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Thank you. I'm calling this meeting of

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the budget committee to order at

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6:00 and we'd like to start with a roll

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call, please.

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Anderson.

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Mayor Melinda Wel. Are you calling my

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here? I'm sorry. I'm here. And then,

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forgive me. Is it Rachel or Raquel?

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Relle. Okay. Relle Baitman.

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Tom Cook here. Angel Falconer here.

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Galvin here. Don Gustoson here. Mallerie

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Carla Kinsey

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here. Michael

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Marshall, Karen Martinez here, Brian

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Shiml, and Mariana Valen here. Thank

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you. Thank you very much. Um, has there

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been any public comment received that

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you're aware of, Jamie? I received no

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public comment. And is there anybody on

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Zoom who might be wanting to address us?

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I do not see anybody on Zoom with their

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hands raised. All right.

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Absolutely. I apologize

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if I want to extend some gratitude to

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the the budget committee last

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year the proposal that the city council

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adopted last night.

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grateful for the time and thoughtfulness

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and preparing that

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proposal and allowing some extra time

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that. You're still here.

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Thank you for mentioning that, Brian.

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Yes, the city council did need to have a

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work session where they considered this

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budget committee's recommendations for

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counselor compensation and they found a

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consensus though formal action of course

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is not taken at a working session so

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that will be in the near future no we it

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was a resolution

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work session session

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so we reach consensus but no formal

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yeah it's all right

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um any other comment anyone like to make

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before we move

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on. All right, seeing none, consent

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agenda has nothing on it. So rather than

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spend time on the consent agenda, what

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I'd like to do is just briefly go around

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the room and make introductions as we

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have several new members of our

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committee. Um, and Tom, we'll start with

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you if that's all right. My name is Tom

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Cook. I've been on the committee now

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six, seven years, something right of the

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town for eight years.

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Glad to hear you. Tom is a veteran.

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Again, my name is Dave Anderson. Tom and

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I have served about the same length of

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think. I've lived in town for a little

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over 10 years, and it's a pleasure to be

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here, and I appreciate all of those

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people who have joined us this

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year. I'm Pauly, assistant city manager,

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finance director, and I've been with the

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city since January of

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1994. City councelor, and this is my

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fifth year.

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Highfield first year on the budget

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committee also on the parks committee

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thank you for joining

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us since 2014.

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2019 Angel was selected last November

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and here for three

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years had my foot in the community since

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2010 when my husband told three start

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program to be

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Shiml, also a first time counselor and

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president. This is my second year for

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budget committee.

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Good evening everyone. Jessie, I'm city

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manager and August will mark my 10th

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year of

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my name is Carla Kinsey. I've been a

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president of Forest Grove the last 12

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years. Uh this is my first budget

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committee um year. So thank

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you Michelle B. I moved to the area

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about 15 years ago but I've only been in

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my forever home in

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Scot. This is also my first year.

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My name is Salis Certi and I'm the

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assistant finance director for the city

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and I've only been in the position for

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six months but I've worked for the city

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for 22 years. What did you do before? I

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was the senior accountant for

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wonderful experience. Thank you.

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I am Jamie Bake. I'm executive assistant

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to our city manager and to call

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You really want to get something

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done. That's why

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I like my power director.

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with the city a little over 30 years.

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Director coming Sunday.

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So if you want to get stuff done, you

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see if you want to know something, you

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ask. All right. Thank you all very much.

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Um are there any additions or deletions

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to our agenda tonight?

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more project not discussed

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tonight off the

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list. Um All right. U then we'll launch

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into our discussion items. Those will be

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Paul. Paul Jesse Jess wants to make some

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opening. All right, Jesse. We'll turn

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the time over to the floor.

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Thank you, chair. And I'll I'll be

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brief. Um so just to kind of give a I

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know we have a lot of new budget

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committee members. Thank you for serving

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and to those who are already on the

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committee, thank you for continuing to

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serve. This is a very important

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committee. Obviously the committee kind

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of shapes and forms the budget. Budget

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process for any municipality is a very

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transparent. Um and and I kind of wanted

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to give a brief overview about kind of

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what to expect this evening but also

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throughout. Forest Grove is a as many of

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you know as a full service city and as a

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full service city we have a lot of

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services that other municipalities do

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not. What that means from a budget

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perspective is we have a lot more funds

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than a lot of cities. Uh, and as a

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result of that, there's a little bit

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more complexity and there's a lot more

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volume in our budget than you may see in

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in other budgets. Paul knows the exact

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number of funds, but

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it's plus 34. So, okay. 34. So, in case

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you're wondering, more funds doesn't

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mean more money. It means more buckets

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of money. That's exactly right. Yeah.

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year in a banual budget. Council made it

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a priority last year.

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budget and in our planning amongst the

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staff. It really does kind of change the

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focus of how we've been approaching this

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budget in this budget cycle. It really

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does land a little bit longer term

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approach. Before it was an annual

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budget. you would look one year ahead,

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years from a capital process or from the

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budgeting process

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budgeting. So, it's a little bit

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different this year and especially in

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terms of how this kind of connects to

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the levy, how this connects to state

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shared revenue. State is on the same

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banual that we're going to be on. Um,

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work to do this year. There typically is

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theformational meeting tonight and then

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after that. Right now what we're

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planning on is theformational meeting

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tonight and then three budget meetings

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after that. Um what you can kind of

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expect tonight is kind of in the title

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it's information. So Paul is gonna

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deliver a lot of information. Um, and so

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somewhat um, a little bit of kind of fun

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that we want to present, but I'd like to

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briefly because some of this is going to

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cover what Paul's going to cover

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tonight. Anytime we we are talking about

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the budget, at least from kind of a big

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picture standpoint, there's those funds

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where the money is restricted to that

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use. Okay? And that's generally like a

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self- sustaining fund. In other words,

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if a fee or a charge is charged for a

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certain use, that money could only be

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used for that particular service, you

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there. Okay? That's a self- sustaining,

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self-generating fund. We're going to

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particular attention to tonight from

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anformational basis, is the general

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fund. The general fund has more

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discretion. It has more discretion with

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the budget committee and it has more

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discretion with the city council about

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how those monies are spent. They're not

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tied to any particular service. They're

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not tied to any particular rate or fee

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where it cames from that has to go back

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to the same thing. So that's what we

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call our general fund. So when you hear

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going to be our property tax revenues,

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and departments that fund. So if you

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look at power for example, that's a

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self-sustaining fund. That's a rate

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based fund that doesn't have it's not

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going to be in the general fund. That's

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going to be their own fund. So anyways,

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um with that. Uh if you have any

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questions at any time, sometimes this

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can get complex. Sometimes there's some

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background to it. Uh, and if there is,

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please just ask Paul, ask myself, ask

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anybody on staff. We try and do our best

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to answer it. We do want to make sure

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that this is as informative and

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transparent and that you have the tools

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to kind of help guide this process as we

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That's all I have. Thank you. I do have

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a question. How will the budget impact

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the budget in terms of the off years or

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not? actually you're the first

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presentation right into it. Great segue.

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He's my setup. So

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that's what I get the pizza for. Right.

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That's right. Why you got pizza? Nobody

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else got to eat. You got for setting up.

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Okay. All right. Go ahead. One one more

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note. This is this is what since we're

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calling this anformational budget

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committee. One thing we don't do or we

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can't do is we can't discuss specifics

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for the next two years. We have not

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advertised this as our first official

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budget committee meeting where we're

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going to take testimony we're going to

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present to the public. This is more this

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is more of a set stage meeting for

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tonight and a lot of setting stage for

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the general as forward.

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So that comments we should begin.

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First thing we're going to talk about is

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by budgeting the process discussion and

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what we do.

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Is it working?

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I'll use my

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remote voice. Maybe. There we go. Okay.

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Leave that to you. All right. We'll find

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out. Okay.

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Preparing our first banial budget which

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will be effective for July 1st through

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June 30th,

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2027. What that means is all anticipated

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reven expenditures that we are aware of

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need to be for the two-year period for

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the total 2-year

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period. Some we won't know all

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expenditures. Some expenditures such as

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changes from your labor contracts will

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not be known until after twoear budget

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commences.

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funds are used when necessary to cover

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labor cost changes contract changes.

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We'll have to look at that budget. We're

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currently negotiating the police

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contract with that and next year we are

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going to

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negotiate the electrical workers

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contract and also

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for contracts.

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don't know all of the contract

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number this year. What we'll what we'll

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be what we'll ask you to do is to

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approve the bianual

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budget, establish the appropriations for

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the two-year period and set the property

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tax rates for both years. So, you'll be

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asked to approve total two years, not

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each year individually and then a total,

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you'll be asked to approve the total for

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the two years.

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and we'll set the legal appropriations

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for the total two-year

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period. Staff will monitor the expenses

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as we

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go. And uh to answer Dave's question,

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next year budget process, what we'll do

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is we'll conduct a review of the banual

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budget, how it's going, and also adopt

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any changes to the banial budget. Again,

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not all reven expenses are known when

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we're preparing and adopting this this

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first two-year budget. So, changes will

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be needed in the first year. For

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example, one change might

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be right now for the county is looking

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at the Washington County Cooperative

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Library

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Services in

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November. depending on how that vote

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goes and depending on how the I think

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they're also working on the funding for

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that funding for change based on that

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money then we'll know better for the

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second year what the actual library

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funding will be made assumption for the

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second year preparing this budget but we

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should know better next year what the

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actual revenue for the second year will

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be so that's kind of example where we

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made we went past the budget make the

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change second year.

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Oh, while you're getting that to click,

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I have a question for you.

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During the year, as life happens and

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things change, from what I understand,

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um that you have some latitude to adjust

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things in the general fund somewhat

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without having to go through a formal

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process, correct?

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We can do in the general fund that for

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examp we divide our fund balance into

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two

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things fund and an unappropriated fund

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balance. The unappropriating fund

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balance you cannot touch unless there's

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certain emergencies in those conditions

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are established by state statute. That

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was the next question.

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Contingency. The contingency contingency

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funds are funds we have there in case we

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said life happens and you have

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unexpected events. Now staff can't

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arbitrarily change to take money out of

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contingency. Staff has to go back to the

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city council and get a transfer and have

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them appropriate a transfer out of

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contingency into the expense areas where

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we need those expenses covered. So staff

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staff doesn't have I mean we staff can

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manage between say line items like so I

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can I can manage with my line items

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material services but I've got an over

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expenditure

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here I'm going to need some money at

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this line item instead of this line item

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I will manage kind of the total

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materials and services look at that but

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as long as we're not changing the

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overall appropriation I don't have to do

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anything with council we're not going to

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take money from the police to firefight

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police vice versa. That kind of thing

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within the

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police

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around

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but the contingency funds are considered

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appropriated, right? Not unable to

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expand without city council. That is

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correct.

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That's a good thing to keep in mind as

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we're going through this is appropriated

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funds and reserve funds which are not

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appropriated.

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pass. We have a certain amount that

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we're trying to maintain in those

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reserve

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funds.

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Okay. And staff's going to monitor each

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budget year separately. The revenues and

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expenditures is they're not the same for

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each year. For example, you can't spend

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50% of your personnel expenses the first

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year because your personal expenses will

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be higher will be higher the second year

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than they will the first year. budget

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cost increases they can't spend half

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your half your personel so I also spoke

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with a nearby city pills they use the

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same accounting software as we do their

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financial staff and other departments

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they monitor on a year-by-year basis as

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well and that's they they like

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monitoring it that way even though they

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know it's a two total they like

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monitoring on a yearly basis to see

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how without having to say this is for

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the this money's for the twoear period

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How does that work? How's it looking?

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They can take a quicker look at it.

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Looking at this is our first year to do

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the

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first the first time we're doing. Yes.

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What's the driving force? Driving force

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is it takes some more time the first

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year, but hopefully the second year it

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saves some time and also like Tessa

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said, it requires you to plan a little

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better because you're working it over a

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two-year period. So you look at this we

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always looked ahead but this makes you

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look ahead for that second year because

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you're actually going to budget it

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you're actually set budget and

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appropriate the funds to spend whereas

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in the normal process you just budget

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one year you meet appropriate the funds

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you meet the next year appropriate the

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funds for that following year. This year

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we're going to be a total appropriation

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for two years. So you have to really

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think about the second year as you're

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moving forward.

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to

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better accounting purposes or planning

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purposes. Planning purposes probably

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better than accounting purposes. It's

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and because the last point is we're

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still required by the law to have an

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annual financial audit even though we're

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going to banual budget that does not

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change the requirement to have an annual

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financial audit. So what you'll see on

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the first year of the first of the

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two-year

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biion ending year the fiscal year end

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for June June 30th 2026 which will be

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end of the first year

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bianium first year two years in the

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bienium when you look at the auto you

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will see the total two-year budget

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appropriation then you'll see the first

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year expenditures and you you're going

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to see a large variance on the

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expenditure side because you've got the

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second year's worth of expenditures to

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spend still. So the

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honors first your honor strange two

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period but that's just how you have to

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do it you have to report to the state on

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your expenditures on an annual basis

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we'll actually see an example Tom later

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in one of the

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presentations for example increasingly

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our our retirement system is PERS and

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when the PERS calculation comes out from

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the state it's for a ban but it all

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occurs on the first year of

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And so if we're looking at it from a

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year-to-year basis, it would be a large

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increase in one year and then nothing

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the following. So if you're looking at

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staff, if you're looking at appropriate

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expenses over that kind of two-year

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period, they give you a broader window

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in which to do that. And also from a

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capital planning perspective, too,

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whether it's replacements, additions,

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etc., you also have some more room there

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to say, you know what, I might be able

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to defer that purchase for a year, but

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this one over here broke down, so we

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kind of need to move that one up. even

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though you typically try to do that on a

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five-y year basis, you're actually kind

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of allocating money for two years. So,

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it just it it really has kind of

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facilitated some conversations

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uh in in our planning meetings um that I

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think it's intended to do, which is what

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about the following year? How do we plan

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for that? What does that look like? And

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in doing so, is Chris more kind of

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vision and and forecasting. Are

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there is it in is it in sync the two

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years with other

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entities the same for in like contracts

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you know what I'm saying the labor

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contracts is that do you're in sync with

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that or for this first one it's in sync

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with our lab right I think that was like

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kind of the goal I don't know we have

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contracts are negotiated

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different we do a couple contracts for

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this organation So anyways, I think with

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some yes, some no, but with this, and I

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don't mean to overstep on staff, but

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with this first fighting, it was really

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to try to align it with the levy. The

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levy is our operational budget.

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And I think Paul

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go pause. Well, Paul is paused for just

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a second. Let me say to our newer

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members, if you start hearing acronyms

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or terms tossed around that you don't

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know what they are, please just ask us

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because it's frustrating to not know

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what the heck people are talking about.

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So, please don't hesitate to say what

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what's an STC or whatever it is that

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we're talking

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about. All

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right. Any questions on the ban?

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I need to go to the city's website next.

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Oh,

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okay. Not for revenue

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cost factors. Number two, I'm going to I

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have to drive the bus. No problem. Let

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me

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get there.

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I know my arm is scrunched.

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She said it's cuz everybody's

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watching. Sorry to change. Last year we

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most people got an online had had got

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the online budget book. If you want a

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00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,400
paper copy, we'll still make you a paper

551
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,159
copy. But if you but you know you don't

552
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,440
ask for one, we just send you the online

553
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:05,440
book. So what I was going to do is show

554
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,840
you how to navigate through the online

555
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,840
budget book.

556
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,720
budget.

557
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,880
You'll get a link that'll take you to

558
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,360
more more quickly than I am because this

559
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:25,600
is the in the finance department. Where

560
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,720
did you miss the first?

561
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,120
You'll have a link. We'll send you a

562
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,120
link in the email.

563
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,360
I'll start again here.

564
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,600
There's

565
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:43,360
government. Then you go to excuse me

566
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,799
department

567
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:50,279
and then you'll go to finance and you

568
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,279
click budgets.

569
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,440
And after you click budgets, you'll see

570
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,960
down here there's some budget

571
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:04,000
documents and there's the online version

572
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,279
of the 24 to 25 adopted budget. I'm

573
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,200
going to use this for the example

574
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:11,320
tonight because obviously we don't have

575
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,919
the 25 to 27 proposed budget document

576
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,760
prepared.

577
00:26:12,919 --> 00:26:17,559
So click on that and then you'll click

578
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,240
on proceed to

579
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:21,720
site. This takes you to our budgeting

580
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,480
software

581
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,960
site and what this is the only page on

582
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,720
the city's website. This is the

583
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,600
essentially the table of contents for

584
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,520
the budget.

585
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,960
And there's various information on it.

586
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,000
There's the budget committee. There'll

587
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,919
be the org chart for the

588
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:45,039
city. There's the city boards and

589
00:26:42,919 --> 00:26:46,880
commissions. And then you'll see fund

590
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,640
structures and descriptions. And that

591
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,559
just kind of talks about what Jesse

592
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,480
talked about earlier talked about what

593
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:54,400
the general fund is, what the enterprise

594
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,039
funds in. This these are our funds

595
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,279
basically charge rates. And it's

596
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:01,520
essentially the light, sewer, water, and

597
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:03,200
surface water management. Then there's

598
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,240
special revenue funds which we have to

599
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,720
do by contract or by state law require

600
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,640
some for example building permits is you

601
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,159
have the streets you need to have those

602
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,520
funds by state

603
00:27:13,159 --> 00:27:17,200
law. Then we have some internal service

604
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,240
funds where we account for charges

605
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,159
between

606
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,600
funds and capital project funds. Most of

607
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:28,640
these are system development charges

608
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:31,520
funds. Um, TDT is the county

609
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,520
transportation development tax. That's

610
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,559
like that's one like for single family

611
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,159
residents. Next year you'll pay about

612
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:44,080
$12,800 in TDT tax if you build

613
00:27:39,159 --> 00:27:48,440
one. Um, bikeways, pedway, pedestrian,

614
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:50,960
that's a 1% of the gas tax. parks SDC

615
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,880
funds, capital projects funds, and then

616
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,320
the capital improvement tax, which is

617
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,919
that $3 bill you see on the utility

618
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,760
funds. Capital projects we don't really

619
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:01,520
use right now. Although the police bond

620
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,840
passes, we will be using the capital

621
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,559
projects fund to account for the

622
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,320
construction of the new police facility.

623
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,480
And we have some debt service funds. We

624
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,279
currently aren't these aren't active

625
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,960
funds, but if the levy passes in May,

626
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:18,080
the general debt service fund will

627
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,080
become active again next

628
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,960
year. Pay the debt service. That's some

629
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,960
of the fund

630
00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:27,919
descriptions. Budget, we talk about the

631
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,919
process, the budget message, the council

632
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:31,520
goals will be in there. Then there'll be

633
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:33,480
a revenue summary and expenditure

634
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,000
summary for all

635
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,480
funds. Example, the revenue summary will

636
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,039
show

637
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,760
It'll show the total revenues for by

638
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,559
fund

639
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,919
category. Then it will enterprise

640
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:50,960
funds, all the utility funds. You'll see

641
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:54,440
there's about $84 million there. General

642
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:57,240
funds about was about $36 million this

643
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,760
year, special revenue

644
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,320
funds, street funds, the big fund in

645
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,000
that one. and some of the internal

646
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,399
service funds and some of the capital

647
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,399
projects

648
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,200
budgets. The one in the budget summary

649
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,200
the one as I told the new members of

650
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,559
budget committee the budget

651
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,679
message is a good place to spend some

652
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:24,399
time on this is where we summarize a lot

653
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:26,880
of what's going to happen and then it'll

654
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:28,960
be the next two years next year. of the

655
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,200
budget message. We'll we'll start out

656
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,960
and we'll go overall budget discuss

657
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,159
staffing any staffing changes we're

658
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,039
going to

659
00:29:35,159 --> 00:29:39,200
propose a little bit about the local

660
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,159
option levy when it expires wage

661
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,760
increases we know retirement overall

662
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:46,799
overall insurance and then we'll go fund

663
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640
we'll start with the general fund and

664
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:51,080
we'll go department by department and if

665
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,000
the department has a significant change

666
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,320
proposed you'll see those changes

667
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,799
described in each of these departments

668
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,880
section. So, like I said, you want to

669
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,559
spend some good time on this when you're

670
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,279
looking at it. This is this is a good

671
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,880
budget message is a good thing to read.

672
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,559
We've put a lot of time into putting the

673
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,159
budget message out to try to make it

674
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:13,960
when we're writing it to make it as

675
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:13,960
formative as we can.

676
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:23,200
Message this year is not done yet,

677
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:25,279
right? Not even started. So that's

678
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,679
well it started in my mind in Jesse's

679
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,559
mind but we're actually actually when

680
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:30,080
we're when we're going through

681
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,760
departmental budget because we're making

682
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,279
notes make sure we include this in the

683
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,720
budget that says make sure we include

684
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,720
this in the budget. So we're we're

685
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,240
starting a list a list of what we want

686
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,760
to be putting in the budget message as

687
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,600
we're going through

688
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,279
them. And I'll just use I'm just going

689
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,200
to show a couple examples. I'm not going

690
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,039
to go through everything in here. For

691
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,799
example, there's a resource summary for

692
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:53,039
the general fund since there's several

693
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:53,039
different

694
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,440
areas. So, you'll see the general fund.

695
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,320
You'll see the various sections that we

696
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,679
have. Local taxes, intergovernmental

697
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,279
revenue. These are the sections that we

698
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:10,799
use for general fund

699
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:13,880
revenues. And if you want more detail,

700
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:18,000
you'll see there's like 14.4 $4 million

701
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:20,880
here adopted for local taxes, about $3.6

702
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,720
million for intergovernmental revenue.

703
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Go down here, you'll see this little

704
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,760
view report in blue.

705
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,039
If you click on

706
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,039
that, that will expand it for

707
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:40,279
you and you can see it graphically,

708
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,039
which okay,

709
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:45,919
but or you can go down here. Then you'll

710
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:48,159
see you'll see the it'll show you the

711
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:50,880
section again that we did you just kind

712
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:53,600
of saw in the budget book. Then for

713
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,440
example, you know, of these local taxes,

714
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,960
how much is the regular, how much is our

715
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880
permanent rate tax, how much is our

716
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,320
local

717
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:05,360
option. This little black arrow

718
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,600
here, if you click on it, it will expand

719
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,840
it. I'll expand and show you what that

720
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:14,159
$14.4 million consists of. It's about

721
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,799
$8.7 million, which is our permanent

722
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:19,760
rate tax. The local auction levy is

723
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:22,000
going to be about 4.4 4.4 4 million this

724
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,559
year. Prior property taxes, you're

725
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,960
always collecting some back taxes.

726
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,640
City's marijuana tax projecting about

727
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,679
190,000. Franchise taxes we charge.

728
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,559
That's like cable TV, waste management,

729
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:38,799
Northwest Natural Gas. That's 5%

730
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,600
franchise fees we charge on those.

731
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,760
That's about

732
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,039
803,000 in budgeted. And then uh the

733
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,039
transient room

734
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,039
tax

735
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:57,360
137,500. This is the money we get from

736
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,039
the county on that. So and you can do

737
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,159
that on any one of them. For example, in

738
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:04,480
the governmental revenue, you

739
00:33:01,159 --> 00:33:07,039
click and you'll see it'll give you the

740
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,360
the c what the revenue line item detail

741
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:13,519
in those in there is.

742
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,960
So for example at WCCCLS we're expecting

743
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:18,519
about 97

744
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,279
$977,000 this year

745
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:24,919
rounded ro fire district will be about

746
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:27,720
835 state revenue

747
00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:30,640
sharing about

748
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,519
386 alcohol beverages which is also

749
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,440
state shared revenue is about 585,000 so

750
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,679
you can you can go through these and you

751
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,480
can see the detail details by the

752
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:42,640
sections in here.

753
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,080
This is open to the public. Yeah. Hey,

754
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,840
this is this is right off the city's

755
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,840
website right now.

756
00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:56,960
Yeah. And now I clicking go back the

757
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,399
correct way, I won't lose everybody. Are

758
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:03,200
these also showing our contingency

759
00:33:59,399 --> 00:34:07,159
funds, unallocated funds? Yeah.

760
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,159
No, I'm just going to click that.

761
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:13,320
on the adopted budget. If I go back now,

762
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,879
I want to go

763
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,399
back. Let's say for

764
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:20,000
example, the general fund. I mean, we've

765
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:21,200
got several and we've got all the

766
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,800
departments under the general fund.

767
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,079
Legislative, executive, administrative

768
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:29,240
services, the court, library, aquatic

769
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,760
center, parks, recreation, and

770
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:33,520
police,

771
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,119
fire, planning, economic development,

772
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,040
engineering.

773
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:39,560
But the for the general fund we have

774
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,679
what we have the non-dep departmental

775
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,040
section and for example when you go to

776
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:47,240
the general fund if you go down

777
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:51,200
here that will

778
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:53,599
show this will show the revenues and the

779
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,280
fund balances that are available. But

780
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,400
you go down to a budget

781
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,920
expenditures out of budget expenditures

782
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,760
what you'll see is there's a little bit

783
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:05,119
of personnel services materials and

784
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,720
services this year. Here's the general

785
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:09,520
fund. We budgeted a million dollars for

786
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:11,760
contingency this year of and then the

787
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,040
remaining fund balance expected fund

788
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,480
balance was about $6.2 million. So

789
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,280
that's the unappropriating. Yeah, that's

790
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:22,480
the this is the unappropriating fun you

791
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,320
go to. Yeah, that's what we don't

792
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,599
the reserve. Yeah, that's the reserves

793
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,160
that we can't touch unless there's

794
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,160
something goes wrong.

795
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,640
And each fund each most of the operating

796
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,400
funds will have a contingency like

797
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,000
capital funds and I mean most some of

798
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,520
the other funds we don't we don't put

799
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,680
contingency in every fund because it

800
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,520
doesn't need it. But the operating funds

801
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,599
we typically will put contingencies in

802
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,240
because you may need to take out some

803
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,240
contingency

804
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:58,200
funds. So I'm going to use I'll use

805
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,200
police as the expenditure example.

806
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,680
If you click on

807
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,440
police talks about the mission

808
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:10,720
statement, department overview and the

809
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,520
departmental goals and budget resources.

810
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,240
It will show what resources are assigned

811
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,680
to the

812
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:19,920
police. Most of its grants and some of

813
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,750
its charges for services.

814
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Intergovernmental revenue is

815
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:26,079
[Music]

816
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,599
one. I'm probably thinking about making

817
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:30,320
a change. I've been thinking about this

818
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,320
for a while.

819
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:39,760
You'll see intergovernmental

820
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,680
revenue. We assign there's two items for

821
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,920
intergovernmental re. The alcohol

822
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,599
beverages and there's the school

823
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,960
resource officer

824
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:51,280
reimbursement. The alcoholic beverages

825
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,880
are are actually unrestricted state

826
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,760
shared revenue, but the city's always

827
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,920
assigned them to the police department.

828
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,079
thinking about moving them back into the

829
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,119
non-EP

830
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,720
departmental revenue. So, it's not

831
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,359
assigned to the police department.

832
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:07,359
Because, for example, let's say these

833
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:09,680
state shared re the alcoholic beverages

834
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:10,800
got cut in half. Does that mean I'm

835
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,800
going to say that the police department

836
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,720
I want you to take $300,000 out of your

837
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,640
budget next year because this revenue

838
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:20,960
that you have no ability to affect is

839
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,160
going in half. It doesn't. So, I'm

840
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,200
probably going to move that back into

841
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,240
the unrest to the non-governmental,

842
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,680
which is where we put the unassigned

843
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,839
revenue. So, it makes it makes more

844
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,359
sense to me to put this in the

845
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:37,599
unassigned revenue than it does

846
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:41,200
specifically in the police budget.

847
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,320
Thank you. Um, so that was just one

848
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,920
company wanted to make on the one

849
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,920
revenue for the sh.

850
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,839
So, so

851
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:53,520
expenditures, police, we've got it just

852
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:55,440
shows the overall categories right here.

853
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,680
The personnel services, materials and

854
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,640
services, and capital outlay on the

855
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:04,400
summary sheet for the police budget.

856
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Again, if you click on the view

857
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,480
report, you'll get the graph. And the

858
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,920
graph shows personnel services and

859
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,000
materials and services. And they have

860
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,720
just a little bit of capital outlay, but

861
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,160
too on the scheme of this graph, it's

862
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,000
going to be too small to show up.

863
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,160
So, so personnel services, if you want

864
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,920
to know what personnel services consist

865
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,160
of, again, you click on that little

866
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,480
black

867
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,560
arrow, it will show

868
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,400
you regular

869
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:40,720
employees, intermittent employees,

870
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:44,160
overtime, health, dental, retirement for

871
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,839
the defined benefit plan, PERS. Some

872
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,000
officers are on the find benefit plan.

873
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:51,560
Some of them are on PERS such as the

874
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Medicare workers comp and other payroll

875
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,240
taxes. Then if you click on materials

876
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,240
and

877
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,960
services, it will take you down and show

878
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,119
you all their materials and services

879
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,240
line

880
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,920
items, operating supplies,

881
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:09,480
organizational business expenses, their

882
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,640
personnel uniforms, utilities, and so

883
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,760
forth. One of their major charges for

884
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,240
them is their is the Washington County

885
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,640
Consolidated Communications Agency or

886
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,079
WACA as we refer to it. That's about

887
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,240
$370,000 for dispatch fees for the

888
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,000
police.

889
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:30,079
Well, somebody might wonder why there is

890
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,839
more capital equipment since they drive

891
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,160
vehicles and things like that. I'm sure

892
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:37,760
you'll explain that. I can explain that.

893
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:40,400
And then you'll see their other large

894
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,560
expense for them. One of their large

895
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,800
expense is the equipment fund charge.

896
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Now, this is just their charge for the

897
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,240
operation of their vehicles like

898
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,720
insurance, fuel, repairs, and all that.

899
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,720
That's about

900
00:39:54,040 --> 00:40:00,079
$287,000 for the police vehicles.

901
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,280
titans. Um, we purchase those from the

902
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:05,920
equipment. The equipment fund purchases

903
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,000
the general fund vehicles and then quote

904
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,079
rents them out to the general to the

905
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,200
general fund departments based on the

906
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:15,040
replacement cost of that vehicle. For

907
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,000
example, Ford Explorer patrol vehicle we

908
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,440
keep five years. We buy a new patrol

909
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,720
vehicle. We have the cash saved up to

910
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,920
buy that vehicle and then we certain the

911
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:28,480
police pay the equivalent of of that

912
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,240
rental advertised over five years. So

913
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,920
when the next vehicle is due, we have

914
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,680
the money saved up. We all we do

915
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,880
equipment fund. We always have on a pay

916
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:39,240
as you go pay as you go basis. So, but

917
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,160
you won't see equipment fund rental in

918
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:44,320
here or the actual vehicles because it

919
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,000
comes out of the a different fund which

920
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,680
I'll explain during the budget process.

921
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,560
But the equipment fund buys all the

922
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,920
general fund

923
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,400
vehicles except for fire fun. They buy

924
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,319
their own vehicles. Information system

925
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,319
charges. This is the charges for their

926
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:59,920
mobile data the rental for their mobile

927
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:02,160
data terminals and they're prorated to

928
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:05,359
share their desktops and their pror

929
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,359
share of the city's uh network hardware

930
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:09,440
servers and everything else. So they're

931
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:11,200
also charged the rental for all the

932
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,880
information systeming funds. It's also

933
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,920
pay me.

934
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:21,599
So and these line items correspond to

935
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,280
line these each of these correspond to a

936
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,720
specific line item in our accounting

937
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,440
system. So we just don't put the account

938
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,440
numbers here. But this is each of these

939
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,839
is a specific account number in our

940
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,839
accounting

941
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,000
system. Capital outlay. Most general

942
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,960
funds don't have a lot of capital

943
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:43,200
outlay. Um materials they do major tools

944
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,599
work. They do $10,000 a year for them.

945
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,839
That's to replace that's to replace

946
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,839
weapons. Weapons wear out over time. And

947
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:53,280
so you've got to purchase new weapons,

948
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:54,960
new shotguns, new AR-15s.

949
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,720
handguns, such things of that nature

950
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,560
because they they do wear

951
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:03,119
out. They do use them. They do use them

952
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,119
a lot for

953
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,240
practice. So, that's how you can

954
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:11,200
navigate through the budget book. And

955
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:15,440
you can do that on any, like I said, you

956
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,280
can click on any of the pages in there.

957
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,280
Paul, do you have one of these for every

958
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,880
fund then? I'm assuming you're not going

959
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,240
to go through every fun. Oh, no, no, no.

960
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,440
This is just an example I was giving

961
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:27,119
tonight. No, I was just that that place

962
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,880
I spent more time on because that was

963
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:34,359
the example of how to maneuver through

964
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:37,119
this. Okay. Yes. Uh when do you

965
00:42:34,359 --> 00:42:40,160
expect this to be given to the budget

966
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,400
committee? May 6th. And when's our first

967
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,359
May 13th May 13. We put it out a week

968
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,359
before the first budget committee.

969
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:57,920
So, there's no other questions on how to

970
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:02,839
navigate it, but this it it works well

971
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,839
if you and you can keep digging down and

972
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:10,560
um question. So, you're going to give it

973
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:12,520
out to us May 6. And if budget committee

974
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,200
members have

975
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,040
questions and the meetings on the 13th,

976
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,960
would you like when would you like

977
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,480
questions? I mean I I mean the answer

978
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,359
staff always likes to give us as soon as

979
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,800
possible of course but it's we get

980
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:28,200
questions say by Friday or even

981
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,040
sometimes on

982
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,680
day we'll try to put try to put answers

983
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:38,119
together.

984
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,119
Is that going to be enough time for you

985
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:42,000
depends how detailed the questions are.

986
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,240
Some of Dave's questions we struggle

987
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,560
with.

988
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:49,040
I'll give you much time as I can type

989
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:53,319
questions.

990
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,319
Always asking for weird stuff.

991
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Well, and if one counselor and some one

992
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,000
committee member asks a question, we

993
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,599
give the answers to all of the committee

994
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,920
members. So, we don't just answer for

995
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:08,000
the one one committee member.

996
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,160
So, I shall turn this back over. Okay.

997
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,079
And you are going to have the city

998
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,079
council objectives. Yeah.

999
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Next

1000
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,480
transition kind of raise a process

1001
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:38,000
question for for me. Since

1002
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,480
uh deliberations would have to be in

1003
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,440
public, would you prefer that individual

1004
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,359
budget members directly direct questions

1005
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,760
to you individually and then you can

1006
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:49,520
prepare answers that you can email. You

1007
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,920
can email them and then we we give the

1008
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,800
answers

1009
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:58,000
out their answer.

1010
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,800
Right. So not exchange.

1011
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Yeah. So there's no

1012
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:07,480
violation question each way. you send

1013
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,480
your questions then answers.

1014
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:19,400
Hey, I'm Jesse goals and objectives.

1015
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,400
So, I'll just take a few minutes.

1016
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,560
Thank you. Um, so for the council, this

1017
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,240
is a

1018
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160
give you for the budget committee

1019
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,160
members. Every year the city council

1020
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,280
goes

1021
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:43,400
through the goals and objectives

1022
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:47,200
process. Um it's in the council

1023
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:50,599
rules. Um and as part of that process um

1024
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,520
they may or extended or retreat and

1025
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:55,200
then work sessions and come up with

1026
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,680
goals and objectives. The purpose of the

1027
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,480
goals and objectives is to set the

1028
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,319
strategic policy direction for the city

1029
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,599
for the for the following year and in

1030
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:07,680
some cases two and even three years.

1031
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:10,960
Staff, this is really a blueprint for

1032
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,040
us. What what we do is staff takes city

1033
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,960
council's goals and objectives and we

1034
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:20,000
work those into the budget. This has

1035
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:22,400
a large influence on the budget. And so

1036
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,640
you'll see connections between the goals

1037
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,280
and objectives and what's in the budget.

1038
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,880
And so for example, if we're looking at

1039
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,040
updating an economic development

1040
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,440
strategic plan, we want to do that

1041
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,280
within a year and that requires the

1042
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,720
hiring of a consultant. I don't think

1043
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,040
this one does, but let's just assume it

1044
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,400
does for

1045
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,160
purp. We may put what we think the

1046
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,319
estimated cost of that consultant would

1047
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,839
be. In this case, we put it in the first

1048
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:47,839
year of the budget and that would

1049
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:49,760
address that total and objective or at

1050
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:53,119
least have resources to be able to

1051
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,960
address that goal of objective. Um, for

1052
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:58,960
the purposes of this conversation today,

1053
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:01,040
this is public. Um, I

1054
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,400
um it's available on the website. If you

1055
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,839
would like copies, we also have

1056
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,200
copies of your budget books. When that's

1057
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:09,520
handed out, they will be part of the

1058
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,760
budget book. Um, I'm not going to go

1059
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,160
over every objective. I do want to cover

1060
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,920
however some of the broader goals

1061
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,240
because there was some changes this year

1062
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,520
that the council

1063
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:21,280
made. Before doing that though, I also

1064
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,720
want to make a comment. I think many of

1065
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,760
you are probably pretty familiar with

1066
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,680
the 2040 process that's going on right

1067
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,359
now. We have a 2040 vision plan. It's

1068
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,800
one of the if not the first time the

1069
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:32,400
city's ever done it. It's got to be

1070
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,119
pretty close because the last vision we

1071
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,720
had was from 2009 and it was not near

1072
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:39,280
the amount of community engagement that

1073
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,359
we've had with this process. Under the

1074
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,680
current 2040 process, the idea behind a

1075
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:45,839
2040 plan is obviously to look out 15

1076
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,359
years. It's really to kind of challenge

1077
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:49,040
the community about what type of

1078
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:50,720
community do you want to be in the next

1079
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,000
15 years? What are your aspirations?

1080
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:54,480
What are your goals? What are we doing

1081
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,160
right? What do we need to do better? Um,

1082
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,760
and the community engagement in this

1083
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:02,160
project so far has been um very

1084
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:05,040
thorough. Uh there's been farmers

1085
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,480
markets electric survey and fire

1086
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,640
consultants to make sure that we're

1087
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,119
reaching those folks that historically

1088
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,720
don't don't participate in these

1089
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:15,359
processes. Uh they have any kind of

1090
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,839
barriers to participation. We've gotten

1091
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:19,680
a lot of feedback so far. All of that

1092
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:22,079
feedback we're calling you know we're

1093
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,599
just basically community engagement. Our

1094
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,079
consultants have kind of amalgamated

1095
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,400
that feedback into some broader themes.

1096
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:30,720
Um, and right now, as you may have

1097
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,800
heard, we're having vision labs. The

1098
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:35,599
vision labs are essentially meetings

1099
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:38,480
about what the themes are and a draft

1100
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:40,400
vision statement. And so, we're getting

1101
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,079
even more robust community engagement

1102
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,240
right now through our vision labs. We've

1103
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:46,520
had great

1104
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:48,960
participation. All of this input, all of

1105
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,880
our community input from all the

1106
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,640
residents. All this is eventually going

1107
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,040
to kind of get categorized. It's going

1108
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,680
to get put into themes, objectives,

1109
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,839
goals, vision. Eventually, it's going to

1110
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,079
make its way to the city council. And

1111
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:03,599
when the city council looks at it, of

1112
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,599
course, they'll take all of this kind of

1113
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,680
into consideration and promulgate what

1114
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,599
this what the goals, objectives long

1115
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,880
term are going to be for the city in the

1116
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:13,559
2040 plan that will eventually kind of,

1117
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,559
you

1118
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:18,000
know, be consistent with these goals and

1119
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,319
objectives. And so these will kind of

1120
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,480
feed into that broader framework. Very

1121
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:24,319
similar to a bannual budget being a

1122
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,720
little longer term framework for

1123
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:29,280
allocating resources. 2020 plan is going

1124
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:32,040
to be an even longer term framework for

1125
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,079
policy analysis, for budgeting, for

1126
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,440
resourcing really to kind of make sure

1127
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,520
that everything we're doing is

1128
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,760
consistent. It has resources allocated

1129
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:45,119
to it and going in a direction wants to

1130
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:47,040
go to. So, so we're pretty excited about

1131
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,680
that because you won't see it on this

1132
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,920
document this year, but it's definitely

1133
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,440
starting to be talked about how it's

1134
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,760
connected to this, how this will feed

1135
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,960
into

1136
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,119
that. So, you you'll be hearing more

1137
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,359
about that. Um, but let's just cover

1138
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,960
goal one. Rule one, broadly speaking,

1139
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:04,319
address long-term growth that support

1140
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,720
housing. You'll see a number of

1141
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:08,319
objectives under there. We will see some

1142
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:11,040
budget things associated with that.

1143
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,520
We're gonna have a budget um allocation

1144
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,520
for the comprehens.

1145
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:21,119
I'm sorry. That's okay. I'm not used to

1146
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:24,640
the two screen um

1147
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:26,800
the two screens. You didn't pop up your

1148
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,920
card.

1149
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,440
I'm playing solitire. Yeah.

1150
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,200
So, if you if you could scroll down

1151
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,720
maybe Jamie real quick, you will see

1152
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,720
something. The comprehensive plan. The

1153
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:38,400
comprehensive plan is a very broad-based

1154
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,319
document that's got a number of planning

1155
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,680
documents underneath it for the city.

1156
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:43,520
It's something that we address on a

1157
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,040
long-term basis. So, we'll have some

1158
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:50,079
resources associated with that. Um, keep

1159
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,000
going if you would. So, the second goal,

1160
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,839
ensure an inclusive, accessible, and

1161
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,000
sustainable community. This goal got

1162
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:57,520
slightly changed this year. Um, if

1163
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,359
you'll scroll down a little bit, that's

1164
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,280
where you do see the 2040 vision and

1165
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:02,559
action plan. I think you will see some

1166
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,319
budget associated with that because

1167
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,280
we're still working on it. You'll

1168
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:08,960
probably see some things associated with

1169
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,119
DEI, associated with urban renewal,

1170
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,720
community academy. As I look down this

1171
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:14,440
list, there's going to be something in

1172
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,240
the budget for all of these things

1173
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,079
virtually. Accessibility and

1174
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,559
compensation that was talked about a

1175
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,760
little bit earlier.

1176
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:24,319
Um parks maintenance, we're doing that

1177
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,680
evaluation right now. And then a parking

1178
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:27,520
demand management plan. You'll see

1179
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,400
something in the budget about that. Keep

1180
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:33,520
scrolling down. Next goal is maintain

1181
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,280
community safety and wellbeing. So

1182
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,599
again, a lot of when we say we put this

1183
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,440
into the budget, sometimes city staff

1184
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,960
can do this. And if we just need some

1185
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,960
resources associated with that, it's

1186
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,559
probably not a very big budget item.

1187
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,240
It's something that's really outside of

1188
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,000
staff's expertise or we simply don't

1189
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:50,400
have the bandwidth to do it. A lot of

1190
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,240
times we'll need to hire a consultant,

1191
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,319
somebody that's has expertise in that

1192
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,240
area that knows how to do either the

1193
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:58,559
planning or the design or construction

1194
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:00,800
or the alternatives analysis. And so

1195
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:04,200
that's when I say request I may refer to

1196
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:08,079
that. If you keep scrolling down

1197
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,079
um kind of read those

1198
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:13,599
objectives let's go to the next

1199
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:16,079
goal enhance recreation opportunities

1200
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:18,880
for all. I think this is our last goal

1201
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:21,000
and again you'll see budget items and

1202
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:24,079
virtually all these whether it's Kyle

1203
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:27,040
Park master plan many of these things

1204
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:29,520
just broader kind of picture if there

1205
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,200
are grant programs that are eligible for

1206
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,319
some of these goals and objectives we

1207
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:37,040
always try so if you're looking at Kyle

1208
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:39,760
Park for course loop trail I think we've

1209
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,839
received in talking with director Ann

1210
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,280
lane she's been terrific about paying

1211
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:47,119
grants and I think we've received over 5

1212
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,760
$500,000 in grants for some of those

1213
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:51,359
planning processes. Another example,

1214
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,240
Keith has done a wonderful job getting

1215
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:56,880
grants from Department of Energy for

1216
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:59,839
mitigating wildfire and that urban rural

1217
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,160
interface. And so we definitely tried to

1218
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:04,079
do that first. Uh if there's a matching

1219
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,079
component, so oftent times in a grant

1220
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,680
you'll get $100,000, but the city has to

1221
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:11,920
pony up 10%.

1222
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,359
$10,000. You'll see the $100,000 in in

1223
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,880
the budget because we have to account

1224
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:16,559
for every all the money that comes in

1225
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,920
but it will be 100 coming in 100 going

1226
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:21,440
out and then you'll see matching

1227
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:25,559
funds,000 numbers that we need to match.

1228
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,559
So that'll be

1229
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,040
so that that's that's all I have. Do we

1230
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:33,200
only show grant monies once when it has

1231
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,160
been awarded?

1232
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,000
It's a great question. Yes, we if we

1233
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,079
have applied for a grant and not

1234
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,359
received an award, it's not in the

1235
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:45,920
budget. We have received an award and we

1236
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:48,400
expect to take receipt of money, then we

1237
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,400
will put it. So, in today's environment,

1238
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,000
we know that having been awarded the

1239
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,160
funds, but not receiving the funds

1240
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,359
leaves you still in a very iffy

1241
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,440
proposition. It does. Yeah. But lately,

1242
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,880
and I I kind of briefed the the council

1243
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,960
on this a little bit last night in my

1244
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,040
city manager comments, we're doing

1245
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,559
everything we can and not only kind of

1246
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,000
if we've been awarded, we're doing

1247
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,960
everything we can to get a grant

1248
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:14,559
agreement associated with it. Um, and to

1249
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,480
obligate the funds and so we're we're

1250
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,240
busy trying to advance those projects as

1251
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,359
quick as we can and obligate those

1252
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:23,520
funds. um if you can get a it's one

1253
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:25,359
thing to have it be awarded, it's

1254
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,440
another thing to have it obligated. It's

1255
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:29,960
just kind of another level of assurance,

1256
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,800
so to speak. And

1257
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,160
so I updated last night that four

1258
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:38,319
different grants that we have over the

1259
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,599
past three weeks obligated where we were

1260
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:42,119
reported, but now we've signed

1261
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:44,599
agreements with other entities to

1262
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:48,880
follow and that's

1263
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:48,880
just doing our best on that.

1264
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,240
That's all I have.

1265
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,319
I guess any questions? Sorry.

1266
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:07,800
I will send out the goals and objectives

1267
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,800
document to the group after the meeting.

1268
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,599
Is there a way to like maybe on the

1269
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,559
website on that finance with the budget

1270
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:19,040
like at the top to say these are the

1271
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:22,640
four I mean is there four overarching

1272
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:24,160
goals? Yeah. Like I think it would be I

1273
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,240
mean it's probably just a teacher and me

1274
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,640
but I think it would be really cool just

1275
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,800
to show that linkage like these are our

1276
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,280
goals and objectives and that so this

1277
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,960
budget those goals drive the budget

1278
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:40,800
right so that's the personal linkage but

1279
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,880
I could I don't want I think that like

1280
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,200
for

1281
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,200
transparency public do

1282
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,720
and also list our values we didn't cover

1283
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,000
those council has routinely accepted to

1284
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,920
be adopted some values that are

1285
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,880
associated with that. Whether it's

1286
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,760
inclusiveness, whether it's financial

1287
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,440
sustainability, whether it's long-term

1288
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,480
strategic planning, those values are

1289
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,240
also associated and factored into all of

1290
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,200
these deliberations that we have both at

1291
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:11,200
the committee level and just to clarify,

1292
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,079
are you requesting that the goals and

1293
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,720
objectives and values be listed on in

1294
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:21,440
the budget book within that section of

1295
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:23,680
the web? Are the web page like

1296
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,760
pages.

1297
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:29,440
Yeah. Anyways, we can talk about that.

1298
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Okay. Are you asking for a I wanted an

1299
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,640
easy interface.

1300
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,799
There will

1301
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:41,160
be when we do, we'll ask Stephanie to

1302
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:41,160
put the proposed budget, but

1303
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,920
yeah. Someone who's not doing the budget

1304
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:50,240
should see if it's obvious. Yeah.

1305
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,680
Sorry. Someone who has I want to clarify

1306
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,359
one thing. I don't think you're asking

1307
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,640
this, but let me check. Are you asking

1308
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:58,720
that when the goals are listed if

1309
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,640
there's some hyperlink from specific

1310
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:03,960
goal to specific budget items?

1311
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,960
Absolutely not.

1312
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:11,119
[Music]

1313
00:57:06,910 --> 00:57:12,920
[Laughter]

1314
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:15,280
That's why I was requesting the

1315
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,520
clarification. I'm happy to do it if if

1316
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,880
I can.

1317
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,880
We'll get it figured out.

1318
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:38,880
We're just going to go through

1319
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:42,000
some stuff to kind of set the stage for

1320
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:44,839
the 2527 budget.

1321
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:47,119
Most of this is again general fund

1322
00:57:44,839 --> 00:57:49,040
related again purpose to help set the

1323
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,720
stage and discuss some of the

1324
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:54,400
assumptions that we're using when we

1325
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:59,160
prepare 257 budget without getting the

1326
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:01,400
specific expenditures amounts for those

1327
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,440
expenditures. Property tax

1328
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:07,599
revenue we're going to we're going to

1329
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,839
use a 4.25% 25% increase that decreases

1330
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:12,640
value for both both of the two fiscal

1331
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:13,720
years of the next banial budget uh based

1332
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,240
on the

1333
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,559
last increase over the last four years

1334
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,280
and continue development and what's left

1335
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:23,359
for

1336
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,960
development some potential industrial

1337
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:27,359
development coming through that

1338
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,680
increases reasonable for us you know we

1339
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:32,960
don't get the industrial development

1340
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,359
right we have some enterprise zones that

1341
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,599
are starting to expire. So to assess

1342
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:39,599
value off some prior industrial

1343
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:46,480
development state shared revenues

1344
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:49,319
projects a little bit in 2526 about

1345
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,319
between all four of them probably about

1346
00:58:49,319 --> 00:58:56,000
$60,000 total and that that will start

1347
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:56,000
to increase again fiscal year

1348
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:04,440
2627. Um for the specific some some

1349
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:07,760
specific examples for the

1350
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:10,640
library we're projecting the Washington

1351
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,880
County library system revenue to

1352
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:16,280
increase 1% growth year already

1353
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,640
mentioned this 25 26 and 26

1354
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:22,000
27 we will know what the county is

1355
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:24,680
planning to do for fiscal year 25 26 on

1356
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:29,359
April 29th

1357
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,359
2025 is going to release their budget 28

1358
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,960
April next year and then for 2627 and

1359
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,040
future fiscal years we won't know what

1360
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,599
the projection for that revenue will be

1361
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,760
again until after the results in the

1362
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:45,480
November 2025 levy is known funding

1363
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,480
formula is finalized

1364
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:53,760
but didn't

1365
00:59:50,359 --> 00:59:55,480
doesn't prefer like option of funding

1366
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,760
haven't they kind of released a funding

1367
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:01,839
mechanism that they use like or I I mean

1368
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:05,119
yeah for the library. So I guess yeah I

1369
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:07,200
want to like just make this quicker. Uh

1370
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:09,440
shouldn't we have a couple like

1371
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,040
forecasted options based on what they're

1372
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,520
recommending or at least what they're

1373
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,960
recommending happen? So there's there's

1374
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,680
a couple things that play into this and

1375
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,200
and for for those that haven't kind of

1376
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,480
mentioned the budget process. The reason

1377
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,839
1% is significant in this

1378
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,760
context and I don't know the exact

1379
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:28,880
figure I'll correct me if I'm wrong but

1380
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:32,119
I think approximately 55% of the library

1381
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,319
funding actually comes from comes from

1382
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:37,200
WCCLS. We've historically always

1383
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:38,960
received a 3% increase on a per basis

1384
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,520
which was attached to essentially the

1385
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,319
assessed value in the general fund that

1386
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,160
come from the county to the city.

1387
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:47,760
they have lowered that percentage down.

1388
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,640
They the county has lowered that

1389
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,040
percentage to one to two% on a random

1390
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,280
basis. And so even though it's an

1391
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,119
increase, thus the amount of projected

1392
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,559
revenue that we would otherwise have is

1393
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:03,040
a little bit less. And and it's and so

1394
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,720
it it just creates

1395
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,559
um some challenges for the library and

1396
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,079
some some challenges for the city. What

1397
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,760
the county is looking at at this point

1398
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:12,160
and what they've talked about openly at

1399
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:14,920
the board of commission meetings is they

1400
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,599
want to replace the existing library

1401
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,119
levy and what they are looking at they

1402
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,280
haven't voted on it yet but they're

1403
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:25,319
looking at voting on it consensus at the

1404
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:29,559
work session to increase it 15 cents

1405
01:01:25,319 --> 01:01:29,559
um calling in

1406
01:01:29,799 --> 01:01:35,680
22 so from 22 to 37 they did some they

1407
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,760
did some polling

1408
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:41,200
The polling at the time was

1409
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:44,720
generally generally pretty good.

1410
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:47,920
Libraries have pretty good um public

1411
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,920
approval in Washington County. Um that

1412
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:54,400
poll was done about two two months ago.

1413
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,480
Are they planning on polling that again?

1414
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,720
I don't know.

1415
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,119
They're going to pull that yesterday

1416
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,760
public. Yeah, that was that was one of

1417
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:05,280
the the kind of constraints on the poll

1418
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,040
is that it was not necessarily

1419
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,160
juxtaposed to the public safety levy

1420
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,599
which is also looking for

1421
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,119
replacements. So the context of just

1422
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:14,720
asking for the library changes a little

1423
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,359
bit if you ask for it in the context of

1424
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:21,280
replacing two liies. We're going to look

1425
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:22,960
at doing some additional I guess my I'm

1426
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,839
not speaking super clear right now. So

1427
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:28,880
I'm going to clarify my question. I

1428
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:32,079
remember that the recommendation by this

1429
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:35,440
consultant was to fund li to find fund

1430
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:37,520
all libraries at the same amount for

1431
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:41,599
open hours or like however many hours.

1432
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:44,400
So my question is we have a general idea

1433
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:47,200
of what they're going to fund that

1434
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,599
gives. So can't we I guess I'm just not

1435
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:52,880
understanding why we can't have some

1436
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:55,280
sort of educated guess about because you

1437
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,280
don't know

1438
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,920
theology. I mean you might know the

1439
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,400
formula. Well you would either know the

1440
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,920
le passing or the not passing and the

1441
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,559
formulas. But basically what I'm saying

1442
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:11,720
is that you have some information to to

1443
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:11,720
have like a fall to have two different

1444
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:18,160
one. I I would also caveat by saying

1445
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,000
WCCCLS, excuse me, the consultants are

1446
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:24,559
right now are literally kind of meeting

1447
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:26,480
with the library directors um and and to

1448
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:28,400
a certain extent the city managers and

1449
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,280
trying to sharpen up on what that will

1450
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,119
be like if the money doesn't pass, what

1451
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,160
the revenue forecast would be, what the

1452
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:37,599
funding formula would be. So, I'm not

1453
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,599
sure when some of those changes will

1454
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:41,920
take effect. I think there's a couple

1455
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:44,000
assumptions we can assume. one is if it

1456
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,520
does pass there's going to be a certain

1457
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,200
amount of funding available and if it

1458
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,119
doesn't pass there's going to be another

1459
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,839
amount of funding available and I think

1460
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:54,640
we can as information comes in during

1461
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:56,880
the kind of consulting process we'll be

1462
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,119
able to sharpen that estimate up because

1463
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:02,559
there is going to be there's going to be

1464
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,559
two different estimates for

1465
01:04:07,799 --> 01:04:13,039
sure we imagine that's material

1466
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:17,400
Some of that's going to be consolidating

1467
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:17,400
services the collection

1468
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,480
change how we do business.

1469
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:47,039
I don't think we know that yet

1470
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:49,160
definitively because we don't have the

1471
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:52,480
agreement yet on how

1472
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:55,520
the this new proposal to do things

1473
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,599
countywide is going to work. So, we

1474
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,119
don't have a plan yet that says this is

1475
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,720
what that's going to look like and as a

1476
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:04,039
result of that plan, this is what's

1477
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,039
going to happen.

1478
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:21,039
That what's been talked about is

1479
01:05:18,839 --> 01:05:23,359
teachers. The specific function that

1480
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:24,640
they've talked about is collections.

1481
01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:28,000
There's a lot of elements to

1482
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:30,079
collections. Um there's selecting,

1483
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,039
there's cataloging, there's sorting,

1484
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:34,799
there's actually putting on the shelves,

1485
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:37,280
there's delivering, there's so there's a

1486
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:39,799
whole kind of and that conversation I

1487
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:42,000
think is probably all to has not

1488
01:05:39,799 --> 01:05:44,640
started. It's virtually not even

1489
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,839
started. It's just the overall concept

1490
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,160
of collections has been kind of put out

1491
01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:52,960
there and there's been some I think kind

1492
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,799
of general thought that yeah, we should

1493
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,599
talk about it, but I don't think there's

1494
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:02,200
any consensus on how it would look or

1495
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:02,200
how much money it may or may not save.

1496
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:08,480
No, I I just want to say I don't like to

1497
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,559
work with estimates when it comes to

1498
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,319
money. I learned from my grandma, you

1499
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,559
cannot put it in your budget. until you

1500
01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:16,319
have it in your

1501
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:19,200
hand. And you know that's something that

1502
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:21,079
I just truly believe in. We can have an

1503
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,160
idea and be happy

1504
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:26,880
surprised when all this is over with.

1505
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:30,720
But I think we should just stick with

1506
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:34,000
the numbers of what we have.

1507
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:37,520
That's why as I said earlier the library

1508
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,520
budget might be

1509
01:06:37,799 --> 01:06:43,599
mightier hopefully have more information

1510
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,599
by what's actually

1511
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:53,760
happen income significantly increased

1512
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,319
due to dramatic increase in rates

1513
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,359
although those rates level up they've

1514
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:01,319
actually started to lower slightly

1515
01:06:58,359 --> 01:07:03,440
recently however the other Reason we're

1516
01:07:01,319 --> 01:07:05,599
getting we're getting very good interest

1517
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,880
rates right now is we're continually

1518
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:10,440
replacing lower interest rate

1519
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:13,200
investments with a higher

1520
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:17,440
rate. The interest rate is down about

1521
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:21,640
0.25 or half a percent buying two-year

1522
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:24,799
treasuries and other stuff at point 2.5.

1523
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,799
outline those

1524
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:36,160
maturing will probably stay on for a

1525
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:39,200
while before it starts to tail off tail

1526
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:41,520
off in future years. So interest a

1527
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,839
pretty significant component of our

1528
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:47,760
income. I it it is I mean it didn't used

1529
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:49,280
to be but general funds are fairly

1530
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,640
significant but we also try to look at

1531
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:55,640
what we're spending the interest

1532
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:59,599
on how you want to get on interest

1533
01:07:55,640 --> 01:08:02,079
rates. Uh the fire rar district share of

1534
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,559
fire operating rating expenditures will

1535
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:06,799
increase from 12 to

1536
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:09,720
12.4%. Their percentage is based on a

1537
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:12,160
5year rolling average of calls. And so

1538
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,760
there's been enough additional calls out

1539
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,319
the district where we're changing that

1540
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,239
12 to

1541
01:08:15,319 --> 01:08:20,359
12.4%. That may not sound like much, but

1542
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:24,000
it's about 32

1543
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:27,440
$33,000 general fund just on that 24%

1544
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,839
change. So it's not that helps. And

1545
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:32,799
cattle expenditures for the fire split

1546
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:34,600
on a 50/50 basis. City pays half. Fire

1547
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:37,600
district pays half.

1548
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,600
apparatus

1549
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,880
capital changes at the federal level

1550
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:44,880
that we're currently looking at current

1551
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:47,199
experience experiencing do not affect

1552
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,880
the city's operating funds. Cities not

1553
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,040
receive a lot of operating federal

1554
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,319
operating

1555
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:56,080
grants cops grants which appears to be

1556
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:58,400
safe. We've gotten requested

1557
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,319
reimbursements and received the first

1558
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:03,440
year on that. So we are getting grant

1559
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:04,920
funding still. We just have some very

1560
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:08,400
very

1561
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:10,480
small police department like DUI seat

1562
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:14,159
belt grants. I think maybe about 10,000

1563
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:16,159
small to not a lot of money. So um

1564
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:18,400
capital grants could be most risk for

1565
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:21,199
the city. That's why as Jess said we try

1566
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:23,520
to obligate obligate current capital

1567
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:26,679
grants as we trying to protect the ones

1568
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:30,239
that we have like say school and

1569
01:09:26,679 --> 01:09:32,560
other federal money. We were going to

1570
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:35,080
apply for what they call a brick grant

1571
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:38,319
in our public works department that

1572
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,199
was for the water program. We were going

1573
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:46,000
to apply for

1574
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:46,000
a about 30 $36 million storage

1575
01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:55,760
billion% naturally million. We had the

1576
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:58,960
application filled out already sent in

1577
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:02,640
and the whole program.

1578
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:06,239
What's even worse I think people who had

1579
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,239
Yeah, I should have mentioned that

1580
01:10:08,679 --> 01:10:14,159
202120 you received a prior

1581
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,520
grant funds

1582
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:19,880
going the federal government's going

1583
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,880
back to 2020 to take that

1584
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:28,960
so it's so that and that's a if we would

1585
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:33,440
have got that grant would help a lot

1586
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:37,239
because we have to build. So if we don't

1587
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:41,679
grant program doesn't come back

1588
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:44,880
for success, it's probably going to

1589
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:46,960
cause us to have to borrow some money

1590
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,880
for that tank. the water funds. You'll

1591
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:52,360
see when we get to the budgets that we

1592
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:56,000
we have a lot of cash

1593
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,000
funds there's a lot of

1594
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,120
private

1595
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:12,600
future because it's not just

1596
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,199
replacing the tank

1597
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:18,360
essentially I mean it's 5 million gallon

1598
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:21,719
tank Right now we currently

1599
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:25,679
have build two tanks.

1600
01:11:21,719 --> 01:11:27,960
So tanks up there one. So half half of

1601
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:30,320
the tank half of each tank will

1602
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:33,920
be but you have to have the funds in the

1603
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:36,159
SDC the SDC. We have some but we have

1604
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,560
some good funds in the SDC but not that

1605
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:40,800
not that much. So we always look at the

1606
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,960
water projects as system development

1607
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,760
charge. Let's say system development

1608
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:48,080
charges can be used for growth can also

1609
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:51,719
be used for reimbursement. For example,

1610
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:54,600
if you have used capacity in

1611
01:11:51,719 --> 01:11:57,360
system charge

1612
01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:00,000
people development to pay for some of

1613
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,640
that prior development you put in that's

1614
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,920
currently not being utilized. For

1615
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:06,159
example, at the water treatment plant,

1616
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,800
the water commission plant 10 million

1617
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:10,239
gallons of capacity, we use about six.

1618
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:13,000
So, we've got about four million gallons

1619
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:15,360
of capacity. We can

1620
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,520
charge we can charge system development

1621
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,520
charges to

1622
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,520
recruit

1623
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,679
cost SDC's are

1624
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:35,600
botting for the federal we're fairly

1625
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,760
comfortable on that

1626
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,920
for budget. Do you know what system

1627
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:43,440
development charges when they say

1628
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:46,840
there's like the fees you like new like

1629
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:50,000
builders pay or new construction they

1630
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:52,880
just like infrastructure for water or

1631
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:57,280
parks or water parks for local SDCs and

1632
01:12:52,880 --> 01:13:00,400
sometimes county a lot of so for for

1633
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:02,960
there's two STC's that the city charges

1634
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:06,159
directly is that yes city charges yeah

1635
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:08,960
the city charges water is one and parks

1636
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:10,800
is the other the other SDC's that you

1637
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,640
will see as part of any new develment

1638
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,719
This is not unique to course. This is

1639
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:18,920
municipwide in the tri county area and

1640
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:20,640
also in other parts other

1641
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,400
municipalities. But as the mayor

1642
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,640
mentioned in SDC's system development

1643
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,719
charge, the intention of the charge is

1644
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,600
that you are paying for the cost of that

1645
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:32,480
development on public infrastructure. So

1646
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:35,840
when you add a house, add 72. Add a

1647
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:38,159
house transportation. So fee is charged

1648
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:41,120
to try and renumerate the expense of

1649
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:43,280
that addition. We do water and parks.

1650
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,320
The county does what's called DDT. I

1651
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,920
refer to it earlier. That's

1652
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,679
transportation development tax. That's

1653
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,920
one that I think is approximately

1654
01:13:48,679 --> 01:13:55,199
$12,000. Um and then there's a storm and

1655
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:57,679
sewer SDC. I believe 80% of that is

1656
01:13:55,199 --> 01:14:00,199
clean water services. 20% is the city

1657
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:05,679
for the sewer. The

1658
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:09,199
city retains 20% test services. That's

1659
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:09,199
going to be about seven or eight next

1660
01:14:10,679 --> 01:14:15,440
year% and then we collect sometimes

1661
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:18,480
we'll collect a surface water management

1662
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:20,679
system development charge city retains

1663
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:23,960
all of that

1664
01:14:20,679 --> 01:14:27,199
city but that's only

1665
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:29,120
$700 by the city or that's by the county

1666
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:30,880
by the county and when you when you hear

1667
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,320
about surface water when you see those

1668
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:36,480
collection basins around town that have

1669
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,840
plants where a lot of the runoff whether

1670
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:42,080
it's a road or your gutters from your

1671
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:44,560
house or whatever the city maintains all

1672
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,520
of those. So the SDC when Paul says

1673
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:50,239
storm that's referring to those areas

1674
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,239
and there is a

1675
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:16,760
maintenance of the cities.

1676
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:19,719
You have a sewer and a storm

1677
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:22,640
charge. Most of that is clean water

1678
01:15:19,719 --> 01:15:26,320
services. Approximately 80% of that is

1679
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:31,480
clean. We keep 75% of the surface

1680
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:34,480
surface storing sewer. The majority

1681
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:36,880
majority%. So there's some conversations

1682
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,480
currently about whether municipalities

1683
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,640
are going to continue to build that

1684
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:42,159
expense for clean water services or

1685
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,320
whether clean water services should just

1686
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,920
build that expense directly since they

1687
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,080
are the ones that acrew most of the

1688
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,560
funding and then bring it back to the

1689
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,080
city. Right now the municipalities it's

1690
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,600
done differently but most of the

1691
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,760
municipalities build with clean water

1692
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,159
services and then we give the money back

1693
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:02,000
to clean water services. some smaller

1694
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:04,239
cities like King City, Durham,

1695
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,199
um they clean water services actually

1696
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,480
bills for them and then sends them

1697
01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:10,239
money. So some other cities are looking

1698
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:12,080
at that saying why don't you do that for

1699
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:14,800
us. I mean that looks like a pretty good

1700
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,719
deal. Certainly, but that's personally I

1701
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,600
prefer billing for clean water services

1702
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:21,600
because when you send just out a

1703
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:24,159
sewer collectible rate goes up because

1704
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,800
you have no you don't have a lot of

1705
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:29,880
teeth to collect that

1706
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:34,679
bill can't really sew you can't

1707
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:37,080
go to stop the sewer services from so I

1708
01:16:34,679 --> 01:16:41,760
would

1709
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:43,199
think that's just that's a good

1710
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,679
public charge

1711
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:48,199
Yeah, that doesn't mean we can't say the

1712
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:51,360
other is there be an administrative

1713
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:55,800
expense for the cities that do it

1714
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,800
because right now we don't regular

1715
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,960
Well, that that's I mean if you can

1716
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,960
that's kind of brought

1717
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,000
this just some examples of federal

1718
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,520
grants that we've done. Talk about the

1719
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,400
cost grant. That's a

1720
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:37,920
$250,000 award partially fun two officer

1721
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:40,280
positions. We received the money over

1722
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:43,120
three years. Year one will get

1723
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:45,920
125,000, year two will get 70,000. Year

1724
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:49,000
three will get5,000. The city's match

1725
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:52,320
increases the

1726
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:54,199
years they set dollar amount. We just

1727
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:59,360
have to make the

1728
01:17:54,199 --> 01:18:01,760
difference money for safety highway.

1729
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:05,520
Yeah, I think that's one that's the one

1730
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:09,280
850,000 Jesse got obligated. Pardon?

1731
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:11,800
850,000 is one of the Yeah, we signed on

1732
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:14,800
850,000. We signed an agreement with

1733
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:16,679
ODOT that project got now that we've

1734
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,719
signed the

1735
01:18:16,679 --> 01:18:21,920
agreement we agreed to the matching

1736
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:23,440
funds and that's now in step that's

1737
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,480
going to be calculated into our

1738
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:28,960
statewide transportation program. So

1739
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:31,360
yes, that would be considered poly and

1740
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:33,520
it's cool because it got moved up got

1741
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,199
moved up and so construction that's

1742
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,040
going to go towards the Street

1743
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:40,000
intersection which is one of our most

1744
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,880
like high crash intersections in town by

1745
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:46,480
71 in Dory. So it's going to start in

1746
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:48,960
2026 right? Yeah. We got we got into the

1747
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:53,280
2020

1748
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:55,840
2025 to 2027. Yeah. That was a a great

1749
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:58,560
example of a project that was not really

1750
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,320
on ODOT's radar screen to be candid. And

1751
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,480
when the city came to the table through

1752
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,280
a lot of kind of efforts of lobbying

1753
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:07,120
etc. We came to the table with federal

1754
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:10,239
funding. We got we got it on the table.

1755
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:12,120
We got it in the step and now it's

1756
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:15,280
so that that

1757
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:19,080
was work out really well. They knew they

1758
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,080
needed project done.

1759
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,920
And then he's $900,000 community solar

1760
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,520
project which we installed with city

1761
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,600
substations.

1762
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:35,360
revenue from that will be used to the

1763
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:37,920
city's low energy assistance program

1764
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:41,000
that has not beenated that's been

1765
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:44,800
awarded but not

1766
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:47,360
sol that is a great project that kudos

1767
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:52,120
to our light power team that's that one

1768
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:52,120
may be more risk than some of the other

1769
01:19:52,239 --> 01:20:01,199
we have I will say that Jamie Keith and

1770
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,199
have been working try and get

1771
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:06,080
HUD program money. It's been

1772
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:15,280
cut and that's just examples. There are

1773
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:17,719
other grants like he's got the grant to

1774
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:20,120
bury the overhead cable and

1775
01:20:17,719 --> 01:20:25,360
underground and

1776
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:28,560
the areas prone to wild wild fire.

1777
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,880
And we're starting that work, right?

1778
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:34,159
That with our own money. First question.

1779
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:36,640
We're doing joint projects with our own.

1780
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:38,960
Yeah. Then we'll finish it up with still

1781
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,960
waiting

1782
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:49,040
on spender assumptions, wages, benefits

1783
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,560
increase contract negotiation will be

1784
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,320
budgeted.

1785
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,040
We're also going to propose a coal for

1786
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:57,840
nonrepresented staff.

1787
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:59,679
CPI 2.6 2.7. We're trying to figure out

1788
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,199
exactly what it was last year. We keep

1789
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:02,320
getting different percentage numbers

1790
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:05,280
slightly different percentage numbers

1791
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:07,040
from people. But police association

1792
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:09,679
contracts be negotiated. So actual

1793
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:11,640
increases will not be known until the

1794
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:14,440
negotiations are

1795
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:17,159
complete. Waging known wage

1796
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:21,600
increases ask me

1797
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:24,120
2.62 CPI by contract. IBW is 3.5% by

1798
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,560
contract. Fire association is 4% by

1799
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,320
contract. Non-represented staff at this

1800
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,400
model we're thinking about towards any

1801
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,840
3% cost of living and that's partly

1802
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:36,320
based on what surround surrounding juris

1803
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,520
jurisdictions are doing for colas. One

1804
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:41,400
of the things that we look at when we're

1805
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:45,840
setting colas decreases

1806
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:48,800
is we do we don't want to get too far

1807
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:51,679
behind the market on these things.

1808
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:54,480
people larger cost adjustments than

1809
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:56,639
cities are we tend to get behind tend to

1810
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:59,440
get kind every three years when we do

1811
01:21:56,639 --> 01:22:00,520
when we labor contract labor contracts

1812
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:03,320
about

1813
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:07,199
expire services does

1814
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:12,960
a wage wage and benefit comparison for

1815
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:12,960
the comparable comparable cities or

1816
01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:18,719
likew utilities around us some other

1817
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:23,520
utilities

1818
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:25,520
And for management, we'll we do a on our

1819
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:28,000
staff. We do a study every three years,

1820
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,600
which typically contract, but we'll do

1821
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,320
it every three years. So, we're sort of

1822
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,560
on the same

1823
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:37,560
cycle and we use the same comparable

1824
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,560
cities.

1825
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,560
So if you get too far behind then you're

1826
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:45,560
then you're below the market. The

1827
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:49,480
council pay policy of setting

1828
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:53,679
salaries plus or minus 5% of the market

1829
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:55,520
median. We try to try to keep it close

1830
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:58,080
to the market to the market median.

1831
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:01,040
Again we try not too far out on the five

1832
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:04,360
above the low get too far particularly

1833
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:07,760
on the blow side have to do

1834
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:11,400
stepping back up a little bit. You don't

1835
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:14,320
staff tends to leave the

1836
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,600
pasture hiring staff at some positions

1837
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,360
not the easiest things

1838
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,719
anymore and we have some requests for

1839
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,400
additional staffing. We're reviewing

1840
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:24,600
those to determine if the positions are

1841
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,360
sustainable, the projected

1842
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:32,920
revenues

1843
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:32,920
and cost increases that we're for other

1844
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:46,880
the opioid settlement money. Um the

1845
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:49,440
count last year the council we council

1846
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:56,520
set a resolution the opioid money just

1847
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:56,520
sent to the cat in Washington County.

1848
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:00,679
Yeah.

1849
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:11,920
We saw I think money's actually been

1850
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,679
slowing down. got we got 90,000 once or

1851
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:17,320
twice and the last payment we got was

1852
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:19,800
around $50,000. So

1853
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:24,760
it's starting to taper

1854
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:28,040
off kind of big picture was is a lot of

1855
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:30,880
municipalities received wasn't enough

1856
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:33,360
to anybody wasn't enough to kind of

1857
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:35,320
implement their own program so to speak

1858
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,920
and so there

1859
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,840
was a lot of conversation about how to

1860
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,880
get the community addiction treatments

1861
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:45,159
that are going program county was

1862
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:48,960
heading up. And

1863
01:24:45,159 --> 01:24:53,360
so could be mistaken, but virtually

1864
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:56,320
every municipality said we pull all of

1865
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,320
the opioid addiction recovery money that

1866
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:01,600
will sustain the operations of the

1867
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:03,920
center not operations of the center for

1868
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,760
the first I don't remember however many

1869
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:09,120
years until the county could look at

1870
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:11,960
doing the budget for that.

1871
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:17,920
So that's essentially where the money

1872
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:17,920
program and I I know we did

1873
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:27,199
it. I don't know about

1874
01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:27,199
those but that's

1875
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:33,000
generally frame.

1876
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,040
Um there was there was an estimated

1877
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:43,000
table that was put

1878
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:43,000
out that we could definitely represent

1879
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:51,000
I don't remember I don't think we're

1880
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:54,480
yeah I don't remember how

1881
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:56,480
long I don't think we're getting as much

1882
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:59,120
it was a structured settlement I think

1883
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:59,120
it was 10

1884
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,600
years princely

1885
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,310
[Music]

1886
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:17,360
because we can

1887
01:26:14,199 --> 01:26:17,360
get all

1888
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:30,400
that medical and

1889
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:33,840
dental police and fire.

1890
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:36,880
police and fire associations are the

1891
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:39,239
Northwest Firefighters Trust or

1892
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:43,199
everybody else with

1893
01:26:39,239 --> 01:26:45,440
CIS police fire went off on it went off

1894
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:48,719
the line previous contract and the

1895
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:51,360
police went over over the last their

1896
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:53,800
last contract with most firefighters

1897
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,000
associated trust with minimum

1898
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,920
dental their estimate of their increase

1899
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,760
for July is about 8%

1900
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:07,080
%

1901
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:11,880
other Kaiser CIS Kaiser project 13%

1902
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:18,199
9% dental delta dental which is cross is

1903
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:18,199
7% Kaiser's 3% dental is 7%

1904
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:24,159
CIS is the county insurance services

1905
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:27,199
it's where we it's a pool arrangement

1906
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:30,159
for uh there's one one side for city and

1907
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:32,560
one counties. So we buy our property and

1908
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:34,960
liability insurance from CI from city

1909
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,960
county insurance services and for all

1910
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:40,520
employees except for police and fire we

1911
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:43,639
buy our dental vision all that insurance

1912
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:46,719
from CIS as

1913
01:27:43,639 --> 01:27:49,120
well. Northwest firefighters firefighter

1914
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:51,360
it's a better probably better program

1915
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,840
than CIS but they're very particular

1916
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,480
with the take. They tend to mostly take

1917
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,480
police and

1918
01:27:55,480 --> 01:28:00,480
fire. That's from an experience basis.

1919
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:02,400
Most of the police and fire employees

1920
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:04,960
themselves tend to have better health

1921
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:07,440
and better longevity, you know, better

1922
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:10,159
health, but not as poor condition as

1923
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,159
some other types

1924
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:17,360
of younger sitting around all day.

1925
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:21,159
That's a nice way of putting it. They're

1926
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:21,159
not they're less sedentary.

1927
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:27,360
sanitary than a lot of the other

1928
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:27,360
employees.

1929
01:28:28,679 --> 01:28:35,719
CIS retirement um city's defined benefit

1930
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:38,320
plan is decreasing by

1931
01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:39,840
532,000. This coming year it actually

1932
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,639
went up by about half million dollars

1933
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:46,960
last year. So it's going back down to

1934
01:28:43,639 --> 01:28:50,239
where we were hoping it would be at. And

1935
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:54,159
about $378,000 of that is the general

1936
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:55,159
fund. $96,000 to light power, $58,000

1937
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,660
public

1938
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:59,000
works. I know that because I have the

1939
01:28:57,660 --> 01:29:03,199
[Music]

1940
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:05,520
actuary I have calculated police, fire,

1941
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:07,440
general, employees, and general separate

1942
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,040
public works.

1943
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:11,679
I have all I have each of those

1944
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,679
categories

1945
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:21,840
costy. The city's divine benefit plan is

1946
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:23,320
now a closed plan. There's no employees

1947
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,320
in

1948
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:34,440
it. He took police fire in

1949
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:37,920
2016 like power 2020 I think there

1950
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:40,080
power at that point in time closed.

1951
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:44,840
That's a pension plan. That's a pension

1952
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:47,760
plan. That's a yes pension plan which

1953
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:51,120
means we have three plans the city the

1954
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:52,719
city has. We have PERS. We have the

1955
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,679
city's defined benefit plan. We have

1956
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:57,679
defined contribution

1957
01:29:54,679 --> 01:29:59,159
plan. The fine benefit plan for the city

1958
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:02,239
is

1959
01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:04,120
a retirement payout to the employees

1960
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:07,040
based

1961
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:10,159
on a formula which is like general

1962
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:12,639
employees is 1.67% times their highest

1963
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:13,560
average 36 months earning their last 10

1964
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:16,159
years of

1965
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:20,360
service times years of service. That's

1966
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:24,679
the general. public safety 2% instead of

1967
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:28,159
1% essentially the old PERS tier one

1968
01:30:24,679 --> 01:30:31,520
formula without the money match portion

1969
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:34,280
of it. So actually it was a very it's a

1970
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:36,800
very lucrative

1971
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,880
plan which is one of the reason why we

1972
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,400
got to go away with it away from it was

1973
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,719
getting very expensive for the city to

1974
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,719
try to

1975
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:48,480
maintain per is kind of a hybrid plan.

1976
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:50,560
It's got the defined benefit portion and

1977
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,400
then it's got the individual account

1978
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,080
plan which is where the employees

1979
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:58,239
contributions go now and the various

1980
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:00,360
level tiers and curve I'm not going to

1981
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:03,880
go through that right

1982
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:05,639
now portion contribution

1983
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:09,120
portion then

1984
01:31:05,639 --> 01:31:09,120
we ask me

1985
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:14,960
employees ask me employees recently had

1986
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,600
the option of going to pers or to stay

1987
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,400
in the city's defined

1988
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,880
contribution. We're having quite a bit

1989
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,560
of turnover with asking employees to try

1990
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,960
and plus we're trying to make it so they

1991
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:27,600
were on par with the other employees in

1992
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,280
the city.

1993
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,840
No, these are as this is like public

1994
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:34,199
works, the office workers, water

1995
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,719
treatment plant people,

1996
01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:38,320
library

1997
01:31:35,719 --> 01:31:40,080
staff. So we gave them the option of

1998
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,960
going to join to PERS or staying in the

1999
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:45,239
fine contribution plan. Most elected to

2000
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:49,960
go to PERS. So we have

2001
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:53,600
about 10 of them still contribution

2002
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:56,800
plan their reasons for it varied they

2003
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,800
very close retirement they

2004
01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:06,360
didn't pay we put about we put 10% of

2005
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:12,560
their salary into that for them and 12%

2006
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:15,280
2% contribution of their own 457 comp

2007
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,280
those are the three retire

2008
01:32:17,159 --> 01:32:23,520
class make the auto report

2009
01:32:19,719 --> 01:32:25,280
longer. Um so the main reason getting

2010
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,639
back to this for the decrease is due to

2011
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,440
the actual earnings for the plan

2012
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:31,159
exceeding the assumed assumed rate of

2013
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:35,120
return of

2014
01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:38,360
5.25%. We exceeded that by 6.57% for the

2015
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,360
year end.

2016
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,040
So that rate will become effective July.

2017
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:47,800
The contribution in the metal will

2018
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:51,360
become effective July 1st of

2019
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:53,679
2025. PERS rates are increasing by 8% on

2020
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:56,239
July 1st. They go up that whole 8% on

2021
01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:58,480
July 1st. However, then that rate in

2022
01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:00,880
will be in effect for the next two years

2023
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:04,520
through June 30th of 2027. That mean

2024
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:07,360
their investments didn't do as well.

2025
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,840
Um, they their investments did well did

2026
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:12,560
okay, but they've

2027
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:15,520
got they've got other structural issues.

2028
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,920
I mean, they've got they've got some

2029
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:20,960
they got employees that are they got a

2030
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,520
lot of unfunded actual liability.

2031
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:25,840
They're trying We do too. They employees

2032
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:29,400
are trying back in the days that they're

2033
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,400
trying to work through

2034
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,080
That's the retirement

2035
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:44,080
changes workers compensation rates

2036
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:46,639
likely increasing by 10% on July 1st

2037
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:51,760
2025 for us. That's based on our

2038
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:51,760
experience mod going up from

2039
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:58,480
66.76. Actually, we were 0.94 a while

2040
01:33:55,639 --> 01:34:01,120
ago 66.

2041
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:03,760
76 and you get one large claim that

2042
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,280
greatly change your experience. However,

2043
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,040
say it's been awarding a dividend for

2044
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:09,760
several years now and I typically give

2045
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:12,239
that dividend to keep the cost of

2046
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,280
workers comp. I try to keep workers comp

2047
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:16,800
fairly flat for the for the department

2048
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:19,679
and so that's what I use the dividend

2049
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:22,239
for. Cost go up. I cover it with the

2050
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:24,000
dividend money. We account for that in a

2051
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:26,560
risk management fund. So that might

2052
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,480
separate separated out.

2053
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,880
Try not to raise the lowest compar by

2054
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:33,960
using the dividends. Property liability

2055
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:39,440
insurance is increasing by 5 to 8% this

2056
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:39,440
year. Auto liability insurance that's

2057
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,520
genre. Just some comments on some other

2058
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:49,520
funds.

2059
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:52,120
Uh we're reviewing the rates for the

2060
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,960
public port enterprise fund and also for

2061
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:56,080
power.

2062
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,920
We're going to be conducting a water

2063
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:00,120
rate study this fiscal year when

2064
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:02,400
presented to the council for

2065
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:05,920
consideration. Staff will likely propose

2066
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:07,760
a 3% increase on July 1 of 2025 and

2067
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,360
propose implementing the results of the

2068
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:13,840
water rate study on July 1,

2069
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:15,880
2026. Don't want to go too long. Water

2070
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:18,639
rate increases. do

2071
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:20,400
that much larger just the one year and

2072
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:23,199
the public

2073
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:25,840
public kind of doesn't mind the smaller

2074
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:27,520
increases.

2075
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,360
Yeah, we've been hit with we've been hit

2076
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,440
with not changing it for several years

2077
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,280
and then we had to raise it a lot. So

2078
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:36,560
the council said at that time we'd like

2079
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:39,280
to see a series of smaller raises so we

2080
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,880
don't have to do the large the larger

2081
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:44,280
tax. So that's that's what we've been

2082
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:47,199
trying to do. Uh, clean water

2083
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:49,760
services has proposed a 4% rate increase

2084
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:51,199
on July 1st for sewer sewer and surface

2085
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,120
water management rates. They haven't

2086
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:55,679
approved yet, but that's what proposed.

2087
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:57,760
Who approves that? What is the approving

2088
01:35:55,679 --> 01:36:00,000
body? Uh, the Washington County Board of

2089
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:02,320
Commissioners is the board for clean

2090
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:04,239
water services. I mean, they're

2091
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,840
technically separate agencies, but the

2092
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:09,880
county commissioners are the board for

2093
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,880
clean water services as well.

2094
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:18,639
Um they uh county typically doesn't

2095
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:21,400
approve those until around early June.

2096
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:25,199
So we typically wait till the second

2097
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:26,960
meeting in June to do our sewers rates.

2098
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,960
We in the past we tended to mirror the

2099
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,880
clean water service rate increases but

2100
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,480
we're still reviewing we're still

2101
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,239
reviewing the sewer and swim funds. We

2102
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:37,360
haven't

2103
01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:40,480
determined potential rate increase yet.

2104
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,480
probably something

2105
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:47,679
but% line power fund potential rate

2106
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:49,199
increases will be reviewed now that BPA

2107
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:52,520
rates for the next three years are close

2108
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:55,320
to being finalized I think finalized

2109
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:57,920
August July so we're going to start the

2110
01:36:55,320 --> 01:37:00,320
study study now shouldn't be that too

2111
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:03,280
bad of a study because consultant has

2112
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:07,560
most information it's just a matter of

2113
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:07,560
hopefully changing a few factors

2114
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:14,159
We'll get it started and then BP rates

2115
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:15,920
finalized. We'll plug in the final rates

2116
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:18,440
and then see if that changes. We're

2117
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,880
going to put the preliminary rate

2118
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:23,080
increases. We know what the average BPA

2119
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:26,880
rate increase is,

2120
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:28,639
but you don't necessarily we you don't

2121
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:31,080
necessarily get the average BPA rate.

2122
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:33,719
Each utility

2123
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:37,280
rs typically tends to be a little

2124
01:37:33,719 --> 01:37:40,400
higher. The average rate

2125
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:42,159
Yeah. So, but we'll plug in we'll plug

2126
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,600
in what they think our proposed rate

2127
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:45,159
going to be and it's final. We'll plug

2128
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,159
in the final

2129
01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:53,600
rates work

2130
01:37:47,159 --> 01:37:53,600
session all of the same

2131
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,679
power that'll be for the next threeear

2132
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:02,679
period which will close out the current

2133
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:02,679
contract.

2134
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:12,679
That's that

2135
01:38:07,719 --> 01:38:12,679
one. Any questions on any of that?

2136
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:23,440
C we don't I we tend to mostly stick on

2137
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:25,840
the larger fund like the general fund.

2138
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:28,880
So the other stuff these meetings it's I

2139
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:31,440
mean the C we could talk about C. It's

2140
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,800
you know it's about an $800,000 bud.

2141
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:36,040
Right now we're getting two components

2142
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:38,080
for C. We're getting C grant

2143
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:40,040
money and we're also getting what's

2144
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:43,920
called the community investment

2145
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:46,960
fees. There's $1 C there's a $1 fee at

2146
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:50,119
the transfer stage. That's for CP per

2147
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:53,760
ton per ton and then there is a

2148
01:38:50,119 --> 01:38:56,960
uh 50 cent per ton fee called the

2149
01:38:53,760 --> 01:39:00,080
community impact community that fee CIF

2150
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:03,040
fee transportation. the waste management

2151
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:05,199
can elect to collect or can elect not to

2152
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:08,080
collect. At first they didn't collect.

2153
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:10,480
So for the they collected a much smaller

2154
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:12,400
fee. So the first year we we got a

2155
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:15,119
couple hundred bucks a year from the

2156
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:18,239
CIA. Now they're collecting the 50 cent

2157
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:21,440
fee. So that fee is that fees coming in.

2158
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:24,840
Right now, Metro's allowing you and I

2159
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:27,440
don't unless they finalize the rule that

2160
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:29,280
check they're allowing you to since they

2161
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:35,440
don't have any specific rule how you can

2162
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:35,440
spend the CIF they're allowing spend

2163
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:43,000
CO for relocation

2164
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:49,320
uh Metro is pro um Metro's coming up

2165
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,679
with their plans.

2166
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:54,159
Cornelius is not scheduled to be a

2167
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:56,719
full-blown transfer station. It's it's

2168
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:59,840
more to be recycling. I think it's a

2169
01:39:56,719 --> 01:40:02,480
full transfer station and this this one

2170
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,480
over here will

2171
01:40:04,440 --> 01:40:08,679
still

2172
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:11,840
do

2173
01:40:08,679 --> 01:40:14,159
that. I think there was some indication

2174
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,400
center would find some way to keep it

2175
01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:18,360
going.

2176
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:23,040
That's what you mean.

2177
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:26,080
Um it's I they're looking at their whole

2178
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:27,600
solid waste system now. So I think I

2179
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:30,480
haven't I don't know what they discuss

2180
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:33,199
about the CP future. So it's going to

2181
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:34,800
retain or not. So it's because they're

2182
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:37,159
going to be doing they're going to be

2183
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:39,199
doing different things transfer

2184
01:40:37,159 --> 01:40:42,159
stations and they're going to be they're

2185
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:44,000
going to be located recycling some other

2186
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:47,600
type transfer stations in various

2187
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:49,119
places. So not sure exactly where all of

2188
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:52,119
it

2189
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:55,880
in case you're not a

2190
01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:59,280
community monies that come to us from

2191
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:59,280
Metro Transfer

2192
01:41:03,239 --> 01:41:07,560
Station. This year we awarded about

2193
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:10,880
$90,000

2194
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:13,920
grants. We gave Chamber of Commerce a

2195
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:17,719
three-year grant, $40,000 each year.

2196
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:22,560
Then we awarded three other three other

2197
01:41:17,719 --> 01:41:22,560
entities. 2020, I believe

2198
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:32,360
10,000. You notice we did the C

2199
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:34,960
this decided last year to switch over to

2200
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,360
fall. that we kind of know better what

2201
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:39,520
revenues are

2202
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:40,880
plus staff workloading it. It's just a

2203
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,400
hard thing to try to do in the spring

2204
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,960
with everything else that we do. The

2205
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:47,199
fall tends to

2206
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:52,679
be it's busy but there tends to be fewer

2207
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:52,679
established programs like other stuff.

2208
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,800
Shall we take a break?

2209
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:11,199
Yes, but we have three more. Might take

2210
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:15,880
a little bit of question.

2211
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:15,880
I say we stretch our legs for a moment.

2212
01:42:32,150 --> 01:42:38,239
[Laughter]

2213
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:40,080
I do it all the time. No, now I can't

2214
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:41,760
see anyone. I don't think that'll work.

2215
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:44,320
No. As soon as someone talks, it'll back

2216
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:46,320
out. What? You don't like to have your

2217
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:48,719
picture on the screen. So, watch. Soon

2218
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,719
as someone's talking and then the next

2219
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:54,000
time someone talks, you don't. Okay,

2220
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:58,960
we're going again, everyone.

2221
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:58,960
I don't want to silly. You don't like

2222
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:05,080
Not really, but I'll just I'll just roll

2223
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,080
with it.

2224
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,840
I didn't hear tonight.

2225
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,080
There. That is not large enough for

2226
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:32,480
everybody. I'm going to zoom a whole lot

2227
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,920
bigger anyway.

2228
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:36,400
Yeah, I think it might go off the

2229
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:40,280
screen. Yeah,

2230
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:40,280
there we go. There you go.

2231
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:46,400
Hey, the last thing is

2232
01:43:43,239 --> 01:43:49,440
the general fund fiveyear forecast. And

2233
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:52,480
that's what it is. It's a forecast. I

2234
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:55,760
didn't go meticulously through each out

2235
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:57,679
to year 2930 and say I think this

2236
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:03,199
expendure revenue wise. said let's kind

2237
01:43:57,679 --> 01:44:06,239
of do this 26 25 26 and 26 27 we know a

2238
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:07,679
lot of the parameters so there are some

2239
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:09,400
of those numbers are fairly good but

2240
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:13,119
after the

2241
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:15,840
27 through 30 I said I did go through

2242
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,960
and apply percentage increases to some

2243
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,280
of the different revenues and

2244
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:21,520
expenditures I just didn't apply a total

2245
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:23,560
factor to all revenues otherwise it's

2246
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:27,199
your Ouija board right

2247
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:29,400
yeah and to explain it real quickly The

2248
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:33,880
two blue columns are the current fiscal

2249
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:35,679
year. There's the original budget

2250
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:37,679
forecast where what we think we're going

2251
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:41,440
to hit the end of the year. Then there's

2252
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:44,000
the for the green columns are the

2253
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:46,719
forecast for the next five years. First

2254
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:48,320
two green columns will be what we I mean

2255
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:53,119
those that will be the first two years

2256
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:55,000
of the banual budget. the red red or

2257
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:58,960
whatever color not red so

2258
01:44:55,000 --> 01:45:00,880
much for it is um that's forecast 2728

2259
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,800
reason I put that that color is that is

2260
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:05,800
the last year of the fiveyear local

2261
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,800
auction

2262
01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:17,199
we have two we have two things permit

2263
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,199
rate which is about $3.96 per

2264
01:45:17,480 --> 01:45:23,760
thous which is additional property tax

2265
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:29,400
one property tax bill that expires every

2266
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:29,400
five years. operating least can only max

2267
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:41,600
that's a thousand's assessed value of

2268
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:44,560
assess and it got that two years ago two

2269
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:46,800
years ago as I said we're 25 26 will be

2270
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:50,239
the third year

2271
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:50,239
it just basically helps

2272
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:55,360
us a bond appreciation bond

2273
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:59,880
and

2274
01:45:57,639 --> 01:46:02,719
operational

2275
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:04,159
staff, right? Yeah. For example, the

2276
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:06,760
police obligation is a general

2277
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:10,639
obligation for up to 21

2278
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:10,639
years finance

2279
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:17,600
cost local operating levies are to

2280
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:20,719
supplement your get additional revenue

2281
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:23,360
to do more operations. It started out

2282
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:25,600
years ago at 99 cents a thousand and

2283
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:26,840
over over time it's increased and it's

2284
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:29,560
now

2285
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:33,719
$1.95,000

2286
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:37,679
and that expires June 30th of 2028.

2287
01:46:33,719 --> 01:46:42,119
Typically we have gone out a year early

2288
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:44,719
to try to renew or replace the last

2289
01:46:42,119 --> 01:46:47,679
time you're renewing just asking the

2290
01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:50,080
voters the same.

2291
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:53,960
We'll ask the voters in June of May of

2292
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:57,960
2027 at that election probably to

2293
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,960
approve renew.

2294
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:14,440
So probably in

2295
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:17,000
the probably in the fall of 2026 early

2296
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:20,520
fall start planning

2297
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:25,280
for doing projections for

2298
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:25,280
what to do for the next five year oper

2299
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:32,040
Start fall 2026. That will give you

2300
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:36,080
about seven months

2301
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:36,080
time before you have to approve

2302
01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:49,320
it. Okay. So going down here, I said the

2303
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:51,920
first two columns are

2304
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:53,679
the are the current year one's the

2305
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,239
budget amount. be appropriated. The

2306
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:57,600
other one we're

2307
01:47:55,239 --> 01:48:00,000
forecasting. You'll see number one

2308
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,159
property taxes. That's that's our

2309
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,600
permanent

2310
01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:06,239
rate. Number two, where it says local

2311
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:08,159
option electric is also property tax.

2312
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:10,639
That's the 5year local option. I

2313
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:14,400
separated those out so people can see

2314
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:16,719
kind of the magnitude of it. See the

2315
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:20,040
local option levy is not insificant when

2316
01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:24,560
it compares to our

2317
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:24,560
rate what barely less than half of

2318
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:31,920
what all other taxes or franchise fees

2319
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,920
things of that

2320
01:48:32,199 --> 01:48:36,239
nature governmental revenue is what we

2321
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:38,360
collect from the government for example

2322
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:41,440
the

2323
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:44,560
county money

2324
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:47,520
Washington County Department services.

2325
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:50,800
Also, we we have a contract for services

2326
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:53,600
with the fire districts. We charge them

2327
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:55,520
for operational services based on

2328
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,000
rolling average of calls. Like I said,

2329
01:48:55,520 --> 01:49:01,679
next year it's going to

2330
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:01,679
12.4%. So that's the other major line

2331
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:06,159
item between the

2332
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:12,080
library. It's about half

2333
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:18,880
grants. You see that's that's a fairly

2334
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:21,320
small amount charge us for services or

2335
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:24,560
what we

2336
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:27,639
charge some of the fees we charge out

2337
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:30,560
for services we perform. You'll see $6.2

2338
01:49:27,639 --> 01:49:32,960
million. The largest line item there is

2339
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:35,280
actually what we call our general fund

2340
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:37,840
for service charge. It's overhead

2341
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:40,840
charges that we charge to our other

2342
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:44,080
funds like water, sewer, light and

2343
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:47,199
power. Central we do a lot of services

2344
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:49,440
for those apartments that we charge and

2345
01:49:47,199 --> 01:49:53,920
they get charged back for them. That's

2346
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,920
probably close to five of that $6.2

2347
01:49:54,040 --> 01:50:00,080
million. Licenses, permits, fees is like

2348
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:02,400
business is like planning fees of that

2349
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:04,920
nature. Fines exactly what it says. So

2350
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:08,280
there's traffic lines

2351
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:11,320
mostly fines, parking

2352
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:14,560
lines charges for

2353
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,560
services one

2354
01:50:14,679 --> 01:50:21,679
way into funies

2355
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:24,560
that stand. Yes.

2356
01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:25,960
And city's always done that. It really

2357
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:28,080
hasn't changed the

2358
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:30,080
methodology for a long time. I

2359
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:34,080
essentially use the same methodology

2360
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:37,760
almost that the person before me, but I

2361
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:39,280
changed it somewhat. I charge some like

2362
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:43,520
utility billing staff. I charge

2363
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:43,520
specifically out all of it out to

2364
01:50:43,639 --> 01:50:46,960
me% of it

2365
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:09,520
outdoed the cost we did cost

2366
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:11,679
services they did a very complicated

2367
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:15,040
cost allocation method and it came with

2368
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:17,199
about 20 $30,000 how I was charging how

2369
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:21,199
I my easy method of charging the fun. So

2370
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:21,199
I've always just kept it doing easy

2371
01:51:22,119 --> 01:51:28,000
method.

2372
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:29,320
Um miscellaneous that's most of that's

2373
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,480
interest

2374
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:34,320
income some of his

2375
01:51:31,480 --> 01:51:35,400
donations transfers and reimbursements.

2376
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:38,880
The

2377
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:41,199
uh that's money mostly comes from other

2378
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:44,480
funds as well. For example, remember I

2379
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:46,480
mentioned all other taxes we charge.

2380
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:49,320
Some of that's franchise fees which are

2381
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:52,320
charged like Northwest natural

2382
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:52,320
gas

2383
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:58,639
companies waste management for operating

2384
01:51:55,199 --> 01:52:00,840
on city right away. That's about 5% fee

2385
01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:03,679
city. Now we do the same thing. We're

2386
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:04,840
charging charge our electric company we

2387
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:08,239
charge

2388
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:12,920
5% tax. So that's why it's transfers

2389
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:16,320
charge 5% to water 5% of the

2390
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:19,840
portion of the sewer fees that we keep

2391
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:22,239
of the city. We don't charge the 5% on

2392
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:25,199
the clean water services fees because we

2393
01:52:22,239 --> 01:52:27,880
don't have we don't have a right or we

2394
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:33,520
want to work on develop

2395
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:35,840
shortway or charge 5% services fees that

2396
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,000
probably

2397
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:40,440
a

2398
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:43,880
year flip side that

2399
01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:46,360
$170,000 on the

2400
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:48,719
customer

2401
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:50,719
not say that we're going to pay this

2402
01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:54,159
franchise. We don't care about we don't

2403
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:54,159
care that we have

2404
01:52:56,199 --> 01:53:00,520
that discussion on you want to do that

2405
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:03,520
just

2406
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,520
have

2407
01:53:04,440 --> 01:53:10,639
to so like I said in these are the big

2408
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:13,400
ones of that money there so that's kind

2409
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:15,320
of a quick rundown on revenue

2410
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:17,800
categories in each of the revenue

2411
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:20,239
categories you'll see we've budgeted

2412
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:23,400
27.9 million

2413
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:26,520
We're receiving about 27.4

2414
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:29,880
million. Doesn't bother me

2415
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:33,239
because we budgeted some expenses for

2416
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:36,199
the recreation

2417
01:53:33,239 --> 01:53:38,960
programs in the non-EP departmental

2418
01:53:36,199 --> 01:53:41,119
fund. However, we just we ended up just

2419
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:43,199
charging those most charging all of

2420
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:44,960
those to in the ARPA fund itself. So, we

2421
01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:46,880
didn't actually make the transfer. We

2422
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,560
didn't incur the expense. So, we didn't

2423
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:51,199
bring the revenue over. So there's kind

2424
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:53,119
of a wash there between between expenses

2425
01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:55,520
and the revenues. That's that's quite a

2426
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:58,320
bit of the revenue differential there.

2427
01:53:55,520 --> 01:54:00,360
Some funds for those familiar is

2428
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:03,520
government funds

2429
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:06,520
came that was awarded to cities

2430
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,520
municipalities.

2431
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:13,440
Yes, that money's gone. We got about

2432
01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:16,520
$5.8 $8 million we had to spend at the

2433
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:19,599
end of by December 31st,

2434
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:21,719
2024. We did that. So, some of them went

2435
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:25,199
to summer recreation

2436
01:54:21,719 --> 01:54:27,360
program. So, you'll see I'm not mean to

2437
01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:29,119
have short some of the other little some

2438
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:30,599
of the other shortages. Some of the

2439
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:33,560
state shared

2440
01:54:30,599 --> 01:54:36,440
revenue didn't commit was

2441
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:39,639
budgeted. So, you'll see the total

2442
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:42,960
resources to see the how much. So,

2443
01:54:39,639 --> 01:54:45,320
scroll down just a little bit, Danny. We

2444
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:48,400
can see the

2445
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:50,000
expenditures. Okay. Expenditures. You'll

2446
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,360
see we have each of the general fund

2447
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,719
departments there on the left column.

2448
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,880
You'll see the various departments that

2449
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:56,480
we

2450
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:58,400
use. You'll see budgeted amount. You'll

2451
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:00,440
see the what we think we're going to

2452
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:02,960
spend in

2453
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:05,040
those. And you'll see we budgeted about

2454
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:08,080
28.5 million and we think we're going to

2455
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:10,880
spend about 26.7 million. So, we're

2456
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:15,280
spending quite a bit less than budgeted

2457
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:17,199
and the big areas of differential are

2458
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:19,320
administrative services. We have quite a

2459
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:22,960
few staff vacancies

2460
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:26,239
have still staff vacancies now that

2461
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:28,199
we're trying on filling or some other

2462
01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:30,599
method of driving

2463
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:33,679
service. Police

2464
01:55:30,599 --> 01:55:34,599
um police they can spend their we don't

2465
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:36,639
think they're going to spend outside

2466
01:55:34,599 --> 01:55:38,840
$700,000 their budget. They had some

2467
01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:41,840
vacancies in there

2468
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,840
again.

2469
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:46,719
Um other the other place that's

2470
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:50,320
returning some money, but it doesn't

2471
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:53,040
actually look like it is fire. Um fire

2472
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:53,920
has had some vacancies. I know I know it

2473
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:55,679
doesn't look like they're going to

2474
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:58,480
return much because difference between

2475
01:55:55,679 --> 01:56:00,040
the budget and the actual and they like

2476
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:02,880
projected like

2477
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:05,119
$5,000. They have a lot of comp they

2478
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:07,520
went to a lot of complication fires.

2479
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:09,679
That's where we send our fire staff and

2480
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:12,280
they declare like emergency like

2481
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:14,960
California or we'll send a fire crew out

2482
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:16,560
there and we will get reimbursed for the

2483
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,239
cost of the crew that goes out there. We

2484
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:20,880
also get reimbursed for the cost of

2485
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:22,320
anybody we have to call in to work that

2486
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:24,719
person's crew. So we call in a

2487
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:26,800
firefighter to cover the station. We get

2488
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:29,599
paid the crew out there and approve the

2489
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,760
station. So there's a lot of overtime

2490
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:34,400
occurred there, but we've got the

2491
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:37,840
revenue we get into consultation revenue

2492
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:40,440
to receive that. Um it doesn't show

2493
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:42,719
fully up in the resources because we

2494
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:44,080
got little over about a quart million

2495
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:47,480
dollars of that revenue. The general

2496
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:49,080
fund is prior just went down to

2497
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:51,760
California.

2498
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:54,719
California doesn't pay the fastest. We

2499
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:58,480
probably won't get that money till late

2500
01:56:54,719 --> 01:57:00,400
fall of this year. So, so we incur the

2501
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:04,440
expenditures and we budgeted the revenue

2502
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:04,440
next year. So, it's

2503
01:57:07,159 --> 01:57:14,000
got so reimbursement. Yeah, we have

2504
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:16,080
reverse recruitment. Yes. And we get I

2505
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,520
think the fire trucks are about $100 an

2506
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:21,080
hour and you get paid from the time they

2507
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:23,400
leave till the time they pull back in.

2508
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:27,199
So, so those

2509
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:27,199
deficits that we see

2510
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:35,960
there for the next three four years

2511
01:57:37,639 --> 01:57:41,840
disappear we'll explain I'll explain

2512
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:44,360
that in a second. So you'll see for this

2513
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:46,440
year we budgeted a deficit of

2514
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:48,880
$592,000

2515
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:50,880
basically knowing we probably would hit

2516
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:53,520
that deficit due to staff vacancies.

2517
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:56,040
You'll see we're actually going to we're

2518
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,480
actually projecting a surplus of about

2519
01:57:56,040 --> 01:58:00,400
$750,000 this year due to a lot of those

2520
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:04,000
staff vacancies and some other expenses

2521
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:07,000
not being paid. So go down to the next

2522
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,000
page.

2523
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:15,920
Sure. the municipal court. Is that um is

2524
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:20,480
that the expenditures of us sending some

2525
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:22,400
of the signs that we collect over to

2526
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:24,239
we the municipal court expenditures?

2527
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:27,119
Yeah, that's that's the the personnel

2528
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:29,280
around the court software computers and

2529
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:32,000
we also have we send some of the money

2530
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:34,639
to the state some of the money down

2531
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:38,560
Washington County for example. Both

2532
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:41,040
assessments are like $62 a ticket.

2533
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:41,040
reduces the

2534
01:58:43,719 --> 01:58:48,920
ticket6. So

2535
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:53,719
yeah, I really like I really

2536
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:57,119
love this. So you'll see beginning fund

2537
01:58:53,719 --> 01:58:59,760
balance we budgeted we projected about

2538
01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:01,639
$7.9 million fun balance. We were

2539
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:04,239
actually at about $9.3

2540
01:59:01,639 --> 01:59:06,800
million over due to some of the same

2541
01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:08,639
circumstances from the year before.

2542
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,639
And so we projected an ending fund

2543
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:12,159
balance about 7.3. We're actually going

2544
01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:15,520
to have an ending fund balance around

2545
01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:18,400
$10 million at the end of this year. And

2546
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:19,760
I looked at the cash in the bank. So

2547
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,760
here's how much cash we have the general

2548
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:23,280
fund. I kind of eyeballed how much we

2549
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,599
typically spend in the last few months.

2550
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:27,719
I'm reasonably

2551
01:59:24,599 --> 01:59:30,320
comfortable that projection

2552
01:59:27,719 --> 01:59:32,320
number. So you'll see that the next line

2553
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:34,480
item you'll see down there is the target

2554
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:38,560
fund balance. The city council has set a

2555
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:40,880
policy where they want 10% of the

2556
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:43,440
expenditure 25% of the expenditures of

2557
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:45,520
the minimum fund balance. So you'll see

2558
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:49,440
the minimum target fund balance is about

2559
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:51,480
6.7 million which is about 25% right now

2560
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:56,239
we're carrying

2561
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:59,560
376% fund balance. So go back up to

2562
01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:59,560
other page.

2563
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:07,920
So you'll see go down down expenditure

2564
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,639
like I said the revenues I projected

2565
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:12,400
some the revenues

2566
02:00:09,639 --> 02:00:15,360
out specifically for the first two years

2567
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:17,679
we have a decent idea on most of those

2568
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:19,360
other revenues are like I took property

2569
02:00:17,679 --> 02:00:20,719
taxes out a certain percent other

2570
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:22,560
revenue line items out a certain

2571
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:25,040
percentage based on historical how they

2572
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:27,199
go up a lot of our small fees don't

2573
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:30,000
change a lot I mean we raised the fee 3%

2574
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:33,679
that doesn't mean a whole lot more fee

2575
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,679
fee revenue some of them based

2576
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:40,239
So general fund expenditure sort of the

2577
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:40,239
same way I

2578
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:46,560
took for the first two years. I mean

2579
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:48,480
some of that's based on that's based on

2580
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:50,480
taking money but some of this is some of

2581
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:52,639
this is actually out of the the budget

2582
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:54,239
that we're reviewing and some of some of

2583
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:56,480
the stuff I've taken some of the

2584
02:00:54,239 --> 02:00:57,840
expenditures are requested but not

2585
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,440
approved. So I've taken some of those

2586
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:01,920
out of the budget out of the

2587
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:04,639
expenditures for next year. So I've

2588
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:06,639
tried to limit this to this projection

2589
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:08,239
is kind of based on where we currently

2590
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:10,159
are right now for how many people we

2591
02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:11,679
have, what revenues we have, what

2592
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:14,239
expenditures we're doing. I try to just

2593
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:15,520
take the current run across for the next

2594
02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:18,159
five years. I should have said that

2595
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:20,960
earlier. flower. You see the total

2596
02:01:18,159 --> 02:01:24,679
expenditures, they go up, you know,

2597
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:26,960
they're going up from $29 million and

2598
02:01:24,679 --> 02:01:29,679
this kind of roughly next year up

2599
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:32,239
through about $33 million through five

2600
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:34,719
of the projection. So, you'll see in

2601
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:37,360
each of those years again there's a

2602
02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:40,840
surplus and there's a surplus or there's

2603
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:44,080
a deficit, excuse me, um of amount in

2604
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:46,239
parentheses. Now, that is based on full

2605
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:49,679
employment. It's based on every

2606
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:52,400
authorized staff person being there

2607
02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:53,560
never having any vacancies which really

2608
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:56,719
isn't

2609
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:58,159
accurate really isn't an accurate way to

2610
02:01:56,719 --> 02:02:00,080
project things out because it doesn't

2611
02:01:58,159 --> 02:02:03,440
take into account you will have you will

2612
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:05,520
have some vacancies during it we go back

2613
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:08,080
back through the years and say

2614
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:09,360
traditionally comes up these other other

2615
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:12,000
departments they're trying to take their

2616
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:14,400
turn having vacancies people retire and

2617
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:17,360
other stuff other stuff so another way

2618
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:18,960
to put it is almost never spend the

2619
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:21,520
amount that we had budgeted. Yeah. The

2620
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:23,360
first two the first two blue columns are

2621
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:26,159
private.

2622
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:27,679
So when you see a projected deficit, you

2623
02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:30,560
might think, "Oh my gosh, we're going to

2624
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:33,440
be spending the whole chances are we

2625
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:36,560
will not have a deficit and also

2626
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:38,400
remember that the 25% that we keep in

2627
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:40,360
reserves."

2628
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:44,960
Yeah. So go back to the next

2629
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:46,960
page. Jamie question. So if they don't

2630
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:48,960
fill a vacancy, there's no risk of

2631
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:52,239
losing that headcount, those salary

2632
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:53,920
dollars. No. No. Yay. If it's an

2633
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:56,880
authorized position in the budget, the

2634
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:58,119
dollar stays. And also what we've done

2635
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:59,719
over the

2636
02:02:58,119 --> 02:03:04,080
years,

2637
02:02:59,719 --> 02:03:06,400
typically we don't we we don't if a if a

2638
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:09,360
department we try to budget material

2639
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:11,280
services fairly close. We try not to

2640
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:13,920
have a lot.

2641
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:15,199
So, so the department doesn't spend tend

2642
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:17,440
to spend all their materials and

2643
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:19,599
services budget so long as it's not a as

2644
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:22,560
long as it's within a reasonable amount.

2645
02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:25,599
We don't take that money away from them.

2646
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:27,119
My philosophy has always been I don't

2647
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:28,560
want to encourage them to spend their

2648
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:30,560
money at the end of the year just for

2649
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:32,239
the sake of spending. I'd rather keep

2650
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:33,760
the money there and then when we're

2651
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:35,360
reviewing next year's materials and

2652
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:37,280
services, we can say, "Okay, you didn't

2653
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:39,280
spend this much money this year. You're

2654
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:41,199
not projected to spend this much money.

2655
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:43,119
Do you truly need that much money next

2656
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:45,040
year? But we don't want them to try to

2657
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:47,119
get have to spend something so they

2658
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:49,920
don't lose. In other words, you don't

2659
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:53,080
play games with me, I won't

2660
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:53,080
do it.

2661
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:58,560
I don't get it. So I've always we've

2662
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,320
always done it that way and I think

2663
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:03,599
that's the best way the best way to do

2664
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:05,520
it. So, so you'll see you any fund

2665
02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:09,679
balance report it's going down because

2666
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:12,719
of those uh deficits that you saw. And

2667
02:04:09,679 --> 02:04:14,480
so if we didn't do anything and let's

2668
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:17,040
say there's some miracle we had full

2669
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:20,960
employment of those five years the next

2670
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:23,119
five years when we got to the when we

2671
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:26,000
get to the end of the five years our

2672
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:28,199
target fun our forecast fund balance any

2673
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:32,880
fund balance would be about $5.6 6

2674
02:04:28,199 --> 02:04:35,800
million which is about 17.2% of

2675
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:38,880
expenditures. Now

2676
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:42,480
17.2% the GFA recommends a minimum fund

2677
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:44,360
balance around 16%.

2678
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:47,599
What the government finance offices

2679
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:49,599
association recommends about a minimum

2680
02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:51,560
fund balance about two months operating

2681
02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:56,119
expenses which is about

2682
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:59,880
16%. So it's even that 17.2% 2% is

2683
02:04:56,119 --> 02:05:01,400
within is within the

2684
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:06,840
is

2685
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:08,960
balance. So just just kind of if I

2686
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:11,280
could I think you may have mentioned it

2687
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:14,080
earlier if I missed it I apologize. It

2688
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:16,719
is the 25% you see up there right now is

2689
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:19,840
current city policy. So the reserves

2690
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:23,639
that we have right now try to retain a

2691
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,639
25% reserve.

2692
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:30,560
When Jamie gets back, what I'm going to

2693
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:34,480
do is I'm going to show you

2694
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:34,480
essentially the same forecast with

2695
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:40,719
adjustments, right? I wanted to clarify

2696
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:42,560
just one thing just in case. So the

2697
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:44,480
forecast that you're seeing here and

2698
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:48,159
chair Anderson also mentioned this all

2699
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:50,719
the two. This does assume full input and

2700
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:52,800
as it was mentioned earlier, you almost

2701
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:54,520
never have full input. It just doesn't

2702
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:56,679
happen. You're going to have

2703
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:58,639
vacancies. A lot of

2704
02:05:56,679 --> 02:06:00,560
organizations, shouldn't say a lot, but

2705
02:05:58,639 --> 02:06:02,960
some organizations also look at what's

2706
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:05,320
called vacancy factor. You kind of

2707
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:08,320
factor in what you think it might

2708
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:10,719
be. Inherent in that process, however,

2709
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:12,520
is just a little bit more risk. And so

2710
02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:14,880
there's different kind of ways to do

2711
02:06:12,520 --> 02:06:17,199
budgets. This way assumes full

2712
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:19,440
expenditures, but it also budgets

2713
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:21,920
revenue as well. And so it's a very kind

2714
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:23,119
of prudent way to look at your budget. I

2715
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:25,199
think there's always kind of different

2716
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:28,239
lenses in which you can look. This is

2717
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:30,639
what I would call a prudent and kind of

2718
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:33,040
um fiscally sustainable way to look at

2719
02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:34,440
your budget because it does make these

2720
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,560
kind of

2721
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:37,920
assumptions. Another lens to kind of

2722
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:39,440
look at this is the one that Paul is

2723
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:41,840
going to present next, which will be

2724
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:43,679
essentially kind of a 2% vacancy factor,

2725
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:45,840
which would assume that you will have

2726
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:49,040
some turnover in positions, you will

2727
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:51,040
have some savings from vacancies.

2728
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:52,320
there there's looking at that kind of

2729
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:54,480
scenario. It's a good scenario to look

2730
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:57,520
at it is a very difficult scenario

2731
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:59,920
however to predict right because you

2732
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:01,360
just don't know and so that's just one

2733
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:03,400
thing to kind of keep in mind as you

2734
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:05,920
look over these different scenarios and

2735
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:08,560
what what the implications are as you

2736
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:11,800
move it through time. So sorry but as

2737
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:13,599
far as we look back we look back we've

2738
02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:16,159
always you want to bring up the next

2739
02:07:13,599 --> 02:07:19,520
file. Yeah. Are you wanting B2 of the

2740
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:21,840
same file? B2. Yes. Okay,

2741
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:25,079
let me know if this is premature, but

2742
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:29,440
I'm curious how it factor

2743
02:07:25,079 --> 02:07:29,440
in mandates, legislative

2744
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:35,040
mandates

2745
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:43,679
housing that we're not sure because if

2746
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,079
we don't meet we don't meet the

2747
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:47,400
production

2748
02:07:45,079 --> 02:07:50,000
goals, I mean when do we have to

2749
02:07:47,400 --> 02:07:51,679
deductible. What's the time? What I mean

2750
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,639
by expense, I mean, I assume there's

2751
02:07:51,679 --> 02:07:55,800
going to be more expenses that try to

2752
02:07:53,639 --> 02:07:58,560
get essentially

2753
02:07:55,800 --> 02:08:01,360
maybe there's there's a number of kind

2754
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:03,119
of different ways to answer that. One of

2755
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:05,199
I'll give you an example in police.

2756
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:07,199
There was a recent piece of legislation

2757
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:11,520
passed that said if you have a police

2758
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:14,400
entity of 35 or more, you have to do an

2759
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:16,679
annual audit. Okay? in that annual audit

2760
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:18,880
is a minimum expense of

2761
02:08:16,679 --> 02:08:20,400
$20,000. State does not offer any grants

2762
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:23,280
for that process. They don't offer even

2763
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:25,040
a staff for that process. So the

2764
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:27,280
unfunded mandate in that case is going

2765
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:30,159
to be the minimum amount of the 20,000

2766
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:32,159
bucks then also staff, right? So it's a

2767
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:33,760
little bit sometimes there's not clear

2768
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:36,719
connection with that with housing

2769
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:38,800
production. If that results in say 40%

2770
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:41,440
extra work for FTP, you might be able to

2771
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:43,760
get that through a grant through DLC for

2772
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:46,159
development. If you do, great. Go that

2773
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:47,920
route. It might result in materials

2774
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:49,679
expenses. It might result in consulting

2775
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:51,679
expenses. So, it's really going to be

2776
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:54,880
kind of situational dependent on what

2777
02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:57,119
the mandate is, how you have to meet it.

2778
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:58,480
And to the best that we can as we go

2779
02:08:57,119 --> 02:08:59,920
through this, we'll try and point that

2780
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:02,280
out. If there's a state mandate that

2781
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:06,239
comes down, how responding to

2782
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:07,679
it regard both of those. They're both

2783
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:11,040
still a little ways out there. So, I

2784
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:13,199
don't know that. and you got there's

2785
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:15,199
also a menu of options. So you don't

2786
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:17,840
necessarily have to spend all that

2787
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:20,719
money. So for example with housing

2788
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:22,960
production strategies there's yes you

2789
02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:26,000
have to plan for that you can choose to

2790
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:27,599
spend a whole bunch of money and also

2791
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:30,800
apply for a grant to pay for that

2792
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:33,840
planner or here's a list here's a menu

2793
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:36,599
that DLC has actually provided you pick

2794
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:42,679
off that list. So you've got sort of

2795
02:09:36,599 --> 02:09:42,679
like teach options on how to meet

2796
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:47,520
I mean the state may set housing

2797
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:51,400
production goals but if you don't have

2798
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:51,400
any buildable land

2799
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:56,239
can you also say what is the

2800
02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:06,560
cost sorry didn't do it my handrian

2801
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:08,000
Brian and Dan, that's going to be a very

2802
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:09,520
interesting one for planning to work

2803
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:12,159
through. I mean, they've also got the

2804
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:13,599
potential bullet in there on the uh gun

2805
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:16,800
permits.

2806
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:18,800
Well, curious just a process question is

2807
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:20,960
do we does that part of the process to

2808
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:25,119
have list you know here are all the

2809
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:27,360
imminent mandates and when they land and

2810
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:30,159
and then each one I guess branches out

2811
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:31,920
into the different ways in which there's

2812
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:34,360
a material increase in the budget of

2813
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:36,719
source associated with

2814
02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:39,360
that and we'll point to what the expense

2815
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:39,360
category would

2816
02:10:39,639 --> 02:10:44,320
be like one that came to mind was I

2817
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:45,800
don't know if we're planning on that

2818
02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:49,119
this

2819
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:52,880
year, but we're very close.

2820
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:52,880
Yeah. So we do have to start

2821
02:10:53,079 --> 02:10:56,960
think well I mean that's

2822
02:10:57,159 --> 02:11:01,520
so expens associated with the

2823
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:04,079
accreditation process is going to be on

2824
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:04,079
top of that

2825
02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:16,920
official services.

2826
02:11:36,119 --> 02:11:40,159
cities

2827
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:41,400
which have got to start doing those July

2828
02:11:40,159 --> 02:11:43,639
1st

2829
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:47,920
2026

2830
02:11:43,639 --> 02:11:51,239
forunately you're concerned about $60

2831
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:53,520
per staff that fee didn't cover the

2832
02:11:51,239 --> 02:11:57,920
cost but we're talking about raising the

2833
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:57,920
fee to $150 which has other implications

2834
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:03,840
But it helps cover. I guess the only

2835
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:05,880
other thing I would mention about

2836
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:07,840
[Music]

2837
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:09,840
self there are groups that we

2838
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:12,159
participate in whether it's city

2839
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:14,880
managers whether it's chiefs of police

2840
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:16,800
whether it's fire events board where if

2841
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:18,400
everybody's dealing with the same thing

2842
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:21,599
sometimes you can find a way to come

2843
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:23,440
together and deal with it right maybe

2844
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:25,360
you can join a common contract and

2845
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,960
everybody pays a little bit and that

2846
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:29,520
contract does it for everybody and you

2847
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:32,000
look for the expense on a per basis

2848
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:34,159
can't do it all yourself Right. So like

2849
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:36,239
Paul's example, I think there's a lot of

2850
02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:38,000
discussion to be had about okay one

2851
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:40,960
entity does it but everybody pays into

2852
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:44,280
that entity scale. We do a lot of things

2853
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:46,880
like that already a lot. Um

2854
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:48,679
and building inspection process is good

2855
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:52,159
example. They don't

2856
02:12:48,679 --> 02:12:53,960
do super high level certification can't

2857
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:56,480
afford to do it. County does it for

2858
02:12:53,960 --> 02:12:58,760
everybody. It's a lot less expensive.

2859
02:12:56,480 --> 02:13:00,719
Dispatch is another

2860
02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:02,480
example. So

2861
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:04,239
It's just how you know how you respond

2862
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:07,440
to these mandates. It's going to vary

2863
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:07,440
depending on the mandate and

2864
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:13,639
spirit. Just since we're in a

2865
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:17,239
legislative

2866
02:13:13,639 --> 02:13:21,679
session, at what point is is

2867
02:13:17,239 --> 02:13:24,960
there staff being able to identify bills

2868
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:28,520
that have some budgetary consequence

2869
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:28,520
that we should beating?

2870
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:35,920
There's nothing that come to mind right

2871
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,920
now.

2872
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:41,199
Um come to mind right now. There's been

2873
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:42,800
a lot of conversation about housing

2874
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:46,760
production, but it's not necessarily a

2875
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:51,079
mandate. It's kind of just changing some

2876
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:56,719
existing that's not

2877
02:13:51,079 --> 02:13:56,719
something. So I don't have

2878
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:09,840
associated. Okay, this you'll see this

2879
02:14:06,159 --> 02:14:11,480
is essentially the same same forecast

2880
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:14,719
with just

2881
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:18,679
some modifications. So if you go down,

2882
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:23,199
you'll see the title 98% of extended.

2883
02:14:18,679 --> 02:14:25,440
So down to it down to the bottom.

2884
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:27,599
So you'll see

2885
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:31,560
a little bit more.

2886
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:34,400
Okay. So you'll see let's say we

2887
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:38,239
assumed the expendit the vacancies and

2888
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:41,239
other not expenditures and so we only

2889
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:45,639
spent 98% what we were projecting the

2890
02:14:41,239 --> 02:14:48,520
budget. You would see there are still

2891
02:14:45,639 --> 02:14:51,199
deficits, but the deficits are much

2892
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:53,679
lower. They're probably more within the

2893
02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:56,159
range of where we probably hit based on

2894
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:57,920
just based on historicals looking back

2895
02:14:56,159 --> 02:14:59,960
historically on what percentage we

2896
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:02,719
typically don't

2897
02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:05,360
spend at all historically. Oh, we don't.

2898
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:07,760
But yeah, but some Yeah, some will some

2899
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:12,599
we've had some, but you'll see the

2900
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:12,599
deficits are much smaller and

2901
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:16,719
is consequential. So we'll go to the

2902
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,719
next

2903
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:21,840
page. So you look at the fund balance,

2904
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:25,360
you look at the beginning fund balance

2905
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:26,679
or the ending fund balances. If that we

2906
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:29,639
started with $10

2907
02:15:26,679 --> 02:15:32,119
million, we would end with about $8.7

2908
02:15:29,639 --> 02:15:35,520
million. So we would

2909
02:15:32,119 --> 02:15:37,520
end so if we didn't spend every if all

2910
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:39,840
the revenue came in exactly as budgeted,

2911
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:42,079
we only spent 98% of our expenditures

2912
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:45,280
over the next five years. we would end

2913
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:48,079
up with about $8.2 million I mean excuse

2914
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:51,760
me $ 8.7 million in fund balance which

2915
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:54,960
is like 26% of our fund balance 26% fun

2916
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:58,639
balance level which is just which is 1%

2917
02:15:54,960 --> 02:16:00,480
above the target so it's not so it's

2918
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:03,199
just you see the difference between the

2919
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:05,880
two two forecast like I said there's a

2920
02:16:03,199 --> 02:16:09,400
little bit more risk if you take this

2921
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:12,639
forecast because don't have

2922
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:12,639
latencies not

2923
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:25,840
traditionally significant.

2924
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:25,840
So just an active consideration as to

2925
02:16:27,079 --> 02:16:31,920
whe part of when we're looking at part

2926
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:33,639
of when we're looking at the decisions

2927
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:36,319
being the

2928
02:16:33,639 --> 02:16:38,800
budget take a look at what's kind of

2929
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:40,800
what's realistic and I like when we're

2930
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:42,639
budgeting this I mean we looked at just

2931
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:44,200
the other one we'd be saying no we can't

2932
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:47,359
prove anything but

2933
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:49,359
that's based on based on history

2934
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:51,840
typically our revenues right about what

2935
02:16:49,359 --> 02:16:55,359
we are

2936
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:58,719
maybe like 1% above some of the areas

2937
02:16:55,359 --> 02:17:01,040
and the expenditures we I don't remember

2938
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:03,840
too many years where we spent all the

2939
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:06,080
funds that we budgeted that would be

2940
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:10,479
that would be more exception than norm

2941
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:13,439
so there's there's good basis looking at

2942
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:14,960
this as a looking at this 98% of

2943
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:16,559
expenditure forecast when we're

2944
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:18,120
reviewing the budgets we're kind of

2945
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:20,319
saying

2946
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:23,319
realistically what do we You might

2947
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:23,319
expect

2948
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:33,960
decades of experience doing this.

2949
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:39,160
We have

2950
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:43,880
Yeah.

2951
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:50,800
So

2952
02:17:47,559 --> 02:17:53,040
that's that's why I have any general

2953
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:55,399
questions or anything up to you. You

2954
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:58,160
want to take questions

2955
02:17:55,399 --> 02:18:00,240
after question. Paul, you still had one

2956
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:05,080
other document on your list with

2957
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:05,080
staffing. Oh, okay.

2958
02:18:06,319 --> 02:18:11,040
No, this is No, this is an easy one.

2959
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:13,760
Essentially, when we're looking at this

2960
02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:17,719
one, you want to zoom up. Um I'm when

2961
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:21,760
we're doing the levy needs assessment

2962
02:18:17,719 --> 02:18:23,399
um we were looking at we looked at we

2963
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:27,080
were looking at adding

2964
02:18:23,399 --> 02:18:29,559
position two on the top line that

2965
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:31,719
added

2966
02:18:29,559 --> 02:18:34,599
first then we were

2967
02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:36,599
looking we're looking at the

2968
02:18:34,599 --> 02:18:40,639
uh you'll see

2969
02:18:36,599 --> 02:18:42,960
the blue column 2526 the lending needs

2970
02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:45,240
assessment show that We look at adding

2971
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:49,040
three firefighters that

2972
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:53,760
year. See the cost of those firefighters

2973
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:55,840
for the whole year. Then 26 27 we're

2974
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:58,679
looking at adding potentially adding the

2975
02:18:55,840 --> 02:19:02,040
two police officers recreation

2976
02:18:58,679 --> 02:19:05,679
coordinator we've already added. We've

2977
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:08,960
moved we've added the point42 utility

2978
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:10,800
worker by moving used that parks person

2979
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:12,800
used to work seven months in parks five

2980
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:15,280
months in line power now they work all

2981
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:18,120
12 months in parks that's how the parks

2982
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:22,599
got the benefit of that staff person

2983
02:19:18,120 --> 02:19:24,880
back then so we've got so the blue

2984
02:19:22,599 --> 02:19:27,359
highlights are what we've got to

2985
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:28,040
consider from the needs assessments over

2986
02:19:27,359 --> 02:19:31,439
the

2987
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:32,679
next two years firefighters the two

2988
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:37,719
police

2989
02:19:32,679 --> 02:19:37,719
officers seeing projection

2990
02:19:40,399 --> 02:19:45,120
pretty low. We got staff staff at

2991
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:47,599
several departments have started kind of

2992
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:51,200
looking at what do other cities have

2993
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:53,560
staff and there's probably not too many

2994
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:56,399
or any

2995
02:19:53,560 --> 02:19:58,560
department probably lower most cities

2996
02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:00,640
and staff.

2997
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:04,080
Now we we made a change in it last year.

2998
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:05,840
We had an IT staff because of staff.

2999
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:08,560
This chart is intended under the money

3000
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:09,920
to cover those four general funds. So

3001
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:11,520
community development you can look at

3002
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:14,760
other fund sources besides just the

3003
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:18,760
general fund. This

3004
02:20:14,760 --> 02:20:18,760
was for

3005
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:26,399
planning fees through other

3006
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:29,600
self-sustaining sources other than

3007
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:32,280
discretionary fund

3008
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:36,520
because we budget review as the

3009
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:40,359
community say review funding

3010
02:20:36,520 --> 02:20:43,359
sources with associate new funding

3011
02:20:40,359 --> 02:20:45,280
sources legitimately charge some of that

3012
02:20:43,359 --> 02:20:47,600
associate planners building permits

3013
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:49,280
fund. That's a consideration. The

3014
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:52,399
building permits fund has about has

3015
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:56,040
about $3.5 million. They could collect

3016
02:20:52,399 --> 02:20:58,720
no money, no changes probably five

3017
02:20:56,040 --> 02:21:01,520
years and that's after we took $3.2

3018
02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:05,160
million of that money to build the build

3019
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:05,160
the build.

3020
02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:08,760
building perfect.

3021
02:21:13,359 --> 02:21:17,080
I don't know. We want

3022
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:23,280
I think we have to take an analysis of

3023
02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:24,880
where the how much the revenue is coming

3024
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:27,439
in, whether that was kind of onetime

3025
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:30,080
revenue associated with a large project,

3026
02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:32,000
what the future revenue projections are.

3027
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:34,720
But right now we can safely say that

3028
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:36,080
it's a very healthy fund and it is a

3029
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:39,359
candidate to look at a possible

3030
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:42,000
reduction. Just have to be careful when

3031
02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:44,479
we can't hire a person out of that. You

3032
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:47,040
might be able to. Yes.

3033
02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:49,359
Certain aspects of certain position it

3034
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:51,359
does have to be related however to that

3035
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:53,359
function. So you can't stray too far

3036
02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:54,880
from there.

3037
02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:56,000
The other thing I would just maybe point

3038
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:58,240
out about this, there was a question

3039
02:21:56,000 --> 02:22:00,000
earlier about a banual budget. This is

3040
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:01,840
one of the reasons for looking at banial

3041
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:04,399
budget. Obviously in this we're

3042
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:06,160
forecasting out over five years, but the

3043
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:07,760
next two years can give you a much

3044
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:09,280
better picture about those potential

3045
02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:10,720
positions and how to bring those into

3046
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:14,080
the budget than if you were just looking

3047
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:16,800
at it in one year. Um, and so if you

3048
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:18,560
look at that on a one-year basis, it's a

3049
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:20,160
lot of positions to try and do in just

3050
02:22:18,560 --> 02:22:22,160
one year. We might be able to look at

3051
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:25,120
this over a longer period and absorb

3052
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:26,640
that cost and also that revenue over a

3053
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:29,120
little bit longer but still accomplish

3054
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:29,120
the same

3055
02:22:29,880 --> 02:22:33,920
thing. It's safe to say that we are

3056
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:34,680
looking at those positions. However, as

3057
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:36,880
part of

3058
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:39,200
the appointment made to the community

3059
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:41,760
and levy for that all the assumptions

3060
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:44,160
stay the same from staff and a planning

3061
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:45,920
perspective. We feel like we have

3062
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:47,760
direction to move forward and do our

3063
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:50,000
best to try and include that in any

3064
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:51,640
perspective budget budget that's going

3065
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:55,080
to be presented to

3066
02:22:51,640 --> 02:23:00,760
this. We're working on that right

3067
02:22:55,080 --> 02:23:00,760
now. Any other questions anybody has?

3068
02:23:02,350 --> 02:23:08,840
[Music]

3069
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,840
Thank you so much.