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Good evening, everyone. A hereby call to order the Tuesday, February 11th, 2025 meeting for the Final Act County Board of Supervisors. As is our tradition, we will have the presentation of colors, followed by a moment of silence, followed in turn by the pledge of allegiance.

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This evening, we have the military funeral honors team from American Legion post 75 presenting

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the colors.

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Please rise.

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Thank

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you, gentlemen.

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The roll call this evening.

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We have one moment here.

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We have 22 supervisors, 23 supervisors present,

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but supervisor stands and supervisor Simon being excused.

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First item on the agenda this evening is to approve the minutes of the January

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twenty-first twenty-five meeting of the Fondalac County Board. Is there a motion to approve?

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Motion by a supervisor, Fenrick, second by a supervisor, Herr Lash.

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Are there any errors or missions or corrections to the minutes?

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Okay, I don't see any. I'm moment and we'll move to the vote.

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We're ready.

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All those in favor, press your button. I oppose nay.

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Karen, yes or no? We good? Okay.

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Okay, the minutes have been approved.

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22 in favor and non-opposed with supervisor Griffith abstaining.

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Our next item on the agenda is a report to the finance personnel and economic development

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committee on mileage, per DM and expenses for January 2025.

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Okay, I'll read the totals per DM, $1,890, mileage, $875 and 95 cents, $43 and 50 cents and expenses,

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and $2,800, $9.45 both claimed and allowed.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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Motion by supervisor Rickert, second by supervisor Conley.

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Are there any questions or comments about the report?

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I don't see any, so we'll move to the vote.

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All those in favor, press your button.

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I oppose name.

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The report has been approved 23 in favor and none opposed.

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Our next item is a resolution supporting the application

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for a broadband equity access and deployment grant by connect holding to LLC doing business

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as bright speed to support their project in Final Eccony. This is dated February 11th, 2025,

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and submitted by Finance Personnel and Economic Development Committee, and just to FYI,

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finance did meet prior to this meeting in all the resolutions that you will be seeing from finance

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We're all approved and committee tonight.

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Are this afternoon?

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Okay.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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Motion by supervisor Ryan second by supervisor Mike Will.

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Are there any questions or comments on the resolution?

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Questions or comments?

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I don't see any.

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We'll move to the vote.

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All those in favor, press your button.

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I oppose nay.

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The resolution has been approved.

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23 in favor and none opposed.

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Our next resolution is supporting the

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application for broadband equity, access and deployment grant by Frontier North Incorporated

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doing business as Frontier Communications to support their project in Fondalak County.

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And this is also submitted by Finance Personnel and Economic Development Committee.

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Yes, they're motion to approve motion by Supervisor Van Heisen, second by Supervisor

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And any questions or comments on this resolution?

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Okay, I don't see any.

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So we'll write to the vote.

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All those in favor, press your button.

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I oppose nay.

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Resolution has been approved.

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23 in favor and none opposed.

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Our next resolution is authorizing the property officials to execute

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a lease agreement with the Wisconsin State Senate for the office of

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Wisconsin State Senator Daniel Fein for fields office space within

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the Final Act County campus, effective March 1st, 2025.

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The fiscal note states that we are

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amending the Final Act County campus adopted 2025.

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Next

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resolution is adjusting the

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Schedule for the Food Safety and Recreational Licensing Program, operated by the Funnel Act

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County Health Department, effective April 1, 2025.

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Okay, is there a motion to approve?

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Motion by Supervisor Depperman, second by Supervisor Conley.

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Any other any?

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I'm sorry.

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Supervisor Hayes.

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A question about the resolution and the chart that goes with it, it's not clear to

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the chart has various percentages in it, so it's not clear to me which of those

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columns are the fees that will be in. Okay, force. You're, Kim, you would you

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mind coming up and explaining that just a little bit if you don't mind.

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Thanks,

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Kim.

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Question again? Yes, in the resolution, it doesn't choose from any of, there's a

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And the chart, yes, that goes from like 0 to 5%, so which of those columns are the fees?

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It's not clear to me what the fees will actually be.

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So right now, 2024 to 2025, the current fees is in the zero,

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percent, like if we didn't increase it for this next year, you would see those, those would be the fees.

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And so if you go to the one through 5%, that would be the projected fee increase, and that would be overall for all of our establishments within our entire program.

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Okay, so the 5% column is what the new fees will be.

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Could be if we choose the 5%.

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So basically what the resolution is saying is it's giving us an ability to choose from zero to 5%.

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Based on the need of the program.

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Okay, I think in the past we had to set fee that came in, right?

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every year so we in the past five years ago in 2020 January I brought this same resolution to the board

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which gave us this same ability for five years and so now that resolution is over and now I'm

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asking to do the same thing I've done for the last five years. Okay great thank you so much.

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You're welcome. Are there any other questions or comments?

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Okay I don't see any thanks Kim.

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We'll move to the vote then. All those in favor, press your button. I have posed

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name.

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Resolution has been approved. 23 in favor and none opposed.

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We have a resolution allocating $920,000 received from the City of Fondalac for closure

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of tax increment district. Ted. Number 10. It's a various departmental budgets.

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Okay, the fiscal note states that we are

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amending the adopted 2025 Fondalac County budget.

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Therefore, this resolution requires the approval of

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at least two thirds of the members elect of the county board.

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920,000 dollars received from the closure of

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Ted district number 10 was received,

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receded against the 2024 budget.

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This was unanticipated in the 2024 adopted Fondalac County

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budget, resulting in a surplus at year end of 2024.

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At the close of 2024, the surplus will be carried over to the 2025 budget to fund continued

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services with ITRA and the renovations of the veterans park.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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Motion by supervisor, streeter, second by supervisor Ryan.

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Okay, are there any questions or comments on this resolution?

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I have a few things.

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First of all, the money for the Veterans Park.

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We were going to try to raise money for that,

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but I'm just wondering why we are applying that amount of money to Veterans Park.

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The other part of the resolution is the,

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I think it's for Oracle, right?

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So, I'm wondering why we keep spending so much money on Oracle and how much more money

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are we planning to spend on it and what is the overall amount we've already spent on Oracle?

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And then the other part, the other thing that I want to know is why are the two resolutions

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together?

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I know the funding's coming from the same place, so that makes sense, but I just feel like putting

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something on with something that that has to do with veterans, makes people feel pressured

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and devoting for something that maybe they don't want to vote for.

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Okay, Mr. Kaufman, would you care to address that?

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I'll, yeah, if I could, I'll have Scott also come talk about the Oracle project itself.

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The procedure, there's nothing wrong with putting these items in the resolution itself.

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finance had a concern about it that could have addressed it, but they chose to vote out

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in the resolution together.

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The veterans park among the estimates we now have are of course to probably a million,

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just an over a million.

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It originally was anticipated to be about $1.8 million, and it came in just roughly $1 million.

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We met with different donors.

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We did tell them at that time we had $100,000 for the project.

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knowing there was going to cost, you know, a million or more part of the issue we ran into,

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which was expected, was to fit into the community that if we're going to ask major donors

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to come in that there had to be a greater participation from the county in the project.

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Not just a hundred thousand dollars towards this with it.

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So this was unexpected, fun to we thought this was a great opportunity now to go ahead and increase

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our contribution towards the project, which would be roughly around 450,000, a part of this

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already from donations we've received, now we have the ability to go back and go to the

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donors, and now let's say for the remaining funds to try and close off the remaining balance

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of our own four to five and a thousand else we'll need to bring it to the project up and going

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this year.

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If for some reason, the project falls through, because we lack a funding, I would anticipate we would come back with a go to a

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reall case of those funds out into the general fund. We're also wherever somebody feels that it should go to at that time.

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Thank you Scott, you want to come up and address the question about Oracle and the continued funding for that?

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The essence or the what you're looking at is an asset.

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We don't know exactly how much we're going to spend of that.

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It's going to be kind of on a as needed basis.

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Better now.

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I'll speak in a little bit.

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So it'll kind of be on a as needed basis.

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But there are a couple modules that we haven't even implemented yet.

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There's a recruiting module, there's also an EPM module, and you got to understand, we

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turned this product up in less than nine months, okay?

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We spent two years with a different vendor, okay?

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We essentially took nothing out of that, okay?

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Because that obviously was a failed environment implementation, and we turned this up in nine

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months.

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So in nine months, we configured this entire system, right?

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That isn't, that was a tremendous lift by our implemented to get that done in nine months,

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understand that.

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So now what we have is, like I said, we have a live system, it's working well, however

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there are certain pieces, it's configured, but there are certain pieces for this handoff

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to happen, where obviously now our staff is in charge of these modules.

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Now we're running the modules, but there's going to be a lot of knowledge transfer that's going

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to happen over the next few years.

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So with adding implementation, whether it was the first one or the second implementer

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that we went with. There was always going to be probably some level of managed services. That's

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just the nature of IT period. Okay. We use managed services for a lot of different things where

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we want extra expertise. When you look at the managed services, it's a combination of services

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in the U.S. and some are off-prem. Okay. The off-prem services can vary anywhere from $37 to $40

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an hour. Okay. I can't hire employees with expertise for that price point. Okay. So there will always

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be a use case for managed services. It's just more cost-effective in some cases, the use

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managed services for certain things. And like I said, there are a couple modules. The

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PM module, there's also the HR recruiting module. We just didn't even have time to look

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at those modules. The PM module is one even going to play, if we decide to implement

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until 2016 because it will be for the two, I'm sorry, 2006 budget. So I was our plan

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to always kick off the implementation of that module

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and spring of this year.

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So today we can use it for the budget planning process

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so that we can go live with it in 20th.

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If we decide to use it.

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I mean, it seems like Oracle's becoming

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like the school referendums in Fondalek.

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How much was the failed implementation?

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How much total was that?

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Approximately around 4 million.

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Now, I mean, to clarify, yeah, go ahead Scott, yeah.

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I do want to tell you what the cost of Oracle is, right?

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The cost of Oracle that we locked in for a five-year period was $280,000,000.

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Okay? That's not a huge cost.

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Okay.

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Our Microsoft bill that we pay on an annual basis is in excess of $300,000.

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You know, less than $300,000 for what Oracle is is actually a very cost-effect product.

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But it was 4 million dollars that we wasted, basically.

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Oracle came with to us with a vendor, a vendor for implementation.

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We really didn't have a lot of control over that.

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We took the vendor that Oracle came as a preferred vendor.

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We went with it.

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Obviously two years into the process, we knew things weren't looking well.

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We brought in some extra eyes to look at the situation.

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And at certain point, we pull the plug and we will with the different implementer and and and and and in Brian's defense and I tears offensive that an incredible job to get us live, they got us, you know, you know, so much further than we would have been with CRC here, okay, and the two and and the two plus years that's here, CRC to head on the project, they did it in nine months and they got us live with a better implementation, it's the same product right it is it's the same product.

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It's all in the configuration, okay?

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All in the interfaces that you built into the product

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with all of our different vendors that we have.

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There's a tremendous amount

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into the implementation and getting it right.

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That's all I have.

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I'm just hoping that going forward,

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this isn't going to keep happening

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and that we aren't going to keep sticking money into this.

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And then...

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We'll always be paid as a SaaS product.

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We'll always be paying for the subscription, right?

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That will never go away, and like I said, 300 less than 300K is not a big cost, but from a managed services perspective, we will use it as needed, right?

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We'll use it when it makes sense, economically, for the colony to do so.

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It's a coffman, you think?

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Yeah, on as well.

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If I could just want to clarify a couple things on that.

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I should have concerned that survivors are there in hands, but I think just some background needs to be clarified.

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One, first of all, you know, the total bill, actually, if I go to what we contract with

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your Cedarfore was a certain amount, I think roughly about $6 million, when we see failed

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with Cedar Cedar, it failed in the sense that they didn't fully implement the product that

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we were told to get, but they did complete certain work, though.

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That work we wrote a billed off of with Iteria, to point where I went to Iteria came under the

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sure they're quote to us, didn't cost us any more than what the county board already approved

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for Sierra Cedar. So that was still active. We were still within what was approved to be done

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with it. I don't like the idea that we had to switch, but I made the decision to switch because

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I took a look at this product, what was going on, I realized if we had to stay with Sierra Cedar,

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it would have cost us a lot more money. Because the way they operated, the way they functioned

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in their communications with us, it just was not going to work out, so I'm very thankful to have

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I tour you there, with the room number two that, you know, although it's all tax money,

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the majority of the bill has been paid by our perfons. The county tax dollars itself,

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your actually came out to, I think, roughly around 2 million. The rest would pay for the

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ARPA funds itself on it. Ultimately, though, the reason why we have to pay so much money is because

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We had an outdated system that we should have been updating years ago.

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It's that we dragged our feet as a county and didn't update our system as it moved along.

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And a lot of it took time to try and convert all data into a brand new system.

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So that's where a lot of the time element came in was just having to spend time to do all that conversion

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with regard to it.

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So lesson learned.

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But now as a county board in the county, we've been trying to be very forward.

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To make sure that we don't have these problems going on, that we're staying up to date. They're by reducing some of our rover costly around, but yes, this is going to be a cause that's going to be ongoing, only with regard to the maintenance of the program itself. That's just an expense we're going to have to curl like every other particular program that has its feet to it every year on it. So if we want us to update with our computer systems in our program, I mean, it's just a cause we're going to expect as operational expense.

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And lastly, I just want to say, going forward, I am hoping that we don't tack on things that

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have to do with veterans or maybe our sheriff's department with things like or a co.

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I just think the two should be separate.

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And I was going to make a motion to separate those resolutions.

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I'm not going to do that, but if you're going forward, we really need to do that.

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Okay, thank you, supervisor Hayes.

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I have.

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My first question I have a couple questions.

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My first question is, what is the origin of this Ted money?

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And have we gotten it?

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I don't think we've gotten this since I've been on the board.

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How does it come to the county?

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And if we weren't going to allocate it to these two things,

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where would it go?

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I guess hang out a second.

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They're debating who should answer it.

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I can't answer the origin of that, Erin, can handle that because she handles the Tid.

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But we do get Tid's that clothes every year.

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So there was another 140,000 that we got in 24 on top of this 1920.

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And then there's been other years.

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And what happens at the year end?

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Because that just goes to 90 part revenue.

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It just rolls back to the general fund.

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Usually on the carryover at the end of the year.

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So it just goes into the general fund and then it'll either go into the salary contingency fund.

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However, with the surplus that we have, with executive copy, we decide what contingencies and

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where we're going to put it in the general fund, it's just kind of like a surplus.

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Aaron, would you like to address where the Tid started from?

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Well, it's a city of Fondalac Tid, number 10 that closed.

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And when it closes, then we get that text incremental funding from the lifespan of the

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Tid.

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There are other Tids that are open throughout the city of Fondalac, as well as the other

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municipalities and to usually open for like 30, 40 years. But occasionally when they close,

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then we get that tax increment back from them. Okay, thank you. The my other common

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has to do with the Veterans Park. First of all, I would have like to see this go to the

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year's committee as well because the Veterans Park is under the year's committee's jurisdiction.

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You know, when we started on this Veterans Park, we were told first of all that was all going to be raised

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than we gave 100,000 as seed money.

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Now we're uping it to 400,000 to be very honest.

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I would like to see, you know,

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I'm not real clear on how the fundraising has gone here.

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I think there are a lot of people in this community

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who would give money if we had a formal fundraising effort.

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I don't even know where the information is on that.

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And the other thing is, I just feel like helping our veterans

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maybe some housing for homeless veterans would be a higher priority for me and

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I agree with Angela. I think this should have come in separately. So I'm in a vote no one this resolution. Thank you

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Surprise or Mike. Well, thank you. I guess I want to follow up on some of the tip questions

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The 920,000 dollars

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What was the period was that was that for the whole

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I guess one of the close, there's not asked is because that's it was only six months.

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So next year we were expecting 1.8 million in revenue from that taxing to health.

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I guess I'd like to do a little bit more about it.

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I don't recall when the Ted 10 was open.

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It's one of the earlier tits that the city had.

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So it's not a six month tid or two year tid.

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I mean, they're usually open for a long period of time, so they can do the development within the district.

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Usually, like, like, like, we had a Ted disclose, and the village keeps all that money until that tip is closed.

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And after that point, it goes to the five separate taxing, so that 920 to me would be the

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I understand it did. Yes, that that's correct. Maybe I'm not

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Miss or maybe I'm not understanding, but that was for the life of the

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Tid for Fondalac County's portion.

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Again, I don't understand that

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because you don't get that credit back to my knowledge. You, it's, once it's

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turned back over to the Tid's closed. Right.

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Yes, I'm, I'm sorry. I'm not

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okay. I guess I could look into it further, but, um, right. That's all we will

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different that did it's done. You'll get the tax money every year for going forward.

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Yeah, sorry. Yes. Yes. We will. Now it's back on the tax roll. It's sort of

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late. It's on the tax roll. The 920 should have been for F of the kid clothes until

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they sent you a check. So I guess I just want to know what that would be. That was we would

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be from when the tip open. That's from the when the tip open to the time of clothes. Yes.

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What they've accumulated that did. Okay. Well, we'll do a little more

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As long as it's not relevant to what we're voting on here, we can do digging out.

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Supervisor Yaki?

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I just want to clarify about Oracle because it was started before I was on the county board.

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And I was wondering when did the project start?

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And also, I just want to clarify that it was only 200 million that the taxpayer put towards this.

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Thanks.

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You want to?

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Is it only $2 million? And then this, you know, this, if it passes.

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Mr. Coffman, you want to address both of those if you don't mind?

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The local project started when I was in a county board.

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I think this, if I recall Eric correct that, I think there was on 2020.

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I remember coming to the Finance Committee and then coming to county board.

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I think there was on 2020.

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On 2021, there's one that actually had started through Sierra Cedar.

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And then in 23,

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24, 23, as I said when we start to see more problems with Sarah Cedar and then ultimately a terminated Sarah Cedar.

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As far as the dollar amount of the amount built so far of the contract amount, the county itself has paid, I believe, around $2,000,000.

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The rest was our preference.

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That answers your question.

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Yes, thank you.

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Okay, I'm sorry, Tammy, did you wish to comment?

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No? Okay.

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Sufrazer Griffith.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I would like to see I really appreciate the comments

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that Supervisor Learning and Supervisor Hayes made about both.

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What would have been better, I think, about separating these two things and with proposal about the veterans park going through the ears committee.

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I think sometimes we don't go through the right committees of jurisdiction, sometimes there's several, and I appreciate that it's important to get input from several different committees sometimes.

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I'm also going to vote against this really for that reason, not because I'm fundamentally

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opposed to what the resolution is about, but I just think we need to be more attentive

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to making sure that the committees of jurisdiction get a chance to weigh in.

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And I think it would have been really worthwhile even to have possibly the Health and

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Human Services Committee weigh in because we also oversee the veterans affairs, excuse me,

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the Health and Human Development Committee.

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And I think it would be really interesting to have a conversation where we can talk with veteran service officer

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and these other committees about what really are the priorities, what would be most valuable and most appreciated by veterans.

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I don't think we really considered other options.

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I know this is an important project for veterans and I'm not against it, but I don't feel like we weighed it with other things as we might have.

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Any other questions or comments?

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Questions or comments?

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I don't see any.

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We'll move to the vote.

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All those in favor.

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Pressure button aye.

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Opposed nay.

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Resolution has been approved.

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Nineteen in favor.

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And four polls.

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What's the surprise of Griffith.

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Urlash brought and haze in opposition.

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Our next resolution is submitted by UW Extension Education,

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Agriculture and Recreation Committee.

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Resolution adopting the 2025 through

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29 Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan for Fondola County.

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Okay, is there a motion to approve?

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Motion by supervisor Smith, second by supervisor Brawl.

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Are there any questions or comments on the resolution?

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Questions or comments?

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I don't see any, so we'll move right to the vote.

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All those in favor, pressure button, aye.

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Opposed, nay.

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We did so.

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Are you, yes?

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There we go.

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Okay.

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The resolution has been approved 24 in favor,

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and none of Paul's supervisor Simon did join us.

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So he's the extribal person.

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Okay, before we get going on the presentation here,

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which is the next item on the agenda.

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Like to clarify a few things,

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kind of explain how we got here,

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introduce the board members, things like that.

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So first of all, thanks for everybody

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for coming to hear this.

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This is obviously a long time in the making

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from a presentation standpoint.

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We back on June 18th, I had submitted nine names

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for consideration for ad hoc committee.

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And they were approved by the members of this board,

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the committee's system consisted of five county board members

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and four members of the public.

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at this time I'd like to acknowledge those people that served on the committee.

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I know we know board members who you are, but people in the public don't.

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So as I announce you either please rise or call attention to yourself,

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so we can we know who you are.

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First I'd like to start with Dr. George Coots.

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On the back he served as chairman of the board.

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Or the ad hoc committee, I'm safe, I should say.

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Then we have supervisor Dean Will, he served as Vice Chair, and then we have supervisor Donbrook,

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and we have supervisor Griffith, supervisor Van Heisen, supervisor Mike Will, I'm sorry, chief deputy Kevin Galski,

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believe he stepped out, okay? Mr. Mark Hanchel and Mr. Sam Meyer. Thanks everybody for

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serving on the committee. The expectations of this committee were to have a

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transparency to the public throughout this process. All of the meetings were

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open to the public with the exception of the jail tours. The committee was asked to

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determine if a new jail was needed, and the logistics of what a new jail might be, and

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which would include some of the costs.

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The committee was also asked to make a recommendation to the county board, and the county

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executive at the end of their process is what ultimately brings us here this evening.

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This process started back on July 23rd.

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committee attended two jail tours, one in Final Act, one in Green Lake, and also seven meetings.

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The meetings concluded on December 19th, which is when they decided to conclude their meetings

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and make their recommendation to the board.

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This evening, Kurt Burner from Samuel's group will be leading the presentation.

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My plan is that we're going to allow questions during the presentation, but because this is an official county board meeting, questions are going to be limited to county board members.

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And the questions we're going to handle, just like we do anything else, please press your button.

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We'll get you in the queue and we'll answer them accordingly.

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Kurt can probably reiterate this, when he comes up here, we're going to try and hold some

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questions until we get a portion of the way through this because a lot of times the questions

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may be answered in subsequent slides. And Kurt can decide that. So Kurt, would you mind

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coming up and starting the presentation?

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This is our clicker.

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That is your clicker and it even works. And you're going to have to be careful to speak directly

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into the mic.

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So I'll get after noon, good evening everyone, my name is Kirk Bernard from the Samuel's

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group.

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Cory, you want to introduce yourself?

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Cory Blair with Venture Architects, and we have Kyle and Kyle with Venture Architects.

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So you're going to be here a while.

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I think you've probably printed out the slides. As the Chairman had talked about, we worked with the ad hoc committee for several months.

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Thank you all for your time putting up with us in really the goal of that process was to walk them through from overall jail general functions to existing conditions and into some options that we're going to explore with you here tonight.

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So with that said, we've got our introductions here, we've explained our names, we'll tell you a little bit about why we're even here.

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My background is a construction manager that has been working with many counties throughout the Midwest to be able to work on their projects from the very beginning,

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meaning the discussion of a need for a project, the planning, the overall operation and function

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of that project and the share of his and had asked me to come in and assist them with their

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jail knowing that you guys have been talking about that for several years. There's a component of

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that that we need to start to put together some preliminary drawings, some concepts in order to

452
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:49,560
engage those, I engage the services of venture.

453
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,360
So do you want to tell a little bit about your company?

454
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,500
So venture architects has been business for over 40 years.

455
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:59,040
We specialize in law enforcement, correctional, and justice facilities.

456
00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:06,540
We're part of a larger firm that has over 100 people and been in business for over 100 years.

457
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,360
So with that said, as we start to talk about the jail, we start to talk about jail functions.

458
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,020
we're bringing experience from other things that counties have done, the mistakes that they've

459
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:24,640
made, the successes that they've made, and we're going to talk about a lot of that here tonight

460
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,560
in regards to some of the recommendations, some of the advisements that we're discussed with the

461
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:36,120
committee and our goal is by the end of this presentation here tonight. You'll know more about

462
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:43,160
Then you did it at the beginning of the project the evening tonight and you'll know more about your jail specifically.

463
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:51,300
So general jail concepts, we toured the ad hoc committee through your existing jail,

464
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:54,360
and then we took them to Greenlight County.

465
00:39:55,140 --> 00:40:00,580
And when we toured Greenlight County, we were able to look at two completely different elements in regards to jail.

466
00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:07,320
So, I've put some slides together for the main purpose of being able to talk to you about

467
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:15,160
geo-general concepts, because most taxpayers know where the jail is within their community,

468
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:21,080
but they've never been in jail. And that's usually a good thing, right? That you haven't been

469
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,520
in jail. And most people will drive by a jail and they'll say, hey, it looks good to me.

470
00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:35,600
So our goal today is to talk to you a little bit about jail and their concepts.

471
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,380
So this first diagram here represents what we call a linear jail.

472
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,380
If you look at the light blue area that's on that schematic,

473
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:50,400
it's really a central corridor that runs from one end of the building to the other.

474
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,960
And on each side of that corridor there are jail cells.

475
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,320
and there are day rooms for those jail cells.

476
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,520
The description of linear is that it is a line.

477
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:03,340
It is a line of cells.

478
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
When you go across the state of Wisconsin

479
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,580
in the builds of the 50s, the 60s, the 70s,

480
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:13,260
and the 80s, you would find a majority

481
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:15,240
if not all were linear jails.

482
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,200
In the 90s, a new concept came on board

483
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,840
and we'll talk about that here in a minute.

484
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,460
But this linear jail has many issues associated with it operationally.

485
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:31,900
If you look at the starred areas that are on that diagram,

486
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,080
those starred areas represent a correctional officer's post,

487
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:40,460
meaning that a staff member needs to be there 24-7

488
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:42,480
in regards to the operation of that jail.

489
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,780
The thing about a linear jail is that there are no sight lines

490
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:56,980
for the individual that is in the correctional officer's post or master control to be able to see into the derooms or into the cells.

491
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:05,920
The other complication is that the flow or the movement of that correctional officer, the rovers that you will see the two start elements on the outside,

492
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:15,500
is really limited to that linear component and that there is no sightlines in regards to when they're interacting or when they're going into those deroom components.

493
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,680
The model that's laid out here is if we work from left to right that pink box that's on the left hand side would represent your

494
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:29,280
vehicle Sally port. So in the process of an arrest, the arresting officer would bring their squad into that vehicle

495
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,620
Sally port and at that point then they take that individual that's under arrest and they would bring them into the green area,

496
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:45,480
which would be your intake or your booking area. The booking area really ties into the passing of the

497
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,360
of the resting officer to the correctional officer.

498
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:53,300
Your jail does not have a pre-book area.

499
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:55,060
You walk right into a booking area

500
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:57,020
and we'll get into some of those components

501
00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:58,080
that are tied into that.

502
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:00,480
But obviously, this booking area,

503
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,100
where you're going to hear us refer to receiving cells,

504
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,660
those cells that are inside of that green area,

505
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:08,680
those boxes that are each side are called receiving cells.

506
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,960
And the intent for those receiving cells

507
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,060
is when a fresh to rest comes in

508
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:18,020
and when that correctional officer takes that individual they place them into that receiving

509
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:23,740
self or observation. The observation includes a classification process that we're going to talk about here

510
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:30,080
tonight. That receiving area becomes very important in regards to proper management of your

511
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:36,780
population. After the observation is done and after the classification has been done and after

512
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:41,380
the initial hearings have been taken place and it's identified that that individual has to go into

513
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:47,140
general population, then those individuals will move into that general population component

514
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:53,120
back into that blue area. So it's a different area of the population, but that's the flow

515
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,740
in regards to what that looks like from a jail component from the vehicle salary port actually

516
00:43:57,740 --> 00:44:04,820
into the housing space. This next concept that you're going to see here is a modular design.

517
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:14,640
It's really the pod component is that octagon or that trapezoid shaped element that's in there.

518
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:22,180
You will see multiple different arrangements of this, but the really the component that ties around a modular design is a sightlines.

519
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:32,880
You see that center star that's in the middle, that's where the correctional officer stays and they're able to see into each one of those day rooms and they're able to see into each one of those cells.

520
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,360
You do not have a pod design here.

521
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:39,580
We'll talk about that when we get into your existing conditions.

522
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:44,460
So it becomes very staff inefficient.

523
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,340
You'll see this one here as efficient.

524
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,280
We've got a day room around there that they're able to maneuver around.

525
00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:53,140
They're still within the site line of that correctional officer.

526
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:57,060
The safety is increased there because they're able to see all the interactions.

527
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:59,960
If there was something that was going to happen between in and in.

528
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,800
And that correctional officer, it's in a direct line of sight for that correctional officer that's in that pod control.

529
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:16,880
This one here represents that there is a pre-book area. That pre-book area is a space before that correctional officer will actually bring them into the booking area.

530
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:27,900
It's a space that you currently do not have. It's a space that is very important in regards to the report writing, the separation between that booking space and that pre-booking area.

531
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:33,970
So the difference is between the two of them you can see the concepts that are tied back

532
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:34,370
into that.

533
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:36,130
The configuration is still there.

534
00:45:36,350 --> 00:45:41,270
The flow goes from the Sally port into the pre-book, into the booking, into the housing

535
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:41,750
unit.

536
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:47,150
The jail portion, the component that's a linear versus paugillers, where you really start

537
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:49,810
to see the differences in the configuration.

538
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:54,040
This gives you an idea of that pod concept.

539
00:45:54,040 --> 00:46:04,360
So, typically, you will see the in order to be very staff efficient that individual that sits in that center correctional officers spot there.

540
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,660
You can see the sight lines that we represented.

541
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,440
They are actually able to monitor two floors.

542
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,620
So, it is a two-story housing unit so that one individual is able to look at two floors.

543
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:22,720
All the mollians, all of the window frames that are in there are aligned so that while that correctional officer is sitting at that desk,

544
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,840
they're able to see the upper level and they're able to see the lower level.

545
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:29,540
So what you did is in that linear jail when you only had one floor

546
00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:34,200
and you tie into those elements, you start to see the difference between those of where you can

547
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,320
or cannot see the sightlines that are tied back into that. You still have the rover that's there

548
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,980
and the rover is able to deal with this. So this pod design that's here and those sightlines

549
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:50,920
enhances your security and your safety for your correctional officers, different than the linear

550
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,680
jail, it is less labor-intensive in regards to the components that are tied into that.

551
00:46:59,010 --> 00:47:04,510
This model here represents the step from a jail-to-a-justice center and we're going to talk

552
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:07,810
about the key component and the connection to your courts.

553
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:13,950
So in this model, you'll still see that the pod is there, the rectangular portion that

554
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:19,690
is added on the right side is a diagram that identifies a couple of key safety and security

555
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:26,210
elements that are essential, that red line that connects between the housing unit into that

556
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:32,590
court representation is a secure corridor. It is to go from your housing unit into the

557
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:38,970
holding cells that would be adjacent to your court space. Nobody crosses that. It is an extension

558
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:44,730
of the jail. So when you start to build that and you put that within a facility, it starts to complicate

559
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:53,970
What that does for traffic flow because no one is to be in there other than a correctional officer and the inmate that then goes for their court hearing

560
00:47:54,710 --> 00:48:09,570
It's an important element and we'll talk about that when we get into some of the reporting that we got here on this campus in regards to some of the safety and security issues that you have in regards to getting your inmates from the housing unit over to courts

561
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:15,380
This year's a model and it you'll probably see it better in your

562
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:22,980
diagrams, but the lower level here, the most efficient designs that we've been a part of is

563
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:29,800
where you have the housing unit and the holding cells for the jail on a lower level and you

564
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:35,140
have the courts on an upper level. So that the inmate movement is through a very short court

565
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:40,540
or that takes them up an elevator into two holding cells or multiple holding cells that can then

566
00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:42,540
into the courtroom spaces.

567
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:46,620
The upper floor represents multiple courtrooms that would be there.

568
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:49,740
You'll see that red area shows the inmate movement.

569
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:56,240
They would take them from the jail space on the first floor up to the court space on the upper floor.

570
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,000
And holding cells are between both of those courtrooms.

571
00:48:59,260 --> 00:49:02,260
And it allows for that movement to be safe and secure.

572
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,120
No one else is going to be utilizing that.

573
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,600
Those elevators are managed by jail control by master control.

574
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:19,670
This diagram represents that in the model that is the safest and the most secure, the top

575
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:22,630
of it presents the public side of your courtroom.

576
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:25,870
The public side of that courtroom would be your public corridors.

577
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:31,030
It would be the conference rooms where attorneys will meet with their clients prior to coming

578
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:31,730
into the courtroom.

579
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:34,910
The center part of that portion is actually the courtroom.

580
00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:40,870
The center portion there that shows where the correctional officer in the detainee are,

581
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:45,930
with the elevator coming into that space and the bottom side of that corridor represents the

582
00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:51,650
judges, chambers, and the judges staff. In the safest model, in the most secure model,

583
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:58,870
the only place that all three parties meet is in the courtroom. There is no crossing of paths,

584
00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:05,710
there is no connection in regards to those elements. That's the model that is the safest and the most secure.

585
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:14,200
A bed count in classification, one of the things over the course of time that we've worked

586
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:21,560
with counties is classification has become a topic and an element in regards to how

587
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,740
our people properly classified and then how are they housed.

588
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:32,380
So we're showing a representation of the movement here of individuals coming into this

589
00:50:32,380 --> 00:50:34,060
housing unit.

590
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:44,280
This housing unit is a pod, and if you see around the pod or on the perimeter, you see individual jail cells, and those individual jail cells are then connected to a day room.

591
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,140
The day room that's tied to those jail cells is one classification.

592
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,400
So the individuals that are in that day room have to be the same classification.

593
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:05,920
In 2014, the DOC changed the code in regards to classification and they required an objective classification process by the county.

594
00:51:06,940 --> 00:51:10,100
There are many things that go into that classification process.

595
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:14,560
When an individual is under arrest in their broad-end,

596
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:18,380
in the correctional officer starts to go through their observation and classification,

597
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:20,740
there's multiple things that go into that.

598
00:51:20,740 --> 00:51:28,780
The prior conduct of that individual if they have a history of law issues comes into play.

599
00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:32,860
It can come into the impact of what they're there for.

600
00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:38,280
We have worked with counties that have had four or five individuals arrested under the same incident.

601
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,440
They may have been a part of the same crime, but they cannot be housed together.

602
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:50,120
For obvious reasons, you can't have them all camping out in the day room talking to one another about what's going on.

603
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,720
So what that does is it starts to complicate your classification process.

604
00:51:55,720 --> 00:52:00,780
The reason that I bring up classification is that it used to be about bed count.

605
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:05,800
Do we have too many people in our jail versus the number of beds that we're there?

606
00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:07,280
And that's still an element.

607
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,200
But the element that is really complicating things for counties throughout the state of

608
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:19,780
Wisconsin is, do we have the correct bed count in enough smaller areas that we can properly

609
00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:26,300
classify them. If you go back and you look at jails that were built in the 80s and 90s, there

610
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:29,040
were large dorms that were constructed.

611
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,940
The dorms were large areas, were bunks were put in place, and they could be anywhere from 10, 12, 14,

612
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:41,920
I've seen them up to 40 bed dorms. And it's a cheap space to build. It would be like if we built this

613
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,500
great big room for all of us, we do with one bathroom and one shower for all of us to deal with. And

614
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:54,400
then we all had our bunks. It's a cheap space. It's warehousing inmates. The problem is is that the classification

615
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:00,760
and tie to that, is that if I have a dorm of 40 hits in there, one individual can upset

616
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,700
the upset that entire number of beds that are in there.

617
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:08,100
So if I am somebody that sits in there and I'm a classification and nobody else has my

618
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:12,380
classification, but that's the only place that the correctional officers have to park you.

619
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:15,200
You've just consumed 39 other beds.

620
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:23,260
So it has really changed the way that jails have to manage their population with the issues

621
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:26,380
associated with the buildings in which they currently are housed.

622
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:31,600
So we're going to talk a little bit about classification when we get in to some of those elements.

623
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:38,040
So I will pause here. This was one of those areas. Are there questions that you have in regards

624
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,980
to those of general jail concepts?

625
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:45,190
Yes.

626
00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:55,250
Building a linear facility, a different price? Is it more

627
00:53:57,490 --> 00:54:07,850
It's a great question, I would say that it's probably about the same price in regards to building in construction, but operating it is more expensive.

628
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:13,390
So the bricks and mortar component, because a lot of that is driven by DOC standards.

629
00:54:13,930 --> 00:54:23,530
So we can't change the size of the cell. We can't change the size of the day rooms. Those elements that are tied into that are already driven or required by code.

630
00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:28,850
So, the square footage when we get into space programming doesn't really differentiate between them.

631
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:32,930
So, there's not a big variance between the price of linear and modular.

632
00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:34,930
Thank you.

633
00:54:35,290 --> 00:54:35,790
Other questions?

634
00:54:36,110 --> 00:54:36,990
Supervisor Brawl.

635
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:41,330
Just as a reminder, we want to use our key, because we got to turn your mic on.

636
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:44,590
So, if you just raise hands, that doesn't work for us back here.

637
00:54:45,110 --> 00:54:45,850
So, supervisor Brawl.

638
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:46,870
Thank you.

639
00:54:47,590 --> 00:54:52,970
So, you showed us a linear model in a modular model, are there other styles or models of

640
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:54,450
Jails that are designed?

641
00:54:54,930 --> 00:55:01,170
No, I mean, you what you'll see is your is really isn't like a great big line, yours is like a winding

642
00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:06,550
snake that's a line, right? So it's essentially a corridor that continues to do this and if you

643
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:11,370
walk down the corridor and there's a cell here, there's cell here that's a linear jail. It may not

644
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:17,710
look like a line, but when you're stacking jails cells on each side of the corridor, it's a linear

645
00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:23,470
jail. So to answer question, there are different configurations, but having that master control

646
00:55:23,470 --> 00:55:28,070
that is on one side and viewing it would separate the two of them as a better explanation.

647
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:32,470
Okay. And then I know there's a number of counties in Wisconsin that have been building

648
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:36,450
jails recently. Have they been all going with this modular style? Okay.

649
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:41,170
And then the other question that came to mind, I don't know maybe you're going to get this later,

650
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:46,970
but you talked a lot about the Justice Center and the different configurations there. Do you know

651
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:50,810
what the cost is to construct a justice center versus

652
00:55:50,810 --> 00:55:55,890
cost of state transporting inmates from one place, from a jail to the.

653
00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:57,450
We got all those details coming up.

654
00:55:57,450 --> 00:55:57,710
Okay.

655
00:55:58,410 --> 00:55:58,570
Wonderful.

656
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:59,470
Thank you.

657
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:59,910
Okay.

658
00:55:59,910 --> 00:56:00,790
So, Reservoir, Rolesh.

659
00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:06,070
So, with the modular model, we're talking about a less staff intensive.

660
00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:08,810
Does that mean that we're going to be reducing jail staffing?

661
00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:10,090
And that's necessarily.

662
00:56:11,070 --> 00:56:15,170
So, what you're running into right now, and we'll talk about that when we get into the

663
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:23,530
staffing. Your county is on the trajectory of continued inmate population. Whether you like it or not that's where you're trending.

664
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:33,730
So the fact of the matter is that as we start to develop and we'll talk about what is efficient in regards to the size of maybe I'll just touch on that right now.

665
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:46,090
That pod right there, the most we have found that the most efficient size of that pod is 150 beds and I'll explain why.

666
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:56,190
So if you look around the perimeter, all of those jail cells that are out there, all the jail cells are on the outside of that circle are driven by DOC code.

667
00:56:56,650 --> 00:56:59,190
There are dimensions that we need to comply with.

668
00:56:59,190 --> 00:57:04,030
So, just in vision that if we keep stacking them, let's say we go to 200, do we go to 250,

669
00:57:04,570 --> 00:57:06,570
we're going to put more and more of them in.

670
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:08,470
Now, my doughnut gets bigger, right?

671
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:13,530
So, you start to see that corridor that's around that officer station.

672
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:18,410
That corridor starts to become space that is really not being utilized.

673
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:22,590
Other than it's causing my correctional officer that's in the orange,

674
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:26,690
to have a longer line of vision to see inside the cell.

675
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:41,070
So, we've done larger, it's one of them where we would say, let's back that up a little bit because we've built it in purpose so that we could see the fine component is that 150 has been a really good number.

676
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:49,810
Now, you can argue as it 160 is at 140. Somewhere in these parameters is what makes the most sense in regards to what that looks like.

677
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:53,700
How many classifications have you made exist?

678
00:57:53,700 --> 00:58:00,380
great question. I don't have my slider to show you all of them. We have been

679
00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:05,040
recommending that if you're going to plan for classification number right now

680
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:11,640
that it should be somewhere between 15 and 20 leaning heavier to 20. Now I'm

681
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,620
going to go through the list of elements that kind of complicate all of that. So

682
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:20,920
you have male and female, which is minimum, medium, maximum, right? So you used to

683
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,800
of male and female, minimum, medium and maximum.

684
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,860
Those are still there, but there are subclassifications

685
00:58:26,860 --> 00:58:28,760
that start to fall underneath that, right?

686
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:31,440
If we start to have somebody that has special needs,

687
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,560
meaning that they're on suicide watch,

688
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:34,380
they've got to be separated.

689
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:35,380
That's another classification.

690
00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:37,120
They can't be apart with anybody else.

691
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:41,200
If there are co-conspirators like to talk to both before,

692
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:42,660
you have those individuals.

693
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,780
Here's the problem with that is real quick now.

694
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,220
If we had one county that had six individuals

695
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:49,500
that were on the same case,

696
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:53,860
They couldn't be camped with anybody else, so now that just consumed six classifications

697
00:58:53,860 --> 00:59:00,340
and you had to have the class, you had to have the breakout of your housing unit to

698
00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:02,320
be able to accommodate that.

699
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,640
Where I'm headed with that is that the number really isn't important if we design it properly,

700
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:15,660
because we can give you 35 or 40 for the same cost as 10 or 12.

701
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:20,680
And the reason that I say that is that we're just going to take those day rooms and we're going to make them smaller.

702
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:28,820
So what you'll see is before you have these 10, 12, 14 bed. You guys got 20 bed dorms upstairs right now.

703
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:29,680
Meaning that there's

704
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,860
Bunks with 20 bed dorms that are in there.

705
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:35,000
We have been

706
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,880
itemizing or breaking these down so that there's

707
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:44,140
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, different variables that are tied into that dayroom.

708
00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:48,520
And now we've given the same amount of dayroom space, we've given the same number of

709
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,550
cell sizes, and now we've given those classifications for that entire floor that's there.

710
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:59,300
It gives you the flexibility as you move forward with your population, because your

711
00:59:59,300 --> 00:59:59,960
population to

712
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,700
Today is not what it was 20 years ago. And I don't know if the jail roster got sent out to you, but I will share with you one of the things working with a lot of counties in the state of Wisconsin.

713
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:22,620
Your jail roster is not what you want to see. You're housing individuals that need to be in jail, and having these classifications properly separated is important.

714
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:25,500
Great question.

715
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,400
Okay, that's everybody in the queue, so if you want to.

716
01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:32,440
So existing conditions?

717
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,900
I joked about it before, but how many of you have you been in jail?

718
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,140
And I don't mean behind the bars.

719
01:00:39,780 --> 01:00:42,180
But how many have you actually walked your jail?

720
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:44,220
Oh, good.

721
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,240
I'll steal you.

722
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:46,440
That's very important.

723
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:56,030
Your jail has been added on and added on and added on.

724
01:00:56,030 --> 01:00:57,950
And that's really what the element of what your jail is.

725
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:59,630
And it's not uncommon.

726
01:01:00,450 --> 01:01:03,990
A lot of the counties that we deal with have this jail

727
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:06,590
and you could go across the state of Wisconsin

728
01:01:06,590 --> 01:01:08,990
and what used to happen is the sheriff and his wife

729
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:11,050
would have a residence and they'd have

730
01:01:11,050 --> 01:01:14,810
some jail cells next there and the sheriff's wife was the cook.

731
01:01:15,450 --> 01:01:18,070
And she would serve up the dinner and give them to the inmates

732
01:01:18,070 --> 01:01:19,730
and that was the jail.

733
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:23,030
And then it continued to grow from there.

734
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:32,310
To the point that now you started to see bricks and mortar more steel. I mean jail construction continued to grow over the course of time

735
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:39,750
And your jail in 1954 the very very very first jail in sheriff's office was built in 1954

736
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:46,290
So I as a last year was 70 years old. I looked at my slide today. I'm wearing 25 already. I can't believe it

737
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:49,770
I don't know exactly when it was built, but it's over 70 years old now

738
01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:56,050
You have a lot of issues associated with that and they're listed, you have the power point to see it.

739
01:01:56,130 --> 01:02:00,930
I'm going to read through some of the things that the DOC has listed on their jail inspection reports.

740
01:02:01,490 --> 01:02:03,610
But this gives you an idea of your layout.

741
01:02:03,730 --> 01:02:08,770
And we've color coded this so that you can see what happened with your campus over the course of time.

742
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:11,230
And we did a better job of breaking it out here.

743
01:02:11,770 --> 01:02:16,370
So, as you'll see down below, there's that small little jail and sheriff's office that was built.

744
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:21,290
and it was at 54, and then there was an addition in 79,

745
01:02:21,310 --> 01:02:25,990
couple of editions in 79, then you did another edition in renovation in 93,

746
01:02:26,590 --> 01:02:31,630
and then you did another one. We have 2004 here, I think it was between 2004 and 2006.

747
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:37,770
You did some additional edition in renovation onto your jail. So, with that said,

748
01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:42,970
the question about linear, you guys had a linear jail, and then you added another linear jail to it,

749
01:02:42,970 --> 01:02:44,870
and then you added another linear jail to it.

750
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:51,950
So, when I first came here for the first time, and I walked through the jail with the sheriff,

751
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:59,870
we walked into your master control, and your master control is crazy, crazy small, way too small.

752
01:03:00,890 --> 01:03:07,630
In regards to what needs to be done there, and the people that in your master control can't see anything, they're looking at a screen.

753
01:03:08,790 --> 01:03:13,010
And I try to explain that to individuals of why that's important.

754
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:18,790
And that correctional officer is in that master control is the one who has their thumb on everything.

755
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:22,290
They are controlling the overall security of that jail.

756
01:03:23,050 --> 01:03:27,790
And when we talk about these correctional officers that are in that pod control are able to

757
01:03:27,790 --> 01:03:32,610
see what's going on, they have to have sight lines and the only way that I can explain it

758
01:03:32,610 --> 01:03:37,010
to somebody is if you are driving your car, if I ask you to leave tonight and you all have

759
01:03:37,010 --> 01:03:39,070
these great screens that are on your car now, right?

760
01:03:39,250 --> 01:03:41,210
They're all about this bag and they're getting bigger.

761
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:46,850
If I told you that you had to drive home tonight, but the only way you could get home tonight is to drive by looking at that screen.

762
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:50,390
How would that change the way you could drive?

763
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:54,090
Your peripheral vision is gone.

764
01:03:54,190 --> 01:03:55,250
You're looking at the screen.

765
01:03:55,270 --> 01:04:00,390
You're relying on a video of one still shot of what's coming at you.

766
01:04:00,970 --> 01:04:05,650
Now, if I have you step back and you're going to drive down the road and you're looking like you're supposed to.

767
01:04:05,770 --> 01:04:06,670
You're not texting, right?

768
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:09,390
We've all become great at texting and checking things.

769
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:12,430
If we're not texting and we've laid that down and we're looking at the road.

770
01:04:12,430 --> 01:04:15,410
Now, we've been able to have our peripheral vision

771
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:17,170
and we can see what's coming at us.

772
01:04:17,590 --> 01:04:19,970
That's what that poddle offers.

773
01:04:20,410 --> 01:04:21,890
This is the glass that's in front of them.

774
01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:23,610
They can see if there's a movement over here.

775
01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:26,010
If there becomes a fight over there, if there's a struggle,

776
01:04:26,110 --> 01:04:27,790
if somebody hits the dirt over here,

777
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:29,690
the correctional officer is attacked,

778
01:04:30,190 --> 01:04:33,950
they are able to then respond and get to that point right away

779
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:36,070
rather than waiting for a screen.

780
01:04:36,130 --> 01:04:39,050
Because if you see what happens when they're looking at this officer

781
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:41,630
that's in that master controller pod control,

782
01:04:41,630 --> 01:04:44,450
They are to be looking at this, but there are screens that are popping up.

783
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:51,590
If I am looking at a screen, and there is 120 to 150 cameras that are now diced up into

784
01:04:51,590 --> 01:04:57,310
a different monitor that has a dozen to 20 of them, you may not see the activity that's there.

785
01:04:58,930 --> 01:05:02,650
Now here is another list of the DOC inspection that has been ongoing.

786
01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:08,030
You have ADA compliance issues, you've got mixed classification issues,

787
01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:11,610
you've got safety and

788
01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:16,130
You've got plumbing leaks, we've actually got some pictures of some cast iron piping that is

789
01:05:16,130 --> 01:05:23,090
fallen through ceilings last week or the week before. You had a flood of sewage that came from

790
01:05:23,090 --> 01:05:28,090
a break of cast iron pipes, toilets that aren't flowing because of your plumbing issues.

791
01:05:28,570 --> 01:05:32,890
There's mold in the showers, your inmate foam system continues to break down.

792
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:39,690
Your HVAC is not being able to supply the constant temperatures that are needed in the spaces

793
01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:44,870
because of the design, there's cracking issues, there's settlement components, you've got door

794
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:50,110
functioning issues, they're binding, they're not working. Some of your door hardware is you

795
01:05:50,110 --> 01:05:54,570
can no longer get, and this is something that we have run into in counties all over the state

796
01:05:54,570 --> 01:06:00,890
of Wisconsin. It's antiquated. Some of the door parts are actually being looked on eBay to get.

797
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:05,370
It's not just a final account, anything. That's happened. That's why counties are deciding

798
01:06:05,370 --> 01:06:07,170
that's time to do something with their jail.

799
01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:13,390
Your professional visitation space is not adequate, your program space is not adequate, your

800
01:06:13,390 --> 01:06:17,690
booking is sorely undersides and I'll talk a little bit about that in a minute.

801
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:25,310
Black of intercombs and then you have the inefficient layout, some of your correctional officers

802
01:06:25,310 --> 01:06:31,890
in a course of a shift are walking 10 miles to get through and do their cell check.

803
01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:36,130
So that rover that I was telling you about that isn't planted in an office or station.

804
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:39,530
They have to go through and do mandatory cell checks.

805
01:06:40,030 --> 01:06:44,390
It can range anywhere from 15 minutes, cell checks, or 30 minutes, cell checks to 60.

806
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:47,050
It depends on the classification of that inmate.

807
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:49,530
So there's a lot of traffic that happens there.

808
01:06:50,490 --> 01:06:53,810
So these are just some pictures that you will see here.

809
01:06:53,830 --> 01:06:55,930
On the left hand side, those bars.

810
01:06:55,930 --> 01:07:02,690
Always reference the Barney-Five component because that's where we all saw the jail Barney-Five in the jail bars

811
01:07:02,690 --> 01:07:07,850
Your jail still has them the problem with them as they become a tie-off point

812
01:07:07,850 --> 01:07:10,350
What I mean by that is somebody decides that

813
01:07:11,330 --> 01:07:12,850
They want to take their life

814
01:07:12,850 --> 01:07:18,610
You can tie a sheet on there and you can tie a sheet around part of your body and all of a sudden the deed has done

815
01:07:18,610 --> 01:07:21,310
Right that's why those things are no longer utilized

816
01:07:21,310 --> 01:07:24,250
They're not put into designs, but you still have some in your jail

817
01:07:24,250 --> 01:07:29,970
the corridor that you see on the second piece there, it's hard to see, but there's actually

818
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:59,980
Actually, a extension cord that is going across there. And I think that was running a CPAP machine to be able to get that extension cord into that space, because you don't have the adequate electrical. That's there, obviously. It's a trip hazard components that are tied into that. The next two pictures there show you how tight that cord or is. And when I take you into that cord or try to imagine if you're having a struggle with an inmate that's combative and not wanting to go into that space, the issues that are

819
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:01,780
tied into that.

820
01:08:02,020 --> 01:08:07,700
ADA issues, we're showing the ADA lack of compliance in those doors between those first

821
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:10,940
two in order to get people into there, they are not compliant.

822
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,260
So you ask the question, why are we allowed to have that in there?

823
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:20,700
It's called a grandfather clause, because you haven't done the renovation in that space.

824
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,500
It is allowable because that was acceptable at the code at time.

825
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:29,760
If we come in and talk about renovating your jail, all of that needs to be brought up to code.

826
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:36,640
Your jail will need to be a complete gut and remodel in order to get these code compliant elements done.

827
01:08:38,890 --> 01:08:44,250
Hard to see on the third picture there, but there is differing floor elevations just because when you add it on,

828
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:47,670
we change the floor height and then we add it on, we did another floor height.

829
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:52,950
There's actually I believe some plumbing and duckwork that runs underneath that area right there,

830
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:57,390
And then there's a plumbing chase on either side of that, so it kind of acts as a mechanical

831
01:08:57,390 --> 01:08:59,050
chase underneath that space.

832
01:09:00,370 --> 01:09:06,770
Part on the right hand side is actually your secure corridor between your jailhousing and

833
01:09:06,770 --> 01:09:07,670
your courts.

834
01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:10,230
You're walking inmates past windows.

835
01:09:11,290 --> 01:09:15,810
Now in the world of security, we don't want that to happen, because here's what happens.

836
01:09:16,250 --> 01:09:22,190
Court dates, court times are a known element, and if somebody decides that they want

837
01:09:22,190 --> 01:09:27,350
to take that individual out and they know that there is a line of sight through those windows.

838
01:09:27,810 --> 01:09:29,290
It is a huge security risk.

839
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,580
See that picture on the left-hand side?

840
01:09:33,580 --> 01:09:36,220
That's the view that the officers have from their office or station.

841
01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:39,660
They look down that corridor when they're not looking at their screen.

842
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,940
Next picture here is surface mounted.

843
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:45,060
You see the cord hanging up there.

844
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,560
We've got conduit that's on the wall that doesn't have the appropriate security

845
01:09:52,280 --> 01:10:13,120
We've got another element there where it shows the literature issues and then we've got many areas where you do not have security ceilings, so there is a certain type of ceiling that needs to be in your jails that people can't pick out, they can't pull out, they can't store things in there, you've got many areas that are lacking secure ceilings.

846
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,780
The middle areas, again, you can see you've got grab bars that are tie-off spaces.

847
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,680
You've got fixtures that do not meet detention grade, the bathroom that's on the right

848
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:29,040
hand side is your only toilet for your officer station.

849
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,000
It is not EDA compliant.

850
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:35,840
It is literally, I think, a closet that they decided to put a toilet in a sink in.

851
01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:41,990
You've got some settlement issues that are happening.

852
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:48,890
The door on the left obviously is the narrow one. You got several of those that are too narrow for you to be able to get into spaces.

853
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:54,690
You've got the toilet space. These fixtures that are not compliant.

854
01:10:56,670 --> 01:11:06,130
Well, we got, oh, you've got some settlement. There's a settlement in the last edition where we start to see cracking in your structure components that are tied back into that.

855
01:11:06,130 --> 01:11:12,990
There are doors that continually need to be adjusted and filed or ground off to be able to get them to operate in function.

856
01:11:15,170 --> 01:11:26,910
The picture on the left is your security electronics closet, which is a closet that does not meet the required air changes, cooling for the space that's in there.

857
01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:41,330
The laundry room shows were one of your floods took place, the flood actually caused all of the tile to be removed from its substrate and the plumbing issues that we talked about with those plumbing pipes that are coming down into that.

858
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:55,570
These are just some pictures of other elements. It's hard to represent everything in a picture. I know right here the picture doesn't do it justice. I guess what I would offer to all of you is that if you wanted to have a one-on-one tour,

859
01:11:55,570 --> 01:11:58,250
So we can take you in there and point out these elements to you.

860
01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:01,510
Or if you have any questions about any of this after the fact

861
01:12:01,510 --> 01:12:03,570
we would be willing to meet with you on at one on one.

862
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:08,350
So this diagram here, when I talk to you about those windows

863
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:14,230
that are exposed there, if you look at that red line,

864
01:12:14,230 --> 01:12:18,110
that red line represents the corridor that the correctional

865
01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:21,350
officers have to take the inmates to court.

866
01:12:22,980 --> 01:12:36,760
is down around back, there's actually one area where there's a door that is not secured in that space and then when we get into the court suite,

867
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,840
the inmates actually walk down the same court or the judge and the judge's staff are in.

868
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:48,680
That is a big no-no in the world of safety and security, but it exists.

869
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:01,940
So part of this evaluation is that when we start to talk about a jail and we start to plan for a jail,

870
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:09,920
you can't just take the jail in a loan by itself and say let's just park a housing unit over here,

871
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:11,800
because it has so many ties.

872
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,800
And the ties come into the court's department, right?

873
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:23,920
And one of the elements that we have to evaluate as a jail is where are we going to put it in relationship to the courts.

874
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:33,100
And when we start to talk into the options that's a very big driving factor in regards to where does this jail or where should this jail be built.

875
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:41,120
Now I'll say it was one of the difficult things for ad hoc to discuss because it's not there's not an easy decision.

876
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,760
There's not just a clear directive. I've walked into counties, and it's like, hey, here's where we should park it.

877
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:52,340
It is the most cost-effective solution. It's the safest and secure connection. You don't have that here.

878
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:58,560
And we'll talk about that. But here are some things that you have for deficiencies with your courts department.

879
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,460
You have no secure court holding. None.

880
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:10,000
Individuals walk are walked up into the courtroom rather than having a holding cell upstairs for them to be able to deal with that.

881
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,780
There is no secure transport corridor.

882
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,000
I've talked about that extensively here.

883
01:14:15,820 --> 01:14:22,060
There are windows to jury rooms, which haven't shown you the pictures of that, but those jury rooms should not have windows in there.

884
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,260
There's actually a lack of jury rooms that aren't enough there.

885
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:30,200
And out of the court rooms that you have, all of them are too small except for one.

886
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:37,080
So you guys have a pretty heavy court schedule. You're busy.

887
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:44,280
There are a lot of things that go on there and this next slide here was one that we started asking for some of the incidents.

888
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:59,960
So here's what happens is that when an inmate is transported to court, there is an opening or potential liability about individuals coming in contact with members of the other party or loved ones.

889
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:13,640
And things can start to escalate. So we are able to get some of these incidents that were tied into this, is that your average inmate movement, oh, lost it.

890
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:30,330
I'll look over here. Your average inmate movement has increased 9.5 or 9.4% a year. Your highest inmate movement was 180 in a month. That means that 180 people had to go back and forth.

891
01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:34,850
A 10-year projection, depending on how that grows, could be up to 442.

892
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:37,610
Security requests at court.

893
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:42,870
There's about 80, an average of 80, security requests per month, and what that means is,

894
01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:46,010
there could be an event that an officer needs to go to.

895
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:49,930
Something is escalated, there needs to be additional backup, those components that are tied

896
01:15:49,930 --> 01:15:50,770
into that.

897
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:51,830
Why is that important?

898
01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:54,210
Is where are those officers coming from?

899
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:57,210
How far do they have to travel to be able to deal with that response?

900
01:15:57,970 --> 01:16:03,270
The peak is 108 in one month and the 10-year projection is 173.

901
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:11,450
So there is a lot of exposure when it comes in regards to that security and the connection

902
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:14,870
between your jail and your court's component.

903
01:16:16,010 --> 01:16:19,750
Now, we've got members here from the courts.

904
01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:21,910
Anybody want to elaborate?

905
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:27,190
in my anything you want to add under that, anybody have any comments or no?

906
01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:29,490
All right.

907
01:16:30,270 --> 01:16:31,590
So we'll move on here.

908
01:16:32,530 --> 01:16:33,550
Major site issue.

909
01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:39,250
As you look at where the garbage truck comes in or actually shutting down,

910
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:42,810
I believe that's a question from the South hand side or South hand.

911
01:16:43,290 --> 01:16:46,250
As we've saw this one day in regards to an operational,

912
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:47,670
sort of looking at site components,

913
01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:54,590
The other element of this site is that you've had a history of water-frontage meaning that your water

914
01:16:54,590 --> 01:16:56,870
has known to come out of its banks.

915
01:16:57,190 --> 01:17:00,710
Those are things that we have to consider when we start to talk about where are we going to build,

916
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:02,690
and how do we go about building on those components.

917
01:17:04,650 --> 01:17:07,190
So, we're at another pause here. Do we have any questions?

918
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:12,700
I know there's a lot of existing conditions.

919
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:15,080
to surprise your bro, go ahead.

920
01:17:15,740 --> 01:17:19,480
I just, one question, I don't know if you want to go back

921
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:22,100
like two slides to the court and jail security review.

922
01:17:22,860 --> 01:17:25,740
Could you just expand on why that those 10-year projections

923
01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:27,840
would be so much higher than they are now?

924
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:30,120
So you can take that with a grain of salt.

925
01:17:30,260 --> 01:17:34,800
We're going to get into the increase in your population.

926
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:37,440
So we're taking, what's your population?

927
01:17:37,540 --> 01:17:39,700
I think your population in the jail is increased

928
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:41,360
almost 2% per year.

929
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,240
So that's where we're starting to see these increases.

930
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,540
That variable is not 100%.

931
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:51,500
But it's based on projections that we had with the population of the geo-growing.

932
01:17:51,820 --> 01:17:53,660
And with the population of the geo-growing,

933
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,620
obviously there's going to be more court appearances

934
01:17:55,620 --> 01:17:58,220
depending on the severity of that case that's there.

935
01:17:58,620 --> 01:17:59,940
So there's a lot of variables in there.

936
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:01,720
Don't walk in on that one.

937
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:04,300
But the other ones, let's use the other ones that are concrete.

938
01:18:04,940 --> 01:18:07,780
Those are documented incidents that we're there.

939
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:08,240
All

940
01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:11,900
right. Any other ones?

941
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:19,040
Yes. Supervisor Donbrook. When you talked about deficiencies in our current jail, I think one thing

942
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:25,640
that we noticed when we went to Green Lake, our Sally port here is way too small. We cannot

943
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:31,960
even get an ambulance in there. So if we have to remove an inmate, that's a security risk.

944
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:39,020
We have to take them outside to put them in the ambulance. And also Green Lake's Sally port is

945
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:45,560
big enough for a bus. Yes. So if there was a natural gas leak in our jail and we had to evacuate

946
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:52,300
or a flood that we had to evacuate to get those inmates that are in our jail right now into

947
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:58,280
a bus we would have to take them outside. And I remember several years ago when I was working

948
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:05,420
in the Brandon Fairwater Police Department, we had a near incident where we were going to have to

949
01:19:05,420 --> 01:19:18,240
a vacuum-weight to jail, but look like we're going to have to, and they were calling in every law enforcement officer and the colony to come to Fondalac to help secure that evacuation, so there were no escapes.

950
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:20,820
That's another deficiency, correct?

951
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:21,400
Good point.

952
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:25,620
So the Sally Porter, we didn't show you any pictures of that, but I'm glad you brought that up.

953
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:31,980
The Sally Porter is obviously that hand off from the arresting officer to the correctional officer.

954
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:41,540
He's 100% right, is that you have two pull-in and back-out stalls and it will not allow

955
01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:46,120
an ambulance to go into that space and close the doors.

956
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,120
So now that is a security breach, obviously.

957
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,780
If you keep your door open and you're going to be moving inmates and they've got green space

958
01:19:53,780 --> 01:19:54,920
that's there, you've got an issue.

959
01:19:55,620 --> 01:20:00,100
The other issue with the salary port is not being able to have multiple squads in there.

960
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:03,740
What we see in other counties is that they come up and they have a combat of issue, they

961
01:20:03,740 --> 01:20:08,100
will pull one squad in, the other squad will come behind them, before they bring that arrested

962
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:12,760
individual out, the other officer can come in and help to be able to get them into this space.

963
01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:19,660
The bus is a big component, evacuation is a big game plan in regards to if you have to

964
01:20:19,660 --> 01:20:30,080
get them out of there, so we do size it for a bus in regards to be able to get them, and

965
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:35,600
work component. I will add as long as we're talking about that intake because I'll forget about it

966
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:41,400
when I get into the better analysis. You have 12 receiving cells. And you remember in the model

967
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,160
where I showed you where you're going to bring somebody in and you're going to put them in those

968
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:49,260
receiving cells before you put them into general pop. So we're going to observe them. We're going to

969
01:20:49,260 --> 01:20:54,100
classify them. They're going to spend some time in those receiving cells. You have 12 of them.

970
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,240
I have walked through your jail multiple times over the course of the last couple of years working

971
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,500
here, they have always been full.

972
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:08,500
We have found that as a rule of thumb, there is not a code that drives this calculation,

973
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:15,520
but as a rule of thumb, you should have about 10 percent of your rated population to be

974
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,500
in your receivers.

975
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,080
You have 12 for a rate of population of 335.

976
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:21,780
Here's what happens.

977
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:26,160
This is the liability that rest on you, the county that you may not be aware of.

978
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,240
And your correctional officers are doing the best they can.

979
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:37,040
But we have tracked that while we were here, some weekends you had bookings north of 50.

980
01:21:38,020 --> 01:21:44,440
What that means is 50 people came into your Sallyport, and now they have to find a place for them.

981
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,060
They are supposed to go into your receiving area, but because you have no receivers,

982
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,600
what they are doing is they are taking that individual and they are putting into general population.

983
01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:01,020
And here's the problem with that, is that when a resting officer brings in somebody and

984
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:05,020
the correctional officer takes them over, they don't know what they have on their hands.

985
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:12,940
They do not know what this individual is capable of, so from the best practices, that's

986
01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:16,160
why you put them in a receiving cell, you observe them, they are right there, you're one

987
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,580
on one, you're seeing what's going on with them, are they detoxing, are they on something,

988
01:22:20,580 --> 01:22:25,660
Is there something going on? Are they acting up? Are they beating their head against the cell? Are they going to be destructive?

989
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,900
You don't know that before you move in into your general

990
01:22:30,740 --> 01:22:44,160
If I walked you through your jail right now, you do not have adequate single cells to put somebody there. They're putting them with somebody that they shouldn't. Because they have no other option.

991
01:22:46,260 --> 01:23:01,360
That's a liability component that's tied there. Your receiving cells are also used for disciplinary action, meaning that if there is somebody that's in general pop, and they can't calm down, they can't settle down. You can bring them into that receiving cell.

992
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,860
so that that correctional officer that at that post can maintain and watch them.

993
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:10,920
What you will see is as we are designing jails, we are actually doing a special needs block,

994
01:23:11,380 --> 01:23:16,700
where we can manage those individuals in a special needs block, and you don't start to consume your receiving cells.

995
01:23:17,540 --> 01:23:21,040
I quite frankly don't know how your correctional officers are doing it on those busy weekends.

996
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,160
I had Tyler run the numbers for me in the month of January.

997
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,700
Out of the month of January, there were multiple days.

998
01:23:27,700 --> 01:23:33,560
Now we're not talking just on a week and multiple days where you had north of 10 bookings in a day.

999
01:23:34,660 --> 01:23:39,500
So you're bringing 10 people in. Those receivers aren't available. You are constantly not you,

1000
01:23:39,860 --> 01:23:44,700
but the correctional officers on behalf of the county are constantly moving the population around

1001
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:51,200
where they shouldn't. It should not be happening. It's a liability that rests on the county.

1002
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:56,780
As soon as that individual comes into your custody, you are liable for their care and well-being.

1003
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:07,980
And that goes to the extent that when you say, hey, we're going to ship them out and you want to ship them to another county, let's have somebody else take care of them, doesn't relieve you of your liability.

1004
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:10,120
Still rests on you.

1005
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:19,380
So if you're asking the neighboring county to take care of that individual, you are asking a neighboring county that you don't know who they are.

1006
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:22,260
You don't know what they're doing to take care of that on your behalf.

1007
01:24:22,260 --> 01:24:28,200
Those are all very serious things that you have to consider in regards to what your jail

1008
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:32,040
Constructions like so thanks for bringing that up. I would have it over. Look that

1009
01:24:32,540 --> 01:24:35,280
Good morning, Q one more surprise your haze

1010
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,560
My first question is we had two very large floods

1011
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:46,960
And I wanted to know did it flood during that did we have to move people what was what happened during those floods

1012
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:47,880
So

1013
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:56,000
it's my understanding that you had flooding in your lower level.

1014
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,620
So what you have in your lower level is you have that entire lower level.

1015
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,980
So again, I didn't observe it, I'm hearing it third hand.

1016
01:25:03,340 --> 01:25:08,520
You guys have this levy system, right, of trying to get things short upper blocked up,

1017
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,500
so it doesn't run in.

1018
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,060
So if you go on the west side of your campus and you look at the south side of your campus,

1019
01:25:13,220 --> 01:25:18,300
you've got these two funnels to allow the water to go down stairs, that's the element

1020
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:18,740
that's there.

1021
01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:22,020
The reason that I'm telling you about the flooding is that we're going to take that in a

1022
01:25:22,020 --> 01:25:24,440
consideration when we talk about building here.

1023
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,700
It's not necessarily that they had to move in me.

1024
01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:30,540
It's at the time that it flooded, but you have to take that in a consideration when we're going

1025
01:25:30,540 --> 01:25:35,620
to make a recommendation or a long-range plan for what do we do here, because that waterway

1026
01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:36,900
has known to come out of its banks.

1027
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:37,380
Okay.

1028
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:41,940
My next question is, when you were talking about these liability issues, have we been sued in the

1029
01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:42,300
past?

1030
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:50,710
Well, he's talking about liability within the jail, have we been sued about issues in the

1031
01:25:50,710 --> 01:25:53,210
If individual sued the county,

1032
01:25:56,150 --> 01:26:03,270
we have had individuals file suits against us in the jail and some of them are still ongoing.

1033
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:09,550
I guess I couldn't tell you how many are successful at this point, but yeah, it does happen.

1034
01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:12,230
Not all of them are warranted and or justified.

1035
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:15,170
Right. I mean, it's a common, I don't want to say cop.

1036
01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:17,430
I want to say cop into all counties.

1037
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:24,990
That I don't know. I can't answer for other counties. I just know occasionally we would get claims filed by inmates.

1038
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:31,430
Okay, then my last question is, this is the first time I've heard talk of deficiencies in our courts.

1039
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:39,410
Are there standards that, like, set by someone for which the courts should meet?

1040
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:42,170
And who sets those?

1041
01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:43,050
The Supreme Court guidelines.

1042
01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:46,410
It was Constance State's Supreme Court guidelines.

1043
01:26:46,510 --> 01:26:49,370
A Supreme Court guidelines gives that to all states.

1044
01:26:49,630 --> 01:26:55,770
So when we start to get into the design of a courts, there are actually sizes for

1045
01:26:55,770 --> 01:27:00,650
the courts, actually sizes for the jury room, there's actually sizes for the judges'

1046
01:27:00,790 --> 01:27:01,070
chambers.

1047
01:27:01,550 --> 01:27:03,130
All of those are guidelines.

1048
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:05,170
So a guidelines are different than a code.

1049
01:27:05,610 --> 01:27:12,230
So you've got some availability to adjust them, but there is also the element of there

1050
01:27:12,230 --> 01:27:23,070
There's a requirement to make sure that there's a security review of your campus, right, in regards to making sure that you are addressing all of those needs, and that's something that is done.

1051
01:27:23,310 --> 01:27:27,090
I think annually by your group to be able to evaluate that.

1052
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:30,630
So yeah, there are Supreme Court guidelines that drive that.

1053
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:32,290
Thank you.

1054
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:33,690
Supervisor Rickard?

1055
01:27:35,410 --> 01:27:35,650
Yes.

1056
01:27:36,670 --> 01:27:43,070
The two times that I know that they had flooding the water from the flooding that came over

1057
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:49,070
the river banks was going down the ramp to the parking garage and they were able to sandbag

1058
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:57,590
it and they really didn't have any major flooding down there because the sandbagging and

1059
01:27:57,590 --> 01:28:03,930
keeping it from going into the basement wasn't in the jail, it was in the parking area below.

1060
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:04,350
Yep.

1061
01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:08,100
Yep. Thank you. Supervisor Leary.

1062
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:15,140
I just want to know, you said something about a 2% increase per year of the population.

1063
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:21,120
I want to know where you get your data from because I've conflicting data on that and on the projections.

1064
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:26,840
And that is from our census data and also from the Department of Administration.

1065
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:28,420
So what's your number?

1066
01:28:29,820 --> 01:28:33,420
So I'm looking at numbers for the county and for the city.

1067
01:28:34,780 --> 01:28:42,080
The Wisconsin Department of Administration, they used the census data to project the future

1068
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:48,340
populations here in our city and county, and they did this for the years 2030 to 2050.

1069
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:54,180
And they indicated a significant downward trend in local and statewide population.

1070
01:28:54,760 --> 01:29:01,320
They said that the fertility rate, including the effects of the net migration, are slowing

1071
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:02,020
the growth.

1072
01:29:02,020 --> 01:29:10,960
They give numbers for, well, they say 2020 was our peak population and that in 2030 we are

1073
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:21,640
going to be at 102,425 people for the county and by 2050 that's supposed to be 94,925.

1074
01:29:22,740 --> 01:29:31,980
And then the 2030 population projection for the city is at 43,588 and by 2050 it's projected

1075
01:29:31,980 --> 01:29:35,080
to be at 39,740.

1076
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:43,880
That means that there's less households paying for this on their taxes and I'm just wondering

1077
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:49,920
why or inmate population is expected to increase when the population is expected to decrease

1078
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:55,200
and I don't know if we're planning to participate in jail for a profit here, I don't know

1079
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,960
but the other DOA forecast for the decrease in the past.

1080
01:30:00,740 --> 01:30:19,300
It's also due to the population getting older here and that means a decrease in the demand for K through 12 education, which means the property tax burden is going to go from the people who work to those who are retired and it just means less people will be able to pay for this.

1081
01:30:19,740 --> 01:30:23,360
Okay, so we need to clarify you and I are talking about two completely different things.

1082
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:23,920
Yeah, I know.

1083
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,220
You're talking about general population and I'm talking about what's happened in your jail.

1084
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:39,180
And that's why I ask, why are we expecting this to increase, are we taking, are we gonna be doing jail for profit or what are we doing?

1085
01:30:39,420 --> 01:30:43,680
So let's start here because we'll get into the BEDs and Eats analysis. This might be a, do you have any more questions?

1086
01:30:44,440 --> 01:30:47,180
No, okay, no. It might be a great spot for the sheriff.

1087
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,540
I want you to have the sheriff talk to you a little bit about the jail or a huster.

1088
01:30:52,380 --> 01:31:08,700
We gave you that because we wanted you to understand that your population is increasing and your question comes up every time I'm talking about a jail is that our population is going down therefore our criminal activity is going to go down.

1089
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:17,880
They don't necessarily correlate and I can tell you right now each community is different in regards to what that criminal activity looks like.

1090
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:28,140
When we came here and started looking at your information a month ago, since then, your population has significantly increased.

1091
01:31:28,540 --> 01:31:33,380
The 1.7 that I told you is probably a number that has no longer valid.

1092
01:31:35,420 --> 01:31:45,380
So, comparing the two of them, especially when you're going to your constituents, you have to stress that the population of the community and the county does not have a direct correlation to criminal activity.

1093
01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:50,920
because there's criminal activity that happens in your county by people who do not reside in this county.

1094
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,380
They just don't.

1095
01:31:53,540 --> 01:31:56,060
Sure, if did you want to talk a little bit about the roster if you don't mind?

1096
01:31:57,860 --> 01:31:59,580
This is also in your iPads.

1097
01:32:00,140 --> 01:32:02,440
I replaced this in your iPads this morning.

1098
01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:09,560
And the presentation is in your iPads also.

1099
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:14,320
The reason to bring that up, it might be easier to follow on your iPad rather than

1100
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,560
strain your neck and let's try to look at the screen. So if you want to find it, you're welcome too.

1101
01:32:21,970 --> 01:32:27,770
Yeah, you're good. All right. So we provided the jail roster. This is today. This is who's in

1102
01:32:27,770 --> 01:32:32,070
custody, what they're in custody for today. It's not a cherry pick today or a hand-picked

1103
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:37,210
have a particularly bad day, you know, six months ago or a year and a half ago. This is today's

1104
01:32:37,210 --> 01:32:44,530
roster. And I wanted to share it because I think it's important that you know and understand that

1105
01:32:44,530 --> 01:32:50,230
Our jail is full, but it's not just full of offenders, it's full of serious offenders.

1106
01:32:50,890 --> 01:32:55,770
There's a lot of offenders who are committing lower-level crimes, misdemeanor-level crimes,

1107
01:32:56,250 --> 01:33:00,810
they get referred to the district attorney, they don't get taken into custody by the

1108
01:33:00,810 --> 01:33:03,430
officer on the scene, they get released from the scene.

1109
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:06,250
Only the worst of the worst are coming into jail.

1110
01:33:07,130 --> 01:33:14,230
And if you look at our jail population and where residents are from, typically 20 to 25

1111
01:33:14,230 --> 01:33:17,590
percent of our jail population at any given time are not fondly

1112
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:22,870
a county residents and so that goes to you know kind of a talking point to

1113
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:28,250
consider that people are coming from those other populated areas a lot are

1114
01:33:28,250 --> 01:33:33,710
from Milwaukee Chicago Madison Green Bay the the higher populated counties in

1115
01:33:33,710 --> 01:33:37,910
Wisconsin and beyond our borders and are coming to find a lack or coming through

1116
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:42,970
fondly and getting arrested and for committing serious crimes here so the way

1117
01:33:42,970 --> 01:33:48,270
The law works, we can't ship them back to answer to the crimes they committed here, back to

1118
01:33:48,270 --> 01:33:52,330
the county that they came from or reside in, they're required to answer to those crimes

1119
01:33:52,330 --> 01:33:55,370
that they committed in the county that they committed those crimes in.

1120
01:33:56,010 --> 01:34:01,610
So when we're looking at projections and looking at future projections for population growth,

1121
01:34:02,330 --> 01:34:04,650
all of this needs to be taken into consideration.

1122
01:34:06,190 --> 01:34:11,730
And even if you go back 20 years when we did our last expansion, at that time 20 years ago,

1123
01:34:11,730 --> 01:34:36,490
If we had one inmate in custody on a homicide related charge, which is basically the most serious crime you can commit against humanity, or against another person, if we had one or two, that was, we would go months with none, and if we had one or two, that was, everybody in the jail knew it, our correctional staff, all knew who was in jail for a homicide related charge, what that charge was, what that case was.

1124
01:34:36,490 --> 01:34:42,310
As for just 20 years later, this jail raster looks a lot different than it did 20 years ago.

1125
01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:50,590
We're routinely housing and holding inmates 15, 20, 25 inmates at a time on homicide related charges.

1126
01:34:51,490 --> 01:34:58,270
We're again 20 years ago, we would see zero one or maybe two in custody for homicide.

1127
01:34:58,270 --> 01:35:03,390
And that kind of goes in line with the rest of the nature of these charges.

1128
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:08,590
There are charges that of crimes that didn't even exist 20 years ago.

1129
01:35:08,770 --> 01:35:12,270
Some of these drug trafficking crimes, some of these...

1130
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:14,230
But was...

1131
01:35:14,230 --> 01:35:17,290
Take any page, flip to a random page and read.

1132
01:35:17,630 --> 01:35:20,010
And like I said, you will see very serious crimes.

1133
01:35:20,150 --> 01:35:24,150
And this is a very different jail population, even in just my time.

1134
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:25,650
I've worked for the Sheriff's Office.

1135
01:35:25,650 --> 01:35:42,390
It'll be going on 27 years here in spring and the jail population and the nature of the offender and the nature of the offences has dramatically become more serious for a variety of a lot of different reasons, which is a conversation for another time.

1136
01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:55,050
But the ramifications of that and the impact it has to the jail and jail operations, the safety and security of the jail, the need for a jail that is safe and secure and these line of sites that we talk about.

1137
01:35:55,050 --> 01:36:01,450
the officer, safety we talk about, the safety of inmate on inmate contact and protecting

1138
01:36:01,450 --> 01:36:07,350
inmates from each other. All of that kind of comes into play here with the seriousness

1139
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:12,250
of the jail roster that I wanted to share. And then for the offenses they're in custody

1140
01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:13,130
for.

1141
01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:19,110
I want to thank you for your explanation. I do want to know why people are coming here though

1142
01:36:19,110 --> 01:36:24,190
to, on the leg. I know the highway is one of the issues, but there are people coming here.

1143
01:36:24,190 --> 01:36:27,350
do see some people, you know, they are homeless.

1144
01:36:27,770 --> 01:36:29,370
I mean, there weren't many, I didn't see.

1145
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:32,210
But I do know that people are coming here.

1146
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:34,890
They're being given addresses, and they're coming here.

1147
01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:39,610
And I do know there's people coming here from Milwaukee and Chicago,

1148
01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:44,270
because I mean, our homeless people here have an issue with the homeless

1149
01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:45,950
people that are coming in.

1150
01:36:46,270 --> 01:36:52,130
And so what can we do, I mean, this is a topic for another time.

1151
01:36:52,130 --> 01:36:55,850
But I just want to say, why are they coming here other than the highway?

1152
01:36:57,230 --> 01:37:01,030
Yeah, well, I mean, Fondalac geographically is housed between, you know, if you drew a triangle

1153
01:37:01,030 --> 01:37:06,070
between Wisconsin's three biggest population centers, Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay, we're

1154
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:07,250
smack in the middle of that.

1155
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:12,090
So we're kind of right in the middle of the heart of three biggest population centers

1156
01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:17,670
and a travel from Madison to Green Bay, or Green Bay to Milwaukee, or, you know, anywhere

1157
01:37:17,670 --> 01:37:23,150
in there you're coming through Fondalac. And as to what brings criminals to Fondalac,

1158
01:37:23,370 --> 01:37:27,530
I don't know, or maybe they're also traveling through other communities and just not getting

1159
01:37:27,530 --> 01:37:29,970
caught. I mean, I will... they go...

1160
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:50,020
You know, give a little credit to the law enforcement we have in this county that's aggressive and working to detect these offenders. And when a crime is committed, getting them into custody to keep on the lack of a resident safe. Regardless of where you live or where you come from, but the fact of the matter is they are coming here and committing oftentimes very serious crime.

1161
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:57,420
The answer, I mean, but you said, topic for a different discussion that could go on for hours in and of itself, but the reality is,

1162
01:37:57,420 --> 01:37:59,700
The reality is we have to pay for it.

1163
01:37:59,900 --> 01:38:00,600
That's the problem.

1164
01:38:01,660 --> 01:38:04,640
It is, but you know, we can't build a wall around

1165
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,740
Final Econy and tell the criminals the keep out.

1166
01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:10,220
We've got to work with who comes here and respond and

1167
01:38:10,220 --> 01:38:13,120
react accordingly and to keep our residents safe because

1168
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,880
they are coming here and victimizing our citizens and

1169
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,360
our residents and it's incumbent upon us to protect our

1170
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,780
community regardless of where the offender lives.

1171
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:27,220
Thank you. And for the sake of time here, I'm going

1172
01:38:27,220 --> 01:38:32,260
try and ask everybody to keep their rather than five or six questions when they get a chance.

1173
01:38:32,740 --> 01:38:37,160
Let's try and shorten them up just a little bit because we're not even a third of the way

1174
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:43,160
through the presentation and there's a big QA questions here yet. So I want to give everybody time,

1175
01:38:43,940 --> 01:38:48,900
but just try and respect the time of the entire board too. So guys, are Haru Lash?

1176
01:38:49,580 --> 01:38:53,380
I have a question for the sheriff and forgive me, I just have no clue.

1177
01:38:54,240 --> 01:39:00,580
weren't transport in transport, weren't so there's maybe like 28 or 30 of those in there on the roster.

1178
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,820
What is that I saw like some of them sitting in there since July?

1179
01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:13,740
Yeah, so the warrant transports are typically individuals that are in our custody that are a lot of times on local charges,

1180
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,880
so they have criminal charges, they have to answer to and find a lot of that colony,

1181
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:24,240
But then they also have charges elsewhere that this rotates that we have to release them to some other

1182
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:29,260
County who will come get them once they're finished with their charges here. That's what that is got it.

1183
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:34,000
So the ones that are just warrant transport that are in there not other charges.

1184
01:39:36,300 --> 01:39:41,900
Yeah, yeah, there's like 28 of those that are just like with just transport or warrant transport.

1185
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,840
Yep, so like the very first one on page one.

1186
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,880
He's got a whole bunch of warrant transports, and he's got a Kalamazoo Michigan.

1187
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:54,940
So I'm address, so I'm guessing he's maybe contesting extradition because it's at

1188
01:39:54,940 --> 01:39:56,900
out of County, or out of state transport.

1189
01:39:57,340 --> 01:40:00,660
There's an extradition process that can get to be a long, drawn out of fear.

1190
01:40:00,860 --> 01:40:05,160
I don't see him on any local charges here.

1191
01:40:07,620 --> 01:40:11,460
Well, he also could have been transported, and maybe Tyler can answer to this.

1192
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:16,480
He's got his computer up in the back of the room, the assistant jail administrator who can

1193
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:21,640
and I've received these questions or questions about specific inmates from other county board

1194
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:26,580
supervisors and we delve into if you've got specific inmates you're wondering you know

1195
01:40:26,580 --> 01:40:32,440
I've had questions why is this one been you know in custody since July on a $300 cash bond

1196
01:40:32,440 --> 01:40:38,940
and well the answer was they have a $40,000 cash bond hold and Green Lake County and they prefer

1197
01:40:38,940 --> 01:40:45,300
I guess to stay in our jail in Green Lake so they don't pay their $300 here and they don't get released until that case is adjudicated

1198
01:40:45,300 --> 01:40:52,760
But most of those are going to have unique circumstances and we the only way to I guess answer individually would be you know

1199
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:56,720
If you get a hold of us after tonight we can delve into any of the inmates

1200
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:02,620
It's all open record or public record and we can give you a specific reason why they're here or what the warrant transport

1201
01:41:02,620 --> 01:41:07,140
Specifically means in their case sounds good. Thank you. Yeah, guys are done, bro

1202
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:12,320
Okay, I'm gonna try to run this question together with another one, so I don't get you all that.

1203
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:18,160
So, could you tell us Sheriff number one,

1204
01:41:19,980 --> 01:41:22,460
the more serious crime the longer they stay in our jail.

1205
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:28,160
I mean, there's people that have probably been in our jail facing a murder charge or homicide charge

1206
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,920
for over a year and a half or even two years, so that helps keep the count up, correct?

1207
01:41:34,420 --> 01:41:38,300
And then the other part of that question is,

1208
01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:43,860
I did have a chance to talk to a judge today, and I can't remember the time frame, but at

1209
01:41:43,860 --> 01:41:50,420
one point our felony charges in the county cases that they were seeing were 500, I believe

1210
01:41:50,420 --> 01:41:52,280
a year and now it's up to 1200.

1211
01:41:53,260 --> 01:41:59,220
So that just shows that crime is going up, not necessarily in proportion with the population

1212
01:41:59,220 --> 01:42:02,080
going up, and is that correct to them?

1213
01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:07,120
Right, so to answer the length of stay question, yes, these charges that are significant

1214
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:13,920
oftentimes require quite extensive investigative work. So the initial charge, you know, may be

1215
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:20,280
charged, but we have to wait oftentimes, months, sometimes longer for DNA to return cell phone

1216
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:28,220
analysis, social media analysis, all kinds of other analysis for evidence, interviews, those kinds

1217
01:42:28,220 --> 01:42:33,140
of things. And then the cases themselves, we actually, I think it's important to know all five of

1218
01:42:33,140 --> 01:42:38,240
circuit court judges are in the room tonight because they're in lockstep with us, meaning

1219
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:42,060
you know, statutorily the sheriff shall tend upon the circuit court of the county.

1220
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:46,080
That's how the statute reads and that has to do with inmate movement to and from their

1221
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:51,080
court as well as the physical security of their court and we correspond daily with our

1222
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:52,760
courts and with our judges.

1223
01:42:52,940 --> 01:42:55,540
There's also reserve judge that was in the room here.

1224
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:56,320
He's still here.

1225
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:57,740
He just moved to the other side.

1226
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:02,500
So the judges can probably talk to their case load and what they're seeing and why

1227
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:06,860
some of these cases take a long time on the judicial end of things, but even investigate

1228
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:12,300
of either a lengthy amount of time that goes into these complex and high-level cases.

1229
01:43:12,980 --> 01:43:17,760
There's a public defender, you know, need for public defender, there's a need for prosecutors

1230
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:24,220
in this state, and a lot of these cases require specialized training for a public defender

1231
01:43:24,220 --> 01:43:29,200
or even any attorney to be able to take and properly defend these cases that all takes

1232
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:35,320
time, and correct me if I'm wrong, Judge Walker, but I believe you told me yesterday when

1233
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:35,820
we talked.

1234
01:43:36,340 --> 01:43:43,260
The courts are seeing an increase in felony case load of 60 to 70 a year, year over years,

1235
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,420
that accurate approximately.

1236
01:43:46,260 --> 01:43:47,440
So she's shaking her head.

1237
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:54,000
Yes, so that goes to show just the judicial case load, which also impacts our holding

1238
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,380
in jail because typically if you're committing a felony, you're going to receive a

1239
01:43:58,380 --> 01:44:03,160
cash bond and a lot of times remaining incarcerated versus getting released on bail.

1240
01:44:04,660 --> 01:44:08,440
Okay, thank you. Supervisor Hayes. Last evening.

1241
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:14,040
Sheriff Walshmit, thank you so much for always answering questions and being so open and informative.

1242
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,600
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the work that you and your department do.

1243
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:24,260
And, you know, it's hard to talk to citizens because we hear certain things and I'm sure you know what those are.

1244
01:44:24,260 --> 01:44:29,940
But one of the things I wanted to ask you about was this idea of people not being from our county.

1245
01:44:30,580 --> 01:44:41,580
I know that in Wakusha County they have addressed this recently as well because it seems to be a burden that is not just happening in Fondalak County.

1246
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:50,680
And so I was wondering if you had any discussions with other other sheriffs or the state about that.

1247
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:59,980
And then I want to add to that as well in Sawyer County, they had, you know, increasing jail population, they did a study and found out that they did

1248
01:45:00,940 --> 01:45:07,700
And they were able to get more judges. There's also the issue of, do we have enough DAs? Are we backed up?

1249
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:13,320
Because we don't have resources in other areas. So I wonder if you could address that as well.

1250
01:45:14,020 --> 01:45:23,320
Yeah, I mean, we've had discussion and conversation on there are counties that, my opinion, you know, prioritize public safety and law and order.

1251
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:28,180
And I will tell you, from nearly the perspective of a sheriff and as the

1252
01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:33,780
fondal like County Sheriff, it is very frustrating to me to see the inmate roster every morning.

1253
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:38,760
I log in one of the first things I do is look at who is incarcerated, who is booked into jail,

1254
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:45,140
what those charges are. And it's probably nine out of ten times those offenders from

1255
01:45:45,140 --> 01:45:50,600
out of county who are coming here and committing serious crimes are out on bail from another county

1256
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:56,020
for serious offenses that they get a very low cash bond or cash bail on in counties that

1257
01:45:56,020 --> 01:46:01,160
historically or traditionally are for whatever reason and I can't control the judges in

1258
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:05,200
this county, but I certainly can't control them in other counties when they're setting low bonds,

1259
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:10,380
low bales, or they're out on probation. So the new charge comes with a probation or parole

1260
01:46:10,380 --> 01:46:15,920
because they're out on probation. They're repeat offenders. You continue to commit crimes and

1261
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:21,280
It's, I guess that's, I want to get on a soul box, I'll get off my soul box, but that is very

1262
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,380
frustrating, but that is the reality of what we see.

1263
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:28,380
These are typically not new first-time offenders committing these serious crimes.

1264
01:46:28,580 --> 01:46:32,800
There are people who, my opinion, should be incarcerated elsewhere for the crimes they've

1265
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:37,840
committed elsewhere, but that county failed to protect their citizens and release them

1266
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:42,100
and indirectly protect, you know, failed to protect our citizens and those individuals

1267
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:44,960
came here and committed those crimes here.

1268
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:53,120
We have, like I said, great judges, they are law and order judges and rule of law judges and, again, in my opinion,

1269
01:46:53,520 --> 01:47:01,880
typically will, how is appropriate or will set bail appropriately given the circumstances given the criminal history that offender and,

1270
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,640
but that does result in incarceration here.

1271
01:47:04,940 --> 01:47:11,140
Knowing, though, that if we release them, I mean, they've already committed crimes elsewhere, most of them have lengthy criminal histories.

1272
01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:17,480
They came here and committed crime and if they're released here on a low cash bond or cash bail

1273
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:21,740
They're going to probably reoffend somewhere else or reoffend here again

1274
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:26,380
So this is a public safety topic. This is a keeping the community safe topic

1275
01:47:27,060 --> 01:47:28,640
Meaning the jail

1276
01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:33,440
Project and the jail decisions that we need to make is a community. It's

1277
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:36,640
It impacts directly the safety and security of our citizens

1278
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:41,080
It's not just about holding offenders. It's about protecting our own citizens here too

1279
01:47:41,140 --> 01:47:44,740
from those that want to victimize our citizens and our businesses.

1280
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:47,720
So I just want to follow up.

1281
01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:49,240
Do we need another judge?

1282
01:47:49,540 --> 01:47:50,740
Do we need more DAs?

1283
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:52,000
Do we need more public defenders?

1284
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,420
Is that backing things up as well?

1285
01:47:55,320 --> 01:48:00,080
DA 20s in the room and the, like I said, five circuit court judges are in the room.

1286
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:03,100
I'm sure at some point we will need a six circuit court.

1287
01:48:03,140 --> 01:48:07,880
We have talked about that and or a court commissioner to alleviate some of that load.

1288
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:11,940
So there is no space in this building for an additional courtroom, none whatsoever.

1289
01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:18,560
As mentioned earlier, there's one adequately sized courtroom, the other four are not adequate.

1290
01:48:19,780 --> 01:48:25,380
But as far as how close we are to needing that six- to judge circuit judge or court commissioner,

1291
01:48:25,820 --> 01:48:32,580
I would defer to one of the judges if they want to answer and then Eric and the DA can speak to the prosecutor need.

1292
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:42,960
just try to be brief on the prosecutor need so we have a state workload analysis that evaluates all 72 counties are 71 DA's offices.

1293
01:48:43,340 --> 01:48:49,980
We have eight state funded prosecutor positions here in Fondal at County we're supposed to have about 14 and a half.

1294
01:48:50,260 --> 01:48:57,560
So we're at about 56% staff and we're in the bottom five of state staff offices in the entire state probably.

1295
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:03,100
One of the largest offices, Brown County is kind of in the same circumstances as us.

1296
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:08,840
We're blessed that we have a county executive and a county board that have supported us with some added positions.

1297
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:14,880
We have one and a half ARPA positions that will be potentially going away later this year.

1298
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,860
They're set to expire, I think, at the end of July.

1299
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:27,280
We set, well, in 2023, we filed 11 intentional or 10-bit homicide cases that put us fifth most in the state of Wisconsin

1300
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:36,460
for 2023 and we filed eight first-degree reckless homicide charges in at 2023 that put a second in

1301
01:49:36,460 --> 01:49:41,240
the state of Wisconsin tied with Brown County. So the sheriff talked about the homicide

1302
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:46,160
defendants they have and we're seeing that and our office, our judges are seeing that with

1303
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:51,340
their calendars which makes it very hard to get trials going because these usually take a

1304
01:49:51,340 --> 01:49:55,860
week or more and that puts other cases that don't rise to that severity but are equally important

1305
01:49:55,860 --> 01:49:59,980
with the impact it might have and other victims or the community making it more difficult.

1306
01:50:00,900 --> 01:50:05,020
And one of the things our judges are doing right now, if one of their trials falls off for

1307
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:08,940
the week and another judge has two different trials scheduled on their calendar, that judge may

1308
01:50:08,940 --> 01:50:14,160
step in and try to do one of those trials, which adds some workload for us, but we're trying to

1309
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,900
get these cases moving with the resources we have and it's difficult to find public defenders

1310
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:24,280
to take cases, which can keep cases extended for longer periods, especially if they withdraw,

1311
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:29,300
becomes even more difficult for that. So there's a host of problems not to mention some of the

1312
01:50:29,300 --> 01:50:34,960
things that were referenced with the set up of the courthouse with the inability to really do

1313
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:39,620
two maybe three jury trials at a time with some of those challenges. So there's a host of issues

1314
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:44,940
that we deal with but try to do it collaboratively together. I don't mean to interrupt but

1315
01:50:44,940 --> 01:50:49,820
corporation council would think like to get our attention. So you wouldn't mind clarifying.

1316
01:50:50,860 --> 01:50:52,720
I think we're getting off the topic.

1317
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:57,000
Yeah, we want to stick to the jail study here to a certain degree.

1318
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:58,280
We're starting to drift.

1319
01:50:58,460 --> 01:51:02,140
I know it's all related, but we'll get these questions answered.

1320
01:51:02,620 --> 01:51:05,120
But let's try and bring it back in a little bit.

1321
01:51:05,620 --> 01:51:06,440
So the supervisor will.

1322
01:51:06,540 --> 01:51:07,320
Gary will.

1323
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:07,940
You got a question.

1324
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:09,720
We're good.

1325
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:13,120
So we're going to move on to the next section.

1326
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:13,500
I don't.

1327
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:14,480
You might be back sheriff.

1328
01:51:15,220 --> 01:51:15,280
So.

1329
01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:18,560
Yep.

1330
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:20,080
Okay.

1331
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,380
So the next few slides are really going to talk about

1332
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:27,900
population, bad analysis, and you're going to be able to see it

1333
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:29,640
in your printout better than on the screen.

1334
01:51:30,440 --> 01:51:32,060
We have two or three lines there.

1335
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:38,420
The green is a combined population of state inmates

1336
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:40,880
and final account inmates.

1337
01:51:41,260 --> 01:51:45,500
So when you guys opened up your edition in 2006, 2007,

1338
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,680
and the left side represents that you didn't have as many

1339
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:54,420
You can find a lack county inmates, so you had capacity to be able to house state inmates.

1340
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:02,280
So the green shows what your population is, the blue shows the final lack county inmates,

1341
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,780
and the yellow shows the state.

1342
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:12,860
So as your final lack county inmates increased, you did not have the capacity to have state inmates.

1343
01:52:13,780 --> 01:52:15,420
It leads us to the next slide.

1344
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:17,440
It's not moving for me.

1345
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,080
I need a new click and we could put that on the internet.

1346
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:40,020
We'll shake the computer next. Maybe that way we did our own too much.

1347
01:52:40,140 --> 01:52:42,100
Yeah, I need a new clicker.

1348
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:46,880
There we go. All right.

1349
01:52:47,060 --> 01:52:48,500
We just had to talk about it now.

1350
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:52,180
So again, we're going to cruise through some of these.

1351
01:52:52,840 --> 01:53:01,580
But this is a graph that we showed a represent 2020-23 and 2020-24 inmate population.

1352
01:53:01,580 --> 01:53:05,380
And the red line, the red dotted line that you see there,

1353
01:53:05,740 --> 01:53:08,900
is your capacity when it's full.

1354
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:11,980
And you need to explain rate of capacity

1355
01:53:12,580 --> 01:53:14,660
and when the DOC considers it your full.

1356
01:53:14,860 --> 01:53:17,440
So you have 335 beds in your jail.

1357
01:53:17,980 --> 01:53:22,240
There is an 85% factor that the DOC looks at that says,

1358
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:26,700
when you get to 85% of your bed count, you are considered full.

1359
01:53:26,700 --> 01:53:34,840
What that means is when you get to 285 individuals in your jail, you are over-capacity.

1360
01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:40,220
The reason is is that that 15% is to allow for what I talked to you about earlier,

1361
01:53:40,740 --> 01:53:44,240
is that if somebody comes in and is going to be arrested,

1362
01:53:44,500 --> 01:53:46,760
that there's room to move them around.

1363
01:53:47,060 --> 01:53:50,960
Where it starts to become complicated is when we don't have the proper classification

1364
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,540
to deal with that.

1365
01:53:52,540 --> 01:54:00,040
So what you will see is in a large portion of the ladder part of 23 and all of 24 you guys are above capacity.

1366
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:09,560
Starting at the end of 24 and currently right now you guys are housing out of county 10 male inmates and 5 female inmates

1367
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:13,640
because you do not have the beds to be able to house them here.

1368
01:54:14,380 --> 01:54:21,460
The element that's tied into those components is that as you start to look at these places to be able to take these inmates

1369
01:54:22,340 --> 01:54:29,160
other counties don't have to take them, and that's the piece that we have to take into consideration when we're going to size your jail.

1370
01:54:30,780 --> 01:54:39,560
The sheriff can call up to an adjacent county and say, hey, I need 10 beds for 10 males, and the next county would go, no, we're not taking them.

1371
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:46,820
Continue to go that way. If you went across the state of Wisconsin right now, beds are very hard to come very hard to come by.

1372
01:54:46,820 --> 01:54:54,240
The other element that's tied into that is that the other counties only want to take your best inmates,

1373
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,960
meaning that those that are of the best behavior.

1374
01:54:57,700 --> 01:55:00,080
So now you are left with the balance of those elements,

1375
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:04,040
the balance of those inmates to deal with the elements that they have to deal with.

1376
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:09,720
So Cory has done an analysis here and I'll maybe have you talk a little bit about these factors.

1377
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:16,800
But these projections here are based on the increases that we see over the course of the history of your

1378
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:18,580
of your average daily population.

1379
01:55:20,830 --> 01:55:22,930
Well, when we do the analysis and a projection,

1380
01:55:23,210 --> 01:55:28,530
we look at a couple historical data, your peak occupancy

1381
01:55:28,530 --> 01:55:32,630
at a time, obviously, that graph before that fluctuates

1382
01:55:32,630 --> 01:55:35,130
constantly on a daily basis.

1383
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:38,410
The flexibility we talked about classification,

1384
01:55:38,650 --> 01:55:40,970
moving inmates from one area to another,

1385
01:55:42,410 --> 01:55:46,870
as well as the 85% rule from the Department of Corrections,

1386
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:52,250
you only can house 85% before they start to consider that you're full.

1387
01:55:53,010 --> 01:55:57,910
So those are all of the factors, again, the percentages that are indicated, sorry, I can't

1388
01:55:57,910 --> 01:56:04,090
quite read them from this angle right now, but that is for historical data from we went

1389
01:56:04,090 --> 01:56:10,770
back 10, 20 years throughout your jail and as far as your population and how and seeing that

1390
01:56:10,770 --> 01:56:11,230
increase.

1391
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:16,610
So that's that percentage factor and then adjusting those for the peak and the flexibility

1392
01:56:16,610 --> 01:56:21,710
and that maintenance factor for that age, right, percent.

1393
01:56:22,270 --> 01:56:23,550
So you'll see the bottom number.

1394
01:56:23,770 --> 01:56:25,830
The bottom number will give you a sticker shock.

1395
01:56:26,130 --> 01:56:29,090
It was 554 beds.

1396
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:33,050
And that was a number that we dealt with your committee and we said,

1397
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:36,990
Hey, 554 beds would be your projection at your 20.

1398
01:56:37,170 --> 01:56:42,810
If you continue to see your population increase at 1.75 percent for 20 years.

1399
01:56:43,670 --> 01:56:51,630
You're going to build a jail, you're going to borrow money, and you're going to borrow money under a general obligation bond that takes you 20 years to pay it off.

1400
01:56:52,710 --> 01:56:57,950
Taxpayers expect that that building, you're not going to have to invest more money in that in 20 years.

1401
01:56:59,330 --> 01:57:01,490
So you have to give you this data.

1402
01:57:02,530 --> 01:57:07,130
You don't have to decide to build a housing unit that's 554 beds.

1403
01:57:07,130 --> 01:57:12,370
You can decide to do whatever that number looks like in regards to your approach.

1404
01:57:12,490 --> 01:57:18,190
But this number is based on your historical increase and what your county has seen.

1405
01:57:18,370 --> 01:57:22,830
And I have to tell you that the last year has really changed these numbers.

1406
01:57:23,090 --> 01:57:27,190
Meaning that if we went back and revisited this over over a five year span,

1407
01:57:27,190 --> 01:57:32,230
the number would probably be higher because we're floating it over 20 years.

1408
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:41,190
So, with that said, 564 beds is a big jail, you have 335 beds here today.

1409
01:57:41,850 --> 01:57:45,010
So we have to start talking about, well, let's get into juvenile.

1410
01:57:45,690 --> 01:57:51,670
You guys are unique, you're one of, I believe it's 12 facilities in the state of Wisconsin.

1411
01:57:51,790 --> 01:57:57,450
Might be down to 11 now, that have juvenile detention facilities.

1412
01:57:57,450 --> 01:58:08,670
You are rated for, I believe it's 26 beds, 27 beds, you currently were average about 12 people in there, 12 juveniles.

1413
01:58:09,450 --> 01:58:13,130
I think your average of your own county is 4 to 6.

1414
01:58:14,090 --> 01:58:20,450
And the juvenile piece is an element that some counties have said, do we want to stay in that business?

1415
01:58:20,610 --> 01:58:22,330
Do we want to get out of the juvenile piece?

1416
01:58:23,170 --> 01:58:24,850
Do we want to just ship them out of county?

1417
01:58:24,850 --> 01:58:34,230
What you will find is that the out of county cost for a juvenile is higher than an adult.

1418
01:58:34,830 --> 01:58:40,770
You will find that adult out of county charges daily are anywhere from 50 to 60 bucks a day.

1419
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:44,090
The juveniles are typically north of 200.

1420
01:58:45,110 --> 01:58:46,450
250 have heard 500.

1421
01:58:47,010 --> 01:58:53,590
There's ranging numbers, but it becomes an expense to you the county if you have to house a juvenile out of house.

1422
01:58:53,590 --> 01:58:58,270
So part of your equation is do we stay in the juvenile business?

1423
01:58:59,330 --> 01:59:02,730
So to kind of give you an idea of the fluctuation and the numbers that are in there,

1424
01:59:02,990 --> 01:59:05,290
it really shows you the difference in the chart.

1425
01:59:05,410 --> 01:59:07,070
You guys can take time to be able to look at.

1426
01:59:07,070 --> 01:59:09,370
It just shows what happens over 23 and 24.

1427
01:59:10,190 --> 01:59:14,670
This line shows that the bottom line is your population.

1428
01:59:15,170 --> 01:59:17,810
The top line is the state's population.

1429
01:59:18,850 --> 01:59:22,710
There is a need for juvenile beds in the state of Wisconsin.

1430
01:59:22,710 --> 01:59:27,310
The reason that we show this is that you have to ask yourself,

1431
01:59:27,490 --> 01:59:32,150
does it make sense to continue to do juvenile detention?

1432
01:59:33,030 --> 01:59:37,350
And do you bring out of County juveniles here as a potential revenue?

1433
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:39,130
Is this a decision to be made?

1434
01:59:40,530 --> 01:59:41,910
It'll get into the equation.

1435
01:59:42,770 --> 01:59:44,930
We're going to get into options here.

1436
01:59:45,170 --> 01:59:49,350
Any questions on the bed analysis of how we got there?

1437
01:59:49,730 --> 01:59:50,530
Supervisor Griffith.

1438
01:59:50,530 --> 01:59:57,570
Yeah, thank you. I'm wondering I know that building for taking in inmates from other counties is not a good idea

1439
01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,970
You can't cover your capital cost that way at all is it different?

1440
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,980
With juveniles? Is the economics really quite different?

1441
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:09,100
So, here's the way that I would say that. I don't ever recommend to build a jail for revenue.

1442
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:13,480
I'm not, I'm not of that position. But here's what I will say.

1443
02:00:13,820 --> 02:00:21,920
Is that if you build a jail so that it will forecast and house your inmates for the foreseeable future,

1444
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:27,300
meaning 20 years and day one that you move in there, if you've got capacity there, and you

1445
02:00:27,300 --> 02:00:33,380
have your jail staff properly, why not bring them in if the sheriff says let's do it, right?

1446
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:38,400
But don't get to your final number under the premise to say, hey, the state needs 100 beds,

1447
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:41,100
let's build 150 beds, do you have an hour of the tension?

1448
02:00:41,540 --> 02:00:43,260
It's not why that's there.

1449
02:00:43,700 --> 02:00:47,640
I think it's one of those where you ask yourself, if we average four to six and we'll get

1450
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,320
to the options, I've got a chart that shows you numbers.

1451
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:57,500
If you ask yourself if it's going to cost us three quarters of a million dollars on our operating budget to out of a cozy out of county

1452
02:00:57,500 --> 02:01:02,180
How is our juveniles does it make sense to stay in the juvenile business?

1453
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:03,880
You guys know you're operating budget.

1454
02:01:03,940 --> 02:01:05,940
It's going to come out of your operating line.

1455
02:01:05,940 --> 02:01:07,000
So we'll get to that.

1456
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:07,440
Great question.

1457
02:01:09,750 --> 02:01:10,230
Okay.

1458
02:01:10,410 --> 02:01:11,210
No, that's it.

1459
02:01:11,250 --> 02:01:11,950
We can move on.

1460
02:01:13,330 --> 02:01:13,470
All right.

1461
02:01:13,810 --> 02:01:17,030
So in order to get options,

1462
02:01:18,430 --> 02:01:35,230
Venture went through a space programming exercise and what that is is to identify all of the rooms that would be needed in a law enforcement center or a justice center and put some square footages to them.

1463
02:01:35,950 --> 02:01:43,090
This is an exercise to be able to size the concepts that we're going to show you so we can show you how many square feet they are.

1464
02:01:43,090 --> 02:01:47,910
Now, there is factors in here, there is a grossing factor, the grossing factor would be this.

1465
02:01:48,330 --> 02:01:55,870
If this room is 50 by 70, and we say, okay, we need a 3,500 square foot room,

1466
02:01:56,270 --> 02:02:00,770
we're going to put a grossing factor on top of that because we have to account for the walls,

1467
02:02:01,130 --> 02:02:04,790
the square footage of the walls, we have to account for the square footage of the corridors,

1468
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:12,250
and we have to account for the square footage of the stairwells that would have to be used for movement within the building.

1469
02:02:13,090 --> 02:02:17,070
It's an exercise that the architects use to be able to get to a massing number.

1470
02:02:17,810 --> 02:02:24,910
We went through that exercise here to be able to identify a 450-bed jail with a

1471
02:02:24,910 --> 02:02:31,030
sheriff's office associated with that, with the vehicle garage associated with that,

1472
02:02:31,130 --> 02:02:36,090
and with the court system associated with that.

1473
02:02:36,650 --> 02:02:40,810
The numbers that we got to for just a law enforcement center, if you were going to build

1474
02:02:40,810 --> 02:02:44,590
law enforcement center was 297,000 square feet.

1475
02:02:45,130 --> 02:02:51,270
If you were going to build a justice center, which would mean jail, including all jail support,

1476
02:02:51,570 --> 02:02:56,750
kitchen, laundry, salary port, pre-book, intake, the sheriff's office, training center,

1477
02:02:57,350 --> 02:03:02,470
and all of the court suite, what we mean by that is judges, chambers, the judges, staff,

1478
02:03:02,750 --> 02:03:07,450
the court rooms, the jury rooms, all the corridors that were tied into that DA's office.

1479
02:03:07,690 --> 02:03:08,910
Did we have child support in that?

1480
02:03:09,010 --> 02:03:15,010
Okay, child support in there, it gets you to this massing number of 413,000 square feet.

1481
02:03:15,290 --> 02:03:18,830
It doesn't mean that's where the building is going to be, but it has to be a starting point

1482
02:03:18,830 --> 02:03:24,190
so that we can use this as our conceptual numbers. So then we get into options.

1483
02:03:24,630 --> 02:03:32,170
And the options that you see here are two scale of your plan of your campus here to say,

1484
02:03:32,170 --> 02:03:41,650
does it fit. This option right here is the one that I wanted to work because the orange box

1485
02:03:41,650 --> 02:03:48,510
that you see on the west side of the campus is where you could park your housing unit to

1486
02:03:48,510 --> 02:03:55,030
be able to build your jail and it would be right next to the courts. It shortens the distance

1487
02:03:55,030 --> 02:04:01,050
between the courts and the housing unit. The problem with that is that we are going over

1488
02:04:01,050 --> 02:04:07,650
river. So that option was quickly kicked to the curb because it didn't make sense in regards

1489
02:04:07,650 --> 02:04:13,690
to the topography that's tied into your campus. This next option was if we looked at putting

1490
02:04:15,150 --> 02:04:24,290
a housing unit on the north end of your campus that is 150 bed footprint, that actually means

1491
02:04:24,290 --> 02:04:28,110
that we have to vacate the street to the north. Why can't you remember the name of the street to the

1492
02:04:29,550 --> 02:04:38,890
Second, if we vacate that street to the north obviously that becomes a very big decision to vacate a street in the city.

1493
02:04:39,850 --> 02:04:59,530
So those parameters didn't work, but in this option, in order to get here, because our discussion was build a smaller housing unit, not 450 beds, but a smaller housing unit, and then renovate the first, third and fourth floors of this building.

1494
02:04:59,530 --> 02:05:05,530
and make it a jail. We have to figure out where everybody else is going, but it was an exercise

1495
02:05:05,530 --> 02:05:12,390
that we went through to say, could we make this area a jail above and below the courts?

1496
02:05:13,490 --> 02:05:19,570
There wasn't a good idea, but we'll show you why. They laid out each one of these pods.

1497
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:27,990
So each one of the floor of this building, they took and made a pod design that would be that circular look.

1498
02:05:27,990 --> 02:05:34,230
The problem that we ran into is that we were only able to get to 288 beds with this model,

1499
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:38,030
so it was a smaller bed count than what you currently have today.

1500
02:05:38,990 --> 02:05:41,070
And it was very staff intensive.

1501
02:05:41,370 --> 02:05:45,190
Every floor needed to have additional posts for them.

1502
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:48,850
Remember how we told you that the one dot that's in the middle could be one person that could

1503
02:05:48,850 --> 02:05:49,750
handle both floors?

1504
02:05:50,490 --> 02:05:53,650
Now they have to only deal with one half of your building.

1505
02:05:53,650 --> 02:05:58,050
So we vastly increased your staffing numbers.

1506
02:05:58,690 --> 02:06:01,930
I want to explain to you what that staffing number looks like.

1507
02:06:02,590 --> 02:06:07,350
One of those posts, one of those red dots, should represent a half a million dollars in

1508
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:08,010
your mind.

1509
02:06:08,670 --> 02:06:14,810
Here's why it represents a half a million dollars, because that post requires five full-time

1510
02:06:14,810 --> 02:06:19,270
correctional officers, and you go, wait, what does that mean five?

1511
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:21,470
It's 24, 7, 365.

1512
02:06:22,390 --> 02:06:29,550
So when we start to look at shifts and there's way you see, you can break it down whether it's eight hours or 12 hours shift, there's a factor of 4.3 or 4.7,

1513
02:06:30,190 --> 02:06:35,310
I always use five to air on the side of conservativeness that you need five people in each one of them.

1514
02:06:35,310 --> 02:06:40,410
And if you say with the salary and the benefits of that correctional offer, that's a half a million dollar decision,

1515
02:06:40,850 --> 02:06:45,550
that's a half a million dollar decision that you have to add to your operating budget, you can't borrow for it.

1516
02:06:45,550 --> 02:06:50,870
So quickly, this is why this one became ineffective because we were doing this on every floor.

1517
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:53,510
You see all the red dots that start to add up?

1518
02:06:54,130 --> 02:06:57,150
That one didn't make sense in regards to an operational piece.

1519
02:06:58,890 --> 02:07:05,450
So then we got into this option and I don't know that we know more than showed it to the committee

1520
02:07:05,450 --> 02:07:10,310
and what it was doing to the park across the street and it was a quick no, right?

1521
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:14,430
So, we've got to show where it's at, what it would consume.

1522
02:07:15,230 --> 02:07:19,130
This was one that the committee said, don't thank you,

1523
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:20,870
because we're going to deal with that transfer.

1524
02:07:23,130 --> 02:07:25,890
I just had us put a little bit of movement,

1525
02:07:26,130 --> 02:07:27,970
and I don't know if you can see those little dots moving.

1526
02:07:28,830 --> 02:07:29,970
But here's a challenge with...

1527
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:37,460
Every one of these concepts that we put down here. Do you remember that corridor that I showed you that we

1528
02:07:37,460 --> 02:07:45,120
would move inmates from housing to the courts? In each one of these models, we're going to show you that. We are actually

1529
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:53,480
extending that court transport corridor in each one of these options. It doesn't get any better, just because of the configuration of where

1530
02:07:53,480 --> 02:08:01,480
needs to be. The next option, why isn't that? There we go. This next one was going to the

1531
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:11,280
self, parking lot to the self. And in this model, this model represents 350 bed pods. The orange

1532
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:18,220
are those 150 bed pods. It'd be a 450 bed edition, the green little line that's across

1533
02:08:18,220 --> 02:08:25,980
a western there would be a skywalk and the grid that's below there is jail support.

1534
02:08:26,300 --> 02:08:34,180
So on your lower level, you would have your vehicle salary port, pre-book, booking, intake,

1535
02:08:34,900 --> 02:08:39,320
jail support also includes kitchen and laundry and the blue represents juvenile detention.

1536
02:08:40,460 --> 02:08:45,260
So that gets your law enforcement center addition across the street.

1537
02:08:45,260 --> 02:08:51,120
The movement on this one again, now we have just moved it in an entire city block and

1538
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:52,900
per scale, it doesn't do it justice.

1539
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:58,860
When I walk that corridor the first time with Sheriff, I'm like, you're kidding, because

1540
02:08:58,860 --> 02:09:03,300
they're moving people with shackles up and down that corridor.

1541
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,300
So now we're going to extend that another city block.

1542
02:09:06,580 --> 02:09:10,820
But this is an option that was presented to the committee as well.

1543
02:09:11,460 --> 02:09:16,260
There's a lot of things that come into play here, because we start to talk about the renovation.

1544
02:09:17,140 --> 02:09:21,600
People have asked about renovation of the jail. Can we renovate the jail the way it is?

1545
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:27,020
And the answer is, the jail can be renovated, but the reinvent, renovating the jail is going to be expensive.

1546
02:09:27,740 --> 02:09:34,720
Because when you go in to gut a building, it's easy if I take Stuz and Drywell and I knock the walls down.

1547
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:42,160
In a jail, every one of those walls is concrete block that has a rebar that's inside of it and is slushed with concrete.

1548
02:09:42,980 --> 02:09:47,620
So now there's the demolition to be able to get to that point is very very extensive.

1549
02:09:48,580 --> 02:09:55,340
In order to renovate the jail, because of all of the code deficiencies, it would be a near-complete gut

1550
02:09:55,340 --> 02:09:59,720
because we have to bring everything up to code and you've got a lot of mechanical electrical issues.

1551
02:09:59,720 --> 02:10:05,120
You would have to displace all of your inmates for a period of time.

1552
02:10:05,300 --> 02:10:07,460
Now these projects don't get done overnight.

1553
02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:13,580
We're talking about an 18 month to 24 month duration on a renovation of that space.

1554
02:10:14,140 --> 02:10:22,300
And if you did the math at 60 bucks a day for your adults and 250 bucks a day for your juveniles,

1555
02:10:22,500 --> 02:10:23,600
if you're going to house them out of county,

1556
02:10:24,120 --> 02:10:27,760
you're probably somewhere in the neighborhood of six to seven million dollars a year,

1557
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:35,840
Which is an operating component. So now you have to look at where do we build new so that we're not displacing our jail we have to find an option that our jail

1558
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:39,820
can continue to function as it is until we give them a new home.

1559
02:10:40,060 --> 02:10:47,400
So the renovation of that sheriff's office that we show here would have to be space that isn't jail after the fact is we have to have a place to put those inmates.

1560
02:10:47,860 --> 02:10:53,180
So we would have to come back and renovate that purple or that pink space for sheriff's office space.

1561
02:10:54,840 --> 02:11:06,320
The next option here, this was just a different configuration of the one on the east side and again that represents Veterans Park so that was a quick know.

1562
02:11:07,460 --> 02:11:15,840
This one here was another configuration where it wasn't stacked, but we gotled up more of the neighborhood there.

1563
02:11:16,500 --> 02:11:20,320
So there's obviously housing that would be consumed in regards to the jail support.

1564
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:27,000
the red was what was undercover before, so we did an analysis of if we did this all as one level

1565
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:32,820
that we weren't stacking them. The reason about the stacking is when you stack those buildings,

1566
02:11:33,860 --> 02:11:38,760
so every time you stack a housing unit, you have to add additional staff with the in-mate movement

1567
02:11:38,760 --> 02:11:43,620
within that housing unit. So you start to add another post and rehearse to just movement. That's why

1568
02:11:43,620 --> 02:11:49,440
that one level housing, which would be two, it's actually two stories, but it's only one

1569
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,780
correctional officer is your most cost-effective operating model.

1570
02:11:57,080 --> 02:12:01,700
So the other option was if we move your operation

1571
02:12:01,700 --> 02:12:04,600
out to the highway shop site.

1572
02:12:05,460 --> 02:12:08,620
When we started here, it was told us

1573
02:12:08,620 --> 02:12:11,920
that that was kind of a vision or a concept

1574
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,440
that was considered by the county.

1575
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:15,320
You acquired some property.

1576
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:18,220
You built the highway shop out there with the intention

1577
02:12:18,220 --> 02:12:21,700
that maybe someday the geode would go out there as well.

1578
02:12:21,700 --> 02:12:27,660
So, this model here shows what a law enforcement center would look like out at the highway shop.

1579
02:12:28,420 --> 02:12:32,780
The orange represent your 150-bed housing units.

1580
02:12:33,660 --> 02:12:48,020
The red represents your vehicles, or the little orange vehicle salary port, the red represents your booking, your receiving, your intake, all of your kitchen and laundry.

1581
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:57,260
And then the small one on the corner would be a juvenile pod, that was 30 beds, and the blue was the vehicle garage.

1582
02:12:58,500 --> 02:13:02,280
We're here at the office, here at the office, and then the vehicle garage would be on the opposite side there.

1583
02:13:02,680 --> 02:13:07,760
So we're essentially taking the same square footage here and we're placing it out at the highway shop.

1584
02:13:09,710 --> 02:13:16,010
Challenge with this option is that we have to come downtown and do remodeling for your courts.

1585
02:13:16,010 --> 02:13:31,470
And if you look at the floor plan that's on the right-hand side, this is going down into that lower level so it would be the ramp that's on the west side of your campus and going down into the lower level and we would then create holding cells down on that lower level.

1586
02:13:32,010 --> 02:13:42,710
So that transport from your jail would have to come over to these cells that would be in your lower level so that those individuals could be housed in that holding cell until they were head to go to court.

1587
02:13:42,710 --> 02:13:48,350
And in order to get them up to court, the model on the back side or on the bottom side shows

1588
02:13:48,350 --> 02:13:52,630
that we would put an elevator on the outside of the building, and then we would come

1589
02:13:52,630 --> 02:13:55,710
into the court or that's already there.

1590
02:13:55,890 --> 02:14:00,350
Still doesn't solve your security issues of walking through the court or to your courts,

1591
02:14:00,410 --> 02:14:02,210
because your courts would need to be reconfigured.

1592
02:14:02,910 --> 02:14:05,690
That has not been fixed or addressed in this model.

1593
02:14:05,690 --> 02:14:18,670
So this is just getting from a removed location for your jail to hear, to be able to give you a spot for your inmates to be able to be housed before they go into court.

1594
02:14:21,710 --> 02:14:25,230
The other thing that complicates this is that now you have to add additional staff.

1595
02:14:25,930 --> 02:14:30,990
So working with the sheriff, there is an estimated 10 additional staff that we need to be added.

1596
02:14:30,990 --> 02:14:40,030
And if you look at the calculation down below, it's almost $1.1 million annually for those staff to be there,

1597
02:14:40,370 --> 02:14:43,790
which would include the acquisition of transport vehicles.

1598
02:14:44,630 --> 02:14:50,590
The bottom of this sheet shows you that over the course of the next one to 50 years,

1599
02:14:51,110 --> 02:14:56,290
if you look at and pay increase of your staff because that would change of 2%, 3%, 4%,

1600
02:14:56,290 --> 02:14:59,970
percent you can see with that escalation value would be over the

1601
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:18,240
Of course, of those years. So the number starts to become very large, and that's on your operating side. So in 10 years, that would be 1.3 or almost 1.4 million dollars annual component, and then you can see what those numbers escalate to in regards to the years beyond that.

1602
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:28,070
Justice Center concept, it's basically taking the model that we showed you with a law enforcement center, and we've placed the courts function on the second floor.

1603
02:15:28,070 --> 02:15:34,370
And that's in the model where you have all of the sheriff's office and the jail function

1604
02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:40,370
on the first floor and then the suites up above to be able to, the court suites up above.

1605
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:43,630
So you use elevator movement to be able to get them into holding cells.

1606
02:15:43,850 --> 02:15:48,690
It would be a short trip from housing into the court space and this would be the campus

1607
02:15:48,690 --> 02:15:52,210
that's out on that by the highway shop for the justice center.

1608
02:15:54,250 --> 02:15:56,410
This is just another configuration to show it on.

1609
02:15:56,410 --> 02:16:02,590
We've tweaked it, part of the discussion when we were at the committee, we started at this and then we squared it up.

1610
02:16:03,170 --> 02:16:05,430
So that's why you see this one is more of a squared version.

1611
02:16:05,810 --> 02:16:10,830
This was the original concept that we were showing because there's actually an easement there that we have to deal with.

1612
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:15,740
This is a rough configuration of what that courts floor would look like.

1613
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:26,620
You see the purple or blue ones that are the court rooms and then the space around that and then there are holding cells within each one of those court rooms.

1614
02:16:26,620 --> 02:16:32,840
You want to be able to have those holding cells come in between two courtroom so that they can quickly go into those spaces

1615
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:39,740
That's how you do it. So you don't have to cross corridors. This would give you a concept in regards to what that configuration would look like on the second floor again

1616
02:16:39,740 --> 02:16:44,180
Not finalized, but it gives you the model in which that would be accomplished.

1617
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:53,100
What do we do downtown? That's the big question. If you moved out of here with all of your operations, what do you do downtown?

1618
02:16:53,900 --> 02:16:57,540
The quick answer is we didn't have a great solution for that.

1619
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:06,600
This was an option that was considered and what this represents is that the orange portion of the building that's there is the building that you're in right here.

1620
02:17:06,980 --> 02:17:10,480
The green space or the green area that's there would become parking lot.

1621
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:15,360
You would take down the sheriff's office, you would take down the jail, you would leave this as a government center.

1622
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:23,720
And then the sheriff's office and the jail would become a parking lot for the government center.

1623
02:17:23,720 --> 02:17:27,960
And the light blue area across this way could be private development.

1624
02:17:28,620 --> 02:17:30,220
You could take the county parking lot.

1625
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:32,720
You could sell it to somebody in the private sector.

1626
02:17:33,060 --> 02:17:35,380
And it was a discussion about whether that wanted to be housing,

1627
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,100
whether that wanted to be an apartment structure.

1628
02:17:37,480 --> 02:17:40,820
That would be a way in order to generate revenue on the sale,

1629
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:42,020
as well as a tax base.

1630
02:17:42,460 --> 02:17:44,380
Again, not a final conclusion,

1631
02:17:44,660 --> 02:17:48,320
but it was an option and a consideration that was discussed at the committee level.

1632
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:50,580
All right.

1633
02:17:50,580 --> 02:17:55,730
through a lot at you, questions before I give you a cost of each one of them.

1634
02:17:58,780 --> 02:17:59,780
Supervisor Hayes.

1635
02:18:01,430 --> 02:18:06,470
You're stand, why you cannot stack those pod buildings?

1636
02:18:06,690 --> 02:18:07,950
Ken, great question.

1637
02:18:08,250 --> 02:18:10,790
And I don't understand what the problem is with that.

1638
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:11,430
We can.

1639
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:15,910
We actually just finished one, and I could take you there in, in Tori there.

1640
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:20,910
We just finished Wood County and Wood County built a 300-bed jail,

1641
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:23,030
and we stacked it because we didn't have the real estate.

1642
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:31,270
do anything more. And we actually talked about that is that you could stack the 150-bed model

1643
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:37,270
whether you go to high, three high, four high, it could be an element of that. And we talked

1644
02:18:37,270 --> 02:18:43,490
about it at the committee level that it's not staff-efficient because we added more staff to

1645
02:18:43,490 --> 02:18:50,210
be able to deal with the flow, but it can be done. I will tell you and I'll get to that is that

1646
02:18:50,210 --> 02:18:55,810
But as the committee was considering these things and operationally, everybody was leaning

1647
02:18:55,810 --> 02:19:01,350
towards, I shouldn't say everybody, most people were leaning towards the model that's out

1648
02:19:01,350 --> 02:19:02,670
by the highway shop.

1649
02:19:03,110 --> 02:19:05,790
Once they saw the cost, then it was why can't we stack them?

1650
02:19:06,110 --> 02:19:07,870
Or is there a consideration of stacking them?

1651
02:19:08,250 --> 02:19:10,290
That was kind of the discussion that was there.

1652
02:19:10,430 --> 02:19:14,090
But to answer your question, simply is, it could be done.

1653
02:19:15,070 --> 02:19:18,510
But here's the decision that happens if you start to stack that.

1654
02:19:18,510 --> 02:19:22,150
If we stack it, we'll back here,

1655
02:19:27,580 --> 02:19:30,780
best one would be, that's one.

1656
02:19:32,060 --> 02:19:38,800
If you took the parking lot across the street, and if you took that upper left hand corner

1657
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:48,560
orange box, and you said I want to stack that to make 300 beds, now you've just freed

1658
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:53,100
up one other one spot of that space that's there.

1659
02:19:53,780 --> 02:19:57,160
We would then have to move the Sally port, and this is what we did at wood.

1660
02:19:57,180 --> 02:19:59,360
We moved the jail support underneath there.

1661
02:19:59,540 --> 02:20:05,840
The Sally port, the intake, the jail support, which would be the kitchen and laundry under

1662
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:06,500
those elements.

1663
02:20:07,740 --> 02:20:14,560
We could build that as a 300-bed jail with the support below that, but we still have to do

1664
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:20,920
connection to be able to get into the quarter into the courthouse and it doesn't address all

1665
02:20:20,920 --> 02:20:23,700
the court elements so we're in there. So we would have to go in and address the court

1666
02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:29,040
elements as well. Okay, so I want to ask about that. Where you show the sheriff office

1667
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:35,180
renovations to the what would be the west is still is current jail, correct? Correct.

1668
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:42,780
Because it's obviously been stated tonight. We need more court space. So where you have that

1669
02:20:42,780 --> 02:20:47,040
office renovations, you could do court renovations and share of

1670
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:52,380
renovations in that entire space is my question. Yes, so that's it would

1671
02:20:52,380 --> 02:20:55,360
actually ask that the committee about doing that and that's where when I

1672
02:20:55,360 --> 02:21:00,700
explained about the renovation of the jail, renovation of the jail becomes very

1673
02:21:00,700 --> 02:21:05,440
expensive. Not that you can't do it, but I will tell you that it is one of those

1674
02:21:05,440 --> 02:21:10,420
things that I'm expecting will be asked to be explored further based on the cost

1675
02:21:10,420 --> 02:21:13,400
that were given to the committee at the end of their meeting.

1676
02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:18,400
Your question is relevant, and I think it will be a question that's asked.

1677
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:20,540
Okay, but I'm not talking about a renovation.

1678
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:24,680
I'm talking about a new jail construction going up across the way,

1679
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:29,740
and then complete new reconstruction, maybe where the sheriff's office and all that.

1680
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:35,280
Yeah, you're saying renovate the sheriff's office to be courts and build the new jail across the street.

1681
02:21:35,360 --> 02:21:36,240
That's what you're saying.

1682
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:38,560
Well, in a new sheriff's office, yeah.

1683
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:42,720
You're talking about taking all of that down if you go out.

1684
02:21:43,080 --> 02:21:43,140
Yes.

1685
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:48,540
And I'm talking about taking that all down and renovate the courts and the sheriff's office.

1686
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:49,740
All that stuff.

1687
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:53,920
I'll hand this out while you're asking more questions.

1688
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:02,400
Supervisor Luring.

1689
02:22:03,880 --> 02:22:07,360
Yeah, I just wanted to say I feel like

1690
02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:09,620
Mad enough options were really explored.

1691
02:22:10,540 --> 02:22:11,200
I don't.

1692
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:11,980
I came.

1693
02:22:12,040 --> 02:22:13,940
What I'll do respect to Angela.

1694
02:22:14,540 --> 02:22:19,380
There was seven meetings where we talked and I went to I went to all of them except seven meetings

1695
02:22:19,380 --> 02:22:29,420
I would all do respect as they weren't explored. They were now you're getting everything that this committee saw in a two-hour presentation and I

1696
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:34,600
Don't think it's respectful on your part to say that it hadn't been gone through. It was gone through.

1697
02:22:35,260 --> 02:22:40,560
Now, maybe you don't like the results of what they came to, but it was the only recommendation.

1698
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,420
So I just want you to say that it's an example.

1699
02:22:43,420 --> 02:22:51,200
Yeah. Well, I didn't get to finish. So what I'm saying is I went to all of those jail ad hoc committee meetings.

1700
02:22:51,220 --> 02:22:57,920
I believe I missed one for being sick. I want to say that I don't feel,

1701
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:09,960
I personally have heard other ideas and I have not seen a bunch of blue prints that show that all these options have been explored to keep things in the city.

1702
02:23:10,740 --> 02:23:27,000
I mean, I like her option. I also want to say that I heard an option from a former judge who said that why can't we keep the juveniles and a pod for people who are no longer waiting for court in the city.

1703
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:31,120
And then have the courts and the jails move out of town.

1704
02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:35,800
I mean, I understand the importance of keeping everything together,

1705
02:23:35,880 --> 02:23:38,260
get together, it's safer, it's more cost-effective.

1706
02:23:39,140 --> 02:23:40,300
And I am for that.

1707
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:42,140
And I know we need a new jail,

1708
02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:45,280
but there are things that I think that could still be explored.

1709
02:23:45,980 --> 02:23:47,180
So I'm not being disrespectful.

1710
02:23:47,660 --> 02:23:53,160
I'm just doing due diligence for the people in the county

1711
02:23:53,160 --> 02:23:56,820
that are coming to me and they are saying these things

1712
02:23:56,820 --> 02:24:05,320
me. I do feel like we need to explore more options. I just don't. I mean, we have one set of consultants.

1713
02:24:05,820 --> 02:24:11,640
And I think you're doing a great job and I'm not trying to disrespect you. But I feel like when we

1714
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:18,480
have another, you know, when we have more people looking at it, you come up with more options. And

1715
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:22,800
I don't know what you think about that idea, but there are people no longer waiting for court.

1716
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:25,520
And they could be housed in a supper pod.

1717
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:28,980
And they don't have to be attached to a jail.

1718
02:24:29,140 --> 02:24:30,280
I mean, to a court.

1719
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:32,900
So let me stress that we're not

1720
02:24:32,900 --> 02:24:35,080
asking for a definitive decision tonight.

1721
02:24:35,320 --> 02:24:37,480
So I don't want anybody to feel that way.

1722
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:40,040
Tonight is presenting to you what the ad hoc committee

1723
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:40,840
has gone through.

1724
02:24:41,420 --> 02:24:43,620
What I have typically seen happen is that there

1725
02:24:43,620 --> 02:24:45,180
will be dialogue on this floor.

1726
02:24:45,880 --> 02:24:47,960
And then this initiative is

1727
02:24:47,960 --> 02:24:50,560
then directed to a standing committee that then vets some

1728
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,100
of what you're talking about, right?

1729
02:24:52,100 --> 02:24:59,160
What you're asking for is not out of line, but have to understand that there has been

1730
02:24:59,160 --> 02:25:03,320
consideration for multiple things that we haven't even shown in drawing form because

1731
02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:08,500
we've tried to condenses to present this to you outside of what we've been able to navigate.

1732
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:13,840
The point of a lot of this decision is what you have to consider.

1733
02:25:14,420 --> 02:25:20,800
You were making a decision for the county for the next 50 years and here's what I want

1734
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:29,140
to stress. Master planning in its entirety is having a vision for the next 50 years for this

1735
02:25:29,140 --> 02:25:35,480
county. If you decide that you are going to park a jail down here and you're going to put

1736
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:40,920
it down town, you have to have a game plan for what are you doing with all of the other

1737
02:25:40,920 --> 02:25:46,140
buildings that when they've lived their life, how are they going to be replaced down here?

1738
02:25:46,740 --> 02:25:52,700
What you have down here is you don't have enough real estate to accomplish that, that is the biggest component.

1739
02:25:53,260 --> 02:25:55,700
It's not saying that you can't do it.

1740
02:25:56,200 --> 02:25:58,960
It's not saying that you guys can't decide to do that.

1741
02:25:59,060 --> 02:26:05,340
It's just that, know that you've made that decision because right now, if you decide you're going to build a jail down here,

1742
02:26:05,940 --> 02:26:07,300
you're going to be tied into that.

1743
02:26:07,360 --> 02:26:12,060
You guys have been, you have this jail here for 70 years and you've continued to tag onto it.

1744
02:26:12,100 --> 02:26:15,580
That's where you have to ask when, and is it the right time to make a move?

1745
02:26:15,580 --> 02:26:25,000
That's all this is evaluating, and I think the numbers when we get into that are going to impact you guys as a county to make those decisions, just because of what's happening with the markets.

1746
02:26:27,340 --> 02:26:28,280
Any more questions?

1747
02:26:29,060 --> 02:26:29,940
Supervisor Brawl.

1748
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:31,460
Yeah.

1749
02:26:32,140 --> 02:26:36,980
I just have a question because none of the options that you presented have any outdoor space.

1750
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:40,040
And I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about why that is.

1751
02:26:40,260 --> 02:26:41,060
Outdoor space.

1752
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:45,780
Any outdoor space available for people who are incarcerated to spend any time outdoors?

1753
02:26:45,780 --> 02:26:52,800
It's not required by the DOC to give them outdoor wreck, so typically we have not been

1754
02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:59,860
including that in the designs. There are a whole host of issues that come with outdoor space

1755
02:26:59,860 --> 02:27:07,240
for inmates, especially in our drone world nowadays. There are a lot of things that complicate that.

1756
02:27:07,500 --> 02:27:11,900
Now, if it's something that you decide as a group to be able to make that decision,

1757
02:27:11,900 --> 02:27:23,900
That would have to be something that the sheriff would agree to, the DOC would agree to, but we have not been including those in recent bills just because of the issues associated with being able to secure that.

1758
02:27:24,580 --> 02:27:28,360
So you haven't had any projects where they've included any outdoor recreation spaces?

1759
02:27:28,440 --> 02:27:33,740
So here's what we've done. It may sound a little quirky, but we give them wreck space.

1760
02:27:33,740 --> 02:27:41,380
And the wreck space we make it two stories high. So in that housing unit where you said where we saw the office or station now

1761
02:27:41,380 --> 02:27:46,220
We've made it two stories high, so they're getting into this expanse. On the second level

1762
02:27:46,220 --> 02:27:52,460
We have actually put in a secure lever up there with a garage door. I know it sounds hokey

1763
02:27:52,460 --> 02:28:00,240
But here's what it does the garage door then is able to be lifted when the weather permits and they are able to get fresh air into that space and they're able to get daylight

1764
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:06,620
and it is a large space so that the people can get in there and deal with being able to move

1765
02:28:06,620 --> 02:28:13,720
about a bigger space to be able to take in the fresh air, but it is kind of a happy medium

1766
02:28:13,720 --> 02:28:18,240
between outdoor space and something that's still secure. We've done that on the last couple

1767
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:24,860
that we've designed and built. Is that what you were going to? I've done one just recently

1768
02:28:24,860 --> 02:28:31,140
for outdoor space. Again, like Kurt said, there's a lot of implications to that that enclosed.

1769
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:38,840
It's not in a public space, so downtown, if you did it here, would be more difficult because

1770
02:28:38,840 --> 02:28:45,140
you can't have sight and sound with public and anybody who's incarcerated. So there's

1771
02:28:45,140 --> 02:28:52,540
a lot of security issues with that, especially down here. But we have done one in the last 40 years.

1772
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:55,720
Thank you, I appreciate the information.

1773
02:28:57,040 --> 02:28:59,280
What we've got one more supervisor, Dean Will.

1774
02:29:00,580 --> 02:29:01,820
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1775
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:12,400
As far as the ad hoc and talking about trying to keep the campus stone down town, a couple

1776
02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:20,680
of the private sector folks that were on the ad hoc, they really want the very vision was to keep a

1777
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:28,720
on. Clearly, and after going through all of the meetings and discussion and questions, they

1778
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:35,720
both came to the conclusion that it just wasn't feasible to do that. Plus, I think Kurt

1779
02:29:35,720 --> 02:29:44,360
has brought up several times that if I can use the baseball analogy as far as a major lead

1780
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:51,700
this is just any number one. There's a long road ahead in there. Once if it's approved tonight

1781
02:29:51,700 --> 02:29:59,960
for this to go to the committee of jurisdiction, then they'll be doing a lot more work more depth into this.

1782
02:30:00,050 --> 02:30:11,970
So, I want everybody to take a deep breath and just relax and don't panic and think that this is going to be yet that we have to decide tonight, because that's not the case, is this going to take a little time, so thank you.

1783
02:30:12,690 --> 02:30:13,290
Thank you.

1784
02:30:13,610 --> 02:30:29,110
I'd like what I'd like to do is take this opportunity, because I think it was appropriate. I probably should have did it earlier, but because we're, this is where we're at. I want to read to the, to the county board and the public, what the recommendation was from the ad hoc committee,

1785
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:35,970
because it was in the minutes, but I get the impression that a lot of people had not read that.

1786
02:30:36,690 --> 02:30:41,630
So, just bear with me for a moment here, let's see.

1787
02:30:41,750 --> 02:30:48,330
The consensus of the committee was that there needs, we need to do something with a jail in general.

1788
02:30:49,170 --> 02:30:53,510
They felt like the jail and the justice center needed to stay together if possible.

1789
02:30:54,610 --> 02:31:00,690
And the Justice Center module was supported, but cost was a major factor.

1790
02:31:01,550 --> 02:31:05,610
So I think they acknowledged right away that this thing is, it's a big deal.

1791
02:31:06,790 --> 02:31:12,970
And then the final thing was that we needed to have a communication plan not only to the

1792
02:31:12,970 --> 02:31:14,470
county board, but to the committee.

1793
02:31:14,930 --> 02:31:18,930
Those were the four things that came out of the recommendation from them.

1794
02:31:19,710 --> 02:31:27,650
The next steps, there's a whole long list of next steps that we're presented here.

1795
02:31:28,030 --> 02:31:32,530
This, I believe there was seven or eight of them, we're only on step two.

1796
02:31:33,090 --> 02:31:36,510
And that's to present it to you guys what the ad hoc committee thought.

1797
02:31:37,010 --> 02:31:38,850
Nothing, none of this is final.

1798
02:31:39,730 --> 02:31:43,010
Committee of jurisdiction can go back and review things and say,

1799
02:31:43,370 --> 02:31:46,190
I know this is what the ad hoc committee said, but as a county board,

1800
02:31:46,830 --> 02:31:48,290
this is the way we feel.

1801
02:31:48,770 --> 02:31:52,050
So I don't want to give the impression, like Kurt said,

1802
02:31:52,330 --> 02:31:54,210
that this is the way it is.

1803
02:31:54,250 --> 02:31:55,310
This is the beginning.

1804
02:31:56,170 --> 02:31:59,190
And we're just reviewing what the ad hoc committee saw.

1805
02:31:59,690 --> 02:32:01,190
We're taking, they had seven meetings.

1806
02:32:01,950 --> 02:32:04,610
We're compiling all that into a two hour session here.

1807
02:32:05,290 --> 02:32:07,590
So there's going to be some soft skipped over.

1808
02:32:08,670 --> 02:32:11,330
And I apologize for that, but unless you want to sit

1809
02:32:11,330 --> 02:32:14,450
through a 14 hour meeting, I don't think it was practical.

1810
02:32:14,650 --> 02:32:15,390
They review everything.

1811
02:32:15,390 --> 02:32:17,830
So with that I'll leave it back to Curtin.

1812
02:32:19,070 --> 02:32:20,310
All right, so costs.

1813
02:32:21,170 --> 02:32:25,410
This slide is something that I think is very important.

1814
02:32:25,950 --> 02:32:27,870
It made that mean much to you.

1815
02:32:28,050 --> 02:32:31,250
And I see that it's represented in my little white arrows

1816
02:32:31,250 --> 02:32:32,970
aren't pointing to where I want on the point.

1817
02:32:33,230 --> 02:32:35,090
I want the white arrows to point to the blue line.

1818
02:32:36,490 --> 02:32:39,550
So what I did is I went back historically

1819
02:32:39,550 --> 02:32:41,490
on projects that we have completed

1820
02:32:41,490 --> 02:32:47,510
that our correctional construction projects means that there's a jail, there's a court

1821
02:32:47,510 --> 02:32:51,250
component, there's a correctional component to each one of these over the course

1822
02:32:51,250 --> 02:32:58,090
of the last 15 years. And this shows you a cost per square foot because if you ever want

1823
02:32:58,090 --> 02:33:02,250
to just take a time and Google and say how much did I pay for my house per square foot,

1824
02:33:02,410 --> 02:33:07,410
how much did I pay for a jail, there's going to be varying levels of what those numbers

1825
02:33:07,410 --> 02:33:14,270
are. This represents projects that were actually hard-bid. And I want to stress that to you.

1826
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:20,970
But I'm giving you numbers tonight. These are estimates and projections based on conceptual

1827
02:33:20,970 --> 02:33:27,550
data in a history that we can then tie to that. But we get done with this. Everything on this

1828
02:33:27,550 --> 02:33:32,310
project, bricks and mortar will be hard-bid. It has to be hard-bid because we're dealing with

1829
02:33:32,310 --> 02:33:37,510
dollars. So you will have a concrete number, but these are projections. What you can see from

1830
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:46,770
2009, the cost per square foot was $193 dollars a square foot. If you see from 2009 until

1831
02:33:47,950 --> 02:33:55,390
2021, it was relatively consistent with its increases. To the point of about a six and a quarter

1832
02:33:55,390 --> 02:34:04,070
percent increase per year. What happened to our world from 21 to 24 was that 31% bump.

1833
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:12,290
And I can very candidly tell you, I took bumps and bruises on that on projects that I

1834
02:34:12,290 --> 02:34:17,470
helped put budgets together because you used historical data. What happened with our COVID

1835
02:34:17,470 --> 02:34:24,950
market absolutely rocked our world. And right now in 2024, the cost per square foot for the

1836
02:34:24,950 --> 02:34:33,230
bid that we had were $875 a square foot. When I show you what we're forecasting on your

1837
02:34:33,230 --> 02:34:38,910
square foot cost on these master plans, I'm using a thousand dollars a square foot. You can

1838
02:34:38,910 --> 02:34:43,150
tell me I'm crazy. Go ahead and tell me I'm crazy. And I can tell you I'm doing

1839
02:34:43,150 --> 02:34:50,190
a favor by giving you what that projection would be. And my concern is that the way

1840
02:34:50,190 --> 02:34:57,230
So markets continue to grow and how long you guys decide, take to decide, can drive that.

1841
02:34:57,970 --> 02:35:02,470
So I just want to point out to you, we bid Wood County in 2022.

1842
02:35:03,670 --> 02:35:08,070
500 and what is it, E4, around 600 bucks a square foot, right?

1843
02:35:08,910 --> 02:35:12,850
They did a 300-bed jail in Wood County for 98 million dollars.

1844
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:19,720
I'm going to show you a 450-bed jail today and you're going to tell me I'm crazy, it's

1845
02:35:19,720 --> 02:35:21,120
because markets drive it.

1846
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:23,760
It's not because we're putting any fluff in there.

1847
02:35:24,020 --> 02:35:29,060
It's because that's what the bid markets are for material and laborers and how it's increased.

1848
02:35:29,780 --> 02:35:31,880
Here's the message that should come out of that.

1849
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:37,920
If you decide that you need to build a jail, the sooner you build it, the better your solution.

1850
02:35:38,520 --> 02:35:42,720
Because you are shortening up that amount of time for the cost to go up.

1851
02:35:43,720 --> 02:35:46,360
If you don't think you need a jail, then take whatever time you need.

1852
02:35:46,860 --> 02:35:49,920
But if it's clear to you that you need to build a jail,

1853
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:58,920
So that is a decision that needs to be made sooner than later so that you can eliminate or shorten that amount of time for that price to go up.

1854
02:36:00,060 --> 02:36:05,180
This next component here is a chart that I got from Beard.

1855
02:36:05,340 --> 02:36:15,160
I've worked with Beard on a couple of projects as their bond council and they will assist with some of those borrowings.

1856
02:36:15,160 --> 02:36:22,000
This was just a chart that he used on one of my, one of the other counties that I was dealing with and I told him I said hey, I really like that chart.

1857
02:36:22,180 --> 02:36:28,260
Can I steal it from you? He said actually, I'll actually help you put a chart together and what this was back when I presented this to the committee.

1858
02:36:28,820 --> 02:36:34,440
You can see that the general obligation bonds, because that's what you're going to ask yourself, is how much are we going to borrow for?

1859
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:42,580
And at the time when I showed this to the committee, it was either in November or December, it was that right hand number, that 4.01%.

1860
02:36:42,580 --> 02:36:55,680
So if you do the quick math, every year that you wait if we're in the, if we're in the, the common time of the slide before it's going to cost you 6.25% if you wait a year for the price to go up.

1861
02:36:55,920 --> 02:37:05,480
If you would have borrowed, it was going to cost you 4% so you've just saved yourself 2.25% because you decided to build because you're going to borrow for.

1862
02:37:06,220 --> 02:37:13,640
And this chart also shows you that the parameters that are in there and the end is when it was in 2024.

1863
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:17,120
You'll see the big dip that was down in 2021, 2022.

1864
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:21,520
I had some counties that I worked with. They borrowed for less than 2%.

1865
02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:25,760
That's not the norm. As you see the norm that's in there, you kind of give you that median line.

1866
02:37:26,180 --> 02:37:29,660
That median line as you go across there was just above 4%.

1867
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:36,340
If you use this 4% factor as your average, it's going to be a pretty good calculation of what

1868
02:37:36,340 --> 02:37:44,860
you're borrowing may be. So, here's the number that is typically a very important number

1869
02:37:44,860 --> 02:37:53,240
for constituents and for county board members, is that I broke this down into $100 million segments. So,

1870
02:37:53,240 --> 02:37:59,980
If you borrowed $100 million to do a project, it's going to cost you 41 cents per thousand

1871
02:37:59,980 --> 02:38:01,860
on your property evaluation.

1872
02:38:03,060 --> 02:38:09,180
So if your property is assessed for $100,000, your taxes will go up $41.

1873
02:38:10,760 --> 02:38:17,000
If your property is assessed for $200,000, your taxes will go up $82.

1874
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:18,300
Okay?

1875
02:38:18,820 --> 02:38:20,620
That's if you borrow $100 million.

1876
02:38:20,620 --> 02:38:33,320
If you borrow $200 million, the $100,000 evaluation is going to pay $82 in taxes, your $200,000

1877
02:38:33,320 --> 02:38:38,360
of valuation will pay $164 in a tax increase.

1878
02:38:38,820 --> 02:38:40,000
And it goes up from there.

1879
02:38:40,500 --> 02:38:42,440
So you can do the calculations in there.

1880
02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:46,480
I've keep in these in segments that you can then easily do the math to say,

1881
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:52,120
Okay, here's a range of what we think our constituents would be able to deal with.

1882
02:38:53,640 --> 02:38:57,640
So, this next chart is the one that I handed out to you, and we're going to spend some

1883
02:38:57,640 --> 02:39:01,260
time on this, I apologize, I know I'm running longer than I should have.

1884
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:09,920
Each one of these columns represents the options or some of the options that we talked about.

1885
02:39:10,260 --> 02:39:12,100
We didn't put a number to all of them.

1886
02:39:12,100 --> 02:39:26,320
We did the one that was across the street where we were going to do the jail edition for a 450-bed jail and then we were going to do the needed renovation because it was renovation in order for us to get that corridor over to the courts.

1887
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:33,840
So in that first option or this first column, you'll see that, and these are all the same across, it's for a 450-bed jail.

1888
02:39:33,840 --> 02:39:40,800
So, this one here shows that we're going to keep the juvenile center where we've got it,

1889
02:39:41,060 --> 02:39:41,980
26 beds.

1890
02:39:43,900 --> 02:39:48,220
The gross programming square footage, that's where I showed you that it was the square

1891
02:39:48,220 --> 02:39:51,360
footage before of a grossing factor.

1892
02:39:51,540 --> 02:39:56,340
Typically, when you get into the next level of design, you'll see about a 5% decrease when

1893
02:39:56,340 --> 02:40:00,480
you get into the schematic design because now you have a floor plan, you can skinning up some

1894
02:40:00,480 --> 02:40:01,620
of those allowances.

1895
02:40:01,620 --> 02:40:09,280
So we're anticipating that that would get down to 267,385 square feet if we do 1,000 bucks

1896
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:17,480
of square foot, that's going to be a $267 million project, for a $100,000 evaluation.

1897
02:40:18,480 --> 02:40:21,060
Their taxes would go up $110.

1898
02:40:24,900 --> 02:40:25,560
Clearers mud.

1899
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:31,520
Now you can go across the way here, let's just stay in that upper bracket there.

1900
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:41,080
So if we did a new law enforcement center at the new site and we renovate the court holding or I showed you we were going to put the holding cells down on the lower level and the elevator on the outside

1901
02:40:41,080 --> 02:40:51,960
That numbers 262,000 dollars or 262 million dollars. I wish it was 262,000 two hundred and sixty two million dollars and it would be a dollar eight

1902
02:40:53,460 --> 02:40:55,480
For 100,000

1903
02:40:55,480 --> 02:40:59,700
The next one is would be a new law enforcement center and a juvenile detention

1904
02:40:59,700 --> 02:41:06,920
So in that first option here we got out of the juvenile detention option, we're not doing juvenile detention anymore.

1905
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:14,200
The third option we're staying in the juvenile business and we're going to build a new juvenile detention center out there of 30 beds.

1906
02:41:14,380 --> 02:41:23,920
So we'd have a 450 bed jail, 30 bed juvenile detention center, our square footage after schematic would be 285,000.

1907
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:33,060
It would be a $285 million project that would cost a $17 for $100,000 or $117 for $100,000

1908
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:34,320
valuation.

1909
02:41:36,220 --> 02:41:42,020
If we did the New Justice Center on the new site without the juvenile detention, so we just

1910
02:41:42,020 --> 02:41:43,480
did a doubt out there.

1911
02:41:43,720 --> 02:41:49,700
Without the juvenile detention, that would be a $370 million job at a buck 52.

1912
02:41:49,700 --> 02:42:01,520
And if we did everything out there, meaning the 450-bed jail through 30-bed juvenile and all of the courts and the court's suite, it's a $392 million dollar project.

1913
02:42:02,540 --> 02:42:08,740
Now, if you look between the two red lines here below, it shows you the juvenile expense.

1914
02:42:08,900 --> 02:42:13,860
Remember when I told you that you guys have four to six juveniles?

1915
02:42:13,880 --> 02:42:18,680
I think I did this. It's six beds. I did this based on six beds at 250 bucks a day.

1916
02:42:19,700 --> 02:42:23,440
In the first option, you're staying in the juvenile business so you're housing your own people,

1917
02:42:23,700 --> 02:42:26,180
so it doesn't cost you anything on your operating budget.

1918
02:42:27,300 --> 02:42:31,840
In the second option, when you get out of the juvenile business, it's going to cost you 547,

1919
02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:36,440
thousand five hundred dollars if you have six juveniles at 250 bucks a day.

1920
02:42:38,060 --> 02:42:39,520
And that's for each of those options.

1921
02:42:40,460 --> 02:42:44,840
Now, if you look at 20 years, so let's say that you stay at six juveniles over 20 years,

1922
02:42:45,100 --> 02:42:47,580
that's what your outer county expense would be for 20 years.

1923
02:42:47,580 --> 02:42:54,580
It's just a calculation for 20 is almost 11 million and your 50 year is almost 20 is over 27 million.

1924
02:42:56,060 --> 02:42:58,940
Between the next two red lines is your transport cost.

1925
02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:05,900
So if you look at the first one obviously we don't have to deal with moving inmates from one site to the other.

1926
02:43:05,980 --> 02:43:10,280
We're staying on site so no change in line two and three.

1927
02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:15,360
This was at one point one million dollar transport cost that I showed you for staff and vehicles.

1928
02:43:15,940 --> 02:43:22,060
over 10 years or 20 years, you'd spend $28 million and over 50 years, you'd spend $121 million

1929
02:43:22,060 --> 02:43:23,320
in transport.

1930
02:43:27,060 --> 02:43:32,280
The design construction duration, you can show the time that's to design it and build

1931
02:43:32,860 --> 02:43:38,860
it. That's how long it would take before you're actually moving in. The annual housing revenue,

1932
02:43:39,640 --> 02:43:46,500
so this was the model that Kat had just asked about. So what I did is if you build the 450

1933
02:43:46,500 --> 02:43:51,540
bed jail day one, you're not overbuilding, you're doing it based on what your projection would be.

1934
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:56,620
But you would have 30 beds available day one and that's probably conservative. You might have

1935
02:43:57,140 --> 02:44:02,580
50 but you got to keep your variable in there for maintenance. You would potentially have revenue of

1936
02:44:03,300 --> 02:44:10,980
$657,000 if we did it at 60 bucks a day of out of county adult housing. And you can see across each one of

1937
02:44:10,980 --> 02:44:17,420
of what that out housing would be if you went to 450 and then the 20 year and 50 year would be your revenue.

1938
02:44:18,520 --> 02:44:25,800
So you would get revenue, but if your population continues to increase and the 30 beds goes down, you're revenue goes down.

1939
02:44:26,300 --> 02:44:27,680
Because you don't have the beds to rent anymore.

1940
02:44:29,740 --> 02:44:33,360
And then the juvenile housing, this one was at 10 beds.

1941
02:44:33,880 --> 02:44:38,420
So right now I think you're housing about six juveniles from out of county.

1942
02:44:40,300 --> 02:44:45,260
If we did a 30-bed jail, a 30-bed juvenile, you'd have about 10, so we're doing a projection

1943
02:44:45,260 --> 02:44:50,440
there at 250 bucks a day, so where you have the 30-bed juvenile on those two options,

1944
02:44:50,580 --> 02:44:55,660
you would have a new of $912,000 a year, and then you could see the projection for the

1945
02:44:55,660 --> 02:44:57,000
20 and 50 year.

1946
02:44:58,040 --> 02:44:59,980
The bottom line was showing.

1947
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,180
I think if you added another 150-bed housing, because we talked about that we were at 554, we're

1948
02:45:05,180 --> 02:45:10,880
going to build 450, so the question is, on that model if we added another 150-bed pod, how much

1949
02:45:10,880 --> 02:45:13,460
of that cost, and it would be $45 million.

1950
02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:17,800
So is that enough to let your head swim?

1951
02:45:22,650 --> 02:45:22,930
That's

1952
02:45:22,930 --> 02:45:27,970
a lot of numbers. Yeah, and I got to tell you, none of them are real attractive, right?

1953
02:45:27,970 --> 02:45:36,110
it's expensive. And the reality is is that the cost of that type of construction isn't going

1954
02:45:36,110 --> 02:45:40,470
to go down. History tells me that it's not going to go down. I showed you a graph that showed

1955
02:45:40,470 --> 02:45:47,810
you that. It may stabilize, which I'm hoping it does. But there's no indication that it's going

1956
02:45:47,810 --> 02:45:54,730
to come back to what it was in prior years. So, with any questions on any of that.

1957
02:45:54,730 --> 02:45:57,650
Yep, the Q's blowing up here. So, oh, great.

1958
02:45:59,650 --> 02:46:00,850
Survisor Hayes.

1959
02:46:01,230 --> 02:46:03,970
Okay, my first question is on the building of a pod.

1960
02:46:04,210 --> 02:46:09,490
You said on here that an additional 150-bed housing pod is $45 million.

1961
02:46:11,210 --> 02:46:11,390
Right?

1962
02:46:12,130 --> 02:46:16,990
Brown County approved building an additional pod for their jail

1963
02:46:16,990 --> 02:46:20,730
in with their budget at the end of last year and it's $17 million.

1964
02:46:21,450 --> 02:46:29,870
Dane County is putting up a jail, I think they started in the fall of 2024, 865 beds for

1965
02:46:29,870 --> 02:46:34,550
200 million. There seems to be some big discrepancy here on these numbers.

1966
02:46:35,090 --> 02:46:42,110
Great question. So when I showed you the model in regards to the configuration of the classifications,

1967
02:46:42,670 --> 02:46:47,150
We're talking about not having large dorm spaces.

1968
02:46:47,690 --> 02:46:51,830
I'm going to tell you about the dorm spaces that are very cost-effective to build.

1969
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:53,230
We're going to build a big box.

1970
02:46:53,390 --> 02:46:59,210
We're going to put some bumps in there, some mattresses, and give them a toilet or two.

1971
02:46:59,490 --> 02:47:03,770
You have to understand that each one of those designs differ in regards to what they do

1972
02:47:03,770 --> 02:47:06,010
with the management of that population.

1973
02:47:06,010 --> 02:47:13,110
Well, we have forecasted right here would be dealing with the classification that's relative

1974
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:16,010
to those elements that are tied into those pieces.

1975
02:47:16,870 --> 02:47:21,470
The other pieces that are in here is if you break those housing units down, some of those

1976
02:47:21,470 --> 02:47:25,810
infrastructures that are there, they're actually adding on to the spaces that they have and

1977
02:47:25,810 --> 02:47:30,810
we don't know from what those utility components or what those additional areas or spaces

1978
02:47:30,810 --> 02:47:32,410
that they may be reusing are.

1979
02:47:32,410 --> 02:47:35,530
So there's a lot of that that you need to break down into the programming.

1980
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:39,730
We're using a model right here that would be consistent with what was built in Wood County,

1981
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:43,210
so that it maximizes your flexibility for classification.

1982
02:47:47,130 --> 02:47:48,410
Does that answer your question?

1983
02:47:49,110 --> 02:47:51,810
Not really, but we can move on.

1984
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:54,570
Here's the other thing I want to tell you.

1985
02:47:54,570 --> 02:47:59,170
Here's the other thing that I want to tell you, and I'm stressing this to you right now.

1986
02:47:59,490 --> 02:48:03,110
I just shared with you what those budgets are and where they came in.

1987
02:48:03,110 --> 02:48:07,010
and we're giving you a projection of a thousand dollars a square foot.

1988
02:48:07,370 --> 02:48:10,950
Right? So, there's a lot that's in a conceptual budget, right?

1989
02:48:10,990 --> 02:48:12,970
You're dealing with things that have been hard-bid.

1990
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:15,390
So, there's a lot that goes into that.

1991
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:22,320
Yes, I am optimistic they will,

1992
02:48:22,800 --> 02:48:25,220
but I can't give you that guarantee today.

1993
02:48:28,320 --> 02:48:29,420
Okay, Supervisor Donberg.

1994
02:48:30,960 --> 02:48:35,240
When you talked about revenue from other areas,

1995
02:48:35,240 --> 02:48:41,640
areas. Was that rate based on what another county would pay us or on what the state was

1996
02:48:41,640 --> 02:48:46,580
sponsored would pay us because I think those rates are different? Yeah, I use 60 bucks because

1997
02:48:46,580 --> 02:48:51,180
it's kind of between what the state would pay and what other counties would pay. Other counties

1998
02:48:51,180 --> 02:48:56,540
I've seen are below 60 and I think the state right now is almost 62 bucks a day. All right with that.

1999
02:48:56,820 --> 02:49:02,120
Yeah, so I use 60 bucks a day. Juveniles all over the map. I've seen some of those that are 500

2000
02:49:02,120 --> 02:49:04,780
bucks a day. I use 250 to be conservative.

2001
02:49:05,220 --> 02:49:07,520
Thank you.

2002
02:49:07,540 --> 02:49:07,580
Thank you.

2003
02:49:07,580 --> 02:49:07,640
Thank you.

2004
02:49:07,700 --> 02:49:08,200
So, raise a bro?

2005
02:49:09,160 --> 02:49:10,100
Yeah, just one question.

2006
02:49:10,480 --> 02:49:14,820
With the estimated project costs and the mill rate impacts, does that include the interest

2007
02:49:14,820 --> 02:49:17,560
that we would have to pay on any borrowing that we would do for these projects?

2008
02:49:17,860 --> 02:49:18,200
Or the project?

2009
02:49:18,840 --> 02:49:21,560
That's factored into the mill rate.

2010
02:49:21,700 --> 02:49:24,380
So, you're not going to pay additional taxes on top of that.

2011
02:49:24,600 --> 02:49:28,520
But the borrowing obviously, I don't have that calculation in front of me, but if you borrow

2012
02:49:28,520 --> 02:49:32,400
$100 million, you're going to pay more than $100 million to pay a back.

2013
02:49:32,400 --> 02:49:37,140
But it's already factored into what your mill rate would be so you're not going to see that plus another one

2014
02:49:37,140 --> 02:49:40,960
And it and it's a one-time shot right, so you're going to see that increase

2015
02:49:40,960 --> 02:49:50,760
It's not going to be increasing every year now what happens with these is that you're going to borrow for this project at some point in time

2016
02:49:50,760 --> 02:50:02,380
So what happens when we get close to starting a project will work with your bond council will do a

2017
02:50:02,380 --> 02:50:04,640
And we're going to start in March of 2026.

2018
02:50:05,180 --> 02:50:07,800
They would ask, how much money are we going to spend in 2026?

2019
02:50:07,880 --> 02:50:11,080
Because then they need to decide, are they going to borrow all of that?

2020
02:50:11,260 --> 02:50:13,780
Or how much are they going to borrow in 26, 27, 28?

2021
02:50:14,260 --> 02:50:16,340
Typically, it's two or three year borrowing.

2022
02:50:17,020 --> 02:50:20,060
You got to do with arbitrage, because I've had some counties recently

2023
02:50:20,060 --> 02:50:22,040
that have made good interest gains,

2024
02:50:22,060 --> 02:50:24,960
because they can reinvest the dollars while they borrowed it.

2025
02:50:25,140 --> 02:50:26,220
It's probably more than you want to hear.

2026
02:50:26,600 --> 02:50:30,080
But all of that is factored into getting these numbers tighter.

2027
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:37,880
Again, these are conceptual numbers, these are kind of, I don't want to say worst case scenario, but they're given you guys some numbers to be realistic with.

2028
02:50:39,380 --> 02:50:40,420
Thank you.

2029
02:50:40,760 --> 02:50:41,820
Supervisor Rickard.

2030
02:50:43,160 --> 02:50:54,040
Yes, if we move everything out by the county garage, including the court system, child support, what are we going to do with a floor and a half of this building standing empty?

2031
02:50:55,640 --> 02:50:58,680
And we as a committee, we didn't have a great answer for that.

2032
02:51:00,220 --> 02:51:05,180
And that was part of that was part of the dialogue is that there's not a great answer for that.

2033
02:51:08,870 --> 02:51:10,090
Okay, Supervisor Dean Will.

2034
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:12,450
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2035
02:51:12,730 --> 02:51:19,430
Just for the fellow supervisors, when you look at the jail option comparisons,

2036
02:51:20,230 --> 02:51:28,430
I would just have you look at option two, three and four that you have to figure in the expenses

2037
02:51:28,430 --> 02:51:31,770
for the Out of County Juvenile and like the annual transport

2038
02:51:31,770 --> 02:51:44,050
funds. I did it at a 50 year cost and two three and four actually increased

2039
02:51:44,050 --> 02:51:51,170
higher than option five. And option one yes it is considerably lower

2040
02:51:51,170 --> 02:51:56,610
than all of the options but as it is noted that there is no room for

2041
02:51:56,610 --> 02:52:04,470
expansion. So you're basically putting a lipstick on a pig and you're making yourself feel good

2042
02:52:04,470 --> 02:52:09,090
and thinking that we're doing something good. So I just want to have everybody just think about

2043
02:52:09,090 --> 02:52:14,570
what we've done in the past and those mistakes that have been made that we don't do in the future.

2044
02:52:16,190 --> 02:52:25,150
And one other slide that I think should awaken everybody is that slide 61 when it talks about the

2045
02:52:25,150 --> 02:52:29,970
markets that we can debate this over and over for years.

2046
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:43,640
Years, but it's obviously not going to get any cheaper that that trend from 2009-193-2024-875. When we talked

2047
02:52:43,640 --> 02:52:49,340
about this with the committee, that there's a quite a few of them that said, if there is one slide in your

2048
02:52:49,340 --> 02:52:55,960
whole presentation that really stands out, it would be this slide. Thank you. I appreciate all of your

2049
02:52:55,960 --> 02:53:03,780
work so far. You've been always great as far as answering questions, and I think that they

2050
02:53:03,780 --> 02:53:07,940
had a committee. I'll give them a lot of credit too, because there was a lot of questions,

2051
02:53:08,200 --> 02:53:14,220
there was a lot of, you could see a lot of stress with the membership, and there's obviously

2052
02:53:14,220 --> 02:53:17,320
a lot of work to be done yet. So thank you very much.

2053
02:53:18,560 --> 02:53:19,860
Okay, thank you. Supervisor Darnbroke.

2054
02:53:20,440 --> 02:53:27,020
Yeah, just real quick with Dean mentioned that side, when was the last time we expanded?

2055
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:27,860
Was that 2011?

2056
02:53:29,700 --> 02:53:30,800
2006, I believe.

2057
02:53:32,380 --> 02:53:36,700
Well, you go back there and you look, you know, at that time, I think our sheriff wanted to build

2058
02:53:36,700 --> 02:53:39,920
off-site then and his, he was shot down.

2059
02:53:40,060 --> 02:53:46,200
I mean, that would have made a huge difference in tooth, I mean, you're talking 150 square

2060
02:53:46,200 --> 02:53:51,700
feet as far back as you go on this slide. And now we're up to 875. So when we make our

2061
02:53:51,700 --> 02:53:57,600
decision to down the road, we have to think of boards 20 and 30 years from now, because

2062
02:53:57,600 --> 02:54:05,680
that did not happen in that last addition. And now we're here at 875 square feet.

2063
02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:17,660
or square feet. That's my last one. Okay, it's the Q is empty. Are there any other questions for

2064
02:54:19,020 --> 02:54:26,820
gentlemen? I am going to ask, oh I got one more here. Sorry. I thought I was done with that.

2065
02:54:26,860 --> 02:54:33,200
I jumped over this. So this was a question. This was a question that was raised in

2066
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:36,820
I'm going to walk over here so I guess I can, I get to speak here.

2067
02:54:37,060 --> 02:54:42,800
The question of, the Justice Center cost us $392 million up on the top and the law

2068
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:45,080
fort, this is all out of the highway shop, right?

2069
02:54:46,540 --> 02:54:52,180
If we just did the law enforcement center, the question was asked, if we delay it, what's

2070
02:54:52,180 --> 02:54:53,660
the impact to that cost?

2071
02:54:54,480 --> 02:55:00,000
So what this chart represents is that the top two lines, the second one is subtracted from

2072
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:07,000
first one, which gets us to a deferral cost of $107 million at an inflation rate of 6.25.

2073
02:55:08,020 --> 02:55:14,460
So you'll see how that number continues to increase. But on top of that, you have to add the

2074
02:55:14,460 --> 02:55:21,060
transport cost over those two durations. So not only are you waiting to build it and the cost of building

2075
02:55:21,060 --> 02:55:27,720
it is going to go up, but you're paying for transport for 10 and 20 years. So if you look at each

2076
02:55:27,720 --> 02:55:37,020
One of them, your 10 year impact, if you delayed, would be $101 million and your 20 year,

2077
02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:38,660
would be $282 million.

2078
02:55:40,320 --> 02:55:45,800
So just something to think about, in regards to deferral cost and waiting from one option

2079
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:46,420
to the next.

2080
02:55:47,920 --> 02:55:52,820
All right, can you pull up that website while I hand these out?

2081
02:56:50,360 --> 02:56:54,440
All right, so you heard Steve say that one of the things that the ad hoc committee thought

2082
02:56:54,440 --> 02:56:57,320
would be a good thing, would be a communications plan.

2083
02:56:58,100 --> 02:57:00,760
And what I just handed out to you is a letter

2084
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:03,900
that we've used with one of our recent counties.

2085
02:57:03,980 --> 02:57:05,340
We've done this multiple times.

2086
02:57:05,460 --> 02:57:08,280
I just gave you one of the latest ones for Rust County.

2087
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:12,340
So the R word always comes up, referendum.

2088
02:57:13,240 --> 02:57:15,960
When we talk to county boards about these projects

2089
02:57:15,960 --> 02:57:18,300
is we got to take this out to referendum.

2090
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:21,440
The fact of the matter is, is that there are parameters.

2091
02:57:22,020 --> 02:57:24,200
And I don't know what your top number is yet,

2092
02:57:24,200 --> 02:57:31,620
But if you stay below a certain limit, you guys have been authorized to make these decisions

2093
02:57:31,620 --> 02:57:32,520
without a referendum.

2094
02:57:33,540 --> 02:57:36,180
In the state of Wisconsin, that doesn't happen in every state.

2095
02:57:36,760 --> 02:57:39,620
We work throughout the Midwest and we've gotten certain states where we have to go to

2096
02:57:39,620 --> 02:57:39,920
referendum.

2097
02:57:41,300 --> 02:57:45,260
So all the counties that I've worked with in the state of Wisconsin, and some of them have

2098
02:57:45,260 --> 02:57:52,560
been very large projects, and none of them have went to referendum because here is the item

2099
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:57,820
that you have to consider, think about all the information that was just dumped on your

2100
02:57:57,820 --> 02:58:05,500
lap tonight and you're asked to go to a poll and vote and say, I want to approve

2101
02:58:06,180 --> 02:58:11,280
abarrowing to build a new jail for $200 million or I don't want to approve it.

2102
02:58:13,110 --> 02:58:17,710
How do you make sure that your taxpayers are informed to be able to accomplish that?

2103
02:58:18,330 --> 02:58:22,750
Because you guys probably got data here today that you didn't have before you got here,

2104
02:58:22,750 --> 02:58:31,090
You're probably going to ask questions, as we continue to work on this multiple times, and you're going to be more informed,

2105
02:58:31,850 --> 02:58:39,930
and the model in which Wisconsin operates their government is that you guys have been elected to make difficult decisions, including spending money.

2106
02:58:40,750 --> 02:58:50,890
And the intent is that we engage interaction between you and your constituents of your district to be able to come back and represent that district for what they feel is in the best interest of the county.

2107
02:58:50,890 --> 02:58:53,150
not your own personal opinion.

2108
02:58:54,130 --> 02:58:57,470
It is the opinion of your constituents, okay?

2109
02:58:58,330 --> 02:59:02,570
So with that said, we have created this approach

2110
02:59:02,570 --> 02:59:04,130
to a communications plan.

2111
02:59:04,770 --> 02:59:06,930
And what it boils down to is,

2112
02:59:06,990 --> 02:59:08,490
we are going to inform the community

2113
02:59:08,490 --> 02:59:10,710
about what you're dealing with.

2114
02:59:10,990 --> 02:59:12,730
A letter that I just handed to you,

2115
02:59:12,890 --> 02:59:14,550
you can read it later on.

2116
02:59:14,750 --> 02:59:16,510
It essentially says this.

2117
02:59:17,030 --> 02:59:19,310
Finalize County Residence, we want your input.

2118
02:59:19,310 --> 02:59:23,370
We are dealing with this decision that lays before us.

2119
02:59:23,750 --> 02:59:26,110
We are going to spend millions of your dollars.

2120
02:59:26,770 --> 02:59:30,310
We would like to get you all the information that we have at your fingertips.

2121
02:59:31,010 --> 02:59:35,610
And we would like to invite you to a few town hall meetings so that you can have your voices heard.

2122
02:59:36,890 --> 02:59:41,310
And by the way, we've created a website for you so that you can view it at any time you want.

2123
02:59:43,550 --> 02:59:49,230
That communication plan is essentially a way for you to get that connection between you and your constituents,

2124
02:59:49,230 --> 02:59:57,130
So that you can then make an informed decision based on what your district wants you to vote for.

2125
02:59:58,090 --> 02:59:59,970
So this letter, picture that it is.

2126
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:12,300
It's got your county's name on it. We would put information in there specific to your county about population, about classifications, age of the building, existing conditions, all of these elements would be in here.

2127
03:00:12,600 --> 03:00:16,660
This letter essentially drives them to a website that's going to have a lot more data.

2128
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:21,020
And then we're going to have town hall meetings with them so that we can answer their questions.

2129
03:00:21,020 --> 03:00:30,780
So, this website that we create, we would create one for you, it shows the home page, initially

2130
03:00:30,780 --> 03:00:35,260
if you start there at least, so the home page is just a summary, but it would be obviously

2131
03:00:35,260 --> 03:00:40,540
your information with a description about what the home, what the page is about, where

2132
03:00:40,540 --> 03:00:44,600
the next tab is the need, and this is where a lot of the traffic goes.

2133
03:00:45,060 --> 03:00:49,540
You'll see that there's tabs in here where you can click on existing conditions, and it

2134
03:00:49,540 --> 03:00:55,760
you can take into these photos, these photos come up and as you click to the right on that tab,

2135
03:00:55,760 --> 03:01:01,680
it would have a photo and an issue that's dealing with each one of those situations, similar

2136
03:01:01,680 --> 03:01:05,800
to what we did here. And we would dump all the photos that would be in there so that they

2137
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:11,760
understand the situations that's going on. We would then show the risk and the safety that's

2138
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:17,240
tied to that, that the county liability. I mean, there's multiple data that's plugged in there.

2139
03:01:17,240 --> 03:01:23,900
Okay, and then the solution component is where we put in a video.

2140
03:01:24,500 --> 03:01:27,140
And this video essentially takes your campus.

2141
03:01:27,220 --> 03:01:33,040
If you decided to do something down here, it would be a video that would show what the structure would look like

2142
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:35,020
if you decided to build it down here.

2143
03:01:35,020 --> 03:01:39,160
If you're going to decide to do it out the highway shop, it would show you what that would look like.

2144
03:01:39,180 --> 03:01:40,780
And it is conceptual in nature.

2145
03:01:41,320 --> 03:01:44,320
It's going to show you the existing building and it's going to show the addition.

2146
03:01:44,320 --> 03:01:47,400
They're going to be able to then register with them.

2147
03:01:47,540 --> 03:01:48,360
What are we talking about?

2148
03:01:48,540 --> 03:01:50,180
That's going to cost us millions of dollars.

2149
03:01:52,060 --> 03:01:56,800
This video, along with the need tab, are the ones that get the most traffic.

2150
03:01:57,680 --> 03:01:59,760
We track the analytics of these websites.

2151
03:02:00,380 --> 03:02:04,180
These ones get the most traffic behind tax impact.

2152
03:02:05,360 --> 03:02:07,640
The next tab is tax impact.

2153
03:02:07,880 --> 03:02:11,480
This tax impact is essentially what I just showed you.

2154
03:02:11,480 --> 03:02:18,500
It's going to show you in a breakdown of if my home is assessed for $100,200,000,000,

2155
03:02:18,500 --> 03:02:21,080
you're going to show them what that tax impact would be.

2156
03:02:21,140 --> 03:02:22,880
It's out there for them to see.

2157
03:02:23,600 --> 03:02:28,780
The informational meeting tab that gives them the date and the location as to where your

2158
03:02:28,780 --> 03:02:30,800
community town hall meetings would be.

2159
03:02:31,380 --> 03:02:35,700
The way we handle those community town hall meetings, we would give a presentation much similar

2160
03:02:35,700 --> 03:02:36,340
to this.

2161
03:02:36,600 --> 03:02:40,620
We probably condensed some of these areas, but we would do something very similar to this

2162
03:02:40,620 --> 03:02:46,620
with existing conditions and the options that we're considered and then we would open it up.

2163
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:52,480
I try to have that presentation 45 minutes to an hour and then we let them fire away questions at us.

2164
03:02:52,760 --> 03:02:57,480
And we take whatever questions and we catalog all them and we put those questions on the website.

2165
03:02:58,140 --> 03:03:00,320
So those frequently asked questions that are there.

2166
03:03:00,660 --> 03:03:02,060
You'll see a frequently asked question.

2167
03:03:02,180 --> 03:03:05,920
People can then go in there and say, hey, I have this question of somebody else has already asked it.

2168
03:03:06,040 --> 03:03:08,160
There's an answer that's already tied into that.

2169
03:03:09,420 --> 03:03:22,320
Testimonials. This is where we would have the sheriff. I have had sometimes county board representatives say hey I'm putting my stamp of approval on this. We need to build a jail. Here's why that's where the testimonials would be there.

2170
03:03:22,740 --> 03:03:34,920
And then the contact page is an option for people to reach out and ask a question if they don't have the courage to ask it in a public meeting. They can type in this website and say hey I have this question.

2171
03:03:34,920 --> 03:03:39,640
That is managed by my staff, those questions all come through me.

2172
03:03:39,640 --> 03:03:45,840
I will distribute them to either to the design team or to the county board and county administration.

2173
03:03:46,380 --> 03:03:52,380
If there's questions relative to the county board or to the county administration, and we get them out to the people.

2174
03:03:53,000 --> 03:03:55,820
We do our best to get back to them within one business day.

2175
03:03:56,420 --> 03:03:59,980
If there's multiple people that have to respond, we'll know, hey, we're working on the responses.

2176
03:04:00,480 --> 03:04:04,460
But we like to be prompt with it, so people don't feel as though their question just went into an abyss.

2177
03:04:04,460 --> 03:04:05,820
and it didn't get an answer.

2178
03:04:06,740 --> 03:04:11,720
So, that is the communication plan that we typically see.

2179
03:04:11,800 --> 03:04:16,160
In order to get to that point, there is a next level of design,

2180
03:04:16,260 --> 03:04:19,560
and that's why when we talked about this going to one of your standing committees,

2181
03:04:20,300 --> 03:04:23,260
you would then take this project and say, hey, we understand,

2182
03:04:23,360 --> 03:04:27,240
we've got to do something with the jail, we want the standing committee to figure out

2183
03:04:27,240 --> 03:04:31,700
some of those finer details about, is there another renovation option?

2184
03:04:31,700 --> 03:04:38,900
is there another solution in regards to the revenue side and package that in a little tighter bundle,

2185
03:04:39,880 --> 03:04:45,540
do the next level of design where you take the floor plans of that option and you take that

2186
03:04:45,540 --> 03:04:50,180
option and you put some floor plans to it so that we can start to hone in on some tighter numbers

2187
03:04:50,180 --> 03:04:54,020
because now we're dealing with massing, we're dealing with some tighter numbers,

2188
03:04:55,000 --> 03:04:59,100
and that would be the next phase to be able to get this thing out to your community.

2189
03:04:59,580 --> 03:05:03,720
So, with that said, I'll open it up for questions and answers.

2190
03:05:04,700 --> 03:05:05,580
Supervisor Gary Will.

2191
03:05:06,460 --> 03:05:07,440
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2192
03:05:08,640 --> 03:05:12,300
I am the Chair of the Public Safety Committee, which looks like it'll be coming.

2193
03:05:12,520 --> 03:05:13,980
It's may come to you last then.

2194
03:05:14,480 --> 03:05:16,140
So, before we leave this evening,

2195
03:05:16,480 --> 03:05:19,380
and so all my partners on the County Board,

2196
03:05:19,460 --> 03:05:20,460
I need to be a public here.

2197
03:05:20,680 --> 03:05:24,580
You had mentioned one word tonight in your whole presentation about grandfather.

2198
03:05:25,380 --> 03:05:29,800
And so everybody needs to understand, I don't know who ever wants to answer this, if the

2199
03:05:29,800 --> 03:05:30,720
Sheriff wants to answer it.

2200
03:05:30,820 --> 03:05:35,840
If you guys want to answer it, the state inspects our jail annually and they've been

2201
03:05:35,840 --> 03:05:39,500
very gracious, is a good word to put with us.

2202
03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:46,880
As long as we are doing something, showing some movement, they've been very lenient with us

2203
03:05:46,880 --> 03:05:50,120
and not putting their thumb down on us, I guess, if you will.

2204
03:05:50,120 --> 03:05:56,460
So, I don't know if there's anybody in this room tonight that can maybe answer that, or not.

2205
03:05:57,100 --> 03:06:03,320
Of what if we don't do anything, what happens to our jail and our operation and how many people we have,

2206
03:06:03,960 --> 03:06:08,900
and what we can't do, because I know a lot of that stuff in that building is not to go and not adequate.

2207
03:06:09,860 --> 03:06:13,780
I mean, we may have 305 in there now, but will we only have 20 in there?

2208
03:06:14,620 --> 03:06:17,540
So, whether ramifications, if we do nothing.

2209
03:06:17,540 --> 03:06:22,180
But I don't want to put words in Nancy's mouth, but I can tell you what's happened to other counties.

2210
03:06:23,060 --> 03:06:25,640
Is that if you guys just said, hey, we're not going to do anything.

2211
03:06:26,380 --> 03:06:30,020
The first thing that they're going to come in is start to shut down your double bunking.

2212
03:06:30,340 --> 03:06:32,240
Because misclassification is a huge piece.

2213
03:06:32,820 --> 03:06:36,180
So wherever you have a double bunk, they're going to say you can no longer double bunk.

2214
03:06:36,420 --> 03:06:40,660
And then there may actually be some cell box where they will remove the number of beds,

2215
03:06:40,900 --> 03:06:45,620
so that you are no longer mixing those classifications and what that's going to do is it's going to drive you

2216
03:06:45,620 --> 03:06:51,280
more out of county expenses, right? If there are some of these elements that start to become

2217
03:06:51,280 --> 03:06:57,000
a health risk, I mean if you continue to have sewage water getting into habitable spaces,

2218
03:06:57,500 --> 03:07:02,580
there's going to be other areas where that block just may be shut down because it hasn't been

2219
03:07:02,580 --> 03:07:07,380
repaired. So those are the sorts of things that I've seen. I can tell you that the DOC has been

2220
03:07:07,380 --> 03:07:12,020
working with counties as long as you're moving it along. They understand these are difficult

2221
03:07:12,020 --> 03:07:16,560
the citizens to make and they don't happen overnight, but you can't sit on it for years and years

2222
03:07:16,560 --> 03:07:21,680
and years as a delay tactic and I think there becomes a point in a time where they say enough

2223
03:07:21,680 --> 03:07:24,860
enough. So I don't want to put words in there, I'm not that's what I've seen happen.

2224
03:07:25,380 --> 03:07:29,540
So no, and I appreciate it. I get it and I understand it. My committee understands that. I just want

2225
03:07:29,540 --> 03:07:29,960
everybody else

2226
03:07:32,340 --> 03:07:43,600
It's not a need or a want. It's something that we're obligated to buy the state and we have to work with the state and they're working with us.

2227
03:07:44,600 --> 03:07:48,600
We have to make decisions and we're going to be tough decisions, but we have to do something.

2228
03:07:49,160 --> 03:07:54,360
Doing nothing will just be detrimental to the public safety of our county. Thank you.

2229
03:07:54,360 --> 03:08:02,900
Okay, supervisor Dean, well, thank you, Mr. Chair, could you just talk about, I know you brought

2230
03:08:02,900 --> 03:08:10,780
up that there's portions of it's sinking and stuff like that, but can you just talk a little

2231
03:08:10,780 --> 03:08:18,160
bit about, because that pertains mostly to the O4 edition that's basically sinking on

2232
03:08:18,160 --> 03:08:18,820
those.

2233
03:08:18,860 --> 03:08:23,620
Yeah, so we've got parts of the structure that are our sinking obviously, we talked about the

2234
03:08:23,620 --> 03:08:25,540
and those elements that we're in there.

2235
03:08:26,040 --> 03:08:31,020
It's one of those things that if there is the interest

2236
03:08:31,020 --> 03:08:35,100
to renovate down here, the next step would be in that design phase.

2237
03:08:35,540 --> 03:08:38,900
You're actually going to have to go in and explore what is a substrate look like.

2238
03:08:39,020 --> 03:08:39,860
And here's what that looks like.

2239
03:08:39,880 --> 03:08:42,140
We're going to have to open that up and get down there

2240
03:08:42,140 --> 03:08:44,040
and see what we're dealing with our soils with a boring.

2241
03:08:44,580 --> 03:08:46,740
That means we're going to have to open up some concrete floors.

2242
03:08:46,840 --> 03:08:49,900
We're going to have to do some soil evaluation.

2243
03:08:50,320 --> 03:08:53,120
And then come back with a solution of what that means to stabilize

2244
03:08:53,120 --> 03:09:00,140
structure. That can be very cost prohibitive to be able to do so. And there's multiple ways

2245
03:09:00,140 --> 03:09:05,840
that can be done. Healical peers, push peers, we've done it in certain facets, and it's

2246
03:09:05,840 --> 03:09:11,340
to what level does that run into. Here's the challenge that you have, is that it's already settling

2247
03:09:11,340 --> 03:09:16,060
with the structure that's in there. If we decided that we wanted to come back in and reuse it as

2248
03:09:16,060 --> 03:09:21,840
jail, we're going to put added weight on something that isn't able to support what that calculated

2249
03:09:21,840 --> 03:09:26,080
loaded load is there. So as I've talked to you before, if that's the direction that you want

2250
03:09:26,080 --> 03:09:30,560
ahead, my recommendation would be, is that space isn't going to be jail space? It would have to

2251
03:09:30,560 --> 03:09:35,080
be something of office space. So you can start to revisit that, but it can be something that's

2252
03:09:35,080 --> 03:09:41,360
explored. I just want to add to that I believe the ad hoc that we had brought up that if we do

2253
03:09:41,360 --> 03:09:46,600
try to stay downtown, that to the south, like where the parking light is now, that obviously

2254
03:09:46,600 --> 03:09:52,740
would contain the same soil substance. So there's obviously a concern there that

2255
03:09:52,740 --> 03:09:58,200
there could be an added cost as far as trying to make that suitable for

2256
03:09:58,820 --> 03:10:02,160
whatever type of build. And that's actually a part of the next phase of

2257
03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:07,660
design, right? So we would order soil samples. We would determine what is that

2258
03:10:07,660 --> 03:10:11,600
soil look like. All of that would be vetted in regards to what those options look

2259
03:10:11,600 --> 03:10:15,060
at because we're not right now we're talking conceptual. It's really into that

2260
03:10:15,060 --> 03:10:19,580
level of design to be able to deal with those issues. There are ways to

2261
03:10:19,580 --> 03:10:22,800
remediate that. I've got campuses where we've used a reused ram digger

2262
03:10:22,800 --> 03:10:26,920
get peers and been able to stabilize them, but there is a cost associated with

2263
03:10:26,920 --> 03:10:31,260
that, right? So that's where you have to evaluate, is it worth doing it? When you

2264
03:10:31,260 --> 03:10:36,160
brought up the parking lot, I didn't even talk about it, but when we build

2265
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:40,360
over there, we do have to come up with a solution for parking, because I believe

2266
03:10:40,360 --> 03:10:43,800
that parking lot is around 180 to 200 stalls.

2267
03:10:45,160 --> 03:10:49,760
So the discussion of adding a parking ramp was considered, right?

2268
03:10:50,300 --> 03:10:53,300
Parking ramps are expensive, parking ramps are maintenance

2269
03:10:53,300 --> 03:10:53,740
nightmare.

2270
03:10:53,900 --> 03:10:56,500
So you have to understand if we're going to displace that parking,

2271
03:10:57,020 --> 03:10:58,440
are we going to build a parking ramp?

2272
03:10:58,540 --> 03:11:01,300
Or are we going to take space or real estate somewhere

2273
03:11:01,300 --> 03:11:03,820
to be able to put the parking there?

2274
03:11:04,280 --> 03:11:05,980
So thank you, Kurt.

2275
03:11:06,220 --> 03:11:08,240
OK, thank you, supervisor Hayes.

2276
03:11:09,020 --> 03:11:17,120
I want to share some information with my fellow county supervisors because for me the most daunting thing of this project has been the cost.

2277
03:11:17,980 --> 03:11:20,900
And I think we have to answer the question what can we afford.

2278
03:11:21,460 --> 03:11:25,440
If I'm like county right now, we're in 13th in the state for our total debt.

2279
03:11:26,280 --> 03:11:31,620
We ranked 28th for our per capita debt and that is how much we owe for each citizen in our county.

2280
03:11:31,940 --> 03:11:32,880
It's about $600.

2281
03:11:33,600 --> 03:11:42,740
If we choose to do this project at 300 million, we're going to move to number three in the state for the amount of total debt we have.

2282
03:11:43,220 --> 03:11:48,280
And we're going to move to number one for the per capita debt and that'll be $3,479.

2283
03:11:48,740 --> 03:11:55,620
And that's a hundred thousand dollars more than any other county in the state.

2284
03:11:55,620 --> 03:12:04,880
If we choose to do the larger project, we're going to move to number two in the state for the total amount of debt.

2285
03:12:05,400 --> 03:12:09,600
And we will move to $4,633 per capita.

2286
03:12:10,920 --> 03:12:14,980
I cannot imagine that we can afford this.

2287
03:12:15,280 --> 03:12:21,000
Also, if we go to the $400,000, we're at 85% of our borrowing capacity.

2288
03:12:21,740 --> 03:12:29,060
that's 40 percentage points higher than anybody else in the state. Now if you look at

2289
03:12:29,060 --> 03:12:35,260
these numbers and I'll have Lisa send them out to all the county supervisors, there are

2290
03:12:35,260 --> 03:12:41,680
other counties that have been caught in this rising cost would county you mentioned and so

2291
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:49,540
they've moved up way high in that per capita figure and I you know we're caught in a really

2292
03:12:49,540 --> 03:12:54,480
really bad place, but we have to have a serious discussion about what we can afford.

2293
03:12:56,780 --> 03:13:04,000
I think, and I think you're spot on the counties that we're dealing with, and it's not just the projects here, right?

2294
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:05,320
It's the cost of living, right?

2295
03:13:05,540 --> 03:13:07,700
So let's talk about what we're dealing with in society.

2296
03:13:08,440 --> 03:13:12,700
Everybody is getting hammered with the cost of living, but this problem isn't going away.

2297
03:13:13,220 --> 03:13:20,900
And I think as we dive into that next level of detail and design, you can't overlook the operating cost that's going

2298
03:13:20,900 --> 03:13:27,320
to be in one of these options because that never goes away. When you talk about your ranking,

2299
03:13:27,320 --> 03:13:32,640
your ranking after 20 years changes when you pay it off, when you do your operating component,

2300
03:13:32,940 --> 03:13:37,700
or ranking doesn't go away, it'll actually increase. So I appreciate the data that you

2301
03:13:37,700 --> 03:13:43,660
brought and I think we have to deal with the operating piece as well. Like we talked. We show the numbers,

2302
03:13:44,060 --> 03:13:49,320
we just need to be able to compare them so we can see what they look like. I understand, but I just

2303
03:13:49,320 --> 03:13:55,440
to point out and I don't know how this gets done, but I think we need to have somebody, I hope

2304
03:13:55,440 --> 03:14:02,680
this would be the finance committee, determine what it is we can afford to do. Because I think,

2305
03:14:02,700 --> 03:14:10,240
you know, my personal opinion, 400 million is not affordable. Yeah, I think you're echoing exactly

2306
03:14:10,240 --> 03:14:16,580
the response that we got from the ad hoc committee. I mean, we would be kidding ourselves with

2307
03:14:16,580 --> 03:14:23,460
number doesn't shock everybody, right? And it's obviously not a number of anybody wants to

2308
03:14:23,460 --> 03:14:28,160
be able to deal with. So you have to find a way to step into it, but I would encourage us to

2309
03:14:28,160 --> 03:14:33,520
look at ways to step into it so that we're not making the wrong decision that's a long-term

2310
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:38,360
impact. That's what I will stress from a master planning perspective because I've been down that

2311
03:14:38,360 --> 03:14:43,340
road before as if we make a short-dated site a decision of where it's at, then the next generation

2312
03:14:43,340 --> 03:14:47,380
we'll pay for it. Just a caution that we do that.

2313
03:14:47,980 --> 03:14:48,940
Thank you, Supervisor Ryan.

2314
03:14:50,400 --> 03:14:58,320
I just procedurally had a question. I just want to thank these guys for a nice presentation and the committee for a lot of time.

2315
03:14:58,820 --> 03:14:59,920
Yeah, it's a big sticker shot.

2316
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,340
And I guess, a procedureally is it going to go to public safety? How long do you expect it to be a public safety?

2317
03:15:09,780 --> 03:15:22,460
How long does it come back to County Board? How procedurally will that last? And then my other question is, do we, is this the only architectural firm that will look at this equation?

2318
03:15:22,460 --> 03:15:28,580
are we locked into their plan, not that I want to start over again but obviously you guys

2319
03:15:28,580 --> 03:15:30,860
have been paid for your time and energy?

2320
03:15:33,700 --> 03:15:35,940
Or is this it? Is this the only options we have

2321
03:15:35,940 --> 03:15:40,780
in front of us? Is that something public safety has to pick up? Or what is that all go?

2322
03:15:41,640 --> 03:15:47,640
Let's answer a couple of them. You are not locked in with us beyond this point at any way at all.

2323
03:15:48,440 --> 03:15:54,440
I would hope that our efforts would have enough confidence in us to move forward, but contractually

2324
03:15:54,440 --> 03:15:57,080
you're not bound to us beyond this point at all.

2325
03:15:57,580 --> 03:16:03,900
Secondly, the timing that is wrapped up in this is that this communication plan I've typically

2326
03:16:03,900 --> 03:16:06,860
seen this take about three to four months to get done.

2327
03:16:07,300 --> 03:16:09,900
And what that would mean is you would take it to your standing committee.

2328
03:16:10,120 --> 03:16:13,840
They're going to take your recommendation, and then they're going to start to ask these

2329
03:16:13,840 --> 03:16:14,260
questions.

2330
03:16:14,260 --> 03:16:17,560
Hey, supervisor Hayes said this, can we evaluate that?

2331
03:16:17,660 --> 03:16:20,900
Supervisor Will said this, can we evaluate that?

2332
03:16:20,980 --> 03:16:26,240
And then it's a brainstorming session based on all of what we've heard so far.

2333
03:16:26,840 --> 03:16:29,740
And then you start to vet all of those components.

2334
03:16:30,540 --> 03:16:33,400
And then you come to a floor plan that comes back to the board.

2335
03:16:34,040 --> 03:16:37,200
Before you overtake it out to the public, you take this communication plan.

2336
03:16:37,360 --> 03:16:39,360
We say, here's the letter that you're going to send.

2337
03:16:39,680 --> 03:16:42,300
Here's the website, here's the cost, here's the impact,

2338
03:16:42,300 --> 03:16:43,740
and then you take it to the community.

2339
03:16:44,580 --> 03:16:46,440
That's going to take about three to four months to get that done.

2340
03:16:46,540 --> 03:16:49,140
And in order to get the communication plan done,

2341
03:16:49,400 --> 03:16:52,000
we do that in about six to eight weeks.

2342
03:16:56,100 --> 03:16:59,180
Sometime in the fall, you're probably thinking this will be coming back.

2343
03:17:01,060 --> 03:17:03,340
So you had asked the question about committee.

2344
03:17:03,740 --> 03:17:06,080
And we've had several discussions about this.

2345
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:07,380
Me and Connie Executive.

2346
03:17:08,420 --> 03:17:10,020
We talked to Megan about it.

2347
03:17:10,020 --> 03:17:15,760
talk to a supervisor Gary Will about it, chair of the public safety.

2348
03:17:16,600 --> 03:17:22,060
Public safety now is kind of, they oversee the jail, right?

2349
03:17:22,820 --> 03:17:29,740
A building project could very well go to highway and facilities, right?

2350
03:17:30,540 --> 03:17:36,080
But we need to get it in front of a committee, a standing committee, to get things started.

2351
03:17:36,080 --> 03:17:41,180
start the conversation so we can, you know, we can debate this.

2352
03:17:41,920 --> 03:17:49,260
Public safety may take a look at it and they may ask facilities to come in as a joint committee

2353
03:17:49,780 --> 03:17:51,280
and work on it with them.

2354
03:17:52,300 --> 03:17:53,280
That's as an option.

2355
03:17:53,420 --> 03:17:55,100
I'm not saying that's what we should do.

2356
03:17:55,680 --> 03:18:00,160
But expecting one committee to have all the expertise, you know, finance will have to get involved

2357
03:18:00,160 --> 03:18:03,940
to answer supervisor Hayes's question about what can we afford.

2358
03:18:03,940 --> 03:18:10,460
You know, there's a lot of parts to this, so, but we just felt it was best to start with public safety.

2359
03:18:11,300 --> 03:18:20,180
And then, as we start to pull this together over the next couple months, then we can potentially change the committee at sitting in front of.

2360
03:18:20,200 --> 03:18:24,320
If you've seen things happen, similar skirt or, okay,

2361
03:18:26,840 --> 03:18:26,840
okay.

2362
03:18:27,080 --> 03:18:32,000
Draw how it's going to start making entrances at first for all of us, so we're going to work our way through it.

2363
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:32,400
but

2364
03:18:34,670 --> 03:18:36,710
supervisor Yankee.

2365
03:18:38,670 --> 03:18:41,670
I think part of the problem is that our taxes

2366
03:18:41,670 --> 03:18:43,690
and found the lake are already high.

2367
03:18:44,530 --> 03:18:46,050
So when we look at projects like this,

2368
03:18:46,190 --> 03:18:47,810
you know, it looks really expensive.

2369
03:18:48,570 --> 03:18:51,090
And also, you know, we're gonna have a referendum

2370
03:18:51,090 --> 03:18:52,510
coming up for the school district

2371
03:18:52,510 --> 03:18:54,510
for those of us that live in the city

2372
03:18:54,510 --> 03:18:58,410
and they're asking for $10 million a year for the next,

2373
03:18:58,410 --> 03:19:00,490
you know, four years, you know,

2374
03:19:00,570 --> 03:19:02,570
because they couldn't do their budget properly or whatever.

2375
03:19:02,570 --> 03:19:09,790
So I mean we have that and I mean we would have this and you know when you look at the surrounding areas our taxes are going to be pretty high

2376
03:19:10,550 --> 03:19:14,050
But anyway, oh, I have a question to you like is there

2377
03:19:15,370 --> 03:19:23,070
No, ever grant for anything like this. Nope. I wish I had a butter answer because that always comes up with the answers. No

2378
03:19:24,730 --> 03:19:26,630
So where is your Griffith?

2379
03:19:26,790 --> 03:19:32,510
Yeah, thank you. I'm glad to hear chair able that you see other committees potentially being involved in this

2380
03:19:32,510 --> 03:19:45,290
My question is I think there probably are really several committees of jurisdiction and what I want to know is what would be the procedure for somebody who is perhaps not on those committees to have input.

2381
03:19:45,610 --> 03:19:51,910
The idea that you can go to a committee meeting and speak at the beginning for three minutes but the committee is not allowed to respond to what you say.

2382
03:19:52,270 --> 03:19:56,970
It's not very satisfying. I don't think it's the best way to get the best work out of our board.

2383
03:19:56,970 --> 03:20:12,450
So I would like to know if there's a way that any of us who have interest or an idea can weigh in appropriately and be welcomed to do that so that it's we can get as many good minds on this as possible.

2384
03:20:12,590 --> 03:20:16,410
I really appreciate it a lot of the things that other people have brought up.

2385
03:20:16,550 --> 03:20:20,090
Megan, would you care to weigh in on the proper way to handle this?

2386
03:20:21,500 --> 03:20:28,280
So arguably, there are two committees in my minds that have cleared jurisdiction over different parts.

2387
03:20:28,820 --> 03:20:37,080
One is public safety, just simply because they're the jurisdictional committee for the Sheriff's Department in terms of the jail.

2388
03:20:38,480 --> 03:20:48,660
But the other is highway, and highway has the jurisdiction over all new buildings, construction, and is required under the board rules to be consulted.

2389
03:20:48,660 --> 03:21:11,640
So, we have a board rule that says, have referred to it all matters related to maintenance and construction of all county buildings and be consulted by all departments and committees in planning for new buildings or for proposed structural changes in existing buildings owned or occupied by the county.

2390
03:21:11,640 --> 03:21:21,840
So, when you have a board rule like that, to me, it sounds like at some point highways is going to be more involved than public safety.

2391
03:21:22,500 --> 03:21:25,760
Or they're going to potentially meet jointly.

2392
03:21:27,360 --> 03:21:36,660
In terms of, I guess, contributions by other supervisors that do not sit on either one of those committees.

2393
03:21:37,620 --> 03:21:47,560
Are you believe that will be up to the chairs of those committees as to whether they'll give latitude on time for public input or supervisor input?

2394
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:58,820
I think every committee I've been to has usually given supervisors a little bit more latitude when they are present at committee meetings even if it's not when they sit on.

2395
03:21:59,200 --> 03:22:05,360
You can always forward your comments as well to the chairs of the committees or to the clerk to share.

2396
03:22:05,360 --> 03:22:10,680
out, but I guess, you know, I can't necessarily give you a black and white rule of thumb

2397
03:22:10,680 --> 03:22:17,340
because we also entrust our committees to do the work, but they also take your input.

2398
03:22:17,700 --> 03:22:23,100
So, however you feel that that's appropriate, ultimately that'll be also up to the chairs

2399
03:22:23,100 --> 03:22:24,200
to run those meetings.

2400
03:22:25,980 --> 03:22:28,780
So that answer your question, excuse me, does that answer your question?

2401
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:32,440
Okay, thank you. Do you guys are learning?

2402
03:22:34,040 --> 03:22:52,500
I have a question from Ms. McNamara and then for you. First of all, for the consultants, can we, what do you mean by, we're going to go to the community, and we're going to talk about our recommendation, so that would be that.

2403
03:22:52,500 --> 03:23:00,720
I mean, we don't, we don't really have a recommendation other than the ad hoc committees recommendation on certain options.

2404
03:23:01,660 --> 03:23:04,260
Yeah, so I've done it a couple of ways.

2405
03:23:06,780 --> 03:23:13,480
You have the standing committee work to a final floor plan of what you're going.

2406
03:23:13,860 --> 03:23:18,240
You all have an agreement that this is within the realm of what we would approve,

2407
03:23:18,720 --> 03:23:22,580
But you're not confident in making that decision until you take it out to the community.

2408
03:23:23,220 --> 03:23:29,320
I've also had counties where we have given them two options to evaluate, right?

2409
03:23:29,560 --> 03:23:32,320
And one was actually three, meaning we're going to do a jail.

2410
03:23:32,800 --> 03:23:33,880
We're going to do a law enforcement center.

2411
03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:35,000
We're going to do a justice center.

2412
03:23:35,500 --> 03:23:37,220
So, everybody agreed on the master plan.

2413
03:23:37,840 --> 03:23:42,180
They just need to do a degree on, are we going to do step one, step two, or step three?

2414
03:23:42,300 --> 03:23:46,540
And they got the feedback from their constituents and regards to where to go with that.

2415
03:23:47,240 --> 03:23:52,940
This next phase of design is going to be key in regards to you being able to vet some

2416
03:23:52,940 --> 03:23:54,340
of those operational components.

2417
03:23:56,180 --> 03:24:00,760
So that's how I've seen that rolled out in the communications plan, is that you want that

2418
03:24:00,760 --> 03:24:04,240
dialogue from them, but you gotta give them something more concrete than what you have here

2419
03:24:04,240 --> 03:24:04,800
today.

2420
03:24:06,080 --> 03:24:11,040
And just because I would think it would be up to our highway department to decide what

2421
03:24:11,040 --> 03:24:14,400
option they would recommend to the county board.

2422
03:24:14,400 --> 03:24:19,960
And I think you've already talked about that, is that whether highway is joint with public

2423
03:24:19,960 --> 03:24:24,480
safety and I've seen that happen, that may be where it ends up to be able to get to

2424
03:24:24,480 --> 03:24:25,200
that point.

2425
03:24:25,540 --> 03:24:31,160
And then the other question is just that if it doesn't, so if we don't like what happens

2426
03:24:31,160 --> 03:24:39,380
in committee because maybe some other people want what Ms. Griffith said about what do we do

2427
03:24:39,380 --> 03:24:45,340
know as far as participating, is it possible to go to a committee as a whole if

2428
03:24:48,760 --> 03:24:49,460
that would

2429
03:24:49,460 --> 03:24:49,600
be.

2430
03:24:50,220 --> 03:24:52,820
Corporation Council and I briefly talked about this.

2431
03:24:53,260 --> 03:24:58,860
So if we went to the whole county board as a committee, we would start to have quorum issues

2432
03:24:58,860 --> 03:25:03,760
and there's several other things that would probably pop up in that that we don't think

2433
03:25:03,760 --> 03:25:05,380
it's practical to do that.

2434
03:25:05,380 --> 03:25:12,720
Obviously, you could, but trying to get something accomplished would be extremely difficult.

2435
03:25:13,260 --> 03:25:18,220
Because I know that other boards go to committee as a whole.

2436
03:25:18,380 --> 03:25:19,420
I mean even council.

2437
03:25:20,380 --> 03:25:22,440
So I'm just asking if that's a possibility.

2438
03:25:26,290 --> 03:25:31,790
I think the challenging part is councils are smaller and number and you're dealing with a 25 person board.

2439
03:25:31,790 --> 03:25:40,210
So the core of issue is a real issue, especially if you wish to move forward, we would generally need a

2440
03:25:40,210 --> 03:25:43,210
a core of this body to make it affectual.

2441
03:25:43,990 --> 03:25:49,790
That is why my recommendation of this board is to send it to a standing committee first.

2442
03:25:49,990 --> 03:25:54,790
There is definitely information that needs to get rooted out,

2443
03:25:54,790 --> 03:26:02,810
on discussed and evaluated whether we need more information, further digestion of some of the

2444
03:26:02,810 --> 03:26:09,370
options. That's the work of the committees to kind of delve into that now that it's been presented

2445
03:26:09,370 --> 03:26:16,770
and whether the chairs which have a joint meeting between Highway and Public Safety or individually

2446
03:26:16,770 --> 03:26:24,090
look at certain aspects, that will be up to how the sport wishes to refer it out of this meeting

2447
03:26:24,090 --> 03:26:24,670
tonight.

2448
03:26:26,740 --> 03:26:27,540
Does that answer your question?

2449
03:26:28,300 --> 03:26:29,500
Yes, thank you.

2450
03:26:29,720 --> 03:26:30,000
Thank you.

2451
03:26:30,100 --> 03:26:30,960
Mr. Deenwell.

2452
03:26:31,820 --> 03:26:32,860
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2453
03:26:33,540 --> 03:26:35,220
The question was brought up.

2454
03:26:35,400 --> 03:26:40,280
I believe about the consultant as far as if we should look elsewhere.

2455
03:26:42,900 --> 03:26:47,040
The ad hoc committee, obviously we too are green-like.

2456
03:26:47,580 --> 03:26:51,420
You were involved with that project.

2457
03:26:52,360 --> 03:27:02,880
The Sheriff spoke very highly of the consultants and I don't believe that was because you were there.

2458
03:27:03,140 --> 03:27:04,560
I don't know about anything with that.

2459
03:27:05,140 --> 03:27:07,400
I had spoken to Kelly McConey.

2460
03:27:07,660 --> 03:27:09,680
You were involved with Kelly McConey.

2461
03:27:09,980 --> 03:27:12,700
I spoke personally with the Sheriff Kelly McConey.

2462
03:27:13,100 --> 03:27:15,320
Very happy with the results.

2463
03:27:16,420 --> 03:27:23,180
You've been involved with occontal, triple, triple, triple low, and what Sheriff County is

2464
03:27:23,180 --> 03:27:23,680
accurate.

2465
03:27:24,700 --> 03:27:29,660
Like any other counties that you would want to bring up, and I just want to point out that

2466
03:27:29,660 --> 03:27:35,520
when we did the Green Lake tour, the first thing that came out of the Sheriff's Month,

2467
03:27:35,960 --> 03:27:41,140
I didn't know the Sheriff at all, I never met him, I never really had a conversation, obviously,

2468
03:27:41,140 --> 03:27:48,120
with them. But he said that the county broker that the ad hoc plus the county board need to trust

2469
03:27:48,120 --> 03:27:54,340
your sheriff. That's one of the key factors in this whole thing. If you're going to go down

2470
03:27:54,340 --> 03:27:59,360
this road and not trust or always have second thoughts or thinking well we should do this we should

2471
03:27:59,360 --> 03:28:05,920
do that. Then we're going to stumble and we're going to make mistakes like previous county boards

2472
03:28:07,320 --> 03:28:11,060
So I just wanted to talk a little bit about your history maybe.

2473
03:28:11,320 --> 03:28:13,840
Yeah, I don't like to talk about our resume.

2474
03:28:14,100 --> 03:28:15,020
And I won't.

2475
03:28:15,180 --> 03:28:16,660
You guys can order a little bit, please.

2476
03:28:17,000 --> 03:28:18,480
Yeah, you guys can check our references.

2477
03:28:18,960 --> 03:28:23,120
But the question that was asked always comes up and we get to the end of this.

2478
03:28:23,240 --> 03:28:25,900
Because we deliver a message that you don't want to hear.

2479
03:28:26,200 --> 03:28:28,480
And you want to get a second opinion. It always happens, right?

2480
03:28:29,100 --> 03:28:32,040
And you'll go through that discussion about who are you going to bring on.

2481
03:28:32,520 --> 03:28:35,340
I guess what I want to emphasize to you is that we would be hired

2482
03:28:35,340 --> 03:28:36,680
as a professional service.

2483
03:28:37,060 --> 03:28:39,780
As a construction manager, there are two different ways

2484
03:28:39,780 --> 03:28:40,820
to deliver a project.

2485
03:28:41,220 --> 03:28:43,200
One is, we come in as an advisor,

2486
03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:46,060
and we walk you through this entire project

2487
03:28:46,060 --> 03:28:48,320
from the beginning, until the end,

2488
03:28:48,540 --> 03:28:50,680
and I still follow up with facilities people.

2489
03:28:51,160 --> 03:28:54,100
Years after, we've been gone to make sure things are run and fine.

2490
03:28:54,920 --> 03:28:57,280
And that is our business model

2491
03:28:57,280 --> 03:28:59,700
is based on a reputation, check our references.

2492
03:29:00,580 --> 03:29:03,420
Ventures element, and the reason that I brought Venture in,

2493
03:29:03,420 --> 03:29:07,280
If you guys look at the world of what's happened with corrections in the state of Wisconsin,

2494
03:29:07,960 --> 03:29:12,980
there are only a couple firms that have a long history of correctional experience,

2495
03:29:13,300 --> 03:29:15,160
and one of them do not do them anymore.

2496
03:29:16,020 --> 03:29:17,620
Venture has the longest resume.

2497
03:29:18,160 --> 03:29:19,200
I've worked with them.

2498
03:29:19,460 --> 03:29:23,480
I've been very impressed with their professionalism and how they look out for the counties.

2499
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:28,640
What I do want to stress with you is, because you don't like what we're recommending to you,

2500
03:29:28,640 --> 03:29:34,080
doesn't mean that that's where we're going to end up our responsibility as your professionals

2501
03:29:34,080 --> 03:29:36,960
is to listen to you and guide you.

2502
03:29:37,020 --> 03:29:38,960
We may tell you, that's a dumb idea.

2503
03:29:39,760 --> 03:29:44,360
Understand that it's not coming from the wrong location, it's this county did it and it didn't

2504
03:29:44,360 --> 03:29:44,860
work.

2505
03:29:45,500 --> 03:29:48,340
And understand that we're not doing it to try to force an agenda.

2506
03:29:48,940 --> 03:29:51,080
We're trying to give you the direction to be able to get there.

2507
03:29:51,820 --> 03:29:56,100
So ideas that have been brought out here tonight definitely need to be incorporated in the next

2508
03:29:56,100 --> 03:29:58,740
of design. We've done it multiple times.

2509
03:29:58,980 --> 03:29:59,960
Dean, I appreciate the...

2510
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:16,980
Kind words, but this always comes up. We need to get a second opinion. The reality is we have the opinions here of what you feel your counting needs to do. You've got a vast amount of experience here that can tell you about why we should or shouldn't do certain things.

2511
03:30:17,440 --> 03:30:19,000
So, thank you.

2512
03:30:20,120 --> 03:30:20,920
Supervisor Ryan.

2513
03:30:21,940 --> 03:30:25,800
Yeah, I mean, contractually, my question was more geared towards contractually.

2514
03:30:25,980 --> 03:30:27,720
What are we obligated to now?

2515
03:30:28,060 --> 03:30:33,920
Is your presentation here completion of the contractual obligations that we have with you?

2516
03:30:34,020 --> 03:30:34,520
That's all.

2517
03:30:34,820 --> 03:30:40,380
It is, but like I told you, if you have questions, I don't want to leave you guys without

2518
03:30:40,380 --> 03:30:41,200
the information.

2519
03:30:41,420 --> 03:30:45,520
I would be willing to meet with you one-on-one to be able to answer any questions here,

2520
03:30:45,520 --> 03:30:48,160
you know, and you get to the committee, if you want some direction on what's worked

2521
03:30:48,160 --> 03:30:49,340
for me as you move forward.

2522
03:30:49,820 --> 03:30:52,200
I'm not, it's not tail late tonight, you know?

2523
03:30:52,740 --> 03:30:55,720
Because the issues cost, the issue is prices,

2524
03:30:56,080 --> 03:30:58,960
no matter who you go with, those aren't gonna change.

2525
03:31:00,760 --> 03:31:02,780
Steve, could you tell me if this is gonna,

2526
03:31:02,780 --> 03:31:05,260
when it comes down to the vote at the county board,

2527
03:31:05,280 --> 03:31:06,640
is it gonna be a two thirds,

2528
03:31:07,020 --> 03:31:08,380
or is it gonna be a simple majority?

2529
03:31:08,640 --> 03:31:09,620
It would be a three quarter,

2530
03:31:09,860 --> 03:31:12,200
because we'd be bonding, it would be a three quarter.

2531
03:31:12,880 --> 03:31:15,380
Majority, I don't know if corporation counsel agrees or not,

2532
03:31:15,380 --> 03:31:22,200
But if we decided to do this, Meghan, it would be three quarters majority, right?

2533
03:31:22,200 --> 03:31:23,700
If we decided to go ahead with this.

2534
03:31:23,820 --> 03:31:27,620
I missed what you were saying, sorry, because I was asking Erin a question about the contract.

2535
03:31:28,280 --> 03:31:29,620
So, what was your question?

2536
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:31,960
I'll go ahead and ask it again, right, Meghan?

2537
03:31:32,220 --> 03:31:32,620
Yeah, it's right.

2538
03:31:32,780 --> 03:31:36,420
So, when it comes to County Board, is it going to be a simple majority?

2539
03:31:36,640 --> 03:31:39,720
What is the, what's going to be the...

2540
03:31:39,720 --> 03:31:40,820
For this to committee?

2541
03:31:40,960 --> 03:31:45,360
No, when it finally comes back as a recommendation, what will the

2542
03:31:45,360 --> 03:31:48,720
need to be. The resolution to build.

2543
03:31:51,210 --> 03:31:54,070
Yeah. Well, if you want to be heard on that, I think it

2544
03:31:54,070 --> 03:31:58,470
just... So here's what has happened. The good bad and ugly, we're going to expose it here.

2545
03:31:58,690 --> 03:32:01,850
You're going to see a couple resolutions coming before the board. There's a resolution,

2546
03:32:02,010 --> 03:32:06,070
could it come before the board that you approve a project, a description of the project, right?

2547
03:32:06,570 --> 03:32:10,650
That's going to need a simple majority. And now you're going to need a borrowing authorization that's

2548
03:32:10,650 --> 03:32:15,270
going to come behind that that says, we need to fund what we just approved as a resolution.

2549
03:32:15,270 --> 03:32:22,130
I've had the resolution for the project pass and this one fails because this one will need three quarters of the county board

2550
03:32:22,130 --> 03:32:27,270
This one needs a simple majority and I've had that happen multiple times

2551
03:32:29,150 --> 03:32:30,090
Okay, Tammy

2552
03:32:32,170 --> 03:32:35,750
we'll get you here. We go if it comes forward as a project

2553
03:32:35,750 --> 03:32:39,130
There will be a budget adjustment if it wasn't in there and that's a two-thirds

2554
03:32:39,130 --> 03:32:40,210
Yeah, not a majority

2555
03:32:41,070 --> 03:32:43,930
Yeah, and then the bonding would be three quarters

2556
03:32:43,930 --> 03:32:45,190
for three minutes.

2557
03:32:49,750 --> 03:32:50,290
So, okay.

2558
03:32:50,830 --> 03:32:51,950
The Q is empty again.

2559
03:32:52,950 --> 03:32:54,430
Now, we are still debating.

2560
03:32:54,630 --> 03:32:55,370
Not debating.

2561
03:32:55,790 --> 03:32:58,090
We're still asking questions about the presentation.

2562
03:32:58,570 --> 03:33:00,490
We haven't moved on to the final item yet.

2563
03:33:01,050 --> 03:33:03,450
Any questions about the presentation for Kurt?

2564
03:33:05,880 --> 03:33:06,840
Okay, Kurt.

2565
03:33:07,960 --> 03:33:08,380
Thanks for your time.

2566
03:33:08,500 --> 03:33:11,200
I'd like to thank you on behalf of the County Board

2567
03:33:11,200 --> 03:33:13,800
and the public for all the legwork to this point,

2568
03:33:13,960 --> 03:33:15,080
so we do appreciate it.

2569
03:33:15,240 --> 03:33:15,900
Thank you.

2570
03:33:24,220 --> 03:33:26,780
So, we need to introduce them to you.

2571
03:33:28,570 --> 03:33:34,950
So with that, we're going to move on to the final item on the agenda, which is to refer the

2572
03:33:34,950 --> 03:33:38,430
jail study to the public safety committee.

2573
03:33:38,550 --> 03:33:44,970
I think we've talked about this enough, it's a simple vote, but we can debate it to start.

2574
03:33:45,210 --> 03:33:50,950
I would need a motion, motion by supervisor Ryan, second by supervisor Meyer Chuck,

2575
03:33:53,410 --> 03:33:53,610
okay.

2576
03:33:53,610 --> 03:33:56,450
now we can debate sending it to public safety.

2577
03:33:57,050 --> 03:33:57,930
Surveys are broad.

2578
03:34:00,520 --> 03:34:02,620
But a question, based on some of the comments

2579
03:34:02,620 --> 03:34:03,820
from other supervisors,

2580
03:34:04,700 --> 03:34:08,860
if there was specific aspects of this

2581
03:34:08,860 --> 03:34:10,860
that we want discussed in committee,

2582
03:34:11,040 --> 03:34:15,140
could we as members who are not on the public safety committee,

2583
03:34:15,140 --> 03:34:17,020
bring a resolution to county board and say,

2584
03:34:17,200 --> 03:34:21,200
we would like to see ex-considered by that committee,

2585
03:34:21,540 --> 03:34:24,000
just as like a procedural way to...

2586
03:34:24,880 --> 03:34:30,740
I'll let Megan chime in, but I think it needs to go through the chair of that committee first.

2587
03:34:30,960 --> 03:34:38,000
I mean, you can bring any resolution you want to the county board, but it's kind of up to the committee chair and how they build their agenda.

2588
03:34:39,100 --> 03:34:44,720
I would prefer that you would work with the committees, and I would prefer that you mentioned it to the chair.

2589
03:34:44,780 --> 03:34:49,000
If there's an agenda item that you want to be fully discussed that is

2590
03:34:49,000 --> 03:34:53,880
pertinent and relevant to their jurisdiction associated with this project.

2591
03:34:55,440 --> 03:35:01,040
To just bring it through with three supervisor sponsoring a resolution, side stepping the committee.

2592
03:35:01,440 --> 03:35:06,940
I personally just don't feel as in line with the board rules and the jurisdiction on the committees.

2593
03:35:07,400 --> 03:35:09,580
So I was something of this magnitude.

2594
03:35:10,200 --> 03:35:16,340
I really really just asked that you honor that process because that's what they're tasked with doing.

2595
03:35:16,340 --> 03:35:25,260
both public safety and highway. I'd also like to add as you bring those forward to the

2596
03:35:25,260 --> 03:35:30,820
committee just be careful that you don't break any quorum issues or open meeting

2597
03:35:30,820 --> 03:35:36,520
discussions that you've specifically talked to the chair and if they don't if you

2598
03:35:36,520 --> 03:35:41,220
don't like their response don't go to another member and another member because now

2599
03:35:41,220 --> 03:35:47,260
we're going to have some issues, so just keep in mind you can go to the committee meetings as

2600
03:35:47,260 --> 03:35:52,640
well and if there's an agenda item that requests future agenda items, you know, that's

2601
03:35:52,640 --> 03:35:57,460
where sometimes those issues get raised and can be addressed as well.

2602
03:35:58,880 --> 03:36:01,920
Okay, all right, so please raise your hands.

2603
03:36:02,620 --> 03:36:04,240
First, I have a question about that.

2604
03:36:04,360 --> 03:36:10,100
So we would go to the chair of the committee to ask for the item to be put on the agenda of

2605
03:36:10,100 --> 03:36:14,000
committee? Well, the chairs are supposed to be arguably setting their

2606
03:36:14,000 --> 03:36:18,580
agendas. So that's how we would do it. Go to them and ask them to put it on their agenda.

2607
03:36:19,360 --> 03:36:21,420
I mean, that's how it's born with other people.

2608
03:36:21,440 --> 03:36:25,820
Or at the end of a meeting when they set the agenda or they ask for agenda items for the next meeting,

2609
03:36:25,980 --> 03:36:31,960
ask that it be put on the next the next meeting. Okay. Then the second thing, I, I talked with

2610
03:36:31,960 --> 03:36:40,080
your able this afternoon about all this. You can obviously tell I'm pretty stressed by this amount of money.

2611
03:36:40,080 --> 03:37:09,800
And he told me that County Executive Coffman would be coming in at this point, so I'm just curious what he could help with or because, you know, the financial aspect, Tammy has to weigh in on this, there's so much knowledge in our employees and in the executive branch and I'm just curious how they can come in now and start answering some of these questions because I don't want us to be going

2612
03:37:10,080 --> 03:37:14,960
off in all these directions where we're wasting our time, that's my feeling.

2613
03:37:15,680 --> 03:37:20,320
If we can't afford $400 million, we need to figure out what we can afford.

2614
03:37:20,920 --> 03:37:26,080
And I don't know that any of us as committees are equipped to decide that.

2615
03:37:27,420 --> 03:37:29,640
So that's my next, my other question.

2616
03:37:30,660 --> 03:37:35,520
Mr. Coffman. So, the County Board tasked itself with creating the

2617
03:37:35,520 --> 03:37:40,800
out of our committee to study the issue. From the County Executive's office, we have taken

2618
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:45,600
some of a back seat in the idea that this is a County Board matter. We are monitoring the

2619
03:37:45,600 --> 03:37:50,160
matter. I've attended the out of our committees when I've been available to see what

2620
03:37:50,160 --> 03:37:53,800
it was going to be, but my understanding has always been, the out of our committee was

2621
03:37:53,800 --> 03:37:57,820
never going to be the final say. At some point you are going to have to go to a committee

2622
03:37:57,820 --> 03:37:59,080
to get it to more detail.

2623
03:38:00,080 --> 03:38:04,040
For me to throw out numbers, I think creates a little confusion to the public.

2624
03:38:04,380 --> 03:38:08,620
That's why I've hesitated to talk about what numbers they would be.

2625
03:38:08,980 --> 03:38:11,280
I don't know at this point, what is even we built?

2626
03:38:11,840 --> 03:38:14,420
I have no idea what the county board's going to decide on.

2627
03:38:14,460 --> 03:38:15,800
I don't know where it's going to be located.

2628
03:38:16,420 --> 03:38:18,720
I know the cost is going to be at that point.

2629
03:38:19,240 --> 03:38:24,120
But when I do know, I get a better idea of what is being planned and we have a more solid

2630
03:38:24,120 --> 03:38:27,620
numbers to what it's going to take the bill, then absolutely.

2631
03:38:28,200 --> 03:38:32,820
That I believe that kind of exec is really to step it at that point and say, if this is

2632
03:38:32,820 --> 03:38:36,940
what you're building, and this isn't worth just being the cost, this isn't worth just

2633
03:38:36,940 --> 03:38:42,560
paid in the, the rate is going to be to pay for this under a bond, then I'm going to have

2634
03:38:42,560 --> 03:38:48,320
to come in at that point and then say, this is the impact with regard to taxpayers, but not

2635
03:38:48,320 --> 03:38:52,640
to taxpayers, but with regard to our businesses, because we have obviously our businesses

2636
03:38:52,640 --> 03:38:55,720
that are in the county, businesses that we're trying to attract.

2637
03:38:56,000 --> 03:38:57,820
You don't have an impact with the guard of them also.

2638
03:38:58,580 --> 03:39:00,920
So those are concerns I am going to have financially.

2639
03:39:01,700 --> 03:39:03,840
I think Mary, you hit it right in the head too with the guard of

2640
03:39:03,840 --> 03:39:08,480
violent capacity, that is going to give that something I have to give

2641
03:39:08,480 --> 03:39:11,080
consideration to, into whether or not it would even

2642
03:39:11,080 --> 03:39:14,340
veto a resolution depending on what it comes in at.

2643
03:39:14,660 --> 03:39:18,380
Because if we go through and start getting to a point in a

2644
03:39:18,380 --> 03:39:26,360
capacity that is so high now you're going to effect overall rating up on rating and that is a

2645
03:39:26,360 --> 03:39:31,240
concern to not only this year or next year for the kind of executive of the county but for budget's

2646
03:39:31,240 --> 03:39:36,880
going on I can tell you this point that I've been a very clear to board leadership I've mentioned

2647
03:39:36,880 --> 03:39:42,480
that I can be before that this is something the county in itself using the distance sales tax and

2648
03:39:42,480 --> 03:39:48,620
cannot pay for. This is going to have to pay for by some form of a special

2649
03:39:48,620 --> 03:39:53,760
lot of attacks on taxpayers to pay for it. We do not have the capacity or

2650
03:39:53,760 --> 03:39:58,240
funds available without basically stripping our existing budgets to pay for

2651
03:39:58,240 --> 03:40:01,780
such an item like this, and that's not even possible. So I can tell you

2652
03:40:01,780 --> 03:40:06,780
right now from the kind of exec is position, that's off the table. I will not

2653
03:40:06,780 --> 03:40:11,900
go through and use our existing finances or our sales tax as we struggle

2654
03:40:11,900 --> 03:40:15,120
or ready to meet our needs to now try and figure out

2655
03:40:15,120 --> 03:40:16,660
how do we pay for this?

2656
03:40:17,040 --> 03:40:18,120
That's not going to happen.

2657
03:40:18,880 --> 03:40:20,540
So the company board, as they give consideration,

2658
03:40:20,940 --> 03:40:23,280
this is going to have to consider the dollar amount

2659
03:40:23,280 --> 03:40:25,140
that what impact it's going to be on taxpayers,

2660
03:40:25,760 --> 03:40:28,020
because that's what the fund is going to have to come from,

2661
03:40:28,320 --> 03:40:30,540
is to have some poor special tax levity

2662
03:40:30,540 --> 03:40:31,880
in order to go ahead and do that.

2663
03:40:32,380 --> 03:40:33,560
So I hope that answer your question,

2664
03:40:34,020 --> 03:40:36,660
but in this point of being premature for me to tell you

2665
03:40:36,660 --> 03:40:40,320
what I think it's going to be or how we're going to do that

2666
03:40:40,320 --> 03:40:41,640
until I know the actual numbers.

2667
03:40:45,950 --> 03:40:47,850
Mr. Coppano, I have talked about it.

2668
03:40:49,870 --> 03:40:52,610
And, you know, they don't want to, I should say,

2669
03:40:52,690 --> 03:40:55,050
he doesn't want to take the lead position on it.

2670
03:40:55,310 --> 03:40:57,770
However, as questions come up,

2671
03:40:57,950 --> 03:40:59,670
and we're obviously going to have a lot of questions,

2672
03:41:00,330 --> 03:41:02,410
we're going to have to run them through, you know,

2673
03:41:02,830 --> 03:41:06,010
their office to see, you know, to answer some of these.

2674
03:41:06,610 --> 03:41:08,450
And, but I think you will,

2675
03:41:09,650 --> 03:41:16,590
I'm paraphrasing here, things, he wants things to start in our, with the county board, right?

2676
03:41:16,850 --> 03:41:19,350
They, they want, what do you, we want, right?

2677
03:41:19,490 --> 03:41:24,550
He doesn't want to take, told me, he doesn't want to take the position of telling us what he wants,

2678
03:41:25,010 --> 03:41:29,130
unless it starts contradicting what's for the good of the county, so to speak.

2679
03:41:30,370 --> 03:41:33,050
I'm, like I said, I paraphrased quite a bit there.

2680
03:41:34,560 --> 03:41:40,260
Any other questions or discussion on the referral to the Public Safety Committee?

2681
03:41:43,620 --> 03:41:45,860
Final time, supervisor Griffith.

2682
03:41:47,020 --> 03:41:53,460
I just want to clarify, do I understand that it will be the Public Safety Committee and the Highway Committee and Finance?

2683
03:41:54,020 --> 03:41:57,900
As are we just, the way it's set up, we're going to send it to Public Safety.

2684
03:41:59,300 --> 03:42:02,900
And then the debate will start if they want to turn it into a joint committee,

2685
03:42:02,900 --> 03:42:10,560
or they wanted to start on their own, and then bring in highway at some facilities, I should say.

2686
03:42:11,200 --> 03:42:16,540
But for simple simplification, we decided to start with just one committee as public safety.

2687
03:42:17,400 --> 03:42:25,740
But I would anticipate very quickly that I can't speak for Mr. Will, that they're going to turn it into some kind of joint committee.

2688
03:42:25,740 --> 03:42:27,820
is that fair?

2689
03:42:30,120 --> 03:42:30,760
Anyone else?

2690
03:42:33,500 --> 03:42:38,300
I don't see any more questions. So we have a motion in a second.

2691
03:42:39,160 --> 03:42:45,060
I guess we'll move to the vote. All those in favor say aye. Opposed nay.

2692
03:43:01,210 --> 03:43:02,170
Okay, and I should

2693
03:43:02,170 --> 03:43:08,410
I should point out that we had a supervisor, friend, Fenric, had to leave. So he's

2694
03:43:08,410 --> 03:43:09,050
the excuse.

2695
03:43:15,620 --> 03:43:20,680
We haven't voted on anything so long we got to turn them back on. The motion has been

2696
03:43:20,680 --> 03:43:23,020
approved 23 in favor and not opposed.

2697
03:43:25,100 --> 03:43:29,820
So our next county board meeting will be Tuesday March 18th

2698
03:43:29,820 --> 03:43:37,820
at 6 o'clock. I believe the next, I don't have a date for the next public safety committee meeting,

2699
03:43:37,820 --> 03:43:42,600
But I believe it's the first week in March, Tuesday.

2700
03:43:43,320 --> 03:43:43,320
OK,

2701
03:43:48,220 --> 03:43:49,800
on March 4th, OK.

2702
03:43:50,760 --> 03:43:53,100
So obviously, there's not going to be a lot happening other

2703
03:43:53,100 --> 03:43:55,660
than I think they're going to sort out the future of how they

2704
03:43:55,660 --> 03:43:56,540
want to address this.

2705
03:43:57,040 --> 03:43:59,520
So I can't speak for Mr. Will, but that's what I anticipate.

2706
03:44:00,760 --> 03:44:03,460
OK, are there any other announcements for the good of the order?

2707
03:44:05,780 --> 03:44:06,040
Anything?

2708
03:44:06,480 --> 03:44:07,440
I don't see anything.

2709
03:44:08,020 --> 03:44:10,320
That'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

2710
03:44:10,320 --> 03:44:15,920
Motion by supervisor beer second by supervisor Simon and it is not debatable

2711
03:44:15,920 --> 03:44:20,040
moved to the vote all those in favor press your button i oppose nay

2712
03:44:38,880 --> 03:44:44,820
Okay, the motion has been approved 23 in favor and none oppose we stand adjourned