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It is Tuesday, August 18th, 2026, 7 p.m.

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I will call the city council meeting to

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order. Clerk Tone, would you please call

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RO?

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>> Council member Huckabe

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>> here.

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>> Council member Johnson

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>> here.

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>> Council member Lascoer

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>> here.

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>> Council member Price

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>> here.

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>> President Jen

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>> here. Thank you. Item three, pledge of

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allegiance. I invite everybody to stand.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Thank you. Item four, consent agenda.

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The consent agenda outlined below is

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hereby presented for action by the city

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council. Items may be removed from the

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consent agenda on the request of any one

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council member. Items not removed may be

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adopted by one action without debate.

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Removed items may be taken up either

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immediately after the consent agenda or

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placed later on the agenda at the

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discretion of the council president.

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» I move to approve the consent agenda as

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listed items 4 A through G.

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>> Second.

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>> We have a motion and a second. Any

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discussion?

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Seeing [snorts] none, all those in

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favor, please signify by saying I.

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>> I.

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>> Any opposed? Motion carries. Item five,

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public hearings. Tonight we have none.

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Item six, public comment for matters on

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the agenda. The city council will

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receive comments from city residents.

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Comments are limited to three minutes

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per individual. Anyone wishing to speak

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is required to sign up in advance or

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state the following for the record when

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called upon. Name, address, and contact

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information. Note for those on Zoom, if

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you wish to speak, please raise your

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virtual hand as the chat box is not

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monitored and those on the call must

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remain muted unless recognized to speak.

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Uh, starting off tonight, we have one

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person in person signed up, Dave

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Sculland,

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>> Dan, sorry.

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>> for the public comment for the first

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part.

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>> Can you come up to the microphone and

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state your name and address for the

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record, please? Just make sure that

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green light is on before you start

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speaking.

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Okay, press that button.

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>> There we go. Hi, my name is Dan Scullan.

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Um, born and raised here in Fort

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>> Can I just get your address for the

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record right away?

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>> Yes. 614

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Monroe Street.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yeah. Um, my concern, and it sounds like

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it's been uh talked about before, but

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there is just a plethora of electric

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vehicles being driven in and around

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town. Um, many of the pilots of these

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vehicles are really, really little.

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They're on the sidewalks. They're in the

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streets. They're going from the

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sidewalks into the streets. They're not

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looking where they're going. And um on

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my street alone, it's a regular

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occurrence to see uh electric

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motorcycles with uh two kids on the same

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bike, same time coming down the street,

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lickety split, no helmets, wearing

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shorts, tennis shoes, and I'm just

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really concerned. I myself have had a

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couple of uh

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incidents, let's just call them, where

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uh I've had to break abruptly for uh a

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kid, almost always a kid that's coming

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through an intersection or coming off

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from a sidewalk and onto the street. And

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I understand that there's some work

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being done on this. Um, and hopefully uh

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we can get something done to uh keep

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somebody from being seriously hurt. I

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also understand that [clears throat]

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there's a problem with um the uh

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motorized bicycles that there's a

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distinction that allows them to be on

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the uh on the roads. And I'm just

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curious if if says on all of the U bike

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paths it says no motorized vehicles.

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pedals, but 60% or more of the time

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they're not being pedal and they're

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going far faster than normal person

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would be riding the bike. So, I'm just

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hoping that uh something can be done so

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we don't have a real tragedy.

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And that's all I really came for.

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>> Thank you.

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>> All right. Uh we don't have anyone else

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signed up for in person for the first

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public comment. So, this will be a first

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call for anyone on Zoom wishing to

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provide public comment for matters on

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Is that you? Uh, Miss Brooks,

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you need to unmute yourself.

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Mrs. Brooks, you need to unmute

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yourself. We can't hear you.

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Hi, I'm Jean Brooks. I live on 1113 LC

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and um I just want to say that um as an

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elderly person

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I I really like riding my electric

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bicycle and it's very helpful for me to

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get around with that and I so I hope

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that we take that into consideration and

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that's really all I wanted to say.

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>> All right, this will be a second call

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for anyone on Zoom wishing to provide

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Third and final call.

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Seeing none, we will close out public

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comment and move on. Item seven,

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petitions, requests, and communications.

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7A is a proclamation celebrating Jeff

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Armstrong on the occasion of his

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retirement and proclaiming August 18th,

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2026 as Jeff Armstrong Day in the city

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of Fort Atinson. We have director of

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public works Nean tonight.

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>> Thank you. Uh just a couple of remarks

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here before we present the proclamation.

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Uh just want to give a sincere thank you

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and and show the gratitude and

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appreciation from the city of Fort

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Atinson for Jeff and his time with the

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city of Fort Atinson. Jeff has spent

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count countless nights and weekends with

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the fire department. Was on call 247 for

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over a decade as the city electrician

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and has spent the past roughly two years

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ensuring a safe drinking water supply

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for the city of Fort Atinson and

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tackling big projects such as the lead

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service line replacement project. Uh

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time it's time for Jeff to relax, enjoy

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the fruits of his labor, spend time with

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the grandkids and everything else that

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retirement brings. and just want to

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again give a big thank you and uh

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gratitude and appreciation from the city

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of Fort Atinson.

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>> All right. Thank you.

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>> I move to approve the proclamation

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celebrating Jeff Armstrong on the

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occasion of his retirement and proclaim

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August 18th, 2026 as Jeff Armstrong day

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in the city of Fort Atinson.

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>> Second. [clears throat]

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>> We have a motion and a second. Any

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further discussion?

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I will happily read this one uh off. Uh

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we have a proclamation recognizing Jeff

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Armstrong on the occasion of his

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retirement and proclaiming August 18th

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as 2026 as Jeff Armstrong day. Whereas

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the city of Fort Ainson would like to

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recognize Jeff Armstrong on his 23 years

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of service to the city of Fort Ainson

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between the Fort Atinson Fire

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Department, a city electrician and most

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recently as water utility

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superintendent. Whereas Jeff Armstrong

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Jeff started his career as a city as a

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paid on call firefighter for 23 years.

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And whereas Jeff where for 11 years Jeff

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served as a city electrician and whereas

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Jeff stepped up as a water utility

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superintendent and has served that

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position for nearly four years. Whereas

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has helped to oversee the lead service

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line replacement process. And whereas

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the city of Fort Ainson values the

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experience, the dedication of Jeff

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during his time with the city, the Fort

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Atinson water depart utility.

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And whereas the working for the city,

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Jeff has brought his experience and

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skill to his position. And now

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therefore, I, Kyle Jacel, city council

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president of the for city of Fort

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Atinson, and my council colleagues, do

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hereby recognize Jeff Armstrong on his

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retirement from the city of Fort Atinson

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after 23 years of distinguished service

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and proclaim August 18th, 2026 as Jeff

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Armstrong Day in the city of Fort

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Atinson.

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So with that, I will we have the motion,

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a second. All in favor? I.

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>> Any oppose?

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Motion carries. Invite Jeff come up for

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a picture.

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» Thank you all. It's been a pleasure

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meeting all of you and working with you.

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Same entire city. I'm going to miss it.

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A lot of friends, a lot of a lot of good

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times. So, thank you so much. Thank you

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Get your gift.

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I want to hold it too.

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again. [laughter]

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» I will just note it has been a great pleasure working

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with Jeff not only as being on council

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but in my regular full-time job of

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professional development with them. So

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Jeff.

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>> You've put your time in. Thank you very

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much, Jeff.

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>> We'll see you soon, I'm sure.

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>> All right, moving on to item 8,

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resolutions and ordinance. 8A is a first

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reading of an ordinance to amend section

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of the city of Fort Atinson municipal

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code relating to the sale of tobacco,

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nicotine products, electronic smoking

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devices, and electronic smoking device

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paraphernalia near certain locations. We

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have police chief bump tonight.

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>> Hello everyone.

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Uh so back in 2022, we it was the last

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time we updated this ordinance and

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included specialized locations like

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schools where we wanted to try to keep

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some of these uh shops that are

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dedicated to selling nicotine, tobacco,

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vape products uh too close to our

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schools and too close to our youth. Um,

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as time has gone by, uh, I took another

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realized there's a couple other

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locations that we should probably not be

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losing focus on. And that's some of our

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locations where we put a lot of time and

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effort into mentoring youth, not only

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during the school hours, but after hours

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as well. Um and then additionally while

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we went through that ordinance and

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through the ordinance review committee

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identified some other areas like

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increasing the age to 21 so it aligns

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with the state and federal government

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guidelines and so our ordinances in

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line. Uh some of the kind of the main uh update in the ordinance

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beyond the 21 years old though is

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identifying and um defining what

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locations are so they make sense. And

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that would be locations uh that mentor

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our youth. And through my research, we

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came up with language that identified

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those uh locations. And in the ordinance

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draft and also in the memo, you can see

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that uh we talk about youth serving

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organizations, youth centers, and any

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out of time out of school time

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programming locations. And that's from

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what I learned that is a more of a legal

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term to identify some of those

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locations. So, I updated the

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restrictions to include those locations

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and then also city parks where we know a

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lot of our youth uh spend time in the

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hopes that we can reduce the amount of

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businesses that might open up near those

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locations, but also not losing focus on

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the point that these are for businesses

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that make 50% or more of their profit

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from the sale of those specific items.

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So, a gas station, a grocery store, a

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convenience store, those would not fall

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in line with this. But a store

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specifically that sells those items like

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a like a tobacco or vape specific

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business, we would want to restrict them

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from being too close to those youth

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areas. Uh, and try to prevent their

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either intentional or unintentional

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marketing that often grabs the attention

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of our youth. Um, I'm open to any

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questions and I know there are going to

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be a few. Uh so uh let me have it.

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>> Uh first uh I I did we did provide uh

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the city council with a with a map um of

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uh what this uh what the thousand foot

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radius that's proposed um looks like for

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city parks uh and uh after out of school

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youth programming locations and youth

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centers. uh as well as what the current

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ordinance uh already uh where the

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current ordinance already prohibits

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these shops which is within a thousand

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feet of a public or private school. So I

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will um go ahead and um pull uh that up

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so the public can see it uh as well

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here.

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I'm looking at your map and it

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doesn't like look like a radius. It

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looks like 90% of the city won't be able

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to have that. Um,

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how old do you have to be to buy these

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products?

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>> 21. And that's why we're looking to

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upgrade update that part of the

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ordinance as well. So, 21 years old.

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>> That's a state law. Correct. 21.

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>> State and federal law. Correct.

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>> And Fort Atkinson is going to supersede

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that with its own law.

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>> No, we're going to adopt and and align

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with those standards.

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Um,

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so these products are legal to sell in

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the format they're being sold now, but

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we're going to make them illegal to be

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sold, but only at certain location. Not

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here, but here, here, not here. Like if

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you're a gas station, you can sell them.

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>> So the city ordinance is written in a

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way that allows any business that sells

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these products where they sell other

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items um that it wouldn't affect those.

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So, no gas station, grocery store, no

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existing business would be impacted by

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this ordinance change. This would be a

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new business that's solely focused on

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the sale of tobacco, nicotine, vape

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products as defined by the ordinance in

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state law, would not be allowed to open

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that store if it was too close to any of

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these locations where our youth uh

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congregate.

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>> The map you provided me doesn't look

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like it'd be too close. anywhere in Fort

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you couldn't go pretty much.

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>> And like I said, it doesn't impact any

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current businesses. It would only be

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future businesses that are solely

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focused on the sale of these items.

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>> So, it's it's curbing any new businesses

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coming into town versus the existing

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businesses.

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>> Any new tobacco, vape or nicotine

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stores, it would make them they would

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have to follow a little bit more

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stringent uh positioning and they

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couldn't just open anywhere. Correct.

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the ones that are open now, if they if

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[snorts] the change of ownership

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appeared, would that affect the the

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change of ownership?

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>> No. It's only for a new business that

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doesn't already exist that wants to move

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into that space.

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>> So, I assume that we acknowledge that we

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must have a problem with people under 21

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using these products. Correct.

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>> Uh around the world, correct?

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>> Well, in a city of Fort, where are they

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buying them? Um, I think there's lots of

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ways that youth get items that they're

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not legally able to obtain. Uh, so they

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can get them from fake IDs, from buying

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them without being IDed, friends that

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are old enough, family that's old

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enough, taking them from family or

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friends. I think there's lots of ways

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that youth get a hold of items like

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nicotine.

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>> This this will will curb that.

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>> This will probably not curb that. What

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we're trying to do is reduce uh the

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opportunity for youth to be to find it

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intriguing to try. We're trying to do

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our part at the local level as well as

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the state and federal level. They do

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their do what they do because our goal

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as a society is to reduce nicotine use,

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youth smoking, uh because there are

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gateways to other things like alcohol

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and drugs as well.

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>> We want to reduce that. I'm I'm not

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trying to bump heads with you, but I'm

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sure that I am to some degree bumping

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heads with you. You're just asking

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questions and I'm okay answering them

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>> because I see law being generated by

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state officials who are elected and that

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city officials who are not elected

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shouldn't generate laws in my opinion

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and looks like we're generating a new

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law and we're targeting certain people

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in certain locations and

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it it's already ineffective. It's not

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going to change because the same people

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are doing it. They're just going to go

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to Jefferson and get what they want or

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they're going to go to Helenville and

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get what they want. It's not going to

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change anything. So, all we're doing is

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exercising uh a power play on taking

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over stuff in a position that we're

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going to be ineffective and not do it

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anyways.

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>> I would wager to say that my philosophy

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on crime prevention and public safety

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vary a lot from yours. I don't see it

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that way. I think that we equally at all

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municipal levels and as adults, parents,

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mentors of youth need to do anything we

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can to leverage situations in our power

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to help make our community safer and our

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kids safer.

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>> Okay. Um so these sales won't be allowed

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at these places to people over 21

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either. Correct.

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>> Any store that opens in the city can

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legally sell that item from their store.

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we we're not infringing on the ability

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to sell items legally in the city.

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>> This ordinance just um doesn't allow it

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to be that store to be opened from

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certain distances of areas that we find

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appropriate to protect where our youth

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are um most commonly at. Uh I that

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sounds correct in a lot of ways to me,

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but this map that you provided us with

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doesn't follow that near certain

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locations. It's like inside the city

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limits, it's not going to be permitted.

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That's a little different than just near

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someplace.

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>> We currently have eight correction, I

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looked at the wrong. We currently have

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16 locations in the in the city that are

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licensed where you can go buy any of

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these products that people who use those

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products uh can go buy them at. So, I

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don't think that we're restricting the

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opportunity to buy them. We're just

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selecting locations where we would

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rather you not sell those items because,

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like I said, we're trying to look out

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for the youth in our community. We want

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to prevent them from smoking uh and

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using vape, which can sometimes get out

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of control. We put a lot of time and

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effort every year into coaching,

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mentoring, and developing our youth. Our

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police department does that with our

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DARE program specifically towards drugs

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and nicotine. Um, and so like our goal

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is to do other things, not just one

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thing to help prevent our youth from

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picking up habits that are unsafe uh for

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them. And that's I feel is a important

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part of what I do or what I've done in

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my 28-year career is to do everything I

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can to leverage the abilities of our

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community to make sure it's safe and our

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kids are safe.

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>> And I again I I don't like the idea of

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bumping heads with you. I don't like the

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idea that young kids use these things,

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but the state the state has already

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forbidden it. The state has already made

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it illegal. Um, we've they have been

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ineffectual and unable to curb it now,

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even in the city of Fort. This should do

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nothing.

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>> I guess if we had that approach in a lot

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of different areas, we'd live in a lot

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different world. But we always try our

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best to do things that we think are

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going to positively impact the safety of

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our community.

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>> Other questions?

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>> Not to cut you off there, Bruce, but um

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can we allow some of the other council

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members to kind of ask a few questions?

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>> Okay.

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>> Thank you.

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>> When they're done, I probably will talk

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again.

522
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>> Okay. Um, I had asked to see if you

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could bring some information on the

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stats for enforcement of violations by

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minors and retailers that we have in

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port. I was able to find the Jefferson

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County and state stats, but I also

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wanted to correct in my research. I

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found the federal [clears throat] put in

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the 21 um age limit on the federal level

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in 2019

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and the state has not yet adopted that.

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It's still 18 in the state. So I have

534
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some questions about that but okay

535
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>> I just wanted to correct that for you.

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>> Go ahead.

537
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>> Um you had asked about efforts that we

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take and and our enforcement actions. So

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our agency our city uh along with the

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whole county of Jefferson are part of

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Wisconsin winds and Wisconsin winds

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comes out and does an annual check at

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every one of our licensed facilities in

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the city every year. Uh, and what we do,

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and it's more, it's not necessarily

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enforcement, but it's a check and

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verify, educate, and remind all of our

548
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,080
retailers in the city, uh, to make sure

549
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,000
you're carding, make sure you're not

550
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,559
selling to minors. Um, and if any of the

551
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,200
retail retailers do sell to minor, then

552
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,520
we address it with them, educate,

553
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,120
mentor, make sure that, you know,

554
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,120
they're fixing that and working with

555
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,600
their employees to do better. the other

556
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760
locations that don't sell and pass the

557
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,000
test, they get a nice letter. Uh, and

558
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,120
then we annually, uh, as a city, uh,

559
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,039
write a nice little letter and do a a

560
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:08,960
social media blast on it as well to kind

561
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,880
of draw attention to that.

562
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,679
>> So, that's one big enforcement area that

563
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,000
we take. Our school resource officer

564
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,760
really runs into most of these

565
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,400
violations because he's at a location

566
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,640
where most of our youth are during the

567
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,840
day. Um, so a lot of enforcement action

568
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,000
doesn't always end up in a citation or a

569
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,720
documented um,

570
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,360
u warning, but sometimes it's

571
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,039
confiscation. It's school discipline

572
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,280
instead of police discipline or law

573
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,480
enforcement discipline, I should say,

574
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,120
actually. Um, and so it's handled at a

575
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,280
school level. They're confiscated and

576
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,039
destroyed. And but there is still

577
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,520
enforcement action that happens uh by

578
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,080
our officers. So in the last you would

579
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,159
ask 2024 25 and year to date 2026.

580
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:56,080
>> So 2024

581
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,280
um juveniles in possession of vape we

582
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,880
had 10 citations issued in 24 11 and 25

583
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,080
and we have four so far this year. Uh

584
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,760
juveniles in possession of controlled

585
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,559
substances which goes along with our the

586
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,200
vapes. A lot of times we seize a vape

587
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,400
and it we find out that it's THC vape.

588
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,799
um six citations um actually seven

589
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,960
citations are separated here. Sorry. Uh

590
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,919
in 2024, eight in 2025, and five so far

591
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:31,039
or four so far in 2026. And then

592
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,279
juveniles purchasing tobacco or vape,

593
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,200
we've had one every single year for the

594
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,120
last three years where that was

595
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,679
addressed um because they purchased

596
00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:40,400
them.

597
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,880
>> Okay. I appreciate that because what I

598
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,080
found too is the putting that federal

599
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,360
law in um and correct me, you might know

600
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,107
this better than I do, but the all

601
00:24:52,107 --> 00:24:53,679
[clears throat] of the main retailers

602
00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:55,760
have to adhere to the federal law.

603
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,240
>> Yep.

604
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,080
>> And um so they're carding anyone that

605
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,840
they think is under 21.

606
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,520
>> I'm not sure why the state hasn't

607
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,000
adopted or changed along with it. Maybe

608
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,840
it's out of necessity that there isn't a

609
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,320
need to because you can't be less

610
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,080
restrictive than the federal government.

611
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,840
And I'm assuming that's why they haven't

612
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,360
done anything with it.

613
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,240
>> Uh so

614
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,080
>> there are some bills on the floor. So

615
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:18,880
hopefully

616
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,480
>> it wouldn't surprise me, you know, like

617
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,080
we bring ordinances to you like the

618
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,799
ebike one we'll talk about later where

619
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,320
you know things have changed so we

620
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,919
should update our ordinance so it aligns

621
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:30,799
with and doesn't contradict. So

622
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,600
>> well and the the trend has been from

623
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,480
what I had seen since that federal age

624
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,120
limit went in place the trend has been

625
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,919
going down which is excellent and then

626
00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:44,240
the ordinances that municipalities have

627
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,400
put in you know limiting the space

628
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,400
whether it be 1,000 ft 500 ft um around

629
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,120
schools or I've also seen legislation

630
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,240
like up in um Superior Wisconsin they

631
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,600
limited how many retailers they could

632
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,919
have per number in population

633
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,320
>> kind of like a liquor license like sure

634
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,039
that makes sense.

635
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,000
>> Yeah. So there's some things there. Um

636
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,960
so you're not seeing are you seeing a

637
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,840
lot of repeat in your that I didn't ask

638
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,200
that question in my email.

639
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,960
>> Uh are you talking about the juvenile

640
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,360
offender? I didn't track that

641
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,440
information. Um curious.

642
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,360
>> A lot of times when we do the queries

643
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,520
within the system, it pulls out raw raw

644
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760
data per violation, but it doesn't give

645
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,679
us we'd have to go into every every

646
00:26:29,679 --> 00:26:31,600
single case and compare them.

647
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:31,919
>> Okay.

648
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:35,279
>> Um you know, I will also say that my

649
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,919
officers confiscate a lot more tobacco

650
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:40,320
than they write tickets for

651
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,320
>> because a lot of times the that's like

652
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,559
the second or third tier down item that

653
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,400
they're dealing with with that juvenile

654
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,360
at that moment.

655
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,760
>> Okay. And a lot of times they'll like,

656
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,039
you're not supposed to have these and

657
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,080
I'm taking them and I'm going to tell

658
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,240
your parents about it. Uh, but now we're

659
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,120
going to address this issue. Um, so

660
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,440
>> a lot of times stuff doesn't get

661
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,840
documented in a way where it's tangible

662
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,600
in our RMS system.

663
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,360
>> Uh, but the officers are addressing

664
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:06,799
things right then and there,

665
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,039
confiscating uh, cigarettes and lighters

666
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,440
and stuff like that, vapes commonly.

667
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,360
>> Okay. And do we have any retailers that

668
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,240
have been cited? Um,

669
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,120
I know we have cited one. I know. Okay.

670
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,400
Off of memory. Um, and I don't I don't

671
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,240
we were struggling to pull the data out

672
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,000
of our RMS system because of the way

673
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,960
it's recorded and the the the queries

674
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,880
were able to pull out. So,

675
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,360
>> okay.

676
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,520
>> I got your information Monday morning.

677
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,440
Um, so and we were just struggling to

678
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,039
get that information and I understand

679
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:37,919
that and I appreciate

680
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:41,039
>> we don't we really don't write too many

681
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,919
citations to our business owners. Um, a

682
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:46,960
lot of times it's education and going in

683
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,159
there and confronting them about it and

684
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:49,200
say, "Hey, just so you know, this

685
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,960
happened." Um, and trying to work with

686
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,480
them that way because we don't we want

687
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,240
to have a good relationship with them.

688
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Yeah.

689
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,720
>> And we want them to do better.

690
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600
>> Okay. Because one of the national um

691
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,679
stats that I had seen was that there's

692
00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:05,279
more violations in strict um just smoke

693
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,919
shops versus um gas stations.

694
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:12,240
>> Absolutely. And so that's why I'm

695
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840
wondering if you're doing more

696
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,000
enforcement. I think we have two

697
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,520
>> dedicated smoke shops.

698
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,200
>> Um we have two that are tobacco

699
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,919
dedicated.

700
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:22,240
>> Okay.

701
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,640
>> Yeah. But um an additional one that's

702
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,520
licensed out of state requirement.

703
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,080
>> Uh but only but doesn't sell tobacco I

704
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,799
don't believe.

705
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,559
>> Okay.

706
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:39,269
>> Were you No. Okay.

707
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,240
Um there's uh one other one that is more

708
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,000
into um THC related uh products.

709
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,399
>> Okay.

710
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:49,360
>> That are legal but also but because they

711
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,679
sell vape, they're required to have the

712
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:53,200
tobacco licensed by the state.

713
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,039
>> Okay. So, have you guys delved into any

714
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:59,600
of the um confiscation of non FDA

715
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,039
approved?

716
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:01,679
>> Yes.

717
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:04,880
>> Okay. Um, so last year we brought state

718
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,320
agents out here to do a training for us

719
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,840
>> um to train all of our staff and then um

720
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,320
we also went out to a location um where

721
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,960
a lot of stuff was seized uh through the

722
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,760
state.

723
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,679
>> Um and that has happened a couple times

724
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:24,080
for that retailer and that retailer was

725
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,919
uh his license was revoked.

726
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:29,200
>> Okay. Okay. And I have a few more.

727
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,799
Sorry.

728
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,559
Um the other thing is is with our

729
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,480
municipal code, if this passes our

730
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,000
municipal code not matching the state um

731
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,159
age requirement,

732
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:44,480
there's some

733
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,080
drawbacks, but there's also some

734
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,240
benefits. Can you speak to that a little

735
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:48,720
bit?

736
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,640
>> So, you're asking me things I might not

737
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,200
I don't know that I can answer. However,

738
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,159
I do want to now ask a question of our

739
00:29:56,159 --> 00:30:00,559
city attorney um to make sure we're not

740
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,440
so you can't be less you can't be um

741
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320
less restrictive, but then how does the

742
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,080
federal and the state and then US work

743
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,000
in this area? And I don't have that

744
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760
answer for you. So, I'm going to have to

745
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,960
I'm going to want to learn that

746
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,399
tomorrow. um when we're talking about

747
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:21,200
the 21 versus 18 the federal government

748
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,440
adopting it the state not and then how

749
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600
does that impact us so I I want to learn

750
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,799
more about that tomorrow

751
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:27,760
>> okay because there

752
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,520
>> from the department of health services

753
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,720
the Wisconsin department of health

754
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,200
services website it does cite the uh

755
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,360
federal law of being 21 so in Wisconsin

756
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520
even though our state law hasn't been

757
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,919
updated to 21

758
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,240
>> the Wisconsin department of health

759
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,919
services

760
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,159
because it's more about the legality of

761
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:50,159
is this going to cause if you have

762
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:51,919
citations and are they going to have

763
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,880
more grounds to fight it, you know, if

764
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,840
they're 19. So, it's really that 18 to

765
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,200
20 year old

766
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,840
>> bucket. And the reality of it is is that

767
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,600
when our officers are in contact with

768
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440
someone that's 19 or 20, they're

769
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,039
probably not addressing that. They're

770
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,480
probably doing something else that's a

771
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,760
little higher on the list,

772
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,080
>> okay,

773
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,320
>> that they're addressing um

774
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,320
>> knowing that they are legal adults in

775
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,000
the state. So, um I could I don't police

776
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
on the street as much as I used to in

777
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,399
the, you know, when I was younger, but I know that we're not writing a lot of

778
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:28,399
tickets for that uh if any for uh people

779
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:29,840
that are 19 and 20.

780
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,919
>> Okay. Um my other thing I wanted to

781
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:36,320
point out and this was um speaking a bit

782
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,720
to Bruce's point that has the city

783
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720
attorney looked over how much of our

784
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,760
actual retail would be limited like a

785
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,559
percentage of what retail sites will be

786
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,880
>> we just had that map made finalized this

787
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,000
morning as a reference for you um so you

788
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
could visualize it and then so you could

789
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080
make decisions as you review this

790
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,399
ordinance. Um, you know, I drafted the

791
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:02,399
ordinance, brought it before you, tried

792
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:03,919
to give you guys all the good

793
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:05,039
information because you're the ones

794
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,000
making the decision.

795
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,399
>> Yeah.

796
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:09,360
>> So, um, you know, I want you to ask me a

797
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,600
bunch of questions so I can help you

798
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,760
make a good decision. So, there's no

799
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,679
argumentative back and forth. I'm trying

800
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:18,080
to help you with a drafted ordinance so

801
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,320
you can make a decision. Because the the

802
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,519
thing that I found too was that it could

803
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,760
if there's a large percentage of the

804
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,799
city that is specifically not available

805
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,519
to a specific retailer that's selling a

806
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,679
legal product, it could be some legal um

807
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:39,279
risk for the city. I think we I think we

808
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,000
as a city need to determine um is that

809
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,440
the type of business where we want as

810
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,360
many of them as we can get or are we

811
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,600
happy with the ones we have um or are

812
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320
there opportunities for building and

813
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,159
development and locations that that

814
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:55,760
aren't restricted that helps city

815
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,840
growth. I think there's a a few ways to

816
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,640
look at it. So, I think that just as the

817
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,039
city council, that's for you to

818
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,960
determine and for me to provide uh

819
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,799
provide something that we could do that

820
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,720
I think is good for our community.

821
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,600
>> Okay. And just for perspective, I

822
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,480
graduated in 1987 and I think the stats

823
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,080
were 36% of seniors were cigarette

824
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,880
smokers and now it's 1.7.

825
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,960
>> Yeah. So, I mean, there's major

826
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,559
improvements that have happened and

827
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,960
vaping hit its peak, I think, in 2023

828
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,200
from what I had seen, and it's starting

829
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,440
to come down. So, I think the the things

830
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,200
that are happening are definitely

831
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,039
helping and the enforcement that you're

832
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,919
doing and the outreach with the school

833
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:44,559
and your resource officer. So, thank you

834
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:45,919
for answering my questions.

835
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:49,509
>> You're welcome.

836
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,840
Further questions for Chief or take

837
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,120
>> Chief. Thanks for sharing that there

838
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,600
were 16 licensed locations in the city.

839
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,600
That's what I wanted to ask. Um it's a

840
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,600
number probably higher than I would have

841
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,559
guessed

842
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,080
>> and none of them would be affected by

843
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,320
any ordinance changes that we make.

844
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120
>> Exactly. And I I I think you can debate

845
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200
whether current laws have been effective

846
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,480
or not, but this ordinance amendment um

847
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,639
seeks to limit the proliferation of

848
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,879
those shops and the visibility of them

849
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:23,280
in areas highly um traversed by

850
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,839
individuals that can be swayed by um

851
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,760
by these shops, by the by the mere

852
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,320
existence of them. So um I appreciate

853
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,639
you bringing this to to us. Um I do

854
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:43,200
agree with you that there are areas um not wanting to lose focus on and um

855
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,280
but is your recommendation based in part

856
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,040
on like trends you're seeing across um

857
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,320
across other municipalities? So I don't

858
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,560
my research was nation with nationwide

859
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,399
data where a you know some

860
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:57,760
municipalities are trying different

861
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,960
things like the city parks um but the

862
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,280
schools that's a very popular thing

863
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,040
that's been go going on for years that's

864
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,240
why we adopted it four years ago um and

865
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,160
then the other new locations that are

866
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,599
popping up because we're always trying

867
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,760
to get our kids out of the house and

868
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,800
active like we were when we were younger

869
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,240
um but still trying to uh protect them

870
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,160
from

871
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:29,599
uh the urges of of uh advertising and stuff like that. So, um we're seeing

872
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,720
other locations that are uh worth

873
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,640
protecting. Uh, an example would be, you

874
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,640
know, any youth mentoring location like

875
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,400
our rec center or base or a YMCA or

876
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,079
types of businesses like that that are

877
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:48,960
really focused almost 90% or more on,

878
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,800
you know, helping youth and mentoring

879
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040
youth and having youth there and

880
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,560
present. So, I just I think uh based on

881
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,119
my experience, based on my research, um

882
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,920
I think these new locations are are a

883
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,400
good thing, not a bad thing.

884
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,720
Thanks.

885
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,760
Everybody got their questions in.

886
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Um, again, I'm I'm confused on a couple

887
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,680
issues. Um,

888
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,839
one one of them kind of being I don't I

889
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:19,359
don't want I'm coming across the wrong

890
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:20,800
to a lot of people, I'm sure, thinking

891
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200
I'm promoting juveniles using tobacco

892
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,920
products and baking and I'm not from

893
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,119
trying to promote that.

894
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,839
>> I don't think that. I I live in a

895
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,240
country where you're free to open up a

896
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,480
legal business and sell legal products

897
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,359
to adults who can legally buy them. And

898
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:40,800
we're somehow restraining that. And to

899
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,720
me, that doesn't make sense to me. It

900
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,480
doesn't make that it doesn't sound to me

901
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,800
like an appropriate thing for the city

902
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,280
to do. Um I don't think it'll be

903
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,440
successful. I think it that that's apparent because it's not

904
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,960
successful now and it's already illegal

905
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,839
for these people to buy them and possess

906
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:00,880
them and that didn't work. So, we're

907
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,320
going to make it harder [snorts] on

908
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,920
somebody who is old enough and somebody

909
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,760
who is legal and somebody who wants to

910
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,880
sell legal products to legal people and

911
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880
we're going to say, "Well, we decided we

912
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,359
don't want that you to come in here." I I'm a businessman. And I think that

913
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:18,079
that's that's not pro business to tell

914
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,400
somebody that we got 16 other places

915
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,359
that can legally do this, but not you.

916
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:26,240
That that to me is not not pro business

917
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,079
at any level. And it's also should be

918
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,040
almost illegal to do that when they're

919
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,280
selling legal products to legal adults

920
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,119
who can make their own decision about

921
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,280
whether they do that or not. And the

922
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,000
trend AC nationwide, smoking's going

923
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,240
downhill, smoking's ending, vaping's

924
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,040
ending. It's on a natural trail down.

925
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,480
We're not going to affect that. It's

926
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,240
going to go down and disappear at some

927
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,079
point. But again, I can't I can't say

928
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,440
that I'm it's more principled to me of

929
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,040
being an American and being what

930
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,280
Americans are supposed to think or do.

931
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,599
And if it's legal, you shouldn't be told

932
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,440
you can't.

933
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,950
>> Okay.

934
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,480
» I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.

935
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,520
>> Just to clarify, it's 50% of the sales.

936
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,119
Correct. Correct. 50.

937
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:17,520
>> So, businesses that are going to sell

938
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,079
these products but are selling other

939
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:21,200
things.

940
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,520
>> Yeah. It would affect a new gas station.

941
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,200
It would not affect a new grocery store.

942
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,119
It would not affect a Walgreens. It

943
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,040
would not affect

944
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
>> a 7-Eleven, a standalone convenience

945
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,680
store, nothing like that. Only a

946
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,960
business that is selling those products

947
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,400
specifically.

948
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,599
>> Thank you. Yep.

949
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,280
I move to perform the first reading of

950
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,480
the ordinance and direct the city

951
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,000
manager to prepare the ordinance for a

952
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
second reading on September 1st.

953
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,880
>> Second.

954
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,040
>> We have a motion, a second. Any further

955
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,400
discussion?

956
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,119
>> Um, yes. I move to amend the motion by

957
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:56,960
striking out the addition of the section

958
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,307
proposed in the redline draft in 58-148

959
00:39:02,307 --> 00:39:02,400
>> [clears throat]

960
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,119
>> um D item 3 and striking out the

961
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,079
definition changes in B items 5 through

962
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:11,750
8.

963
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Do we need to vote on it first or do we

964
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,280
vote on her motion?

965
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040
>> No, we need a second on the motion to

966
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,839
debate her motion.

967
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:20,320
>> Second.

968
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,320
>> Right. So, we have the motion, a second

969
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,240
on her mo motion or motion to amend. Is

970
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,400
there any debate on that?

971
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,800
>> I just kind of wanted to explain my

972
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,720
thought process around this. I spent a

973
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,839
lot of time with the our wonderful GIS

974
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:38,079
tool and mapping out the thousand feet

975
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:41,280
from all of the schools which covers a

976
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,480
lot of the prime real estate already or

977
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,160
retail real estate already. And I think

978
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,440
with the decline of um that people are

979
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,200
seeing across the nation and in our

980
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,359
state on the use of vaping and

981
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,640
everything else that this is a bit

982
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,000
performative maybe in the fact that it's

983
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,720
a large section of the city. And I think

984
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,480
we're we're in a natural decline as it

985
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,040
is. And I do agree with your point that

986
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,040
if we don't need to limit business, we

987
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,040
shouldn't at this point. And I think the

988
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
tactics that are being used are very, effective.

989
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,320
>> Yeah. I said, I'm not trying to promote

990
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,920
the use of these items for for

991
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,320
juveniles, but this seems like overreach

992
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,000
and only going to interfere with legal

993
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,839
people running legal businesses, and I

994
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,680
can't get on board with that.

995
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,000
>> Well, and I'm not necessarily convinced

996
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,480
it's the best tactic either. you know,

997
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,800
my kid I was a smoker, raised two kids

998
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,480
that do not smoke and um because I was

999
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040
constantly say don't even try one

1000
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
because I started in high school, you

1001
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,440
know, and I'll be a year free in

1002
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,280
October. So, but but I think that's

1003
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520
where the majority of the responsibility

1004
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,079
lies is in the education, in the

1005
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:06,870
schools, and in the parents.

1006
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
I've kind of gone back and forth with

1007
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,640
this. Um, you know, you brought it to

1008
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,079
the ordinance committee and I was very

1009
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:16,240
supportive. Um, but looking at this map,

1010
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,319
um, I I almost feel we need to lean more

1011
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,880
on the idea of maybe making a limit as

1012
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,839
to how many licenses for this item we

1013
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:28,640
can perform

1014
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,520
or give out. So, if we're at 16 now,

1015
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,920
maybe we make an ordinance in the future

1016
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,079
to um create that placeholder that we

1017
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,599
can only allow for 16 of these licenses.

1018
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,880
was I asked the city manager yesterday

1019
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,200
during a meeting that if it was at all

1020
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,960
possible to put this map together for us

1021
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,240
and my I I agree with um Council Member

1022
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,359
Johnson that you know this map show

1023
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:00,079
basically eliminates every location in

1024
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,680
the city that a retailer could

1025
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,400
potentially go into. I feel like that's

1026
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,280
a little on the strong side. I I do

1027
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,040
agree. You know, high school, middle

1028
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,040
school, those ones we shouldn't be

1029
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,240
trying to keep out because those are the

1030
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,839
ones getting closer to that age where

1031
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:18,480
they're going to walk in. And you know,

1032
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,640
there's a lot of 18y olds that look a

1033
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,760
little older that would maybe pass for

1034
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,599
that somebody just wouldn't think twice

1035
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,040
and would sell it to them.

1036
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,800
>> Yeah. Um,

1037
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,680
>> I I guess I would say if if there was a

1038
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,359
compromise somewhere in the middle, it

1039
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,839
would be to eliminate the park section

1040
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,240
of it, but also stay focused on the

1041
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,400
importance of locations like a base or a

1042
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200
YMCA or rec center and including those

1043
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,960
in there because that is 100% kids,

1044
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,920
vulnerable youth, uh, potentially. Um,

1045
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,359
and I'd really hate to see us not lose I

1046
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:54,880
would hate to see us lose focus of the

1047
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,520
importance of those types of locations.

1048
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Um, knowing that maybe because when I

1049
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,280
saw the map as well, I was like, well,

1050
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,640
that's a little bit more than I thought

1051
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,760
was going to happen.

1052
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,920
>> Um, but,

1053
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,680
um, so if you were to draft something or

1054
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,760
request an update that removed parks, I

1055
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,280
think we're still really doing a

1056
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,119
something good. And I will just throw

1057
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,960
that out there as something to think

1058
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,839
about. So, so to check protocol, we'd

1059
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,079
need to put [snorts] turn this down

1060
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,000
tonight and then and come back with

1061
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
another ordinance that addresses those

1062
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,240
issues different. Correct.

1063
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,000
No, you have a motion and a second on

1064
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,280
the floor right now to strike

1065
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,920
um to strike the red line version uh or

1066
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,119
the red line under D3, which is adding

1067
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,280
city parks, any out of school youth

1068
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,520
program, location, youth center or youth

1069
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,440
serving organization per the definitions

1070
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,160
included in B. And then the four

1071
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,079
additional definitions in B, the

1072
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:51,680
definitions of out of school time

1073
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920
program, the definition of youth center,

1074
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,359
the definition of youth serving

1075
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:57,359
organization, and the definition of out

1076
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:01,599
of school uh youth. Um so that is

1077
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:03,200
there's a motion in a second to strike

1078
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,720
those things. Uh this if that motion

1079
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,880
carries, you would then uh vote on the

1080
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,720
underlying motion, which has a motion, a

1081
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,839
second uh on the floor uh as well. And

1082
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,319
then uh staff would make those changes

1083
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:19,040
if that amendment was adopted and bring

1084
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,599
uh this back to uh the city council for

1085
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,319
a second reading at the next uh um city

1086
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:25,520
council meeting.

1087
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,720
>> And it does leave intact the um the

1088
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,480
change to mirror the federal age limit

1089
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,079
of 21.

1090
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,599
>> Yes, that's all this uh ordinance

1091
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,119
amendment would do would be to change

1092
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,960
the uh legal age from 18 to 21.

1093
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,599
And I agree with uh Council President

1094
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,960
Kyle that uh the idea of we if we wanted

1095
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,280
to attack this issue that we would

1096
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,079
license X number of places in the city

1097
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,760
and in advance when you come to the

1098
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,440
city, you'd already know that and you'd

1099
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,119
like a liquor license. I'm not opposed

1100
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,720
to having only so many liquor licenses.

1101
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,960
But I am opposed to a blanket map is

1102
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,440
what I see in front of me. I would just

1103
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,040
note that if you limit the number of

1104
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,280
licenses, that actually limits the

1105
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,040
number of licenses that folks can have

1106
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,240
for grocery stores, gas stations, and

1107
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,240
any other u um retailer that's selling

1108
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:22,319
tobacco as a side uh instead of these

1109
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:24,000
businesses which are the focus of the

1110
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,880
ordinance that are only selling or have

1111
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,079
50% or more of their sales are tobacco

1112
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,800
uh ecigarette and vaping devices. So, a

1113
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,599
limit on the total number of licenses

1114
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,000
would actually further limit any new

1115
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,800
business from coming to the city uh and

1116
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,880
selling any of those products.

1117
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,800
>> I don't I don't understand how that

1118
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,960
would would be if we're limiting the

1119
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,721
number of places that we've already se

1120
00:45:49,721 --> 00:45:51,440
[snorts] sectioned them out. We said if

1121
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,359
you make more than 50% of your income

1122
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,440
selling this stuff, that's who we're

1123
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,359
talking about.

1124
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:58,960
That's who would be getting the license

1125
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,040
or not. It'd be the same group.

1126
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,520
>> No. We're only talking about like uh

1127
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,720
tobacco land uh hemp.

1128
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,560
>> I can't remember the name of it. Hemp

1129
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,079
1848.

1130
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:10,560
Um

1131
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,680
>> Extreme Smoke, That's all this is about

1132
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,640
is businesses that specifically sell

1133
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,359
those items.

1134
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,520
>> All All gas stations and grocery stores

1135
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,240
that sell tobacco need a license. So any

1136
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,240
gas station, any grocery store that

1137
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,160
sells tobacco in the city needs a

1138
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480
license. Again, I'm just saying why are

1139
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,680
we not creating an ordinance that would

1140
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,240
target the ones that that he just listed

1141
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:35,599
for us and said

1142
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:36,640
>> no more of those.

1143
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
>> That's what we're trying to do. That's

1144
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,440
what this is.

1145
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,760
>> Yes. Not this map.

1146
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,079
>> By this by the definition that we have

1147
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,839
to follow that would create this rule.

1148
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,480
If we put the limit on of saying we only

1149
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,079
have 16 licenses as a quota, that means

1150
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,079
a grocery store that would want to come

1151
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,920
in, say, on the south side of town would

1152
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,560
not be able to potentially sell this

1153
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480
unless we had one of those 16 come

1154
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,040
available.

1155
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Okay,

1156
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,160
>> this would be Quick Trip, Pick and Save,

1157
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,119
Stop and Go, KPM Mart, uh BP, Walgreens,

1158
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,240
Family Dollar, Sitco, Lions, QuickMart.

1159
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,760
These are all of those locations that

1160
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,839
are licensed. All of those, it would not

1161
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:26,000
affect any business like that,

1162
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,880
>> right? 50% or more of their revenue has

1163
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,280
to come in from something other than the

1164
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:37,359
tobacco vape stuff combined.

1165
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:39,200
I really do think if there's a

1166
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,119
compromise to be had, it's remove city

1167
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,960
parks but still stay focused on the the

1168
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,480
locations that are very much like

1169
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,240
schools. Um, which already is, you know,

1170
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,640
something that we're, you know, we have

1171
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,560
active. So, I just throw that out there

1172
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,839
again as a maybe a thought before you move forward.

1173
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:01,520
>> That's something I could be very

1174
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,319
agreeable with because just looking at

1175
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:06,800
this map, you take out city parks, that

1176
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,720
basically makes about half it's about a

1177
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,520
50/50 shot in the city,

1178
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,960
you know. So, I would

1179
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,720
>> and if if whatever direction the council

1180
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,319
gives staff, we can certainly produce

1181
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:17,760
additional maps for the next city

1182
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,430
council meeting.

1183
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,870
So, if we move forward

1184
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,520
by taking these, let's say we approve

1185
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,640
the amendment I put in at the next

1186
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,240
reading, we could add an amendment

1187
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,599
because that would give us time to look

1188
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,000
at a map of what it would look like by

1189
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,960
just removing the parks.

1190
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,760
Correct? You could vote down your

1191
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,079
amendment and redo an amendment, come

1192
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,079
back next week with all the parks

1193
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:51,760
removed and then you can see what it is

1194
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,359
visually then. I think that's how you

1195
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:54,400
would want to do it.

1196
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,359
>> I No, that that would work. But there

1197
00:48:57,359 --> 00:48:58,800
there's a motion in a second on the

1198
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:59,680
floor right now.

1199
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,440
>> Okay. to uh to amend the ordinance to

1200
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,440
eliminate the things that I those four

1201
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,040
definitions as well as the uh section

1202
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,280
relating uh to prohibiting um these

1203
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,040
types of stores within a thousand ft of

1204
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,680
a city park or out of school um out of

1205
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,200
school youth programming location or

1206
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,359
youth center. So that's that's the

1207
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:23,200
amendment that is on the floor right

1208
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,880
now.

1209
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,640
We'd have to vote that down and then

1210
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,599
come back with a new one if

1211
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,270
so wanted.

1212
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,920
» I will that we will call the question on

1213
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,000
the amendment. All in favor?

1214
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,839
>> So wait, just so I'm clear, it is the

1215
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:42,079
amendment to the amended ordinance?

1216
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:43,119
>> Yes. No.

1217
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,160
>> No. No. This is the amend This is the

1218
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,720
amendment to the ordinance that's on the

1219
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,720
floor right now. So the ordinance

1220
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,760
changes on the floor. The amendment is

1221
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,839
to that ordinance change that's proposed

1222
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:56,800
that's in the packet.

1223
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,240
>> And me I'm thinking we're thinking the

1224
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,160
same two things. We have an amended

1225
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,000
ordinance in the packet today and we

1226
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,440
have an amendment to that amended

1227
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,720
ordinance that Right.

1228
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:05,680
>> Correct.

1229
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,680
>> Basically the amendment that we're going

1230
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,040
to take the vote on is to remove all the

1231
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,839
red line items except for the age

1232
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:15,599
change.

1233
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,520
>> So

1234
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,240
with that I will call the question. All

1235
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,520
in favor of the amended

1236
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,960
amendment to the ordinance amendment,

1237
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,400
please say I.

1238
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,520
>> I.

1239
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,720
>> Any opposed?

1240
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,599
>> Nay.

1241
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,839
>> That motion fails.

1242
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:39,599
>> So, we are back to the original um

1243
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,440
motion and a second to perform the

1244
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,240
reading. Is there any further discussion

1245
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:45,680
on this?

1246
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,680
>> And this motion will be on the amended

1247
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,559
form. the full out amendment that we

1248
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,720
have in front of us in the packet.

1249
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,040
>> Okay.

1250
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,200
>> At this time, if anybody wanted to make

1251
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,319
the amendment to remove city parks, that

1252
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:04,000
could be discussed.

1253
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,040
>> Okay. I'm going to try to do this right.

1254
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,760
Okay. I move to amend the motion by

1255
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,599
striking out the addition of city parks

1256
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,119
in the proposed section redline draft in

1257
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,839
58-148D

1258
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:25,760
item three and striking out

1259
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,920
I don't think there is a never mind just

1260
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,440
stop it right there because I don't

1261
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,160
think there's a definition of city park

1262
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,640
in your

1263
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,440
so let me say it one more

1264
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,599
I move to amend the motion by striking

1265
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:45,040
out city parks of the section proposed

1266
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,720
in the redline draft in 58-148D

1267
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,640
item three.

1268
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,480
>> Second.

1269
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,240
>> We have a motion, a second on the

1270
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,960
amendment. All uh any discussion?

1271
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,440
I think this is a much more feasible

1272
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,150
option for us to pursue.

1273
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Uh with that being said, I will call the

1274
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,559
question. All in favor of the amendment

1275
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,280
for the amendment ordinance, please

1276
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,800
signify by saying I.

1277
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,920
>> I.

1278
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,240
>> Any opposed?

1279
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,240
>> Motion carries.

1280
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:20,720
>> Thank you.

1281
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,119
>> The underlying we need to take action.

1282
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:24,960
The council um should take action on the

1283
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,800
underlying motion which is to perform

1284
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,960
the first reading of the ordinance and

1285
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,480
direct the city manager to prepare it

1286
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,880
for a second reading. Uh, and with the I

1287
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,559
would prepare the amended ordinance for

1288
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:35,920
a second reading and bring it back to

1289
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,440
the council on September 1st with

1290
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,599
additional maps.

1291
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,280
>> With that, I will call that question.

1292
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,359
All in favor, please signify by saying

1293
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:44,160
I.

1294
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,960
>> I. I.

1295
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,119
>> Any opposed?

1296
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:48,720
Motion carries. Thank you, Chief.

1297
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,000
>> You're welcome.

1298
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,920
>> Thank you, Chief Bump. I do I do

1299
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,520
appreciate how much you care about our

1300
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,720
city. I do.

1301
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,319
>> All right.

1302
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:00,800
Moving on to item 8B, first reading of

1303
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,800
an ordinance to amend multiple sections

1304
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,960
of chapter 62 of the city of Fort

1305
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,119
Atinson municipal code of ordinances

1306
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,520
relating to park regulations. Director

1307
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,400
of parks and recreation Dayton.

1308
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,319
>> Yes, thank you. Uh so these uh

1309
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:16,720
amendments are related to section 62 as

1310
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,480
you mentioned earlier. Uh the uh

1311
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,760
recommendations were uh a first

1312
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,760
recommended by the parks and recreation

1313
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,680
advisory board on June 10th and then

1314
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,400
again uh by the ordinance committee on

1315
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,920
July 21st. Uh the recommendations really

1316
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,400
focused on uh first reviewing the um or

1317
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,520
sorry was first reviewed and uh decided

1318
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,559
on by the parks and recreation advisory

1319
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,200
board uh rules and ordinance

1320
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,680
subcommittee. So we created a a group

1321
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,920
I'm there we go uh a subcommittee within

1322
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,319
the parks and recck advisory board to

1323
00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:59,280
spearhead this. Um and they were also

1324
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,480
given some information by staff as for

1325
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,720
best practices while also conducting

1326
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:08,160
their own research um and seeing what is

1327
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,599
out there in other communities as well.

1328
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:15,920
Uh the first uh amendment uh is to the

1329
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,720
animals and city park grounds uh section

1330
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:24,319
621. Uh this really is not necessarily a

1331
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:27,440
ban on animals in city parks. It's kind

1332
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,160
of addressing uh situations that pop up

1333
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,680
where uh everybody within that

1334
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000
subcommittee agreed to seeing at some

1335
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,160
point in time. Um we're really just

1336
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,160
looking to

1337
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,680
uh put out some areas that are uh easily

1338
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,319
identifiable like playgrounds, uh ball

1339
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,160
fields, and those s those types of

1340
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,640
facilities. and then have um have that

1341
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,680
as a gauge for hey, animals are not

1342
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,680
necessarily allowed on there. We've seen

1343
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,319
folks play fetch on a a freshly prepared

1344
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:03,040
ball field messing it up. Um those are

1345
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,200
the things that we're trying to avoid.

1346
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,720
So the um

1347
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,760
the other part is just the the

1348
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,839
playgrounds and and having other

1349
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:16,960
structures as well included in that. In

1350
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,480
addition to that, we are still having uh

1351
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,640
areas that are posted, but it doesn't

1352
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,119
require us to post every area like those

1353
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,200
easily identifiable uh facilities. Uh

1354
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,440
section 622

1355
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,160
uh is uh more or less related to

1356
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,359
protection protecting uh city property.

1357
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,280
The language that we added is

1358
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,760
specifically to like geocaching or metal

1359
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,440
detecting, which are really acceptable

1360
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,480
practices or or activities to do, but

1361
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,520
just providing some guard rails um that

1362
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,599
are really based on best practices um

1363
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,359
throughout the uh variety of uh

1364
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:02,400
counties. Uh the DNR has this for state

1365
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,720
parks. uh they have um I guess rules in

1366
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,400
place for uh this practice. Uh Walkshaw

1367
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,240
County, City of Madison, Jefferson

1368
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,040
County all have something in place that

1369
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,400
um kind of gives this activity guard

1370
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,000
rails. Um truly the intent is not to

1371
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,200
have people uh potentially uh damaging

1372
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,799
facilities

1373
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,319
um

1374
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,160
digging holes and random spots

1375
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,119
throughout the parks. It's uh really

1376
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,240
just well even putting uh affixing

1377
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,200
caches to like playground equipment. We

1378
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,839
want to keep it a fun and safe activity

1379
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,319
to do around the city. Um, I also want

1380
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:49,040
to note that geocaching.com

1381
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,040
also supports uh all of these um

1382
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,200
respectful ways of participating in this

1383
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,960
activity.

1384
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,960
Uh section 624 uh addresses alcohol and

1385
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,799
glass bottles. This is really more or

1386
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:07,280
less just cleaning up some of the um

1387
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,240
older intentions of the ordinance by

1388
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,440
removing bicesentennial park. uh that

1389
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,000
doesn't necessarily apply now. And then

1390
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,040
also um we still included Memorial Park

1391
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,880
because that is uh primarily used as a

1392
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,280
youth um or for youth activities. Uh

1393
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,920
additionally, new language was added to

1394
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,319
include uh hemp derived THC beverages

1395
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:36,480
and then also a citywide pro uh ban on

1396
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,359
glass bottles within the parks which is

1397
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:41,599
a bigger issue with littering. and then

1398
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,960
also broken glass. It's a safety issue.

1399
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Um the proposal for section 625 would be

1400
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,240
a new ordinance pro uh prohibiting

1401
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,559
smoking, vaping, ecigarettes within the

1402
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,680
city or public trails. Um the the intent

1403
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,160
for this is to promote uh healthier

1404
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,799
public spaces and reduce exposure to um

1405
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:07,680
community members, children uh from

1406
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,359
smoking and vaping during youth

1407
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:12,000
activities, community events um and

1408
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,920
other public gatherings within the

1409
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,839
parks. The under the proposal uh smoking

1410
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:19,760
and vaping would be limited to locations

1411
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,079
within the public right ofway uh

1412
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,599
adjacent to one of the given parks.

1413
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,119
Um

1414
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,520
and then the final amendment involves

1415
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,079
park operation hours. Uh that's just

1416
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,400
really uh having some consistent

1417
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,760
language across all the parks. So, um

1418
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,160
there's no financial impact to this and

1419
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,839
staff does recommend uh the parks and

1420
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:45,599
that the parks and recreation advisory

1421
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,319
board, the ordinance committee uh

1422
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,240
recommended

1423
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,559
ordinance that the council hold the

1424
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,240
first reading of the ordinance and

1425
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,640
direct city manager to prepare the

1426
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,960
ordinance for a second reading at the

1427
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,480
meeting on September 1st. I can take

1428
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,040
questions. Thank you. I'm just I'm I'm

1429
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,119
wondering the difference between what we

1430
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:11,280
just amended one to take the uh parks

1431
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,280
out of this map of what of this map that

1432
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,520
we're that we're looking at about where

1433
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,079
you can't sell these items.

1434
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:24,000
Um and you're going to replace it with

1435
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,839
you can't possess these items or can't

1436
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:27,520
use these items even if you're a legal

1437
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,160
adult.

1438
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,559
>> No. So that map was specific to a new

1439
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,319
business coming into town that would be

1440
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:34,640
selling that product.

1441
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,720
>> 50% more of their sales would come from

1442
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,200
that. That's not that's not

1443
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,839
representative of this ordinance change.

1444
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,880
This is just saying that um smoking

1445
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,359
within the park boundaries, smoking,

1446
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:51,760
vaping, etc. is just not prohibited. Um

1447
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,079
so it's not like it goes beyond the

1448
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,990
boundaries of the park.

1449
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,839
Okay.

1450
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:00,880
>> I have two questions.

1451
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,280
>> Yeah.

1452
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,079
>> Um on the

1453
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:06,160
item 625

1454
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,720
with the vaping and smoking on all um

1455
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,599
city park grounds. I think at the

1456
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,280
ordinance meeting you had said something

1457
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,559
they would include the trails and those

1458
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:20,960
kinds of things. So what's the plan to

1459
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,280
enforce it?

1460
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,880
Um [clears throat]

1461
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,240
so similar to other ordinances, other uh

1462
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,520
laws, I think Chief Bump uh really

1463
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,280
summed it up quite well where the number

1464
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,280
of citations that are actually issued

1465
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,960
>> uh are not what are not do not represent

1466
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,880
the actual number of call or uh

1467
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,359
interactions that uh his staff have with

1468
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:50,720
the public. So, um,

1469
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,640
>> it would likely be complaint based.

1470
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,160
>> It would. Yes. Correct.

1471
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:54,880
>> Okay.

1472
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,640
>> If there was an interaction, it would be

1473
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,680
complaint based.

1474
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,799
>> Okay.

1475
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:03,920
Um, what was my other question?

1476
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,240
Do you have problems in the like the

1477
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,280
bleachers and the stands like at the

1478
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,599
football fields or at the pool?

1479
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,680
Um, Jones Park.

1480
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:18,400
with

1481
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,200
>> with um smoking.

1482
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,960
>> Uh I mean, yeah, the

1483
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,720
um

1484
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,319
during youth events, uh flag football,

1485
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,240
uh baseball, every once in a while

1486
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,640
someone will

1487
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,880
start smoking and as a vapor or uh you

1488
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,480
know, as it does, it

1489
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,319
>> floats across the space. So there are um

1490
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:46,720
>> yeah there are issues that do pop up.

1491
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,079
Right now it's legal. So it's not

1492
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,240
necessarily like it's reported by any

1493
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,480
means. It's more or less self um

1494
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,640
uh controlled by staff like within the

1495
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,799
pool. Uh that's not allowed within the

1496
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:01,200
pool. So staff have to address it then.

1497
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,720
Um if youth group or a baseball club

1498
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,880
would have an issue with uh during a

1499
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,000
tournament, they would have to address

1500
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,200
it themselves.

1501
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,960
>> Okay? But there's nothing behind it.

1502
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,400
Nothing backing it up.

1503
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,040
>> Okay.

1504
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,640
>> There's not going to be park patrols out

1505
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,760
on the trails.

1506
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,839
>> Oh, no. No.

1507
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:20,319
>> Okay.

1508
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:22,400
>> And I have witnessed uh people at the

1509
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,400
aquatic center trying to sneak in a vape

1510
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,240
and staff does a pretty good job there

1511
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,000
of spotting it out and then going and

1512
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,839
reminding that person it's not allowed.

1513
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:37,440
>> Well, and I'm all on board with this. I

1514
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,880
just would hope it would be more

1515
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,160
targeted to where people gather. It it

1516
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,520
seems again a bit overreaching to

1517
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,359
include the trails and the outdoor

1518
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:49,920
areas. As a former smoker, there's very

1519
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,559
few places you can go, right?

1520
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,720
and there are smokers that are citizens

1521
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:59,760
here and that there's no um place but

1522
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,640
their back patio will you know it's not

1523
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,253
just I I totally agree with the

1524
01:03:07,253 --> 01:03:09,119
[clears throat] eliminating it where

1525
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,359
it's targeted targeted

1526
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:15,839
to protect where people gather you know

1527
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:18,640
the soccer fields and the um because I

1528
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,480
think you already can't do that on the

1529
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,400
school school grounds, you know, and I

1530
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,880
would I would definitely be in support

1531
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,640
of some sort of ordinance that defines

1532
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,119
the space. You know, there's no smoking

1533
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,280
or vaping within 50 feet of a structure

1534
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,799
or 25 ft of a structure of a city city

1535
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:43,440
park structure. Yeah, that that was um

1536
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,960
so I guess there were two different

1537
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,799
ideas that were uh I guess discussed uh

1538
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:52,640
specifically on this and one was this um

1539
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,240
like you said an alternative concept

1540
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,160
where it truly is just certain

1541
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,640
facilities a distance away from those

1542
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,480
facilities. the difficult the the issue

1543
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,559
that we kept coming up on is that you

1544
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:10,240
know if it's 50 ft or if it's uh a

1545
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,559
parking lot you know that's where you

1546
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,359
have to go um that's different in every

1547
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:17,200
space different park

1548
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,680
>> and so

1549
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,000
having a blanket uh a um doesn't make

1550
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,839
anybody have to think through where is

1551
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:28,720
this or potentially avoid any conflict

1552
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:29,760
where

1553
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,079
All right, it's 50 feet away from a

1554
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:35,520
playground. And then somebody starts to,

1555
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,000
you know, question what is 50 ft?

1556
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,760
>> What does that look like?

1557
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,440
>> So, uh, a blanket approach is was, uh,

1558
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,359
what we,

1559
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:48,720
I guess, saw as a best option.

1560
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,280
>> Okay. Because what was used in or what

1561
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,319
was adopted in Watertown was a

1562
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,480
compromise approach that protected the

1563
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,440
areas that people gather by having a

1564
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,440
distance a distance rule and also

1565
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,359
recognizing people's liberty too.

1566
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:09,440
>> Yeah, that actually that was one that

1567
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:18,319
was sent over uh as well. Um, and theirs stated uh 25 ft from

1568
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:20,480
uh these designated structures like uh

1569
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,960
playgrounds, athletic fields, etc.

1570
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,200
>> Um, when I looked at like a map of Jones

1571
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,240
Park,

1572
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,480
>> you've got the playground structure and

1573
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,160
25 ft away is the uh, you know, one of

1574
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,520
the park benches. Mhm.

1575
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,960
>> So that's still fairly close to the

1576
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,039
structure where you could still have

1577
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,799
this interaction.

1578
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:44,559
>> Um,

1579
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,200
which potentially could drive people

1580
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,760
away from using the park if they didn't

1581
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,160
uh, you know, didn't want to be there

1582
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,200
because of smoking.

1583
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,760
>> I would agree with uh, Councilwoman

1584
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,960
Huckabe that it should be more targeted.

1585
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,559
It'd be easier for me to get on board

1586
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,240
with the idea if it was targeted, not in

1587
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,240
the bleachers, not not in a group with

1588
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,039
parents and kids, not at kids events,

1589
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,839
but out on the bike trail south of town

1590
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:15,359
and nobody in sight. I I can't I can't I

1591
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:16,960
can't believe that that's quite what we

1592
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,559
need to be doing to that.

1593
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:19,039
>> Sure.

1594
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,280
>> And I would assume this takes it to that

1595
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,079
level.

1596
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:25,760
>> Uh I mean, again, it's it's um

1597
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,640
uh report based, right? So, somebody

1598
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,160
who's, you know, as you described, uh,

1599
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,359
just walking the trail, they wouldn't

1600
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:37,680
necessarily be

1601
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,400
>> they wouldn't be noticed,

1602
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,880
>> I suppose. I mean, they wouldn't nobody

1603
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,480
would call unless that person called and

1604
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:50,559
complained about themselves, right? It wouldn't happen. So, it's it's a um

1605
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:53,440
Yeah, it's truly just report based.

1606
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,720
This this is another one of those

1607
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,760
ordinances I believe falls back on

1608
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,240
discretion of the patrol officers at the

1609
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,079
time. Correct, Chief?

1610
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:06,390
>> Yeah,

1611
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,760
» I know I was on this subcommittee at the

1612
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,599
time with this and it it was a lot of

1613
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,440
research back forth. I know I did send

1614
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,240
you that link of water columns recently

1615
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,440
enacted April of 25 they enacted that

1616
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,799
ordinance which

1617
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:25,520
>> like you said once you start including

1618
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,440
these areas

1619
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,319
you know it it goes back to this you

1620
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:34,079
know map ideas where is that 25 ft where

1621
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:38,880
is 50 feet where you know I guess this

1622
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,480
is more so for the incidents where

1623
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,720
there's somebody smoking in

1624
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,559
gathering, there's an enforceable

1625
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,960
option. If you're out taking a stroll

1626
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,280
down the bike trail, I don't think um a

1627
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,640
patrol officer is going to roll up

1628
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,960
alongside you. You're out by yourself.

1629
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,319
They're not going to just stop you and

1630
01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:57,680
say, "Hey, you can't do that. Here's a

1631
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,069
fine."

1632
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,000
» I'm to perform the first reading of the

1633
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,760
ordinance and direct the city manager to

1634
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,960
prepare the ordinance for a second

1635
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,400
reading on September 1st.

1636
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,599
>> Second.

1637
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:11,280
>> A motion, a second. Any further

1638
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,960
discussion?

1639
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,359
We'll be able to amend it at the next

1640
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:18,080
one if we choose to. Correct.

1641
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,480
>> Yes.

1642
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,640
>> Well, I move to amend the proposed text

1643
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,520
of section 625 to strike the blanket

1644
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,719
prohibition and instead read as follows.

1645
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:31,040
Section 62-5,

1646
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,359
smoking and vaping restricted near park

1647
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,520
structures. It shall be unlawful for any

1648
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,520
person to smoke or vape tobacco, hemp,

1649
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,040
or THC products within a 25- ft radius

1650
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,279
of any designated park structure,

1651
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,319
playground, pavilion, athletic field, or

1652
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,640
permanent seating area with any city

1653
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,520
within any city park except as provided

1654
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,400
herein. Smoking and vaping are permitted

1655
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,880
on open park grounds and trails.

1656
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,159
>> Second.

1657
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:01,839
>> We have a motion and a second on the

1658
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:06,400
amendment. any discussion?

1659
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,359
>> I just think it's a better balance of

1660
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,239
governance instead of, you know, more

1661
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,880
rules that most likely are not going to

1662
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,440
create a complaint anyway if somebody's

1663
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:21,679
out in an open park. But it does address

1664
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:24,560
where it would be a nuisance and where

1665
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,600
um the ordinance makes sense to me. So,

1666
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,199
>> I feel like it would make more sense as

1667
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,799
a citizen to be able to say, "Could you

1668
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,120
please move to a public rideway instead

1669
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,719
of having to

1670
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:46,400
figure out what 25 ft is from this park

1671
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,080
bench versus that park bench?"

1672
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,600
So I I feel like that opens up more

1673
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,800
negative citizen interactions with each

1674
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:01,669
other to then

1675
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:03,920
have other people come in and make

1676
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,159
additional complaints when it could just

1677
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,800
be as simple as move to the public right

1678
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,440
away. I think that's something that we

1679
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:14,400
have in our bars. We used to be able to

1680
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,239
smoke in bars. We can't smoke in bars.

1681
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,640
It moved to the public right away. It

1682
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,199
matches then to keep people going to

1683
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,520
where they are familiar with knowing

1684
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,640
that they have to go outside of a bar or

1685
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,440
outside of a park. Now,

1686
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,760
>> I think the big exception though is the

1687
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,080
outdoor spaces that aren't any part of

1688
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,480
those facilities. You know, you're on a

1689
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,400
trail,

1690
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,760
you're going to leave the trail, you're

1691
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:40,960
going to go back to your car. You know

1692
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,360
what I mean? You're I just think it's

1693
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,560
too much limitation. and we have um

1694
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,800
the ability to choose to damage our

1695
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,960
bodies if we want to. You know, it's not

1696
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,080
a great idea, but it doesn't make it the

1697
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,080
government's responsibility

1698
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,480
to ensure you're making that choice. if

1699
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,960
it would be helpful uh similar to the

1700
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,520
map that was provided. Um, I mean that's

1701
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,360
always something that I put together

1702
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,920
with uh various park locations and

1703
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,320
showing you what that could look like.

1704
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:12,800
>> Um,

1705
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,120
>> with the 25 foot radius,

1706
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,120
>> various radiuses, I guess, but

1707
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,080
>> a lot of structures.

1708
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,000
>> That's a lot of Sorry,

1709
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,239
>> a lot of structures to put on a map. a

1710
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,600
an an example of how that may or may not

1711
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:31,440
truly show you what you're trying to uh

1712
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,199
what you're trying to or the amendment

1713
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:37,199
that you're proposing because um again

1714
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:41,600
that that debate that we had with uh you

1715
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,360
know what is 25 ft what's 50 feet um

1716
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,719
>> people have been able to figure it out

1717
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,520
for a long time because prior to like

1718
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,520
the hospital used to be 25 ft per

1719
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,400
entrances. That was the first

1720
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,080
that was the very first um

1721
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,400
rule that I remember about, you know,

1722
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,840
you couldn't be on either side of an

1723
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,920
entrance and you had to be 25 ft away.

1724
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,159
And we people figured it out. So, and if

1725
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,840
this is complaint based, we'll know

1726
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,679
pretty quickly.

1727
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,679
>> And I agree with that. I I I truly

1728
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:19,040
believe that if it's a 25 ft rule,

1729
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,640
nobody's out there with a tape measure

1730
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,719
going, you're only 22 feet away, but

1731
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,400
you've moved away from the crowd or

1732
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,480
moved away from the people and it's

1733
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:29,920
outside. I don't see a problem. Yeah,

1734
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,600
>> I agree with council member Price's uh

1735
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,199
point about uh creating confusion and

1736
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:42,880
arguments and disagreements over where

1737
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,520
you've stepped over the line of 25 ft

1738
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,669
that's not clearly marked.

1739
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:53,360
» And I I hesitate to think that people

1740
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,199
are out on the biking trail to go smoke.

1741
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,840
there's plenty of public sidewalks

1742
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,840
rightway areas that they can smoke

1743
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,159
before and after they get to the bike

1744
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:07,840
trail or any other trail. So, like I

1745
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,360
just I don't understand

1746
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:16,239
why like are we going to say that it's

1747
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:18,640
any structure? Like if I'm standing by

1748
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,120
something that's a geocache where kids

1749
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,920
are coming up to do the geocache and to

1750
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,880
play, is that now a structure? Like what

1751
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,480
counts as a structure? Is it a park

1752
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,360
bench? Does that count as a structure?

1753
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,110
So, I just

1754
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,120
I know we can choose to harm our bodies

1755
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,719
and that is somebody's own choice, but

1756
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:44,880
it's not something that we should

1757
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,120
subject kids to. If they're playing a

1758
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,000
game of tag in a field that's away from

1759
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,640
an athletic field, they shouldn't then

1760
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,239
have to be running through somebody

1761
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,360
else's smoke just because we can't say

1762
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,510
move over to the sidewalk.

1763
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,440
I'm not saying I'm going to condone any

1764
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,000
of this, but the idea of, you know, if

1765
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,400
we enact the full park ban stuff, um,

1766
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,640
again, back to my comment earlier with,

1767
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,800
you know, if patrol officer sees

1768
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,960
somebody out in the middle of, we'll

1769
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,840
just say, Rock River Park, um, walking

1770
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,400
or something, you know, out by yourself,

1771
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,920
I don't think they're going to stop and

1772
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,920
harass them, say, hey, you know, no

1773
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,199
smoking hurt. I think this is more of a

1774
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,920
when there's a big gathering, you know,

1775
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,760
this kind of there's a group of people

1776
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,159
moving around, it kind of keeps people

1777
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:37,679
from smoking right in the middle of the

1778
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:40,800
group or vaping or anything.

1779
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,719
So,

1780
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:45,440
>> I think of at Jones Park, there are

1781
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:49,360
often the middle school

1782
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,080
um cross country meets. So this would

1783
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,360
prevent all those people from having to

1784
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,000
run through the cross country meet

1785
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:02,080
smoking and like I just I don't

1786
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,800
that is a way to help make the parks

1787
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,520
better for everybody and give clear

1788
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,159
direction to people who do still want to

1789
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:15,430
be able to partake in those items.

1790
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,440
if it helps to I mean there are several

1791
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,520
other communities that have current

1792
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,040
currently have this in place. Um Manona,

1793
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,640
Barabou, uh Verona, Wisconsin Dells. Um

1794
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,600
I mean those are just a handful that are

1795
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,840
I would say pretty comparable in size to

1796
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,080
a certain degree.

1797
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,840
Well, Nathan, I'm on board with the idea

1798
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,679
of not in the middle of a crowd, not not

1799
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:40,800
in a building, not but I already see the

1800
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,000
whole the whole world as I see it where

1801
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,760
you can't smoke, you can't vape in a

1802
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,000
bar. I see a lot of people that need to

1803
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,040
have their nicotine and go outside.

1804
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,480
They're not and they don't argue about

1805
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,159
it. I don't think that that this would

1806
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,719
be a lot different. You wouldn't strike

1807
01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:59,520
up a million arguments. You'd get to a

1808
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:00,880
point where you'd be going, you know

1809
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,239
what the law is. You've been there.

1810
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:03,840
You can't do it in

1811
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,440
the bar and you can't do it here either.

1812
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,920
You got to go away over there to do it

1813
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,870
and I' I'd rather see it that way.

1814
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,880
» With that, we're just circling back and

1815
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,280
chasing our tail. So, I will call the

1816
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,600
question on the motion to amend the

1817
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,120
amendment or ordinance uh that council

1818
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,600
member Puck Huckabe has proposed. So,

1819
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,280
all in favor of the amendment, please

1820
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,080
say I.

1821
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:28,800
>> I.

1822
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,199
>> Any opposed? Nay.

1823
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,880
>> Motion uh fails. Sorry.

1824
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,880
So then we are back to the

1825
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,400
>> Was the motion carried or not?

1826
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,280
>> No. Motion fails.

1827
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,520
>> So we are back to the original motion to

1828
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,960
perform the first reading of the

1829
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,280
ordinance to direct city manager prepare

1830
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,000
the ordinance for a second reading on

1831
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,440
September 1st. Uh with that all in favor

1832
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,520
of the motion, please signify by saying

1833
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,280
I. I.

1834
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,440
>> Any opposed? Name. Motion carries.

1835
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,239
>> Thank you.

1836
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,880
>> All right. Item 8 C, a second reading of

1837
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,719
an ordinance creating sections 94-245

1838
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,960
through 94-248

1839
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,040
of the city of Fort Atinson code of

1840
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,280
ordinances relating to offhighway

1841
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,159
motorcycles. Uh, please Captain Hefty.

1842
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:21,679
>> Hey, thanks for hearing me.

1843
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:26,320
>> So July 21st, this um OM ordinance uh

1844
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:27,679
got through the ordinance committee. The

1845
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,040
first reading was August 4th. This is

1846
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,560
the second reading. So, I'll just

1847
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,159
refresh your guys' memories a little

1848
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,880
bit. That OM are defined by Wisconsin

1849
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,800
state statutes as offhighway

1850
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,640
motorcycles, which means a two- wheeled

1851
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,640
motor vehicle that is straddled by the

1852
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,800
operator, equipped with handlebars, and

1853
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,040
is designed for use off of a highway

1854
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,719
regardless of whether it's also designed

1855
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:48,960
for use on a highway. An offhighway

1856
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,520
motorcycle does not include an electric

1857
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,760
bicycle. So, nothing to do with ebikes.

1858
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,280
Okay.

1859
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,480
So, um, since the first reading, we at

1860
01:17:58,480 --> 01:17:59,920
the police department have not received

1861
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,480
any negative feedback to the contrary.

1862
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:05,760
We actually had an email from a citizen

1863
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,719
in favor of it just um kind of giving

1864
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:11,760
his his experiences in different parts

1865
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,840
of the city with eB or with OM's uh

1866
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,719
vehicles that are electric in general.

1867
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:21,120
So, um, we haven't had any opposition to

1868
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,719
it. I don't know if any of you have had

1869
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:25,520
individual emails from anybody, but um

1870
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,120
it's already a state law. We're just

1871
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,040
trying to make it enforceable at the

1872
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,960
local level so we can keep control of it

1873
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:35,760
here. So um as asked last time, I would

1874
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,760
hope that we could have a second reading

1875
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,159
on August 18th.

1876
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,840
No, I'm sorry, third reading, September

1877
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,520
1st.

1878
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,800
you have any questions that you've

1879
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,640
thought of since the last reading? I'm

1880
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,239
very open.

1881
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:50,800
>> Just for clarity on the distinction and

1882
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,320
an OM is basically an electric bike, but

1883
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,159
it's so powerful you don't need pedals.

1884
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:58,080
That makes it a motorcycle. Correct.

1885
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,679
>> Yeah. An electric motorcycle for lack of

1886
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:02,719
a better term.

1887
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:04,480
>> Been trying to educate myself on these

1888
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:05,840
things as I see them on the street

1889
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,120
because there are quite a few of them

1890
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,800
out there. And the one of the

1891
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,400
distinctions, if I have this right, is

1892
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,159
the OM

1893
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,080
are not something you can pedal.

1894
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:14,400
>> Correct.

1895
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,920
>> So if someone's pedaling something and

1896
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,480
it looks like it's got some speed behind

1897
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,560
it, it is an ebike.

1898
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,320
>> Correct.

1899
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,400
Well, there there people could rig it to

1900
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,159
have put pedals on it, but it wouldn't

1901
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,080
come I don't believe it would come from

1902
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,640
a manufacturer that way than it would be

1903
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,080
an ebike. So if someone were to um

1904
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,679
modify an ebike and make it more like an

1905
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:39,840
OM but also maintain some of the ebike

1906
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,840
qualities that would still be illegal

1907
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,480
for use on the roads.

1908
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:47,120
>> Anything that lies outside of the three

1909
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,600
classes that defines an ebike is not an

1910
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,159
ebike. It would be an OM or it would be

1911
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:56,159
a different type of bike. Um, so there

1912
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,800
could be an e a bicycle that has ple

1913
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,080
pedals that has a very powerful motor

1914
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,360
that is beyond the definition and goes

1915
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,360
50 miles an hour if it still has pedals

1916
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,080
on it. That would not be an ebike, but

1917
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,000
that would more be defined as an

1918
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,480
offhighway motorcycle. And also don't

1919
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:18,719
lose fat. Don't lose uh focus on a OM is

1920
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:21,920
also a motocross bike that has a gas

1921
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,880
engine um or a mini bike that has a gas

1922
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,239
engine. So, it's those and electric e-

1923
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:30,480
moto bikes as well. So, it it

1924
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,080
encompasses everything.

1925
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,600
>> Thank you for clarifying that.

1926
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:34,960
>> Yeah.

1927
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,880
>> And this would make those things illegal

1928
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,960
in town on the trails or on the streets.

1929
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:39,360
Correct.

1930
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:40,960
>> Anywhere in the city except for in

1931
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,480
private property on your own property,

1932
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,880
you could operate them. Well, they

1933
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,800
already would be illegal. It's just now

1934
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,040
we were looking now in place

1935
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,679
>> locally through an ordinance and in our

1936
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:54,320
court and our judge in our decisions as

1937
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,640
opposed to a criminal traffic citation.

1938
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,400
>> We've just given ourselves the ability

1939
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,840
to enforce it better.

1940
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,400
>> Yep. A lot more tools for us to be able

1941
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,159
to deal with it how we how we would

1942
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,080
like.

1943
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,760
>> I move to perform the second reading of

1944
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:08,960
the ordinance and direct the city

1945
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,400
manager to prepare the ordinance for a

1946
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:11,760
third and final reading on September

1947
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:12,640
1st.

1948
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,960
>> Second. We have a motion and a second.

1949
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,520
Any further discussion?

1950
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,520
As you've said, you know, noticing

1951
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,840
around driving around through town, you

1952
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,480
do notice and as our one constituent had

1953
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,120
brought up there, I've noticed it a lot.

1954
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,239
Um, younger kids, you know, 10, 12 years

1955
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:33,840
old riding tandem on a little dune buggy

1956
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,600
bike or whatever, similar to what you're

1957
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,640
proposing here. It just up and down the

1958
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,239
sidewalks and darting right out in front

1959
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:41,120
of traffic. So,

1960
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,280
>> yeah, it's dangerous. much rather us,

1961
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,520
you know, be able to take some action to

1962
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,199
help educate these kids and these

1963
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,239
parents that these are not allowable and

1964
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:51,280
not safe. So,

1965
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:51,760
>> correct.

1966
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,080
>> I do have, you know, a little electric

1967
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,239
dirt bike for my son who's 8 years old,

1968
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:58,320
but it stays on our property or it goes

1969
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,560
out to my family's farm where he's

1970
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,159
allowed to ride it there and I know he's

1971
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:03,920
in controlled space, not going to get

1972
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,560
hit on a road somewhere. So,

1973
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,320
>> and that is, you know, one of them that

1974
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:13,110
only goes to a top of 11 miles an hour.

1975
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,040
All right, with that we have the motion

1976
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,800
and a second. All in favor, please

1977
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,320
signify by saying I.

1978
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:18,960
>> I.

1979
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,480
>> Any opposed?

1980
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:23,040
>> Motion carries. Thank you.

1981
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,520
>> Item 8D, second reading of an ordinance

1982
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,080
to amend several sections of chapter 94

1983
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,840
of the city of Fort Ainson code of

1984
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,840
general ordinances relating to electric

1985
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,320
bikes and scooters. Chief bump again.

1986
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,000
>> Hello everyone. So yeah, we're at the

1987
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,360
second reading of updates to our ebike

1988
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,560
or bicycle ebike ecooter ordinance. Um

1989
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,800
we originally took a look at this

1990
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,679
ordinance because it was last updated in

1991
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:50,320
2019 and since then the state got a

1992
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,080
little better at defining what ebikes

1993
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,560
are different classes so we have a

1994
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,239
better understanding and I want to make

1995
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:57,920
sure that our ordinance is up to date

1996
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,719
and aligns with those classifications.

1997
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:04,639
Uh and also uh we're seeing more

1998
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:07,760
accidents instances uh related to

1999
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,360
electric bicycles and uh with with

2000
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,159
traffic issues or crashes and injuries.

2001
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,159
So we also looked at what are some other

2002
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:17,360
things that we don't have in our

2003
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,040
ordinance that a lot of the other cities

2004
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,199
do around us and are we missing

2005
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,719
anything. So, the ordinance proposal is

2006
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:26,880
the upgrade of the definition of an

2007
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,840
ebike, so it aligns with state uh state

2008
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,159
statute, but also adding in a couple

2009
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:36,000
other areas that we want to make sure uh

2010
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,960
we work to improve safety like uh double

2011
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,000
riding and trick riding and some of the

2012
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,760
other things that are in the new that

2013
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,320
are redlined in the new ordinance. Um,

2014
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,480
since the last reading, we did have that

2015
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:52,000
one email from uh from a citizen who was

2016
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,960
frustrated about uh some ebikes and

2017
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,320
e-motos that were um seen in his

2018
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,920
neighborhood and also on the bike path

2019
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,320
and causing dangerous situations. And

2020
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:03,840
we've had a little bit of feedback of

2021
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,400
some people in the downtown who are also

2022
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,239
in support of uh better restrictions

2023
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:11,920
um uh just because of dangerous

2024
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,679
situations. So, we've had no no feedback

2025
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:18,400
that was contrary to the ordinance, but

2026
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,440
supportive to it. Um, and I didn't I

2027
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:22,560
don't know if any of you have any

2028
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,719
questions, but I um I'm able to answer

2029
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:27,440
any questions about the ordinance uh on

2030
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:28,560
the second reading.

2031
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,520
>> Um, the ordinance is mostly pointed at

2032
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,080
the machine, not at age, because I think

2033
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,760
age should be an element that I'm not

2034
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,360
hearing. age is addressed in the

2035
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,040
classifications on uh like 16 or under

2036
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,000
can operate a class one or two but not a

2037
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,800
class three. Uh so age is addressed in

2038
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,480
there. The other nice thing about this

2039
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:54,880
ordinance is uh uh being able to uh have

2040
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,239
a parental uh being able to address

2041
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,000
these issues with the parent as well if

2042
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,360
they're not helping change that

2043
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,040
behavior.

2044
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,920
The ordinance in no way uh impacts

2045
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,639
anybody's current ability to ride their

2046
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:11,199
legal ebike in the community. Uh Gene

2047
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,719
Brooks spoke up earlier uh uh and wanted

2048
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:16,000
to make sure she would still be able to

2049
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,920
ride that. We do not want to infringe on

2050
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,800
that ability at all and no part of this

2051
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,560
ordinance changes anything like that

2052
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,239
that's already legal um beyond that. So

2053
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,719
>> yeah, I'm as I'm getting older and I've

2054
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:30,320
got friends that are getting older more

2055
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,159
than one talking about how their ebike

2056
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:33,840
is a wonderful thing when it comes to

2057
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,840
going uphill or whatever they got to do

2058
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,080
to go out and enjoy it.

2059
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,000
>> Yep. I agree.

2060
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,840
>> This ordinance get this ordinance gets

2061
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,920
at the improper riding of those more

2062
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:44,480
than anything.

2063
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,080
>> Yeah. The danger we want to curb the

2064
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,239
dangerous situations and just have a

2065
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:50,000
better an ordinance that better aligns

2066
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,920
with uh changes that have occurred over

2067
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,960
the last seven, eight years.

2068
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,040
Does does the future hold an ordinance

2069
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,320
where we're going to talk about

2070
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,040
regulating the uh electric skateboards

2071
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,719
and things like that?

2072
01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:04,639
>> So, we have to do some more research on

2073
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:07,600
how we can restrict what they call play

2074
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,400
toys and how we define play toys. Um,

2075
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,239
that's one of the areas of concern that

2076
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,400
we have. Um, so that's why it hasn't

2077
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,080
come yet, but it's always something that

2078
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,000
we actually uh talk about at the

2079
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,239
department on um some of those varying

2080
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:25,280
units and what what exactly are they and

2081
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,159
how are they defined in law uh through

2082
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,960
Wisconsin as well. Um, and it's been

2083
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,480
really difficult because things change

2084
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:34,400
so fast and there's new things every day

2085
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,239
and how do we keep up with it.

2086
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:38,159
>> I I hope the future holds something like

2087
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,080
that because there's enough of that out

2088
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,480
there and they're dangerous as an ebike.

2089
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:43,040
Oh,

2090
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,760
>> I do have Lieutenant Coven Miller. Um,

2091
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,320
he has been assigned research in that

2092
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,600
area. We talk about the uh electric play

2093
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,679
toys. Am I saying that right, Captain?

2094
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:55,760
Okay. And so that is something in

2095
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,719
process uh because of uh devices like

2096
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:00,480
you talk about with that are just

2097
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,239
strange oneoffs that you don't see all

2098
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:04,480
the time but still are worth uh learning

2099
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:06,560
more about and addressing.

2100
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,320
I would also like to see the police

2101
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,320
department maybe offer an educational

2102
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,880
system where whether they had did it at

2103
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,880
the library or at the school so you

2104
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,360
could educate both child and parent at

2105
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,159
the same location about what and why

2106
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,320
they shouldn't be doing these things.

2107
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,560
>> Uh we tried to do a a safety city with

2108
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,120
our bike safety class every summer in

2109
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,520
summer school. Um this ordinance

2110
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,280
actually will help us be able to do

2111
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,320
something like that. And uh Captain

2112
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:35,920
Hefty talked about it at the last

2113
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,120
meeting where we want to uh look at

2114
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,040
having some type of agreement with the

2115
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,800
school district where we have like

2116
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,639
contracts that parents and the students

2117
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:47,920
sign who ride bikes to school uh so they

2118
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,679
understand and know the ordinances and

2119
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:51,600
the difference between vehicles and

2120
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,000
what's legal and not legal. And we took

2121
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,480
that from uh a program that they're

2122
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,880
doing in Bever Beverly Hills uh

2123
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,400
California school district that we

2124
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,560
thought was pretty neat. So after these

2125
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,000
ordinances are passed, that's kind of

2126
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,520
our next thing because our goal is

2127
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,360
always education

2128
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,760
um as a strong means of enforcement.

2129
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,080
>> And it's it's kind of it would be kind

2130
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,159
of nice to have like hunter safety only

2131
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:16,080
for bikes and you had to have a

2132
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,400
certification to be able to ride at the

2133
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,239
school like that would be nice.

2134
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:22,639
>> Yep. In process. I don't know how quick

2135
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:24,000
it's going to come, but we are looking

2136
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,360
into that.

2137
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,679
>> I look forward to that.

2138
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:29,600
I move to perform the second reading of

2139
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:30,960
the ordinance and direct the city

2140
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,800
manager to prepare the ordinance for a

2141
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,639
third and final reading on September

2142
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:35,280
1st.

2143
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,080
>> Second.

2144
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,760
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

2145
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,920
further discussion?

2146
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,990
>> Just happy to see it coming.

2147
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,840
Right. All those in favor, please

2148
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,440
signify by saying I.

2149
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,520
>> I. Any opposed?

2150
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,239
>> Motion carries. Thank you, Chief.

2151
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,920
>> All right. Item 8E is a second reading

2152
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,600
of an ordinance to amend the city of

2153
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,600
Fort Ainson zoning map to change the

2154
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,080
zoning of the property located at 1911

2155
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,000
Jainsville Avenue from rural holdings

2156
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,920
RH35

2157
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,120
to multifamily residential MRH30

2158
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,480
director of neighborhood and building

2159
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:11,840
services Drager.

2160
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,800
>> Yes, thank you. Uh I do want to make

2161
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,719
everyone aware that all public notices

2162
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:19,199
were sent out per state statute. Uh

2163
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:20,960
there was also a public hearing on this

2164
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,280
zoning map amendment on July 28th where

2165
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:24,560
the plan commission did recommend

2166
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,639
approval by the city council and city

2167
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:27,920
council did hold the first reading on

2168
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,400
August 4th. I will also make you aware

2169
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,159
the city or plan commission also

2170
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,880
approved a uh conditional use permit for

2171
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,440
the first phase of this project and that

2172
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,199
any future development of this site

2173
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:41,040
would still require a certified survey

2174
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,239
map and a site plan review approval uh

2175
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:46,080
before it could move forward. And that's

2176
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,679
just addressing some um known uh

2177
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:52,080
commentary on an existing easement on

2178
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,239
the property uh that would have to be

2179
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:55,920
approved through a certified survey map

2180
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,080
with approval of everybody involved on

2181
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,719
that piece of land. So this is just the

2182
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:02,800
zoning aspect of the pro of this

2183
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,360
approval process uh changing it from a

2184
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,320
rural holding uh zoning uh which is just

2185
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,880
that is a holding and meant for uh

2186
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,000
future development uh to MRH30 which is

2187
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,120
our highest density multifamily uh

2188
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,040
zoning and I do also want to point out

2189
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,880
that the future land use map on the comp

2190
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,199
in the comp plan uh does have this as

2191
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,560
planned mixed use and this is an

2192
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,960
appropriate zoning for that. Uh there's

2193
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,280
a two this a two-phase uh development.

2194
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,800
As I said, the conditional use permit

2195
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,960
was just for the first phase. Uh and uh

2196
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,040
there is no financial impact to this

2197
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,199
other than it does help uh further move

2198
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,440
along a potential development uh for the

2199
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:43,360
city of Fortinson and that staff does

2200
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:44,960
recommend the city council hold the

2201
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,320
second reading and direct the city

2202
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,000
manager to prepare the ordinance for the

2203
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,840
third and final reading on September

2204
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,189
1st.

2205
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,120
I move to perform the second reading of

2206
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:56,480
the ordinance and direct the city

2207
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,560
manager to prepare the ordinance for a

2208
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,480
third and final reading on September

2209
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:01,280
1st.

2210
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:02,320
>> Second.

2211
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,920
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

2212
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,070
further discussion?

2213
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,719
Again, we you discussed this that this

2214
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:13,520
is in the comprehensive plan is plan

2215
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,760
mixed use. What all could have been in

2216
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,600
that district? Correct.

2217
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,400
>> Yeah, plan mixed use has a wide variety.

2218
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,800
Um so that's a mix of commercial, multif

2219
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,360
family, residential or mixed use. Uh but

2220
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,199
this is an appropriate use. U multif

2221
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:32,629
family would be in that plan. Mixed use.

2222
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:35,440
Any further discussion?

2223
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,360
Seeing none, all those in favor, please

2224
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:38,960
signify by saying I.

2225
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:39,600
>> I.

2226
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,440
>> Any opposed?

2227
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:42,320
>> Motion carries.

2228
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,040
>> Thank you. Thank you.

2229
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,920
Item 8F is review and possible action

2230
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,000
relating to a resolution adopting the

2231
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,000
project plan and boundaries for tax

2232
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,639
increment district TID number 12 in the

2233
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:56,480
city of Fort Ainson Jefferson County.

2234
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,560
Manager Houseman.

2235
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,199
>> Thank you. Uh if it's okay with the uh

2236
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,199
council, I will present uh the

2237
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,480
information for the next two uh items

2238
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:08,320
together here. Uh though we are

2239
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:15,199
requesting separate action uh for for both items. So uh the first uh the

2240
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:18,000
first item is TID number 12 that is

2241
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,800
being proposed. Uh the project plan is

2242
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,520
in the council packet. It's also on the

2243
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,880
uh website and in my office for review.

2244
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,840
Uh taxing jurisdictions were notified of

2245
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,440
the potential creation of TID 12 uh back

2246
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,320
in July as well as all property owners

2247
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,000
as this is proposed as a blight

2248
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,480
elimination TID. There was a class 2

2249
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,800
notice in the newspaper in July and the

2250
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,639
joint review board held their initial

2251
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:47,040
meeting on July 27th to review this

2252
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,960
proposed project plan. The plan

2253
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,400
commission held a public hearing at

2254
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,440
their meeting on July 28th and now uh we

2255
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:55,760
have the city council review uh and

2256
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,800
possible action on a on um a resolution

2257
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,040
tonight. Uh the final step in the

2258
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,960
creation of this TID would be the joint

2259
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,320
review board meeting that's currently

2260
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:10,870
scheduled for uh um August uh 31st.

2261
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,400
So, as I mentioned, this is a blight

2262
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,400
elimination TID. It does include some of

2263
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,199
the land in the former TID 7 uh that was

2264
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,760
closed earlier this year. Uh it extends

2265
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,480
west. You can see that tail uh along the

2266
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:24,080
river on the north side of the river uh

2267
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,960
west. Uh and that is to support the um

2268
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,520
city's portion of the highway 106

2269
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,679
project, specifically a potential uh

2270
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:34,719
bike and ped path. Uh if that if this is

2271
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:38,080
created in 2026, we would uh allow uh

2272
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,560
expenditures until 2048 with an

2273
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,270
anticipated closure in 203.

2274
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,800
Uh so there are 12.5 just over over 12.5

2275
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,280
million of public improvements uh in the

2276
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,000
project plan. Uh we anticipate about

2277
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,120
27.5 million in additional increment

2278
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,199
anticipated over the life of that TID.

2279
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,920
It includes 109 parcels and the base

2280
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,639
value of those 109 parcels is just over

2281
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:08,639
$41 million. That uh the property taxes

2282
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,960
based on that existing value will

2283
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:12,719
continue to go to the taxing

2284
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:15,840
jurisdictions. Uh this uh TID does pass

2285
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,920
the 12% test which means that not more

2286
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,080
of than 12% of the city's equalized

2287
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,880
value can be within TIDS. Uh and this uh

2288
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,880
blight elimination designation extends

2289
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:30,870
the life um and the expenditure period.

2290
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,760
This map shows the existing uh land uses

2291
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:38,390
and conditions

2292
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,719
and this map shows the 1 half mile

2293
01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:43,199
radius. So the possible public

2294
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,360
improvements can be made within 1 half

2295
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,840
mile of the TIDS boundaries within the

2296
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,910
city limits.

2297
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,120
Uh this is a copy of the project uh the

2298
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,800
proposed improvement projects. These are

2299
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,960
the public improvements uh that would

2300
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,000
anticipate uh that we would anticipate

2301
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,080
being able to finance through the TID uh

2302
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,120
if the growth is there. Uh which include

2303
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,880
I won't I won't read them to you but

2304
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,800
they're um uh 14 uh projects more like

2305
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,440
10 projects and then some flexibility as

2306
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:16,880
far as providing direct development

2307
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,960
assistance, land purchases, financing

2308
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,960
and interest and administrative and

2309
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:27,030
organization fees.

2310
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,360
Uh okay, I'll move on to TID 13 and then

2311
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,440
I can certainly uh answer questions uh

2312
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:35,280
at the end of this TID 13. Uh again, the

2313
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,080
project plan is in the uh in the packet

2314
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,320
and on the city's website and uh in my

2315
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,040
office. Uh again, we followed the same

2316
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,639
noticing requirements. Those are

2317
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:47,360
statutory uh noticing requirements and

2318
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,440
we did complete all of those things. The

2319
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,280
plan commission held the public hearing

2320
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:55,360
uh on 7:28. Uh and the final uh if the

2321
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,600
council does approve the TID creation

2322
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,280
tonight, the joint review board would

2323
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,910
hold its final meeting on the 31st.

2324
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,600
Again, it's a blade elimination TID.

2325
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,600
It's on the south side of the river in

2326
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,760
the city's downtown. It includes some of

2327
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,280
the former TID 7 land um and includes

2328
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,960
the Riverwalk and potential market

2329
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,600
square. Uh if created in 26 again we

2330
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,000
would uh have expenditures until 2020

2331
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,560
excuse me 2048 with anticipated closure

2332
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,830
in 203.

2333
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,719
Uh there are 17.5 or so million dollars

2334
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:30,320
of public improvements in the project

2335
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,159
plan. Doesn't mean that all of them will

2336
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:33,440
happen. It doesn't mean that all of them

2337
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:34,880
will happen exactly how they are shown

2338
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,719
in the project plan. Uh it is really

2339
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:39,280
just kind of a a road map. Uh we have

2340
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,400
32.5 million of uh anticipated added

2341
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,719
increment. There's 80 parcels in this

2342
01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:48,000
TID uh with a just over $23 million uh

2343
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,159
of existing value and again the property

2344
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:53,280
taxes on that existing value uh remain

2345
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,520
with the taxing jurisdictions. We still

2346
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,639
pass the the 12% test. Uh and this is

2347
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:03,189
again a blight elimination TID.

2348
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:04,800
We have some of the other maps that are

2349
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,800
also included in the project plan. This

2350
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,040
being the existing uses and conditions

2351
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,480
maps and the next being that one half

2352
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:19,270
mile radius map within the city limits.

2353
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,320
Um we have the project key there. Uh

2354
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,520
again about 11 um public projects and

2355
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:30,000
then um the also uh potential for land

2356
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,480
purchases or direct developer incentive

2357
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:34,719
financing and administrative and

2358
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:39,270
organizational fees.

2359
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,840
Um next step uh as I mentioned the plan

2360
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,920
commission did recommend approval uh of

2361
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,840
both of these TIDs at their meeting on

2362
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,639
the 28th of July. Those approval

2363
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:51,040
resolutions are in the the packet for

2364
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,119
council review.

2365
01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:56,320
Uh this uh we're recommending uh the

2366
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:57,760
recommended action for the city council

2367
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,440
is to adopt the resolutions in the

2368
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,119
packet adopting the project plan and

2369
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:02,639
boundaries for the tax incremental

2370
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:05,440
districts 12 and 13. Uh and we would

2371
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:07,760
request separate action items on those.

2372
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,080
And then the joint review board is uh

2373
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,600
scheduled to meet on August 31st to uh

2374
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,920
do a final review of these two tax

2375
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:17,920
increment districts. And with that, I

2376
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:19,600
would be uh happy to answer any

2377
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,320
questions about TIDS uh excuse me, TIDs

2378
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,119
12 or 13.

2379
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:27,119
>> The PIDES is basically covering the

2380
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,600
financing and tax advantages for these

2381
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,600
areas. Correct.

2382
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,679
>> Uh it allows the city to incentivize

2383
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:35,440
development and redevelopment in the

2384
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:38,480
areas through either payo financing or

2385
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,960
direct development incentives. The other

2386
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,520
uh increment that's generated through uh

2387
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,840
that is kept within the TID which is a

2388
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,639
separate fund from the general fund is

2389
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:50,880
then uh able to be used for public

2390
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,880
improvements which the project plan

2391
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,880
includes those public improvements.

2392
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,199
>> The um market square that you referred

2393
01:38:57,199 --> 01:38:59,520
to that's that parking lot where we have

2394
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,280
the farmers market.

2395
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,360
>> Uh yes. Is there does that approve

2396
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,119
anything specific for that other than

2397
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:08,880
it's inside the TID and money could be

2398
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,000
used to alter to what we decide?

2399
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,320
>> There is no specific plan proposed. It

2400
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,600
is just uh it that's designated as uh an

2401
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,400
area that we that the city could support

2402
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,239
improvement of in the future.

2403
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:23,920
>> I'm good with that. I just would want to

2404
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,679
make sure I got a chance to have a

2405
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:27,360
discussion of what they do with that

2406
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,360
park or that parking lot.

2407
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,760
>> Yep. Any action uh relating to that? Uh

2408
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,199
that parking lot is owned by the city.

2409
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:34,960
So any action would certainly be done by

2410
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,040
the city council.

2411
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:41,280
>> Um in the 1 half mile outside, what are

2412
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,760
some projects or examples of projects

2413
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,800
that money could be used for from that

2414
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,639
>> road and utility infrastructure

2415
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:51,440
improvements, storm water improvements?

2416
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:54,320
>> Okay.

2417
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,239
And I'm just really pleased to see that

2418
01:39:56,239 --> 01:40:01,840
tail on TID 12 with because the

2419
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,480
river road has been needing it for a

2420
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:06,159
very long time. So

2421
01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:07,760
>> yeah, and just to be clear that um

2422
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,679
highway 106 project would be a state

2423
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:14,800
project. Uh however, the the DOT um

2424
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,760
would not necessarily be designing a

2425
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,560
bike and ped path. Uh and so one of the

2426
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,440
goals that's outlined in the city's corp

2427
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:25,040
uh comprehensive outdoor recreation plan

2428
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,440
as well as the comprehensive plan is to

2429
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:30,800
provide um off- streetet um bike ped

2430
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,080
access uh to the pool from the uh from

2431
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,239
the um south side of the city. So that

2432
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,080
is a goal we're still working out uh

2433
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,400
obviously working out those logistics uh

2434
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,400
but this uh the creation of this TID

2435
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,239
would allow a potential financing source

2436
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:45,600
for at least some of that. It's

2437
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,040
>> beautiful. Thank you.

2438
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,719
I move to approve the resolution

2439
01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:52,719
adopting the project plan and boundaries

2440
01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:55,360
for tax incremental district TID number

2441
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,760
12, city of Fort Atinson, Jefferson

2442
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,360
County, Wisconsin.

2443
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:00,320
>> Second.

2444
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,239
>> We have a motion, a second. Any further

2445
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:05,360
discuss discussion?

2446
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,280
Just one question on top of that. Is

2447
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,280
there there's no limit to how many times

2448
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,199
we could amend the boundaries of any of

2449
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:14,080
these TIDs, correct? or

2450
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,960
>> um I would have to uh defer to our

2451
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,360
financial adviserss on on that, but we

2452
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,159
certainly um we certainly could amend

2453
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:25,520
the TID to include uh projects uh or

2454
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,360
property that wasn't included in the

2455
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,760
initial TID. Uh we would go through the

2456
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,360
same process as this council went

2457
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,760
through for TID 9 earlier this year when

2458
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,440
you added uh the Koshkanana estate

2459
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:37,440
subdivision to that TID. So there is

2460
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,679
it's a public process with joint review

2461
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:42,480
board and city council approval.

2462
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:45,040
just seeing like in the TID 13 plan

2463
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,480
there's a few parcels that were left out

2464
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,199
that could potentially see some

2465
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:53,199
redevelopment in the future such as like

2466
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:56,320
the uh Daily Union's former building or

2467
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,639
some of the other properties around

2468
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:01,520
neighboring there. So that was just a

2469
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,080
question they had a resident reached out

2470
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,080
I know during some of the other

2471
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,400
committee meetings. So

2472
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,239
with that we have the motion to second.

2473
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:12,320
All in favor, please signify by saying

2474
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:13,040
I.

2475
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:13,440
>> I.

2476
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,520
>> Any oppose? Motion carries. And then

2477
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,159
item 8G, review and possible action on

2478
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:21,920
resolution adopting project plan

2479
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,400
boundaries for TID increment district

2480
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,639
number 13 of the city of Fort Atinson,

2481
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:27,920
Jefferson County.

2482
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:29,520
>> I move to approve the resolution

2483
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,440
adopting the project plan and boundaries

2484
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:34,320
for tax incremental district TID number

2485
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,480
13, City of Fort Atinson, Jefferson

2486
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:37,760
County, Wisconsin.

2487
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,080
>> Second. We have a motion and a second.

2488
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,560
Any further discussion?

2489
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,119
Seeing none, all those in favor, please

2490
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:46,719
signify by saying I.

2491
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:51,840
>> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Item nine,

2492
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,360
reports of officers, boards, and

2493
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,440
committees. 9A is city manager report.

2494
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:56,639
Manager Hostman.

2495
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:59,199
>> Thank you. Uh, thank you all for being

2496
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:00,880
here tonight despite the challenges to

2497
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,719
get inside the building. As I'm sure

2498
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:04,239
everyone saw, the main street entrance

2499
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:05,679
to the municipal building is closed to

2500
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:07,199
accommodate a project that is replacing

2501
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:09,280
the degraded bricks with concrete.

2502
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:10,880
During construction, the public may use

2503
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,159
the parks and recreation building

2504
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:14,400
entrance or entrance number two, both

2505
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,480
located on Water Street on the Water

2506
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:18,400
Street side of the building. After the

2507
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,239
main street uh entrance work is

2508
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:21,679
complete, the contractor will move on to

2509
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:23,920
the parks and recreation entrance. And

2510
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,760
this project will improve accessibility,

2511
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,920
safety, and aesthetics.

2512
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,840
This week, the city announced the summer

2513
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,840
photo contest winners. There were over

2514
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,600
30 submissions that showcased different

2515
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,840
parts of the city and three winners were

2516
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,920
selected. Congratulations to our own

2517
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,239
Kelsey Ritmeer who captured a sunrise

2518
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,159
over the Main Street Bridge. George

2519
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:44,960
Jester III who uh whose photo featured

2520
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,560
his features his 1948 Pontiac underneath

2521
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,800
the Highway 26 bridge and Joshua Bennett

2522
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,719
who showcased an evening baseball game

2523
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:54,639
at Jones Park. To see those photos and

2524
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:56,000
learn more, please take a look at the

2525
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,239
city's website.

2526
01:43:58,239 --> 01:43:59,760
Uh most people have witnessed the

2527
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:01,199
sidewalk and crosswalk project on

2528
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,040
Jainsville Avenue in Jones Park this

2529
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,560
summer. I'm pleased to announce that the

2530
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,320
rapid flashing beacons at this crosswalk

2531
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,719
are scheduled to be installed tomorrow.

2532
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:11,280
So that is that's pretty exciting. Uh

2533
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,119
the city received 28 applications for

2534
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:14,400
the position of administrative

2535
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,400
assistant/program coordinator for the

2536
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,239
parks and recreation department. At the

2537
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:19,440
end of the interview process, we're

2538
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:21,840
happy to announce that Lucy Edwards has,

2539
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,760
excuse me, Lacy Edwards has accepted the

2540
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:25,520
position and will begin work with us on

2541
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,360
August 31st.

2542
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:30,159
Welcome to Lacy. Uh unfortunately, our

2543
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:32,080
newly hired water superintendent uh

2544
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,159
resigned, citing personal reasons. Uh

2545
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:36,719
the city has already posted uh reposted

2546
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:37,920
the position and we look forward to

2547
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,440
finding another qualified candidate to

2548
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:42,239
be part of our team. Uh the city's also

2549
01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:44,800
hiring a parks caretaker/acquatics

2550
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,360
technician position. Uh please visit the

2551
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,520
city's website to learn more uh and to

2552
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,199
see full job descriptions and to send

2553
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:54,080
them on to uh anybody you know.

2554
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:55,440
I will speak at the Chamber of

2555
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:57,520
Commerce's annual new teacher breakfast

2556
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,760
on August 20th. It's a great opportunity

2557
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,239
to welcome uh the new public and private

2558
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:04,320
school teachers to the community. I want

2559
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,239
to just express appreciation to the

2560
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:08,000
chamber and all the local sponsors who

2561
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,600
donate uh to the free supply bags

2562
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,280
provided to the new teachers at that

2563
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:14,719
event.

2564
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:16,480
A public information meeting for the

2565
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:18,880
proposed BECI transmission line project

2566
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,719
will take place on August 26th from

2567
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:22,960
10:00 a.m. to 1 p.m. at the Jefferson

2568
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,280
County Fairgrounds Activity Center. The

2569
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:26,960
city's website features a link to the

2570
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,719
interactive map showing multiple

2571
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:30,880
possible paths of this overhead

2572
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:33,280
transmission line project. Uh city staff

2573
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,360
does plan to attend the meetings and uh

2574
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,880
with the goal of protecting the city's

2575
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,040
urban growth area as identified in our

2576
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,440
comprehensive plan.

2577
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:43,760
As a sign of the gradual end of summer,

2578
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,000
the last char uh charity concert uh of

2579
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,360
the season will take place on August

2580
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,840
26th in Barry Park. Uh thank you to the

2581
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,320
Kuanis Club, city staff, and the event

2582
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,000
sponsors who make those community events

2583
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,880
possible. Our public relations intern

2584
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,040
Satie Elwood will complete her last day

2585
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,440
with us on August 27th. Uh Satie has

2586
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:02,880
been a great addition to our team,

2587
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,280
drafting employee newsletter, organizing

2588
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:06,880
employee picnic, administering the

2589
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,719
summer photo contest, uh and

2590
01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:09,920
implementing employee wellness

2591
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,639
initiatives. She also assisted uh with

2592
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:14,320
the parks and recreation department and

2593
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:15,679
served as an election official in the

2594
01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:18,080
last two elections. Satie will continue

2595
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,000
her studies at W Whitewater this fall

2596
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,760
and we will welcome her back uh next

2597
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,119
summer if she's interested. So, thank

2598
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:25,840
you very much to Satie.

2599
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,360
>> Uh Rhythm on the River will take place

2600
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,360
on August 29th in the municipal building

2601
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,520
parking lots. Uh we appreciate the

2602
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,520
organizers flexibility in the location

2603
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,840
and uh want to express appreciation to

2604
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,280
all the city staff and volunteers

2605
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,199
involved in ensuring a safe and

2606
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:41,760
successful event. As I mentioned in the

2607
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,600
TID presentation, the joint review board

2608
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,080
will meet on August 31st to review those

2609
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:47,520
final recommendations from the city

2610
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,400
council and the plan commission um for

2611
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,800
TIDS 12 and 13 that will support uh

2612
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,480
development and redevelopment in our

2613
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:56,880
downtown. And the South Main Street

2614
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:59,119
construction project continues. uh staff

2615
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:00,560
has been updating the city's website

2616
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,159
regularly. So, the best way to stay

2617
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:03,440
informed on the progress and the

2618
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:04,800
timelines is to really just check the

2619
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,719
city's website.

2620
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:08,320
And finally, the Jeff uh Jefferson

2621
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:09,920
County is hosting two meetings in

2622
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,840
September relating to consideration of a

2623
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,639
financial support mechanism for all EMS

2624
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,880
systems within Jefferson County. Elected

2625
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,400
officials and members of the public are

2626
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,000
encouraged to attend one or both of

2627
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,600
those meetings and they will take place

2628
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,400
on September 17th at 7 p.m. at the

2629
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,719
Jefferson County Courthouse or September

2630
01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:29,040
24th at 7 p.m. at the Watertown Fire

2631
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:30,880
Department. Again, the more information

2632
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:35,840
is on the city's website. Uh it was a a big news week even though it's only

2633
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,679
Tuesday. So, please do check out the the

2634
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:40,239
city's website for more information. And

2635
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:42,080
that is all I have tonight. Thank you.

2636
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,880
>> Thank you. Moving on to item 10,

2637
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,400
unfinished business. We have none

2638
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,280
tonight. Item 11, new business. 11 A,

2639
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:50,960
review and possible action relating to

2640
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,440
Ridge View Estates structural fill

2641
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:56,159
invoice from Gallop Grading LLC in the

2642
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:59,830
amount of $22,642.

2643
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,000
Director of public works Naven. Good

2644
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,320
even good evening.

2645
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,400
As part of building roads and installing

2646
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:07,520
utilities in Ridge View State

2647
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,440
subdivision, the city's contract to

2648
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:11,280
remove structural fill from lots one and

2649
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,280
two. This resulted in lots one and two

2650
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:14,880
not being at the subdivision design

2651
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:16,480
elevation at the start of construction

2652
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,719
of Bridge View Loft apartment building

2653
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:21,199
located on south side of Trillium Drive.

2654
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:22,480
The removal of the fill from the lots

2655
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:24,080
was identified by the developer in

2656
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,000
January of 2025 and required the

2657
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,159
contractor to truck in 5100 yards of

2658
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:30,639
structural material to get lots graded

2659
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:32,639
for their original design. The total

2660
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:34,159
cost for the additional fill was

2661
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:36,080
$45,284.

2662
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:37,600
And at the time there was discussion

2663
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:38,800
between the city's contracted

2664
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,119
engineering firmwam engineering and the

2665
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:42,639
developer on who should bear the cost of

2666
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:45,280
this fill. However, this invoice had not

2667
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:46,560
been resolved. So when the city

2668
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,080
approached the developer this summer

2669
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,600
about potentially donating their land

2670
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:50,960
for the required temporary limited

2671
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,199
easement for banker road redesign, the

2672
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:54,800
developer asked about the structural

2673
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:57,199
fill invoice that had not been resolved.

2674
01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:58,880
City staff worked with the developer to

2675
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:00,320
come to an agreement to that the

2676
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:01,760
developer would donate their land for

2677
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,199
the TLE valued at $23,680

2678
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:06,800
if the city would pay half the cost of

2679
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:09,199
the outstanding structural fill invoice.

2680
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:11,040
The invoice for 50% of the structural

2681
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:15,040
fill from galllets is $22,642

2682
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,480
and the cost associated with this

2683
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:18,880
invoice will be paid for out of TID 9.

2684
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,560
Staff recommends city council authorize

2685
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:21,840
the payment of the structural fill

2686
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,520
invoice from Galis grading in the amount

2687
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:29,510
of $22,642.

2688
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,880
Take any questions.

2689
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,280
I move to approve the structural fill

2690
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,360
invoice for Ridge View Estates from

2691
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,560
Gallat Grading LLC in an amount not to

2692
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:45,510
exceed $22,642.

2693
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,400
» Second motion and a second. Any further

2694
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,880
discussion?

2695
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:52,800
Seeing none, all those in favor, please

2696
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,400
signify by saying I.

2697
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:55,119
>> I.

2698
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:58,560
>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

2699
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,280
>> Uh item 11B, review and possible action

2700
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:02,719
relating to Ridge View Estates

2701
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:04,560
development change order number nine.

2702
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:05,920
Director David.

2703
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:07,679
>> Thank you. The Ridge View Estate

2704
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:09,360
subdivision infrastructure project

2705
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,119
includes an 8 foot wide asphalt path

2706
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:12,960
along the south side of Trillium Drive.

2707
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,960
The path extension and ADA curb ramp

2708
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,639
improvements were identified in change

2709
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:18,639
order 9 were originally included as part

2710
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:19,920
of the Ridge View stage development

2711
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,600
contract. However, as the project has

2712
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,600
neared completion this spring, staff

2713
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,679
removed the work from the contract uh

2714
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:27,679
through change order number eight so the

2715
01:50:27,679 --> 01:50:29,280
overall project could be closed out in a

2716
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,360
timely manner. Items were removed or

2717
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,600
reduced in quantity to due to changes in

2718
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,600
design during construction, deferral

2719
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,679
until lots within development areas are

2720
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:39,920
near full or because the project were

2721
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,040
not required to complete the

2722
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:42,639
construction. Uh that's items such as

2723
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:45,199
the final lift of asphalt on the roads,

2724
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:47,920
the installation of rightaway trees, and

2725
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,639
this path. Following further review and

2726
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:53,360
discussion with the

2727
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,360
builders of the apartment complex there

2728
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:56,960
on Trillium Drive, staff determined that

2729
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:58,880
completing the path improvements remains

2730
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:00,480
an important priority. The work

2731
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:02,000
consisted of constructing two concrete

2732
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:03,600
curb ramps and extending the asphalt

2733
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,920
path approximately 420 ft along the

2734
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,840
south side of Trillium Drive to create

2735
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:09,600
that continuous pedestrian and bicycle

2736
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,080
access on both sides of the road. Uh

2737
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:13,360
according to the developers agreement,

2738
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:14,880
the city is responsible for providing

2739
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,719
that public path connection. The

2740
01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:18,159
improvement also connects with future

2741
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:19,920
banker road path facilities on the east

2742
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:22,320
end of Trillium Drive. Since the

2743
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,239
apartment development is expected to

2744
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:26,080
begin occupancy later this fall, staff

2745
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:27,679
believes it's important that residents

2746
01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:29,119
have safe and convenient walking and

2747
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:30,880
biking access immediately upon moving

2748
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,800
into the neighborhood. Completing the

2749
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,719
path now will provide connectivity to

2750
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:36,480
both sides of Trillium Drive and avoid

2751
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:38,080
having residents wait for a future

2752
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,599
connect construction season to gain

2753
01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:42,639
access to these facilities. Staff also

2754
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:43,840
identified an opportunity to

2755
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,440
significantly reduce costs by completing

2756
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:47,520
the work during the week of August 11th.

2757
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,360
Wolf paving was already mobilized across

2758
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:50,960
the street performing paving work at

2759
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,280
Fort Atinson High School and by

2760
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:54,800
coordinating the trail work to occur at

2761
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,719
the same time. City was able to take

2762
01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:58,080
advantage of competitive pricing and

2763
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:59,920
avoid additional mobilization costs that

2764
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:01,760
would have likely occur been have been

2765
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,679
incurred if the work had been bid and

2766
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:05,840
completed separately at a later date.

2767
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:07,440
The change order includes two concrete

2768
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,840
ADA curb ramps and approximately 420 ft

2769
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,920
of asphalt path along the side of south

2770
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,159
side of Trillium Drive at a cost not to

2771
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:16,800
exceed $29,65.

2772
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,560
This change order will be paid for using

2773
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,520
TID 9 funds. Staff recommends city

2774
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,040
council approve of approval of change

2775
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,719
order number nine for services completed

2776
01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:26,400
to install the path connection before

2777
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:27,679
occupancy of the new apartment

2778
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:29,360
development and to ensure safe

2779
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,119
pedestrian and bicycle access for future

2780
01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:33,119
residents.

2781
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:38,470
And that'll take any questions.

2782
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:40,159
» No more change orders for this for a

2783
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:42,080
while. [laughter] I was a little shocked

2784
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,480
when we saw when I saw this, but it

2785
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:46,480
makes complete sense why it came through

2786
01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:48,320
at this point. So,

2787
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:49,520
>> yeah, unfortunately, it was a little bit

2788
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:50,719
of an oversight in the developers

2789
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:52,560
agreement to identify the responsibility

2790
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:53,840
on that side of it. So, after we had

2791
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,239
those discussions with the developer and

2792
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:57,760
around the TLES and everything else

2793
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,599
going on out there, we wanted to put

2794
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:01,040
that back in and take advantage of what

2795
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,599
was going on in the neighborhood.

2796
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:05,760
I'm glad we took advantage of Wolf

2797
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,320
Paving being right across the road from

2798
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:10,719
So I'm sure that saved us probably5

2799
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:12,320
to$10,000.

2800
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,040
>> Absolutely.

2801
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,280
>> I move to approve the Ridge View Estates

2802
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,199
development change order number nine for

2803
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:22,159
services completed to install the path

2804
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:24,400
connection before occupancy of the new

2805
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,400
apartment development.

2806
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:27,440
>> Second.

2807
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:29,440
>> We have a motion, a second. Any further

2808
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:31,679
discussion?

2809
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:33,440
Seeing none. All in favor, please

2810
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:35,040
signify by saying I.

2811
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:35,760
>> I.

2812
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,360
>> Any opposed?

2813
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,960
>> Motion carries. Thank you.

2814
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,360
Uh 11 C review and possible action

2815
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,199
relating to the replacement of airrated

2816
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:48,719
d airrated digtor number two membrane at

2817
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:50,320
the wastewater treatment facility. We

2818
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:52,320
have wastewater utility superintendent

2819
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:53,199
Sweeney.

2820
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,679
>> Hey, welcome. Uh the wastewater

2821
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,679
treatment facility has uh three

2822
01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:59,840
digesttors that are part of a sludge

2823
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,320
treatment process. After waste water is

2824
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,000
cleaned and the solids are removed,

2825
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,159
those solids are sent to the digesttors.

2826
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:07,840
Uh the digtor acts like a large

2827
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:10,159
biological processing tank where

2828
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,719
naturally occurring uh microorganisms

2829
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:15,040
break down and stabilize the sludge.

2830
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:16,960
This reduces the volume of material for

2831
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,440
the plant to handle. It reduces orders,

2832
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:21,520
improves safety, and prepares the solids

2833
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,719
for final uh dewatering and disposal.

2834
01:54:24,719 --> 01:54:28,080
Uh, digtor 2 contains approximately

2835
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:29,599
1,150

2836
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:32,159
diffuser membranes. Following the

2837
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:34,159
unknown detachment of an air supply

2838
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:36,719
line, uh, sledge gradually entered and

2839
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:38,719
accumulated within the digtor diffuser

2840
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:41,119
grid. As a result, many of the diffuser

2841
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:42,639
membranes have become completely

2842
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:44,719
followed. Additionally, the increased

2843
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:47,520
blower pressure required to maintain air

2844
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,599
flow through the compromised system has

2845
01:54:49,599 --> 01:54:51,360
caused numerous membranes to become

2846
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:54,080
stretched, damaged, or torn beyond

2847
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:56,480
acceptable operating limits. And it's

2848
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:58,400
necessary to remove those and replace

2849
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:01,360
them. Uh this work is required to

2850
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,920
maintain efficient digtor operation and

2851
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:05,840
support the long-term reliability of the

2852
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,199
facility's bioolids treatment process.

2853
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:11,040
Uh due to the failed membranes and the

2854
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:12,639
current condition of the diffuser

2855
01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:14,480
system, it is recommended to remove and

2856
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,080
replace all existing membranes to

2857
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:18,719
restore proper performance. The expected

2858
01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:21,360
life cycle of the membranes was 7 years.

2859
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,679
Uh but this unfortunately unfortunately

2860
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:25,360
reduced it to only three and a half

2861
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,679
years. Uh with better understanding of

2862
01:55:27,679 --> 01:55:29,679
the equipment condition, staff has

2863
01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:31,760
scheduled the remaining two digesttors

2864
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:35,520
in the CIP for 2028 and 2029.

2865
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,520
uh reflecting a revised expectation of a

2866
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,360
shorter life cycle than originally

2867
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,320
projected.

2868
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,239
Staff contacted three companies to get

2869
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,880
prices on the membranes. Uh Rubicon

2870
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,599
Environmental was $8,900.

2871
01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:52,719
William Reed was $12,870

2872
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:57,910
and Peterson and Matts was $11,68.50.

2873
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,080
Staff also contacted three companies for

2874
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,239
the installation of the membranes. Uh,

2875
01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:05,360
Rubicon Environmental was $7,300.

2876
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:08,639
Stop construction was $47,300

2877
01:56:08,639 --> 01:56:14,229
and Sabul Mechanical was $19,965.80.

2878
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:16,159
Staff recommends utilizing the funds

2879
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:18,000
available through the $ 1.5 million

2880
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,560
borrowing that has been reallocated to

2881
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:23,040
advanced capital improvement projects.

2882
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,960
Uh, there is 1.1 million remaining in

2883
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,599
the project borrowing. Staff recommends

2884
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:29,040
that the city council approve the

2885
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,280
purchase and install of the membranes

2886
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,920
from Rubicon Environmental at a cost not

2887
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,320
to exceed $16,200

2888
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,560
to be paid for using wastewater borrowed

2889
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,040
funds.

2890
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,080
Questions?

2891
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,119
>> Well, I just want to say again, I really

2892
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:47,119
appreciate that you put in the effort to

2893
01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:49,360
do multiple bids. I think it's very

2894
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,880
important. So, thank you for doing that.

2895
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,040
And I think the service you provide city

2896
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:57,360
is incredibly important and people would

2897
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,040
notice if it would if it would broke

2898
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,000
down. So let's keep it working good

2899
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,760
>> that

2900
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,920
>> it is an interesting spread in the uh

2901
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,080
installation uh bids for

2902
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:10,560
>> I will say that uh Rubicon Environmental

2903
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:12,800
it is all they do that's all they work

2904
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:16,719
on. So it is their uh bread and butter

2905
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:19,440
>> very specialized in this area so they

2906
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:20,239
know what they're doing.

2907
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:25,280
>> Yeah. for the replacing or um the

2908
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,679
schedule for replacing the remaining two

2909
01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:30,480
digesttors in 2829. Would there be any

2910
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:33,199
benefit in doing them at the same time

2911
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:36,159
or is it just the same to be doing them?

2912
01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:38,400
>> Um we did do our gas cleaning recently

2913
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,560
and the other two are still in very good

2914
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,280
condition. So to get a couple more years

2915
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:46,320
out of them would be very beneficial.

2916
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,679
And then in a couple years, is it same

2917
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:52,080
thing that like would it save anything

2918
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,880
to do them at the same time or just

2919
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,360
>> It's probably not. It will it'll be

2920
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:58,159
similar.

2921
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:00,480
>> Perfect. Thank you.

2922
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,000
>> I move to approve the purchase and

2923
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:03,360
installation of the membranes from

2924
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,280
Rubicon Environmental at a cost not to

2925
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,920
exceed $16,200 to be paid for using

2926
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:09,840
wastewater borrowed funds.

2927
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:10,719
>> Second.

2928
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:12,400
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

2929
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,719
further discussion?

2930
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:16,480
Seeing none. All in favor, please

2931
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,080
signify by saying I.

2932
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:18,800
>> I.

2933
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:22,719
>> Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

2934
01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:25,040
>> Item 11D, review and possible action

2935
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:26,960
relating to a certified survey map for

2936
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,760
the property located at 8:15 Jefferson

2937
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,560
Street. The parcels listed below. Uh,

2938
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:33,920
director of neighborhood and building

2939
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:35,840
services, Trigger.

2940
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,520
>> Yes, thank you. Uh, Opportunities

2941
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:40,320
Incorporated has uh requested to combine

2942
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,719
the two parcels. Uh this will facilitate

2943
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:47,119
the construction of a uh activities

2944
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:49,920
area. Uh industrial zoning or light

2945
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:51,599
industrial is which the parcel is

2946
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:53,119
currently zoned does not allow for that

2947
01:58:53,119 --> 01:58:55,199
to be a standalone use on a property. So

2948
01:58:55,199 --> 01:58:57,119
they're combining the two parcels and

2949
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:58,800
then it will be an accessory use to

2950
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,599
their to their principal use. Uh there

2951
01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:03,440
were some minor changes to the CSM that

2952
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:05,520
were outlined by the engineer. Most of

2953
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:06,800
those have been already addressed on

2954
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,880
another version of the CSM, but they are

2955
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,360
in this memo as needing to be replaced

2956
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,320
or to be fixed. Um they're just minor

2957
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:19,440
changes. Uh some names on the map and things of that nature. Uh the CSM is

2958
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:20,560
not expected to have any financial

2959
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,679
impact to the city. Um the project is

2960
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:26,800
privately funded uh by opportunities and

2961
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,280
is on private property.

2962
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:30,960
Um, and staff does recommend the

2963
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:32,400
commission recommend the city council

2964
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,159
approve the preliminary certified survey

2965
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:36,239
map for the property located at 815

2966
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:38,639
Jefferson Street subject to the

2967
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:40,639
conditions noted in the memo. I will

2968
01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:42,080
also point out that there will be a site

2969
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:44,000
plan review uh that would have to be

2970
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:45,520
approved in order for the project to

2971
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,320
move forward past this point.

2972
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:49,840
>> And the plan commission did actually

2973
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:51,920
recommended that council approve this

2974
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,159
CSM um subject to the conditions in the

2975
01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:56,000
staff report. So the recommendation is

2976
01:59:56,000 --> 02:00:00,790
that the the council approve it as well.

2977
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,560
I move to approve the preliminary

2978
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,480
certified survey map for the property

2979
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:07,360
located at 8:15 Jefferson Street subject

2980
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,280
to the conditions noted in the staff

2981
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:10,400
report.

2982
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:11,440
>> Second.

2983
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,280
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

2984
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,599
further discussion?

2985
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:17,840
We'll just say their proposed idea of

2986
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:21,760
what may be coming is a very

2987
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,719
neat and very beneficial factor for the

2988
02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:27,520
community if they allow it or have do

2989
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,440
proceed with this project.

2990
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:29,920
>> I agree.

2991
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,400
>> This is a very first step and something

2992
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:35,520
big coming for that area.

2993
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,000
So with that all in favor please signify

2994
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,199
by saying I.

2995
02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:41,599
>> I oppose.

2996
02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:44,239
>> Motion carries. Thank you.

2997
02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:46,480
Item 11E, review and possible action

2998
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,320
relating to a certified survey map for

2999
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:50,320
the property located on Meta Lane with

3000
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,159
the parcels listed. Director Drager

3001
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:52,800
again.

3002
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:54,800
>> Yes, thank you. Uh this is behind the

3003
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:58,080
senior or Reena Senior Living Center. Uh

3004
02:00:58,080 --> 02:00:59,760
if you guys are familiar with that area,

3005
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:01,679
there are two existing parcels uh that

3006
02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:03,679
would need to be combined to to move

3007
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:05,599
forward with the proposed project of the

3008
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:08,080
multifamily uh development uh that is

3009
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:09,360
moving through the approval process.

3010
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:12,320
Now, zoning was recently uh amended for

3011
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:14,320
that for that particular project and

3012
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,599
these sites. Um the plan commission did

3013
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:19,760
recommend approval on their last meeting

3014
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,760
on the 11th. Uh there was also a public

3015
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,480
hearing held on the 11th and then there

3016
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,000
was also a site plan review also

3017
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,920
approved for this site already. Uh the

3018
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:31,760
CSM does include uh two new culde-sacs

3019
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:33,599
uh that would be installed per at the

3020
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:35,840
cost of the developer uh at both the end

3021
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,960
of Meta and Commonwealth. uh and as well

3022
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,840
as an easement and public water uh loop

3023
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:44,320
ran through the site uh for this

3024
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,920
project. Um the CSM is meeting all the

3025
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:52,480
requirements uh for the R MRM 12 zoning

3026
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,760
uh as as it is currently zoned. So and

3027
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,080
then also there's uh no financial impact

3028
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,679
for the city. Uh but it does uh it does

3029
02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:04,480
facilitate uh the or the moving forward

3030
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,639
of this project. that is in concert with

3031
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:09,119
the comprehensive plan

3032
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:10,960
and city staff does recommend the plan

3033
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,800
commission recommend excuse me who well

3034
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,280
looks like that was carried over sorry

3035
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:18,800
city staff does recommend the city

3036
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,199
council approved certified survey map

3037
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:23,119
subject to the conditions outlined in

3038
02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:30,790
the SAP memo

3039
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:32,320
every once in a while we do a copy and

3040
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:33,760
paste and it doesn't get caught and I

3041
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,000
apologize for

3042
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:38,000
I move to approve the certified survey

3043
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,599
map for the property located on Metal

3044
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:41,040
Lane subject to the conditions outlined

3045
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,320
in the staff report.

3046
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:43,360
>> Second.

3047
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,040
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

3048
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:47,599
further discussion?

3049
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:49,520
Seeing none, all those in favor, please

3050
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:50,960
signify by saying I.

3051
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:51,840
>> I.

3052
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:55,599
>> Opposed? Motion carries. Item 11F,

3053
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,760
review and possible action relating to a

3054
02:02:57,760 --> 02:02:59,440
certified survey map for the property

3055
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:03,520
located at 550 McMillan Street ZMA

3056
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:07,030
SPR2026-02.

3057
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:08,159
Director Drager,

3058
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,880
>> thank you. Hard to keep those files in

3059
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:12,239
order if you're dealing with those every

3060
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:13,920
day, especially when there's multiple

3061
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,000
things going on with the same project.

3062
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:17,679
Uh, as you said, this is on McMillan

3063
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:19,679
Street, also at the end of Schumacher

3064
02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:21,920
Drive, a newly constructed Shoeacher

3065
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:23,840
Drive last year with some new houses on

3066
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:26,560
there. Uh, this uh CSM is combining two

3067
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,800
existing parcels. uh they are required

3068
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,639
to be combined to move forward project

3069
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:33,760
for uh some four three-story structures

3070
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:35,920
multif family structures same developer

3071
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:38,400
as the previous CSM a slightly different

3072
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,040
project but also very similar in having

3073
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:42,560
reszoning the property and combining

3074
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:44,320
parcels and creating some additional

3075
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:45,520
housing units in the city of Port

3076
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:47,679
Atinson uh plan commission did recommend

3077
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:49,840
approval on the 11th also for this one

3078
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:51,760
there was a public hearing uh held for

3079
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:53,920
the group's development and a site plan

3080
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:57,520
review was approved as well on 811

3081
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,679
With the CSM, there is a new culde-sac

3082
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:01,360
that would be installed at the end of

3083
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,599
Shoeacher as well as a loop of the water

3084
02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:06,080
man with an easement in place making

3085
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,960
that water main public. Uh CSM is

3086
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,400
meeting the minimum standards for the

3087
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:12,639
MRH30 zoning uh which is already in

3088
02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:14,480
place. There were some minor mapping

3089
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,800
errors that were were outlined uh that

3090
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:19,199
would need to be resolved. Uh there's no

3091
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:21,119
financial impact to the city. Uh

3092
02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:22,960
however, it would create some additional

3093
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:24,159
housing units in the city of Fort

3094
02:04:24,159 --> 02:04:27,760
Atinson. And then staff and the plan

3095
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:28,960
commission recommend approval

3096
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,040
preliminary certified survey map for the

3097
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:33,119
property located at 550 McMillan Street

3098
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:35,040
subject to the following conditions. All

3099
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,679
the city engineers comments and uh

3100
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:40,159
approval of the conditional use permit

3101
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,080
and then any other recommendations the

3102
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:44,320
city council may have. Welcome. Any

3103
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:47,199
questions?

3104
02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:49,360
the public hearing that you referenced

3105
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:53,360
um is that that was that um the

3106
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:54,800
presentation that was held here. There

3107
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,719
are a couple dozen people or was that

3108
02:04:56,719 --> 02:04:57,760
something in addition to that?

3109
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:58,880
>> This was a public hearing for the

3110
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:00,239
conditional use permit.

3111
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:03,840
>> Okay. Um at that hearing um did it

3112
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:06,000
generate much input or question

3113
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,840
discussion from the community members?

3114
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:14,310
>> There was no public input on that one.

3115
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,400
I move to approve the certified survey

3116
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:18,560
map for the property located at 550

3117
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:21,360
McMillan McMillan Street subject to the

3118
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:24,080
conditions outlined in the staff report.

3119
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:25,040
>> Second.

3120
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:26,800
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

3121
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,520
further discussion?

3122
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,360
Seeing none, all those in favor, please

3123
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:32,960
signify by saying I.

3124
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:33,520
>> I.

3125
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,840
>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

3126
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:36,239
>> Thank you.

3127
02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:38,800
Item 12, miscellaneous. We

3128
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,280
have none. Item 13, public comment for

3129
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,520
matters not on the agenda. The city

3130
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,440
council will receive comments from city

3131
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:47,280
residents. Comments are limited to three

3132
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:49,119
minutes per individual. Anyone wishing

3133
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:50,719
to speak is required to sign up in

3134
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:52,880
advance or state the following items for

3135
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:54,639
the record when called upon. Name,

3136
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:56,639
address, and subject matter and contact

3137
02:05:56,639 --> 02:05:59,119
information. No action or response from

3138
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:00,880
the council will be taken on any public

3139
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:02,880
comment during this meeting. Note for

3140
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,360
those on Zoom, if you wish to wish to

3141
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,679
speak, please raise your virtual hand as

3142
02:06:07,679 --> 02:06:09,760
the chat box is not monitored and those

3143
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,520
on the call must remain muted unless

3144
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:14,880
recognized to speak. Uh, first we have

3145
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:24,229
John Donahghue signed up to speak.

3146
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:26,400
Good evening. My name is John Donahghue,

3147
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:29,920
residing at 1550 Ravine Street, Fort

3148
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:31,679
Atkinson.

3149
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:35,040
With the completion of the August 11th

3150
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,719
state primary election last Tuesday, I

3151
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:41,119
just wish to inform this governing body

3152
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:42,960
this evening that I am a candidate for

3153
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:45,520
the office of state representative

3154
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:48,719
for the Wisconsin Assembly District 46

3155
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:50,960
on the November 3rd general election

3156
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:54,000
ballot. City of Fort Atkinson is the

3157
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:56,400
largest municipality

3158
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,520
in Assembly District 46.

3159
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:01,280
Most people in this room tonight have

3160
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,679
known me as a citizen who stands ready,

3161
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:08,000
willing, and able to serve all citizens.

3162
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,920
I have demonstrated this positive

3163
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,239
outlook through various local civic

3164
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:14,159
initiatives

3165
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:16,400
over recent years.

3166
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:18,400
Likewise, if elected in November, I

3167
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,960
assure you that I will work tirelessly

3168
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:23,119
to represent the interests of the city

3169
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:26,000
of Fort Atkinson and its citizens

3170
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,800
and to be totally and fully responsive

3171
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,199
to the citizens and taxpayers of this

3172
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:34,480
city within the constitutional scope of

3173
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:38,000
my duties as state representative. Thank

3174
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:38,800
you.

3175
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:41,920
>> Thank you.

3176
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:43,840
We don't have anyone else signed up in

3177
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,679
person tonight. So, this will be a first

3178
02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:48,320
call for anyone on Zoom wishing to

3179
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:53,589
provide public comment.

3180
02:07:53,599 --> 02:07:55,599
Second call for anyone on Zoom wishing

3181
02:07:55,599 --> 02:08:01,510
to provide public comment for matters.

3182
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,400
Seeing none, we will close out and move

3183
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:06,880
on to item 14, claims, appropriations,

3184
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:09,840
and contract payments. 14A is review and

3185
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:11,679
possible action relating to the verified

3186
02:08:11,679 --> 02:08:13,199
claims presented by the director of

3187
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:16,079
finance and authorized payment.

3188
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:18,400
>> I move to approve the verified claims as

3189
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:19,920
presented.

3190
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:20,960
>> Second.

3191
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:22,880
>> We have a motion and a second. This is a

3192
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:27,990
roll call vote.

3193
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:29,520
» Council member Huckabe.

3194
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:30,400
>> I.

3195
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:32,079
>> Council member Johnson.

3196
02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:32,960
>> I.

3197
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:34,560
>> Council member Leahair.

3198
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:35,199
>> Hi.

3199
02:08:35,199 --> 02:08:36,560
>> Council member Price.

3200
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:37,040
>> I.

3201
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:40,480
>> President Jacob. I motion carries. Item

3202
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:42,880
15, close session. The city council may

3203
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:44,480
adjourn into close session under

3204
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:48,800
Wisconsin statute 19.85 sub1 sub E to

3205
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:51,119
conduct other specified business where

3206
02:08:51,119 --> 02:08:53,679
competitive bargaining or competitive or

3207
02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:55,440
bargaining purposes require a close

3208
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:57,920
session. This is under the review of

3209
02:08:57,920 --> 02:08:59,840
offer to purchase lot one in the Clement

3210
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:01,440
business park.

3211
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:02,880
>> Before the council goes into close

3212
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:04,480
session, I just want to provide a quick

3213
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:06,800
update. our financial adviser did uh

3214
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:08,719
reach out to me and let me know that you

3215
02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:11,280
can amend it four times. So, just wanted

3216
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:12,960
to let everybody know that before you go

3217
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:14,560
into close session. So, thank you.

3218
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:16,239
>> Thank you.

3219
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:18,719
>> I moved to I move to adjourn into close

3220
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:21,679
session under Wisconsin statute 19.85

3221
02:09:21,679 --> 02:09:24,239
sub1 sub to conduct other specified

3222
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:26,400
business where competitive or bargaining

3223
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:28,639
purposes require a close session to

3224
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:30,880
review an offer to purchase property in

3225
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,719
the Clement Business Park.

3226
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:34,800
>> Second. Okay, we have a motion and a

3227
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:39,589
second. This is a roll call vote.

3228
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:40,880
» Council member Huckabe

3229
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:41,360
>> I.

3230
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:42,800
>> Council member Johnson

3231
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:43,520
>> I.

3232
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:45,119
>> Council member Lesair

3233
02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:45,760
>> I.

3234
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:47,119
>> Council member Price

3235
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:47,760
>> I.

3236
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:48,719
>> President Jacob

3237
02:09:48,719 --> 02:09:52,800
>> I. Motion carries. We are in going into

3238
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,079
close session. We may return after to

3239
02:09:56,079 --> 02:10:03,109
take action.

3240
02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:04,800
Move to adjourn.

3241
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,520
>> Not quite.

3242
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:09,840
>> We have council may reconvene into open

3243
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:12,880
session and take action on the offer to

3244
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:14,639
purchase lot one in the Clement Business

3245
02:10:14,639 --> 02:10:19,750
Park.

3246
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:22,159
» I move to approve the offer to purchase

3247
02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:24,239
lot one in the Clement Business Park

3248
02:10:24,239 --> 02:10:27,280
from Wisconsin Development Partners LLC

3249
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:30,000
and the associated addendum one.

3250
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,040
>> Second.

3251
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:32,880
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

3252
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:33,920
further discussion?

3253
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:35,840
>> I would just say anyone who doubted that

3254
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:39,280
when we when it was said a couple years

3255
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,760
ago that all it would take is a little

3256
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:43,679
bit of earth moving in the city and to

3257
02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:46,079
draw some further interest. Um if you

3258
02:10:46,079 --> 02:10:48,239
doubted that

3259
02:10:48,239 --> 02:10:50,159
hopefully you have become a believer

3260
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:53,199
now. the last two years has, you know,

3261
02:10:53,199 --> 02:10:55,760
once once the north side get going, the

3262
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,480
this whole area is just booming and not

3263
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,159
just our community, Jefferson and the

3264
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:01,920
whole county is really helping and

3265
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,400
seeing the effects. So hopefully this

3266
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,400
chain of life just keeps going.

3267
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:07,840
>> Let's hope this is an example of a

3268
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:11,440
snowball downhill just keeps going.

3269
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:13,199
>> So we have the motion and a second. All

3270
02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:15,920
in favor, please signify by saying I.

3271
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:16,639
>> I.

3272
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:20,560
>> Opposed? Motion carries. Now we can move

3273
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:21,599
for adjournment.

3274
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:23,199
>> Move to adjourn.

3275
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:24,239
>> Second.

3276
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:26,639
>> Motion a second. All in favor?

3277
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:27,280
>> I.

3278
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:28,800
>> Any oppose?

3279
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:32,199
>> We are adjourned.