[0:00] March 2nd the question. [0:02] more than a minute, but [0:03] You need to approve the chain folder. [0:05] We we [0:06] is progress. [0:08] [laughter] Just text me. [0:09] [laughter] [0:11] It was only going to take three weeks. [0:13] I'll know where to vote. [0:14] just caught on. It only took three weeks. [0:17] I said, we're going to dredge, [0:18] we're going to [0:20] Our Army Corps of Engineers, [0:25] We need to approve the chain for them. [0:27] probably going to go [0:32] I hope the only people who want to trust the damage. [0:37] Right. [0:39] Okay. Angela. [0:40] She's running the beach. [0:41] Hi. [0:42] she's running. [0:43] Yes. [0:44] I didn't see you coming. [0:45] Yes. [0:46] because if he gets to [0:49] this, this may be one of the this [0:53] because I [0:54] going to just this, this [0:57] This. [0:58] Oh, just [0:59] let's go. [1:04] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [1:06] It's a complicated figure. [1:09] Yeah. [1:10] You want to use a shovel or what happens? [1:13] [laughter] [1:14] It's not. [1:16] Hi. [1:18] You know why? [1:19] It's going to take it out of [1:21] Yeah, I the other. [1:22] This one's good, this one's [1:24] I didn't put it in here. [1:27] Oh. [1:29] I didn't you want to do it. [1:31] I didn't really know. [1:32] Just come on. [1:33] And the sign along is [1:35] signing along is [1:38] Oh, my goodness. [1:42] back, yeah. [1:43] Yeah, back issues are bad. I understand. [1:49] So, yeah, no, I understand. [1:52] I got myself back once a month. [1:57] I don't give a damn. [1:58] I have to call it. [2:00] I think so. [2:00] you go for [2:01] I go to [2:02] I go to wonder. [2:04] Okay. [2:06] Right. [2:10] here for that too. [2:11] I go to [2:12] across the street. [2:14] You seen him? Arlington. [2:16] I could not you see what I'm saying? [2:22] I could, I have to. [2:23] All right. [2:25] Okay, it's 5:30. [2:27] I'll need to order. [2:28] We'll freeze down for the pledge of allegiance and a blessing by Pastor Jan. [2:33] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. [2:38] And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [2:47] Gracious Lord, we again thank you [2:50] for this wonderful community [2:52] and for all those who work to make it this way. [2:55] Those who organized such events as the Rodeo, the Mexican Fiesta, [3:00] those who make choices, decisions, and those who work to make them [3:03] enjoyable, safe, and successful. [3:07] Lord, we ask that you protect all who work on our streets, [3:10] in our cemeteries, in all other jobs from the effects of this heat. [3:16] We ask that you guide us and lead us tonight. [3:19] Amen. [3:20] [chatter] All right, Justin. [3:23] [chatter] you can go. [3:25] Yeah. [3:26] Council member Sparrow. [3:28] Here. [3:29] Duly. [3:30] Here. [3:31] Jaeger. [3:32] Here. [3:33] Emmet. [3:34] Here. [3:36] All right, the first item on the agenda is a proclamation [3:39] for National Assisted Living Week, [3:41] which is September the 13th to the 18th. [3:44] So, whereas National Assisted Living Week is observed [3:47] each year to celebrate the individuals who call [3:50] assisted living communities home, [3:52] and to honor the dedicated professionals who serve them [3:55] with compassion, respect, and unwavering commitment. [3:58] And whereas, assisted living communities throughout Fort Madison [4:01] provide welcoming homes where residents can receive quality care, [4:05] build meaningful relationships and continue to participate in [4:09] and contribute to our community. [4:12] And whereas, the residents of assisted living communities [4:16] enrich Fort Madison with a lifetime of wisdom, experiences, [4:19] stories, and contributions, [4:22] and deserve to be recognized and celebrated for [4:24] the important role they continue to play in our community. [4:27] And whereas, caregivers, staff, administrators [4:30] and volunteers in assisted living communities [4:34] demonstrate every day their commitment to providing support, [4:38] companionship, dignity, and compassionate care to those they serve. [4:43] And whereas, the 2026 National Assisted Living Week theme, [4:46] Shining through the years, celebrates the enduring light, [4:50] strength, and wisdom of assisted living residents and recognizes [4:54] the caring professionals who support them each day. [4:58] And where. [5:00] as National Assisted Living Week [5:02] provides an opportunity for our community to express appreciation [5:06] for the residents, families, [5:09] caregivers, staff, and volunteers who make assisted living communities [5:14] places of connection, compassion and home. [5:18] Now, therefore, be it proclaimed [5:20] that I, Melinda Blind, mayor of the city of Fort Madison, Iowa, [5:25] do hereby proclaim September the 13th through the 19th, 2026, [5:29] as National Assisted Living Week in Fort Madison. [5:32] and encourage all residents to join in recognizing and celebrating [5:36] the residents, families, caregivers, staff, and volunteers of our local assisted living communities [5:43] for the important role they play in our community. [5:47] We have a representative fromwood Village here [5:51] to receive a proclamation. [5:57] So, I'm going to go ahead and say thank you for all you do. My mother was assisted living for seven years, [6:02] so I know what you guys do. [6:05] There's the and do you have two for cheering? [6:06] I choose. Yes. [6:08] All right. [6:09] okay? And introduce yourself. [6:11] Do you want to get a photo, Melinda? [6:13] Oh, yeah, that'd be good. I kinda forgot. [6:14] We have photographers over here. [6:17] True. I didn't think about it. [6:18] I was trying to get this to Okay. [6:19] I will admit it. Okay. Okay. [6:22] doesn't take pictures unless asked to have a change of order. [6:26] justified. [6:27] Thank you. [6:28] Okay. [6:29] Thank you. [6:30] Okay. Okay. [6:33] Well, good evening. [6:34] My name is Brenda Graham. I serve as the director of assisted living and memory care at Burwood Village. [6:40] So, thank you for taking the time to let me address the crowd a little bit. [6:45] Um, I'm here not to only introduce Burwood Village, [6:49] but part of our celebration of the upcoming National Assisted Living Week. [6:54] Uh, Burwood Village is actually unique in our community that we offer a full continuum of care, [6:59] that includes independent living, assisted living, memory care, [7:03] skilled nursing, long-term care, and ventilator care. [7:08] So, everything we do is guided by one simple mission, [7:11] providing personalized care while fostering lasting relationships. [7:16] This mission is carried out every single day by the nearly [7:19] 150 employees who work on our campus. [7:23] I think that's something that most people are not aware of in our community, [7:26] how large and what a big employer we are. [7:30] Um, that includes caregivers, nurses, respiratory therapists, [7:34] dietary and housekeeping staff, activities coordinators, and administrative team members [7:40] who show up for our residents and their families. [7:44] We're excited to celebrate our assisted living community in particular during National Assisted Living Week [7:49] from September 13th through the 19th. [7:52] It's a week set aside to recognize our residents, to celebrate their stories [7:57] and to honor the caregivers and staff who support them with skill and compassion every day. [8:03] At Burwood Village, we in particular, besides our normal routine of activities [8:08] have two special events planned to mark the week. [8:11] On Monday, September 14th, we're hosting a rise and shine breakfast [8:14] for our residents and their families and special guests. [8:18] And on Thursday, September 17th, we're holding our assisted living [8:21] shining star staff appreciation party. [8:25] our chance to say thank you to the team members [8:28] who make Burwood Village so special. [8:31] And I do want to recognize that Burwood Village is not alone in this work. [8:36] Fort Madison is fortunate to have two other assisted living communities [8:40] caring for seniors as well. [8:43] National Assisted Living Week is a moment for all of us in this field across our whole community [8:49] to shine a light on the value of of quality senior care. [8:54] Thank you again for your time and for your continued support [8:57] of senior care in Fort Madison. [9:01] Thank you very much. [9:03] All right. So now we're going to get back on track with the schedule a little bit [9:06] and we are going to do visitors and appearance requests. [9:08] Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to address the council [9:12] on an item that is not on the agenda? [9:15] Yes. [9:16] All right, sir. If you'll come up and identify yourself. [9:18] Give your name and address, please. [9:19] Yes, my name is Randy Strebach. [9:21] I live at 3036 Avenue E, Fort Madison, Iowa. [9:24] Um, I'm here tonight. [9:25] I got a uh certified [9:26] letter in the mail by having a boat poked to my [9:28] poked to my yard, my front yard, which is fine. [9:31] I understand it's against City Code. [9:34] But is what it happened on August 19th. I got the letter. [9:37] And mayor, nice to meet you. I've never met you. [9:40] I live next to you for 30 years. [9:43] Never met you. I I remember I remember I remember you when you were much younger. [9:45] [laughter] [9:46] Yeah. A lot younger. About 30 years younger. [9:48] Mhm. [9:49] And that that situation's been addressed. [9:52] But now is it just one neighbor [9:55] or is it city code violation for all neighbors. [9:58] Because [10:00] I have a city code violation here. [10:01] That's another one in your name. [10:03] Okay. [10:04] That I think's your friend. [10:06] That's been the same, that the issue's been there since I got my certified letter. [10:13] But his isn't addressed yet. I can guess, can I pass these out? [10:16] Um, yes, you can pass it out. We, we can address anything. [10:22] That's fine. [10:23] Um, I would suggest that you contact, have, have you talked to Officer Judd? [10:28] I talked to him, yes. [10:30] Okay. [10:31] Not about this issue. [10:32] Okay. [10:33] I'm talking about the bow dish. [10:35] Okay. [10:36] Which I got to get changed. I'm going to try to get that issue changed. [10:38] Okay. [10:39] But what it goes that far or not. [10:41] Okay. [10:42] But so I got to talk to him first about this issue? [10:46] He or um, Chief, can you can you assist this gentleman um after the meeting? [10:53] Absolutely. [10:54] What time is your meeting over, usually? [10:56] Oh, when he gets over. [10:57] No, I get that. I get that. [10:59] I'll step outside. [11:00] Okay. [11:01] Thank you, Cody, I appreciate that. [11:02] Thank you. All right, sir. Thank you. [11:06] [squeaking] [11:08] Hey, is there anyone else who has anything that they wish to talk about? [11:13] Okay. [11:15] So now we are going to move on to the consent agenda. Um, looking for a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda. [11:22] Eger moves. [11:23] Emmet 2. [11:26] Okay, under the uh consent agenda are the minutes of August the 18th. [11:30] alcohol license amendment for Holy Trinity Catholic Schools, [11:35] uh, August the 26th claims, library claims [11:38] and payroll of August the 23rd, 2026. [11:42] Any questions? [11:44] Okay. Justina. [11:47] Council member Telly. [11:48] Yes. [11:49] Jager? [11:50] Yes. [11:51] Roller? [11:52] Yes. [11:53] Emmet? [11:53] Yes. [11:54] Spiro? [11:55] Yes. [11:58] Okay, we have enough people here right now, so we are going to, [12:03] we were a little worried that we may need to move item number two further on down the line. Um, but sorry. [12:08] We got we got Angela here. [12:09] Okay, we're good. [12:10] So, we're good. [12:12] and your ordinances and resolutions, [12:15] item number two, looking for a motion and a second to approve the third and final reading [12:19] of an ordinance repealing and replacing title three, chapter five, housing code [12:23] of the Fort Madison City Code. [12:27] Earl moves. [12:28] Yager 2. [12:30] Okay, um, since the last meeting, um, Matt Emmet had a [12:39] we didn't talk about it the last meeting because you had just received it. [12:42] Sure. [12:43] And so now everybody has looked at it. [12:46] So I guess I'm going to kind of turn in [12:49] I'm going to officially make a motion to amend with that. I hope everybody [12:53] had a chance to read it. I think Pat talked about that it doesn't [12:57] remove the um, you know, the city side is in uh in compliance [13:02] with what we're trying to do. [13:07] I I just think that it's uh it's a little bit less threatening [13:10] than just the the normal language and and goes to, you know, demonstrate [13:14] that we are attempting to protect people's privacy. [13:19] Um, I think everybody's read it. I don't know if I have to read it in here if uh how that works. [13:25] Um, I I mean, I will just uh, I I mean, I'll be honest that [13:30] you know, uh [13:33] I I'm not going to make a big, but uh, you know, Pat did state that while he doesn't think it's necessary, [13:38] and you know, my opinion's different on it, but uh, [13:41] his comments were expressly recognizes a tenant's right to refuse the warrantless entries. [13:47] protects privacy interest without penalizing. [13:51] Uh, retains judicial oversight before entry occurs, avoids creating a class [13:55] of units that um are not receiving regular inspections and remains [13:59] consistent with the ordinance stated proposals. So, [14:04] it's no risk to the proposal [14:06] but gives a a a little bit of guidance to a renter what their their rights are. [14:10] and I think that's important. So, that's that's all I have to say. [14:14] So, I have a question, Council member Emmett. [14:17] Are you wanting to amend section 3-58, Section A, I mean, paragraph A? [14:22] Yeah, I think the 8 and then the amendment to 3511. [14:26] I believe that's what Pat intended when providing the language for this. [14:30] I don't want to speak for him. I I'm sure he's he's here but [14:34] it was my understanding that that was the language that he provided for me if I wanted to. [14:39] Sure. So, [14:40] this evening we actually have um Dan Morgan filling in for Pat. Pat took a vacation, [14:47] which is good for Pat. [14:48] And so Dan is filling in um tonight as a part of our meeting, especially this portion. [14:55] Um, Dan, is there anything you wanted to add? I know Pat will do you in on this. [15:00] No, I think [15:02] I think Councilman Emmett has summed up pretty well. [15:05] that was the email that Pat shared with the changes to the [15:09] proposed changes to sections 3-5-8 A8 and then section [15:15] 3-5-11, uh, were to have kind of a middle ground, I think with [15:22] the councilman's uh concerns, as as the councilman indicated, [15:26] I don't necessarily uh to to necessarily outline what is [15:31] already provided for by the Constitution or the code of [15:35] However, uh, if that is something the council wants to consider at [15:39] least kind of putting writers, I suppose, on notice of those rights [15:44] to a certain extent. Uh, that is what Pat was proposing for those [15:48] changes to uh A8 and then C. Okay, uh, is there any discussion [15:55] by any council members or do you just want to vote on the amendment? [16:00] I'd answer any question anybody has. If not, I prefer a vote. [16:04] motion in second. [16:06] Oh, there was no second to that? [16:07] No second. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. [16:10] Oh, oh, you have a comment. [16:12] just public it, has the amendment been read into the record or is the [16:18] public have access to the amendment. Why don't we read the amendment? [16:20] Do you want to read the amendment? read the amendment into the record? [16:25] Uh, suggested amendment um 3-5-8A. A consent to inspection, [16:30] the owner or occupant may refuse consent to routine inspection. [16:36] Refusal of consent shall not constitute a violation of this [16:41] chapter and shall not by itself result in penalties against the [16:44] owner or the occupant. In cases where consent is withheld, the city [16:53] may seek an administrative inspection warrant or other lawful process [16:59] authorized by law. Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to [17:03] exempt any rental housing unit from the city's rental inspection [17:06] program or from the inspection pursuant to any lawful issued warrant. [17:09] Uh 2A. I'm sorry for that. Uh, suggested amendment 3-5-11. Uh, [17:16] Occupant privacy protections, no occupant shall be required to [17:20] consent to a warrantless inspection. Refusal of consent shall not be [17:25] considered evidence of code violation. Um, these were numbered one, two, [17:31] three and four on this last one. Uh, so number three, when access is [17:34] denied, the city shall pursue inspection through a lawful [17:42] administrative warrant procedures when inspection remains necessary. [17:44] Number four, nothing in this section shall be interpreted to [17:47] remove a rental housing unit from the city's program or routine rental [17:51] inspections. All right then. Thank you, check. I appreciate that. Um, [17:57] we need a second or not. Uh, I guess once it's said owner in there, [18:01] I don't know, but I can second it. I wouldn't want to not, but uh, [18:05] I'll second the amendment. Motion for the amendment. Okay, so we have [18:07] a motion and a second. [18:09] So, are we ready to vote? [18:11] Okay. Justina. [18:12] Council member Jaeger. No. [18:15] Roller? No. [18:16] Emmet? Yes. [18:18] Sparrow? No. [18:20] Tealey. Abstain. [18:26] Now, we are back to the original reading of the ordinance. [18:31] Is there anyone, is there any further discussion on that? Is there anyone [18:36] in the audience who would like to say anything? All right. In that case, [18:46] are we ready to vote? something there. I was going to ask, Matt, do you want [18:53] to wait until we have the additional council members before we move forward [19:03] on this? Okay, Justina. Council member Tealey. Abstain due to this [19:05] regulates my business. Jaeger? Yes. [19:08] Roller? Yes. [19:09] Emmet? No. [19:10] Sparrow? Yes. [19:18] So, the motion failed. [19:24] unless do we have Rusty on the line? [19:30] Who's Who's iPhone? [19:33] might be rusty. [19:36] Okay. I see I hear you, Rusty. [19:38] Okay. And then your kids. [19:42] The the vote has already been made, the motion failed. [19:46] So the rules would continue the same as they were for the previous year. [19:53] If you can just hear only that. [19:55] We see that just it. [19:58] The only other thing that could happen. [20:00] And is um if [20:03] Well ask our attorney. [20:04] Yeah loves [20:06] I mean we could someone if they wanted to bring it back up at the next meeting, [20:09] they could let you know that you can do a motion to reconsider. [20:14] Um well [20:16] it would have to be somebody from the opposing side who wanted to [20:19] bring it back up. [20:22] And somebody from the side who was yep, yep. [20:27] your your you're good to you're good to let it go. [20:29] They're still good. good to Yeah. [20:32] Okay. [20:32] Okay. Well the motion to reconsider wouldn't take place [20:35] until the next meeting but [20:38] Okay. In that case that motion failed. [20:42] All right then. We are moving on to item number three. [20:46] Which is a motion in a second to approve the second reading of an ordinance [20:49] amending title nine traffic by adding chapter 16 electric micro mobility [20:53] devices to the Fort Madison City Code. [20:59] Further moves. [21:01] Here too. [21:05] Okay. [21:07] Uh, any conversation regarding this one? [21:09] Um, I have not had anything, I don't believe. [21:13] Chief has, the police chief's office is not either. [21:16] Okay. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to talk about the [21:19] micro mobility devices? [21:25] What is it? Oh. Okay. [21:27] [laughter] [21:28] Laura, would you like to do a [21:30] Sure. I can give a quick. I can give a brief. [21:33] a camera? Is that what it is? [21:34] No. [21:35] No, no, no, no, no. [21:36] So what it is um the micro um what we're talking about [21:40] e-mobility. [21:41] Those are the scooters. The um electric bikes. [21:44] Um that we've seen a unicycle that's electric. [21:48] Um all of those type of um vehicles, I guess you could say between a bicycle [21:54] and a and a motorized, you know, scooter type characteristic is what that is. [22:03] what's the agenda [22:06] Is it taxes or you need a license on it? [22:08] No. [22:09] No, it is actually regulating where, where they can be at. [22:14] If they are a certain speed, they're considered as if they're a vehicle. [22:18] If they um are under certain speed, they can be on the trail. [22:23] Um, you know, just we're just trying to regulate. [22:26] This is really comes from our insurance company. [22:30] And other insurance companies because accidents that involve them, the first [22:34] thing we get asked is what is the city's code on these. [22:39] And one of the things about them is there are several different types [22:42] of them. [22:42] There is one that is considered to be a class three. [22:45] Correct? [22:47] And that one has ability to go 25 miles an hour or higher. [22:52] And those are the ones that are being um restricted from the city's trail [22:58] system, if I understand correctly. [23:03] Um so [23:05] and it just it just it just sets out some rules and regulations. [23:07] We are not doing permitting, the state is very restrictive in what can and [23:12] cannot be done regarding these. [23:14] micro mobility devices. [23:16] I never heard that phrase before. considered a bicycle and scooter. [23:21] Okay. No, I understand that because I did not I had never heard that term [23:25] until this either. So. [23:27] Okay, so we [23:29] [throat clearing] [23:30] I would like to. And maybe this is more for our final reading, but [23:38] I feel like whether we put it on the city website, maybe posted on [23:43] Facebook, but I I feel like I see a lot of [23:46] there's been some chatter about [23:49] bicycles being on sidewalks and who's responsibility it is to yield [23:54] that kind of thing. [23:56] Yes. [23:56] And I feel like maybe in a condensed form that maybe there should be some [24:03] tips about who who needs to get off the sidewalk, the bicyclist. [24:08] And the pedestrian, the person on the sidewalk has the right away. [24:13] And I feel like maybe that would maybe clear up some confusion. [24:18] Sure. [24:19] Um, and maybe hopefully it feels like it's maybe more children that there's [24:28] some issues with. [24:30] Mhm. [24:31] Um, and maybe parents see this and have conversations conversations with [24:35] their children about what their expectation is if they're riding their [24:39] bicycles and their scooters on the sidewalk. [24:43] The chief has [24:45] Right, right, right. [24:46] So, the reason that we use that term um is because as things, new things [24:51] pop up, um we have to figure out a term in order to be able to place on it. [24:54] If I say e-bike ordinance, well then that doesn't apply to scooters. [24:57] get [24:58] like [25:00] not a uni. [25:01] That's exactly. [25:03] And now, now, now there's a unicycle that goes up towards the 70 miles an hour. [25:06] So it just, it's, it's one of those things. [25:09] Right. Yes. [25:10] 100%. Cause I didn't want to rewrite it twice. [25:12] That that's understandable. [25:13] Um, that being said as far as the diagram, I think that is a wise idea. [25:15] I'll probably get with Justina once this passes. [25:19] Um, but really first we need to pass the ordinance and then once we pass the ordnance, then we just need to establish a resolution for fines. [25:25] Um, for those that do violate them. [25:27] I think the biggest thing here is this is not uh for the purpose of, hey, we got people, you know, you're riding on the sidewalk, we gotcha. [25:35] Here's your ticket. The purpose is education. [25:37] Um, and this is to keep kids safe, this is to keep kids safe, this is to keep people safe in the community. [25:41] Um, we're not out to write tickets, we're not out to write tickets, we're out to just keep the community safe. [25:44] We're here to serve the community. [25:45] So. [25:47] And um [25:47] in regards to that, [25:49] I know the police department and we have shared this in the past, I know several times a year, we do push out some safety rules about bikes in the community, regular bicycles. [25:59] Because that's an issue too. [26:00] Absolutely. [26:01] and making sure that [inaudible] [26:03] [clatter] [26:04] That answers your question? [26:05] Anybody else got any more while I'm up here? [26:07] I kind of like it over here so. [26:09] [laughter] [26:10] Uh [26:11] Double. [26:11] you just remember that. [26:14] No, thank you. [26:16] [clatter] [26:17] All right then. [26:18] Um, any further questions from anybody or are we ready to vote? [26:22] you guys are ready to vote, not me. [26:26] Okay, Justina. [26:28] Council member Roller? Yes. [26:29] Emmet? Yes. [26:30] Sparrow? Yes. [26:31] Steely? Yes. [26:32] Yeager? Yes. [26:35] Okay, item number four. [26:36] Looking for a motion and a second to approve the first reading of an ordinance [26:40] providing the general property taxes levied and collected each year [26:44] on certain property located within the Innsbruck Residential [26:47] Urban Renewal Area [26:50] in the City of Fort Madison, County of Lee, State of Iowa, [26:52] by and for the benefit of the State of the State of Iowa, City of Fort Madison, County of Lee, [26:58] Fort Madison Community School District and other taxing districts, [27:02] be paid to a special fund for payment of principal and interest on loans, [27:06] monies advanced to and indebtedness, [27:10] including bonds issued or to be issued, [27:13] incurred by the city in connection with the Innsbruck Residential Urban Renewal Area, [27:18] which is the Project Number Two Area. [27:23] Do you want to repeat that? You lost me at first reading. [27:26] Thank you, Brick. [27:27] [laughter] [27:29] Do you want me to summarize that? [27:30] No. [27:32] K. your move, Sis. [27:33] Roller second. [27:36] Okay, Laura. [27:37] Would you like me to take that on? [27:38] Yes, um, so Council, [27:39] this this evening, if you remember back about a year ago, we did two development agreements. [27:44] Um, we're free guarding public infrastructure pieces. [27:48] Innsbruck is a Green Oak area, and it was actually [27:52] put together back in 2014. There was a Project One and a Project Two. [27:59] The time for Project One was completed, Project Two was not. [28:03] It was still within the time frame for the development agreement to have an amendment to it. [28:09] We amended the development agreement last fall. [28:12] We did not do the approval of the ordnance for this one, [28:16] because we were waiting to see if, you know, the progress of the developer. [28:21] Um, the developer has met the criteria for the public improvements. [28:26] as stated in the development agreement and the structures that needed to be built [28:30] for it to initiate the development agreement. [28:34] Um, which did include part of the infrastructure cost up front. [28:40] Um, when he did all the items that finalized up the development agreement, [28:43] and then the rest of it would be paid back, um, for the public infrastructure through [28:49] what we call TIF, the tax increment finance payment off of the [28:53] new taxes created from the properties. [28:56] Um, so this is now just formalizing it into our ordinances [29:00] like we've done other development agreement TIFs [29:03] in our urban renewal plans. [29:07] Okay, any questions on that? [29:10] Yeah, I I remember setting this up and voting on it and everything. [29:13] Did it include interest at the time that we set it up? [29:18] That's true. [29:19] To be paid back, like interest from the time it was set up to now? [29:22] Did this is saying that we're reimbursing interest costs [29:25] as well as actual costs of things put in. [29:29] I don't know. [29:30] So. [29:31] So what will be is [29:34] I have received what the true cost of the public infrastructure is. [29:40] And then we have in the development agreement that we would not exceed [29:43] a certain amount. [29:47] Okay. [29:48] So, with that being said, [29:49] So that you have interest that they use it on whatever [29:52] Yeah, whatever [29:53] the so we are going to pay the [29:55] half of whatever the public infrastructure cost was, which I think [30:00] whatever's left in that program from the first phase of 14, [30:06] came up to like 480 some thousand dollars. And then, [30:11] so a portion of that will be paid now, and then the city [30:15] will be reimbursed back our portion of that through the [30:18] TIFF payment, and the developer will receive the other portion. [30:23] Um, there's been some changes in this with the state law. So actually, the low to moderate [30:29] income piece, because this is a true economic development, is actually allowed to be paid [30:33] back to the city directly, so we can help pay our payment back quicker because we did not [30:40] designate a project for those funds. So, whatever, you know, that amount, I like I said, [30:47] 480,000. That is the amount of money that is in the urban renewal. Yes. [30:55] Okay, any further questions? [31:01] Justina. Council member Roller? Yes. [31:03] Emmet? Yes. [31:04] Sparrow? Yes. [31:06] DeLee? Yes. [31:07] Jaeger? Yes. [31:09] Okay, item number five. [31:13] Looking for a motion and a second to adopt a resolution approving the mayor's signature on change [31:19] order number one, for public improvement project 2024-01, [31:23] 10th Street combined sewer separation project, [31:27] increasing the contract amount by $38,035. [31:33] DeLee moved, Sparrow seconds. [31:37] Okay. [31:38] Mark, it's a change order. [31:41] [laughter] [31:43] I'm not going to pick on you like the last mayor. [31:45] Appreciate that. [31:47] Um, so change order number one, like you said, Melinda, this $38,035. [31:52] Um, this is for the extension of the water main. [31:55] We have a water main that runs up 10th Street from Avenue F. It stops mid-block. [32:00] Um, we have to abandon and relocate a section of the water main in the intersection of [32:07] 10th and F to move it around some structures. [32:09] In doing that, we're going to cut off service to three properties. [32:13] Um, so what we're going to do is reconnect the water main from Avenue E down to where it stops [32:20] mid-block to loop the system, but this is caused due to the need of providing service [32:25] during the project, and we relocate the existing main in F and 10th. [32:30] So, uh, we have communicated with the SRF. [32:33] It sounds like it will be covered by the SRF. [32:36] We do have contingency in the project. [32:38] Um, the reason I say it sounds like it's covered is because it's it's clean water, uh, not [32:45] the not the sewer funds, but this is a direct relation to being in the way of the intakes [32:51] and having to be relocated as far as that project goes. [32:54] So, we should be good. [32:55] If not, the water fund has some money. [32:59] And in as Mark mentioned, this this project is needed for what we're doing, [33:05] because once you rip open a street, sometimes your blind surprises. [33:08] But in the long run, it will be very beneficial for the city and those residents in that [33:13] block. And the project is continuing on schedule at the moment. [33:18] It hasn't been going very long, but we're still on schedule even with all the rain. [33:21] Yeah, it's going good. [33:23] [laughter] Okay. Free day. I drive to work, and I drive down Avenue E, and I'm like, [33:28] Wait, you can't do that. [33:29] You got to remember before you get too far into the best method of it. [33:35] It's it's habit. [33:37] It's just habit. [33:38] We're driving in all new directions and see a new parts of town that we come to work. [33:42] Yes. [33:43] They're just narrow streets with a big work truck. [33:46] [laughter] There you go. [33:49] I mean, I get it. I get it. But. [33:52] So, are there any questions or comments on this? [33:55] Okay. [33:57] Change order's actually good. [34:00] All right then, Justina. [34:01] Council member Emmett? Yes. [34:03] Sparrow? Yes. [34:04] DeLee? Yes. [34:05] Jaeger? Yes. [34:07] Roller? Yes. [34:09] All right, item number six. [34:10] Looking for a motion and a second to adopt a resolution approving a contract [34:14] with Banner Fire Equipment Incorporated of Roxana, Illinois, [34:19] for the refurbishment of fire apparatus 9442 [34:23] in an amount not to exceed $238,120. [34:29] Jaeger moves. [34:31] Too. [34:32] All right, Chad. [34:36] One sheet paper. [34:38] One sheet of paper? [34:39] One-sided? [34:40] No, I got a little bit on the other side. [34:41] That's why I thought. [34:42] Both sides. [34:43] Both sides are fine. [34:44] I'm sorry. Okay. [34:46] Big enough. [34:47] [laughter] [34:49] Uh, so let's see here. What I'm asking for tonight is, [34:51] uh, the, uh, this is the 20-year, uh, refurb of our aerial apparatus. It's 9442 is [34:58] what its designation is. [35:01] This was a planned refurbishment the [35:05] going back to 2021, I believe, 2022. [35:11] Um, the uh, major things that originally there was uh, [35:16] a lot of different items included in it because of the substantial cost. [35:22] Uh, I have knocked it completely back to only things that have to do with safety. [35:28] So, mainly with the uh, the the latter portion of it. [35:32] Um, the uh, the truck is is 20 years old, it was placed into service in 2006. [35:39] We uh, received that truck through a uh, AFG grant. [35:45] Uh, kind of give you an idea how much uh, things have gone up since then. [35:48] What is an AFG grant? [35:50] Assistance to Firefighters Grant. [35:51] Thanks. [35:52] Sorry about that. [35:53] [laughter] It's all right. [35:54] Um, at that time that truck was 700,000, [35:59] uh, the city paid 70,000 for it. [36:02] Uh, so, for that amount of money it served the community for 20 years. [36:09] And the same truck now, now today would be about 2.3 to 2.5 million. [36:15] So, at uh, some point, uh, I better start writing grants again. [laughter] [36:21] So, [36:22] uh, for that amount of money. [36:23] Those grants are great. [36:24] So, like I said, the uh, the the truck is in a good shape. [36:29] We do have a couple of minor things that we have held off on [36:33] in anticipation of this refurbishment. Uh, they would take care of it at the same time. [36:39] But uh, I just wanted to uh, give a little bit of a shout out to our maintenance guys. [36:45] We have a tremendous maintenance program that's headed up by uh, [36:50] for the biggest part of the last 20 years it was Neil Gathers. [36:54] He has turned the reins over to Alex Myrody, but uh, [36:58] those two along with our city mechanic, [37:02] uh, they take very good care of our trucks. [37:05] They are expensive, but we keep them a long time. [37:09] Uh, for example, right now, uh, our front line engine that we're running is a 1997. [37:16] Uh, our mini pumper is a 2013. [37:19] Uh, this truck is a 2005 that was placed into service in 06. [37:25] So, [37:25] our newest engine, [37:28] no fault of our of our own uh, maintenance program it had some brackets break on the [37:35] pump module body. [37:37] Uh, that was by design from the manufacturer. [37:40] So it's in the shop right now getting worked on. [37:42] But uh, otherwise, so. [37:45] Um, what I'm asking is we [37:49] we've had this in the works for quite some time, but we never did have a contract signed [37:55] in order to order the equipment now. We have to they want us to sign a contract, of course. [38:01] There's a major piece that's uh, that needs to be replaced is it's on the turntable. [38:08] Once they order that, it takes three to four months for them to get it. [38:12] So, this truck is going to be down anywhere from six to potentially 10 months. [38:19] So. [38:20] Curiosity question. [38:22] So, we spend the [38:24] 238,000. [38:27] How much more life does that give the truck? [38:31] So, uh, NFPA gives uh, uh, recommendations just like I said, [38:36] it's up to a 10-year refurb. [38:40] What it says is it's supposed to give you another 10 to 15 years. [38:44] Um, [38:46] my uh, being being real, uh, the way we we take care of the trucks, [38:52] it could be 20. [38:53] Wow. [38:54] So. [38:55] So with the 238,000. [38:58] I I I believe it is. [38:59] Very much so. [39:00] And and like I said, the [39:01] How much would it be about 1.2? [39:03] Yeah. [39:04] Like I said, it was more of a curiosity question as opposed to a [39:07] We talked in depth about this. Um, council. This is one thing that's been talked about. [39:11] We talked about before I even got here, uh, in my role two and a half years ago. [39:16] We talked about it when it was discussed, I think when they purchased [39:22] the new one that was going to finally arrive. [39:26] Yeah. [39:27] This all. [39:28] Yeah, yeah. [39:29] And so that's where we're at. At this point, it was talked about, I think, [39:32] I think it was talked several years before that in the middle of. [39:37] Dustin just asked me, didn't we already plan this? Didn't we already? I go, [39:41] We talked about it. [39:42] It's been a long time coming. [39:45] But to be formalized, I feel like this needed to come in front of council. [39:49] Yeah, we we I I believe we have absolutely discussed it. [39:53] Um, bringing it back before you because we have not signed a contract. [39:59] I felt like when, uh, when we got that, there was a contract [40:01] that needed to be signed. I brought it to Laura. [40:04] Oh, no. We come to you because to be fair and upfront about that. [40:09] So, um, Chief, thank you. [40:11] I've uh, no doubt that we need to do this, that's kind of a [40:13] no-brainer to extend the life of it. [40:16] um, I I do have some questions though just because um, it it [40:20] talks about us using the sale of the fire station that hasn't [40:24] sold to offset it. [40:25] So, how much is in the 2027-28 budget for this? [40:29] How much is an unfunded liability? [40:32] And why didn't we plan for it if we knew it was coming in 20 years? [40:36] And that's probably a question to all of us, not just Chief. [40:39] So, it was a 20-year maintenance that we knew it was coming. [40:44] Yeah. Right. [40:45] Now it's an unfunded liability money on there. [40:47] It's coming. I just want you to know. [40:50] and I want to say that this is how things happen in cities but this [40:53] happens at times where we know we're gonna do this and a lot of times [40:56] cities will go, well, you know, we just know we're going to get a new [40:59] truck. And I think, I think the fire department's trying to be physically [41:02] responsible if it can be refurbished and kept longer, which is a good thing. [41:05] Um, the original plan, [41:08] and I'll I'll give you back a little history on this [41:11] because when I came on board, the original plan was [41:13] when it got closer to when the truck was going to be done. [41:18] They were going to bond for the new fire truck and include this [41:20] in the bond. [41:22] We didn't bond for the fire truck because we had to utilize [41:27] some ARPA funds, which during Covid, um, we received [41:31] close to, it was like $1.8 million in um funds from the Federal [41:36] Government. [41:38] And we in December of '24 had to have items that were already [41:42] contracted. [41:45] The fire truck, the new fire truck was contracted at that time, [41:49] so we utilized ARPA funds to pay for that. [41:53] This was not in that, the contract signed before Dec '24. [41:58] So this is where we're at now at this time. [42:03] Yeah. What is the unfunded piece? [42:05] What was in the 2027-28 budget? Do we know? [42:08] The '27-8, '28 budget? [42:09] 27 or 26, 26-27? [42:12] We didn't even, we did not put it in this budget yet because we're [42:15] waiting on the new fire truck to get done because we can't [42:18] move this fire truck. [42:19] It just said some of it was in there. Some of it wasn't. [42:22] Oh. So to give you a little bit more history on this one. [42:27] It is in. It's in the thing. I mean, that's my question. [42:31] The '27-28, we haven't done the '27-28 budget yet. [42:33] It says that it's in there. It's going to be in there. [42:36] but we're also looking at, you're also selling a building that has [42:40] potential of a $200,000. $200. [42:43] You don't know. We have we need to [42:46] set these funds aside now to sign this contract. [42:48] Where is it? Like, what fund did it come from right now? [42:52] If it were to come today, you're because this is a general fund issue. [42:55] This would be a general fund issue. [42:58] So with that being in the plans, [43:01] you are looking at you know that you're going to be selling your [43:03] previous fire station. [43:06] We know there is an interest of that. We haven't put it on the market yet [43:09] because we still need that fire station until we're ready. [43:13] So you're basically going to be selling a building that's going [43:17] to pay for your fire truck. [43:20] And if there is any differential, we will have to plan for that in [43:23] the budget as we prepare the budget coming up. [43:30] To be clear, it's a 200K unplanned expenditure on a budget that only [43:34] had 200K before it goes negative on a year. [43:38] Yeah. Well, now I understand. I understand. [43:42] However, the plan that was set out how many years ago did not plan out. [43:46] Yeah. So. I mean, I'm supportive. I just [43:52] That's a good question. [43:53] and I understand that you're concerned. [43:57] But, you know, you are again going to be selling, [43:59] you are going to be selling your building. [44:01] Can we do anything to mandate that the sale of the fire department [44:04] comes back to this cost? Is that a thing? [44:09] Well, when we go to put it on the market, if you want to pass [44:11] a resolution that says that, you can. [44:16] I mean, to me that building sold should go back into the Fire Department. [44:22] and how it's utilized. [44:23] It's all part of the Fire Department General Fund anyway. So. [44:26] Yeah. It's going to go in the general fund and it would go towards this. [44:32] And to answer your question, uh, [44:34] I'll I'll have one square on me that uh, the the part of this [44:38] we had a transition from [44:40] my predecessor to me. [44:44] Uh, it it just, yeah, it's it's on me. [44:49] Oh, it's on all of us. [44:51] It's uh, it's a no-brainer. It's just that budget. [44:54] Well, again. Go ahead. [44:57] was it say we originally bought a new fire truck. [45:00] So it's not it's not that we haven't planned [45:02] No, it's not that you didn't plan. [45:03] It's just we had the ARPA funds that were originally going to go to the [45:08] 20th to 30th Street Avenue L project. [45:11] That project had not had a contract yet. [45:14] And so we couldn't use that project, [45:16] so we had things in line that were [45:20] already under contract that fit the needs. [45:24] And so we shifted everything that was under contract. [45:27] That included some of the bridge um engineering for the bridge projects that Mark has. [45:33] It included the new fire truck. [45:36] It also included the purchases of the property that we needed to purchase to build where the fire station is now, the new one. [45:42] So we had some purchase orders, things under agreement to meet the needs of the of the federal code. [45:48] got enough support. We didn't have. [45:50] [rustling] [45:52] Was anyone else's question? [45:54] Any other questions from anybody? [45:57] Uh, once the contract's signed, how long before it goes in for the retrofit? [46:01] Well, right now, uh [46:04] since since we're in our uh our old firehouse, [46:07] uh we're we have the uh the new fire truck that was [46:09] ordered back in 2023. [46:12] Uh it was supposed to be coming in September. [46:15] Uh they have since pushed it back to [46:17] sometime in October. [46:19] So when that truck arrives, Ariel is going to go. [46:24] Okay, that answered my question. [46:25] Yeah. [46:26] Otherwise you could be down one truck. [46:28] Yeah. So [46:29] This the new this aerial truck it has a higher reach capability, right? [46:33] 104 foot, yeah. [46:34] So is there are we reaching out to like Kiakuck in the absence of our truck in case we need some support? Absolutely. [46:41] And we're uh I've uh worked on relationships with uh Burlington Fire, [46:46] uh so we absolutely will have their assistance during that time, [46:50] both of them. [46:51] as well as Mount Pleasant. [46:54] [rustling] [46:58] [rustling] [46:59] Just out of curiosity, um which of do these [47:05] departments all surrounding departments uh to Mount Pleasant [47:09] and Kiakuck have an aerial that is same height as ours? [47:12] Yes, they do. [47:15] Yeah. [47:17] All right then, thank you very much. [47:19] At at one time back in history when the uh Tama building was on fire, [47:24] uh all of them were around that building, ours as well. [47:29] Any further questions? [47:32] All right, then thank you very much, Chad. Justina. Council member Sparrow? [47:36] Yes. Teley? [47:38] Yes. Jagger? [47:39] Yes. Roller? [47:40] Yes. Emmett? Yes. [47:43] Okay, item number seven. [47:44] Looking for a motion in a second to adopt a resolution approving the following applications [47:50] for a three-year urban revitalization tax exemption. [47:53] For at 1734 and a half Avenue L. [47:58] Teley so moved. [48:00] Jagger two. [48:02] Okay, I don't know if anybody's noticed that building and the changes that have occurred down there. [48:07] While they've been working on it, but it's quite a change down there. [48:13] Um anybody have any questions? [48:16] All right. [48:17] We always appreciate it when citizens uh work on these old buildings. [48:24] Cuz I think Jan will tell me that's a really old building down there. [48:28] Okay. [48:29] And Andy, keep forgetting Andy's in the back row back there. [48:32] Tertio. [48:35] Oh, was it? Okay. Thank you. [48:38] All right, if there's no questions, [48:39] Um then Justina. [48:41] Council member Teley? Yes. [48:43] Yager? Yes. [48:44] Roller? Yes. [48:46] Emmett? Yes. [48:47] Sparrow? Yes. [48:50] Okay. Now we're moving on to the update, and I'm sure this is what people are really interested in. [48:56] Um this is regarding the Planning and Zoning Commission [48:59] and high infrastructure impact developments [49:02] in extraterritorial two-mile zoning. [49:07] So, item number eight. [49:09] Looking for a motion in a second to direct staff to continue working [49:13] with the Planning and Zoning Commission on the proposed zoning regulations [49:18] addressing high infrastructure impact developments. [49:21] Emmett so moved. [49:23] Sparrow seconds on that. [49:26] All right, uh, Mr. Krugmeyer, are you doing the report on this one? [49:30] So, as Doug's coming up here, I just would like to bring a few [49:35] few items to this as we explained in the council report. [49:38] Past is no planning and zoning commission, they are working on both of these ordinances. [49:44] And at our last meeting, [49:46] in all of our discussions, we wanted to bring this this evening. [49:50] We normally don't do this, come back and ask, [49:53] counselor, are you comfortable with [49:56] us are you good in our direction, but [49:58] due to both of these types of ordinances, [50:02] Planning and Zoning Commission and staff felt it was important to get some [50:07] feedback at this point and to make sure we're going in the right direction. [50:10] So with that, I will turn it over to Doug. [50:13] Exactly. So these are major code adjustments, major code additions. [50:18] Um, [50:19] We'll get to the two-mile [50:20] in a minute, but that is a council decision. [50:22] That's a citywide decision that we need to decide if we want to make. [50:26] So, when we are discussing it at staff level, [50:30] and we understand what we're what we're feeling. [50:32] Council is explaining to us what the direction we should probably go to [50:35] try and continue to protect our citizens and neighboring citizens. [50:40] Um, [50:41] start writing code, give it to P&Z, and P&Z wants to pause and wants [50:46] to hear what council really thinks about these things before we continue. [50:49] So, [50:50] here we are. [50:50] Um, the [50:52] one that we have been working on a little bit longer than the two-mile, [50:55] two-miles kind of straight forward as an adopted ordinance. [50:58] It's how we choose to zone that two-mile [51:03] that you can change. [51:05] Uh, this one is the high infrastructure impact developments. [51:09] Um, a wide variety of developments can go into that. [51:11] Some of the stuff we already have out there, [51:14] need such infrastructure that they would end up going through this [51:16] process too if we had a similar type use go in. [51:20] But I wanted to get this to you just so that we can understand. [51:25] [paper rustling] [51:27] Apparently I'm too far away. [51:29] Oh. you can. [51:36] Are you going? [51:40] Uh, what it really is. Um, [51:43] It's it's infrastructure based. That's how I decided that we decided to [51:46] kind of write this code. [51:49] It's not based on the use itself. [51:51] I don't care if it's a technology facility or you know, a [51:55] rendering plant or whatever the case may be. [51:58] It's based on how much infrastructure they need, how much use they need, [52:02] water consumption, that kind of thing. [52:05] So, based on how much they're going to need will it'll it'll scale what [52:09] kind of review we want to do for that. [52:13] Um, [52:14] that review will take engineering studies that we want to see documented, [52:19] and then if we have questions about it, we will outsource our own [52:23] independent engineering to validate what they sent us. [52:27] So they don't just send us, you know, a bread box and say, [52:29] here you go, it looks good. [52:32] Um, [52:34] And then from there we can we can really understand what it truly needs. [52:39] We think we've honed in on that number. [52:41] Now we can classify it and and see how that's going to affect. [52:47] Can we handle the utility needs or or the road needs or a wide variety of [52:51] things? [52:53] So, go to the next slide for me. [52:54] [paper rustling] [52:59] We're going to break this down into three categories. [53:02] Uh, the first category is not much infrastructure needs, smaller [53:05] facilities, we may already have water sewer in the area, and it's just [53:08] connecting to the system. [53:11] Some may need, you know, some upgrades in the system in the area to make it [53:15] work. [53:17] And some may need a new well put in because they're they need that much [53:21] water or or new substations for electrical or that kind of thing. [53:26] So, based on the classification, that's going to help us define what [53:31] list of studies we want to see to understand how that's really going [53:35] to affect the community. [53:38] Smaller ones shouldn't affect much. [53:39] We won't probably ask as many studies of that, you know, that's that's the [53:42] kind of thing we're looking for. [53:44] It's not so much use-based, it's it's infrastructure based. [53:49] And then obviously, we get noise studies and that kind of stuff [53:52] depending on what type of facility it is and and that kind of thing. [53:58] Those are just some of the examples we're looking at for the types of [54:01] studies. [54:02] Water capacity, waste water capacity, electrical, roads, traffic. [54:06] Some some places they they do a number on the roads getting developed [54:10] but don't have a lot of traffic. [54:12] So, it might be, you know, road warranties or road replacements when [54:17] completed, and then, but you don't need to expand lanes or anything, it's [54:21] it's all based on what the study is and what their proposal is [54:23] because of that. [54:30] So, we're really talking about two different things. [54:32] Um, [54:33] the HID code and then the extra territorial, I'm going to call it ET [54:36] because I think it's fun. [54:40] Um, [54:42] I am looking at doing that district, that two miles, as a standalone [54:46] zoning district. [54:48] You can extend all of our individual districts out, residential out, ag out, [54:54] commercial out, you know, up the roads and stuff like that. [54:57] I don't see that we want to do that. [54:59] I don't want to try to regulate building permits in this area. [55:02] I don't want to regulate setbacks in this area. [55:05] We're not worried about that. [55:06] We're just worried about the types of facilities [55:09] like HID, but not only that one. [55:11] You know, it could be rendering plants and and major other facilities [55:14] that we just want to know aren't going to bother the neighbors, [55:17] bother the neighborhood and potentially bother the city also. [55:21] So, uh it's really going to stay pretty high level. [55:25] Um but if they can show us that they're not going to get beyond their property lines [55:30] in in anyway, then uh it's a special use permit [55:34] and everything looks good, they'll they'll they'll still be able to develop and then we won't try to regulate the development, you know, show. [55:40] We may ask for through special use, you can ask for conditions like [55:45] like guarantees and extra studies, extra studies, extra testing once they're up and running [55:50] that our concerns have been met and complied with and that kind of thing. [55:53] But um we're not trying to do standard zoning. It's just going to stay high level. [56:02] The goal is to protect the property owner, uh prevent incompatibility, that kind of thing. [56:08] Um [56:10] Go to the next one. [56:13] And then there's just kind of a list of a list of what what things we are going to do on the left. [56:17] Or they only the kinds of facilities that might get checked [56:21] and the key is we're not going to look at the list on the right. [56:24] We don't care about the farms or the houses or the small businesses. [56:27] The stuff that's already out there, the stuff that can come and go all the time because they're just on the edge of town. [56:32] You know, if it's not bothering, if it's not bothering, if it's not big enough to bother the region, [56:37] the area, the neighborhood, then it's going to go through [56:40] and not even need review from the city. [56:43] Is the is the goal. We're just worried about the big ones. [56:49] So, the questions are for council, [56:53] one, do you have any major questions, any major questions, any anything on these two types of codes? [56:57] Are we going in the right direction? Are we going in the right direction? Are we completely off base and you want to focus on one type of use specifically [57:04] or or just write something individually? [57:06] Do we want to not do two a mile because you've heard feedback? [57:11] After this meeting, you're probably going to hear some feedback. [57:14] So, I wanted to get an understanding to get an understanding to you that what what kind of level we're really looking at. [57:19] We're not looking at full-blown zoning, we're just looking at the major uses and how that might affect the neighborhoods. [57:25] The property owners as a whole, we won't they they won't even see us. [57:30] I think it's a a good start and in the right direction. [57:33] I feel like if you guys are going to put the work in to doing this, that it should cover more than just [57:42] one specific and whatever business, whatever the situation might be. [57:49] But so I feel like this is a good start. [57:53] So, we're not trying to play catchup. [57:56] Right, those new types of uses always pop up and and they haven't even been defined yet. [58:00] So, this would still help cover those kinds of things. [58:02] And I'd love to give Barb a chance. Barb's our planning and zoning director. [58:05] [laughter] and has sat in these meetings and I'm sure would have questions for you specifically. [58:10] So, Barb, if you want to say, go for it. [58:12] Real real quick, Barb, before you jump up, I'll fill in some of the things that I think are [58:17] our P&Z has been getting absolutely punished online [58:21] uh with all sorts of false information. [58:24] They're they're on the take. This is a a new law to put data centers in. [58:29] So, it's um it's really important that right messaging comes out here that [58:34] right now, we don't have any tools to deal with this. [58:37] If somebody goes into the uh uh yeah, I too, there's nothing we can do about it. [58:43] If somebody goes two miles out, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. [58:47] So, that's what they're asking us to do is as the elected officials [58:52] to to really be on record that we're asking them to go and and do this work [58:58] and that we get the message out there that we get the message out there that this isn't a vote for a hit property, [59:04] it's a vote to have uh tools in place [59:08] so that it's not just an automatic yes or an automatic no [59:12] and that they have to go through this evaluation criteria. [59:14] So, Barb, I think that covered the ones that I need to cover. Come on up. [59:19] [laughter] [59:22] I didn't want to start talking and too hot. [59:25] Um Barb AC, chairperson, planning and zoning. [59:29] Um these are big conversations, these are big conversations, these are big concerns, these are a big deal. [59:34] And so that's why the commission wanted to bring it back to the elected officials. [59:40] We are volunteers. Yes, we signed up for this, but it's feeling a little brutal lately. [59:45] And so, um we want input. [59:48] Um I think that some of the concerns especially with the extraterritorial [59:52] doning. That's a big deal, you guys. [59:56] Um, and I think that needs to be a collaboration with the county. [59:59] I mean, the people that live in the county live there for a reason. [1:00:03] Um, we need to be very respectful [1:00:06] and um, you know, and and about their choices and where they live. [1:00:11] I mean, we're retroactively ask, you know, um, enacting something. [1:00:15] You know, like this didn't exist when they bought this property. [1:00:18] We're coming in after the fact. [1:00:19] Is it necessary? [1:00:21] Possibly. [1:00:22] But we need direction from you guys [1:00:24] because if there's no intention of passing something like this, there's no point [1:00:28] talking about it. [1:00:28] So, um, in the interest of being efficient and doing it correct, [1:00:32] uh, we want input from you and your constituents and um, [1:00:37] make sure that we're going in the right direction. [1:00:38] I don't think there's any like Doug said, there's no interest in like [1:00:41] micromanaging this two-mile radius. [1:00:44] Um, but maybe there's no interest in doing it at all. [1:00:47] And maybe with, [1:00:49] you know, if the county, from my understanding, is starting to, they [1:00:52] put the moratorium in on the data centers. [1:00:54] They're starting to engage counsel on how to regulate some things in the county, [1:00:59] which might make this a moot point. [1:01:01] You know, if the county's going to step in and regulate county, [1:01:05] then we don't have as many concerns. [1:01:07] So, there's some overlap there, how do we handle it? What do we do? [1:01:09] Let's not waste time. [1:01:11] Let's do what people want to do. [1:01:13] Um, what do you guys want to do? [1:01:15] And then for the high impact development, [1:01:18] um, my personal concern is [1:01:22] uh, you know, we're trying to not be too specific because, [1:01:25] you know, as we're learning with all sorts of things from e-scooters to [1:01:28] data centers, like things are constantly developing and if you label things [1:01:31] too specifically, you might mess something that could potentially come in that [1:01:34] was unintended. [1:01:37] But is there a concern that by trying to be too broad, we're accidentally [1:01:40] labeling something and maybe hindering a business that shouldn't be, um, [1:01:45] for example, and so, [1:01:50] You guys know I'm not a politician. I just, you know, talk, but I [1:01:55] I think my instincts are correct. [1:01:56] I don't have, you know, suave language to explain this. [1:01:59] But I just, you know, if we're going to have a business, just because they [1:02:02] need a lot of water doesn't mean it's that we don't want them in our in our [1:02:05] community. [1:02:06] But like there's certain businesses that we're going to want to encourage and [1:02:09] we we want them here. [1:02:12] There's others that we don't. [1:02:13] So maybe maybe this is multiple things. Maybe there are specific things and broad [1:02:16] things. [1:02:17] And maybe this is a very layered approach that we need to take. [1:02:21] But without some feedback from the people that are actually going to be voting on [1:02:24] this, I mean, we need some direction. [1:02:27] Because this is a lot to put on the shoulders of just four people. [1:02:32] Four people. [1:02:34] with no formal training. [1:02:36] Who didn't get voted for me. [1:02:38] Who don't get paid and don't get breath. [1:02:40] But you do a wonderful job. [1:02:41] We appreciate it. And our good people. [1:02:43] It's so [1:02:44] I and I think it's unfortunate and maybe you guys can explain it. [1:02:47] And that planning is doing us some really cool things. [1:02:49] We talk about all sorts of things and we we're very, I think the group that [1:02:54] we have right now is a very good commission [1:02:55] and we try very hard to be open-minded and we want to encourage development and [1:02:59] we want to make things more transparent, easier processes. We're not trying to [1:03:04] make things difficult. [1:03:06] But, you know, then things like this come up, um, and we we kind of get a bad rap, [1:03:10] but [1:03:11] we we are, we did bring this back to you because we do think people should [1:03:14] have input. [1:03:15] Not because we never cared or why do we never cared or why do we care now? It's no, because we always cared. [1:03:20] We're we're going through the process just like we all need to do. [1:03:23] This is the process. [1:03:24] It's your turn. [1:03:26] We need input. [1:03:27] So, [1:03:28] do you have any questions for me? [1:03:29] I I think the main concern that I've always had along and it it seems like [1:03:33] it's been cleared up that [1:03:34] I didn't want to see uh encroaching into that two-mile and essentially, [1:03:38] I mean, like you said, people live in the county for a reason. [1:03:41] They don't want to deal with some of the issues that people that live in [1:03:44] town are willing to deal with. [1:03:46] Well, and [1:03:47] [inaudible] [1:03:49] I might [1:03:51] I can be wrong with this, [1:03:52] but I think possibly some of the people that were maybe the loudest talkers about, [1:03:56] hey, the two-mile people, you know, like, hey, we have two miles, we have two miles [1:04:00] that we can regulate, that kind of thought process probably came from people that [1:04:04] live in town and not the people that live out in that two-mile area. [1:04:11] No, they're they're out there too. [1:04:13] They're very concerned. [1:04:14] People are concerned and this is a big, this is not should not be taken lightly. [1:04:17] This is a big deal. [1:04:18] Well, I mean, like us coming in and saying, [1:04:20] hey, [1:04:21] Oh, sure. in the city like, [1:04:23] hey, this is two miles in and yeah. [1:04:26] Well, [1:04:27] I think that is kind of what I was saying. It's easy for me to say, [1:04:29] hey, yeah, it's two miles and I don't live outside. [1:04:33] Oh, it is, but I think it's the same question that we get, you guys have to [1:04:36] consider all the time as people come to you and say, don't tell me to mow my lawn [1:04:40] but make sure my neighbor does. [1:04:41] You know, it's the same thing. [1:04:43] that we always but it doesn't make it an invalid question and it doesn't mean [1:04:47] that the conversations are pointless. I mean, these they need to happen. [1:04:50] People are concerned, people that live [1:04:52] within the two mile. [1:04:53] They they don't want to be regulated [1:04:55] and you could tell them all day long. We're looking at high level regulation. [1:04:58] Okay, that needs to be very defined because otherwise [1:05:01] I mean, who's going to believe us? Right. [1:05:05] Well, I mean, it has to be very specific. [1:05:07] Well, and also you have that that slippery slope argument, you know, [1:05:10] once you let that door crack open, [1:05:12] it'll slowly creep open wider and wider because [1:05:16] the next uproar that comes to the the the territory. [1:05:20] Yeah. They are. I mean, you guys all know. [1:05:22] I I'm extremely concerned that people have rights, people have property rights. [1:05:25] If you're and they need to be respected. [1:05:27] Um, I think I think that is that is a huge thing. [1:05:31] I mean, I'm not saying one is more important than the other, but [1:05:34] The two mile radius is a big deal. [1:05:35] But also it's affecting people that live in the county and [1:05:39] if we do that, too though, um, I don't know if Doug or Laura, if it's in your notes, [1:05:42] I didn't check, but [1:05:43] um, if we do enact that, we also have to increase our planning and zoning board [1:05:46] by two members. [1:05:48] And those two members come from the county. [1:05:51] They're not they don't they're full voting members on everything that planning and [1:05:54] zoning does for our city, but they don't live in the city. [1:05:57] And so not that that's good or bad, it's just information. [1:06:00] So those we have to um increase the board of adjustments [1:06:05] uh by one person. [1:06:07] Yeah, two people. [1:06:08] I mean, two people, too on that? [1:06:10] So, I mean, it it it does affect a lot of different things. [1:06:13] And then I think everyone needs to be really well educated on what we're doing. [1:06:16] And the commission needs to trust, we need to be able to trust that we're [1:06:21] we're acting in good faith to here. [1:06:24] And we we have to be able to rely on the people that are giving us the information. [1:06:29] And so, I mean, there's a lot going on here. [1:06:32] Would those increases of two members of each of those boards, [1:06:35] is that just for the extra because of the extra territorial or is it [1:06:38] for the high impact? [1:06:39] No, no. It's extraterritorial. ET. [1:06:42] So whenever a city does a two-mile radius zoning, which is very common. [1:06:47] It is very common for cities that are incorporated for Madison to have [1:06:52] a two-mile zoning around their city, [1:06:56] especially if the county does not have a zoning ordinance. [1:07:00] I know the county is starting those discussions, it's going to be a while [1:07:04] for that two-mile radius to be covered in the county zoning. [1:07:08] So something that, you know, the city could do, and then as the county develops their [1:07:12] planning and zoning, we can decide, hey, you know what, this works well, [1:07:16] it takes care of it, we don't need it. [1:07:21] Or or we compliment our two-mile zoning to work with the county, um, [1:07:25] ordinance. [1:07:28] But those members on those boards would be voted by and I mean, they would be [1:07:32] appointed by the county, we ask the county to appoint them to our commission [1:07:35] to represent the county portion of that. [1:07:39] Um, with that. [1:07:40] But it is very common, um, planning and zoning uh codes came into the state [1:07:43] in late 60s, many cities adopted that two-mile radius at that time. [1:07:50] Yeah, and I think this is where it goes from the the board to discussion on us up here and [1:07:55] you know, I'm uh we already have the uh two-mile for subdivisions. [1:08:01] A lot of people don't know that and that and that did cause some confusion during this whole [1:08:05] the because we had the subdivisions. [1:08:08] Um, you know, I think the list that did we publish goes a long way of um, [1:08:12] hopefully, it it won't, there will be a lot of people out here. [1:08:16] But then as the city council, I think we have to look at the other side of it. [1:08:20] There is a reason that an industry comes half a mile outside of town. [1:08:25] And that is to take the resources of the resources of the town without having to contribute to the town. [1:08:30] And and I think as the city council, that's what we have to look at here. [1:08:34] You know, it's uh it gets all the all the stuff that we put in. [1:08:40] But none of the uh franchise tax, doesn't have to pay the, you know, [1:08:44] it's that's what we're trying to prove. [1:08:48] But the opposite end of that coin is is is three miles same thing if we was to do that. Yeah. [1:08:54] I mean, it's not going to change the amount of electricity used, it's all comes [1:08:57] from the same grid, the natural gas, same grid, the natural gas, same thing, it comes from the same pipelines [1:09:00] through the same company. [1:09:03] So, yes, I I don't disagree with whether we need to do this or that we need [1:09:07] to do this something along these lines. [1:09:11] But I just want everyone to realize that two miles and three miles isn't [1:09:15] really that far apart. [1:09:17] If you're talking utilities, yeah. [1:09:19] I'm talking mainly utility. [1:09:21] I mean, that's that's one of the biggest concerns a lot of people have on this is that [1:09:25] yes, there's the noise and and I'm not diminishing that, but a lot of the [1:09:29] concerns is how much is my electric bill going to go up because we don't have [1:09:33] enough electricity or natural gas in this area as it is. [1:09:36] Well, make sure not to confuse the two though. [1:09:37] So the H I I D is an ordinance that would apply to city limits. [1:09:42] Like, Yes. [1:09:44] And the extraterritorial is just that there they're two separate things. [1:09:49] Yeah. But but [1:09:50] you couldn't with the two mile uh extra territorial, [1:09:54] then then that HID would also be a part of that two mile. [1:09:59] It would. It can if you want that. [1:10:00] It can. It doesn't have to. [1:10:01] And that's so part of the two mile too though? [1:10:04] Yeah, we haven't uh the commission has not [1:10:07] we have a working draft, [1:10:09] but we haven't, we've been focusing on the other one. [1:10:11] Really, yeah. [1:10:12] It's keeps getting table cause we run out of time, [1:10:14] but the two mile zoning um, [1:10:16] we haven't even gone through a list of um, [1:10:19] you know, what would be allowed or not allowed. um. [1:10:22] So, I mean it can be a specific or as broad as we're [1:10:26] instructed to do. [1:10:28] A lot of cities what they will do with us is [1:10:31] they will in that two mile radius, they will zone [1:10:35] areas as if they were zoning it within their city. [1:10:40] I'm not even sure where like even to that point of that, [1:10:44] I think our biggest concern is [1:10:46] it allows for us to make sure [1:10:51] again, the whole purpose of this two-mile zoning is, [1:10:54] those are going to be those areas that you may annex [1:10:56] in in the future. [1:10:58] And so that's why if it's if it's an ag, it should be in [1:11:01] it should be an ag, [1:11:02] if it's residential, it's residential. [1:11:03] If it's industrial, it should be industrial. [1:11:06] And so when we have some control in a two-mile radius, [1:11:10] we can control exactly the pro you know, [1:11:13] is it need to have a special use request [1:11:15] through board of adjustment. [1:11:17] It allows for a board of adjustment to take a look at it [1:11:20] a little more in depth. [1:11:22] as to, okay, does this fit this area? [1:11:25] Because sometimes people think things fit in an area, [1:11:28] it doesn't always fit in the area, [1:11:30] but there might be an area somewhere else that fits much [1:11:32] better for that situation. [1:11:34] It just allows for us to have a little more control within our [1:11:37] boundaries around the city. [1:11:41] We're not looking as Doug mentioned, [1:11:43] Barb's hit on this a little bit. [1:11:45] We understand, and coming from a staff standpoint, um, [1:11:49] we understand people live out in the county for reasons. [1:11:53] We do not have enough staff to handle every building permit [1:11:56] that goes on in the county. [1:11:58] That's not our goal. [1:12:00] This is not a goal to oh, every house, [1:12:03] every fence, every whatever. [1:12:05] That is not it. That's not what we're looking at. [1:12:07] We're not looking at it implementing, no, [1:12:09] you know, what they do, what we do in the city out [1:12:12] in those areas. [1:12:14] We're just making sure that what develops around us is the right [1:12:17] fit for the future of Fort Madison and the protection [1:12:21] of our two mile radius. [1:12:25] So, you know, it is a again, something that's been put [1:12:28] in place for numerous years, used in other locations. [1:12:32] We're not there to regulate, you know, [1:12:35] how many dogs they have in their yard or whatever the case may be. [1:12:39] You know, I think that that is some concerns. [1:12:42] Well, one thing hasn't been discussed. [1:12:43] Like I at the commission hasn't gotten into it. [1:12:46] You haven't gotten a lot of in-depth. We haven't had time. [1:12:48] No, we it keeps getting table. [1:12:49] That that particular discussion keeps getting table. [1:12:51] So, it but that's why it kind of came up though too is because [1:12:54] if it's gonna be an uphill battle the whole way and you [1:12:57] have no intentions of pursuing something like this, [1:12:59] or you feel a collaboration with the county would be more [1:13:02] effective and you want to pursue that for a while, [1:13:04] then we're not going to even put it on the agenda. [1:13:06] We're going to focus on other things. [1:13:09] So I think that's where the commission would like input [1:13:12] and feedback of what you want from us to be working on, [1:13:16] and if so, then we will work on that, but [1:13:19] I it's a like it's a big deal. I mean, [1:13:23] Have we talked very much? [1:13:25] Okay. Well, actually, uh yes, Mayor. [1:13:29] And then I'll respond to your question. [1:13:31] And as far as the other one, I think the the biggest thing is, [1:13:33] are we on the right track, are we on the right direction? [1:13:36] Are we too broad? Are we not should we be more specific? [1:13:39] If you've got one specific concern and you just want us to [1:13:42] write an ordinance for data centers, then we'll do, you know, [1:13:44] We'll work on what we need to work on. [1:13:46] We don't want to be wasting time cause this a this is a lot. [1:13:49] This is a lot and there's a lot of pieces and my concern frankly [1:13:52] is being too broad and not hitting our intended target. [1:13:58] If the target is in fact to regulate more like [1:14:01] electronic businesses, then let's do that. [1:14:04] I just there is a concern. [1:14:07] Okay, so I think as it concerns the high [1:14:10] infrastructure impact developments, one of the things [1:14:13] that I note when I look at the count or the city zoning [1:14:18] we have I2 in which uh one of these can be built [1:14:23] as it is right now that starts in the vicinity of 12 to 13 [1:14:26] Street and runs all the way along Fort Madison's Riverfront, [1:14:31] even all the way up to Avenue O in some locations. [1:14:35] and then you've clear out to 50th Street I believe [1:14:38] or Throe Road. [1:14:40] So, we need something [1:14:42] we need this HID as soon as possible, in my [1:14:49] opinion. [1:14:50] We need something in there. [1:14:51] We need something regarding this. [1:14:53] because we can have something walk in tomorrow and want to go here, [1:14:58] and that could be located [1:15:00] 100 feet away from somebody's residential property. [1:15:03] Because there are residential that borders that, um, [1:15:06] I2. [1:15:08] So [1:15:11] let's just focus right now on the high impact. [1:15:14] I think we can safely take a vote. I think we're all on the same [1:15:17] consensus. [1:15:19] Well, [1:15:19] can I just say though, I understand that it is a [1:15:21] concern and we're trying the the commission is trying to put [1:15:24] use the word tools I like that. [1:15:25] We're not we need the tools, right? [1:15:27] We need the tools in order to do it right. [1:15:29] But we need to do be smart and we need to do this right [1:15:31] the first time, you know, [1:15:33] like we didn't we can't go out there with a dull saw blade people. [1:15:36] Like this isn't going to work. [1:15:38] Like we need to be smart. [1:15:40] Um, so you want this tomorrow, but we're not just going to [1:15:42] I'm not saying tomorrow. [1:15:43] You want us to work effectively, we need information. [1:15:46] We need quality information. We need direction. [1:15:49] We need experts and if you want us to do it, then we need it now. [1:15:52] because otherwise we're just spending our wheels. [1:15:54] Okay. [1:15:55] so [1:15:56] Barb. [1:15:57] We have gone we've spent a lot of time on the HID one. [1:16:01] Yeah. [1:16:02] And and we haven't spent as much time on the Tumba because [1:16:04] we've we've really in-depth HID. [1:16:06] And I think we've developed a pretty good in-depth that [1:16:10] allows for us to go in and look at [1:16:14] when a facility comes to us and we have the classes [1:16:18] what does that look like [1:16:19] and we're also we're just not allowing someone to come in [1:16:23] and pick [1:16:24] a location [1:16:26] and not tell us what are all the impacts of the infrastructure [1:16:28] and what it would do for the community. [1:16:32] So I think those are very key things in there. [1:16:36] And I think Council from from the vibe I'm getting, I think [1:16:39] Council is happy, [1:16:41] if you're not, speak up. [1:16:43] This is where Barb's wanting that info. [1:16:45] feedback is, are you happy with us saying, [1:16:48] you're going to need, you know, an industry comes in. [1:16:50] We want to know the impact of air quality, noise, [1:16:54] what are we going to need for water? [1:16:56] What is it going to be on sewer? [1:16:57] What is it going to be on electricity? [1:16:58] What is that impact going to be to the community? [1:17:02] And it's really the responsibility when someone [1:17:05] really wants to develop to bring that to the table. [1:17:07] Mhm. [1:17:09] I think the ordinance looks good. [1:17:13] I recognize that we are dealing with legal counsel on this. [1:17:15] They are reviewing it. [1:17:18] They are [1:17:19] Yes, they've done one. [1:17:21] They've done one review. [1:17:21] working with us to help format it. [1:17:25] Um, and I think Fort Madison is also kind of on the cutting [1:17:28] edge of doing this. [1:17:30] It's just the type of the way we're writing it, [1:17:34] different. [1:17:35] most. [1:17:36] You know, I'm trying to focus on infrastructure. [1:17:39] Mhm. [1:17:41] Other cities are being more specific in their drafts [1:17:44] about the types of businesses and ours is much more broad. [1:17:51] I'm not sure that I it's one way to do it. [1:17:54] Is it the right way? Is it the best way? [1:17:56] I don't know. [1:17:57] But it's what that's the direction we're going though unless we [1:18:00] pivot. [1:18:01] I think maybe it's too late now. It's fair to say that is a [1:18:03] concern that they had at the last meeting. [1:18:06] Mhm. [1:18:07] Uh, does the council want them to focus on one thing that [1:18:11] we keep hearing about in the news, [1:18:13] or do we want to focus on Hid [1:18:16] that may catch other businesses in the net? [1:18:20] is the the concern that the the board have? [1:18:23] I think because of where our location is for the I2. [1:18:28] In our town, it's not like we have all I2, [1:18:30] it's out here in the industrial area. [1:18:33] Our I2 runs south of the railroad tracks, [1:18:36] starting like I said about 12th Street, [1:18:38] and then it just keeps going all the way out to 50th Street, [1:18:41] and then we have more I2 out there where climax and Siemens [1:18:43] and that are. [1:18:45] But we have a lot of residential there. [1:18:47] So there's we're unusual for some communities [1:18:51] because their I2 may be generally located in, you know, [1:18:53] an industrial area. [1:18:55] Ours is running along our entire community. [1:18:59] So I like the idea of pulling everything in. [1:19:04] So, Angela, did you? [1:19:05] I think that's kind of where my question would be, [1:19:08] are you is the concern about pulling everything in that [1:19:11] we might exclude a business [1:19:13] that possibly we would want or no? [1:19:17] Potentially. [1:19:18] Yeah, so you know, sometimes I and in the adverse consequence [1:19:20] of, you know, trying to make something a catch all [1:19:24] and I like the idea and we're going to have to put this [1:19:26] through its paces and like try, like if we have a matrix, [1:19:28] like all right, let's put this on the matrix, this hypothetical [1:19:30] business, and let's see how it works out. [1:19:32] It needs to work from the beginning. [1:19:33] Um, and we'll make sure it does if that's the direction we go. [1:19:37] But there's always a concern, right? Is like when you [1:19:39] try to be too broad do do the outliers [1:19:42] get that when we're actually concerned about the outliers, [1:19:45] but we're trying to be in the middle. Do we actually [1:19:50] accidentally, totally missed the mark and not get what we want. [1:19:52] If what we want is out here, then let's just do that. [1:19:54] Or or do you like being in the middle? Do you want the middle? [1:19:57] Well, I guess my thought is is [1:19:59] or both. [1:20:00] You know, the maybe the and maybe I'm thinking this wrong, [1:20:02] but if the concern is is that we might exclude a business [1:20:06] that maybe we would potentially want. [1:20:09] Or is already here. [1:20:12] I mean, that fits on this. [1:20:15] Do we want that? [1:20:16] I mean, are they doing stuff that wouldn't fit into our [1:20:19] into a community or a neighborhood anyway. [1:20:22] Well, if you're going that makes sense. [1:20:23] If you're going by the utilities, though, [1:20:25] I mean, what about a business that's already existing [1:20:28] that's a major employer of our community, but [1:20:30] they want to do an expansion? [1:20:32] Then all of a sudden, you know, you're going to have [1:20:34] bigger utility needs for that business. [1:20:38] And this as it's written and I think to your concern is [1:20:41] or as we're currently doing it. [1:20:44] Um, there are substantial costs. [1:20:47] You know, that could be whether a business comes or doesn't come. [1:20:50] We're requiring engineering studies and input [1:20:53] from the lion and input from, you know, all of that. [1:20:58] That that's the that's the concern. [1:21:00] Well, we already have these processes in place. [1:21:02] We already, you know, court these businesses and work with them already. [1:21:05] I mean, so there's already processes in place. [1:21:07] I mean, it's just it sounds like I'm arguing against the [1:21:09] very thing I'm working on And that's not [1:21:11] [laughter] a little bit. [1:21:12] It does. [1:21:15] It does, but devil's advocate. [1:21:17] I mean, that's it. [1:21:18] It does. [1:21:19] I hear myself, but [1:21:20] you have to understand that this is this [1:21:23] it's it sounds that way because I take it very seriously. [1:21:28] And it is a big deal and it affects a lot of people. [1:21:30] And people that live here, I live here, I work here. [1:21:32] I've got kids here. [1:21:33] I mean, this is a big deal. [1:21:35] And I don't we need to do it right. [1:21:37] And and [1:21:38] it's a lot to comprehend and it's a lot to understand. [1:21:42] And [1:21:45] I mean, we're just doing the best we can. [1:21:47] So, [1:21:48] Well, the flip side of it is if you want to narrow the scope, [1:21:53] then you know, narrow the scope and say we're going to be strictly limited to this, [1:21:59] then something else pops up. [1:22:00] Yeah. [1:22:01] And you're like, oh no, this is not, this is not going to work. [1:22:06] then we're [1:22:08] So we might be looking at a broad one with an overlay [1:22:11] that is more like specific to a particular industry. [1:22:13] This might be this is probably a multi-tiered approach. [1:22:17] Yeah, so there's a special use to this too, correct, Doug? [1:22:23] Like like they request a special use. [1:22:26] The so a business would show up and say, hey, we want to do this. [1:22:29] Right? What are we going to do? [1:22:30] Mm. [1:22:32] And that would trigger this ordinance, we'd change how that gets triggered. [1:22:36] Right? [1:22:37] Depending on the team. [1:22:38] Right now and I do, it's going to go through staff level [1:22:40] across the board. In fact, every department. [1:22:43] Yeah. [1:22:44] And we do it in house. [1:22:45] And there's not a lot of check and balance. [1:22:47] Mark says, I can't get you that much water unless we do something. [1:22:51] This is going to define what they need to prove to us [1:22:54] so that we can quantify review of that. [1:22:59] That's the key. [1:23:00] It doesn't mean that they won't come in and proceed. [1:23:03] It's we need all that information anyway, we're just [1:23:06] scratching the surface trying to get it. [1:23:09] And we're saying, I need to see this information now. [1:23:12] I don't think that's unreasonable for them [1:23:15] trying to develop a $20 million facility. [1:23:19] The studies. [1:23:20] They're going to give them all that information anyway. [1:23:22] Yeah. [1:23:23] Yeah. [1:23:24] And if they're willing to pay to mitigate those things, [1:23:26] it doesn't matter what industry they necessarily are. [1:23:29] They're still going to get their their permits to [1:23:32] run their business or factory. [1:23:34] And that's where the D comes into development agreements, [1:23:35] it might be a development agreement with the city [1:23:38] because they're bringing jobs. [1:23:39] Yeah. [1:23:40] Mhm. [1:23:41] They might be a development agreement because [1:23:43] they're not bringing jobs that they benefit the city [1:23:44] in some other way. [1:23:46] Yeah. [1:23:47] Or at least not harm the city. [1:23:48] Exactly. [1:23:49] Yeah. [1:23:50] That's what I know we've been working on. [1:23:51] So [1:23:53] a lot of work. [1:23:53] Yeah. [1:23:55] A lot of work you've been doing. What I've seen you [1:23:57] guys have been doing good work. [1:23:58] I understand why you're standing in front of us today. [1:24:01] So what do you need from us? [1:24:02] To go forward. [1:24:03] Like if we all say, hey, we like what you're doing right here. [1:24:08] What do you need from us today? [1:24:09] Today. [1:24:10] To go forward. [1:24:13] anybody that has questions [1:24:15] and go through them more, [1:24:17] give us your input. [1:24:18] Talk to the public. [1:24:19] I mean, you guys the public can reach out to you. [1:24:22] Do we want them to go forward on Hid? [1:24:25] Do we want them to go forward on something less broad? [1:24:28] Well, we do have a motion on the table to move forward with the hid. [1:24:33] So if if staff all not staff, sorry, council comfortable [1:24:37] with the direction they're going. [1:24:41] I'm hit, I am, yes. [1:24:42] Okay. [1:24:43] Okay. [1:24:44] All right. [1:24:45] Everybody down here for me? [1:24:46] Okay. [1:24:47] So I'm going to is there anybody in the audience [1:24:50] who wants to say anything? [1:24:52] Are y'all good? [1:24:54] Okay. [1:24:56] So, I'm going to ask Justina to call the roll. [1:24:58] Council member Tily. Yes. [1:25:01] Yager. Yes. Roller. Yes. [1:25:03] Emmet. Yes. Pharaoh. Yes. [1:25:07] Okay. So now item number nine is a motion and a second to direct staff [1:25:11] to continue working with the planning and zoning commission on the [1:25:14] proposed zoning ordinance for the city's two-mile [1:25:17] extraterritorial zoning area. [1:25:21] Yager moves. Emmit two. [1:25:25] Okay. So, Doug's already talked to us about this. [1:25:30] And we got Barb here for questions. [1:25:33] Um, I had a couple conversations with people [1:25:39] and the idea, the concerns that I was hearing are from people [1:25:43] who think that we're going to go out there and, hey, [1:25:47] we're going to treat that two-mile area like it's the city. [1:25:51] And I've told him that is not what the plan is. [1:25:56] It is it's not what you think it is, [1:26:01] it's going to be so much easier than that. [1:26:03] You know, we're not going to restrict ag operations, [1:26:06] we're not going to restrict things. [1:26:09] for residential. [1:26:11] So, I'll just say it. [1:26:15] Mhm. [1:26:16] Similar to this, we had a lot of conversation last month [1:26:20] regarding the property on the hill and [1:26:24] the city could stop this. [1:26:26] No, we can't because we don't have a two-mile radius. [1:26:29] We cannot permit it. We can't do anything [1:26:31] unless it was in the city limits. [1:26:34] And it's not except for the few parcels that it is. [1:26:38] So, that's where and we have feedback and I got [1:26:41] a lot of feedback saying, [1:26:43] Well, I don't want this, but I don't want you to control this. [1:26:46] And I think we can create this two-mile zoning in a in [1:26:49] the best world that [1:26:52] allows for us to at least know what's going in and if it [1:26:57] fits a certain criteria in the zoning process, [1:27:01] there's a much more bigger review to it to put some teeth to it [1:27:04] versus us saying we can't do anything. [1:27:07] Because no one liked it when we said we couldn't do anything. [1:27:12] And Doug, you're there, so do you want to add to that? [1:27:15] You're spot on. [1:27:16] Okay, does anybody have any comments, questions? [1:27:19] Uh, I mean, my main concerns is is like I had mentioned earlier, [1:27:23] a bit of a slippery slope idea. [1:27:25] 15 years from now, none of us are going to be [1:27:28] sitting in these chairs. [1:27:29] And what happens then with the decisions that are made by [1:27:32] the people that take our places. [1:27:34] This is a big change. [1:27:35] Yes. That's. [1:27:36] And then every time we adjust that, that's another council that [1:27:40] would still have to adjust our zoning code to make those changes? [1:27:43] But [1:27:44] One thing to highlight here is we haven't stuck, [1:27:48] you haven't started working on it, but the board has not. [1:27:52] No. [1:27:52] So like if somebody, some questions that came up today, [1:27:56] do we want to hear from the county and find out if there's anything [1:28:00] they want to work on together. [1:28:01] We can table this, you know, that's [inaudible]. [1:28:02] Well, I can give you an update. [1:28:04] I'll give you an update on a staff point. [1:28:06] Would that be good, Melinda? [1:28:07] Yeah, it would be good. [1:28:08] Let me tell you this and then you can go from there. [1:28:10] So, since we worked on sending you out the ordinance last week [1:28:13] and prepped the council packet, um, [1:28:16] actually Doug, [1:28:17] um, and myself had the opportunity to sit down and talk a little bit [1:28:22] more with the county on and chat about this whole [1:28:26] process. [1:28:29] And what they're looking at doing with the two-mile zoning with the [1:28:33] whole um, piece with their, what are they looking at? [1:28:38] Does are they going to do, you know, a high density, high impact [1:28:42] or are they going to be strictly data centers, or they going to be [1:28:45] strictly nuclear? What are they looking at? [1:28:48] So, as I mentioned earlier, planning and zoning at the [1:28:51] county level is going to take some time. [1:28:53] They have to form a commission. They're going to have to have a [1:28:56] staff person. They're going to it's going to take time. [1:28:59] And when if they put that in place, then the next layer would come [1:29:02] back if we do the two-mile, [1:29:05] does the city's two-mile override theirs, [1:29:08] or does it complement and that's what would have to be developed [1:29:12] as they develop theirs. [1:29:15] So, that's kind of where we're at at this point. [1:29:17] So are you saying that maybe we should kind of slow walk that? [1:29:23] Um, I would not advise that. [1:29:24] No. [1:29:25] Uh, [1:29:26] I was also present at that meeting and um, I think it is it is a good [1:29:30] move for us to continue doing what we're doing [1:29:34] for now. [1:29:37] Okay. [1:29:38] Yes. [1:29:39] Just reminder also though that [1:29:41] Uh, [1:29:42] Sorry, that two-mile moves. [1:29:45] We NAC said that two-mile goes further out than it is today. [1:29:49] I mean, just throwing that out there. [1:29:51] Someone might not think much about it. [1:29:54] Oh, we're on two miles out. [1:29:55] city limits, [1:29:56] but we have a new industry that comes in, that's in the county, right on there and they want to come and and [1:30:01] just like the KCs at the edge of town want to become part of the city. [1:30:05] that two mile moves into a neighborhood where I might not have ever I never thought that that was going to be a problem for them. [1:30:12] Well, I believe nine times out of 10, [1:30:15] it's it's not going to be a problem for any residential or farm operation. [1:30:21] Right. We're not worried about that. [1:30:22] Yes. And I I don't disagree with that. [1:30:23] I don't disagree with that. [1:30:25] I like you said, that might I agree it's always been. [1:30:27] Well, let's go 99 out of a hundred times. [1:30:29] The argument's always been the the slippery slope idea of [1:30:31] when all the pieces are off the chessboard, there's new pieces on the board. [1:30:36] Then where are the rules then? [1:30:41] So my, I guess closing statement would be, [1:30:44] uh, we've seen a lot of concern from the public. [1:30:47] Mhm. [1:30:48] And we reviewed our code and it needs adjustment. [1:30:53] And we understand that we can't do anything outside two miles, [1:30:55] outside city limits. [1:30:58] virtually at all. [1:31:00] And we have the ability to change that. [1:31:03] in a reasonable time frame, so at least there's some upfront control, [1:31:07] some checks and balances. [1:31:10] Mhm. [1:31:11] The county's working on theirs, that's a whole new department for them, [1:31:13] that's gonna take them some time. [1:31:16] When they get there's done, it'll be a discussion between the city and the [1:31:18] county, how we want to mesh those [1:31:21] or do we rescind ours because they are now doing zoning and they're [1:31:25] checking that for themselves and [1:31:27] in theory, watching our boundary for us. [1:31:30] But for the time being, I think it's wise to protect ourselves. [1:31:36] as a city. [1:31:37] Yeah. [1:31:38] And I think we were elected by the citizens of Fort Madison and the [1:31:42] citizens of Fort Madison are wanting the city protected from some things [1:31:46] and this is part of that. [1:31:49] And the real key is, what do we actually looking at? [1:31:52] The things that the people in the two mile are concerned about also. [1:31:55] That's what we're looking at. [1:31:56] We're not looking at their lot and whether they build a new [1:31:58] poll barn or not. [1:31:59] I don't care. [1:32:00] And just one more piece, if you look at our history on the two mile [1:32:04] subdivisions, we've been very reasonable across how many years. [1:32:08] We we have a body of evidence to show that we are being responsible and [1:32:11] reasonable in maintaining the two mile ordinance. [1:32:15] Right. [1:32:16] Right. [1:32:16] And and I've been mentally playing devil's advocate here. I'm not saying [1:32:19] that this this should not happen. [1:32:22] I just I came from the county for a lot of years and, you know, [1:32:27] out in the county people don't tolerate certain things like they're [1:32:30] willing to hear in the city. [1:32:33] And I just want to make sure that what happens stops at I don't want to [1:32:36] see complete planning and zoning outside of the city. [1:32:40] Absolutely. [1:32:41] I don't want to sound like that. [1:32:42] I like that. Well, I'll be honest, [1:32:45] following the things that have been going on, it would have surprised me [1:32:48] if every incorporated community in the county wanted to do a two-mile ordinance [1:32:54] in order to protect their cities. [1:32:57] I believe West Point was having this same discussion. [1:33:00] You think you're ready to vote? [1:33:01] with carbon pipeline. [1:33:02] [inaudible] [1:33:03] All right. [1:33:04] Um [1:33:06] Council members, unless you have anything else to say, anybody in the audience? [1:33:10] Are y'all good? [1:33:11] Okay. [1:33:12] Um, [1:33:13] then it sounds like council is ready to vote because you are basically going [1:33:17] to tell the Planning and Zoning Commission that you're in favor of them continuing [1:33:21] Absolutely. [1:33:22] with their with the plan to do the ET. [1:33:29] Dug's terms. [1:33:32] Okay? [1:33:33] Justina. [1:33:35] Council member Yager. [1:33:36] Yes. [1:33:37] Roller? [1:33:37] Yes. [1:33:38] Emmit? [1:33:39] Yes. [1:33:40] Sparrow? [1:33:41] Yes. [1:33:42] Tili? [1:33:43] Yes. [1:33:44] All right, Lara. [1:33:47] Okay. Well, Council, thank you tonight for a lot of good discussion. [1:33:51] Um, I think it's important. I think it means a lot to planning and zoning to have these discussions to kind of [1:33:55] get them in a direction of where to go. [1:33:59] And we'll continue, um, modifying and working on this and working in [1:34:03] between with legal to make sure we're getting the direction that we want to go. [1:34:07] So just a few things. Monday next week is Labor Day. We will be closed and [1:34:10] um for the holiday. [1:34:13] Um, we have a something unusual we're doing. We never shut down being able to do our transactions online or our [1:34:17] finance department taking, um, permit fun, you know, payments for permit, [1:34:22] payment for water bill. [1:34:26] But we are doing a software upgrade, we're going cloud-based with our [1:34:30] accounting software. This has been a big deal that we've been kind of working on for a while. [1:34:34] And with that, from 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th, we will not be [1:34:38] able to do any online transactions, and we will not also take any cash [1:34:42] transactions or check transactions, any transactions inside City Hall. [1:34:48] We're just going to say all day on September 9th. [1:34:52] The drop-off box is available in the alleyway if someone wants to make a payment. [1:34:56] But we'll be open, we'll be doing business. [1:34:58] we're just not operating the [1:35:01] finance section of taking cash for the day. [1:35:02] Or credit cards or anything. [1:35:04] Um, with that, um, then we'll [1:35:06] get to uh September 11th, uh [1:35:08] which will be the 25th anniversary of 9/11. [1:35:11] Um, the fire department, police department and city [1:35:14] is working together with [1:35:16] altogether to put together a ceremony [1:35:19] at 7:35 AM on [1:35:21] uh Friday, September 11th [1:35:25] at the current fire station. [1:35:27] So we invite the public to come for that. [1:35:29] We'll have promotions out here [1:35:31] within the next day for that. [1:35:33] um ceremony in honor of the 25 um anniversary of that [1:35:36] event. [1:35:38] Um, I do want to give a kudos out to our staff and [1:35:41] many staff that are not here but that are [1:35:44] and a lot of them have been [1:35:46] working towards our Rodeo that's coming up. [1:35:49] in a week. [1:35:50] And there's a lot of prep work. [1:35:52] Um, we start probably close to a month ahead of time. [1:35:55] and then during the event, [1:35:57] we have a lot of emergency management [1:35:59] involved. I know our police department works lots of hours. [1:36:02] I know we have fire there. [1:36:04] And we also have our staff picking up trash [1:36:06] in the campground and everywhere else [1:36:07] to make this work. [1:36:08] And so this is a big, big deal in our community, and [1:36:11] the city contributes a lot of manpower to that event. [1:36:16] So I kudos them all for making sure for Madison [1:36:18] looks good during that time. [1:36:21] Um, that is all I have this evening. [1:36:24] All right. [1:36:25] speak up. [1:36:26] Yeah. Oh my goodness. [1:36:27] You all have a really long night, [1:36:29] so I'm going to give you guys a nice story. [1:36:31] Oh my gosh. [1:36:32] Uh, two, two really exciting things. [1:36:34] One, I'd like to actually give a shout out to Sean. [1:36:37] Um, had a great opportunity to work with him on a grant. [1:36:41] Um, him and I put in a lot of work. [1:36:44] He did most of the writing. He did a really good job [1:36:46] and we ended up getting, I believe it was $42,000 [1:36:48] for the county [1:36:51] on a criminal interdiction grant [1:36:53] for stolen items, burglaries. [1:36:55] So, uh, pretty excited. [1:36:57] Uh, that starts here relatively soon, so, [1:36:58] uh, I wanted to tell him thank you formally because he put [1:37:01] a lot of work into it, so I'm really excited. [1:37:03] Uh, and it's always nice when we collaborate [1:37:05] with other agencies. [1:37:06] Yes. [1:37:07] Um, one last one. Uh, one of my officers who couldn't [1:37:09] be here because he's working a lot of overtime, [1:37:12] we are short staffed. [1:37:15] Uh, did something pretty awesome this week [1:37:16] and I got to get of a letter of accommodation [1:37:18] for him. [1:37:20] Um, there was an elderly lady who her house was egged [1:37:22] by some juveniles. [1:37:24] Uh, the officer had taken the report and then [1:37:26] on his day off, [1:37:28] took his own personal power washer and washed [1:37:30] her house. [1:37:32] Um, and that is everything that I look for as a leader [1:37:35] is that we're making impact in the community and [1:37:38] my people are willing to sacrifice their own personal [1:37:40] time for those that are in this community. [1:37:42] So. [1:37:43] Pretty proud of him. [1:37:44] Yes. [1:37:45] Well, thank you for sharing and no, I did not get [1:37:47] a chance to ask you if you had anything. [1:37:48] I should ask staff, was there anything else this evening? [1:37:53] You okay, Chad? You okay? [1:37:54] Okay. [1:37:56] I'll see you for next time. [1:37:57] Okay. Do we have any change orders you're going to talk [1:37:59] about before they get on the agenda? [1:38:01] No. [1:38:02] Very briefly in light of the earlier proclamation, [1:38:04] the library does have rotating collections at both [1:38:06] uh, Gury Valley Place and Burwood. [1:38:10] Oh, okay. [1:38:11] Sarah, since since I did ask is there anything, [1:38:13] do you want to talk about find your Fort Madison? [1:38:18] Sure. [1:38:19] You you might as well. [1:38:20] You go so we can hear you [1:38:22] and if we have viewers at home. [1:38:26] So we're starting a program next week at the library [1:38:29] called Find Your Fort Madison, [1:38:30] where we're going to highlight local uh businesses, events, [1:38:33] uh groups that are people in the community may not know of. [1:38:37] We're starting off with Hinterland Dairy next to [1:38:39] uh, yes, next Tuesday. [1:38:41] Um, and then we're going to have Swed coffee in October. [1:38:45] I'm going to try and get um, the Shafer Museum [1:38:47] in November and kind of, I've got a list [1:38:49] I'm working my way through [1:38:51] for the upcoming year. [1:38:53] Um, so if you know of a business or group that would [1:38:56] enjoy being featured, have them reach out to me. [1:38:58] I'm I'm wide open to bring people in and uh see [1:39:00] what we can do to [1:39:03] just kind of get people to know what's going on [1:39:05] and it starts at 6. [1:39:07] Yes. [1:39:08] Yep. [1:39:09] Awesome. [1:39:10] Is it like a presentation of those businesses? [1:39:12] Yes. [1:39:13] Yeah. [1:39:14] And in the case of places that deal in food, we're trying [1:39:16] to bring in samples. So, [1:39:17] So, and I may see if [1:39:19] may we may do like if I can get sha [1:39:21] and we may work with [1:39:22] them to maybe do a door prize for a shaver pin, [1:39:24] that sort of thing. [1:39:27] So, we're going to try to have little fun little giveaways. [1:39:30] Thank you. You appreciate that. [1:39:31] for adult program. [1:39:33] Okay, I think staff is good this evening. [1:39:35] Um, our legal Dan is um, already off to go finish [1:39:38] seeing the rest of his son's little football game. [1:39:43] Mhm. And hats all catching some big fish, so. [1:39:46] Oh, no problem. [1:39:48] So now we move on to the council communications and [1:39:50] mayor announcements. [1:39:51] So Jerry, we're going to start with you down there. [1:39:53] Hey guys, tell you. [1:39:55] Right now. [1:39:56] Vested. [1:39:57] No. [1:39:58] It's waiting enough. [1:39:59] Angela. [1:40:00] can't [1:40:02] [laughter] Okay, I'm gonna follow suit [1:40:04] and nothing here either. [1:40:06] So, 7078 PM, the meeting is journed. [1:40:09] [laughter] [1:40:13] on and on and on [1:40:14] because you [1:40:15] You said A.A. [1:40:16] [laughter] [1:40:17] I'm so sorry. [1:40:18] You should have just You should just on and on