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Good evening everyone. We'll get started

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uh the August 24th, 2026 city council

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meeting. And Amanda, if you could take

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role.

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>> Mayor Roberts

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>> here.

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>> Council member Miller

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>> here.

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>> Council member Valento

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>> here. Council member Ericson

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>> here.

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>> Council member Larson

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>> here.

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>> And if you're able, please join us in

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standing for the pledge of

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>> allegiance.

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I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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right. Our first item is uh

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presentations and we have the

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>> Let's approve the agenda.

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>> Oh, guess we got to approve the agenda.

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That'd be good. All right. I'm willing

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to entertain a motion to move.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Motion a second. Any further discussion?

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All in favor?

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>> I opposed. We have our agenda. Now we'll

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go into presentations. uh the 2025 audit

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presentation and Jackie Nolles will be

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presenting that. Welcome.

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» Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. I'm

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Jackie Nolles with Bergen KDB going to

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be going over a summary of the audit

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results and also the city's operating

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results for 2025.

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The main purpose of our audit is to

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provide our independent auditors report.

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[clears throat]

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Within this report, we state that

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management is responsible for the dollar

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amounts in the financial statements and

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our responsibility as auditors is to

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provide an opinion on those financial

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statements based on the results of our

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test work. This year we are providing an

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unmodified or a clean opinion that's the

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best that we can offer and the same that

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the city has been receiving. What that

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does is it provides assurance that the

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financial statements are presented

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fairly in all material respects. the

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position of the district as of December

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31st, 2025 and all of the activity that

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occurred within the year.

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One additional report that we are

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required to issue is the report on

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Minnesota legal compliance that is

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required by the office of the state

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auditor and we did not have any

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compliance findings related to that. We

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did have one internal control finding,

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the lack of segregation of accounting

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duties which I'm sure will sound

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familiar to most of you. it is a repeat

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finding um just with one person handling

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multiple steps in a transaction process.

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So we do want council and management to

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continue to be aware of that um but no

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specific recommendations related to

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changes at this time.

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Um so with that we'll move into the

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general fund operating results for the

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year and revenue was projected at about

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13.2 2 million and the council

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authorized expenditures at an equal

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amount for a break even or a balanced

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budget for the year.

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Actual revenue came in at about 13.68

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million that is a positive or overbudget

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variance of about $477,000.

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While expenditures came in at about

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13.17 million, so about $34,000 under

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budget. and fund balance actually

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increased by about $536,000

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as a result of 2025 activity. And we'll

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get into the details in a little bit

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here.

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Um, so looking at that total fund

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balance for the year, um, you can see

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it's gone up overall over the last five

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years in 2025, as I mentioned, up about

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536,000

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in total. And the majority of that falls

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to the unassigned category which is

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available for spending on any purpose.

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That number of about $7.7 million is an

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important number because we look at it

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in accordance with the city's fund

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balance policy. Um so that number is

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equal to 52.6%

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of the budgeted fiscal year 2026

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expenditures.

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And the city's policy outlines a goal of

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maintaining an unassigned fund balance

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of 50% of the subsequent year's budgeted

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expenditure. So coming in at 52.6% you

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are in compliance with policy at the end

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of the year.

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Um looking at revenues next. In total

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revenues were up about 5.3%

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in 2025 compared to the previous year.

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that was primarily within the property

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tax source of revenue um due to an

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increase in the amount levied in the

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general fund.

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increase and that was primarily due to

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an increase um in interest earnings

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include including a positive change in

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the fair market value of the city's

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investment portfolio.

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Um looking at the allocation of revenue

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sources over the last couple of years

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very consistent as revenues have

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increased it has been um consistent

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across the different sources of revenue

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in the general fund

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and looking into a little bit uh further

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detail with those budget to actual

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results. Um, as I noted earlier,

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revenues in total overbudget about

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$477,000.

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That positive variance was across all

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sources except for property taxes due to

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conservative budgeting specifically for

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investment income, certain state aids,

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and also building and development

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activity.

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that was due to the full levy amount

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being budgeted. But of course, actual

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revenue is impacted by delinquents and

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other adjustments.

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Looking at expenditures next, um in

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total expenditures up about 9.3%

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from 2024 to 2025. Um the city has seen

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inflationary increases over the last

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five years. Um, a lot of that increase

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from 2024 to 2025 was related to salary

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and benefit increases.

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Um, the largest increase being within

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the city's largest spending program,

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public safety, due to those salary and

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benefit increases. Also, there were

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computer system upgrade costs. Uh, pass

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through fire relief aid was up and then

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also turnout gear purchases were some of

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the the larger items within that

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category.

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Uh public works expenditures were up

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about $296,000.

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there were also inflationary increases

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across supplies, utilities, repairs, and

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maintenance.

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about $244,000

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and that was across professional

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services and salary and benefit

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increases.

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expenditures of about $174,000.

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And that was due to increased costs for

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temporary planning services um during

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the staff shortages.

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Um again, we have some pie charts just

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showing that spending allocation over

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the last couple of years. And similar

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[clears throat] to revenues, um we see a similar allocation here across the two

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years. So as spending has increased, it

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has been spread evenly across the city's

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programs.

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And then looking at budget to actual

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results for expenditures,

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as noted earlier, in total under budget

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about $34,000. Um there were some larger

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variances within the general government

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program and the public safety program.

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in general government expenditures under

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budget about $200,000

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and that was due to lower full-time

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wages and benefits costs than budgeted

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due to staff turnover partially

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offsetting that. Public safety was

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overbudget about $124,000

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and that was primarily due to

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professional service costs related to

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building inspection services during

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staff shortages.

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Um, so with that, we'll look at the two

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enterprise funds of the city next.

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Starting off with water, operating

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income up about 5.7%

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primarily due to rate increases, while

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operating expenses were up about 8.3%

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and that was primarily related to

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increased depreciation expense taken on

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some completed capital projects.

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The water fund is reporting operating

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income of about $726,000

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in 2025, including all of the

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depreciation expense. Um, so that shows

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that this fund is building up future

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monies for capital replacement costs.

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were very consistent from 2024 to 2025,

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while operating expenses were up about

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11.6%. 6%. Um that was also due to

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increased depreciation expense taken on

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newly completed projects and also the

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sewer treatment costs were up.

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This fund reported operating income of

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about $268,000

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including all of the depreciation

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expense. So this fund is also building

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up future funds for capital replacement

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costs.

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look at the city's tax capacity, levy,

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and rates over the last five years.

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up primarily due to increasing property

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values. The city's tax levy has

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increased at a consistent dollar amount

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over the last five years. So, this has

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resulted in a tax capacity rate that has

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varied between about 35.6%

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and 41.6%. 6% over the last five years.

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Um, and that was my prepared

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presentation. I'm happy to take any

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[clears throat] Any questions?

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I guess I just have one and my staff

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might be able to help. So the economic

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development part

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um being build towards taking I guess

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using that account to pay for

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uh you know the extra services of of

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planners or assuming um

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>> yeah I noted that as well. I it isn't

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coded that way in our system. So I'm not

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sure how the it kind of translates that

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but the community development department

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is separate from the economic

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development department where the

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community development department has

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been um capturing the costs for

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temporary planning services.

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>> But did that happen in 25 or 26?

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>> Um we've had temporary planning services

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various times.

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>> How's it been? What was it coded in 25?

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not economic development?

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>> So, so that was a change then.

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>> Yeah, I'm I can't attest to that. I know

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I'm coding them necessarily.

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>> Maybe Julian,

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>> we can definitely take a look

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>> follow up on that.

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>> Yeah, mayor and Mr. or Mr. Mayor and

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Council, I will follow up on that and

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provide you some background on that.

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>> Okay, great.

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Any other questions?

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All right. Well, thank you for coming

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tonight.

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>> Very detailed. Appreciate it.

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» All right, we will next item is open

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forum. This an opportunity for them come

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anyone to come speak to the council on

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any city matter. Please limit your

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remarks to around three minutes and

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state your name and address for the

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record.

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Uh we have Brian Gould here, but it

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looks like you are more on that

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cannabis. Uh so do you want to speak

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now? You can there's time to speak at at that agenda item obviously.

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>> I think that would be fine. Mr. Mayor,

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he is the applicant. Council like to

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>> inquire. We can wait till that agenda

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item comes up. Anyone else like to speak

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this evening?

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>> All right. See no one else. We will go

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into the consent consent agenda. Anyone

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willing to make a motion to approve

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tonight's consent agenda?

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>> I'll make a motion to approve consent

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agenda items 7A through 7G.

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>> I'll second.

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>> All right, we have a motion and a

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second. Any further discussion? All in

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favor?

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>> I opposed.

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>> We have our consent agenda pass. We will

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go right into regular agenda items. uh

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public works facility funding options

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and Bruce Kimmel from Ellers.

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» Welcome.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Good evening, Mr. Mayor and council

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members. Can you hear me? Okay. Is this

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on? Okay.

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I'm in the uh circle of uh weird

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acoustics here, but I'm glad to be back

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with you here. uh Bruce Kimmel with

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Ellers and this is following up on

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[clears throat] a few previous

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discussions that we've had regarding uh

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possible approaches to financing this

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planned or at least proposed public

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works facility uh most recently on July

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13th. And at that meeting that was a

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really helpful and and productive

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discussion. It seemed like it was the

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council's wishes to maintain the current

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level of street reconstruction funding

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from the franchise fee at roughly $1.1

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million. That's what you'll be

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collecting this year from the franchise

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fees. [clears throat]

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And then also uh you had indicated some

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interest in seeing what the impacts

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would be if you did a financing approach

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for the public works facility that was

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all property taxes or all franchise fees

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or all sewer and water utility revenues

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just to sort of level set what those all

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or nothing impacts might be. And then

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finally, uh, you asked us to come back

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with a another funding approach just for

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purposes of discussion, a new baseline,

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if you will, and to see if we could get

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to a level of comfort to, uh, authorize

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staff to move forward with next steps in

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terms of planning and and moving the

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ball along with this project. So, I'll

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look forward to going through all this

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with you. Please stop me along the way

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if you have questions. really want this

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to be a discussion and we can certainly

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um look in different directions based on

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um your preferences.

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So, uh this is really just a holdover

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slide from the past presentation, but I

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did want to note um the current rate

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structure that you have in place for the

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franchise fees. You'll recall that last

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fall you authorized some fairly

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significant increases in the franchise

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fees for both natural gas and electric

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and that based on those changes and the

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number of customers per category. You

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can see how that you're you're looking

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to generate about $400,000 on the

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natural gas side, about $700,000 on the

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electric side for about 1.1 million.

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Might be a little bit more than that,

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but that should be in the ballpark. And

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all of that money, as you know, is going

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towards street reconstruction projects

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and we would anticipate that would

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continue in the future as well.

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Then looking at 100% allocation, for

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lack of a better term, we took a look at

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that using a somewhat simplified bond

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scenario. And I've put the parameters

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here for your uh consideration. Again,

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the $35 million placeholder for the

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project cost. looking at a total bonding

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amount of about 35 a.5 million. That's

390
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probably a little bit high. Most likely

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we would be a little bit lower than

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that, but wanted to be fairly

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conservative for this uh uh purpose.

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We looked at a 25-year level repayment

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term and an average interest rate of

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about four and a half%. That rate is

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also high. In today's market, you'd be

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closer to 4%. But again, we wanted to

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give you a little bit of a cushion, not

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knowing what will happen between uh

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between now and then uh in terms of

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interest rates. Given all those

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assumptions, you're looking at annual

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debt service of about $2.4 million per

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year. And so the going from there, when

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we looked at putting this just on the

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property tax levy, you can see that on a

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$300,000 residential homestead, that uh

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impact would be about $170 more per per

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year. It would be about $370 uh dollar

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more on a $600,000 residential

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homestead. It's not exactly um

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proportional uh because you may uh

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recall there's something called a market

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value exclusion that helps buy down

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property taxes for uh values up to about

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$515,000.

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Kind of ratchets down and then it goes

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away completely on value that's above

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515. And so that's why um a $600,000

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property would be paying more than twice

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what a $300,000 property would pay.

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If we did a franchise fee approach, um

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the net additional impact would be about

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$250

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per year on a residential gas and

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electric customer. Uh we we also have

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the numbers on uh commercial uh and

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other non-residential customers if you

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wanted to get into that. And then the um

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also impact would be roughly the same, a

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little bit higher, but it really depends

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on what assumptions you make. Um, if we

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put it all on sewer and electric or sew

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sewer, excuse me, sewer and water, that

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should say, [clears throat] excuse me,

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the impact would be about $290

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per year more on top of existing rates.

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So, um, some differences there, but also

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some commonalities if you chose one or

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another.

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Now with that said, um, from our

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perspect, sorry, back on that last

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slide, you mentioned having it for the,

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uh, commercial on the franchise fees and

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the the utility sewer. Do you have any,

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uh, numbers on what, uh, say a

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million-doll commercial property would

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be if it was on the property taxes?

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>> Uh, I can run those very easily. Yeah.

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Okay.

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>> I literally could fire up my computer

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and and and do that. I don't know if

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that's necessary right now.

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>> I think if you go back go back one more

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slide, the franchise fees isn't, correct

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me if I'm wrong, isn't based on the

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value of the building, but just on the

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hookup.

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>> So like a large commercial building is

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going to pay 104 a month versus 25 for

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small,

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>> right? I'm asking what the what the

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property tax would be increase would be

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what the franchise fees

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>> on a million dollar commercial. Yeah,

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>> it would m

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get that sent to us or something. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. No, we can definitely provide

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that. Um, you probably uh recall that

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commercial properties pay a higher

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classification rate than do residential

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homesteads, almost twice as much.

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>> You're well aware of that. And so, uh,

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and there's no market value exclusion or

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anything to buy down that impact for CI

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property, commercial industrial. So,

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yeah, the impact would be pretty

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significant on a CI property of that

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value. Yeah.

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>> Thanks.

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So, um, with that, I I think it was

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helpful to sort of level set just to see

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if we put the full $2.4 million per year

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on one type of revenue source or

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another. That said, as your advisor, um,

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I I would very much suggest that we look

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at an approach that blends uh several

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different revenue sources because each

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of them has pros and cons, advantages

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and disadvantages. So property tax

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supported debt um as you recall you have

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a lot of debt that is falling off pretty

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rapidly in the 2030s. You you have a big

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drop down in 2033 and then another big

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drop down after 2034

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to a fairly nominal amount of of

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property tax supported debt after that

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point. By no means uh am I looking to

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bank on that completely. We know that

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you have other property tax supported

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needs in the community both on the

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operating budget and the capital budget,

504
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right? So, we can't just solve a perfect

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um solution for this public works

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facility and foreclose your ability to

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address other needs of the city in the

508
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future. Um, but there is some capacity

509
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that will be freed up in the early 2030s

510
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and I think that's worth factoring into

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a solution. In addition, your franchise

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fees are pretty low um in terms of

513
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nominal dollars right now. Of course,

514
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every dollar counts to to taxpayers. I'm

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not discounting that at all. But on a

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nominal dollar basis, you could say,

517
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"Yeah, we've got some room to move

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upward on that. On the other hand, if we

519
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tried to do the full $2.4 4 million on

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franchise fees. Um, this might be hard

521
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to believe, but you would need to

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increase franchise fees by $80 or 80%,

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not $80 next year and another 80% on top

524
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of that in 2028 to get to that 2.4

525
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million on top of the existing 1.1.

526
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Right? So, you're looking at a pretty

527
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big uh increase uh in terms of

528
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percentages. And as Mr. Adams can tell

529
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you, the cost of doing street

530
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reconstruction never gets cheaper. Um,

531
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and as the city grows, you'll need to

532
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keep funding those projects. And so, we

533
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want to be mindful that you might want

534
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to use franchise fees to pay for more

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than $1.1 million of street projects in

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the future, knowing that those needs

537
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will never get less.

538
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And then finally on the utility rates,

539
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they're also maybe a little less visible

540
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than property taxes, but still visible

541
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to both residents and business owners.

542
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And uh if we looked at a 75% 25% split

543
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between those two utilities, again,

544
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trying to solve for the full full $2.4

545
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million, you'd have to raise your sewer

546
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rates by about 40% and your water rates

547
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by about 20%.

548
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Certainly that in and of itself would

549
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probably be somewhat challenging uh for folks to swallow and also we know

550
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,039
you have more utility projects that will

551
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,679
need to get done. Lift stations, water

552
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:43,360
manes, all that kind of good stuff in

553
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,039
the future. Again, we don't want to

554
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:46,720
create a solution today for the public

555
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,039
works facility that really makes it

556
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,880
difficult for you to take care of core

557
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,840
infrastructure in the future.

558
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,159
So, when we looked at all of these

559
00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:58,960
elements, um, both your existing rates,

560
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,360
your existing taxes, and your future

561
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,320
needs and priorities, I really didn't

562
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,440
plan it this way, but, um, it seems to

563
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,799
me in looking at all of your present and

564
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,520
future uh, situations and and

565
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,120
considerations

566
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,080
that something like a third, a third, a

567
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,200
third approach could be a viable path

568
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,360
forward in both efficient and

569
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,520
affordability for the city and its

570
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,120
taxpayers.

571
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,200
So what that might look like and again

572
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,840
you have teen ways of structuring this

573
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,720
right this is not the only way of of

574
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,159
slicing and dicing but if you uh had a

575
00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:41,200
third of the project paid from property

576
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,760
taxes I might suggest that you have

577
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,120
interestonly payments through 2033

578
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,039
that's when you have that first really

579
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:51,679
big drop off on your existing tax

580
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:54,080
supported debt and then you would have

581
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,279
level debt service for let's say 19

582
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:58,799
years after that. That's what we've

583
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,159
modeled. So six years plus 19 years, 25

584
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:06,000
years total on the property tax side. Um

585
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,520
I would note that you could actually do

586
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,000
the property tax portion faster if you

587
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,840
wanted to. There's nothing saying you

588
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,840
would need to stretch that that out 25

589
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,480
years, but again it all depends on how

590
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520
much capacity you want to preserve for

591
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760
other needs of the city that would be

592
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,000
paid with property taxes. So, it's

593
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,640
striking that balance. Then on the

594
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,080
franchise fee side, you might look to uh

595
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,000
increase fees next year and the year

596
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,159
after that. You certainly wouldn't need

597
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,240
80% increases. It would be much much

598
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,120
less than that um to support level debt

599
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,360
service on again about a third of the

600
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,320
project cost there on that side of

601
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960
things. And you would you could have

602
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,640
level debt service or near level debt

603
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,440
service over roughly 25 years on that

604
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,159
part. And then finally, we might suggest

605
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:56,400
something similar from water and sewer

606
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,279
utility revenues. We really could um

607
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,440
look at different allocations between

608
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,440
water and sewer. You might recall that

609
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,679
in previous iterations we were saying

610
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:07,600
this much exactly from water, this much

611
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,559
exactly from sewer. For purposes of

612
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,799
making a decision on whether and how to

613
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,840
move forward, I might recommend that we

614
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,679
leave that a little more open-ended, but

615
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,320
to say knowing that you've got future

616
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,240
needs again in both the water fund and

617
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,559
the sewer fund, how can we uh achieve

618
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,480
basically a third of the funding from

619
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760
those two sources again with somewhat

620
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,120
more modest uh rate increases in 27 and

621
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,159
28 to then just be able to provide for

622
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:41,520
the debt service over 25 years. With all

623
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,600
of these, you would have the ability to

624
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,840
prepay or a future council would have

625
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,400
the ability to prepay and also the

626
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,200
ability to refinance if rates would

627
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,000
allow for um a refinancing for interest

628
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,640
rate savings, interest cost savings on

629
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,120
the future years of the bonds. So we're

630
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,679
trying to find a solution for here in 26

631
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:05,360
27 28 but also know that hopefully as

632
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,480
the city continues to grow right the net

633
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000
impact per customer per taxpayer is

634
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,240
going to become less. We don't want to

635
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,919
bank on that saying, "Oh, yeah, it's

636
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:17,679
going to get super easy 10 years from

637
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,919
now." But also, you're in a really good

638
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,880
situation in being elected officials in

639
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,840
a growing city in that you know that the

640
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,559
net per capita impact should be going

641
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,440
down as the city continues to grow and

642
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,600
as uh there's more customers, more

643
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,640
franchise fee payers, and more taxpayers

644
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,640
in the community.

645
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,360
So, what might this look like? Okay, I

646
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,360
know that's a lot of numbers here. I I

647
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:48,720
have to put on my readers myself. And these are all rounded uh to

648
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,120
thousands. I didn't want to overwhelm

649
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,919
you with all sorts of, you know, numbers

650
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:57,039
down to the dollar, but what we are

651
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,279
showing here is how these three pieces

652
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,720
might come together. So, let's assume

653
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,600
you might issue this debt sometime in

654
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,640
2027. Uh when Jolene and I were talking,

655
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,039
we thought maybe in the fall of 2027

656
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,440
would be a realistic assumption. Could

657
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,120
be earlier, could be a little bit later,

658
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,880
but maybe sometime around a year from

659
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,640
now. And so with that, you would have

660
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,320
essentially a half year of interest only

661
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,799
that would be due um on on the bonds

662
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,080
uh on or around 21 of 28. So you can see

663
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,200
that's really coming from fiscal 27, but

664
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,240
it would be that bond year end uh ending

665
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,360
on 21 of 28 and some pretty nominal

666
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:47,360
interestonly payments. And again, I'm uh these numbers wouldn't be as as

667
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,440
rounded. They would be more more

668
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,200
granular than this, but you can see it's

669
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,559
about $800,000 in total from across the

670
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,679
three payment sources.

671
00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:00,320
And then on the utility revenue side and

672
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
on the franchise fee side, you can see

673
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,320
how you go then in fiscal 28 to level

674
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480
debt service. Does everyone see that?

675
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120
How it's about 800 grand per year in

676
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,880
both of those columns for 25 years. That

677
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,120
just happens to be roughly uh onethird

678
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,679
per column of $2.4 million.

679
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,320
So if you let it run its course through

680
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,000
fiscal 52, the utility funds between

681
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,159
water and sewer and the franchise fee

682
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:36,159
fund um would be paying 800 grand each

683
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:38,799
through uh 202.

684
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,159
A little bit different on the property

685
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:42,080
tax side and this is again to try to

686
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,720
take a little bit of advantage of your

687
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840
existing tax supported debt falling off.

688
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,159
So you can see that in that column again

689
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:53,120
you we have that halfyear of payments

690
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,000
and then it's interest only of about

691
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,760
$530,000

692
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,720
for six years while we get through the

693
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960
remainder of the high water mark on the

694
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,679
existing debt. And then you can see we

695
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,919
go to level debt service of about

696
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:09,679
$940,000

697
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:12,399
for the 19 years after that. So, this

698
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:14,559
approach would save the city about

699
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,399
$400,000 per year in property tax

700
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:20,799
supported debt. Do you need to do this?

701
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,320
No, of course not. You could do level

702
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,159
debt service just like we're

703
00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:26,320
contemplating on the utility revenue and

704
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,279
the franchise fee side. But again, it

705
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:30,799
seems to me that when you're balancing

706
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,640
all of your competing priorities for the

707
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960
property tax dollars, this is a

708
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,799
relatively modest um amount of shaping

709
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,200
and uh achieving some near-term

710
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,120
affordability that could really make a

711
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,279
difference for the city and for your

712
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,159
future property tax levies and and tax

713
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,039
rates over the next five to six years.

714
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:52,480
But of course, that's ultimately your

715
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,000
decision.

716
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,600
So then when you put all these together,

717
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,520
you can see how the debt service um is

718
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,240
about $2.1 million for the first six

719
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,760
years and then stabilizes at around $2.5

720
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,600
million

721
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,240
uh after that. Again, assuming no

722
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960
refinancings or early payments of the

723
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,559
bonds.

724
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,720
Now, let's just focus for a second then

725
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,520
on the property tax supported debt. You

726
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,600
can see I've replicated that column um

727
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,080
uh from the left hand side on the right

728
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,559
hand side for what that part of the debt

729
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,120
might look like. And then I've layered

730
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,279
on also your existing bond payments that

731
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,679
are paid from property taxes. Right? So

732
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:38,000
right now you're at again sort of a high

733
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,279
watermark of 3 million 3.1 million but

734
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,279
then in 2034 that drops by about half

735
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,960
right to 1.6 6 million and then down to

736
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,480
$400,000

737
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,360
after that. Pretty small amount that's

738
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,720
paid from property taxes. So if you look

739
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,200
at both the new property tax supported

740
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760
debt and the old debt together, you can

741
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,039
see that that still ratchets down pretty

742
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,919
rapidly over time, even with the new

743
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,840
debt for the public works facility

744
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,760
added.

745
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,240
And if we go to the next slide, you can

746
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,120
see in a stacked bar chart, the orange

747
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,760
bars are your existing debt payments on

748
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,240
existing bonds. You can see how those

749
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,919
fall off in 20 after 2033

750
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:28,720
and then again after 2034.

751
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,039
So if we did interestonly payments for

752
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,480
six years and then started level debt

753
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,480
service, you would still have a lot of

754
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,399
capacity again for future capital

755
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,799
projects or operating priorities of the

756
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:46,640
city. Or like I noted a few minutes ago,

757
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,240
if you decided, gee, we would really

758
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,320
like to pay that off sooner. We don't

759
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,120
think we'll need all of that capacity

760
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,600
opened up um for other projects or other

761
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,399
priorities. You could certainly

762
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:01,679
reduce the overall interest cost and and

763
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:04,080
have some of that um principle paid off

764
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,679
faster.

765
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,039
But again, it's all about striking

766
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,840
balances, right, between efficiency and

767
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640
affordability and knowing that you have

768
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,480
a lot of things you'll want to be

769
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,320
investing in here in the city of Forest

770
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Lake uh in the coming years.

771
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,880
So, in conclusion, but again, this is

772
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,640
really just another chapter in the

773
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,039
conversation. I want to stress you

774
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,960
really do have unlimited options for how

775
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,440
you structure this debt and how you

776
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,399
repay the bonds. Uh you're in a very

777
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,720
good position with your credit rating.

778
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,640
You know that you've got strong fund

779
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,640
balances. Um you are not maxed out, if

780
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,039
you will, in terms of your existing debt

781
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,840
or your ability to use taxes or to use

782
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,919
franchise fees or to use utility

783
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:52,320
revenues. It's really about striking the

784
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,799
right balance between the three that you

785
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,519
feel is affordable for your community

786
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,159
and still preserves capacity to do other

787
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,159
things besides build this public works

788
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:03,679
facility.

789
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:05,679
So given all of that, again, we think

790
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:09,520
that basically a a pie cut in thirds

791
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,079
might be an appropriate way to tackle

792
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,639
this $35 million cost and that we would

793
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,200
recommend some shaping of the debt on

794
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,599
the property tax side. Again, to take

795
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,119
advantage of that fall-off in your tax

796
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,919
supported debt and then level debt

797
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:29,679
service on the franchise fee and the

798
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,240
utility revenue side. And from our

799
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,000
perspective, that strikes an a

800
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,280
reasonable and appropriate balance

801
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,200
between again efficiency, trying to get

802
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,280
that debt paid off as efficiently as

803
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,000
possible, but also affordability and

804
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,919
preserving capacity to do other things

805
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:46,720
in the community as well.

806
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:50,079
So, that's what we've got and I'd be

807
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,599
happy to entertain uh questions or fire

808
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,200
up my laptop, Mr. Mayor. Whatever you

809
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,320
want to do.

810
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,119
>> Questions.

811
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,760
Um, [clears throat] Bruce, a couple

812
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,119
questions. Um, the mayor asked about uh,

813
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,040
you know, obviously commercial

814
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,359
properties and and things like that, you

815
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:11,280
know, let's just say million, 2 million,

816
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,359
whatever it might be. Um, when I look at

817
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,160
the prices that we've used in here for

818
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,599
house cost, um, they seem low to me. And

819
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,000
so, I would like to see some pricing on

820
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,560
not only $600,000

821
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,720
house prices, but million-dollar house

822
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,920
prices. Um, you know, at 600,000 I look

823
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,400
at this and I go, "Well, that's $370 a

824
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,599
year. That's less than a little over $30

825
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,480
a month. It's a little over a dollar a

826
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,520
day. Sounds great,

827
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,040
you know, and I would be all for that,

828
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,640
but I'd like to see some of the higher

829
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,990
prices as well."

830
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160
» Any other questions?

831
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Uh so [clears throat] what if we did

832
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,720
this third a third a third do you have

833
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,440
the numbers of what percentage increase

834
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,160
would have to be on franchise fees to

835
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,960
keep the million dollars plus for roads

836
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,119
and the sewer and water? You you alluded

837
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:08,960
to an 80% increase if we were going

838
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,839
fully on on franchise fees or the other,

839
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:13,520
you know, the utility funds, right?

840
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,640
>> Um would you have a a number there if it

841
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560
is this third third? Yeah, it it's

842
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:26,720
actually um I I didn't put this in the um PowerPoint. Um uh but it's it's

843
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,720
actually pretty um u

844
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,960
intuitive in that remember before we

845
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,760
were looking at $2.4 million going just

846
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,440
on the franchise fee. Just use that

847
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,920
example. And now we're looking at about

848
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,440
a third of that, but all the other

849
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,599
assumptions staying the same. So instead

850
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:47,680
of an 80% and an 80% you're looking at

851
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,839
roughly a 25% and a 25% or whatever you

852
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:53,680
want to however you want to massage

853
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920
that. We might since you had a

854
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,160
relatively large increase this year for

855
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,480
2026, you might say let's take a little

856
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,000
bit of a breather for 27, maybe not do

857
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,200
as much, but then more again in 2028,

858
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,880
but it' be basically a 50 to 60%

859
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,079
increase overall between the two years

860
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:18,000
as opposed to 160 plus percent. Then

861
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,280
after two years then does that keep in

862
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,079
its I mean maybe our normal 3% or

863
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,839
whatever that we just kind of built in

864
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:26,480
it for

865
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,599
>> Yeah. Or you could take a holiday and

866
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,760
say okay we don't we're going to hold it

867
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,920
steady for a little while and Yes.

868
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Exactly. But at that point and actually

869
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,119
those numbers are a little high. I think

870
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,520
those numbers actually generated enough

871
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,480
to fund a little bit closer to $1.2 $2

872
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,599
million a year for road projects. So I

873
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,359
would say that Mr. Mayor, you could say

874
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:53,839
25% and 25% would be a reasonable

875
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,800
assumption on what it would take just to

876
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,760
get this debt service done at a third u

877
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,440
going on the franchise fee.

878
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,200
>> Okay. And then could you go back to the

879
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,280
slide where it shows the debt service

880
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,240
falling off?

881
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,800
>> Yeah. Um, and I don't know without Ellie

882
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,160
being here who would have the answer to

883
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,160
this, but and maybe you do, Bruce. You

884
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480
know, we had a presentation last at a

885
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,320
workshop last week where we had three

886
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,160
big road projects and each of them

887
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,720
contemplated bonding. That's not worked

888
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,320
into this here, I would assume.

889
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:22,800
>> No.

890
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,440
>> Okay.

891
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,480
>> No. So, great point, Mr. Mayor. Um

892
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,040
that certainly could be a next step and

893
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,480
would be very easy for us to do uh in

894
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,240
terms of

895
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,920
use putting in some assumptions. So you

896
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,920
got your orange bars, these blue bars

897
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,560
and then maybe some green bars for these

898
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680
future road projects and what that could

899
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,079
how much of that capacity could be eaten

900
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,640
up and by capacity I mean the white

901
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,400
space right there in the chart. Um, how

902
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,400
much of that would be eaten up by future

903
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,599
road projects? Yeah,

904
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,040
>> I think that would be good if council

905
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,040
would agree just because it it gives us

906
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,800
a we know we have to do the at least

907
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,280
those three and likely more. Um, it

908
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,280
would be just nice to have that baked in

909
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,960
here. So, we're really looking at true

910
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,200
numbers for the next 30 years here, 25

911
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,640
years on what that might look like. Um

912
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,480
and then um

913
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,599
there was one other thing you said

914
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,000
before that I was going to ask about if

915
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,280
we can um on these 20 you know just

916
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,760
harder numbers maybe on that 25% and

917
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,000
what that would look like um for the

918
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,119
increases like to a dollar amount

919
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,560
>> um would be helpful I think as as well

920
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,720
>> um the utility increases. So I think in

921
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,880
the original

922
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,800
planning for this, the water and sewer

923
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,920
funds, enterprise funds were going to

924
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,000
cover maybe as much as 50%.

925
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,320
>> Right?

926
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,359
>> And we had baked into that 10-year plan

927
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:50,800
some rate increases that would

928
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,880
accommodate that to some degree

929
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
to cover a third based on current,

930
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,560
you know, higher priced facility than

931
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,720
was originally planned. What do those

932
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:03,920
rate increases look like on the

933
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,160
enterprise fund side?

934
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,240
Uh,

935
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,880
Council Member Ericson, I'm not sure I

936
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160
know what the estimated cost of the

937
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,680
project was for those most recent rate

938
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,800
increases. So when we ran our numbers

939
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,680
here for if we did 100% on the utility

940
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,800
fund,

941
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,760
>> we were assuming 35

942
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,160
million um and it was going to be

943
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,200
about about a 40% increase on the sewer

944
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,760
rates and about a 20% increase on the

945
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,760
water rates based on that roughly 3/4

946
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,800
one quarter split. But I think when

947
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,440
those numbers were done,

948
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,599
well, I guess I I would have to ask

949
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,240
staff exactly what assumptions were used

950
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,680
there on those rate increases.

951
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,359
>> Yeah. I mean, I think the original in

952
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:57,760
the 10ear plan, this project was like

953
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,040
$20 million project.

954
00:40:59,040 --> 00:40:59,520
>> Okay.

955
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,119
>> And so water and sewer is basically

956
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,200
covering 10 million. So I suppose we're

957
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,400
probably right there. And

958
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,839
>> it's probably about a wash.

959
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:06,720
>> Yeah, sounds like

960
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,119
>> Yeah. I Is everyone understanding? I

961
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,040
think we're even though it's a higher

962
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,680
cost, it's a lower percentage and so

963
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,200
you're probably going to be about in the

964
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,319
same ballpark just intuitively that

965
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:19,760
makes sense.

966
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680
But certainly we could drill down

967
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680
further in updating that 10-year

968
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,880
projection and say yeah if it's a third

969
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,119
of 35 million and if we

970
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,280
however you want to split it up between

971
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,599
water and sewer but there again I think

972
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,560
it would be helpful maybe to talk about

973
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,240
what are some of the specific projects

974
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:44,000
that you've got in the offing as well on

975
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,119
the water and sewer side.

976
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:50,319
I don't want this to sort of, you know,

977
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:53,359
get in the way of you deciding on

978
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:54,720
whether and how to move forward with

979
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,640
next steps, but I would absolutely uh

980
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,480
encourage us having that continued

981
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,760
conversation as to what some of those

982
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,920
specific dollar amounts might be. Yeah,

983
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,280
I think that 10 year plan and

984
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,560
contemplated some of the upcoming

985
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,160
projects that you know they know they

986
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,079
have, but also covering this, I think

987
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:15,760
those water and sewer rates might

988
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640
actually be kind of on par or planned

989
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,240
rate increases would be on par with what

990
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,200
we're talking about tonight.

991
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,319
>> Great.

992
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:26,870
>> One other question. Um,

993
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,960
the city maintains some level of

994
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,040
investment assets for

995
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,800
>> unplanned emergencies and natural

996
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,839
disasters. Um, is it been contemplated

997
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,079
at all to buy this bond down by using

998
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,839
any of those available resources?

999
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:45,440
We have not run scenarios with that

1000
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,680
assumption. Uh, we certainly could and

1001
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,319
many cities do that, especially if some

1002
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,119
of that is really contemplated for

1003
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,400
capital projects. Um, part of your very

1004
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,079
strong credit rating is based on the

1005
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,040
fact that you have strong reserves for a

1006
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
rainy day. So, we wouldn't want to draw

1007
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,400
too much of that cash down. Also, you're

1008
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,160
still earning a very good interest rate

1009
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,280
on those investments. And, uh, you would

1010
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,280
probably be bonding

1011
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,880
well, the bond rate if you went out the

1012
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,400
full 25 years might be a little bit

1013
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,880
higher than what Ellie can invest at in

1014
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,040
today's market. But um you know there

1015
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,720
again it's it's sort of a balancing act.

1016
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,520
How much cash can you reasonably give up

1017
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,079
in order to increase affordability

1018
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:33,680
but knowing that you'll also be

1019
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,839
foregoing investment earnings and that

1020
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:38,079
could have uh ramifications for your

1021
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,359
budget as well. But yes, uh we could

1022
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:44,800
absolutely run scenarios assuming

1023
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,720
uh whether it's two million or five

1024
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,640
million of cash or whatever it might be

1025
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,280
to buy down that $35 million bonding

1026
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,160
amount.

1027
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,599
>> The other alternative to using any of

1028
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,520
that cash, my understanding is that the

1029
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,599
majority of that those earnings are

1030
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,480
simply reinvested. Correct. Verse I mean

1031
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,040
could could any of those earnings be

1032
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,359
used to cover some of the debt service

1033
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,040
>> 100%.

1034
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,680
>> Be another

1035
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,520
>> Yeah. to look at it.

1036
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,880
>> And the nice thing about investment

1037
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,839
earnings is they are really eligible to

1038
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,319
be used in any

1039
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:17,920
but for any corporate purpose of the

1040
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,960
city.

1041
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,640
>> So you could apply those to debt

1042
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,880
service, you could apply those to any

1043
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,800
number of things.

1044
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,920
>> Yeah,

1045
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,240
>> I I like I like that idea. I think you

1046
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,599
know you use [clears throat] those

1047
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,119
investment funds for a major situation

1048
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,480
or natural disaster. This is a major

1049
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,400
deal. we in badly need of a public works

1050
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,079
facility, which we've underbudgeted.

1051
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,640
It's not knowing what the that building

1052
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,040
market has done. And so I I think it

1053
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,520
justifies using some of those to to

1054
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,160
bring that bond down or that buy buy

1055
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,400
some debt down for sure.

1056
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,240
>> And one thing I'll mention, Mr. mayor,

1057
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,880
council members, um you've got a great

1058
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,440
finance team and a great interim city

1059
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,640
administrator. Um who are on top of

1060
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,680
these things, but we can also help maybe

1061
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,079
take a look at your reserve levels and

1062
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,520
not that you know our word at Ellers is is gospel or anything, but if there's

1063
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
an interest in in in gauging how much is

1064
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,119
really appropriate for a rainy day, we

1065
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,599
could fold that into

1066
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,480
later discussions as well. Just to backs

1067
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,240
stop, if you do make a decision, I'm

1068
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,480
just pulling out $5 million because 35

1069
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,119
minus 5 is a nice round 30. But if you

1070
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:36,079
did want to use $5 million,

1071
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,000
um you might like having some

1072
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,480
backstopping from somebody like Eller

1073
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,319
saying, "Yeah, this is really reasonable

1074
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:45,440
based on your cash flows and you getting

1075
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,319
property taxes from Washington County,

1076
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:49,839
you know, twice a year and all that kind

1077
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:54,390
of stuff.

1078
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,720
uh joy enough direction probably to come

1079
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,079
back with some more things

1080
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,200
>> I think so I've got quite yeah no it was

1081
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,960
a good conversation I'm glad I

1082
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,119
appreciate everyone's input on that

1083
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:06,079
>> u so thank you

1084
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,440
>> yeah you're welcome

1085
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,079
>> and we really appreciate these

1086
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,079
conversations and whatever else we can

1087
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,280
provide to help um build the business

1088
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,960
case for moving forward on what seems to

1089
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,960
be an important project for the city so

1090
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,520
thank you

1091
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,870
>> thanks All

1092
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,079
right, we'll go to 8B Hidden Creek Third

1093
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:34,069
Edition Easement Vacation. Abby,

1094
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,040
» thank you, Mr. Mayor,

1095
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,359
members of the council. Just give me a

1096
00:46:39,359 --> 00:47:01,510
second here.

1097
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:32,150
Never gets old.

1098
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,200
All right. Tonight for your

1099
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,200
consideration is uh Hidden Creek uh

1100
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,760
third editions easement vacation. So

1101
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
tonight also on the agenda is

1102
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,319
consideration of a final plat for Hidden

1103
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:47,440
Creek uh fourth edition. That fourth

1104
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,000
edition plat is going to go down in an

1105
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,640
area right where we have an easement for

1106
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,400
a temporary culde-sac that was

1107
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,480
associated with the third edition plat.

1108
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,800
So where the roadway is coming down Elie

1109
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,119
I think it's Elie Avenue.

1110
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,119
Thank you. Uh we have a temporary

1111
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,079
culde-sac tonight. The consideration is

1112
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,760
removing vacating that easement for that

1113
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,960
uh public culde-sac. Um, and then what

1114
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,280
will happen is if so, should you choose

1115
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,040
to approve the final plat, the final

1116
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,839
plat will go over then where that

1117
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:22,240
temporary culde-sac was replacing it

1118
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,079
extending Ele Avenue. And as part of

1119
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:25,760
those conditional approvals, we'd also

1120
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
look to get a new easement at the south

1121
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,319
end of Elely Avenue in the future. Um,

1122
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:36,160
so moving the the black circle away to

1123
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,680
move that line down at the next

1124
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,960
application that you're going to listen

1125
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,400
to. Um,

1126
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,319
you have to hold a public hearing on

1127
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,480
easement vacations. That's a statutory

1128
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960
requirement. Uh, the purpose really is

1129
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,640
to look to see that there's no public

1130
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,200
purpose for this public infrastructure

1131
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,079
at any point anymore. So, tonight staff

1132
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:57,760
is asking you to open the public

1133
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,240
hearing, receive any public testimony,

1134
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,040
and then close the public hearing. I

1135
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,839
will note that street vacations or

1136
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:08,079
vacations do require four fifths vote of

1137
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,839
the council. Tonight for your

1138
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:13,200
consideration though, staff has um asked

1139
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,359
or has drafted a resolution resolution

1140
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:18,014
number 082426

1141
00:49:18,014 --> 00:49:21,440
[clears throat] that would uh take um

1142
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,359
that would vacate the ele. So there is a

1143
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,520
draft motion here for you. A motion to

1144
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,480
adopt resolution 08242602

1145
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,400
vacating the temporary culde-sac access

1146
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,640
seizement recorded as Washington County

1147
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,710
document number 4474823.

1148
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,520
You have any questions for me?

1149
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,280
>> No. All right. With that [clears throat]

1150
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,640
at 6:50 we'll open up public hearing on

1151
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,760
the vacation of the temporary culde-sac

1152
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,040
access. Uh

1153
00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:00,630
anyone here to speak to that?

1154
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Anyone last time here to speak to the

1155
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,160
vacation of the culde-sac access?

1156
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,319
Seeing no one else at 6:51, we'll close

1157
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:13,599
the public hearing and bring it back to

1158
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,359
council.

1159
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:17,119
Great.

1160
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,520
Want to make a motion?

1161
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,880
Um, I'll make a motion to adopt

1162
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,440
resolution number 08242602

1163
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,440
vacating the temporary culde-sac access

1164
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:26,960
easement recorded as Washington County

1165
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,109
document number 4474823.

1166
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:33,440
» I'll second motion a second. Any further

1167
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,119
discussion?

1168
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:36,480
>> All in favor?

1169
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,319
>> I opposed. Motion carries.

1170
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,160
>> Okay, we'll move on to Hidden Creek

1171
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,880
fourth edition final plat approval.

1172
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,760
Abby,

1173
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,760
>> thank you. Uh, Mayor Roberts, members of

1174
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,800
the council tonight for your

1175
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,960
consideration is the final plat for

1176
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,599
Hidden Creek fourth edition. Um, this

1177
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,280
has been submitted by Headwaters Land

1178
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Group and represents the last remaining

1179
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,520
lots to be developed in the existing

1180
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,760
Hidden Creek neighborhood. As a

1181
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,400
reminder, we have seen concept plans and

1182
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,920
working through the preliminary plat

1183
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,920
process for Hidden Creek South that

1184
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,319
neighborhood and Eley Avenue will scoop

1185
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:12,480
down and move back to the east on Hidden

1186
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,559
Creek. that is separate at this time

1187
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,720
from this development.

1188
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,040
Um, Hidden Creek was originally approved

1189
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,359
with 125 lots. Originally, it was going

1190
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:23,119
to be two phases, kind of an east phase,

1191
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:24,960
west phase. We've broken it out into

1192
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,079
four um, development lots. We're at 18

1193
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,160
remaining lots to be platted for this

1194
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,480
neighborhood.

1195
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,040
So, those lot widths do vary as low as

1196
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,480
44 feet wide, um, but do get as wide as

1197
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,000
126 feet. Uh that is approval as part of

1198
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
the preliminary plat that was approved

1199
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,760
in early 2022 that gave that averaging

1200
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,119
of 70 ft across all 125 lots in the

1201
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,599
neighborhood. Um that access and

1202
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,839
circulation, we just vacated that

1203
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:59,280
existing access uh or that um existing

1204
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,000
culdeac at the south end of Elely. Now

1205
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,160
that that's gone, the plat will extend

1206
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,079
Ele Avenue and as a condition of

1207
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,559
approval, we will need a new access uh

1208
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,040
turnaround access or turnaround

1209
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,960
culde-sac at the south end of this

1210
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,800
development. Um construction uh access

1211
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,040
from Headarters Parkway is something

1212
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,280
that I'll get into in the next slide,

1213
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,760
but the goal here is to try to minimize

1214
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,319
the disruption to the neighborhood as as

1215
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:28,800
it has expanded significantly more since

1216
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,599
the third phase. Public improvements do

1217
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,680
include water sanitary sewer storm,

1218
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,760
sewer streets, um completing of drainage

1219
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,839
trail and park grading work. So all of

1220
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:41,280
that still has to be done with this

1221
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,280
final plat.

1222
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,160
So one area that is of concern for the

1223
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,079
city is construction access of the

1224
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,240
remaining work. So as a reminder, uh

1225
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,160
Hidden Creek as a whole was 125 lots.

1226
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,079
107 lots have been platted and I can't

1227
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,000
say all, but I would say we're probably

1228
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,520
maybe 75% of those 107 lots are built

1229
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,720
out. Um we have had in our development

1230
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,880
agreements requirement for a con

1231
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,960
temporary construction access to the

1232
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,920
south side of Elely Avenue to try to

1233
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,839
funnel some of that development related

1234
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:18,160
work over to the west side of the

1235
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,680
property so we're not snaking through

1236
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,920
the neighborhood. Uh we really want to

1237
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,839
see minimal construction traffic running

1238
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:27,040
through that neighborhood. So what is

1239
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,960
included in your staff report is based

1240
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,559
on a city planning commission

1241
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,040
recommendation that that would remain in

1242
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,880
place and um until the time 85% a new

1243
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,200
home con completion.

1244
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,960
That's different than the current plat.

1245
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,880
essentially says on the

1246
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,359
third phase essentially says hey use

1247
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,680
that access road as much as you can but

1248
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,720
if you're going to drive through that

1249
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,319
neighborhood be cautious and we had

1250
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:54,480
developed a cautious plan. Um that is

1251
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,880
one area just for discussion tonight in

1252
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,359
that the way the access road is lined

1253
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,440
out. It does impede on some of that

1254
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,480
future development through that area. Um

1255
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,480
staff has drafted the resolution based

1256
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,640
on the planning commission's uh

1257
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,480
recommendation though that we would keep

1258
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,839
that in place and require all

1259
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:14,400
construction traffic to use utilize that

1260
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,359
route. Also, before building permitting,

1261
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:19,839
we do need to ensure that all of all the

1262
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:21,680
other public improvements, our roads,

1263
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,000
our sidewalks, our infiltration basins

1264
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,400
are in place. Um, as a reminder, even

1265
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,839
though we talked I talked a minute about

1266
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:30,240
Hidden Creek South, Hidden Creek fourth

1267
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,640
edition does represent the end of this

1268
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,160
development. We want all public

1269
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,680
improvements done before we're going to

1270
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,079
start issuing building permits. And then

1271
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,920
before we close out this development, we

1272
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,280
want to make sure we have work,

1273
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,040
lighting, storm cleaning, record plans,

1274
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,920
punch list, all those teeny housecaping

1275
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,640
items that sometimes can linger in phase

1276
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,800
developments. We want to get it all done

1277
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,680
as part of this development. So tonight

1278
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,680
before you is the consideration of a

1279
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,520
resolution that does encapsulate

1280
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,880
conditions of approval. Um those

1281
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,200
conditions do indicate that we need do

1282
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,400
need to enter into development

1283
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,520
agreement. We will want some financial

1284
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,480
securities including 125% of all the

1285
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,280
incompleted work replacement easement

1286
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,559
that we just talked about in the

1287
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,200
previous application and then finalizing

1288
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,960
all the plans permits easements fees the

1289
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,119
fees including parkland dedication of at

1290
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:27,680
the moment $2500 per lot. Um the

1291
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,920
planning commission's recommendation is

1292
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,480
to move forward with the approval of a

1293
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,559
resolution that did come as a six to

1294
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,240
one. There was one commission member who

1295
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,480
just thought it wasn't quite ready just

1296
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,880
because we have a lot of conditions, but

1297
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,559
that's pretty customary in our

1298
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,319
development that we still have quite a

1299
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:47,359
bit of loose ends to kind of clean up

1300
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,680
before we finalize the bow with the

1301
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,920
development agreement usually. So

1302
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,160
tonight for your consideration uh staff

1303
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,160
would recommend you adopt resolution

1304
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,160
08242603

1305
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,760
and there is a recommended motion up on

1306
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,119
the screen. Um developer Paul Bergamman

1307
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,880
of Headarters Land Group is here if you

1308
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,119
have questions for him. Do you have any

1309
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,950
questions for me?

1310
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:16,230
» Council any questions?

1311
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,400
I didn't know it was so moving. Council

1312
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,920
member Miller

1313
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,240
>> allergies.

1314
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,319
Um, Mr. Ruben, would you like to come up

1315
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:25,920
and

1316
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,109
address the council?

1317
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,880
» Yeah. Mayor, members of city council, um

1318
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,960
could you clarify for me, Abby, on the

1319
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,599
road, this temporary construction access

1320
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:40,720
road,

1321
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,640
>> what is what are you asking for or what

1322
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,119
is

1323
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:44,960
>> the temporary construction access road

1324
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640
as it exists today? Yeah.

1325
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,079
>> To be used until 85% of home completion.

1326
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,359
That is what the planning commission

1327
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:53,119
recommended.

1328
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,079
So not not just the construction of the

1329
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:59,920
18 lots road but the the construction of

1330
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,839
the homes.

1331
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:02,559
>> Correct.

1332
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,359
>> Okay. Um

1333
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:09,200
we can't um we will work and try to

1334
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,520
maintain that uh not try we will work

1335
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,319
and maintain the uh construction access

1336
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,359
road during the construction of the road

1337
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:20,240
but to maintain that road till 85% of

1338
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,319
the homes are constructed which could be

1339
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:24,720
a couple years. What are we doing in the

1340
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,960
middle of the winter? How are we

1341
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,640
maintaining this temporary construction

1342
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,280
road? We have roads there that are built

1343
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,240
to the standards. If they're too narrow,

1344
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,599
why don't we come in through the north

1345
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,480
with our I mean, [clears throat]

1346
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,799
I understand and and we'll do whatever

1347
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:44,960
we can. I think uh Amanda talked to our

1348
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,599
attorney today on this road. During the

1349
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,599
construction, we'll try to limit as much

1350
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,359
impact to the streets as we can through

1351
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:53,040
the neighborhood, but do it during the

1352
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,799
actual home construction. Um,

1353
00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:59,280
then I want you to deny my final plat

1354
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200
because we can't do that. It's just not

1355
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,599
feasible. I that's that's I don't even

1356
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,359
know how we would do it. I mean, you're

1357
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:08,000
asking me to maintain a temporary road

1358
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:15,359
construction for two years or so. So, I I'm not sure what the deal is on that.

1359
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:18,400
Um, I think we resolved the other major

1360
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,200
issue was the pond. Um, that's in

1361
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,160
process and going to be started. Um what

1362
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,520
about where do we sit with the dirt

1363
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,880
pile? Is there any issues that we have

1364
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,640
to talk to on the dirt pile?

1365
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,400
>> I think we can finish that out in final

1366
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,799
grading plan um and through the

1367
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:34,000
development agreement.

1368
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,480
>> So and Amanda, I think you talked to

1369
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,079
Joel.

1370
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,960
Can you help me? And this through the

1371
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,240
construction of the homes um isn't what

1372
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,400
I understood took place with you and

1373
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,240
Joel. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Uh yeah,

1374
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,520
your honor, council, I I think there was

1375
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,839
a misunderstanding then because it the

1376
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:58,319
communication with um Mr. Holstead was

1377
00:58:58,319 --> 00:58:59,599
um [clears throat]

1378
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,359
that your concern was that you would

1379
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:04,000
have to put in a new road and that you

1380
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,920
didn't have a concern about using the

1381
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,200
current road.

1382
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,640
>> I don't. But I don't know how this

1383
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,559
current road can be maintained through

1384
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,400
the winter through the freeze thaw,

1385
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,640
through the rain. I mean, when it's dry,

1386
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,799
you can land a 747 out there. when it's

1387
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,799
wet, you can't ride a bike through it.

1388
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:21,280
So, I don't know. I mean, in order to

1389
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,520
make this road to last two years is a

1390
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,240
huge cost. I mean, it it's I don't even

1391
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,599
get why that's even on the table. I

1392
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:37,040
mean, we've got roads in place that are to the standard or loads uh that

1393
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,440
we're bringing in even for the uh road

1394
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,760
development. I talked to the contractor.

1395
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,839
He thinks there'll be approximately 10

1396
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:46,480
to 12 days of construction traffic on

1397
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,640
the roads. That's including the delivery

1398
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,520
of the pipe, plastic, lightweight pipe,

1399
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,040
some gravel. The main traffic will be

1400
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,920
uh when the twoft base is brought in,

1401
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,400
which will take about 4 days. So,

1402
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,000
there's not a significant amount of

1403
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,960
traffic that's going to be done to to

1404
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,760
develop these 18 lots. But guys, it's

1405
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,000
just not reasonable to ask me to put a a road that I have to maintain for two

1406
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
years.

1407
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,880
>> Abby, uh, did was this this was a new

1408
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,040
condition added on by the planning

1409
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:23,520
commission?

1410
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,640
>> Yeah, the planning commission really

1411
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,240
wanted to memorialize that the

1412
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,680
construction traffic included

1413
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,520
construction traffic associated with the

1414
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,000
construction of new homes. I do concur

1415
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,640
with uh, Mr. Bergamman that that is

1416
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,440
mildly uncustomary. It's not as common

1417
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,680
for cities to do that. I think the

1418
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,920
concern was that we are at the tail end

1419
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,040
of an oversized culde-sac and there are

1420
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,079
just more homes in that vicinity. The

1421
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,640
one thing I will say is that I've

1422
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,599
highlighted the condition that is word

1423
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,839
for word in the resolution. It's on two

1424
01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:58,079
page 257 of the packet that does

1425
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,720
indicate um they shall use the temporary

1426
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,400
access um and it says when weather or

1427
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,319
deterioration makes the temporary access

1428
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:09,040
unsafe or not reasonable possible we

1429
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,440
could also allow for access onto the

1430
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,079
roads. Now I understand that that still

1431
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,480
require would require all construction

1432
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,640
traffic even home building construction

1433
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,880
traffic but we have put at least

1434
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,480
requirements in here that if weather

1435
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,559
becomes a problem and this is not able

1436
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,880
to be used we can authorize something

1437
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,119
differently. What does that look like

1438
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,559
and how do we I mean do does that as a

1439
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,000
change in the condition and that would

1440
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,400
have to come back to the city to staff

1441
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,680
to okay okay we've got three weeks of

1442
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,920
wet [snorts] conditions now you're okay

1443
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,119
to use the city streets.

1444
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,440
>> It gives the engineer after consultation

1445
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,240
with uh public works the authority to

1446
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,559
put it in writing. Um I think it does

1447
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,799
make it a you know a little clunky or

1448
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:56,240
could be subjective. Um I you know I

1449
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,760
think that this is a good talking point

1450
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,839
for the council to see if you concur

1451
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:02,079
with the planning commission's um

1452
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,920
recommendation

1453
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,680
just because I think that that is

1454
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,839
something that um you know definitely

1455
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:12,400
could set a precedent as well if we're

1456
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,240
going to be requiring temporary access

1457
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,480
roads and all development to all

1458
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,960
construction traffic to use them.

1459
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,520
>> I I think for me that the difference

1460
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,359
here you hear about some more of

1461
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:27,440
established neighborhoods, uh, Chestnut

1462
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,200
Creek that has been there for seven,

1463
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,960
eight years and all of a sudden a new

1464
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,520
development or new additions coming and

1465
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,000
you have all this traffic. You know,

1466
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,599
most of those homes are relatively new

1467
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,920
and they've all experienced or been

1468
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,000
benefited from people coming in and

1469
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,200
building into that neighborhood and

1470
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,559
building their homes. So, I think they

1471
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,040
would be more understandable that, hey,

1472
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,640
this is just part of living in a brand

1473
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,280
new development and hopefully this thing

1474
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,160
gets done sooner than later. I I would

1475
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,839
be comfortable with waving that

1476
01:02:55,839 --> 01:03:00,710
requirement on this.

1477
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,559
» I don't know. I think I some of the

1478
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,720
concerns that they've had in the past. I

1479
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,880
don't know if it can change or not uh

1480
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,000
when you're coming through a new

1481
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,280
development or an existing development,

1482
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,079
maybe the school times when kids are

1483
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:15,760
being picked up or anything like that or

1484
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,079
the busier parts of the day. I think

1485
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,520
that's what they're more concerned about

1486
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,680
is the the maybe just day-to-day traffic

1487
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,079
and how that construction traffic might

1488
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,799
interfere with with some of that. I

1489
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:29,760
don't know if there's a way to work

1490
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,599
around any of that. I think that seemed

1491
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,920
to be one of their big concerns in the

1492
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,440
past.

1493
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,960
>> Abby, in your presentation, you talked

1494
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,200
about a safety plan that's been used on

1495
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,880
the other ones. Like that's worked out

1496
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,000
well, has it? During the third phase, um

1497
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,440
the way the condition of approval and it

1498
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,039
was embedded into the development

1499
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,119
agreement, if I remember right, Amanda

1500
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,599
could correct me if I was wrong, is it

1501
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:55,119
was it just said all construction,

1502
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:56,319
traffic, and delivery shall use the

1503
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,720
temporary access from Headwaters Parkway

1504
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,559
to the greatest extent possible. In the

1505
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,400
event it cannot be used, a safety plan

1506
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,920
would be implemented. and they

1507
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,240
supplemented with a separate safety plan

1508
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,680
that included signage of trucks hauling

1509
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,240
no not to exceed a certain mile per hour

1510
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,359
daily safety meetings. Um, we re also

1511
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:18,960
required a similar safety plan for you

1512
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,480
brought up Chestnut Creek. Again, an

1513
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,640
established neighborhood, Havenwood, you

1514
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,599
know, kind of in the middle um in that

1515
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:26,799
neighborhood a little bit different

1516
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:29,599
where they're going to um coordinate, if

1517
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,599
I remember correctly, and please don't

1518
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,520
quote me on this one, that there was

1519
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,280
some concern specifically about school

1520
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,760
bus pickup and drop off times and to

1521
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,799
coordinate um a lag during those, you

1522
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:43,920
know, very kind of limited windows.

1523
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,119
um you know so it's up those both of

1524
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,280
those safety plans staff worked through

1525
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,440
with the developer.

1526
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,599
I would say that if the council is not

1527
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,799
favorable to condition number 12 then um

1528
01:04:56,799 --> 01:04:59,039
possibly it's a motion to approve the

1529
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,760
resolution with amendment to number 12

1530
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,599
consistent with past development

1531
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,799
practices for Hidden Creek um which

1532
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:08,480
would then revert back to what we've

1533
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,839
currently been doing in the

1534
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:12,000
neighborhood.

1535
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,000
The only What I would say is we probably

1536
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,640
would want to amend it slightly that the

1537
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,160
access road is uh removed and the site

1538
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,839
is restored

1539
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:24,319
upon prior to completion of the

1540
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:26,240
neighborhood.

1541
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,280
>> I can type that.

1542
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:29,920
>> Go ahead, Paul.

1543
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,240
>> I'll do that. It's not an important

1544
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,520
whenever you want the road removed,

1545
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,520
we'll do that. I didn't understand

1546
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,119
exactly, but it doesn't matter. It's

1547
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:38,880
insignificant.

1548
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:39,359
>> I think

1549
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:41,119
>> when she wants us to remove the road, we

1550
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:49,520
will. Yeah. Any other questions, concerns, thoughts?

1551
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,359
>> Yeah, I'm in agreement. I think that,

1552
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:55,760
you know, number I guess number 12, it's

1553
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,400
calling for 16 homes to be done and

1554
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,920
certificates

1555
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,240
to be held before this road is vacated

1556
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:10,549
is a little bit over the top.

1557
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,000
You're typing something else for

1558
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:12,559
potential.

1559
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:13,520
>> Typing it up really quickly.

1560
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,079
>> Yep.

1561
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:26,365
>> Thank you for that.

1562
01:06:26,375 --> 01:06:34,870
» [cough and clears throat]

1563
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,480
» Paul, things came to continue to move

1564
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,520
out there. Good sales are great. Ahead

1565
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,160
of schedule.

1566
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,920
>> The builder called me tonight wanting to

1567
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,200
make sure that we got these lots

1568
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,880
approved. It's going so well.

1569
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:45,280
>> Good.

1570
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,799
>> And he's pushing us to keep going on the

1571
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:49,599
south. So,

1572
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:50,319
>> it's good.

1573
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:51,440
>> Yeah.

1574
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,839
>> It's a little choppy. Um but I added in

1575
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:55,680
there that with amendment to condition

1576
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,680
12 be identical to Hidden Creek third

1577
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,920
edition and road is removed and restored

1578
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,559
prior to development completion. A

1579
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,920
temporary access road that might be a

1580
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,480
instead of calling it road. Trying to be

1581
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:19,910
a little bit more specific.

1582
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,950
Any

1583
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,000
other questions for me?

1584
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,440
>> I don't think so. Council does.

1585
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,000
>> Thank you.

1586
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,150
>> Yeah.

1587
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,000
» Could I make a friendly amendment to the

1588
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,440
motion? Can we move the word identical?

1589
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,760
Technically, we want it to be similar to

1590
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,480
>> similar, but because we're going to

1591
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,701
requiring that they restore

1592
01:07:41,701 --> 01:07:42,640
[clears throat] the road and I'm going

1593
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,079
to tie that to the letter of credit. In

1594
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:45,680
other words, they don't get the re

1595
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,599
letter of credit release until that road

1596
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,680
is gone. So, I want the ability to put

1597
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,160
in a little bit of teeth, please.

1598
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,039
>> Yeah, absolutely.

1599
01:07:53,039 --> 01:08:08,069
>> Thanks. I'll pull this up for you then.

1600
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:11,440
» All right. Who's going to make a motion

1601
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,520
on this?

1602
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,199
>> I'll give it a shot. How's that sound?

1603
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:19,600
I'll make a motion to adopt resolution

1604
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,910
number 0824-26-03

1605
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,679
conditionally approving the Hidden Creek

1606
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:29,279
fourth additional edition final plat

1607
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,430
case number J26-0446

1608
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:35,120
based on the findings of fact and

1609
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,520
subject to the conditions contained in

1610
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,759
the resolution.

1611
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:41,359
This may be amended by the council with

1612
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,520
the amendment to the condition number 12

1613
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,839
be similar to the hidden creek third

1614
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,640
edition and temporary access road is

1615
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,400
removed and restored prior to

1616
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,600
development and completion.

1617
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,759
All right motion. Do we have a second?

1618
01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:56,640
>> I'll second.

1619
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,759
>> All right. Any further discussion?

1620
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:01,120
All in favor?

1621
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:08,390
>> I opposed. Motion carries. Thanks, Paul.

1622
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,759
» All right. eight D parkland dedication

1623
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:17,510
fee study. Abby,

1624
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,839
» thank you. Uh, Mayor Roberts, members of

1625
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:21,839
the council, tonight bringing back for

1626
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:25,120
you another, uh, discussion and seeking

1627
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,880
direction on the Parkland dedication

1628
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,159
study. So, as a reminder, um, feels like

1629
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:35,269
longer ago, but your last meeting,

1630
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,440
uh, you reviewed the Parkland dedication

1631
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:38,960
study, the history of Parkland

1632
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,880
dedication in the city, including those

1633
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,520
historical increases. We talked a little

1634
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,600
bit about the identifying the needs, the

1635
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,159
capital plan. We looked at our

1636
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:51,279
comparable cities and um then the

1637
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,679
recommendation of the study that does

1638
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:55,520
indicate we should be increasing our

1639
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:00,000
parkland dedication fee in lie of 392909

1640
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,719
per residential unit and 896691

1641
01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:08,000
per um acre of non-residential

1642
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,400
development. The council was concerned

1643
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,679
that that 896681

1644
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:15,600
uh per non-residential acre of

1645
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,440
development when compared to our peer

1646
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,000
cities might be a little high and asked

1647
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,840
us to fill in some blanks that staff had. So included in your packet was this

1648
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,760
table which goes through each of those

1649
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,440
cities and kind of helps provide a

1650
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:30,960
little bit more information about the

1651
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,000
non-residential dedication. I included

1652
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,960
in here the percentage um just to give

1653
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,480
you some reference to the city's city of

1654
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,719
Forest Lake is not in proposing to

1655
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:44,719
increase the percentage of

1656
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:47,360
non-residential dedication. We're at 7%

1657
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,199
if I remember correctly. I will double

1658
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:52,400
check that but it's six or 7%. Um so we

1659
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,719
are actually just just slightly above

1660
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:57,280
some cities but below some other cities.

1661
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,600
Then when we look at that acreage, we're

1662
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,520
really looking at those ones that have

1663
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,840
true dollar values associated with them

1664
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,840
as opposed to a fair market value or an

1665
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,880
appraised value. Um, one of the things

1666
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,679
to note is h where we're where how

1667
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,080
they're applying how cities are applying

1668
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,920
that um per acre fee. Some are applying

1669
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,280
it on the total net acres um so it's

1670
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,920
$9,000 for every single acre. Some are

1671
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,600
applying it just on the dedicated area.

1672
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,880
So in uh Rose Mount when we're like holy

1673
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,920
moly Rose Mount is must have a great

1674
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,760
park system at $90,000 an acre that's

1675
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,440
$90,000 an acre on what is dedicated. So

1676
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,520
if they have 10 acres and they require

1677
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,480
10% one acre that's 90,000 in the city

1678
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,159
of Forest Lake if you have a 10acre

1679
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,040
development and it's 60,000

1680
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,239
um excuse me

1681
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,080
math in my head. It's a little hard. A

1682
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,560
10acre development 6% we're going to

1683
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,320
require

1684
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,120
6 acre, right, Amanda? We can do math

1685
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,600
together in our head. We take that times

1686
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,360
our new valuation of almost 9,000. We

1687
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,480
would be at 54. We're under than what we

1688
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,560
thought would be that kind of maybe

1689
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,840
premier um

1690
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,159
uh premier dedication. But that does put

1691
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,600
us in line though again back to where we

1692
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,760
are in pure cities of that total net

1693
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,480
acres of where we're sitting in terms of

1694
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,960
how we're asking for those fees and when

1695
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,320
we're applying them. So included in also

1696
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,880
in your packet tonight for discussion is

1697
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,440
again that same recommendation uh not to

1698
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,800
change from 392909 per residential unit

1699
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,880
or the 896691

1700
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,719
per uh non-residential acre but I did

1701
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:52,000
include in there that analysis of right

1702
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,800
now the 896681

1703
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,880
per non-residential acre is based on one

1704
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,360
half of the residential rate. I did

1705
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,480
include what that would be if it was 45%

1706
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:07,520
of the assumed employee need, 40% of the

1707
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,199
assumed employee need or a third of

1708
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,360
assumed employee need. And the reason I

1709
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,560
did that is for council discussion of um

1710
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,800
you know we can acknowledge that our

1711
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,480
employees that are coming into our

1712
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,040
community during the day are using our

1713
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,440
park system but probably not using it at

1714
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,840
the same level our residents are. what

1715
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,480
is that you know maybe percentage that

1716
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,719
they are using it compared to residents.

1717
01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:33,440
Does that make sense? Right now the

1718
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,360
study [clears throat] assumes half but

1719
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,880
there are some other numbers there to

1720
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,199
kind of if you don't if you still think

1721
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,040
that that's high staff would recommend

1722
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,920
we kind of assume a value so that we can

1723
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,920
still kind of keep the methodology of

1724
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,840
our dedication study consistent.

1725
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,600
So tonight I'm asking you to discuss

1726
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,000
this and provide some direction. I'd

1727
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,159
like to try to get back an ordinance

1728
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,640
amendment to you soon [laughter] to

1729
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,280
modify the parkland dedication fee. Um,

1730
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,040
not only do we have to modify the code,

1731
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,800
but we would also have to modify the fee

1732
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,960
schedule and we would like to get that

1733
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,280
to you in front of you, you know,

1734
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,360
relatively soon, as soon as the council

1735
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,040
is comfortable. Do you have any

1736
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:13,520
questions?

1737
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,800
>> Yeah. Could you go back one slide,

1738
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,920
please? Can you walk me through this?

1739
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,440
So, the non-residential, what do these

1740
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:20,880
percentages mean?

1741
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,120
>> Uh, six. So the non-residential the

1742
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,040
percentage means how much of the land

1743
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,480
area of the development. If you have a

1744
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:31,199
10 acre um development site in Elk River

1745
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,159
6% if it's commercial 6% needs to be

1746
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:35,679
dedicated to the city.

1747
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:38,400
>> So they're dedicating 6% of that

1748
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,520
>> the land [clears throat]

1749
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,440
>> and they're

1750
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,719
paying some dollars in lie of

1751
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:47,040
>> so it's one or the other. So parkland

1752
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,760
dedication is we want land and if we

1753
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,320
don't get land we'd like fee in L. So in

1754
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,640
Elk River it's a commercial development

1755
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,120
they want 6% of the developable land

1756
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,000
area and then if there isn't if that

1757
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,400
isn't suitable parkland they would like

1758
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,360
6% of the county's assessed valuation.

1759
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,000
>> Got it. Okay. So farms and indens is 5%

1760
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,159
of fair market value. Lino it's 10% or

1761
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:15,840
2725 of the total acreage being

1762
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,360
developed. So if it's a 10 acre be

1763
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,560
27,000

1764
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,120
>> correct. So where LO has a lower per

1765
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,239
acreage dollar value they do have one of

1766
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:27,280
the higher land dedication requirements

1767
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,679
for non-residential. Mhm.

1768
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:34,159
>> And so we're

1769
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,719
this whatever dollar we settle on is it

1770
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:39,120
on total net acres?

1771
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,520
>> Ours is on total net acres. Correct.

1772
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,350
>> Okay.

1773
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:55,270
» Thank you. Any other questions?

1774
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,440
» I you know this was good clarification.

1775
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,239
I you know um I think this was good. I

1776
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:05,910
feel comfortable moving forward. Um

1777
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:06,560
» quick question.

1778
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:06,960
>> Yeah.

1779
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,719
>> So you've given us some options here as

1780
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:11,760
far as a third 40 45% or 50%.

1781
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,920
>> Um what are other cities or

1782
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,840
municipalities you

1783
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,239
>> So most cities haven't done this kind of

1784
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,239
a

1785
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:23,520
comprehensive methodology determination.

1786
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,920
We I would say were a little bit more

1787
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,679
groundbreaking. I don't want to say

1788
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:28,960
groundbreaking. I'm sure there's cities

1789
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,800
out there that have done this, but we

1790
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,400
spent some really good time creating

1791
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,400
some methodology to help back the

1792
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,800
numbers to say this is the system. These

1793
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,760
are the needs. This is the dollar value.

1794
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,199
Um so there isn't it isn't as common for

1795
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,840
cities to say, oh, our non-residential

1796
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,880
rate is just half the residential. Um,

1797
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,040
this was staff and our consultants a way

1798
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,040
to kind of say, well, our employees

1799
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,480
probably aren't here as much as

1800
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,400
residents, but we have just as many

1801
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,880
residents leave during the day that

1802
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,920
workers that come in. Maybe our workers

1803
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,440
that are in the community employees that

1804
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,040
are in the community are using the park

1805
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,239
system about a third of what our

1806
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:09,679
residents are using it. Maybe our

1807
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:12,400
residents are using it three hours a day

1808
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,833
and our non-residents are

1809
01:17:14,833 --> 01:17:16,400
[clears throat] using it a third, you

1810
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,199
know, or an hour a day or an hour and a

1811
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:20,719
half a day. You know, that's kind of the

1812
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:24,000
mindset that I'd like to kind of hear

1813
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,960
the council's thoughts on. And

1814
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,280
>> what is our non-residential park

1815
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,360
dedication fee in L of now

1816
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,350
>> 7,000 an acre?

1817
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,920
I mean, I guess personally I I I doubt

1818
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,480
that half of all employees use our park

1819
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:41,920
system. I mean, I think they come, they

1820
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,719
go to work, and they go home. I mean, as

1821
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:46,159
our employees who leave probably do the

1822
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:47,199
same and they come home and take their

1823
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:52,480
kids to the park. Um, so I mean, I'm not sure if I'm in agreement with

1824
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,120
the assumption that half of them are

1825
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,520
using it, but at the same time, I don't

1826
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,960
want us to go backwards. home.

1827
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,640
>> Uh, Commissioner Eric, may I just

1828
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,719
clarify that it's not half the employees

1829
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:05,920
that are using it, it's that the

1830
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,080
employee is using it half the time of a

1831
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,270
resident.

1832
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,360
» So, if an average resident's maybe using

1833
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,600
it two hours a day, an employee is using

1834
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,000
it one, you know, at half one hour a

1835
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,830
day. [clears throat]

1836
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,360
I just wanted to clarify what that

1837
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,920
methodology was.

1838
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,920
>> I can hear though that that might be

1839
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,920
high, which is why staff had included

1840
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:35,669
some other percentages in there.

1841
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:37,360
» So I guess my thought is if we want to

1842
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,120
use this methodology, if we feel like

1843
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,600
this is a good approach, then I would

1844
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,679
probably [clears throat] say, you know,

1845
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:46,159
consider the 40%

1846
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:48,400
to have some level of increase versus

1847
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,199
going back to a third. Um, but I'm not

1848
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:53,040
sure that I'm comfortable going beyond

1849
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,390
that myself.

1850
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,760
Yeah, I I would agree. It's half as much

1851
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,360
uh an employee that comes in who doesn't

1852
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,600
isn't a resident seems a little bit

1853
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,480
high. Um so to to back that down to be a

1854
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:10,080
little bit more realistic and yet still

1855
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:16,560
not go backwards um 45 or 40% I would be

1856
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:28,790
I'd be comfortable with

1857
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,640
And I appreciate the idea of having some

1858
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,600
type of methodology to to justify these

1859
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,840
um these charges.

1860
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,280
>> Yeah. This these aren't arbitrary costs

1861
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,679
that we've had in the past. These are

1862
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,280
this is our system and these are our

1863
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:41,760
needs.

1864
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,120
>> Yeah. And and I think you know it's

1865
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,239
interesting. I think we asked last time,

1866
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,719
what is the feedback on this from

1867
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,960
developers or what is it? Is it too high

1868
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,320
too? And there really sound like there

1869
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,159
wasn't much negative push back or

1870
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:57,120
feedback on

1871
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:57,840
>> No.

1872
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,760
>> For non-residential, we've charged this

1873
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,840
fee for any of our non-residential

1874
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,080
subdivisions, which have been minor

1875
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,760
small since I've been here, but have not

1876
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,360
heard any push back from any of them.

1877
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,159
>> Abby, could I get clarification? So just

1878
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,719
on the residential units, I just want to

1879
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:18,480
be clear. So on a 1 acre piece of land,

1880
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:20,719
if we develop that residential, we get

1881
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:22,239
how many lots out of that approximately

1882
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:24,239
based on our lot sizes today?

1883
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:28,000
>> 3.6.

1884
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,760
>> So let's use 6, but we'll leave that up.

1885
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,600
So $3,929

1886
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,159
per unit times three for an acre

1887
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,280
residential.

1888
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:35,920
>> Correct.

1889
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,640
>> So well over $10,000.

1890
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,560
>> Correct. And yet for a commercial, we're

1891
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,640
only going to charge them $8,900, which

1892
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,239
I've never gotten any push back in all

1893
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,000
the years that, you know, I've worked

1894
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,920
with this stuff. And in terms of

1895
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,679
development, I think those prices are

1896
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:55,520
very fair comparing to our peer cities.

1897
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,040
I mean, wouldn't you based on the

1898
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,560
analysis you did and what you looked at,

1899
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,480
wouldn't you say that's pretty fair?

1900
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,239
>> Yeah, I I mean, I wouldn't have brought

1901
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,840
to you the 89116

1902
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,760
8966

1903
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,320
81 had I not think that it was

1904
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,239
consistent with some of these peer

1905
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,480
cities, especially when we are looking

1906
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,480
at some of the cities that are charging

1907
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:18,719
based on fair market or assessed

1908
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:20,480
valuation, [clears throat] they are

1909
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:23,440
paying a much higher price. Um we're

1910
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:27,920
basing our valuation per acre on our on

1911
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,360
a dollar per square foot. So 43560,

1912
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,000
we know that that number is going to is

1913
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,320
higher in residential and

1914
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,239
non-residential. I would say that we

1915
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:42,000
probably are are have a a lower than

1916
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,560
what's really represented here in terms

1917
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:45,760
of some of these other cities that

1918
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,719
aren't doing a per unit calculation.

1919
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:52,000
>> Right. That's what I meant to say.

1920
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,679
>> Thank you.

1921
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:55,440
>> Now, you make you make a good point,

1922
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,400
Council Member Miller. Are we adopting

1923
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,080
specific numbers or are we adopting a

1924
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,840
policy that's going to cause these

1925
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,440
numbers to change over time?

1926
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,520
>> Uh, well, both. Tonight, staff would

1927
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,400
recommend that you accept the Parkland

1928
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,800
uh dedication study and you and accept

1929
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,600
its methodology and then direct staff to

1930
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,320
draft an ordinance memorializing not

1931
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,120
only it but the new fees. Um we would

1932
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,239
anticipate reviewing these on a fairly

1933
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:24,159
regular basis. you maybe once a year,

1934
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,000
maybe every other year or so as

1935
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,239
development increases, as land prices

1936
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,960
increase um to see if they need to

1937
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,280
increase or even decrease as the

1938
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,440
community becomes developed out. As the

1939
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:38,639
community becomes developed out, our um

1940
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:41,920
land values will will should lower in

1941
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,040
some spots.

1942
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,320
>> So, I guess I would I [clears throat]

1943
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,480
would incorporate into the policy what

1944
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,719
that review rhythm is going to be if

1945
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:52,719
it's annually or bannually for every

1946
01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:55,840
other year, right?

1947
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,679
You want that in the policy.

1948
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:58,719
>> I think [clears throat] it makes sense.

1949
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:00,719
I mean, if you're gonna say you're

1950
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,239
arbitrarily just picking it, it would be

1951
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:03,920
nice to review it every other year or

1952
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,360
something. Could that be added to

1953
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,639
>> Yeah, we can.

1954
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:10,639
>> I I you know, I I understand what

1955
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:11,920
council member Miller what you're

1956
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,400
saying. And I I I just if we're going to

1957
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,239
have a specific methodology, the idea,

1958
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,080
and I I can get over this, the idea that

1959
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,199
a a employee that doesn't live here that

1960
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:22,719
comes to work here eight hours a day or

1961
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:25,760
whatever uses the park as much as half

1962
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,040
of what a resident that's here 365 days

1963
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,800
out of the year. So, um [clears throat]

1964
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,159
maybe I'm thinking wrong, but is

1965
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,400
um non-residential would that be

1966
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,360
considered apartment buildings as well?

1967
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,120
Uh

1968
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,199
that is a great question. Generally

1969
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:47,280
we've applied the residential unit to

1970
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,199
non-residential or two apartment

1971
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,239
buildings even though sometimes they are

1972
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,639
considered a commercial entity. Okay.

1973
01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:56,080
>> But generally we're looking at that

1974
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,040
residential unit. We can clarify that in

1975
01:23:59,040 --> 01:23:59,840
that policy.

1976
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:00,960
>> Yeah. I think it would be good because

1977
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,480
if you build an apartment building that

1978
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,600
has 300 residents, right, they're more

1979
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,520
likely going to use the park than

1980
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,440
someone who has a yard,

1981
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:10,800
>> you know? So, I think that's good

1982
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,159
clarification as well

1983
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:13,600
>> that we would continue to use the

1984
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,880
residential unit for our um apartment

1985
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,600
complex or multif family complex

1986
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,553
>> if the council members agree.

1987
01:24:22,553 --> 01:24:23,120
[clears throat]

1988
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,639
>> Well, those apartment buildings go back

1989
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:26,400
and forth. It seems like depending on

1990
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,840
what policy we're talking about between

1991
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,520
commercial and I mean I know the

1992
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,040
developer of Timber Ridge, you know,

1993
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,960
talked about how big a check he wrote.

1994
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:33,280
>> Yeah.

1995
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:34,639
>> You know, when he built those two phases

1996
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:36,480
and it was the residential was applied

1997
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:38,320
at that point.

1998
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,040
>> If we treat multif family housing as

1999
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,639
commercial.

2000
01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,199
Does that affect the math on this then

2001
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:46,000
in any way?

2002
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,000
>> Probably if you look at about 12,000 an

2003
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,199
acre for residential versus 10,000. I

2004
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:53,040
mean, we were doing easy math there and

2005
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,719
I don't do easy math in my head

2006
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,960
necessarily, but it does look like

2007
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,199
residential would fashion a higher rate

2008
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,000
for multif family. Some cities will have

2009
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,679
a lot of communities have a sliding

2010
01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:06,800
scale for multif family um where they

2011
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,880
will actually increase higher with

2012
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,880
multif family for exactly what council

2013
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,280
member Miller was saying likely uh

2014
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,679
strong users of the park system. Other

2015
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:17,280
communities will actually have that

2016
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,239
lower knowing that they are you know

2017
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:22,639
that there's a larger dedication lump

2018
01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:25,199
sum and to not prohibit development in

2019
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:29,199
that way. Um I specifically we didn't

2020
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,280
propose any sort of methodology that way

2021
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,840
because we kind of we base this per

2022
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,840
resident and our residents per

2023
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,880
household. And so really looking at how

2024
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,960
much each household on average citywide

2025
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,960
would be didn't matter if it was a

2026
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,800
single family or a multif family

2027
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:54,070
apartment or multif family unit

2028
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,440
» and and No push back on these multif

2029
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,800
family because that number gets to be

2030
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,040
large on on that when you're proposing

2031
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:01,920
that fee to

2032
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,480
>> thus far our most recent development was

2033
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:08,080
Forest Creek Estates Forest Creek Forest

2034
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,800
Creek apartment down by uh the library

2035
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,719
that was a $2,500 that was not there was

2036
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:18,480
no question about that. And so um I

2037
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:21,199
don't believe this is a a really

2038
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:22,719
customary

2039
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:25,199
dedication fee or a land dedication or

2040
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:28,400
fee in lie of land dedication. Um I

2041
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,800
think you know it's been challenged

2042
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,920
quite a bit over the years because of

2043
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,440
just

2044
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:37,920
development costs money but that's why

2045
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,920
we really do think it's important to

2046
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,560
adopt a methodology that says this is

2047
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,080
our system. These are our future

2048
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,920
employees and residents. This is how

2049
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,159
much each of these things actually cost

2050
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:53,350
us.

2051
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:57,270
» So what [clears throat]

2052
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,960
I mean I like this discussion. I'm glad

2053
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,400
that we're having a policy discussion

2054
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:01,840
and ultimately you're aligned on some

2055
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,199
numbers. Does it make sense to does

2056
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,120
staff have indigestion with having a

2057
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,880
third

2058
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,840
criteria of there's residential, there's

2059
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,080
multif family, and there's commercial?

2060
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,440
we would need to go back and do

2061
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,840
analysis. What we would end up needing

2062
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,800
to do is breaking out our projected

2063
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,159
units um both multif family and single

2064
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:25,840
family and breaking those out and then

2065
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,320
wanting a percentage. It would take a

2066
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:29,840
little bit more analysis on the

2067
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,320
dedication study. Not like we can't do

2068
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,159
it, but we'd want to figure out what

2069
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,800
that methodology is and fairly good

2070
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,440
support with the comp plan and then, you

2071
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,120
know, plug in the new comp plan when

2072
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,280
it's uh ready. So then that way we're

2073
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,440
don't have again arbitrary numbers.

2074
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:49,040
>> Yeah. I mean I think obviously the

2075
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,000
policy is going to have to inform us and

2076
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,480
future councils and future staff whether

2077
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,400
or not multif family is residential or

2078
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,120
commercial. Um

2079
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,880
kind of feel like it's a standing stand

2080
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,840
on its own entity myself

2081
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:08,310
for this.

2082
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,840
» I wouldn't disagree. I mean it's much

2083
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,040
some extra work. If we're going to do

2084
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,639
this, let's do it right and get it good.

2085
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:19,600
>> Can I make a suggestion that maybe we um

2086
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,679
table this and move it into a workshop

2087
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:24,480
setting? Um I think what I'm hearing is

2088
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:27,600
there's some I think you guys, it sounds

2089
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:28,880
like the council's fairly comfortable

2090
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,440
with the residential unit for a single

2091
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:34,560
family residential, but maybe uncertain

2092
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,199
about applying that to a multif family

2093
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:38,639
unit. I think that there's a difference

2094
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,239
between a multif family rental and a

2095
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:44,159
multif family condo, right? A condo is a

2096
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,560
single family unit. And so I think what

2097
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,320
staff would want to do is really prepare

2098
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,880
some of that. Um, and then again pulling

2099
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,600
our pure cities data so you can see what

2100
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,840
that really looks like. Um, and then

2101
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,360
maybe having just a little bit more of a

2102
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,400
sit down, making sure anything you think

2103
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,840
of between now and maybe mid I was about

2104
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,880
to say August, but August is almost

2105
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,560
over, midepptember. Um, that let me know

2106
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:11,920
and then that way you have good amount

2107
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,840
of information prepared for you so that

2108
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,840
we get the direction and that workshop

2109
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,000
and bring something back thereafter.

2110
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,040
Does that sound good?

2111
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,800
>> Yeah, I appreciate the extra willingness

2112
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,880
to do that extra work. Again, if we're

2113
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,880
going to do this, let's get Make sure

2114
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,239
we're checking all the boxes and have

2115
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:28,480
all the different

2116
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,600
areas covered for different properties

2117
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:32,639
classifications.

2118
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:34,639
>> I like that idea.

2119
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:38,400
>> Do you need a motion to table this item?

2120
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,639
>> Um, sure. If you want

2121
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:42,197
>> moved.

2122
01:29:42,197 --> 01:29:43,040
[laughter]

2123
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:43,520
All right.

2124
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:44,239
>> I'll second it.

2125
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:46,159
>> All right. Motion second. Any further

2126
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:48,400
discussion? All in favor?

2127
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,320
>> I opposed. And we have this tabled.

2128
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:57,520
>> All right. Going into 8 E,

2129
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,320
tobacco license consideration, prime

2130
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,390
tobacco. Amanda,

2131
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,639
good evening, mayor and council members.

2132
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:08,880
The next item before you is a tobacco

2133
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:13,040
license submitted by uh Majid Nati Shune

2134
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,840
for Prime Tobacco proposed to be located

2135
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,840
at 843 West Broadway Avenue, SweetC.

2136
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,679
uh staff has completed its review of the

2137
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,520
application which is generally complete.

2138
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,120
However, the applicant only needs to

2139
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,040
submit his updated certificate of

2140
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,199
insurance for the business. The police

2141
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:31,440
department has completed and cleared the

2142
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:34,639
applicant's background check. Um staff

2143
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:36,400
staff's primary concern for this

2144
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,639
application is the proposed location.

2145
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:40,320
Staff determined that the property is

2146
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,480
located within 500 ft of Bixby Park,

2147
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:45,199
which does not comply with city code uh

2148
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:47,840
chapter 11804.

2149
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,440
Um,

2150
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:51,840
paragraph H,

2151
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,840
a tobacco business did previously

2152
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,080
operate at this location. However, the

2153
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,159
city's tobacco regulations were amended

2154
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:01,280
in 2019 to establish the park buffer

2155
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,440
requirement. The prior business

2156
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:05,679
subsequently became a non-conforming

2157
01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:09,920
use. Under city code chapter 153.051,

2158
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,360
051 paragraph H. A non-conforming use

2159
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,280
expires when has been abandoned for a

2160
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,600
continuous period of one year or more

2161
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,520
because tobacco sales have not operated

2162
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,320
at this location since since 2021

2163
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,080
according to the city's record. The

2164
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,560
previous non-conforming use has expired.

2165
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,719
Accordingly, the proposed business must

2166
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:30,880
comply with the city's current tobacco

2167
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,199
regulations, including the 500 foot

2168
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,280
buffer requirement. Staff are

2169
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:36,639
recommending that council deny the

2170
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:39,120
tobacco license application based on the

2171
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,040
expiration of the non-conforming use

2172
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,560
pursuant to chapter 153.051

2173
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,719
paragraph H and the property's pro

2174
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:49,280
proximity to Bixby Park pursuant to

2175
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,280
chapter 11804

2176
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:55,760
paragraph H. And that concludes um my

2177
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,239
presentation. I'm we are available for

2178
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:07,360
questions.

2179
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:12,159
>> So, is Yeah, I got a question. So, Abby,

2180
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:13,760
you and I have had discussions from an

2181
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,920
EDA standpoint of possibly seeing some

2182
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,000
of this land

2183
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,800
developed that's south of the park. It's

2184
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,400
apparently technically part of the park.

2185
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,760
Is it I mean, is that always been

2186
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,400
parkland or did we just end up with that

2187
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,679
land next to the park and now it's

2188
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:28,400
parkland?

2189
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,159
>> It has always been parkland. It was

2190
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:33,440
actually deed to the city. I do remember

2191
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:38,159
in the 70s by Mind DOT it's uh we're not

2192
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:41,360
exactly I'm not exactly sure why but

2193
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,920
there was a deed uh restriction in place

2194
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,960
that we did reach out to MINDOT last

2195
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,679
year two years ago

2196
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:52,480
um to ask them about the the deed

2197
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,480
restriction um because the deed

2198
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:56,239
restriction said it always needed to m

2199
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:58,000
be maintained as parkland and at that

2200
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,960
time Mindad had said 30 years has lapsed

2201
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,520
uh there's that provision isn't in place

2202
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,480
anymore. I'd have to do some research on

2203
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,679
the why because there was specific of

2204
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:12,320
why it was given to us and given to us

2205
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,639
as parkland and because of the why

2206
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:16,400
that's where the 30-year came into play

2207
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,080
and because that 30-year lapse we don't

2208
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,520
need to anymore.

2209
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:23,760
>> Um so, uh long story short, yes, it is

2210
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,719
currently still parkland. Um it's never

2211
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:28,400
been officially discussed between the

2212
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,880
council and the EDA about removing it

2213
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,840
from the parks system um and then

2214
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,760
starting to look at development options,

2215
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,440
but it is one of those parcels that have

2216
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:39,600
been preliminarily identified as the

2217
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,800
opportunity for EDA um in a you know, we

2218
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,480
talked about a vacant building or vacant

2219
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:46,560
lands analysis for potential

2220
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,040
redevelopment or sale, but this time no

2221
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,040
one has it's still sitting in the park

2222
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,840
system.

2223
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,800
I mean, I suspect looking at the map, if

2224
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,639
that lower section looks like a little

2225
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:01,199
handle wasn't part of the park system,

2226
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,440
then this would would have been on the

2227
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:04,960
consent agenda, right? I mean, it's got

2228
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,000
to be over 500 feet, isn't it?

2229
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,480
>> I I believe when when you look, Mr. Mr.

2230
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:12,639
Mayor, members of council, at where the

2231
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:16,320
actual park amenities are, it is

2232
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,760
substantially further than what the

2233
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,679
property line to property line analysis

2234
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:24,560
is right now. Um, I can certainly pull

2235
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,520
up GIS and do a quick measurement to see

2236
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,679
if it is within that 500 ft. However, um

2237
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:33,760
right now based on conversations that

2238
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,639
we've had with legal, even though the

2239
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:40,880
park amenities are further from the

2240
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,840
proposed location, it doesn't resolve

2241
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,600
the issue that we have with the language

2242
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:50,790
in the code this time.

2243
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,159
» Well, looks like we have some things to

2244
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:53,600
clean up.

2245
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,760
>> Mr. Mayor, members, council, just a

2246
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,639
little bit of context. Um I did some,

2247
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:05,120
you know, looking back at the 2019 ordinance amendment that was

2248
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,000
brought forward. And there were quite a

2249
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,480
few provisions within our tobacco

2250
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,400
chapter that were were changed at that

2251
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,400
time. And it seemed like the precipice

2252
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,920
for this was um really that was the time

2253
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,280
where the state approved cities moving

2254
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,159
from an 18year

2255
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:27,280
um requirement for tobacco sales opening

2256
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,800
it up to 21 you know changing that that

2257
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,000
um that age requirement and that was

2258
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,760
kind of the precipice from what I can

2259
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,760
see based on meeting meeting minutes and

2260
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:41,920
staff reports to kind of facilitate that

2261
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,159
change And at that same time they

2262
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:47,679
included that 500 foot requirement to

2263
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:50,320
make that consistent with what the

2264
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,440
requirement is for liquor licenses.

2265
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:56,159
Um I don't see that there was any

2266
01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:01,040
consideration given to businesses uh

2267
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,440
which may be along Lake Street in our

2268
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:06,239
downtown district um because Lakeside

2269
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:08,239
Park is right there as well. So this

2270
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:10,719
could potentially impact businesses who

2271
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:13,520
are looking open up in that area of the

2272
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:17,520
city as well. Um, I think a a reasonable

2273
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,840
option might be that council might want

2274
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:21,360
to

2275
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,920
um direct staff to bring back a

2276
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,760
potential ordinance amendment which

2277
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,880
allows some consideration for businesses

2278
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,600
along that Broadway corridor and our

2279
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:35,600
Lake Street corridor because

2280
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,600
we don't want to stifle business in that

2281
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,360
area. Um, but staff's hands are really

2282
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,840
tied in this situation with that 500

2283
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,159
foot requirement in these areas. Um, so

2284
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:49,760
if that's something council's interested

2285
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,760
in doing, we can certainly look at that.

2286
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,560
I I know I had heard previously from a

2287
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,320
couple council members that there's

2288
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,560
concerns that we have a lot of

2289
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,239
standalone tobacco shops [snorts] in

2290
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:04,320
town as well. Um, so, you know, this

2291
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,639
might be an opportunity to not only look

2292
01:37:06,639 --> 01:37:09,360
at that distance requ maybe make it more

2293
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,159
businessfriendly, but also perhaps look

2294
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:15,119
at putting a cap on those tobacco

2295
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:18,080
standalone shops, not to include the

2296
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,960
current application. So, our existing

2297
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,600
amount of tobacco standalone shops plus

2298
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,280
this one because we wouldn't want to

2299
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,159
negatively impact this business um

2300
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:29,600
because we're working through these

2301
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,119
things as they're coming to staff's

2302
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:34,709
attention.

2303
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:37,199
» I have a question. Um Jolene, maybe you

2304
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:40,080
could answer this. Um, recently, you

2305
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,560
know, we've had some changes in in the

2306
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,719
state with dispensaries.

2307
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:47,760
What did I know we determined distances

2308
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,840
for our dispensaries from uh public

2309
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,239
buildings and things like that. What was

2310
01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:59,590
that distance? Do you recall?

2311
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:00,800
» It was the same.

2312
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,278
>> Yeah.

2313
01:38:03,278 --> 01:38:05,750
[clears throat]

2314
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,760
» So, I As far as opening

2315
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,920
up that that ordinance and changing the the distance, I'm open to that. I

2316
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,960
think in this particular case here um

2317
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,800
because of the layout of the park that

2318
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,920
council member Ericson mentioned the

2319
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,600
fact that there was an existing business

2320
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,199
here at one time operating a tobacco um

2321
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:31,119
operation

2322
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:32,719
um

2323
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:34,800
I I'm open to trying to make some

2324
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,440
changes so that to allow this this

2325
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:40,080
particular one but if it's a way to kind

2326
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,719
of help maybe clean up some other things

2327
01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:45,040
and I I

2328
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,199
I'm not oppose the idea. I mean, do we

2329
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:50,000
have a cap on liquor license?

2330
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,239
>> We don't have a cap

2331
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:55,119
built into statute, there are some caps

2332
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:57,600
um because liquor licenses are also

2333
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,400
regulated at the state level. So,

2334
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,000
essentially, while we issue liquor

2335
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,520
licenses here, we're almost like

2336
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,840
registering liquor businesses. So, there

2337
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,000
are some caps built into state statute

2338
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,000
for liquor. I don't know those off the

2339
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:14,800
top of my head. Um but those p primarily

2340
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,880
speak to

2341
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,560
um

2342
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:23,679
offsale businesses, so liquor stores. Um

2343
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:26,800
we don't have we we did the council did

2344
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,880
implement a cap for cannabis retail when

2345
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,560
that was being worked through here at

2346
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,560
the city level. Originally there was no

2347
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,320
cap. you know, after some further

2348
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,119
realizations about the realities of of

2349
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:42,880
those businesses, council did want to

2350
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,480
put a cap on those. So, we've have those

2351
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:48,560
capped at three within the city. Um, but

2352
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,360
there's no cap whatsoever on tobacco.

2353
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,119
And I think that there's a distinction

2354
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:56,080
between a tobacco shop, a standalone

2355
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:01,600
tobacco shop, which is defined in our code, and businesses which offer

2356
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,239
tobacco products as part of their other

2357
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:06,719
convenience sales, you know, gas

2358
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:09,679
stations, the Walmarts, the Walgreens

2359
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:12,159
of the city. So,

2360
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:15,520
>> any idea how many standalone we have?

2361
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,159
>> Amanda, did you you did calculate that,

2362
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:20,000
correct? And I I can't recall off the

2363
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,560
top of my head, but I We have five,

2364
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,800
>> correct? I believe um not counting this

2365
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,639
current applicant, mayor, I believe that

2366
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:28,400
we have somewhere between four and five

2367
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,239
standalone tobacco product shops.

2368
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,639
>> Seems like more [laughter] you drive

2369
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:37,360
around, but so um yeah, I don't know.

2370
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,040
Then maybe a cap probably isn't

2371
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:40,880
necessary, but I would like to somehow

2372
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,960
make you know what through the Broadway

2373
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,880
corridor. I mean, we have an exception

2374
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,880
on cannabis for downtown with parks

2375
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,400
right there, but we allow it downtown.

2376
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:49,760
So it wouldn't be something anything

2377
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,320
different if we can make an exception

2378
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:53,760
whether it's here or throughout

2379
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,040
different areas. I I I don't

2380
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:57,840
>> business districts.

2381
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,159
>> Yeah. Business districts that be open to

2382
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:01,360
that. So um

2383
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,600
>> so making it similar to cannabis.

2384
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:06,880
>> Uh not no not really just the only thing

2385
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,400
similar is that we have an exception

2386
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,560
where we took Lakeside Park out where

2387
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,560
we're not using a buffer at all. Like

2388
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,880
the park basically comes right up to

2389
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,239
those b you know buildings downtown. Um,

2390
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:21,360
at 250 though, I think is that if it

2391
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,119
went to 250 on there, is that still or

2392
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:25,119
is it or is it is it within that 250? It

2393
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:25,600
seems like

2394
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,520
>> 250 wouldn't get us there for this

2395
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,960
property just given the the parcel where

2396
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:35,350
Bixby Park is located.

2397
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,440
» So, from that standpoint, it be a policy

2398
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,040
change relative to to the Broadway

2399
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:39,920
business district.

2400
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,590
>> Correct.

2401
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,760
I'd certainly be open to that and I just

2402
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,320
still want to get the EDA moving on

2403
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:52,719
looking at land that developed.

2404
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:54,480
>> And Mr. Mayor, members of council, I did

2405
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,239
speak with the applicant last week

2406
01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:57,920
because I did want to make sure that we

2407
01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:59,600
were being transparent about the the

2408
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,639
challenges here. Um, and he did indicate

2409
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:04,320
that he still has a lot of work to do

2410
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:06,880
before he would even be ready to open up

2411
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,320
and, you know, start welcoming business.

2412
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,440
So, he was comfortable with um you know

2413
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,320
if council needed to put a pause on

2414
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,239
consideration of his application and

2415
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:20,560
look at some other options. Uh he didn't

2416
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,239
think that that would be detrimental to

2417
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:27,199
his his plan for opening his business.

2418
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,199
>> Well, and that's really I mean I guess

2419
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:30,960
legally is that the only option here or

2420
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,320
could we approve this even though it

2421
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,280
goes against our what our ordinance

2422
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,440
says?

2423
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:40,320
I mean, I would prefer to if if it's not

2424
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,239
detrimental to him, and Amanda, I'll let

2425
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,560
you speak to your thoughts afterwards,

2426
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:49,440
but um I'd prefer to table this if

2427
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,000
possible until a later date just so if

2428
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,719
we are planning to look at ordinances or

2429
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:58,159
policies to get those situated first and

2430
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:01,360
then come back to approve something that

2431
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:06,400
is in um that that's legal with our

2432
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,719
ordinance on our policies. So

2433
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:10,159
>> yeah, I'm not [laughter]

2434
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:12,239
>> that's making a motion there to

2435
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:13,920
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2436
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,800
>> No, I I would agree.

2437
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,280
Does that make s is that like and I some

2438
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,320
of the qualifiers on this thing would be

2439
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,040
can you put like to to where the central

2440
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,360
park area is? I mean, how can you can

2441
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,280
you do that? Because this this is that

2442
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,119
weird little stretch there. This could

2443
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:32,639
be a one-off, right? I can't think of

2444
01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:35,199
another park that would have that big of

2445
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:38,080
a n usable spot that's in a commercial

2446
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,679
district. I I don't know. Maybe there

2447
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:40,880
is.

2448
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,800
>> I I think Mr. Mayor, the the real

2449
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,119
challenge is is just the way this park

2450
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:47,040
is situated in the district that it's in

2451
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,960
right now, but also Lakeside, too, to

2452
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,560
your point with what we did with the

2453
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,280
cannabis buffer. Um, so I think we need

2454
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,080
to put some language around both of

2455
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,560
those areas to ensure that there's some

2456
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,199
consideration for business growth in

2457
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:04,709
those areas.

2458
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:06,960
So, do we need to deny or can we just

2459
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,159
table?

2460
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:10,000
>> I would recommend that you table at this

2461
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,280
time. I think that that would be prudent

2462
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,520
and I think that staff can work between

2463
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,440
now and our next meeting to bring you

2464
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:20,719
back an ordinance amendment to consider.

2465
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,199
Should council decide to approve an

2466
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,679
ordinance amendment um after you review

2467
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:28,080
what what we can come up with, then

2468
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,679
council could certainly remove this from

2469
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:31,600
the table and take action on it at that

2470
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,800
time. Okay. So, I'll make a motion that

2471
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,400
we table the tobacco license

2472
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,639
consideration for prime tobacco.

2473
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:41,119
>> I'll second motion, a second. Any

2474
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:42,960
further discussion?

2475
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,000
>> All in favor?

2476
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,920
>> I opposed.

2477
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,280
>> We table that.

2478
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,600
>> Mr. Mayor, can I just seek one point of

2479
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,600
clarification? Would the council also

2480
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,560
like to direct staff to look at a

2481
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:59,040
revision to uh city code chapter 118 and

2482
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,760
to bring back a an amendment which

2483
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,679
captures the spirit of the conversation

2484
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:06,320
here tonight?

2485
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:06,880
>> Yes, please.

2486
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,480
>> Would anyone like to make that motion?

2487
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:09,679
>> I'll make that motion.

2488
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:12,400
>> I'll second motion and a second. Any

2489
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,760
further discussion?

2490
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,639
>> All in favor? I opposed.

2491
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:18,880
>> That motion carries.

2492
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,400
>> Thank you.

2493
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:24,960
All right. Next item 8 G, interim use

2494
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,080
permit cannabis retail. Uh, did I miss

2495
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:32,480
one? Oh, massage. I did eight, sorry. 8F

2496
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:34,480
massage license consideration and

2497
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:36,719
Amanda.

2498
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:38,000
>> Thank you, mayor, members of the

2499
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000
council. Before you tonight, two license

2500
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,800
applications submitted by Mr. Pang Shen.

2501
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,080
an individual um massage therapy license

2502
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,480
as well as a massage business license

2503
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:51,920
for Northern Wellness Center LLC.

2504
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,600
Mr. Shen submitted the required

2505
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:55,280
applications, fees, and supporting

2506
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,639
documentation. Mr. Shen chose the

2507
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:01,360
experiencebased licensing pathway under

2508
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,639
city code section 1153.

2509
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:06,320
He submitted an affidavit stating that

2510
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,239
he had at least one year of prior

2511
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,800
massage therapy experience. He also

2512
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,119
submitted a certificate res represented

2513
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:15,520
to be a massage therapy certificate

2514
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,000
issued by the state of Maine.

2515
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,840
During staff's review, we attempted to

2516
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,800
verify that information. The employment

2517
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:24,719
history provided by Mr. Shen cannot be

2518
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:26,960
verified. More significantly, staff

2519
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,440
contacted the state of Maine to verify

2520
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:31,280
the massage therapy certificate

2521
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:32,639
submitted with his application

2522
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:35,040
materials. The state confirmed that the

2523
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:36,800
license number on their certificate

2524
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,480
belongs to a different individual and

2525
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:41,040
the state's licensing records contain no

2526
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,520
record of of a massage therapy license

2527
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,239
for Mr. Shen. Based on these findings,

2528
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:48,080
staff determined that this application

2529
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,760
materials contain fraudulent or

2530
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,600
deceptive information regarding the

2531
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,440
applicant's professional experience and

2532
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:55,600
state lensure.

2533
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,080
Mr. Shen has since sent multiple emails

2534
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,159
to city staff expressing his position

2535
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,760
that he takes professional compliance

2536
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,679
and regul regulatory standards

2537
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:06,080
seriously. Staff has considered those

2538
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:07,840
statements. However, they do not change

2539
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:09,600
the information that was submitted with

2540
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,080
the license application or the city's

2541
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:15,119
obligation to evaluate the application

2542
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:16,880
based on the requirements of the city's

2543
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,400
code. City Code section 115

2544
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,400
8.18

2545
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,560
uh paragraph A provides grounds for

2546
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,880
denial of a massage license when an

2547
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,880
application contained fraudulent or

2548
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:31,824
deception deceptive information.

2549
01:47:31,824 --> 01:47:33,679
[clears throat] The matter has also been

2550
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:36,159
referred to the FLPD for further

2551
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:38,239
investigation.

2552
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:40,080
Therefore, staff recommend that city

2553
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,560
council deny both the individual massage

2554
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,280
therapy license for Mr. paying as well

2555
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,520
as the massage business license for

2556
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,679
Northern Wellness Center LLC pursuant to

2557
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:53,040
city code section 115.18

2558
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,679
paragraph A. I'm available for

2559
01:47:55,679 --> 01:48:01,750
questions.

2560
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,159
Any questions?

2561
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:07,760
>> I appreciate the the work you did to

2562
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,040
>> follow up and investigate. And um with

2563
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:13,360
that, I'm happy to make a motion to to

2564
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:15,280
deny both the individual massage therapy

2565
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,679
license application for Mr. Shenping and

2566
01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:19,840
the massage business license application

2567
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,600
for Northern Wellness Center LLC.

2568
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:24,960
>> Motion. Is there a second?

2569
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:25,840
>> I'll second that.

2570
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,239
>> Motion second. Any further discussion?

2571
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:29,600
All in favor?

2572
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:33,199
>> I opposed. Motion carries.

2573
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:35,679
All right. Now we are at HG interimm use

2574
01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:38,719
permit cannabis retail 955 West

2575
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:41,760
Broadway. Uh as many know I am in the

2576
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,760
cannabis industry and what I've done

2577
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:46,800
here since being in that industry. I

2578
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,360
have re uh abstained from any votes and

2579
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,600
actually left the council chambers. So

2580
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,119
I'll be doing that this evening and

2581
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:56,000
turning this item over to acting mayor

2582
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:02,629
Vento.

2583
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:05,040
We'll wait just a moment for Roberts to

2584
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:16,550
leave the room.

2585
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:18,159
» For the record, Mayor Roberts has left

2586
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:20,159
the room and so with interim use permit

2587
01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:24,480
can retail 955 Broadway Avenue West.

2588
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:30,310
Abby,

2589
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,239
if you can give me a minute to adjust my

2590
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:34,719
display settings.

2591
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:48,310
Don't even

2592
01:49:48,320 --> 01:50:04,950
go ahead.

2593
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:09,199
Thank you, Acting Mayor Valento, members

2594
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:11,119
of the council. Uh, tonight for your

2595
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:13,199
consideration is an interm permit

2596
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:16,560
request from Lavender Dalia LLC, who has

2597
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,719
requested permission for a cannabis

2598
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:22,480
retail shop to be located at 955 West

2599
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:24,639
Broadway Avenue. That is in that highway

2600
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:26,159
business district that we were just

2601
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:30,320
talking about. Um, the use permit is

2602
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:33,280
specific for cannabis retail sales. As a

2603
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:34,719
reminder, when we developed our

2604
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:36,719
ordinance, we separated the types of

2605
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:38,800
cannabis based businesses out and which

2606
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,960
would be permissible in which districts.

2607
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,199
So, the retail sales component tonight

2608
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,119
that you're considering wouldn't allow

2609
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:46,400
for some of the other things like

2610
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,719
cultivation and manufacturing.

2611
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:52,800
Um, you the tonight you have to uh hold

2612
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,840
up do we have to hold up?

2613
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,280
I think we said hold a hearing, but I

2614
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:58,560
don't believe you have to hold a hearing

2615
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:00,080
tonight. I know you don't have to hold a

2616
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:01,280
hearing tonight. The planning commission

2617
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,719
held one. Um, so purpose of an IUP is a

2618
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:06,320
temporary use permit. There is an

2619
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,080
expiration. Conditional use permits run

2620
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,800
with the land forever or until we revoke

2621
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,360
them. Temporary, we set a time period

2622
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,679
for our cannabis based businesses. We

2623
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:18,159
have a duration of five years. Should

2624
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:19,840
you choose to approve this tonight, the

2625
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:24,880
duration would end uh August 24th, 2031.

2626
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:29,119
So 955 Broadway is an existing retail

2627
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:31,440
building that would be proposed to be

2628
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:35,199
modified to uh the parking area. Some

2629
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,440
existing drive-thru would be removed.

2630
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:40,480
Some site improvements overall. Um the

2631
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:42,719
hours would be persistent or consistent

2632
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:44,880
with the city code of 8:00 a.m. to 10

2633
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,960
p.m. Monday to Saturday and 11 to 6 on

2634
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,920
Sunday. And it meets in uh the intent of

2635
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,520
the B2 district. So, as we were just

2636
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,840
talking about our buffer distances. So,

2637
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:59,520
here is our 500 foot buffer um from that

2638
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,199
parkland that we talked about. Even if

2639
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:04,239
we took that down that property line,

2640
01:52:04,239 --> 01:52:06,320
we're still not touching that park. We

2641
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,119
do have a little

2642
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,679
get my pointer on for you folks so you

2643
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:14,719
can see what I see. If we took this line

2644
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:16,960
down of the park, all that would do is

2645
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,119
extend that buffer. It's not within the

2646
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,760
500 ft of the buffer of the park, but we

2647
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,239
have a 500 foot buffer right here from

2648
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:28,719
this property that is um RISE. RISE is a

2649
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:31,199
company or an organization that serves

2650
01:52:31,199 --> 01:52:35,679
adults um with uh with disabilities and

2651
01:52:35,679 --> 01:52:37,440
um puts them to work within our

2652
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:39,280
community. They don't have any

2653
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:44,000
programming or or services or um care

2654
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,199
facilities here. So even though it is

2655
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:49,440
getting tripped up, it's not the same

2656
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,679
licensing that we're looking When we're

2657
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:54,480
talking about our care living

2658
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:56,400
facilities,

2659
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,599
um, police have taken a look. Building

2660
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:01,920
uh, permits are, you know, what pretty

2661
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,000
standard. There were no comments from

2662
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,560
our engineers. Fires, public works.

2663
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,199
There are no watershed rules triggered.

2664
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:11,119
Outdoor mitigation and signage are going

2665
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:13,520
to be required and would need to follow

2666
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,560
city codes. So staff did work through

2667
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,159
the findings of that for the planning

2668
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:19,520
commission. The pling commission did

2669
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,000
hear this at their last meeting. They

2670
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,840
are recommending both staff and uh the

2671
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,679
planning commission are recommending

2672
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:27,920
conditions of approval that do uh

2673
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:31,280
identify odor control uh is verified.

2674
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:32,560
Signage is reviewed through the

2675
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,199
permitting process. The compliance with

2676
01:53:35,199 --> 01:53:37,679
state and cannabis uh city and state

2677
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:39,360
cannabis regulations because a reminder

2678
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,719
this is just one stop in a long process.

2679
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:45,520
Um annual new renew and registration and

2680
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,400
then uh that final licensing type and

2681
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,119
use must meet all quotes before

2682
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:53,520
everything is finalized. So the

2683
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:55,679
recommendation tonight is to represent

2684
01:53:55,679 --> 01:54:00,719
or represent to approve um resolution

2685
01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:02,880
08242606

2686
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:04,960
and there is a draft motion on the

2687
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:08,239
council's uh screens for your review.

2688
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:11,199
Applicant Dalia is here to if you have

2689
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:13,599
questions for him. Do you have any for

2690
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:15,760
me

2691
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:20,390
comments or questions?

2692
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,239
is would council like to hear from the

2693
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:24,400
applicant.

2694
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:30,709
>> Sure.

2695
01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:32,639
» Good evening, uh, council members,

2696
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:36,080
acting mayor. Uh, my name is Brian Gold.

2697
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,719
I am, uh, here on behalf of Lavender

2698
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:41,920
Dalia. I am the, uh, architect, uh, as

2699
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,000
part of the development team. So, I'm

2700
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,000
here to answer any questions you may

2701
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:50,550
have on uh the zoning.

2702
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:51,599
» I mean, I think it looks pretty

2703
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:54,870
straightforward.

2704
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,229
» Conditions and approval.

2705
01:54:57,229 --> 01:54:57,280
[clears throat]

2706
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:58,960
>> We appreciate you being here all night,

2707
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,199
but [laughter]

2708
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,679
>> I flew here, too.

2709
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:06,560
Um, one clarifying question I had, Abby,

2710
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:10,080
um, as we were just mentioning for the,

2711
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,520
um, not the last item, but the item

2712
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,159
before, we have a cap on how many

2713
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:16,000
cannabis,

2714
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:20,000
um, stores we have in Forest Lake and

2715
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,880
how many IUPs have we approved. And I

2716
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,360
know in the packet it said we'd continue

2717
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,119
working through regardless of how many

2718
01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:28,400
IUPs

2719
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,040
>> we've approved, but um, can you clarify

2720
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,119
that number? Um, this will be the fourth

2721
01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:36,159
IUP. And remember, IUPs are conditional.

2722
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:37,760
Then they need to go to the state, work

2723
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,360
through their state licensing. They need

2724
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:40,320
to work through their building

2725
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:41,840
permitting, come back, get their city

2726
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,719
registration, get their Did I do that in

2727
01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:45,840
the right order, Julian?

2728
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,000
>> You did. You got it. City registration

2729
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,599
before getting their final permit

2730
01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:52,080
approval from this or registration from

2731
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,080
the state and then getting their

2732
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,960
licenses finalized. So, we will allow as

2733
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,520
unlimited number of IUPs, but we have a

2734
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:01,599
maximum number of licenses. it would be

2735
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:04,159
our fourth IUP. It does make it a little

2736
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:06,159
tricky, right? Um because we've only

2737
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:08,800
issued one license within the city.

2738
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,040
>> Just quick clarification, acting mayor

2739
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:12,560
and council members. So, we register

2740
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,960
here. We we've issued one registration.

2741
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:15,520
>> Thank you.

2742
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,880
>> Um we know that there is one other

2743
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:23,440
business who has uh pinged um

2744
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,280
administration staff several times to

2745
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:26,960
move forward their reg registration.

2746
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,880
However, they have not completed they've

2747
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,080
not submitted a building permit

2748
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,320
application. They've not finalized any

2749
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,719
building plans to my knowledge quite

2750
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:36,880
yet. Um so they've been told that they

2751
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,480
need to work through those processes

2752
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,639
first before we can move forward with

2753
01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:42,880
their registration. So right now we have

2754
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:47,510
one registration two available.

2755
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:49,920
» Thank you. Yes, license registration not

2756
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,599
licensing. It does make it a little

2757
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:54,639
tricky, but um at any one point any one

2758
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:56,560
of those businesses that do have a

2759
01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:00,560
registration or a state approval could

2760
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,199
not tomorrow, right? And so there are

2761
01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:05,119
those other IEPs that could come in and

2762
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:08,159
assume um you know move forward with

2763
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:09,679
their registration.

2764
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,119
>> Well, I think at least one of those

2765
01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:13,119
previously approved IEPs has done

2766
01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:14,639
nothing with it. So

2767
01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:17,280
>> correct.

2768
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:20,320
Thanks. Any other comments or questions?

2769
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:24,560
If not, looking for a motion.

2770
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,400
>> I'll make a motion to approve resolution

2771
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,760
number 0824-2606

2772
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,599
approving the intram use permit for

2773
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:34,239
cannabis retail sales at 955 West

2774
01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:37,280
Broadway Avenue subject to the 19

2775
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,360
conditions of approval contained

2776
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,320
therein, include any amendments approved

2777
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,719
by the city council.

2778
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:46,320
>> There's a motion. Is there a second?

2779
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:47,199
>> I'll second.

2780
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:49,679
>> Motion and a second. Any discussion?

2781
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:51,920
Hearing none. All in favor?

2782
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:52,880
>> I.

2783
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,880
>> Any opposed?

2784
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,000
None. Then we can take a short pause and

2785
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,239
bring the mayor back in.

2786
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:00,960
>> Good luck.

2787
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:02,400
>> Thank you. Do you guys happen to know

2788
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,239
when the next meeting will be or the

2789
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:06,639
next uh

2790
01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,480
approval process

2791
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,320
>> date wise?

2792
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:10,880
>> What was that?

2793
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,400
>> I'm sorry. Do you happen to know a date

2794
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:15,520
of when the next u I guess process will

2795
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,199
be a next approval process?

2796
01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:19,360
>> You are with the city, you'll need to

2797
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:21,119
then move forward with your state.

2798
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:22,400
>> Oh, perfect. Okay.

2799
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,320
>> processes, building permitting, those

2800
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,840
sorts of things before coming back for

2801
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:26,480
registration.

2802
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:27,920
>> All right. Perfect. Thank you.

2803
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:32,149
Appreciate it. Thank you.

2804
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:35,040
» All right. We'll move on to

2805
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:38,480
ah designated parking requests. Dave,

2806
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:40,800
>> mayor also received requests from the

2807
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:44,080
law office at 92 Lake Street South

2808
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,560
asking for designated parking uh stalls

2809
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:47,760
directly in front of their building on

2810
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,480
Lake Street. Uh their primary concern

2811
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:52,960
was uh in the winter months and access

2812
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,760
for elderly clients especially uh with

2813
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,159
increased parking demand anticipated

2814
01:58:58,159 --> 01:58:59,920
hardware when that gets built down

2815
01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:03,280
there. As noted in the report, uh the

2816
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,760
property already has its own parking lot

2817
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:08,320
um in the back and there are multiple

2818
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,239
public parking spots in front of the

2819
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:14,239
building. Today, Mandot has confirmed uh

2820
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:16,239
with the city that while Lake Street is

2821
01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:19,840
under state jurisdiction, we can

2822
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,320
regulate the uh the parking, but they

2823
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:27,679
would have to approve that. So, we can make decisions and allow this

2824
01:59:27,679 --> 01:59:29,760
type of

2825
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:34,880
then they would have to authorize that decision. Um report listed a number

2826
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:38,320
of pros and cons. Um staff believes the

2827
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,800
key consideration here is less about the

2828
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,199
individual request but more about the

2829
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:46,080
president that it's going to set.

2830
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,080
a business specific stall could lead to

2831
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,560
similar requests along Lake Street

2832
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,440
potentially incl reducing public areas

2833
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:56,800
and accesses um and then creating equity

2834
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:59,360
concerns of

2835
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,440
preferential treatment.

2836
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:04,639
Um so

2837
02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:06,000
I provided you with a number of

2838
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,280
different options at the bottom of the

2839
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,760
memo. Um just looking for some

2840
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:14,950
discussion and direction

2841
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:16,960
council.

2842
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:20,400
>> Well, um I'm not really in favor of

2843
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:24,800
this. Um especially since the

2844
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,119
people involved are inquiring about

2845
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:30,080
having this out in the wintertime. Um

2846
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,560
seems to be more along the directed area

2847
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,960
of concern. I think with the plowing of

2848
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:38,400
the highway, this the BMS of the snow uh

2849
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:40,639
creates more of a problem and the be the

2850
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:43,599
ability to be able to clear that area uh

2851
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:45,760
if they do park there. Uh they are

2852
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,719
allowed to park there um on a regular

2853
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:52,880
basis to park their vehicle. However,

2854
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:56,400
they already have 16 parking spots

2855
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,320
stalls and that one of them is already a

2856
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,880
handicap. If they are concerned about

2857
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,679
handicap parking, maybe they can

2858
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:06,400
add another stall to their parking lot

2859
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,199
regarding that problem. Um, or if they

2860
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:11,119
wanted to do some type of temporary

2861
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:14,159
thing with a temporary parking sign out

2862
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:15,840
there or some if they know they have a

2863
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:18,320
client coming that has uh additional

2864
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:22,239
needs or accessibility issues, but I

2865
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:25,760
find that again with uh Mr. Adam saying

2866
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:27,840
that we're kind of setting oursself up

2867
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:30,239
for precedence

2868
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:32,880
uh with other businesses in the area I

2869
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,000
think is sends a message and also to the

2870
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,920
high traffic volume area of that area of

2871
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:43,669
Highway 61 or Lake Street.

2872
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,400
» Great.

2873
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:48,880
Any other

2874
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:50,560
thoughts or

2875
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,040
>> Yeah, I'm not in favor of it. Um, I mean

2876
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,159
the downtown is already underparked and

2877
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:57,199
you know the fact that they have their

2878
02:01:57,199 --> 02:02:00,239
own parking lot in the back

2879
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:02,000
I guess be a little surprising if that's

2880
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:04,719
not able to you know um meet their

2881
02:02:04,719 --> 02:02:07,920
needs. But you know couple that with a

2882
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:12,400
new retail um store opening right across

2883
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,880
the street. Well, there may be times

2884
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:16,400
when

2885
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:18,080
clients for either store or any of the

2886
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:19,360
stores in that area may have to walk a

2887
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:21,920
little bit further. Um that's been our

2888
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,960
goal these last four, you know, years of

2889
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:26,719
making downtown more walkable. You know,

2890
02:02:26,719 --> 02:02:28,880
public works does a fantastic job of

2891
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:31,920
getting those BMS out after uh the state

2892
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:35,360
comes through and cleans. Um and so I

2893
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,840
yeah, I would direct option number

2894
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,360
three.

2895
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:41,440
Um decline the request and maintain all

2896
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:42,880
on street parking on Lake Street as

2897
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,119
public parking.

2898
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:48,080
>> Yeah, I think I agree as well. um if

2899
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:49,520
you're handicapped, not knowing what

2900
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:51,920
that handicap is necessarily, but it

2901
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,080
just seems so much more dangerous for

2902
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:56,320
anybody that needs a little extra time

2903
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:59,040
or a little extra space to move around

2904
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:03,840
that being on on Highway 61 there would

2905
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,880
just be a bad thing for them. I agree

2906
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,795
with with the other council members.

2907
02:03:09,795 --> 02:03:09,920
[clears throat]

2908
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:12,719
>> I'm in agreement as well.

2909
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:15,280
>> All right. Anyone

2910
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:17,840
willing to make a motion?

2911
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:19,119
>> Make a motion that we decline the

2912
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:20,800
request to maintain all on street

2913
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:22,159
parking on Lake Street as public

2914
02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:23,119
parking.

2915
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:25,520
>> I'll second motion and a second. Any

2916
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,000
further discussion?

2917
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:29,199
>> All in favor?

2918
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:29,920
>> I

2919
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:34,159
>> opposed. One abstension.

2920
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:38,159
>> Right. Nine discussion items. Nine. A

2921
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:40,639
street sign request policy date.

2922
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:42,639
>> Yeah. Uh, mayor and councel, this is

2923
02:03:42,639 --> 02:03:44,239
kind of an offshoot of this this

2924
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:47,440
previous agenda item. Um, if that were

2925
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:49,760
to get approved, then typically we go

2926
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:51,760
through some type of a vetting process

2927
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,159
of where the signs go, how high off the

2928
02:03:54,159 --> 02:03:56,239
ground they get, um, and all that type

2929
02:03:56,239 --> 02:03:58,960
of, um, stuff. The issue is we don't

2930
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:02,080
really have a formalized policy. Um, we

2931
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:04,159
usually follow the same steps. If a stop

2932
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:06,719
sign request comes in or a no parking

2933
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:11,199
sign comes in, it gets evaluated in the in the same steps. But right now,

2934
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:13,040
we don't have an actual written down

2935
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:15,679
policy that that kind of keeps that

2936
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:17,920
transparent and know has a resident kind

2937
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:20,080
of expect what's coming next uh when

2938
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:22,501
they do make a request. Um, interesting

2939
02:04:22,501 --> 02:04:23,920
[clears throat] enough, we did get a

2940
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,719
stop sign request in between

2941
02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:29,840
the designated parking and now. So, um,

2942
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:31,280
that's just a good example. We don't get

2943
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:32,800
a lot of them, but it' just be nice to

2944
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,239
be able to give this resident here's

2945
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,320
your here's our policy. Here's a form

2946
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:37,520
you fill up and then here's all the

2947
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:39,760
steps that that follow through. Like I

2948
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:42,000
said, it's not nothing that we do don't

2949
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:43,520
do any differently than we do now. It's

2950
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:45,599
just not written out and it's, you know,

2951
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:47,440
a policy is good to have up on the

2952
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:49,840
website and a and a form that would be

2953
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,239
consistent every time there's a request.

2954
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:55,599
U I tried to cover every single ask

2955
02:04:55,599 --> 02:04:57,280
about what kind of sign it would be.

2956
02:04:57,280 --> 02:04:58,560
That's why it gets a little lengthy, but

2957
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,719
instead of having a stop sign request

2958
02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:02,639
form and then a street sign form and

2959
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:05,119
then a no parking form and all those

2960
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:06,800
different forms, you kind of guess of

2961
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:09,199
just to kind of get it all into one with

2962
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:11,360
one one request form. So, that's why

2963
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:13,920
it's it is a it is a lot, but instead of

2964
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:15,679
having six individual and trying to

2965
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:17,360
figure out which policy to give them,

2966
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:20,080
just to kind of keep it all in one. So

2967
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:21,840
really what I'm looking for is if you've

2968
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:24,239
looked through it, any uh initial

2969
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:26,239
feedback, but the goal would be to bring

2970
02:05:26,239 --> 02:05:29,119
that back um to next month's council

2971
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:32,239
meeting um for adoption and then roll

2972
02:05:32,239 --> 02:05:34,480
that out with that first uh request and

2973
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:35,840
have that resident go through that

2974
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:38,560
process.

2975
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:40,159
I think this is really well thought out

2976
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:42,239
and um covers all the basis. One

2977
02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:43,920
question I would have is is this sort of

2978
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:45,760
form

2979
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,840
um on our website in the sense that it

2980
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:49,199
can actually be filled out. Do we have

2981
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:50,960
that capability? So they'll just fill

2982
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:53,040
this out on the website and it'll be

2983
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:55,520
submitted immediately versus a print.

2984
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:56,719
And

2985
02:05:56,719 --> 02:05:58,320
>> I have to ask Julene.

2986
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:00,400
>> U Mr. Mayor, members of council, yes, we

2987
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,400
can certainly build out a form that

2988
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:03,520
replicates what this [clears throat]

2989
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:05,599
fillable PDF looks like. So then then

2990
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:07,520
the form would automatically filter

2991
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,360
through to public works staff for review

2992
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:11,679
and consideration. Yeah, that' be the

2993
02:06:11,679 --> 02:06:16,790
one thing I make sure to do.

2994
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:19,760
» I think it looks good. Um, the one

2995
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:24,400
comment I have is spelling. There was on

2996
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,960
page of the packet 348. I think it's

2997
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:28,880
page two.

2998
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:30,880
Um, in the second bullet point, it says

2999
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:33,360
location of the requested signal. So,

3000
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:37,270
just

3001
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:41,830
Oh, besides that, it looks good.

3002
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:44,000
» You can never accuse Council Member

3003
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,602
Valento not looking through her packet.

3004
02:06:46,602 --> 02:06:47,040
[laughter]

3005
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:51,990
>> That is thorough. I

3006
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,719
» All right. Anyone make a motion?

3007
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:56,000
>> Do we need a motion or is this

3008
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:57,599
>> Oh, it's discussion. I'm sorry. Yes.

3009
02:06:57,599 --> 02:06:59,599
Motion to come in the future. So, I

3010
02:06:59,599 --> 02:07:01,199
think Yeah, I would agree. I think it

3011
02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:03,119
looks great. uh a lot of work, time and

3012
02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:05,040
thought went into this. I appreciate uh

3013
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:07,760
that and um it's just nice to have this

3014
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:10,320
policy in place and

3015
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,679
>> so overall at the end and then bring

3016
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:17,510
that back.

3017
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:18,320
» Thank you.

3018
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:21,599
>> All right, we will go into staff updates

3019
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:23,199
and Ryan

3020
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:25,199
>> Mayor City Council uh Dave actually did

3021
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:28,079
that as a test and he even called out

3022
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:31,798
who would bring that misspelling up. So,

3023
02:07:31,798 --> 02:07:34,470
[laughter]

3024
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:38,400
uh, so some, uh, public engagement

3025
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:39,760
communication has been sent out with

3026
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:41,520
Eurek Avenue. I just want to touch base

3027
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:43,280
with you guys if you have any questions

3028
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:44,880
about

3029
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:47,760
schedule going on, why why now, why is

3030
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:49,520
this take so long, you know, kind of

3031
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:51,520
stuff like that. So,

3032
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:53,360
>> I if you would, I think, you know, we

3033
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:56,000
I've received some feedback on that and,

3034
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:58,239
you know, doesn't too hard to go on

3035
02:07:58,239 --> 02:07:59,920
social media and take a look, but uh,

3036
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:01,679
>> here we go. questions.

3037
02:08:01,679 --> 02:08:03,840
>> Uh, so we'll go back a little bit.

3038
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,920
Highway 97 project that was supposed to

3039
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,400
be a 2425 construction project that got

3040
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,639
delayed. So that's why that's a 25 26

3041
02:08:10,639 --> 02:08:14,400
project, right? Uh, we

3042
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,560
county road 32 or 11th Avenue was

3043
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,800
supposed to be a 26 project too. It got

3044
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:22,320
pushed to 27 and then it got where we're

3045
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:23,920
at now to fit with all the other

3046
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:25,840
projects that are going on in the area

3047
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:27,199
including the highway 8. They pushed

3048
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:30,560
that to 28. And we also then ability to

3049
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:32,159
seek some additional funding for that

3050
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:35,280
project too. Eureka Eureka Avenue was

3051
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:38,320
planned for 26. Uh obviously that didn't

3052
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,239
work out with the weather and when we

3053
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:42,239
finally got the DNR easements that's why

3054
02:08:42,239 --> 02:08:44,639
that's got now being pushed to 27. But

3055
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:46,159
why do we got to do the work we got to

3056
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:50,159
do now? So there's three stages uh for

3057
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:53,280
the searchcharge placements. Each stage

3058
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:55,760
has three lips. Okay. And after you're

3059
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,400
done with stage one, it needs to sit for

3060
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,560
two weeks so they can monitor it, you

3061
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:04,239
know, to measure settlement. But the

3062
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:06,639
early parts of these stages have to be

3063
02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:09,280
done on non-prozen ground. So that's why

3064
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:11,599
that work has to get going now so we

3065
02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:13,040
don't get in the same situation that we

3066
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,880
did and had to shut the project down. If

3067
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,040
we don't get the search charge placed

3068
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,800
that potentially would have to sit there

3069
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,480
for nine months to get the consolidation

3070
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:23,520
that we need, you're then now in 28

3071
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:25,360
project. And now our funding is not

3072
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,440
available anymore, right? So that's why

3073
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:29,599
now, why, who, what, when, and where,

3074
02:09:29,599 --> 02:09:32,480
why? To answer all those questions. Uh

3075
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:34,400
obviously, it's not going to be a full

3076
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:37,199
closure while they do this work. Uh the

3077
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:41,040
days that they're, you know, they're going to start out their Monday

3078
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,960
with a lot of erosion control placement

3079
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:45,920
and some so or fence removal, but when

3080
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,520
they do get into the placement of the

3081
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:49,440
search charge, that's where they'll have

3082
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:51,440
those temporary road closures to

3083
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:53,199
complete that work. uh just because of

3084
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:55,040
the big trucks and equipment that are

3085
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,199
going to be coming in and out of there.

3086
02:09:57,199 --> 02:09:59,599
So that's just a little more background

3087
02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:01,599
when you lay it out like oh yeah now

3088
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:03,119
that makes sense why we got to come and

3089
02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:04,320
do what we got to do for the search

3090
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,159
charge now. So once it's placed it's

3091
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:07,920
going to sit there throughout the entire

3092
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:11,360
winter and into the spring.

3093
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:13,599
>> When you say temporary closing like just

3094
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:15,440
for the day or a couple hours or what's

3095
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:15,920
temporary

3096
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:17,119
>> for the time that they're hauling

3097
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:20,960
material in there and getting that work

3098
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:24,880
done. Right. So if they got they they

3099
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,639
could possibly I mean by working hours

3100
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:28,560
they could be a seven to seven one day

3101
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:30,400
right and but if they you know they can

3102
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:32,320
do those long durations that's just less

3103
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:34,079
shutdowns that are going to occur

3104
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:35,679
>> but it would open up in the evening.

3105
02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:38,239
>> Yep. It would open up each evening and

3106
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:39,679
through the weekends when they're not

3107
02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:41,440
working it would be open until we get to

3108
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:44,239
that end if we do decide ultimately

3109
02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:45,599
we're going to close the road for the

3110
02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:48,880
winter. But we're kind of also

3111
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,520
monitoring the Highway 87 or 97

3112
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,960
construction, right? Uh can't see much

3113
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,400
going on unless you walk into there

3114
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:58,159
right now. But there's still about three

3115
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:01,119
weeks left of concrete work.

3116
02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:04,000
That's a lot of concrete, right? So, uh

3117
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,480
curb medians,

3118
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,800
pathways, truck aprons, and the

3119
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:12,400
roundabout. So, once that gets done,

3120
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:14,560
then you know, then you can start

3121
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:17,199
paving. And I can't remember how many

3122
02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:19,440
lifts off hand, but at least three out

3123
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:20,719
there. And then the restoration,

3124
02:11:20,719 --> 02:11:23,360
striping, signage, and stuff like that.

3125
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:28,000
So, uh, all the utility work's done, so

3126
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:29,199
hopefully things can move a little

3127
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:30,960
faster. Weather look is looking very

3128
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:34,320
favorable, you know, but so that's kind

3129
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:36,400
of what we all kind of got going on in

3130
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:39,440
that Highway 97 Eureka Avenue area. And

3131
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:40,800
why?

3132
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:43,599
>> So, uh, just to clarify, when does this

3133
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:46,000
have to be done before we have we're

3134
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,159
risk of losing that funding? End of TW

3135
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:50,000
like what's

3136
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:54,320
>> 28? If we go past 28, but we want to get

3137
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:56,800
the work done that we have laid out with

3138
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:58,960
the schedule and 27 because of the deep

3139
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,119
trenches that, you know, we're going to

3140
02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:02,480
come through there and reconstruct that,

3141
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:04,079
right?

3142
02:12:04,079 --> 02:12:06,079
99.99999%

3143
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:07,920
of the time when we do a full recon like

3144
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:09,679
that, we want it to sit through one

3145
02:12:09,679 --> 02:12:11,920
winner to go through a freeze thaw

3146
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,840
before we come back and pave the final

3147
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:17,040
workhorse in 28 because in case if there

3148
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:18,560
are some settlements, we want to be able

3149
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:20,480
to take care of those and before the

3150
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:23,280
final workhorse is done.

3151
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:26,079
We haven't done a full recon since two

3152
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:29,679
15th Street Southwest.

3153
02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:30,400
Okay,

3154
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,159
>> that I mean that's good information that

3155
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:33,760
that's you know when you when you see it

3156
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:35,360
on social media and then it's easy to

3157
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:36,159
question that because

3158
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:37,360
>> I shouldn't have looked at that because

3159
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:38,719
then I didn't sleep all the rest of the

3160
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:41,520
weekend. I'm like dang it. [laughter]

3161
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,760
>> So that's why I was ready to talk about

3162
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,199
>> Yeah. No, that's good because that

3163
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:46,719
helps. I mean when people reach out to

3164
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:49,280
us it's we have some facts behind it and

3165
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:52,239
so pre appreciate that.

3166
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:54,480
>> Uh anything else? Oh, thanks,

3167
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:55,679
>> Amanda.

3168
02:12:55,679 --> 02:12:56,880
>> No updates.

3169
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:57,920
>> Abby,

3170
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:59,440
>> uh, community development staff was at

3171
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:02,000
Arts in the Park last week for the third

3172
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:05,599
time this summer looking at public's uh,

3173
02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:08,320
input on the potential removal of the

3174
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:10,719
boat launch and or expanded parkland

3175
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:12,880
space. That was direction asked by the

3176
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:15,520
parks commission. So, we'll be telling

3177
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:17,520
that information with survey data coming

3178
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:19,920
in through the end of the summer here

3179
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:21,599
and bringing that back to the parks

3180
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:23,280
commission to uh get some

3181
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:24,719
recommendations from them to move

3182
02:13:24,719 --> 02:13:25,840
forward with some of the capital

3183
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:27,599
investment projects that public works

3184
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:30,159
has been planning for uh lakeside

3185
02:13:30,159 --> 02:13:31,920
predominantly the shoreline restoration

3186
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,480
project needs to keep kind of get moving

3187
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:37,679
forward. Um lots of continued

3188
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:39,520
development interest. I know that we

3189
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:42,239
start seeing leaves um falling, but that

3190
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:43,760
doesn't mean that development's going to

3191
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:46,239
slow down at all. We continue to see uh

3192
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:47,840
people coming in thinking that they're

3193
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:50,560
going to want to build everything this

3194
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:52,320
year starting to get a little bit

3195
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:54,079
challenging and everybody's fighting the

3196
02:13:54,079 --> 02:13:57,119
weather. So, um some things get a little

3197
02:13:57,119 --> 02:13:59,280
bit longer in our review process because

3198
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:01,040
we are pretty inundated with permitting

3199
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:04,320
right now. We do have permits in for an

3200
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:06,079
minor addition at Walmart and at Quick

3201
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:07,760
Trip. So, just know that there's some

3202
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,440
small things going on in some of our

3203
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:11,119
commercial properties. I did receive an

3204
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:13,920
inquiry today for one of our I would

3205
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:16,000
call it a national chain in the city

3206
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,079
that's in a smaller tenant space moving

3207
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:20,159
now potentially into a larger tenant

3208
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:22,239
space. So, that's even nice to see that

3209
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:24,480
you kind of have some some things moving

3210
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:27,840
around, people ex businesses expanding.

3211
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:29,199
Um, and then lastly, we have a new

3212
02:14:29,199 --> 02:14:33,669
building inspector starting on Monday.

3213
02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:35,840
» Thank you, Dave. Uh just one update.

3214
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:38,400
Corn feed is tomorrow night for the lats

3215
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:41,040
arts in the park. Um I confirmed with

3216
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:43,520
Cal he has a bunch of volunteers, but he

3217
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:45,520
said any one of you are welcome to come

3218
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:48,880
and shook a few uh dozen or hundred cobs

3219
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:52,079
of corn. So um should be a nice weather

3220
02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:53,599
it looks like. So that'd be a good uh

3221
02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:55,520
ending of the the arts in the park

3222
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:57,599
season.

3223
02:14:57,599 --> 02:15:00,480
>> Chief Hannigraph

3224
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:03,990
Church of Cash.

3225
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,400
Uh, thank you. Um, last Wednesday we had

3226
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:08,480
our 9th annual FLAW community night

3227
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:10,239
where the Forest Lake Fire Department

3228
02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:12,560
and Police Department create a softball

3229
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,480
team and take on the traveling coaches.

3230
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:16,560
Um, we had great weather, great turnout.

3231
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:18,639
It's a lot of fun to get everybody out

3232
02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:20,000
there, [clears throat] not in uniform,

3233
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,320
be in the community. Um, so that event

3234
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:23,840
went off without a hitch and it was

3235
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:25,599
really nice. Um, and then I just wanted

3236
02:15:25,599 --> 02:15:27,679
to mention uh in our hiring

3237
02:15:27,679 --> 02:15:30,000
recommendations in the consent agenda,

3238
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,320
we're hiring our first cso out of our

3239
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:34,000
program. And that was what one of the

3240
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:36,239
major components of building that

3241
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:39,360
program was is to transition these young

3242
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:41,520
folks that are coming through school

3243
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:43,520
now. We'll have another one next year

3244
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:46,320
that will be ready. Um, both individuals

3245
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:48,960
that are first initial ones have nothing

3246
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:50,639
but positive things that they want to

3247
02:15:50,639 --> 02:15:52,800
work for Lake Police Department. So that

3248
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:56,719
program objectives are doing very well.

3249
02:15:56,719 --> 02:15:59,440
>> Uh most importantly, who won?

3250
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,199
>> Uh FL won this year.

3251
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:02,000
>> Okay.

3252
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:03,360
>> It's been a couple years, but it was

3253
02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:05,520
good to see it was competitive, so we

3254
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:09,280
just about ran out of light, so good.

3255
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:10,719
>> Thanks, Chief Newman.

3256
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:12,400
>> No updates.

3257
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:15,199
>> Amanda, anything. Jolene,

3258
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:18,079
>> um our city's budget survey is live, so

3259
02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:20,079
encourage folks to get out there and

3260
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:21,679
participate in that. There's links on

3261
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:23,679
our website, links on social media.

3262
02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:25,440
There'll be information going on next

3263
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:28,239
utility bill about that. Um, we're going

3264
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:29,760
to have a little bit of a lull here

3265
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:31,599
between tonight, our next council

3266
02:16:31,599 --> 02:16:34,399
meeting because Labor Day is upon us and

3267
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:36,319
just the way the calendar's shaken out,

3268
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:38,240
um, our first meeting won't be until

3269
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,880
September 14th. City offices will be

3270
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:44,080
closed on September 7th in honor and

3271
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:46,479
observance of Labor Day. And then just

3272
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:47,760
want to point out that we have some

3273
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:49,599
great employment opportunities posted on

3274
02:16:49,599 --> 02:16:50,880
our website. We have police

3275
02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:52,800
administrative assistant position for

3276
02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:55,040
Chief Hanigraph's team. And then

3277
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:57,200
starting tomorrow, we have a community

3278
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:59,120
development assistant position. So,

3279
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:00,479
encourage folks to get out there and

3280
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:02,000
check out those opportunities and come

3281
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:04,160
join our team.

3282
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,160
>> Thank you. Council member Miller,

3283
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:07,439
>> uh, no updates. Council

3284
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:08,319
>> member,

3285
02:17:08,319 --> 02:17:09,040
>> no updates.

3286
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:10,160
>> Council member Ericson,

3287
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:10,880
>> no updates.

3288
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:12,639
>> Council member Arson,

3289
02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:14,559
>> planning commission meeting Wednesday,

3290
02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:16,319
six o'clock. If you can make it, please

3291
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:17,359
show up.

3292
02:17:17,359 --> 02:17:19,840
>> All right. I don't have anything either.

3293
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:22,240
So with no other business coming for us,

3294
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:35,705
we are ajourned tonight.

3295
02:17:35,715 --> 02:17:37,734
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