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minutes John mland I 1780 CH Circle in
[1:08] Charleston I want to tell you that I
watched the July meeting on YouTube so I
[1:12] have some idea what you talked about
last time uh I only had three minutes I
[1:16] want to focus on the survey you've
probably seen the the survey that's been
[1:20] suggested I haven't but these are ideas
that I'd like to mention to you first of
[1:24] all when you survey the hospitality
workers I like the idea about that was
[1:28] mentioned last time about full-time
employees I suggest you consider
[1:31] full-time maybe 30 to 32 hours
considering the kind of people that work
[1:36] here and uh while you're doing the
survey I think it wouldn't be a bad idea
[1:41] if you ask these uh employers how much
parking they need during the day so when
[1:48] you make this report to the city council
you can mention those twoo because I'm
[1:52] hoping that you'll Focus most of your
attention on housing for the city
[1:58] employees but I think it would be nice
if the city knew how much housing they
[2:02] needed for the workforce housing and
parking and maybe could focus the city
[2:07] could at least try to get some decent
parking the other survey for Public
[2:11] Safety is important because if you don't
know how much housing you need there's
[2:15] no way to be able to plan so that's a
big deal uh this I am a landl I have
[2:22] four long-term uh rentals already and if
you sent me a question and we wanted to
[2:27] survey for instance my annual L raid the
number of bedrooms the number of
[2:32] bathrooms I also suggest you ask
about the HVAC of HVAC systems whether
[2:39] they have those in Windows it'll give
you an idea how old the property is and
[2:44] uh the square footage and the rental
rate per month frankly if you send me
[2:48] that letter and ask me I'm not sure I
want to send it back to you because I
[2:52] consider some of this s proprietary my
suggestion to you is when you send me
[2:57] the letter you also send me four post
post cards so I can write down from each
[3:02] one of my units exactly these questions
put down the information and send it to
[3:06] you anonymously I know that's 105
postcards or whatever how many people
[3:11] there are but I think you will get a
more accurate survey I'm probably not
[3:15] the only person that doesn't want to
actually divulge how much they pay
[3:20] whether it's high or low mine are
probably low but I still don't think you
[3:24] have a right to see all that stuff so
think about that when you do the survey
[3:29] probably just about our time uh I think
you should focus on city
[3:35] employees and I made a proposal in 2017
as to how to do this and if you haven't
[3:41] seen that proposal you should at least
read it to give you an idea of how you
[3:45] might be able to do that if I have
another few seconds the only problem
[3:50] with doubling down on density is trying
to figure out whether or not you're
[3:55] going to do any harm to the
environment if we're going to add some
[3:59] extra housing in the single family for
special special pilot program the
[4:04] question should be who does the who uses
the most water an istr with five or six
[4:11] bedrooms or a single family who's got a
garage apartment for a police employee
[4:17] that information is available to you
through the water department and if you
[4:20] can solve that problem and say it's less
than these people then it would be
[4:25] easier to convince the city council the
mayor and the general public that this
[4:29] is a good
idea I think we done thank you very
[4:35] much thanks
[4:40] CH okay I don't have to go over there
now I'll introduce our speaker uh I have
[4:46] a friend who works in the zoning
department for the city of charlon so I
[4:49] reached out to her and asked who should
I be asking to come speak to this um
[4:55] this committee about affordable housing
and and second she suggested Giana Shaw
[5:01] Johnson um Miss Johnson is an employee
of the City of Charleston she's the
[5:05] director of the Department of Housing
and Community Development there she has
[5:09] a presentation for you and then she'll
also be available to answer
[5:14] questions at least I hope so sounds like
the gentlemen that just sat down might
[5:19] have the answers though so thank you all
for the opportunity to be with you this
[5:24] evening um always um good to share
information uh we believe even best
[5:30] practices meaning if we have some idea
of what's working in our community we're
[5:34] glad to share it with other communities
so um we don't want to recreate the
[5:38] wheel as they say so um Jenna made it
clear that it was a 7 p.m. start time
[5:45] and I said oh my God close to my bedtime
kidding but anyway glad to be here with
[5:50] you this evening uh as you all know
mayor cogwell is now our mayor of the
[5:54] City of Charleston and he likes to say
he's still drinking from the fire hose
[5:59] but doing a really good job so far um so
a little bit about the Department of
[6:04] Housing and Community Development um we
are one of 14 departments in the City of
[6:09] Charleston our mission is to facilitate
the creation of affordable and Workforce
[6:14] housing preserve existing housing
through three Rehabilitation programs
[6:20] create wealth opportunities through our
firsttime home home buyer program or
[6:24] home ownership program is the find here
provide housing and related services to
[6:30] the unsheltered and vulnerable in the
Charleston Community as well as admin
[6:35] administer federal state and local
funding and those funding sources and I
[6:40] have to remind my staff not to use
acronyms it's so hard not to do that but
[6:45] federal dollars include the Community
Development block grant funds home
[6:49] investment partnership program funds
housing opportunities with persons with
[6:54] AIDS as well as other funding sources
that we have pursued and attain all
[6:59] around this issue of housing creation
and pres uh preservation that's a little
[7:05] U snapshot of my staff I think a few
more have been added since then but that
[7:10] gives you a sense of who we are it's
about 14 to 15 of us in the um
[7:14] Department of Housing and Community
Development we support um what we call a
[7:19] spectrum of housing literally everything
from your homeless shelters we've given
[7:24] to that annually uh as far back as mayor
Riley being in service so so that's been
[7:29] a number of years transitional housing
is one that the federal government does
[7:34] not support very strongly now but we
find it critical for those that are
[7:38] unsheltered and homeless because it orig
it absolutely gives them a place to get
[7:43] off of the street public housing are
those that are managed by your public
[7:47] housing authorities and I would just say
public housing authorities manage public
[7:51] housing but in many cases they also have
private housing uh especially the City
[7:57] of Charleston theirs is literally
located
[7:59] throughout the City of Charleston itself
then what we call permanent multif
[8:04] family rental housing is anything really
permanent permanent from the standpoint
[8:08] of typically there is an afford an
affordability restriction excuse me or
[8:14] Covenant that is attached to that
housing as little as 20 years sometimes
[8:19] as long as 90 I'll talk about that more
later on and there then fair market
[8:24] rental housing which is essentially um
housing that is is um priced at the at
[8:31] the market levels and then of course
home ownership or for self housing and
[8:36] even though I'm from Charleston I talk
fast but y'all if you need me to stop at
[8:40] any point I'm glad to do that um so some
of the information I have um or I'm
[8:46] presenting to you this evening is
straight from our comprehensive plan
[8:50] that was done last year and I think
honestly those are the more recent
[8:54] pieces of data although we are pulling
some from specific places um today 42%
[9:00] of Charleston's households are cost
burdened and I think Jenna may have had
[9:05] that term in some of the information
she's presented to you previously it
[9:10] essentially means they're paying more
than 30% of their income on either rent
[9:15] or on their mortgage and so that's
essentially what 30% means that term has
[9:20] come from the federal government it also
is associated with your private sector
[9:26] financing because
typically your seers don't want to have
[9:31] you pay more than three times your
income in a mortgage and so one of the
[9:35] things that is pointed out here
neighborhoods with the majority of
[9:38] blacks or Africans
African-Americans are more than twice as
[9:43] likely to be cost burdened what you see
here on the screen gives you a sense of
[9:48] in the City of Charleston what's
happening West Ashley Peninsula which is
[9:53] downtown John's Island James Island a
portion of K Hoy Peninsula is also City
[9:59] and then Citywide and so yes we like
many other areas in our community have
[10:05] challenges when it comes to cost for the
other challenges that many communities
[10:11] across our state and Nation oh thank you
I appreciate that um household incomes
[10:17] often are not keeping up with the cost
of um housing costs as you all know
[10:23] we've seen a rise in housing costs
especially over the last 3 to four years
[10:27] Co exacerbated some of the costs that
we're seeing with the cost of
[10:31] construction the lack of supplies that
are available so it um it caused a
[10:36] ripple effect that did not affect us in
a positive way and so many times we have
[10:41] seen that um prices increased at 54%
while income was at 30 31% so naturally
[10:49] it creates a gap and so then the
question becomes how is that Gap filled
[10:53] and so often times persons like yourself
and other elected officials have to Gra
[10:59] with that bring in folks and look at
strategies that might um enable us to
[11:05] address that for your information this
is the the income ranges that we look at
[11:10] when we're determining um who we can
assist so literally the area median
[11:16] income for the City of Charleston when
you look at a family of four making 80%
[11:22] of the area median income that family
makes $84,700
[11:27] um now my planner friends would say
gaana that may be true but when we look
[11:33] at incomes in our community they aren't
actually there and so how do we help
[11:38] them when they're trying to buy housing
and so one of the things we do is we
[11:43] look at subsidy we look at firsttime
home biyo programs we look at Financial
[11:47] packages with banks so that they can
give lesser interest rate there are
[11:51] strategies that are deployed in order to
address that and I will just say when I
[11:55] saw these numbers and I saw a family of
four at 100 % of the area median income
[12:01] making
$105,000 I was like oh my God we will
[12:05] never be able to um get people in
housing but it it's happening um and we
[12:10] are doing things that are working at the
level we want absolutely not um but we
[12:15] are still pressing forward to um ensure
that home ownership happens as well as
[12:20] rental and I do have some handouts so
before I leave I'd like to share that
[12:25] with the commission you can go to the
next slide um so as our planning team in
[12:31] the city looked at our comprehensive
plan and I said last year that was
[12:36] actually late 21 early 22 when city
council approved the comprehensive plan
[12:42] as you all know that's done every 10
years and so what they shared with us is
[12:47] they did an analysis of the housing
component is that we needed
[12:53] 16,31 units by the end of the decade or
by 2030 essentially more you need that
[13:00] many more or you need total total more
than what we have now um in addition to
[13:06] that so you lead me right into my next
statement um based on the incomes of the
[13:12] current population based on that
analysis there were 7,000 lowincome
[13:17] housing units that are needed just to
meet the existing need and so when we
[13:23] think about low income we think about
those persons that make 50% or below the
[13:29] area meiting income can you go back to
that chart right quick for me so 30% is
[13:34] the First Column here and so you're
looking at a household of one that might
[13:39] make
$22,000 a year and so typically that's
[13:43] the range when we're talking about
extremely low very low are those that
[13:48] are making 50% and below that area
median income number so when you hear
[13:54] that that's essentially what folks are
talking about
[14:00] um right now in the City of Charleston
and honestly I think this this
[14:05] particular slide's a little old but we
have
[14:07] approximately 5,400 existing affordable
homes in the City of Charleston often
[14:13] times that is referred to now is
naturally occurring affordable housing
[14:18] or Noah um when I first heard that term
I giggled because I thought is there
[14:23] anything naturally occurring right now
in the City of Charleston if we aren't
[14:26] creating it there are ways to preserve
housing um but those are our numbers as
[14:32] far as housing that exists right now
that are affordable there are
[14:37] proximately 1600 units proposed or
committed through our plan unit
[14:41] development so we are continuing despite
some of the challenges I mentioned to um
[14:47] facilitate the development of housing
through puds and other ways City
[14:51] Planning Department along with our
department M created what we call a
[14:55] dashboard so we could remain a breast of
all this that we're doing um literally
[15:00] from start to finish one of the other
reasons we wanted to create the
[15:04] dashboard is because we have um began
the implementation of an expedited
[15:09] review process so we're actually
challenging ourselves to see how quickly
[15:14] we can get um developments from
commencement to actually going vertical
[15:20] and then get a certificate of occupancy
and I would just say y'all won look at
[15:24] us right now because we're still
struggling just slightly to fine-tune
[15:28] that but we are moving forward in the
right direction next slide so here are a
[15:33] few examples of what I call our
firsttime home ownership and I think
[15:38] these were the last ones we have about
14 or more going up right now 10 of
[15:44] those are attached Town Homes three are
scattered site but essentially we um
[15:50] have under our firsttime home ownership
initiative a process by which we engage
[15:56] um private sector developers or
nonprofit Developers velers the city has
[16:00] typically acquired a land or a parcel
and we transfer that land and that
[16:05] parcel via a development agreement to
that entity and they have to produce
[16:10] housing for us and so in this case this
is in what we call the East Side
[16:15] neighborhood six of these cute little um
I wanted to say Town Homes but these are
[16:20] single family detached homes are built
these are two and a half um baths two
[16:26] bedrooms I think um we call that father
grants court and so the city probably
[16:32] invested in subsidy about
$85,000 per each one of those houses and
[16:37] we did that in order to ensure that Gap
I talked about earlier to ensure that
[16:43] that um that subsidy existed so that
those who were interested in purchasing
[16:50] could do that and what does that
essentially mean they still have to
[16:53] qualify for a mortgage um we are making
it easier for them to remain in their
[16:58] home if they Desire by putting subsidy
in the interesting part about these
[17:03] homes are and people um stare at me
really intently when I say that these
[17:08] have 90-year restrictive covenants on it
meaning that these homes can only be
[17:12] sold to people in the 50 to 120% income
range the investment of that subsidy
[17:18] that we make follows each um individual
we have a what we call a transfer
[17:23] agreement um and that subsidy follows
that individual every time that house is
[17:28] sold so so if I bought it I would get
the benefit of that $80,000 if you
[17:32] bought it you would get the benefit of
that $80,000 and essentially what that
[17:36] does is reduce the amount of First
Mortgage that that individual has to
[17:41] pursue so it increases the likelihood of
home ownership for folks who haven't
[17:46] owned it before under our program for
the firsttime home buyer program um you
[17:52] cannot have owned in home in three years
or there's some other um um tragic um
[17:59] situation that may occur death or um
divorce that enables you to come back to
[18:04] a program considered first time home
Mothership um this is another example
[18:11] this happens to be a rental development
um one of the things and I thought I had
[18:17] these before in pictures but anyway
pictures keep everybody um interested in
[18:21] what I'm talking about um one of the
things that are that's critical for us
[18:26] as we develop both rental and forell
housing is money and partnership
[18:31] naturally and I'll cover it before I'm
done here there are other factors that
[18:35] contribute to that but the key for us is
those partners that can bring to bear
[18:40] these types of development within a
specified period of time and then any
[18:45] incentives and additional cash that the
city might have in order to invest in
[18:49] making that happen in this case this is
what we call an affordable housing
[18:54] lowincome housing tax credit development
this is in the West Ashley community
[18:59] beautifully designed um and I will just
say there are no exceptions to design
[19:04] requirements from affordable to market
rate in the city everybody goes through
[19:09] the same grueling process it can be
quite grueling um Bulls Creek is the
[19:15] name of this one $16 million development
cost the city invested about $2.6
[19:21] million and we call bond funds and I'll
mention those to you later when we talk
[19:25] about um funding opportunities that help
these things come to poition next one
[19:32] this is another more recently built on
Peninsula Charleston um this is what we
[19:37] refer to as the James Lewis Jr
Apartments this is actually named after
[19:41] a city council member that was on
council at one point um this was
[19:47] actually built on a pile where we remov
the old um Ravenel Bridge from so a
[19:54] portion of that land these are built
upon so this was
[19:59] interesting because the city also in
addition to bond funds invested Tiff
[20:03] funds because the infrastructure at this
particular site was a little bit more
[20:08] expensive than what you see normally
because there were pilings underneath
[20:12] the ground because the bridges spans
were moved from this particular site but
[20:17] this again is another opportunity of
rental housing in the community um this
[20:22] was funded through M majority of those
funds came from lwi income housing tax
[20:27] credit development but again if you
notice the city put about 7.5 million
[20:32] both between the bond and the Tiff funds
um and I'll make y'all laugh because I
[20:37] remind my city council members of this
when we first introduced this idea and
[20:41] we brought a development team in they um
that was many years ago but they were
[20:47] indicating that it would cost 15 million
and my real estate committee said Giana
[20:51] it just could not be that we have to pay
15 million for um affordable rental
[20:56] housing and so it did not give approved
well unfortunately about 7 to8 years
[21:02] later we paid $28
million to have rental housing approved
[21:08] in in the case of this development um
especially where city land is involved
[21:13] because there was an investment of city
land the city enters into what we call
[21:18] an option to lease and a ground lease
which essentially means that um the
[21:23] developer who built this um owns it or
rents it from the city for 6 years so
[21:29] it'll be affordable for 60 years at the
end of that time frame the city gets
[21:34] both the land and the improvements back
so the city can continue providing this
[21:39] housing for perpetuity if it chooses or
whatever it deems most appropriate for
[21:44] that
time um this is another smaller
[21:48] development one of the things that we
find is many of our churches and other
[21:52] faith based Partners have land sometimes
they have um houses and they don't know
[21:57] what to do with it them often times they
lack the technical assistance we have
[22:02] engaged an organization called Pastor
Inc they helped uh New Israel reform
[22:08] Episcopal Church who owned um this was
vacant property in on this particular
[22:15] site and we invested Federal our home
investment partnership program funds
[22:20] which are federal dollars
$250,000 overall cost was a million
[22:26] again these are rental opportunities and
I think four or more total in this
[22:31] particular development um because it
takes a little bit more handholding and
[22:36] we don't have staff capacity to do that
we worked with a nonprofit group to
[22:41] basically help the church get this done
the church is the recipient of the
[22:45] funding the rental income that comes
from that so then they can invest it
[22:48] accordingly in other pieces of land or
however they deem appropriate other
[22:53] Ministries that they might have so um
they can be a little onerous about
[22:57] getting it done but at the end of the
day they're always happy when it comes
[23:01] to fruition um next one please what I
have for you here are the various
[23:07] funding sources that we use in order to
facilitate the development of housing
[23:12] the bond funding was actually a Geo bond
fund that the residents of the City of
[23:18] Charleston approved back in
2017 so it's taken us five or more years
[23:23] to really bring those to fruition um a
lot of that was hampered by by what
[23:29] state housing did or the changes they
made to the regulations governing the
[23:34] low-income housing tax credit so there
are more housing to come but the bond
[23:38] funds typically um allow for a lot of
flexibility um developers are
[23:43] consistently asking me now di winter y'
going to do another Bond allocation
[23:48] naturally is not up to me but the
citizens I think that was one of those
[23:53] um um items that were on the agenda that
received like 80% um of the the vote of
[24:00] support from our community settlement
funds were involved the city was
[24:04] involved in a lawsuit where we were able
to get about $10 million we invested
[24:09] that in housing and are in fact getting
a return on some of those dollars so in
[24:14] some instances we invest money um as a
deferred loan or deferred forgivable
[24:19] loan based on what is going on with the
strategy of that particular development
[24:24] and the idea is is that we have money
revolving back so that we can invest it
[24:29] again um then there is what we call our
fee and L funding that comes Jenna from
[24:35] our mix Workforce zoning ordinance
essentially developers opt into a
[24:40] particular zoning they're required to
build a certain number of affordable
[24:45] units on site if they don't they have to
pay us a fee and so we have probably
[24:51] garnered over the last 10 years about
$12 million in the fan Lo fund and so it
[24:57] is enable the city to both acquire land
and subsidize construction um of other
[25:04] properties in many cases so it's a again
a nice way to um have a a coffer of
[25:10] non-federal funds that enables you to um
do the work that is required uh program
[25:16] income funds are those funds again that
revolve back to us often those are
[25:21] associated with our federal funds and
again usually there is a note in
[25:26] mortgage and everything that we do do
and so it's just a matter of whether we
[25:30] have funding rolling back to us or the
nature of that project um is such that
[25:36] we have granted those funds but what the
note in mortgage is important because it
[25:42] ensures that they carry out what we've
intended and if they don't then there's
[25:47] another challenge that we have to face
usually successfully tax increment
[25:52] Finance funding the Tiff funding um I
guess it's been 3 to 5 years ago state
[25:58] legislators allowed us to utilize Tiff
funding for affordable housing that was
[26:04] not always the case um but we're glad
that we're able to do that now because
[26:09] it allows for infrastructure costs to be
paid as well as construction costs so
[26:14] that can be very helpful when you're
putting these deals together ax funds
[26:19] are ones that they just approved this is
24 maybe last year if not late 22
[26:26] Accommodations Tax funding which is real
important for our community um and so
[26:32] some communities have already secured
those we are literally just finalizing
[26:36] our proposal to State housing and I
believe we will receive approximately $2
[26:42] million um from that my CFO is changing
that number a little on me but the idea
[26:47] again is that will go towards either
acquisition or construction of housing
[26:52] in our community and then I mentioned
the litech or low income housing tax
[26:56] credit that is ad administered by the
state Housing Finance and Development
[27:01] Authority so they're out of Colombia
they manage probably 10 or more sources
[27:07] of funds and they help to facilitate
development throughout the state of
[27:12] South Carolina um federal funds state
funds and uh Governor McMaster actually
[27:19] appoints the board for State housing but
they um they help create housing and
[27:25] have probably done well over 50,000
units across our community the other
[27:30] grants as I mentioned previously are
federal dollars um the arpa funding that
[27:36] came in a couple of years ago was also
helpful in facilitating both the
[27:42] construction and where necessary the
subsidy of Housing and then the federal
[27:47] government also offers what they refer
to as a section 108 loan that is secured
[27:53] by your cdbg dollars and so those are
some of the opportunities um there are
[27:59] also foundations that provide funding
for housing so there are many
[28:04] opportunities if you will to secure
funding that enables housing to be
[28:09] completed in your
communities so lowincome housing tax
[28:14] credits I've mentioned that they come in
what they call 4% or 9% very competitive
[28:21] um uh and I would just say it's moving
in the right direction the um the goals
[28:27] and strategies around litech are always
a challenge for developers because it's
[28:32] very competitive and they have a limited
amount of funding and so we're always
[28:37] having conversations with them on how we
can make those better they're very
[28:41] critical to the development of rental
housing especially for your low-income
[28:48] families and here are examples of um
developments that the city has invested
[28:55] funding in in these particular the two
at the top are senior developments and
[29:01] the West Ashley and Daniel Island
community um and then the one below is a
[29:07] more recent one that was just um open
it's an old school so it's what we call
[29:13] an Adaptive reuse um a school that they
had to leave the center of that building
[29:19] they couldn't tear it down because we
are um a city that honors historic um
[29:24] buildings and so they maintain that one
and then they built new all around so
[29:30] essentially 88 units of senior housing
at this site and they go from 30% to 80%
[29:37] of what we call the area meeting income
and supplying that housing to those
[29:42] individuals um unbelievably that senior
riddle housing costs about 42 million so
[29:49] often times um they call it the lasagna
of of sources of funds it took about 10
[29:55] sources of funds in order to get us to
the Archer Redevelopment well worth it
[30:01] if you all are ever downtown and can go
by it's a beautiful building you go in
[30:08] um inside the windows are very large the
seniors that have moved in can't stop
[30:12] talking about it so um it's a really
nice opportunity there and I think
[30:17] that's all one other thing that we've
done again always trying to find a way
[30:22] to help facilitate funding for housing
is we are working with a nonprofit
[30:28] organization um to establish what we
call a petal impact fund and that's
[30:34] basically just a way where they can take
private capital and we leverage it with
[30:38] the money that we invest either from
Tiff from federal dollars or from other
[30:43] um sources and essentially this group um
works with Employers in the community um
[30:49] they work with private investors in the
community um to again bring up bring
[30:55] forth an additional source of capital
that we can use as leverage towards um
[31:00] investing into the various deals with
impact funds I will say some of those
[31:04] funds um need to be returned fairly
quickly and based on of course the
[31:09] nature of the deal um with affordable
housing and Workforce housing we often
[31:14] share that patient capital is um utmost
of utmost importance when you're putting
[31:20] these deals together I think that's it
so finally um how do you SEC secure
[31:26] rental housing or any housing in your
community of course um determine how
[31:31] many rental homes are needed assessments
are always good to have there have been
[31:35] a number of assessments done by state
housing by Charleston County the city
[31:40] has done some and so um It's always
important to have that data before you
[31:45] so you know what your uh what you have
to encounter um identify land or
[31:51] available locations for the construction
of the homes um ensure land is zoned
[31:56] appropriately for the develop vment um
determine what your estimated cost for
[32:01] constructing renal homes are or any
homes and that's where your development
[32:05] Partners come in um one of the things I
am excited about that I do well is I
[32:11] know how to contact those with the
appropriate talent to get us uh where we
[32:16] need to be and so that's always
important having those collaborative
[32:19] Partnerships for the city being a local
government um typically we are doing
[32:24] requests for proposals a request for
qualification literally on every deal
[32:30] that we've ever done that has been the
process for us and um establishing again
[32:35] those collaborative Partnerships the
Archer deal was done by Humanities
[32:38] foundation so we have a number of
Partners Charon Habitat for Humanity
[32:43] works with us um SE Island habitat works
with us so a number of partners are
[32:49] important to being able to achieve your
goal naturally engaging and informing
[32:54] your community and Council um we know
that that's very important important to
[32:58] secure that input and everything we do
is executed via a development agreement
[33:03] or some level of a contractual agreement
even when there are monetary
[33:08] contributions or especially when
monetary contributions are involved I
[33:13] what to think that's my last one yes so
um any questions that you have for me
[33:18] and I know I went through that very
quickly but I wanted to share as much as
[33:22] I could has the city had any um success
with existing Property
[33:30] Owners transitioning to affordable
housing we've had some of that we do
[33:35] have what we call a rental rehab program
so your smaller um what we call our
[33:41] smaller developers the ones and twos
they may own a duplex or a town home we
[33:46] would invest um and we do this through
our federal home funding about $220,000
[33:52] per unit and we ask them to allow those
things to be affordable for about 20
[33:57] years
um and that's a grant that's actually
[34:00] grant funding that they don't pay back
but it goes towards the quote
[34:04] reconstruction or rehab of those unit
some with um usually they have to get
[34:09] some additional funding and so along
with their Bank financing we will put it
[34:14] in towards the middle and the end of the
Reconstruction but we do execute the
[34:19] grant agreement up front because it's of
helpful for them if they've had to
[34:23] secure private financing to have that
additional 20,000 available to so yes TI
[34:30] was so that's for a property that needs
to be rehabbed a bit and then turn into
[34:34] a rental have you had any programming
with property owners just incentivizing
[34:39] Property Owners to use existing
properties that don't really need to be
[34:42] rehabilitated or renovated to turn them
into long-term rentals and like how does
[34:48] if you did we have not had that much the
closest that we've come to that as adus
[34:53] the accessory dwelling units where they
can use a portion of their home and or
[34:58] they can build a separate unit on their
land and so our planning team is
[35:04] tweaking those guidelines just slightly
they've had good success with adus in
[35:09] Mount Pleasant um and so we have um
copied a few will what they're doing
[35:14] just slightly to see if we can move that
forward in Charleston is it similar like
[35:19] a 20year restriction on it or is it just
it is actually we won a little longer
[35:24] and that's kind of why we're having to
go back and tweak it cuz folk didn't
[35:27] like real long time because they said if
they sell their home or they want to
[35:31] leave then they're they put a burden on
the next person to do what they did and
[35:36] that may not work and so that was one of
the other reasons we kind of Drew that
[35:41] one back and are revisiting the language
the affordability Covenant is
[35:46] essentially what we call that to um
maybe come where we do only 15 or 10
[35:52] based on our
[35:56] investment other question questions any
other strategies in the works besides
[36:01] new construction cuz you know we're
we're limited we don't we can't do sure
[36:06] so um one of the things we've been
fortunate to do and I think mayor
[36:10] Coswell just started working with um the
Bloomberg Associates out of New York
[36:17] they um Michael Bloomberg what they call
Bloomberg philanthropies pays for an
[36:23] association of literal um Consultants
some some of them have worked in local
[36:28] government some of them have been in the
Consulting field they cover like nine
[36:32] different areas including housing we're
literally working with them right now
[36:37] for free which is the really amazing
part um because you get that kind of
[36:41] expertise coming in and we don't have to
pay them because it's provided through
[36:45] the philanthropy um they're looking
right now for us at housing how we fund
[36:51] housing for the long term and what those
alternative sources might be in order to
[36:56] get us to a certain point that
16351 number that's out there I keep
[37:03] telling my planners that's not our goal
that's just what they said we needed so
[37:08] um looking specifically at a goal and
what we can realistically achieve over
[37:13] the next four to five years um so once
if I get some more juicy information
[37:19] I'll be glad to share it with you that
you can pass on um I will say sometimes
[37:24] um banks will help with certain aspects
of it because they get community
[37:30] revitalization CRA credits when they're
able to invest funding in housing um and
[37:36] so oftentimes engaging the banking
community on the front end is always
[37:41] helpful because if they can do um or
help to facilitate loans at lower cost
[37:48] um there is a credit that they get as a
result of what they call giving back to
[37:52] the community so that's another source
as well on the adus did you have like
[37:57] work with an environmentalist just to
assure environmental impact before you
[38:02] add more density or more yes um one of
the challenges with adus initially for
[38:08] the city was parking and making sure
that the impact to neighborhoods was not
[38:14] worse than when we started with that
process um we had L we looked at ad a
[38:19] couple of different times and so
studying that one of the things that the
[38:23] homeowner or the property owner would be
required to do is make sure that there
[38:28] was appropriate parking in their yard or
very close to their yard so that it
[38:33] would not have an adverse impact in the
community itself so that was one of
[38:38] those other harder spots with that
[38:41] one in general with the units that you
do have that have been
[38:47] constructed it seems like most that I've
seen are pretty like one bedroom or D
[38:55] the yeah the sizes vary so in those
multi-unit developments especially those
[39:01] that are funded by litec in some cases
they have larger bedroom sizes um and
[39:06] some of the senior developments they
might be anything from one to twos um
[39:12] we've also worked and I think those are
no longer affordable we worked with a
[39:16] developer early on that did L style and
they went very quickly um but the
[39:22] affordability covenants on those were
only 10 years and so those have since um
[39:27] got from the affordable realm into the
market rate realm but as I understand it
[39:31] those are U very popular um in Downtown
Charleston
[39:36] yeah I just wonder about what we can do
and that many Working Families certainly
[39:43] would need sure and what I intended to
do and I'll get this information to you
[39:48] the city um instituted an employer
assisted housing program and essentially
[39:55] we provide um
a loow interest
[40:00] loan one is a low interest loan one is a
grant to employees who buy in the city
[40:07] we also worked very closely um under
that employer assisted housing program
[40:12] with employers to encourage them to
invest um one in particular restaurant
[40:19] owner I remember his one of his team
members was one of the first ones that
[40:23] bought under the employer assistant
program I think he gave from 2 to 3,000
[40:27] towards the reduction of his mortgage um
he had some criteria of his own too I
[40:32] think they had to be with his business
at least three years and those sorts of
[40:36] things but it was a good way to
encourage one employees to stay with him
[40:40] um once they all found out and then two
it was an opportunity for an employer to
[40:47] um I guess be the best case scenario if
you will for some other employers and so
[40:52] we've in fact talked to the chamber
about that to see if they can encourage
[40:56] more employers to do that um because if
we can get them involved um even get our
[41:02] hospitals and other entities involved in
the process we feel like we'd have
[41:07] greater
success that's great and you guys Post
[41:11] website or updates on your website I
will say yes to that that is not my baay
[41:16] weight but I know people who do that so
yes yes but I will get my team member
[41:23] who manages that to get Jenna that
information on that employeer assisted
[41:26] housing
um to share that with you all because
[41:31] that might be a methodology you're
interested in using sure is okay your
[41:36] presentation was great thank you and it
also kind
[41:40] of one it was enlightening um and re
reinforced how complicated it is and
[41:47] also just just a matrix a matrix needs
and funding sources and how do you make
[41:51] the decisions and so it was encouraging
to know there's so many different
[41:55] programs and funding sources that you
been able to tap and sort of hodge podge
[41:59] together for different needs and I will
just say you if you collaborate with the
[42:04] appropriate development Community there
are folks that not only bring the
[42:09] expertise with construction but they
know this stuff with their eyes close um
[42:14] Tammy Hoy is one that I think of um she
can help you put together a plan fairly
[42:20] quickly Tammy Wilson not all my tamies
tonight but anyway those two come to
[42:25] mind right away because they know how to
help um governments and other
[42:30] organizations put together plans that
can help bring this thing to fruition so
[42:36] they work for you they do not um
actually Tammy did Tammy Hoy did work
[42:40] for me at one point um but I can I'll
send you if you'll email me and just say
[42:46] GA what who' you say yeah and then I'll
send you their information yeah but
[42:51] they're good people to work
with y'all stay stay in there it's
[42:55] really important that you do what you're
doing um it'll make a big difference for
[42:59] your community too I think the other
thing too because we're we're seeing so
[43:03] much good work that you've done and we
probably don't know how long it took to
[43:07] get there in my mind I'm having a hard
time with getting over the hump to get
[43:11] started you know and I think just do
something first to get going I don't
[43:16] know how long it took 20 30 50 years I
don't know um it vared you know I
[43:20] started when I was really
young but seriously um it varies based
[43:25] on a number of things funding is so
critical um and the other process that's
[43:31] really important is entitlement I.E in
some cases I think about James Lewis Jr
[43:37] we probably started talking about that
one seven years ago um and so that's why
[43:42] the city is now looking at how long does
it take and I said this to Mayor Coxwell
[43:46] when he came in I said you will never
hear someone say it took Giana a long
[43:50] time to make a decision because it
doesn't um but once they get Beyond me
[43:55] we have the you know storm water
considerations which are critically
[44:00] important um there's the the building um
envelope and if it's in a board of
[44:06] Architectural Review District it's going
to take a little longer so all of those
[44:12] different criteria we have in this city
we're trying to make sure that those
[44:17] don't become in hindrance or a barrier
to us getting housing up in a faster way
[44:22] because the longer it takes the more
money it costs and so that it come
[44:26] becomes cost prohibitive and so in some
cases we've actually lost deals um
[44:31] they've either gone to the market rate
or the developer said I can't carry this
[44:35] any longer and they cut it off which
makes sense right because they're in
[44:39] they're in that business to make money
as well and so if it doesn't work um
[44:44] then it becomes prohibitive to the
community long term and so we are
[44:49] studying that very closely now to see
how we can fine-tune that and make that
[44:55] better for Bond funding you said that
one was one of the more well received
[45:02] forms what are some of the obstacles
that you have what are some of the
[45:06] issues that have come up with Bond
actually none as it relates to actually
[45:11] utilizing it and then getting it to the
development Community um most of the
[45:16] funding sources that we manage we do
what we call a request for applications
[45:21] meaning they have to submit a deal to us
in order to facilitate it uh go Bond
[45:27] basically goes against the um the the
the funding that the city has on hand
[45:33] because the city is then responsible for
paying that money back and so um my CFO
[45:39] has looked at me nicely the last time I
mentioned a go bond fund um because I
[45:45] think when we did the first one it was
20 million back in
[45:49] 2017 I was asking for about 40 then and
so we're looking now to see if that's
[45:54] going to be possible in light of
um the full Financial picture for the
[45:59] city because the owner is is on the city
to repay those bond
[46:04] funds so that's probably one of
the and and how they get renewed each
[46:09] year or or well and how so once the the
funding itself is allocated then the
[46:16] city has a responsibility for paying
that back essentially to itself really
[46:21] but that's a responsibility of those
bond
[46:24] funds and that's I would say on the
development and um awarding side those
[46:30] funds were very easy to deal with um but
there are you know that obligation that
[46:35] the city had made it a little bit
difficult for the city to go beyond that
[46:39] 20 million in that first round and what
are some of the more recommended since
[46:45] it's new in terms of the ax funds what
are what's some of the feedback that
[46:50] you've gotten so far in terms of what's
working um so far so good um as a matter
[46:56] of fact the Tammy Hoy Hawkins has helped
either Buford or Hilton Head I think it
[47:02] was Hilton Head with receiving their a
tax funds and I think Charleston County
[47:06] also has their ax funds essentially
there is a u requirement that the state
[47:12] has put out that you have to prepare a
plan um a housing analysis and an impact
[47:19] plan that then you submit that plan to
them and then you're then you can access
[47:23] that funding so we're working on our
impact
[47:27] analysis right now we have to get it
before a committee of counsel and then
[47:32] councel before we can submit it to the
state but essentially once we do that
[47:37] and that was Tammy Hoy that Tammy Hoy
Hawkins as a matter of fact we um maybe
[47:42] pled your rise a little and use what she
did up there to kind of model what we're
[47:46] doing here in Charleston but essentially
yeah so once you prepare that plan
[47:51] submit it to the state then you can
receive a tax
[47:54] funding and it I think it very IES based
on jurisdiction I have not asked that
[48:00] question I've just been told by our
finance office that um we could get up
[48:04] to two
[48:07] million another question so your so many
units and so much housing has been put
[48:14] out there and I see the income level is
a criterium was there any other filters
[48:19] of like public housing Hospitality like
how did you determine and does this even
[48:23] get involved after it's done in who it
gets rented
[48:27] to so the only requirement typically and
the requirements come based on the
[48:32] funding source so with low income
housing tax credits you can um typically
[48:38] go up to the 80% threshold um but unless
it's for seniors there are no other
[48:43] requirements So a family unit could mean
a family of one or a family of three um
[48:49] and and you have to be very careful
about that because you don't want to
[48:52] violate fair housing laws so if you say
it's a family unit that means could be
[48:57] rented to anybody who fits that criteria
um but usually that is the only um
[49:04] that's the only requirement if you will
with most of those units under our
[49:08] Workforce units usually it's right at
the 80% criteria that um they're renting
[49:16] to and those come usually in our private
sector development one group I think did
[49:22] maybe 60% in one of their units um and
they went like hot
[49:27] they were rented before we could blink
an eye but they worked in the city so it
[49:31] was part of we had that was one of the
criteria and so honestly really trying
[49:36] to get folks to focus more on you know
our Hospitality workers where um we have
[49:43] 55 units coming this is 24 hopefully by
the end of next year um that'll be
[49:49] located on the low line but it's
essentially right off of King Street in
[49:54] Downtown Charleston so we anticipate
that a lot of folks that will rent from
[49:58] that will be the the folks that work on
King Street in the restaurants and that
[50:02] sort of as a matter of fact they've
already started calling about whether
[50:06] we're taking applications then we aren't
naturally because the develop the
[50:09] developer group will will manage that
process but that just shows us how great
[50:14] the need is down there especially for
those who work
[50:18] yeah when does Tiff funding like let's
just say you had a strip of land but
[50:24] beside it there was city land that was
that was undeveloped completely but
[50:29] there were barriers to using that that
particular area would that be an
[50:34] opportunity for Tiff funding it could be
yes so how do you find out for sure um
[50:41] what when Tiff would be so um Tiff it's
a somewhat complicated process but
[50:49] essentially uh you're your your Council
has to approve use of Tiff funds because
[50:55] then what you have to do is go to your
Banks and determine what kind of rate
[51:00] you can get on borrowing Tiff funds
based on the amount of development that
[51:06] you anticipate happening in a particular
area um and so normally I defer this to
[51:13] our CFO and assistant CFO uh but
essentially I know they have worked with
[51:19] Bank of America and other Banks to look
at rates um because the city is
[51:24] borrowing against the value that they
anticipate will come in that
[51:29] Tiff and so we've done a tiff for $14
million and I just know that because
[51:35] that was an area where the James Lewis
Jr building was um and so not only on
[51:41] housing but on parks on sidewalks on
other infrastructure needs in that area
[51:46] so it covered probably a four to five
mile area but those Tiff funds not only
[51:52] went towards the housing but other
improvements that needed to be made in
[51:55] that community
I'll have to get you a better
[51:59] explanation
[52:02] though thank you for coming oh you're
welcome glad to be with you all yall
[52:07] have a big job ahead of
you yes I'm for
[52:12] it give me just a second and I'll come
back and talk about survey questions do
[52:16] you want to take a break s
minutes ni up yall so thank you so much
[52:24] you're I'm sure we're gonna have a lot
of followup questions for Jenna to
[52:29] follow up with you
[52:38] want city council got this before you
guys start me every one of them was
[52:43] going to copy oh thank you and I think
we're going to have more than one public
[52:49] hearing yeah
[Music]
[52:57] it's pretty high quality
paper
[53:02] serious earlier you said something about
okay so you've got
[53:07] four you got four rental unit rental
[53:13] units let me find my notes hold
on see postcard ask about the H fact
[53:20] system because that'll determine how old
the property is the square footage the
[53:25] rental right per month but you're saying
that you would not appreciate getting a
[53:32] survey that asks you how much you rent
it out for per month not if I have to
[53:37] put my name so you'd be okay with online
survey that was Anonymous though Sor
[53:42] would you you'd be okay with an
anonymous online survey when you said
[53:46] the postcard I don't think I'm going to
be the only one I understand that but a
[53:51] lot of money I don't think they want to
disclose it but if it's anonymous you
[53:56] might get a more accurate number you can
also but how would we verify the
[54:01] accuracy you can take how much they pay
for a business license per year and you
[54:05] can divide by 12 and that'll give you
some more accurate ACC you can match
[54:09] that up too so there's more than ways to
get it and just by a survey yeah because
[54:15] if they're all Anonymous then how how
would we know that there aren't
[54:19] motivated parties that are willing to
fill out anonymously just for the sake
[54:25] of dis
[54:28] you're mailing it directly to them and
you're you're explaining why you want it
[54:32] but the postcard oh the return will be
[54:37] anous information yeah okay okay but are
we playing to mail anything not sure I
[54:44] think that's what he's saying is like an
online When anybody part I get now you
[54:49] have only addresses and everything
already so putting together 100 letters
[54:54] 105 letters shouldn't really be a big
deal
[54:57] and that that is what we did um to get a
guess of how much people are renting
[55:02] right now we took the B the um Li from
the yeah how much they report an income
[55:08] divided by 12 now that's not always
accurate they could have certain amounts
[55:11] they did not rent and we don't know that
and so that's just a guess that that's
[55:18] helpful all
[Applause]
[55:22] right so in the remaining packets that
you have there a a one pager I'm going
[55:27] to go over that real quick and then the
um at the bottom you have the survey
[55:33] which is a compilation of what y'all
sent me and I put it together edited a
[55:38] little bit and and I think um it this
reflects what what you want to
[55:43] ask the one pager um this is more
details specifically I think somebody
[55:49] asked this who is receiving the public
safety stien right now so this is $3,600
[55:55] a month
that's available to firemen and police
[56:00] officers who live on Folly or in the
geographic boundaries of James
[56:06] Island and there are zero people right
now in fol and there are five people who
[56:11] are doing it who live on James Island
and there were two on there were in the
[56:16] beginning of this year there were three
people fulltime workers using it okay so
[56:22] that's so if you've got 600 a month for
folly
[56:26] or 300 a month for anybody living in
James
[56:32] Allen and last time we spoke you said we
had or here it is right here
[56:41] $365,000 no that's that's ax EXC spoke
it was then it was 3600 a month it was
[56:47] 3600 a month and last time we spoke it
was pretty much full and it it is not at
[56:52] the moment but I asked and they
Le normally is used so a public safety
[57:00] worker would have uh a salary of of say
like anything from what 20 in the 20s or
[57:08] 30s on up to start about 50 to what 100
150 to the the highest would be the
[57:15] police chief and you can't like when you
have it's not differentiating I guess
[57:23] income level this is not based on income
employee of Public Safety can get so if
[57:29] you have
$120,000 salary and then you have a
[57:33] $50,000 salary they could each get that
same number correct so should there be
[57:39] should there be an income level limit if
we've only got x amount in the bank to
[57:45] give out for to think
about I mean that you can put that in
[57:50] your recommendations if you would like
but right now there is no income what is
[57:55] one 20,000 what what does that put if
you're at a Max of 120 to 150,000 what
[58:02] what is that is that in terms of the
30% what's the average I can figure that
[58:12] out I can figure out what these numbers
mean and I think Public Safety wasn't it
[58:16] $68,000 yeah so 30% of 68,000 is 1,700 a
month they that would be 30% that was
[58:26] what they should be
spending and the whole point of that no
[58:32] matter what their income is is getting
Public Safety close on the island so to
[58:37] me it doesn't matter make 50 make 100 we
want they're expected to answer calls
[58:43] off dut yeah
exactly do you think this number is low
[58:48] as much to why it's zero right
now or is it just we've had some people
[58:55] leave and just some people leave which
is why it's happening but I think yes I
[59:01] do think it's 11 than 600 doesn't make a
huge
[59:06] difference not make up that g 600 only
brings you to 2,300 if you're making
[59:11] 68,000 so you average rental is 3500
that's I say it used to be rentals were
[59:16] 1,200 1800 or even less than that for
individual properties are taxable
[59:22] properties are they're unfall is it
23004
[59:26] 2400 but we're potentially going to have
10 times the amount of funds available
[59:32] than we currently have why or what the
Apex money okay so the last line I
[59:40] doesn't have to do with that's separate
okay this is how much the city is
[59:43] allowed to spend from aex money on
Workforce Housing Development okay but
[59:48] not on the stien I don't this is the new
law that just allows this we're not sure
[59:56] what it can be used for if it can be
used for a s or not I would have to
[1:00:00] figure that out but we can't just
arbitrarily say Public Safety workers on
[1:00:05] the island should get $1,500 a month
like that money you can suggest that to
[1:00:10] council and the council can they have we
still have to find funding for it okay
[1:00:13] funding and and for funding council's
going to worry about that we have to
[1:00:18] we've specifically been told on the
workforce housing or affordable housing
[1:00:22] we don't have to work on the funding
side of it to present the
[1:00:28] options on the $3600 a month that we
have right now available for these folks
[1:00:32] that's like
$43,000 so that is a number that Council
[1:00:37] can add to or take from the budget so we
can discretion so it might still be the
[1:00:41] same number of people at the end but
make it more attractive by increasing
[1:00:47] that 600 or 300 to make it
more I guess right do you know off the
[1:00:55] top of there your head if there's any
stipulation that they have to have been
[1:01:00] employed x amount of years before they
can apply I don't think so okay
[1:01:06] definitely if it is it's a month oh okay
to could it be worded as a percentage of
[1:01:12] their income like instead of a 600 flat
dollar fee for someone that makes x
[1:01:18] amount could it could it be a percentage
of that
[1:01:27] 600 based upon their income sure
anything's on the table that you don't
[1:01:30] want that would be something you would
include in the survey like if we sent it
[1:01:34] to employees you know City fly Beach
employees is this something how you how
[1:01:38] is that how you would like it structured
is a percentage of the employee of our
[1:01:42] salaries or is it a flat thing right
like cuz if somebody was making 150 and
[1:01:48] I was only making 50 Mak like people
that work for the city make a lot of
[1:01:52] money no I'm just saying that every
little bit helps and if working with
[1:01:56] everybody and one person's making 150
and the other person's making 50 and you
[1:02:01] get the same exact stien that seems a
little unfair so those are things for
[1:02:06] y'all to think about and when it comes
time to do the recommendations um flush
[1:02:10] it out and figure out what if you want
to include an income limit and what that
[1:02:13] might be or
how okay and this stien is not available
[1:02:18] to any other City staff it's just Public
Safety currently just fire and um
[1:02:23] full-time fire and police
the second question here is how many
[1:02:28] city employees there are someone asked
that just so everybody has that
[1:02:32] information what department they work
in and then the third one so the law
[1:02:38] that was passed this year or last year
that allows the city to use a tax money
[1:02:42] allows the city to use 35% of the a tax
money and so I think I gave you a back
[1:02:47] of the envelope number last month said
this is just this this comes from Lee
[1:02:51] you did a projection based on our last
five years I think of a tax income how
[1:02:57] much would 35% of that be that could be
available to use on Workforce housing
[1:03:04] develop it's yeah it sounds like it's
just for de like building new yeah like
[1:03:09] I've seen Greenville the city or the
county um bought some land recently so
[1:03:15] yeah acquisition seems to be what I've
seen I would like more details on that
[1:03:20] because that if we don't have to build
more what it sounded like from Tiana
[1:03:24] that it was
also because she was saying that you had
[1:03:29] to have like a plan for how the
development would be used to yeah that
[1:03:35] would be a follow up to know for
sure all right y'all want me to put this
[1:03:40] up on the
screen you have in front of me how many
[1:03:45] questions are there are we going to go
through every single one as a whole
[1:03:47] group or there's a lot of repetition
shoot the first four are basically the
[1:03:53] same thing okay so I was want to do want
to have time with this to
[1:03:59] digest huh she asked have time I didn't
know if we were talking about another
[1:04:03] hour or two or we don't really have a
time limit but no I this won't take
[1:04:07] another hour or two and the first
question the first four are the same it
[1:04:11] just goes to different people whether
you own or whether you rent or don't
[1:04:14] rent want need to ask one more question
about this why is it that only five
[1:04:19] employees are opting in for this amount
if you the others don't live close
[1:04:25] enough to
qualify they live in W only five live in
[1:04:31] James Island or the stien wasn't enough
to make it affordable for them to move
[1:04:35] here or they own their house somewhere
else they don't want to live here that's
[1:04:38] what it is right what it's not enough
money to cover anything out it's not
[1:04:44] covering your utilities
[1:04:48] exactly okay I'm going to go through I'm
not going to read every word of this we
[1:04:52] not it's Kristen I promise it's not take
another another and y'all can always cut
[1:04:56] me off at any time if you want to we got
to get this thing up yeah so the first
[1:05:03] page here
and this will go at the beginning of
[1:05:07] each survey so that to educate the
people who are answering these questions
[1:05:11] a little bit about why we're asking
these questions what is the city trying
[1:05:15] to accomplish and give them some
definitions about affordable housing and
[1:05:20] Workforce housing um y'all take a look
at that and and see if there's anything
[1:05:24] you want I did not add a lot to this so
if you want to um add something later if
[1:05:30] you think of it make a little note and
let me
[1:05:33] know so survey option number
one is for full-time
[1:05:40] owners these are resents these the
full-time owners full-time residents
[1:05:44] residents owners who are full-time so I
I I'm going to ask them to because these
[1:05:49] are words that yeah are not very clear
so do you live full-time on F you may
[1:05:53] rent out your home under 72 days as an
an owner occupied short-term rental or
[1:05:57] you may not rent out your home at all so
this is that's the target audience for
[1:06:01] this first question how long have you
lived on F how many bedrooms and
[1:06:04] bathrooms do you rent it out for that 72
day period um do you think city of f
[1:06:12] Beach should prioritize affordable
housing in these different ways here and
[1:06:16] these three these are going to be
repetitive um you could vote for more
[1:06:22] than one for for these three can I ask a
quick question just number four at this
[1:06:27] point in time the city has prioritized
this because it's with us do we need to
[1:06:31] ask owners what they think about it or
is this do you think should prioritize
[1:06:37] tring think I I'll keep it as concise as
possible for someone to actually do you
[1:06:43] know what I mean there this has been
fled that is there an appetite in the
[1:06:48] public to fund things like this Goa and
so yeah do you think that's necessary
[1:06:54] question um um so do you think the city
should do these things number five is
[1:07:00] which ones would you support funding and
so the first one is adus allowing adus
[1:07:08] if your property can otherwise um handle
it City purchasing land in Folly Beach
[1:07:13] the city purchasing land outside of fol
beach um stiens we've talked a little
[1:07:18] bit about already but that could be
stiens for um general public or city
[1:07:24] employees
um incentives to homeowners and these
[1:07:30] are General these aren't obviously these
these aren't fleshed out policies but
[1:07:33] just in general is this somebody
something that somebody would support
[1:07:37] and then annexing land um to have more
room for
[1:07:42] development number six I asked if they
can I ask you a question I don't see SE
[1:07:48] purchasing land but would we have what
do we want to add purchasing existing
[1:07:53] properties yeah we you say purchasing
land or existing properties for that
[1:07:58] exactly I mean or or existing develop
yeah yeah
[1:08:08] okay buildings I guess I don't know how
you want to write it but just a house
[1:08:12] that already exists or building exist y
got it anybody else all right number six
[1:08:18] if you were to be able to put an Adu on
your property would you do it and I'll
[1:08:24] I'll do an open comment box so they can
give us some feedback on why they would
[1:08:27] or
wouldn't number seven is who they think
[1:08:31] these affordable housing initiatives
should um Target hold on Jen just just
[1:08:36] when it comes to aggregating data at the
end of the day on number six would you
[1:08:40] want to offer like ABC or check the box
of the things reasons why you would not
[1:08:46] support it so that you can see they
environmental density or you know so
[1:08:51] that you can get and then leave one for
other and they can fill it in so get so
[1:08:56] few you don't have quite so many things
to look at and read that's good so
[1:09:01] anything else environmental density um
just because my property is not big
[1:09:06] enough it's not size well the she said
parking was one of the biggest issues
[1:09:11] down town
yeah I would put things like
[1:09:16] environmental size you know property
size parking
[1:09:23] noise privacy
yeah no I I'll I'll flush that out or
[1:09:28] just the the commitment what was it five
something 10 years 20 years that's not
[1:09:34] that's not on there
yet you're starting off with would you
[1:09:38] consider it just would you consider it
why why am why
[1:09:42] not all right number seven target
[1:09:46] audience this breaks down we've already
talked about these residents of f Beach
[1:09:51] First Responders other city employees
not First Responders or other employees
[1:09:56] who work on in valy beach but are not
city
[1:10:00] employees and then if you choose a
location to say for instance that there
[1:10:05] were um a stipend available where those
people have to live anywhere 20
[1:10:12] miles um James Island FY Beach or in the
city of FY Beach are people going to be
[1:10:18] able to choose more than one yeah okay I
would add small business owners because
[1:10:23] there are people who don't work for
another business but own a small
[1:10:27] business
here that rent for number eight um
[1:10:33] number number seven okay who should be
the target current residents firstes
[1:10:39] responders I would also City staff
employees of businesses small business
[1:10:45] owners I could name so would that be
somebody who owns property I mean owns a
[1:10:49] business but does not live here at
there's quite a few of them right now
[1:10:57] okay um number two is targeting or
asking people who own a second home that
[1:11:04] they do not run out at all same
questions um how long you've been here
[1:11:10] bedrooms bathrooms do you think it's a
priority and which ones would you
[1:11:13] support and I'll make all the changes to
these that we talked about for the first
[1:11:17] one
um same thing would you do an would you
[1:11:21] consider an Adu number six is new would
you be willing to offer your second home
[1:11:26] as affordable housing or Workforce
housing for a certain number of years in
[1:11:30] exchange for financial or zoning
[1:11:35] benefits explain the zoning benefits
like we would even if you're in West
[1:11:39] Fifth Block West actually you would
could be in commercial no not commercial
[1:11:45] it would be density just different ways
for density so Charleston I don't think
[1:11:49] she talked about this has a one specific
District that they give you points for
[1:11:54] certain um um affordable
housing certain steps you take towards
[1:12:00] helping affordable housing and at a
certain number of points you get to
[1:12:03] increase the number of floors of your
building so that's that's
[1:12:08] that's that's for a a multi un you know
instead of six floors you're allowed
[1:12:13] seven floors if you get 24 points of
adding Green Space and adding the longer
[1:12:18] number of years you know 10 years versus
5 years or things like that this word
[1:12:22] zoning that was throwing me off here on
this part I don't really understand get
[1:12:25] a zoning benefit
um would be
[1:12:32] Zing I think that we that would be hard
for somebody just in the regular general
[1:12:36] public to okay might have to explain the
question I guess sure what number was
[1:12:41] that six
[1:12:49] six okay and then seven would you be
willing to offer your home if you
[1:12:55] received an investor short-term rental
license at the end and this would be
[1:13:00] important under the cap right so the
people who can't get one right now
[1:13:05] because of the cap um would be allowed
if they were offering affordable housing
[1:13:11] for a certain number of time certain
period of time I guess that's good data
[1:13:15] to just find out the tolerance for it
but at the same time it doesn't help for
[1:13:20] long-term affordable housing if we're
they like great yeah in 10 years you can
[1:13:24] get an istr we're not it's not going to
be that long you know what I mean so for
[1:13:29] one year time that just doesn't create
my opinion doesn't support an affordable
[1:13:33] housing initiative where you're creating
this is not yeah that's not fcking long
[1:13:40] time I also think somewhere in here we
need to I don't know where you want to
[1:13:44] put it but I feel like we need to talk
about a 12 month lease and right now the
[1:13:49] long-term housing it's truly defined
right now is 30 days plus yes so I feel
[1:13:53] like we need to put in there somewhere
about you know a true annual
[1:13:59] lease requiring annual lease well no
just their tolerance for it like right
[1:14:04] now if you already if you're currently
renting 30 days or more because there's
[1:14:07] you know there's probably quite a lot
that are renting 30 but there's a
[1:14:10] handful probably they renting 30 days or
more how could we encourage those folks
[1:14:15] or anybody to rent for the an actual
well question number eight is oh is it
[1:14:21] in here but it says 30 days or more and
you could change that to something like
[1:14:25] 6 months plus or
something or 12 months plus just because
[1:14:30] it allows 30 days or more doesn't mean
people are doing 30 days I mean most
[1:14:34] leases are for 12 months from the ones
that we I look at every single one 100
[1:14:39] whatever there's maybe
three advertisements out there for
[1:14:44] 30-day rentals I don't know about that I
think for advertisements yeah okay for
[1:14:48] advertising um online that's what's
doing right now in f that's and that's
[1:14:53] just TR probably a whole another topic
to discuss
[1:14:55] as a part of this whole forum and
project I think we need to be very clear
[1:14:59] that there's midterm whatever you want
to call the 30 days that is not
[1:15:04] long-term housing for a Workforce you
know and that's just a different I think
[1:15:08] we need to start
defining defining it someone is giving
[1:15:12] one of these incentives they have to
offer a 12 month Le is what you're
[1:15:15] saying yeah I that's what I think
personally six months because if you
[1:15:20] look at like and I don't mean to scale
back on long-term housing because six
[1:15:24] month months is not ideal for a worker
to to be able to commit to their job but
[1:15:31] 6 months is
also um attractive to a homeowner who
[1:15:36] wants to come in for three or four
months they're going to have to furnish
[1:15:40] the house at 6 months they wouldn't be
having this long-term renter come in and
[1:15:45] furnish their house for just 6 months
for them to come in and have another
[1:15:50] long-term renter come through they would
probably have their house furnac and
[1:15:54] have a long-term runer come in and live
in our furnished house so that they
[1:15:58] could theoretically come in for three
months out of the year to enjoy their
[1:16:02] vacation home if we're talking about
people that own a house that don't
[1:16:06] typically live in that house so there's
a there's a compromise there that we
[1:16:12] need to look at from a perspective of a
long-term Runner but also of someone who
[1:16:18] is on the fence about wanting to rent
out their hun and I think maybe that
[1:16:23] ends up being a sliding skill down on
the road but I just I guess I feel
[1:16:27] strongly that long-term housing is not 6
months because then you aren't going to
[1:16:32] move your furniture every six months
somewhere else you know but I understand
[1:16:36] what you're saying I think it's but you
got to make it attractive for both sides
[1:16:40] or or if somebody can afford not to rent
their home out now so that they can
[1:16:44] enjoy three months of it they sure as
hell aren't going to rent it out and
[1:16:48] year that's what I ask number eight if
they're not doing it is there anything
[1:16:52] else them what would Inc
and so maybe it's like how are it
[1:16:58] structured in the the end of months for
the purposes of the survey you could
[1:17:02] just take out the 30 days or
[1:17:06] more I think most
people
[1:17:11] longterm yeah that's that's great
okay on the righted I think you can
[1:17:16] structure the incentive or discounts or
whatever because I think it's going to
[1:17:20] be very specific for that house and that
family that wants to consider long-term
[1:17:26] rent if they still want to come to their
house for 3 months out of the year or 2
[1:17:29] months out of the year you're going to
have to take it Case by case so to take
[1:17:33] 30 days out or more would to keep it in
is very
[1:17:37] limiting that's the what's going to be
the administrative cost of this I mean
[1:17:42] this is this is
massive administrative cost of managing
[1:17:47] all this once once the you know when you
talk about 30 days you talk about long
[1:17:51] term you talk about adus I mean
somebody's going to going to have to
[1:17:55] manage it all it's sure I mean and
that's the topic is complicated and
[1:18:00] whatever the recommendations go to
council may end up with a very
[1:18:03] complicated system um so I would ask you
to keep that in mind so that when we are
[1:18:08] enforcing it that it is um easy for
everyone to understand and
[1:18:14] consistent um but yeah I mean if if we
do a program like this there will be
[1:18:19] administrative adding administrative
costs yeah to the
[1:18:22] city the simplistic way of manag this
entire thing would be to give everybody
[1:18:29] raises serious and when you think about
it if you were to give everybody
[1:18:36] $10,000 but that's just $790,000 a year
divided by
[1:18:41] 24 comes up to 27 bucks a month would I
be willing to pay $27 a month to resolve
[1:18:49] this issue I would are we property owner
you mean h the property owners have to
[1:18:53] pay yeah yeah
that's what it would be problem is you
[1:18:56] have to also incentivize more housing
stock available to be long term and
[1:19:02] that's a totally different and these can
all be your recommendations
[1:19:09] yeah survey number three is investment
owners people who don't live in the
[1:19:15] house and they rent it out short
term how long have you owned your home
[1:19:21] how many bedrooms baths same question
what should you
[1:19:25] prioritize how should we prioritize it
number five if the city were to offer
[1:19:31] you a financial incentive to participate
in rening your home to long-term renters
[1:19:35] would you
consider again I'm sorry I'm kind of a
[1:19:40] DAT ahead though if you don't Define
everybody's going to interpret long term
[1:19:43] differently currently 30 days is long
term so I guess maybe we might want to
[1:19:47] break it down into 30 days or more 6
months or more 12 month lease and give
[1:19:52] them those options well if you're a
short-term rental license holder are you
[1:19:58] going to rent your home for 6 months and
lose your short-term rental license
[1:20:03] right then I so I mean I think it would
imply that if you're going to do that
[1:20:08] you would be giving it up for you'd be
doing that for the long
[1:20:12] run yes I'll work on that I just want to
make sure that we're getting clear I
[1:20:17] think you're right I think we're getting
data that is actually once you scrub it
[1:20:20] it's credible right like everybody's
interpretation of a definition is going
[1:20:25] to screw up all the data right okay I
got
[1:20:28] it uh would you be willing to offer your
investment home as affordable housing
[1:20:33] for a certain number of years in
exchange for financial or zoning
[1:20:38] benefits and then are there other
incentives that would convince you to
[1:20:44] change from shortterm to long
term um do we so 8 9 10 11 are all the
[1:20:51] same in all of these do it ask them why
they current c l wouldn't do it like I
[1:20:56] I'm seeing why why would you would you
do it for financial benefits but it
[1:21:01] might be interesting just to say why
don't you consider it now because it if
[1:21:04] you already have an investment
short-term that's most likely giving the
[1:21:07] answer but I think you're going to hear
a whole lot of I want to come use my
[1:21:10] house in the summertime you know so just
knowing why people don't now their
[1:21:15] behaviors and reasons might be helpful
group what do y'all think and that I'm
[1:21:20] talking a lot that that's a good idea
yeah
[1:21:25] there are obvious reasons but i' like to
the more data we have the more it's
[1:21:32] going to help us for
sure I thought I think a lot of this
[1:21:36] were just not going to be able to get
because it's their business I mean
[1:21:41] meaning they don't have to tell us if
they you know overpaid in construction
[1:21:47] and have a lot of reasons why they need
to Str Str versus LTR right now in the
[1:21:53] short term the longterm is that maybe it
would be an option for long-term rent if
[1:21:58] they can short-term rent for the next
five to 10 years but that doesn't help
[1:22:02] our situation now so there's there's
going to be a lot of reasons why ists in
[1:22:09] particular are not going to be
interested in that be different for
[1:22:13] everybody yeah so we'll offer some of
the general reasons and then also do a
[1:22:17] box to just tell us why why
not sry
[1:22:23] 891
[1:22:27] same number
four investment owners for long-term
[1:22:33] rentals so these are people who own a
home that they do not live in and they
[1:22:37] run out I'll take out the 30 days and
this will be where I'll work on that
[1:22:41] definition of long
term should we be asking about an HVAC
[1:22:47] system right
[1:22:51] now to
me are you going to Define longterm
[1:22:56] though getting rid of the 30 we get I
mean could have a window unit our house
[1:23:01] is not very old but we still had to get
a brand new HVAC I know I so I guess I'm
[1:23:05] not totally sure that the HVAC
specifically is part of it but I think
[1:23:10] the goal is how old is the house or are
you trying to find out like what
[1:23:14] condition the house is in and how old it
is like to be honest I more or less like
[1:23:20] is is it financially feasible typically
the older houses at this point should
[1:23:25] have a very limited amount of years left
of paying off a house which makes it
[1:23:32] more feasible to be able to rent it out
long long term and my right I mean if
[1:23:38] you have a brand new house brand new
construction a lot of you just don't
[1:23:41] know when they bought it what if they
just bought it and it's fully financed
[1:23:45] it could
be one year you can just ask how old the
[1:23:49] houses yeah what how would that uh
contribute
[1:23:53] to any of because anybody could have
bought a house built in 1930 they just
[1:23:57] bought it yesterday so like how old the
house is doesn't help us with how much
[1:24:01] costs and overhead there is to right but
that's not the question the question is
[1:24:06] how many years have you owned your
home yes so taking that asking a second
[1:24:12] question of how old the house was oh no
is there any interest in
[1:24:16] that no I think it really comes down to
are you in a financially stable place to
[1:24:23] be able to rent out your home and based
upon the years of ownership sometimes
[1:24:29] that's a tell telling sign of whether or
not somebody
[1:24:33] is equipped do you think that's a fair
question and that's that's my question
[1:24:40] that's my question is that okay you're
not asking them how much they paid for
[1:24:45] their house on what date they bought it
and how much your mortgage is you're
[1:24:48] just saying how long have you owned your
home I mean if I have a I've had a place
[1:24:55] for 15 years I'm either done paying for
it or I'm halfway there um you know what
[1:25:00] I know we're talking about this on
number four right the same applies to
[1:25:04] all the rest of the questions I mean at
the end of the
[1:25:07] day I don't know if it matters you're
probably going to see the long-term
[1:25:12] rental owners have owned it the longest
I would assume because they can more so
[1:25:17] afford to rent it long term if that
makes sense but are we trying to get a
[1:25:21] picture of the individual owner's
Financial sit situation I know I don't
[1:25:25] know I don't think personally I don't
think that should factor into this I
[1:25:32] agree well but you still have to find
out what would motivate you have in
[1:25:36] order to do that you have to find that
motivating factor and and and you know
[1:25:41] if well that's what is these questions
about what would incentivize you number
[1:25:46] six right which if you look at it is
probably the most important question
[1:25:52] period on question number four sorry on
survey option number four survey option
[1:25:57] number three or five or five
five five is number six well I don't see
[1:26:07] how six really applies if we're asking
the question if they own a second home
[1:26:12] that they don't live in because then
they might not necessarily live on
[1:26:17] Folly says they could still offer when
you don't live in that you rent out for
[1:26:22] 30 days or longer
I'm lost on what page we're on now we on
[1:26:26] survey four still y
y we four
[1:26:31] okay thought we jumped so question
number five is that what you're talking
[1:26:34] about on survey four for investment
owners of long-term rentals I think
[1:26:39] Kevin was talking about survey number
three I think so
[1:26:43] too you were talking about question
number six on survey
[1:26:48] three was that the one you were talking
about yeah as that's for survey three
[1:26:53] we're on survey four we can talk about
that if you want well I think he was
[1:26:57] going back to say that that question
suffices on would you be willing to uh
[1:27:02] offer your home if there's an incentive
that's why he jumped ear there I
[1:27:09] think are you saying that that question
should be on this survey as well because
[1:27:14] it's not well survey for they're already
offering the long-term rent right we
[1:27:19] don't need them to
switch I think we're still back to does
[1:27:23] the question number one on almost all of
these matter I think it
[1:27:28] matters I think it matters doesn't hurt
but I don't think it I don't think it
[1:27:31] tells us anything I don't think it tells
us
[1:27:34] anything if you've only owned your home
for a year versus 15
[1:27:39] years you you can gain a much better
understanding of of where someone might
[1:27:45] be economically but you're without
asking them very personal details but
[1:27:50] you're still just guessing cuz you don't
know right you don't know you also like
[1:27:54] you said you could be 15 years into your
mortgage you could have no mortgage you
[1:27:58] could have just refinanced taken all of
that out and still have a full mortgage
[1:28:03] and if you just bought it in the last
year and you paid cash for it you
[1:28:07] probably paid over a million dollars for
it but you also aren't short tting it so
[1:28:12] you might be motivated to long-term in
it you also might be unmotivated to
[1:28:16] answer these questions if you answer
number one because then you feel like it
[1:28:19] you can narrow it down to who it is you
know I mean well not that but just you
[1:28:23] know maybe that feels personal to people
too but they're like you don't need to
[1:28:27] know that but I can answer all of these
based on my personal situation or you
[1:28:32] know based on somebody then would it
come down to whether or not we make it
[1:28:36] Anonymous or not Anonymous oh it's be to
be anonymous for so then but I think
[1:28:41] people still may not trust that you know
um maybe if if you you had gathered this
[1:28:48] because this is just trying to build a
foundation of see what the threshold of
[1:28:51] people what it is what are they willing
to answer and you know you get these
[1:28:56] back hopefully it's busy and it you get
really good answers but maybe you know
[1:29:01] and with that maybe you need to do
another survey after that you're like
[1:29:05] okay now we got some really good
information now let's get a little more
[1:29:08] detailed you know if you can if you all
these so how much do you charge per
[1:29:12] month to rent out your
property get personal should that be a
[1:29:18] bracket though I charge but I think it's
so important to know 1500 or below 1500
[1:29:23] 3,000 charge or or maybe you give them a
range that's what I think too listen I
[1:29:29] don't respect the Anon the word the
desire Anonymous if we're getting really
[1:29:35] bogged down and really what we need is
just to you know try to get some sort of
[1:29:41] picture of what the appetite is we and
how far are people willing to go but
[1:29:48] technically we don't even need to know
how much you charge if they're long-term
[1:29:52] running we already know what they're
being Char I question then I think do
[1:29:56] need to know hold on we got too many
conversations I can't okay I think
[1:30:01] everybody agrees we want are going to
ask how much they charge the question is
[1:30:04] for number one and this goes back for
all of the Sur I want a consensus from
[1:30:08] y'all about whether to ask how long
theyve own the house here's my thoughts
[1:30:13] and I will say question five that is
basically saying would you support the
[1:30:18] city of f beach Wait On which not on
survey 1 through three okay back to the
[1:30:24] in all of this surveying we're trying to
gather an understanding of what the
[1:30:28] residents and property owners are
willing to accept as an acceptable
[1:30:33] program for affordable housing so maybe
they all hate ad use maybe they want to
[1:30:38] do this but whatever it may be that's
the most important question we need
[1:30:42] answered because if the public won't
support it it doesn't even make sense to
[1:30:45] send it to council right but if we have
how many years you've lived here and we
[1:30:51] find out that
most of the support is coming from
[1:30:57] people who have lived here under a year
or one to four years then we may not
[1:31:03] have reached the entire audience we
wanted to reach to gather the
[1:31:07] information and we may need to seek a
different approach to get the
[1:31:12] information that's the only reason I
would leave it there is you can also
[1:31:16] tell their level of commitment to Folly
if they've been here for five to 15
[1:31:21] something years then they might be more
motivated for the community itself
[1:31:26] versus their property their actual
property I think we should leave it
[1:31:33] in I think what yeah I think what Paula
said is like because then you can kind
[1:31:38] of gauge the you know your the the
worthiness of your responses you know
[1:31:45] like are you getting you know are you
getting these 10 to 14 year year people
[1:31:49] the diversity of the particip yeah the
diversity yeah I think you're and I
[1:31:54] don't know how if you could say it
differently so people don't feel so well
[1:31:58] that's a personal question you know like
in order to make I I don't I don't know
[1:32:03] if you know if in order to make sure
that question even relevant though what
[1:32:07] are you going to do that information me
I don't see any relevance at all I
[1:32:12] didn't Nei until Paul said that ask from
our audience I don't care whether you
[1:32:15] for five years or 20 yeah but we want to
make sure we're reaching everybody like
[1:32:20] all different I think it doesn't hurt as
long as it's not
[1:32:25] understand what that means well to make
sure that we're you know that we're our
[1:32:28] responses are from a wide variety ofid
you know it's not just the the the ones
[1:32:35] that have only have just been here for a
year it's you know it's the the ones
[1:32:39] that have been here question I mean it's
just you go back to number five and six
[1:32:44] would you be willing to offer your what
we really want to know I mean it is
[1:32:47] you're going to run or not I mean and
what would is it Adu that that brings
[1:32:51] you home I mean what I would be
[1:32:56] that's my reason why because
when analytics of the survey
[1:33:02] itself who who who is this
survey who is without identifying the
[1:33:09] actual person because we don't care who
the person is we just want demographics
[1:33:13] about it's all electronic right it's not
being mail monkey okay do they have to
[1:33:19] answer could they skip that question and
still complete the survey will you me do
[1:33:23] that absolutely we
can you could put in yeah not required
[1:33:28] or whatever right yeah maybe do that and
then it's to them if they want to we
[1:33:34] would have you know if everybody answers
it great if nobody were like well we
[1:33:37] didn't need to do that or something um
on that note as we are making it
[1:33:43] available because we're asking property
owners who don't live here so it's going
[1:33:47] to be digital available to anybody
that's has a relationship to folly or
[1:33:52] property own Folly basically
good and then I think there's the idea
[1:33:56] about mailing to somebody is probably a
good one at least for people that here
[1:34:00] locally I don't know how because we
certainly can't send it out to thousands
[1:34:04] of 2400 we know how many long MERS are
out there and we know who they are where
[1:34:09] they but this is something we could you
could do a mail for them for the
[1:34:13] long-term rental part yeah for wh
whomever is long-term renting currently
[1:34:18] yes what I'm saying is that we've got
you know that 1100 other properties or
[1:34:22] whatever it is 1,200 properties out
there that are
[1:34:25] either uh that don't live here so we
want to get those are the people who
[1:34:30] might have a stock of houses that we can
incentivize right so I'm just trying to
[1:34:34] make sure that we're getting well I'll
talk to Stacy about the email addresses
[1:34:38] that she has for
investors so that we can make sure that
[1:34:42] we're reaching all the people that we
want to reach just any proper so if
[1:34:45] somebody own seven properties versus two
properties versus one would they fill
[1:34:52] out the electronic how would they how
would you monitor them filling it out
[1:34:57] that's true four separate times I've
thought about that and I haven't come up
[1:35:01] with an answer seven seven times if it's
not an actual piece of Mony is so um
[1:35:06] you're able to manipulate it so much
that I bet I can figure out a way to say
[1:35:09] if you do you long-term rent how many
properties and if it's more than one
[1:35:15] then you know I'll get the well there's
not that many it would only be the how
[1:35:20] much you charge is the only you have to
or how long you I think you can set it
[1:35:24] so the same email address can't answer
more than one time if there's two owners
[1:35:28] of the property then how how would you
get accurate answers if your emailing it
[1:35:32] to them and they have two separate email
address dat data we're looking for is
[1:35:36] appetite out there right so two we might
get to but if I'm on the date somebody
[1:35:42] else is on the date and you send it to
two different email addresses
[1:35:45] technically your questions should just
be
[1:35:47] one email yeah one set of questions
where you can say how many properties
[1:35:53] one two or three you would get a
duplicate answer if you send it to both
[1:35:58] me and my spouse who own the properties
spouse I thought you meant like an LLC
[1:36:03] that had two different but all that how
would you regulate electronically well
[1:36:08] don't you want as many yeah inputs I
don't think it matters like you might
[1:36:11] have one opinion and Chris
has your spous might have different
[1:36:15] opinions on what you might support and
so we would like to have your answers
[1:36:18] for both and I can't imagine that
someone who's currently got a long-term
[1:36:22] rental has answer or planning to answer
the question about how much do you
[1:36:26] charge I don't they probably are going
to give you the same answer because they
[1:36:30] know how much they charge I don't think
it matters to have more than one opinion
[1:36:33] from the same household on most of it
except for how much do you charge well
[1:36:38] in Reverse if it's the tenants
answering we should still how valid is
[1:36:45] this information going to be if we only
get a 50% response you might get we
[1:36:49] might get 10% we're not this isn't going
to be a statistical analysis of this
[1:36:53] y'all this is
you an appetite of what we think of
[1:36:56] people who are who are who who hit s
yeah I know it's probably just one of
[1:37:01] these things that we need to do but
sometimes surveys can back people went
[1:37:08] talk to their friends and got some
answers that's how this is going to
[1:37:10] benefit I keep thinking about the police
officers saying about speeding and if we
[1:37:16] don't if we if we survey and we don't
and we're surveying to kind of move into
[1:37:22] a direction of getting uh lower speed
limit for not to say that we don't have
[1:37:28] a great speed limit here but if it if we
don't get the answers it might backfire
[1:37:34] and I just don't want a survey like this
where we're trying to seek out you just
[1:37:39] want numbers that fire and then you know
if we don't get a good response rate we
[1:37:45] deem that as it's not needed if you
don't get a good response rate you don't
[1:37:50] have to put um any Credence give it cre
I think what she's saying is that I just
[1:37:55] if you don't get a lot of participation
that doesn't mean that this initiative
[1:37:58] is dead right you're more concerned like
concerned that if we don't get
[1:38:03] um real numbers like if there if electon
if electronically there's no way to keep
[1:38:11] the numbers accurate super accurate then
it could backfire and and and that a
[1:38:17] survey if you don't get enough
participants it might make it seem as
[1:38:22] though we don't AFF inacurate Insight
might gleam out it backfires all I just
[1:38:28] I get worried with surveys in
general what is your suggestion if it's
[1:38:34] just a run-of-the-mill thing that the
city needs to do to say that we did it
[1:38:37] so that we can move on to the next step
that's that's one thing we need it yeah
[1:38:41] we yeah we need it we need it we as for
but at the same time I I'm hesitant just
[1:38:48] like you say if they hit number one and
they're like oh I don't like this survey
[1:38:52] turn off the computer well I'd rather
not I'd rather get no data than get
[1:38:57] totally skewed wrong data you know what
I mean like I I have to say that that's
[1:39:00] why I'm considerate of how much people
are willing to answer and how personal
[1:39:06] it is I just want to be respectful
because I think people who click on it
[1:39:09] decide they're going to participate are
either going to answer as accurately as
[1:39:13] honestly as they can or they're going to
turn it off and that's fine like I don't
[1:39:17] think anybody's going to click the link
if they are not interested in completing
[1:39:21] how I move the question about how long
you lived here to the end not
[1:39:26] required probably so the first question
is how much do you charge per mind maybe
[1:39:32] we should look at no I think I think we
can reshuffle it but like do you think
[1:39:35] we should prioritize affordable housing
to me feels like a good start right I
[1:39:40] mean probably wouldn't continue if you
disagree you probably click on the link
[1:39:44] in the first place or maybe you want to
tell us you don't think it's important
[1:39:48] but I also just back to how this part of
the conversation started I don't want
[1:39:52] somebody owns three or four long-term
rentals which some people do to have to
[1:39:57] do the whole thing multiple times I
think we need to add a do you you know
[1:40:01] do you own one um is very customizable
that way they will not have to be more
[1:40:07] than one perfect because most of the
questions you can answer once right but
[1:40:11] right how much per rent
and and maybe you say in the beginning
[1:40:16] of the survey like this little cover
sheet you know hey we real you know
[1:40:20] we're just we're trying to just you know
get some sort of picture of what you
[1:40:25] know um those who live here work here
own a business here are willing to do
[1:40:30] and interested in doing so that people
aren't like oh my God this is how it's
[1:40:34] going to be you know kind of thing so
maybe they can keep that in their head
[1:40:38] while they're answering these questions
you know you would get more of a you
[1:40:42] know you want people to maybe dream a
little bit and be like oh yeah I might
[1:40:45] do that you know that would be
interesting you know because that's good
[1:40:48] info you're like okay there's a little
bit of an appetite for that it's not
[1:40:51] well I'm not doing this tomorrow you
know you want people to think that's
[1:40:54] what's going to happen tomorrow like you
want them to kind of you know project
[1:40:57] out and think of you know what what is
possible you know for that so if somehow
[1:41:03] the writing or you know the the
description could somehow lean that way
[1:41:08] a little bit doing so that they're not
like oh my God if I say yes this is what
[1:41:11] I'm gonna have to do or something too
yeah I think it's so important say we
[1:41:15] like to hear from the voices and the
ideas or not the ideas but we'd like to
[1:41:20] hear input from our business owners our
property owners or residents Etc and
[1:41:25] your voice is important to us as we
consider this initiative you know right
[1:41:29] I don't know if we even need to be
asking how much they charge to rent out
[1:41:33] their property if we're not considering
the square footage of the house and how
[1:41:38] many bedrooms and bathrooms are in here
and I don't see bedrooms or bathrooms I
[1:41:41] have note on that too that we you say
like per unit do you do you rent I get
[1:41:45] bedroom or bathroom number four then
number one two and three do have ask we
[1:41:49] are asking bedrooms and bathrooms but
I'll add it for number four for the for
[1:41:54] for four
and yeah another one in there do you
[1:41:59] rent per unit per bedroom right Full
House or how much do
[1:42:04] you the square footage doesn't matter
it's the number of bedrooms that right
[1:42:08] number of people who are in there yeah
number
[1:42:12] people all right number five business
owners I think this is going to be a
[1:42:18] tough one it's going to be hard to fill
out with the questions how far do they
[1:42:23] have to go how many of them are cost
burden I don't know that this is going
[1:42:28] to get filled out at all for business
owners but um so I do think that the
[1:42:34] average commute for employees is a huge
motivating factor on both sides I think
[1:42:39] that one should at least stay that means
they have to survey every single
[1:42:43] employee that's the only reason I think
they won't do it is just because they
[1:42:46] don't want asking the employees
themselves so we can get the actual data
[1:42:49] instead of having the manager figure it
out for every employee oh yeah excuse me
[1:42:53] this is business owners business owners
where's the other one what if you ask
[1:42:56] what about well like business owners
thinking you know okay if you own a
[1:43:00] business out here you know what are you
willing to do for your employees like I
[1:43:06] think it is kind of nice to know though
that the average commute so I think
[1:43:09] again make it easy though is it one to
five miles is it you know 5 to 10 or
[1:43:15] more just in general because there are
going to be some people live on the
[1:43:19] island even the average I don't know if
it's going to help us too much but some
[1:43:23] people live on the island that work
there and 90% of them live off the
[1:43:26] island but asking if they're housing
costs burdened is yeah asking them how
[1:43:32] much do you pay for itent right now and
let me get out the calculator and well
[1:43:37] we don't have we don't have to ask them
number five we're telling ask Define
[1:43:43] that is 30% of your monthly income means
your house burden what is your househ
[1:43:47] income and what is your Brent I don't
think the business you're asking the
[1:43:50] business no this is number six this is
number five on business owners survey
[1:43:56] five business owners oh well maybe we
should take out number five on business
[1:44:00] owners yes I think we just need to
strike that one they don't have a way
[1:44:07] to I mean it's important to know but I
don't think they're going to be able to
[1:44:11] answer it it's not their responsibility
it's really their guess it is totally
[1:44:14] guess and I think with number six we're
asking individually so yeah you're
[1:44:19] getting it there maybe we should check
out number two
[1:44:24] I'm talk about the whole survey just
take just take out the whole business
[1:44:27] owner survey uh I don't know if I so all
right so what part tell me what specific
[1:44:33] I don't know necessarily if if if if
five is you'd keep it in or number two
[1:44:38] because what does it matter how many
they employ if some might live here and
[1:44:43] some might not but also some might be
able to work from home well let's think
[1:44:50] about how many businesses most of them
are going to going to be something in
[1:44:55] the relationship with tourism right so
it's going to be mostly hospitality and
[1:45:00] you know Boutique shops and whatnot or
you know what I mean so I I I think it'd
[1:45:06] be interesting to know okay I employ six
people two of them live on the island
[1:45:10] the rest of them don't so that tells me
that there's four people that may be
[1:45:15] interested in being closer to their job
I guess is kind of where or maybe on the
[1:45:21] cusp but not being able to stay question
correct correct that's actually other
[1:45:25] thing I definitely would take five out
of that one though it's just not yeah I
[1:45:29] would take one out I don't think it
matters how long I business I agree too
[1:45:33] okay um how many people how many live on
the island does average commute time
[1:45:38] matter I think if they feel like they
can answer that question you know maybe
[1:45:44] just do the it depends on how 1 to three
miles and then you know three to
[1:45:51] five and then on
[1:45:55] that I I know that it's it's an
important question of of of my place of
[1:46:01] work cuz the commute seems to be
the the the the daily um issue as to
[1:46:09] whether or not people will show up or
not this always comes back to the the
[1:46:13] commute well I couldn't because there
was a wreck and took it you know the
[1:46:20] commute seems to be an ongoing issue for
you could just give a range yeah just
[1:46:26] break a box for right so taking five out
for business owners anything else and
[1:46:30] taking one out taking one out taking
five out and then and the ranges for the
[1:46:36] I I also would be interested and I'm not
going to word it right right out of my
[1:46:39] mouth but something about would
affordable housing on Folly help you
[1:46:43] recruit Talent or help you recruit and
retain across the board I would think so
[1:46:48] but like you know what it you might hear
people say I don't really have that
[1:46:52] problem you know or it doesn't it's not
a decision for me well I guess you're
[1:46:57] kind of asking that with number six is
would you be willing to participate in
[1:47:00] affordable housing true say yes then
they think it it would allow them maybe
[1:47:05] like so maybe you could read into it a
little bit if you get yeses or knows
[1:47:09] true well it says would your business
benefit if there's no I mean why
[1:47:14] wouldn't they want to participate yeah
because participating in afford housing
[1:47:19] program might make them sign up to pay
for
[1:47:23] right I was going to say participate and
think want want the city to do it or
[1:47:27] this one here is Folly Beach
offers well it says would you be willing
[1:47:32] to participate in an affordable housing
or workhouse program we don't have any
[1:47:36] of those developed yet but in that
program we could say in order to be a
[1:47:40] participant in this the business owner
needs to pay out this much and then the
[1:47:43] city will match it or whatever the city
will contribute so it it it is a that's
[1:47:49] an important question question that we'd
need to to know if they if be
[1:47:53] willing to match or contribute match or
contribute or something like that to
[1:47:58] yeah when you say participate
participate pay into it well I I think
[1:48:03] participate is a yeah would you it's a
non-scary question if you so are we
[1:48:09] talking about number seven changing or
is this adding a second another question
[1:48:12] I think if you say
participate then it will it could be
[1:48:17] defined later as to what participate
means if you if you ask them if they
[1:48:22] want to participate in paying out
they're going to say no until they know
[1:48:27] all of the details and we don't have all
the details so if you say participate
[1:48:30] it's not scary well I think there's are
two different things though would I love
[1:48:34] to encourage my employees to take
advantage of a of a city offered program
[1:48:38] that the city's paying for or you asking
me to contribute from my business well
[1:48:44] that's why we leave it as willing to
participate and an affordable house
[1:48:47] until we have that program worked out
they could say yes for many reasons and
[1:48:53] it still wouldn't backfiring them saying
yes could mean one thing or saying yes
[1:48:58] could mean another again we just want to
know what if you just put like an aster
[1:49:03] by participate and kind of said you
know like you know elaborated a little
[1:49:08] bit like this this may come in many ways
you know whether you contribute whether
[1:49:13] you just have employees or pay into it
we're still defining what this means but
[1:49:18] you know but that's where you might hook
them into not wanting to answer that
[1:49:25] right then they don't have I like it
just how okay we'll leave it like that
[1:49:29] it's another one of those where you
participate John wants to say something
[1:49:33] can we invite just use the word
initiative instead of all those you're
[1:49:37] talking about put initiative
means well we're talking about the the
[1:49:43] word the misunderstanding that it might
be would you participate or would you
[1:49:47] pay into and contribute just use the
partipate is in there it's would you
[1:49:54] participate in the inititive right
that's we already have that word in the
[1:49:57] would you participate in the initiative
all right I I get
[1:50:02] it let's talk about workers on yes would
you be willing to participate in same
[1:50:09] thing
yes um so this one gets to what is your
[1:50:15] commute time I add ranges for that one
would you consider moving we could add
[1:50:20] ranges for that one too this Ed those
two miles for what would be
[1:50:27] um I definitely do the bullet points
like ranges for you we'll do ranges for
[1:50:33] those what you say within a 15 to 20
mile radius I have to say that I think
[1:50:38] there's going to be a lot of people that
are in 15 to 20 miles that I don't think
[1:50:42] are going to think that's a Folly Beach
initiative 15 miles is like Costco in
[1:50:48] West Ashley like I I think we need to
would you be willing would you be cons
[1:50:54] consider moving 15 minutes yeah 15
minutes it's very different I mean
[1:50:58] literally think about how far it's only
day three miles to four miles to ro
[1:51:04] Costco is 9 and a half miles the
connector is seriously so I mean I knew
[1:51:10] sure you know Connor is seven miles so
just the connector is seven miles from
[1:51:15] there so just to get so take out the 15
to 20 and and and say five mile radius
[1:51:22] one mile radius what do we want to say
and I think we really need to know
[1:51:26] somebody's understanding the difference
between are we we're trying to help you
[1:51:30] get closer to folly or live on Folly
because living just AC over the bridge
[1:51:35] and here is folly and that's what people
think of they don't think of living in
[1:51:38] Seal glass apartments on James Island is
living on Folly so I think we and more
[1:51:44] importantly that's not um a resident
that pays taxes that not taxes cuz if
[1:51:52] renters right well they they still a
they're still a resident of yeah they
[1:52:00] put pay taxes in some realm little sales
high but with this we're just trying to
[1:52:05] determine the cost burden number of
people who work on the island in
[1:52:12] particular that's our only goal really
and on this one and how far they commute
[1:52:18] if they commute less would they be would
they be willing to work to participate
[1:52:25] in the program if it meant a smaller
commute time and I think it also is
[1:52:30] important to know not how many bedrooms
and bathrooms they have their current
[1:52:33] residence doesn't matter to me as much
is how many bedrooms and bathrooms do
[1:52:37] you need because you may right next
that's the third bullet under number
[1:52:41] three okay yeah I don't I guess I don't
know if number four is necessary like
[1:52:46] how many they have now wherever they are
we just need to know how many they need
[1:52:49] yeah that's true that was just from the
rest of them
[1:52:54] over and then on five I would do the
brackets again
[1:53:00] because privacy I guess
sure and then number six I know this
[1:53:07] says rank 1 to five this was a submitted
question that only had
[1:53:13] two answers but then asked as to rank
them so do you want to add something
[1:53:19] more to those or do we take the ranking
out and just say you could put in um
[1:53:25] somebody forgot to elaborate on that
there's
[1:53:28] only well you could put in um getting
some kind of assistance type thing
[1:53:34] wherever you live if you work on that
kind of
[1:53:40] thing I think we should maybe either
scratch that question or try again huh
[1:53:45] or just add that one and one to three
one to three
[1:53:52] I was the level of importance I think
you might want to also just add get my
[1:53:58] cost of
living down or like reduce my cost of
[1:54:02] living because you may have someone
that's here for three
[1:54:08] months bad example but someone who can't
afford to stay they might be here right
[1:54:13] now and they just can't afford to stay
so but if back to the public safety
[1:54:17] people right 600 bucks a month that's
just not enough for most people so I
[1:54:22] I don't know the right way to word it
but you know reduce my cost of living
[1:54:27] something like that might be
[1:54:32] helpful okay Jenna I also think did we
already say on number going back to
[1:54:35] number five here say city is interested
in whether you pay more than 30% of your
[1:54:39] monthly income and housing isn't that
sufficient why do I need to why do I
[1:54:45] need to know what their monthly income
is or what their mortgage is cuz well
[1:54:50] people aren't going to be able to figure
this out I think we're going to have to
[1:54:53] do it for them but also we want to know
the people who work on the island that
[1:54:59] helps us with what the median income is
right I
[1:55:05] yeah how else the workforce but not okay
instead of asking the 30% part like can
[1:55:12] we just ask two different questions
optional if you're willing to share what
[1:55:17] is your monthly household income X tox X
tox X tox click a box and and then what
[1:55:23] is your monthly rent or mortgage is it
this range this range that range then we
[1:55:27] can kind of just do our best to figure
it out for that's fine the reason I did
[1:55:30] that was just to give them a a reason
why we're asking that why does it matter
[1:55:34] how much their income is you know I want
to kind of explain it why we're asking
[1:55:38] actually I think it's a great idea maybe
instead of asking that question you
[1:55:41] could say the average you know income
Target is standard of living whatever I
[1:55:48] don't know the right words but and so
we're asking this so then like you can
[1:55:52] set it up instead of asking the question
to set it
[1:55:55] up I don't know I would it's the city's
interest is one thing but why is the
[1:56:00] city interested and where do we come up
with 30% I think just clarifying that a
[1:56:04] little bit better as to what's defined
as affordable housing what's
[1:56:10] average one last category I thought of
that we don't I don't think we really
[1:56:15] are addressing there's people who work
on the island but I think it's really
[1:56:18] fair to hear from the long-term renters
Who currently live on the Island because
[1:56:23] there's a lot of you know there's a lot
and there has been a lot but they don't
[1:56:27] all work own the island they own
businesses on the island maybe they do
[1:56:30] work on the island maybe they don't but
they've just been here for 20 years I
[1:56:33] think that would be a good idea really
helpful plenty of them are scared that
[1:56:38] they won't be able to continue living on
that th% okay and I guess would
[1:56:45] you ask oh never mind I would say how
long you Liv on the island do you work
[1:56:51] on the island
um you know how many same as number five
[1:56:57] people who work in the C find out about
30% if we can
[1:57:03] yep um you know again I think how many
bedrooms do you and your family need or
[1:57:09] something like that too because again
you've got single people and you've got
[1:57:12] whole
families
[1:57:14] and I wouldn't be surprised as long as
it's Anonymous that we get really
[1:57:19] because I think we say what is it now I
think need to say what is your budget
[1:57:24] that you can afford to live on the
because there are people who pay
[1:57:28] $800,000 who always have pay that and
there's people who are really struggling
[1:57:32] to pay 25
253,000 now so just honestly
[1:57:37] understanding not not just what you pay
but kind of what is your what is your
[1:57:43] budget you know and somebody might
say I paid $1,000 but I could I could
[1:57:49] stay on the island for500 do you know
what I mean
[1:57:53] gotcha I think we'll be surprised at how
many people live on the island that do
[1:57:58] work on the island but maybe don't don't
work at
[1:58:02] Hospitality yeah or people that
long-term rent that don't work on the
[1:58:06] island yeah I think so too and those
those those are going to be people we
[1:58:11] see I think that have we're going to see
have lived here the longest or lived
[1:58:14] here a long
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[1:58:16] time I have one more question on that
one what else do we want to
[1:58:22] email me let's say let's take until
Friday if you have any followup
[1:58:27] questions if you think of something you
want to add clarify whatever give me
[1:58:31] until I'll give you until Friday and
then I'll certain the survey out next
[1:58:35] week um we generally do a month to get
encourage more responses so that means
[1:58:44] you will have the results back at the
November meeting and what's our resource
[1:58:49] for pushing it out all of our stands on
um social media uh the website we'll
[1:58:56] mention it at Council meetings we'll put
it on the sign we'll put in
[1:59:00] sanser Stacy's list
perhaps
[1:59:09] all great so we scrapped them we didn't
scrap any of them in the end right A Lot
[1:59:14] the business no I mean one whole survey
we didn't scrap the business owner one
[1:59:18] we just
got okay so next meeting is October
[1:59:23] oober so I will work up the tree um
suggestions recommendations and have
[1:59:28] that to you to vote on and I'm not sure
what you'll talk about for um this longm
[1:59:34] having a public hearing what do you want
to do that in we we can talk after about
[1:59:40] well I just meant with no like agenda to
make any decisions but just to hear
[1:59:45] anyone who wants to come if the email or
survey is going out
[1:59:52] in another
week well I guess that's only going to
[1:59:56] be like two weeks before the next
meeting it'll go out on the 16th so
[2:00:00] it'll be two weeks before the next
meeting so maybe three weeks it's
[2:00:04] calendar how long are we going to leave
the survey open a
[2:00:08] month a month but if we did a public
hearing next month it would just give
[2:00:12] anyone like Mr McFarland who wants to
come and make a comment and say I have
[2:00:16] these ideas or I have these questions
those kind of things okay so public
[2:00:21] hearing o % and nobody May them you
never know but yeah and we're always
[2:00:26] taking um uh suggestions or they don't
have to become the person to to give
[2:00:31] their comments they can also email me so
what percentage do you think we're going
[2:00:35] to get back on any survey you send out
so on our average is about 200 200
[2:00:43] people so for something like the um what
we should do with the new park horz park
[2:00:49] that's there on here we got about 200 20
um that would I think be a maximum for
[2:00:56] all of these combined would be my
prediction the the senior survey two of
[2:01:03] those just went out each one got over
200
[2:01:06] people yeah I'm impressed the senior one
did because the The Avenues to reach
[2:01:10] them aren't the same it's and it's a
smaller population
[2:01:16] yeah great is there a motion to
a sorry sorry I have a very early
[2:01:23] morning