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It's 7 o'clock. I'm going to call to order our regularly scheduled billage board meeting. I'll ask for roll call, please. Trustee Yolman. Here. Trustee Ileon. Here, from Trustee Freeman. Here. Trustee Miller. Here. Trustee Barry. Here. Trustee McDonough. Here. President Simtich. Here. Excellent. With that, we'll move on to item two, which is persons' desiring to be heard. Any individual can address the billage board on any topic on or off the agenda per three minutes total throughout the agenda.

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with the exception of anything that is public hearing, we don't have any public hearings tonight.

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So is there anybody in the room who would like to speak?

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Yes, you need to come up to the microphone and just give your name and address please.

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Hello, I'm Cindy and me.

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My husband's home is me and I live at 8327 North Regent Road.

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Our house backs up to Indian Creek Park.

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On August 10th, 2025, floodwater from the Indian Creek Park built up in the ditch east of the tennis courts and came in through our back door.

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It flooded our downstairs to the depth of two and a half feet, destroying almost half of the house's living space.

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Demolition and remediation and reconstruction took almost a year.

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On April 14th, 2026, the same day our contractors completed most of the rebuild, we watched the park

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water build up again and come within 15 feet of our back door. You can only imagine our state of mind

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when we started to duct tape our back door to try to seal it. The reconstruction on the downstairs

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of our house is not completely finalized. It's taken months to strategize research design and order

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are almost water-type door. We also purchased a hurricane floodgate that we will be installing

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over our door every time as storms or we leave town. Our contractor is essentially designing

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a submarine door for our house. We have made significant investments of time, money, effort

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and problem solving to make the house live a goal going forward. Our goal is to be able to continue

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to live in the house that we love so much. However, the house is now a ticking time bomb.

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Increasingly extreme rainfall is creating an inadequate and untenable drainage situation in the

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park and is profoundly impacting our property. We are here tonight to respectfully ask the board

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to please keep the flood mitigation projects specifically the Indian Creek Area Projects

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on top priority. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone online that would like to speak?

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I don't see any. Oh, there's a cap.

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Air McDonald, we've unmuted you or allowed you to speak if you can please unmute my phone.

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Hello, and I'm going to apologize in advance because I'm home single parenting right now. And so you may hear a little toddler running around.

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but first and foremost we need your address please. Oh, sorry. 6, 9, 2, 4 North

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Yates Road. My name is Erin McDonald. Most of you on the board can probably

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assume why I'm talking here today. Here to speak on behalf of the pedestrian

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pathway in Yates Road that was discussed last week. I'm not going to reiterate

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anything that I sent in the email to not waste anyone's time. Though I did

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I just want to follow back up with everyone

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because I greatly appreciate the responses

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from the board members and the conversations

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I've had with a couple of you.

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With that being said, I did watch on August 18th

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and discussions around the sidewalks

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and read through the responses of the emails

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from the board members.

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And it did seem like there's some confusion

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among the board itself around like East First West

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and what was actually decided on the 18th.

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A couple of board members stated that the funding was no longer approved for a company

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to do analysis on both sides, and the confusion came in, like some said, it was approved

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for West, and some said it was East, so I just was curious if there could be some clarification

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there.

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Second, after listening to the August 18th meeting, I noticed that there was two main

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factors cited in denying the funding for analysis.

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One was stormwater runoff and the other was that it would be a waste of money to analyze

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the west side because it was quote detrimental.

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My thought on those factors would actually need to be determined by an engineering analysis

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which for my understanding hasn't been done and won't be done at least on one side of

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the road.

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I would like to ask what the board member meant by saying a sidewalk was detrimental on the

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last and why we wouldn't at least have the information to determine which side of the

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road the sidewalk could be on. On the stormwater runoff, I also would like to understand

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like whether drainage improvements to Yates Road are already guaranteed as part of this

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reconstruction project, separate from whether it's decided about a sidewalk. If drainage

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is already going to be addressed and stormwater runoff wouldn't be a legitimate reason to skip

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the analysis on the sidewalk. And if drainage improvements are not already guaranteed, then

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that it would be even a stronger argument to do the sidewalk analysis on both sides since

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the reconstruction is the time to address both drainage and walkability.

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You know, fax point is a wonderful community.

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I know it has a more rural vibe and that's why my husband and I love it here, but at the

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end of the day, we live in Milwaukee County and Yates Road is a major vein of fax point.

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In residence, safety shouldn't come second to a rural feeling or from the lack of doing the

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the due diligence of understanding store of modern drainage and how it can be engineered to

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incorporate sidewalks, especially when there's over 2,000 vehicles a day on that road. So my

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ask for the board is first to align and clearly communicate what decision was actually made on August

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18. Second is fund the full analysis. Both sides of the eight roads decision can be based on data,

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not assumption. And third, sending out a letter and email to all residents explaining the design

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and construction process for this project and make it clear which meanings can we can attend.

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to have our voices heard about the sidewalk.

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I believe residents voices really need to be heard

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on this topic.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Hey, is there someone in the room

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that would like to speak?

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Is there anyone online that would like to speak next?

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Okay, ma'am, would you like to speak?

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Okay.

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Name an address.

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My name is Kathleen McCarty.

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This is Stephanie in 26 North Crossway.

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And I have some thoughts on the funding of the replacement of the flashpoint pool.

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I support the construction of a new flashpoint pool.

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They have some questions and comments for the Village Board about the report in today's

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agenda concerning the construction and funding of operations in the pool.

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I thank the committee that's been working on the pool replacement.

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However, I realize that the fundraising has not come close to covering the cost of

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the pool. In the attached community center, however, it looks like some of the options listed

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in the report might reopen the door to constructing an operating pool.

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Number one, construction of a new village hall projected to cost 20 million could be cut

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back to five million for improvements only.

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Number two, construction of a community center

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attached to the pool could be dropped.

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Blacks Point as a small community center on Vaughninkert in Whitefish Bay has turned the

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Blacks Bay Theater into a large center for the very thing is that have been mentioned

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or the center at the Blacks Point such as weddings and entertainment parties and so on.

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Do we need another community center?

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Number three, the cost of operating a pool could be offset by reinstating classes.

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17, water bill 8, diving the 7, the JCC, Nikolay, and Wifeish Bay have expressed some

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interest in sharing out bridging costs,

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and number 4, the cost of operations could

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be offset by more non-resident memberships. Returning to engagement rule open in the

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mornings, afternoons, and evenings for all ages could increase non-residents or participation.

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The renderings of the new pool look like they could accommodate classes, left swimming,

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young children, etc. All at the same time. A related question. How was the Mack one from the new

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their pool. Let's do that open in 2027 and a related comment. I support a

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referendum fouling a campaign to educate tax point residents about the possible

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capital projects and the village is considering. Thank you. Thank you. Is there

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someone online that would like to speak? I see a hand. Is that the same? Is there

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anybody else online that would like to speak?

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Is there anyone else in the room that

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that would like to speak now.

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Okay, hearing and seeing none,

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we will move on to the committee reports.

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We do not have a committee report this evening.

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We do not have a public hearing.

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We will move on to number five, the consent agenda.

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Is there any trustee that would like to remove?

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Well, there's only the bills.

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Well, there's, that's not true.

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When it's in bills.

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Would somebody like to remove anything

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can the consent agenda?

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Hearing none, I'll move that we accept

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the consent agenda as presented.

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Thank you.

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I'll ask for a roll call, please.

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Trustee Yuleman.

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Trustee Yulean.

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Trustee Friedman.

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Trustee Miller.

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Aye.

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Trustee Barry.

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Aye.

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Trustee Macdonough.

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Aye.

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President Simgich.

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Aye.

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That motion carries.

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And with that, we will move on to new business.

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A is the referral of the outdoor recreational use request for pickleball play and construction of courts on existing tennis courts, tennis and basketball courts.

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located the Portico's 500 West Bradley Road under Section 745-10 of the Fox Point

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Municipal Code. The details are on page 26 to 30 and I'll remind all of us that

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this is a referral to the Plan Commission.

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Is there a motion to refer?

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We move that we refer the outdoor recreational use request for pickable

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play and construction of courts and existing tennis and basketball courts.

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located at the port at close 500 West Bradley Road under section 7405-10 on the

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Fox Point in this whole code. Okay, we have motion in a second. Is there any

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discussion?

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Okay, I'll ask for a roll call please.

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Trustee Yolman. Aye.

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Trustee Yilian. Aye.

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Trustee Friedman. Aye.

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Trustee Miller. Aye.

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Trustee Barry. Aye.

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Trustee McDowell. Aye.

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President Sinjich. Aye.

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That motion carries. Thank you. Okay, we're going to move on to B. The consideration of an

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ordinance to amend chapter 870 of the village of Fox Point

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Missile Code, regulating and operating all terrain vehicles,

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utility terrain vehicles, snowmobile and off highway motorcycles,

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upon municipal streets and highways.

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And I believe that that's chief treaty.

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Is that chief treaty?

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Who is that being?

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Who is presenting this?

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Chief treaty will be okay.

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Don't be shy.

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Let me know what the back of it.

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kind of covered it all. This is actually a supplement. I wanted everybody back in July,

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be back to see me again. We took a long talk and we didn't have to do this right away, though, I guess.

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This is really a supplement to the e-bike issue that was presented in July.

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We addressed the e-bikes to continue concerns from the community about e-bike operation

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and reckless

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operation, I guess, because we've got quite a few residents who enjoy the

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and recreator on the community on e-bikes lawfully

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and without disregard to the other residents,

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but we have a small group of people

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who are trying to address the e-bike issue

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with mostly juveniles.

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The challenge we have is the products

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that are being purchased are being sold as e-bikes

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and really they're off highway motorcycles

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or electric motorcycles.

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And our only enforcement option right now

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is to issue citations under the DNR code

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to the circuit court downtown and the district attorney's office is really

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not looking to deal with traffic violations for two vows and a lot of more

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seconds. So with help of these let's just turn it we drafted up a

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ordinance that is mimicked the right word I guess Eric that it follows the

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the state code as it's outlined in chapter 23 giving us the same authorities

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that we would have a circuit corp and we have to be useful for it.

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Okay. Do you have anything that you'd like to add to that?

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The only thing I'd add is that we are not opening our streets to use our vehicles.

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We're doing the opposite. We're saying that they're not open to these vehicles.

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Okay. And obviously, you know, in rural areas, these are normal things that you might see out and about.

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but not so much with us, but we are seeing more things that are not typical.

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We are. And this was really designed to address the off-highway motorcycle component.

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However, regionally, we are seeing VTBs, VTBs, and other things appearing on religious streets.

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So we looked at this as the opportunity to get ahead of it rather than come in and feel like we're

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being responsive to the problem and collect it to the issue. So we're addressing

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motorcycle, we've always taken care of all of it. Given that we don't have trails in the area,

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I'll see any parts of the municipal area or neighboring communities standing to include the

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so we are limming the recreational opportunities for our residents.

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Okay. Does anyone in, oh, I'll go to the audience first if that's okay. Thank you. Does anyone

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the audience have anything that they'd like to address about this item? Okay, now I'm going

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to trustee questions and comments. Thank you. Yes, so I just wanted to be clear, for

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example, last time we were talking about carts, go carts, and we said they're not allowed.

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Right. My understanding for these motorcycles was that you have to have a license if it goes

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above a certain speed, but you're saying they're not going to be allowed at all, either.

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So there is one category of off-highway motorcycle, it's called a dual sport.

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If you spent any time in rural areas or whatever, or out of the dirt tracks, they were called

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motocross that were freebago.

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So these dual sport motocross bikes meet the DOT requirements and all of the regulations

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license as motor vehicles, those are exempted from the ordinance because they are authorized

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under state statute. So if you have a properly registered licensed motor vehicle, you can operate it

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at the moment. But if you are operating dirt bike, mini bike, electric motor cross,

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and durable motor cross, trail sport bike, anything like that that's intended for trail riding,

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obstacle riding, competition riding, those are not street necks. So that's going to be an educational

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campaign. Yep and that's more spending most of our time right now is we've got a lot of education

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going on to parents who thought because I didn't know. You had the children came home and said

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so what I want this is what my friends have and we're trying to kind of cut that off the pass.

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So the tool you actually have a license plate on that vehicle? Is that correct? Right,

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license plate headlights, tail lights, mirrors, DOT required reflectors, reddened the red in the back

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in the front or vice versa. So other than use, there's not a difference

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functionally then with the Harley or something like that. I mean they operate the same

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other way other than an expanded territory. Is that correct? Right. So if you were to get a

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if you looked at a street legal motor cross flight versus an off highway motor cross flight,

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you would see some slight differences.

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You'd be able to see the travel space

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between the back wheel and the tires designed

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for these large jumps and to take the,

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for instance, they would still have the same

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knobby tires and things like that.

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They would just have headlights, tail lights,

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blinkers, license plate mirrors.

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They'd meet all the DOT safety requirements.

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Okay.

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It's a small category of people.

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I think that most of the people in this area

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would probably be buying a traditional motorcycle

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a little bit. If they were truly into off-roading, they'd be taking in some place in a more

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rural area, they would have a dedicated and more cross-like.

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Okay. Yes. So this has no crossover with the e-bike rules. This is a separate thing.

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It's a separate thing because people are buying products that are advertised as e-lifes

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that are truly off highway motorcycles. Okay. So if you have pedals on an e-bike, what about

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e-scooters, which category they fall into. They fall into this category.

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Did you not? They fell under scooters and bicycles.

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Thanks.

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It's one of those things where the legislators are definitely not moving into the

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pace. We're trying to move that and we're trying to keep up with the pace of technology and

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marketways.

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Seems like they've like in the last year they've just exploded.

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Yep.

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Was alien.

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My other question was that we mentioned roadways, but again I go back to more paths.

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They're not included in this ordinance.

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I don't have the ordinance or from you.

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I thought we covered the roadways.

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Street Highway, alley, roadway, public park, public right-of-way.

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So would our paths be a public right-of-way?

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Is that what we're saying?

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So highway, if I may, highway is one of the terms that is used.

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And that is to find a stable ought to be any right-of-way.

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It's a highway, a sidewalk, because I did not know.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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It's a highway.

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So we can drive off.

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But I also learned.

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You can drive on the roadway.

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I also learned that we can't call certain things sidewalks,

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because that implies ownership.

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We prefer public paths.

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So I think it's a brave new world of vocabulary.

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There's a definition for a multi-use path.

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way by way they all get their own. Yeah. And yes, Mr. Alman.

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To show my age, we used to have license plates for bicycles. We don't have those in

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virtually. You voted them out. Not me. We still offer them to the village. We've taken away the

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requirements. We've been offered the service, the residents to assist them, but we've now identified

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there are numerous apps, databases, and things like that, where people can register their bicycles

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if they're missing or lost, they can be covered up a lot faster than through local places.

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Do you offer vanity plates?

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Sure do.

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A next number of the sequels.

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Okay. Any other questions?

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Yes.

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I just asked a question about the wording, the actual wording, where, for example, on 590s-2C,

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In A and B, you specify, we're talking about H to B, U, T, V, you know, etc., etc.

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And C, it just says, no person may use any village street or highway

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for travel between private property trails, etc.

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I mean, I know you what you're talking about is if you're on one of these vehicles.

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But I don't know if that's worth specifying.

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That's just making some of what you can walk in the village.

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And the same thing flies under 5.90.

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3. The lawful crossing of a street or highway went expressly authorized

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I was an accomplice in management.

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It just doesn't mention the vehicles.

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That's a Mr. Larson question.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's a good point.

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I think we could say and see no person made.

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The problem is we have such a laundry list here.

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Right.

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But maybe just use such vehicles on any.

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You live street.

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Are the above mentioned vehicles or something?

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It's the same language that in 93.

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And then the last question is, do we really want these things to be usable on private property?

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We don't have huge lots, all like people have 10 acre lots here, so that's just something

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to think about whether or not they want these vehicles to be used on private property.

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Yeah, we were our primary concern, obviously, was the roadways and we were not going to

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get as a private property rights, but I can understand your concern, I hope because my neighbor

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or client meet drivers will be in ATV year-round that book.

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That must be fun.

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Saturday is nice.

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I think you're right, we don't have big properties.

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I think it's a can of worms to try to regulate that

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on private property, but not the expert on this.

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Mr. Larson, do you have any thoughts?

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I think if we were gonna try to regulate this on private

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property, we'd have to take another swing in it.

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That's telling people that we're just trying to control

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are a right of ways at this time trying to control what they do on the, probably a different

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ordinance on a different set of grades.

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So this just says that this ordinance does not apply to private properties and if we wanted

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to do that we would come back with something a different ordinance that would replace this

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but it would sit with it.

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Yes.

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Can I ask a question?

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Yeah.

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Where is the second place where we should thank this change?

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It's just 5.93.

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Again, it just says the lawful crossing of a street.

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This order is shown off.

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Provided the lawful crossing the street.

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It doesn't mention again.

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It's by the above.

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You know, you mentioned.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So we've got two adjustments.

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One in 5.90-2.

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One in 5.90-3.

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I'm guessing we're all clear on what those are, is that correct?

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Okay, so I would feel, are there other comments or questions at this time?

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Yes.

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The only thing I think the wear-ass is don't really matter, right?

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But it's kind of garbled on the wear-ass as well.

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I don't know if it's worth changing, but for example, what's in the first wear-ass?

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It's also in the second wear-ass kind of defeats.

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and also the first, whereas only says ATV, whereas in the second, whereas we're talking about ATV, UTV, so on, and off highway.

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So, well, the first one does mention ATVs, UTVs, snowmobiles, off highway motorcycles, the second one mentions ATVs, UTVs, snowmobiles, or off highway.

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We don't have time out the second sentence where it says the village has determined that there are no designated ETV routes.

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There would only mention ATV, whereas the next one, it goes on to say the exact same thing.

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The village finds that there's no designated ATV, UTV, snowmobile or op highway.

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Okay.

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The hills are connected. It just repeats, that's all.

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And the first one for some reason is only ATVs in the second one is ATVs and everything else.

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But again, I don't think the whereas is matter, right? It's the ordinance.

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Well, they set the tone. Yes, Mr. President.

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As long as you're drafting, you should put a definition of pride, use it one time.

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I could.

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So as to the preamble, yes, we could modify the preamble.

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It's not necessary to do that.

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And we could add a definition.

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We do have a definition section 590-1.

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I

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guess it depends on how I think with the change my own recommendation is to make the change that Trustee Elian pointed out in 590-2 and 590-3, which would add clarify that those subsections referring to the same vehicles, you above note its vehicles.

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Okay.

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But then I think unless you have concerns, I think it's legally good to go.

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Okay. I understand your points and I understand your advice.

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Does anybody else have anything this time?

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Okay. So I will move that we adopt the ordinance.

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This amending chapter 870 of the Village Fox Point Municipal Code, regulating the operation

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of 18 altering vehicles, utility terrain vehicles, snowmobiles, and off highway motorcycles

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upon municipal streets and highways, as described in pages 31 to 35, with the two amendments

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that we discussed that clarify the vehicle titles.

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Okay. Any further discussion? I'll ask for a vote. Call please.

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Ms. Yollman.

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Cecilia.

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Hi.

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Cassie Friedman.

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Hi.

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Cassie Miller.

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Hi.

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Cassie Berry.

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Hi.

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Cassie McDonough.

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Hi.

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President Stitch.

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Hi.

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That motion carries.

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Okay.

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Now we're going to move into capital improvement plan.

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You're sitting back there.

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like, there's not going to go on. Who's going to do this?

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I'm going to start out. I've got a-

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Well, Scott, don't get too comfy back there.

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We will have public work director come up and talk about some of the projects

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that after I go through a presentation to introduce some of the key information

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here.

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One is to talk a little bit provided overview here. I'm going to talk about the purpose of

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capo planning why we do this and kind of what the goals are and I think especially what staff

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is looking for from the village board as we go through this. There's two capital improvements plans,

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five-year plans that I'll be walking through a baseline and an alternate, and I'll explain

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what the differences of those are, and then I've done some analysis of the impact of the

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five-year plans, both baseline and the alternate on village debt that's outstanding and then

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finally some conclusions and recommendations.

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The reason that we do this, and the reason we do it in advance of the adoption of an annual budget, is really trying to take a high level of view of the long-term capital needs.

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and well you can ask questions about specific projects or specific lines that's absolutely

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fine. Really what I don't want to get lost in that conversation though is sort of what

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the overall picture looks like and what the overall capital needs looked like in terms

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to financing, whether to provide some comparison of the overall long-term needs with the availability

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of funds, and to give you some information and look for some feedback on what the village

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can't afford, how much we want to go forward with, and also looks at coordination of projects,

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and this is where Mr. Brandweiner gets particularly involved. If we're redoing the road,

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We should take a look at the water mains, the sewer mains, and the infrastructure.

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Underneath the road and analyze to look at how old it is, how likely it is it's going to need to be replaced before the useful life of the actual pavement is is over with so that we're not building a road and then a few years later coming up and coming out tearing it up to replace the water and underneath. So those that topic coordination is helpful. And then also communication with residents. This is an opportunity for residents to kind of express what their priorities are and what they are.

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the AC is the village needs and also for the board and staff to communicate with the

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village residents on what, you know, our perception of those needs.

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Staff tends to think a lot more about infrastructure that's under the ground than residents do,

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you know, as a, when I look outside my window at home, not necessarily wondering how old

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is a sanitary sewer. How old is the water main? What are those things going to need to be replaced?

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That's kind of stuff that keeps Mr. Brandmeyer awake at night and keeps him stopping in my office

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frequently to talk about those kinds of issues. So staff thinks about those and it's opportunity for

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communication both ways.

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So let me talk a little bit about the baseline projection here and as we put

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this together and I'm going to say that the bulk of the conversation and the bulk of

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the time that we spent in analyzing this was in public works.

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Does it mean that the police projects are important or the administration projects

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for things like loading machines or items like that, but the bulk of the dollars are in DPW.

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And as I put in one of my updates recently, you know, it's a five-point congratulations

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on turning 100.

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The downside of that is there's also a lot of very old infrastructure.

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And we have some infrastructure, water mains, sewer mains, they can last 100 years.

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And we, where I can talk a little bit more about a whole, some of the infrastructures out

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there, but we definitely have infrastructure that's that's at or or beyond its useful

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life.

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You're going to see some fairly big numbers in this baseline and the next baseline, the

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next alternative CIP, but that reflects the aging infrastructure.

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So this is going to be the main difference between the baseline and the alternate.

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And if the baseline includes $25.2 million for facilities, and that includes $20 million

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for a village hall slash DPW facility, and $4 million for a village contribution to

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a new pool.

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Those are decisions that the board has yet to make.

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I'm not assuming anything with those decisions, but wanted to show that information for illustration.

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It is a very conceptual estimate, it could be somewhat higher than that.

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I doubt that it would be any lower than that.

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The $4 million dollar bill's contribution for the pool is based on the current resolution

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that is the existing policy of the board.

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It will also see $23.1 million for road reconstruction and repaving.

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That in some cases does include replacement of other infrastructure under the roads.

460
00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:39,120
So that isn't only repaving but it involves reconstruction of the entire road bed in some

461
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,540
cases.

462
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:49,200
There's also $9.9 million for sanitary sewer work, $7.1 million for storm water management

463
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,720
projects.

464
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:57,540
And both of those, as we've heard, as long as in my, what's five months, six months

465
00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:01,840
now with the village, I think at every meeting, there's bad residents who've come up and expressed

466
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,960
concern over those items and this capital improvement plans reflect that.

467
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:18,940
One thing I did not get into to a great extent in this presentation and analysis is a funding source for the project.

468
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:27,060
There's some projects that are going to be funded out of the tax levy, some from the water utility, some from sewer utility, some from stormwater utility.

469
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:33,960
So that's another step down the road to kind of break out the projects to determine which

470
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,460
one of those funding sources is appropriate for which projects.

471
00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:44,820
But the bottom line is ultimately those costs are going to be paid for by the latest residents,

472
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:49,560
whether they pay for that under annual property tax bill or their quarterly utility bill,

473
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,040
those project costs are by large going to be paid for by the latest residents.

474
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:04,420
So this is more detail on the information that I just presented, I'm not going to go through line by line on this.

475
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,360
You have a printout that shows this, but it brings it out by year.

476
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:12,940
I will make a couple of just explanatory comments.

477
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:23,040
Any time you put together a five-year program, and I've been doing this for almost 40 years now,

478
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,520
you'll find that you have much better information

479
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:29,040
in the early years than in the later years.

480
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,660
And some departments, some types of expenditures

481
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:36,560
have better data in out years than others.

482
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:41,540
So in some cases, looking out at like 2031

483
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,280
on this spreadsheet, I did just plug in some numbers.

484
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,360
For example, under equipment shows $750,000.

485
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:57,000
the actual equipment that it was identified in what I had in my discussions with departments

486
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:04,960
was smaller than that, but I know that we're going to spend a good $750,000 each year on equipment.

487
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,820
Those needs are going to be there so we should plan for it. So that's an example of how I've done that

488
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:12,700
and how I've adjusted it.

489
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,580
So I'll move on to the alternate.

490
00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:25,260
So this is basically the same plan, but removes the real-chall expenditure and the pool.

491
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:32,100
So in looking at real-chall, this is going to be an important decision for the board to

492
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:41,100
make not tonight, but over the next few months and continuing decision-making over the next

493
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:49,240
couple of years, but looking at the study that was done in 2019 from variato sin, and just

494
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:56,680
my own observations of the facility. I think for anybody who's been in the meetings and we did

495
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,340
the air conditioning is complete and that should be good for a while, but I think it's an example of some

496
00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:10,920
of the the failing components of this building. I don't think it's reasonable to not include anything.

497
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:16,820
There is going to have to be work on the bill at all, whether it's a demolition and

498
00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:22,560
reconstruction or whether it is a renovation and expansion.

499
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:32,260
So again, just using a plug number that is very preliminary, I included $5 million for

500
00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:32,680
improvements.

501
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,220
So remove the $20 million and put $5 million in.

502
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:48,980
And then also, I remove the funding for the pool and it does not include any funding for any improvements to the vacated space where the pool used to be. All of the other numbers remain the same.

503
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:59,880
So that leaves us with a total of $61 million in projects spread over those five years.

504
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:07,980
And you can see that the facility's number dropped down to $9.9 million and that's the

505
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:12,460
bulk of the change is in that facility's line.

506
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:21,940
So one of the next important questions is how affordable is all this?

507
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:31,180
How much can the village take on both in terms of financing and also in terms of delivering

508
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:38,240
delivery projects. There's a lot of different ways to look at debt, but I think one of

509
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:48,820
those that is fairly straightforward and most helpful is looking at debt as a percentage

510
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:55,460
of our statutory debt limit. So for those who might be listening online or in the audience,

511
00:38:55,460 --> 00:39:02,800
The state of Wisconsin sets a statutory limit on the amount of debt, general obligation

512
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,520
debt that municipalities are allowed to limit at 5% of equalized value.

513
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:14,180
So basically, look at the value of all the properties within the village and we're limited

514
00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:17,820
to only borrowing up to 5% of that total value.

515
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:29,380
As of December 31, 2025, we had $25.3 million in outstanding debt and that puts that

516
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:32,060
at about 30% of the statutory debt limit.

517
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:44,280
And I'm going to, I developed a model that could look at how some of the decisions that

518
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,920
the board makes about long-term capital projects, capital planning would affect that overall

519
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,540
debt limit.

520
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:57,000
I have a caveat, and here in the models that I used, I assume that all debt would be

521
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,400
general obligation debt, and the statutory debt limit would apply.

522
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440
That doesn't have to be the case.

523
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:11,360
The village could issue what's referred to as revenue debt, which does not apply, whether

524
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:18,640
that would not apply towards the statutory debt limit.

525
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:24,080
And I think for the purposes of the discussion, it's not necessarily important to make that

526
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:30,580
distinction because we're looking at basically the level of that, the amount of that and

527
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:31,580
the affordability of it.

528
00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:38,240
So but I just also wanted to say that there are some things that the village can and we'll

529
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,920
probably want to consider in the future as we take on some of these projects to balance

530
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,120
out the way we do that.

531
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:53,360
The model also assumes that every year we finance 10% of the project costs with cash.

532
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:01,400
And that's basically if you look at especially our utilities with what our cash flow is.

533
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,380
That's about what the cash flow that we're able to generate to partly cash finance those projects.

534
00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:16,400
I would say that as we look at long-term financial planning, we probably would want to increase

535
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:16,820
that.

536
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:24,160
That's something that would be better if it was 25% would be a really good target in long run.

537
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:31,340
But the only way to achieve that is to slow down the replacement of infrastructure, which

538
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:37,200
I think could cause issues or increase in the utility bills.

539
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,080
and what people are paying on the utility bills in order to bring in that cash.

540
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:48,480
But that's, I think, again, a part of another longer discussion, and I'll get to that in

541
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,620
my conclusions and recommendations.

542
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:59,000
So as we look at what these two alternatives do, I just put together a simple diagram here,

543
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:13,860
And there's no law or rule or limit on how much or principle on how much of the debt limit is acceptable.

544
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:26,460
But obviously the closer you get to that debt limit, it means the less flexibility you have to respond to unforeseen circumstances or to major problems.

545
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:34,520
And so you want to, I think, I think a lower percentage of debt limit utilizes better.

546
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:42,820
I'm just putting it for illustration in kind of a general rule of thumb here, a stoplight

547
00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:48,880
where less than 40% of the statutory debt limit is a green light, I think we're doing

548
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,300
well, we're at 30% right now so we're doing very well, we're in that green light area.

549
00:42:54,300 --> 00:43:01,340
I think when you start getting around 50% it starts getting more into the yellow light

550
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:03,600
where some caution is necessary.

551
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:09,820
Some communities I know of have, because they're facing infrastructure needs like we are,

552
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:15,740
have recently changed their debt policy to 50% of the statutory limit when it used to be

553
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:16,780
lower than that.

554
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,300
So you are seeing more movement in that direction.

555
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,140
And I think when you start getting about 60%,

556
00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:26,800
it's some warning lights are going off

557
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,680
that's a relatively high level of debt

558
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,380
for a community to take on.

559
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:36,470
So here's just a simple chart that shows

560
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:40,090
with the baseline in blue

561
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:43,390
and the alternative without Village Hall

562
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:44,890
or the pool in orange.

563
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:47,790
And the numbers are a little bit hard

564
00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:57,810
to read on the screen, but at the baseline scenario, we do, in 2030, get over 80% of the

565
00:43:57,810 --> 00:44:06,750
statutory debt limit and it declines slowly after that. And under the alternate scenario,

566
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:15,610
we get roughly 65% of the statutory debt limit and it declines slowly after that. So,

567
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:21,650
So, um, and honestly those are significant jumps up from the 30% that we're at right

568
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:21,970
now.

569
00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:32,530
So, um, I think the capital planning process and taking a look at both what we need

570
00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:38,130
to do and what we can and should do for capital projects as well as how we're going to pay

571
00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:38,850
for it.

572
00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:44,070
It's going to be an important discussion for the board for this budget and for future

573
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:52,610
your budgets. So, some conclusions and recommendations. I think I've already kind of stated this

574
00:44:52,610 --> 00:44:59,330
first one. There's really some important policy and financial issues to talk about in upcoming meetings.

575
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,700
Five-point is not alone by any stretch. I think I've maybe mentioned before. I live in Womitosa

576
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:13,560
on the public deck commission for Womitosa. It's going, they're going through the same issues

577
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:21,320
with older infrastructure and increasing debt and working through that. The challenge is,

578
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:28,740
the thing that they have that we don't want to at Fox Point is they have more opportunities for

579
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:31,280
or development and growth, other equalized values.

580
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:33,780
So that makes our challenge a little bit harder.

581
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,640
And we're not going to be able to resolve all the issues

582
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,000
tonight, that's not the intent,

583
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:40,840
but the intent is to start the discussion

584
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,180
and the conversation.

585
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,960
So we've got the second conclusion that I have

586
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:54,340
is that we are in the process of bringing on

587
00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:57,660
a consultant to do some additional analysis

588
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:06,120
a stormwater infrastructure analysis and really do a review to determine what improvements

589
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,620
do we need in our stormwater system to help prevent the types of flooding that we've

590
00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:22,400
had in recent years and with some of the heavy storms that have hit us and some of the unusual

591
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,120
whether that seems to be recurring

592
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,060
and not only in Fox Point, but other areas.

593
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,640
So that's, we're in the process right now,

594
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,300
actually, of reviewing proposals.

595
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,040
And I think in October, we'll be back

596
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,140
with a recommendation to the Board for a consultant

597
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:38,760
to do that.

598
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:43,200
And I think that's really important to get that data,

599
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,020
that information so that we can use those condition

600
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:47,540
assessments and help prioritize

601
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:51,880
as scheduled projects and then matched up with the financing plan.

602
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:59,450
Third, and I think this was previously stated,

603
00:46:59,870 --> 00:47:03,490
the village facilities are really kind of a linchpin

604
00:47:03,490 --> 00:47:07,690
when it comes to balancing long-term capital needs and long-term financing.

605
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:14,510
There's a real challenge and I think there's going to be some difficult decisions

606
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:17,610
for the board to make on how to move forward to that.

607
00:47:17,610 --> 00:47:25,430
There's, you know, clearly some needs that have to be met and how we approach that and how we meet those needs is going to be critical.

608
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:38,690
And I've not a decision for tonight, but in the future, the Public Works Director and I have been gathering information on the completion of a facility's master plan,

609
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:43,050
which I think would be very helpful to some of these long-term decisions.

610
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:50,910
Knowing whether it's a reconstruction, whether it's a renovation and expansion of this building,

611
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:56,470
even looking at something like the police building, which is relatively new,

612
00:47:56,790 --> 00:48:03,370
but starting to plan out into the future, how should we be handling that building?

613
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:19,910
is we long term want to continue to maintain and operate out of that building or is there a better or more cost effective approach to combining it with a new facility if there is any facility here or we're adding on to this facility.

614
00:48:20,550 --> 00:48:31,490
Those are the types of decisions that I think having that type of long term information helps to make sure that the limited dollars that the village has.

615
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:34,770
for capital improvements are used really efficiently.

616
00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:38,830
So that will be something, again, that will be in a future meeting.

617
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:47,890
But I think as we were working on, as I was working on this presentation and the analysis,

618
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:59,250
one thing that we don't have, and to be fair, most communities don't have this is a five-year

619
00:48:59,250 --> 00:49:07,570
financial plan for each one of our utility funds and I'm going to take a closer look at what

620
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:16,330
it would take to get that done and how that would work but I think I'll use one of my experiences

621
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:26,450
in a previous position. I had to live through a 60 percent increase in water bills because there

622
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:43,270
It wasn't a five-year financial plan, and there were obligations that were taken on long-term obligations without corresponding incremental increases in water bills so that when those long-term obligations came due, they were able to pay for it.

623
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:45,190
And I don't ever want to go through that again.

624
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:48,590
I don't want any of any of you as elected officials

625
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:50,550
or any of our residents to have to go through that.

626
00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:53,650
And the way to prevent that is to have these five year plans

627
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:55,610
that can kind of project out and look at those things.

628
00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:06,950
And then the fifth one, as you look at these dollars,

629
00:50:07,290 --> 00:50:10,750
there will be an impact on both property tax bills

630
00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:17,750
and quarterly utility bills, you know, as the aging infrastructure is replaced, that's

631
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:23,070
going to, people are going to notice it, and we need to make sure that we're communicating

632
00:50:23,070 --> 00:50:28,390
that and getting that information out. I think this is, this conversation tonight is maybe

633
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:33,430
a first step in that, but it can't be the last step in, and that's really a staff responsibility

634
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:42,410
to try to, you know, inform and educate the residents on what needs to be done, why

635
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:47,230
a cost would it cost, and how it affects their property tax bills in the short term

636
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:47,830
at the long term.

637
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:54,430
So that kind of ends my part of the discussion.

638
00:50:55,470 --> 00:50:59,770
I don't know if you want to pause and there are any questions or discussion, and Mr. Brand

639
00:50:59,770 --> 00:51:03,250
I might as well go through some more detail,

640
00:51:03,850 --> 00:51:05,090
particularly the road program.

641
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:08,310
Great.

642
00:51:09,310 --> 00:51:12,290
I would like to, if we can understand a little more,

643
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:13,830
or I would like to understand a little more about

644
00:51:14,350 --> 00:51:19,950
how we got here, is it seems like things aren't falling

645
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:22,270
from the sky, but it seems like things are crumbly,

646
00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:23,750
but we've known that for so long.

647
00:51:24,270 --> 00:51:28,090
Why do we, is it not typical to budget

648
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:30,230
to have to replace things?

649
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:33,190
We seem to have never done that for any of our stuff.

650
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:40,130
Well, and some of it is, there are some decisions where I think if you look back 20 years

651
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:44,970
ago and boy, they have done that differently, things would be a little bit better than there

652
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:45,430
right now.

653
00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:53,950
But I think what happens here, it happens to a lot of communities, is a lot of the infrastructure,

654
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:57,650
a lot of the growth takes place in a relatively short period of time.

655
00:51:57,650 --> 00:52:04,390
So, and I haven't read my Fox Point History book yet, I got to get to that, that's on my reading list.

656
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:10,370
But, you know, if I were to go back, I would see that a lot of the water mains, sewer mains,

657
00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:19,350
roads and infrastructure were put in and maybe a 20-year time through when Fox Point really developed it and grew out.

658
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:27,330
And now it's all over a relatively short period of time, it needs to be replaced.

659
00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:49,850
So, it's not that unusual that you can see communities that maybe haven't had to spend as much or put into their capital improvements program as much for long periods of time until all of a sudden things start appearing that need to be dealt with.

660
00:52:50,530 --> 00:52:55,790
You know, just as an example of the last week or so, we've had three water mains breaks.

661
00:52:56,250 --> 00:53:01,610
Now, that doesn't mean that those water mains have to be replaced all of them tomorrow

662
00:53:01,610 --> 00:53:03,090
or even next year.

663
00:53:03,370 --> 00:53:09,250
But that's an indication that when you start seeing these failures, that it is aging.

664
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:17,750
So, you know, we could go back and look at, you know, in 1998, did the village not fund

665
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:25,630
the road program and maybe that would have made things better if they had. I'm sure there

666
00:53:25,630 --> 00:53:32,250
are things like that, but the primary driver is the fact that this infrastructure is all

667
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:38,110
constructed in a relatively short period of time, and now it's reaching the end of its

668
00:53:38,110 --> 00:53:38,590
useful life.

669
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:45,670
I'll add another flavor to that because I was kind of where you are a little bit, and

670
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:47,270
probably five or six years ago,

671
00:53:47,610 --> 00:53:51,130
I spoke with Mr. Brandmeyer about it and Mr. Bacher.

672
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:53,390
And I said, well, if we have this problem

673
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:55,350
and we have this debt capacity,

674
00:53:55,830 --> 00:53:58,150
why are we not doubling our roads

675
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:59,210
or whatever, right?

676
00:53:59,270 --> 00:54:00,890
Because we can afford it, right?

677
00:54:01,550 --> 00:54:03,330
And the answer that came back to me was like,

678
00:54:03,550 --> 00:54:05,610
oh, yeah, that was a kind of a light bulb thing.

679
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:08,090
Because what happens is with all these projects,

680
00:54:08,090 --> 00:54:11,730
you need staff to push it through and supervise it

681
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:14,850
and do all the bid documents and do all of that stuff.

682
00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:19,730
and we don't have the flexibility in our levy cap limit to put the staff in.

683
00:54:20,330 --> 00:54:26,930
So we're in some ways, you know, cash short and debt ability heavy.

684
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:32,710
Because, you know, we're going to have to figure out how to work some of the staffing through.

685
00:54:33,390 --> 00:54:38,850
And at some point, you know, I was having a conversation with Mr. Friedman last week about debt.

686
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:44,190
And we may have to decide at some point with our operations which this is not.

687
00:54:44,190 --> 00:54:49,250
that we may have to figure out okay are we gonna be able to stick with our

688
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:53,570
levy cap limit or not but that's a different different thing but it relates to

689
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:57,490
this because that's how you pay for the people that can actually see the

690
00:54:57,490 --> 00:55:03,750
project through so if we had two to three more people in the DPW upstairs with

691
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:09,230
Scott working on these things that's a different situation too so it all kind of

692
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:17,770
messes together, but so far we've chosen to be a little bit and I would say you know I've been sitting

693
00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:23,610
around 16 years and we do plan it you know in five-year increments and we push things out as we

694
00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:31,870
need to push something else in so there's a plan but it's not as aggressive as we might want

695
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:39,180
which need I don't know fill in the blank so Miss Alia. When was the police station built?

696
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:50,360
I asked a similar short end question of Scott after the April meeting that you had a longer

697
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,880
term discussion about and I've got the same short end answer about planning.

698
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:05,560
I know I appreciate the graph on the debt limit and how the slope down is long and slow.

699
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:17,440
and I have to make the comment that it doesn't take into account the next unknown that may surprise us that may keep that line going in a different direction.

700
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:24,300
So I just as a general comment I think prudence is all for.

701
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:33,620
Well, the one thing I noticed on here is with, you know, the more expensive scenario even

702
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:37,540
over time, we still don't get down to 60 percent.

703
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:43,440
So it's high, it's high, it's salient.

704
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,620
Can you explain what assumptions are used when you made this graph?

705
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,600
We don't have any information about the debt service levy, trying to understand how we even

706
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,240
and only get up to 83% of the,

707
00:56:55,540 --> 00:57:00,140
I mean, our limit is 83.8.

708
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,540
And we're borrowing, if we're just borrowing

709
00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:07,440
the DPW contracts, and including using 10%,

710
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,700
you're borrowing another 70 million.

711
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:11,840
Unless, and so I would like to know

712
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,360
how you got this graph to.

713
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:14,500
Sure, sure.

714
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:19,300
And I'd be happy to sit down and walk through

715
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,700
outside of the meeting in more detail, the spreadsheet.

716
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:28,120
It's a little sloppy, but not really suitable for presentation, but basically what I did

717
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:28,720
for the model.

718
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:35,400
I started with the capital improvements plan and looked at the total amount that we'd

719
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,340
have to borrow each year, assuming 10% cash financing.

720
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,500
Then I took the schedule of our existing debt, which was laid out in detail.

721
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,060
That's unknown.

722
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:51,640
And I started with, I think it's $25 million in outstanding, and then each year over the

723
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,600
next 10 years, that gets paid down.

724
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,940
So if you look at the spreadsheet, I've got a column that shows that going from $25 million

725
00:57:57,940 --> 00:58:00,860
to $0 over the next 10 years.

726
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:09,820
Then I took the amount of that that we would be issuing for the projects that were listed,

727
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:18,980
each year of the capital improvements program, and I added those, the total amount of debt

728
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:25,800
issued each year, and then assume that we'd have basically a level principal payment.

729
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:31,900
Now, when we issue debt, especially notes that bonds these days, but when we issue debt,

730
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,120
it's not always exactly level principal, which is for the purpose of this model, I assume

731
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:43,100
level principal payment over that period, so that's added on top of 10 years, the

732
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:50,300
for 10 years. Now, that's also you could make an argument that especially for a

733
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:55,560
one-time facility cost, you'd probably do that over 20 years, and that would be

734
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:02,480
another option, although would make this and these curves look worse, but if you

735
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,100
wanted to spread that tax-letting impact over longer period of time, you could use

736
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:11,160
20-year financing for some of the infrastructure projects as well but that's going to make

737
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:19,260
these curves look worse than they are and then finally I used a assumption of a 4% annual

738
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:30,680
growth in equalized value so 4% which is yeah well and that doesn't change if it's 4% or

739
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,680
2% doesn't change the...

740
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,780
Talking about the assessed value.

741
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:35,120
No, equalized value.

742
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:35,900
Oh, OK.

743
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:36,860
So yeah, right.

744
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:37,240
Yeah.

745
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:45,820
So over the next 10 years, and I chose 4% even though

746
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:48,380
that might be, can I argue that's a little optimistic?

747
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,700
I did it also want to present the worst case scenario here.

748
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:59,580
If there is 2% or 1%

749
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,880
Growth and equalized value, again, these cars are going to be worse than what they look like here. I think that's, I mean, that

750
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,560
might understand how you didn't reach the limit, because that's a pretty aggressive assumption.

751
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:31,230
It could be. If I, if I, if I got how you didn't go over the limit, if we don't get 4% growth and equalized value, and what matters is our assessed value, right? That's, it's not, is it based, is the limit based on equalized value? Space and equalized value.

752
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Could we mention what doubling this does to somebody's tax dose for a thousand, a thousand

753
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,580
assess value?

754
01:00:45,730 --> 01:00:46,400
I don't.

755
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,460
I did not run numbers on that yet.

756
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:59,940
And in part, because another, it really, to answer that question with any degree of accuracy,

757
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:04,720
see, I really have to develop another model that then splits out the funding source.

758
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:09,920
So that's a little bit more complicated, I don't have that at this meeting.

759
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:10,580
Okay.

760
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,040
And then the equalized value is calculated by the state every year.

761
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:15,860
Yes.

762
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,680
Yes, Ms. Gray.

763
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,720
More quick question, hopefully.

764
01:01:21,740 --> 01:01:27,120
We were talking about utility costs and how, is it true that we haven't raised our rates

765
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,580
on the villagers in a long time, or did they raise a small amount of year?

766
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:42,900
There have been increases, I would say small adjustments, and Mr. Brandmeier probably has

767
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:44,580
more of the history on this than I do.

768
01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:51,500
I think it's been, small increases and not every utility every year, but I think last year

769
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:53,880
there was a pretty significant increase.

770
01:01:53,880 --> 01:02:00,400
Water last year, which I could water previous to that, so there have been, there have been increases.

771
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,840
Is that on a schedule or anything or is that just random or ad hoc?

772
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:14,020
And that's where I think a five year plan would really be helpful to look at to, and there's two,

773
01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:21,840
the water utility is governed by the PSC, so there's, that's a little bit more complicated process,

774
01:02:22,540 --> 01:02:25,720
and there's two different types of rate increases.

775
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:28,360
There's what's called a base rate increase,

776
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,480
which can allow for, I believe it's,

777
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:37,000
3% increase without having to go through a PSC review process.

778
01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:42,440
Anything above that level has to go through what's called a rate case,

779
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:47,780
which is about a six month to a year long process

780
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:57,780
of answering lots of questions from the PSE and planning when that would take place,

781
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:04,300
I think with the capital numbers we're looking at, probably going to have to be a rate case

782
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:10,900
submitted at some point, kind of planning when that is and how that fits into other base

783
01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:16,540
rate increases is important to have that five year plan.

784
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:31,980
I would also add we've not done them regularly and there have been the conversations of the difference between a step up every year or two and then a jump of every five years or whatever.

785
01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:38,260
So we've had the conversation in the past but we have not regularly looked at scheduling and increases.

786
01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:40,760
is, so Mr. McDonough.

787
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:46,820
Perhaps as a follow-up, it's not, if you can guess to me at it, but of the 25 cents

788
01:03:46,820 --> 01:03:53,140
of every real estate tax dollar collected, what does that represent as a percentage of

789
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:56,780
the revenue collected in the village?

790
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:00,240
That goes back to that, what would this mean?

791
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:03,220
Just wild, we guess.

792
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:07,600
Do you mean, just to make sure to say the question of the, like, have a property tax bill how

793
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:13,760
much closer to the debt letting? Or is that—you say you couldn't do the schedule now, or you'd

794
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,040
have to sit down and do the schedules, but just very rough justice, because the village

795
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:25,300
only gets a certain small percentage of the real estate taxes coming back to it. Oh, I see

796
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:28,080
percentage of revenue that the village gets.

797
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:37,920
Well, actually, the part I mean kind of misspoke, but the part that makes this complicated

798
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:44,300
to answer the question about the property tax bill is that as I haven't gone through

799
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:51,360
the process, so in the plan, $9.9 million is for sanitary sewer projects.

800
01:04:51,360 --> 01:05:00,520
And that likely, unless the board decides to do something differently, likely none of that would be on property tax bill.

801
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,820
That would entirely be on the utility bill.

802
01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:18,600
So I haven't gone through for the total amount of debt that would be issued and to define how much would be would actually affect the property tax limit versus the sewer bill, storm sewer bill, water bill.

803
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:26,500
That's the piece that I have to do to do that, and once I get to that, then I can answer that question.

804
01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:38,960
So, but if I'm going to take a real, just ask a real guesstimate at it.

805
01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:50,300
You know, I would say that you're looking at the debt service portion of our levy probably doubling over the next five or six years.

806
01:05:51,260 --> 01:05:59,300
And that's, if I remember right, not a quarter to a third of the property tax bills.

807
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:06,100
So, you know, people would probably be looking at, you know, maybe a 25% increase.

808
01:06:06,380 --> 01:06:11,220
That would take place over, you know, between now and 2030-2023.

809
01:06:12,340 --> 01:06:13,280
That makes sense.

810
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,820
Can I clarify something or ask something?

811
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:19,660
So we have the property tax levy and then we have the debt levy.

812
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:32,420
But when we increase our levy as the debt levy, we don't share that with the schools or with anybody else.

813
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:36,500
We get 100% of that. So if you're talking about, oh, we only get 25%.

814
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:39,080
No, it's not. I'm talking about where the revenue comes to pay back.

815
01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:39,800
Excuse me.

816
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:40,820
Yes.

817
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:43,960
Okay. So then I misunderstood. I thought you were saying we only get 25%.

818
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,720
Excuse me. We're not talking across.

819
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:49,640
So yeah, you can say for property tax, we get about 25%.

820
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,600
But for the death, let me, we get 100 percent of that, yeah.

821
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:55,640
Okay, yes.

822
01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:01,480
I had a question on this table, and you mentioned when under road reconstruction and repaving,

823
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,280
you know, for example, I'll take the 2027 number, which is approximately 8 million,

824
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:08,860
and you mentioned that includes a lot of other things.

825
01:07:09,140 --> 01:07:12,400
And we have a line for design, for storm, for sewer, and for water.

826
01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:17,400
When I look at the other tables that Mr. Brandweier is going to speak about

827
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,960
The number for road reconstruction and repaving is $5.6 million, and here it's $7.9 million.

828
01:07:23,420 --> 01:07:28,140
That's a huge difference. I'm trying to understand what that is, and also what miscellaneous projects,

829
01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:29,960
$1 million in miscellaneous projects.

830
01:07:32,620 --> 01:07:36,680
Well, this might be a good transition to Mr. Bramber to talk about the roads,

831
01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:45,940
and those projects, and I'll look up the detail of the miscellaneous projects,

832
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:49,400
and answer that question later.

833
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,440
So, what you're seeing there in terms

834
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,340
of load reconstruction design work.

835
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,740
I think the discrepancy arises with how we've laid out

836
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,160
the CIP for the next five years with respect

837
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,320
to the various projects that we have

838
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:10,380
when we're going to be doing some work.

839
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:13,860
And I'd have to double check the notes that I have.

840
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:19,880
of what we did with each of these dollars that you see in the table in the

841
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,080
Fox Point Paving Program.

842
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:27,640
That's representative of cost to cost that we've

843
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:35,080
received on bids and so we look at the per foot cost and then take that for each

844
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:40,660
of the roads, multiply that. So for instance, we use a Bradley road where we were

845
01:08:40,660 --> 01:08:48,540
saying about each $900 per foot. And then out of that, we assume we look at how much was spent

846
01:08:48,540 --> 01:08:53,180
for road, how much was spent for water, how much was spent for storm, come up with a percentage,

847
01:08:53,180 --> 01:09:01,560
and then when we calculate the overall cost, then we're able to break that down. So if you go back to

848
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,960
that slide, all right, let's take me just a second back up.

849
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,620
I think the difference lies in the fact

850
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:21,580
that the 5.6 million might be representative of the road in storm and the additional 2 million

851
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:27,220
might be representative of the water. But there is a headline double check. Okay, the reason I ask

852
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:32,600
is because there's a line for water. 620,000. Yeah, and that's not a line for design. Correct.

853
01:09:33,020 --> 01:09:37,940
That's 620,000 dollars is not representative of what the cost of the water may be on Santa Monica.

854
01:09:38,540 --> 01:09:46,800
And I think that's where it's just a function of how this chart was presented relative to this.

855
01:09:48,580 --> 01:09:51,840
And I'd have to double check our respective notice.

856
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,440
I can't answer that question right now.

857
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:01,560
But I'm here to tell you that I'm going to answer Trustee Barry's kind of, why are we here?

858
01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:05,380
We're here because I'm going to be brutally honest.

859
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:12,320
pass boards, and this predates me, take the can down the road.

860
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:14,740
That's just the reality.

861
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:16,540
And so you get into this situation.

862
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:21,260
And the reason why I like presenting the board members with these sheets,

863
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:27,620
and the Fox Point P even program, is I remind them that in the late 90s

864
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:34,760
and the early 2000s, they did anywhere from 2 to 5 to 6 miles of road a year

865
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,960
for about five years.

866
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,440
And then in poll five, the year before I arrived, they didn't

867
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:51,360
pave any roads. Oh, six, the year I arrived, they paved 950 feet. Oh, 7,200 feet. And you can see how

868
01:10:51,360 --> 01:11:03,200
between 05 and 2011, we didn't do a whole lot of road people. And in those years, in

869
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:14,120
And on the 6th we did some water main work, 07, no water main work, 08, you had water

870
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:21,580
main, 09 you had water main, 010 you had water main, but by and large we did not tackle

871
01:11:21,580 --> 01:11:28,620
any of the storm sewer related work. It wasn't until we got to 2012 and started tackling

872
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:37,320
storm sewer along with water and the road itself. And your costs become more expensive because

873
01:11:37,970 --> 01:11:43,340
the storm sewer perspective, the rural cross section would be still have to address where's the

874
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:49,940
water going after 70 years. Your ditches get sediment that build up in it can sew the floor as to

875
01:11:49,940 --> 01:11:55,600
be reached out. So whether we're putting in green infrastructure or just ditching nose and replace

876
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:00,400
and color pipes across the road, you would have that cost that you have to incur because it hasn't

877
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,740
done in 78 years.

878
01:12:04,820 --> 01:12:10,660
So as you move forward and you can see how I've laid this off from 1988,

879
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:18,260
the earliest year that I have data for when we started paving through what our plan is in 2036

880
01:12:18,260 --> 01:12:23,440
and we put cost estimates and that's exactly what they are just estimates based off food,

881
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:27,280
got into prior pits for 27 through 36.

882
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,200
And of course these are always subject to change

883
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,420
because next year we weren't planning on doing Santa Monica,

884
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,300
but it came to this board earlier this year

885
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:37,700
because we had four or five water main breaks

886
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,000
on a road in under six months.

887
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,080
Three water main breaks that Mr. Correct will refer to earlier.

888
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,940
One was on Willow, west of Santa Monica, west of Regent.

889
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:59,160
And then the other two were close to each other when it was on links north of Portage and the other was on Portage west of links.

890
01:13:00,020 --> 01:13:03,540
And those two happened within four or five days of each other.

891
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:13,480
So we're constantly battling aging infrastructure and tackling all these infrastructure programs.

892
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:18,820
isn't a lot of work it absolutely is. So you've got the road reconstruction projects

893
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:24,940
and then as Mr. Crackle pointed out, you have the sanitary and storm sort of projects.

894
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:33,260
I came to this board in April and before I sent out an RFP to the consultants that he referred to,

895
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:39,280
I wanted to get a sense of where the board was at in terms of wanting to do a comprehensive stormwater evaluation.

896
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:46,740
And if they'd be interested in increasing our cost for rehabilitation of the sanitary

897
01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:52,300
source and rehabilitation of the storm source and there was a, there was stomach for it.

898
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:58,480
And so I pretty much double to triple what we've been spending and that's why you see

899
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:04,900
higher costs in the storm and the sanitary realm because I'm looking at spending over a million

900
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:10,880
dollars a year, just rehabilitating sanitary sewers. And similarly, when we do this comprehensive

901
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,560
stormwater analysis, we're probably going to point out ways in which we can address the

902
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:23,160
areas of concern that I've noted for the flooding intersections flooded roads. Any creek,

903
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,920
as you heard from one of the property owners, adjacent to Indian Creek, is something that we're

904
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,500
tackling as well because you've got the 100-year floodplain that the DNR and their infinite

905
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:35,320
and it wisdom is designed to be under your floodplain,

906
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:37,860
which we've disagreed with wholeheartedly.

907
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,920
But it's gonna cost us money

908
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,620
because they will only accept certain models

909
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,700
done a particular way.

910
01:14:47,980 --> 01:14:49,980
It's all statutorily and code driven.

911
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,220
And we're working through that

912
01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:53,780
with our consultant engineer right now,

913
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:55,640
but some of that might mean we have to,

914
01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,420
for instance, add in a basin.

915
01:15:00,460 --> 01:15:17,500
That's going to cost money to add in a basin to store more stormwater. You know, how do you do that? Where do you do it? Do you change out the culverts underneath Port Washington road and switch that to a bridge? That's something that I've identified before. That's an additional cost.

916
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:37,360
And this is just to give you a sense of where we're at from a road reconstruction perspective.

917
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:51,460
It really lays out basically when the road was done, how many feet each year and what our plan is with the understanding that, like I said, Santa Monica was not on was not on the schedule for 27.

918
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:56,960
and I think it was for 2030, and we're constantly moving these roads around, depending on

919
01:15:57,460 --> 01:16:00,720
what happens during the course of the year. How many water main breaks?

920
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:08,740
You know, it's a sanitary going bad, all sorts of issues arise. That's why when you look at this,

921
01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:15,940
it's really just a plan, and we've got to be flexible with that plan. Similarly, when Mr. Crackle mentioned

922
01:16:15,940 --> 01:16:22,480
and the equipment, I think, this board with the recommendations that we've come forth with,

923
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,820
but we bought three cab and chassis this year, and we're going to purchase the rest of the

924
01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:33,920
vehicles next year. That has worked out favorably for us because of new emissions standards that are

925
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:39,000
coming on the horizon, so you might have more recommendations like that coming forth in 2007.

926
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:47,340
So that's my 30,000-foot view of the capital or the structure or the village.

927
01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:51,000
Similar question to why are we here?

928
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,260
I'll just remind board members who haven't been on the board.

929
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:03,640
Bariantos did two reports for this facility, one in 2009, the other in 2019, which is in

930
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,380
in 2026, wondering if the facility is going to be redone.

931
01:17:08,220 --> 01:17:13,640
You look at $5 million for expansion, or $20 million for new facility.

932
01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:18,240
It was pointed out 17 years ago that a new facility would be needed.

933
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:21,420
That's somewhat similar to what happened with the PD.

934
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:28,200
So when that was constructed in 2006, the debate over a new facility for PD,

935
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,200
the, which also how is the fire department,

936
01:17:30,580 --> 01:17:34,120
prior to consolidation, excuse me,

937
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:35,500
I think took about 10 years,

938
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,640
chief reading might be able to speak more clearly on that,

939
01:17:39,780 --> 01:17:42,240
but I believe it was about a 10-year period of time

940
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,180
where they talked about it.

941
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:46,390
Yes.

942
01:17:47,710 --> 01:17:49,610
I just want to follow up to answer the question

943
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:50,830
on the miscellaneous projects.

944
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:57,730
About $900,000 of that is, of that $1,050 is

945
01:17:57,730 --> 01:18:01,530
for design of a new village hall.

946
01:18:01,790 --> 01:18:06,990
So that scenario includes a new village hall,

947
01:18:07,470 --> 01:18:10,650
and if we do move forward with that,

948
01:18:10,730 --> 01:18:14,030
that would take place in 2027.

949
01:18:14,230 --> 01:18:15,510
How much did you say for design?

950
01:18:15,870 --> 01:18:18,310
About 900,000 is what I include as an estimate.

951
01:18:19,550 --> 01:18:20,250
Mr. Olman.

952
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:24,250
Just for Billy Chaw, is it with DPW bill?

953
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:26,670
I'm including DPW.

954
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:29,850
Any questions?

955
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:32,960
Yes.

956
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:33,940
It's just a comment.

957
01:18:34,140 --> 01:18:40,720
Is it safe to assume that perhaps the reason there was nothing really done between 05 and 011 is because of the debt assumed to build a police department?

958
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:47,640
And there was a belief that debt levels should be reduced before embarking on a bunch of new projects.

959
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,840
I can't speak to that.

960
01:18:49,980 --> 01:18:50,640
I don't understand.

961
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:53,140
I don't really know the rationale behind that.

962
01:18:53,140 --> 01:18:59,440
I will say that our driver at the time said that we would be able to borrow more money than we were

963
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,940
I think the the village was

964
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,600
Get a verse at that time

965
01:19:06,260 --> 01:19:12,460
And there wasn't too much was stomach for it because he kept reminding me since it's got this is where we're at

966
01:19:12,460 --> 01:19:17,840
This is where we could be we can be borrowing a lot more to take care of these infrastructures. What was that John?

967
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,240
John George

968
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:24,010
Any other questions of staff

969
01:19:26,690 --> 01:19:31,430
Does this information for us, or do you need any input or what do you?

970
01:19:32,190 --> 01:19:34,870
This is for thought heading into our budget discussions.

971
01:19:35,470 --> 01:19:37,390
This is information at this point.

972
01:19:38,210 --> 01:19:39,950
I wanted to get this information out.

973
01:19:42,490 --> 01:19:47,970
Again, in the past, the board has not taken action on the capital improvements plan.

974
01:19:48,150 --> 01:19:56,150
It's just been kind of to set the stage for some of the discussions that will be taking place in October on both the operating and the capital budget.

975
01:19:56,150 --> 01:20:01,450
I have to say we do this meeting every year and it's always depressing, but it doesn't make less

976
01:20:01,450 --> 01:20:12,980
real. As always, I think always in September. So anyway, okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank

977
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,500
you.

978
01:20:22,060 --> 01:20:27,420
And now we're going to move on to D7D, which is the consideration possible action on the police

979
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:30,460
department's mobile video body-worn camera system for Poles Law.

980
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,640
Well, I feel sitting behind me to

981
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,940
want to give them their agenda and order at home.

982
01:20:46,460 --> 01:20:51,720
Quick history, 21 years ago, we started putting BHS cassettes in our squad cars with

983
01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:54,080
dash looking cameras and mobile microphones.

984
01:20:55,700 --> 01:21:03,200
So we evolved into a digital platform, and in 2021, we added body cameras because that

985
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:03,820
was the new technology.

986
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,980
That was the direction that was growing in its people and the standard for law enforcement.

987
01:21:08,980 --> 01:21:15,500
So, we're working on the assumption that this body does not want to go backwards, and

988
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:17,520
that that's a technology we want to continue to have.

989
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:25,320
We signed a five-year agreement in 2021 after reviewing different vendors, different options,

990
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:33,960
cloud-based storage, and subscription services versus on-premise data storage, IT costs, and

991
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:34,840
things like that.

992
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,760
and we identified the axon as the vendor for the product.

993
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:50,200
That contract is coming due in February of 2027, so this is actually an issue that part of the

994
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:56,480
capital plan you just discussed. The only reason it's coming before the body tonight is that they

995
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:03,580
are willing to give us $11,000 off the price point if we sign during quarter three of this year.

996
01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:10,140
So it's simply coming forward today rather than in two months to try and save somebody.

997
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:17,580
If the board wants to postpone to count a bunch of discussion and make a decision,

998
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:22,580
that's up to this body to the side.

999
01:22:23,060 --> 01:22:28,740
The reason we're coming early is they're offering a resinder contract early,

1000
01:22:28,740 --> 01:22:32,540
early get $1,000, $10,000, $9,000 something off the price.

1001
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:39,280
We initially proposed a five-year agreement because that's what we had with them past.

1002
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:46,640
They came forward with slightly better price even though it's $700 higher to sign with

1003
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:47,640
them on a 10-year agreement.

1004
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:55,320
We saw that there's a somewhat loss of flexibility but it is locking in a price that we think

1005
01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:00,040
is only going to go off. It was a awesome technology as for pound

1006
01:23:02,050 --> 01:23:05,370
and dirty. Does this include the

1007
01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:11,570
physical? This includes all the physical hardware so they will replace everything. We'll use

1008
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:17,230
January as our start point even though it's February 1. So January we will get all new car cameras,

1009
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:24,210
all of the mobile modems that transmit all of the data to the cloud, all of the body cameras,

1010
01:23:24,210 --> 01:23:28,750
all the charging docks, everything installed, and then it comes with a warranty throughout

1011
01:23:28,750 --> 01:23:35,070
that entire tenure contract with the in-vehicle equipment replaced every five years, and

1012
01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:37,070
the mobile cameras replaced every two and a half.

1013
01:23:39,170 --> 01:23:39,410
Okay.

1014
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:43,830
And includes, I'm sorry, all of the software storage and everything on the back.

1015
01:23:44,510 --> 01:23:44,810
Okay.

1016
01:23:45,190 --> 01:23:45,530
Miss Alien.

1017
01:23:45,890 --> 01:23:47,510
What is the price of the current contract?

1018
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:49,690
I mean, you're going to ask that.

1019
01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:56,190
But it's slightly less, we thought of us within this goal of the inflationary rate.

1020
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:56,550
It was,

1021
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:02,060
I think we're going from kind of the double check.

1022
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,900
I'm not going to give you a number if you don't be misleading, and I don't want to be.

1023
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,660
And then when you calculate that savings, you're assuming that if we signed for five years,

1024
01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:13,900
the following five years would be a 5% increase per year.

1025
01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:14,680
Is that how you believe?

1026
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:19,680
Well, we're kind of assuming that we have no idea what we're going to be in five years.

1027
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:25,600
just looking at the cost of a standard hard drive we've been using for evidence storage.

1028
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,100
We were buying them a year and a half ago at $79.00 and they're $2.29.

1029
01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:38,100
So we only are assuming that as more and more people are consuming more and more data the cost for the service is really not about the hardware.

1030
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:43,520
It's the storage of the evidence because we've got a story for seven years, sometimes long rates cases.

1031
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:46,260
So we're paying for perpetual storage.

1032
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:52,900
And what we're paying is in line with another Mr. Palley's are paying it is I just saw

1033
01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:59,520
To notice this contract now granted they're buying far more services than we would even think about asking

1034
01:25:00,500 --> 01:25:05,180
They were doing 120 months. They are doing 96 months and they're at

1035
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,100
$14 million

1036
01:25:08,620 --> 01:25:15,360
Bring it down if it's not apples to apple but we break all the services it would say like I did contact the

1037
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:23,320
company today to verify that this pricing was in line with the state of Wisconsin, they

1038
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:28,860
have a state bid for pricing, so I want to make sure that we were getting state bid

1039
01:25:28,860 --> 01:25:33,640
rather than something that gives us a small agency that they priced us differently.

1040
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:37,460
So they are pricing it in accordance with the national contract.

1041
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:40,240
The reason I asked is that I did was looking for information.

1042
01:25:40,420 --> 01:25:42,620
I thought we were from what I read in this report.

1043
01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:46,620
I thought we were paying the entire amount up front, which were not, because that didn't

1044
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:47,400
make much sense to me.

1045
01:25:47,460 --> 01:25:49,320
And I was trying to figure out, well, is that what everybody does?

1046
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,100
And in one report that I found, it really broke down a lot of the pricing, and it said,

1047
01:25:54,160 --> 01:26:00,980
for police departments of under 25 officers, the average was a five-year contract, was 135,000,

1048
01:26:01,220 --> 01:26:03,500
and for us, it's significantly higher than that.

1049
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:04,800
So I wondered if that...

1050
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:08,160
And I've seen some of the similar data, and they were...

1051
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:12,100
They also did reference some companies that are no longer in existence, so I'm not sure...

1052
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:13,480
But this was strictly for acts on cops.

1053
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:14,000
Oh, it tracks.

1054
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,400
So that's all, that's the only reason I was.

1055
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:18,000
Mr. Pat.

1056
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:21,740
Trustee Ealy, I brought something up that,

1057
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,700
I think it's important I just want to clarify.

1058
01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:29,780
The, because of the levy limits

1059
01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:33,000
and because it was talked about previously,

1060
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,180
the debt service levy is not subject to levy limits.

1061
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,120
What a lot of municipalities in Wisconsin have been doing

1062
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:53,800
As I enter into these leases and they borrow for the full amount of the lease and they pay the full amount upfront, which is not a prohibited practice, but it probably isn't the best practice.

1063
01:26:54,580 --> 01:27:01,240
But what we're recommending and the State Department of Revenue did about a year ago,

1064
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:12,100
indicate to municipalities that they would allow us to budget the lease payments in the

1065
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:16,880
debt service loving so that we could enter into a lease where we make annual payments

1066
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:22,640
so that because you would normally expect. But because that under General Exempted Accounting

1067
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:29,200
Principles is a long-term obligation that they would allow municipalities to pay for that

1068
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:36,440
out of their debt service levy so that we have very limited room or capacity within our operating

1069
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:41,800
levy. So it allows us to budget to budget forward plan for that way. My concern was that if

1070
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:47,220
you're borrowing $400,000 all at once you have financing fees, you have interest costs that

1071
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:53,240
significantly add to the cost of the contract, whereas this doing as a lease, it would not be that

1072
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,940
That's significant in any question.

1073
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:55,700
That was my answer.

1074
01:27:56,440 --> 01:27:56,660
Okay.

1075
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:57,460
Are there other?

1076
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:58,080
Yes.

1077
01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:58,820
Mr. McDonough.

1078
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,300
It seems to me that the discount or wherever it is is.

1079
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,260
It's nice, but it's extremely nominal to stay very up and silent,

1080
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,520
versus in a couple of months.

1081
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:10,800
Yep.

1082
01:28:11,220 --> 01:28:13,840
And there's no, I don't have any reasons to believe,

1083
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:16,660
but I don't know, that it would not be there.

1084
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:19,640
Should we ask for it in two months after budgeting is done.

1085
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:28,620
The other thing is just general comment, technology leases for 10 years, I have enough experience,

1086
01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:31,060
sounds not

1087
01:28:33,820 --> 01:28:37,980
logical, because technology is changing so fast.

1088
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:48,980
So when we're thinking about a 10-year deal, I would think carefully, don't disagree and

1089
01:28:48,980 --> 01:28:54,140
And I think the only reason we would even consider it is because of the equipment replacement

1090
01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:54,700
that they were.

1091
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:00,000
I mean, we will have full access to the software side, which as they evolve, and we'll

1092
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,140
have the equipment upgrades every two and a half years for the body cameras, that be

1093
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:05,980
five years for the cars.

1094
01:29:06,440 --> 01:29:07,080
But I don't disagree.

1095
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,440
That's why the manners that I went back and forth on, the flexibility of the five year,

1096
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:14,920
which is how we got here today, versus the 10 year.

1097
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:22,240
And again, they're more than willing to work with us to stay the contractor.

1098
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:28,400
So we wanted to bring it to the bodies and ages so that the members can look at it and

1099
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,960
decide because we've been $12,000 or $11,000 is not.

1100
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:35,540
Not nothing.

1101
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,220
Not nothing.

1102
01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:38,020
It's not nothing.

1103
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:38,440
It's not nothing.

1104
01:29:38,460 --> 01:29:42,360
If they're going to do it, you can at least have the option rather than make it decision-free.

1105
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:46,080
Okay.

1106
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:46,900
Okay. Any other questions?

1107
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:59,100
All right. I guess I will move that we authorize the Village Manager to sign the axon quote,

1108
01:29:59,100 --> 01:29:59,900
or Q19

1109
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:17,240
One, three, one, four, four, debt, four, six, two, six, two, JT, and the amount of $407,710.7, prior to September 30, 2026, for the delivery of product beginning, two, zero, two, zero, one, 2027.

1110
01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:22,690
Any discussion?

1111
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:34,390
Okay. I'll ask for a roll call, please. Trustee Alhman? All right. Trustee Alia? Trustee Friedman? Trustee Miller? Trustee Berry? Trustee MacDonald? No.

1112
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:37,870
and that motion carries.

1113
01:30:41,230 --> 01:30:51,210
Okay. And I believe that we are on to consideration and possible action regarding the purchase of police patrol vehicle that

1114
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:54,160
you didn't go anywhere.

1115
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:55,940
Absolutely.

1116
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:03,900
I want to express my appreciation to the members who diligently read their packets prior to coming to meeting and be attention.

1117
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:09,990
and at no time, I don't think we can refine it.

1118
01:31:10,050 --> 01:31:12,070
We could go for $436,000.

1119
01:31:12,710 --> 01:31:12,990
But...

1120
01:31:12,990 --> 01:31:13,670
Strike lots, Juan.

1121
01:31:13,930 --> 01:31:14,490
Strike lots, Juan.

1122
01:31:14,630 --> 01:31:15,850
But I couldn't find one.

1123
01:31:16,530 --> 01:31:18,430
So you guys sort of got an amended agenda

1124
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:20,510
where the $4 million sign indicating

1125
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:23,510
that we were buying a space level vehicle

1126
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:25,290
with vinyl floors, cloth seats,

1127
01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:27,130
and the absence of a spotlight

1128
01:31:27,130 --> 01:31:28,830
and door handles removed in the vaccine.

1129
01:31:29,870 --> 01:31:31,970
This is the third year we've had to come and talk

1130
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:33,210
at this time of the year.

1131
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:42,330
It's getting better the last few years with that allocation limits where we were limited to one vehicle for the agency that we needed to.

1132
01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:50,930
They have removed the allocation limit this year, so my guess is that the consumer market is softening for the manufacturers.

1133
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:59,710
But the purchase allocation window last year we had one week that they also be active or that you've got your order spec now.

1134
01:32:00,190 --> 01:32:03,010
you've got your week to get it in otherwise it'll be the late of the

1135
01:32:03,010 --> 01:32:10,070
final year. They have ordered the order window for this year. They have not

1136
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:13,570
given us a closing date so that's because these will work before you and I

1137
01:32:13,570 --> 01:32:19,890
just to pursue the purchase while the manufacturer's window to order is open.

1138
01:32:20,710 --> 01:32:28,250
So you can confirm that at the price is 56,265 dollars? Right. Okay. Thank you. I know

1139
01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:35,450
Greg wanted the Rolls Royce gold plate inversion but that's a sad day at Fox Point when we can't

1140
01:32:35,450 --> 01:32:42,930
afford that. Okay, are there questions regarding this? You wife? I didn't have a question

1141
01:32:42,930 --> 01:32:46,770
by that. Well, we don't want to ride around the block.

1142
01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:54,910
Either way. Okay, any other questions, any comments?

1143
01:32:55,710 --> 01:33:02,070
Okay, I will move that we authorize a village manager to submit a purchase order to

1144
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:10,110
Napleson, Shermore-Lay of Columbus in the amount of $56,260, oh sorry, $56,265 for police

1145
01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:17,430
plea based upon the quote provided, and to be ordered for delivery in 2027 as a capital

1146
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:17,830
expense.

1147
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:20,270
Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

1148
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:22,170
Olden. Any discussion?

1149
01:33:23,690 --> 01:33:24,770
I'll ask for a roll call, please.

1150
01:33:25,770 --> 01:33:26,010
Trustee Olden.

1151
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:27,350
Trustee Elianne.

1152
01:33:27,670 --> 01:33:28,190
Trustee Friedman.

1153
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:29,070
Trustee Miller.

1154
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:30,130
Trustee Barry.

1155
01:33:30,530 --> 01:33:30,650
Hi.

1156
01:33:30,970 --> 01:33:31,570
Trustee McDonough.

1157
01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:32,070
Hi.

1158
01:33:32,590 --> 01:33:32,950
President Stinch.

1159
01:33:33,230 --> 01:33:33,370
Hi.

1160
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:34,690
And that motion carries.

1161
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:37,210
And that gets us to F, which is a report

1162
01:33:37,210 --> 01:33:39,170
and possible action on the Fox Point rule

1163
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:43,410
as outlined in the age of 61 to 80 in our packets.

1164
01:33:43,410 --> 01:33:44,630
And

1165
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:57,340
I do have another PowerPoint that I can walk through here, sorry, it's put in

1166
01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:04,100
presentation mode, and there's a lot of things that in June, the Village Board asked

1167
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:08,860
me to take a look at and report back to you here at the spot.

1168
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:15,520
First, it's kind of an introduction and timeline of events related to the pool that wanted

1169
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:23,000
to go through. I did complete an analysis of revenues and expenses, looked at some questions

1170
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:28,100
and issues that came up regarding construction project estimates for a new pool,

1171
01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:34,700
investigated potential partnerships with other communities and other organizations,

1172
01:34:35,260 --> 01:34:43,500
did some research on trends in local government pools in Wisconsin. I explored some potential

1173
01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:48,840
grant funding opportunities at referendum options, and then at the end, I do have some alternatives.

1174
01:34:49,380 --> 01:34:55,820
It's not a universal alternatives or a myriad of other options, but some alternatives for your

1175
01:34:55,820 --> 01:35:06,160
consideration. So, timeline that I thought some important, this isn't fully inclusive, but

1176
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:07,560
It's an important event.

1177
01:35:08,890 --> 01:35:11,440
The Fox Point pool opened in 1968,

1178
01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:16,380
and I think the village has done a lot looking

1179
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:18,900
at options related to the pool over time.

1180
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,320
There was a study in 2007 by Barrientos

1181
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:29,560
that looked at pool needs going forward in 2017.

1182
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:34,920
UWM did a study at future alternatives for the pool.

1183
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:50,220
There was a consultant study that was completed in 2019 and in 2020 there was a pool citizen advisory committee that was created and looked at options related to the pool.

1184
01:35:50,220 --> 01:36:01,380
In 2023, the pool was closed due to a variety of factors, including some mechanical issues

1185
01:36:01,380 --> 01:36:08,900
that took place there, and municipal pool citizens committee was created to get explore

1186
01:36:08,900 --> 01:36:15,380
looking at going forward. Later on in 2023, the village board adopted a resolution setting

1187
01:36:15,380 --> 01:36:22,200
a 50% match and stating that if that match was achieved, that from the Friends of the

1188
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:27,740
520 pool, that the village would fund the other 50%.

1189
01:36:27,740 --> 01:36:35,260
And then in 2024, the Village Board approved a concept plan that is available on the website.

1190
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:45,460
This is a spreadsheet that includes the revenues and expenses related to the pool from 2014

1191
01:36:45,460 --> 01:36:56,120
through 2022. There is no 2020 column. The pool is closed during 2020 related to the pandemic

1192
01:36:56,120 --> 01:37:04,480
that we all experienced. And I'm going to switch to the next slide to kind of talk about some

1193
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:13,300
of the trends here on revenues. You can see that there was a study decline in revenue. The bulk

1194
01:37:13,300 --> 01:37:18,700
of that came from, well, I should say the bulk, but one of the areas that reduced that,

1195
01:37:18,860 --> 01:37:28,100
so the greatest reduction was revenues from camps and classes that was partly based on my

1196
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:36,880
conversations with staff, partly due to reduction in enrollment, but also due to the difficulties

1197
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:43,520
and finding instructors and lifeguards for those classes.

1198
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,700
You will see some reduction in memberships

1199
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:53,260
and the orange part of the column if you compare 2014 to 2022.

1200
01:37:54,140 --> 01:37:59,860
The points of sale actually looked like it had a small increase over the years

1201
01:37:59,860 --> 01:38:03,560
and then just small miscellaneous revenues.

1202
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:04,660
On

1203
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:12,030
the expense side, here this breaks out the general operating expenses aren't blue.

1204
01:38:13,230 --> 01:38:18,350
Capital expenses aren't orange and then debt service related to pool related projects

1205
01:38:18,350 --> 01:38:19,430
is in gray.

1206
01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:26,310
And again, I think one of the highlights here is that you can see that the general operating

1207
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:32,630
expenses were relatively flat, there was some fluctuation but did not, you know, between

1208
01:38:32,630 --> 01:38:36,990
roughly 175 and $200,000 per year.

1209
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:42,230
There were a couple of larger capital projects in 2015

1210
01:38:42,230 --> 01:38:47,210
and 2019 that bumped that total number up to that.

1211
01:38:49,970 --> 01:38:53,330
So looking at the net losses from the pool,

1212
01:38:54,490 --> 01:38:59,250
and again, just as some background, the pool was set up as a separate fund

1213
01:38:59,250 --> 01:39:07,830
within the village budget, and then any gap between revenues and expenses was made up through

1214
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:13,370
transfer from the general fund. So in other words, the property tax levy then supported

1215
01:39:13,370 --> 01:39:17,110
the pool and made up any of those losses that took place.

1216
01:39:18,250 --> 01:39:22,770
And I looked at this three different ways. There were some questions that came up about,

1217
01:39:23,110 --> 01:39:28,130
you know, how much of this was related to repairs and maintenance and how much was related

1218
01:39:28,130 --> 01:39:33,310
to operations and then overall so that the blue bar there shows the overall losses which

1219
01:39:34,530 --> 01:39:42,010
you know ranged you know fairly significantly from year to year and even when you take

1220
01:39:42,010 --> 01:39:48,950
out debt service and then debt service and capital expenses you can see there are still

1221
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:53,030
some pretty significant losses especially in the later years.

1222
01:39:55,330 --> 01:40:06,950
This slide goes through membership data, and I think that you can see some decline over

1223
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:13,590
the period of time that's represented here, especially if you compare 2014, the first

1224
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:24,950
year to 2018, where there were over 350 memberships in 2014, down to just a little over

1225
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:37,850
300 in 2022. There was a bump between 2019 and 2021, basically, I think after things reopened,

1226
01:40:37,870 --> 01:40:44,370
after the COVID pandemic, you did see more people returning to the pool, all of that decline

1227
01:40:45,110 --> 01:40:53,190
started up again in 2022. And I think the majority of the decline or the worst part of the decline

1228
01:40:53,190 --> 01:41:00,290
was in the non-resident memberships where you can see that that orange part of this bar graph

1229
01:41:00,290 --> 01:41:03,370
were non-resident memberships were declining.

1230
01:41:06,540 --> 01:41:11,080
So some of the takeaways from this overall revenues

1231
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:19,300
declined by 34% from 2014 to 22 and again that was mostly due to reduction in revenue from

1232
01:41:19,300 --> 01:41:25,580
KFC classes and non-resident memberships, pool expenses remained relatively flat,

1233
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:34,540
only going up 5% during that period of time, total net overall losses during that 8-year

1234
01:41:34,540 --> 01:41:42,900
period were $842,000, the net operating losses for that period were $568,000.

1235
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:48,780
Overall, membership went down 15% from 2014 to 2022.

1236
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,280
Again, I'm just comparing the beginning and the end.

1237
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,900
There were fluctuations within that time period.

1238
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:59,480
And that was driven mostly by a 50% decrease

1239
01:41:59,480 --> 01:42:00,820
in non-resident membership.

1240
01:42:01,180 --> 01:42:05,700
Actually did see a 90% increase in resident membership

1241
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:06,660
during that time period.

1242
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:11,350
So the next section of the presentation

1243
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:13,990
looks at the construction estimates.

1244
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:43,970
And the construction estimates that have been included that were reviewed by the board back in 2024 and are available on the website or the original column, which shows a total estimated cost of $7,090,000 with a range that the consultant provided of minus 5%, which takes us down about $6.7 million and potentially up to 10% which is about $7.8 million.

1245
01:42:43,970 --> 01:42:51,550
One of the questions that came up was adjusting these numbers to reflect demolition had already

1246
01:42:51,550 --> 01:42:59,010
taken place and then to adjust the numbers to only reflect the pool component.

1247
01:42:59,810 --> 01:43:05,910
So if you look at the far right column where it says pool only, in addition to removing

1248
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:11,690
the demolition and erosion control, which is already completed in that column, I removed

1249
01:43:11,690 --> 01:43:23,550
the playground, $225,000. I left the site as it is, and the site expenses are

1250
01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:30,630
things like stormwater runoff, utilities that might have to be upgraded or

1251
01:43:30,630 --> 01:43:38,370
replaced or improved. And those are largely driven by the pool itself. So the

1252
01:43:38,370 --> 01:43:39,770
of those at $1 million.

1253
01:43:42,110 --> 01:43:46,350
Then the pool itself obviously would state the same.

1254
01:43:46,770 --> 01:43:50,890
The building package, I made just a proportional reduction

1255
01:43:50,890 --> 01:43:52,030
in that number.

1256
01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:56,750
The building itself, the design that was approved by the board

1257
01:43:57,370 --> 01:44:01,590
included not only the locker rooms, toilet facilities,

1258
01:44:02,370 --> 01:44:04,870
concession stands, and those items

1259
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:07,090
that are directly related to the pool,

1260
01:44:07,090 --> 01:44:10,050
but also included some community space.

1261
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:15,070
And I will say this is my estimate,

1262
01:44:15,490 --> 01:44:19,830
which is trying to look at.

1263
01:44:19,890 --> 01:44:23,730
I did not have details of what that $2.1 million

1264
01:44:23,730 --> 01:44:25,210
consisted of.

1265
01:44:25,450 --> 01:44:28,950
So assuming that we wouldn't see a large reduction

1266
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:32,230
in the amount of plumbing or electrical work

1267
01:44:32,230 --> 01:44:34,550
or toilet facilities,

1268
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:41,130
that, you know, by and large, it would just be reduction in the footprint in the community

1269
01:44:41,130 --> 01:44:50,050
room that was put out was mostly empty space without a lot of additional construction costs.

1270
01:44:50,350 --> 01:44:58,870
So I did not take half of it out, but I believe it was 25% of that total building package cost.

1271
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:59,790
And then

1272
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:26,040
You're recalculated to soft costs, to reflect that that's sub-total. So that would bring the total cost of construction at about 6.1 million and applying that same range, that architecture applied of minus 5 to plus 10%. That would put the range at 5.8 to 6.7 million dollars for construction of the pool only.

1273
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:31,970
So some of the conclusions there, you know,

1274
01:45:33,330 --> 01:45:41,810
The allocation of the cost to separate out the community center reduced the pool only portioned by a little over a million dollars.

1275
01:45:43,450 --> 01:45:54,150
And I just wanted to note that those that I'm working off estimates that were prepared by park texture, the consultants that we used for this analysis about two and a half years ago.

1276
01:45:55,330 --> 01:45:59,090
We did staff did have a conversation with park texture.

1277
01:46:00,610 --> 01:46:08,410
At that time, a few months ago, they believe the numbers within that range are still workable.

1278
01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:17,610
You know, though there has been a lot of construction inflation, they felt like looking at some examples of recent pull construction that those,

1279
01:46:17,890 --> 01:46:26,050
it's still for decision-making purposes, it's still valid to use the numbers that they had prepared in 2024.

1280
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,720
Then look at trends in local government pools.

1281
01:46:34,810 --> 01:46:41,130
There have been a fair number of pools that have been open over the past few years across

1282
01:46:41,130 --> 01:46:41,670
the state.

1283
01:46:42,150 --> 01:46:44,650
I've got those listed in the left hand column.

1284
01:46:46,410 --> 01:46:53,090
And in Milwaukee in particular, there have been a significant number of county pools that

1285
01:46:53,090 --> 01:46:55,890
have been closed in that same time period.

1286
01:47:00,330 --> 01:47:08,670
Looking at these pools, and I did not investigate each individual pool in detail, but I did

1287
01:47:08,670 --> 01:47:16,710
look at some information that was available for several of the pools, and I looked

1288
01:47:16,710 --> 01:47:19,970
at some studies at Milwaukee County has done.

1289
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:25,570
And if you look back at the list, one of the things that I think you see in common is

1290
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:35,290
is not all, but many of these pools that were constructed are in more rural areas and are

1291
01:47:35,290 --> 01:47:39,910
taking place in cities that are kind of the center of a rural area.

1292
01:47:40,290 --> 01:47:45,070
Marshfield, I'll use that as an example, my wife's family is from that area.

1293
01:47:46,270 --> 01:47:54,690
Marshfield is a town, a city about 20,000, and there are within a 30-minute radius from

1294
01:47:54,690 --> 01:47:57,850
from Marshfield, probably it does in different communities,

1295
01:47:58,490 --> 01:48:02,210
ranging from 1,000 people to 5,000 people.

1296
01:48:02,650 --> 01:48:06,730
That all, and Marshfield is basically the hub of that area.

1297
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:11,990
I think Placville has a little bit of a similar situation.

1298
01:48:12,230 --> 01:48:14,850
Clintonville is similar to that.

1299
01:48:15,090 --> 01:48:17,950
Some of the others I'm not as familiar with geographically.

1300
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:21,590
But in those pools, what you're seeing is communities

1301
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:36,850
that closed pools that were somewhat similar to the pool that previously existed in Fox Point and reopen something larger and to draw more people regionally to draw more non-residents in.

1302
01:48:37,630 --> 01:48:42,670
And that's also coincidentally the same strategy that Milwaukee County outlined.

1303
01:48:42,670 --> 01:48:55,470
They did a strategic plan on their pool system, and they kind of took an intentional approach of closing some of the neighborhood park type pools like McCarty.

1304
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:57,430
What else is on that list?

1305
01:48:57,430 --> 01:49:06,830
just the approach to Jackson Park, and instead they are planning to open, I think, to more

1306
01:49:08,710 --> 01:49:17,490
regional aquatic centers, something like cool waters, or I believe there's one at Lincoln

1307
01:49:17,490 --> 01:49:17,810
Park.

1308
01:49:18,890 --> 01:49:24,450
This is another one that they opened up, so I think they're looking at moving in that direction.

1309
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:37,260
I explored potential partnerships, I started with the North Shore Village Managers, there's

1310
01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:44,040
a group of us that meet on a monthly basis, actually all the Village Managers, from Shorewood

1311
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:55,300
up to Glendale, up to River Hills, Fox Point, we're in their brown deer, Bayside, I'm not sure

1312
01:49:55,300 --> 01:50:02,720
of missing anyone. And I did bring up the multiple meetings. I asked the other village managers

1313
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:15,320
to indicate if they had any, would be willing at all to consider partnering with a village

1314
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:19,540
of thoughts point either on construction or operation of the pool.

1315
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,180
One community, one village manager

1316
01:50:25,180 --> 01:50:31,140
from one community did believe that there was potential and talk to members of her village

1317
01:50:31,140 --> 01:50:31,560
board.

1318
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:38,900
Ultimately, she came back and said that she did not believe that there was a potential

1319
01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:42,900
partnership there, that there was that support from their village board to do that.

1320
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,060
I shall skip to the next slide.

1321
01:50:46,060 --> 01:50:55,600
And the reasons that they gave were the peding needs for capital funding, they're looking

1322
01:50:55,600 --> 01:51:01,420
at numbers similar to what we're looking at and did not believe that they could fit

1323
01:51:01,420 --> 01:51:08,880
into their capital budgets, a pool as well as challenges on their operating budgets.

1324
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:15,640
They also did indicate, and I think this is consistent with what we saw, the decline in

1325
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:22,180
non-resident memberships that increasingly, you know, their residents were finding other

1326
01:51:22,180 --> 01:51:29,000
solutions for pools, and particularly in the one community where the Village Manager

1327
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:34,680
talked to members of the Village Board, I think one of the trustees responded and just

1328
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:44,980
So that there really hadn't been any demand from residents to him to try to rebuild the

1329
01:51:44,980 --> 01:51:48,940
pool or to have a pool that they had found another alternative is.

1330
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:57,320
I talked to Representative from the Jewish Community Center and there was some interest

1331
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:01,020
in potentially partnering together for operation of a pool.

1332
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:03,740
I have the same conversation with Nicolay,

1333
01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:05,680
high school Rec Program Director,

1334
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,200
and he expressed the same interest.

1335
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:12,200
And I think that if the village does decide to move forward with a pool,

1336
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:17,760
there would be an opportunity to partner with one of those two organizations

1337
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:21,340
or another organization that could be beneficial to the village.

1338
01:52:21,660 --> 01:52:27,940
That I think that one of the challenges the village had is that we didn't really have staff

1339
01:52:27,940 --> 01:52:36,780
with the background and expertise in managing a pool or a recreational facility and partnering

1340
01:52:36,780 --> 01:52:45,580
with one of these organizations on the operations could help maybe reduce some of those operating

1341
01:52:45,580 --> 01:52:53,500
revenue gaps using their expertise, their ability to market to a broader audience and potentially

1342
01:52:53,500 --> 01:53:01,320
to have better sources of staff to hire, to fill some of those slots that we struggled with.

1343
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:07,260
So I think there are some potential opportunities on the operations of the pool.

1344
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:19,120
Looked into potential grant funding, there are two primary grants that I think are most promising

1345
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:26,340
and if the village decides to move forward with a pool would be things that I think that we should pursue.

1346
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:34,460
One is the land and water conservation fund. That's federal money that goes through the state of Wisconsin.

1347
01:53:35,420 --> 01:53:41,320
That provides up to 50% of funding for outdoor recreation projects.

1348
01:53:41,900 --> 01:53:49,100
This is a competitive grant program and the most important criteria is the availability of recreational operations.

1349
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:59,000
in the area. And then the second is an outdoor recreation legacy partnership. This is a direct federal grant.

1350
01:53:59,660 --> 01:54:09,120
It is also a competitive program that would provide up to $15 million for 50% local match for recreational facilities in urban areas.

1351
01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:18,040
This is a grant program that the City of Milwaukee and Milwaukee County and other area communities.

1352
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:21,560
We typically likely be competing against that.

1353
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:22,720
Do we count as an urban area?

1354
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:24,080
We do.

1355
01:54:24,440 --> 01:54:26,280
We do as part of Milwaukee County.

1356
01:54:30,020 --> 01:54:31,460
So just some conclusions.

1357
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:39,860
I think it's likely that if we do go forward, we could identify partners for operations

1358
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:44,520
the pool that could help to make it more cost effective from an operating perspective.

1359
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:50,340
I do think it's unlikely that we're going to find municipal partners to fund the

1360
01:54:50,340 --> 01:54:56,900
construction. There are grant programs that we could apply for and again I think if we go forward,

1361
01:54:57,080 --> 01:55:04,040
I think we should apply for them. I do have to say I think it's a long shot to get those.

1362
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:15,700
And you know we'd be looking at for example the land and water conservation fund.

1363
01:55:15,700 --> 01:55:29,760
We're not only competing against other pools, but all types of recreation project costs and we do live in an area here where there's a lot of other recreational options.

1364
01:55:30,220 --> 01:55:36,500
So I think that would that would that would hurt our case, but not saying not saying there's not it.

1365
01:55:36,500 --> 01:55:47,520
You know, I like to do movie quotes from bad 80s and 90s movies, but it's not one in a million, but I'm saying there's a chance.

1366
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:55,960
And sort of the same is true with the second, the outdoor recreation legacy partnership.

1367
01:55:56,720 --> 01:56:06,160
And there it's especially looking at the access of the facility to impoverished areas.

1368
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:14,360
So, I think a lot there would depend upon if the pool is located in a place that's easier,

1369
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:21,600
that's easy for people from some of the poorer areas of Milwaukee County to be able to access

1370
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:28,840
the pool and utilize it. So, again, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would be, I think,

1371
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:32,700
I think difficult to get through that competitive process.

1372
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:42,300
So referendum options, you know, one of the, I guess, first points that I make is that

1373
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:50,060
it's important to remember, we're not required, unlike school districts, we're not required

1374
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:54,520
to hold a referendum to issue debt for a pool or this type of facility.

1375
01:56:54,520 --> 01:57:02,740
so you're not required to do that. The board is authorized to make that decision moving forward.

1376
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:10,180
However, the village could hold a non-binding referendum, asking residents if the village should build a pool,

1377
01:57:11,060 --> 01:57:17,760
or the village could hold a binding referendum to increase the level to pay the debt service related to a pool.

1378
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:25,140
So, a referendum is an option if that's the direction the board would want to move forward with it.

1379
01:57:25,940 --> 01:57:28,780
And then finally, one of the other things to consider.

1380
01:57:29,380 --> 01:57:35,620
And again, I think we could probably close the gap on operating expenses and revenue with a partnership.

1381
01:57:35,940 --> 01:57:38,580
I don't know that we could close it entirely.

1382
01:57:39,540 --> 01:57:45,080
So, another thing to consider is if we do build a pool,

1383
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:51,720
may wish the whole of the binding referendum to basically increase the property tax living to

1384
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:58,640
fund the difference between revenues and expenses, so that funding is available to do that.

1385
01:58:01,350 --> 01:58:10,250
So finally, I can just talk a little bit about alternatives. And again, there are many iterations

1386
01:58:10,250 --> 01:58:16,110
in between these alternatives, but wanted to lay some options out.

1387
01:58:16,290 --> 01:58:18,110
Number one is always no change.

1388
01:58:19,110 --> 01:58:25,490
The policy that exists today is that if the Friends and Fox Point pool come up with $4 million

1389
01:58:25,490 --> 01:58:30,770
or 50% of the cost to construct a new pool, the village will move forward.

1390
01:58:31,050 --> 01:58:32,890
And that's an option to leave that in place.

1391
01:58:32,890 --> 01:58:43,330
I know that the fronts were here in June and they have not raised, I believe the number

1392
01:58:43,330 --> 01:58:48,750
was about $150,000, $60,000, so they've run into some difficulty in doing that, but

1393
01:58:49,450 --> 01:58:57,570
or could reiterate that that offer is out there to the residents as it is and keep that policy.

1394
01:58:58,210 --> 01:59:03,950
If the board wants to change the policy, I'm trying to cover a spectrum of options here.

1395
01:59:05,230 --> 01:59:10,610
Number one, you could just rescind the resolution and tell staff to include the new pool in

1396
01:59:10,610 --> 01:59:18,890
the 2027 Capital Improvements budget or to include it in the 27-31-5-year plan at a point

1397
01:59:18,890 --> 01:59:21,770
that you think would be best.

1398
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:29,610
second is kind of the opposite of that option you could rescind the resolution and just make the decision

1399
01:59:29,610 --> 01:59:36,190
that the village is not going to pursue a construction of the pool at this time and leave it at that.

1400
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:47,090
A third option C would be to rescind the resolution and adopt a new resolution or more precisely direct staff to prepare a new

1401
01:59:47,090 --> 01:59:53,830
resolution that would reduce the fundraising target to 50% of pool costs only and you

1402
01:59:53,830 --> 01:59:58,530
may want to consider putting also putting in a deadline for the fundraising

1403
01:59:58,530 --> 01:59:59,030
the efforts.

1404
01:59:59,230 --> 01:59:59,630
It's Saturday.

1405
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,760
A time specific when they would have to achieve that fundraising amount. And then finally, you could

1406
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:13,020
rescind the resolution and then have staff put together a resolution to hold either a binding

1407
02:00:13,020 --> 02:00:19,000
or a non-binding referendum on the construction of a new poll. So there's, you know, several different

1408
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:27,280
ways of approaching that and that are open for your consideration. So, I guess with that, any questions?

1409
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:34,380
Okay, so I'll also add in that we've had Steve and I have had contact from a member of the pool committee

1410
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:40,820
Who's very looking forward to getting together to get together until later that speak of the earliest, but

1411
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:45,940
Has pointed out after I asked some questions and has pointed out that

1412
02:00:47,540 --> 02:00:54,120
They haven't been doing anything this summer the initial fundraising women that were involved gotten

1413
02:00:54,120 --> 02:01:01,380
committed in their lives. They've looked at, they are starting to explore the

1414
02:01:01,380 --> 02:01:08,260
possibility of hiring a fundraiser. It's not unusual that a large campaign would

1415
02:01:08,260 --> 02:01:12,380
go through several iterations. The library certainly went through several iterations

1416
02:01:12,380 --> 02:01:17,000
of fundraising until they finally got successful and hit there where they wanted

1417
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:24,280
to go. And they've been, they've also been building their board, including our trusty

1418
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:30,420
stilts, who's in the audience, but clearly passionate and a big champion of the project.

1419
02:01:30,740 --> 02:01:40,940
So so there seems like coalescing around sort of a new breath of fresh air and activities.

1420
02:01:43,460 --> 02:01:49,420
So I'm guessing we'll meet. We've just been working on our calendars, but I'm guessing

1421
02:01:49,420 --> 02:01:57,520
and we'll get together with them in the next week to 10 days couple, but so can we go back

1422
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,820
to the slide with the breakout of the prices?

1423
02:02:01,580 --> 02:02:02,020
Sure.

1424
02:02:03,340 --> 02:02:04,400
I think you can.

1425
02:02:06,260 --> 02:02:06,720
Sure why?

1426
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:07,160
Oh,

1427
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:09,860
no.

1428
02:02:10,180 --> 02:02:11,340
Let me just wait.

1429
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:16,900
So, if anyone seems like it's locked up on me here, of course.

1430
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:17,480
Oh, there we go.

1431
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:18,480
I'm sorry.

1432
02:02:18,580 --> 02:02:19,040
The options?

1433
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:20,220
Yeah, the pricing.

1434
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:20,940
The pricing.

1435
02:02:22,260 --> 02:02:22,920
The numbers.

1436
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:23,820
I

1437
02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:38,340
could ask for this in part because something that has been kind of bouncing around in my head

1438
02:02:38,340 --> 02:02:47,680
who last little while is this community building and what it looks like,

1439
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:51,940
what it feels like, I know that in initial designs and concepts,

1440
02:02:54,280 --> 02:03:01,940
We had something and somebody, and it was either Trustee Freeman, maybe Trustee Miller, I don't

1441
02:03:01,940 --> 02:03:07,400
remember. But anyway, somebody said, I think that's too small. So we then made it bigger.

1442
02:03:08,020 --> 02:03:17,390
And by, I don't know, 50% or whatever that happened to be. And that, to me, seemed a little Irish

1443
02:03:17,390 --> 02:03:26,870
I think, and it made me, I've been thinking about the fact that, first of all, I think a community building is important.

1444
02:03:28,290 --> 02:03:39,550
Second of all, we haven't really thought about that building as clearly it has to have locker rooms, showers,

1445
02:03:44,110 --> 02:04:08,230
I don't think we know what that should be or what our community wants it to be and given the fact that it serves our community and the purposes, I think Mr. Miller, you talked about, you know, really having it available for people to use all around and it's really different than a pool building.

1446
02:04:08,230 --> 02:04:15,820
And I think that my personal thought is maybe we've underestimated the cost of that,

1447
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:23,600
but I think that perhaps that's an inappropriate cost to put into a 50% fund raising goal,

1448
02:04:24,060 --> 02:04:28,020
because I think that that could be looked at as a community cost.

1449
02:04:28,660 --> 02:04:32,200
And removing that would then make the goal

1450
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:38,460
you know six to six and a half million dollars which is different than eight.

1451
02:04:39,860 --> 02:04:46,840
So that's why I had to ask that some of this stuff be broken out and I appreciate the fact

1452
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:54,260
that it was. I think that a six to a six and a half million dollar goal is a different

1453
02:04:54,900 --> 02:04:59,880
thing for all of us to get to and you know we've clearly heard

1454
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:07,440
that what are village scenarios like so does anybody have any thoughts or comments?

1455
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:16,370
Yes. I was reviewing stuff we've done previously related to this too and I

1456
02:05:16,370 --> 02:05:25,530
was reminded that in 2019 we did a survey of the whole village and I think 84%

1457
02:05:25,530 --> 02:05:29,950
of people who responded to the survey said they definitely wanted a pool. So

1458
02:05:29,950 --> 02:05:35,010
it's quite high and I get very discouraged when I hear people trying to

1459
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:39,890
extrapolate some sort of support for the pool based on how much people have

1460
02:05:39,890 --> 02:05:43,030
donated so far because I don't think you can really make that connection.

1461
02:05:43,450 --> 02:05:48,370
We don't, it's not fair to pretend that how many people have donated so far

1462
02:05:48,370 --> 02:05:49,810
has anything to do with how many people want to pool.

1463
02:05:51,930 --> 02:05:53,190
Now of course that was just

1464
02:05:53,190 --> 02:05:58,070
who people who want to pool didn't have any cost attached but even 58% of people

1465
02:05:58,070 --> 02:06:02,090
said they were willing to have their property taxes raised to fund a pool. So

1466
02:06:02,090 --> 02:06:07,450
still well above half the village wants a pool and is willing to pay more taxes. So I would just

1467
02:06:08,270 --> 02:06:14,390
go back to that when we're thinking about this idea that we that maybe people don't want to pool.

1468
02:06:14,430 --> 02:06:18,190
Like of course some people don't want to pool but the vast majority want to pool and are willing

1469
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:26,230
to put in money. Actually there was 58% of respondents which was I think less than 40% of our population.

1470
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:32,250
But still, it's a size of a number of note, but it's not the majority of residents.

1471
02:06:32,770 --> 02:06:38,430
Well, I think it's a representative sample, so you can assume that it is the majority.

1472
02:06:39,630 --> 02:06:40,550
Actually, that's not true.

1473
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:42,150
You can't assume that that's not true.

1474
02:06:42,210 --> 02:06:45,290
Well, the study says that it's representative of the whole population.

1475
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:51,520
So, my view, I appreciate this.

1476
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:54,740
I think anything we can do to help is where I would like to head.

1477
02:06:54,740 --> 02:07:02,040
So, in my view, it would be great if we could do something either put it up for a referendum,

1478
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:06,940
so that's voted on, and I would say binding referendum voted on, and then also that would include

1479
02:07:06,940 --> 02:07:11,600
the portion where we educate public. Here's the actual cost to you because maybe some people do change

1480
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:18,000
their minds, or maybe we don't have a majority, and so then it would be just the ultimate decision.

1481
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:23,120
There would be no more debating among us, I think, if the people just vote on it, and they either

1482
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:31,700
funded or they don't. Failing that or possibly supplementing that, I think if we could get

1483
02:07:31,700 --> 02:07:40,640
the fundraisers a more definitive concrete design, maybe actually go through paying for

1484
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:47,300
what would be a much further along design than what we have now, which is great. You know,

1485
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:52,660
this concept got us quite a ways, but I think if the people who might be sitting there

1486
02:07:52,660 --> 02:07:58,360
waiting to donate the big bucks are seeing that we're still debating how many of this it has

1487
02:07:58,360 --> 02:08:02,980
and what's that going to look like, a pre-added plan that was like here, we could go build this

1488
02:08:02,980 --> 02:08:08,440
then we would be open to applying for grants which I think is probably not a big chance but we

1489
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:12,440
would also have something for the fundraisers to put in front saying look they're going to build this

1490
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:17,960
thing if we give them the money and so I think that could be a really powerful tool that we might be

1491
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:23,820
consider if that if the cost of producing a more definitive plan isn't insane. I would I mean given

1492
02:08:23,820 --> 02:08:29,780
the fact that it defines labs and pool numbers and pools square footages and all of that I would

1493
02:08:29,780 --> 02:08:37,480
say it's actually very defined for a campaign. So it's as defined as any campaign I've seen for

1494
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:45,020
$2,000,000,000 at this point. So I would argue that it is defined.

1495
02:08:45,020 --> 02:08:54,120
Okay. I mean, it's very clear. And I think that pool designs are very clear. They were

1496
02:08:54,120 --> 02:09:00,180
voted on and passed unanimously. I think that the pool group has done a beautiful job of

1497
02:09:00,180 --> 02:09:04,840
representing the materials in a way that's compelling and interesting to people.

1498
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:10,260
I mean, I think they're beautifully put together. So I'm not sure that

1499
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:14,180
going back to that accomplishes much.

1500
02:09:14,820 --> 02:09:17,120
Well, it might not, but it's obviously not good enough to get a grant.

1501
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:18,540
So it could be further.

1502
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,860
It could be something where we could apply for a grant,

1503
02:09:20,940 --> 02:09:24,760
which I think would also be more proof that we're really, really going to do it.

1504
02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:27,160
If we get the money.

1505
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:30,920
Well, I do think also that we do need a timeline.

1506
02:09:31,220 --> 02:09:33,220
I mean, one of the things that we've heard is there's no timeline.

1507
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:41,720
And, you know, I think that, you know,

1508
02:09:41,720 --> 02:10:06,020
And what I would be in favor of is lowering the cost to total cost to divide six and a half million dollars to be using that kind of cuts the difference, putting a timeline on and I really think we need a January timeline, not before anybody gets wild, not January of 2027, but choosing either.

1509
02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:14,780
probably 29 January because there has to be enough time to actually go out and do it.

1510
02:10:15,620 --> 02:10:20,280
And I think the reason there should be January, February timeline is because lots of

1511
02:10:20,280 --> 02:10:22,220
people are very geared around year-end giving.

1512
02:10:22,980 --> 02:10:29,370
And so to do, you know, something in September or October is ridiculous.

1513
02:10:29,630 --> 02:10:33,550
I mean, it would be cutting off the potential to really bring in some significant money when

1514
02:10:33,550 --> 02:10:35,230
you're pushing towards the final conclusion.

1515
02:10:35,230 --> 02:10:37,390
and I don't think that that's smart or right or fair,

1516
02:10:38,290 --> 02:10:39,810
but I would be in favor of that.

1517
02:10:41,680 --> 02:10:42,680
Yes, Mr. Holman.

1518
02:10:42,860 --> 02:10:44,220
I'm in favor of a referendum.

1519
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:45,440
Simple one.

1520
02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:47,020
Just have it.

1521
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:48,120
Did you get a citizen?

1522
02:10:49,180 --> 02:10:51,500
You and I got elected this last election

1523
02:10:51,500 --> 02:10:53,680
with just 40% of the people voting.

1524
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:54,720
Yep.

1525
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:56,680
That's not the majority.

1526
02:10:57,420 --> 02:10:57,560
Yep.

1527
02:10:58,780 --> 02:11:00,760
I say we have a binding referendum.

1528
02:11:01,540 --> 02:11:02,200
Then you know.

1529
02:11:03,500 --> 02:11:06,080
Then no way on this side or no way on that side

1530
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:07,540
That is good to say that is the way it goes.

1531
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:12,020
And you have the two things that at this governor's welcome.

1532
02:11:12,300 --> 02:11:14,220
I don't think we will be able to get in for an election.

1533
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:15,260
I remember it will lead.

1534
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:18,160
No, no, November.

1535
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:24,040
It is the election turn out when we prime into 80% to 80%怨.

1536
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:26,360
Then you will get a true representation.

1537
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:28,140
Mr. Friedman.

1538
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:35,380
So I would like a pool, I would like a dog park, I would like a whole bunch of

1539
02:11:35,380 --> 02:11:41,500
recreation facilities here that would add to the amenities of the village but I can't get

1540
02:11:41,500 --> 02:11:48,060
away from the graph that the village manager presented to us showing us that even if we don't do

1541
02:11:48,060 --> 02:12:05,360
a pool and if we don't do a village hall we're still going to run up against the debt limit and it's

1542
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:11,620
about the fact that our DPW and police and fire are asking for more money, so is the library,

1543
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:19,700
and fire department. Fire department. And as much as I want, every single one of those amenities,

1544
02:12:20,340 --> 02:12:24,600
how can we walk away from the graph that Mr. Crackle showed us to me?

1545
02:12:28,300 --> 02:12:31,620
Yes. I have the same concern.

1546
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:36,740
I don't know that the information we got today was most uplifted, but it's

1547
02:12:37,460 --> 02:12:44,460
Based on some reality, the other concern I've always had is we have very limited billage

1548
02:12:44,460 --> 02:12:51,080
on property that is undeveloped and really the poolside probably is the only site we have

1549
02:12:51,080 --> 02:13:02,040
that's not and I have difficulty committing millions of dollars to build a facility that's

1550
02:13:02,040 --> 02:13:10,700
It's going to be there for 40 or 50 years and takes away any flexibility for other types

1551
02:13:10,700 --> 02:13:17,100
of development, whether it's a better site for the Village Hall or a community center who

1552
02:13:17,100 --> 02:13:18,040
knows about it.

1553
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:22,820
Maybe it does end up going full circle back to some type of residential development that increases

1554
02:13:22,820 --> 02:13:23,600
their tax base.

1555
02:13:25,340 --> 02:13:32,220
I think it's just being the only remaining undevelopable, undeveloped site that we all might

1556
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:39,520
really think putting any type of long-term facility that's not a profit center.

1557
02:13:40,040 --> 02:13:43,800
It's not an asset. People say it's an asset to a village. It is not an asset.

1558
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:49,780
It's a detriment. It's a liability. I just can't see using that land that way.

1559
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:55,400
And, again, I reiterate what Rusty Friedman said.

1560
02:13:55,560 --> 02:14:02,000
We have a lot of expensive real-life situations facing us over the next few years.

1561
02:14:02,540 --> 02:14:11,580
We don't know what kind of cost, any type of flood mitigation efforts might be committing

1562
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:14,960
to a pool at this point.

1563
02:14:16,420 --> 02:14:25,060
is inappropriate. You know, if the full committee wants to continue the effort for fundraising,

1564
02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:33,480
if we lower the target dollar amount and take another couple of year to 2.5 years for that effort,

1565
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:41,040
maybe I almost feel like this first effort was sort of a false step. Maybe we both learn from the

1566
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:46,580
process and what needs to be done to be more effective at the fundraising, whether it's

1567
02:14:46,580 --> 02:14:55,210
hiring professional fundraisers to assist or whatever may be. I just cannot for those

1568
02:14:55,210 --> 02:14:58,710
reason really see going forward with the decision for referendum.

1569
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:29,580
At this point, I think there's just so much more that it has to be really considered. I could have a very long term in fact that. Yeah, I would just say I don't really understand this argument about developing a land. I don't know what we're going to develop. And this is exactly the type of thing that the land should be used for, something that is a community asset because it is an asset. If that, if that is what people want the land used for, it was used for a pool as a pool for 50 years.

1570
02:15:30,340 --> 02:15:34,080
I don't, I certainly think that's a better use than using it to park trucks.

1571
02:15:35,140 --> 02:15:39,220
I think it adds value to the community.

1572
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:43,000
I think it would have been helpful to have what we asked for in June,

1573
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:47,380
which we asked for analysis of potential pool operating costs and revenues,

1574
02:15:48,020 --> 02:15:50,880
including the additional revenue streams that would be available

1575
02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:53,800
from things like concessions to get an idea.

1576
02:15:54,300 --> 02:15:56,820
We didn't, we specifically said we didn't want historical data.

1577
02:15:56,820 --> 02:16:02,880
data. We were looking for forward-looking data for potential operating costs and revenues.

1578
02:16:03,580 --> 02:16:09,700
So it's unfortunate we don't have that. I think it would be useful to know what these partnerships

1579
02:16:09,700 --> 02:16:17,800
would consist of. I mean, what does Nikolay want? What does the JCC want in return for whatever

1580
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:22,260
they're going to offer? And what are they going to offer? Because I don't know why that wouldn't

1581
02:16:22,260 --> 02:16:28,680
And also go a long way toward getting rid of any if there is a deficit.

1582
02:16:28,980 --> 02:16:32,260
I think a new pool would draw a lot more people, I think one of the reasons a lot of people

1583
02:16:32,660 --> 02:16:36,720
were leaving was because the facility was in disrepair, it would close at random times,

1584
02:16:38,340 --> 02:16:40,360
and it just wasn't that nice facility.

1585
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:45,840
So we had a much nicer facility, I think we would get more people, especially with the closing,

1586
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:48,740
for example, of the JCC pool of in Mackline.

1587
02:16:50,780 --> 02:17:00,240
It would be, you know, we can look at that graph, there's a lot of, you know, that we haven't made any decision about whether or not to do these things.

1588
02:17:00,900 --> 02:17:10,120
So to me, when I see all of a sudden we're going to spend 13 million in one year on DPW projects, that's a massive increase from what we've done in the past.

1589
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:17,880
And you know, maybe we need to slow those things down if we're going to have significant other projects.

1590
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:24,120
I don't recall a year that I haven't been on the board that long, but spending $13 million on DPW projects.

1591
02:17:25,140 --> 02:17:28,480
I haven't seen it to do that years in a row.

1592
02:17:30,980 --> 02:17:37,460
Maybe those have to be split into two years, and that stretched out, and it's not a five-year plan, it's a ten-year plan.

1593
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:46,040
So, I think there's a lot of things to think about, but I do think that, again, if a referendum

1594
02:17:46,040 --> 02:17:50,620
may be the way to go, I mean, if people don't want it, if they don't want their increase

1595
02:17:50,620 --> 02:17:55,760
in their taxes, because even if you say the debt levy is going to double, the debt service

1596
02:17:55,760 --> 02:18:01,540
levy, how much is that per 100,000 valuation?

1597
02:18:02,540 --> 02:18:07,420
We're not talking about doubling people's taxes, that's not the equivalent.

1598
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:12,500
So again, we asked for those numbers, we didn't get those numbers, but that would have

1599
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:12,980
been helpful.

1600
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:18,960
We also asked for an estimate of the cost saving from having up the dry pickup.

1601
02:18:19,140 --> 02:18:20,060
We didn't get those numbers.

1602
02:18:20,560 --> 02:18:24,960
We also asked for an estimate of the cost of the larger community room, and I don't believe

1603
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:25,800
we got those numbers.

1604
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:30,760
So I'm not sure why we didn't get any of the things that we actually request.

1605
02:18:35,370 --> 02:18:36,630
Yes, Mr. Oli?

1606
02:18:36,690 --> 02:18:41,210
I just don't understand why some members on the board is afraid of a referendum.

1607
02:18:41,790 --> 02:18:42,930
That's why I'm getting the opinion.

1608
02:18:43,650 --> 02:18:46,050
You've shown the public right here and out.

1609
02:18:46,470 --> 02:18:48,250
You definitely don't want to pull.

1610
02:18:48,970 --> 02:18:50,610
Let the people fold.

1611
02:18:51,510 --> 02:18:53,030
Go away with our residents.

1612
02:18:53,170 --> 02:18:54,430
We represent the residents.

1613
02:18:54,690 --> 02:18:55,510
Yes, we residents.

1614
02:18:55,870 --> 02:18:57,470
Make sure we don't waste their money.

1615
02:18:57,470 --> 02:18:59,990
But this is something for the residents.

1616
02:19:01,190 --> 02:19:02,490
Have a referendum.

1617
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:05,090
You got your answer one way or another.

1618
02:19:05,690 --> 02:19:06,110
Simple.

1619
02:19:06,690 --> 02:19:08,870
I think some of the hesitation around a referendum

1620
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:12,450
is the fact that we've been making decisions for four years here

1621
02:19:12,450 --> 02:19:14,170
with great difficulty.

1622
02:19:14,450 --> 02:19:15,250
We've designed it.

1623
02:19:15,550 --> 02:19:16,490
We found a site.

1624
02:19:17,010 --> 02:19:18,190
We've costed it out.

1625
02:19:18,490 --> 02:19:19,590
We've done those things.

1626
02:19:20,610 --> 02:19:22,510
And still, here we are,

1627
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:25,350
looking at how complicated and how difficult it is

1628
02:19:25,350 --> 02:19:32,010
and how polarizing it is. We made the decision, by the way, you and I voted for the decision

1629
02:19:32,010 --> 02:19:36,730
to share the cost using the community model that we've already used. So we've already had

1630
02:19:37,630 --> 02:19:45,090
three or four specific votes around this, which by the way have taken a lot of time and energy

1631
02:19:45,090 --> 02:19:52,550
to get to. And we never took a get the residents to vote. I asked for reference from the beginning.

1632
02:19:52,550 --> 02:19:58,770
it never happened. And when that, you always said that the one meeting you pull up,

1633
02:19:58,910 --> 02:20:02,690
there would be law enforcement, say, an eight million, you have to come up with four million.

1634
02:20:03,870 --> 02:20:06,930
Harley, any discussion? You had already your motion meetup.

1635
02:20:08,190 --> 02:20:12,170
We only received it the day before the meeting. Yes.

1636
02:20:13,890 --> 02:20:20,010
I would say that this is a bigger decision than rule or notable. As I mentioned before,

1637
02:20:20,010 --> 02:20:23,290
or there are many things that this village needs to weigh

1638
02:20:24,010 --> 02:20:25,370
that can be very costly.

1639
02:20:26,330 --> 02:20:29,890
And to just take a snapshot of one part of it

1640
02:20:29,890 --> 02:20:32,150
and say, we want to pull or not, yes or no,

1641
02:20:32,490 --> 02:20:35,810
I think is not looking at the entire picture.

1642
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:37,030
That's my concern.

1643
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:40,330
And I think no matter how you try to educate,

1644
02:20:41,290 --> 02:20:46,270
the general population has to what type of cost there may be,

1645
02:20:47,730 --> 02:20:52,890
or how nice it might be or how many more people might use it.

1646
02:20:54,110 --> 02:20:56,010
It's a very emotional reaction.

1647
02:20:56,350 --> 02:20:58,690
I don't think we should be deciding this on emotion.

1648
02:20:58,970 --> 02:21:03,050
We should be deciding this on what makes monetary sense.

1649
02:21:04,310 --> 02:21:08,250
And as a fiduciary, as fiduciaries for this community,

1650
02:21:08,490 --> 02:21:11,190
we need to be making decisions that are appropriate

1651
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:15,010
for a financial standpoint, not an emotional reaction.

1652
02:21:15,010 --> 02:21:21,250
and that's why I feel my focusing just on a pool of no pool is truly emotional reaction.

1653
02:21:21,790 --> 02:21:28,150
I'd love to be able to have a nice sports car or something else, but it doesn't make sense.

1654
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:33,910
And I think we need to look at all the factors that are potentially be impacting this community,

1655
02:21:34,670 --> 02:21:40,610
financially, over the next several years, whether it's 13 million this year or six and a half

1656
02:21:40,610 --> 02:21:44,890
million. They are still a cost that we're going to need to be taking on. As we

1657
02:21:44,890 --> 02:21:51,350
increase our average tax bill for every resident in Hinder and its value, the

1658
02:21:51,350 --> 02:21:56,390
homes go up over time. We're starting to price all the young families out of

1659
02:21:56,390 --> 02:22:00,870
Fox Point. We just spent about 150 million dollars on school referendums

1660
02:22:00,870 --> 02:22:06,430
years ago for kids go to school. Well if we're not feeding those schools because

1661
02:22:06,430 --> 02:22:09,750
because young families can't afford to come in the box

1662
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:11,250
fine, we're defeating that purpose.

1663
02:22:11,870 --> 02:22:14,290
It's just a much bigger picture than do we do a poor,

1664
02:22:14,510 --> 02:22:17,050
don't we go to any other factors, et cetera?

1665
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:18,830
Mr. Oman.

1666
02:22:19,210 --> 02:22:22,630
Like Rex explained, you educate the public

1667
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:24,010
what this is all about.

1668
02:22:24,510 --> 02:22:26,830
Not just putting a referendum on there.

1669
02:22:26,990 --> 02:22:28,650
We've got time to a spring election.

1670
02:22:29,350 --> 02:22:30,770
You have everything down.

1671
02:22:31,370 --> 02:22:33,670
The police station to go over 10 years before you

1672
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:35,150
approved the police station.

1673
02:22:37,250 --> 02:22:42,470
I don't look at me. I wasn't part of that. So I wasn't here then. Yes.

1674
02:22:43,850 --> 02:22:53,650
First of all, I don't think it's an emotional reaction at all. You can look at the expenses and say, OK, if we spread this out, we can afford to do this.

1675
02:22:54,410 --> 02:23:00,550
Yes, it's a portion and a small portion of all the rest of these expenses, relatively speaking.

1676
02:23:01,330 --> 02:23:07,190
So, you know, I object to this term that, you know, overall reacting with the motion,

1677
02:23:07,310 --> 02:23:14,730
we're reacting to what people residents have said is important to them, as for facilities.

1678
02:23:15,230 --> 02:23:20,090
We're not asked, why aren't we asking residents, do you want to spend 5 million versus 20 million

1679
02:23:20,090 --> 02:23:20,590
on a building?

1680
02:23:21,730 --> 02:23:22,290
We will be.

1681
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:23,610
Well, are we?

1682
02:23:23,770 --> 02:23:24,870
Is that going to go to a referendum?

1683
02:23:25,610 --> 02:23:28,150
We're going to be getting public input, as with everything.

1684
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:34,550
And then, as far as, you know, well, is it a value?

1685
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:38,930
That's for residents to determine as far as pricing out young families.

1686
02:23:39,530 --> 02:23:41,730
I mean, I see in babies everywhere.

1687
02:23:42,430 --> 02:23:45,310
I mean, I am seeing so many families with young kids.

1688
02:23:45,550 --> 02:23:47,510
They're not being priced out as far as I can tell.

1689
02:23:47,730 --> 02:23:49,050
I don't know where the money's coming from.

1690
02:23:49,630 --> 02:23:51,970
But I see lots of young families.

1691
02:23:51,970 --> 02:23:53,430
They did more than what I'm here.

1692
02:23:54,030 --> 02:24:01,710
I might block along in this year we've had or two families, two small kids, one with

1693
02:24:01,710 --> 02:24:01,890
a two.

1694
02:24:01,890 --> 02:24:04,410
Well, that's fascinating, but I'm not sure that this is really relevant.

1695
02:24:04,550 --> 02:24:09,410
Well, what you're saying about pricing people out there, I can't believe what they're paying

1696
02:24:09,410 --> 02:24:14,350
for these houses, but they want to be at Vox Point, they're paying for them to get families.

1697
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:19,310
Is there anyone else other than the New Zealand that would like to speak?

1698
02:24:22,750 --> 02:24:23,170
Okay.

1699
02:24:23,170 --> 02:24:31,410
comment also that the school referenda were brought up. Well, again, you know, it seems

1700
02:24:31,410 --> 02:24:36,170
to me the argument is we shouldn't allow referenda because if the school referenda, the school

1701
02:24:36,170 --> 02:24:40,630
didn't have to say look, you know, your community is going to be spending this much on stormwater

1702
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:45,850
and your community is going to be spending this much on, no, they just, they asked, do you

1703
02:24:45,850 --> 02:24:50,790
want funding for your schools? And it's not because people are stupid that they said, yes,

1704
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:55,090
we want more funding for our schools so your argument is just that

1705
02:24:55,090 --> 02:24:58,890
referendum shouldn't be allowed but they are allowed and people are allowed to

1706
02:24:58,890 --> 02:25:02,970
make the decision. Mr. Miller. That is not my argument. The referendum should

1707
02:25:02,970 --> 02:25:08,810
not be allowed. My point is when take the example of the school referendum when

1708
02:25:08,810 --> 02:25:13,370
that came forward and the big ticket it had for it, other people were not

1709
02:25:13,370 --> 02:25:19,370
considering what other potential costs will my community have to cover over the

1710
02:25:19,370 --> 02:25:24,530
several years, and having all that information, which you cannot educate them with, I don't

1711
02:25:24,530 --> 02:25:30,650
believe thoroughly, prior to referendum, there are decisions on whether the referendum has

1712
02:25:30,650 --> 02:25:35,190
stood to have been appropriate, the dollar amount, or maybe should have been cut back, maybe

1713
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:36,050
should not have been approved.

1714
02:25:36,590 --> 02:25:41,890
There is a much bigger picture here than do we want in schools, we want just to pool, and

1715
02:25:42,310 --> 02:25:46,750
this is where I think the poor responsibility is, because we are elected to do this to look

1716
02:25:46,750 --> 02:25:52,170
at all the potential needs of this community. A lot of it was brought up tonight. We don't have

1717
02:25:52,170 --> 02:25:57,570
exact numbers or timetables that we see that there's a lot coming down the shoot. And to say,

1718
02:25:57,670 --> 02:26:05,790
let's spend $4 to $8 million on Google without really valuating all these other elements that are

1719
02:26:05,790 --> 02:26:09,510
going to come, I think is just totally irresponsible.

1720
02:26:11,550 --> 02:26:15,510
Well, I'll go out on a limb and I'll make a motion.

1721
02:26:16,750 --> 02:26:25,510
I suppose nobody else has, and I would move that we direct staff to come back next meeting

1722
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:34,910
with a resolution that would take the existing resolution, adjust it for our cost of $6.6

1723
02:26:34,910 --> 02:26:44,430
million to be split in two to reduce the fundraising goal of $3.2, $3.3 million and look

1724
02:26:44,430 --> 02:26:55,610
at adding in a timeline of, I'll say, February of 2029.

1725
02:26:58,120 --> 02:26:58,600
29.

1726
02:27:01,620 --> 02:27:02,800
So two and a half years.

1727
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:05,300
That gives, you know, four to six months

1728
02:27:05,300 --> 02:27:07,640
you get organized in two years to hit it.

1729
02:27:11,820 --> 02:27:18,120
And I'll point out that the Doctors Park project

1730
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:23,320
much more different goal, but in the last six months they've raised more than the

1731
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:30,760
pool's race so far. But I do think that there's new energy, there's new direction

1732
02:27:33,080 --> 02:27:36,540
and I think that this is very, very common. It happened with the bridge, it

1733
02:27:36,540 --> 02:27:37,360
happens with everything.

1734
02:27:40,360 --> 02:27:42,460
You know, we've already paid for a number of the expenses,

1735
02:27:42,460 --> 02:27:45,760
we paid for the design, we paid for the clearing of the site, we paid for a lot

1736
02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:50,820
of these things, we're agreeing, we have already agreed by the way of nothing changes

1737
02:27:50,820 --> 02:27:54,340
tonight, we've already agreed to pay $4 million for the construction of a pool.

1738
02:27:57,100 --> 02:28:03,960
If the group brings forward $4 million, we have already agreed to somehow look at taking

1739
02:28:03,960 --> 02:28:11,120
on the operational costs, so that is my motion and is there a second?

1740
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:11,860
I'll

1741
02:28:15,820 --> 02:28:16,380
second that.

1742
02:28:17,220 --> 02:28:17,300
Second.

1743
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:18,720
Mr. McDonough.

1744
02:28:20,760 --> 02:28:21,680
Discussion on that?

1745
02:28:22,140 --> 02:28:23,220
Yes, we will.

1746
02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:26,140
I don't agree with the three million.

1747
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:28,820
I'd like to see your lord in that.

1748
02:28:29,220 --> 02:28:31,140
Well, two million at the top.

1749
02:28:32,020 --> 02:28:32,580
Okay.

1750
02:28:34,220 --> 02:28:36,500
That's not the motion, but I appreciate comment.

1751
02:28:36,680 --> 02:28:37,000
Thank you.

1752
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:37,580
Yes.

1753
02:28:37,940 --> 02:28:42,300
I feel so much pressure right now, which you're asking me to do

1754
02:28:42,300 --> 02:28:48,200
is vote on having a pool and saying no to the people whose basements are

1755
02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:54,900
flooding in the creek and saying no to the DPW to be properly staff because the

1756
02:28:54,900 --> 02:29:03,180
graph that we saw said we can't do all of that so I want a pool but I feel so

1757
02:29:03,180 --> 02:29:09,080
conflicted because I'm gonna have to say no to other things and I feel like I'm in a

1758
02:29:09,080 --> 02:29:10,280
no win position here.

1759
02:29:10,540 --> 02:29:12,000
We are all in a no win position.

1760
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:16,360
Your options are to vote yes or vote no.

1761
02:29:16,820 --> 02:29:19,880
And if it doesn't pass, then we may have another resolution.

1762
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:22,480
We may have another motion to not have a pool at all.

1763
02:29:23,140 --> 02:29:24,220
And then we have our answer.

1764
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:26,960
We may have a motion to have a referendum.

1765
02:29:27,180 --> 02:29:28,700
And then we may have our answer.

1766
02:29:29,900 --> 02:29:31,020
So there we are.

1767
02:29:32,040 --> 02:29:34,940
Anyone can make, you've already spoken yes.

1768
02:29:34,940 --> 02:29:41,040
Yes, I was going to say another option is to amend this motion, so it could be amended

1769
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:42,400
to lower the amount of $2 million.

1770
02:29:42,580 --> 02:29:49,020
It also could be amended to extend the date past January or February, 2021, which I would

1771
02:29:49,020 --> 02:29:53,000
certainly feel that the date should be extended if we are going to do this.

1772
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:58,000
And I would also say that if we say yes to a pool, it doesn't mean we're saying no to Indian

1773
02:29:58,000 --> 02:29:59,900
and Creek, we can say yes to Alice.

1774
02:30:00,690 --> 02:30:19,190
So I have a question for you. What would you feel is a better date? And the reason I chose a January February is just to capture the year end. Would you say 2030 is a better date? 2030, 2031. If we're not doing anything that land anyway, let's give them more time. Well,

1775
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:25,880
okay. Any other discussion? Yes.

1776
02:30:28,180 --> 02:30:33,840
I am in favor of giving whomever all the time they need.

1777
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:39,240
need but if we extend the time too much the costs are not going to be with the art today.

1778
02:30:41,020 --> 02:30:51,050
So I guess rather than a fixed dollar amount, it would be perhaps a fixed percentage of

1779
02:30:51,050 --> 02:30:55,190
what the actual costs are when the date comes in, when the date finally is hit.

1780
02:30:56,110 --> 02:30:58,150
Could you remind us what it says in the resolution?

1781
02:31:00,440 --> 02:31:06,600
It said they have to raise $4 million, but the problem is that they're not going to

1782
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:10,340
know when they use it, when the date is hit, how are they going to know it? They don't know

1783
02:31:10,340 --> 02:31:17,080
what the cost is. Okay, so the car resolution says $4 million.

1784
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:22,180
Okay. Does it say or 50%?

1785
02:31:22,320 --> 02:31:27,740
Not in the, not in the version I have. I don't have a size of version. I believe that it's $4 million

1786
02:31:27,740 --> 02:31:32,760
and if that is more than 50%, the money would go into a fund.

1787
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:41,460
operations fund? I believe. Yes. Okay. So I have no problem with whatever date the consensus

1788
02:31:41,460 --> 02:31:49,040
might be, but I don't want to end up in a position where we've lowered the number

1789
02:31:49,780 --> 02:31:56,280
and our commitment, but the actual number goes up. And so our commitment is actually gone up

1790
02:31:56,280 --> 02:31:58,300
beyond what we, what we might the authorize.

1791
02:31:58,680 --> 02:32:00,360
I understand that completely.

1792
02:32:01,140 --> 02:32:01,920
Mr. Berry, yes.

1793
02:32:02,060 --> 02:32:03,100
You're going to be true that we,

1794
02:32:04,040 --> 02:32:05,660
we don't have a final design.

1795
02:32:05,660 --> 02:32:07,880
So we could take whatever money we get

1796
02:32:08,320 --> 02:32:09,940
that we've set a limit on.

1797
02:32:10,260 --> 02:32:13,760
And then we know the resolution says we will,

1798
02:32:14,220 --> 02:32:17,580
it depends what it says, but we can change the design after that point still.

1799
02:32:17,740 --> 02:32:20,300
We have voted on a design that can obviously,

1800
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:23,080
if everyone wants to throw everything into a sunder,

1801
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:24,580
we can throw that into a sunder too.

1802
02:32:24,580 --> 02:32:29,960
So, but we have voted on a design and approved a conceptual design, which is fairly specific

1803
02:32:29,960 --> 02:32:36,960
with a certain number of lap planes, separate pools for kiddies, etc., so somebody could

1804
02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:40,940
say we don't want a kiddie pool, somebody could say we want four lanes instead of six

1805
02:32:40,940 --> 02:32:44,560
or eight, I mean, whatever, but that's not where we are today.

1806
02:32:44,700 --> 02:32:48,340
We haven't approved, voted on, unanimously agreed upon design.

1807
02:32:49,220 --> 02:32:49,360
Okay.

1808
02:32:49,360 --> 02:32:59,450
So, I just clarify, this motion is direction to staff and I just want to be clear in that direction.

1809
02:33:00,110 --> 02:33:11,710
I understand the two points of the 3.3 million and the date which is currently February 29.

1810
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:26,080
Does this assume that it does not include the community building, in which case I think we should specify that information?

1811
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:33,980
Yes, it would assume that it does not include the non-pool portion of the community building.

1812
02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:40,280
There is a pool portion of the community building, which it should be responsible for.

1813
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:44,700
But I feel it should not be responsible for the not-pool portion of the community building.

1814
02:33:45,400 --> 02:33:47,940
Which Mr. Kreklo has ballparked.

1815
02:33:53,100 --> 02:33:53,960
So, yes.

1816
02:33:54,460 --> 02:33:59,840
I'm just going to make a comment to maybe help with the discussion here.

1817
02:34:00,800 --> 02:34:07,420
But the board can keep in mind that what your motion is doing is asking staff to present

1818
02:34:08,280 --> 02:34:11,640
prepare a resolution for consideration in October.

1819
02:34:11,640 --> 02:34:27,300
So, if you're not certain, if members of the board are not certain about a date or some of the details of that, there would be an opportunity to discuss that and present amendments to the resolution at the October meeting.

1820
02:34:28,140 --> 02:34:40,040
So, you're not making a decision on the resolution tonight, your motion would be to direct staff to bring a resolution together so you make a decision on that in October.

1821
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:53,000
would you like to make a friendly amendment to the date to be February of 2030. Yes. I would accept that. Would you accept that? Yes, I would. Okay.

1822
02:34:57,260 --> 02:35:06,440
I have no, no, we're talking about absorbing the cost in the within our capital projects.

1823
02:35:09,170 --> 02:35:13,810
So, and I want to make that very clear, I'm not talking about removing it, I'm talking

1824
02:35:13,810 --> 02:35:20,070
about taking the cost out of the fundraising goal, not the structural function.

1825
02:35:21,690 --> 02:35:23,750
Can I make a amendment for the price?

1826
02:35:25,790 --> 02:35:26,370
You may.

1827
02:35:26,870 --> 02:35:33,990
I mean, I'm not going to be accepting a friendly amendment to the price to $2 million, but you

1828
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:34,390
may try.

1829
02:35:36,030 --> 02:35:37,490
And I'm the one who made the motion.

1830
02:35:39,550 --> 02:35:45,650
I will need to make the motion to knock it down to, we're at 3.3, make it $2.3 million.

1831
02:35:46,290 --> 02:35:48,450
Well, I don't accept that as a friendly amendment, so.

1832
02:35:48,450 --> 02:35:53,550
Well, if it's seconded, it can be voted on us.

1833
02:35:54,030 --> 02:35:54,270
Okay.

1834
02:35:54,850 --> 02:35:56,290
Does somebody want to second that?

1835
02:35:56,750 --> 02:35:57,370
No seconded.

1836
02:35:58,370 --> 02:35:58,850
Okay.

1837
02:35:59,010 --> 02:36:00,330
So now we have to vote on that.

1838
02:36:00,510 --> 02:36:00,950
Is that correct?

1839
02:36:01,650 --> 02:36:06,610
Well, you first can debate it, and then no one debate is over, then you vote on the amendment.

1840
02:36:07,410 --> 02:36:07,690
Okay.

1841
02:36:08,930 --> 02:36:09,910
Is there any debate?

1842
02:36:10,770 --> 02:36:13,410
I mean, I would be very opposed to that.

1843
02:36:13,410 --> 02:36:15,530
we've heard from people that we can't afford that.

1844
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:20,910
We're debating up here at the moment, so no.

1845
02:36:21,430 --> 02:36:25,490
We've heard from basically everybody about this, so we know where people stand.

1846
02:36:27,930 --> 02:36:33,410
Any other conversation? Okay, so last, we'll roll call on that amendment.

1847
02:36:33,410 --> 02:36:35,510
on that one. Which you may have been yours.

1848
02:36:37,770 --> 02:36:40,830
Excuse me, to include the amount of date as well.

1849
02:36:41,150 --> 02:36:44,490
So this is only to change the main motion

1850
02:36:45,330 --> 02:36:47,470
from 3.3 million to 2 million.

1851
02:36:47,890 --> 02:36:50,270
Then there will be a second vote on the main.

1852
02:36:50,550 --> 02:36:51,850
2.2, is that what you said?

1853
02:36:52,210 --> 02:36:55,610
2.3. 2.3. You're at 3.3 right now, right?

1854
02:36:56,030 --> 02:36:56,130
Yes.

1855
02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:57,630
2.3.

1856
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:58,190
Okay.

1857
02:36:59,470 --> 02:37:00,570
I do have a question.

1858
02:37:00,570 --> 02:37:11,450
Okay. So what happens if we get grants or we get all these other people come in? How does that change what to build these pays and what's the fundraisers have to pay?

1859
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:19,490
Well, the fundraising team would typically pursue grants from foundations and other groups that maybe they would have access to.

1860
02:37:20,210 --> 02:37:25,510
And that would obviously count towards their pledges that would be applied to the situation.

1861
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:29,910
and if the village pursued a grant, like Mr. Cracklow had identified, then that would

1862
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:31,090
have applied to the village force.

1863
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:38,360
There's a very slim, like as in almost zero chance, that we would get the grants again

1864
02:37:38,360 --> 02:37:43,540
and I find there for underserved communities, which we don't particularly identify as.

1865
02:37:45,660 --> 02:37:54,700
So it's not to say it's impossible, but fundraising groups, teams, I mean, the bridge went after

1866
02:37:54,700 --> 02:37:56,100
They're all sorts of grants from different people.

1867
02:37:56,180 --> 02:37:57,240
They got recreation grants.

1868
02:37:57,400 --> 02:37:58,140
They got all sorts of things.

1869
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:01,500
So that would get applied to their responsibilities.

1870
02:38:04,940 --> 02:38:06,120
Okay, so we have a motion.

1871
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:10,020
We have an amendment and we have a second for that.

1872
02:38:10,480 --> 02:38:11,180
And now.

1873
02:38:11,360 --> 02:38:12,160
Through board three million.

1874
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:12,700
Yes.

1875
02:38:13,360 --> 02:38:15,520
Any other debate on that?

1876
02:38:16,540 --> 02:38:18,020
Okay, I'll ask for a roll call, please.

1877
02:38:18,460 --> 02:38:18,960
Trustee Elman?

1878
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:19,540
All right.

1879
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:20,280
Trustee Elian?

1880
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:20,900
Yes.

1881
02:38:21,400 --> 02:38:22,080
Trustee Friedman?

1882
02:38:22,600 --> 02:38:23,320
I'm sorry to know.

1883
02:38:23,880 --> 02:38:24,520
Trustee Miller?

1884
02:38:24,820 --> 02:38:25,060
No.

1885
02:38:25,540 --> 02:38:26,100
Trustee Berry?

1886
02:38:31,100 --> 02:38:31,980
Okay,

1887
02:38:35,420 --> 02:38:54,760
so now we have, we're back to the original motion which reduces the goal to $3.3 million and I've accepted the friendly amendment to the date of February 20, 30, 30, 30.

1888
02:38:54,760 --> 02:38:57,440
Okay. Any other debate on that?

1889
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:01,640
Okay. I will ask for a vote called now, please.

1890
02:39:02,280 --> 02:39:02,780
Trustee Omen.

1891
02:39:02,980 --> 02:39:03,120
Aye.

1892
02:39:03,560 --> 02:39:04,360
Trustee Elianne.

1893
02:39:04,420 --> 02:39:05,540
Trustee Friedman.

1894
02:39:06,040 --> 02:39:06,220
Aye.

1895
02:39:06,680 --> 02:39:07,240
Trustee Miller.

1896
02:39:07,580 --> 02:39:07,880
No.

1897
02:39:08,380 --> 02:39:09,060
Trustee Berry.

1898
02:39:09,380 --> 02:39:09,540
Aye.

1899
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:11,060
Trustee McDonough.

1900
02:39:13,940 --> 02:39:14,540
Aye.

1901
02:39:15,600 --> 02:39:16,660
President Sinchich.

1902
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:17,260
Aye.

1903
02:39:18,200 --> 02:39:24,300
So, that motion carries and we have a new goal and a date and...

1904
02:39:25,240 --> 02:39:30,540
What are your directions to staff to bring that back next month for consideration?

1905
02:39:32,780 --> 02:39:34,340
Okay, thank you.

1906
02:39:36,520 --> 02:39:42,140
All right, any future agenda items, the Village Board will act on any trustee request

1907
02:39:42,140 --> 02:39:45,040
to place additional matters on the upcoming agenda.

1908
02:39:45,880 --> 02:39:46,160
Anything?

1909
02:39:49,370 --> 02:39:49,530
Okay.

1910
02:39:50,030 --> 02:39:50,650
Announcements.

1911
02:39:51,950 --> 02:40:00,310
I would like to say a huge thank you to Emily and the Centennial Committee.

1912
02:40:00,630 --> 02:40:04,430
They did an amazing job of everything throughout the year.

1913
02:40:05,090 --> 02:40:06,350
The book is fantastic.

1914
02:40:07,470 --> 02:40:09,590
I don't know if we have copies out there for people.

1915
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:11,570
They've been picked them up.

1916
02:40:12,470 --> 02:40:13,350
Oh, are they all gone?

1917
02:40:16,850 --> 02:40:19,390
Okay, we'll put some more out if anybody needs one on their way out.

1918
02:40:19,390 --> 02:40:28,210
we put some out but really Emily and the committee did a phenomenal job and I'm really pleased

1919
02:40:28,210 --> 02:40:37,010
with how everything turned out so thank you. That's it for me. Trustee Elman. Trustee Elian. No adults.

1920
02:40:37,550 --> 02:40:46,010
Trustee Friedman. Trustee Leonard. No announcements. Trustee Barry. No announcements. Trustee McPhannon. No announcements.

1921
02:40:49,070 --> 02:40:56,930
Just one quick announcement, we are beginning the budget process for the 2027 budget.

1922
02:40:58,050 --> 02:41:07,110
And we schedule budget workshop on Monday the 19th at 5 o'clock in this room and we will

1923
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:15,470
be having a public hearing on the budget and budget adoption on November 23rd at 7 o'clock

1924
02:41:15,470 --> 02:41:24,250
in this room. Excuse me, the 19th of October. The budget workshop will be Monday, October 19th, okay.

1925
02:41:25,250 --> 02:41:32,810
If I may, there was some discussion about November 5th, was that date gone? And now it's the 19th,

1926
02:41:32,810 --> 02:41:43,730
or whatever? Yeah, we had sent out a poll and I believe the fifth was an option, but I think the majority

1927
02:41:43,730 --> 02:41:53,750
came back on the 19th. Actually, I don't believe the 5th was an option because there is a publication

1928
02:41:54,950 --> 02:42:01,210
requirement for the public hearing and I think if we've had it on the 5th, they will be separated

1929
02:42:01,210 --> 02:42:08,650
out by next number of days. I just kind of lost because I was a communication for a short time

1930
02:42:08,650 --> 02:42:17,710
Yeah, and I saw fifth to fifth and yeah, I apologize if we missed out now, but 19th, 19th.

1931
02:42:18,230 --> 02:42:20,390
And you can participate by Zoom if that's okay.

1932
02:42:20,990 --> 02:42:22,370
Yeah, we will have a Zoom option.

1933
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:23,590
Yeah.

1934
02:42:25,900 --> 02:42:26,660
That was it.

1935
02:42:26,840 --> 02:42:27,180
All right.

1936
02:42:28,320 --> 02:42:29,280
Thank you.

1937
02:42:30,480 --> 02:42:32,180
Oh, I'll move that we adjourn.

1938
02:42:32,440 --> 02:42:32,620
Sorry.

1939
02:42:33,800 --> 02:42:34,280
Second.

1940
02:42:35,240 --> 02:42:35,720
Okay.

1941
02:42:35,900 --> 02:42:36,640
I'll ask for roll call.

1942
02:42:36,740 --> 02:42:36,940
Please.

1943
02:42:36,940 --> 02:42:37,960
Trustee O'Lan.

1944
02:42:38,200 --> 02:42:38,320
No.

1945
02:42:39,180 --> 02:42:39,500
Aye.

1946
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:40,660
Trustee O'Connor.

1947
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:41,120
Aye.

1948
02:42:41,640 --> 02:42:43,160
Trustee O'Connor.

1949
02:42:43,440 --> 02:42:43,580
Aye.

1950
02:42:43,800 --> 02:42:44,320
Trustee Beary.

1951
02:42:44,540 --> 02:42:44,680
Aye.

1952
02:42:44,880 --> 02:42:45,520
Trustee McConnor.

1953
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:46,240
Aye.

1954
02:42:46,540 --> 02:42:47,300
Trustee Simpich.

1955
02:42:47,620 --> 02:42:47,720
Aye.

1956
02:42:48,200 --> 02:42:48,980
The motion carries.

1957
02:42:49,460 --> 02:42:50,060
Thank you, award.