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fairly good video looks like we're okay. Mm

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It is 702 and I call the October 5, 2021 regular meeting of the franklin County Planning

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Commission to order before we get into the meeting? I will turn things over to staff

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to discuss the format. Thank you. Tonight's meeting will be conducted through a hybrid

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in person online meeting platform. Should an individual planning commission every

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time unexpectedly disconnected, please rejoin the meeting at your first opportunity,

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The record will reflect your attendance. The meeting will be praised for 10 minutes

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to address technical difficulties. If they cannot be resolved within 10 minutes then

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the meeting will proceed. So long as the Quorum of Planet Commissioners are present,

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please activate your mute button at the bottom of your computer screen when not speaking.

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As a reminder, the Youtube video stream is not working. If you are watching the meeting

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from a remote location, please do so on a v capture. Of course they're watching youtube,

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they won't see this. But anyways, if you wish to comment or need clarification on

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a public hearing item, please send us an email at Planning Inquiry. All one word

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at ceo dot franklin dot la dot us before the public comment period closes. Once

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Sure, but planning staff please call roll and announce whether or not we have a quorum

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can't Mcmullen present mike Vincent.

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Right. Uh huh. No. Yeah. Oh, oh no, not this

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again.

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Like my boy right now, is there like this, are there?

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I stand good. Why?

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Did we lose everybody? Yeah.

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Hey Rebecca, did you call my name? This is laden yes, yes, late. Oh you guys came

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in right late so I just want to make sure you guys know I was here for the commissioners

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please go ahead and keep do not turn on the mute. We can't tell if you're hearing

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Mike Vincent. Why do you private

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Mr Chairman, We do have a forum. Thank you. Well staff in attendance. Please introduce

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yourselves. I'm Derrick Braaten. I'm the Director of planning and building for franklin

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County. I'm Rebecca gilly and the funding and building services administrator. I'm

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Eric Gunderson on the planter one but mhm

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you have the ammonium, the public works Director and I'm attending to your webex.

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I will now lead us in the pledge of allegiance

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regulations to flag. All right

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indivisible. With liberty to throw off.

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I will now entertain a motion to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting?

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I'll make a motion to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting. This is late In Iowa

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2nd. This is commissioner Kent McMullin. It is moved by, it has been moved by layton

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motion carries. I'll entertain a motion to approve the meetings from the August 3,

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Commissioner Camp. I move that we approved the meeting the minutes from the August

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Second. It has been moved by Commissioner Mcmullen and seconded by commissioner corrals

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all in favor. Signify by saying aye. Hi I cried

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like a community. Mhm Right no kids, can you hear me

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Mhm It is now time for the public hearing portion of our meeting. Good evening and

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welcome. I will turn things briefly over to our staff host who will go over the ground

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rules for tonight's hearing.

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I got it. Here are the ground rules for tonight's hybrid hearing. These rules primarily

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apply to the folks listening on the other side. Um but uh huh and also

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portion of the hearing giving their name for the audio record as well as if they

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are in favour neutral or against the proposal. Please mute your audio when you're

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turning for a moment to our commissioner members that is keep in mind that we are

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prohibited by law from communicating with members of the public on this subject.

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person. So let us take a minute to consider as to the matters which are before us

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for the hearing today. Whether he had any export a communications, whether we have

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in these matters. Are there any commission members who have a declaration at this

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Let the record show there were no objections. The er the hearing shall be as follows.

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the staff. The applicant or applicants representatives presentation public testimony

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for against or neutral call in public testimony for against or neutral regarding

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the project. Final staff comments. Clarification of public statements that occurred

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planning commission discussion of the proposed action. Are there any procedural questions

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Item one is a public hearing for files. c. p. 2021-08. It is a proposal to allow

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for a commercial winery in the rural Community 1 RC-1 Zone Commercial winery while

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not listed as a conditional use in the RC-1 zone Staff is interpreting

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interpreting as similar to a agricultural use commercial as listed in FCC

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17.18 .040. Yeah. Are there any additional people

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Good time there. Is there anybody anybody looking to log on for public comment?

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Yeah it's all there. I declare the public hearing for c. p. 2021-08 to be open.

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Yeah maybe we have a staff when we have staff present the staff report please. Thank

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you chair and I want to thank everybody especially the folks were here last month

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and had to come back again. We again, apologize for that. Welcome home and thank

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you for how many to our public hearings? Pretty full room doesn't usually happen

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on planning commission days, but happy to see you all. Um hmm. So first of all this

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is a conditional use permit 21-08 for commercial bakery, bakery. Sorry,

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baker commercial winery. Um

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property is located on the south to the south of Hill drive, east west, north of

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Summit loops. I'll have a map. It will make it a little more clear here shortly.

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The address is 4 50 Summit Loop. Al Topia Washington 99330 parcel number 12346 oh

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112. Legal description is lot 12 with west own subdivision recording volume

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D. Of platts, page 3 13 auditors file number 16872 to 1.

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Mhm. So yeah, a little hard to see with the lights, but it's this parcel

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and the loop goes like that. It's a loop hence the name. Uh But

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uh remember it. That's he'll drive up here. Um L Topia West

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is way up here somewhere. Um So that's the main drag. And then, and then it pretty

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much goes into this. Yeah, the there's a

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residence on the property and currently this area here and maybe some others, but

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for sure in this area are a vineyard that Want to say 3-5 years old.

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I'm sure applicant is bill speak to that specifically.

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The com plant designation for this area is rural settlement and the zoning is rural

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community. One RC. One original. Originally we received a request to

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deviate from accessory structure, roof fight standards. As we're reviewing the property

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and other items associated with the application, we notice that there's

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actually a commercial winery and operation um without a conditional

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use permit which would be required. Um It's not unusual for that to occur sometimes

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just folks aren't aware of all the pieces or when we are speaking to each other.

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We're not always on the same page as to what the request is. So um we've received

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no complaints regarding this activity at this. Up to this point. However, such an

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application or use in a RC one zone requires a conditional use permit. So the

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C. P. Was modified to include the or to reflect as a commercial

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winery operation. And the initial request to deviate from the accessory structure,

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roof height standards was rolled into that as part of a conditional use permit. Um

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current property sides of the parcel is approximately 3.12 acres Area to be used

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as approximately two acres. And there's apparently an accessory structure, existing

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shopping house.

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He's a site plan.

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proposed new building is right here.

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they actually want zone does not list commercial wineries and or rural retail businesses.

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Either permitted or conditional use. It also doesn't provide. Um, staffs interpretation

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is the growing of grapes and production of wine. Great profiting should be considered

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a commercial agricultural use. That's our closest nexus. Therefore,

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the requirement go through this uh conditional use process. It's

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in our opinion, most analyses as agricultural use commercial and that is listed as

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a possible conditional use on in this zone. Mhm. Um, tasting rooms and or on site

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sales should be considered retail activities And therefore such uses are not intended

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to be located within the RC one zone As provided for in 17.181 through four

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Staff notified agencies. On August 5, 2021 staff mailed notices to, We mailed the

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notice is the property owners will own mile sign was posted on the property on or

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about the 6th sepa determination of non significance was issued on august 5th in

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public notice was published in the franklin county graphic on august 19th. All these

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were in 2021. Mm. This is the one comment that we received

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at the time we prepared and mailed out our staff reports. Um, or no wait,

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we had other ones do that went. My apologies. Don't be on the next line. We didn't

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So what we have on the left. We did receive a few comments and things after the fact

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mostly via phone or oral. However, the gist of those comments matched up with these

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comments. Um, so

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it's a little hard to see the writing. But the long and short is there's a concern

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regarding traffic impacts of the neighborhood. It's a residential neighborhood. Um

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the there's concern regarding a tasting room with basically folks

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drinking potentially and driving drunk or under the influence.

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There's a lot of kids in the neighborhood and the impact of potentially on them.

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comments aren't in here. They have other, there's one. Okay. Yeah, that is what happened.

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and this is why I bring the folders

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and I apologize.

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Right. Okay. I just I want to look in the that they're not anyone.

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I need to know where they went.

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apologize. Okay. Mhm. Not clear why they're not

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my heart.

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as stated neighbor. Okay, so in the petition just belong with the signatures underneath

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it. Mhm.

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This one um the neighborhood is known for intended purpose of residents living here,

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not for commercial business to operate here location with its properties in the middle

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of said neighborhood and it's not an appropriate setting for commercial watery operation.

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We do not support the permitting of a commercial operation that will be producing

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selling and serving alcohol within a small residential neighborhood. A commercial

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operation would allow for an influx of unwanted noise. People trafficking herb uses

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trash and potential trespassing a residential roads are designed for low volumes

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of residential traffic. It cannot handle excessive commercial music. Opening up of

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private roads for commercial business would create an unwanted increase in traffic

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and cause potential safety issues for residents utilizing said roads for residential

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purposes. The private residential roads in our small neighborhood house three different

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bus stops, one of which sets a mayor 30 ft from the property in question. Children,

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other residents living within our neighborhood should not be subject to the dangers

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of commercial travel or potential drunk drivers leaving the wine tasting facility.

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The preschool operates a few blocks down the street from the property as well. Commercial

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winery operation should not be functioning so closely to our small neighborhood preschool.

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The dimensions of this commercial structure could potentially cause of Israel in

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congruence among our neighbourhood. Since every other structure was in our small

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residential neighborhood. Our compliance with the current residential building codes,

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this structure would be very noticeable and not allowing the intended structure of

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restrictions for the residential neighborhood. By allowing these permits. Planning

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and building just a clarification, we don't allow permit, we merely process these

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things. That this is a decision is made by the Board of County Commissioners, not

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staff um is setting a precedence that encourages individuals to purchase homes in

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rural residential areas instead of purchasing appropriately zoned properties for

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their commercial business endeavors. In conclusion, we encourage the department to

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deny this permit and uphold its responsibility to make responsible safe decisions

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that benefit our community as a whole. And it is signed by judy Booker Carrie and

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john strong luke and Alison strong jenny burke,

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jennifer comfort. I'm sorry. Clapper.

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All right, apology. Yeah, I couldn't tell if it was a C. Or Okay, thank you. Tiffany

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Booker a little bit hall sam GOP poppy.

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Okay. Before Rosenthal from the public so, and then there's a postscript,

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the above signed agree that raising your own great and converting into your own wine

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product is great, but all that has been said and unsaid by the owner and the county

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planning departments left a lot of questions we need answered thank you.

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The other comment. Um they were riding in protest of conditional use

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permit after discussion conversation with me On August nine, the department was

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blatantly sidestepping impacts that the proposed permit would have on our small neighborhood.

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It was communicated that the owners of this parcel were also applying to open a wine

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tasting room within this commercial operation. Below are the reasons why this would

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be detrimental to our small, safe rural neighborhood. This neighborhood is done for

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the intended purpose of residents living here. Not

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okay, can I regret, I just don't want to be reading the same thing over it is grossly

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concerning that this department would not only have allow the function of a commercial

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operation within a residential neighborhood, but a winery in which alcohol will be

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produced sold and served according to the department website, the objective of code

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enforcement program benefit public as a whole and not a specific person. How exactly

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does allowing a commercial winery operation tasting room to function within most

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of the small family oriented residential neighborhood benefit the public And does

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it perhaps instead primarily benefit the specific landowner precedents by approving

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this permit, The board is setting a precedent for future individuals purchase residential

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homes and open similar commercial operations under the umbrella of agriculture instead

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of purchasing property appropriately done for their businesses. I was told my aforementioned

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conversation. Every landowner has the right to agriculture on their property. While

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this statement may be true, I strongly urge the board too consider whether or not

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you're manipulating the reality of what would be taking place growing grapes or the

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agriculture is not the issue here. The issue is the building of this commercial structure

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in the operation of the winery tasting room in the midst of our family oriented neighborhood.

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Three safety, when talking with a neighbor about this permit, they said we're all

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for it, although we don't have small Children. I am hopeful that this board does

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not share the same indifference, roughly a dozen homes in our neighborhood have Children

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playing in their yards and riding their bikes down the street. There are three different

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bus stops within 100 yards of this parcels location, one of mayor 30 ft away. There's

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also a preschool which operates less than 1500 ft away as well. According to the

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franklin County Code of ordinances. The purpose of the zoning is to promote the development

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of a more wholesome and serviceable and attractive county county resulting from an

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orderly planned use of resources turning someone's yard into a commercial winery

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operation and tasting room in the middle of a residential neighborhood is neither

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wholesome nor an orderly planned use of resources, harming property values and the

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character of our community. We live in quiet. I'm sorry this is for harming property

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values and the character of our community. We live in a quiet family, family friendly

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neighborhood. This is not the appropriate setting for a commercial operation or a

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wine tasting room Are roughly 20 homes within close proximity of this property that

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may be subject to a decrease in value as it could be quite a challenge to send sell

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our house homes when there is a wine bar at the bus stop. Furthermore, commercial

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operation would allow for an influx of noise. People rode uses trash potential trespassing

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him, not to mention the great potential of drunk driving from tasting room patrons,

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all of which negatively impact property values. We are pleading with this board to

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be reasonable about the actuality of what you would be allowing to take place by

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approving this permit. We strongly feel that you should next permit and uphold the

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integrity and character of your responsibilities of planning and building department

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personnel which will have a direct influence on the integrity and character of a

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small neighborhood Megan and Jason paper.

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Mhm. No. Um and just how everybody knows you'll have you know we we will have the

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public, I was just wanting to read what was on the slide for folks that couldn't

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necessarily see that public works comment

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there was this is responses right? Yeah, easier spots. Okay

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approach from it is required. These are the comments we received from the various

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agencies during the agency comment period. Um ecology center standard letter received

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dated August 182021. What that covers is basically if you're doing this then you

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need to do that. It's a generic form letter they send out unless they have a specific

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concern regarding a proposal. U. S. Bureau of Reclamation comments were received

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on August 17, 2021. Ben Franklin Health District. Um see

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if he requires existing family family well to be upgraded to a great group B water

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system in accordance with black 24691291 and or benton franklin County.

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Thanks Ben franklin District Board of Health Rules and Regulations # seven mm hmm.

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A new on site sewage system is required and shall be inspected, approved and permitted

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by Ben franklin Health District for this cdP proposal. The existing septic is on

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is permitted only for personal homeowner shop sink and toilet If the tasting room

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has permitted. The proposed establishment shall 10 for food service license to operate

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the proposed station room accordance with 2 46-15. Mhm.

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So the planning commission, so these are recommended finding facts if not open to

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the public and all sales are off site. Then a commercial winery defined as an agricultural

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use in the R. C. One zoning district is in accordance with the goals and policies

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of the county development regulation zoning and the ethical comprehensive plan. Those

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will not adversely and this again is not open to the public will not adversely affect

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public infrastructure. If not open to the public and all sales are off site then

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the proposal will be constructed, maintained and operated to be in harmony with the

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existing or intended character of the general vicinity. If not open to the public

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and all sales are off site then the operation in connection with the proposal will

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not be more objectionable. two nearby properties by reason of noise um vibration,

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dust, traffic with flashing lights that would be the operation of any permitted uses

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in within the district. The operation condition connection with the proposal will

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not be more objectionable than nearby properties

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by reason of Noise didn't I just read that one

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worded differently by reason of noise, fumes, vibration, dust or flashing light that

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would be the operation of any permitted uses within the district and if not open

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to the public and all sales are off site proposal will not endanger the public health

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safety or general welfare located were proposed. Mm

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So are recommended conditions of approval are in addition to standard CP language

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that the commercial winery shall not be open to the public and all sales have been

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conducted off site requires the existing single family well to be upgraded to a group

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B Water system in accordance with wax to 46 on new on

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site sewage system will be required, shall be inspected and approved and permitted

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by the health district and if the tasting room is permitted the proposed staffing

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themselves to obtain a food service license.

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So are suggested motion Is that Franklin County Planning Commission recommended the

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Board of County Commissioners without the six findings. In fact, in 16 conditions

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of approval detail in the staff report and approved case file CP 20 21 Dance 08.

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Um some clarifications on that. So in those six

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conditions of approval around second I gotta go back 16 conditions of

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approval. Um staff is not recommending approval of the

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tasting room or that the facility be open to the public and staff is also recommending

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in the staff report that the all sales be off site. This is because as shown it's

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kind of in the middle of a residential large lot residential zone. Um If it were

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in a different location in the zone, it might be a different story, but that's not

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where we're at, Where we're at is it's a residential neighborhood that said the facility

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has been operating for a number of years um with no complaints from the public brought

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to our office or anything like that. Therefore we believe that the applicant would

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be able to continue operating as they have

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but to do so with the proper permitting which would be required an approval through

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a conditional use permit. The um So that's kind of where we're at on that. I just

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wanted to clarify that. I'm not saying adopt the 166 findings of fact in 16 conditions

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of approval um as necessarily proposed in the original application. But as

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provided for in the staff report. And those are again, as I've stated so

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more than happy to answer any questions. Mhm. Does any commissioner, does any commissioner

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have any questions of staff? Okay.

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Okay. Does the applicant or applicants representative wish to speak?

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Mhm. Yeah.

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Yeah, meditation and well, that's all right man. So now you heard, what does

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that say? This is your opportunity to face in the clarifications, explain anything

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that you want before you have it tomorrow. These these types.

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I understand come up state your name, address at the might Well, I

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guess is that Mike working I guess. Okay, Phil daily for 50 summit lip. I'm the applicant

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or one of the applicants and yeah, I understand where they're coming from with the

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traffic and all that. But and I understand not having an open tasting room. I get

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that it's not going to be a bar or tavern or anything. I was never planned to be

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that. It was only going to be open maybe one or two days a week, maybe in the afternoon,

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friday or saturday afternoon. That's all we had ever envisioned. So, I'm sorry if

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anybody got the wrong idea on what we're really trying to do here. It's really just

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a very small boutique winery is what we got in Division Gene and I were going to

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run and just have a nice little family business there that maybe we're open just

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now and then, but we understand where you're coming. I do have a question On page

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three at the the middle paragraph, you better say? However nothing in this recommendation

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suggests the applicant, not applicant, cannot apply for a short term special event

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permits. What exactly does that mean? I mean, why would I why would I want to do

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that? If I you know, if I'm not allowed to sell alcohol that goes advance or is it

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just for like a dinner? What was your intent with that sentence? Which is yourself?

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Yeah. Page three right here. Last sentence.

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Okay.

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A man altogether.

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It just means that like, I don't know what you would or wouldn't we didn't want it

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to come across as saying that we're like prohibiting you from doing anything out

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there. Other than that, it's just a clarification statement. So they can't be interpreted

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to say that we're trying to ban or recommend banning off. So in other words then

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to also All right. So you say we we should not have a retail operation tasting and

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we understand that. But how about you know, what would like if somebody just drove

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up and wanted to visit our vineyard? Would we be un permitted to sell them a bottle

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of wine if they wanted to buy one? I mean, what's the difference between, you know,

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running an Amway thing and something out of your house and you know, selling the

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bottle of wine? We don't have a retail. We don't have regular hours of operation,

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but a friend or somebody came and visited. You couldn't sell them a bottle of wine.

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Uh huh. Okay. A couple of things. Are you asking about the recommendation made by

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staff or because you have to understand? We're not permitting agency entity. We make

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a recommendation. So I can't tell you answers to those types of questions because

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I'm not the one who sets the final if you're asking about based on my interpretation.

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No, you would not be able to sell it. It's a commercial activity. It's a commercial

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trade. What defines commercial activity is the exchange of goods or services for

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money. Um And so technically, no, you would not be able to do

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that. That would not be, that would not be legal under this recommendation.

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Right. Right. Okay. All right. Well, that's all I have. Thank you for your time.

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Okay. Now we are in the public testimony, uh, section. We want

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people, we're going to break this up into people that want to speak for it against

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it and then neutral. Does anybody want to speak in favour of the project?

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Okay. Nobody Does anybody want to speak against the project?

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Okay.

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Yeah. Right.

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Hi, I'm Megan. Hey, for I live at 3 to 1 summit luke in Al Topia. All you need to

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know. Okay. Um, I want to speak directly about the comments made about the complaints

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that haven't been received to this point. Um, I'd like to point out that I think

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one of the reasons you haven't received complaints because a lot of us as neighbors

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really had no idea about the intended scope of this project, Um, currently as its

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operating, um, right. They have about one acre of grapes, which if you know anything,

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some of your farmers right about the amount of tonnage they can produce their, um,

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it's roughly 122, cases of wine annually. Right. So we just thought it was a neighbor,

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um, making some homemade wine. No big deal. However, um, when we read the report

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given by the landowners, um, that is not what they intend to do moving forward. They

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want to according to the landowners narrative. Um on page 34 of the packet you provided,

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they want to produce 7000 to 10,000 cases of wine annually. They can't do that with

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the grapes they have there. So they'll be tracking those in. Um, so now, right reading

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that we definitely have concerns about our roads being able to handle that Um, about

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our Children, um and traffic being affected by semi trucks bringing in the tonnage.

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That will be required to make the additional 6800 cases of wine that they can't produce

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with what they have on their property. Um Also concerned about the existing operation.

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Um, when looking at their website. Um, they're already advertising that despite their

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tasting room not being open. Um they are more than willing to give tours for their

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growing facility um, and to speak in person about how they can help you enjoy your

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Washington wine experience. Um, if you join their wine club, you can receive complimentary

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tastings for your guest exclusive winemaker, and barrel tasting club dinners and

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other superfund events. So this type of activity is already be encouraged being encouraged

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on their website and that's without the approval of the conditional use permit. They're

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already advertising that, right, that's available. So moving forward, if just even

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the commercial winery operation was approved, we would be concerned as community

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members that this type of activity would probably continue. Um taking place. Um They

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even describe, I like that. You put the picture up there with um all of our houses

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around it because the original photo that was sent out in the notification letter

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only had their parcel. And I just like to point out that this is in the middle of

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20 homes. Um and in the middle of a subdivision, this isn't Walla Walla wine country

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where wine tasting rooms, boutique wineries, our common, this is in the middle of

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a subdivision where no other similar or complementary businesses operate unless you

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want to count. I guess tim's which is a gas station up the road. Maybe his chicken

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taquitos tastes really good at the glass of wine. I don't know, but there's nothing

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like that in this neighborhood because it's designed for us to live in it. Um They

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describe however, their estate on their website, our sunny Al Topia estate was purchased

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as the families first investment into the Washington state agricultural industry.

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Um It's a home in the middle of a subdivision. Um It's built on the site of a former

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irrigated farmland. Stone pillars vineyard provides unique nutrition to the vines

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and the arid climate of the region helped provide the vines with the heat and sunlight

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they love. Um Again, we're referring to a home in the middle of the subdivision and

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when you read that on the website, it's a little misleading and it's little concerning

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for those of us who lived there, that this is how this is being currently advertised

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and what that would look like moving forward if it was approved to operate on any

449
00:44:28,057 --> 00:44:34,039
bigger capacity. Um Not to mention that approving this um would increase their growth.

450
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:39,029
So while you may not have had complaints up to this point Um that's because up to

451
00:44:39,029 --> 00:44:45,011
this point they haven't wanted to build a 6000 square foot facility To produce 7-10,000

452
00:44:45,011 --> 00:44:50,079
cases of wine a year. Again that's a lot more than what's currently being done there.

453
00:44:50,008 --> 00:44:57,032
Um we feel like approving this permit is really setting a precedence to allow other

454
00:44:57,032 --> 00:45:02,022
people to come into our rural communities um instead of buying appropriately zoned

455
00:45:02,038 --> 00:45:07,076
commercial ground um and just open up um whatever commercial businesses they like

456
00:45:07,077 --> 00:45:12,012
all of us up there have big lots um I could plant hops and open up a brewery if I

457
00:45:12,012 --> 00:45:16,011
wanted to. Um But that's not why we live out there. We live out there to get away

458
00:45:16,011 --> 00:45:23,064
from those types of things. Um Moving forward, we do have some questions, I it sounds

459
00:45:23,064 --> 00:45:28,081
like you guys might not be able to answer those, but we do have questions about the

460
00:45:29,019 --> 00:45:34,078
Mhm. Uh special use permits according to R. H. O. A. Agreement and I don't know if

461
00:45:34,078 --> 00:45:39,036
you guys honor those, but there are several components this operation that violate

462
00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:43,066
the terms of our H. O. A. Agreement that all of us have signed special use permits

463
00:45:43,066 --> 00:45:49,061
is one um that has to be voted on by our H. Away. If they do want to utilize those.

464
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:55,026
Not only that but the business operation itself also violates our H. O. A. Uh And

465
00:45:55,026 --> 00:45:59,084
I have copies of this if you guys need that are H. O. A. Agreement specifically states

466
00:45:59,084 --> 00:46:05,072
that businesses in the home are a shop area shall be no greater than 30% of the law

467
00:46:05,073 --> 00:46:12,013
area. Um this parcel is 3.12 acres. The planned usage is two acres. That would definitely

468
00:46:12,014 --> 00:46:18,047
go over that 30%. And again um It would be violating our H. Away which then we could

469
00:46:18,047 --> 00:46:22,029
pursue civilly obviously believe that the civil matter right? Those of us who are

470
00:46:22,029 --> 00:46:29,056
against this. Um So just in conclusion I just want to say that um it's not that we're

471
00:46:29,056 --> 00:46:35,077
against you fill in jan it's not that I'm against wine. Um It's just we just don't

472
00:46:35,077 --> 00:46:41,098
believe that this is an appropriate setting for this type of business with or without

473
00:46:41,098 --> 00:46:49,088
the tasting room. Um And off site sales just reflect, yeah we don't we don't a

474
00:46:49,088 --> 00:46:54,094
choice for civil matters. We have no authority to enforce them. We do review them

475
00:46:54,095 --> 00:46:59,028
on a new subdivision. Was primarily to ensure that they don't violate any sort of

476
00:46:59,028 --> 00:47:06,082
laws other than that it's those a it's a contract between parties. So it's kind of

477
00:47:06,082 --> 00:47:13,095
a if there's a claim that violations occurred and that's kind of a I'm drawing a

478
00:47:13,096 --> 00:47:19,001
blank as a term of the contract, you're not meeting the terms of the agreed to contract

479
00:47:19,078 --> 00:47:27,055
violation of contract, that's how that approach. We don't enforce horus rules. So

480
00:47:27,056 --> 00:47:32,018
it is something we always tell people before you come to us, make sure that your

481
00:47:32,026 --> 00:47:39,066
to is going to allow. Sorry. Mhm. Thank you. Any more

482
00:47:39,066 --> 00:47:47,005
testimony against. Okay. Mhm. Seeing none. Is there any neutral testimony?

483
00:47:48,088 --> 00:47:52,082
Just as clarification, neutral testimony generally means somebody is not necessarily

484
00:47:52,083 --> 00:47:57,011
for or against something or they have questions that they would like clarification

485
00:47:57,012 --> 00:48:02,013
because they don't know enough about the proposal, determined whether they were against.

486
00:48:02,013 --> 00:48:02,029
It.

487
00:48:04,064 --> 00:48:06,059
Does staff have any final comments?

488
00:48:10,067 --> 00:48:15,045
Is there any clarification of public statements needed by anyone from the audience

489
00:48:15,049 --> 00:48:20,077
real quick. I do have one thing, there's uh questions about whether or not the roads

490
00:48:20,077 --> 00:48:28,065
can handle the tonnage or or things like that, that has been reviewed by our

491
00:48:28,065 --> 00:48:36,056
Public works department. Um and they did not determine that, that would be uh

492
00:48:36,057 --> 00:48:44,008
facilitate that, that would uh damage the county's infrastructure. Um

493
00:48:45,097 --> 00:48:51,026
But that's the only clarification I have on it is that they reviewed the proposal.

494
00:48:51,027 --> 00:48:58,048
They provided comments and there was no concerns regarding the volume of traffic

495
00:48:58,048 --> 00:49:05,009
in the proposal or with regard to impact to the record, Not not neighborhood but

496
00:49:05,077 --> 00:49:11,042
um Mr Mahoney's there if he has something to clarify or change regarding what I just

497
00:49:11,042 --> 00:49:13,000
said, mm,

498
00:49:17,057 --> 00:49:23,088
I don't have anything other had other than just to say that when we evaluate all

499
00:49:23,088 --> 00:49:31,074
of these requests that come through, we just um we look at them from the standpoint

500
00:49:31,075 --> 00:49:38,062
of what we call. Yeah. You know, we look at whether additional lanes and all that

501
00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:43,007
needs to he had in this case we didn't see a significant addition to traffic and

502
00:49:44,017 --> 00:49:48,003
and therefore we're aware how the roads were constructed and they were constructed

503
00:49:48,003 --> 00:49:56,001
consistent with well rural standards that exist on the majority of our roots at all

504
00:49:56,011 --> 00:50:02,092
major major loans as we all know. So we just look at it from that standpoint what

505
00:50:02,092 --> 00:50:10,073
we call a level of service evaluation and this did not this particular one did

506
00:50:10,073 --> 00:50:17,076
not increase the traffic to uh take it to a different level of service. So, but so

507
00:50:17,076 --> 00:50:24,007
you don't you don't look at the impact from increased todd image or anything along

508
00:50:24,007 --> 00:50:26,057
those lines in this type of analysis.

509
00:50:29,056 --> 00:50:34,063
Could you repeat that please? Yeah, I said when you're doing the analysis, you're

510
00:50:34,063 --> 00:50:38,098
looking more volume, you don't look at whether or not say right now, maybe it's a

511
00:50:38,099 --> 00:50:46,002
5000 gross truck and and it's fine to that. But now they're bringing in larger trucks,

512
00:50:46,021 --> 00:50:50,007
that's not part of your analysis. I just want to make that clear on the record one

513
00:50:50,007 --> 00:50:57,071
way or the other. Yes, that is part of our analysis as well. How do we know it's

514
00:50:57,073 --> 00:50:59,018
going to be? Yeah.

515
00:51:01,046 --> 00:51:07,092
How do we know? Well we have to go by. What how do you how do you, how do you take

516
00:51:07,092 --> 00:51:11,049
volume into consideration when the facility doesn't exist at the time,

517
00:51:14,022 --> 00:51:19,007
what what we do is we look at, there's actually guidelines out there to look at different

518
00:51:19,007 --> 00:51:26,024
types of facilities and the potential. So what we do is we'll take well look at it

519
00:51:26,024 --> 00:51:32,011
and a lot of cases will take worst case scenario and look at it from that standpoint

520
00:51:32,012 --> 00:51:39,027
that you know, the, there's quite a few guidelines out there for us to utilize and

521
00:51:39,028 --> 00:51:46,078
anticipating traffic levels based on a certain type of commercial facilities

522
00:51:47,056 --> 00:51:52,006
and that's what we did in the paint them. And we also look at the existing structure

523
00:51:52,006 --> 00:51:59,028
of the road. But they said our goal in the, in the county road department is

524
00:51:59,076 --> 00:52:05,011
look at those elements from a neutral standpoint. We don't make any try not to make

525
00:52:05,011 --> 00:52:11,035
any judgments personally on on whether the facility should not exist. We just do

526
00:52:11,035 --> 00:52:17,007
the evaluation based on the best information that we have utilizing the guidelines

527
00:52:17,008 --> 00:52:25,007
that that we have in front of us and do the best we can to just anticipate

528
00:52:25,007 --> 00:52:29,069
what kind of traffic loading we would see very similar to what we've done. And like

529
00:52:29,069 --> 00:52:37,039
I said, I had a on earlier, you know, the, and one of the letters, I think I mentioned

530
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:42,083
a preschool and I would assume that's a conditional use permit. We would have done

531
00:52:42,083 --> 00:52:47,017
the same type of evaluation perhaps specific neighborhood.

532
00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:56,095
Is there any more clarification of public statements for the audience.

533
00:52:59,065 --> 00:53:06,099
Go ahead. Uh huh. Right. Yeah. I'm sorry because we have to get it on the record

534
00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:14,068
and if anybody's listening any bill. Okay, so on page 47 under section

535
00:53:14,068 --> 00:53:21,033
14 transportation, the document that mr baker produced says how many vehicular trips

536
00:53:21,033 --> 00:53:26,014
per day would be generated by the completed project or proposal? Uh The answer states

537
00:53:26,015 --> 00:53:31,041
approximately 34 trips during peak PM hours. Um and this is listed in the paperwork

538
00:53:31,041 --> 00:53:37,006
for the summer and fall summer through the fall um seasons. So can you just clarify

539
00:53:37,007 --> 00:53:42,037
that must be an estimate for tasting room patrons only. Um and not including right.

540
00:53:42,038 --> 00:53:45,048
The trucks bringing grapes in or employees leaving or anything else?

541
00:53:51,035 --> 00:53:56,068
I can tell you from a county road standpoint, that's not the data we use because

542
00:53:57,015 --> 00:54:04,043
even for each household we utilize A minimum of 10 daily trips per household. So

543
00:54:04,043 --> 00:54:09,059
if you're talking three daily trips from our standpoint, that would be 1.5 vehicles

544
00:54:09,006 --> 00:54:14,099
because you've got coming in and going out. So all I can do is just assure you that's

545
00:54:14,099 --> 00:54:22,072
not what we use. We do our own evaluation based on the specific

546
00:54:22,072 --> 00:54:30,025
facilities themselves. So um yeah, if if it's three trips a day that's

547
00:54:31,054 --> 00:54:39,036
Says 34, it's incredibly low. 34, not three. Well

548
00:54:39,036 --> 00:54:44,065
34 is still pretty low. Like I said for one for one standard household, a minimum

549
00:54:44,065 --> 00:54:50,047
is 10 daily trip and that's per day per, you know, for all seven days of the week,

550
00:54:50,094 --> 00:54:58,013
it's over. So for a facility like this, I would assume it Our staff used a much higher

551
00:54:58,013 --> 00:55:05,095
number than 10 daily trips and you're asking yes, this manual, this is a daily trip

552
00:55:05,096 --> 00:55:11,047
general usually unless it's specified otherwise in this manual, if that's what you

553
00:55:11,047 --> 00:55:19,005
are. Right. And so that whatever number then they came up with would include tasting

554
00:55:19,005 --> 00:55:23,066
room patrons and employees and trucking grapes and all of that. It would be inclusive

555
00:55:23,066 --> 00:55:28,095
of based on a statistical modeling that they use for these facilities. So you'll

556
00:55:28,095 --> 00:55:35,085
have mall listed and it'll have like an astronomical way more trips, hospitals,

557
00:55:36,034 --> 00:55:43,003
restaurants, gas stations, different types of uses. And I'm observing. Um, but this

558
00:55:43,003 --> 00:55:50,009
was pulled from that manual. Okay. And to add to that derek, we take a

559
00:55:50,009 --> 00:55:55,093
holistic approach. So, I mean, we look at the whole, we look at the whole neighborhood,

560
00:55:55,093 --> 00:56:01,051
not just that facility. We look at all the daily trips for all of the households

561
00:56:01,051 --> 00:56:09,035
of the residents. Of the types of uses. It could be that could be allowed. So Yeah,

562
00:56:09,036 --> 00:56:17,035
it's not 34 perhaps a day as a result of this application? It's of

563
00:56:17,035 --> 00:56:20,075
course, much higher than that because there are residents out there. Right.

564
00:56:23,023 --> 00:56:27,025
Is there the possibility that they'll be more traffic on this road that we've already,

565
00:56:27,026 --> 00:56:32,059
we've kind of seen that they want to do 7000 cases per year. That property isn't

566
00:56:32,059 --> 00:56:38,004
going to grow that. So there's going to be deliveries of grapes coming in, especially

567
00:56:38,004 --> 00:56:44,007
at peak times of the year. Um is that not a consideration we should take in on the

568
00:56:44,007 --> 00:56:46,075
use of a residential real road.

569
00:56:49,013 --> 00:56:57,004
So I totally, I totally agree that the planning commission should consider that we

570
00:56:57,004 --> 00:57:03,005
look at the existing structure of the road and whether or not it could handle it

571
00:57:03,005 --> 00:57:09,054
as well as the existing width of the, of the existing facilities out there. So we

572
00:57:09,054 --> 00:57:17,034
look at the, the road as they currently exist and, and we run our

573
00:57:17,035 --> 00:57:22,079
and we run our analysis over it and that's not just, you know, we talk in terms of

574
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:30,036
what we call easels, which deals with weight on a road. Um, and so I don't want to

575
00:57:30,036 --> 00:57:36,004
get too much in the weeds that it's, you know, when, you know, when we, when we're

576
00:57:36,004 --> 00:57:41,074
talking internally in our analysis, we're talking easels, which is equivalent axle

577
00:57:41,075 --> 00:57:49,057
weight. It's a per year analysis from and I said, I don't want to get too far in

578
00:57:49,057 --> 00:57:54,033
the weeds, but I just want to assure the planning commission that, you know, we don't

579
00:57:54,034 --> 00:58:01,053
take these, these, you know, applications lightly. We do a full review of them

580
00:58:02,022 --> 00:58:09,085
and certainly uh, we would hold our opinions, the best the best we

581
00:58:09,085 --> 00:58:17,059
can is what he said, we we believe that every applicant should at least have

582
00:58:17,006 --> 00:58:24,089
their, their opportunity to go in front of the, the planning commission. But I

583
00:58:24,089 --> 00:58:28,099
guarantee you if we saw that they believe there was going to be a major issue of

584
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,097
either traffic or the existing structure of the road. We would certainly bring that

585
00:58:33,097 --> 00:58:37,015
up in our comments to the planet.

586
00:58:41,022 --> 00:58:49,016
So uh huh Approximately how many truckloads of imported stuff

587
00:58:49,017 --> 00:58:54,034
do you got to see? Yeah, redevelopment very well. May be a,

588
00:58:56,082 --> 00:59:01,025
I've been the greatest on the back of my trailer, maybe two and that's it for now.

589
00:59:01,062 --> 00:59:07,037
I mean in that 10 7000 cases, that's what you requested of us and you said, tell

590
00:59:07,037 --> 00:59:12,056
me your wildest dreams on how big this could ever ever be and it's never going to

591
00:59:12,057 --> 00:59:17,025
get to that when Janet are running we'll be lucky to get 25, 600 cases

592
00:59:20,022 --> 00:59:24,001
and with that we would, we would call breaks in on the back of the trailer. I mean

593
00:59:24,011 --> 00:59:29,042
there would be very little impact of the road screen trucks. I mean great. Still

594
00:59:29,042 --> 00:59:30,015
weigh that much.

595
00:59:35,092 --> 00:59:36,015
Yeah,

596
00:59:40,082 --> 00:59:48,032
mhm. Any more clarification. Um, as far as the, how they make decisions

597
00:59:48,032 --> 00:59:53,075
regarding the effects of transportation. I notice on page 47 of the packet provided

598
00:59:54,012 --> 00:59:59,075
the question asks, is this site or the affected area currently served by public transit

599
01:00:00,011 --> 01:00:06,002
Mr baker answered no, this site is not currently served by any form of public transportation.

600
01:00:06,021 --> 01:00:10,044
The closest bus stop is in missile which is 11 miles away. I think it's very important

601
01:00:10,044 --> 01:00:14,045
to note that this is false. I have a letter here from Jim Jacobs the Superintendent

602
01:00:14,045 --> 01:00:18,062
of North franklin school district with a lovely map also that outlines the seven

603
01:00:18,062 --> 01:00:23,062
different bus stops in the immediate vicinity of this including what? That's not

604
01:00:23,062 --> 01:00:29,091
what that references public transport. So it's Ben Franklin Transit Authority facility

605
01:00:29,092 --> 01:00:34,012
not a school facilities. So they don't take into consideration the school buses.

606
01:00:37,021 --> 01:00:44,057
Okay that's it. Thank you. Yeah. Any more

607
01:00:44,057 --> 01:00:45,052
clarification.

608
01:00:51,011 --> 01:00:57,056
Seeing none. The public testimony portion of this public hearing for c. p. 2021-08

609
01:00:57,057 --> 01:00:58,043
is closed.

610
01:01:01,001 --> 01:01:05,078
Is there any discussion amongst the planning commission prior to entertaining emotionally?

611
01:01:15,001 --> 01:01:16,083
I will now entertain a motion.

612
01:01:19,071 --> 01:01:20,012
Uh huh.

613
01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:30,066
Is any commissioner interested in making the motion?

614
01:01:33,071 --> 01:01:37,099
Does the most thing have to be a positive recommendations. Not if we vote against

615
01:01:37,099 --> 01:01:38,024
it.

616
01:01:40,051 --> 01:01:47,062
Thank you. And also also please remember as far as the rules go, the making of emotion

617
01:01:47,062 --> 01:01:53,065
does not necessarily articulate your position on the matter. Opens the item up for

618
01:01:53,065 --> 01:02:01,028
discussion between the planning commission and then um well once a

619
01:02:01,029 --> 01:02:07,087
second it um then it will be voted on and then it will be voted on. And that's where

620
01:02:07,088 --> 01:02:11,046
so in other words, just because somebody makes a motion doesn't mean they're necessarily

621
01:02:11,046 --> 01:02:15,001
support the proposal. Another option is to

622
01:02:17,004 --> 01:02:23,052
not make a motion at which point it would died for lack of motion. So

623
01:02:33,001 --> 01:02:40,036
any commissioners. Oh Well I'll make emotion. I'll make emotional side of the Border

624
01:02:40,036 --> 01:02:45,061
County Commissioner's recommendations for denial of 2021 days. Their weight. We don't

625
01:02:45,062 --> 01:02:51,031
do the dial motions because what happens if we end up in a we just make the motion

626
01:02:51,031 --> 01:02:56,008
and then we can vote against it. Vote for or against the motion. But denial motions.

627
01:02:56,081 --> 01:03:04,081
What? That's what I was asking before. So And so do you

628
01:03:04,081 --> 01:03:10,002
want to make the motion? I'm not going to make the most cigarette positive recommendation.

629
01:03:13,004 --> 01:03:16,072
Commissioner Vincent or McMullin.

630
01:03:20,002 --> 01:03:25,008
Daschle lack emotion. If nobody is going to make them Russia, there's no motion.

631
01:03:25,081 --> 01:03:32,039
So, the this is Jim johnson, the Civil Attorney. We just need someone to make a motion

632
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:36,078
and someone to second it so we can vote on it. I understand it appears nobody wants

633
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:43,005
to pass, but we need to get to a voting stage so we can let the commissioners know

634
01:03:43,005 --> 01:03:50,000
that you voted against it because again, just doesn't make Yes, it makes sense.

635
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:57,099
Yes. Chairs busy. He's doing a lot of other stuff in the

636
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:58,062
current year.

637
01:04:04,099 --> 01:04:09,052
All right, well, if we need to just vote on it, then I'll make emotions for Board

638
01:04:09,052 --> 01:04:13,068
of County Commissioners have followed the recommendations for CP 2021 days to wait

639
01:04:13,068 --> 01:04:21,016
and see how everybody votes 2nd. Thank you. Commissioner a very bad

640
01:04:21,016 --> 01:04:29,001
motion. You can hear me. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Yeah. Um

641
01:04:29,049 --> 01:04:35,012
Commissioner Lo has moved and Commissioner Vincent has seconded that we forward to

642
01:04:35,012 --> 01:04:42,091
the board of commissioners a recommendation of approval for C. U p. 2021-8 with the

643
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:49,084
oh goodness With the six findings effect and the 16 conditions of approval.

644
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:53,008
Is there any discussion?

645
01:04:57,029 --> 01:05:03,001
Okay, seeing none. We will have a roll call vote please. Mike Vincent

646
01:05:05,059 --> 01:05:06,022
Mike Flynn

647
01:06:31,068 --> 01:06:37,056
two regarding accessory structure, roof height limit staff, are there any additional

648
01:06:37,057 --> 01:06:40,071
people logging on seeking to comment on this matter?

649
01:06:43,018 --> 01:06:45,071
Thank you along there.

650
01:06:48,008 --> 01:06:52,079
Hold on. Just look we're just right

651
01:06:54,098 --> 01:06:59,049
right so just leave it on. Don't turn it off unless there's some need to.

652
01:07:04,028 --> 01:07:09,001
All right. I got to get the same because picking.

653
01:07:13,078 --> 01:07:14,002
All right.

654
01:07:17,038 --> 01:07:23,075
Mhm. I got distracted europe apologize.

655
01:07:26,098 --> 01:07:31,073
Yes this is a we took this

656
01:07:33,078 --> 01:07:39,019
Conditional use permit. We had three conditional use permits for the same kind of

657
01:07:39,002 --> 01:07:44,061
proposal which was a request to deviate from the allowed heights associated with

658
01:07:44,061 --> 01:07:52,054
accessory structures in the RS 20 zone. Um because we had to move everything to

659
01:07:52,054 --> 01:07:56,086
this one, we consolidate everything into a single hearing because the only difference

660
01:07:56,086 --> 01:08:03,006
between the three applications is the addresses. So um that said at any point in

661
01:08:03,006 --> 01:08:10,026
time if there's any aspect of this presentation that or specific um cp that the planning

662
01:08:10,027 --> 01:08:16,072
commission wishes to discuss or for that matter the public um and call them out specifically

663
01:08:16,072 --> 01:08:24,021
individually. That's totally fine. It's just too move these forward. Otherwise you

664
01:08:24,021 --> 01:08:28,059
would see three different presentations that said the exact same thing except for

665
01:08:28,059 --> 01:08:30,006
the parcel number and address would be different

666
01:08:32,017 --> 01:08:40,000
had We are here with CP 2021-921 10 and 21

667
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,069
11. And these are by 80 construction.

668
01:08:48,064 --> 01:08:50,048
There's actually three properties

669
01:08:53,077 --> 01:08:54,009
and I'll get to that

670
01:08:56,037 --> 01:09:00,089
should elicit that out there. To the properties are located to the north of where

671
01:09:00,089 --> 01:09:02,049
net southwest of.

672
01:09:04,075 --> 01:09:09,087
I'm just gonna skip to the map um I'll get it because we've got different addresses

673
01:09:09,087 --> 01:09:17,075
in different. Mhm. So yes, that part was so I have properties are

674
01:09:17,075 --> 01:09:25,059
located north, all of them are north of we're not than um To our west of road 57

675
01:09:26,077 --> 01:09:33,079
Easter Road 60, all of them are east of road 16 south weeks and road there's one

676
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:36,076
property though that butts roads

677
01:09:40,057 --> 01:09:47,055
two properties about Road 61 property. But road 57 The address are

678
01:09:47,056 --> 01:09:51,019
26 04. Road 57 ah

679
01:09:56,087 --> 01:10:01,029
26 ness is all the single packet.

680
01:10:07,076 --> 01:10:15,037
Hold on, I'm just going to kick over to this map 0.5 15. So yeah, you got

681
01:10:15,037 --> 01:10:23,013
25 15 And 25 9. Those are road 60.

682
01:10:23,028 --> 01:10:29,038
This is the one on road 57. So this is '09, this is 10 and this is 11

683
01:10:30,076 --> 01:10:31,029
mm

684
01:10:37,046 --> 01:10:42,073
all the properties, his own low density residential city of Pasco Yoga allows for

685
01:10:42,073 --> 01:10:50,073
2-5 units per acre residential subject bourbon 20 RS 20 Zone. The request is allowed

686
01:10:50,073 --> 01:10:58,027
deviation from accessory structure 18 Building 18 ft height limit to approximately

687
01:10:58,027 --> 01:11:05,069
19.5. There's a differential about a foot and a half. Um Current property size of

688
01:11:06,026 --> 01:11:13,075
of the parcel for nine is 2.41 acres And then one

689
01:11:13,075 --> 01:11:20,038
acre for CP 2021, 10 and 2021 11 um

690
01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:26,087
There's a single family dwelling on the property for nine

691
01:11:29,036 --> 01:11:36,041
And then 11 has a residence under construction and 10 is vacant. I apologize at the

692
01:11:36,042 --> 01:11:38,018
type of Yeah,

693
01:11:41,093 --> 01:11:49,088
Here's the proposed site map for nine. So here's the house potential

694
01:11:49,088 --> 01:11:52,019
future pool. What's that?

695
01:11:54,046 --> 01:12:02,028
Oh sorry. Um Pool. And then this is the approximate location or the location of the

696
01:12:02,029 --> 01:12:02,084
proposed

697
01:12:06,045 --> 01:12:14,019
is about 60 house proposed shop. This is a 10 and then

698
01:12:14,019 --> 01:12:19,077
11 road 60 house future pool proposed shop.

699
01:12:23,085 --> 01:12:30,048
I have one picture. Um and this is of 09, that's the house that's on 09.

700
01:12:33,024 --> 01:12:40,032
The staff notified agencies on august faith 2021 mailed notices to property owners

701
01:12:40,032 --> 01:12:42,017
within one mile

702
01:12:44,025 --> 01:12:51,091
or 500 ft I think it was 500 ft. Right, okay. Um sign was

703
01:12:51,091 --> 01:12:56,099
posted on the property on or about August five, See if the determination non significance

704
01:12:56,099 --> 01:13:01,081
was issued on August five. and public notices Published in Franklin County Graphic

705
01:13:01,081 --> 01:13:02,088
on August 19.

706
01:13:07,065 --> 01:13:13,079
We did not receive any written comments as of August 30, I did get a couple of calls

707
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:20,006
asking for clarification as to what you know, sign represented. Um and then one party

708
01:13:20,061 --> 01:13:25,065
did mention that they weren't keen on it. They didn't necessarily want this to move

709
01:13:25,065 --> 01:13:31,009
forward but it's not part of the record per se except for just to indicate that they're

710
01:13:31,091 --> 01:13:37,077
not all people were just neutral about it but they didn't provide written comments.

711
01:13:38,055 --> 01:13:46,054
Mhm. Um Public works stated that approach permits would be and this is these comments

712
01:13:46,054 --> 01:13:52,067
are the same for all of the cps uh approach from it is required

713
01:13:54,035 --> 01:14:01,095
ecology Providing a standard letter received August 18 no comments from the franklin

714
01:14:01,095 --> 01:14:09,095
County irrigation district or concerns and health issue had no

715
01:14:09,095 --> 01:14:13,076
comments or objection for a deviation to accessory structure heights.

716
01:14:19,014 --> 01:14:19,067
Mm

717
01:14:21,084 --> 01:14:28,021
um Both uses in the RS 20 zoning district is in accordance the purpose for this,

718
01:14:28,021 --> 01:14:35,052
which I probably should have explained as the to allow for the parking of rVs and

719
01:14:35,052 --> 01:14:43,032
these structures With the nowadays you got different ranges, some as many as

720
01:14:43,032 --> 01:14:49,074
14 or 16 ft when you throw in the a. c. unit and therefore northwest according to

721
01:14:49,074 --> 01:14:54,035
the applicant was to be able to accommodate those for future homes.

722
01:14:57,084 --> 01:15:03,056
So, uh proposed uses in the RS 20 signing is in accordance with goals and policies.

723
01:15:03,056 --> 01:15:11,046
Italian development. Red Okay, what is that?

724
01:15:11,094 --> 01:15:13,056
My family's looking

725
01:15:15,084 --> 01:15:22,012
four. The proposal will not adversely affect public infrastructure. Will it will

726
01:15:22,012 --> 01:15:26,014
be constructed maintained, operated to be in harmony. Generally speaking, you're

727
01:15:26,014 --> 01:15:33,008
not going to see it 1.5 visually see that difference in height, elevation ground

728
01:15:34,074 --> 01:15:40,086
provide that. So that's part of the basis for our decision There proposal will be

729
01:15:40,086 --> 01:15:44,076
constructed, maintained operated be in harmony with the existing or intended character.

730
01:15:45,024 --> 01:15:45,087
Um

731
01:15:48,014 --> 01:15:55,096
Uh huh fabric all correctly. You know, we're talking matching um Rouge materials

732
01:15:55,097 --> 01:15:58,037
matching siding material,

733
01:16:00,073 --> 01:16:06,012
location, height. Like I just said, we're looking at about a foot and a half and

734
01:16:06,012 --> 01:16:12,036
just natural a vision of the ground can deviate that much. So hence we don't believe

735
01:16:12,036 --> 01:16:17,045
that it would discourage the development of permitted uses or impair the value thereof.

736
01:16:20,023 --> 01:16:26,002
Um These these structures are intended for the purpose of residential use, not not

737
01:16:26,002 --> 01:16:31,086
to live in, but I mean basic residential storage buildings or keeping cars or vehicles

738
01:16:31,086 --> 01:16:39,003
or things like that. Um and they will not endanger the public health safety or general

739
01:16:39,003 --> 01:16:42,085
welfare is located were proposed. Again, we're only talking about height difference.

740
01:16:42,085 --> 01:16:48,079
We're not talking about increased volumes of traffic or strange uses or anything

741
01:16:48,008 --> 01:16:49,034
going on.

742
01:16:52,012 --> 01:16:58,046
Building permits will be required. I can't hear anything on web it. Okay,

743
01:17:01,003 --> 01:17:02,046
well, it was the last thing you heard.

744
01:17:04,053 --> 01:17:09,025
Okay, no, course here,

745
01:17:13,073 --> 01:17:16,035
but how far back do I need to go?

746
01:17:22,063 --> 01:17:29,065
I can now. Yeah, it's been maybe a minute or so.

747
01:17:30,073 --> 01:17:38,049
What's going on? Did you see the slides? I could watch it on a V captures. I could

748
01:17:38,049 --> 01:17:44,044
tell you were still talking because I could I could see it moving. Um and I can see

749
01:17:44,044 --> 01:17:48,085
your I've been watching your slides on A. B capture and listening on the way back.

750
01:17:49,033 --> 01:17:50,074
Okay. I see what you're saying.

751
01:17:53,033 --> 01:17:58,096
I'll just I'll go back and kind of explain to our justification for findings of fact,

752
01:18:00,032 --> 01:18:00,094
um,

753
01:18:03,012 --> 01:18:08,097
the proposed use, um, the desire to store personal equipment in the building is in

754
01:18:08,097 --> 01:18:14,084
accordance with the county development regulation zoning in the ethical comp plan.

755
01:18:15,062 --> 01:18:22,065
These are proposed for residential use not to live in, but for residential type activities.

756
01:18:23,022 --> 01:18:29,053
Um, They won't impact the public infrastructure. The

757
01:18:30,052 --> 01:18:36,018
Different or the quest is about approximately 1.5 ft taller than what would normally

758
01:18:36,018 --> 01:18:43,042
be allowed. But you can't even generally see. And also elevations, just natural elevations

759
01:18:43,042 --> 01:18:49,003
or changes in grade on property could project of building at least that high, um,

760
01:18:49,042 --> 01:18:53,019
said therefore, we believe that it would be constructed maintained operated to be

761
01:18:53,019 --> 01:19:00,071
in harmony. Um, the location height will not discourage or harm the uses on

762
01:19:00,071 --> 01:19:06,009
property in the general vicinity. The operation in connection with the proposal will

763
01:19:06,009 --> 01:19:10,074
not be more objectionable, It's just a little bit taller.

764
01:19:12,092 --> 01:19:19,013
Yeah, that's not. And then, uh, the proposal, again, increasing the height of the

765
01:19:19,014 --> 01:19:22,082
structures, would not endanger the health safety and general welfare of located were

766
01:19:22,082 --> 01:19:23,043
proposed.

767
01:19:25,052 --> 01:19:33,018
Um, building permits will be required and these would be required to be

768
01:19:33,018 --> 01:19:37,089
compatible, similar roofing, siding materials with type and color and similar in

769
01:19:37,089 --> 01:19:44,044
relation to the primary home Since their proposed to be larger than 1680 square feet.

770
01:19:45,002 --> 01:19:52,074
So in other words, they'll match the house and our suggested motion

771
01:19:53,012 --> 01:19:57,015
as as stated. Any questions.

772
01:19:59,092 --> 01:20:02,044
Does any commissioner have any questions of staff?

773
01:20:05,081 --> 01:20:13,001
Yes. So we have three different the U. K. We'll need to make a motion on each one.

774
01:20:13,002 --> 01:20:20,012
I appreciate you asking that. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a structure on each one?

775
01:20:20,051 --> 01:20:26,054
Some. Okay so right now we've got one built one under construction and um

776
01:20:28,061 --> 01:20:33,028
One most likely planets vacant that said what he's doing is he's looking to get pre

777
01:20:33,028 --> 01:20:38,026
approval for it. So he would not be permitted to start construction on those until

778
01:20:38,026 --> 01:20:44,000
he's recent least 50 of the residents. The residents has to be at least 50 has to

779
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:50,056
be permitted and it has to be under construction before he'd build. We do allow for

780
01:20:50,056 --> 01:20:56,028
simultaneous bills too. But the point being is he can't on that bacon property he

781
01:20:56,028 --> 01:21:02,081
cannot start construction of the storage building until the residents then the permits

782
01:21:02,081 --> 01:21:08,094
been issued for that property. Okay. And so it requires three suggested for yourself,

783
01:21:09,081 --> 01:21:15,094
correct? Yes. Yeah. Any more questions.

784
01:21:18,091 --> 01:21:22,002
Does the applicant or applicants representative wish to speak?

785
01:21:27,081 --> 01:21:31,044
Is there any public testimony for the project?

786
01:21:34,041 --> 01:21:37,004
Is there any testimony against or neutral?

787
01:21:40,041 --> 01:21:42,072
Is there any call in public testimony?

788
01:21:44,091 --> 01:21:49,012
No. Does staff have any final comments?

789
01:21:52,081 --> 01:21:57,089
Is there any clarification of public statements needed by anyone in the audience?

790
01:22:01,002 --> 01:22:08,091
Public testimony portion of public hearing. C. U. P. 2021 09 10 11 is closed.

791
01:22:09,007 --> 01:22:14,029
Yeah. Is there any discussion amongst the planning commission prior to entertaining

792
01:22:14,029 --> 01:22:14,089
emotion?

793
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,032
I would entertain a motion please.

794
01:22:23,058 --> 01:22:29,001
This is Commissioner Mcmullen. I would move to forward to the Board of Commissioners

795
01:22:29,001 --> 01:22:36,076
a positive recommendation of C. U. P 2021-9 with six findings of fact

796
01:22:36,077 --> 01:22:44,047
and nine suggested conditions of approval. Second, it's been moved by Commissioner

797
01:22:44,048 --> 01:22:49,007
Mcmullen and seconded by my by commissioner corrals that before order forward to

798
01:22:49,007 --> 01:22:54,012
the board of commissioners a positive recommendation for C. U. P.

799
01:22:55,005 --> 01:23:02,051
2021 nine correct 9 with

800
01:23:02,051 --> 01:23:10,015
the uh huh deductible six findings effect and nine suggested

801
01:23:10,015 --> 01:23:18,002
conditions of approval. May we have a roll call vote please? Mike Vincent

802
01:23:24,002 --> 01:23:32,001
Mike Vincent Layton low. Here we know, yep. Yeah. Mhm.

803
01:23:32,005 --> 01:23:39,091
For mike Vincent Uh huh. Commissioner latent Low. Yes.

804
01:23:40,008 --> 01:23:47,024
Commissioner Mike paralysis. Yes. Richard can't. Mcmullen. Yes.

805
01:23:48,005 --> 01:23:50,009
Mr Chairman the emotion.

806
01:23:53,006 --> 01:23:59,063
Okay. Uh If I can make it, I would recommend we just do that and then just change

807
01:23:59,063 --> 01:24:07,012
that last number. Yeah. Okay, um I will entertain a motion for

808
01:24:07,012 --> 01:24:11,092
the Next Parcel which is 010 which is 10.

809
01:24:14,069 --> 01:24:20,029
Commissioner McMullen, I would move to forward to the Board of Commissioners a positive

810
01:24:20,029 --> 01:24:28,014
recommendation of c. p. 2021-10 With six findings of fact and nine suggested

811
01:24:28,014 --> 01:24:29,041
conditions of approval.

812
01:24:34,019 --> 01:24:41,054
Second, it's been moved by Commissioner McMullin and seconded by Commissioner Corrales

813
01:24:41,073 --> 01:24:45,048
but we forward to the Board of Commissioners recommendation of approval for C. U.

814
01:24:45,048 --> 01:24:53,009
P. 2021 10 With the six findings effect and the nine conditions approval. Is there

815
01:24:53,009 --> 01:24:54,011
any discussion?

816
01:24:56,079 --> 01:25:01,041
Seeing none? Maybe we have a roll call vote. Commissioner Mike Vincent

817
01:25:04,069 --> 01:25:12,052
Commissioner late and low Yes. Commissioner Mike Corrales. Yes.

818
01:25:13,019 --> 01:25:18,012
Commissioner Kent McMullin. Yes. Commissioner Mike Vincent.

819
01:25:20,059 --> 01:25:28,039
All right, Yeah. Can you hear me now? The motion is approved. Mhm. I will

820
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:33,008
now entertain a motion on dash 11

821
01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:41,013
Again. This is commissioner McMullen. I moved to forward to the Board of Commissioners

822
01:25:41,013 --> 01:25:48,074
a positive recommendation of c. 2021 11 with six findings of

823
01:25:48,074 --> 01:25:56,073
fact and nine suggested conditions of approval. Mhm I'll second that motion.

824
01:25:56,073 --> 01:26:02,098
This is Commissioner Vincent. It has been moved by Commissioner Mcmullen and seconded

825
01:26:02,098 --> 01:26:06,095
by Commissioner Vincent that way forward to the Board of Commissioners. A recommendation

826
01:26:06,095 --> 01:26:14,049
of approval for C. U p 2021-11 with the six findings of fact and the nine

827
01:26:14,049 --> 01:26:18,022
suggested conditions of approval. Is there any discussion?

828
01:26:20,048 --> 01:26:28,009
See none. May we have a roll call vote please? Mike Vincent. Yeah,

829
01:26:29,028 --> 01:26:30,009
missing her latent low.

830
01:26:32,048 --> 01:26:40,042
Yes. Commissioner Mike Corrales. Yes. Commissioner Can't Mcmullen. Yes. Mr

831
01:26:40,042 --> 01:26:42,071
Chairman, the motion has been approved

832
01:26:45,057 --> 01:26:53,032
Item # three, Item 3 is a public hearing for files c. 2021-12. It is a

833
01:26:53,032 --> 01:26:57,091
proposal to allow for the installation of a church which is allowed only with an

834
01:26:57,091 --> 01:27:04,028
approval approved conditional use permit application purposes applicant proposes

835
01:27:04,029 --> 01:27:11,003
to build Features such as a 38,502 sq ft church facility,

836
01:27:11,032 --> 01:27:19,021
1800 square foot maintenance building and a 339 parking space, Parking

837
01:27:19,021 --> 01:27:24,018
spaces that includes 888 parking spaces. Additionally, there are plans to have a

838
01:27:24,018 --> 01:27:32,005
private cemetery for the church congregants and creating at and creating access to

839
01:27:32,005 --> 01:27:39,059
tailor flats road. Mhm. Staff further mm.

840
01:27:44,038 --> 01:27:49,049
Are there any people logged in with comments? No,

841
01:27:51,098 --> 01:27:59,017
I declare the public hearing for c. u. p. 2021 Open may we have staff present the

842
01:27:59,017 --> 01:28:06,096
report. Thanks chair. This is your CP 2021-12 or 12 conditional use permit for the

843
01:28:06,096 --> 01:28:08,069
signing of a church.

844
01:28:11,097 --> 01:28:16,089
The property is located the north of Clark Road, south of South Landing Road, east

845
01:28:16,089 --> 01:28:22,047
of taylor Flash road and west of Lake North Road. Current address, there is no current

846
01:28:22,047 --> 01:28:30,008
address to vacant parcel. Oh, Proposal Number 124340043 legal

847
01:28:30,008 --> 01:28:35,073
descriptions. Northwest. Well, I'm not gonna read that a whole bunch of letters.

848
01:28:35,074 --> 01:28:43,042
Um Yeah, except that there's a 30 ft chunk of that property

849
01:28:43,062 --> 01:28:44,018
anyways.

850
01:28:47,077 --> 01:28:48,079
This is the site.

851
01:28:52,017 --> 01:28:59,099
So that's the site. This is taylor flat roads. The access is proposed basically runs

852
01:28:59,099 --> 01:29:04,004
right along that section line. There's 30 ft on

853
01:29:06,047 --> 01:29:11,063
halfs north of it, half south of it. So that's roughly the center line. There's actually

854
01:29:11,063 --> 01:29:17,064
a couple of different pieces that are kind of cobbled together to create that access,

855
01:29:17,064 --> 01:29:20,055
but they all they are continuous

856
01:29:26,097 --> 01:29:32,038
com plan designation for the properties. Agricultural designing is Agricultural production

857
01:29:32,038 --> 01:29:39,078
28 20 to request to build a church facility with 393 parking spaces,

858
01:29:41,057 --> 01:29:49,038
a maintenance building, private sector cemetery and access to and an access

859
01:29:49,038 --> 01:29:50,089
road to tailor flats road

860
01:29:54,007 --> 01:30:01,059
Probably size is approximately 40.32 acres area to be used as 2.46 and

861
01:30:01,006 --> 01:30:08,085
features church maintenance building, private cemetery access road. This is the first

862
01:30:08,085 --> 01:30:12,088
site plan, the church building here

863
01:30:17,026 --> 01:30:24,079
than the maintenance building stuff was over there, correct flowing

864
01:30:25,066 --> 01:30:32,001
that's the maintenance building. I was gonna say. What is that? There's like a smart

865
01:30:32,024 --> 01:30:32,068
building.

866
01:30:34,086 --> 01:30:35,019
Mhm.

867
01:30:37,086 --> 01:30:43,075
Was that the septic drain field. Okay. Okay. And that's some sort of retention upon.

868
01:30:43,075 --> 01:30:44,038
It looks like

869
01:30:46,046 --> 01:30:47,069
where is the storage building?

870
01:30:51,096 --> 01:30:58,083
I just can't quite read it. Yeah, southeast corner right here. Yeah. Sorry about

871
01:30:58,084 --> 01:31:00,068
that. Okay,

872
01:31:06,056 --> 01:31:13,033
so here's a get him vicinity map broader larger area, that's pretty much what it

873
01:31:13,033 --> 01:31:14,038
looks like out there.

874
01:31:18,066 --> 01:31:21,078
Different crop circle then it looks like crops but

875
01:31:23,096 --> 01:31:29,026
and again that's showing the access proposed access route goes through to access

876
01:31:29,026 --> 01:31:29,097
the property.

877
01:31:33,026 --> 01:31:41,015
So it's two easements that were granted to franklin County and um it

878
01:31:41,015 --> 01:31:46,019
would extend from the northwestern edge of the site and terminated taylor flats road.

879
01:31:49,096 --> 01:31:57,066
So on September 20 September 2nd 2021 Staff notified agencies melt notices to

880
01:31:57,066 --> 01:32:04,057
property is within one mile a sign was posted on the property. See if the determination

881
01:32:04,057 --> 01:32:10,048
of non significance was issued and public notice was published in franklin County

882
01:32:10,048 --> 01:32:11,008
graphic

883
01:32:15,035 --> 01:32:21,009
mm how it works responded proposed access the site will need to be designed for current

884
01:32:21,009 --> 01:32:28,091
county road standards, tearing lives will be required on taylor flats road and approach

885
01:32:28,091 --> 01:32:36,049
from it will be required. Any utility extensions that across franklin County roads

886
01:32:36,049 --> 01:32:42,038
will be addressed at the time of the actual structure application. Again, this is

887
01:32:42,038 --> 01:32:46,067
a conditional use permit. The applicant is merely seeking permission to proceed with

888
01:32:46,067 --> 01:32:48,097
the application to actually build

889
01:32:51,075 --> 01:32:58,064
ecology standard. Again, standard letter received, which is again just that generic

890
01:32:58,064 --> 01:33:06,045
language. Big Man Electric Cooperative sent response email dated September

891
01:33:06,045 --> 01:33:08,007
13, 2021 which is in the pop.

892
01:33:13,075 --> 01:33:21,064
Why do I have clothes just outside of BBC's service area? Yeah. Is that what

893
01:33:21,064 --> 01:33:28,093
their comment was? Okay. So and basically

894
01:33:28,094 --> 01:33:33,097
peut has no issues with the property. What's gonna happen is gonna need power. They'll

895
01:33:33,097 --> 01:33:37,068
have to go in there and they have to talk to them and it's really between the landowner

896
01:33:37,068 --> 01:33:43,011
and the electric provider as to what requirements, standards or or systems need to

897
01:33:43,011 --> 01:33:48,083
be installed by the landowner to accommodate to propose use on the property. So they

898
01:33:48,084 --> 01:33:56,057
tend to not get too detailed most of the time, especially out in these areas. Um

899
01:33:58,025 --> 01:34:02,063
And then the health district stay, they have no objections provided the applicant

900
01:34:02,063 --> 01:34:07,059
obtains the on site sewer permit and approval for public water supply through the

901
01:34:07,006 --> 01:34:08,095
through the health district.

902
01:34:11,034 --> 01:34:12,037
Yeah. Okay.

903
01:34:17,034 --> 01:34:19,059
What the findings of

904
01:34:22,094 --> 01:34:23,017
Yeah

905
01:34:27,034 --> 01:34:31,017
what do you mean? So he's busy etc.

906
01:34:37,064 --> 01:34:42,006
Oh yeah yeah. Okay

907
01:34:46,024 --> 01:34:50,055
so you're talking about the thank you sir. Hold on.

908
01:34:54,024 --> 01:34:55,056
Well we got hold on

909
01:35:03,024 --> 01:35:03,096
we will

910
01:35:06,024 --> 01:35:07,086
get that taken care of now.

911
01:35:10,054 --> 01:35:16,001
Okay so the proposed users in the a. p. 20 go ahead and leave that up. Unless is

912
01:35:16,002 --> 01:35:23,087
okay. Okay. Um

913
01:35:56,064 --> 01:36:00,035
I apologize for this, we'll get this real quick. I just wanted

914
01:36:03,013 --> 01:36:03,034
Mhm.

915
01:36:12,023 --> 01:36:15,085
Okay and of course now it's being all weird with the formality.

916
01:36:21,053 --> 01:36:21,074
Mhm.

917
01:36:33,003 --> 01:36:37,056
Mhm. Okay. Bad thing

918
01:36:49,043 --> 01:36:51,046
let's trust which no

919
01:36:56,033 --> 01:36:57,046
got a place in the staff

920
01:37:03,093 --> 01:37:10,055
now this is a photo why wouldn't let me amend it? That's weird, keith grabbing instead.

921
01:37:11,063 --> 01:37:12,014
Not good.

922
01:37:25,083 --> 01:37:33,064
All right. Anyways go back oh just turn the power point

923
01:37:33,064 --> 01:37:36,015
back on. Hi.

924
01:37:42,083 --> 01:37:43,006
Okay.

925
01:37:52,043 --> 01:37:55,058
Oh because I've already set off the hairline,

926
01:37:57,073 --> 01:38:02,054
it's just so it won't let me Okay, whatever.

927
01:38:15,092 --> 01:38:16,025
Mhm.

928
01:38:21,042 --> 01:38:27,093
So these are recommended findings of fact that it will not

929
01:38:31,052 --> 01:38:36,043
the proposed uses in accordance providing all the required conditions are met because

930
01:38:36,043 --> 01:38:42,064
we will not adversely the fact public infrastructure again providing the required

931
01:38:42,064 --> 01:38:47,085
conditions are met, proposal will be constructed maintained operated to be in harmony.

932
01:38:48,032 --> 01:38:54,008
This is the right to farm area so the you know, as long as the surrounding farmers,

933
01:38:55,062 --> 01:39:03,021
you know operate as is industry norms um there's no claim for

934
01:39:03,021 --> 01:39:11,003
noise, dust smells, things like that, cattle operations operating next door.

935
01:39:12,012 --> 01:39:18,072
All of that's protected in franklin County mm. Therefore all of those activities

936
01:39:18,072 --> 01:39:24,052
would be able to continue and then the residential lots to the east would also be

937
01:39:24,052 --> 01:39:31,093
able to continue and may actually benefit from the access um the operation

938
01:39:38,002 --> 01:39:45,012
those are the same conditions fighting a fast have any really. Okay. Thought that

939
01:39:45,012 --> 01:39:46,043
was the case on the last one

940
01:39:51,092 --> 01:39:59,011
and um for whatever reason I could not remove this line from the slide so I apologize

941
01:39:59,025 --> 01:40:06,032
it just it just who wouldn't let me. So this is proposed finding a fact not

942
01:40:07,011 --> 01:40:13,072
including that and again providing the required conditions are met. There's no reason

943
01:40:13,072 --> 01:40:18,008
to suspect that the the proposal would endanger the public health safety or general

944
01:40:18,008 --> 01:40:22,012
welfare it's located were proposed.

945
01:40:26,001 --> 01:40:33,081
Um These are in addition to our standard C. P. These are

946
01:40:33,081 --> 01:40:35,063
recommended conditions of approval

947
01:40:39,021 --> 01:40:42,003
which I already kind of mentioned in the comments section.

948
01:40:45,031 --> 01:40:47,068
And this is the recommended motion.

949
01:40:53,091 --> 01:40:57,032
Does any commission or have any questions of Staff

950
01:41:00,081 --> 01:41:07,079
Commissioner McMullan, I didn't find anything in the packet regarding cemetery requirements.

951
01:41:07,079 --> 01:41:14,057
Is that not something that comes before the planning commission? Um That is requirements

952
01:41:14,057 --> 01:41:19,007
for liners, that kind of thing for burial is that that would all under different

953
01:41:19,007 --> 01:41:24,044
agency. It would be under a different agency as far as I understand. I have no regulations

954
01:41:25,011 --> 01:41:29,094
regarding cemeteries. My understanding is that is um

955
01:41:32,001 --> 01:41:36,075
those cemeteries are one of the few properties are allowed to be segregated without

956
01:41:36,076 --> 01:41:42,009
going through the subdivision process. They have special rules. I would assume there's

957
01:41:42,009 --> 01:41:46,033
a state agency at this point in time. They're not looking to actually install it.

958
01:41:46,091 --> 01:41:51,032
They're looking for your mission to be able to do so in the potential future as part

959
01:41:51,032 --> 01:41:58,022
of this application. Um Technical stuff like that would not be under our purview,

960
01:41:58,022 --> 01:42:05,053
that's whoever regulates and I'm still looking to figure that one out. I just haven't

961
01:42:05,053 --> 01:42:11,039
had an opportunity to nail it down. But it's again, this is a general request. The

962
01:42:11,039 --> 01:42:15,084
specifics associated with the church, that volumes of traffic, things like that.

963
01:42:15,085 --> 01:42:21,046
But the specific of how the the cemetery would need to be laid out in the specific

964
01:42:21,046 --> 01:42:26,084
requirements that's usually regulated through whoever regulates funeral directors

965
01:42:26,084 --> 01:42:28,092
and things like that. Thank you

966
01:42:32,002 --> 01:42:33,022
any more questions.

967
01:42:36,006 --> 01:42:39,062
Does the applicant or applicants representative wish to speak?

968
01:42:47,009 --> 01:42:55,001
My name is Dave Hall, me, I'm a member of the old apostolic Lutheran church

969
01:42:55,001 --> 01:43:02,042
and a retired land use consultants. So they asked me to assist them

970
01:43:03,001 --> 01:43:10,052
in this endeavor. I do want to point out a a typo in

971
01:43:10,053 --> 01:43:17,033
the your statement of facts property to be used

972
01:43:17,073 --> 01:43:24,083
Approximately 2.46 acres. that should be 1246 acres to include the

973
01:43:25,007 --> 01:43:29,055
all of the immensity zor improvements on the site.

974
01:43:32,005 --> 01:43:39,012
We do want to concur and support this statement of facts.

975
01:43:40,001 --> 01:43:47,025
Our statement are the findings and the requirements as listed by the staff. We certainly

976
01:43:47,025 --> 01:43:55,025
do acknowledge that the right to farm and we believe that there's certainly

977
01:43:55,026 --> 01:44:02,042
compatibility the old apostolic Lutheran church says facilities across the country.

978
01:44:02,043 --> 01:44:09,036
Many of them are located in the rural areas surrounded by farmland. Our churches

979
01:44:09,036 --> 01:44:16,091
are only used for religious worship, not further activities. So sunday is the

980
01:44:16,092 --> 01:44:23,081
predominant they of use with the exception of weddings and funerals.

981
01:44:25,059 --> 01:44:33,012
In answer to the question about the cemetery, we have constructed cemeteries that

982
01:44:33,012 --> 01:44:39,012
some of our other church sites across the country, including in the state of Washington.

983
01:44:39,012 --> 01:44:46,065
And yes, there are are CWS that specifically require cemeteries to be

984
01:44:46,065 --> 01:44:52,092
operated in a particular way and designed. And there's also as Derek pointed out,

985
01:44:53,069 --> 01:45:00,082
the funeral board that deals with those regulations and permitting

986
01:45:00,083 --> 01:45:07,065
processes. Would be happy to answer any specific questions that you may have about

987
01:45:07,066 --> 01:45:15,008
this project? Uh This particular layout in facility? If this is approved,

988
01:45:16,049 --> 01:45:23,024
It would actually be the 7th church of this design and layout that has been recently

989
01:45:23,024 --> 01:45:31,000
constructed. And we have developed this prototypical site design and facility

990
01:45:31,001 --> 01:45:36,098
because it's worked so well. We are under construction at the present time with a

991
01:45:36,098 --> 01:45:44,027
very similar church size and layout and design just

992
01:45:44,028 --> 01:45:52,003
east of battleground Washington And here several months ago just completed one in

993
01:45:52,003 --> 01:45:59,094
Lewis County, just outside the town of wind lock. So this is a is a

994
01:45:59,094 --> 01:46:06,081
familiar design that we have been using for our church facilities

995
01:46:08,018 --> 01:46:11,009
please to answer any questions that anyone might have.

996
01:46:16,038 --> 01:46:24,031
Thank you. Mhm. Is there any public testimony for this project.

997
01:46:28,008 --> 01:46:31,021
Was there any against the project

998
01:46:33,038 --> 01:46:34,021
or neutral?

999
01:46:38,018 --> 01:46:45,093
Is there any call in testimony? Yes, yes. Uh huh. I'm guessing Ross

1000
01:46:45,093 --> 01:46:53,033
Carpenter 34 20 road 88. Uh I guess basically I've got a parcel land that borders

1001
01:46:53,033 --> 01:47:00,021
the the the southeast corner of this. Okay. Um Okay,

1002
01:47:01,018 --> 01:47:07,021
I guess my question is for 80 acres and they're going to have 12 acres. What's the

1003
01:47:07,021 --> 01:47:14,042
proposal for the rest of the, basically what would it be uh 65, acres or something?

1004
01:47:14,042 --> 01:47:16,059
What what do they plan on doing with the rest of it?

1005
01:47:18,088 --> 01:47:23,096
That's that's really up to them. I mean they have no requirement, they could leave

1006
01:47:23,096 --> 01:47:30,001
it vacant or propose something at a later date. If it were to be used for ag land

1007
01:47:30,001 --> 01:47:34,082
or ag use or something like that then we would, you know, they could lease it, they

1008
01:47:34,082 --> 01:47:39,077
can do whatever they wanted to with it uh Within I mean within the allowed uses,

1009
01:47:39,078 --> 01:47:44,075
if they were to do anything beyond or expand the footprint as proposed, they would

1010
01:47:44,075 --> 01:47:50,038
have to come back to us regarding that action. Okay, I guess my question because

1011
01:47:50,038 --> 01:47:58,009
of that is uh I live out the most paschal Argent rode and rode 100 Olson

1012
01:47:58,009 --> 01:48:05,028
farm for years, A church got it, and it was supposed to be a school there at church

1013
01:48:05,028 --> 01:48:11,009
school and ball fields and stuff and the next thing turned into a housing development.

1014
01:48:12,057 --> 01:48:18,075
So I guess at some point you kind of question what goes on and I'm, and I don't have

1015
01:48:18,075 --> 01:48:24,048
a problem with the church. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a church and all that

1016
01:48:24,048 --> 01:48:30,065
ground in church property than a bunch of houses around. Um, but it just makes me

1017
01:48:30,065 --> 01:48:36,069
wonder why all that ground and then you had this, I guess it's page

1018
01:48:39,007 --> 01:48:47,001
50 58. Um kind of the layout of what the property is going

1019
01:48:47,001 --> 01:48:54,087
to look like and well you said that's a settling pond out in there. I

1020
01:48:54,087 --> 01:49:02,009
guess it would be proof east of the church from

1021
01:49:04,057 --> 01:49:12,017
talking about. Yeah, that's settling on now. The settling pond is up for

1022
01:49:12,017 --> 01:49:19,019
sanitary purposes. I would guess it's for running potentially for

1023
01:49:20,017 --> 01:49:27,065
run off. Okay. For like storm drains and stuff. Okay. Okay. We'll have your basic

1024
01:49:27,065 --> 01:49:34,052
septic drain field system and not a settling system upon. I don't believe that we

1025
01:49:34,052 --> 01:49:40,042
can do, I don't even know if you're allowed to do open water. You got a pretty major

1026
01:49:40,042 --> 01:49:45,006
permit. Okay. Okay. Well I was just curious because I said settling pond and um,

1027
01:49:48,027 --> 01:49:55,003
because I've been around those in the past and there's not which you really consider.

1028
01:49:55,027 --> 01:50:01,005
I'm pretty sure they're not accept it anymore. That's my understand too. I mean that

1029
01:50:01,005 --> 01:50:08,005
would be between them and the health district, but I would be surprised if open the

1030
01:50:08,051 --> 01:50:13,061
other controllers. Um, I got a few questions. I hope I don't take up too much of

1031
01:50:13,061 --> 01:50:20,048
your time, but I bought my property out there and in fact it's parcel

1032
01:50:21,076 --> 01:50:29,004
124,341,060 right now sir, can you look up here and let me, it would

1033
01:50:29,004 --> 01:50:36,002
be right in the very corner this one no right on the very corner of the proposed

1034
01:50:36,003 --> 01:50:43,005
site. Oh down now. Down down down right there right there. You're in those that glamour.

1035
01:50:43,006 --> 01:50:48,078
Yeah. Now there's 16 properties in there, Yep. Okay, Yep. Okay.

1036
01:50:54,057 --> 01:51:01,002
I got a noise issue from me at times possibly I bought that land. I go out there

1037
01:51:01,002 --> 01:51:07,069
and I shoot quite a bit. Okay now what's that going to do it for me or against me

1038
01:51:08,056 --> 01:51:12,039
because I don't want to interfere if they've got a service or something going. But

1039
01:51:12,004 --> 01:51:15,045
on the other token I've been out there for a long time and I don't go out there and

1040
01:51:15,045 --> 01:51:18,072
shoot every day. I don't shoot every week. But when I go out there I'd like to use

1041
01:51:18,072 --> 01:51:25,082
my property and so I don't regulate shooting a problem. No, I'm saying what I mean

1042
01:51:25,083 --> 01:51:31,027
is it's legal to shoot out there then then as long as you're operating within your

1043
01:51:31,027 --> 01:51:37,005
legal rights and you're not doing stuff I can't speak to what I can't prohibit a

1044
01:51:37,005 --> 01:51:42,001
party from taking action or doing something against another party that there's there's

1045
01:51:42,001 --> 01:51:46,057
nothing that we have the authority to do that. But in the same token maybe there

1046
01:51:46,057 --> 01:51:50,078
could be some ways of learning what their activities are down the road or something.

1047
01:51:50,079 --> 01:51:54,069
So a person could work together. That's all I'm trying to say communicate and work

1048
01:51:54,069 --> 01:52:00,007
together, but, and that would be between land. I can't mandate that. All right. I

1049
01:52:00,071 --> 01:52:06,076
wish I could. Now. You said in there, I looked at some where I saw a hard surfaced

1050
01:52:06,076 --> 01:52:14,048
road okay. On page 33 it says a road access 24 ft and I thought it said gravel,

1051
01:52:18,005 --> 01:52:22,097
it's going to be whatever the public works requires for that type of Okay, So I,

1052
01:52:24,085 --> 01:52:30,042
um, or, and or what they propose for example, it may be that public works says all

1053
01:52:30,042 --> 01:52:35,086
you need to gravel road, but then they choose to put in a paved or not. You know,

1054
01:52:35,086 --> 01:52:40,023
that would be up to them. But I would have to go back and look at that. I apologize.

1055
01:52:40,024 --> 01:52:46,007
Well, just, you know, and I'm just saying I'm just trying to be neutral, but it's

1056
01:52:46,007 --> 01:52:49,044
just like all of a sudden this come up and I've been real busy and I haven't had

1057
01:52:49,045 --> 01:52:53,009
time to really. I wish I could have got this packet and I would have maybe ask more

1058
01:52:53,009 --> 01:52:58,011
questions and not bothered you guys here at this meeting. Oh, so you're fine. That's

1059
01:52:58,011 --> 01:53:00,016
what the purpose of this me out of it.

1060
01:53:03,005 --> 01:53:08,002
So basically, I mean the design standards associated with the road are going to be

1061
01:53:08,002 --> 01:53:15,075
based on a few different caveats, you know, volume with 300 400 ft,

1062
01:53:15,076 --> 01:53:23,011
393 parking spaces. Um, you know, that load may

1063
01:53:23,011 --> 01:53:30,035
trigger a, and it didn't say specifically in the

1064
01:53:30,036 --> 01:53:36,043
comments, but again, that's going to be post from access to the, the exam for Canada

1065
01:53:36,052 --> 01:53:44,000
standards independence. I want for an access road. Um, and I just don't know

1066
01:53:44,043 --> 01:53:51,099
what that means. I apologize. All right. Wait, New Red will need to be accepted in

1067
01:53:51,099 --> 01:53:57,012
the county and required to be hard service. So it should be paid. Okay. So it won't

1068
01:53:57,012 --> 01:53:58,058
be a gravel road that will be paid.

1069
01:54:00,064 --> 01:54:06,012
That's my understanding. Okay. Well, I guess that's because there was too, I saw

1070
01:54:06,013 --> 01:54:12,006
two different, um, statements in there. One was for a hard surface road. One was

1071
01:54:12,006 --> 01:54:14,016
for 24 ft gravel road.

1072
01:54:16,054 --> 01:54:22,095
Okay. I will look into that and we'll make that clarification. I apologize for that.

1073
01:54:23,074 --> 01:54:30,083
Um, and the location of the cemetery and that's kind of not anything set in stone

1074
01:54:30,084 --> 01:54:38,002
per se. It's just something that is maybe going to be down the road according to

1075
01:54:38,002 --> 01:54:45,026
that. Okay. And things like proximity and where I would have to be final cited would

1076
01:54:45,027 --> 01:54:49,088
be up to the agency for control over that and the cemetery is going to be that bottom

1077
01:54:49,088 --> 01:54:57,077
piece. The dark that piece right there. Is that correct? Okay. Okay. Yeah.

1078
01:54:59,074 --> 01:55:04,027
Okay. Um, and I guess, uh,

1079
01:55:06,044 --> 01:55:12,058
what I really came here tonight to, is, uh, is a prime opportunity to ask some questions

1080
01:55:12,058 --> 01:55:16,096
about this because this is going to be dealing with roads and right aways.

1081
01:55:19,034 --> 01:55:25,018
Who would I see or who could I talk to about establishing some right aways for those

1082
01:55:25,018 --> 01:55:31,016
landowners out there because right now I encroach that property to come out to my

1083
01:55:31,016 --> 01:55:38,006
property and I don't have any problems with establishing something for people to

1084
01:55:38,006 --> 01:55:44,016
be able to work together and have access to getting out there. But what's going to

1085
01:55:44,016 --> 01:55:49,046
happen is the longer this goes on, it's going to get squeezed down tighter and tighter

1086
01:55:49,046 --> 01:55:56,018
and then it's going to be issues. So who would I talk to about getting Access to

1087
01:55:56,018 --> 01:56:00,005
these properties? Well, I mean, I don't know if anybody else here is a landowner

1088
01:56:00,005 --> 01:56:03,024
on those 16 parcels but

1089
01:56:05,073 --> 01:56:11,051
Okay. And I know he's been working his money off trying to get that's that's going

1090
01:56:11,051 --> 01:56:16,024
through there. Okay. Well who do you talk to? That's why I'm here. Who would there's

1091
01:56:16,025 --> 01:56:24,001
there if you're asking too get dedicated right of way or something like that? That

1092
01:56:24,002 --> 01:56:30,011
that would be the land owners. Okay. And then once that those deeds were established

1093
01:56:30,011 --> 01:56:36,046
and things like that, access these men's and things than you would apply to install

1094
01:56:36,046 --> 01:56:41,041
the road or a lot of it depends on the specifics associated with what it is you're

1095
01:56:41,041 --> 01:56:47,088
proposing, but then you would get first step is to get those things recorded and

1096
01:56:47,089 --> 01:56:53,033
all the affected landowners on board with it or at least the majority enough of them

1097
01:56:53,033 --> 01:57:01,003
to get the access going. I know there's already access is in here. I can't

1098
01:57:01,004 --> 01:57:06,069
believe this when it runs through there. Yeah, yeah. They all have access easement

1099
01:57:06,007 --> 01:57:13,006
on them. Okay. No, but to access the property from what I understand this has been,

1100
01:57:13,007 --> 01:57:20,027
there's been an issue regarding like being a where the people come up in the south.

1101
01:57:20,028 --> 01:57:25,065
They come in, I don't think very often coming from the north, but I usually come

1102
01:57:25,065 --> 01:57:29,082
down the power line road and go east on the power line road and then write down the

1103
01:57:29,086 --> 01:57:35,023
right joining with 40 years. The church is going to be, it's a little outside the

1104
01:57:35,024 --> 01:57:42,023
purview of this meeting. Um, but feel free to give me a call. Uh, we can talk off.

1105
01:57:44,083 --> 01:57:50,009
Okay. That's basically what I was wanting to find out. I won't, I won't probably

1106
01:57:50,009 --> 01:57:53,092
be the one helping you get the road, but I'll be able to figure out how to get you

1107
01:57:53,092 --> 01:57:58,039
to talk to. Well, at least I start moving forward to answer some questions about

1108
01:57:58,004 --> 01:58:02,094
this because it's going to get more confusing as time goes on and so it's better

1109
01:58:02,094 --> 01:58:09,051
to try to establish something before it becomes a big mess. Uh, these access, this

1110
01:58:09,052 --> 01:58:15,071
access to here is dedicated. I'm sorry, not through here to hear that is a county

1111
01:58:15,071 --> 01:58:21,082
dedicated right away. So that's permit anybody can use that. The problem is that

1112
01:58:21,082 --> 01:58:26,041
it doesn't seem to move beyond Right. Right. It stops pretty much as a stop at that

1113
01:58:26,042 --> 01:58:32,008
corner where the church is Okay. And so now but that road's been there for quite

1114
01:58:32,008 --> 01:58:37,061
a while and it says private property, no trespassing all the time. Now that's county

1115
01:58:37,061 --> 01:58:42,064
road, why would somebody be able to put a sign up there? It's not it's not county

1116
01:58:42,064 --> 01:58:48,027
road, it's just easement that has been dedicated accounting for the use. So basically

1117
01:58:48,027 --> 01:58:52,086
what happened is that the county had come decided they wanted to put in the road,

1118
01:58:52,087 --> 01:58:57,003
then they'd be able to just put in that road uh and then

1119
01:58:59,042 --> 01:59:04,022
but that hasn't been developed. So these folks have decided that they want to go

1120
01:59:04,022 --> 01:59:10,046
ahead and do that and put up the expense to put in that access road. Um Otherwise

1121
01:59:10,046 --> 01:59:16,011
they won't be able to access that property. So it's kind of a condition. Uh But they,

1122
01:59:16,012 --> 01:59:20,097
you know, eyes wide open on that. You know, they knew they acquired this property

1123
01:59:20,097 --> 01:59:28,075
that they would need to put in this access. Now what they do with it and how, you

1124
01:59:28,075 --> 01:59:31,083
know, as far as access rights and stuff like that, that would be a discussion you'd

1125
01:59:31,083 --> 01:59:35,081
have to have with them. That would be what that you would have to happen with them.

1126
01:59:35,082 --> 01:59:39,052
Yeah. Okay. All right, well let's at least give me some answers here and then I can

1127
01:59:39,052 --> 01:59:42,035
go from there, but I appreciate your time. Thank you.

1128
01:59:45,002 --> 01:59:45,025
Mhm.

1129
01:59:48,043 --> 01:59:50,092
There's no call in testimony.

1130
01:59:55,082 --> 02:00:02,018
The staff have any final comments. Not at this time. Is there any clarification of

1131
02:00:02,018 --> 02:00:05,006
public statements needed by anyone in the audience.

1132
02:00:07,051 --> 02:00:09,013
Uh huh Question.

1133
02:00:15,031 --> 02:00:22,093
So my name is ricardo cuevas and I own the parcel that shares the the south

1134
02:00:24,001 --> 02:00:31,072
east corner of that a lot. So to the left problem. So

1135
02:00:32,031 --> 02:00:38,036
I'd like to say that I and most of the owners from those properties I communicate

1136
02:00:38,036 --> 02:00:42,061
with and most of them are happy uh to see that something is happening especially

1137
02:00:42,061 --> 02:00:48,066
at church. So just on behalf of that, just uh know that there are a lot of happy

1138
02:00:48,066 --> 02:00:53,064
people that are already owning land close to their happy to hear of what's happening.

1139
02:00:53,065 --> 02:00:59,005
I only have one question and I don't know if you guys have the answer, if you guys

1140
02:00:59,051 --> 02:01:07,046
or you guys have the answer to it and that has to do with with the well And uh the

1141
02:01:07,046 --> 02:01:11,045
allotted amount, I believe it said something about 5000 gallons. I don't know if

1142
02:01:11,045 --> 02:01:19,012
that was per day. I think it's on there. But for me, my question would become

1143
02:01:21,031 --> 02:01:28,007
if the cemetery will continue to grow and most of that would become cemetery. Most

1144
02:01:28,007 --> 02:01:35,024
likely every cemetery that I've seen is grass. And for me, I don't know how it would

1145
02:01:35,024 --> 02:01:40,088
affect just the aquifers in general from those those areas. So I think that's my

1146
02:01:40,088 --> 02:01:46,036
only question um that I have, I know that this pond, that's right here. I've seen

1147
02:01:46,036 --> 02:01:50,027
the irrigation of franklin County there all the time. and I don't know if that water

1148
02:01:50,027 --> 02:01:58,022
specifically comes pumped from the river versus the aquifers, but I just want a little

1149
02:01:58,022 --> 02:02:03,006
bit of information if that were possible. Just to understand if that could potentially

1150
02:02:03,006 --> 02:02:07,048
be a route instead so that the wells would not be affected as much. And again, I

1151
02:02:07,048 --> 02:02:14,077
am, I am not an expert in it. So some clarification would be would be awesome just

1152
02:02:14,077 --> 02:02:18,008
so that we understand whether if it's going to be significant and I know that I'm

1153
02:02:18,008 --> 02:02:22,002
there that it said that it wouldn't with that plan, but if the cemetery would continue

1154
02:02:22,002 --> 02:02:27,016
to grow and that grass grass would need to be watered daily. I just would like to

1155
02:02:27,016 --> 02:02:32,062
know if it would be affected and if there could be a potential to, to use the irrigation

1156
02:02:32,062 --> 02:02:37,093
water if it came from the river instead of directly from the aquifers, uh, the irrigation

1157
02:02:37,093 --> 02:02:45,088
system and specifics would be up to U. S. B. R. And or BB era skip it because

1158
02:02:45,088 --> 02:02:51,058
they're the ones that control that, so the exact point source that they would make

1159
02:02:51,058 --> 02:02:56,025
those contamination. I doubt that parcel has any water. If it did it be irrigated

1160
02:02:56,025 --> 02:03:00,082
right now. So that doesn't have any irrigation water. Right. But they may be able

1161
02:03:00,082 --> 02:03:06,058
to know what are you saying that they don't have any services available if it's not

1162
02:03:06,058 --> 02:03:12,007
irrigated. It's because it doesn't have water period. Okay, so whatever their plans

1163
02:03:12,007 --> 02:03:17,044
are for water, they have to get a well permit or water access. It's not an irrigation

1164
02:03:17,044 --> 02:03:24,052
district and it doesn't have whoever access either. Am I correct? Yes. Yeah I was

1165
02:03:24,052 --> 02:03:31,082
going to say the The 5000 a day rule applies to exempt wells. Okay. Um

1166
02:03:32,003 --> 02:03:36,099
that and that's for like the whole what they call the whole subdivision usually or

1167
02:03:36,099 --> 02:03:43,092
something like that. The they to have to coordinate with

1168
02:03:43,093 --> 02:03:50,009
ecology. Um Health district and potentially the irrigation districts regarding how

1169
02:03:50,009 --> 02:03:57,006
all that works out again. This proposal is this the application the C. D.

1170
02:03:57,006 --> 02:04:04,007
C. Is for permission to apply For the specific

1171
02:04:04,071 --> 02:04:10,004
details. So this is more of that 30,000 ft level whether or not they'll be able to

1172
02:04:10,004 --> 02:04:15,079
meet the requirements or conditions associated with actual construction is completely

1173
02:04:15,079 --> 02:04:23,046
different element. Um It just does if they do receive approval

1174
02:04:23,046 --> 02:04:29,035
doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be able to meet all the material needs to do

1175
02:04:29,036 --> 02:04:34,004
what they're doing. We're not at that technical level yet. Okay awesome. Thank you.

1176
02:04:34,041 --> 02:04:35,007
Thank you

1177
02:04:39,089 --> 02:04:47,087
Any more questions. Does the staff have any final comments? one More Question For

1178
02:04:47,087 --> 02:04:55,081
You. Right here on 43 of page 43. Number five,

1179
02:04:55,082 --> 02:04:59,064
separate source of irrigation water shall be implemented and provided during the

1180
02:04:59,064 --> 02:05:06,006
life of the project to mitigate groundwater withdrawals via exempt exempt exempt

1181
02:05:06,006 --> 02:05:13,001
wells. So that's not our agency. We don't do that. They have to deal with that with

1182
02:05:13,001 --> 02:05:17,029
the Health department or the department of ecology that has nothing to do with us.

1183
02:05:17,036 --> 02:05:23,001
So you're talking about the secret mitigation requirement. I don't know what that

1184
02:05:23,001 --> 02:05:28,096
is, but the water issue is not our issue. It's just exactly what. So if you guys

1185
02:05:28,097 --> 02:05:33,099
vote on this, there's no water issue. Then if they can't get the water, they can't

1186
02:05:33,099 --> 02:05:38,039
build their facility. When they apply to build the actual structure, they'll have

1187
02:05:38,039 --> 02:05:43,043
to provide us with all this stuff. If they come out and say you need a class a water

1188
02:05:43,043 --> 02:05:48,031
system, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then that's what will happen. That comes later.

1189
02:05:48,032 --> 02:05:55,032
So that, that's round the pond. Right? I don't, it's somebody's pond and I don't

1190
02:05:55,032 --> 02:06:01,006
know where that water comes from. It might, they might have a river permit or well,

1191
02:06:01,006 --> 02:06:09,005
permit and what are you guys proposal for florida? No department drill. Well,

1192
02:06:09,088 --> 02:06:17,033
We were told al adequate for 5000 gallons a day. Uh, that's, that's their limit on

1193
02:06:17,033 --> 02:06:24,015
an exempt Well, Yeah, it's state law department of ecology limits in the exempt wells

1194
02:06:24,015 --> 02:06:27,008
to 5000 gallons a day. And even though this is a large structure,

1195
02:06:29,068 --> 02:06:35,082
it will take many. Excuse me, based on the experience that we've had with the similar

1196
02:06:35,082 --> 02:06:43,025
buildings of this size at full capacity. The maximum amount of water uses around

1197
02:06:43,026 --> 02:06:50,031
2000 gallons Per day of service, saw Sunday as 2000 gallons the rest of the week.

1198
02:06:50,068 --> 02:06:58,004
The church may not be used. So we're not even approaching the 5000 gallons of usage

1199
02:06:58,004 --> 02:07:05,091
per day because of our facilities being used for worship only. These guys seem very

1200
02:07:05,091 --> 02:07:11,091
concerned about the water. Just a little perspective one of those little tiny circles

1201
02:07:11,091 --> 02:07:19,062
you see on that screen Uses 1300 gallons a minute A minute. 5000 gallons a day

1202
02:07:19,063 --> 02:07:27,004
is nothing. Think so. Some of those are none of those are well. So that's why I wanted

1203
02:07:27,041 --> 02:07:33,005
because of the river and I feel like because as much the film but again that those

1204
02:07:33,005 --> 02:07:37,088
aren't our issues we can't do anything with. Yeah. Uh huh.

1205
02:07:40,078 --> 02:07:46,037
How would you say you can't really compare those circles that they're pulling off

1206
02:07:46,038 --> 02:07:51,074
that set that are? Well again I'm just I'm just giving you a perspective of how much

1207
02:07:51,074 --> 02:07:58,092
water is used. And the church uses very little water work. Again. Not our issue and

1208
02:07:58,092 --> 02:08:04,079
we can't address it here any more questions besides the water. Okay

1209
02:08:06,027 --> 02:08:14,009
uh Public testimony portion of this hearing for c. p. 2021-12 is closed. Is

1210
02:08:14,009 --> 02:08:19,049
there any discussion amongst planning commission prior or entertaining emotion?

1211
02:08:23,027 --> 02:08:30,046
Mm Did we have a changing a change of one of the six findings of fact in regard

1212
02:08:30,047 --> 02:08:36,093
to the acreage? I couldn't find it on the Where the acreage has been? In my packet.

1213
02:08:36,093 --> 02:08:42,019
I couldn't find where the acreage has been misstated. It's not in the finding it

1214
02:08:42,026 --> 02:08:47,005
right at the beginning property to be used on page three. I see. Okay thank you.

1215
02:08:48,077 --> 02:08:52,008
I've marked it. I will go through and make sure that we've corrected if it shows

1216
02:08:52,008 --> 02:08:55,068
up somewhere else. Thank you. Mm.

1217
02:08:59,017 --> 02:09:00,049
Any more discussion?

1218
02:09:06,034 --> 02:09:08,049
I would like to entertain a motion.

1219
02:09:11,047 --> 02:09:16,079
This is Commissioner MCB on. I would move to forward to the border Commissioners

1220
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:22,008
a positive recommendation of C. U. P. 20 21-12

1221
02:09:24,027 --> 02:09:31,001
With six findings of fact and nine suggested conditions of approval.

1222
02:09:33,087 --> 02:09:40,075
This is a whole room A 17 I'm sorry, correct.

1223
02:09:40,076 --> 02:09:47,096
Ok. 9 17 17 conditions conditions of approval

1224
02:09:47,097 --> 02:09:50,079
suggested conditions of approval. Is there a second

1225
02:09:53,084 --> 02:09:55,004
2nd this is commissioner Loeb

1226
02:09:57,017 --> 02:10:02,069
Right. Commissioner Mcmullen moved and commissioner low seconded that we forward

1227
02:10:02,069 --> 02:10:09,058
to the board of commissioners a recommendation of approval for C. U. P. 2021-12 with

1228
02:10:09,058 --> 02:10:17,001
the nine findings of fact six fighting's effect and 17 conditions of

1229
02:10:17,001 --> 02:10:17,071
approval.

1230
02:10:21,082 --> 02:10:29,053
Is there any discussion? Get tired, get tired seen none. May we have a roll call

1231
02:10:29,053 --> 02:10:33,019
vote. Commissioner Mike Vincent.

1232
02:10:35,046 --> 02:10:43,006
Yeah. Commissioner, late and low Yes. Commissioner Mike Corrales.

1233
02:10:43,061 --> 02:10:51,037
Yes. Commissioner can't Mcmullen. Yes. Mr Chairman, the motion is approved.

1234
02:10:53,006 --> 02:10:59,055
Uh huh. Item four, item number four is a public hearing for file S. U. B.

1235
02:10:59,056 --> 02:11:05,041
2021-6. It is a proposal to allow for development of a single family residential

1236
02:11:05,041 --> 02:11:12,016
subdivision comprising of one parcel totaling approximately 10 acres and creating

1237
02:11:12,017 --> 02:11:19,046
8 1 acre law minimum. The area where the project is proposed has a zoning designation

1238
02:11:19,046 --> 02:11:25,097
of rural residential one R. R dash one for the comprehensive plants as a plan designation

1239
02:11:25,097 --> 02:11:27,019
of rural residential.

1240
02:11:35,066 --> 02:11:38,079
Thank you. Chair as day this is a

1241
02:11:40,096 --> 02:11:47,038
request to for a preliminary platt creating a lot subdivision, residential subdivision

1242
02:11:47,096 --> 02:11:53,059
located in the Clarks edition, planetary planets. Eight single family residential

1243
02:11:53,059 --> 02:11:59,056
lots of Africans HDL, acting as agents for the owner Rita's eric goes up. The project

1244
02:11:59,056 --> 02:12:04,013
is to subdivide approximately 10 acres comprising one property and eight approximately

1245
02:12:04,013 --> 02:12:10,048
one acre parcels for residential use. A parcel number Is 1, 1 4 - 4 to go to five.

1246
02:12:10,095 --> 02:12:17,066
It's vacant and as mentioned, locating Clark tradition zoning is rural residential.

1247
02:12:17,066 --> 02:12:20,061
One comp land designation is rural residential.

1248
02:12:25,015 --> 02:12:32,018
This is a subject property access will be from an extension of roberta road that

1249
02:12:32,019 --> 02:12:34,048
has develop

1250
02:12:36,095 --> 02:12:43,001
um to some degree through here, but as you can see, the existing road structure does

1251
02:12:43,001 --> 02:12:49,037
not necessarily meet before we went to the right of way specifics of how that will

1252
02:12:49,038 --> 02:12:56,071
be designed will be done at the time of actual development. Um Another access is

1253
02:12:56,071 --> 02:13:03,094
proposed to come into here. This is ivy road, this is shown on the plateau as being

1254
02:13:03,095 --> 02:13:10,047
quell street. Um It would become quell road because we have roads, not streets, um

1255
02:13:11,015 --> 02:13:17,003
I'm not sure what this would be called, I assume it would be quail as well, but um

1256
02:13:17,031 --> 02:13:20,066
so that's that's a proposed access onto the site.

1257
02:13:24,005 --> 02:13:24,038
Mhm.

1258
02:13:28,035 --> 02:13:29,016
Yeah. Okay.

1259
02:13:33,055 --> 02:13:41,035
Mhm. Yeah. Again, this is the actual layout of the proposed platz or the access coming

1260
02:13:41,035 --> 02:13:49,007
up through the middle roberta roads here. Well, roads here linking to and then this

1261
02:13:49,007 --> 02:13:51,037
goes up Navy Road to be about right there.

1262
02:13:56,025 --> 02:13:56,076
Mhm.

1263
02:14:00,014 --> 02:14:08,003
Um It's 20 21 12. We have provided a SEPA they included documentation with

1264
02:14:08,031 --> 02:14:15,044
self imposed mitigation measurement measures, for parks and recreation impact, transportation

1265
02:14:15,044 --> 02:14:23,035
impacts and for school facility impact based on some paperwork and information known

1266
02:14:23,035 --> 02:14:28,027
at the time. County building planning to our issue to seek the determination of DNS

1267
02:14:29,014 --> 02:14:35,026
Discrimination of non significance on June 17 and comments were due by July one several

1268
02:14:35,026 --> 02:14:42,079
comments were received our car melody there from agencies. Um I have

1269
02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:50,056
one comment with concerns about access and Mhm.

1270
02:14:51,024 --> 02:14:56,046
Then other people were asking a lot about whether or not they'd be able to continue

1271
02:14:56,047 --> 02:14:57,055
using the

1272
02:15:02,044 --> 02:15:07,036
asking whether they'd be able to do this and keep I guess this continues down and

1273
02:15:07,055 --> 02:15:14,027
people come down here at the bottom of this trap circle. I inform them I can't speak

1274
02:15:14,027 --> 02:15:18,043
to that because once they crossed that line right there they were moving on private

1275
02:15:18,044 --> 02:15:26,027
property and that was between them landowner. Um The proposed access would be

1276
02:15:26,084 --> 02:15:34,027
this and then anything beyond that we can't speak to. Mm I mean there is

1277
02:15:35,064 --> 02:15:41,021
this continuation potentially but that's not what they were asking about. They were

1278
02:15:41,021 --> 02:15:42,017
actually about that.

1279
02:15:48,024 --> 02:15:52,009
The passing school district appealed to see if the determination our an agreement

1280
02:15:52,091 --> 02:15:59,078
was reached between the african and PSD On three September 2020 one and the appeal

1281
02:15:59,079 --> 02:16:04,015
was withdrawn and that's why this has been delayed. Um

1282
02:16:06,063 --> 02:16:14,052
was pending that as mentioned, 10 plus minus acres has funded along the

1283
02:16:14,052 --> 02:16:18,067
west extensive roberta road connects to every road be a proposed new access to the

1284
02:16:18,068 --> 02:16:23,083
north welfare, proposing new rules of residential parcels be provided with private

1285
02:16:23,083 --> 02:16:28,044
wells and private septic system for each lot, no more than one half acre of each

1286
02:16:28,044 --> 02:16:34,016
property shall be irrigated using private wealth. The entire subdivision is limited

1287
02:16:34,016 --> 02:16:41,065
to no more than It says two more than but it should say no more than 5000 gallons

1288
02:16:41,065 --> 02:16:47,014
per day. Fire suppression we provide through fire separation requirements found in

1289
02:16:47,015 --> 02:16:54,003
FCC. In other words, they have increased requirements of setbacks and separation

1290
02:16:54,003 --> 02:17:01,063
between structures, rural fire standards basically. Um It's located within franklin

1291
02:17:01,063 --> 02:17:07,098
PDD service area and as mentioned, the school district passing school that serves

1292
02:17:07,098 --> 02:17:08,055
the area.

1293
02:17:10,093 --> 02:17:12,096
Staff does recommend that the

1294
02:17:15,003 --> 02:17:20,016
planning commission for positive recognition to the Franklin County Board of Commissioners

1295
02:17:20,016 --> 02:17:27,083
for applications, 21 sub 21, 2021 66 suggestion findings of fact and six

1296
02:17:27,083 --> 02:17:33,015
suggested conditions of approval. These conditions are in addition to the mitigation

1297
02:17:33,015 --> 02:17:39,005
requirements listed in the sepa DNS reality is you'll see that there may be some

1298
02:17:39,005 --> 02:17:44,023
overlap there, but um didn't want you to think that there were only the six conditions,

1299
02:17:44,023 --> 02:17:50,097
there's also mitigation requirements. ZEPa DNS or sepa mitigations are different

1300
02:17:50,098 --> 02:17:57,017
than counting mitigations. Uh sometimes they can be the same, but in that role I'm

1301
02:17:57,017 --> 02:18:02,087
acting not as an asian of the county. I'm acting as an agent of the state with regard

1302
02:18:02,087 --> 02:18:08,000
to the enforcement of the SEPA State Environmental Policy Act. So sometimes you may

1303
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:12,047
see overlap but I just wanted to point out that there are eight mitigation requirements

1304
02:18:12,047 --> 02:18:13,083
listed in the SEPA DNS

1305
02:18:15,092 --> 02:18:18,034
and recommended motion.

1306
02:18:20,092 --> 02:18:22,054
Any questions, any questions.

1307
02:18:27,012 --> 02:18:29,014
Mhm. Any questions of staff.

1308
02:18:32,052 --> 02:18:36,003
Does the applicant or applicant representative wish to speak?

1309
02:18:40,042 --> 02:18:42,054
Is there any public testimony for

1310
02:18:45,082 --> 02:18:48,054
any testimony against or neutral?

1311
02:18:51,042 --> 02:18:53,004
And he call in testimony?

1312
02:18:55,072 --> 02:19:02,074
Does the staff have any final comments? Nothing at this time. Is there any clarification

1313
02:19:02,074 --> 02:19:05,074
of public statements needed from anyone in the audience?

1314
02:19:09,032 --> 02:19:14,036
The public testimony portion of public hearing Of the public hearing for s. U. b.

1315
02:19:14,076 --> 02:19:21,076
six is closed. Is there any discussion amongst planning commission prior to entertaining

1316
02:19:21,077 --> 02:19:22,055
a motion?

1317
02:19:25,012 --> 02:19:29,079
Hey Derek, what does that mean? This commissioner and I was having a hard time hearing

1318
02:19:29,079 --> 02:19:35,004
that that what we see suggested finding the fact that suggested positions of approval.

1319
02:19:35,005 --> 02:19:38,004
What's that conclusion of law? What does that mean in there

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you're talking about in the staff report where it says, it suggests conclusions of

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law. That's the reference points. Usually I just want to make sure that I'm looking

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at the same thing. So I'm not speaking incorrectly. But it's the the specific

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or dancing. I'm looking I'm looking on page eight down at the bottom of page a where

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it says, you know, the recommendations. We see that I need the fact that the additional

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conditions. I don't even remember seeing the conclusion of law thrown in there. And

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even if there was a specific reason for that

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from page eight As far as page eight, Stage nine of You. Yeah, patient

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night. Yeah, sorry, 1978. Yeah,

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very well.

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I'm looking at

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So key is that we start recommendations. Finds a bet criteria by the Planet

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Commission.

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My man. It says this positive recommendation may be forwarded with the following

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suggested findings of fact, conclusions of law, suggested conditions of approval.

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That's okay. And what I'm doing is I'm looking for where those were the conclusions

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suggest the conclusions of law on page 14 And basically what that does is kind of

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say, Hey, we got this on the 24th and it was deemed complete on May 28, which means

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it's vested meaning that If the laws changed after May 28 there, they adhere to the

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laws prior to that um that the city has been done as required by law.

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Um that there was a hearing hell, which we're doing right now and then that we used

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FCC FCC 16.2 oh seven oh um as the review criteria in other words, that section of

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code guided how and why and we made the process that we used.

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So that should be stipulated as such in a recommendation. Using the terms conclusions

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of law. Right? Because these are our suggested conclusions of all the planning commission

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may see it differently and therefore want to go a different route again. We are only

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making a recommendation on our stuff. We don't nothing that we when we cite case

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law or whatever or codes that's still us and that's our interpretation. So everything

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we do is suggested. Thank you.

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Yeah. Yeah. If there's no more comments, I will entertain a motion

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mm Commissioner level. I'll make a motion passed on the border County Commissioner's

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recommendation for approval S. U. 2021 Days 06. What the six suggested funding the

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facts, conclusion of law and six conditions have approved

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of second step Commissioner lo moved and Commissioner Corrales seconded that we ordered

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forward the board of Commissioners to the Board of Commissioners recommendation of

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approval for s. b. 2021-6 with the I didn't get the numbers.

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66 adopted findings of fact and six conditions of approval.

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Is there any discussion? Thanks

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seen then we will proceed to a roll call vote. Commissioner Mike Vincent.

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Yeah. Commissioner late and love. Yes. Commissioner Mike Corrales.

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Yes. Commissioner can't make moment. Yes. Mr Chairman the motion is approved.

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Okay.

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Meeting adjourned

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chair. Fine. I don't see anything else. Yeah, there