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Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all. >> we are small but mighty

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tonight so the three of us will commence to have this meeting, roll call please? >> chairman hudson, commissioner

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broderick, commissioner johnson?

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>> present. >> we have a motion to excuse

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madame mayor, call the role please? >> commissioner gaines, commissioner johnson,

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commissioner broderick? >> yes, ma'am.

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>> the first item on the agenda, additions to deletions to agenda

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and approval of agenda? >> madame attorney, do we need

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to continue the item or pull it all together? >> yes, sir, I would like to pull this item, and we will

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reset that to a later date. >> okay, 8d as in david is

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pulled. >> I will make a motion to approve the agenda as printed with the removal of 8d.

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>> second. >> call the role please?

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>> commissioner gaines, commissioner johnson? >> yes, ma'am. >> now is the time for the

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public to make comments to the fpra, the podium is open, you

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will be given three minutes, please make your way to the front. Please state your name. >> [indiscernible] a couple

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questions on the amendment for the reinstatement, it has to do

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with the clause, can you address that or is that not a part of

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what you can do? >> if you can make your comments

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to the commission, we will receive that and at some point

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that will come up, but for now, that item has been pulled for the night. So please make your comments. >> I'm worried about the parking, and it is all being

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consumed by the construction people, the streets are full and the parking is full and when you get to work at 6:30, they are

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going to use up all the street parking because that is just how those guys are. So is the parking going to be in the back

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by the railroad tracks? Is that going to be developed into something or, where are the customers going to park?

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about, and the approved timelines that you have in the amendment, it all depends upon when you get started. So, 29,

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28, 25, when is the due date, when do we start with the

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timeline for getting the projects completed? The items

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haven't even been submitted yet, they are still working on

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them, right? >> thank you mr. Bodine. Who

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else would like to make a comment?

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>> good evening, michelle from main street, fort pierce, 120

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280 backus avenue, I just wanted to make a comment from main

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street on the presentation you will be seen on the square

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project. We've had the privilege of being consulted

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throughout the process by your fpra team, they have been very

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responsive, curious and inquisitive as well as the consultants in asking how this would impact friday fest as an

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event and also feedback from main street as an organization that is devoted to economic development of the downtown

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area. Just a couple quick notes, we are really excited about the kids area and splash pad, it expands to other generations and

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invites another aging community. Myself, when my kids were very

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young, used to make us drive all the way for those various amenities and we spent money there. It is very responsive to

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safety concerns for visitors and vendors, I'm sure you don't have to explain any further, any street event has its own set of

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concerns. This does maximize waterfront with swings and a

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deck that goes over the waterfront that isn't currently

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available. The additional public restrooms mean that we will no longer have to have portals which everybody can agree is an

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eyesore. And it does give friday fest to the opportunity to

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potentially be a rain or shine event. We are in contrast,

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looking forward to learning more about the sources for this

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project, I understand there is potential grant funding and this is what the cra is for, to fund these types of community

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projects and that money can't necessarily be utilized just anywhere, it has to go to these projects. So the lighting

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downtown or in the square will be very important, I understand

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that wasn't a part of this portion of the project but I want to be sure we voice our concerns, and in an ongoing way

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about the lighting because we produce evening events and it is a different structure. I know there are parking concerns and I

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hope there will be future solutions to address them. I

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would hope that the concerns about parking don't restrict a

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project of this magnitude from coming to fruition. We are at the precipice of potentially growing or in some cases,

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withering. Maybe that is a little bit dramatic but we see this as an opportunity for fort pierce to take another step

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forward and with all concerns being addressed, we look forward to working further on it. Thank you very much.

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>> thank you, anyone else who would like to make public

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comment? Anybody else, yes, forward please. Please state

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your name and address. >> my name is jr, I recently

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moved but I hope that doesn't hold anybody against me, I'm

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the micromanager for downtown fort pierce farmers market, open

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on saturdays, rain or shine. So, delivering the message based on

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the market board, I would like to say that it reads without

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smart coordination with our existing market spaces to ensure

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success, the success for market environments, I cannot put my support behind the create conceptual design from marina

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square revitalization project, there's just too many unknowns that still need to be flushed out in that conceptual design.

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mainly the consideration for markets and vendors. As it stands, running the numbers between the fort pierce farmers

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market and the jazz and blues society craft market, but runs concurrently with each other, together they bring hundreds of

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vendors and thousands of visitors each week, generating

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significant economic impact. We wish to retain that, and to

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sustain that success, they should provide at least 200

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vendor spaces which would be about 10 foot by 10 foot spaces

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with access to power and water. Parking constraints, I'm not

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going to go further into that, I feel like that has already been addressed. As far as the amenities that I feel do not fit

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within the downtown space, restrooms would be nice, however the cafe does little to address the existing economic output

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that the cafes that exist downtown present. So I wouldn't want to jump on that. The splash pad, yes it can bring in

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additional sector and demographic to the downtown area. However, I feel that might be better suited at other

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existing parks, mainly like pinewood park, which would be a

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great location for that. And another point of contention

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would be the construction impact and economic risk, during the

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construction phase. I know there are some other parks nearby to

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the riverwalk center but without that proper coordination and the amenities that we need to have, that is something that needs to

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be looked into. So finally, just a recap, I would like for the

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city to look at a smarter approach rather than a shotgun

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approach and I have less than 10 seconds, so that is it. Thank

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you. >> anybody else want to make public comment, please come forward.

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>> henry schmidt, 539 southeast cliff road in port st. Lucie,

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glad to be here. I'm the president of the justice society

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and I think the city and justice society have a fantastic

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relationship for 25 years, as does the other market, we are able to do incredible things. I talked to other societies and

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they are jealous as far as what the market allows us to do,

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continuing with that, it is a great thing. They provide

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thousands of dollars in scholarships and we provide entertainment year-round and we do big bend during the season.

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and other societies do a minimal amount of that, with limited

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funding and from somebody who is generous. Whereas here it is

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year-round. So obviously, if you look at the picture of the

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current existing thing, it is a tired parking lot. And then if

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you look at the proposals, it is fabulous, okay, so if we can work that in, obviously it will be a gain to the city.

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particularly with king's landing, and all of that, it

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would be a sore spot. So we have been working with, where is she,

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sarah, she is fantastic. A real professional. And she listened

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through a couple of reiterations from the original proposal to what we have here. So my concern is, can we continue, and should

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you decide that is what you want to do, how can the markets

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continue? Because to us, that is our lifeline. Where would the

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marketscope because during the construction of this event, you can't have both. So where would the markets go? This is a work

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in progress, and I have seen it to currently and I agree with

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what janice says, there are some things that probably need to be modified but that is true with any project. Okay, so you know,

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it is impressive and sarah is very professional, we met a

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couple times get we went through that and the original proposal

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changed significantly from what we have here. So, to me, it's

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the technical part of it, the funding, the timing, so forth, moving the fence, that is what I would be looking at as it

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progresses before you even get into that. But I just want to

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stress, the justice society and fort pierce, we just love you

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guys, okay? Thank you. >> anybody else want to make

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public comment? You are welcome. Anybody else? Come on.

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>> my name is laurie metcalf, in fort pierce. And I am a member

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of the fort pierce jazz and blues society as well and I've been going to the markets, as much as I can and I believe, I

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love the quaintness of it. I understand that there's

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progress and things need to move on, but I think fort pierce and

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downtown fort pierce, it has such a quaintness to it, you

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know people are attracted to it. Every year they had different

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holidays, the horses that come through once a year, the

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dancing, the christmas trees, all those things are just

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nostalgic. And people flocked to them every year. And I'm

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wondering, we have this gazebo that is just falling apart and that needs attention and it definitely won't be there with

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these plans that are going to be going forward maybe. And I'm

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looking at the jazz market, the craft market and the grass where all that is. To me, why can't we just fix what we have and

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make it a little nicer and make it the gazebo bigger, have a

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bandstand, or just fix it? That is how I see it. Because I just

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love the way it is. Yes it needs a little bit of upkeep and

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maintenance and a little bit of makeup. But, to me, I'm just

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old-fashioned and I like it the way it is.

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>> thank you, anybody else? Public comment is open. Seeing

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no further movement, we will close public comment and I want

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to say thank you to those who came and shared your comments. At some point in the agenda it might be addressed but you know

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that the comments will be addressed in some aspect, so thank you so much for making public comment tonight. Let's

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proceed on the agenda. >> the consent agenda. >> anything on the consent agenda that you want to pull?

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>> I just want to pull a and b for a quick comment.

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>> I think we corrected all of these other issues, and 8d was

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pulled. >> anything else? Good on the

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consent, so commissioner, you pulled these items you want to make a motion? >> I make a motion that we

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conclude the agenda with items pulled, a and b.

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>> approval of property license agreement of safety camera

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installation ? >> yes, I pulled this just to

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talk about it because again it is on the consent agenda and a lot of people hear us say approve and move on, but this is

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something that we've got in place because we had an outcry in our city for this type of system and I just wanted it to

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be pointed out that when you say something to the commission, we

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listen and this is an example of what we are doing. So it is much

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needed, and popular belief, that in a community that is only

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targeting a certain community, it is around the whole city of fort pierce so we are protecting everybody at fort pierce. So I

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just wanted to make that approval, and for what it says,

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the safety camera installation by flock. And what I don't do

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is try to identify where all the cameras are because that defeats the purpose. It helps to police the area and track and do

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certain things when crime is committed. So again, I want to

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bring that to the public's attention, we are listening and

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this is getting approved. >> I would add to that that this

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is just a continuation of our investment which is ongoing and constant in the public safety initiatives. The perception is

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that we are not investing in xyz, we are constantly investing

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in public safety upgrades and looking to increase the safety based on the city overall, so I agree. It is a good move.

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>> with that, mayor pro tem, I make a motion to approve.

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>> second. >> commissioner brodrick?

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commissioner gains? Commissioner johnson? >> yes, ma'am. >> next, approval of the award

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number 2025-024 for the avenue d resurfacing from 29th street to

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u.s. 1 project to cw roberts contracting, in the amount of $4

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million. >> this is for the public to understand, this money is grants and stuff, money from the state

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and from our board to resurface and re-approve 29th street to

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u.s. 1 at avenue d. So I know we have asked the engineer in the

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building, if the engineer department, when work commences,

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that we put notice out for those businesses, for those businesses that are going to be affected by this project. So again, projects

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are being done and what the public has to understand is that

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projects are put on a list and the city gets to the project by

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that list. So if you see it, go out and look at orange avenue,

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orange avenue was on a list last year but it got completed this year. So the city is not picking, we are going to go here

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or go there, there is a list and we go out and select and when

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that project is up, that is when we do it. So all those emails I

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have gotten about all the other roads, 13th street, delaware and all the other roads, that I'm getting emails about, we are

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looking at and we are trying to fix every road that we can. It

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is not cheap to fix a road and this $4 million to go from u.s.

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one two north 29th street and I remember asking the commission

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why we started the 29th street, but I guess that is where the

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money stops, so we will figure out the other party and go from there. That is just me. So with that, I just wanted to bring it

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up because of our commitment to the city of fort pierce, making

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better roads, especially throughout our city and the

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amount, it was a $4 million deal. >> just one comment, commissioner gaines , that

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cumulatively over the last three months, this body and the city

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commission, we have approved over $20 million with the roadway projects and that is a lot of road, that's a lot of

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money for not a lot of road in my opinion but roads are expensive now, like everything else. But $20 million worth of

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resurfacing less what has gone on over the last 20 years is

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pretty impressive. >> and for the public's

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understanding, we are also working with staff to make sure that these things are communicated. These road repairs

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are going to cause major disruptions because we are used

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to navigating through major roads, this is going to be quite a challenge. We approved that last night, so with these

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approvals, these things are starting to take place and unfortunately it is going to be in the middle of the holiday

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season. So I want you to hear that now. We are going to have a little pain this holiday season. Things are probably not going to

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be the same for the christmas parade or the festivals, et

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cetera, but what we are going to have is a beautiful roadway,

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smoother roadway that is better for our community. So we are

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going to do our job to get the communication out, but we also

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ask for your patience. These roads have been reported by the

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community for a number of years, that they need repair. It takes

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a while to get the grants, and we are applying those grant monies along with fpra investment money to total this

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up. So you will hear more from us as these projects begin, but

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just know that we are going to have a little pain, okay, during the holiday season, just as we go. With that I will call for a

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motion on this item. >> I will make a motion that we

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approve consent agenda 7b. >> second.

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>> yes, commissioner gaines ? Commissioner brodrick?

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commissioner johnson? >> yes. The next item.

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>> fort pierce downtown park conceptual design presentation

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by inspire place making collective.

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>> we will have the discussion on that presentation once it is finished and finalized. >> so, right now this is

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conceptual, this is just getting some feedback after community

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input and this is kind of first time most of us are seeing this, so that is why we have no major decisions being made on

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this one tonight. >> exactly, just a presentation, discussion and certainly along the way we will have workshops

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and stakeholder input. >> it is still a great

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opportunity for the community to give input to the commissioners

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looking forward. Miss delgado ?

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>> you all did a good job. They are going to present the

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conceptual design based off of community engagement, stakeholder interviews, so I will let them take over.

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>> please state your name for the record and we'll go from there. >> george kramer, and vienna,

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landscape and designer. >> thank you for giving us the

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chance to share what we have collected and what we have done with the downtown master plan. Which the park we now call

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marina square, and we know that this project, this site is

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really significant as everybody has been sharing their comments

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here, we know the importance of this area and this site was the

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area studied based on the downtown master plan, in which one of the major initiatives came to design a well , a

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well-designed place that would cater to the needs of the people in fort pierce. So, with that, we started this area and we put

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a lot of heart into this, as we have been collecting the

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thoughts of everybody. First of all, we went ahead and observed the site and saw that there were economics involved, how it works

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during the weekends and how it works when it is full versus empty. We also wanted to see it in comparison with other parks

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right now, where does fort pierce stand and where does the public space stand? With that, we studied through people how it

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is catering to people, how it serves for the ecosystem and how

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it is supporting the economy. And we used this larger framework to analyze and some of these key takeaways that we saw

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from just general analysis was how disconnected the park is. There's a lot of great events happening because of the farmers

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market but there is a lot of areas that you have to cross through a big parkinglot. We also saw how there is

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opportunity to use this as a way to collect the ecosystem and

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ecological support for the city of fort pierce, especially with

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the conditions with where we are right now, and we see a

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potential for this to be a year-round economic generator.

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we also listened to the community and collected all of

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the ideas. This has been some great progress, we did a

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workshop to understand the preferences, even did exercises on understanding layouts and what people really think should be happening on the park, let them design the park and held a

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stakeholder interview and provided all of this through our

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website. With all of this, we were able to gain a lot of feedback as we have been working on this concept. And with this,

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we have these key takeaways where we realize that the markets, as everybody was sharing today, it is a

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cornerstone, it is really important in this area. With that comes also the need for flexible and multigenerational

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space, one that serves all the needs of fort pierce. And for

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that to happen, we understand that we need infrastructure,

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power, lighting, all of this needs to be incorporated into

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the park. There was also a need for strengthening the parks natural identity, educational identity that came from the

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younger generation as well and understanding what's the potential of this site and we do recognize that parking right now

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is still a crucial piece and something that has been discussed a lot. And for that same reason, we have to consider

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again what is this space and we took that into account as we were trying to see what are the key things that need to happen

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in this area. So coming back to this site, and you are all

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seeing some of the bigger pieces that we need to address was

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connecting, we need to connect the riverfront to downtown, to

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the water, connecting the libraries to restaurants. That was the biggest step. And with that, we also need to activate

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north indian river drive, that is going to be an important street, to activate the waterfront as well. And with

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that we also need to restore this area, give it the

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opportunity to come back to the indian river lagoon, how it used

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to be. And taking into account that we have to provide access, keep the operations of the marina, so those were the pieces

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that we were strongly considering while doing the

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design. And also factoring in the designing elements that were highly favored by the community, so things that they shared as

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having the flexibility for events, plazas, markets and

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ecological experience where we can manage stormwater. Water

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features was highly requested by the families as well as nature

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based play. There was also a request for dog park so how can we incorporate this into the area, considering the experience

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along the waterfront, vendors and providing different

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opportunities for shade, openness and considering how we

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can incorporate multigenerational play was another piece. And if we are going to be doing parking, let's go ahead and do it right. How can we do sustainable

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parking that is going to last in the long run? A great example for fort pierce. And considering that, there's a lot of things

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that people shared that we didn't know, the current trends

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around the park, establishing areas where people know they can

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have those. So we introduce you to marina square with a new

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brand and with this brand, we are also recognizing that this

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is representing the sun ray city, representing the marina

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that is there, the experience along the waterfront and their

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relationship to this indian river lagoon. And we wanted to

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bring you to the new park we are proposing here and we could say

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it's like the front porch to the water, where you have a market plaza, a stage, play spaces, different shaded

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opportunities for you to walk around the area and a

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comfortable manner. So I invite you all to imagine yourselves

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here. Being able to take a lunch break by the lawn, or listening

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to the jazz on the gazebo, or walking along, being able to

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check out the craft market or getting to play some chess with

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dominoes, with some friends at the tables. Were coming to

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really explore the lush landscape and if it is a rainy

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day, you get to see it in the works. Or you can come to the

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playground with your children and then go to the splash pad while the farmers market is happening. Imagine playing

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ping-pong under the existing grove, getting the experience of

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the indian river lagoon or just getting to experience a concert

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on the lawn. And getting to experience one of the best views

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along the marina. And all of this comes with a new brand as

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well, something that fort pierce could be proud of and it is repeated throughout the area, you can experience it with all

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of the events and just imagine even during construction, being

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able to say something new is growing along the fences. So,

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just take a moment . >> [music]

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>> we wanted to share that just to give you a glimpse of what

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could happen in this area. We put a lot of thought behind the

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scenes of this park and the reason it has formed the way it

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has formed. So, thank you so much. We are going to call this

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the backbone of the park and we wanted to explain a little bit

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about how this really works, in terms of parking and circulation, we have currently a large parking area and we are

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proposing to have access throughout avenue a and

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redirection through what we consider orange avenue, on the vendors and emergency vehicles will have access, and we can

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keep that activity happening throughout the park. With this,

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we have gone from, we have kept 100 spaces, keeping in mind that

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now we have two train stops to take people around to the supporting parking along fort pierce. Service routes do not

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change. Everything has really kept the same. We have even

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considered garbage dumps, so everything stays in the same

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circulation. Adding the tram circulation. And for vendors and

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markets in the general master plan, we were just using for graphic purposes, a couple of tents so you can see where they

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could be laid out. But we left it flexible, so all of these can

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be laid out to the point where we can have 202 spaces for vendors. And we know that there is high times where there could

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be a lot of vendors so we have provided overflow. And even in

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that time which it is the clear months, you don't want to be in

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the splash pad, so keeping that area flexible so you can have vendors on top of this area that is not going to be used, we have

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even considered that. We also considered food trucks and

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stabilizing belts for the food trucks so they can be placed

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there. And even loading and unloading areas for these

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events. And we also put thought into the phasing and how this

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can keep the marina moving, so one of the areas we considered,

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starting with the parking, if this parking is started, then

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the rest of the events can happen still along the plaza.

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the crafts could be worked along the parking area and we could do

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some artistic temporary areas in the meantime. And phase two, we

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are calling at the central park, while that is being done, we

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already have a parking lot so the farmers market is still

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untouched. The crafts could happen along melody or along the

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parking lot. So the activities can still happen, they can keep

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moving with everything going on today and finally in phase three, we have that market plaza for the vendor events. And once

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we have the waterfront, then we come back to the final plan. And

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we can go into more detail but I wanted to bring it up to this

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point and I understand, everything that people have

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spoken about here, we understand how important this site is and

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how much heart people have put into this area and for that same reason is why we need to address it and why we are here. To be

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able to illustrate the plan based on what everybody has been sharing. In the community. Thank you.

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>> if I could , if you could go back to the key take away slide,

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I think it was eight or nine. I just want to say thank you to

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everybody that came up and spoke tonight, everybody that has participated through this process, even the people who

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aren't in support of the plan right now, that underscores the importance of this space to the community. I want to focus on

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the first two key takeawas, markets and events are a

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cornerstone. These are primary users today and it is important and viviana talked through that plan, but this space is too

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important not to expand the number of users. So what we

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didn't see were some of the kids that would be playing on the splash pad here tonight talking about what they want to

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see. Unfortunately we did get some of that feedback through there. Understanding change is hard but to increase the

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opportunity, you know we talk about this is a plan for the people, for the community of fort pierce. And it is also a

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concept, as I think most of you are aware, the downtown master

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plan which was an award-winning plan recognized by the florida redevelopment association, what you might not know is that

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almost all of the awards from the florida redevelopment association are from built projects and there is a high

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standard to see that ultimately implemented. This is the next

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phase in the process. We have to drill down into detail to be able to get valuable feedback, so what you are seeing today is

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not a final design, it is an advancement of the process and I

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think we are moving in the right direction. So I just wanted to say thank you to this board for the opportunity to continue our

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work here with the city of fort pierce and we look forward to

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your questions and feedback and it has been a pleasure as it

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always is to work here in the sunrise city.

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>> commissioners, we will take some questions now. Commissioner

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gaines ? >> I'm glad you are here and

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you tried to address some of the concerns that you heard tonight and I would ask, because I didn't see who you talked to or

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whatever, if it was now listed, so to reach out to the people

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that spoke tonight just to get some of their input so they feel

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like we are listening and because the farmers market is

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important to fort pierce, and I'm glad your first key take away was the markets so it is important. And I didn't know

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until I heard tonight about the jazz connection with year-round so if fort pierce needs to be the next jazz connection

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location, let's incorporate it because I like jazz and after

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this, maybe somebody can go down there and play jazz and go down

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and calm down. But in all seriousness, this is a great idea and the other thing I want to say for the public, during

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our strategic meeting, the marina square , it was up in the

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top five that we came up with so we are right on track to doing what we said we wanted to do so I love what I'm seeing, I

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can't wait to see the final project and the playground I

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know when it first came up, I always said that when we are planning stuff, we have to start including the next generation.

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because unfortunately all of us are not going to be here and if we build it for ourselves, all they are going to do is tear it

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down for what they want, so we might as well get their input now to be a part of our city and believe it or not, a lot of

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teenagers and a lot of young families do spend money. They like to eat, the kids like to go into the shops and get

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knickknacks, so it's just, I'm happy to see that their input

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was included is a lot of times I have seen presentations where we have talked to the youth and I appreciate that. So I look

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forward to working and seeing the final project again, this is

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not it, this is what we are thinking about and I look forward to continuing to work with you.

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>> thank you for the presentation, certainly

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enlightening and what can be done. I know that the interest

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of this project, the name is marina square however the marina

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is the afterthought, I reference that with the city picture in front of us, the marina is not empty, it is 100% full for the

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waiting list, but the proposal as it sits in front of us currently reduces parking from 211 parking spaces to 100. There

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are no parking spaces adjacent to the marina, but we have parking to transient boaters on a regular basis. I know that the

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regular marina is taken from granted from perspective of the cash flow that it generates from the city, it throws money into

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the general fund on a regular basis, and in addition to that,

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I'm not sure if you are aware of this, there are plans moving along currently to expand the marina with another 2700 running

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feet of dock area. Where are we going to park these patrons that

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want to use the marina? And I recall that the marina was the third most sought after destination in the county, as a

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tourist destination. Number three. Downtown fort pierce is number one, the marina was number three. And we seem to be

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not taking into account, we have a 250 slip five-star marina that

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is simply lost in the shuffle from the perspective of how the

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patrons are going to access this facility and utilize it. I would submit that based on the plan as it exists with all the

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elimination of parking and I don't have a solution to this mind you, I have a solution but it cost about $40 million, that

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this needs to be revisited to determine what is our priority, is it the marina which we have somewhere in the vicinity of $30

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million invested in currently, looking to spend millions of dollars more to expand it and produce additional revenue to

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the city? Are we keeping that priority in mind? And I'm not

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sure what statistics we are utilizing because I don't believe they exist as far as parking and downtown, that's

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why I use the parking garage, people are not going to go from

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the parking garage down for a day of boating, they are not going to do it, they will go elsewhere. We might see a marina

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that might look like this after this is done, with those transient boats or short-term, people that use it as sporting

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boats, they will move out of this area. So I have grave concerns about the what -- what the impacts are going to be to

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the city, with tens of millions of dollars invested and we are just considering it, I don't even see where it is considered

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in this plan. It is an afterthought, it's not even a

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part of the overall scheme. If you look at the video, it doesn't even show a marina exist, yet we are calling it

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marina square. My criticism, we can't damage the improvements

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we have made already and look to expand our marina operations, that is critical to the city, for the functionality of the

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00:49:13,272 --> 00:49:16,775
marina. It is a five-star facility. And I don't want to see that diminished by us eliminating the ability for

412
00:49:21,012 --> 00:49:23,983
people to get to the marina to use their vessels and I believe that is what is going to happen, it is going to be a matter of

413
00:49:26,886 --> 00:49:26,886
fact. So the question comes up, how do we enumerate that? Do we

414
00:49:31,123 --> 00:49:31,123
have a parking study? Of course we do not. So what is the

415
00:49:35,961 --> 00:49:35,961
capacity of the parking garage for the long-term boater storage

416
00:49:42,534 --> 00:49:44,770
of vehicles? We don't know what the percentage of capacity of the garage is because we have accounting system that doesn't

417
00:49:48,875 --> 00:49:48,875
work. That has been installed for about a year, so we know

418
00:49:53,178 --> 00:49:56,881
what capacity we are running the garage at. Ultimately, the $40 million solution is to build a parking garage on the second

419
00:49:59,984 --> 00:49:59,984
street bistro parking lot or the old jcpenney's parking lot at

420
00:50:05,124 --> 00:50:05,124
$35,000 per space for vertical construction of parking. I

421
00:50:11,797 --> 00:50:14,133
believe that option is not currently on the table for the city of fort pierce to undertake. So how do we

422
00:50:16,901 --> 00:50:19,572
accommodate the needs of the marina in this overall scheme? The scheme is phenomenal, it is great, how could you say no to

423
00:50:25,044 --> 00:50:27,846
open green space and events and farmers market and all the other things that take place? I don't disagree with that but, the

424
00:50:32,885 --> 00:50:32,885
marina is an afterthought and their requirements are not being

425
00:50:38,123 --> 00:50:38,123
addressed in any capacity. That is where my concern lies and if

426
00:50:46,364 --> 00:50:48,500
we are looking at investing millions of dollars more into the marina itself, to an enterprise fund, self funding

427
00:50:53,538 --> 00:50:56,474
mechanism, we are going to be bringing in more boats and we are making the problem even worse than it is now under this

428
00:51:02,681 --> 00:51:02,681
proposal. So I have very serious reservations about this , it's

429
00:51:10,456 --> 00:51:12,825
like we are just taking this operation for granted and I will leave it at that, I think I made my point, this is a big concern

430
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,329
for me. And the marina management team is here, if they want to address the parking issues, they can talk about it.

431
00:51:23,502 --> 00:51:25,603
clearly, transient boaters are going down on a saturday or sunday and they can't get access to the marina without

432
00:51:28,473 --> 00:51:31,776
carrying their stuff from the city parking garage. Is that a practical solution? I don't believe it is. Those are my

433
00:51:37,248 --> 00:51:39,316
concerns. I'm sure they can testify the same thing. But at the end of the day, we are eliminating all the parking on

434
00:51:46,524 --> 00:51:48,960
melody lane, a large chunk of the parking in the existing parking lot which I'm sure you know, you come down here on the

435
00:51:51,262 --> 00:51:53,931
weekend, can you find a space in the parking lot? Nobody can. So we know the challenges that are going to be addressed and I fear

436
00:51:56,667 --> 00:51:56,667
that one of our primary income producers is going to be pushed

437
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:02,940
aside for this development and just say well, fend for yourself

438
00:52:06,944 --> 00:52:08,614
and they don't have the capacity to do that. If you want to look at the numbers, exclusively by the north marina,

439
00:52:12,283 --> 00:52:12,283
I believe it has 90 spaces, is that correct? 44, thank you. And

440
00:52:19,825 --> 00:52:19,825
we have a 250 slip marina, soon to be much larger than that with

441
00:52:29,901 --> 00:52:29,901
the additional dockage. So you see my concerns. You can only

442
00:52:36,707 --> 00:52:39,077
have so many priorities you can address in your scheme and I understand that. Ultimately, it is this party's decision to say

443
00:52:43,915 --> 00:52:43,915
what is the priority for this area and is named marina square,

444
00:52:52,990 --> 00:52:55,226
in my opinion we need to keep the marina squarely in our thoughts as to what we are doing moving forward.

445
00:52:57,028 --> 00:52:58,863
>> would you care to address this, please? >> yes, there's two pieces to the comments and I would like to

446
00:53:02,699 --> 00:53:02,699
clarify one piece, when we were considering the operations of

447
00:53:06,971 --> 00:53:09,506
the marina and we went back and forth to understand those needs, we did consider all of the logistics that happened, for

448
00:53:13,377 --> 00:53:13,377
example the drop offs like you are saying. So we have dedicated

449
00:53:20,985 --> 00:53:20,985
space for the loading zones and we have left basically all the

450
00:53:25,322 --> 00:53:25,322
space there including all of the parking for that area. This

451
00:53:37,001 --> 00:53:37,001
whole area is dedicated for the marine operations, everything

452
00:53:42,907 --> 00:53:42,907
has been left intact. Regarding the parking, the only piece that

453
00:53:51,548 --> 00:53:53,584
is connecting this area, imagine if this was all full of cars right now, that's the only difference. But truly the

454
00:53:59,457 --> 00:54:01,759
logistical operations, we have put a lot of thought into it to anything from the marina. Rbing- >> just a follow-up comment if I

455
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,902
could, on the parking. I understand parking in downtown fort pierce intimately, chairman of five years, I know every

456
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:16,240
parking space downtown. With the redo of the jcpenney's parking

457
00:54:24,748 --> 00:54:24,748
lot, we had a net loss of 20 spaces, with the loss of the

458
00:54:31,922 --> 00:54:31,922
lot, a net loss of 92 spaces, so now we are looking at 111,

459
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:37,894
looking at the overall parking numbers from the entirety of downtown, that is an additional couple hundred that we are

460
00:54:40,732 --> 00:54:40,732
losing, dropping that number consistently again. So that's

461
00:54:45,769 --> 00:54:45,769
my only response to that. >> I appreciate your comments

462
00:54:52,243 --> 00:54:52,243
and I agree with you that the marina is very important to the

463
00:54:57,848 --> 00:54:57,848
city, to this space, and that we need to think about the parking,

464
00:55:07,057 --> 00:55:07,057
we need to continue looking at that loading zone but the only

465
00:55:11,228 --> 00:55:14,298
thing I would say is that I think there's more than just parking as to how we can create a space that helps support, that

466
00:55:21,371 --> 00:55:21,371
is complementary to the marina. So I heard your comments, I

467
00:55:28,478 --> 00:55:31,048
appreciate your experience on the parking committee, those cannot be ignored through this concept, full stop. So I

468
00:55:39,255 --> 00:55:41,524
appreciate that. But I do think there is the opportunity to work with this design and come up with a solution that benefits

469
00:55:46,763 --> 00:55:46,763
the marina, and that would be my commitment to you.

470
00:55:51,434 --> 00:55:53,369
>> thank you, I appreciate that and I know the ultimate solution is $40 million worth of garage two blocks that way but I don't

471
00:55:58,241 --> 00:55:58,241
see that in the foreseeable future.

472
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:04,180
>> just, when we approve the jcpenney's parking lot and we

473
00:56:12,422 --> 00:56:12,422
knew we were losing spaces, it was a 5-10 vote. When we agreed

474
00:56:19,095 --> 00:56:19,095
to expand the marina, parking at that time was an issue and we

475
00:56:27,303 --> 00:56:30,974
still agreed to do it, knowing that we didn't have the parking for the expansion of the marina. What I'm not going to do and I

476
00:56:36,479 --> 00:56:39,082
will put that on the record tonight, is turn all of this green area downtown into a parking lot. I'm not going to

477
00:56:43,853 --> 00:56:43,853
vote on that ever, that is not what our community has asked

478
00:56:51,594 --> 00:56:54,131
for. They would not have had workshops, that is not what they asked for. So before tonight, we moved with the expansion of the

479
00:57:02,738 --> 00:57:06,375
marina and how important the marina is, that we have a parking problem, when we agreed to expand it. Number three on

480
00:57:13,082 --> 00:57:15,218
the list, you are absolutely right but as a commission, we knew we had a problem and we agreed to put everything into

481
00:57:17,987 --> 00:57:17,987
that marina that was still going to be a parking problem. And I

482
00:57:25,628 --> 00:57:25,628
understand we had discussions about a parking garage then ,

483
00:57:34,537 --> 00:57:38,207
maybe that is going to have to be at because what I'm not going to do is move all of this green space and all of these

484
00:57:43,379 --> 00:57:46,248
ideas and farmers markets and every thing else and everything that downtown has come into a parking lot. So I guess we have

485
00:57:51,353 --> 00:57:53,722
to go back to the drawing board and look at a parking garage and look at something else but, this is not something that we thought

486
00:58:02,564 --> 00:58:02,564
of. They had input from the residents of fort pierce and

487
00:58:06,669 --> 00:58:08,537
this is something that the residents of fort pierce told them, this is what they wanted to see so I think, to vote on

488
00:58:20,282 --> 00:58:20,282
the parking issue tonight is unfair because the parking issue

489
00:58:25,387 --> 00:58:25,387
has been downtown ever since I was a little boy, it has been

490
00:58:29,658 --> 00:58:29,658
that way. And yes, we lost some parking because we weren't

491
00:58:34,496 --> 00:58:34,496
going to be handicap by a private owner, so maybe we need

492
00:58:40,002 --> 00:58:40,002
to look at some of the spots that we have where parking is

493
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:45,040
but I would never be a yes vote on removing the green space or

494
00:58:50,013 --> 00:58:52,648
removing the downtown area that we are trying to do because that is nowhere in the master plan, to remove something for

495
00:59:01,090 --> 00:59:02,158
additional parking. I would never be able to vote. >> I have not suggested increasing the parking downtown,

496
00:59:07,263 --> 00:59:07,263
I said don't eliminate more spaces. That suggestion has

497
00:59:13,436 --> 00:59:13,436
never come out of my mouth. >> that's not what I said, what

498
00:59:19,775 --> 00:59:23,478
I'm saying is, this space right now has been down there like it is. We knew we had a parking problem when we agreed to extend

499
00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:27,215
the marina. I love the marina, the marina is one of our best

500
00:59:31,486 --> 00:59:31,486
assets, I agree 100%, but having the boats coming in and nowhere

501
00:59:38,193 --> 00:59:40,629
for people to go when they bring their boats, they are still going to pack up and leave so it is a two edged sword we are

502
00:59:47,136 --> 00:59:47,136
playing with. We have to figure out, the four of us right now,

503
00:59:52,941 --> 00:59:54,977
whoever else is listening, that want to join this headache, they are going to have to figure that out, so I didn't say you wanted

504
00:59:59,414 --> 00:59:59,414
that, I know you don't, that has never been you. However, the

505
01:00:03,786 --> 01:00:03,786
parking has always been an issue and until we make the hard

506
01:00:10,693 --> 01:00:14,328
decision to address it, it is always going to be a decision in anything we do downtown or at the marina or the indian river

507
01:00:23,938 --> 01:00:25,406
seaway, that is always going to be the issue. >> let me just jump in. You all make valid points, I think what

508
01:00:28,877 --> 01:00:28,877
we are hearing is that, with the design we have in front of us,

509
01:00:34,816 --> 01:00:37,819
we have seen basically about 100 spots evaporate, because basically it is a dirt lot right now and people just park and it

510
01:00:42,056 --> 01:00:42,056
is muddy and they are sweating and that kind of thing. Have you

511
01:00:49,864 --> 01:00:53,401
looked at or been updated, and maybe this is something we need to do, we are going under major construction on indian river

512
01:00:57,104 --> 01:00:57,104
drive which is going to add additional parking along indian

513
01:01:02,476 --> 01:01:05,446
river. >> we are losing nine spaces due to the construction at the marina, where freedom but works

514
01:01:12,820 --> 01:01:14,388
is located, nine spaces that we will lose. >> so, what I'm getting at is somehow we need to -- because

515
01:01:20,694 --> 01:01:23,364
there is some space even behind the museum where the city owns, it is a park per se right now, I don't know the scope of where

516
01:01:27,201 --> 01:01:27,201
we are, but we may look at adding additional pieces in this

517
01:01:32,539 --> 01:01:34,542
to make sure we get a total picture and what the possibilities could be because that extends all the way down to

518
01:01:38,979 --> 01:01:38,979
the riverwalk center but there is a space in between that,

519
01:01:42,984 --> 01:01:42,984
there is a green space in between that that we have used

520
01:01:47,188 --> 01:01:50,624
sporadically for different types of things and maybe I'm looking at that as an expansion of marina square and miss delgado ,

521
01:02:00,134 --> 01:02:03,270
I don't know the scope of this project but I think we probably need to look at that concept and see perhaps, could there be some

522
01:02:05,172 --> 01:02:08,676
connectivity that satisfies all parties involved including the expansion of the marina, parking, et cetera and how we

523
01:02:10,878 --> 01:02:10,878
could accommodate that so I think we are in the early stages

524
01:02:18,085 --> 01:02:20,888
right now, I don't know if you knew about the expansion of the marina but I think we need to recalculate some stuff based on

525
01:02:24,859 --> 01:02:24,859
the forecast of that and traffic, et cetera and I would

526
01:02:29,597 --> 01:02:29,597
be interested to see how that impacts this project. What we

527
01:02:34,335 --> 01:02:37,137
have to condense or whatever. What I do like about it is that the one piece that gives access, a little closer access to

528
01:02:40,775 --> 01:02:40,775
patrons to the actual lagoon to be able to walk out past that

529
01:02:46,747 --> 01:02:46,747
seashore wall is a very nice additive to that area, it gets

530
01:02:52,252 --> 01:02:52,252
people a closer look at the water, maybe a greater

531
01:02:57,057 --> 01:02:57,057
experience to that. You know, the concepts of being able to,

532
01:03:01,629 --> 01:03:05,599
if I heard you right, expand the number of tent opportunities for that. So again, that creates entrepreneurs and people that

533
01:03:09,503 --> 01:03:09,503
are looking for that, it gives them an opportunity but I think

534
01:03:14,942 --> 01:03:16,678
the concern of it is that obviously more people are going to be here, we've got to get over the conditioning of people

535
01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:22,650
that I used to driving right up and parking right there and not

536
01:03:27,421 --> 01:03:31,057
walking. We are going to have to address that and addressed that with how do we park, where do we park and how do we move people

537
01:03:35,495 --> 01:03:35,495
as a result. Any creativity there would be helpful and even

538
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:42,069
understanding any impact in other areas and suggestions. I

539
01:03:49,776 --> 01:03:49,776
see a parking lot that is kind of to the north, how many spaces

540
01:03:57,084 --> 01:03:59,119
is that? >> 15 or 18. >> that's what I thought. So the biggest feedback that I see,

541
01:04:08,261 --> 01:04:12,099
the corporation of this expansion of our marina, I would like to see how you are going to accommodate that and understand the impact that would be, where the expansion is, et cetera,

542
01:04:19,973 --> 01:04:22,976
that is going to be important for navigational expense. Anything else? >> I think you hit the nail on

543
01:04:27,948 --> 01:04:27,948
the head. We have all those lands between the bridge and

544
01:04:35,455 --> 01:04:35,455
cobb's landing, with the water provision, they have to remain

545
01:04:41,161 --> 01:04:44,231
for public use. So we have the ability to convert that green area for anything that we wish to so if we are going to swap

546
01:04:48,068 --> 01:04:48,068
out marina square for civilian traffic and parks, and I support

547
01:04:53,773 --> 01:04:53,773
that, the more green area the better, clearly. We just have to

548
01:05:00,313 --> 01:05:02,215
accommodate all these other needs and we have the ability to use the acreage to be able to possibly do that. And candidly,

549
01:05:09,756 --> 01:05:09,756
if we put marina parking over there, I'm sure they are going

550
01:05:14,227 --> 01:05:17,097
to find a way to run a shuttle back and forth to the main facility to get people back and forth. What are they going to

551
01:05:20,366 --> 01:05:22,302
do, they will facilitate whatever they need to do to get their clients to use their facilities. We might want to

552
01:05:25,205 --> 01:05:25,205
consider expanding the footprint of this as you are suggesting to

553
01:05:29,376 --> 01:05:29,376
look at that. Because there's a ton of area over there.

554
01:05:34,547 --> 01:05:37,149
>> so I'm trying to picture what you are talking about. >> it is the green space between the riverwalk and coming back to

555
01:05:42,355 --> 01:05:42,355
the manatee center, we called it veterans park.

556
01:05:48,628 --> 01:05:48,628
>> it is north of that but within close proximity. The

557
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:54,400
manatee parking lot for example is utilized for public parking,

558
01:05:59,605 --> 01:06:01,441
if that was capitalized from marina parking, that is changed from the mix and we shift some of that stuff from the north. So

559
01:06:04,477 --> 01:06:04,477
you have the manatee center, the parking lot behind it and green

560
01:06:10,816 --> 01:06:10,816
area to the north of that. >> there is some possibility

561
01:06:16,556 --> 01:06:19,792
there. That technically could be flex space as well, we could use it in a lot of different ways but I think right now it's just

562
01:06:23,428 --> 01:06:23,428
grass and palm trees and that is about it. It's a great space.

563
01:06:31,771 --> 01:06:34,407
>> I agree with that concept, there can be an exchange because that property is protected, we have to keep it for public use.

564
01:06:42,949 --> 01:06:45,551
>> and riverwalk and all that. So all of those things start to come into play when it comes to additional parking.

565
01:06:50,155 --> 01:06:53,158
>> it becomes a necessity so I'm not sure how we go about adjusting this proposition to incorporate, if this body is

566
01:06:56,930 --> 01:07:00,399
saying let's take a look at, too. They need to get to work but they need authorization, I'm not sure how we do that.

567
01:07:04,838 --> 01:07:04,838
>> but I can tell you, there is a potential for connectivity,

568
01:07:12,444 --> 01:07:15,547
I'm trying to connect literally from the bridge all the way down on that walkway so people can recreate the whole trail pretty

569
01:07:23,122 --> 01:07:23,122
much. >> members of the board , you

570
01:07:37,669 --> 01:07:37,669
are right on, that project was identified by them in the

571
01:07:41,807 --> 01:07:41,807
downtown master plan as, I think it might have been phase one of

572
01:07:48,247 --> 01:07:50,616
limitation, so we can identify some funding to look at that area in combination with this or separate from this but I just

573
01:07:55,286 --> 01:07:55,286
wanted to bring up to your attention that was called out by

574
01:07:59,524 --> 01:08:03,495
the community through that downtown master plan project. And you kind of mentioned it, mr. Chair, it is palm trees,

575
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:07,700
grass, there's great uses or maybe not so connected, with the

576
01:08:14,873 --> 01:08:17,142
construction that is coming, maybe we look at this entire corridor come principally to address marine issues and access

577
01:08:20,512 --> 01:08:24,050
to the waterfront so I just wanted to remind you, that was also identified as an opportunity.

578
01:08:27,051 --> 01:08:27,051
>> with that, any additional comments?

579
01:08:32,724 --> 01:08:32,724
>> just a question, how would we include this, what we need to do

580
01:08:40,532 --> 01:08:40,532
mechanically, we would have to request a revised proposal?

581
01:08:44,903 --> 01:08:44,903
>> right, commissioners, so this group, if we decide to go with

582
01:08:50,108 --> 01:08:52,845
them, they are having continuing services with us, we can look at their current scope for the marina square project and maybe

583
01:08:56,714 --> 01:08:56,714
add on, we can discuss that with them as our consultants to

584
01:09:00,986 --> 01:09:04,957
identify parking and expanding that boundary area. Or we can look at that project separated from this and scope that out

585
01:09:11,096 --> 01:09:11,096
with a separate consultant. Those are some options.

586
01:09:20,272 --> 01:09:20,272
>> since this is here in our directory is here, come on up.

587
01:09:31,983 --> 01:09:31,983
because it is his marina, that is his passion, but introduce

588
01:09:43,928 --> 01:09:46,030
yourself >> my name is dean, I oversee fort pierce marina, october is 30 years so I have been here for

589
01:09:52,471 --> 01:09:52,471
a little bit. I'm very pro-progress, I know change

590
01:09:58,310 --> 01:10:02,113
sometimes is very much needed, I'm very pro-anything associated with kids, parks, but with that said, the city has

591
01:10:12,323 --> 01:10:13,724
huge financial concerns associated with the marina in that area and the business operating here with any major

592
01:10:28,105 --> 01:10:28,105
change and I think we have to look at the financial side of

593
01:10:40,051 --> 01:10:43,621
this, I don't think there has been enough background evaluations really done but I'm worried about financially, overall the impacts are going to be on the south side of the marina if we go through a project like that. It will be

594
01:10:44,789 --> 01:10:46,056
the marina, comms landing, the library, we have charter vessels operating there, we have water transportation, we will have

595
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:52,229
water transportation on the indian river lagoon which means

596
01:10:58,035 --> 01:10:59,403
more people are going to visit the area. With that we have a freedom boat club which is around 40 boats operating at

597
01:11:03,674 --> 01:11:03,674
this time. Marine expansion, that is really up to the

598
01:11:10,481 --> 01:11:12,550
commission's decision whether they want to move forward with that, there is a financial ticket to that as well. So what

599
01:11:17,788 --> 01:11:20,925
you are doing is looking at things, if you go down there today, there's very little use because we are off-season. On

600
01:11:25,729 --> 01:11:25,729
season, there's room for parking, we have become a

601
01:11:30,501 --> 01:11:33,437
destination, we are probably the most utilized public facilities I have ever seen when it comes to the waterfront. For all these

602
01:11:40,177 --> 01:11:40,177
years, I've had to balance public use with business and it

603
01:11:44,348 --> 01:11:44,348
has been very challenging at times and we deal with issues on

604
01:11:48,852 --> 01:11:48,852
a daily basis, weekly basis down there to try to keep things

605
01:11:53,724 --> 01:11:53,724
floating along. So on top of that, we have all these events

606
01:11:58,395 --> 01:12:02,099
that occur around the facilities, so there is another balancing act. With that, the events are very vital to this

607
01:12:11,175 --> 01:12:12,809
community, so I'm very pro-events as well. The question is, how do we balance this space with everything that goes on

608
01:12:15,879 --> 01:12:15,879
down on the waterfront? And I think we hit the nail on the

609
01:12:21,651 --> 01:12:21,651
head where we need to look at that area from the manatee

610
01:12:26,056 --> 01:12:26,056
center north, can these components that we are using,

611
01:12:31,128 --> 01:12:33,664
you guys are proposing on the south side of the marina facility, do we potentially shift some of that to the north

612
01:12:35,532 --> 01:12:35,532
side as well? I think that needs to be looked at, I think this

613
01:12:42,305 --> 01:12:45,208
whole project needs to be looked at as a whole coin instead of piecing it out. With that, financially, I'm worried about

614
01:12:51,248 --> 01:12:55,218
the financial side of things, you are pushing people farther out, I think you said you had roughly 200 vendors set up right

615
01:13:00,757 --> 01:13:00,757
now you only have 100 parking spots. And whenever there is

616
01:13:08,665 --> 01:13:10,833
action, there's going to be a reaction so what is going to happen is we are going to push people out and once that

617
01:13:14,638 --> 01:13:16,573
happens, it is going to move people across the street to park, now you are going to impact the businesses on second

618
01:13:19,675 --> 01:13:19,675
street because they are going to say where is the parking for us

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now? So be very cognizant of the moves, the chess pieces you are moving because that's what this is. So, we talked about

620
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financially, I can see the boaters coming into the marina, we have become a destination for their vessels. Some months,

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during the off-season, I think our busiest month was 240

622
01:14:01,618 --> 01:14:04,487
vessels, so we have become very transient heavy, that has been our goal and objective, we turned to transient because we

623
01:14:12,895 --> 01:14:12,895
had a new hotel going in across the street, then it'll get even

624
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:22,772
busier because of the use of the hotel, people want to come and buy boats, so we have that demand along the waterfront.

625
01:14:26,843 --> 01:14:26,843
what I'm saying is, with that, we talked about impacting the

626
01:14:32,148 --> 01:14:35,417
second street or the businesses downtown, it will impact the revenue of cobb's landing because where are the people

627
01:14:39,022 --> 01:14:39,022
going to park for comms landing? With that impact, people are

628
01:14:52,302 --> 01:14:52,302
going to have to walk farther but what I do see is older

629
01:14:58,375 --> 01:15:00,443
people that try to walk that direction, so the question is, how can they go ahead with their walkers and so on and so forth,

630
01:15:06,315 --> 01:15:06,315
how are they going to get to crabbies? With all these

631
01:15:17,426 --> 01:15:17,426
revenues, this is the financial impact to the city of fort

632
01:15:21,831 --> 01:15:21,831
pierce, it is positive cash flow so I think we are going to have

633
01:15:28,104 --> 01:15:28,104
to be very cognizant of that. So with that, if you are down there

634
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:40,482
in the mornings, it is one delivery truck after another, after another, I know they tried to make accommodations.

635
01:15:42,985 --> 01:15:42,985
sometimes I see they have to spin around and wait or whatever

636
01:15:48,057 --> 01:15:51,927
until some move out of the way because it gets busy, especially during season, all of these restaurants are loading up, we

637
01:15:56,198 --> 01:15:59,201
have a tanker that needs to drop off fuel, I wish there was another way of doing it but we have to deal with that aspect of

638
01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:04,039
doing it. Another big concern I have, whatever you do down

639
01:16:10,846 --> 01:16:13,615
there, you start to have a failing seawall on the downtown side of the square so that will need to be addressed before you

640
01:16:18,721 --> 01:16:18,721
do anything major down there. And the city engineer, the new

641
01:16:24,260 --> 01:16:26,762
city engineer, we've had a conversation with him and he has come down and looked at it. That needs to be inspected, to get an

642
01:16:38,907 --> 01:16:42,678
estimation of how many years it has left with that seawall. And I think all in all what we have to deal with, I think we do a

643
01:16:46,782 --> 01:16:46,782
fairly decent job. One thing I never forget in my head, I had

644
01:16:54,656 --> 01:16:57,325
somebody that was passing through that was visiting the city and says you know what, this city and this area is so

645
01:17:02,831 --> 01:17:02,831
clean, you go to plymouth rock and it's just nasty. But, you

646
01:17:08,036 --> 01:17:08,036
come to downtown fort pierce and around the marina area, they

647
01:17:14,109 --> 01:17:14,109
couldn't believe how clean the area is. And we are very

648
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,350
prideful of what we have in that area so as you can see, we went ahead and painted our buildings again this year, always trying

649
01:17:25,654 --> 01:17:25,654
to upgrade the landscaping. So I don't have anything else to

650
01:17:36,498 --> 01:17:36,498
say, projects are good, but the question is, is this the place?

651
01:17:41,369 --> 01:17:41,369
is there a better formula that can accommodate more vehicles?

652
01:17:46,141 --> 01:17:49,611
to answer this entire problem, it is the parking garage across the street. There needs to be a parking garage and it would

653
01:17:52,881 --> 01:17:52,881
diffuse every bit of this which means that more businesses will

654
01:17:57,318 --> 01:18:00,956
be able to accommodate more customers. Right now when there's not enough parking, and the customers are not coming to

655
01:18:05,627 --> 01:18:05,627
downtown. And that's just the reality of it. Can answer any

656
01:18:14,102 --> 01:18:15,336
questions? >> a couple questions, then we are going to close this out point I appreciate the input.

657
01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:25,079
the question I have for you and keeping in mind that the city of

658
01:18:30,084 --> 01:18:32,920
fort pierce has commissioned enough parking studies to wallpaper that wall back there. I don't need another parking

659
01:18:35,623 --> 01:18:35,623
study, what I need, or what I'm is that we need you folks to do

660
01:18:44,366 --> 01:18:47,835
an analysis as to determine what are your parking needs? We don't know, we are throwing a dart at the wall, if we can have

661
01:18:53,807 --> 01:18:55,576
you guys with boots on the ground, dealing with your customers every day, you know how many boats are going out, if

662
01:18:58,412 --> 01:19:02,049
you can compute that over a few months, including sometimes during the season, that will help massively to determine what

663
01:19:06,754 --> 01:19:06,754
does the marina need? We are speculating, we have no clue.

664
01:19:12,493 --> 01:19:15,095
>> is that something you think you could enumerate over some point in time? >> absolutely, we had that

665
01:19:22,337 --> 01:19:22,337
conversation this afternoon, we are going to hire a code

666
01:19:28,409 --> 01:19:30,979
enforcement officer for the marina and we can designate him to do a vehicle count so we do have some numbers associated

667
01:19:34,148 --> 01:19:34,148
with the marina itself so we are not just talking.

668
01:19:38,419 --> 01:19:41,922
>> that would be massively helpful to be able to plug this into the matrix. As far as designated parking potentially

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01:19:45,959 --> 01:19:45,959
for the marina itself, so get with the city manager on that.

670
01:19:51,967 --> 01:19:51,967
>> certainly we need to keep the master plan in front of us, we

671
01:19:56,370 --> 01:19:56,370
want to look at the marina and I believe that we need to broaden

672
01:20:03,277 --> 01:20:06,948
the market of visitors coming to the marina and we are looking at that space as a whole strategically. You talked about

673
01:20:09,784 --> 01:20:09,784
the pain points and the design we have doesn't capture the

674
01:20:15,789 --> 01:20:15,789
growth of the marina but the growth depends on economic

675
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:20,160
impact, in terms of the parking and the docking spaces we have,

676
01:20:24,264 --> 01:20:24,264
that impacts the economics. So I don't know exactly if that was

677
01:20:31,538 --> 01:20:35,309
quantified, I just know hypothetically, but on the marina side, we can quantify that number is on the growth we

678
01:20:38,312 --> 01:20:38,312
are talking about and the parking is required. So if you

679
01:20:45,886 --> 01:20:45,886
are looking at the growth of the marina and expanding the docking

680
01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:55,596
space, we need to quantify that and we can turn and look at the economic benefit that this project brings us, certainly it

681
01:20:57,297 --> 01:21:01,268
brings, I would imagine, a number of increased foot traffic downtown and broadening the market but I think when you look

682
01:21:04,304 --> 01:21:04,304
at the growth, the design and base it on the intent of the

683
01:21:14,148 --> 01:21:16,282
master plan and keep that in front of us, that is where we can have our focus but certainly we have an existing business, we

684
01:21:19,053 --> 01:21:19,053
want to expand the growth and we have to keep that in mind. And

685
01:21:24,724 --> 01:21:28,395
look at the growth of the broader market, the children, the visitors, we want to have the jazz and the cultural

686
01:21:30,597 --> 01:21:34,268
center, but how do we do that by maintaining the existing flavor of the marina and not lose the concept of it being a marina. So

687
01:21:39,406 --> 01:21:39,406
we will get back together, I did mention earlier to our director

688
01:21:46,446 --> 01:21:49,483
that we are going to get together next week with the planning department, the engineering department and we

689
01:21:51,718 --> 01:21:51,718
will discuss internally what the needs are and we still need to

690
01:21:57,957 --> 01:21:57,957
get out to the public and get their input based on what we

691
01:22:04,764 --> 01:22:07,267
discussed internally because ultimately it is going to be for the public's use, we want to show we are addressing their

692
01:22:09,736 --> 01:22:12,072
needs as well as looking at the future needs of the city from a business perspective. >> okay, so commissioners, I

693
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:13,740
think we have given quite a bit of time to this, with that, I

694
01:22:19,345 --> 01:22:23,283
want to say thank you for presenting and receiving the feedback, I want to say thank you to the public for the

695
01:22:27,287 --> 01:22:27,287
feedback, there will be many more opportunities for feedback.

696
01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:32,425
and as we explore further, I don't think we have to take any

697
01:22:40,967 --> 01:22:43,436
action on this, we can move on to the next item. Thank you guys, appreciate it. >> sunrise event center

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01:22:50,944 --> 01:22:50,944
schematic design presentation by architects design collaborative.

699
01:22:58,351 --> 01:23:00,386
>> this is the design for the rooftop of the parking garage which gives us a beautiful view of the city and we have a

700
01:23:04,924 --> 01:23:04,924
rendering of that and that will be presented to us for

701
01:23:11,831 --> 01:23:11,831
discussion. We have been talking about this space for quite some

702
01:23:15,902 --> 01:23:18,104
time and we think we have a beautiful asset, I know certain commissioners have certain wads of what they would like to see

703
01:23:22,842 --> 01:23:26,345
it become. No more parking, we want a rooftop spot. What do we have, ms. Garcia? >> yes, good evening, per your

704
01:23:33,987 --> 01:23:36,255
request during a previous conference agenda meeting, we are pleased to present the next step in the fourth floor of the

705
01:23:40,559 --> 01:23:40,559
sunrise center, possible event center, to be in the process ,

706
01:23:49,635 --> 01:23:52,872
we hired the architects to develop the conceptual plan which outlines the possible layout and the use of this space. The proposed event center has potential to bring several

707
01:23:56,608 --> 01:23:56,608
key benefits to our community including increased revenue

708
01:24:01,614 --> 01:24:01,614
opportunities, through rentals and private and public events,

709
01:24:07,953 --> 01:24:09,589
enhanced community engagement and activation of the underutilized space of the sunrise center. We have invited

710
01:24:12,091 --> 01:24:12,091
danny and the team toshare the concept and the vision behind

711
01:24:17,996 --> 01:24:17,996
the proposed layout, so they will be taking it from here.

712
01:24:24,202 --> 01:24:25,972
>> thank you, good evening, members of the commission, members of the board, the architects design collaborative

713
01:24:33,579 --> 01:24:33,579
with me tonight, and jasmine is also on our design member team.

714
01:24:40,919 --> 01:24:43,021
we are going to go from the macro down to the micro when we talk about the event center. It is a small space but

715
01:24:46,572 --> 01:24:49,442
has great potential, certainly for the city and the activities that have been planned and I think you have been looking

716
01:24:56,982 --> 01:25:00,887
forward to this for a long time, so I'm going to turn it over to danny and jasmine and they can give you the presentation we

717
01:25:03,322 --> 01:25:04,823
have for you tonight. Thank you. >> I'm danny diaz from architects design collaborative,

718
01:25:13,999 --> 01:25:16,234
thank you for the opportunity for us to present our shared vision for the event center. This presentation is going to be

719
01:25:20,505 --> 01:25:20,505
in three parts. The floor plans that we created, the material

720
01:25:24,976 --> 01:25:24,976
selections and finally the renderings. First, if jasmine

721
01:25:34,353 --> 01:25:34,353
can share the floor plans, as noted, this is located in the

722
01:25:39,358 --> 01:25:39,358
sunrise center and it is the fourth floor, 7200 square feet,

723
01:25:47,466 --> 01:25:47,466
and the floor plan as you can see in the middle of the pdf,

724
01:25:52,537 --> 01:25:52,537
sorry for the jump to that page, but I figure it would be best to

725
01:25:59,311 --> 01:25:59,311
show this first, the floor plan where we will have four meeting

726
01:26:03,982 --> 01:26:03,982
banquet hall spaces that would be approximately 900 square feet

727
01:26:11,523 --> 01:26:11,523
each, accommodating approximately 50 to 60 occupants

728
01:26:17,095 --> 01:26:17,095
per space. So with the four spaces, we have the flexibility

729
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:22,000
of expanding them to one huge space combining all four spaces

730
01:26:27,005 --> 01:26:27,005
as one. This would be the vision for a large wedding event,

731
01:26:31,876 --> 01:26:31,876
talking about weddings in this space, we have the bridegroom.

732
01:26:39,084 --> 01:26:39,084
we have the bridal room change provided, as you can see next to

733
01:26:46,191 --> 01:26:46,191
the bathrooms, they will be up to the lobby space and

734
01:26:51,929 --> 01:26:55,399
additionally, we have space for the furniture's that will be provided as well for the project. You will note that in

735
01:27:02,207 --> 01:27:05,410
the material selection portion of the presentation, also additional to that would be the bar area, next to the warming

736
01:27:12,885 --> 01:27:12,885
kitchen. So we have a warming kitchen and stays pretty much

737
01:27:18,957 --> 01:27:18,957
next to the four larger spaces in the floor plan. This is the

738
01:27:27,599 --> 01:27:27,599
layout, some examples, the one to the left is the overall -- is

739
01:27:38,443 --> 01:27:38,443
the sound popping? >> know, is -- it's okay.

740
01:27:46,985 --> 01:27:46,985
>> okay, in the larger space, you have a dance floor and the

741
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:52,390
roundtables and here right, you have the spaces individually

742
01:27:57,428 --> 01:27:57,428
segmented with movable partition walls, acoustic movable

743
01:28:05,202 --> 01:28:07,839
partition walls, so that space is more so for your classrooms or meetings. You have conference layout, you have pretty much

744
01:28:13,277 --> 01:28:13,277
three concepts there, the small venue, wedding venue, a

745
01:28:18,215 --> 01:28:18,215
classroom and a conference set up. This is quickly are

746
01:28:28,826 --> 01:28:32,330
reflected ceiling plan, I'm showing the division of the lighting. We have a -- acoustic ceiling tiles. So this is the

747
01:29:05,596 --> 01:29:07,765
first presentation or access point into the space which is the reception lobby area . You have your seating area and your

748
01:29:21,878 --> 01:29:21,878
reception desks . And you can see with the wallpaper, the

749
01:29:34,659 --> 01:29:36,527
concept we are trying to tie into this project which is getting a little history of fort pierce. This is the start of the

750
01:29:42,399 --> 01:29:42,399
history of fort pierce on the left and if you go to the next,

751
01:29:47,771 --> 01:29:50,773
it will carry into the corridor space as a linear element to the project, also adding to the pot -- concept is the motif of the

752
01:29:56,179 --> 01:29:59,984
train tracks which you will see on the ceiling where it creates these rail tie designs incorporated there. So we are

753
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:09,760
planning on wrapping up that service area pretty much with

754
01:30:14,065 --> 01:30:15,699
the wallpaper and adding these features, you have the floor with a nice wood tone, and your lighting fixtures. And the bar

755
01:30:31,148 --> 01:30:33,416
area next to the warming kitchen, the warming area is adjacent to the bar and vice versa, so they can go back and

756
01:30:35,653 --> 01:30:35,653
forth, the service team while a wedding venue is being conducted

757
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:40,490
to serve the guests. And interesting, that image shows of

758
01:30:47,598 --> 01:30:47,598
a historical image of the lagoon in fort pierce, which I thought

759
01:30:56,406 --> 01:30:56,406
was a nice touch. >> you have been to that area

760
01:31:01,478 --> 01:31:05,149
before. >> yes, I have. >> this is the open space where you have the movable walls and

761
01:31:08,518 --> 01:31:08,518
the full space configuration opens to all four spaces. You

762
01:31:14,591 --> 01:31:14,591
have carpet flooring and acoustic ceiling tile of course

763
01:31:18,862 --> 01:31:18,862
for sound. And we created a wing around to give protection with

764
01:31:26,836 --> 01:31:26,836
the chairs on the walls. Of course you can see very lightly

765
01:31:31,674 --> 01:31:31,674
the ocean horizon off to the east, or rather straight ahead

766
01:31:36,612 --> 01:31:36,612
on the image, on the screen. >> so each of the partitions

767
01:31:47,991 --> 01:31:47,991
will have the ability to have drop-down screens and lcd.

768
01:31:52,863 --> 01:31:52,863
>> yes, I forgot to mention, the east base has a projector and

769
01:31:58,434 --> 01:31:58,434
scroll down screen. You will see in the rolldown screen, it is

770
01:32:04,707 --> 01:32:04,707
concealed, so it is very minimalist, contemporary look we

771
01:32:10,346 --> 01:32:10,346
are trying to achieve. A little bit of the material selections

772
01:32:16,453 --> 01:32:19,789
that we are suggesting, of course we could modify it and tweak as we go along, this is the schematic design phase and

773
01:32:27,963 --> 01:32:27,963
little highlights of the tones of wood in the ceiling. The

774
01:32:38,808 --> 01:32:38,808
flooring, you have your wooden flooring and carpet tile, we are

775
01:32:44,247 --> 01:32:44,247
trying to create a swath of florida coastal colors.

776
01:32:51,621 --> 01:32:51,621
>> what is a carpet tile, you mentioned carpet and I had a

777
01:32:57,459 --> 01:32:57,459
concern with that with the amount of volume and perhaps

778
01:33:06,068 --> 01:33:10,005
that versus a wooden floor that could be maintained easier than having to steam clean or whatever. I'm concerned about

779
01:33:14,811 --> 01:33:14,811
this, what did you call it? >> it is squares, you use them

780
01:33:20,983 --> 01:33:20,983
in heavy traffic areas, you can take those and replace them. It

781
01:33:27,822 --> 01:33:27,822
is made for high-traffic areas where you will have that type of

782
01:33:33,629 --> 01:33:33,629
potential. And it solves that problem.

783
01:33:38,767 --> 01:33:38,767
>> I learn something every day. >> and the tile portion is

784
01:33:58,153 --> 01:33:58,153
easily replaceable. A little bit of the lighting selection that

785
01:34:02,625 --> 01:34:02,625
we have, in the lobby area, some down lighting, creating the

786
01:34:10,365 --> 01:34:10,365
overall environment for this space and the corridor we have

787
01:34:14,403 --> 01:34:17,639
linear lights again, going back to the train track montage and history of fort pierce . A little bit of the wallpaper,

788
01:34:25,214 --> 01:34:25,214
this is conceptual, but again, we collected the historical

789
01:34:30,085 --> 01:34:30,085
images from the archives and we are looking forward to actually

790
01:34:34,890 --> 01:34:34,890
putting more information and studying into the wallpaper and

791
01:34:40,997 --> 01:34:40,997
installation. And a little bit of the wallpaper, the wallpaper

792
01:34:45,701 --> 01:34:45,701
is vinyl but wallpaper which is not your typical wallpaper is

793
01:34:52,841 --> 01:34:52,841
very durable. The furniture, this is a little taste of the

794
01:35:01,517 --> 01:35:04,953
furniture, we have furniture vendors in house that we coordinate with andy's art, just for an example, a selection of that to match the motif in this space. Same with the tables

795
01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:14,430
within the meeting and banquet hall, there's some stackable

796
01:35:21,068 --> 01:35:24,606
conference and classroom style tables and your standard brown banquet foldable tables for weddings. And now a little bit

797
01:35:39,587 --> 01:35:41,089
of the rendering portion, this is a layout with the classrooms with those same tables and the closed acoustic movable walls.

798
01:35:47,195 --> 01:35:47,195
this is a conference layout. This is the dance floor and the

799
01:35:57,472 --> 01:35:57,472
banquet layout . And we will show you our final renderings of

800
01:36:02,877 --> 01:36:02,877
this space with people to give a sense of scale. This is the

801
01:36:13,054 --> 01:36:13,054
reception area. The corridor space. The bar area and the

802
01:36:22,764 --> 01:36:22,764
banquet, that is it. Thank you. >> so I'm guessing the

803
01:36:31,605 --> 01:36:31,605
schematics, the restroom layout was probably the end of the

804
01:36:37,445 --> 01:36:39,179
hallway. >> if I can show you quickly on the floor plan, you will see next to the warming kitchen,

805
01:36:41,550 --> 01:36:41,550
there is a public restroom, men's and women's.

806
01:36:46,454 --> 01:36:46,454
>> okay, I figured it was there somewhere.

807
01:36:51,425 --> 01:36:51,425
>> and next to that will be a bride room.

808
01:36:58,432 --> 01:36:58,432
>> okay. Questions? >> my only comment is, we don't

809
01:37:10,144 --> 01:37:12,646
get to talk about a lot of fun things up here. This is fun and this is a project that has been talked about, first off I find

810
01:37:19,654 --> 01:37:23,157
being involved in commercial space, I find your design to be very efficient and excellent utilization of a small block of

811
01:37:27,595 --> 01:37:30,865
space and context to what it is utilized for. I like the idea of the room separation so if you have an organization having

812
01:37:36,203 --> 01:37:38,806
multiple functions at one time, they can have different classrooms and presenters and things of this nature, I find it

813
01:37:40,741 --> 01:37:40,741
to be very flexible and a ton of possibilities. So you guys did a

814
01:37:52,886 --> 01:37:55,890
great job. I have no criticisms. I will look at the plan in much more detail to see if I can find something that I would look to

815
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:00,160
change, but I find it to be highly efficient and I think

816
01:38:05,299 --> 01:38:07,467
precisely what we were targeting when we started down this path so the question is, you are at a conceptual stage right now, we

817
01:38:13,574 --> 01:38:13,574
would subsequently have to get into full design, correct? Have

818
01:38:18,412 --> 01:38:18,412
we seen any proposals for a full design?

819
01:38:22,415 --> 01:38:22,415
>> we have not. We did get probable cause within the

820
01:38:30,257 --> 01:38:34,127
schematic plans but we have not gotten full design. >> I'm going to ask the multimillion dollar question,

821
01:38:35,329 --> 01:38:35,329
how much to build this? >> approximately 215.

822
01:38:43,203 --> 01:38:43,203
>> 215 per foot? And that includes sphincter systems,

823
01:38:48,976 --> 01:38:48,976
chiller units, all that stuff? All the mechanicals are

824
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:57,350
included? I'm surprised it is that low, I hope your number is

825
01:39:01,422 --> 01:39:03,724
correct. I'm just saying realistically, I hope your number is right. So I would advocate just from my one seat

826
01:39:10,263 --> 01:39:13,833
here, and see what my fellow commissioners have to say, I would suggest moving to the design phase of this but let's

827
01:39:17,470 --> 01:39:17,470
see what you guys want to do. >> yes, this is something that

828
01:39:22,242 --> 01:39:22,242
I've been talking about since I've been up here, we need it,

829
01:39:27,948 --> 01:39:27,948
as you all know, my fellow commissioners know, the

830
01:39:32,085 --> 01:39:32,085
riverwalk is booked through next year so unless there's

831
01:39:44,631 --> 01:39:47,934
cancellations you cannot go to the riverwalk and the garden center is closed, it is out of operation right now so again, in

832
01:39:49,969 --> 01:39:49,969
the city of fort pierce, a meeting space like this where

833
01:39:56,676 --> 01:39:59,513
you could go out and look and see the water and see everything is just fun and like I said, I love the idea. One question, I

834
01:40:10,391 --> 01:40:10,391
must have forgot it, when you open up all four, what is the

835
01:40:21,602 --> 01:40:21,602
total number, what is the total number of people we could get in

836
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:33,280
the floor? >> we are looking at 250 to 300.

837
01:40:44,090 --> 01:40:46,994
>> okay. That is a good number because you can work with different tables, set that up. Okay. That was my question. I

838
01:40:58,738 --> 01:41:01,508
actually love the wallpaper idea with the history of fort pierce tied into the railroad tracks . That is kind of personal to me

839
01:41:09,648 --> 01:41:09,648
because that's how my family came to fort pierce in the 30s,

840
01:41:13,919 --> 01:41:13,919
because of the railroad tracks. And established residence in

841
01:41:18,658 --> 01:41:18,658
fort pierce so I would suggest, she's not here tonight but if

842
01:41:24,364 --> 01:41:24,364
you really wanted a history to make sure your murals are right,

843
01:41:28,902 --> 01:41:28,902
and she will let you know every history point, everything that

844
01:41:37,009 --> 01:41:37,009
you want to know. I love that idea.

845
01:41:44,784 --> 01:41:44,784
>> thank you for that. I think we are at a point where we kind

846
01:41:51,090 --> 01:41:54,359
of like what we are seeing as far as the renderings, I don't know what the next steps are with this but I do want to echo

847
01:41:58,264 --> 01:41:58,264
that not only events, but this is going to bring business to

848
01:42:02,902 --> 01:42:02,902
downtown fort pierce, we are going to be able to host small

849
01:42:07,539 --> 01:42:10,609
workshops, homebuyer sessions, whatever we need to do to communicate to the public, this provides a great opportunity and

850
01:42:14,446 --> 01:42:18,217
it allows for the outside businesses, if they are looking for meeting space, they may not have meeting space, this allows

851
01:42:22,355 --> 01:42:22,355
us to generate some semblance of revenue and provide professional

852
01:42:26,426 --> 01:42:29,896
upgraded standard for entrepreneurs in our community who are looking to entertain clients in a very professional

853
01:42:33,900 --> 01:42:33,900
environment down here. So I really like it, thank you for

854
01:42:40,506 --> 01:42:42,808
pulling this together, I think it really resonates with what we are trying to do and creates an opportunity for us revenue wise

855
01:42:46,511 --> 01:42:46,511
and it gives us a very functional space for us. So, how

856
01:42:54,019 --> 01:42:54,019
is it hearing this information?

857
01:42:58,189 --> 01:42:58,189
>> I would talk about next steps, you mentioned 250 per

858
01:43:04,196 --> 01:43:07,432
square foot, I would like the itemized cost on that to see, when we move toward the design stage, we can get a real cost

859
01:43:15,140 --> 01:43:17,909
estimate and see what that looks like and we can discuss it more internally and talk about time frames and project schedules and

860
01:43:20,612 --> 01:43:21,914
just going forward with the project. I think the next stage we will talk about the design, the conceptual design and we can

861
01:43:26,184 --> 01:43:26,184
discuss it internally to see if it does change. We can bring it

862
01:43:31,523 --> 01:43:31,523
back based on specifics and also the project cost.

863
01:43:37,262 --> 01:43:39,164
>> one more thing I wanted to mention with regard to the cost and that is this cost does not include reroofing which is a

864
01:43:44,869 --> 01:43:44,869
problem on the building as it sits today so there's a pretty

865
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:51,943
good possibility you will have to add some money to the project to get some roofing work done on that fourth roof. It is a tpo,

866
01:44:02,387 --> 01:44:02,387
it is a particular style or material, a rollout type of

867
01:44:08,994 --> 01:44:12,798
roofing. It may have a warranty in place because is generally come with a 25 year manufacturer's warranty, if it

868
01:44:18,803 --> 01:44:18,803
was installed by a roofer , but my only comment was going to be,

869
01:44:38,756 --> 01:44:39,958
this is the perfect case scenario where to get accurate numbers, we need full design drawings. We need mechanical,

870
01:44:46,565 --> 01:44:48,032
electrical, anything, we don't want any variables, we have the opportunity to get this right one time and before everybody's

871
01:44:51,903 --> 01:44:55,773
head explodes, we are not going to have change order upon change order so I will incorporate up-front and I agree, go with

872
01:45:00,077 --> 01:45:00,077
the team and see what is going to take to do that. So we keep

873
01:45:09,254 --> 01:45:11,289
it in-house, they have the concept plan, they know what they are dealing with here. The roofing issue, 4000 square feet

874
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:15,760
of roof? >> thereabouts.

875
01:45:21,599 --> 01:45:21,599
>> okay. Well we have an empty space right now that is just

876
01:45:29,373 --> 01:45:32,744
sitting there after 20 years and we are looking to make it a functional space, so I think we have clear direction on that.

877
01:45:34,045 --> 01:45:34,045
thank you, thank you for coming. Item c.

878
01:45:42,053 --> 01:45:42,053
>> consideration of continuation of fifth standard tesla vehicle

879
01:45:47,625 --> 01:45:47,625
in freebee fleet and approve execution of a second contract

880
01:45:55,166 --> 01:45:56,734
amendment to the master service agreement. >> we have an option for renewal related to the freebee service

881
01:46:00,804 --> 01:46:00,804
we are receiving and also option to add a fifth vehicle. And I

882
01:46:08,379 --> 01:46:10,581
believe ms. Delgado has the presentation. >> mr. Chair, one second here. As you know in december we added

883
01:46:21,525 --> 01:46:21,525
the fifth standard tesla vehicle, this was to help

884
01:46:26,063 --> 01:46:26,063
alleviate the wait time so we are revisiting, if we are going

885
01:46:31,169 --> 01:46:31,169
to add it for another fiscal year which would be one year or

886
01:46:37,308 --> 01:46:37,308
the remainder of the contract term which is until may, 2027.

887
01:46:55,693 --> 01:46:57,662
it's going to provide the two options again, the expansion would start october 1st, 2025 and be ending within 12 months

888
01:47:04,301 --> 01:47:04,301
time period, the cost would remain the same, and where we

889
01:47:08,606 --> 01:47:08,606
have option two which will start october 1st, 2025 and and the

890
01:47:15,313 --> 01:47:15,313
contract term, may, 2027. The contract term would be the same

891
01:47:25,890 --> 01:47:28,158
, $8822, from what I can tell with the wait times, I'm going to make this sound as not complicated but because we added

892
01:47:37,501 --> 01:47:39,670
the fifth standard tesla vehicle, the ridership increased but the wait time remained the same.

893
01:47:47,844 --> 01:47:51,147
>> that means the demand is still high. We have more vehicles moving the people but the wait time is not coming

894
01:47:58,922 --> 01:48:00,390
down. >> the wait time is usually 20 to 25 minutes. >> what is the customer feedback

895
01:48:05,795 --> 01:48:05,795
as a result of wait time? Are we getting any type of feedback?

896
01:48:13,403 --> 01:48:13,403
>> we haven't received any complaints.

897
01:48:17,974 --> 01:48:20,844
>> okay. I think people are not happy with the wait time, they just are reconciled to it, they understand it is a free service

898
01:48:24,147 --> 01:48:24,147
and they are taking advantage of it, which is great. So I think

899
01:48:29,853 --> 01:48:32,455
we hit the nail on the head, we have a successful program here, and we should keep going. >> yes, these two options are

900
01:48:38,728 --> 01:48:38,728
what you are looking for feedback from us on, to me?

901
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:44,400
>> yes, you can choose option one or option two.

902
01:48:49,873 --> 01:48:51,441
>> it's the same cost. >> I would run it through the end of the term. >> I was going to say the same

903
01:48:57,247 --> 01:48:57,247
thing because if we stopped that fifth vehicle next year, wait

904
01:49:03,053 --> 01:49:06,923
times are going to go up because we are going to lose a car so we might as well keep it going for option two and then come back in

905
01:49:12,061 --> 01:49:12,061
2027 to see where we are. >> I'm okay with that. Do we

906
01:49:19,602 --> 01:49:19,602
need a motion of this, madame attorney?

907
01:49:25,675 --> 01:49:25,675
>> I think a motion giving direction would be appropriate.

908
01:49:31,014 --> 01:49:31,014
>> okay, I will make a motion that we choose option two

909
01:49:36,286 --> 01:49:36,286
regarding the fifth vehicle to extend it till the end of the

910
01:49:42,158 --> 01:49:42,158
original contract in may of 2027.

911
01:49:48,097 --> 01:49:48,097
>> second. >> commissioner gaines ?

912
01:49:53,269 --> 01:49:53,269
commissioner johnson? Commissioner broaddrick?

913
01:49:57,406 --> 01:49:57,406
>> yes, ma'am. >> please keep us apprised, I

914
01:50:03,445 --> 01:50:05,648
don't know if we are doing quarterly updates. >> we just had a recent one, for the six months, and we can do

915
01:50:11,554 --> 01:50:11,554
another six months. >> we are getting ready to get

916
01:50:17,193 --> 01:50:20,095
into the season right now so as we get past the season a little bit, it would be good to get some feedback. Okay. We are now

917
01:50:30,406 --> 01:50:30,406
to 8e. >> fpra resolution 25-14

918
01:50:39,047 --> 01:50:39,047
entering an interlocal funding agreement between fpra and the

919
01:50:44,821 --> 01:50:48,390
city of fort pierce for the indian river drive corridor improvements project in an amount not to exceed $3 million.

920
01:50:57,266 --> 01:51:00,235
>> we dealt with this yesterday, so it is just a matter of formalizing it to the fpra. >> I just wanted to point out,

921
01:51:04,473 --> 01:51:07,276
this is a new approach, there are several partnership projects, you mentioned avenue d earlier tonight, between the

922
01:51:13,782 --> 01:51:17,653
city, sometimes the state grant funds and it is important for us as a board and to really identify our funding and how it

923
01:51:23,826 --> 01:51:26,061
is going to be used and create that in a formal interlocal agreement so this will be our new approach moving forward.

924
01:51:28,297 --> 01:51:28,297
just wanted to point that out. >> thank you. Motion to approve

925
01:51:34,337 --> 01:51:34,337
point you mexican. >> commissioner gains?

926
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:44,546
commissioner johnson? >> yes. >> next item. >> resolution 25-15,

927
01:51:55,857 --> 01:51:55,857
redevelopment agency , a special district certified in the

928
01:52:00,796 --> 01:52:04,700
appointment of members to the community redevelopment agency advisory committee and providing for an effective date, I have prepared the written ballots for this, or if you prefer, we could

929
01:52:06,902 --> 01:52:06,902
do a voice vote. >> and how many candidates do we

930
01:52:11,105 --> 01:52:11,105
have? So we have to get one person out of how many?

931
01:52:15,777 --> 01:52:15,777
>> eight people on the list, sir. It is 7:00 right now, at

932
01:52:26,355 --> 01:52:29,224
least send a list over so we can have that in front of us and we can look at that and -- >> this is about to be very

933
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:37,332
interesting. >> yes, one person on this list out of the eight, okay. So I have two pallets and I will only

934
01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:48,109
use one, okay. So could you read the names please? For the

935
01:52:56,017 --> 01:52:56,017
record, please. >> anthony adams, quincy, dennis

936
01:53:04,092 --> 01:53:04,092
beach, lucienne lewis, janet marty, jessica sampson.

937
01:53:12,267 --> 01:53:12,267
>> okay, so if you want to do five one time and we can go from

938
01:53:18,372 --> 01:53:18,372
there? What do you want to do? >> we have three different

939
01:53:35,556 --> 01:53:39,127
names. >> well, we will see. >> commissioner gaines , charlie. Commissioner johnson,

940
01:53:48,636 --> 01:53:48,636
the st. Louis. >> okay, I can keep this simple

941
01:53:56,478 --> 01:53:58,546
unless you want to hang out here for a couple more hours. I will change my vote to charlie to match commissioner gaines, so

942
01:54:02,684 --> 01:54:02,684
that will make it 2-1. >> okay, that is appropriate.

943
01:54:21,503 --> 01:54:21,503
>> we are going to take a motion. I will take a motion on

944
01:54:26,274 --> 01:54:29,111
this appointment for the committee redevelopment advisory committee. >> I will move.

945
01:54:32,246 --> 01:54:32,246
>> second. >> this is for resolution 25-15,

946
01:54:40,521 --> 01:54:40,521
to the appointment member of the community redevelopment agency.

947
01:54:51,432 --> 01:54:51,432
item g. >> number 25-16, authorizing or

948
01:55:08,849 --> 01:55:11,518
denying a second amendment to the grant agreement for the commercial facade improvement located at 207 orange avenue

949
01:55:12,887 --> 01:55:16,190
related to the request for an extension of time providing serviceability cause and providing for an effective date. >> staff, anybody? >> yes, our recipient who is in

950
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:22,696
the commission chambers is requesting a six month extension, that will be the second amendment to the facade

951
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:26,600
agreement. >> who is the applicant?

952
01:55:30,637 --> 01:55:30,637
>> miss einstein and staff is recommending granting the

953
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:43,783
extension. And from a legal perspective, this is with in accordance, and we didn't challenge anything written

954
01:55:47,855 --> 01:55:48,788
legally? >> commissioner johnson, members of the board, the deadline to not amend that, but it is within

955
01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:01,101
your discretion to extend those deadlines so that is what this amendment does. You are not required to do it, you have the

956
01:56:06,006 --> 01:56:06,006
ability to do it or not, it is completely within your

957
01:56:12,079 --> 01:56:13,146
discretion. >> commissioners, any comments on what you read? Second to approve. Call the roll please?

958
01:56:27,527 --> 01:56:30,631
>> commissioner gaines, commissioner broaddrick , commissioner johnson? >> yes, ma'am.

959
01:56:33,099 --> 01:56:33,099
>> review and accept fiscal year 2026 fpra operating budget and

960
01:56:40,241 --> 01:56:40,241
capital improvement plan. >> we have the cit cfo and we

961
01:56:49,483 --> 01:56:49,483
have the fpra operating budget and capital improvement plan so

962
01:56:56,323 --> 01:56:57,491
we have seen the capital improvement but I know for the public if you want to review anything, that's fine but this

963
01:57:01,461 --> 01:57:01,461
is a part of the fpra operating budget that ms. Morris will

964
01:57:09,869 --> 01:57:09,869
cover. >> somebody is playing tricks on

965
01:57:47,807 --> 01:57:47,807
you, maybe they moved it. >> it is attached to the agenda,

966
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:08,895
but not the powerpoint, so we will go over the operating budget and just hit the hotspots, how's that?

967
01:58:17,470 --> 01:58:20,173
>> yes, I can see it now, thank you. >> good evening mr. Chair, and members of the board, we have

968
01:58:31,350 --> 01:58:34,620
the fpra budget we are presenting tonight for approval and the total budget is here, the 14,634,000, the highlights,

969
01:58:44,764 --> 01:58:44,764
we have 14,275,000 in ad valorem cost andndnd it is about a -- $

970
01:58:57,444 --> 01:58:59,179
million, I'm doing this by memory, increase from this current fiscal year, all other revenue remains constant but the

971
01:59:03,416 --> 01:59:03,416
major thing is the ad valorem and that is because we saw the

972
01:59:09,889 --> 01:59:09,889
10% increase in the ad valorem tax. As we look at our

973
01:59:20,466 --> 01:59:20,466
expenditures which would be on the next slide here. The major

974
01:59:26,706 --> 01:59:26,706
thing is in the capital, we have that $1.9 million in capital,

975
01:59:31,210 --> 01:59:31,210
the only other thing is in our projects, special projects, we

976
01:59:38,317 --> 01:59:38,317
do remain with the $350,000 for our school resource officers,

977
01:59:43,989 --> 01:59:43,989
the $500,000 for the community policing as well, we have the

978
01:59:48,461 --> 01:59:52,297
debt service payment of $3.5 million, we have continued with the 500,000 for the sunrise theater and to the transfer to

979
01:59:58,136 --> 02:00:01,473
general, we have that $1.5 million transfer to general for the amount that is owed for the years, the general debt service

980
02:00:10,348 --> 02:00:12,852
payments, we have a remaining balance of $1.9 million that we will transfer next fiscal year, hopefully we won't have to use

981
02:00:17,623 --> 02:00:21,093
it for any unforeseen's this fiscal year but we still have that option of that money that is owed, the last remaining

982
02:00:25,631 --> 02:00:25,631
transfer we will have and we have the $1.1 million for the f

983
02:00:33,972 --> 02:00:33,972
pre police officers for those. So that is what is making up the

984
02:00:40,479 --> 02:00:40,479
fpra, this $14 million budget that we are asking to have

985
02:00:47,319 --> 02:00:49,120
approved tonight. >> can you flip back to the first page, please? Just slide over to the descriptions on the

986
02:00:57,462 --> 02:00:57,462
revenue side. There was a line item for the lease. I see a net

987
02:01:08,006 --> 02:01:08,006
decline in revenue, okay, it has increased from 370, the

988
02:01:14,146 --> 02:01:14,146
component that this makes up is all real estate owned by fpra

989
02:01:21,153 --> 02:01:21,153
within the boundaries, correct? So it is not incorporating all

990
02:01:25,157 --> 02:01:25,157
real estate owned by the city? That was my only question, I

991
02:01:29,628 --> 02:01:32,731
want to be sure of that because I know there is a delineation, we have assets outside of the fpra boundaries , clearly.

992
02:01:37,335 --> 02:01:37,335
>> any other questions? Okay. Thank you ms. Morris, do you

993
02:01:47,213 --> 02:01:47,213
want to review capital? Okay. It is back to us to take a motion

994
02:01:58,890 --> 02:02:00,158
on this and move forward. >> I moved to approve. >> moved and second to approve the fiscal year budget.

995
02:02:05,330 --> 02:02:05,330
>> commissioner broaddrick? Commissioner gaines?

996
02:02:11,135 --> 02:02:11,135
commissioner johnson? >> yes, ma'am. We are down to

997
02:02:17,442 --> 02:02:17,442
staff comments. >> I have no updates.

998
02:02:24,249 --> 02:02:26,350
>> okay. >> mr. Chair, the report is attached to your agenda as it is every month, if you have any

999
02:02:30,022 --> 02:02:30,022
questions, let me know. It is good to see some of these

1000
02:02:37,128 --> 02:02:38,797
projects tonight advancing to the next stage, calculated approach is the key, we are measured with community input,

1001
02:02:42,333 --> 02:02:43,934
conceptual design, schematic design and then moving into the bid process, so looking forward to advancing this and thank you

1002
02:02:46,538 --> 02:02:46,538
for your time. >> I want to say thank you to

1003
02:02:50,608 --> 02:02:52,844
staff for working through this and taking the vision that we have at fpra and utilizing this to better the community. I think

1004
02:02:57,949 --> 02:03:00,584
the public is going to be excited about some of the things we are looking to try to do here but I also want to encourage

1005
02:03:04,156 --> 02:03:06,491
that we have to have a lot more engagement. There was quite a few comments, questions, concerns so we know we have a

1006
02:03:09,060 --> 02:03:12,997
lot more work to do to make sure we bring the public along and hear from them. And there were some other projects we heard

1007
02:03:17,801 --> 02:03:21,072
from earlier from a young man that spoke that got pulled from the agenda so I'm sure his concerns may have been

1008
02:03:24,342 --> 02:03:24,342
addressed. But we will take that up at a later date with the city

1009
02:03:28,546 --> 02:03:28,546
commission fpra. Any board comments?

1010
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>> commissioners and mr. Mayor, we are going to have to have a

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real serious conversation about a parking garage.

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>> a parking garage? >> another one, we have to have

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that conversation because we keep kicking the can down the road but I don't care how many palm trees we try to combine, we

1014
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are never going to catch up with what we all know is something about parking, so we have to make that hard decision to look

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at this space and try to come up with some grants or whatever, however we can do, to come up with some type of parking

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structure downtown because if we can do it, it will solve a lot

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of the problems and headaches that we have. So I wanted to say

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that because you know, sometimes the commissioners here, we get

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adamant to where we have positions but to the public that's listening, trust me, there is no animosity here. This

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is normal to go ahead and vote or say something different, but

1021
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we both love the city of fort pierce and it would be

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beneficial, to have a parking garage. And I know nobody wants to talk about spending money on a parking garage however, it

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would be beneficial to everything we are trying to do

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downtown. It would be beneficial for the downtown businesses and everything else. The second part is, I asked a favor for staff,

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going forward and I don't know if the invitation was sent or

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not, but when we have anything dealing with downtown, can we just make sure that some type of notification or letter, email,

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something that I can trace, at least go to these businesses

1028
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that they can have an input, where we can say we sent you an

1029
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email or invitation and you didn't show up because I don't

1030
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want anything going down there without at least them having some type of discussion or input. Even if they emailed to

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us, that is beneficial because everything we are trying to do on our side is helped downtown grow and downtown businesses who

1032
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are putting in their time and effort to make it what it is and

1033
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for them to have input again, I don't know, I didn't see it,

1034
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if they were that's fine, I appreciate that, let's just keep them in the loop because they are there every day. I

1035
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walked down there every now and then and I see what is going on but they are there every day. So other than that, everything was

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great tonight, thank you for staying. You know, making sure

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we get everything but mr. Mayor, again, we are going to have to

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have a serious discussion about a garage or some type of parking

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solution to help all of us, thank you. >> a follow-up on commissioner gaines's comment, and probably

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the parking czar of fort pierce, I need to get some hobbies or

1041
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something, I believe we had four studies done and like I said, could wallpaper the wall with them, they have all come up with

1042
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the same conclusion, we are short parking by the hundreds

1043
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and before I was on the commission, when I had a little bit more free time, obviously I have no hobbies because I did a

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complete analysis of every parking space under the city's control and downtown and all we have done since that is reduce

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that number, all for good reasons , the determination of

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all these studies was to centralize the parking utilizing city-owned land right behind the bistros, jcpenney's parking

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lot. And the numbers differed as far as quantity of space is

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concerned that the cost factors, somewhere in the vicinity of

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$35,000 per space to go vertical. However, in some of the earlier plans, it was pretty dynamic they had retail on the

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first floor, parking above, so you developed this concept to

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generate revenue to offset the bonding cost of building a garage so there were alternatives to offset the cost

1052
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but $35,000 per parking stall, you don't need a calculator to

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know you are in the $15 million range to build a garage. It's

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ultimately the only solution available, to increase parking.

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I have had debates with the head of the planning department about

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the future development of downtown area, and he disagrees with my assessment saying it is the municipalities

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responsibility to provide parking, the central business

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district runs the entire corridor , indicating where we

1059
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have to provide the parking. I don't agree with that assessment but that is a discussion for another day. So

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having said that, I agree with your assessment completely, it has stopped at the point of getting the recognition reports.

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I remember sitting right where cheyenne is sitting and speaking

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to the commission at the time about moving this forward.

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let's move forward to the cost estimating phase and come up with some revenue streams, that is why we are looking at paid

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parking in the downtown area, to be able to produce some type of revenue to cover the cost of those bonds. It is a very

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complicated issue. The only part that is not complicated is to say we have a significant shortfall of net parking

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downtown and the only way we are going to address it is to go vertical, that's the only solution. On that note, talking

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about income stream, it is relative to point out, indeed fpra district, we have $370,000 of gross revenue coming from

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city-owned property. That is not the entirety of the portfolio,

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we have a lot more real estate that is generating revenue and cost my due outside of the fpra boundaries. So we discussed

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this, at length, the need to enumerate those numbers and define, what are we doing with it, are we losing money on these

1071
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properties or generating money? This was a perfect case study of

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this. So I'm excited that it's going to be adopted soon and we can bring that in-house, I'm excited for that, that is my

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business and I'm looking forward to getting into the numbers on that extensively but commissioner gaines, you are

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right. There is a stack of reports like this we could dust off and say okay, somebody is recommending 450 parking spots

1075
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or whatever and go out and find what it is going to cost because we don't know. >> that's what I'm saying. We

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need to know because as I'm sitting here, that is the only

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way, we don't have so much land downtown, unless we start

1078
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building another island out there which we can't do, that is the only solution we have, to make the decision to see what it

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is going to cost and build it and see if we can do it.

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>> I have a suggestion, we take that last report we have

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authored which is probably about three or four years ago now, circulate it back to the commission and board members and

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we can see what their recommendation was. There's a bunch of nonsense in the report of this piece of land as a

1083
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potential site, we don't on those so how are they incorporating those into the report? Let's focus on the

1084
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recommendations and see what the gross number of parking spaces

1085
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they are recommending and bring it back for discussion. At least we enumerate what the consultants say we need and at

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least we can have a true discussion about it. I would support that immediately. >> okay, we've had an

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exhaustive conversation. >> I could talk about parking until midnight. >> we are not going to do that

1088
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but I think we all agree, we are willing to look at creative

1089
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solutions. So through this, I think we have to also admit that we are going to have people living downtown in fort pierce

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and I have seen these creative designs and other communities where we have wraparound parking and retail and other things to

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be a part of that and I really think it is about time that we look at that, I think we have to have that concept to understand

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it first, the cost, then we can figure out the other parts of

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it. But I think we need to look to these other communities, delray, et cetera, and how they've done it and bring

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something forth. That is the sentiment that you are hearing from us. >> one further comment, you look

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at the bravado of prior conditions, tens of millions of dollars it took to build it, that was a bold move. It is

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going to take a bold move from this commission to do the same thing to fix the problem and I'm prepared to say let's get

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on it. >> I don't think you are hearing any disagreements. So, we've had board comments so I

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think we have exhausted this agenda. So with that, ladies and

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gentlemen, we will adjourn