1 00:00:02,930 --> 00:00:08,670 Good evening, Flower Mound. The time is 6.30, and I call this meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission to order. 2 00:00:09,790 --> 00:00:12,070 Please rise for the invocation and the pledge. 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this day, and thank you for this town of Flower Mound that we call home. 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:27,900 Thank you for all those who serve and enable this place to be a wonderful place to live, to visit, and to do business. 5 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:32,200 us. We pray, Lord, that you will be with us this evening and grant us discernment. Help 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,500 us to serve our town well. In Christ's name we pray. Amen. 7 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:36,100 Amen. 8 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:45,120 You're Heavenly Father. Excuse me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:52,040 of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,540 with liberty and justice for all. 11 00:00:57,420 --> 00:00:58,360 I have prayer in mind. 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,860 Okay, moving on our agenda, the point D, the purpose of this item is to allow a public 13 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:10,780 and opportunity to address the commission regarding any item on the agenda that is not 14 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:15,400 public hearing, daily operational or administrative matters should first be dealt with by calling 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,660 town hall during business hours. 16 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,240 Do we have anyone that's indicated an interest? 17 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:21,760 Very well. 18 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:27,960 Moving to item E, coordination of calendars, our next two meetings will be held on 19 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:34,520 July 13th and July 27th. If you will not be available, please let Lori Ann know as soon 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:35,100 as possible. 21 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:42,120 Looking at item F, future agenda. Are there any commissioners who have any future 22 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,040 agenda items to bring forward at this time? 23 00:01:48,070 --> 00:01:52,350 Moving along quickly. Item G. We'll now 24 00:01:52,350 --> 00:01:57,750 have a staff report by Lex and Murphy. Thank you, Chair, commissioners. I just wanted 25 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:01,950 to give you an update on a couple of training opportunities that are coming up. Pornima 26 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:07,330 had previously mentioned the elected and appointed officials workshop. That date has gotten changed 27 00:02:07,330 --> 00:02:14,930 again. So now it is going to be August 7th. They have not actually put it on the APAs 28 00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:19,810 calendar yet. So there's no notice of it. We'll let you know as soon as it's posted 29 00:02:19,810 --> 00:02:23,550 in case you want to register for it. But just in case you were – had marked it on 30 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:26,810 your calendar, I wanted to let you know about the change in date. 31 00:02:26,810 --> 00:02:32,410 The second item I wanted to mention is the upcoming Texas APA conference. 32 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:35,310 It's actually going to be in the area this year. 33 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:36,130 It's going to be an Irving. 34 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:41,610 So if the commissioners have any interest in attending that, I want to give you a heads 35 00:02:41,610 --> 00:02:43,670 up on the dates. 36 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:46,890 It's October 14th through the 16th. 37 00:02:46,890 --> 00:02:48,590 You don't have to go to all of it. 38 00:02:48,670 --> 00:02:52,350 There's usually an opportunity to register for just one day or that sort of thing. 39 00:02:52,350 --> 00:02:56,550 So we can send out that link to everybody so you can take a look and 40 00:02:56,550 --> 00:03:00,630 Let us know if it's something that you might be interested in attending 41 00:03:02,330 --> 00:03:08,610 Lexin or the one that's August the 7th. Could you please tell me where that is? 42 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:12,990 They normally have it at the North Richland Hills 43 00:03:13,950 --> 00:03:18,530 City they kind of have a little like conference area there that they rent out for events 44 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:20,950 So it's the city of North Richland Hills 45 00:03:22,350 --> 00:03:31,940 Thank you, mm-hmm and the APA conference you said that's 14 through the 18th. Yes, October 14 through the 16th. They're 16 46 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,660 And it's at the Irving Convention Center at Las Calinas. 47 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Thank you 48 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,900 Moving on to item H on our agenda 49 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,000 This part of the agenda consists of non-controversial or housekeeping items required by law 50 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,920 We have only one item listed and that is the minutes from June 8th 51 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:05,200 If the commissioners have had an opportunity already to review the minutes, do we have 52 00:04:05,770 --> 00:04:06,440 a motion? 53 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:09,340 I move that we accept the minutes as written. 54 00:04:12,660 --> 00:04:12,980 Second. 55 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:15,460 We have a motion and a second. 56 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:17,200 Lorianne, please call the roll. 57 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:19,520 Mr. Baick. 58 00:04:19,780 --> 00:04:20,020 Aye. 59 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,340 Mr. Langley. 60 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:21,820 Aye. 61 00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:22,820 Mr. Gilmour. 62 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,380 Aye. 63 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:24,720 Mr. Jackson. 64 00:04:25,380 --> 00:04:25,640 Aye. 65 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:26,900 Mr. Fitzpatrick. 66 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:27,480 Aye. 67 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:30,140 And that passes. 68 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,500 Item I on the agenda is non-discretionary items. 69 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:38,160 These are items in compliance with all applicable development standards. 70 00:04:38,620 --> 00:04:43,320 They are not requesting waivers, exceptions, or deviations and do not require a public hearing. 71 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:49,720 We'll now open with item I.1 for IP 26-0003. 72 00:04:50,380 --> 00:04:53,040 Cache salons presenting is Cody. 73 00:04:53,980 --> 00:04:55,540 Good evening, Chair and Commissioners. 74 00:04:55,580 --> 00:04:56,420 My name is Cody Hay. 75 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:58,040 I'm a planner with the Planning Department. 76 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,880 and the item before you is the cash station 77 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,120 and lawns site plan. 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,000 So this shows a general location of the property 79 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,140 which is located south of Lakeside Parkway 80 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:08,720 and east of Northwood Drive. 81 00:05:10,220 --> 00:05:12,060 And then this is a more detailed location 82 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:12,660 of the property. 83 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:16,060 So it is master plan for the land use 84 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:17,840 of campus commercial and it is located 85 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:19,960 in the Lakeside Business District Area Plan. 86 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,540 It is on plan development 153 87 00:05:22,540 --> 00:05:24,800 with both non-residential and residential uses. 88 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:28,780 And then this is the site plan in reference to the site pictures. 89 00:05:30,380 --> 00:05:33,240 So this is a site picture looking south towards the property. 90 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:37,400 This is a site picture looking east towards the property. 91 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,240 This is a site picture looking north towards the property. 92 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:44,820 And then this is a site picture looking west towards the property. 93 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,740 And then this is the site plan. 94 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:52,240 So this is lot three block a of the lakeside crossing addition and it is approximately 95 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:58,420 0.647 acres and just to give further background information in December 16th 96 00:05:58,420 --> 00:06:01,440 2024 the town council approved concept plans for this site 97 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:07,280 So this is them coming forward with their site plan project application and to give further background information 98 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:13,140 There is a couple differences between the concept plan and the site plan that is in compliance still with those concept plans 99 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:19,860 One of the major changes was the original building was two stories and now the building 100 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:21,780 is one story on the site plan. 101 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:28,380 That means the square foot has dropped from 13,580 square feet to now 7,160 square feet. 102 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:34,280 That also means the parking demand dropped from 54 parking spaces to 29 parking spaces. 103 00:06:34,740 --> 00:06:40,160 So now on site there will be 20 parking spaces and nine spaces offered off site through 104 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:46,660 lakeside crossing parking agreement that they have. And then they also did a mixed use table. 105 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:50,800 If you all remember at the time they did a parking analysis that was mixed use for the site. 106 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,680 And then access to the site will be through mutual access easements that connect back to 107 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Northwood Drive and the adjacent properties. And then this is the landscape plan which 108 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,880 is comprised with that parking area landscaping and enhanced landscaping. 109 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,540 I did want to also point out that they updated their landscape plan to meet our 110 00:07:08,540 --> 00:07:11,640 tree by diversity requirements that's in the newer code. 111 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,040 And then also as a 112 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 reminder to the applicant, the applicant is aware of the requirement to 113 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,740 install improvements depicted on the concept lighting plan that was approved 114 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:27,300 when the ordinance went forward for lot 8-6 prior to the issuance of a 115 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,500 certificate of occupancy for the third building within the Lakeside 116 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:34,060 Crossing development. So that means whatever third building is next 117 00:07:34,060 --> 00:07:37,560 installed they will have to install those lot 8-6 improvements from that 118 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,140 concept plan. 119 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:43,660 And then this is the elevation plan, which is in compliance with that concept 120 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:48,720 elevation plan. Again, it is just now one story, which is why it's a little bit different 121 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,740 but still in compliance with the concept plan. It utilizes a combination of primarily stucco, 122 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:58,020 brick and composite aluminum wood panels and colors complying with the Towns Urban 123 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:04,840 Design Plan and PD 153 standards. And they are also still doing the, it's not 124 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,840 IV the plants on the north facade and 125 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,340 then this is the application matrix so 126 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:17,380 this is a site plan with no exception so the final decision-making body will be 127 00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:22,020 the planning and zoning commission tonight and that is the end of my 128 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:25,640 presentation if you have any questions for me please feel free to ask the 129 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,740 applicant is here tonight if you have any questions but they do not have a 130 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:30,220 presentation any 131 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,240 questions for staff pretty 132 00:08:37,410 --> 00:08:39,450 straightforward and any questions 133 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:40,350 for our app. 134 00:08:43,370 --> 00:08:48,930 All right, very good. We'll go ahead and move then into commission deliberation thoughts considerations. 135 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:53,090 Oh, no, I'm excited about that greenery on that wall. 136 00:08:54,490 --> 00:08:55,770 I'm on too lately. 137 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,940 I think that, as you mentioned, it's pretty, pretty straightforward, clean design, compliments the area. 138 00:09:09,140 --> 00:09:14,560 And they updated the landscaping requirements to match the new code. I think, thank you. I think it's great. 139 00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:15,300 Okay. 140 00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:22,100 which case would any commissioner like to make a motion I'll make a motion to 141 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:32,150 approve item I as presented second so we have a motion and a second to approve 142 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:38,850 item I one or an you want to call the roll Mr. Fitzpatrick aye mr. Jackson 143 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:44,410 aye mr. Gilmore aye mr. Langley aye mr. Beck aye 144 00:09:45,430 --> 00:09:52,410 Very good. Motion passes. At this point, we'll move on to our regular items. This is agenda item J. 145 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:58,490 Typically, the commission will make a recommendation to the town council on projects listed in this section of the agenda. 146 00:09:59,270 --> 00:10:02,930 The public hearing is required. It will be noted in the item caption. 147 00:10:04,030 --> 00:10:10,290 If you wish to speak on item J1, which is a public hearing item and you have not already done so, please fill out a green comment card. 148 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:21,850 and we will now open item J.1 for LDR 26-0001 time-base sharing parking and presenting his neck. 149 00:10:22,450 --> 00:10:29,810 All right. Good evening, Chair and Commissioners. Tonight I'll be presenting our land development 150 00:10:29,810 --> 00:10:36,150 regulation on time-base shared parking. So just a quick overview. Really, we're here to 151 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:42,710 discuss just chapter 82 amendments and adding time-based year parking to this. 152 00:10:43,070 --> 00:10:49,390 Originally we did have chapter 98 in there for some definition updates but we 153 00:10:49,390 --> 00:10:57,870 decided to forego those. So I'll go over kind of our methodology, how we got 154 00:10:57,870 --> 00:11:03,090 where we are, why we're doing it, and kind of what our current code also says 155 00:11:03,090 --> 00:11:09,590 regarding any kind of reductions in parking that you can use. 156 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,280 So what is shared parking? 157 00:11:13,580 --> 00:11:18,620 So this is the use of parking spaces to serve two or more land uses 158 00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:23,300 within a development that are compatible based off their peak times 159 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:28,980 throughout a day, weekday, morning, afternoon, evening or the weekend 160 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:32,100 and any combination of that. 161 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:41,640 So the idea behind shared parking is to provide that balance of parking and to not oversupply 162 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,040 any kind of parking area. 163 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:52,240 And that would generally be based off of our adopted parking minimum requirements, which 164 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,940 those are basically assumed to be at peak 100% capacity at all times. 165 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:06,800 So the idea here is to have compatible weighing uses 166 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,880 that don't need to be always 100% and they can all come. 167 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:17,230 So what does our current code say? 168 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:22,330 Currently, the only method we have to reduce parking 169 00:12:22,330 --> 00:12:26,150 in the code for developers is deviation of 20%, 170 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:26,930 and that's the cap. 171 00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:31,070 If you go beyond that, or increasing or decreasing 172 00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:32,310 beyond 20%. 173 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:36,090 And in this case, we're looking at the decreasing of parking. 174 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:41,030 You would still need an independent shared parking study and then town council approval 175 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:43,510 upon recommendation from this commission. 176 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:53,150 And current parking supply that we have today is based off of national parking requirements 177 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:58,610 generated from the parking generation manual from 20 years ago. 178 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:05,410 So like I said in the previous slide, they spend 100% capacity at all times a day. 179 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:09,070 And generally that's just not true for all land uses. 180 00:13:09,830 --> 00:13:15,090 So there's a good portion of parking that just sits empty for 181 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:19,560 several times throughout 182 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:19,900 the week. 183 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:26,240 And then generally, our shared parking is only found in mixed use and plain development. 184 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,880 So the idea with adopting this code is to open that up to really anyone to be able to 185 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,860 use that before we're proposing here tonight. 186 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:44,620 Reminder that we do have shared parking within the town already through some of our mixed 187 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:48,140 use developments like Lakeside and Riverwalk and Verge Ranch. 188 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,460 And they use a table that is going to be similar to what we're proposing here tonight. 189 00:13:57,490 --> 00:14:00,510 So why are we adopting shared parking? 190 00:14:00,510 --> 00:14:09,190 And this came from a objective from the strategic plan that was adopted by Council in the fiscal year 2025, 191 00:14:10,390 --> 00:14:19,570 which they identified commercial parking code revisions that would incentivize reducing the amount of parking and development 192 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:27,630 and potentially increasing opportunities to have more open space or landscape based off of that. 193 00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:35,170 And secondly, the idea here is to remove any barriers in our current code, as we discussed 194 00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:36,210 in the previous slide, 195 00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:42,740 without having to provide a part of study or any new zoning. 196 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,700 Some other benefits that are listed in these next four bullet points are obviously to reduce 197 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:58,520 the cost of building part of spaces that can be pretty expensive, depending on where 198 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,980 it is, what you're doing with the part. 199 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,280 How much parking we really would need to provide. 200 00:15:05,220 --> 00:15:11,420 And then, secondly, reduce the heat island effect, reducing the amount of impervious pavement, 201 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:17,600 and then reducing stormwater runoff. And then, again, more opportunities for landscaping. 202 00:15:20,250 --> 00:15:28,910 So with the study that we did for the shared parking, we used the shared parking manual. 203 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:30,490 It's the third edition that was 204 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:37,420 written in 2020 or published in 2020. 205 00:15:39,140 --> 00:15:49,560 This is a national index of parking for tons of different uses on different times of days 206 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,540 and peak hours and whatnot and even monthly adjustments. 207 00:15:55,780 --> 00:16:05,540 So within that manual, there's certain recommendations for cities or anyone that's looking to adopt 208 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:07,220 shared parking within their development. 209 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:13,320 And one of those is, well, you need to do your own study and have some more localized 210 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:13,780 data. 211 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:17,200 So that's what we set out to do. 212 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:28,640 I'll get to that later, but our data is going to be a little bit different than what's on 213 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:38,580 the national scale with how people move around and shop or eat or any other uses that we might 214 00:16:38,580 --> 00:16:44,600 have that attract customers or other people, even around the region. 215 00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:54,300 And then another recommendation that comes out of that is designing for what they call 216 00:16:54,300 --> 00:17:02,200 the design day and design hour, which is within shared parking, uses the 85th percentile 217 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,060 of the peak hour of observation for any recommended parking 218 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:10,820 ratios that they have in their book. 219 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:16,980 And that's similar to what traffic designers use, 220 00:17:17,140 --> 00:17:19,400 traffic engineers, when they're designing roads. 221 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:23,480 They're not designing full capacity all the time. 222 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,180 Also, we just have overbill highways and roads everywhere. 223 00:17:28,180 --> 00:17:33,500 So same principle, parking, we don't want to go overboard if we don't need to. 224 00:17:39,050 --> 00:17:41,850 So what kind of data did we observe? 225 00:17:42,550 --> 00:17:46,310 We've got five different years of data starting from 2022, 226 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,660 and that's through just hand count observations and using our near map aerials, 227 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:01,160 which are high resolution aerials that give us specific times of the day 228 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:08,380 and a month and a day as well so we can really dial in on areas and in the past 229 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:13,540 that we might have not been able to count based off of that. And then we've got all 230 00:18:13,540 --> 00:18:15,640 months of the year, 108 different days, 231 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:20,220 kind of weekdays, weekends, morning, 232 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,980 afternoon, evenings. The only exception is nighttime which I'll get to that 233 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:32,740 later too. But over the course of these five different years, there were 450 different observations. 234 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:41,940 We had 120 different sites and then 280 visits. That was the hang count visits and over 36,000 235 00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:48,580 cars. And within that, there are 17 different land uses that we did observe. Those land 236 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:53,560 and uses are based off our own parking code table 237 00:18:54,260 --> 00:18:55,360 that's defined in there 238 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:56,960 and also the parking generation manual. 239 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,860 They break it down into tons of different uses. 240 00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:05,220 So with that, these are the land use categories 241 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:09,080 that we did come up with in the proposed shape parking table. 242 00:19:09,980 --> 00:19:11,580 You can see we got hotel, 243 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:15,160 which includes both business and leisure type hotels. 244 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,940 hotels. Just know we really only observe business hotels. That's really all we have here. There 245 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:29,320 are some recreational type hotels around, but for the purposes of FireMound, we really stuck 246 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,520 to the business side of it. 247 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,540 And then the office, we have, of course, our general office. 248 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,740 That could be your office parks, our Class A office that we just got, and then any 249 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:50,520 any other office variety, we have medical office as well, and then banks are considered 250 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:51,500 within this category. 251 00:19:53,620 --> 00:19:57,900 In a restaurant, we of course have our casual family restaurants, and we also have our fine 252 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:02,720 dining and destination restaurants, and then any fast food type restaurants. 253 00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:10,170 And then of course retail, we have our shopping and ship centers, any personal service 254 00:20:10,170 --> 00:20:14,610 this type, establishments, pharmacies, home improvement 255 00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:15,330 garden stores. 256 00:20:16,910 --> 00:20:17,990 And then entertainment recreational. 257 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:22,210 We have our theaters and any indoor outdoor amusement 258 00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:24,030 and assembly hall event centers. 259 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:28,930 Health club under that umbrella is the health fitness club 260 00:20:28,930 --> 00:20:31,390 math club clubs, recreational community centers. 261 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:37,970 So with that, this is the distribution of the counts 262 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:41,230 are the sites that we counted within those categories. 263 00:20:42,370 --> 00:20:48,410 We counted 41 hotels, 72 office, 117 restaurants, 264 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:53,130 151 retail, 45 entertainment, recreational, 265 00:20:53,550 --> 00:20:55,870 and then 29 health club or athletic club. 266 00:20:56,590 --> 00:21:00,330 And they could be the same site within those categories, 267 00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:04,450 too, we revisited just to see if there are people. 268 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:05,290 So 269 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,620 how did we find this demand in the first place? 270 00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:24,000 So what we did first when we were going out and counting these cars is we counted any car 271 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,100 that was actually sitting within the site and then counted the parking spaces that were 272 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:37,660 also provided and made sure that they were actually lining up with what an approved site 273 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:43,000 plan that we had on file was and then from there we would divide that number of cars 274 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,860 by the number of spaces and get an observed occupancy rate. 275 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:56,280 From there we adjusted those values based off of any parking deviations that we had 276 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:03,160 on file and then any vacancy rate that was known at that time. 277 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:13,600 Generally, our vacancy rates sit around 5% on average for any office or retail, but we 278 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,940 did adjust it for some sites that might be more vacant than that if we had that on file 279 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:19,820 with our economic development. 280 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:28,820 Then, hotel rates generally sit at a 20% vacancy at just kind of an overall yearly 281 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:29,240 rate. 282 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:35,560 So, we were actually able to obtain that from our hotels that we have here, and for our 283 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:35,740 amount. 284 00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:42,880 And then, yeah, of course, the parking deviation, that's just, if it was over the 20 percent 285 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:54,560 or over just the maximum requirement, then we would plug that in as well to adjust the 286 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,760 rate to a more common 287 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:00,590 basis, basically. 288 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:05,450 And then from there, we would normalize that rate. 289 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:12,170 So whatever adjusted rate we found, or even the observed rate, we kind of used both. 290 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:20,070 We would divide that rate by the peak rate that was either observed or adjusted from 291 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:20,270 it. 292 00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:25,650 So that would help us find a hired man, basically. 293 00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:30,350 And then from there, we could filter and find that 85th percentile. 294 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:40,990 So how we did that is filtering, again, by each day in a category of weekday or weekends. 295 00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:45,250 And so Monday through Friday, weekday, weekends are Saturday, Sunday. 296 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:51,610 Like with the exception of Fridays after five, we counted that as a week in the evening. 297 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:59,230 We've found quite a bit of peak observations after that, and then the shared parking manual 298 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:02,530 also has that recommendation within there as well. 299 00:24:02,670 --> 00:24:05,510 So we're kind of taking their form as well. 300 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:12,750 And then we also filtered by the time of day from each of those into morning, afternoon, 301 00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:14,790 evening, and nighttime. 302 00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:19,490 So with that nighttime data, we did not observe that. 303 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:24,310 They're just, that's our Herculean Tusk. 304 00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:28,690 So what we used was the shared parking manual. 305 00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:32,230 They don't really have nighttime data either, 306 00:24:32,530 --> 00:24:35,190 but they do have hour late periods. 307 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:37,370 So we were able to see, you know, 308 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:40,270 what it is kind of leading up to midnight 309 00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:42,590 and right after six. 310 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:46,430 And then I showed you those shared use tables 311 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:50,330 from our other developments, Riverwalk and Lakeside and Perch Ranch. 312 00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:56,450 So we kind of based it off of what they had there, just did not kind of rock the boat or anything like that. 313 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:04,080 And then filtered those land uses into park categories like I showed you earlier. 314 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:13,540 And then we were able from there compare our observed data to the shared parking manual and the parking generation manual as well. 315 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:19,040 and see how they compare to each other on a national scale 316 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,060 and then create a weighted scale based off of that. 317 00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:29,750 So the more observations we had in category, 318 00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:31,570 the more it was weighted toward applied 319 00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:34,290 data. 320 00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:38,030 If we didn't have as many observations as we'd like in one category, 321 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:42,210 a heavier weight was assigned to a more national index level, 322 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:44,890 just to kind of balance that out a bit 323 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:50,120 and then go with recommended best practices. 324 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,960 So before I show the proposed table, 325 00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:01,580 I was gonna go over some effects on parking. 326 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:06,320 This is just in general more speculative 327 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:10,040 because it's really impossible to capture this 328 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,360 when you are looking at parking, 329 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:15,640 but they are things that do tend to change 330 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,380 how 331 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:26,410 parking is, our parking demand is really affected so of course we've got 332 00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:30,570 workplace changes in the past five years we've seen increases in work from home 333 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:37,430 so that has a big effect on office and then and of course hybrid work so maybe 334 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:41,690 you have people working remote one day and they come in the office next that 335 00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:49,370 really affects what those peak demands look like throughout the week and then 336 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:55,010 of course we have general market shifts and e-commerce and shared parking 337 00:26:55,010 --> 00:27:03,970 manual recognize that a little bit before before it's really it's really 338 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:08,870 peaked in the past several years but they saw the rise in that so they 339 00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:15,070 recognize that some parking may be affected by that even, you know, five years ago and 340 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:23,210 still is to this day. So that just changes the whole demand situation there as well. 341 00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:29,830 And so there's some other changes in here I've listed. Captive parking is one thing 342 00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:35,790 that's how long someone stays out of sight. Depending on the mixture of juices, people 343 00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:40,610 might stay longer in certain areas than others versus a hop-in hop-out. 344 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:44,530 That really changes what that demand looks like. 345 00:27:44,670 --> 00:27:52,720 If people are staying at a restaurant longer, well, you might say, I should need more parking 346 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,900 here just because people are staying longer and having a more enjoyable experience or 347 00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:59,260 they do things afterward that are taking up the space. 348 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:07,240 But the idea is that when you have all these uses together and aggregate, we're saying 349 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:15,140 that, you know, these percentages will actually equal out, sort of, that development well. 350 00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:22,570 Yeah, there's some other ones in here by sharing, by telling that that's affected some 351 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,890 hotel data in the past several years, too. 352 00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:33,290 So just things to be aware of, but it's not really anything we can measure accurately 353 00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:36,990 out of direct basis. 354 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:42,950 So this is the proposed table for the shared parking requirements. 355 00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:52,510 I've highlighted kind of the peak times that we did find for several uses in that bold black text. 356 00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:54,010 What 357 00:28:57,620 --> 00:29:03,600 we're showing here, you know, a hotel in the morning, very high peak there. 358 00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:07,960 This is very in line with the shared parking manual. 359 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,560 And then weekend mornings, weekend evenings. 360 00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:13,740 And offices, of course, peak around weekday. 361 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,700 We do have a few offices that are open on the weekend, but they're usually in the morning. 362 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:27,740 so there's some occupancy there and then restaurants of course in the 363 00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:33,480 evening for both weekday and weekend are are pretty high and of course yeah we 364 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,160 have 100% there in the restaurant on the weekend and then retail during the week 365 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:46,240 day in the afternoon the rate of 70% and then surprisingly in the morning it's 366 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,300 very high on the weekend of 367 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,240 course our entertainment recreational that peaks 368 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,800 a lot more on the weekend afternoons and even higher in the evening and then 369 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:08,380 Our health clubs or athletic clubs, they also have high peaks in the weekday and weekend morning, 370 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:16,740 even higher weekday evening activity. So this is kind of how it looks on a crazy chart here. 371 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,800 You can see how it all shifts around and flows. 372 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,860 These uses are not always at 100% of the time, 373 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:35,640 So, really, when our current code is kind of over-designing in some ways, and the shared 374 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,140 parking allows us to reduce that, should someone want to choose this. 375 00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:45,640 So I was going to go through an example. 376 00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:53,400 This is the model we used to kind of help us identify what the best table we could 377 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,360 use and the best uses to include and, yeah, the different times of the day and weekend 378 00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:59,780 activity. 379 00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:05,140 We had four different ones, I was using, studying, 380 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,540 so this is what we found to be the best for firemen. 381 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,320 So you would first calculate at any site, 382 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,020 if you know what all your uses are gonna be, 383 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,100 and generally the square footage 384 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,560 and how many seats you're gonna provide 385 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,000 for anything or any room counts, 386 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,280 you're gonna calculate it as normal. 387 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:37,720 So in this example, we've got several different uses, hotel, office, restaurant, retail, theater, 388 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,920 any medical office, gym, recreation, stuff. 389 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,720 So that's something about to be the required minimum parking of 1,328. 390 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:57,160 And you can see on the bottom right table there, we've aggregated each of those individual uses of the required parking. 391 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,660 So you would sum all those together. 392 00:31:59,260 --> 00:32:02,420 This is how a developer would essentially use this. 393 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,500 And so each use has their total required parking with them. 394 00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:13,920 Step three, we would multiply each percentage 395 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,120 and I call them by that total required parking 396 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,600 from that land use that was in that proposed table. 397 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:24,440 The previous slide, so you can see here 398 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:28,180 in the hotel category, we've got each percentage 399 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,540 which reached time of the day, and we day and weekend, 400 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,360 and multiplying that at 200, 401 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,600 that's normally required under our minimum parking standards, 402 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,860 and then so on and so forth. 403 00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:43,590 Basically, at the end, once you're done 404 00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:47,430 calculating all that, the highest number 405 00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:54,590 in the column is gonna be your shared parking requirement. 406 00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:58,490 So in this case, the weekday afternoon 407 00:32:58,490 --> 00:33:05,310 is the highest peak demand in this model of 918 parking spaces, 408 00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:11,650 which is a reduction of 410 from that normally 1,328. 409 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:13,110 That would be required by the code. 410 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:15,510 And that's beyond that 20% now, 411 00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:20,330 and they don't have to do a study or anything like that 412 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:21,590 to get to this point. 413 00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:25,530 Using our table, they can get this 31% reduction. 414 00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:38,840 This is just kind of how it looks like on a bar chart, what you can see compared to all 415 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,340 the other uses, just at a glance, a little bit better than numbers. 416 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:49,600 So you can see here, of course, the weekday afternoon is the peak, but even weekday morning 417 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,340 could have been pretty substantial, but in the specific scenario, you would design for 418 00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:55,520 that. 419 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:56,060 Yeah. 420 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,500 So what are we actually proposing tonight? 421 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:11,530 We're going to be posing amendments to section 82-73, which is how we compute parking. 422 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:21,090 Essentially, we're just saying that jade parking is allowed within our code to be able to reduce 423 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:25,970 parking requirements, run off P diamond effect in a number of these areas. 424 00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:36,570 And so, with that, we're proposing this new section of 82-84, which is, you know, shared 425 00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:42,670 parking is not required, but if you are to use this, then you must have a site that 426 00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:48,070 contains two or more different land uses that are listed in that proposed shared parking 427 00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:48,450 table. 428 00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:56,750 And then they must be located in the same development or subdivision as specified in the 429 00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:57,590 period of time document. 430 00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:04,810 So that would be a PD-exuse development or any other document that's approved by the 431 00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:05,050 time. 432 00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:11,970 In addition, we would require a shared parking agreement between all parties that are within 433 00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:16,030 that development, any owners or any vested interests, basically. 434 00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:25,150 And then the town would be made party to that, and we would essentially have that on file 435 00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:30,610 or it would be recorded in the local county, so either Denver, Tarrant, wherever the development 436 00:35:30,610 --> 00:35:31,010 is at. 437 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,180 Any change in use would be, of course, reassessed and then tamed approval, this could be done 438 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:45,240 either at an administrative level or it could reach even to this commission and counsel 439 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:54,400 just depending on change occurs. If there's any substantial change or not, this 440 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000 is standard protocol that we have currently. 441 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:01,620 And of course this may reduce 442 00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:05,100 parking by more than 20% and that you wouldn't have to 443 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,900 trusting the data 444 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:19,700 that we have found here. And then for any special projects, there's a copy I 445 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:23,620 I hear that you can use your own shared parking 446 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:26,200 study if you want to be on this. 447 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:29,780 I think what we found is pretty good. 448 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,480 But it is there just in case someone 449 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,840 has maybe a different project that they think 450 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,780 is going to have a higher demand than what's shown in our tape. 451 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:48,260 And then again, this is the table in the second look here. 452 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,160 And with that, that's my presentation on a shared 453 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,320 any questions you all may have? 454 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,460 Okay, I have a question. 455 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,100 Sure. 456 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,520 First, I think this is a wonderful proposal. 457 00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:05,720 The amendments are awesome. 458 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,140 I just think it's a win-win for the town, for developers, 459 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:10,860 just the residents, for everybody. 460 00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:12,240 So this is fabulous. 461 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:15,860 I just had one question as I read through the packet, 462 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,540 and that was, if you talk about having two different kinds 463 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:26,540 of businesses using the shared parking. What if you've got two restaurants and 464 00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:31,240 one has, does only breakfast service, breakfast and lunch, and the other is only 465 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:38,060 evening dining? Is that something that there's an accommodation for? So it's, 466 00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:44,680 they would technically both be in that broad restaurant category. So yeah, they 467 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,340 would need another use within their development, retail or office. So you 468 00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:54,520 wouldn't consider no they would just they have to they would just probably use 469 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,460 our current code to reduce their parking they would really need to have more 470 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:05,400 use this to counteract any reduction in parking essentially the table that's 471 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:17,520 proposed accounts for that already what that breakfast peak time is and then you 472 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,220 100% on the weekend evening, so they would just be designed to that normal rate that 473 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:24,040 we already have. 474 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:24,920 Okay. 475 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,000 All right. 476 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,420 Thanks. 477 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:27,200 Thanks. 478 00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:29,520 Yeah, but great presentation and I love it. 479 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,200 Thank you. 480 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,620 Thank you. 481 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,080 Just to provide a little bit more information about that question, about the restaurants. 482 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,480 Part of the reason why we wouldn't do that also is because we couldn't really 483 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,300 hold the restaurant to that. 484 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,860 Like if one said, oh, I'm only going to serve breakfast, so I'm only going to 485 00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:50,120 be open for these hours, but they could then extend their hours whenever they wanted to 486 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,420 and we wouldn't know and have the ability to stop them. 487 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:58,960 So just because of that, you know, like Nick said, I think it would make sense to just 488 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,980 consider them all the same as restaurant. 489 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:01,620 Great. 490 00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:02,280 Thank you. 491 00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:05,640 I think this is wonderful as well. 492 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,780 And I think I know the answer to this question, I'm going to ask it anyway, but I don't 493 00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:14,580 I think this would apply to the CAAC renovation 494 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,200 or any future town parks because the land use, 495 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,640 there's one land use, is that right? 496 00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:23,400 Yeah, we didn't, I'm sure if any public, 497 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:25,820 is anything. 498 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,520 This is all private, okay. 499 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640 Nick, can you go back to, I think it's slide 22? 500 00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:34,290 Sure. 501 00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:34,950 There we go. 502 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:38,070 So obviously you're gonna use the matrix, 503 00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,390 that proposed table whenever you're considering 504 00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:45,330 how parking might more efficiently be used under this. 505 00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:49,330 One of the things I'm a little bit concerned about, 506 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:54,370 we know that the two different land uses must be located 507 00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:56,050 in the same development or subdivision. 508 00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:59,910 To me, there's a kind of a geographical limitation 509 00:39:59,910 --> 00:40:03,070 to where it would no longer make sense to be applying this. 510 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:06,730 We could be in the same subdivision, 511 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:10,170 but I'm not going to park three blocks down 512 00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:15,390 and walk all the way to you know the retail store I want to go into and if I 513 00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:19,010 look at you know some of the larger complexes where we may have a hotel have 514 00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:22,790 a few restaurants and some retail it seems there needs to be some kind of a 515 00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:26,670 geographical containment that's a little bit more specific than saying the 516 00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:32,010 same subdivision just based upon the logic of how far wouldn't people 517 00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:37,310 normally be wanting or willing to readily park and walk to get to their 518 00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:44,450 destination. Yeah, that's a very good point. It is something we did consider 519 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:49,550 when we were first going through this exercise, but we can certainly take a 520 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:55,010 look at it again, because I know our current mix use developments, like a 521 00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:59,870 Riverwog Lakeside, they I think they do have a stability relation in there that 522 00:40:59,870 --> 00:41:05,630 parking has got to be within so many feet of the front entrance or something 523 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:11,850 to that effect because yeah within a mixed use development yeah it's obviously walkable 524 00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:19,590 but no one needs to walk too far either especially in Texas heat so I would I would encourage 525 00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:23,650 a little bit of thought in terms of adding a little bit of specificity there yeah we can 526 00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:28,690 certainly look into town council yeah but I agree with the other members of commission 527 00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:32,430 here I think that you know the objective and the strategic plan even identifying this 528 00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:37,770 is one of our objectives makes a lot of sense. We don't want to over build parking and I 529 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:41,150 think we're all in favor of having as much green space with all the benefits that come 530 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:47,770 with that as possible. I did appreciate that the analysis seemed to go into a fair amount 531 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:53,450 of detail looking at the specific different land uses and the implications there as 532 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:57,170 well as the different time periods that might be implied. I'm just concerned about 533 00:41:57,170 --> 00:42:01,490 the geographical distancing when you're looking at those combined land uses in 534 00:42:01,490 --> 00:42:06,230 particular area. Sure. Yeah, we'll make note of that. 535 00:42:08,890 --> 00:42:10,430 So one other thing to think 536 00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:13,930 about with that and as Nick said we can definitely look at that and see if 537 00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:18,870 there's any additional language we can put in but it's a little bit different 538 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:23,670 with this time-based shared parking than how we would normally look at this 539 00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:28,690 with shared parking because usually what we say it's shared parking it's 540 00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:33,390 basically how we would typically do it is one business is saying okay I'm 541 00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:37,670 going to let you count these seven spaces on my lot toward your parking. And so we want 542 00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:42,090 them to be very close. We say they have to be next door because it doesn't make sense 543 00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:47,290 to be like, oh, I'm down the street, but you're going to do that. But in this time-based 544 00:42:47,290 --> 00:42:53,050 shared parking, it's a little bit different because they're truly all sharing the spaces. 545 00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:58,310 So you could have kind of three businesses. And so, well, this one's kind of far from 546 00:42:58,310 --> 00:43:03,510 this one, but somebody may be parking at the middle one or this one or it's like they're 547 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:09,450 all it's more fluid. It's more fluid. All the spaces are counting for all of the businesses 548 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:15,090 because it just depends on the time of day where they could be sharing them. So it's 549 00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:20,190 just a little bit different than doing the straight like, oh, must be within 500 feet 550 00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:25,570 or something. But maybe there's something we can look at to say kind of everything 551 00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:30,330 thing must be within some sort of range? I don't know. Nick can take a look at that and 552 00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:34,430 see if he has any recommendations. Along the same lines, there's also the 553 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:38,230 issue, you know, geographically, if you look at an area, you could have something that has 554 00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:42,150 much a higher density, you know, on this table for use, and it's on the far right 555 00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:46,950 side of the complex. So you could skew the results in terms of the parking needed 556 00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:50,870 on the far left side, you know, four retail stores down or something like that. 557 00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:54,950 And I don't mean to be pouring cold water on this. 558 00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:56,170 I think this is a great initiative. 559 00:43:56,650 --> 00:44:00,290 I just think there's a little bit of nuance that needs to probably be given to it. 560 00:44:01,090 --> 00:44:03,110 And along that, I've got one other question. 561 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:08,330 And you touched on this slightly on this particular page towards the bottom. 562 00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:13,790 And that is, if we have changes in tenants, that could have an implication, obviously, 563 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:15,310 in terms of parking. 564 00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:19,190 And then where does responsibility, if it's determined additional parking, 565 00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:23,310 parking is required because of change in tenants. Who has a responsibility for that? 566 00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:31,610 Right, yeah. They would, if we do have a change in tenant or use, they would come back to 567 00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:39,090 at a staff level be looking at that to see if it's still able to meet a parking account 568 00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:41,630 that is available on site or not. 569 00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:47,450 Yeah, they could get a more intense use in there. 570 00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:52,790 and at that point they might have to come back to this commission or council to 571 00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:59,890 get any approval if they needed to add parking spaces. Hope that's not the case. 572 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,100 But that is something that could very well happen. 573 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:09,560 So that would involve basic, like you going out and doing another study at, like, kind of 574 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:09,720 would you? 575 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:15,520 No, we wouldn't have to do another study like this. We would just use our current. If this 576 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,900 is adopted, we would use that table and see what that, those ratios come out to, or that 577 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:29,980 new parking, a minimal would be. It might not affect it, and we never know. Some of 578 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,000 models re-randed. This one happened to be, you know, a weekday afternoon. Some of them 579 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,740 went to the evening time slot. So it's just, it really depends on all the other uses that 580 00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:47,380 are there on that site, too. So it's just something at a staff level we'd have to look 581 00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:51,140 into first and if it happens to be anything substantial. Well, 582 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:55,760 got my seat. And of course 583 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,800 the shared parking agreement between everyone that has to be filed. That's something 584 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,800 that holds everyone accountable to use this respectfully. 585 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,540 So this is one of the questions I had too when I was looking at the packet. 586 00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:19,960 So trying to think administratively, so one tenant moves out, another one moves in, but 587 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,060 they're the same type, similar type of businesses, so they're, you know, with office or whatever 588 00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:23,600 it's going to be. 589 00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:29,400 So how do you, I mean, do you actually have to go and have the new tenant then sign 590 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,900 a shared parking agreement or does just is that part of like when the business 591 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,560 transitions over the shared parking agreements tied to that particular 592 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,440 business address or something? How does that work? That's so the agreements can be 593 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,800 tied to that development, that site. That's all the town would look at. Okay. 594 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:54,600 There might be other private contracts or easements or yeah or any other 595 00:46:55,660 --> 00:47:00,500 additional degrestrictions or covenants that that would run with the land so 596 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:05,200 the property that we wouldn't look at but so the property manager would basically 597 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:11,580 handle on that what would well they would notify them that this development 598 00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:17,580 is under these rules basically so going back to some of their previous 599 00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:21,900 comments as well I mean we've had a lot of parking discussions in the past over 600 00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:25,660 different developments and different things going on and I've always been in 601 00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:29,440 the back of my head trying to do the math and what you guys did here so I 602 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,420 think the methodology that you guys have is you guys put together and the 603 00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:36,060 studies you did was absolutely phenomenal and I love it. I'm just 604 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:39,620 curious and it's more out of morbid curiosity than anything else specifically 605 00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:43,700 since the guidelines were published in 2020. What the results of your study 606 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:48,220 that you guys did, how close were you to what the what the book had said? 607 00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:55,140 Right, that's a great question, here I can go back to our table here. 608 00:47:59,670 --> 00:48:10,010 So our observed rates were, the national index did overestimate on several of them, but overall 609 00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:17,870 since we did calibrate them, we were able to get them to a good spot that was both 610 00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:24,610 in favor of firemen and of course with the National Index. The hotel, those 611 00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:31,690 actually are very much in line with the manuals recommendation. And the office 612 00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:39,750 on the weekday, it's a little different on the weekend, but just the types of 613 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:44,280 uses that we have are not as intense on the weekend with the shared parking 614 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:55,060 manual recommends. Our restaurant, the weekday, during the morning and afternoon, is a little 615 00:48:55,060 --> 00:49:04,520 bit lower, but our evenings are spot on, actually even more. And then the weekend is, 616 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,120 yeah, the 617 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:12,760 National Index kind of tends to overestimate that, too. But the real one that I did see 618 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:20,620 was our retail. That one is very different. Just our demand during the day 619 00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:27,020 doesn't peak very high. The most I saw was I didn't even see it peak at a hundred 620 00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:33,560 percent. So gosh, I'm trying to think off the top of my head what that was. But 621 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,780 it didn't come close to where our shared parking is. I know we have a lot 622 00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:49,300 a lot of retail. But I think a lot of it might be oversupplied. So that's something that's 623 00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:57,380 definitely different. And then entertainment, that very much follows. It's a little bit less 624 00:49:57,820 --> 00:50:06,280 on the afternoon and evening, but not by much there. And then health athletics. That one 625 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,220 One was a weird one. 626 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,760 Ours is very different. I think ours has actually been more from what 627 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:21,160 I recall. The morning is very high, and so is the evening. And then surprisingly the 628 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:29,470 weekend morning. Of course in the afternoons it tends to do it, but as well after the 629 00:50:29,470 --> 00:50:35,230 morning. But yeah, it's very different depending on what you're looking at. 630 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:38,910 Yeah, interesting to see too. I mean after five or six years and then obviously after 631 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:42,850 COVID and all the changes that have taken place there as well. So it's interesting to see that 632 00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:46,430 we're relatively in line. But I love what you guys did with this and I really thank you. 633 00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:53,210 Are there any other questions? 634 00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:01,760 This is a public hearing and we have anyone 635 00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:06,920 indicated an interest in making comments. If not, we'll close the public hearing. 636 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,460 And with that closed, does the commission have any other questions for staff or we can move 637 00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:19,140 straight into deliberation. Any comments? Other considerations? 638 00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:24,660 I just wanted you to pull up the very last slide, the one before the question. There's 639 00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:28,780 a big question mark and then whatever the last one, just so I can, okay, there we go, just 640 00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:31,240 so we can have that up while we're talking, if we need it. 641 00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:40,530 My sense from some of the comments we've already made is that we all agree with both 642 00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:44,610 the objective of this as well as appreciate the analysis that went into it. 643 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:45,610 Oh my gosh, yes. 644 00:51:45,610 --> 00:51:50,590 Commissioner Jackson points out a good chart because I think that summarizes everything we heard 645 00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:55,490 Well, and I love it because we want to be this is win-win for everybody 646 00:51:55,490 --> 00:52:02,750 It's win for businesses that either are here or we coming here. It's win for the environment. It's win for the cost of 647 00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:05,330 Putting all this stuff together. I mean, it's 648 00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:08,430 Heat Island all the things that we're always 649 00:52:09,330 --> 00:52:14,270 dealing with, I think it's as win-win as it could be. I really appreciate this, 650 00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:18,730 very much. I think a lot of people who want to, you know, build businesses and 651 00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:22,890 stuff here, that's a big challenge that they have. So it's business-friendly and 652 00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:30,310 environmental-friendly. Come on. So assuming that we have a motion here to 653 00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:35,890 recommend approval, I don't think it would be necessary for us to specify 654 00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:40,130 within that that we would like the staff to take a little closer look at a couple 655 00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:43,350 of items that we did mention from kind of an administrative perspective. 656 00:52:44,110 --> 00:52:49,530 Well you certainly can't suggest that as part of the motion but it wouldn't be 657 00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:54,030 contingent on that. You'll need to have a straight up or down vote on ordinance 658 00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:57,810 unless you want to bring it back at a later date to have them add. 659 00:52:57,930 --> 00:53:01,050 Well I personally have a lot of faith in our staff I think having brought it 660 00:53:01,050 --> 00:53:04,870 up that that's something that they take a look at but thank you I 661 00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:06,290 appreciate that as a point. 662 00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:11,710 So I'm not hearing any concerns with that in mind. 663 00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:13,450 Would any commissioner like to make a motion? 664 00:53:13,470 --> 00:53:16,070 I'm trying to think of disadvantages, and I can't. 665 00:53:16,090 --> 00:53:20,490 And I think if something comes up where there's a situation 666 00:53:20,490 --> 00:53:24,930 really, it kind of comes down to those kind of the, 667 00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:29,430 I guess, those businesses to try to come up with the 668 00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:30,910 solution, but I can't. 669 00:53:31,050 --> 00:53:32,270 Well, they can do their own parking study, too. 670 00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:34,790 Or they can do their own parking study too. 671 00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:35,450 Right. 672 00:53:35,810 --> 00:53:41,630 And so, you know, just that's what I've been scouring my mind is like, what is the pitfall 673 00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:41,930 of this? 674 00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:43,030 And I can't think of anything. 675 00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:53,170 So I'll make a motion to recommend approval for J1 with the recommendation made by 676 00:53:53,170 --> 00:54:01,210 our chair to take a look at a closer look at kind of like putting some 677 00:54:01,210 --> 00:54:08,450 parameters on the distance within the subdivision, because the subdivision is 678 00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:15,210 a little kind of vague. Does that cover it or is it need some more kind of... I 679 00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:22,390 think I got what's on there. I would suggest that you make a 680 00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:26,070 a straight motion to approve or disapprove 681 00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:28,710 and then say something along the lines of, 682 00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:31,270 and I hope you will come back at some point in the future 683 00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:36,430 with having looked at this issue of contiguity, 684 00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:42,070 I think would be the issue, how close they are. 685 00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:45,910 So I mean, we can look at whether there's anything 686 00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:49,510 we can add before this goes to council 687 00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:51,210 because we have a couple of weeks. 688 00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:56,470 So if that's what y'all are wanting us to do then we can go ahead and take a look at that and see if there's 689 00:54:57,010 --> 00:55:01,330 Any language we can add to it just before it gets to counsel that tries to address that 690 00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:06,230 I don't think we're suggesting these come back to us again. No, I think we're fine either way 691 00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:10,270 We just kind of want to go from an a-plus to an a-plus-plus 692 00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:18,090 And if the motion is good, I'll suck at it so we have a motion and a second lawyer 693 00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:18,310 Grant. 694 00:55:18,850 --> 00:55:19,810 Mr. Abayek. 695 00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:20,150 Aye. 696 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:21,690 Mr. Langley. 697 00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:22,130 Aye. 698 00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:23,290 Mr. McGillmore. 699 00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:23,830 Aye. 700 00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:25,010 Mr. Jackson. 701 00:55:25,610 --> 00:55:25,930 Aye. 702 00:55:26,350 --> 00:55:27,050 Mr. Fitzpatrick. 703 00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:27,750 Aye. 704 00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:29,750 And that motion passes. 705 00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:35,210 Ladies and gentlemen, the time is 7.25 and I call this meeting adjourned.