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All right. All right. We'll call this meeting in order.

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Dan, do you want to know what role call please?

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All right, we'll note it for a minute.

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I'll ask everyone to rise for a pledge of allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of America.

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And to the Republic for which it stands, on nation, on regard in the visible liberty of justice for all.

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Dan, can you get you to see if anybody send it for open form?

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Eric Langness.

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Mayor and city council.

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So Eric like this, 96, 10, 22, 23rd Street North Forest Lake Minnesota, 5525.

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I watched your most recent City Council meeting live on cable and was further appalled

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by comments made by our mayor and winnick.

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You said you have a couple of issues with a couple of people and first single of me out

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specifically in my role as a planning commissioner.

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I highly suggest that you consult our city attorney before you make further disparaging

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comments about myself, other pointed members of our city boards, or staff in a public form

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without notice to those who you wish to go on record at school.

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It's the same thing you did to me, Eric, and then calling you out, not as your duties as a

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planning commissioner, at the comments you made afterwards, and I'll be glad to talk to you

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about that anytime you want.

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I'd like to finish with my three minutes.

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Furthermore, for someone that has recently demonstrated such an absence of courage, you've got

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a lot of nerve calling me a liar.

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Let me speak my three minutes.

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No, I'm not going to see that opportunity if you just can sit here and try to, I'm going

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to clarify the record here.

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Go right ahead.

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And I'm going to make the record crystal clear for you since you chose to tell lies about

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me in those few minutes.

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In fact, about all you got correct was that I'm a planning commissioner.

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First, you said that I called you out for your vote, which I most certainly did not do.

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In fact, during my comments in the Planning Commission, I specifically said that I respect that the particular children's mental health facility,

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and associate a text amendment vote where the power of counsel and I respect it's your decision.

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I made it crystal clear in my comments that I was appalled by the fact that you suggested the

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planning commission didn't do their job.

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Similarly, during the ongoing debate, you said the same of staff at one point in the

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public meeting telling them you wish they'd do their job.

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You then said I put it out on the internet, which is also a lie.

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An activist put it online, and while I certainly shared the video clip, it was not a production

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I created.

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You further went on to state that I put it on my own websites, which is also a lie.

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I own a single domain, Eric Langness.com, which I only used for my email.

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I suspect you were alluding to the Facebook social media page, Washington County Watchdog,

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which happens to be a page that I'm one of numerous moderators for, but certainly not the only one.

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In fact, the vast majority of its content on the page is not me.

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That said, those that run the page primarily wish to remain anonymous, and we rarely ever share who creates specific posts.

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You do not know who posted it on that page.

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You then said, it's wrong, it's a cheap shot, and you know I'm upset, you didn't appoint me to counsel.

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I've never said I was upset that you didn't appoint me, and in fact I'm not upset about it.

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Do I find it disgusting that you chose someone specifically so they would vote your way on the upcoming tax amendment?

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Absolutely. It's infuriating to me that you chose to abuse power in such a fashion.

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I never abuse power and that's not what it is. You then framed me.

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You then framed me as anti-business because I voted against expanding hours late into the night for an existing bar

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that's in the middle of a residential district. You must have fallen asleep during the comments section where I

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express positive comments about aqua, and said I was willing to expand their hours, but thought

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that the request went beyond what I felt was appropriate for the neighborhood. I'm both

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a strong proponent of business and our residents.

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You finished with...

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I'm proponent of business, but yet when Minards wanted to, you wouldn't let them expand without

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a second drive.

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Obviously you didn't listen to that entire commentary I had either.

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If I could continue.

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property, you didn't know all that either?

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If I could continue, this is supposed to be a public forum where you listened to the public.

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I could listen to the public, but I'm not going to listen to why, isn't I?

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I'm not going to listen to somebody that's having a...

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You're the one that's saying the lies, Mayor Winnick.

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You finished with a comment about me that you didn't know how many other businesses I've voted against,

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and that may be true. There's a lot you don't know.

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You said, just did I called you without giving you an opportunity to be an attendance and respond?

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Well, at our next planning commission meeting, you showed up thinking you were the liaison when in fact just weeks prior

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You appointed councilmember Bain to serve in that role. Maybe you should have shown up to fulfill the duty you thought you had

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But even so our planning commission is always welcomed our elected representatives to join in our public meetings where we transparently make decisions

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For someone that has shown such cowardice behavior to our community in recent times. You've got a lot in your calling me a liar

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You're like really pushing it Eric

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We'll see you sometime when they're not in here.

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We'll see you as a coward then.

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You piece of shit.

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No, that's what he did as well.

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And all of the was.

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All of the was.

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Welcome, Jim.

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Yes, please.

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When it members of the Council, thank you for the opportunity to be here this evening.

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and before we get into the reason for our discussion this evening, I would be remiss if I didn't once again think all of you for the support you have shown in the Mercer group and in me particularly to assist you in this incredibly important recruitment that we are embarking on.

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So, tonight, as I hope you've had the opportunity to glean from the memorandum I prepared,

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is an important step in that process.

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It's one of the preliminary steps, but nevertheless an incredibly, at least from my perspective,

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incredibly important step, because it will give us an opportunity to, after our conversation

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tonight to, at some point in the very near future, finalize the content for a recruitment profile,

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which will be the major recruitment document that we will use in soliciting applications for your next city administrator.

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So as you noted from the memorandum, there are a number of questions that I have specifically for you to give me direction on this evening.

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And of course there may be other things that you would like to have edited or changed or deleted or whatever the case may be.

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It is your document, not mine, I've made my best first step or first draft attempt to, I think, put together what reflects not only the community but the position and the priorities that you have identified both in my conversations with you individually and from the materials and resource information that I've had access to over the last few weeks, but there's no pride in authorship here, it is your document and I'm looking for your direction.

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as you know from the memorandum as well, the other piece of the process that is discussed

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in here concerns the interview process, both for what I've called semi-finalist as a way

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to distinguish them from the people that will ultimately become finalists that you will interview

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the four, five, six, or many that number turns out to be that will be identified as finalists.

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Well, while those questions are listed in this memorandum this evening, I would say it's not as important that they be resolved tonight that maybe a discussion that you want to have with your city attorney or maybe one that you want to have as a council at a date in the coming weeks.

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But I think before obviously before we get to the end of the recruitment process, we'll have to have clarity on how it is we're going to proceed both with semi-finalist interviews if that's to occur.

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and then ultimately the process for interview with finalists.

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For sake of convenience, they're outlined the recommendations or the options are outlined in this memorandum.

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But again, I want to emphasize that it's not imperative that some of those questions with respect to process B result.

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Again, for this evening, my primary interest is in the recruitment profile.

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So, if that Mr. Mayor perhaps, I'll stop and answer any questions you might have before we get into the content.

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I'll also say that we have a copy of the self-saint Paul recruitment profile that is loaded that you can see on your screen if you're interested in it.

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Dan tells me that you have seen that previously and that was a companion document that the proposal I gave you back in April.

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I'm not going to go through it unless you want to, but if there's questions about what the final document might look like, obviously the content will be very different and the layout will be somewhat different, but it'll give you a good idea of what you can expect from the final document.

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Well, Jim, thank you.

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I think it's going through it.

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I thought it was very thorough.

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I think identified, and just going through it,

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I could see different views from the council here.

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So it isn't just, for me, it isn't just a generic document that you did.

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it. I think you really did listen to what we were as a group asking for. A couple of questions

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though. You've done this a lot more than we have. Which is a good thing. Yeah. You're going

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to come across candidates that are extremely well qualified, but they might not quit what we're

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looking for. But, you know, I'm kind of torn at that point because, you know, I'd also

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like to, you know, I mean, if there's that I, you know, really good candidate, but yet, you

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know, we're looking for the XYZ and they're, you know, XY and, hey, are you going to forward

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some like that or are you using just our qualifications as a complete yes or no package?

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First of all, I think that's a very good question, because I think sometimes a review process

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like this can be too literal, it can be too focused on what the criteria are.

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They are important and certainly in order to focus attention on this position, you have to

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start somewhere and you have to say, here are what we are looking for.

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That said, perhaps the biggest, I don't know that mistake is the right word, because that's

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it too strong. But I think the biggest error that sometimes can be made when people are doing this that haven't

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made this kind of decision for a long time or maybe never is to get too focused on a candidate's

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education on a candidate's experience, where that was years of experience and so forth. And as I've

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tried to indicate in this report, that is important, it clearly is. But hopefully by the time we get through

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the review process or the application process, the people that you're going to be looking

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at are all going to be qualified in one way or another for this position.

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And to satisfy the concern that you have, I hope this does anyway, you will get a report

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from me that has at least some explanation of the background of all of the candidates.

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As I mentioned in the report, assuming we get an adequate number of applications, my intent

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would be to divide those applications into three categories.

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those that I think are most qualified, and ones that I have had phone interviews with, a middle

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group that I think are intriguing. And to your point, Mayor, that may be the group that for whatever

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reason comes up short on one of the application or the recruitment criteria, but seems to have

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a really interesting background in another area. I can think of one candidate for example from a

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the previous recruitment, who had a really very, very strong

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marketing background.

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Also, I had a governmental background, but didn't have the

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years of experience as a city administrator that some of the other

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candidates had, so I'm hopeful it's a long-winded answer to your

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question, but I'm hopeful that we'll be able to give you enough

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information that you'll be able to ask questions of candidates that

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may intrigue you that I didn't see, and hopefully I'm going to be

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brought enough in my examination of the applications to make sure that

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to get a variety of people to look at.

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All right, yeah, that was great answer, so.

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Okay, appreciate that.

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I hope you have the council for any questions or comments?

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I do have a question, I think there was some concern

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whether we should expand a search for national.

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Well, my intent right now, Council Member Eignars,

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to do that, our normal process would be to undertake

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a national recruitment.

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And honestly, I would encourage you to do that.

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I think it will ultimately benefit you to have a greater number

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of applicants to look at.

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I'm not a person who believes that experience in Minnesota

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makes a candidate superior to another candidate necessary.

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Early, I think it's can be important. I think it's a value certainly, but I think it's too myopic to exclude people who might otherwise be an ideal candidate for you.

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And so I would recommend you do a national recruitment, but that certainly is your call.

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And then in the year experience, especially if you recruited in the state of Minnesota, do you find a trend or a timeline that the same names keep coming up as they choose to advance?

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Or is that not the case?

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It isn't, it isn't.

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There are, I would believe that with this recruitment

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giving the timing of it, I'm going to see some

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applications from people who recently applied to

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South Snake Paul, for example, which was the most

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recruitment that, or the most recent

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recruitment that I was working on.

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That said, it's not going to be an identical

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list by any measure.

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I think the communities are different to

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I think we're going to see a different pool, but there will be some common applications.

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And I can tell you, in fact, that there are a couple of people that were in that pool that I didn't necessarily think were perhaps best suited for a self-saint Paul that might be more attractive for this kind of community.

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So I have to see, but I'm guessing we'll see some of the same people.

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My final question is, do you have other recruiters that are referring candidates to you?

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Yes, we do.

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We've got about 15 or so people like me around the country that work pretty much regionally

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on recruitment like this.

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And when we get the recruitment profile approved,

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I will be sending it to all of the people that are in our network as well

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and a couple of in particular that I have a good relationship with and trust their judgment to say,

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do you have anybody that might be worth contacting that either you or I can get hold of to encourage them to apply?

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And that generally works to generate maybe one or two applications in a recruitment like this, I would say.

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Thank you.

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Now, if we want to bring forward a council nominee as well or a candidate,

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is that something

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that can be included or ties in with through?

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Mayor, certainly the recruitment process will be open to anyone that wishes to apply.

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And if there are people that you or members of the council feel would be good applicants,

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I would suggest that you have them either just send me the application material or have

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them contact me, and we can talk about the position, and I can certainly help them with

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the recruitment process.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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I think I got one more for sure.

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Is there can we have some type of requirement within this recruitment or this position that whoever's hired must live within a certain radius or distance of force like I mean I don't think we can say you have to live in force like but you know if there's 30 miles away now and commuting every day or whatever I just don't you know I'm questioning that.

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Mr. Mayor, I know you're correct about the requirement to live within the community.

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You cannot do that unless certain about how the law applies.

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I know that there's a provision in the law that says if there is a job related

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reason for the person to be within proximity, whatever that turns out to be, that's permissible.

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But without doing some additional research, and actually I think would be something the city

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turning out to give you an opinion on rather than me when we get to that point.

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And I would say that that's a question when we get down the road a little bit further and

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we see the applicants that you have because there may be an absolutely stellar candidate

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that all of you think is exactly the right person and he or she may not be as close to some

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the other candidates. So I think it would be maybe unnecessary early on to, you know, say

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that this is something that a requirement for people to put it.

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I had one concern in the packet for deimitation for administrator under

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major initiatives

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for the future. I think the first two bullet points, organizational assessment and team building

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are pretty spot on.

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I kind of feel a language could be interpreted

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to say that there's a problem with staff

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or say, Morales in peril.

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Yeah, I said it's spot on as far as the content.

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I think the delivery might kind of shy somebody away

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thinking that there's a turmoil here.

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I'd like to see the council's take on it.

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Maybe it's just the way I read it.

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Maybe we'll work a little more friendly.

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So we're on page 17 under major initiatives for the future, the first two bullet points.

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I just don't want to feel like a shortening situation, someone will be walking into.

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But the content is very inclusive.

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Well, and it gets at a little bit of a dilemma I had on trying to make sure that I prepared

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an honest document because it does no good for anyone's purpose.

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I think, to try and deceive people and say, you know, there aren't issues.

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We all know that there are, but what I've tried to do, and perhaps maybe not as eloquently

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as it can be stated, is to let people know that some of the issues that they may be aware

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of, or they may come across in their individual reviews of background materials are what they're

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going to find is it's more issue-related, and it's not related to the city administrator

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position for example. And that is a really important point because in many communities

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where there has been, let's say significant council turnover or community issues for the

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last several years, oftentimes the city administrator is at the focal point of that. And

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rightly or wrongly the city administrator becomes kind of the personification of those

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issues. I've tried to at least indicate in here that that isn't the case based on what I heard

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in talking to you and to others. But again, I'm open if there's a better way to state

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any of this, but I'm trying to get that balance between not trying to be deceptive because

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that doesn't go very far in today's age. Anyway, plus it's not something I'd want to do.

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I think everything you have in there needs to be stated, definitely want to be honest,

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not hiding anything but just the position it's in as number two and maybe I

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just you know just look at this list and context here that organizational

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assessment absolutely smart growth absolutely structure absolutely and I

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think somebody who's going to be a skilled administrator is going to it's

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team building goals of leadership right and we have other points in here where we're

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talking about strong leadership skills that, you know, I don't know if it needs the same

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call out that we have in the other items as major initiatives.

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And maybe it's part of the organizational assessment, right?

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Right.

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A skilled administrator will come in, do an assessment, and they will diagnose what

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they're right next step based on what that looks like.

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And maybe we could include a sentence in that first bullet and get away from having that

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I agree, I mean, morale is definitely a priority for my perspective, you know, the employees need to be valued, and people being kept out of Lucas, one of those things that

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degrades morale. So it's important to keep it in there. But when I read through those first two, you know, I tried to put myself in position. If I were applying for that job, I would I feel. And it kind of threw a flag saying maybe there's some turmoil there's something I wouldn't want to step into.

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so I hope that's not the case here. I haven't heard it has, but just to kind of put that

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second thought to ease if somebody was going, what am I walking into?

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I can certainly do that if that's your desire.

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Okay. Yeah. I don't think it was a good one.

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Time to.

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Oh no, I was just going to say that this is about a thorough

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whatever expected, you know, the qualifications and this is a learning experience for me certainly

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and I sure appreciate all that you've done on this thing and I think it's dead on accurate.

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So thank you.

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Time cable, you know, it's taking us quite a while to get to this point and you know hopefully we can

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see an expedited process from here but you know what's your realistic expectations for?

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Normally, once this, and it sounds like we may be able to get this, the text of this

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approved this week, if that turns out to be true after our discussion this evening, it

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will go to our graphics person who will do the design for the brochure similar to what

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you saw for a cell same Paul. That only takes a few days at the most, so it's conceivable

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that if we get approval to night or tomorrow we could have that by if not by Friday certainly

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right after Memorial Day and once that is done and then we can begin to place ads and we'll

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do that the very same day. Once ads are placed at normally my comfort level is to have about

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five weeks and honestly I think in this case because we may need to actually be doing a lot more

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work trying to get people to consider what a good opportunity this can be. I'd rather

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I'd rather err on having it seem to be a week too long rather than a week too short.

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But that said, we've also worded the recruitment profile in a way to say that the first

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review of job applications will begin, I think we said on June 29th, I think, if I go back

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look, but that's about right.

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That doesn't mean that we're closing applications.

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And if applications come in after that,

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you would certainly be aware of it.

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And if you wanted to consider them in the process we can.

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So it's a little bit of an iterative process,

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but it would be about a five week process

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with the goal right now of trying to have the first review,

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my review of the applications to be completed

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by the end of June.

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This approval process to approve what he's doing, how are you going to work through that

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with being this a workshop and not a voting medium?

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How do we handle that?

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I think if we have a good consensus, you can go forward and we can approve it at the next

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meeting.

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Well, kind of what I was thinking.

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Yeah, correct.

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You actually don't technically need a motion.

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group as long as he's got direction day.

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The text is good enough to that.

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That's basically about a four to see

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a council feedback and make sure you guys are okay

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with the text that's there.

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And if he's not hearing that there's any major

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sticking points on there, we can release us.

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Proceeded there without having to bring it back

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from the front door motion.

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The question I have is, you mentioned that after your review,

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are you a review of one, or do you have a board

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or other people working for you that way?

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We review these candidates.

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It's me if there are candidates.

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that I have questions about, I will send it out to the network of other people that work

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for the firm and say, have any of you encountered this person if they're not people that

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I know, so I will get some feedback that way.

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And sometimes that's been very helpful.

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I was going to be my second question as to what network you had out there for people that

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are already working in that position.

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It's given my experience that I've had working in Minnesota for so many years, I will

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know most of the Minnesota candidates, I think, that are going to apply, and if not,

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I can find out very quickly from people that I network with, on a national level, it gets

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to be a little bit more difficult, but I also have a lot of contacts nationally that I can

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use.

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Okay, that was my question as to whether or not you were at a larger screening network and obviously you do, thank you

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Excellent job on the profile and you're getting kind of pulling together consensus from the sources used

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One of the things that you were looking for feedback on was at placement and you talked a little bit about the national search

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Right, my thought is you know best the pawns. You need to be fishing him and so I would you know

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use what you would typically use for a profile like us.

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I don't have a need to kind of cherry pick your list.

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You know the pool.

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Okay. That's my opinion.

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And again, the question about interview process.

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I think it's something that can wait.

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It's something you may want to kind of noodle individually and collectively.

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And think about it as we as we go through the recruitment process.

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But at some point we'll have to have some clarity about how you want to proceed both

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in defining semi-finalist or a finalist for the process.

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And that is a conversation, probably going to want to have

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with your city attorney as well, about the conflict,

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well, not the conflict, but the interaction between the data

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practices act in the open meeting law.

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Because they're both excellent laws, but when it comes

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to the application process, when about for semi-finalists,

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they create some inconsistencies that you need

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work around. The other question is not so much for you, but it's for the council. If you

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should find a candidate outside of Minnesota or wherever in the United States, how do we

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do we pay for that candidate to fly in or how is that handled? And maybe Dan, you can

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Shit some light on that. I believe to begin the past we have paid for travel for

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finalists to come in.

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Let's go back and verify that, but I know for sure hotel stays that they've come in and had to see overnight for a two-day enemy process. We've arranged for hotel stays in here. I believe if throughout state coming in, you'd also pay for hotel expenses to get here for the enemy process.

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Depending on the process that you ultimately settle on for the semi-finalist, what I would, if you're going to do interviews with a group of semi-finalists, which would be eight people to ten people perhaps.

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My recommendation at that point to you will be to do a video interview with them with all of them, whether they're from Minnesota or whether they're from Connecticut, so that they're all treated equally, and you have the same kind of interaction, granted it's not perfect, but it does give you at least a kind of a semi personal contact with these people, and it minimizes the cost as well.

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And once you get to the final stage, and it gets absolutely critical that you have everybody

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here that you're considering, and it would be very unusual for a city not to pay for

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a finalist to come in interview with you.

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I was going to clarify, too, was I thought, you know, to say I mean, I would think we would,

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but I just wanted to say my final stage.

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I want to be sure that we're all on board with that.

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And to send my final stage, I would rather be some type of video in teleconference interview with

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candidates and, you know, running them all here for that point, just to keep the level playing

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field.

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Okay.

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Well, thank you for the from us.

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No, I don't think so.

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I think, I have what I need so far and I appreciate feedback and I'm excited about this.

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Well, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Now, I think it's going to be a good recruitment.

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I think you'll be happy with the candidates.

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Do you have that anticipated number of candidates, you think you'll see?

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You know, I know I'd get that question because I always do and I thought, well, I'll really say maybe three or four and then when you get 30 or 40 you'll be realistically I would hope we get at least 30 to maybe 40 on the if we exceed 40 that would be really really good

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That's kind of what the market is right now.

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That's overall, that's overall,

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I would say you're probably going to be looking at maybe

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15 candidates that you might want to be considering 15 to 20 if we're in the 30 to 40 range.

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Something like that.

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But it does vary and it's hard to give you a number, but that's kind of what I would expect at this point.

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And do you have one last question, as these candidates, do you have some kind of these criteria?

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Do you wait them or how do you select in your own mind?

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It's a combination of kind of a checklist, do they meet the basic qualifications?

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And then it's based on the materials that they submitted my assessment of the experiences that they've had,

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my phone conversations with them.

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I don't talk to all of the candidates.

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If it's clear that they're not a candidate

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that I think has anything really to offer

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that you would want to consider.

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I'm not going to spend a half hour hour on the phone

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with every candidate, but it's both my judgment

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and my assessment of what they've submitted

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in terms of how they meet the criteria.

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OK, thank you.

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One last question from me.

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You've done this a lot more than we have.

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Is there anything you think we should add to this?

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No, sorry, I don't think so.

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All right, thank you.

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I don't.

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Any other questions?

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No, I don't.

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Thank you again.

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Look forward to working with you.

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Have a good night.

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Thank you.

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Do you want to take us to the point of yours?

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Yeah.

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Maybe I was a council.

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With Scandy, a fully withdrawing from the Joint Powers Agreement for the Cable Commission,

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there is a need to take a look at that document and make any changes.

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at this point to basically revise the joint powers agreement, to reflect that scan is

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longer and that it can be done either through a complete rewrite of the joint powers

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agreement or it's just doing a amendment.

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The joint powers agreement, kind of before we get to the conversation, you know, I did

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have a conversation, it's afternoon with Bridget, after a couple of questions on some clarifying

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aspects of the joint powers agreement.

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And so once Scandia withdraws at June 30th,

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we still have a drink hoars to do that kind of thing.

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So it will be valid.

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However, she reviewed over the weekend.

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I agree to the weekend.

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We both are kind of strongly in the position of it

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should be updated to reflect that Scandia is longer in there.

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But it's not like we need to get this taken care

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by the end of June.

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So we can take the time that we need to do this right

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to get this drink hoars to give it updated.

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The first section that I do highlight as needing to be updated

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It would be the eligible member sections, which is section five.

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At this point, I'm a recommended point.

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It's one on hold.

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Bridget reviewed the make-up of the grant powers as dictated by state statute.

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And there may be a state statute over arches that basically

437
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sets the fact that each member can only appoint two members to the commission.

438
00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:30,460
So she's not sure that that's the actual, you know, that is what we have to set our board up to

439
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:34,960
or not. So, basically at this point, we may be stuck with that four member board, just because

440
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,100
we only have two members, which would then make a quorum. Everybody has to be the every

441
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:42,580
meeting, which could potentially make quorum issues difficult. However, if we're able to

442
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:46,480
appoint the fifth member, then we could switch the quorum to a majority, which would make it a little

443
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,720
more flexibility in terms of making the quorum for meetings. However, I kind of told

444
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,560
it, and I said, we kind of would take that, put it on the table, and if we get clarification

445
00:35:53,560 --> 00:36:01,120
to whether or not we're able to kind of set the make up of the cable commission or if it's

446
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,620
mandated by state statute. So we're currently reviewing that. But a couple of the issues

447
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:11,740
that have come up that will need to be addressed in the new revision is one is for who is able

448
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:16,320
to perform the accounting work for the commission. The current joint powers agreement says that one

449
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,160
of the member bodies has to be the group that does the accounting work for the commission.

450
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,500
and Forest Lake has done it or had done it in the past

451
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:25,400
for a number of years.

452
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,260
Columbus has done it for a number of years.

453
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Scandy is currently performing that work,

454
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,300
and the Cable Commission has basically,

455
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,140
got into an agreement with Scandy to continue on

456
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:39,960
doing that work once they're beyond once they withdraw.

457
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,560
At this point, basically, the city of Forest Lake

458
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,780
and the city of Columbus had basically kind of said,

459
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,280
advised the Cable Commission to find another source

460
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,500
to do the book, just because of the extra time requirement for have the cable commission's

461
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:56,180
finances taken care of.

462
00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:00,380
We also have capacity, the Columbus workforce, like kind of given our financial staff situations

463
00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:03,580
to kind of take on a whole other set of books to maintain.

464
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,240
That being said, Scandia is currently able to do us.

465
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:10,960
We do have an agreement with them that able to continue on doing that after Scandia would draw

466
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,100
us.

467
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,720
However, we would need to update the JPA to allow that to happen.

468
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,040
In any event that Scandia then, let's say, a year from now to the stage, you know, what

469
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,420
we don't want these books either.

470
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,240
We would be able to find a qualified accounting firm

471
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,880
to do that work to do the books for Skandia,

472
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,340
or excuse me for the cable commission.

473
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,380
But that overly complicated, however,

474
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,600
there is some time involved in managing

475
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,440
and making sure that the accounting is done correctly

476
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,980
for the cable commission.

477
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,380
The cable commission, as it kind of got

478
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:40,840
into some of the audit language,

479
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,660
got through the audit process,

480
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,120
has basically made the request that we make a change

481
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,320
to the audit requirement that's currently in the JPA.

482
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,860
Right now, it basically states every two years

483
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:54,240
the board needs to go through

484
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,180
or the books need to be audited by a proven accounting firm.

485
00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:59,120
The cable commission has basically,

486
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,220
they don't want to, they feel they don't want to pay

487
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,580
for the budget savings, pay for an audit every two years.

488
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:06,140
Versus they want to go through

489
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:07,900
if they hit the threshold set by the state auditor

490
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,020
demanded an audit, but that won't be the trigger.

491
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,380
As long as they have approved financial policies

492
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:15,020
in place that are reviewed at a more frequent basis,

493
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,360
This is one where you can kind of see both sides of the arguments.

494
00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:25,160
With the current make up of the cable commission, I think a two year audit was, you could probably

495
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,320
slide that slide a little bit there in a good financial position that had a good financial

496
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,040
decision.

497
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:36,080
Recently, however you change board composition over five years, a lot of damage can be done to

498
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,940
an organization's books that you're not in audit that happens in five years, so the recommendation

499
00:38:40,940 --> 00:38:43,960
at this point for myself would be to maintain that two year audit threshold, even though

500
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,660
a cost associated with it, just to make sure that everything is done, you know, above

501
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:49,100
there.

502
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,500
However, you could alleviate that and kind of make that once they had a certain budget

503
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:54,840
threshold.

504
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:59,440
I think right now it's somewhere in the bulk park of like 220,000ish, don't recommend

505
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,660
that number kind of changes every year, but once they're operating budget, it hits that

506
00:39:02,660 --> 00:39:07,560
number, then it out of McLean, triggers an audit, they're bumping right below that

507
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:07,980
right now.

508
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,240
I mean, they're like basically just a little bit thresholds, so you could go either way

509
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:16,900
And it, however, you know, just from a strong financial management perspective, it's probably

510
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:21,300
good to maintain it to your audit as part of the Joint Powers Association, because if there

511
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,780
are any problems in the way the finances are managed, you go to catch them early and address

512
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:29,760
them before, you kind of get too far down, you know, a potential problem, and you kind of

513
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,400
had that by the past for that.

514
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,340
Basically, this item is brought forward just to kind of take a look at, you know, if there's

515
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:41,700
other items council like to see as we kind of go through, revised JPA process.

516
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,360
I guess partially the way this will work is this is kind of a joint negotiation of this

517
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,320
point between this force like say council and city of Columbus as well as we need to

518
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,120
get by and from the city of Columbus.

519
00:39:55,580 --> 00:40:00,120
So, you know, just kind of looking at kind of having the initial conversation on what needs

520
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,960
to be done there.

521
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:04,100
Bridget basically was looking at some of it more about housekeeping type thing, just limiting

522
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:07,760
the 5th. That's gained use reference a few times in the giant powers. Is there anything

523
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,820
else that we want to address at this time when we had the JPE open or going to the process?

524
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,320
So, at this point I would be happy to answer your questions or, you know, look for any feedback

525
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,380
on the current JPE.

526
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Do you have something else?

527
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Yeah, it's just being agreement with the dance as far as keeping the audit of the two-year

528
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:31,680
interval. I know that in the case of the parks with Fenway Parks and Floan, we got Australia

529
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,820
they're pretty quick. Nobody was doing anything city or on either side. So I'd like the idea

530
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:45,740
of keeping it at two years. And I don't, this cost for an outside firm to do the financials.

531
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,240
That would be, that cost would be born between Columbus and us.

532
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,660
But cable commission actually pays for the out of it. So they have a standing line.

533
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,880
So yeah, the transit fees that are contributed to the cable commission then get

534
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,900
I'd rather just outsource it and keep it out of two-year interval.

535
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,660
I don't have the fees quoted by Scandia in my back pocket, but it was minimal.

536
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:14,800
To go into a complete external firm would be a substantial jump.

537
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:23,240
To keep them with Scandia seemed like an obvious choice that it would be available and will continue to perform.

538
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:28,430
I'm going to address a few things here, first the audit.

539
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:35,930
It sounds like a great idea to do it every two years, but it's extremely expensive.

540
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:41,170
I think it's in the eight to ten to twelve thousand dollar range.

541
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:49,170
And for a commission that's revenue is 150,000.

542
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:52,590
I mean, it's ridiculous to spend ten percent to audit.

543
00:41:52,590 --> 00:42:00,610
I would suggest that maybe wording it different because an audit is a full-blown financial

544
00:42:00,610 --> 00:42:05,810
review by, you know, a license CPA auditing firm.

545
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:12,610
We could have an independent review of the book, something like that.

546
00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:19,230
We could word it differently where, you know, for $1,000 to $2,000 we could have a CPA look

547
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:24,170
any irregularities within that, rather than doing that full-born audit.

548
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:29,490
So that's where, you know, that word smithing is going to come in.

549
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:35,050
I was, I was just, let's say the challenge of moving away from an audit from other,

550
00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:38,830
every two years to something that's off-cycle as they have to do a comparative audit.

551
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:42,750
And so if you wanted to do it every five years, they think you have to re-order it anyway.

552
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:47,590
So the path that you are heading down is a better path of sort of agreed upon procedures,

553
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:52,930
or they could do a lesser report and a less expensive, less extensive.

554
00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:59,090
And then also, in this case, we have, I think that you'd want the wording of the joint

555
00:42:59,090 --> 00:43:04,890
powers to be worded that as long as the actual finance activities are on a contract basis

556
00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:10,990
outside of the cable commission staff itself. Then you've got some assurances, you have independence

557
00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:15,270
just by creating a contractual difference that helps with the control structure.

558
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:26,410
So, a couple more things, the peg fees, public education and government fees are a bigger

559
00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:30,690
portion of that budget than their actual operating fees.

560
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:39,890
So maybe we could look at separating out the peg fees, bringing that within the remaining

561
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:44,710
communities, for them to use rather than leaving it in the JPI.

562
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:55,330
I'm throwing out there as a potential, if we're worried about fraud or whatever, let's bring it back in here where it's getting in its own bucket in our accounting system.

563
00:43:55,770 --> 00:44:07,110
A potential, I'm okay either way and I'd like to see a lot of that revenue going to the schools to help develop some programs, but it's a talking point we should look at as we go ahead.

564
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:15,090
And the last two are kind of the same, you know, we can amend this agreement, but we may

565
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:23,470
possibly want to look at a couple of other things in it as we move in the future, what

566
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:24,990
about adding members?

567
00:44:25,630 --> 00:44:31,810
What are your scanty wants to come back in or Wyoming or, you know, as the area increases?

568
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:59,970
So maybe we have that wording in this JPA already and just one more thing along that line is instead of being the cable commission and being strong only with that cable component, maybe it's time to make this a media commission something to be able to deal with

569
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,000
The changes in the future, rather than just, we've got this one focus on this cable that is kind of slowly going away.

570
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:11,300
So those are my thoughts as we move forward.

571
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,340
We're going to spend money if we have to redo this.

572
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:22,560
Let's see if it's possible to do it, you know, make it better, but if it's going to get too expensive,

573
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:28,520
So, I think what the cable commission is doing, I mean, I have my full faith in confidence

574
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:40,700
and they're doing it right and doing it frugally so I'm okay either way, but if we

575
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:45,020
have the opportunity, let's look at trying to improve that.

576
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,180
Anything else?

577
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:55,690
I did have a, it's more of a point of clarification on wrapping up Scandia.

578
00:45:57,010 --> 00:46:04,310
Dan, I'm just, I'm just, we went, I went through the JPA, it talks about withdrawing

579
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:10,250
numbers and what assets would potentially go back to the withdrawing member and it seems

580
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:14,930
like it's pretty clear it's anything that's in their city hall or city council chambers

581
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:16,650
for broadcast of meetings.

582
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:43,910
But then we go through a really long discussion of fair market value of assets, and because it also talks about future sale and what that would, and I think we just need to crisp up in the next month or so, not necessarily at this body, but just a staff and then with the, ultimately it's our city council and Scandinavia and come to the city council and what that just makes everyone's crisp up with that looks like.

583
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:50,010
And I believe that you're referring to in terms of the future sales of the asset would be, if it was,

584
00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:55,370
let's say the cable commission owned a building that they were broadcasting out of.

585
00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:56,730
That was worth $20,000.

586
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:58,570
Let's get in a contribution too.

587
00:46:58,790 --> 00:47:03,150
When that building would be sold after which on, they would be a tight up to the portion of the asset for that.

588
00:47:03,210 --> 00:47:05,410
The cable commission is in a rental situation right now.

589
00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:10,610
So I think, when we looked at it before, I think that's where the original assumption was,

590
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:12,790
with all equipment, and then I think it was tied to real.

591
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:14,910
I think there was a clarifier that said it was real, especially.

592
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:18,550
So it was basically property values not necessarily camera equipment.

593
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:28,170
So really, the confirmation that needs to be made is we need to confirm that there's no property that would need to go underneath a valuation process as part of their exit.

594
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:35,330
Correct. Yeah, because I believe that the medical commission is not only property, they were in a rental situation before and they're currently rental situation.

595
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:41,470
So how much revenue with a cable commission will lose by them pulling out if any?

596
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:44,250
It's very minimal, doesn't it?

597
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:46,530
They've lost some 10% of subscribers. I believe.

598
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:49,490
Yeah, I want to say 10% I just gone, right?

599
00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:50,070
10%.

600
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:50,830
Yes, definitely.

601
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:54,970
It was in a ballpark. I want to say, I mean, this is a really rough number of time ahead.

602
00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:58,890
Some of them in a ballpark, maybe $15,000 a year to operate and give or take.

603
00:47:59,470 --> 00:48:02,610
And we actually, when we ran the budget for this year,

604
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:06,850
We actually anticipated them leaving in July of June, so we adjusted the budget numbers.

605
00:48:07,110 --> 00:48:12,010
We had to kind of did all the tough cuts this year, the next year we were already teed up on a very conservative budget.

606
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:18,470
So even if subscribers continue to decline, they're already kind of already to adjust for that decline in the subscribership and decline in revenue.

607
00:48:19,850 --> 00:48:26,110
So this game is what draw was already pretty much has already been kind of absorbed in their budget, but it wasn't, you know,

608
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:31,050
if you look at this subscriber base for us, like definitely contributes to the most to their budget annually.

609
00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:45,510
So, part of Scania's leaving the cable commission was not made content, but they have another provider front to you.

610
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:46,070
Front to you.

611
00:48:46,070 --> 00:48:46,250
Front to you.

612
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:54,770
Front to you isn't bound by any agreements within this cable commission.

613
00:48:55,610 --> 00:49:02,370
What happens if we have, you know, a Comcast or somebody else coming to tell them?

614
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:11,850
Are they obligated to go by the franchise fees and everything that we have and to pay this, or...

615
00:49:11,850 --> 00:49:12,090
Yeah.

616
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:15,190
I believe they would fall into the franchise fee because there's two of those of the franchise

617
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:18,610
of the ordinance that sets the fees that the subscribers pay.

618
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:23,770
And then there's the JPA that sets how those fees are managed, which establishes the cable commission.

619
00:49:23,770 --> 00:49:31,950
And so if a new subscriber comes in or new company comes in, I believe you'd have to take a look at that overarching franchise fee agreement to see if they can negotiate in and get a set of new.

620
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:36,550
I don't know that for sure, I'd actually be doing that document to see what the pathways are for that.

621
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:51,270
But the cable commission kind of operates as, instead of the city managing the funds, we basically defer that to the cable commission, they get the budget and I guess we'll be able to make sure, yeah, we're spending it appropriately and then they're charged actually executing that budget.

622
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:56,710
Well, that's where the accountability comes in, that's what I was willing to do and head was

623
00:49:56,710 --> 00:50:01,330
willing to do, whatever it takes for that accountability, that's what it wants to.

624
00:50:01,350 --> 00:50:06,350
If it's a full-blown auditor or something, we could just do annually with a CPA, you know.

625
00:50:07,090 --> 00:50:07,410
So.

626
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:11,750
I think also as part of the budget cycle, you'd mentioned Peg Fees, and I think as part of the

627
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:16,710
budget cycle this year, you'll see that others, especially now that the Columbus City Council

628
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:23,310
the funding of that equipment has been done, you'll start to see a kind of evolution or

629
00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:29,070
movement of those peg fees to be more in-school programming or equipment to support programming

630
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:33,470
related to schools and education. So you'll see that come through whether we keep those

631
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:36,950
peg fees with the cable commission or whether we were to take them to the internal cities.

632
00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:42,290
It might end up being just a wash. I think strategically you'll see that that's where the future

633
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:49,730
direction's going to go. We did need to get conversed fully equipment that you couldn't complete it though before you can make that move.

634
00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:55,170
And the pay fees to are also pretty much. Just only there's certain items that they can be spent on.

635
00:50:55,310 --> 00:50:56,970
And they're pretty restricted in terms of what they can be spent.

636
00:50:57,110 --> 00:51:00,250
They can't be used to cover operating expenses of the cable commission.

637
00:51:00,250 --> 00:51:01,850
They can't be used to pay wages and benefits.

638
00:51:02,070 --> 00:51:05,090
It's basically equipment and anything that's on for production.

639
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:11,150
And in the last French's fee agreement, the cable prison at the time, it's established that

640
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:13,490
the priority was French's fee increases.

641
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:17,210
So if you look at the cable commission, it's pretty rich in French's fee increases at

642
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:22,350
the expense of, or she's a paid fee increases versus French's fee, so I mean, it's almost

643
00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:27,210
like, there's more revenue that I can be generated as French's fees, she's a paid

644
00:51:27,610 --> 00:51:29,650
fees versus French's fees moving forward.

645
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:33,810
So they're going to be able to get a lot of equipment which we will use in for school

646
00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:39,710
investments and, you know, upgrading at some point in the equipment that's in here, will need to be replaced as it ages out.

647
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:43,370
So there will be fund balance bill for that as well, and standing in Columbus.

648
00:51:44,850 --> 00:51:53,810
So with the pink fees that accumulates in its own fund, is there a time table that they have to be utilized with it?

649
00:51:54,070 --> 00:52:00,550
The longings are being spent. They're trying to, so that what has happened in the budget, the cable commission would before.

650
00:52:01,010 --> 00:52:02,690
a lot of that stuff kind of co-mingled.

651
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:05,150
You know, they've got their total budget at the bottom of the line item.

652
00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:07,850
A couple of years ago when I worked with the Kayla Christian in their budget,

653
00:52:08,130 --> 00:52:10,030
we separated those out and segmented it out and said,

654
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:12,490
here's your pay revenue fund and here's your operating fund,

655
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:13,250
keeping separate.

656
00:52:13,870 --> 00:52:16,050
So they now separated it out and then last year,

657
00:52:16,210 --> 00:52:17,710
we actually set them up on a CIP,

658
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:21,270
kind of a loose CIP plan place and what they were doing in the past,

659
00:52:21,370 --> 00:52:24,810
they were actually taking these pay revenues and action-making investments.

660
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:26,950
So they weren't just going out and buying the next shiny computer

661
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:29,970
or the next camera, they were actually on a projection

662
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:32,470
so if they wanted to go full HD in five years,

663
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:33,650
they were making the investment

664
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:35,090
that would be so they had the capital available

665
00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:36,070
to make that investment.

666
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:38,830
But they are at this point accumulating in a fund.

667
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:41,330
The cable commission, I believe at some point

668
00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:42,810
in the official kind of established policy

669
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:45,730
for what they wanted to maintain for minimum fund balance in there

670
00:52:45,730 --> 00:52:47,350
because it's pretty easy to even

671
00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:50,430
of you could have $100,000 in out of fund,

672
00:52:50,810 --> 00:52:52,930
just offending one council chamber can cost up

673
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:55,050
worth $80,000 so you can go pretty quick

674
00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:59,790
who want to make sure that you have enough there to cover the categories to get replaced

675
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:04,850
or if there's new technology that comes out that will assist with broadcasting that there's

676
00:53:04,850 --> 00:53:07,530
enough fun balancer to make that investment at the time.

677
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:11,520
It's good.

678
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,200
May you have a lot of questions?

679
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:16,800
All right.

680
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,860
Let's move on.

681
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,900
Dan, you want to take us through the 19 budget process?

682
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:22,460
Yeah.

683
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,460
I remember the council is getting to be that time of year again.

684
00:53:25,580 --> 00:53:30,340
We're going to start dusting off the budget spreadsheets and get a looking at the

685
00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:35,100
2019 budget process, basically this is on the agenda for the

686
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,520
night, just to kind of give you everybody an overview of what

687
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,240
the process will look like, kind of get some dates out there.

688
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:45,320
And then we're looking at this point in time too, just to get any

689
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,800
feedback, Council may have or what are some of the priorities that

690
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,760
you guys want to see included in the 2019 budget as any

691
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,080
specific initiatives or anything else you want to start pricing.

692
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,620
You can also get those figured out in advance of kind of getting

693
00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:03,060
down to the actual point where I can have more final level

694
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:05,160
detail of discussions on it at a feature meeting.

695
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:08,800
Looking at the process for 19, it's going to be pretty similar

696
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,080
to the process that I've done in the past year, where tonight,

697
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,340
we're just basically grabbing trying to get feedback

698
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:16,140
in one of the drivers for the 19 budget.

699
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:21,740
I'll take those back, work with finance staff and department

700
00:54:21,740 --> 00:54:25,060
as a kind of, start putting out some rough numbers to that.

701
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,440
And then we'll kind of bring back just kind

702
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,100
update back at the June workshop, get it back on the Rails Korean June, so you'll hear a little

703
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:36,120
bit more kind of where we are to date with that. We're still just from a staff and from

704
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,760
operational perspective, still pretty early out in the process we're just starting to get this

705
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:46,400
spreadsheets release, so we haven't really got a lot of feedback yet in terms of what 18 or

706
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,220
excuse me, what's 18's looking like, we're still kind of looking at where we are, our current budget,

707
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,340
looking at future projections. We're early out in the process, so we don't have a lot of hard and fast

708
00:54:54,340 --> 00:54:56,780
with this point more kind of just kind of moving targets.

709
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Once we bring it back from the June Workshop, we'll kind of go back then and really

710
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,440
start to put down and drill down those numbers, try to get some actual numbers that

711
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,600
will get brought forward.

712
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,680
At this point, looking up a third week in July for a finance committee review, the same

713
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,880
process for the last year of finance committee review is it, takes a look at what's kind of

714
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,100
flush out to the top, what are the main drivers if there's going to be any increases and budget

715
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,320
numbers that are in the specific portion of the budget, why are those increases there?

716
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,760
and you decrease the wire there, again, gets feedback from the Finance Committee, or kind

717
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,780
of female care at the budget to make sense of transfer changes, and then we'll go back

718
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:36,420
into the August City Council budget workshops.

719
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:43,460
Again, we have four of those scheduled for August 8th, 15th, 20th, 20th, 29th.

720
00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:47,760
Again, those are kind of where all the, you know, most of the hammering out of the budget

721
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,480
will occur.

722
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:52,880
The first ones usually on general fund and I believe the second two are on the Enterprise Fund,

723
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,980
through a water fund, we'll be discussing that.

724
00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:58,880
Second two, historically we've never really used all four, but we keep

725
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,140
mine the count on this in case we do need to use all four.

726
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,980
I think in the past, here's one we've had three, one we had two

727
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:04,980
meetings.

728
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,160
When we get through the August workshop, we'll go back then, and it's

729
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,420
the 10th meeting that we'll bring forward, the proposed budget, we'll

730
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:14,880
set the intermediaries, lobby numbers, at that point.

731
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:19,800
Again, that'll set the highest, the highest point that we can

732
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:25,860
do staff from September, through December, and then at the December 3rd, well, the public

733
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:28,780
hearings and adopt the 2019 budget.

734
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,820
So I guess at this point we're just looking for again, like I said before, any specific priorities

735
00:56:34,820 --> 00:56:40,040
issues or services you want, staff to evaluate between now and, you know, as we get into

736
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,040
the budget process.

737
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:44,880
It's a good point for us to do it now, we're able to take those back and start doing some

738
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,700
costing and start to take a look at where would this fit within the budget, you know,

739
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,420
At this point, it's kind of looking for any

740
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:53,800
how the little feedback or what are the priorities for

741
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,160
19.

742
00:56:58,330 --> 00:56:58,770
Okay, good.

743
00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:03,770
I guess I would like to see the budget held as close to

744
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:07,030
the zero increases possible.

745
00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:16,820
We added in some money for assisting

746
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:24,640
changing from black top to earth from dirt asphalt for roads, and I believe we were going

747
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:32,260
to try to continue to fund that every year till we hit a specific level and maintain that.

748
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,120
So that will affect our overall budget.

749
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:39,580
I think the city,

750
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,480
micro managers, too much in our accounting process.

751
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:51,400
I don't think we need to have a separate fund for shovels and a separate fund for

752
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:57,900
brooms and you know I think we have directors of these departments that do a really

753
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:58,880
good job.

754
00:57:59,220 --> 00:58:01,860
I got a lot of faith that they're spending the money properly.

755
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:08,320
So I would like to see a little more simplified accounting systems sometimes for them.

756
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:16,440
That may not happen this year but I'd like that to be our goal is you know to acknowledge

757
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:24,800
Joe, our department heads, you have their budgets and can maintain that without trying to

758
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,560
shove that money around from one bucket to the other all year long.

759
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:34,560
And to go along with that, if they don't spend that money, I know because of laws, everything

760
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:46,220
else we can't leave it in there, but some type of placeholder or something else that we can

761
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:51,620
to spend that money, there's no reason to spend it by the end of the year, but that additional

762
00:58:51,620 --> 00:58:58,720
money is a placeholder for the next year's budget or one-time purchase is things like

763
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:06,540
that, and they don't know how that can get worked in, but there's got to be some type of way

764
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:13,200
to acknowledge that when somebody is running that department efficiently and they didn't spend

765
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:19,260
everything in their budget that doesn't just disappear and we cut their budget the next year

766
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:22,020
and never give that back to them again.

767
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:35,460
I think the only other thing because I heard it's a lot of them in the consumer career

768
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:36,400
was here.

769
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:41,860
They're trying to budget for depreciation, for wear and tear, whether it's on this building

770
00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:50,760
or any of the assets we have, but we don't have any money is building up for the eventual

771
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:56,460
need to put roofs and redo asphalt and different things like that.

772
00:59:56,460 --> 00:59:58,600
And we should really...

773
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,240
Start looking at that. Everything's getting over. I'm just going to be needing to fix those sooner later.

774
01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:14,470
Just not to carry out. What's the dollar amount department from Japan without having the council approval?

775
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:34,430
I'd have to take a look. I believe if it's budgeted. It's a line item as budgeted. I want to say, it's up to, I think it's, I think, a crew policy is 50,000. But that's assuming it's budgeted. Or if it's, you know, so let's say you're looking at replacement truck in the truck budget is 50,000.

776
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:36,390
and the estimate comes in at 45.

777
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:39,270
I believe current fiscal policy would say

778
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:41,250
that the department had to just authorize the purchase

779
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:44,910
and this is already a pre that's assuming it's pre-approved,

780
01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:47,010
pre-approved budgetary expense.

781
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:49,630
I have to go back to the policy to confirm the number,

782
01:00:49,850 --> 01:00:51,530
but that's sticking out in the my head

783
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:53,130
is what the number the threshold is,

784
01:00:53,550 --> 01:00:54,870
but I can confirm that for you.

785
01:00:55,110 --> 01:00:56,550
What, non-budget items?

786
01:00:58,350 --> 01:00:59,710
In terms of, like,

787
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,740
there's a lot of different examples.

788
01:01:06,740 --> 01:01:13,520
One you could use is say, you have an item next to your equipped budget, small item, the one

789
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,860
you have breaks down, instead of, you know, it's something you could buy, instead of putting

790
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:21,060
money into repair, something that should have been replaced or will be next year, can they

791
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:21,680
just go ahead?

792
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:28,260
It was within the current budget, so an example would be like, you know, in the IT budget, for

793
01:01:28,260 --> 01:01:33,280
example, we got a request for, we'd replace all the Wi-Fi access points in the building.

794
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,940
That's full cost, we're right around approximately 7,000.

795
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,760
And the end of life, you know, they were no longer

796
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,420
supported, so we had to keep all those access points

797
01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:41,400
going, so we looked at the budget.

798
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:43,320
They said, well, you can do this in 18.

799
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:46,620
However, they got a really good price on them in 17th.

800
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,500
They found a, you know, like, third of the price or whatever.

801
01:01:50,260 --> 01:01:52,040
So I authorized the purchase in 17th.

802
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,060
We was pre-boggeted, that didn't go over the budgetary

803
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:56,100
amount, you know, at that point, it was basically that.

804
01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:57,180
But it came out of the expense.

805
01:01:57,380 --> 01:02:00,180
I made a decision, get the wireless access points

806
01:02:00,180 --> 01:02:02,060
installed, because they got a better price than them then.

807
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:04,320
And when I looked at the whole budget as a whole,

808
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:06,200
we were good on every other capital replacement

809
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,380
that was anticipated at the time.

810
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,240
It was October, we had plenty of funds balance.

811
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,980
So for that type of stuff, the department

812
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,660
has to do some discretion to figure out.

813
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,880
As long as you're not going over,

814
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800
like what I'm able to do, access points at 7,000,

815
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:19,640
if my budget was already spent at say 18,000

816
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,520
of that 2019 budget, because I've been over budget.

817
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:24,480
So there's a little bit of discretion in there

818
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,240
for them to make those decisions

819
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,500
if it's a repair or replacement.

820
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:31,380
I guess a good example would be a pickup truck

821
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:36,620
That's budget in the CIP and my rule of thumb is usually 25,000.

822
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,940
So what's under 25,000, I don't bring it to council.

823
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:44,540
If it was budgeted for last year, her dehumidifier at the water plant broke down.

824
01:02:44,540 --> 01:02:50,760
I could have paid $5,000 to fix it, or we bought high drives for 25,000 to do both plants.

825
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,500
I came to council to get approval for that, because it wasn't budgeted for, I could still

826
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:59,340
probably fit it within my budget, but then I come to get approval just some direction.

827
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,500
But anything that I have budgeted in, under my rule, I've found this under 25 grand that

828
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:09,180
I don't, I don't bring it to Council because it's been fairly approved.

829
01:03:11,180 --> 01:03:11,320
Okay.

830
01:03:14,090 --> 01:03:15,130
No, they solved.

831
01:03:15,830 --> 01:03:19,350
I mean, we have like a yearly budget for that, right?

832
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:25,010
But I mean, if we get a bad winner and you go over that and you have to buy it anyway.

833
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:33,490
But is that something where, you know, like, we can have that fund and the unused

834
01:03:33,490 --> 01:03:39,510
portion build in that fund? Or is that just part of the budget and it comes and goes

835
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:45,230
over here? That when you can't, that's just budget at a moment. We've been taximables

836
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:54,030
like that, you know, you go through our, you know, unless you set up a salt fund, which creates

837
01:03:54,030 --> 01:04:02,190
a lot more paper, which, yeah, and another good example to that point is our, you know,

838
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:06,950
our seal coating fund and our black top action and our gravel roll, it's not really

839
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:12,050
don't come from the taxpayers, it doesn't come from the general level, it comes from the

840
01:04:12,050 --> 01:04:20,110
state of Minnesota, they give us state $88 300 and almost $400,000 a year. So, in talking

841
01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:25,410
finance, we're actually going to create a pavement management fund where this that money goes into,

842
01:04:25,590 --> 01:04:30,830
so then we don't have to feel the need to spend it every year. And when Rick Ryan does a good job

843
01:04:30,830 --> 01:04:38,170
getting bids and comes in 50,000 under that 50 grand can be used next year or now we have 50

844
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:44,550
grand do some concrete sidewalks. We're working with finance that kind of money is going to go on

845
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:50,170
own little pot, so at the end of the year, if we don't use that, we can go it up or if we have

846
01:04:50,170 --> 01:04:53,570
a known overlay and we need to get an extra block but we can take some money out of there

847
01:04:53,570 --> 01:04:54,310
and get that extra.

848
01:04:54,650 --> 01:05:01,530
If we have 100,000 saved up on there to get an extra up block, so I think for some of it it works

849
01:05:01,530 --> 01:05:05,390
well for some that's, I mean you're going to create just a nightmare and you could set up

850
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:09,050
a fund for every single line item and you know, a nightmare.

851
01:05:09,050 --> 01:05:12,470
I think fuel is a good example of that.

852
01:05:12,690 --> 01:05:15,450
The prices are doing this and they're right now they're doing this.

853
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:22,370
So we have to have that figured in there and so it's an unfundable.

854
01:05:22,990 --> 01:05:24,230
How do you have that on the line?

855
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:30,790
Yeah, one of the things that we've talked about simplifying some of the mine items and micromanaging,

856
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:35,230
but just breezing through some of the things and maybe I read it wrong.

857
01:05:35,230 --> 01:05:46,090
But Dave, do we have certain equipment like mowers and stuff that divided up between parks and public works or is it all public works?

858
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:53,510
Mostly it's, I thought I saw something in there for like, purchase of mower.

859
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:59,010
Yep, so the way the CIP is set up, it's there's parks, streets,

860
01:05:59,510 --> 01:06:03,770
sewer and water and stormwater, I'll fight in the airport as well,

861
01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:06,630
they're all kind of, but it's all under public works, right?

862
01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:11,930
Yep, except for the sewer and water doesn't come out of the general fund, that comes out of enterprise.

863
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:16,550
So that, that equivalent of CIP is asked for through rate increases.

864
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,900
Now, that token, are you familiar with where they should be for the enterprise fund?

865
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:30,860
You know, we'll be having a discussion about what that will be definitely a home meeting.

866
01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:39,920
We're actually meeting how we did a water survey in 2014 and kind of laid out what the cities should be doing.

867
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:46,320
And then the recommended ready increases and what was recommended as a Madonna and the increases.

868
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,200
So I'm going to send all kind of reevaluate here.

869
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,840
And yeah, that'll be a night to discuss just

870
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,780
an enterprise once more we're sitting and more we're at.

871
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,080
Didn't met Council come through the, was it a 10 or 15% rating

872
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,260
increased or slower?

873
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,120
It had to, by the way, it sounds.

874
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:11,060
I know we had to raise it a great challenge just to have

875
01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:11,800
it met Council.

876
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,680
Yeah, it's five percent just in CIP and then another five percent just arbitrary.

877
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:22,900
Our sewer fund is actually doing surprisingly well and we gave it a good bump last year

878
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:24,920
with the bonding for the Weftation Project.

879
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,840
But out of the two that's probably the healthiest of the two.

880
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:34,020
But the water fund where just an operations were running out of deficit.

881
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,020
Water funds won't dry.

882
01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:38,840
Get plugged the week.

883
01:07:41,810 --> 01:07:43,610
Any other questions on the budget process?

884
01:07:43,610 --> 01:07:52,650
test of a budget process, I think there's a lot of what I see of need is going to be around

885
01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:58,370
timing on a lot of the CIP items and so just looking through the CIP schedule there's a lot

886
01:07:59,010 --> 01:08:04,930
of competing projects and what I think we're going to have to just kind of look at each one

887
01:08:04,930 --> 01:08:10,790
of those individually and to me it's always helpful to line up what the expenses along with

888
01:08:10,790 --> 01:08:11,810
What are the funding source?

889
01:08:11,850 --> 01:08:16,190
Because some of those have grant funds applied, some of them have their own separate revenue

890
01:08:16,190 --> 01:08:16,850
sources.

891
01:08:17,710 --> 01:08:22,770
And I think we're just going to have to kind of look at those in total and evaluate what

892
01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:25,810
is the appetite for 2019.

893
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:30,590
And what does that look like going forward and help us make some decisions on where we need

894
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:32,830
to place bets first?

895
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:40,550
I'd say there's just some big numbers coming up and it's going to require us to make some

896
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:41,750
or disation decisions.

897
01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:52,180
Maybe in preparation, somebody request for staff would be to ask you what can you do to prepare

898
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:56,440
I guess make sure that list is as complete as possible, even things like, you know, we talked

899
01:08:56,440 --> 01:09:02,560
about the conversation came up with the squad, the computers and the squad cars and those

900
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,240
hadn't previously been on there and so if we could just make sure we have as complete of a list

901
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:12,140
possible, then we can kind of wind things up and start making some prioritizations.

902
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,040
And that's one of the kind of dumps you all are right on the next with a CFP update.

903
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,620
You know, we haven't actually, you know, again, those works sheets were just sent out.

904
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:24,620
You know, so it's on there. So it's basically again, we've been back kind of the 1923 plan.

905
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:27,640
You know, so you guys will kind of have the 1822 plan as a reference.

906
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:32,140
You kind of know, well, the 1822 plan looked like it was more, you know, as a refresher course

907
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:40,200
But we will go through all those 19 to 23 items and kind of show exactly that cost what year it's going to stay

908
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,520
Again, what are the funding sources for that?

909
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:48,700
One thing that we'll probably see on the 19 to 23 that was not on the 18 to 22 is

910
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,440
I've finally got from at the end of last year a list from Metro

911
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,140
I knit a kind of what the technology infrastructure

912
01:09:56,900 --> 01:10:01,280
It's costing would be for this building when this building was built everything was brand new

913
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:06,120
Which is great gives us about five to seven years with the activity we've been in for four years now

914
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,120
So we got start planning for if we need to look at a server upgrade

915
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,040
I mean, I think wiring is some of that stuff is going to last about an issue

916
01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:13,220
However

917
01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:19,600
We're sorry to look at you know, there's some switches networks which is that I mean you get replays there may be some you know

918
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,820
IT interface up backwards build that we got to replace so just getting that stuff in the pipelines

919
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:26,200
We're not all of a sudden hit with you know

920
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,120
And IT budget that's 20,000, which includes, you know, expenses, a computer-based amount of

921
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,440
your placement.

922
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,240
And you're through, like, three networks, which is out in there, and you're probably

923
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,220
at, you know, again, ballpark, probably 25,000, just for networks, which is because they're

924
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:40,540
not inexpensive to get those replaced.

925
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,180
Now, that being said, it rolls with us a very good job of making sure, and they try to

926
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:47,000
be as cost, you know, is conscious of cost as possible.

927
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,720
However, we're going to start to see that demand at T coming forward.

928
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,500
So I'm going to start looking at, getting kind of an IT, a rough IT list, to get incorporated

929
01:10:55,500 --> 01:11:00,460
to disarmate compliance for if you do not work so that you're a server or a server.

930
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,680
So, the capital improvement,

931
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,120
a couple of basic questions, but like the new greater we

932
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:23,180
bought is on a lease, right? Or did we buy it all right with a buyback? Yeah,

933
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,020
we

934
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:41,860
track that down the line to make sure that, you know, we get that, we're looking up, I mean,

935
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:42,220
is there?

936
01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:43,040
All up here, Ben.

937
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,040
All up here, Ben.

938
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,840
No, it's a placeholder in the CIP.

939
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:55,360
I mean, I have a strong ult, so it's in that year, it's dilated up there, and then

940
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:14,480
Prior to your prior, it'll get brought up in the CIP, like, say if it's, so it's 18, so it'll be 25, so in 23, it'll be brought up that, just the reminder that 25, that's that seven year by back of that grader, just that's a pretty solid number that's going to have to happen to get that guaranteed money back.

941
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,800
Yeah, so it seems like the best value by far to be able to do that anyways.

942
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:27,640
Yeah, because if you skip a year then they'll say, well, it's not only worth 50 grand to us, so I'm tough luck, so I mean, you almost have to hit it on those times to get that.

943
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,240
You're probably at your initial year, do you know what I'm seven years and come back on your journey, right?

944
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:32,360
What was it?

945
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,720
You'll probably be at your initial year, new one at seven years and come back on your door.

946
01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:37,440
Yeah, exactly.

947
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:38,220
That's true.

948
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:39,500
And it gives you leverage, too.

949
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:45,600
I mean, if you know you can get say 150,000 back from Ziggler, you can put it on the open market, too.

950
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,480
and then you can get a contract or that might say,

951
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,300
okay, well, I'll give you a 165th hour support.

952
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,060
And it gives you that leverage.

953
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:55,380
You know what you're guaranteed and you can't go below that,

954
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:58,020
so it's worth shopping and as well.

955
01:13:01,130 --> 01:13:05,550
And we're at pages you go for almost everything now,

956
01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:08,450
but like the fire truck will be bonded for a correct order.

957
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:11,810
So that's included in the CIP, you know,

958
01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:13,810
so that's still, we have cash available.

959
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:15,090
Yeah, that'll be a cash purchase.

960
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:16,590
That will not be bonded for at this point.

961
01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:21,550
And then that speaks to me at the access fund balance from 17.

962
01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:25,990
And we allocate that all, that's was allocated in there with the intention of,

963
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:29,970
we knew there was a farer trick for us coming in at power and 50,000 in that.

964
01:13:30,150 --> 01:13:33,170
A moment that was put into the cattle improvement fund was enough,

965
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:34,190
basically pay for that.

966
01:13:34,210 --> 01:13:35,690
So we don't need a bond for these life purchases.

967
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:40,370
And the way this is set up, if we maintain that, putting money into that account over

968
01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:44,010
a year and kind of taking a look at putting it in this much as we have,

969
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:50,830
You know, we can kind of allocate out these larger purchases on having to bond from, so we're on track at this point for pay as you go.

970
01:13:51,210 --> 01:13:51,210
Okay.

971
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,160
Any other questions?

972
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:08,610
There's definitely some expenses there.

973
01:14:08,830 --> 01:14:13,750
So we need to read you there before the budget comes along, but I think it's a good start.

974
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:15,470
Or right now.

975
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:17,530
And it all goes the same too.

976
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:18,330
Or go ahead.

977
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:21,990
I'll try to bring back kind of, I mean, we kind of melded the last, you know,

978
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:23,990
the budget process with the CFP kind of the guy.

979
01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,350
But I'll bring back kind of where we are, kind of an update

980
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:28,590
at the next workshop, just to kind of say,

981
01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:29,830
here's what's kind of looking at right now.

982
01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:31,810
I did talk to Hannah, this afternoon,

983
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:34,210
just kind of said, you know, and she said,

984
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:36,010
it's a little early in the process to really start

985
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:36,950
to put numbers out there.

986
01:14:37,090 --> 01:14:39,470
She wants to kind of see, she's still trying to

987
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:41,070
just some year-end stuff for 17,

988
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:42,830
and she should once she clears that,

989
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:44,610
she'll know kind of exactly where we are

990
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:45,370
and where we can go.

991
01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:46,990
So I'll start bringing, hopefully,

992
01:14:46,990 --> 01:14:50,010
back some preliminary numbers at the June assert saying,

993
01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:53,710
Here's kind of what we're looking at, but we're still a little early in the process.

994
01:14:55,940 --> 01:14:56,360
Thanks, Dan.

995
01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:59,980
Excuse me.

996
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:28,040
Okay, it's that time again where we're doing our annual maintenance of all of our fire trucks, and last week during maintenance, EAM, who's the company that we use to do the maintenance, discovered a 24-inch crack in the frame on our engine to the one that's coming up for CFP replacement next year.

997
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:35,480
Uh, because of the crack, uh, we took it out of service and EAM brought it to storm

998
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:41,560
welding and manufacturing and clone, uh, one to determine if it would be, uh, fixable.

999
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:48,060
And number two to determine what a cost two fix, if it would be, uh, good news that I

1000
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:55,520
did get an email, uh, today from storm welding and they have two options for repair, uh, one

1001
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:05,260
option is to take off the driver's side wheels, grind a B, cut into the frame, and weld it.

1002
01:16:06,180 --> 01:16:08,620
That fix is $976.

1003
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:16,300
The owner of the company feels that we're probably going to get a year and a half to two years

1004
01:16:16,300 --> 01:16:18,100
out of that fix.

1005
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:27,380
He feels that the weld itself will stay intact, but we'll start to crack the frame on both sides of that weld.

1006
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:42,300
Both trucks were built in 1997, and they've got rust jacking issues in the frame, because it's a tubular frame surrounded by a C frame.

1007
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:48,240
And so that salt and debris gets in there and it starts to rust and expands the frame

1008
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:53,700
or they break apart and end up with horizontal cracks along the frame.

1009
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:56,960
I think the end is going to show a picture here.

1010
01:17:00,370 --> 01:17:08,110
The second fix, if we want a more permanent tape of fix, is where they take off the entire box of the engine,

1011
01:17:08,110 --> 01:17:16,070
take out the pump and actually put a clamp or a, well, the clamp over where the frames

1012
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:24,290
cracked and that's about 20,000 to fix. But since this is coming up for CIP here in the next

1013
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:30,570
year, we're going to move forward with the $1,000 fix. It seems that it's a better.

1014
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:41,670
I can beat him as he didn't speak in the middle.

1015
01:17:41,670 --> 01:17:42,530
That was what he was going to do.

1016
01:17:42,910 --> 01:17:43,990
No, I was a member.

1017
01:17:44,670 --> 01:17:46,190
That was the white deco.

1018
01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:47,050
That was the white deco.

1019
01:17:47,210 --> 01:17:47,490
That was the white deco.

1020
01:17:47,950 --> 01:17:49,550
That was the white deco.

1021
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:54,720
So there's some pictures of the actual cracked frame.

1022
01:17:55,740 --> 01:17:57,500
It looks a little bit bigger than it actually is,

1023
01:17:57,540 --> 01:18:00,100
but it is 24 around 24 inches.

1024
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:07,500
And that's where that salt gets in between the two frame rails

1025
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:12,040
and starts to expand out,

1026
01:18:15,620 --> 01:18:18,400
you said that another truck's got the same chassis?

1027
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:25,920
Well, back in 1997 we purchased two identical trucks were called the twins.

1028
01:18:26,940 --> 01:18:35,740
They're both engine tenders, carry 2500 gallons, as you're aware only a small portion of clumbus

1029
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:39,160
and a small portion of forest lake have hydrants.

1030
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:45,780
And so, whenever we have a fire outside the hydrated area, we haul water to the scene.

1031
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:53,520
And so, that's what those two trucks primary function is to haul water, but they're also back up engines.

1032
01:18:55,320 --> 01:19:04,620
So, they were purchased in 1996 when Rosemar was kind of going through growing pains and they pretty much have been lemons from the day that we received them.

1033
01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:16,100
So, when this two trucks came up for CIP, we spread them out two years so we wouldn't run into that issue again.

1034
01:19:16,220 --> 01:19:23,140
I mean, Rosemar has been a great company to work with, but during the time they were going through growing pains,

1035
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:28,560
being bought out and expanding, and so we just didn't have luck with those two vehicles.

1036
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,800
Is the electric still here?

1037
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,400
Yeah, we have both of them.

1038
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,120
One's in Columbus, one's in Forsyk.

1039
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:36,740
It's frame still happy, here we have in this too.

1040
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,720
At this point, we haven't noticed any signs of rust jacking.

1041
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,540
If you can you back up to that middle picture that showed

1042
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:46,960
right there.

1043
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:49,760
That's what the inside of the frame looks like,

1044
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,420
but we don't have any that discoloration or metal fatigue

1045
01:19:54,420 --> 01:19:57,040
that you see in the other picture.

1046
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:58,800
They haven't seen that yet.

1047
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:05,940
Yeah, when they did annual service, they had noticed the rust jacking last year, but it hadn't cracked at that time.

1048
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:15,120
It should, all along as you look, truck to me, hold on to this one is getting a place this year, the next one is two years old.

1049
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,220
The next one is 19, so it's next year, and then it's two years after that.

1050
01:20:19,220 --> 01:20:22,980
So 2021 would be the replacement on the second vehicle.

1051
01:20:23,780 --> 01:20:31,820
One of the things that I talked with Dan, when we get this truck repaired and we're able to purchase another one of my recommendation would be to keep this truck.

1052
01:20:31,820 --> 01:20:38,680
kind of as a spare parts truck, in case we lose a transmission, lose an engine, we're able

1053
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,820
to take it from this truck and put it in the other truck.

1054
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:49,100
We're down so we go to use the truck kind of as a training truck until we replace that

1055
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:50,260
second one.

1056
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:54,860
I thought on that, should we do something preventative on the second one, should we get the

1057
01:20:54,860 --> 01:21:01,040
frame blasted and sealed, so we don't end up having this again, something you see should

1058
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:11,700
done. Yeah, I don't know what the cost versus reward for that is because one you don't

1059
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:15,520
know if it is going to crack. You just assume that you're potentially going to have that

1060
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:21,620
issue because you had it in the first one. But $1,000 to repair should it crack.

1061
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,160
It might

1062
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:36,460
store or store and welding they do a lot of welding on salt trucks as you'd expect that's what they're

1063
01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:44,420
hauling and it gets up in the frame and he says this is actually fairly common and fairly easy to

1064
01:21:44,420 --> 01:21:58,210
fix but you have to address it it's not DOT road worthy until you do they're a heavy medium

1065
01:21:58,210 --> 01:22:03,450
process because this is so new and I've never experienced how I've

1066
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:11,120
worked with this in the past. Okay, two types of repair. We'll have an impact on

1067
01:22:11,950 --> 01:22:16,730
whatever value this truck may have when you do get rid of it. Well, both trucks are

1068
01:22:16,730 --> 01:22:28,190
going to be first of all, being that you're 22 years old for one and then you're

1069
01:22:28,190 --> 01:22:36,410
for the fire service, both tanks and both trucks are cracked. One's cracked further than the

1070
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:42,490
other tank and we discussed that the joint fireboard and decided that it just wasn't worth fixing

1071
01:22:42,490 --> 01:22:51,790
the tanks. And then on this engine too we're going to have to disclose that the frame was cracked and repaired.

1072
01:22:51,790 --> 01:23:00,050
So you're probably looking at scrap value on one, and if it didn't have a crack tank, and it didn't

1073
01:23:00,050 --> 01:23:07,930
have a crack frame, you're looking at 10,000, maybe 15,000, for a premium to sell it.

1074
01:23:08,590 --> 01:23:14,850
So scrap value at the one of the crack tank in the frame, and maybe 10,000 for the other one,

1075
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:18,050
is all you're going to get for trucks out of this age.

1076
01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:24,490
You didn't even get that form, I mean there's not much of a delay for that.

1077
01:23:25,810 --> 01:23:28,930
You know, NFPA only allows you to have those trucks.

1078
01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:35,890
No, it's not a hard and fast go to jail type rule, but they're saying 20 years on an engine.

1079
01:23:36,650 --> 01:23:42,910
So we've exceeded that and there's a lot of smaller departments up north that just don't have the funds to replace engines.

1080
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:49,010
There are probably farther ahead than we are further behind.

1081
01:23:49,670 --> 01:23:59,410
But then you start getting into reliability issues and repair expats, so there's a point where it doesn't make sense to keep second money into these vehicles.

1082
01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:03,430
This vehicle is down at the repair center now.

1083
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:06,770
It's down at Cologne and storm-wilding and manufacturing.

1084
01:24:07,250 --> 01:24:08,770
Well, I'll quickly get it back to us.

1085
01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:14,310
I give the OK to move forward with that repair today and we should have it back by Wednesday.

1086
01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:15,730
There is yet the latest.

1087
01:24:16,350 --> 01:24:21,210
I think that's, you know, part of the importance of having it here, because if you

1088
01:24:21,210 --> 01:24:25,770
want dollars to get, you know, cell trucks don't think of the fire truck, I'd love it.

1089
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:27,550
That's what I believe they're on at that anyway.

1090
01:24:27,670 --> 01:24:32,830
Yeah, I would be devastating at that truck, couldn't be repaired, because it is one of, it's

1091
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:39,230
33% of our engine pours, you know, I would change a lot of tactics around and then all

1092
01:24:39,230 --> 01:24:43,810
the fire prevention, things that we use these engines for, we just wouldn't be able to pull it out

1093
01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:54,140
service to do that. So I think what you recommended is really good idea, but I guess one thing

1094
01:24:54,140 --> 01:25:01,240
is, are we going to have somebody designated to watch both of these vehicles in case you do

1095
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:08,440
develop cracks? I mean, is there a way every time they use that, you know, they can be checked easily,

1096
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:13,980
I guess, I'd rather, you know, we're going to add that to our annual monthly maintenance.

1097
01:25:14,220 --> 01:25:18,340
So the engineers come in each month and they go through their trucks and they go through

1098
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:25,480
check batteries, fluids, all your tools, the electrical equipment down there, they do system

1099
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:30,880
trucks and then we'll add a full check for the frame to make sure that we're not.

1100
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:37,300
at least at the stress point where it's at because you know there's could have been there for almost a year

1101
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:39,680
or without a deep on it in a way.

1102
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:42,560
All right.

1103
01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:49,990
I think just one point of clarification on that is, you know, part of this conversation, I think we've

1104
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:53,770
got lucky and we're able to get, you know, this trucker paid at a reasonable, you know,

1105
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:53,910
right.

1106
01:25:53,970 --> 01:25:57,550
Because the wind sufficiently was kind of brought forward, you know, the repair estimate

1107
01:25:57,550 --> 01:26:01,330
range between $20 and $50, because you just didn't know if they could even repair the

1108
01:26:01,330 --> 01:26:05,750
you know, was the first issue and if it did, get thicker if you knock the truck to do it

1109
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:10,250
basically with all of it. So, you know, I think I extremely lucky that the repair is going

1110
01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:14,390
to be around $1,000, you know, to do it. But I think that kind of dump shells in the larger

1111
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:20,250
conversation in terms of, we have an engine that's in the CIP for 19, you know, for discussion

1112
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:25,070
though, it's part of, and to keep you making kind of, you know, cutting from the library,

1113
01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:29,850
it's something like when you authorize your purchase of a truck or you order one to go as

1114
01:26:29,850 --> 01:26:32,510
to do require a down payment to basically start that process.

1115
01:26:33,310 --> 01:26:35,470
So would be original intended to start in that process in 19

1116
01:26:35,470 --> 01:26:37,430
that could take up to a year to a year and a half for them

1117
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:39,330
from a time to place the order for that truck

1118
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:40,930
to be ready to come in the service?

1119
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:45,450
So part of what we had kind of had a conversation about

1120
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:48,750
is really a first kind of front mode that the design work

1121
01:26:49,150 --> 01:26:51,650
of the, because it's kind of entirely unique.

1122
01:26:52,050 --> 01:26:53,330
The fight for home needs to go through and say,

1123
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:54,750
what do they want in the next engine,

1124
01:26:54,990 --> 01:26:56,710
what are the design components, kind of look through

1125
01:26:56,710 --> 01:27:01,070
do all that kind of, you know, front end work to make sure they're doing the right and

1126
01:27:01,070 --> 01:27:04,490
be a call, the right piece of equipment that I'll ask them for the next 20 years.

1127
01:27:05,630 --> 01:27:09,770
I think originally, the team that I talked about doing that work kind of later on in 18 with

1128
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:14,550
preparation for bringing the Dalperate in 19, over kind of giving this new South Circumstance,

1129
01:27:14,770 --> 01:27:19,270
that we're kind of on somewhat aspect a little bit on about time with this thing, and I

1130
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:24,250
think we'll be okay, you know, in talking with the HRSA, this will bridge us to in the

1131
01:27:24,250 --> 01:27:29,210
like it arrives, there's been in the discussion points of kind of fast tracking that design

1132
01:27:29,210 --> 01:27:34,710
work on the five public side, which could potentially have the design work done in 18

1133
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:39,550
while all in us to get that order placed with the order by the end before 19.

1134
01:27:40,690 --> 01:27:45,170
My advice for anything you can do to kind of exploit that process could help get that truck

1135
01:27:45,170 --> 01:27:50,030
in service here and in the city earlier, you know, because you can catch a met-up, you know,

1136
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:55,610
could save some time on delivery. The issue kind of becomes, you know, I guess they kind of

1137
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:59,630
type which are the consequences point is, how comfortable would you be if we frontloaded

1138
01:27:59,630 --> 01:28:03,970
the design work, everything done, and those borrowers wanted to advance the half-down payment

1139
01:28:03,970 --> 01:28:08,610
into 18 versus so we could decide the CAP from 1918.

1140
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:15,550
I'm actually, you go through that building phase which take a couple months to decide what

1141
01:28:15,550 --> 01:28:20,870
you'd want in the truck, you'd order the cabin chassis and that takes six months to deliver

1142
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:24,110
and at that time then the dumping will do. So this would be all in name.

1143
01:28:24,110 --> 01:28:29,430
Oh, that's all in name. Okay, so that's new information I got. So this would be what I just said.

1144
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:33,410
I never, I never said that was all information. Well, yeah, when I, when I, when I

1145
01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:39,150
impact 20 team budget, something that we're going to bring up to the Joint Fire Board to get this

1146
01:28:39,150 --> 01:28:46,870
process, I don't want to get the car before the horse, was to just verify that this is something

1147
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:53,810
that the council wants to move forward with on 19, and then if it is, then we'll start putting

1148
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:59,630
together that truck committee and fast-track that, because everybody that's on the department's

1149
01:28:59,630 --> 01:29:05,310
all paid on call, so to put that committee and put all those hours together to come up

1150
01:29:05,310 --> 01:29:11,970
what the design and build, we don't want to do that until we're for sure that we're probably

1151
01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:13,970
going to move forward with the CIP purchase.

1152
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:26,030
When it comes to the fire equipment, I know it's specialized, but I think more than one company

1153
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:28,030
that you've been against, or how does that work?

1154
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:29,510
Yes, you put it out to bed.

1155
01:29:30,170 --> 01:29:35,510
You basically will speck out what cabin chassis you want, and then what you're looking for

1156
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:43,150
home capabilities, equipment, and then you would send it out to the four or five main builders,

1157
01:29:43,810 --> 01:29:50,810
and then they would come in and basically do sealed beds, you'd open them up and then

1158
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:57,170
whatever lowest bid or the company that's capable of building what you're looking for, they

1159
01:29:57,170 --> 01:29:59,970
would get the award, and at that point, then you'd order.

1160
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,740
For that cabin chassis, that's about six months out, and it's about six months to build.

1161
01:30:05,740 --> 01:30:13,840
So typically, your truck committee takes about six months to call different manufacturers, research,

1162
01:30:13,940 --> 01:30:19,200
everything, come up with a plan. We kind of want to put all the hours together pretty quickly,

1163
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:23,620
and try to cut that down to two or three months instead of six months.

1164
01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:28,080
So I've got a couple of questions.

1165
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:38,480
To me 20 years seems like a too long time to have something valuable as a fire truck.

1166
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,940
I mean, our police guys are in and out of here in three years.

1167
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:54,940
So do they have programs, buybacks, anything poor, maybe, you know, this vehicle would then go to a smaller city,

1168
01:30:54,940 --> 01:31:02,480
department that doesn't have the budget we do so we can have newer modern equipment, maybe

1169
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:07,640
every eight or ten years and still at 20 or 24 years to replace something like this.

1170
01:31:08,140 --> 01:31:13,380
I'm not really aware of any programs like that, most departments when they purchase a truck

1171
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:20,640
will use it right out to the end of the life cycle, you know, obviously with like department

1172
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:25,580
like St. Paul or Minneapolis that are running a ton of different runs, they don't get the

1173
01:31:25,580 --> 01:31:31,960
20 years out of a vehicle, smaller departments like ours, we normally do.

1174
01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:37,680
These two trucks have just not been great trucks from the start.

1175
01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:44,980
Had they not had all the issues they had, we'd probably get even a couple more years out

1176
01:31:44,980 --> 01:31:46,220
of them.

1177
01:31:46,220 --> 01:31:51,880
We're very good with our maintenance, we keep up with annual maintenance, plus monthly maintenance,

1178
01:31:52,900 --> 01:31:59,920
and that does make a difference when you look at the expense and maintenance from the other trucks that we have.

1179
01:32:00,940 --> 01:32:03,620
These two are just expensive to maintain.

1180
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,220
So I hear you're saying it.

1181
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:12,580
It's all a good plan, and it'd be nice to have a newer truck less than every 20 years,

1182
01:32:12,580 --> 01:32:15,780
But I'm just not aware of any programs that are out there.

1183
01:32:15,940 --> 01:32:19,820
I can ask a couple of manufacturers if they're aware of that.

1184
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:26,780
I mean, it would be nice to be able to, I guess, both of these trucks are vital.

1185
01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:29,040
There's no question about that.

1186
01:32:29,380 --> 01:32:33,040
And for both of them to be in that 20 plus year range.

1187
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:41,340
And yes, we have to replace them, but we're going to be in that same position 20 years down

1188
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:52,800
And it would be nice to have on every eight or 10 years or you'd have that spread out so that, you know, you know, we got a fresh truck available.

1189
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,400
We need to look at that or you know, I suppose even.

1190
01:32:58,900 --> 01:33:02,440
Now you have different designations and this one's an engine tender.

1191
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,880
I don't know how that, I don't need to know how that works in there right now, but you know,

1192
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:15,220
If this is where we need to be in the future, I mean, obviously you've got more calls than ever,

1193
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:21,620
but less calls for fire and more for the rescue or so, you know, evaluating that equipment.

1194
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:33,620
And making sure we have the right equipment, I think, is part of that too, because I'm sure you're going to be needing to add something with the mom calls for getting.

1195
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:38,420
And then just last point was, you know, learn from our mistakes,

1196
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:41,860
but, you know, this truck is

1197
01:33:41,860 --> 01:33:45,720
rushing underneath, you know, there's not going to be any changes coming up in the future.

1198
01:33:46,420 --> 01:33:52,060
So, if this frame on the next trucks can be galvanized or stainless steel, if it's an option,

1199
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:58,080
but, you know, something to help with that corrosion, but I'm just as concerned about

1200
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:03,580
electronics, there's more modern electronics on these things and computers and everything else

1201
01:34:03,580 --> 01:34:10,260
and they're not going to hold up for 20 years, I just, you know, there's going to be issues

1202
01:34:10,260 --> 01:34:12,780
going down the line with all that type of stuff.

1203
01:34:14,180 --> 01:34:19,240
So, I think you struck out, are you a capacity weight-wise, can you get a bigger tanker?

1204
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:19,640
I don't know.

1205
01:34:20,140 --> 01:34:26,400
That's a lot of capacity for those trucks, if you start getting into bigger tankers,

1206
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:32,000
to get into length issues and getting into tighter driveways

1207
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,640
becomes a bigger issue.

1208
01:34:37,730 --> 01:34:41,130
And let's ask them to get a fixed, pretty affordably.

1209
01:34:41,570 --> 01:34:45,250
I just think what the safety aspect on that one.

1210
01:34:45,710 --> 01:34:46,630
I've worked on with rental myself.

1211
01:34:46,810 --> 01:34:48,950
I understand that when he's dressed in area,

1212
01:34:49,370 --> 01:34:50,990
that breaks not the only point.

1213
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:55,990
Kind of a long line of the earlier placement.

1214
01:34:55,990 --> 01:35:02,770
that do we currently go through any of a purposement or move a body on a new cabin chassis

1215
01:35:02,770 --> 01:35:06,190
halfway through the life and have it refurbished? Is that something that we're doing?

1216
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:17,170
We actually have, we have a 19e5, 4 9000, which is just a tender by itself. That's in Columbus.

1217
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:24,710
We did a full body of restoration, 8 or 10 years ago, and that trucks don't serve us an

1218
01:35:24,710 --> 01:35:30,170
would expect that truck to be in service probably for another 10 years even though it's

1219
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:38,310
I think it costs us $1,100 for annual maintenance and service last year, so it is actually

1220
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:45,090
our least expensive truck and probably most reliable, no electronics, but it doesn't run

1221
01:35:45,090 --> 01:35:53,790
for me miles a year, because for that to get down the road, you have a pretty big need

1222
01:35:53,790 --> 01:36:01,890
board and the other two twins that were looking at replacing, they had a whole body of frustration

1223
01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:10,170
I think five years ago and it started to rust through in some of the areas that were just

1224
01:36:10,170 --> 01:36:12,410
repaired not too many years ago.

1225
01:36:12,530 --> 01:36:17,390
So we actually do go through that process and try to extend the length of the vehicle.

1226
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:24,400
If you have mutual aid calls with these two, some of the trucks that would go out or what

1227
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:28,160
all depends on what the mutual aid call is.

1228
01:36:28,260 --> 01:36:34,760
If it's a large structure fire, 41, 27 or 10 or 1 out of Columbus, that does go out for

1229
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:35,380
those.

1230
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:41,460
We try not to empty all the trucks out of our areas, we still have coverage in porcelain,

1231
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:49,920
typically a tender engine and then a tender, but it's a fairly large fire, and then we'll

1232
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:56,500
to airboat on some brush trucks of a grass fire. So it all depends on what the call is,

1233
01:36:56,940 --> 01:37:03,060
but I heard some you had mentioned about buying the late trucks. One of the things that we're

1234
01:37:03,060 --> 01:37:10,180
looking at is 41-20, which is our rescue squad, with increase in vehicle accidents, medical calls.

1235
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,780
That's a command center vehicle, so it's fairly large, so we'll move around and medical is,

1236
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:22,020
for a lift assist, we're sending that truck out and so they, a lot of departments have done

1237
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:29,660
as they started going with a smaller, pretty much utility, utility vehicle, it's built on a

1238
01:37:29,660 --> 01:37:35,880
one ton or a 450 frame with a box and they put their extrication tools in that and they're

1239
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:43,500
medical tools out on that and so their heavy rescues that run around $500,000 to replace,

1240
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:51,180
They can buy 150 to $200,000 a pickup truck type vehicle and run in those on the majority

1241
01:37:51,180 --> 01:37:58,880
of the small-type calls to extend the life of that rescue squad considerable amount of time.

1242
01:38:00,460 --> 01:38:02,020
Yeah, I'll make sense.

1243
01:38:04,980 --> 01:38:06,260
Any other questions for the chief?

1244
01:38:08,170 --> 01:38:08,510
All right.

1245
01:38:10,850 --> 01:38:11,850
Good job, Bill.

1246
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:15,110
All right.

1247
01:38:17,210 --> 01:38:18,030
Open on to nine.

1248
01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:18,850
Other

1249
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,200
public things.

1250
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,060
And maybe Dave, this is more for you than anything.

1251
01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:34,140
But you can get in complaints about significant increase traffic on some of their

1252
01:38:34,140 --> 01:38:44,340
roads due to road construction, and can we put calcium chloride down, or whatever the mixture

1253
01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:47,520
is, and it's not in our budget,

1254
01:38:50,610 --> 01:38:54,230
but staff wants any feedback on that, or if we can get pricing

1255
01:38:54,230 --> 01:39:01,390
or see if there are some roads that definitely would benefit from it.

1256
01:39:01,390 --> 01:39:12,210
The price-wise, it's about three bucks a gallon and you apply it at whatever, 0.3 gallons per

1257
01:39:12,210 --> 01:39:17,110
square foot, so about $4,300 to $5,000 per mile

1258
01:39:21,460 --> 01:39:26,800
country block is $5,000 a slot and that's

1259
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,360
a time per ton.

1260
01:39:30,260 --> 01:39:37,060
Depends on when you apply your first one, if you apply it later on, you can maybe get away

1261
01:39:37,060 --> 01:39:43,420
with one, but typically two, you do one in May, and then one in August, early August.

1262
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,240
I got, I got, right, enough for a mile.

1263
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:54,000
So for the city, if you figured 30 miles, it'd be $130 to $150,000 per application.

1264
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:55,480
If you did all of our railroads.

1265
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:04,720
Well, I've just talked a couple of them that are seeing a lot of, you just want people to really call me, don't you?

1266
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,620
Why did you spray on the crest and not my road?

1267
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:13,880
I got a second or an email. I didn't get the initial and all I asked for. How many miles are we talking here?

1268
01:40:14,660 --> 01:40:15,720
Let me really complain about.

1269
01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:22,700
I had to have that up, but five miles, ten miles probably would be having to deal with.

1270
01:40:22,820 --> 01:40:24,400
You made your complaints, sir.

1271
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,800
Elmcrest, Fenway, 180th, 180th, 180th.

1272
01:40:30,220 --> 01:40:30,500
Keith,

1273
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,080
it's about here. One's right there. Those chunks.

1274
01:40:37,690 --> 01:40:45,330
All of those other restrictions because of water shed requirements and any of those areas are burning.

1275
01:40:46,690 --> 01:40:48,030
All of them are eligible for it.

1276
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:53,570
Not for calcium cleria, because it doesn't run off, you blend it in when you're in six to the go.

1277
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:57,120
Yeah,

1278
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:07,200
just kind of curious to be able to put this in a line item for Jane to work on it on one project maybe.

1279
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:07,780
I

1280
01:41:10,820 --> 01:41:26,240
definitely see the benefit, I mean, the heavily traveled roads, but also I mean if you're gonna throw $300,000 a year at keeping a dust on a gravel throw $300,000 a double chip ceiling and knock out three miles of gravel roads and double chip ceiling.

1281
01:41:26,780 --> 01:41:30,420
And those three miles are good for six years without really any maintenance.

1282
01:41:30,420 --> 01:41:37,360
I mean, I think there's maybe a part calcium chloride in a part of the average increase.

1283
01:41:37,780 --> 01:41:40,460
I mean, because I double-chipsing that for sure to sell that great.

1284
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:44,660
There's a couple of hot holes that we're going to patch in.

1285
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,540
And I mean, you made it through a whole winter.

1286
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,420
I think that's...

1287
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:52,280
If I were to be spending the month, it was my money.

1288
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:53,800
I would spend it on double-chipsing.

1289
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,020
You want to focus on chipselling.

1290
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,920
Maybe these roads that are going to be beat up.

1291
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:01,440
because of the project structure.

1292
01:42:02,180 --> 01:42:06,120
Yeah, I mean, even the double chip, so 1.9, you know what I mean, basically we'll have it

1293
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:11,300
from here all the way to 61 and all 61 almost the fin wake as it'll be millions in there.

1294
01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:15,140
So all that will be double chip, so I mean, kind of what we're doing and still the chip

1295
01:42:15,140 --> 01:42:17,540
sign is just going in these places as well.

1296
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,920
And we're coming up on here all from 1.80 up to up to 2 curves.

1297
01:42:23,180 --> 01:42:28,220
So we're kind of systematically attacking these roads that we get the complaints on, you know.

1298
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,800
The system doesn't work well, you know, of course you've got it.

1299
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:36,760
Too, I wanted to take it and do the process, not that I should prohibit this, but, you know,

1300
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,700
if you're shutting down somebody's alternative route.

1301
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,560
To do the calcium chloride of the double chip sealant, that will keep the sealant.

1302
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:46,580
They just do one way out of the time to set black tap and so I'll spray one side and chip it

1303
01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:49,200
and then open it up and then spray the other side.

1304
01:42:49,380 --> 01:42:53,960
So you shut down the lane, basically closing the lane off for over a long ago.

1305
01:42:57,070 --> 01:42:58,510
You'll have a lot to give you that.

1306
01:42:58,650 --> 01:43:02,250
The contact heal will be if you're wanting to see it this year when they're doing it.

1307
01:43:02,930 --> 01:43:09,110
It's pretty neat to watch them do it, it's pretty fast and it's amazing how hard I'll

1308
01:43:09,110 --> 01:43:11,210
set up against almost immediately.

1309
01:43:12,330 --> 01:43:12,730
That's good.

1310
01:43:12,930 --> 01:43:13,590
That's not right.

1311
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:14,770
I'm able to score any.

1312
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:24,130
It's on the radar, but they don't have any that they're not ready to use them in their own.

1313
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:28,690
They're using it for the reason I think for the bridge and things like that right now.

1314
01:43:30,450 --> 01:43:34,250
Contractors don't like it too when we tell our world projects we don't want to give it up

1315
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:34,470
be it.

1316
01:43:34,710 --> 01:43:35,430
It's odd commodity.

1317
01:43:36,350 --> 01:43:37,190
It's worth it.

1318
01:43:37,190 --> 01:43:37,790
Put your creativity.

1319
01:43:38,010 --> 01:43:39,270
So anyways, I'm sure.

1320
01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:45,410
Not as much on these two projects because the road is so down on the Northwest part and then

1321
01:43:45,410 --> 01:43:49,190
hey we're that we can't pull straight millions, we're just reclaiming the road and it'll

1322
01:43:49,190 --> 01:43:57,470
be like a blend, you know, 50, 50 blend, which is better than nothing but it's I mean

1323
01:43:58,090 --> 01:44:01,550
If you used to just throw it away, I mean they tear up a rod and just discard it, thinking

1324
01:44:01,550 --> 01:44:02,430
it wasn't worth anything.

1325
01:44:02,830 --> 01:44:06,250
And I mean, I'll dump it back in and make new rolls with it, plus use it for base.

1326
01:44:07,410 --> 01:44:09,350
And it's a high commodity.

1327
01:44:10,730 --> 01:44:11,930
Then we'll work now along.

1328
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:12,550
Yep.

1329
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:19,880
Last question for me at the airport.

1330
01:44:20,620 --> 01:44:22,020
It's seen very annoying.

1331
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,200
And what's the schedule?

1332
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:30,020
I mean, along the runway, obviously, you need to get more and more than others.

1333
01:44:30,020 --> 01:44:37,300
is earning just more, everything at once or I was at that. Typically, once a week, once a week

1334
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:43,380
until July and that's all down, that's once every 10 days to two weeks. It's sort of

1335
01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:46,180
more on the entire airport like that.

1336
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:53,280
Seems like I don't, sort of way we can adjust that

1337
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:58,540
to where, you know, around the runways gets more but the others can leave it a little bit

1338
01:44:58,540 --> 01:44:59,480
So we're not

1339
01:45:00,210 --> 01:45:01,750
How many hours in the home?

1340
01:45:02,770 --> 01:45:08,110
I guess the only downside is if you had to go, then you'd have to use different equipment to try to cut that other stuff down.

1341
01:45:08,590 --> 01:45:12,230
If you stay up with your progressive and your ground master, you constantly moan at that three inches.

1342
01:45:12,510 --> 01:45:17,110
If you'd like to grow up to a foot, then you can't use those doors anywhere and knock it down.

1343
01:45:17,790 --> 01:45:20,150
So you're changing the behavior, or something all you need to do?

1344
01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:29,750
I don't think it'd be a conversation. The airport commission could have with tailors and see if there's any other land there that they would like to crop.

1345
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:31,910
I mean, that's completely fine.

1346
01:45:32,290 --> 01:45:37,030
Don't forsake the reasons you want to keep that not a track of the wildlife, right?

1347
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:38,950
That's part of it.

1348
01:45:39,570 --> 01:45:42,110
But yeah, it's just a safety thing, too.

1349
01:45:42,450 --> 01:45:42,730
We'll go on.

1350
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:47,350
But I'd have to agree, and it seems to me that even kind of let it go.

1351
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:51,850
It's just going to make it tougher in the next time to do it, you know?

1352
01:45:53,290 --> 01:45:54,870
But maybe cost you more even.

1353
01:45:55,210 --> 01:45:55,630
I don't know.

1354
01:45:55,710 --> 01:45:57,430
Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

1355
01:45:57,430 --> 01:46:05,510
I understand more than parks on a weekly schedule, but there's no activity.

1356
01:46:05,810 --> 01:46:10,610
I mean, the runways are there, but I'm not a pilot.

1357
01:46:10,930 --> 01:46:11,070
I don't know.

1358
01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:13,170
That's why I'm asking the questions very quickly.

1359
01:46:13,970 --> 01:46:18,070
I would just think that we could save the 110 hours a week or whatever.

1360
01:46:18,570 --> 01:46:22,290
No, the one thing I just want to make sure, Dave, that, you know,

1361
01:46:22,290 --> 01:46:28,470
the lights there, the hands and that area, we should, the city should not be mowing any of that.

1362
01:46:28,590 --> 01:46:32,750
I mean, that's all to the innovative light owners or whatever you want to call them.

1363
01:46:33,410 --> 01:46:39,230
And I think the airport commission said letters, I'll make sure that everybody's doing that part of it.

1364
01:46:39,410 --> 01:46:41,930
Because they are really responsible for their own lights.

1365
01:46:41,930 --> 01:46:43,390
I'm going to ask you a little bit of the commercial.

1366
01:46:44,810 --> 01:46:45,170
Yeah.

1367
01:46:45,170 --> 01:46:45,470
Absolutely.

1368
01:46:45,870 --> 01:46:47,050
You know.

1369
01:46:49,190 --> 01:46:50,450
We're not maintaining that.

1370
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:51,050
We're all of that.

1371
01:46:51,130 --> 01:46:55,410
I think he's more concerned about just being able to get in and out of the hand here.

1372
01:46:55,610 --> 01:46:56,450
You know, that kind of thing.

1373
01:46:58,550 --> 01:47:02,250
Those individuals at Watts, we got to make sure that the city isn't spending time doing that.

1374
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:02,670
Yeah.

1375
01:47:02,850 --> 01:47:06,730
It's been past practice that they've just kind of, you know, before a lot of them weren't purchased.

1376
01:47:07,050 --> 01:47:07,670
You know, they weren't.

1377
01:47:07,670 --> 01:47:07,890
Right.

1378
01:47:07,950 --> 01:47:10,230
So we just kind of swan in and mowed all of them.

1379
01:47:10,670 --> 01:47:11,850
And if they're all purchased on either.

1380
01:47:11,850 --> 01:47:13,550
And we're also going to go and also.

1381
01:47:15,740 --> 01:47:17,860
Plaza, no, we almost got the whole center mold.

1382
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,720
And if you've been out there lately, the center of the airport

1383
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:22,560
and the Queen of the Netherlands attacks you in.

1384
01:47:22,860 --> 01:47:24,780
Yeah, almost all, but more down now.

1385
01:47:24,980 --> 01:47:27,920
So that's the right old, that's a positive,

1386
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:31,040
a new mold.

1387
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:32,920
A new mold, a new mold.

1388
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:34,020
Very nice.

1389
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:39,620
You shaved about six hours in my life of the meetings.

1390
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,380
And we'll probably share what a half a day out of the airport.

1391
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:49,540
So, again, ten hours a week, you know the facts, lovely.

1392
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:51,360
Excellent.

1393
01:47:51,620 --> 01:47:54,900
A little talk when your operator is at Big Rig Day, he said you're a nice,

1394
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:55,940
So, yeah.

1395
01:47:56,480 --> 01:48:00,340
It's good to hear that it cuts some grass and it doesn't slow it on you.

1396
01:48:00,540 --> 01:48:04,580
That it progressive that we have, you get wet grass and you'll just fog it.

1397
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:07,100
That's all just power it through it.

1398
01:48:07,420 --> 01:48:08,600
Those anchors have torque.

1399
01:48:09,420 --> 01:48:10,480
Those anchors have torque.

1400
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:11,600
Yeah, they do.

1401
01:48:13,710 --> 01:48:14,150
All right.

1402
01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:17,050
Anything else to bring up of the workshop?

1403
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:20,090
Come off you again?

1404
01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:21,470
So moved?

1405
01:48:21,850 --> 01:48:22,190
Oh second?

1406
01:48:22,770 --> 01:48:23,530
I wasn't there either?

1407
01:48:23,650 --> 01:48:23,890
Hi.

1408
01:48:24,530 --> 01:48:24,650
Hi.

1409
01:48:37,300 --> 01:48:37,880
There you are.

1410
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,260
All the last.

1411
01:48:42,620 --> 01:48:42,640
Yeah.

1412
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:42,980
All right.

1413
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:43,920
All right.

1414
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:44,180
All right.

1415
01:48:44,180 --> 01:48:44,400
All right.

1416
01:48:46,460 --> 01:48:46,860
All right.

1417
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:52,360
Thank you.