1 00:00:00,050 --> 00:00:02,230 Aye, aye, for you. Just a date. 2 00:00:06,130 --> 00:00:19,750 Say six. April six. You ready? I'm ready. April six. We're having a meeting about concrete the pickleball court. Come on. You're right here. This will warm that for you. 3 00:00:31,620 --> 00:00:41,820 One of them from the regional contractor doing the other side of the pickleball court. They want the same square footage cost. As they're doing the concrete for now. 4 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:44,560 Now, can we just make it clarify what we're here for? 5 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:51,160 The question that we're here to discuss by the emergency meeting is whether it's prudent 6 00:00:51,160 --> 00:01:00,240 to spend the money, to remove and replace the balance of the concrete under the 7 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,340 while it's already partially torn up. 8 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:10,600 In lieu of, let me finish, I'm just thinking here, 9 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:15,180 in lieu of an ADA ramp to take the old concrete 10 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,900 in compliance with the new concrete, 11 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,340 which I'll be able to look at. 12 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:25,200 And in lieu of the suggestion by Jones and the mill 13 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,840 to put a drain in for one area that's puddling, 14 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,580 that won't bring the rest of the defective concrete by my opinion. 15 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:39,900 Like, as I have looked at that, I walked it and walked it and I thought, 16 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,800 we don't have too many choices. 17 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Right, I also walked it and that concrete is in sad repair. 18 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,760 I mean, it's in sad shape. 19 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,240 I wish the Old City Council would have acted on Rod's suggestion then. 20 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,760 I know it was three times. 21 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,600 You were here for my explanation. 22 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:14,460 They said the way it wasn't a good scope because I think the Old City Council wanted 23 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:19,820 to be frugal and mine their pennies and only to look we had money in a graph for it. 24 00:02:19,820 --> 00:02:21,900 is the way I remember, because it was discussed, 25 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:22,920 you guys brought it up. 26 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:25,800 That's somewhat true. 27 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:30,180 This project was pushed, I believe, 28 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:34,840 by a couple of citizens in there, 29 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:36,420 we're really adamant about doing it. 30 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,780 They got the Lambda committee to donate $30,000, 31 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,500 I believe, the city committed to around $40,000 for it. 32 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:53,260 And if it's supposed to be half of that building with new concrete all the time, it started 33 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:55,100 out of the little cap on all of it. 34 00:02:55,860 --> 00:02:59,280 And that was not going to work in that would have been a mistake. 35 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:03,380 So then they brought it back and so we're going to do half of it and we're going to do some 36 00:03:03,940 --> 00:03:07,840 sand volleyball pits and we're going to do some playground equipment. 37 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:18,140 Jones and Demail liked many of the projects they worked on for us came in and gave us 38 00:03:18,140 --> 00:03:23,760 a budget number that was well below what reality was and so when we got the actual bids 39 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:34,140 for it you couldn't afford to do it all and so we made the decision to go forward and not 40 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,960 And I don't know what the status of the playground equipment is in there, but I think that it's 41 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,820 going to be as wide as well. 42 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,860 It was sent to myself in there. 43 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,360 And so the Pickleball court in there, when they walked away from the cap on everything, 44 00:03:51,580 --> 00:03:55,000 it was always just going to be that one half in there. 45 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,320 And so we start bringing it up. 46 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:07,240 I mean, we actually got some bids from, I don't know if we got really formal bids, but 47 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,840 we got cost estimates from Jones and Demille for whatever good that is, of what it would 48 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:19,520 cost just to put regular concrete, not pre-stressed in the other side, not tension-wire stress concrete 49 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:28,340 in the other side and I thought that we had a way to fund that and it's brought up several 50 00:04:28,340 --> 00:04:33,800 times in the mayor the last time I brought her up he says I think we have a path forward to do 51 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:40,880 that and that's where it got left. Well and I think what we've got here today isn't your proposal 52 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,380 Jake that not only do we do concrete but we bring in road base to fix the elevations so that we have 53 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:52,900 to bring it up a survey is to bring it to where it needs to be and take care of it all at once. 54 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,240 We're eliminating the ADA stuff. 55 00:04:56,580 --> 00:05:03,060 So do we bring it up and only do a form slide, but it would meet the same elevation? 56 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,660 So no more 88 ramp? No more? So they want to need one? 57 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,800 They want the same ramp square foot prices. They're potential higher concrete? 58 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:11,880 I agree. 59 00:05:14,130 --> 00:05:14,470 Yeah. 60 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:15,630 All right. 61 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:16,450 Thank you. 62 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:19,450 There is no way. 63 00:05:19,630 --> 00:05:20,490 Let the record show. 64 00:05:20,650 --> 00:05:20,870 I agree. 65 00:05:21,410 --> 00:05:21,950 Yeah. 66 00:05:22,110 --> 00:05:23,350 So what are your vids that you've got? 67 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:26,070 They're just for the concrete work. 68 00:05:26,230 --> 00:05:26,750 59. 69 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:28,250 There's is. 70 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:30,690 Uh, who is theirs? 71 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:34,030 The general or the contract that is doing it now. 72 00:05:34,470 --> 00:05:34,630 The. 73 00:05:35,030 --> 00:05:35,170 The. 74 00:05:35,570 --> 00:05:36,170 He's already. 75 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:37,370 10th quarter. 76 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:39,630 10th quarter. 77 00:05:39,970 --> 00:05:40,770 10th quarter. 78 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:48,650 And he's 59 yeah, you're 1350 a square foot times 4400 no 79 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:55,190 So 59,000 yes, and then you're another three all are in 50 cents to tear it out 80 00:05:55,850 --> 00:06:04,910 So that does not include removal 350 a foot to remove it wrong. It doesn't include the road base either does it now 81 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:09,130 I'll they said that they they said that they would do it for the same square footage 82 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:19,810 And so what's the other bit we've got skyline pole building Jeremy and 56 to remove an important ringer on base in all? 83 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:25,010 56,000. Tell me his business name again. How many yards of concrete are you? Jeremy? 84 00:06:26,130 --> 00:06:35,710 Skyline is 4,400 square feet. So that's 555 yards, right? But skylines the whole job. 85 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:43,010 He told both contractors, they had a spot where they could dump concrete up the pit. 86 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:45,130 Give me that total one more time. 87 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:48,610 How many yards do you have? 88 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:50,510 Is he state how many yards? 89 00:06:51,210 --> 00:06:52,350 I got 55 in the head. 90 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:52,890 What you get? 91 00:06:54,170 --> 00:06:54,890 I got 55. 92 00:06:57,910 --> 00:06:59,170 I figure 80 feet. 93 00:07:00,070 --> 00:07:02,170 And I've got one other bit going into it. 94 00:07:02,830 --> 00:07:04,110 So how much was the pit? 95 00:07:07,590 --> 00:07:09,650 from Skyline, he says, 96 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:19,110 terrible concrete haul off, hauling road basin compact prep for concrete, supply and tie all rebar number three every two feet on 97 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:28,190 centers, cloud concrete, forage, room finish, cut joints, every 10 foot on square, haul off debris, 98 00:07:28,190 --> 00:07:34,890 includes the pump truck and machine-time skitter and maniacs, $4,400 per feet for $6,000. 99 00:07:37,250 --> 00:07:41,210 It was $1,000, $1,018 a yard, 100 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,320 $5,55 a yard, so to say how many yards? 101 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,520 No, but this is just supposed to be something. 102 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,780 Well, I just get paid to $20,000. 103 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,160 It's supposed to be $8,000. 104 00:07:54,420 --> 00:07:54,920 It's supposed to be $8,000. 105 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:55,640 It's supposed to be $8,000. 106 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,940 It's supposed to be $8,000. 107 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,020 Yeah. 108 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:03,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it comes out if you do the math 88 but I've always figured for 80 to me 109 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:08,260 Well, I've always just gone 80 plus 110 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:14,170 There you go. Yeah, he's got 49 hundred square feet 111 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,500 Well, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is for the pickleball. So this isn't applicable 112 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:25,000 Yeah, he just says the same amount 113 00:08:47,200 --> 00:09:03,240 We're not going to be able to put anything on in the bank from our building over the cemetery which I was hoping for, but we could donate that money to it. 114 00:09:05,390 --> 00:09:10,610 So from the cell to fire department we can still get the cemetery building and 115 00:09:10,610 --> 00:09:17,470 cement and the cement for the bowery but we have 30 we have but we have 30 on the 116 00:09:17,470 --> 00:09:24,070 pickable we have to cover yes and cover the 30 so all those are covered without any 117 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:30,190 additional loans or anything needed we knitted 148 right I've got to make sure 118 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:39,510 that's the case but we're that's pretty close he's our part 30 or 40 what's that my ours was 119 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:46,810 40 and lamb days was 30 yeah on the pickle ball yeah that was my impression yeah it's 40 ours 120 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:51,810 40 yeah but I didn't think that I thought when the city was 40 I thought when we netted out we're 121 00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:57,150 going to be about 30 so I know we're going to be awkward aren't close to being yeah at 36 122 00:09:58,630 --> 00:10:10,430 Well, and we talked about some things that, you know, we were losing the sand ball of all or losing the others. So we wanted to reduce our city 123 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:17,150 as much as we could but we didn't know what that would be until the whole thing was whole. 124 00:10:17,970 --> 00:10:25,510 And I still think both oil the ones extreme, but the other ones still pretty high in my mind. 125 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:31,890 Christians call me the other day and they want a bit on it. 126 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,740 Christian ready mix? 127 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,340 Yeah, I wanted to say as long as you don't use Christians and ready mix. 128 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:41,700 You know, you get to concrete somewhere else? 129 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:41,960 Yeah. 130 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,800 But they still want a bit on it. 131 00:10:50,380 --> 00:10:55,640 We're going to have enough money, we've got somewhere between 72 and 82 left over from 132 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,320 the fire station. 133 00:10:56,500 --> 00:11:03,960 So we've got enough money, we will have any spare, but we've got enough, but I think these 134 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,600 guys are outrageous. 135 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:14,020 I think 17 bucks a foot for tear out and replace on a job this big is outrageously high. 136 00:11:14,020 --> 00:11:19,940 You know, we think the only other thing I think we need to consider, my two cents, it's 137 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:20,980 time is of the essence. 138 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:27,580 You've got them right now in a position where we need to act pretty quick if we're going 139 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:28,160 to do it. 140 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,060 Isn't that where Jones and Mellis, whether or not we're going to do it, they have it on 141 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:37,840 the schedule this week to pour the other, yeah, to do the slope and the drain and everything 142 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:38,780 else that we want. 143 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:42,160 That's the commitment I have. 144 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:52,840 I'm not saying over pay now because we're in a hurry but I I do believe we need to make a decision and we got about three months for lamb day. 145 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:07,120 So so I think we make the decision yesterday and correct me if I'm wrong I think everybody's of the decision that we we kind of don't have a choice. 146 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:15,240 We need to do it one way or the other and we just got to get our bits to our we in a position that I would be okay 147 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,860 Even worst case scenario and I could consider that I would be worst case scenario 148 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:28,340 And if we can get it less expensive than that great. Well, like I always tell my wife plan for the worst hope for the best 149 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:30,000 That's kind of my thoughts is 150 00:12:30,860 --> 00:12:33,100 Although I don't like $56,000 151 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:36,760 It's a it's palatable 152 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:46,960 If that's what we have to do, but I feel extremely confident we can get it lower than that. 153 00:12:47,420 --> 00:12:50,620 I'm thinking somewhere in the 40, 40, 48 pounds. 154 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,600 And that's great. 155 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,100 Because I'm looking at cost per square foot. 156 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,160 I'm sitting in that big. 157 00:12:59,020 --> 00:13:04,300 You know, if you put your foot locked to your house, it's going to cost you 30 bucks a square foot. 158 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,740 because you're paying shorthold nearing else. We've got 55 yards of mud coming in here. 159 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:18,820 We've got five truck loads of mud and one pump and I'm thinking it's in the $10 to $12 range. 160 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:24,640 Fair out in the place. That sounds terrible. And maybe I've been down to the business 161 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,880 solidly for two full years. I think your tear out is quite expensive. I mean, it's a 162 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:37,520 Well, that's not so bad. I don't think it. There's no reborder in it. No, but there's the yield 163 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,720 listing. So you get it out of there and everything else. You got a whole wire around that side. 164 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:49,020 You got one in $56,000 to buy it by $4,400 score fee is $12.72. 165 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:59,840 I think if that's the case, are we in the ballpark? 166 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:09,220 I think we have to let Kurt have some latitude to go out and get a couple of bits and get 167 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:10,080 traditions sent in. 168 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:10,520 Any good? 169 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:12,660 Yeah, personally, we need to approve it. 170 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,180 Approved up to 50 grand today. 171 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:17,500 Approved up to 56. 172 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:20,840 So when we know we can get it done, that's kind of my point. 173 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,480 It mainly does need a yes, like if you're going to do a yes, 174 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:26,820 so we can tell Garrett, yes, we're going to do it, 175 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,380 have them stop where they're at. 176 00:14:29,580 --> 00:14:33,120 I wonder if we can get the discount from them not putting that drain in. 177 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,540 Well, well, the drain management issue then, 178 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,860 that was all you get back to is the price. 179 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,220 Right, that was all that. 180 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,860 This is your situation too. 181 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Plus a 20% and we know where that goes. 182 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:53,120 So I was the main thing, you just, so I have a question, this kind of from a contractor standpoint, 183 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,000 with it and this kind of spell. 184 00:14:56,420 --> 00:14:59,960 So when you tell him no, is he going to come back and... 185 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:25,300 Ask you what it's worth to you. If he does, I mean, Sharpen's is pencil. Yeah. I mean, can you? Because he's sitting right there. I mean, he's already molded in here. He knows what he's. He's mobilized. Yeah, it in there. He's they would be the. He's hooking. I can't believe it. Yeah. Why would he? Why would he? Why would he? Why would he? All these sitting right there? Probably. 186 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,720 Unless we can find somebody to come in and do it for, you know, 45. Right. 187 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:37,720 But when you tell him no, we're not going to do that. That's what he's going to say. Well, what's it worth to hear? 188 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,560 He may or may not, but if he does, yeah, that's something. 189 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:48,180 But tonight we make the decision, yes, that'll be our worst case, skyline. 190 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:59,310 And then over the next week, I need to get two people that I'm thinking of to bid it. 191 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:07,070 And once Christchurch said, and the other one, I'm not sure it was big enough to pull it off, but 192 00:16:08,370 --> 00:16:14,210 so we probably, I'd probably, I'll take that back, because that's all we need is to have somebody 193 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:18,690 have a problem with the concrete, because they can't handle it. 194 00:16:20,350 --> 00:16:23,990 We get best guys that know what they're doing with the pneumatic screen stuff, it's so slick. 195 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:29,100 Can I make a motion? 196 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:36,040 Yes, please do, I'd make a motion that we approve in this emergency meeting, 197 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:39,350 the balance 198 00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:50,430 of the battery to be torn out, concrete torn out and replaced, including road base, 199 00:16:50,430 --> 00:17:00,070 compaction, concrete, rebar, minimum number three on two foot centers, and finish 200 00:17:00,070 --> 00:17:04,050 form and finish, not to exceed $56,000. 201 00:17:11,970 --> 00:17:14,790 Now you've got the number right, where's 202 00:17:14,790 --> 00:17:23,190 everything else I think? Okay, I'll have second, there's a motion, carry second, any other 203 00:17:23,190 --> 00:17:28,760 discussion. Yeah. All in favor? Carey? Yes. 204 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:38,100 Yes. Jake? Yes. Yes. Okay. Motion carries. 205 00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:42,190 How does, wait, how's the citizen refill? 206 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:46,830 How's it about double what Jones and 207 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:53,370 the mill said? They thought it would be a thing. And our experience has been we 208 00:17:53,370 --> 00:17:57,730 come up short. They have come up on this short slide on every single thing. 209 00:18:00,550 --> 00:18:00,950 The other 210 00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:03,970 Other than they want to advance wrong defense, what do you want to do with it? 211 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:10,610 I know they talked about putting the fence underneath the eaves. 212 00:18:11,470 --> 00:18:12,090 Last meeting. 213 00:18:12,790 --> 00:18:15,950 They just want to know what you guys can do. 214 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:18,960 That's what all the fence can do. 215 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,200 It turns to just a dab and then he's like, yeah, I don't know. 216 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:27,040 He's put up like a fourth of the fence to keep the ball in. 217 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,260 Let him chase it. 218 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,380 You know what I want to see? 219 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,600 That sounds harsh, but what was my comment? 220 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,880 I know that if you get the kids on the dirt bikes on the floor there's that I see every day. 221 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:49,980 No, I think there's some value to that, to something there, but this has to be done right away. 222 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,680 They're going to wear the outside of the footing. 223 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:58,360 What the other thing I have seen on some of these pickleball courts is they have netting. 224 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:06,220 with the netting from pole to pole, accomplish the same thing as a fence, and that's kind of that windscreen netting that's there. 225 00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:12,140 Does that do us, is that less expensive than a fence, or is it any better? 226 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:21,640 I don't know if it's any better or not, but I kind of feel like we need to keep the security as much as we possibly can. 227 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:28,620 to keep the bikes and who's going to go open and close it at the hours that you're going to have. 228 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,540 Thank you. 229 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Yeah, if it's open till 10 o'clock tonight, who's going to lock it? 230 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,620 Once again, I heard. 231 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,260 Would only let the lights come on until 10 o'clock p.m. 232 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,700 Nobody's going to be able to play in the dark. 233 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:47,100 You can put them on a timer. 234 00:19:49,300 --> 00:20:10,540 I think that was the comment put them on photo sales, but I don't think I don't think we're ever going to stop the ATVs in the motorbikes unless you actually put out a gate and lock it, and if you don't want to lock it every night at 10 and open at a 6, then you take all the fence down completely. 235 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:18,260 I tend to agree with Bond that where there's a will there's a way and rather than have things 236 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:23,740 disrupted and torn up and people getting hurt, I'm not sure we don't make it easy. 237 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:31,580 Well, taking off the fence, you're going to eliminate the fence slash ladder to the kids 238 00:20:31,580 --> 00:20:34,640 climbing on the roof and spend an ongoing problem because they're climbing the fence. 239 00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:35,460 I agree. 240 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:36,100 Yeah, 241 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:43,180 I'm so worried about cameras in there who's going to watch and who's getting 242 00:20:43,180 --> 00:20:49,140 porcelain? Well, they recorded and then if you have to follow them and you can go back 243 00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:55,540 to it. You're not able to prevent anything with a camera but you can catch the culprit. 244 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,240 Yeah, they can deal with it on the back side. I think there could be some value to the screen, 245 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:08,220 the the windscreen and potentially keep it in the balls and play there but it 246 00:21:08,220 --> 00:21:14,380 won't be secure but it's not going to be secure. Yeah but I think that's 247 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:18,060 but it would be hard to get four wheelers through there. Well they're gonna go through 248 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:25,460 you that double white wheelie try. We've got double white gates on there. Well I think 249 00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:32,690 maybe I'm naive, but we, until it's a problem, is it a problem? 250 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:35,170 So it's not go searching out a problem. 251 00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:35,570 Right. 252 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:38,410 It's not create something just because they're the what-if. 253 00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,110 And if we need to add the windscreen, I like that idea though. 254 00:21:42,090 --> 00:21:44,270 That's an easy thing because you order it up. 255 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:46,770 You order it online for inexpensively. 256 00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:48,750 So it's your width and the bottom. 257 00:21:49,210 --> 00:21:51,810 But the city comes on that and the skirt can put it up. 258 00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:52,550 Oh yeah. 259 00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:55,730 It's not going to cost us a normal light to do it. 260 00:21:55,730 --> 00:22:02,410 I think that's an economical way to, if we need it, yeah, say they ever use that, I've 261 00:22:02,410 --> 00:22:09,130 never used it before or bought it, I've used it for my dog running like the mesh, yeah 262 00:22:09,130 --> 00:22:12,850 not much cost, not anymore, because I bought like 10 foot. 263 00:22:13,050 --> 00:22:18,550 I saw it over, I went over to the hardware store the other day and noticed it and we're 264 00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:18,910 on it. 265 00:22:19,050 --> 00:22:23,770 That's what they've got around, but they've got it up against the fence too and I just don't 266 00:22:23,770 --> 00:22:24,450 know that I'll meet them. 267 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:30,070 And this, you'd ordered online and they'd put a sleeve at the top so you could run a wire through it. 268 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:34,050 And you'd want to run the wire through it, through that wire. 269 00:22:34,330 --> 00:22:36,030 From your eve, carry on with it. 270 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:38,570 Or 40 times, you know, whatever you're going to do. 271 00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:39,370 Yeah. 272 00:22:39,650 --> 00:22:41,170 So, are there two things that I forgot? 273 00:22:41,530 --> 00:22:42,410 What did the price was? 274 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:43,790 I don't think that was worth it. 275 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:44,790 I forgot to speed up. 276 00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:48,250 Figure out what it cost to build those. 277 00:22:48,650 --> 00:22:52,310 And I looked up to make it for the city. 278 00:22:52,310 --> 00:23:01,370 but I didn't feel like I could get it done in time for land days, but I forgot what the price was. I can get it in. 279 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,940 Well, let's leave this till I think what Rich said is smart. 280 00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:17,320 So they need to think about the fence here pretty soon, whether they're looking up over the outside concrete around the footing. 281 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:19,940 I think that's where they are going to either move it or... 282 00:23:22,530 --> 00:23:23,330 So I want to get started. 283 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:26,690 For me, the lack of consensus is... take it out. 284 00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:27,710 No fence. 285 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,390 That would be my phone. 286 00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:31,770 What do you think, Kim? 287 00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:35,490 You'd be the one that would have to lock it every now and then. 288 00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:36,350 You'd live the closest. 289 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:37,970 That's right. 290 00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:39,030 I got it. 291 00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:53,570 So if it's not secure, then why have the fans? 292 00:23:55,570 --> 00:24:00,870 Then if we need it, and we put up the sunsets, sun mesh. 293 00:24:00,870 --> 00:24:03,930 What was he put that wherever they put their foot? 294 00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:07,130 I don't think he used to have really professional type pick-up ball players. 295 00:24:08,650 --> 00:24:10,350 I don't think he's known for that, right? 296 00:24:10,810 --> 00:24:13,570 I think the world champion came out of here, didn't he? 297 00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:23,130 I think, and I'm just guessing the Marona ones is just a gate. 298 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:25,150 There's no lock on it or nothing. 299 00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:27,090 It's just a mangate. 300 00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:33,090 I mean, you can still get a motor cycle through there, but you're not going to get a flow wheel there's a way 301 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:35,910 I'll go through 302 00:24:36,370 --> 00:24:44,410 Well, you know, it's a double. It's a double because they're pulling out. Well, the float all the time in and out 303 00:24:44,410 --> 00:24:49,310 Yeah, so but we're parking the floats somewhere else. Yeah, that's why you're doing the city 304 00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:52,290 But you can put it in a city building and you're gonna have 305 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:58,150 this stuff out of the maintenance sheds now in the cemetery so what's kind of 306 00:24:58,150 --> 00:25:02,390 they're usually for the talent show bringing bleachers which wouldn't fit 307 00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:09,270 through the single gate it's got to go through the double gates okay if we 308 00:25:09,270 --> 00:25:10,530 had a fence 309 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:20,900 it's right in the middle on this side okay here's the gate we put 310 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:27,100 would have posed right there in the middle, close enough so you couldn't get a four wheeler 311 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:35,160 so you could still get bikes, it's like a bullard, but you could pull in and out or bolt 312 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:42,600 it in or something. Then we could close the gates, not worry about locking them up, but you 313 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,240 You couldn't get a very big, you know, for a wheel or still have an opening. 314 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:57,580 I mean, I see somebody's in the grass area, south of the school once in a while. 315 00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:00,260 I never see them ripping around in there. 316 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,720 They might cut across and go do something in there and place off here or whatever, but I 317 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,060 never see them in there ripping around with, you know, like its kids and whatnot. 318 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:14,920 I don't know if we have anybody in the park now doing donuts and rip them off. 319 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:17,680 I didn't notice any tracks over there. 320 00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:19,440 I'm just on Amazon. 321 00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:21,100 I don't know if it's a problem. 322 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,760 And I mean, a 6x50 green privacy windscreen fence is 50 bucks. 323 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,560 A bucket hood. 324 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,660 Well, isn't the fence included in the bit that they originally had? 325 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:33,920 No, it's not. 326 00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:38,040 That's more money we'd have to come up with for a fence. 327 00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:44,400 I think we hold that in advance, see if we really need it, but the fence comes down. 328 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,480 The evening is always your evening, it's about as important as the evening. 329 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:49,020 Yeah. 330 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:59,560 You've got top attachment point, if you need it, then it's easy, if you want a fence. 331 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:10,300 So I think what we're saying, let's leave it out for now, make that decision when we find 332 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:14,700 out. Let's get everything else done. I think it's more important we get the 333 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,340 concrete taken care of, we get to take a ball court finish, do we get the 334 00:27:18,340 --> 00:27:24,100 landscaping back where it needs to be, use it to find out. So with the current 335 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:29,340 funds, the existing funds that the curb didn't take down, that'll need to come 336 00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:31,300 down in the near future. 337 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:39,990 I don't know about you guys, but you know I've lived here 338 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:47,450 for, this is my sixth year, and I've hardly ever, the only time I've ever seen them being 339 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:53,970 used this during land days, and if it's not locked up, do we have a chance to get utilized 340 00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:54,590 a little bit more? 341 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:55,710 It's been locked up. 342 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:57,230 That's the problem. 343 00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:57,990 It's been locked up. 344 00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:58,130 Yeah. 345 00:27:58,750 --> 00:27:59,750 They're protecting the boat. 346 00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:00,610 What? 347 00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:01,550 Well, that's what I'm saying. 348 00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:02,190 Yeah. 349 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:07,250 I think this may be our chance, actually, you listen to that a lot of people in there. 350 00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:08,890 I think it's a great idea. 351 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:09,610 Yeah. 352 00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:13,910 You need to concrete the other end, like you're doing in there, 353 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:15,910 and put some basketball hoops up for kids. 354 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:16,450 Yeah. 355 00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:17,630 Put some in it. 356 00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:17,950 Yeah. 357 00:28:18,050 --> 00:28:19,050 That's a great idea. 358 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:20,230 Like Kim. 359 00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:24,230 I tell you the reason this lockout now is there used to be basketball, 360 00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:26,010 who's like both ends of that. 361 00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:29,670 And those rounds and stuff just got poor pieces of kids coming in. 362 00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:33,150 And from what I understand it didn't take very long to do it either. 363 00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:42,150 I don't doubt that, but as a city, we can afford a $300 lifetime basketball standard if 364 00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:47,810 a wonderful problem to have if they get abused because of abuse personally. 365 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:50,870 Well, an abused cycle is in there. 366 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:53,950 You have kids that tear stuff up and they cycle out. 367 00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:54,310 Yeah. 368 00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:55,250 Hopefully. 369 00:28:55,490 --> 00:29:01,850 Well, and I think what a wonderful use of the park, here we're doing the pickleball for 370 00:29:01,850 --> 00:29:03,210 the kids and for the people. 371 00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:08,590 No, it's for old people like some of us around the state and they had some basketball 372 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:10,410 and they make it available. 373 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:16,430 You know, I don't even care if they paint off, I don't know, hopscotch, your foresquare 374 00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:18,810 or whatever, and let them just use that as an activity center. 375 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:19,990 It's a great idea. 376 00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:22,430 We need to do something to the kids. 377 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:29,050 Yeah, Cornwall is going to be a lot of you. 378 00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:31,270 Paint off, quarterfold, yeah. 379 00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:31,870 Exactly. 380 00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:34,730 You just line it up and just put your box side. 381 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:35,790 And then nobody can argue. 382 00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:36,970 No, that's not the end of the foot. 383 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:37,690 No, yeah, yeah. 384 00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:42,670 Is the pick of all quarters of paint or is it like a... 385 00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:44,490 My understanding is like a felt or something. 386 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:45,430 No, a little or else. 387 00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:46,330 It's just... 388 00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:48,210 I think it's just painted lines. 389 00:29:48,970 --> 00:29:49,110 Yeah. 390 00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:49,910 Right. 391 00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:51,950 But you got to the whole other half that you can do. 392 00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:53,450 Yeah, that's what I was talking about. 393 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:54,910 I'm just saying we got a tour up. 394 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:56,250 Did we have to replace the whole thing? 395 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:56,650 No. 396 00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:59,970 I think just a good chance to make that a useful one. 397 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:29,420 One other thing, too, we're going to have a more likely a new police force that will be able to make rounds all through the night for any problems that may arise, that we could have them park there for a little while to keep let kids know that. 398 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,540 That's not there to be vandalized, you know? 399 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,440 Because all I have to do is pick up one kid or work to get out here and the word to get 400 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,600 out the next day or so. 401 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:56,790 And you already have cameras that feed in to, I mean, EPS design help you put in cameras 402 00:30:56,790 --> 00:30:59,910 that report when there's a problem. 403 00:31:00,910 --> 00:31:06,610 He does the EPS also does the outdoor if you wanted to look at something like that that 404 00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:10,110 would just feed into a closed system and you just use it if you need it. 405 00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:16,390 And sometimes those cameras, they stop a lot of the activity that... 406 00:31:16,390 --> 00:31:19,330 Did you put up signs, this place is under surveillance? 407 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:19,890 Yeah. 408 00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:28,330 In our old office building, we had one public entrance and in English and Spanish, we had a double 409 00:31:28,330 --> 00:31:33,250 push bar on a English and Spanish at the push bar. It said, look up, you've already been 410 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:38,830 recorded and I had a ding. And I had a camera pointing, it was like from here to the wall 411 00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:46,850 and I mounted the TV screen up there. They pushed the door open, ding, read it, English and Spanish 412 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:50,850 they'd look up and there's their face, not one security issue. 413 00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:57,410 Well, our house in Taylor'sville, because of who I married to, we had four different 414 00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:58,430 kinds of cameras. 415 00:31:58,730 --> 00:32:02,970 They were all in beta tests, though the whole front of our house looked like a security 416 00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:03,490 system. 417 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:07,370 Everybody's cars would get broken into besides our neighbors. 418 00:32:08,670 --> 00:32:13,670 I think we've all noticed that since Ring Doorbells and whatnot, the doorbell vision 419 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:14,170 has stopped. 420 00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:15,870 You know? 421 00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:18,870 Unless you get a cranky old man who shoots the poor kid. 422 00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:25,250 Yeah, that's not good, but at any rate, I'm sorry, just boiled out, but the point is, well, 423 00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:26,350 like, yeah. 424 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:28,910 Okay, so we leave the fences down. 425 00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:30,510 Yes. 426 00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:31,950 Okay. 427 00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:33,870 I still think you need that. 428 00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:34,770 The net. 429 00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:35,230 The net. 430 00:32:35,650 --> 00:32:35,810 Yeah. 431 00:32:36,670 --> 00:32:38,470 Well, I know what I put down. 432 00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:41,050 Hold any new fence, you know, any kind in advance. 433 00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,990 Like you said, let's see if we really need it. 434 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,390 If we need it, I would be a proponent. 435 00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:52,230 I don't know that we need to go all the way up. Just do a four-foot fence around it if we need it. 436 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,020 And that would hold the balls in and make it easy. 437 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:06,180 And it would keep the four wheelers and motorcycles off, but they would still be able to use the place. 438 00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:12,540 And over in Marone, they have basketball hoops that they don't have nets on them. 439 00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:20,100 And then there's big signs behind them that say no hanging or I don't know what it's called when you they have a formal name for it 440 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:23,680 But I'm not a sports person, so and they still have theirs 441 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,140 Well those two behind the old city building are still there. Yeah 442 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,660 They were there in 1941 I think 443 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,000 Do we need to discuss the 444 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,660 Good police department or 445 00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:52,600 It was not on the agenda for the day or not, but it will be on a council night at 446 00:33:55,290 --> 00:34:00,610 6 o'clock, so it'll be in the public hearing before the camp. 447 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:03,930 Chief Gray. 448 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:07,330 Okay, can't remember. It's gray is this first name or last name, do you know? 449 00:34:07,330 --> 00:34:08,350 Okay, it's a black name. 450 00:34:08,670 --> 00:34:13,650 Is it, you know, okay, Chief Gray is going to be there. He's called me two or three times. 451 00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:15,250 Who covers whales? 452 00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:24,480 They kind of do. That's exact the words because they're not formal. 453 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:27,700 But they cover it if there's a problem. 454 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,900 So the sheriff doesn't have to agree to do that. 455 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,080 Well, this kind of on their own. 456 00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:36,940 pitch and land. 457 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,760 They're pretty round. They're right here. 458 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:46,240 Yeah, I talked to Jared. He 459 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:51,160 candided my class. He said, how do you feel about him, Rowan? I told him how he said their 460 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,140 business. He didn't have any harsh feelings, but he said it worked out really good because 461 00:34:55,140 --> 00:35:01,500 he said, coincidentally, I had a deputy quit and I won't replace him. He said, what happens 462 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:06,760 if fountain green pulls out? Then I got to do some rebudging. That's all I said. But he didn't 463 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,500 and how many harsh feelings about it all? 464 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:13,440 No, I've been told that they really don't care. 465 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,560 One way or the other. 466 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,260 Well, that's why asked who's coming Wales, 467 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,740 because they wouldn't want to cover us. 468 00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:22,440 All these miles in between if Wales 469 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,480 wasn't a pass-through for them, 470 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,040 a revenue pass-through for them. 471 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,180 Wales will be in case of problems. 472 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,440 Are we, Jared? 473 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:36,360 It's somebody needs to. 474 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:38,160 I would make a motion that we close this. 475 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,520 Can I bring one more thing up? 476 00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:46,080 After the last city council, I had several people ask me what we're doing with 477 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,660 cascades. 478 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:52,140 And so the words are already out and I was told he was hit with the 479 00:35:52,140 --> 00:36:00,760 major fire. No. Really? There's that one. Again guys, I hate to do this. There's too 480 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,840 many of you here. You can't discuss this. This is not part of our emergency meeting. 481 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,600 Yep, it's not part of the issue. 482 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:12,940 That's fine, I guess it was interesting how it was asked 483 00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:14,300 to meet by several people. 484 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,700 And in a honesty, you can say there's been my knowledge, 485 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:22,360 no decision, and no discussion in any of our meetings 486 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,580 other than what was in the council. 487 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:27,200 I said, I don't know what happened. 488 00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:29,160 And that covers you in a honesty. 489 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,180 And that's the way we need to handle it. 490 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,220 The rumor mill around here's crazy. 491 00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:38,480 I would make a motion that we close this emergency work meeting. 492 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:40,260 Second. 493 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,020 All in favor? 494 00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:42,660 Aye. 495 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:43,880 Yes. 496 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,600 Let it be closed.