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Okay, good afternoon. We're going to go ahead and start our call hour, changing where the 27th meeting to order, and at this time, I will ask Mr. Barnes, if he would do the prayer and the pledge.

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Please bow your hands.

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We're in the Lord. We thank you for this day and this time, and together. Help us make decisions that are wise for the best of this county.

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We ask that you bless those who weren't this bad as we can, so we can be safe and protect our military and police environment.

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Please.

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Please.

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Okay, at this time we will have the approval of the agenda, and I did want to let the group

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know that on the agenda, Mark Swanson had delivered two requests to Floyd County Clerk's

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office prior to the meeting requesting that items replaced on the agenda.

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The first is a request that he is formal adjacent to the procedural ruling of the chair

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of the place on the January 27th, 2026 meeting agenda.

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He also dropped off another copy of his proposed petition for a special purpose grand jury

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for the purpose of investigating the alleged election law violation in relation to the

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also provided before the January 13 meeting.

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Neither item was placed on the agenda prior to the meeting,

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and there has been no request thus far from any commissioner

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requesting that either item be added to the agenda.

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So at this time, I will ask the commissioners,

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is there anyone who would like to amend the agenda at this time?

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Hearing none, I ask, do we have an approval of the existing agenda?

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The commotion to approve.

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We have a motion and a second.

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Ms. Chandler, what you call the row?

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Commissioner Burns.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Waters.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Thornton.

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Yes.

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Vice Chair Hancock.

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Chair Wallace.

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Yes.

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Motion carries.

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Next, we have the approval of the minutes.

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Is there any additions, corrections, or deletions?

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Is there a motion to approve the minutes?

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I'd like a motion.

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Second.

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Have a motion in second.

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Ms. Chandler, we call the row.

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Commissioner Burns.

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Commissioner Waters.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Dorton.

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Yes.

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Vice Chair Hancock.

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Yes.

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Chair Wallace.

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Motion carries.

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At this time, we have no special recognition and we have no proclamations.

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But we do have a couple of people that have signed up to speak with items.

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not on the agenda. So when you come to the podium, Madam Chair, we do that typically at the

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end. As our afternoon, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm on the agenda. We do yes, that's the next

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item. Yes, I'm sorry, that's that. Yes, it is items on the agenda. So at this time when you come

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to the podium if you will give us your name and address,

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in first up, well we'll just

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let whoever wants to come up first. I have Angela Raveena on the list first if you want

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to come first. Are these are regarding matters on the agenda?

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they'd probably hear over and over.

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Right, this is not to keep right.

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We need to find that out.

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These are the zoning things. If you're here for the zoning things, that will be on the public hearing when we open up for the zoning. So, if this time is there anyone here to speak in matters on the agenda that are not related to zoning.

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I think that's confusing to a lot of people, and I'm sorry about that.

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But I think everyone who signed up to speak on agenda items, all our zoning items, is

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that correct.

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Oh, sorry.

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That was confusing.

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Okay.

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At this time, we will ask Bryce to come forward and we will do our second ratings for planning.

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Good evening, Madam Chair.

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We have seven items for you this evening.

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The first is a special use permit request.

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SCP-25, high-fantin, high-fantin, high-fantin,

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zero-four for the property at 870 Woods Road, and zero-Woods Road,

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Rome, Georgia, 3165.

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Floyd County Text parcels, G12Y-016A, and G12Y-016.

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The request is for a special use permit for an industrial recycling

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center, including concrete and asphalt recycling

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attend the role of hauling, grading, pressure, and screen services.

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You see the property outlined on your screen.

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One of the properties is split zone, the mix of suburban residential and light

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industrial.

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The other one is the state suburban residential.

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The property predates the ULDC.

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It has been around for multiple decades.

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This area is increasingly becoming residential.

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We do have preliminary plans for a subdivision to the east.

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The staff recommended approval on three conditions.

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First, that the approval applies to this project only and does not allow for further expansion of uses or services.

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It will not be expanded in terms of acreage.

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That the SGP will become void if the proposed use cease or if the existing use cease is to exist for more than 365 calendar days.

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And that the use it maintains a 100-foot setback and underserved buffer from the adjacent residential zone properties.

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Planning commission shows to approve with those conditions.

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Thank you, Madam.

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Okay,

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at this time, I will state the procedures for the public hearing.

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Each person recognized the speech.

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She'll come to the podium and state his or her name and home address.

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The people four have 10 minutes to speak and the people in the opposition will have 10 minutes to speak.

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So at this time, we'll open the public hearing and ask is there anyone here to speak in favor of this request?

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I'm Laura Weber from Martin's real estate to a one broad street sweet 200 we're

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putting this application for a variance on behalf of our tenants and that's

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Wood Woods Road recycling and so what they do is they recycle large

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construction debris so that they can reuse it. So like if you're getting a

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driveway, concrete driveway, you take your old driveway there and they crush it and then

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they can reuse it and it keeps it out of the landfill. So it's really very valuable for Floyd

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County. This all came about because they wanted to install a new truck scale but it wasn't

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zoned and we didn't realize that but they could not get a permit to put in a new truck scale.

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So basically, we're asking for a variance, so they can continue to operate.

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It won't be any big expansion.

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It's just so they can add this one big piece of equipment and a building to have the electronics,

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house electronics, other than that, to be the same.

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And we're in agreement with everything that brice the conditions that brice stated earlier.

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We're in a green with those.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else here would like to speak in favor of this request?

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Is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this request?

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Okay.

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Seeing none hearing none.

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We will close the public hearing.

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And I will ask Commissioner Barnes, who sets on the planning commission to give us a recommendation.

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I make a motion we approve.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second.

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Can we?

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Is there any divisions provisions that are.

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Yes.

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So the motion is to approve with the recommendation and conditions that were put on by planning commission.

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Okay, Ms. Chair, I'm alert, would you call the roll?

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Commissioner Burns, Commissioner Waters?

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Commissioner Thornton?

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Yes.

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Vice Chair Hancock?

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Yes.

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Chair Wallace?

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Yes.

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Motion Kings?

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Yes, Madam.

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Second item for the seeding is SUP 26, I think, 0.1, I think 0.1 for the property.

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0.1, I think, 0.1, I think.

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0.1, I think.

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0.1, I think.

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0.1, I think.

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0.1, I think.

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0.1, I think.

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0.1, I think.

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to see the larger property outlined on your screen.

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The applicant would be leasing 23 acres of approximately

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128 acres of farm land.

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More specifically, that self-eastern corner.

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The applicant has prepared a site plan.

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That was the original one.

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He's since updated it.

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I'm sorry, it's not in there.

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There is a more recent site plan

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that the applicant made to address some of the concerns

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related to the shooting right out of the property line.

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It changed some of the firing lanes to be angled upward

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further into their own property.

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Staff had concerns about noise as well as public safety.

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I think that a bullet could potentially leave the property

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whereas on those ranges, you took the shooting further into the property.

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We do have that site plan.

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The applicant provided quite a bit of detailed information regarding the number of

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shooters in the area and whatnot.

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Staff recommended denial, as we said, we had concerns about the ability to

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manage noise as well as the public safety aspect of it.

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The applicant and I have continued to meet multiple times, he's a very legitimate person in the

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firearms industry. We have greater concerns with the property itself. If you look at most

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of our outdoor ranges, you typically have a greater setback off the property lines, they're

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typically on bigger acreage. And they're also usually shooting, as I said, further into the property.

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This does come with a staff recommendation of denial and a seven-to-one denial from the

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any commission. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. At this time, we will open the public hearing.

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The same rose applaud. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this request? Come to the podium and tell us your name and address, please, sir.

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I'm Robert E. Camille's on the applicant. I would like to say the rest of my time to address very specific questions or concerns from the opponents.

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Okay, is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this request?

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Remember, you have a total of 10 minutes.

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So, whoever speaks just leave time for your other friends to speak as well.

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Thank you.

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My name is Chandler Nielsen.

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I live at 26, 99, Morton Ben Road.

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I want to start with our respect for possible firearm ownership

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and recreational shooting when conducted in properly-owned areas.

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My opposition is not to shooting sports themselves, but to placing an outdoor shooting range

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on agricultural residential land, and the serious impacts this would have on safety near

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by residents in quality of life.

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Safety is our primary concern, outdoor ranges near homes and farms carry inherent risks, including

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stray rounds, ricochets, and human error.

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These risks are compounded by the close proximity of neighboring properties and by emergency

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response times.

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Our nearest hospital is approximately 30 minutes away, which could be critical in the event of an injury.

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Noise is another major issue. Gunfire is loud, repetitive, and carries across long distances.

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I personally work night shift, as do many essential workers, and daytime shooting

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would directly interfere with our ability to rest and function safely.

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This also affects veterans in our community, including one being my husband

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for whom unexpected gunfire can be triggering

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did a his diagnosis with PTSD.

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Fourth, increased traffic on narrow rule roads

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and the disruption of wildlife and agricultural activity

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make this proposal incompatible with the intent

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of agricultural zoning, which is meant to preserve safety,

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stewardship, and the peaceful rule character of our area.

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Fifth, there are concerns of environmental contamination

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on this property.

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This property has a known history of industrial waste dumping

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for over two years, including paper mill sludge.

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The Ponds currently located on the site were excavated specifically to contain the runoff from the dump site contaminants.

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There are concerns regarding elegant elevated levels of arsenic and other contaminants in the soil and water.

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Notably, one pond does not even support aquatic life, which raises serious environmental red flags.

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Allowing public access, including children for children's sport of shooting, to a site which known or suspected contamination, presents a serious health and safety concern.

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Prior to any approval, comprehensive soil and water testing by the Georgia EPD wouldn't be necessary to determine whether the site is even safer human use.

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And still such testing is conducted and remediation is completed.

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This property is wholly unsuitable for recreational or commercial activity involving the public.

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Six, there is a lack of a meeting full local support. While many letters in favor to you guys have been submitted, numerous supporters are not residents of this community, or even the state of Georgia.

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Land use decisions to prioritize those directly impacted, and the strong opposition from nearby residents who live and work in this agricultural residential area deserves significant weight.

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I also want to address the claim that this proposed outdoor gun range would bring positive economic impact.

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There is little evidence that this rule out through a gun range is providing meaningful long-term economic benefit.

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They operate with minimal staffing, attract mostly local users and do not significantly increase tourism or local spending.

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And many communities, such ranges, have instead led to declining nearby property values,

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student noise, safety concerns, and reduced quality of life.

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Any limited revenue generated does not outweigh the potential economic losses to neighboring residents, agricultural operations and existing businesses.

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economic development should enhance a community, not divide it, disrupt it, or diminish this

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rounding property values.

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Finally, I want to address property rights and land compatibility.

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Many surrounding property owners purchase land in this area with the reasonable expectation

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of a rule, agricultural, or residential environment.

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The introduction of a shooting range fundamentally alters the character of the area and

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may negatively impact property values, land use, and enjoyment of one's own property.

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In closing, this proposal places a high impact commercial or recreational use in an area that is simply not appropriate for it.

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There are more suitable locations, properly zoned, remote, and designed to mitigate these risks

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where a shooting range could exist without imposing significant burdens on surrounding residents.

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I respectfully urge this board to consider the long-term consequences of this decision

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and to deny or reconsider this proposal in the interest of public safety, health, and community well-being.

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In addition to underscore the level of concern, our community organized a change.org position, opposing the proposed outdoor gun range, which gathered 238 signatures from local residents.

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Thank you for your timing consideration.

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Thank you.

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Is there anyone else here to speak in opposition?

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Please give us your name and address.

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So, I'm sorry.

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I'm here you because I all the gun parts.

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but please give us your name and a chance.

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I'm a hand-in-it person, 30, 28 point and then I'm a gun over.

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I believe in guns, most of that I believe in guns.

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But we don't need it.

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Two hundred, three hundred, four hundred yards from our home.

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Could you imagine that from your home?

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That's absolute, I don't know how.

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how I would sleep. I'm also in the state of worker. I have to do a call. I do not ship the

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times. She made it. I went about all of that. So I'm not going to rehash that. My biggest thing is

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we moved out to the country for a reason. But many reasons. Number one, we have family down there.

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Number two, away from the hustle and bustle of just dream, much less having 1,000 in 1,000 of gunfire.

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Safety, she brought up the point, human air.

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Human air is, then our hell will burn, she could have, no matter what all you have, set to keep it safe, human air.

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We have two charges, two brave sites, within that 3,400 yards, up to 90 and up to 600 for the other one.

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I thought that was a no gun.

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That's kind of disrespectful.

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It's hard to understand why.

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I would love to have a gun range.

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could do all of that, but not in our backyard. We move to town away from light and light

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pollution, away from noise pollution, to be safe, to be with our families, to let our kids and

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our animals be able to, you know, enjoy the country. This is going to steal and rob everything

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that me and my husband for 27 years has dreamed about.

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There's plenty of opportunities in other places

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for this to be placed, and I would love for it to be placed.

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But not in our backyard.

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This is a quiet, one-row community.

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This is dangerous, this is loud,

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it's disruptive, it's going to tear down what all of us

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have monitored dreamed of. If we wanted noise, we would be in the city. We chose to be in the country.

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Regimentary for a reason. They also, there's three owners. Are they here? Three owners? Only one signed off, or at least that's what we see.

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He only has 25 or 24 and a half percent ownership. We're at the other two signatures for them, that own that property.

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Don't know, sorry, don't know.

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Also, the financial means to do it somewhere else.

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They can go somewhere else.

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Most of us are not will-off, I'm not.

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I work 27 years to get where we're at.

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And for something to come available to be closed my in-laws,

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to be close to nature, to be in the quiet.

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That's our safe place, is that is your home and your yard not your safe, quiet place.

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This is not one of these safe and quiet.

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Human air alone makes mistakes, win the stake, just win bullet, an animal, much less

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a human.

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That's all I have to say.

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Thank you for listening.

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Thank you.

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And please give us your name, and address, please, sir.

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I'm their next door neighbor.

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My pastor and barn is 250 feet away from the property line

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of where they're going to be shooting.

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My house is less than 700 feet.

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And my home office is less than 600 feet.

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I work from home.

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My kids are homeschooled.

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They take their test at home.

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They need that peace and quiet.

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Every single day, just imagine,

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all work three going on. And you're right beside you. That's going to be me every single day.

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My animals, my horses, my thunkies, goats, chickens, all that. Two hundred feet away.

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So I guess thank you. Is there anyone else to speak in opposition? There's one minute left.

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I'm a rustling mayor of the 1815 Morton Bend Road, I've been on the bend for 20-2 years,

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I have a wife, two dollars, 14-10, I have a son that's three, I have another 20 years,

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like I said, bought the property, built my house, built my barn, on myself.

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So my house is going to be downrange from where the shoe craze is going to be, I'm roughly

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400 guards I'll ship the road and so I did just a little bit I mean I'm I'm gonna

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honor a lot of calipers and the range of stuff so just give you some resources from

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ArmyLive.com doesn't ammo rifle shooter magazine I said come around five five six

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out of 16 each barrel has a range of five hundred yards or 15 hundred feet we have a

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It's about CREEDMORE has a max range, 12-hore yards, five-hore yards effectively, 308, another

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coming round for deer hunting, lethal one-mile range, and they also have neighbor he can't

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be here, he's

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here this week, so I'll talk with him yesterday, kind of his family lives

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wrapped behind the same fun.

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He has a wild kids that live there, one goes to college, he has grandchildren,

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10 minutes is total, the total 10 minutes is, yes sir. So now we will allow you to come back

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and if you want to take the rest of your time to answer those people's questions or

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rebuttal or whatever you would like to say, just give us your name and address.

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Robert

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We don't have endless money, and we can't just build in multiple places.

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This is where the intersection of financial and physical opportunity met, and that's why we chose this place.

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I'm in a chief range safety officer with an RA and USCCA, and the proposal of 25 Burms is above and beyond.

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Well, it's in our A recommends in their guidebook, so that's what we're going by.

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You'll be hard pressed to find a range with 25 berms anywhere, but even in a residential

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type space like this.

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So, safety wise. Now, as far as the maximum factor range of calibers, there's already hunters that hunt on that property with no barriers whatsoever. With no direction of fire, they shoot in any direction available.

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So, I think there's a higher likelihood of something going south with hunters than a controlled environment of the shooting range. As far as noise goes, we have mitigation plans that we've discussed with planning,

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And definitely the 20-foot berms around all the perimeter walls is going to be a big huge

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factor on that.

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And high frequency or high volume ranges, we're going to put baffles over the 25 yard ranges.

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And we are going to use hydro seed to coat the slopes of all the impact berms and the

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dividing berms.

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The threshold for OSHA is 85 decibels at eight hours of constant sound.

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As dangerous, I expect that we can keep that below 80 decibels and that's intermittent.

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And that's probably right now I'm speaking at probably 90 decibels or more through the

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microphone.

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So I don't think that's going to be that much of a problem.

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I know it's an emotional issue, and it seems like there's a battlefield going on, but that's not the case at all.

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And people who shoot at multiple ranges probably understand this.

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So we have made our directions a fire, west and north only, and granted there are houses, west, far-down range.

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But between the shiplete and the firing line, yes, it's a 20-foot berm and terrain.

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In the same north and the closest, they said some footage lines there.

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I have been measuring from the firing line and the closest house that the one gentleman referred

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to to the east there from the firing line is somewhere around a thousand feet.

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So, yes, human error is exists, but I would venture to say that a good estimate of negligent

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discharges is that somewhere around 90 plus percent happened in the dirt directly in front

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of the shooter.

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Yeah, I pledge level of professionalism that most people in a civilian world probably aren't

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exactly used to dealing with, and let's say, and we plan to make as many, not as many

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changes as needed, but we plan to address the issues that the truth concerns, and that

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to be noise in my estimation. And safety, of course. But again, I'm so confident with 20

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foot burns that that's not going to be an issue. So beyond that, if the commission

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has any questions, specifically asked or if anyone would like to, but I'll see you in the

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time. Thank you. Is there anyone else here to speak in favor of this request?

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I'm going to be one of the gentlemen that's out there running this range.

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I grew up hunting more bin road back in the heavens used to own that same property.

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So I've been out there since I'm 40 years old now, so I've been out there for 30 plus years.

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So I'm very familiar with the area and understand the concerns that the individuals came up here and spoke with.

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Sir, can you pull that mock up? Just a little please, thank you.

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Sorry about that.

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Yes, so I completely understand their concerns.

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And obviously noise and safety are the biggest concerns here.

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So some of the other ones are not something I would necessarily be concerned about,

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but as far as noise goes, like Edgar said,

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you know, we've done the measurements.

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I'm not sure where the gentleman is actually located,

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But we believe from the firing line, the closest dwelling is about 1,000 feet, and in between that dwelling obviously there's a large berm that we will construct, and then there's the terrain features in between there.

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It's actually, the range is actually sitting in a bowl. If you actually go out there and look at your range, so it's actually down in a bowl, so any direction we shoot, you actually are shooting uphill in any direction, the way that it has been built.

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So in the air it rounds is somehow where to find its way over a berm would significantly

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clear any residential household that was anywhere near there.

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Because they would have to aim at such an angle high that there's no way it would come into an impact area within that residential area.

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And if you zoom out from those areas, pretty much everything around there is just fields or forests.

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So that concern of them having a safety issue is not as great as I think they think it is.

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And at the noise thing, one thing that may some may or may not be know about is that recently

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the tax stamp that came along with suppressors is no longer a thing.

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So I'm a competitive shooter, and to go off on a small tangent real quick, so I go around

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the country and compete competitively, and I know for a fact that the people that I could

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with my sponsors have a lot of interest in this area because there's nothing around here that

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offers what we want to offer. So as far as bringing some value to the local area as far

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as Rome because of its proximity to Rome would be substantial. Vince liked the tactical

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games which I compete in at a very high level. That can bring anywhere from 250 to 300 just

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competitors alone not to mention friends and family, any sponsors and things of that nature.

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Then we're talking about USPSA, PCSL, I could go on and on about the amount of events that

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can occur out of this place.

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On a very regional level, it would bring a substantial amount of business to this area because

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of its proximity to Rome, which typically you have to go a pretty significant distance to

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get to a range of this level.

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So it would be very beneficial for Rome as a city, but a source that noise goes and the suppressor

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thing.

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So, suppressors with that $200 tax stamp that you have to pay, used to kind of put them

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out of reach, right, and speaking from experience, when you go to a range, I go to a

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competition.

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There's always that one guy that shows up without a suppressor, and we hate him, right, because

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when it goes off, you can notice we tell a difference between what we're shooting and what

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he's shooting, right?

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So, we are very cognizant of suppressor use, and it's something that is growing significantly,

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And even with this removal of the tax stamp, it's going to grow even more so.

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So more and more people are going to be using this type of attachment on their muzzle.

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So therefore it will drastically reduce the noise level of the kind of weapons that will

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be shooting out at this range.

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So we'll have it overnight, no.

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But we'll have it over time, absolutely, because people are becoming more and more aware of what

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effects it has when you're shooting, you know, firearms in close proximity to

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your ears and the percussion and things of that nature. So, suppressors are

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going to be coming more and more mainstream and more available to all

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demographics because that tax stamp is no longer available. I just got

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back from shot show. I know there's a lot of suppressors being made now

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that are in the $2 to $300 range. So, they're now much more affordable

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because that tax stamp is no longer available. And it's something that we can

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introduce at our gun range.

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All right, suppressor hour, only hours.

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I've been to other ranges that have done that.

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It's certain hours.

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We can say if you want to shoot at this range,

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you have to use the suppressor.

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That's the thing, it exists at other ranges

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because they may be in close proximity to other houses.

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So the noise mitigation, we are taking all the steps

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possible to make that happen because I get it, I understand it.

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But I don't think it's going to be as great as some of them

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making it seem that I've been around, I'm serving the military currently, I've been around

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a lot of ranges, and you'd be surprised how easy it is to mitigate that sound with the

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burns and especially to rain. It will make a difference. But with the introduction of

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suppressors, I think that that issue will actually calm itself a lot more than people think.

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That's all I have. Thank you.

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There's 25 seconds left. Is there anyone else that would like to speak in favor of this request?

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I will not speak to anything that has an argument set specifically with regard to Edgar and Kurt,

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just to vouch that they are consummate professionals and all that they do.

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It is difficult to understand the level of professionalism that they currently conduct themselves within that they will operate the range with.

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so you can take what they've said to the bank and know that they have the best interests

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of the range, the community, and for accounting and mind.

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Thank you.

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Okay, at this time we will close the public hearing and I will ask if there's any questions

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or discussion from the commission.

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I know we've had lots and lots of discussion over the past couple of days, but is there

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any discussion from the commission at this time?

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One thing, you know, obviously, you guys were talking about just a little earlier as you were discussing.

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The fact that this was on the agenda this evening was, you talked about various conditions and, you know, that you all had looked it.

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You'd had staff, staff, staff, Bryce to look at conditions. It could be placed in what other communities and those sorts of things to do to try to deal with those situations.

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and I know Bryce has mentioned sort of a list of various things it could be conditions

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right.

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If you were to decide that what you wanted to do was to travel proof to approve but to

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try to deal with some of those mitigations so I don't know if there's any desire to talk

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through some of those things tonight or you know or not but those some of that has been

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provided.

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I know that there was also a map that we looked at earlier and I don't know if you guys would

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to make sure that map comes into sort of the record of, you know, of the hearing or not, but

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just well.

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Well, and also along those lines, Chris, we had talked about the possibility of having

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some more time, because things were evolving even right before our meeting, and that there

453
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,920
was a discussion between the planings of director and also the applicant, and that that seemed

454
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,060
to be something that both agree could potentially be beneficial to have a little bit of a

455
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:31,020
time to evaluate these evolving criteria and then looking at these other standards that we were

456
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:31,860
looking at.

457
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,480
And I would like to also say, I wrote out to the property today.

458
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:39,560
I spent about an hour out there, I actually called Brass on the phone while I was out there,

459
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:44,340
looking at it to be sure that I was aligned the right way and I was looking at everything in the

460
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:45,020
right perspective.

461
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,580
So any decision that's ever made by this commission on these kind of issues are taking

462
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:50,380
very serious.

463
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:52,320
And they're not taking lightly.

464
00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:54,920
And one thing I don't want to do, this is not a second

465
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,120
amendment issue with this fire and range.

466
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,680
This is an issue of a zoning request.

467
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,400
So I know the folks that do live out there.

468
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:05,920
I'm sure that most of them do hunt.

469
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:08,880
They probably hunt on their own property out there in that area.

470
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,280
But the gentleman with the range did,

471
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:14,020
one of the concerns I had was the way the fire and range

472
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:15,860
was pointed down range.

473
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,320
But I think the map that Chris was referring to,

474
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,440
And we don't have a digital copy of it, do we, bros?

475
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,980
I wish we, but it, it turned the range of other directions.

476
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,060
So the firing lanes are now facing, and if I'm wrong, correct me.

477
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,760
The very opposite of the direction they were previously.

478
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,940
Previously facing Southward, we were facing Northward further into the property.

479
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:37,240
Right.

480
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:40,360
So, further into their own property, rather than shoot away.

481
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,860
And I want to thank Mr. Smith because it was your email, I think it was you that put

482
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:45,500
the distance.

483
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,360
That's why I wrote out there.

484
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,940
I wanted to look to see what I was looking at.

485
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:52,220
That was a very good detailed email, and thank you for sending that.

486
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,840
But yeah, I just wanted everybody to know that we did have discussions, and we did talk

487
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,600
about it in caucus, and we did ask some questions about some things that could be changed,

488
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,340
and you know, these decisions are not easy when it comes to zoning.

489
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,340
I don't want to buy that.

490
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,660
And the SUP stays with the property.

491
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,400
So that's, we need to be very intentional about the decisions that we make related to this.

492
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,340
That is correct, especially Stormland is not issued to a person or a business that's issued to a parcel number, since they're an address.

493
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,160
So if this gentleman sells the property, that issue piece stays with that property as well as the restrictions.

494
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,220
If I'm wrong, as well as the restrictions are put on it.

495
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:39,140
So somebody else could come back and open a gun range, but they have to adhere to the same restrictions that this organization did as well.

496
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,100
Okay, at this time I know that there's a lot of discussions.

497
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:50,660
And there's a lot of moving parts, a lot of things that are changing very quickly.

498
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:56,920
So at this time, I'd like to make a motion that we deny the request without prejudice,

499
00:38:57,140 --> 00:39:04,060
which means that the applicant can work, continue to work with the planning director,

500
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:12,740
and then that means that it would come back to the commission probably in March, and that

501
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:20,800
would give him an opportunity to see if the stipulations and conditions that would be required

502
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,840
for this top property, if that would be something that they could see if it's affordable

503
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,780
or if they could make the changes or what that would look like.

504
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,440
So at this time, that is the motion to deny without prejudice.

505
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:41,700
We have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion?

506
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,220
Okay, Ms. Charmler, will you call the row?

507
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,240
Commissioner Burns.

508
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,080
I have staying.

509
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:48,580
Commissioner Waters.

510
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:50,180
Yes. Commissioner Thornton.

511
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,740
Vice Chair Hancock.

512
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,060
Yes.

513
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,520
Chair Wallace. Yes.

514
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,260
Motion carries.

515
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,000
Our next item for you this evening is

516
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,700
SCP-26501.

517
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,440
02 for the property at 3770 Kingston Highway. That is fully county tax parcel in 143311A. The property is currently

518
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:15,080
zones agricultural residential. The request is for a special statement for a daycare slash group home. You

519
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,440
have the property outline on your screen. It's just over 12 acres in size. It's a pause for a second.

520
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:27,960
Yeah, if you don't mind, just give us just one second and let everybody that was here for that item. If they

521
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,820
on to the lead. They're welcome to.

522
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,160
Okay, Bryce, I think we're good.

523
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,580
Yes, ma'am. As I said, this is a special response request for a daycare

524
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:50,740
slash group home properties outlined on your screen. It was previously used by

525
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:54,920
Windshake Foundation, where it was a sort of transitional housing

526
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,560
for kids that had aged out of foster care. The applicant owns and

527
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,380
operates a personal care home and another daycare within the city limits.

528
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,500
This did come with a staff recommendation of approval.

529
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,700
It got unanimous approval from the Planning Commission.

530
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,860
There was a comment brought up the Planning Commission about noise issue for

531
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:19,020
related to a previous event that was stated that that was essentially a fundraiser for

532
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:20,100
that.

533
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,920
I've since looked into that further.

534
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,600
I gave you guys some information in caucus.

535
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:32,740
I also found where the problem is listed as being offered for a Airbnb slash event facility

536
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:40,560
on a city social media, Georgia's Rome, but I'm assuming that is what the neighbors were referring

537
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,280
to related that. So just for some additional information, but as I said, the staff report

538
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,220
was written that did come with a staff recommendation of approval and it did get unanimous approval

539
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:55,340
from the Planning Commission. Thank you. Thank you, Bryce. It this time we'll open the public hearing

540
00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:59,360
and is there anyone here to speak in favor of this request?

541
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,820
Please pull that microphone down please.

542
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,580
Thank you.

543
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,240
It's hard to hear up here.

544
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:11,540
Thank you.

545
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:11,740
Thank you.

546
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:11,860
Hello.

547
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:19,020
I'm Tamika Fitzgivins and I'm the owner operator of Fitz personal care and we're here

548
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:28,300
to receive a special permit to continue offering housing for elderly and special

549
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:34,720
need of those as well as activity time during the day and some weekend activities.

550
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:41,650
Now, I want to leave the rest of my time for any questions on any way may you?

551
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:47,070
Okay, is there anyone else here to speak in favor of this request?

552
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,420
Is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this request?

553
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,700
Did you want to say anything else?

554
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,860
Okay, you're welcome to have a seat.

555
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,980
Okay, we've heard the information that has been presented.

556
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,940
I will call on Mr. Burns.

557
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:16,340
Could we ask some questions first?

558
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:18,900
Can we get in like a motion?

559
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,840
Okay.

560
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:21,580
No, I'm just curious.

561
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:30,520
So is the space going to be a housing facility for those in need or is it going to be an Airbnb event venue?

562
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Because it's confusing.

563
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:39,530
One of the houses will be them for those in need of housing.

564
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,120
What I am doing during the day is offering parents and education

565
00:43:47,120 --> 00:44:02,060
to those who don't have been now in comp and the CCSP waivers to stay there so I'm using the Airbnb to get them free stay and time off from their special knee kids and the services of free to them.

566
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:13,160
So it's a free stay. It's not an Airbnb then. Sorry. So what I was saying was it isn't Airbnb for the three not the big house,

567
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:32,140
But I'm using also offer free stay for the parents of special needs or caretakers to come in while my staff get them on there now and come for their CCSP waivers and so that they could have respite away from their kids.

568
00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:33,320
Okay, thank you.

569
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,640
So I'm confused.

570
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,380
So what we're approving is,

571
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,900
Chris, exactly, tell what we're approving is, have anything

572
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:58,480
to do with an Airbnb or is it, and they're using it for a paid Airbnb, is that part of the

573
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,840
issue P, issue P?

574
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:04,760
It's not related to that, or the request. It was just something that I identified when I was looking

575
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,820
on the Internet trying to research the neighbors complaint.

576
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,400
So, but does it affect this request in any way?

577
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:18,220
So, it's two different homes. Is that there's three homes?

578
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,220
Yes, and it has, neither one has anyone can have an Airbnb. You have to pay taxes on it.

579
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:28,460
Right. So, that has nothing to do with it.

580
00:45:28,460 --> 00:45:32,600
have anything to do with it. Nothing at all. That's there you go. That's what I was

581
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,560
on here. Thank you.

582
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,600
And I asked if we have other venues, they were something else that

583
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,720
made you forward.

584
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:45,940
I mentioned that Mr. Skittons and I'll be precinct to discuss it.

585
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,620
Back in October the possibility of turning the property into it.

586
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:51,020
And then it didn't mean that it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that

587
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:54,200
the minimum acreage, minimum acreage is just 15 acres.

588
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,200
This property is just over 12.

589
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:14,240
However, as the neighbors mentioned that there was some sort of an event where they felt that the noise was too loud and I said at the point where they went and made a request to turn it down and appears that there was some sort of a jazz night type of event, the tickets were sold for, and that happened in September of prior hours.

590
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:16,200
Excuse me, I was speaking about it.

591
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:26,300
I only say that because it was also listed on the social media post that it could be rented for weddings and parties and whatnot.

592
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,780
So for us this evening is just the determination of whether we approve the SUP.

593
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:37,610
Okay.

594
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:40,350
Is there any other discussion from the Commission?

595
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:45,590
At this time, Commissioner Burns, would you like to make a motion?

596
00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:47,870
I'm making a motion that we approve.

597
00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:48,750
Second.

598
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:51,110
Have a motion and a second?

599
00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:52,970
Mr. Umla, would you call the row?

600
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:54,030
Commissioner Burns?

601
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:54,530
Yes.

602
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:55,350
Commissioner Waters?

603
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:55,830
Yes.

604
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:57,790
Yes.

605
00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:58,750
Last year, Hancock?

606
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:59,030
Yes.

607
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:59,810
Chair Wallace?

608
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:00,270
Yes.

609
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:01,030
Motion carries.

610
00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:04,010
All right.

611
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:07,390
Next item for you is Z-26501-1003.

612
00:47:07,570 --> 00:47:09,830
For the property of zero rock mark road,

613
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:12,290
the request is to resume from suburban as an initial

614
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:13,110
to community commercial.

615
00:47:13,390 --> 00:47:14,610
This is fully county tax parcel.

616
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:16,330
K-1703.0.

617
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:19,610
The picture you see there is outdated.

618
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:22,270
That is property though outlined on your screen.

619
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:26,670
Since it's been cleared, the request came with no information

620
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:28,930
simply that it was a speculative request

621
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:34,050
so that the property could be marketed, because of its highway frontage, we have since

622
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:38,030
learned that this is reportedly going to be a dollar general site.

623
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:40,770
The time staff had no knowledge.

624
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:45,790
We simply evaluated what we had, and there was no reason to justify going and get

625
00:47:45,790 --> 00:47:48,090
our comprehensive plan, or our future land use map.

626
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:52,870
The staff recommendation was to deny just one second.

627
00:47:55,390 --> 00:48:00,950
The Planning Commission voted to deny by a vote of three to five since the motion to deny failed.

628
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:04,190
It has been forwarded to the fully counting commission as a recommendation of approval.

629
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:06,010
Thank you.

630
00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:06,770
Thank you.

631
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:14,430
At this time, we will open the public hearing and I will ask if there is anyone here to speak in favor of this request.

632
00:48:20,890 --> 00:48:21,150
Thank you.

633
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:22,810
My name is Jim Gibbons.

634
00:48:22,810 --> 00:48:30,170
I'm at 16 Commerce Court, and I'm here today to represent Ashley Evans' development that

635
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:33,870
would be Larry Ashley and Gary Evans, they're the owners of the property.

636
00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:35,450
I'm here representing them.

637
00:48:35,570 --> 00:48:40,330
I do not represent Dollar General, so anything I say about them, I cannot make any commitments.

638
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:48,670
But I can tell you that we received last night a site plan to the property from Dollar General

639
00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:55,070
lay out people, developers, and I mentioned that to Brass today, I didn't want it to be a surprise to him.

640
00:48:55,310 --> 00:49:01,170
The reason we said it was for speculation, because at the time of application, we didn't know exactly where

641
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:08,570
the dollar general was on this project, but we do have a contract on the property to sell to a dollar general developer.

642
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:15,510
The site plan is here, it has a 10,640 square foot building being proposed.

643
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:23,650
that would be either a market, they have two different type of stores, a market store,

644
00:49:24,250 --> 00:49:28,690
one very similar to the one in Kusa, or it would be a select store, which is located

645
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:33,990
intersection to give you a comparison of 156 and highway 27 North.

646
00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:40,910
Now the plans do call for a brick or stucco facade on the part of the building that faces

647
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:48,450
101, they have gotten away from the metal building look and that's their call, but I'm

648
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:53,610
just telling you what's showing up on their plans. They do call to improve the turniness,

649
00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:59,970
turning radius of the intersection, a tree might drive, and 101. The tax?

650
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,840
In closing, the tax value of this property, if this is approved, is developed and sold into the marketplace.

651
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:13,020
The tax value of this track and land will increase from 51,000 to over 2 million dollars.

652
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,040
I'm here to answer any questions. I reserve my time.

653
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:18,240
Thank you.

654
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:22,400
Is there anyone else to speak in favour of this request?

655
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:29,180
Is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this request?

656
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:29,720
My

657
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:42,200
name is Laurie Hardy. I've lived at 23 Tremont, so I am right across Tremont from

658
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:47,460
that's the property. My property goes to all the way to 101 and it's two lots. We have

659
00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:56,160
a house on the second line. This is a picture from my driveway to the dollar general property.

660
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:04,000
I impose it. In theory 101 doesn't sound like a bad place to put a dollar general in

661
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,820
that we have when on 101.

662
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,180
We do not need it at the entrance to our neighborhood.

663
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:13,520
That is not how I want to welcome people

664
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,180
into my neighborhood with a dollar general.

665
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:19,330
The road is narrow, like he said.

666
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:21,730
And for now, it would be ridiculous,

667
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:24,410
because this is how all the big vehicles have

668
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:26,710
parked at the stop sign at three months

669
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:27,730
to turn on to 101.

670
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,770
But it does it, GPS does it, and the buses do it.

671
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:32,210
We can't even turn in.

672
00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:34,670
We have to wait until they pull out into 101.

673
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:39,750
this, how narrow it is. The speed limit is 25 miles an hour. There are about 25, 20

674
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:44,890
houses on one and one half of them have little kids. As it is, people speed down that

675
00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:49,150
road if they are using that as a cut-through and it will always be a cut-through if

676
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:53,190
there is a dollar general there because of the large neighborhood behind us, people coming

677
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:58,390
through to go. We would have to have speed bump or something to slow them down because

678
00:51:58,390 --> 00:52:02,470
people who don't live on that road go well beyond the 25 miles an hour.

679
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:05,490
There are blind driveways on that road.

680
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:07,090
There's a hill at the other end.

681
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:09,190
There's blind driveways on both sides of the hill.

682
00:52:11,610 --> 00:52:13,970
So no business would really be good there.

683
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:15,030
Let alone an dollar general.

684
00:52:15,690 --> 00:52:18,990
Dollar general's own business model is one store

685
00:52:18,990 --> 00:52:21,570
deserved $10,282 people.

686
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:26,370
Romharding has 14 stores, which for one store

687
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:28,670
to serve about 6700 people.

688
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:31,970
Romharding has the highest store to person ratio

689
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:39,060
in the state of Dollar General's. Dollar General also, their goal is the stores are placed

690
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:45,240
in Minnesota Park. They're trying to put stores with no matter where you are, you can get

691
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,720
to a Dollar General within 10 minutes. The current stores, there's one in Lindell's 3.7

692
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:54,240
miles away, it's 8 minutes to get there. There's one on Cape Springs Road at 5.8 miles

693
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:59,480
away, that's 10 minutes away. There's one on Dean Street, five miles away, that's 7 minutes.

694
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:08,160
There's one on 101 in arrogant 5.3 miles away, six minutes, and there's one on 2nd Avenue is 6.7 miles away, this 10 minutes.

695
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:12,440
We're going to end up in the same boat y'all have issues with all the gas stations.

696
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:18,000
The other shores nearby are silver-create minimark, 1.9 miles from my house,

697
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:29,460
run food marks, 0.4 miles from my house, easy stop is 0.6 miles, and silver-create,

698
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:31,720
This site is surrounded by houses.

699
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,260
There's one to the right.

700
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:35,900
There's one behind it that has small children living there.

701
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,640
And then there's one, I am on the left.

702
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,880
I have seven kids.

703
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:41,040
Fortunately, the youngest ones are 14.

704
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,540
So they probably will not be hit in the middle of the road.

705
00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:47,660
But we do not need a dollar general to welcome people

706
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:48,420
into our neighborhood.

707
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,220
I moved there surrounded by residential property

708
00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:53,920
because that's how I wanted to live.

709
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:55,060
That's where I wanted to stay.

710
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:58,080
If I wanted to live by a business, I would have stayed in town.

711
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:05,480
Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else to speak in opposition to this request?

712
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:13,510
Hearing none, we will close the public hearings.

713
00:54:15,250 --> 00:54:15,850
Mr.

714
00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:22,250
Gibbons, did you want to come back and answer any of those rebuttals?

715
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:30,790
I have, according to Georgia DOT records, the traffic count at this intersection have to take

716
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:36,750
two readings and kind of extrapolate, but there's 8,000 cars a day on how we want to

717
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:41,950
want it this location. It meets dollar general's criteria to a T. Thank you.

718
00:54:42,190 --> 00:54:47,930
Thank you. Okay, this time we will close the public hearing and I'll ask if there's any

719
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:52,930
discussion from the Commission, or is there a motion from Mr. Burns?

720
00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:54,270
I have a question.

721
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:55,490
I need to go ahead.

722
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:55,570
Go ahead.

723
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:59,970
So you talked about a turn radius Mr. Gibbons. Can you explain that?

724
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,940
Is that coming out of Tremont? They would extend that turn radius back out on the 101, not sure understood.

725
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,300
Mr. Hancock, the only thing I can reference is this document.

726
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:12,920
Okay.

727
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:26,020
And it does say on there that they intend to improve the existing intersection radius, it appears as though the bulk of that improvement, according to this shaded area, is closer to roll.

728
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:32,060
And then on the other side, more toward rock martyred, it kind of narrows some, but I don't have any specifics.

729
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:32,880
Okay.

730
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,480
On what that is, they just included that on their preliminary plan.

731
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:37,080
Okay.

732
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:39,060
Thank you.

733
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,740
Mr. Wood, with the information that you've now received that this is potentially a dollar general.

734
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,520
Does that change the opinion of your, you and your staff?

735
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,640
I do feel better. That's not going to be a gas station.

736
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,260
Yes, ma'am.

737
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:56,000
That's a step in the right direction.

738
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,380
And there is commercial property around this.

739
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,020
There's an old junkyard that's no longer open.

740
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,300
I directly across the highway.

741
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,060
There's a house in Zones, C.C.

742
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:07,280
In the meeting area.

743
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,340
There's a body shop in a convenience store.

744
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,160
I've got three houses down.

745
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:19,600
Thank you.

746
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,720
Is there any other discussion or any additional questions?

747
00:56:28,050 --> 00:56:30,710
Commissioner Barnes, would you like to make a motion please?

748
00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:39,130
I have a motion and a second, Ms. Chomu, would you call the row?

749
00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:43,870
Commissioner Burns, Commissioner Waters, Commissioner Thornton.

750
00:56:44,490 --> 00:56:45,430
Vice Chair Haincock.

751
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:45,750
Yes.

752
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:46,530
Chair Wallace.

753
00:56:46,890 --> 00:56:47,050
Yes.

754
00:56:47,230 --> 00:56:47,830
Motion carries.

755
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:51,230
Next item for you this evening is Z-26.

756
00:56:51,590 --> 00:56:53,490
I can 0-1, I can 0-4 for the property.

757
00:56:53,590 --> 00:56:55,230
43, 34, Martha Berry.

758
00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:58,170
Highway, properties kind of is on suburban residential.

759
00:56:58,790 --> 00:57:02,410
The request is to resume to community commercial for a portion of the property.

760
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:06,370
As we get to the map here, that is outlining the entire property.

761
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:10,110
There at the corner of Martha Berry and that side street.

762
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:13,390
You have a pharmacy shop that predates the adoption of the U.S.

763
00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:20,210
You'll receive the request is to resume that small quarter there to CC to allow for that

764
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:23,070
store to be raised and a newer bigger one to be developed.

765
00:57:23,070 --> 00:57:26,630
The rest of the property would remain zoned as are.

766
00:57:26,810 --> 00:57:30,670
That was it to request of the owners so that they can protect the homes on the property.

767
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:35,650
This does come with a staff recommendation of approval based on the provided site plan.

768
00:57:35,890 --> 00:57:37,070
Thank you.

769
00:57:37,070 --> 00:57:37,530
Thank you.

770
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:39,610
It is time we will open the public hearing.

771
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:43,770
Now ask is there anyone here to speak in favor of this request?

772
00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:52,080
Is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this request?

773
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:57,380
Seeing none hearing none will close the public hearing.

774
00:57:57,380 --> 00:58:01,020
And I'll ask if there's any discussion from the Commission.

775
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:08,100
Commissioner Barnes, which would like to make a motion please.

776
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,220
I'm motionally approved with the conditions.

777
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,560
Second.

778
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:14,960
We have a motion in a second.

779
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:16,680
Ms. Chandler, would you call the road?

780
00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:17,700
Commissioner Burns.

781
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:18,200
Yes.

782
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,540
Commissioner Waters. Yes.

783
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:20,940
Commissioner Thornton. Yes.

784
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:21,700
That's your handcuffs.

785
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:22,220
Yes.

786
00:58:22,220 --> 00:58:23,220
Chair Wallace. Yes.

787
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:24,000
Motion carries.

788
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:27,000
The next item we have for you is a

789
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,620
to the Unified Land Development Code, it relates to gas stations in

790
00:58:31,620 --> 00:58:34,660
convenient stores, or convenient gas stations in convenient stores.

791
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:40,000
First of all, it removes the option for automobile service stations.

792
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,960
Those did not exist any more in our area, and I don't anticipate them coming back.

793
00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:49,580
Next is, it emits the use chart to make convenient gas stations allowed by right

794
00:58:49,580 --> 00:58:52,400
with limitations in the CC, HC and LID districts.

795
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:58,260
Those limitations are contained below, it limits them to arterial roads, major or minor.

796
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,080
There is an exception there for retail shopping centers and excessive about 100,000 square

797
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:03,900
feet.

798
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:09,440
It places a distance of six hundred, six hundred foot buffer from a school of starches,

799
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,840
daycares, stock-all-treatment centers,

800
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,980
public parks, and the public ride-away assisting

801
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:18,260
with a greenway trail and the governing-way trail.

802
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:22,900
There, once again, is an exception that allows for a 100,000 square foot retail centers.

803
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:29,040
There is a 1,000 foot directs line distance requirement between stores.

804
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,020
That is measured property line in the property line.

805
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:42,260
There is a 300 foot distance requirement, straight line measurement from store to property that is zone for single family home or developed as a single family home.

806
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,000
then from the historic districts, which is only an issue in the city.

807
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:50,720
Lastly, they are not allowed within 500 feet of the river.

808
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:52,340
That's an environmental concern.

809
00:59:53,060 --> 00:59:55,600
Not allowed within the 100-year floodplain.

810
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,880
Once again, that's environmental.

811
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:59,980
And lastly, not allowed within 500 feet of a...

812
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,300
Linear feet. I think Governor operated well. That is where the county gets his drinking water from. For the city, it creates some design requirements. But as of right now, those were limited to the city.

813
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:29,060
Of run the convenience store side that do not sell gas. Those would be allowed by right with limitations in the CC and HC district. And it creates several of the similar distance requirements from other stores as well as parks, churches, schools, things of that nature.

814
01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:37,080
This does come with a staff recommendation of approval and you know what's the approval from the planning commission and it was also adopted last night by the city.

815
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:38,360
Thank you.

816
01:00:38,740 --> 01:00:47,180
Thank you at this time. We will open the public hearing and I'll ask is there anyone here to speak in favor of this request?

817
01:00:54,610 --> 01:01:01,250
Thank you. I do want to point out that I did speak at the planning committee in support of this and the last night at the city commission.

818
01:01:02,690 --> 01:01:06,650
So, the people who know me know that I'm a frequent critic of the government.

819
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:10,830
And those who really know me know that I will give credit when it is due.

820
01:01:11,590 --> 01:01:18,150
As a conservative, I view our land and resources as a precious commodity, and must be

821
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:19,450
managed with the screen care.

822
01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:25,710
I love capitalism, many Americans, dreams, including my families were made possible by it.

823
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:31,230
But as it stands today, the United States operates under mixed marketing capitalism, where

824
01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:36,730
private ownership exist, but the government, meaning the people, regulate industries and

825
01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:42,230
provide safety nets. So it is due time that Rome starts implementing quality over

826
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:48,470
quantity, and I know I get repetitive with that. Currently, Rome employed have a profusion

827
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:54,030
of gas stations compared to the national average. Every time I attend a city and county meeting,

828
01:01:54,390 --> 01:02:00,490
Rome is always applauded at how it appears to outside communities and how much other cities

829
01:02:00,490 --> 01:02:02,350
and communities want to be like Roe.

830
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:05,170
I want people to wish that they could live here

831
01:02:05,170 --> 01:02:06,750
and doesn't want them to.

832
01:02:07,150 --> 01:02:09,130
But our gas stations and convenience stores

833
01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:11,010
where other communities really desire.

834
01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:13,730
I hear how Rome is unique.

835
01:02:14,170 --> 01:02:15,970
I honestly don't believe that's true anymore.

836
01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:18,870
Maybe at one point, when we had Mills,

837
01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:22,750
when we had a nickname, the Stove Center of the South.

838
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:25,830
There is nothing unique about gas stations,

839
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:27,750
data centers, chain restaurants,

840
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:35,690
and let's not forget the 17, well, 18, I guess, now dollar general stores between the city and the county.

841
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:40,490
What I see is status quo, cookie-cutter, or suburban sprawl.

842
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:45,970
The bit of uniqueness that we have left is the statue sitting on the auditorium steps.

843
01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:49,530
The small mom and pop shops trying to survive unbrid.

844
01:02:50,330 --> 01:02:53,350
I'm not trying to be ugly or mean, but the truth hurts,

845
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:58,890
But to preserve Rome, Floyd, its uniqueness, and its people, the truth is needed.

846
01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:06,830
The city's uniqueness only spans the point six miles, or mile, along the stretch of

847
01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:08,030
broad, then what?

848
01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:12,110
Get out into the county, and it's like nobody cares what's being built.

849
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:15,510
I'm not saying to control it, I'm not for that.

850
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:21,010
But when one operates in public, there should be at least, and standard, for some pride,

851
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:23,890
of what gets built in the county as well.

852
01:03:25,210 --> 01:03:27,870
If we want to be the best, then we need to have pride,

853
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:30,850
not only on broad, but throughout all of Floyd County.

854
01:03:32,350 --> 01:03:35,410
Pricewood has been, I believe, pointed to this position,

855
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:38,490
and I believe from what I've heard and seen in the past,

856
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:41,070
that he has the best interest of Floyd County at heart.

857
01:03:41,590 --> 01:03:44,790
So I applaud and thank him and everyone else responsible

858
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:48,430
for putting this ordinance together, prioritizing our community,

859
01:03:48,430 --> 01:03:58,030
and the people's well-being. In closing for full transparency, there is currently a petition circulating in the community and support of this ordinance, thank you.

860
01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:03,930
Thank you. Is there anyone else here to speak in favour of this request?

861
01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:09,990
Is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this request?

862
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:27,190
an association of gaff owners and developers in Rome and Floyd County and there's some

863
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:33,370
sea store owners in that association as well, but these guys are largely the fellows and the

864
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:37,550
ladies that come in and spend substantial money on new projects and they don't just set up the

865
01:04:37,550 --> 01:04:43,890
ding-ding shop in the strip mall. I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight.

866
01:04:44,590 --> 01:04:49,850
I also want to thank Mr. Rubino. Mr. Hicks, Mr. Missier, earlier they've heard me talk about this

867
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:56,990
three or four times, and I must be the least-like guy in Floyd County and Rome defend in the C-Sports right now.

868
01:04:57,090 --> 01:04:59,970
Frankly, surprise no one's hitting with a rock while I think.

869
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:15,420
I was engaged by these guys back when this first came across the table at the planning commission. I had one client, the scenes, who wanted to build a store over there across the street from the walk around the store.

870
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:23,960
After that meeting, where it was table for the first time, I woke up the next day and I had 20 phone calls and a lot of different clients.

871
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:44,840
And we interface with Chris with Bryce and really appreciate all the hard work they put into this and the consideration they gave my clients and my arguments and our concerns and we think we made some good compromises on the ordinance and I think as written it's a great ordinance.

872
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:51,580
The problem that remains with the ordinance, though, to us, is that there is no reasonable

873
01:05:53,280 --> 01:06:01,080
transition period from the regs that were in effect when the moratorium was entered, and

874
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,280
those that will go into effect if passed today.

875
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,960
If you recall how the moratorium came up, it was added to the agenda, I think during caucus

876
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,000
it, a meeting here on June 10th, last year,

877
01:06:16,220 --> 01:06:17,740
their published agenda didn't mention

878
01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:19,400
a moratorium like that.

879
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:21,400
The public really had the notice.

880
01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:25,260
And leading up to that day was important

881
01:06:25,260 --> 01:06:30,920
as that two of my clients within the association spent,

882
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,220
they bought property 100 contract on property and lead 24.

883
01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:39,100
One closed on and 24, the other closed early 25.

884
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:45,380
both of those properties would have allowed gas station development as of right.

885
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:54,640
If any of you all do real estate frequently, especially on the commercial sphere, you know that often those contracts do diligence.

886
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:59,000
One of the things you do is to make sure you go, you can get the entitlements that you need,

887
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,640
make sure that you can get the rezoning, that you need, you can firm, that you can put the use that you want on the property.

888
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,980
When you get that confirmation, you close the deal, you hire your architect, you hire your

889
01:07:09,980 --> 01:07:17,280
engineer, you spend real money trying to get a project put together, and that's everything

890
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:25,280
that my clients were doing right up until June 10th, June 9th and 10th of last year with

891
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,140
the stroke of a pen, it appears like their legs were cut out from under them.

892
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:37,180
In the county alone, my clients have invested already in $1 million in to gas station developments.

893
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,740
And that's a big loss for them if they're not going to be able to develop those stores.

894
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,740
Yeah, they say I think everyone is familiar with the saying that ignorance of the law is no defense.

895
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:51,460
I think it bears thinking about why that's the case.

896
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:58,100
That's the case because the law's written down in a book somewhere and we can all go look at it and we can rely on it.

897
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:01,980
We know that, okay, it says, that you can't steal my car.

898
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,460
Well, I know if some of you got steals my car,

899
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,420
I can call the police and they're going to enforce that.

900
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,160
In the same way, people look at zoning regulations,

901
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:16,060
particularly as providing an idea and bearing on the value of property

902
01:08:16,060 --> 01:08:17,640
and how to make investments.

903
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:21,600
People don't make a million dollar investments based on a gamble.

904
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:24,520
They don't make a million dollar investments based on maybe actually

905
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,880
get everything from the board of the adjustments that I need.

906
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:33,000
They make those investments when they can rely on the zoning regulations and other laws and effect.

907
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,560
And that's what my clients did here.

908
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,860
And so, as I mentioned, I think the ordinance is a good ordinance.

909
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,840
I think that what it needs, however, is a transition period.

910
01:08:43,540 --> 01:08:49,900
Or we need some transition period where the moratorium is lifted for a short amount of time.

911
01:08:50,420 --> 01:08:57,380
And then, these new regulations go into effect to allow everybody who is ready to go.

912
01:08:57,460 --> 01:09:02,600
I mean, I think you can do a two week lift of the moratorium, and that would show that

913
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,140
people who really had invested their money right up to the very deadline of the moratorium,

914
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:11,940
allow them to submit their applications, allow them to get their land of service permits,

915
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:17,420
their building permits, and looking forward, you've got a clean slate, you don't have any

916
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:21,600
on the pipeline who, you know, it's going to be telling their friends who can invest money

917
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,580
in Ford County because they'll take it away with the stroke move in. You really do what's

918
01:09:25,580 --> 01:09:30,040
right. And then we look forward to these new rags that I think do directs these stores and

919
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:35,300
gas stations, so places that are best for the community. So, thank you.

920
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:43,460
Thank you. Is there anyone else here to speak in opposition to this request?

921
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,060
Hearing none, seeing

922
01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:55,420
We'll close the public hearing and I'll ask is there any discussion or any questions from the commission?

923
01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:59,980
I mean, Mr. Berners just sort of said, hey, you want to.

924
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:25,740
Address with there be a Fisher being here and bringing that up. What I'll say to that is certainly when you invest in a piece of property, it requires permitting that requires more than just any kind of property, even to build a house or to do something like that. You're somewhat engaging in speculative activity until you get your permits.

925
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:29,840
right until you have the permit, and then regulations can change.

926
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:36,280
Building regulations can change the IPMC, which is the International Property Maintenance

927
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:41,100
Code, the Building Codes, can change, and all of a sudden you may not be able to do what

928
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:42,220
you think you could do.

929
01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:43,600
Zoning can change.

930
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:49,540
Zoning can change because someone petitions for that on the property or zoning can change

931
01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:55,340
because the government itself says, oops, this property really isn't what we, you know,

932
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:59,820
It really should have been, right, future land use maps change, those sorts of things.

933
01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:10,440
In this case, the county and city both enacted more tutorials, because of a, it may have

934
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:17,640
been added to an agenda without being prior on the agenda, so we add, I don't know, to

935
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:24,300
the agenda by a four-fifth vote if that's what you guys decide to do when it's a matter

936
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:30,780
experience, right, a matter of urgency, and Bryce came to you with factors that related to

937
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,500
the unbelievable number of interests, people who had said, hey, I'm interested in putting

938
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:40,900
a store here, is this property zone properly for this? And some of them may have been

939
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:48,100
Mr. Wall's clients, some of them may have been other folks, but when, you know, he essentially

940
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:53,720
said, if we don't, you know, we don't do something. We're going to see, you think there's a ton of

941
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,280
and the administration was now, what do you see what happens?

942
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:00,400
And so you guys just have to make a decision,

943
01:12:00,740 --> 01:12:02,600
you voted to pass a moratorium.

944
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,760
But you didn't just say, from here on out,

945
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,020
there's no, you know, nobody gets to move forward.

946
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,460
You drew a line, and that line was in association

947
01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:17,020
with help from the building inspection

948
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,340
and permitting office.

949
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:22,700
They said, if you've got a land disturbance permit, right?

950
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:27,620
That means you have not just invested money, but you've actually gotten a property right from us.

951
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:35,760
You have enhanced something that says, hey, look, I can actually start moving dirt or a kind of sort of thing.

952
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,500
Then you have an expectation at that point.

953
01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:42,660
And that's where we drew the line as far as that expectation.

954
01:12:43,580 --> 01:12:46,960
And if you had that, land establish permit or anything beyond that,

955
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,480
But let's say you were passed the land of permit and you were putting up all, trying to, you know,

956
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:54,840
get your sector, you know, see what permit or sector, whatever that looked like.

957
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:59,040
You can continue to move forward, and we've got stations, I believe, in the county.

958
01:12:59,380 --> 01:13:03,960
I know there's several in the city that are in that that are continuing that process,

959
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,420
and being able to move forward like that.

960
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:09,560
You had to draw the line somewhere, right?

961
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,920
And if you say, well, you know, we're going to open it back up for a period of time.

962
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,740
Well, you know, you get this influx, this giant rush.

963
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:20,140
And now, you know, we've got, you know,

964
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:21,560
is it going to be the, you know,

965
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:23,260
it's going to be the extra number of gas stations

966
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:25,120
that Bryce was, you know, how to interest him

967
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,780
that everybody, all of a sudden, is, you know,

968
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,080
shows up and seeks that permit.

969
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:33,340
And now we're sort of right back where we started,

970
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,280
not having really fixed the issue that you guys

971
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,860
were seeking to fix.

972
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:42,400
And so, I think you picked a reasonable line to draw.

973
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:49,960
I do think that there may be some folks out there who, and again, we did work with Mr.

974
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,960
Law and his clients and try, and we can't just acknowledge things and make some changes to

975
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,500
the ordinance, but I'm sure that there are still people out there.

976
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:06,740
And we do have a variance process, the variance process is the same for, you know, and all of

977
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:11,640
this stuff that you're looking at is things that you, most of these issues have to leave

978
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,860
with things that you could seek a variance for, right?

979
01:14:14,140 --> 01:14:18,700
If you're talking about a thousand feet from another gas station, or from an

980
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:22,660
you know, excuse me, from a school or something like that, now it's not as

981
01:14:22,660 --> 01:14:28,280
a right, and I get how that is harder to sell to an investment and say, well, I'm

982
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,400
I'm going to have to go another board and ask them for an opportunity, right?

983
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:38,340
But that is out there, and I would think that certain factors might be raised

984
01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:43,120
such as the investment that, you know, that Mr. Wallace is referencing any correspondence

985
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,860
that was had prior to new to try to make sure that the zoning was appropriate when it was

986
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:52,980
purchased. You know, those sorts of things may be things that I expect that I will hear from

987
01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:59,100
Mr. Law coming in the very near future. And then the board that would consider that support of the

988
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,960
So I'm happy to answer any further questions about that, but I didn't want to sort of outline that it's not just that when we said more and more building and all these people who have got permits in our, you know, that those folks are able to keep moving forward and wherever it is. It's sort of these ones where, yeah, there was, there was some, I would like to do that, or I've almost been some money on this, but not quite ready to jump in.

989
01:15:26,660 --> 01:15:30,720
Thank you, any other questions or discussions?

990
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:34,340
Commissioner Burns.

991
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:35,640
I make a motion.

992
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:41,480
We approve amendment of Article 3, Article 4 of the ULD City,

993
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:44,820
regarding convenience stores and gas stations.

994
01:15:45,260 --> 01:15:47,740
I have a motion and a second.

995
01:15:48,140 --> 01:15:49,480
Ms. Drumler, would you call the row?

996
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,500
Commissioner Burns?

997
01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:50,940
Yes.

998
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:51,820
Commissioner Waters?

999
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:52,420
Yes.

1000
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:53,580
Commissioner Thornton?

1001
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:53,940
Yes.

1002
01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:57,560
Vice Chair Haincock, Chair Wallace? Yes. Motion carries.

1003
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:01,880
And the last item I have for you this evening is the re-adoption of the ULDC and accompanying

1004
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,200
zoning maps. We do this every January. It's a procedural thing, but it is very important.

1005
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,980
So we would greatly appreciate your support. Thank you.

1006
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:14,540
Thank you. At this time, I will open the public hearing and I will ask is there anyone

1007
01:16:14,540 --> 01:16:19,800
here to speak in favor of the re-adoption of the ULDC?

1008
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:25,490
Is there anyone here to

1009
01:16:28,810 --> 01:16:31,510
or is anyone here to speak in opposition?

1010
01:16:35,580 --> 01:16:40,200
Seeing none, hearing none will close the public hearing and I'll ask is there any discussion

1011
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,280
from the Commissioner

1012
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:45,540
Burns?

1013
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:48,820
I make a motion when you prove the re-adoption of the ULDC.

1014
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:49,500
No, second.

1015
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,440
Have a motion in a second.

1016
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,020
Ms. Drumler would you call the roll?

1017
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,020
Commissioner Burns?

1018
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:54,440
Yes.

1019
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:55,260
Commissioner Waters?

1020
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:55,840
Yes.

1021
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:56,800
Commissioner Dorton?

1022
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:57,400
Yes.

1023
01:16:57,740 --> 01:16:58,680
Vice Chair Hancock?

1024
01:16:58,740 --> 01:16:59,100
Yes.

1025
01:16:59,100 --> 01:16:59,240
Yes.

1026
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:00,520
Yes.

1027
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:09,480
Motion carries. I want to just, I want to just, before we go, I want to tell Bryce and his team. Thank you for all the hard work. There's a lot of, a lot of time.

1028
01:17:09,940 --> 01:17:14,920
Spin in that and I won't tell you from on my behalf. Thank you for all that and your team to work you do.

1029
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:20,520
You, you have to fight to get a word in with David. That's what I was going to say. Thank y'all. Thank you.

1030
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,100
Thank you, Bryce. Okay. Public hearing.

1031
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:34,060
we have no public hearings. Resolutions, we have no resolutions, and then under the Chair

1032
01:17:34,060 --> 01:17:40,320
Ms. Report, you see each commissioner has their committee assignments.

1033
01:17:43,690 --> 01:17:44,870
Do I have a motion

1034
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:46,750
to approve the committee assignment?

1035
01:17:47,090 --> 01:17:48,270
So, move. Second.

1036
01:17:48,850 --> 01:17:51,590
Have a motion in second, Mr. Hummer, would you call the roll?

1037
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:57,070
Commissioner Burns. Yes. Commissioner Waters. Yes. Commissioner Thornton. Yes.

1038
01:17:57,090 --> 01:17:59,910
Vice Chair Hancock. Yes. Chair Wallace. Yes. Motion carries.

1039
01:18:00,650 --> 01:18:04,810
And then number two is the reappointment.

1040
01:18:05,070 --> 01:18:08,750
Reappointment. Give me buyers to the Gordon Floyd development authority.

1041
01:18:09,390 --> 01:18:14,330
His term will begin immediately and then will expire on December 31,

1042
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:18,410
first 20, 28, and that comes as a motion.

1043
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:20,070
Do I have a second?

1044
01:18:21,490 --> 01:18:21,570
Second?

1045
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:22,770
Have a motion in second.

1046
01:18:22,990 --> 01:18:24,390
Is Chandler what you called a row?

1047
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:25,350
Commissioner Burns.

1048
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:26,590
Commissioner Waters.

1049
01:18:26,890 --> 01:18:27,010
Yes.

1050
01:18:27,130 --> 01:18:27,850
Commissioner Thornton.

1051
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:29,370
Chair Wallace.

1052
01:18:31,170 --> 01:18:31,570
Motion carries.

1053
01:18:32,230 --> 01:18:38,570
Next we have our commissioners reports, and I did want to report on a couple things.

1054
01:18:39,610 --> 01:18:44,010
First of all, I'd just like to take a moment to thank all of the people who

1055
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:51,870
long hours. Sometimes out in the bitter, bitter code to ensure that we were prepared for what we had.

1056
01:18:51,870 --> 01:19:01,970
We had been significant us storm. We're lucky that the storm passed us by and behind the scenes at Public Works,

1057
01:19:02,190 --> 01:19:10,690
911 EMA and police fire and all others made us all very prepared and we really appreciate all they do.

1058
01:19:10,690 --> 01:19:19,110
I didn't want to give you an also the update on the historical courthouse on Fifth Avenue.

1059
01:19:20,410 --> 01:19:24,690
Those renovations are scheduled to begin on February 3rd.

1060
01:19:26,130 --> 01:19:32,850
The law enforcement building renovations we hope to have a contract approved in March.

1061
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:40,090
That would be to finish or to start phase with the second and third floor building,

1062
01:19:40,090 --> 01:19:45,590
which will house 9-1-1, juvenile court and the tax commissioner and tag office.

1063
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:52,850
The 4th and 6th Avenue Park index will remain free and open to the public for their

1064
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:54,390
downtown parking needs.

1065
01:19:54,890 --> 01:19:57,970
So that's been a great thing for all of our citizens.

1066
01:19:58,530 --> 01:19:59,970
I did also want to...

1067
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:25,920
To thank Chief Wallace and his team, we were able to host the area monthly commissioner luncheon and we had commissioners come from five counties and it was held at the law enforcement building and we toured that and it was very nice and everyone was impressed of what we had done to that building.

1068
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:33,820
So, thank you for that, at this time, Commissioner Waters, would you like to just briefly

1069
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:40,020
want to mention that Bryce and his team have been leading a group going through the revisions

1070
01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:41,500
of the ULDC.

1071
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:46,000
It's been a very collaborative event between the city and the county, also citizens such

1072
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:53,160
as architects and builders, and then of course staff members, realtors, it is a very tedious

1073
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:58,720
process but I appreciate the good work and he hopes to have a draft maybe in a month for us.

1074
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:05,660
So thank you for that work. Yes, thank you. In the end for the airport Commissioner Burns.

1075
01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:12,860
Okay the wings over north Georgia air show is going to be April 3rd in the fourth and as of now

1076
01:21:13,660 --> 01:21:20,300
the Air Force Thunderbirds will be here. That's great. That is the Friday and Saturday

1077
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,480
Thank you for that, Commissioner Thornton.

1078
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:27,800
Thank you, Chair.

1079
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:37,020
It's honor to meet with our area commissioners like Chair Wallace said, and honored to

1080
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:40,140
help being an alternate on the airport commission.

1081
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:46,350
I've met with two different times with a fully county parks department, Todd Walford and

1082
01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:53,350
Amy Bryant owns the project on our tourism committees and had the citizen meeting of eight

1083
01:21:53,350 --> 01:22:00,110
different citizens with contact and went out and seen their concerns and had 38 contacts

1084
01:22:00,110 --> 01:22:06,430
by phone, email, text, or in person and I want to say one thing we got Captain O'Havio

1085
01:22:06,430 --> 01:22:10,630
Lone here today and I would like for her daughter to stand up.

1086
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:11,430
She won't alert.

1087
01:22:11,530 --> 01:22:16,050
She won't alert about government and she brought her here today so I think we'll give her

1088
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:24,050
Thank you, and you got one amazing mother.

1089
01:22:25,450 --> 01:22:29,490
Mr. Hancock, did you have anything you wanted to say?

1090
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:31,550
No, ma'am.

1091
01:22:31,730 --> 01:22:31,870
Okay.

1092
01:22:32,090 --> 01:22:33,030
How have you been today?

1093
01:22:34,230 --> 01:22:35,110
Managers report.

1094
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:37,130
Well, he'll be a unique attacker out for supper

1095
01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:40,010
to bring her to seven public hearings on her first album.

1096
01:22:40,590 --> 01:22:42,370
They're not all this bad or long,

1097
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:44,350
but just a couple of things

1098
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:52,410
the Commissioner Wallace mentioned the historic courthouse project and some of the other

1099
01:22:52,410 --> 01:22:56,290
projects we got going on will be starting on February 3rd. We're under contract and I was

1100
01:22:56,290 --> 01:23:01,150
to proceed that will be mobilizing over this week and starting next week. We were supposed to

1101
01:23:01,150 --> 01:23:07,250
do a ribbon cutting on our DDS facility yesterday but due to weather and statewide travel, we

1102
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:12,330
decided the state decided to postpone that. We're tentatively looking at February 24th that

1103
01:23:12,330 --> 01:23:13,990
state has not been confirmed.

1104
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:15,730
23rd or any third floor.

1105
01:23:16,330 --> 01:23:17,530
I'm stuck on that number.

1106
01:23:18,210 --> 01:23:20,350
Glenn Wood, we've mentioned that Glenn Wood

1107
01:23:20,350 --> 01:23:22,050
we've got a few additional items that

1108
01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:24,050
carried over from the last year's

1109
01:23:24,050 --> 01:23:24,710
ale in the grounds.

1110
01:23:26,170 --> 01:23:28,550
And our LEC renovation second,

1111
01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:30,030
34 years out to bed.

1112
01:23:30,250 --> 01:23:32,490
We had a pre-bed on January 25th.

1113
01:23:32,650 --> 01:23:34,210
Had nine general contractors attending

1114
01:23:34,210 --> 01:23:37,110
and bid your due on March the 12th.

1115
01:23:37,230 --> 01:23:38,290
So we're excited about that.

1116
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:40,170
We're working to still work on first four test fit

1117
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:43,870
with our judges and trying to finalize that over the coming weeks.

1118
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:46,250
Thank you, Mr. McCord.

1119
01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:49,270
Is there a attorney's report, Mr. Jackson?

1120
01:23:50,610 --> 01:23:57,250
One thing I would tell you, with the adoption of the new ordinance with the ULDC, well,

1121
01:23:57,770 --> 01:24:02,810
the re-adoption of the ULDC and the new adoption of the gas station ordinance, I will likely

1122
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:09,390
be recommending that we take action on the termination of the moratorium, probably at our next meeting.

1123
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:15,770
And that is of interest to probably to Mr. Law and some of his clients and that's the thing.

1124
01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:19,950
So we'll work on the agenda and whether or not that needs to be on the next meeting.

1125
01:24:20,130 --> 01:24:25,410
The city also did not take action last night in which I think that will give a nice opportunity for

1126
01:24:25,410 --> 01:24:31,810
Bryce to get with the actual sort of get the final draft over to the building inspection department.

1127
01:24:33,010 --> 01:24:34,630
And that's all I've got tonight.

1128
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:36,570
OK, thank you very much.

1129
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:40,950
At this time, Mr. Miller is a consent agenda in order?

1130
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:42,110
Yes, it is, Madam Chair.

1131
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:44,470
Is there a motion to approve?

1132
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:46,570
So moved.

1133
01:24:47,710 --> 01:24:49,130
Have a motion in second.

1134
01:24:49,330 --> 01:24:50,770
Mr. Miller, would you call the row?

1135
01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:51,730
Commissioner Burns.

1136
01:24:51,790 --> 01:24:52,170
Yes.

1137
01:24:52,170 --> 01:24:52,930
Commissioner Waters.

1138
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:53,330
Yes.

1139
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:54,250
Commissioner Thornton.

1140
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:54,530
Yes.

1141
01:24:54,670 --> 01:24:55,570
That's your handcock.

1142
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:55,970
Yes.

1143
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:56,570
Chair Wallace?

1144
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:57,070
Yes.

1145
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:57,730
Motion carries.

1146
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:59,970
We have no obviousness, but we...

1147
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,580
We do have two items under new business. Mr. McCourt, would you go over those for us, please?

1148
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,820
Yes, ma'am, item one, consider a quest from engineering to approve the acceptance of roads in the

1149
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:17,500
old summerville Village subdivision on the county maintenance. The roads included our casino way

1150
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:23,200
north west, sweets by drive, north west, and silver barrel lane, north west, and an associated

1151
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:28,220
detention pond. Still be under a 12-month warranty period after it's a not-supportable

1152
01:25:28,220 --> 01:25:33,660
is approved. You've heard the recommendation from our county manager is their motion to approve.

1153
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:40,360
I'm motion we approve. Second. Have a motion in second. Ms. Troma, would you call the row?

1154
01:25:40,780 --> 01:25:43,000
Commissioner Burns. Yes. Commissioner Waters. Yes.

1155
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,780
Commissioner Thornton. Yes. Vice chair Hainha. Yes. Chair Wallace. Yes. Motion carries.

1156
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,260
And not until you can see requests from police department to the free purchase and installation of

1157
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:57,260
soundproofing materials for the interview rooms in the amount of $3,400, utilizing funds from

1158
01:25:57,260 --> 01:26:04,760
1, 2, 3, 1, 9, 6, 6, 1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 1, 6, no change in the budget is required.

1159
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:08,080
This is one of the items that carried over from 2025.

1160
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,120
You've heard the recommendation from our county manager is their motion.

1161
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:13,360
Motion to approve.

1162
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:14,160
Second.

1163
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:15,260
Have a motion.

1164
01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:16,100
And second.

1165
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:17,860
Ms. Chumma, would you call the row?

1166
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:19,200
Commissioner Burns.

1167
01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:19,680
Yes.

1168
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:20,420
Commissioner Waters.

1169
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:20,920
Yes.

1170
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:21,660
Commissioner Gordon.

1171
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:22,240
Yes.

1172
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,040
Vice Chair Hancock.

1173
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:23,580
Yes.

1174
01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:31,280
Wallace? Yes. Motion carries. There's no other business, but we do have three people signed

1175
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:38,400
up to speak on non-agenda items. If you will just come to the podium to tell us your name

1176
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:43,700
and address, you will have three minutes. First is Daniel Asin.

1177
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:57,960
Good evening. My name is Daniel Asin. I live at 11 Robon Street here in town. I want to express

1178
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,880
a appreciation that the matter, the proposal,

1179
01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:07,980
was not put on the agenda tonight, and that's

1180
01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:15,940
because the appreciation is because matter such as allegations regarding elections have a

1181
01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:16,240
place.

1182
01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:24,600
They're not here, and they're not for special grandjuries that cost money, they go to the

1183
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:29,460
late election board, they hear those matters all the time, they get investigated all the

1184
01:27:29,460 --> 01:27:30,180
time.

1185
01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:33,400
The State has a budget for that purpose.

1186
01:27:34,660 --> 01:27:43,820
I just appreciate that this matter did not make it to a grand jury of folks who are

1187
01:27:43,820 --> 01:27:48,860
like me, a layperson, often don't understand all the forms in the election's office.

1188
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:55,920
I follow the elections, meticulously, I watch the state election board meetings meticulously.

1189
01:27:56,860 --> 01:28:01,960
And I don't know everything that our election staff goes through every day.

1190
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,100
I could watch for weeks and not know everything that they do.

1191
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:06,880
They get trained for that.

1192
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,980
The state election board, on the other hand, has investigators who know what to look for,

1193
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,240
who know what allegations are worthwhile and which are not.

1194
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:22,240
That's where this matter should be, and thank you for not going there.

1195
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:23,880
Thank you, sir.

1196
01:28:24,020 --> 01:28:25,220
And I would say, I'm sorry.

1197
01:28:25,660 --> 01:28:25,920
Thank you.

1198
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:32,900
I would say that it is good that this did not go to a special grand jury, because our staff at the

1199
01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:41,740
elections office shouldn't be burdened with doing, I think, six elections this year, while they're

1200
01:28:41,740 --> 01:28:45,780
being investigated by a grand jury for actions in the last election or two

1201
01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:46,980
lexons and the cycles ago.

1202
01:28:47,860 --> 01:28:54,620
It's just too much and at some point we have to also as a community that we're

1203
01:28:54,620 --> 01:28:59,240
watching too much happen to elected officials and government employees.

1204
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:00,920
It's got to stop somewhere.

1205
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:07,300
The ability has to take over and we've got to treat each other well if we have

1206
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:13,880
differences of opinions on politics, that's one thing, but to go after people, just to go after people to

1207
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:17,360
wreck the government, that's not what we should be about.

1208
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:18,920
Thank you.

1209
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:19,860
Thank you.

1210
01:29:20,460 --> 01:29:21,280
Thank you.

1211
01:29:22,020 --> 01:29:25,260
Next, we have Ms. Gloria Thacker.

1212
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:39,880
Well, this is really, I guess, I'm upset from what he was saying.

1213
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:46,780
And my question mainly is that I would like to get an answer for if y'all could do that

1214
01:29:46,780 --> 01:29:53,100
today according to what I heard it, the last meeting I will answer questions.

1215
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:59,960
And my question is whether you vote.

1216
01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:33,420
Special grand jury, or not, I feel like the people of our time on dates to at least hear from, you know, the reason, whether it's, you know, one person, you write up something and you explain to the people, the taxpayers here,

1217
01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:49,420
Why you don't want this done, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that you should that you're going to do it or we're going to be just out with you real good because you don't do it.

1218
01:30:49,420 --> 01:31:17,600
But as our commissioners and we took you in office, we deserve an explanation as to why you know or how you want that hand on, at least something and not just the way it appears now to me and a lot of people, it's just being thrown out to the trash and it's not no big deal and I'm not saying that's the way it is.

1219
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:40,040
I'm just saying that's the way, and I'm sure y'all know there's more people that wants answers for that than there is that don't want any answers and that is, you know, what we have have you for or that's what, you know, I've always thought and then too

1220
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:47,960
Um, my question, another question that I have is, um,

1221
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:58,830
when in and how did you decide that you're not going to put something on the agenda?

1222
01:32:01,190 --> 01:32:01,930
Would be.

1223
01:32:02,230 --> 01:32:04,170
I think those are two fair questions.

1224
01:32:04,450 --> 01:32:04,670
Okay.

1225
01:32:04,810 --> 01:32:09,370
And I'm going to ask our attorney Chris Jackson to explain that process that has been

1226
01:32:09,370 --> 01:32:11,350
explained over several times.

1227
01:32:11,410 --> 01:32:12,530
Maybe not in this forum.

1228
01:32:12,530 --> 01:32:19,290
But I'll just I'll let Chris give an opportunity or Jamie or somebody else to give an opportunity to explain our process

1229
01:32:19,290 --> 01:32:21,130
Or you're you are with that Chris?

1230
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:22,630
I certainly can

1231
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:29,090
So we've got a loser procedure for the Floyd County Board Commission and

1232
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:30,690
Under the rules of procedure

1233
01:32:31,730 --> 01:32:38,530
And this is as to the second question because that's really more what I can speak to is is procedure right

1234
01:32:40,890 --> 01:32:47,350
But as to the agenda, the agenda is under section 1-07.

1235
01:32:47,650 --> 01:32:50,630
It says the county clerk under the direction of the manager.

1236
01:32:50,910 --> 01:32:51,870
That would be the county manager.

1237
01:32:52,450 --> 01:32:57,070
Mr. McCord, shall prepare an agenda of subjects to be acted on for each meeting.

1238
01:32:57,730 --> 01:33:03,070
An agenda work session held by the county manager shall be held prior to the regular meeting to finalize the agenda.

1239
01:33:03,770 --> 01:33:06,730
The chairman and all commissioners may participate in the work session.

1240
01:33:06,730 --> 01:33:16,570
When ever a quorum of the Board is present for an agenda work session, the meeting shall be open to the public and all notice and record keeping requirements applicable to an open meeting must be met.

1241
01:33:17,150 --> 01:33:22,650
The agenda shall be made available to the commissioners, at least one business day before every board meeting.

1242
01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:34,370
And as a next short paragraph, one sentences says members of the public may request that a particular subject be placed on the agenda for the following meeting.

1243
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:40,470
To be considered, this request must be submitted to the cleric and receive prior to the agenda meeting, okay?

1244
01:33:41,230 --> 01:33:44,950
The agenda meeting is typically held on Thursdays. Every now and again has to be moved.

1245
01:33:45,370 --> 01:33:51,950
It is not a meeting that is noticed because we don't typically have a core in there. If we did have a core, we we would now

1246
01:33:51,950 --> 01:33:57,870
Some of y'all have attended those meetings on occasion, especially if there's something specific that you feel like

1247
01:33:57,870 --> 01:34:02,590
You have want to make sure it gets on the agenda or a contract or something that you're concerned about.

1248
01:34:02,590 --> 01:34:12,550
My understanding is that, by practice, the department heads have to have agenda items that they would like on the agenda about Wednesday at noon.

1249
01:34:12,710 --> 01:34:13,230
Is that right?

1250
01:34:13,790 --> 01:34:20,090
And so, by Wednesday at noon, a department head, if they want to have a contract approved, they have to have it to the county manager.

1251
01:34:20,910 --> 01:34:21,530
By that time.

1252
01:34:21,810 --> 01:34:28,490
However, just because they make a department head, just because a department head makes a request to have something on the agenda.

1253
01:34:28,490 --> 01:34:31,110
It doesn't mean that we'll necessarily get on the agenda.

1254
01:34:31,550 --> 01:34:39,490
Various concerns and considerations are taken into account by the county clerk under the supervision of the county manager.

1255
01:34:40,510 --> 01:34:46,590
Those things sometimes do with the fact that they know that we have seven public hearings that might be on an agenda for any evening.

1256
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:57,210
And so therefore they say, well, we're going to defer that contract to another time or I'm not sure that we're ready to approve that agreement or whatever that may happen to be.

1257
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:59,810
But what they do is they prepare.

1258
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,040
A draft agenda, but they don't have the final say so on what's on the agenda. The agenda gets approved

1259
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:13,780
here in public at the county commission meeting. And let me say this, I think commissioners can request

1260
01:35:13,780 --> 01:35:22,100
that things go on the agenda if they want to. But I think it's still a request. I think that in times

1261
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:40,820
It may not, I don't know how often it happens nowadays, because I think there's a fairly collaborative, you know, sort of, where are we on this agreement, where are we on that, but I think there have been times in the past where there's been request by commissioners to have something on the agenda that's not been put on the agenda.

1262
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,460
And, you know, so they have a remedy for that, though.

1263
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:51,180
And the remedy is this four-fifths sort of a request to add something

1264
01:35:52,300 --> 01:35:56,200
to, you know, to amend the agenda before the agenda is approved.

1265
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:01,240
And so any commissioner can make a motion, whether they get asked by an individual

1266
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,380
from the public or they just have their own thing that they feel like

1267
01:36:04,380 --> 01:36:05,380
needs to be on the agenda.

1268
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,220
If it didn't make the advertised and published agenda, then they can make a motion

1269
01:36:09,220 --> 01:36:14,940
for that, if there's a second time, then there's a vote, and if it proves and it's required

1270
01:36:14,940 --> 01:36:19,340
not just a simple majority, but a four-fifths majority to add something, since it would be

1271
01:36:19,340 --> 01:36:26,460
a matter of exagency or a matter of importance to add that evening, it can be added to the

1272
01:36:26,460 --> 01:36:26,760
agenda.

1273
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:35,100
And if it gets added to the agenda, then that becomes the agenda then gets voted on and we

1274
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:35,520
move forward.

1275
01:36:35,580 --> 01:36:37,900
We see that happen from time to time, stuff gets added.

1276
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:40,260
But also, we see stuff that doesn't get added.

1277
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:41,880
Hey, we're going to have to punt that.

1278
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,020
Well, we've made a decision tonight not to add.

1279
01:36:45,620 --> 01:36:47,940
Well, I sort of said, hey, do you guys want to,

1280
01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:51,480
is there anybody who's going to want to add the termination

1281
01:36:51,480 --> 01:36:53,720
of the moratorium on the agenda tonight?

1282
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,280
You also sort of said, let's not do that.

1283
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,940
I mean, you know, nobody made a motion on that.

1284
01:36:59,020 --> 01:37:00,360
I mean, there was some discussion about it,

1285
01:37:00,660 --> 01:37:03,680
but I think for a price of staff and for the other staff,

1286
01:37:04,140 --> 01:37:06,080
nobody made a motion based on their comment.

1287
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:32,940
So that's how agendas get set and, you know, the setting of an agenda is certainly a serious process, but if, you know, what I, what I don't read in any of these rules is something that says that any person, any one person gets to other than the fact that the county manager and the county clerk are in charge of putting together a draft agenda, that anyone person gets to just demand,

1288
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:38,000
And hey, look, I want this on the agenda, and it goes on the agenda without there being

1289
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,740
some process and procedure for that.

1290
01:37:41,180 --> 01:37:46,620
And I think that's a good thing because, again, that sort of keeps government wheels moving.

1291
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:51,200
This is, I know for a lot of folks, this feels like a place you come and have a discussion

1292
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,000
and get here what's going on, and it is.

1293
01:37:53,260 --> 01:37:53,800
And it should be.

1294
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,980
But it is also the only place that these five people can be in the same room together

1295
01:37:57,980 --> 01:37:58,840
and conduct business.

1296
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:06,200
all the contracts that have to be approved and all the, I mean, you know, you know, they don't spend a general, you've got a $5,000.

1297
01:38:06,460 --> 01:38:10,520
You can spend without asking them to ask him anyway, but you, you, you can, you, you can, it may be a little more than that.

1298
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:19,280
It's a 25, 20,000. So, anyway, that's not a habit that Mr. McCormons to get into doing is just doing that.

1299
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:23,480
And so these, all these things, this is the opportunity for these guys to do that.

1300
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:28,060
And so, they need to set what goes on the agenda, and they do that in their discretion.

1301
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:34,540
And, you know, because of that, because not everything necessarily can be in a agenda item,

1302
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:41,960
they've adopted rules that are not required of them under Georgia law, which is to have

1303
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,840
a public comment period about things that aren't even on the agenda, an opportunity for you

1304
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,400
to do this, right, for you to stand up and have a chance to chat about something that you

1305
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:57,420
bill is important. And of no. And if that gets through to the commission, then maybe at

1306
01:38:57,420 --> 01:39:00,840
another agenda meeting, guess what? That will be on the agenda. And we've seen that happen.

1307
01:39:00,860 --> 01:39:07,340
We've seen people come up and bring an issue that does end up on the agenda. And so some

1308
01:39:07,340 --> 01:39:11,660
places make you register a head of time if you want to be on the agenda. If you want to have,

1309
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,760
not in on the agenda. If you want to speak about a matter not on the agenda, you just want

1310
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:20,100
to have public comment. They make you register by a certain time ahead of time, even to

1311
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:26,040
to get to talk about that. And whatever you want to talk about. So it's a balance.

1312
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:33,720
But that's the procedural understanding that I have. I don't know that is that helpful.

1313
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:42,220
Okay. Thank you. Okay. And I understand, excuse me, what you are just saying, but the question,

1314
01:39:42,220 --> 01:39:55,560
And my main question is, why do, as Council members, do y'all not want to talk, I mean

1315
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,980
even if we had a community meeting, like they had on the data set?

1316
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:20,940
Why do you not want to talk about it? That would be a question. I feel like that one of the commissioners should answer not the attorney because that's what I'm asking is why y'all don't want to talk about it. Not like you don't want to per se put it on the agenda.

1317
01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:32,960
But I mean, this is something that, to me, my main concern, and David knows my family, and he knows me.

1318
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,100
My main concern, you're three minutes.

1319
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,400
Well, I didn't talk for three minutes.

1320
01:40:38,660 --> 01:40:41,680
We didn't have the time.

1321
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:46,220
Well, it's just like, you know, it makes me feel like, just like,

1322
01:40:46,220 --> 01:40:56,840
He said that he and that's why I came tonight because he didn't make the statement that y'all would answer questions, and y'all never

1323
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:02,820
I do want to, it kind of just make one comment. The the question regarding

1324
01:41:03,620 --> 01:41:13,120
The allegations regarding elections the appropriate place for those to be handled are the at the state election board and that's why we

1325
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,660
suggested that remedy to the individual.

1326
01:41:16,900 --> 01:41:18,640
That's the best approach to deal with it.

1327
01:41:18,700 --> 01:41:21,560
They're the people who are best educated, most knowledgeable,

1328
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,700
have a process, and said that is what we said.

1329
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:26,640
And I still stand by that.

1330
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:27,160
I agree.

1331
01:41:29,900 --> 01:41:31,420
I mean, like I say,

1332
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:36,540
I'm concerned to my children, my grandchildren,

1333
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:39,820
and the way wrong is going right now.

1334
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:46,720
I lose sleep, I don't know what I got, but I lose sleep, but not worried about my kids and all

1335
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,480
the stuff that is going on.

1336
01:41:49,300 --> 01:41:57,480
And one thing could you answer me, you say, like the Facebook stuff, everything's on Facebook.

1337
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:07,200
Where can we go, other than there, where can people go to get their word out, or to get, if

1338
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:14,220
got something going on about the time, we can go other day and face the good.

1339
01:42:14,420 --> 01:42:17,140
I would be happy to give you my cell phone number after this meeting.

1340
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:20,240
If you got any questions, call me and ask me.

1341
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,420
And we will, we will, we've got your name, Mr. Thacker.

1342
01:42:24,620 --> 01:42:25,260
If you will stay.

1343
01:42:25,780 --> 01:42:26,680
That's after one.

1344
01:42:26,980 --> 01:42:31,020
We'll make sure you have our email addresses and our cell phone numbers.

1345
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,840
They're all online on the Floyd County website, OK?

1346
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:38,080
But each person only has three minutes to speak.

1347
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:39,280
And that's fine.

1348
01:42:39,540 --> 01:42:40,260
Thank you.

1349
01:42:40,440 --> 01:42:42,120
Next up, we have the grant.

1350
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:47,940
I do just would say, I do think that there's some of, I mean, there was, there wasn't

1351
01:42:47,940 --> 01:42:55,740
Addressing that things were addressed by the, by the election's director at the last election's board meeting.

1352
01:42:56,020 --> 01:42:57,740
It was on front page of the paper.

1353
01:42:57,820 --> 01:42:58,260
Right.

1354
01:42:58,700 --> 01:42:59,360
And so anyone.

1355
01:42:59,960 --> 01:43:00,040
Yeah.

1356
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:01,300
Thank you for that.

1357
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:01,840
Grant.

1358
01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:09,040
Grant Miller.

1359
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:15,940
carries springs road. So specifically I would come to tell you this that you all do listen

1360
01:43:15,940 --> 01:43:23,340
the county apartments, listen, city managers office listen. Back in November, a petition

1361
01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:28,420
was submitted about paving that needed be done a mountain view road above the golf course

1362
01:43:28,420 --> 01:43:33,420
where I live right there off Calrier. And you all heard that I called in, I spoke to John,

1363
01:43:33,420 --> 01:43:38,280
And it's being investigated, y'all looking at ways to make that happen.

1364
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:42,380
It might not be quick, but again, you all listen.

1365
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:50,220
And I want to make sure that's known that at every form y'all have answered questions,

1366
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,860
y'all all listen to us.

1367
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:54,940
And I want to make sure y'all hear that.

1368
01:43:54,940 --> 01:43:56,560
And everyone's room, here's that.

1369
01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:59,300
That all citizens have a voice here.

1370
01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:01,680
They can make their concerns known.

1371
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:07,300
And I'm going to give place, I come to a lot of means for many years, I try to attend a lot.

1372
01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:14,040
And a lot of what she has just mentioned, you all have addressed multiple times.

1373
01:44:14,860 --> 01:44:17,760
And y'all are amazing in every way to serve in y'all's capacities.

1374
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:22,060
The office in John, I called you several times this past week.

1375
01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:28,940
Something simple as a traffic light that's having issues, or something else.

1376
01:44:28,940 --> 01:44:35,040
All departments every time there's response by maybe it's not always quick

1377
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:44,920
But there's rules and things you have to go through in these processes and I'm very privileged to be involved in serve committee passes community

1378
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:49,840
To know that we have great people here in Rome and Floyd County

1379
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:58,720
We have one of the most amazing cities and counties here probably in the state we're regularly recognized for what all we do is the community

1380
01:44:58,940 --> 01:44:59,880
so

1381
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
Again, I want to thank you all, but it's simple like there's sometimes a disconnect that happens, like taking straight. It took forever get paved. It's state controlled. Like, we can all go speak up, but again, there's so much that we can do related to getting that done. There's funding. There's different comments that didn't be made. There's processes. But you all hear, listen. You all hear all the time extra questions.

1382
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,980
multiple times. Y'all go above and beyond in every way. So again, I just want to say thank

1383
01:45:35,980 --> 01:45:40,140
you, the people above, the golf course, thank your office for taking their

1384
01:45:40,140 --> 01:45:43,680
petition, look at it, paving that road. Again, thank you all.

1385
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:44,560
Thank you.

1386
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:51,080
We did go into executive session tonight to discuss

1387
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:57,820
property acquisitions and personnel. There was no vote taken. This time we are adjourned.