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the other day, I wasn't paying attention and this thing hit me right between the

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Good morning, it's nine o'clock and it's thursday The 28th, we're here for our

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budget budget meeting, keith johnson, our administrator, clerk of the board. Commissioner,

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Bohlen and myself call the meeting to order and if you'd all rise and join me in

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the pledge of allegiance,

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I believe the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands motivation underneath indivisible with liberty and justice.

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All right, first on the agenda this morning as public works, Solid waste matt Mahoney

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and craig Erdmann. It's not sally Mackenzie. No it's not. Okay matt Mahoney, please

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check it out the solid waste situation in Hawaii right now. All right, well you guys

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go ahead present. Well, um certainly we can spend as much time as the board would

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like on the Solid waste budget. Uh A majority of all the revenue comes from grants

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directly from the Department of ecology. one of the other funding sources of course,

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is the, is the receipt of fees that are collected by base and disposal for the

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unincorporated area of franklin County. So there is a surcharge that's collected

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for these as well. So those are the major revenue sources and they all go towards

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uh completing those activities and projects that are defined in the solid waste um

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planned comprehensive plan which is under review and

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updating right now I believe. Uh Commissioner mullen is on the solid waste um

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committee and what they call slacks I believe that's the action committee and we

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do have a consultant that is pretty much completed some of the required updates or

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some required updates as far as a department of ecology goes and trying to bring

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it into our times. That's why if you look at the revenues there, you'll also see

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some payments from, from the other agencies which include Pasco con el messa and

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Kill Otis. A major component of this solid waste comprehensive plan is,

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is for these other agencies to pay their fair share of it Because there is a 20%

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match on the work that's done traditionally that 20% match has been made

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by the, by the county and usually that's done through those surcharges that are collected.

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Um So what part of the update is creating the inter local agreements with all of

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these other municipalities So that we can start building them their share of that

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20% match. So that's really majority of where it goes. I apologize, I didn't bring

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the, bring the the draft plan with me hoping that we're gonna be bringing that in

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front of the board as a whole. Um as soon as the committee gets to review the whole

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thing and and make their recommendation not only to the board of county commissioners,

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but the cities all have to review it and prove it as well. So, um, another major

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component, you know, both, both the, when we look at solid waste, we're also looking

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at the probation work crew and the probation work crew is, uh, has been, we feel

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has been very successful for especially doing some roadside cleanup and all that.

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It's been kind of slow track the last year and a half because of everything that's

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going on unfortunately, but we hope to get that back up and go on again. But that's

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also funded um, from that grant from the Department of ecology as well as being funded

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in part by the probation program itself. So, um, I can answer any questions,

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but this is one of those that, that, you know, we're required to have a solid waste

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plan were, um, required to do certain elements of recycling and promoting those

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things and um, you know, of course with the cleanup and all that, There's, so those

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were requirements on us. This is one of those things that the state does somewhat

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adequate job of funding. Uh huh. But they also do kind of turn around on us a lot

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and they'll cut funding. So it's kind of interesting how monies are collected from

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all the generators for specifically cleanup and all that and then they take the money

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for other things, but that's a guess an issue for another day that we can talk about,

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but it has been a successful program for us from a county road standpoint. We love

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the probation work crew part of it, which is litter cleanup. They've cleaned up a

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lot of illegal dumps in the county. They've um cleaned up a lot of trash on the roadway

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and it's just something that we hope we can get back in full force here as things

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started opening up more. So other than that, I'll answer any questions about the

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solid waste budget is question I have is the pond out there on foster wells part

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of this solid waste that lagoon that they're increasing the size of that is not your.

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Yeah, that's you're talking about the city of Pasko's their ways upon their, that's

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not part of it. Yeah. That would be controlled by the department of ecology. Yeah.

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Just one clarity on that. Yes. Okay. Other than that, I don't have any other questions.

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Commissioner moment.

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Mhm. Commissioner Mommy to interrupt. But I'm sure you're gonna be getting more information

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on this and you want. So if you do have any questions we can answer these and some

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of them will probably answered at our next slack meeting. So sally will be getting

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that out to everybody as soon as me and her kind of do our final cursory review of

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the of the plan itself. So um if you don't have any now, I'm sure you'll have someone

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you see you see that documents Now. What's the frequency of updating? That's always

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plans that done annually or every few years there's a required and don't quote me

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on this but I think it's every eight years. 8 to 10 years somewhere in there that

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were required to review it not necessarily updated, but we are required to do a review

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of it and do the necessary updates. And this is one of those cases where we actually,

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there was some new laws that were that we're past that we have to make sure that

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we're incorporating in our plan. So those themselves and you know, necessitated a

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full update. So and as well as making sure we had some inter local agreement so that

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the that the cities who are um you know, they can choose to do their own solid waste.

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The cities have just chosen for the county to take that on and manage the solid waste

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program on behalf of all the municipality. So it's just making sure we get the the

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documents in order that we can start Um charging them for their share of that 20%

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match. So those are two really two of the major components is some minor updates

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but adding the new elements as required by law and then the inter local agreements.

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Another question you mentioned the probation work through cleaning up illegal dumps.

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A couple years ago we worked with the Army corps installing that gate at the end

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of Columbia River road. Has that been effective? And are we seeing common locations

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of illegal dumping around the county there, You know, for us it can be as simple

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as just somebody throwing an old refrigerator off there and rolling it down the embankment

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of a county road sometimes they're a little bit more. I mean we're not going on private

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property looking for those things when people see those, those usually get turned

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over to the Department of ecology. So when I'm talking about illegal dump sites,

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we're usually looking on city property, county property or rights of ways, um, that

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we have access to. So I don't want to give the impression that we're going out and

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looking on private property, but certainly we've had some areas, um, Off

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the county roads, mainly on the east side of 395 where we do have some pretty

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remote roads and, and so pretty good, pretty good embankments for people to kind

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of toss stuff down and so there's been some huge work and keeping an eye on those

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areas and keeping them keeping them cleaned up. I've noticed a new spot and that's

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on stage more there or that tree rose out there, throwing a lot of garbage along

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in the borrow pit right there. It looks like a remodel job been put there and Tires

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and where is that at against stage more. This is on west of 395 on stage more, right

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past that little waist way. Okay,

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I've been going to get down there and clean it up myself, but I been a little short

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on time.

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So is there an order ordinance in franklin county that you're aware of? Not one that

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I'm aware of. No, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been out there and

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you know, yeah, I'm familiar with it. It's something we can look into from a county

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standpoint that's for sure. Um, Yeah, it's, well, I mean, not to see the need

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to necessity to make it, but we just would be nice if, if certain

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entities would self regulate themselves on that. There certainly are certainly our

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public nuisance

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ordinances that all municipality have and also health and safety ordinances.

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So yeah, I'm a little surprised, you know, I won't go into detail here, but I think

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we all know what we're referring to. I'm a little surprised that the, some of the

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regulatory agencies are being more active in, in that specifically the Washington

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state Department of ecology. That's what I've heard is they want to enforce it because

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there's no ordinance, so they're not out of compliance because there is no ordinance.

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We'll take a look at that already and maybe you could advise us on putting one in

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place. One other thing I'd like to mention is, I'm seeing an increased amount of

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beer bottles in the fields and what's very troubling there is that a farmer is raising

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potatoes and he digs and one potato is found with a piece of glass. They call the

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whole field. Yeah, they can't and this could be very detrimental to anybody that's

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raising food, such as vegetables, potatoes or carrots because people are just throwing

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these beer bottles that I'd like to see an increase on fines for any glass being

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thrown from a vehicle.

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But other than that, do you have any other questions? No, no other questions. All

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right, well, thank you very much. But I don't think you guys are moving. No. Well,

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we got public works next. When I see Craig, Craig's name should be there. There's

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not.

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Craig's. Craig is a definitely vital in the next conversation for

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sure. And, and he's here to answer any of the boards questions, but with the board's

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indulgence, um, I do have a some points written here and if it pleases the board,

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I'd like to just kind of read down through it, Go ahead. Um, Well, the main thing

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is we want to look at as we look at the proposed revenue for the county road fund.

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We need to point out That one million, $341,742 represents federal funds

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which are committed to specific projects And we also have charges for goods and services

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in the total of that equals 285,000 $50. Both of these represent revenues exists

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only upon the expenditure of funds, meaning if we don't spend the money, we don't

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get the revenue. So when people look at our, our budget and they see a high number,

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the assumption is that there's a lot of money there and we just need to point out

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that a lot of these revenues don't exist if we do not do projects or we don't do

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provide services for other entities or, or departments within within our own county.

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So we also need to understand that the proposed beginning fund balance, which we

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show, I'm not sure that it shows necessarily in the budget documents that you have,

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but we just always want to point out that that's our best estimate at this time and

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could be more or less than what we are currently showing. So we actually that number

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for us will actually change all the way up until until december when the board approves

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it, where we have a much better idea where we're going to be at. If we were to subtract

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the numbers I have just mentioned, we are left with eight million $37,420. The

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primary contributors to this number of the county roads property tax levy proposed

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at 3.7 million, which does not include a levee shift and includes a 1% increase And

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revenues received through the State Motor Vehicle Fund which includes $520,866 in

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cap, which stands for the county arterial preservation program.

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$136,126 in multi modal transportation

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And 2,943,303 in motor vehicle fuel tax for a total of

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3.6 million or three million or $3,600,295 when adding these

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revenues together we have a total Of 7,300,295 which represents

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91% of our operational revenues as such. Any loss in these revenues has a huge impact

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on the operations of the county road fund and more specifically the road maintenance

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and preservation activities. Since 2018, we have seen a major drop in revenues from

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the Motor State Motor Vehicle Fund, which includes cap, multi modal and the motor

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vehicle fuel tax. It's important to note, we receive our budget estimates directly

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from the state. They provide us these annual estimates that we use as our budget

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numbers In 2018 are budgeted versus actual revenues were

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$3,660,850 and

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$3,699,795 $94 respectively for a difference

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of 38,944 or a 1.06% gain. So we actually received

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More than what we budgeted in 2018, 2019. Budgeted vs actual revenues.

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Our budgeted was $3,719,000.863, let me say that again, three million

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$719,863.

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$3,605,158 respectively. For a difference of a

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negative 114,705 Or a 3.0 8% loss.

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2020 budgeted versus actual revenues. We're approximately 3.9 and

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3.3 respectively. The actual difference was a negative

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$633,546 or a 16.22% loss

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From 2018 to 2020. We have seen a total loss of revenues equal to $709,307

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and a decrease And a decrease of 11.5, We do not have the total revenues for

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2021, but we do anticipate a similar loss to that of 2020. So approximately a

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$600,000 loss in revenues based on these losses in revenue and no signs of improvement

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in the future. We must do our best to preserve the last major source of revenue for

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the maintenance and preservation of the county road system, which is the county road

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levy. Although I know how unpopular this next statement is, I have to say it and

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I'm going to ask the board to consider a 1% increase to the levy as well as any available

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bank capacity. Even with these increases, we still would not be keeping pace with

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current and or future inflation and we all, I think have a pretty good idea of where

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inflation is going. We're being told that we could see fuel prices up as high as

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$6 a gallon in many areas and this will affect every aspect of what we do. Um

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um so Even even with these increases, I'll pass that um it is

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important to note that it would only be generating additional revenue. So if we did

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all that, the 1% in any, in any of the bank capacity, That increase is only

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going to equal approximately $100 For each mile of County Road. So that's all it's

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going to generate an additional $100 for each mile. We have 970 just

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just shy of 1000 miles of county road and so you can see for us

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the The 1% for us doesn't even keep hasn't even kept up with

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inflation and it's the one area that this county has control of for as far as revenue

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for the county road funds. So matt, before you move away from that, you never mentioned

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the road shift money in that. Are you figuring no road shift money for this every

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year? We come in here we always, we always present a budget that does not include

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a road shift and includes a 1%. So you're saying we're still going to come up short

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if we shift no money, we're still going to come up short just in the motor vehicle

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fuel tax. We've lost over 700,000 in the last three years just in drops of revenues

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in the motor vehicle fuel tax. And with that unpopular statement, I just like to

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add as much as that's going to affect the county road fund. It's affecting every

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landowner out there too because their products have got to get to market and that

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fuel cost increases hitting them too. Yeah. We, and we absolutely understand and

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our and our crops are not gaining in value with inflation. We're losing ground most

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with a lot of them. Yeah. No. Uh, when I, when I say unpopular, I don't just mean

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for the people of franklin County or these board members. I don't like saying it

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either. That's, I'm, I stand with the people in franklin County and this board as

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it comes to raising in any taxes or levies, but, but I also have a responsibility

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to come in and tell the truth to the board and motor vehicle fuel tax is dropping.

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We don't see that it's, we do not believe that it's ever going to come back to what

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it was and the reasons for that aren't just due to inflation or, or the covid where

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people haven't been driving, but we see that we see more and more people that aren't

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going to be driving, but also the introduction of the electric vehicles and the hybrids

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in our state has not done a thing to figure out how to how to get the

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money through the motor vehicle fund, which I consider as a user fee for the road

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system and getting everybody to pay their fair share. I don't know when that will

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happen because they've been talking about it for you know, keith can probably but

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at least for the last 10 years heavily on how they're going to, How they're going

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to deal with the increase in hybrids. And then of course in our state when we got

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a governor who is telling us that by 2030 there will be no no gas vehicles in the

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state of Washington, I was going to add to that. I was going to say it's not just

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the introduction, it's the mandate that he's putting down that we're going to eliminate

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fossil fuel which eliminates the ability to maintain our roadways, correct? Yes.

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Is there any distinction in terms of where and tear on our infrastructure road system

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between an electric vehicle and gas powered vehicle? It has a beautiful bars.

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Probably.

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Yeah. Electrical heart disease. We're on the road. Protracted issue major on faith.

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Okay, there's a man wear and tear on well, so if electric cars come in yet

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the same, there's other things that you can Yeah.

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Mhm.

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Thank you were here.

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Uh huh.

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Yeah,

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I followed the situation will have a pilot program with the Uh

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huh where they're going with fees for electric vehicles is

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how the state constitution is right now. The state gas tax is constitutionally mandated

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to go towards county Robbins or you know, road preservation in general. And I

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haven't seen where they put anything in place to where when they replace and a natural

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hair conditions in your vehicles with electorate that they are going to protect the

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revenue stream in the same way. And to me that is a vital issue that money has to

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be protected. We cannot and it is not criticism of the legislature, but we all know

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that political whims come and go and we need money that cannot be just grabbed willingly

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and taken out any year that we don't get the money we need to preserve and improve

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the road system. We never get back, we fall further behind and it compounds now

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through the life of the system. That's one of the by delicious that in the next 5-10

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years that it has to be mm has to have a solution.

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And I would like to add to that that once you start seeing the ramifications of electric

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cars over charging batteries and wrecks on the road with that acid, you're going

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to see more destruction to our roadways. Yeah. You know, there's a potential that

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these vehicles will run heavier, you know, obvious suspect especially trucking with

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battery systems and stuff that they and we're already seeing increases so they'll

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have to add more axles and so on. You know, there's, it's just not a

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simple, are we getting money to do county roads for state roads or whatever. This

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fans out into a giant web impacts up and down the stream,

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you know, I I hope Uh huh Legal revenue people are looking at those

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thank you. Federal estate level is we depend on that.

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And you know, it is good to know that there is a crossover between the direction

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the our governor is trying to take us in solid waste because we are now looking down

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the stream and seeing all these electric vehicles and the batteries and understanding

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that that's going to be a new major waste stream and one that's probably going to

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be worse than, than what we see now. So, those are concerns that we have, even on

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the solid waste side of things. Um, so we see some huge cross over there. Um, if

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it pleases the board, I'd like to, those were my main points of revenue. I'd like

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to quickly point out some specific activities on the expenditure side. Um, when we

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kind of look at these things, when we look at Chip seal, let's say, which is set

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at, sorry guys, I'll let you catch up

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uh huh. When we look at chip seal at 1.35 mil included in that, it's not just

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chip seal, but it's also the seal coat clean up. It's also our skip patching and

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fog seals. Um, mm, those activities is, you know, as well as

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our crack seal that we do. That's part, those are major components of our preservation

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activities. Just looking at the chip seal and those activities that are directly

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underneath it. The seal coat clean up, skip patching fogs, hill, we have 1.47 million

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and that's a vital vital area there. And I'm, you know, I've been honest with the

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board or I'm always honest with the board, but I've been frank with the board. So

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I'll just say that we are way behind in our preservation activities and it's been

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going on for a while. Um, the county used to be on a seven year

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cycle for chip seal on our, all of our paved roads. Um

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now, uh huh, You can imagine for us to do, to stay on that schedule, we have to be

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doing about 70 miles a year approximately and that's plus or minus what you're seeing

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here is nowhere near that. And so We actually fell back to about a 10 year cycle,

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um, probably In the early 2000s, mid to early 2000s and now

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we're beyond that. So, and you know, like they say, and you've probably

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heard it, if you've been to any of the meetings for every penny, not spent today

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will be dollars big dollars in the future. And so we take our preservation activities

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is as painful as they are to the public sometimes when we're out there doing our

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chip seal and our crack seal, they are vital and they are worldwide still considered

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to be the best and primary way to preserve paved roads and that's through what they

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call it vitamin A surface treatment, good crack seal. When he cracks come up, sealing

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those of water, moisture cannot get down into the road. And so I just wanted to point

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that out that, You know, we right now we're showing up just shy of 1.5 million for

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that whole area. We're falling farther and farther behind. We would like that to

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be probably about trump triple or quadruple that number. But we also now just kind

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of focusing on the worst of the worst and having to make those types of decisions

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on whether or not we can get through another year on a, on this road or that road

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and get these roads. So we are making those decisions and doing the best we can.

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Um the other one of the other major areas I want to look at is under our blading

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operations, which also includes based stabilization, gravel spot patching, gravel

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replacement, gravel, road safety improvements and that represents um

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1,875,000 dollars in there. If you add all of those up.

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Now, I'm gonna tell you The # one service requests that we get into our office is

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gravel roads and this is an area here that if we have a bad winter, like they're

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predicting it's not just snow and ice removal that will bank, that could put us in

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financial jeopardy. It's getting our gravel roads back in order after the snow is

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gone. So this is an area here that can absolutely um, blow our blow our budget, which

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puts us in a position where we're having to look at what don't we do. And so I just

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feel it's important to point these specific areas Out, you know? And right now we

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just have 385,000 for kind of our snow and ice control. If you guys,

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mm hmm. And if I move too fast, you guys just let me know. I know, tim's pretty darn

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good over there getting down. But I'm looking at all those activities which is sanding,

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snowplowing, anti icing, de icing And spring cleanup. And that's where we go out

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and we'll sweep the roads and stuff that have any sort of residual sand on them and

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stuff like that. That's 385,000 with a bad winter that could go up

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5 : 500,000, 750,000. Even as high as $1 million. And so

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I'm just kind of pointing out these things what the preservation is important. We

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need to do the preservation, but we do have these other budget items, the we don't

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have a choice. We cannot let our gravel roads fall apart. Those gravel roads are

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still the life link for a majority of our of our farming community out there. And

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when they call us we jump, I mean, we don't hopefully any of the commissioners can

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vouch when they give me a call or they talk to craig about a gravel road. We're out

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there immediately looking at it and trying to get it back up in order for for the

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particular farmer haulers that are out there. So, and if I might add to that, your

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price of gravel, what line item is that? Because it's going up? Yeah, it's typically,

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Yeah. And that's another thing, it's right now, it's all of our all of our costs

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that you see here on activities, includes labor, materials, and equipment and so

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you can see major increases as uh and I appreciate you saying that. Mr. Chairman,

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is that materials costs going up, can raise that as well as equipment cost could

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go up. Um Usually not this year, but they, you know, because we lock in our rental

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rates, but certainly any increases this year. We do make those adjustments for the

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following year. If we have any gains or losses in in in revenue as it pertains strictly

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to the um the rental rates and the collection of those rental rates. So it does,

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it has an effect on every aspect. And so when we see increases, its it's all three

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of those areas, it's labor, its materials and its equipment, um kind of the last

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area that I'd like to .2 is our capital expenditures, which are the 595.

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Um, the total the total for capital expenditures and expenses expenditures. Um which

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is, I'm looking specifically at the 595, we have

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$1,597,200. I do want to point out That revenue in

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federal funds to offset these costs is is

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1,000,000, That's a difference of

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$255,466, which represents the county's match or portion of the cost for building

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these projects. If we see the inflation that we all are predicting or that we're

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seeing now and it continues to, to get worse. You know, we could see

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25-50% increases in construction costs alone. And, And so that that that could be

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an increase to that number of 65,000 up to 128,000. And it could even be higher.

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I hope not. But You know, I think conservative 25-50% increase. Well that

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that needs to be incurred by us, we always go back to the funding agencies and see

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if we can get more money, but that's not always, you know, going to happen. And so

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once we get the funding, we're kind of on the clock when it comes to federal funding,

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there's timelines and deadlines that we have to meet in one of them is construction

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and if we get to a point where we don't fund construction, then we end up paying

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money back and that's what we don't want to do. So when we commit, when we put money

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in, we put in our applications and we get the funding and then we start obligating

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these funds were we kind of need to keep going or else like I said, we get positions

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pay back. So I'm just letting the board know that if we see those increases, especially

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in which I believe we are going to, I mean, I'm just looking around around me and

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everything I do is costing me more and I know it's costing everybody in here more.

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Um, we're gonna, we move forward with these projects that's going to impact the

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budget, which means we're going to have to cut back in some of some other areas and

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we hope we hope that those and they can't be in our blading operations as we went

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through because that we we are out there and we're trying to be proactive but

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a lot of times were being reactive and, and so we gravel roads are just something

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we can't, we can't put off, so as all of this kind of plays in together. One thing

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I I would say is we don't spend money, we don't have in the county road funds. So

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we're relying on the revenues that we get and we, so there may be a time as we move

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forward, we may be coming back to the board and going, what what don't you want us

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to do? Like we like we did previously where we had a year where we didn't do any

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of our um, you know, soil stabilization, which is the putting down the magnesium

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chloride and stuff. And so there's elements like that. Another one is vegetation

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control. You know, that's that's a huge 12. And and we're just at a point now

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where it's, what do we do? Do we do the minimum meaning just make sure our roads

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are safe from a sight distance standpoint and maintain and deal with just noxious

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weeds. I'd like to say that might work, but it doesn't work for us because it just

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creates even more maintenance problems when we have weeds growing in that area that

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we call kind of that 6 to 10 ft from the shoulder of our road where we go out and

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and we do shoulder work and all that having weeds in that area. I think the board

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members commissioners kid could all point to going out there and seeing piles of

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weeds in our ditches where we've gone out there and done some of that work and it's

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unsightly and it's ugly and it doesn't do anything and that's why we try to keep

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those. So that's an area there that if we cut that out has an impact on our other

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operations and raises the cost and, and certainly the aesthetics of the work that

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we're doing and so those are the major components I wanted to talk about in the,

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in the county road fund. Um, I appreciate your indulgence. I know I can be long winded.

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Um, but we just love to answer any further questions that any of the board members

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have

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questions.

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I don't have any questions. It's just, it's,

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it's discouraging to see that the lack of funds for our roads and then to see the

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money that is spent on the Ben franklin Transit. Um, it doesn't matter how good your

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busses look if there's not roads to put them on and after sitting in their meeting

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yesterday one to spend another $300 just to put vinyl graphics on their busses, it

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seems kind of

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discussing when you see that the amount of money that we're missing for our roads

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and yet they spend money like, like it's no big deal. One question

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I have matt is on your 595 funds. How many of those are matching funds or if we don't

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have the money in the account, we don't get to do the project.

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I think when I'm looking at the revenue the, the safety money that we

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get, which I believe is the recipe Typically that's 100%. Yeah, yeah.

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We have a specific window to get the project constructed right, okay.

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They'll be 100%. Yeah. You know, cost overruns strength.

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Okay. We exceed that then. I think it's typically the county has,

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I think there's Mhm. But isn't there some, I've heard in the past meetings where

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we got to have funds available to match in order to get the product. Yeah. So of

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those, if I'm right there looking at the, if you want to go, can we go back to the

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revenue side? And I'm looking specifically specifically at the what's our 333 to

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0 to 30, which is in there. It shows it as federal hazard elimination program. That

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program is kind of changed and it's now zip. Um but we have

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564521. So Of the $1.3 million

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100%.

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There is no match good. But the other 800,000 dollars

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requires In most cases with federal dollars like a 13.3 3% match.

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And so this kind of, when you look at this, this is kind of a down year from a construction

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standpoint for us because federal funding and state funding or calls for projects

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or on a biennial basis. And so this is kind of that off here and then there submitting

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we'll get we're getting calls for projects and so you'll kind of see this where one

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year, maybe a high year like this year is a much higher year for construction than

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2020. Um that we're showing here but I said approximately

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$800,000 requires that match. And and if we were showing rap funding in here which

418
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is through through state funding, that's funding that's actually comes from the uh

419
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:45,009
from that state motor vehicle fund that I was talking about. Some rural rural arterial

420
00:49:45,009 --> 00:49:49,097
preservation program that's managed by the county road administration board. That's

421
00:49:49,097 --> 00:49:57,042
a 20% match. That's an 80 20. So what we try to do on our projects is we try to leverage

422
00:49:57,043 --> 00:50:03,035
wrap funds against the federal dollars that we get and kind of combine in Pasco call

423
00:50:03,035 --> 00:50:07,068
Otis. The project that's going on now is a fine example of that where we're leveraging

424
00:50:08,026 --> 00:50:15,038
the rap funds as as part of the county's match for the federal funds to some degree.

425
00:50:15,038 --> 00:50:21,007
Now there is still some county costs incurred but that's because of the overall cost

426
00:50:21,007 --> 00:50:27,013
of the project um compared to the funding that was available and given to the county.

427
00:50:27,014 --> 00:50:27,069
So.

428
00:50:30,046 --> 00:50:36,002
Okay. Yeah. My my budget sheet showing that We're not anticipating any funds from

429
00:50:36,002 --> 00:50:42,027
the in the rap program in 2022. That's correct. Okay. If we if we see any fun it

430
00:50:42,027 --> 00:50:46,042
would be, it would be in the next year that I think they're just having a call for

431
00:50:46,042 --> 00:50:52,078
projects. Yeah, wow. Yeah, finalized.

432
00:50:55,026 --> 00:51:03,019
Right. Again, it's my talk of this revenue. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm

433
00:51:04,026 --> 00:51:06,008
goes out first. Yeah.

434
00:51:09,046 --> 00:51:17,035
A struggle. So, but we're just, we're in a 20. Unfortunately, I think 23 or 22 is

435
00:51:17,035 --> 00:51:22,001
going to be a, a bit of a law and construction, but this is kind of natural cycle

436
00:51:22,011 --> 00:51:28,031
that lets us kind of Gear up for 23, which we're anticipating to be pretty active

437
00:51:28,031 --> 00:51:35,019
here construction wise and 24 as well because we have several bridges that we're

438
00:51:35,019 --> 00:51:41,057
looking to to reconstruct over that and a couple of road projects plus some other

439
00:51:41,057 --> 00:51:47,007
stuff that funds are outstanding for. If we get will be percent those very hard to,

440
00:51:47,046 --> 00:51:52,057
we just don't know how those Turn out. So it could be a very busy 23 and 24

441
00:51:55,006 --> 00:51:59,008
I think you mentioned earlier that we have about 1000 miles of County Road roughly.

442
00:51:59,081 --> 00:52:04,067
It's a little less than that. But can you counting all the subdivisions, the stuff

443
00:52:04,068 --> 00:52:09,068
we take in, it kind of fluctuates, can you tell me what percentage is paid versus

444
00:52:09,069 --> 00:52:17,051
which is 50% 40%. Mm This may be a question for tom or Tim as

445
00:52:17,052 --> 00:52:24,074
well, aren't we required to do an assessment of our infrastructure for our financial

446
00:52:24,074 --> 00:52:25,027
statements.

447
00:52:27,065 --> 00:52:34,008
Mhm. There is a note where we have to report um we're still using a model that we

448
00:52:34,008 --> 00:52:41,038
received from the public works that Since the uh, what Tim, since we have a dry desert

449
00:52:41,038 --> 00:52:45,018
environment, they put it like on a 40-year plan or something. But you're right. There

450
00:52:45,018 --> 00:52:49,081
is some sort of standards that we have to report on. You. Do you know if that's showing

451
00:52:49,081 --> 00:52:54,095
that the condition of our infrastructure is depreciating more rapidly than we're

452
00:52:54,095 --> 00:53:01,071
replacing it or it most definitely is okay Because it's what, $6 or $7 million dollars

453
00:53:01,071 --> 00:53:06,012
here. And I think in depreciation, but we're only adding probably not even half that

454
00:53:06,013 --> 00:53:11,013
a lot of years. So we're also wondering too, if the relief funds could be used for

455
00:53:11,013 --> 00:53:16,069
any infrastructure or on the new infrastructure Bill that they're trying to put into

456
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:21,049
Congress right now, 3.5 trillion or whatever is going to be. Uh, would that go to

457
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:27,078
any of our road projects? Certainly the infrastructure bill, if it gets approved,

458
00:53:28,065 --> 00:53:33,068
we had hoped clear back in May or june that they would be making more, but that's

459
00:53:33,068 --> 00:53:39,024
kind of making more progress. But that's really tight. I don't want us national politics

460
00:53:39,024 --> 00:53:43,092
right now, so I don't know how soon that's going to get done or what it's gonna look

461
00:53:43,092 --> 00:53:48,077
like when it gets them. But infrastructure obviously is a big piece of that. Ah,

462
00:53:49,035 --> 00:53:53,009
I would expect that we would be able to see some of that in the state of Washington,

463
00:53:53,009 --> 00:53:58,018
how how far that flows down to local governments. I don't know yet. Obviously there's

464
00:53:58,055 --> 00:54:02,052
a lot still to be excited. But your question about the recovery act is a good one

465
00:54:02,053 --> 00:54:07,014
as well. There are some opportunities to use some of our Recovery act funds for infrastructure

466
00:54:07,014 --> 00:54:15,002
projects. one thing I'd like to maybe add on the funding side of it so

467
00:54:15,002 --> 00:54:19,075
that our commissioners are aware and they can have these conversations with the state

468
00:54:19,075 --> 00:54:25,037
reps is you know, when federal dollars, when federal dollars, transportation dollars

469
00:54:25,037 --> 00:54:29,007
come to our state, they're funneled through the state of Washington. The D. O. T.

470
00:54:29,071 --> 00:54:34,007
They have a local programs branch, they kind of provide oversight of all the local

471
00:54:34,007 --> 00:54:40,094
agencies and what's interesting is the state doesn't use any of that federal money.

472
00:54:40,094 --> 00:54:48,001
They offset what they provide to the locals in motor vehicle fuel tax and other resources.

473
00:54:48,074 --> 00:54:55,036
They all set that and they give the counties and the cities and other jurisdictions,

474
00:54:56,004 --> 00:55:01,007
um those federal dollars so they don't have to deal with the federal requirements

475
00:55:01,003 --> 00:55:08,006
and we do. And I'm just saying that's pennies on the dollar when we do, when we use

476
00:55:08,006 --> 00:55:16,004
federal dollars to do a project, it costs us more than if we did a project

477
00:55:16,004 --> 00:55:22,086
using local or state dollars. And there's been a push for a long time through

478
00:55:23,044 --> 00:55:27,093
Wasatch. The Washington State Association of County Engineers and others to get the

479
00:55:27,093 --> 00:55:34,001
state to use the federal dollars, let them deal with the federal requirements and

480
00:55:34,001 --> 00:55:41,098
guidelines and then give us more of the gas tax revenue. I say it because it

481
00:55:41,098 --> 00:55:48,067
really does cost us more to do a project. Every agency in the state of Washington

482
00:55:49,044 --> 00:55:57,041
has their hands in that pot. When we do a project you have D. H. P. Which is

483
00:55:57,041 --> 00:56:02,032
the Department of Archaeological and Historical Preservation. Every state agency

484
00:56:02,032 --> 00:56:08,046
wants a piece of that money. And it's something that I'm passionate about because

485
00:56:08,046 --> 00:56:16,041
it's upsetting to me that this money is designed in to basically you know build

486
00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:21,097
infrastructure and rebuild infrastructure. Yet a lot of it goes out to these other

487
00:56:21,098 --> 00:56:28,096
agencies who have been given regulatory authority. So when example D. H. P.

488
00:56:29,073 --> 00:56:36,017
We have to consult with them and I guarantee you it does not matter what the project

489
00:56:36,017 --> 00:56:42,012
where it's at. They will send a nice little letter back saying we look forward to

490
00:56:42,012 --> 00:56:50,009
seeing your cultural resource study. It doesn't matter. And so right

491
00:56:50,009 --> 00:56:57,074
there alone we end up paying what are those running $30 $30,000 or whatever.

492
00:56:58,083 --> 00:57:05,015
Right 75. I imagine you're facing the same thing with the fish.

493
00:57:06,053 --> 00:57:14,041
Yeah. Yeah I can share stories of my uh my dealings with state and federal fish and

494
00:57:14,042 --> 00:57:21,042
wildlife biologists. I've had some interesting meetings with with all of them from

495
00:57:21,042 --> 00:57:29,015
the from us transplanting sage brush on a project to us having to go out and

496
00:57:29,015 --> 00:57:37,006
shock a waste way because they thought fish were in it. So yeah I've got some interesting

497
00:57:37,006 --> 00:57:44,017
stories but the main thing is is those costs those costs money and it depletes the

498
00:57:44,017 --> 00:57:51,006
amount of federal funds that we get to actually build the roads. And my point is

499
00:57:51,006 --> 00:57:56,077
this is I think it would be advantageous for us to really continue that push to get

500
00:57:56,077 --> 00:58:02,034
the state to use these federal dollars and whatever they get from the feds, they

501
00:58:02,034 --> 00:58:08,017
shift an equal amount in motor vehicle fuel tax to the local agencies so we can build

502
00:58:08,017 --> 00:58:15,087
the roads to our standards to what are people want will still follow state

503
00:58:15,087 --> 00:58:22,033
law and local laws as it pertains to sePA and all of that. But at least it gives

504
00:58:22,033 --> 00:58:26,001
us an opportunity to get these other hands out of there, which raised the cost of

505
00:58:26,001 --> 00:58:34,001
the project. So that's my I hope I'm not being too political. But it's just what

506
00:58:34,001 --> 00:58:38,067
I've seen through my career here at the county. It's frustrating and it's getting

507
00:58:38,067 --> 00:58:45,005
worse. The the amount of pressure that's put on our staff, from accounting all the

508
00:58:45,005 --> 00:58:50,073
way down to project management, down to even us with inspectors. I mean, you've had

509
00:58:50,073 --> 00:58:55,026
conversations about that with us having inspectors out on jobs. Those are requirements

510
00:58:55,026 --> 00:59:01,009
from the federal government. We have to do even little things like asking every every

511
00:59:01,009 --> 00:59:06,029
contractor shows up, asking employees what they what they get paid to. You know,

512
00:59:06,003 --> 00:59:13,008
were they turn us into the policing agency for F. H. W. A. And the state to make

513
00:59:13,008 --> 00:59:19,024
sure that contractors are paying their people prevailing wage. And so it's frustrating.

514
00:59:19,025 --> 00:59:27,025
It's getting worse and and I'll tell you what we're having. Uh we got

515
00:59:27,026 --> 00:59:31,035
just like a lot of people, we've got a lot a lot of individuals, including myself

516
00:59:31,035 --> 00:59:36,077
have been with franklin County a long time. It's a lot of a lot of information and

517
00:59:36,077 --> 00:59:44,055
history that we carry with us and the way things change on an annual

518
00:59:44,055 --> 00:59:51,007
basis with the laws and guidelines as it pertains to federal funds. I don't know

519
00:59:51,007 --> 00:59:57,003
that anybody could even catch up and know everything. And luckily we got people in

520
00:59:57,003 --> 01:00:03,019
our office that do and they stay up on everything and all that. I'll tell you what

521
01:00:03,002 --> 01:00:10,088
it's, it's a ugly nest to try to weed through to figure out if you're meeting

522
01:00:10,088 --> 01:00:15,041
all the federal requirements. And so even internally it costs us more money, not

523
01:00:15,041 --> 01:00:21,074
just these other hands reaching out trying to get as much out of these federal projects

524
01:00:21,074 --> 01:00:29,065
as they can. It's also a lot of extra cost to the US and our cost

525
01:00:29,065 --> 01:00:36,062
and resources, which is manpower time and all that. It's frustrating to me and it

526
01:00:36,062 --> 01:00:42,041
gets more frustrating and I apologize for for putting up my frustrations on full

527
01:00:42,041 --> 01:00:48,009
display here in a public meeting. But it's something that I think it's important

528
01:00:48,009 --> 01:00:53,002
for the board members to know and they can, you know, if they feel prompted, they

529
01:00:53,002 --> 01:00:59,038
can talk to our state legislatures to try to try to keep that moving in that direction

530
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:03,072
because there's a reason the state doesn't want to use federal dollars. They don't

531
01:01:03,072 --> 01:01:07,095
want to follow their guidelines. They want to be able to do things the way they want

532
01:01:07,095 --> 01:01:15,092
to do them. So that's all I have on that. Sorry. Well, I appreciate

533
01:01:15,092 --> 01:01:19,002
your honesty. So thank you.

534
01:01:21,091 --> 01:01:29,087
Is there any other questions for the public works? County roads, if not, we'll

535
01:01:29,087 --> 01:01:33,008
move down to public works motor vehicle miscellaneous funds.

536
01:01:39,001 --> 01:01:44,062
All right, Just quickly. The motor vehicle fund is an internal services fund. It's

537
01:01:44,062 --> 01:01:52,042
a fun that's required by statute. Um, so what it does is it provides services

538
01:01:52,042 --> 01:02:00,023
not designed necessarily to to profit or lose. It's designed to break even although

539
01:02:00,023 --> 01:02:06,085
there is a, in the rental rate structure, there is a replacement portion of it. And

540
01:02:06,085 --> 01:02:14,072
we talked about that before that. Um, the, you know, a pretty good portion of

541
01:02:14,072 --> 01:02:20,006
what we charge in rental rates is for the future replacement of the equipment with

542
01:02:20,006 --> 01:02:28,002
some inflationary numbers and and all that. So that said, it's also a fund that

543
01:02:28,021 --> 01:02:36,012
was designed to support county roads in the, in in respect to being able to purchase

544
01:02:36,013 --> 01:02:43,023
and hold um certain items in inventory until the county road fund needs. It. County

545
01:02:43,023 --> 01:02:50,075
Road Fund is designed to charge everything out to a specific activity and, and where

546
01:02:50,075 --> 01:02:56,043
that those resources are used at. And that's down to the road level. The asset level

547
01:02:56,043 --> 01:03:02,096
is what we call it. And so what you see there is when you see uh, going down where

548
01:03:02,096 --> 01:03:08,074
we have cells of road materials like rock and gravel cells of sand. Those are the

549
01:03:08,074 --> 01:03:16,001
types of items that motor vehicle can purchase based on the needs of the county road

550
01:03:16,001 --> 01:03:19,099
fund. And then the county road fund gets built when they use it and it actually gets

551
01:03:19,099 --> 01:03:27,055
put out on on an asset or a road. So um it's a pretty unique fun.

552
01:03:27,055 --> 01:03:34,032
But you know, it it's very good from that standpoint. It

553
01:03:34,009 --> 01:03:41,054
it makes the accounting for the County Road fund easier to manage and it gives us

554
01:03:41,055 --> 01:03:47,043
a better controls over those products from, from an inventory management standpoint.

555
01:03:48,001 --> 01:03:56,000
So other than that, you know, we are shop the the shop of course maintains

556
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,075
the fleet of vehicles that are owned by the fund. It also assist in the maintenance

557
01:04:01,075 --> 01:04:07,006
of of other vehicles that are owned by other funds like the county Sheriff's Fund.

558
01:04:07,006 --> 01:04:15,000
We also um work with some some other funds that are out there. We've done some repair

559
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:21,041
work for say like the wheat board and the past board and stuff like that. So um we

560
01:04:21,041 --> 01:04:27,067
do have the ability to provide those services with with the building capacity to

561
01:04:27,072 --> 01:04:32,086
receive those. And so that's what you kind of see and they're the main, the main

562
01:04:32,086 --> 01:04:40,001
numbers that you see are the is the rent and lease is revenue, which is short term

563
01:04:40,001 --> 01:04:45,063
and long term And we have approximately 1.7 million or one million

564
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:52,071
664,000 for short term. And what short term means in this respect is that's when

565
01:04:52,072 --> 01:04:58,097
that is really pertains to, how we, how we build and those are typically short term

566
01:04:58,098 --> 01:05:04,047
is typically when we're building based on an hourly rate and we're and we're building

567
01:05:04,047 --> 01:05:10,003
based on every hour that vehicle or piece of equipment is used and the County Road

568
01:05:10,003 --> 01:05:15,006
Fund tracks that time. So when our guys go out and they're driving a truck and it's

569
01:05:15,006 --> 01:05:21,006
got sand on it and they're out, not only are they tracking that they were placing

570
01:05:21,006 --> 01:05:26,074
sand on specific roads, but they're also putting how much sand and what equipment

571
01:05:26,074 --> 01:05:31,079
they use. So we're actually charging these out to all the way down to the asset level.

572
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:39,034
So it's not just our county road department charging these things out to the sanding

573
01:05:39,034 --> 01:05:47,003
activity, it actually goes down. So we know what roads they went on. So, so the

574
01:05:47,003 --> 01:05:54,003
short term pertains to mainly the county Road Fund who tracks their usage of equipment

575
01:05:54,004 --> 01:06:02,002
and vehicles on an hourly basis. The long term refers to those, those that use the

576
01:06:02,021 --> 01:06:07,026
fleet vehicles and the R. And R. Fund and we build out either on a monthly or annual

577
01:06:07,026 --> 01:06:12,011
basis. So that's really the differential between short term and long term, it's hourly

578
01:06:12,011 --> 01:06:17,007
versus monthly or annual buildings

579
01:06:19,028 --> 01:06:26,072
and and if you want to, I haven't done it for here. But what I do to kind of help

580
01:06:26,072 --> 01:06:33,012
me understand and make sure that our shop is operating at a good level as I look

581
01:06:33,012 --> 01:06:38,054
at those numbers specifically, and then on the expenditure side I look at the operational

582
01:06:38,054 --> 01:06:46,001
costs Which are mainly broke down in the 54860s. And so you can kind of add

583
01:06:46,078 --> 01:06:53,061
some of those numbers up and do a direct comparison. And we're in a good, good spot

584
01:06:53,061 --> 01:06:57,006
right now, we're looking good. We're not, we're not,

585
01:06:59,038 --> 01:07:03,087
it doesn't, it's certainly we're not in a position where the shop is costing us more

586
01:07:03,087 --> 01:07:10,033
to maintain vehicles than what we're getting back in revenue. So we're in a pretty

587
01:07:10,033 --> 01:07:18,021
good spot there. Um Other than other than that, Okay,

588
01:07:18,058 --> 01:07:22,062
Probably the only other things that we should highlight for the, for the board is,

589
01:07:23,018 --> 01:07:28,002
you know, when we look at our beginning fund balance are non non spendable fund balance.

590
01:07:28,002 --> 01:07:34,059
Beginning that refers directly to our inventory on hand at the beginning of the year,

591
01:07:35,018 --> 01:07:41,079
where are assigned fund balance beginning refers Derik directly to cash on hand.

592
01:07:42,028 --> 01:07:46,055
So, and then you'll see the same thing on the expenditure side is just the reverse

593
01:07:46,055 --> 01:07:52,032
of what we believe will be our ending non spendable fund balance, which is ending

594
01:07:52,032 --> 01:08:00,009
inventory values and our assigned fund balance, which will be are cash carry over

595
01:08:00,009 --> 01:08:07,054
from one year to the next, This is uh I'm gonna point out the fact that 106,211 is

596
01:08:07,054 --> 01:08:14,072
not where we want to be. We do, we are showing quite a high number for our capital

597
01:08:14,072 --> 01:08:22,036
outlays. Um But what I will tell the board is just because we are

598
01:08:22,036 --> 01:08:29,007
showing A in our capital and this is not including our lease payments, but there's

599
01:08:29,071 --> 01:08:37,046
1.1,370,000 of that. 106, you know, 100 and

600
01:08:37,046 --> 01:08:45,002
665,589. one point approximately 1.4 of that is an acquisition and replacement of

601
01:08:45,002 --> 01:08:52,086
new equipment and that's something that that we can can change throughout the year.

602
01:08:52,086 --> 01:08:56,097
So if we don't have the money we won't buy something. I'm just going to reassure

603
01:08:56,097 --> 01:09:02,006
the board that we manage this just like we do our home budgets, you don't have the

604
01:09:02,006 --> 01:09:08,009
money, you don't spend it. And so but we do want to show it in there because that

605
01:09:08,009 --> 01:09:15,006
is based on our replacement schedule. Um But I just want to reassure the board that

606
01:09:15,006 --> 01:09:19,049
we don't spend what we don't have. So that number at the end of the year could be

607
01:09:19,049 --> 01:09:25,079
less, which would then increase our ending fund balance going in from 2022 and 2023

608
01:09:30,027 --> 01:09:35,055
without just the available answering questions. I know I moved through these fast.

609
01:09:35,056 --> 01:09:43,047
But um yeah, good job. I think we're I'm already over

610
01:09:43,047 --> 01:09:48,008
time anyway, so I want to get the book, I don't have any questions at this time.

611
01:09:48,008 --> 01:09:54,057
If I if I can think of any, I'll meet with matt later. Did a good job, matt, thanks.

612
01:09:54,058 --> 01:09:58,049
And besides that, you did a great job the other night playing in the band for Kayleigh

613
01:09:58,049 --> 01:10:03,006
mcenany. Good job on that. I appreciate that. That was that was a true honor. She's

614
01:10:04,004 --> 01:10:08,088
such an incredible person, incredibly nice person to me. So, I gotta take my hat

615
01:10:08,088 --> 01:10:16,007
off to your band. You're good. Thank you. So, thank you for the presentation.

616
01:10:18,086 --> 01:10:25,001
All right, So next, we'll move down to do we want to take a break or get to keep

617
01:10:25,011 --> 01:10:30,079
going? Good. Yeah, the half of center I see. Tom's here.

618
01:10:36,016 --> 01:10:38,001
Thank you, matt. Thank you.

619
01:10:40,076 --> 01:10:40,096
Yeah,

620
01:10:57,056 --> 01:11:05,007
Good morning tom Well, mr Chairman Commissioner Alonzo, mourning this is Dina Brown.

621
01:11:05,007 --> 01:11:12,058
She's our finance slash sales manager slash everything. Welcome. Yeah,

622
01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:28,052
So go ahead whenever you're ready. So as you can see in this budget, it is um, we

623
01:11:28,052 --> 01:11:35,002
are anticipating 1.7 million in revenue that is down. We we brought that down on

624
01:11:35,021 --> 01:11:42,054
purpose. Um, we kind of base everything off of 2019, 20 was such and 21 has been

625
01:11:42,054 --> 01:11:49,026
such an anomaly. But there are a couple of larger social events that happened in

626
01:11:49,026 --> 01:11:55,038
the first quarter of the year. We pulled out of here. Just out of abundance of caution.

627
01:11:55,076 --> 01:11:57,038
We're anticipating that happening,

628
01:11:59,056 --> 01:12:05,008
but they haven't signed contracts yet. And the reason would obviously be because

629
01:12:05,008 --> 01:12:11,026
of Covid restrictions. Some of these larger groups don't feel as comfortable hosting

630
01:12:11,026 --> 01:12:18,017
those events, which is obviously not the greatest days, but

631
01:12:19,035 --> 01:12:25,049
what this has done for us. It's allowed us to pivot and we have, we had a large breakfast

632
01:12:25,049 --> 01:12:31,043
this morning. We're, we're still hosting events and they're not really slowing down

633
01:12:31,043 --> 01:12:37,043
as much. We change in the way we're hosting. Um, we have, You know, we have people

634
01:12:37,044 --> 01:12:41,096
where maybe it was a one day show historically and they would have 2000 people that

635
01:12:41,096 --> 01:12:49,029
end. You may see it in 22 as a two day show and only 900 people showed up that first

636
01:12:49,029 --> 01:12:54,081
day and then they sell tickets to the second day. So people are still, our phones

637
01:12:54,081 --> 01:12:58,006
are ringing, People are booking events were just having to be a little more creative

638
01:12:58,006 --> 01:13:01,098
on how we do it. So that way we can ensure that we're sanitizing the building, the

639
01:13:01,099 --> 01:13:06,015
buildings clean. That's a healthy environment for people to come into. So that's

640
01:13:06,015 --> 01:13:12,047
why we did out of abundance of caution drop are anticipated revenue down Mario I've

641
01:13:12,047 --> 01:13:16,047
spoke to the commissioner is one on one would never have a chance to see y'all that

642
01:13:16,085 --> 01:13:24,002
We are, we did write a budget with a 325,000 total subsidies. So 162,000 per county

643
01:13:24,002 --> 01:13:30,026
and city entity, which, You know, those are large numbers, but from where, where

644
01:13:30,026 --> 01:13:36,067
it was, when I started in 2015, where it is today, we have just continually reduced

645
01:13:36,067 --> 01:13:42,017
it. And that's good news and we think there's obviously still more room and what,

646
01:13:43,095 --> 01:13:50,048
What we anticipate doing, 22 could be a banner year. And the reason that is, is not

647
01:13:50,048 --> 01:13:56,047
so much me are my staff. We have a lot of events that rotate that will come back

648
01:13:56,047 --> 01:14:01,006
every year. They do one year in tri cities when you're in Boise, one year in Seattle.

649
01:14:01,064 --> 01:14:06,069
So there and so 22 were in the barrel for a couple of those larger events that we

650
01:14:06,069 --> 01:14:14,052
host. Um, so that's, that's the revenue. I typically don't go line by line on

651
01:14:14,052 --> 01:14:18,056
these. They're pretty self evident. But if there's any questions on the revenue,

652
01:14:19,004 --> 01:14:24,002
be more than happy to answer that before I get to the expense. I have no questions.

653
01:14:24,002 --> 01:14:27,036
Any questions on the revenue, no,

654
01:14:31,094 --> 01:14:38,027
on the, on our expenses. If you'll notice that our salaries are,

655
01:14:39,094 --> 01:14:47,045
there is a large reduction in salaries. Um, This is something that I've been slowly

656
01:14:47,045 --> 01:14:53,026
working on since 2015 July of 2015 whenever I showed up and took over this position.

657
01:14:55,014 --> 01:15:03,005
And as not to sound insensitive. I, the covid shutdown did

658
01:15:03,005 --> 01:15:10,045
give me an opening, um, to get to get the wages where I wanted them to be. And quite

659
01:15:10,045 --> 01:15:16,027
honestly, I got rid of a lot of wages over the years and I was very hesitant to take

660
01:15:16,027 --> 01:15:21,083
it much further because of just, I didn't know what would happen if I did it, would

661
01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:27,038
it have been Because a lot of times, you know, we average about 270, You stays. I

662
01:15:27,038 --> 01:15:31,036
pull those people out and I think we can do something that we can and then we can't

663
01:15:31,036 --> 01:15:38,001
service the contracts that we have. So um, that's why you see the large reduction

664
01:15:38,015 --> 01:15:44,026
in salaries, they're not coming back there. Maybe the position Susan used to hold

665
01:15:44,027 --> 01:15:48,084
that may have to come back at some point because that entry and disputing compliance

666
01:15:48,084 --> 01:15:53,087
with the state auditor can get quite overwhelming. Um, for a sales managers, last

667
01:15:53,087 --> 01:16:00,033
finance managers last year, editor slash facilities operator. Um, so that that's

668
01:16:00,033 --> 01:16:04,032
the position that we, we might come back, but that's obviously leading the charge

669
01:16:04,032 --> 01:16:09,015
on our, on our expense reduction, which is something that I'm happy to see is unfortunate

670
01:16:09,073 --> 01:16:12,088
because that means people are no longer employed there, but it needed to happen.

671
01:16:12,089 --> 01:16:17,084
It was good for the business, it was healthy for the business. Um If we go to line,

672
01:16:18,063 --> 01:16:23,076
I hope my lines are never the same as yours, but 47 06 this is electricity, natural

673
01:16:23,076 --> 01:16:29,077
gas, water sewer, Just real quick. If you add those three lines up, that's $217,000,

674
01:16:29,077 --> 01:16:36,001
that's the utilities of the building. Um, the subsidy that we plan on posting this

675
01:16:36,001 --> 01:16:40,041
year is obviously going to be, if everything as long as nothing jumps up, that's

676
01:16:40,041 --> 01:16:45,047
unforeseeable will be much less than what this budget calls for This drives directly

677
01:16:45,048 --> 01:16:49,044
to the energy audit that we are in the middle, of we have a meeting with the city

678
01:16:49,044 --> 01:16:54,085
on November 4 to discuss some funding options with the city regarding that audit

679
01:16:56,083 --> 01:17:02,043
this right here. If you look at all of my expenses, a lot of my expenses are on expenses

680
01:17:02,043 --> 01:17:06,016
but they get reimbursed back to us but we still have to show them as an expense because

681
01:17:06,017 --> 01:17:11,003
we physically pay a bill attached to that expense but we will bring in revenue to

682
01:17:11,003 --> 01:17:18,014
offset that line these these lines right here, the equipment of the building is original

683
01:17:18,014 --> 01:17:19,085
to the building um

684
01:17:22,003 --> 01:17:28,027
it's old. It's hard to replace, its hard to repair and if you look down just a few

685
01:17:28,027 --> 01:17:35,096
lines to 48 24 maintenance agreements at almost $60,000.

686
01:17:38,063 --> 01:17:45,002
That's high. That's very high for just put that in context of our building, the lights,

687
01:17:45,021 --> 01:17:49,025
we still have fluorescent lights in the parking lot that are run off balance. That's

688
01:17:49,025 --> 01:17:53,054
very expensive to have a maintenance contract on because when the balance goes out

689
01:17:53,055 --> 01:17:59,049
it's requiring a snorkel lift and a lot of, a lot of man hours to just replace the

690
01:17:59,049 --> 01:18:04,016
balance to replace the light bulb. I know there's gonna be a price tag attached to

691
01:18:04,016 --> 01:18:11,037
this energy audit that nobody likes to spend money but I believe that made up a great

692
01:18:11,038 --> 01:18:15,073
thing a few minutes ago, Penny's not spent today equals millions of dollars later.

693
01:18:16,003 --> 01:18:23,045
This system has never been upgraded ever. Um, We're still running off our R22 on

694
01:18:23,045 --> 01:18:28,031
our cooling cooling system just to get that if we lose any, it's very expensive and

695
01:18:28,031 --> 01:18:32,007
that's not, that's not under any of the maintenance agreements because my experience

696
01:18:32,007 --> 01:18:39,058
don't cover that. So that's a direct cost to us if that was to happen. Um, So this

697
01:18:39,059 --> 01:18:44,068
just to put it in context of what we're talking about the money we spend and the

698
01:18:44,068 --> 01:18:49,071
subsidy of what the city and the county pay as far operating costs. A large portion

699
01:18:49,071 --> 01:18:55,091
of that goes to the utilities. We will be back. I'm not exactly sure. I don't want

700
01:18:55,091 --> 01:18:59,091
to give you a date talking about energy audits and upgrading some of these old systems

701
01:18:59,091 --> 01:19:00,054
in the building

702
01:19:03,022 --> 01:19:06,041
and hopefully we're able to come back with good funding source for that, but it's,

703
01:19:06,042 --> 01:19:12,009
it's needed that those are large expenses that could be diverted obviously never

704
01:19:12,009 --> 01:19:15,035
gonna go away. We're still have lights are gonna get turned on and air is going to

705
01:19:15,035 --> 01:19:21,016
run and but there's no reason for it to be that expensive that the demand charges

706
01:19:21,016 --> 01:19:26,049
alone that we, that we are on the hook for every time we turn a light on our turn

707
01:19:26,049 --> 01:19:31,085
their condition on is unbelievable that something that we can't really account for

708
01:19:31,085 --> 01:19:35,074
it because we don't know exactly yet. I haven't seen the data, but McCann story on

709
01:19:35,074 --> 01:19:40,037
what we can anticipate. Just the reduction of demand charges? I know we can anticipate

710
01:19:40,037 --> 01:19:46,054
a 30% reduction in our energy cost and demand charges are separate from that. My

711
01:19:46,054 --> 01:19:47,043
understanding of,

712
01:19:49,052 --> 01:19:53,013
so look forward to be able to bring that to the board and make this picture look

713
01:19:53,013 --> 01:19:57,003
even even better. Um, and of course I'm looking through the lens and so on this there

714
01:19:57,003 --> 01:20:00,096
every day. It's my job. I'm very proud of the Apple center and what we've done. I

715
01:20:00,096 --> 01:20:05,054
know there's a lot of people to believe, I personally believe disinformation, they

716
01:20:05,055 --> 01:20:10,019
don't quite understand what happens there or how it happens. So you get a lot of

717
01:20:10,002 --> 01:20:15,041
just I think, and this is what someone told me last week type information out there,

718
01:20:15,041 --> 01:20:20,085
but we host a lot of events. We bring a lot of economic impact in the community.

719
01:20:20,086 --> 01:20:25,094
We're currently working with a promoter. I, I don't want to say it's going to get

720
01:20:25,095 --> 01:20:31,097
done. This is a big project, but if it, if it does the impact and the positive impact

721
01:20:31,097 --> 01:20:36,047
it's going to bring to use sports in the community. It will rival anything in eastern

722
01:20:36,047 --> 01:20:42,003
Washington. Um, so hopefully that will be some news I can bring to the board soon.

723
01:20:42,003 --> 01:20:47,033
I just want to get too far out over my skis in case that wasn't, um, to happen, but

724
01:20:48,011 --> 01:20:53,023
it would involve the arena and how the arena is used on almost a year round basis

725
01:20:53,088 --> 01:21:00,027
and really, really be positive for the community for the county, for the city and

726
01:21:00,027 --> 01:21:00,093
for the Apple Center.

727
01:21:08,011 --> 01:21:13,082
Do you have anything in your budget here? As far as regarding the parking lot? The

728
01:21:13,082 --> 01:21:14,063
parking lot?

729
01:21:17,031 --> 01:21:21,067
Oh no. That's typically something I put in my capital budget. I didn't, there's not

730
01:21:21,067 --> 01:21:25,049
a capital budget request that has been submitted because that's gonna be addressed

731
01:21:25,005 --> 01:21:28,087
through the energy audit. I didn't see the point of this redundancy and taking your

732
01:21:28,088 --> 01:21:35,018
guys time up more paper. Um The parking lot has not. So what we have done is part

733
01:21:35,018 --> 01:21:37,013
of the pricing that the board approved.

734
01:21:39,071 --> 01:21:43,084
I can't remember what it is, but the, the covid kind of fouled up how this is going

735
01:21:43,084 --> 01:21:48,022
to work. We charge a dollar per ticket sold on ticketed events and that money was

736
01:21:48,022 --> 01:21:55,026
going to directly go to help offset parking lot repairs And you know, some reason

737
01:21:55,026 --> 01:21:59,017
every time I go on a diet lettuce gets played with e. Coli, it seems like you have

738
01:21:59,017 --> 01:22:02,067
to go back to an ice cream and hamburgers. But as soon as we do that, we start trying

739
01:22:02,067 --> 01:22:08,072
to generate revenue specifically for the parking lot. We slow down due to covid.

740
01:22:08,072 --> 01:22:14,004
So we, we have a plan in place to try to maintain that parking lot outside of saying

741
01:22:14,041 --> 01:22:19,051
we need an additional part of money for it. Okay. And that's something that would

742
01:22:19,051 --> 01:22:25,003
normally, it has been on my capital budget request in the years past. I just, I didn't

743
01:22:25,004 --> 01:22:28,094
submit one because they're all everything except for the parking lot surface will

744
01:22:28,095 --> 01:22:35,029
be addressed in the, in the energy. Okay. Thank you. And that's the question I have

745
01:22:35,003 --> 01:22:40,007
to was that I remember meeting with you and the guy for the phone. I know you have

746
01:22:40,007 --> 01:22:43,077
a hard time hearing. So let me get the mic here. It's the microphone. I can't hear

747
01:22:43,077 --> 01:22:50,022
you. Okay, so back up. Is that better? Okay. So I remember meeting with you and the

748
01:22:50,023 --> 01:22:56,009
guy for the phone for the old marina, uh was is that gonna be included too in in

749
01:22:56,091 --> 01:23:02,033
capital improvements? That will be included in the energy audit. Um and part of the

750
01:23:02,034 --> 01:23:09,009
wrong pricing to uh insulate the arena. What did he come up with a bid? He didn't

751
01:23:09,009 --> 01:23:13,061
submit it to us because we went into agreement with McKinstry and had to go to McKinstry

752
01:23:13,062 --> 01:23:19,012
and I can't think of Alyssa's title um but it didn't come directly to us. I so I

753
01:23:19,012 --> 01:23:22,073
haven't seen that yet but we we will be seeing those numbers here very soon. Okay.

754
01:23:26,003 --> 01:23:29,001
All right. I have no more questions.

755
01:23:31,007 --> 01:23:39,003
Any other questions. Okay, so we'll move down to the RV MR chairman if it's okay.

756
01:23:39,003 --> 01:23:43,058
I was gonna set here with Susan. She never she never been through a budget hearing

757
01:23:43,058 --> 01:23:49,032
before. I was going to a sister. Okay. Absolutely. For the RV park.

758
01:23:51,004 --> 01:23:57,081
Yes. Okay, good morning, Good morning. So that

759
01:24:00,049 --> 01:24:05,077
please speak closely to the microphone to recording. I was just unsure of what kind

760
01:24:05,077 --> 01:24:12,091
of questions you talk about. The revenue kind of explains itself.

761
01:24:21,089 --> 01:24:29,006
So our revenues perhaps $2,300,000 a year, which is very minute to these other

762
01:24:29,006 --> 01:24:36,041
budgets. But are my expense expenses is like 123 so

763
01:24:36,089 --> 01:24:44,006
we make money, we subsidize the happy oh center 90,000. I don't anticipate any

764
01:24:44,009 --> 01:24:52,008
major um, expenses coming up. Um, I think I've tried to go

765
01:24:52,008 --> 01:24:58,085
into it with, where are we spending money and how can I save money? So there's some

766
01:24:58,085 --> 01:25:03,081
benefits that we offer the residents at the park like, like

767
01:25:07,039 --> 01:25:13,076
cable and just anyways, different things. The other thing that we have done is like

768
01:25:13,077 --> 01:25:21,071
the electrical before I came our expense was 100% and now we've introduced

769
01:25:21,072 --> 01:25:27,082
a percentage. We, we? Re evaluated each electrical bill and figured out how much

770
01:25:27,082 --> 01:25:34,004
we will, you and Our expenses and we're recouping that. So, so far just this year

771
01:25:34,004 --> 01:25:39,091
since March, every coop, um, $6,000 just for that and next year it'll be a lot more.

772
01:25:40,029 --> 01:25:48,018
Probably Probably 90%. Yes. The rent, we increase the rent by $50.

773
01:25:48,018 --> 01:25:54,047
So that's going to bring in more revenue. Um, this year There's so many people out

774
01:25:54,047 --> 01:26:01,035
there are being that I reduced our expenses by $5,000 for the marketing Because in

775
01:26:01,035 --> 01:26:08,027
the years past he spent 5000 these magazines are read magazines, good SAM, things

776
01:26:08,027 --> 01:26:12,033
like that. So we're not gonna stand that because I just have people, I have a waiting

777
01:26:12,033 --> 01:26:18,027
list of people coming in. I would, you don't need to advertise, I would expand the

778
01:26:18,027 --> 01:26:20,005
RV park if it was up to me. Um

779
01:26:22,098 --> 01:26:30,085
um the price for the RV, we're kind of on the lower end because the

780
01:26:30,085 --> 01:26:35,031
other RV parks in the area, they have summer rates and they have winter rates and

781
01:26:35,032 --> 01:26:42,024
there are more than what I'm charging. So don't we have to be, have to be in line

782
01:26:42,024 --> 01:26:48,023
with those. We uh we have kind of adopted a policy to try to be on the upper and

783
01:26:48,023 --> 01:26:55,022
as much as we can to avoid unfair competition with the private sector who doesn't

784
01:26:55,022 --> 01:27:02,044
have some of the or we get a benefit that they do not have. However, as we have continued

785
01:27:02,044 --> 01:27:08,072
to escalate the price. Uh she just mentioned, our beers have gone through the roof

786
01:27:08,072 --> 01:27:14,069
in the last since Covid and has generated a weighting less than and the other parks

787
01:27:14,069 --> 01:27:19,025
have just increased the rates because great for an RV park space. So universally

788
01:27:19,025 --> 01:27:23,093
across the Western United States in particular have gone up exponentially. Well,

789
01:27:23,093 --> 01:27:28,039
what I'm hearing though, it's not just all our beers, you've got people that are

790
01:27:29,068 --> 01:27:33,083
that are using this opportunity to sell their house here in the tri cities for a

791
01:27:33,083 --> 01:27:39,081
lot of money and then they buy an RV and they're residing in it until they can see

792
01:27:39,081 --> 01:27:42,086
what they're moving on. They're going to florida, they're going everywhere. I have

793
01:27:42,086 --> 01:27:47,016
all kinds of Yes, so I don't know keith, what do you think? Do you think they should

794
01:27:47,017 --> 01:27:51,005
be looking at raising their rates and stay competitive? We we are trying to do that.

795
01:27:51,051 --> 01:27:56,006
I think Susan would vouch for this that we have a pretty good relationship with the

796
01:27:56,007 --> 01:28:02,087
local RV parks. We share information, we refer people to them if we are full and

797
01:28:02,087 --> 01:28:09,014
they have vacancies we encourage people to to go there. I don't think that they view

798
01:28:09,014 --> 01:28:16,029
us as a a major competitor. We have que away which is probably the closest and

799
01:28:16,077 --> 01:28:23,006
most like our RV park but they have so many more spaces than we do. Many more amenities

800
01:28:23,006 --> 01:28:30,098
than we do. Uh huh. It's a little bit of a different clientele that we serve but

801
01:28:30,099 --> 01:28:37,004
a six month limit on. Yeah we no longer have anybody over a six month contract, correct.

802
01:28:40,027 --> 01:28:46,036
So I think you know Susan won't tell you this herself but I will brag on her a little

803
01:28:46,036 --> 01:28:50,006
bit of some of the managerial things that have changed over there have really improved

804
01:28:51,007 --> 01:28:57,091
relationships with the tenants as well as the other local RV parks. She's done a

805
01:28:57,092 --> 01:29:02,042
great amount of work solving some really long term perpetual problems. We've had

806
01:29:02,043 --> 01:29:06,066
tree roots for example that we're growing up out of the ground created a tripping

807
01:29:06,066 --> 01:29:14,003
hazard. A real significant problem with rust continuing to show up in the water supply

808
01:29:14,004 --> 01:29:18,019
because we're kind of at the end of the line in the city's water delivery system.

809
01:29:18,077 --> 01:29:26,006
And so we've had to engineer some plumbing that Susan's put together to save us some

810
01:29:26,006 --> 01:29:30,041
money in fixing that problem. But also making sure that we're delivering a better

811
01:29:30,042 --> 01:29:33,078
quality service to our customers there.

812
01:29:35,087 --> 01:29:43,006
Good job, go in every day and try half the battle. But you have any questions?

813
01:29:44,047 --> 01:29:49,005
A questions mr Malone. So you talked about the electricity,

814
01:29:51,077 --> 01:29:56,016
Do you pay, does the tenant pay a percentage or they just have all the electricity

815
01:29:56,016 --> 01:30:03,032
they can use each each site when they move in. We check it when they leave. Um It's

816
01:30:03,032 --> 01:30:10,035
just it's always been that way but they were never charged enough. So like the city

817
01:30:10,035 --> 01:30:17,068
of our bill was 27 3 or whatever and we were getting like .1

818
01:30:18,016 --> 01:30:25,048
so it was costing this money so now where it's an even even wash. So

819
01:30:27,016 --> 01:30:32,021
I would just like to illiterate the part that I think if whatever rates are we should

820
01:30:32,022 --> 01:30:38,023
be at the higher end we should. Um And I guess I don't like the idea of competing

821
01:30:38,023 --> 01:30:45,024
against local businesses. So if anything we should set the rate has been a little

822
01:30:45,024 --> 01:30:50,032
bit on the higher end. When I checked it at the beginning of the air, we were in

823
01:30:50,033 --> 01:30:56,035
good competition. It was pretty even and then these other parts have just increased

824
01:30:56,035 --> 01:31:01,067
their rates right? That's what I'm saying that if we're on the higher end of what

825
01:31:01,067 --> 01:31:07,069
the rate is, gives the local business is a chance to adjust their rates to

826
01:31:09,056 --> 01:31:15,048
maybe be a little bit less than what we are, that we were not unfairly competing

827
01:31:15,048 --> 01:31:21,044
against them. That's just my thought. I mean, I've owned businesses where, Oh, I've

828
01:31:21,044 --> 01:31:27,057
had to compete against local government agencies, let's say. And

829
01:31:29,076 --> 01:31:35,008
As a private business owner, you're the one bringing forth all of your own funds

830
01:31:35,021 --> 01:31:40,038
to compete against what appears to be competing against someone with unlimited funds.

831
01:31:41,096 --> 01:31:45,094
And I've had them come down and they said, well, competition is great. You know,

832
01:31:45,095 --> 01:31:53,004
and I'm like, well, it's kind of unfair competition. This is my money. And you're

833
01:31:53,004 --> 01:31:59,098
using local government money to fund your competition to me. And so

834
01:32:00,065 --> 01:32:07,058
I just like to see that our rates are on the higher end of of what the local rates

835
01:32:07,058 --> 01:32:10,076
are. So that it gives them a fair opportunity to raise theirs.

836
01:32:12,085 --> 01:32:18,091
It's my two thoughts. So, thank you. That's great. And it's consistent with what

837
01:32:18,091 --> 01:32:22,047
are philosophy has been out there. Good.

838
01:32:25,025 --> 01:32:30,008
All right, well, it sounds like you're doing a great job. Thank you. Yes, thank you

839
01:32:30,009 --> 01:32:37,094
for getting that liability problem off our back to. All right. So, with

840
01:32:37,094 --> 01:32:43,082
that, we're moving down to the end of the agenda here. Review miscellaneous funds

841
01:32:43,082 --> 01:32:48,021
or post moments if necessary. But I don't think we have any do it tom I think we're

842
01:32:48,021 --> 01:32:55,089
all clear here. Well, had no postponements, I think probably using what the next

843
01:32:55,089 --> 01:33:02,085
step is tom and tim and I put our heads together and mhm. Kind of bring back before

844
01:33:02,085 --> 01:33:08,094
the board options. I'll certainly visit with each of you individually to, I'm gonna

845
01:33:08,095 --> 01:33:14,029
get a gauge of what you think you'll support or what you think should not be supported

846
01:33:14,029 --> 01:33:18,089
in terms of additional budget request. We've obviously got some really large questions

847
01:33:18,089 --> 01:33:26,007
to answer regarding our labor contract and employee benefits and some issues

848
01:33:26,007 --> 01:33:29,048
around inflation and those kinds of things to address.

849
01:33:33,025 --> 01:33:39,015
What am I missing tim tom. I think you got that right. Usually we'll review the revenues

850
01:33:39,015 --> 01:33:42,067
again because it's been a few months since the department had a chance to really

851
01:33:42,068 --> 01:33:47,045
compare to prior years and this year. And then we have some spreadsheets that we've

852
01:33:47,045 --> 01:33:54,048
used to basically summarize all the changes and prioritize them a list of the capitals,

853
01:33:54,048 --> 01:34:00,002
the, you know, the salary increases or new positions and then bring that before the

854
01:34:00,002 --> 01:34:04,045
board Once we kind of distill it down to a decision making level. Mm

855
01:34:07,004 --> 01:34:14,043
Okay. So you'll be meeting with him the next couple of weeks. And then what timeline

856
01:34:14,043 --> 01:34:19,095
do you think when we um certainly

857
01:34:22,074 --> 01:34:29,035
Probably, yeah, soon as 16 November should have something pretty close to What we

858
01:34:29,035 --> 01:34:35,045
think the adoption dates, 23 November so we can meet as early as you know, early

859
01:34:35,045 --> 01:34:37,067
next week. Right.

860
01:34:39,074 --> 01:34:45,095
True. Thank everyone for your hard work And if there's no further business might

861
01:34:45,095 --> 01:34:51,022
just note for the record that we have scheduled an opportunity on Friday from 9 to

862
01:34:51,022 --> 01:34:55,087
1130 to also do any review or miscellaneous friends. We're not gonna need that session.

863
01:34:55,088 --> 01:35:00,034
So I just want to make sure that the public is aware of. We're not meeting tomorrow

864
01:35:00,034 --> 01:35:05,048
to discuss the budget. Thank you, keith. So it's no further business. This meeting

865
01:35:05,048 --> 01:35:06,017
is adjourned.