[0:21] >> Okay, [0:21] >> we're going to call the [0:24] meeting to order. Dana [0:25] Slippery chair of the city of [0:26] Fort Myers, Economic [0:29] Development Advisory board [0:31] Thursday, SEPTEMBER 3rd, it is [0:32] 2 o'clock. Let's start with [0:41] the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:49] >> 2 states of America. One [0:50] under GOD there justice for [0:56] all? [0:57] >> Clerk can we get a roll [0:58] call. [1:01] >> Chair Lamb freight here. [1:03] Vice chair board for member [1:05] probably Remember Clark here, [1:07] board member Miller, PRESIDENT [1:09] Board member parents are. [1:10] Board member to tiny [1:15] PRESIDENT. Board member Maxon [1:17] remember a dire. Economic [1:18] development. Director [1:22] Weathers. And City attorney. [1:25] Today. That's all got. Thank [1:28] We've got a quorum. [1:34] We're going we're going to [1:34] open the floor for public [1:37] comment and [1:42] >> how are you So? [1:43] >> We're going to close the [1:47] floor for public seeing none. [1:48] Everybody chance to review the [1:49] meeting minutes of last [1:51] meeting. Can I get a motion to [1:57] approve? [1:58] >> second set all in favor. So [2:04] moved. I'm going jump ahead on [2:05] the agenda to the board member [2:08] and chair comments. And I [2:09] added something I'm gonna move [2:12] that up the agenda to [2:17] presentations. I like the [2:23] group to come on up. This is a [2:25] group that the I am a part of. [2:29] And full disclosure. I think [2:30] many of you know, I've been [2:31] involved with art So Davis Art [2:37] Center for how long the oven, [2:40] 15 years, 16 years, 50 years [2:41] long time. And I I am [2:46] immediate past chair and board [2:47] meetings throughout the years. [2:49] We've talked about. Creating [2:57] Ys and alliance some of the [2:58] other arts and culture [3:01] organizations in the city of [3:02] Fort Myers. So we actually put [3:05] together a meeting. We met and [3:08] I think we're we're gonna [3:10] continue to meet collaborate. [3:12] And so invited the group to [3:16] come speak. On behalf of that [3:21] collaborative group today and [3:23] they will be presenting in [3:24] OCTOBER to city Council as [3:31] well. So without further meta [3:33] and maybe maybe everybody can [3:34] introduce themselves. Yeah, [3:37] met Johnson. The [3:37] >> ceo and PRESIDENT Of the I [3:42] Make History and Science [3:43] >> Evan the PRESIDENT And ceo [3:44] of the Sidney and Berne Davis [3:48] Art Center. [3:49] >> Volz, executive director, [3:53] ceo of Alliance for the Arts. [3:55] And in the audience we have [3:56] Greg Fullerton who is a board [3:57] member. I'm ag who helped help [3:58] us coordinate our first [4:00] meeting as well. [4:06] >> It's all the more you know. [4:08] >> It was. We appreciate the [4:10] the Army come good to see some [4:12] familiar faces. But about 10 [4:14] years since I was a sitting [4:15] over there as part of board, [4:16] that and that I believe you [4:17] all on the board jerriann a [4:18] part of that back in the day. [4:23] But we work very closely with [4:24] our arts and culture partners [4:28] for for many years. And have [4:29] been talking recently about [4:34] how we can that partnership to [4:37] do more. Not only for our own [4:38] organizations, but for the [4:41] role we play in the city has a [4:42] as the major attractions, the [4:46] art and culture in this area. [4:47] And so we represent only 3 of [4:51] the We have 7 in total that [4:53] will ultimately be working [4:54] with focusing on those [4:54] organizations that within the [4:59] city of Fort Myers. With [5:00] possibility of some point [5:00] expanding out even to county's [5:03] office, Florida. But we're [5:05] starting here in Fort Myers [5:07] and city and formalizing some [5:08] of relationships. The [5:12] conversations we've had over [5:13] the past. And so if you look [5:16] at on that are history and [5:17] science center, the lives of [5:17] the Arts Sittingbourne Dave's [5:20] Arts and case. A major center, [5:22] the Edison Ford Winter States, [5:24] Lee County, back society and [5:27] the Florida Repertory are 7 [5:32] target groups to 2 for ms that [5:33] our goals for this are to look [5:36] at opportunities. Words, [5:37] organizations, we can use our [5:40] collective 2 be more effective [5:42] and efficient in the way we [5:45] operate. But also number to be [5:49] better at promoting putting [5:49] out what the city has to the [5:54] city of Fort Myers. You know, [5:55] were by us. But by far, I [5:56] think has the strongest arts [5:59] culture and history [6:01] organizations and all of Lee [6:02] County in Southwest Florida. [6:03] If you look at the museums, [6:05] the art center's the culture, [6:06] the history we have here in [6:08] the we are the leaders in [6:09] southwest Florida in that and [6:11] we want that see that continue [6:12] to grow. And while our [6:14] informal partial partnerships [6:16] over the years have been [6:17] strong, we is form a [6:18] partnership is one that we can [6:20] really do a lot more. We're [6:21] excited to hear from Dennis [6:24] that there's an economic [6:25] development plan process and [6:29] we want to make sure we were [6:32] We want to be a part of that. [6:32] We want to want to help with [6:35] that and make sure that our [6:36] culture history vibrant. Part [6:37] of that because it is such an [6:39] important part of economic [6:39] development. People move here [6:43] because the quality of life, [6:44] well, we live things to do [6:47] things to be with her family [6:48] arts culture. And that's why [6:49] you want to move ultimately is [6:52] to have that quality life. You [6:53] want your employees to have a [6:54] quality life when choosing [6:58] where the movie business. And [6:58] so we want to be a part of [7:01] that I'm gonna turn it over to [7:05] Parker to talk a bit more. [7:08] >> Yes, so this is really just [7:09] a kind of informal [7:10] introduction in discussion [7:13] around this idea. We believe [7:13] that it's Byron r it's [7:15] important to bring it to you [7:16] all because as Matt was [7:17] saying, it is such an [7:19] important economic driver, [7:21] arts and culture. As I know [7:22] you might have already heard [7:25] from Lions or somebody with [7:26] the ap. 6 study is a huge [7:29] impact in our area [7:30] economically. And so we think [7:32] it's important to really [7:34] include you in our discussions [7:37] so we can continue sit to [7:38] support a vibrant economy here [7:40] in Fort Myers, both for the [7:43] visitors and residents alike. [7:44] >> when you explain what that [7:47] study is, first. [7:49] >> I'm so ap 6, if you aren't [7:50] familiar with the acronym [7:53] stands for Arts and Economic [7:55] Prosperity. 6 is the number is [7:57] the 6 study in the series. [7:57] It's a nationwide study that [7:58] is conducted by the Americans [8:00] for the Arts. [8:03] >> Partners with local arts [8:04] organizations actually the [8:07] most recent administrator or [8:08] actually be administrator for [8:09] all of studies locally has [8:11] been the alliance for the [8:14] Arts. What that study does is [8:15] it contacts partners with in [8:17] the community and our study is [8:21] a little bit unique because we [8:22] had a full Lee County report [8:23] and then we had a specific [8:23] report for the city of Fort [8:27] Myers. So we contact all of [8:30] those partners. We get their [8:31] organizational information and [8:33] financials that that data that [8:34] goes into into the study and [8:37] then it also surveys all of [8:38] the attendees that will take [8:41] part in the survey over a [8:44] course of time. And so [8:46] determines whether attendees [8:48] are residents or visitors, how [8:48] much they're spending where [8:51] they're spending things. And [8:52] so from that study, we have [8:55] learned the past year as we [8:56] all might be able to tell you, [9:00] too. The results were probably [9:01] a little bit skewed because it [9:02] was a 2022 year, which as you [9:06] MAY be. Where was a very [9:07] difficult year for Fort Myers. [9:09] I'm so all of our survey [9:11] results were a little bit [9:13] skewed, but even with that [9:16] study, we found out that arts [9:17] and culture isn't over [9:19] 135 million dollar a year [9:24] industry here in Fort Myers. [9:25] And that's with this cute [9:28] numbers. So really want to [9:29] talk about a little bit more [9:30] of the concrete things that [9:35] we're starting to think about [9:36] >> Thank you, Devin. Thank [9:36] you, Matt. And really want to [9:38] thank everybody here and now [9:39] how much time you put in and [9:41] this is such a important topic [9:44] for the city for a region for [9:44] our families. So I really [9:49] appreciate the put to this [9:50] committee. But these guys said [9:51] they stole everything. I was [9:55] going to say so be super know [9:57] that investments and art and [9:58] culture and history have a [9:58] real economic impact here with [10:02] in Fort Myers. It also impacts [10:03] our health that, you know, we [10:05] have a partnership with [10:06] Community Co-operative. We're [10:08] bringing art into communities [10:09] in which you can tangibly see [10:12] improvements in people's lives [10:12] across the board. We know [10:15] that's true in our schools. [10:16] But the one thing I would love [10:20] to just share is that we 7 [10:20] organizations that U.S. Have a [10:21] practical commitment to each [10:22] other because we do have to [10:26] run organizations haven't you. [10:28] And so we're looking at places [10:29] where our collaboration can [10:30] help our bottom lines and [10:31] therefore help collectively, [10:33] you know, things like a city [10:35] pass. You know, they work in [10:36] Miami. There were concerns so [10:37] that they work all across the [10:37] country where you coordinate [10:40] and collaborate around [10:42] marketing because the truth is [10:43] if we can get somebody into [10:44] alliance for the arts are more [10:44] likely to come to city burned [10:48] calusa, you know, I'm where [10:50] our team was with the team [10:53] this Monday with r r retreat. [10:54] So we really taking this [10:56] collaboration things [10:58] seriously. But but we also [10:59] know that that could lead into [11:02] other areas around shared [11:04] services camps, education, [11:05] like I think that there's [11:06] there's there could be some [11:07] efficiencies that that could [11:08] be gained in terms of [11:09] collaborating collaboratively, [11:12] trying to put some sort of [11:13] programming together because [11:14] we know on a one to one basis [11:17] that if somebody goes to imax [11:18] camp and then they come to [11:20] ours, those students are [11:23] having more vibrant experience [11:24] that their families are better [11:26] kind collective summer or for [11:27] sport period of time. Whenever [11:29] those camps are happening. So [11:30] those are the kind of [11:31] practical steps that were [11:31] already start to take. But we [11:32] know that we need to partner [11:35] with the city. We need to have [11:36] these kind of conversations [11:37] were open to just listening [11:38] and learning and would love to [11:39] be able to fit in because we [11:42] think we can add value to what [11:43] you all are again. Just want [11:43] to say thanks for everything [11:45] that you and set up now. [11:50] >> it's awesome. [11:52] >> We just so you all know [11:52] Steve Weathers was at the [11:54] first meeting as well. And [11:57] Steve will be ongoing part, [11:58] you know, to to help [12:02] communicate the city. What [12:03] what questions do you all [12:04] have? We? We thought it would [12:06] be a good opportunity for this [12:09] group to come kind of a [12:10] warm-up before they present to [12:13] council. So what what [12:18] questions do you Go first? If [12:24] anyone out there governor, is [12:24] that what you engine, Griff, [12:25] that on huge fan has actually [12:29] Mike. I when I first got that, [12:29] donated my colleague [12:31] collection. That was the first [12:32] donations for the city. And [12:36] for So that out there. But I [12:38] think we should think big. I [12:38] mean, I was talking to an [12:39] wreck to have a meeting with [12:42] the mayor about let's, for [12:42] instance, you know, but the [12:45] innovative you follow that. So [12:47] think about the innovative [12:48] walk where it's going. And I [12:49] think it's great plan. Some of [12:52] it I think, unrealistic. That [12:53] said it's a really great, you [12:53] know, that's part of that's [12:56] doing all the meetings. But [12:59] you look look Ford, the states [13:00] and you look at the land [13:01] that's near there. There's [13:04] still 2 acres of vacant land. [13:04] We're used to have the parking [13:06] a familiar with with the left, [13:09] ok? So why not something I've [13:11] always said to Jim, we need [13:11] that big, you know, safety [13:14] that the Dali Museum. We need [13:16] that think that we need have [13:18] that big, whether it's an art [13:18] Museum for performance Arts, [13:21] for things like that. I mean, [13:22] I think we're big enough. And [13:23] then you mentioned all the [13:27] art, you know. I walked out [13:28] everything. We got to [13:31] capitalize it. We are great. [13:32] In arts. And I just think we [13:34] should think towards something [13:37] bigger scale. So he that up [13:37] presentation and maybe we can [13:40] ask him to present that [13:41] presentation specifically for [13:44] that piece of And you know [13:47] what kind of funding sources [13:48] through donations or whatever. [13:48] I think we're missing Fort [13:51] Myers that big use. And yes, [13:54] we like to have a big stadium [13:55] Midtown. That's a whole other [13:59] animal. But you're the arts in [14:00] Fort Myers. Just I was walking [14:01] my dog, Iran and its someone. [14:02] Kaylyn a little gardens park a [14:07] little long. Beauty salon [14:08] there and just find all these [14:09] things apart that's going on. [14:13] Never even heard of. And I [14:13] mean, live near the law So [14:17] much going on. And this is [14:17] perfect timing because you're [14:18] kind of crystallizing all [14:20] that. And they have kind of [14:21] one voice get behind something [14:26] like a. Than you for [14:27] terrorists. And I mean, look, [14:29] Sarasota, you got the the [14:29] moat. They've done them in [14:31] their thinking big. I just [14:33] feel like we need to think big [14:35] but they thank you for. For [14:38] for this and, you know, moving [14:41] this forward on the full [14:44] support, know for me. Yeah. I [14:46] think part of this, too, is, [14:50] you know, the economic [14:52] development plan that working [14:53] towards that potentially. We [14:54] will. We will highlight what's [14:55] important to us. [15:00] >> As a group to council. [15:01] Talked about arts and culture [15:02] being really, really [15:07] important. In that plan and [15:09] economic viability culture [15:14] science to to the bottom The [15:15] other piece that we talked [15:18] about in our meeting was. You [15:19] know, this whole ad valorem [15:22] thing we were pretty sure we [15:30] know it's going to happen. You [15:30] know what? What is an [15:31] essential service want is a [15:33] non essential service. All [15:37] right. And so, you know, where [15:38] old arts and culture fall into [15:42] that and so as a collaborative [15:45] group we can now advocate as [15:47] one to make sure that, you [15:48] know, the arts and culture and [15:52] science. Harm of our economy [15:54] is protected. You're referring [15:57] to where we chucks as one of [16:00] our top ones. That's right. [16:01] Because tourism, heritage, [16:01] tourism and cultural [16:02] attractions. That's right. [16:03] That was thanking consensus [16:06] top. [16:07] >> So I it's important for [16:13] this group as well. And I know [16:14] Devin Year you represent the [16:17] art and culture Board for the [16:20] Rising Council. And I am now [16:23] one of your new board members. [16:24] >> Yes, so I think that we're [16:27] starting to really see this [16:28] sentiment crystallized in both [16:32] the county and the city that [16:32] arts and culture. It isn't [16:33] just an afterthought. It's a [16:36] huge portion of what makes a [16:38] city successful both [16:41] culturally socially [16:42] economically. So the prize in [16:45] council has recently formed [16:45] and arts and Culture [16:46] committee. It just started in [16:47] JANUARY. I'm the chair of it. [16:50] We'll is on it. Matt, you're [16:54] coming to our OCTOBER 7th [16:57] thing. Doing a networking [16:59] event on OCTOBER 7th. That's [17:01] to connect arts and culture [17:03] organizations. 2 businesses [17:08] for board leadership and [17:08] community membership and [17:09] strategic partnerships and the [17:12] community because we don't see [17:15] these as different silos. We [17:15] see them as part of the same [17:17] fabric that really makes a [17:19] successful community. So [17:21] that's where where looking to [17:22] kind of grow those things. [17:24] We're also looking to [17:26] hopefully be included in [17:27] discussions like strategic [17:30] planning to see how arts [17:35] culture attractions and [17:36] different assets factor into [17:37] that. So I that's where we're [17:38] seeing a lot of those [17:42] sentiments crystallize. So. [17:43] >> That in developments, is [17:46] there a that new development? [17:54] Coming to the city as the pay. [17:57] Back in the day. That's been [17:58] quite a few years. And do [17:58] that, I don't even elected [18:01] that when they're supposed to [18:01] be clear. [18:02] >> So that was one of those. [18:03] The development coming to city [18:07] council him. We do want to say [18:08] that not I think very little [18:09] was ever collected on on that. [18:10] But as far as funding sources [18:13] in grants and going through [18:17] topic, you Donations. The what [18:19] are some of the funding [18:20] sources for some of these [18:23] projects? What would easy you [18:25] can go after for the state [18:26] ERs. When you have someone [18:27] specifically for grants [18:31] looking at that. Grant was one [18:32] of the things that was brought [18:33] up in the meeting we'll talk [18:36] about your services. You know, [18:38] we all go out to grants. We [18:39] all have either dedicated [18:40] staff ourselves on weekends or [18:41] the other grant writers for [18:45] organizations and we tend to [18:45] go after the same We didn't go [18:47] out to the same sponsors. [18:51] There's a small group I felt [18:51] all the people in the [18:52] community that see in every [18:53] event to see that they're also [18:56] all the same board's meeting. [18:57] What we have 2 people here [18:58] that are sitting on multiple [19:01] awards ands. And so what we [19:04] want to see and that is, you [19:05] know, 3 people going to the [19:07] same person asking for small [19:09] amounts is actually harder. [19:12] Ask 3 people together as a [19:13] group coordinated going in for [19:18] a out talk about thinking big [19:19] that if we're all asking for a [19:19] little peace is that's all [19:21] we're getting. But [19:23] collectively, we could ask for [19:24] a larger pieces that have [19:25] bigger impact and have larger [19:29] impact on the community. [19:30] Whether that be through a [19:30] grant, a a local individual [19:32] sponsorship. [19:35] >> get to [19:36] >> Appreciate the question. [19:39] And I love what you were just [19:41] So think it's important know [19:41] that many of us operate like [19:42] as a community organization, [19:45] but also as the social [19:49] enterprise as as a business, [19:50] right, that we're putting [19:51] products together in order for [19:53] people to pay to participate [19:55] in that. So we want to [19:56] bringing people here because [19:58] we have great product, right? [20:01] Or that we have great art and [20:01] culture and history. We want [20:03] to make sure that we prosper [20:04] in the marketplace and that's [20:05] why we they're here before [20:09] this particular committee and [20:10] to talk about how can we best [20:12] do that? Because that's also [20:13] part of what we're seeing. And [20:15] I know that the Lions [20:17] perspective, you know, we're [20:17] going year for of no money [20:18] from the state which used to [20:22] be a big funder for a lot of [20:22] The pieces that are supposed [20:25] to help collaborate at the [20:26] local level. So we definitely [20:29] have a mindset of like we need [20:31] to see. How can we generate [20:33] wealth that can go back into [20:35] the programming a way that, [20:36] you know, really healthy for [20:37] the community. And one thing I [20:38] I back in the day without pay, [20:40] we started the Fort Myers home [20:42] office and it's kind of [20:43] language that was in the cra [20:45] and it's kind of floating [20:46] around. And I think the film [20:46] is important when whenever [20:49] extend the film festival. [20:50] >> I was part of that money [20:51] does short film festival. [20:52] There's some opportunity maybe [20:54] to do something else. I'm in a [20:55] a Peter Kelly. He's a [20:56] filmmaker that's at the [20:59] Collaboratory really talented [21:00] and he would be willing to [21:01] step up, maybe and maybe [21:02] office could be run through [21:04] their kids. I think maybe the [21:06] city underestimates the [21:07] trickle down economically [21:11] effect of So I'm I'm not sure [21:12] how that's fits to the scheme, [21:16] the parts, but it's film part [21:16] of that. [21:17] >> Over envelope of aircraft [21:22] part of our group. Okay, we [21:22] thank you. [21:23] >> Which is and I can speak [21:24] for me as a citizen now for a [21:27] second because I. [21:28] >> I know I've talked a lot of [21:29] folks in the city where it's [21:30] like if you just look at the [21:31] numbers of what Saint Pete did [21:34] with the Dali Museum right? If [21:34] you talk about massive [21:35] investment, right, 30 [21:39] 35 million up front last year. [21:41] It created 280 million dollars [21:43] in economic impact. So you are [21:45] talking about a wealth creator [21:45] red. It isn't just a pipeline [21:47] of tax dollars continually [21:51] going somewhere is like you're [21:52] we could create something that [21:54] brings people in wealth that [21:56] then allows our community. And [21:56] that's not the huge is [21:59] building in the world. Knowing [21:59] Museum. [22:00] >> And we we could pull that [22:06] off here. Still I would say [22:09] to, you know, you you talk. [22:12] >> Man about shared services. [22:16] We talked you know, the so the [22:17] Amber Davis, our town, or [22:18] we're rolling out medical [22:22] benefits. We're we're just [22:23] exploring all that now for the [22:26] first time right? And so, you [22:28] know, some of the other groups [22:30] of this, you know, [22:31] collaboration already have [22:35] medical we can kind of share [22:39] that information. And you [22:39] know, maybe save yourself some [22:42] money and time and effort. [22:45] Exporting these things. The [22:47] other part of it that I think [22:49] is really, really important is [22:53] exposure and marketing. [22:56] >> You know how many how many [22:58] of you here been to the or [22:58] Davis or tenant in the [23:03] building? So not not all. Not [23:07] everyone right or the [23:11] Imaginarium for the Alliance [23:17] going when when we when we get [23:19] new people in to the art [23:21] center and it's probably the [23:25] same with with you. People are [23:27] like, wow, this place is [23:29] amazing. We didn't even know [23:30] this was here for a play. We [23:33] drove by it or we walk Visalia [23:36] Times in what great resource. [23:40] So if we can share marketing. [23:42] And exposure, you know, maybe [23:44] we can drive people to help [23:46] support our various regions. [23:47] Ation. I think that's hugely [23:51] important. Especially with the [23:52] advent of ai, you can do a lot [23:54] of outreach and things of that [23:55] nature. I was studying that [23:57] all the ways for. [23:59] >> Very low cost. You can use [24:01] it to, you promote. We create [24:08] things. Friend. That stuff. [24:11] >> doing everything I So one [24:13] of one of the weather here one [24:13] of things that we talked about [24:20] was rotation of, you know, [24:21] getting far various forms [24:26] together from Organizations [24:29] and hosting like a reception [24:30] each. [24:32] >> Then you MAY be quarterly [24:33] or whatever we end up deciding [24:37] to do getting all the board [24:38] members there. So there can be [24:39] crossed collaboration. There [24:43] as well. You know, like like [24:48] you said. You know, there's [24:49] several people that involved [24:53] in boards and maybe multiple [24:53] war. They all should know each [24:59] other. Tried. That just [24:59] brain-damaged try to get [25:06] everyone coordinated. [25:07] >> I would love that. I mean, [25:08] I would like to hear from me [25:12] because he's got a lot. You [25:15] what I love the idea myself. [25:16] >> about 5, 6, years ago, I [25:17] went to the county [25:21] administrator city Mayor. And [25:21] others because I've heard [25:28] that. Hearst people back with [25:30] One of the major things [25:31] reasons they gave for leaving [25:32] was cultural. There was no [25:33] cultural events and [25:34] activities. [25:37] >> I lost my personal doctor. [25:38] Because his kids got out of [25:41] school. He moved and one of [25:43] the reason told me from his [25:44] mouth, my ears is there's no [25:47] coach like hear from me one [25:48] where I can connect with black [25:49] culture and said they enjoyed [25:53] it. Share that with the city [25:54] manager John Talmage in the [25:55] rest of the folks back then [25:58] and then plus, well, last when [26:00] the kind of a history says And [26:01] we're trying to build coach [26:05] Wilson. That's the only one [26:06] there that was there then. So [26:07] I don't know if you remember, [26:08] but we wouldn't calls and that [26:10] we were out and talk to the [26:11] different people gym that [26:14] meant, although. To [26:16] collaborate together because [26:17] if nothing else, the [26:18] programming for that marketing [26:21] for that would be excellent. [26:22] At the time. So it was the [26:25] city manager. And he said this [26:26] would make a group starting [26:30] point. For a map of all the [26:32] different places going east. I [26:37] mean, going west on Martin, go [26:38] from backed the cultural [26:44] center? A McCollum hall across [26:47] the street to the Madison [26:47] area. That was heart thing [26:48] going on in the red brick [26:49] building. But they've since [26:54] moved correct Marcus. And [26:56] yeah, find But the idea was to [26:57] do it map of all the difficult [26:58] activities and senators and [27:02] community. Back then. So I [27:05] think it is. I never sent. I [27:05] think it's always a of leaving [27:09] collaboration. Everything I do [27:10] is a better collaboration and [27:11] working together like-minded [27:16] folks. For us to do a close. [27:16] And we definitely going to [27:17] have to have it because of the [27:21] program this necessary. So the [27:22] coastal cent you need to [27:23] partner than all the reasons [27:26] to make that work. And report [27:28] about the universities and [27:29] schools. I didn't hear been [27:35] apart of this. Also. Well, [27:36] they literally that they're [27:37] actually going to be a part of [27:37] it and a programming what we [27:39] what we do [27:41] >> you know, as far as this [27:45] collaboration getting started? [27:48] You know, I think the first [27:50] point was to get all these [27:53] CEOs and for chairs engaged. I [27:57] think that what you said, I've [27:58] been a long time, We've seen [28:00] things start, stop, start and [28:01] stop. You know, I think you [28:05] make a good point. There were [28:06] we are in a position now a [28:07] stronger position as a as a [28:11] region as a city to be able to [28:13] things But we want to make [28:13] sure that there's full buy-in [28:16] from the organizations. [28:16] Becomes part of the [28:19] organization's culture. First [28:23] and that absolutely the school [28:24] district needs to be a part of [28:26] this. And how can can they get [28:27] involved we work with him to [28:29] get more were kids to come out [28:31] too, to our centers and you [28:31] have get the university to get [28:33] mobile more volunteer kids [28:34] from the university coming [28:35] out, working at our at our [28:36] centers. And those are things [28:40] so absolutely that's that's [28:41] something that we want to be a [28:41] part of I think the first [28:45] step, though, is we want this [28:46] to be part of institutional [28:48] culture for all of our [28:49] institutions, from our our [28:52] governance down saying this is [28:53] going to the something this [28:55] important part of our priority [28:56] so that it's not something [29:00] that just kind of. It's a good [29:01] idea. And then nothing comes [29:02] of is because we have seen [29:09] that for sure. I think I [29:10] >> each of our organizations [29:13] have some involvement with the [29:14] school, the collectively I [29:15] think we we could have a lot [29:19] bigger. [29:21] >> maybe not talking about. I [29:21] know we want the kids public [29:22] schools, students involved, [29:27] but I were talking about the [29:27] departments Arts and Sciences [29:28] leadership, the educator of [29:32] the one looked 8, their [29:33] engagement at level because [29:34] would be good people to have [29:35] discussions about availability [29:42] enough crews. If I want to [29:43] know do is present. I go to [29:44] the streets makers rather than [29:47] try figure out. Itself as know [29:52] that I could. But I'd rather [29:53] somebody that knows exactly [29:54] what the roads like to travel. [29:58] So that basically all of us on [30:02] meeting 2, I think those [30:02] people be valuable if nothing [30:04] else that you have an advisory [30:06] group, make put them all [30:07] together and that that's not a [30:11] bad idea But appreciate the [30:12] notion and appreciate what [30:13] you're doing. And I don't mind [30:13] doing whatever I can to [30:18] assist. Heard mentioned he's [30:22] so is child the part of [30:23] discussion or yeah, we had [30:23] additional meeting and we [30:28] reached [30:31] >> Florida rep and Black [30:32] History Society we're gonna [30:34] find when you first got [30:35] together of all the reached [30:41] out get him next [30:44] >> Questions comments. Do you [30:48] have a meeting? [30:51] >> So right now where I'm [30:53] getting together about [30:54] monthly, it's it's been a [30:55] fairly loose. Just had our [30:59] first meeting in AUGUST. Yeah. [31:00] Was it Yeah, I don't know what [31:02] month it is exactly I know we [31:03] just had our first meeting in [31:04] AUGUST and so are our [31:05] SEPTEMBER meeting will be [31:08] coming up and then well, [31:10] hopefully be presenting to the [31:10] city some time in OCTOBER just [31:13] continuing to really [31:13] strengthen those ties connect [31:17] with each other more often. [31:18] >> Yeah, I think interested [31:21] getting involved in sense. I [31:24] think idea of pass fantastic [31:28] because most people coming to. [31:29] Fort Myers. Don't know about [31:32] all the different facilities [31:33] and this will automatically [31:35] when you fly past, you know. [31:36] And that will bring business [31:41] to [31:41] >> Yes, a proof concept in [31:47] one. We we Any other comments [31:51] for the group. [31:51] >> Maybe we can have that [31:52] group back like every quarter [31:57] for. What do suggest with them [31:58] you? I think our you know our [32:01] goal. Our next goal is to [32:02] start creating some [32:03] deliverables for the first one [32:04] of these is going to be a [32:05] shared pass it. MAY not be the [32:07] full suit past year. [32:07] >> Our goal for that is to [32:11] come season one of those. But [32:13] we're looking at an offseason, [32:15] keep opportunity that at least [32:16] get people to come in to get a [32:17] discount another that to try [32:20] to get those multiple [32:20] visitation. So, yeah, we would [32:22] love to come back as some of [32:22] these deliverables coming [32:23] about and share that with. [32:28] It's a great And I did. I did [32:28] have a conversation with John [32:32] Talmage. [32:33] >> Kind of an e-mail back and [32:34] forth I think he loves the [32:38] idea. Where this is going. I [32:41] think that's the I talked to [32:43] John about tax. Okay. So the [32:44] backpacks goes to the [32:45] advertising. Why can't we [32:46] capture some of the bed tax to [32:47] go to some projects? Maybe [32:55] this is one of them. [32:56] >> having those which is big, [32:59] too, at the county I think we [32:59] can get the county [33:01] commissioners on board with. [33:02] >> Carving out a little for [33:04] whether it's the Black History [33:06] Museum or projects are some [33:08] fun. I mean, I just because a [33:09] lot of money that that those [33:10] hotels are generating and [33:11] those are the people that are [33:12] benefiting that are coming [33:15] into town. [33:17] >> a part one of the things [33:20] that ap 6 mentioned is. [33:24] Visitors are actually larger [33:24] economic drivers, even though [33:25] they're smaller part of the [33:26] market, they're spending a lot [33:28] more because they're staying [33:29] and and they have to eat out [33:32] every meal any of those [33:33] things. So when they're coming [33:37] to a cultural destination r r [33:37] and event. They're having a [33:40] large economic impact when [33:41] they're here, even though it's [33:42] only like 24% of our audience [33:45] right now. I'm looking at 23. [33:49] Somewhere. 23. 24 yet but huge [33:51] drivers. And so we've already [33:54] seen other communities making [33:56] capital investment in arts and [33:58] culture and facilities and [33:59] it's paying off. So maybe it's [34:00] time for Lee County to really [34:03] capitalize on that. [34:05] >> I think, you know, [34:07] mentioning ai that. Bore let [34:07] me show a 60nd ai piece I did [34:12] on Fort Myers. And I made it [34:14] half an hour an hour with [34:15] Adobe Firefly. And it's just [34:15] amazing. But this, too, out [34:18] there. I got in that program [34:19] and you get a location to [34:21] created this beautiful city [34:23] map of all are the case. And [34:23] so there's tools we can use [34:24] that would have to pay [34:28] thousands dollars. You know, [34:28] to get some deliverables out [34:29] there. There's like play Sarah [34:31] Dot a I mean, there's some [34:33] amazing things that are [34:35] happening mind blowing. But of [34:40] course, you know, that's [34:40] focus. You know, you in that [34:44] can help meeting. [34:49] >> And rising numbers I know [34:53] fellows that men you know, you [34:53] can have a meeting with them. [34:57] Talk about this. Yeah, yeah, [35:00] have to do of this and we've [35:02] asked not to come here and pop [35:06] for [35:09] >> any other comments for the [35:11] group but lost safe any news [35:16] someone wants to [35:17] >> lawn kind of like, you [35:18] know, more engagement. What is [35:22] the best way to do that? Doing [35:23] other stuff? You know, as any [35:28] news, you know. [35:29] >> So right now it's been very [35:33] individual. What we're hoping [35:34] to grow out of this [35:36] partnership is a more [35:36] concerted effort where people [35:38] can kind of come to one place [35:39] and learn more about all of [35:41] the different offerings [35:41] because right now you have to [35:46] search each individually and [35:49] so we'd like to see that [35:50] communication, expand it so [35:51] people can know all of the [35:51] different assets that are here [35:55] in Fort Myers. Instead of [35:56] having just Google. What is [35:58] there to do, you know, and and [35:59] hoping that we show up in a [36:01] search, we want to really be [36:04] proactive and get behind that [36:06] >> So what might be your ideal [36:07] customer? That's what I was [36:08] kind of like. You know, that's [36:08] a If I'm looking for [36:13] something. Would be ideal [36:15] customer home like to go off [36:16] there? [36:17] >> Well, I think that's the [36:18] amazing thing about when you [36:19] do arts culture, history and [36:24] science. Everyone Some of us [36:25] are probably more family [36:26] oriented our largest customer. [36:29] We would consider to be [36:31] families. We do a lot of a lot [36:35] more kids some other take the [36:37] U.S. And Florida They have a [36:40] much larger Taurus market that [36:41] comes older crowd more than [36:44] some of the others. The art [36:45] you know, each one has a very [36:51] different audience. [36:52] Collectively. If we can share [36:54] those different audiences, [36:55] none of us are exclusive to [36:57] audience. We are not for kids. [37:00] You know, we are museum for [37:01] anyone that's interested in [37:03] and created creativity, [37:07] exploration and learning. And [37:11] so collectively we reach it. [37:13] Everyone from from the [37:14] youngest to the oldest and the [37:17] newest to the, you know, [37:18] multigenerational families of [37:22] year. [37:23] >> If I could just with that, [37:24] if I could just add to that, I [37:25] think one thing for us. That's [37:26] also we we know and we [37:27] instinctively can operate with [37:31] is that we're 7 different [37:33] organizations trying to create [37:34] incentive systems that could [37:35] help all of Right. And so [37:36] that's that's where we see [37:40] this partnership is like that. [37:41] I've hard enough time keeping [37:43] up with what alliance got [37:44] going on. Sometimes you've got [37:45] 4 or 5 things. Same day [37:47] theater, people outside. We've [37:49] got market at right? Kind of [37:51] ok, I need to be aware of what [37:53] everyone else is doing. So I [37:54] think where we're trying to [37:57] get to collectively are those [38:00] value ads where we can operate [38:03] collectively and in particular [38:04] around Fort Myers, around [38:06] marketing around these kind of [38:07] shared services where there's [38:08] just really is a value add [38:09] that we don't have to change [38:10] the way we do things [38:12] fundamentally to be a part of [38:13] the group. So I think it's [38:14] important to know that all of [38:16] us have to wear our day hats [38:19] when we when work in this [38:20] collaboration or don't work, I [38:21] can't come I need to come into [38:22] like does this work for [38:22] alliance for the Arts? That's [38:25] what I do. And I think what [38:26] we've seen quickly and why [38:28] we're so excited about it is [38:30] there are areas that overlap [38:30] that really make sense. And [38:36] Alice point, we can watch with [38:39] somebody I I see a weekly [38:40] podcast. [38:40] >> For the like You guys to do [38:44] weekly artistic and seen like [38:45] my wife hope on this one [38:45] podcast. I thought they were [38:47] like done by gas. But they're [38:50] big. I could what matters are [38:55] That's a great idea. And [39:00] >> And then people like so no, [39:06] we would love do that. I you [39:14] have face the according Yes. [39:17] >> right, Charlie? Any other [39:21] comments for the group? [39:23] >> Thank Thank. Thank you for [39:26] being Great presentation. Look [39:29] forward to to the group [39:30] presenting Council moving this [39:35] whole thing forward. Just What [39:40] are we supposed to be just we [39:40] just wanted them to share what [39:44] what they're doing. [39:50] >> The idea is it will pour. [39:51] They go present to Probably a [39:51] little more formal [39:57] presentation. [39:59] >> Well, doors down have that [40:00] take with them with the [40:02] county. Be somebody talk to [40:02] him. Somebody. They talked to [40:04] you before they go. Yeah, we [40:09] do [40:14] >> Yeah, I I think that that [40:16] come here. If we want do [40:23] something me, always ones new [40:23] that you make the only you [40:26] want to make the motion. I [40:27] make a motion support the [40:32] moves. [40:34] >> we to move on forward. We [40:39] believe in [40:40] >> Okay. Excellent. And I get [40:41] a second second second. Okay. [40:46] All in favor. I so moved. We [40:47] got our support deep voice [40:49] over. Here's the There's [40:53] somebody on this [40:54] >> And [40:56] >> if you get these folks home [40:57] and they thank you all the for [41:01] all of us from [41:05] >> And that's the and So so [41:07] just one last comment, OCTOBER [41:09] is arts and culture month. [41:14] >> So this is apropos so, you [41:15] know, hopefully we'll be able [41:16] to present to council and tie [41:20] it all together. So thank. [41:21] Thank you all for being Really [41:31] appreciate Thank you. [41:32] >> Sure. [41:35] >> and ball, whoever. I think [41:36] it would be important you have [41:40] a point his commute forward. [41:41] That you mentioned your [41:42] feelings about on some closure [41:46] for a community. Not the [41:51] city's job to do it, but is is [41:52] their responsibility. It's for [41:54] to to send thing that's [41:55] important to community and [41:57] what helps. And I think arts [41:59] and culture a very important [42:00] factor. We lost a lot of [42:04] people because of lack of [42:05] questions. Young folks on left [42:07] this community because lack [42:09] arts and culture that they can [42:14] relate to. Represent every [42:17] mask and then improvement On [42:21] this board. [42:25] >> And I'm not even going But [42:25] that's the point I'm making. [42:26] The point is we are so diverse [42:29] here. But we Get, know, back [42:32] in the groove. This is what I [42:34] was doing, that I was a [42:37] target. I really I started [42:38] last year put together because [42:41] of clothing downtown. It had [42:43] gotten so big adventures. I [42:44] had to stop because I want to [42:48] do it in MARCH. And got so [42:51] much interest that was too [42:52] nascar equity to have ready to [42:55] be done in MARCH. I have [42:57] requested to cement the city, [42:57] the mayor's committee for the [43:02] 200 50th anniversary. To look [43:03] at maybe a corporate unload [43:04] what they were doing for 4th [43:05] of JULY and they didn't want [43:08] to do that. They endorsed the [43:09] idea of program plan the [43:11] event. But they do want to do [43:15] it the same time. Celebration [43:17] to a 50 year anniversary which [43:22] that we could get into for me. [43:24] So we supposed to be meeting [43:25] now starting a meeting now and [43:30] I don't know. It's still a lot [43:31] of people would be a part of [43:33] it worked and it is pretty [43:34] big. So I'm working through. [43:35] John Talmage is office and his [43:42] people. We're going give a [43:43] shot see what happens. But [43:45] where the venue looking at the [43:45] ampitheater air, you know, [43:50] we've got all of them bigger, [43:50] huge and that is focused more [43:54] all about now and what I'm [43:56] asking the group to do have [43:57] just paid is to exhibit food, [44:02] clothing, music. So MAY be [44:05] this group. They could be part [44:06] of that put together was. So [44:07] you got a lot of resources [44:11] there. Yes. So that's where it [44:18] is now. Just talk. Steele I'm [44:20] just a lot of work. Put [44:22] everybody table. We get we [44:23] working on. So we have a [44:24] question for you think we [44:25] should really look at when [44:26] they had requirement for [44:29] projects put certain feet to [44:34] arts where they. What Matt [44:36] mentioned, that. I what not? [44:37] And find that when I [44:37] development 15 years ago, [44:45] there was a prt that you are [44:46] required really put it you and [44:46] we used to it. Yeah, I know. [44:50] But this you look at that. [44:51] That too much bring them and [44:56] you know, is not I have no [45:00] problem with arts I oppose [45:01] some of the other thing that [45:07] reported. They want see. But I [45:08] don't see that being a [45:10] problem. If you vote if you're [45:14] going do something me and he [45:14] does will be a blessing, not [45:15] just see go away with I think [45:17] need to do I think anybody [45:22] does ap the in that's a big [45:24] development is not just about [45:25] put her You're really doing [45:27] thankful. If you're going to [45:30] reap rewards here. You need to [45:31] plan that invest in this [45:33] community is you come. Is not [45:37] a one-way street. And the city [45:41] need to realize that call it [45:44] was not only our fee, they had [45:47] it. Police finally by car. [45:48] Yes, that done by hand for the [45:53] city, to help. It's called [45:54] You're going increase pressure [45:56] and affordable housing was is [45:59] there 3 home, going get had [46:00] these fees that if you go to [46:02] best and if you need to know [46:06] is that so so what's the next [46:08] step for that? Is question? [46:10] First is a question. Is they [46:10] doing it? I think the city I [46:13] used to get so upset because [46:14] believe the city added to [46:14] that. We didn't give to them. [46:17] They wouldn't come. And I'm [46:20] whole going world. Was. [46:20] They're coming week. All [46:25] right? Well, you know, was [46:26] here. They know Gophers here. [46:27] They know the levees are so [46:32] they want to come give away [46:32] everything because somebody [46:33] didn't just to get into the [46:34] building. That MAY out of was [46:38] killing a person. Is and I [46:40] think they should pay. It was [46:41] really, really fat when they [46:41] build and develop. Well, [46:43] remember, George present the [46:43] laces a very nice the nation [46:47] of the Sunnybrook Davis. Other [46:49] developers that so who do we? [46:51] What's the next step to relook [46:52] at that? That a big business [46:52] community development [46:56] department so from my [46:57] perspective, as we build work [46:58] through this economic [47:03] development plan. These are [47:06] some of micro things that [47:08] build in to the right for [47:09] parade. That might be [47:10] aspirational. But we we try to [47:12] incorporate it in there. [47:16] >> Maybe let the bed tax. I [47:19] you know, very well And you [47:24] That's the leave the city. And [47:26] I wanted to say that then hand [47:27] over the long We have no hope [47:27] We had what, 5 or 6 outs out [47:31] and stuff like that. [47:31] >> But now it's a different [47:32] story we have. We have the [47:35] bills here now. Stuff like [47:36] that and really want talk [47:39] about every in bees. That's [47:40] another subject that can be [47:48] moving it home But 11% own. So [47:48] the point I made and I told [47:49] him, I said the city deserves [47:50] a permanent peace. That is how [47:51] is going to take. This is all [47:56] the time. It is not. Well, my [47:56] suggestion would John Tomic [47:58] recommend it as a person in [47:59] the office. [48:00] >> To speak to about it and we [48:00] can either have her come and [48:05] talk to us so we can go back, [48:07] you know, talk personally [48:08] about this, matter of a judge [48:11] the element you want on I [48:14] think is really out less than [48:15] penny. Tamara, to to ball. I [48:18] think it's a good idea that [48:20] Iran and the Emmys welcome to [48:21] come back any time. So when we [48:25] put on DECEMBER gender [48:27] something John Thomas and we [48:29] did talk it's great to have [48:33] endorsement. Well, he's not [48:34] someone do it now and he [48:35] suggested someone I have a [48:36] rate down maybe that's the [48:39] first want to go in there with [48:41] yeah. Explore that. I that. [48:51] What are they using? 2? Yeah, [48:52] I think one of the to rule is [48:56] that here are. Yes and no. I [48:56] think this opportunity now [48:59] that there's a lot more hotels [49:04] I mean, you know, what JetBlue [49:07] park, they should spread that [49:07] thing. [49:10] >> You know, when room for [49:10] maneuver know what they that [49:13] is also a row here for. [49:14] Baseball MAY you know, right? [49:17] Where was 2 of the person that [49:22] love with it. All right. Well, [49:24] that point we have yet. Okay. [49:25] So all right. Let's move on [49:29] the agenda. Thank you all for. [49:35] >> Participating and listening [49:36] making suggestions and calm. [49:37] They a ring and bring that [49:39] here. What we've been taught. [49:44] I mean. Literally think I [49:45] mean, for years we've been [49:49] talking about collaborating [49:49] and we've tried to get [49:50] together as a group in the [49:56] past. Greg, who was sitting in [49:57] audience, Greg and I worked [49:58] together and he's on 2 of [50:01] those boards. On the one. I [50:02] great. Let's you and I get [50:07] this done. And so circle the [50:09] wagons and we had a great [50:11] conversation. And about 2005? [50:17] >> is So, but I mean, I think [50:18] it now has a really, really [50:23] good time to have that this [50:24] could other gridlock and Phil [50:24] hitter and he's a big player [50:25] what they're doing over there. [50:28] That's part of this. [50:29] >> I argue delivery Ling is [50:30] all boats rise with the tide, [50:35] right? We're all kind of in a [50:40] similar situation you know. [50:41] Potentially are all at asset [50:44] the city. There should [50:47] collaboration. Like it's a [50:53] long journey. Anyway, thank [50:54] Let's move on to staff [50:58] comments. [51:01] >> All right. So that the what [51:04] updates we have you know, [51:04] Steve and I we have been [51:08] working together wonderfully. [51:08] Really don't have much [51:11] comments to provide that. [51:12] There's no the mountain [51:15] comments on my hand. Can we [51:16] can we ask you questions and [51:17] you MAY ask me any question, [51:18] okay. [51:20] >> So what are we what we all [51:22] have you have questions [51:26] updates on. Some of the bill [51:28] about the budget. [51:29] >> I saw the preliminary [51:31] budget. [51:32] >> We are getting what we [51:36] wanted. [51:37] >> What we need. So this [51:38] fiscal year 2026 and at the [51:40] end of the month, we're [51:41] putting. [51:42] >> The rest of our [51:42] professional development [51:46] budget. And to our master plan [51:46] this upcoming fiscal year, [51:51] 2027 will have enough funding [51:51] fairly generation. So have [51:52] about $50,000 in the budget [51:57] for that. So whatever. We [51:58] learn from this master plan, [51:59] we're going to take that. And [52:00] then we're going to hire a [52:00] consultant for economic [52:03] development for regeneration. [52:04] Than that, it's just the [52:06] basics. Office supplies like [52:08] marketing. We did receive a [52:11] 22,000 $500 Grant from the [52:13] visitor Convention for the [52:14] Culinary District. So we do [52:17] have that funding set aside. [52:20] Long-form video production and [52:21] then the city will be [52:22] contributing $10,000 for [52:23] marketing to Florida Weekly [52:26] for that. [52:28] >> Where are we with overall [52:33] budget? City hasn't been [52:34] approved yet. Understand. How [52:35] are the how are they working [52:35] it in light of potentially [52:39] they have a lot. [52:43] >> It's But again, we got [52:43] everything we needed. It's an [52:43] increase from last year. So we [52:44] will be okay. Yeah, our [52:46] department will be. [52:48] >> And I know there was a [52:48] commitment not to cut [52:53] essential services. So I can [52:54] speak on that. I'm not really [52:56] up to date on that. I know for [52:57] our department what we asked [53:03] for we received. We've got put [53:07] him to shame because of that. [53:07] >> We [53:11] >> hit you Where are they [53:15] making cuts know? [53:16] >> don't. I don't know. [53:17] Steve's been attending all of [53:18] the budget workshops. I've [53:21] been a just background stuff. [53:22] And then I'm gonna couple [53:24] classes organization this week [53:26] next week, actually, the next [53:28] 2 haven't really been in the [53:29] budget discussions and all are [53:30] then putting together our [53:33] department budget. Thank you [53:33] know, I can give you an update [53:34] on the master plan so we did [53:36] receive Ozel for about [53:37] $44,000. That's going to go to [53:42] the city Council. [53:42] >> Probably. [53:43] >> I'm not represent media on [53:44] Monday or if it will be the [53:45] next meeting after that, that [53:46] means to get approved. So we [53:48] can spend we have in our this [53:52] week of 2026 budget. So that [53:53] will be a line item for city [53:54] Council. Coming up and that [53:55] will make sure that we have a [53:59] master plan. [54:00] >> And that's where we will [54:02] help contribute to. The idea [54:06] is yeah. There you have any [54:09] update on budget. [54:12] >> really. I just know that, [54:13] you know, with what's going on [54:14] with the amendment with homes [54:14] that in the city's shortfall [54:15] in the budget, they're going [54:19] to be cutting. And what's the [54:21] first to go with the items to [54:22] cut its going be probably [54:25] cultural items. So I think [54:26] everyone kind of want to wait [54:29] and see period with it's kind [54:30] of like 100 of reason why put [54:33] this group together. Yeah, [54:36] was. And I mean, just thinking [54:37] like maybe they won't be able [54:38] to budget some of the things [54:39] they plan on the marketing, [54:40] the business retention. I did [54:45] some research. I again, I pray [54:47] today for Caitlin, you know, [54:51] using ai 3 simple specs, the [54:52] steps, the district downtown. [54:53] And there's some tools. [54:54] Everyone mentions this place [54:57] or that Ai Weiwei You've [54:57] probably heard happening [54:58] surrounding ice. Frank [54:58] Spencer. [55:00] >> Yeah, I printed the lower [55:04] class ones you. If you want [55:05] look at I think I mean, worry? [55:07] We don't have any money in the [55:08] for this upcoming fiscal year [55:08] for software. Is that [55:10] something that we just can't? [55:11] We can't justify right now. We [55:14] can usually counties so where [55:15] that we can also use Cape [55:16] Coral software. I didn't know [55:18] that that's good. So we have [55:19] something specific. That's [55:21] what I asked me like this [55:23] plus. Portions are like things [55:26] of that nature placed on ai. [55:27] That's what Cape Coral Lee [55:30] County has one of the GIs [55:33] modeling. There's a couple [55:34] different things like cost of [55:35] in Cape Coral says that can [55:36] use so you can use the place [55:38] where ai a call has that. It's [55:46] just were just friends. [55:48] >> that road when it work. Do [55:55] >> We know know that I work [55:56] comment. I wanted to me to you [55:57] know, hard part of reason why [55:59] were they have this group is? [56:09] >> Is. I want first? [56:15] >> 4 that forced they thought [56:16] it was a great idea to because [56:19] felt like we did. Really good [56:22] ideas from good feedback. It [56:26] be a good. The good sounding [56:28] board for. They present [56:37] before. I think it went well. [56:37] >> So one of the team, what I [56:38] kind of like, you know, try to [56:44] extract was like, you know, [56:45] they're like collaborative and [56:46] other stuff that I mean do. [56:50] Pulled the customer who would [56:52] be like 9 to a state on right. [56:53] And that's what I was trying [56:54] to pull them to see what might [56:58] be ideal customer. Let's like, [57:01] you it found in MAY it [57:04] business state. Our focus more [57:04] on thank you know who those [57:05] search and that such [57:08] antibodies and other stuff. If [57:10] like, you being my piece close [57:11] him, then I would be focusing [57:12] on more like, you know, [57:17] Facebook. All right. They say [57:18] from doing some tended make [57:19] note the suit has and other [57:23] stuff that I would go for like [57:23] TikTok. But instead so [57:25] basically few normal, who is [57:26] ideal customer, then you can. [57:31] Hard to try it. Those [57:32] channels. Yeah, I just [57:35] actually that's know we have [57:35] that problem and it in [57:36] custody. But if you're 50 [57:39] question custom want. If your [57:42] aspect to find them from like, [57:43] you know who rta than your [57:45] focus should be like, you [57:46] know, let's get that SEALs [57:50] such document edition. [57:52] Whatever the need for chat up [57:57] days then focus of a stop to [57:57] that making social impact [58:00] yeah, that's a great Organic [58:01] marketing. I mean, I posed to [58:02] just Eastwood country club [58:05] like bunch of drone pictures. [58:07] >> And the amount of hits like [58:08] I are like line blowing I [58:08] think millions hits voters [58:13] just that posting photos. [58:13] >> And we don't have enough [58:14] downtown. Doesn't even have an [58:17] now that you have software [58:17] that can create apps. So you [58:20] have to that's something we [58:21] should do. These guys should [58:21] have a north. You know, they [58:23] used to have one, but it kind [58:28] of faded away, but anyways, [58:29] well, one more thing on [58:29] marketing. So that's something [58:30] that our department is working [58:31] hard on for the Culinary [58:33] District we'll set aside most [58:34] of our marketing budget for [58:37] the one a district. So this [58:40] month, Florida Weekly just [58:41] their businesses of [58:42] distinction in the corner [58:43] district is listed so you can [58:44] go in there for you all the [58:45] questions. Steve answer all [58:47] those which is great. And then [58:48] we have a reoccurring added to [58:50] 4 th quarter to quarter page [58:52] every week in the Florida [58:57] Weekly. We also online ads and [58:58] 2 more e-mail blast coming up. [58:59] That will cover 32,000 people. [59:03] Each email blast just to bring [59:04] people downtown. The farmers [59:06] market will be expanding on [59:08] OCTOBER 3rd. So we're going [59:09] from about 35 to 40 vendors to [59:12] about 70 to 80 vendors, which [59:14] is Yeah, and we're going to [59:16] look at expanding down her [59:16] street. So right now are [59:18] between Monroe and Broadway. [59:19] But now we're going to look at [59:23] going from Monroe to Hendry. [59:23] Down Broadway, which we're [59:25] still going right now. But and [59:28] then also down street. So [59:29] instead of just sending a [59:30] Broadway, it's going all the [59:32] way injury. Well, the fact [59:33] that you're able to get [59:35] through the summer, I think [59:36] that's possible. [59:38] >> Yes, Present and Jeanne and [59:39] Betsy from local roads are [59:40] extremely impressed with [59:41] everything that's been going [59:42] at the farmers market. I mean, [59:42] I still go down. Yeah, it's [59:47] great. [59:51] >> Any update on news press. [59:52] >> I know Joe was in with the [59:54] city manager last week just to [59:56] talk about the news Steve and [59:58] I were in that meeting now. I [1:00:00] she printed 3. You can pass [1:00:01] them around. [1:00:02] >> That's what this is. The [1:00:02] master plan for that. But i [1:00:08] would recommend. That we [1:00:11] reckon we have just what we [1:00:12] have. Joe, if we can invite [1:00:13] open air out for whatever, [1:00:14] what do you think? NOVEMBER [1:00:18] DECEMBER? You know, I he is [1:00:19] captain pointing out. We want [1:00:20] to see these projects a lot [1:00:21] more. That's why next month we [1:00:24] can get him. Well, I think we [1:00:28] have next month. We have [1:00:29] >> The overhaul. Talk about [1:00:30] that a little. We talked about [1:00:32] the Dover Kohl plan for the [1:00:34] hospital. So I reached out him [1:00:35] really very well thought out [1:00:39] platter. And he's up to [1:00:43] schedule for next ok? He is. [1:00:45] Also the show them from the [1:00:48] cra wants to give an update on [1:00:50] the innovation. So those [1:00:51] chance only for the next month [1:00:53] so. Let's go to NOVEMBER. Then [1:00:56] for Joe, narrative that okay, [1:00:58] One thing on Joe, I will say. [1:01:01] And Marty, Stephen, we met [1:01:03] last week with a few of the [1:01:04] city leadership. He is looking [1:01:06] for more opportunities to [1:01:06] unlock Midtown, whether it be [1:01:09] events or, you know, private [1:01:11] organizations or even public [1:01:11] organizations using the [1:01:14] montage Midtown for special [1:01:15] events. You'd be able to work [1:01:16] with pricing if not to be pro [1:01:19] bono, just to get people down [1:01:19] there. It we put traffic in [1:01:24] the area. Yeah. When you talk [1:01:26] about that for Porter that I [1:01:29] know that he's working on. [1:01:32] What we need to love these. [1:01:33] And then he said if the issue [1:01:38] with the Reverend. You know [1:01:39] where they are with I don't [1:01:44] know. I think you. Hugely [1:01:47] important project. The news [1:01:47] press because at one time [1:01:49] Midtown to downtown, it's a [1:01:52] really important. Location. [1:01:55] From a development standpoint [1:02:00] and yeah, I I wouldn't want do [1:02:03] here and just. Giving us [1:02:07] giving him our support. And I [1:02:08] think that would be good. I [1:02:10] think would be good for him as [1:02:12] well. So Steve and I were also [1:02:13] on a development. It's called [1:02:14] the Development Finance task [1:02:16] horses through the Horizon [1:02:18] Foundation. So we need I think [1:02:19] it's every first Tuesday of [1:02:21] the month or if it's Armenians [1:02:22] every second Tuesday of the [1:02:24] month with Lee County. Then [1:02:26] select stakeholders in the [1:02:28] area. So something him and I [1:02:31] are working with. Believe it's [1:02:32] the chair incidents like not [1:02:34] at incentives package, but an [1:02:36] outline of what incentives are [1:02:38] available. Regionally that [1:02:39] way. We can just have [1:02:40] something for all the [1:02:40] stakeholders, really county [1:02:41] for Cape Coral for us this. We [1:02:43] want to hand off to someone [1:02:49] little bit collaborative. I [1:02:51] like that outreach telling [1:02:52] with the county on some of [1:02:53] these make the cake all you [1:02:56] mentioned. That's [1:02:59] >> Yeah. Hasn't always now. [1:03:01] >> any movement on the Other [1:03:06] than [1:03:07] >> the last thing I saw that [1:03:08] one out was Congress wants to [1:03:11] be had sent a letter to. Army [1:03:12] Corps of Engineers asking for [1:03:15] support. And last I heard was [1:03:15] that the Army Corps of [1:03:16] Engineers sent a letter to [1:03:18] some tax that said we are [1:03:19] reviewing will give you a [1:03:21] letter when we can. But it's [1:03:22] good that we got a letter. I [1:03:23] think it's close. [1:03:26] >> I look on their portal. [1:03:30] >> they said it was, quote, [1:03:39] and said, I don't know I know [1:03:40] the whole states the project [1:03:41] anything maybe we can find out [1:03:44] what's going on there. [1:03:44] >> They gave that project the [1:03:47] year. Did some someone venue [1:03:49] there and you heard anything. [1:03:51] I have not heard any updates [1:03:52] and I haven't either, but I [1:04:00] can write that. [1:04:01] >> Will be quiet day. I want [1:04:02] to be top Most say some. The [1:04:08] car. I don't know. My brother [1:04:12] that and and a rocket too. [1:04:12] >> you to mention the to say [1:04:17] something. [1:04:22] >> This finding them. And this [1:04:23] you all see the development [1:04:27] piece they on news? It talked [1:04:29] the talk about on a lot of the [1:04:32] new development projects, the [1:04:33] multibillion-dollar zw the [1:04:34] mayor and talked about the [1:04:34] project. Yeah. And then they [1:04:35] highlighted the bunch of [1:04:35] different [1:04:41] >> projects and it was and [1:04:44] haven't seen it. It's really, [1:04:45] really good. [1:04:47] >> You know something. We just [1:04:47] Fort Myers got one of the [1:04:49] number one ranking, something [1:04:52] Forgot what that was. But I [1:04:56] want look at now. One of those [1:04:56] top urban places to move [1:05:02] people retire. It was pretty. [1:05:02] 7 about. I didn't remember [1:05:03] seeing something couple weeks [1:05:05] ago. I came out. I can find [1:05:09] her one last update for me. So [1:05:10] in partnership with the [1:05:10] Southwest Florida Enterprise [1:05:12] Center, myself and Martin [1:05:14] Bird. We're hosting a city of [1:05:15] Fort Myers Business [1:05:16] Roundtable. This is going to [1:05:17] be on SEPTEMBER 23rd from 9 to [1:05:21] 11:00am. Invited about 40 [1:05:22] different stakeholders in the [1:05:22] area just to discuss what's [1:05:25] going well in the city. What [1:05:25] resources are available and [1:05:28] then what we can improve on. [1:05:29] It's more city focus. It's not [1:05:29] regional, but we are inviting [1:05:31] our regional partners. [1:05:35] Business owners. People from [1:05:37] fgcu Fsw have accepted. [1:05:41] Oftentimes people. Said taking [1:05:42] place. That's going to be at [1:05:44] the Southwest Florida [1:05:45] Enterprise Center, SEPTEMBER [1:05:46] 23rd from 9 to 11 and you're [1:05:47] all invited. We'll have [1:05:58] breakfast available. You know, [1:05:59] Keep up the good work. Thanks, [1:06:05] Terry. Great job. So yeah, the [1:06:06] next meeting with that, I'll [1:06:07] be out NOVEMBER DECEMBER and [1:06:13] JANUARY. When you baby. [1:06:17] >> big bills you look at like [1:06:22] you, but really draft. Okay, [1:06:24] can grow to few more months. [1:06:27] So regulations. Thank you. [1:06:28] >> They're doing a baby shower [1:06:30] for me on OCTOBER 9. [1:06:31] >> One Ps in City Hall. So if [1:06:35] you it's come saying Aye. No [1:06:39] stress. When was that OCTOBER [1:06:45] 09:01pm. [1:06:47] >> let's forget about my [1:06:51] birthday week from today. You [1:06:56] know, not not happen, but I [1:06:56] will say this I know I'm [1:06:57] always pushing the button on [1:07:01] certain things. [1:07:03] >> don't believe in for our [1:07:04] organization. Community advise [1:07:06] you to be affected. And a [1:07:10] purpose here. We have to be in [1:07:11] the pecking order like just [1:07:15] like the planning board. [1:07:16] Nothing goes to city council [1:07:17] go through the planning board [1:07:20] for you. And I know that [1:07:21] legislative they kind of have [1:07:26] to do that. There's no reason [1:07:26] for them to have to do with [1:07:32] this with I don't believe how [1:07:34] do you advise Packed after [1:07:35] they've already decided to do [1:07:36] a project. That is not the way [1:07:42] works. We need to be able and [1:07:44] staff. I know you are doing on [1:07:45] him. But John need to reviewed [1:07:46] before goes to city Council [1:07:53] for approval. And our is to [1:07:55] and make recommendations to [1:07:58] city Council. Well, 40 [1:08:00] project, not after they've [1:08:00] already awarded someone and [1:08:02] they are going to do it. It's [1:08:04] a wasted effort to do it that [1:08:11] way. I'm going to my [1:08:12] representative and I'm talking [1:08:15] to the mayor and talk to city [1:08:17] Myself about making sure that [1:08:17] that take place and it to [1:08:23] happen. By order to the city [1:08:25] council because we don't have [1:08:27] a federal grant regulation or [1:08:27] state regulations turning them [1:08:28] to do it. They the planning [1:08:33] board. But city can make it a [1:08:34] part of prerequisites in order [1:08:37] for project to be approved. [1:08:38] And I think we need to fight [1:08:43] for that. I think I'm talking [1:08:44] about a pie here. I think [1:08:45] everybody get if we want to [1:08:49] give goodbyes, we grew. Is our [1:08:51] job to review these projects [1:08:52] and give recommendations as [1:08:56] know, get 2 city councilmen. [1:08:57] They make their decision [1:08:59] ratify or not. The project or [1:09:03] not. You plan. They put their [1:09:04] with it just like the planning [1:09:06] board to put. [1:09:07] >> I agree. And I think we've [1:09:08] heard you and time we're [1:09:12] getting better. I mean, this. [1:09:16] This you one thing many people [1:09:17] they over call. We're getting [1:09:18] one of the first update, is [1:09:19] it? If you want question with [1:09:25] go out for pd. It's going to [1:09:27] not. I think hasn't point [1:09:28] hasn't yet what I'm trying to [1:09:29] get as is, where makes the [1:09:30] actual difference and the [1:09:31] project has not forward. If we [1:09:34] don't get that when it goes [1:09:38] with purchasing, put out an or [1:09:38] somebody bring in development [1:09:41] request to the city of Fort [1:09:42] Myers. Minute the community [1:09:42] development department get [1:09:47] that it puts up a process. [1:09:48] They do it every views and [1:09:49] everything, but also use that [1:09:52] to the planning board [1:09:55] dependent ratified does ratify [1:09:56] whatever plan change we need [1:09:58] to be with the planning board [1:09:59] we get to review and make [1:09:59] recommendation is that they [1:10:01] get better as we committed. [1:10:03] >> On that budget to the city [1:10:04] council. So when making a [1:10:05] decision to either do it or [1:10:09] not, do it, they have all the [1:10:10] information that we provide as [1:10:12] what the planning board does. [1:10:16] And there was only codes for [1:10:18] on building. Great have done [1:10:20] that. We need to be in more. I [1:10:25] don't disagree. Lee, but [1:10:28] >> it's going to take us what [1:10:29] you said. Jumping up and down [1:10:31] immediately numbers that we do [1:10:32] appreciate happened at Bza to [1:10:34] keep things going. Didn't have [1:10:34] time. [1:10:36] >> On the larger projects, [1:10:38] we're not going how we talking [1:10:43] about is international? [1:10:46] Midtown yet for midtown job [1:10:48] North project present things [1:10:49] we need to see before they go [1:10:51] before council ratified and we [1:10:54] need to give them up would be [1:10:54] very thankful for You know, [1:11:00] the positive note. This is [1:11:01] okay. But we're concerned [1:11:02] about there's whatever that [1:11:02] might let them know what we [1:11:05] think. Is that a bad I would [1:11:06] agree, but it's incumbent upon [1:11:09] each one of us, too. If [1:11:10] there's something that we need [1:11:13] to take a look at to make sure [1:11:13] that we have them to the [1:11:16] agenda. We get them here. [1:11:17] >> So potentially we're going [1:11:19] to try to have Joe or come for [1:11:22] the news press. [1:11:23] >> If there's anything else [1:11:27] that you all see, recall Adam, [1:11:28] when we had one for next week. [1:11:28] Yeah, that's an important one. [1:11:34] You know. So anyway they did [1:11:34] on that. That would agree with [1:11:39] you, We're going to have to be [1:11:41] very diligent in making sure [1:11:43] that we see this stuff and [1:11:48] >> Stephen, talk about that [1:11:50] What's out there that's taking [1:11:52] shape that really needs to get [1:11:56] And they have best. [1:11:57] >> Although think will be [1:12:02] relevant if only I mean, look [1:12:03] at these projects make your [1:12:08] recommendation. Why are you [1:12:09] doing do? And we have presence [1:12:14] over call Well, no [1:12:15] accountability for tax breaks [1:12:16] things like that. We've talked [1:12:23] about. Steve. For a few years [1:12:26] and before that, we didn't [1:12:28] really have anybody that we We [1:12:31] have for a one. The right you [1:12:32] know, is no that's really [1:12:33] going that. [1:12:37] >> For What, 4, 5 years get a [1:12:40] city somebody and they used to [1:12:41] others that we recommend that [1:12:44] because we couldn't do it. We [1:12:45] also push for that part of [1:12:47] master plan update. We've done [1:12:48] some some think it's [1:12:51] well-known economic [1:12:52] development plan yeah, I mean, [1:12:54] we're we're making progress. [1:12:55] We are on the really big [1:12:57] picture things [1:12:58] >> You know, that's important. [1:13:00] So, Caitlin, just I found that [1:13:02] it was Florida Land, 19 city. [1:13:03] So we're number 20 in the [1:13:08] country of toppling pounds. [1:13:09] >> And it's basically said by [1:13:10] on they mention Palm Coast, [1:13:12] North Port Palm Bay in Fort [1:13:13] Myers, based on housing [1:13:15] workforce and that economic [1:13:16] growth. Those were the [1:13:20] criteria for this. Public [1:13:24] nations that send you the [1:13:25] we'll send it to think it's by [1:13:27] smartasset's top 75 pounds. [1:13:29] But everyone around the [1:13:29] country, it said that it is [1:13:34] the former's major. 20 Bill [1:13:35] Downs years to be better This [1:13:38] is the country I rated much [1:13:41] higher than that. [1:13:45] >> we one to, you know, we for [1:13:46] what category growth growth [1:13:49] and Development House all that [1:13:53] stuff. Well, take up 20 in the [1:13:53] country. That's not to to bit [1:13:55] better when we were what [1:13:56] think. Those close are they to [1:13:59] get them? I think part of [1:14:10] economy. [1:14:11] >> What my concern is, what [1:14:15] amendment 3 and the I was [1:14:16] going affect disabilities [1:14:16] board for 3 years. And I see [1:14:21] that it's very hard to. Get [1:14:24] things done with that. That's [1:14:25] abundance revenue coming We're [1:14:26] going to be having shortfalls [1:14:29] if this past. Much more [1:14:30] difficult it's going to be for [1:14:34] us actually move that the that [1:14:35] they questioned me. That's a [1:14:37] great for me. And I know they [1:14:38] just got a 2% for the first [1:14:39] series was going to next year [1:14:40] because of the forecast and [1:14:45] the losing the tax revenues us [1:14:45] one of my concerns city. I [1:14:48] didn't want to say that. You [1:14:52] know, but it's like reality is [1:14:54] will they know? Yeah, I think, [1:14:56] you know, everybody with [1:14:57] government or any government [1:14:58] where the fact the people vote [1:15:02] for that. [1:15:02] >> The impact that it's going [1:15:06] to have every. Service we [1:15:12] enjoy community. And I was 10 [1:15:14] and some people it. So you ok [1:15:14] where you will it will bring [1:15:21] trash. And take it to feel for [1:15:24] you when you got for them city [1:15:25] can no longer be ready if [1:15:27] asked to go. For you have to [1:15:34] pay for you Well, they charge, [1:15:38] you problem with the to what [1:15:40] regular services and the look [1:15:41] on that services that we [1:15:42] talked about losing if they [1:15:43] could. Fact, this is a night [1:15:44] game. Well, there could be [1:15:48] more fees. I mean. [1:15:49] >> Cape Coral, hr to rental [1:15:49] anyone rent a property. They [1:15:52] charge a yearly fee city of [1:15:53] Fort Myers doesn't do that. [1:15:54] Maybe they're going to have to [1:15:55] start that. And I don't want [1:15:57] to do that. I have Airbnb. But [1:16:00] if that's what it takes, you [1:16:01] know, to fill the gap a little [1:16:02] other ways, maybe the city's [1:16:05] can tighten up some of their [1:16:06] our contracts. We talked about [1:16:10] 3rd party. Companies to [1:16:12] consult to look at large [1:16:13] projects to see where they can [1:16:13] value engineer project because [1:16:16] I'm in that business. I'm [1:16:16] saying I don't believe all of [1:16:20] that hype about. Losing [1:16:21] everything. You services. That [1:16:24] is my opinion. In there. [1:16:29] People can serve as a writer. [1:16:29] I know already not. But is it [1:16:30] time think [1:16:34] >> That means in the hole. [1:16:34] That's without that. That is [1:16:36] without What what is it with [1:16:43] that? There's a range seen it. [1:16:43] The 20 million or something [1:16:46] that I'm [1:16:47] >> I thought so. Lee County [1:16:50] and for the county. It's [1:16:55] something like that. Think [1:17:01] issue. Need use follow It's [1:17:04] the only man saving, you back [1:17:13] you got Well, me go home. Are [1:17:16] jobs tax and can here Fort [1:17:16] Myers, everything that we have [1:17:17] way you pay and where want to [1:17:24] give and your taxes? And you [1:17:27] can avoid act is profit home [1:17:27] and would think [1:17:30] >> real life And I'm concerned [1:17:37] about lime mad But 280 people [1:17:43] being one. I worry that they [1:17:46] can't what we We regulate the [1:17:46] campaign ward and what they [1:17:51] regulate pay. You know, [1:17:51] federal government but as we [1:17:54] worked, but the point that and [1:17:57] it is I wasn't about that, the [1:18:00] bar those tables and companies [1:18:02] and then they go about it is. [1:18:07] And they came to obtain. Got [1:18:09] to a Greek isn't about and [1:18:10] they got how they want to [1:18:12] mention excessive. Gimme, [1:18:17] Gimme That. 100 Tents I didn't [1:18:18] like that in Israel. Oil. The [1:18:21] opening minutes. Trade. [1:18:21] >> for new members of this [1:18:25] group. [1:18:27] >> percentage of the workers [1:18:31] in the city of where death [1:18:34] veteran of force most of [1:18:35] >> just have be very, very [1:18:39] small percent. And a police do [1:18:47] it. It's for I do notice. [1:18:48] >> As you know, a lot of new [1:18:50] affordable housing projects. [1:18:53] Come up in the last 2 years. [1:19:05] PRESIDENT. Time army money. [1:19:05] We'll be looking at past [1:19:06] things and all that no paid [1:19:08] that on. Section a program [1:19:14] that. Section and that same [1:19:17] people we talked you know, [1:19:24] know. You call them that [1:19:25] because just hoping that get [1:19:27] stuff done. [1:19:28] >> If this thing passed go get [1:19:34] it. That the stuff that I've [1:19:34] over Well, think to your [1:19:44] point. Threw this out road I [1:19:45] >> Pretty sure it's going to [1:19:48] pass because people, you know, [1:19:53] the idea of not paying taxes [1:19:53] really. [1:19:54] >> it's exciting. And the side [1:19:57] of [1:20:03] >> they provide any examples. [1:20:10] You know how hero. [1:20:10] >> you know, and think this [1:20:11] Kyra trees down and they're [1:20:12] already planning that. [1:20:14] >> Prepare for that. Let's [1:20:15] remember the voters that [1:20:17] passed the general obligation [1:20:21] the part of that, raining [1:20:22] million dollars. And that [1:20:22] means they were. So that's [1:20:23] that's point out. Some of the [1:20:28] positives. For that sure. Will [1:20:29] hear. And doing Shady Oaks [1:20:33] Parton this, you know. [1:20:33] >> It is. Problem is there's [1:20:35] not nation. Cause effect this [1:20:42] and then a Then movement [1:20:44] community is. Mentioned, [1:20:47] everyone going The goats, it [1:20:51] was service human is going to [1:20:56] be because the same thing. So [1:20:57] could lead to a lot stuff that [1:21:07] people just not JULY. It [1:21:08] sounds great. I mean, hey, [1:21:09] listen, I don't paying safer [1:21:10] service. You know, I've heard [1:21:13] over and over essential [1:21:13] services will not get with a [1:21:14] with their with [1:21:18] >> Watch it. [1:21:21] >> you on way we can bring [1:21:24] back. [1:21:33] >> But as a series. For any [1:21:34] other comments. Anything else [1:21:37] for the good of you are? [1:21:45] Motion to adjourn. So? [1:21:46] >> Well, that's the with [1:21:46] overnight. Will didn't get [1:22:03] that. Thank you all.