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Like to call this council committee meeting to order. Before

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we proceed, I want to acknowledge that the land upon

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which we are gathered is the traditional territory of the

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Adirondronc, the Hodinoshoni. And the Anishnabi people, we are the

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beneficiaries of ancient agreements, such as the dish with one

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spoon between the Anishnabi and the hodinos. Hodinoshoney, who agreed

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to share the abundance of the land through peace, friendship

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and mutual respect the true role wompum, by which the

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Hodin Ashony welcomed the settlers and agreed to share the

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land in mutual respect, and the Treaty of Niagara, considered

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a fundamental document by first nations in all future relations

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and treaties with the British. We recognize that we. Have

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a responsibility to be stewards of the land in cooperation

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and collaboration with the indigenous people. Not only for one

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generation, but for all generations to come. We understand that

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we have an obligation to learn the lessons of our

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history, educate ourselves about the experiences of the indigenous people,

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and seek opportunities to heal the wounds that will result

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in. Reconciliation with our indigenous sisters and brothers. Many First

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nations, matey and inuit people live and work in Fort

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Erie. We stand with all indigenous people, past and present,

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in promoting the wise stewardship of the lands on which

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we live. We have the good fortune to live in

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a land of such abundance, diversity and beauty. Let us

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be vigilant in protecting. Turtle island. Mr. Clerk, the role

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call, please. Your worship. All members of councilor are present.

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Okay, so you haven't forgotten that part? Of the job.

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We have an addendum this evening. There is the addition,

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under notice of upcoming public meetings on open houses, of

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a notice of a public open house for park design

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at 34 40 Thunder Bay Road. That open house will

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take place on Monday, August the 18th, 2025, which is

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next Monday from five to 07:00 p.m. at the Ford

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Public Library Crystal Ridge Branch on Ridge Road and Ridgeway.

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We also have some additional information attached to report. PBBS

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58 2025 which is our official plan. Recommendation report. A

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couple of announcements. The first announcement relates to. The Friday

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closures of the 40 urgent care center. There's been some

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misunderstanding that. The urgent care center would be closed on

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Friday, September the fifth, and Friday, September the 12th. In

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fact, those shifts have been covered, so the urgent care

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center will be open. We've requested that Niagara health update

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their website to make sure that people understand. That it's

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not going to be closed on those dates. It's going

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to be open. And we've also asked the local newspaper

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to correct their information, that information online once we have

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full confirmation. I've had confirmation, but they need official confirmation.

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The second thing that I wanted to mention is that

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with this hot, dry weather, The fortiry fire department has

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determined that there will be a burn ban put in

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place. Tomorrow. That is August the 12th, 2025. That is

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in line with most other municipalities in Niagara. So the

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ban will include all open air solid fuel burning recreational

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fires camp that includes campfires, outdoor fireplaces, chimneys and fire

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pits and this also includes campgrounds, all open flame cooking

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fires that are not. Confined within a commercially produced cooking

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appliance like a barbecue or a smoker are also banned.

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The use of skylanders and fireworks is prohibited, and all

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active burn permits which have been issued are temporarily suspended,

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and the fire department will be monitoring the situation and

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will advise when the burn band has lifted. My guess

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would be as soon as we get some rain and

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who knows? When that will be coming, that'll be. A

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consideration. Declarations of peculinary interest. There being none. As I

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mentioned, there's the open house with respect to the Thunder

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bay. Park naming. There's also a community information meeting tomorrow

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evening with respect to land use planning. At 171 Gorehum

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Road. And that takes place. Here. In the town of

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Fortiere atrium. And starts at 530 and goes until 730.

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There are no public meetings this evening. There is no

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consent agenda. We're going to go. Straight to planning, building

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and bylaw services. And that's you, Councilor Christensen. Thank you.

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Your worship. The planning building and bylaws. Plan. Services subcommittee

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is now in session. We have. Two presentations this evening.

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The first. Is by Zachary George with respect to an

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update on the tree planting initiative. Mr. George. Can you

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please. Good evening, mayor. Eddie, cop and council.

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Tonight I'll be providing an update on the town's. Tree

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planting initiative. How we've used funds from consent payments, tree

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clearing penalties and tree permitting revenue to expand our urban

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canopy and build climate resilience within the town of Ford

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Erie. This work directly supports our strategic plan priority on

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environmental and climate change resiliency. Is that better?

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This initiative began when council requested in December 2024 an

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update on how consent tree funds and tree permit revenue

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were being used. From January to March 2025, staff developed

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a comprehensive planting plan to address both current needs and

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the long standing backlog. From May to currently, we've been

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implementing that plan, delivering planting projects across the town. These

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efforts will continue through to October and into future years.

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From 2008 to 2024, over 200 consent applications contributed funds

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for public tree planting. The primary objective of these funds

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is to enhance the town's urban canopy through the planting

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of boulevard trees. Or in public owned lands when conditions

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are not ideal. To plant on the boulevard. Due to

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limited staffing in earlier years, these trees were never planted,

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creating a backlog that predated most of our current team.

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In March 2024, our new tree bylaw came into effect,

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creating modest but important new revenue. Streams through tree permits,

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cash and lieu and penalties. These funds, along with the

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previously mentioned consent funds, now form the backbone of our

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planting initiative. The condition on the screen

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now is an example of how we have worded our

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committee of adjustment conditions related to tree contributions. The intent

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of this condition is to provide a boulevard tree where

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it is practical. In situations where planting a boulevard tree

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is impractical, the intent has always been to use the

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funds on public property so that the town can increase

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its urban canopy. This initiative has three main funding

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streams. The first being consent funds payments tied to severance

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approvals, with funding applied to a new boulevard tree if

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feasible, and used elsewhere if not. Tree clearing penalties funds

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that are collected when trees are removed without a permit

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or prior approval. And finally, tree permitting revenue fees from

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permits for tree removal under the bylaw as well as

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cash and loop payments. In response to council direction, community

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planning staff sent letters to eligible property owners on the

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consent backlog list. In situations where a property owner has

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elected to receive a private tree staff from both legal

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and corporate services highlighted significant liability concerns regarding town staff

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or contractors planting on private property. As a solution to

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this concern, property owners were given the opportunity to receive

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a tree by the town to be planted using their

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own methods. If the owners declined or simply didn't respond,

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the funds are redirected to the public plantings. This process

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has allowed us to clear all backlog files up to

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spring 2022. As consent files have two years to satisfy

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their conditions. A yearly review will continue to be conducted.

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To determine which files have closed and are eligible to

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be included in this initiative. Funds that are not identified

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as usable for boulevard trees and that have been declined

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for use on private properties will continue to be used

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for public plantings that not only beautify our communities but

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also provide valuable climate related benefits. Less than half of

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our planting funds for this tree planting initiative actually come

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from the consent conditions. Most now come from penalties and

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other sources. The rate for a boulevard or public tree

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contribution has also recently risen to $1,000. To reflect the

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realities of tree planting costs. The current cost to plant

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a public tree, including planting maintenance, watering, and a two

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year warranty is between 800 and $900, depending on species.

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Public tree contributions were $500 from the beginning of the

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2008 backlog until 2023. Funds from penalties compensate the difference

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between the old fee amount and the new cost. To

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plant a tree. These are some examples of current projects

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that the Tree planting initiative has undertaken to improve the

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tree canopy within our town. In May 2025, we launched

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a pilot program to teach school age children about tree

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planting. They participated with a hands on approach. Some of

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the topics that they learned were how to plant water

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and maintain a tree. They were also taught about the

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value and benefits that trees provide their communities. This will

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continue into fall 2025. There's a couple more pictures of

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the school plantings. In August 2024, a significant weather event

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swept through Stevensville, resulting in the loss of seven mature

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trees along Coral Avenue. This area was quickly identified as

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an ideal location to invest tree planting funds, ensuring the

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project would deliver visible and immediate benefits to the community.

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Less than a year later, coral avenues tree canopy has

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been restored, bringing renewed shade, beauty and environmental value to

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the neighborhood. In June 2025, cedar trees were planted along

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the borders of the Black Creek waterfront windows, creating a

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natural privacy screen for residents. This enhancement not only improves

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privacy, but also transforms these spaces into a more inviting,

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functional. And enjoyable area for the community. Just two weeks

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ago, in July 2025. Seven new red maple trees were

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planted at AC Douglas park for shade and canopy coverage

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in our brand new facility that's being built there. You'll

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notice that most of these public planting projects so far

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have been concentrated in Stevensville. And Douglas Town. This was

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due to the location of many community needs identified this

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season in future years, our focus will expand to other

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areas across the town to ensure canopy growth is distributed.

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More easily. This initiative is a strong example of how

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we can turn unused funds and permit revenue into tangible

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community benefits. Expanding our urban canopy delivers a wide range

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of benefits, including reducing urban heat, island effects, improving air

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quality, increasing storm water capture and sequestering carbon. These initiatives

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directly advance our climate change action plan while creating greener,

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healthier neighborhoods for our residents looking ahead. We will continue

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delivering projects this fall and into 2026 to both clear

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the backlog and address new consent files each year. We

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will expand planting to underserved areas of the town and

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continue strengthening partnerships with schools. And community groups to build

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engagement and increase environmental education. Thank you so much for

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your attention, and I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank

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you, Councilor Christensen. Thank you, Mr. George, for your presentation.

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And thank you for taking care. Of ward six very

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much appreciate it. The dollars that we're looking at. And

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you may not have this answer because. You're referring to

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consent applications. What about the money that was collected prior

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to 2008? I don't have the information for money. That

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was cleared prior to 2008, but the list. I was

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given was that the backlog started in 2008. I don't

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have much information. Prior to that. I'll bring that up

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under the report. Excellent. In regards to. The. Picture of

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the cedar trees. On the wad windows. Those trees aren't

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$1,000 apiece, right? Those trees do not equal $1,000, I

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believe. Those specific trees are approximately $600 plus tax, installed

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with a two year warranty. Install? Yes. Those specific ones.

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The cedar trees are the lowest value tree that we

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have. Yeah, I'm just warning tonight that I'm hoping we're

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not paying $1,000 for. Cedar trees that I can pay.

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Again, thank you for your presentation. I will be asking

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more questions when the report is on, but. Thank you.

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No problem. We have one more question. I saw the

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list of the people you contacted. I don't know. You

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sent the letters out. I was one of the recipients

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of the letter. It looked like 90% of the people

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didn't respond. I'm just using that term loosely. What did

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we do to encourage response besides sending out a letter?

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There was no follow up to the initial letter that

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was sent, but I will point out. There were not

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very many bounce backs. So people did receive these letters.

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But again, there was nothing other than the letter being

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sent. Correct. Crickets. There was crickets correct on both sides.

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Okay, thank you. Are there any other questions? Thank you

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very much, Mr. George. Appreciate that. The next presentation. Is

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by Jessica Abrams, our senior environmental planner. About rather exciting

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initiative for those of us who. Have environmental backgrounds. The

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climate change action plan. And for all of us who

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want a healthy earth. Good evening, your worship and members

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of council. I'm happy to be bringing forward. An initiative.

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For a proposed climate change action plan. Porteri takes pride

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in being stewards of the natural environment and the climate

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change action plan. Has been identified as a priority through

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the current strategic plan. This plan has been a collaborative

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effort with different subject matter experts from various departments across

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the town. And through public engagement. This is a living

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document and it's meant to be updated continuously. So why

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create a climate change action plan? Well, Fordier is a

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town that's situated on Lake Erie and the Niagara river,

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and the town has put together a forward thinking plan

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that will incorporate methods to minimize human activity contributing to

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climate change. There have been recent examples of flooding and

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fires that are attributing to the changing climate and climate

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change is essentially the long term shifts in temperatures and

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weather patterns that can occur. Naturally or be influenced by

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human activity. So. As a starting point. In developing the

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action plan, town staff explored some of the action that

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the town. Is already taking that contribute to climate friendly

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activities. So some of these actions that the town is

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already doing are the tree bylaw. The tree giveaway every

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year. The natural Asset Management plan has done some great

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work, as well as the energy conservation and demand plan.

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The following slide will provide some examples. So this slide

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here kind of talks about the way that the action

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plan is broken up into. Three different time frames. So

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there are short term actions. There are medium term actions

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that are between three to five years and long term

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actions that are a longer time frame. So five years

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plus. So the following slides will provide some examples of

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short term actions that town staff have proactively undertaken. So,

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adaptation plan. Goal number one is the tree planting plan.

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So town staff are planting trees with students at local

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schools. And again, sorry. This is. My apologies. I got

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them confused. The first one is actually public engagement, not.

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The tree planting plan. This one is indicative of the

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tree planting plan. So this has been developed in, as

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you saw in Mr. Georgia's presentation, trees are being planted.

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Another short term action is mitigation goal number three. So

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the town was awarded a grant. Of $116,000 to support

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the installation of level two EV chargers and a pilot

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project was granted to get an EV vehicle, so that

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is one of the actions. Another short term goal is

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adaptation. Goal number four, which was town staff, recently brought

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forward an amendment to allow naturalized gardens within the town.

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And another goal, a short term goal, is a mitigation

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goal number two, which is looking at. Encouraging climate friendly

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gardening. So, actually, as part of the landscaping for town

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hall, there's a pollinator garden being put in. Some of

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the medium term goals. One of the medium term goals

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that's being proposed is looking at developing an early warning

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system and emergency preparedness plan. So that's a longer term

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goal. And again, a longer term goal from that would

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be looking at infrastructure resilience, and I would say. Another

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medium term goal, too, is incorporating some new policies into

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the Op that encourage climate friendly actions as well.

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So a bit of a good news story. One of

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the actions was about public engagement, and as part of

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this action, town staff approached canadian tire for a donation.

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In return, canadian tire generously offered four bikes to be

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used as used for purposes to raffle. Off during. Education

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sessions with elementary school children next year. So we have

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plans to do some engagement sessions. With the schools. And

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now we have some great prizes to keep the students

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interested. So thank you for your attention and considering the

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climate change action plan for adoption. And I'll open the

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floor up for questions. Thank you very much. Are there

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questions as Ms. Abrams. Okay, thank you very much. We'll

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wait for the report. Then. We now move so that

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ends our presentations. We now move. To reports. The first

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is pbbs. 57 2025. The proposed zoning bylaw amendment. File

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zba eight 2025. The recommendation report for 3957. Rev.

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Stock road. Councilor Lewis seconds. And so that report is

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now on the floor. For questions and comments.

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Councilor Lewis. Thank you. I'll jump in first. And I'm

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using the web. Version, not escribe. So bear with me

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if I'm looking for something. I just want to start

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by saying I'm pleased to see that we're moving. In

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the right direction with this in terms of the density

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and the number of units, although it's still not following

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the crystal beach secondary plan. I'm glad to see that

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the developers been able to make some amendments. I do

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have some concerns. Certainly with drainage. Still, I'm no in

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the report. It mentions. That it appears that the revised

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conceptual site servicing plan proposes a slip drainage of poach

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to the north portion of the lot, which would be

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designed to convey. Storm water flows to catch basins located

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in the front yard and that this is an acceptable

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strategy. But it goes on to mention from the engineering

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department that the rear yards appear to remain in their

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existing condition with no changes to the current drainage patterns

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proposed. Goes on to say that this is acceptable, but.

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It's that second part and the backyard portions of this

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property that I've still got some concern from on. I'm

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glad that they've done what they've needed to do to

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try and get as much moving to the north as

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possible, but. I don't know. How you're still going to

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fight gravity going downhill. And I'm still concerned with the

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need for pumps and how that access to those properties

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will be. Made. That was one comment that I wanted

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to make. And then the other, a couple of questions.

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Some were similar to a few that I had in

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terms of the tree removal, but I just wanted some

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clarification in the area where there's a lot line, tree

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and part of the tree is on one property and

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part of the trees on the other. Is it my

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understanding that consent would have to be made? By the

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neighboring property for that tree to be removed. And if

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I could just get clarity from staff, that would be

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great. Miss Bell warrior. Madam Chair, I would answer the

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question about the tree. Yes. The owner would require the

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consent of the neighboring property owner to remove those boundary

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trees. Okay. And if. I may continue, madam chair, if

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they do not have consent from the neighboring property owners.

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With respect. To those trees, then they would have to

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modify their proposal and come back with something slightly modified.

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Madam chair. Yes, that's correct. Okay. And that will lead

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to something a little bit later. In terms of. The

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urban design. I know there were. Some modifications made. And

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when I look at the two pictures, There is slight

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difference to the gables in one over the porch, but

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really. The only changes going from brick. To some type

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of vinyl siding is what I understand. Madden shit. That's

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correct. I'm just going to keep going through some of

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my questions. I'm going to yield in case there's anyone

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else who has any others. While I formulate my thoughts

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without. Counselor Duverno has. Yeah. Thank you very much, madam

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Chair. And through you. I don't know if this is.

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Something Ms. De la or Mr. Frost would be able

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to answer, but councilor Lewis raised a good point about

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the drainage, and my concern has always been about the

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need for a mechanical systems. And potential maintenance that the

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municipality would be forced to take over if. The property

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owners don't do it. So I'm just wondering if we

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can get some clarification. So if we approve this report

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this evening, for it to move forward, Would we be

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bound? To allowing a mechanical system or. Would this exclude

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that? And we'd have to do gravity flow similar to

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every other development. Because I'm concerned if we approved something,

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if it could lead to legacy costs down the road.

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That aren't applicable to other developments. So, again, I don't

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know if this is Mr. Frost or Ms. Do Oreo.

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But Madam chair district, Frost is waving his hand through

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you. Madam chair. We worked with the developer to look

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at different ways to drain the lot when they first

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came into where we are now, and we had proposed

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this idea of taking. All the eaves troughs to the

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downspouts and bringing the entire roof catchment to the front

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yard to get any of the catchment of the buildings

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themselves draining away from the southern parts of the property.

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When we look at the southern part of the property,

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it will still continue. To drain as nature intended. With

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the topography, however, the drainage that it would now be.

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Bringing south down to those properties at the rear would

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be substantially less than it is today, given that any

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of the structures are now draining towards the roadway. Currently

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under conditions today, there is one. Structure. I don't know

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exactly where it's training, but I would speculate that. Some

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is from that roof leading to the rear yard and

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that building itself. If. We swap that out with a

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new is all moving to the front as well as

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any green. Area that it doesn't currently occupy that would

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be future occupied. So in terms of drainage, I think

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we had found a solution, or the developer had proposed

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a solution. I should say that. Tries to take as

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much of the development related from the buildings itself. Drainage

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to the front in the rear yard. I don't think

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that we would be. Considering having any sort of pumping

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system or mechanical system put in the rear yard, I

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don't. Think that would be fair. To have them deal

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with additional drainage from pre to post is usually a

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net zero. In this case, pre to post would be

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better than under existing conditions. Today. Councillor Duverno. No. And

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thank you very much. And again through you, madam Chair.

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I appreciate. That answer because it gives me a little

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bit of comfort, because I've been concerned about the need

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for mechanical drainage on the back of the property. So,

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just for clarification, I'm very dead set against the idea

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of any kind of mechanical drains, because even if we

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have. Them part of, like an agreement, like a landowner

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agreement. If maintenance falls to the wayside people. Decide not

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to pay into it. One way or another, municipal taxpayers

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are going to be on the hook for it, and

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that's not something that we want to have happen. So

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I'm just wondering. If. Either from assurance from staff or

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whether we need to amend the recommendation this evening. But

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just for clarification. There will not be any mechanical drains

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in. When I say mechanical drains, I mean like sump.

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Pumps or like sump pits and feeding up back to

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the road. Everything is going to be gravity and natural

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at the back of the property, if I understand this

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correctly. Through you, madam Chair, for my understanding any of

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the drainage from the roof leaders or the lot. Itself

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will be gravity. There may still be the need for

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sump pumps within the dwelling units. Themselves as any basement

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may have, but that's separate from the outside exterior drainage.

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Yes, there will not be any under this proposed plan.

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Any pumps external to. The buildings. And one final follow

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up, if I may, madam chair. So if it did

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turn out that for. Whatever reason, due to topography or

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construction, that. It was determined that there was too much

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water at the back of the property, and it did.

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Require some kind of mechanical pumping. Would that be something

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that would come back to council if such a request

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or would staff just say no? Through you, madam chair.

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It's staff's perspective from the engineering position that we don't.

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Want any external pumps for residential units or lots in

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this case, so we would not be supportive of that

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type of solution. Councilor noise thank you, Councilor Christensen. My

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understanding is that the eavesdrops and. It's going to be

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one in the front and one in the back is

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going to be a single east trough on each side

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from start to finish. Covering all the townhouses. Right. And

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those east trouts will then drain to the front. Am

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I correct on that? Madam Chair. Yes. As we discussed

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with the developer and their consultant that regardless the configuration

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of the eavesdrops and where the downsmouths be that the

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water captured from the roof. Of the structures would be

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conveyed to the front of the property via trough downspout

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leads. Whatever it may be, ultimately not on the ground,

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but brought. Through some sort of device to get to

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the front. Okay. Now I am confused. Because in the

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meeting with one eavesdrop in the front, one eavesdrop in

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the back and. They would be draining. On the far

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sides. Okay? But having heard that, If it is a

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single east trough or whatever, how do the middle units

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are the ones I'm concerned about. Because they obviously won't

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have, like, they won't have any drainage. The other child.

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Will go extend beyond them. Am I correct on that?

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There's not going to be any drainage. Into the front

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of their properties. Per my understanding, the back of the

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roof. Or the south part of the roof would have

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an east trough running east west, whether it be on

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one corner higher sloping down to one direction, or if

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it's per se, crowned in the middle, but any eavesdrop

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along the southern face at the back of this dwelling

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units. Would travel the water to the sides of the

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townhouse unit and then up the sides of the unit.

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So the middle. Ones don't have side walls, but they

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would have a rear eaves trough that catches. That to

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convey to the sides of the overall structure. Yeah, that's

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my understanding. And we talked about what happens if. Something

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happens to that eavesdrop in the middle. Because. They're freehold.

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I understand. So what if the person, the people in

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the middle. Who really don't have the east trap going

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through their property. There's a problem with it or they

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don't maintain it or something like that. Is there going

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to be anything? In the agreement, the purchase agreement, to

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say they have to maintain. The e stroke. The worry

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of you. Met ever one of you has. Madam chair,

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that is usually a case whenever it's a block of

474
00:37:09,812 --> 00:37:12,932
townhouses or street townhouses. That's usually a case. It's my

475
00:37:12,932 --> 00:37:16,292
understanding that could be covered in the sales or purchase

476
00:37:16,292 --> 00:37:19,572
agreement. That would be something that would be sorted out

477
00:37:19,572 --> 00:37:24,739
between the owners of the property. That would be my

478
00:37:24,739 --> 00:37:28,858
take on it. If I can continue. And I agree

479
00:37:28,858 --> 00:37:31,338
with you, but is there any way we can ensure

480
00:37:31,338 --> 00:37:33,578
that. That actually happens, that it's actually in the purchase

481
00:37:33,578 --> 00:37:37,841
agreement. Item chair, there would be another application that the

482
00:37:37,841 --> 00:37:40,041
applicant would have to go through to create these lots.

483
00:37:40,041 --> 00:37:42,921
That would be as a plan of subdivision. So maybe

484
00:37:42,921 --> 00:37:45,441
at that time we can have some. Easements or we

485
00:37:45,441 --> 00:37:50,115
can. Have more detailed drawings at that stage, and that

486
00:37:50,115 --> 00:37:52,995
time we can address that issue. Okay, I would appreciate

487
00:37:52,995 --> 00:37:56,835
that. And if I can continue, one question about drainage,

488
00:37:56,835 --> 00:38:01,456
and I understand, Mr. Frost. Description about the thieves troughs

489
00:38:01,456 --> 00:38:04,896
are going to be moving the water from the roofs

490
00:38:04,896 --> 00:38:08,730
to the front. I understand that, but. I don't quite

491
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:11,594
grasp the whole thing that. There's going to be all

492
00:38:11,594 --> 00:38:15,819
that, much less. Because right now. There is grass and

493
00:38:15,819 --> 00:38:19,531
there's soil. And that is absorbing some of the water.

494
00:38:20,928 --> 00:38:23,406
So right now. When the houses go up and the

495
00:38:23,406 --> 00:38:27,490
driveways go up. That absorption is going to be lost.

496
00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:33,140
So. We're going to help it over here, but. There's

497
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:36,100
this other issue too. With the lack of the soil,

498
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:38,860
the lot coverage is now much more extensive. So there's

499
00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:40,540
not going to be any absorption into the sauce that's.

500
00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:44,556
One concern. The sump pumps. Where will they discharge to?

501
00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:48,873
The sump pumps would discharge in accordance with the lot

502
00:38:48,873 --> 00:38:52,713
grading plans as well as the building code. I would

503
00:38:52,713 --> 00:38:55,513
imagine they would be to the front yard as well,

504
00:38:55,513 --> 00:38:57,713
to where those catch basins. Are, but I haven't specifically

505
00:38:57,713 --> 00:38:59,953
myself looked at those plans that would probably come at

506
00:38:59,953 --> 00:39:05,828
the time of building permit. If I can continue, is

507
00:39:05,828 --> 00:39:07,508
there any way that we can ensure that the sum

508
00:39:07,508 --> 00:39:09,308
pumps will be. Going to the front, not to the

509
00:39:09,308 --> 00:39:13,177
back. Through you, madam chair. I believe during the planning

510
00:39:13,177 --> 00:39:15,377
applications, when you get to that stage, you could. Put

511
00:39:15,377 --> 00:39:17,417
the condition saying that the sump pumps shall be front

512
00:39:17,417 --> 00:39:21,857
yard drainage councilor or director. Dewario. Correct me if I'm

513
00:39:21,857 --> 00:39:25,337
speaking of turn, madam chair. That's correct, because they still

514
00:39:25,337 --> 00:39:27,737
have to go through another planning application. At this stage,

515
00:39:27,737 --> 00:39:32,695
we are just working on the land use. If. That's

516
00:39:32,695 --> 00:39:35,015
the purpose of this discussion about the zoning application. But,

517
00:39:35,015 --> 00:39:38,215
yes, they would have to go through a subdivision application

518
00:39:38,215 --> 00:39:40,895
where there would be detailed grading plan and servicing plan,

519
00:39:40,895 --> 00:39:43,815
and we can include that condition at that stage, and

520
00:39:43,815 --> 00:39:45,775
I appreciate that, and I know that's going to happen

521
00:39:45,775 --> 00:39:47,175
later on. But at the same point, I know a

522
00:39:47,175 --> 00:39:50,215
lot of the residents are one of their main concerns

523
00:39:50,215 --> 00:39:52,889
is drainage. So if they know that we. Are going

524
00:39:52,889 --> 00:39:56,297
to be addressing this. And we understand that that's a

525
00:39:56,297 --> 00:40:01,856
priority. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor flag. Thank you, madam

526
00:40:01,856 --> 00:40:06,807
Chair. I'm trying to understand. I'm reading this and rereading

527
00:40:06,807 --> 00:40:09,167
it, and I take it two different ways on page

528
00:40:09,167 --> 00:40:13,287
15 of 16. And it says, since the public meeting,

529
00:40:13,287 --> 00:40:16,007
town staff has initiated a peer review. Of the previous

530
00:40:16,007 --> 00:40:21,267
functioning service report, which concluded that. There is adequate downstream

531
00:40:21,267 --> 00:40:25,795
sanitary sewer capacity for each townhomes. Does that mean that

532
00:40:25,795 --> 00:40:31,003
there's a peer review? Reviewing the functioning service report, which

533
00:40:31,003 --> 00:40:34,883
concluded this, or does it mean that the peer review

534
00:40:34,883 --> 00:40:41,418
concluded that there is downstream servicing. If I'm not mixing

535
00:40:41,418 --> 00:40:47,417
myself up, trying to get clarity on something. Mr. Frost.

536
00:40:49,477 --> 00:40:54,364
The functional servings report, in a nutshell, would say. You

537
00:40:54,364 --> 00:40:57,764
need a 300 millimeter diameter sanitary sewer. We have a

538
00:40:57,764 --> 00:41:01,604
300 millimeter sewer. Everything is okay. What a peer review

539
00:41:01,604 --> 00:41:03,724
does is it actually looks at our hydraulic model and

540
00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:06,644
looks at, well, how full is that sewer? How full

541
00:41:06,644 --> 00:41:09,284
are the pump stations? How full is the treatment plant?

542
00:41:09,284 --> 00:41:11,804
And then? Looks at the actual detailed model to say,

543
00:41:11,804 --> 00:41:14,844
if we add these new flows to that 300 mill

544
00:41:14,844 --> 00:41:18,324
diameter sewer. Do we still have capacity? So that peer

545
00:41:18,324 --> 00:41:21,847
review confirmed that we have the right size. Sewer and

546
00:41:21,847 --> 00:41:24,527
there is available capacity within that sewer and at the

547
00:41:24,527 --> 00:41:27,407
nearest pump station and or treatment. Plant to accommodate the

548
00:41:27,407 --> 00:41:30,367
excess sanitary. So it's a peer review of the one

549
00:41:30,367 --> 00:41:32,647
report, but. It gives a lot further information about the

550
00:41:32,647 --> 00:41:35,687
specifics, and it has been completed. If I may. And

551
00:41:35,687 --> 00:41:38,567
it has been completed and has confirmed. Yes. Thank you.

552
00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:48,202
Your worship. Thanks, madam chair. Just a follow up on

553
00:41:48,202 --> 00:41:51,122
Councilor Dubano's concerns about the drainage, which I think we

554
00:41:51,122 --> 00:41:55,042
all share. If we were to impose a condition that

555
00:41:55,042 --> 00:42:00,668
says you can't use mechanical. Means. To eliminate an accumulation

556
00:42:00,668 --> 00:42:03,708
of water, and it turns out that there are problems

557
00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:06,621
down the road. How do we counteract that? Would we

558
00:42:06,621 --> 00:42:12,040
have to then move to amend? Something. It would be

559
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,960
an approved zoning amendment. How do we deal with that?

560
00:42:16,302 --> 00:42:21,683
Madam chair. That would, in my view, that would be

561
00:42:21,683 --> 00:42:24,763
a condition that we can include as plan of subdivision.

562
00:42:24,763 --> 00:42:27,923
But council can give the direction as of now, so

563
00:42:27,923 --> 00:42:31,083
staff would ensure that condition is included in the plan

564
00:42:31,083 --> 00:42:35,107
of subdivision. No, I get that. I'm concerned about. What

565
00:42:35,107 --> 00:42:40,441
if it turns out that. The engineering was overly optimistic

566
00:42:40,441 --> 00:42:44,401
about the water, and the drainage actually becomes a problem.

567
00:42:44,401 --> 00:42:46,401
So that at the bottom of the hill, we have

568
00:42:46,401 --> 00:42:48,921
an accumulation of water, and the only way to eliminate

569
00:42:48,921 --> 00:42:53,059
it is to use some type of mechanical means. How

570
00:42:53,059 --> 00:42:54,699
would we deal with that? And would we have the

571
00:42:54,699 --> 00:42:59,910
ability. After the units are constructed and sold. Who would

572
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:04,347
we deal with? Through you, madam chair. So I suppose

573
00:43:04,347 --> 00:43:06,347
when you think about when an engineer is doing their

574
00:43:06,347 --> 00:43:09,947
report. And they're sealing the report and stamping it, and

575
00:43:09,947 --> 00:43:13,627
they're carrying some insurances. If we find that the analysis

576
00:43:13,627 --> 00:43:16,227
in the engineer's report is incorrect, then we would. Simply

577
00:43:16,227 --> 00:43:18,987
go back to say we're making a claim against that

578
00:43:18,987 --> 00:43:24,191
engineering firm. That we do not believe that the conditions

579
00:43:24,191 --> 00:43:27,671
were as per modeled or per designed in terms of

580
00:43:27,671 --> 00:43:31,599
the need for a mechanical system. I am opposed to

581
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,199
mechanical systems for the same reasons council has provided. We

582
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,479
do put them in. Certain locations, especially when you have.

583
00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:41,133
A big commercial or industrial site where you have storage

584
00:43:41,133 --> 00:43:45,053
and a lot different situations in a residential other options

585
00:43:45,053 --> 00:43:48,173
could exist, like putting in a catch basin at the

586
00:43:48,173 --> 00:43:51,333
rear yard with a drain through one of the neighboring

587
00:43:51,333 --> 00:43:54,893
properties to the street to the south. Not ideal, but

588
00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:57,653
costs could be recovered. For such work if we needed.

589
00:43:58,862 --> 00:44:01,822
To go in and do some quote unquote, emergency rectification

590
00:44:01,822 --> 00:44:05,742
of a problem and we would seek damages from the

591
00:44:05,742 --> 00:44:08,702
engineering firm and or the developer to cover that. If

592
00:44:08,702 --> 00:44:13,142
we found that the report was not as intended, so

593
00:44:13,142 --> 00:44:15,622
I don't want to make this too complicated. I agree.

594
00:44:16,902 --> 00:44:22,383
That no mechanical. Presence is ideal. But doesn't this report

595
00:44:22,383 --> 00:44:26,703
say that our staff worked with the developers engineer? With

596
00:44:26,703 --> 00:44:29,423
respect to the drainage issue. And if that's the case.

597
00:44:32,331 --> 00:44:38,697
Aren't we somehow implicated in the drainage solution? Through you,

598
00:44:38,697 --> 00:44:42,017
madam chair. Our staff met with the developer and their

599
00:44:42,017 --> 00:44:45,257
consultant who came in and ideas. Were put on the

600
00:44:45,257 --> 00:44:49,697
table for discussion and a recommended solution of diverting the

601
00:44:49,697 --> 00:44:52,457
drainage to the front through the downspouts and eavesdrops was

602
00:44:52,457 --> 00:44:55,737
proposed. Staff were in support of that as long as

603
00:44:55,737 --> 00:44:59,271
all of the engineering done. By the developer and their

604
00:44:59,271 --> 00:45:04,623
consultant still confirmed. And basically said that this would work.

605
00:45:04,623 --> 00:45:07,183
So while we're at the table for a review, agency,

606
00:45:07,183 --> 00:45:10,343
a commenting agency. We can have these discussions of what

607
00:45:10,343 --> 00:45:14,209
staff would entertain. As adequate to deal with the problem.

608
00:45:14,209 --> 00:45:17,329
We don't take the ownership or the responsibility or liability

609
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:20,569
of the design work. Still. Okay. And if I might,

610
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:26,329
madam chair. So, a development of seven. Units that requires

611
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:30,761
a plan of subdivision. That's correct, madam chair. Yes. Okay,

612
00:45:30,761 --> 00:45:37,071
so then, I suppose. The details of the drainage is

613
00:45:37,071 --> 00:45:40,771
something that we can include in the subdivision. Application and

614
00:45:40,771 --> 00:45:44,411
agreement, if there is one. Okay, then the other question

615
00:45:44,411 --> 00:45:51,051
that I had was. Surrounding the density. And the low

616
00:45:51,051 --> 00:45:55,020
density. According to the chart in the report, indicates that.

617
00:45:58,051 --> 00:46:03,699
The lot. Coverage is 510. Square meters. By my calculation,

618
00:46:05,693 --> 00:46:08,893
That would permit six units on this property under the

619
00:46:08,893 --> 00:46:14,005
current zoning, is that correct? Madam chair. Yes, that's correct.

620
00:46:16,987 --> 00:46:20,827
And then we have what is being proposed as the

621
00:46:20,827 --> 00:46:26,424
new zoning. And then. How the developer is proposing that

622
00:46:26,424 --> 00:46:32,206
be utilized. So when we talk in the report about.

623
00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:39,753
There being 28 units per hectare. That's based on. The

624
00:46:39,753 --> 00:46:45,847
proposed zoning. Of 35 units per hectare. That's based on

625
00:46:45,847 --> 00:46:49,447
the new zoning that they are proposing, right? Okay, so

626
00:46:49,447 --> 00:46:54,766
there is, in fact, an increase in the density. From

627
00:46:54,766 --> 00:47:04,139
six. To 24, 26 or whatever it is. Correct. When

628
00:47:04,139 --> 00:47:06,859
we are talking about density. So there are two parts

629
00:47:06,859 --> 00:47:10,139
to it. The property is designated low. Density. And the

630
00:47:10,139 --> 00:47:13,059
proposal still complies with the density which is outlined in

631
00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:17,558
low density, which. Is 50 units, which is less than

632
00:47:17,558 --> 00:47:22,291
50 units per hectare, and they are proposing. 2023.8 units

633
00:47:22,291 --> 00:47:27,667
per hectare. But the zoning says. The size of the

634
00:47:27,667 --> 00:47:36,804
lot? 510. Square meters. Minimum lot area, which means that

635
00:47:36,804 --> 00:47:42,219
whatever the density might be, This says for this current

636
00:47:42,219 --> 00:47:47,490
zoning. 510 m², which would work out to six units

637
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:51,826
on the parcel. Is that not correct? Madam chair. When

638
00:47:51,826 --> 00:47:53,906
we are talking about six units, we are talking about

639
00:47:53,906 --> 00:47:56,906
the lot area and lot. Frontage, so sometimes there is.

640
00:47:58,484 --> 00:48:00,684
A difference, technical difference, between what can be accommodated on

641
00:48:00,684 --> 00:48:03,684
site and what can be the density on site, so

642
00:48:03,684 --> 00:48:08,195
that is. I think there is a technical difference of

643
00:48:08,195 --> 00:48:11,795
opinion there, but the property is designated low density. The

644
00:48:11,795 --> 00:48:14,995
proposal that the applicant has submitted complies with the density

645
00:48:14,995 --> 00:48:18,235
requirements of low density designation only. Thing that they are

646
00:48:18,235 --> 00:48:21,355
requesting is a change in build form, but the proposal

647
00:48:21,355 --> 00:48:31,177
complies with the density requirement of low density. Well,

648
00:48:31,177 --> 00:48:36,642
okay, that's fine. I'm just trying to process that. I

649
00:48:36,642 --> 00:48:39,402
did have one other question, and that is, is it

650
00:48:39,402 --> 00:48:41,322
possible in the future when we have a parcel like

651
00:48:41,322 --> 00:48:47,398
this where there's. A significant change in grade elevation that

652
00:48:47,398 --> 00:48:52,671
we could at least get some type of. Map or

653
00:48:52,671 --> 00:48:56,808
some type of. Indication as to what the property actually

654
00:48:56,808 --> 00:48:59,688
looks like from a side elevation so that we can

655
00:48:59,688 --> 00:49:05,114
see. Because this is a fairly large drop. In the

656
00:49:05,114 --> 00:49:08,514
elevation of this property from Repstock Road back to the

657
00:49:08,514 --> 00:49:14,700
houses on Elizabeth. Yes, thank you. Councilor Lewis. Thank you,

658
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:22,423
madam Chair. Just going back to the drainage. Issue. And

659
00:49:22,423 --> 00:49:25,503
one of the resolutions which was moving all of the

660
00:49:25,503 --> 00:49:29,983
runoff forward, I've heard several times that we're moving it

661
00:49:29,983 --> 00:49:33,223
forward towards the road, and I'm having a bit. Of

662
00:49:33,223 --> 00:49:35,663
a hard time trying to visualize this because anyone that

663
00:49:35,663 --> 00:49:39,777
knows the area will know after a heavy rainfall. That

664
00:49:39,777 --> 00:49:42,937
section of road is covered in water to begin with.

665
00:49:44,573 --> 00:49:49,293
With narrow gutters and currently floods. So if we're moving.

666
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,844
The water. That was a problem going south. To the

667
00:49:54,844 --> 00:50:00,517
properties below. And fixing it by moving it forward. Are

668
00:50:00,517 --> 00:50:03,957
there any comments from staff? If we're making the flooding

669
00:50:03,957 --> 00:50:10,568
potentially on Rebstock? Road, currently worse than. What it would

670
00:50:10,568 --> 00:50:15,648
be, because if we're taking extra water, currently going with

671
00:50:15,648 --> 00:50:19,408
gravity, downhill and moving it now north. If this is

672
00:50:19,408 --> 00:50:23,272
all going to the street, what does that do? Ross.

673
00:50:23,272 --> 00:50:27,352
Thank you, madam chair. When we drain the subject property,

674
00:50:27,352 --> 00:50:29,592
it will be going to catch basins. At the property

675
00:50:29,592 --> 00:50:32,632
line into leads to the storm sewer directly. So we're

676
00:50:32,632 --> 00:50:35,512
not putting the water directly onto the road. My understanding

677
00:50:35,512 --> 00:50:37,472
that the problem with that road right now is a

678
00:50:37,472 --> 00:50:41,152
bit. Twofold in that there could be more catch basins

679
00:50:41,152 --> 00:50:45,615
required. The. Grade of the road. Isn't conducive the way

680
00:50:45,615 --> 00:50:49,244
we design roads currently. To kind of manage the flows

681
00:50:49,244 --> 00:50:52,924
into these catch basins. So, yes, we're obviously adding more.

682
00:50:52,924 --> 00:50:56,084
Water to that area. But how it's not just overland

683
00:50:56,084 --> 00:50:59,764
flow on the roadway itself, with capital budget coming up,

684
00:50:59,764 --> 00:51:01,844
staff can always take back to look at a project

685
00:51:01,844 --> 00:51:03,924
on this section of road as well to look at

686
00:51:03,924 --> 00:51:06,804
drainage concerns. If they are currently a problem, it's something

687
00:51:06,804 --> 00:51:09,346
that could be considered in the. 2026 capital budget as

688
00:51:09,346 --> 00:51:13,282
well. Okay. And just if I'm following that, so then

689
00:51:13,282 --> 00:51:15,802
the cost to fixing that would be from. The general

690
00:51:15,802 --> 00:51:20,122
levy and taxpayer not out of the development from this

691
00:51:20,122 --> 00:51:23,282
proposal. Correct to you, madam Chair. From my understanding that

692
00:51:23,282 --> 00:51:26,322
there is a preexisting condition, regardless whether this development goes

693
00:51:26,322 --> 00:51:28,402
through or not. So it would be borne by the

694
00:51:28,402 --> 00:51:37,463
general levy and not this development specifically. Okay. Are there

695
00:51:37,463 --> 00:51:39,863
any other one last thing I wanted to throw in

696
00:51:39,863 --> 00:51:43,263
there. Further to the mayor's comment and some of the

697
00:51:43,263 --> 00:51:45,823
others with respect to the density, I'd like to move

698
00:51:45,823 --> 00:51:50,046
that we go from. Seven units to six units on

699
00:51:50,046 --> 00:51:56,202
this property. So my motion would be to amend. Seven

700
00:51:56,202 --> 00:52:02,560
units to six. Can I get a seconder? Councilor noise?

701
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,245
Don't need one. Okay. All right, then. So. That is

702
00:52:08,245 --> 00:52:13,753
on the floor for discussion, Councilor Duverno. Yeah, I think

703
00:52:13,753 --> 00:52:17,101
you met up chair. Whether council decides to go this

704
00:52:17,101 --> 00:52:21,863
way or not. I'm just wondering. If we did pass

705
00:52:21,863 --> 00:52:26,081
this amendment. Maybe we can get some insight from Ms.

706
00:52:26,081 --> 00:52:30,980
Del Warrior. On if it's appealed. What would be our

707
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:32,860
likelihood of being able to uphold this? Or are we

708
00:52:32,860 --> 00:52:35,020
just spinning in circles? And returning back to the original

709
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:44,142
plan. That's fair. Councilor noise. Just a

710
00:52:44,142 --> 00:52:50,409
clarification on the motion. Are we looking at? Okay? Going

711
00:52:50,409 --> 00:52:53,529
from seven to six. What are we looking at, decreasing

712
00:52:53,529 --> 00:52:56,089
the lot coverage or just decreasing the lot number. I

713
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:58,529
mean, they could make six and just make them just

714
00:52:58,529 --> 00:53:03,607
as big. Bigger. So what? The purpose of the amendment

715
00:53:03,607 --> 00:53:07,007
is to decrease the lot coverage or to just decrease

716
00:53:07,007 --> 00:53:11,271
the number. Councilor. Actually, you make a good point there.

717
00:53:11,271 --> 00:53:14,271
So maybe we should make an friendly amendment to the

718
00:53:14,271 --> 00:53:23,452
amendment where we talk specifically. To. The. Reducing the numbers

719
00:53:23,452 --> 00:53:26,920
from seven to six. I'm just trying to think how

720
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:36,849
we'd word that, though. Mr. Warrior, do

721
00:53:36,849 --> 00:53:42,995
you have any suggestions? Would it be? Lake, for example?

722
00:53:44,661 --> 00:53:47,953
To the number of square meters. Of total or what?

723
00:53:47,953 --> 00:53:51,720
So if we are reducing the number of units. Each

724
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,681
lot would have a greater frontage. And then the setbacks,

725
00:53:55,681 --> 00:53:59,330
because. The build form would be covered through the setbacks.

726
00:54:01,023 --> 00:54:04,959
So. It could be a bigger unit. But the lot

727
00:54:04,959 --> 00:54:07,479
coverage if council wants to do that. So I don't

728
00:54:07,479 --> 00:54:09,279
have what would. Be the perfect number there.

729
00:54:22,018 --> 00:54:26,178
Your worship. Well, wouldn't you simply divide 0.323 ha by

730
00:54:26,178 --> 00:54:35,972
six and that provides. Your lot coverage. Just wait

731
00:54:35,972 --> 00:54:36,772
for a minute.

732
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Would have some suggestions.

733
00:55:05,271 --> 00:55:15,244
Mr. Van dervine. Take the floor. To the chair.

734
00:55:21,104 --> 00:55:24,144
It's something we could look into. It's hard to calculate

735
00:55:24,144 --> 00:55:26,184
on the fly, but. It's something we could definitely look

736
00:55:26,184 --> 00:55:33,176
at. If council were to proceed with that. I suppose

737
00:55:33,176 --> 00:55:38,589
staff could prepare a memo. To accompany the amending bylaw.

738
00:55:38,589 --> 00:55:41,669
Assuming it gets approved. That would explain how the densities

739
00:55:41,669 --> 00:55:47,313
calculated. In coverage based on six units. Based on what

740
00:55:47,313 --> 00:55:51,164
they're proposing currently. If council is concerned. Madam chair, if

741
00:55:51,164 --> 00:55:53,724
council is concerned about the lot coverage, they could say

742
00:55:53,724 --> 00:56:01,542
that. They maintain the same footprint of the building. And

743
00:56:01,542 --> 00:56:04,622
reduce it by six by one unit, so it will

744
00:56:04,622 --> 00:56:13,735
be six units with the same footprint. Council slide.

745
00:56:15,564 --> 00:56:21,859
There's currently a design that shows. One four unit and

746
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:24,459
one three unit. So I think what we're trying to

747
00:56:24,459 --> 00:56:27,779
do is just duplicate the three unit, the two three

748
00:56:27,779 --> 00:56:33,001
on that. Council, Lewis. Thank you. And just clarity on

749
00:56:33,001 --> 00:56:36,401
that, would it not be maintaining the same as six?

750
00:56:36,401 --> 00:56:42,184
Students, not seven. Because if we're painting the same units

751
00:56:42,184 --> 00:56:45,621
as seven, we're not really changing. That makes any.

752
00:56:53,641 --> 00:57:01,122
The footprint that shows three units would be duplicated. Yes.

753
00:57:03,740 --> 00:57:13,481
So, in other words, There would be. Less. Actual

754
00:57:13,481 --> 00:57:20,043
coverage, hard coverage. About what you're proposing. It would be

755
00:57:20,043 --> 00:57:25,267
moved to go from seven to six. Maintaining the same

756
00:57:25,267 --> 00:57:32,753
lot coverage as six units. And duplicating the footprint of

757
00:57:32,753 --> 00:57:35,792
the block. Of.

758
00:57:42,721 --> 00:57:45,886
Your worship. Let me get my ore in the water

759
00:57:45,886 --> 00:57:50,091
here. The motion to amend is to reduce the number

760
00:57:50,091 --> 00:57:56,069
of units from seven to six. I don't know what

761
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:58,069
the best way to do that is. We're asking staff.

762
00:57:58,069 --> 00:58:01,381
To do this on the fly. We've got. Mr. Vandervine

763
00:58:01,381 --> 00:58:06,914
up here. We've got the director, so. Why don't we

764
00:58:06,914 --> 00:58:08,914
simply pass the amendment to reduce the number of units?

765
00:58:10,371 --> 00:58:11,931
It's our intention to at least keep the side yard

766
00:58:11,931 --> 00:58:17,272
setbacks. And have staff then have. If this passes, have

767
00:58:17,272 --> 00:58:21,846
staff have further dialogue with. The developer to determine what

768
00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:23,606
those units are going to look like, whether it's going

769
00:58:23,606 --> 00:58:26,166
to be two blocks of three or three blocks of

770
00:58:26,166 --> 00:58:32,126
two, or who knows? That's my suggestion. You're all right

771
00:58:32,126 --> 00:58:37,046
with that? Yes. All right, then. Councilor Dubano? Yeah? Thank

772
00:58:37,046 --> 00:58:40,166
you. Madam Chair, I appreciate where the mayor was going

773
00:58:40,166 --> 00:58:44,817
with my previous question. About needing to do that in

774
00:58:44,817 --> 00:58:47,667
camera. What I will say with respect to the amendment.

775
00:58:47,667 --> 00:58:49,747
This isn't my first rodeo, and I've seen lots of

776
00:58:49,747 --> 00:58:53,227
development applications and how they get appealed. I think it's

777
00:58:53,227 --> 00:58:56,267
important. To point out that the applicant did reduce this

778
00:58:56,267 --> 00:58:59,147
originally from eight to seven. I think by rights. And

779
00:58:59,147 --> 00:59:00,947
in my opinion, and I am a layman and I

780
00:59:00,947 --> 00:59:03,067
am a member of council, but. I do think that

781
00:59:03,067 --> 00:59:05,267
if they did appeal a request to go from eight

782
00:59:05,267 --> 00:59:07,805
to seven and. They wanted to stick to eight. In

783
00:59:07,805 --> 00:59:09,685
my opinion, I think they would have been justified to

784
00:59:09,685 --> 00:59:13,205
appeal. And they may have been successful. Again, my opinion,

785
00:59:13,205 --> 00:59:17,566
I'm not sure if the applicant. Were to appeal this

786
00:59:17,566 --> 00:59:23,339
if we would be successful. And. This community is changing.

787
00:59:24,594 --> 00:59:26,514
We've dealt with a lot of appeals we've dealt with.

788
00:59:28,184 --> 00:59:31,784
Situations that personally have frustrated me. I get it. But

789
00:59:31,784 --> 00:59:34,344
when I look at what these appeals cost, when I

790
00:59:34,344 --> 00:59:36,824
look at the hills that we have to die on,

791
00:59:36,824 --> 00:59:39,664
if you will. I know this is a very important

792
00:59:39,664 --> 00:59:42,664
issue for the residents in the neighborhood. I said before

793
00:59:42,664 --> 00:59:45,704
I'm not convinced that this is going to significantly alter

794
00:59:45,704 --> 00:59:50,354
the neighborhood the way they claim. I have a very

795
00:59:50,354 --> 00:59:54,561
different opinion on that. So I'm not supportive of this.

796
00:59:54,561 --> 00:59:56,641
I think they already went down from eight to seven.

797
00:59:56,641 --> 00:59:59,081
I think that was a compromise in of itself. If

798
00:59:59,081 --> 01:00:01,521
council decides to take it down to six, that's fine.

799
01:00:01,521 --> 01:00:02,881
I think we're going to be in a closed session,

800
01:00:02,881 --> 01:00:06,281
though, if that happens, so I'm not supporting this. Thank

801
01:00:06,281 --> 01:00:09,910
you. Councilor Lewis. Thank you, and I'll be brief. And

802
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:15,642
just further to Councilor Duverno. That is. Eight to seven,

803
01:00:15,642 --> 01:00:19,601
but that's with the new zoning. Low density being the

804
01:00:19,601 --> 01:00:28,060
six. There really has been. If I may, madam chair,

805
01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:31,140
could we get clarification from Miss de Laure? Because my.

806
01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:33,700
Understanding is that if these were semi detached units, they

807
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:38,938
would qualify as. Under our official plan as low density.

808
01:00:38,938 --> 01:00:41,218
And it's not a question of the density here. It's

809
01:00:41,218 --> 01:00:43,578
a question of the built form. So we were to

810
01:00:43,578 --> 01:00:46,738
do two units of three. Those are considered townhomes. It

811
01:00:46,738 --> 01:00:49,098
would still require an amendment to go to medium density.

812
01:00:50,788 --> 01:00:55,780
Perhaps Ms. De Warrior can clarify that. Madam Sham. Councilor

813
01:00:55,780 --> 01:01:00,220
juvenile's understanding is correct. Yes. And if I may, madam

814
01:01:00,220 --> 01:01:03,500
Chair so. Are we proposing then? Three semis to maintain.

815
01:01:04,859 --> 01:01:07,379
The low density designation. That's where I'm getting confused here.

816
01:01:07,379 --> 01:01:12,670
And where I think. We. 'll refrain from speaking further,

817
01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:15,030
but this is where I'm getting confused, because if the

818
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:18,350
intent is to maintain the low density designation. It can't

819
01:01:18,350 --> 01:01:21,590
have townhomes at all. So just reducing this from one.

820
01:01:22,993 --> 01:01:26,673
From seven units to six. Unless it's three blocks of

821
01:01:26,673 --> 01:01:31,673
semis, we're still. Going up to a medium density designation,

822
01:01:31,673 --> 01:01:33,913
regardless of the fact that the actual density of the

823
01:01:33,913 --> 01:01:40,009
units meets the low density target. So again. I'm not

824
01:01:40,009 --> 01:01:42,409
sure what councilor lewis's intent was there. Maybe he can

825
01:01:42,409 --> 01:01:46,569
clarify. Councilor lewis, could you clarify? No. I beat him.

826
01:01:46,569 --> 01:01:50,779
Crow on that one. Thank you. You worshiped. Yeah. So

827
01:01:50,779 --> 01:01:54,219
just for clarification, this is a request to rezone the

828
01:01:54,219 --> 01:01:57,819
property and the rezoning permits the townhouse use. So that

829
01:01:57,819 --> 01:02:03,104
isn't going to change so it can be townhouses. The

830
01:02:03,104 --> 01:02:06,624
developer agrees with the six units, he could put in

831
01:02:06,624 --> 01:02:09,704
something of a low density nature, but there's no question

832
01:02:09,704 --> 01:02:13,174
that that's the purpose of the application. Okay. No fighting,

833
01:02:13,174 --> 01:02:20,795
boys, okay? Are there any other comments or questions?

834
01:02:24,752 --> 01:02:32,395
Yes. To the amendment? Yes. So I will ask for

835
01:02:32,395 --> 01:02:37,503
a vote on the amendment. All those in favor of.

836
01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:43,892
Reducing the number of units on the site. Under the

837
01:02:43,892 --> 01:02:49,467
current application. To change the zoning designation. To be very

838
01:02:49,467 --> 01:02:59,398
clear. All those in favor? All those opposed? That

839
01:02:59,398 --> 01:03:07,617
is carried. Now. We go. To. The recommendation as amended,

840
01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:15,025
the report as an ended. All those in favor? All

841
01:03:15,025 --> 01:03:22,721
those opposed? Carried. Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

842
01:03:24,624 --> 01:03:32,793
We now go. To consideration of pbbs 58 2025. The

843
01:03:32,793 --> 01:03:36,873
official plan recommendation report and for all of those people

844
01:03:36,873 --> 01:03:40,822
who are out there on YouTube. Whom I hope there

845
01:03:40,822 --> 01:03:45,001
are many. This is one of the, if not the

846
01:03:45,001 --> 01:03:49,227
most important. Now it is the most important. Policy document

847
01:03:49,227 --> 01:03:55,658
that a local municipality can engage in because. This directs

848
01:03:55,658 --> 01:04:01,427
the formation of the community. For decades to come. So.

849
01:04:02,819 --> 01:04:05,923
It's been a huge amount of work by staff. And.

850
01:04:08,605 --> 01:04:14,434
Its implementation will guide us in the future. So. That

851
01:04:14,434 --> 01:04:18,874
report of Councilor Dubano seconds. So that report is on

852
01:04:18,874 --> 01:04:22,954
the floor for questions and. Comments. He's moving it. Oh,

853
01:04:22,954 --> 01:04:27,779
he's moving it. Okay. So counselor Dubano is moved, okay?

854
01:04:29,875 --> 01:04:34,555
Councilor Dubano. Thank you very much, madam chair. And I

855
01:04:34,555 --> 01:04:36,835
want to extend my appreciation to. Staff that this has

856
01:04:36,835 --> 01:04:42,599
been. A long. For good reason. It's been a long,

857
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:46,519
drawn out effort, and I have been very privileged. During

858
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:49,239
that time to have been the chair and the vice

859
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:54,439
chair of what was the planning and development services subcommittee

860
01:04:54,439 --> 01:04:59,287
and now the planning, building and bylaw subcommittee. So I've

861
01:04:59,287 --> 01:05:02,287
had a part in this. I've had eyes on it.

862
01:05:02,287 --> 01:05:04,327
It's. Very important to me, and there's a lot of

863
01:05:04,327 --> 01:05:08,924
aspects to this that I feel are going to. Not

864
01:05:08,924 --> 01:05:13,796
just. Make our community a better place, but also. Give

865
01:05:13,796 --> 01:05:17,196
guidance to where the compatibility and where things make sense

866
01:05:17,196 --> 01:05:21,235
to grow. And I think that's. Really important. When I

867
01:05:21,235 --> 01:05:23,755
got elected to council in 2018, it was one of

868
01:05:23,755 --> 01:05:25,035
the things I said is that we got to get

869
01:05:25,035 --> 01:05:29,395
an official plan updated, and we were waiting for the

870
01:05:29,395 --> 01:05:32,697
region's official plan moving through at that time. Because these

871
01:05:32,697 --> 01:05:37,098
are important. The community is changing. There is unprecedented growth

872
01:05:37,098 --> 01:05:40,658
around this entire country, particularly here in the Niagara region,

873
01:05:40,658 --> 01:05:43,218
in Ford area, and a few other communities across the

874
01:05:43,218 --> 01:05:46,884
region, so. We need to get a groundwork put in

875
01:05:46,884 --> 01:05:48,444
place to direct where we're going to. Be for the

876
01:05:48,444 --> 01:05:53,133
next ten years, plus. Maybe even 1520, depending on when

877
01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:56,573
the next official plan comes around. And I think it's.

878
01:05:56,573 --> 01:05:59,053
Also very important to point out that this is our

879
01:05:59,053 --> 01:06:04,149
own official plan. Now that the region. Has had planning

880
01:06:04,149 --> 01:06:07,429
authority removed by the province. This now falls directly upon

881
01:06:07,429 --> 01:06:11,309
us. So we're no longer subservient to another municipal level

882
01:06:11,309 --> 01:06:14,909
of government that is dictating policies. To us. It's basically

883
01:06:14,909 --> 01:06:16,749
between us and the province now, which I think is

884
01:06:16,749 --> 01:06:20,069
good for our community because it allows us to grow

885
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:24,895
and for us to put. Our own. Stamp on it,

886
01:06:24,895 --> 01:06:29,918
if you will, without. Necessarily the input from other municipalities

887
01:06:29,918 --> 01:06:34,786
that have different priorities and different objectives. I do plan

888
01:06:34,786 --> 01:06:38,269
on moving an amendment to this. In a moment. I'll

889
01:06:38,269 --> 01:06:40,829
wait for other counselors to have an opportunity to speak

890
01:06:40,829 --> 01:06:43,789
before. I do that. But again, I want to extend

891
01:06:43,789 --> 01:06:48,149
my appreciation that this is a very councilor. Christensen. You

892
01:06:48,149 --> 01:06:51,069
said it best when it started. This is probably the

893
01:06:51,069 --> 01:06:55,942
one most. Significant document that a council has to craft

894
01:06:55,942 --> 01:06:59,192
during their time here. And it's an honor and a

895
01:06:59,192 --> 01:07:01,472
privilege to be here, to be a part of this.

896
01:07:01,472 --> 01:07:04,192
It's an honor and privilege that I was part of

897
01:07:04,192 --> 01:07:07,792
planning and development services and pbbs for it as well.

898
01:07:07,792 --> 01:07:10,912
I'm looking forward to this, moving forward. And I'll bring

899
01:07:10,912 --> 01:07:14,667
the amendment up. After others have an opportunity to speak.

900
01:07:14,667 --> 01:07:18,067
Thank you, madam chair. Thank you, Councilor Duvano. I think.

901
01:07:19,982 --> 01:07:25,177
The staff. Deserve and I think appreciate the recognition because

902
01:07:25,177 --> 01:07:28,380
it is a huge amount of work. Do other counselors

903
01:07:28,380 --> 01:07:32,220
have comments? Counselor Noise. Thank you, councilor Christensen. I just

904
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:37,904
wanted some clarification. Mr. Harring, I had an opportunity of.

905
01:07:37,904 --> 01:07:43,142
We've been playing phone tag. So we haven't had a

906
01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:48,080
really opportunity to discuss this, but. In one of the

907
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:54,154
emails that he sent recently. And. It's on the Netherby.

908
01:07:54,154 --> 01:08:01,185
Planning nethery planting on behalf of Dunshire. Development. And. In

909
01:08:01,185 --> 01:08:07,749
that response. You talked about the policy a three five.

910
01:08:10,323 --> 01:08:12,123
I just want some clarification. I know a lot of

911
01:08:12,123 --> 01:08:14,403
people always bring this up, okay? What about the secondary

912
01:08:14,403 --> 01:08:17,705
plan? What about this? It talks about when there's inconsistencies

913
01:08:17,705 --> 01:08:20,505
that exist between the plan and the secondary plans or

914
01:08:20,505 --> 01:08:24,545
site specific policies that the latter take present. And I'm

915
01:08:24,545 --> 01:08:26,225
just wondering if that could be explained a little bit

916
01:08:26,225 --> 01:08:26,265
more.

917
01:08:38,176 --> 01:08:41,334
Time. My apologies. Good evening, council. My name is Rob

918
01:08:41,334 --> 01:08:43,974
Rappel. I'm with WSP, the consultant has been retained by

919
01:08:43,974 --> 01:08:47,854
the town to undertake the official plan review process and

920
01:08:47,854 --> 01:08:50,414
on the consultant project manager for the official plan review.

921
01:08:51,914 --> 01:08:55,074
So I will offer a response to Councilor Noy's question

922
01:08:55,074 --> 01:08:58,434
and available to answer. Questions this evening as well. Through

923
01:08:58,434 --> 01:09:04,467
you, madame chair. In certain cases. There may be differences

924
01:09:04,467 --> 01:09:08,027
or some discrepancies between the parent official plan and the

925
01:09:08,027 --> 01:09:10,827
secondary plan policies or those policies of the site specific

926
01:09:10,827 --> 01:09:15,221
policy areas under section G of the official plan. A

927
01:09:15,221 --> 01:09:20,100
35. Is a policy that's intended to aid with interpretation

928
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:24,345
where those discrepancies exist. I believe in this specific example,

929
01:09:24,345 --> 01:09:26,665
there was a previous official plan amendment that was adopted

930
01:09:26,665 --> 01:09:29,505
by council. That changed the land use designations on those

931
01:09:29,505 --> 01:09:34,303
subject lands. The schedule of the secondary plan has not

932
01:09:34,303 --> 01:09:36,983
been updated to reflect that. So I think in actuality.

933
01:09:38,697 --> 01:09:43,392
There is no discrepancy between. The designations. That apply, and

934
01:09:43,392 --> 01:09:47,232
I believe Mr. Hare outlined that in his response to

935
01:09:47,232 --> 01:09:51,055
the comments via the email. I brought that as an

936
01:09:51,055 --> 01:09:52,495
example because I know we have a lot of questions

937
01:09:52,495 --> 01:09:58,797
about secondary plans. And things and the public. Was. And

938
01:09:58,797 --> 01:10:01,917
they participated in the open house and the official plan

939
01:10:01,917 --> 01:10:08,962
too. So where that occurs. The official plan, basically. Is

940
01:10:08,962 --> 01:10:11,722
the final document that should be absorbing the secondary plan

941
01:10:11,722 --> 01:10:14,842
or considering it when they come up. Through the official

942
01:10:14,842 --> 01:10:21,559
plan process, I think. There's two considerations there. The details

943
01:10:21,559 --> 01:10:24,359
of the secondary plans are the site specific policies would

944
01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:27,319
take precedence over the parent official plan unless the official

945
01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:34,756
plan expressly. Notes otherwise, such as the built form policies

946
01:10:34,756 --> 01:10:37,756
where the crystal beach secondary plan is exempted from that

947
01:10:37,756 --> 01:10:42,685
policy framework. And then secondly. Where there is a discrepancy

948
01:10:42,685 --> 01:10:46,517
or a note of discrepancy. That policy is intended to

949
01:10:46,517 --> 01:10:49,997
support with interpretation and provide some guidance to staff and

950
01:10:49,997 --> 01:10:56,377
landowners in those cases. Thank you. Other comments and questions,

951
01:10:56,377 --> 01:11:03,224
your worship. Thank you very much, madam Chair. I have

952
01:11:03,224 --> 01:11:05,224
a couple of questions. I wonder for Mr. Rapul. Come

953
01:11:05,224 --> 01:11:09,232
back up. The first has to do with the provision.

954
01:11:12,546 --> 01:11:22,351
In. Relative to housing at c .4.4. And sub five,

955
01:11:22,351 --> 01:11:27,446
which talks about encouraging the development of affordable housing. It's

956
01:11:27,446 --> 01:11:29,326
on page 14 of your. Yes, I have it in

957
01:11:29,326 --> 01:11:31,326
front of me. Thank you. Is there any way that

958
01:11:31,326 --> 01:11:38,668
we can compel affordable housing? Through Madame Chair in response

959
01:11:38,668 --> 01:11:44,114
to the mayor's comment. There are opportunities to encourage or

960
01:11:44,114 --> 01:11:47,874
incentivize affordable housing available to the town under the Planning

961
01:11:47,874 --> 01:11:52,634
act, such as through community improvement planning. I also believe

962
01:11:52,634 --> 01:11:55,194
that the community planning permit system can be a tool

963
01:11:55,194 --> 01:11:59,474
that can be used by newspapers again forwarded to municipalities

964
01:11:59,474 --> 01:12:03,810
under the Planning act. To compel. At the very least,

965
01:12:03,810 --> 01:12:09,290
require encourage landowners or developers to include affordable housing within

966
01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:16,620
their development applications. So. Encourage. Is a lot different than

967
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:21,630
compel. Yeah, I would appreciate some clarification here, perhaps. From

968
01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:24,630
under Terry, but I do believe that they can require

969
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:30,374
affordable housing. But I will stand to be corrected. One.

970
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:37,356
Year worship. We are proportion to include a community planning

971
01:12:37,356 --> 01:12:42,070
appointment system is because we can. Require affordable housing within

972
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:44,110
those areas. So we want to focus it on our

973
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:46,270
strategic growth areas. But it's an opportunity to require it

974
01:12:46,270 --> 01:12:50,269
in those areas. If I could, madam chair. So that

975
01:12:50,269 --> 01:12:54,857
would be for larger type developments. Is there some thought

976
01:12:54,857 --> 01:12:57,217
as to how large the development would be before we

977
01:12:57,217 --> 01:13:02,753
would take that type? Of action. To require some affordable

978
01:13:02,753 --> 01:13:06,873
housing unit. The next step after the official plan is

979
01:13:06,873 --> 01:13:09,633
adopted and approved by the province would be to do

980
01:13:09,633 --> 01:13:13,753
a more comprehensive study for the cpps, and in that

981
01:13:13,753 --> 01:13:16,353
process, we can kind of create the guidelines as far

982
01:13:16,353 --> 01:13:18,713
as how far we want to go for affordable housing.

983
01:13:18,713 --> 01:13:24,312
Thank you. So in terms of the natural environment system

984
01:13:24,312 --> 01:13:29,014
mapping, how confident are we that. Is very accurate mapping.

985
01:13:30,546 --> 01:13:33,826
We've three Madame chairman, sponsor, mayor. I think as a

986
01:13:33,826 --> 01:13:37,826
project team, we've worked very closely with the province, with

987
01:13:37,826 --> 01:13:41,866
Niagara Peninsula Conservation authority, and with the region and to.

988
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,720
The extent possible with landowners to refine that mapping. It's

989
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,360
gone under multiple iterations. Through the various draft official plans

990
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,132
that have been presented to council. So I think in

991
01:13:54,132 --> 01:13:56,612
direct response to your question, we're putting our best foot

992
01:13:56,612 --> 01:13:59,572
forward with the information that we have available to us

993
01:13:59,572 --> 01:14:02,572
through this process. Thanks. I raised that Madam chair because

994
01:14:02,572 --> 01:14:04,972
when I was speaking with Ms. Dewaria earlier today, I

995
01:14:04,972 --> 01:14:09,681
pointed out that there's a drainage channel. On farmland behind

996
01:14:09,681 --> 01:14:11,881
my property. It doesn't show up on any of these

997
01:14:11,881 --> 01:14:16,321
maps, but it does appear on some conservation authority mapping

998
01:14:16,321 --> 01:14:18,641
of some sort, so I would hope we can make

999
01:14:18,641 --> 01:14:24,917
sure that that's accurate. More specifically, Schedule a two, which

1000
01:14:24,917 --> 01:14:33,313
I think is page 255. Of. This plan. Is. Yes.

1001
01:14:38,430 --> 01:14:43,509
It shows. A strategic growth area. In. Just lost it

1002
01:14:43,509 --> 01:14:49,630
in Ridgeway. But that map includes properties on the east

1003
01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:52,990
side of Prospect Point Road, north of Dominion Road, some

1004
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:59,349
of which. Shows that it has environmental. Concerns. Why would

1005
01:14:59,349 --> 01:15:02,909
that be included as part of the strategic growth area?

1006
01:15:02,909 --> 01:15:06,404
Through you, madame chair. In response to the mayor. The

1007
01:15:06,404 --> 01:15:10,112
strategic area looks at those areas as a whole. Presumably

1008
01:15:10,112 --> 01:15:11,632
those lands that have been identified as part of the

1009
01:15:11,632 --> 01:15:15,754
natural environment system. Would be protected or conserved through future

1010
01:15:15,754 --> 01:15:19,994
development applications and not contemplated for development based on the

1011
01:15:19,994 --> 01:15:23,658
policies of the official plan. You may not know this,

1012
01:15:23,658 --> 01:15:29,856
but even to my knowledge, That each side of Prospect

1013
01:15:29,856 --> 01:15:37,303
Point Road is almost. Fully. Covered by housing, and so.

1014
01:15:38,724 --> 01:15:41,484
There's a daycare facility that used to be a scout

1015
01:15:41,484 --> 01:15:44,964
hall that's there. I get that that could possibly be

1016
01:15:44,964 --> 01:15:50,894
intensified. But there isn't much else along there. Do you

1017
01:15:50,894 --> 01:15:54,054
know specifically why that would have been included? I do

1018
01:15:54,054 --> 01:15:58,255
understand that. I believe it's again. I may have to

1019
01:15:58,255 --> 01:16:02,736
call on Mr. Harri there. Support this response, but Prospect

1020
01:16:02,736 --> 01:16:07,816
Point Road is contemplated for improvement. Yeah, that's correct. Through

1021
01:16:07,816 --> 01:16:11,056
future improvement capital works projects, I believe over the next

1022
01:16:11,056 --> 01:16:15,305
several years, if I'm not mistaken. So sometime out. But

1023
01:16:15,305 --> 01:16:18,945
that word is contemplated for upgrade improvements over the longer

1024
01:16:18,945 --> 01:16:22,225
term, and there are also active development applications, as I

1025
01:16:22,225 --> 01:16:24,865
understand it, in the vicinity of those lands east of

1026
01:16:24,865 --> 01:16:28,105
Prospect Point. Road. That's right. Okay, so I'm a little

1027
01:16:28,105 --> 01:16:33,325
nervous about that. Thank you for your answer, but you're

1028
01:16:33,325 --> 01:16:36,876
making me nervous. Didn't do a very good job answering

1029
01:16:36,876 --> 01:16:40,437
your question. You did a good job. It just didn't

1030
01:16:40,437 --> 01:16:49,956
give me the answer that I was looking. For. There's

1031
01:16:49,956 --> 01:16:53,625
a growth area. I think it's g 36, which is

1032
01:16:53,625 --> 01:16:59,204
at 42 39 Erie Road, correct? What's the deal with

1033
01:16:59,204 --> 01:17:06,378
that? Yes, three. Indenture. There was one specific landowner. And

1034
01:17:06,378 --> 01:17:10,338
through the representative, we had the discussion regarding that specific

1035
01:17:10,338 --> 01:17:12,978
property. I believe it's g 36 policy 15 if I'm

1036
01:17:12,978 --> 01:17:17,956
not mistaken. Very specific nuance with regards to that property

1037
01:17:17,956 --> 01:17:22,116
whereby there are two existing dwellings on a single lot

1038
01:17:22,116 --> 01:17:26,278
that were merged on title historically. The lending simply has

1039
01:17:26,278 --> 01:17:30,038
an interest in severing the lot. To have those two

1040
01:17:30,038 --> 01:17:35,385
existing dwellings. On. Legally separate parcels of land. That would

1041
01:17:35,385 --> 01:17:39,185
not be permitted as the policy was originally presented to

1042
01:17:39,185 --> 01:17:43,722
you through the statutory public process. And through his consultation

1043
01:17:43,722 --> 01:17:46,162
with the landlord and the representative, we've proposed this policy.

1044
01:17:47,881 --> 01:17:50,681
To enable for that seconds process to occur with the

1045
01:17:50,681 --> 01:17:52,961
sunset class to the end of this year. Being December

1046
01:17:52,961 --> 01:17:57,361
31, 2025. To try to take a more collaborative approach

1047
01:17:57,361 --> 01:18:00,921
to finding a resolution to this specific circumstance. Great. Thank

1048
01:18:00,921 --> 01:18:06,074
you, madam Chair. One other question. I understand that the

1049
01:18:06,074 --> 01:18:11,234
official plan removes the rigamarola boat densities and low density

1050
01:18:11,234 --> 01:18:14,474
high. Density, medium density, what have you. If that's the

1051
01:18:14,474 --> 01:18:17,951
case, what's the purpose of that. I think it's a

1052
01:18:17,951 --> 01:18:21,151
two part response. Firstly, short answer is yes, with the

1053
01:18:21,151 --> 01:18:23,871
exception of the crystal beach secondary plan, which will remain

1054
01:18:23,871 --> 01:18:26,551
in full force in effect, as it's currently adopted by

1055
01:18:26,551 --> 01:18:30,551
council, so those density policies will still continue to apply.

1056
01:18:34,529 --> 01:18:36,409
For the balance of the secondary plan areas and the

1057
01:18:36,409 --> 01:18:38,849
rest of the areas within the town. The new bill

1058
01:18:38,849 --> 01:18:40,929
form policies under c four, and the plan as a

1059
01:18:40,929 --> 01:18:44,856
whole will continue to apply. Policy direction under guard really

1060
01:18:44,856 --> 01:18:51,538
well in place to manage. That density. Consideration and focus

1061
01:18:51,538 --> 01:18:53,338
now on bell floor, which we heard a little bit

1062
01:18:53,338 --> 01:18:55,418
about in terms of the discussion on the previous file

1063
01:18:55,418 --> 01:18:59,578
that was before council, specifically with regards to section eight

1064
01:18:59,578 --> 01:19:03,418
of the official plan, which establishes community design policies and

1065
01:19:03,418 --> 01:19:08,538
expectationists for different types of development. Typologies including infill and

1066
01:19:08,538 --> 01:19:13,041
intensification. So, having regard for the building height, mass and

1067
01:19:13,041 --> 01:19:16,841
scale, as well as complementary belt form to surrounding land

1068
01:19:16,841 --> 01:19:21,319
uses, for example. So in the absence of anything in

1069
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:23,919
the official plan, then we'd be looking at the. Zoning

1070
01:19:23,919 --> 01:19:29,233
requirements. So with regards to specific. For example, some of

1071
01:19:29,233 --> 01:19:31,393
the test rally and some of the tax rallies or

1072
01:19:31,393 --> 01:19:38,889
townhouses. Those specific topologies would presumably. Be defined and permitted

1073
01:19:38,889 --> 01:19:42,489
expressly through the implementing zoning bylaw as well as a

1074
01:19:42,489 --> 01:19:45,529
community planning permit system. If that is a tool that

1075
01:19:45,529 --> 01:19:48,840
council chooses to use. Thank you very much, Mr. Rapolt.

1076
01:19:50,578 --> 01:19:52,658
I just had some comments that I want to make

1077
01:19:52,658 --> 01:19:56,653
with respect to this. You may sit down. So for

1078
01:19:56,653 --> 01:20:00,968
the last little while, We've heard as we've gone through

1079
01:20:00,968 --> 01:20:09,119
a transition of. Planning leadership, planning staff. We've received. Applications.

1080
01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:15,215
We've had to process applications we've been advised. That. Sometimes

1081
01:20:15,215 --> 01:20:19,493
it was the pre consultation process. That bound staff to

1082
01:20:19,493 --> 01:20:23,228
make certain recommendations to us. Then we were told that

1083
01:20:23,228 --> 01:20:26,268
that gets complicated because of the provincial policy statements, which

1084
01:20:26,268 --> 01:20:30,348
have changed because of the Planning act because of the

1085
01:20:30,348 --> 01:20:32,988
regional official plan, which is no longer going to be

1086
01:20:32,988 --> 01:20:37,391
in existence. Because of our official plan, because of our

1087
01:20:37,391 --> 01:20:44,204
zoning bylaw. So. One of the expectations that I would

1088
01:20:44,204 --> 01:20:47,804
have is that this new official plan is going to

1089
01:20:47,804 --> 01:20:52,197
allow us. To provide for the growth that we see

1090
01:20:52,197 --> 01:20:55,157
and that it will be aligned with the vision of

1091
01:20:55,157 --> 01:20:58,813
counsel for the growth of the community. That's important because

1092
01:20:58,813 --> 01:21:02,653
the council is the reflection of the population. We have

1093
01:21:02,653 --> 01:21:06,724
professional staff, which are giving us advice as to. What

1094
01:21:06,724 --> 01:21:09,204
we should be doing or what we should be contemplating.

1095
01:21:09,204 --> 01:21:14,521
And they're the professionals. We're the elected officials. We're the

1096
01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:17,361
ones who are among the populations, so we're the ones

1097
01:21:17,361 --> 01:21:20,841
who have to explain to the population why this is

1098
01:21:20,841 --> 01:21:26,247
happening, and sometimes that's easy, and sometimes it's difficult. But

1099
01:21:26,247 --> 01:21:32,036
nonetheless. That's our responsibility. So first and foremost, I would

1100
01:21:32,036 --> 01:21:35,796
hope that this new official plan will align with our

1101
01:21:35,796 --> 01:21:40,871
vision for the growth of this community. Second. And important,

1102
01:21:40,871 --> 01:21:43,111
but not as significant as that, is that I would

1103
01:21:43,111 --> 01:21:48,297
hope that the references to history. And culture are accurate.

1104
01:21:50,023 --> 01:21:54,408
I'll give one example. The very beginning. Of the draft

1105
01:21:54,408 --> 01:21:58,688
official plan is a reference to how 43 came into

1106
01:21:58,688 --> 01:22:02,248
existence, and it talks about there being a number of

1107
01:22:02,248 --> 01:22:08,124
communities in Ford, Erie and. That's surely correct. And it

1108
01:22:08,124 --> 01:22:11,977
talks about. Just let me go to that page, if

1109
01:22:11,977 --> 01:22:20,596
I can find it. So it says. Footage composed of

1110
01:22:20,596 --> 01:22:23,516
several smaller communities, which each have a distinct identity in

1111
01:22:23,516 --> 01:22:28,554
history, which is true. They include Bridgeburg, Bridgeworth, Thunder Bay,

1112
01:22:28,554 --> 01:22:31,794
Stevensville, Douglas Town and Crystal beach, coming together as one

1113
01:22:31,794 --> 01:22:34,474
community through the amalgamation of Britain Township and the village

1114
01:22:34,474 --> 01:22:39,323
of Crystal beach, with Fortiere in 1970. That's correct. Except

1115
01:22:39,323 --> 01:22:42,603
in 1970, there was no budget. There was Ford Erie,

1116
01:22:42,603 --> 01:22:47,403
and Ferdinary was inclusive of Bridgeburg and Amiguri, which amalgamated

1117
01:22:47,403 --> 01:22:53,962
in 1931. So that needs to be clarified. Also, when

1118
01:22:53,962 --> 01:22:57,522
you're talking about it's more than just bigger township because

1119
01:22:57,522 --> 01:23:01,681
Douglas time. Was in Worby Township, so I think we

1120
01:23:01,681 --> 01:23:03,321
need to make sure that that's accurate. And if you're

1121
01:23:03,321 --> 01:23:07,291
going to start talking about large urban areas, There could

1122
01:23:07,291 --> 01:23:10,091
be a reference to Crescent park because Crescent park in

1123
01:23:10,091 --> 01:23:15,072
1970 probably had as many people as ridgeway. Or crystal

1124
01:23:15,072 --> 01:23:18,112
beach. So I think we need to be somewhat sensitive

1125
01:23:18,112 --> 01:23:22,359
because this is the guiding document. And. This is the

1126
01:23:22,359 --> 01:23:25,159
platform upon which this document is built, so I think

1127
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:29,599
those things need to be historically and culturally accurate, and

1128
01:23:29,599 --> 01:23:31,519
we still have two weeks to get that sorted out

1129
01:23:31,519 --> 01:23:35,413
before this comes. Back to us. But my other concerns

1130
01:23:35,413 --> 01:23:40,151
relate to protection of natural heritage. We would have accurate

1131
01:23:40,151 --> 01:23:42,831
mapping. We need to make sure that we provide for

1132
01:23:42,831 --> 01:23:45,351
wildlife corridors. This is something we've talked about in this

1133
01:23:45,351 --> 01:23:50,642
community for over 20 years, wildlife quarters that provide. For.

1134
01:23:52,478 --> 01:23:57,539
Development of subdivisions where there's still free movement. For land

1135
01:23:57,539 --> 01:24:02,099
wildlife and bird wildlife, and we have to have high

1136
01:24:02,099 --> 01:24:09,376
expectations when we receive. Consultants reports regarding environmental matters. We

1137
01:24:09,376 --> 01:24:12,696
need to make sure that those are well scrutinized. And

1138
01:24:12,696 --> 01:24:16,296
highly accurate so that we can retain what we value

1139
01:24:16,296 --> 01:24:18,778
here. What the people afford to be value about our

1140
01:24:18,778 --> 01:24:21,338
community and what the people who are moving here are

1141
01:24:21,338 --> 01:24:29,172
moving here because they value. Make sure that. We maintain,

1142
01:24:29,172 --> 01:24:32,012
as this official plan is being interpreted in the future,

1143
01:24:32,012 --> 01:24:35,012
that we're maintaining regents to the public consultations that we

1144
01:24:35,012 --> 01:24:37,812
engage in, whether it's a secondary planning or a neighborhood

1145
01:24:37,812 --> 01:24:42,692
plan or a proposal for community improvement program or some

1146
01:24:42,692 --> 01:24:47,655
other planning and growth strategy. That we're working on. We

1147
01:24:47,655 --> 01:24:49,415
need to make sure that we maintain that allegiance and.

1148
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:53,990
It could run right down to the neighborhood parks or

1149
01:24:53,990 --> 01:25:00,892
the climate. Adaptation climate change program. We need to focus

1150
01:25:00,892 --> 01:25:04,412
on, in my view, the lands that we already have

1151
01:25:04,412 --> 01:25:12,204
within our urban area. Boundary, with one exception. And serviced

1152
01:25:12,204 --> 01:25:15,444
because they're there and they're the easiest. And I know

1153
01:25:15,444 --> 01:25:18,484
that we're working on that. We've got the proposal for

1154
01:25:18,484 --> 01:25:21,364
reconsultation so that we can focus on how do we

1155
01:25:21,364 --> 01:25:24,924
move forward to build more housing units. And the best

1156
01:25:24,924 --> 01:25:28,324
way to do that is with land that's already serviced.

1157
01:25:28,324 --> 01:25:32,842
Or easily serviced. I hope that. The official plan covers.

1158
01:25:34,395 --> 01:25:38,994
That. The affordable housing units, I believe, need to be

1159
01:25:38,994 --> 01:25:43,705
a priority, and I hope that. The provisions of this

1160
01:25:43,705 --> 01:25:47,025
official plan will make sure that we've got emphasis on

1161
01:25:47,025 --> 01:25:51,505
that and that small and medium sized single family and

1162
01:25:51,505 --> 01:25:55,819
semi detached homes aren't lost in the shuffle. We're not

1163
01:25:55,819 --> 01:26:00,345
getting a lot of small houses. Nobody's building 1000 or

1164
01:26:00,345 --> 01:26:03,025
1100 square foot homes. We may have some exception. We

1165
01:26:03,025 --> 01:26:05,905
may have a developer who's prepared to do that type

1166
01:26:05,905 --> 01:26:09,806
of thing. The smaller lots. That's not something that's new

1167
01:26:09,806 --> 01:26:12,446
in town. If you go throughout this community, you will

1168
01:26:12,446 --> 01:26:17,122
see areas where. At various periods of time. Smaller lots

1169
01:26:17,122 --> 01:26:19,962
were what houses were built on. Just go to the

1170
01:26:19,962 --> 01:26:22,282
west. End of Fort area, what we used to call

1171
01:26:22,282 --> 01:26:27,362
the west end, with the wartime houses, small lots. Small

1172
01:26:27,362 --> 01:26:29,842
houses, but a great opportunity for people to get into

1173
01:26:29,842 --> 01:26:32,322
the housing market. So we need to encourage that, and

1174
01:26:32,322 --> 01:26:37,365
we need to emphasize that. The other thing that's extremely

1175
01:26:37,365 --> 01:26:41,805
important to me is whatever the vulnerabilities were. That existed

1176
01:26:41,805 --> 01:26:47,936
in our previous official plan and made. Us susceptible to

1177
01:26:47,936 --> 01:26:51,176
doing things that we didn't really want to do and

1178
01:26:51,176 --> 01:26:54,101
didn't. Really fulfill our vision. We need to make sure

1179
01:26:54,101 --> 01:26:57,621
that the vulnerabilities are removed so that this official plan

1180
01:26:57,621 --> 01:27:01,822
is. As solid and is as tight to our vision

1181
01:27:01,822 --> 01:27:08,768
for growth as possible. And then finally. My expectation is

1182
01:27:08,768 --> 01:27:13,679
that when this is done, We will be able to

1183
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:17,879
ask developers and, in fact, insist that they build what

1184
01:27:17,879 --> 01:27:22,673
we need and what we want. Not what they want

1185
01:27:22,673 --> 01:27:27,478
because. That doesn't help us. And it does provide. I

1186
01:27:27,478 --> 01:27:31,524
think we've got a good balance here. I'm very optimistic

1187
01:27:31,524 --> 01:27:35,324
and pleased about the planning staff. I think our director

1188
01:27:35,324 --> 01:27:38,124
of planning is top notch. I think that she's got

1189
01:27:38,124 --> 01:27:42,451
a wonderful team working with her. I like all the

1190
01:27:42,451 --> 01:27:48,625
planners. I think they do an excellent job. They're tuned

1191
01:27:48,625 --> 01:27:51,004
in. And I know that it's hard for them to

1192
01:27:51,004 --> 01:27:53,684
follow necessarily what it is that we want. They have

1193
01:27:53,684 --> 01:27:56,244
to get into our heads, which is, believe me, scary

1194
01:27:56,244 --> 01:27:58,764
to begin with. I'm. In my head and I find

1195
01:27:58,764 --> 01:28:03,966
that scary. But these are expectations. This is our community.

1196
01:28:03,966 --> 01:28:06,366
This is what the people of 40 are expecting, that

1197
01:28:06,366 --> 01:28:08,766
we're going to be, as I like to say now,

1198
01:28:08,766 --> 01:28:11,926
paying attention. We're paying attention to what's going down because.

1199
01:28:13,476 --> 01:28:15,676
When the board is done, when the developer is done

1200
01:28:15,676 --> 01:28:18,796
with a project, they're gone. Unless. They're one of the

1201
01:28:18,796 --> 01:28:20,556
ones who have stayed in town, and we've got some

1202
01:28:20,556 --> 01:28:24,396
excellent developers and builders, but some of them come in

1203
01:28:24,396 --> 01:28:28,549
here. They're trying to make as much money as they

1204
01:28:28,549 --> 01:28:30,869
possibly can, and I want to make sure that we're

1205
01:28:30,869 --> 01:28:34,589
protected from that. So those are my expectations. And if

1206
01:28:34,589 --> 01:28:38,389
there's anything that I've said this evening that staff is

1207
01:28:38,389 --> 01:28:42,218
concerned about, that we don't. Have it covered. You've got

1208
01:28:42,218 --> 01:28:45,443
two weeks to get it covered. Because when I vote

1209
01:28:45,443 --> 01:28:48,563
to pass this official plan into bylaw, I want to

1210
01:28:48,563 --> 01:28:51,883
make sure that my concerns have been addressed, and I'm

1211
01:28:51,883 --> 01:28:54,483
confident that all of us feel the same way. Thank

1212
01:28:54,483 --> 01:29:02,571
you, madam chair. Ms. Delaria, did you capture that? Okay.

1213
01:29:04,328 --> 01:29:08,755
I think you can probably multiply that by seven. Are

1214
01:29:08,755 --> 01:29:14,065
there? Any other counselors who want to ask questions or

1215
01:29:14,065 --> 01:29:23,421
make comments. Okay? Councilor juvenile, are

1216
01:29:23,421 --> 01:29:27,388
you okay? If no one else wanted to speak first.

1217
01:29:28,721 --> 01:29:33,971
Just one quick comment. The Maricette. With reference to the

1218
01:29:33,971 --> 01:29:35,851
great thing about having this new official plan in place

1219
01:29:35,851 --> 01:29:37,611
is going to be defensible. No one can make the

1220
01:29:37,611 --> 01:29:40,571
excuse that this was put into place so many years.

1221
01:29:40,571 --> 01:29:44,571
Ago, before the population growth had changed or the provincial

1222
01:29:44,571 --> 01:29:47,411
policy or planning statement had changed that's. The most exciting

1223
01:29:47,411 --> 01:29:50,011
thing about this is that we finally have something to

1224
01:29:50,011 --> 01:29:52,251
stand behind and say, we just passed this. We just

1225
01:29:52,251 --> 01:29:56,436
did consult. Consultation. We have something to defend, and I

1226
01:29:56,436 --> 01:30:00,244
think the mayor. Is very on point when he says,

1227
01:30:00,244 --> 01:30:03,204
now we can't refer back to something that was existence

1228
01:30:03,204 --> 01:30:05,524
15 years ago and they could say it was different

1229
01:30:05,524 --> 01:30:09,877
and it's changed. This is defensible, and that's why. It's

1230
01:30:09,877 --> 01:30:12,664
privileged to be here. Knowing that this is going to

1231
01:30:12,664 --> 01:30:15,561
guide the community. But I would like to move an

1232
01:30:15,561 --> 01:30:18,721
amendment. More kind of a reference to the one exception.

1233
01:30:20,290 --> 01:30:23,534
And I'll move it forward now. Whereas it is the

1234
01:30:23,534 --> 01:30:25,974
intention of counsel to refrain from adding any lands for

1235
01:30:25,974 --> 01:30:30,774
residential development into the urban area boundary, or UaB, through

1236
01:30:30,774 --> 01:30:34,094
the adoption of the town of Ford area official plan

1237
01:30:34,094 --> 01:30:36,894
and whereas there is one parcel of land identified as

1238
01:30:36,894 --> 01:30:41,934
1589 Nigh road adjacent to the existing UAb south of

1239
01:30:41,934 --> 01:30:45,116
Nairo. Nairoad between Buffalo Road and Rose Hill Road, for

1240
01:30:45,116 --> 01:30:48,156
which a plan of subdivision has been approved for rural

1241
01:30:48,156 --> 01:30:52,796
residential lots without sanitary sewer service. And whereas development on

1242
01:30:52,796 --> 01:30:56,396
these lands can be intensified and fully serviced and shall

1243
01:30:56,396 --> 01:30:59,316
be developed in coordination in collaboration with the lands to

1244
01:30:59,316 --> 01:31:02,436
the east at front on Buffalo Road. Now, therefore, be.

1245
01:31:03,190 --> 01:31:07,030
It resolved that the lands identified as 1589 Nigh road

1246
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:10,230
shall be added to the urban area boundary of the

1247
01:31:10,230 --> 01:31:13,830
new town of Ford area official plan. As designated growth

1248
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:17,390
area, provided that the land shall be developed in coordination

1249
01:31:17,390 --> 01:31:19,950
in collaboration with the lands to the east that front

1250
01:31:19,950 --> 01:31:25,270
on Buffalo Road and are identified as 059849 road and

1251
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:29,270
that both parcels will undergo a secondary plan process prior

1252
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:34,897
to development. Do I have a seconder, Councilor Lewis. Okay.

1253
01:31:37,526 --> 01:31:41,486
So the amendment is on the floor for any further

1254
01:31:41,486 --> 01:31:49,795
discussion or questions. There being no questions.

1255
01:31:54,468 --> 01:31:59,434
I will call the motion. All those in favor? Opposed.

1256
01:32:01,580 --> 01:32:06,149
That amendment to the motion carries. Thank you. Are there?

1257
01:32:08,504 --> 01:32:11,064
Any other comments with respect to the report, as amended?

1258
01:32:13,096 --> 01:32:18,009
Well. I just want to say very quickly, whether it's

1259
01:32:18,009 --> 01:32:21,571
allowed or not again, Very much. This has been a

1260
01:32:21,571 --> 01:32:25,850
privilege. And to come in at the tail end of

1261
01:32:25,850 --> 01:32:32,097
it for much of it. And. It does speak to

1262
01:32:32,097 --> 01:32:38,631
staff and the capacity of staff that. They have attempted

1263
01:32:38,631 --> 01:32:44,145
to fully reflect. Council's direction and vision and to put

1264
01:32:44,145 --> 01:32:48,105
themselves into our heads, which, as mayor said yes. Can

1265
01:32:48,105 --> 01:32:53,525
be somewhat scary at times, particularly mine. So, that being

1266
01:32:53,525 --> 01:33:00,159
said, I will call the motion as amended. All those

1267
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,626
in favor? And I'm going to put my hand up.

1268
01:33:05,227 --> 01:33:08,907
Opposed. That is carried. Congratulations.

1269
01:33:15,914 --> 01:33:21,103
I'm just excited about this. It's sort of nerd. Is

1270
01:33:21,103 --> 01:33:27,223
pBbS 59 2025. The tree Planting initiative.

1271
01:33:32,670 --> 01:33:40,202
Pardon? Councilor Dubano. Sorry, Councilor mcdermott. Sorry about that. I

1272
01:33:40,202 --> 01:33:46,322
get over excited sometimes, councillor. McDermott moves. So that report.

1273
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,566
Is on the floor for discussion and questions. Councilor noise.

1274
01:33:54,743 --> 01:33:59,413
Thank you, Council Christensen. First. I do want to appreciate

1275
01:33:59,413 --> 01:34:05,025
that staff. Have started this tree planting program and stuff.

1276
01:34:06,315 --> 01:34:13,314
But the problem didn't start in 2008. And. I'm not

1277
01:34:13,314 --> 01:34:16,613
sure. What the plan is for the monies that were

1278
01:34:16,613 --> 01:34:25,005
collected before 2008. There was in 2009. 2009, there was

1279
01:34:25,005 --> 01:34:32,520
$119,000. In the tree bank. And I'm sure we did

1280
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:39,479
not get $119,000. In consent applications in 2008, so I'm

1281
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:45,150
not sure how we're going to do that. Because there's

1282
01:34:45,150 --> 01:34:47,682
a lot of trees. A lot of payments that were

1283
01:34:47,682 --> 01:34:51,362
received. I can tell you from my perspective, I know

1284
01:34:51,362 --> 01:34:58,144
I paid $375 in 2007. When. I did a severance,

1285
01:34:58,144 --> 01:35:00,144
and I'm sure I wasn't the only one who did

1286
01:35:00,144 --> 01:35:01,824
a severance. I'm sure that I did not pay the

1287
01:35:01,824 --> 01:35:08,122
$119,000. For the tree. So my one question is. Okay,

1288
01:35:08,122 --> 01:35:12,662
we have work to do. To go before 2008. And

1289
01:35:12,662 --> 01:35:16,982
I understand this. 2008. This is captured the consent. Applications

1290
01:35:16,982 --> 01:35:19,502
and the fees paid from 2008 forward, and I can

1291
01:35:19,502 --> 01:35:22,982
appreciate that. But we still have the problem of the

1292
01:35:22,982 --> 01:35:30,032
$119,000 that was deposited for trees. The other thing, too.

1293
01:35:30,032 --> 01:35:33,072
And I'm going to say this, make this really clear.

1294
01:35:35,763 --> 01:35:40,998
One of my concerns is reimbursement. To the 14 people.

1295
01:35:42,352 --> 01:35:43,912
Actually 13. I'm going to make it 13 at this

1296
01:35:43,912 --> 01:35:47,112
point because I'm taking myself out of the equation. I

1297
01:35:47,112 --> 01:35:50,112
will not accept any reimbursement for planting my tree. So

1298
01:35:50,112 --> 01:35:52,672
I'm taking myself out of that. But I think I'm

1299
01:35:52,672 --> 01:35:54,952
probably the only one who can really argue the point

1300
01:35:54,952 --> 01:35:57,832
for that. So I will not accept any reimbursement. If

1301
01:35:57,832 --> 01:36:03,769
council decides. To help the people plant their trees. So

1302
01:36:03,769 --> 01:36:06,813
my concern is that, okay. We got a price list

1303
01:36:06,813 --> 01:36:10,973
here, and I appreciate that. The prices are $500 and

1304
01:36:10,973 --> 01:36:14,293
up. I can appreciate that, but I don't think the

1305
01:36:14,293 --> 01:36:24,025
trees in 2008 were $500. I'm thinking that. We

1306
01:36:24,025 --> 01:36:27,225
know from our staff. We're told that for the town

1307
01:36:27,225 --> 01:36:30,657
to plant a tree, Or to have a tree planted.

1308
01:36:31,912 --> 01:36:39,928
It's going to be $1,000. So. We have $1,000. For

1309
01:36:39,928 --> 01:36:42,528
a tree to be planted by, and I know it's,

1310
01:36:42,528 --> 01:36:46,667
I guess, Steven's. A lawn service is doing it. So

1311
01:36:46,667 --> 01:36:48,667
when we drop off a tree at Mr. Smith's house,

1312
01:36:50,137 --> 01:36:55,526
For him to plant. I think in all fairness, We

1313
01:36:55,526 --> 01:36:58,726
should help Mr. Smith plant a tree. And I understand

1314
01:36:58,726 --> 01:37:01,566
the liability. I'm not saying that we plant the tree.

1315
01:37:01,566 --> 01:37:03,806
I'm not saying we hire a contractor to plant a

1316
01:37:03,806 --> 01:37:07,566
tree. I'm saying we help Mr. Smith with a reimbursement.

1317
01:37:07,566 --> 01:37:10,806
So if Mr. Smith plants a tree and he hires

1318
01:37:10,806 --> 01:37:13,286
somebody to do it, and he gets a bill of

1319
01:37:13,286 --> 01:37:17,354
let's. Say $50 or $100, whatever. That we reimburse Mr.

1320
01:37:17,354 --> 01:37:20,194
Smith for that $100. The other thing is, not only

1321
01:37:20,194 --> 01:37:24,274
should we be providing Mr. Smith with the tree? We

1322
01:37:24,274 --> 01:37:27,954
should also be providing Mr. Smith with some mulch to

1323
01:37:27,954 --> 01:37:29,474
plant the tree, which you need when you plant a

1324
01:37:29,474 --> 01:37:32,754
tree. I think in all fairness, we need to do

1325
01:37:32,754 --> 01:37:39,403
that. This problem has gone on for decades, and I

1326
01:37:39,403 --> 01:37:41,923
really appreciate. We're trying to clean it. Up, but we're

1327
01:37:41,923 --> 01:37:47,005
not there yet. And I'm also concerned that the people

1328
01:37:47,005 --> 01:37:52,613
who, the 14 people. Oh, no. Okay, other responses oh,

1329
01:37:52,613 --> 01:37:54,133
I have it all written down now. Or where did

1330
01:37:54,133 --> 01:37:57,567
I put all my numbers. Of course. Now I can't

1331
01:37:57,567 --> 01:38:02,329
find it. I counted them all too, so I can't

1332
01:38:02,329 --> 01:38:07,159
find where I put them. I think there was. What

1333
01:38:07,159 --> 01:38:12,556
about. 62 or something. People who were contacted that didn't.

1334
01:38:12,556 --> 01:38:17,256
Oh, here it is. Found the numbers. There are 79

1335
01:38:17,256 --> 01:38:23,216
people that the town contracted regard consent. That. No response.

1336
01:38:25,275 --> 01:38:28,795
34. The town is planted on the boulevard that we're

1337
01:38:28,795 --> 01:38:33,047
also doing consent and there's. 14 on this list. That

1338
01:38:33,047 --> 01:38:37,652
are being provided a tree and nothing else. So my

1339
01:38:37,652 --> 01:38:41,012
understand is the only thing we did was send a

1340
01:38:41,012 --> 01:38:45,424
letter to those 79 properties. To say if you wanted

1341
01:38:45,424 --> 01:38:48,584
to let us know. And if you want a tree,

1342
01:38:48,584 --> 01:38:50,344
you can plan. It. You plant it on your property.

1343
01:38:50,344 --> 01:38:56,911
Good luck. Thank you. And we're all for greenery. I

1344
01:38:56,911 --> 01:39:00,510
don't think we tried hard enough. Since it's taken us.

1345
01:39:02,405 --> 01:39:07,085
In this occasion since 2008 to 2025. I think we

1346
01:39:07,085 --> 01:39:11,310
do a little bit better than a letter. To the

1347
01:39:11,310 --> 01:39:15,455
homeowner. To say, let us know. I think we need

1348
01:39:15,455 --> 01:39:18,615
to work a little harder at getting a response than

1349
01:39:18,615 --> 01:39:22,302
just a letter. The other thing, too, is that. Well,

1350
01:39:22,302 --> 01:39:24,262
I did get this letter. Let's say if Mr. Smith

1351
01:39:24,262 --> 01:39:29,758
got this letter, And he doesn't have the means to

1352
01:39:29,758 --> 01:39:39,077
plant it. He's just unluck. Again. Mr. Smith paid for

1353
01:39:39,077 --> 01:39:41,797
this tree. He paid for the tree to be planted.

1354
01:39:43,386 --> 01:39:45,826
So I'm just thinking out of fairness, we should, number

1355
01:39:45,826 --> 01:39:49,666
one, go back to these 79. People and say, okay.

1356
01:39:51,859 --> 01:39:53,659
We're going to ask you one more time or a

1357
01:39:53,659 --> 01:39:57,699
telephone call. We know the addresses. We know who owns

1358
01:39:57,699 --> 01:40:00,699
these properties. Call them up and say, hey, we sent

1359
01:40:00,699 --> 01:40:03,621
you a letter. You haven't responded. You're sure you don't

1360
01:40:03,621 --> 01:40:07,314
want a tree? I mean, it's taken us, what, 20

1361
01:40:07,314 --> 01:40:12,140
years? We can't put a little bit more effort into

1362
01:40:12,140 --> 01:40:15,580
it, so I'm going to wait for others to comment

1363
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:18,060
on this, but I will be asking that we do

1364
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:23,982
look at reimbursing. The. 13 properties who are going to

1365
01:40:23,982 --> 01:40:26,842
be planting a tree on their own property. We can

1366
01:40:26,842 --> 01:40:29,482
set a ceiling on it. And the fact that now

1367
01:40:29,482 --> 01:40:31,642
the trees are costing five hundred. Dollars to six hundred

1368
01:40:31,642 --> 01:40:33,682
dollars. That's not the point. They didn't cost that in

1369
01:40:33,682 --> 01:40:38,556
2008. So that shouldn't be the determining factor. Thank you.

1370
01:40:40,420 --> 01:40:44,220
Other comments, your worship? Yeah. Just to follow up on

1371
01:40:44,220 --> 01:40:49,273
that, do we have some knowledge as to. The history

1372
01:40:49,273 --> 01:40:51,553
of the funds that were being held for these trees.

1373
01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:59,803
If there was $118,000 in 2009. Can we verify that?

1374
01:40:59,803 --> 01:41:05,028
And b, would we? Know how that accumulated prior to

1375
01:41:05,028 --> 01:41:14,099
then. Mr. Warrior. Probably Mr. Janssen or Mr. Jensen. May

1376
01:41:14,099 --> 01:41:18,059
be able to confirm more directly on the records and

1377
01:41:18,059 --> 01:41:24,642
the timing back from that time. That amount was the

1378
01:41:24,642 --> 01:41:27,602
earliest thing that I could find in our systems. It

1379
01:41:27,602 --> 01:41:31,834
doesn't relate. To any report or such. There could have

1380
01:41:31,834 --> 01:41:39,928
been other. Factors where, depending on communication between departments, we

1381
01:41:39,928 --> 01:41:44,558
could have had. Of collections that were being drawn from

1382
01:41:44,558 --> 01:41:48,478
some operating accounts and not drawing down that deferred revenue.

1383
01:41:48,478 --> 01:41:52,219
Not to bore you with accounting terminology, but. We were

1384
01:41:52,219 --> 01:41:55,939
collecting, clearly. For some program before that. In terms of

1385
01:41:55,939 --> 01:42:01,143
what we recognize in accounting as tree collections. But that

1386
01:42:01,143 --> 01:42:03,303
could be part of the offset. Of course, at this

1387
01:42:03,303 --> 01:42:06,823
point, that time frame does predate some of our records

1388
01:42:06,823 --> 01:42:09,463
retention and so on. So I don't have a lot

1389
01:42:09,463 --> 01:42:14,219
of information to go by. Madam chair. I'm just wondering.

1390
01:42:14,219 --> 01:42:21,234
There would have been a policy. That. Required. A person

1391
01:42:21,234 --> 01:42:24,657
getting a severance to pay money. There might have been

1392
01:42:24,657 --> 01:42:27,457
other policies with respect to other things, so that there

1393
01:42:27,457 --> 01:42:29,777
should be some record. That we would have of how

1394
01:42:29,777 --> 01:42:33,217
this money, first of all, was required to be paid

1395
01:42:33,217 --> 01:42:35,897
and then maybe we can figure out how much there

1396
01:42:35,897 --> 01:42:40,783
was. We now know that there's 190,000. And that's got

1397
01:42:40,783 --> 01:42:45,395
to be expended. I tend to disagree with. Councilor noise

1398
01:42:45,395 --> 01:42:49,861
about. Sending a letter and then saying, hoham, we don't

1399
01:42:49,861 --> 01:42:52,621
know if the letters were received. We just don't know

1400
01:42:52,621 --> 01:42:56,552
that. So I agree that we could take a second

1401
01:42:56,552 --> 01:43:00,651
run at some of. These letters that were sent out

1402
01:43:00,651 --> 01:43:05,462
and asking for a response. And see whether that generates

1403
01:43:05,462 --> 01:43:13,176
anything. I'm a little. Curious about. What the refund would

1404
01:43:13,176 --> 01:43:21,029
be. On. A $500 payment. I understand what Councilor Manz

1405
01:43:21,029 --> 01:43:23,549
is saying. That if the tree had been planted in

1406
01:43:23,549 --> 01:43:28,393
2000. And nine or ten or whenever. It wouldn't have

1407
01:43:28,393 --> 01:43:34,460
cost $500. Understand that, but how do we calculate? What

1408
01:43:34,460 --> 01:43:36,420
wouldn't be a refund. But how do we calculate how

1409
01:43:36,420 --> 01:43:41,829
much we should compensate? The property owner, and perhaps she

1410
01:43:41,829 --> 01:43:44,989
can clarify that, and then we can decide whether we

1411
01:43:44,989 --> 01:43:47,949
want to do that. This is an information report, and

1412
01:43:47,949 --> 01:43:50,931
so. What we're going to be doing is seeking additional

1413
01:43:50,931 --> 01:43:56,378
information from staff. Thank you, council annoys. Thank you for

1414
01:43:56,378 --> 01:43:59,418
that. And I know it's about as clear as mud.

1415
01:43:59,418 --> 01:44:01,258
The way I'm looking at it is that we hear

1416
01:44:01,258 --> 01:44:04,458
from staff. It's. Going to cost us $1,000 if we

1417
01:44:04,458 --> 01:44:09,342
hire a contracted planetary. That's what we've been told. It's

1418
01:44:09,342 --> 01:44:11,982
$1,000. So when you're looking at the prices you're looking

1419
01:44:11,982 --> 01:44:18,335
at anywhere from. 489 to 602. That includes delivery charge

1420
01:44:18,335 --> 01:44:21,215
in HST. So you have a window there. You have

1421
01:44:21,215 --> 01:44:23,895
some money between, let's say, for the sake of argument,

1422
01:44:23,895 --> 01:44:27,495
650 to 1000. You have a window there. And I'm

1423
01:44:27,495 --> 01:44:31,931
not saying you give people 300. Dollars or whatever, however

1424
01:44:31,931 --> 01:44:35,451
that works. But I'm saying because I know who's going.

1425
01:44:35,451 --> 01:44:38,691
To plant my tree, and I had two estimates. One

1426
01:44:38,691 --> 01:44:42,531
was $100 and one was $30. So we're not talking

1427
01:44:42,531 --> 01:44:47,159
about. And one was a landscaper and the other one

1428
01:44:47,159 --> 01:44:49,319
used to be a landscaper, I guess. You could pick

1429
01:44:49,319 --> 01:44:52,963
out which one is which. So we're not looking at

1430
01:44:52,963 --> 01:44:56,203
the. I don't think the individuals would be looking at

1431
01:44:56,203 --> 01:44:57,723
a huge amount, and we can set a ceiling on

1432
01:44:57,723 --> 01:45:01,527
it. We can say, okay. $100 and you have to

1433
01:45:01,527 --> 01:45:04,487
100. We'll reimburse for someone to plant a tree up

1434
01:45:04,487 --> 01:45:08,937
to $100 with a receipt. It's not like brother Johnny

1435
01:45:08,937 --> 01:45:12,982
or my grandson's going to plan it. Have a receipt

1436
01:45:12,982 --> 01:45:20,167
that it be planted. You, worship, okay? If somebody's paid

1437
01:45:20,167 --> 01:45:23,727
$1,000 and they're being told that the town can't plant

1438
01:45:23,727 --> 01:45:27,247
the tree. That $1,000 included the cost of the tree.

1439
01:45:27,247 --> 01:45:29,567
The cost of living in the tree, the cost of

1440
01:45:29,567 --> 01:45:32,287
planting the tree, and the cost of watering and maintaining

1441
01:45:32,287 --> 01:45:35,207
the tree, so I don't have a problem if it's

1442
01:45:35,207 --> 01:45:41,058
$500 for the replacement. Tree, including the delivery. I have

1443
01:45:41,058 --> 01:45:45,058
a problem in refunding the excess up to whatever the

1444
01:45:45,058 --> 01:45:48,218
person paid. If it was $1,000 and it's a $500

1445
01:45:48,218 --> 01:45:50,778
cost, they should get the $500 back because they're going

1446
01:45:50,778 --> 01:45:54,258
to be the ones who are responsible. They're planting it

1447
01:45:54,258 --> 01:45:56,178
and they're the ones who are maintaining it, so I

1448
01:45:56,178 --> 01:45:59,620
don't have a problem with that. The $500. To me.

1449
01:46:01,306 --> 01:46:06,146
I'm not supportive of giving people money at this stage

1450
01:46:06,146 --> 01:46:11,514
of the game. Where we are. If that's counter noises

1451
01:46:11,514 --> 01:46:14,154
direction, I won't support that. But I would support a

1452
01:46:14,154 --> 01:46:18,154
refund of any excess money for anybody, no matter how

1453
01:46:18,154 --> 01:46:20,554
much they paid. If they paid 500. And they're giving

1454
01:46:20,554 --> 01:46:22,714
a little treatment. It's only worth 200. They should get

1455
01:46:22,714 --> 01:46:28,342
a refund. That's my view. Councilor noise. Okay, now I'm

1456
01:46:28,342 --> 01:46:33,392
somewhat confused. Because these are the trees that the town

1457
01:46:33,392 --> 01:46:37,312
is delivering. Okay, so the town has purchased a tree.

1458
01:46:37,312 --> 01:46:40,152
They purchased the red maple. They delivered it to Mr.

1459
01:46:40,152 --> 01:46:43,512
Smith's house. Now, Mr. Smith has to plant that red

1460
01:46:43,512 --> 01:46:48,446
maple. I'm saying. The cost is incurred to Mr. Smith

1461
01:46:48,446 --> 01:46:50,886
to plant it. So it's just the cost to plant

1462
01:46:50,886 --> 01:46:53,406
the tree. Not to purchase the tree, but to plant

1463
01:46:53,406 --> 01:46:55,846
the tree that I'm looking. That Mr. Smith should be

1464
01:46:55,846 --> 01:47:00,486
reimbursed up to a certain ceiling. Now, I will say

1465
01:47:00,486 --> 01:47:04,154
that all these trees. Regardless of whether the town plants

1466
01:47:04,154 --> 01:47:08,364
them or not. Usually have a two year guarantee if

1467
01:47:08,364 --> 01:47:12,742
we're paying full price. It's a two year guarantee. I've

1468
01:47:12,742 --> 01:47:14,702
bought enough trees, and I know enough trees over the

1469
01:47:14,702 --> 01:47:17,582
years that usually you have. A two year as long

1470
01:47:17,582 --> 01:47:19,542
as you don't buy it on sale and as long

1471
01:47:19,542 --> 01:47:22,142
as it's not a damaged tree. Usually it's reimbursed for

1472
01:47:22,142 --> 01:47:26,713
$200. For two years. Council annoys. I think you're basically

1473
01:47:26,713 --> 01:47:29,593
saying the same thing as the mayor. Did I thought

1474
01:47:29,593 --> 01:47:33,734
he was talking about buying a tree. No. The trees.

1475
01:47:38,181 --> 01:47:44,627
There's a reimbursement. Of the funding because there is. The

1476
01:47:44,627 --> 01:47:49,794
installation. And then watering and mulching and everything else, but

1477
01:47:49,794 --> 01:47:55,355
the tree is, say, $200 and. Anything above that. So

1478
01:47:55,355 --> 01:47:58,515
they can go away and get their own contractor using

1479
01:47:58,515 --> 01:48:02,431
their refund. Is that. Am I. Correct. Yeah, but I

1480
01:48:02,431 --> 01:48:04,871
think the difference is that there won't be a refund

1481
01:48:04,871 --> 01:48:08,631
except for the one property for the $500 deposits. But

1482
01:48:08,631 --> 01:48:10,471
there are many people that have paid 1000 that are

1483
01:48:10,471 --> 01:48:14,175
in this list and they would get a refund. Okay,

1484
01:48:14,175 --> 01:48:16,135
so if I'm understanding you, for those people who have

1485
01:48:16,135 --> 01:48:22,467
been waiting, For 15 years to get their tree and

1486
01:48:22,467 --> 01:48:26,827
then only paid $500. They get nothing. The fact that

1487
01:48:26,827 --> 01:48:29,827
they waited 15 years and that the town has taken

1488
01:48:29,827 --> 01:48:34,027
their money and invested it and got credit for it,

1489
01:48:34,027 --> 01:48:38,273
then they don't get it. That's not your position. That's

1490
01:48:38,273 --> 01:48:41,513
my position. Okay. I think that terribly unfair we'll put

1491
01:48:41,513 --> 01:48:44,675
it on the floor. I'm wondering if other councilors have

1492
01:48:44,675 --> 01:48:53,032
any comments. Okay, so I'm going to. Put as an

1493
01:48:53,032 --> 01:48:58,235
amendment. I guess at this point. Yeah. This is an

1494
01:48:58,235 --> 01:49:04,362
information report. Okay when I amnd the report. To include

1495
01:49:04,362 --> 01:49:11,668
reimbursement. For those people who. Are. Where the town is

1496
01:49:11,668 --> 01:49:16,863
providing the tree but not providing the planting. That those

1497
01:49:16,863 --> 01:49:22,409
individuals be reimbursed up to $100. To plant the tree

1498
01:49:22,409 --> 01:49:27,277
upon receipt of money expended. If I could understand it,

1499
01:49:27,277 --> 01:49:37,128
I could vote on it. Okay? So.

1500
01:49:39,394 --> 01:49:42,834
The problem is this. There is no reimbursement if the

1501
01:49:42,834 --> 01:49:46,446
money that was paid. Is less than the cost of

1502
01:49:46,446 --> 01:49:50,726
the tree. There is no reimbursement number one. Number two

1503
01:49:50,726 --> 01:49:54,766
if I paid far more than $100 or whatever the

1504
01:49:54,766 --> 01:49:58,413
number is. I should get the full refund for any

1505
01:49:58,413 --> 01:50:00,773
monies that I've paid in excess. Of the cost of

1506
01:50:00,773 --> 01:50:07,395
that tree, so. I won't support. The amendment because. I

1507
01:50:07,395 --> 01:50:11,395
think people should be completely reimbursed. Reimbursed, that is, money

1508
01:50:11,395 --> 01:50:13,435
comes back to them that they've paid out. If there

1509
01:50:13,435 --> 01:50:20,061
is no money to be reimbursed there's no reimbursement. Councilor

1510
01:50:20,061 --> 01:50:29,787
dubano. Okay. Yes, councilor noise. Okay, I think the definition

1511
01:50:29,787 --> 01:50:35,345
of reimbursement. Has to be my definition of reimbursement is

1512
01:50:35,345 --> 01:50:39,065
that money that you've expended. I think the mayor's reimbursement

1513
01:50:39,065 --> 01:50:42,772
is what money you've paid the town. I'm asking for

1514
01:50:42,772 --> 01:50:45,492
reimbursement for the planning of the tree, not for the.

1515
01:50:45,492 --> 01:50:51,934
Reimbursement of the tree. So again. It doesn't make.

1516
01:50:56,404 --> 01:51:00,464
I'm thinking that. So this is an information report. Perhaps

1517
01:51:00,464 --> 01:51:04,791
what we should do is give direction to staff. To

1518
01:51:04,791 --> 01:51:10,337
actually. Take a look at. What? The option of addressing

1519
01:51:10,337 --> 01:51:18,679
the problem where people. Have paid whatever amount. And. What

1520
01:51:18,679 --> 01:51:23,204
the current cost of. Installing or purchasing a tree would

1521
01:51:23,204 --> 01:51:29,433
be. And then what the. If they're going to put

1522
01:51:29,433 --> 01:51:33,169
it. If the situation is that it's going on their

1523
01:51:33,169 --> 01:51:36,691
property. We can't do it because of liability issues that.

1524
01:51:38,594 --> 01:51:42,554
They get reimbursed the amount they've already paid to use

1525
01:51:42,554 --> 01:51:46,516
against. Their installation of the tree and maintenance of the

1526
01:51:46,516 --> 01:51:54,534
tree. Is that what you're speaking about, your worship? Well,

1527
01:51:54,534 --> 01:51:57,694
I like your idea. I think it makes sense. Then

1528
01:51:57,694 --> 01:51:59,894
we can get some clarity. The staff. Has been sitting

1529
01:51:59,894 --> 01:52:03,974
here. They've heard councilor noise, they've heard me. So I

1530
01:52:03,974 --> 01:52:06,614
think we could give them some direction to provide us

1531
01:52:06,614 --> 01:52:09,374
with some recommendations as to how we would deal with

1532
01:52:09,374 --> 01:52:13,403
this, and then when it comes back, If any of

1533
01:52:13,403 --> 01:52:15,803
us don't agree with the recommendations, we can move at

1534
01:52:15,803 --> 01:52:19,314
that point to be an amendment, so that would. Require

1535
01:52:19,314 --> 01:52:22,434
councilor Noyz to agree to withdraw at this point in

1536
01:52:22,434 --> 01:52:25,794
time or have someone move to defer it until staff

1537
01:52:25,794 --> 01:52:30,159
can come back with some recommendations. Yeah. I'll withdraw it

1538
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:35,811
at this point. All right, then. I would add. The

1539
01:52:35,811 --> 01:52:38,011
issue that you raised that sort of got lost as

1540
01:52:38,011 --> 01:52:43,182
well was the re notification. Again. There may be either

1541
01:52:43,182 --> 01:52:47,275
a phone call. And I don't know whether I would

1542
01:52:47,275 --> 01:52:51,595
have to defer to staff about whether this is permissible,

1543
01:52:51,595 --> 01:52:55,075
but having a notice on our website and in the

1544
01:52:55,075 --> 01:53:00,422
Fort Erie observer that says we're doing this. For outstanding

1545
01:53:00,422 --> 01:53:05,524
properties. We're actually wanting to provide trees to those who

1546
01:53:05,524 --> 01:53:10,942
in the past. Paid for. And. You can get a

1547
01:53:10,942 --> 01:53:15,222
list of addresses. I don't know whether that's permissible. Under

1548
01:53:15,222 --> 01:53:23,239
FIPA, but whatever. MFPA. Yes. Counselor. Just one question. Was

1549
01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:27,519
the notice sent to the home or the homeowner? If

1550
01:53:27,519 --> 01:53:30,239
I receive in the mail. Something that was sent to

1551
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:33,869
the homeowner from ten years ago. It's going in the

1552
01:53:33,869 --> 01:53:37,579
recycle pretty quick. So that may be one of our

1553
01:53:37,579 --> 01:53:40,179
issues as well, that it's going to Mrs. Smith. At

1554
01:53:40,179 --> 01:53:43,019
this address rather than the current homeowner who may still

1555
01:53:43,019 --> 01:53:48,959
be entitled to that tree. Thank you. Yes. Council annoys.

1556
01:53:48,959 --> 01:53:51,239
I think that we do need to reach out again.

1557
01:53:54,875 --> 01:53:57,195
I know you can't put down people's addresses, but I

1558
01:53:57,195 --> 01:53:59,853
do think we have to reach out. We do know

1559
01:53:59,853 --> 01:54:03,493
who's living at that address. So the consent application, I

1560
01:54:03,493 --> 01:54:06,653
understand, is geared to a property. It's not necessarily geared

1561
01:54:06,653 --> 01:54:08,413
to an individual. And the mayor can correct me. If

1562
01:54:08,413 --> 01:54:10,533
I'm wrong on that. So we know who's living at.

1563
01:54:12,946 --> 01:54:17,876
Whatever. Avenue. So we can contact him. And I'm sure

1564
01:54:17,876 --> 01:54:20,716
that because of the time that has passed, they may

1565
01:54:20,716 --> 01:54:24,076
say. Oh, thank you. I didn't know. They may have

1566
01:54:24,076 --> 01:54:27,842
no idea what that letter actually means. I know that

1567
01:54:27,842 --> 01:54:32,096
I was sent a letter and it had nothing. Somebody

1568
01:54:32,096 --> 01:54:34,496
else owns the property. But I was sent the letter.

1569
01:54:36,372 --> 01:54:39,532
But anyway, I can clarify that. I'm going to talk

1570
01:54:39,532 --> 01:54:43,490
to them. I agree that they're going to be looking

1571
01:54:43,490 --> 01:54:45,010
into it more, but the other thing. What? Are we

1572
01:54:45,010 --> 01:54:50,519
going to do about the before 2008? The money that

1573
01:54:50,519 --> 01:54:55,791
was accepted and promised. A tree was promised to be

1574
01:54:55,791 --> 01:55:00,161
planted, et cetera, before 2008. What I would like to

1575
01:55:00,161 --> 01:55:03,121
know with the plan to capture that is going to

1576
01:55:03,121 --> 01:55:08,898
be. So we can hopefully accept the information report, but

1577
01:55:08,898 --> 01:55:13,791
give direction to staff. To provide some information with respect

1578
01:55:13,791 --> 01:55:21,991
to that, always assuming that. There are records available. That

1579
01:55:21,991 --> 01:55:27,380
would make it. A clearly accountable allocation of any funds,

1580
01:55:27,380 --> 01:55:32,542
because I think that would be the piece. If the

1581
01:55:32,542 --> 01:55:38,396
records. Have been. If there are no records remaining beyond

1582
01:55:38,396 --> 01:55:42,897
a certain point. That may be difficult, but staff. We

1583
01:55:42,897 --> 01:55:46,097
ask that staff do the best they can to provide

1584
01:55:46,097 --> 01:55:50,999
us. With information and a plan. Something totally on this

1585
01:55:50,999 --> 01:55:53,559
topic, but nothing that we discussed already. I think part

1586
01:55:53,559 --> 01:55:56,319
of the problem I don't think anybody purposely took the

1587
01:55:56,319 --> 01:55:59,719
money, put it in a tree bank? I don't. Think

1588
01:55:59,719 --> 01:56:02,199
anybody did that on purpose and then forget about it.

1589
01:56:02,199 --> 01:56:03,759
Oh, goody. We're not going to provide the tree. But

1590
01:56:03,759 --> 01:56:07,119
look at all we have. $119,000 isn't? That wonderful? I

1591
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:11,385
think the problem was with the process. That when you

1592
01:56:11,385 --> 01:56:15,225
created a lot when you do it, a consent application

1593
01:56:15,225 --> 01:56:19,662
or. When you severed a piece of property, that's when

1594
01:56:19,662 --> 01:56:25,717
the payment was received. And usually, I would think most

1595
01:56:25,717 --> 01:56:28,837
people may not be wanting to plant the tree at

1596
01:56:28,837 --> 01:56:32,509
that point. They understand they have to pay for it.

1597
01:56:32,509 --> 01:56:34,309
But they may not want to plant the tree at

1598
01:56:34,309 --> 01:56:39,624
that point. Because. The house is going to go. They

1599
01:56:39,624 --> 01:56:41,504
don't know what the landscaping is going to go. So.

1600
01:56:43,308 --> 01:56:44,308
They don't know. Again, this tree is supposed to be

1601
01:56:44,308 --> 01:56:46,948
on the boulevard anyway, and I. Don't think the town

1602
01:56:46,948 --> 01:56:48,468
wants to plant a tree in the boulevard. It's going

1603
01:56:48,468 --> 01:56:50,868
to be torn down when they put the water and

1604
01:56:50,868 --> 01:56:54,508
sewer in or the basement in. So I'm wondering if

1605
01:56:54,508 --> 01:56:58,533
that process. Could be changed. Not that you don't collect

1606
01:56:58,533 --> 01:57:01,773
the money upon consent, but somehow, because we have these

1607
01:57:01,773 --> 01:57:07,971
wonderful it programs now that somehow. Something upon occupancy that.

1608
01:57:09,740 --> 01:57:12,286
When the house is actually. Somebody's actually moving into the

1609
01:57:12,286 --> 01:57:17,469
house. Knocking on their door? Not really. And saying, okay.

1610
01:57:19,166 --> 01:57:20,966
We're going to plant a tree on the boulevard or

1611
01:57:20,966 --> 01:57:23,366
we can't plant the tree on the boulevard, but you're

1612
01:57:23,366 --> 01:57:29,600
entitled to. A tree. Here you go. But something that

1613
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,720
I know there's going to look at consent applications every

1614
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,320
two years, but. When somebody doesn't want to, it doesn't

1615
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,640
make sense to plant the tree at that time that

1616
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:39,640
there'd be some way that they can circle around and

1617
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,560
get it so. We're not here again in 15 years

1618
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:46,826
saying, well, I pay my fee in 2025, and I

1619
01:57:46,826 --> 01:57:51,358
still don't have a tree. Yeah, and I think improvements

1620
01:57:51,358 --> 01:57:56,085
to all of our systems. Are moving in that direction.

1621
01:57:57,503 --> 01:58:00,383
So I think that would be. But that's something. Where

1622
01:58:00,383 --> 01:58:05,828
again? We can sort of have these key points. You've

1623
01:58:05,828 --> 01:58:07,668
got all the points, director. Yes, Madam Sher. I got

1624
01:58:07,668 --> 01:58:10,668
all the information and. I'll speak with Mr. Jensen about

1625
01:58:10,668 --> 01:58:14,432
the actual money that was collected. It's my guess, and

1626
01:58:14,432 --> 01:58:17,512
I'm just speculating at this point, that that money could

1627
01:58:17,512 --> 01:58:20,112
have been of the subdivisions when we would collect the

1628
01:58:20,112 --> 01:58:23,592
money as part of the subdivision because consent. We have

1629
01:58:23,592 --> 01:58:27,912
done our research. All the backlaws prior to 2008 was

1630
01:58:27,912 --> 01:58:31,944
taken care of. And I'm just saying what the information

1631
01:58:31,944 --> 01:58:35,504
we found, but we can definitely look back into. It.

1632
01:58:36,838 --> 01:58:39,358
And get the information back to council. And if I

1633
01:58:39,358 --> 01:58:41,918
can just one more point. The way the condition is

1634
01:58:41,918 --> 01:58:45,198
worded. It says that it has to be planted within

1635
01:58:45,198 --> 01:58:47,678
the municipal road alliance. If it cannot be. Then it

1636
01:58:47,678 --> 01:58:51,351
will be planted somewhere else in the property. So that's

1637
01:58:51,351 --> 01:58:54,951
the direction in our consent condition. But maybe if council

1638
01:58:54,951 --> 01:58:57,271
wants to give a treat for the private property, then

1639
01:58:57,271 --> 01:59:00,746
we may have to revise a condition as well. If

1640
01:59:00,746 --> 01:59:03,718
I can just respond to that. I have no problem

1641
01:59:03,718 --> 01:59:07,304
with it being a boulevard tree. If the town complaint.

1642
01:59:07,304 --> 01:59:09,224
I have no problem with that. But if you can't

1643
01:59:09,224 --> 01:59:11,944
plant the tree in the boulevard. You plant it someplace

1644
01:59:11,944 --> 01:59:16,402
else in the urban area. I understand all that. But

1645
01:59:16,402 --> 01:59:20,402
I will tell you that I paid $375 in 2007,

1646
01:59:20,402 --> 01:59:24,482
and that wasn't part of a development. And I'm sure

1647
01:59:24,482 --> 01:59:27,823
I'm not the only one who paid. So we are

1648
01:59:27,823 --> 01:59:32,868
missing a number of them. It was a severance. So

1649
01:59:32,868 --> 01:59:37,367
you are missing some. And you got to find them.

1650
01:59:39,332 --> 01:59:46,030
Common question. Okay, yes. So with respect to the information

1651
01:59:46,030 --> 01:59:49,870
report and taking note of the discussion and asking staff

1652
01:59:49,870 --> 01:59:59,274
to come. Back with further information. Can. I get all

1653
01:59:59,274 --> 02:00:04,682
those in favor of the recommendation? Opposed that is carried.

1654
02:00:06,173 --> 02:00:15,024
The final planning report is pBBS 62,025. And this is

1655
02:00:15,024 --> 02:00:22,017
the proposed climate change action plan. Do I have a

1656
02:00:22,017 --> 02:00:28,218
mover, your worship? That report. Is now on the floor

1657
02:00:28,218 --> 02:00:32,180
for discussion and comment. Councilor jubano.

1658
02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:40,910
Yeah. Thank you very much, madam chair. I want to

1659
02:00:40,910 --> 02:00:43,430
thank staff for bringing this forward. I think it's very

1660
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:46,550
important not just from the perspective of climate change, which

1661
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:51,234
obviously is a concern. Of most individuals, but also just

1662
02:00:51,234 --> 02:00:54,834
from the perspective of good stewardship and environmentalism in our

1663
02:00:54,834 --> 02:01:00,416
community. And our natural resources and ensuring. Ensuring that the

1664
02:01:00,416 --> 02:01:02,656
infrastructure we put in place is going to be resilient

1665
02:01:02,656 --> 02:01:05,456
and it's. Going to be last and that we're not

1666
02:01:05,456 --> 02:01:08,016
going to be replacing it constantly. I think these are

1667
02:01:08,016 --> 02:01:13,894
important conversations to have regardless of. Anything else that goes

1668
02:01:13,894 --> 02:01:23,004
on. I did have one comment. And. I'd be in

1669
02:01:23,004 --> 02:01:24,404
this if I didn't bring this up because I have

1670
02:01:24,404 --> 02:01:27,164
a lot of concerns about this in general and where

1671
02:01:27,164 --> 02:01:34,878
it has led. But. The actual action plan mentions. Exploring

1672
02:01:34,878 --> 02:01:37,398
declaring a climate emergency for the town of Ford area

1673
02:01:37,398 --> 02:01:43,797
and. I get the intent to bring awareness to the

1674
02:01:43,797 --> 02:01:49,600
issue, but. I'm very concerned. Well, first of all, I

1675
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:52,040
don't think it belongs in a policy. I think this

1676
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:54,200
is something that needs to be discussed at a council

1677
02:01:54,200 --> 02:01:57,600
level needs to be brought forward during the presentation. Earlier,

1678
02:01:57,600 --> 02:01:59,880
there was discussion that this was a living document. So

1679
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:02,120
if it's a living document. It's something that's intended to

1680
02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:04,360
be changed. This is something that can be put in

1681
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:07,400
there later if council decides. I'm a little concerned that

1682
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,594
it kind of binds. Us to a certain way without

1683
02:02:10,594 --> 02:02:16,413
having a fulsome discussion first. But regardless of that, And

1684
02:02:16,413 --> 02:02:23,197
maybe others feel differently, but. I'm personally concerned about what

1685
02:02:23,197 --> 02:02:27,673
we define as an emergency. And the individuals who, when

1686
02:02:27,673 --> 02:02:32,113
they hear that word. What happens now? I've always been

1687
02:02:32,113 --> 02:02:34,113
of the opinion that if you hear the word emergency,

1688
02:02:36,979 --> 02:02:39,579
Whether you're ducking and covering, whether you're getting in the

1689
02:02:39,579 --> 02:02:42,499
house because the storm is coming. It means something that

1690
02:02:42,499 --> 02:02:44,339
you have to do right away, because if you don't.

1691
02:02:44,339 --> 02:02:47,339
You could get severely hurt or your property could be

1692
02:02:47,339 --> 02:02:51,018
damaged or whatever else. And so when you hear about

1693
02:02:51,018 --> 02:02:55,298
climate emergencies, you hear about homeless emergencies, you hear about

1694
02:02:55,298 --> 02:03:00,676
eclipse emergencies. As well intended as they are. I think

1695
02:03:00,676 --> 02:03:03,956
it misses the mark on what the actual need for

1696
02:03:03,956 --> 02:03:07,679
what that term is. And I'm concerned that when we

1697
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:10,999
do this, when we have an actual life and death,

1698
02:03:10,999 --> 02:03:17,388
situation. Like the Christmas blizzard or the Halloween storm. When

1699
02:03:17,388 --> 02:03:20,548
people are constantly bombarded with everything as an emergency. Everything

1700
02:03:20,548 --> 02:03:23,588
is an emergency. Everything is an emergency when an actual

1701
02:03:23,588 --> 02:03:26,068
emergency comes up, something that could harm you if you

1702
02:03:26,068 --> 02:03:29,533
are caught out on the road when it hits. It

1703
02:03:29,533 --> 02:03:33,510
may lead to individuals tuning it out. And I know

1704
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:35,910
that there are a lot of good people, good, well

1705
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:38,830
intentioned individuals out there. Who care about these issues, who

1706
02:03:38,830 --> 02:03:42,390
want to make them the forefront of the discussion, and

1707
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:48,452
they do. Warrant discussion? Absolutely. But. 650 other municipalities may

1708
02:03:48,452 --> 02:03:51,812
have done it. I disagree with those 650 municipalities because.

1709
02:03:53,773 --> 02:03:56,893
I don't think that that's the appropriate way to go

1710
02:03:56,893 --> 02:04:01,251
to bring awareness to this issue. So I'm not in

1711
02:04:01,251 --> 02:04:03,411
favor of having that in there. If council wants to

1712
02:04:03,411 --> 02:04:05,691
have a debate and a discussion on declaring that emergency.

1713
02:04:05,691 --> 02:04:08,611
That's fine. I think it'll be. A good debate, and

1714
02:04:08,611 --> 02:04:11,863
we'll move forward with whatever that is. But I don't

1715
02:04:11,863 --> 02:04:13,983
think any mention of this should be included in the

1716
02:04:13,983 --> 02:04:16,463
policy until we've had that debate, and we've made a

1717
02:04:16,463 --> 02:04:20,254
decision on whether we want to do this. So I'll

1718
02:04:20,254 --> 02:04:26,148
leave my comments otherwise aside. I may come back after,

1719
02:04:26,148 --> 02:04:28,628
but I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks. Thank

1720
02:04:28,628 --> 02:04:32,552
you. Madam chair. City wants to hear what I think,

1721
02:04:32,552 --> 02:04:37,151
so I'll tell them. I think this is an excellent

1722
02:04:37,151 --> 02:04:38,791
report. I know that a lot of work has been

1723
02:04:38,791 --> 02:04:40,831
put into this, and I want to commend staff for

1724
02:04:40,831 --> 02:04:44,656
all of the reports this evening. When we were talking

1725
02:04:44,656 --> 02:04:47,456
about, I had a conversation earlier today with Ms. De

1726
02:04:47,456 --> 02:04:53,725
Warri and mentioned to her that. Community services should be

1727
02:04:53,725 --> 02:04:56,205
involved in some of these goals because they engage with

1728
02:04:56,205 --> 02:04:59,584
the public. And so there's, I think, something that can

1729
02:04:59,584 --> 02:05:05,817
be added to. The adaptation goals. Part of the report.

1730
02:05:06,433 --> 02:05:09,993
I also gave her some grammar advice with respect to

1731
02:05:09,993 --> 02:05:15,751
this, which I'm sure she'll pass on. I've got a

1732
02:05:15,751 --> 02:05:21,852
couple of concerns. One has to do with. The evs.

1733
02:05:21,852 --> 02:05:24,492
I know. We're doing a pilot project. I've got real

1734
02:05:24,492 --> 02:05:28,864
concerns. About. Electric vehicles right now because we don't have

1735
02:05:28,864 --> 02:05:34,236
the infrastructure in order. To really go whole hog on

1736
02:05:34,236 --> 02:05:37,076
that. The other problem, and I would have thought, and

1737
02:05:37,076 --> 02:05:44,394
it's, fascinat. Fascinated me. That. Governments and large manufacturers have

1738
02:05:44,394 --> 02:05:49,518
committed to evs. Without the infrastructure, and I would have

1739
02:05:49,518 --> 02:05:51,998
thought hybrids would have been something that they would have

1740
02:05:51,998 --> 02:05:55,518
gone. To. While this transition has taken place, particularly since.

1741
02:05:56,744 --> 02:06:00,864
There's so much pushback from the oil and gas industry

1742
02:06:00,864 --> 02:06:03,449
that they're not going to make it easy. If they

1743
02:06:03,449 --> 02:06:06,678
can avoid that. That was just an observation, and I

1744
02:06:06,678 --> 02:06:09,998
think we should be alive to that. And also the

1745
02:06:09,998 --> 02:06:13,638
fact that these technologies are changing. It could be hydrogen

1746
02:06:13,638 --> 02:06:15,398
by the time we get around to that, so. I

1747
02:06:15,398 --> 02:06:18,499
think we need to keep our eye on that. Think

1748
02:06:18,499 --> 02:06:27,072
the pages. On the plan itself should be numbered. To

1749
02:06:27,072 --> 02:06:31,124
get. To. And I think that there's some other things

1750
02:06:31,124 --> 02:06:41,118
for shoreline resiliency. That would include more than. Creation of

1751
02:06:41,118 --> 02:06:48,325
healthy fish habitats. I think. The number of claim. Claims

1752
02:06:48,325 --> 02:06:51,245
for damage as a result of storms would be. It

1753
02:06:51,245 --> 02:06:55,245
would be an example of another KPI but to get

1754
02:06:55,245 --> 02:07:01,887
to what, councilor? Dubano was referencing in terms of. The.

1755
02:07:04,572 --> 02:07:12,826
Climate emergency. It does say. In the table that we

1756
02:07:12,826 --> 02:07:16,946
should explore declaring a climate emergency. The text of the

1757
02:07:16,946 --> 02:07:20,146
report says the town of Fortiri should join this effort.

1758
02:07:21,651 --> 02:07:25,395
And I'm concerned about that because. I'm not quite as

1759
02:07:25,395 --> 02:07:29,510
strident as Councilor Dubanile on this, but. This has gone

1760
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:32,870
through the region, and the region has, I believe the

1761
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:36,390
region has declared a climate emergency. My big issue with

1762
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:41,637
that is that. There's no understanding of what the cost

1763
02:07:41,637 --> 02:07:44,717
would be if we were to declare a climate. Emergency.

1764
02:07:44,717 --> 02:07:47,717
And what does it mean? Is it really an emergency?

1765
02:07:47,717 --> 02:07:50,197
If it's an emergency, then. We should be putting a

1766
02:07:50,197 --> 02:07:53,077
lot of money into that. And the region has no

1767
02:07:53,077 --> 02:07:58,639
idea of what it would cost. They've committed. To some

1768
02:07:58,639 --> 02:08:04,054
level of. Carbon whatever by a certain year with no

1769
02:08:04,054 --> 02:08:08,053
understanding of what that could cost. So I'm concerned about

1770
02:08:08,053 --> 02:08:11,824
that. I'm thinking that it's a little extreme, and so

1771
02:08:11,824 --> 02:08:15,144
I would probably support having that removed from the climate

1772
02:08:15,144 --> 02:08:22,158
action plan. Although I think we need to appreciate the

1773
02:08:22,158 --> 02:08:26,684
seriousness. Of what's happening with our climate and in a

1774
02:08:26,684 --> 02:08:31,004
community like Fortiere, which is on a lake shore at

1775
02:08:31,004 --> 02:08:33,524
the end of a lake, at the east end of

1776
02:08:33,524 --> 02:08:37,333
a lake that suffers. A lot of southwest winds. We

1777
02:08:37,333 --> 02:08:39,413
should be fully aware of this, so I don't want

1778
02:08:39,413 --> 02:08:42,430
to downplay that and. I don't want to take away

1779
02:08:42,430 --> 02:08:47,120
from this report whatsoever, because, by and large, I'm entirely

1780
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:49,960
in agreement with the comments and the work that's been

1781
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:53,000
done on this, but I would support having that portion

1782
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:57,982
removed if it comes forward. Councilor Lewis. Thank you, madam

1783
02:08:57,982 --> 02:09:01,422
Chair. And I won't rehash some of the concerns raised

1784
02:09:01,422 --> 02:09:04,182
by councilor Dubino and the mayor. But I do agree

1785
02:09:04,182 --> 02:09:06,942
with the comments that have been made. One question I

1786
02:09:06,942 --> 02:09:12,637
wanted to just ask is. Obviously with this plan, then

1787
02:09:12,637 --> 02:09:17,667
there's the action that goes with it and. I remember

1788
02:09:17,667 --> 02:09:20,867
maybe about a year before the election and taking the

1789
02:09:20,867 --> 02:09:23,187
seat here, I think the mayor and I both had

1790
02:09:23,187 --> 02:09:27,415
a conversation. With the EAC chair at a community event,

1791
02:09:27,415 --> 02:09:30,455
and she had made a suggestion to us and that

1792
02:09:30,455 --> 02:09:34,815
was why, when reports come before us for counsel, is

1793
02:09:34,815 --> 02:09:37,815
there not a line item that talks? About the climate

1794
02:09:37,815 --> 02:09:43,113
impact. And maybe some reports that come there is no

1795
02:09:43,113 --> 02:09:46,793
impact to climate. But on the infrastructure side, I could

1796
02:09:46,793 --> 02:09:50,193
see how that would certainly be a notable line item

1797
02:09:50,193 --> 02:09:53,193
on many things, but also on the planning side too.

1798
02:09:55,002 --> 02:09:58,002
With subdivisions and other things that come through the planning

1799
02:09:58,002 --> 02:10:01,082
process. So I guess my question is, has there been

1800
02:10:01,082 --> 02:10:05,113
any consideration to taking this one step further? And actually

1801
02:10:05,113 --> 02:10:08,433
adding an additional line item to our reports that just

1802
02:10:08,433 --> 02:10:12,193
shows how this report relates to climate change and does

1803
02:10:12,193 --> 02:10:16,513
it have a negative, positive, or no impact on climate

1804
02:10:16,513 --> 02:10:21,965
change? Yes, that's a great idea. We could definitely do

1805
02:10:21,965 --> 02:10:26,056
that. Okay? And I'm not taking credit for it because

1806
02:10:26,056 --> 02:10:27,816
I've already said where it came from, but I thought

1807
02:10:27,816 --> 02:10:30,496
it was a good idea at the time, and months

1808
02:10:30,496 --> 02:10:32,656
have turned into years. But I think now is maybe

1809
02:10:32,656 --> 02:10:35,936
the time to take that and put that into action,

1810
02:10:35,936 --> 02:10:45,293
but. Those were my only. Comments. Counselor. Councillor

1811
02:10:45,293 --> 02:10:48,293
flag you had? Yeah, just a quick question. Maybe through

1812
02:10:48,293 --> 02:10:55,035
you, madam chair to Mr. Frost. This references. Our vehicle

1813
02:10:55,035 --> 02:10:57,675
program for battery, but are we still running two stroke

1814
02:10:57,675 --> 02:11:02,006
and four stroke? Small engines in the parks and so

1815
02:11:02,006 --> 02:11:06,902
forth. And is there movement afoot to replace those with

1816
02:11:06,902 --> 02:11:10,885
battery operated. Madam chair Permeyer saying we're still just running

1817
02:11:10,885 --> 02:11:14,092
the two stroke and four stroke. We can definitely look

1818
02:11:14,092 --> 02:11:16,652
into replacing as things come up for renewal. If the

1819
02:11:16,652 --> 02:11:19,092
battery is an option the problem when you start to

1820
02:11:19,092 --> 02:11:24,374
run battery powered handheld devices, small. Maintenance devices like the

1821
02:11:24,374 --> 02:11:27,774
leaf blowers, the weed whackers, string trimmers, whatever you may.

1822
02:11:27,774 --> 02:11:32,814
The runtime of those is typically 30, 40, 60 minutes,

1823
02:11:32,814 --> 02:11:36,831
and we'd have to be constantly having batteries. Charging, having

1824
02:11:36,831 --> 02:11:39,911
places to charge them, swapping them out. So we'll look

1825
02:11:39,911 --> 02:11:41,791
into it, but. Maybe a matter of efficiency in the

1826
02:11:41,791 --> 02:11:44,071
work we do when people are using them for their

1827
02:11:44,071 --> 02:11:47,231
eight hour shifts at a time, but we can definitely

1828
02:11:47,231 --> 02:11:52,191
look into it. I understand there's certainly large. Companies that

1829
02:11:52,191 --> 02:11:56,231
have found efficiencies with those, and they've been able to

1830
02:11:56,231 --> 02:12:00,794
utilize. The outlets in the trucks and so forth to

1831
02:12:00,794 --> 02:12:02,634
charge the battery. So just something for us to look

1832
02:12:02,634 --> 02:12:11,562
at. Councillor Dubano. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Chair. I am

1833
02:12:11,562 --> 02:12:15,242
going to move an amendment related to section seven on

1834
02:12:15,242 --> 02:12:16,922
exploring the climate emergency, but I just want to make

1835
02:12:16,922 --> 02:12:20,002
one quick comment first. Council rows raised a really good

1836
02:12:20,002 --> 02:12:23,202
point about climate impact. And the reports. And I remember,

1837
02:12:23,202 --> 02:12:25,242
I think it was during my first term, we actually

1838
02:12:25,242 --> 02:12:29,842
added accessibility. For Ontario with disabilities impacts to our reports,

1839
02:12:29,842 --> 02:12:31,282
which I think was a really good idea at the

1840
02:12:31,282 --> 02:12:33,913
time. To see whether. Exactly like councilor Lewis said, whether

1841
02:12:33,913 --> 02:12:36,513
it's a positive impact. Negative impact. Whether it has any

1842
02:12:36,513 --> 02:12:39,273
impact at all, and I would be fully supportive of

1843
02:12:39,273 --> 02:12:44,014
that. Because. It's important to have that information. Same as

1844
02:12:44,014 --> 02:12:46,894
the Aoda impact, climate impact, I think that's a great

1845
02:12:46,894 --> 02:12:52,875
idea. I'm glad to hear. Second time tonight. Ms. De

1846
02:12:52,875 --> 02:12:55,915
la actually is in favor of that, putting that forward.

1847
02:12:58,358 --> 02:13:00,917
So I think that's good. But, madam Chair, I am

1848
02:13:00,917 --> 02:13:05,565
going to move that. We remove item seven. Explore declaring

1849
02:13:05,565 --> 02:13:07,725
a climate emergency for the town of Fort Erie and

1850
02:13:07,725 --> 02:13:10,645
references to it. And if I may speak to that

1851
02:13:10,645 --> 02:13:13,608
very briefly. I think we should bring it forward to

1852
02:13:13,608 --> 02:13:16,008
council and have a debate and a discussion about it.

1853
02:13:16,008 --> 02:13:18,088
I just don't think it should be in here at

1854
02:13:18,088 --> 02:13:21,667
this time until we have done. That. And I've made

1855
02:13:21,667 --> 02:13:24,587
my feelings clear, but I think it's something worthy of

1856
02:13:24,587 --> 02:13:28,155
a debate. And that discussion to see where we land.

1857
02:13:29,658 --> 02:13:31,738
I just think if this is a living document, it's

1858
02:13:31,738 --> 02:13:33,578
something we can add back later. If we make that

1859
02:13:33,578 --> 02:13:37,915
decision. So that's why I'm moving this. Are there any

1860
02:13:37,915 --> 02:13:43,275
comments? Right, then I will call the question with respect

1861
02:13:43,275 --> 02:13:47,235
to the amendment councilor Dubano just made. All those in

1862
02:13:47,235 --> 02:13:54,511
favor? All those opposed, that is carried. Are there any

1863
02:13:54,511 --> 02:13:59,184
further comments on this item? Then I will call the

1864
02:13:59,184 --> 02:14:03,467
question. All those in favor of the report, as amended.

1865
02:14:05,103 --> 02:14:10,314
All those opposed? Harry. So that brings the number of

1866
02:14:10,314 --> 02:14:14,674
reports under discussion tonight to an end. Now, are there

1867
02:14:14,674 --> 02:14:20,664
any new business inquiries. Councilor Lewis. Thank you, madam chair.

1868
02:14:20,664 --> 02:14:23,664
Just have one question, and I just want to preface

1869
02:14:23,664 --> 02:14:28,144
it. With saying crystal beach has experienced tremendous growth, both

1870
02:14:28,144 --> 02:14:32,238
in the business district as well as. In the surrounding

1871
02:14:32,238 --> 02:14:35,478
neighborhoods. And we've had the completion of the Crystal beach

1872
02:14:35,478 --> 02:14:38,998
neighborhood plan number one. The secondary plan, the design charts.

1873
02:14:41,001 --> 02:14:43,721
The Bay beach master plan, the cause study report. I

1874
02:14:43,721 --> 02:14:46,081
mean, there's no doubt that crystal beach has been well

1875
02:14:46,081 --> 02:14:49,281
studied, but I'm just wondering if the director of planning

1876
02:14:49,281 --> 02:14:52,561
can maybe. Tell us what works being done to look

1877
02:14:52,561 --> 02:14:57,448
into establishing a cip. Within the crystal beach area and

1878
02:14:57,448 --> 02:15:00,808
maybe what else is being done on the Cips throughout

1879
02:15:00,808 --> 02:15:04,437
town. Because in Crystal beach, we do have a secondary

1880
02:15:04,437 --> 02:15:08,517
neighborhood plan now, as well as a full fledged Bia,

1881
02:15:08,517 --> 02:15:11,917
and I hope Jonathan's listening. But it is my hope

1882
02:15:11,917 --> 02:15:16,355
that. This budget we do look at. Putting in place

1883
02:15:16,355 --> 02:15:19,235
a Cip for Crystal beach. There's been a tremendous amount

1884
02:15:19,235 --> 02:15:22,075
of work. Done. Phil Smith is someone who comes to

1885
02:15:22,075 --> 02:15:24,595
mind. Who? The mayor and I have spoke quite a

1886
02:15:24,595 --> 02:15:26,795
bit about the amount of work that he has done

1887
02:15:26,795 --> 02:15:30,603
without a cip. But I think we've reached the point

1888
02:15:30,603 --> 02:15:34,790
personally. I think we're ready for it, but maybe the

1889
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:39,339
director can provide some clarity. Madam Shea. Currently, we are

1890
02:15:39,339 --> 02:15:42,939
reviewing all the cips as the town currently has, and

1891
02:15:42,939 --> 02:15:46,379
then once we have done that, completed that review, then

1892
02:15:46,379 --> 02:15:50,539
we would be looking into adding more cips that is

1893
02:15:50,539 --> 02:15:53,019
for crystal beach. But right now we are not there

1894
02:15:53,019 --> 02:15:55,779
yet. We are reviewing it, but definitely we would be

1895
02:15:55,779 --> 02:16:00,036
looking that in future. And just follow up, would we

1896
02:16:00,036 --> 02:16:02,956
be looking at information coming back to council maybe in

1897
02:16:02,956 --> 02:16:06,951
the fall? With some options or where we're currently at.

1898
02:16:08,781 --> 02:16:11,341
Madam JB can definitely bring a report and provide an

1899
02:16:11,341 --> 02:16:14,541
update. What has been done with the current review and

1900
02:16:14,541 --> 02:16:17,981
then take guidance from council about the future ones. Perfect.

1901
02:16:17,981 --> 02:16:21,456
Thank you. Thank you. Is there any other new business?

1902
02:16:22,864 --> 02:16:25,704
So we are now at the business status report. Are

1903
02:16:25,704 --> 02:16:30,775
there any questions about business status report? There being none.

1904
02:16:32,751 --> 02:16:36,771
I declare that this meeting of the planning business. Plan.

1905
02:16:36,734 --> 02:16:44,264
Planning, building and bylaw services subcommittee is adjourned. And I

1906
02:16:44,264 --> 02:16:47,382
turn the chair back to you, your worship. It was

1907
02:16:47,382 --> 02:16:51,317
a long meeting. That takes us to infrastructure services. And

1908
02:16:51,317 --> 02:16:54,477
Councilor Lewis, I presume that you can move this. Along.

1909
02:16:54,477 --> 02:16:58,997
Yeah. We have a full agenda tonight. Under infrastructure services,

1910
02:16:58,997 --> 02:17:01,957
which is now in session, we have no presentations or

1911
02:17:01,957 --> 02:17:06,277
delegations. There are no reports on the agenda tonight. Are

1912
02:17:06,277 --> 02:17:10,510
there any new business? Or inquiries from members. Your worship.

1913
02:17:10,510 --> 02:17:13,790
Yeah, sure. I just had an inquiry with respect to

1914
02:17:13,790 --> 02:17:19,646
how we're making out. With. The work. At Erie Beach,

1915
02:17:19,646 --> 02:17:25,134
Waverley beach, the promenade. We'd given some guidelines and timelines

1916
02:17:25,134 --> 02:17:28,068
with respect to that. And I think we've had some

1917
02:17:28,068 --> 02:17:31,428
trees fall down. Trees recently, too, so, acting director Frost.

1918
02:17:32,891 --> 02:17:35,411
The design is underway with our consultant. They are working

1919
02:17:35,411 --> 02:17:38,251
towards it. There was a few hiccups. I think they

1920
02:17:38,251 --> 02:17:40,331
had to sort out with some of the past archaeological

1921
02:17:40,331 --> 02:17:42,571
studies that were done. For it, but they are well

1922
02:17:42,571 --> 02:17:44,851
advancing through the design, and we have weekly check ins

1923
02:17:44,851 --> 02:17:47,411
with them. So it is moving, albeit not as fast

1924
02:17:47,411 --> 02:17:51,554
as hoped. But we are definitely. Pushing it forward, and

1925
02:17:51,554 --> 02:17:53,994
our consultant has advised they have a bit of extra

1926
02:17:53,994 --> 02:17:56,234
capacity now to dedicate. More time to it as well.

1927
02:17:57,955 --> 02:18:03,466
Good because time is marching on. Anything further? No. Councilor

1928
02:18:03,466 --> 02:18:06,906
noise. Yes. I just want an update on the Black

1929
02:18:06,906 --> 02:18:12,759
Creek road, culvert. That was supposed to happen. It was

1930
02:18:12,759 --> 02:18:14,959
kind of, like, red flagged, I think, four or five

1931
02:18:14,959 --> 02:18:18,387
years ago that it had to be done soon. And

1932
02:18:18,387 --> 02:18:22,505
we tried and. We had the wrong design and it

1933
02:18:22,505 --> 02:18:25,427
was going to go back to the design. And it's

1934
02:18:25,427 --> 02:18:30,629
been crickets ever since. So I'm just wondering. Where that

1935
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:34,665
Lock Creek Road culvert replacement is. Acting director Frost through

1936
02:18:34,665 --> 02:18:38,145
you, chair. From my understanding, this culvert was previously not

1937
02:18:38,145 --> 02:18:41,505
identified as a navigable waterway, but it currently is. So

1938
02:18:41,505 --> 02:18:43,465
our consultant had gone back to the drawing board to

1939
02:18:43,465 --> 02:18:47,105
switch from their dual barrel culvert design back to a

1940
02:18:47,105 --> 02:18:50,505
single culvert design. We have been pushing the consultant, albeit

1941
02:18:50,505 --> 02:18:53,745
we haven't seen as much response as we'd hope we

1942
02:18:53,745 --> 02:18:56,685
have. A bit of staffing resourcing issues, just in terms

1943
02:18:56,685 --> 02:18:58,885
of availability of staff as well. To push it forward,

1944
02:18:58,885 --> 02:19:02,045
but it is moving, albeit again, slower than needed. But

1945
02:19:02,045 --> 02:19:04,405
we will follow up. The consultant and say we need

1946
02:19:04,405 --> 02:19:07,245
a push to get this one finished off, and you

1947
02:19:07,245 --> 02:19:10,125
could provide. An update to council on where that's at.

1948
02:19:11,717 --> 02:19:15,957
An update can be provided. Yes. Anything further, council? Yeah.

1949
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:19,080
Again. It's a safety issue. It's one of these things,

1950
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:21,240
four or five years. Ago was looking like if we

1951
02:19:21,240 --> 02:19:24,039
didn't replace it. The road was going to collapse in

1952
02:19:24,039 --> 02:19:28,791
it. That seems to no longer. Be a concern. It's

1953
02:19:28,791 --> 02:19:30,751
been four or five years, so I'm just wanting to.

1954
02:19:30,751 --> 02:19:33,671
Make sure that we don't lose this. Thank you. Thank

1955
02:19:33,671 --> 02:19:37,551
you. Any other questions or comments? From council seeing none.

1956
02:19:39,994 --> 02:19:43,354
The business status report is attached. Any questions or comments

1957
02:19:43,354 --> 02:19:51,384
with that document? Come on, somebody. Seeing none. I'll turn

1958
02:19:51,384 --> 02:19:54,184
the chair back over to you. Your worship. Get paid

1959
02:19:54,184 --> 02:19:57,384
by the minute or. What's the deal? Thanks very much,

1960
02:19:57,384 --> 02:20:00,664
Councilor Lewis. That takes us to corporating community services. Councilor

1961
02:20:00,664 --> 02:20:04,464
flag. Thank you, worship. Corporate community services in session. We

1962
02:20:04,464 --> 02:20:07,664
don't have any presentation or delegations. Tonight. But we do

1963
02:20:07,664 --> 02:20:15,491
have one report. On the agenda seven. 2025. Thank you,

1964
02:20:15,491 --> 02:20:24,943
your worship. Any questions on that? Council. It's just about

1965
02:20:24,943 --> 02:20:31,758
the land committee minutes that talks about. Zero. Townline Road.

1966
02:20:31,758 --> 02:20:34,958
Zero Townline Road and the private pumping station and the

1967
02:20:34,958 --> 02:20:38,558
encroachment. I know my understanding. We're accepting this for information

1968
02:20:38,558 --> 02:20:45,648
purposes only. We're not. There's an annotation in the minutes

1969
02:20:45,648 --> 02:20:48,368
of following the meetings that were advised that the encroachment

1970
02:20:48,368 --> 02:20:51,288
agreement is no longer required as the owners are seeking

1971
02:20:51,288 --> 02:20:56,418
an alternative method. Of water servicing approval, so. They are

1972
02:20:56,418 --> 02:21:00,469
just receiving this report for information. Okay. I don't think

1973
02:21:00,469 --> 02:21:05,164
I got that yet. Okay, that's fine. It's in the

1974
02:21:05,164 --> 02:21:12,856
actual minutes. Of. The. At the bottom of. Number one

1975
02:21:12,856 --> 02:21:22,713
on page two. Any other questions? No. Perfect. Saying? None.

1976
02:21:22,713 --> 02:21:31,054
All those in favor? Anything underneath this? Business. Business status

1977
02:21:31,054 --> 02:21:35,703
report. Will close this. Your worship, back to you. Thank

1978
02:21:35,703 --> 02:21:40,487
you very much, Councilor flag. And that's how it's done.

1979
02:21:41,908 --> 02:21:47,944
Okay. There's nothing to really close section about, nothing to

1980
02:21:47,944 --> 02:21:53,651
go back into open session about scheduling. Meetings. Councilor Lewis.

1981
02:21:53,651 --> 02:21:57,371
Wednesday of this week, there is a crystal beach bia

1982
02:21:57,371 --> 02:22:03,283
meeting at the Crystal Ridge Library at 06:00 p.m. And

1983
02:22:03,283 --> 02:22:07,416
that would be. On the 13th. That would be the

1984
02:22:07,416 --> 02:22:11,776
13th. Any others, councilor? Dubai? Yes, you, worship the museum.

1985
02:22:11,776 --> 02:22:16,256
And cultural heritage advisory committee has a meeting on Wednesday.

1986
02:22:17,804 --> 02:22:20,324
August 20 at 01:00 p.m. looks like it'll be here

1987
02:22:20,324 --> 02:22:23,364
in town hall and conference room one. Thank you. Any

1988
02:22:23,364 --> 02:22:29,492
others? Councilor noise? The SPCA meeting is on Thursday, August

1989
02:22:29,492 --> 02:22:33,412
28 at 515, and it's going to be at beach

1990
02:22:33,412 --> 02:22:37,841
Comers. Any other meetings. I should say that councilor Lewis

1991
02:22:37,841 --> 02:22:40,841
and I will be at the association municipalities. Of Ontario

1992
02:22:40,841 --> 02:22:46,298
conference next week. The festivities there start on the Sunday

1993
02:22:46,298 --> 02:22:49,698
and they go through until the Wednesday. We have six

1994
02:22:49,698 --> 02:22:54,458
or seven meetings with ministers or parliamentary assistants and other

1995
02:22:54,458 --> 02:22:57,818
organizations, so it should be a very busy few. Days.

1996
02:22:59,743 --> 02:23:01,823
Councilor Duba. Now, would you like to move an adjournment?

1997
02:23:01,823 --> 02:23:03,783
I would. You? Worship. I'd like to move that council

1998
02:23:03,783 --> 02:23:06,823
and committee adjourn at 08:19 p.m. this evening. All those

1999
02:23:06,823 --> 02:23:09,634
in favor? That is unanimous. Thank you.