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I ask with you if you could make sure that it's on silence so it doesn't disrupt the proceedings here today. If you'll please stand for those of you who are able and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance. I

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible.

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You did great.

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Council, if we'll get approval of tonight's agenda.

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Mayor, I'm going to amend the agenda by removing 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 from the agenda and postponing

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them indefinitely.

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From

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motion to approve tonight's agenda with the amendments of removing items 5.1, 5.2

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and 5.3 is that correct?

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Yes, sir.

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Any further explanation or discussion?

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No, sir.

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Anyone else?

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Councilman Schmidt.

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This part of the budget process, I would entertain any

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conversation about any action being taken.

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So I will support the motion to remove these.

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I think it will be good for us to have some educational experience

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on hearing from the people and us sharing some information to

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so that we support this motion.

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Thank you, sir.

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Councilman Walper.

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Yeah, sure.

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I appreciate that.

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I have requested my two items.

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Make it on to the agenda for discussion several times.

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And then thanks for Mr. Barnes and Mr. Davis in the conversation.

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We all had by email.

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You guys agreed that it should finally be put on there up for discussion.

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So I don't need any input.

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I don't need any votes.

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I won't be making a motion.

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If I at this point, I don't plan on making any motions.

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I wanted the discussion and like Mr. Schmidt said, I think public discussion of these items are important.

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And furthermore, if it is removed by this body by a majority vote, when it's my time to speak, I will speak on these topics.

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So you can get rid of it if you want to, but I'll not be supporting it.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, Councilman Walker or anyone else, Councilman Peter.

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I will surprisingly expect in that, but I will support the motion.

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As Mr. Walker said, he still plans on elaborating on his, as Councilman Schmidt said, this is

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definitely an education time for all of us sort of about stuff, but educationally what

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I have learned through this process is I wish we would have said restructure the library months

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back when we had a chance to maybe not vote on this cap.

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Everybody would have turned out and we'd have a different outcome with that being said

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I was going to present it at my time on there

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But I guess now the time since we're removing it

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Did you make it aggressive?

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I don't know if you'd like to address it

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We can obviously I don't know how the vote's going to turn out

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But if you'd like to do that green this will work. You may wait to see a support center at this point

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I think we've got to say go for it

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Is it it's the current budget are we going to be able to fund the library this?

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We've not removed it from the budget with the library.

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We are funding the library this year for the disaster over the next month or so.

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This has got minding the status, so I feel I'll be able to speak about it, but the quote

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unquote restructuring the library has been talked about for many, many, many years since it

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was downtown.

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And sometimes the worst restructure doesn't always have to be clothes or bulldoze.

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I think I'm looking at the word is restructuring the library kind of like we said last night kind of like when I got up here four years ago

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The the mayor said it's a hundred thousand dollars a year in utilities

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So maybe we should go to a solar route. I think all of us in this community need to start looking at things like that

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The word restructuring means how do we efficiently spin the money we have because our budget is cat and our revenues are

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Shrinking so restructuring means how can we efficiently spend money so

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If we could just get everybody in there, that can get in, I know that we do have a limit here.

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We're going to need it to be quiet though. Everybody's got to be quiet in here. It's very

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hard to hear. It's a round room, there's a lot of weird echoes. The thing was built in the 50s,

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so it's all be as quiet as we can and we'll all get our turn to speak.

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And I'll try to be quick, but I thought this was going to be a long process, but since

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it's removed from the agenda, and we're able to fund it this year, I'll do my best

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to make it short and sweet.

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But first off, I want to say thank you to every citizen who has provided input on the coming

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year's budget.

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Please, live rare, have a way to express yourself.

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It's surely a process to listen to our community input, work with staff, and improve a large

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$65 million dollar budget.

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It's not easy, and we're a volunteer board working for free, because as many as you now know,

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based on the hundreds of email responses I got, I'm sure a lot of you in this room, I reply

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to all of you.

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and I tried my best to explain to you why we have to make the decisions that we do. I got a lot of positive feedback.

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I got a lot of ladies that don't like me, and that's okay. But I got a lot of positive people who actually said,

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wow, I didn't know that, so it ended up being really good. We rolled back our millage rate three out of the last four years.

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It's amazing to me I'm a people I spoke to that didn't know what the rollback rate was.

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So what that is is when property values go up and the city will actually get bring in more money

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And they might be able to fund more projects or put money in the reserve account. We do what's called the rollback rate

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We roll back our millage

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To go off the previous year's income and that's great when you can do it

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Unfortunately, I feel like we might have done it three or four years during the worst time right after COVID

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When inflation went crazy and we went backwards, so that's why as I replied to a lot of you guys

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We don't have a lot of money in fun balance

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We all know about the 3% cap and I replied to all you guys. I didn't go to the rollback rate

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I didn't go for a 3% cap. We were very instrumental in trying to repeal the cap

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They didn't pass so eventually we have to look in the mirror and go we got to abide by these rules

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There's that's where we are

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everything coming up in November so I hope everybody keeps the same passion and

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energy in November when it's time to vote and I hope everybody keeps the same

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passion energy next budget season when other people are here I won't be up

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here but I thank your question to the new electees running I have questions for them

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I'll vote for four of them thanks some of your questions to them should be if this

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passes rip this passes what's your what are you going to cut because it's in

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the day we have x amount of money so if we want to continue to fund the library that does lose

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upwards of we don't really know because he's seven five hundred but with utilities in there

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at six hundred okay if the county gives us a hundred thousand dollars a year and they don't give

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us co-op you know then it goes and then we're close to seven hundred we could very quickly be a

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million dollar loss a year and not have the money to pay it so now's the time to wake up and start

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realizing where we're going to get the money from. And I agree with everybody. He said, a library is an essential service.

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I agree with you. I got five kids and they all read.

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But if we continue to fund it without the money, we have to, we tried to sub out this batch and everybody said,

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heck no, don't do that. We tried to sell the go-to building. Everybody said, heck no, don't do that.

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We're trying to sell parks. I've already had people say, heck no, don't do that.

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eventually you have to have money to do stuff so ask your new elected people

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but they're telling you I'm going to lower your taxes and I'm going to make

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things better.

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I want to bother about the same rabbit hat they got because you

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can't do it. So that's how we got in this position. So I'm going to leave some

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lost stuff out because I think I emailed a lot of the most people but I just want

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to say that I've enjoyed speaking to people and explaining what capital

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improvements are, what half-cent is, what PDD we even asked last night on a

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We have funds called CRA and we're like, can we use that on our library?

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No, we can't. Can we use TDD money on our library? No, we can't. Can we use

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absolutely on our library? No, we can't. So even though that 65 million dollar

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budget looks big, and a lot of people have said, it's less than 1% of your budget.

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There's a bunch of money in there that we can't use on the library.

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So it's actually a large chunk of our loss. It's worth it, but it's a large chunk.

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So I also want to share with everybody, email me again if you don't, but I was leaving my house today and something just happened for a reason, call it odd, call it God, call it whatever, but I got a box of books, mail to my house.

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Again, I've got five kids, I've homeschooled before, I've sent my kids to public schools,

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I do the same thing, I didn't even, I bought my white ball of books from our house.

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This whole box is full of books, and I've asked my wife, but she goes, oh, those are

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jets.

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We have a first grader, kindergartener, third grader, kind of fifth grader right now.

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These are his for third grade.

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You can go online and the University of Florida will mail you every month a free box of books

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to your elementary child.

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Some of you guys may already do it.

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If you don't email me, I'll let you know, but I thought that was really cool and special

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to be the day.

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And did a little girl come here and spoke last night and cried.

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This is the part that makes this job even harder for free, as the last time I'm going to

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promise you, but seeing people come to that volume and cry when things affect them, it gets

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all of us.

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I've taken my kids to county commission meetings and made them wear their bike helmets and

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go talk to them so the wing can get a side bolt feel.

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So I love the civic engagement, I love the public input, but I want you guys to realize

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How close we are could be or still might be to be unlike the school board because I've watched people up two years ago

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Generations of people cry

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Teachers students they lost their school. Why they lose their school is

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The county didn't have the funding and the budget to continue to maintain them. It's just that simple

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We don't have the money their services. We can't maintain so hope it's in the budget now

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Hopefully it stays in there the river meets the road the next two or three meetings if we get revenues back in their

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low and we get it's been something else crazy has to happen but as of now it's

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in there it's safe keep the same passion in November, keep the same passion

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next year and look forward to the continued educational debate over the next

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five weeks. I will support the motion. Thank you sir. Anyone else wish to speak on

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the motion in particular? Councilman Merrill and the Councilman Smith. We have talked

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about a lot of these things. One the restructuring, moving, closing the library.

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snowballed way more than what it began.

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Well, I don't support it, so I'll support the motion.

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It removes it from us discussing it

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or making decisions on it, so it stays as is.

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We have talked about privatizing the golf course.

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We have, we've talked about, we look at it,

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which can become an enterprise fund

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to continue on about that.

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I think I don't think that the council

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has been to change its mind.

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We'll find out if this passes.

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And there's not any part of me

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That wants to talk consolidating our police force moving into the county. So I will be supporting the motion so that those three things as they are

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You sir councilman Smith. Yeah, I'm in the past six months to a year, you know

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Chai bring a different things to the board

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Brife's alluded to it of different things that we can look at to consolidate to cut

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while still having a quality of life.

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I mean, to take the emotions out of it,

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whether it's the police department consolidation,

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a restruction of the library,

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we got to abide by the different local legislation

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with the cap and what's coming to November.

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What could come in November is a huge pay cut

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to a lot of disabilities in campus.

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And to me, that's what a lot of this conversation is about,

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not just overall the budget,

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but more specifically the library and the police department

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is if amendment 3 passes in November governing boards and some of those people out there that are

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running to get up here this time next year and have to figure out where to find the money and

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what to do with things because a lot of it got cut because of the home state exemption in passing in

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November as well as the local legislation with with the cap you can only spend so much so all the

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things that we're probably about to hear I'm probably going to support and agree on and all the

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great things at libraries and the police do for us and all the great things that we have

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to discuss in the budget, but it's still a math problem and we've got to figure some

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things out.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, sir.

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Anyone else?

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My councilman Walker?

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Sure.

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I'll take this time.

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Thanks, Mr. Jeter, for leading the way there on that.

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A couple of things, past at last night's meeting, Mr. Davis, who was responsible for restructuring

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the library and you owned up to it and said it was an operational decision on your behalf is that correct?

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Okay, can you explain as part of this education process to the public?

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The voters passed three charter and that's the one that's often in question is the 3% cap.

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And that 3% cap is an increase in spending on two categories, personnel and operations.

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You're 100% control and operations and you're 100% control and personnel.

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We, as a body, as individuals cannot hire, we cannot hire, and we cannot direct you on operations.

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You do all of that, is that correct?

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So, you haven't been in charge of this budget and going through it since I think January, February, I think you've often referenced. You've been starting. So, the two categories of personnel and operations having a 3% increase allowable in both of those two separate categories share with us the increased spending limits that you're working with. How much additional money did you have to spend in personnel this year over last year?

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I'm sorry, I don't give dollars. You don't know the dollars? How long have you been working

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on this budget? I'm going to push on this because you've been pushing the narrative.

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You've been pushing a narrative over there that this body is responsible for your decisions

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and we're not. We set the millage rate for you. We're about to have a millage rate discussion.

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When that comes, we're going to send it back with you and you're going to go back to your

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office and you're gonna come up with a balanced budget you're gonna present it to us and we're gonna

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approve it or we might pick through it but that's the way it works. So you should know the number

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on your personnel last year and the call how much was personnel expenses last year that would be

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the 3% applied to in total. She's running against the paper right now. I think it's about 42 million

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dollars. I thought I think so. I got the number and I talked to Kelsey and Peter because he's coming in

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and visiting but that's a little over 40 million total across personnel and operations and we can

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So I'll thank you I'm sorry 40 that makes a easy math there on 3% is a 1.2 million dollars correct so this

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this budget process that we're going through this the claim is is that we Mr. Davis and his

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experience of putting budgets together has been unable to find out how to bring together a budget

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with a $1.2 million increase in personnel.

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Sir, that's not my problem.

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That's your problem.

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We're volunteers up here.

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You're the $300,000 man now I've seen in tonight's budget

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for the proposal.

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You're the one who's supposed to be solving these problems.

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Not putting us up here, we're elected officials

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to protect these people's money.

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And our village rate is what we're going to send.

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And we're going to send you back within.

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You're going to come back with a balanced budget.

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So that being said, I want to take just a minute to go over the timeline here from I just put one together on the agenda narratives that I've mentioned.

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May the 19th regular City Council meeting, you wrote on the topic of you wanted information from Council on outsourcing of certain city services.

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That was your idea and suggestion, not ours. We didn't say outsource. We didn't say cut. You did.

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The minutes from the May 19th members should advise manager of topics in advance so that

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it can be published for the public awareness.

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Now tonight's agenda has our names on it but when we go and look at that agenda, the minutes

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from the June 16th meeting you have provided to us a Department of Services requested for consolidation

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or elimination.

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That's your words, not ours.

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sports providers, daycare, aftercare, senior programming, fireworks, concerts,

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parades, chamber, EDC pool, online billing and library. Now, these apparently

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according to you on this request came from members of this body, I submitted none

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of those. Can you share with us which of these members have put those items on

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the agenda? Because we can own up to them. We don't have to discuss them. But does

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Any member up here, did you submit Lockery, Mr. Dieter?

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At that time, I submitted a library, I submitted every day of my name.

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This is from the June 16th, there are no names beside it.

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I was looking for it, because my name's not on there.

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I think those are mine.

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You submitted them all.

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I'm not repeating, I said, thank you.

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I'll absorb them, I see everything.

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So I'll take credit.

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I think I did on there.

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I submit.

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My recommendation wasn't long.

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Your, your minutes are in here as well.

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Our recommendations to him was to review everything, all departments

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And I specifically mentioned the police department, and I mentioned the golf course.

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Everybody else has made it on to the list, but mine did not.

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So that being the case, I'm going to take just a minute, and I'll be done, Mr. Brown.

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The golf course we spoke about last night at length, I'm pretty much okay with that.

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I understand this body's not interested in looking at the benefits to taxpayers by privatizing

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that so we get rid of the debt, we get rid of the expense, and we bring revenue into

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us in the form of leasing that property out and we turn the benefits to the taxpayers.

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I understand we don't have an appetite up there for this now.

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Maybe after November we will, I'm not sure.

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But the police department, I can summarize my discussion all that I wanted, I brought it up

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here several times.

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And after I make these comments, Mr. Davis, I'll have a couple of questions for you and maybe

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for the chief.

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Is the chief here?

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I did a little bit of research and time and I'll share it publicly a few times and I'll

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share it again.

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When we compare our police department to the nearby neighboring town of Destin, Florida,

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I'd like to share some numbers.

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In 2025, the city of Destin and its seven squared miles received 36,000 calls for service.

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They service those calls where they staff of 17 at a cost of $3 million and then we come

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over to the City of Fortwald Beach and it's seven square miles.

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It receives 31,000 calls with a staff of 78, not 17 and it cost of $10 million, not three.

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receiving 5,000 less calls than the City of Destin with a $7 million increase.

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I thought it was worthy of public discussion up here about how taxpayers might benefit

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from at least considering how the City of Fort Walton Beach residents can receive

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their law enforcement from the same body that Destin received it from at a $7 million savings.

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That would be said, Mr. Davis, when I brought those subjects up previously,

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when Chief and I have discussed it several times publicly in these, he's offered to have

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the discussion publicly and debate if you will outside of these chambers. I'm fine

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with it being backed up here if need be, but when I had those conversations and you were

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going through your budget process, did you go to the chief and ask him if there was anywhere

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he could pinch any dollars? I sent it to everybody. I'm sorry? I sent it to all the directors.

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Okay chief base you haven't been at it's the mayor's meeting okay do you allow would you allow the chief up to talk I would thank you

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Because it's directly related to this much that councilman Browning made to remove this item that does focus on the police department

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Well, I use a lot of to Mr

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Sure, thank you. Please be as brief as you can so yeah, and you know

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I would just like to hear from you with those numbers that I just cited and I've cited them previously

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And I got the numbers on the calls from Miss Barnes by email and then so after I talked about it

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I mean I've been in a CEO position. I've had directors and I've directed budgets and I know generally in the private sector

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how it works but when I when when we finished up that meeting and your conversations with Mr. Davis were there discussions before you might be able to save some money compared to

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Destin, was there any ideas or thoughts you had that we marked up a site that money?

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So, I wanted to thank you, Councilman Walker, because you have to really look at this issue

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holistically, and you do push the bounds and really make us better and more job.

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So, I'd like to thank you for that.

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Thank you.

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So, one of the things when I was doing my research was that if you look at her officer cost,

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the city of Fort Walton Beach, when you divide the number of officers we have,

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by total cost and it's not 10 million, it's 9 million, 9.6 or something, it comes

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out to $172,000 per position. When you look at the state average, the state

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average for police department is $238,000. A sheriff's office is $239,000 on a state

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average, Oklahoma loses at $198,000. We come in at 20% below the statewide average per

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position. The sheriff's office comes in at 20% below the average. You also

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throw out the number 21 all the time. And if you remember back 21 officers, 21

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depots from say 17 as a 21 or so. The total contract is 21. He's an

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and a desk office serving room,

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control officer, community policing officer.

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And what I would like for you to check me on is,

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I say 17, you say 21.

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I say that the Fort Law Means Police Department,

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while they either have 17 or 21 serving

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those 36,000 calls, we have a staff of 78 serving,

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those 31,000 calls is at 78.

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That's back staff, just back to everybody.

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We're always going with my explanation of destiny.

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If we go on the way back machine and we go back to 2012,

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In 2012 we were in a very similar situation and at the time Larry actually was

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sheriff. Larry actually very respectable sheriff. I just wrote him a letter of

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recommendation to get in the hall of fame for law enforcement. Very knowledgeable.

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Eric Aiden was at the time he wrote a senior leadership paper on the same

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exact topic. The two of them came out with a number not of 21 back then or 17

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your number, do you want number that you used in 2012?

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I would remember that study, and it's safe.

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Yes, I do remember.

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And what was that number?

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I don't remember.

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So that was 43.

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Because calls for service alone does not dictate the number of officers you have

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within the police department.

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Every city has a different makeup, a different complexity, different demographics.

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Every city is unique.

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And if you looked at the 43 number, that is a number that would be the base.

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But through not the police department and not the city manager, but through the city council,

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there have been officers added to that base.

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We added an extra zone for Kenwood, which not only benefited Kenwood, but the city is a

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hole by making the other zones smaller.

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We've added community policing, we've added code enforcement to the police department, we've

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traffic units so yes we have grown above that 56 number and if the city council is a

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whole came to us and says we want to reduce the level of service within the police department

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could we go to the drawing board and say yes we can take somebody out of community policing

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yes we can take somebody out of traffic yes we can pull somebody out of special investigations

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but we have not gotten that direction from the city council as a whole and I think at our number

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at 56 especially when I use the sheriff's number from 2012 at 43 and when we look at our

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cost savings that were 28% below the statewide average is reported in the CJAP study, not

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our numbers but from the state of Florida and when you go back and you look at articles

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that have been written they will tell you the destined contract is subsidized.

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There is easily about $2 million to stock you there for just a minute because you brought up two things.

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56 is the uniform officer's grant for it. And then you have a backstab that equals the 78 correct.

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And now you've gotten into the word subsidized which you and I had an email exchange and you mentioned subsidized and I appreciated that because it made me really think about

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what is it you're just talking about and I've mentioned it up here to this bottom before but us city tax payers we pay our property tax including the county

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up to the county and from that from our property tax is total goes and lands in

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the Oklahoma Lucy County's budget up there from our money they pay the

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sheriff's department and so when I got that email from you I'm like well

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isn't that interesting he's talking about subsidizing the back office they do it

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with 17 uniform officers and then we city tax twenty one we city tax payers or the

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The one's doing the subsidizing for the residents of Destin and their seventh square miles.

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So we're like paying three times.

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I said it's worthy of discussion and I don't believe this body is interested in having

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discussions about levels of service.

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The number of calls, as you mentioned, the ones Ms. Barnes provided me, robberies, murders,

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drugs, car grandkins, suicides.

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They're all going on out there and their seventh square miles.

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And we have seven square miles so forgive me for my shot face when we talk about three million and ten million

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And and that we can't do it better. We can't do it more. So there's been no cuts allowed in your budget

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And then for that we're so that on when you say no cuts if you look at our operating budget and

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Nicole or Jason could probably correct me our operating budget actually came back

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slightly less than it was last year. It wasn't by a lot, it was a few dollars less

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on the operation side. So we do look at everything we do and we see what is

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effective, what is inefficient, where can we leverage technology and where can we

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negotiate contracts to get the best effective service for the four-wall beach

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community. Have you met with a share from me? Now I just keep saying it, I'll keep

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said it seven square miles in destined and seven square miles and four

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what makes that's the coverage areas of law enforcement they perform the

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services on 36,000 calls with 21 officers if that's what you say it is with

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21 officers at a cost of $3 million we've got seven square miles we have

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a staff of 78 for $10 million there has to be something there that you can

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learned from the sheriff's department about how they're able to do that.

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Come back to us and tell us what it is. Well, it turns out we've got more murders.

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We've got more drugs. I don't know what it is. They're investigating.

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They're suspecting the sheriff. I do speak with the sheriff all the time. I collaborate with

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air gate and all the time and we work as true partners within the law enforcement community.

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So there's a lot of collaboration that goes on where I didn't finish my point was in articles

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that have been published, you will see that the sheriff's contract at 21 does not include

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supervision.

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The school board recently at the county commission had a very long discussion, and the county pushed back to say, we're no longer subsidizing the school resource deputies as much anymore. In the school board had to kick up another $500,000. You will see more and more pushback, I believe, in contracts that are signed, and I don't disagree with you, Mr. Walker, that you may subsidize at some level what goes on indebted. I may subsidize at some level what goes on indebted as a county resident.

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and that's a choice between the county and destined.

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Today you asked me about the budget,

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and I talked about the budget, and we looked at our budget,

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and we did come back slightly under our operational budget,

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so the things that we could control over in our budget,

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we've adjusted and we look for efficiencies and effectiveness.

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When it comes to level of service,

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I listen to the city manager who takes direction from the council,

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and if we are told to change our level of service,

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is either up or down, we will adjust our level of service.

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Thank you.

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Speaking of that, adjusting the level of service, and it's

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definitely, I'm smart enough to know that the votes have

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gotten to be there.

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And recently, I believe it was Councilman Schmitt

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that made a recommendation that we go out just for bids,

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just for bids to see if taxpayers could save money by having

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the Sheriff's Department, who already

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answers the non-1-1 calls before they

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transfer them to our dispatch.

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If we could have them bid for the service and it got shot down up here because I think generally speaking

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It was because it would hurt feelings in the dispatch room. Is that fair or accurate or morale? No, I'm sorry

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It was morale not feelings. I mean that may be your perspective on

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I believe there's a lot of other things that go into that and maybe a much more lengthy

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Conversation and I don't know how much leeway the mayor will give me to continue

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I'll call point order because we're having the discussion

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Not at the amendment, but of the, we're just having the discussion now, which might be removed.

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So I would argue that we've gone further than what's on the table right now.

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And again, I really, Councilwoman, I wanted to offer Councilman Walker the same roughly ten minutes of a stop speech here at Councilman G.

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And I think we've had a lot of good though.

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I appreciate it, Mr. Mayor. I appreciate it. I will conclude my comments now. I know that we are going to have additional opportunities during these motions and other and secondary motions, because I've got a lot more questions.

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We're in the biggest day, you know, one of the biggest days of the year for us is the body and the budget for taxpayers out there that decisions we make up here are very impactful.

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So I'll look forward to continuing conversations with you and the rest of the body.

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So thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:49,560
Thank you.

433
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Thank you, sir.

434
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:51,360
All right.

435
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:56,180
Just I know Ms. Riley, you came in after the motion was originally made, but just to remind everyone

436
00:32:56,180 --> 00:33:00,480
of the original motion, the motion was made by Councilman Brown, seconded by Councilwoman

437
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:08,120
DeBerry to remove items 5.1, 5.2, and 5.3, and then approve the agenda of other walks.

438
00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:10,500
Everyone's having an opportunity to speak.

439
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Council, please vote.

440
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,120
I'm not on a proving date.

441
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:15,500
I don't know.

442
00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:15,920
Cool.

443
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,960
I just still learned a lot.

444
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,560
It's all good, buddy.

445
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:19,000
Yeah.

446
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:19,460
The

447
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,360
motion does carry five to two.

448
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,520
So, this moves us on to item four.

449
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,400
And specifically item 4.1, a library presentation from this Savannah Cole, the library manager.

450
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:55,450
And when I reached out to all the departments, we're still getting into the cap.

451
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:59,390
The request was, what can you offer to help us?

452
00:33:59,930 --> 00:34:01,570
Everybody gave up something, right?

453
00:34:01,890 --> 00:34:04,150
So the conversation I had with all the departments,

454
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:09,290
the fire department is no more important than the sanitation dudes

455
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:11,450
and the library is no more important than the police.

456
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:12,730
We're all city employees, right?

457
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:13,990
So everybody had to give something up.

458
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:16,190
So Savannah did a great job of tracking,

459
00:34:17,410 --> 00:34:19,470
and to qualify my statement earlier,

460
00:34:19,670 --> 00:34:21,750
but the library is funded next year

461
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,210
based on the current operating structure.

462
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:28,290
So, and that was a recommendation from her team

463
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:32,230
after they crunched the numbers to see what they could possibly offer to the cap.

464
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,160
All right.

465
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Thank you.

466
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,220
While I want to introduce myself, I haven't met a lot of you.

467
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,600
My name is Savannah Cole, I'm the Library Manager, so thank you for your time.

468
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:46,720
If there's one thing that I really love doing, it's talking about the library, most of you guys

469
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:46,900
know.

470
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,240
So I'm excited to share some info with you all and with the public.

471
00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:59,000
So of course, jumping in right after Mr. Davis, we did an 11-hour reduction in our services.

472
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,320
the reason for this is we wanted to make sure that the experience in our

473
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,420
library, our resources, our services, what people experience when they come in

474
00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:13,720
stays exactly the same. So doing this 11-hour reduction allowed us to get rid of

475
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,780
three staff members and it still allowed us to provide the same level of service.

476
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,480
So as far as programs go and what you expect when you come in those have not

477
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,720
changed for the public which is very important. I know it was brought up in a

478
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:33,520
discussion about whether or not we would be able to apply for grants. So we get

479
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,900
state aid through the co-op. State aid is pretty much how we make operating

480
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:43,780
operating budget funds through grant. It's the only one available and for the

481
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:48,560
statute does say you have to be open 40 hours a week for state aid. We work with

482
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,940
the cooperative which is a wonderful resource for us so as long as one

483
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:56,460
library in the cooperative does four hours a week we can apply for state aid.

484
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:58,220
So that funding will not cut us.

485
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,180
It does not cut us from any other funding.

486
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,100
I reached out to the Division of Library Services

487
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:03,720
with the state.

488
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:05,420
It doesn't change anything for us.

489
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,640
There are some big federal and state grants

490
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,820
that we can apply for, like construction grants

491
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:13,320
and the LSA-T grant, which is a literacy-based grant.

492
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,480
And some of those require us to run through the co-op,

493
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040
but they allow us to specify for a long beach.

494
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,660
As most of you know, we have 100% success rate

495
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:25,040
right now in applying for grants.

496
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:32,440
We got a wildflower grant. We recently got a dollar general grant, which is allowing us to do multi-generation

497
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,740
book clubs and bilingual book clubs that we are excited to introduce. Those are privatized grants.

498
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:43,220
They have different allocations, the corporation funding, different things like that.

499
00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:48,180
We can still apply for as many of those as we want. It's not operating budget grants, right?

500
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,960
It doesn't support our operating budget but it allows us to bring resources in.

501
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,400
the construction grant would allow us to build onto our library, build a new library,

502
00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:57,200
those kinds of things.

503
00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:02,700
So as far as grants go, we are still very secure, and that was the reason why kind of chose

504
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:03,740
the avenue that we did.

505
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,680
We operate about 69 service desk hours.

506
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:12,240
So I know when people look at this, they say, oh, you got five full-time staff, and really

507
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,780
I have four part-time staff.

508
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:21,040
We have a custodian, but we run two people on a desk at a time, and our children service

509
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,060
librarians who are both full-time do not sit those desks. They run their areas

510
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:29,060
independently. So when you're really looking at it, my staff are working four to

511
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:32,980
five hours on a desk every single day. If you look at a full-time staff

512
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:36,920
member, that's a huge chunk. So you know you may look at this and say you're not

513
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,920
open 40 hours a week but we do come in. We have to pull hold. We have to do a lot of things.

514
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,260
And we also have to collaborate with our community. We're looking at what our

515
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:49,880
community needs are. We're looking at how we can access those. That time is not time

516
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,180
that we can do on the desk with our customers and our patrons.

517
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:58,160
So I just wanted to throw this up here with this is what we're all talking about, but

518
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,280
I really wanted to shoot in those co-op funds.

519
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:07,500
So for the next fiscal year we've been allocated $109,000, the more that we submit correct

520
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:13,460
statistics, the more we submit and pay for library services, the more state eight we get.

521
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:18,340
So this is our chunk going into the next fiscal year which is very nice.

522
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:23,940
We hope to continue to increase that and I'll talk about that a little bit when we get into stacks and reference in the sack

523
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:28,800
I put revenue on here 24 to 25 is the best kind of

524
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:33,800
Number for this the reason is a lot of this is passport funds

525
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,060
We don't charge late fees if people lose books. They can pay for it or they can bring us a new one

526
00:38:39,060 --> 00:38:43,880
We try to keep the library, you know as accessible for everyone as it can be

527
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:50,540
So this is mainly passport funds in that year we were full on passport agents, meaning

528
00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:56,680
we had three to four that could jump in in this last year due to a personal situation

529
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,580
with one staff member and in the loss of staff now we are running off one person.

530
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:07,880
So where we could usually do passports six times a week, we have one staff member that's

531
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,520
just trying to get them as she can.

532
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,200
So if you've called the library and they told you three weeks, that's what it is.

533
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,740
The city gets a $35 char or payment every time someone gets a passport.

534
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,020
So you bring in a family before, it's 35 times four.

535
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:22,980
That's what goes to the city.

536
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,520
So I just threw that up there.

537
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:27,980
I've talked to you, Mr. Davis about ways to increase that.

538
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,260
I think passport finds people come in, they want to get their passport.

539
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,700
They want to do that stuff with us and we can make it happen.

540
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:38,140
you know, as long as we work within the hours that we've been given, we can, we can

541
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:39,140
increase those funds.

542
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,180
These are our library service levels, and this is where I love to brag.

543
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:47,940
Those positive numbers for a library are exceptional.

544
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,500
When I came here, I only started in November, but I really started in December.

545
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,620
One of the parts that drew me, what drew me in is the resources we actually have here.

546
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,020
3D printers, maker spaces, media labs, there's metropolitan libraries that don't even have

547
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:03,300
those.

548
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:09,100
There's metropolitan libraries that have multiple branches that will never get to have those because they cannot give it to every single

549
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:15,860
Different group of individuals around that branch. So we do our library skills well

550
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:19,080
You'll see our visits have increased to 9%

551
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:22,320
Items borrow is 11% increased

552
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:27,580
Programs offered I'm gonna come back to this because I think that's an important topic

553
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:32,240
But program attendees you'll see an increased library cards huge increase

554
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,640
It was kind of cool to watch Jacob, Jacob and I have spoken, he got to share his number

555
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,980
of members of the golf course and I was like, oh yeah, that's how many library card

556
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:47,600
users we have, so just a fun thing, you know, comparison, it's fun.

557
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,660
Internet usage is that we've talked about digital divide in this room a lot and then

558
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:52,920
importance in digital divide.

559
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:58,960
Seeing a 10% is a crazy number, y'all, that is people that have to walk into our library,

560
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:06,160
either get on our computers or use Wi-Fi so that's a huge number. I know we

561
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,180
talk a lot about people in the area but during summer we see tourists mainly

562
00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:15,580
are using those Wi-Fi services but you're steadily increasing which is

563
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:20,900
incredible and then digital check-up is up 4.5 percent so we know that ebooks

564
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:25,340
audiobooks, those are popular, people want them, we're trending up in them, popping

565
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:30,180
back to programs offered. A metric we use in the library world is that you don't want

566
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:35,340
to offer programs that people don't want, right? So having high program numbers doesn't

567
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:39,280
mean that you're getting people that are interested in those topics, doesn't mean you're getting

568
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,300
attendance for those programs, doesn't mean that it represents your community. So public

569
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:50,480
libraries are built in on the idea that we represent the community. So myself and my staff

570
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,340
We're constantly looking at community needs.

571
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,540
What do they ask for?

572
00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:55,900
What do they come in for?

573
00:41:56,140 --> 00:41:58,160
What do they think would be really cool, right?

574
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,920
We have a 3D printer, not because we're like,

575
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:02,120
let's spend all day learning 3D printing,

576
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:04,080
it's because people want to learn that, right?

577
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,000
So I want to make note here.

578
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,620
When I came in, the main thing I wanted to do

579
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:12,260
was do well-planned intentional programming.

580
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:14,160
You can see that with our numbers.

581
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,160
They are lower as far as programs go,

582
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,720
but our attendee numbers are up.

583
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,940
And there's a reason for that.

584
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:21,440
That is because we're choosing the programs intentionally.

585
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,800
We're making sure that the community is interested and we're making sure that we're partnering

586
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,980
with people that can bring services in that us as librarians just can't do.

587
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,480
These are just some other numbers.

588
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,200
We do a monthly year to date, so this is for July.

589
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,760
We pull these numbers all the time so we just threw them up there for you guys.

590
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:47,700
You all probably saw this and thought why do you have a 3,000% increase in educational

591
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:52,920
reference. The reason is when I came in we were not tracking our statistics on a

592
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,940
day-to-day basis in order to get the proper state aid you need to follow specific

593
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:02,880
reference statistics. Reference transactions or anything where you teach

594
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,540
someone new something new. It can't be directional right to come in and say I need to

595
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:10,260
use the bathroom yeah now you know where the bathroom is but that isn't

596
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:14,960
count. So it has to be something where you're engaging with the person you're

597
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,640
researching something they know. There are state regulations for this. There's

598
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,000
certain state requirements that you have to go through. When I came and I changed

599
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,120
it so that we met that. We actually didn't track Statsl Day. So you see 86

600
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,740
here because we have one librarian that if she answered a research question, which is

601
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:38,660
a reference question, but it's not the whole thing. She would get, she would tally

602
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:43,080
what she asked, but I saw very quickly and this has always been something in

603
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,260
libraries is that people ask questions all the time, right?

604
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,520
I always make a joke with staff on how to, how to cook kale chips because the first reference

605
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,640
question I ever answered was someone on the phone that said, how do you cook kale chips?

606
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,060
So we can do something as simple as that as and as far as referring out.

607
00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:04,280
So that number is really large on here and that's for a reason.

608
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:07,460
And then you can see down there account assistance.

609
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,840
I like to throw that in.

610
00:44:09,020 --> 00:44:11,860
It gives you a better metric for what our staff actually do all day.

611
00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:19,380
these are more things like place a hold for a patron, update their account, issue their library card, renew it.

612
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:23,420
So on month averages, those are pretty high, I think.

613
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,580
And then of course, just to highlight our golf course locker, we've only been tracking this June and July.

614
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:36,360
So 131 people placing holds for the locker is wonderful. So we're excited about that too.

615
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,560
I wanted to throw on here other services and resources.

616
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,860
These are primarily ones that we have responded to the community regarding.

617
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,680
So for example, the ballet school, we fill the role of their school library.

618
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:58,760
So they go by the metric for a media, a school media lab, or media center.

619
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,980
So there's-

620
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,820
There are certain requirements into what they can and cannot check out. They come once a week, so that's why you heard them share yesterday that they come monthly. So we have, I believe, three third grade classes, a fourth, a fifth grade class in the middle school. These kids are issued a specific valley school card, but they can also get a normal public library card and most of them do have it. We have 125 active this year for valley school. Library partners, we have 56 established and active.

621
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:35,880
We're constantly looking to grow that library partner. We consider anyone who has done a program with a library

622
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:39,840
Groups and organizations 67 you guys have read through this

623
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,460
I want to highlight the art exhibit space. We allow free art exhibit space. So if you're an artist in the community

624
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:50,220
We can show up to three at a time. We have a hundred percent capacity for this past year to date

625
00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:51,800
Which is really impressive

626
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:55,300
We have active volunteers more to explore collection

627
00:45:55,300 --> 00:46:01,740
which is going to be all those things that patrons ask about, photography equipment, cookware, board games, telescopes,

628
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,180
birdwatching, backpacks, all that stuff.

629
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:10,380
And then we have a media lab in a maker space which is really, I think, a huge draw to this community,

630
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:13,520
not all of the libraries in the co-op even have a space for that.

631
00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:22,660
And we have looked to work to improve those policies and make sure that equipment's being used in ways that we can continue to use it for the future.

632
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,780
And then I like to put on here the donation community driven library services.

633
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,500
We don't do anything for those, we don't pay any money for those, those are all chosen

634
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:31,200
by the community.

635
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,660
It's all donation-based.

636
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,380
We have a seed library, bring your seeds, drop your seeds, you know, it's all through

637
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:42,840
our community because you're just places we've given space to do what they would like.

638
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:48,020
So just more programs to highlight, I think we talk a lot about kid stuff.

639
00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:52,960
And if you saw me at Coffee Club, I shared we do kid's stuff extremely well.

640
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,980
It's bread and butter for a library.

641
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:57,460
We do so much more than that.

642
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,200
That's the important stuff too.

643
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:01,480
So we do lawyers in the library.

644
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Medicare 101, shelter house.

645
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:06,480
They host domestic violence education workshops.

646
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,420
These are just a few examples.

647
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,740
We have Garden Club that needs regularly.

648
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:13,080
They maintain our garden.

649
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Then we have the Language and Cultural Center,

650
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,080
which is Russian language classes,

651
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,000
from all over the area.

652
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:23,320
Local schools do field trips, we do community outreach.

653
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,320
And of course, the most important part,

654
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,340
I think, for our area specifically,

655
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:31,300
is the multi-generational programming we offer.

656
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,040
So you have successful communities

657
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,560
when you have people that interact with one another.

658
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:39,880
They say multi-generational programming

659
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,640
programming actually has more benefits to all the attendees than if you had a kids program

660
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,700
or a senior program and the reason for that is it builds that connection, that education

661
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:53,940
exchange, which is what the library is about. We're about exchanging information, access

662
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:59,060
to information, the ability to educate. And so I just threw in here some awesome senior

663
00:47:59,060 --> 00:48:04,440
programs. Those are, I mean, people come for the senior programs and we want to increase

664
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,280
that's tenfold. Our teen programming is incredibly impressive. I come from

665
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,320
telehacking and if I can tell you anything the teen programming there, we worked

666
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,540
really hard out. It's so organic here. We are right next to the Valley School. They

667
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:21,900
are in, they attend programs. We just did a family picture day the other day. We

668
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:24,520
had a bunch of teen girls come in and they just wanted their picture in the

669
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:31,200
library. That's incredible to see. Big, big metropolitan areas really struggle with

670
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,960
getting teens to care about the library.

671
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,160
So this is a huge asset to what we do.

672
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,040
And of course, children's programming,

673
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,960
but clubs, that kind of stuff.

674
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,000
So where do we go next?

675
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,120
I asked you this presentation, and I am still new to the role.

676
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,420
But I thought, let's give a vision statement.

677
00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:49,920
Let's give something we're working towards.

678
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,140
We are really good at being a community center.

679
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,520
If we do anything well, it's bringing people in.

680
00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:57,460
You can see it by the numbers, by the attendance.

681
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:04,440
But what I want to do is provide services that create the space connections and opportunities

682
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,620
for the community to grow beyond, right?

683
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,220
Libraries would often think, oh, you come in, you give your books, you walk away.

684
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:17,340
But really, their hubs, their consistent places for people to get access to social services,

685
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:22,620
to create their own groups, to meet people, to be inspired, to get tutored.

686
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:28,580
I mean, we're talking about third places, you guys know the term third place, but it's

687
00:49:28,580 --> 00:49:33,040
not to just bring in a bunch of programs and be like, hey, we have offer all this stuff.

688
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,280
We do what we do so that the community can build and grow and we can support that.

689
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,200
That's the vision for our library.

690
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:42,060
We already do a lot of things well.

691
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:45,900
We can keep doing those things well, and we can listen to our community needs.

692
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Some things we're working on, obviously we want to expand community use.

693
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,400
right now we're transitioning our media lab into a maker space. Media labs a

694
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,840
little bit of an outdated term. It just has photography and podcast equipment. We

695
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,540
do have quite a few people that use it but we're working to change that into a

696
00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:08,240
maker space. Crafts, 3D printing, STEM kits, those kinds of things. We have a lot

697
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,980
of them already in the library but just not in one room where people can come in

698
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:17,500
and enjoy that space. I want to focus on career and workforce development and

699
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:22,020
veteran resources. Our adult programming, our senior programming, it needs an

700
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:28,320
uptick. I mean we hear a lot from the families that love the library and I

701
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,740
love that. But when I walk in the library every day the people that are

702
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:36,200
consistently there that meet us consistently on a day-to-day basis are usually

703
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:43,580
individuals that need career and workforce help veterans or seniors. And then we

704
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:46,400
We did, we want to maximize our existing resources.

705
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:49,160
We put study room policies in place,

706
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,040
and media lab policies in place to allow people to reserve

707
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,620
our spaces before they get to the library.

708
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,640
So it secures them to spot a place to study,

709
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,020
do what they need, tutor.

710
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:02,100
Some people use these rooms for things

711
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,240
like physical therapy for kiddos and different stuff like that.

712
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,820
So we offer that option so they can book in advance,

713
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:09,360
which is really nice.

714
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:11,840
And we moved to back to that meeting room fee.

715
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:17,900
I know it was something predates me. We do have a meeting room fee, but if anything it has reduced

716
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:24,020
monopoly in that room. That room has been monopolized by some local groups for a long time,

717
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:28,540
and it really put a strain on our ability to offer programs and bring in partners.

718
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,860
And we want to support all community groups, and we want people to use our space, but we want

719
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:36,200
do it on an equitable basis.

720
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:43,820
Okay, do we have questions? Questions for Ms. Cole? Council

721
00:51:43,820 --> 00:51:49,660
management? You can get this information to me. I might not have it on the top of your head

722
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:55,980
but even tomorrow. I believe we have a restricted library account. The Harvey Trust Fund and what that

723
00:51:55,980 --> 00:52:01,860
balance is. All some presentation, all some stuff what you do. I've got a couple micro questions

724
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:02,560
It's pun intended.

725
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:05,380
Do we still have access to the microfilm?

726
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:06,540
Yes, we do.

727
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,700
We actually, I was looking at purchasing a new microfilm

728
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:09,900
reader.

729
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:11,240
We really need a digital one.

730
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,820
We have the old school ones.

731
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:16,600
It really, man, when people use it, the whole library

732
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,200
can hear.

733
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:21,020
A digital scanner would allow us to actually screen shot

734
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:24,140
the screens and email them, print them off, things like that.

735
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,460
The people that are going through microfilm are really

736
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:27,620
doing it in an old school way.

737
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,180
So whatever we can do to authorize, whatever's

738
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:36,260
and that Harvey Trust Fund, I believe it has to be restricted to only spend at the library.

739
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:36,800
Yes.

740
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:43,060
I don't know what that cost is to get a vendor to transition those because that's some

741
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:50,620
of the most valuable content that we have in the library because when that's gone, it's

742
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:50,860
gone.

743
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:51,540
You know what I mean?

744
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:58,450
So, whatever we can do if it's available, once we find out what that balance is and I

745
00:52:58,450 --> 00:53:01,810
I don't want to play in the library's future because right now we don't know what the future is.

746
00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:08,370
But as far as, you know, looking at that balance of that fun and transferring that information

747
00:53:08,370 --> 00:53:09,950
I'd love to hear your vision on that.

748
00:53:09,970 --> 00:53:13,170
Yeah, I do think I asked Marcus the other day for that number.

749
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:15,230
It's about 100% of what it's excelled on.

750
00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:18,010
Yes, and we do have to come to council for approval on that.

751
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:21,570
If you, I mean, microfilm is something we desperately need.

752
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:24,490
Co-op sometimes gives us extra funds each year.

753
00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:28,590
And so I was hoping to spend that on microfilm a new microfilm reader

754
00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:31,290
It's about 10 grand you can get them as low as 8 grand

755
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:36,710
But if we want the one that comes with them on it turn everything of already talk to county IT about being able to do that

756
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:41,490
So I'm more than happy to look into that because you do definitely need a new one

757
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:47,930
Mayor so moved to get with mr. Davis to miss coal

758
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:54,390
After checking in with what our balance is and seeing what the impacts would be as far as call

759
00:53:56,230 --> 00:54:01,410
Restricted just to that Harvey Trust Fund that can only be spent in a library to get

760
00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:07,490
a quote to transition the micro-historic films into whatever Savannah's vision is.

761
00:54:07,550 --> 00:54:07,750
Second.

762
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:09,210
Okay.

763
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:13,490
Motion clearly explained by Councilman Schmidt and Seconded by Councilman Walker and the

764
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:14,790
Additional Commons Councilman.

765
00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:16,930
We just need to get it done.

766
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:17,610
Okay.

767
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:20,550
We'll do the motion and we'll go back because I do not have a couple of words.

768
00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:20,970
Yeah, yeah.

769
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:21,810
The House not yet?

770
00:54:22,090 --> 00:54:22,590
I appreciate.

771
00:54:23,410 --> 00:54:26,290
Now, I just, I'll say my question seems good.

772
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:27,570
Any other comments on the motion?

773
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:29,550
Council, please vote.

774
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:30,450
Mayor.

775
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:31,470
Or a by?

776
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:34,470
Anyone from the public would like to speak on this particular

777
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:36,470
motion about microfilms.

778
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:39,730
Council, please vote.

779
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,140
Thank you.

780
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:47,840
It does pass unanimously.

781
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,420
Councilman Schmidt any additional questions, or comments?

782
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Thanks for having me.

783
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,660
Yeah, thank you, Board, and regarding the presentation.

784
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:54,660
Good stuff.

785
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,700
Like Jason said, we got a jacket.

786
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:01,620
about the golf course. We got a Savannah library and what you're doing is amazing.

787
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,640
What she beige is doing is amazing. As we go through this budget process, I know you'll see,

788
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:11,340
you probably hear a lot around the coffee pot and a lot in the community comes through between your

789
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:16,820
doors and Tom Tone's doors next door and in between, you know, back and forth. But just know that

790
00:55:16,820 --> 00:55:22,600
the decisions that I can speak for myself that I'm trying to make is these are very challenging,

791
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:29,020
whether it's police, library, anything it's just there's a chance that the

792
00:55:29,020 --> 00:55:33,240
investor or the voters in the state of Florida may pass something that gives

793
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:38,380
us a huge pay cut and looking to try to fund everything from police to

794
00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:41,500
library what it looks like to fund the library what it looks like to fund the

795
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:46,220
police and what y'all do over there matters it it means a lot I know it impacts

796
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:49,820
the community a lot so whatever's decided on here to the next month and a half

797
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:51,380
Thank you.

798
00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:51,640
Thank you.

799
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:57,680
Concert with Councilman Schmidt there excellent presentation.

800
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:03,960
I think not surprised that a library in the director of the library is a great communicator.

801
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:11,160
I think that that is a testament to the value of libraries not only to adults but our children.

802
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:17,120
I grew up in a library down the street out of the block from a lot of various many hot summers in there

803
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,920
and some cool winners too and there it was a place that I could go for hours and read and

804
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:28,480
imagine and just loved it and loved to love the value of that in there. I was looking here because

805
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:34,060
as councilman Schmidt said we are going through a budget cycle and there's narratives,

806
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,380
their sides that go on out in the community and around the coffee pots and kitchen and so I was

807
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:47,100
looking here. Thank you for the numbers Nicole and for you that you actually provided them there.

808
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:55,420
See that your personnel calls one of the two categories that has a 3% increase allowable

809
00:56:55,420 --> 00:57:05,380
every year. Yours your budget on personnel has been reduced by $63,000. When in fact you had a $12,000

810
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:09,240
dollar increase available to you on the 3% increase.

811
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:14,140
So we're talking about priorities here and as you might have heard earlier in the conversation,

812
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,160
none of the council members gave direction to him to cut personnel expenses.

813
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,820
So I'm interested later on in finding out the other departments that received priorities

814
00:57:26,820 --> 00:57:31,940
because we've got personnel in all departments heard from the chief he mentioned, the operations

815
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:37,860
are down there so in my mind that gives him opportunities to increase further in all

816
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:43,300
the other departments on operations. So now you've been reduced on personnel so that

817
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:49,080
means other departments and or people positions have received an increase and it came from

818
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,120
your department. So I'm interested in digging in a little bit more as we go through here looking

819
00:57:54,120 --> 00:58:00,000
at all of the departments but you did have 12,000 dollars available to you and instead you took

820
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,120
a $63,000 cut, that's about a $70,000, $75,000 swing for you.

821
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:11,400
One last question you may or may not know, and I, Ms. Neighbors, I heard you mentioned

822
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:11,940
it earlier.

823
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:19,200
At last night's meeting I had requested three years budgets over actuals on the utilities.

824
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,680
I looked in my email late today before coming in here didn't see it, were you able to get

825
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,240
those numbers?

826
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,460
No, I have not been able to get that.

827
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:25,680
Okay.

828
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,300
Do you know what your allowance or your budget numbers

829
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:31,860
are for your utilities on a monthly basis?

830
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,240
I did ask for utility bill to be hold just the other day.

831
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:41,320
We're averaging about 5,000 right now,

832
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,060
a month in a utility bill.

833
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:51,190
So I believe so far this year we have spent,

834
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:52,990
I think I gave it up for a week.

835
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:55,810
Yeah, you did $52,000.

836
00:58:56,810 --> 00:59:01,790
So yeah, that's an interesting number because one of the first times I ever looked at the library budget over there

837
00:59:01,790 --> 00:59:07,150
One of the things that stood out was an $8800 a month ago on here. Yeah, what year was that?

838
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:09,030
88 was 2022

839
00:59:10,790 --> 00:59:14,670
2023 24 which 80,000 25 is 83,000

840
00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:17,330
And that's the budget. Do you have the actual

841
00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:23,530
Those are the actual those are the actual and what did you say you would give them a total annual number?

842
00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:28,190
This year's so far we're at 52,573 dollars and 74 cents.

843
00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:29,330
Yeah, okay.

844
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:33,390
I'm looking for that budgeted to actual because that's really important.

845
00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:34,530
Tax payers.

846
00:59:34,610 --> 00:59:41,950
If we budget $10,000, spend $6,000, that $4,000 comes back into the general fund.

847
00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:46,310
Tax payers just paid $4,000 a month over, so all of us curious to meet you.

848
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:46,850
Thank you for that.

849
00:59:47,050 --> 00:59:51,590
Thank you for your presentation and look forward to seeing all the great things you do down there.

850
00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:52,670
Thank you so much.

851
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:53,470
Thank you so much.

852
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:31,670
Councilman Gita. Yes, Mr. Davis. You do very well and compared you to Jacob. And you present very well. And the presentation was awesome. And I couldn't help but think how blessed we are as a board and as a community to have people like you and Jacob too young. I know we had a few people win under 40 order. I think Councilman Brown you want to do. But we have young professionals managing and directing parts of our city. They're awesome. And we got to figure out what to keep you guys.

853
01:00:33,050 --> 01:00:38,550
Does the one thing stood out to me, though, and I want to try to help us solve, this is

854
01:00:38,550 --> 01:00:41,410
the whole reason we're having this discussion, to solve this problem, because we're math

855
01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:41,770
problems.

856
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:47,690
You and Jacob have the same amount of members, and the word restructuring, we've got a lot

857
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:51,970
of restructuring over the last year at the golf course, we've actually got calls, texts,

858
01:00:51,970 --> 01:00:59,070
and emails, he's raised prices, he's made changes, so you don't have the same amount of

859
01:00:59,070 --> 01:00:59,450
members.

860
01:00:59,890 --> 01:01:04,210
but he makes $500,000 here, and I'm speaking on a math problem.

861
01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:06,110
I've got five kids that read to the playground.

862
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:09,250
So I like books more than I like golf in this conversation.

863
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:09,810
We're going to have.

864
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,300
We lose $500,000 here over here.

865
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:14,760
Absolutely.

866
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,580
We make $500,000 here over here.

867
01:01:16,660 --> 01:01:18,500
How do we fix that going forward?

868
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:22,320
So the next counsel sitting up here having to do a major restructure.

869
01:01:22,940 --> 01:01:25,760
And there's two things that stood out to me.

870
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:26,520
The school.

871
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,240
Do they pay to go to that school, or are they funded by Oklahoma's accounting?

872
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,820
I don't know how the ballet school works.

873
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:37,520
I think they're funded by the school board, so I'm just saying.

874
01:01:37,820 --> 01:01:38,120
Yep.

875
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,620
Does the school board give us any money to use our library?

876
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:43,600
Could we...

877
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,280
I asked the history of it.

878
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,300
We only have a staff member that kind of remembers I don't know how it started,

879
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,280
but no, they didn't have space for their libraries.

880
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,320
It's not cool to go ask, I'll go ask.

881
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:58,560
Here's why, our budget is 40 million in cash.

882
01:01:59,060 --> 01:02:01,100
Their budget is hundreds of millions of dollars.

883
01:02:01,420 --> 01:02:02,760
They're losing some revenue,

884
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:03,920
but they got more money than us,

885
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:04,620
maybe we can get some.

886
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,520
The other one that really stood out to me,

887
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:07,520
I don't know how we'll fix it,

888
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,420
but we always talk about user fees, user fees.

889
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,600
We're talking about charging for parking,

890
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:12,880
we're talking about, it's cheaper at the golf course.

891
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,860
If you live in the city to be a member,

892
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:15,800
it's more if you're not.

893
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:17,240
I was very shocked.

894
01:02:17,540 --> 01:02:19,660
It's very close to about half of the people.

895
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,160
Some really don't know.

896
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:27,460
and some do of all the emails that I got people on Oculus Island saying don't

897
01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:31,300
close my free library I'm like you realize that you don't even pay city taxes

898
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:35,180
and you're using our library for free it's great I love it we can keep doing it

899
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:38,920
I have people from Cinco by you they don't pay the same tax we do they don't they

900
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,680
add the alarm tax the funds are library shallow more nice bill the more press you

901
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,920
I love it I love everybody using our library and coming through our account and

902
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,920
spending money I hope we can afford it but going forward that might be one

903
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,300
area that we do like the golf course. It's not free to everybody. It should be free to the

904
01:02:55,300 --> 01:03:00,840
tax plane residents that fund it. We might have to explore other. And I think that's where the

905
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,500
co-op and understanding how the co-op works change that because if you have like a county run system

906
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:12,000
that has branch locations, then your tax payers are all essentially the same. For the co-op, the

907
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:17,140
reason it functions and why you have cooperatives is because you have smaller communities that can't

908
01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:20,200
find libraries in their small areas, right?

909
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,620
I hate to say that we're a world community,

910
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:24,320
if you compare to the rest of Florida.

911
01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:26,460
So the reason the cooperative exists,

912
01:03:26,460 --> 01:03:27,860
and the reason the reason cooperative

913
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:30,340
exists all over the United States,

914
01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:34,640
is to bring resources to smaller areas,

915
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,540
so that people can have access to information,

916
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,020
to make the county better.

917
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,680
So it gets a little funny there,

918
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,160
and that's where we can educate better.

919
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:45,520
I mean, someone came to me the other day,

920
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,320
that I'm going to your council meeting because I'm mad about Nintendo switches and I said,

921
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:52,400
but we don't have Nintendo switches. We don't have those games. Are you talking about?

922
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,620
They're like, well, you're part of the co-ops, so you don't even have the same policies, right?

923
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:04,640
But the co-op, you have to decide if that is a value to you. If a co-op is a value to you and sharing

924
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,980
resources in that way, and this is the same topic that nice bills, you know, mayor is talking about

925
01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:14,240
and councilors are talking about, this is nothing new. And it's because of the specific

926
01:04:14,780 --> 01:04:22,020
system were in. If we were just running as Oculus County Library, we wouldn't have to have these discussions, but it's all about opportunity and resource.

927
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:30,200
So you have to decide as counsel, as supporters of the community, do you value sharing resources in free and equitable ways?

928
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:36,560
Because the people actually paying to get those stuff moved around is the county, the county does pay our courier service.

929
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:39,180
But yeah, it gets, it monies it up.

930
01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:40,840
I mean, I, that woman came to me.

931
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:42,100
One of the women came to me, she said,

932
01:04:42,380 --> 01:04:44,760
my money doesn't support the Fort Walton Beach Library said,

933
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,900
well, you have a card because of the cooperative.

934
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,620
But yeah, you're not, you're not a taxpayer.

935
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,620
And so I think that's where Council has to decide

936
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:52,160
what they want to do.

937
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:53,540
The cooperative is a huge benefit,

938
01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:54,620
but it comes at a sacrifice.

939
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,620
And you have to decide if that's the route.

940
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,360
You want to take, but that is why the cooperative works.

941
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:01,820
That's why we have the resources.

942
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:05,240
That's why we're able to support some of the things

943
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:10,020
that we do is because we have that cooperative umbrella. I mean 100,000 is a lot when we're

944
01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:16,640
talking about 500,000 so but that is the way that that works and it's one of those weird things

945
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:21,780
but cooperatives are created because you have smaller cities that can afford libraries so you just

946
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:26,440
have to wave that value. And maybe this is this is petty but just maybe my wife is told me she goes

947
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,920
to the splash pad and I still hand the library at the same time they have a donation box she

948
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,020
donates every time. I know Councilman Schmidt has brought up just put a QR code on our pickable

949
01:05:35,020 --> 01:05:41,180
course. It just user fees. You might get 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 thousand dollars in donations.

950
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,620
I don't know. You might only get five, but five over five years, 25,000 dollars goes a long

951
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:50,680
way. It's, we just got to think outside the box to get more money. That's the math problem

952
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:51,280
I'm trying to solve.

953
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:54,720
Hey, libraries are all about resilience for all about change and adapting where we need

954
01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:00,400
to. If there is an institution here that is about resilience, change, it's a library.

955
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,880
So I mean all the stuff you're bringing I'm happy to find ways and work with council to make sure that we can do that

956
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,960
Can we find that number?

957
01:06:07,220 --> 01:06:10,820
Stat we're just a nice people and see like what their donation box at the splash pad they get

958
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:12,060
Would they give that to us maybe?

959
01:06:12,340 --> 01:06:14,840
Half of it's a dollar or ten thousand if we can ask them

960
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,540
Nice though. I still splash that out of the nation

961
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:23,800
Councilwoman DeBerry

962
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:33,700
The library is one of my favorite offerings that we have here in the Walton Beach and I was

963
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:41,000
here whenever the city built the library there years and years ago and I was sitting

964
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:47,640
out there in the audience and I know this is a small space and then the way they built it

965
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,840
all that air of their air conditioning, the heat and all that, how many parking spaces

966
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:52,880
to be here at the library.

967
01:06:53,860 --> 01:06:55,920
I don't know the number off the top of my head,

968
01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:58,380
but it's not nearly enough.

969
01:06:58,860 --> 01:07:01,180
Yes, and most of those are used by Tom Tonan

970
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:01,580
next door.

971
01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:04,880
If people can find it to that parking lot.

972
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,340
Well, the reason I stayed this,

973
01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:07,980
the reason I stayed this,

974
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,160
and we're talking about money.

975
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,540
I have five schools in my area, my walking area.

976
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,140
I know you guys have one.

977
01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:22,710
I would like to move the library functions

978
01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:29,570
from where they said that they wanted to build a library there to put the people downtown.

979
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:33,330
But there's no parking spaces, there's no visit in the building.

980
01:07:33,790 --> 01:07:42,230
I want to continue the library functions in an area that you can grow and hear this splash pan.

981
01:07:43,490 --> 01:07:50,150
And other things in the area I'm looking at is I'm whole school apart next to the tennis center.

982
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:55,650
We have huge areas there that we can build the library.

983
01:07:56,470 --> 01:08:04,310
I would like to, Mr. Davis to entertain the idea of reaching out to see if we could sell the library building,

984
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:09,010
not the library function, the library building.

985
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:18,260
And I'm not a good painter like you are, Mr. Davis.

986
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,580
And in that contract, whenever we sell it,

987
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,940
have them build our library as part of the contract.

988
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:30,980
And all the things that on your wish list,

989
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,500
but for people there, I've been here since 1970.

990
01:08:37,940 --> 01:08:39,160
I have to say that.

991
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:45,600
And we had the library here at the Annex building over here for a minute, but they are.

992
01:08:46,180 --> 01:08:49,220
Again, do we decimal system? I have to say that again, too, George.

993
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:55,840
And the work with the co-op so that we would share.

994
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:58,500
I had to do this here to get that in.

995
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,360
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

996
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:03,100
We have so much here to offer.

997
01:09:06,170 --> 01:09:08,950
Is this the time that I should make a motion to see Mr. Davis?

998
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:12,630
We'll teach out to see what we can do.

999
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:14,230
If you would like to, man, you can make a move.

1000
01:09:14,650 --> 01:09:14,870
Okay.

1001
01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:20,850
Yeah, we have time to still have time.

1002
01:09:21,270 --> 01:09:23,910
So, what helped me with this?

1003
01:09:24,290 --> 01:09:26,750
I'd like to make a motion to have our city manager,

1004
01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:29,870
Mr. Davis, reach out, see what our options are.

1005
01:09:30,430 --> 01:09:33,210
It's finding someone, a contractor, a builder,

1006
01:09:33,650 --> 01:09:36,410
a business, or whatever, that would take on

1007
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:39,070
this library project.

1008
01:09:40,270 --> 01:09:46,350
And he built a library over on Holmes Boulevard.

1009
01:09:46,570 --> 01:09:48,710
Matter of fact, man, I'm paying over there now too.

1010
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:51,910
And there's a lot that we have to offer.

1011
01:09:52,690 --> 01:09:53,870
That's very much your money.

1012
01:09:54,130 --> 01:09:54,690
That's my own money.

1013
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:57,810
Do we have a second from the war on that motion?

1014
01:09:59,630 --> 01:10:00,330
Oh, come on.

1015
01:10:01,130 --> 01:10:01,790
I'll second through.

1016
01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:02,950
Discussion.

1017
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:03,490
All right.

1018
01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:05,710
Motion made by Councilwoman DeBerry.

1019
01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:07,170
Seconded by Councilwoman DeBerry.

1020
01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:15,110
here as she stated. Any additional comments? Anyone on the motion? Councilman Brown? Is

1021
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:19,230
this not considered restructuring of the library that was postponed indefinitely?

1022
01:10:22,690 --> 01:10:27,890
I wouldn't say it's restructuring of the library. No, not indefinitely. I want it done.

1023
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:52,570
Yeah, I would just say if we can have a load on it, I don't think you can do it, but yeah we can have a load on it.

1024
01:10:52,570 --> 01:10:53,930
Everybody wants to make a statement.

1025
01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:59,750
I second the discussion I respect because of the thought process and we're all trying to think outside the box.

1026
01:10:59,750 --> 01:11:02,290
I won't support the motion, but I did let's say the first discussion.

1027
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:04,550
Anyone else comments?

1028
01:11:04,690 --> 01:11:05,110
Consumption?

1029
01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:09,130
I'll always entertain proposals. We may be going to a huge cut after November.

1030
01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:11,950
Not saying I'm going to support what's inside the proposal.

1031
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:17,450
But what I just heard is it gives an option, it gives information for us to bring back

1032
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:21,370
especially contingent on how November goes, some of that supports motion.

1033
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:22,390
That's my order.

1034
01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:27,530
Yes, it's a team up from Mr. Brown and brought up my question.

1035
01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:32,070
I don't want to make sure I'm clear of his understanding that his first motion

1036
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:37,590
to squash the conversations that were all decked for me and for Mr. Jeater

1037
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:42,270
those were squashed and removed from those moments at our times to speak.

1038
01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,830
They're not permanently banned from discussing.

1039
01:11:44,830 --> 01:11:51,810
I mean, tomorrow, I mean, we can have you see the motion then to paint the whole blue side.

1040
01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:53,030
Got you.

1041
01:11:55,470 --> 01:12:02,750
Specifically, I was talking about those two, my two particular items, the police department

1042
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:03,970
and the golf course.

1043
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:09,050
Mr. Jeater had the library and I'm glad we're here talking about it again.

1044
01:12:09,210 --> 01:12:13,950
I just want to make sure that Mr. Browning's motion didn't have any long term effect other than

1045
01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:15,750
and removing it from that moment in time.

1046
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:17,950
We can have it in the future, correct?

1047
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:20,950
Again, if it's related to whatever topic

1048
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:21,910
we're talking about it,

1049
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:23,610
because tonight I'm talking about the question.

1050
01:12:23,850 --> 01:12:25,510
Okay, and you're absolutely allowed to ask the question.

1051
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:25,790
Right.

1052
01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:28,950
And now this means you don't get a separate platform

1053
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:30,830
to perfect, which you do.

1054
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:31,050
Perfect.

1055
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:32,170
You've got that clear.

1056
01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:35,270
So on to the motion now, Mr. Barry's motion

1057
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:36,510
was not expecting that.

1058
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:39,450
As I mentioned at last night's meeting,

1059
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:49,050
and you've addressed quite from your perspectives on the around the mound drawings, the around the mound plant.

1060
01:12:49,870 --> 01:12:58,250
The only one I've seen that has been presented to the state that has been approved has a rendering and a drawing and it does not include the library there.

1061
01:12:58,430 --> 01:13:02,410
It shows a central green and it's not come up before I fly them.

1062
01:13:02,590 --> 01:13:08,210
I guess everybody's okay with this because that's what got approved and then it's come out that it might be just a rendering or whatever.

1063
01:13:08,210 --> 01:13:14,150
But during the time of the master plan, the downtown master plan,

1064
01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:17,390
the study was being put together in 17, I believe.

1065
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:22,870
There was, as a part of that, a study done for other locations.

1066
01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:24,810
How many of were identified?

1067
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:26,250
How many are still available?

1068
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:31,610
I don't know, but there was preliminary work done back then as part of around the mail and planning.

1069
01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:35,790
If this happens and if the plan is selected to move it,

1070
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:38,810
The library would be moved somewhere.

1071
01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:44,250
Now, the good news I think for everybody here is it seems as though we all up here really

1072
01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:48,830
appreciate, I know we do, I know how many down we all appreciate the value of the locker.

1073
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:54,070
We never wanted to go away, we always wanted to be funded and we wanted in our community

1074
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:56,650
for our children and the benefits it provides.

1075
01:13:57,070 --> 01:14:03,430
So I wanted to be clear on that because my support of this motion will be that that building

1076
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:10,290
always states that operation is fully funded to the needs that we have and that this council

1077
01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:16,170
provides, tax payers and provides, so I'll be supporting the motion, but it's understanding

1078
01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:20,870
that your building, your operation, is like fully functional, and if another building,

1079
01:14:21,010 --> 01:14:24,850
another site is located in a building and a building is a bit smooth and good transition,

1080
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:28,370
it'll be good for the community, it'll be good for the children, it'll be good for the

1081
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:30,950
for the library, so I'll support the motion.

1082
01:14:31,190 --> 01:14:31,570
Thank you, sir.

1083
01:14:32,230 --> 01:14:34,290
Anyone else who has not yet come to the Board of Commerce?

1084
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:35,770
I'm not sure.

1085
01:14:35,950 --> 01:14:36,130
All right.

1086
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:37,430
Thank you, Mayor.

1087
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:40,810
First and foremost, I do want to thank you, Savannah,

1088
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:42,030
for all the words that you do.

1089
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:44,630
And it's just an honor for me to settle the co-op with you

1090
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:47,970
and to see you perform and how you present the city

1091
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:49,130
for what wants to be sort of the library.

1092
01:14:50,170 --> 01:14:52,270
So thank you so much for all of that.

1093
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:53,970
And we really do appreciate the co-op.

1094
01:14:54,190 --> 01:14:58,230
$109,000 was awarded.

1095
01:14:58,230 --> 01:14:59,970
to the city for Washington B.

1096
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
And, you know, I didn't think that was too bad of a theme because we kind of fit in with the neighborhood cities being the third on the list. So we were almost at the top together for the, you know, for the money that the county was going to get. So we are blessed that we were able to get the money. So my thing is, I'm going to say very quickly. I'm going to be very straight up in block with it. I cannot support the motion. I will not support the motion. I fully support the library and I fully understand that the library is an essential emphasis

1097
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:35,380
structure of our city in any city and I love the location where it said it's

1098
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:38,300
but in a perfect location you got to call for you there already at the

1099
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:41,680
standards down there pushing you know all the good things that she pushed

1100
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:46,960
here and it's just a very very enlightening building to be able to go to the

1101
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,520
library and then come out and then share and and patronize some of our local

1102
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:56,660
business in the area so I cannot cannot support motion thank you ma'am Mr.

1103
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,660
Is this an item, Mr. Burns, that would require a supermajority?

1104
01:16:00,980 --> 01:16:02,560
It was a post on international planes.

1105
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,500
Yes, more to the majority of that.

1106
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:09,700
That was my question.

1107
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:10,480
That was my question.

1108
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,980
That was kind of an evidence of that on your supermajority.

1109
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,580
Now the majority of that is correct.

1110
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:15,060
Correct.

1111
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:15,820
I understand him.

1112
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,460
I get back on support, but definitely support

1113
01:16:19,460 --> 01:16:21,660
thinking outside the box and to let everyone know

1114
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:24,520
if this property tax passes or if we in it

1115
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:36,220
That passes everyone away and November, I think you'll see a lot more emotions like this, a beer and a lot more of them are going to have to be supported, so we'll keep that amount of support tonight, but we'll see how no bit of her goes this council meeting is there.

1116
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,200
That's what we got from the law.

1117
01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:41,620
Mr.

1118
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:51,120
Browning's motion was to remove that conversation from my time to speak, and that was specific to that.

1119
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,000
I'm not sure how another councilman person bringing it up.

1120
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:04,620
Not under the agenda items, as a matter of fact, Mr. Barry, your agenda item, which was specifically identified by the motion,

1121
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:08,080
or 5.1, 5.2, and 5.3, you were none of those.

1122
01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:08,820
We were.

1123
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,420
So the items that were removed permanently

1124
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:13,880
were those items only.

1125
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:17,280
It didn't restrict Mr. Schmid or Mr. Merrill

1126
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,680
or Ms. Rodley or anybody from making emotions.

1127
01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:23,760
So I would contend that it's not one of the big parts

1128
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,060
of a majority, I think that's wrong

1129
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:31,880
that a council member can restrict other council members

1130
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,580
from speaking on a matter and making

1131
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:37,780
an emotion on the matter because he doesn't want to hear it the majority vote

1132
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:42,220
the second that not just one council majority vote the item is not going

1133
01:17:42,220 --> 01:17:45,600
once in a three that was all that was remembered not that she can ever talk

1134
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,080
about it again mr. Barry brought about again she was not under the premise of

1135
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:54,020
pop one two and three you could have said to move everybody's ability to speak

1136
01:17:55,140 --> 01:18:00,940
anybody's ability to speak on the subject you did you said remove mr. walkers

1137
01:18:00,940 --> 01:18:04,600
ability to speak on these matters that this meeting it's it'll be in the

1138
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:09,380
minutes I never said remove Mr. Walker's ability to speak all those matters

1139
01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:13,460
we're speaking on them now you've already spoke on it so they were removed or

1140
01:18:13,460 --> 01:18:18,260
not removed the agenda item was removed I removed them from the agenda that's

1141
01:18:18,260 --> 01:18:23,440
five the mayor already clarified that you can still speak on 5.1 2 and 3 that's

1142
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:29,200
correct her motion is not a part of 5.1 2 or 3 her motion is not even on the

1143
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:33,040
agenda, so either way it takes you for majority vote, according to Robert's rules.

1144
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:35,260
Right, you're arguing about a different one.

1145
01:18:35,860 --> 01:18:40,920
So, but calls it's not on the agenda to be voted on, it has to have a super majority.

1146
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:46,460
Because of the red staff, which has been their time and energy effort and tax pay for money.

1147
01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:48,100
Mr. Browning, all the...

1148
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:48,560
There you go.

1149
01:18:48,740 --> 01:18:51,700
That's what it is about, not about, because it was taken off to the agenda.

1150
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:53,020
He's got it.

1151
01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:57,760
All right, so council please go ahead on the motion from Mr. Vary.

1152
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:04,210
Someone else will have a second.

1153
01:19:04,370 --> 01:19:06,070
Let's go into the paper and I would have had them.

1154
01:19:07,470 --> 01:19:08,250
Oh, come on.

1155
01:19:09,190 --> 01:19:10,070
Last second.

1156
01:19:10,270 --> 01:19:11,250
That's your first discussion.

1157
01:19:11,770 --> 01:19:13,110
I can change it.

1158
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:15,210
We'll have a second first question.

1159
01:19:15,370 --> 01:19:15,730
It's a second.

1160
01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:17,650
Give it a second.

1161
01:19:17,930 --> 01:19:19,410
We'll not put it out for two seconds.

1162
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:21,830
I think you still will.

1163
01:19:22,090 --> 01:19:22,190
Yeah.

1164
01:19:34,670 --> 01:19:38,630
You said you're going to need somebody else to take a second, and he's still in jail.

1165
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:41,810
He's going to have a fire see for majority, so whether you want to go back, let's go.

1166
01:19:42,190 --> 01:19:44,550
We'll just give it as it is.

1167
01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:54,450
All right, so we're still on questions for the very patient, Ms. Cole.

1168
01:19:55,850 --> 01:20:01,610
Does anyone else have questions I know, Ms. Riley does have some questions or comments

1169
01:20:01,610 --> 01:20:03,930
about the presentation that this call made to the Board?

1170
01:20:04,610 --> 01:20:09,330
I'm just giving our praise and all our, maybe in our love hearing.

1171
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:19,450
Thank you so much for all that you do and I'm willing to explain any kind of way that I can and I think we shine at the co-op meetings.

1172
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:25,090
Thank you, man. Anyone else who has an idea had a comment on your question from his school?

1173
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:32,870
I want to ask one more question, Mr. Walker, is there another opportunity and my question is probably not necessarily toward you.

1174
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:39,910
Mr. Chan, Champlain, Champlain, yeah, brought it up again last night, it's something I brought up.

1175
01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:48,730
We've got this eight years ago plus about putting solar panels on the roof of that big old giant building down there that sits right in the hot sun.

1176
01:20:48,730 --> 01:20:53,410
We always have these discussions in here about why is the library cost so much to eat and cool.

1177
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:57,450
We got this great big beautiful space in there and it costs so much money.

1178
01:20:57,450 --> 01:21:07,290
Like, I think that one of the things that this board could certainly do is make some type of motion to move forward with studying this type of situation.

1179
01:21:08,350 --> 01:21:09,290
I know Mr.

1180
01:21:11,490 --> 01:21:20,850
Payne is not in the room. Oh, there he is in the room. He was in the room last night as well, but I think we've kind of looked into this once before, but now that it's becoming a greater issue.

1181
01:21:20,850 --> 01:21:28,450
My question here is brought probably for Mr. Davis or Miss neighbors. What sort of funds would be available since that's more of a capital expenditure?

1182
01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:34,430
To ultimately purchase solar panels for the roof of the library

1183
01:21:39,170 --> 01:21:46,130
And again not the current budget but just going forward in the future say if we were looking at that for the following fiscal year

1184
01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:50,930
Yeah, I was going to say we're probably going to go out to our grant guy and try to see

1185
01:21:50,930 --> 01:21:52,950
me get some grants to cover and I'm sure they're solar panels.

1186
01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:53,750
Grant's on the line.

1187
01:21:53,810 --> 01:21:54,570
It's on the general fund.

1188
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:54,970
Okay.

1189
01:21:55,370 --> 01:22:00,690
So, I'm going to get motion for staff to bring us back the option if we can use CDVG funds.

1190
01:22:03,570 --> 01:22:04,550
Can we get me?

1191
01:22:05,850 --> 01:22:07,430
It's not a project.

1192
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:08,270
I've got a public facility.

1193
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:09,950
It's a public facility.

1194
01:22:10,290 --> 01:22:10,530
Okay.

1195
01:22:10,710 --> 01:22:11,250
It's a good one.

1196
01:22:11,470 --> 01:22:11,530
It's a good one.

1197
01:22:11,530 --> 01:22:12,670
It's a good one.

1198
01:22:12,670 --> 01:22:17,990
Okay, we have some growth management director, so CDBG has to be specifically used for that

1199
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:21,970
load of moderate income as the library and the solar panel on there would just be benefiting

1200
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:23,830
the community at whole.

1201
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:27,990
It would not be targeted just for that load of moderate income and that would make it

1202
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:29,570
ineligible for the CDBG funds.

1203
01:22:30,210 --> 01:22:32,010
So you can't scan CBG funds on that site?

1204
01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:42,570
I think it's possible, I've had to do a little bit more research on there because that

1205
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:44,170
that is taking it up off and beyond,

1206
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:46,670
increasing what would be normally done on there,

1207
01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:47,870
so that is the possibility

1208
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:49,510
that the CRE funds could be used for that.

1209
01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:50,870
Mr. Burns, yes.

1210
01:22:51,650 --> 01:22:53,970
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it's possible.

1211
01:22:54,270 --> 01:22:55,610
I need to give it to him.

1212
01:22:55,850 --> 01:22:58,070
It's not the CDBJ thing, I knew it was definite,

1213
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:59,370
but it's possible.

1214
01:23:00,150 --> 01:23:00,650
It's possible.

1215
01:23:01,390 --> 01:23:02,450
It's I'm not saying it's definite,

1216
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:03,610
but it's possible today.

1217
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:04,530
Yeah, for sure.

1218
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:07,410
I'm emotional to say, staff brings back what account,

1219
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:10,210
we have a fine balance in that we could

1220
01:23:10,210 --> 01:23:20,130
Can a product on putting solar panels on the battery? What does it leave us? Blanket is that. I don't know if that's under restructuring or required, but I have to, what, let's try just a lot of it.

1221
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:24,990
It will still be a super majority because it's not on the thing. It requires stuff, time, energy.

1222
01:23:25,450 --> 01:23:30,970
It will put some effort into it. I mean, that part's easy. I think it's a good point depending on how the number goes.

1223
01:23:32,050 --> 01:23:35,370
I think, say, managers, I don't look into it for you anyway.

1224
01:23:35,370 --> 01:23:36,990
That's right, so the number is in there.

1225
01:23:37,090 --> 01:23:37,750
The number is in there.

1226
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:38,090
Okay, perfect.

1227
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:40,670
Now, Councilman Walker, additional comments,

1228
01:23:40,750 --> 01:23:41,910
your questions for Ms. Kuhl?

1229
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:42,550
Yes.

1230
01:23:44,330 --> 01:23:45,810
A word they're tourists.

1231
01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:48,610
Do you guys track tours when they come in?

1232
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:48,950
Do you know?

1233
01:23:49,410 --> 01:23:51,930
So we have an option where someone, if they're visiting,

1234
01:23:52,170 --> 01:23:54,090
can get a card they can pay for it.

1235
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:55,230
So we do track that.

1236
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:56,870
We really don't track tourism

1237
01:23:56,870 --> 01:24:01,030
because you can use our resources in the library for free.

1238
01:24:01,470 --> 01:24:03,810
But we do see a lot of people that come in.

1239
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:04,210
Great.

1240
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:08,230
The reason I asked is, and it might be something Mr. Barnes can look into, Mr. Degas can look

1241
01:24:08,230 --> 01:24:15,150
into last night, yesterday we learned, some of us learned, that TDD money is available

1242
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:22,270
for tourist development by things, and we spent $300,000 of the golf course of TDD money

1243
01:24:22,270 --> 01:24:24,710
for some fun things to do up there.

1244
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:30,450
And I'm just thinking it'd be nice if you have tourists, I'm not sure how we can't get

1245
01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:36,170
some TDD money into use. So put that on your list if you would. In my last just

1246
01:24:36,170 --> 01:24:39,350
little thought, I guess, because I know you're always having conversations with

1247
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:43,430
the manager and others. A lot of people are in your ear and stuff. I won't. Then

1248
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:50,190
the Mr. Jeter had mentioned a math problem. Kind of is, but not the way I see it.

1249
01:24:51,450 --> 01:24:57,390
Regardless of your revenue generated has nothing to do with the 3% increase that

1250
01:24:57,390 --> 01:24:59,970
that you were entitled to this year of that $12,000.

1251
01:25:00,370 --> 01:25:01,890
Instead, you got the $63 cut.

1252
01:25:02,630 --> 01:25:04,510
You could generate $1 million.

1253
01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:08,890
You can count limits you to that $12,000 increase

1254
01:25:08,890 --> 01:25:10,030
in personnel this year.

1255
01:25:10,770 --> 01:25:11,290
So it works.

1256
01:25:11,530 --> 01:25:13,210
I want you to know there's a difference in the revenue

1257
01:25:13,210 --> 01:25:17,730
and the expense of, it's more of a priority problem

1258
01:25:17,730 --> 01:25:18,670
than a math problem.

1259
01:25:18,810 --> 01:25:20,290
That's just something I want you to share with you

1260
01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:20,770
and the public.

1261
01:25:21,010 --> 01:25:23,210
So we'd like the priorities to definitely stay

1262
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:23,990
with the law firm.

1263
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:25,310
So thank you for that.

1264
01:25:25,470 --> 01:25:25,930
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1265
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:30,510
Thank you, sir. Anyone else is consul and jeeter? Just to clarify, I have asked CDD. You can't use

1266
01:25:30,510 --> 01:25:35,710
tourist dollars there. We had asked last line to CR-8 meeting when the standards here were told by CR-8

1267
01:25:35,710 --> 01:25:41,730
record. We can't use CR-8 dollars. We just asked CDBG. You can't use CDBG to have sent sales tax. So I

1268
01:25:41,730 --> 01:25:44,890
just want to let you know I'm traveling to a shop and everywhere I can't. That's why I brought up the

1269
01:25:44,890 --> 01:25:48,670
way through earlier during free space. We've asked all of those and been jumped down every time.

1270
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:53,250
Otherwise, I'd go for any of those funds to support them. Thank you, sir. All right.

1271
01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:55,230
Good, everybody's good.

1272
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:57,110
Thank you, Ms. Gold for being here.

1273
01:25:57,410 --> 01:25:58,790
I sincerely appreciate it.

1274
01:25:59,630 --> 01:26:01,350
So just to let everybody in the public know,

1275
01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:03,470
we're now moving on to the comprehensive budget,

1276
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:05,170
which is the entire city's budget.

1277
01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:07,370
So during after that presentation,

1278
01:26:07,650 --> 01:26:08,930
we'll have a council discussion,

1279
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:11,030
then we'll give everyone in the public an opportunity

1280
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:13,450
to speak on anything budget related.

1281
01:26:13,570 --> 01:26:14,450
So that could be library,

1282
01:26:15,010 --> 01:26:17,330
that could be roads, that could be police,

1283
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:19,730
that could be Garrett Sterns,

1284
01:26:19,870 --> 01:26:20,910
that could be anybody.

1285
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:27,110
He could speak on any of the budget-related items, so we'll do that right after this presentation.

1286
01:26:27,850 --> 01:26:30,150
And for those who need to go, please do.

1287
01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:36,510
You should probably wait a minute or so.

1288
01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:38,190
You should probably wait a minute.

1289
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:40,350
A lot of commotion.

1290
01:26:41,790 --> 01:26:42,630
A lot of commotion.

1291
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:44,470
I mean, whenever you're comfortable, you can do it.

1292
01:26:44,890 --> 01:26:46,970
But I don't think anybody can hear it.

1293
01:26:55,470 --> 01:27:02,480
I may believe with them as well, it sounds like we

1294
01:27:11,050 --> 01:27:14,810
could

1295
01:27:17,630 --> 01:27:20,950
shut in next

1296
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:38,780
agenda item I guess this is more of a bit of a burn so well some motions that are including the budget but are not on tonight's agenda.

1297
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:45,660
Do we need a super majority to take action on tonight's budget items?

1298
01:27:45,660 --> 01:27:49,080
That's going off of the budget line.

1299
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,000
Okay, so long as it's not like the thing that we removed that had to do with privatizing

1300
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,300
the golf course, police department and the library.

1301
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,960
But anything outside of that tonight, motions can be made over the budget with the simple

1302
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:01,180
majority.

1303
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:02,460
All right.

1304
01:28:02,500 --> 01:28:02,940
Thank you, Ms. Mayor.

1305
01:28:04,660 --> 01:28:05,140
All right.

1306
01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:12,700
Now move this on to Mr. Davis and he proposed fiscal year 2627 Comprehensive Budget with

1307
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:15,200
The city manager, Jason Davis.

1308
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:15,700
All right.

1309
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:16,340
Good stuff.

1310
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:18,440
Just two more things in the library.

1311
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:19,280
And we're kind of done with it.

1312
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:23,020
But we do still owe $92,000 on the loan from the original.

1313
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:24,740
So I'm just going to show that was out in Ether.

1314
01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:27,180
And the library.

1315
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,300
The current existing library right.

1316
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,140
And again, credit to Savannah.

1317
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,500
She gave me three flavors to pick from.

1318
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:35,740
Right.

1319
01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:36,960
One was a lot of work.

1320
01:28:36,980 --> 01:28:37,880
Not a lot of ROI.

1321
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:40,240
One was way too restrictive.

1322
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,320
So that might be phased through depending on next year's budget, right?

1323
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,220
So we set up on that middle ground that had no impact to the users.

1324
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,140
So good stuff there.

1325
01:28:49,780 --> 01:28:57,900
Before we start the spicy stuff, I think I owe the staff and apology because one of my rules is

1326
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,820
we don't allow weak people to upset us because that makes us weak people right.

1327
01:29:01,940 --> 01:29:04,560
So I started getting a little frustrated there so that's on me.

1328
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:05,200
I can wear that.

1329
01:29:07,940 --> 01:29:13,240
But before we dive into the budget, I did invite the Doge people to look at our stuff

1330
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,500
and kind of scoff because we're pretty slick there, right?

1331
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:23,800
Carol has rearranged her entire life several times, taking her daughter to somewhere so I'm

1332
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,540
hoping our schedule stays as it is because she has come in, I don't even know how many

1333
01:29:29,540 --> 01:29:34,560
Saturdays in a row, Marcus has postponed his eye surgery, so we can get this done.

1334
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,540
So we are now at the 11th hour, and we are ready to go, I guess you have to look on

1335
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:40,160
for it in front of you.

1336
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:41,100
Good thing it wasn't a cover.

1337
01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:50,080
All right, same stuff from last time, right, just so people reading at home have the out

1338
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:57,840
works, same thing with the military comparison over the last several years.

1339
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:58,740
The

1340
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,080
This slide shows what the selections were over the last several years and ultimately going that route. It was $3 million less for the city to use towards whatever projects, right? So that $3 million over the course of time is kind of a lot more money than that because of inflation. So all of that $3 million that's been cut over the years, right?

1341
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,440
that we wanted this year, but whatever.

1342
01:30:32,620 --> 01:30:35,160
Just want to explain that map there.

1343
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:36,540
Oh, what do you have in question?

1344
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,240
I would have been one man no more.

1345
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:39,940
Kill it.

1346
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:40,400
All right.

1347
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,320
So in that $2.9 million loss at that period of time,

1348
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:45,740
do you know how much we've received

1349
01:30:45,740 --> 01:30:48,640
because of that county-wide TNC expansion,

1350
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,400
where we got terms of revenue as well as sales tax revenue?

1351
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:55,840
Don't know that it would be relevant.

1352
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:57,320
This is the general fund hit.

1353
01:30:57,700 --> 01:30:57,940
Right.

1354
01:30:57,940 --> 01:31:03,860
So we get we get to use some general fund capital improvement projects with self-tax dollars.

1355
01:31:09,210 --> 01:31:10,250
Yeah, right

1356
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:11,950
2.9 million dollars to revenue

1357
01:31:11,950 --> 01:31:16,850
Some of that cut some of that as a loan money goes to pay for capital improvement projects

1358
01:31:16,850 --> 01:31:22,370
So for example tonight we're presenting on the IT stuff that should have been done several years ago for a lot less money

1359
01:31:23,530 --> 01:31:27,310
We're doing more I work. Yeah, I get that part the more we defer things the more

1360
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:39,170
I was just making a comment or asking a question of do we know because again over principle we were sold on expanding the tourism development department and sales tax so that

1361
01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:46,150
as we take more burden off of the property owner we use those dollars to fill back that 2.9.

1362
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:52,110
I would ask the previous council people what their decisions were when they were building contracts I don't know.

1363
01:31:56,990 --> 01:32:03,490
So, unassigned fund balance history, again balancing the budget over the years using

1364
01:32:03,490 --> 01:32:12,950
that unassigned balance is down almost $6.3 million, so that's just I guess over the

1365
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:19,050
course of time that's how the city has balanced their budget is pulling from that unassigned

1366
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:25,370
fun balance, not something that I've accustomed to but that's just been normal practice here and

1367
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:27,650
I think we're right back in the same boat this year.

1368
01:32:30,970 --> 01:32:32,030
Shilling right now,

1369
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,560
$156,000 less than

1370
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:41,560
the last year but I mean there's still a lot of work to be done. Last slide this was $800,000 so

1371
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,420
again it's moving target every day. I literally got two updates today that are going to change this

1372
01:32:46,420 --> 01:32:50,160
entire presentation, you know it's been a living breathing document for quite some time.

1373
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:57,880
So this one is one of the examples that changed as of like three o'clock today, TDC said

1374
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,700
they will not fund a couple of those projects but they will fund a hundred percent of those

1375
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,060
a couple of them.

1376
01:33:03,660 --> 01:33:08,060
So it's it's off by like a hundred thousand, difference, a hundred thousand in total,

1377
01:33:08,420 --> 01:33:08,900
don't you remember?

1378
01:33:10,620 --> 01:33:11,840
Yeah, overall, right.

1379
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:18,560
So that's going to change our strategy on where we move the the military just to account for that

1380
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:27,240
But the first two are the IT infrastructure projects that are long overdue. We had it at a disc fail last week

1381
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:32,120
We were able to get them out here to a contract and replace it, but they're into life

1382
01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:35,000
And you'll see whatever that says

1383
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:39,580
8.1% increase that 46801. So that's

1384
01:33:39,580 --> 01:33:42,120
going to require supermajority.

1385
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:49,980
Supermajority is it the state-and-aid

1386
01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:52,780
that the CNTS? Is that supermajority? The 4.6?

1387
01:33:55,460 --> 01:33:58,040
No, the 7% you know the union.

1388
01:33:59,620 --> 01:34:00,960
Supermajority for above rollback.

1389
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:03,280
Yeah, okay, okay, first go ahead.

1390
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:06,280
So $1.45 a month.

1391
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:14,780
All right, so some of the things that we might have found out of the fund balance in addition

1392
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:20,600
to the other stuff, so last year I was asked to put a lobbyist in the budget, they

1393
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:28,100
got yoked this year, got yoked, I mean Destin's lobbyist killed it, so good for them.

1394
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:41,620
Let's see. Fireworks, parades, you know, 120,000 there. The fire department, you know, the lady came last week with the baby that did CPR, or the baby, she did the CPR with the baby.

1395
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:54,060
That's the 25 K program employee morale. The people have turned out here for the fire department. We're kind of waiting on the cutoff date for that. I could use certain tax money next year for that potentially.

1396
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:00,960
Ashley Lane, that's a special assessment, right, that we're still waiting on that contract

1397
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:08,020
to provide us to scope the work and gross budget.

1398
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,240
But then I'd have to come back to Council, and we'd have to pull from fund balance to

1399
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,040
fund that even though they're going to pay for it over the course of time on the trend

1400
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:15,300
notice.

1401
01:35:17,420 --> 01:35:22,520
Council training, see-click fix, it's 16,000 a year, I mean you can call email me or text

1402
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:27,280
So if we're trying to find some coupons, that's for consideration, and then we chop that

1403
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:32,800
a bunch of vehicles that we can live with, I wouldn't recommend moving those vehicles

1404
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:33,220
forward.

1405
01:35:35,180 --> 01:35:38,240
TDC again, the slide changed as of 3 o'clock today, they're fun.

1406
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:44,240
All of some and half of others, so we'll massage that by the time we come back on the knife.

1407
01:35:45,980 --> 01:35:51,360
Some of our half-cent sales tax, I did try to get a little creative here, but I had a

1408
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:55,780
verification we got to pull out the grass for park improvements they didn't

1409
01:35:55,780 --> 01:36:01,980
agree with my logic on that one so the rest of them are approved conceptually

1410
01:36:01,980 --> 01:36:03,260
right and

1411
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:11,510
it's probably fun so get through COVID that was in last year get

1412
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:16,210
the out trying to put it back in this year just to help the flooding in that

1413
01:36:16,210 --> 01:36:24,610
neighborhood, the rest of them are pretty straightforward. Well rehabs and sewer system

1414
01:36:24,610 --> 01:36:28,930
lining, which just extends the life of your infrastructure right.

1415
01:36:33,170 --> 01:36:34,150
So the question

1416
01:36:34,150 --> 01:36:38,590
starts coming is, a lot of moving parts, like I said, have changed as of today.

1417
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:50,750
If it's possible for either one of you chiefs to just kind of step out the door or somebody

1418
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:54,650
But to just say, hey, you have a great lively discussion

1419
01:36:54,650 --> 01:36:56,790
and conversation, but maybe not right by the door.

1420
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:59,710
It's just so hard to hear anything in this room.

1421
01:37:00,630 --> 01:37:01,250
Councilman Smith.

1422
01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:01,810
A

1423
01:37:04,150 --> 01:37:06,870
lot of people are changing their schedules to do this.

1424
01:37:07,010 --> 01:37:09,130
There's much luck, the car team, and you

1425
01:37:09,130 --> 01:37:11,890
that are sneering the ship during this process.

1426
01:37:14,590 --> 01:37:17,350
It might have been on that side, and I couldn't see it.

1427
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:20,430
But as of today, like you said, even today,

1428
01:37:20,610 --> 01:37:21,610
some things may have changed.

1429
01:37:21,610 --> 01:37:28,490
Yeah, but roughly been in 2027s proposed budgets since today, how much would we be pulling from the

1430
01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:33,770
unrestricted savings account? It's calling plus or minus 3 million. Is that the last one?

1431
01:37:33,770 --> 01:37:37,770
No, it's unrestricted. Oh, I'm like, what's that? Sorry, yeah, that's all right.

1432
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:41,410
We're on the road for e-mailing. It was at the number still. It's going to be a little different right now.

1433
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:48,070
We're about 3 million. And when my consular pulled over the President in expenses, and obviously one balance, it's liquid, right?

1434
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:51,550
this changes every day was about 4.5 to 5.5.

1435
01:37:51,550 --> 01:37:54,870
We still don't even have the revenues from say that's 3 out of 8 or something.

1436
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:56,950
Yeah, it's 3 out of 8, I think I checked it in the morning.

1437
01:37:57,010 --> 01:38:02,010
But as far as I think I heard what you say is this 2027 proposed budget, we don't have all

1438
01:38:02,010 --> 01:38:08,410
the revenues and years out of it with, but as the budget sits today, you said we're using

1439
01:38:08,410 --> 01:38:14,590
how much to pull from the unrestricted savings account, 3 million to fund this year's budget.

1440
01:38:14,590 --> 01:38:20,370
and we roughly pulled out much last year's budget five million roughly last year.

1441
01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:25,350
That's my question, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

1442
01:38:26,570 --> 01:38:34,650
Dr. Walton. Sure. I was earlier, I've noticed it with the director of the library about that

1443
01:38:34,650 --> 01:38:38,410
personnel that brought it up to my attention. Once again, the three percent

1444
01:38:51,890 --> 01:39:04,210
that we're looking at using the actual operations that Mr. Davis has been struggling with to find out how a 3% increase is creating difficulties.

1445
01:39:04,430 --> 01:39:05,990
I want to know what that number is.

1446
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:07,850
The personnel was $40 million.

1447
01:39:08,270 --> 01:39:10,790
The personnel was about $32 million.

1448
01:39:11,450 --> 01:39:12,690
The operational is around $8 million.

1449
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:15,750
That means that the operation was $8 million.

1450
01:39:17,010 --> 01:39:18,190
That's the baseline number.

1451
01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:19,170
That's about 3%.

1452
01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:20,830
That total $40 million between us two.

1453
01:39:21,210 --> 01:39:25,530
So $32 million in personnel, $8 million in operations,

1454
01:39:26,630 --> 01:39:27,950
and that's $40.

1455
01:39:28,230 --> 01:39:29,690
If I get my math right there, $40.

1456
01:39:30,190 --> 01:39:33,690
And last year's budget total of actuals were how much?

1457
01:39:48,050 --> 01:40:01,730
So, Mr. Burns does not use the actuals, even though apparently council has given direction, does that conflict with the charter amendment to use actuals?

1458
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,320
The, that's kind of like where they turn it in general, beside that.

1459
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:12,300
So, great. So, right now we're using budgeted numbers, not actual.

1460
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,740
Yeah, we're using federal amendment that passed by voters said to use.

1461
01:40:16,060 --> 01:40:21,580
Because council told you not to use actuals, but to use budgeted. Is that correct?

1462
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,160
That's correct. Basically, you're 26.

1463
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:27,520
Right, that explains a lot of this. Well, put. So, 8 million in operations.

1464
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,720
and I'm just doing the math here.

1465
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,660
Last year a total budget was about 65 pre-eminments, right?

1466
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:37,820
I think we were somewhere around 65 million.

1467
01:40:38,220 --> 01:40:39,460
And mama, that leaves about,

1468
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,780
we had about 20 some odd million in capital,

1469
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,900
because what other, we got personnel operating

1470
01:40:45,900 --> 01:40:47,380
in capital expenditures.

1471
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,140
Right, and then we have all the enterprise funds,

1472
01:40:49,140 --> 01:40:50,220
especially revenue funds.

1473
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,620
Okay, so that makes up the balance of their $8 million

1474
01:40:53,620 --> 01:41:00,280
$20,000 in operation. That's $240,000 increase. That's what Mr. Davis is working with.

1475
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:08,620
$240,000 increase is what he's been trying to figure out how to work.

1476
01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:12,300
And we heard from Chief Bage, his operations were actually down.

1477
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:21,020
So I'm interested in hearing just Mr. Davis, how many department directors do we have?

1478
01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:25,420
I mean, nine, nine ish, are they all here?

1479
01:41:26,780 --> 01:41:27,700
Oh, let's see.

1480
01:41:35,530 --> 01:41:36,110
What's that?

1481
01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:37,270
Okay, good.

1482
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:40,730
I'm just curious with Chief Oninger's.

1483
01:41:40,830 --> 01:41:44,370
Thank you, sir, for sharing his operations or down.

1484
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:48,930
Just whether you can provide it or the directors need to step up and do it.

1485
01:41:49,010 --> 01:41:49,770
I got a question.

1486
01:41:49,950 --> 01:41:52,270
One question with two parts.

1487
01:41:52,710 --> 01:41:56,530
Are you up in operations or down in operations?

1488
01:41:56,530 --> 01:42:00,930
and are you up in personnel or down in personnel, trying to figure out where the money is going.

1489
01:42:01,130 --> 01:42:06,310
Where are the expenses going that are creating these problems that the library personnel has to get cut?

1490
01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:10,550
And it's really identifying the priorities that are being set.

1491
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:12,930
So I'd like to know if you know what I can answer that.

1492
01:42:14,250 --> 01:42:17,370
I'm trying to find a spreadsheet Carol made me a couple of weeks ago

1493
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:21,350
where it shows the library's way down, right?

1494
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:23,470
Because what's 60% is in?

1495
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:25,230
I can't remember.

1496
01:42:26,530 --> 01:42:28,290
16% reduction.

1497
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:29,070
Okay.

1498
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:31,490
I was looking at the people that they gave up.

1499
01:42:31,810 --> 01:42:32,970
So there's one down.

1500
01:42:33,630 --> 01:42:37,690
I moved one from the police department.

1501
01:42:38,250 --> 01:42:40,570
Sorry, one to the police department from utility billing.

1502
01:42:40,730 --> 01:42:41,530
So there's been down.

1503
01:42:41,890 --> 01:42:45,430
Police went up because that's the table that travels personnel.

1504
01:42:45,810 --> 01:42:47,610
So we're talking personnel and operations.

1505
01:42:48,010 --> 01:42:48,110
So yeah.

1506
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:52,670
So as you go here, the big piece of pie, we're under the cap.

1507
01:42:53,630 --> 01:42:54,010
We're good.

1508
01:42:54,970 --> 01:42:59,270
We've got folks to have some work to do, but we're under the cap, but we're balanced.

1509
01:43:00,010 --> 01:43:03,670
But some of them went way up because we transferred people, Gull, for example.

1510
01:43:04,230 --> 01:43:06,190
Some of them went down because they gave up bodies.

1511
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:10,790
So utility billing gave up one, Daniel gave up two,

1512
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:14,980
I'll talk my head off my word but

1513
01:43:14,980 --> 01:43:19,160
he got shifted from, but I did send that to you guys in one of the weekly reports I could

1514
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:19,960
probably dig that up.

1515
01:43:21,740 --> 01:43:27,220
I've got another obligation, so I've got probably two more questions here.

1516
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:36,340
That's $1.2 million in personnel increase in $240,000 in operations.

1517
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:38,720
I've looked back through the minutes.

1518
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,140
I won't bore everyone else with the timeline.

1519
01:43:41,140 --> 01:43:44,820
But through about four meetings and maybe three or four emails,

1520
01:43:44,820 --> 01:43:51,700
I was off-shared with you, and the rest of council, how I believe the system is to work.

1521
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:57,040
You handle operations as you clearly demonstrated that you did with the log ring ring.

1522
01:43:57,480 --> 01:44:02,840
As you did with the golf course, you control operational costs.

1523
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:07,460
You've received input from all of us at least once or twice.

1524
01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:14,800
It's my belief, and I'll be leaving it with you, that our obligation as a councilist

1525
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:21,040
to provide you the millage rate to be set and you're to provide us a balanced budget.

1526
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:22,440
We've all shared with you.

1527
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:28,160
If these guys and ladies need to stay around and participate in telling you what to cut,

1528
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:29,560
they can do it.

1529
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,700
I won't be staying around because I have another obligation, so I'll be exiting here

1530
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:40,140
You're just a moment, but that's all I've got at this time, so thank you.

1531
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:41,280
Thank you, sir.

1532
01:44:43,540 --> 01:44:44,340
Yeah, absolutely.

1533
01:44:45,140 --> 01:44:46,580
Yeah, go right in.

1534
01:44:50,820 --> 01:44:52,220
Oh, you've got a question for me.

1535
01:44:52,220 --> 01:44:59,980
So, the cat was introduced to the...

1536
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:29,980
Can you answer or can you tell me? Was there any type of strategic or comprehensive plan in mind on how do we work this budget out with a 3% cap? Because normally when you make a decision to restrict your here of your budget like that, you've got to have a plan in place on how do I move forward to make sure that the services continue to grow, the services continue to be quality services? So how do you do that?

1537
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:43,400
And if you put a 3% cap in there like that, and it sounds to me like you're being a little harsh on Mr. Davies and his style, because one, I think that has just been planned out, or 3% cap was going to come out.

1538
01:45:43,900 --> 01:45:59,960
There may be something could have been planned on how do we move our city forward and tackle the issues of keeping the services that we have there, or enhancing those services, or making a very, very common sense decision on how to move.

1539
01:45:59,960 --> 01:46:02,840
How do we keep our divisions afloat?

1540
01:46:02,900 --> 01:46:04,020
How do we keep the city going?

1541
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,320
For me, when you make a decision like that,

1542
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:10,080
I would think that somebody had set it around table,

1543
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:11,860
come up with a comprehensive plan,

1544
01:46:12,260 --> 01:46:13,600
come up with a strategic plan

1545
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,740
on how do I move the city forward?

1546
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:17,800
That's if you carry anything about your citizens

1547
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,820
and your city, you come to the round table

1548
01:46:20,820 --> 01:46:23,340
and then you put it out there and vote for the three percent

1549
01:46:23,340 --> 01:46:24,160
because guess what?

1550
01:46:24,380 --> 01:46:26,020
You got an answer on how you're going to be able

1551
01:46:26,020 --> 01:46:26,820
to manage that budget.

1552
01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:28,480
That's all I've got to say.

1553
01:46:35,670 --> 01:46:41,630
And it gives me an opportunity to bring you back to a period of time and history that many

1554
01:46:41,630 --> 01:46:46,290
of us were at direct part of upstanding right up there asking the council bodies to do certain

1555
01:46:46,290 --> 01:46:49,830
things and we packed the house just like so many of them did not.

1556
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:50,930
We did it so much.

1557
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:55,910
I remember on two of the occasions, we had people outside, we had a speaker out in the

1558
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:59,930
yard and we had a room filled over here that had a speaker in it.

1559
01:46:59,930 --> 01:47:04,910
I sat over there in that one and then they would call and they'd say okay come up and come up here and speak

1560
01:47:04,910 --> 01:47:09,510
And then then we brought that group that you talked about which I'm only going to speak for myself

1561
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:16,090
But that group brought up of petitions of your son by 1,400 registered voters that asked this body

1562
01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:23,450
Not these people this body to do something about the out of control spending and this body at that time told them

1563
01:47:23,450 --> 01:47:29,530
You don't know what you're talking about you're a ignorant citizen and we're gonna do it and one day in the future

1564
01:47:29,530 --> 01:47:35,010
You'll like it. That's what they told the voters. I think there were 165 members

1565
01:47:35,010 --> 01:47:39,730
spoken opposition one night. There were two who spoke in favor of it. So that

1566
01:47:39,730 --> 01:47:43,750
generated a fire in a group of people in the community that said, we're not

1567
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:48,350
going to tolerate that. So what they did is they put together the charter amendments

1568
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:52,990
they got the petition sign. They took it to the clerk of court and arts of

1569
01:47:52,990 --> 01:47:56,790
supervisor of elections and then brought it back here to this body. This body

1570
01:47:56,790 --> 01:48:03,610
sued over the matter, took it to courts to prevent people from telling Council what to

1571
01:48:03,610 --> 01:48:06,870
do with their money so they got fired up and they said, you know what, we're going to

1572
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:12,810
pass a charter amendment that limits your spending to 3% increases on two categories.

1573
01:48:13,370 --> 01:48:18,690
Personnel, which we now know is somewhere around 1.2 million for this year, that there

1574
01:48:18,690 --> 01:48:26,630
have trouble making it out or cutting lottery staff and they have a $240,000 operational increase

1575
01:48:26,630 --> 01:48:32,390
available to them and the only reason capital is limited is because the general fund has been

1576
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:40,830
depleted by spending so that's how it happened and so the people have demanded that the strategic plan

1577
01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:47,950
was operate within the 3% spending and that's it because for the last 10 years

1578
01:48:47,950 --> 01:48:56,470
those people had been receiving tax increases in the 15-20 30% increases and

1579
01:48:56,470 --> 01:49:01,250
now they were assured it was really needed but the people didn't buy it and the

1580
01:49:01,250 --> 01:49:07,110
people showed up in force November of 24 told this body how to operate since then

1581
01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:10,810
this body has taken steps and measures to try to overturn the will of the

1582
01:49:10,810 --> 01:49:15,990
people. They spread narratives to overturn the will of the people and tell the

1583
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:20,390
narrative to these many fine people here and now watching that the problem is the

1584
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:24,110
cap. No, but the problem is not the cap. The problem is a spending problem.

1585
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:33,910
Sir, if I'm even fine, Mayor. When you're dealing with a budget, you just don't,

1586
01:49:34,410 --> 01:49:37,810
and I don't need to know the process how I came about. That's not what I was

1587
01:49:37,810 --> 01:49:42,810
asking. What I was asking is, when you bring something to the table like that, you

1588
01:49:42,810 --> 01:49:47,650
pay the 3% cap, whether it's a 4% 5% cap. That's not something that you just

1589
01:49:47,650 --> 01:49:51,430
step out and just do it overnight. Wake up in the morning. I'm gonna put a

1590
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:55,730
3% cap on something. You've got to go through, pull historical data. You've got to

1591
01:49:55,730 --> 01:49:59,970
pull future data, current data. You've got to set at the table and strategically

1592
01:49:59,970 --> 01:50:06,130
put a plan together on how do I move the city forward. How do I move it forward?

1593
01:50:06,130 --> 01:50:11,290
How do I pay this? How do I pay that? How do I keep missing the public works apartment going?

1594
01:50:11,670 --> 01:50:12,330
How do I keep the

1595
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:15,770
Administrative part going? How do I keep Rex and then we are

1596
01:50:17,330 --> 01:50:22,670
Rex and recreation how to keep the PD? How do I keep the fire department? You've got so many different departments in there

1597
01:50:22,670 --> 01:50:25,310
You just don't make a knee-jerk reaction

1598
01:50:26,130 --> 01:50:29,990
Turn it into a reality like that when you put a three percent

1599
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:36,110
regardless of how it came to the point my mindset is show me the strategic

1600
01:50:36,110 --> 01:50:40,110
plan show me a comprehensive plan that was put together to come to the

1601
01:50:40,110 --> 01:50:44,950
decision that the city needs to be kept at 3% because we wouldn't be have we

1602
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:48,550
wouldn't be right here today going through what we're going through right now

1603
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:52,110
because and then you're getting frustrated a little bit with what our city

1604
01:50:52,110 --> 01:50:55,530
manager you're asking things and putting them on a spot which I think is you know

1605
01:50:55,530 --> 01:51:04,970
just totally inappropriate. So you were one of the masterminds behind a 3% and I'm simply asking,

1606
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:11,310
let me give you something that we can go back. What got you to the 3%, why did you choose

1607
01:51:11,310 --> 01:51:16,650
the 3%, and did you strategically look at how do we move these wheels, how do we pick them,

1608
01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:20,510
that's all I'm asking. Thank you. I'm thrilled.

1609
01:51:25,530 --> 01:51:28,810
members. I think that in fact, well, it's, no, I think it's a good

1610
01:51:28,810 --> 01:51:33,230
discussion. I, I, I, everyone's allowed to have a state and, and all that, but

1611
01:51:33,230 --> 01:51:36,510
right now what we're trying to do is work out a bunch of city managers

1612
01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:40,890
presented a budget. Let's ask questions about it. Let's make statements to the

1613
01:51:40,890 --> 01:51:44,390
city manager. Let's find out how we're crafting this and then let's allow the public

1614
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:48,050
to speak. Let's not get into these types of things. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And

1615
01:51:48,050 --> 01:51:51,430
before I leave, I'd like to make a comment to Mr. Davis. I appreciate his

1616
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:57,270
straight forward and there's always a tough guy. He knows where I'm coming from. We have

1617
01:51:57,270 --> 01:52:05,410
these changes. But in tying in Ms. Riley's statement, here I have one strategic plan to follow.

1618
01:52:05,850 --> 01:52:13,330
One, it's really simple. Operate under the mandate. The voters placed on us 3%. We're going to pass

1619
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:18,170
a military as a body. I'll probably be in the minority on it. You're going to be sent back to your

1620
01:52:18,170 --> 01:52:23,370
office with a middle-age rate determination and you're going to come back with a you're

1621
01:52:23,370 --> 01:52:26,470
going to come back with a balanced budget. Again, if these people want to sit up here with

1622
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:31,950
you and tell you things to cut, they can have at it. I can't. I have to leave. So thank you.

1623
01:52:32,050 --> 01:52:35,450
Thank you, Miss Raleigh. I did appreciate that. Thank you to Councillor Neill.

1624
01:52:35,890 --> 01:52:37,030
A lot of questions,

1625
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:44,950
concerns and thoughts on the budget.

1626
01:52:45,330 --> 01:52:49,650
Yes, question on the budget. More on the revenue side and it was brought up throughout the year.

1627
01:52:49,650 --> 01:52:58,190
But last night we talked a little bit about parking at Liza Jackson, as well as the Liza Jackson boat launch

1628
01:52:59,150 --> 01:53:02,190
parking as well. We've discussed some things about

1629
01:53:02,970 --> 01:53:04,970
some boat launch parking

1630
01:53:04,970 --> 01:53:12,410
Revenue streams as well as there was a concept. I want to say we signed an agreement back in 2024 with the vendors to start

1631
01:53:12,410 --> 01:53:19,130
charging for parking here, but has there been any from a revenue side concepts entertained

1632
01:53:19,650 --> 01:53:22,870
during this budget process to try to move forward with that.

1633
01:53:23,770 --> 01:53:28,590
I mean, we've discussed it and the consensus was we're going to follow the county's

1634
01:53:28,590 --> 01:53:33,310
suit. I talked to Jeff Peters again today about the ferry.

1635
01:53:33,790 --> 01:53:41,330
I'm not very part of the ferry concept that popped up yesterday and he's interested in that

1636
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:46,590
and tying it into the paper parking approach that the county's working on.

1637
01:53:46,590 --> 01:53:50,950
And so it's progress, but I can't give you an answer to your question.

1638
01:53:51,130 --> 01:53:51,410
I love it.

1639
01:53:51,890 --> 01:53:57,630
And while you're having the staff of discussions, I'd like to entertain a motion to try to give

1640
01:53:57,630 --> 01:54:01,150
you clarity or whatever y'all are continuing to have in these conversations with the county

1641
01:54:01,150 --> 01:54:01,510
of ballot.

1642
01:54:01,890 --> 01:54:06,830
They're synced by your project and we have a lot of the Jackson project going on, but can

1643
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:07,930
I entertain a motion to do that?

1644
01:54:08,650 --> 01:54:08,810
All right.

1645
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:17,730
Mr. Mayor so moved before the end of county or 2026 bring back a recommended

1646
01:54:17,730 --> 01:54:24,650
vendor to charge only out of county parking and boat launch parking at

1647
01:54:24,650 --> 01:54:31,270
Liza Jackson Park as well as at City Hall that uses the license plate reader

1648
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:43,490
and no staff. Any revenue created from this, half of it goes back into the City Hall Fund to either redevelop or build City Hall.

1649
01:54:44,190 --> 01:54:50,470
And the other half of the revenue goes back into that cemetery fund that was used to purchase. That's my motion.

1650
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:51,350
Thank you.

1651
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:52,170
I think it's a broke with.

1652
01:54:52,290 --> 01:54:52,430
Yeah.

1653
01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:52,710
Bishop.

1654
01:54:53,450 --> 01:54:56,330
The secretary is going to be able to allow him.

1655
01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:56,710
Okay.

1656
01:54:56,990 --> 01:54:58,190
Like it does actually be structured.

1657
01:54:58,510 --> 01:55:00,290
So that will complicate that.

1658
01:55:00,630 --> 01:55:02,810
So it needs to go back to general.

1659
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:04,610
Because it's already going to be once again.

1660
01:55:04,750 --> 01:55:09,370
So in the motion, just to go back to the any revenue created from this parking, go back

1661
01:55:09,370 --> 01:55:10,490
to general for you.

1662
01:55:10,650 --> 01:55:11,290
You can get down that road.

1663
01:55:11,790 --> 01:55:17,170
All of these that I've ever done, the parking revenue have to go back into that lot.

1664
01:55:17,170 --> 01:55:22,810
It's restricted to maintain a lot where it came from, so I don't know if that's a state ball or if that's true.

1665
01:55:22,890 --> 01:55:32,670
You don't have to, because if you've had a parking, if you'll start parking around the entire city, then it would just be a fun to collect some money.

1666
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:38,850
So you can direct the money to the spot, now there's an aspect of that one lock in the CRA district.

1667
01:55:41,370 --> 01:55:43,590
I don't think that makes it easy.

1668
01:55:45,690 --> 01:55:46,410
That's my motion.

1669
01:55:46,710 --> 01:55:47,110
Second.

1670
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:48,910
Motion made by Councilman Schmidt.

1671
01:55:48,910 --> 01:55:51,770
It's clearly explained and seconded by Councilman Jeter.

1672
01:55:51,870 --> 01:55:53,230
Additional comments, Councilman.

1673
01:55:53,330 --> 01:55:54,010
No, sir, Mr. Mayor.

1674
01:55:54,590 --> 01:55:56,610
Anyone with additional comments on this motion?

1675
01:55:56,850 --> 01:55:56,950
Yes.

1676
01:55:57,230 --> 01:55:57,710
Just a good act.

1677
01:55:58,270 --> 01:55:59,310
We need to do it.

1678
01:55:59,390 --> 01:56:00,110
Bring it back to that.

1679
01:56:00,230 --> 01:56:02,970
Let's see if we can agree to use the fees and agreed to approve it.

1680
01:56:03,450 --> 01:56:03,890
Let's see that.

1681
01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:05,610
Councilman Mayor.

1682
01:56:05,810 --> 01:56:06,610
Just a good question.

1683
01:56:06,610 --> 01:56:13,850
You talked about the decision. You included city hall in there. I know we talked about behind the revertile clause. We should we had city hall in that at the moment.

1684
01:56:14,430 --> 01:56:18,210
Like Jeff said, we're going to want this within the series of political work.

1685
01:56:18,590 --> 01:56:20,070
Correct. That doesn't matter.

1686
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:23,150
Including city hall that still currently has a revertile clause.

1687
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:24,310
Once we own it.

1688
01:56:24,450 --> 01:56:25,750
So that would also act.

1689
01:56:26,410 --> 01:56:30,990
This motion, it could just bringing Mac a recommended vendor before the end of the calendar year.

1690
01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:36,270
We'll see that proposal and then I just want to clarify on that because I want to step in it.

1691
01:56:36,270 --> 01:56:40,850
I don't really get it. There's one thing. Yes. I'll recommend we all to do in that school.

1692
01:56:42,270 --> 01:56:44,970
The river cost has actually been purchased. That's awesome.

1693
01:56:45,690 --> 01:56:50,450
And I would expect these kind of things to be ironed out, you know, what you'll bring us back, you know.

1694
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:54,430
It doesn't matter where we play right, so if we come back with the vendor, Eliza Jackson,

1695
01:56:54,970 --> 01:56:58,730
we can add others as we so fit when the time comes, right?

1696
01:56:59,610 --> 01:57:04,730
I still think it's more probably to follow the county, and then we can just pick that right up their contract,

1697
01:57:09,810 --> 01:57:14,390
I think what I've sensitive to as well as I believe is what Mr. Merrill brought up as well.

1698
01:57:14,610 --> 01:57:18,790
I think what you just brought up Mr. Burns is y'all iron out those logistics of obviously

1699
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:23,490
we're coordinating with the closing of this property which is the lawsuit and litigation

1700
01:57:23,490 --> 01:57:28,270
that started this whole thing but obviously in timing with conjunction with that.

1701
01:57:28,270 --> 01:57:29,770
Yeah, that's it.

1702
01:57:29,930 --> 01:57:31,470
Dr. McBrowney and Peter.

1703
01:57:31,890 --> 01:57:32,610
This is my right.

1704
01:57:32,690 --> 01:57:33,810
You dissed it into the calendar.

1705
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:34,430
You're right.

1706
01:57:34,830 --> 01:57:35,070
Yes.

1707
01:57:35,150 --> 01:57:36,650
I'm going to calendar it for December 20th.

1708
01:57:36,650 --> 01:57:37,530
I'll bring it back.

1709
01:57:37,730 --> 01:57:38,350
That's recommended.

1710
01:57:39,190 --> 01:57:39,910
That's what you do.

1711
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:41,030
Hey, Peter, how are you getting to work?

1712
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:43,310
Counting through the same time apart of the calendar.

1713
01:57:43,850 --> 01:57:44,530
Sounds good.

1714
01:57:44,690 --> 01:57:46,630
Anyone from the public wishes to speak on this?

1715
01:57:47,130 --> 01:57:47,370
Exactly.

1716
01:57:47,810 --> 01:57:47,970
No.

1717
01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:49,830
Yes, ma'am.

1718
01:57:55,700 --> 01:57:56,100
Hello.

1719
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:56,360
Hello there.

1720
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:57,160
Hello.

1721
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,580
Thank you so much for having me.

1722
01:58:00,100 --> 01:58:01,080
I have a question.

1723
01:58:02,980 --> 01:58:07,920
You're wanting to use surveillance to, I can't, sorry, is this better?

1724
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:08,460
Yeah.

1725
01:58:08,740 --> 01:58:14,160
You're wanting to use surveillance to see who's not from the county and then charge them fees for parking.

1726
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:18,800
You're similar upwards out there like on the mid-bay bridge that charges by toll.

1727
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:19,520
Okay.

1728
01:58:19,620 --> 01:58:25,320
Where there's no overhead that's collecting tolls so that when people that are outside of the county

1729
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:32,980
go and launch their boat and impact our infrastructure that we're getting funding

1730
01:58:32,980 --> 01:58:37,380
from people outside of the county that don't pay out of Alorum taxes inside

1731
01:58:37,380 --> 01:58:42,660
the county that are impacting the infrastructure for the people that do pay

1732
01:58:42,660 --> 01:58:49,600
the capital. So yes ma'am. Okay I love the idea of adding to to the funds in that

1733
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:54,020
way. I would just question if everybody would also support when we're collecting

1734
01:58:54,020 --> 01:58:59,560
collecting data such as license plate numbers or anybody's personal data or anybody's public

1735
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:05,000
data that we also make that available publicly what was collected so as a city if you could

1736
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:10,500
also include in your motion that any information is that is collected would also be made available

1737
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:15,240
to those individuals or to the public at large so they would know what information was collected

1738
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:15,880
about them.

1739
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:21,180
And I think going forward it's just important on all points with data concerned that anybody

1740
01:59:21,180 --> 01:59:27,640
who's data is collected is allowed to know if her data was collected and when and where and how it was used.

1741
01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:29,560
Sure, absolutely. That's a great suggestion.

1742
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:35,540
That's all. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Burns, could you come and speak to that for just a second?

1743
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:39,480
I know that in this situation, we'd be using a third party then.

1744
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:42,660
I think that's in what's the natural vendor response.

1745
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:47,600
Then that would be the appropriate time to be concerned about the data because I don't think on the front end,

1746
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:51,780
that's going to be anything and all the vendors are going to say they're yet

1747
01:59:51,780 --> 01:59:56,840
sure you're in charge of the data and there are limits first off to what you can

1748
01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:59,680
request from the vendor like for example you can't get a license.

1749
02:00:00,270 --> 02:00:14,670
Information, because that's protected from being at all times. Even if they do like it, they will not give it back out, because it's exempt. But I think that other information has a system that would be in contract. I'm going to negotiate with the vendor.

1750
02:00:15,390 --> 02:00:15,890
that's the last one.

1751
02:00:15,930 --> 02:00:17,350
That's what I saw on those,

1752
02:00:17,690 --> 02:00:18,470
the ones that you were calling.

1753
02:00:20,070 --> 02:00:21,030
And then,

1754
02:00:22,450 --> 02:00:24,270
it doesn't, it's a delineate,

1755
02:00:24,270 --> 02:00:26,010
it's a delineate where you live, right?

1756
02:00:26,130 --> 02:00:27,750
So it might say outside of the county,

1757
02:00:28,350 --> 02:00:28,770
27,

1758
02:00:29,070 --> 02:00:31,010
but it doesn't have the license plate,

1759
02:00:31,250 --> 02:00:33,190
it doesn't have anything more than...

1760
02:00:33,190 --> 02:00:34,850
And I think her point was just to say,

1761
02:00:35,170 --> 02:00:37,310
what did they take from

1762
02:00:38,190 --> 02:00:39,710
what information did they collect?

1763
02:00:39,910 --> 02:00:41,810
I want all that information.

1764
02:00:41,810 --> 02:00:46,630
Yes, so all right anyone else from the public wish to fly it mr. Black

1765
02:00:46,630 --> 02:00:55,190
Sky would like 128 for more mr. Schmidt. Where did you propose the revenue generated would go with this motion?

1766
02:00:56,070 --> 02:01:03,230
Originally back to the city hall general fund as well as the cemetery fund, but we heard back from our city attorney there in that

1767
02:01:03,230 --> 02:01:04,410
I mean recommended

1768
02:01:05,070 --> 02:01:09,170
We just pushed it back to the general fund which finds the city hall renovated perfect

1769
02:01:09,170 --> 02:01:14,190
Thank you, sir. Anyone else from the pub would speak on this item?

1770
02:01:15,550 --> 02:01:17,030
Seeing none, Council please vote.

1771
02:01:28,700 --> 02:01:29,160
Okay.

1772
02:01:30,420 --> 02:01:32,120
The vote is six, nothing.

1773
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:32,960
You name this?

1774
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:33,320
Yes.

1775
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:35,160
Councilman Smith, great.

1776
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:37,860
Any additional questions, concerns on the budget?

1777
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:41,020
We're still in your concern.

1778
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:47,360
The concern that it was a conversation brought up about the terms of money today as well

1779
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:48,600
as last night but not.

1780
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:56,780
But I just want to just show clearly a command and support council administrator on my understanding is there's a request from a director

1781
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:02,520
March, April, May, June, some government that are needed for the golf course.

1782
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:09,200
Also some needs for the library and other areas found out what can be qualified to use that fund.

1783
02:02:09,620 --> 02:02:14,720
And as of I think last night we heard that there's going to be a lot of funding that

1784
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:19,340
that subsidizes and helps us from having to pull from our general revenue.

1785
02:02:20,580 --> 02:02:25,440
And I understand there's conversations about how we're going to improve that process moving forward.

1786
02:02:25,660 --> 02:02:31,060
But again, in the past, we haven't always had the TVD funding that we're getting now.

1787
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:37,260
And we may agree or disagree on the projects, but we do have directors that are requesting projects.

1788
02:02:37,260 --> 02:02:42,840
and we have a council member representative that sits on a county board that helps us get funding for

1789
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:48,820
certain qualified projects that keeps us from having to use the general funds. I completely support

1790
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:56,000
the tourism funding for, not only the golf course, but I just want to use this time to thank Mr. Davis,

1791
02:02:56,440 --> 02:03:02,540
Mr. Geter, and finance, it sounds like they're cooking up something with tourism money regularly and

1792
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:06,620
And that directly impacts this budget and these requests and those kind of things.

1793
02:03:06,820 --> 02:03:08,600
So I do want to address that concern Mr. Mayor.

1794
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:09,300
Thank you sir.

1795
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:15,440
Anyone else from the board here with thoughts, comments, questions for Mr. David's, his

1796
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:20,980
neighbors, Mr. Burns, myself or the others on the budget presentation?

1797
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:22,920
Councilman Gierri.

1798
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:26,060
What do we expect the actual revenues will it be?

1799
02:03:26,060 --> 02:03:31,000
I will talk to you in the morning and I will be getting a general finalized estimations tomorrow.

1800
02:03:31,500 --> 02:03:32,420
So we can start doing all of this.

1801
02:03:32,660 --> 02:03:33,200
Any day?

1802
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:33,660
Any day?

1803
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:36,040
I have to have done it in a second.

1804
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:37,300
The website says August.

1805
02:03:38,580 --> 02:03:39,380
I know, I just checked.

1806
02:03:39,860 --> 02:03:43,900
We keep getting pressed with, we have three weeks worth of work, and two weeks worth of work.

1807
02:03:43,900 --> 02:03:48,100
We'll talk to you and have to understand that, but it's hard to approve budget.

1808
02:03:48,380 --> 02:03:49,500
We don't know how much money.

1809
02:03:49,860 --> 02:03:52,300
Well the one that comes to you guys on the 9th will be the final revenue.

1810
02:03:53,060 --> 02:03:57,120
Yeah, it won't change without anyone else on the board.

1811
02:03:57,580 --> 02:03:58,100
Oh, good.

1812
02:03:58,440 --> 02:03:58,480
Yeah.

1813
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:02,000
I have a number.

1814
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:02,440
Oh.

1815
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:03,860
We need a number.

1816
02:04:04,740 --> 02:04:06,480
She got a positive one there.

1817
02:04:06,620 --> 02:04:07,340
On a birthday book.

1818
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:08,000
Yeah.

1819
02:04:08,180 --> 02:04:08,840
Pretty much.

1820
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,800
Anyone else from the board wish to make any comments, questions on the book?

1821
02:04:14,140 --> 02:04:15,000
Yeah, last comment.

1822
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:21,700
I think it's as we get closer to the September meeting, not right now, not sure exactly what it looks like.

1823
02:04:21,700 --> 02:04:25,000
just so that we're all clear on knowing where each other's heads are at.

1824
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:29,620
Not going to support a budget when it gets brought back to us that includes

1825
02:04:29,620 --> 02:04:31,140
that roughly $3 million,

1826
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:35,560
pulling out of the undershifted funding. I'm really concerned about

1827
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:39,660
what may happen in November with the

1828
02:04:39,660 --> 02:04:44,860
additional homestead exemption, which I completely, I'm supporting as a resident.

1829
02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:47,400
But what I'm saying is we're going to have some challenging

1830
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:50,880
things to do and to govern and move things around

1831
02:04:56,460 --> 02:05:03,800
I don't want to start a budget that has that amount of money that's being pulled from our unrestricted account, especially at $3 million.

1832
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:12,700
We did $5 million last year and then next year, if this amendment passes, it's effective January 1, 2027.

1833
02:05:13,340 --> 02:05:17,220
So a lot of next year's budget is going to make an impact if it passes.

1834
02:05:17,220 --> 02:05:23,620
and future counsel this time next year if we keep depleting our savings and

1835
02:05:23,620 --> 02:05:27,680
we need to use it because we took a big pay cut that's the concern I got

1836
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:31,420
that's it Mr. Mayor. Thank you sir. Did you know Councilman Smith and this is

1837
02:05:31,420 --> 02:05:35,940
just a little sidebar what he said what he's saying we enough that if you move

1838
02:05:35,940 --> 02:05:40,360
to the state of Florida and that passes you're not eligible to get that

1839
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:45,600
homestead exemption for five four years. Isn't that a strange little part of

1840
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:58,360
I think that's probably going to get some severe challenges in the court, but anyway, we'll see.

1841
02:05:59,020 --> 02:06:03,840
That moves us on to the presentation of the thing I want to hear from the public here,

1842
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:12,300
so anyone from the public that wishes to speak on anything that was presented here tonight regarding our comprehensive 2026-27 fiscal year budget

1843
02:06:12,300 --> 02:06:20,940
just come on up to the front and state your name and address, and we'll let you speak, and I did say name and address, not name and address.

1844
02:06:22,500 --> 02:06:36,140
I have James Patterson, I live in the 37th Prawer Road. When I got my proposed budget, I was really kind of shocked because I was under the assumption that Mr. Walker said it was a three-step-safe cap.

1845
02:06:36,140 --> 02:06:42,580
If you took last year's and the proposed budget, it was like 32.5% increase.

1846
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:52,320
A lot of us are on fixed incomes, and with increases like that, it would be hard for

1847
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:54,800
retired people to live in the city of Fort Walton Beach.

1848
02:06:55,960 --> 02:07:00,860
Well, Mr. Walker was going on about the police budget.

1849
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:11,000
I lived in Destin when they originally incorporated and they had a problem that started a police

1850
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:18,180
department and it got kind of out of control because they had to have their own 9-1-1 and

1851
02:07:18,180 --> 02:07:23,380
dispatchers and everything and they went back to the sheriff's department.

1852
02:07:23,940 --> 02:07:30,080
Now what I understand now they have their own police department again but the math has

1853
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:38,220
Mr. Walker presented it, it doesn't add up and that is something that maybe City Council

1854
02:07:38,220 --> 02:07:40,620
should look at in that respect.

1855
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:50,960
And that may be a way that we can keep our budget intact, but when Mr. Riley was talking

1856
02:07:51,500 --> 02:07:59,520
about the cap, that cap is there to protect people that are on fixed incomes.

1857
02:08:00,580 --> 02:08:08,300
and we just can't as a retired person can't just automatically go and kick out

1858
02:08:08,300 --> 02:08:16,700
30% or 20%. We have to live within that 3% or cost of living, so the city

1859
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:21,840
should have to live under those same restraints. And I thank you for your

1860
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:26,640
attendance. Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Do you want to ask from the public

1861
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:29,420
I have a quick question to speak on the fiscal year budget.

1862
02:08:32,300 --> 02:08:34,240
Mr. Chamberlain, did I say I read this time?

1863
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:34,700
Yeah.

1864
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:36,720
Do I need to reintroduce?

1865
02:08:37,060 --> 02:08:37,400
Yeah, please.

1866
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:38,620
My name's Adam Chamberlain.

1867
02:08:38,780 --> 02:08:40,840
I live on a 700-clock drive.

1868
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:47,780
Something that I see here, I just want to reiterate,

1869
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:50,840
Councilman Jeter keeps saying that we need to operate this

1870
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:54,320
as a business, and the government isn't a business,

1871
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,700
especially when it comes to services like the library.

1872
02:08:57,420 --> 02:09:01,620
There's a lot of comparisons to the math that's necessary

1873
02:09:01,620 --> 02:09:05,620
to cut the library or cut chain move between a building

1874
02:09:05,620 --> 02:09:06,300
to save money.

1875
02:09:07,020 --> 02:09:09,860
But then at the same time, the golf course

1876
02:09:09,860 --> 02:09:14,060
is getting a significant increase that, yes,

1877
02:09:14,300 --> 02:09:18,060
can make more money but isn't providing a service.

1878
02:09:18,740 --> 02:09:23,520
So I think if there's ways to reallocate

1879
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:27,260
the funds in the budget to make it so that the library doesn't need the cuts or

1880
02:09:27,260 --> 02:09:32,380
need to be restructured at all and take some of the funds from the golf course

1881
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:37,340
to do that and then make it so the golf course maybe has a two-year or three-year

1882
02:09:37,900 --> 02:09:41,020
timeline or doing some of those upgrades instead of trying to do everything at

1883
02:09:41,020 --> 02:09:43,660
once, not trying to replace all the equipment at once, not trying to replace all the

1884
02:09:43,660 --> 02:09:47,900
golf carts at once, maybe trying to stretch out that timeline so it opens up new

1885
02:09:47,900 --> 02:09:57,480
funds for the more core services of our city like the library. When it comes to the solar

1886
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:02,700
I've done a little more reading on that and options that are available.

1887
02:10:05,780 --> 02:10:06,760
Florida has a

1888
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:13,640
statute of 49.145 for Guaranteed Energy Performance Savings Contracting Act. It specifically

1889
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:21,760
includes municipality which I think is what we are and what that is is it allows you to find a

1890
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:27,740
contractor who finances the solar and the work and then the city pays zero dollars upfront and

1891
02:10:27,740 --> 02:10:34,320
the contractor is repaid from the energy savings that are guaranteed during the audit that they do to make

1892
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:39,960
sure that it does have a return on investment. So that makes it so that the solar would be implemented

1893
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:46,600
without having any upfront cost, and it would immediately start having savings on the library

1894
02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:52,100
cooling cost and actually properly generate more money based off of a rough estimate that the

1895
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:57,680
library is about 28,000 square feet and granted some very general numbers about the solar production

1896
02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:03,380
that we could get. We would be looking at anywhere from 30 to 50,000 dollars a year in production

1897
02:11:03,380 --> 02:11:09,420
from the solar panels on the roof of the library, which would be almost 10% of the library's budget

1898
02:11:09,420 --> 02:11:17,980
right there, just in earnings. Along with that, this is a time sensitive thing due to national

1899
02:11:17,980 --> 02:11:26,120
laws that have changed. The IRS has an elective pay, I think it's 67-14, that allows tax

1900
02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:33,500
exempt entities, including cities, to receive the solar tax credit, the 30% refund, but

1901
02:11:33,500 --> 02:11:35,940
But it is directly cash payment.

1902
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:42,760
So it is a 30% cash payment to the city for implementing those solar incentives.

1903
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:49,660
I could not find it that payment would need to go directly towards the debt that's owed

1904
02:11:49,660 --> 02:11:55,260
to the solar, but it definitely something to look into as you guys voted on, looking into

1905
02:11:55,260 --> 02:12:00,740
solar on the library, into those specific aspects to see if that would make it a lot more financially

1906
02:12:00,740 --> 02:12:04,580
feasible to make it a lot easier to generate money for the library.

1907
02:12:05,260 --> 02:12:09,900
Even if you aren't able to utilize those resources, I feel like

1908
02:12:10,650 --> 02:12:15,440
since it is for generating electricity for our library, it should fall under

1909
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:19,760
the infrastructure half-cent sales tax. And there should be a way that it can be

1910
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:23,640
qualified under that. I mean, especially since the police department is

1911
02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:26,200
shooting a kitchen remodel in there, the fire department is getting a bay door,

1912
02:12:26,200 --> 02:12:28,060
or the auditorium's getting a re-brew.

1913
02:12:28,300 --> 02:12:30,200
I mean solar is infrastructure.

1914
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:32,520
That's not a service that the library is providing.

1915
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:34,180
You would be infrastructure for the library.

1916
02:12:34,500 --> 02:12:36,400
So I feel like even if we can't get it out there,

1917
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:39,060
it should be able to come out of the infrastructure sales tax.

1918
02:12:39,780 --> 02:12:42,200
And it does come out of the infrastructure sales tax.

1919
02:12:42,940 --> 02:12:45,700
We'd be looking at a return on investment

1920
02:12:45,700 --> 02:12:50,080
and about 10 to 12 years to where it's like we'd be net gaming.

1921
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:53,300
And since the building is only I think 24 years old

1922
02:12:53,300 --> 02:12:59,740
and we've got what 50 years on most commercial buildings, a lifespan that gives plenty of

1923
02:12:59,740 --> 02:13:07,020
light for the solar to give plenty of return on investment into the future, so that's all

1924
02:13:07,020 --> 02:13:07,260
we have.

1925
02:13:07,580 --> 02:13:08,380
I appreciate it, sir.

1926
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:08,980
You're welcome.

1927
02:13:09,120 --> 02:13:09,840
Thank you very much.

1928
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:17,870
Anyone else from the public wish to speak?

1929
02:13:18,830 --> 02:13:21,110
Hi, Mr. Pounder's 21 Comments Street.

1930
02:13:21,730 --> 02:13:22,930
I just had a question.

1931
02:13:23,050 --> 02:13:23,690
First a comment.

1932
02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:27,810
I wanted to reiterate, too, about the running the library or running a lot of the services

1933
02:13:27,810 --> 02:13:32,170
that a government does as a business, it's actually a government is solving more complex problems

1934
02:13:32,170 --> 02:13:37,230
that businesses don't solve, can't bankrupt and start over with a government.

1935
02:13:37,490 --> 02:13:42,570
But I feel like, I don't know if the rest of folks feel like this, but there's these political

1936
02:13:42,570 --> 02:13:49,350
jobs that are going on about specifically the library instead of focusing on like, can you tell me,

1937
02:13:49,410 --> 02:13:56,070
and I'm sorry, I've been out of town, what is the cost per taxpayer per year for library use?

1938
02:13:56,070 --> 02:13:58,110
Does anyone have that number?

1939
02:14:00,130 --> 02:14:02,210
It's around $23 per year.

1940
02:14:02,290 --> 02:14:03,670
So $23 a year?

1941
02:14:04,230 --> 02:14:04,950
A per person.

1942
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:06,030
A per person, right?

1943
02:14:06,930 --> 02:14:09,850
And this is a service that's equitable to anybody in the

1944
02:14:09,850 --> 02:14:11,170
socioeconomic class.

1945
02:14:11,330 --> 02:14:13,830
And here, a lot of folks on here are talking about how they

1946
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:14,250
benefited.

1947
02:14:14,890 --> 02:14:16,470
And they feel like you're turning around and you're pulling

1948
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:17,230
that ladder up.

1949
02:14:17,930 --> 02:14:21,290
And there's so many people that benefit from the library

1950
02:14:21,290 --> 02:14:23,670
beyond a business-making adventure.

1951
02:14:23,670 --> 02:14:27,990
And so I just think when we're talking about these things and presenting them, people aren't

1952
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:32,810
seeing the real amounts of what it's actually costing $23 a year, I mean that's unbelievable

1953
02:14:32,810 --> 02:14:34,230
to the service that are provided.

1954
02:14:34,610 --> 02:14:39,830
And understand we have to make difficult budget decisions and we've got more coming in the

1955
02:14:39,830 --> 02:14:40,730
pipeline potentially.

1956
02:14:41,010 --> 02:14:46,650
I completely understand that, but I just feel like it's got to move away from the political

1957
02:14:46,650 --> 02:14:51,290
arguments and get into the nitty-gritty of what are you providing the citizens as a service

1958
02:14:51,290 --> 02:14:55,790
that we appreciate and we want to see and we understand it clearly when we come up here to talk about it.

1959
02:14:56,150 --> 02:14:56,450
Thank you.

1960
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:57,630
Thank you, Mr. County.

1961
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:03,440
Yes, ma'am.

1962
02:15:06,220 --> 02:15:31,980
Mayor and the council members. I understand that I live at 216, Flea and Fort Walton Beach for the past 30 plus some odd years. I don't know. Okay. So I understand the city is in a difficult financial position. I understand the pressure on the general fund and that the difficult decisions may be necessary.

1963
02:15:31,980 --> 02:15:38,280
But a difficult budget should not become an opportunity for a fire sale of city services and properties.

1964
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:44,040
Before we restructure, outsource, consolidate, privatize, or currently reduce services.

1965
02:15:44,780 --> 02:15:48,460
I think the city should follow a basic budgeting principle.

1966
02:15:48,700 --> 02:15:55,300
Cut the discretionary spending first, defer optional spending second, touch core services last.

1967
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:58,940
And this budget shows that there is still room to do that.

1968
02:15:58,940 --> 02:16:00,840
I would start with travel.

1969
02:16:01,820 --> 02:16:11,120
The proposed general fund contains $99,235 in travel and per DM last year was $99,960.

1970
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:19,980
That means travel was reduced by only $725, which is less than 1%, it's actually 0.7%.

1971
02:16:20,260 --> 02:16:26,800
In a year series enough that we're discussing restructuring city services, not suggesting eliminating

1972
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:32,160
necessary travel. If attendance is required for a license, a certification or an

1973
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:37,360
essential operational purpose spend it. I work on the base. We've gone through

1974
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:44,040
18 months of what you guys are faced with now. Travel was the first. Travel was

1975
02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:50,960
absolutely the first that we started. No non-essential travel was allowed.

1976
02:16:53,800 --> 02:17:00,520
Optional conferences and discretionary trials should be reduced much more aggressively before residents lose services.

1977
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:03,980
Second, look at the proposed use of the fund balance.

1978
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:10,200
I'm still going to come back to that $150,000 for the lobbyist.

1979
02:17:10,340 --> 02:17:17,860
Half of that would have kept the library where it needed to be open Monday through Saturday.

1980
02:17:17,860 --> 02:17:24,580
today. If our financial condition is serious enough to justify permanently restructuring

1981
02:17:24,930 --> 02:17:32,320
public services, then it's serious enough to defer $150,000 lobbying contract. Thirdly,

1982
02:17:32,540 --> 02:17:38,160
public relations and promotional spending should be examined before core services. The city

1983
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:44,440
managers proposed general fund budget includes $10,000 for promotional activities. All of that

1984
02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:47,340
adds up, it sounds like a little bit, but all of it adds up.

1985
02:17:48,460 --> 02:17:53,560
The public information office includes spending for municipal communicators, conference,

1986
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:57,240
marketing, branding, video, royalty-free audio.

1987
02:17:57,440 --> 02:18:00,720
All of those are nice things to have, not have to have.

1988
02:18:02,300 --> 02:18:07,040
Individually, those individual numbers that I mentioned may not solve the city's financial

1989
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:10,700
problem, but that's not the point, but the point is the order in which we make the cuts.

1990
02:18:10,700 --> 02:18:29,260
If we're asking residents to accept fewer services, smaller departments, outsourcing, consolidation, or permanent restructuring, then Council should first demonstrate that discretionary travel, optional conferences, lobbying, promotion, public relations spending have already been reduced as far as reasonably possible.

1991
02:18:29,940 --> 02:18:37,160
And this has not happened when nearly $100,000 travel budget was reduced but only $725.

1992
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:42,180
I'm not asking you to pretend that the financial problem doesn't exist.

1993
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:52,680
I'm asking you not to use a financial problem as justification for permanent changes before exhausting temporary and discretionary reductions first.

1994
02:18:53,020 --> 02:19:02,360
Cut travel harder, eliminate optional conferences, defer the lobbyist, reduce promotional and PR spending, then show the public what shortfall remains.

1995
02:19:02,360 --> 02:19:05,920
physical responsibilities, not simply cutting services.

1996
02:19:06,220 --> 02:19:09,880
It's having discipline to cut the least essential things first.

1997
02:19:10,460 --> 02:19:11,560
Thank you very much.

1998
02:19:11,820 --> 02:19:12,660
Thank you, Ms. Erington.

1999
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:22,350
Anyone else want to speak on the proposed comprehensive 2026-27 budgets?

2000
02:19:24,690 --> 02:19:26,110
Mr. Azaretto?

2001
02:19:26,490 --> 02:19:27,710
Good afternoon, Councilor.

2002
02:19:27,710 --> 02:19:29,510
Jay Azaretto, 13th Annastasia Drive.

2003
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:36,410
Just a couple of questions in relation to Mr. Berry's motion to move the library

2004
02:19:36,410 --> 02:19:40,910
from downtown. I'm for one against that. I feel like a lot of people in this

2005
02:19:40,910 --> 02:19:45,970
room are as well. So I just want to post a couple of questions in regards to

2006
02:19:45,970 --> 02:19:52,770
that. What would happen? What would the loss of roughly 81,000 annualized

2007
02:19:52,770 --> 02:19:58,610
library visits mean for downtown foot traffic? That would make a big impact in my

2008
02:19:58,610 --> 02:20:03,190
world. How much business activity is generated by patrons before and after

2009
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:07,430
library visits. I know when I go and visit the library I spend a lot of money down town.

2010
02:20:08,690 --> 02:20:13,590
How is removing a heavily used public downtown destination aligned with the goals of the community

2011
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:18,690
redevelopment agency? I don't think it does. So these are just questions that we need

2012
02:20:18,690 --> 02:20:22,190
to answer when we have that discussion and I just wanted to bring that to your attention.

2013
02:20:22,570 --> 02:20:28,170
I think the discussion of solar panels to help offset some of the power at the library is

2014
02:20:28,170 --> 02:20:34,670
an excellent idea, and I wish that you guys would explore that a little bit more, but just keep our library downtown, please.

2015
02:20:35,630 --> 02:20:36,510
Thank you, Mr. Brown.

2016
02:20:41,820 --> 02:20:43,720
Anyone else wish to speak? Mr. Leibowitz.

2017
02:20:45,460 --> 02:20:52,080
A little bit, just kind of a very circle following the beach. I want to try and hit on both the golf course and the library if I have time.

2018
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:59,500
The golf course, if that does get privatized, we still own it. It just gets leased out, is that correct?

2019
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:07,060
The Air Force Base Center's Aegean Air Force Base Center is the land they've allowed the city to use it as long as it's far away.

2020
02:21:07,080 --> 02:21:13,420
But we would lease it and then whenever the lease is up however long it's for we would get the golf course back, is that correct?

2021
02:21:13,560 --> 02:21:18,420
It kind of remains in legal jeopardy as far as we've ever asked.

2022
02:21:19,220 --> 02:21:19,500
Okay.

2023
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:23,880
You know how you work in the DOD sector, correct?

2024
02:21:24,220 --> 02:21:29,500
You know how it can be totally fine until you go and ask them,

2025
02:21:29,740 --> 02:21:33,260
hey, remember that thing you did hundred years ago

2026
02:21:33,260 --> 02:21:35,080
and you let us use that piece of land?

2027
02:21:35,780 --> 02:21:38,520
Is it cool if we, you know, lease it out to somebody else?

2028
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:39,600
Well, if we, okay.

2029
02:21:39,960 --> 02:21:41,540
So, you know what I mean?

2030
02:21:41,940 --> 02:21:42,960
Like, right now it's fine.

2031
02:21:43,260 --> 02:21:44,820
And it could be fine.

2032
02:21:45,060 --> 02:21:46,960
But you just never know until you ask that question.

2033
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:54,500
With regards to the library, I'm finding parallels to what happened last night and all the people

2034
02:21:54,500 --> 02:21:58,120
that were outside this, this is a Donald Pact here, it was packed in the con question earlier.

2035
02:21:58,640 --> 02:22:03,320
I'm finding parallels to what's going on right now and some previous meetings that we had.

2036
02:22:03,420 --> 02:22:07,800
One of them he ironically referenced and that was the meeting when he was trying to talk to

2037
02:22:07,800 --> 02:22:08,600
you about the people outside.

2038
02:22:08,700 --> 02:22:14,700
That was October of 2019, the second passage of the fire assessment fee would set all the

2039
02:22:14,700 --> 02:22:16,100
petitions in motion which got this.

2040
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:21,320
And on that night all the people came to this podium and they said we don't want it. We don't want it. We don't want it and

2041
02:22:21,780 --> 02:22:26,120
Councilman Nick Eligret will sit in right over there said, you know, this is great for the city

2042
02:22:26,740 --> 02:22:29,560
but I represent the citizen not the city and

2043
02:22:31,080 --> 02:22:37,400
I paraphrase and but with all these people that come into this podium saying they don't want. I can't I have to change my vote

2044
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:42,100
I can't vote for it. Two months later came the Lake Drive project the

2045
02:22:42,100 --> 02:22:47,960
the development and the people that live on Lake Drive in December 2019 came to

2046
02:22:47,960 --> 02:22:51,020
this podium and they said we don't want it we don't want it we don't want it and

2047
02:22:51,020 --> 02:22:55,980
Dave Schmidt said you know there's no doubt this is great for the city but I

2048
02:22:55,980 --> 02:23:00,020
represent the citizens not the city and they're telling me they don't want it it's

2049
02:23:00,020 --> 02:23:04,040
in the best interest of the citizens not to do it regardless of the city and so

2050
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:07,540
it all reverts back to in fact in March of 21 I came to this podium calling out

2051
02:23:07,540 --> 02:23:12,680
those uh those for the four people that voted and gave us the fire assessment fee and in my comments there

2052
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:18,940
I went back to the very basics that I'm going to right now that I've said a hundred times you can have the city without the citizen

2053
02:23:18,940 --> 02:23:25,440
but not the the citizen you can have a citizen without a city but you cannot have a city without citizens as those are not my word

2054
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:30,780
I just love those words but they're not mine but then you take that and you roll it into when there's a conflict of interest

2055
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:36,960
between what is best for the city and what is best for the citizen the citizen has to win every time

2056
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:41,380
and that's what I'm seeing with this library and so you had you realized that in

2057
02:23:41,380 --> 02:23:46,320
October 2019 you realized that in December of 2019 I've been saying it I'm

2058
02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:50,920
realizing it right now I would have gone but fine if the library went away it

2059
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:54,820
took me three years to notice the only time I go there is what he gives away free

2060
02:23:54,820 --> 02:23:59,640
coffee so if the library went three years or not be shopping and all the I'd come to

2061
02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:03,660
the coffee aisle and I'd say didn't this used to be the library and that's how I've

2062
02:24:03,660 --> 02:24:07,440
notice. But so I'm not saying this for me, but I'm saying this because I'm seeing the

2063
02:24:07,440 --> 02:24:13,080
citizen speak. Now, with regards to the citizens, we're not going to get everything we want.

2064
02:24:13,240 --> 02:24:19,440
They might have to move it from downtown. You keep talking about the tough, the math

2065
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:25,220
problem and the math problem might lead it out of town. But the citizens, it's in the

2066
02:24:25,220 --> 02:24:29,300
best interest of the city to get rid of that library. It's in the best interest of the

2067
02:24:29,300 --> 02:24:34,980
citizens to keep it. The citizens have to win. If it's not downtown, it's not downtown.

2068
02:24:35,260 --> 02:24:39,620
And by the way, we have one thing that no other city in Florida has. We have Jason Davis

2069
02:24:39,620 --> 02:24:44,480
as our city manager. And with her without a library, he's going to get us below 3%. That's

2070
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:45,860
all I got. Thank you, sir.

2071
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:55,320
Very well done. Anybody want to follow that?

2072
02:24:59,210 --> 02:25:03,130
So I do need to circle back on some of those comments just so we're all playing on the same

2073
02:25:03,130 --> 02:25:05,850
Sure, so the lobbyist is not in the budget.

2074
02:25:06,370 --> 02:25:07,550
No, I know, that's a good idea.

2075
02:25:08,350 --> 02:25:10,050
I'm talking to the people that are telling me

2076
02:25:10,050 --> 02:25:10,830
to get to the lobbyist.

2077
02:25:14,650 --> 02:25:15,810
So it's not in.

2078
02:25:15,910 --> 02:25:18,890
I was told to put it in last year, pulled it out,

2079
02:25:18,990 --> 02:25:19,710
because it just didn't fit.

2080
02:25:20,210 --> 02:25:22,310
When you track it for this year, it doesn't fit.

2081
02:25:23,790 --> 02:25:24,850
Travel, right?

2082
02:25:26,070 --> 02:25:27,010
I have had it.

2083
02:25:27,450 --> 02:25:29,810
You know, I got to give credit to six of the seven.

2084
02:25:29,810 --> 02:25:32,290
They've worked very hand in hand with me

2085
02:25:32,290 --> 02:25:36,830
trying to navigate some of this and I'm not here to say yes to everything that

2086
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:41,290
bring to me, right? One of the concepts was cut the travel and the training and

2087
02:25:41,930 --> 02:25:46,250
I am not okay with that because we have guys making $17 an hour and they're

2088
02:25:46,250 --> 02:25:51,170
trying to build a career and move up and they have to go to these extra training so

2089
02:25:51,170 --> 02:25:55,490
their their knowledge base grows, right? And I'm not going to make a $17 an hour

2090
02:25:55,490 --> 02:26:00,470
dude go pay for his water license, that's a party felt. He has to have it to touch

2091
02:26:00,470 --> 02:26:06,530
the pipe. Anybody in this city that works for the city, they can do my job. I can't do any

2092
02:26:06,530 --> 02:26:11,970
other jobs. I'm not an engineer. I'm not a CPA. So it's important for me to keep that

2093
02:26:11,970 --> 02:26:14,930
training in there because that's how they build their career and do whatever they want.

2094
02:26:15,530 --> 02:26:20,150
I love the library. Maybe had I spent more time in the library, I wouldn't have grown

2095
02:26:20,150 --> 02:26:23,110
up to be a city manager there as an over-gain qualified, right?

2096
02:26:25,980 --> 02:26:27,740
I don't want to cut any positions

2097
02:26:27,740 --> 02:26:31,520
These are ours, but if we add those back to the library,

2098
02:26:31,800 --> 02:26:33,160
somebody else is going to lose somewhere.

2099
02:26:33,980 --> 02:26:35,160
Everybody gave up a little bit.

2100
02:26:35,320 --> 02:26:36,220
Police gave up some.

2101
02:26:36,900 --> 02:26:37,840
Water gave up some.

2102
02:26:39,320 --> 02:26:40,420
Utilities gave up some.

2103
02:26:41,300 --> 02:26:43,500
Everybody contributed to get us under that cap, right?

2104
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:47,020
So, again, I don't want it, but that's where we're at.

2105
02:26:47,800 --> 02:26:49,640
It's just not cutting the libraries.

2106
02:26:50,900 --> 02:26:53,180
That was presented to me as an option to help us

2107
02:26:53,180 --> 02:26:54,660
and with everybody contributing,

2108
02:26:54,660 --> 02:27:00,000
that got us on a loud carol to do with carol things, you know, carol things, and balanced it,

2109
02:27:00,420 --> 02:27:05,040
we still got some work to do, but that the slide in there that shows all the fun-bound stuff,

2110
02:27:05,620 --> 02:27:11,740
those are not in the budget. That's for council to consider, hey, they can, they do have the authority

2111
02:27:11,740 --> 02:27:16,520
to tell me you cut the training budget. I want to get a lobbyist and I don't care if these people

2112
02:27:16,520 --> 02:27:21,480
get trained or not. I don't give it that, but they have the authority to tell me that, right?

2113
02:27:21,480 --> 02:27:26,640
So I just want to circle back on that. I totally dig the idea of solar. I've done a lot of projects with that

2114
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:27,400
It

2115
02:27:27,900 --> 02:27:31,040
Open up for some other things that I need to get and navigate and I'll bring it back

2116
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:33,820
But our insurance on the property could be

2117
02:27:34,760 --> 02:27:36,340
Adjusted, you know because we've

2118
02:27:37,220 --> 02:27:42,000
Damaged the wind or the roof layers. So there's there's a lot going on with that dig the idea

2119
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:46,820
But I mean just to think it's enough automatic 30 grand a year. It's it's not not that easy. So

2120
02:27:47,740 --> 02:27:48,640
We'll do the homework

2121
02:27:49,740 --> 02:27:52,280
But I mean, I just want to make sure we're all talking about the same thing.

2122
02:27:52,700 --> 02:27:53,560
So that's all I got for that.

2123
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:54,660
Thank you, sir.

2124
02:27:55,560 --> 02:27:55,840
All right.

2125
02:27:55,960 --> 02:28:00,580
Anyone else from the public that wishes to speak on the proposed fiscal year, 26, 27,

2126
02:28:00,740 --> 02:28:01,600
and comprehensive budget?

2127
02:28:02,380 --> 02:28:08,100
Again, unless we're going to have some other discussions here as a council, but unless there's another motion made,

2128
02:28:08,440 --> 02:28:11,780
there's not going to be another opportunity for the public to speak tonight.

2129
02:28:12,180 --> 02:28:16,920
So do you want to make sure that everybody gets an opportunity to speak, at least one time?

2130
02:28:18,540 --> 02:28:19,480
Yes, ma'am.

2131
02:28:24,840 --> 02:28:31,040
46 very road. Very close to here. So I had a whole thing prepared and then

2132
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:37,780
y'all threw us for a loop here like removing it from the agenda, but I still just want

2133
02:28:37,780 --> 02:28:42,920
to go with my gut and say some of what I had planned. So there are lots of public institutions

2134
02:28:42,920 --> 02:28:48,560
like police, fire, schools, health departments, and libraries and parks.

2135
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:55,160
None of those things are designed to make money for the city.

2136
02:28:55,360 --> 02:28:58,740
They provide structures, stability, security, and services for

2137
02:28:58,740 --> 02:29:00,980
everyone, not just those who can afford it.

2138
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:05,800
And I'm just kind of piggybacking off of the concern that a lot of residents have,

2139
02:29:06,180 --> 02:29:11,080
with the treat the city like a business talk, because the city is, it's not.

2140
02:29:11,080 --> 02:29:16,100
I, yes, the financial perspective that you have as business owners, I think is important

2141
02:29:16,100 --> 02:29:21,920
and can be valuable, but saying treat it like a business, we associate business with

2142
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:27,600
a profit-driven perspective, and if your perspective is profit-driven, then that's concerning

2143
02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:31,220
to the residents who are worried about their services being cut.

2144
02:29:33,160 --> 02:29:38,140
And I hear a lot of people saying I don't want to cut the library, I don't want to do it,

2145
02:29:38,740 --> 02:29:45,880
And then Mr. Jeater in the last meeting, you did say maybe we don't save all $550,000 from the library.

2146
02:29:46,100 --> 02:29:50,440
Maybe we save $450,000 and give another $50,000 to the rec center.

2147
02:29:50,900 --> 02:29:59,100
So that kind of talk, what I heard was, whoa, we're now considering a $500,000 cut from a $550,000 budget.

2148
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,760
So maybe a little more clarity, a little more transparency in the things that we're proposing

2149
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:11,040
or thinking about. Maybe I misunderstood, I don't know. But I do hear people saying we're

2150
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:17,320
just concerned about the perspective of treated like a business because it was not designed

2151
02:30:17,320 --> 02:30:23,140
to be that way. Yes, we do have to generate revenue and I get that as well and I support coming

2152
02:30:23,140 --> 02:30:27,600
up with creative ways to join the right revenue because we do for the things that we value,

2153
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:34,940
the things that we really want to keep around will figure it out and also I

2154
02:30:34,940 --> 02:30:38,980
just want to speak to mainly this is for the citizens from my understanding of

2155
02:30:38,980 --> 02:30:44,400
the property tax amendment. Anybody wants to you know correct me on this but

2156
02:30:44,400 --> 02:30:48,420
if anybody has a better understanding than I do but this property tax amendment

2157
02:30:48,420 --> 02:30:53,720
does not cut all your taxes all the school ones remain and when I looked at my

2158
02:30:53,720 --> 02:30:57,440
property tax bill that was probably roughly a third of my property

2159
02:30:57,440 --> 02:31:04,440
taxes. And it also reduces the assessed value of like second homes, non-home

2160
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:10,620
studies, exemptions, and commercial properties from 10% down to 5%, right? So

2161
02:31:10,620 --> 02:31:16,240
that's going to lessen the amount of money that cities can charge to

2162
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:22,680
businesses, second homes, vacation homes, all those kinds of things. Am I right? And

2163
02:31:22,680 --> 02:31:29,760
And also, there are a number of organizations that have spoken out about this, and I'm just

2164
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:34,780
going to name them Florida State Fraternal Order of Police, Florida Fire Chiefs Association,

2165
02:31:35,480 --> 02:31:40,360
Florida Sheriff's Association, Florida Association of Professional Firefighters, 100 Friends of

2166
02:31:40,360 --> 02:31:47,400
Florida, Florida Recreation of Parks Association, I mean the list goes on, there is a library

2167
02:31:47,400 --> 02:31:49,620
organization within the state of Florida that has as well.

2168
02:31:49,620 --> 02:31:54,260
So, these are my personal opinions and concerns about the amendment.

2169
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:58,600
I do understand, you know, people are wanting to see less costs.

2170
02:31:59,180 --> 02:32:03,240
But I think it says something when a lot of these organizations are coming out and saying

2171
02:32:03,240 --> 02:32:08,060
this might not be the best pathway right now to try to save money because

2172
02:32:08,540 --> 02:32:13,940
it is going to result in loss of parks, loss of libraries, loss of rec centers, those kinds of things.

2173
02:32:13,940 --> 02:32:22,020
So I just wanted to just share that information because I think sometimes putting it in

2174
02:32:22,020 --> 02:32:23,280
layman's terms can be helpful.

2175
02:32:24,260 --> 02:32:29,880
And I think it's easy to criticize something if we're not using it ourselves or going to it.

2176
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:38,680
And it's easy to say it's not valuable if our mindset is we need to prioritize money over our people.

2177
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:53,880
but when we invest in our people, that is saving us the money in the long run, much like I might go to the doctor for preventative health care services so that I don't go to the emergency room later because I ignored something, you know, a health concern that came up.

2178
02:32:54,840 --> 02:33:07,280
So I would just ask that you maybe kind of rethink the way that it's being communicated to the city when we talk about treating the city like a business because we're people.

2179
02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:11,940
and people matter when it comes to city services.

2180
02:33:12,620 --> 02:33:13,680
So thank you so much.

2181
02:33:13,780 --> 02:33:14,720
It's good feedback, right?

2182
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:16,360
I just want you to have the number that's tied

2183
02:33:16,360 --> 02:33:17,760
with that property tax environment.

2184
02:33:18,520 --> 02:33:21,600
If it passes, I mean, the safest thing we kind of hope it does

2185
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:23,740
so if people see what actually happens, right?

2186
02:33:24,260 --> 02:33:26,060
Two and a half million, I gotta find a little two

2187
02:33:26,060 --> 02:33:26,540
and a half million.

2188
02:33:27,460 --> 02:33:30,100
I can't cut sanitation, we gotta take up trash.

2189
02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:32,480
I can't cut police and fire.

2190
02:33:32,740 --> 02:33:32,840
Yep.

2191
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:36,300
I can't cut water and sewer.

2192
02:33:37,700 --> 02:33:39,040
You see the things that are left over?

2193
02:33:39,100 --> 02:33:39,820
No, I understand.

2194
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:40,360
I do.

2195
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:41,260
I understand it.

2196
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:45,260
And that's why I wanted to make that statement about this is like exactly what it means

2197
02:33:45,260 --> 02:33:48,340
because I do think it was pushed out that you're going to save lots of money.

2198
02:33:48,420 --> 02:33:49,420
You're going to save lots of money.

2199
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:53,600
And you might not save as much, but also are you willing to give up some of the things that

2200
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:54,880
you enjoy.

2201
02:33:56,020 --> 02:33:56,620
And then it's different.

2202
02:33:56,980 --> 02:33:59,020
You can discuss a whole different tax.

2203
02:33:59,020 --> 02:34:06,800
But also I mean, I found it interesting when I saw that police departments and fire departments and all of them were saying we don't support this and we can

2204
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:08,000
Look that up

2205
02:34:08,840 --> 02:34:17,740
But yeah, I mean a math in my head just you know shaved a map. Yeah, it's probably be 10% of the workforce. So probably about 30 people

2206
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:22,500
There's 67 counters in the state for on a municipality's if

2207
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:28,780
They follow suit with that 10% you can see you're unemployment rates gonna go up you should lock stuff to crime rate, right?

2208
02:34:29,020 --> 02:34:33,620
So there's a lot going on. You've got to digest all those those those come to the numbers. Yeah

2209
02:34:34,420 --> 02:34:38,000
So I really appreciate that. I appreciate bringing that up as well

2210
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:42,600
And there's a lot of really good information that's out there that's very non-partisan. Yeah

2211
02:34:42,600 --> 02:34:49,040
That just shares how that will affect not only be disabilities but counties. Right. Yeah, and it's a really big deal

2212
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:54,120
And you know as mr. Coffee from the counties in here last night and kind of talking about

2213
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:59,080
What the counties plan would be and that for us in this county sounds great

2214
02:34:59,080 --> 02:35:04,620
We hope they had extra at once in sales tax some of us, you know, get our property taxes reduced

2215
02:35:04,620 --> 02:35:08,980
Those that don't own home that matter then they're just paying we're now out of the pockets

2216
02:35:08,980 --> 02:35:16,360
But you know to those counties that are in those super rural areas that people don't take vacations to

2217
02:35:16,960 --> 02:35:20,960
That's tough and and you know what what is the plan going to be for them?

2218
02:35:20,960 --> 02:35:24,180
So there's a lot of questions and I appreciate bringing it up.

2219
02:35:24,440 --> 02:35:26,380
It's a lot of counselling to you.

2220
02:35:27,220 --> 02:35:28,060
Oh, and you could sit.

2221
02:35:28,220 --> 02:35:28,980
I don't need those.

2222
02:35:29,080 --> 02:35:29,180
I don't need those.

2223
02:35:29,180 --> 02:35:29,800
I've been sitting there.

2224
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:33,580
Since you've spoken to me directly, I just want to say thank you for coming to speak.

2225
02:35:33,860 --> 02:35:37,660
This type of civic engagement with the red light on is no different than us having civic engagement

2226
02:35:37,660 --> 02:35:38,500
and very important.

2227
02:35:39,340 --> 02:35:42,880
VMI, I see you all in there almost every day working out.

2228
02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:46,780
The same people that we may not agree or disagree with on other roads.

2229
02:35:47,060 --> 02:35:48,100
We see in publics.

2230
02:35:48,220 --> 02:35:48,840
We see on the road.

2231
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:54,820
So, we had a, how long did we talk, very far back to the library being there in 30 minutes?

2232
02:35:55,100 --> 02:36:00,180
Very lengthy discussion. So, a lot of, I want to re-crawon out there and run it like a business.

2233
02:36:00,360 --> 02:36:04,220
I want to let you know me and for me and you talk, and I explained to you what the rollback rate was.

2234
02:36:04,660 --> 02:36:07,560
You didn't really know what that was, right?

2235
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:11,900
And I'm trying to show you how that's completed on fund balance, the money we had to spend.

2236
02:36:12,420 --> 02:36:15,000
So, I really thought we had to engage in talk and educate you.

2237
02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:22,740
I wasn't still standing on got around like a business and cut also you know we actually have to have money to pay for stuff

2238
02:36:22,740 --> 02:36:26,480
It's simply that simple. That's why I keep saying math wrong. I love the library

2239
02:36:28,020 --> 02:36:34,140
The Navar Beach Fire Department right now if you go look at the news is asking the county to borrow money because they're broke

2240
02:36:35,540 --> 02:36:40,400
We're we have as the goals that are there four and a half million dollars of unrestricted

2241
02:36:40,400 --> 02:36:44,900
We're going to spend three million of it this year, so Mr. Davis is just saying,

2242
02:36:45,400 --> 02:36:50,880
if this passes in November and I understand what you're saying, you listed all these organizations

2243
02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:55,620
that are against it. And you go back and read them all, look at them, all those are government

2244
02:36:55,620 --> 02:37:01,640
organizations. Of course they're against it because it affects them. I don't know if it'll pass or not,

2245
02:37:01,780 --> 02:37:07,100
but if you remember our 3% cap that passed, every government organization in this community,

2246
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:15,420
were they for it or against it? They were against it. No, I know. And it passed. So up here,

2247
02:37:15,660 --> 02:37:21,380
our packet, very easily, say, you know, a pack goes back to the golf course, or the gentleman

2248
02:37:21,380 --> 02:37:27,680
said, the golf course is making money. So you kind of got to eat, but he also said, we should

2249
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:33,480
use the golf course money to fund other stuff. We do. But if we don't give the golf course

2250
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:37,640
what it needs to make more money eventually the golf course goes our maintenance equipment

2251
02:37:37,640 --> 02:37:39,960
is broken we can't cut our grass no one plays golf.

2252
02:37:40,540 --> 02:37:46,160
And then a year from now we go we did the rollback rate we spent all of our money we're

2253
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:50,300
going to go for going to have to do the airship now we could be in a situation where we got

2254
02:37:50,300 --> 02:37:55,600
to pass another car fee about to pass a library fee to be able to pay for it.

2255
02:37:55,820 --> 02:38:01,660
This is not a price once they're on the city like a business no and some people have even

2256
02:38:01,660 --> 02:38:08,780
said, well, think about your legacy when you get all counsel. I do. I own more than

2257
02:38:08,780 --> 02:38:13,000
one property in this town. So it affects me about more than $22 a year as people

2258
02:38:13,000 --> 02:38:16,960
can use that analogy. And I'm still fine. I've voted every year not to roll back the

2259
02:38:16,960 --> 02:38:22,880
rate. I have voluntarily raised my hand in this seat and voted to pay more indexes.

2260
02:38:23,060 --> 02:38:29,100
Me personally didn't pass. But that doesn't mean that I didn't vote for it. So what I mean

2261
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:35,060
But as you get to a situation where if you just don't have the money, I'd love to point and kick it

2262
02:38:35,060 --> 02:38:40,700
I mean I'll make a motion right now to put all four of these things and fund balance considerations from a lobbyist

2263
02:38:40,700 --> 02:38:45,000
Maybe the lobbyist can get his library money concerts and fireworks put it all in there

2264
02:38:47,430 --> 02:38:52,190
Good luck the next counsel you're coming in with zero dollars

2265
02:38:52,190 --> 02:38:58,270
So when all your people leave and say you didn't even give us a raise last year we have no money

2266
02:38:58,270 --> 02:38:59,630
But that's harassing math problem.

2267
02:38:59,710 --> 02:39:01,930
I'm not trying to scare people and say the county's going to take this over.

2268
02:39:02,790 --> 02:39:03,990
But ask staff.

2269
02:39:04,590 --> 02:39:07,510
Everybody is concerned right now using the word restructuring.

2270
02:39:08,090 --> 02:39:12,710
It's almost like we can, I guess we can just keep swiping our credit cards.

2271
02:39:13,510 --> 02:39:14,710
But that's where we're at.

2272
02:39:14,890 --> 02:39:16,050
I mean, you had a great talk in the park.

2273
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:17,830
I don't mean any of that negative backwards you.

2274
02:39:17,890 --> 02:39:19,470
It's just that's where we are.

2275
02:39:19,770 --> 02:39:19,830
Yeah.

2276
02:39:19,970 --> 02:39:23,230
I can, I mean, you got to see the budget.

2277
02:39:23,410 --> 02:39:24,190
Tell us what the cut.

2278
02:39:24,190 --> 02:39:28,970
We've tried to steal both people to kill to cut stuff. We've tried to eliminate dispatch

2279
02:39:29,650 --> 02:39:35,430
Well, I'll cut travel, but then we don't have trained people. I'll cut whatever y'all tell me to cut

2280
02:39:35,430 --> 02:39:39,190
I mean, I'll donate my entire salary that I make up here.

2281
02:39:41,550 --> 02:39:42,690
I don't get paid

2282
02:39:42,690 --> 02:39:50,270
I mean that's sincerely tall y'all like y'all. Yeah, but you keep using it as like I'm a victim. I don't get paid

2283
02:39:50,270 --> 02:39:51,570
You ran

2284
02:39:59,230 --> 02:40:06,190
I'm not running again, I don't blame you because me being up here is a math problem.

2285
02:40:06,190 --> 02:40:10,430
I don't equal my pay and the city is going to have a math problem.

2286
02:40:10,670 --> 02:40:14,630
Our revenue and our account balance is going to equal our expenses.

2287
02:40:15,290 --> 02:40:17,190
We can chop it up out of y'all's life.

2288
02:40:19,970 --> 02:40:22,830
Sometimes when my kids want to stay, they get angry over it.

2289
02:40:22,830 --> 02:40:29,110
That's where we're headed, I'll each take every night, you don't have to buy it, but I mean that sincerely, we had a great talk.

2290
02:40:29,550 --> 02:40:31,770
You all have a good education campaign for everybody.

2291
02:40:32,070 --> 02:40:38,510
Yes, you all have a very, you have been put in a very difficult position with the cap and now this amendment coming up.

2292
02:40:39,330 --> 02:40:50,670
And so, yeah, I think people are just very concerned about the possibility of losing something that they love because once the if or when the library budget is cut,

2293
02:40:50,670 --> 02:40:53,290
We know that that is not coming back

2294
02:40:54,730 --> 02:40:58,610
That's not a we're cutting it temporarily, and then we'll bring it back that

2295
02:40:59,630 --> 02:41:05,970
I mean it or if there was a pathway for that we would want to know, but once that service once we start losing and cutting

2296
02:41:06,790 --> 02:41:08,910
Is there even a pathway to ever bring it back?

2297
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:14,070
It all depends on the money. I mean I begin when I ran a list of awesome things

2298
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:17,530
I want to do I got five kids I want to grow up here. I want to be soft

2299
02:41:17,530 --> 02:41:22,170
be as awesome as every single person in this room. Yeah. It takes money. Period.

2300
02:41:23,910 --> 02:41:25,830
True. Thank you, ma'am. Thanks.

2301
02:41:29,510 --> 02:41:31,610
Mr. Schmidt and then anybody else from the public.

2302
02:41:33,030 --> 02:41:38,390
In back off of that, I want to directly kind of respond as well. You're right. The education

2303
02:41:38,390 --> 02:41:43,430
information between what you hear or what residents hear and sometimes what comes out of here

2304
02:41:44,190 --> 02:41:48,890
is there's a gap in communication and the education piece. Completely agree whether it's

2305
02:41:49,470 --> 02:41:54,430
information that my wife gets and we have to digest what's going on compared to

2306
02:41:54,430 --> 02:41:58,790
what she hears or other you know close friends of the family. We have these

2307
02:41:58,790 --> 02:42:03,970
agreements and disagreements but I guess more specifically the narrative

2308
02:42:03,970 --> 02:42:09,830
about you know golf gets a lot and the life rares get done. The path that we're

2309
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:14,830
strategically trying to make is is where every single revenue and every single

2310
02:42:14,830 --> 02:42:19,790
expense that comes from golf is just from people who want to play golf and allowing

2311
02:42:19,790 --> 02:42:26,690
that to go fly and to go cook and whatever golf can do to maximize that as well as

2312
02:42:26,690 --> 02:42:33,530
too there's some legislation with this most recent cap that some of those purchases and

2313
02:42:33,530 --> 02:42:39,250
some of those expenses when the golf makes it to the enterprise fund that those expenses

2314
02:42:39,250 --> 02:42:44,150
This is that are just paid for by golfers will be exempt from the overall cap.

2315
02:42:45,790 --> 02:42:49,470
And that cap space can hopefully be, you know, used and operated.

2316
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:58,030
So there's a lot of energy and conversation about golf compared to the library and as

2317
02:42:58,030 --> 02:42:59,650
well as to treating like a business.

2318
02:43:01,690 --> 02:43:08,730
If we don't comply with the recent legislation of the cap, if we don't comply like a

2319
02:43:08,730 --> 02:43:14,650
A judge's designate could be inside of our finance department, making sure we're running

2320
02:43:14,650 --> 02:43:15,450
it a certain way.

2321
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:16,090
You know what I mean?

2322
02:43:16,450 --> 02:43:21,910
So, my context of the math problem as well, back since June, things like that, and like

2323
02:43:21,910 --> 02:43:25,970
I kicked off at the beginning of this meeting, none of the emotions, whether it's talking

2324
02:43:25,970 --> 02:43:32,370
about police department consolidation, library, golf, whatever it is, finding how to get the

2325
02:43:32,370 --> 02:43:36,370
math rights so that we don't have a judge's designate inside of our finance department trying

2326
02:43:36,370 --> 02:43:43,330
to figure out why we may or may not be breaking the law in the future if we don't maintain our

2327
02:43:43,330 --> 02:43:47,850
expenses and what the legislation says. I don't want that judges to designate inside of our

2328
02:43:47,850 --> 02:43:52,650
finance department. They already are doing so much as it is and those kind of things. So that's my

2329
02:43:52,650 --> 02:43:58,410
context of the math problem and and running it a certain way so that you know we don't break the law.

2330
02:43:59,310 --> 02:44:06,110
I do think that when you set when the comparing the golf course and the library they are completely

2331
02:44:06,370 --> 02:44:11,530
different things. And the comparisons came from City Council, not the citizens.

2332
02:44:12,050 --> 02:44:17,870
The citizens, I believe, began speaking about the library versus the golf course

2333
02:44:17,870 --> 02:44:22,290
because there was significant talk in the budget workshop about the golf course.

2334
02:44:22,930 --> 02:44:26,930
And it's doing so great, and it's making so much money. I don't hate the golf course.

2335
02:44:27,170 --> 02:44:34,610
I don't golf, but go golf if you love golfing. But it was the, we'll look at this.

2336
02:44:34,610 --> 02:44:39,590
it's making money and the library loss, loss, loss, loss, loss is how it was described.

2337
02:44:39,930 --> 02:44:41,490
And they have different purposes.

2338
02:44:42,270 --> 02:44:48,050
The golf course serves people who like to play golf, people who can afford to play golf,

2339
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:54,550
but the library services everyone in the community regardless of anything.

2340
02:44:54,550 --> 02:44:55,390
Complainly different

2341
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,940
What are they're on with the county and the school district? They both want school safety. It's a conversation about who's paying for it and getting the agreement back to where it was the 50-50 split. So nobody's discussing about wanting to remove the safety. It's who's paying for it. Completely different purposes between the golf and the library, as we address this math problem and the legislation that we don't want to break the law, we're having to continue to gauge the operating laws that the library's having.

2342
02:45:30,760 --> 02:45:34,860
And other things as well to make sure we're just staying within that map and not breaking

2343
02:45:34,860 --> 02:45:35,160
the wall.

2344
02:45:35,480 --> 02:45:37,040
Thank you, sir.

2345
02:45:37,340 --> 02:45:43,200
I would just also like to thank you for being here both nights and speaking about something

2346
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:44,000
you're passionate about.

2347
02:45:44,420 --> 02:45:48,540
And just as a general thing that I've wanted to say since we've had this discussion and

2348
02:45:48,540 --> 02:45:50,580
I don't typically get to say a lot of opinions.

2349
02:45:51,580 --> 02:45:57,280
We lose a lot of money at Fairy Park, and I think we should really look at that.

2350
02:45:58,860 --> 02:45:59,240
say

2351
02:46:03,820 --> 02:46:08,420
we should look at Barry Park's budget. I'm just saying I would have been sitting over there.

2352
02:46:08,460 --> 02:46:12,680
I don't know what I'm saying. I've got parks on the list. That's part of the

2353
02:46:12,680 --> 02:46:16,140
construction. There's parks that we don't use that we might have to sell to make money.

2354
02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:21,740
If the voters want to sell Barry Park I mean what I'm saying. No that's why I bought my

2355
02:46:21,740 --> 02:46:26,140
house where it is. So you want to sell Barry Park's paper library? No, she does not.

2356
02:46:26,280 --> 02:46:29,620
Okay, I don't need it. But there are. I want them both and I'm willing to pay my

2357
02:46:42,300 --> 02:46:46,560
I just want to finish my one thought because you guys get so many thoughts.

2358
02:46:48,840 --> 02:46:54,860
My one thought is only that you could compare the library to any service that the city offers

2359
02:46:54,860 --> 02:47:02,340
It's a service to the citizens with their money that everybody chooses to say we want this service

2360
02:47:02,340 --> 02:47:06,180
So we said hey, what do you think about the library?

2361
02:47:06,540 --> 02:47:09,520
We might have got some money from it because it sure does lose a lot of money

2362
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:12,220
It could have been hey, what do you think about these parks?

2363
02:47:12,220 --> 02:47:15,600
They lose a lot of money. It could have been any number of different things

2364
02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:21,700
But when people come down and come to these meetings and people send emails all day every day

2365
02:47:21,700 --> 02:47:26,500
saying don't do this, we love the library, we support the library. That stuff

2366
02:47:26,500 --> 02:47:31,780
matters more than any because in April of 2027 there's going to be four

2367
02:47:31,780 --> 02:47:35,000
different people sitting up here and they might have different priorities and

2368
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:38,160
they might want to close the library, I don't know, they might want to sell

2369
02:47:38,160 --> 02:47:43,220
Fairy Park. Again I don't know, but I mean it's serious like we have to have

2370
02:47:43,220 --> 02:47:47,820
these kind of discussions to make sure that everybody's tax dollars work and

2371
02:47:47,820 --> 02:47:50,020
And right now is a really tough and strange time.

2372
02:47:50,500 --> 02:47:55,240
David and I, Mr. Councilman Schmidt and I have been up here for God knows how long, eleven

2373
02:47:55,240 --> 02:47:57,460
years, ten years, something like that.

2374
02:47:58,320 --> 02:48:04,080
This is the most, I can't speak for him, but this is the strangest budget cycle I've ever

2375
02:48:04,080 --> 02:48:04,300
seen.

2376
02:48:04,600 --> 02:48:09,460
And the most complicated, and it's the most challenging, and it's only going to continue

2377
02:48:09,460 --> 02:48:10,240
to get more challenging.

2378
02:48:10,780 --> 02:48:16,320
So I would just defend everybody that's been up here, whether they've said it the right

2379
02:48:16,320 --> 02:48:16,940
way or not.

2380
02:48:16,940 --> 02:48:22,640
Nobody has ill intention toward our city, toward our library, toward parks, or really anything.

2381
02:48:23,180 --> 02:48:26,380
Everybody up here has just tried to offer items for discussion.

2382
02:48:27,240 --> 02:48:28,800
And what can we do?

2383
02:48:29,160 --> 02:48:31,580
How can we get to this number that we've got to get to?

2384
02:48:32,380 --> 02:48:34,040
Ms. Gerenton brought up a great point.

2385
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:36,680
I thought earlier about what are the priorities, right?

2386
02:48:37,100 --> 02:48:38,800
And that's what the discussion has to be.

2387
02:48:38,900 --> 02:48:44,700
And when you kick the hornet's nest of saying maybe the library might not be a priority,

2388
02:48:44,700 --> 02:48:50,600
You find out how many hornets will come out and say that's all hornets and that's don't mess with them, right?

2389
02:48:51,100 --> 02:48:56,520
So would the same amount of people come out, we would have said hey, we might want to sell a very park to J.O.

2390
02:48:56,660 --> 02:49:00,900
Because I bet he could build some really awesome townhouses there, you know what I'm saying?

2391
02:49:01,460 --> 02:49:05,540
And then so how many people would come down here to this and say are you out of your mind?

2392
02:49:05,740 --> 02:49:12,620
I can't hear that. The whole, everybody loves this park, it's a big park in the city, and then you find out what people are actually passionate about.

2393
02:49:12,620 --> 02:49:19,980
When this discussion began originally, it was Councilman Peter saying, where were all these people when we talked about this 3% cap?

2394
02:49:20,820 --> 02:49:21,940
Where was all that discussion?

2395
02:49:22,920 --> 02:49:26,500
Where were all the people on the second year after the fire fee passed?

2396
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:30,860
And after Mr. Readwoods congratulated me on voting no against fire fee?

2397
02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:35,120
Where were all the people that year on the second year when the fire fee passed?

2398
02:49:35,800 --> 02:49:36,640
There was no one.

2399
02:49:37,140 --> 02:49:39,520
Where was all the people when we lowered the military?

2400
02:49:40,300 --> 02:49:43,600
Nobody came down here and said, don't do that, that's a bad move for the future.

2401
02:49:44,100 --> 02:49:49,080
Nobody emailed us and said thank you for keeping my property tax as the same as everyone.

2402
02:49:49,160 --> 02:49:49,680
Okay, thank you.

2403
02:49:49,860 --> 02:49:55,680
Right, so I'm just saying, there's only certain moments in this city government's history where

2404
02:49:55,680 --> 02:49:57,300
people actually care about it.

2405
02:49:57,760 --> 02:50:02,160
And this is one of those moments and I'm thankful to see the amount of people in the community

2406
02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:05,180
that cared about this particular importance.

2407
02:50:05,820 --> 02:50:06,540
So thank you.

2408
02:50:06,540 --> 02:50:13,920
It has been beautiful to see everyone come together and come and support something and I do think in general civic engagement is

2409
02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:18,900
is lower than it used to be and hard and a lot of people just don't always know.

2410
02:50:19,520 --> 02:50:26,880
And I don't know that it's even lower than it used to be. I don't know what it is. I only know my own experience because I'm sure a lot of people

2411
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:33,360
also are beautiful. I never came to a city council meeting before deciding for city council for the mayor.

2412
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:46,980
And I'll have done a phenomenal job with Harry Park as watched it for 11, 12 years and I saw what it was when I moved by it and went through that tornado near it and see where it has come in.

2413
02:50:46,980 --> 02:50:48,120
With your baseball field.

2414
02:50:48,340 --> 02:50:54,020
And yep, yep, I saw it when the dugouts got destroyed with that tornado and it is a beautiful park.

2415
02:50:54,280 --> 02:50:56,800
I believe it's one of the best city parks anywhere.

2416
02:50:57,700 --> 02:51:00,240
And our library is one of the best libraries here.

2417
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:02,060
Thank you very much.

2418
02:51:02,260 --> 02:51:02,540
So

2419
02:51:08,390 --> 02:51:13,410
now from the public which to speak on any item that has not spoken.

2420
02:51:14,090 --> 02:51:16,770
I don't think you've spoken on my regular list.

2421
02:51:17,210 --> 02:51:18,690
So you're good, go ahead.

2422
02:51:18,730 --> 02:51:19,390
Thank you, my name again.

2423
02:51:19,710 --> 02:51:19,890
Yes.

2424
02:51:20,270 --> 02:51:21,490
Bobby Roe from Shalomar.

2425
02:51:21,710 --> 02:51:22,010
Thank you.

2426
02:51:22,150 --> 02:51:25,350
I would thank you all for allowing us to make public comments tonight.

2427
02:51:27,230 --> 02:51:32,250
And also on the Communication Secretary for the World Mutual Library friends.

2428
02:51:32,250 --> 02:51:52,630
and I want to take a moment to just let everybody know that we're a 501c3 nonprofit that does raise money in fundraisers and we spend all that money to help the library, but we need more people to come to those meetings, which are on the first Monday's usually of the month at 6 p.m. at the library.

2429
02:51:53,770 --> 02:51:59,510
But I also want to address the topic of moving a library, Mr. Berry, Councilwoman DeBerry.

2430
02:51:59,690 --> 02:51:59,750
Sorry.

2431
02:52:00,730 --> 02:52:05,270
You did mention that you were interested in moving it into the neighborhood where I

2432
02:52:05,270 --> 02:52:08,690
think it is Holmes and Jet Drive intersect, is that correct, or is it by the tennis center?

2433
02:52:08,930 --> 02:52:09,650
The tennis center.

2434
02:52:09,870 --> 02:52:10,390
The tennis center.

2435
02:52:10,670 --> 02:52:11,110
The park.

2436
02:52:11,610 --> 02:52:12,090
The tennis center.

2437
02:52:12,810 --> 02:52:13,130
Okay.

2438
02:52:13,410 --> 02:52:13,770
All right.

2439
02:52:14,210 --> 02:52:20,330
Well, I love the idea of a bigger library, as you said, and I love the idea of more people

2440
02:52:20,330 --> 02:52:21,430
being able to access it.

2441
02:52:21,930 --> 02:52:26,770
Those are things that I think are all on board, making it bigger, making it more accessible.

2442
02:52:27,490 --> 02:52:29,550
But I don't love the idea of moving it from downtown.

2443
02:52:29,910 --> 02:52:35,150
And my reason is, the same I think as anybody else here, it's a great location, it's an

2444
02:52:35,150 --> 02:52:38,170
icon for Fort Wong Beach, the Fort Wong Beach Library.

2445
02:52:38,990 --> 02:52:44,210
You recognize that big tower, you know what it is, and people love going there.

2446
02:52:44,390 --> 02:52:48,650
It makes a big difference in the community, and people come from very far away because

2447
02:52:48,650 --> 02:52:53,430
it's easy to get to and it's easy to see on 98. They know where they're going and they're

2448
02:52:53,430 --> 02:52:59,430
not afraid to go there. I also love the idea of solar so I would love to see more support

2449
02:52:59,430 --> 02:53:05,470
on that and maybe a great opportunity for us is to instead of considering only solar

2450
02:53:05,470 --> 02:53:11,830
on the roof would be considering a solar pathway to help guide people there and maybe make

2451
02:53:11,830 --> 02:53:13,550
get a little bit safer for people to get there.

2452
02:53:15,010 --> 02:53:20,770
And then my last point that I want to make is I really appreciate the time that you guys

2453
02:53:20,770 --> 02:53:22,730
all took to read through all those emails.

2454
02:53:22,750 --> 02:53:28,310
I'm super proud of for while I'm really showing out and saying, we love this library and

2455
02:53:28,310 --> 02:53:28,890
we need it.

2456
02:53:29,430 --> 02:53:33,650
And I recognize that you guys all did, saying many times that you support the library.

2457
02:53:34,170 --> 02:53:38,670
And I hope that you continue too, and that when those tough cuts do come down the line

2458
02:53:38,670 --> 02:53:45,130
that you do consider other things before that and keeping that library open where it is and

2459
02:53:45,130 --> 02:53:50,430
funded enough to run those programs that make such a vital difference for the community.

2460
02:54:24,480 --> 02:54:30,380
Well, just letting you know that we have more than just a glass of Jackson and ferry and

2461
02:54:30,380 --> 02:54:31,740
art and…

2462
02:54:32,860 --> 02:54:33,800
Art of town.

2463
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:35,840
Yeah, I just mentioned on the biggest.

2464
02:54:36,920 --> 02:54:37,640
We're going in.

2465
02:54:38,320 --> 02:54:38,680
Other way.

2466
02:54:39,940 --> 02:54:44,760
All right, we're moving on to item 5.4.

2467
02:54:45,420 --> 02:54:47,200
Outdoors and Sport providers.

2468
02:54:47,740 --> 02:54:48,280
Mr. Davis.

2469
02:54:48,820 --> 02:54:52,920
As we talked about this, we'll have the previous workshops and council.

2470
02:54:52,920 --> 02:54:55,680
So, I wanted to keep it in the budget.

2471
02:54:56,420 --> 02:55:02,460
I was under the assumption that I would not be able to find a third-party provider with

2472
02:55:02,460 --> 02:55:04,800
that would not charge exorbitant amounts.

2473
02:55:09,300 --> 02:55:14,440
PSO has stepped up and said they will do it for the exact same, no charge, it's the same

2474
02:55:14,440 --> 02:55:19,260
vendors we use, and I did take some liberties with this one thinking it would help.

2475
02:55:19,780 --> 02:55:25,700
I've already cut this out of the budget, but I am bringing you back for counsel to say no, keep it in, whatever.

2476
02:55:26,600 --> 02:55:31,900
But if that 160 isn't, I can't, I'm going to hurry to 60.

2477
02:55:32,360 --> 02:55:36,580
So the fact that we have a local sports provider that's offered me to do it for zero profit.

2478
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:43,780
I think that solves everybody's issue and it helps with our spending cap, right?

2479
02:55:43,780 --> 02:55:47,720
That's what we've done with the senior program, so that's going to be going fine.

2480
02:55:48,660 --> 02:55:53,020
And that is what we are going to do with the daycare, African child care.

2481
02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:57,540
So Dana doesn't punch me in the mouth, even if you're calling it daycare, child care.

2482
02:55:59,340 --> 02:56:00,980
So I just want to bring that forward.

2483
02:56:01,180 --> 02:56:04,160
And they are here to speak, because I thought I was super cool that somebody would step up.

2484
02:56:04,420 --> 02:56:10,300
I didn't tell them under the scenario since we would have to go live on October 1.

2485
02:56:11,500 --> 02:56:15,280
I'm okay with not putting out the bid for the first year, but next year we'll go out for a

2486
02:56:15,280 --> 02:56:22,920
competitive bid of zero profit. So, the claims that I'm hearing, oh dear God, you're doing something

2487
02:56:22,920 --> 02:56:29,420
that benefits being in windy rigs, they already have the contract. They're just expanding the

2488
02:56:29,420 --> 02:56:36,280
services they provide. So, nobody's benefiting in any capacity, but questions, thoughts, comments,

2489
02:56:36,280 --> 02:56:41,880
and I can see there here some questions for Mr. Davis from the board.

2490
02:56:45,810 --> 02:56:48,990
He and Sir Comrade Washington were going to be able to be here for the next year,

2491
02:56:49,090 --> 02:56:49,490
we'll be up time.

2492
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:58,370
Anyone actually, I mean, do we need to take any action on this?

2493
02:56:59,030 --> 02:57:04,330
Probably because he told me to take it out last time, or to leave it in, asking me to take it out.

2494
02:57:04,330 --> 02:57:12,190
Make sure the group take out a budget check. Motion by Councilman Geter, seconded by Councilman Schmidt to remove it from the vote.

2495
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:16,330
Thank you for stepping up and helping the city out.

2496
02:57:18,370 --> 02:57:21,130
I'm sure it will be just as professional as it has in the facts.

2497
02:57:21,530 --> 02:57:23,730
We'll move forward for the guests and we'll get next year.

2498
02:57:24,270 --> 02:57:29,970
So operations wise, nothing's going to change as well. Sean's going to oversee all those programs. They're just basically going to be a pass through for the bills.

2499
02:57:31,550 --> 02:57:32,290
Super nice, right?

2500
02:57:32,290 --> 02:57:34,250
Thank you.

2501
02:57:34,250 --> 02:57:35,230
Yeah, I appreciate it.

2502
02:57:35,390 --> 02:57:37,370
Yeah, Danny and Sean working together on this.

2503
02:57:37,550 --> 02:57:39,610
I mean, very seamless transition for the end user,

2504
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:43,430
which is the kid, which also buys some time for Sean

2505
02:57:43,430 --> 02:57:46,590
and Danny and Jason and company to collaborate

2506
02:57:46,590 --> 02:57:49,370
as we prepare each year in each budget process

2507
02:57:49,370 --> 02:57:52,570
and what the future of Brexport, as well as,

2508
02:57:52,590 --> 02:57:57,310
in this case, specifically, is this, like, baseball

2509
02:57:57,310 --> 02:57:59,890
or all outsourcing, all sports providers,

2510
02:57:59,890 --> 02:58:03,890
All those awards providers, and we're talking you, soccer, everything?

2511
02:58:04,570 --> 02:58:05,010
Yeah.

2512
02:58:05,410 --> 02:58:05,610
Okay.

2513
02:58:06,070 --> 02:58:10,810
Everything that we currently offer, they're going to buy the T-shirt, they're going to

2514
02:58:11,570 --> 02:58:12,470
buy the trophy.

2515
02:58:12,470 --> 02:58:15,350
They're going to buy the trophy, and whatever is right, the same coaches.

2516
02:58:17,970 --> 02:58:20,290
Only difference will be the fingerprint.

2517
02:58:21,490 --> 02:58:21,610
Right?

2518
02:58:21,790 --> 02:58:22,490
So that's just a pass.

2519
02:58:22,690 --> 02:58:24,030
But there's no mark up there.

2520
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:25,370
Again, thank you.

2521
02:58:25,510 --> 02:58:27,190
Dan and John for stepping up and doing this.

2522
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:29,070
I don't know where else he's pointing at.

2523
02:58:29,270 --> 02:58:30,510
Yeah, there's somebody else I can...

2524
02:58:30,510 --> 02:58:31,690
Oh, thank you.

2525
02:58:32,510 --> 02:58:34,030
I didn't see her behind there as well.

2526
02:58:34,510 --> 02:58:35,330
Mr. Riggs, thank you, too.

2527
02:58:36,330 --> 02:58:38,330
Anyone from a public who's just speaking on this much?

2528
02:58:40,990 --> 02:58:41,510
Mr. Lee Lewis.

2529
02:58:44,390 --> 02:58:46,490
James Lee Lewis, kind of a circle for one beach.

2530
02:58:47,530 --> 02:58:50,710
I know a guy that has an affiliation

2531
02:58:50,710 --> 02:58:53,690
with a little league tackle football team,

2532
02:58:54,530 --> 02:58:58,050
asking for a friend here, but is there any path

2533
02:58:58,770 --> 02:59:02,930
to where this team could be, you guys know who I'm talking about.

2534
02:59:03,070 --> 02:59:05,630
You know, you get two flavors, right?

2535
02:59:05,870 --> 02:59:08,850
So, if you came into the city, we need to run the numbers

2536
02:59:08,850 --> 02:59:11,290
because now that it's outsourced, it's not an issue.

2537
02:59:12,510 --> 02:59:16,230
So, you have to go through that program for them to pay the sports providers

2538
02:59:17,070 --> 02:59:20,450
or, last year, you were in the field whether it was Chester Crew

2539
02:59:20,450 --> 02:59:21,030
and I can't remember.

2540
02:59:21,330 --> 02:59:24,890
Oh, we had it on Fridays, but we were using the field that's not there

2541
02:59:24,890 --> 02:59:25,170
anymore.

2542
02:59:25,170 --> 02:59:28,630
or the Ed Browns, the Ed Brown Homes, or what do you call it?

2543
02:59:29,050 --> 02:59:29,170
Yeah.

2544
02:59:29,510 --> 02:59:32,810
Where did we, what did he use it over the last year or something?

2545
02:59:33,110 --> 02:59:33,290
No.

2546
02:59:33,910 --> 02:59:35,410
Yeah, this is our first year at Oakland.

2547
02:59:35,850 --> 02:59:36,870
I think he was Chester.

2548
02:59:37,210 --> 02:59:39,890
So he was Chester on Fridays and the Ed Brown

2549
02:59:39,890 --> 02:59:40,890
feels the rest of the week.

2550
02:59:40,990 --> 02:59:42,650
I think when he came back to me and said,

2551
02:59:42,690 --> 02:59:46,090
your business model was better for you to remain the way you were.

2552
02:59:47,150 --> 02:59:51,250
So if we want to sit down and figure out a way to work with this other program,

2553
02:59:51,470 --> 02:59:53,110
I mean, I'm down for anything.

2554
02:59:53,110 --> 02:59:59,630
But you see how it's like it's our current sports providers, so anything new was not introduced.

2555
03:00:01,140 --> 03:00:09,900
I have a company that I don't want to teach sailboats or competitive rolling or something, I don't know, I don't know anything about boats, but I promise you since I live in the water.

2556
03:00:32,540 --> 03:00:37,640
If they're feeling you all are using this near Herbert field, isn't it?

2557
03:00:38,740 --> 03:00:39,500
We're at Oakland.

2558
03:00:39,640 --> 03:00:40,160
We're by the...

2559
03:00:40,160 --> 03:00:41,160
I know you saw him plays.

2560
03:00:41,380 --> 03:00:44,960
I thought he played for you all, but he had mentioned that because he had mentioned

2561
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:50,120
about a field of practice, and they were using something near Herbert.

2562
03:00:51,500 --> 03:00:52,260
That would be us.

2563
03:00:52,520 --> 03:00:53,380
We're behind Home Depot.

2564
03:00:54,820 --> 03:00:56,940
I don't think he's confusing behind Home Depot.

2565
03:00:57,220 --> 03:00:57,380
I know.

2566
03:00:57,520 --> 03:00:57,600
Yeah.

2567
03:00:58,160 --> 03:00:59,920
I'm going to see you at the Battle of the Bridge, right?

2568
03:01:01,140 --> 03:01:01,760
But yes sir.

2569
03:01:01,860 --> 03:01:02,300
Okay.

2570
03:01:03,020 --> 03:01:04,780
September 26th.

2571
03:01:04,780 --> 03:01:07,800
Mayor Frank's is a great guy, 364 days a year.

2572
03:01:08,440 --> 03:01:09,320
But circle your calendar.

2573
03:01:09,580 --> 03:01:10,960
September 26th.

2574
03:01:10,960 --> 03:01:11,380
He's me.

2575
03:01:11,940 --> 03:01:12,700
All right.

2576
03:01:14,660 --> 03:01:15,720
Let me know that.

2577
03:01:16,020 --> 03:01:20,340
If there's a field somewhere near the curve field, wait.

2578
03:01:21,260 --> 03:01:24,180
I can't think of one of the teams in the process in that.

2579
03:01:24,660 --> 03:01:25,500
I look into it.

2580
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:26,700
I can't think of what it is.

2581
03:01:26,700 --> 03:01:31,920
You know, you know, Reverend William Lovejoy is that he was trying to convert the area behind

2582
03:01:31,920 --> 03:01:35,120
his church to a park, is that what you might be thinking of?

2583
03:01:35,380 --> 03:01:36,980
First behalf of the church, that's a lot of field.

2584
03:01:37,420 --> 03:01:41,880
He has a big field behind his church, Trade Goodwin was actually looking at it because it was

2585
03:01:41,880 --> 03:01:45,200
going to be a county project, but he was trying to make that into a park.

2586
03:01:46,060 --> 03:01:47,800
I'm wondering if that's what you're thinking of.

2587
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:48,320
I don't know.

2588
03:01:48,400 --> 03:01:54,560
That's closer to Herbert, but I was thinking about the practicing for the kids, football.

2589
03:01:55,240 --> 03:02:03,020
I don't know if you can find out what team you're going to want to play for the bucks.

2590
03:02:04,060 --> 03:02:06,840
I'll ask Randy because Randy knows my last word.

2591
03:02:14,660 --> 03:02:18,040
I pretend to know what Randy does now so I'll ask you three days.

2592
03:02:19,480 --> 03:02:20,720
Thank you Mr. Lee Woods.

2593
03:02:21,480 --> 03:02:24,440
If anyone else in public wishes to speak on this issue, do you have a sticker?

2594
03:02:25,860 --> 03:02:26,640
Nice sticker.

2595
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:31,980
So just for a little clarification, so the first year, there is someone that's willing

2596
03:02:31,980 --> 03:02:35,000
to do it for no profit, price stays the same for families.

2597
03:02:35,400 --> 03:02:37,560
After the first year, it goes out for bid.

2598
03:02:37,960 --> 03:02:45,440
If no one's willing to do it for no profit next year, then either prices go up for families

2599
03:02:45,880 --> 03:02:49,280
or we are out of the sports business altogether.

2600
03:02:54,160 --> 03:02:59,940
And I just want to clarify one thing, you said there's no markup on their costs, right?

2601
03:03:00,160 --> 03:03:04,260
So there is going to be a slight change because we're not paying for the print of the

2602
03:03:04,900 --> 03:03:05,300
coaches.

2603
03:03:07,800 --> 03:03:09,960
But hopefully they'll like to do it again and they'll bid.

2604
03:03:11,680 --> 03:03:14,900
Who knows, maybe you just did a giant apple that you might hate next year.

2605
03:03:23,380 --> 03:03:30,500
I tried to talk him into a 20-year contract, so the only reason why we even came up is because

2606
03:03:30,500 --> 03:03:36,780
the state now needs a class 2 background check, which is quite a bit more money than

2607
03:03:37,310 --> 03:03:38,080
the class 1.

2608
03:03:38,500 --> 03:03:44,020
That was the only reason why we should go up a little bit, and that's not only reason.

2609
03:03:44,020 --> 03:03:47,700
It would have been our cost anyway. It's a class to where they got

2610
03:03:51,280 --> 03:03:53,400
So that's just one thing that's why

2611
03:03:55,380 --> 03:03:56,740
Thank you sir

2612
03:03:58,100 --> 03:04:05,540
So you're just saying that the price is going to be relatively low but next year if they're like when we want to do this

2613
03:04:05,540 --> 03:04:06,600
We're not making enough money

2614
03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:08,560
next year

2615
03:04:14,020 --> 03:04:17,140
Yes, we want to cut it, and then we're done.

2616
03:04:17,160 --> 03:04:17,400
I'm done.

2617
03:04:17,740 --> 03:04:19,200
Next year, we don't have it.

2618
03:04:19,820 --> 03:04:21,180
It's clarifying right now.

2619
03:04:21,300 --> 03:04:22,600
Don't thank you for the library.

2620
03:04:23,060 --> 03:04:23,700
That's a problem.

2621
03:04:23,820 --> 03:04:25,040
I'm going to come and thank you next year.

2622
03:04:25,180 --> 03:04:27,280
That's a next year problem on the structure of this year.

2623
03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:30,820
This was my coupon for your 100% right.

2624
03:04:31,160 --> 03:04:33,020
I mean, it could be whatever next year.

2625
03:04:33,320 --> 03:04:36,120
And I would also like to add, as well, my thanks

2626
03:04:36,120 --> 03:04:39,440
to the Danny and Wendy and Tiffany

2627
03:04:40,760 --> 03:04:43,100
for bringing this forward and being willing to do this.

2628
03:04:43,100 --> 03:04:47,960
just because I just put out when you brought this up before as being very against anything

2629
03:04:47,960 --> 03:04:52,560
that was going to cause more money out of the pocket of the residents for their kids

2630
03:04:52,560 --> 03:04:56,900
at place for it's I think it's just so important, youth sports are so important and you know

2631
03:04:56,900 --> 03:05:03,000
city leagues are so affordable and it does have so many kids out there and we do our staff

2632
03:05:03,000 --> 03:05:08,020
does such a great job of running all of those programs and there's so many people involved

2633
03:05:08,020 --> 03:05:14,740
the map. So this is the best case scenario. Again, I don't live in a magic world where I think that

2634
03:05:14,740 --> 03:05:20,680
you guys are going to live forever and want to do that forever. So we and the City Council are

2635
03:05:20,680 --> 03:05:25,380
going to have to figure out some things to do that's going for. Hopefully you might be a part of that

2636
03:05:25,380 --> 03:05:30,600
if it all goes well. We'll see. But I appreciate you all stepping up and doing what you do.

2637
03:05:32,860 --> 03:05:34,920
Anyone else in the public wants to comment on this motion?

2638
03:05:36,910 --> 03:05:43,930
see none counsel you you wanted up yes we got to move motion in a second then

2639
03:05:43,930 --> 03:05:52,700
do it we're trying to find a way to say center miss branch up to tell us he's

2640
03:05:52,700 --> 03:05:56,960
councilman Walker abandoned people for wall beach and left the budget being

2641
03:05:58,760 --> 03:06:06,100
Oh, it's unanimous. All right. Six. Five. Oh, Mr. Browning also abandoned his constituents, I see.

2642
03:06:13,220 --> 03:06:23,140
All right. Seven and five PM that brings us to item 5.5, CPR training for citizens as presented by Mr. Jeater.

2643
03:06:23,140 --> 03:06:28,040
I didn't do disgusted and unbalanced. That's already in there, but if you have something more out of it.

2644
03:06:28,680 --> 03:06:34,180
Now, kind of like I said earlier, we'll put as much stuff in there as we can through everything through the next two meetings.

2645
03:06:34,360 --> 03:06:38,380
And they actually got to balance out, but I would put that up there with, we had to get away from here and cry.

2646
03:06:38,560 --> 03:06:41,260
I was like, well, I really don't get rid of it. It's your heartstrings.

2647
03:06:41,540 --> 03:06:44,920
Two weeks ago, we had some like, I'm in here crying, saying I'm maybe almost out of it.

2648
03:06:45,060 --> 03:06:47,860
I didn't have this training from the fire department, and then it's the accident.

2649
03:06:48,360 --> 03:06:48,540
True.

2650
03:06:48,660 --> 03:06:49,260
We gain importance.

2651
03:06:54,340 --> 03:07:06,280
So Mr. Davis, where, like, with this last motion, the Councilman, G2M, Councilman Schmidt seconded to remove that 160,000, that kind of put things like this back in the party.

2652
03:07:06,820 --> 03:07:09,760
I assume that this made logic.

2653
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,120
Okay, I would have to add that back in.

2654
03:07:13,060 --> 03:07:17,320
Now that means, again, I don't have to recognize, so I think we'll see where it plays,

2655
03:07:17,560 --> 03:07:25,620
but, and again, the watch group specifically said, get rid of it, but that's the political

2656
03:07:25,620 --> 03:07:29,900
action committee that you are going to ask us to agree to it, okay, got you.

2657
03:07:30,180 --> 03:07:39,740
Just want to make sure everybody knows the terms we were talking about, a lot of people

2658
03:07:39,740 --> 03:07:42,320
All right, so that brings us to item 5.6,

2659
03:07:42,520 --> 03:07:45,900
the parking lot at 164 Miracle Strip Parkway Southeast.

2660
03:07:46,680 --> 03:07:48,120
Mr. Jeter, one of this for discussion.

2661
03:07:48,860 --> 03:07:51,260
Yes, sir, as we restructure the golf course of race fees,

2662
03:07:51,260 --> 03:07:52,780
as we've talked about restructure

2663
03:07:52,780 --> 03:07:54,520
and put the solar panel roofs on the library

2664
03:07:54,520 --> 03:07:57,140
to save utilities, we may need to restructure parks

2665
03:07:57,140 --> 03:07:59,680
and rigs and excel parks, very far.

2666
03:08:00,460 --> 03:08:05,400
Now this is yet, but we do have 164 Miracle Strip Parkway.

2667
03:08:05,400 --> 03:08:11,720
brought it up because it is working down down that we have paid over the years in the past

2668
03:08:11,720 --> 03:08:20,480
to pay and it can be expensive and it's a maintenance budget. So just trying to bring in some

2669
03:08:20,480 --> 03:08:24,160
additional into our fund balance, I think. The best way to do the next three of these,

2670
03:08:24,160 --> 03:08:29,400
I know there should be over the years to be on some other ones, but I don't know what we need

2671
03:08:29,400 --> 03:08:33,280
to do in the next two meetings if we're going to be that far at the red, what would be your

2672
03:08:38,620 --> 03:08:47,360
I don't want to make a vote tonight with not a full council to circle us a property of just yet so how do you this for me is a revenue issue

2673
03:08:47,360 --> 03:08:55,440
It's not going to help me balance the budget or address the cap. I did want to have a whole workshop just the parking lot just makes sense

2674
03:08:55,440 --> 03:09:00,340
right? I don't need to maintain that. If you get asked me to get the broker's opinion

2675
03:09:00,340 --> 03:09:06,140
and reached out to Mr. Bethlehem who said between 420 and 450 for that parking lot, but

2676
03:09:06,140 --> 03:09:09,840
he couldn't have also said there's really no comps to compare it to. So I have to get some

2677
03:09:09,840 --> 03:09:15,020
praisels at the other side at Holmes Boulevard where the tennis courts are. That was just under

2678
03:09:15,020 --> 03:09:21,340
a million like 960, which is best guess. And Councilman Schmidt asked for Elder Services

2679
03:09:21,340 --> 03:09:25,660
and the quote I had from the county was five, you know, five sixty-two ish.

2680
03:09:26,180 --> 03:09:26,880
I think so.

2681
03:09:27,260 --> 03:09:27,920
And it doesn't matter.

2682
03:09:28,260 --> 03:09:30,840
Just in case I've been able to serve closely with the property,

2683
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:32,220
it's down on the bottom of the square.

2684
03:09:32,380 --> 03:09:32,820
Oh, got enough.

2685
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:32,960
Yeah.

2686
03:09:33,140 --> 03:09:35,680
So that's, we can go through the two readings, the whole thing.

2687
03:09:35,740 --> 03:09:35,800
Yeah.

2688
03:09:35,800 --> 03:09:36,380
It's by the whole thing.

2689
03:09:36,580 --> 03:09:36,720
Yeah.

2690
03:09:37,460 --> 03:09:39,920
I just brought up the long year because there had been a bad,

2691
03:09:40,000 --> 03:09:42,660
as we used that we could maybe lower our maintenance budget.

2692
03:09:43,300 --> 03:09:43,600
For sure.

2693
03:09:43,720 --> 03:09:47,860
We should increase our current balance and also put things on the patch

2694
03:09:47,860 --> 03:09:52,800
We increase our risk every single year and doing that much like the library

2695
03:09:52,800 --> 03:09:56,920
There's people I've had some people talk about the genocide over there

2696
03:09:56,920 --> 03:09:58,540
Whether it can be developed or hybrid

2697
03:09:58,540 --> 03:10:02,320
People in the community tell me a community garden is in that

2698
03:10:02,320 --> 03:10:04,660
So I don't want to rush any decisions tonight.

2699
03:10:04,820 --> 03:10:08,620
I think we do make that surplus property workshop in October

2700
03:10:08,620 --> 03:10:11,140
I remember maybe we have to have that one here.

2701
03:10:11,280 --> 03:10:12,280
No rushes.

2702
03:10:12,280 --> 03:10:13,980
I don't know if it's really going on.

2703
03:10:14,300 --> 03:10:16,060
Hell, this year's the first one.

2704
03:10:16,320 --> 03:10:18,700
But it would go a long way towards paying back

2705
03:10:18,700 --> 03:10:19,620
a cemetery, etc.

2706
03:10:20,340 --> 03:10:21,800
Yeah, and I want to all be grouped together

2707
03:10:21,800 --> 03:10:22,860
so that people can understand.

2708
03:10:23,760 --> 03:10:27,780
We get, it's all like, y'all got to think outside the box.

2709
03:10:27,960 --> 03:10:29,140
Here up there, balance the budget.

2710
03:10:29,340 --> 03:10:30,720
So it's like, we're thinking outside the box

2711
03:10:30,720 --> 03:10:31,920
in a million different ways.

2712
03:10:32,140 --> 03:10:33,140
We do part of the ways.

2713
03:10:33,500 --> 03:10:35,280
How does the community have to promise you

2714
03:10:35,280 --> 03:10:37,540
if we request an agenda.

2715
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:39,120
I don't think we can park it.

2716
03:10:39,220 --> 03:10:40,660
We sit there or the landing.

2717
03:10:40,660 --> 03:10:42,840
I mean, here will be five out of people here to speak.

2718
03:10:46,530 --> 03:10:48,810
So, after a budget season, can we put it on that?

2719
03:10:48,810 --> 03:10:50,650
I don't want to, I don't want to,

2720
03:10:52,820 --> 03:10:54,680
yeah, I think you think we've discussed it.

2721
03:10:54,780 --> 03:10:55,940
Any better after November's opening?

2722
03:10:56,300 --> 03:10:59,880
Yeah, after the election, that would, cause I wouldn't.

2723
03:11:00,060 --> 03:11:02,220
So, with November's out, the election goes, maybe in November,

2724
03:11:02,580 --> 03:11:06,200
I will bring up the possible sale or, or non-nation,

2725
03:11:06,420 --> 03:11:08,220
the circle's probably, will that give us time?

2726
03:11:08,460 --> 03:11:11,360
We bring up in November and we can do a workshop

2727
03:11:11,360 --> 03:11:14,600
or bring it to council, whatever properties we all have in it.

2728
03:11:14,600 --> 03:11:20,000
that I can disemper what we have to have to go through the surplus property process and

2729
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:20,760
make a decision.

2730
03:11:20,920 --> 03:11:25,000
And this bore, you put them all in the chopping block, get the vote before the last meeting

2731
03:11:25,000 --> 03:11:25,380
in March.

2732
03:11:25,740 --> 03:11:25,860
Yes.

2733
03:11:26,060 --> 03:11:27,600
I don't want to put them all in here to be gone.

2734
03:11:27,840 --> 03:11:27,980
Yes.

2735
03:11:28,360 --> 03:11:28,520
Okay.

2736
03:11:29,300 --> 03:11:32,560
So we'll wait for the river, just find my wife's just thinking the land swap we just did.

2737
03:11:32,680 --> 03:11:33,500
We had the surplus left.

2738
03:11:34,560 --> 03:11:35,340
And then, yeah.

2739
03:11:35,460 --> 03:11:35,640
I do.

2740
03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:39,720
So I don't want to be more uncertain of someone else vote on the demand far away, do this

2741
03:11:39,720 --> 03:11:42,660
And we don't have to sell it if we put it in surplus, right?

2742
03:11:42,860 --> 03:11:45,900
So that's also the process.

2743
03:11:46,500 --> 03:11:49,800
You'd actually have to find the price surplus a couple of months ago.

2744
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:53,720
I'm not trying to have the surplus in place, but there's a lot of times.

2745
03:11:54,600 --> 03:11:56,600
I want to ask some questions.

2746
03:11:56,880 --> 03:12:00,360
Well, I mean, it would be fair to say that while none of these properties could,

2747
03:12:00,840 --> 03:12:05,020
you know, account for a budget like that of recurrent costs,

2748
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:13,940
They would raise money that could potentially defer recurring costs, so they have solar panels on it.

2749
03:12:14,500 --> 03:12:15,120
You are correct, sir.

2750
03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:17,040
Councilman Schmidt.

2751
03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:22,700
I think we can, we've been 5.8 as well in this conversation, because it's very similar concept.

2752
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:27,420
Because we technically haven't closed on that property.

2753
03:12:27,560 --> 03:12:28,320
Correct, correct.

2754
03:12:28,320 --> 03:12:33,980
So we got the contract signed with the land swap with county from a work flow standpoint

2755
03:12:33,980 --> 03:12:36,140
It's still in the closing process

2756
03:12:37,880 --> 03:12:41,720
What's the next step to begin that long-due process of

2757
03:12:42,280 --> 03:12:42,720
surplusing

2758
03:12:44,320 --> 03:12:46,400
Any of these three properties, what would be next?

2759
03:12:47,400 --> 03:12:52,000
You have to direct the base. He surpluses and then move with that. How is it?

2760
03:12:53,400 --> 03:12:56,920
Inordinates do that and that way there's how I'm in front of me right now

2761
03:12:56,920 --> 03:13:04,140
there's a mark actually you have to direct us to do it then actually a 30-day period

2762
03:13:04,140 --> 03:13:12,420
where market day as the city's contracted broker will survey the market you know test

2763
03:13:12,420 --> 03:13:17,020
the market for properties and then it comes back and we can present over a few ordinances the

2764
03:13:17,020 --> 03:13:20,260
There's a whole thing with signage to it, there is.

2765
03:13:20,260 --> 03:13:20,700
You're welcome.

2766
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:23,260
I don't know, there's no signage.

2767
03:13:23,500 --> 03:13:24,660
No signage, you know.

2768
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:27,660
If there is, then I violated some law.

2769
03:13:27,880 --> 03:13:28,680
No, there was.

2770
03:13:28,920 --> 03:13:30,200
Yeah, there was.

2771
03:13:30,300 --> 03:13:31,900
Not the ordinance was.

2772
03:13:32,320 --> 03:13:35,060
Are you thinking that the notice of development sign, the news?

2773
03:13:35,640 --> 03:13:36,280
No, obviously.

2774
03:13:36,520 --> 03:13:37,800
There's process last time.

2775
03:13:37,820 --> 03:13:40,860
I asked where we answered signage before I think there is.

2776
03:13:42,300 --> 03:13:45,780
So with the Mr. Davis mentioned in his work, Mr. Barnes,

2777
03:13:45,780 --> 03:13:50,280
terms, the lengthy surplus due process, right? I mean, there's so many public meetings

2778
03:13:50,280 --> 03:13:54,980
we would have if we were to take the next step in surplus in these three properties,

2779
03:13:56,840 --> 03:14:02,960
at least two, three, four type of opportunities to discuss either the usage or what possibly

2780
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:08,500
could be done with these properties, but also sensitive to going through that long process

2781
03:14:09,280 --> 03:14:14,540
and maybe making a selection of proposals based off of different applicants that made one

2782
03:14:14,540 --> 03:14:19,900
different things with the property. I want to be a part of that process to possibly awarding

2783
03:14:21,040 --> 03:14:29,080
the applicant on the different proposals. So there's a window of time between now and

2784
03:14:29,080 --> 03:14:37,800
April 1. I know Mr. Judy mentioned 5.6 and 5.7 but the elderly services I'll just own, you know,

2785
03:14:37,800 --> 03:14:45,200
I went with City Manager and met with the Commission and County Administrator or Mr.

2786
03:14:45,320 --> 03:14:51,160
Coffee and tried to discuss, you know, what a land swap and those kind of things brought

2787
03:14:51,160 --> 03:14:53,420
it back in front of the board, and here we are now.

2788
03:14:53,980 --> 03:14:58,900
I think it's really important, and again, I can't speak for leaders from the 5.6 and 5.7,

2789
03:14:59,220 --> 03:14:59,980
but I really...

2790
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:12,680
So we want to be a part of the process on what happens at that Illinois services. Partial. So with that being said, I'm going to enter, I'm going to throw out a motion. Let's, let's start.

2791
03:15:12,680 --> 03:15:14,520
I'm going to ask your question, please, put your motion in.

2792
03:15:14,520 --> 03:15:15,280
Yeah, absolutely.

2793
03:15:15,720 --> 03:15:19,700
Do you have a property that you have it by swapping with the county?

2794
03:15:20,260 --> 03:15:22,040
So we actually have already swapped with the county.

2795
03:15:22,740 --> 03:15:24,180
Oh, I thought you were saying you swapped with the county.

2796
03:15:24,180 --> 03:15:25,120
You heard about it.

2797
03:15:25,340 --> 03:15:26,340
The Incas dried.

2798
03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:31,080
We swapped some property by the fairgrounds that the county wanted.

2799
03:15:31,340 --> 03:15:31,660
That's right.

2800
03:15:31,940 --> 03:15:32,060
Okay.

2801
03:15:32,520 --> 03:15:33,340
That's got to go.

2802
03:15:33,400 --> 03:15:37,260
So now that's up there on 5.8 former elderly services building.

2803
03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:39,240
We haven't closed on it.

2804
03:15:39,300 --> 03:15:40,780
That was a question I was asking Mr. Burns.

2805
03:15:40,780 --> 03:15:46,080
We haven't closed on the property, but we've signed the contract with the county to do the land swap.

2806
03:15:47,000 --> 03:15:50,240
Now from a growth management standpoint, there's no data restrictions,

2807
03:15:50,440 --> 03:15:54,620
reverted causes, or nothing. The county said we can do what we want with that piece of property.

2808
03:15:55,220 --> 03:15:59,620
To sell it, whether it's to go to redevelop and fund the city hall expense,

2809
03:16:00,420 --> 03:16:04,280
whether it's to have some growth management control of what's going inside of Midtown.

2810
03:16:05,180 --> 03:16:06,660
Do we want town homes?

2811
03:16:07,540 --> 03:16:10,380
Yes, no. You know, it's inside the CRA district.

2812
03:16:10,380 --> 03:16:13,920
There's a lot of things we can do with this former

2813
03:16:13,920 --> 03:16:16,920
elderly services building, so I'm going to start that process.

2814
03:16:17,260 --> 03:16:17,880
I just want to get into it too.

2815
03:16:18,800 --> 03:16:19,580
Do you want to make a motion?

2816
03:16:20,020 --> 03:16:20,940
I do, but there's some questions.

2817
03:16:21,240 --> 03:16:23,580
I'll entertain questions that Debbie had as well as it

2818
03:16:23,580 --> 03:16:24,800
looks like Bryce has some of them.

2819
03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:26,980
I was just going to close the gate on it.

2820
03:16:27,200 --> 03:16:27,740
It'll be up.

2821
03:16:27,980 --> 03:16:29,040
It's going through the process.

2822
03:16:29,340 --> 03:16:31,160
I can tell you right now, that every contact with their

2823
03:16:31,160 --> 03:16:34,660
current, they're working in the final title commitment.

2824
03:16:35,620 --> 03:16:37,560
Initially, it's you saying we might have been able to do it

2825
03:16:37,560 --> 03:16:42,660
and the month would change it this month, and this month it is all we've done everything

2826
03:16:42,660 --> 03:16:46,640
on our end, we have to do, they would play them in the final.

2827
03:16:46,820 --> 03:16:50,540
So would we be better just to put it, since it has nothing to do with the village or the

2828
03:16:50,540 --> 03:16:57,340
budget also on here, but would it be better to put it, say can we put it on the council meeting,

2829
03:16:58,940 --> 03:17:02,980
immediately after closing, once we know it's our whether we close next week and it's

2830
03:17:02,980 --> 03:17:03,960
on the first meeting in September.

2831
03:17:04,300 --> 03:17:05,080
We've closed in September.

2832
03:17:05,420 --> 03:17:06,740
It's not the makeup option to do that.

2833
03:17:06,940 --> 03:17:08,520
What, I'm happy to say that when we attack you

2834
03:17:08,520 --> 03:17:09,680
or when we just, we go every morning.

2835
03:17:10,100 --> 03:17:10,660
They didn't do it.

2836
03:17:10,840 --> 03:17:12,200
So, Jason, what are you doing?

2837
03:17:12,280 --> 03:17:13,040
I'm saying that when you turn,

2838
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:16,300
I personally don't care what the public care is.

2839
03:17:16,400 --> 03:17:17,960
We're still not getting it.

2840
03:17:18,000 --> 03:17:18,840
Yeah, we have to do it.

2841
03:17:18,860 --> 03:17:19,760
We've got to just stop it, yeah.

2842
03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:22,440
And if we spend that on the LVC already meeting,

2843
03:17:22,440 --> 03:17:23,580
so before we get that one,

2844
03:17:23,760 --> 03:17:24,900
I'm going to prove it so it'd be better to say

2845
03:17:24,900 --> 03:17:25,920
maybe I don't need to do this

2846
03:17:25,920 --> 03:17:27,440
if we have a full council and then say,

2847
03:17:28,280 --> 03:17:28,840
we've been doing it.

2848
03:17:28,840 --> 03:17:30,840
It's our property here, so we choose to do it at best.

2849
03:17:30,840 --> 03:17:37,360
So you want to be close to the next house meeting that would be discontent of the elderly service

2850
03:17:45,400 --> 03:17:50,440
We can but a lot of things can be moved around in the agenda a lot of other parties come up

2851
03:18:04,240 --> 03:18:11,000
No, I'm still working on that but I should know the path next week but definitely before

2852
03:18:11,000 --> 03:18:11,780
next meeting.

2853
03:18:12,220 --> 03:18:15,720
And these are great questions because you know kind of put that more into it as we go

2854
03:18:15,720 --> 03:18:20,320
through this surplus process and like Mr. Jr. mentioned you know after we close on it bring

2855
03:18:20,320 --> 03:18:23,600
it up on the agenda and I got confidence it sounds like staff is going to put it on

2856
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:30,400
the agenda right after it closes but like I'd like to see some proposals possibly from

2857
03:18:30,400 --> 03:18:35,580
an applicant where we may not have to put the cost into demo. We don't know until we

2858
03:18:35,580 --> 03:18:40,440
find out what's inside the proposals. But that kind of stuff where if we get a

2859
03:18:40,440 --> 03:18:46,300
quota or if we get cost back or the cost of the bay or the cost of to clean it up is a lot

2860
03:18:46,300 --> 03:18:52,040
much a lot more than what we budget or expected. Let's see what possibly a new buyer could

2861
03:18:52,040 --> 03:18:56,660
do to avoid us from having to pay the cost of the demo. It is a great question.

2862
03:18:56,660 --> 03:19:02,380
Well, we need to do that. I've got to do it to pay cheaper and to take a do than all that as

2863
03:19:02,380 --> 03:19:06,940
best of stuff. If you're down, then you need to know it actually probably to press the price quite a bit,

2864
03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:11,540
marketing it and going in there, then knowing that there's actually the best of stairs,

2865
03:19:11,760 --> 03:19:15,880
I think no one has a level. Well, yeah, I would imagine they would want it. For sure.

2866
03:19:15,940 --> 03:19:21,100
I could not sell a government owned property that had, maybe that was a local ordinance or whatever,

2867
03:19:21,260 --> 03:19:25,220
I had to do the abatement before I could sell it. So I don't know if that's a state thing or

2868
03:19:25,220 --> 03:19:27,940
I don't think that's not stated, they know that it's a liability.

2869
03:19:28,460 --> 03:19:29,900
And we may need to do that.

2870
03:19:30,040 --> 03:19:31,560
So these are the kind of good questions

2871
03:19:31,560 --> 03:19:33,120
that hopefully we can chew on these.

2872
03:19:33,540 --> 03:19:36,360
But I want to go through this long surplus due process

2873
03:19:36,360 --> 03:19:39,400
so that ultimately we can hear feedback from the community,

2874
03:19:39,540 --> 03:19:41,040
we can hear feedback from applicants

2875
03:19:41,040 --> 03:19:42,620
that may want to do something with the land

2876
03:19:42,620 --> 03:19:44,580
and ultimately make a decision before it.

2877
03:19:45,580 --> 03:19:49,820
And from one thing, too, it's maybe, I wonder if we could

2878
03:19:49,820 --> 03:19:54,040
have maybe staff be able to do a little research on that building

2879
03:19:54,040 --> 03:19:56,800
because of the injustice and we don't know what's really

2880
03:19:56,800 --> 03:19:57,480
aimed at it.

2881
03:19:57,600 --> 03:20:00,620
You know, once you start having things around there,

2882
03:20:00,620 --> 03:20:01,360
that's what I mean.

2883
03:20:01,620 --> 03:20:05,860
Where I'm going with that is, I'm wondering if it could be possibly

2884
03:20:05,860 --> 03:20:09,780
a designated Brownsfield area where you can have money

2885
03:20:10,600 --> 03:20:13,040
available to help clean it up because the city is not

2886
03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:14,860
would not be involved in the county owned.

2887
03:20:15,340 --> 03:20:18,980
So, you can probably get some Brownsfield revenue

2888
03:20:20,480 --> 03:20:21,260
of the county.

2889
03:20:24,420 --> 03:20:29,060
So I'll look at it, but some of the feedback that I've got is when you do that, it might

2890
03:20:29,060 --> 03:20:34,220
impact the property values of the surrounding areas, so they can, their property values

2891
03:20:34,220 --> 03:20:36,580
could lower, but I'll look at it.

2892
03:20:36,660 --> 03:20:41,440
And then here we can increase it too, and they can also help with your business as you get involved.

2893
03:20:42,220 --> 03:20:43,920
But ultimately, we get a lot of investment.

2894
03:20:44,240 --> 03:20:45,060
Yeah, I agree.

2895
03:20:45,280 --> 03:20:45,920
We got to do something.

2896
03:20:46,300 --> 03:20:48,560
I think it's now large and it's got its best.

2897
03:20:48,560 --> 03:20:54,060
So, yeah, and there's some in the community as well that express interest in, you know,

2898
03:20:54,420 --> 03:21:00,000
looking at building a city hall on that property, as it's very centrally located right

2899
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:05,600
in the middle of our city, you know, if the city were to own this lock here, the city

2900
03:21:05,600 --> 03:21:11,140
all current sits on that lock would obviously be a lock more valuable to somebody in the

2901
03:21:11,140 --> 03:21:16,760
open market place, so, you know, the cost of building an actual city hall building on a

2902
03:21:16,760 --> 03:21:22,840
lesser expensive law could be offset by a property that's a property that's

2903
03:21:22,840 --> 03:21:31,440
right here so some people in the community suggest something that's gonna be

2904
03:21:31,440 --> 03:21:35,640
discussed. I'm looking forward to more discussions on that. Absolutely. Any additional

2905
03:21:35,640 --> 03:21:41,100
discussions from the council on 9 and 5.6, 5.7 or 5.9.

2906
03:21:42,700 --> 03:21:43,760
See you tomorrow.

2907
03:21:44,260 --> 03:21:44,900
A journey.