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On here.

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Good evening. Actually, it's not afternoon anymore.

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Good evening. Um, it's my pleasure to, uh, welcome everyone

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to the regular meeting

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of the Forsythes County Board of Commissioners.

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Um, and it's on December the 18th, 2025, which happens

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to be our, I know you'll wanna stay till

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the very end because we're gonna have a discussion item

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to review what happened in 2025 in case you have forgotten

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anything that happened with us in 2025.

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Um, citizens who are interested in participating in the

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public session portion of the meeting, you may do so

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by calling 3 3 6 4 2 2 1200.

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You'll be placed on hold until the public session begins.

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And members of the audience

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who are interested in participating in the public session

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portion of the meeting, you just need

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to fill out a speaker card and return it to the clerk.

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You can do that actually right now.

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That does not apply to those that may be here

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for the public hearing.

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You'll have an opportunity when we get to the either pro

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and cons on the public hearing

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to come up without a speaker card.

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Um, we're gonna begin our meeting tonight, uh,

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with an invocation from Pastor Frank Robinson, um,

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from Messiah Community Christian Church,

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and it'll be followed by the Pledge of Allegiance, led

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by Commissioner Wilson.

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And I'd like to invite everyone who is able to stand.

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Good evening, let us pray.

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Gracious and sovereign, God, as we gather

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for this final meeting of the year,

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we also acknowledge your presence.

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And to thank you for your steady guidance

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and unfailing faithfulness, we recognize the weight

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of responsibilities carried by these public servants

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and the honor of serving the people of this community.

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As this year draws to a close, we give thanks

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for the progress achieved, the obstacles overcome,

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and the wisdom gains all along the way.

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We honor the dedication, sacrifice,

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and perseverance of those who have served with integrity,

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diligence, and commitment As we carry out the work

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before us today, grant wisdom in every decision,

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clarity in every conversation,

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and respect in every exchange.

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May conversation prevail.

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Fairness govern our actions

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and the wellbeing of our community remain

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our highest priority.

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As we look forward and toward a new year, we ask

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for a renewal and strength, restore weary minds,

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prepare capable hands,

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and inspire hope for the responsibilities

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and opportunities that lie ahead.

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We ask for peace within this room, unity among leaders

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and continued blessings upon this community with gratitude

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for the year behind us and confidence in the year before us.

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We offer you this prayer in Jesus name, amen.

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Amen. Amen. Allegiance to the fact

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which stands, one nation under God

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in the with liberty and justice role.

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First item on the agenda is a public hearing on the zoning

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petition of Keystone Group, Inc.

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From HBS to RM 18 s.

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It is zoning Docket F 1662

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and Kirk Erickson from Planning

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and Development Services Deputy Director is gonna give us an

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overview of the request.

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Alright, thank you Mr.

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Chairman and good evening commissioners.

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Uh, the petitioner is the Keystone Group,

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and the site is a 0.73 acre property located at the

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southeast intersection of Wallburg Landing Drive

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and Overline Drive at the Davidson County line.

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And it's a special use rezoning request from highway

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business special use to RM 18 multifamily special use.

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This is the forward 2045 growth management map showing, uh,

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the site, again, it's at the Davidson County Lawn just

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off Thomasville Road.

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This is a zoning map showing, uh, the site in yellow.

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Again, you can see the RM 18,

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which is multifamily at 18 units, uh, an acre,

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which is the existing Wallburg landing, uh,

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apartment development that's already out there.

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The highway business special use zoning is a gas station,

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some retail space, and a McDonald's.

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And then there's a food line shopping center on the Davidson

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Again, this is an aerial showing the subject property,

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uh, outlined in yellow.

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You can see there's already an existing parking lot out

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here, which was constructed when this was expected

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to be additional commercial space

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as the market has not been there for, uh,

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that type of development.

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This, uh, petitioner is hoping to repurpose this

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as an additional building in his existing

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multifamily development.

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And this is the adopted area plan,

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land use recommendation map.

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Uh, again, in recognition of existing zoning,

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the site is shown as red for commercial development

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and the, uh,

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existing apartment homes are shown in the dark brown

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for high density residential development.

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We'll just go through a few site pictures.

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This is looking east along Wallburg Landing Drive.

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Subject property is to the right

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and Thomasville Road is kind of off in the distance.

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This is look looking west along Wallburg Landing Drive.

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Subject property is to the left.

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This is looking north on Wallburg Landing Drive.

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Uh, you can see the McDonald's in the background.

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And the subject property is, uh,

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where we took the photograph from.

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And this is looking south along Overline Drive.

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The subject property is to the left

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and, uh, Davidson County is off, uh,

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in the distance beyond the trees.

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This is the site plan for the proposed development.

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Uh, you can see that most

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of this development has already been constructed.

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This one building right here is

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what the request is actually for this evening.

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And we've got another site plan

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that's gonna come up and zoom in on that.

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But I just wanted to let the, uh, commissioners see

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these green areas are the existing open space

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for the development that this property will be able

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to take advantage of, including a pool, a clubhouse, uh,

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pet parks, things of that nature.

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And this Blue Park is an additional open space

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that's being added to make sure

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that there is additional open space to serve.

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Kind of the, the ratio of this added 12 unit building.

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This is zooming in on the particular building.

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It's a three story, uh, apartment building

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with four units per floor.

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They're all two bedroom units,

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and again, the parking lot is already out there.

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These are building elevations showing brick construction.

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And, uh, the elevations will match the design

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of the buildings that are already, uh,

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existing in the Walburg Landing development.

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In summary, the proposal prioritizes density, a diversity

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of uses and connectivity in an area served

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by existing infrastructure.

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The project would redevelop

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and underutilized commercial property

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and reuse an existing parking lot,

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and the proposal would create additional housing

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in a growing area.

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This item was heard by the planning board at their

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November 13th, uh, public hearing.

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There were no speakers in opposition.

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And following the public hearing,

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the planning board voted unanimously to recommend approval.

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Mr. Scott Wallace, the petitioner is here if you have any

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questions and I'm also available.

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Any questions for Kurt? Alrighty,

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Thank you. Thank you.

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This is a public hearing

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and speakers will have up to 15 minutes total

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to speak in favor of this request

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and up to 15 minutes total to speak in opposition.

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Is there anyone wishing to speak in favor of the petition?

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Just let us know your name and address and we're good.

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Good evening. My name is Scott Wallace.

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I'm, uh, co-founder and president of Keystone Group.

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Uh, we do business as Keystone Homes,

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and we have our office address at 37 0 8 Alliance Drive in

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Greensboro, uh, 2 7 4 0 7.

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And I'm generally here just to, to answer any questions

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and that you may specifically have.

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Uh, we have, we did develop, uh,

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Wallburg landings some decade and a half ago,

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and it's been a really great project for us.

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And we also developed the retail there

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where McDonald's is in the other area.

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And we, we've been trying to sell this lot as a retail for,

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for a decade and a half, plus or minus,

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and it just, uh, wasn't, uh, wasn't in the cards.

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And, uh, it just kind of makes a lot of sense to, uh,

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to build additional housing homes for, for, uh, for the area

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and to be able to utilize the amenities

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that we already have in place.

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And, uh, we're just like to do another, uh, a small project

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to really long-term successful project.

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So I'm available to answer any questions.

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I love to answer any questions.

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Uh, and I, I know a little bit what happened in 25,

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but I probably won't be here at the end, so thank you.

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All right, thank you. Anyone else

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wishing to speak in favor.

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Is there anyone wishing

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to speak in opposition to the petition?

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I declare the public hearing closed

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and ask if there is a motion approval.

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I have a statement to read.

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Um, motion to approve zoning map amendment F 1662

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and statement of consistency with comprehensive plan.

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A move that the zoning map amendment F 1662,

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including site plan

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and special use district permit

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be approved on the basis of the following.

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The proposed special use zoning map amendment as petitioned

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by Keystone Group Incorporated to

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rezone a 0.72 acre piece

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of property from HHS Highway Business.

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Special use to RM 18 s residential multi-family

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18 units per acre, special use residential building,

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multi-family residential building, town home

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and residential building.

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Duplex is consistent with the recommendations

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of the forward 20, uh, 45 comprehensive plan

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and is reasonable or in the public interest

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because number one, the subject property consisting

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of a cleared undeveloped lot

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and a parking lot is located at the southeast intersection

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of Wallburg Land Drive and Overline Drive,

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and is adjacent to property zoned RM 18

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SHBS and CS in Davidson County with adjacent

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and nearby uses

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of an apartment complex commercial businesses,

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a shopping center, and a drive-through restaurant number

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two, the proposed RM 18 is zoning is primarily intended

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to accommodate multi-family uses at a max at a maximum

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overall density of 18 units per acre in growth management

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area one and two,

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and may be suitable for growth management area three,

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where there is access to public water and sewer

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and access to a the, uh, thoroughfare.

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Three. The proposed site plan features a three story

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multifamily residential building

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with 12 apartments in a parking lot.

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Number four, the site is located in growth management area

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three and has access to public water and sewer

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and is in close proximity

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to Thomasville Road, a thoroughfare.

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And number five, the proposed use is consistent

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with the forward 2045 comprehensive plan,

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which recommends infield development in areas

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with public services

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and the south suburban area plan update,

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which encourages a variety of housing types

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and the redevelopment of underutilized commercial sites.

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And the proposed use is consistent

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with the adjacent apartment complex and other surrounding

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and nearby uses. This is a motion

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And I'm assuming that both, uh, commissioner Bessey

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and uh, commissioner Wilson will second that.

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Yes. Alright. Any, any discussion?

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All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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Motion carries unanimously. Next item.

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The agenda is approval of the minutes, um, for the meeting.

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Excuse me, I skipped one.

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Next item of the agenda is a resolution approving the 2026

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Commissioner's Committee appointment summary.

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Um, we looked at that Monday. Any, do we have a motion?

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Move to approve. Second.

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Motion to approve by Commissioner McDaniel.

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Second by Commissioner Bessie.

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Any discussion on, in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye.

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Now the next item, the agenda is approval of a minutes

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for the meeting of December the fourth,

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2025 to have a motion.

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Motion. Third. Motion approve by Commissioner McDaniel.

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Second, second. Second

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by Commissioner Bessey and vice chair.

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Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye.

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Uh, motion carries unanimously.

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Uh, Madam Clerk, do we have any calls

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or cards for the public session?

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Mr. Chairman, we have four speaker cards

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and one caller. Where would you like to start?

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Um, why, why don't we do the one caller? Okay.

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It's been online for a while.

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You are now available. Thank you.

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Appointment summary.

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Uh, we looked at that Monday. Any grab a

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Motion? Hello, ma'am,

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do you mind turning the volume down

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on your TV or, yes.

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Thank you. Thank you for calling the Forsyth County Board

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of Commissioners Public Session Line.

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Please state your name and address for the record.

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Isha Harris. What's your address, ma'am?

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It's 10 21 Monmouth Loop,

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airing North Carolina 2 7 5 1 3.

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Thank you. You have three minutes to speak. You may begin.

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Thank you. Good evening, commissioners.

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My name is Danisha Harris.

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Like many of you, I wear many hats.

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I've worked in local government procurement

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and finance for almost 20 years.

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I also serve as the president

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of the North Carolina Coordinators Network,

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a statewide nonprofit that provides education

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and resources to support economic development in

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North Carolina, which is why I'm calling you today.

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Our mission is to promote prosperity for all

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through economic inclusion

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and competitive procurement strategies that lead

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to value added returns across sectors.

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We do this by providing data informed solutions

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that center intentional economic growth.

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And that is why I'm calling you tonight.

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Forsyth County is a thriving hub of commerce

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and community with its educational assets, strong legacy

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of industry and thriving center of entrepreneurship.

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ForSight is a great place to live, work, and play.

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Despite what some may believe,

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local government plays a key role in that growth

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by stewarding tax dollars that are used

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to provide necessary goods

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and services to the residents of the county.

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Every dollar put into the coffers of vendors

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who provide goods and services needed

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to operate the county leads to expansion, job creation,

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and additional economic activity,

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including tax revenue back to the government.

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Concurrently, ForSight must also take into consideration its

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method of procuring these services.

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Inclusive procurement practices are proven to lead

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to better prices, better value, and enhanced innovation.

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As you consider your procurement

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and economic development strategy, I offer the power

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of economic inclusion, including small, minority

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and women-owned firms in your procurement practices,

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not just in construction,

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but procurement across all categories.

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It does drive down prices, increase quality and innovation,

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and also allows more firms an opportunity

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to grow and to thrive.

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A recent economic impact study conducted by Dr.

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Fred McKinney concluded that diverse minority

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and women-owned firms add 2.6 billion with a b dollars

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of economic impact to the state of North Carolina.

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Last, last year, 54,000 jobs were created.

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Half of those jobs were with non-diverse firms.

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On the county level, every dollar

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that you invest in diverse firms generates $20

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and 97 cents and sales, $41

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and 84 cents an economic impact and also returns $3

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and 25 cents in tax revenue.

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In summary, economic inclusion doubles

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your return on investment.

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Every dollar you get $2 back.

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I hope that you consider this strategy

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for intentional prosperity for all. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker is Donald Stewart. Please come forward.

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State your name and address for the record.

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Um, I'm Donald Stewart.

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I live at 1160 Rural Hall, Germans and Road.

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And I'm just here to say thank you, especially to Gloria.

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She's helped me through a 25 year journey, Dudley Watts,

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who helped push our water project over the top.

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And Kyle and Kirby, they helped us very much.

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Uh, it was a 25 year struggle, I think was one

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of the first projects that Gloria took on,

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but, uh, we finally got it over the top.

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I wanna thank Richard and Dan for coming out to our meeting.

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Uh, and like I say, it's been a, it's been a challenge,

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been a struggle, but we finally got there

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and I again, thank you.

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Um, not to be sounding negative

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and unappreciative, uh, there is a smaller project

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that could be extended and,

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and I wish it could have been part of this project,

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but I'm just thankful we got what we got.

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But Crestbrook Road there, there in as much need for, um,

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the county water as we were.

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Uh, they have some houses, four houses on a well.

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Um, we have two major landfills, uh,

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that were there for.

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They started in 81 of them, it was a six acre, um,

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uh, footprint.

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And then there's another 35 AC acres that kind

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of surrounds our area

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and being on, uh, well, water is not safe

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because these landfills are not live

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and, uh, they flow right into a creek.

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But, um, again, I'm very grateful for

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what you guys did five years ago

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when we started this project.

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And very thankful to you, Lord. Thank

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You.

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And, uh, I hope, uh, you know, if there's any funds that

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there's other parts of the county.

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Just because we're out in the county

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and we're rural, uh, doesn't mean we, we don't have needs.

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Uh, and I think a lot of times we kind

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of overlooked as far as when it comes to the same services

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that other people get in the county.

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Uh, I'd say this,

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this is our only service that we really get.

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I mean, uh, as, as the water and worked on it for 25 years.

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Glory. Thank you.

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Next speaker is Alan Daniel. Please come forward.

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State your name and address for the record.

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Good evening, all. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

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Regarding the Tanglewood Business Park,

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I've sent you all volumes

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of emails detailing the negative impacts of developing

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that property to our little corner of heaven.

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So I won't belabor those.

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I urge you with all my being to include

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that property into Tanglewood Park.

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With 500 units to be built across the road,

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our 700 units in our community, plus the thousands of people

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who visit Tanglewood Park every year,

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it would be a great asset.

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It's not often that doing nothing is the right thing to do,

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but this is one such opportunity.

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Anything else that you do will be detrimental

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to our little corner of heaven in terms of quality of life

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And the tax base negatively impacting the tax base

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of the entire county.

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Regarding the open gate scanners

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that I just learned today was on the agenda, I urge you not

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to pour more money into this project.

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At West Forsyth, there are 13 buildings each

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with two entrances.

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It currently requires over 90 staff members

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to man open gate scanners at three of those 26 entrances

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and takes close to an hour.

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To my knowledge, no weapons have ever been caught in

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any scanning system.

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The only ones that come close is a high school student

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ditched a weapon in a trash can

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outside the front of the building.

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When he realized scanners were being used,

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he was turned in by a student.

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Since scanner use began,

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we have had a gun go off in a cafeteria book bag.

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We've had students shot outside the campus

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at dismissal time.

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Two, at least two guns

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and multiple gun parts have been found on campus,

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and we have had at least two stabbings

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in response to questions.

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A district spokesperson said

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that it is not known whether the open gate system is

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currently calibrated,

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would've caught the knife used last Tuesday,

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had the system been used that day.

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What the district needs is not more

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machines or more programs.

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We need more accountability and we need more people.

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We need the county to take on the health piece,

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the mental health piece.

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It makes sense that mental health and support services are

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provided at the schools because that's

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where the students are.

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But just like SROs and nurses, PTs and OTs

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and social workers and psychologists should be part

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of county services provided at the schools

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and on the county's budget, not the education budget.

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A retired administrator

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with 40 years in the district has told me that 10 to 15%

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of the students in the district will not be successful

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in a traditional classroom.

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They need more support.

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That support should be provided by federal, state,

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and local government, not our teachers.

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I used to not say this in public, but it needs to be heard.

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There's nothing to keep a student from going

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through a scanner, going back out to their car or a bush

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and retrieving whatever they left and coming back on campus.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker is Mike Bari. Please come forward.

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State your name and address for the record.

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My name is Mike Barista.

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I am a candidate

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for the at lars position coming in next election cycle.

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Um, my address is 3 3 3 1 Healy Drive.

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It is, um, election season coming up.

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And, um, what you hear from all the candidates,

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they say you're doing a good job.

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They, you, you hear the candidates say to the board,

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you're doing a good job.

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Um, where were they when you was being intimidated?

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Did they have your backs when

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people were saying bad things about you?

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None of them said that.

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But now that it's election season, they're saying to you,

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you're doing a good job.

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They weren't there for you when the chips were down.

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The only person that was there for you was me.

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'cause I was saying,

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I have your backs, each and every one of you.

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When I say you're doing a good job, you know, I mean it.

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When they say they're doing a good job,

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they're just looking for votes.

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So I don't want you to, um,

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believe what they say

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or the candidates that are gonna come up here

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and say, you're doing a good job.

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They're doing it for votes

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because they was not here

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by your side when you was being intimidated.

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When you was being called out,

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they didn't say nothing to you.

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I was the only one that said that.

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And that's all I have to say, sir.

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Made the better man win, uh, the election.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker is Valerie Benton Smith.

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Please come forward. State your

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name and address for the record.

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Valerie Benton Smith, 39 12 Glen Oak Drive, Winston-Salem.

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Good evening Chair Commissioners, distinct guest

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and family friends on behalf of my parents, Mr.

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And Mrs. Leroy Benton and Sine Benton, mom

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and dad, I extend our heartfelt gratitude

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to the Forsyth County Board of Commissioners

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for this meaningful recognition.

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Thank you for taking the time to see, honor

523
00:40:52,845 --> 00:40:55,585
and celebrate lives dedicated to service.

524
00:40:56,625 --> 00:40:59,945
A special thank you to Commissioner Tanya McDaniel

525
00:41:00,205 --> 00:41:01,825
for your acknowledgement, leadership

526
00:41:01,845 --> 00:41:04,705
and commitment to recognizing community legacy.

527
00:41:05,495 --> 00:41:06,865
Your support reflects

528
00:41:06,865 --> 00:41:08,705
what it truly means to serve the people.

529
00:41:09,335 --> 00:41:11,545
Special thanks to Commissioner Dan Bessy

530
00:41:11,685 --> 00:41:15,385
for your warm greetings to dur during the ribbon cutting

531
00:41:15,945 --> 00:41:17,585
ceremony on December 21st.

532
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:19,905
Your presence adds significance

533
00:41:20,125 --> 00:41:22,225
and honor to this historic occasion.

534
00:41:23,205 --> 00:41:25,465
We also extend sincere appreciation

535
00:41:25,465 --> 00:41:26,905
to the city of Winston-Salem.

536
00:41:27,195 --> 00:41:30,745
Mayor Allen joins council member Barbara Haynes Burke

537
00:41:31,005 --> 00:41:34,885
and the dedicated city staff for the proclamation of Leroy

538
00:41:35,025 --> 00:41:36,445
and Foste Benson Day

539
00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:38,885
and the honorary Street naming ceremony.

540
00:41:39,515 --> 00:41:42,205
This is just not an honor for our family.

541
00:41:42,385 --> 00:41:43,685
It is a moment that belongs

542
00:41:43,685 --> 00:41:46,125
to the entire Monticello Park community.

543
00:41:47,045 --> 00:41:51,085
I am, I believe deeply in giving people their flowers. Now.

544
00:41:51,825 --> 00:41:53,925
My parents never served for recognition.

545
00:41:54,375 --> 00:41:57,525
Their actions were never about applause or praise.

546
00:41:58,235 --> 00:42:01,405
They lived with a sense of duty to the solution,

547
00:42:02,225 --> 00:42:06,925
to be solution oriented, responsible, loving, and pr

548
00:42:06,985 --> 00:42:08,485
and present for their neighbors.

549
00:42:09,265 --> 00:42:12,245
My parents are known not by titles,

550
00:42:12,305 --> 00:42:15,285
but by consistent action, generosity,

551
00:42:15,705 --> 00:42:17,125
and genuine care for others.

552
00:42:17,665 --> 00:42:20,485
For decades, their home has been a place of warmth,

553
00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:22,565
safety, and connection.

554
00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:24,365
A true neighborhood hub.

555
00:42:25,075 --> 00:42:27,725
They were recognized twice by the city of Winston Salem

556
00:42:27,725 --> 00:42:29,565
for beautification, known

557
00:42:29,585 --> 00:42:31,885
for their signature knockout pink roses

558
00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:33,965
and water fountain that brought beauty

559
00:42:34,345 --> 00:42:35,685
and pride to the street.

560
00:42:36,675 --> 00:42:39,085
Through their faith at Macedonia Worship Center,

561
00:42:39,615 --> 00:42:41,045
their service never stopped.

562
00:42:41,385 --> 00:42:43,965
My father, a retired RJ Reynolds employee

563
00:42:44,105 --> 00:42:46,725
and automotive professional was always

564
00:42:47,285 --> 00:42:49,125
offering a helping hand, whether living,

565
00:42:49,595 --> 00:42:54,045
whether fixing a car, repairing a home, or teaching life

566
00:42:54,145 --> 00:42:56,005
and automotive skills to young people.

567
00:42:56,785 --> 00:42:59,285
My mother also retired from RJ Reynolds

568
00:42:59,345 --> 00:43:01,685
and a caregiver by trade is remembered

569
00:43:01,685 --> 00:43:03,005
for her southern hospitality,

570
00:43:03,545 --> 00:43:05,445
her legendary sweet potato pies.

571
00:43:05,705 --> 00:43:07,005
And for checking on the sick

572
00:43:07,025 --> 00:43:11,245
and shut in making sure everyone felt seen, valued,

573
00:43:11,895 --> 00:43:13,365
heard, and cared for.

574
00:43:13,875 --> 00:43:15,325
This is simply how they lived.

575
00:43:15,755 --> 00:43:18,485
They were not only exceptional parents to me

576
00:43:18,505 --> 00:43:20,805
and my late brother, foster l Benton,

577
00:43:20,985 --> 00:43:25,205
but also enduring role models for an entire community.

578
00:43:25,655 --> 00:43:27,645
Their lives remind us that it is all

579
00:43:27,785 --> 00:43:31,805
of our social responsibility to look out for one another

580
00:43:32,065 --> 00:43:35,325
and to make a difference Right where we live today,

581
00:43:35,745 --> 00:43:40,285
we celebrate 66 years of marriage, 71 years together.

582
00:43:40,865 --> 00:43:43,205
And the distinction of being the oldest

583
00:43:43,745 --> 00:43:47,925
living couple on their street, a living testimony to love,

584
00:43:48,295 --> 00:43:49,645
commitment, and faith.

585
00:43:49,975 --> 00:43:53,125
Their legacy continues through their grandchildren,

586
00:43:54,225 --> 00:43:56,645
great-grandchildren, and our entire family.

587
00:43:56,905 --> 00:43:59,645
And with the loving support of my husband, Michael,

588
00:43:59,945 --> 00:44:02,125
who stands proudly with us today,

589
00:44:02,985 --> 00:44:07,325
you all are warmly invited to join us at the Ribbon cutting

590
00:44:07,845 --> 00:44:09,365
ceremony, proclamation,

591
00:44:09,885 --> 00:44:12,645
honorary street naming ceremony and dinner.

592
00:44:12,675 --> 00:44:16,005
Immediately following, we invite you to wear black

593
00:44:16,005 --> 00:44:19,965
with accents of red symbolizing love, legacy, and honor.

594
00:44:20,415 --> 00:44:24,565
Again, this is Sunday, December 21st at 2:00 PM Again,

595
00:44:24,865 --> 00:44:29,565
on behalf of my parents, Leroy and ine Benton, mom

596
00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:30,805
and dad, thank you.

597
00:44:31,345 --> 00:44:34,485
Congratulations. We salute you. We love you.

598
00:44:37,135 --> 00:44:38,245
Thank you. I think, uh,

599
00:44:38,245 --> 00:44:40,885
commissioner McDaniel has something to give you.

600
00:44:44,155 --> 00:44:46,795
Valerie, on behalf of the Forsyth County Commissioners,

601
00:44:47,055 --> 00:44:51,155
we present you today and your parents, Leroy

602
00:44:51,255 --> 00:44:54,075
and Faine Benton in recognition

603
00:44:54,335 --> 00:44:57,555
and celebration of their 66th anniversary,

604
00:44:58,035 --> 00:44:59,875
honoring community, legacy

605
00:45:00,335 --> 00:45:04,195
and impact on this 2025 presented

606
00:45:04,195 --> 00:45:06,195
by the Board of Commissioners. Thank you.

607
00:45:07,085 --> 00:45:07,715
Thank you.

608
00:45:15,215 --> 00:45:17,275
Pardon us for a minute. We're gonna get a photo.

609
00:45:17,865 --> 00:45:18,865
Just give us

610
00:45:22,375 --> 00:45:23,375
See you later.

611
00:46:24,055 --> 00:46:24,685
Thank you. All

612
00:46:29,025 --> 00:46:29,445
you can.

613
00:46:37,225 --> 00:46:40,005
Mr. Chairman, our last speaker is Marcy West.

614
00:46:40,105 --> 00:46:41,365
Please come forward. State

615
00:46:41,365 --> 00:46:42,445
your name and address for the record.

616
00:46:47,285 --> 00:46:48,915
Good Evening Commissioners.

617
00:46:49,045 --> 00:46:52,435
Marcy West, 3, 3, 1, Carolina Circle, Winston-Salem,

618
00:46:52,435 --> 00:46:54,675
candidate for County Commissioner and District B.

619
00:46:55,115 --> 00:46:58,195
I wanted to come and speak about the open Gates request

620
00:46:58,195 --> 00:46:59,515
that, um, that's come in.

621
00:46:59,995 --> 00:47:03,275
I, I was here when the initial presentation was made on the

622
00:47:03,275 --> 00:47:05,715
open gates, and I remember hearing

623
00:47:05,715 --> 00:47:06,755
that it took fewer people.

624
00:47:06,995 --> 00:47:09,035
I thought it sounded like a really good idea.

625
00:47:09,195 --> 00:47:11,715
I was glad to hear that you made that commitment to that.

626
00:47:12,475 --> 00:47:14,835
I was very, very disappointed to hear

627
00:47:14,905 --> 00:47:17,595
that those are not in use on a regular basis.

628
00:47:18,215 --> 00:47:21,875
Um, and so now that there is a new request that's coming in

629
00:47:21,875 --> 00:47:24,995
that's saying we need new open gates, um,

630
00:47:25,065 --> 00:47:27,595
with a $1.8 million price tag,

631
00:47:27,745 --> 00:47:30,485
that price tag is actually significantly below

632
00:47:30,595 --> 00:47:33,205
what the real price tag is for that particular thing.

633
00:47:33,715 --> 00:47:36,005
What we need to do is actually come up

634
00:47:36,005 --> 00:47:37,285
with an actual process

635
00:47:37,465 --> 00:47:39,845
and a procedure for how those open gates

636
00:47:39,845 --> 00:47:41,605
that are currently here are used.

637
00:47:42,265 --> 00:47:43,725
Um, who is manning those.

638
00:47:44,025 --> 00:47:46,565
How to make sure that guns and knives

639
00:47:46,785 --> 00:47:49,885
and things are, are actually found with that

640
00:47:50,545 --> 00:47:53,765
before we actually make any additional commitments in

641
00:47:53,875 --> 00:47:55,165
equipment or people.

642
00:47:55,665 --> 00:47:57,645
And so I, I urge you to make sure

643
00:47:57,645 --> 00:47:59,965
that you find out everything you need to know about this

644
00:48:00,425 --> 00:48:02,565
and, and there should be an absolute requirement

645
00:48:02,595 --> 00:48:06,085
that these systems are being used as opposed to

646
00:48:06,595 --> 00:48:07,965
just buying them and having them.

647
00:48:07,995 --> 00:48:09,685
That doesn't make anybody any safer.

648
00:48:10,425 --> 00:48:12,285
Um, the other thing I did wanna do is

649
00:48:12,805 --> 00:48:16,005
I did wanna thank the commissioners, the county manager,

650
00:48:16,665 --> 00:48:18,525
and the staff for the service

651
00:48:18,555 --> 00:48:20,565
that you have done over the course of the past year.

652
00:48:21,005 --> 00:48:23,525
I wanna wish you a very happy holiday season.

653
00:48:24,185 --> 00:48:26,285
Um, and I will see you next year. Thank you.

654
00:48:30,685 --> 00:48:33,765
Alrighty, Madam County manager, please continue

655
00:48:33,765 --> 00:48:36,045
with the remainder of the business items.

656
00:48:36,655 --> 00:48:38,165
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and good afternoon.

657
00:48:38,235 --> 00:48:40,805
Good evening, commissioner staff and guests.

658
00:48:41,025 --> 00:48:43,485
The agenda items before you have been briefed

659
00:48:43,485 --> 00:48:44,965
and hopefully questions answered.

660
00:48:45,385 --> 00:48:48,725
Agenda item number five is a resolution adopting an updated

661
00:48:48,725 --> 00:48:50,165
countywide procurement policy.

662
00:48:50,625 --> 00:48:53,805
Um, there were suggestions provided by Chair Martin, um,

663
00:48:54,145 --> 00:48:56,725
and as well as commissioner, um, Woodbury.

664
00:48:57,065 --> 00:49:01,405
Um, but the current, um, update is essentially what, um,

665
00:49:01,565 --> 00:49:02,565
staff had recommended

666
00:49:04,345 --> 00:49:06,525
or what's on the agenda is what staff had recommended.

667
00:49:06,865 --> 00:49:08,725
Yes. And I, I have, uh, thank you.

668
00:49:08,805 --> 00:49:10,325
I I I wanna make a short motion

669
00:49:10,425 --> 00:49:13,565
and perhaps, uh, um, um, commissioner, uh,

670
00:49:13,625 --> 00:49:14,805
uh, Woodbury like to too.

671
00:49:14,825 --> 00:49:18,445
But, um, I presented, basically I had a chance to talk to,

672
00:49:18,625 --> 00:49:19,765
uh, James Anderson.

673
00:49:19,825 --> 00:49:22,925
He was, uh, actually we exchanged three different emails,

674
00:49:23,585 --> 00:49:27,805
um, about, uh, particularly the, um, CM at risk, uh,

675
00:49:28,105 --> 00:49:29,205
uh, bidding process.

676
00:49:30,025 --> 00:49:32,725
And I'm certainly satisfied with that conversation.

677
00:49:32,825 --> 00:49:37,045
And also the, um, part of the notes from, um, our attorney,

678
00:49:37,045 --> 00:49:39,765
Gordon Watkins and taking that off my list.

679
00:49:39,905 --> 00:49:42,405
And I've had some other conversations about

680
00:49:43,265 --> 00:49:44,765
the three items that were left.

681
00:49:45,345 --> 00:49:48,445
Two of them are, in fact, I think our specs,

682
00:49:48,675 --> 00:49:51,165
current bidding specs address one of them

683
00:49:51,545 --> 00:49:53,525
and I'm certainly willing to withdraw it.

684
00:49:53,905 --> 00:49:57,685
And there's another one about, um, the $300,000 limit.

685
00:49:58,305 --> 00:50:01,845
And I think that one is, we've had, we've had

686
00:50:01,845 --> 00:50:03,965
that discussion and I think that I'm fine with that.

687
00:50:03,965 --> 00:50:06,085
However, there is one item

688
00:50:06,155 --> 00:50:08,845
that is on page nine, a paragraph.

689
00:50:08,955 --> 00:50:10,205
It's short. I'll read it.

690
00:50:10,665 --> 00:50:14,005
Um, that I would just, my motion is simply to remove

691
00:50:14,005 --> 00:50:15,645
that paragraph, particularly

692
00:50:15,655 --> 00:50:20,645
after the discussion we had on Monday about the current, uh,

693
00:50:20,705 --> 00:50:22,805
sta current staffing levels, um,

694
00:50:22,985 --> 00:50:25,085
at our city county purchasing department.

695
00:50:25,425 --> 00:50:26,925
And that paragraph that I would like

696
00:50:26,925 --> 00:50:28,845
to have stricken just simply says,

697
00:50:29,265 --> 00:50:31,005
for contracts under 50,000,

698
00:50:31,025 --> 00:50:33,485
the department can send out the work specifications

699
00:50:33,545 --> 00:50:35,325
to potential providers by email

700
00:50:35,785 --> 00:50:39,365
and request pricing for contracts over $50,000.

701
00:50:39,505 --> 00:50:42,125
The department should use purchasing to ensure

702
00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:44,165
that it's casting a broad net in order

703
00:50:44,165 --> 00:50:45,565
to receive the best pricing

704
00:50:46,195 --> 00:50:49,725
with help from purchasing the department should prepare a

705
00:50:49,725 --> 00:50:51,405
request for proposals, RFP,

706
00:50:51,405 --> 00:50:54,325
which is also sometimes called an invitation for bids.

707
00:50:54,785 --> 00:50:57,485
I'd just like to suggest that paragraph be removed in light

708
00:50:57,485 --> 00:50:58,525
of the discussion on Monday.

709
00:50:59,585 --> 00:51:00,845
Is there a second to that? Second?

710
00:51:01,625 --> 00:51:04,165
Um, second by commissioner, uh, vice chair Heim.

711
00:51:04,545 --> 00:51:05,645
Um, any discussion

712
00:51:05,865 --> 00:51:06,865
Mi mr. Chairman, if,

713
00:51:06,865 --> 00:51:09,565
if I make a, a quick comment on that, I'm,

714
00:51:09,665 --> 00:51:11,565
I'm okay with taking that out.

715
00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:13,525
Uh, if you do, I just notice

716
00:51:13,595 --> 00:51:17,125
that the prior paragraph talks about, um, bidding

717
00:51:17,125 --> 00:51:19,005
for services over $50,000.

718
00:51:19,545 --> 00:51:22,885
And so if, if that next paragraph is taken out,

719
00:51:23,485 --> 00:51:27,285
I would request that just the phrase over 50,000 be also

720
00:51:27,285 --> 00:51:28,485
taken out from the prior paragraph.

721
00:51:28,485 --> 00:51:31,205
From the previous paragraph. Thank you. I agree with that.

722
00:51:31,275 --> 00:51:32,285
Include that in my motion.

723
00:51:32,445 --> 00:51:35,285
I sure you'll second that discussion.

724
00:51:35,555 --> 00:51:37,725
Yeah. Um, I just had one question

725
00:51:37,945 --> 00:51:41,325
and that's for, um, uh, manager Robinson.

726
00:51:41,785 --> 00:51:44,925
Is there a reason that staff, uh,

727
00:51:45,155 --> 00:51:47,845
made a contrary recommendation, um, on this?

728
00:51:48,625 --> 00:51:51,405
Um, yes, but I would say, uh, I'm okay with,

729
00:51:51,585 --> 00:51:52,765
um, striking it.

730
00:51:52,845 --> 00:51:54,565
I mean, it's not gonna necessarily change

731
00:51:54,585 --> 00:51:55,805
the way in which we operate.

732
00:51:55,805 --> 00:51:59,325
We do, um, try to use, um, city county purchasing

733
00:51:59,465 --> 00:52:01,205
for informal bids whenever we can.

734
00:52:01,665 --> 00:52:05,005
We just don't wanna be locked in, um, uh,

735
00:52:05,105 --> 00:52:06,965
to using them if they don't have the capacity.

736
00:52:07,185 --> 00:52:09,125
We have to for formal bids anyway.

737
00:52:09,225 --> 00:52:11,565
So removing it doesn't really

738
00:52:12,075 --> 00:52:14,725
necessarily do any, um, harm.

739
00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:15,965
So I'm okay with it. Alright.

740
00:52:15,965 --> 00:52:17,645
So it doesn't complicate your processes.

741
00:52:17,825 --> 00:52:19,485
No, sir. But thank you for asking. And

742
00:52:19,485 --> 00:52:21,085
It's consistent with the statute Exactly.

743
00:52:21,265 --> 00:52:23,325
Cor Correct. It's also consistent with the statute,

744
00:52:23,455 --> 00:52:26,045
which is what I'm always most concerned about.

745
00:52:26,145 --> 00:52:27,145
So I'm okay with that.

746
00:52:29,265 --> 00:52:30,725
Um, any other discussion?

747
00:52:31,105 --> 00:52:32,405
Um, I would like to,

748
00:52:33,345 --> 00:52:35,645
and I guess this would be the best time for me to ask

749
00:52:35,645 --> 00:52:39,805
for some consideration around, um, some of the, um,

750
00:52:40,445 --> 00:52:42,765
MWB hub, um,

751
00:52:44,025 --> 00:52:45,525
for our procurement policy.

752
00:52:45,585 --> 00:52:47,725
And I, and I have spoken with Mr.

753
00:52:47,885 --> 00:52:52,245
Redfield today as it relates to, um, some of, um,

754
00:52:52,245 --> 00:52:53,445
what was recommended

755
00:52:53,625 --> 00:52:55,005
and he may want to, um,

756
00:52:55,115 --> 00:52:57,485
come up just in case anybody have any questions.

757
00:52:57,625 --> 00:53:00,085
But, um, I think that

758
00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:04,365
after speaking with him, if we would consider, um,

759
00:53:04,425 --> 00:53:09,005
in section two, the, um, a solicitation

760
00:53:09,185 --> 00:53:11,405
of at least two certified hub

761
00:53:11,545 --> 00:53:16,285
or MWBE firms when available, um, could,

762
00:53:16,625 --> 00:53:20,765
um, definitely I think benefit our procurement policy.

763
00:53:21,145 --> 00:53:24,245
And then, um, I spoke

764
00:53:24,265 --> 00:53:28,605
to him about the discretionary spending, which is, um,

765
00:53:28,825 --> 00:53:32,645
at our discretion as a county, it, you know, it it does not,

766
00:53:33,545 --> 00:53:36,845
you know, um, technically violate any of the state

767
00:53:36,845 --> 00:53:39,805
of federal since, um, it's under 30,000.

768
00:53:40,105 --> 00:53:41,685
And I think, um,

769
00:53:41,775 --> 00:53:44,805
after speaking with him, I would like to recommend

770
00:53:44,835 --> 00:53:49,765
that if there's going to be, um, at least three quotes, um,

771
00:53:50,385 --> 00:53:53,765
for, um, this type of discretionary spending that at least

772
00:53:54,385 --> 00:53:55,645
one quote, um,

773
00:53:56,355 --> 00:53:59,685
include from a small MWBE or hub firm.

774
00:54:02,105 --> 00:54:04,445
Are, are you making that as a substitute motion?

775
00:54:05,745 --> 00:54:09,455
Yes. Um, is there a second for the substitute motion?

776
00:54:11,805 --> 00:54:16,415
Well, I would like for, um, our county attorney

777
00:54:16,515 --> 00:54:18,775
to kinda weigh in on if you could please.

778
00:54:19,015 --> 00:54:20,975
'cause I don't have any of this information. Well,

779
00:54:21,055 --> 00:54:22,735
Well, we, I think we, we should have a second

780
00:54:22,795 --> 00:54:24,255
before we have discussion.

781
00:54:24,395 --> 00:54:26,655
So are, are you seconding it to get that discussion? Well,

782
00:54:26,655 --> 00:54:27,735
I can't second something I don't understand.

783
00:54:28,245 --> 00:54:30,215
Yeah. I'm not clear on any of this

784
00:54:30,215 --> 00:54:32,055
because I don't have the information

785
00:54:32,055 --> 00:54:33,215
in front of me to make that

786
00:54:33,715 --> 00:54:36,815
Second then, then in that case,

787
00:54:37,455 --> 00:54:40,335
I will second her motion just so we can have the discussion.

788
00:54:43,195 --> 00:54:46,715
I I think we briefly discussed this on Monday.

789
00:54:47,095 --> 00:54:48,755
And, um, we,

790
00:54:50,175 --> 00:54:53,275
my preference personally would be if this is something the

791
00:54:53,275 --> 00:54:56,435
board wants to study, that we, we be allowed

792
00:54:56,435 --> 00:54:57,675
to study it as a staff.

793
00:54:57,795 --> 00:55:01,555
I will say there will be significant staff time

794
00:55:01,555 --> 00:55:03,595
that would have to be devoted to going out

795
00:55:03,615 --> 00:55:06,795
and getting these minority bids for every single services,

796
00:55:08,415 --> 00:55:10,515
uh, proposal under $30,000.

797
00:55:10,745 --> 00:55:12,595
It's not required by statute.

798
00:55:13,015 --> 00:55:16,595
Um, it, it is something we could probably do.

799
00:55:16,815 --> 00:55:18,875
I'm not really sure what we would do with that.

800
00:55:18,995 --> 00:55:20,155
I mean, it's, it's good.

801
00:55:20,175 --> 00:55:22,875
We, we try to make these opportunities open to everyone

802
00:55:22,895 --> 00:55:24,795
and certainly outreach is a good thing.

803
00:55:25,455 --> 00:55:28,755
We, we obviously couldn't, um, say you have

804
00:55:28,755 --> 00:55:30,475
to hire a minority or women business.

805
00:55:30,475 --> 00:55:32,035
And I know that's not what the motion says,

806
00:55:32,655 --> 00:55:34,795
but I, I believe this was something

807
00:55:34,825 --> 00:55:36,555
that would need some more study

808
00:55:36,615 --> 00:55:39,915
before we, you know, put it into our procurement policy.

809
00:55:40,975 --> 00:55:43,315
That's all I would like for Mr.

810
00:55:43,435 --> 00:55:47,395
Redfield maybe to come up to, um, provide some insight

811
00:55:47,395 --> 00:55:51,795
around what the city could do to support, um,

812
00:55:53,175 --> 00:55:54,715
um, the request

813
00:55:54,775 --> 00:55:58,995
to at have at least one MWB small firm be considered

814
00:55:59,015 --> 00:56:00,795
for the discretionary spending and,

815
00:56:00,895 --> 00:56:05,355
and how the city could support that with, um, its software

816
00:56:05,495 --> 00:56:07,715
or the resources that you all have.

817
00:56:07,985 --> 00:56:09,035
Sure. Uh, Darren Redfield,

818
00:56:09,035 --> 00:56:10,275
purchasing manager, good evening.

819
00:56:10,655 --> 00:56:14,195
Um, yes, I believe that we have, for services in particular,

820
00:56:14,335 --> 00:56:17,595
we have pretty extensive bid list from bidding services

821
00:56:17,735 --> 00:56:18,915
for the county and the city.

822
00:56:18,975 --> 00:56:21,955
So we already have vendor lists that include MWBEs.

823
00:56:22,175 --> 00:56:23,645
So we have those minorities there.

824
00:56:24,065 --> 00:56:26,325
Uh, second resource is the hub website,

825
00:56:26,385 --> 00:56:28,845
and we can do some quick tutorials

826
00:56:28,845 --> 00:56:30,285
and teach staff how to use that

827
00:56:30,305 --> 00:56:31,885
to quickly search under the

828
00:56:31,885 --> 00:56:33,885
commodities that we're looking for.

829
00:56:33,885 --> 00:56:36,285
This would be a work in progress as if we do a bid,

830
00:56:36,555 --> 00:56:38,005
then we'd be looking for the vendors

831
00:56:38,005 --> 00:56:39,125
there if we don't have any.

832
00:56:39,545 --> 00:56:42,325
And then the third resource is the county software,

833
00:56:42,325 --> 00:56:43,445
which is B two G.

834
00:56:43,505 --> 00:56:47,045
Now it's a national diversity software that we paid for,

835
00:56:47,045 --> 00:56:50,085
and the county could perhaps procure that on their own

836
00:56:50,625 --> 00:56:52,725
as a database to, to find vendors.

837
00:56:53,205 --> 00:56:55,645
I don't know if you can add on to ours, you probably have

838
00:56:55,645 --> 00:56:58,405
to get your own, but they'd have to be somebody that's,

839
00:56:58,505 --> 00:57:01,445
you know, over that, to find those vendors if you

840
00:57:01,445 --> 00:57:02,485
designate a staff person.

841
00:57:02,625 --> 00:57:05,005
But those are available where we can,

842
00:57:05,125 --> 00:57:07,925
I believe we can quickly get bid lists together.

843
00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:10,765
So when we do solicitation, if we're just required

844
00:57:10,765 --> 00:57:11,765
to reach out to one

845
00:57:11,825 --> 00:57:15,325
or two MWBEs, I believe we can do that as a work in progress

846
00:57:15,865 --> 00:57:19,565
as we go through the bids without slowing things down.

847
00:57:20,845 --> 00:57:23,945
Uh, discussion. Yeah, so the discussion, um,

848
00:57:25,345 --> 00:57:28,065
I don't think that most of us have clarity with exactly

849
00:57:28,255 --> 00:57:33,185
what, uh, is being proposed and the pros and cons from staff

850
00:57:33,205 --> 00:57:34,225
and legal perspective.

851
00:57:34,845 --> 00:57:38,625
Uh, which is why I suggested, uh, during the, um,

852
00:57:38,805 --> 00:57:43,185
the briefing on Monday that we ask for that just, you know,

853
00:57:43,245 --> 00:57:46,345
lay it out the, the points, the counterpoints, um,

854
00:57:46,805 --> 00:57:51,105
and consider, uh, these recommendations

855
00:57:51,605 --> 00:57:52,705
as a separate item.

856
00:57:53,405 --> 00:57:55,785
Uh, I'm concerned that, uh,

857
00:58:00,845 --> 00:58:04,945
we, we don't want to shortchange the, um,

858
00:58:05,725 --> 00:58:09,425
uh, important topic that is being, uh,

859
00:58:10,565 --> 00:58:13,905
uh, brought up through, uh, the substitute motion here,

860
00:58:14,645 --> 00:58:18,305
but I don't think that, uh, we're ready

861
00:58:18,365 --> 00:58:21,025
to make a truly informed choice on the details

862
00:58:21,445 --> 00:58:24,305
and that they will get shortchanged as a result.

863
00:58:24,765 --> 00:58:29,385
So I would prefer, again, to have this come back with a, a,

864
00:58:29,665 --> 00:58:33,625
a point by point review of the, the recommendations,

865
00:58:34,565 --> 00:58:38,425
uh, any concerns that staff or legal have about that,

866
00:58:39,005 --> 00:58:41,305
and the response to those concerns

867
00:58:41,575 --> 00:58:44,985
that we can make an informed, you know, thorough review

868
00:58:45,045 --> 00:58:46,945
and, uh, and decision on them.

869
00:58:48,295 --> 00:58:50,665
When you, when you talk about we and,

870
00:58:50,685 --> 00:58:53,265
and your discussion, are you talking about bids

871
00:58:53,265 --> 00:58:56,585
that City County purchasing is involved in being easy?

872
00:58:57,005 --> 00:59:00,425
Are you talking about all the bids that we, that deal with

873
00:59:01,015 --> 00:59:02,185
that do not come to you?

874
00:59:02,565 --> 00:59:04,665
We just got through, I mean, we have a whole lot

875
00:59:04,665 --> 00:59:05,865
of informal bidding

876
00:59:05,865 --> 00:59:07,345
and a lot of things that never come

877
00:59:07,365 --> 00:59:09,785
to City County purchasing, so I'm trying to get at

878
00:59:10,325 --> 00:59:13,865
who this is easy for, where it can easily be done.

879
00:59:14,565 --> 00:59:17,865
So we'd be using bid list for services over 30,000

880
00:59:17,885 --> 00:59:19,545
or purchases over 30,000,

881
00:59:19,565 --> 00:59:23,365
and using that same list of vendors, adding MWBEs to them

882
00:59:23,505 --> 00:59:25,805
by, with a little bit of research so that we can provide

883
00:59:25,805 --> 00:59:28,325
that back to county staff to do their own bids.

884
00:59:29,065 --> 00:59:31,725
So for the discretionary spend, I,

885
00:59:31,805 --> 00:59:32,965
I believe we already have a lot

886
00:59:32,965 --> 00:59:34,485
of these lists already have these vendors,

887
00:59:34,665 --> 00:59:36,205
so they'd have an email address

888
00:59:36,205 --> 00:59:39,885
that they could directly solicit, um, minorities and MWBEs.

889
00:59:42,985 --> 00:59:45,025
I would just, oh, go ahead. Thank you.

890
00:59:45,265 --> 00:59:50,145
I would just like to, um, say that, um, I know that,

891
00:59:50,525 --> 00:59:54,785
you know, just the, the, this process, I believe will,

892
00:59:54,885 --> 00:59:56,985
you know, continue to evolve

893
00:59:57,525 --> 01:00:02,385
and, um, I have all the faith that, you know, as a,

894
01:00:02,485 --> 01:00:06,945
as a board, we want to, um, enhance,

895
01:00:07,365 --> 01:00:10,785
um, procurement so that all of our citizens find a place

896
01:00:10,925 --> 01:00:12,025
to do business with us.

897
01:00:12,085 --> 01:00:14,185
So I, I, I don't question that

898
01:00:14,205 --> 01:00:17,145
and I do fully respect that

899
01:00:17,205 --> 01:00:20,505
as we are moving into something maybe different that we want

900
01:00:20,505 --> 01:00:22,185
to do it with all fidelity

901
01:00:22,405 --> 01:00:24,705
of getting the appropriate information.

902
01:00:25,485 --> 01:00:30,145
Um, before, um, the commissioners, I, um, um,

903
01:00:30,645 --> 01:00:33,625
did try my best to, with of course, uh,

904
01:00:33,805 --> 01:00:36,865
as everyone else in this country, the assistance with ai

905
01:00:37,045 --> 01:00:40,825
and of course, um, um, Ms. Miller who called in today

906
01:00:41,085 --> 01:00:45,785
to provide some insight from the MWB coordinators, um,

907
01:00:45,825 --> 01:00:49,905
organization to try to continue to empower this board

908
01:00:49,965 --> 01:00:54,665
around, um, what we are recommending as it relates

909
01:00:54,765 --> 01:00:59,185
to strengthening our capacity to, um, do business

910
01:00:59,185 --> 01:01:01,505
with MWBE and hub.

911
01:01:02,245 --> 01:01:05,865
Um, and so I could support

912
01:01:07,085 --> 01:01:09,145
the procurement policy today

913
01:01:09,805 --> 01:01:13,785
if there is a willingness from the commissioners to, um,

914
01:01:14,175 --> 01:01:19,025
work to get more information for, uh, more consideration.

915
01:01:19,525 --> 01:01:23,425
And obviously I think we are asking, um,

916
01:01:23,805 --> 01:01:27,785
our county attorney to provide more insight so that we can,

917
01:01:27,965 --> 01:01:29,985
you know, vote in a more informed way.

918
01:01:30,145 --> 01:01:34,625
I guess I would ask when could we get back to, um,

919
01:01:34,975 --> 01:01:36,025
this consideration?

920
01:01:37,835 --> 01:01:41,585
Would it take another two

921
01:01:41,605 --> 01:01:44,745
or three meetings, you know, by the end of January?

922
01:01:45,865 --> 01:01:47,785
I, I, I can't really say, I mean, this

923
01:01:48,645 --> 01:01:49,865
this's not really a,

924
01:01:51,665 --> 01:01:54,145
I only see sort of two recommendations.

925
01:01:54,255 --> 01:01:58,985
I've made one the solicitation of at least two certified hub

926
01:01:58,985 --> 01:02:00,345
or MWBE firms.

927
01:02:00,585 --> 01:02:05,505
I think that was for, um, under the section, um, section two

928
01:02:05,505 --> 01:02:06,785
with the procurement process.

929
01:02:07,005 --> 01:02:10,865
And then I think that, um, there was, um,

930
01:02:12,225 --> 01:02:15,865
consideration for the discretionary spending part, um,

931
01:02:15,955 --> 01:02:18,145
which we have full autonomy. Um,

932
01:02:18,245 --> 01:02:21,245
So, so it's, it's, it's not just a legal issue,

933
01:02:21,315 --> 01:02:23,085
it's also a staffing issue.

934
01:02:23,155 --> 01:02:24,445
It's a management issue.

935
01:02:24,755 --> 01:02:27,165
With all due respect to city county purchasing,

936
01:02:27,715 --> 01:02:31,445
they don't always have the availability that we would need.

937
01:02:31,945 --> 01:02:33,925
And so while they say they're willing to help us,

938
01:02:34,145 --> 01:02:36,245
I'm sure they are, and they've been a great help to us,

939
01:02:37,105 --> 01:02:39,485
but it may mean they need more staffing.

940
01:02:39,565 --> 01:02:42,125
I don't know. But that's something we'd have to look into.

941
01:02:42,185 --> 01:02:45,765
So I can't commit, there's not really a, I hear

942
01:02:45,765 --> 01:02:47,485
what you're saying, but there's not, what I've gotten

943
01:02:47,505 --> 01:02:49,485
so far is not really a focus proposal,

944
01:02:49,785 --> 01:02:53,245
but to the extent we want to make some kind of, um,

945
01:02:54,825 --> 01:02:58,725
uh, MWBE requirement for all contracts

946
01:02:59,745 --> 01:03:02,405
or all contract, I, I, anyhow, it, it would,

947
01:03:02,465 --> 01:03:03,565
it would take a little bit of time,

948
01:03:03,585 --> 01:03:05,845
but it's not just a legal issue,

949
01:03:05,875 --> 01:03:07,285
it's also a management issue.

950
01:03:07,385 --> 01:03:10,685
So I would think staff would need to get together some kind

951
01:03:10,685 --> 01:03:12,085
of committee to look into it.

952
01:03:14,425 --> 01:03:16,945
I don't, why don't we ask for a report back by date?

953
01:03:16,945 --> 01:03:17,945
Certain,

954
01:03:20,635 --> 01:03:21,635
Say that again? Report back by when?

955
01:03:21,635 --> 01:03:24,095
By date? Certain, oh, say the by

956
01:03:24,135 --> 01:03:24,655
A date. Certain,

957
01:03:24,685 --> 01:03:25,685
Yeah, a date certain.

958
01:03:25,875 --> 01:03:27,855
Um, uh, like the

959
01:03:30,355 --> 01:03:34,495
second meeting in February, that would be two months.

960
01:03:39,535 --> 01:03:41,425
Yeah. I mean, there's only one meeting in February,

961
01:03:41,445 --> 01:03:43,745
but I, I'm sorry, I think we could do it by March. Well,

962
01:03:44,035 --> 01:03:46,545
Let's, let's go back and have, we we're in the middle

963
01:03:46,545 --> 01:03:48,385
of a discussion of a substitute motion.

964
01:03:48,835 --> 01:03:51,065
Let's, let's get what the substitute motion.

965
01:03:51,945 --> 01:03:53,345
I, I, I'm hearing different things.

966
01:03:53,525 --> 01:03:55,065
So we either need to restate that

967
01:03:55,285 --> 01:03:58,265
or come up with another substitute motion.

968
01:03:58,365 --> 01:04:00,345
Mm-hmm. So we can get through this.

969
01:04:03,825 --> 01:04:05,805
So do you want me to try to restate the, um,

970
01:04:05,805 --> 01:04:09,725
substitute motion to consider adding

971
01:04:10,835 --> 01:04:15,765
also to the, um, procurement policy in section two?

972
01:04:16,945 --> 01:04:21,125
Um, that our procurement's greater than 10,000, regardless

973
01:04:21,125 --> 01:04:24,205
of category must include solicitation

974
01:04:24,205 --> 01:04:27,485
of at least two certified hub or MWBE firms.

975
01:04:27,595 --> 01:04:32,485
That is what I am proposing in that section.

976
01:04:33,345 --> 01:04:35,965
And then I don't know where the, um,

977
01:04:36,205 --> 01:04:39,485
I don't know if there's a discre discretionary spending part

978
01:04:39,625 --> 01:04:41,565
in, um, the policy that I could read.

979
01:04:41,785 --> 01:04:45,485
I'm asking, I guess there to be added, um, uh,

980
01:04:45,795 --> 01:04:47,525
part maybe in procurement where

981
01:04:47,545 --> 01:04:51,845
for all discretionary spending at least one quote be

982
01:04:51,845 --> 01:04:56,085
solicited from a, um, small MWBE hub firm.

983
01:04:58,025 --> 01:05:01,045
So you're asking for a study of those two things?

984
01:05:01,945 --> 01:05:06,165
No, not a study for it to be included into the, um,

985
01:05:06,435 --> 01:05:10,525
procurement policy by way of practice.

986
01:05:11,025 --> 01:05:13,485
So again, under section two,

987
01:05:13,485 --> 01:05:14,925
there's the procurement process.

988
01:05:15,305 --> 01:05:19,485
And so I'm asking that what be added to that as it relates

989
01:05:19,545 --> 01:05:22,205
to procurements that's greater than 10,000

990
01:05:22,835 --> 01:05:25,765
that a solicitation of at least two certified hub

991
01:05:25,825 --> 01:05:28,245
or MWBE firms added

992
01:05:28,245 --> 01:05:32,245
because it, it is not now currently in the policy.

993
01:05:34,065 --> 01:05:35,645
So does, so does everybody

994
01:05:35,655 --> 01:05:37,365
understand the substitute motion?

995
01:05:38,665 --> 01:05:42,565
Yes. Right. All in favor, please say aye.

996
01:05:43,585 --> 01:05:48,005
Aye. And all those opposed say aye. Aye. Aye.

997
01:05:49,305 --> 01:05:50,405
Motion fails.

998
01:05:51,145 --> 01:05:53,325
Mr. Chairman, I like to ask the question,

999
01:05:53,475 --> 01:05:56,245
it's the same one that I asked Thursday,

1000
01:05:57,305 --> 01:06:01,485
and that is, I asked the attorney if we,

1001
01:06:02,905 --> 01:06:07,405
the county is going by the state law

1002
01:06:07,665 --> 01:06:11,955
and you said yes, the things

1003
01:06:11,955 --> 01:06:16,555
that Miss Commissioner Wi Woodbury is talking about, is it

1004
01:06:16,615 --> 01:06:18,915
beyond what is in the state law

1005
01:06:21,765 --> 01:06:26,155
There, there's no requirement that we, um, have

1006
01:06:26,155 --> 01:06:29,115
to reach out to MWE firms for all contracts.

1007
01:06:29,185 --> 01:06:32,195
It's, it's really specifically tied more to construction.

1008
01:06:32,895 --> 01:06:37,395
Um, and I, and I would point out that, um, the policy

1009
01:06:37,615 --> 01:06:40,035
as it's written that you're considering generally

1010
01:06:40,275 --> 01:06:41,875
requires three bids.

1011
01:06:42,655 --> 01:06:46,235
Um, for, for most everything, um, over $5,000.

1012
01:06:46,935 --> 01:06:50,355
Um, this proposal would mean that two

1013
01:06:50,355 --> 01:06:52,795
of those bids would have to be MWBE. So

1014
01:06:53,315 --> 01:06:54,315
I think it's one.

1015
01:06:56,275 --> 01:06:59,135
Oh, okay. I may have misunderstood that,

1016
01:06:59,235 --> 01:07:02,295
but, um, it is not required by law to answer your question.

1017
01:07:04,155 --> 01:07:07,655
So that motion, so now we're back to the original motion,

1018
01:07:08,145 --> 01:07:10,895
which was to actually go, is

1019
01:07:10,895 --> 01:07:13,695
to remove one paragraph from page nine.

1020
01:07:14,515 --> 01:07:16,095
Um, and we, we've had a second.

1021
01:07:16,235 --> 01:07:18,495
Is there further discussion of that motion?

1022
01:07:19,675 --> 01:07:23,655
I'd like to, um, don't really want to

1023
01:07:24,355 --> 01:07:25,695
add this on to the current motion.

1024
01:07:25,795 --> 01:07:27,975
I'd like to make it as a separate motion on the same

1025
01:07:27,975 --> 01:07:29,255
topic if that's appropriate.

1026
01:07:29,835 --> 01:07:32,815
Um, but after, after we deal with the main motion.

1027
01:07:33,245 --> 01:07:34,575
Okay. We could do, we can do that.

1028
01:07:35,155 --> 01:07:39,135
So with the removal of the one paragraph with the adjustment

1029
01:07:39,135 --> 01:07:40,655
that, um, um,

1030
01:07:40,795 --> 01:07:43,495
our county attorney suggested in the previous sentence

1031
01:07:43,495 --> 01:07:47,295
of the last paragraph before that on page nine, um,

1032
01:07:47,555 --> 01:07:49,335
all in favor please say aye.

1033
01:07:50,035 --> 01:07:51,455
Aye. Those opposed?

1034
01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:56,175
No. Motion carries six to one. Mr.

1035
01:07:56,475 --> 01:07:58,295
Uh, commissioner Bessey? Yes. A second motion.

1036
01:07:58,635 --> 01:08:00,055
Um, I would like to move

1037
01:08:00,055 --> 01:08:02,655
that we request a report back from staff

1038
01:08:02,655 --> 01:08:07,215
and legal, um, uh, taking, um, you know,

1039
01:08:07,215 --> 01:08:11,735
commissioner Woodbury's recommendations, um, uh,

1040
01:08:11,925 --> 01:08:15,175
looking at those, offering any objections

1041
01:08:15,285 --> 01:08:17,525
that you may have in terms of staffing

1042
01:08:17,625 --> 01:08:20,565
or, uh, legal authority, uh,

1043
01:08:20,565 --> 01:08:24,765
give Commissioner Woodbury an opportunity to review the,

1044
01:08:24,905 --> 01:08:26,765
the objections and respond

1045
01:08:27,305 --> 01:08:29,405
and that we have that reported back to us.

1046
01:08:30,145 --> 01:08:32,125
If we're not meeting twice in February, the,

1047
01:08:32,145 --> 01:08:33,365
the first meeting in March

1048
01:08:35,175 --> 01:08:36,175
Is there a second. And

1049
01:08:36,175 --> 01:08:39,275
I would second that, um, with further discussion.

1050
01:08:39,765 --> 01:08:42,035
Thank you Commissioner Bessey for sharing that.

1051
01:08:43,275 --> 01:08:46,875
I need to be able to see this in the document.

1052
01:08:46,875 --> 01:08:48,875
Commissioner Woodberry, I wanna support you.

1053
01:08:48,995 --> 01:08:50,355
I understand where you're going with that,

1054
01:08:50,495 --> 01:08:54,875
but it's just not crafted, um, appropriately for me

1055
01:08:54,975 --> 01:08:58,395
to be able to do the research so that I'm assured

1056
01:08:58,395 --> 01:09:01,075
that we're, again, following federal and state laws

1057
01:09:01,855 --> 01:09:06,075
and, um, getting to the meat of what you are wanting

1058
01:09:06,095 --> 01:09:09,475
to procure in terms of this policy, if that makes sense.

1059
01:09:09,695 --> 01:09:12,955
Oh, it does. And I appreciate, um, those comments,

1060
01:09:12,955 --> 01:09:14,315
commissioner McDaniel.

1061
01:09:14,495 --> 01:09:18,595
And what I will say is that I think time kind of ran out on,

1062
01:09:18,855 --> 01:09:22,515
um, trying to work with, um, Gordon today to try

1063
01:09:22,515 --> 01:09:26,395
to put something inside of, of the, um,

1064
01:09:27,095 --> 01:09:28,315
the current policy.

1065
01:09:29,015 --> 01:09:31,995
And my hesitation right now of kind

1066
01:09:31,995 --> 01:09:34,955
of why I didn't support the policy as is, is

1067
01:09:34,955 --> 01:09:38,955
because, you know, I'm adamant that I think, um,

1068
01:09:39,295 --> 01:09:42,835
the citizens of Forsyth County want to see, um,

1069
01:09:42,955 --> 01:09:47,275
a procurement policy that explicitly, explicitly includes

1070
01:09:48,135 --> 01:09:51,515
our small local MWB hub businesses.

1071
01:09:51,715 --> 01:09:54,355
I think that that is, you know, a very fair

1072
01:09:54,355 --> 01:09:55,515
and general statement.

1073
01:09:55,655 --> 01:10:00,035
And until we move in that direction, I just think that this,

1074
01:10:00,095 --> 01:10:02,995
the procurement policy is not fully representative

1075
01:10:03,055 --> 01:10:04,115
of all citizens.

1076
01:10:04,115 --> 01:10:07,995
So, you know, that's why I couldn't support it as is.

1077
01:10:08,055 --> 01:10:11,155
And it I appreciate, um, two lastly, um,

1078
01:10:11,155 --> 01:10:15,555
commissioner Bessie's, um, second, um, motion

1079
01:10:15,735 --> 01:10:19,235
to try to get a report, um, back to us.

1080
01:10:19,335 --> 01:10:23,355
And I don't, I wouldn't think we need to even vote on that.

1081
01:10:23,515 --> 01:10:26,315
I think that's just common courtesy to help us

1082
01:10:26,335 --> 01:10:30,075
to move forward with making the best decisions about

1083
01:10:30,145 --> 01:10:31,555
what we need to do in this county.

1084
01:10:32,655 --> 01:10:34,875
But we, we, we have a motion and a second. Second.

1085
01:10:34,875 --> 01:10:36,435
Yeah. But we're still in discussion.

1086
01:10:36,655 --> 01:10:41,075
So, um, I would have to, uh, lean towards, um,

1087
01:10:41,175 --> 01:10:46,115
our county manager Chantelle, with regards to what

1088
01:10:46,225 --> 01:10:47,875
that looks like in terms of staff

1089
01:10:48,015 --> 01:10:50,155
and the budget, what that looks like

1090
01:10:50,295 --> 01:10:52,075
to our budget if it expands,

1091
01:10:52,175 --> 01:10:54,635
if we have it in our budget to do.

1092
01:10:55,255 --> 01:10:57,435
Um, and then what would it look like with those,

1093
01:10:57,495 --> 01:10:58,875
for those ongoing reports.

1094
01:11:00,655 --> 01:11:02,635
Um, thank you Commissioner McDaniel.

1095
01:11:02,695 --> 01:11:05,955
Uh, again, in absence of thoroughly reviewing it, I mean,

1096
01:11:06,025 --> 01:11:08,435
what I do know is it's going to require more staff time

1097
01:11:08,455 --> 01:11:10,995
and probably more staff, so we'll need

1098
01:11:10,995 --> 01:11:12,995
to do an analysis of what that looks like.

1099
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:16,125
Like, um, the only other thing I will say is, you know,

1100
01:11:16,145 --> 01:11:20,485
in the current policy we do talk about MWBE in compliance

1101
01:11:20,515 --> 01:11:22,365
with the law, which is under construction.

1102
01:11:22,665 --> 01:11:24,645
And we are currently exceeding that goal.

1103
01:11:24,745 --> 01:11:28,445
And we also take very seriously, um, wanting to do business

1104
01:11:28,515 --> 01:11:30,165
with, um, MWBEs.

1105
01:11:30,165 --> 01:11:31,325
And we are, um,

1106
01:11:31,505 --> 01:11:33,325
and we're, you know, there's always opportunities

1107
01:11:33,385 --> 01:11:35,325
for improvement of course, across the board.

1108
01:11:35,625 --> 01:11:38,325
Um, but we are, you know, um, we're doing that.

1109
01:11:38,825 --> 01:11:42,205
Um, and we're, um, committed to continuing to do

1110
01:11:42,205 --> 01:11:44,885
that in absence of what is black and white, what's in black

1111
01:11:44,885 --> 01:11:46,925
and white is in accordance with the law

1112
01:11:46,925 --> 01:11:48,525
as it relates to construction.

1113
01:11:48,585 --> 01:11:51,125
But we certainly do businesses with MWBE,

1114
01:11:51,145 --> 01:11:53,645
so I just don't want the publics to get the impression

1115
01:11:53,645 --> 01:11:55,245
that we're not because we are.

1116
01:11:55,745 --> 01:12:00,085
Um, but we, we certainly are happy to try to figure out, um,

1117
01:12:00,425 --> 01:12:02,925
to answer Commissioner Woodberry's questions.

1118
01:12:03,145 --> 01:12:05,365
Um, we will certainly work, we can work to do that if

1119
01:12:05,365 --> 01:12:07,525
that is the will of the board. And

1120
01:12:07,525 --> 01:12:10,165
You're, while you're there, can you remind me

1121
01:12:10,735 --> 01:12:14,325
where our percentages lie, um, based upon

1122
01:12:14,575 --> 01:12:16,045
where we are in the state?

1123
01:12:17,185 --> 01:12:18,925
Um, so the report that we pulled

1124
01:12:19,105 --> 01:12:22,285
for I think the last fiscal year, the state's goal, um,

1125
01:12:22,375 --> 01:12:24,125
again for construction is 10%.

1126
01:12:24,125 --> 01:12:26,165
We were at 15% and Mr.

1127
01:12:26,205 --> 01:12:30,485
Redfield pulled for I think the last five years, um,

1128
01:12:30,825 --> 01:12:31,965
in the hub data,

1129
01:12:32,105 --> 01:12:35,725
and I think we were at 31%, if I'm not mistaken.

1130
01:12:38,485 --> 01:12:39,745
And, and I'll just, so I'll

1131
01:12:39,745 --> 01:12:40,745
Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'll,

1132
01:12:40,745 --> 01:12:41,905
I'll just add that, we'll,

1133
01:12:42,515 --> 01:12:44,305
we'll be in conversation with you, commissioner.

1134
01:12:44,325 --> 01:12:47,105
I'm, I'm not quite sure what the request is.

1135
01:12:47,325 --> 01:12:51,305
One, one part of the material says it requires two bids

1136
01:12:52,045 --> 01:12:53,225
and another says one.

1137
01:12:53,365 --> 01:12:55,825
So I'm, I'm, I don't quite understand it,

1138
01:12:55,925 --> 01:12:57,465
but we can, we can iron that out

1139
01:12:57,705 --> 01:13:00,265
I think, because I was, um, unclear about

1140
01:13:00,295 --> 01:13:03,145
what the total number of bids that went out.

1141
01:13:03,205 --> 01:13:05,825
And so we, we, we can, we can clear that up.

1142
01:13:05,985 --> 01:13:09,345
I think that's just, you know, getting some clarification.

1143
01:13:09,365 --> 01:13:13,265
But I do want to say, um, lastly that, um,

1144
01:13:13,665 --> 01:13:17,305
I have tried to, um, get, um,

1145
01:13:17,445 --> 01:13:20,265
the disaggregated data around the MWB.

1146
01:13:20,265 --> 01:13:23,065
So what are the categories that make up the 30%?

1147
01:13:23,095 --> 01:13:26,465
What are the categories that make up the 15%?

1148
01:13:26,655 --> 01:13:31,305
Because again, what we know, um, across the state is that

1149
01:13:31,925 --> 01:13:36,625
the MWB, um, um, percentages, um,

1150
01:13:37,615 --> 01:13:41,345
generally reflecting a higher end with, um,

1151
01:13:41,655 --> 01:13:46,265
just white females as a category versus, um,

1152
01:13:47,665 --> 01:13:50,625
proportionately looking at, you know, minority groups

1153
01:13:50,885 --> 01:13:52,745
as African American, Hispanic,

1154
01:13:52,845 --> 01:13:57,665
and even some of our socioeconomic disadvantage by way

1155
01:13:57,665 --> 01:13:58,745
of accessibility.

1156
01:13:59,365 --> 01:14:03,665
So I think it would be, um, more authentic

1157
01:14:03,765 --> 01:14:07,865
and transparent to make sure that we could see what the MWB

1158
01:14:08,915 --> 01:14:11,485
categories are and how they're reflected.

1159
01:14:14,135 --> 01:14:16,315
Um, I can't tell you that is construction only

1160
01:14:16,415 --> 01:14:17,875
and it's subcontracting.

1161
01:14:18,015 --> 01:14:19,915
So we would have to delve into the details

1162
01:14:19,975 --> 01:14:21,195
to get you what's minority,

1163
01:14:21,195 --> 01:14:22,595
what's woman owned business Uhhuh.

1164
01:14:22,675 --> 01:14:24,675
But those, the 15%, the 31%,

1165
01:14:24,675 --> 01:14:28,435
that's all construction subcontracting to MWBEs.

1166
01:14:28,825 --> 01:14:30,595
Okay. We're required to port that to the states.

1167
01:14:30,735 --> 01:14:31,735
That's why we have that.

1168
01:14:32,935 --> 01:14:36,115
But you, you could share the, the categories

1169
01:14:36,115 --> 01:14:38,755
with us if you pour the report. Okay.

1170
01:14:39,715 --> 01:14:41,915
I answer county manager maybe to comment on

1171
01:14:42,535 --> 01:14:45,955
the efforts we currently make to actually

1172
01:14:46,625 --> 01:14:50,635
make either make break projects into smaller pieces,

1173
01:14:50,965 --> 01:14:54,235
train folks, share, you know, uh, I mean we've had several

1174
01:14:54,415 --> 01:14:57,755
and we had several community workshop issues maybe in

1175
01:14:57,755 --> 01:14:59,035
partnership with, for site tech.

1176
01:14:59,155 --> 01:15:02,035
I mean, it seems like we have had several, you know,

1177
01:15:02,675 --> 01:15:06,315
outreach efforts to actually talk about, you know, the,

1178
01:15:06,775 --> 01:15:08,835
how do you do business with the county? Am I correct?

1179
01:15:09,095 --> 01:15:12,075
We, yeah, so we, we recently participated in, um,

1180
01:15:12,575 --> 01:15:15,795
in partnership with the city and the MWBE mixer.

1181
01:15:15,895 --> 01:15:18,795
We did that this year recently. We did it last year.

1182
01:15:19,495 --> 01:15:23,555
Um, you know, I mean we're certainly, we utilize, um,

1183
01:15:23,555 --> 01:15:27,675
the databases from the city when they're soliciting our bids

1184
01:15:27,675 --> 01:15:29,835
because they do have a robust database.

1185
01:15:29,915 --> 01:15:32,595
I mean, it's a city county purchasing department.

1186
01:15:32,695 --> 01:15:36,075
Um, but they don't do every single one of our bids.

1187
01:15:36,075 --> 01:15:39,395
They're not doing our $5,000 bids, our $10,000 bids.

1188
01:15:39,655 --> 01:15:41,475
Um, they're not doing that. They also don't have

1189
01:15:41,475 --> 01:15:42,515
the capacity to do that.

1190
01:15:43,055 --> 01:15:45,995
Um, and so that's very kind of decentralized, um,

1191
01:15:45,995 --> 01:15:49,635
within here, but you also have, you know, bids that goes out

1192
01:15:50,015 --> 01:15:54,075
for organizations like, um, you know, Google and Microsoft.

1193
01:15:54,175 --> 01:15:58,435
And so for me it's, it's the clarity piece around, um,

1194
01:15:58,825 --> 01:16:02,395
sometimes there's not MWBEs that are available

1195
01:16:02,535 --> 01:16:03,675
or in that space.

1196
01:16:03,815 --> 01:16:05,795
And so I just have, for me, I have

1197
01:16:05,795 --> 01:16:07,755
to have a better understanding of what that looks like.

1198
01:16:07,895 --> 01:16:10,275
So health insurance providers is another example.

1199
01:16:10,735 --> 01:16:13,115
Uh, we spend a lot of money on that in the county

1200
01:16:13,135 --> 01:16:15,035
and I've had lots of these conversations

1201
01:16:15,035 --> 01:16:16,115
with Commissioner Woodbury.

1202
01:16:16,135 --> 01:16:17,155
And so, um,

1203
01:16:17,735 --> 01:16:21,195
and we also currently within the county, um,

1204
01:16:21,765 --> 01:16:25,915
don't have the ability to track, um, uh,

1205
01:16:26,195 --> 01:16:29,115
MWBE businesses for services in that way.

1206
01:16:29,185 --> 01:16:31,275
That doesn't mean that's something we couldn't look into

1207
01:16:31,375 --> 01:16:34,235
or potentially start if that's the will of the board,

1208
01:16:34,335 --> 01:16:37,235
but we just don't have that infrastructure in place today.

1209
01:16:37,655 --> 01:16:42,075
Um, what we have been doing is formally tracking for, um,

1210
01:16:42,175 --> 01:16:43,515
the construction projects

1211
01:16:43,515 --> 01:16:45,155
that we are legally required to do.

1212
01:16:45,455 --> 01:16:47,875
Um, so again, if the board wants to do something different,

1213
01:16:48,215 --> 01:16:50,715
um, we can look into what that looks like, you know,

1214
01:16:50,775 --> 01:16:54,035
PR present, the cost, the staffing, um, just all of that.

1215
01:16:56,555 --> 01:16:59,115
I am comfortable with a study motion,

1216
01:16:59,935 --> 01:17:03,715
but, uh, I'm confident now that the county attorney as well

1217
01:17:03,715 --> 01:17:07,395
as the manager have indicated that it's multifactorial, um,

1218
01:17:07,425 --> 01:17:10,765
that there is, uh, some question, uh,

1219
01:17:11,925 --> 01:17:14,605
a complete question about the timetable, uh,

1220
01:17:14,665 --> 01:17:16,565
and staffing that might be involved in.

1221
01:17:16,685 --> 01:17:18,565
I would just want to observe

1222
01:17:18,565 --> 01:17:22,445
that come March if there's still a problem in that regard,

1223
01:17:22,475 --> 01:17:24,005
that uh, I would be sympathetic

1224
01:17:24,025 --> 01:17:26,005
to entertaining whatever extensions necessary

1225
01:17:26,005 --> 01:17:27,525
to get a comprehensive study.

1226
01:17:28,625 --> 01:17:30,125
Mr. Chairman, I have one more

1227
01:17:30,855 --> 01:17:33,085
thing that'll probably end up in the request.

1228
01:17:35,385 --> 01:17:40,085
My experience working on machines that's complicated

1229
01:17:41,265 --> 01:17:44,805
is to take the amount of time it does to fix it,

1230
01:17:45,465 --> 01:17:47,685
and I do quite a bit of that on the farm.

1231
01:17:48,585 --> 01:17:51,885
And when we're working on the most complicated machine on

1232
01:17:51,885 --> 01:17:53,445
the farm, and that is a combine,

1233
01:17:53,445 --> 01:17:55,565
the reason a combine is called a combine

1234
01:17:55,915 --> 01:17:59,485
because it goes through, through three processes of

1235
01:17:59,485 --> 01:18:00,605
what the invention was.

1236
01:18:01,035 --> 01:18:02,525
It's reason it's a combine.

1237
01:18:03,475 --> 01:18:07,765
Well, when we get on a bad situation,

1238
01:18:08,345 --> 01:18:10,885
we have some conversation back and forth

1239
01:18:11,745 --> 01:18:15,645
and I wait till we can get on the same page

1240
01:18:15,785 --> 01:18:16,805
before I start

1241
01:18:18,105 --> 01:18:19,685
and until we get on the same page,

1242
01:18:19,795 --> 01:18:23,325
then we just keep sitting there trying to figure out

1243
01:18:23,515 --> 01:18:24,685
what the fix is.

1244
01:18:24,865 --> 01:18:28,845
Mm-hmm. And I like to know what the fix is going to be.

1245
01:18:29,665 --> 01:18:31,565
So when Mr.

1246
01:18:31,885 --> 01:18:36,165
Attorney, when you go through this process of the things

1247
01:18:36,165 --> 01:18:38,685
that Commissioner Woodbury is interested in,

1248
01:18:40,575 --> 01:18:41,625
when you get it all,

1249
01:18:43,585 --> 01:18:47,425
I won't say done whatever you think is, may be, uh,

1250
01:18:48,125 --> 01:18:52,545
the specific things, put those specific things on a piece

1251
01:18:52,545 --> 01:18:55,345
of paper where we can, or at least me

1252
01:18:56,015 --> 01:18:57,625
because I wanna fix the machine.

1253
01:18:57,655 --> 01:19:00,385
This is a complicated machine county government

1254
01:19:00,505 --> 01:19:02,385
because the reason it's so complicated,

1255
01:19:02,815 --> 01:19:03,905
it's made up of people.

1256
01:19:06,175 --> 01:19:10,035
And so that's it. Just get it on a piece of paper.

1257
01:19:10,055 --> 01:19:12,915
If it takes more than one, it's uh, okay,

1258
01:19:12,975 --> 01:19:14,555
we can borrow one from a tax office

1259
01:19:14,555 --> 01:19:15,955
because she'd been saving paper.

1260
01:19:16,775 --> 01:19:21,595
So that's it. Alright, thank y'all for your indulgence.

1261
01:19:21,855 --> 01:19:24,795
Any further discussion on this motion to have basically

1262
01:19:24,895 --> 01:19:29,795
by mar the first meeting in March, um, to have a a a a,

1263
01:19:29,815 --> 01:19:33,995
at least a staff review of the, of the particular points

1264
01:19:34,055 --> 01:19:38,275
of the number of MBW, uh, MBE, uh, m uh, contractors,

1265
01:19:38,855 --> 01:19:42,275
in particularly for smaller bids and larger bids, et cetera.

1266
01:19:43,055 --> 01:19:45,235
Mr. Chairman? Yes, I just would like

1267
01:19:45,235 --> 01:19:47,635
to say I will vote in opposition to this.

1268
01:19:47,835 --> 01:19:50,515
I feel very comfortable, uh,

1269
01:19:50,515 --> 01:19:52,315
that we're following the state law.

1270
01:19:52,895 --> 01:19:57,835
Uh, I feel comfortable that our attorney, uh, has gone

1271
01:19:57,835 --> 01:20:01,555
through these procedures and so I will vote in opposition.

1272
01:20:02,415 --> 01:20:06,035
So all that said, all those in favor, please say aye. A.

1273
01:20:06,685 --> 01:20:11,565
Those po opposed? No. Aye. Motion carries. Five to two.

1274
01:20:12,345 --> 01:20:17,125
All right. Okay, we are ready for next

1275
01:20:17,185 --> 01:20:18,185
Agenda. Item number

1276
01:20:18,185 --> 01:20:20,565
six is a resolution authorizing the acceptance

1277
01:20:20,565 --> 01:20:22,805
of additional funding from the North Carolina Department

1278
01:20:22,805 --> 01:20:24,965
of Transportation Division of Aviation

1279
01:20:25,065 --> 01:20:28,205
to fund additional environmental services work required

1280
01:20:28,205 --> 01:20:31,405
for Taxi Lane, Lima and RAMP at Smith Reynolds Airport.

1281
01:20:31,705 --> 01:20:35,485
The additional funding is in the amount of $187,400

1282
01:20:35,945 --> 01:20:38,405
and Part B is a resolution authorizing execution

1283
01:20:38,405 --> 01:20:41,085
of a Fourth Amendment to the agreement with ACON Engineers

1284
01:20:41,085 --> 01:20:42,125
and Planners, Inc.

1285
01:20:42,125 --> 01:20:44,365
To provide environmental services required

1286
01:20:44,385 --> 01:20:47,405
by the North Carolina Department of Transportation, division

1287
01:20:47,405 --> 01:20:49,325
of Aviation, the North Carolina Department

1288
01:20:49,325 --> 01:20:51,885
of Environmental Quality in the United States Army Corps

1289
01:20:51,885 --> 01:20:53,765
of Engineers for Taxi Lane, Lima,

1290
01:20:53,765 --> 01:20:56,525
and ramp at Smith Reynolds Airport in the amount not

1291
01:20:56,525 --> 01:21:01,045
to exceed $179,625, contingent upon final approval

1292
01:21:01,185 --> 01:21:04,045
by Department of Transportation, division of Aviation.

1293
01:21:05,225 --> 01:21:08,365
Do we have a motion? Na approved motion to approve

1294
01:21:08,365 --> 01:21:09,725
of vice chair W Second.

1295
01:21:09,725 --> 01:21:12,445
Second. Second by Commissioner Wilson. Any discussion?

1296
01:21:13,145 --> 01:21:15,925
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1297
01:21:16,465 --> 01:21:17,885
Motion carries unanimous.

1298
01:21:18,185 --> 01:21:20,645
Agenda item number seven is a resolution authorizing

1299
01:21:20,645 --> 01:21:22,085
submission of an application

1300
01:21:22,105 --> 01:21:25,085
to the North Carolina Housing Finance Agency to apply for

1301
01:21:25,085 --> 01:21:28,605
and accept if awarded 2027 Urgent Repair program funding.

1302
01:21:28,945 --> 01:21:32,845
The request will be for an allocation of $165,000 to be used

1303
01:21:32,845 --> 01:21:36,045
to make emergency repairs to at least 10 owner occupied low

1304
01:21:36,045 --> 01:21:37,525
and very low income households.

1305
01:21:38,745 --> 01:21:40,605
Do we have a motion approval?

1306
01:21:40,865 --> 01:21:43,165
Motion to approve by Commissioner Bessey. Second.

1307
01:21:43,265 --> 01:21:45,805
Second by Commissioner McDaniel. Any discussion?

1308
01:21:46,545 --> 01:21:49,405
All in favor, please say aye. A. Aye. Any opposed?

1309
01:21:49,785 --> 01:21:51,445
Motion carries. Unanimously.

1310
01:21:51,665 --> 01:21:54,125
Agenda item number eight is a resolution authorizing

1311
01:21:54,125 --> 01:21:56,725
execution of an agreement with Kelly Office Machines Inc.

1312
01:21:56,725 --> 01:21:59,245
To and business. Ask Kelly Office Solutions for lease

1313
01:21:59,245 --> 01:22:02,045
of copiers to Forsyth County for a five year period,

1314
01:22:02,075 --> 01:22:05,085
providing unlimited color printing and licensing

1315
01:22:05,085 --> 01:22:08,405
and support for the paper cut subscription platform in an

1316
01:22:08,405 --> 01:22:13,005
amount not to exceed $191,391 93 cents per year.

1317
01:22:14,345 --> 01:22:16,045
Do you have a motion? Have approval.

1318
01:22:16,225 --> 01:22:19,805
Motion to approve Vice Chair Wnu. Second. Second by comm.

1319
01:22:19,805 --> 01:22:24,685
Mr. Bessey, any discussion? All in favor, please say a aye.

1320
01:22:24,705 --> 01:22:27,565
Any The opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

1321
01:22:27,705 --> 01:22:30,245
Agenda item number nine is a resolution authorizing

1322
01:22:30,245 --> 01:22:33,125
execution of an agreement with worldwide technology LLC

1323
01:22:33,145 --> 01:22:35,525
for network switches and security licensing.

1324
01:22:35,915 --> 01:22:38,485
This is the five year contract at a total cost not

1325
01:22:38,485 --> 01:22:43,005
to exceed $1,899,999 and 95 cents

1326
01:22:44,135 --> 01:22:45,135
There. Motion

1327
01:22:45,135 --> 01:22:49,125
approval. Motion approve Vice Chair Wnu. Second.

1328
01:22:49,225 --> 01:22:51,645
Second by Commissioner Wilson. Any discussion?

1329
01:22:52,505 --> 01:22:55,325
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1330
01:22:57,355 --> 01:23:00,245
Okay. Agenda item number 10 is a resolution authorizing

1331
01:23:00,245 --> 01:23:02,725
execution of a lease agreement between Forsyth County

1332
01:23:02,785 --> 01:23:05,525
and the Q sh Unlimited corporation, doing business

1333
01:23:05,525 --> 01:23:08,285
as Southern Harvest Hospitality Group to manage

1334
01:23:08,285 --> 01:23:11,005
and operate the food and event space within Tanglewood Park

1335
01:23:11,005 --> 01:23:13,325
Clubhouse located at 100 Clubhouse Circle.

1336
01:23:13,785 --> 01:23:16,645
Um, we did make some modifications to the county's right

1337
01:23:16,645 --> 01:23:18,765
to reserve space section, um, since Monday,

1338
01:23:18,765 --> 01:23:21,005
which grants us more access when needed.

1339
01:23:21,105 --> 01:23:24,325
And it's, and if it's available under the proposed lease

1340
01:23:24,325 --> 01:23:26,845
for South County, we'll receive an annual base lease payment

1341
01:23:26,865 --> 01:23:29,245
of 36,000 for year one, increasing

1342
01:23:29,305 --> 01:23:33,605
by $2,400 each year thereafter for total base lease receipts

1343
01:23:33,605 --> 01:23:36,205
of $204,000 over the five year term.

1344
01:23:36,585 --> 01:23:39,565
In addition to the base lease, the county will receive 2%

1345
01:23:39,565 --> 01:23:42,845
of total revenue as utility reimbursement, 20%

1346
01:23:42,845 --> 01:23:46,085
of event space revenue, 3% of dining and catering revenue,

1347
01:23:46,265 --> 01:23:48,005
and 40% of operating profit.

1348
01:23:48,505 --> 01:23:50,645
The proposed lease term is five years, subject

1349
01:23:50,785 --> 01:23:53,085
to termination for breach within seven days

1350
01:23:53,105 --> 01:23:54,485
notice by either party.

1351
01:23:55,545 --> 01:23:56,805
Do we have a motion? Move approval?

1352
01:23:56,865 --> 01:23:59,685
Motion approved by Vice Chair. W Second.

1353
01:23:59,785 --> 01:24:02,445
Second by Commissioner Linville. Any discussion?

1354
01:24:04,285 --> 01:24:06,785
All in favor, please say aye. A Aye. Any opposed?

1355
01:24:07,445 --> 01:24:08,825
Motion carries unanimously.

1356
01:24:08,885 --> 01:24:11,385
Agenda item number 11 is a resolution, awarding

1357
01:24:11,385 --> 01:24:13,265
and authorizing execution of a contract

1358
01:24:13,265 --> 01:24:15,265
with Marsha McLennan, agency LLC

1359
01:24:15,325 --> 01:24:17,545
for Comprehensive Benefits Consulting Services.

1360
01:24:17,895 --> 01:24:19,505
This is a three year contract

1361
01:24:19,505 --> 01:24:21,665
with two optional renewal years at a rate

1362
01:24:21,665 --> 01:24:23,065
of $40,000 per year.

1363
01:24:24,875 --> 01:24:26,615
Do we have a motion? Move to approve?

1364
01:24:26,915 --> 01:24:29,415
Motion approve by Commissioner McDaniels. There a second.

1365
01:24:30,275 --> 01:24:32,935
Second. Second by Commissioner Bessie. Any discussion?

1366
01:24:34,235 --> 01:24:36,895
All in favor, please say aye. A Aye. Any opposed?

1367
01:24:37,795 --> 01:24:39,295
Motion carries unanimously.

1368
01:24:39,355 --> 01:24:42,255
Agenda item number 12 is a resolution accepting an offer

1369
01:24:42,255 --> 01:24:43,815
to purchase county owned real property

1370
01:24:43,815 --> 01:24:46,815
by negotiated offer advertisement and Upid Bids procedure.

1371
01:24:47,125 --> 01:24:48,735
This resolution accepts the last

1372
01:24:48,735 --> 01:24:50,935
and highest offer for the Haul of Justice property

1373
01:24:50,935 --> 01:24:52,495
and authorizes the sale of the property

1374
01:24:52,495 --> 01:24:55,535
to Med Solutions Compound Compounding Pharmacy, Inc.

1375
01:24:55,835 --> 01:24:58,455
The purchase price is $2.65 million

1376
01:24:58,555 --> 01:25:01,175
and the buyer has placed the required 5% deposit

1377
01:25:01,205 --> 01:25:02,295
with the clerk to the board.

1378
01:25:03,025 --> 01:25:04,095
Happy to make that motion.

1379
01:25:04,355 --> 01:25:06,895
Is there a second, second, second by vice chair.

1380
01:25:06,915 --> 01:25:10,535
Was there not any discussion? Yes. Oh yes. Go ahead. Uh,

1381
01:25:10,675 --> 01:25:14,975
Um, uh, I think this is our best opportunity to, uh,

1382
01:25:15,055 --> 01:25:17,215
get value outta the property, uh,

1383
01:25:17,475 --> 01:25:19,015
and that we should take it.

1384
01:25:19,535 --> 01:25:24,135
I also note that, um, uh, we will need to

1385
01:25:27,495 --> 01:25:31,505
have a separate consideration of anything, uh,

1386
01:25:31,845 --> 01:25:35,985
any use for the proceeds other than simply putting them in

1387
01:25:35,985 --> 01:25:38,425
our, um, in our fund balance for the time being.

1388
01:25:38,485 --> 01:25:39,745
Is that, is that correct?

1389
01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:42,465
Correct. Um, correct. That is correct.

1390
01:25:42,745 --> 01:25:46,705
I I'm still interested in reviewing our authority to, um,

1391
01:25:47,365 --> 01:25:51,025
uh, take, uh, some of the revenue from this

1392
01:25:51,085 --> 01:25:53,025
or other source, other local sources

1393
01:25:53,765 --> 01:25:58,305
and use it to expand our, uh, home repair, uh,

1394
01:25:58,805 --> 01:26:00,345
and first time lender programs.

1395
01:26:01,065 --> 01:26:04,965
I think that's, uh, one of the, uh, quickest ways

1396
01:26:05,035 --> 01:26:09,485
that we can, uh, you know, ratchet up, um, our, uh,

1397
01:26:09,865 --> 01:26:13,045
our work towards, uh, providing more affordable housing

1398
01:26:13,385 --> 01:26:15,005
or securing more affordable housing.

1399
01:26:15,785 --> 01:26:20,365
Um, and we'll just recall that, um, um,

1400
01:26:21,075 --> 01:26:24,165
that, uh, that I've asked our, our attorney to, um,

1401
01:26:24,675 --> 01:26:29,205
provide the language for, uh, an authorizing, uh,

1402
01:26:29,295 --> 01:26:32,965
referendum, uh, for possible discussion, uh,

1403
01:26:33,755 --> 01:26:36,045
next year. Thank you.

1404
01:26:36,865 --> 01:26:38,925
Any other discussion? Is that part of the motion?

1405
01:26:39,345 --> 01:26:40,365
No, that was just discussion. No,

1406
01:26:40,365 --> 01:26:43,125
just discussion. Any other discussion?

1407
01:26:43,665 --> 01:26:44,965
Um, I, go ahead.

1408
01:26:46,365 --> 01:26:50,905
That's not part of the motion? No. Okay.

1409
01:26:51,605 --> 01:26:53,705
The manager was over there working like it.

1410
01:26:54,555 --> 01:26:56,185
She's putting it in there. And that was,

1411
01:26:56,405 --> 01:26:58,945
I'm not going there right now. The

1412
01:26:59,065 --> 01:27:02,185
Motion is to accept the, the offer to purchase.

1413
01:27:02,335 --> 01:27:04,585
Okay. The courthouse. And I'm just trying

1414
01:27:04,585 --> 01:27:09,505
to get clarification around the, um, the comments

1415
01:27:09,735 --> 01:27:14,145
that, um, commissioner Bessie, um, made with, in regards to

1416
01:27:14,535 --> 01:27:16,105
what we do with the proceeds

1417
01:27:16,245 --> 01:27:20,105
and the right that we have to

1418
01:27:20,855 --> 01:27:25,185
utilize proceeds to support, um, affordable housing,

1419
01:27:25,315 --> 01:27:28,825
which then would, you know, um, help me

1420
01:27:28,825 --> 01:27:30,985
to have greater consideration to support it.

1421
01:27:32,445 --> 01:27:36,745
So I I'm not sure if, um, Gordon wants to speak to, if,

1422
01:27:36,885 --> 01:27:40,785
if we have the right to utilize the proceeds

1423
01:27:40,805 --> 01:27:43,105
to support affordable housing.

1424
01:27:44,205 --> 01:27:45,345
We, we really don't.

1425
01:27:45,565 --> 01:27:48,225
And, and, and that's the, the crux of, um,

1426
01:27:48,455 --> 01:27:50,305
what Commissioner Bessey was referring to.

1427
01:27:50,405 --> 01:27:54,225
If, um, generally if we want to use county funds,

1428
01:27:54,445 --> 01:27:58,025
not federal funds, but county funds for housing,

1429
01:27:58,195 --> 01:28:01,145
affordable housing programs, we generally need to get

1430
01:28:01,145 --> 01:28:02,985
that authority from the General Assembly.

1431
01:28:03,125 --> 01:28:05,505
One of the ways they let us do that is

1432
01:28:05,505 --> 01:28:06,985
by passing a referendum.

1433
01:28:07,605 --> 01:28:09,465
So that is something the board could do

1434
01:28:09,725 --> 01:28:10,985
if, if that's what you wish.

1435
01:28:11,005 --> 01:28:14,505
And Commissioner Bessie is asking me to look into, um,

1436
01:28:14,975 --> 01:28:16,465
what shape that would take

1437
01:28:18,875 --> 01:28:19,875
I discussion? Yeah,

1438
01:28:19,875 --> 01:28:23,155
just to, to, to clarify, um, uh,

1439
01:28:26,815 --> 01:28:28,755
As we've already established, I was not asking

1440
01:28:28,815 --> 01:28:32,635
to amend the motion simply, um, discussing in the context

1441
01:28:33,455 --> 01:28:36,395
of the motion, um, uh,

1442
01:28:38,015 --> 01:28:41,955
the separate possibility of moving forward with using some

1443
01:28:42,615 --> 01:28:46,555
county funds, uh, for affordable housing purposes.

1444
01:28:46,855 --> 01:28:48,115
And I gave an example

1445
01:28:48,115 --> 01:28:49,595
that I thought was particularly appropriate.

1446
01:28:50,095 --> 01:28:51,875
Uh, that's not part of this motion.

1447
01:28:52,575 --> 01:28:54,795
Um, it was discussion

1448
01:28:55,225 --> 01:28:59,795
because we had received, uh, community suggestions,

1449
01:29:00,695 --> 01:29:05,365
uh, for alternative, uh, disposal of the, um,

1450
01:29:05,545 --> 01:29:06,845
of the, of the property

1451
01:29:07,705 --> 01:29:11,845
and, uh, suggestions for use

1452
01:29:12,465 --> 01:29:14,325
of the proceeds from the property.

1453
01:29:14,785 --> 01:29:19,605
Um, and, uh, we have been clearly advised

1454
01:29:19,865 --> 01:29:22,605
by our council that we don't have the present authority

1455
01:29:22,665 --> 01:29:27,485
to do that, but I wanted to ensure that people were aware,

1456
01:29:28,225 --> 01:29:31,405
um, that, uh, there,

1457
01:29:33,175 --> 01:29:37,925
there are potential ways to get the authority to do that.

1458
01:29:38,315 --> 01:29:41,725
That will be looked into separately,

1459
01:29:42,425 --> 01:29:43,485
not as a part of this motion.

1460
01:29:44,935 --> 01:29:48,125
Sorry if, sorry, if I was less than

1461
01:29:48,915 --> 01:29:51,005
stellarly clear on that,

1462
01:29:52,925 --> 01:29:54,405
I will support this motion,

1463
01:29:54,585 --> 01:29:58,445
but given my prior experience of over 45 years

1464
01:29:58,515 --> 01:30:00,285
with this particular piece of property,

1465
01:30:00,355 --> 01:30:03,685
I'll have a keen eye on the due diligence period.

1466
01:30:05,475 --> 01:30:06,845
Yeah. Alright.

1467
01:30:07,065 --> 01:30:08,605
If there's no further discussion,

1468
01:30:08,865 --> 01:30:10,925
we can vote on accepting the offer

1469
01:30:11,305 --> 01:30:12,765
to purchase the courthouse.

1470
01:30:13,905 --> 01:30:17,565
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No.

1471
01:30:18,825 --> 01:30:22,285
Motion carries. Uh, a six one, excuse me.

1472
01:30:22,745 --> 01:30:25,565
Agenda item number 13 is a resolution authorizing

1473
01:30:25,565 --> 01:30:26,725
publication of an offer

1474
01:30:26,745 --> 01:30:28,365
to purchase county owned real property

1475
01:30:28,365 --> 01:30:30,205
by negotiated offer advertisement

1476
01:30:30,205 --> 01:30:34,605
and upset bids procedure at its June 19th, 2025 meeting,

1477
01:30:34,665 --> 01:30:36,325
the board directed the county manager

1478
01:30:36,385 --> 01:30:39,125
to solicit fair market value offers for the purchase

1479
01:30:39,125 --> 01:30:41,165
of the Amos Cottage property located at

1480
01:30:41,165 --> 01:30:43,405
33 25 Silas Creek Parkway.

1481
01:30:43,905 --> 01:30:45,085
No offers were received

1482
01:30:45,085 --> 01:30:46,885
during the initial 90 day offer window.

1483
01:30:47,225 --> 01:30:49,165
The property has been for sale since that time.

1484
01:30:49,585 --> 01:30:54,285
One offer was received from Jim Cap development LLC in the

1485
01:30:54,285 --> 01:30:57,525
amount of $2,025,000 on November 28th.

1486
01:30:57,835 --> 01:31:01,005
This resolution would authorize advertisement of the offer

1487
01:31:01,225 --> 01:31:02,325
for upset bids.

1488
01:31:03,695 --> 01:31:07,985
Do we have a motion? I'll move approval.

1489
01:31:08,345 --> 01:31:09,465
I do have a discussion. I,

1490
01:31:10,245 --> 01:31:11,245
And I'll second. I have

1491
01:31:11,245 --> 01:31:13,065
a motion by Commissioner Bessey, second

1492
01:31:13,125 --> 01:31:15,105
by Commissioner McDaniel. Any discussion?

1493
01:31:15,255 --> 01:31:20,145
Yeah, I just wanted to ask, um, this property isn't owned,

1494
01:31:20,945 --> 01:31:22,105
registered historic places.

1495
01:31:22,245 --> 01:31:27,195
Is it? Uh,

1496
01:31:28,605 --> 01:31:30,355
Isn't it just only 50 years?

1497
01:31:30,445 --> 01:31:31,835
50 50 years old?

1498
01:31:34,175 --> 01:31:36,355
It let curb be, fill the details.

1499
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:39,515
Uh, it was 1972 or 1975.

1500
01:31:39,735 --> 01:31:42,115
I'd have to figure it out, but it would theoretically

1501
01:31:42,115 --> 01:31:44,515
qualify, uh, for historic tax credits.

1502
01:31:44,865 --> 01:31:48,915
Okay. But it doesn't have that, um, no sir. Designation now?

1503
01:31:49,015 --> 01:31:52,795
No, sir. And basically that, that was what I, it's historic

1504
01:31:54,015 --> 01:31:57,235
use has been referenced in discussion.

1505
01:31:57,775 --> 01:32:00,965
Um, I didn't think that it was actually designated

1506
01:32:01,625 --> 01:32:04,125
as historic property, but I wanted to double check on that.

1507
01:32:04,455 --> 01:32:06,845
Right. Not contributing in a historical sense,

1508
01:32:06,985 --> 01:32:09,325
but it it's old enough, certainly. Yes, sir.

1509
01:32:09,415 --> 01:32:12,445
Thank you. Any further discussion?

1510
01:32:13,665 --> 01:32:16,365
All in favor, please say aye. A Aye. Any opposed?

1511
01:32:17,105 --> 01:32:18,725
Motion carries unanimously.

1512
01:32:18,905 --> 01:32:21,805
Agenda item number 14 is a resolution authorizing the

1513
01:32:21,805 --> 01:32:24,285
county manager to solicit fair market value offers

1514
01:32:24,425 --> 01:32:26,125
to purchase county owned real property.

1515
01:32:26,395 --> 01:32:27,925
This would authorize the county manager

1516
01:32:27,985 --> 01:32:30,125
to solicit fair market value for the purchase

1517
01:32:30,125 --> 01:32:31,205
of Tanglewood Business Park

1518
01:32:31,265 --> 01:32:33,725
and to dissolve the restrictive covenants that were in place

1519
01:32:33,875 --> 01:32:36,485
that were placed on the property in 2018.

1520
01:32:37,625 --> 01:32:41,125
As I indicated, uh, Monday when we discussed this, um,

1521
01:32:41,225 --> 01:32:44,205
I'd like to make a motion that we table this item

1522
01:32:44,495 --> 01:32:47,405
until our next meeting on January 15th.

1523
01:32:49,025 --> 01:32:50,765
Is there a second? Second, second

1524
01:32:50,825 --> 01:32:52,765
by Vice Chair Wizen Hunt. Any discussion?

1525
01:32:53,425 --> 01:32:55,965
Uh, just for the discussion, I'll go ahead

1526
01:32:55,965 --> 01:33:00,245
and say pretty close to what I did last, uh, Monday.

1527
01:33:00,305 --> 01:33:03,165
And when it, uh, comes again,

1528
01:33:03,275 --> 01:33:05,045
I'll most likely say the same thing.

1529
01:33:05,225 --> 01:33:09,685
So I'm, I'll be open to, um, seeing

1530
01:33:09,685 --> 01:33:12,765
what the market says that's out there, but Mr.

1531
01:33:13,365 --> 01:33:17,285
Attorney, whenever, uh, whether it's later on

1532
01:33:17,545 --> 01:33:20,165
before we put the line out there

1533
01:33:20,185 --> 01:33:24,325
and see what's out there, then once something comes in

1534
01:33:24,385 --> 01:33:28,165
or something's come in, then that would be subject to the,

1535
01:33:28,945 --> 01:33:30,685
uh, upset bid process.

1536
01:33:30,985 --> 01:33:32,645
If we county decided

1537
01:33:32,665 --> 01:33:34,405
to go forwards, that's the way it would work.

1538
01:33:36,745 --> 01:33:39,985
Y you as a board would have choices of, of ways

1539
01:33:40,045 --> 01:33:42,065
to sell the property, but generally that's

1540
01:33:42,065 --> 01:33:45,105
what we've been doing because that's the easiest way

1541
01:33:45,105 --> 01:33:47,505
to go out and, um, get an offer

1542
01:33:47,565 --> 01:33:51,465
and whatever best offer you have, then you publish that

1543
01:33:51,565 --> 01:33:52,985
and the upset bid process.

1544
01:33:53,285 --> 01:33:57,265
But, um, it would just depend on what you ask, uh,

1545
01:33:57,445 --> 01:34:00,025
Mr. Robinson to do if you want 'em to hold it open

1546
01:34:00,125 --> 01:34:02,305
for 90 days, for example, or, or

1547
01:34:02,305 --> 01:34:04,705
however long to, to see what offers are out there.

1548
01:34:04,725 --> 01:34:07,305
And then the best offer you could do the upset bid process.

1549
01:34:08,855 --> 01:34:10,745
Well, I'm, I'm open on this

1550
01:34:10,965 --> 01:34:12,145
and if the, uh,

1551
01:34:15,125 --> 01:34:18,305
the fish's not big enough when it comes in, then I'm going

1552
01:34:18,305 --> 01:34:22,145
to be okay with the just sitting on a property

1553
01:34:22,145 --> 01:34:24,745
and holding it because it's, it, it's a,

1554
01:34:26,505 --> 01:34:29,505
I explained last week, I don't know whether I was, uh,

1555
01:34:31,325 --> 01:34:32,425
as clear as Mr.

1556
01:34:32,635 --> 01:34:34,065
Besty can be many times.

1557
01:34:34,445 --> 01:34:38,985
So, um, it's not going to cost us any, uh,

1558
01:34:38,985 --> 01:34:41,745
maintenance ru keep simply because it's Woodland.

1559
01:34:43,755 --> 01:34:48,415
I'm learning Mr. Besty, but actually I haven't been

1560
01:34:48,545 --> 01:34:50,135
Doing a good job on that tonight. I'm so sorry.

1561
01:34:50,315 --> 01:34:51,775
Is this the first time that we've tried

1562
01:34:51,775 --> 01:34:52,775
to sell this property?

1563
01:34:53,225 --> 01:34:54,615
Ma'am? Is this the first time

1564
01:34:54,645 --> 01:34:56,855
that the county has tried to sell this property?

1565
01:34:57,395 --> 01:34:59,405
It's, it's been for sale for a bunch of years.

1566
01:35:00,075 --> 01:35:04,485
Well, there's some been attempts to sell, uh, parts of it.

1567
01:35:04,645 --> 01:35:08,325
I can't remember what all is exactly. Has a a

1568
01:35:09,325 --> 01:35:11,165
I I'm having to, So, uh, we,

1569
01:35:11,165 --> 01:35:12,845
We have, we actually did sell a piece

1570
01:35:12,845 --> 01:35:14,965
of this at one point, end up buying it back.

1571
01:35:15,465 --> 01:35:18,765
Uh, it has been marketed by, uh, greater Wind Sell Inc.

1572
01:35:19,225 --> 01:35:20,925
Uh, for economic development projects.

1573
01:35:20,945 --> 01:35:23,365
But I think this is looking at it a different light.

1574
01:35:25,995 --> 01:35:27,405
Okay. Any further discussion?

1575
01:35:28,165 --> 01:35:31,565
I I, I think the, um, the difference at this point is

1576
01:35:31,565 --> 01:35:36,045
that, uh, the, it it, it seems

1577
01:35:36,115 --> 01:35:37,365
that marketing this

1578
01:35:37,705 --> 01:35:40,925
as a industrial park is a futile undertaking.

1579
01:35:41,545 --> 01:35:43,685
Uh, and the question is, uh, what do we do?

1580
01:35:43,905 --> 01:35:46,165
How do we handle it at this point?

1581
01:35:47,025 --> 01:35:49,045
Um, if I'm missing any,

1582
01:35:49,265 --> 01:35:51,925
any points under review, please correct me.

1583
01:35:53,845 --> 01:35:57,425
That's correct. Further discussion items.

1584
01:35:58,675 --> 01:36:00,695
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye.

1585
01:36:01,075 --> 01:36:03,935
And the opposed Motion carries unanimously.

1586
01:36:03,995 --> 01:36:06,215
We will review again in January 15th.

1587
01:36:06,595 --> 01:36:09,255
Got it. Thank you, sir. Agenda item number 15 is a

1588
01:36:09,375 --> 01:36:11,335
resolution authorizing execution of an amendment

1589
01:36:11,335 --> 01:36:13,455
to the lease agreement between Forsyth County

1590
01:36:13,475 --> 01:36:14,935
and the city of Winston-Salem

1591
01:36:14,935 --> 01:36:16,335
for county owned real property,

1592
01:36:16,335 --> 01:36:18,375
located at 6 51 Highland Avenue.

1593
01:36:18,885 --> 01:36:20,695
This space is currently being utilized

1594
01:36:20,755 --> 01:36:23,295
as an overflow shelter for unhoused individuals.

1595
01:36:23,565 --> 01:36:26,335
This amendment allows use of the space in daytime hours

1596
01:36:26,335 --> 01:36:27,855
during inclement weather events

1597
01:36:29,405 --> 01:36:30,405
Of to approve. Is there a

1598
01:36:30,405 --> 01:36:31,545
motion? Motion by, uh,

1599
01:36:31,805 --> 01:36:33,065
uh, commissioner McDaniel?

1600
01:36:33,165 --> 01:36:36,745
Second. Second by Commissioner Wilson. Any discussion?

1601
01:36:37,925 --> 01:36:40,625
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1602
01:36:41,605 --> 01:36:43,265
Motion carries unanimously.

1603
01:36:43,565 --> 01:36:46,385
Agenda item number 16 is a resolution approving all

1604
01:36:46,625 --> 01:36:48,785
previous land purchased by the Winston-Salem Forsyth County

1605
01:36:48,785 --> 01:36:50,465
Board of Education to be used

1606
01:36:50,465 --> 01:36:52,785
for the future Ashley Elementary School site.

1607
01:36:53,045 --> 01:36:54,705
The Board of Education is requesting

1608
01:36:54,705 --> 01:36:57,785
that the board approve all purchases of land previously made

1609
01:36:57,805 --> 01:37:00,145
for the future ELE Ashley Elementary site.

1610
01:37:00,525 --> 01:37:02,625
It was previously made without Board

1611
01:37:02,625 --> 01:37:04,145
of Commissioner approval as required

1612
01:37:04,145 --> 01:37:08,345
by General statute one 15 C dash 4 26 F.

1613
01:37:08,725 --> 01:37:10,465
Um, the board did Board

1614
01:37:10,465 --> 01:37:13,385
of Education did formally approve this request

1615
01:37:13,525 --> 01:37:14,745
at their Tuesday meeting.

1616
01:37:16,045 --> 01:37:17,865
We have a motion Move to approve.

1617
01:37:18,085 --> 01:37:20,105
Motion to approve by Commissioner McDaniel.

1618
01:37:20,205 --> 01:37:21,425
Is there a second? Second.

1619
01:37:21,445 --> 01:37:23,745
Second by Commissioner Bessie. Any discussion?

1620
01:37:23,855 --> 01:37:24,945
Sure it is. Um,

1621
01:37:25,665 --> 01:37:29,785
I want the Winston-Salem Forsyth County Board of Education

1622
01:37:29,965 --> 01:37:32,985
to realize that this could have been an issue

1623
01:37:33,445 --> 01:37:35,265
and not to ever do that again.

1624
01:37:36,405 --> 01:37:37,405
Thank you.

1625
01:37:43,715 --> 01:37:47,375
Purchases. That's right. Excellent point.

1626
01:37:47,555 --> 01:37:48,735
Any further discussion or comments?

1627
01:37:49,715 --> 01:37:52,655
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1628
01:37:53,155 --> 01:37:54,615
Motion carries unanimously.

1629
01:37:54,945 --> 01:37:58,725
Agenda item 17 through 29 are our appointments

1630
01:37:58,745 --> 01:38:00,965
and I'm gonna turn them over to Commissioner Wilson.

1631
01:38:06,865 --> 01:38:09,245
Uh, you should have with you a series of, um,

1632
01:38:09,645 --> 01:38:13,525
appointments, uh, that can be handled by acclimation.

1633
01:38:13,905 --> 01:38:17,645
If everyone has that list, uh, I'll read through it,

1634
01:38:17,985 --> 01:38:19,605
um, rather quickly.

1635
01:38:19,825 --> 01:38:21,045
And, uh, if appropriate,

1636
01:38:21,145 --> 01:38:23,405
we could probably do a motion to approve all.

1637
01:38:23,825 --> 01:38:25,365
Uh, we don't actually need a motion

1638
01:38:25,505 --> 01:38:27,205
or a second, so I'll read that list.

1639
01:38:27,385 --> 01:38:30,685
Um, adult Care Community Advisory Committee.

1640
01:38:30,985 --> 01:38:33,245
Uh, Shannon Sheridan, uh,

1641
01:38:33,245 --> 01:38:35,445
for South County Juvenile Crime Prevention Council,

1642
01:38:35,665 --> 01:38:38,365
max Graham for Site Memorial Hospital Inc.

1643
01:38:38,365 --> 01:38:40,125
Board of Trustees, Phyllis Cardwell.

1644
01:38:40,225 --> 01:38:43,965
George Avery Hall, Michael Horn, industrial Facilities

1645
01:38:43,965 --> 01:38:45,725
and Pollution Control Financing Authority.

1646
01:38:45,835 --> 01:38:47,965
Alan Abrams, nursing Home Community Advisory

1647
01:38:47,965 --> 01:38:49,125
Committee for South County.

1648
01:38:49,265 --> 01:38:52,325
Amy Holmes. Smith Reynolds Airport Board

1649
01:38:52,865 --> 01:38:54,525
Conrad Walsh for South Tech.

1650
01:38:54,625 --> 01:38:57,485
Nicole Community College designee filling the unexpired term

1651
01:38:57,485 --> 01:39:01,045
of Joshua Burham Tourism Development Authority.

1652
01:39:01,055 --> 01:39:03,525
James Williams, hotel owner slash operator

1653
01:39:03,525 --> 01:39:04,805
with more than 100 rooms.

1654
01:39:05,695 --> 01:39:09,125
Adult Care Home Community Advisory Committee.

1655
01:39:09,865 --> 01:39:13,685
No, these already have, um, been confirmed.

1656
01:39:14,145 --> 01:39:16,525
So with that list,

1657
01:39:16,665 --> 01:39:18,805
are there any further questions before we vote?

1658
01:39:20,235 --> 01:39:23,125
I'll second that motion. Yeah, no second is required.

1659
01:39:23,265 --> 01:39:26,925
All in favor indicate by saying Aye. Aye. It passes.

1660
01:39:27,595 --> 01:39:29,365
They're elected. Okay.

1661
01:39:34,915 --> 01:39:35,405
Alright.

1662
01:39:40,275 --> 01:39:41,275
Okay.

1663
01:39:43,675 --> 01:39:47,325
Okay, we'll go. Um, first

1664
01:39:47,515 --> 01:39:50,405
with the Adult Care Community Advisory,

1665
01:39:50,625 --> 01:39:51,805
that's not correct? No.

1666
01:39:52,115 --> 01:39:53,845
Just re Oh, okay.

1667
01:39:54,625 --> 01:39:56,725
The following boards have remaining vacancies

1668
01:39:56,725 --> 01:39:57,965
or did not receive applicants.

1669
01:39:57,965 --> 01:39:59,885
Madam Clerk, please continue the appointments

1670
01:39:59,885 --> 01:40:03,165
to a future meeting for Adult Care Community Advisory

1671
01:40:03,165 --> 01:40:05,245
Committee, animal Services Advisory Board,

1672
01:40:05,245 --> 01:40:06,525
community Appearance Commission.

1673
01:40:06,525 --> 01:40:09,725
West Salem, Forsyth County Nursing Home Advisory Committee.

1674
01:40:09,875 --> 01:40:10,875
Forsyth County.

1675
01:40:14,705 --> 01:40:16,925
Do we, do we not have an Animal Control advisory

1676
01:40:16,925 --> 01:40:17,965
committee appointment?

1677
01:40:18,265 --> 01:40:20,485
Yes, but coming up separate. Separate, different group.

1678
01:40:20,795 --> 01:40:23,125
Yeah, we're coming up with that. You got it. Alright.

1679
01:40:23,625 --> 01:40:28,125
Um, next would be the Animal Services Advisory Board.

1680
01:40:29,985 --> 01:40:32,405
And that's a vote for one.

1681
01:40:32,465 --> 01:40:35,365
The two candidates are Destiny Shores and Natalie Kakina.

1682
01:40:42,995 --> 01:40:46,925
Literally. Okay. Alright.

1683
01:40:47,305 --> 01:40:48,605
Uh, this will be one appointment

1684
01:40:48,605 --> 01:40:50,965
for a two year term expiring December, 2027.

1685
01:40:51,405 --> 01:40:53,965
Capacity one owner of a Fertile hunting dog.

1686
01:40:54,705 --> 01:40:58,885
Please vote for one, not dog for one of the candidates.

1687
01:41:00,425 --> 01:41:04,485
You have your I did took it.

1688
01:41:06,995 --> 01:41:08,965
I'll come back. Yeah, I've gotten that somewhere.

1689
01:41:15,715 --> 01:41:18,645
Yeah. He, I can't find my, that

1690
01:41:27,155 --> 01:41:27,645
control.

1691
01:41:42,565 --> 01:41:43,205
I can't find it.

1692
01:41:49,795 --> 01:41:51,845
What was their names again? Right here.

1693
01:41:53,635 --> 01:41:56,845
Okay. He's on. Okay.

1694
01:41:58,805 --> 01:42:00,655
Yeah. Okay.

1695
01:42:04,915 --> 01:42:05,535
You're dealing.

1696
01:42:11,375 --> 01:42:12,375
I don't wanna be the king.

1697
01:42:32,435 --> 01:42:35,215
Mr. Chairman. Destiny Shores received majority vote.

1698
01:42:37,235 --> 01:42:41,015
Uh, next will be, uh, experiment and self-reliance.

1699
01:42:41,015 --> 01:42:43,855
Uh, one appointment three year term expiring June, 2028.

1700
01:42:46,015 --> 01:42:48,455
Capacity one open vote for one

1701
01:42:48,455 --> 01:42:52,015
of the following citizens wishing to serve Francis Alston.

1702
01:42:52,075 --> 01:42:55,615
Brandy Bell, uh, Janna Bellamy, Sherry Billings.

1703
01:42:55,615 --> 01:42:57,695
Ashley Burgess, Towanda Carpenter, Ashley

1704
01:42:58,235 --> 01:43:00,175
Gorton, Gregory Harriston.

1705
01:43:00,235 --> 01:43:03,855
Marsha Harris, Maurice Hill, Megan Hunt, Jeffrey Hostage.

1706
01:43:03,985 --> 01:43:08,095
Tyler Moody, Shana Moore, Miriam Rivera, Dominique Roland.

1707
01:43:08,095 --> 01:43:10,375
Destiny Shores. Nicholas Smith. John Stewart.

1708
01:43:12,805 --> 01:43:13,805
Vote for one.

1709
01:43:58,235 --> 01:44:00,775
Mr. Chairman, none

1710
01:44:00,775 --> 01:44:02,895
of the applicants received majority vote.

1711
01:44:02,895 --> 01:44:05,695
However, John Stewart has received three votes.

1712
01:44:06,715 --> 01:44:09,135
Miriam Riviera has received one vote.

1713
01:44:10,135 --> 01:44:12,135
Tawanda Carpenter has received one vote.

1714
01:44:12,355 --> 01:44:15,855
Ashley Burgess has received one vote in Francis Austin

1715
01:44:16,355 --> 01:44:17,535
has received one vote.

1716
01:44:19,935 --> 01:44:22,355
So the board will need to vote again to get

1717
01:44:22,355 --> 01:44:25,515
to a majority vote on one of the applicants. Alright,

1718
01:44:26,015 --> 01:44:29,115
We have Call the names again, please.

1719
01:44:29,225 --> 01:44:30,225
Sure.

1720
01:44:30,665 --> 01:44:33,395
John Stewart Right there. Oh,

1721
01:44:34,415 --> 01:44:34,835
Miriam

1722
01:44:35,195 --> 01:44:39,435
Riviera, Tawanda Carpenter.

1723
01:44:41,735 --> 01:44:45,275
Ashley Burgess or Francis Austin.

1724
01:44:46,685 --> 01:44:48,355
Where were they? I'm sorry.

1725
01:44:55,865 --> 01:44:56,865
John Stewart.

1726
01:45:48,745 --> 01:45:51,005
Mr. Chairman John Stewart received majority vote.

1727
01:45:52,125 --> 01:45:53,375
Okay. Um,

1728
01:45:53,435 --> 01:45:55,895
for South County Historic Resources Commission one.

1729
01:45:55,895 --> 01:45:59,015
Appointment four year term expiring June, 2029.

1730
01:45:59,335 --> 01:46:02,135
Capacity one. Licensed architect. You may vote for one.

1731
01:46:02,235 --> 01:46:05,495
The candidates are Ed Bolden

1732
01:46:06,035 --> 01:46:07,455
and Jeremy Thorn.

1733
01:46:27,955 --> 01:46:32,695
Are there two? Oh, I thought I already did that.

1734
01:46:32,775 --> 01:46:33,855
I thought I turned that in already.

1735
01:46:35,765 --> 01:46:38,655
Yeah, I filled it out though.

1736
01:46:43,325 --> 01:46:46,055
Well, I I would, no, it's not here. I'll just put it.

1737
01:46:49,465 --> 01:46:51,565
That's not yours. No it's not.

1738
01:46:53,575 --> 01:46:54,825
Well that's, that's for me.

1739
01:46:55,905 --> 01:46:58,465
I dunno who that it came before us.

1740
01:47:22,205 --> 01:47:23,935
Yeah, I found it. It was upside down.

1741
01:48:59,365 --> 01:49:02,655
What? That's your signature? Yeah. Okay.

1742
01:49:02,655 --> 01:49:04,295
That's what I needed to know. Thank you.

1743
01:49:08,595 --> 01:49:12,275
That was weird. She thought it was yours.

1744
01:49:12,295 --> 01:49:15,685
She thought it was. Did I come before? Okay.

1745
01:49:16,275 --> 01:49:20,125
What was that about? A forgery.

1746
01:49:21,785 --> 01:49:22,445
I'm a forger.

1747
01:49:27,165 --> 01:49:28,165
A forger.

1748
01:49:32,025 --> 01:49:35,445
Mr. Chairman Jeremy Thorn received majority vote in the

1749
01:49:35,685 --> 01:49:37,165
licensed architect position,

1750
01:49:38,985 --> 01:49:40,485
Uh, for the, uh, for South County

1751
01:49:40,495 --> 01:49:42,005
Store Resources Commission.

1752
01:49:42,425 --> 01:49:43,885
Uh, continuing one appointment

1753
01:49:43,905 --> 01:49:46,525
for your term expiring June, 2029.

1754
01:49:47,365 --> 01:49:48,725
Capacity two at large.

1755
01:49:48,745 --> 01:49:50,285
So you can vote for two of the following.

1756
01:49:50,565 --> 01:49:52,645
Citizens wishing to serve Ryan Bullard.

1757
01:49:53,025 --> 01:49:56,245
Uh, Sarah Cromwell, Megan Hunt, Brittany Hyder,

1758
01:49:56,245 --> 01:49:59,365
Adam Landreth, Jeff Murphy, Noah Reynolds, Susan Rupp,

1759
01:49:59,495 --> 01:50:03,205
Jason Theo, Heidi Tuft, Amanda Voth and

1760
01:50:03,865 --> 01:50:05,245
or Mark Watkins

1761
01:50:25,285 --> 01:50:26,285
Historic commission?

1762
01:50:32,375 --> 01:50:33,535
I don't think I can give any more

1763
01:50:33,535 --> 01:50:34,535
Mixed up.

1764
01:50:35,245 --> 01:50:40,095
Okay. I just hold on.

1765
01:52:09,125 --> 01:52:12,225
Mr. Chairman Noah Reynolds

1766
01:52:12,365 --> 01:52:14,385
and Jason Theo receive majority votes.

1767
01:52:17,165 --> 01:52:19,465
Uh, next for South County Juvenile Crime Prevention

1768
01:52:19,465 --> 01:52:22,505
Council, one appointment two year term expiring June, 2027.

1769
01:52:23,105 --> 01:52:26,665
Capacity one member of faith community vote for one

1770
01:52:26,665 --> 01:52:28,665
of the following citizens wishing to serve Albert

1771
01:52:30,185 --> 01:52:31,825
McInally or Max Graham.

1772
01:52:42,495 --> 01:52:44,505
Yeah. Yeah, I think Max was already by

1773
01:52:44,505 --> 01:52:45,505
Acclimation. He was

1774
01:52:45,505 --> 01:52:47,325
in the under 21.

1775
01:52:47,825 --> 01:52:51,805
It says the, I have a

1776
01:52:51,805 --> 01:52:53,205
different, uh, sheet here.

1777
01:52:53,905 --> 01:52:57,365
Two citizens wishing to serve of Albert McInally

1778
01:52:57,585 --> 01:52:59,005
or Antoinette Joiner.

1779
01:53:00,225 --> 01:53:01,365
You can use that for your vote.

1780
01:53:01,635 --> 01:53:01,925
Okay.

1781
01:53:43,515 --> 01:53:45,835
I told you there were, I told you there were

1782
01:53:45,985 --> 01:53:46,985
Bugs in this thing.

1783
01:53:50,205 --> 01:53:53,505
Mr. Chairman Antoinette Joyner received majority vote.

1784
01:53:55,455 --> 01:53:56,825
Next is Novant Health, Inc.

1785
01:53:56,825 --> 01:53:58,665
Board of Trustees one Appointment three year term

1786
01:53:58,665 --> 01:54:00,225
expiring December, 2028.

1787
01:54:01,465 --> 01:54:04,545
Capacity one County Commissioner appointee,

1788
01:54:04,925 --> 01:54:06,025
you may vote for one.

1789
01:54:06,175 --> 01:54:09,705
There's an incumbent wishing to serve Charles er citizen.

1790
01:54:09,775 --> 01:54:13,025
Wishing to serve Marquee Barnett.

1791
01:55:29,345 --> 01:55:31,765
Mr. Chairman Charles Huser received majority vote.

1792
01:55:32,755 --> 01:55:35,845
Next is Smith Reynolds airport board two appointments

1793
01:55:35,845 --> 01:55:38,205
three year terms expiring December, 2028.

1794
01:55:38,705 --> 01:55:42,565
So capacity of two You may vote for two of the following.

1795
01:55:43,915 --> 01:55:47,005
Wishing to serve, uh, incumbents.

1796
01:55:47,005 --> 01:55:49,565
Wishing to serve Perry Hudspeth. Clarence Lamb.

1797
01:55:50,485 --> 01:55:53,965
Citizens wishing to serve John Abrams. Matt K Clipper.

1798
01:55:54,555 --> 01:55:58,125
Josh Ferer. C Roger Hill, Jeffrey Hodges.

1799
01:55:58,125 --> 01:56:02,725
Richard Journeying. Joseph Mock or Josef Weaver?

1800
01:56:04,235 --> 01:56:05,235
Vote for two.

1801
01:56:38,565 --> 01:56:38,855
Okay.

1802
01:56:57,745 --> 01:57:01,765
It should be you and me too sister.

1803
01:57:05,935 --> 01:57:07,515
Mr. Chairman Perry Hudspeth

1804
01:57:07,515 --> 01:57:09,195
and Clarence Lamb received majority vote

1805
01:57:11,505 --> 01:57:13,685
And hopefully last zoning Board

1806
01:57:13,685 --> 01:57:14,885
of adjustment for South County.

1807
01:57:14,945 --> 01:57:17,845
Two appointments, three year terms expiring December, 2028

1808
01:57:18,565 --> 01:57:21,325
capacity one regular and one alternate member.

1809
01:57:22,945 --> 01:57:25,965
So the two top applicants receiving the most votes will fill

1810
01:57:25,965 --> 01:57:28,445
the vacancies Vote for two of the following citizens wishing

1811
01:57:28,445 --> 01:57:32,725
to serve Christopher Aye, IHE Ika,

1812
01:57:33,235 --> 01:57:35,485
John Lawrence, Robert Peterson, Nicholas Smith,

1813
01:57:35,485 --> 01:57:38,205
Philip Venable, or Rick Ick.

1814
01:59:14,015 --> 01:59:16,835
Mr. Chairman Phillip Venable received six votes

1815
01:59:17,455 --> 01:59:19,155
for the regular member position

1816
01:59:20,615 --> 01:59:23,475
and Robert Peterson received three votes,

1817
01:59:23,725 --> 01:59:25,235
which is not majority vote.

1818
01:59:28,545 --> 01:59:32,525
So the Robert Peterson received three votes.

1819
01:59:32,965 --> 01:59:34,925
Nicholas Smith received two votes

1820
01:59:35,145 --> 01:59:38,365
and John Lawrence received two votes.

1821
01:59:43,845 --> 01:59:44,135
Okay,

1822
01:59:48,925 --> 01:59:53,775
that will require an additional vote then for one

1823
01:59:53,775 --> 01:59:55,415
of those three candidates.

1824
01:59:55,415 --> 01:59:58,535
John Lawrence, Robert Peterson or Nicholas Smith.

1825
01:59:59,155 --> 02:00:01,135
Is that correct? Yes. Okay.

1826
02:00:23,355 --> 02:00:24,565
He's got it. He's got it.

1827
02:02:01,395 --> 02:02:04,175
Mr. Chairman Robert Peterson received two votes.

1828
02:02:04,735 --> 02:02:06,655
Nicholas Smith received three votes

1829
02:02:06,955 --> 02:02:09,175
and John Lawrence received two votes.

1830
02:02:10,075 --> 02:02:12,695
We will need another vote to get a majority vote

1831
02:02:12,885 --> 02:02:15,975
between the three, which is Robert Peterson,

1832
02:02:17,175 --> 02:02:19,655
Nicholas Smith and John Lawrence.

1833
02:02:24,475 --> 02:02:29,135
You vote for? I voted for Peter.

1834
02:02:30,555 --> 02:02:32,255
So what's his name? Smith.

1835
02:02:35,715 --> 02:02:37,455
So there'd be another additional vote.

1836
02:02:40,315 --> 02:02:41,335
Not yet a tie breaker

1837
02:03:00,845 --> 02:03:01,845
Other Than the fact We

1838
02:03:01,845 --> 02:03:02,815
can't count.

1839
02:03:57,425 --> 02:04:00,245
Mr. Chairman Nicholas Smith received majority vote

1840
02:04:00,305 --> 02:04:01,925
for the alternate member position.

1841
02:04:03,865 --> 02:04:07,975
Thank you. Yeah, I believe that, uh, concludes

1842
02:04:08,715 --> 02:04:11,015
the voting for tonight

1843
02:04:11,235 --> 02:04:13,295
and it's truly a testament to those who wish

1844
02:04:13,295 --> 02:04:16,495
to provide public service selflessly to this county.

1845
02:04:16,555 --> 02:04:17,855
But if there's no one else running

1846
02:04:17,875 --> 02:04:19,375
for anything on planet Earth,

1847
02:04:19,435 --> 02:04:20,815
we are concluded with that part.

1848
02:04:23,145 --> 02:04:24,375
Thank you. Commissioner Wilson.

1849
02:04:24,875 --> 02:04:25,975
Agenda items 30

1850
02:04:25,975 --> 02:04:29,375
through 31 are resolutions approving refunds by the tax assessor.

1851
02:04:29,375 --> 02:04:34,215
Collector 30 is in the amount of $11,752 and 64 cents,

1852
02:04:34,235 --> 02:04:38,245
and 31 is in the amount of $413,987

1853
02:04:38,385 --> 02:04:39,445
and 17 cents

1854
02:04:41,365 --> 02:04:42,365
Approved by Commissioner L.

1855
02:04:43,265 --> 02:04:45,605
Second by Commissioner Bessey. Any discussion?

1856
02:04:46,545 --> 02:04:48,845
All in favor, please say aye. A Aye.

1857
02:04:49,065 --> 02:04:50,565
Motion carries unanimously.

1858
02:04:50,745 --> 02:04:53,845
Agenda items 32 through 34 are our reports.

1859
02:04:53,865 --> 02:04:56,725
32 is the October Human Resources report.

1860
02:04:56,725 --> 02:05:00,045
33 is the Act 33 is the October contribution based

1861
02:05:00,045 --> 02:05:01,085
benefit cap report.

1862
02:05:01,345 --> 02:05:03,645
And 34 is the November financial report.

1863
02:05:05,945 --> 02:05:08,565
We approve. Motion to approve by Commissioner Linville.

1864
02:05:09,585 --> 02:05:12,325
Second. Second by Commissioner Bessey

1865
02:05:12,325 --> 02:05:14,125
and Vice Chair w Any discussion?

1866
02:05:14,825 --> 02:05:16,805
All in favor, please say aye. Aye.

1867
02:05:16,825 --> 02:05:18,325
Motion carries unanimously.

1868
02:05:18,425 --> 02:05:20,645
Agenda item 35 is an added item

1869
02:05:20,755 --> 02:05:22,965
that was properly briefed on Monday.

1870
02:05:23,435 --> 02:05:25,565
It's a resolution authorizing a Second Amendment

1871
02:05:25,585 --> 02:05:28,725
to a revenue agreement with Keef commissary network, LLC

1872
02:05:28,945 --> 02:05:31,205
for onsite inmate commissary services

1873
02:05:31,465 --> 02:05:33,365
for the Law Enforcement Detention Center.

1874
02:05:33,675 --> 02:05:36,005
This would extend their agreement for one month

1875
02:05:36,005 --> 02:05:40,365
through January 31st, 2026 to ensure a smooth transition

1876
02:05:40,715 --> 02:05:43,245
with a new vendor who will start February 1st.

1877
02:05:43,665 --> 02:05:45,685
Um, the new vendor's contract will be brought

1878
02:05:45,685 --> 02:05:46,965
to you at the first January meeting.

1879
02:05:48,865 --> 02:05:50,445
Do we have a motion? Move to Approve?

1880
02:05:50,545 --> 02:05:53,445
Motion approved by Commissioner McDaniel. Second.

1881
02:05:53,445 --> 02:05:55,565
Second by Commissioner Bessey. Any discussion?

1882
02:05:56,425 --> 02:05:59,205
So I do have, um, just a couple of questions.

1883
02:05:59,505 --> 02:06:02,685
Um, I can't recall if I left early

1884
02:06:02,825 --> 02:06:06,605
or I think maybe I did before we got to, to this, I'm sorry.

1885
02:06:06,745 --> 02:06:11,045
But, um, the,

1886
02:06:12,025 --> 02:06:14,685
um, did we talk, did you talk about the rationale

1887
02:06:14,685 --> 02:06:17,805
behind terminating this contract, um,

1888
02:06:18,865 --> 02:06:20,725
at, in February?

1889
02:06:21,045 --> 02:06:23,045
I guess it, a new one would start in February,

1890
02:06:23,105 --> 02:06:27,365
but the this one would end in, um, January 31st, 2026.

1891
02:06:28,435 --> 02:06:30,885
That is correct. Um, essentially what I said was

1892
02:06:30,885 --> 02:06:32,205
that it's a sensitive matter

1893
02:06:32,425 --> 02:06:34,845
and, um, we were going to go with our, um,

1894
02:06:35,305 --> 02:06:36,845
the second ranked vendor.

1895
02:06:40,615 --> 02:06:45,445
Um, so now my

1896
02:06:45,455 --> 02:06:48,245
brain is clicking to maybe the rationale why.

1897
02:06:48,425 --> 02:06:52,445
And so, um, I do absolutely, um,

1898
02:06:52,555 --> 02:06:53,885
have the same concerns,

1899
02:06:53,885 --> 02:06:57,765
but I do think that in order for me to, um,

1900
02:06:57,955 --> 02:07:02,645
vote reasonably, I would, you know, like to get some input,

1901
02:07:03,065 --> 02:07:05,925
um, from the sheriff's office regarding this contract.

1902
02:07:06,965 --> 02:07:08,205
I, I've been working closely

1903
02:07:08,355 --> 02:07:11,045
with the Sheriff's office, um, on this.

1904
02:07:11,345 --> 02:07:14,725
Um, and his detention center staff, his business office,

1905
02:07:15,075 --> 02:07:18,765
I've not spoken with the sheriff directly, um, on it.

1906
02:07:18,775 --> 02:07:20,125
Again, it's a sensitive matter.

1907
02:07:20,345 --> 02:07:22,845
Um, and so our recommendation is to go

1908
02:07:22,845 --> 02:07:24,125
with a second ranked vendor.

1909
02:07:24,985 --> 02:07:29,745
Is there any, so not

1910
02:07:29,745 --> 02:07:31,025
to belabor this for sure,

1911
02:07:32,045 --> 02:07:36,525
but I think that, um, based on the sensitivity quote unquote

1912
02:07:36,545 --> 02:07:40,885
of the issue, um, determination of this contract, I think

1913
02:07:40,915 --> 02:07:44,765
that, you know, I would hope that there is, um, some

1914
02:07:45,785 --> 02:07:47,965
direct feedback from the sheriff's office.

1915
02:07:48,405 --> 02:07:53,245
I think that, um, so we, we don't one ever have to go back

1916
02:07:53,485 --> 02:07:54,885
and forth with something like this.

1917
02:07:55,245 --> 02:07:59,925
I think that, um, without definitive,

1918
02:08:02,385 --> 02:08:06,485
Um, resolve of, you know,

1919
02:08:06,805 --> 02:08:11,525
whatever happened over, um, at the, with this contract,

1920
02:08:12,115 --> 02:08:16,405
then generally our policy is whoever is the lowest bidder,

1921
02:08:16,405 --> 02:08:17,685
this was the lowest bidder.

1922
02:08:17,785 --> 02:08:21,205
And so now if there's something that is a concern,

1923
02:08:21,585 --> 02:08:25,365
but the sheriff's office is not, um,

1924
02:08:25,505 --> 02:08:28,605
either on record saying what the, you know, what

1925
02:08:28,715 --> 02:08:31,525
what is their response with this concern are coming over

1926
02:08:31,525 --> 02:08:34,645
to talk to us about their response to this concern.

1927
02:08:35,005 --> 02:08:38,325
I think that for me, uh, there, there is a gap

1928
02:08:38,465 --> 02:08:41,885
of why we're doing it other than there is a sensitive issue

1929
02:08:41,885 --> 02:08:45,805
without any explanation from what's going on

1930
02:08:45,805 --> 02:08:47,045
over at the Sheriff's office.

1931
02:08:49,425 --> 02:08:51,085
But that's, that's my point.

1932
02:08:53,795 --> 02:08:56,115
I do just wanna clarify, we're not terminating their

1933
02:08:56,355 --> 02:08:59,515
contract, they're just not being selected as the new vendor.

1934
02:09:01,615 --> 02:09:05,835
So I want to clarify why we're terminating the, um,

1935
02:09:07,025 --> 02:09:08,715
terminating this contract.

1936
02:09:09,735 --> 02:09:11,555
But you're saying that it's a sensitive issue,

1937
02:09:11,615 --> 02:09:16,475
so I I mean I I get that maybe there is some, some parts

1938
02:09:16,475 --> 02:09:17,715
of it that we can't discuss

1939
02:09:17,715 --> 02:09:19,795
and so I won't go down that rabbit hole

1940
02:09:19,795 --> 02:09:22,715
unless there's some direction from the county attorney.

1941
02:09:22,735 --> 02:09:26,315
But I'm just saying that without,

1942
02:09:26,835 --> 02:09:28,275
I have not heard the,

1943
02:09:28,455 --> 02:09:30,955
any direct response from the Sheriff's office

1944
02:09:31,055 --> 02:09:33,595
around the sensitivity of this issue

1945
02:09:33,615 --> 02:09:36,075
and why we truly should be terminating

1946
02:09:36,095 --> 02:09:37,355
it, is what I would say.

1947
02:09:39,135 --> 02:09:42,385
Well, the Sheriff's office, um, they're the ones

1948
02:09:42,385 --> 02:09:44,385
who drafted the sec, the,

1949
02:09:44,655 --> 02:09:47,865
this agenda item.

1950
02:09:47,865 --> 02:09:51,785
But again, I have not spoken with the sheriff directly, um,

1951
02:09:52,225 --> 02:09:54,905
recently in regards to this particular agenda item,

1952
02:09:55,085 --> 02:09:58,225
but it was worked on with sheriff's office staff.

1953
02:09:58,845 --> 02:10:02,505
Oh, okay. So you're saying that this is something that is

1954
02:10:03,735 --> 02:10:07,705
Well, to be clear, I mean my recommendation

1955
02:10:08,045 --> 02:10:10,865
and I was clear with, um, sheriff's office staff

1956
02:10:10,895 --> 02:10:12,665
that my recommendation was to go

1957
02:10:12,665 --> 02:10:15,145
with the second ranked vendor and,

1958
02:10:15,405 --> 02:10:18,425
and I would, I would not be recommending, um,

1959
02:10:19,075 --> 02:10:21,585
continuing selecting the, this vendor.

1960
02:10:26,825 --> 02:10:28,145
We, we could certainly ask our attorney

1961
02:10:28,145 --> 02:10:31,465
what we can disclose in public or, or not. Yeah,

1962
02:10:31,535 --> 02:10:34,165
I'll, I'll just say that, um, if, if,

1963
02:10:34,305 --> 02:10:36,965
if it's the board's desire you, you could go to an,

1964
02:10:37,075 --> 02:10:38,605
into a closed session to consult

1965
02:10:38,605 --> 02:10:40,205
with an attorney about this matter.

1966
02:10:40,465 --> 02:10:42,645
But, um, I, I agree with the manager

1967
02:10:42,715 --> 02:10:45,405
that this would not be proper to discuss in open session.

1968
02:10:49,885 --> 02:10:53,885
Alrighty, with any, any further discussion, all in favor,

1969
02:10:53,905 --> 02:10:54,925
please say aye.

1970
02:10:55,065 --> 02:10:59,645
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? No motion passes. Six to one.

1971
02:11:01,425 --> 02:11:04,445
Um, I, I know the next item is the yearend review, but

1972
02:11:04,445 --> 02:11:07,445
before we do that, I will, um, we do have another item

1973
02:11:07,875 --> 02:11:11,485
that needs to be voted on to be added to the agenda.

1974
02:11:11,585 --> 02:11:14,085
And it is in front of you on paper.

1975
02:11:14,315 --> 02:11:16,325
It's a resolution authorizing the grant

1976
02:11:16,345 --> 02:11:19,045
and execution of a waterline easement to the city

1977
02:11:19,045 --> 02:11:20,965
of Winston-Salem across a portion

1978
02:11:21,025 --> 02:11:24,445
of county owned real property located at 100 Horizons Lane

1979
02:11:24,705 --> 02:11:27,285
in accordance with your rules of procedures.

1980
02:11:27,285 --> 02:11:30,645
This would require the board, the majority of the board

1981
02:11:30,665 --> 02:11:34,205
to third majority of the board to agree to add this

1982
02:11:34,385 --> 02:11:35,645
as an agenda item.

1983
02:11:36,265 --> 02:11:39,685
Um, and so I can certainly turn over to the chair who,

1984
02:11:39,705 --> 02:11:41,925
if he would like to further explain. Yeah,

1985
02:11:41,925 --> 02:11:43,005
I, I'd be happy to explain it.

1986
02:11:43,005 --> 02:11:46,205
I actually received a call from, um, Richard Anderson,

1987
02:11:46,225 --> 02:11:49,805
who actually is the, um, the director

1988
02:11:49,805 --> 02:11:51,725
of the Horizons Residential Care Center.

1989
02:11:52,145 --> 02:11:54,685
You all may know that they, in fact, one

1990
02:11:54,685 --> 02:11:57,645
of our ARPA projects was actually to help construct a,

1991
02:11:58,005 --> 02:12:01,205
a different style reo more residential living facility

1992
02:12:01,665 --> 02:12:03,805
to not have a congregate living facility,

1993
02:12:03,825 --> 02:12:06,285
but actually have more individual rooms.

1994
02:12:06,425 --> 02:12:08,605
The facility was actually ribbon cutting

1995
02:12:08,705 --> 02:12:09,845
was actually two months ago.

1996
02:12:10,385 --> 02:12:14,685
Um, it is finished and it's by not going ahead

1997
02:12:14,685 --> 02:12:17,445
and approve this came, literally came late from the

1998
02:12:17,445 --> 02:12:18,485
city last week.

1999
02:12:19,105 --> 02:12:22,445
And if we waited until Jan, January 15th,

2000
02:12:22,445 --> 02:12:25,445
there's a whole nother month that goes by

2001
02:12:25,785 --> 02:12:29,445
before the building even has a capability of being occupied.

2002
02:12:30,185 --> 02:12:32,125
Our, our, our bylaws, I mean, are

2003
02:12:32,125 --> 02:12:33,605
for operating the meetings.

2004
02:12:33,605 --> 02:12:36,445
It does deal with their, we, we can add something

2005
02:12:36,445 --> 02:12:38,725
that was not briefed in an emergency.

2006
02:12:38,725 --> 02:12:40,685
This is not, not, it's not an emergency for us,

2007
02:12:40,745 --> 02:12:44,485
but it's an emergency for someone who is on our land

2008
02:12:44,635 --> 02:12:48,645
that we leased them for a dollar for 50 years

2009
02:12:48,705 --> 02:12:51,965
or a hundred years and, and the damage done

2010
02:12:52,165 --> 02:12:53,725
'cause it talks about any suffered damage.

2011
02:12:53,795 --> 02:12:55,645
It's gonna be the residents that cannot go ahead

2012
02:12:55,645 --> 02:12:57,445
and move into the new facility.

2013
02:12:57,505 --> 02:13:00,965
So it's another 30 day wait that we be unnecessary.

2014
02:13:01,025 --> 02:13:02,285
We were able to get the,

2015
02:13:02,355 --> 02:13:04,245
this is something we routinely approve

2016
02:13:04,745 --> 02:13:06,085
and I think that would be, uh,

2017
02:13:06,115 --> 02:13:09,405
it's just an easement from on our property for a,

2018
02:13:09,625 --> 02:13:13,365
for the Horizons Residential Care Center. Uh,

2019
02:13:13,565 --> 02:13:14,605
I have a question for Ms.

2020
02:13:14,655 --> 02:13:15,005
Swain.

2021
02:13:27,225 --> 02:13:28,685
I'm not going to assume anything

2022
02:13:28,945 --> 02:13:32,725
but it, I I I would guess as far as water lines goes,

2023
02:13:33,195 --> 02:13:37,445
they just need a certain, uh, narrow width

2024
02:13:37,985 --> 02:13:42,565
of easement and, uh, can, whatever

2025
02:13:42,565 --> 02:13:46,285
that easement in is will it be located in, in a place

2026
02:13:46,285 --> 02:13:48,085
that won't interfere with anything else?

2027
02:13:48,755 --> 02:13:50,925
Correct. Yes sir. Okay. Mm-hmm.

2028
02:13:51,005 --> 02:13:52,125
There's, there's no interference.

2029
02:13:52,195 --> 02:13:53,845
It's all within their lease boundaries,

2030
02:13:56,545 --> 02:13:57,545
The question. Alright.

2031
02:13:57,545 --> 02:14:00,165
I guess I'll ask another one then that you,

2032
02:14:00,305 --> 02:14:02,285
you've answered 'em, you got Ms.

2033
02:14:02,285 --> 02:14:03,725
Wayne, you always got the answers.

2034
02:14:04,345 --> 02:14:07,925
Um, what,

2035
02:14:08,915 --> 02:14:13,605
when these kind of things occur, how is it things get

2036
02:14:13,625 --> 02:14:17,085
so far behind that something like the, I understand it

2037
02:14:17,085 --> 02:14:18,525
and don't have a problem with it,

2038
02:14:18,585 --> 02:14:22,485
but it, it's, it's just good

2039
02:14:22,485 --> 02:14:24,245
to know about whatever it is all,

2040
02:14:24,825 --> 02:14:27,005
and I just know what to do with water lines

2041
02:14:27,225 --> 02:14:31,045
and, uh, well, the one's going to be in a way or something

2042
02:14:31,045 --> 02:14:32,245
and she explained it and,

2043
02:14:32,305 --> 02:14:34,045
but that's the reason for the questions.

2044
02:14:34,065 --> 02:14:38,725
And if it's of any offense to anybody, then so be it.

2045
02:14:40,555 --> 02:14:42,245
Chelsea, is this not just for a meter?

2046
02:14:42,445 --> 02:14:44,245
I mean, I, I just, I I'm just remember

2047
02:14:44,245 --> 02:14:46,445
what Richard said yesterday? It's just,

2048
02:14:47,035 --> 02:14:50,445
It's for about 8,000 square feet of water line just

2049
02:14:50,445 --> 02:14:52,525
to serve the new buildings there.

2050
02:14:52,525 --> 02:14:54,205
There is some new construction there with it.

2051
02:14:54,475 --> 02:14:55,685
Yeah. Which is, and the

2052
02:14:55,885 --> 02:14:57,045
construction basically is finished.

2053
02:14:58,365 --> 02:14:59,565
I mean, there's some other delays too.

2054
02:14:59,845 --> 02:15:01,845
'cause they also have to have it inspected by the, uh,

2055
02:15:02,455 --> 02:15:06,165
North Carolina DHHS folks has also come out,

2056
02:15:06,465 --> 02:15:08,245
but this is another 30 day period.

2057
02:15:08,485 --> 02:15:13,045
I just waiting, so I, I I agree with, I agree

2058
02:15:13,045 --> 02:15:14,205
with you. Uh, commissioner ni

2059
02:15:14,475 --> 02:15:15,845
Well, Time delays.

2060
02:15:16,065 --> 02:15:19,325
That's good. I'll move to, uh, approve for this.

2061
02:15:19,475 --> 02:15:21,485
I've just wonder another day we'll go ahead

2062
02:15:21,485 --> 02:15:23,485
and ask if there was a second then I'll tell you

2063
02:15:23,485 --> 02:15:24,525
what I was thinking about the,

2064
02:15:24,635 --> 02:15:26,285
Well, I'll, I'll second and I think we have

2065
02:15:26,285 --> 02:15:29,165
to take action first to add it to the agenda.

2066
02:15:29,185 --> 02:15:30,365
It requires five votes.

2067
02:15:30,545 --> 02:15:32,205
All in favor of adding it to the agenda.

2068
02:15:32,205 --> 02:15:34,765
Please say aye a aye. Any opposed?

2069
02:15:35,695 --> 02:15:36,725
We're adding it to the agenda.

2070
02:15:37,075 --> 02:15:40,205
I'll accept your motion to approve the, uh,

2071
02:15:40,345 --> 02:15:42,005
the easement on the waterline.

2072
02:15:42,345 --> 02:15:45,725
Is there a second? Second. Second from Vice Wizen hunt.

2073
02:15:46,145 --> 02:15:47,525
Now further discussion. One

2074
02:15:47,725 --> 02:15:48,725
Question. Um,

2075
02:15:48,725 --> 02:15:53,685
uh, is there any, is, is this basically cleared land

2076
02:15:53,875 --> 02:15:56,565
that the, um, uh, the easement would be running over?

2077
02:15:57,985 --> 02:15:59,765
My understanding is yes. Okay.

2078
02:15:59,765 --> 02:16:02,205
So there's, there's nothing sensitive in the

2079
02:16:02,765 --> 02:16:04,485
proposed path of the water line.

2080
02:16:04,515 --> 02:16:05,515
Okay, fine.

2081
02:16:07,775 --> 02:16:10,145
Good. Over to discussion please.

2082
02:16:10,165 --> 02:16:13,185
All in favor, please say aye. A aye. Any opposed?

2083
02:16:13,605 --> 02:16:14,985
Motion carries unanimously.

2084
02:16:16,565 --> 02:16:19,745
Now we'll actually vote on the resolution authorizing the

2085
02:16:19,745 --> 02:16:22,185
grant and execution of a waterline easement to the city

2086
02:16:22,185 --> 02:16:23,665
of Winston-Salem across a portion

2087
02:16:23,685 --> 02:16:25,465
of county owned real property located at

2088
02:16:25,465 --> 02:16:26,545
100 Horizon Lake. We

2089
02:16:26,545 --> 02:16:27,545
We did both. Did

2090
02:16:27,545 --> 02:16:30,005
you do both? Yes, we did. We had two actions.

2091
02:16:30,185 --> 02:16:32,005
Oh, I'm sorry. One was to add it to,

2092
02:16:32,185 --> 02:16:34,245
to the a voting and then we did vote.

2093
02:16:34,435 --> 02:16:35,685
Okay. Sorry, I missed that.

2094
02:16:35,735 --> 02:16:37,605
Right. I'm not the only person that happens to

2095
02:16:37,955 --> 02:16:38,955
It's late. I'm sorry.

2096
02:16:38,955 --> 02:16:42,965
Okay. So we, we do have two more items.

2097
02:16:43,305 --> 02:16:44,725
Um, if it's okay with you, Mr.

2098
02:16:44,725 --> 02:16:46,445
Chair, I'll quickly talk about the funding

2099
02:16:46,505 --> 02:16:47,765
for metal detectors before.

2100
02:16:47,765 --> 02:16:49,245
Yes, please do. Before your year in review. Yes. Yes.

2101
02:16:49,665 --> 02:16:52,325
Um, so, um, just a quick update for the board.

2102
02:16:52,505 --> 02:16:55,525
Um, since Monday's meeting, I've had several conversations

2103
02:16:55,555 --> 02:16:57,005
with Superintendent Phipps

2104
02:16:57,005 --> 02:16:58,045
and, um, also met

2105
02:16:58,045 --> 02:17:00,605
with him in person yesterday about this item.

2106
02:17:00,785 --> 02:17:04,525
Um, what he has essentially stated as is that this, um,

2107
02:17:05,795 --> 02:17:08,925
potential requests had not even been thoroughly reviewed,

2108
02:17:09,185 --> 02:17:12,365
um, by him to the Board of Education.

2109
02:17:12,785 --> 02:17:16,365
Um, and so they are not prepared to submit any type

2110
02:17:16,365 --> 02:17:18,365
of requests to the Board of Commissioners.

2111
02:17:18,385 --> 02:17:21,965
He wants to do a thorough, um, operational analysis

2112
02:17:21,965 --> 02:17:23,245
and assessment, um,

2113
02:17:23,265 --> 02:17:26,925
and expect to be able to, uh, provide more discussions

2114
02:17:26,985 --> 02:17:30,085
and potential options, maybe a potential, um, request,

2115
02:17:30,425 --> 02:17:31,445
um, sometime in January.

2116
02:17:31,865 --> 02:17:33,925
But he's also looking through his various funding

2117
02:17:33,925 --> 02:17:35,325
sources and, and all of that.

2118
02:17:35,505 --> 02:17:38,365
So he wanted to make sure I conveyed that he did discuss

2119
02:17:38,365 --> 02:17:39,725
that individually with board members

2120
02:17:39,825 --> 02:17:41,445
and they were not prepared to, um,

2121
02:17:41,445 --> 02:17:43,405
request anything at this time.

2122
02:17:45,645 --> 02:17:47,535
Good. So we'll return at a later

2123
02:17:47,535 --> 02:17:48,575
date when we hear from them.

2124
02:17:48,665 --> 02:17:53,535
Thank you. Ready? Ready for the closing year in review.

2125
02:17:54,385 --> 02:17:56,935
Can't wait at, at the last meeting of the year.

2126
02:17:57,075 --> 02:17:58,935
We have traditionally reviewed the milestones

2127
02:17:59,075 --> 02:18:00,695
of our work over the previous year

2128
02:18:01,195 --> 02:18:03,855
and with the help of the county manager, um,

2129
02:18:04,035 --> 02:18:05,215
I'm happy to do that now.

2130
02:18:05,355 --> 02:18:09,175
So I think all of you would agree that, uh, 2025 was a i,

2131
02:18:09,315 --> 02:18:12,375
on my little notes I put capital BUSY.

2132
02:18:12,605 --> 02:18:13,735
This was a busy year.

2133
02:18:14,235 --> 02:18:17,095
Um, and there are a presentation just to summarize

2134
02:18:17,235 --> 02:18:20,855
and it is a lot of things, a lot of things to summarize is

2135
02:18:20,975 --> 02:18:22,935
that basically it's in seven sections.

2136
02:18:23,105 --> 02:18:26,855
First is in key personnel changes, so personnel changes.

2137
02:18:27,325 --> 02:18:30,695
Just quick recap of key personnel changes in, uh,

2138
02:18:30,725 --> 02:18:33,415
back in April we hired, uh, Jamie Burman

2139
02:18:33,415 --> 02:18:34,735
as our animal shelter director.

2140
02:18:35,115 --> 02:18:38,615
In May, we hired longtime tax assessor collector.

2141
02:18:38,615 --> 02:18:40,375
John Burgess re retired

2142
02:18:40,515 --> 02:18:43,255
and we thanked him for finishing the, the, uh,

2143
02:18:43,615 --> 02:18:44,855
property reevaluation year.

2144
02:18:45,435 --> 02:18:48,055
And in June we had a substantial restructuring

2145
02:18:48,055 --> 02:18:49,175
of emergency services.

2146
02:18:49,795 --> 02:18:52,735
You will recall that the vacant director's position

2147
02:18:52,795 --> 02:18:54,855
of emergency services was eliminated

2148
02:18:55,315 --> 02:18:58,695
and our three deputy chiefs were promoted to directors

2149
02:18:58,695 --> 02:18:59,895
of their respective division.

2150
02:19:00,445 --> 02:19:02,655
Each of those reporting to Kyle Haney,

2151
02:19:02,655 --> 02:19:05,175
our deputy county manager, Andrew Davis,

2152
02:19:05,515 --> 02:19:06,935
is our EMS director.

2153
02:19:07,355 --> 02:19:10,215
Um, Brock, uh, Smith is our fire services director.

2154
02:19:10,215 --> 02:19:13,135
Jamie four is the communications director

2155
02:19:13,135 --> 02:19:15,255
that the 9 1 1 communications director.

2156
02:19:15,595 --> 02:19:17,375
And I think all of you would agree that

2157
02:19:17,465 --> 02:19:18,695
after this six months,

2158
02:19:18,765 --> 02:19:20,615
this arrangement has worked out very well

2159
02:19:20,995 --> 02:19:23,415
and actually has saved the Mon County money.

2160
02:19:24,285 --> 02:19:26,535
Also in June, uh, Michael Duncan was hired

2161
02:19:26,835 --> 02:19:30,205
to fill the long vacant behavioral SER health services

2162
02:19:30,725 --> 02:19:34,885
director's position, and Leslie Rose in July was hired

2163
02:19:34,905 --> 02:19:36,045
by North Carolina State

2164
02:19:36,145 --> 02:19:38,605
as our new cooperative extension director.

2165
02:19:39,025 --> 02:19:41,365
And we hired Amanda Markle, who's in the back of the room.

2166
02:19:41,665 --> 02:19:46,205
Um, as our new tax assessor collector, key personnel,

2167
02:19:46,205 --> 02:19:48,885
second board operations and public engagement.

2168
02:19:49,425 --> 02:19:52,405
In March, the board began holding quarterly evening meetings

2169
02:19:52,465 --> 02:19:55,325
to improve accessibility and public participation.

2170
02:19:55,985 --> 02:19:58,205
In April, for the first time, the board

2171
02:19:58,205 --> 02:20:00,845
of County Commissioners Budget workshop meetings were

2172
02:20:00,995 --> 02:20:02,885
broadcast and available online,

2173
02:20:03,475 --> 02:20:06,645
further enhancing transparency and public accountability.

2174
02:20:06,905 --> 02:20:08,485
In August, board

2175
02:20:08,485 --> 02:20:11,085
of County Commissioners unanimously adopted a resolution

2176
02:20:11,525 --> 02:20:13,965
urging regulators to deny permits

2177
02:20:13,965 --> 02:20:16,525
for transcos pipeline expansion until

2178
02:20:17,165 --> 02:20:19,445
a full environmental review confirmed safety.

2179
02:20:20,065 --> 02:20:22,005
In December, the board of county commissioners

2180
02:20:22,685 --> 02:20:25,965
approved holding monthly evening sessions beginning in

2181
02:20:25,965 --> 02:20:29,165
January 3rd category public safety, health

2182
02:20:29,225 --> 02:20:30,565
and emergency response.

2183
02:20:31,425 --> 02:20:32,885
In the period between February

2184
02:20:32,945 --> 02:20:36,525
and June, the county engaged the firm North Carolina Fire

2185
02:20:36,545 --> 02:20:39,765
Chiefs Consulting to conduct a comprehensive assessment

2186
02:20:39,825 --> 02:20:42,405
of emergency services operations.

2187
02:20:43,155 --> 02:20:46,085
Many of their recommendations have already been implemented

2188
02:20:47,025 --> 02:20:48,285
in the same timeframe.

2189
02:20:48,705 --> 02:20:51,965
Our own local county fire study committee, um,

2190
02:20:52,365 --> 02:20:54,165
finished a a a their work

2191
02:20:54,505 --> 02:20:58,325
and recommended increasing the fire tax overlay funds

2192
02:20:58,465 --> 02:21:01,125
to benefit all of our county fire departments

2193
02:21:01,505 --> 02:21:04,925
and make it possible for every department to respond 24 7

2194
02:21:04,985 --> 02:21:08,965
to fire calls, not just the larger fire departments.

2195
02:21:09,795 --> 02:21:13,085
From July until now, um, we've had, again,

2196
02:21:13,225 --> 02:21:15,685
the North Carolina Fire Chiefs Consulting firm

2197
02:21:16,255 --> 02:21:17,845
conducting a fire study.

2198
02:21:18,075 --> 02:21:19,605
Last one was emergency service,

2199
02:21:19,745 --> 02:21:21,085
and now doing a fire study

2200
02:21:21,625 --> 02:21:24,125
to evaluate long-term fire system needs

2201
02:21:24,425 --> 02:21:27,325
and develop a strategic plan for continuous improvement.

2202
02:21:27,835 --> 02:21:31,285
From July to September, an $18 million city

2203
02:21:31,385 --> 02:21:33,125
and county funded radio system

2204
02:21:33,465 --> 02:21:38,085
for all first responders was replaced in the months

2205
02:21:38,085 --> 02:21:39,125
of October and November.

2206
02:21:39,355 --> 02:21:40,805
Forsyth County as partners

2207
02:21:40,805 --> 02:21:42,885
and residents navigated the challenges

2208
02:21:42,905 --> 02:21:45,325
of the federal shutdown that occurred

2209
02:21:45,325 --> 02:21:47,325
between October 1st and November 12th.

2210
02:21:47,865 --> 02:21:50,605
During this period, the county convened weekly meetings

2211
02:21:50,605 --> 02:21:53,685
with nutrition and food partners to coordinate messaging,

2212
02:21:53,815 --> 02:21:57,205
share updates, and plan for potential SNAP

2213
02:21:57,225 --> 02:21:58,445
and WIC disruptions.

2214
02:21:59,125 --> 02:22:01,085
A public facing website was launched

2215
02:22:01,145 --> 02:22:02,565
to provide accurate information

2216
02:22:03,025 --> 02:22:06,125
and a multi-agency press conference was held on

2217
02:22:06,125 --> 02:22:07,125
October 29th.

2218
02:22:07,775 --> 02:22:09,445
Staff were kept informed throughout

2219
02:22:09,445 --> 02:22:12,605
and while some employees were temporarily reassigned,

2220
02:22:13,345 --> 02:22:15,765
no reductions in force occurred.

2221
02:22:16,265 --> 02:22:17,965
Due to the strength of this collaboration,

2222
02:22:17,985 --> 02:22:21,365
the partners agreed to continue meeting monthly only.

2223
02:22:21,365 --> 02:22:25,805
Good thing I can think of from the shutdown In November, all

2224
02:22:25,805 --> 02:22:28,965
of our libraries began distributing free Naloxone Narcan,

2225
02:22:29,825 --> 02:22:32,405
um, to continue increasing availability

2226
02:22:32,425 --> 02:22:34,805
and accessibility of this lifesaving medication.

2227
02:22:35,265 --> 02:22:38,205
Narcan has already been available in the detention center,

2228
02:22:38,215 --> 02:22:41,605
lobby County Pharmacy, public Health, crystal Towers,

2229
02:22:41,695 --> 02:22:43,565
Healy Towers, sunrise Towers,

2230
02:22:43,715 --> 02:22:47,805
addiction Recovery Care Association, arca Smokey Shades,

2231
02:22:47,805 --> 02:22:50,285
Lewisville Family Counseling City with Dwellings,

2232
02:22:50,285 --> 02:22:52,525
and soon to be available at Social Services.

2233
02:22:53,595 --> 02:22:54,845
Also in November, members

2234
02:22:54,865 --> 02:22:57,605
of the newly formed Fire County fire com fire

2235
02:22:57,665 --> 02:23:00,485
for size County Fire Commission were selected

2236
02:23:00,585 --> 02:23:02,925
and actually held their first meeting in December.

2237
02:23:03,825 --> 02:23:07,885
Fourth bundle is economic development across four projects.

2238
02:23:07,885 --> 02:23:12,405
The county supported approximately 54.6 million in capital

2239
02:23:12,405 --> 02:23:16,125
investment that's projected to create 144 new jobs

2240
02:23:16,595 --> 02:23:20,165
with average wages ranging between 47,000

2241
02:23:20,305 --> 02:23:22,085
to almost 80,000.

2242
02:23:22,825 --> 02:23:24,725
The Board of County commissioners approved up

2243
02:23:24,725 --> 02:23:28,285
to 488,000 in performance based tax incentives

2244
02:23:28,785 --> 02:23:32,245
and authorized building reuse grant applications totaling

2245
02:23:32,295 --> 02:23:33,885
750,000.

2246
02:23:34,665 --> 02:23:37,125
Um, the, okay, excuse me.

2247
02:23:37,145 --> 02:23:38,485
I'm gonna tell you the four projects.

2248
02:23:38,545 --> 02:23:39,965
Uh, GMAX Industries,

2249
02:23:40,485 --> 02:23:42,565
a textile manufacturer has making a

2250
02:23:42,565 --> 02:23:44,365
$15 million capital in investment.

2251
02:23:44,855 --> 02:23:47,645
Their average wage of 60 3008 10.

2252
02:23:47,745 --> 02:23:48,765
For 42 jobs,

2253
02:23:49,745 --> 02:23:53,725
we approved 143,000 $165 in performance

2254
02:23:53,735 --> 02:23:55,005
based tax incentives.

2255
02:23:55,665 --> 02:23:59,045
Um, poly lies a German textile manufacturer

2256
02:23:59,585 --> 02:24:03,805
and, um, a $31 million capital investment average wage

2257
02:24:03,865 --> 02:24:06,485
of 47,028 jobs.

2258
02:24:07,075 --> 02:24:09,365
This is an expansion for Poly Lies,

2259
02:24:09,695 --> 02:24:12,245
which opened their first operation in Forsyth County

2260
02:24:12,425 --> 02:24:13,605
in 2014.

2261
02:24:13,825 --> 02:24:17,005
In part due to incentives provided about by Versaci County

2262
02:24:17,065 --> 02:24:18,085
and Winston-Salem,

2263
02:24:18,665 --> 02:24:23,085
we approved performance based incentives up to 291,183.

2264
02:24:23,975 --> 02:24:26,645
Third project was Reagent Chemical Services at

2265
02:24:26,645 --> 02:24:29,005
United Kingdom Industrial Chemicals manufacturer

2266
02:24:29,595 --> 02:24:32,725
5.63 million capital investment, average wages

2267
02:24:32,725 --> 02:24:35,445
of nearly 60,030 jobs.

2268
02:24:35,855 --> 02:24:37,845
Board of County Commissioners approved performance,

2269
02:24:37,845 --> 02:24:41,765
performance based incentives for up to 53,962.

2270
02:24:42,385 --> 02:24:44,005
But we also improved applying

2271
02:24:44,065 --> 02:24:47,445
for a 350,000 building dollar building use

2272
02:24:48,085 --> 02:24:50,965
reuse grant from the State Rural Economic Development

2273
02:24:51,165 --> 02:24:52,885
Division on behalf of Reagent.

2274
02:24:53,985 --> 02:24:55,925
And then WH Farms, the fourth company

2275
02:24:55,985 --> 02:24:59,365
of plant-based botanical products, manufacturer of wellness

2276
02:24:59,465 --> 02:25:00,645
and cosmetic products.

2277
02:25:00,985 --> 02:25:04,045
2.96 capital investment, million capital investment

2278
02:25:04,315 --> 02:25:05,445
between 41

2279
02:25:05,445 --> 02:25:08,725
and 44 jobs average weighs right at seven, uh,

2280
02:25:08,725 --> 02:25:10,485
80,000 79, 8 34,

2281
02:25:10,945 --> 02:25:12,565
and we approved applying

2282
02:25:12,625 --> 02:25:15,885
for a 400,000 building reuse grant from the

2283
02:25:15,885 --> 02:25:17,405
North Carolina Commerce Department.

2284
02:25:17,695 --> 02:25:20,365
Fifth bundle groundbreaking ribbon cuttings

2285
02:25:20,365 --> 02:25:22,725
and special events in March.

2286
02:25:22,725 --> 02:25:23,965
Ribbon cuttings were held

2287
02:25:23,985 --> 02:25:26,445
for the Dudley Watts Park at Be Blues Lake.

2288
02:25:27,145 --> 02:25:29,285
Um, in um, June we had,

2289
02:25:29,505 --> 02:25:32,565
we actually held the Highland Avenue Center, um, uh,

2290
02:25:32,635 --> 02:25:35,565
celebration for the, the, um, auditorium,

2291
02:25:35,585 --> 02:25:39,605
the Highland Avenue Park, um, actually in mid-June in July

2292
02:25:39,605 --> 02:25:41,805
and open house was held at the Phoenix House

2293
02:25:41,865 --> 02:25:46,485
for a six bed residential facility for youth in DSS custody,

2294
02:25:46,765 --> 02:25:48,245
awaiting new placements.

2295
02:25:48,745 --> 02:25:51,485
He has ribbon cutting for Tanglewood Clubhouse on

2296
02:25:51,485 --> 02:25:55,125
October 27th in the budget arena bus busy

2297
02:25:55,125 --> 02:25:56,645
year, um, in January.

2298
02:25:57,065 --> 02:26:00,885
Tax reappraisal, um, was uh, marked by an extraordinary

2299
02:26:01,025 --> 02:26:05,405
and historic 51% average increase in property values over

2300
02:26:05,405 --> 02:26:06,485
the previous four years.

2301
02:26:07,105 --> 02:26:10,445
In June, the county sold general obligation two thirds bonds

2302
02:26:10,795 --> 02:26:14,125
that were rated AAA by Moody's and Standards and Poors and

2303
02:26:14,325 --> 02:26:17,005
provided 35.4 million for capital needs.

2304
02:26:17,775 --> 02:26:19,845
Those needs included 16 million

2305
02:26:19,865 --> 02:26:21,925
of capital maintenance projects for the library,

2306
02:26:22,465 --> 02:26:24,645
the Sheriff's Office, parks and Recreation,

2307
02:26:24,945 --> 02:26:27,045
and the community college and schools.

2308
02:26:27,505 --> 02:26:31,405
The remaining 19.4 million was set in reserved to be used

2309
02:26:31,405 --> 02:26:33,045
for the new Ashley Elementary School.

2310
02:26:33,665 --> 02:26:37,965
In June. We adopted a $591 million budget

2311
02:26:38,425 --> 02:26:41,525
and just a few highlights included a property tax rate

2312
02:26:41,525 --> 02:26:44,725
of 53 point 52 cents per a hundred dollars of value.

2313
02:26:45,605 --> 02:26:48,925
14.20 cents tax decrease following historic

2314
02:26:48,925 --> 02:26:50,285
reappraisal increases.

2315
02:26:50,285 --> 02:26:53,685
However, this rate is 4.48 cents

2316
02:26:54,015 --> 02:26:57,965
above the revenue neutral rate of 49.04 cents.

2317
02:26:58,265 --> 02:27:00,005
An increase was primarily needed

2318
02:27:00,065 --> 02:27:02,845
to reduce the county's reliance on fund balance.

2319
02:27:03,865 --> 02:27:06,125
The budget set the fire service district rates

2320
02:27:06,145 --> 02:27:09,365
to revenue neutral levels, um, following reappraisal

2321
02:27:09,505 --> 02:27:12,965
and includes a 1.40 cent tax increase

2322
02:27:12,965 --> 02:27:16,365
to the countywide fire overlay tax, bringing it

2323
02:27:16,365 --> 02:27:20,365
to 1.79 cents, which funded the recommendations

2324
02:27:20,365 --> 02:27:21,605
of our fire study committee.

2325
02:27:22,305 --> 02:27:25,045
Um, our new, um, um, funding formula

2326
02:27:25,145 --> 02:27:27,405
for the schools produced $180 million

2327
02:27:27,585 --> 02:27:29,045
for WINS sale for South County schools.

2328
02:27:29,625 --> 02:27:32,645
We supported public safety at 107 million Health

2329
02:27:32,765 --> 02:27:34,765
and Human Services at 97 million

2330
02:27:35,225 --> 02:27:38,485
and we had $1.8 million for community grants.

2331
02:27:39,235 --> 02:27:43,405
Last item was Winston State SISes County Schools challenges

2332
02:27:44,115 --> 02:27:46,885
this year was marked by significant challenges,

2333
02:27:46,885 --> 02:27:48,725
steming from the WINS state,

2334
02:27:48,725 --> 02:27:50,565
forsights County schools' financial crisis.

2335
02:27:51,345 --> 02:27:54,485
Um, commissioners work diligently to support, um,

2336
02:27:54,535 --> 02:27:58,005
offer support while safeguarding the county's financial

2337
02:27:58,205 --> 02:28:00,205
stability and protecting taxpayers.

2338
02:28:00,665 --> 02:28:03,005
In response, the board approved allocating eight

2339
02:28:03,005 --> 02:28:05,605
and a half million to assist with debt repayment

2340
02:28:05,865 --> 02:28:09,765
and authorized a debt forgiveness plan, um, dollar

2341
02:28:09,865 --> 02:28:12,285
for dollar matching if private funds were raised.

2342
02:28:12,665 --> 02:28:14,925
And as of this week five point,

2343
02:28:14,945 --> 02:28:19,005
the superintendent reported 5.68 million has been raised

2344
02:28:19,145 --> 02:28:22,765
to retire debt, which results in the SAT

2345
02:28:23,555 --> 02:28:25,245
results in $5 million.

2346
02:28:25,275 --> 02:28:29,565
Debt to the county. Being satisfied, pretty busy year.

2347
02:28:30,115 --> 02:28:32,925
It's been a real pleasure, uh, working with all of you.

2348
02:28:33,045 --> 02:28:34,805
I think you're all probably tired listening to that.

2349
02:28:35,385 --> 02:28:39,885
Um, but in any case, uh, we'll, we'll be ready to start.

2350
02:28:39,885 --> 02:28:41,725
Bright eyed and bushy tailed on January.

2351
02:28:42,025 --> 02:28:44,485
Uh, actually the Monday briefing on the 12th.

2352
02:28:46,205 --> 02:28:48,445
I think there's no other business. We shall stand adjourn.

2353
02:28:49,195 --> 02:28:50,085
Have a happy holidays.