[8:16] Well, I got good evening and welcome to the fourth place City
[8:21] ball directors meeting on this September.
[8:23] The first of 2026.
[8:28] At this time, keep in mind these meetings are being recorded
[8:32] for the benefit of our residents who can't be with us here
[8:36] tonight This I'm going to, as Director Camp to do
[8:41] the invocation and director Christina Savage believes
[8:45] in a pledge Would you pray with me Lord, we love you.
[8:53] We thank you for the good things that you have given to us
[8:55] Every good and perfect gift comes from above.
[8:58] We acknowledge that We thank you for the opportunities
[9:01] that you've given to us.
[9:02] I thank you for the people that are here
[9:04] tonight I thank you for the people that are watching on line
[9:07] that are engaging in the conversation of their city Lord,
[9:11] help us to seek the peace and the prosperity of the city
[9:13] that you've sent us all to put your hand a blessing.
[9:16] Be upon us And we never take it for granted.
[9:19] Give us wisdom tonight in Jesus name
[9:21] I mean allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
[9:28] and to the strength it is for every Thank you.
[9:42] Thank you very much.
[9:44] This time, we'll ask Carmelo directors Rigo here.
[9:49] Good camp here George, get seven here.
[9:53] Christina get service here.
[9:54] Settle here Martin.
[9:56] Here.
[9:57] OK.
[9:57] Thank you very much for this time.
[10:00] I'll ask if there's any presentation
[10:01] by a member of the board of any item of business,
[10:04] not already on the agenda OK Seeing none,
[10:09] we'll ask for approval of the August 18 2026 regular minutes.
[10:13] So move.
[10:14] Second.
[10:14] Thank you.
[10:15] All in favor.
[10:16] Hi.
[10:17] Hi Thank you Mr. Mayor, before for item number one,
[10:22] I'd like to.
[10:23] Audience in the board know tonight
[10:24] my daughter's playing volleyball for South Side.
[10:26] Tonight's the Battle of Rogers Avenue,
[10:28] so I will be leaving sometime in the middle of the meeting
[10:31] tonight to go watch her play.
[10:33] So I'll miss the rest me for that
[10:35] since I won't be here for director's form.
[10:37] I'd like to bring something up for Director Swim real quick
[10:39] if you don't mind.
[10:39] Mayor.
[10:41] We talked a couple weeks ago about water concerning
[10:45] data centers, and I'd like the administration and Lance
[10:48] and the team potentially look at another source of water, which
[10:51] would be the discharge of the outfall out of street plant
[10:55] as a potential for charging that we discharge
[10:58] in the river for free over company
[11:01] wanted to buy that from us and clean it
[11:04] themselves Pump it themselves to where that potential place was.
[11:08] Look at that is another option of generating money out
[11:11] of something that we discharge for free as another thing Thank
[11:14] you, Mayor.
[11:15] OK.
[11:15] Thank you With that, we will go to the first item
[11:19] on the agenda, Mr. Being when you recognize.
[11:21] Thank you, mayor.
[11:22] Item one is a public hearing and an ordinance
[11:24] to vacate portions of undeveloped right of way
[11:27] Deputy city administrator Maggie Rice will speak to this item.
[11:30] Yes.
[11:31] Thank you.
[11:32] The city is in receipt of a request from Satterfield Land
[11:34] Surveyors to vacate undeveloped portions of north End Street
[11:38] in an alley between north 31st Street and North 13th Street.
[11:42] In response to the petition to abandon the rights of way staff
[11:45] contacted franchise utility companies and appropriate city
[11:49] departments relative to any ongoing or future interests.
[11:53] They may have any cox Communications and Utility
[11:57] Engineering have requests of a utility easement
[12:00] to a accommodate the existing facilities located within
[12:03] the alley Staff notified property owners within 300ft.
[12:07] Today, the Planning Department has not received any phone calls
[12:10] from surrounding property owners,
[12:12] expressing objection and to the right of way abandonment
[12:16] resolution are One 7826 was approved on August 8th.
[12:21] Setting this public hearing and enclosed for your consideration
[12:24] is an ordinance abandoning the rights of way.
[12:27] Okay.
[12:28] Thank you.
[12:29] You At this time we will formally
[12:35] open the public hearing.
[12:36] Madam Clerk, are there any comments on this item?
[12:40] We only have Mr. Ken Mclarnon to answer questions.
[12:44] OK Thank you very much.
[12:46] Okay.
[12:46] If there are no comments at this time,
[12:48] we will formally close the public hearing
[12:50] and ask for a motion to adopt As with suspension of the rules
[12:55] some of the suspension rules.
[12:56] Thank you, Madam Please read you on.
[12:59] If I could, Who seconded ?
[13:02] Second and second This is an ordinance
[13:06] to close and vacate a portion of North End
[13:08] Street and an alley located in Block seven and eight.
[13:11] Urbandale addition.
[13:11] In addition to the city of Fort Smith Sebastian County,
[13:14] Arkansas.
[13:15] Okay.
[13:15] Thank you for any comments Okay.
[13:22] See?
[13:22] None.
[13:23] Please call the roll directors Rigo.
[13:25] Yes.
[13:25] Kim.
[13:26] Yes George, get Savage.
[13:27] Yes.
[13:28] Christina, get savage.
[13:29] Yes, sir.
[13:30] Yes Martin.
[13:30] Yes.
[13:31] It's approved.
[13:32] Six in favor and zero opposed.
[13:33] I remember Two item number two is an ordinance rezoning
[13:40] property on North 32nd Street.
[13:42] Miss.
[13:42] Rice Yes.
[13:44] On August 11th, the Planning Commission held a public hearing
[13:46] to consider the proposed master land Use Plan amendment to mixed
[13:50] use residential and zoning to rezone and zoning request
[13:53] to residential multifamily, medium density or an rM3 zone
[13:57] permitting the existing SIMO family residences to conform
[14:01] with zoning and the way that they've developed a neighborhood
[14:05] meeting was held on August Fourth.
[14:06] There were four neighboring property owners
[14:08] that attended the meeting.
[14:10] No one entertained the expressed opposition to the request
[14:14] At the Planning Commission meeting,
[14:16] Mr. Rosa was present to represent
[14:17] the items There were none present to speak
[14:19] in favor or opposition.
[14:21] The planning Commission voted eight in favor was zero.
[14:24] Oppose to recommend the Master land use plan, map and zoning
[14:27] map be amended.
[14:28] Okay.
[14:28] Thank you.
[14:29] Thank you very much.
[14:30] Or there's citizens comments, Madam Clerk.
[14:32] None indicating this time entertain
[14:34] a motion to adopt suspension of the rules.
[14:37] Summer suspension OK.
[14:38] Thank you.
[14:39] Madam Clerk, please.
[14:40] Really on.
[14:41] I'm sorry Yell or two.
[14:42] Quick for me.
[14:42] Who seconded it or settle ?
[14:45] I did.
[14:46] OK This is an ordinance amending the master land use plan map
[14:50] and rezoning identified property and amending the zoning map.
[14:53] And this is for properties located at 15,
[14:55] 17 and 1527 North 32nd Street.
[14:57] Okay.
[14:58] Thank you.
[14:59] Or any comments from the board members Okay.
[15:03] Seeing none, please call the roll directors camp.
[15:06] Yes.
[15:07] George Sarvis Yes.
[15:08] Christina, get service.
[15:09] Yes.
[15:09] Settle.
[15:10] Yes, Martin.
[15:11] Yes Rigo.
[15:12] Yes.
[15:12] It's approved.
[15:13] Six in favor and zero opposed.
[15:15] We need a motion to adopt the emergency clause So,
[15:18] second, thank you.
[15:19] Please call the roll I got that one.
[15:22] Emergency clause.
[15:23] Oh, yeah.
[15:25] OK Directors.
[15:26] George Good service.
[15:27] Yes.
[15:27] Christina Good service Yes, sir.
[15:29] Yes.
[15:30] Martin yes.
[15:31] Rigo.
[15:31] Yes.
[15:32] Camp Yes.
[15:33] Motion passes.
[15:34] Six and veteran zero Opposed.
[15:35] Moving along real good Item three,
[15:37] item Three is an ordinance rezoning property
[15:39] at 3515 Vicksburg Street Address Yes, sir.
[15:43] On August 11th, the planning commission held a public hearing
[15:46] to consider the Master Land Use Plan amendment to mixed use
[15:50] residential end zoning request to residential multiple family
[15:53] high density or an are in for to facilitate the construction
[15:57] of a multifamily development with four duplexes.
[15:59] 16 parking spaces, landscaping and a sidewalk.
[16:03] A neighborhood meeting was held June 27th.
[16:06] No neighboring property owners attended the meeting
[16:08] at the Planning Commission meeting,
[16:09] Mr. Brandon woodrum was present to present
[16:12] the items There were none present to speak
[16:13] in favor or opposition.
[16:16] The planning commission voted seven in favor,
[16:18] with one opposed to recommend the master land Use Plan, map
[16:21] and zoning map be amended.
[16:22] OK.
[16:23] Thank you. you very much, Madam Clerk.
[16:25] Any citizens comments on this item?
[16:27] Yes, we do have two individuals, the First being
[16:29] the applicant, Brandon Woodrum, which
[16:31] he will have five minutes Yes.
[16:42] Thank you.
[16:43] My name is Brandon Woodrum Eight 4, Brooklyn Road Branch,
[16:46] Arkansas I think I filled the form out wrong.
[16:48] I meant to just be available for questions from the directors.
[16:51] I apologize.
[16:51] But I am here to answering questions if you have any.
[16:54] Thank you.
[16:54] OK.
[16:55] Thank you Next, we have Andy Patrick, which
[16:58] will have two minutes high.
[17:01] Thank you, everybody Andy Patrick.
[17:03] I love living in Fort Smith I just
[17:04] wanted to lend my support for this project.
[17:07] And Mr. Brandon let him know that Fort Smith is
[17:09] open for business.
[17:11] And we welcome his business.
[17:12] Thank you.
[17:13] Thank you Thank you.
[17:14] And well, any.
[17:18] Go ahead.
[17:18] Now, that's all for advantage.
[17:20] Okay.
[17:20] If there are no further comments from citizens
[17:22] will entertain a motion to adopt with suspension
[17:25] of the rules and those suspension rules.
[17:26] And second, thank You, Madam Clerk, please read your Honour's
[17:29] An ordinance amending the master land use plan, map
[17:32] and rezoning identified property in amending the zoning map.
[17:34] And this is for property located at 3515 Vicksburg Street.
[17:38] Any comments from the board Director Kim Thank you, Mayor.
[17:43] Ms..
[17:43] Rice, could you just remind us again,
[17:45] what concern led to the dissenting vote
[17:47] for the Planning Commission, why they were not
[17:49] unanimous Yes, there is a planning commissioner that
[17:53] feels that sometimes industrial property should remain
[17:56] industrial And so that was part of it.
[18:00] Additionally, this property is located
[18:02] within that 80 to 85 DVD and all noise
[18:06] contour So since this is a new residential use that
[18:12] will have to meet the sound transmission
[18:14] class for that noise contour construction was Thank you
[18:18] Any other questions from the board Ma'am,
[18:22] please call the roll directors.
[18:24] Christina Kate Service Yes.
[18:26] Settle.
[18:26] Yes Martin.
[18:27] Yes.
[18:28] Rigo.
[18:29] Yes.
[18:29] Kim.
[18:30] Yes.
[18:30] George Consensus.
[18:31] Yes It's approved.
[18:32] Six in favor and zero oppose.
[18:34] Motion to adopt the emergency.
[18:36] So move.
[18:36] Second.
[18:37] Thank you please call the roll director.
[18:40] Settle.
[18:40] Yes, Martin yes.
[18:42] Rigo.
[18:42] Yes.
[18:43] Kemp Yes.
[18:44] George, Get Savage.
[18:45] Yes Christina, Get service.
[18:46] Yes.
[18:46] Motion passes.
[18:47] Six in favor and zero opposed.
[18:49] Item four.
[18:50] Item Four is an ordinance rezoning property at 5215.
[18:54] Kelly Highway, Miss Rice.
[18:56] Yes sir.
[18:56] On August 11th, the planning commission held a public hearing
[19:00] to consider the subject rezoning application motion.
[19:02] The property contains a little over 2.
[19:04] And a half acres and is located on the north side of Kelly
[19:07] Highway between north 52nd street and North 53rd Street.
[19:11] The proposed rezoning to a planned zoning district allows
[19:14] for additional land uses within the land use chart,
[19:17] such as bakery or confectionery Shop for shop bookstore or salon
[19:21] and other permitted land uses a neighborhood meeting was held
[19:24] on August 3rd.
[19:25] There were no neighboring property owners
[19:27] in attendance at the Planning Commission meeting.
[19:29] Mr. Tyler teague was present to represent the item.
[19:32] There were none present to speak in favor or opposition.
[19:35] The Planning Commission did vote.
[19:36] Eight in favor was zero, opposed to recommend that the zoning map
[19:39] be amended Thank you very much.
[19:41] Are there any citizens comments on this item?
[19:44] We do have?
[19:44] And Mr. Teague and Mr. Klang to answer
[19:46] questions for item number four.
[19:48] But we also have Jason Scarlett's
[19:50] to address the board Good evening.
[20:12] Thank you for inviting me in.
[20:14] Once again I came up appear to show my support
[20:19] for this proposal As somebody who
[20:22] used to go to church in that particular building each
[20:26] Saturday for several years until this past year, when they
[20:31] disbanded I think this is an excellent location for a bakery
[20:36] confectionery shop I'm not sure if that's exactly what they
[20:41] proposed to do with it.
[20:43] I hope it is That's something that is
[20:45] needed in that part of town, especially
[20:48] being right next to a school.
[20:49] I think it'll do well.
[20:52] So I say vote yes.
[20:54] For what it's worth that's all for us.
[21:02] OK.
[21:02] Thank you.
[21:03] You.
[21:03] It is time.
[21:03] We will entertain a motion to adopt with suspension
[21:05] of the rules And a second.
[21:07] Thank you.
[21:08] Please review audience an ordinance rezoning
[21:12] identified property in amending the zoning map.
[21:14] And this is your property property
[21:15] located at 5215 Kelly Highway.
[21:18] Oh, thank you Are there any comments from the board?
[21:21] Well, Mr. Service stole my thunder,
[21:23] but I think the kids from Sutton Union, Christian and Kimmons
[21:28] would celebrate this passing tonight Great.
[21:31] OK Thank you.
[21:32] Any other comments from the board ?
[21:34] OK.
[21:35] If not, please call the roll directors.
[21:37] Martin?
[21:38] Yes, Rigo Yes.
[21:40] Camp.
[21:40] Yes.
[21:41] George get service.
[21:42] Christina Get service Yes.
[21:43] Settle.
[21:44] Yes.
[21:45] It's approved.
[21:45] Six in favor and zero opposed at this time,
[21:48] we will enter it this time will entertain a motion
[21:51] to adopt emergency class Second.
[21:53] Second.
[21:54] Thank you.
[21:54] Please call the roll directors.
[21:56] Rigo?
[21:57] Yes, Kim?
[21:58] Yes George, Get service.
[21:59] Christina Get service.
[22:00] Yes, sir.
[22:01] Yes.
[22:02] Martin.
[22:02] Yes Motion passes.
[22:03] Six in favor and zero opposed.
[22:05] Item Five.
[22:06] Item five is an ordinance rezoning property at 2709.
[22:10] Hazard Road As rice Yes sir.
[22:12] On August 11th, the Planning Commission held a public hearing
[22:15] to consider the subject master Land Use Plan amendment
[22:17] and rezoning applications.
[22:19] The property containing a little over Six and a half acres
[22:22] is located on the east side of Mallard Road between harron
[22:25] Drive and Dallas Street The proposed Master Land
[22:28] Use planning permit to commercial, neighborhood
[22:30] and zoning to commercial light or see
[22:32] to facilitate the development of a two story doctor's office
[22:35] and clinic with pharmacy.
[22:37] A neighborhood meeting was held on July 12th,
[22:39] 28th 12 Neighboring property owners attended the meeting with
[22:43] concerns regarding increased traffic,
[22:45] hours of operation lighting, drainage placement of northern
[22:48] driveway maintenance of property and further development
[22:52] at the planning commission meeting meeting Mr.
[22:55] Barry Davidson of Davidson Engineering and Andy Nicholson
[22:58] of our Care were present to represent the items Mr.
[23:01] Dan Saffron act and Mr. Cole Kingsbury spoke in opposition
[23:05] with concerns regarding proximity to residential
[23:08] development, increased traffic proximity to schools,
[23:11] number of patients for the doctor's office and pharmacy
[23:14] and the type of future development
[23:16] for the remaining portion of the site
[23:18] The planning Commission voted seven in favor with one
[23:20] oppose to recommend the Master land use plan, map and zoning
[23:24] map be amended.
[23:25] Okay.
[23:25] Thank you.
[23:26] You very much.
[23:27] Are there any citizens comments?
[23:28] Madam Clerk We have two that have signed
[23:30] and one Baker Davidson to answer questions only.
[23:33] And then to speak.
[23:35] We have Terry Bailey Terry, are you here ?
[23:43] Here we go I know that you support William sprague Road.
[23:54] I am very close to this property that they
[23:57] want to build the medical center on,
[23:59] and I am against it mainly because it does not fit
[24:04] the vibe of our neighborhood.
[24:06] It's not really a buffer zone but it's actually
[24:10] smacked in the middle of all kinds of schools, churches
[24:17] and residential areas.
[24:19] In fact, it's completely surrounded
[24:20] aided by residential areas, and we
[24:23] have problems with school traffic, with chafin and Woods.
[24:27] We also have a Lutheran school.
[24:28] We have a couple of daycares there and some of the churches
[24:32] and the traffic is extremely heavy in the mornings
[24:35] and in the afternoons.
[24:37] And this piece of property is landlocked
[24:39] and there was only one way to get in and out
[24:42] and that's by adding more streets and more entrances
[24:45] and exits right off Amazon road, which
[24:48] is already heavily congested in the mornings with school people.
[24:52] And I'm just asking that you consider
[24:55] or not rezoning this property, but let
[24:58] us keep it the way it is.
[25:00] And keep our neighborhood intact like we like it.
[25:03] Thank you OK.
[25:08] At this time, it's just time we will entertain a motion to adopt
[25:11] with suspension of the rule.
[25:13] So moves, especially the rules.
[25:14] So good.
[25:15] Thank you.
[25:16] Madam Clerk, please read the ordinance.
[25:18] An ordinance amending the master land use plan map
[25:21] and rezoning identified property and amending the zoning map.
[25:23] And this is for property located at 27 Onan measured road
[25:28] Any comments from the board will start ahead.
[25:31] You and director George Casavant.
[25:34] You first, Maggie.
[25:36] I live over there with this lady is
[25:38] talking about what's being done what's
[25:40] going to be the buffer from that building to the neighbors
[25:43] neighborhood as is going to be a balance
[25:48] or what there will be the requirement of a privacy fence
[25:51] that it's installed.
[25:52] The of course, the majority of the residential
[25:55] is on the western side.
[25:56] And that's our road.
[25:57] Is there And the our care, the developers, were they
[26:01] removed a northern driveway, which was a point of contention
[26:04] early on.
[26:05] So the main driveway will be further south so
[26:07] that it doesn't affect the property owners that do live on.
[26:11] Williams burg.
[26:12] The traffic won't flow out that far north on the site.
[26:17] Additionally, there is an existing drainage channel
[26:19] that does function as a natural buffer on the property
[26:23] and the Planning Commission tied this zoning request to that,
[26:28] to the development plan that was submitted
[26:30] So therefore, if the development plan is ever abandoned,
[26:34] it will require an additional public hearing.
[26:36] Where has you know, it's close to the schools and a lot of kids
[26:39] walk home from school.
[26:42] Has there been a traffic study done or anything?
[26:44] The traffic traffic study was not required for this land use.
[26:47] Why not?
[26:48] It didn't meet the required months so we have no idea.
[26:52] We're going to be a cars, 200 cars a day or whatever.
[26:54] The owner of the property is here.
[26:56] The our care representative, and he
[26:58] can kind of talk you about operations
[27:00] if you're interested if you would state your name
[27:09] or Thank you, Bear Davidson with Davidson Engineering.
[27:12] I'm here on behalf of our care.
[27:14] The applicant This question came up at Planning Commission
[27:17] as well.
[27:18] Thank you. you for the question.
[27:20] So our anticipate did a number of patients
[27:24] that would be seen at this clinic every day is around 80.
[27:28] This clinic and the pharmacy associated with it
[27:31] will maintain normal business hours 8 to 5 business hours
[27:35] Monday through Friday 8 to 5.
[27:36] And what about lighting ?
[27:38] We did submit a photometric and we per the city's requirements,
[27:42] have to be a zero light pollution on the neighbor
[27:45] and and given our site layout we have
[27:48] several feet between the back of our built up side
[27:52] and those houses to our east.
[27:54] And that's mainly because of that drainage ditch
[27:56] that runs through.
[27:57] What's the setback from street on that
[28:01] How many feet from the street?
[28:05] Our building is approximately 60ft from the right of way.
[28:08] So 75 ish feet from the curb to the building?
[28:12] Yeah Okay.
[28:14] So i want for my city is not being
[28:16] a surprises for the neighbors.
[28:19] We, you know, I mean, because I live there, too.
[28:21] And I guess and I just want to be sure
[28:24] if I could add it our neighborhood meeting,
[28:26] we had a good crowd 12 or 13, and there were concerns
[28:30] initially, I think with a couple of exceptions, exceptions, most
[28:34] people left in favor of.
[28:35] What we were trying to do, that the church
[28:37] had a representative there.
[28:38] And he was concerned about the location
[28:40] of our northern driveway.
[28:41] We shifted to the south based on feedback and feedback
[28:44] from city staff Yeah, Neil, you church, you know,
[28:46] as your church involved in that, I
[28:48] mean they're not involved in it, but no, but I mean,
[28:50] it's right across the street from it,
[28:52] so they're okay with that?
[28:53] Yeah, I think they're interested in the parking
[28:55] for, for church services.
[28:57] So I think they'll you might you guys might not know that.
[29:00] So we might steal it on Sunday.
[29:04] The clinic's not open on Sunday.
[29:05] Thanks.
[29:06] It's open seven days a week.
[29:07] Five days a week.
[29:08] Five days a week.
[29:09] OK.
[29:09] Thank you, sir.
[29:10] Yes, sir.
[29:11] Director Neil moore.
[29:12] And I think you next in the queue and we'll go.
[29:13] Yeah I probably shouldn't share as much as I
[29:15] share here, so I apologize.
[29:19] One of the things the director, Commissioner coleman at it
[29:25] voted against this.
[29:26] He's a developer.
[29:27] I know, he's familiar with this property
[29:30] Do you know the reasoning why he voted against it?
[29:32] He did not say two reason.
[29:33] Okay I am concerned about that drainage.
[29:36] I know some folks that lived on that east side that
[29:40] were very concerned about that the backed up to that property I
[29:44] am concerned how that's going to any time any development goes in
[29:47] has the potential to mess up the drainage.
[29:49] So I do have concerns about that.
[29:50] You know One of the things that we've
[29:52] heard over and over and over what maybe not heard
[29:54] over and over and over, but that's
[29:56] been looked at for a number of different different times
[30:00] for development and last I heard,
[30:03] it was going to be duplexes And I
[30:07] think there was a lot of concern about duplexes being
[30:10] there in that in that area.
[30:12] So just like the the decision that came up
[30:17] just a little bit ago, Mike and My concern
[30:19] would be if there are duplexes there that would be more
[30:22] feel like that would be more impactful to those residents
[30:25] than something like this So I have some concerns
[30:30] there I think that's all i have.
[30:39] I know some people that were at the neighborhood meeting that
[30:42] had concern and I want to be I want to be mindful of those.
[30:45] And I think we I think I'm trying to be mindful of those.
[30:48] So i want to make sure what else you know,
[30:50] some of the other questions.
[30:51] And obviously, I know Director Savage lives near there.
[30:55] I'm in the vicinity.
[30:56] I should say.
[30:58] So I'm interested in this, but health care being here,
[31:04] I think that might be better than, you
[31:06] know a bunch of duplexes that would have a lot more traffic
[31:08] flow going in and out you know, making sure
[31:12] that our that ours are good lighting is good You know,
[31:15] something that I'm looking at.
[31:17] So i'll continue to kind of listen might ask some questions.
[31:20] Thank you.
[31:21] You Director rego Thank you.
[31:22] Mayor.
[31:23] This question might be for Maggie or the gentleman
[31:25] here on behalf of our care is our care Is this
[31:29] a new provider in our community?
[31:33] This isn't a relocation of a of a office that's already in town.
[31:37] Correct.
[31:38] It's new to Fort Smith New to Fort Smith is what I mean.
[31:41] Yes that's right.
[31:42] OK.
[31:42] I mean, you know, I don't think given
[31:44] the challenge as we currently face in the health care
[31:47] landscape that we're really in a position
[31:50] to turn away a provider who wants
[31:52] to treat people in our community and provide that.
[31:55] So thank you OK, Director kemp.
[31:59] Thank you, Mayor.
[32:00] Maceration on this property You know,
[32:03] we're no, we're talking about a doctor's clinic.
[32:05] We're also rezoning six and a half acres
[32:08] of the entirety of it.
[32:10] What could potentially be done with the remainder
[32:12] of the property in the future without coming back to the board
[32:16] without coming back to the board Correct.
[32:19] So anything that would be constructed
[32:21] outside the scope of the development plan
[32:24] that you see on page 139 of your packet
[32:28] would require planning commission approval
[32:30] a development plan through the planning Commission.
[32:32] Anything outside of that scope, a development plan
[32:35] is not required to track to the board unless on appeal Okay.
[32:40] But it would require a public hearing.
[32:41] Okay.
[32:42] OK.
[32:43] Thank you Any other questions from the board Okay Madam Clerk,
[32:50] please call the roll directors camp.
[32:54] Yes.
[32:55] George Savage.
[32:56] Yes Christina.
[32:57] Kate.
[32:57] Service.
[32:58] No.
[32:59] So yes Martin.
[33:02] Yes.
[33:03] Frigo Yes.
[33:04] Motion is.
[33:05] Motion passes Five in favor and one opposed.
[33:07] OK Thank you.
[33:08] Just time.
[33:09] We need a motion to adopt the emergency clause.
[33:11] Some a second.
[33:12] Thank you.
[33:13] Please call the roll directors.
[33:16] George Sarvis?
[33:16] Yes.
[33:17] Christina Court service.
[33:18] No Yes, Martin.
[33:20] Yes Rigo.
[33:21] Yes.
[33:22] Yes Motion passes five in favor and one opposed.
[33:25] Thank you very much Just I will go to item number
[33:27] six, which is the consent or consent agenda items.
[33:32] They've got a consent decree that we're going to go at.
[33:35] Consent agenda item. the consent decree agenda
[33:38] contains two items.
[33:39] This evening.
[33:40] A resolution approving a construction contract with force
[33:43] Green in the amount of 3 million for $10,654.60 for consent
[33:49] decree.
[33:49] Remedial measures projects 19 dash 19 dash C three and also
[33:54] a resolution approving an engineering services contract
[33:57] with Hopkins.
[33:57] We are in the amount of $272,900 for construction observation
[34:03] services as related to that same project Okay it's just time
[34:10] to ask for any citizens comments on either A or b?
[34:15] Yes, we have, Larry yancey to answer questions only,
[34:18] but we also have Joey McCutchen Are we speaking on both.
[34:29] Now or housing?
[34:30] Yes, we can.
[34:31] If you like.
[34:32] OK.
[34:32] OK.
[34:33] Thank you.
[34:33] You.
[34:34] This is the exact reason that I sent the email today
[34:37] to Jeff Dingman and the board asking why we still
[34:42] have an approved the consent decree management program
[34:47] And Mr. Damon respond to that.
[34:49] That was going to be up for vote in September
[34:52] or it's after 16 months.
[34:53] And the reason that i say it's a major issue that we need
[34:56] outside eyes on this issue is because the of the original
[35:02] can't act when the city i guess it was Mr. Dingman submitted
[35:07] to the board a $9 million bid and our original engineering's
[35:15] estimate was 5.1 million.
[35:18] That's for million dollars.
[35:20] That's Monopoly money.
[35:22] And the question that the board should be asking
[35:24] is why did he submit that bid That's a fair question That's
[35:30] $4 million.
[35:32] You know, we talk about Parrot Island
[35:34] and, you know, we've got $360 million of Monopoly money
[35:39] and we need somebody outside eyes watching this
[35:43] And you look at the converse of that on the current project,
[35:48] we've got an engineering estimate of $4.3 million
[35:53] yet for some strange reason, good for the city.
[35:56] I guess, for to take They bid $3 million on it.
[36:02] That's a differ sense of $1.3 million whereas good wind
[36:06] and good one.
[36:07] They they bid for point $3 million on it.
[36:10] But it gets down to an issue of trust
[36:13] and and I hope that this board will
[36:16] see the urgency of making this hire.
[36:19] So that so that we can trust our city because then again,
[36:26] will somebody have the courage to ask why you receive that bid?
[36:30] And congratulations to the board the board, the this bid process.
[36:35] And we had that discussion in a study session.
[36:37] I think Mr. Martin in fact, brought that up
[36:41] and that's good that we should have never got there.
[36:44] Okay.
[36:45] I've got 4 minutes.
[36:46] I've asked to speak on both issues.
[36:48] OK.
[36:48] Go ahead You know, and then we we've got the you know,
[36:57] I've spoken about folks in our community
[37:00] who have a lot of influence folks
[37:04] who either get special perks or or folks who get
[37:08] a one heck of a lot of money.
[37:10] For example tonight we're talking $3 million force again.
[37:14] Does a great job.
[37:15] And there are local company.
[37:16] I'm happy about that because I get a lot of money.
[37:19] So it is where construction.
[37:21] But they rarely show up for board meetings
[37:24] and they don't speak publicly for the greater good,
[37:27] by and large.
[37:28] I wonder how many of them are here tonight.
[37:31] And finally kind of criteria number five for the downtown
[37:35] dues is that they do good for our our city.
[37:40] They do good projects.
[37:42] But why would we get to an $800 million
[37:46] sewer consent decree if the people who had influence.
[37:52] Mr. Saddle and you who said on this board for an eternity
[37:58] push the issue on sewer and then we're
[38:01] also going to have the discussions,
[38:02] hopefully this board will get to it before the new folks are
[38:06] elected How are we going to deal with the $580 million
[38:11] water issue and who's going to pay for it
[38:14] But back to the consent decree issue,
[38:17] the question needs to be answered Why was a $9 million
[38:22] bid submit it to this board And again, this gets down
[38:29] to the reason we're asking for a new form of government
[38:31] where we don't have a bureaucratic manager
[38:34] because a strong mayor would face the consequences
[38:37] in an election.
[38:38] Thank you Madam President.
[38:48] Was there any other metaphor with that for those items?
[38:52] Okay This time we would entertain a motion to adopt.
[38:58] The resolution is for item six, A and 6.
[39:01] So I'm a second.
[39:02] Thank you Okay.
[39:06] This time we need.
[39:08] We've got a motion in a comment from the board.
[39:11] May I have one?
[39:12] OK Director, just what about what
[39:14] Mr. Mukherjee said about hiring somebody
[39:15] to oversee this and professional engineer.
[39:18] We have gone through the process to identify a program manager
[39:22] for the Consent Decree program that we intend
[39:26] for that recommend to the vendor to come to the board for a study
[39:30] session late, participate member with the intent of advancing
[39:35] an agreement After that study session
[39:38] on the two agreement for approval
[39:41] in the first meeting of October Okay.
[39:43] Thank you.
[39:44] Okay.
[39:45] Thank you.
[39:45] Any other comments from the board?
[39:46] Right.
[39:47] To know more so if I look at this, this is broken.
[39:50] Whom?
[39:51] Who am I talking to here Who's the.
[39:53] This is Lance.
[39:53] Is this to the specifics of the question,
[39:56] we have a director, as a deputy director
[39:59] of utilities, Jimmie Johnson is here
[40:00] to answer some specific questions.
[40:02] Okay So Jimmy we broke this up into three phases,
[40:06] so the original bid was $9.5 million
[40:09] and the estimate was five. $9.5 million was the original bid.
[40:14] The estimate was 5.19 million Phase one,
[40:20] which we approved on August 4th, was roughly $3 million.
[40:25] This is roughly 3 million or this is $3 Million.
[40:28] And we've got phase three coming.
[40:30] So do we have kind of an idea of what for phase three
[40:33] is going to look like?
[40:34] So so 5 million was the engineer's estimate.
[40:38] The bids came in a 9 million.
[40:41] We're now at 6,000,002/3 of the way through what's ultimately
[40:44] going to cost us.
[40:45] So phase two, which hasn't been bid yet,
[40:50] this is wasn't part of the original contract that
[40:55] was originally presented is a capacity improvement that
[41:01] happens to be in the same Boxer Basin, but it's a separate.
[41:04] We broke project into the original project in a two.
[41:08] We already had a phase A 1 and 2.
[41:11] So would you say two, two, three, four,
[41:13] four split in the original.
[41:14] Want to Oh so so this is the breakdown for the original one.
[41:19] I mean, this this says this is phase two of three phases right.
[41:25] We originally had two phases, but we only presented a bid
[41:29] and then in phase one, Phase two was the capacity improvement
[41:34] that hasn't been presented to the board in any fashion as
[41:37] of yet.
[41:38] There's still under design So when I'm reading this.
[41:45] And it says, and this proposed project this proposed project
[41:49] is phase Two of three phases.
[41:51] Am I reading this wrong that we have there?
[41:55] There are three phases for that flow.
[41:56] One for a sub base originally, we had two
[42:01] and we bid phase one out, which was
[42:04] the original one that the board rejected or wanted us to rebid.
[42:08] Right So we split.
[42:09] Phase one happened to play phases
[42:11] and we called it phase one and phase three or Yeah.
[42:14] So phase two is the capacity improvements.
[42:18] So we've added phase two into this project.
[42:23] So the original 5.19 million was for phase.
[42:26] What is now phase one and three.
[42:29] That's correct.
[42:29] OK.
[42:30] And so we've.
[42:31] OK, I'm trying to get an apples to apples comparison
[42:33] of this particular project because the way I
[42:36] was in my brain was looking at it is we're
[42:39] going to hit that $9 million.
[42:40] Now, this this is it for the original one that we split up.
[42:45] OK.
[42:46] All right.
[42:46] So we're looking at about.
[42:48] So we've got 3 million for phase one.
[42:50] What what was our engineering estimate for phase three?
[42:53] I know.
[42:53] I think I don't think we've built that out yet.
[42:55] Is that correct?
[42:56] But for we haven't the phase two, which was the capacity to
[43:02] have not built it out.
[43:04] Okay.
[43:05] So this is phase three.
[43:07] OK.
[43:07] Or C three.
[43:09] OK OK.
[43:11] So we're roughly 6 million bucks just off of the original $5.19
[43:17] million estimate.
[43:19] That's correct.
[43:20] So the board did a good job pulling this one out,
[43:23] splitting it up and then coming back to us for this.
[43:27] Yes.
[43:27] OK Thank you.
[43:29] Okay.
[43:30] Thank you Any other comments from the board Yeah.
[43:34] Okay.
[43:35] Thank you Madam Clerk, please call the room manager
[43:39] We did have one other individual to speak on, and, B,
[43:41] would you like to open citizen comment back up or no?
[43:46] We lost voice whispers.
[43:47] You want to hear ?
[43:49] Sure, sure.
[43:50] OK.
[43:50] Okay.
[43:51] Yes.
[43:51] You all.
[43:53] We have a live on Morton.
[43:54] Okay.
[43:55] Two minutes long.
[43:56] You recognize Thank you I'll make this quick,
[44:03] I promise So when I hear this discussion about we broke it
[44:08] into two, which i was, I commented on this in the 1st
[44:12] November meeting where we had this huge overbid that that over
[44:17] the ensuing assessment.
[44:18] But now I hear where we're going to be broken into
[44:22] and we've got a Third phase to do capacity improvement
[44:26] So a valid question is, if this is the same project capacity
[44:32] improvement to me, it's bigger pipes
[44:34] so why wouldn't we have the bigger pipes in 1 in 3?
[44:40] And it would be a need for two, not that cost more money,
[44:42] but that's that's a fair question.
[44:45] What is the capacity improvement if it's not in the construction
[44:48] that we're doing?
[44:49] And Mr. Johnson, I'm sure, can answer that for clarity
[44:52] But that's my question.
[44:53] That's it If you can think of the collection system
[45:06] as the tree, when you know it's got
[45:07] a central trunk with branches and the capacity project is
[45:13] the trunk and the in the original portion of the plan,
[45:18] the trunk line was too small but it
[45:23] didn't have any structural defects, which
[45:27] is what the the original phase One in the amount of phase one,
[45:30] two, three, take care of the defects and the trunk
[45:35] is taken care to capacity.
[45:37] So it was just the size of the line was the only problem.
[45:41] It wasn't the actual integrity of the pipe
[45:46] 160 is more as question.
[45:48] You can answer my question that the three.
[45:52] Thank you.
[45:54] You, Madam Clerk.
[45:55] We do have another individual that
[45:56] just signed in Crystal catelli two minutes
[46:10] Good evening I'm prepared to speak tonight,
[46:13] but I'm pretty passionate about the consent decree
[46:16] and I've done a lot of research.
[46:19] So to Joey's point, we need to have someone managing
[46:23] our money We don't need to be spending more money than what
[46:27] we have.
[46:28] And even though we reallocated the taxes
[46:32] is still not going to be enough At the end of the day.
[46:36] And it's been presented to the people that it is and it isn't.
[46:41] So we are facing 3.5% year after year for five years.
[46:47] But if you read the fine print in the DOJ legal document
[46:54] it states they can raise it to whatever they want to.
[46:58] If we don't meet their deadlines.
[47:00] So we may be facing 19, 20 25%, whatever
[47:04] it takes to get the job done So we
[47:07] need to be focused on spending our money very conservatively
[47:14] and making sure that we have somebody
[47:19] that is going to be paying attention to these bids
[47:23] Thank you very much That's all for our six.
[47:33] OK Thank you.
[47:35] OK.
[47:35] This time, we will entertain an emotion.
[47:38] We've done that and we've had directors comments.
[47:41] Madam, please call the roll directors.
[47:43] Christina Kate, Service Yes, sir.
[47:46] Yes Martin.
[47:48] Yes.
[47:48] Rigo.
[47:49] Yes, Kent.
[47:50] Yes.
[47:50] George good service.
[47:52] I'm here for this four and a yes.
[47:55] Yes.
[47:55] Both Okay.
[47:56] Yes.
[47:57] Okay It's approved.
[47:57] Six in favor and zero opposed.
[47:59] Okay good.
[48:01] You will make comments on the remaining items
[48:04] We'll introduce the items we had.
[48:08] Jeff on the front of number seven.
[48:12] Yes.
[48:12] Yes.
[48:13] Tonight tonight's regular consent agenda
[48:15] consists of seven items as follows.
[48:17] A resolution.
[48:18] A resolution designated a portion of Garry Street
[48:20] as Madison Marsh Avenue in honor of Madison Marsh
[48:24] for a resolution designating a portion of riverfront drive
[48:27] as Judge Jim Spears court in honor of the right,
[48:30] Jim Spears a resolution approving a contract with Steve
[48:34] Creek, LLC in the amount of $1,530,825.65 for a street
[48:41] overlay.
[48:41] Reconsider action Project number 20 4-03-FA resolution approving
[48:47] a contract with Denali Water Systems in the amount i'm sorry,
[48:51] Denali water Solutions in the amount of $919,000 for cleaning.
[48:56] Lake Fort Smith Water Treatment Plant
[48:58] Lagoon number two and Leaf Creek Water treatment Plant Lagoon.
[49:01] Number one, a resolution approving the purchase
[49:04] of two grit conveyors for the maser reclamation facility
[49:08] a resolution approving an agreement with the city's
[49:11] construction for construction and management services related
[49:14] to the creek moore Park Pumphouse renovation
[49:16] project and a resolution approving agreement
[49:19] with the western Arkansas Tennis association for Operation
[49:22] of the Tennis Center at Creedmoor Park Okay.
[49:25] Thank you very much.
[49:26] Do we have any citizens comments on any of these items?
[49:30] Yes, we do have several The first for item Seven
[49:33] A, Karen Mills.
[49:36] Okay So i'm just here to answer questions I mean,
[49:46] Madison is a 28 2019 graduate of Southside High School,
[49:50] the first graduate of the United States Air Force Academy
[49:54] and a recent graduate of Harvard University.
[49:57] She is probably, I think, the only Fort Smith in that's
[50:00] been crowned Miss America And she was Miss America
[50:03] 2024 and a first time.
[50:06] I mean, the first officer to receive 2 2 win the crown.
[50:11] So I think it would be a great honor She continues to give back
[50:15] to the city of Fort Smith with Whitney's race helping local pay
[50:19] and creating cancer patients with treatment assisted
[50:24] And she gives back a lot to this community.
[50:27] We thank you very much Next, we have Jason scarlett's
[50:35] which item 777.
[50:37] Eight.
[50:38] Okay So Hello, again.
[50:58] I'm going to save you all a little bit of time.
[51:00] I'm going to address my three items at once here.
[51:03] If you would just address item.
[51:06] This is that we're discussing right now,
[51:08] if you don't mind All right, I'll stick with item
[51:11] and waste some more of your time,
[51:13] then I'm not necessarily opposed to this
[51:19] or item B of renaming streets My main concern is i don't really
[51:26] think this is time well-spent Well used by this board.
[51:33] I think we have much bigger priorities than
[51:37] to rename a section of road that no one's even going to notice.
[51:43] Thank you Okay Seven B okay.
[51:53] Seven C Jason's garments And I'm back
[52:12] I came across some information just the other yesterday.
[52:16] I think it was posted in Facebook by Andy Phosphoric I
[52:21] think this item should be reconsidered based
[52:25] on based on the fact that is being planned to extend jenny
[52:32] Lind to connect to Highway 45.
[52:36] If i'm remembering correctly I think
[52:38] that needs to be studied out before this particular item is
[52:41] approved for item seven D. We have joined mcCUTCHEON tonight.
[52:59] We're approving a bid from Denali water Solutions
[53:03] in the amount of 19 $919,000.
[53:10] My memory is not so short.
[53:12] I remember in 2019 when Mayor McGill and Good
[53:16] Faith dealt with Denali and they told Mayor McGill that they were
[53:20] going to shut down that stink hole over there
[53:24] and they didn't do it until we filed a lawsuit.
[53:28] Bruce bonds filed a lawsuit in 2025, which resulted
[53:35] in Resolution of the problem.
[53:38] So my memory's not so sure I think
[53:40] this board needs to get assurance
[53:42] is that they are doing that.
[53:44] That's what we've done through a lawsuit since January of 2026.
[53:49] Denali has not delivered materials to that lagoon.
[53:54] They've also are now pursuing formal closure
[53:57] of the permit and the operations at that site
[54:01] They've told me that Denali will file the closure plan as
[54:06] early as July or August.
[54:08] Has anybody on this board checked to see if Denali has
[54:11] filed to closure plan before we grant them $919,000
[54:16] of our money?
[54:18] They also identified early spring
[54:21] 2027 is the date that they would fully remove all the materials
[54:27] from that that pit over there.
[54:29] That's been causing us that's causing major grief
[54:32] to our citizens, has closed businesses
[54:36] has resulted in loss of revenue for four restaurants,
[54:40] for clothes and people.
[54:42] I've talked to all of those people.
[54:44] So I think look like they might be the lowest bid.
[54:47] But I think all of these things play in together
[54:50] and when somebody reneged on a promise
[54:54] that they made to our mayor in 2000, 19
[54:57] and we have to live with it for another 6 or 8 years,
[55:01] I think this board needs to at least discuss that issue.
[55:04] Thank you.
[55:05] Thank you Also for 70, we have Eric Weidman Good evening.
[55:18] Board Jeff and the mayor I didn't
[55:22] get a chance to do my research on this one, but kind of like
[55:24] go.
[55:24] He said, I'd really like i don't remember
[55:26] this being in a study session.
[55:28] Have y'all really looked into this,
[55:29] going into another contract with somebody?
[55:31] Haven't lived up to their previous obligations.
[55:35] I would urge some caution here.
[55:37] Thank you for seven e we have Kristen
[55:45] kitchens your so great new board and mayor
[56:06] and I'm the wait for her.
[56:07] But I get the paperwork real quick
[56:09] before we do this You got to move.
[56:17] That clock's ticking.
[56:18] OK.
[56:19] So basically Mid-South automation who's got
[56:22] approved for this purchase?
[56:24] It's a local vendor and also includes
[56:27] an 18 We gave them tax back money
[56:30] and we have some permit issues at the site.
[56:33] And I've been thinking about permanent issues
[56:34] within our city for the past couple of weeks now.
[56:38] And so basically, this was a Superfund site
[56:41] and i was up for cleanup.
[56:44] And the ePA site is under Brady enterprises
[56:48] and under there you will see that will be on the back page.
[56:52] It will it'll go down to Mid-South Automation
[56:55] So it's the same building.
[56:56] And this is st my owner.
[56:58] And then also you're going to see
[56:59] that this is a hazardous waste facility and so,
[57:04] so much hazardous waste goes out of it.
[57:06] And we have no stormwater permit within our city
[57:09] And so before we go behind something for our water
[57:12] treatment facility, I would that if you know,
[57:17] we don't have a permit for this company or anything,
[57:19] I think that we should put a halt on this
[57:21] and find out exactly what's really going on here.
[57:23] And also, I've been with you guys
[57:25] about taking on this facility fees and permits for a long time
[57:28] now, and nobody seems to be doing it.
[57:31] And and I brought it up numerous times OK Okay.
[57:37] Thank you.
[57:39] You don't have anything to say I'm not following
[57:41] what you're talking about.
[57:42] This is city center wastewater treatment Yes.
[57:44] So, no, there's this not a Superfund site,
[57:46] but this company right here is selling something
[57:48] that we're you buying to fix our water facility right?
[57:52] Yeah.
[57:52] And so it's not a Superfund site now, but yet with this site
[57:55] here, it makes hazardous material,
[57:56] and we have a storm water permit on them.
[57:58] I mean, I know our city limits It's a grit conveyor.
[58:02] OK.
[58:03] So whether it's a cricket bat or not,
[58:05] this company is in our town, our city,
[58:08] and it does not have stormwater permits
[58:11] and it's got hazardous waste.
[58:12] They don't need one.
[58:14] They don't need one.
[58:14] Really.
[58:15] They're making a great conveyor Okay Thank you
[58:22] I mean, that also for seven e, we have ten Williams Dan
[58:32] Williams and maybe this will bring a little bit light
[58:34] point of information out here.
[58:36] There's kind of three red flags.
[58:37] I want to talk about on this particular deal.
[58:40] One is that this particular bid was too good to be true.
[58:45] And so the other bids were 90, 68 and 104 for percent higher.
[58:51] And so it kind of threw a red flag out for me.
[58:53] And I looked into what kind of what
[58:55] she was talking about this particular company does have
[58:58] some permit issues if they go on site to that particular facility
[59:03] they can't do any welding They can't do any painting.
[59:06] There are some restrictions.
[59:07] Okay.
[59:08] Which brings up another concern.
[59:09] If i have to do any of that, they
[59:11] can do it on site at their place,
[59:12] but they can't do it on site at this facility with that
[59:16] low bid was everything bid in?
[59:19] Is this a turnkey project?
[59:20] Was everything bid in?
[59:22] We need that for an event formation because they are doing
[59:25] stainless steel fabrication Typically
[59:27] you don't have to paint but there
[59:29] is some times when you weld you might have to coat that
[59:32] and they don't have the permit for the coding of that.
[59:35] These three bids put potentially the other people
[59:39] that bid that much higher.
[59:41] Was it because they bid electrical connection about
[59:45] and other process of that?
[59:47] I just feel like there's some things that
[59:49] need to be looked at.
[59:50] So thank you Thank you.
[59:55] And last for seven if we have Shane McKinney Hi,
[1:00:06] I'm probably not going to talk for a very long.
[1:00:08] I just want to ask a couple questions.
[1:00:11] This isn't exactly a whole lot of money, but when I see pumps,
[1:00:15] house renovations that kind of reminds me
[1:00:17] of the recent one that kind of got a lot more
[1:00:19] expensive because we didn't ask the relevant questions
[1:00:21] around it.
[1:00:23] So are there any statue shoes near this
[1:00:24] that we might need to consider?
[1:00:26] Is there anything going on there?
[1:00:27] Have we called neighbors around?
[1:00:29] Have we just checked in ?
[1:00:30] And there may have been a solid subject,
[1:00:32] but i think it's worth mentioning.
[1:00:34] Okay.
[1:00:34] Thank you That's all for the consent agenda.
[1:00:40] Okay.
[1:00:41] If that's all.
[1:00:41] OK.
[1:00:42] Thank you.
[1:00:42] You.
[1:00:45] May I make a motion to approve the consent agenda?
[1:00:47] Okay.
[1:00:48] Thank you New second.
[1:00:49] Second.
[1:00:50] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:00:51] I did have a question on 70, though.
[1:00:53] Yes Any questions on seven, Denise?
[1:00:55] One.
[1:00:55] Okay.
[1:00:56] I guess maybe this question.
[1:00:58] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:00:58] I think maybe this question is for Jeff.
[1:01:01] Jeff, could you just talk us through a little bit
[1:01:04] of the process of selecting Denali for this project?
[1:01:09] Why would need to defer, I think, to Jimmy Johnson
[1:01:13] that engineering department operate this program?
[1:01:16] They did go through the process of identifying this need
[1:01:19] to remove the grant from the clear water lagoons
[1:01:23] at at the water treatment plants, which
[1:01:26] is a different animal venture than cleaning the sewer
[1:01:29] lagoons and so, Jim.
[1:01:31] So this is Abby.
[1:01:33] Jimmy.
[1:01:34] So this is obviously different thing
[1:01:38] than what was generating the smell and whatnot.
[1:01:40] But two points that have been made about, you know,
[1:01:43] reputation SSiOn and things like that.
[1:01:46] What was the thought process of you,
[1:01:47] all of selecting Denali Are they,
[1:01:50] are there other entities that do this kind of work?
[1:01:53] Can you talk to us about that?
[1:01:54] So we had three and into these, so we're
[1:01:57] interested in the project.
[1:01:58] This time around.
[1:02:00] We had two that actually picked up clams.
[1:02:03] We had three interviews that actually showed up
[1:02:07] at our Pre-bid meeting.
[1:02:09] So we we actually take them to the site and show them around.
[1:02:12] So they're familiar with the project.
[1:02:14] So we had three, but only two of them picked up.
[1:02:18] And one of them decided not to bid
[1:02:20] and they decided not to bid because they're out of state.
[1:02:23] They don't have a contract for license here in Arkansas.
[1:02:26] So they're going to be over the next year.
[1:02:29] We're going to have to clean out some more lagoons.
[1:02:32] So over the next year, the until then, they're
[1:02:34] going to be working toward their contract for license like
[1:02:37] and they can also submit a bid on this
[1:02:39] So Denali was the sort of last company left
[1:02:42] standing to do this for critical time sensitive work.
[1:02:46] That's correct.
[1:02:47] Thank you Okay, General ask has not ever done any work for us.
[1:02:53] Is this a first project with us?
[1:02:55] No.
[1:02:55] Sort of.
[1:02:56] They have a long working history with us
[1:02:58] for doing this type work.
[1:03:00] Okay.
[1:03:00] Thank you Director Neil Moore So I
[1:03:05] guess i went back and did a little research on this.
[1:03:08] It seems like every time we do this work Denali
[1:03:11] is the only bidder or the only one that submits a bid.
[1:03:14] I gave them back in 2019, One bid.
[1:03:17] It was Denali Is there no one?
[1:03:20] I mean, I know you just mentioned what you just
[1:03:22] mentioned about somebody earning the contractor license,
[1:03:24] but it seems like historically all is it.
[1:03:30] And what what kind of ties in their land applying
[1:03:33] the sludge which I have a sample here it doesn't smell
[1:03:38] but it still has to be applied on land
[1:03:42] And there's regulations for that You can
[1:03:45] you can only apply for so much per year on the property
[1:03:50] and they have to have a permit from the state
[1:03:52] to apply that property.
[1:03:54] And Denali has a lot of standing property around Arkansas
[1:03:58] that they can apply this material to There were
[1:04:01] no other entities that can do this work in the state
[1:04:04] of Arkansas There are other entities that
[1:04:07] do the work in Arkansas, but they don't have any land locally
[1:04:11] to apply.
[1:04:13] So they would have to go out and find farmers that would
[1:04:16] significant land that they can apply
[1:04:19] this on And that takes time.
[1:04:23] And so next year.
[1:04:26] If we get the funding to to clean out some more games,
[1:04:29] our plan is, is to actually bid this project
[1:04:33] at the first of the year and not issue a notice
[1:04:38] to proceed until the summer.
[1:04:40] So that gives the contractors a longer time
[1:04:42] to acquire any farmland that they
[1:04:44] need to apply We need to get someone besides Denali bidding
[1:04:49] on this thing.
[1:04:50] I mean, it's a one bid.
[1:04:52] I don't like it And this is historic.
[1:04:56] I mean this is happening every year.
[1:04:58] How so?
[1:04:59] We're cleaning.
[1:05:00] We've got various lagoons there and they're
[1:05:01] cleaning one at a time.
[1:05:03] One year.
[1:05:03] One year?
[1:05:04] Yes So, I mean, so we always seems like we always
[1:05:08] have this every year or every other year
[1:05:11] or something like that.
[1:05:12] But it's always Denali.
[1:05:13] We've got to get away from that.
[1:05:14] Yeah.
[1:05:14] So Lake creek has four lagoons and mountain Burke
[1:05:17] has three lagoons.
[1:05:18] I'm asking you guys to get me somebody besides I'm
[1:05:21] not saying Denali can't do it, but I'm
[1:05:22] saying i got to have somebody besides Denali.
[1:05:25] There's got to be some competition in these bids.
[1:05:27] So next year, at least need to, if not three.
[1:05:32] Thank you.
[1:05:32] Thank you.
[1:05:33] Thank you Director Christina for service and then Director Kim.
[1:05:37] Well, to Director Martin's point,
[1:05:39] I brought this up last year I voted against it.
[1:05:43] Yeah I said, why would we do business
[1:05:45] with someone who has intentionally misled us
[1:05:48] for years and years and years?
[1:05:50] And we were told they were the only ones
[1:05:53] and that we would have more options this year.
[1:05:55] And here we are.
[1:05:57] This year with no other options So I'll be voting no to this
[1:06:01] as I have ready.
[1:06:03] What happens if we don't move forward with this?
[1:06:06] If we if we don't move forward with it?
[1:06:09] So at Mount Berg, we've got three lagoons.
[1:06:13] The third one is Polish and Lagoon Our the lagoons are full.
[1:06:18] So the material starts spilling over into our Polish and lagoon
[1:06:21] and start filling up the lagoon.
[1:06:23] We still won't be discharging any of this material,
[1:06:26] but we'll be filling up a lagoon which is our smaller lagoon that
[1:06:31] will eventually, when it fills up,
[1:06:34] then it will overflow into the creek.
[1:06:36] You know, last year when I voted against this
[1:06:39] it was because we had just come from that hearing.
[1:06:42] It was fresh off that hearing.
[1:06:44] I think i was the only director that went or maybe Jorge,
[1:06:48] did you go to that hearing in Elma ?
[1:06:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah I think we may have been the only ones that
[1:06:55] went to that hearing.
[1:06:55] And Alma we spoke against the permit renewal for that project
[1:06:58] they are.
[1:06:59] And I don't know if I've ever been at a hearing
[1:07:02] where I felt so helpless you know,
[1:07:03] it was like the fix was in.
[1:07:05] We knew the permit was getting renewed and everyone spoke
[1:07:09] so passionately against it.
[1:07:11] And then I came back, and I spoke passionately against it
[1:07:15] against doing business with them here in my business
[1:07:18] if I had someone that misled me for this many years I wouldn't
[1:07:22] be doing business with them again.
[1:07:24] And we were told we'd have more options this year and we don't.
[1:07:28] And I'm not saying that that's on you,
[1:07:31] but I'll be a note tonight just on principle.
[1:07:34] Thank you Thank you, Director.
[1:07:36] Can't thank you, Mayor.
[1:07:38] And thank you for your time.
[1:07:40] Jimmy I had a question on E as well
[1:07:42] if you can answer that, I'm sure you'll be the one on E or is.
[1:07:46] I see Lance standing was perhaps mr. McAvoy can be Yes, sir.
[1:08:00] So could you speak to why the low price
[1:08:03] and do they not have a permit to paint coatings and things Will
[1:08:09] they will they be able to do the work
[1:08:11] that we're asking them to do?
[1:08:12] They are supplying the conveyors.
[1:08:14] They are not installing them.
[1:08:15] That will be a separate project.
[1:08:17] This is just purchase the equipment, some of the equipment
[1:08:21] is pre manufactured that will be coming in again, if there.
[1:08:27] I don't know about any of the issues that
[1:08:30] were brought up on Superfund sites,
[1:08:33] stormwater permits any of that.
[1:08:35] Some of those deal with state permits and not local permits.
[1:08:38] So we have no no way of enforcing any action like that.
[1:08:44] If it was a state requirement we did ask if they can do the work
[1:08:49] We did ask because of the price.
[1:08:51] That was a red flag to me.
[1:08:53] I had them verify it three different times.
[1:08:55] That that was the price for to not just one,
[1:08:58] because to me, that came in looking at like one
[1:09:02] we received a written agreement that, yes, this is for two.
[1:09:07] And that's where we stand.
[1:09:09] And as it stands, if it approves and goes forth this
[1:09:13] there's no concerns about you getting a product that's
[1:09:17] not befitting to what you need.
[1:09:19] Correct.
[1:09:19] Appreciate it.
[1:09:20] Will meet the standards that we set forth in the
[1:09:22] in the bid requirements Okay.
[1:09:24] And then one of the questions, Mr. Johnson
[1:09:26] on Item D you know, for us I mean, I'm sympathetic.
[1:09:31] I wish we had more bids.
[1:09:32] This also sounds like this work is very important
[1:09:35] and needs to happen in a timely manner.
[1:09:36] Is that correct?
[1:09:37] Yes, sir And I think that's why I have a question.
[1:09:41] I think you directed Newman.
[1:09:43] Yeah.
[1:09:43] On on E!
[1:09:44] We'll talk about this one.
[1:09:45] So this is a different sized trough
[1:09:49] This is a ten inch trough versus the others being 12.
[1:09:53] And I think one of those 13, am I correct on that?
[1:09:56] I would have i don't have my computer.
[1:09:58] I don't have a print out.
[1:09:59] So I feel like we're not getting an apples
[1:10:01] to apples comparison on these bids I mean,
[1:10:04] it's obvious in the price.
[1:10:05] So, I mean, how how can we is it because there's no installation?
[1:10:10] Is that is that the difference?
[1:10:12] I when we put out the requirements,
[1:10:17] we give them a range of size and it's
[1:10:21] based on what they can get from their manufacturer.
[1:10:23] So a lot of these are purchased from a third party.
[1:10:29] So I'll use iSI, for example.
[1:10:32] They're a very well supplier buyer and they
[1:10:35] carry certain brands head works, Mueller Things of that nature.
[1:10:42] And they're the only ones in Arkansas
[1:10:43] that are allowed to carry that.
[1:10:45] So when you get a third party like this
[1:10:48] that can find it because they're not under contract with some
[1:10:52] of these supply buyers, they can get it for us at less cost Hmm.
[1:10:58] Okay Okay Do we do we believe and so so Midwest
[1:11:08] is fabricating this.
[1:11:09] They're assembling something from Thomas
[1:11:11] materials Do we think this will be harder to fix in the future
[1:11:15] if we have an issue versus some of the other?
[1:11:19] I think it'll be easier because we'll have someone local that
[1:11:21] can repair it.
[1:11:22] And we are if you'll notice in the memo,
[1:11:24] it states that we are going with stainless steel Yes,
[1:11:28] stainless steel will hold up because this
[1:11:30] is in a very moist and corrosive environment
[1:11:33] and that's where it just wears down over time.
[1:11:36] If you have something that isn't of that quality,
[1:11:40] okay, I mean I don't pretend to be a great conveyor expert,
[1:11:46] but just there was some there's some issues around Thomas being
[1:11:50] a screw conveyor company and not a wastewater great special list.
[1:11:54] Any concerns about that at all?
[1:11:56] A screw conveyor is a screw conveyor,
[1:11:59] whether it's doing grit or sand or even water.
[1:12:04] He use a screw conveyor for water In some applications,
[1:12:08] it's it's just how are you moving the media that you're
[1:12:12] interested in okay from a from a warranty perspective.
[1:12:16] I don't know if I necessarily saw that.
[1:12:18] But if you good with the warranty Yes on this okay.
[1:12:22] And we're we're going to have somebody else come in
[1:12:25] and install either we will install it ourselves
[1:12:28] or we will have a third party.
[1:12:29] We will look and see what it will
[1:12:31] take to do that and see what our our label said.
[1:12:34] So we don't know what that cost is this.
[1:12:35] We don't know what that.
[1:12:36] So it's 78,000 now install them could be another 50.
[1:12:44] I don't know we would build that out as well.
[1:12:47] Do you so would that would we have installation cost
[1:12:51] for the other three bidders.
[1:12:53] Yes, we would.
[1:12:54] OK that was just that's just the equipment.
[1:12:57] OK.
[1:12:57] Just looking at this, just I know I
[1:13:00] that's why I ask three times.
[1:13:03] Rahul my deputy actually the day that I wrote the email,
[1:13:09] he contacted them again to ensure
[1:13:12] that that was for two and not one, because to me,
[1:13:14] it looks like it's just supplying one.
[1:13:17] He was assured.
[1:13:18] And it is in writing that it is 2.
[1:13:20] OK.
[1:13:20] Okay A couple of other questions real quick
[1:13:22] Not necessarily really this related item.
[1:13:24] See, this is with Steep Creek We've this is a first to conch.
[1:13:29] I don't know if my streets guys here I'm
[1:13:32] feeling you're feeling it.
[1:13:33] Okay.
[1:13:34] So we've only had two contracts with Steep Creek
[1:13:38] since I've been on the board.
[1:13:40] They've been in the last month.
[1:13:41] That's correct.
[1:13:42] What do we know about them?
[1:13:43] They're fairly new.
[1:13:44] They've got a consent decree project
[1:13:46] and now they've got a street project right.
[1:13:48] And we've we've called their references
[1:13:53] when we have a new contract.
[1:13:54] We used to have them providers references the references,
[1:13:59] give them good reviews and i think Larry is Larry still here?
[1:14:06] Larry Yancey but we also had Hopkins.
[1:14:10] We're on a consent decree project.
[1:14:12] You know, they, they had some experience with them,
[1:14:16] had other cities Okay, okay.
[1:14:19] Let's just be mindful of that.
[1:14:20] I want to keep eyeballs on it, make
[1:14:22] sure we know what's going on and specific.
[1:14:24] I want to go back to item a and B,
[1:14:27] you know I think one of the things
[1:14:28] that we need to do as a city is celebrate our champions.
[1:14:32] You know, we've got Jaylen Williams, we've got Isaiah Joe,
[1:14:35] we've got Bobby Crabtree we've got the Rainbow Girls.
[1:14:38] Those are those are the ones that we've renamed Streets for.
[1:14:42] And to have a miss America.
[1:14:44] And you know, obviously the judge, I mean Judge Spears,
[1:14:48] you know, we want to celebrate him.
[1:14:50] He's been a great fort.
[1:14:51] Smith Yeah, we need to sell a bright the good that we have.
[1:14:55] And and so I'm all for renaming the streets,
[1:14:58] even though it's honorary We need people
[1:15:00] we need little girls to be able to look up and say,
[1:15:03] Miss America came from here She's one of ours.
[1:15:07] I will celebrate her all day long.
[1:15:09] Miss Arkansas 1985.
[1:15:11] I think, was from Fort Smith.
[1:15:12] You may top 12 and is America.
[1:15:14] Julie Russell lived across the street from me
[1:15:16] So right right over on Ellsworth So she's
[1:15:19] in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, now.
[1:15:21] So hopefully she's watching this and I give her a shout
[1:15:23] out But we have we have we have people here
[1:15:29] that do amazing things, whether it be in business
[1:15:31] whether it be in schooling, whether it be fighting flying
[1:15:36] jets, whether it be being Miss America world champions,
[1:15:39] Only three cities in the United States have two NBA champions
[1:15:44] and one Miss America.
[1:15:46] One of those is New York City one's Philadelphia Fort Smith,
[1:15:50] Arkansas Thank you, Director Rigo.
[1:15:57] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:15:58] Well, Cedric Marty, I'd like to make a motion to table items
[1:16:02] seven D to the September 15th regular meeting for a couple
[1:16:07] of different purposes.
[1:16:08] One, to allow administration to provide us
[1:16:12] with additional context around the importance of this topic
[1:16:15] and hopefully possibly some other options
[1:16:18] of how to approach it.
[1:16:19] And to allow for absent colleagues
[1:16:22] to participate in important nearly $1 million infrastructure
[1:16:26] in good, Good.
[1:16:27] That's good.
[1:16:28] You okay?
[1:16:30] OK.
[1:16:30] Do we need to vote on it Yes.
[1:16:33] Okay.
[1:16:33] Madam Clerk, call the roll director.
[1:16:36] Settle Okay Martin.
[1:16:42] Yes Rigo?
[1:16:44] Yes, Kemp Yes, George, Get Evans.
[1:16:46] Yes.
[1:16:47] Christina, get service.
[1:16:48] Yes.
[1:16:48] Motion passes.
[1:16:49] Five in favor or I'm sorry.
[1:16:50] Four and five and zero.
[1:16:52] Five and five zero opposed.
[1:16:54] I can't count this evening.
[1:16:56] Okay.
[1:16:56] Thank you.
[1:16:57] Director Christina.
[1:16:57] Chris Evans.
[1:16:58] You were next in the queue on E !
[1:17:02] That's not time sensitive We have 90 days,
[1:17:05] don't we, to get additional bids for the great conveyor
[1:17:10] we have 30 days.
[1:17:12] Well, from when we received it from when that memo
[1:17:15] We have 30 days from that date.
[1:17:16] That's when the how the bid is good
[1:17:19] for it is something about this just doesn't feel right.
[1:17:22] I just don't feel comfortable moving forward
[1:17:24] with it at this time.
[1:17:25] You should table.
[1:17:26] I know that that thing looks bad.
[1:17:28] I saw the pictures of it looks bad.
[1:17:31] I don't know.
[1:17:32] We've made it All the repairs that we can at this time.
[1:17:35] The shaft that is broken cannot be repaired.
[1:17:38] But if you wish to table it.
[1:17:40] And for us to get more information,
[1:17:42] the board can ask us to do that.
[1:17:44] We'll do.
[1:17:45] To be fair, you don't seem confident with it.
[1:17:47] I feel like I'm kind of reading your confidence level.
[1:17:50] It's not high until a project is done.
[1:17:54] No one should ever be fully confident I
[1:17:58] have all the information that I could
[1:17:59] get that says that yes this means,
[1:18:02] however Director Menten brought up
[1:18:05] some concerns about the difference
[1:18:07] in the trough sizes and things of that nature
[1:18:10] that I can't answer right now.
[1:18:12] And i don't like not having the answer for the board
[1:18:16] before you vote on something.
[1:18:17] So if you wish to table it, I we can bring it back
[1:18:21] at the next meeting.
[1:18:22] Let's table it to the next regularly scheduled
[1:18:24] meeting Second, call the roll on that item Directors.
[1:18:35] Martin Yes.
[1:18:37] Rigo yes.
[1:18:38] Kip Yes George Savage Yes.
[1:18:41] Christina gets.
[1:18:41] Evans Yes.
[1:18:42] Motion passes five in favor and zero opposed.
[1:18:45] Was there any other items to be discussed by the board
[1:18:50] If not we need a vote on the items
[1:18:58] that, with the exception of, I think
[1:19:01] the was pulled down a and E?
[1:19:03] Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve the agenda the second.
[1:19:06] Okay.
[1:19:07] Thank you.
[1:19:07] You.
[1:19:09] If there are any if there are no further
[1:19:11] comments from the board Madam Kirk Calderon, directors.
[1:19:14] Rigo.
[1:19:14] Yes.
[1:19:15] Camp yes.
[1:19:16] George.
[1:19:16] Yes.
[1:19:16] Yes.
[1:19:17] Christina.
[1:19:17] Kate Service.
[1:19:18] Yes Martin.
[1:19:19] Yes.
[1:19:20] Motion passes five and five zero, all opposed to.
[1:19:23] Thank you very much Just time.
[1:19:25] We will go to the official form.
[1:19:30] Just only one item for me The eFM is mission
[1:19:36] is really having a major impact on Fort labor
[1:19:40] and we're seeing the residuals of that just recently had
[1:19:45] conversations with those with the Air Force
[1:19:47] that's responsible for the future of the Air Force
[1:19:52] and from the Colonel that he has one ace airbase out there
[1:19:58] discussions are on what the future of everything
[1:20:01] will look like as these missions come forward.
[1:20:05] Certainly, I think they will be here for at least 25 years.
[1:20:11] But he knew tasks around building
[1:20:13] after base to accommodate future growth and development
[1:20:17] is very, very good And I think the work
[1:20:22] is being done actors is maybe not
[1:20:24] being recorded in construction in the amount of construction
[1:20:27] that is being gotten done around here because of the military.
[1:20:31] But it's a great deal of work taking place out in editing
[1:20:35] and is having a big, big impact on our community
[1:20:38] With that, we're low.
[1:20:39] To director Rigo, thank you, Mayor.
[1:20:42] I have three different things.
[1:20:44] First, thank you, as always.
[1:20:46] To Patty Payne in the Congregational Care Ministry
[1:20:48] team for the prayer cards that were sent our way
[1:20:50] the verse that we received tonight,
[1:20:52] or at least on the card.
[1:20:53] I have is Matthew 1128.
[1:20:55] Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened
[1:20:58] and I will give you rest May god give you
[1:21:01] discernment inspiration that guides you each day,
[1:21:03] and may He keep shining his light of knowledge strength
[1:21:05] and perseverance upon you We keep you in our prayers.
[1:21:08] Thank you to that very special ministry
[1:21:11] at First United Methodist Church Mr. Mayor,
[1:21:13] happy belated birthday to you.
[1:21:15] I understand it was a round number that I
[1:21:17] won't say that a good one.
[1:21:21] And then i had a question for Director Menten
[1:21:24] and just wanted to see to my colleague,
[1:21:28] based on some conversations and things that have bubbled up
[1:21:31] over the last many weeks and months
[1:21:33] If you would be interested in partnering with me to convene
[1:21:36] and co-chair a public working group or task
[1:21:39] force on the issue of homelessness and was,
[1:21:42] I thought a potential way to approach
[1:21:44] it would be to spend the month of September
[1:21:46] putting the group together, an approach could
[1:21:48] be to have two public meetings in October
[1:21:50] and two public meetings in November,
[1:21:52] with the goal of bringing forward
[1:21:53] some legislation for the board to consider in December.
[1:21:57] So don't have to answer right now.
[1:21:59] I'm not trying to put you on the spot,
[1:22:01] just trying to be transparent about it.
[1:22:02] You've expressed an interest.
[1:22:04] I think it's something we're both passionate and interested
[1:22:05] in.
[1:22:06] And so I would like for you to consider that.
[1:22:07] Okay.
[1:22:08] Thank you.
[1:22:08] You.
[1:22:09] Thank you very much.
[1:22:10] I direct again.
[1:22:11] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:22:12] I had the privilege the other day
[1:22:14] with the fortunate police force to do it right along
[1:22:18] with two officers.
[1:22:19] One in the morning was Officer Louis patrolling more
[1:22:23] of the north side of town.
[1:22:24] And then with officers, officers, police.
[1:22:26] In the afternoon and working alongside just seeing what
[1:22:29] he does in his daily afternoon routine.
[1:22:32] And One of the things that I think was interesting
[1:22:35] was our conversation around homelessness
[1:22:37] and talking about it with him and just
[1:22:40] standing beside him as we talked to people who are unhoused.
[1:22:44] And I am definitely sympathetic to the idea of a homeless task
[1:22:49] force bringing forward legislation
[1:22:51] listening to our providers, working with our providers,
[1:22:54] and even thinking where we can really put action to this.
[1:22:58] And I, I do think we're going to have to think
[1:23:01] about that in a budget.
[1:23:02] Terry standpoint, whatever that looks like.
[1:23:05] But, you know, I'd I'd be curious to see what you
[1:23:07] guys find out or come forth.
[1:23:09] Happy to even some sort of subcommittee way
[1:23:14] be involved in that or whatever way I'm invited to.
[1:23:16] But anyways I appreciate the efforts of our police force.
[1:23:21] I was just elise was working, you know,
[1:23:23] getting to know people's stories He would ask where they were
[1:23:26] from He would talk to them about what they're trying
[1:23:29] and he would convey to them what was the legal if there was
[1:23:33] something that they were doing, if their own private property
[1:23:36] or where he could tell them where they could go
[1:23:39] and, you know I've heard Chief Baker say
[1:23:42] that downtown is one of the most police forces of the city.
[1:23:45] I would agree.
[1:23:45] After riding with officers, police.
[1:23:47] I mean, he and his team did an exception tional job
[1:23:51] of moving around downtown, speaking to people,
[1:23:55] talking to people and listening to whatever calls.
[1:23:57] They had.
[1:23:58] So I really appreciate them ahead of the study session,
[1:24:02] even of us looking at their pay structure for first responders.
[1:24:06] I've been able to do that and be alongside
[1:24:08] of right along with the fire department
[1:24:10] Both have been very eye opening for me and experiences
[1:24:13] and I'm very appreciative our staff.
[1:24:14] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:24:15] Thank Director George, Senator Jeff I have to I need
[1:24:18] to make a motion to I want to put on a slow session
[1:24:21] to discuss the Chevy Golf course,
[1:24:24] recently, there was a bid made to buy the golf course, which
[1:24:29] was denied by the FCA.
[1:24:30] I, I want to sit down and talk about our options.
[1:24:33] Is, is that official?
[1:24:35] Did they deny it or did they just
[1:24:38] they made the offer they rejected
[1:24:40] the counteroffer with an outrageous price Hmm
[1:24:44] It's what I want.
[1:24:45] I want to discuss this.
[1:24:46] We need to get a game plan here with this Yeah.
[1:24:54] And then this is what I need a second on that.
[1:24:58] I have a second.
[1:25:00] I'm also going it OK.
[1:25:03] And the last thing, Jeff, on the Highway 255
[1:25:05] project that was or not correct a widened
[1:25:08] and widening on the Yes.
[1:25:10] OK.
[1:25:10] And we participated the city participated in that.
[1:25:12] We did And the medical college participated in that.
[1:25:16] Yes And they have zero.
[1:25:18] I suppose, to participate but they have not paid their share.
[1:25:22] Do you know why Well, I believe for the I I do not
[1:25:27] know the details of what how their involvement was
[1:25:29] in the original part of the project, which
[1:25:30] we did participate in.
[1:25:31] There was an additional consideration
[1:25:35] on the back end the project to restart the project.
[1:25:38] So after Covid, when prices were increased
[1:25:41] and those sorts of things.
[1:25:43] And that's something that still is being worked out
[1:25:45] in terms of what the final can.
[1:25:47] Well, my understanding is there are $1 million over $1 million
[1:25:52] for their part in this widening I don't I
[1:25:55] don't know if that number is being cared for.
[1:25:57] I can try to confirm that or what the status of that is.
[1:26:00] But I do not know.
[1:26:02] So what's going to be in jeopardy
[1:26:03] if the c.R. says we're not paying,
[1:26:05] what is our dog going to do?
[1:26:06] The project is finished.
[1:26:08] I no, I do not.
[1:26:09] But if you don't get paid, what do you have?
[1:26:11] It depends on what the contracts say.
[1:26:13] And i would you look into it and say, Sure.
[1:26:16] Thank you.
[1:26:17] OK, great, Christine.
[1:26:18] Except jeff, I had asked you about that a couple weeks ago,
[1:26:22] about the money owed to ador it Yes
[1:26:27] And that context, in terms of this particular this particular
[1:26:32] project, I do not know the answer to that.
[1:26:36] You know, it's just incredibly frustrating.
[1:26:38] We are the beneficiaries of the trust, which
[1:26:41] means there should be some benefit to us
[1:26:44] and they won't come before us to speak with us.
[1:26:48] You know the best we can get is they want to go to lunch,
[1:26:51] surprise you with their attorney is what I hear they're doing.
[1:26:55] And you know, it's they're running that place like a mafia
[1:26:59] organization, like a bunch of thugs that
[1:27:01] are trying to intimidate us.
[1:27:03] The beneficiaries, every beneficiary every
[1:27:05] wants out of this.
[1:27:07] Trust me, Subash in County Greenwood, Barling, us,
[1:27:10] we all you know, none of us are seeing the benefit from it.
[1:27:14] And they won't come to speak with us
[1:27:17] They're not selling land.
[1:27:18] The realtors.
[1:27:19] There's no list So if you're a realtor
[1:27:22] and you want to show some land out there,
[1:27:23] there's no list of what's for sale.
[1:27:25] There's no prices as he is not he's not a broker.
[1:27:29] He's not legally obligated to present offers to his board.
[1:27:33] I mean, I've never seen anything like this.
[1:27:35] This is corruption in the open.
[1:27:37] We've got to move on this and get something
[1:27:39] done because as long as I've been on this board,
[1:27:41] they've been pulling our chain for years.
[1:27:44] I mean, it's time for it to be done.
[1:27:46] They're running out of money.
[1:27:47] We need to wrap this trust up.
[1:27:49] When I was running, they had, what, 6 or $7 million
[1:27:52] in the bank.
[1:27:53] Now they have a few thousand and they're just dragging it out
[1:27:56] as long as they can till the bank runs dry Okay.
[1:28:01] Now we definitely need a study session to discuss this.
[1:28:04] Thank you.
[1:28:05] Thank you.
[1:28:06] Director Neil Martin Nothing for me Mayor.
[1:28:09] OK.
[1:28:10] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:28:11] I just want to say, to the extent
[1:28:12] that i know there's not records nor minutes necessarily
[1:28:17] kept from the director is forum portion the meetings.
[1:28:21] But to the extent that there are times
[1:28:24] that people think when someone is silent that they agree
[1:28:29] with what is said or that that is a speech that
[1:28:32] is made for the whole I think it's not
[1:28:38] conducive to finding a solution and in any way
[1:28:41] to call an entity a mafia entity or corrupt
[1:28:45] or try to suggest that there's been no benefit to our community
[1:28:49] or to the river valley from the Fcra
[1:28:52] and my purpose is not to have an argument between two directors
[1:28:55] tonight.
[1:28:55] My purpose is to point out that that's not
[1:28:57] a belief that is shared by every member of this board.
[1:29:03] Thank you, Director Go.
[1:29:04] I think we'll make sure and take note of that.
[1:29:06] Thank you Mr..
[1:29:08] Mr. Being that you record from my only comment
[1:29:11] is that the city offices will be closed
[1:29:13] on Monday, September seventh and observance of Labor Day Okay.
[1:29:17] Thank you very much.
[1:29:17] Appreciate it.
[1:29:18] Just and we're going to go into an executive session
[1:29:23] and specifically discuss the cybersecurity event.
[1:29:30] Go ahead and executive recommendation