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So I am going to call this meeting to order.

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Can everybody hear me? Yes. Okay, thank you.

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So, just a couple things.

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First of all, we are doing a fully virtual meeting tonight,

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so I just wanna s scramble that a little bit.

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I'm decided to try it out for a multitude of reasons.

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First of all is I think the meetings have folly,

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despite the best efforts

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of everybody have not been the smoothest

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that's been both in terms of production of the meeting,

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but also the speaking and presenting has been a little

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challenging just to be able to see everything clearly

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and, and that type of thing.

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And even meeting there since the outset,

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we've never had everybody in the committee in the room at

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once or really even close.

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And we've had virtually no public in the room

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since our reception.

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But, so perhaps this will be easier,

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but certainly just as easy.

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So when we discussed this a little bit in one

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of our working sessions, there is some merit to the,

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maybe following presentations will be a little bit

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easier on the screen.

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or on your screen there.

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I'm, I admit, I'm not usually overall a big fan

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of a virtual meeting Back in 2020

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and 21 when I was chairman of the city council,

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that's all we had from almost the

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So it kind of brings back a little bit of bad memories, but,

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but I, I think it was worth it.

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And this wasn't a reason for it, but it is a truism.

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to travel the frame medium far and wide.

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for them, that's fine too.

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And I'll certainly welcome Amy's feedback

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as we try it a couple times

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and see whether we think it works

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or whether we don't think it works.

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But that was the, that's the rationale from behind it.

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to raise your virtual hands if you could,

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to do roll call votes as always,

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but that's always the case anyways.

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we have no public participation.

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So the next item would be to review the meeting minutes

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to approve the May 4th, 2026 meeting minutes.

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So moved. Okay,

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Second. Seconded.

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So unfortunately I take a roll call vote on all of these.

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I'm gonna just read it across my screen as it appears.

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you don't get called at the end

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of a roll call, just let me know.

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and forth different directions, but anyways.

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Chair, we have our newest member Ria

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We do Sheria. Thank you. We have spoken previously.

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but I will get through it anyways then my screen just moved.

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I'll start sharing this. So Sherry, thank you.

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Next will be a motion to approve the invoices for the April

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the month ending April of 2026.

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Someone like to make a motion.

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So moved. Okay. I heard Mr. Waler move it.

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I'll give a second to Mr. Freberg and I'll take a vote.

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Sheray, do you wanna vote tonight?

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I cannot hear you for some reason. Anyone else hear her?

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It shows you it's off mute, but I can't hear you.

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So who is going to handle that? Which, which Chris?

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and choosing July 8th gives us a chance

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after this committee has seen all the options to

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before you rank by meeting with the public on July 8th.

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that have been shared with all of you, as well

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that having that forum as part of at the appropriate time

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for where the work was, was more important than trying

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of the school vacation time for the summer.

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we'd like to discuss evaluation criteria on these projects

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because I think process is an important part

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of an any MSBA job.

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that we're in the preliminary design program

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or PDP is about choosing the options that are advancing

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of the options presented from a test fit basis

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best represent the type of project that you would like

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that those options will be developed in the next phase.

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of whether we're choosing the Hemenway site

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what you felt are the appropriate evaluation criteria

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for evaluating those options against themselves.

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which one rises to the top?

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direction to choose what is most advantageous

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appropriateness of the various options that do move forward.

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Thanks Chris. So I put in the chat a link to

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and we should be able to see live the ranking start

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to take shape of what you think is most important.

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Hold on for a second. So I'm gonna ask that we do go

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through the chairman Okay.

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Just on these meetings to see how we just,

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That's all right. And so Scott,

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All right, Scott, what, what's your is is she alright.

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which I think is gonna end up being a significant

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consideration depending upon

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which option we evaluate.

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that we can prioritize.

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because we're looking at two potential sites.

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and neighborhood, it's either a positive and

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the Hemingway neighborhood.

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because we're not doing it at Bethany and vice versa.

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to understand these evaluation criteria

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don't necessarily need to be a comparison between

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what we do at Bethany and what we do at hemenway.

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Now we will have an involved discussion of that

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through the PSR, but we would recommend

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that at this time we choose one ad Reno at hemenway,

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one new construction at Hemenway, one, Bethany

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Road, new construction, and that all of those advance

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and if the committee feels it's necessary,

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others could advance as well.

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So we would have more options

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and that would factor into the evaluation that we do.

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Now, what we don't recommend at this time is

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to be weighing Bethany options against Hemingway

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options because each of the options really either work

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or don't in terms of how they're presented on the screen.

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The other thing that I'll say is

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that while we could only list 12 in our initial ranking

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here, the second slide that we'll get

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to in a minute is a word cloud.

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So if there was something that the committee felt was not

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represented in these 12 options that we proposed

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to be ranked, we can have you add those in

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and then we'll analyze those between now

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and the next meeting and bring back the top ranked

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criteria as well as the items that come from the word cloud

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that are consistently recommended by folks on the committee.

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Yeah. So to that end, I think I'll, I'll recognize Brent,

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but then I think we should go through this

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and then if we find something missing

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or something that wasn't, you know, as inclusive

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or involved, then we can maybe talk about it then.

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But instead of like trying to anticipate it ahead of time,

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I just fear we're gonna make a,

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a relatively long presentation longer.

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So Brent, then I have one technical issue,

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then we'll start. So go ahead.

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My only question, and I'm not an expert by any means,

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but are anonymous surveys allowed via open meeting law?

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I would defer to someone else with greater knowledge.

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Right? Well, I mean anonymous or votes or not, but I mean

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I, I've seen this same

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system used in other school building committees.

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Yeah, I, I, I, I, I agree.

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I think that's an interesting question to be honest

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with you from a strictly legal point of view.

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But I think I'm gonna take our chances

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and do it and see what happens.

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Okay, so the only technical question I would have,

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and maybe it's me, but if I press

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and get that up on the screen, then I lose the zoom

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screen on my screen.

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Is that just me or is everybody challenging with this?

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I guess what I'm saying is how do I get

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that link on a different device?

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You can copy and paste.

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It would probably be the easiest way it, are you able

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to grab the QR code so that someone

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with a phone could scan it? Anissa? Yeah.

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Gimme one second. I think I have to get out of this.

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All right, because I Let, let me stop sharing

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for a second and then I'll pop it back

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up. Just gimme one sec.

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Thanks. What we were trying

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to do is avoid opening this up

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to everyone from the community viewing to also weigh in.

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We wanted to solicit the opinions of the panelists,

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Right.

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Let me see if I can drop that in the chat.

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Okay. I sent the QR code.

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You might have to download it to, to view it

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Should just, I'll work.

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It was just me. I'll work something out here.

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And this, I'm trying to keep an eye on the meeting

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and also the screen and also the questions.

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So, all right, so let's, let's move forward.

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Okay. Sorry, let me start this again

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and I will share my screen.

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Gimme one sec.

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Can everyone see the ranking there?

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Yes. Okay.

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Yes. Yep.

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I,

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We, what are we doing?

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So has everybody had a chance to enter their rankings

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or does anybody need a Another minute?

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You need another minute? Feel free

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to raise your hand in the zoom.

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All right, so why don't we move on to the next one, Anissa.

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Okay.

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Where do we put the rankings?

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So if you go to the chat, there's a link you can click

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and it will give you the opportunity to rank the items

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that are on the screen in terms of the criteria

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that we are selecting to evaluate the options

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that come in at the end of this phase, it's to

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evaluate the options on the sites.

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They are not to compare between the various sites.

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Okay. So I'm going to move on to the next one.

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Let me see. And

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so this one should use the same link

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and you should be able to

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type in any criteria that you think is missing.

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And it's, it's live.

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So as you do it, it should pop up on the screen.

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So in the interest of time, if you've finished typing,

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anything that you'd like to add,

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if you could just put your hand up, that way we know

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that we're not cutting anybody short.

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I know this is getting confusing,

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but I'd rather use real hands for responding to them

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because virtual hands I think you wanna speak.

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Okay. So if you wanna speak, leave your virtual hand up.

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Otherwise let's just use real hands.

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But yes, I know it's a pain, but it's just a way to,

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And, and I do wanna say we are saving this

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and we can distribute it to everybody afterwards as well.

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'cause I don't, we're kind of moving a little quickly here,

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but I just wanted to let you

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know that we can share it after.

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Okay. Why don't we move, move on

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unless someone objects to the next. So

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We'll, we'll summarize this

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and we'll report back on all of it

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for discussion at the next meeting.

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Okay, Thank you. I appreciate it.

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All right, let me, if I do

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this, we are back.

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Can everyone see the presentation again?

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Should be sharing that.

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We can go on to

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the tappe presentation.

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Okay, so ready? So that's it for that

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and we're ready for the next agenda item.

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Yep. Okay. Okay, go ahead.

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Are you ready Mr. Chair?

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Yes I am. Go ahead Chris. Okay,

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Great.

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All right. So we're gonna run through the options here

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that we've started with and these are preliminary

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and sort of beginning to put rails around the strategies

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that we had presented earlier

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to remind you a little bit here are the Framingham site

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constraints, sorry, him

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and way site constraints

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of the existing building and site.

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And so there's really two major access points.

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Those are the red arrows on the

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front, the building in yellow.

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And then the big solid black line is the buildable area.

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Inside of that is what is the buildable area.

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And then you can start to decipher some of the setbacks

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with the different dotted lines and dash lines

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and things like that along with flood zones

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and steep slopes.

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And so not, not the easiest site to deal with.

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You can go to the next slide. And so we talked

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to you about the strategies in each of these options so far.

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You're gonna see on the right upper right hand corner is the

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strategy that the option's related to.

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And so this one was the option

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or strategy where we had an addition

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up in the top left corner.

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Another reminder is that there's

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essentially three building separation,

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separation lines in the building.

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And so it's not super important for right now,

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but that's where we kind of broke the building

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apart in different ways.

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So this option is a three story renovation edition

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option at the Hemingway.

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It's called AR one.

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It has a major addition in the back of the building,

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which is about a two story spot,

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but it's big spaces like the gym

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and the, yeah, mostly the gym.

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And then the three story addition on the front,

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there's a portion of this building.

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You can see on the right hand sort of right middle,

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there's a key and then there's a floor plan.

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These, you know, what we hope you will do is take these

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after the meeting, they were in your packet too,

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and you can start to evaluate and,

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and review those a little bit more in depth.

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But these are at PDP level, really supposed to be sort

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of at a glance at this at this point.

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We'll get more detail as we get going further.

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But this one has that little arm

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that sticks out over the parking lot.

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This manages to keep drop off and pickup and circulation

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because it's tight already.

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And then create more space above that.

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And so that's AR one three story edition renovation.

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You can go to the next slide. So

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AR two is a two story addition renovation.

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Again, similar strategy with the addition in the back,

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which adds space for gym and cafeteria.

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And then as you can see in the top right hand corner,

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the blue area that says addition, that's the part

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of the building that we would take down and rebuild.

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And so that allows us to get a two story building

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because we're getting more space to build new and,

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and actually make right sized

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and right program for the building.

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And so the big differentiator between AR one

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and AR two at this point would be the two story addition

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renovation option.

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And that's what you see. See here,

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no big arm cantilevering out over the site.

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And so yeah, so this is a two story addition renovation

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with addition in the back and the front, right?

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And go to the next slide. And

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so AR three was looking at taking,

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basically replacing the entire front part of the building,

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maintaining some of the courtyard that's there now,

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but building a three story option, a three story portion

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of the building that's in this plan on the top.

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And then a smaller portion on the

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lower portion on the lower bit of the plan in the plan view.

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And another sort of, all these have a similar strategy

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where we're trying to put big space at the back end

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of the building, which is the, you know,

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in this instance it's an expanded cafeteria.

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And then the reason for the three story addition is

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'cause part of it is a two story gym.

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So, so another option here, this would have a similar appeal

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or similar look as the existing school, just a bit taller.

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You can go to AR four.

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And then AR four is looking at an option

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that replaces the entire back part of the building.

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So that right now houses the gym and music

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and some portable buildings.

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And so what we're doing here is trying

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to academically rebuild all the classroom space,

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three story addition on the back and then create

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and renovate all the space on the front side of the building

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and create a new gym.

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One comment that was just made in your criteria evaluations

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from one of the members was about phasing in logistics and,

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and planning for especially the Hemingway options,

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which is going to require us to find alternative space

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or put modulars on the site.

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And so that's the next layer of information.

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We're gonna start putting on all of these so

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that you can understand that impact.

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But right now we're just looking at initial strategies

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and options that come from strategies.

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And so you can look at the next slide please.

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And so now we're going to pivot into a few new options

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on the Hemingway site.

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This is part of what the MSBA requires us to do.

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We have to show that we looked at completely

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new builds on the same site.

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And so that means just tearing the whole thing down.

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And so we've got a couple of ideas here on strategy.

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The one here, this first one is a more

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typical school that you would find in more kind

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00:27:13,105 --> 00:27:17,945
of rural context or or semi-rural suburban communities.

516
00:27:18,785 --> 00:27:20,085
And it's got the wings

517
00:27:20,085 --> 00:27:23,045
and the differentiated learning communities,

518
00:27:23,705 --> 00:27:24,885
but it's only two stories.

519
00:27:25,065 --> 00:27:29,405
And so that allows us to get space on windows on all sides.

520
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:31,525
It's solar oriented.

521
00:27:31,585 --> 00:27:34,485
So if you actually rotate this around for, for North,

522
00:27:34,535 --> 00:27:37,885
we're able to re position the long axes of the building

523
00:27:37,885 --> 00:27:41,845
where there's students all day long so that they have a good

524
00:27:42,405 --> 00:27:43,925
southern and northern exposure instead

525
00:27:43,925 --> 00:27:44,965
of the east west side.

526
00:27:45,865 --> 00:27:48,725
And so that's beneficial to the sustainability side,

527
00:27:49,415 --> 00:27:50,645
which is you'd have

528
00:27:50,645 --> 00:27:53,045
to do other things on the other options we've shown so far.

529
00:27:53,625 --> 00:27:55,845
So we've got, we're looking at here two story option

530
00:27:55,845 --> 00:27:57,965
as a new new building on the site.

531
00:27:59,155 --> 00:28:01,485
There's gonna be other layers of circulation

532
00:28:01,505 --> 00:28:04,165
and things like that coming with all of these sites as well

533
00:28:04,165 --> 00:28:06,325
where we'll start talking about bus loops and cars

534
00:28:06,465 --> 00:28:09,685
and pedestrians and drop offs and stuff like that.

535
00:28:10,065 --> 00:28:12,285
But for now it's just these initial test fits.

536
00:28:13,205 --> 00:28:16,185
You can go to the next slide. And

537
00:28:16,185 --> 00:28:17,625
so we looked at another version of that,

538
00:28:17,625 --> 00:28:19,825
which is a three story building, which allows us

539
00:28:19,825 --> 00:28:21,105
to pull back from the street.

540
00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:24,345
You can see that strategy is basically taking the one wing

541
00:28:24,365 --> 00:28:26,065
and stacking it on top of the other,

542
00:28:27,285 --> 00:28:29,545
but a similar back backside footprint.

543
00:28:30,085 --> 00:28:32,265
But this allows us to get a little bit more off the street,

544
00:28:32,265 --> 00:28:34,745
which is gonna be a little bit more pages for the amount

545
00:28:34,745 --> 00:28:38,665
of students on the site and how we can do circulation.

546
00:28:39,215 --> 00:28:40,625
Hang on, my lights just went off.

547
00:28:44,675 --> 00:28:46,825
Sorry about that. And it allows us

548
00:28:46,825 --> 00:28:48,665
to get a little bit more circulation on the site,

549
00:28:48,665 --> 00:28:50,905
which again, we'll start diagramming for the next pass.

550
00:28:52,885 --> 00:28:54,065
Yep, you can go to the next slide.

551
00:28:55,915 --> 00:29:00,855
And then the sort of final Hemingway option, new option

552
00:29:00,855 --> 00:29:03,055
that we looked at is a more urban type school

553
00:29:03,055 --> 00:29:05,495
where it's just a big block, like kind

554
00:29:05,495 --> 00:29:07,695
of a big solid block in the middle of the site.

555
00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:11,535
This allows us to get very dense on the programming and,

556
00:29:13,075 --> 00:29:16,855
and start to really pack things into a floor plate

557
00:29:16,855 --> 00:29:21,735
that isn't long or wing driven, but it's more central

558
00:29:22,075 --> 00:29:25,215
and sort of neighborhood driven on the floor plate itself.

559
00:29:25,395 --> 00:29:29,255
And so we'll talk more about that in future presentations.

560
00:29:29,315 --> 00:29:33,455
But Kristin Vertex actually really wanted us to study

561
00:29:34,155 --> 00:29:37,415
the urban school option on this site just to see what,

562
00:29:38,235 --> 00:29:40,455
how the committee feels about that as a new option.

563
00:29:40,475 --> 00:29:43,245
And so I agree and we should be showing this

564
00:29:43,245 --> 00:29:46,745
and hopefully we can get some traction on on

565
00:29:47,695 --> 00:29:50,545
that being what it needs to be for 900.

566
00:29:50,885 --> 00:29:53,465
And again, remember there's 985 students in all

567
00:29:53,465 --> 00:29:55,425
of these options K through 12

568
00:29:55,525 --> 00:29:58,665
or K through five, sorry, you can go to the next option.

569
00:29:58,695 --> 00:30:02,495
Next slide. All right, so shifting

570
00:30:02,675 --> 00:30:06,015
to the Bethany Road site, we wanted to kind

571
00:30:06,015 --> 00:30:08,375
of highlight some of the site constraints here.

572
00:30:09,235 --> 00:30:11,465
Again, I think we've shown a slide like this before,

573
00:30:12,205 --> 00:30:15,145
but the buildable area again is inside that sort

574
00:30:15,145 --> 00:30:16,225
of solid dash line.

575
00:30:16,885 --> 00:30:20,265
And then we have some steeper slopes in the sort of

576
00:30:20,965 --> 00:30:23,985
salmon color and the,

577
00:30:25,365 --> 00:30:27,625
the mid grade slopes are in purple.

578
00:30:28,005 --> 00:30:32,625
And then the sort of flat areas are in the green lime color.

579
00:30:33,245 --> 00:30:35,065
And so the middle of the site, right

580
00:30:35,065 --> 00:30:38,145
where it says buildable areas, actually the low part

581
00:30:38,145 --> 00:30:41,425
of the sites we're kind of in a valley like a,

582
00:30:41,455 --> 00:30:46,145
like a U-shape, almost like a glacial push valley here

583
00:30:46,765 --> 00:30:47,905
of, of land.

584
00:30:48,045 --> 00:30:50,905
And that's where the best usable site is

585
00:30:51,045 --> 00:30:52,225
and it's the most accessible

586
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:54,265
and it's actually the, the elevation

587
00:30:54,265 --> 00:30:57,225
that the site main site road enters in right now.

588
00:30:57,925 --> 00:30:59,785
And so we just kind of wanted to bring that attention,

589
00:31:00,205 --> 00:31:02,065
the dashed lines on the right

590
00:31:02,085 --> 00:31:05,505
and the dashed line on the left are sort of the ridge lines

591
00:31:05,565 --> 00:31:09,665
of the two sort of top parts of the, of the hills.

592
00:31:09,925 --> 00:31:12,025
And so we have that going through,

593
00:31:12,025 --> 00:31:13,105
we have that valley in the middle.

594
00:31:13,165 --> 00:31:16,065
So that's, that'll orient you on how these

595
00:31:16,695 --> 00:31:18,305
next few options shake up.

596
00:31:18,305 --> 00:31:19,265
So you can go to the next slide.

597
00:31:23,355 --> 00:31:26,285
Okay, so we have here a two story option

598
00:31:27,225 --> 00:31:29,805
on this site, which is a two story and,

599
00:31:30,065 --> 00:31:33,285
and actually three story to the left could be both

600
00:31:34,445 --> 00:31:36,105
in some degree.

601
00:31:36,245 --> 00:31:40,905
And so we're trying to show that here

602
00:31:40,995 --> 00:31:42,385
where we can, this is similar

603
00:31:42,405 --> 00:31:46,025
to our interview site scheme too, where we have this,

604
00:31:47,135 --> 00:31:49,305
this floor plate that you enter into on the first floor,

605
00:31:49,305 --> 00:31:50,625
the second floor stacks above that.

606
00:31:50,625 --> 00:31:54,345
And then the third floor has the last grade of classrooms

607
00:31:54,405 --> 00:31:55,825
and then the mid, the middle

608
00:31:55,965 --> 00:31:58,425
of the building actually has all the core elements like gym

609
00:31:58,425 --> 00:31:59,745
and media and all of that stuff.

610
00:31:59,805 --> 00:32:04,665
And so, so this one would sit down at the, in the,

611
00:32:04,665 --> 00:32:05,705
in the bottom of the valley

612
00:32:06,405 --> 00:32:08,745
and then kind of nestle itself up against the hill

613
00:32:08,745 --> 00:32:11,585
where we can do some transition and landscape and drop off

614
00:32:11,605 --> 00:32:14,585
and maybe even make the second floor an entry

615
00:32:14,585 --> 00:32:15,705
on that on that side.

616
00:32:15,725 --> 00:32:19,025
But we still need to study how all that works,

617
00:32:19,035 --> 00:32:20,345
which we're doing right now.

618
00:32:22,375 --> 00:32:27,045
You can go to the next slide. And another sort of option

619
00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:30,245
and shape for the building is the, this is kind of the,

620
00:32:31,085 --> 00:32:33,105
I don't know, you wanna call that a hockey stick

621
00:32:33,125 --> 00:32:35,465
or whatever you wanna say it for the, for the shape.

622
00:32:35,725 --> 00:32:39,485
But this, this one gets us to a little bit more

623
00:32:39,485 --> 00:32:43,885
of a concentric core where the, the, the core

624
00:32:44,415 --> 00:32:46,445
spots come more public.

625
00:32:46,585 --> 00:32:47,965
So you can see those elements.

626
00:32:47,965 --> 00:32:49,565
They're sort of in the first floor plan.

627
00:32:49,705 --> 00:32:51,925
The gym and the media

628
00:32:52,065 --> 00:32:54,445
and the cafeteria service are all on the left hand side,

629
00:32:54,445 --> 00:32:55,525
but those are front facing.

630
00:32:55,665 --> 00:32:58,765
And so if you have community events, folks don't have to go

631
00:32:58,765 --> 00:33:01,045
through the building, which the other option would've had

632
00:33:01,045 --> 00:33:04,085
people go through the building to the, the more back part

633
00:33:04,085 --> 00:33:05,605
of the site or the building.

634
00:33:05,745 --> 00:33:07,845
And then, so this one kind of flips that

635
00:33:08,265 --> 00:33:09,925
and it gives us the ability to wrap.

636
00:33:10,045 --> 00:33:12,725
I don't know that it'll take this final form at the end

637
00:33:12,725 --> 00:33:14,965
of the day, but the idea is that it kind of wraps around

638
00:33:14,965 --> 00:33:19,405
that hill in some form or shape and puts the public spots

639
00:33:19,545 --> 00:33:22,445
or the, the big program spots that can be used after hours

640
00:33:22,465 --> 00:33:25,485
and for public use more towards the front of the building

641
00:33:25,485 --> 00:33:28,085
and then you can really get a sectioning off of the building

642
00:33:28,145 --> 00:33:31,565
and keep them compartmentalized for evening use.

643
00:33:32,225 --> 00:33:33,165
And go to the next slide.

644
00:33:39,315 --> 00:33:43,015
And then we did this, this, this option, which is

645
00:33:43,245 --> 00:33:45,215
what we're calling the dual school option.

646
00:33:45,275 --> 00:33:48,885
So this is, we'll talk more about this

647
00:33:48,945 --> 00:33:52,685
as we go further into the pro the the process here.

648
00:33:52,745 --> 00:33:56,845
But this, this option is looking at what if it became viable

649
00:33:56,905 --> 00:33:59,525
or feasible for us to do

650
00:34:00,425 --> 00:34:02,005
the dual school exactly what it says.

651
00:34:02,065 --> 00:34:05,205
And that's that we put, we just renovate Hemingway,

652
00:34:06,025 --> 00:34:10,165
we prove out that the building is okay for school

653
00:34:11,025 --> 00:34:13,925
now and it needs to be renovated for sure,

654
00:34:14,745 --> 00:34:18,725
but for a school of about 493 students it works

655
00:34:19,105 --> 00:34:23,845
and we can make that doable on site with pre-K.

656
00:34:24,185 --> 00:34:27,735
And then on Bethany Road we have a school

657
00:34:27,735 --> 00:34:31,295
of about an equal amount of students with pre-K

658
00:34:32,275 --> 00:34:33,975
out there on that site.

659
00:34:33,975 --> 00:34:36,895
And so you're splitting the required population from the

660
00:34:37,015 --> 00:34:38,815
MSBA into basically two schools.

661
00:34:39,035 --> 00:34:42,775
One gets a pretty decent renovation to it with systems

662
00:34:42,835 --> 00:34:44,375
and everything that needs to be upgraded.

663
00:34:44,835 --> 00:34:46,055
And the other is a new building.

664
00:34:47,115 --> 00:34:50,935
And the idea here is that if we run into the need

665
00:34:50,935 --> 00:34:52,895
to have schools in both locations

666
00:34:53,155 --> 00:34:56,375
or we find out that a 985 student,

667
00:34:56,385 --> 00:35:00,055
which will be the largest elementary school in Framingham at

668
00:35:00,055 --> 00:35:03,455
this point, if that becomes unwieldy

669
00:35:03,475 --> 00:35:05,455
or anything like that, this is an option

670
00:35:05,455 --> 00:35:07,695
that we would definitely have to get more in depth

671
00:35:07,695 --> 00:35:11,655
with the MSBA on in terms of their acceptance of it

672
00:35:11,715 --> 00:35:15,375
or even us being able to continue to pitch it to them.

673
00:35:16,115 --> 00:35:18,495
But for the sake of turning over stones

674
00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:20,855
and making sure we looked at all of the things available

675
00:35:20,875 --> 00:35:23,975
to us, we started to study this one as well.

676
00:35:24,115 --> 00:35:27,365
And so, and then can go to the next slide

677
00:35:30,885 --> 00:35:34,225
and then the renovation only

678
00:35:35,015 --> 00:35:37,525
here is the option that

679
00:35:38,555 --> 00:35:40,845
that MSBA also requires us to do.

680
00:35:42,425 --> 00:35:45,325
That's not this one, but this is the, the D one.

681
00:35:45,325 --> 00:35:46,605
So this is the rental option,

682
00:35:46,705 --> 00:35:48,765
the school part of the dual school option.

683
00:35:48,825 --> 00:35:50,325
So it doesn't,

684
00:35:50,825 --> 00:35:53,645
the renovation only option looks just like this actually.

685
00:35:53,745 --> 00:35:55,765
So it doesn't do much to the,

686
00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:58,725
to school's population doesn't expand, it doesn't grow.

687
00:36:00,185 --> 00:36:03,165
The nature of building the second school allows some pre-K

688
00:36:03,165 --> 00:36:04,805
to come into the building because you're

689
00:36:04,805 --> 00:36:06,885
generating capacity shift.

690
00:36:06,945 --> 00:36:10,205
And so that's why we can put pre-K in it as a,

691
00:36:10,425 --> 00:36:11,485
as a dual school option,

692
00:36:11,485 --> 00:36:16,085
but as a renovation only, we would be hard pressed to get

693
00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:17,925
much else into the building.

694
00:36:17,985 --> 00:36:22,755
So you can go to the next slide. And then the floor plan

695
00:36:22,895 --> 00:36:27,715
for the new smaller school again is able to get all of the

696
00:36:28,605 --> 00:36:31,115
large programs up to the front of the building

697
00:36:31,375 --> 00:36:34,315
and you'll see these common threads where we're trying

698
00:36:34,315 --> 00:36:38,515
to get the learning communities by grade differentiated

699
00:36:38,775 --> 00:36:40,635
and programmed out so

700
00:36:40,635 --> 00:36:43,195
that we can get the learning communities sorted that way.

701
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,955
And so this is where that option is right now,

702
00:36:47,355 --> 00:36:50,995
looking at the two dual school plans themselves,

703
00:36:51,335 --> 00:36:52,355
you can go the next slide.

704
00:36:55,975 --> 00:36:58,355
And so those, that's the quick run through of options.

705
00:36:58,365 --> 00:37:01,435
Again, you should have these in your, in your packet

706
00:37:01,535 --> 00:37:04,195
and be able to sort of sit with them a little bit more and,

707
00:37:04,335 --> 00:37:07,155
and analyze and kind of think through them.

708
00:37:08,175 --> 00:37:10,035
The, I think the goal for tonight,

709
00:37:10,255 --> 00:37:12,195
and I'll hand it over to the chair

710
00:37:12,395 --> 00:37:16,315
after I say this, is to for you guys to,

711
00:37:16,895 --> 00:37:19,795
if you have questions about thought process behind any

712
00:37:19,795 --> 00:37:21,555
of these and more specifically

713
00:37:23,025 --> 00:37:25,565
and more urgently to the processes,

714
00:37:25,565 --> 00:37:28,285
we wanna know if there's any major options that need

715
00:37:28,305 --> 00:37:29,445
to be added to this

716
00:37:29,445 --> 00:37:31,445
that someone is thinking about we didn't

717
00:37:31,445 --> 00:37:32,525
already investigate.

718
00:37:34,225 --> 00:37:37,325
And that's, that's really what we need to kind of get

719
00:37:37,345 --> 00:37:39,485
to understanding is if we've kind

720
00:37:39,485 --> 00:37:41,725
of captured all the option ideas,

721
00:37:42,275 --> 00:37:43,725
even though they could evolve

722
00:37:43,745 --> 00:37:46,965
and permeate along the way changes.

723
00:37:47,145 --> 00:37:48,685
If you have anything to say about those,

724
00:37:49,225 --> 00:37:50,685
we can take them now too.

725
00:37:51,505 --> 00:37:53,725
But really we're kind of looking for did we kind

726
00:37:53,725 --> 00:37:55,525
of capture the breadth of options available

727
00:37:55,625 --> 00:37:57,045
and then we can start to hone in

728
00:37:57,045 --> 00:38:01,045
and use the selection criteria to kind of make some go away

729
00:38:01,145 --> 00:38:03,365
or continue studying other aspects.

730
00:38:03,425 --> 00:38:06,485
So Mr. Chair, I'll let you take the book.

731
00:38:06,835 --> 00:38:09,645
Okay, thank you. So who has questions that they would like

732
00:38:09,645 --> 00:38:12,615
to or comments to follow up on

733
00:38:14,665 --> 00:38:15,665
Mr.

734
00:38:15,665 --> 00:38:16,605
Chair? I do if I could. Thank you.

735
00:38:18,305 --> 00:38:21,005
So just some feedback for Chris.

736
00:38:21,245 --> 00:38:25,645
I know we have another presentation of these, excuse me,

737
00:38:25,665 --> 00:38:27,485
of these options in two weeks

738
00:38:28,465 --> 00:38:31,125
and you had mentioned a couple times us taking some time

739
00:38:31,225 --> 00:38:34,965
to sort of sit with these, thinking about that.

740
00:38:35,185 --> 00:38:37,745
I think there's a couple challenges with the way

741
00:38:38,455 --> 00:38:39,785
this is presented now.

742
00:38:41,085 --> 00:38:44,425
One is these little floor thumbnails

743
00:38:45,165 --> 00:38:46,625
are totally unreadable

744
00:38:47,805 --> 00:38:52,265
and so I don't know if there's, if it's possible to get sort

745
00:38:52,265 --> 00:38:54,185
of larger visualizations of

746
00:38:54,185 --> 00:38:56,665
what the floor plates would look like for,

747
00:38:56,725 --> 00:38:57,745
for each of these options.

748
00:38:58,285 --> 00:38:59,785
I'm guessing they started out big

749
00:39:00,125 --> 00:39:02,425
and we shrunk 'em down to fit 'em on a slide.

750
00:39:03,725 --> 00:39:04,985
And then the other thing

751
00:39:04,985 --> 00:39:07,825
that I'm thinking is gonna be a challenge as we start

752
00:39:07,825 --> 00:39:08,945
to assess these options,

753
00:39:08,965 --> 00:39:12,345
and you alluded it, you alluded to this on a couple of them,

754
00:39:12,605 --> 00:39:16,145
is what does the rest of the site look like?

755
00:39:16,345 --> 00:39:17,865
I know we're still early stage,

756
00:39:17,925 --> 00:39:21,525
but you mentioned like what part is at the front

757
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:23,805
of the school, what part is at the back of the school,

758
00:39:24,315 --> 00:39:25,885
what does circulation look like?

759
00:39:26,025 --> 00:39:27,085
Do we have enough parking?

760
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,205
You know, is there room for parking and bus loops

761
00:39:30,205 --> 00:39:31,205
and all that stuff.

762
00:39:32,865 --> 00:39:36,225
I'm not suggesting that we go deeper than we need

763
00:39:36,225 --> 00:39:37,505
to from a design perspective,

764
00:39:37,645 --> 00:39:41,265
but I'm finding it challenging to assess

765
00:39:42,445 --> 00:39:45,235
these based upon what I'm seeing so far.

766
00:39:49,755 --> 00:39:52,085
Yeah, thank you. I think I was trying

767
00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:55,645
to mention earlier these, these first passes aren't meant to

768
00:39:56,345 --> 00:39:58,765
get into the weeds of in depth of assessment.

769
00:40:00,105 --> 00:40:02,365
We were hoping to present these as a first pass

770
00:40:02,465 --> 00:40:04,805
to say this is the lay of the land is sort

771
00:40:04,805 --> 00:40:06,765
of like you're looking at them at 30,000 feet.

772
00:40:07,345 --> 00:40:09,765
And then we can start to layer in more details of like,

773
00:40:09,765 --> 00:40:11,005
okay, now I understand,

774
00:40:12,235 --> 00:40:14,655
you know the the general shape and the strategy.

775
00:40:15,035 --> 00:40:17,215
Now I can layer in the traffic response

776
00:40:17,235 --> 00:40:20,975
and we can get into more details about the plans

777
00:40:22,115 --> 00:40:24,735
at this phase you're not really taking one off the,

778
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:29,575
like you're not taking plans off the table

779
00:40:30,475 --> 00:40:35,205
because of program or plan layout necessarily

780
00:40:35,205 --> 00:40:37,485
because like they're all totally shiftable.

781
00:40:37,555 --> 00:40:41,285
It's really just like how we're trying to fit these on site

782
00:40:41,385 --> 00:40:42,445
and that kind of thing.

783
00:40:42,465 --> 00:40:44,165
But point noted

784
00:40:44,165 --> 00:40:46,045
and we'll try to get you some larger plans

785
00:40:46,045 --> 00:40:47,725
to look at in more detail as we go forward.

786
00:40:48,985 --> 00:40:51,835
Sure, yeah, Right. Thank you.

787
00:40:53,035 --> 00:40:55,075
I had a couple of thoughts or comments.

788
00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:59,395
One was that it's kind of difficult, difficult to

789
00:41:00,305 --> 00:41:02,635
know if we need any more options

790
00:41:02,735 --> 00:41:04,835
or if what we have is sufficient in that.

791
00:41:05,675 --> 00:41:07,315
I think there is a little bit of a disconnect

792
00:41:07,315 --> 00:41:11,155
between the overall footprint diagram on the left

793
00:41:11,215 --> 00:41:13,955
and then some of the articulated floor plans

794
00:41:14,545 --> 00:41:15,955
that you're showing on the right.

795
00:41:16,945 --> 00:41:18,075
It's hard to make that jump

796
00:41:18,075 --> 00:41:20,195
between scales if you know what I mean.

797
00:41:20,415 --> 00:41:22,595
And I think it might help if you did

798
00:41:23,235 --> 00:41:24,515
a drawing in between that.

799
00:41:24,705 --> 00:41:29,035
Just explain big picture why some of the large scale moves

800
00:41:29,735 --> 00:41:32,785
that you're trying to express in the floor plans

801
00:41:32,785 --> 00:41:35,285
because it's kind of hard to follow, you know,

802
00:41:35,305 --> 00:41:37,085
as Scott said, where the entrance is,

803
00:41:37,185 --> 00:41:38,365
how you might circulate

804
00:41:39,025 --> 00:41:41,005
and weigh that against the floor plans.

805
00:41:41,005 --> 00:41:45,605
Because for example, if you go to maybe option,

806
00:41:45,895 --> 00:41:49,645
let's say NC one, there's just

807
00:41:49,645 --> 00:41:51,645
so much articulation in the design

808
00:41:51,845 --> 00:41:54,365
that it almost feels like it's already designed

809
00:41:59,425 --> 00:42:01,565
rather than it feeling a little bit more like a diagram.

810
00:42:02,705 --> 00:42:03,705
Does that make sense?

811
00:42:05,595 --> 00:42:07,045
Yeah, sure. Yeah.

812
00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:10,765
I mean we're baking ideas into these like how, how to, yeah,

813
00:42:11,205 --> 00:42:14,375
I think, so the layer

814
00:42:14,375 --> 00:42:17,295
that's not in depth here is that we

815
00:42:18,255 --> 00:42:20,835
are putting into these, like we're already trying to

816
00:42:22,115 --> 00:42:26,455
engulf like, I don't know, ingest things

817
00:42:26,455 --> 00:42:28,215
that were talked about in the ED program

818
00:42:28,315 --> 00:42:29,935
and ed envisioning sessions.

819
00:42:29,935 --> 00:42:31,815
And so that's a whole layer of information that

820
00:42:33,125 --> 00:42:35,095
this committee has reviewed and looked at.

821
00:42:35,115 --> 00:42:36,695
And so we're, we're putting those in,

822
00:42:36,715 --> 00:42:38,895
but it would be for us to go

823
00:42:38,895 --> 00:42:40,855
and diagram every single one of these.

824
00:42:40,855 --> 00:42:45,745
Like we would be, we would be like, it would be hours

825
00:42:47,445 --> 00:42:50,745
and to kind of talk through that again floor plan basis.

826
00:42:50,925 --> 00:42:55,225
And so we can definitely layer in

827
00:42:55,225 --> 00:42:56,665
and talk through a little bit more of it.

828
00:42:56,685 --> 00:43:00,105
But it's, I mean the big, the big move is you're trying

829
00:43:00,105 --> 00:43:04,715
to get a 985 student school to feel smaller

830
00:43:04,855 --> 00:43:06,275
by doing schools within schools

831
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:09,035
and community like neighborhood clusters.

832
00:43:09,255 --> 00:43:12,685
And so that's, that's why you'll see these divisions,

833
00:43:12,685 --> 00:43:14,565
like particularly in this plan, there's a cluster

834
00:43:14,625 --> 00:43:15,765
and then it bends a little bit

835
00:43:15,765 --> 00:43:17,725
and then there's another cluster and then there's a core

836
00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:18,805
and then there's another cluster.

837
00:43:18,905 --> 00:43:21,725
And so that's kind of the strategy of like how do you do

838
00:43:21,725 --> 00:43:23,325
that on a site

839
00:43:24,985 --> 00:43:29,285
And, but I guess I, the only thing that we have a list of

840
00:43:29,895 --> 00:43:31,325
evaluation criteria,

841
00:43:32,425 --> 00:43:34,645
but then it's kind of difficult to see

842
00:43:34,995 --> 00:43:38,955
that criteria being met in the plans. So just

843
00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,915
So like I said before, yeah, would be helpful.

844
00:43:41,915 --> 00:43:44,195
Like I said before, these are the first pass, right?

845
00:43:44,325 --> 00:43:48,315
We're trying to show you at a glance, first pass like, like

846
00:43:50,635 --> 00:43:54,095
the first attempt to show detail on an option is not at

847
00:43:54,095 --> 00:43:56,295
quarter inch scale zoomed in so far

848
00:43:56,295 --> 00:43:58,055
that you can't understand how it goes.

849
00:43:58,755 --> 00:44:00,535
And so what we're trying to say is, okay, I,

850
00:44:00,655 --> 00:44:03,175
I can understand the part TI just wanna know more like

851
00:44:03,175 --> 00:44:05,375
you're saying you're, you're curious about the next level.

852
00:44:05,435 --> 00:44:08,375
So the next time you see these we zoom in a little bit

853
00:44:08,375 --> 00:44:13,135
further and we start to diagram out different things related

854
00:44:13,235 --> 00:44:14,575
to the floor plan layout

855
00:44:14,755 --> 00:44:18,895
or the, you know, the school how we want it to, you know,

856
00:44:19,135 --> 00:44:20,335
teaching and learning and things like that.

857
00:44:21,435 --> 00:44:22,575
And so the idea

858
00:44:22,805 --> 00:44:26,695
with this first pass is generally speaking at PDP,

859
00:44:27,185 --> 00:44:32,085
we're doing a very high level lay of the land sort of thing.

860
00:44:32,115 --> 00:44:33,525
This is how it's oriented.

861
00:44:33,525 --> 00:44:35,365
These like basic things like that,

862
00:44:35,365 --> 00:44:38,445
like this is south oriented, you know, it follows the path

863
00:44:38,445 --> 00:44:39,725
of the sun and things like that.

864
00:44:39,825 --> 00:44:43,915
And so yeah, so we'll,

865
00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:44,995
we'll continue to add more.

866
00:44:45,155 --> 00:44:46,395
I think you're asking for more detail.

867
00:44:46,395 --> 00:44:49,445
You want to know how the school I'm so I'm so,

868
00:44:50,015 --> 00:44:52,555
So do you have another question? She,

869
00:44:53,355 --> 00:44:54,875
I was just saying actually ask, asking

870
00:44:54,935 --> 00:44:56,995
for less detail if that makes sense.

871
00:44:57,675 --> 00:44:59,595
I think just like knowing what the big picture

872
00:45:00,705 --> 00:45:03,555
site strategies are would be helpful, that's all.

873
00:45:04,985 --> 00:45:07,355
Okay. Okay. Thank you Brittany.

874
00:45:11,265 --> 00:45:14,055
Thank you. I think

875
00:45:14,595 --> 00:45:18,895
my comment does touch on what Reya is mentioning.

876
00:45:19,955 --> 00:45:22,735
One thought I had is, is it possible to add

877
00:45:23,705 --> 00:45:28,175
maybe like a couple of bullet points on each slide

878
00:45:28,355 --> 00:45:30,535
for each of these like proposals

879
00:45:32,245 --> 00:45:33,775
just laying out like the pros

880
00:45:33,775 --> 00:45:36,775
and cons of each of these designs.

881
00:45:36,845 --> 00:45:38,655
Because what I heard,

882
00:45:38,815 --> 00:45:42,095
I heard like some really great voiceover as you were going

883
00:45:42,095 --> 00:45:45,985
through each slide, but pretty much lost it

884
00:45:45,985 --> 00:45:47,385
immediately, if that makes sense.

885
00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:51,105
So if there were a few bullet points on each slide just

886
00:45:51,105 --> 00:45:53,225
really highlighting why you think

887
00:45:54,035 --> 00:45:55,725
this is a good option versus a bad

888
00:45:55,725 --> 00:45:57,525
option, I think that would be helpful.

889
00:46:00,035 --> 00:46:04,615
We can do that for sure. Especially

890
00:46:04,615 --> 00:46:07,215
with the current Hemingway site as we were looking

891
00:46:07,215 --> 00:46:09,255
through options, parking was just something

892
00:46:09,255 --> 00:46:11,815
that kept coming up in my mind as we figure out how

893
00:46:11,815 --> 00:46:14,055
to provide parking for this many staff.

894
00:46:14,515 --> 00:46:16,735
Are we allowed to consider parking garages

895
00:46:16,795 --> 00:46:19,215
or structures that would expand parking access?

896
00:46:20,915 --> 00:46:22,895
You are, they're not funded by the MSPA

897
00:46:22,955 --> 00:46:24,695
so it'd be completely ineligible.

898
00:46:25,735 --> 00:46:30,555
Gotcha. The other question I had was given

899
00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:35,235
the different options, especially, what am I looking at?

900
00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:39,115
The one currently on our screen will do elevator shafts

901
00:46:39,115 --> 00:46:41,315
and the number of elevator booths that would be needed to

902
00:46:42,055 --> 00:46:43,345
have the space be accessible,

903
00:46:43,345 --> 00:46:45,025
especially considering the student

904
00:46:45,025 --> 00:46:46,465
population we're looking to serve.

905
00:46:48,325 --> 00:46:49,495
Yeah, I think we would plan

906
00:46:49,495 --> 00:46:51,495
for one elevator in a building like this.

907
00:46:52,695 --> 00:46:56,275
I wouldn't, I mean yeah

908
00:46:56,915 --> 00:46:58,155
I wouldn't put two in

909
00:46:58,155 --> 00:47:02,075
unless there was a specific like driver for that,

910
00:47:03,095 --> 00:47:05,775
but building the size we could definitely do one

911
00:47:08,485 --> 00:47:09,485
Other questions.

912
00:47:12,075 --> 00:47:14,605
Okay, so Chris, what, what, what's the next step

913
00:47:14,755 --> 00:47:16,445
with this in two weeks or what?

914
00:47:18,775 --> 00:47:21,735
Well the next schedule I think Chris, I dunno if that was

915
00:47:21,735 --> 00:47:23,015
for Eberly or blessing.

916
00:47:23,635 --> 00:47:24,655
No, that was first.

917
00:47:24,975 --> 00:47:26,775
I mean what your next step is to

918
00:47:26,775 --> 00:47:27,935
how you gonna move from here?

919
00:47:28,515 --> 00:47:31,605
So my next, next step in in tap a's next step designing

920
00:47:31,605 --> 00:47:33,365
wise is that we add all that detail

921
00:47:33,365 --> 00:47:35,645
that we just talked about that the building committee is

922
00:47:35,785 --> 00:47:38,285
asking for and less detail in the sense

923
00:47:38,285 --> 00:47:41,725
that we wanna show you the sort of key site drivers and,

924
00:47:41,865 --> 00:47:43,245
and how we're responding to that.

925
00:47:43,365 --> 00:47:47,565
I think. So we've noted those comments, we'll

926
00:47:48,205 --> 00:47:49,805
figure out a way to graphically show these

927
00:47:49,805 --> 00:47:54,615
and get you guys more into, you know,

928
00:47:54,805 --> 00:47:57,535
pros and cons and drivers and things like that on these.

929
00:47:59,625 --> 00:48:01,735
We'll start to layer in all the information on the site

930
00:48:01,795 --> 00:48:03,055
and the flow and the parking

931
00:48:03,115 --> 00:48:04,975
and all of those kinds of things that pros

932
00:48:04,975 --> 00:48:06,215
and cons like that's coming.

933
00:48:07,435 --> 00:48:10,855
The one thing that I think Everly is gonna talk

934
00:48:10,855 --> 00:48:12,215
to you about in a second is whether

935
00:48:12,215 --> 00:48:15,095
or not we need a meeting on June,

936
00:48:15,925 --> 00:48:18,895
June 15th I think is the proposed date, correct.

937
00:48:19,915 --> 00:48:23,975
And if, if not, then we can continue to develop these

938
00:48:24,755 --> 00:48:27,725
and go to June 29th

939
00:48:27,785 --> 00:48:31,725
and we'll start to get more pricing level numbers

940
00:48:31,865 --> 00:48:34,365
and stuff like that coming through the beginning of July.

941
00:48:36,025 --> 00:48:38,085
But the, the big question is,

942
00:48:40,765 --> 00:48:44,465
you know, if there's, if there's no options that seem like,

943
00:48:46,155 --> 00:48:48,135
you know, if we hadn't done the dual school option,

944
00:48:48,135 --> 00:48:49,735
someone might say on this committee,

945
00:48:49,835 --> 00:48:51,935
Hey I think there's a dual school option you haven't

946
00:48:51,935 --> 00:48:53,175
done, can you do that?

947
00:48:53,235 --> 00:48:55,375
And so right now we're sort of trying to shake

948
00:48:55,375 --> 00:48:59,215
that out like is there some permutation someone could say,

949
00:48:59,565 --> 00:49:01,975
have you looked at a five story school on him and waste?

950
00:49:02,175 --> 00:49:06,015
I like I don't, I, there's a lot of reasons why I

951
00:49:06,155 --> 00:49:07,535
or four story school I don't know.

952
00:49:07,535 --> 00:49:10,455
But like if someone has a very specific thing you've been

953
00:49:10,455 --> 00:49:13,985
thinking about that doesn't seem in some form

954
00:49:13,985 --> 00:49:16,025
or fashion covered by the options that we've

955
00:49:16,185 --> 00:49:17,465
provided, then I think we would want to know that

956
00:49:19,005 --> 00:49:21,145
and we can add that to the list

957
00:49:21,165 --> 00:49:23,225
and meet on the 15th to discuss it

958
00:49:23,365 --> 00:49:26,985
or we can just continue to put all this options to detail

959
00:49:28,295 --> 00:49:30,835
and explanation and try to help bring clarity.

960
00:49:31,455 --> 00:49:34,515
And that would be probably on the 29th.

961
00:49:35,295 --> 00:49:37,635
So I think that's Mr.

962
00:49:37,695 --> 00:49:41,175
Chair, that's for you and your committee to decide.

963
00:49:41,995 --> 00:49:43,805
Okay. So Chris Everly,

964
00:49:43,805 --> 00:49:45,205
do you wanna say anything about this?

965
00:49:45,675 --> 00:49:48,045
Yeah, so in discussion with the working group

966
00:49:48,145 --> 00:49:51,845
as Chris alluded to, one of the questions

967
00:49:51,845 --> 00:49:54,125
that came up is the level of detail

968
00:49:54,125 --> 00:49:55,485
that the committee would like to see

969
00:49:55,485 --> 00:49:57,205
and I think tonight's comments have been helpful

970
00:49:57,945 --> 00:50:00,605
in illustrating the level of detail that you're looking for.

971
00:50:01,065 --> 00:50:02,725
One of the questions that was raised in

972
00:50:02,725 --> 00:50:05,365
that discussion was whether it made sense to have a meeting

973
00:50:05,905 --> 00:50:08,645
on the 15th so that we had more opportunities

974
00:50:09,425 --> 00:50:13,365
to see development prior to getting to the final evaluation

975
00:50:13,785 --> 00:50:15,005
as the schedule sets up.

976
00:50:15,005 --> 00:50:19,085
Now if you take that bold meeting off of the list, the

977
00:50:19,705 --> 00:50:21,765
29th would be our next get together,

978
00:50:21,765 --> 00:50:23,405
which would have a month of development

979
00:50:23,425 --> 00:50:25,925
for TAP A headed into that meeting.

980
00:50:26,265 --> 00:50:29,325
During that time we would forward all options that we had.

981
00:50:29,385 --> 00:50:32,765
So that would be more of a reporting with minor changes

982
00:50:33,985 --> 00:50:35,645
on the 29th with

983
00:50:35,785 --> 00:50:37,245
and those minor changes would be

984
00:50:37,245 --> 00:50:38,365
forwarded to the estimators.

985
00:50:38,745 --> 00:50:41,925
The estimators costs are likely to come in around the ninth.

986
00:50:42,785 --> 00:50:47,205
And so around the time that we have the public forum,

987
00:50:47,265 --> 00:50:49,445
the public forum would report on the work

988
00:50:49,555 --> 00:50:51,965
that has been reviewed at this meeting

989
00:50:52,025 --> 00:50:53,885
and on the 29th with the development

990
00:50:54,425 --> 00:50:56,565
and then this committee would come back together on the

991
00:50:56,725 --> 00:51:00,045
13th of July where you would evaluate based on criteria

992
00:51:00,045 --> 00:51:02,445
that we all agree on the question

993
00:51:02,745 --> 00:51:05,085
or the open question, the committee that we wanted

994
00:51:05,085 --> 00:51:08,165
to raise tonight is based on what you've seen,

995
00:51:08,635 --> 00:51:11,845
does it make sense to add an additional meeting in the

996
00:51:11,845 --> 00:51:14,485
middle of June so that you would have more opportunity

997
00:51:14,665 --> 00:51:16,045
to comment on development

998
00:51:16,585 --> 00:51:18,565
and shape the direction that this goes.

999
00:51:22,105 --> 00:51:25,065
Okay. Scott, do you have another question or what?

1000
00:51:25,065 --> 00:51:26,105
What should hear that for though?

1001
00:51:29,815 --> 00:51:33,975
You're muted Scott. Thanks.

1002
00:51:34,135 --> 00:51:38,215
I do that at least once a day. Sorry Mr. Chair.

1003
00:51:38,395 --> 00:51:41,175
So I was actually going back to the question that I think

1004
00:51:45,415 --> 00:51:48,965
Chris from Tappe raised about, are there options that

1005
00:51:49,575 --> 00:51:50,925
we're not seeing here?

1006
00:51:52,175 --> 00:51:56,955
And this ties back to that dual dual school option.

1007
00:51:57,845 --> 00:52:00,555
We've talked about the importance

1008
00:52:00,555 --> 00:52:04,915
of keeping the Hemenway property as an active part

1009
00:52:04,915 --> 00:52:07,675
of the school district fabric,

1010
00:52:08,885 --> 00:52:13,025
but I don't know personally that splitting

1011
00:52:14,265 --> 00:52:15,685
the enrollment

1012
00:52:15,755 --> 00:52:19,085
between those two schools is really gonna bias us anything.

1013
00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:23,645
I mean the, the greater shortage is seats on the south side

1014
00:52:24,105 --> 00:52:26,805
so keeping half of them in the existing site

1015
00:52:28,035 --> 00:52:32,275
unless, sorry, keeping half of them in the existing site,

1016
00:52:32,435 --> 00:52:34,115
I don't think actually buys us anything.

1017
00:52:35,865 --> 00:52:36,995
What I would love to see,

1018
00:52:37,015 --> 00:52:38,955
and I don't know if it actually fits with

1019
00:52:39,495 --> 00:52:40,955
the MSBA ground rules

1020
00:52:41,015 --> 00:52:43,235
or something, I would love to see an option where

1021
00:52:45,535 --> 00:52:47,255
Hammond way stays as a pre-K

1022
00:52:48,425 --> 00:52:51,245
or as a pre-K K not as a pre-K five

1023
00:52:52,185 --> 00:52:56,885
and we actually continue with the idea

1024
00:52:56,885 --> 00:52:59,565
of shifting that population to the Bethany site.

1025
00:52:59,605 --> 00:53:00,645
I don't know if that makes sense.

1026
00:53:00,765 --> 00:53:02,725
I feel like I'm kind of rambling

1027
00:53:02,825 --> 00:53:05,565
but that's one option that I don't see here.

1028
00:53:06,655 --> 00:53:07,765
Again, I don't know if

1029
00:53:07,765 --> 00:53:10,325
that's a viable option from an MSVA perspective,

1030
00:53:10,465 --> 00:53:13,405
but we've talked about it multiple times.

1031
00:53:13,545 --> 00:53:15,845
The importance of keeping Hemingway in the picture.

1032
00:53:16,905 --> 00:53:19,155
Well I see a couple other hands up so I just,

1033
00:53:19,215 --> 00:53:21,875
but my first reaction to that Scott would be that's really,

1034
00:53:23,175 --> 00:53:25,325
you know, something that whether we are gonna have have a

1035
00:53:25,735 --> 00:53:27,325
pre-K site like that is really more

1036
00:53:27,325 --> 00:53:29,205
of a school committee decision than a

1037
00:53:29,545 --> 00:53:31,045
school building committee decision.

1038
00:53:31,265 --> 00:53:33,765
But anyways, just

1039
00:53:36,365 --> 00:53:38,525
I think I saw Adam's hand up before mine.

1040
00:53:38,555 --> 00:53:40,365
This is up still. I'm happy to

1041
00:53:40,995 --> 00:53:41,995
Next.

1042
00:53:41,995 --> 00:53:43,805
Go ahead. You got, you got recognized you only hand up.

1043
00:53:44,345 --> 00:53:45,885
So thanks Scott for bringing that point.

1044
00:53:45,885 --> 00:53:46,965
I think you make an important point.

1045
00:53:47,505 --> 00:53:49,725
My point was, I have two points.

1046
00:53:49,905 --> 00:53:52,245
One was just going back to the packet materials

1047
00:53:52,305 --> 00:53:53,845
of the the site.

1048
00:53:56,295 --> 00:53:59,955
So for example, we're not seeing on these plans

1049
00:54:00,335 --> 00:54:04,075
for the Bethany location, any of the similar

1050
00:54:05,955 --> 00:54:08,715
structure as we're seeing on the Hemingway site.

1051
00:54:08,715 --> 00:54:12,235
And that's based on the scale of the Bethany site.

1052
00:54:12,295 --> 00:54:16,515
Is that correct? So for example, we don't see option AR one

1053
00:54:17,155 --> 00:54:19,355
sketched out on the hem on the Bethany Pro

1054
00:54:19,355 --> 00:54:20,595
project for that purpose.

1055
00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:21,605
Right?

1056
00:54:22,705 --> 00:54:27,275
Well anything that's labeled AR is a specific building

1057
00:54:27,425 --> 00:54:30,115
that is tied to the keeping

1058
00:54:30,375 --> 00:54:32,475
of a like renovating that building, right?

1059
00:54:32,575 --> 00:54:37,115
So you wouldn't have anything in the AR categories would not

1060
00:54:37,205 --> 00:54:40,235
exist in that form or shape or anything on Bethany

1061
00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:42,155
because you don't have an existing building

1062
00:54:43,175 --> 00:54:44,435
to renovate or add to.

1063
00:54:45,095 --> 00:54:47,595
But I'm thinking of like a similar footprint

1064
00:54:48,335 --> 00:54:51,755
and it would be probably site dependent for that adjustment

1065
00:54:51,755 --> 00:54:55,155
to be made to put a similar footprint on Bethany.

1066
00:54:56,555 --> 00:54:59,365
Okay. Like A courtyard organization, would

1067
00:54:59,365 --> 00:55:00,765
that be a better way to describe it?

1068
00:55:01,525 --> 00:55:04,005
I think so. Okay. And

1069
00:55:04,505 --> 00:55:06,725
The three, so okay, that was just,

1070
00:55:06,725 --> 00:55:08,245
that answers my, that part of my question.

1071
00:55:08,245 --> 00:55:11,285
And then the second thing I just wanted to note is

1072
00:55:11,395 --> 00:55:13,885
regarding the additional meeting in bold,

1073
00:55:14,765 --> 00:55:17,205
I think I would lean toward having an additional meeting

1074
00:55:18,245 --> 00:55:20,165
just to be able to work out some of these

1075
00:55:20,185 --> 00:55:21,325
and get some more questions

1076
00:55:21,385 --> 00:55:23,685
and I think Brittany made a good point also about having the

1077
00:55:23,685 --> 00:55:26,285
bullet points and then to re's point

1078
00:55:26,285 --> 00:55:28,845
of like the actual like zoom out of like where,

1079
00:55:29,055 --> 00:55:30,685
where are people coming from, where are the parking

1080
00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:35,165
and the dropoffs situation's going to be positioned.

1081
00:55:35,545 --> 00:55:36,845
So that's all. Thanks.

1082
00:55:38,705 --> 00:55:39,735
Thank you Mr. Chair.

1083
00:55:40,215 --> 00:55:42,975
Building on some of the prior comments, when you are able

1084
00:55:42,975 --> 00:55:44,575
to hopefully add some bullet points

1085
00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:46,335
or descriptions for each item,

1086
00:55:46,335 --> 00:55:47,975
whether it's directly on the slides or

1087
00:55:47,995 --> 00:55:49,695
or both with the corresponding document.

1088
00:55:50,255 --> 00:55:51,935
I think adding the favorable outcomes for

1089
00:55:51,935 --> 00:55:54,455
what each design gets us when it comes to all

1090
00:55:54,455 --> 00:55:56,895
of the different goals that the district has

1091
00:55:56,955 --> 00:55:58,255
and the city has with this project.

1092
00:55:58,755 --> 00:56:01,495
That's one piece. I also like what Mr.

1093
00:56:01,495 --> 00:56:03,775
Wildland said about kind of multiple options.

1094
00:56:04,175 --> 00:56:08,375
I, if I was my choice, I would keep your two school option

1095
00:56:08,675 --> 00:56:11,815
as well as a Hemingway pre-K K or pre-K two

1096
00:56:12,155 --> 00:56:14,535
and see how that changes in shifts if

1097
00:56:14,655 --> 00:56:17,535
that's not too much workload.

1098
00:56:17,595 --> 00:56:19,735
And the reason I say that is if there's any hope

1099
00:56:19,735 --> 00:56:22,735
of getting MSBA funding for that, I believe we do,

1100
00:56:22,735 --> 00:56:25,445
we do owe it to do that review as well

1101
00:56:25,445 --> 00:56:27,605
as the mayor's executive order creating this committee did

1102
00:56:27,605 --> 00:56:31,085
put that in our scope both for pre-K expansion, wherever

1103
00:56:31,085 --> 00:56:32,965
that may be across the entire city.

1104
00:56:32,985 --> 00:56:36,405
So it is something that I think should be considered.

1105
00:56:36,825 --> 00:56:38,925
And then whether or not we have another meeting I I lean,

1106
00:56:39,085 --> 00:56:40,085
I lean towards yes.

1107
00:56:40,885 --> 00:56:43,285
But I'm also curious if someone could help me understand a

1108
00:56:43,285 --> 00:56:46,205
little bit more about when the pricing will come in, how,

1109
00:56:46,305 --> 00:56:48,405
how that works and,

1110
00:56:48,425 --> 00:56:51,045
and remember some of the, the pricing challenges of,

1111
00:56:51,045 --> 00:56:54,365
of a prior project just from, you know, changes over years

1112
00:56:54,425 --> 00:56:55,725
and escalation and just wanna make sure

1113
00:56:55,725 --> 00:56:57,045
that there's a great deal

1114
00:56:57,105 --> 00:56:58,965
of thought in the appropriate disclaimers

1115
00:56:58,985 --> 00:57:00,925
before any of those prices come out.

1116
00:57:01,015 --> 00:57:02,015
Thank you.

1117
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:08,855
Yeah, so we would get pricing back in early July

1118
00:57:09,355 --> 00:57:13,775
and in early July we would

1119
00:57:14,275 --> 00:57:16,495
tap a, and Vertex would go through a process

1120
00:57:16,505 --> 00:57:17,975
where we add in the,

1121
00:57:18,075 --> 00:57:20,015
the estimates themselves actually come back

1122
00:57:20,295 --> 00:57:24,265
with escalation on them and then Vertex

1123
00:57:24,265 --> 00:57:27,625
and Tap A will have a conversation around the soft cost

1124
00:57:27,645 --> 00:57:30,385
and additional contingencies that we think should be added.

1125
00:57:31,445 --> 00:57:34,065
For example, the soft cost

1126
00:57:34,245 --> 00:57:36,945
for an addition renovation on Hemingway are gonna be higher

1127
00:57:36,945 --> 00:57:39,705
than a new building on Bethany

1128
00:57:39,705 --> 00:57:42,865
because you don't have some of the additional adders like

1129
00:57:44,665 --> 00:57:46,305
phasing, temporary school,

1130
00:57:46,665 --> 00:57:47,905
temporary conditions, stuff like that.

1131
00:57:48,525 --> 00:57:50,785
And so the soft costs are gonna be different

1132
00:57:50,805 --> 00:57:53,505
for the two sites and the two each option too.

1133
00:57:54,085 --> 00:57:57,465
And so we'll go through a process of giving you all of that,

1134
00:57:58,415 --> 00:58:00,065
showing you very clearly

1135
00:58:00,245 --> 00:58:01,945
how it's generated and how it works.

1136
00:58:02,405 --> 00:58:06,225
And, and then I think that

1137
00:58:06,365 --> 00:58:09,945
as we get further down the, the road you'll have,

1138
00:58:09,945 --> 00:58:13,105
you'll start to get all the clarity that comes with this.

1139
00:58:13,125 --> 00:58:15,945
And, and I just wanna put a reminder out there that,

1140
00:58:17,765 --> 00:58:19,825
you know, you don't, you're not

1141
00:58:20,335 --> 00:58:22,545
selecting the option at the end of PDP.

1142
00:58:22,565 --> 00:58:25,425
And so really your job at this point, you can take

1143
00:58:25,485 --> 00:58:27,745
as many options as you want into PSR

1144
00:58:27,945 --> 00:58:31,895
although it's, it's probably advisable to call some

1145
00:58:31,895 --> 00:58:34,855
of them out if you can like the big, the big ones that

1146
00:58:35,875 --> 00:58:37,695
are gonna survive or don't have merit,

1147
00:58:37,915 --> 00:58:39,175
we can take those off the table

1148
00:58:39,195 --> 00:58:43,415
and spend our energy going through other options in the PSR

1149
00:58:43,415 --> 00:58:47,015
that are more in line with district goals and milestones

1150
00:58:47,115 --> 00:58:48,855
or not milestones objectives.

1151
00:58:49,635 --> 00:58:53,595
And so I think that the PSR is when you really,

1152
00:58:53,595 --> 00:58:56,555
really get down to like business on like really

1153
00:58:56,555 --> 00:58:57,595
understanding them.

1154
00:58:57,795 --> 00:59:01,435
PDP is kind of more, we're throwing a bunch

1155
00:59:01,435 --> 00:59:04,595
of stuff out there and we're doing it fairly quickly

1156
00:59:04,615 --> 00:59:07,115
and getting order magnitude numbers related to them.

1157
00:59:08,815 --> 00:59:10,795
And so that's really the process that we're in right now

1158
00:59:10,855 --> 00:59:12,635
and what's gonna happen over the next

1159
00:59:13,955 --> 00:59:15,855
two months, really June and July. So yeah,

1160
00:59:15,895 --> 00:59:18,175
I, I can clarify those two points a little bit more,

1161
00:59:18,175 --> 00:59:20,135
Chris, in terms of the pricing.

1162
00:59:20,525 --> 00:59:24,925
Pricing at PDP is about looking at your typical MSBA school

1163
00:59:25,785 --> 00:59:28,765
and trying to apply the same metric to

1164
00:59:28,765 --> 00:59:30,965
how the different options appear on the page.

1165
00:59:31,745 --> 00:59:36,125
So it's about figuring out if we do this, is this one going

1166
00:59:36,125 --> 00:59:37,805
to be more costly than the next?

1167
00:59:38,315 --> 00:59:41,725
It's not necessarily dialing into the specific

1168
00:59:42,645 --> 00:59:45,325
detailed cost analysis that you'll get at PSR,

1169
00:59:45,915 --> 00:59:47,965
it's really about if the average

1170
00:59:48,675 --> 00:59:51,925
Massachusetts school is somewhere between 950

1171
00:59:51,945 --> 00:59:53,365
to a thousand dollars a square foot

1172
00:59:53,585 --> 00:59:56,645
and that's not a, I'm just pulling that outta the air,

1173
00:59:58,785 --> 01:00:01,085
the fact that this one has more foundation

1174
01:00:01,505 --> 01:00:04,885
or this one has more floors or this one has more fields

1175
01:00:05,385 --> 01:00:08,165
or this one has more parking, how does

1176
01:00:08,165 --> 01:00:11,325
that create relative cost differences from scheme to scheme

1177
01:00:11,345 --> 01:00:13,765
to scheme so that you can look at that

1178
01:00:13,765 --> 01:00:15,805
and say, well these ones are more costly.

1179
01:00:16,545 --> 01:00:19,605
Do the other elements of those schemes warrant

1180
01:00:19,675 --> 01:00:21,965
that continuing despite the fact

1181
01:00:21,965 --> 01:00:24,845
that we think they're more costly versus these are the

1182
01:00:24,845 --> 01:00:28,245
cheapest schemes but they don't check all the

1183
01:00:28,245 --> 01:00:29,565
boxes for the other reasons.

1184
01:00:30,225 --> 01:00:33,725
And so it's about making that assessment also to the point

1185
01:00:33,825 --> 01:00:37,005
of the, the sort of pre-K k.

1186
01:00:37,145 --> 01:00:38,405
One of the things that tap A

1187
01:00:38,405 --> 01:00:42,365
and Vertex have discussed is that some of the other work

1188
01:00:42,365 --> 01:00:44,445
that's being done with demography

1189
01:00:44,595 --> 01:00:49,485
with the existing school study is to establish an approach

1190
01:00:49,505 --> 01:00:52,885
to pre-K that is not yet fully developed.

1191
01:00:52,905 --> 01:00:54,685
And that's why it doesn't appear in a lot

1192
01:00:54,685 --> 01:00:56,725
of the, the schemes.

1193
01:00:56,745 --> 01:00:58,925
All of these schemes could have a certain degree

1194
01:00:58,945 --> 01:01:00,125
of pre-K added to them.

1195
01:01:00,665 --> 01:01:02,485
So one of the things that TAP A is working

1196
01:01:02,545 --> 01:01:05,045
to better understand is the right way to make some

1197
01:01:05,045 --> 01:01:06,645
of those assessments about pre-K

1198
01:01:07,105 --> 01:01:08,525
and that ties into an item

1199
01:01:08,525 --> 01:01:10,965
that we didn't include in tonight's presentation,

1200
01:01:10,965 --> 01:01:12,925
which is the MSBA space summary.

1201
01:01:13,465 --> 01:01:15,965
That's really a product that comes out of

1202
01:01:17,705 --> 01:01:18,805
the educational plan

1203
01:01:18,805 --> 01:01:22,485
that's gonna be voted on at school committee on Wednesday.

1204
01:01:22,945 --> 01:01:26,125
And so we really wanna understand once that's confirmed

1205
01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:29,125
by school committee the details of that space summary,

1206
01:01:29,125 --> 01:01:32,045
which gets into the details of the size of your school

1207
01:01:33,025 --> 01:01:35,765
and also how much pre-K we choose to put in,

1208
01:01:36,025 --> 01:01:38,725
is there enough space vacated at other schools

1209
01:01:38,755 --> 01:01:41,005
that can fit into some of that pre-K so

1210
01:01:41,005 --> 01:01:42,685
that we can advance that conversation.

1211
01:01:42,785 --> 01:01:46,165
But Chris is right, all of these discussions, at the end

1212
01:01:46,165 --> 01:01:47,285
of the day, it's about choosing

1213
01:01:47,425 --> 01:01:50,805
how many options we really want develop to a high level.

1214
01:01:52,025 --> 01:01:55,005
And when we get to the discussion of those options,

1215
01:01:55,025 --> 01:01:57,445
that's when we're really gonna be looking at the different

1216
01:01:57,445 --> 01:02:00,005
options in comparison to each other in terms

1217
01:02:00,025 --> 01:02:02,885
of do we really want new construction, do we want

1218
01:02:02,885 --> 01:02:04,125
to consider an ad reno

1219
01:02:04,785 --> 01:02:06,445
and where do we wanna cite the school?

1220
01:02:06,445 --> 01:02:07,605
Those are really questions

1221
01:02:07,945 --> 01:02:11,365
for the next year when we're gonna have much more detailed

1222
01:02:11,365 --> 01:02:13,645
pricing, much more detailed analysis

1223
01:02:13,645 --> 01:02:15,965
and much more time to work through all those details.

1224
01:02:16,535 --> 01:02:17,925
Thank you. One quick follow up Mr.

1225
01:02:17,925 --> 01:02:21,525
Chair, if I may, just on the pricing. Yes, thank you both.

1226
01:02:21,525 --> 01:02:22,605
That was a very helpful answer.

1227
01:02:22,625 --> 01:02:24,365
And so the way I'm thinking for the next meeting

1228
01:02:24,505 --> 01:02:27,275
or two is, is more of a, it'd be helpful

1229
01:02:27,415 --> 01:02:30,475
to know like the ranking of, of expense from, you know, low

1230
01:02:30,475 --> 01:02:32,035
to high, high to low based on all,

1231
01:02:32,035 --> 01:02:35,755
all this without maybe having the exact numbers if,

1232
01:02:35,915 --> 01:02:37,075
'cause it's, I think it's so early in

1233
01:02:37,315 --> 01:02:39,995
that I'm also wondering, this is my LA my last point.

1234
01:02:40,545 --> 01:02:43,755
When do you give us the, what is eligible for MSBA

1235
01:02:44,435 --> 01:02:46,275
reimbursement and what is ineligible breakdown?

1236
01:02:46,295 --> 01:02:48,035
Is that part of this next month

1237
01:02:48,055 --> 01:02:50,075
or is that something that would be in, you know,

1238
01:02:50,075 --> 01:02:52,195
months away in the, in the future post PDP?

1239
01:02:52,195 --> 01:02:53,195
Thank you.

1240
01:02:55,615 --> 01:02:57,385
From a cost perspective, I would say

1241
01:02:57,545 --> 01:02:59,305
that it's probably gonna be the 13th.

1242
01:02:59,325 --> 01:03:01,305
By the time we get to the, some of those rankings,

1243
01:03:01,305 --> 01:03:03,465
there's a lot of little details.

1244
01:03:03,525 --> 01:03:05,345
That's, that's why I always say

1245
01:03:05,345 --> 01:03:07,825
that PDP is about establishing relationships

1246
01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:09,825
and figuring out what you wanna put in your building

1247
01:03:10,175 --> 01:03:12,385
because at the end of the day, if you have 12

1248
01:03:12,935 --> 01:03:16,105
different schemes, you have 12 different ways to look at it,

1249
01:03:16,105 --> 01:03:17,465
you'll get 12 different costs

1250
01:03:17,885 --> 01:03:19,985
and you might decide that three of them move forward.

1251
01:03:20,965 --> 01:03:24,825
And so cost really isn't the sole driver in all of this.

1252
01:03:24,885 --> 01:03:27,025
And in terms of determining eligibility,

1253
01:03:27,905 --> 01:03:29,105
there's an initial pass

1254
01:03:29,105 --> 01:03:31,825
that occurs once the space summary is developed

1255
01:03:31,845 --> 01:03:33,545
and submitted to the MSBA.

1256
01:03:33,545 --> 01:03:37,225
So after we get past the that PDP milestone,

1257
01:03:37,225 --> 01:03:39,545
we'll get the first comments about what is eligible

1258
01:03:39,545 --> 01:03:42,305
and ineligible from the MSS BA And

1259
01:03:42,305 --> 01:03:45,025
that really takes more shape in the PS R phase

1260
01:03:45,565 --> 01:03:49,465
as we analyze the Ms B's comments, as the space summary

1261
01:03:49,685 --> 01:03:50,825
as it develops related

1262
01:03:50,845 --> 01:03:53,905
to the building itself becomes clearer.

1263
01:03:54,405 --> 01:03:57,945
And as we understand in better terms

1264
01:03:58,565 --> 01:04:00,465
the pre-K option that moves forward,

1265
01:04:00,525 --> 01:04:02,345
that's gonna factor into what's eligible

1266
01:04:02,345 --> 01:04:03,985
and ineligible as well.

1267
01:04:04,245 --> 01:04:06,625
So it really becomes a PSR discussion.

1268
01:04:06,795 --> 01:04:10,825
Thank you. So right now the decision really comes down

1269
01:04:10,825 --> 01:04:12,625
to whether we wanna schedule a meeting in two

1270
01:04:12,625 --> 01:04:13,945
weeks or four weeks.

1271
01:04:15,965 --> 01:04:17,145
And I guess Chris

1272
01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,625
or Chris do either you guys have a strong preference on that

1273
01:04:19,845 --> 01:04:21,025
or a suggestion on that?

1274
01:04:25,845 --> 01:04:29,745
Umm, more time is more detail on on. So why don't, that's,

1275
01:04:30,125 --> 01:04:31,125
Why don't we do this?

1276
01:04:31,125 --> 01:04:32,545
Why don't we plan for the 29th

1277
01:04:33,005 --> 01:04:34,545
and if something comes up that we,

1278
01:04:34,545 --> 01:04:36,025
you feel would be particularly helpful

1279
01:04:36,645 --> 01:04:39,065
to have a full meeting we can put on the 15th.

1280
01:04:39,065 --> 01:04:40,225
Does that make sense to people

1281
01:04:40,405 --> 01:04:44,285
or what I, we could also,

1282
01:04:45,205 --> 01:04:46,805
I just don't wanna come back to that meeting without

1283
01:04:46,845 --> 01:04:47,965
a whole lot of new information.

1284
01:04:49,705 --> 01:04:53,445
We can also, I just, you know,

1285
01:04:53,445 --> 01:04:55,085
spitballing ideas is we can work

1286
01:04:55,305 --> 01:04:57,485
and start to add layers of information

1287
01:04:57,485 --> 01:05:01,645
and then when the 15th comes we can send an an update packet

1288
01:05:01,645 --> 01:05:02,965
that isn't up for discussion,

1289
01:05:02,965 --> 01:05:05,805
but just updates the committee on where we are on the 15th

1290
01:05:05,805 --> 01:05:08,685
and then we come to the 29th with more information than that

1291
01:05:09,265 --> 01:05:11,405
and we discuss it all so that you kind of see

1292
01:05:11,405 --> 01:05:13,925
where we're at on the 15th and then the 29th we meet

1293
01:05:13,985 --> 01:05:16,085
and have all the discussions we need to have. So

1294
01:05:17,035 --> 01:05:20,765
Yeah, I think that might make some sense. Mr. Wildland.

1295
01:05:21,115 --> 01:05:24,125
Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think that might make sense.

1296
01:05:24,445 --> 01:05:27,165
I, my concern is not so much about meeting,

1297
01:05:28,185 --> 01:05:32,885
but about being sort of unplugged from the work

1298
01:05:32,885 --> 01:05:35,845
that's going on for the next month and then coming back

1299
01:05:35,985 --> 01:05:39,285
and having the next opportunity for feedback be in a month.

1300
01:05:39,785 --> 01:05:42,965
You know, I think we've talked about a couple things

1301
01:05:42,965 --> 01:05:45,445
that the committee would like to see in terms of

1302
01:05:46,225 --> 01:05:48,845
larger visualizations of the floor plates

1303
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:52,085
and some, some, some pros and cons

1304
01:05:52,265 --> 01:05:55,565
and like, I don't wanna wait until the 29th

1305
01:05:55,745 --> 01:05:56,885
to get that information.

1306
01:05:57,065 --> 01:06:01,915
So if we can commit to having just sort of an updated

1307
01:06:02,755 --> 01:06:05,475
asynchronous packet for the 15th, I'd also like

1308
01:06:05,475 --> 01:06:07,075
to see the outcome of the mentee

1309
01:06:07,075 --> 01:06:08,275
meter stuff that we just did.

1310
01:06:08,855 --> 01:06:11,715
You know, I I, I don't want the next readout

1311
01:06:11,715 --> 01:06:14,675
to be a month from now, I guess is what I'm saying.

1312
01:06:14,695 --> 01:06:18,235
And I'm fine not having a meeting so long as we continue to

1313
01:06:19,295 --> 01:06:21,235
be plugged into the work that's going on.

1314
01:06:23,815 --> 01:06:25,425
Alright. So why don't we go with that plan

1315
01:06:25,425 --> 01:06:28,945
unless any, as I said a moment ago, unless anyone objects

1316
01:06:28,945 --> 01:06:30,105
and feels strongly otherwise.

1317
01:06:32,705 --> 01:06:36,315
Okay. And that's okay with you Chris? Yeah,

1318
01:06:36,665 --> 01:06:38,995
It's whatever the committee would like to do.

1319
01:06:39,015 --> 01:06:40,675
We wanna make sure that you all feel

1320
01:06:40,675 --> 01:06:42,315
that you have the relevant information

1321
01:06:42,315 --> 01:06:43,355
you need to make a decision.

1322
01:06:44,245 --> 01:06:47,925
Let's try that and see, and see how we do. Okay.

1323
01:06:48,825 --> 01:06:50,525
Unless there's anything else on that.

1324
01:06:51,265 --> 01:06:53,525
On The next item is a community outreach

1325
01:06:53,525 --> 01:06:54,565
subcommittee status.

1326
01:06:55,405 --> 01:06:57,725
I haven't really got received any feedback from any band

1327
01:06:57,745 --> 01:07:01,365
app, so Scott, if you're still here you are

1328
01:07:02,705 --> 01:07:04,085
if you wanna say anything else about it.

1329
01:07:04,145 --> 01:07:06,285
But otherwise I would just ask you maybe would like

1330
01:07:06,285 --> 01:07:09,625
to serve on the community outreach subcommittee, let me know

1331
01:07:09,625 --> 01:07:10,625
and I'll put one together.

1332
01:07:13,455 --> 01:07:17,745
Yeah. Only 'cause you asked for my thoughts, Mr. Chair.

1333
01:07:18,025 --> 01:07:20,905
I, my understanding coming out of the last meeting,

1334
01:07:22,245 --> 01:07:23,945
and I may have misunderstood, I thought

1335
01:07:23,945 --> 01:07:25,385
that you were gonna send something

1336
01:07:25,385 --> 01:07:27,305
to the committee calling for volunteers.

1337
01:07:28,185 --> 01:07:31,585
I know of several folks who would like

1338
01:07:31,585 --> 01:07:33,025
to serve, myself included.

1339
01:07:34,205 --> 01:07:36,505
I'm actually concerned that we may have more people

1340
01:07:37,605 --> 01:07:39,345
who are interested than you.

1341
01:07:39,505 --> 01:07:42,225
'cause we had said three to four people on the committee.

1342
01:07:42,325 --> 01:07:45,585
So I just wanna share with the other members if I could,

1343
01:07:45,585 --> 01:07:47,985
that if we end up having more people

1344
01:07:49,975 --> 01:07:52,345
than we can put on the subcommittee,

1345
01:07:52,405 --> 01:07:53,785
that's not a bad problem.

1346
01:07:54,605 --> 01:07:56,385
At the end of the day, every single one

1347
01:07:56,385 --> 01:07:58,545
of us is gonna be engaged in outreach.

1348
01:07:58,605 --> 01:08:01,385
To some extent. I think the primary goal

1349
01:08:01,385 --> 01:08:04,225
of the subcommittee is working with Vertex and Tappe

1350
01:08:04,225 --> 01:08:07,265
and the district on communication strategy,

1351
01:08:07,525 --> 01:08:09,265
not necessarily the execution.

1352
01:08:09,825 --> 01:08:12,105
I think we're all gonna be involved in the execution.

1353
01:08:12,245 --> 01:08:15,845
So I guess what I'm hearing based upon your comment, Mr.

1354
01:08:15,845 --> 01:08:18,085
Chair, is that individuals should,

1355
01:08:18,105 --> 01:08:20,925
should let you know if they are interested in serving

1356
01:08:21,465 --> 01:08:23,485
on the subcommittee and then you'll take it from there.

1357
01:08:24,225 --> 01:08:26,565
Yes. That's the best way to, yep. Jess. Okay.

1358
01:08:28,555 --> 01:08:29,725
Yeah. Thank you Mr. Chair.

1359
01:08:29,745 --> 01:08:31,685
So I reached out about two weeks ago asking,

1360
01:08:31,825 --> 01:08:34,605
and I never heard back if you had any plans to,

1361
01:08:34,965 --> 01:08:36,285
if I had missed a communication

1362
01:08:36,305 --> 01:08:37,445
or if you were planning on this.

1363
01:08:37,785 --> 01:08:40,325
So can you just walk us through the next steps you want us

1364
01:08:40,325 --> 01:08:42,885
to email you or are you taking volunteers now

1365
01:08:42,885 --> 01:08:44,285
or what are the next steps? Well,

1366
01:08:44,285 --> 01:08:46,485
Well I guess I'll, yeah, I may be

1367
01:08:47,195 --> 01:08:48,645
some must have got missed somewhere here.

1368
01:08:48,785 --> 01:08:52,165
So I will have somebody send out,

1369
01:08:52,445 --> 01:08:54,165
I will send out or someone send out.

1370
01:08:55,265 --> 01:08:57,565
Can someone from Vertex just send out an email tomorrow

1371
01:08:57,865 --> 01:09:01,245
to asking and then having anybody who would like,

1372
01:09:01,245 --> 01:09:03,405
that way anybody who's not here is also covered.

1373
01:09:03,985 --> 01:09:06,325
And have anybody respond to me by, say,

1374
01:09:06,325 --> 01:09:08,805
Friday if they wanted be involved on the subcommittee.

1375
01:09:09,385 --> 01:09:10,845
So my question was if you could just

1376
01:09:10,845 --> 01:09:12,045
walk us through the next steps.

1377
01:09:12,105 --> 01:09:14,325
So it's gonna be, vertex is gonna send out an email

1378
01:09:14,385 --> 01:09:16,725
and then within the end of the week you're going to,

1379
01:09:17,545 --> 01:09:20,365
And we'll see what we few we have

1380
01:09:20,365 --> 01:09:21,525
and then we'll figure it out from there.

1381
01:09:22,905 --> 01:09:24,615
Thank you Mr. Chair for recognizing me.

1382
01:09:25,315 --> 01:09:28,975
No, thank you for asking. All right.

1383
01:09:29,235 --> 01:09:32,735
If there's nothing else, I would take a motion to adjourn.

1384
01:09:37,085 --> 01:09:41,585
So move, move. Second. Moved by Mr. Seconded. By Mr.

1385
01:09:41,765 --> 01:09:45,345
Do. Okay. So I vote myself? Yes. Adam? Yes.

1386
01:09:46,075 --> 01:09:50,145
Print Yes. Brittany? Yes. Jessica?

1387
01:09:51,325 --> 01:09:55,065
Yes. David? Yes. Rachel? Yes.

1388
01:09:56,275 --> 01:09:59,295
Sheria? Yes. Scott? Yes.

1389
01:10:00,715 --> 01:10:02,335
And did I miss anybody?

1390
01:10:02,995 --> 01:10:05,185
Yep. Me. Okay. Just

1391
01:10:05,185 --> 01:10:06,545
Through Alexander? Yes. Okay.

1392
01:10:06,975 --> 01:10:10,305
Okay. No. Yes. I Mateo, you still with us?

1393
01:10:11,575 --> 01:10:15,515
Yes and yes. Okay, great. Thanks everybody.

1394
01:10:15,855 --> 01:10:19,355
And so we're all done for tonight. Thank you very much.

1395
01:10:20,395 --> 01:10:21,905
Thank you. Excellent. Thank you.

1396
01:10:22,795 --> 01:10:23,225
Thank you.