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Thank you, Joey, and welcome everybody. Well, we got great audio tonight, haven't we? So, welcome to the

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work session for the Board of Mayor and Alderman, July 9th, 2024. But we'll be right ahead of

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good force. We're going to call the roll, Alderman Barnhill, President, Alderman Blanton,

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All in Caesar.

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love it.

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All in Burger, Vice Mayor Brown.

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All in Pods, President.

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The Mayor's here also.

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I had no speaker card for comments.

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I do have one for later on.

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On the agenda, so we'll go right to Franklin tomorrow.

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of the Vision City Conference October 2024.

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Come right up.

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Hey there, I'm Mindy Tate, C.L.

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Franklin Mar, and I have with me tonight

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Trista Ashworth Harris, our board chair for this year.

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And we're here to talk to you tonight

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about our Vision City Conference,

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which will be October 15th through 17th here in Franklin.

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And so we've got a little PowerPoint and I'll turn it over

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to receive a sort of talk through that.

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Okay, we have done vision city visits for several years now.

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Just an opportunity for us to go and learn from other cities and communities about what's

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worked well for them, what we can learn from them about continuing to make Franklin better.

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We've been to places like Carmel, Indiana, Greenville, South Carolina, Serenbe, Georgia,

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and last year we went to Huntsville, Alabama.

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And so all of those have brought us a lot of good information, but what we learned is we go

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around to some of those cities is that many people say you're coming to visit us.

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We think Franklin is the best city ever and they talk so much about what we bring to the

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table and what they want to learn from us.

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So we believe this vision city conference is an opportunity for us to have the conference here in Franklin to allow people who we've visited before to come here as well as others who have the desire to learn from Franklin and bring folks together where we can all speak to this idea of what the city's futures should look like and what we can learn from each other.

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So we are planning a vision city conference here in Franklin.

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We are currently looking at October 15th through the 17th as our dates.

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We will use if we go to this slide kind of a downtown campus concept.

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And we will be looking at 150 to 200 attendees based on what we know so far.

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And we will use the Harpeth Hotel as kind of our key hotel with another hotel in the North

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McEun area, the Spring Hill Sweets there, as our secondary hotel so that we have plenty

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of overflow space.

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And so we'll be looking at the Franklin Theatre as well as Liuri Hall at the factory, as

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to key locations where we'll be having some of our meetings as well as taking the group

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out to visit some areas in the community like West Haven where C. Side Institute who was

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here in 2004 as well as in 2005 was here at the time that West Haven was being planned.

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This is an opportunity for us to revisit that as part of our conference.

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And as Theresa mentioned C. Side was here in 2004 and 2005. They're very excited. Just in the

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Last 10 days, we each have released information to our groups and our mailing list, via email,

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and we have had about 50 people reply to us expressing interest in participating, and those

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are from not just from the seaside, it's to area, but also from Virginia, from other parts

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of Florida, South Carolina, as well as across the state of Tennessee.

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So, we're excited and we do think that we will have that 150 or so attendees here.

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We chose to do the downtown campus concept because it allows for walkability, it allows

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for sustainability, which are all tenants of C-side institute.

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Many of you visited C-side Florida, C-side is the institute.

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They have three core values, sustainability, connectivity, and adaptability.

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And so, we're excited to work with them again, Kristi Milliken, their Executive Director at Hope to be here tonight,

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but had a family situation she could not avoid being part of that.

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So, we are excited to bring them back to Franklin that they are excited to be here.

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We are still finalizing the agenda, but we do have some speakers that some of these will be familiar names to you if you've participated in our trips in the past.

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Mayor Knox White, the Mayor of Greenville, South Carolina, also former Mayor of Carmel and

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Indiana, James Briner, who was our first, that was our first trip was to Carmel and Indiana

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many years ago.

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He'll be with us and then Micah Davis, who's the Vice President of the C-SIDE community

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development corporation, but also the son of the C-SIDE founder Robert Davis, and so he

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has lived at C-SIDE or enjoyed that in his entire life, as well as his family has lived in

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other locations. And then finally, what we can confirm at this point is architect and urbanist

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D.R. Tondy. And D.R. is excited about coming to Franklin. He did come either in 2004

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or 2005. But he's also kind of the history of C.S.R. has recorded that, and we'll be speaking

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on that, because our topic is how history impacts the future. So what you'll see over the

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three days of that conference, are we will tell the story of why Franklin Matters, both from

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the past and why Matters today. But also what C-Sod has accomplished on the Emerald Coast

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as the first of the three purils of the Emerald Coast, those are C-Sod, Alice Beach and

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Rosemary Beach all developed by the Davis family. We are hopeful that Robert Davis, the founder,

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we'll join us and we are hopeful that we'll be able to announce some more luminaries in the

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field of design and development and planning. But our topics are going to be live Franklin

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Matters, critical development issues. We are going to have some mobile workshops and then how

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cities are creating quality of life. And so we're excited to have those mayors. We have invited

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Huntsville Mayor Tommy Bottle to join us, but we haven't had a confirmation from him. He's in the

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of a campaign, I think, and so we're looking at that and are excited to bring this conference

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to Franklin. As we said in our original email, the cost for the three days including the

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meals would be $400 per person. That doesn't include your lodging. That's why we presented

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two options for lodging to those who might not be able to stay at the Harpith, but want to stay

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in a very unique area and that's McEwen, but also we are doing a per day right for locals

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or individuals who might want to attend for a specific speaker or program, and that'll

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be $150 a day.

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So we appreciate the support that we've received from our presenting partners so far, and those

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include Atmos Energy, Tensy Valley Authority, and Reagan Smith, which is a paid Dawson

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company and we have had support from Eric and organizing this and we feel the city can be

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built as a presenting partner as well. So I'm open to questions or suggestions. We know

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you have a long meeting but we're open to questions or suggestions if you've attended a past

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event or a speaker you'd like to see us maybe pursue for this event. I don't have any suggestions.

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I just want to say I've been on all the trips but one and that was unspool and this is something

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you've dreamed about for a long time. I'm one that likes to go on the trip, but that's okay.

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So I'm really excited to see this come to fruition for Frank Lundamaro, but also our community

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because I do think as we've gone on all these trips, that sentiment is always there.

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But it's amazing we're coming to try to learn from them, but I'm excited about it. So congratulations.

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Thanks, Max.

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Growth in infrastructure alignment and future wastewater capacity discussion.

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So we have some team members coming up and I'll make a few comments to get us started.

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And this is really fitting following some of the comments many made and the thought and the type of planning that Franklin has done and continues to do.

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good planning and long-term thinking has been a hallmark of Franklin and of our success.

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More specifically connecting growth management and infrastructure planning and implementation

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has been critical. Tonight we want to walk through some components about what we've assumed,

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what is underlying as we look forward to what we put in place in infrastructure specifically,

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waste water capacity and how that relates to our land use planning.

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The absorption we see in terms of the amount of development that has happened,

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what has been approved, and really sets the table for some policy discussion for the board.

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Really, I'd say through the balance of this year that sets the tone.

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About where we go with infrastructure, where we may need to think about policy,

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how you handle a vesting extension request or how you handle different other elements that

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you see come forward on a regular course of business that you may want to step back and have a

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broader perspective on. So we're not asking for decisions tonight but we are putting some pretty

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important information in front of you to help kind of set the stage put in your thought process

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later this month we're going to be working on the next steps in the update of our strategic plan.

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I think this will be really important of that.

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It's not a mistake that this is on tonight as we get ready to do that work through the balance

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of this month and beyond.

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And so again, take this in, ask us questions, think about the things that you'll want

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to have help inform your guidance to us as we move forward.

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So, our team's been working on this and it's a great example of how we try to sync up

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the infrastructure planning side and the land use planning and development services side together

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so that they do work well and in concert. So I'll turn it over to the team here and we'll walk you

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through these components and answer any questions as we go through. So take it away.

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So hey, good evening. So I brought a brand is my assistant director who's on a lot of

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So we're going to go through kind of what Eric talked about, but as we started kind of putting

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this presentation together in preparation for all of your strategic planning workshops,

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we realized that there is four of you that were not a part of the IWRP process, right?

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And it was a, as the other four can attest, it was a very large and a great kind of stakeholder

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process. I see Brandy and Clyde are both shaking their head. So we're going to kind of talk

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just very briefly about that and we'll have some questions about that. And then we're going to

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kind of talk about the historical growth trends, what Emily and her planning department has seen

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annexations that we've had. Our existing capacity that's in line with growth expectations. And then

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brands at a lot of calculations on the existing facility and what we have available with what compares

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to what the growth that we see, the demand projections, our favorite financial impacts that

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we see, the timeline we have moving forward, and then the impacts to growth and kind

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of how we're going to kind of talk about that as we move into, as you move into y'all strategic

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planning sessions.

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All right, so the idea of your P, as we affectionately refer to it kind of the plan, it was completed

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in 2011.

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I was just a little bit over a decade old, and what it was is really an implementable and

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broadly supported plan to meet Franklin's water resources needs for the next 30 years.

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Right. So that planning horizon was 2040. And what it did is, you know, through a lot of stakeholder,

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you know, kind of engagement from not just, you know, not just city staff and, you know, it was Franklin tomorrow.

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It was a lot of, um, it was a lot of, you know, watershed groups. It was a lot of academia.

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You know, it was our regulators. A lot of folks kind of coming to the table together to look at how we needed to look at water resources in our community.

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So phase one, set that stakeholder and advisory group and kind of set some of the eject objectives that we thought were very important to the city as we moved forward in the planning horizon and then phase two was really kind of looking at each of those and coming up with specific objectives that met all of those, right?

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So one of my favorite ones to talk about is that the reclamation facility expansion that we just had, you know, some of those objectives were like, you know, sustainable.

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obviously, you know, with the green energy and everything, but really, you know, being able

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to absorb lots of impacts, right? So we have a lot of ways that we can divert solids.

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All of that was kind of looked as we were designing that facility.

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We looked at the harp of the river and how all of the attributes that we have contribute

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to the river, the health of the river. So the water that we take out to drink, the wastewater,

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you know, the treated wastewater that we put back in, the reclaim water that we, you know, pull out.

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And I still don't want to...

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Or as it's conveyed and then everything that's treated throughout the city, so recommended improvements. We have a list of improvements. Most of those have already been done. Some of those are obviously these larger improvements that we're working toward.

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That can be completed with that planning period of 30 years and is really the framework for kind of how we move forward with some of these larger things.

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So, as part of that, so in 2012, kind of when everything finalized and wrapped up, we have

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this, you know, recommendations and conclusions.

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And so two of those recommendations was to upgrade the existing plan to 16 million gallons per

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day, right, which we did, we're done with.

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And then the other one was to build a new Clean Water Facility at initially a 4MGD on the south

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side of town with provisions to build out at 8MGD.

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So I say this now is kind of back in 2011 this is how we have been operating, right? We've kind of

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been operating the water department understanding this is that we were going to move toward additional

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capacity in the future. The plan projected growth and anticipated the demand for the planning

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horizon a 30 years which was 2040. All right, so in 2008, so before the IWRP was actually became

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the integrated water resources plan, the city, and I was not here, but Mark and Eric,

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Mark, probably, and when David Parker was here specifically, set out for building a new

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south plant.

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Right, and that's when that property on the south side was acquired.

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So it was acquired with the intention of building a south plant, but then kind of things,

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kind of migrating in a way of like, let's look at resources throughout our entire community

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holistically rather than just jumping into building a new plant.

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So moving forward a little bit, so the IWRP pulled together some population projections.

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So you can see kind of those 2010 is where the IWRP projected us to be.

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What CDM did earlier last year or in early last year was they actually revised this base off of those same projections

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in the development report. I'm going to expand this to the 2040. So, took our current conditions,

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revised some of those projections, and made this full this graph out.

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The IWRP used a 2.9% growth for 30 years, and the 2021 development report used historic growth

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averages, and which was about 21,000 per decade or 2100 people per year. I'm so I've got all of those

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there and you can see that orange is where we currently are right now so not not projecting too far off

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from where we anticipated we would be so Emily is going to take over some of these to kind

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of talk about how we've we've looked at all of our historic trends to come up with where we are today.

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Yeah so following the WRP and in preparation really for this discussion tonight planning and water

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management study more recent population and development trends to establish more of an updated

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timeline for when a new clean water plant would be needed. So just starting with our population,

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kind of analysis. Franklin has grown from two square miles in the 1960s to over 44 square

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miles by 2022. We're still in the 44 square mile range. We're not up to 45 yet.

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Population has increased approximately 21,000 per decade since 1990.

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and the 2023 population estimate was 90,000, 92, which was about 38,900 wellings.

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So let me just make a broader comment.

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I feel like in the last, I don't know, six months or so,

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we've heard kind of a ramping up of angst around growth.

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I think it's more about the broader regional growth

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3 to 4 decades

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at about 20,000 a decade, 2,000 or so a year

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So that pace is not new to us and we've been able to absorb it because we've done this kind of planning

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We've thought through it and we've been ready to go

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So that's what we want to continue to do, but when people get concerned about it and I understand,

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it's really not new in Franklin.

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We're growing the same way we've been growing.

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And if, in fact, if you look at it as a relative percentage, it's lowered because we continue to grow.

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That same amount against a larger base population.

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So I think it's important to put that in context when we hear that concern and I get it.

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And it's probably true of other places in the region.

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But for Franklin, it's really not new.

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It's what we have been doing.

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And we think it's a manageable pace.

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But it also requires an alignment of the land use

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planning and the infrastructure implementation.

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And that's kind of why we're having this discussion tonight,

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especially as it relates to wastewater.

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So I just, that's something I felt in the community.

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I think you all have to.

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And I think it's important to step back and look at

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what we've really experienced and how this is a pretty consistent pattern that dates back

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close to 40 years.

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So that's definitely true of our population projections, and we'll kind of dig into residential

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grade versus non-residential now.

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So we've had an average of 833 residential units constructed annually since 2000 on average.

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But if you really look at the last five years, our average has gone up just slightly to about

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180 units constructed per year, and we also have 11,344 approved units that have not been constructed yet, which definitely

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comes into play when we're looking at our wastewater projections in our capacity.

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Is that all residential units?

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Yes, total residential units.

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In terms of non-residential growth, when you look at 2000 to 2023, we had an average annual non-residential growth.

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of about 617,000 square feet.

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If you look at the decade from 2013 to 2023,

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that did go down a little bit

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of an average annual non-residential growth rate

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of 525, 900 square feet.

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But really, you see the bigger draw

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looking at the last four years.

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So the average for the last four years

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has gone down to 224,000,

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about 220,000 square feet.

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Some of that is just due to the cyclical nature of the economy and some, obviously, the pandemic,

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but there's also, you know, a lot of redevelopment happening in cold springs, which takes away some of the non-residential square footage and adds it back in.

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So, some of the ways we calculate that, it's not necessarily growth that's more of a net change.

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In terms of annexations, from 2001 to 2010, the city annexed about 7,500 acres.

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But then, really around 2010, we started to see a pretty substantial decrease.

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We weren't growing significantly from 2010 to 2014 in terms of annexation growth.

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There were some right-of-way annexations, but not really any new developments that came in during that time frame.

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Then you start to see some annexations, start to trickle back in, starting in 2014 with a couple singular developments around that timeframe.

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In 2015, that's when state law changed to require annexation by property and a request.

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So that definitely has had some impacts on how we grow and how we annex and grow geographically our city limits.

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You can see in 2019 through 2021 we've really started to see an uptick in annexation

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specifically in the South Lewisburg Pike area in Goose Creek area.

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That's really where the majority of our annexation grave is occurring.

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And just in the last 2021 to 2023 we have annexed 709 acres.

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So we are starting to see some growth geographically, but that really is centralized to particular areas of the community.

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And this is pretty consistent with what we have modified in the UGB process that we've just gone through.

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So this, this does sort of match up with the patterns we've seen.

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So the next slide, just looking at geographically where we're able to continue growing, we did this annexation capability study originally in 2017.

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We did update it, did minor updates to it with the update of Invision Franklin, but we are undergoing a more comprehensive look at it currently.

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And this is what our last version that was an envisioned Franklin really provided, and what

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you see is our short-term annexation capabilities really lie in the West Basin, out how

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I-96 West, near the new extension of my catcher, and down in the goose creek drainage

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Basin, along as 65 in the Peyton-Zill Road, Pratt Lane areas, specifically, where we have

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had a lot of concentrated annexation over the last several years.

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We also have some midterm growth potential where infrastructure is available and can be figured

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out and our services can be figured out through the plan of service process.

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There is some midterm growth potential in the southwest one basin which is kind of going

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out Carter's Creek Pike and then the just west of Columbia Avenue. Also Spencer Creek on the

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northern boundary of our of our UGB as well as May's Creek going out east on 96. Murph is very red.

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So just to sum up our growth expectations are that we're seeing significant growth occurring

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and very far and so along the way as part of Pike we do anticipate future growth east of

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and we expect that in the near future.

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And mix of land preservation and

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developments anticipated in the west basin.

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We continue to see development,

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coming in interested in pursuing

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development plans and reasonings in that area,

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but we also know several large properties

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that are not interested in that one

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to preserve their properties.

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And we do anticipate continued redevelopment

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the cool springs area, the pattern with that is not really consistent, so it's a little bit

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hard to predict and when it comes to something like wastewater projections and the capacity

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analysis, but we do expect to see that continued interest in redevelopment throughout

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cool springs and it may be some years heavier than others that we continue to see that being

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great expectation.

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So what our management did is we pulled the monthly operational

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reports from the Colonial H facility. We looked at every day's flow rate from

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2012, January of 2012, through December of 2023. We established a baseline of what

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that average daily flow rate grew to. Knowing that the development units we have

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place in 2012, and no one want the development units we had in place in 2023. We could form

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a relationship of how much capacity was used up over that time. So basically in a nutshell,

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using the data that we had and using the data provided to us from planning, the rule of thumb

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is about 4 million gallons day of average daily flow while increase every 10 years. So what does

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me and gowns a day of everyday flow capacity left at the Cloud Yates facility, so you're roughly about nine years to the exact capacity.

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Okay, so what we did with our, so with our consultant is kind of just a brief kind of introduction to kind of this level of commitment that we wanted to show you.

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is we looked at the potential alternatives, so we have A3E on the left side and what that would mean,

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as far as how we could kind of mix and match. So we have talked about having a, you know,

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potential portable reuse alternative, right? So that's in that third column that reservoir

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augmentation, but the total capacity of the plant, what we, the recommendations that we're providing

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is between a 4 and an 8MGD plant. So as Brian talked about, if we look at 4MGD for the next,

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kind of increasing our flow by 4MGD every 10 years.

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That would, we're looking at having another plan to online by 2031, 2034, I'm sorry.

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That would be that capacity.

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A 6MGD would give us a little bit more room.

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I've got that capacity until that planning horizon on the right hand side of those rates.

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And then obviously the 8MGD capacity would give us the longest planning period that we have.

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But there are some sort of mix right in there that is that is comfortable with, you

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We've had, obviously we'll talk about their subsequent effects as far as, you know, on

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impact fees and rates that come from this, that we have to kind of all, that will all

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work through.

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Let me just check up, but the southeast site itself has a potential capacity of up to a

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16 million gallon a day operation.

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It's got the size and footprint to handle that size, so essentially what you've got at

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you could build in terms of discharge capacity there.

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Yeah, we did the study several years back.

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When we were looking at the footprint of the park area down there,

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we wanted to have a set aside large enough to accommodate up to 16Mgd.

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Yeah, that's what we're going to say.

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I remember when we set that aside.

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And we made sure that there was enough acreage there for that capacity.

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And you're saying up to 16 as a match these are these are what you would look at as the

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potential first phase at that site knowing that ultimately you could build to a 16 million gallon capacity. Yeah, so this

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To be what would that first phase be and how far does that take you into a development assumption, a development time frame on that far right hand side.

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So the way I've thought about this chart is this is where we talk about kind of setting the target.

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What would that phase B, what size in terms of treatment capacity, which drives that capital

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cost?

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And then from there, we use that as the baseline to set the next stage of sewer impact

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fees and the assumptions about how we structure rate and debt capacity over that time frame

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to accommodate the ultimate target or option that we set for that first phase at the southeast

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plant.

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So that, again, we're not looking for a decision tonight, but this is kind of the idea,

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though, that we need to be clear about what we think that needs to be, so that we can back

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into the assumptions that support and deliver that project in that nine to ten-year time

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frame.

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I wanted to point out, too, that the dollars up here are future dollars, they're not present

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day dollars. So we accounted for inflation and a pretty healthy contingency build into all

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these based on the timing of the construction. What about your permits, if you mean,

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can we get permitted for 16 million yellows? So probably not, I mean, we probably wouldn't

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apply for a 16 million gallon permit to start with. But eventually it would be, yeah. So if you

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head of the class. Yeah.

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So the original IWRP had us eight million more. Eight. Eight.

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So it was a four. It was a four million gallon capacity, but it was about 2029.

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Four and a eight. There was a four by 2029 and then another four by 2040. Yes.

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So what I'm reading here in in alternate E is saying I'm trying to determine if we're up a header behind of our plan

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So I'm trying to think in this makes me believe that we're

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We're actually ahead your absorption good way your absorption is probably a little slower than the aggressive timeline that we if we had in

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2009, but it's not that far off, so but so maybe a couple years

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You know like you said yes

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Well, if you look at adding eight,

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well, that would need to be in place by 2034.

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It gives you development capacity out to 244.

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So, your plant deliveries may be only two to three years later,

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but we're talking about whether it's four or six or eight

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is kind of a determined.

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So it's growing faster than the plant assumed or slower

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than the plant assumed.

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That's I think it's pretty close to on on par but maybe slightly slowly slightly but it's it's pretty it's pretty it's remarkable how on track it really

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Good job when we looked at this

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We were really yeah, well and part of this effort has been and I asked staff to let's kind of revalidate the assumptions and do the assumptions

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We made then still make sense now and also look at the idea of both the concept of capacity

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but also geography matters. Okay? So where it happens and what planet goes to matter? And so

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that's been the mindset of trying to align these and make sure we're checking assumptions in

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that the target we set makes sense for the growth pattern we can support.

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And I just want to clarify too. I'm sorry, Alderman. Okay. So the column on the right

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If we build a 4MGD facility, we would have to have new capacity come online in addition to that

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Facility in 2039. So I just want to make sure that was clear for everybody

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So that's not when the plant comes on that's when the

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Capacity is

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Yeah, so so you would need new capacity and at that period

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Thank you. I'm not to jump too far back, but slide six had the population growth projections and

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And from 2030 to 2040, we're projecting to grow from

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call it one 19 to over 150.

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That, and maybe those are just the lines,

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the green and the light blue line.

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And I want to make sure that if those are,

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which of those lines are we using to project

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anticipated need in the future, out 2030 years?

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Yeah, I'd look at that next slide.

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Okay, so when do you grab?

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So when do you grab?

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Yeah, that is a, that highest line is the most aggressive,

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and that was based on a tasser estate projection in 2010. But looking at that next chart

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you look at at 2040 population number of 127. So thanks for the clarification. And that's

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going to be closest probably to the dark blue one. Yeah more that's middle group. And we've

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always set out in the plan we set out a more moderate growth, a middle growth and a more

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And it's been in that middle ground that it is the actual reality as well.

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Oh, sure. Yes, absolutely.

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Really about the side.

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Okay.

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So we'll move into the next timeline.

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And this is really kind of goes with,

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all of my backends kind of comment.

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This is the timeline that we've set out for

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So, in utilizing that idea of Brian's, you know, four million gallons, four million gallons,

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you know, every 10 years kind of increase, this would be putting, so our initial

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recommendation is putting a new facility online by 234, right?

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And then back at that time frame of what it looks like, as far as having to have, you

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know, construction started, the design started, you know, then we have this permit

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application and review and then the public hearing and public comment period, right?

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So, those are those kind of procedural, through T deck that we have to do is for

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new application. So I think what, you know, some of these can probably happen, you know, kind

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of simultaneously, and I don't, I don't think they're, you know, a very sequential thing

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that has to happen. But there's not, we're kind of the idea is that we don't have a lot of,

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you know, there's not a lot of years to kind of delay this type of decision.

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So this is where we wanted to probably spend a little bit of time. So I wanted to talk about kind of

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the two sets of impacts we can see right. So we talked about in the beginning, the IWRP, how

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We have been, so we have been proceeding with an assumption that we're going to continue to grow and that there will be new capacity available online.

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Right, so that's this kind of growth, the kind of the growth trend.

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So we continue as planned and then we re-evaluate growth every year to kind of determine if we need to pivot if things need to go faster or slower, depending on what that is.

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Brian put a good template together that we're able to do that.

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So that puts a new facility online in 2034, which is we talked about in that slide before is the minimum of a 4MGD facility.

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Now that's we have that kind of play if we want to go a little bit larger to give us that little bit of planning room.

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But then subsequent for that there's the consideration of impact fees and rates and how each of those things and you know cash flowing some of those verses,

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00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:40,440
you know putting an SRF loan is we intend to apply for all that how that evolves into the rates.

423
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:53,900
So the other part of that kind of the separate trail would be to kind of stop growing where we are, right now, which is, you know, not the popular opinion, but we have the existing treatment capacity that's held constant and known new development is added.

424
00:37:55,500 --> 00:38:06,000
So with that, we still need a 4MGD clean water facility online by 2034 to accommodate that growth, right? So that's 4MGD, no additional capacities are granted.

425
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:14,240
And then, there's the subsequent consideration of impact fees and rates, because there's a financial consideration with a new facility either way.

426
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:22,140
But then subsequent from that is limiting availability and annexations and developments, because now we're limited to a 4 million gallon capacity.

427
00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:32,920
So really wanted to lay those two out for you and kind of get your thought process going in probably questions is to how that's going to look.

428
00:38:36,890 --> 00:39:02,010
So in terms of, as we're kind of thinking about the timeline of, you know, backing this up and each step that's needed and thinking about the construction period, I think there's a lot of considerations related to planning that may weigh your decision making as you move forward just thinking about some of these additional limited resources we have with wastewater capacity.

429
00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:08,250
So first, as I mentioned earlier, staff is going through a comprehensive update of the annexation

430
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:09,430
capability study.

431
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:15,290
We hope to bring that forward to you by the end of the year with some new updated information

432
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:21,290
and what infrastructure is actually needed to support annexation in certain basins, where

433
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:28,490
there's basins that are ready to go, ready to have properties annexed and where we're more

434
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:34,030
likely to see that growth occurring geographically, which helps us determine where ultimately

435
00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:38,930
wastewater will be directed, whether it's to the existing plant or to the new clean water

436
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:40,190
plant and the south side.

437
00:39:40,610 --> 00:39:46,110
I've always sort of looked at that study as almost quite the right term by the cost benefit

438
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:52,150
analysis, meeting what is it cost to serve that area and what kind of development are you likely

439
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:59,850
to see come from it. And so, what does that translate into in terms of the value add for putting

440
00:39:59,850 --> 00:40:02,890
the infrastructure in place that makes the development happen?

441
00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:10,730
Another thing that we wanted to bring out is that with some of these limited resources in

442
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:15,750
the meantime, really placing priority and importance, so in evaluating development, plans and

443
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:22,710
it really meet the various goals of the city and thinking through that maybe not every development

444
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:29,710
is equal in terms of how they achieve those goals of the city and really focusing which

445
00:40:29,710 --> 00:40:35,930
development plans advance the best goals and the best practices of the city of Franklin.

446
00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:42,950
And then in terms of besting extension request these continue to roll in and essentially every

447
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:49,070
one has approved, you're extending the sewer availability request associated with that development.

448
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:55,490
So it is something to consider because that does take away from the capacity that we have available

449
00:40:55,490 --> 00:41:01,950
for other development in the meantime. So just something to consider, you know, a lot of

450
00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:07,570
developments have been through a fairly lengthy approval process and at times they run into challenges

451
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:15,070
and they may need a vested rights extension, but sometimes that the number of years that they're

452
00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:22,370
looking at or what their actual development timeline really is important and are limited resources

453
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:27,610
with wastewater as well. So just some things to come. These are some really important policy things

454
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:36,710
for us to flush out with you, literally. I think about this though, vesting in particular. And I think

455
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:43,630
we've always known this is true. Capacity is a precious and limited resource. So every time

456
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:48,130
we approve something, we are allocating that precious capacity to that development.

457
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:53,130
The same holds true when they come back and ask for a vesting extension or you saw that

458
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:58,950
pretty significant number of previously approved units. Some of those are very old. We are not

459
00:41:58,950 --> 00:42:04,630
really certain that those will really happen. What is our process for saying, hey, you've had

460
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:10,050
or you've had 20 years to build this, you haven't build it, that capacity needs to be reassigned.

461
00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:17,330
But having a policy that provides a clear direction on how you want to do that and what the

462
00:42:17,330 --> 00:42:22,970
reasons might be to extend besting or what might be the reservations to do it or that if you

463
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:27,470
provide a year, what you want to see in a year to make you feel like you want to go further.

464
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:33,970
There are a lot of ways to think about it, but I think that's a very important place for us to

465
00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:40,350
develop some kind of policy framework, and would love your feedback on how that might, what

466
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:45,870
might be helpful in supporting you in developing some more specific guidance that gets

467
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:51,510
at these issues, because it's really important, especially as we see the price tag that's associated

468
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:56,970
with providing that additional capacity that we really are thoughtful and careful on how

469
00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:58,030
we allocate it.

470
00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:04,730
Rush mayor ahead you and then I've got Alderman Burger. Is this assume literally a replication

471
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:09,490
plot? Yeah, it serves technology and innovation. The pilot we did worked into this already

472
00:43:09,490 --> 00:43:15,930
or does that need to be applied specifically capacity? No, this would be, so there was those,

473
00:43:15,930 --> 00:43:20,250
there was that third column which said reservoir augmentation. So that's essentially the pilot

474
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:24,730
facility right there is how can we convert, you know, take that kind of treatment to the next level.

475
00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:30,310
But the just a general wastewater treatment has advanced in technology so it would be better

476
00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:34,910
need to re-remove it would be better, you know, kind of just more efficient processes those types of things.

477
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:40,540
Yeah.

478
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:41,540
All in bird.

479
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:45,240
So it's just thinking about your...

480
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,460
How do you go about gauging this best thing?

481
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:55,220
Because there you talk about allocating capacity and you're talking about putting together a policy

482
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:06,720
maybe for reassignment of that capacity. So, I'm not sure understand what legally we can do.

483
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:16,640
Is there a legal, we legally allowed to put, say, limits on this vesting or how does that affect us in this realm today?

484
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Is it different than I was thinking 20 years ago?

485
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,300
And it's a mixed bag because the state provides a more specific guidance

486
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:24,440
That's what around 2015.

487
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,600
Yeah, we got different.

488
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,100
Something like that.

489
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:31,800
Sometime in that same time frame that provides some very specific guidance on how long a

490
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,580
vesting period can be and what needs to happen within that time frame.

491
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:36,460
And now it's changed.

492
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:41,540
So I don't think the things with that before that are a little more of an open question.

493
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:47,280
Yeah, I mean, in terms of vesting extension request, you're not obligated to extend it even

494
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,920
once.

495
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:59,820
If the developer has not met their obligations to develop, to hit their first threshold of development within three years, you are not obligated to extend their vested rights.

496
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:07,770
However, there are situations that arise and we understand that there might be special circumstances.

497
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:15,990
We are getting into the timeframe where we may start to see second rounds of vested rights request to.

498
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:26,910
We haven't had any at this time that we're kind of the point where we've had some that have been granted within the last two years and still haven't made forward.

499
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:34,870
So it's just something to consider at that stage, I would start questioning whether they are truly going to be moving forward or not.

500
00:45:36,250 --> 00:45:37,530
But those are things you'll have to consider.

501
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:46,850
So if you extended that, are we allowed legally then to say if we extend it again, then we're going to put a limit.

502
00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:50,130
And if you don't move forward and third three years you lose it.

503
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:50,870
Yes, you can do that.

504
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:52,250
We can legally still do that.

505
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:54,850
And that's what I think the policy would be.

506
00:45:54,850 --> 00:46:00,110
I was wondering about looking at the context of what the legal framework is, but also where

507
00:46:00,110 --> 00:46:01,730
you want to say, here's what we'll do.

508
00:46:02,070 --> 00:46:07,910
And here's how we look at maybe the first ask, and if it's a return ask, what might you

509
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:14,490
be willing to say, here's what we'd expect to see to even consider a further extension.

510
00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:20,990
I think what's a little more uncertain, at least to me, that we need to work on a little

511
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:25,290
It is, these ones that predate some of the guidance that the state provided.

512
00:46:25,770 --> 00:46:26,370
Right, yes.

513
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:33,150
And there are several developments that have development plans or what work concept plans

514
00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:37,730
approved prior to vested rights being originally adopted by the state legislature.

515
00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:43,490
So we actually had those that never really have an expiration date essentially.

516
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:50,970
So how we consider those in terms of capacity is a big question mark that when we're

517
00:46:50,970 --> 00:46:58,070
aren't do have this, it writes, one thing that staff has always had a little question

518
00:46:58,070 --> 00:47:02,910
on is what guidance to give applicants in terms of how long should or request the applicants

519
00:47:02,910 --> 00:47:06,750
will often ask us should I request one year or two years or three years and we say, well,

520
00:47:06,750 --> 00:47:09,770
it's really up to you and what you think you need.

521
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:17,970
But if we had some guidance and what, you know, there might be a policy that you like us to kind

522
00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:23,630
reiterate to applicants that would be really helpful for staff as well. Maybe a year to two years

523
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:29,150
maybe the maximum you want to grant maybe three years is just too too much. But that's something

524
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:33,950
that you might want to consider in terms of policy. Well, one of the problems I see sometimes is that

525
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:41,350
not one size fits all. And I think that's why you don't just lump everything together and say three

526
00:47:41,350 --> 00:47:47,290
years, boom, you're done, you can't do that, because we have, went through 2020, and we know

527
00:47:47,290 --> 00:47:52,810
how all that went, and then we have downturns, and we have recessions, and we have all types

528
00:47:52,810 --> 00:48:00,990
of things that play into this. So, I think we have to be willing to work and be able to extend

529
00:48:00,990 --> 00:48:07,110
this rights. But there has to be some kind of, in our policy, we have to make sure that we're

530
00:48:07,110 --> 00:48:15,110
all those different types of scenarios. So the board does have an opportunity to say, you

531
00:48:15,110 --> 00:48:22,850
know, the applicant A and applicant H and M come in here and they're totally different. And

532
00:48:22,850 --> 00:48:28,230
there's totally different reasons why. So our policies, I think, have to be able to be flexible

533
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:31,730
enough, but yet at the same time, we have to have some limits.

534
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:33,750
I think you can do both.

535
00:48:33,850 --> 00:48:40,850
I mean, that's very true, but I think you also providing some guidance and framework as helpful to it.

536
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:47,750
Exactly. I think we're filling ourselves with, we don't have, we need good guidance,

537
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:52,070
but we have to have a framework that's going to be able, that we can function with him.

538
00:48:53,650 --> 00:49:02,990
My feedback would be on the vesting. Is that I think that those developments are approved like this 11,000 units, right?

539
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:09,670
Or I guess there's commercial to the vests that's other. But we look at a schedule.

540
00:49:11,310 --> 00:49:18,730
I don't really know what we're looking at. Like we've got, do we have like 3,000 units of single family that are coming up in the next two year?

541
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:22,710
That kind of like a timeline, looking out or like an aging.

542
00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:25,810
Yeah, an aging like so in the next year,

543
00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:29,410
we're going to have 2,000 that come up or et cetera, et cetera.

544
00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:30,810
And that kind of like plan that out.

545
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:34,190
And then when someone starts and meets the, you know,

546
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:36,310
they don't have, we don't have to worry about their vesting anymore.

547
00:49:36,310 --> 00:49:40,570
It comes off and this is kind of a rolling thing over the next five years.

548
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:43,250
If we're still here, those are up for election actually.

549
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:47,950
But I think regardless, I think it's a good thing for us to see,

550
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:52,410
because we know that's going to help us refine this capacity need.

551
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:57,030
And I think there needs to be a policy for those that are already approved.

552
00:49:57,970 --> 00:50:03,730
Vesting policy because you definitely don't want to pull the rug out from someone who has

553
00:50:03,730 --> 00:50:05,070
gotten something approved and invested.

554
00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:11,050
But I think there needs to be more stringent policy for new approved developments from a

555
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:11,750
vesting standpoint.

556
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:17,170
So almost like a different, like if you're coming to play ball now, and you get your

557
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:21,810
development improved and like there will be some pretty rigorous vesting, you know, maybe

558
00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:22,250
policies.

559
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:27,090
But if you've already been approved, we're not going to change the rule, that's a big

560
00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:27,690
change of rule.

561
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:32,750
That's not just a B change, that is a, the whole thing goes, you know, so I think we have to

562
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:35,390
be very, very careful from a policy standpoint.

563
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:43,130
And one really important thing to think about in terms of vesting is that really that first

564
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:49,990
horizon where we often get the extension request is just starting one section or one building

565
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:51,490
of a phase development.

566
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:53,790
It's not even the full build out.

567
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:58,950
A lot of these larger developments have a full build out of 15 years, but they have to start

568
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:02,990
with them three years and pull that first building permit.

569
00:51:03,850 --> 00:51:10,210
So we're not even in terms of looking at what might be already given capacity.

570
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:16,570
We also have to consider that because they actually have 15 years to build out to full for you

571
00:51:16,570 --> 00:51:17,630
You know to the full

572
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:21,350
I think but I think think us thinking about it may not be that

573
00:51:21,850 --> 00:51:24,230
How I just lay that out that could be completely wrong

574
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:25,450
But and that's fine too

575
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:30,990
But like I think we think about that those are the things I'll think about is how is it fair to those that have been approved?

576
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:37,970
But also get some up, you know, get some on their horse and get to go and then we're not sitting here for 15 years with capacity

577
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:44,790
The last question, I want to make sure that this is clear because you said something

578
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:49,250
back on and slide 13,

579
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,120
it was that we've gotten nine more years.

580
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:02,860
This four, I'm kind of getting, it's saying we need 4 million, I've just seen it maybe,

581
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:03,660
maybe I haven't read it wrong.

582
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:08,720
minimum of four million needed to accommodate already approved growth.

583
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:16,180
So on the slide 16, it says minimum needed is four million to accommodate

584
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:21,600
already approved growth, but then back on that slide, it was said that

585
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:28,160
with the, I thought it was approved growth were good through 229 or nine years.

586
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:32,220
Clearly I, I clearly missed that, so is that can you help me?

587
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:39,020
So we'll make sure that in the public knows this too, because that can get really going through the process and establishing a baseline

588
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:42,080
I'd mentioned and doing those mathematical relationships

589
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,140
We've roughly got 3.56

590
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:48,800
Manions of average daily capacity flow left at Cloud Yates

591
00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:52,200
So the whole purpose was telling we'll take

592
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:59,060
Base on the current growth rate of 180 units and that commercial square foot is component that goes with that

593
00:52:59,380 --> 00:53:02,200
Winmal that exhaust that's nine years. That's a nine

594
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:08,000
And we keep a 20% we have to keep a buffer too, right, and it 20% in their

595
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Well, it's a it's a buffer to start the planning process for the next facility

596
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,000
Which we are

597
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,900
What do I do now?

598
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,040
Yeah, all right, so that if and how just did some rough math

599
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:26,100
But in in the PowerPoint, unfortunately in 2012 there's 30,000 900 dwelling units

600
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:29,240
23 there's 38,000

601
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:48,800
that's about 8,000 dwelling units additional in that 10-year frame is roughly, now that's a year or so off, but say 4 million, 4 million gallons is roughly 7 to 8,000 dwelling units, now that's not just dwelling units because we've got commercial too, but we've got 11,000 approved now, not yet developed.

602
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:56,280
So you're saying that seven that are that we've got 3.5 million gallons left, which is nine

603
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:02,240
years, excuse me, if all those, because all those aren't going to get developed, right, we're

604
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:07,540
tapped out, right, correct, correct. There's both what you've approved, what's been approved

605
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:13,420
previously, but then there's also what we have actually seen developed. And that nine years is

606
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:19,680
based on what we've actually seen as like an absorption per year over the last decade

607
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,320
plus projecting that out into the next decade. Assuming that there will always be some

608
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,880
nut. There's always some play with what happens and doesn't happen the timing. It is more

609
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,640
looking at what has really happened and what does that extrapolate out against the capacity we have

610
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:34,980
remaining.

611
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:41,380
Yeah, so it's at the current growth rate, so the current growth rate was deployment,

612
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:46,020
You know, the night could extend now.

613
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Last thing, but I've approved one single family development of any size.

614
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,420
Since I've been on the board, I mean, the popular farms is the only single family development

615
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:01,280
of size.

616
00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:06,680
This current minus Greg Alderman Caesar, but we have approved.

617
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:14,780
I don't know that there's, so do you sense that that is going to change? I mean, I'm not

618
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:19,420
seeing a, we're not seeing a ton of single, large single family developments coming

619
00:55:19,420 --> 00:55:25,960
before us. I'm not saying that growth is going to stop, it's not, but like, we're not

620
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:32,460
seeing the, at least I'm not hearing about and being presented to the kinds of developments

621
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:37,760
that we saw that led to 20,000 people over 10 years, in a single family situation.

622
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:43,820
So there has to be some, and quite frankly, look at our land use plan, and the capacity

623
00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:44,380
out there.

624
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:49,080
I don't know where there's going to be a lot more, just straight up, single family lab

625
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,180
parks and West Avens.

626
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:58,140
We're continuing to see single families specifically, growth, Lewisburg Pike, going kind

627
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:58,340
of south.

628
00:55:58,340 --> 00:56:06,560
And we do have more annexation interests that you will start to see a few more parcels coming in for annexation with development plans.

629
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:15,200
And also where we've already annexed on the east side of 65 in the Goose Creek area along Payton's old road.

630
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:23,480
We do have development interests. There's still trying to figure out some infrastructure issues that exist in that particular area.

631
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:39,900
But when that starts to develop, I think it will come on quicker than probably we really had initially realized, because it's just waiting and kind of understanding how some of the road financing will happen.

632
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:46,220
I think ultimately in some of the water millcroftains, specifically how they're going to be able to serve some of those properties.

633
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:52,120
but once those things are figured out, it's likely that several large parcels, large sharks land

634
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,500
will develop simultaneously.

635
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:55,880
Okay, that's good.

636
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,240
Thank you.

637
00:56:57,340 --> 00:57:05,500
Just to say good point, we are not the water producer, supplier.

638
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:12,580
We are the wastewater, supplier for basically everybody, but all those other water utility

639
00:57:12,580 --> 00:57:20,660
districts you know have their own situations that they are working with and that's not going

640
00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:26,460
that's not that is not going to change that's done by the U.S. House of Representatives.

641
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,120
All right, this is though a few comments in if I could and maybe it's some lessons learned along the

642
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:41,460
way and one of the lessons was from Austin, Texas and this wasn't surcopacity but is road capacity

643
00:57:41,460 --> 00:57:46,720
And they made the decision not to build the roads as they were growing because they didn't

644
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,340
want Austin to continue to grow.

645
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,820
Austin continued to grow and so they have a real mess as far as road infrastructure.

646
00:57:56,780 --> 00:58:03,980
This board and past boards have created an environment where people want to be.

647
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:24,340
We've created an environment where businesses want to come, and, you know, the hold-up right now seems to be interest rates, so when those interest rates drop, I think we're going to see some significant activity, whether it's business relocations or whether it's new plans come and forward.

648
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:31,360
You know, I was on that original, the bummer represented it for originally on the integrated

649
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:37,240
water resource plan, and at that time I think we were maybe one of the few and the entire

650
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:44,820
southeast had had such a plan, and I think back also about the city has always been

651
00:58:44,820 --> 00:58:51,440
recognized as somebody that had a vision and had a long-term plan to get to that vision,

652
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:59,460
And also, they connected all those plans as far as road networks, infrastructure, land use, and so on.

653
00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:13,820
I think it would be a terrible detour for us to not continue to move forward as far as continuing to build out our system for future use.

654
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:22,820
We have a very business friendly community, we have very low taxes, we have no state-income

655
00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:26,380
tax and people, so I want to continue to come.

656
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:31,720
So I'm going to have the good that let's get started tomorrow.

657
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:41,040
It's not soon enough, nine years scares me, because for us went through that process of trying

658
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:50,440
get this plant permitted that we have now and a lot of the challenges that we had, legally

659
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:58,960
and things as far as T-DAC and all the hoops we had to jump through and I think we're much

660
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,980
more educated on this.

661
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,480
On that now, I think probably is the environment for doing it with the state is much better than it used to be. The fact that we just did this multi, I say multi-million dollar study down there where we were.

662
01:00:24,340 --> 01:00:32,520
And I would advocate that we continue to move forward on other things that generate money to pay for what we're doing.

663
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,800
You know, the impact fees, whether it's water sewer, whether it's road impact fee, we got to move ahead.

664
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,520
You know, every day that we don't do something we're getting further behind.

665
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:47,480
And I remember back when we were doing the wastewater plant, we got involved in a lawsuit.

666
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:54,220
That cost us 30 million or something, but just that delay cost us that much money.

667
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:05,000
So, did we not get a lot of money though, given to us on the one that we just finished?

668
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,080
We had a lot of state reviving it on money.

669
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:12,460
We had two of the advantages of that in a very, very low interest rate.

670
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:17,620
Yeah, compared to what we would have gotten in the market for our utility bonds, we probably

671
01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:22,040
saved 30 to 40 million over the lives of that borrowing.

672
01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:26,940
So that's what we're working to make sure we can provide for in this.

673
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,060
We have gotten some offset of some of the planning work we've already done in the project.

674
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:34,600
So we keep looking for those opportunities.

675
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:38,480
We are doing things that are great examples for other communities.

676
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,720
So TDEC does want to encourage us and partner with us where they can.

677
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:44,900
So we want to keep building on that.

678
01:01:45,580 --> 01:01:48,360
But it's obviously significant demand too.

679
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,120
And that's why we're being clear about it and checking in and saying,

680
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:55,840
this is where we are and we've been working the plan.

681
01:01:56,100 --> 01:02:02,480
We've never stopped, but we're at a really important point for that next stage.

682
01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:10,320
Alderman Barnhill. I'll go back just a little bit and cover some of the older vesting

683
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:16,620
lights because we need to really look at it. If someone out there there's been in this,

684
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:21,500
because because even with the interest rates for the world, they're not the 8.9% that

685
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:28,420
were a year and a half ago, I think we need to really look at those, you know, if somebody comes

686
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:32,300
in and they've got a new project that's putting it on and we want to do a three year vesting

687
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:38,500
on that. And we know that it's a 10-year bill out. That, that doesn't concern me as much as

688
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:45,280
it does. The capacity that's sitting out there, from a road stand point, nothing else. From

689
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:51,420
the water from the water, by the boat, from the shore. We need to go back and re-look at those

690
01:02:51,420 --> 01:02:58,120
not advocating to suddenly pull the rug out when anybody who has several million dollars

691
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:05,660
and investment and they just weep or whatever. They would know what whatever was. But I think

692
01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:14,600
we ought to make sure that we understand. I'm not interested particularly in the capacity for some

693
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:22,040
project that's sitting someplace dormant for the 5, 6, 7, 18 years because if I drive through some

694
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:30,180
these areas. I see where I will whatever and know that dirt and gravel in construction work,

695
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:34,860
when site preparation was done many years ago.

696
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:39,820
And we are not getting the impact fees

697
01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:46,560
in the tap fees, whatever else that we need to get out of that. So I would, I'd be more

698
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:54,100
and have a kit to look and see what we can do as far as the existing places where there's

699
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:55,500
capacity to be in take it

700
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,880
up.

701
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,860
I appreciate the work that staff has put in to preparing this and bringing me up to speed

702
01:04:08,860 --> 01:04:10,940
as a relatively new member on the board.

703
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:17,060
My hope is that all of us support the investment to support our growth and I think we all believe

704
01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:22,680
coming in the future. And one concern I have, I think I share with some others on the board

705
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:28,340
is that I don't want us to overbuild because of underutilized investments that are out there.

706
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:35,340
And so helping me and my colleagues on the board make a good determination on whether ABCDE or even

707
01:04:35,340 --> 01:04:43,260
maybe F is the right choice. I think that aging diagram would be beneficial because effectively we've

708
01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:50,100
more than the tenure expected capacity that is out there. And I know that we can't necessarily count

709
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:55,680
on all of that coming in, but I would love to have some best judgments on how much of that might

710
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:03,400
actually become a real pull on our current water treatment center. So I would also say that I think

711
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,300
all of us on this board have heard from constituents that infrastructure is a critical component of

712
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:14,560
future and roads is where most of our constituents go when they think about infrastructure and I would

713
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:19,200
just finish by saying when roads back up it's frustrating when sewer backs up it's a whole different

714
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:25,640
problem and I don't think that any of us want to be involved in the cleanup in a decade or nine

715
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:31,400
and a half years when sewer starts to back up. So I want us to be for four thinking here but perhaps

716
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,900
helping us with a better understanding of those investments would give us the information to give you

717
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,720
better judgment and better guidance. Thank you.

718
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:47,060
This reserve augmentation, I don't know that I, that was in the financial impact slide.

719
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:53,820
I don't know that I understand that quite enough, is that augment is it the, the, the,

720
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:59,660
the, the, the offending the reservoir. So from the, the, the treated. Yes. So it would

721
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:04,340
be sending from sending a small portion from the clean water facility to the water

722
01:06:04,340 --> 01:06:06,260
and to augment that drinking water.

723
01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:09,360
When you and I went through a tour down there,

724
01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:10,620
waters are very valuable,

725
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,140
and so I would love for,

726
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:14,780
it didn't have to be right now because we didn't move on.

727
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,400
But I do think there are two million gallons a day

728
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,340
or four million gallons a day

729
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:25,080
of available water resource for ourselves

730
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,380
to supplement the water we buy

731
01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:29,680
from Harpeth Valley

732
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,420
and or there are some municipalities in our proximity,

733
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:41,700
who could use some water or might be customers as well. I don't know how that works or if it can work but that goes into

734
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:45,570
in my opinion the financial calculus of this as well. Like what do we do with this extra 4 million?

735
01:06:46,340 --> 01:06:52,430
It goes back into the river for recreation. It goes into our reservoir. It goes, is that...

736
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,220
It goes through the treatment process.

737
01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:08,500
Right, right, and that's fine, but this is like water, but an additional 4 million gallons a day of water is very valuable and we're either paying for there's a financial

738
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:17,490
Impact the two or four and it seems to only be a 15 million dollar delta between the various options and so how

739
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:29,510
And that will be part of the next step, so as we, this was kind of just laying it out there and laying kind of the framework for you all to have it when you move into your strategic, you know, kind of discussions.

740
01:07:30,070 --> 01:07:34,470
This is not really delving into all of that financial, because that really goes with the rates, right?

741
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:42,030
Because that really goes with how do we offset the impact fees and the rates that we see to our customers, so that would be the next set of discussions.

742
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:49,690
got some direction? Well, we've started a discussion that will help us get

743
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:55,370
direction, but this is great for us to follow up and give you more data and

744
01:07:55,370 --> 01:08:00,470
more context to help give the policy guidance and the direction of, like I said,

745
01:08:00,550 --> 01:08:04,990
setting the target, which is really what we need to do. I would say through the

746
01:08:04,990 --> 01:08:10,870
balance of this year would be a way to think about it. Thank you. And great work

747
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:11,650
by this team.

748
01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:12,110
Absolutely.

749
01:08:12,690 --> 01:08:13,010
Really.

750
01:08:13,390 --> 01:08:13,650
Great job.

751
01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:14,550
Thank you.

752
01:08:14,610 --> 01:08:15,370
I'm free.

753
01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:16,950
As you would clap them.

754
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:18,930
They'll leave.

755
01:08:19,850 --> 01:08:27,050
Sir at 2024-21 to rezone 44.5 free acres from a state residential to civic institutional

756
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:32,170
with a property located south of Mac at your memorial parkway east of Franklin Road, establishing

757
01:08:32,170 --> 01:08:33,970
public hearing August 13.

758
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:36,510
Thank you.

759
01:08:36,510 --> 01:08:38,430
This rezoning is pretty straightforward.

760
01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:42,370
The property is owned by the city, and its future intended

761
01:08:42,370 --> 01:08:44,610
uses for park land, so this is just rezoning

762
01:08:44,610 --> 01:08:47,010
to bring it into the civic and institutional zoning

763
01:08:47,010 --> 01:08:50,590
district to keep everything kind of copacetic with future

764
01:08:50,590 --> 01:08:54,080
pieces for it.

765
01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:57,140
The applicant supports it.

766
01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:57,840
So, yes.

767
01:08:58,220 --> 01:08:59,800
Yeah, we're in favor of the applicant.

768
01:09:00,580 --> 01:09:01,240
Vice Mayor.

769
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,180
I got asked this question.

770
01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:04,760
I thought it was a reasonable question.

771
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:06,140
So I wanted to ask it as well.

772
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:10,720
I know there's a lot of different overlay districts on this property, not all shown on the map.

773
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:17,860
We said we wanted to project this rule gateway. What are the implications if you expanded the

774
01:09:17,860 --> 01:09:24,460
scenic corridor over that? I know we typically only do that sort of within the limits of sort of

775
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:30,720
corridor, but just curious what that implications of that would be?

776
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:39,940
So where specifically are we talking about this if we just made this if we if we actually put the put the scenic ward or I mean

777
01:09:39,940 --> 01:09:45,000
We could do that if that's the the desire the board. I

778
01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:48,580
The impact would be that if you had any

779
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:55,640
Structures or pavement it could not you could you do trails in crates you couldn't do trails. Yeah

780
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:59,590
So I would be hesitant.

781
01:09:59,910 --> 01:10:02,250
Yeah, you couldn't do trails or trail header and thought that right.

782
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:05,610
Yeah, we're a parking area for a trail.

783
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:08,290
Yeah, if you wanted a parking lot or something like that,

784
01:10:08,290 --> 01:10:12,010
it would definitely not be a allowed as an encouragement.

785
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:16,090
Yeah.

786
01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:17,670
Everybody's going to keep moving forward.

787
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:18,490
Yes, sir.

788
01:10:18,530 --> 01:10:21,390
Adam Fuller is a resolution 2024-33,

789
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:25,330
initiating the annexation process, draft plan services for the annexation.

790
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:32,590
at 37.17 acres located west of Hillview Line at 1247 to Hillview Line.

791
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:37,890
Thank you. The property being considered is a not-contiguous currently to see limits

792
01:10:37,890 --> 01:10:42,430
and is partially within the city's urban growth boundary with the exception of a small southern

793
01:10:42,430 --> 01:10:48,770
portion of the parcel that is located outside of the UGB. And this is a general note the 297

794
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:54,430
acres that we have here on the map and also in the reports. That is for the acreage within the

795
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:59,530
The total acreage of the entire parcel is about 310 acres, so that's just a little

796
01:10:59,530 --> 01:11:02,030
kind of mistake there.

797
01:11:03,190 --> 01:11:08,150
So the parcel is within the development reserve design concepts and envision Franklin,

798
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:13,170
which essentially just means that lacks public infrastructure, public sewer, and it does

799
01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:16,470
not have a road network that could support a lot of additional growth.

800
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:20,950
Invisual Franklin, further states that these areas should be subject to further planning and

801
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:24,490
with planning and infrastructure improvements and public service delivery.

802
01:11:25,390 --> 01:11:28,350
So prior to any considered zoning for the property,

803
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:31,250
anything other than agricultural or state residential

804
01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:34,230
would allow for additional density on the property

805
01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:37,050
and visit Franklin Planet Amendment would have to be approved

806
01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:38,330
by planning commission.

807
01:11:40,930 --> 01:11:44,730
So the annexation and initiation doesn't include a draft plan of services

808
01:11:44,730 --> 01:11:47,710
and that just outlines how the city will serve the properties,

809
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:51,690
requesting annexation and any additional infrastructure that will be required

810
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:57,910
for the development. So with this property, an extensive sanitary sewer based and study update

811
01:11:57,910 --> 01:12:03,890
would be required in order to ensure the pump station and force main our size appropriately

812
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:09,970
and to determine the location of the future force main. No additional density is recommended

813
01:12:09,970 --> 01:12:15,250
on this property until additional roadways, at least those within the UGB. Our annex by the city

814
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:21,190
and our extended to meet the city of Franklin connectivity requirements. Some potential street

815
01:12:21,190 --> 01:12:25,690
connections may be required to remain in the county due to be in located outside of our

816
01:12:25,690 --> 01:12:30,610
UGB and the three connections may require approval by the Williamson County Planning Commission

817
01:12:30,610 --> 01:12:32,170
or Highway Commission.

818
01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:38,190
A portion of the property is located outside of our UGB and while the property lies within the

819
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:43,630
SW1 basin, which was identified more as a long term growth capability in our 2018 annexation

820
01:12:43,630 --> 01:12:49,010
study, there is currently as your wary plan underway to revise the Franklin UGB as part of a

821
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:51,250
possible countywide growth plan update.

822
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:55,950
The update of plan shows the entirety of this property within the Franklin UGB.

823
01:12:56,470 --> 01:13:01,090
So would you recommend that property be annexed once the growth plan is fully adopted as

824
01:13:01,090 --> 01:13:04,990
a property could then be annexed by resolution and not have to go through a referendum process.

825
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:10,870
So while the property currently lacks public utilities and necessary external road connections,

826
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:15,670
many of these potential issues could be worked out through the development process.

827
01:13:15,670 --> 01:13:21,450
So we do recommend approval of the annexation and initiation to further investigate how the property

828
01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:22,710
can be serviced in the future.

829
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:27,290
Let me just add one piece of, maybe, newer news.

830
01:13:28,210 --> 01:13:32,730
The city of Brentwood voted last night to approve the urban growth boundary update.

831
01:13:32,730 --> 01:13:35,430
That is the final jurisdiction that needed to vote.

832
01:13:36,210 --> 01:13:40,750
So all the cities in the county have now approved the updated UGB that you all approved.

833
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:43,370
Think you were the first to do that.

834
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:54,910
And so that means we submit that to the state that's probably largely a formality, but that goes to the state for their approval or certification, and then we have an updated UGB.

835
01:13:56,470 --> 01:14:04,010
So what Joe is referencing is in process and will likely be in place in the near future.

836
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:08,550
So that's good news in terms of having that process done and moving forward.

837
01:14:11,740 --> 01:14:17,020
Well, it was just to prove the final jurisdiction voted last night, City of Brentwood.

838
01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:20,060
So, then it'll go forward from there to the state.

839
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:24,760
I've got Mr. Gamble.

840
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:28,960
If the board wants to ask questions, or I'll go ahead and Mr. Gamble, I think you'll pack

841
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:29,440
at the theme.

842
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:31,940
Would you like to look at it?

843
01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:32,160
I do.

844
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,680
And I promise that it would be sure that I know you'll have a full agenda tonight.

845
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:35,800
So I'll also talk fast.

846
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:39,700
I'm here tonight with Adam Balish with Boyle and Boyle has a simple

847
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:47,320
the team of professionals to look at and explore opportunities for this property that we're

848
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:55,020
calling the Harland Farm. Our request to you is to give us the opportunity to work toward

849
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,460
showing you a plan worthy of annexation into the city of Franklin.

850
01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:08,480
This vote just simply allows us to initiate that process. It is not a vote too annexed the property in.

851
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:14,700
I moved here in 2004 and one of the best things about working in the city of Franklin is when we talk about development.

852
01:15:15,420 --> 01:15:19,660
We talk about growth plans. We also talk about conservation and preservation.

853
01:15:19,660 --> 01:15:25,320
And we have since the day that I was here probably even before I started working in Franklin.

854
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:32,780
We have a new tool in Invision Franklin, which really allows the opportunity for us to start planning

855
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:38,000
for this relationship between them where rural, county, and a more urban Franklin.

856
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,620
And we believe that this is an excellent opportunity to do that.

857
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:48,120
If you look at the second page here, we have highlighted the location of the Harlan

858
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:55,120
Farmers just south of where future Mac Hatcher extension would go and you can see it's close proximity to

859
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,760
City of Franklin services to City of Franklin infrastructure

860
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:08,300
We know that we have hurdles in front of us if you look at the next page here this shows potential connectivity to this property

861
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:16,140
Yes, Hillview Lane is an access to the Harlan property, but there's an existing 50 foot easement

862
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:22,920
that goes from the Harlan property to Centerator Road and Centerator Road then goes out to Old Carter's Creek Pike.

863
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:27,530
There's also a potential connection to Lula Lane.

864
01:16:29,230 --> 01:16:33,150
There's also a potential connection to Coleman Road to the south of this property.

865
01:16:33,650 --> 01:16:39,550
So we're starting to understand this roadway infrastructure and what would be needed to really create connectivity.

866
01:16:40,330 --> 01:16:46,870
not just a Franklin, but the larger community as well and create opportunities for that traffic to be dispersed.

867
01:16:47,710 --> 01:16:53,570
If you look at the next page here, we know that there's a plan for Maccatcher Parkway.

868
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:58,290
We know that it's going to be built someday in the future, but we don't know when we don't know the timing of that.

869
01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:06,730
Before Maccatcher is constructed, the map on the left shows you the interconnectivity of local roads or what would need to happen.

870
01:17:06,730 --> 01:17:14,270
needs to be a connection from Shadow Green to Hildview Lane. Once MacCatcher is constructed,

871
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:18,850
then there's a portion of Hildview Lane that's currently covered in trees that would become a

872
01:17:18,850 --> 01:17:23,550
greenway trail. It would be pedestrian only. It would be set aside and preserved. The intersection

873
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:29,990
in the access to Hildview Lane would be off of MacCatcher at the new intersection that would be just

874
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:30,810
to the west.

875
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:38,610
This is, this MacCatcher infrastructure is a part of the MacCatcher plan. This has nothing

876
01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:42,930
to do with what we're proposing. This is not a proposal that we're putting on the table.

877
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:47,490
This is already something that's a part of the state's plan for Maccatcher Parkway.

878
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:48,190
So, thank you.

879
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:56,440
On the next page, then, this shows you, you're on page 13 now.

880
01:17:57,180 --> 01:18:03,800
On page 13, this shows you the infrastructure for sewer and water that would need to be provided

881
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,780
for property if this area were to develop in the future. There's an existing water line on

882
01:18:08,780 --> 01:18:13,240
There's also an existing water line that cuts through the harlan property.

883
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,460
Some of these lines would need to be upgraded. They're too small.

884
01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:19,520
Now they're there now, but they need to be larger lines.

885
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:28,500
There is contemplation by the in the newly adopted urban growth boundary map that you have

886
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:32,600
removed a portion of land from your urban growth boundary in this area.

887
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:38,180
that area that you've removed is that area developed a south hall that's a long

888
01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:43,420
Carter's Creek Pike. This pump station would really be right at the limit of what

889
01:18:43,420 --> 01:18:48,820
could be served under your newer when growth boundary line. So we're we're showing

890
01:18:48,820 --> 01:18:53,940
that that proposed pump station on Lulu Lane. Kind of everything in this base

891
01:18:53,940 --> 01:18:59,240
and would gravity flow to that point. So we would go and put it there now in theory

892
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,220
and it would provide for sewer for this area.

893
01:19:02,340 --> 01:19:06,020
There is capacity in the line that goes through shadow

894
01:19:06,020 --> 01:19:09,900
green that goes up to Columbia Pike and then goes back

895
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:10,300
to the plant.

896
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,060
So there was always some capacity considerations for new

897
01:19:14,060 --> 01:19:17,740
growth in this area with the infrastructure that's been

898
01:19:17,740 --> 01:19:18,900
installed now.

899
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,680
This has jumped in a little bit of head probably

900
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,380
beyond just the plan of services.

901
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:28,440
But when we study a piece of property,

902
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:32,320
We start with what should be set aside and what should be preserved.

903
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:38,060
The Harlem property has some tree canopy on it right now, but it also has a lot of open field.

904
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:44,720
So our team has done a full analysis of streams that need to be protected.

905
01:19:46,540 --> 01:19:48,140
Springs that need to be protected.

906
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,800
Tree lines and tree canopy areas that need to be set aside.

907
01:19:52,980 --> 01:19:59,480
with a contemplation and vision Franklin for this to be a village green, it would set

908
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:07,500
218 acres in permanent preservation for this property. And so we started with what needs

909
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:12,220
to be preserved. On the next map then we have a plan that we really need to sit down and

910
01:20:12,220 --> 01:20:16,200
spend some time talking with, say, be staff about planning, engineering, really kind of getting

911
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:21,280
down into the nuts and bolts of this. But you can start to see the areas that are really

912
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,600
set aside for preservation and then the low small footprint that development would have on this property.

913
01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:34,520
On the page number 17 then this show is just kind of almost a very simple black and white form.

914
01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:41,420
The areas that would be set aside in green set aside for preservation and then potential for development.

915
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:47,500
We're looking at a master plan that would truly be a place making and create a special opportunity.

916
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:57,140
Then on the very last page, with the master plan, we have started a density analysis, looking

917
01:20:57,140 --> 01:21:04,580
at just simple figure grounds of West Haven versus Leapers fork, and then what this development

918
01:21:04,580 --> 01:21:10,240
footprint could potentially look like within a very, I would almost say, concentrated

919
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:10,840
neighborhood.

920
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:18,000
So, the property it's currently zoned MGA1, which is in the county is one unit per acre.

921
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:24,000
We believe that density within that range would certainly be appropriate to maintain

922
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,320
with future proposed development this area.

923
01:21:27,380 --> 01:21:29,240
Do you think I'm mistured like that, too?

924
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,640
We're happy to answer any questions that you may have.

925
01:21:31,980 --> 01:21:33,580
Thank you all for this consideration tonight.

926
01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:36,750
We're going to keep moving.

927
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:43,870
Yes, but the number of acres is $2.90, because Joey said something was it $2.97.

928
01:21:45,690 --> 01:21:48,870
If you look back to the very first page, $3.11.

929
01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:55,930
If you look back to the very first page, there is currently an area that is outside of your

930
01:21:55,930 --> 01:21:56,850
urban growth boundary.

931
01:21:57,130 --> 01:22:03,610
Now, you can't annex that little triangle here until the state adopts the new urban growth

932
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:04,350
boundary map.

933
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:04,630
Yeah.

934
01:22:05,290 --> 01:22:12,130
We're kind of processing this this plan and this development along like watching these dates and watching these votes

935
01:22:12,130 --> 01:22:17,310
Staffs report contemplates only the area that's in your urban growth boundary. There's actually

936
01:22:17,310 --> 01:22:24,410
312 acres associated with the entirety of the property. So we've got two numbers that are are kind of floating out there

937
01:22:24,410 --> 01:22:29,850
One is the whole property and one is just the area in the urban growth boundary. The last thing is

938
01:22:31,210 --> 01:22:32,330
Thank you

939
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:41,770
for taking this village green concept, which has comes from, you saw Franklin tomorrow.

940
01:22:42,030 --> 01:22:46,150
It was also just all apartments, and while we heard you say that you had to see it, it was a family.

941
01:22:47,050 --> 01:22:51,590
Like, five minutes ago, you said you had seen any single family, so we heard and changed the plan.

942
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:58,830
Wow, you were talking, thank you Adam, but this is the kind of single family we want to see.

943
01:22:58,830 --> 01:23:01,570
This is the kind of development. We know it's not going to be single-fembers.

944
01:23:01,670 --> 01:23:05,270
A lot of people that are scared out there, the village green is going to be townhomes

945
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:12,490
and multifamily, only, and commercial. You were demonstrating so far, no long way to go,

946
01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:19,310
but at least conceptually, you have a lot, and this is the first one we've seen in person.

947
01:23:20,710 --> 01:23:28,610
This is, do not take this lightly. We have put a ton of work into this and so far, so good.

948
01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:36,130
But this is, and I think we'll learn in October at Franklin tomorrow's conference.

949
01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:40,030
Like, make us proud, help us refine this even more.

950
01:23:40,810 --> 01:23:46,630
But this is where we're starting from now with 200 acres of open space,

951
01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:51,630
whereas before it would have been 150 acres, we're starting from much better spot

952
01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:54,990
from the community standpoint that wants to see this.

953
01:23:54,990 --> 01:24:02,370
Thank you, but don't let us down and continue and I know you won't because that's I think you've got the right heart and vision for this

954
01:24:02,370 --> 01:24:05,630
This is what we I think this is what we had in mind

955
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:11,170
And we want to see it in other places because this is what the character of rural Franklin

956
01:24:11,170 --> 01:24:13,190
Can be

957
01:24:13,190 --> 01:24:14,330
I say

958
01:24:15,250 --> 01:24:20,880
the other thing is if you notice on here on this last page you will see that the

959
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:30,980
parcels that are on the outside look how big they are. See, so it would be a very large,

960
01:24:30,980 --> 01:24:37,260
I don't know how many acres for each of those. Well, and the ones over on the left are even bigger

961
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:44,180
than that. So in other words, it's not just talking about, you know, just having everything stuck

962
01:24:44,180 --> 01:24:50,760
and right in together, but it's giving an opportunity to whenever it touches other places,

963
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,140
is to be somewhat more like them.

964
01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:55,800
You're exactly right, and I think one of the things

965
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,780
that is hard to capture at this scale,

966
01:24:58,940 --> 01:25:01,080
I think this is like a 400 scale drawing,

967
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,100
so the scales are very disproportionate

968
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:05,660
for what you're typically used to seeing.

969
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:11,200
But we are, and instead of, I won't say anything negative,

970
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:13,620
but in the other projects in town,

971
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:16,820
but we vary farms, I can pick on a little bit,

972
01:25:16,980 --> 01:25:17,920
because we developed, right?

973
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,220
And so we don't want to just go do another

974
01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:26,880
very farms and how do we create that diversity and housing stock but also kind of do the

975
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,260
city proud with some new tools that are in our toolbox to play with through and vision

976
01:25:31,260 --> 01:25:34,160
Franklin and and uh...

977
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,160
ornament Peterson you're exactly right some of the lot sizes

978
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,620
we've really struggled with to find a comparison in Franklin

979
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,240
we've had to look at Brentwood and other communities in town to find some lot sizes

980
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:53,080
that are one acre two acre five acre lots and not just a 40 foot wide

981
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,860
out of your wrap up because we're talking about whether even to initiate the

982
01:25:56,860 --> 01:26:01,040
annexation which is the ultimate hotst real quickly.

983
01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:04,550
Okay we'll move forward on

984
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:11,110
the item number five which is resolution 2024-34 remaining the West

985
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:15,910
Franklin Park PD subdivision to extend the vested rights for the property located

986
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:23,630
North of McEwen Drive East of Interstate 65, located 6,167,100, tower circle, establishing

987
01:26:23,630 --> 01:26:27,170
public hearing on August the 13th, 2024.

988
01:26:32,970 --> 01:26:36,990
Sorry, I'm a little sad to figure things out.

989
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:45,570
This request is to extend vesting for three years from September 14th, 2024 until September

990
01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:50,370
14th, 2027 to allow, I'm sorry, the map.

991
01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:52,250
There you go.

992
01:26:53,170 --> 01:26:55,110
To allow for the applicant to secure

993
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:57,810
any necessary permits and commits site preparation.

994
01:26:59,870 --> 01:27:01,530
The approval history and project description

995
01:27:01,530 --> 01:27:04,610
is that West Franklin Park fewD was approved

996
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:08,070
by Beaumont on September 14th, 2021.

997
01:27:08,670 --> 01:27:12,170
This plan includes 555 multifamily dwelling units,

998
01:27:12,170 --> 01:27:28,110
approximately 301,000 square feet of office space and 8900 square feet of retail for a site that is composed of 302.43 acres staff recommended approval with conditions of the overall development plan and

999
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:33,130
approved the development plan by a vote of 70 zero. The current status is that this

1000
01:27:33,130 --> 01:27:38,890
plan is within the first three year period and is vested until September 14th, 2024,

1001
01:27:39,290 --> 01:27:44,750
the applicant submitted a site plan for a section one but it has not yet been approved.

1002
01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:50,550
The vesting impacts for this site is that the project entitlements would cease to exist,

1003
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:57,010
stop work orders would be issued if applicable if you do not extend the vesting period.

1004
01:27:57,010 --> 01:28:04,390
A new development would be a new development would need to be approved and would be reviewed against the current local development standards.

1005
01:28:04,990 --> 01:28:09,530
Interviewing the plan against the current city regulations the current plane generally complies.

1006
01:28:10,150 --> 01:28:16,390
The differences in today's zoning ordinances versus their vested zoning ordinance of 12, 8, 2020 are minor.

1007
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:19,710
and would be incorporated into the design

1008
01:28:19,710 --> 01:28:21,430
without major changes to the plan.

1009
01:28:22,450 --> 01:28:23,710
Also a new park land agreement

1010
01:28:23,710 --> 01:28:27,550
would need to be provided for any new plans.

1011
01:28:29,410 --> 01:28:31,790
FNPC along with staff recommended

1012
01:28:31,790 --> 01:28:36,710
approval of resolution 2024-34 by a vote of 620.

1013
01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:38,530
Thank you.

1014
01:28:40,820 --> 01:28:41,540
Any questions?

1015
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,760
Jerry comments, Mr. Groger.

1016
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:47,260
Thank you, getting the mayor, Alderman.

1017
01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:52,580
Um, basically, uh, let's see what Chelsea had to say, basically, we are asking this for extension.

1018
01:28:52,700 --> 01:28:54,140
But it is tracking through site plan.

1019
01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:56,160
So the process and project is moving forward.

1020
01:28:56,540 --> 01:28:58,240
I was speaking on behalf of the north of Raven developer.

1021
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,380
They've been part of McEwan, north side, Franklin Park.

1022
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:02,900
So, uh, it's tracking.

1023
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,360
So this is the reason for this, this extension is because we couldn't hit,

1024
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,380
getting things in the ground, but we're moving through that site plan right now.

1025
01:29:09,540 --> 01:29:09,980
So thank you.

1026
01:29:12,940 --> 01:29:15,340
You drew the luckiest, just hit the luck.

1027
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:15,940
Exactly.

1028
01:29:16,460 --> 01:29:18,300
That's what I thought after y'all spoke about.

1029
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:24,220
I remember what you said, believe me, whoever scared or that's why I came up here.

1030
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:31,180
That was smart, Gary, but I would, but so why, this is directed to staff.

1031
01:29:31,300 --> 01:29:36,000
Why would we not just say, if they're on track, why wouldn't we not just vest it for one year?

1032
01:29:41,850 --> 01:29:42,870
That's a valid question.

1033
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:46,490
We had been to Emily's point earlier.

1034
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:53,270
We had been advising applicants who were coming in not to ask for one year at the time because

1035
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:57,810
because we were saying, oh, we're seeing that it's taking a little longer and then we don't

1036
01:29:57,810 --> 01:29:59,970
want you to have to come back any year and ask again.

1037
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,500
So if this is advice to staff that you want to say advice, less time, we can do that.

1038
01:30:05,580 --> 01:30:07,740
Not advice on this one. I just think this is...

1039
01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:13,240
I think it's as this evolves thinking about if you do a year, what do you want to see in a year?

1040
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:19,380
I mean, you know, you could do it almost staged so that you're tracking that there's meaningful progress being made.

1041
01:30:19,660 --> 01:30:26,600
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Three years is a pretty long time, but we also have folks that have...

1042
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,520
I mean, this is not a green field that has not been touched.

1043
01:30:30,260 --> 01:30:32,100
This has evolved and changed, too.

1044
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,660
So you still got to look at each case.

1045
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,560
And I think as we look at this, we might

1046
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,420
want to have some sort of check-in points down the line,

1047
01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:44,240
but this is evolved to for us.

1048
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:46,040
Good all the way.

1049
01:30:46,140 --> 01:30:46,580
OK.

1050
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,160
Gosh.

1051
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,020
This place doesn't need to be developed over there,

1052
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,380
but I still have heartburn with this.

1053
01:30:55,720 --> 01:31:02,980
When it was brought for us, a lot of things has changed, Gary, since that time.

1054
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:08,560
And we've got 555 multifamily dwellings.

1055
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,220
My heartburn is just out of control.

1056
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,760
I just can't go there anymore.

1057
01:31:16,460 --> 01:31:19,860
And I just think that needs to be rethought.

1058
01:31:19,860 --> 01:31:27,700
I think if they were for sale, but here we go with more rentals, and I just, that's my

1059
01:31:27,700 --> 01:31:27,960
hyper.

1060
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:34,820
And also, I know that this was, and you guys did great work.

1061
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:40,360
I mean, everything you touch, you do great work, and the people in our city that live here

1062
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:46,100
and develop here, I mean, gosh, they do such wonderful work, but you know, we've got a dwelling,

1063
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:51,980
it's just snugged right up to that little lake and snugged right there and it's just

1064
01:31:51,980 --> 01:31:56,320
and I like the fact that you go up in the dwelling and you probably overlook the lake and it

1065
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:01,480
has a good sight but you know I I don't know I just think it needs to be really think it a bit

1066
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,860
be glad to catch up with you if you need to speak but it is a mix of residential or a

1067
01:32:05,860 --> 01:32:09,900
force sale infrared and office in retail. I don't think there's room here. Yeah the force

1068
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:15,620
there is. I think there's 154 sale out of the five five five five five five five five five five five five five five

1069
01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:20,940
five. I've told 150 I think we're four sales. Yeah, so we're good mixed but I just the residential

1070
01:32:20,940 --> 01:32:29,380
acts to activate this campus. It's just nine to five office just yeah. I know we need to activate that spot.

1071
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:35,280
Yeah. I do not argue with you. I think some of the stuff you planned and proposed here is great.

1072
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,760
We just don't have really bad a hard spring.

1073
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:39,280
It's like...

1074
01:32:39,940 --> 01:32:41,360
Ready move off?

1075
01:32:41,980 --> 01:32:42,360
Okay.

1076
01:32:42,660 --> 01:32:46,760
We'll go on to Adam 6, which is Resolution 2024, National 7.

1077
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,140
Resolution is a minted proving development plan for the Preserve.

1078
01:32:50,260 --> 01:32:51,660
It's shared in PUD subdivision.

1079
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,220
One modification development standard for the probably locate West Franklin Road

1080
01:32:55,220 --> 01:32:59,700
and South the various chapel road located at 2247.

1081
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,460
South the various chapel road.

1082
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:11,000
This went to planning commission, they rejected what we approve, and so tonight we'll be looking at it to see if we want to approve again what we approve.

1083
01:33:12,700 --> 01:33:21,660
So, just for a point of clarification, they concurred with two of the additional conditions, but not the third for the removal of the emergency connection to echo lane.

1084
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:29,840
So, that is why it's going back to Bowman tonight, tonight's agenda is because of the not concurrence with the third condition that was added.

1085
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,080
And this really just acknowledges the process.

1086
01:33:33,660 --> 01:33:37,900
It is not really a reconsideration by you.

1087
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,240
It is just, the concurrence closes the loop.

1088
01:33:41,940 --> 01:33:43,680
It didn't happen on all items,

1089
01:33:44,420 --> 01:33:46,400
but that doesn't really change the decision

1090
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,680
the board already made in your ability to make it.

1091
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,420
This just closes up the process.

1092
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:53,060
You've made the decision.

1093
01:33:53,060 --> 01:33:54,200
Do we land or we go?

1094
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,700
Well, you've made the decision.

1095
01:33:56,700 --> 01:33:59,620
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the conditions are still in your decision to make.

1096
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,980
Part of my, just, this is a gift that keeps on giving here.

1097
01:34:05,180 --> 01:34:07,040
Uh, I have one of those too.

1098
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,380
Um, I just want to make two comments.

1099
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,680
One is, um, understand, we've already, we've already done this, but, uh, the two comments I'm

1100
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,320
going to make, one is that, uh, of all the, of all the, of all the things that we did,

1101
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:22,800
a lot of it was for a lot of the county residents, the one item that was for people who was

1102
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:28,640
Franklin and Echo States was this item. And so I feel like this is the one that I need to

1103
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:35,040
represent the most on. I would also say, and again, it's not that I'm flying in a face of public

1104
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:41,460
safety, but part of the reason I think this came to us as an option was because David owned

1105
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:49,860
this property. He's in a letter of intent now in a contract to sell that property. So at this point

1106
01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:52,140
to go back in now, add that connection.

1107
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:53,900
It's not just taking his property.

1108
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:55,560
He'd be taken to property from somebody else.

1109
01:34:55,780 --> 01:34:57,700
And so I think we need to stay the course

1110
01:34:57,700 --> 01:34:58,880
as my two cents.

1111
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:00,960
We've made that decision, and we should keep going.

1112
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,140
In other words, no connection.

1113
01:35:03,860 --> 01:35:06,160
There would be no way to do it unless we took it

1114
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:07,180
from a new owner.

1115
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,200
All right, just a point of order on this tonight.

1116
01:35:13,260 --> 01:35:15,080
While we're acknowledging and accepting,

1117
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,380
what does us not acknowledging accepting the resultant?

1118
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:20,940
Because I'm all for rubber stamps.

1119
01:35:20,940 --> 01:35:23,440
but when it doesn't understand, you've given me a stamp.

1120
01:35:23,620 --> 01:35:25,940
I feel like I should understand what happens if I don't use it.

1121
01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:35,820
The board already made a decision on this,

1122
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,040
and we provided an opportunity for the planning commission

1123
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,920
to concur because it's different than what they voted on,

1124
01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:44,340
but it's still your decision.

1125
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:51,980
So, I think it would really be you look at how you'd be reconsidering

1126
01:35:51,980 --> 01:35:58,320
full matter, and I think we'd end up in a different place, and that would be it.

1127
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:03,960
This is a resolution. Your other actions were much more consequential.

1128
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,260
So maybe John

1129
01:36:08,260 --> 01:36:14,220
I could weigh in further, but I don't know that you'd have to set in place than a whole other

1130
01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:21,620
series of actions to revisit those decisions that were made. So this alone wouldn't undo

1131
01:36:21,620 --> 01:36:28,260
that. Yeah, and I'm not sure that there's a meaningful difference. Yeah. Yeah.

1132
01:36:31,530 --> 01:36:37,930
Adam 7 City Franklin contract 24-24-0159 with Frank Carny of Evans, Petri,

1133
01:36:38,090 --> 01:36:41,110
for engagement agreement for legal counsel for employee pension plan.

1134
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:46,830
Alderman Barnhill and I are on the pension committee. We work with Mr. Carny on

1135
01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:52,750
a regular basis. He's doing a great job for us. And I would recommend that we move

1136
01:36:52,750 --> 01:36:59,310
forward on that and I think. So we'll move on to Adam A, which is Amendment 1, the City of

1137
01:36:59,310 --> 01:37:08,230
Franklin contract number 2019-0122 with SSCH Franklin LLC for Parkland Impact Fee and

1138
01:37:08,230 --> 01:37:14,150
Construction Agreement for R-A-M. Thank you, Mayor. This is just it's just updates the exhibits.

1139
01:37:14,150 --> 01:37:17,510
It's no change in fees or anything, that's it.

1140
01:37:20,540 --> 01:37:23,260
Adam, nine is 2020.

1141
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:42,340
I don't know how you voted, let's see.

1142
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:48,150
You must have voted for a non-concurrents on the,

1143
01:37:48,170 --> 01:37:52,490
you must have voted to have the emergency exit.

1144
01:37:53,790 --> 01:37:56,370
It was 6 o, if I'm reading it correctly.

1145
01:38:01,020 --> 01:38:01,820
We can find that.

1146
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:13,760
So any question, let's say Adam Nann is resolution 2024-61, resolution

1147
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:14,560
operative city.

1148
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,020
Franklin joined the state Tennessee and other local governments,

1149
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,160
the meeting Tennessee, state subdivision,

1150
01:38:19,260 --> 01:38:20,540
hope we all debate on agreement and

1151
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:22,680
improving the related settlement agreement.

1152
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:30,400
This is a new case with CROGR, where CROGR is part of it now.

1153
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,480
And so we'll be getting funds from that.

1154
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:36,240
If you agree, then we would also join a settlement

1155
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:41,760
as part of the main statewide opioid settlement with Croger.

1156
01:38:42,300 --> 01:38:45,520
And it will be a $42 million settlement

1157
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:46,540
for the state of Tennessee

1158
01:38:46,540 --> 01:38:50,180
and we'll get a portion of that over several years.

1159
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,640
And it'll just trickle in as years go on.

1160
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,560
At this point, we've already kind of made the choice

1161
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:57,480
to go with the statewide agreement.

1162
01:38:57,580 --> 01:39:00,140
And I would recommend that we do this as well.

1163
01:39:02,500 --> 01:39:08,260
Number 10 is resolution 2024-59 and a resolution of rising the city administrator approved

1164
01:39:08,260 --> 01:39:13,500
agreements and the use of condemnation if necessary to acquire right-of-way and our

1165
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:18,480
easements for the Maori-Lane North Royal Oaks and Liberty Pike intersection project.

1166
01:39:18,700 --> 01:39:19,540
Mr. Hoosen.

1167
01:39:19,740 --> 01:39:24,260
Now that we have approval on the previous CIP projects, this will allow us to go into the right

1168
01:39:24,260 --> 01:39:27,300
way acquisition phase and have to answer any questions.

1169
01:39:28,460 --> 01:39:33,300
Well, I know we were looking at it, it was pulled off, and we never really made a decision

1170
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:35,500
other than approving the CUP.

1171
01:39:35,780 --> 01:39:42,240
So bottom one, what's coming back for consideration is now no longer up for reconsideration.

1172
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:45,660
I feel like this kind of came out of.

1173
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,120
We added discussion on the design last meeting.

1174
01:39:48,460 --> 01:39:54,340
This is kind of just moving that forward in terms of supporting the previous design and what's in the

1175
01:39:55,140 --> 01:39:59,820
CIP but that's kind of why we brought it to you too to confirm I don't think we have a really

1176
01:39:59,820 --> 01:40:05,920
Confirm the direction took a head count. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this would be an opportunity to do that. Okay, obviously

1177
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:13,960
It's almost it will probably be the cross I die on but I cannot will not ever support this in that area

1178
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:14,660
so

1179
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,340
I don't know if anybody else I don't know I'm gonna go to anybody but

1180
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,320
I'm again I cannot will not

1181
01:40:23,580 --> 01:40:24,700
support this.

1182
01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:28,610
And it's just pretty standard that we

1183
01:40:28,610 --> 01:40:33,790
authorizes this. Yeah. It kind of nation is our last resort. We go

1184
01:40:33,790 --> 01:40:38,150
through other processes, but this does establish that approval for us to

1185
01:40:38,570 --> 01:40:42,710
move forward on the necessary steps to a part right away, further design.

1186
01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:45,260
And then

1187
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:50,680
presentation on new city hall design concepts. We have some folks from our

1188
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:55,320
design team coming up and I'll just make a couple comments moving forward. We're

1189
01:40:55,320 --> 01:41:03,820
want to show you some broad interior design concepts to get your guidance and feedback on.

1190
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:09,100
Some of our staff team has had an initial chance to look at it at one of the things that

1191
01:41:09,100 --> 01:41:15,520
we asked right up front that I'll share up front is there's not a meaningful cost difference

1192
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:20,520
between the interior design concepts we're really looking for your guidance about what you

1193
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:24,840
think best fits the space for new city hall.

1194
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:37,340
So, you know, this gives us the guidance we need to start formulating what that will look like both in the public spaces and in the more staff areas.

1195
01:41:37,940 --> 01:41:40,940
And so this is to get your response and guidance from there.

1196
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,600
There is not a direct cost implication to choosing one over another.

1197
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,980
This just sets the tone about where we want to go and how we want to make it work.

1198
01:41:48,980 --> 01:41:55,460
So I'm not sure this Malay and Anna Ruth and Chris are here with us to talk through it.

1199
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:56,640
So I'm not sure who's starting.

1200
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:57,500
So take it away.

1201
01:41:57,540 --> 01:41:58,060
I can start.

1202
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:59,320
Okay, thank you.

1203
01:41:59,740 --> 01:42:04,640
Anna Ruth Kimbro, studio eight design, design team representative for City Hall.

1204
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:08,220
I'm here just to really introduce Malay Cherry.

1205
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,160
She's our principal interior designer with brand interior design.

1206
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:17,220
And like Eric said, she's going to share some different concept options to get your

1207
01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:23,160
back before she starts selecting into your finishes. So I'm just going to turn it over to

1208
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:23,640
Malay.

1209
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:28,660
Hi, thank you everyone for having me today.

1210
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,000
To pull that microphone just a little bit closer, Malay.

1211
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,260
Second. Yeah, that's good.

1212
01:42:35,220 --> 01:42:39,380
Yep. Thank you very much. It is my first time up here.

1213
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:49,820
So we've already kind of flushed you. I've actually been working with Anna Ruth in our team for the

1214
01:42:49,820 --> 01:42:53,120
of the space planning, making sure adjacencies are correct.

1215
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,320
So we're now starting to get to the fun stuff,

1216
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:56,800
which is the inside of the building.

1217
01:42:58,180 --> 01:43:00,240
So what we want to try to do when it comes

1218
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:01,780
to the interior design of the building

1219
01:43:01,780 --> 01:43:05,540
is actually try to come back and say,

1220
01:43:05,660 --> 01:43:08,600
what do we want to project when people walk into the building?

1221
01:43:09,220 --> 01:43:11,320
What do we want them to feel like

1222
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:12,300
when they walk into the building?

1223
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,620
What do we want to say about our city hall

1224
01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:15,780
when they walk into the building?

1225
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,280
And also we want to acknowledge to the people

1226
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:24,600
work in the building. How do they feel in the building? Do we communicate? I mean, right now in our

1227
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:30,040
city hall, I know you all have walked through here. Right now we have a problem with communication,

1228
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:36,540
community. So how do we make the people inside of the city hall feel? So we're talking about all of

1229
01:43:36,540 --> 01:43:43,680
those things. So as interior designers, what we start to do is to take a look at pallets. So we've put

1230
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:51,060
together a couple of pallets, three pallets to be exact, to just to throw out there to

1231
01:43:51,060 --> 01:43:57,120
you guys to get your reaction on where you think the city hall should go in a direction

1232
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:58,640
when it comes to interior design.

1233
01:44:00,540 --> 01:44:05,460
So we've heard a lot of adjectives, we've heard a lot of conversations about what different

1234
01:44:05,460 --> 01:44:09,880
people think the city hall should feel like, so we've taken those adjectives and made them

1235
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:16,100
to images. We like to communicate in images and less of just words. So we're trying to create

1236
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:24,340
a visual playbook for you guys to respond to. So we're going to talk a little bit about

1237
01:44:24,340 --> 01:44:26,640
the issue. We're not going to really talk about it. But we're going to look at the issue

1238
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:31,500
you're designed. Sorry. This is what you guys looked at a couple of weeks ago. Is this not

1239
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:37,640
updating on your side? Let me go back here. Sorry. I noticed that the screens aren't updating.

1240
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,000
Okay, should we just press it again?

1241
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:52,780
Click it over.

1242
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:54,540
I take care.

1243
01:44:54,620 --> 01:44:55,080
Take care.

1244
01:44:55,100 --> 01:44:55,800
Take care of your mouse.

1245
01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:56,180
Click.

1246
01:44:56,740 --> 01:44:57,120
There you go.

1247
01:44:57,420 --> 01:44:57,680
Let's do that.

1248
01:45:05,140 --> 01:45:08,100
We'll just do that.

1249
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:13,420
It reminds you of the exterior design that we looked at a couple of weeks ago. This is the one with a

1250
01:45:13,420 --> 01:45:19,080
pediment. So they're trying along the top, heartening back to kind of the colonial style, federal

1251
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:24,380
style or the Greek revival that you have at the courthouse next door.

1252
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,180
One of our palates,

1253
01:45:27,180 --> 01:45:30,280
So we have three pallets that you have three slides.

1254
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:34,920
I don't want you guys to focus in on the individual images that are on these pallets.

1255
01:45:35,380 --> 01:45:38,580
I want you to look at these pallets as a whole and as a story.

1256
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:43,040
This will help us kind of dive in in the next steps of design.

1257
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:48,200
So this is the first pallet, which we call Franklin Charm.

1258
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,660
So we've walked around the city.

1259
01:45:50,980 --> 01:45:56,620
We've taken a look at the history of the city and you know, what is Franklin downtown

1260
01:45:56,620 --> 01:46:01,620
say. So we take a look at some of those elements that really go back to kind of that colonial

1261
01:46:01,620 --> 01:46:09,160
design, taking the elements that of wood, of stone, some of those handmade elements to

1262
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:16,200
of downtown Franklin. A couple more images, again, back to the colonial design, casing, colors,

1263
01:46:19,550 --> 01:46:25,550
brick, and details that go back to that design. We also have a picture here of the the courthouse.

1264
01:46:25,550 --> 01:46:38,590
Now, let me ask you in those books, but one of those, if you go back that one, that one in the middle there it looks like that every one of the chairs has a desk in front of it.

1265
01:46:39,710 --> 01:46:46,810
It's just a long desk. Now, the challenge here is not to look at the individual pictures, which is creating a palette.

1266
01:46:46,810 --> 01:46:56,810
Okay, I'm going to quickly run through all of these so we can come back and focus on the ones that we want to focus on and also tell me the ones you don't want me to focus on.

1267
01:46:58,090 --> 01:47:00,270
The second option is tailored neutrals.

1268
01:47:01,230 --> 01:47:11,270
So one of the other things, so we went on a lot of site visits in the last couple of years, a lot of project visits and one of them was the Brent one police department that we worked on.

1269
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:17,550
And the Brownwood Police Department, one of their options that they like, was kind of that tailored

1270
01:47:17,550 --> 01:47:19,870
blue tailored neutrals feel.

1271
01:47:20,750 --> 01:47:25,990
So, these are some of the images that we pulled from there that have that kind of corporate

1272
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:36,650
buttoned up tailored nothing to in your face, but just very gentle, nice, warm woods, soft colors.

1273
01:47:36,650 --> 01:47:37,670
And

1274
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,260
our last option is corporate campus.

1275
01:47:42,460 --> 01:47:49,360
So we heard a lot about having this building feel like a community, feeling like a campus.

1276
01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:55,500
So we did pull some images that were very similar to what we're seeing in a lot of corporate

1277
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:56,560
offices these days.

1278
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:06,800
A lot of modern, a lot of pops of color, we're seeing a lot of just modern places where people

1279
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:08,900
can get together and communicate.

1280
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:15,020
And they should kind of familiar to a lot of the things

1281
01:48:15,020 --> 01:48:16,620
that are happening in downtown Nashville.

1282
01:48:21,290 --> 01:48:23,230
So those are three pallets.

1283
01:48:24,410 --> 01:48:26,930
And I'd be very interested in seeing

1284
01:48:26,930 --> 01:48:29,170
what you guys think about these pallets.

1285
01:48:31,230 --> 01:48:32,070
Yeah, that's good.

1286
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:36,070
I preserve, preserve.

1287
01:48:36,570 --> 01:48:39,470
Prefer the Frank Lundzorn, but I could get on board

1288
01:48:39,470 --> 01:48:42,290
with the second one as well.

1289
01:48:44,180 --> 01:48:52,060
If it was my office, my corporate office, I would love the last one because I like the bright colors and all that, but I think it's a step too far for city hall.

1290
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:59,500
I really like the tailored neutrals. It feels very comfortable, very warm place to be.

1291
01:48:59,500 --> 01:49:08,020
I think you still do the woods that we want to do in there. You can still get some of that that you get in the Franklin charm without feeling like we have to step too far back.

1292
01:49:08,140 --> 01:49:11,560
We can kind of move it forward a little bit. I think it's a good blend of modern and vast.

1293
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:38,020
I like the Franklin charm for the first four public areas and I like, I think there's a blend, maybe, and also, so all, Chris, that one of those options didn't have a ceiling, and so maybe that will save us some money, there's ceiling tiles, I'm kidding, my office doesn't have a ceiling.

1294
01:49:39,740 --> 01:49:46,440
But I think that I don't know that the private and charm really goes well into the office.

1295
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:53,080
And I don't know that that is what the environment we really want are, or people working in.

1296
01:49:53,360 --> 01:50:01,320
And so some variation between the corporate elements maybe of the corporate that could be worked in on the second floors.

1297
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:09,280
with with with some of the soft tones, I don't know, I think there's probably a middle between the last two for the

1298
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:13,480
employee for the for the for the staffers. You're like every client I've ever had. Can you just make a little bit

1299
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:14,460
of it together?

1300
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:19,560
Yeah.

1301
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:26,580
We have to remember this is inside the building. This is not historic Franklin outside.

1302
01:50:27,860 --> 01:50:32,780
We have to live in the 21st century so thank you for doing that.

1303
01:50:32,780 --> 01:50:38,720
But you're bringing in a lot of elements of historic areas, which is good.

1304
01:50:38,980 --> 01:50:42,460
I like the Franklin Sharm because you're bringing those elements in there.

1305
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:52,140
And if you look at the, on Franklin Sharm, that window, the black window that comes all the way down, it's very timely.

1306
01:50:52,660 --> 01:50:59,460
And I'm looking for this whole page right here with, I guess it's, yeah, that one.

1307
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,040
It's timeless.

1308
01:51:03,020 --> 01:51:03,980
That whole thing is timeless.

1309
01:51:04,180 --> 01:51:10,680
And I think that's what we need to focus on, neutrals are good with spots of color

1310
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:12,180
that we have.

1311
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:19,920
This is a disaster waiting to happen because I'm a very visual person and I've been in part

1312
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:27,320
of this career myself early on and everybody has their opinions and it's like getting your

1313
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:27,980
family together.

1314
01:51:27,980 --> 01:51:32,260
what color wall do you want? What kind of, you know? So everybody's going to have a different opinion,

1315
01:51:32,260 --> 01:51:35,600
but I'm a very visual person. I'm going to look at this. I'm going to look at this thinking,

1316
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:42,400
how do you, how do you, how do you function within a stark city inside a building for the 21st

1317
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:47,420
century? And we have to bring the 21st century into the building. I think you've done a great job with it.

1318
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:54,060
Modern, you know, when you said modern in Nashville, that, you know, I know some people will go,

1319
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:57,500
Oh, you know, I don't think that's what you're talking about at all.

1320
01:51:57,660 --> 01:52:02,600
I would not use those words because what you present at us to me is not modern is not

1321
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:02,980
national.

1322
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:04,740
It is up to date.

1323
01:52:05,060 --> 01:52:05,580
It's timeless.

1324
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:11,520
A lot of these things are very timeless and I like the tailored look and I think it lends

1325
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:17,580
itself because one of remind us all we're building this building for the next 100 years.

1326
01:52:18,260 --> 01:52:22,100
Now things will change inside on and off between 100 years of course.

1327
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:28,180
But I think what you bring if you look at all these old buildings that have existed since colonial times

1328
01:52:28,180 --> 01:52:30,240
It's timelessness in it

1329
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,060
But I think you're done a good job

1330
01:52:32,060 --> 01:52:37,900
I just wanted to say I don't want to see you know

1331
01:52:39,220 --> 01:52:42,560
No ceiling in the room and having a two two story

1332
01:52:43,980 --> 01:52:45,440
You know look

1333
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:47,680
Having a two story

1334
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:55,360
look in the four-year and everything they are, and the other thing is that I also don't want

1335
01:52:55,360 --> 01:53:02,380
to see stairs just up out and carved around, you know, in the open and everything, they

1336
01:53:02,380 --> 01:53:08,760
are probably the very first one, the Franklin Charm is probably better for me, but as I say,

1337
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:17,400
I definitely do not want us to have something that a four-year that, you know, just take,

1338
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:26,700
Well, it takes away the second floor for other things, you know, and I think that's important, but you can have them probably okay.

1339
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,120
Aldens, these strong preference for number one.

1340
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:30,440
Okay.

1341
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:32,380
All the spots.

1342
01:53:33,260 --> 01:53:33,860
Thank you, sir.

1343
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:34,760
Yeah.

1344
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:36,020
Alden Burger.

1345
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,240
I liked one of the words that she is, which was timeless.

1346
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:47,040
I think when I look at, if I'm going to rank, Franklin Charm is number one, the word I actually thought it was classic.

1347
01:53:48,240 --> 01:54:01,060
I think that's what we need to go for. We're not swapping out furniture and paints and things like that and 10 years from now, we need to build it for a lifelong experience.

1348
01:54:01,820 --> 01:54:09,160
If we did pick between two, or you did blend two, I did think that the non-public areas,

1349
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:14,580
but where our team members are working, that if we wanted to move that to the tailored

1350
01:54:14,580 --> 01:54:17,320
neutrals, I can be open to that as well.

1351
01:54:17,460 --> 01:54:26,020
But I think that for Franklin's charm, no play on your title here, I think that we're trying

1352
01:54:26,020 --> 01:54:29,880
to balance preservation and progress, and I think that probably doesn't the best.

1353
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:31,020
But

1354
01:54:34,630 --> 01:54:36,030
you're on the bar, aren't you?

1355
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:37,210
No, I don't think you're on the bar, aren't you?

1356
01:54:38,670 --> 01:54:40,290
No, Shardtree's an orange.

1357
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:45,330
How many of you would really like an honest answer?

1358
01:54:48,370 --> 01:54:51,270
I think all three of them are very nice.

1359
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:55,510
I don't think you would go wrong with any of the three.

1360
01:54:55,970 --> 01:55:02,310
I probably just look at what we've looked at, probably would look at number two, more

1361
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:11,450
the others, but it's not going to be, it's not going to go wrong with any of the three that

1362
01:55:11,450 --> 01:55:16,630
you've got up there. I'm sure that there's some characteristics and some hotspots on some

1363
01:55:16,630 --> 01:55:23,190
of those that everybody would like to see happen, but I would probably lean towards the number

1364
01:55:23,190 --> 01:55:29,750
two resitation that we've got. That's probably by the size of the answers you'll get.

1365
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:36,990
But if I haven't been counting votes, I hope I'm not the top breaker, but I tend to lean toward

1366
01:55:36,990 --> 01:55:37,810
the Franklin charm.

1367
01:55:37,950 --> 01:55:42,070
I think it's gotten more of a classic look and more of a timeless look.

1368
01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:47,590
I understand what some of you said you'd like to see blending one of these other two into

1369
01:55:47,590 --> 01:55:54,470
that a little bit and maybe more where people are working, maybe they might feel better

1370
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:58,470
if they had something that was more more new age-maids.

1371
01:56:01,540 --> 01:56:03,120
Thank you.

1372
01:56:03,180 --> 01:56:04,440
Thank you.

1373
01:56:04,460 --> 01:56:05,400
Y'all are gone.

1374
01:56:06,820 --> 01:56:07,380
Good.

1375
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:15,280
Before we move off the city hall, I just want to make a note and have this, I guess, stated publicly.

1376
01:56:16,540 --> 01:56:23,180
And having some discussion with Alderman Baggett, he expressed an interest in observing, participating in the review.

1377
01:56:23,340 --> 01:56:30,660
We have forthcoming with the interviews and review of the construction manager at risk that we're considering in this process.

1378
01:56:30,660 --> 01:56:39,240
As we shared with you, we had a great response, I think 9 or 10, 10 really good firms and I think

1379
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:44,800
everybody on the wish list as we talked about initially that we wanted to see all submitted.

1380
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,200
So we feel really good about that.

1381
01:56:47,620 --> 01:56:53,680
But Alderman Baguette expressed that preference, I think that'd be great, but I want the

1382
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:55,100
board to acknowledge it.

1383
01:56:55,160 --> 01:57:00,160
Just it from a process standpoint at this stage and it's before we start the interviews

1384
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,740
and all that, I think, would just sort of close the loop.

1385
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:05,320
So I just want to kind of state that, acknowledge it,

1386
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:09,140
and get your, your blessing that we're doing that

1387
01:57:09,140 --> 01:57:10,640
as a representative of the board.

1388
01:57:11,380 --> 01:57:15,360
Yeah, I think we, we, we're grateful that you raised your hand

1389
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,460
a long time ago, so you can just keep right on going.

1390
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:19,280
I think it's great.

1391
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:26,420
I don't really sit up, but I'm not voting in the, in the townlies.

1392
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:28,200
So, yeah, you're ultimately voting.

1393
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:34,200
Yeah, yeah, but I'm just observing. So just so that's clear and by the way, if we get

1394
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:40,980
the whole water on you, if we get the alderman pay, your pay will not go up because you're doing this.

1395
01:57:42,340 --> 01:57:48,020
So how about Harlem's day up pedestrian artwork recommended to the Franklin Public Art Commission?

1396
01:57:48,020 --> 01:57:50,640
And really items 12 and 13.

1397
01:57:51,460 --> 01:57:54,020
We'll see you come up for that.

1398
01:58:06,450 --> 01:58:07,710
Hi, good evening.

1399
01:58:08,050 --> 01:58:11,630
I'm Heather E.C.V.O. Research and Planning Specialist for the Parks Department.

1400
01:58:12,170 --> 01:58:22,650
Here with me, I have Gary Bo Grins, City of Franklin Public Arts Commission Chairman and Monique Public Outreach Specialist and City of Franklin Public Arts Commission liaison.

1401
01:58:22,650 --> 01:58:22,650
Hold

1402
01:58:25,690 --> 01:58:27,030
on.

1403
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:30,850
Hold that up.

1404
01:58:30,850 --> 01:58:31,690
Could you pass these around?

1405
01:58:32,450 --> 01:58:33,970
Just so people know where the sign is.

1406
01:58:34,290 --> 01:58:35,730
They're actually going in.

1407
01:58:37,770 --> 01:58:39,750
Just want to pass one.

1408
01:58:42,690 --> 01:58:43,090
Okay.

1409
01:58:47,820 --> 01:58:48,000
Okay.

1410
01:58:48,220 --> 01:58:52,560
And we're here to talk about the Harlan sale pedestrian bridge artist in artwork.

1411
01:58:54,340 --> 01:58:57,220
Just to go a little back on the timeline of the artist,

1412
01:58:59,300 --> 01:59:01,880
this time last year we had

1413
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:09,440
release nationwide or request for qualifications and we had about 10 artists, submit letters

1414
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:16,320
of recommendation, a portfolio, they had to fill out a couple pages with their background

1415
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:22,500
in artistic history and the City of Franklin Public Arts Commission had selected three

1416
01:59:22,500 --> 01:59:23,780
artists to interview.

1417
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:28,080
They had chosen Michael McLaughlin.

1418
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:33,980
He's based in Torrenton, Connecticut after a couple of virtual interviews and an in-person

1419
01:59:33,980 --> 01:59:35,440
interview with the commission.

1420
01:59:36,220 --> 01:59:41,500
He also came by the city of Franklin and submitted a video when he was unable to meet

1421
01:59:41,500 --> 01:59:45,240
with the commission due to a lack of a quorum that day.

1422
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:59,900
Um, on April of 23, the commission had voted on two out of the four renderings for the panel inserts and after further revisions Michael had made, uh, they voted.

1423
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,880
On the final four for recommendation.

1424
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:23,940
Michael had submitted a project duration about 10 months, if approved, for conceptualization and development, to for him to create the clay plaster models and go to fabrication for casting into bronze and then shipping, transportation and construction and installation.

1425
02:00:25,620 --> 02:00:28,620
As you see here, this is the project cost.

1426
02:00:29,220 --> 02:00:37,780
It will be in increments of three prior to his clay creation prior to the fabrication and

1427
02:00:37,780 --> 02:00:43,480
casting and then upon completion of construction and installation.

1428
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:48,420
I'll let Gary explain a little bit more about the renderings.

1429
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:49,380
Sure, thank you.

1430
02:00:49,420 --> 02:00:52,560
So I just passed around the location where the art pieces are going.

1431
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:55,180
There's four pieces, there are two and a half by five feet.

1432
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:57,100
There's four of them at the end of the bridge,

1433
02:00:57,320 --> 02:00:58,660
located yellow and your exhibit.

1434
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:03,320
So they're in the set into the stone of the bridge.

1435
02:01:04,740 --> 02:01:06,600
But art is in the eye to be holder.

1436
02:01:07,420 --> 02:01:09,180
And what we wanted to bring to this was

1437
02:01:09,180 --> 02:01:10,920
and it brings about discussion and thought,

1438
02:01:10,980 --> 02:01:12,260
but we want to bring something whimsical,

1439
02:01:12,820 --> 02:01:15,760
work with Michael, went through several iterations of nature,

1440
02:01:15,860 --> 02:01:18,140
but also want to make sure we got the Hollesdale farm

1441
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:21,100
and the horse walking horses part of the product

1442
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:26,200
in the art work and that's very crucial to that so he provided these sketches they will be

1443
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:31,380
decorative bronze of two and a half by five feet four of them two of them are horse scenes

1444
02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:36,680
two of them are more nature, whimsical elements for the river and you know wildlife in the area so

1445
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:41,560
we just went through an exhaustive just back and forth and tweaking and going through that

1446
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:45,920
brandy can kind of discuss if she wants to as well she's part of that of our group as well

1447
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:50,300
but it was a great discussion of working with Michael just going through the process

1448
02:01:50,300 --> 02:01:57,720
So we're just happy where we are today. Just look for your kind of recommendation moving forward. So any questions you have be happy to help up

1449
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:07,160
Oldman Blanton go ahead. You're the chair. I'm not chair. That's Gary. No, this is really our first in depth

1450
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:13,360
I would call it project for the public arts commission and I could not be more thrilled with the outcome

1451
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,180
I will tell you that

1452
02:02:15,180 --> 02:02:19,720
The artist came here before he even submitted his first

1453
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:25,860
Whatever you want to call it went to Harlan Stale walked around learned the native species

1454
02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:34,560
I mean really immersed himself in this project and we loved his art even before he brought us his version of our art

1455
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:38,560
And for all of us on the board the whimsy really

1456
02:02:38,980 --> 02:02:44,080
Spooked us but also celebrating the horse wasn't even a part of the original four panels

1457
02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:50,340
So for him to step backwards, he did a lot of work on this and there's a little bit of like,

1458
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:52,800
okay, please don't screw this up board of Mayor and Alderman.

1459
02:02:54,380 --> 02:03:00,120
But we are so excited and I really think it's going to put the cherry on the top for that wonderful

1460
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:06,300
bridge, John Drower, wherever you went, that we now celebrate in Ireland still in Chestnut

1461
02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:06,560
then.

1462
02:03:08,940 --> 02:03:16,350
So everybody's shaking their head. Good. Adam 14 is public

1463
02:03:16,350 --> 02:03:21,370
right away for South margin street between Columbia Avenue and

1464
02:03:21,370 --> 02:03:22,450
coming straight.

1465
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:41,200
Sorry, I thought I had it up with the computer

1466
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:41,620
shut down.

1467
02:03:49,770 --> 02:03:52,910
So before I start, as this pulls up, I will tell you

1468
02:03:52,910 --> 02:03:55,810
there's an error in my memo. I didn't realize that the ordinance got

1469
02:03:55,810 --> 02:04:00,570
updated in 2019, but I'll go over the excess right away. A band

1470
02:04:00,570 --> 02:04:03,010
policy that we adopted in 2019.

1471
02:04:24,590 --> 02:04:24,630
All right.

1472
02:04:24,630 --> 02:04:27,330
It's up in turn over to Adam Seeger to start the presentation.

1473
02:04:27,630 --> 02:04:29,750
I believe you're going to go through the first few slides.

1474
02:04:30,490 --> 02:04:30,590
Yeah.

1475
02:04:30,990 --> 02:04:31,290
Happy to do that.

1476
02:04:31,290 --> 02:04:32,030
Thank you.

1477
02:04:32,570 --> 02:04:33,070
Thanks, Jimmy.

1478
02:04:33,590 --> 02:04:34,050
Adam Seeger.

1479
02:04:34,250 --> 02:04:35,170
I'm with Dale and Associates.

1480
02:04:35,250 --> 02:04:36,930
I'm the civil engineer for the project.

1481
02:04:37,650 --> 02:04:39,650
We've been working on this for quite some time.

1482
02:04:39,930 --> 02:04:42,410
Just to kind of reintroduce everybody.

1483
02:04:42,410 --> 02:04:43,950
I'm sure you've seen the area.

1484
02:04:44,450 --> 02:04:45,990
But to remind everyone where we're at.

1485
02:04:46,050 --> 02:04:47,330
If you want to go to the first slide.

1486
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:50,170
We're just south of Church Street.

1487
02:04:50,170 --> 02:04:56,570
We encompass multiple properties that kind of start it's the the building just north of the handy hardware

1488
02:04:56,570 --> 02:05:02,130
But handy hardware is kind of the main point in the center that everybody's aware of we cross over margin and

1489
02:05:02,730 --> 02:05:11,090
Then we go all the way down to Renaissance bank, which is down there on on Blackburn Street and so early on on this project

1490
02:05:11,090 --> 02:05:15,550
There was a very strong pull to save handy hardware

1491
02:05:16,210 --> 02:05:20,150
We want to keep that facade along Columbia and then also we

1492
02:05:20,170 --> 02:05:26,310
have this parking issue. How are we going to park this project and keep handy hardware?

1493
02:05:27,230 --> 02:05:33,210
And so as we started thinking through those dynamics, we need an underground parking

1494
02:05:33,210 --> 02:05:39,370
garage. Okay, well, yeah, let's do an underground parking garage. The problem is we have a

1495
02:05:39,370 --> 02:05:46,290
public road on top of where we need to put this parking garage. And so early on, we've talked with

1496
02:05:46,290 --> 02:05:51,850
staff and tried to think through how this could work and the only way we think that this project

1497
02:05:51,850 --> 02:05:57,210
can park itself is to do the underground parking garage but then we have kind of a challenge

1498
02:05:57,690 --> 02:06:02,850
with public roadway. I don't think the city wants to own a roadway on top of a private parking

1499
02:06:02,850 --> 02:06:09,310
structure. So that's why we're here to request the, well I was there original reason why we

1500
02:06:09,310 --> 02:06:15,230
wanted to close margin street and this wasn't something that we said, hey, this is fun, this

1501
02:06:15,230 --> 02:06:20,650
great for the project, it kind of was bored of more of necessity for parking. Then we started

1502
02:06:20,650 --> 02:06:24,690
looking at some of the traffic patterns because we know those are going to come up. One of the

1503
02:06:24,690 --> 02:06:29,910
ancillary benefits I think of this is that we have two traffic lights on Columbia and they're at

1504
02:06:29,910 --> 02:06:35,610
an offset intersection and if you're kind of traveling north south on Columbia you may have to obey

1505
02:06:35,610 --> 02:06:41,650
both traffic lights regardless of this offset and it's just not the most efficient way to do it.

1506
02:06:41,650 --> 02:06:46,410
And so, we believe a more efficient way would be to push that offset back over to Cummins

1507
02:06:46,410 --> 02:06:51,530
where it would be stop sign-controlled and those, we could eliminate one traffic signal

1508
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:56,190
and for the north southbound traffic on Columbia, make a little bit more efficient.

1509
02:06:56,570 --> 02:06:59,590
So we think that that's a good benefit for the project as well.

1510
02:07:02,270 --> 02:07:06,150
The project is in the works right now, we're in the site plan stage.

1511
02:07:06,650 --> 02:07:11,630
Before we can really go to staff and staff can even legally consider this project,

1512
02:07:12,230 --> 02:07:16,270
y'all can't consider us to put a development on your roadway,

1513
02:07:16,630 --> 02:07:20,850
so we need to come to y'all and talk about this right away abandonment.

1514
02:07:20,990 --> 02:07:21,910
So that's our request.

1515
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:28,570
Can we have a consideration to abandon this so we can move forward with the project?

1516
02:07:29,250 --> 02:07:32,550
And that's why we're here tonight and I'm happy to answer any questions.

1517
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:36,850
And yeah, I'm sorry. I had to sort of flip through there. There's a few more that kind of help

1518
02:07:37,170 --> 02:07:38,990
spell through it

1519
02:07:40,090 --> 02:07:46,950
There is margin on the top. It's about 6,000, 6,500 square feet of ride of way and

1520
02:07:46,950 --> 02:07:52,410
An alley just nobody, nobody in the city uses a says an alley. Nobody doesn't even look like an alley

1521
02:07:52,410 --> 02:07:59,330
But it is there and then in green we are going to provide a through street for night Avenue

1522
02:07:59,330 --> 02:08:04,990
So ninth would come through T into coming street and we would work on the signal to add a leg

1523
02:08:04,990 --> 02:08:11,450
to the signal and put the pedestrian crossings around that four-way intersection there.

1524
02:08:11,950 --> 02:08:16,390
And then there you can kind of see the finished product just to get an idea of how it

1525
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:18,210
would all work when the buildings are in place.

1526
02:08:19,410 --> 02:08:23,730
So real quick, the abandonment of right away typically works is if the value of the property

1527
02:08:23,730 --> 02:08:29,690
is greater than $75,000, it's typically sold via bid and you're going to advertise and

1528
02:08:29,690 --> 02:08:34,030
you go up to bid with it. That one really wouldn't apply here. The next one is that the

1529
02:08:34,030 --> 02:08:40,870
property is greater than $75,000 and well-suited for another public benefit that you could establish

1530
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:47,200
a public process in which you could transfer that property. The last one is if the property

1531
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:53,240
over 75,000 or there's a unique circumstance which we would call this a unique circumstance

1532
02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:59,900
that the board may weigh those requirements and sold by negotiation. So there is a path

1533
02:08:59,900 --> 02:09:05,440
for it with this if you'd like. Right now the biggest concern we have is traffic patterns and

1534
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:12,420
how it changes and I'll show you this last slide here is and we've got the first round and

1535
02:09:12,420 --> 02:09:16,660
Adams going through it with a third part of consultant that also goes through it is how does the

1536
02:09:16,660 --> 02:09:19,680
traffic patterns really shift, do people start shifting on to

1537
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:22,660
Cummins, do they shift on to Lewisburg Avenue and East

1538
02:09:22,660 --> 02:09:25,720
Folk Street, I will say what the developers doing is exactly

1539
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:28,420
what we want, but we are trying to model this, we want to

1540
02:09:28,420 --> 02:09:31,660
make sure before we bring you a resolution to abandon the

1541
02:09:31,660 --> 02:09:34,160
right away that we present the final results of that

1542
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:34,920
traffic study.

1543
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:37,900
They're not going to go down the fall.

1544
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:40,640
I'm talking to Paul. They're going to go on blackburn.

1545
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:46,640
I hardly ever said that like I told Paul this when we were

1546
02:09:46,640 --> 02:09:51,240
that light at margin in Columbia. You take a left on Cummins. You take a right on Blackburn,

1547
02:09:51,260 --> 02:09:56,840
and you miss a light. I guarantee a 50% of the cars do that there now anyway. I'm sure

1548
02:09:56,840 --> 02:10:02,620
is that I can not go down to East folks and then sit a light there when I pass a stop sign in the middle.

1549
02:10:02,940 --> 02:10:08,880
I do think, though, and I said this from the very first meeting, that this Evan Street, this whole

1550
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:14,460
area, though, we do need to, I do agree that the traffic study, or we do need to model this out as

1551
02:10:14,460 --> 02:10:18,920
because the residents on that, on Evan specifically, Evan's is an alley, essentially.

1552
02:10:19,820 --> 02:10:22,340
We don't have a lot of improvement area there to do.

1553
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:26,400
We need to make sure, because I've heard from these folks, this is a war tour.

1554
02:10:27,140 --> 02:10:29,700
They, we have to make sure we get that right.

1555
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:33,660
I think this helps the whole traffic situation in that area, in my opinion,

1556
02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:39,400
a wife would tell you that she sees people flying through those double lights on Columbia, almost every week,

1557
02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:46,220
Because we're going to Franklin on the ring a lot, but it is a dangerous intersection as it is now.

1558
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:54,380
I think this overall is better. One question. You said, are we, are we going to buy the green from them?

1559
02:10:54,540 --> 02:10:56,180
We're going to sell in the red and buy the green.

1560
02:10:56,320 --> 02:11:02,120
Yeah, the green's proposed as a public utility or access and drainage easements, but I would assume.

1561
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:05,700
So we're going to sell in the red and get the green.

1562
02:11:05,700 --> 02:11:10,100
And the reds up to y'all how you want to do it, you can negotiate it, you could sell it to

1563
02:11:10,100 --> 02:11:15,000
them via praisels, you could look at off-site improvements required, it's really, we got to

1564
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:16,480
go through the traffic study and negotiate.

1565
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:19,660
Well, we've asked to do a lot here and I would for them to do a lot here.

1566
02:11:19,660 --> 02:11:25,700
I would really encourage us to maybe look at the broader solutions for the area and that

1567
02:11:25,700 --> 02:11:29,380
be a priority rather than negotiating the value of this street.

1568
02:11:29,580 --> 02:11:33,360
Like if we can come up with a very good solution for this game, I think you look at it more

1569
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:37,700
is a almost a trade, an offset.

1570
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,480
OK, and are you improving the road network generally?

1571
02:11:41,980 --> 02:11:45,640
We've just got to make sure the whole function is well.

1572
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:49,680
And the traffic city may give us some additional guidance to just make sure we do it right

1573
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:52,040
because that's what everybody wants here for this to work.

1574
02:11:53,540 --> 02:11:57,940
So the next step is over the next month or so, we have to finalize that traffic impact

1575
02:11:57,940 --> 02:12:02,080
study and we'll definitely bring it back for a presentation to the board and get for the

1576
02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:04,280
direction on how to proceed.

1577
02:12:05,260 --> 02:12:06,000
Item 15.

1578
02:12:07,300 --> 02:12:08,160
Arms did PUD.

1579
02:12:08,340 --> 02:12:11,800
Development plan and modification in the city of Franklin Streets standards.

1580
02:12:12,040 --> 02:12:13,120
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1581
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:17,700
A couple of months ago we had a presentation at the joint conceptual workshop on the arm

1582
02:12:17,700 --> 02:12:21,180
instead, also known as the short farm, the development plan there.

1583
02:12:21,740 --> 02:12:25,760
And a really exciting development with a lot of unique requests of the city.

1584
02:12:26,140 --> 02:12:31,940
I'm glad to say that we went from a list of 47 items down to two since that meeting, which

1585
02:12:31,940 --> 02:12:39,180
been very good. Those two items, the first one is up in front of you now is the request to have

1586
02:12:39,180 --> 02:12:45,560
pervious pavers in the right of way. We have best management practice standards for pervious

1587
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:50,140
pavers today, but it's all for private use and you see them a lot in parking lots and things

1588
02:12:50,140 --> 02:12:55,480
of that nature. Currently we do not allow utilities under, even though in the private property

1589
02:12:55,480 --> 02:13:00,400
under those pavers, due to a maintenance reasons, replacement of utilities and things of that

1590
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:05,320
nature. But that is a request to have them in the parking

1591
02:13:05,320 --> 02:13:09,500
parallel parking spaces and some locations in this development.

1592
02:13:11,260 --> 02:13:13,320
And generally speaking, when we do allow pervious favors,

1593
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,320
it's going to be on a private street. And just as a reminder,

1594
02:13:15,460 --> 02:13:18,020
we don't typically allow private street in residential

1595
02:13:18,020 --> 02:13:21,600
subdivision because of the long-term issues with maintenance

1596
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:24,820
associated with that. We would allow it on a private street.

1597
02:13:25,060 --> 02:13:28,120
If there was a commercial entity that was maintaining them.

1598
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:30,740
That's great, we can move to the next one before.

1599
02:13:31,540 --> 02:13:36,360
The other request is to, I guess I should back up a few years ago,

1600
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:39,120
we started having a lot of maintenance issues

1601
02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:40,980
with our standard alley section.

1602
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:42,620
So if you go out and look at some of those,

1603
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:46,240
you'll see a crack that runs right down the center of most of them.

1604
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:49,340
Our on-call contractor actually had to buy

1605
02:13:49,340 --> 02:13:52,020
a special piece of equipment to go back in and fix those

1606
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:55,640
and repave them whenever that is time to be done.

1607
02:13:55,640 --> 02:14:02,240
So the request was to, I know it's hard to see on the screen, but would be to have a concrete

1608
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:07,360
gutter in the center of the alley for lack of a better term, and slope it to the center as

1609
02:14:08,260 --> 02:14:14,300
we no longer do that, now our standard detail actually pitches everything to the side like a standard

1610
02:14:14,300 --> 02:14:21,320
roadway section. So the request would be to have the gutter section down the middle to allow

1611
02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:26,960
to prevent that seam. However, there's a large cost up front to that, because that

1612
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:32,080
concrete is very detailed work. You still are creating some seams where you're

1613
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:37,440
directing water, where you are butt up to the concrete, and we've got some of our

1614
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:42,280
streets department folks here to help us with any maintenance questions you may have,

1615
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:48,500
because they're much more well versed in that than I am. So Brian, I'll give you a little bit

1616
02:14:48,500 --> 02:14:52,480
time to kind of go over some of that too. And that's the request in front of us, but

1617
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:59,980
by the way, we're only down to two as it's in. Yeah, so, um, thank you. So, I think...

1618
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,540
You know, awesome that we've been able to work together to wittle up all the points of discussion down.

1619
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:13,960
What we're trying to do is to figure out a way forward to allow for us to, you know, certainly with the purbius pavers,

1620
02:15:15,180 --> 02:15:18,600
you know, we want to be more sustainable, more green, and many aspects.

1621
02:15:18,740 --> 02:15:24,780
And this is just one of the tools and techniques. I think hopefully we'll have a subsequent meeting where we'll talk about some of the

1622
02:15:24,780 --> 02:15:28,340
other things like along the side of the road bio swells and stuff that we showed in

1623
02:15:28,340 --> 02:15:28,920
other pictures.

1624
02:15:29,260 --> 02:15:35,380
So we haven't abandoned that, but this was the easiest one and it's sort of more

1625
02:15:35,380 --> 02:15:37,720
easily could fit in the right of way.

1626
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:45,520
And so the request is that we're able to move this forward because there's a couple of things

1627
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:46,400
working against this.

1628
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:52,180
It sounds like one is just sort of the prohibition right now of doing pervious pavers and

1629
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:55,820
it's on a private street but then you can't do a private street and so there's

1630
02:15:56,980 --> 02:15:59,860
for all instance curves I think that means you can't do the purviews paper.

1631
02:16:01,300 --> 02:16:05,900
So all we want is a way to do it however it's done when we're the other doesn't

1632
02:16:05,900 --> 02:16:09,960
matter to us and as we talked about throughout this a lot of the concerns I think

1633
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:13,360
that the city has had it have been maintenance related and that's what we talked

1634
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,400
about a lot in the past meeting.

1635
02:16:16,440 --> 02:16:20,540
If it's something that the city wants to do big picture and you want to be more

1636
02:16:20,540 --> 02:16:25,320
more sustainable than obviously figuring out the maintenance concerns is something that

1637
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:31,240
has to be done. We've offered to, in our project, you know, have maintenance agreements and

1638
02:16:31,240 --> 02:16:36,100
there's sorts of things so you can use us and test out what you're, you know, kind of what

1639
02:16:36,100 --> 02:16:39,960
you might want to do in the future as well, or setting standards and things moving forward.

1640
02:16:40,520 --> 02:16:49,580
Also, staff had a particular pervious paving typeology that they really liked and so that's,

1641
02:16:49,580 --> 02:16:56,080
happy to use whatever works best from that perspective and then on the alleys what we're trying

1642
02:16:56,080 --> 02:17:04,400
to do is make sure that the alleys are pretty wide and we don't want them to feel any more

1643
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:10,360
like a street than they have to and so if we're now sending the drainage to the edges now we're

1644
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:19,560
looking at potential curves and all that stuff and gutters and everything I live on one of these

1645
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:27,460
did my alley. But it was after years of, you know, and so to me, you know, obviously there's

1646
02:17:27,460 --> 02:17:30,840
a cost and a concern and I know you always always worried you all going to end up having

1647
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:34,940
to take back something that is put in that was private or, you know, you don't want to have

1648
02:17:34,940 --> 02:17:42,380
the maintenance costs over time, but, you know, it's an overall good strategy. It works well.

1649
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:48,440
And I, you know, the concrete seemed on the middle was our response to the initial concerns

1650
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:52,000
like, okay, well, you know, our engineers, like what if we did this? So that's what we've been

1651
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:57,740
exploring. We'd like the opportunity to try it out and see how it goes. And hopefully it's

1652
02:17:57,740 --> 02:18:02,460
a solution that works out about it. I think there may also be an equipment issue that we've

1653
02:18:02,460 --> 02:18:08,740
heard about a special attachment as needed. You know, the cost of that is our understanding isn't

1654
02:18:08,740 --> 02:18:13,160
that much. It's something that I'm sure we could help with, you know, whatever. So we just want to work

1655
02:18:13,160 --> 02:18:18,240
together to figure out how to accomplish these in many other goals. We really want to understand

1656
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:24,960
moving forward is you know with this project say it occurs but we don't want to just pick one

1657
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:29,840
project and say this is the standard we would want to change our standards accordingly to what

1658
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:35,580
the board wishes to see in the in the built environment. So one option real quick on the

1659
02:18:35,580 --> 02:18:42,000
pavers could be to just have the public right away go up to the parking spaces and everything outside

1660
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:48,620
that be on private property in an easement of some kind. However, one of the main reasons we

1661
02:18:48,620 --> 02:18:54,840
got away from private streets was after 15, 20 years. We all know what happens. The developments

1662
02:18:54,840 --> 02:19:00,880
usually come back to the city to take those own. This would fall on an HOA of some kind at some

1663
02:19:00,880 --> 02:19:07,200
point in time. So we're just hesitant to put that burden on a future entity that may not be

1664
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:11,860
sitting at the table when we make those decisions. We're very hesitant about putting our utilities

1665
02:19:11,860 --> 02:19:15,480
because you'll have a server sign going off to every single house and every time we dig,

1666
02:19:15,620 --> 02:19:19,680
we have to fix that or pair it to what they have a special contractor to do it.

1667
02:19:19,960 --> 02:19:23,500
And I think at a G.S. Inter-Dust Daniel Brady's, one of our senior roadway inspectors,

1668
02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:31,620
he does a great job with the street department. Do we require any commercial buildings to put

1669
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:37,420
pervious papers on their, like, someone's building building and they're parking lot?

1670
02:19:37,580 --> 02:19:41,020
Yes, we did it at five points. They have a first bank.

1671
02:19:41,020 --> 02:19:44,900
They have options and it's their choice on how they want to implement the various

1672
02:19:44,900 --> 02:19:45,680
control more.

1673
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:48,640
No one's required, but it's on the menu, right?

1674
02:19:49,380 --> 02:19:52,640
It's a good option for parking lots because you get the treatment, right?

1675
02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:59,040
Where you put them in flood zones, that kind of they are areas where I have no problem with

1676
02:19:59,040 --> 02:19:59,600
either of these.

1677
02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:02,660
I think we've got to figure out how to maintain this.

1678
02:20:02,660 --> 02:20:07,480
I think you've got a different neighborhood in this type of, now I do think we need standards.

1679
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:13,660
I think we need to shift our standards, and if the whole neighborhood is being developed

1680
02:20:13,660 --> 02:20:24,180
in an unconventional way or in our days in a more conservation-minded, eco-friendly, we've

1681
02:20:24,180 --> 02:20:26,500
got to be flexible, and I'd be in favor of it.

1682
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:32,540
I think long-term that we need to have some additional standards that if a adult meets certain

1683
02:20:32,540 --> 02:20:35,940
criteria, then what some of these would be willing to.

1684
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:46,780
I'm just cautious about putting underburdened to more burns on H.O.A.s.

1685
02:20:47,580 --> 02:20:54,800
These larger developments, it's just unsustainable for these H.O.A.s. sometimes to

1686
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:59,900
especially in their pools and their clubhouses and they have open space and it gets

1687
02:20:59,900 --> 02:21:06,380
pretty drastic for some of them and they're going to start raising and now that they have

1688
02:21:06,380 --> 02:21:10,780
to do the street trees too. I mean they have to get in there and cut the street trees and then

1689
02:21:10,780 --> 02:21:15,620
they have to tell the residents they have to cut their street trees and then if not then they

1690
02:21:15,620 --> 02:21:20,860
have to go over there and do them and then you're going to keep going out. So we have to figure

1691
02:21:20,860 --> 02:21:28,300
out a way not to add more things to the HOA's. I just don't to end and there's places that

1692
02:21:28,300 --> 02:21:33,420
have the age-wise and stuff. If you go into redevelop, who needs something, so let's be cocked.

1693
02:21:34,840 --> 02:21:35,580
Yeah. All right, pots?

1694
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:37,600
Oh, it's a good one.

1695
02:21:38,180 --> 02:21:42,640
Like you sort of. I did have a question when you mentioned just a moment ago about the utilities and

1696
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:54,400
doing those repairs or repairing the the pervious areas and the the chance of damaging the

1697
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:58,160
utilities underneath this habit you were signing. No it's just when we replace the service lines

1698
02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:02,100
will have to dig up the pavers. We'll have to go try to find matches which will be difficult.

1699
02:22:02,280 --> 02:22:07,480
We can try to save them, you know, you could get street trees with root growth that goes

1700
02:22:07,480 --> 02:22:12,240
into the sub-grade and buckles them and you got tripping hazards. So it's a lot of maintenance

1701
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:16,660
if you start putting these in the right away. But we can certainly look to do that.

1702
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:22,560
And one thing to consider is if you had, say, a waterline break or emergency if some kind,

1703
02:22:22,900 --> 02:22:27,820
these pavers are meant to be removed with a tool but an emergency situation that there's just

1704
02:22:27,820 --> 02:22:31,120
way that's going to happen. The book is going to go right through them and you've replaced them

1705
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:35,260
in can as of new costs. So that's one thing to consider.

1706
02:22:35,660 --> 02:22:43,040
How there have been design considerations to put concrete or pavement over the utility areas

1707
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:49,520
and then not above our utilities is where the pervious payverse and everything would be.

1708
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:53,880
We would certainly make sure the main lines are outside of this. It would just be services that

1709
02:22:53,880 --> 02:23:03,180
be the perpendicular to the individual buildings in pervious paper parking lots you see that now

1710
02:23:03,180 --> 02:23:08,280
there'll be a strip of 10 feet of concrete that goes in for situations like that. And so

1711
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:14,800
has that been considered? I think we would require that honestly just to protect our utility

1712
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:20,880
and protect a end user if there was a leak of some kind it'd be an easy find honestly they know

1713
02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:26,580
the service was. And for what it's worth to at, you know, at least for the foreseeable future,

1714
02:23:27,060 --> 02:23:31,260
we wouldn't want the city going and making their repair. Just like we wouldn't want the city

1715
02:23:31,260 --> 02:23:35,300
maintaining our neighborhood parks. For instance, you know, it's like that we can do a different

1716
02:23:35,300 --> 02:23:42,020
level of standard of kind of execution. So I mean, I know there's concern about the future HOA's,

1717
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:49,100
but I mean, we're getting to the age now where our bigger neighborhoods must have, for example,

1718
02:23:49,100 --> 02:23:51,220
I mean, can you ever imagine that each way going?

1719
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:52,820
I don't know, we're going to turn this over.

1720
02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:56,080
We don't really want to maintain X-Y or Z.

1721
02:23:56,360 --> 02:23:57,420
I know there have been.

1722
02:23:59,240 --> 02:24:02,000
So, right, I'll say there, there are some to do, for sure.

1723
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:03,280
That's a city in the south.

1724
02:24:03,340 --> 02:24:04,460
Thank you, France, from the question.

1725
02:24:04,760 --> 02:24:13,720
So, I do like the idea of conserving and putting water back where it needs to be

1726
02:24:14,220 --> 02:24:17,300
and getting it into the water table how the best way possible.

1727
02:24:17,300 --> 02:24:21,780
I like the idea of decreasing the non-pervious surfaces.

1728
02:24:24,300 --> 02:24:29,300
I hear what our staff is saying as far as a potential cost associated with it.

1729
02:24:29,980 --> 02:24:37,000
You know, that's my biggest reservation, but I do like the idea of trying this.

1730
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:43,520
I do have a little bit of concern as well of snow removal, street maintenance.

1731
02:24:44,420 --> 02:24:49,960
things like that as well as far as this service material, but if we've never tried it before,

1732
02:24:50,880 --> 02:24:53,600
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing some numbers on it.

1733
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:56,040
I'll then see you later then I'll get all of them right.

1734
02:24:56,400 --> 02:25:02,700
I'm not going to give myself this to be quick, but do previous papers replace the need for

1735
02:25:02,700 --> 02:25:03,440
a storm sewer?

1736
02:25:04,620 --> 02:25:10,040
There are some claim they can, and we've actually spoken to City of Milwaukee's done this

1737
02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:17,140
a lot of retrofit type green street enhancement projects. You'll see them in some more dense urban environments

1738
02:25:17,140 --> 02:25:23,340
where especially where they have drainage concerns. So, per the manufacturer and all the testing,

1739
02:25:24,060 --> 02:25:28,740
they can't. So, it's a possibility if they ever get fully clogged, then you have no

1740
02:25:28,740 --> 02:25:35,500
work for the water to go. But we've actually met with the manufacturer of these probably four or five

1741
02:25:35,500 --> 02:25:39,940
times or the past six months to try to vet this out, we're just not at a place where we're

1742
02:25:39,940 --> 02:25:41,500
comfortable bringing it forward yet.

1743
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:43,260
I appreciate that, thank you, Jim.

1744
02:25:43,940 --> 02:25:48,520
Well, I was a brief, all of a sudden, well, I shut her to say that I tend to agree with

1745
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:48,940
Patrick.

1746
02:25:50,860 --> 02:25:57,520
Well, I just, I think that we're trying to expand our repertoire to allow things that are

1747
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:04,420
not typical with this accurate development, you know, it's getting, and it negates the

1748
02:26:04,420 --> 02:26:11,200
been gutter that we are trying to let the bios well do its thing and so I would be of mind

1749
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:16,320
to support this just so that we can kind of have all comprehensive approach of what has

1750
02:26:16,320 --> 02:26:22,040
been brought to us. And we're splitting layers at the end of the deal which I think would make

1751
02:26:22,040 --> 02:26:28,360
a big difference and now things are received and now they look. So, thank you.

1752
02:26:29,380 --> 02:26:35,220
I'm not, I'm not excited about the city paying for maintenance of the following barn here.

1753
02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:45,140
The V shaped alley, you were right on, because it does wear out and I'll lay up on that,

1754
02:26:46,140 --> 02:26:51,960
and help for several years now, and the city's come back in and had to fix that two or three times.

1755
02:26:51,960 --> 02:27:01,760
So, whatever we do, we don't necessarily want to do that again, so as far as the papers are concerned,

1756
02:27:04,020 --> 02:27:04,720
we're asking,

1757
02:27:07,220 --> 02:27:12,040
the HOA, you can speak for, what if you want to write now on the HOA?

1758
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:17,500
That's not what the person's on this board's going to hear from in 15 years.

1759
02:27:18,540 --> 02:27:19,600
are 20.

1760
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:22,980
Whenever something has come up, something that you may

1761
02:27:22,980 --> 02:27:27,040
do comes up that has to be repaired, they will be back

1762
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:30,020
looking for the city to share in the cost somewhere or

1763
02:27:30,020 --> 02:27:30,680
another.

1764
02:27:31,580 --> 02:27:33,400
We are asking it too many times.

1765
02:27:34,020 --> 02:27:39,100
And yours might be an exception, but I kind of doubt it.

1766
02:27:39,220 --> 02:27:41,680
I've not seen that exception yet.

1767
02:27:41,980 --> 02:27:45,960
But I know that there is always a sharing of cost,

1768
02:27:45,960 --> 02:27:53,160
private streets don't work and we tried it and we tried it years ago and

1769
02:27:54,140 --> 02:28:01,940
wound up going back in and having to do the work ourselves here. So there are things that we need to look at

1770
02:28:01,940 --> 02:28:06,980
I think the staff needs to look at, I think you can look at the papers and see what they are.

1771
02:28:07,140 --> 02:28:11,040
And there are some that actually take the place of a storm gutter then

1772
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:21,140
Okay, that we might want to work with that or look at that or something other, but I'd be real hesitant about the additional cost.

1773
02:28:21,500 --> 02:28:30,040
It's not tomorrow. It's 10 years from now. It's 15 years from now that you'll put that cost back on to the same board.

1774
02:28:30,260 --> 02:28:35,160
The same seats that are sitting here that may be some smiling faces that you that are different.

1775
02:28:35,160 --> 02:28:42,160
but it will be we got one we're never going to get to the

1776
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:46,020
Alderman pay Alderman burger we apologize one more time

1777
02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:51,460
But I'll let's go to item 16 if we could and

1778
02:28:51,460 --> 02:28:55,260
Because we do have I think the applicant here and that's

1779
02:28:56,200 --> 02:28:58,860
authorized paid parking 94 and 98

1780
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:17,720
Please don't ever bring me these speakers cards at seven o'clock ever again

1781
02:29:17,720 --> 02:29:21,120
in, because next time I'm going to throw them in the trash.

1782
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:27,520
So I'm 16.

1783
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:28,620
Let's roll.

1784
02:29:29,320 --> 02:29:30,880
Good evening, I'm Tom Marsh, and you know,

1785
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:32,160
channel requires owning a administrator.

1786
02:29:32,620 --> 02:29:34,580
Appreciate getting a few minutes with you here.

1787
02:29:34,860 --> 02:29:39,000
Try to do a quick introduction and just as you've

1788
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:42,380
ready to memo, there's a statement in the zoning ordinance

1789
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:48,100
that required parking places shall be free and accessible

1790
02:29:48,100 --> 02:29:51,600
to the public unless otherwise determined by Boma.

1791
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:59,920
I know you may have gotten an email today that said that the building neighbor and service department recently decided to enforce this we did not recently decide to enforce this this

1792
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,740
Let's adopt it in December of 2019. Believe it or not, this is the first time, and I congratulate

1793
02:30:05,740 --> 02:30:11,500
the applicant and thank them for following the requirements of the zoning ordinance and

1794
02:30:11,500 --> 02:30:18,620
requested this. This is the first request that has come to our attention to use required parking

1795
02:30:18,620 --> 02:30:25,320
spaces as paid parking spaces. Because they are required for the zoning ordinance, staff

1796
02:30:25,320 --> 02:30:31,240
recommendation will be for disapproval. But it comes before the board, there may be, we thought,

1797
02:30:31,380 --> 02:30:35,620
there might be a variety of questions you might have since this is the first time it's come up

1798
02:30:35,620 --> 02:30:40,900
and several of you were not involved in the discussions five years ago when this came up.

1799
02:30:41,740 --> 02:30:47,300
I'll stop there, can elaborate. I don't think I need to show you the the maps of where these are anything

1800
02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:52,520
and we'll answer your questions and we'll, I think the applicant can probably explain where they are

1801
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:58,620
Pretty well also. Is that good? Is that Steve Bacon and Keith Mormon? Is that correct?

1802
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:00,120
Okay, go ahead.

1803
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:01,620
All right, I'm Steve Bacon.

1804
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:03,860
I'm here representing 94.

1805
02:31:07,790 --> 02:31:09,970
Launch of this building on the second half.

1806
02:31:10,050 --> 02:31:10,690
I'll be brief.

1807
02:31:10,770 --> 02:31:11,910
I don't know what the answer is.

1808
02:31:12,090 --> 02:31:15,130
We're sort of in this period of this paid parking.

1809
02:31:15,870 --> 02:31:20,750
And what I see in 94 and 98 is two restaurants that are going in there.

1810
02:31:20,910 --> 02:31:22,470
They're making very large and best.

1811
02:31:22,470 --> 02:31:28,670
and all of a sudden there's a requirement that they can't do charge parking, but it's mainly

1812
02:31:28,670 --> 02:31:36,450
they can't manage their line. So I'm asking you to consider having given them the ability to

1813
02:31:36,450 --> 02:31:43,110
manage that line. Because without it, all our harvestworm offices and retail on that first

1814
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:47,730
having, they're going to park a bad line in those two restaurants that are putting all that money

1815
02:31:47,730 --> 02:31:52,170
into that space are not going to be able to manage it. And all of them, a lot of the

1816
02:31:52,170 --> 02:31:55,910
parking is going to be our tenants and our guests.

1817
02:31:56,510 --> 02:31:59,690
So what I'm asking you is let's try to find some common

1818
02:31:59,690 --> 02:32:02,990
around to give these tenants who are making an investment,

1819
02:32:03,730 --> 02:32:05,930
the ability to hire professional parking management.

1820
02:32:06,310 --> 02:32:09,950
And I've grown to really respect parking management

1821
02:32:09,950 --> 02:32:12,250
as we go through the markets and everything else.

1822
02:32:12,350 --> 02:32:16,570
So people like Keith and others, there's a need for that.

1823
02:32:16,690 --> 02:32:19,250
And as we get more and more demand downtown,

1824
02:32:19,250 --> 02:32:26,950
So I understand they're the deficit on the vote house, but if you give them the ability to

1825
02:32:26,950 --> 02:32:32,770
if you don't give them the ability to that a lot of that lots going to be nine people who are

1826
02:32:32,770 --> 02:32:36,970
not using the rest of it. So I don't think that's fair. So the second thing I know we're

1827
02:32:36,970 --> 02:32:45,110
title time on the second avenue, there's not a deficit. But what I would like you to consider,

1828
02:32:45,110 --> 02:32:46,870
But their business is shut at 430.

1829
02:32:47,850 --> 02:32:56,790
I'd like again to give them the ability to lease that all their parking spots, to people

1830
02:32:56,790 --> 02:33:01,190
that go to the Harpers Square late at night, so they can get that revenue there.

1831
02:33:01,890 --> 02:33:05,330
They're Sloan and their other officers, they're building up for the third.

1832
02:33:05,890 --> 02:33:09,590
Again, it's giving the tenants the ability to manage their life.

1833
02:33:09,950 --> 02:33:12,230
This is sort of new as we grow as a town.

1834
02:33:12,990 --> 02:33:17,730
And I do see a need for people like Keith and Manage in Blocks.

1835
02:33:17,950 --> 02:33:19,550
We have a great manager of glass.

1836
02:33:20,190 --> 02:33:23,750
I could even take in the think without him what we can do.

1837
02:33:24,730 --> 02:33:30,930
Again, I just want you to consider I think staff is asking for guidance of what they can do,

1838
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:35,510
and what we can do, and sometimes we have a property like General Racer's Church.

1839
02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:40,770
We manage General Racer's Church if they came in here today, they would be in a deficit.

1840
02:33:40,770 --> 02:33:46,450
If they could manage that lot, they could not break because all the porthouse comes in, all the

1841
02:33:46,450 --> 02:33:50,570
cheering comes in, they would be able to have what they do now.

1842
02:33:51,150 --> 02:33:56,150
So again, I hope you work with the staff, how we can manage these lots.

1843
02:33:56,170 --> 02:34:01,210
These people, like the restrooms at the boat house, these two new restaurants are putting a ton

1844
02:34:01,210 --> 02:34:02,290
of money into it.

1845
02:34:02,470 --> 02:34:07,350
And I want them to be able to have the people that park in that lot, or even get the rest

1846
02:34:07,350 --> 02:34:14,290
So, for someone to address the mayor, I did not know I was just about the car and told him to say it.

1847
02:34:14,290 --> 02:34:15,210
I apologize.

1848
02:34:15,630 --> 02:34:16,590
It's not something.

1849
02:34:16,590 --> 02:34:18,750
I don't know if you should have enjoyed it.

1850
02:34:18,750 --> 02:34:21,630
I understand, late in the meeting, it's not good to see that.

1851
02:34:22,030 --> 02:34:23,410
My name is Keith Mooreman.

1852
02:34:23,490 --> 02:34:24,250
I am a part happy.

1853
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:27,150
I also wanted to address the staff members' comments.

1854
02:34:28,190 --> 02:34:32,430
First of all, it's the first time that a denial has been given to us.

1855
02:34:32,430 --> 02:34:38,850
And it was, for whatever it's worth, first time that I was made aware of the statute.

1856
02:34:39,670 --> 02:34:48,450
So it was not my intention to misrepresent the prior actions of the statute.

1857
02:34:49,210 --> 02:34:50,890
So I just want to clear clear there.

1858
02:34:51,610 --> 02:34:59,470
But the most important thing I want to clear up is the mistake that we're trying to institute

1859
02:34:59,470 --> 02:35:05,710
pay part with respect to the boat, which is the mainstream problem.

1860
02:35:07,070 --> 02:35:13,650
There is a finite number of spaces, and it is right on mainstream.

1861
02:35:14,930 --> 02:35:18,010
And even on a slow, Monday at lunch.

1862
02:35:19,250 --> 02:35:26,370
Before the restaurant opens, those spaces will be taken by customers that are good people.

1863
02:35:26,370 --> 02:35:32,450
who will see an open space that's unmarked and who are going across the street to the

1864
02:35:32,450 --> 02:35:38,390
bakery. I would do the same thing unless there was a consequence. And so the

1865
02:35:38,390 --> 02:35:43,810
consequence is a horse market and it's managed market. And the object here is to

1866
02:35:43,810 --> 02:35:48,390
require somebody who is hopefully a customer of the restaurant that is going to be

1867
02:35:48,390 --> 02:35:54,550
the boat has building. To walk into the boat has validate and we have a very

1868
02:35:54,550 --> 02:36:02,590
efficient system for doing this and receive free parking, it's time and not, it's not

1869
02:36:02,590 --> 02:36:08,470
an important point out that the garage right next to us has time parking as well. So it's

1870
02:36:08,470 --> 02:36:15,590
the exact same concept. It's free parking is limited to a period of time. The restaurant has

1871
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:24,530
customers who receive the benefit of free parking which is the intent of the law as the

1872
02:36:24,530 --> 02:36:31,970
So what I feel we're doing here is very far from trying this in this represents the

1873
02:36:31,970 --> 02:36:38,810
intent and it's to honor the customers of the building.

1874
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:46,970
Now the same goes for the Shots and you should show on the set.

1875
02:36:47,070 --> 02:36:53,890
It's validated parting that Mrs. Shots has asked us to answer to if it weren't for a hotel

1876
02:36:53,890 --> 02:36:57,410
and rather than this, this is being across the street that have built market, well, how

1877
02:36:57,410 --> 02:36:58,250
tell us much of it.

1878
02:36:58,550 --> 02:37:00,750
There's no physical parking, you have to go away.

1879
02:37:02,450 --> 02:37:08,550
There would be an open and shut case, however, I understand the city as much in the concern

1880
02:37:10,170 --> 02:37:16,610
where pay parking takes over everything, but that is certainly not our intent, and so I just

1881
02:37:16,610 --> 02:37:18,310
want to leave it back.

1882
02:37:20,750 --> 02:37:21,270
All in burden.

1883
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:26,570
So, let me ask you, what happens when the restaurants are not open?

1884
02:37:27,570 --> 02:37:28,610
Can people park there?

1885
02:37:28,750 --> 02:37:35,610
And if they can, do they also still have to park or to pay if they want to park there during

1886
02:37:35,610 --> 02:37:39,630
hours that the restaurants don't visit open, do they still have to pay?

1887
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:42,470
And can they, can they park number one and do they pay?

1888
02:37:43,970 --> 02:37:49,250
Well, I think what happens is somebody who has a lot of saturday after you come to the

1889
02:37:49,250 --> 02:37:52,130
bank, but doesn't end four or five hours, we're just shopping.

1890
02:37:53,010 --> 02:37:57,570
And the first hour they spend at the restaurant, which is legit a bit, and then they want

1891
02:37:57,570 --> 02:38:03,290
to walk down the block, as many people would do, and so the same circumstances is what happens

1892
02:38:03,290 --> 02:38:12,450
if somebody is either not a customer, maybe they were a customer and now they're going to

1893
02:38:12,450 --> 02:38:19,830
a mobile-based system, and without getting it too much new on it, it gives someone an option

1894
02:38:20,570 --> 02:38:28,610
to walk in and validate or to pay a market rate. The only reason for this is that there is

1895
02:38:28,610 --> 02:38:34,670
no other substitute for having gate arms that go up and down. In a perfect scenario, we would

1896
02:38:34,670 --> 02:38:37,930
have an enclosed space with gators.

1897
02:38:39,210 --> 02:38:42,310
And in order to exit, you would have to have that.

1898
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:46,870
So this is essentially using your credit card

1899
02:38:47,450 --> 02:38:51,010
as the, what if the restaurant is closed?

1900
02:38:51,230 --> 02:38:54,630
And I come down there in a Sunday morning, early in,

1901
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:57,250
go to church when a park in that lot,

1902
02:38:57,650 --> 02:38:59,150
can I park in that lot?

1903
02:38:59,970 --> 02:39:02,630
Can I park in that lot, number one, and do I pay?

1904
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:05,550
When the restaurant's not open.

1905
02:39:06,410 --> 02:39:10,290
So I don't want to speak for the client who's hired us.

1906
02:39:10,570 --> 02:39:14,150
We haven't talked about what this was six years ago.

1907
02:39:14,630 --> 02:39:18,550
He might instruct us to say, I don't want anyone park on a lot,

1908
02:39:18,810 --> 02:39:22,810
and when you dial the number you might get a screen that says,

1909
02:39:22,810 --> 02:39:24,190
no parking it's reserved.

1910
02:39:24,830 --> 02:39:28,370
So that's one outcome, and I'm not saying that that's what he would ask for.

1911
02:39:29,110 --> 02:39:35,550
If it says that if the King wishes for us to allow someone to pay her part, then we could limit it.

1912
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:41,110
We could say you're only allowed to part for one hour, and we give them the option to pay for that.

1913
02:39:41,710 --> 02:39:43,270
So there are many different outcomes.

1914
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:46,840
That's your question.

1915
02:39:48,420 --> 02:39:49,180
I don't know.

1916
02:39:49,320 --> 02:39:50,080
Thank you.

1917
02:39:50,340 --> 02:39:52,940
I think I understand this concept a little bit more.

1918
02:39:53,020 --> 02:39:59,240
I think for me, you have to understand when the whole idea of paid parking came into play.

1919
02:40:00,580 --> 02:40:02,660
It wasn't done in this capacity.

1920
02:40:02,920 --> 02:40:08,220
There was no validation, there was no, it was all of the places that we, and look at

1921
02:40:08,220 --> 02:40:13,920
you, Steve, grew up, knowing we could find parking, we're no longer available, and now they

1922
02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:16,440
sit vacant, by and large,

1923
02:40:18,500 --> 02:40:24,580
behind-puckets and marries, behind-read-pony and all of that.

1924
02:40:24,580 --> 02:40:30,560
That was the bad taste that was put in the mouth of this community because it was done

1925
02:40:31,180 --> 02:40:38,860
Backdoor it was done differently understand. It's that personal that their property rights to do that

1926
02:40:38,860 --> 02:40:45,500
But I think that there's a little bit of gun shine as fine large because as every lot

1927
02:40:45,500 --> 02:40:49,480
I think chef says a little different because they're a business that's closed and it's

1928
02:40:49,900 --> 02:40:53,860
It's different then and I'm not trying to that's really not fair

1929
02:40:53,860 --> 02:40:59,560
but I do agree it's different. I think the more that we deal with these type of scenarios,

1930
02:41:00,760 --> 02:41:06,560
it is concerning because we are getting to the point where we're going to have no choice,

1931
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:11,980
but to start charging for parking, and that's not something I want to do right now.

1932
02:41:12,540 --> 02:41:18,400
So I do understand your model. The opportunity to validate is light years from where we were

1933
02:41:18,400 --> 02:41:21,660
in the start in 2001 ever.

1934
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:25,840
I understand this model.

1935
02:41:27,740 --> 02:41:30,020
Kat's out of the bag.

1936
02:41:30,900 --> 02:41:32,160
The Kat's out of the bag.

1937
02:41:32,380 --> 02:41:38,340
We started the economics of parking in the downtown area has been altered because of what

1938
02:41:38,340 --> 02:41:38,900
she said.

1939
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:42,960
And so then what happens is they, the people go to the free parking.

1940
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:48,380
And in this case it's just chefs parking a lot and frankly some people in the hotel

1941
02:41:48,380 --> 02:41:51,940
I know you've tried to keep some of the employees at the bar and stuff

1942
02:41:51,940 --> 02:41:57,200
She told me that we're parking over there, but without any mechanism to keep that I mean people are going to follow

1943
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:02,060
We're built on economics and so they're going to find the paper

1944
02:42:02,060 --> 02:42:07,660
And the only way there's two ways to solve it is you just make do away with paper and all down town

1945
02:42:08,180 --> 02:42:14,780
Or you have to start dealing with the, which we could, I guess, no, I can't, I can't say no.

1946
02:42:15,440 --> 02:42:19,600
So the only way to manage it, and now you're having this, you've seen that come out with work.

1947
02:42:19,740 --> 02:42:23,200
You've seen the property owners who are now being disadvantaged because they have, they have free parking.

1948
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:26,960
And I think that's not fair because of the decisions of everything else.

1949
02:42:27,160 --> 02:42:35,600
I would like to hone in on making sure that the customers and uses of your buildings,

1950
02:42:36,240 --> 02:42:41,880
matter now or in the future are getting the free parking and I don't know how we

1951
02:42:41,880 --> 02:42:47,520
monitor that but I want the customer, the use of the building and the users

1952
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:51,100
of the building so like if it shifts the piano shoppers or the music

1953
02:42:51,100 --> 02:42:57,760
institutes or the how we ensure that in perpetuity the the users

1954
02:42:58,360 --> 02:43:04,020
or the customers of that year whether it shifts piano, show them in the future or

1955
02:43:04,020 --> 02:43:09,160
something else but how we enforce that the user is always going to have free parking in the future

1956
02:43:09,160 --> 02:43:13,700
because that we don't want in ten years this to turn into something else and it's just all

1957
02:43:13,700 --> 02:43:19,220
all paid parking and we have no way of monitoring that or no I've known that the user of the

1958
02:43:19,220 --> 02:43:24,120
use of the building should should have free parking or why do we have the well it went into

1959
02:43:24,120 --> 02:43:30,920
our mental space yeah yeah and it's a detriment to those businesses not to get free parking

1960
02:43:30,920 --> 02:43:34,760
other people they want to come and spend the money in the building. So I mean that's

1961
02:43:34,760 --> 02:43:39,920
though no brainer and I'm also about property rights. People own their property, they own

1962
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:45,540
those parking lots, they need to do what they want with them. It's not public parking. And

1963
02:43:45,540 --> 02:43:50,600
you can charge for it all day long, but you know, I would say to the people like Brandi said,

1964
02:43:50,660 --> 02:43:55,500
you know, got to validate because you want those customers. Yeah, make sense.

1965
02:43:55,700 --> 02:43:58,580
You want to bring us something back and let us look at it again. Did James?

1966
02:43:58,580 --> 02:43:59,520
I'd like you to put on that.

1967
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:00,540
Jay, would you say something?

1968
02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:02,200
I think I wanted to say something.

1969
02:44:02,200 --> 02:44:05,680
We've heard the questions and one of the things we'll talk about with a resolution

1970
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:10,560
for approval, we the possibility of adding approved with the following conditions and so on.

1971
02:44:10,580 --> 02:44:10,860
Yeah.

1972
02:44:10,940 --> 02:44:11,520
Well, they can.

1973
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:17,580
And I think you may also, you know, what has been heard in the past about when the commercial

1974
02:44:17,580 --> 02:44:24,360
lots downtown become paid lots, that pushes the parkers further out into your neighbourhoods

1975
02:44:24,360 --> 02:44:25,160
for on street parks.

1976
02:44:25,580 --> 02:44:26,920
So I think you will hear something that also.

1977
02:44:26,920 --> 02:44:29,920
You got to go to the mic.

1978
02:44:36,040 --> 02:44:37,580
Turn on the screen.

1979
02:44:38,520 --> 02:44:42,480
Okay, my name is Jay Franks, and I work with you guys for many, many years.

1980
02:44:42,680 --> 02:44:46,260
My wife and I have had a good fortune telling that property for several years

1981
02:44:46,260 --> 02:44:50,400
and we plan on keeping it and going into our trust for our family.

1982
02:44:50,400 --> 02:44:58,520
We'd get Steve leased it for us with a great young couple to do some really outstanding things down there.

1983
02:44:58,660 --> 02:44:59,980
We're willing to put some kind of cover.

1984
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,120
In the parking, that it would have to be free parking for the customers, but we're which committed to that.

1985
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:17,300
We have to. But it's really important to try to help move this thing on because these folks are trying to get rid of open, you know, about by full Christmas or right around Christmas time.

1986
02:45:18,620 --> 02:45:19,220
Thank you.

1987
02:45:19,460 --> 02:45:20,440
Okay. Thank you, Jay.