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Or participate in the meeting may do so in person or by joining the Zoom meeting. Public comments will be accepted both in person and be a Zoom. Any email sent to public comment at fostercity.org have been provided to the council prior to the meeting.

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I hear what call is December 2nd meeting to order. And if I could have Chief Alivar lead us in the pledge allegiance, I'd appreciate that.

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Item 3, roll call. Council member XX, if you see any

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She made director, is John Frooman, here.

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Ciam Hendi, here.

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Stacey Hemenaz, I'm here.

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Art Kiesel, here.

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And Mayor, President Patrick Sullivan.

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Here.

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Item 4, special presentations.

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4.1, a proclamation honoring police chief Tracey Avallar for her service to the Foster City

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Police Department.

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Just a friendly reminder, I've got my cell phone off, and we're trying to concentrate

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here, and we'll have our cell phones off so that we will not disturb anybody.

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And also our dedication here is to the service of the public too.

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So in honor of the chief, I've got a proclamation I'm going to read, honoring police chief Tracey Abelar for the service to the city of Foster City Police Department.

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Whereas chief Abelar has served the Foster City Police Department for 22 years and was selected as the department's first ever female police chief in 2019.

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And whereas Chief Avallar has served in every rank in Foster City Police Department since she was hired to the police recruit in 2002.

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And whereas Chief Avallar also served as Foster City's Acting City Manager 2021, and whereas under Chief Avallar's guidance and direction the Foster City Police Department continues to set the standards of integrity, professionalism in community service and law enforcement.

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We're as over the last five years, Chief Avalar has brought calm through the chaos of some of the most challenging years in police history.

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And we're as Chief Avalar's steady leadership was critical in successfully leading the Foster Cities Police Department through the mirrored challenges and obstacles posed by COVID-19 pandemic, and we're as through a willingness to leverage technology, innovative law enforcement practices.

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Chief Avalar helped make Foster City a safer environment for residents, businesses, and other community members, and whereas under the leadership of Chief Avalar, the Foster City Police Department prioritized mindfulness and enhanced social equity through the participation in the act of bystandership for law enforcement able and police two piece programs, and whereas the city of Foster City expresses immense appreciation gratitude to police chiefs.

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favelar for the many years of dedicated community service.

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Now therefore, I, Patrick Sullivan, may or the city of Foster City, on behalf of the City Council do hereby recognize and commend police chief favelar on our exemplary service and commitment to the community and offer a sincere appreciation for service in the Foster City Police Department.

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Thank you.

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did not prepare anything because typically when I do a speech I start crying and I'm not going to do that tonight.

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I just want to say thank you so much. This city is the cream of the crop.

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Everything from the police department to the city staff to our city councils through all the years, some twice.

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And so I just want to say thank you all so much for your continued support of the police department.

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We felt nothing but support, and it matters a lot when you're going through the challenges that we have gone through, and we continue to go through.

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And I have never brought anything forward in this city that was not supported wholly.

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And so I appreciate City Manager and the City Council for all you do for us as well.

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Thank you.

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And if you take a moment, I think a few council members would like to say a few words of

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appreciation for you.

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I think Vice Mayor Menace, did you?

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So Chief Alley, there really are not words to properly thank you for your years of service

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to our community.

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I had to prepare a speech because I would stop crying and then not be able to finish.

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So your leadership and dedication to creating an opening and welcoming police force, one committed

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to positive interactions within our community.

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Your integrity, your compassion, have all worked to set the bar for what has been the very

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best in public service to our community.

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You have built trust across our community.

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You have served as a mentor to many.

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And because of your leadership, you leave a department that is safer, stronger, and I believe

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because of your leadership, they will carry on and honor your legacy and continue to do so

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many of the things that you have put in place and they will do them well.

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As you move forward in the next chapter of your career, I hope you know how grateful

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we are, not just to you, but to your family also, because they have really lent us to you

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and you have become such an integral part of our community from being a part of the rotary

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to volunteering at events on the weekends and just being around even when you don't have

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to be.

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So with that, I wish you all the best, and I really hope your new city really knows what a gem they are getting in you.

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They are so incredibly lucky, and we have been even more so to have you in our lives for all these many years.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Chief Avalard.

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It's been a pleasure to have not just worked with you as a council member, but

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worked with you side by side in the police department for a number of years.

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I think I might have been in hiring when you got hired within the police department.

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You were in a group of five, if I remember correctly.

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Four.

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I knew it was a large group.

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We've always been in need of hiring police officers.

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You've done a lot of different things within the police department.

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The things that really stick out for me is when you were the youth services corporal.

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You did great training and you had great interaction with the youth and foster city.

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I remember we had some discussions about your future.

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And you took a lot of that information to heart.

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You went back to school, you not only got one degree, you got two degrees on your way to becoming the chief of police.

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And then as the chief, you decided to continue to give, and not just here in Foster City, but throughout the state of California.

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Not on committees at Cal chiefs, and then going through the ranks and the chairs at Cal chiefs now being the president of Cal chiefs.

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Only two female presidents of Calcheese, both from San Mateo County, and both from neighboring agencies.

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So if you want to be a female head of Calcheese, you got to come to Foster City or San Mateo.

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So I do appreciate what you've done for us and with us, and wish you the greatest success in Pleasanton.

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Thank you, and I just want to say you have been a significant impact on my, not on my career, my life.

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If you really started the ball rolling for me in a lot of ways and I really appreciate

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all you've done for me as well.

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Tracy, yeah, I was trying to think about when I first met you but it had to be when I was

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on the council so it's been over 15 years and everything I've watched of you is the professionalism.

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I mean, you and I have joked and joined Barb's back and forth but over the years but I really

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appreciate the warmth that you've professed as well as what you've represented for this city is becoming what was your president of it, right?

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But just to make a smile a little bit, I see three badges over here, I see four badges over here and I'm going to make an assumption that's to keep you from leaving.

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three. And two retired chiefs are here. I saw three chiefs. I only saw two. All we need

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is Sun and Bergen and Courtney. I wish you all the best of luck really. We're going

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to be missed. Thank you so much. Thank you. Chief, I've been a pleasure working with you

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from here on the city council but I want to thank you for your leadership and

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the way you carried this police department. We are really blessed and

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foster city to have such a great police department not only just with the

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personnel and the leadership but also with the way policing is being done and

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foster city. It is a really 100% community policing. It is about building the

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relationship between the PD and the community.

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And that's, I think, the most impact,

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really, that your leadership has continued to do.

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And you inherited from Matt and Joe great PD,

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but also you took it to another level.

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Your embrace of technology and making sure

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that your officers are always ready and prepared.

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But you balanced that also with privacy.

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I remember us working together on many initiatives

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that you brought forward.

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you wanted to be at the cutting edge of technology,

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so your officers are able to serve this community

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the best they can.

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But also, again, you were very cognizant

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of the impact of privacy on the citizen.

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So I want to thank you.

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We're definitely going to miss you,

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but I'm glad for you that you have found

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the PD department that's closer to your house.

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So that let that be a lesson for all of us.

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You know, we talk always about housing and how probably,

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That's a major part of your decision.

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So anyway, best of luck to you.

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I know you're going to be successful wherever you go.

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Thank you so much.

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And before we take a few pictures, I want to say thank you very much

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because I remember when you took the position as chief

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and I was instrumental in working with Councilman Prum and it

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to meet in your office just to see the landscape

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of what was happening in the town.

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Obviously, we've gone through COVID and stuff.

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I think your leadership comes through, if you just take a look at the new officers that we have, the diversity of officers, it's outstanding, and we're recruiting, and we're continuing to recruit, and I think we're looking forward to seeing that continue on.

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I think it's important that people realize that you had a very quiet general approach to law enforcement.

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and I had other chiefs that are a little bit different

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than your approach and I admire your style of leadership

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because you're always there thinking.

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You're not necessarily saying that I agree with you

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but I'm gonna think about what you said.

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So that's true leadership is thinking

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and thinking through the process.

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So we're gonna miss you.

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I think we'll all go up there and get a picture.

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Perfect.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay, all right. I overstepped myself. If we have any public comment, do we have anyone?

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Speaker slips.

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Facility we have any speaker slip. Do we have anyone on zoom? We do not. Okay, so I was fast but

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Item five, public.

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This is an opportunity for members of the public to speak on items not listed on the agenda.

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As a reminder, we're taking comments in live meeting format.

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Government Code Section 54954.2E3 precludes the Council from discussing or acting upon any topic initially presented during the public portion of the agenda.

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Anyone who wants to provide public comment in person, please fill out a list speaker and hand it to me.

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Any anyone who wants to provide public comment on Zoom, please raise your hand during this time.

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We'll take in-person speakers first, followed by those on Zoom.

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Do we have any speaker slips?

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I do not have any speaker slips for this item.

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We have anyone on Zoom?

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Item 6, City E-Mid consent calendar, all matters listed under consent calendar are considered to be

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by the council and Board of Directors and it will be enacted by one motion unless removed if I a member of the council board staff or public

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Anyone who wants to provide public comment, please provide a speaker slip or raise your hand on Zoom.

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Okay, I have from Councilman Fruiman to pull item 6.5, is that correct? Okay. Could I have an approval of the consent calendar 6? Or do we have anyone for public comment on this?

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We do not. And no one on Zoom? No. Okay. Could I have a motion to pass the consent calendar 6.5?

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6.1 through 6.8 exempts, 6.5.

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So moved.

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Do I have a second?

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All those in favor say aye.

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All right,

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so on item 6.5, I don't need a staff report or anything.

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I've had an opportunity to speak with Derek about this.

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Our current vendors out the business about kite surfing, the kite surfing vendor, RFP out at the Baywen's Park.

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And I know that our current vendors have provided the city with safety plans but there's nothing in the RFP that requires that to be done based on the nature of the type of activity that goes on out there, I think it would be important for us to note in the RFP or in some other way that's appropriate that the vendors vendor or vendors who are selected need to supply the city with a safety plan. That's my only request.

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if there's enough support from the council.

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I would support that. Do I have any other member on?

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Yeah, no question.

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So, can we add that to the report?

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We'll leave it to staff as to whether it's at the RFP level or later on.

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Yeah, we'll have no problem with adding it in.

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We just want to have that action included today noted in the record.

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All right, then, John, you want to make a motion in that regard?

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And with that, I'll make a motion to approve item 6.5 with additional direction to staff to require any selected vendor

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vendors that are selected from this RFP to require them to provide the city with a safety plan prior to starting business.

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And we'll want public comment before vote.

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We're going to need a public comment on that.

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We do not have any public comment.

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And do we have anyone to do?

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We have a motion, do I have a second?

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Do we need a second on that or is that the review?

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I have a second.

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Stacey, or you're going to be in second one.

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Okay, all those in favor say aye.

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Motion passes 5-0, item 7 public hearings, 7.1,

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a public hearing to hear and receive comments regarding the Integrative Adaptive Canada Goose Management Plan,

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an initial study mitigated negative declaration, ISM and D,

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for the Foster City Integrative Adaptive Canada Goose Management Plan.

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S-C-H number 2024-9-0125.

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Anyone who wants to provide public comment,

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please provide a speaker slip or raise your hand on Zoom.

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Hey, good evening, Mayor Sullivan and members of the City Council.

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I'm Frank Finnar, the Parks Maintenance Manager.

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Tonight's staff presents the draft Integrated Adaptive Canada Goose Management Plan

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alongside the Associated Initial Study and Mitigated Negative Declaration,

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ISMND for consideration.

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The City Council is being asked to approve the environmental review findings under SEQUA and the proposed plan which outlines the non-leafable strategies to address the increasing challenges posed by the Canada Geese and Foster City.

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A little background. As the City Council is aware, Foster City has long struggled to manage its resident Canada goose population.

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These highly adaptable birds are drawn to the city's lagoon system in parks, where the combination of water access, abundant grassy areas, and a lack of natural predators creates the ideal habitat.

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Despite numerous efforts, none have effectively curved the growing population leading to significant challenges in public parks and other spaces.

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The presence of Canada geese have caused several major issues.

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Starting with health risks, the goose droppings carry pathogens like E. coli, cryptospiridium which can cause illnesses such as swimmer's itch and gastrointestinal problems.

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Environmental impacts such as goose feces contributing to nitrogen pollution, fueling algae blooms and degrading lagoon water quality which harms ecosystems and limits recreational use of the water.

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Public disruption from the droppings on the pathways, sports fields, and

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create an unsightly and unpleasant conditions, especially during the summer,

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molting months when the geese gather in large numbers.

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So in September of 2022, the City Council directed staff to issue a request for proposal

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to find a consultant to develop a comprehensive management plan.

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Following a competitive selection process, wildlife innovations was chosen to prepare

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the plan to conduct the required environmental review.

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The result is a draft integrated adaptive Canada Goose Management Plan, which proposes adaptive non-lethal strategies tailored to foster city's unique challenges.

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No, we'll start.

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No, the problem.

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Canada geese in foster city parks are causing significant issues, including damage to lawns, pathways, likely contributing to eco-line ill-gun and threatened parkgoers.

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This is a regional problem requiring a comprehensive solution and a comprehensive plan was needed.

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The current slide shows the cost and how they have escalated over the years for

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how the city has paid to deal with the geese, mainly with power washing, but

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also includes such expenses as eggaddling and implementing various deterrent techniques that we've taken upon ourselves to try.

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And then as you could see in 2022, 23 also includes the cost for the plan development itself.

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for a timeline of events of brief recap, in September of 2022, again, City Council

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directed the staff to issue the RFP for a consultant to develop the Goose Management Plan.

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In February of 2023, Council approved the contract with wildlife innovations to create

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the integrated Canada Goose Population Management Plan.

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In August, the contract was amended to include the secret review process.

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In August 23 through June of 24, surveys were conducted, camera surveillance, and public input informed the plan's development, the CEQA initial study, mitigated negative declaration, and mitigation, monitoring, and reporting program were prepared.

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In June 2024 through August of 2024, the IMD was posted to the city website and notices were mail to interested parties.

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a notice of intent was filed with the City Clerk and the Foster City Islander initiating the public review period.

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In August of 2024, the notice of intent was submitted to the State Claring House with one comment which was received from California Department of Fish and Wildlife on Habitat modification to the and deterrence, which were addressed by wildlife innovations in the plan.

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And with that, I will turn it over to Dan Biteman of Wildlife Innovations to take the presentation.

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Good evening,

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all the innovations.

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Thank you for the opportunity to build your Canada Goose management green button.

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Can you hear me now?

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All right, juggle that and reading my slides here.

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Just going to be a little bit of a challenge so bear with me.

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But again, thank you for the opportunity to help you to try to mitigate this conflict with Canada Geese by building a management plan.

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And invite me to come here to tell you a little bit about it tonight.

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I have an awful lot of information kind of in my brain and I'm going to try to, you know, streamline it and target the information that we thought you'd most be the most interested in and with a lot of direction from Derek and Frank there, so but feel free to stop me, slow me down or anything like that or you can just wait till the end and ask me questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

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So to build you, to build Foster City a Canada Goose Management Plan, we reviewed scientific literature to learn all we could about Canada Goose Biology, needs, and conflicts, internationally and nationally.

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We reviewed other Canada Goose Management plans, developed for other properties, cities, or states to identify all management methods that have been used as a part of other programs.

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I reached out to other managers that have managed Canada Geese as a part of their properties in other states and we pulled all that information together to begin building a plan for you.

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We assessed the areas where conflicts have occurred and began gathering information regarding a spatial and temporal nature of the conflicts with Canada Geese.

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We identified which hazing and deterrence methods are likely to be most effective within the areas where conflicts exist.

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After evaluation of the extent and nature of the conflict, we recommended concentrating initial efforts for hazing and

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habitat modification within a subset of priority parks and then later expanding to additional parks as methods and

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And strategies were proven successful within Foster City, because many times methods that were successful in other properties, other states, other areas, may not be successful within the actual study area.

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The priority parts were selected during conversations with city staff,

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And those seven priority parts were prioritized that were on the lagoon, because some of what Frank mentioned about the habitat needs for

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Canada use they really like to be need have food sources next to water sources water provides an escape from predators.

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we're also I'm advancing slides here and he's advancing slides over there so.

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Canada goose biology, so let's step back for a minute so and Frank touched on some of this I'm going to try to kind of go be brief through this but increase resource

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Of course, availability and mild temperatures have resulted in unnatural, non-migratory candidate

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goose populations, residential resident candidate goose populations within many cities across

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the US and in Canada.

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As a result of those factors, candidate goose have increased almost 11% per year between

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the early 1990s and 2015 in North America and now be more numerous than they have at any

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any other time during the last 100 years, that's trend has also been echoed within the San Francisco Bay Area and then in Foster City as identified through Foster City's own point counts of Canada Geese, next slide.

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So what can be done to mitigate conflicts with Canada Geese, between kind of Geese and people?

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The primary strategies used to mitigate, these are the primary strategies used to mitigate conflicts.

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An important piece is to educate people not to feed geese because food provided by humans

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is an attractant and will keep geese coming back.

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Litho removal was pulled off the table due to public response to discussions about that

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method and then we're going to talk more in depth about habitat modification, exclusion

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and non-lathal hazing and deterrence.

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So first, habitat modification.

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An important part of mitigating conflict with problem wildlife is to identify the root

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of the behaviors or presence within areas where conflicts exist.

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And if managers can identify and remove or exclude problem wildlife from those

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attractants through habitat modification, this is often most effective and

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the most effective and cost efficient long term solution.

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In this case, foster city parks are attractive because of the things that we identify.

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They have presence of manicured lawns that provide food sources.

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They have safe areas to low for rest for Canada geese, and then the proximity to water is important for Canada geese to evade predators.

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And those characteristics are most important during the mullth, Frank talked about that a little bit.

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During a period of the year, when Canada geese mullth their flight feathers and their flight lists, they are most vulnerable to predators at that time.

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And so that's why you are seeing them most prominently in those parks that have direct access to water, where they can walk.

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They can hide in the water from potential predators and then walk out of the water to forage within

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manicured lawns.

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exclusions may be placed to make it harder from the geese to transition between those areas where they forage and

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the areas where they're safe within the water.

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So we surveyed and evaluated the seven priority parts within Foster City for attractants for Canada

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the geese and made recommendations, because manicured lawns within foster city are used as recreation for

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for recreation by people, completely removing those lawns may not be feasible.

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Replacing manicured lawns with artificial turf may also be problematic.

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Letting grass grow too long or replacing the current grass with less palatable grasses would also change the aesthetic and function of those areas for humans.

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So, scientific literature identifies that can't-

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Senator Goose are less likely to use areas where they cannot see potential predators coming from distances. Therefore, one of the most feasible habitat modifications we identified and subsequently recommended within the plan was to create islands of tall and thick vegetation or rock piles within the large, expansive areas of manicured lawns to break up the sight lines for candidate geese. Those islands or visual obstructions should be tall and wide enough to provide the

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illusion that a coyote or wolf size predator could be hiding within them.

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So we map priority parks and identified areas where hedge rows or islands could be

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created to begin to deter candidate use use.

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islands and visibility have been reduced, that is likely the hazing will be even more effective,

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especially when hazing is done to mimic a predator.

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Basically, a predator can come around a corner and be really close and make a goose really uncomfortable really quickly.

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And after that happens a few times, they'll be less likely to use the area next slide.

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So when thinking about building hedge rows or habitat islands, we recommend an important factor.

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Could be to prioritize native vegetation whenever possible because native vegetation also provides habitat for

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for native small birds and butterflies and things like that as well as water-wise plants

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that will reduce the cost and maintenance necessary.

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Hazing and deterrence methods.

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I'm going to go pretty quickly through these.

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I think you may be already familiar with these.

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I'll be happy to answer more questions later on.

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Hazing and deterrence methods are often placed into two categories.

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And those are static and dynamic, while life become desensitized to methods that are static and not moved around, not varied, and so oftentimes you need to have many methods and apply them in different ways.

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And literature and our experience support that if you're hazing in combination with habitat modifications within those problem areas where conflict occurs, that the effects are likely to be amplified and that the deterrence is likely to be longer term and prolonged.

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It's important to note that there are many methods out there, but many of those methods were not suitable for use within Foster City upon reviewing and discussing, discussing with Park staff and city staff as well as spending more time in your parks and a lot of those reasons come down to safety factors, some methods can cause fire or make loud noises that may be bad for people's hair.

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varying or that may just take away from people's use of those park areas and take away from the experience.

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So list was, and then many of those factors contribute to CEQA approval.

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Review of those potential methods through the California Environmental Quality Act process.

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Because if they are going to disturb non-target wildlife or if they are going to potentially take away,

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and impact people's use of those areas, then those trigger issues with CEQA.

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So, so we reduced what was a pretty big list of all items and hazing methods that could be used

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down to some that we thought could be used within foster city parks and that we're likely to be

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able to push, be pushed through the CEQA process and be approved. Next slide.

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Quickly exclusion. One of the most common methods there is fencing. You're already using this

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by the edges of some of your waters. Next slide. Visual deterrence, balloons,

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stones, kites, mylar strips, these things to be placed in areas where you don't want geese,

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most often nesting or resting.

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This is an example, the last slide was an example of dynamic hazing deterrents methods.

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This is, or sorry, static, and this is an example of dynamic.

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And this is because, especially if you have a human operator out there observing how the wildlife react to your method, and then adapting how you apply the method that's dynamic more likely to have a longer kind of effect and an overall more effective program.

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Next slide, lasers, long discs, you know, can be used from long distance, birds don't

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like them, especially during low light levels.

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Again, it could be, it could be desensitized to them pretty quickly.

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There are some safety hazards, would need to be applied by a qualified person.

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Next slide, please, lights could be used in a variety of manners in both dynamic and

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static applications, static application could be just illuminating an area where they may

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want to nest so that at night, it's illuminated and all of a sudden they don't like it or

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it changes kind of the characteristics of a site that they otherwise thought was safe

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to nest within. Dynamic use of lights would be a person holding a spotlight. Next slide please.

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Scarecrow's are decoys, these things are very static even if you move them daily or something

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like that, they can, wildlife can be de-sensitized to them pretty quickly, next slide please.

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And now this is, these are some examples of methods that were pulled off the table.

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So we'll go through those even faster,

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overhead lines netting, bird ball spikes.

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These are used to exclude wildlife from areas, bodies of water, rooftops.

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These were all deemed not feasible for use in Foster City because they would negatively

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effectively affect human use of those areas.

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Pyrotechnics, propane canons have hazard to them.

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They make a loud noise, they could start a fire if they were not used in the correct way.

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They were going to be very problematic from a sequel approval perspective, so we pull those off the table.

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Audio broadcast, large speakers like this unlikely to be used would you get complaints from the neighbors basically.

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However, a short focus noise associated with like a physical deterrent can prolong the effectiveness of that because if they, while I start to associate the noise with the scary predator looking thing that chased them, you know, where there's a real control device or a boat or a vehicle or a person, they may, you may be able to play that noise alone and they might start to associate that and just leave the area.

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So, Sequa.

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California Environmental Quality Act review process

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the first steps of that were a database search.

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So, IPAC is the federal version.

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You draw a polygon around an area.

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It spits out a list of potential species that may be there.

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and that's plants and wildlife, and we reviewed a whole lot of foster city documents and county documents

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and state documents really to kind of get a better idea of what the regulatory landscape looked like.

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Next slide, please. And so that database search returned a whole lot of potential species that could exist here,

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and that's based on data, known data in the database. So in total 22 listed species, 42 of which are

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are migratory birds protected by the Federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

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That's what's most important there, the initial review recommendations were that those impacts and

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potential impacts to those listed species needed to be investigated more.

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whether those species that could be impacted by the proposed actions are actually there.

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and actually to really document whether the habitat that the database said was there and could be suitable is actually suitable.

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So, and as part of that, next review stage should include habitat mapping, identifying species of special interest and biological resources,

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and including wetlands and a long list of other things. Next slide, please.

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So, for a step of the initial study to find the project, what are you asking to do?

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What were the methods where, when, and begin conducting in-person surveys to confirm or

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deny what the database searches said?

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Complete a sequel checklist, which is a bunch of categories.

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You guys have probably heard this with a lot of other projects, but biological resources,

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you know, cultural resources, air quality, long list of things.

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And then if any of those, within any of those categories, if the proposed project is was likely to have some impacts,

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then you review and come up with ways to mitigate those potential impacts.

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And then the end of the initial study was going to be an author of a Board of findings with recommendations.

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Please look next slide.

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So, the where, the what, the when, seven parks to really boil the proposed like mitigation or the proposed, you know, hazing in a turns down, it was halvedop modification and hazing to encourage Canada used to go elsewhere to more natural habitats, including the state and federal wildlife areas that are not very far away just in the Bay.

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And then the year round, the timing was going to be potentially year round.

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Although we really don't know, we did some surveys, we looked at some short time periods.

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I think once you and your Canada Goose point accounts that you've been doing for years are conducted during a certain time period.

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But we don't really know, or I don't know based on data that was available.

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how the geese, what it looks like over the course of a 12 month period, basically, so that is additional information that will help inform and continue to adapt management and management begins next life, please.

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So in person surveys, we surveyed all seven parks for three days, totaling 90 acres.

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years.

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by walking me and during transects. Next slide, please.

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We made a long list of plants

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and birds that were there. And a bunch of recommendations stem from that. Here you see

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some habitat maps where we identified different habitat types, beach sand, sand, ornamental plants,

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Woodland, those are just examples, and then how those habitat types were laid out within just a few of your parks.

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Next slide please, long list of plants.

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Basically, primarily identified that your parks are full of ornamental shrubs and denied that any of the potentially state or federally protected plants exist within your parks.

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So that's good from a habitat management perspective, because if those plants were there,

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you'd have to mitigate for avoid those areas with your habitat modifications.

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they do provide habitat for protected bird species.

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00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,940
And of special notes, a protected bird species, I think I'll introduce this here.

418
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,640
The Migratory Bird Treaty Act is the most widespread federal regulation

419
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,420
that protects pretty much every bird that you see out there.

420
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:25,220
There are a few exceptions, but generally almost every bird out there, and that says that you cannot inflict take and take is take lethal impacts to individuals or

421
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:28,580
nests for the most part, to really boil it down to a simple way.

422
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:34,280
If you disturb a nesting bird repeatedly, and their nests fails, that's take of that nest.

423
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Also, special note, Western Snowy Clover on California Least Turn, the database search said they could be there.

424
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:51,180
The habitat is potentially suitable with the caveat that the parks are heavily used by people and heavily used by dogs, too.

425
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,200
And both those species don't like either of those.

426
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:57,260
So unlikely to be there, although the habitat was still suitable for them.

427
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,340
For a complete list of the species, please see our habitat report.

428
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:04,440
Next slide, please.

429
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:12,340
Another step of this equal evaluation was to get a better idea of how many

430
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:18,640
Canada geese wear when. So we put nine cameras up in 70 of the priority

431
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,720
parks. We start to take photos every 15 minutes, 24 hours a day and seven days a

432
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:27,480
week. You see a pretty good example of Booth Bay Park there with a whole lot of

433
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,440
Canada geese on the edge of the soccer field. The cameras really give us a lot

434
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,700
information. So that was helpful. Next slide please. These are just some summary slides of data

435
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:44,200
and information we collected through those cameras. During 111 days of surveillance, 64,000

436
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:51,680
geese were counted. So now that doesn't mean you have 64,000 geese in your parks. That's 64,000

437
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,540
observations of candidates. So many of those observations will repeat observations of the same

438
00:43:56,540 --> 00:44:01,820
individuals. And there's some trends there that, you know, Booth Bay had kind of the largest groups

439
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:06,880
and up to about 80 Canada geese at a time in Booth Bay, whereas some of the smaller parks like

440
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:13,140
Gold Park and Marlin Park more typically have like six to ten geese. But and then you see that they

441
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:17,680
were most active during and most present in those parks during the middle of the day, although they

442
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:24,100
were present in almost all time periods. I think that's all for that slide. Next slide, please.

443
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:38,400
For example, the checklist, a few of the categories, we went through all the categories for the sequel checklist, and the really the only ones that came up as kind of noteworthy were the biological and cultural components.

444
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:47,020
So biological, that's the migratory bird treaty act that's nesting birds, that's the potential for Western snowy clovers.

445
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:54,020
So, if hazing or habitat modification is to occur during the nesting season for either

446
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:58,460
the migratory bird treaty act any of those birds, which is the nesting season is about

447
00:44:58,460 --> 00:44:59,440
six months of the year.

448
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:29,820
So it's a pretty long time period, then there would need to be mitigation measures put in place and considerations for those nesting birds regarding the methods applied. Culture resources were just if culture resources were found, then appropriate methods, and measures would need to be taken. Again, a lot more details in the documents just kind of go on brief overview here. So mitigation measures were identified to reduce or prevent impacts in both those areas.

449
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:40,460
So generally, the hazing and deterrence methods were assessed as low potential to result

450
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:49,960
in both short and long-term impacts to biological resources, not findings were less than significant

451
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,060
with mitigation measures, so requiring mitigation measures.

452
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,060
And that is, I already introduced some of that, if work must be conducted between the

453
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:06,100
nesting season and that a qualified biologist should be present or conduct surveys ahead

454
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:06,840
of that work.

455
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:15,040
And that's a pretty common mitigation measure that is included in almost every construction

456
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,020
and development project anywhere.

457
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,060
I mean, the first recommendation coming from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on the federal

458
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:50,980
a level which is echoed by California Fish and Wildlife on the state level is just that if you are proposing any project like that, you would avoid the breeding season as the first recommendation, but if you can't avoid, then you need to have qualified personnel to identify the bird species, assess what they are, whether they are nesting or not, and then in some cases, assess their behavior as you're applying or doing whatever your proposed activity.

459
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:57,440
whether it's a bulldozer or whether it's, you know, somebody, you know, firing an air horn

460
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,700
to scare Canada geese, something like that. So, and then stemming from those mitigation

461
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:10,240
measures, a mitigative negative declaration was completed, and then a mitigation monitoring

462
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:14,340
and reporting program developed. And the mitigation monitoring and reporting program just says

463
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:20,280
how we're going to comply with kind of the findings of CEQA and the mitigated negative

464
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:20,820
declaration.

465
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Next slide, please.

466
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,820
So recommendations from the plan.

467
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:32,760
Collecting data and information is a very important part to support the adaptive portion

468
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,700
of an adaptive management plan.

469
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:40,500
And if you don't understand or I'm not explaining that clearly, please ask questions.

470
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:46,300
But really, you need to apply some things, you need to understand what the conditions were before you apply some

471
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,320
some management methods or some hazing methods.

472
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:54,960
And then you need to evaluate what the response of your wildlife that you're on conflict with are.

473
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:03,980
And collecting information and statistically evaluating the effect is the best way you get to what is the most effective methods.

474
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:09,380
And the most effective, most efficient, most cost efficient over time.

475
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:15,240
But you have to, again, test what works in your parks, identify what doesn't work, continue

476
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,140
with what works, get rid of what doesn't work.

477
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:27,560
So biologists is recommended for those steps and to help you collect data in a very regimented

478
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,000
way, analyze the data, write all the reports that you need to effectively assess.

479
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:37,720
And if anybody ever asked you to report what you did under CEQA, then you would have kind

480
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:39,780
of all that information we'll document it.

481
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,500
So, and develop a strategy to begin hazing,

482
00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:46,780
to begin hazing in a regimented way,

483
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:48,340
collecting information on what's working,

484
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,860
what's not, and doing the same

485
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:51,040
with the habitat modifications.

486
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:56,810
Next slide, questions.

487
00:48:57,590 --> 00:48:59,470
Sorry if I went too fast, please ask.

488
00:48:59,470 --> 00:49:01,490
Phil, are you finished?

489
00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:03,010
Yes, sir. Okay.

490
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:06,370
I think I'm going to open it up for public comment,

491
00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:08,250
and I can't do that.

492
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:14,750
Let's do questions first and then we'll the public might have questions do we want to just open it to the public for questions first

493
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:20,970
Usually ask questions of our consultant first and then the members the public can come forward and ask there make their comments and questions

494
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:30,150
I'll then I'll direct the council of specifically to questions. Are there any questions that we councilman through me?

495
00:49:30,330 --> 00:49:37,030
Do you have any questions just a few I just want to confirm I think you said it just a few minutes ago, but I just wanted to make sure

496
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:44,670
The fact that other untargeted species are present doesn't mean we can't do the hazing

497
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:45,750
or the modifications.

498
00:49:46,510 --> 00:49:50,090
We just have to figure, we just have to be cognizant of that to understand if we're having

499
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:51,010
an impact on them or not.

500
00:49:51,790 --> 00:49:52,670
What we're doing it.

501
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:57,650
What we're doing it, potentially select and tailor the way that you apply them if you

502
00:49:57,650 --> 00:50:01,610
notice that there are impacts or if you know there's a bird nest on the west side of

503
00:50:01,610 --> 00:50:06,430
the park, then you may avoid the west side of the park kind of thing to put it kind of

504
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:06,790
simply.

505
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:12,210
In a construction project, depending on the species of bird, if you had an active nest,

506
00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:17,350
some species of birds are more tolerant than others, and they're basically recommended buffer zones.

507
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:22,310
So in a construction project, you create a buffer zone, you'd say this is a no-work zone, however,

508
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:27,770
if you need to do work in there, you know, recommended have a biologist watching the bird so that the

509
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:33,290
biologist can say, hey, that you got too close, that's bad, or they've been offered 10 minutes,

510
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:35,930
that's they're not incubating their eggs, you need to stop what you're doing.

511
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:39,650
That kind of thing to prevent, take, which is illegal.

512
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:45,130
All right, and then with the havitat modification, is there a prohibition from,

513
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:53,450
you had mentioned that some of the landscaping that we have in our parks is conducive to other protected species that might be impacted by what we're trying to accomplish.

514
00:50:55,290 --> 00:51:02,210
I thought I heard you say that we can't necessarily do havitat modification during the nesting period of

515
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:04,370
those types of protected birds, I thought?

516
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:08,490
I would just recommend that you avoid the nesting season if you can.

517
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:15,110
However, if you can't, you should just have a biologist survey the area that you have proposed to do your mitigation project.

518
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:21,090
Most notably, if you're going to cut down a bunch of vegetation, you want to make sure there are no nests in there.

519
00:51:22,330 --> 00:51:26,910
That kind of thing, but there's not that you don't have a part note I skipped over there.

520
00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:30,670
where there was no designated critical habitat identified within your parks and

521
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:36,170
designated critical habitat for like federally listed species is protected as a habitat.

522
00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:41,210
You have no habitats that meet those qualifications, so not prevented from doing anything.

523
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:45,750
So we can change the habit, we can do habitat modification to avoid or

524
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:51,870
remove landscaping that might even be favorable to some, another protected species.

525
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:55,770
So there can make it easier for us to deal with the greater problem dealing with the geese.

526
00:51:56,570 --> 00:51:58,610
Just long enough during nesting season.

527
00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:03,270
Well, so the Migratory Bird Treaty Act species is almost every bird out there.

528
00:52:03,450 --> 00:52:07,050
So they're going to nest in every shrub you have, basically.

529
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:11,930
The protected species, most protected, is the federally threatened western snowy plover,

530
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:15,350
and to a lesser extent, the federally endangered California lease turn.

531
00:52:16,090 --> 00:52:18,750
Your sandy beaches are attractive to them.

532
00:52:19,210 --> 00:52:21,430
They're not attracted to the shrubs.

533
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:25,750
They could potentially be attracted to sandy beaches, and I don't think you want to get it.

534
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:26,630
right in your sandy beaches.

535
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:28,310
All right.

536
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:30,350
And then there was one other comment you had made.

537
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:31,710
So there was a question that goes with it.

538
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:34,770
You had mentioned about trying to cause the geese

539
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:37,010
to go to more favorable habitats,

540
00:52:37,090 --> 00:52:40,070
such as a wildlife area, which is right nearby.

541
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:40,670
Yep.

542
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:42,930
Kind of hard to send geese there.

543
00:52:43,050 --> 00:52:44,510
Do you think that the feds or the state

544
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:46,650
will prohibit hunting in those areas

545
00:52:46,650 --> 00:52:47,870
that is currently permitted?

546
00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:50,930
That would make it a little bit more desirable

547
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:51,850
for a bird to go there.

548
00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:57,250
When you start hazing, you're going to push geese somewhere.

549
00:52:57,970 --> 00:52:59,570
It's hard to tell where they're going to go.

550
00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:06,710
They're going to go to your neighbors, they're going to go to those, hopefully they go to those wildlife areas.

551
00:53:06,930 --> 00:53:13,310
But in other wildlife examples and without going into too much detail, that's been difficult to do.

552
00:53:13,530 --> 00:53:18,030
The state and the feds have been trying to attract, figure out why the geese are going to some areas,

553
00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:29,170
is figure out what food sources they're targeting and then promote those food sources basically grow the same things on the state and federal areas and it's met with varying success.

554
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:30,330
So it's imperfect.

555
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:42,630
The hunting thing, so I also think that this is the only wildlife management plan I know about in this area, in the San Francisco Bay Area.

556
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:48,930
I know there are many conflicts with other cities, you're just the first city that I know

557
00:53:48,930 --> 00:53:54,850
have to really take this on in a structured manner, build a plan and try to follow it in a scientific way.

558
00:53:55,490 --> 00:54:00,470
I think in many ways when you start implementing this, you're going to start a conversation with

559
00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:07,930
the state and federal regulatory folks in the area. And during that conversation or those conversations,

560
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:20,690
that could be broached, you know, let's say, well, why are they not, you know, our idea was that they would go to those state and federal properties, but they're not, and why are they not, you know, is it because there's something there?

561
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:32,010
Those questions could be asked of, you know, state and federal property managers and the regulatory personnel in the area, and I see nothing but good things coming from those conversations.

562
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:41,830
and I think that foster city would be starting that conversation, but I think many of your neighbors would probably join and be willing to discuss that and want to discuss that as well.

563
00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:44,990
In a very positive way, absolutely, thank you, sure.

564
00:54:49,630 --> 00:55:00,910
You mentioned sort of rolling out additional studies, so are you saying that we're not going to be, we can't maybe start tomorrow with some of these methods.

565
00:55:00,910 --> 00:55:09,730
I mean, I know that we've tried some half-hazardly, but not in a realistic, like, full way.

566
00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:13,110
So, what is the timeline and how is this going to roll out?

567
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:14,890
I mean, and this may be a question for you.

568
00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:19,610
Timeline is kind of on, it's on you guys, the city, you know, and Frank.

569
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:24,410
I think the question, if I may ask Vice Mayor Jimenez, is that we can do these methods.

570
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:30,650
I think we can implement that our plan for council in terms of our next steps is that

571
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:42,550
that we plan to bring this back sometime around February, we're going to bring back a proposal for the council with costs that will allow us to implement.

572
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:57,170
So our implementation plan we're going to bring to you and we're probably going to we're going to call it a pilot, but we're going to probably focus on on those specific, some specific parks in the city that we're going to haze.

573
00:55:57,170 --> 00:56:03,410
we're going to do habitat modification, the whole gamut, and use that as a test to then apply

574
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:08,650
to other parks as well. So that's going to be coming to the council early next year. But what

575
00:56:08,650 --> 00:56:15,010
I understood your question was, is that with this plan, we will be able to do the things that are

576
00:56:15,010 --> 00:56:16,070
listed in this plan.

577
00:56:22,690 --> 00:56:28,830
Thank you, Dan, for your report, which is pretty long. A lot of information that

578
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:33,830
We're not going to be using it in falsissity, but I appreciate the thornist for somebody who's reading it

579
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:37,050
Basically covered all the options whether they applicable or not

580
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:41,230
And your presentation you were able to bring it back to

581
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:45,710
What could be used in falsissity? What could not because as I was reading their point

582
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:51,490
You know, I don't want to propane cannon and falsissity. I don't want to bullhorn and all that kind of stuff

583
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:52,530
but

584
00:56:55,930 --> 00:56:57,170
just following up

585
00:56:57,170 --> 00:57:07,690
But whatever the council approves and will be brought back in February for specific tasks, if you will, that will be used.

586
00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:14,370
Are we talking concurrently having habitat modification as well as hazing at the same time?

587
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:44,350
I would recommend that but so the Frank and Derrick have talked about the parks master plan in integrating some of these recommendations to kind of make the area less suitable to Canada geese into the master plan so I think it just comes down to how feasible that is I wouldn't necessarily recommend holding off on hazing until you can implement some some habitat modifications but I would recommend that you move towards habitat modification as fast as possible.

588
00:57:44,370 --> 00:58:14,350
One thing that I didn't really point a finger at, the seven parks, an important part of that was not just that the parks were on the water, but it's a feasible amount of terrain that you could begin to haze and begin to plan habitat modification within you have 24 city parks, it's kind of it's definitely possible but the personnel level to do it and the cost would be really high and that I think an important step is testing, evaluating what works well.

589
00:58:14,350 --> 00:58:16,590
what doesn't work, you know, so you don't waste your time

590
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:17,510
and money, so.

591
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:18,810
Thank you.

592
00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:20,750
Well, I'm glad to see it seems like

593
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:22,930
from your presentation, at least you started really,

594
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:26,430
from what I believe is the main thing,

595
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:28,790
which is habitat modification,

596
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:33,750
because the end of the day, these animals come in

597
00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:36,830
to eat, if they have food,

598
00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:39,490
and that's what they do all day grazing

599
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:41,190
and, you know, doing their thing.

600
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:50,070
So until that has been done, and it's going to take some time, and it's going to be also very thoughtful approach how to do it.

601
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:56,490
I don't think you're going to get anywhere. The hazing is a supplemental step.

602
00:58:58,010 --> 00:59:05,230
But question probably for staff, you know there, I know you're doing a pilot on those few parts that you have identified.

603
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:11,370
Would you be expanding this eventually find out from the lessons learned and what works?

604
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:16,790
Would you be recommending some to private property like I'll give you a case on point?

605
00:59:18,270 --> 00:59:25,410
Fossil's landing on fossil city boulevard unboundary. They attract as much Canada geese as you would get in Llorion and

606
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:29,450
Like 30 40 at some points

607
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:39,170
The reason I raised this is because if you are successful in some parts of the city and they still have a place that they think this is a great place.

608
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:51,850
So you really, in a way, you're not getting rid of them to the expectation that you want, because they just moved from one section of the city to another section of the city.

609
00:59:52,070 --> 00:59:54,650
You know what I'm talking about, passes on a huge open space.

610
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:58,090
I could add two tidbits to that. Sorry, were you done?

611
00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:58,990
No, no, please, go ahead.

612
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,500
That if you're prioritizing based on what's feasible cost wise, you know, that figuring out what your highest priority area is. And we assume that some of the highest priority areas were the, were the parks that are on the water, where E. coli is being found in the water. And it's thought to be because of candidates primarily. And that because of the E. coli presence, you're making recommendations to not use the water. And that's, you know, not use the beaches. And if that is, is a very high priority, then I would target the,

613
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:34,700
the parks on the water, and I would target keeping the geese out of the lagoon as much as possible.

614
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:41,360
And then maybe behind that, I would target sports fields that are used by kids, especially,

615
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:45,940
because of the goose species that presidents could be a disease concern.

616
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:53,070
So I would start with those things and however you guys prioritize within those kind of areas and

617
01:00:53,070 --> 01:01:00,230
Okay. So I just want to make sure I understand because Council Member Frueman asking questions

618
01:01:00,230 --> 01:01:12,630
from what I understood as far as habitat modification is the idea to modify the open space

619
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:19,430
and give that line of sight to the geese rather than going on the existing bushes and different

620
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:24,230
and plans that we have getting rid of them and be doing something else.

621
01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:34,270
Are you thinking about modifying that open space rather than the planted space?

622
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:38,050
It depends on where your current planners are positioned.

623
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:43,230
It's definitely an option to replace planners that have very short shrubs and

624
01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:46,130
sparse shrubs with gaps in between them with something taller.

625
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:49,850
You know, depending on the positioning of the specific planners.

626
01:01:50,330 --> 01:01:52,210
And we went kind of fast through one of those slides.

627
01:01:52,210 --> 01:01:59,770
There's a map, though, where we had some purple circles and we had some yellow lines that were just kind of examples for a few of the parks.

628
01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:04,350
The purple circles are examples of where islands could be placed.

629
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:11,730
And then, if it seemed feasible, put like a head row along the edge of a walkway or

630
01:02:11,730 --> 01:02:16,930
something where it seems to be, it wouldn't impede human uses of the park.

631
01:02:17,830 --> 01:02:25,770
Another one that may work is the back of your beaches, several of the beaches have like a four foot chain link fence at the back of those beaches.

632
01:02:26,350 --> 01:02:30,290
And so just creating that fence, the geese can see through it.

633
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:40,030
If you create a visual obstruction along there and it may be as simple as like cloth, like privacy fence type material attached to that fence.

634
01:02:40,030 --> 01:02:44,890
and that wouldn't look awesome, but you could replace that with vegetation over the long

635
01:02:44,890 --> 01:02:48,190
term, but vegetation may take a little while to get tall enough and thick enough.

636
01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:55,790
So I think that that will make geese coming ashore onto that beach if they can only see

637
01:02:55,790 --> 01:03:00,070
30 feet and they don't know what's on the other side of that visual obstruction that may

638
01:03:00,070 --> 01:03:01,210
have an impact right there.

639
01:03:01,730 --> 01:03:06,150
But again, what I recommend is applying some of these things, coming up with a structured

640
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:21,210
way and a feasible way to apply some of these things and then continue to monitor which is watching the geese and what they do and then, you know, improving, evaluating the success and then improving on it wherever you can.

641
01:03:21,970 --> 01:03:29,130
And then this question to staff, I think, and the spirit of efficiency and cost effectiveness that you mentioned down.

642
01:03:29,770 --> 01:03:33,810
I think if you're looking at type of that modification which we are and we should.

643
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:42,490
But I think it behooves us to have that part of your master, park master plan as you are working on it.

644
01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:44,390
Is that a plan or what?

645
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:47,250
Yeah, Councilmember Hindi, thank you for that question, I appreciate that.

646
01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:53,530
One of the things that we've been very methodical about with all of these plans is that they inform one another.

647
01:03:54,190 --> 01:03:59,530
And we, at the very beginning of establishing this work, we knew that the park's master plan.

648
01:03:59,530 --> 01:04:28,030
And so we're working with the consultants as well, with all of the future modifications of if we do a renovation of the parts how can we improve the landscape, I'll give you a perfect example, the landscaping, the new landscaping for the new Foster City Community Center takes into account mitigation for geese that reduces the food sources as well as provides the proper plants as described by Daniel here of what we want to do with that.

649
01:04:28,030 --> 01:04:30,150
And so we're already starting to incorporate that.

650
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:33,250
But you realize with Habitat, we're here for the long term.

651
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:38,350
This is not a short term solution, it could be potentially an expensive solution.

652
01:04:38,650 --> 01:04:44,710
But over a period of time, as part of our normal maintenance as well as our capital projects and so forth,

653
01:04:44,890 --> 01:04:46,730
we can begin to make those changes.

654
01:04:47,350 --> 01:04:51,430
I don't have photos with you today, but if you've ever been out to Katamaran Park,

655
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:57,530
good example there was, we have the fence line and we have the field where the geese can see.

656
01:04:58,170 --> 01:05:04,630
Staff, when we were replacing shrubs or replacing plants, we replaced it with tall grass.

657
01:05:05,370 --> 01:05:08,990
And it's very attractive, looking, it looks perfectly, it's native.

658
01:05:09,630 --> 01:05:16,350
And that will be an opportunity for us to create these habitat modifications, but

659
01:05:16,350 --> 01:05:18,030
be thoughtful every time we do that.

660
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:18,770
So that's the plan.

661
01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:25,610
Wonderful. Thank you. I'm going to continue because these are important for me at least and I know members of the public

662
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:34,650
You talked about malting season. How how long is it about a month about a month so

663
01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:40,130
Obviously during malting season the birds cannot fly so

664
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:43,230
let's say we do in hazing

665
01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:50,690
Who hazing them from the field where they are feeding and they go to the water because

666
01:05:50,790 --> 01:05:53,070
That's where they hide from their predators, as you mentioned.

667
01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:56,250
How do you move them out at town during that month?

668
01:05:57,950 --> 01:06:05,390
That's really tough because they're going to, I mean, you could follow them all the way down the lagoon until your lagoon meets

669
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:11,110
a levy and push them over into the bay, but that's extremely difficult.

670
01:06:11,590 --> 01:06:20,410
A better strategy in what I'd recommend would be to, if you have, you know, staff monitoring the

671
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:27,250
And as it gets closer to the mold, I would really try to keep them from getting into your parks before they mold.

672
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:32,690
While they can still fly, push them elsewhere until they mold so that you don't end up.

673
01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:39,130
And you may again have to prioritize certain parks, you may prioritize where the conflict has been greatest.

674
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:43,750
And from what I've been told, Leo Ryan was a really big conflict during the mold season.

675
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:51,290
So, yeah, prioritizing the areas, depending on, you know, your hazing capabilities, how much, you know, staffing capability you have.

676
01:06:51,870 --> 01:06:54,270
I think that's the best strategy.

677
01:06:54,770 --> 01:07:05,210
Okay. In your report, you didn't get too much into it in your presentation, but in your report, you do mention what you believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I understood.

678
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:13,650
That's one of the most effective hazing method is kind of remote devices, such as maybe drones or something similar to that effect.

679
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:14,930
Is that kind of thing on that?

680
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:15,210
Yes.

681
01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:18,130
So that simulates a predator, right?

682
01:07:18,290 --> 01:07:23,870
And there are actually some remote control devices that are built to, they look a little cheesy, but look like a predator.

683
01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:32,170
And what that remote control device can allow you to do is close the gap and get close to them and invade their space,

684
01:07:32,170 --> 01:07:36,890
which is different than other methods that are applied from a distance.

685
01:07:37,390 --> 01:07:44,170
So you really increase the threat to them very quickly, as well as some of the remote control devices that are amphibious.

686
01:07:44,510 --> 01:07:51,590
An important part of goose ecology is moving from the land into the water to get away from the predator, whatever.

687
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:56,550
And one of the examples of a hazing method are trained dogs.

688
01:07:56,550 --> 01:08:14,290
dogs, and dogs, for instance, if they pursue Canada geese into the water, the geese have the upper hand, and they've actually attacked dogs, so you need to take away both the land and the water as a safe space so that they don't just go from the land to the water, and then when you leave, they come back to the land.

689
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:22,530
You want the whole area to be unsafe, in addition to, you don't want them in the water anyways, if, you know, they are the source of the E. coli.

690
01:08:22,530 --> 01:08:30,330
So, I mean, it appears to me, and I'm asking you, I don't know, that if you are using

691
01:08:30,330 --> 01:08:36,450
your remote devices, such as drone, to haze them from the open field, and they go to

692
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:43,730
water, continue with the same devices, again, and the water, follow them, basically, right?

693
01:08:43,830 --> 01:08:48,190
I mean, these are remote devices, you have to have camera on your device for your drones.

694
01:08:50,310 --> 01:08:56,770
And I've seen pictures and I've seen I think somebody sent us to council some drones with

695
01:08:56,770 --> 01:09:05,690
these like eagle, eagle, basically what appears to be something as a predator, right?

696
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:11,830
And I think those would seem to be affected because you basically put them on top of them and

697
01:09:11,830 --> 01:09:17,690
like the dog, but you are really somebody with a remote and seen it live and what they need

698
01:09:17,690 --> 01:09:24,890
to do. But so you did cover I think what I think the most two of the most important thing

699
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:31,350
habitat modification and hazing but I didn't hear a lot from you about what I believe is another

700
01:09:31,350 --> 01:09:36,310
component in there because I believe this is a really three-pronged approach should be which is

701
01:09:36,310 --> 01:09:42,950
addling so that's a long-term solution that you're not going to see the fruits of it in a year or two

702
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:46,670
Yeah, but I think if you don't if we don't do that

703
01:09:46,670 --> 01:09:51,050
We're really this is going to be an ongoing process with now with real

704
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:58,490
Not that I'm not gonna say not effective, but you're really not getting to the root of the issue

705
01:09:58,490 --> 01:10:01,710
Which is reducing that population somehow, right?

706
01:10:01,930 --> 01:10:04,670
He's just moving it. Yeah, and if you

707
01:10:05,190 --> 01:10:09,190
Slug off a little bit and you're hazing on any other stuff. They will be back

708
01:10:09,190 --> 01:10:10,430
They based at the end of the day

709
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:14,990
They're looking for some food and some place to do their population to the good girl

710
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:21,570
You're 100% correct and I just didn't talk about that a lot, it was all one of my slides and definitely in the report.

711
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:28,470
One of the reasons I was trying to move kind of quickly and talk to you about what you wanted to talk about or I thought you want to talk about.

712
01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:35,070
Another piece of that is that from the information I have right now, there aren't many geese nesting in the city.

713
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:41,190
You would want to keep monitoring for that because an important part of kind of breaking the cycle,

714
01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:45,350
Canada geese that are born in this, wherever they're born, they imprint on that location.

715
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:49,430
They will come back there and when they are breeding age, they are going to lay a nest there

716
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:56,230
and try to raise their young there. And so one of the important pieces of like your hazing

717
01:10:56,230 --> 01:11:01,550
and laptop modification and just overall conflict mitigation is to try to break that cycle so that

718
01:11:01,550 --> 01:11:07,130
you no longer have geese that are definitely that are born in the city. But in addition to that,

719
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:18,470
But I think that because we don't think many of them are hatched within the city instead they're hatched nearby probably most likely at Bear Island because it's so close and it's just really good habitat.

720
01:11:19,370 --> 01:11:35,490
And I know that you're already doing egg outling and oiling and reproductive control there and absolutely recommend keep doing that as well as to continue to be vigilant for nesting geese and put the word out to your citizens as well as have your staff watching for that.

721
01:11:35,490 --> 01:11:40,990
And then, you know, any contracted hazing staff or whatever you end up doing, watching for geese,

722
01:11:41,150 --> 01:11:46,830
addling, or you can either addle so you can dip them in oil so they don't hatch, which means

723
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:50,910
that the goose will sit on those eggs until they think that they're not going to hatch.

724
01:11:51,190 --> 01:11:53,750
That's one strategy, or you just take them away.

725
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:57,410
If you just take the eggs away, they may re-nest in that area.

726
01:11:57,670 --> 01:12:01,610
And so if they were trying to go back into the same area, that's where you could apply the lights

727
01:12:01,610 --> 01:12:06,670
or some of the Mylar, a balloon, you just make that area not look safe anymore.

728
01:12:07,090 --> 01:12:15,810
You could move along, or make it change the vegetation structure so it doesn't seem safe to them, but yeah, absolutely keep up with that.

729
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:17,490
Thank you. Well, thank you for that information.

730
01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:27,850
How would you go about looking for a nest, or how would you recommend to the city, look for a nest, is it going to be drones?

731
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:35,250
You're absolutely right, Bear Island is where most of them are happening now, but there have been some nest found in

732
01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:41,370
Fossil City, the gentlemen who have been working on Adling eggs for us. We have currently a

733
01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:47,210
Team of one. Yeah, and that he wanted to retire. I

734
01:12:47,210 --> 01:12:52,050
Would think I would love to hear your professional opinion that yeah, that number should be

735
01:12:53,290 --> 01:12:57,290
At least five times bigger if not more during that season to

736
01:12:57,850 --> 01:13:05,130
to be a little bit more effective, but the other thing that I think would like to know

737
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:11,690
what method do we have other than someone calling, hey, I see an egg, a nest,

738
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:17,470
how do you even know it's, you know, let's we see the goose sitting on it, how it's a goose nest.

739
01:13:17,570 --> 01:13:22,430
Well, that is a good indicator, the goose, their head is usually up and then the females typically

740
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:29,410
Typically on the nest, the male will be standing guard not too far away and very vigilant, they call them sentinels, you know, they'll be watching.

741
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:38,850
So, that should be, look like next to wetland or next to water and should be thickly vegetated, like weed looking stuff, you know.

742
01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:42,550
And the only, I haven't been everywhere in your city, I've been a lot of places.

743
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:51,290
There aren't a lot of areas that meet those criteria, I mean, it could be, it's less likely to be but in just like overgrown lawn.

744
01:13:51,290 --> 01:14:00,490
but I've seen over next to sea cloud park closer to the levee, there's like a flood control area, that definitely could be goose nesting.

745
01:14:01,530 --> 01:14:05,090
So maybe identify some of those areas and then check them regularly.

746
01:14:05,310 --> 01:14:11,050
Whether that's feasible to do with your staff, or if you have somebody contracted to do that.

747
01:14:11,550 --> 01:14:15,010
Another way, and I mean, you could contract somebody to do everything.

748
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:20,710
It just depends on how much personnel time you want to pay for, basically.

749
01:14:20,710 --> 01:14:44,050
But you could try to do citizen science stuff, get your citizens involved, if you know that they're citizens that are particularly vocal about having a problem with geese, or you know that there's an area that has potential for goose nesting this over where somebody lives, and they can walk their dog there, whatever, ask them to look regularly and potentially report.

750
01:14:44,050 --> 01:14:51,110
You know that was we kind of that's one section in our management plan is to engage the public, you know and do so appropriately

751
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:59,050
And it depends on how involved they want to be, you know, but you could in keep involved with social media posts you could have meetings

752
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,440
Whatever, and talk to them and teach them what to look for, you know, is one option, or you can contract it, or you can have your staff. But looking pretty frequently during the time of, you know, the time of when you expect them to lay eggs, you know, is an important part of that. There is a depredation order allowed that allows for all of that. So you don't even need your separate depredation permit for that. And that's how well documented the conflicts of Kennedy Geesar. And I think that

753
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:41,540
And that is part of a bigger regional, Southern San Francisco Bay conversation that I kind of pointed the finger at with the regulatory and the land managers for the same federal side.

754
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:55,140
I really think that there needs to be more effort kind of in the region, to collectively control Canada geese to prevent these conflicts before they start.

755
01:15:55,140 --> 01:16:15,100
So that would be I think my suggestion to staff is part of your public outreach and education is perhaps to produce a video informing the public how to identify and how to look for a nest and with samples and something that people could really see.

756
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:24,080
And I know a lot of member of the public really are interested in being a part of that solution of what we are trying to do.

757
01:16:24,260 --> 01:16:32,160
And I'm sure they will at least volunteer when they see something like that to report the staff and so forth.

758
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:36,760
But then you would have to have staff ready to go take it probably.

759
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,360
I wouldn't recommend you have the-

760
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:44,020
Correct, just to identify them and report the location.

761
01:16:46,240 --> 01:17:01,780
But I think, for staff, I think really we need to, I don't know how you can survey, and I would imagine from there would be the best way to survey if there are anyness and how to look for them, but I don't know.

762
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,880
I mean, I don't know what you're taking on that.

763
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:14,200
I mean, in addition to the residents telling you, but you want to have a more professional way of doing it rather than just depending on volunteers calling A, we found a nest.

764
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:27,440
Yeah, I'd recommend that and creating a schedule and identify areas you're going to search, you know, and if we were to do the Bear Island nest searching, we would try to do it with a drone.

765
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:35,480
I think you have a city ordinance against flying drones, and then San Francisco International Airport is nearby,

766
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,620
so there's some things you've got to work through there, but I don't think anything is really preventative.

767
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:41,320
But-

768
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:42,580
Well, here's an idea.

769
01:17:43,180 --> 01:17:48,640
I think our PD and other PDs in the county as well as fire department are using drones.

770
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:54,300
Why don't we bring them here to do their training and you know, do that surveillance for us?

771
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:54,720
I don't know.

772
01:17:54,720 --> 01:18:02,120
I mean, that might be something they get to be their training and you get what you're actually looking for something, right?

773
01:18:03,820 --> 01:18:09,220
If I may, I just want to point out, we're still on clarifying questions for the consultants before we go to deliberations or.

774
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:13,620
Okay. All right, no problem. All right, well, I'm all done anyways. Thank you.

775
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:28,240
I mean, are we shooting for a reduction in the number of keys to 10% say or zero?

776
01:18:29,820 --> 01:18:34,960
The answer to that comes from you and your citizens.

777
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,220
What level is the conflict tolerable or acceptable?

778
01:18:40,220 --> 01:18:44,320
You know, but zero is taut, it is attainable.

779
01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:51,700
Yeah, it would, it's going to be a lot of multi-pronged effort and it's going to take

780
01:18:51,700 --> 01:18:57,100
a while, you know, but I'm not going to say it's impossible, it would be tough.

781
01:18:58,420 --> 01:19:01,860
Some of that depends on the other properties around you.

782
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:09,000
All you have to do, so when you haze the geese repeatedly, that becomes energetically

783
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:14,920
expensive to them. And so if life is better over there, they'll go over there, you know.

784
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:22,720
And there are a lot of city parks, sports fields, properties all around you plus, you know,

785
01:19:23,140 --> 01:19:27,040
the wildlife areas. So hopefully they'll go to the wildlife areas and not to their neighbors,

786
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:33,080
but so I absolutely think, you know, because there are so many areas for them to go that if

787
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:42,860
If you create, you know, your parks and especially your priority parks as scary places to be from the hazing perspective that they should leave.

788
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:53,340
And then even more so, if successful habitat modifications are implemented and some of the habitat modifications are going to be more feasible in some parks than others.

789
01:19:53,340 --> 01:19:56,880
your sports fields, if they're grass sports fields, that's a

790
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,880
you can't modify those, you know, unless you you go to

791
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:04,140
something like turf, you know, and the geese may still land

792
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:07,300
there, but at least it's not food for them. So you have

793
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:10,800
more potential to modify habitat in some of especially the

794
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,200
smaller parks. So if you identify successful methods in those

795
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,340
parks, you might just take a whole bunch of them off the list

796
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:21,060
and they're just no longer desirable for candidate geese and

797
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:25,400
more that you take off the list, and then the more hazing you apply on the other areas,

798
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,180
it becomes more and more feasible to reduce their presence.

799
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:30,640
Thank you.

800
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:39,160
Okay, another one is I want to support what Sam has said about fosters landing.

801
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:43,200
There's a long strip of grass between Polynesia and Bounty.

802
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:49,380
And as you just said, they'll find some other place.

803
01:20:49,380 --> 01:20:56,500
And that is a place but it doesn't have water, you know, it's not, they don't have the access to the water, but it's quite open.

804
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:04,340
So I want to echo that we make sure that that gets somehow on the list of something to observe.

805
01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:15,890
Is the staff report itself, we asked him questions or just the staff report itself?

806
01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:18,550
Both? Both?

807
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:18,630
Both?

808
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:20,670
Sultans or staff are available to answer questions.

809
01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:24,350
Because in the staff report talks about where the lead agency.

810
01:21:24,930 --> 01:21:26,090
What is that in tail?

811
01:21:26,850 --> 01:21:31,090
It's a formality for the Sequa, for the California Environmental Quality Act.

812
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:32,790
You are the representative, you know?

813
01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:34,930
Does that?

814
01:21:35,230 --> 01:21:41,790
When you say lead agency, though, of like agencies, or where the P.O.C.

815
01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:56,910
Agency for this project, and through sequence a proposed project with the project description, and then all the identified kind of environmental variables and mitigation measures that came along with that proposed project.

816
01:21:57,170 --> 01:22:09,230
So you, the city, are the lead agency saying we're going to start this project, we're initiating the California Environmental Quality Act review, and then it goes through a public review period.

817
01:22:09,230 --> 01:22:09,590
And then-

818
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:10,710
Oh, the secret process, yeah.

819
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:13,670
And then they, so it's short answer, I guess,

820
01:22:13,810 --> 01:22:15,230
it's completely related to the secret process.

821
01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:21,770
Okay, I just want to make, because they're definition really wasn't in the staff report, but that's staff report.

822
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:31,340
Did you meant, and I recall that, did you mention that you'd had talked to other agencies?

823
01:22:31,940 --> 01:22:34,220
I agency, other municipalities?

824
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,980
I reached out to several that had management plans that were available on the internet.

825
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:48,640
And so, and a big one is, um, band Oregon, um, and then there was another one in Ohio and I talked to them just to ask.

826
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,380
But when in the Bay Area?

827
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:51,900
Oh, yes.

828
01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:54,000
Yeah, you're not talking about the words you mean.

829
01:22:54,020 --> 01:23:05,160
I could not find, no, I didn't, didn't have, um, couldn't find contact information basically for specific people that it was obvious that they had a management plan and program.

830
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:19,900
I know of some more if you're interested, but I've kind of just come across that information sense, but there are some other city parks elsewhere in the Bay that are doing some management, just none of them that I know of have a management plan.

831
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:22,880
Yeah, because I know, I mean, firsthand, I'm a golfer.

832
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:23,460
Yep.

833
01:23:23,460 --> 01:23:36,480
And every golf course that is on the bay and in fact I think they fly, they follow me from the foster city to the east bay, to the south bay.

834
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:46,620
I mean, I'm being facetious but so if we get rid of the grease, they don't come here anymore.

835
01:23:47,220 --> 01:23:49,820
So they pick up the homestead and move.

836
01:23:49,820 --> 01:23:54,420
move, that's going to take them over to somewhere else,

837
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,820
the population is going to grow somewhere

838
01:23:59,820 --> 01:24:09,820
else. And aren't we, without a regional plan, are we just barking up the tree of chasing

839
01:24:09,820 --> 01:24:12,340
our tail, going around and around?

840
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:17,620
Immediately you're solving your conflicts with Canada geese, but I absolutely recommend

841
01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:23,360
the regional, you know, approach and discussion, I think a good way to start that is, you know,

842
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,560
you have a plan now is to start implementing the plan and I think every, you know, you're

843
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,520
going to have more people contacting and asking questions. How's it working, you know, you know,

844
01:24:32,180 --> 01:24:38,700
what's working, what's not working, you know, and if more of those entities say, oh, look

845
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:44,040
a foster city's doing, this is great, you know, we also have a problem. They either are going to

846
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,720
to complain to those agency folks, or they're gonna pursue their own plan.

847
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:55,020
And as both of those things happen more in more areas with more cities or people with conflict,

848
01:24:55,660 --> 01:25:02,740
I think then the agencies, it'll become, it will kind of force a regional conversation is what I expect to happen.

849
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:12,040
How far, I guess leaves, we end up pushing them out, how large is their habitat?

850
01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:15,660
Could the East Bay be part of their habitat?

851
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:18,560
Yes, they definitely can fly that way.

852
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,780
They fly, you know, to Canada to breed.

853
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,420
No, I don't mean the migration, I'm talking about that.

854
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:23,580
Right.

855
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:24,740
So it depends.

856
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:29,740
It's home range, the area that wildlife use depends on resource availability.

857
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,380
And sometimes it varies by different times of the year.

858
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,720
If they have to go farther to find food or they have to go farther to find cover,

859
01:25:36,900 --> 01:25:41,100
they have a larger home range or at least a temporarily a larger home range.

860
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:43,240
So that's absolutely possible.

861
01:25:44,420 --> 01:25:49,220
I just don't know enough about how geese move around this area right now.

862
01:25:49,460 --> 01:25:52,020
And one of the things we added in your plan is, you know,

863
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:59,080
that GPS and satellite transmitters put on wildlife now are really like providing a lot of information

864
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,520
that we didn't know as wildlife biologists and scientists, you know.

865
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,100
And so learning and being able to specifically answer questions like that, you know,

866
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:12,800
put a GPS tracker on an animal and watch it on your phone, you know, where it goes

867
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:18,000
here and there. And that would be advantageous, even in your city, you know, where you could

868
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:23,360
say, okay, well, what happens when we disperse geese from Goal Park? Where do they go, you

869
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:29,660
know? And unfortunately, if they're not marked, if they're not wearing, so geese, you put

870
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:34,260
like a neck collar with like a letter and a number on it, or maybe a leg band that can

871
01:26:34,260 --> 01:26:35,520
be readable from a distance.

872
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:41,320
So number 12 was at Goal Park and then somebody says, oh, I saw number 12 over at Birken

873
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,680
Brack, like 20 minutes after you were there, that helps to provide more information.

874
01:26:47,540 --> 01:26:52,600
And GPS transfer would do that without somebody reciting it, it just tracks that individual.

875
01:26:53,520 --> 01:27:02,320
Okay, another one is how much education would we have to do for staff to become proficient

876
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:12,100
enough to identify habitat, identify eggs, identify nests, and I'm whatever the list entails.

877
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:21,000
For Canada geese, to identify nests, it's a Canada goose nest, it's a little simpler.

878
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:26,740
There are fewer other species that would have an egg that size in the area.

879
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,900
I still wouldn't, it gets a little sticky.

880
01:27:30,900 --> 01:27:51,620
You know, if you're talking about the Canada goose, it's a little bit simpler and straight forward than the other migratory bird treaty act protected species that I mentioned that could have, you know, it takes a lot of training to really be able to identify those and to assess their behavior and specifically from a construction and development perspective.

881
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:58,900
There's usually an agency that kind of oversees like a proposed project through this equal process or something similar.

882
01:27:58,900 --> 01:28:22,740
And, you know, California Fish and Wildlife is often the agency that's kind of reviewing the project and they may review resumes of the people that are doing the surveys and typically they want a biological sciences are related four year degree and some number of hours of experience doing that exact survey type with those species.

883
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:29,760
So, it'd be difficult to train your staff to that level of kind of nesting bird surveys.

884
01:28:30,380 --> 01:28:35,360
Canada Goose nests may be a little bit easier.

885
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:38,120
Good, thank you.

886
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,820
Okay, I have a series of questions.

887
01:28:41,860 --> 01:28:47,640
First of all, I appreciate Frank and Dan, your first opening comments were real first shout out into things.

888
01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:48,840
It's a regional.

889
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:54,780
And when I kind of appreciate the report and all the options that we had.

890
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:01,000
And I kind of almost think we could be a poster child to helping solve the Bay Area, Canadian Geese.

891
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:05,880
But with that said, I want to stick focused with your report and your recommendations.

892
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:16,480
I had some concern, Councilman, our product point of what do we want to lessen the population.

893
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:24,180
I noticed from 2020 to present, it appeared to me in a report kind of predicts that the population tripled.

894
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:34,640
So I was wondering, there would have to be some kind of study to understand why that population tripled or so.

895
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:41,800
But when we talk regional, we have San Mateo, we have Redwood Shores, and we have Redwood City.

896
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:50,400
So whatever criteria we'd work with and I'm looking at your recommendations and the parks recommendation with working with the seven parks

897
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:59,020
It would appear that we could solve some of the problems only by pushing them out and if we push them out

898
01:29:59,020 --> 01:29:59,960
That's going to mean

899
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,840
I mean, it's going to have a little bit more out there at Coyote Point call, of course, more Redwood shores. So in essence, we could solve our problem possibly. And then I was looking because one of my questions was the criteria that you had on page 317 on how do we establish that we did something. And by God, you know, if you look at the criteria, yeah, we did something for foster city, didn't we? So I mean, but again,

900
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,300
And is it just Foster City?

901
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:37,940
So you guys are the experts, I'm kind of getting a feeling that we need to look big picture

902
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:42,940
if we're going to solve it because we could solve it in this little city and push the

903
01:30:42,940 --> 01:30:43,360
birds out.

904
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:47,920
And I kind of regress when I think of the Canadian geese, I grew up in daily city.

905
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:53,360
One of my field trips for my parents taking me was to see the migration of the Canadian geese.

906
01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:55,820
And where their habitat was, was crystal springs.

907
01:30:55,820 --> 01:31:02,260
So, before Foster City was even built, they were all going migrating back to Canada, you

908
01:31:02,260 --> 01:31:02,420
know.

909
01:31:02,660 --> 01:31:06,620
But, you know, they don't want to go back to Canada, so they're here, so we have to deal

910
01:31:06,620 --> 01:31:07,440
with it regionally.

911
01:31:07,480 --> 01:31:07,580
Right.

912
01:31:08,660 --> 01:31:17,920
So, I'm just kind of curious in your reports, you've given us an answer to what we could

913
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:22,200
do to temporarily look at, but it's not really solving the problem.

914
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:28,140
It might solve the problem for Foster City, and I don't think we want to alter our grass out and all that.

915
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:37,180
Now, the other criteria, on the proposal that we have with Foster City, is this a six month or is this a year?

916
01:31:38,780 --> 01:31:42,580
Where would we really end up having that we can actually have results?

917
01:31:45,130 --> 01:31:52,850
How results, you know, a noticeable change, I mean, so what identify criteria, what's

918
01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:53,710
important to you?

919
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:58,570
And I would begin applying methods, and so if we start with the seven parks, it would

920
01:31:58,570 --> 01:32:03,230
just be a reduction in presence of geese in those seven parks, and it would be what methods

921
01:32:03,230 --> 01:32:05,630
were successful in affecting that change.

922
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:11,670
And that in a way could be used to create a blueprint for what can be used in other parks.

923
01:32:11,670 --> 01:32:17,050
Now, so regarding the regional thing, once you create a blueprint that worked in your

924
01:32:17,050 --> 01:32:22,830
parks, your fellow neighbors, if they begin having issues or they already had issues, they

925
01:32:22,830 --> 01:32:29,550
can take your blueprint test and evaluate whether that also works in their parks.

926
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:34,510
I think the regional conversation, if you try to jump first to the regional conversation,

927
01:32:35,350 --> 01:32:39,230
it might not go anywhere and you're stuck with the problem.

928
01:32:39,230 --> 01:33:03,090
But one of the parts of really sort of catalyzing or starting that, that regional conversation is collecting, you already have some information you now have a plan, but as you begin testing things and identify what works, what doesn't work and especially if you identify more things that don't work, then there is a greater need for kind of a more regional conversation.

929
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:10,730
Where I'm going with that before two council members were on that, we did have that discussion.

930
01:33:11,290 --> 01:33:16,070
And we did have some interest regionally from the county and from the federal government.

931
01:33:16,230 --> 01:33:19,310
So I think it's important when I was listening to your methods.

932
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:24,730
I was quite impressed with the drones and all the things the innovation you could have there.

933
01:33:25,290 --> 01:33:27,350
Now we kind of learned a lesson in the city.

934
01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:31,190
If we don't go out and ask the money before we do it.

935
01:33:31,190 --> 01:33:35,010
So guess what, the federal government doesn't come in and help you and neither will the county.

936
01:33:35,470 --> 01:33:40,430
So I myself personally want to see the discussion on the regional thing.

937
01:33:40,590 --> 01:33:43,210
But what you guys had information was phenomenal.

938
01:33:43,810 --> 01:33:51,350
I mean, if we could allow for the drones and the drones could do it, we could be helping San Mateo,

939
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:52,870
we could be helping Redwood shores.

940
01:33:53,410 --> 01:33:55,410
So I found the information you had.

941
01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:56,950
Of course, we have to look in our budget here.

942
01:33:57,250 --> 01:33:58,610
We don't want to spend too much money.

943
01:33:58,610 --> 01:34:03,530
But then again, do we want to push him down to Sam and Taylor Redwood's shores and we solve it our problem?

944
01:34:03,550 --> 01:34:05,150
Mayor, if I may, can we stick to questions?

945
01:34:05,570 --> 01:34:08,350
Yeah, so I'm okay, I appreciate it, sorry to go to it.

946
01:34:08,650 --> 01:34:14,250
So, do you think in the longer and the regional approach would probably be that much more?

947
01:34:15,370 --> 01:34:16,450
Definitely, okay.

948
01:34:16,650 --> 01:34:21,850
Definitely, and I don't see any other way to start it by kind of leading the way.

949
01:34:22,270 --> 01:34:24,550
And so that's what I recommend.

950
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:28,990
And certainly if you decide to hire us to be a part of that,

951
01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:34,270
I will help you open those conversations and help you help as many people as we can.

952
01:34:35,050 --> 01:34:38,110
But we got to start somewhere, right now you have a plan.

953
01:34:38,510 --> 01:34:41,590
It has a lot of information, it's on paper, but

954
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:49,650
I think starting to kind of prove and identify what works and what doesn't work moving forward on the ground is logical next steps.

955
01:34:49,650 --> 01:34:54,630
One of the criteria is that I'm a little more critical on this question, maybe it is the

956
01:34:54,630 --> 01:34:56,870
E. Coalite in the water.

957
01:34:57,590 --> 01:35:01,410
If you look at the reports, it doesn't distinguish between geese.

958
01:35:01,570 --> 01:35:02,810
It says birdfowl.

959
01:35:03,050 --> 01:35:10,650
So is there any way that we could necessarily, I guess you can analyze birdfowl and

960
01:35:10,650 --> 01:35:13,410
say whether it's geese or pigeon or pelican and stuff like that.

961
01:35:13,570 --> 01:35:18,950
But I see that, that's a major reason why a lot of people in this town are very upset

962
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:24,250
set with the geese and the kids getting on their uniforms or whatever.

963
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:31,690
So very upset and the strong indication that it looks like the water and the shoreline is polluted.

964
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:39,190
Now, any part of the criteria or what they could maybe evaluate that a little bit differently?

965
01:35:39,690 --> 01:35:42,510
Frank was talking to the water quality folks.

966
01:35:42,710 --> 01:35:43,490
What did they tell you?

967
01:35:43,530 --> 01:35:45,310
I'm not a water quality testing expert.

968
01:35:45,770 --> 01:35:50,830
There are things called EDNA, you can test for DNA and in things like water sources now

969
01:35:50,830 --> 01:35:53,450
and even in streams, were they not able to narrow?

970
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:56,570
I know the report said water birds are similar species.

971
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:59,110
Yeah, I believe they did do some sort of DNA testing.

972
01:35:59,390 --> 01:36:03,810
I believe it was part of the looking management plan, but there was some DNA testing

973
01:36:03,810 --> 01:36:08,110
and they did identify geese dogs and one main thing they were looking

974
01:36:08,110 --> 01:36:11,870
for they did not identify any human, so there has been some testing done.

975
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:16,770
So, is that a percentage, I mean, based on that, is that a percentage of geese or animals?

976
01:36:17,050 --> 01:36:24,290
So, I didn't give us any sort of number at basically just so that there were markers from that specific species found in the water.

977
01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:25,090
Okay.

978
01:36:25,450 --> 01:36:27,250
Well, it'd be an interesting food for thought.

979
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:32,750
We'd hate to think it's always the geese that's caused the pollution in our water, and it's not totally them too.

980
01:36:32,970 --> 01:36:37,790
Just a side note, Canada geese can poop up to three pounds per day, that's an awful lot.

981
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:57,070
But the little that I've been in your parks doing surveys, I don't see a lot of other birds out there that really match the number of birds that, you know, the number of candidates that are out there, as well as have the potential to put out that much excrement, you know, so that that's just kind of an anecdotal observation and thought.

982
01:36:57,070 --> 01:36:57,350
but.

983
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:58,390
Is

984
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,560
there any more questions to the council before they open it up to the public?

985
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,120
Okay, I'm going to open it up to the public.

986
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,300
Do we have any speaker slips in the chamber?

987
01:37:12,580 --> 01:37:13,200
Yes, we do.

988
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,600
We have Brent Turner.

989
01:37:28,420 --> 01:37:29,260
Hello, City Council.

990
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:30,440
My name is Brent Turner.

991
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:31,780
I know many of you here.

992
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:37,700
Normally I do civil rights work within the county and state and country, but now I'm taking

993
01:37:37,700 --> 01:38:04,340
talking my time to talk about Goosepoop, which I don't mind, but I wanted to open my comments by saying we appreciate the public, this particular city council, because you pay attention to the voters into the public that came forward to say in San Mateo County we're not going to be snapping the next of geese or putting them in little cremation ovens.

994
01:38:04,340 --> 01:38:16,040
So we're going to use some sense of appropriateness and messaging towards the kids that when we have something to deal with,

995
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:24,640
we don't just result to killing animals, and from what I'm hearing from this plan, that's off the table.

996
01:38:25,060 --> 01:38:30,180
So I just wanted to come before you, I wasn't sure what was going to be happening here.

997
01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:57,280
Or if there would be an objection or a congratulations, but I think from what I'm hearing since the lethal methods are off the table and hopefully staying off the table, you'll be surrounded now by the community that will want to encourage the county and the state and the feds to participate in this so that you're just not shuffling them around, but there's some overall comprehensive plan.

998
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:04,140
And I think that's a accomplishable after hearing the good style of your lead person here.

999
01:39:04,540 --> 01:39:08,440
So thank you for doing this work, and thank you for coming to a good conclusion.

1000
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:15,280
We know that when people are objecting and saying things like their kids are coming home covered in Gooseboop,

1001
01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:20,660
that it's easy just to go to the extreme and say, well, this is what we were doing.

1002
01:39:20,660 --> 01:39:27,360
but you considered the conversations with the animal protection people and with the general community.

1003
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,200
So thank you again for that, and thank you for your time.

1004
01:39:30,620 --> 01:39:30,940
Thank you.

1005
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,520
Next we have Dan Hogan.

1006
01:39:39,460 --> 01:39:46,520
Hi, I'm Dan Hogan, I live at 321 Grungian Court, I'm representing, I don't know, my family.

1007
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:54,640
So a couple of things, first with the report which I read through,

1008
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:59,380
One of my frustrations is there are no timelines or quantitative,

1009
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:00,800
quantitative goals.

1010
01:40:01,660 --> 01:40:05,500
And that came up here, and then the question was asked what do we want?

1011
01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:06,580
Well, I'll speak for myself.

1012
01:40:07,420 --> 01:40:09,380
I would like water that's safe to swim in.

1013
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,020
I would like beaches that my kids can play on.

1014
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:15,040
And I would like the kids to be able to go to the park and

1015
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,520
not have the fear that they're going to, or parents fear,

1016
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,740
they're going to get salmonella or another infectious disease because they're laid in with goose poop.

1017
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:25,000
group. And I would like that now.

1018
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:32,860
And from what I, you know, the geese population seems

1019
01:40:32,860 --> 01:40:39,360
to be rising exponentially. We don't have, we don't have numbers, but, you know, it's

1020
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:47,180
rising steadily. And it seems like the plan, although I wouldn't really call it a plan

1021
01:40:47,180 --> 01:40:55,440
because, again, there aren't quantitative readouts or goals yet, is reasonable long-term, mid-term,

1022
01:40:56,430 --> 01:41:04,920
way to slow down or mitigate some of the effects. But the ship sailed on this plan

1023
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:09,200
working for us immediately or perhaps on its own.

1024
01:41:12,620 --> 01:41:17,940
And this is just my opinion, you can

1025
01:41:17,940 --> 01:41:25,900
correctly. I know because of a 1918 treaty, we have to, we cannot call the geese invasive species,

1026
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:34,880
but while practical definitions are an invasive species. And it seems to me the most prudent

1027
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:44,200
thing to do for the people of Foster City is to kill most of the geese. And I say that as someone

1028
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:52,840
one who is vegetarian is someone who is working to overhaul the food system and remove animals from it.

1029
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:59,160
Okay, we're talking and I'm just going to say, you know, we're talking in the range of six to 800 geese.

1030
01:41:59,900 --> 01:42:05,000
All right, and if we just step back, oh, we had Thanksgiving on Thursday.

1031
01:42:05,620 --> 01:42:08,620
Foster City residents ate in the range of 3,000 turkeys.

1032
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,980
Okay, so 800 geese is nothing, right?

1033
01:42:12,980 --> 01:42:16,380
My foster city residents eat in the range of a million chickens a year.

1034
01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:23,080
Okay, so I think that's my perspective on that.

1035
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:32,120
So I saw also in the report, or a lead up to the report that was reference that lethal measures were off the table.

1036
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:37,000
That they had one point been approved for a hundred geese, but that didn't happen.

1037
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,500
And then it was decided that was too expensive or it wouldn't work.

1038
01:42:43,700 --> 01:43:00,120
Can I get some commentary on why that would not be an effective methodology and more comments from you on what would it really take for this to improve quickly?

1039
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:00,820
I'll

1040
01:43:07,950 --> 01:43:08,650
continue with public comment.

1041
01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:11,410
We'll return to you at that time.

1042
01:43:12,630 --> 01:43:15,550
Okay, is there any more speaker slips in the house?

1043
01:43:16,090 --> 01:43:20,950
We do not have any more speaker slips in the chambers, but we have some raised hands on

1044
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:21,210
two.

1045
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:21,830
Okay.

1046
01:43:22,150 --> 01:43:23,950
Why don't we move forward with the ones on two?

1047
01:43:24,250 --> 01:43:25,630
We have Lindsay Ford.

1048
01:43:43,190 --> 01:43:44,790
I'm not a speaker at all.

1049
01:43:44,930 --> 01:43:45,850
I'm an observer.

1050
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:47,310
I'm with Cron for news.

1051
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:50,640
Okay.

1052
01:43:50,780 --> 01:43:52,520
Next, we have Bill Fulsom.

1053
01:44:02,460 --> 01:44:03,220
Can you hear me?

1054
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,820
Two years I'm voting for Dan.

1055
01:44:19,180 --> 01:44:22,440
And then we have a gentleman here who would like to provide public comment.

1056
01:44:26,850 --> 01:44:29,630
We have another raised hand, that is Eric Allen.

1057
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:40,140
I just want to say thank you, Council, for not talking about killing any animals.

1058
01:44:40,580 --> 01:44:42,900
I really appreciate that you guys are letting the geese live.

1059
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:49,620
And for those that want to kill the geese, I would recommend to sure get your hands dirty,

1060
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:52,600
and maybe you can volunteer and add all some eggs

1061
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,760
because I see a big problem is that there's only one person

1062
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:59,480
who wants to retire during the egg addling.

1063
01:44:59,620 --> 01:44:59,980
If you want to...

1064
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,820
Control the population, control them before they're born. Thank you.

1065
01:45:10,900 --> 01:45:13,020
We have Gerald Moreno.

1066
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:26,760
I was thinking, why wouldn't we remove the males and can you relocate them like at the reservoir, give them another habitat?

1067
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:32,460
I never, I mean, there was no suggestion, is it possible to capture them and remove them.

1068
01:45:32,940 --> 01:45:37,920
In Maui, we have a chicken, they have a chicken, a wild chicken problem, and they remove the roosters,

1069
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:43,340
take them somewhere else far away, I mean, where they're not, I guess, reproducing.

1070
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:49,620
And then there's also, I was looking up online, there's also a fertilization

1071
01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:54,800
like, so they could, what do they give, there's certain FDA approved, or not FDA,

1072
01:45:55,040 --> 01:46:02,580
but approved like a chemical, chemical, they feed them, right, or robotic.

1073
01:46:02,580 --> 01:46:09,600
How about robotic looking like the predators, you're supposed to address the council.

1074
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:11,000
Oh, okay, I'm sorry.

1075
01:46:12,420 --> 01:46:30,820
Anyway, so, or robotic predator looking, what would I say, like a wolf or a, you know, the predators are robotic looking to scare them away, but capture them and relocate them, maybe in a reservoir where the habitat is satisfying to them.

1076
01:46:30,820 --> 01:46:34,180
I don't know if that would be a positive thing or not.

1077
01:46:34,460 --> 01:46:39,760
But capturing and removing them or finding out the males and removing the males.

1078
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:44,420
Because they would take the roosters and take them somewhere else on the island to reduce the population.

1079
01:46:44,420 --> 01:46:49,980
They have unfertilized eggs, so there's a lot of eggs in Maui where I work anyway sometimes.

1080
01:46:50,700 --> 01:46:59,420
But that's the suggestion or a combination of when we rebuild or you guys rebuild the, what is it, the rec center?

1081
01:46:59,420 --> 01:47:09,680
So, you know, to not make it as, I guess, you know, goose friendly or geese friendly, so, I don't know, that's the suggestion.

1082
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:12,840
What do you think? Any comments on that one?

1083
01:47:13,180 --> 01:47:16,800
We can't comment on the public comments, so there's public comment only.

1084
01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:20,060
Okay, and then if the council went and it's brought back to them.

1085
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,740
Okay, because I didn't hear any of these.

1086
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:28,360
Well, to address the council, I didn't hear any, you know, of removing capture and removing the geese,

1087
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:33,520
That's an on lethal and they have a problem in New Jersey also and I was looking there's there's other

1088
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:34,900
Okay, thank you.

1089
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:41,590
We do not have any more public comment

1090
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:53,160
Yeah, I

1091
01:47:58,470 --> 01:48:03,790
have to remind me on all the pieces of that I generally sympathize and understand your frustrations

1092
01:48:05,610 --> 01:48:08,570
You want to address the council here as well

1093
01:48:08,570 --> 01:48:12,330
So, if you want to address his things, but address the Council with that.

1094
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:17,110
You just address the Council and the questions, you don't necessarily need to focus on the people that are in the audience.

1095
01:48:17,130 --> 01:48:23,050
Questions were regarding the lethal removal and you, the Council, is better first to describe how that came

1096
01:48:23,050 --> 01:48:29,210
to be and why that was taken off the table, but generally there was a lot of public pushback from that.

1097
01:48:29,730 --> 01:48:38,430
I can add that lethal removal without successful habitat modification isn't really going to solve, it's a short

1098
01:48:38,430 --> 01:48:43,990
term fix, you know, and so for the long term, I recommend getting at the root of the problem.

1099
01:48:44,630 --> 01:48:48,130
Was there more question to that that I missed, can you say me to remind me?

1100
01:48:48,910 --> 01:48:51,110
Removal of the mails are relocating.

1101
01:48:51,970 --> 01:48:54,930
That was broke, guys, my answer.

1102
01:48:54,930 --> 01:49:01,010
I can answer that, we looked into that earlier on in this process, and we made contact with CDFW, and that is not permitted.

1103
01:49:01,570 --> 01:49:03,410
So we stopped pursuing that.

1104
01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:10,510
But translocation of birds, they were, well our mammals actually worried about moving disease.

1105
01:49:10,910 --> 01:49:14,730
And so generally that's, that's frowned upon as well as, you know, their candidates they

1106
01:49:14,730 --> 01:49:15,150
could fly.

1107
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:16,470
They're probably going to come back.

1108
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:23,270
So it's not really a viable method from my knowledge and experience with other programs.

1109
01:49:24,010 --> 01:49:28,210
And then the birth control option, birth control option, how he sees that today.

1110
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:32,410
Typically you have to get each bird every year, again and again.

1111
01:49:32,410 --> 01:49:40,730
And so with most wildlife, that's not feasible from a labor and effort perspective.

1112
01:49:41,010 --> 01:49:46,590
You have to find them first, and then you have to make sure that they get an adequate dose.

1113
01:49:47,210 --> 01:49:53,670
And in most cases, with mammals, anyway, it's not an oral thing.

1114
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:57,670
It's like you have to dart them and give them a drug most often.

1115
01:49:57,670 --> 01:50:03,470
or the long-term fix is doing surgery, but you have to get each one again and again because that

1116
01:50:04,150 --> 01:50:10,330
without surgery to my knowledge, any of those treatments are not permanent. And so it's repeated

1117
01:50:10,330 --> 01:50:14,070
and most cases that makes it infeasible.

1118
01:50:16,900 --> 01:50:23,660
Can for a study or there was one in Penn Valley, Penn Valley has a natural habitat as a geese.

1119
01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:28,220
Now, I'm not sure how they solve their geese problems, so I won't comment on that. Maybe that's

1120
01:50:28,220 --> 01:50:29,200
something you could look into.

1121
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,320
Sure, but I appreciate your comments.

1122
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:33,300
Is there anyone else on that?

1123
01:50:39,340 --> 01:50:42,460
Yeah, just a really quick comment based on some of the things that I've heard.

1124
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,820
Our purview is the city limits of foster city.

1125
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:51,760
And if we want to have an impact,

1126
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,800
our impact goal is within our city limits.

1127
01:50:56,180 --> 01:51:00,880
If that causes them to go to San Mateo, or burling game, or Belmont,

1128
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:06,940
then those cities can come to us and get our plan and get some ideas on how to deal with this.

1129
01:51:08,440 --> 01:51:11,800
If we wait for other cities to participate, we'll have this problem forever.

1130
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:17,080
So I don't, I don't, it sounds like maybe not so great a neighbor.

1131
01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:23,700
A neighborly thing to do, but the bottom line is our residents have asked us to deal with this problem in our city.

1132
01:51:27,980 --> 01:51:35,680
Further comment, I appreciate Councilman Fruman, your comments, but we're not necessarily

1133
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:40,860
asking those cities, we're asking the regional approach to an original approach is a little

1134
01:51:40,860 --> 01:51:41,360
bit different.

1135
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:43,540
We're talking about the county and the federal government.

1136
01:51:43,980 --> 01:51:49,600
If that impacts and prevents a problem with sistering cities, I think it is.

1137
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:54,480
I think the first thing we need to do is take a look at it, but even with this plan and

1138
01:51:54,480 --> 01:52:03,340
And I know tonight the proposed plan resolution, we won't know even if we pass this, we don't know what the cost will be like.

1139
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:11,620
And I think that the voters and the people and the citizens of Foster City are going to be quite shocked when we find out what that remedy my cost.

1140
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:22,100
So I don't want to leave that off the table, but we're not asking San Mateo or Redwood Shores or Redwood City to cooperate with us.

1141
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:29,440
We're asking if we have some data that, as you know, last time when I was approached this before

1142
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:30,980
Stacey and Art were on the council.

1143
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:38,680
I had the county willing to propose some help with financing, and I was also working with Congressman Spears.

1144
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:44,360
So, please, let's not just limit our thought process, because this is going to still be very,

1145
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:51,100
very, very costly, even if we just do this seven parts of the thing, which I have no idea what it is.

1146
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:54,160
And I don't know if we can even talk to that.

1147
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:58,000
I think tonight we're here just to acknowledge the report and

1148
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,240
that we need to move forward and see what the cost is.

1149
01:53:00,660 --> 01:53:04,900
I don't have a pro, I guess I'm looking at the regional concept differently than

1150
01:53:04,900 --> 01:53:10,740
you, maybe you had anticipated, I have no problem going to the county,

1151
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,980
going to the state, going to the feds and asking for money to deal with geese.

1152
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:19,040
We couldn't get it for a levy system to save lives.

1153
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:22,700
I don't think the Federal Government or the State is going to give us money to deal

1154
01:53:22,700 --> 01:53:24,500
with geese, but it can't hurt to ask.

1155
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,000
But we blew it.

1156
01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:29,480
Let's look at, we blew it, because I think it's important.

1157
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:34,080
We blew it with the levy because we didn't ask for prior to starting the project.

1158
01:53:34,220 --> 01:53:39,700
That's why when the Congressman Speer came to the council and gave us a check for a million

1159
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:42,860
dollars, we found out we couldn't use it for the levy.

1160
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:46,780
And the specific thing was as we had already started the levy.

1161
01:53:46,780 --> 01:53:52,500
So this is a real important crucial thing for Foster City to be on target and that's all I'm saying now

1162
01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:57,260
I didn't mean to catch you off Councilman from it, but I didn't want to be misleading the public

1163
01:53:57,260 --> 01:54:01,880
It's like we thought we had a million dollars for the levy. We didn't have a million dollars for the levy

1164
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:07,800
I get it and I don't think there's any any problem with asking our state and local state and federal representatives

1165
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:13,740
If there's any any money available, we have been working with state and federal agencies on this plan

1166
01:54:13,740 --> 01:54:15,880
and sufficient wildlife have been a part of this.

1167
01:54:16,540 --> 01:54:19,060
And I would assume that if there was money to be had,

1168
01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:21,460
not that it's, again, not that it's not worth asking.

1169
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:27,440
If there was money to be had, these agencies looking at what we're trying to accomplish in a humane way,

1170
01:54:27,740 --> 01:54:33,040
would say, you know what, based on the way you're trying to accomplish this, I think that we might be able to find you some dollars.

1171
01:54:34,380 --> 01:54:42,160
So we have contacts now, I'm assuming, we're state and federal efficient wildlife who participated in the preparation of this report.

1172
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:48,440
Or I think communication with them might be helpful to open or close that door so we can get moving.

1173
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:56,940
I don't want the delay getting started simply to try to find more money.

1174
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:03,560
I know that some of this activity that we're going to be looking at is naturally going to be done anyway.

1175
01:55:04,180 --> 01:55:08,640
As we go through our parks and do renovations, we do modifications, and what not.

1176
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:21,280
But our staff, as Derek has mentioned here and mentioned to me during a meeting they are starting to look at these projects with a different lens or an additional lens of goose mitigation.

1177
01:55:21,860 --> 01:55:30,180
So when they're looking at types of plants, they're putting where they're going to put them, how they're going to situate things, that's going to be part of the discussion.

1178
01:55:30,180 --> 01:55:39,700
So I think these things are going to happen anyway, if the feds in the state want to give us some money, it'll be welcome, but I wouldn't hold our breath on it.

1179
01:55:40,460 --> 01:55:41,860
Thanks, thanks, Councilman Fruman.

1180
01:55:42,100 --> 01:55:45,500
Is there any other comments, Councilman in the Hindi?

1181
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:46,280
Thank you.

1182
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:58,700
So then to stop, I think my colleagues agree, I think it is really critical to have an ad link one and to make sure that you have enough

1183
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:04,860
professionals doing that, along just not just that one person, I'm sorry, I forgot his name,

1184
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:10,820
but we need to contact him before he retires, so he could train some people, share the knowledge

1185
01:56:10,820 --> 01:56:19,400
that he has on Bear Island, but you have to have a meaningful and a part of this plan

1186
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:22,860
that Dan had been proposing and submitted to us.

1187
01:56:24,740 --> 01:56:31,760
Question, I mean, I'm all for the plan, I'm all for mitigating this issue, but I think

1188
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:42,220
to staff, the water pollution, if you will, are we certain

1189
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:50,340
that this happens only near

1190
01:56:50,340 --> 01:56:53,840
the beaches because the water does not kind of circulate much?

1191
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:59,720
We talked about this at a different time, and are we trying to do anything to kind of move the water as well?

1192
01:57:00,140 --> 01:57:04,100
This is not the geese, but again addressing the water pollution.

1193
01:57:06,370 --> 01:57:14,950
I mean, I'd like to possibly take that question because when we're Hindi, I know that our prior public works director

1194
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:19,530
looked into the possibility of trying to move the water with some sort of system.

1195
01:57:19,530 --> 01:57:22,430
I think we explored it, it was unsuccessful.

1196
01:57:22,810 --> 01:57:26,190
It does not mean that we can't revisit this idea.

1197
01:57:26,710 --> 01:57:30,550
One of the things that we are going to propose as part of the Parks Master Plan,

1198
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:34,930
what we talk about habitat modification in various parks.

1199
01:57:35,010 --> 01:57:41,610
Specifically, our three beach parks is the possibility of installing some types of water

1200
01:57:41,610 --> 01:57:43,930
movement of fountain or something like that.

1201
01:57:43,930 --> 01:57:51,090
That I heard some history in the past where there were some devices or things that were in the lagoon.

1202
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:57,530
I'm not sure exactly why those perhaps were removed, maybe people with longer history might know that.

1203
01:57:58,110 --> 01:58:03,050
But it is something that we need to put on the table because the big thing is the water's not circulating.

1204
01:58:03,730 --> 01:58:05,510
Those are the only beaches that get tested.

1205
01:58:05,710 --> 01:58:07,590
We get on the beach bummer list all the time.

1206
01:58:07,590 --> 01:58:15,410
If we can just address that aspect of it in the movement of the water, we would be off that list for that alone.

1207
01:58:15,770 --> 01:58:22,510
And we don't want to go any deeper in that because it's not on the agenda, so we'll want to stick to the Eastmaster plan.

1208
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:29,050
Okay, and just a question of clarification on the SQL report and you both made comments on the SQL report.

1209
01:58:29,230 --> 01:58:36,730
So even on the proposed project that we are proposing with the seven parks, we are going to be monitored by SQL on that.

1210
01:58:36,730 --> 01:58:43,350
Or are we able to maneuver around CEQA because of the specifics or not in violation of CEQA?

1211
01:58:43,970 --> 01:58:47,130
Because that has to do with environmental quality of the land.

1212
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:53,370
And with the only thing that we were specific about in the conversation was talking about Bear Island.

1213
01:58:54,110 --> 01:59:03,690
So Bear Island is that something that we, I'm assuming since that probably is part of the habitat that that's going to come under CEQA?

1214
01:59:03,690 --> 01:59:03,770
Well,

1215
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:10,550
we have specifically left the Bear Island and the egg outling there out of it.

1216
01:59:10,710 --> 01:59:16,030
Bear Island is a complicated place because it also has other listed threat and endangered species.

1217
01:59:17,330 --> 01:59:21,190
Sequel requires that new projects are vetted underneath Sequel.

1218
01:59:21,810 --> 01:59:23,610
That's already been gone going.

1219
01:59:25,250 --> 01:59:26,930
Okay, so that's any answers to questions?

1220
01:59:27,230 --> 01:59:28,730
Say about that, I mean.

1221
01:59:30,450 --> 01:59:34,030
Okay, we're going to close, if you have another comment, vice premier.

1222
01:59:35,350 --> 01:59:40,530
I just wanted my direction to staff is let's be as aggressive as we can.

1223
01:59:41,070 --> 01:59:51,630
We've already been at this for two years, and at this point, there's no question these birds are gorgeous, but they are becoming an absolute nuisance.

1224
01:59:52,150 --> 01:59:59,850
They're eroding the quality of life in Foster City, they're eroding our landscape, they're dangerous to our pets, they're dangerous.

1225
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,680
It's to our kids. And at this point, it feels like it's gotten completely out of hand. And I know that staff has been great to do what they can. But now that we have some options in front of us, please let's take advantage of everything we have. And I want to be very quick to pivot. So if there's a way that we can give you the authority to do that, let's look into that. I want to make sure that if this plan, you know, in three months, we find that it's not working.

1226
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:39,360
then I want you to not be afraid to come back to us and say we had a plan, it's not working, let's move on.

1227
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:49,280
So that would be my direction and I just want to say thank you, the plan was, the report was great and Frank I really appreciated your presentation that was well done, so thank you.

1228
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:56,820
Thank you very much, I'm going to have a motion to adopt a resolution to seek out to the City of Foster City.

1229
02:00:57,100 --> 02:01:20,100
One adopting the initial study of migration of negative foster city adopting the initial study of negative declaration with all findings, and standard conditions of approval and mitigation monitoring with reporting program, MMMRP pursuit to the California Environmental Quality Act, known as CEQA, for the integration adaptive of the Canada Goose Management Plan.

1230
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:25,080
plan and imprecise, and to approving the plan as it's implementation.

1231
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:26,380
Do I have a second

1232
02:01:30,540 --> 02:01:31,940
on that?

1233
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:32,680
You have a second.

1234
02:01:34,100 --> 02:01:36,120
Do we need to do a roll call vote on it?

1235
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:37,200
No.

1236
02:01:37,620 --> 02:01:39,200
Okay, all those in favor say aye.

1237
02:01:39,740 --> 02:01:39,920
Aye.

1238
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:43,180
Any abstentions?

1239
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:48,600
Motion passes 5-0, item 7.2.

1240
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:55,500
A public hearing to hear and receive community input on the selected final map, map B-2 live edits,

1241
02:01:55,500 --> 02:02:02,500
and sequencing of elections and adopt the ordinance to provide for election of council members by five districts.

1242
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:06,240
Establish district boundaries and election order of districts.

1243
02:02:06,860 --> 02:02:11,560
Anyone who wants to provide public comment, please provide a speaker slip or raise your hand on Zoom.

1244
02:02:12,500 --> 02:02:17,560
And here we have presenting the report is Paul Mitchell representing redistricting partners.

1245
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:21,440
Thank you very much and thanks for having me tonight.

1246
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:28,460
I'm going to go real quickly through a presentation that you've seen before.

1247
02:02:34,940 --> 02:02:37,520
Let me know if you can't see that. Is that okay?

1248
02:02:38,940 --> 02:02:44,080
All righty. So last time I was with you in person was your very first meeting.

1249
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:56,320
This should be your very last meeting. In the intervening time you've had a lot of public input, public map drawing, and you did a live line drawing with Liz

1250
02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:01,700
is where you came to a final map that you're now able to adopt.

1251
02:03:01,700 --> 02:03:04,280
It's been public for seven days, which is the requirement.

1252
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:07,940
And I'm just going to kind of go through this presentation really quick.

1253
02:03:08,780 --> 02:03:12,620
I'm going to cover real briefly, just in case anybody's checking in for the first time.

1254
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:17,500
What redistricting principles are, the redistricting principles that we're using for this process.

1255
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:20,320
Go over the public hearing schedule that we did.

1256
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:24,680
Go over the final map, and then it's time for you to be able to take a final vote.

1257
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:32,180
So, if somebody really wants to dive into how this process works, I gave a in-person,

1258
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:36,420
I think 45-minute presentation, plus about half an hour or so of question and answer.

1259
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:41,980
Going over things like, what does equally size mean when we're talking about populations

1260
02:03:41,980 --> 02:03:42,640
of districts?

1261
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,680
The idea that districts need to be contiguous.

1262
02:03:46,420 --> 02:03:51,560
The ideas of communities of interest, which is really an important part of this process,

1263
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:56,980
as you know from all the discussions that you've been having and then trying to create districts

1264
02:03:56,980 --> 02:04:05,000
within all these kind of competing forces that are also easily understandable to voters make sense

1265
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:11,260
in following natural boundaries and man-made boundaries and then finally to keep districts compact

1266
02:04:11,260 --> 02:04:17,120
which by California state law means it's not a district doesn't go get a far-away population

1267
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:20,600
and do so by bypassing some other nearby population.

1268
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:22,980
It's a real, worthy way of saying,

1269
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:26,580
let's keep districts kind of whole and together.

1270
02:04:28,780 --> 02:04:32,280
We've had a total of seven hearings.

1271
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:34,300
We had the first public hearing

1272
02:04:34,300 --> 02:04:36,420
that I spoke at followed by community workshop.

1273
02:04:37,260 --> 02:04:40,500
And then we had other hearings in the chambers

1274
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:44,560
and another community workshop on November 13th.

1275
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:49,420
And this is the last hearing and it's an opportunity for the final vote.

1276
02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:57,940
The map that you have agendas for this final vote was one that was live drawn for the

1277
02:04:57,940 --> 02:05:02,260
you and the public to see at your at a prior hearing.

1278
02:05:02,820 --> 02:05:08,480
And this is an edit of a map called B2, which is kind of a modification of one of our original

1279
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:09,740
drafts that we provided.

1280
02:05:09,740 --> 02:05:17,540
The deviation, meaning the size difference from the larger size is 4.5%, so the guideline

1281
02:05:17,540 --> 02:05:21,140
is that it has to be less than 10%, so you're well within that deviation.

1282
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:28,080
This originally was drawn at the November 4th public hearing, and again, it's a real

1283
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:33,920
benefit to the public that they got to see live the drawing and got to hear themselves,

1284
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:39,220
the reasons for the trade-offs, and that's always great in a public district for it to

1285
02:05:39,220 --> 02:05:44,180
to be something where literally some can go back and watch the recording of the actual

1286
02:05:44,180 --> 02:05:46,700
mapping drawn in all the discussion that's happening at the time.

1287
02:05:47,500 --> 02:05:53,560
The map was numbered in order for the sequencing of when each district is going to come up.

1288
02:05:54,260 --> 02:05:59,520
And then it utilized public input, the HOA boundaries, which was one of the very first things

1289
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:01,640
that we talked about at that first hearing that I attended.

1290
02:06:02,100 --> 02:06:09,000
The school attendance areas, kind of a logical balance of the streets and the waterway boundaries

1291
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:12,300
and those were what we're used to create this plan.

1292
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:19,260
When we look at this plan, we can see that these districts kind of follow the shape of the city

1293
02:06:20,160 --> 02:06:26,540
with its waterways as being a central piece and then also major streets and so on.

1294
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:34,040
The sequencing that you've adopted in the creation of this plan, you will formally adopt with this vote,

1295
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:42,140
So we'll place districts 1 and 2 as coming up in 2026 and so on this map that's the yellow

1296
02:06:42,140 --> 02:06:48,960
and the green and then districts 3, 4 and 5 coming up in 20, 28 and that's the brown,

1297
02:06:49,180 --> 02:06:50,200
the red and the purple

1298
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:59,780
and with that I'm happy to answer any questions or leave it to you

1299
02:06:59,780 --> 02:07:01,100
to make a final vote.

1300
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:01,260
We'll

1301
02:07:04,820 --> 02:07:10,860
start with council. Any questions? No questions? Do we have any speaker slips?

1302
02:07:14,740 --> 02:07:17,720
We have one speaker slip from Fred Bayer.

1303
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:35,510
Good evening, Mayor Sullivan, City Council, City Manager and staff. I'm Fred Bayer and I'm

1304
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:39,770
speaking as an individual tonight, because you know I'm on the Park and Rec Committee and

1305
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:45,830
serve on some other groups. So, these are individual comments, but it is from my background

1306
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:54,350
around serving as an appointed member of city committees over the past 45 years and understand the city and also on a school bond oversight committee.

1307
02:07:55,110 --> 02:07:59,250
Foster City is not yet ready to move to district collections.

1308
02:07:59,870 --> 02:08:10,050
We should join the city of Milbury in supporting pending legislation by state senator Josh Becker to modify the California Voting Rights Act.

1309
02:08:10,050 --> 02:08:13,090
as a similar size city to Millbury.

1310
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:15,330
We're not suitable for district elections.

1311
02:08:16,670 --> 02:08:24,430
Foster City in addition has another rationale, which I will address, and that has a bearing here.

1312
02:08:25,130 --> 02:08:39,690
I understand that your consultant on district elections maintains the location if your high school is included in the rationale for determining the election district, and that makes sense because all the facilities and use of the high school in a city.

1313
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:52,250
The foster city, however, remains the largest city in the state, without a public high school, although a high school remains in our city's general master plan and always been there.

1314
02:08:54,230 --> 02:09:07,030
It is not addressed, however, in your district-wing plans, we're the only city that has that situation because, as it pointed out, every other city that's been dealing with this has a high school.

1315
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:13,310
The San Mateo, I'm going to just make a couple of related comments here as moving forward.

1316
02:09:13,650 --> 02:09:29,710
The San Mateo Union High School District has not yet distributed foster cities owed 150 million bond share that we're paying off to build a high school and recreation facilities in foster city, and we're dealing with budgets problems because of that.

1317
02:09:29,710 --> 02:09:33,550
But I realize you do not have legal jurisdiction.

1318
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:36,530
You can only represent our interests and

1319
02:09:36,530 --> 02:09:40,170
no chair in that regard to the high school district.

1320
02:09:41,170 --> 02:09:45,470
And here's the paradox for dealing with the San Mateo Foster City School District.

1321
02:09:46,110 --> 02:09:50,430
Maintains that bond money must be spent proportionately in member cities.

1322
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:55,190
And uses that formula to restrict the amount of bond money spent in foster city.

1323
02:09:55,190 --> 02:10:04,590
As an example, that leaves us without a performing arts center report rebuild about each middle school because we have less money coming in, but they're spending money.

1324
02:10:04,990 --> 02:10:19,500
The San Mateo foster city school district uses this formula that I mentioned and the high school district does not observe that.

1325
02:10:19,660 --> 02:10:25,320
We have two opposites both penalizing us and leaving us with the situation I'm addressing tonight.

1326
02:10:25,320 --> 02:10:30,440
Right, we cannot continue to have those two opposing bond policies.

1327
02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:37,040
Let me finish here, let us first pursue owned and much needed facilities in our master plan and

1328
02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:44,920
owned attack spares and residents before backing into a corner on district elections where we don't yet qualify as I pointed out.

1329
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:53,420
We must at least defer that until addressing our needed high school facilities that are included in the state's formula for designating districts.

1330
02:10:54,180 --> 02:11:01,260
And that's my comments to you tonight to say we should be delaying at least because of these principles and partnering with Milbury.

1331
02:11:03,140 --> 02:11:04,100
Thank you.

1332
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:07,740
We do not have any other public comment.

1333
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:11,870
No, we do not.

1334
02:11:12,110 --> 02:11:13,390
We do not have anyone on Zoom.

1335
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:16,770
I have a motion to adopt an ordinance.

1336
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:21,810
So, Mr. Mayor, we want to close the public session on that.

1337
02:11:22,230 --> 02:11:22,330
Okay.

1338
02:11:22,330 --> 02:11:46,150
A motion to drop an ordinance to the City Council, the City of Foster City, a mending title to administration and personnel of the Foster City Municipal Code to add Section 2.56.025, district elections to provide for the election of members of the City Council by five districts, establish the district boundaries, election order of each district, do I have a second?

1339
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:49,480
Second.

1340
02:11:50,220 --> 02:11:51,740
All those in favor say aye.

1341
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:54,660
I'd like to hear a roll call vote.

1342
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:56,380
You have a roll call vote on that.

1343
02:11:58,180 --> 02:11:59,120
Councilmember Fruiman.

1344
02:11:59,780 --> 02:12:00,820
Yes, under duress.

1345
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:01,740
Hindi.

1346
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:02,520
No.

1347
02:12:05,410 --> 02:12:05,890
Jimenez.

1348
02:12:21,730 --> 02:12:22,130
Oh, yes.

1349
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:24,470
Kiesel.

1350
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:27,930
Yes, under the threat of extortion.

1351
02:12:29,450 --> 02:12:30,350
Mayor Sullivan.

1352
02:12:30,890 --> 02:12:31,110
Yes.

1353
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:37,110
Motion passes, 4-1 with Council Member Hindi voting no.

1354
02:12:41,290 --> 02:12:46,670
Item 8, communications 8.1, city district, warrants of demands are processed and issued

1355
02:12:46,670 --> 02:12:55,550
on November 5th, 2024, and November 13th, 2024, an AC tour processed on November 5th, 2024.

1356
02:12:55,790 --> 02:13:00,350
Anyone who wants to provide public comment, please provide a speaker slip or raise your hand

1357
02:13:00,350 --> 02:13:00,770
on Zoom.

1358
02:13:00,770 --> 02:13:03,930
This is an information item, only no action required.

1359
02:13:05,890 --> 02:13:14,510
Item 9, city district manager reports, council board statements and requests, and council liaison reports.

1360
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:23,240
Mr. Mayor and members of the council, I'll leave my reports to your weekly updates that you received.

1361
02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:29,580
There are some calendar items in there as you receive that I believe tomorrow, as of note,

1362
02:13:29,580 --> 02:13:42,900
about tree lighting ceremony and some other things, the tree lighting ceremony I would remind the public will be at the amphitheater this year as the rec center is under construction, and that happens on Wednesday evening.

1363
02:13:43,740 --> 02:13:46,900
And again, that information is available online and will be in your report.

1364
02:13:46,900 --> 02:13:47,840
I

1365
02:13:56,800 --> 02:14:11,720
have nothing to add other than, you know, we're going through the holiday season so, and perhaps some rain, so be careful when you're buying the wheel and have a hope to see you next year.

1366
02:14:17,190 --> 02:14:19,590
Thank you. Just a couple things.

1367
02:14:20,450 --> 02:14:24,970
We had a South Bayside waste management authority meeting a week or two ago.

1368
02:14:24,970 --> 02:14:41,530
And one of the things I brought to counsel about a year ago that has taken all this time to get moving is a fee that the SBWMA pays to the city of St. Carlos for the ability to have our transfer station there.

1369
02:14:42,930 --> 02:14:51,590
And it's an old agreement that transferred when we bought the facility and built it as an agency and entity.

1370
02:14:51,590 --> 02:14:59,630
And it has been tied to gate fees there, which means all the times are trash hauling trucks.

1371
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,440
Come through there, they're paying a gate fee basically on our behalf. And despite in some cases a reduction in actual trash coming through there, our rates have been going, our cost to the citizen cost has been going up over the last 20 years. In the last two years it's gone up well over 30% because of a change in operator at the facility which meant gate fees had to go up. We've been struggling to get a meeting with the city of San Carlos.

1372
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:56,660
We came to the board at our last meeting and got approval from the board for a subcommittee to continue working on this, and to meet with the city of San Carlos to try to establish a better structure for the fee that's more reasonable for rate payers, and gave the board and the subcommittee approval to discuss with the city of San Carlos a change in funding methodology.

1373
02:15:59,860 --> 02:16:04,160
Right now, all of our fees come through the gate fees, it's a tipping fees with the call-in.

1374
02:16:05,580 --> 02:16:11,040
If we changed our funding methodology to a flat rate for each city, and

1375
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:17,600
then had a much smaller gate fee for the volume differences from city to city,

1376
02:16:18,140 --> 02:16:23,560
that amount that the San Carlos fee is decided is formulated from would be much smaller.

1377
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:31,680
So if we changed our funding method, we could really 100% control how much of that money was going to the City of St. Carlos.

1378
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:44,000
We would prefer not to do that, we would prefer to work with the City of St. Carlos and come up with the fee foundation and base that's reasonable and an inflationary factor that is also reasonable.

1379
02:16:44,220 --> 02:16:52,080
So we're hoping that that will come to fruition, it hasn't moved much in the last year, but it is something that's going to start moving in the next several months.

1380
02:16:53,140 --> 02:17:03,840
So that's about the SBWMA and the other thing I wanted to mention was in my driving around town I noticed driving down Beach Park I was passing by bridge view park.

1381
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:14,740
And we've had some comments in our park semester plan about how underdeveloped that area is was really never meant to be a vibrant active park.

1382
02:17:14,740 --> 02:17:32,660
But I started to notice new plantings going on on the driveway, going in some low maintenance, low drought tolerant landscaping of succulents that we're going in and met with a couple staff members out there and found that there's a resident in Foster City.

1383
02:17:33,060 --> 02:17:34,700
I don't want to use my phone during the meeting.

1384
02:17:34,700 --> 02:17:43,600
So, I think his name was Kevin, lives out in the Port Royal area of town, who's done a lot of planting along the

1385
02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:51,880
PED way, the walkway between Port Royal and the San Mateo Lagoon with different succulents that is really impressive in the ability for

1386
02:17:51,880 --> 02:17:54,020
people to see what opportunities are present.

1387
02:17:54,600 --> 02:18:00,100
He has donated these clippings for us to use in our parks and other landscaping areas.

1388
02:18:00,100 --> 02:18:05,460
So I just wanted to thank him and thank our staff for the work they're doing in that area.

1389
02:18:05,980 --> 02:18:10,100
It makes it look a lot nicer while being drought tolerant.

1390
02:18:10,920 --> 02:18:12,940
And with that, I'll just wish our community a happy holidays.

1391
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:13,640
Thank you.

1392
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:16,280
Vice mayor.

1393
02:18:18,450 --> 02:18:20,930
Not too much to report this week.

1394
02:18:21,410 --> 02:18:26,390
I did spend some time volunteering with several other vice mayors at this American house.

1395
02:18:27,090 --> 02:18:31,090
And would definitely encourage anyone who's looking to volunteer.

1396
02:18:31,730 --> 02:18:33,990
not just at the holidays, but all year round.

1397
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:36,970
This American House is an amazing place where people can go

1398
02:18:36,970 --> 02:18:40,670
for just a little bit of help with food, clothing, housing,

1399
02:18:40,930 --> 02:18:45,150
all kinds of things, and it's a great worthwhile cause.

1400
02:18:45,370 --> 02:18:47,610
So I enjoyed my time there. I'll be back in December.

1401
02:18:48,770 --> 02:18:54,670
I also attended a park and wreck meeting.

1402
02:18:54,670 --> 02:18:58,690
We had a presentation on the community garden

1403
02:18:58,690 --> 02:19:16,610
which will soon be coming online for folks to enjoy and be a part of, and I'm really excited about the work that was done there, I know our mayor started that process with a couple of our residents of Onreza, because one of them so thanks to her for being a vocal advocate for that.

1404
02:19:16,730 --> 02:19:18,410
So I'm excited to see that happen next year.

1405
02:19:19,710 --> 02:19:24,390
And that really, I guess, sums it up. Hope to see everyone at the tree lighting on Wednesday.

1406
02:19:24,390 --> 02:19:24,470
Okay.

1407
02:19:30,370 --> 02:19:31,280
Morning from my queue.

1408
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:31,800
Ready?

1409
02:19:32,220 --> 02:19:32,400
Yeah.

1410
02:19:33,620 --> 02:19:34,240
Okay.

1411
02:19:34,400 --> 02:19:34,700
Thank you.

1412
02:19:35,600 --> 02:19:36,980
I had a couple meetings.

1413
02:19:37,380 --> 02:19:45,080
I had the Peninsula Clean Energy Board meeting and it was kind of short because we were

1414
02:19:45,080 --> 02:19:53,300
celebrating the outgoing directors and specifically supervisor Dave Pine who was instrumental in

1415
02:19:53,300 --> 02:19:58,060
bringing Peninsula Clean Energy to the county and he is turning out from the board of supervisors.

1416
02:19:58,060 --> 02:20:18,880
So it was nice to kind of get a little bit perspective from board members who been there since the beginning with Dave and seeing what we see has become and the impact it has been doing on our county as far as reducing greenhouse gas.

1417
02:20:19,240 --> 02:20:24,380
So it was nice and touching to see all those goodbyes.

1418
02:20:24,380 --> 02:20:32,220
I also had the San Francisco around table technical working group right here in Foster City a couple of weeks ago.

1419
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:41,000
It wasn't right after the last meeting and I touched a little bit on that at the last meeting comments.

1420
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:52,080
It is really we started the communication with the FAA regarding specifically.

1421
02:20:52,080 --> 02:20:56,220
I mean, we had two things, but open importance to the facility.

1422
02:20:57,400 --> 02:21:05,480
We started the conversation about getting, we gathered a lot of information, and we presented

1423
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:17,120
that information to the FAA, and inquiring why an offset arrival to SFO, not being utilized

1424
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:19,740
as it should have in the night hours.

1425
02:21:19,740 --> 02:21:24,540
So the focus has been really to reduce the noise during night time.

1426
02:21:25,700 --> 02:21:37,640
And I think that the meeting was very productive, very fruitful because the FAA were responsive

1427
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:44,040
and they wanted specific requests so they could come back to us.

1428
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:52,640
So the engagement process is, I think, well on the way, and I just hope whomever the next

1429
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:58,740
mayor appoints to the roundtable to be active and specifically active on the technical working group,

1430
02:21:58,820 --> 02:22:06,940
which I currently share, but that was my last meeting on it. So, whoever gets there, please be involved

1431
02:22:06,940 --> 02:22:12,140
in the technical working group because you could have an impact might be slow process, but eventually

1432
02:22:12,140 --> 02:22:12,960
things will happen.

1433
02:22:16,380 --> 02:22:25,920
I attended the subcommittee for the CSAC, community citizens of sustainability.

1434
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:34,300
Nothing really, because as you know, we got the cap approved last meeting,

1435
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:43,580
it was just more evaluation and they put the plan forward to next year. I will be having a

1436
02:22:43,740 --> 02:22:51,440
a couple more meetings this week, the SF4 roundtable meeting on Wednesday, as well as the hard board meeting on Wednesday.

1437
02:22:51,960 --> 02:22:54,880
That is my report, and happy holidays everyone, thank you.

1438
02:22:56,180 --> 02:23:04,840
Thank you very much, and we also attended in Christal's Springs, the Council of Cities and Hillsboro.

1439
02:23:05,060 --> 02:23:09,240
We had a drone presentation by the police department.

1440
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:20,400
We also were addressed by our county manager, Mike Caligri, and that brings an important discussion to see how this council feels.

1441
02:23:21,160 --> 02:23:27,660
As we all well know, we depend a little bit on the jails in the county and we support local law enforcement.

1442
02:23:27,660 --> 02:23:44,400
We have a might, as you know if you've read the newspapers, you've kept up, we have a 400 page report with basically asking the county sheriff to resign with pretty severe allegations.

1443
02:23:44,400 --> 02:24:02,980
I'm looking to see if maybe on this council we could also send a letter of recommendation to the current chief that seems to be kind of disruptive for the current running of the Sheriff's Department in the county.

1444
02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:10,100
Do I have any interest in sending a letter to the county sheriff?

1445
02:24:10,100 --> 02:24:13,880
Mayor, if I may, we can't make a decision on that tonight.

1446
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:16,320
You can request to agenda, is it?

1447
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:22,120
Okay, I see if there's any, do I have anybody that would be interested in agendizing that item?

1448
02:24:27,310 --> 02:24:32,190
Okay, so you know, but at least I would spoke out for it in the benefit of law enforcement.

1449
02:24:32,410 --> 02:24:37,230
I think that we do have a severe problem in the county, and we are part of the county, but thank you.

1450
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:40,430
And that ends my report, this meeting is adjourned.

1451
02:24:40,430 --> 02:24:40,890
Thank you.