1 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:35,120 The time is now 602. We will call the 2 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,360 meeting to order. 3 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,399 Is that Erin? Would you like to kick us 4 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,399 off with your 5 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:46,000 >> Yes, absolutely. Um, so this evening we 6 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,320 have a code text amendment. Um, proposal 7 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:56,549 for a car wash on parcel RT32-5. 8 00:00:56,559 --> 00:01:00,640 Uh so quick executive summary, WDE Souza 9 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,039 with Western Endeavors has submitted an 10 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:05,199 application to amend the code text to 11 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:08,400 allow car wash as a permitted use in a 12 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,040 C1 commercial zone. The proposed 13 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,040 amendment is consistent with the Francis 14 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,200 City General Plans goal to foster 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,520 economic development by supporting new 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,600 commercial uses that serve the growing 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,320 community. Uh if approved, Mr. Souza 18 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,720 intends to develop the car wash on 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,600 parcel RT32-5 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,680 outlined below. Um and so this is 32 21 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,400 here and this is in um the Harwood 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,119 development. Um just to give you a 23 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:39,200 little bit of a bearing. 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 um a little bit of background on the 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,680 project and then I'll show um some uh 26 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,399 maps and examples of what the car wash 27 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:53,200 is proposed. Uh so on June 8th uh 2026, 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,520 Wade met with the city staff to discuss 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,399 the possible possibility of opening a 30 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:02,719 self-service car wash on parcel RT32-5. 31 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:05,119 Um, a formal code amendment application 32 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:08,160 was received by the city on July 1st, 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,280 2026. Uh, and the subject parcel is 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,640 currently part of the Harwood 35 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,680 development uh, in a sewing uh, 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,640 commercial zone and uh, the area that 37 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,280 it's in is predominantly surrounded by 38 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,080 C1 as well. 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Uh, the applicant has submitted a 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,080 conceptual site plan proposing the car 41 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,800 wash use which includes two automatic 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,599 bays and three self service bays. The 43 00:02:33,599 --> 00:02:35,760 facility would also have seven vacuum 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,319 stalls and traffic would circulate one 45 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:41,519 way uh to maintain the flow of traffic. 46 00:02:41,519 --> 00:02:44,239 Uh during our preliminary meeting uh we 47 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:46,319 discussed several items that will 48 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:48,959 require further attention uh if this 49 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:51,280 project does move forward. Uh and that 50 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,840 includes noise um generated by like the 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,000 dryers and blowers, water rights and 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,560 usage, parking, on-site traffic 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 circulation, and the possibility of uh 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,400 incorporating a pet wash. 55 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Now, for water shares, uh will need to 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,920 be clarified and if necessary, amended 57 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,400 within uh the five-year start window to 58 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,440 ensure proper water rights are secured, 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,480 both paper water and wet water. And the 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,959 proposed development uh would also 61 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:24,400 include a water water reclamation system 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,280 um that has the ability to recycle up to 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,360 50% of water use uh in the wash base. 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,680 And according to the applicant, this rec 65 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,959 reclamation system uh would use 8 to 18 66 00:03:36,959 --> 00:03:39,920 gallons per wash compared to 20 to 200 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200 gallons um which is typically used for a 68 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,440 single car wash in a uh home. And given 69 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,920 the site's proximity u to residential 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,000 areas, noise level will need to be 71 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,879 carefully managed. Um lower hours in 72 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:56,720 particular may be a concern, especially 73 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,640 in the evening when sound will carry 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,640 further. Um parking and circulation. The 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,959 applicant has indicated 76 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:07,280 uh potential pet wash might be 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,159 incorporated uh which could generate 78 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,360 additional parking demand. Um, and so we 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,160 do need to consider parking needs, um, 80 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,479 including stalls for the vacuum dryers, 81 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:21,519 adequate space for traffic circulation. 82 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,240 Um, and that can all be evaluated in the 83 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,440 commercial building permit process. Um, 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,240 and then the applicant did note in their 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,080 uh, application that the facility would 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,960 help meet growing community needs as uh, 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,919 existing car washes in the Cameas area 88 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:41,120 frequently experience high demand. Um so 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,600 as we're going through this just keep in 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,720 mind that this code only allows for the 91 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,759 business use case uh and all car wash 92 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:51,360 parameters and commercial building 93 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,479 permitting pro will uh be taken place in 94 00:04:54,479 --> 00:04:57,280 the commercial building permit process. 95 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,400 Um so now I'm going to show um some 96 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,520 great drawings and some data that has 97 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,479 been provided by Wade. Um so this first 98 00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:10,320 uh 99 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,479 um map is uh you'll see like the five 100 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:17,280 different wash bays and then u the cars 101 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:22,479 how they like flow in um to the wash 102 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:25,120 and then um aesthetically from the 103 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,800 outside 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,320 um 105 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,240 the bays as well as um what kind of the 106 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,830 proposed architecture could look like. 107 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:43,270 Here's another example. 108 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,000 And then I'll talk a little bit about 109 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,880 the water usage. Um, this was provided 110 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,080 by the applicant. Um, 111 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,320 as far as how their uh water reclamation 112 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,039 system um would help um save some of the 113 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:07,120 water and reuse it in the system. Um, so 114 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:13,360 for car um in one bay. Um and I'll 115 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,039 applicants here so he can speak better 116 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:18,160 to this when I'm done with my report. So 117 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,759 if I if it needs clarification, we can 118 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,680 do that. Um but 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,280 uh so technically one car uses uh 50 120 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:36,319 gallons um per wash times um you know x 121 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:40,240 amount of a day. Um he's kind of given 122 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,919 us totals here that for um month and 123 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:46,319 year totals over here, you know, it 124 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:52,800 could use for a month up to um 163,800 125 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,199 gallons um and then a year a million uh 126 00:06:57,199 --> 00:06:59,520 965,600 127 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,840 gallons. But with the water reclamation 128 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,199 system, um he can save up to 50% of 129 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:09,199 that. So when you're looking over um you 130 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,759 know the course of the year that can be 131 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:17,759 up to 982 gallons um per year. So um 132 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,319 that's kind of what that chart is 133 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,080 outlining. 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,599 And then um this is also for the noise 135 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:29,599 level of the vacuums. Um so the decibel 136 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:33,039 levels uh 5t away, 30 feet, 60, 100 ft 137 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:38,000 away um the facility and um the noise 138 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,199 within the bay blower. So, uh just to 139 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:44,319 keep in mind how that would impact uh 140 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:46,880 neighboring properties 141 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:53,510 within those foot distances. 142 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,919 Now, I'll go into 143 00:07:55,919 --> 00:08:01,039 um city code. Uh so, in analysis 144 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:04,000 of um the commercial commercial business 145 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,039 use 146 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:09,039 in um code 184520 147 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:11,120 uh that list permitted uh commercial 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,240 business use in a C1 zone car washes are 149 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,560 not currently identified as permitted 150 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,039 use. Uh this code amendment would add 151 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:21,440 car washes as an allowable commercial 152 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,560 use. Uh staff recommends that if the use 153 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,560 is adopted conditions be established 154 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,599 around uh water shares, noise management 155 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:32,719 and traffic impacts. Um and so the staff 156 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:36,880 recommends in the commercial use chart 157 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,279 um if that it's a two tier 2 impact uh 158 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:45,279 when it comes to the buffer zone and um 159 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,480 that zone uh that tier 2 buffer zone 160 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,480 states that um adjacent parcels 161 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,680 um within it so there's an AG1 parcel 162 00:08:55,680 --> 00:09:00,399 right next to it um that that buffer uh 163 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,800 requires There's 4 foot uh farm fence 164 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,000 and um a 10-ft um buffer space between 165 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:15,279 the building and um the the end of the property. 166 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:19,920 Uh now for um code 181001 100 off- 167 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,240 streetet parking. Um this one 168 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,680 establishes off- streetet parking 169 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:25,920 requirements for commercial use. If a 170 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,399 car wash is adopted as a permitted use, 171 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,320 staff recommends that the code be 172 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,480 updated to include specific parking 173 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 standards for this use type. Uh these 174 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,680 standards should account for adequate um 175 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,320 stalls for the vacuum dryers. Uh cued 176 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,920 cars waiting to enter the wash um and 177 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,640 specifically park counts um and layout 178 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,560 will be reviewed in the commercial 179 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,360 building process. Um for this the staff 180 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,760 recommends in the parking plan to 181 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,080 require two parking 182 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,120 plus two stacking spaces per wash bay 183 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,920 and one parking space per employee on 184 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,190 shift. 185 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,920 Um now for the general plan uh Francis 186 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,240 uh general plan fosters um pro business 187 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,839 environment bringing economic 188 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:20,240 opportunities to broaden the city's tax 189 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,399 base and staff has reviewed the 190 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,240 application against the relevant goals 191 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,959 and policies of the general plan. And so 192 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:29,680 I'd like to review um the ones that 193 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,040 apply. So policy 18 um this policy 194 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,040 promotes a positive environment for 195 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,800 business to strengthen and improve the 196 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,360 city tax base and quality of life. Uh 197 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,160 and this is consistent allowing the use 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,040 would improve the city's tax base. 199 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,640 Policy 1C uh encouraged businesses to 200 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,760 locate along State Road 32 in existing 201 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,320 commercial and city center zones. Uh 202 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,480 this is also consistent. This business 203 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,720 is um just off SR32 and in the C1 204 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,880 commercial zone. 205 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,880 Policy 2A is to improve diversify and 206 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,279 increase the tax base, seek revenue 207 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,760 growth from economic development activities to mitigate 208 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,640 residential property tax increases. Um 209 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,720 this is also consistent. This business 210 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,600 was would help diversify our economic 211 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,279 climate and help offset uh taxpayers 212 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:26,800 cost. 213 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Policy 2C um buffer commercial and 214 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,440 indust industrial uses from ex existing 215 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,399 single family residential areas. Um this 216 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:41,279 is also consistent. Um the zone is C1 217 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:46,000 and um surrounding the zone is also C1. 218 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,519 Um 219 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:51,040 So that is also consistent um with that 220 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,680 policy 221 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,959 staff recommendations. So um the staff 222 00:11:56,959 --> 00:11:59,440 recommends uh one of three options for 223 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,560 the planning commission um to take one 224 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,720 of the following actions. So the first 225 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,480 the commission may forward a positive 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,399 recommendation to the city council for 227 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,839 adoption of the code text amendment um 228 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:15,600 for code 184520 adding car wash as a 229 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,200 permitted use and C1 commercial zone um 230 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,120 subject to the recommendations outlined 231 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,320 in this report and um staff recommends 232 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,720 this option as the proposed amendment is 233 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,800 consistent with the goals and policies 234 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,760 of the general plan described above. 235 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,079 Second, the commission may uh table this 236 00:12:34,079 --> 00:12:36,399 item for further discussion and direct 237 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:38,800 staff to provide additional information 238 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,839 or analysis as required. Uh or third, 239 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:43,680 the commission may forward a negative 240 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,560 recommendation to the city council. Um 241 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,040 if the council finds or if the planning 242 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,040 commission finds the proposed amendment 243 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,760 is inconsistent with the general plan or 244 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,680 otherwise not in the best interest of 245 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,320 the city um and stating findings that 246 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,440 support that. Um so just in conclusion 247 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,519 um just a reminder that this is a code 248 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:08,639 text amendment and um would only allow 249 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:13,519 permitted use and all of the um uh 250 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:15,600 building would take place in the 251 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,710 commercial building permit process. 252 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,720 » Thank you. 253 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,160 >> Scott, did you have anything you wanted 254 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,430 to add? 255 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,600 » Nope. Um I think 256 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,560 the the water question. Um that's 257 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:33,680 something we're going to have to dive 258 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,200 into a little bit. You know, he's got 259 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,480 some suggestions. Um 260 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Hebrew City has had some issues with car 261 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,160 washes um in the past, not requiring 262 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,680 enough water. So, that's something I 263 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,360 mentioned that we really have to look 264 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,440 into. And that's what we kind of talk 265 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,240 about. if we talked with our attorney a 266 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,360 little bit, you know, if we had an 267 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,560 agreement that if they're using more 268 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,399 water than what they originally planned 269 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,959 that they'd have to turn in more, get an 270 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:00,160 agreement with them. So, that's 271 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,839 something that if we move forward with 272 00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:03,279 this, we're going to have to kind of 273 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,040 figure out a little bit better. 274 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:13,189 >> Okay. 275 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:15,120 » Yeah. Would you guys like an opportunity 276 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,040 to speak? Is there anything you want to 277 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,959 add 278 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:21,440 >> if you could? Yeah. And you might have 279 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,880 to push the button so the little red 280 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,399 light comes on. 281 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,160 >> Yeah, there you go. 282 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,079 >> That keeps Suzanne happy with me. 283 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:32,320 >> Uh, thanks for taking the time. So, we 284 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,839 just are interested in building a 285 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:36,560 professional car wash at the location. 286 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,519 Um, you know, it's considered a water 287 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:42,160 smart business. People are going to wash 288 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,040 their cars. Um, I myself have been in 289 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,680 the car wash business for 30 years. So, 290 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,839 we're a distributor. We actually provide 291 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:52,160 equipment to the public and we design 292 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,279 and build car washes. So, I have quite a 293 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:57,839 bit of experience with water and 294 00:14:57,839 --> 00:15:00,240 conservancy. Water is a huge issue for 295 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,959 me as a professional because it's my 296 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:05,279 business. So, we know how to treat it. 297 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:06,720 We know how to clean it. We know how to 298 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,120 reuse it. And you know, we know how 299 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,680 sacred it is because it directly impacts 300 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,600 my business. 301 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,440 So, with that being said, you know, this 302 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,160 is 303 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,639 a facility that is going to treat water 304 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:23,199 with respect and use the smallest amount 305 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:28,000 we can to do a quality job. So, um, if 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,519 you guys have any questions, just please 307 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,920 fire away. Could you state your name for 308 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,680 the record for Suzanne, although it's 309 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,279 probably on the application, but 310 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,120 >> yeah, Wade Souza. 311 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,279 >> Okay, perfect. 312 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:42,639 >> Gentlemen, do you have any questions for 313 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:44,079 Mr. Souza? 314 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:46,399 >> I don't think I do. 315 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:47,839 >> Awesome. Thank you so much. 316 00:15:47,839 --> 00:15:48,639 >> Okay. 317 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,480 >> Um, I did see it's noted as a public 318 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,880 hearing. Do you need Is that correct? 319 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,880 >> Okay. So, at this time, I'll open up for 320 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,279 public comment. 321 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:59,759 Uh, no public comment. Everybody give a 322 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:03,829 closing public comment. 323 00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:05,440 I'll give Susan a second because I think 324 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:12,790 she needs to type all that. 325 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,560 » Perfect. Outstanding. Gentlemen, what 326 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,000 questions? 327 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,399 >> So, I've got some questions for you. So, 328 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:20,880 um it goes back to you know water, paper 329 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,360 water. What capacity do we actually have 330 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,680 a city to provide water and how does 331 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,399 this how does our ability impact 332 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:31,026 applications like this? Well, um, 333 00:16:31,026 --> 00:16:32,480 [clears throat] 334 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,440 like I've mentioned before in our, um, 335 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,720 I guess [clears throat] in our when we 336 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,440 do planning for the city, we include 337 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,480 some commercial use in addition to 338 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,000 residential. 339 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,480 So, um, we've planned with the ser with 340 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,720 the sources and the the tanks that we 341 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,120 build to go for the next [clears throat] 342 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,519 15 to 20 years. So if we get a high 343 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:03,519 demand thing that comes in, it might 344 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:05,760 shorten it a little bit or you know, but 345 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,360 we just kind of estimate. We just have 346 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,799 kind of have to watch it. But um he will 347 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:13,760 have to turn in paper for it 348 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,439 >> um to provide the amount of water that 349 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:18,079 he needs to use. Um but as far as our 350 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:19,839 capacity, you know, with our wells on 351 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,720 our tanks that we built, um like I said, 352 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,079 we should be good, you know, depending 353 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,720 on growth. you know, we're already um 354 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,720 planning that at the Hidden Meadows um 355 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,960 subdivision when that subdivision was 356 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,520 annexed. We um got another well site and 357 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,200 tank site and we're planning on working 358 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,559 on getting that started in the next 359 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:40,080 couple years. So, 360 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,919 >> so I'm trying to remember in the past we 361 00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:44,387 had I mean I haven't seen 362 00:17:44,387 --> 00:17:45,760 [clears throat] the sign go up yet to 363 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,360 conserve water because of pump issues, 364 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,559 but is are all of our pumps now 365 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:52,400 permanently wired into the power and 366 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,549 everything? 367 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:58,799 And in theory, we have an extra million 368 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:02,000 gallons of water per year that we could 369 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,440 put to a cause like this. 370 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,080 >> Yep. 371 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,080 >> That's one question I have. Let's see. 372 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,919 So, another question generally. So, this subdivision and this probably a 373 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:14,000 question for you. When I hear 374 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,440 subdivision, it makes me think of homes. 375 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,960 Is this a business subdivision or is 376 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,480 this a residential subdivision? We're 377 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,440 looking at putting car wash in resial 378 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,039 subdivision. 379 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:27,679 It's commercial. It's Yeah. Yeah. So, um 380 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:29,600 for that subdivision comment, just to 381 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,280 clarify, it's for um like the noise and 382 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,480 how it would carry um it would, you 383 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,600 know, reach some potentially nearby. So, 384 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,080 um like here's the zone. So, um the 385 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Harwood development is I don't know if 386 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,320 you Yeah, you can see it. It's like this 387 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,320 parcel right here. 388 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,440 >> Will you turn that one off? 389 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,440 >> Yeah. This is Kitty corner to where he 390 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,600 wants hotel. 391 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,200 >> Correct. Yep. Yeah. And so, um, as you 392 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,840 can see based on the zone map, the 393 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,480 closest residential is right over here. 394 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,720 Um, and so the sound does potentially 395 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,520 have a little opportunity um to travel, 396 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,280 but that can be mitigated, you know, at 397 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,960 night and stuff like that. And we can 398 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,520 mitigate that to noise ordinances. Um, 399 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,600 but predominantly, as you can see here, 400 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,720 it's surrounded by C1 commercial. Uh, 401 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,909 and then there's agriculture around it. 402 00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:26,400 And I think one thing we need to 403 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,600 remember is this is the zone change. So 404 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,760 if we approve this zone change, you 405 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,679 know, he's he's looking at doing 406 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:35,760 something in the Route 32 development, 407 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,000 but if we approve this, it can go 408 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,440 >> anywhere where it's red. 409 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,360 >> Yes. 410 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,080 >> That segus into my question. You might 411 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,760 jump in 412 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,840 a changing table, right? Not a zone 413 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,000 change, a codeex amendment to allow car 414 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:52,559 washes 415 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:53,200 >> in the zone 416 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,400 >> anywhere in that zone. 417 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,120 >> So my question is, should this go under 418 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,440 conditional use permits? 419 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,520 >> Remember, we're trying to get away from 420 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,240 >> Oh, yeah. 421 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,280 >> So based on this, 422 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,919 >> that's why we set it up, you know, like 423 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:09,520 we did with the tier ones. Remember when 424 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,039 we went through that whole process? 425 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:12,559 >> Yeah. And I was and that's what my 426 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,720 question was. Tier two, which isn't that 427 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,400 what this is. 428 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,160 >> Wasn't this a tier two impact? 429 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,760 >> Yes, that's what we're recommending. 430 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080 >> And so as a tier 2 impact, it wouldn't 431 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,200 qualify to be under that. And I get it. 432 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,960 We all lived at the conditional use 433 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,120 permit process. 434 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:32,880 But that's I guess that's my hesitation 435 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,799 is that we could end up in kind of the 436 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:36,640 same situation. And now I know it 437 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,120 wouldn't happen, but three car washes 438 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,520 and you know it's not under some sort of 439 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,360 mitigating conditional use. And again, I 440 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,360 don't remember exactly how all of that 441 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,240 works. Um, we are changing the code to 442 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,559 allow car washes in all tier two. So, in 443 00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:59,120 the event that this move forward, which 444 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,840 is like another 445 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,159 move from allowed to not allowed, 446 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:08,640 similarly, there's a determination down 447 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,950 the road if this car 448 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,360 down the road 449 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,640 a table to then 450 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,190 >> eliminate it over 451 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,440 » in the event 452 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,960 that 453 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,960 >> we exceeded our car washes basically. 454 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960 >> I I have a question that's on point with 455 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,200 everything we're talking about here. So 456 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,240 my understanding is from I think it's 457 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,240 actually on the page that you 458 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,080 It's that last paragraph on the screen 459 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,080 right now [clears throat] where it says 460 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,080 uh all sight specific requirements, 461 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,000 building sign, water rights, noise, all 462 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,799 that. Those are all the things or a lot 463 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:52,320 of the things at least that would have 464 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,640 been considered in a conditional use 465 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,280 permit application would have come here. 466 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,520 Can you just talk about the process and 467 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,799 the staff involved in making what 468 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,799 amounts to the same determinations just 469 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:06,480 moving it to the staff side of the house 470 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,159 instead of here? Like who all is 471 00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,679 involved in that? 472 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:11,760 I assume it's you guys, but who else? 473 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,880 >> Yeah, it'd predominantly be um myself 474 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,720 and Scott in reviewing that um and 475 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,200 making sure that that um meets, you 476 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,799 know, requirements. We also work with uh 477 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,360 an organization called Shums. Um they've 478 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,640 been doing a lot of our commercial 479 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,919 inspections. Uh and so we would also be 480 00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:38,400 bringing them um into it as well. 481 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,520 I [clears throat] think this would have 482 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,840 to come back to the planning commission 483 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,480 with the commercial site plan to show 484 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,880 that they're meeting um all the 485 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,799 requirements that we set on it. So it 486 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:50,720 would since it's a commercial business 487 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,080 it would have to come back for a site 488 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,520 plan. 489 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,440 >> That's right. Yeah. 490 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,825 >> Okay. And so my question is 491 00:22:56,825 --> 00:22:57,360 [clears throat] 492 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:58,640 so kind of looking at all this I mean 493 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,640 I'm not eager to get into conditional 494 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,400 uses because I'm still traumatized and 495 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,600 probably will be for the rest of my life 496 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,360 about those knowing that a conditional 497 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,320 use just means permitted use. Um, can we 498 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,440 tailor this just to this specific plot 499 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,080 or to a smaller chunk of land? So, we're 500 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,960 not approving it for all of C1, but that 501 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,520 we're just saying yes, 502 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,240 you know, kind of like we do with when I 503 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,000 guess we're reszoning different chunks 504 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,280 of land to allow building. Um, maybe we 505 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,480 create a different zone and we apply it 506 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,440 just specifically to this chunk of land 507 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000 and that different zone allows this use. 508 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 basically 509 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,600 car washes and and by doing that we've 510 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,120 created something very narrow. We don't 511 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,120 have to worry about 512 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,039 you know 15 car washes being announced 513 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:48,640 in the next six months before we can 514 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,520 change anything 515 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,520 and we avoid conditional use. 516 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,760 >> I'm not 100% how that works. I 517 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,919 >> I think that would be that that would be 518 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:06,640 an option but we'd have to go back and create the 519 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,360 Right now, we're just looking at doing a 520 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,120 cotex amendment, but we do have to go 521 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,200 back and say we're going to recreate 522 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,400 this car wash zone or overlay zone that, 523 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,679 you know, they would have to come get 524 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:22,559 special permission for to to put on, you 525 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,480 know, wouldn't be like you say on 526 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,559 commercial. They would have to It's kind 527 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,320 of like the 528 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,400 um 529 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080 I'm trying to think of how we've done 530 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,880 that in the past. 531 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,159 I don't think the res because we changed 532 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:40,320 the residential cottage. It's it's not 533 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,320 um it's a zone we have but we don't have 534 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,840 it. We don't have parcels zoned as res. 535 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,080 So we could create a car wash zone type 536 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,880 thing 537 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,039 >> and say you can have a car wash but you 538 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:52,320 have to come ask for that zone change. 539 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,520 You can always say no. 540 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,880 >> Exactly. That's kind of what I'm seeing 541 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,720 as an ideal situation. 542 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,720 We've had people come and want to build 543 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,039 their family 544 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:27,669 propertest. 545 00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:30,240 I think the the take away from staff if 546 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,480 I were to recap it that there isn't a 547 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,840 concern with this car wash there's the 548 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240 concern of what we ended up with in some 549 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,440 of the other ones and so I think 550 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,080 relating to you know changing code to 551 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,679 allow this one I don't foresee as a huge 552 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:51,200 deal I think what what we're worried 553 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,679 about the consensus across this team is 554 00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:55,440 just 555 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,640 How do we keep from, you know, what's 556 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,600 the right way to grow responsibly? And I 557 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,120 think most of us are a little nervous 558 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,760 about adding multiple car washes to the 559 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,919 city of Francis, which again, I don't 560 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:11,840 know that that's super realistic anytime 561 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840 soon, but we also said that about 562 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,200 another conditional use, so who knows? 563 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,240 See, I'm [clears throat] trying to 564 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,600 remember. It seems like we kind of 565 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,440 talked about this with RV parks. 566 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240 Remember when we talked about that? Um 567 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,039 maybe that's something we need to do a 568 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,120 little bit more research in that we you 569 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,480 know car washes we only allow 570 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,000 one you know per so many residents or 571 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,400 something like that 572 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,600 that's something we could you know if 573 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,840 you guys wanted to maybe table this we 574 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,200 could look into that a little further 575 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,799 talk with the city attorney when he gets 576 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,520 back I guess it was yeah we have 577 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760 distance requirements certain number of 578 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,360 yards 579 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,279 wasn't RV parks 580 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,799 I think it was it camps 581 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,960 or something like that. 582 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,950 >> I remember there was some stuff that 583 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,039 » I think we could 584 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,600 >> that would be a language. 585 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,789 >> Well, you said 586 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,630 » I guess 587 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:29,190 Just double check with the attorney on 588 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,029 » stumbling 589 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:40,149 more 590 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:46,950 tongines 591 00:27:46,960 --> 00:28:00,310 goes next. 592 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,679 I do have one other question. Do we 593 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:06,799 think that pet is 594 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,440 a separate use from the car wash? And if 595 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600 so, would that mean that down the road 596 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:21,029 the applicant is interested in pet? 597 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:21,840 So, 598 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,520 >> I'll let her answer, but I think I heard 599 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,919 it. [laughter] 600 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:30,159 >> Um, so we don't have pet wash as of 601 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,559 right now as a use. Um, and that was 602 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,559 just part of our uh initial discussion. 603 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,039 um and the plans that or in the proposal 604 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,840 that was submitted in the application, a 605 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,559 pet wash was not included in that, but 606 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,640 uh because it was a part of our initial 607 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,480 discussion before the application was 608 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,279 received, I included it um just as a 609 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:54,960 topic of potential 610 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,799 >> and I think wasn't it specifically 611 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,960 related to the parking spaces? 612 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,919 >> Correct. 613 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,760 >> That would change the required parking 614 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,950 spaces. 615 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,919 » No, but you recall there is sort of as 616 00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:10,000 they find the uses for that hardwood 617 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,840 development they're having to parse out 618 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,640 the number of spaces so I mean obviously 619 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,200 at some point 620 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:25,990 have x number of so 621 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,679 it's not in the sense 622 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:32,640 I was just 623 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,710 >> yeah no that's great 624 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,320 I think yeah 625 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:50,710 I mean I would entertain a motion 626 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,870 I love it 627 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,559 for a recommendation to the city council 628 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,080 for adoption of a codeex amendment 629 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:15,190 to Francis 630 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:27,350 commercial. 631 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,120 » I was just looking at the allowed use 632 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,640 table that we have. Um 633 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,559 the gas stations 634 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,520 that goes 635 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,360 >> like in the gas stations we put none 636 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:46,070 other located within a thousand feet 637 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,360 » we could add that as a part of 638 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,120 >> you guys that's what I'm saying 639 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440 >> so we we have the motion on the table 640 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,000 but Suzanne's not done typing so could 641 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,399 Scott in theory add 642 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:02,186 >> I wasn't done 643 00:31:02,186 --> 00:31:03,279 [laughter] 644 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:15,029 in theory add 645 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,679 » thousand feet about two blocks came city 646 00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:20,080 blocks. So practically on that map of 647 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,840 our C1 zone, do we know how many? So how 648 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,520 many car washes would that give us in 649 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,039 our 650 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,399 So keep in mind this zone does travel 651 00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:33,279 down 32 when you zoom out. And then 652 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,679 we've got our city center zone at the 653 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:38,799 bottom down here. Um so your commercial 654 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:43,120 use base is all along 32 as you're 655 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,750 considering. 656 00:31:47,760 --> 00:32:01,990 So if there was one there 657 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,600 would get you just past um 658 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,710 Nick's storage units to the south 659 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,960 » and then you know 660 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,600 maybe to the middle of the his other 661 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:26,672 commercial piece. So, ft isn't very 662 00:32:26,682 --> 00:32:30,950 [clears throat] 663 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,880 » um 664 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,360 well, I think there's a lot of things at 665 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,360 play. So, first I want to try and keep 666 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,760 Suzanne from 667 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,600 getting too lost. So, we have a motion 668 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,679 on the table 669 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:47,679 if adding that verbage is gonna 670 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:50,320 with what Rich is thinking, then I think 671 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320 we would be better off adding that and 672 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,679 then closing this motion out. Otherwise, 673 00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:58,720 we need to close this motion out and 674 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,720 probably 675 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:11,029 is there 676 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,360 instead of including 677 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600 extra language 678 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:28,870 include the recommendation 679 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,269 approved. 680 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:40,549 So instead of a language, 681 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,630 » no this recommendation 682 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,669 that's true. 683 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:49,519 Um, the only thing I'm saying is that it 684 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,600 has to probably be because we only have 685 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,360 three. I think it has to be 686 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,799 >> so 2500 ft get you to on the south um 687 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,080 just past where the road goes back for 688 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,159 Circle T where Preset has his 689 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,669 shop. 690 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,430 » 2500 ft. 691 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:33,109 Okay. 692 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:41,280 » Okay. I will second 693 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,240 and then we'll vote. 694 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:58,390 All in favor? 695 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,680 Thank you so much you guys. We uh we're 696 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,160 all still a little shell shock from some 697 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,160 previous things. So, we're a little 698 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,960 gunshy with changing code. So, hopefully 699 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,640 you guys understand it has less to do 700 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,880 with your car wash and more to do with 701 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,240 unintended consequences which have um 702 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,430 left us tattered and broken. 703 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,800 » Thank you so much, guys. You're welcome 704 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,200 to stay to go over the meeting. you 705 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,960 want, but you're also more than welcome 706 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,359 to call it a night. 707 00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:31,520 >> Awesome. Thank you. 708 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,079 >> Um, 709 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,400 >> in our neighboring city, there are three 710 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,150 car washes. 711 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,640 » Oh, yeah. I think that's definitely the 712 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,720 case in 713 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,320 Yeah, they're certainly within that. Um, 714 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,880 >> and again, I think Erin, what I would 715 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,880 love if you could emphasize with the 716 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,720 council is that, you know, obviously it 717 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,320 meets all the criteria that we've 718 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,920 outlined in the general plan, and I 719 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,680 think all of us are all for some 720 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,320 commercial growth, the tax that that 721 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,720 brings. I think we're just really 722 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,599 hesitant on how we change code text, 723 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,680 which is why I mean, I know nobody wants 724 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,440 a conditional use, but then, you know, 725 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,960 as conditional use, obviously, we 726 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,560 realize it can't be turned down. So, 727 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200 it's like, how do we without the 728 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,320 attorney here find a good way to say 729 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,960 like we don't want 730 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:37,430 >> that's completely understanding the use 731 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,870 authoriz 732 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,880 somebody successfully petitions the 733 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,880 council to Yeah. 734 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,040 >> Yeah. I think that's really all it is. 735 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,880 And again, I hope they don't take that 736 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,280 personal, but I think all of us are I'd 737 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,160 love a great car wash and not give my 738 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,359 money to other cities, 739 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:04,960 >> but I digress. Uh, 740 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,480 do you have anything before I talk about 741 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,200 minutes? 742 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,119 >> No, you're good. I'll make sure 743 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,440 >> I have read the minutes and found them 744 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,960 to be an accurate reflection of the 745 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,320 meeting with the exception of how my 746 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,480 last name is spelled. 747 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880 >> And so with that, I would motion to 748 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,400 approve the minutes with the 749 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,160 recommendation that my name be edited. 750 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,240 All in favor? 751 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:35,430 >> I staff update. 752 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,920 Um, I don't have any stuff staff updates 753 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,839 uh for the planning commission this 754 00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:42,640 evening. 755 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,560 >> Outstanding. Scott, do you have anything 756 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,636 for the planning commission? 757 00:37:47,636 --> 00:37:53,910 [clears throat] 758 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,920 » Yeah, 759 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480 >> the crystal. 760 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,160 >> Outstanding. I think that that was a win 761 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,200 for the city and I think I like that there's some skin in the game as 762 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,280 representatives of the city where 763 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,680 there's benefit to us. So I think in the 764 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,119 end that ends up being a very good deal 765 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:15,040 for us. So outstanding. With that I'll 766 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,760 entertain a motion to adjourn. motion to 767 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,599 all in favor. All right.