[0:32] The time is now 602. We will call the
[0:35] meeting to order.
[0:37] Is that Erin? Would you like to kick us
[0:40] off with your
[0:42] >> Yes, absolutely. Um, so this evening we
[0:46] have a code text amendment. Um, proposal
[0:50] for a car wash on parcel RT32-5.
[0:56] Uh so quick executive summary, WDE Souza
[1:00] with Western Endeavors has submitted an
[1:03] application to amend the code text to
[1:05] allow car wash as a permitted use in a
[1:08] C1 commercial zone. The proposed
[1:11] amendment is consistent with the Francis
[1:13] City General Plans goal to foster
[1:15] economic development by supporting new
[1:17] commercial uses that serve the growing
[1:19] community. Uh if approved, Mr. Souza
[1:22] intends to develop the car wash on
[1:24] parcel RT32-5
[1:27] outlined below. Um and so this is 32
[1:31] here and this is in um the Harwood
[1:34] development. Um just to give you a
[1:37] little bit of a bearing.
[1:39] um a little bit of background on the
[1:41] project and then I'll show um some uh
[1:45] maps and examples of what the car wash
[1:48] is proposed. Uh so on June 8th uh 2026,
[1:53] Wade met with the city staff to discuss
[1:55] the possible possibility of opening a
[1:58] self-service car wash on parcel RT32-5.
[2:02] Um, a formal code amendment application
[2:05] was received by the city on July 1st,
[2:08] 2026. Uh, and the subject parcel is
[2:11] currently part of the Harwood
[2:12] development uh, in a sewing uh,
[2:15] commercial zone and uh, the area that
[2:18] it's in is predominantly surrounded by
[2:21] C1 as well.
[2:24] Uh, the applicant has submitted a
[2:26] conceptual site plan proposing the car
[2:28] wash use which includes two automatic
[2:30] bays and three self service bays. The
[2:33] facility would also have seven vacuum
[2:35] stalls and traffic would circulate one
[2:38] way uh to maintain the flow of traffic.
[2:41] Uh during our preliminary meeting uh we
[2:44] discussed several items that will
[2:46] require further attention uh if this
[2:48] project does move forward. Uh and that
[2:51] includes noise um generated by like the
[2:53] dryers and blowers, water rights and
[2:56] usage, parking, on-site traffic
[2:58] circulation, and the possibility of uh
[3:01] incorporating a pet wash.
[3:04] Now, for water shares, uh will need to
[3:07] be clarified and if necessary, amended
[3:09] within uh the five-year start window to
[3:12] ensure proper water rights are secured,
[3:15] both paper water and wet water. And the
[3:18] proposed development uh would also
[3:20] include a water water reclamation system
[3:24] um that has the ability to recycle up to
[3:27] 50% of water use uh in the wash base.
[3:31] And according to the applicant, this rec
[3:33] reclamation system uh would use 8 to 18
[3:36] gallons per wash compared to 20 to 200
[3:39] gallons um which is typically used for a
[3:43] single car wash in a uh home. And given
[3:47] the site's proximity u to residential
[3:49] areas, noise level will need to be
[3:52] carefully managed. Um lower hours in
[3:54] particular may be a concern, especially
[3:56] in the evening when sound will carry
[3:58] further. Um parking and circulation. The
[4:02] applicant has indicated
[4:04] uh potential pet wash might be
[4:07] incorporated uh which could generate
[4:10] additional parking demand. Um, and so we
[4:13] do need to consider parking needs, um,
[4:16] including stalls for the vacuum dryers,
[4:18] adequate space for traffic circulation.
[4:21] Um, and that can all be evaluated in the
[4:24] commercial building permit process. Um,
[4:27] and then the applicant did note in their
[4:30] uh, application that the facility would
[4:32] help meet growing community needs as uh,
[4:34] existing car washes in the Cameas area
[4:37] frequently experience high demand. Um so
[4:41] as we're going through this just keep in
[4:43] mind that this code only allows for the
[4:46] business use case uh and all car wash
[4:49] parameters and commercial building
[4:51] permitting pro will uh be taken place in
[4:54] the commercial building permit process.
[4:57] Um so now I'm going to show um some
[5:00] great drawings and some data that has
[5:03] been provided by Wade. Um so this first
[5:08] uh
[5:10] um map is uh you'll see like the five
[5:14] different wash bays and then u the cars
[5:17] how they like flow in um to the wash
[5:22] and then um aesthetically from the
[5:25] outside
[5:26] um
[5:28] the bays as well as um what kind of the
[5:32] proposed architecture could look like.
[5:37] Here's another example.
[5:43] And then I'll talk a little bit about
[5:46] the water usage. Um, this was provided
[5:50] by the applicant. Um,
[5:54] as far as how their uh water reclamation
[5:58] system um would help um save some of the
[6:03] water and reuse it in the system. Um, so
[6:07] for car um in one bay. Um and I'll
[6:13] applicants here so he can speak better
[6:15] to this when I'm done with my report. So
[6:18] if I if it needs clarification, we can
[6:21] do that. Um but
[6:25] uh so technically one car uses uh 50
[6:29] gallons um per wash times um you know x
[6:36] amount of a day. Um he's kind of given
[6:40] us totals here that for um month and
[6:43] year totals over here, you know, it
[6:46] could use for a month up to um 163,800
[6:52] gallons um and then a year a million uh
[6:57] 965,600
[6:59] gallons. But with the water reclamation
[7:01] system, um he can save up to 50% of
[7:05] that. So when you're looking over um you
[7:09] know the course of the year that can be
[7:11] up to 982 gallons um per year. So um
[7:17] that's kind of what that chart is
[7:20] outlining.
[7:22] And then um this is also for the noise
[7:25] level of the vacuums. Um so the decibel
[7:29] levels uh 5t away, 30 feet, 60, 100 ft
[7:33] away um the facility and um the noise
[7:38] within the bay blower. So, uh just to
[7:41] keep in mind how that would impact uh
[7:44] neighboring properties
[7:46] within those foot distances.
[7:53] Now, I'll go into
[7:55] um city code. Uh so, in analysis
[8:01] of um the commercial commercial business
[8:04] use
[8:05] in um code 184520
[8:09] uh that list permitted uh commercial
[8:11] business use in a C1 zone car washes are
[8:14] not currently identified as permitted
[8:16] use. Uh this code amendment would add
[8:19] car washes as an allowable commercial
[8:21] use. Uh staff recommends that if the use
[8:24] is adopted conditions be established
[8:26] around uh water shares, noise management
[8:29] and traffic impacts. Um and so the staff
[8:32] recommends in the commercial use chart
[8:36] um if that it's a two tier 2 impact uh
[8:41] when it comes to the buffer zone and um
[8:45] that zone uh that tier 2 buffer zone
[8:48] states that um adjacent parcels
[8:52] um within it so there's an AG1 parcel
[8:55] right next to it um that that buffer uh
[9:00] requires There's 4 foot uh farm fence
[9:02] and um a 10-ft um buffer space between
[9:08] the building and um the the end of the property.
[9:15] Uh now for um code 181001 100 off-
[9:19] streetet parking. Um this one
[9:22] establishes off- streetet parking
[9:23] requirements for commercial use. If a
[9:25] car wash is adopted as a permitted use,
[9:28] staff recommends that the code be
[9:30] updated to include specific parking
[9:32] standards for this use type. Uh these
[9:35] standards should account for adequate um
[9:37] stalls for the vacuum dryers. Uh cued
[9:40] cars waiting to enter the wash um and
[9:43] specifically park counts um and layout
[9:46] will be reviewed in the commercial
[9:48] building process. Um for this the staff
[9:51] recommends in the parking plan to
[9:53] require two parking
[9:56] plus two stacking spaces per wash bay
[9:59] and one parking space per employee on
[10:01] shift.
[10:07] Um now for the general plan uh Francis
[10:11] uh general plan fosters um pro business
[10:16] environment bringing economic
[10:17] opportunities to broaden the city's tax
[10:20] base and staff has reviewed the
[10:22] application against the relevant goals
[10:24] and policies of the general plan. And so
[10:26] I'd like to review um the ones that
[10:29] apply. So policy 18 um this policy
[10:33] promotes a positive environment for
[10:35] business to strengthen and improve the
[10:36] city tax base and quality of life. Uh
[10:39] and this is consistent allowing the use
[10:42] would improve the city's tax base.
[10:45] Policy 1C uh encouraged businesses to
[10:48] locate along State Road 32 in existing
[10:51] commercial and city center zones. Uh
[10:54] this is also consistent. This business
[10:56] is um just off SR32 and in the C1
[11:00] commercial zone.
[11:02] Policy 2A is to improve diversify and
[11:06] increase the tax base, seek revenue
[11:09] growth from economic development activities to mitigate
[11:13] residential property tax increases. Um
[11:16] this is also consistent. This business
[11:18] was would help diversify our economic
[11:21] climate and help offset uh taxpayers
[11:25] cost.
[11:26] Policy 2C um buffer commercial and
[11:30] indust industrial uses from ex existing
[11:33] single family residential areas. Um this
[11:36] is also consistent. Um the zone is C1
[11:41] and um surrounding the zone is also C1.
[11:46] Um
[11:47] So that is also consistent um with that
[11:51] policy
[11:53] staff recommendations. So um the staff
[11:56] recommends uh one of three options for
[11:59] the planning commission um to take one
[12:02] of the following actions. So the first
[12:04] the commission may forward a positive
[12:06] recommendation to the city council for
[12:08] adoption of the code text amendment um
[12:11] for code 184520 adding car wash as a
[12:15] permitted use and C1 commercial zone um
[12:19] subject to the recommendations outlined
[12:21] in this report and um staff recommends
[12:24] this option as the proposed amendment is
[12:26] consistent with the goals and policies
[12:28] of the general plan described above.
[12:31] Second, the commission may uh table this
[12:34] item for further discussion and direct
[12:36] staff to provide additional information
[12:38] or analysis as required. Uh or third,
[12:41] the commission may forward a negative
[12:43] recommendation to the city council. Um
[12:46] if the council finds or if the planning
[12:49] commission finds the proposed amendment
[12:51] is inconsistent with the general plan or
[12:53] otherwise not in the best interest of
[12:55] the city um and stating findings that
[12:58] support that. Um so just in conclusion
[13:03] um just a reminder that this is a code
[13:05] text amendment and um would only allow
[13:08] permitted use and all of the um uh
[13:13] building would take place in the
[13:15] commercial building permit process.
[13:20] » Thank you.
[13:22] >> Scott, did you have anything you wanted
[13:24] to add?
[13:27] » Nope. Um I think
[13:29] the the water question. Um that's
[13:32] something we're going to have to dive
[13:33] into a little bit. You know, he's got
[13:35] some suggestions. Um
[13:38] Hebrew City has had some issues with car
[13:41] washes um in the past, not requiring
[13:44] enough water. So, that's something I
[13:45] mentioned that we really have to look
[13:47] into. And that's what we kind of talk
[13:49] about. if we talked with our attorney a
[13:52] little bit, you know, if we had an
[13:53] agreement that if they're using more
[13:54] water than what they originally planned
[13:56] that they'd have to turn in more, get an
[13:58] agreement with them. So, that's
[14:00] something that if we move forward with
[14:01] this, we're going to have to kind of
[14:03] figure out a little bit better.
[14:05] >> Okay.
[14:13] » Yeah. Would you guys like an opportunity
[14:15] to speak? Is there anything you want to
[14:17] add
[14:18] >> if you could? Yeah. And you might have
[14:21] to push the button so the little red
[14:22] light comes on.
[14:24] >> Yeah, there you go.
[14:26] >> That keeps Suzanne happy with me.
[14:30] >> Uh, thanks for taking the time. So, we
[14:32] just are interested in building a
[14:33] professional car wash at the location.
[14:36] Um, you know, it's considered a water
[14:39] smart business. People are going to wash
[14:42] their cars. Um, I myself have been in
[14:45] the car wash business for 30 years. So,
[14:47] we're a distributor. We actually provide
[14:49] equipment to the public and we design
[14:52] and build car washes. So, I have quite a
[14:55] bit of experience with water and
[14:57] conservancy. Water is a huge issue for
[15:00] me as a professional because it's my
[15:02] business. So, we know how to treat it.
[15:05] We know how to clean it. We know how to
[15:06] reuse it. And you know, we know how
[15:09] sacred it is because it directly impacts
[15:11] my business.
[15:13] So, with that being said, you know, this
[15:15] is
[15:18] a facility that is going to treat water
[15:20] with respect and use the smallest amount
[15:23] we can to do a quality job. So, um, if
[15:28] you guys have any questions, just please
[15:31] fire away. Could you state your name for
[15:33] the record for Suzanne, although it's
[15:35] probably on the application, but
[15:37] >> yeah, Wade Souza.
[15:39] >> Okay, perfect.
[15:41] >> Gentlemen, do you have any questions for
[15:42] Mr. Souza?
[15:44] >> I don't think I do.
[15:46] >> Awesome. Thank you so much.
[15:47] >> Okay.
[15:48] >> Um, I did see it's noted as a public
[15:50] hearing. Do you need Is that correct?
[15:52] >> Okay. So, at this time, I'll open up for
[15:54] public comment.
[15:57] Uh, no public comment. Everybody give a
[15:59] closing public comment.
[16:03] I'll give Susan a second because I think
[16:05] she needs to type all that.
[16:12] » Perfect. Outstanding. Gentlemen, what
[16:14] questions?
[16:16] >> So, I've got some questions for you. So,
[16:18] um it goes back to you know water, paper
[16:20] water. What capacity do we actually have
[16:23] a city to provide water and how does
[16:25] this how does our ability impact
[16:28] applications like this? Well, um,
[16:31] [clears throat]
[16:32] like I've mentioned before in our, um,
[16:37] I guess [clears throat] in our when we
[16:40] do planning for the city, we include
[16:43] some commercial use in addition to
[16:46] residential.
[16:48] So, um, we've planned with the ser with
[16:52] the sources and the the tanks that we
[16:54] build to go for the next [clears throat]
[16:57] 15 to 20 years. So if we get a high
[17:01] demand thing that comes in, it might
[17:03] shorten it a little bit or you know, but
[17:05] we just kind of estimate. We just have
[17:07] kind of have to watch it. But um he will
[17:10] have to turn in paper for it
[17:13] >> um to provide the amount of water that
[17:15] he needs to use. Um but as far as our
[17:18] capacity, you know, with our wells on
[17:19] our tanks that we built, um like I said,
[17:22] we should be good, you know, depending
[17:24] on growth. you know, we're already um
[17:26] planning that at the Hidden Meadows um
[17:28] subdivision when that subdivision was
[17:30] annexed. We um got another well site and
[17:33] tank site and we're planning on working
[17:37] on getting that started in the next
[17:38] couple years. So,
[17:40] >> so I'm trying to remember in the past we
[17:41] had I mean I haven't seen
[17:44] [clears throat] the sign go up yet to
[17:45] conserve water because of pump issues,
[17:47] but is are all of our pumps now
[17:50] permanently wired into the power and
[17:52] everything?
[17:56] And in theory, we have an extra million
[17:58] gallons of water per year that we could
[18:02] put to a cause like this.
[18:03] >> Yep.
[18:06] >> That's one question I have. Let's see.
[18:08] So, another question generally. So, this subdivision and this probably a
[18:11] question for you. When I hear
[18:14] subdivision, it makes me think of homes.
[18:15] Is this a business subdivision or is
[18:16] this a residential subdivision? We're
[18:18] looking at putting car wash in resial
[18:21] subdivision.
[18:23] It's commercial. It's Yeah. Yeah. So, um
[18:27] for that subdivision comment, just to
[18:29] clarify, it's for um like the noise and
[18:33] how it would carry um it would, you
[18:36] know, reach some potentially nearby. So,
[18:39] um like here's the zone. So, um the
[18:42] Harwood development is I don't know if
[18:44] you Yeah, you can see it. It's like this
[18:46] parcel right here.
[18:48] >> Will you turn that one off?
[18:49] >> Yeah. This is Kitty corner to where he
[18:51] wants hotel.
[18:53] >> Correct. Yep. Yeah. And so, um, as you
[18:57] can see based on the zone map, the
[18:59] closest residential is right over here.
[19:02] Um, and so the sound does potentially
[19:04] have a little opportunity um to travel,
[19:07] but that can be mitigated, you know, at
[19:09] night and stuff like that. And we can
[19:10] mitigate that to noise ordinances. Um,
[19:13] but predominantly, as you can see here,
[19:15] it's surrounded by C1 commercial. Uh,
[19:18] and then there's agriculture around it.
[19:23] And I think one thing we need to
[19:26] remember is this is the zone change. So
[19:29] if we approve this zone change, you
[19:31] know, he's he's looking at doing
[19:33] something in the Route 32 development,
[19:35] but if we approve this, it can go
[19:38] >> anywhere where it's red.
[19:39] >> Yes.
[19:41] >> That segus into my question. You might
[19:44] jump in
[19:45] a changing table, right? Not a zone
[19:49] change, a codeex amendment to allow car
[19:52] washes
[19:52] >> in the zone
[19:53] >> anywhere in that zone.
[19:54] >> So my question is, should this go under
[19:57] conditional use permits?
[19:59] >> Remember, we're trying to get away from
[20:01] >> Oh, yeah.
[20:02] >> So based on this,
[20:05] >> that's why we set it up, you know, like
[20:07] we did with the tier ones. Remember when
[20:09] we went through that whole process?
[20:11] >> Yeah. And I was and that's what my
[20:12] question was. Tier two, which isn't that
[20:14] what this is.
[20:16] >> Wasn't this a tier two impact?
[20:18] >> Yes, that's what we're recommending.
[20:19] >> And so as a tier 2 impact, it wouldn't
[20:22] qualify to be under that. And I get it.
[20:25] We all lived at the conditional use
[20:26] permit process.
[20:29] But that's I guess that's my hesitation
[20:32] is that we could end up in kind of the
[20:34] same situation. And now I know it
[20:36] wouldn't happen, but three car washes
[20:39] and you know it's not under some sort of
[20:43] mitigating conditional use. And again, I
[20:47] don't remember exactly how all of that
[20:49] works. Um, we are changing the code to
[20:52] allow car washes in all tier two. So, in
[20:56] the event that this move forward, which
[20:59] is like another
[21:01] move from allowed to not allowed,
[21:06] similarly, there's a determination down
[21:08] the road if this car
[21:12] down the road
[21:15] a table to then
[21:18] >> eliminate it over
[21:23] » in the event
[21:25] that
[21:26] >> we exceeded our car washes basically.
[21:30] >> I I have a question that's on point with
[21:32] everything we're talking about here. So
[21:35] my understanding is from I think it's
[21:38] actually on the page that you
[21:40] It's that last paragraph on the screen
[21:42] right now [clears throat] where it says
[21:44] uh all sight specific requirements,
[21:46] building sign, water rights, noise, all
[21:48] that. Those are all the things or a lot
[21:50] of the things at least that would have
[21:52] been considered in a conditional use
[21:54] permit application would have come here.
[21:57] Can you just talk about the process and
[21:59] the staff involved in making what
[22:02] amounts to the same determinations just
[22:04] moving it to the staff side of the house
[22:06] instead of here? Like who all is
[22:08] involved in that?
[22:09] I assume it's you guys, but who else?
[22:11] >> Yeah, it'd predominantly be um myself
[22:14] and Scott in reviewing that um and
[22:18] making sure that that um meets, you
[22:23] know, requirements. We also work with uh
[22:26] an organization called Shums. Um they've
[22:29] been doing a lot of our commercial
[22:30] inspections. Uh and so we would also be
[22:33] bringing them um into it as well.
[22:38] I [clears throat] think this would have
[22:39] to come back to the planning commission
[22:41] with the commercial site plan to show
[22:44] that they're meeting um all the
[22:46] requirements that we set on it. So it
[22:48] would since it's a commercial business
[22:50] it would have to come back for a site
[22:52] plan.
[22:53] >> That's right. Yeah.
[22:55] >> Okay. And so my question is
[22:56] [clears throat]
[22:57] so kind of looking at all this I mean
[22:58] I'm not eager to get into conditional
[23:00] uses because I'm still traumatized and
[23:02] probably will be for the rest of my life
[23:03] about those knowing that a conditional
[23:05] use just means permitted use. Um, can we
[23:08] tailor this just to this specific plot
[23:11] or to a smaller chunk of land? So, we're
[23:14] not approving it for all of C1, but that
[23:16] we're just saying yes,
[23:19] you know, kind of like we do with when I
[23:22] guess we're reszoning different chunks
[23:24] of land to allow building. Um, maybe we
[23:27] create a different zone and we apply it
[23:30] just specifically to this chunk of land
[23:33] and that different zone allows this use.
[23:36] basically
[23:38] car washes and and by doing that we've
[23:41] created something very narrow. We don't
[23:43] have to worry about
[23:45] you know 15 car washes being announced
[23:47] in the next six months before we can
[23:48] change anything
[23:51] and we avoid conditional use.
[23:55] >> I'm not 100% how that works. I
[23:59] >> I think that would be that that would be
[24:01] an option but we'd have to go back and create the
[24:06] Right now, we're just looking at doing a
[24:09] cotex amendment, but we do have to go
[24:13] back and say we're going to recreate
[24:15] this car wash zone or overlay zone that,
[24:18] you know, they would have to come get
[24:19] special permission for to to put on, you
[24:22] know, wouldn't be like you say on
[24:24] commercial. They would have to It's kind
[24:26] of like the
[24:28] um
[24:30] I'm trying to think of how we've done
[24:32] that in the past.
[24:34] I don't think the res because we changed
[24:36] the residential cottage. It's it's not
[24:40] um it's a zone we have but we don't have
[24:42] it. We don't have parcels zoned as res.
[24:45] So we could create a car wash zone type
[24:48] thing
[24:48] >> and say you can have a car wash but you
[24:51] have to come ask for that zone change.
[24:52] You can always say no.
[24:53] >> Exactly. That's kind of what I'm seeing
[24:54] as an ideal situation.
[24:56] We've had people come and want to build
[24:58] their family
[25:01] propertest.
[25:27] I think the the take away from staff if
[25:30] I were to recap it that there isn't a
[25:32] concern with this car wash there's the
[25:35] concern of what we ended up with in some
[25:38] of the other ones and so I think
[25:41] relating to you know changing code to
[25:44] allow this one I don't foresee as a huge
[25:47] deal I think what what we're worried
[25:51] about the consensus across this team is
[25:53] just
[25:55] How do we keep from, you know, what's
[25:58] the right way to grow responsibly? And I
[26:01] think most of us are a little nervous
[26:03] about adding multiple car washes to the
[26:05] city of Francis, which again, I don't
[26:09] know that that's super realistic anytime
[26:11] soon, but we also said that about
[26:13] another conditional use, so who knows?
[26:17] See, I'm [clears throat] trying to
[26:18] remember. It seems like we kind of
[26:19] talked about this with RV parks.
[26:21] Remember when we talked about that? Um
[26:24] maybe that's something we need to do a
[26:27] little bit more research in that we you
[26:29] know car washes we only allow
[26:32] one you know per so many residents or
[26:36] something like that
[26:38] that's something we could you know if
[26:39] you guys wanted to maybe table this we
[26:41] could look into that a little further
[26:43] talk with the city attorney when he gets
[26:44] back I guess it was yeah we have
[26:47] distance requirements certain number of
[26:49] yards
[26:51] wasn't RV parks
[26:53] I think it was it camps
[26:56] or something like that.
[26:58] >> I remember there was some stuff that
[27:04] » I think we could
[27:07] >> that would be a language.
[27:11] >> Well, you said
[27:18] » I guess
[27:22] Just double check with the attorney on
[27:29] » stumbling
[27:33] more
[27:40] tongines
[27:46] goes next.
[28:00] I do have one other question. Do we
[28:03] think that pet is
[28:06] a separate use from the car wash? And if
[28:09] so, would that mean that down the road
[28:11] the applicant is interested in pet?
[28:21] So,
[28:21] >> I'll let her answer, but I think I heard
[28:23] it. [laughter]
[28:25] >> Um, so we don't have pet wash as of
[28:30] right now as a use. Um, and that was
[28:32] just part of our uh initial discussion.
[28:36] um and the plans that or in the proposal
[28:39] that was submitted in the application, a
[28:41] pet wash was not included in that, but
[28:44] uh because it was a part of our initial
[28:46] discussion before the application was
[28:48] received, I included it um just as a
[28:53] topic of potential
[28:54] >> and I think wasn't it specifically
[28:56] related to the parking spaces?
[28:58] >> Correct.
[28:59] >> That would change the required parking
[29:01] spaces.
[29:04] » No, but you recall there is sort of as
[29:07] they find the uses for that hardwood
[29:10] development they're having to parse out
[29:11] the number of spaces so I mean obviously
[29:14] at some point
[29:17] have x number of so
[29:26] it's not in the sense
[29:29] I was just
[29:32] >> yeah no that's great
[29:36] I think yeah
[29:40] I mean I would entertain a motion
[29:50] I love it
[29:56] for a recommendation to the city council
[30:00] for adoption of a codeex amendment
[30:04] to Francis
[30:15] commercial.
[30:27] » I was just looking at the allowed use
[30:29] table that we have. Um
[30:32] the gas stations
[30:34] that goes
[30:37] >> like in the gas stations we put none
[30:39] other located within a thousand feet
[30:46] » we could add that as a part of
[30:49] >> you guys that's what I'm saying
[30:53] >> so we we have the motion on the table
[30:55] but Suzanne's not done typing so could
[30:58] Scott in theory add
[31:00] >> I wasn't done
[31:02] [laughter]
[31:03] in theory add
[31:15] » thousand feet about two blocks came city
[31:17] blocks. So practically on that map of
[31:20] our C1 zone, do we know how many? So how
[31:23] many car washes would that give us in
[31:25] our
[31:27] So keep in mind this zone does travel
[31:30] down 32 when you zoom out. And then
[31:33] we've got our city center zone at the
[31:35] bottom down here. Um so your commercial
[31:38] use base is all along 32 as you're
[31:43] considering.
[31:47] So if there was one there
[32:02] would get you just past um
[32:05] Nick's storage units to the south
[32:12] » and then you know
[32:16] maybe to the middle of the his other
[32:19] commercial piece. So, ft isn't very
[32:26] [clears throat]
[32:30] » um
[32:32] well, I think there's a lot of things at
[32:35] play. So, first I want to try and keep
[32:37] Suzanne from
[32:39] getting too lost. So, we have a motion
[32:41] on the table
[32:43] if adding that verbage is gonna
[32:47] with what Rich is thinking, then I think
[32:50] we would be better off adding that and
[32:52] then closing this motion out. Otherwise,
[32:55] we need to close this motion out and
[32:58] probably
[33:00] is there
[33:11] instead of including
[33:13] extra language
[33:15] include the recommendation
[33:28] approved.
[33:33] So instead of a language,
[33:40] » no this recommendation
[33:44] that's true.
[33:47] Um, the only thing I'm saying is that it
[33:49] has to probably be because we only have
[33:51] three. I think it has to be
[33:55] >> so 2500 ft get you to on the south um
[34:00] just past where the road goes back for
[34:04] Circle T where Preset has his
[34:08] shop.
[34:13] » 2500 ft.
[34:17] Okay.
[34:33] » Okay. I will second
[34:41] and then we'll vote.
[34:44] All in favor?
[34:58] Thank you so much you guys. We uh we're
[35:01] all still a little shell shock from some
[35:04] previous things. So, we're a little
[35:06] gunshy with changing code. So, hopefully
[35:08] you guys understand it has less to do
[35:10] with your car wash and more to do with
[35:12] unintended consequences which have um
[35:16] left us tattered and broken.
[35:21] » Thank you so much, guys. You're welcome
[35:22] to stay to go over the meeting. you
[35:25] want, but you're also more than welcome
[35:26] to call it a night.
[35:29] >> Awesome. Thank you.
[35:31] >> Um,
[35:34] >> in our neighboring city, there are three
[35:36] car washes.
[35:40] » Oh, yeah. I think that's definitely the
[35:42] case in
[35:44] Yeah, they're certainly within that. Um,
[35:48] >> and again, I think Erin, what I would
[35:50] love if you could emphasize with the
[35:52] council is that, you know, obviously it
[35:54] meets all the criteria that we've
[35:56] outlined in the general plan, and I
[35:57] think all of us are all for some
[35:59] commercial growth, the tax that that
[36:02] brings. I think we're just really
[36:04] hesitant on how we change code text,
[36:07] which is why I mean, I know nobody wants
[36:09] a conditional use, but then, you know,
[36:11] as conditional use, obviously, we
[36:12] realize it can't be turned down. So,
[36:14] it's like, how do we without the
[36:17] attorney here find a good way to say
[36:20] like we don't want
[36:22] >> that's completely understanding the use
[36:37] authoriz
[36:42] somebody successfully petitions the
[36:44] council to Yeah.
[36:48] >> Yeah. I think that's really all it is.
[36:51] And again, I hope they don't take that
[36:52] personal, but I think all of us are I'd
[36:55] love a great car wash and not give my
[36:58] money to other cities,
[37:01] >> but I digress. Uh,
[37:04] do you have anything before I talk about
[37:06] minutes?
[37:07] >> No, you're good. I'll make sure
[37:09] >> I have read the minutes and found them
[37:11] to be an accurate reflection of the
[37:12] meeting with the exception of how my
[37:14] last name is spelled.
[37:16] >> And so with that, I would motion to
[37:18] approve the minutes with the
[37:20] recommendation that my name be edited.
[37:24] All in favor?
[37:26] >> I staff update.
[37:35] Um, I don't have any stuff staff updates
[37:39] uh for the planning commission this
[37:41] evening.
[37:42] >> Outstanding. Scott, do you have anything
[37:44] for the planning commission?
[37:47] [clears throat]
[37:53] » Yeah,
[37:55] >> the crystal.
[37:58] >> Outstanding. I think that that was a win
[38:00] for the city and I think I like that there's some skin in the game as
[38:05] representatives of the city where
[38:07] there's benefit to us. So I think in the
[38:09] end that ends up being a very good deal
[38:11] for us. So outstanding. With that I'll
[38:15] entertain a motion to adjourn. motion to
[38:19] all in favor. All right.