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Good evening, everyone.

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I would like to call the City Council meeting, Monday, August

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31st, 2026 to order.

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And could we all stand to salute the flag.

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Join me as we salute the flag. Thank you.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Councilor Priebe, do we have any veterans that have

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passed?

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I guess.

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Councilor

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Jacobson will be joining us by Zoom,

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so I need a roll call vote to accept him.

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First of all, Councilor Jacobson?

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Yes.

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Could you explain why you're not with us this evening, and do you

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have anyone with you?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I am, once again, on a work assignment outside of

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the state and unable to attend in person.

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I am alone.

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Thank you. Now, I will take a roll call vote.

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Could I have a motion

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to accept

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Councilor Jacobson to join us this evening? Councilor Warner?

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I move to allow Councilor Jacobson to participate

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remotely.

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Second.

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A motion has been made and seconded. Any discussion?

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If not,

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roll call vote.

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Councilor Boyce?

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Yes.

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Councilor Hoppe isn't here. Councilor Johnston?

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Yes.

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Councilor Priebe?

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Yes.

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Councilor Forge?

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Yes.

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Councilor Warner?

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Yes.

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Councilor Hallie Cook isn't with us. Councilor Carrier?

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Yes.

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The motion passes with six votes in

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favor. City manager?

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And just as a point of information, I did receive a text right

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before the meeting started from Councilor Cook saying she was running late.

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So I expect she will be joining us as soon as she can.

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Thank you.

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Councilor Priebe, do you know of any veterans that might have passed

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this past month?

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I have no notification of any Franklin veteran passing away.

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But I need everyone to remove your hats and bow your heads for a moment of silence

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for the veterans who are still out there fighting for our freedom.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councilor Priebe.

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Welcome.

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We will now move on to the public hearing.

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The first item to come before the council

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or the public is the school board

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clarification C-13 and

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C-14. The charter inconsistently refers to

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the city school governing body as both

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Board of Education and school board.

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This proposed change would

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standardize the term as school

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board.

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Is there anyone from the public that would like to come forward and

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comment on this change?

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Seeing no one coming forward, I will close the public

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hearing on this item and move on to the next

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Neutralizing gender bias

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municipal order sections uses gender-specified terms that

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do not reflect the current historic

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composition of city office holders.

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This proposed change would replace such language

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with gender-natural terms throughout the sections

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listed. Is there anyone that would like to come forward and comment?

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Seeing no one coming forward, I will now close the public hearing

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on this item,

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and we will move forward onto legislative update.

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Do we have any representatives,

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legislative representatives here this evening?

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I don't see anyone coming forward, so we will move

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on.

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We will now move on to

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comments from the public.

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Persons wishing to address the council may speak for a

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maximum of three minutes. No more than 30

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minutes will be devoted to the public comment.

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When you come forward, please sign in your name and what ward,

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and then

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speak out loud so that we can record it. Thank you.

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Can you hear me?

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Okay. Good evening. I'm going to start out on a very positive note.

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I'd like to publicly acknowledge and thank-

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Oh, oh. What's your name?

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Oh, Judith Ackerson, Ward 3. I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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Okay. I know who I am.

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I would like to publicly acknowledge and thank Sam Jacobson for the

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excellent Franklin Forward blog, which he produces several days before

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each council meeting. His review of the issues, with comments

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about each, helps us to be prepared for the upcoming meeting and

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gives us insight into his thoughts on each issue.

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He also presents on committee work as well.

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I appreciate the energy he puts into reviewing all data presented to

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him and the remarkable job he does in producing this blog.

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Even though I cannot vote for Sam, as he is Ward 2 and I am Ward

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3, every one of the votes cast by the nine councilors

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on this council affects every resident in all

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wards. So, I thank you, Sam.

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Hey, Karen Darling, Ward 3. I want to

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invite, make sure all the council and the city

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manager and the mayor

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know about the candidate forum is here,

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Sunday, September 27th, by Choose Franklin.

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I'm here representing Choose Franklin.

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I have flyers for each of you that I'll pass out afterwards, and a few to put on

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the table. And just to remind, any of

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you can also submit questions,

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which are until September 5th. So, there's a link on the flyer.

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They can submit questions to be considered for

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asking at the candidates forum. So, we're collecting those for

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about another week. And I did send follow-up

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invitations to each of the candidates.

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So Tim Johnson, I printed yours because I wasn't sure if you got my email,

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because I sent a second follow-up email today. So I knew you'd be here.

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And there are a few other people who haven't responded, so I was

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hoping maybe I'd see some of them. So anyway, it's September

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27th, which is Sunday at 6:00 PM here at the ELKS.

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City manager.

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I know I'm not supposed to say anything, but thank you for working around the city

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council schedule, too.

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Okay.

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Good evening. Jim Jones, Ward 2.

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This is to the city council. As you consider the

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MOU this evening for the Franklin Outing Club,

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I implore you to vote

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for it without further ado. There's been a lot of

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negotiations, a lot of give and take.

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I think it's well prepared

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and genuinely beneficial to both parties.

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And what I need you to know is that in order for the Outing

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Club to continue to run the Veterans Memorial Recreation Area,

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this MOU being adopted is imperative.

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There is grant money on the line that we won't be able to get without this

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MOU.

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We're in the midst of a capital campaign with donors sitting on

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the sideline to see how the city handles this, and if they

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agree to a long-term relationship

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In order to continue improving

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program and infrastructure, it's imperative that we move this

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forward. I ask you to put your biases behind your

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preconceived notions and listen to the citizens this

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evening and in your emails. Thank you.

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I would need this moved closer.

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Let's move.

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Oops.

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Just when we get you on camera. Hey.

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I'm going to leave this blank because I think I just sorted this one.

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Do I push the whole? I thought it was

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off all the time.

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Good evening. Bob Lucas from Ward One.

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For several years now, a group of civic-minded people have placed

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kayaks and flowers at several places around town.

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These kayaks and flowers, along with flags, banners, and

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hanging baskets, have served to beautify Franklin and to

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demonstrate civic pride.

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All materials and manpower come by way of volunteerism.

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They do not support any one business.

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Instead, they serve to promote this city and its economic

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vitality.

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Most recently, a lone naysayer complained to our city manager,

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claiming the kayak planters were a traffic hazard and

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demanded, under a threat of a lawsuit,

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that they be immediately removed.

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I would never allow myself to be bullied in this manner, and I don't think the

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city should either. The decision may not be

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overturned, but we should always carry the banner of economic

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growth and revitalization. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening. Good evening, council. Andrew Duguay, Ward 2.

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I should be at home right now with my family, having

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dinner. My daughter just had her first day of first grade at

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Paul Smith School, but I'm here in front of you guys because I feel that

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this is important to show that

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me and my family, as residents of Franklin,

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it's very important to us what the Franklin Aming Club does and

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the value that we get from the Veterans Memorial Ski Area and we hope that

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you move forward with the MOU that you'll be discussing later tonight.

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I think by approving the MOU,

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you're supporting families like mine who choose to live here in Franklin

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because of community resources like the vets.

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My daughter, Autumn, is five years old.

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She learned to ski at the vets last winter through the ski program.

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We sled, ski, and have lunch together as a family almost every weekend in the

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winter, and it's the most meaningful part of my week.

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It's affordable, family-friendly, local, and it's a special

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place for my family and many other families in Franklin.

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Please know that you have a really good thing here, and that it deserves a

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long-term commitment and support from the city of Franklin.

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Thank you.

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I am Mila Albert.

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And speaking of good things in Franklin.

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I'm from Ward One.

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And I want to tell you about two good things in Franklin.

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Get your name for the button so that they-

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Mila Albert, if you didn't know.

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Ward One, you might not.

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Anyway, I am here to remind you and to invite you

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that two weeks from tonight, I will be collapsed

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because the Franklin Renaissance Fair will be

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over. We are, on the 12th and 13th,

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going to be down at O'Dell Park.

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We have a lot of vendors, food vendors,

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a lot of entertainers.

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In fact, all history buffs should be wanting to come because we have a

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group that's a national group that is here, and everything they do is

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100% renaissance.

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The other hat that I'd like to put on is to remind you that two

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weeks after the Renaissance Fair, we're going to have the Fireman's

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Muster, and I'm getting real excited about it. Not that I really know.

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I'm not quite old enough to remember how they did that,

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but I put it

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forward.

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Getting hired already.

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Yeah. No, you're welcome to.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Just a few comments on the upcoming agenda items. I'm Lee Webb, Ward 3.

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I signed it, so at least you know, and most people will recognize me by

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my voice anyway, but

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I'm curious, and these

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questions can be during your deliberation of the agenda

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items upcoming.

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I'm curious as to the purpose of moving the rec fees out of the city code,

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and also

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redefining park assets. Maybe you can

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just briefly go over that when you start your discussion as to why those things are

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needed.

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The public hearing, I was in attendance at the

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legislative committee meeting that discussed this.

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And I just want to make sure that

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the language that you are looking to adopt tonight has been

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vetted properly by legal,

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as well as maybe a second legal opinion from the NHMA.

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And just a reminder that I said to the committee and I will say to the

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entire council

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is that

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you can always have more public hearings, but the

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RSAs do not allow you to have fewer.

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And I'm always an advocate of more public participation

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only because it fosters transparency.

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And I hope that's part of your deliberation tonight.

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Project.

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Something I want a whole lot more of this

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transition,

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and whether it is

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a benefit that is perceived rather than real.

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And I would hope that if this transition goes through,

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that there is a positive benefit for Franklin,

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and there are no, as you used to say in the legislature, no

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unintended consequences. So,

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take that very seriously when you deliberate it.

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And I thank you for your attention.

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Leanne Feasel, Ward 2.

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Couple of things on the agenda items

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regarding the MOU.

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This has been here I don't know how many times. It's time to move on.

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This is important to our community.

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You're hearing people talk about their families using it.

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Let's just move on with this.

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Item seven,

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electronic

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use. I agree with it, and I think you should move forward with it.

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But I will also remind you, I've been coming here for years asking you to set a

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policy for social media,

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because I get pretty tired of the stuff that happens on social media with our

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elected officials, and I would really hope that we could set a policy

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just like we're doing with the electronics.

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And I would be remiss if I didn't just say a little something about the kayaks.

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I'm not going to say everything that I wrote.

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I'm just going to say that I was pretty disappointed.

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Sounds like one individual from the 91A information,

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what little there is out there,

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uses the threat to sue this community for something that has sat there for six

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years. If the DOT had a problem six years ago, it would've been dealt with.

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So,

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we're Franklin. We don't get bullied.

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Bring this to the council

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for next year. Let's get our kayaks back on.

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I'm Kathy Rago, Ward 3.

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One of the things I wanted to talk about tonight

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seems to be a hot button issue lately.

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I want to talk about data centers.

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Data centers are the new industrial revolution,

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and I'm here today to ask you to consider setting up a

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committee

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of citizens to do research on the pros and cons of a data center

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in Franklin.

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Just as the combustible engine replaced the horse and buggy, data centers

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are coming, and they're here to stay.

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This city always seems to have a revenue problem, and you can't

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put the tax burden solely on those of us who have worked hard for 30

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years to pay off our houses and then find ourselves

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taxed out of our homes. It's not right.

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I don't think anyone really wants to do that.

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At least I hope not.

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The handout is basically about a small town in the state of

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Washington. The population is about 8,100.

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It's about our size. Started building a data center

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about 20 years ago. They also were on the Columbia River.

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We're on three rivers.

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The result was years of data center tax

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revenue helped to build a state-of-the-art high school, a hospital,

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and a new aquatic center for the community.

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There were already a handful of data centers in New Hampshire, and I believe the

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newest one's in Hooksett.

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I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I was told. I haven't read it.

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People use data centers every day.

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Every time you send an email Stream a video, make an online

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purchase, use Google Drive, a data center is working hard

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behind the scenes. The amount of data processed by

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data centers every day is equivalent to streaming 18,000

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hours of high definition video every second.

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The latest in the news is in Loudoun County, Virginia,

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which if anybody's paying attention, they've been on the news a lot lately.

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In 2024, the data centers across Northern Virginia

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paid an estimated $1.3 billion directly in property taxes

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to the local government.

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So all I'm suggesting is, let's not base decisions on

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emotions, but on facts.

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There are a lot of myths and propaganda out there about data centers.

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There's a lot of good points, there's a lot of bad points.

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I concede that. I'm just asking if you'd

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consider appointing a committee to do the research to dispel

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the facts and the myths. Actually, to dispel the

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myths and bring forth the facts,

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and base those decisions on facts. Bring that certainly to the community.

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That's all I'm asking. Thank you.

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Is there anyone else that would like to come forward before I close the public

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comment?

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Good evening, Dean Laffey, Ward 3.

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I was going to be quiet tonight.

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But Kathy brought up the point about data centers, and I just ran through some

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rough numbers.

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Going through this budget process this year was painful,

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but it's exactly the same pain we've had for the last 12 to

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15 years.

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Same spots of my body hurt, the same chairs hurt. It's the same.

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If we don't change what we're doing,

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we're trying to write the definition of insanity.

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Keep doing the same thing, expect a different result.

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What Kathy brought up is

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exactly where we need to go. Not necessarily a data center, but that's a very good

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option. The city is short about

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$5.4 million budget annually

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if we add up the school, the roads, the

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CIP, and the police and fire.

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In order to gain that amount of revenue inside the budget,

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we need to raise an asset base for taxes of about

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250 to 275 there.

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And in doing that,

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we'd be able to fund the businesses the way we want or the areas that

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we want. But without doing that, having a

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high asset value, low employee content inside the city,

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we're going to continue to struggle where we are.

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We're never going to make it any other way.

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So, I think she's right on the mark, and I think it would be great

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if the council, the mayor, and city

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manager would move on this much quicker.

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We're working on projects that aren't going to help the city of Franklin, and not

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working on where we need to go economically for the city.

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And $5.5 millions would change the world here for the kids in the city.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else that would like to come forward?

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If not, is there any city councilor that may have a letter that they would

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like to read this evening?

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Councilor Warner?

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Yeah. I would just like to say, I may have had one.

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I think we've all experienced the

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problem with our email since about lunchtime.

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So if anyone has sent a letter to be read and

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no one happened to check their emails

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before that letter came in or whatever,

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my email has not updated since about lunch, so

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there's a good possibility that there are letters out there that are not going to

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be read that were not to me.

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Thank you, Councilor. Councilor Jacobson?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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A second what Councilor Warner just said.

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I've been having the same trouble with my email, but this came in earlier.

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Mayor, City Councilor, City Manager, it is unconscionable that the city has

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responded to the mere threat of a suit and moved the kayaks at the intersection of

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Central and Main Streets. Set aside whether the individual making the threat

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has his primary residence in Franklin, where is the harm to this

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individual which would be the basis for a suit?

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It is my understanding that the DOT has said they have no concern about the

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placement of these kayaks. The kayaks are part of a project that the

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city's recreation department started several years ago,

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and for which it collects donations.

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So it has the city's official seal of approval.

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There has been no incident related to the placement of these kayaks as long as

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they've been there.

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It's bad enough that these works of beauty have been impacted, but it's worse that

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the city government has wasted any time on this issue when there are so many issues

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of greater import that need your attention.

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It's clear that the vast majority of Franklin residents appreciate these displays

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and want them to remain on the medians.

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Therefore, I urge the council to pass a motion approving their placement there and

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move on to real issues. Thank you for your time. Vince Rivas, Ward 2.

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Councilor Warner?

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Okay.

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Anyone else?

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If not, I will now close the public

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Comment section.

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And we will move on to city council acknowledgement.

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Any city councilor have anything to-- Council Warner?

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Yeah, given the many changes that have occurred in the last

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few months really, with the city's website,

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the interactive

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components of it. We can now track service requests.

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We have

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a public comment section. The new website is

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being updated, and it's certainly more attractive.

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I just wanted to commend the city staff.

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I may be incorrect, but I believe

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that the executive assistant to the city manager, Brenda

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Demers, is the

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spearhead

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on this spear. And I just wanted to

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point out that I think that these are good changes.

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They're appreciated, and communication

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is what lends to greater transparency.

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Councilor Johnston.

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First, I'd second what Councilor Warner just said.

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Brenda's doing an awesome job. I'm glad Mitch hired her.

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Second, I don't know how many people are

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aware of this, but there actually is a little bit of movement as far as getting

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a couple of roads paved. So I wanted to thank the city manager

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and the municipal services department for actually

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starting to move forward with getting a couple of roads paved here and there.

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And, hopefully we'll see that continued into the years in the future.

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Any other councilors?

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If not, then we will move on to

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the mayor's update. And, first off,

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I would like to invite Myla Everett forward

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so that I could read a proclamation for

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Renaissance Fair Weekend.

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Good night. Thank you.

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Mayoral proclamation in honor of President.

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In honor of.

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What is that slip about?

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Myla Everett's

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Renaissance Fair Weekend.

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In the year of our Lord, 2026, in proclamation

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relating to Renaissance Fair Weekend in Franklin, New Hampshire.

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And in the keeping of our city's efforts to encourage

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opportunities of culture, art, and activities,

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we celebrate the European Renaissance

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period with fostering

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community among our residents.

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Whereas, Renaissance Fair Weekend began in

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2016 in Franklin, first at the Elks Field, and

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has continued each year on the weekend following Labor Day.

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Whereas, the Renaissance Fair serves as an

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educational experience combining historic

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period elements, spiritual with

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traditional grab

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and artistry ware for sale. And whereas, the Renaissance

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Fair is a family-friendly event that brings our community together in the

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spirit of celebration. And whereas, the

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festivities shall be held in accordance with the tradition

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at Odell Park for the two-day weekend in the

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spirit of celebration and community.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that I,

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Glenn Morrell, Mayor of the City of Franklin, New Hampshire, do

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hereby proclaim

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Saturday, September 12th and Sunday, September 13th,

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2026 as Renaissance Fair Weekend for the

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City of Franklin and urge all citizens to join with

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family and friends in celebrating this event by attending the

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festivities and partaking in the merriment,

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traditional costumes, food, and activities.

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Thank you, Myla.

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Can I ask a question?

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Sure.

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How many of you have heard our ad on the radio?

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Nobody?

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We started Friday.

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One.

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One.

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I heard it.

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Thank you.

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Myla, I've heard it, too.

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Which station?

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The Franklin

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station.

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Mr. Gary?

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Okay.

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Also, I would like to

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continue with the mayor's update.

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I attended phase two of the groundbreaking ceremony at the

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Easter Seals of New Hampshire Military Veterans Campus.

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When phase two is completed, the campus will expand to include an

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equine and recreation center, as well as an

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empowerment and personal growth center.

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These two facilities, along with the other planned

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projects, will transform this campus into something truly

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special for our veterans, and Franklin is proud to have

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this campus

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here in our city

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So, it was a great event attended by many

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00:36:43,192 --> 00:36:43,712
city of

518
00:36:44,912 --> 00:36:48,592
state officials, a great turnout, and

519
00:36:48,952 --> 00:36:51,752
they have started work on this new

520
00:36:53,612 --> 00:36:56,932
facility. So, it was a great event. So.

521
00:36:58,832 --> 00:37:02,612
That's all I have. So I will now pass it on to the

522
00:37:02,652 --> 00:37:04,272
city manager for his update.

523
00:37:07,852 --> 00:37:08,412
Thank you, Commissioner.

524
00:37:10,092 --> 00:37:13,892
I wish mine were going to be quite that short, but it won't be the longest one I've

525
00:37:13,912 --> 00:37:14,372
ever done.

526
00:37:15,672 --> 00:37:16,492
Good evening, everyone.

527
00:37:18,692 --> 00:37:21,452
So I'd like to start off tonight and talk a little bit about the kayaks.

528
00:37:23,232 --> 00:37:26,932
Moving the kayaks was not an easy choice or one that I made quickly.

529
00:37:28,012 --> 00:37:31,692
However, there is a legitimate legal/safety

530
00:37:31,732 --> 00:37:33,832
ambiguity around having them in the medians.

531
00:37:34,572 --> 00:37:38,402
It's a wonderfully gray area, like a lot of our state law and

532
00:37:38,432 --> 00:37:40,552
even more of our local law as written.

533
00:37:42,092 --> 00:37:45,672
I had consulted or have consulted with experts,

534
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:48,932
including at the New Hampshire DOT,

535
00:37:49,732 --> 00:37:50,912
several road agents.

536
00:37:51,832 --> 00:37:55,732
I have reports provided by individuals who state they were experts but would

537
00:37:55,752 --> 00:37:59,392
not sign them. I have lawyers weighing in on both sides of the

538
00:37:59,432 --> 00:38:02,632
legality, and it's still a wonderfully gray area.

539
00:38:03,192 --> 00:38:07,082
Of everyone I talked to, no one could confirm that

540
00:38:07,092 --> 00:38:11,032
there was not an increased risk of liability to the city by having

541
00:38:11,072 --> 00:38:14,752
them in the median based on the fact that they are in

542
00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:18,192
violation of the engineering guidance and clear spaces.

543
00:38:18,872 --> 00:38:22,592
Now, having said that, there was never any discussion of trying to get rid of the

544
00:38:22,632 --> 00:38:26,452
kayaks. We were simply going to move them from the center to the sides of the road.

545
00:38:27,252 --> 00:38:28,712
And I know that there's a lot of

546
00:38:30,392 --> 00:38:31,652
discussion on Facebook.

547
00:38:33,032 --> 00:38:36,872
I would not characterize a threat or bullying to be

548
00:38:36,912 --> 00:38:40,612
done to this. It was a legitimate safety concern that I can't make go

549
00:38:40,632 --> 00:38:44,612
away. Now, what I would like, instead of the city having to

550
00:38:44,712 --> 00:38:48,692
pay for the lawyers to do the work, is the nonprofits to

551
00:38:48,732 --> 00:38:49,392
bring me back

552
00:38:50,252 --> 00:38:53,892
the studies that show why it is safe, why it's not a violation of

553
00:38:54,652 --> 00:38:58,532
the engineering guidance. And I would love to have that presented to the council so

554
00:38:58,572 --> 00:39:00,672
that next spring they can be put back in the medians.

555
00:39:01,352 --> 00:39:05,332
But I don't have that right now. And as many people have stated tonight,

556
00:39:05,592 --> 00:39:09,372
I don't believe it's a good use of either city employee time or

557
00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:13,172
city money to do that research that a nonprofit could do for us.

558
00:39:14,052 --> 00:39:17,672
So I know I've received several

559
00:39:17,732 --> 00:39:18,152
emails.

560
00:39:19,352 --> 00:39:23,012
And in fact, I would argue that City Hall, my office, was the

561
00:39:23,112 --> 00:39:26,972
subject of a denial of service attack, where people repeatedly

562
00:39:27,032 --> 00:39:30,852
called our phones simply to tell us not to move the kayaks

563
00:39:30,912 --> 00:39:34,612
without even understanding that there was an issue just beside one

564
00:39:34,652 --> 00:39:36,612
individual having an issue with them.

565
00:39:37,232 --> 00:39:38,951
There is a legitimate safety concern.

566
00:39:40,092 --> 00:39:43,852
So, having said that, that's probably more time than I want to spend.

567
00:39:44,532 --> 00:39:47,912
I am hoping that the work will be done, and we'll be able to return them,

568
00:39:48,732 --> 00:39:49,992
with all legal necessity,

569
00:39:50,872 --> 00:39:53,652
the next time they go out. And I will say,

570
00:39:54,632 --> 00:39:58,572
I love them. They're beautiful. I get more compliments from both people

571
00:39:58,612 --> 00:40:02,592
in Franklin and people who just drive through Franklin every day on how

572
00:40:02,672 --> 00:40:05,452
beautiful the flowers are. I am a big supporter.

573
00:40:07,672 --> 00:40:11,452
On other business. First, it's been noted today, if you sent

574
00:40:11,512 --> 00:40:15,012
an email to any city official after

575
00:40:15,032 --> 00:40:18,652
12:30 this afternoon, 12:36 to be exact,

576
00:40:19,692 --> 00:40:23,532
it has not been delivered, nor has any email that a city official

577
00:40:23,572 --> 00:40:26,212
has sent back to you since that time been delivered.

578
00:40:26,232 --> 00:40:27,672
It's sitting in our outboxes.

579
00:40:28,732 --> 00:40:31,872
This is a Microsoft issue, or at least that's what CCS tells me.

580
00:40:32,362 --> 00:40:33,632
It's not a local issue.

581
00:40:34,712 --> 00:40:34,992
So,

582
00:40:36,632 --> 00:40:38,752
I apologize. If there's any information,

583
00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:40,612
please give me a call.

584
00:40:41,592 --> 00:40:45,232
If you need to talk to me directly, I am hoping, knock on wood, hope is not the

585
00:40:45,332 --> 00:40:49,072
best course of action, but it is definitely one we can take, that Microsoft will

586
00:40:49,172 --> 00:40:51,172
have this resolved by tomorrow morning.

587
00:40:53,872 --> 00:40:55,672
Roads were mentioned. Thank you for that.

588
00:40:55,812 --> 00:40:59,692
And, what I will let you know is that the proposals and

589
00:40:59,812 --> 00:41:03,452
cost estimates that I received, I received this afternoon

590
00:41:04,212 --> 00:41:06,332
and didn't have the heart to put a late item out.

591
00:41:06,772 --> 00:41:10,392
Well, even if I could have, I didn't have the email capability to get a late item

592
00:41:10,512 --> 00:41:12,932
to you, but there were already 14 agenda items.

593
00:41:13,612 --> 00:41:17,452
So, with any, again, hope being the best course of

594
00:41:17,492 --> 00:41:21,012
action I have, that may be something we discuss at the workshop,

595
00:41:21,512 --> 00:41:23,342
if we do set a workshop up on the 14th.

596
00:41:23,932 --> 00:41:27,922
Or it will certainly be an agenda item you see at the meeting at the end

597
00:41:27,932 --> 00:41:28,672
of next month.

598
00:41:32,372 --> 00:41:34,832
A few councilors had asked for an update on the Whitewater project.

599
00:41:35,852 --> 00:41:38,832
We have received two invoices since the work resumed on the project.

600
00:41:39,552 --> 00:41:42,472
I have a meeting with the city manager, or excuse me, with the project manager.

601
00:41:42,932 --> 00:41:44,652
I am the city manager. I have a meeting with him, too,

602
00:41:46,572 --> 00:41:50,472
this Thursday to ensure that these two and all other remaining invoices that

603
00:41:50,512 --> 00:41:54,212
we have from earlier in the project are placed in the proper, I'm going to put

604
00:41:54,332 --> 00:41:57,852
buckets in air quote, the proper areas in the HUD

605
00:41:57,912 --> 00:42:01,732
website so that we can be properly reimbursed for them.

606
00:42:01,812 --> 00:42:05,252
Once submitted, that process has taken about three days for us to get our money,

607
00:42:05,292 --> 00:42:08,072
and it has been fairly seamless from this point.

608
00:42:08,712 --> 00:42:12,312
With the budget passed, the city is moving back into our normal operating tempo,

609
00:42:12,412 --> 00:42:15,172
and I expect this to be taken care of this week.

610
00:42:15,212 --> 00:42:18,192
The project has spent just over $2 million total,

611
00:42:19,152 --> 00:42:22,812
and the city has been reimbursed for all of that except just under

612
00:42:22,822 --> 00:42:26,551
$300,000. And again, I expect to have that back next week.

613
00:42:27,692 --> 00:42:30,272
And that includes the new invoices that we're holding right now.

614
00:42:33,312 --> 00:42:37,122
In regard to Soldiers Memorial Hall, we are still on schedule for returning to

615
00:42:37,132 --> 00:42:41,036
Soldiers Memorial Hall in December of 2027 I attended a meeting

616
00:42:41,056 --> 00:42:45,016
in ARCOV last week, and they have identified some engineering issues that

617
00:42:45,096 --> 00:42:48,276
I need to meet with the Franklin Opera House folks about, along with the ARCOV

618
00:42:48,396 --> 00:42:50,196
folks to give them full explanation,

619
00:42:51,156 --> 00:42:54,856
as the new budget does not allow us to totally rebuild the balcony the way we were

620
00:42:54,976 --> 00:42:58,536
originally going to. So there's going to be some limitation to the number of seats

621
00:42:58,556 --> 00:43:01,456
that we will be able to put up there, and we need to make sure we're all on the

622
00:43:01,516 --> 00:43:03,156
same page before we start that.

623
00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:13,256
Additionally, I have a draft RFP to hire a construction management company

624
00:43:13,296 --> 00:43:16,516
for the project. The RFP will go out shortly, and it will

625
00:43:16,556 --> 00:43:20,206
solicit multiple bids for

626
00:43:20,296 --> 00:43:23,836
construction management. These bids are going to be for total project

627
00:43:23,876 --> 00:43:27,776
completion, and the hope is to have a construction management team contract

628
00:43:27,816 --> 00:43:29,906
for the council consideration by next month.

629
00:43:30,646 --> 00:43:33,936
They will be the city's primary conduit for the entire project's

630
00:43:33,976 --> 00:43:37,716
completion. This process was recommended to me by the ARCOV folks

631
00:43:37,796 --> 00:43:41,636
over the old and the tried and true general contractor bid

632
00:43:42,136 --> 00:43:45,375
because it will actually give us more visibility on a regular basis with

633
00:43:45,396 --> 00:43:47,036
professionals driving the contract.

634
00:43:47,676 --> 00:43:51,536
It will not increase the cost, as most general contractors also now

635
00:43:51,576 --> 00:43:54,756
do construction management. It's simply a new process.

636
00:43:54,816 --> 00:43:58,676
They will owe us either a weekly or a monthly report that I'll be able to then

637
00:43:58,696 --> 00:44:02,516
pass on to this council and probably post publicly, as long as it

638
00:44:02,536 --> 00:44:06,216
doesn't have any type of proprietary information on it, so that the public will

639
00:44:06,236 --> 00:44:10,096
know exactly where we're going. In addition, I am working with,

640
00:44:10,776 --> 00:44:13,056
although I don't think he knows it yet, the fire marshal.

641
00:44:13,976 --> 00:44:17,796
I want to get Soldiers Memorial Hall open for one day before the construction

642
00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:21,706
crews actually get in there to allow the citizens of Franklin to walk through and

643
00:44:21,776 --> 00:44:25,616
see the shape it's in now. I challenge anyone who doesn't believe it needs a

644
00:44:25,656 --> 00:44:29,316
renovation to walk through that basement with me and then look me in the eye and

645
00:44:29,356 --> 00:44:33,096
honestly tell me it doesn't need to be renovated after you do that.

646
00:44:33,596 --> 00:44:37,126
Likewise, I will set up a day before we move back in next

647
00:44:37,196 --> 00:44:41,096
December, for people to come and see what your money has purchased

648
00:44:41,316 --> 00:44:44,536
prior to the city hall moving in and it actually becoming office spaces that we're

649
00:44:44,616 --> 00:44:45,776
using on a daily basis.

650
00:44:47,796 --> 00:44:49,895
Finally, tonight, I have a request.

651
00:44:50,576 --> 00:44:54,436
If you have not noticed, as it was mentioned tonight, the new website's up and

652
00:44:54,476 --> 00:44:57,816
running, and it's a very different look, and it works much better.

653
00:44:58,936 --> 00:45:02,656
There are still a few glitches, but there are far fewer glitches on the new website

654
00:45:02,696 --> 00:45:04,176
than there were on the old website.

655
00:45:05,296 --> 00:45:08,716
If you were signed up for the email alerts from the city, we need you to go back

656
00:45:08,736 --> 00:45:12,496
and please sign up again. When we switched from the old to the new, it

657
00:45:12,536 --> 00:45:14,476
basically dropped that entire system.

658
00:45:15,196 --> 00:45:18,816
When you go to the website, it should give you a pop-up page asking you to renew

659
00:45:18,836 --> 00:45:22,596
your subscriptions. If you do anything, that pop-up page just

660
00:45:22,696 --> 00:45:25,696
disappears and either goes down to the bottom of the stack of all your windows

661
00:45:25,776 --> 00:45:29,476
open. So if you don't click on it first, it kind of

662
00:45:29,496 --> 00:45:33,216
disappears. Brenda has put on the scrolling advertise,

663
00:45:33,536 --> 00:45:37,036
and so if you sit there long enough, a window will pop up that says, "Click here to

664
00:45:37,096 --> 00:45:39,696
renew your subscriptions." Please go there.

665
00:45:39,996 --> 00:45:42,356
That's step one of two that are required, however.

666
00:45:43,056 --> 00:45:46,796
After you put your email address in there, it's going to send you an email.

667
00:45:47,376 --> 00:45:50,996
It requires you to actually click the link on the email that you're sent,

668
00:45:51,556 --> 00:45:51,676
so

669
00:45:52,476 --> 00:45:56,316
you'll be accepted on the list. So it needs you to do the two-step process to get

670
00:45:56,416 --> 00:45:58,676
back on the list to be notified.

671
00:45:59,676 --> 00:46:03,136
And then you get Brenda's email every week telling you what's going on in the

672
00:46:03,176 --> 00:46:07,116
city, as well as all the other alerts that we push out for needed information.

673
00:46:07,756 --> 00:46:11,456
So please, go back on there. Check out the new website if you haven't yet.

674
00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:15,056
It's actually worth a few minutes of your time to take a look at the difference

675
00:46:15,096 --> 00:46:18,656
because it is really good compared to what we had before.

676
00:46:19,256 --> 00:46:21,796
I will echo the councilor's appreciation.

677
00:46:21,836 --> 00:46:25,185
Brenda has put a tremendous amount of work in it, and it is truly appreciated.

678
00:46:27,216 --> 00:46:27,946
And that's all I have.

679
00:46:31,076 --> 00:46:34,736
Thank you. Do any councilors have any questions for our city manager?

680
00:46:35,396 --> 00:46:36,216
Councilor Boyce.

681
00:46:37,016 --> 00:46:40,916
Thank you, Mayor. City manager, could you please elaborate on the new

682
00:46:41,176 --> 00:46:44,006
hours for the clerk's office, as there's a lot of chatter going around?

683
00:46:45,976 --> 00:46:49,736
So the clerks are still going to be open. The clerks are open 40 hours a week.

684
00:46:51,276 --> 00:46:52,976
If you looked at when they were open before,

685
00:46:54,316 --> 00:46:57,196
we talked about that a little bit in the budget hearing.

686
00:46:57,896 --> 00:46:58,036
The

687
00:46:59,096 --> 00:47:02,436
operating tempo to keep the old hours open actually

688
00:47:02,876 --> 00:47:06,836
required four people to do it, and they were never funded to have four people in

689
00:47:06,876 --> 00:47:07,416
that office.

690
00:47:08,436 --> 00:47:12,216
They were burning the clerks out. They were eating lunch at their desks

691
00:47:12,436 --> 00:47:15,936
and not getting paid for it. And they were taking

692
00:47:16,336 --> 00:47:20,156
shorter breaks than they should. They were often working before and after

693
00:47:20,516 --> 00:47:24,216
they were off the clock, and the city was not paying them overtime.

694
00:47:25,616 --> 00:47:27,376
So we've adjusted their hours.

695
00:47:28,456 --> 00:47:32,276
The actual hours that the office is open allow

696
00:47:32,336 --> 00:47:36,236
them to do the jobs they need to do in addition to

697
00:47:36,276 --> 00:47:37,896
being able to answer that window.

698
00:47:38,916 --> 00:47:42,416
And there are substantial jobs they do, especially this time of year with

699
00:47:42,476 --> 00:47:42,816
elections.

700
00:47:44,256 --> 00:47:46,396
So, does that answer your question, sir?

701
00:47:48,356 --> 00:47:49,136
Councilor Boyce?

702
00:47:50,126 --> 00:47:53,356
It wasn't me. I was just addressing the public why it was done.

703
00:47:53,616 --> 00:47:54,496
Thank you, appreciate it.

704
00:47:57,736 --> 00:47:58,426
I have a question.

705
00:47:59,596 --> 00:48:00,636
Councilor Jacobson.

706
00:48:02,016 --> 00:48:05,036
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. City manager, for the

707
00:48:05,656 --> 00:48:09,376
new engineering that you're talking about in Soldiers Memorial Hall, is

708
00:48:09,456 --> 00:48:12,836
the reduction in seats, is that on top of the

709
00:48:15,416 --> 00:48:19,236
presentation you gave earlier this year that reduced a few number of seats and

710
00:48:19,496 --> 00:48:21,656
changed the layout of the plan?

711
00:48:24,116 --> 00:48:24,756
City manager.

712
00:48:25,076 --> 00:48:28,436
So it is part of that plan. I don't have the exact number of seats.

713
00:48:28,516 --> 00:48:32,426
That's one of the things I need to sit down with the ARCOV engineers and the Opera

714
00:48:32,456 --> 00:48:35,526
House so we can get that exact number.

715
00:48:36,036 --> 00:48:37,956
But it is part of the plan I presented earlier.

716
00:48:41,296 --> 00:48:41,536
Thank you.

717
00:48:42,956 --> 00:48:43,936
Any other councilors

718
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,240
If not, we'll move on to the school board update.

719
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,460
Okay. Good evening, everyone.

720
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:38,160
I want to start out with our staff return last week,

721
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,840
last Wednesday, from their summer break, and I want to thank Mayor Moral

722
00:49:43,660 --> 00:49:46,120
for coming to our opening day breakfast, and welcome.

723
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:49,660
We had a great morning at Franklin High School.

724
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,840
I appreciate, Glenn, your kind words to the staff,

725
00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:57,980
and your welcome back address. I also want to thank Fire Chief Mike Foss for

726
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,480
attending and addressing the staff as well.

727
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,060
It's a nice tradition we have every year, and I'm very grateful for the

728
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,020
mayor and fire chief for attending.

729
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,300
Today was our opening day of school.

730
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,020
We welcome back our students today at all three schools.

731
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,020
It's great to see the smiling faces return and bring the schools back to life.

732
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,740
I'm pleased to share that Ms. Judy Tibbetts, our family and consumer

733
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,440
science teacher,

734
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,200
started her 57th year of teaching today.

735
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,320
WMUR caught word of this somehow on, guessing, on Facebook.

736
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:41,640
I think they hit Facebook. They will actually be joining us tomorrow at the high

737
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,340
school to do a nice story on her, which I think will be great for Franklin as well.

738
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:45,580
So,

739
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,560
be sure to be on the lookout for that.

740
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,500
Fiscal year '26 budget update. We're getting close to closing the

741
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,200
books for the fiscal year '26. Jefferson anticipates having

742
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,900
final fund balance information in the next couple of weeks, and I'm sure I'll have

743
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:04,180
that for you at our next city council meeting together.

744
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,440
As a reminder, we budgeted for FY27

745
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:12,180
$150,000 in revenues from the fund balance.

746
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,920
So that is our target number that we're hoping to hit.

747
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,480
And like I said, as soon as we know that number, we will make sure we get that to

748
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:19,740
you.

749
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:24,600
And if there are no questions, I'll turn it over to Liz.

750
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,160
Thank you. So,

751
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:37,140
I want to talk briefly about a public policy hearing that we will be

752
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,940
having on Tuesday, September 22nd, at

753
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:44,800
6:00 PM at the district office. There will be

754
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:48,580
a public hearing on policy JICK,

755
00:51:49,340 --> 00:51:53,320
which is entitled Bullying Prevention, Pupil Safety, and Violence Prevention.

756
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:57,860
This is mainly because of the passing of House Bill 131,

757
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:02,150
which comes with the part, and I quote, "With the intent of

758
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:06,150
recommending changes to the policy while retaining those portions that

759
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,700
are required by the statute."

760
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,140
So essentially, we're doing this because the House

761
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:16,040
bill updated an RSA, and because of that, the

762
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:19,720
policy was impacted, and so it's being recommended that we

763
00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:21,590
bring this to a public hearing.

764
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,720
The goal is to hear from pupils, parents,

765
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:29,750
administrators, school staff, school volunteers, community representatives,

766
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:33,640
and local law enforcement agencies at this hearing, specifically

767
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,320
regarding feedback for the policy.

768
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,040
So the policy is linked in the

769
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,500
digital version of these notes, which will be provided to Brenda,

770
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,900
and also it is right on the SAU website.

771
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:51,320
There's a link to policies, and it is against policy

772
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:55,209
JICK. And so we encourage people to-- We will be collecting

773
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:58,280
feedback in the meantime, but the public hearing is a great place for people to

774
00:52:58,340 --> 00:52:59,800
come and voice

775
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,739
any thoughts they have about possibly improving the policy, which we,

776
00:53:04,780 --> 00:53:08,640
the policy committee, will then be meeting and working on with the

777
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:12,120
goal of having everything amended and passed for January.

778
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,920
And finally, want to pass along a quick legislative update.

779
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:21,080
There are two that I believe everybody in the city should be

780
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,980
aware of in particular.

781
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,300
So to summarize, approximately 60 bills regarding education

782
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,660
became law this past legislative session.

783
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:35,420
As it does every year, the NHSBA has created a document that tracks

784
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,440
all of these, as well as their real and possible

785
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,520
policy and district implications.

786
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,900
It's also conducting a webinar on Wednesday to review key bills and themes.

787
00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:50,200
No small feat. So two that I would like to call attention to.

788
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,020
One of the most important for Franklin is HB 1817,

789
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,550
which is entitled Relative to Access to Curricular Courses and

790
00:53:58,660 --> 00:54:01,100
Co-Curricular Programs Within School Districts.

791
00:54:03,260 --> 00:54:04,260
No, honey.

792
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Yeah, okay. That is right. Okay.

793
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:11,480
So, this one states that the school board must amend the local

794
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:15,160
policies allowing resident EFA/voucher

795
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:18,660
students to attend or participate in school district

796
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:22,740
curricular programs and extracurricular activities

797
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:25,400
at no cost to the student/parent.

798
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,330
So prior to HB 1817, school districts were allowed to

799
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,580
charge or assess fees on such students.

800
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:36,600
So what this essentially means is that,

801
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:41,120
students who are taking advantage of the vouchers offered by the state, they're

802
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:44,920
getting between $4,600 and $4,900 to go

803
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,980
to private or other institutions.

804
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:52,200
They are now also allowed to come back to

805
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,316
Franklin Public Schools and Participate in

806
00:54:56,376 --> 00:54:59,976
courses and extracurricular activities for free.

807
00:55:00,336 --> 00:55:04,006
So whereas before we could recoup some of that money that we're not getting

808
00:55:04,236 --> 00:55:06,256
from the state by charging a fee,

809
00:55:07,476 --> 00:55:08,816
we now will not be able to do that.

810
00:55:09,696 --> 00:55:13,616
So just a note from the NHSBA is that the fiscal impact of this bill

811
00:55:13,716 --> 00:55:17,396
is indeterminable, as it may result in significant costs at the

812
00:55:17,456 --> 00:55:21,236
local or state level, depending on how many students take advantage of the

813
00:55:21,276 --> 00:55:22,336
expanded access.

814
00:55:23,576 --> 00:55:24,036
So that's one.

815
00:55:25,146 --> 00:55:28,816
The other one is HB1300,

816
00:55:29,716 --> 00:55:33,076
and this one is entitled, "Establishing a school district tax cap

817
00:55:33,216 --> 00:55:36,816
question for the state general elections of 2026 and

818
00:55:36,976 --> 00:55:40,796
2028 and related limitations on central office administrative

819
00:55:40,856 --> 00:55:43,936
expenses in school districts." Such a concise title.

820
00:55:45,076 --> 00:55:48,696
So some of the wording, to summarize this, is that every school district

821
00:55:48,916 --> 00:55:52,476
must have a combined tax cap and SAU budget limitation

822
00:55:52,616 --> 00:55:56,556
question placed on the November 2026 ballot by operation

823
00:55:56,616 --> 00:56:00,476
of law. So that needs to happen. That will be happening.

824
00:56:02,436 --> 00:56:06,056
Lot of questions around this one. So currently, there is little to no

825
00:56:06,096 --> 00:56:09,956
guidance yet on how this would interact with things like existing tax

826
00:56:10,016 --> 00:56:13,906
caps or charters. The current information

827
00:56:13,936 --> 00:56:17,616
that we have is that NHSBA and its member school boards are awaiting

828
00:56:17,756 --> 00:56:21,336
technical guidance from the NHDOE, the Attorney General's

829
00:56:21,456 --> 00:56:25,016
office, and the NH Department, the DRA, the Toronto Revenue

830
00:56:25,076 --> 00:56:28,956
Administration. NHSBA will update its members accordingly

831
00:56:29,016 --> 00:56:31,476
when such technical guidance becomes available.

832
00:56:33,096 --> 00:56:36,676
So this bill's interesting. So it's voted on.

833
00:56:36,716 --> 00:56:39,656
It's on the ballot in 2026 and 2028. That's going to happen.

834
00:56:40,056 --> 00:56:44,036
It also includes a sunset provision that will cause the tax cap regulations to

835
00:56:44,076 --> 00:56:46,796
expire on January 1st, 2032,

836
00:56:47,616 --> 00:56:51,296
and it allows taxpayers to enforce compliance with that in Superior

837
00:56:51,336 --> 00:56:51,616
Court.

838
00:56:52,476 --> 00:56:56,016
It also grants the DRA rulemaking authority for implementing these

839
00:56:56,036 --> 00:56:59,856
provisions and requires updates to its reporting systems with an

840
00:56:59,916 --> 00:57:03,805
estimated cost of $100,000, and it does not state where that money will come

841
00:57:03,816 --> 00:57:04,256
from either.

842
00:57:06,136 --> 00:57:09,886
So to summarize, this feels a little-- It's a premature

843
00:57:09,956 --> 00:57:13,696
action being taken without an understanding of ramifications to districts and

844
00:57:13,736 --> 00:57:17,556
municipalities. So that will be on there in November, and we don't know

845
00:57:17,596 --> 00:57:18,376
anything about it.

846
00:57:21,276 --> 00:57:21,956
City manager.

847
00:57:22,816 --> 00:57:24,996
So just as an administrative concern,

848
00:57:26,076 --> 00:57:29,155
I know that we have to submit draft ballots for printing

849
00:57:29,976 --> 00:57:32,516
very quickly for the November election.

850
00:57:32,916 --> 00:57:35,076
We've already submitted them for the October election.

851
00:57:36,736 --> 00:57:38,916
Has there been any consideration for that deadline?

852
00:57:39,096 --> 00:57:40,756
I'm guessing the answer's no, but...

853
00:57:41,836 --> 00:57:43,076
It should be coming from the state.

854
00:57:43,196 --> 00:57:46,596
It's a state-- It was HB 1300, so it should be coming from the state.

855
00:57:47,656 --> 00:57:51,576
We don't have anything. So hopefully for sure, but it does sound

856
00:57:51,596 --> 00:57:52,436
like it might not.

857
00:57:53,016 --> 00:57:54,435
We've talked about hope a lot tonight.

858
00:57:56,156 --> 00:57:57,296
Yeah, that's the thing that floats, right?

859
00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:03,096
Do any of the councilors have... Councilor Priebe.

860
00:58:04,376 --> 00:58:07,696
Thank you both for coming up here. Takes a lot of courage to get up here.

861
00:58:08,896 --> 00:58:12,396
And I want to thank you for this. Makes it easier for me to follow what you guys

862
00:58:12,416 --> 00:58:14,196
are trying to do. When you were

863
00:58:15,516 --> 00:58:16,756
chairman of the school board,

864
00:58:18,036 --> 00:58:19,756
when you were saying about

865
00:58:21,276 --> 00:58:24,596
the vouchers, I was confused, and it's a sign of old

866
00:58:24,676 --> 00:58:25,576
age.

867
00:58:28,636 --> 00:58:30,296
The vouchers for the

868
00:58:31,136 --> 00:58:34,336
child, the money has always followed the child, so they can go where they were or

869
00:58:34,376 --> 00:58:38,136
the parents want them to go. But now they can come back into

870
00:58:38,216 --> 00:58:41,076
our programs where we can't revenue.

871
00:58:42,496 --> 00:58:45,676
Give me an idea of what course would be affected by it.

872
00:58:45,756 --> 00:58:49,616
You must have something in your records as these children

873
00:58:49,676 --> 00:58:53,546
come back into our school system, and what particular course did

874
00:58:53,576 --> 00:58:57,356
they take so that we're not making-- Because we used to charge for that, if I

875
00:58:57,396 --> 00:58:59,936
understood you correctly. So-

876
00:58:59,976 --> 00:59:00,276
Yeah

877
00:59:00,286 --> 00:59:01,416
... what course would that be?

878
00:59:03,616 --> 00:59:07,476
So just as an example, Councilor Priebe, we have a few

879
00:59:07,496 --> 00:59:11,196
students that come in, and let's say they take a drama class at the high school.

880
00:59:11,715 --> 00:59:15,436
It used to be if they had an EFA, that we could then charge them

881
00:59:15,796 --> 00:59:19,316
and take some of that EFA money into the district because they're coming into our

882
00:59:19,356 --> 00:59:23,296
school to take a class. Right now, they can take EFA

883
00:59:23,356 --> 00:59:26,746
money and pay to go elsewhere, but they can come back into the Franklin schools and

884
00:59:26,816 --> 00:59:30,376
take that drama class for free, and we don't get any

885
00:59:30,616 --> 00:59:34,516
adequacy money or any money. Franklin gets no money for those students to

886
00:59:34,536 --> 00:59:38,196
come in to take those classes at the high school or any school for that matter.

887
00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:43,216
Okay.

888
00:59:44,456 --> 00:59:46,496
Any other councilors that have questions?

889
00:59:48,896 --> 00:59:51,116
Thank you very much for coming forward.

890
00:59:51,836 --> 00:59:55,456
If I could just add real quick, Councilor Warner, do we know if September

891
00:59:55,516 --> 00:59:58,256
16th is a definite on joint finance?

892
00:59:59,136 --> 01:00:02,436
Our side is all good to go. I can confirm that.

893
01:00:02,896 --> 01:00:04,356
You apparently didn't get my email.

894
01:00:06,876 --> 01:00:07,556
I'm sure I didn't.

895
01:00:07,636 --> 01:00:07,996
Yeah. I

896
01:00:08,816 --> 01:00:12,376
was going to try to pull you aside tonight, but now I'll just take this opportunity

897
01:00:12,396 --> 01:00:15,696
to say yes, I have confirmed the availability of everyone.

898
01:00:15,756 --> 01:00:17,956
Okay. I'll let our side know too. Great.

899
01:00:18,336 --> 01:00:18,516
So

900
01:00:19,336 --> 01:00:21,456
we're go. All have been reserved,

901
01:00:23,036 --> 01:00:26,326
meant to attend. I was just wondering what your side was.

902
01:00:26,676 --> 01:00:30,436
Yeah. We're good. As long as it's at 6:00, we're good to go.

903
01:00:30,576 --> 01:00:31,576
Six o'clock is the time.

904
01:00:31,876 --> 01:00:33,136
All right. Fantastic. Thank you.

905
01:00:44,456 --> 01:00:48,136
We will now move on to agenda item number one,

906
01:00:48,976 --> 01:00:52,476
council to approve the minutes for August 3rd, August

907
01:00:52,516 --> 01:00:56,056
11th, and August 14th, 2026

908
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:00,460
Councilor Carrier.

909
01:01:01,940 --> 01:01:05,340
Thank you. I move to approve the minutes from the August 3rd, August

910
01:01:05,420 --> 01:01:08,540
11th and August 14th, 2026 meetings.

911
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:10,780
Second.

912
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,360
A motion has been made and seconded. Is there any discussion?

913
01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:19,020
Councilor Previ.

914
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:22,820
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Is there a chance that I can get a printed version of those

915
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:23,360
minutes?

916
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:24,060
Sure.

917
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,040
Because they aren't in this packet, so just submit it to me on the Outlook page

918
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:32,220
if the emails are working. And that way, I can print them out and

919
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,420
put them in my copy okay.

920
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,520
Any other discussion on the minutes?

921
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,480
If not, I will take a roll call vote.

922
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,300
Councilor Johnston.

923
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:53,480
Yes.

924
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:56,120
Councilor Jacobson.

925
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:57,440
Yes.

926
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:00,400
Councilor Previ.

927
01:02:01,380 --> 01:02:01,640
Yes.

928
01:02:03,140 --> 01:02:03,960
Councilor Forge.

929
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,200
Yes.

930
01:02:06,980 --> 01:02:07,780
Councilor Warner.

931
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:08,460
Yes.

932
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:11,300
Councilor Hallett Cook.

933
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Yes.

934
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:16,180
Councilor Carrier.

935
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:17,240
Yes.

936
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,240
Councilor Boyce.

937
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:20,880
Yes.

938
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:27,020
The motion passes with eight votes.

939
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:34,280
We will now move on to

940
01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:37,340
agenda number two.

941
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,620
Memorandum of Understanding with the Franklin Outing Club

942
01:02:45,820 --> 01:02:49,410
Inc., for operation of the Veterans Memorial

943
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,720
Recreation Area.

944
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:52,700
Councilor Carrier.

945
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:57,710
Thank you. I move that the City Council approve the memorandum of

946
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,340
understanding between the City of Franklin and the Franklin Outing Club Inc.,

947
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,380
for operation of the Veterans Memorial Recreation Area, and

948
01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:08,040
authorize the city manager to execute the agreement.

949
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:09,299
Second.

950
01:03:10,579 --> 01:03:13,920
A motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

951
01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:17,279
Councilor Warner.

952
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,300
Yes, I want to get this done myself.

953
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:23,700
I was wondering, can we get the

954
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,120
dates on item number two

955
01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:28,960
on or before

956
01:03:29,820 --> 01:03:30,960
blank date blank?

957
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:36,540
And then further down under that, I wanted to know, do we

958
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:37,620
have a completion date

959
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,330
for their master plan? You cannot implement a master plan if you don't

960
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:43,300
have a master plan.

961
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,100
Also, I want to make sure that we're completing annual financial

962
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:52,620
reporting for RSA 72, colon 23,

963
01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:54,480
paragraph six.

964
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:57,960
I don't see where that's totally covered in here.

965
01:03:58,260 --> 01:03:58,940
It may be

966
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:01,040
you could say it was part of,

967
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:02,500
oh,

968
01:04:05,820 --> 01:04:06,420
3C

969
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,619
or something like that, but it's not explicit.

970
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,080
And I'm not going to go so far as to read

971
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:17,120
RSA in facility two. It's there.

972
01:04:18,620 --> 01:04:18,860
But I

973
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:20,100
would be

974
01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:24,400
totally agreeable to

975
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,180
voting to accept this agreement tonight if we had

976
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:33,100
some of the blanks and questions filled in.

977
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,220
Councilor Johnston.

978
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,600
So looking at this, I know I had brought up before at the

979
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,060
last meeting about the outing club, as far as us paying, the city paying for the

980
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:48,620
insurance.

981
01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:53,140
I do see now that the insurance is going to be split 50/50.

982
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,340
I'm okay with that to begin with.

983
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:56,840
But

984
01:04:57,660 --> 01:04:58,800
in the terms,

985
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:04,480
section 3B says, "The

986
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,400
club shall have the right to make reasonable charges for the use of the facility it

987
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:12,880
has developed and further develops and maintains in the area.

988
01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:17,460
The process for establishing the charge amounts and when they will be

989
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:21,200
applied shall include the city manager." I would like to

990
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,640
include and City Council.

991
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,170
City Council

992
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:28,850
decides on all fees and all charges every year in the

993
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,120
budget process, and this should not be any different.

994
01:05:33,740 --> 01:05:36,320
Other than that, I don't have an issue with it.

995
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:38,320
City manager.

996
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,780
So my recommendation would be that shall include the city

997
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:46,740
manager with City Council approval, because I don't think the

998
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:49,680
council wants to be part of the negotiations and process.

999
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:52,480
I think you guys would just want to slap the table at the end.

1000
01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:54,980
Correct, sir. With City Council approval.

1001
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:03,630
Any other discussion?

1002
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:10,880
City manager.

1003
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:15,000
So Councilor Warner, I know you didn't want to read all of RSA

1004
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:19,160
72. Was there some specific language of RSA 72 you wanted

1005
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:20,760
included in paragraph,

1006
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:23,620
3C?

1007
01:06:26,980 --> 01:06:30,960
Annually towards the end, post file with the municipality in which the

1008
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,660
property is located, upon a form prescribed and

1009
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:38,300
provided by the Board of Tax and Land Appeals, a statement of financial condition

1010
01:06:38,340 --> 01:06:42,320
for the preceding year and other such information as may be necessary

1011
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,800
to establish its status and eligibility for tax exemption.

1012
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,760
And there's more to that, but I think that would

1013
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:51,779
cover it.

1014
01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:52,580
City manager.

1015
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:56,980
So would it be satisfactory then, if we were to say that the club shall

1016
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,860
keep adequate bookkeeping records in accordance with RSA 72

1017
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,020
or with state RSAs?

1018
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,300
State RSAs

1019
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,020
Our state RSA 72,

1020
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,140
colon 23-Roman

1021
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numeral six.

1022
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,060
I have a comment.

1023
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,940
Councilor Jacobson.

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01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:29,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1025
01:07:31,180 --> 01:07:32,810
Councilor Warner, I think what you're suggesting

1026
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:36,840
makes sense. I'm hesitant to

1027
01:07:38,539 --> 01:07:40,920
be that specific on the reference in

1028
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,180
here.

1029
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:49,560
Would you be more comfortable with just state RSAs rather than

1030
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:50,980
the specific reference,

1031
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:55,660
in case those RSAs change, that we need to come back, and

1032
01:07:56,940 --> 01:08:00,480
it could conceivably create a headache without much improvement

1033
01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:02,800
or change in reporting.

1034
01:08:06,460 --> 01:08:09,980
I think that would lack a certain specificity that I would like to see.

1035
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:12,560
Of course, there are nine of us. We all have a vote.

1036
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:22,700
Councilor Forge.

1037
01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:25,300
I agree with

1038
01:08:26,980 --> 01:08:30,221
Councilor Jacobson. And reason being, this is

1039
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,101
a 21-year

1040
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,880
agreement. There's a lot of time in between now and 21

1041
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,141
years from now for those RSAs to change.

1042
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:42,040
I think we can maintain the integrity of that

1043
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:43,940
wording with

1044
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:48,721
something more general, like in accordance with state RSAs in

1045
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:49,460
that section.

1046
01:08:57,021 --> 01:08:58,021
Councilor Hallett Cook.

1047
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,721
Would it suffice to say all applicable RSAs?

1048
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,840
Instead of being-

1049
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:14,280
Instead of being specific to an exact, or even just the

1050
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:17,320
number and not going down to the colon,

1051
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,300
because those things can change.

1052
01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:24,320
Councilor Warner.

1053
01:09:26,681 --> 01:09:30,360
I think it would be acceptable to just designate that or be

1054
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,641
specific about RSA 72I.

1055
01:09:40,681 --> 01:09:41,660
Councilor Carrier.

1056
01:09:42,681 --> 01:09:43,061
Thank you.

1057
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,440
What we have before us here tonight is a really abbreviated version

1058
01:09:47,561 --> 01:09:49,580
of what we had last month.

1059
01:09:50,540 --> 01:09:51,240
Part of

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01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:56,260
the overall agreement is that the club will also provide financial

1061
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:56,820
reports,

1062
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,400
statements of good standing with the state, statements about

1063
01:10:01,420 --> 01:10:05,300
their status as a nonprofit. And I believe all those other things

1064
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:08,840
combined should cover the concerns that are

1065
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,860
being addressed within this specific request.

1066
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:17,400
Councilor Warner.

1067
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:21,580
I went through the 68 pages in last month's packet,

1068
01:10:22,820 --> 01:10:26,050
and this is what stands out to me as not

1069
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,800
being in the packet.

1070
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:29,300
So

1071
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,000
I'm just asking for this one simple addition.

1072
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:41,260
City manager.

1073
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:46,760
So with the council's indulgence, I would actually ask if we can have the president

1074
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,300
of the outing club come forward.

1075
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:53,600
We would need amendments from the council

1076
01:10:54,580 --> 01:10:58,380
to put that wording in. But I would also like to ask him what the

1077
01:10:58,420 --> 01:11:02,020
dates are on their operating plan, because I thought we did have that filled in.

1078
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,840
As for the agreement, the date of the agreement is left blank

1079
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:10,240
because until this council says I can sign it, it was kind of pointless to put

1080
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,840
dates in, but it will most likely be

1081
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,960
if you slap the table tonight, tomorrow, or whenever I can arrange

1082
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:20,620
both of us to be sitting at the table to sign it.

1083
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:22,140
However, I don't

1084
01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:25,280
know when they do their annual operating plan.

1085
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,220
So with the council's indulgence, I would invite him forward to answer

1086
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:33,060
that question and to see whether or not he can accept the

1087
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:37,080
changes the council is proposing tonight or if it will require him to go back

1088
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:41,139
to the outing club's board in order to make those changes.

1089
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,040
President Morrill, could you please come forward?

1090
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,500
There we go. Thank you for having me up.

1091
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,400
What questions can I answer?

1092
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:03,960
City manager.

1093
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:08,020
So the first one is on section two, on or before which

1094
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:12,240
day, and then it would be 2020, I'm assuming either

1095
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,120
2026 or 2027, is it that

1096
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:17,040
the club

1097
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:20,420
actually publishes its annual operating plan?

1098
01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:25,860
So I believe that will be in June, as our physical

1099
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,300
year ends, starts in June. So it'll be June.

1100
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:34,100
City manager.

1101
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:37,440
So I believe, was the 2026 one provided?

1102
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,860
It was in last month's packet, I thought, or there was one there, or an example of

1103
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:41,260
one.

1104
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:45,880
Is this year's complete then? Or would

1105
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,380
2025s that was complete and you're currently working on 2026s that will be

1106
01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:51,140
complete next year?

1107
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,240
Well, the one that we

1108
01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:58,040
gave was kind of a template to make sure that's what you guys

1109
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:01,450
wanted in the next year. That's the information you will get in June.

1110
01:13:05,460 --> 01:13:09,380
City manager. So on or before the 1st day of June or the last

1111
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:09,840
day of June?

1112
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,260
The first day sounds good

1113
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:22,450
City manager.

1114
01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:24,010
And then the additional question,

1115
01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:28,670
if this council does make the amendments proposed, there are two of them

1116
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:31,650
that we're discussing but are not on the table yet.

1117
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:36,250
Would you be able to accept for the club, or would it have to go back to the club

1118
01:13:36,330 --> 01:13:40,310
for their approval? I know I had your and the club's approval on the printed

1119
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,940
document I have. How would amendments work by your bylaws?

1120
01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:51,350
I'm not quite sure. I think I have due diligence within

1121
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:53,060
reason to say yes.

1122
01:13:54,490 --> 01:13:57,750
But I guess it depends what it is. I think the first one

1123
01:13:58,190 --> 01:13:59,190
was, can you-

1124
01:13:59,870 --> 01:14:03,410
So the first one was to add city council approval on any fees

1125
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:06,490
that the club would be charging.

1126
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:11,110
So the negotiations on when and when they would be established would be worked out

1127
01:14:11,170 --> 01:14:15,010
between the club and the city manager. The city council would have final approval.

1128
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:18,010
And what are those fees considered?

1129
01:14:18,150 --> 01:14:20,310
Just like our lift tickets or our-

1130
01:14:20,509 --> 01:14:20,670
So-

1131
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:23,090
... concession? What does that mean?

1132
01:14:23,170 --> 01:14:26,210
It would essentially, the way I read this, it's fairly broad.

1133
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:28,790
It would be essentially any fees you charged,

1134
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:33,170
the council would have the authority to approve or disapprove.

1135
01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:37,690
But I'm assuming if you come to this board with a reasonable reason for why you

1136
01:14:37,730 --> 01:14:40,010
wanted to change them, they would accept that.

1137
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:44,790
So from my clarification, every time we change our

1138
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:49,130
food, which happens often because food costs go up, we'd have to

1139
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:49,850
come to council?

1140
01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:55,130
Councilor Johnston.

1141
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:59,870
Well, in your memorandum of agreement, right, it says in

1142
01:15:00,030 --> 01:15:03,890
turn, section 3B, it says, "The club shall have the

1143
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:07,850
right to make reasonable changes for the charges for

1144
01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:11,830
the use of the facility it has developed and further develops and maintains

1145
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:15,110
in the area. The process for

1146
01:15:15,230 --> 01:15:19,150
establishing charge amounts and when they

1147
01:15:19,190 --> 01:15:22,430
will be applied." So to me that means

1148
01:15:22,530 --> 01:15:25,910
like if somebody wants to come and have a birthday party up at the rec

1149
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:29,050
or at the vets, and

1150
01:15:30,570 --> 01:15:32,750
you decide, "Okay, you can have a birthday party.

1151
01:15:32,770 --> 01:15:34,770
We're going to charge you $100." Well, that would

1152
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:38,750
be a discussion between you guys

1153
01:15:39,210 --> 01:15:41,750
and the city manager with the city council's approval.

1154
01:15:42,690 --> 01:15:43,590
I'm not looking at

1155
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:48,210
how much you charge in alcohol or how much you charge for food. That's up to you.

1156
01:15:49,730 --> 01:15:53,650
But when you're talking about adding other charges

1157
01:15:53,770 --> 01:15:54,550
on top of stuff,

1158
01:15:57,310 --> 01:15:58,910
like

1159
01:16:00,650 --> 01:16:04,470
renting. Renting the building, renting the ground, or anything like that.

1160
01:16:04,650 --> 01:16:08,230
It's still city property, so it should go to the city manager to run the city

1161
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:11,630
council's approval. Just like any other fees at the rec department,

1162
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:16,310
or trash, anything else that goes through the city and we have fees,

1163
01:16:17,050 --> 01:16:20,570
it's negotiated with the city manager, and it comes to the city council every year

1164
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:24,430
for approval. And I don't see why the Franklin Outing Club

1165
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:26,120
and the memorandum of agreement should be any different.

1166
01:16:29,730 --> 01:16:30,550
City manager.

1167
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:32,090
So I would suggest

1168
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:36,910
two amendments then. The first one being with the city council approval

1169
01:16:36,990 --> 01:16:40,910
for that, and those, in my opinion, should be fees.

1170
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:43,510
If the club is going to allow things like that to happen,

1171
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:46,430
that schedule should be set in advance,

1172
01:16:47,410 --> 01:16:48,910
and it should be a predetermined amount.

1173
01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:51,730
It shouldn't vary for each event that happens.

1174
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:56,730
And then an additional amendment to D that says, "The

1175
01:16:56,790 --> 01:17:00,610
club shall have the right to operate concessions for the sale of food and

1176
01:17:00,670 --> 01:17:04,390
alcohol, including individual prices of these items

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01:17:04,650 --> 01:17:08,510
on premises." And that way, that clarifies for

1178
01:17:08,570 --> 01:17:12,550
future councils that you guys have the right to set your prices for individual

1179
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:13,230
concessions.

1180
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:18,370
But for rental of the property or large things, lift tickets, any major

1181
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:21,910
changes to fees collected in the area for use of the

1182
01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:22,630
facilities,

1183
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:26,650
would have to come before the council before you could change or set them.

1184
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:30,530
So events. Does that-

1185
01:17:30,690 --> 01:17:33,450
And I just--

1186
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:36,190
Are, can we speak as board members?

1187
01:17:37,289 --> 01:17:38,250
So just, any?

1188
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:40,170
I mean,

1189
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:41,750
your

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01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:45,250
president's up here right now. Your president-

1191
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:46,020
Excuse me.

1192
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:46,410
Excuse me, sir.

1193
01:17:47,530 --> 01:17:48,950
The president is up here right now.

1194
01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:52,950
If he wants you to come up and speak, he can, sir. That's all I'm saying.

1195
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:54,410
So don't get mad at me for

1196
01:17:55,330 --> 01:17:56,250
answering your question.

1197
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:59,330
City manager.

1198
01:18:00,670 --> 01:18:02,790
I actually was just going to echo that, that if

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01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:06,290
President Morrill would like them to come up and add,

1200
01:18:07,090 --> 01:18:08,050
phone a friend is allowed.

1201
01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:12,430
All right. I'm Tom Hombart. I'm the secretary-

1202
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:16,250
Sir. Yeah. Can I have you wait till the microphone so the folks online can hear?

1203
01:18:17,070 --> 01:18:17,870
Okay. I'm Tom Hombart-

1204
01:18:18,350 --> 01:18:20,470
Put your own. Thank you.

1205
01:18:20,490 --> 01:18:23,510
All right. I'm Tom Hombart. I'm the secretary for the board.

1206
01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:28,310
I just want to make it clear that you review those budget

1207
01:18:28,350 --> 01:18:30,750
items because that's part of the budget of the city.

1208
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:34,030
We're a nonprofit, and we have to work our own

1209
01:18:35,450 --> 01:18:39,290
bottom line that works for us. I mean, we change prices for

1210
01:18:40,410 --> 01:18:42,830
ski lessons, snowboard lessons,

1211
01:18:43,650 --> 01:18:47,530
tickets. I mean, to come back to the city, we're talking about trying

1212
01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:51,430
to have a long-term agreement. I think you're setting yourselves up for

1213
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:55,410
more work than you want to do, and it's basically going to mean we can't

1214
01:18:55,450 --> 01:18:58,690
really function effectively if we have to come back every time

1215
01:18:59,230 --> 01:19:00,170
something's different.

1216
01:19:01,270 --> 01:19:04,870
I don't think you're going to want the Opera House coming in every time they change

1217
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:08,790
an amount for a show. So I just

1218
01:19:09,670 --> 01:19:13,470
want it to be something that we can actually work with because if we have to come

1219
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:16,929
back all the time, it's more than we can do. Honestly.

1220
01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:18,830
That's all I wanted to say.

1221
01:19:23,010 --> 01:19:23,750
Councilor Boyce.

1222
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:25,930
Thank you.

1223
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:29,090
I've got a couple of questions regarding

1224
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:34,190
having the outing club come back to the city manager and then

1225
01:19:34,210 --> 01:19:35,870
being proposed in front of the city council.

1226
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:39,610
What happens if a resident is two weeks

1227
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:41,510
schedules...

1228
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:43,510
Sorry, is that better?

1229
01:19:44,530 --> 01:19:48,250
What happens if we got a resident that wants to rent property in two

1230
01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:48,910
weeks and

1231
01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:52,130
our council meeting has already gone by?

1232
01:19:53,650 --> 01:19:56,070
We've got to figure something out that works for both.

1233
01:19:59,470 --> 01:20:00,370
Councilor Johnston.

1234
01:20:02,190 --> 01:20:05,700
So, they should have set fees for a

1235
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:09,590
specific thing. Like if somebody wants to rent the hall for a couple of

1236
01:20:09,610 --> 01:20:10,970
hours, they should have a set fee.

1237
01:20:11,450 --> 01:20:11,830
Mm-hmm.

1238
01:20:11,870 --> 01:20:14,210
And those fees should be good for at least a year.

1239
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:17,120
That way, people aren't guessing, "Well, how much am I going to have to pay this

1240
01:20:17,170 --> 01:20:18,750
month?" Or, "How much am I going to have to pay this week?"

1241
01:20:23,210 --> 01:20:24,770
Councilor Boyce.

1242
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:25,870
Thank you, Councilor Johnston.

1243
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:29,050
Is that the plan, to have a set fee

1244
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:33,250
when you rent the property?

1245
01:20:35,230 --> 01:20:37,270
We have not been renting the property.

1246
01:20:37,330 --> 01:20:40,430
I believe in the agreement we cannot

1247
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:41,410
sublet.

1248
01:20:44,710 --> 01:20:48,540
So how we operate is we do events, and we operate the

1249
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:52,530
ski area, and we do fundraisers. And that's how we keep

1250
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:55,290
funding the ski area.

1251
01:20:56,590 --> 01:20:57,330
Councilor Boyce.

1252
01:20:57,910 --> 01:21:01,750
So this is kind of you if he's not renting the property.

1253
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:08,030
City manager.

1254
01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:08,870
So,

1255
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:15,410
section 3B

1256
01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:20,650
was put in there for largely things like lift tickets.

1257
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:23,330
If that charge were to be changed or added,

1258
01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:28,550
and major things that they are doing now, I didn't

1259
01:21:28,590 --> 01:21:32,410
foresee other additional stuff. If there is additional

1260
01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:34,710
things that come up, we can bring that in front of the council.

1261
01:21:36,210 --> 01:21:39,630
I was not aware that things like ski lessons changed.

1262
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:39,890
I

1263
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:44,670
guess I was under the assumption, bad word, assume, that you set

1264
01:21:44,690 --> 01:21:48,150
those charges at the beginning of the year, and they lasted at least for the year.

1265
01:21:49,690 --> 01:21:53,660
And again, as Councilor Johnston put out, I don't think there's any

1266
01:21:53,770 --> 01:21:55,550
desire by this council to

1267
01:21:56,670 --> 01:21:58,450
figure out how much you charge for a hot dog,

1268
01:21:59,290 --> 01:22:03,190
because that could be market-driven week to week, especially in the economy

1269
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:03,910
we've got right now.

1270
01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:10,370
So it was for big things, and when things changed from,

1271
01:22:11,550 --> 01:22:14,790
let's say that in order to cover the cost of the insurance,

1272
01:22:16,270 --> 01:22:19,110
they would have to charge for skiing on Saturdays and Sundays.

1273
01:22:20,230 --> 01:22:23,210
If that's what they need to do, that would have to be brought to the council.

1274
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:26,670
That was my impression and my intention.

1275
01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:27,610
Okay.

1276
01:22:28,590 --> 01:22:31,290
It was not worded with specific in there having to come to the council.

1277
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:34,890
Councilor Boyce.

1278
01:22:35,970 --> 01:22:36,150
Oh.

1279
01:22:38,730 --> 01:22:40,010
I'm sorry, Councilor Johnston.

1280
01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:44,210
And that's all I'm talking about. This whole paragraph

1281
01:22:44,230 --> 01:22:45,230
is talking about

1282
01:22:46,270 --> 01:22:48,610
future charges that you guys may come up with.

1283
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:51,430
That's what this whole paragraph is talking about.

1284
01:22:51,460 --> 01:22:54,910
It's not talking about what you're charging right now for food or for lift tickets

1285
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:57,790
and things like that. I understand you got to charge for stuff.

1286
01:22:58,610 --> 01:23:02,430
But the process for establishing

1287
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:05,210
charge amounts and when they will be applied

1288
01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:08,990
shall include the city manager with the city council's approval.

1289
01:23:09,310 --> 01:23:12,140
I don't think you're going to be coming to the city manager every month asking them

1290
01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:15,570
to change your fees or approve a change of your fees.

1291
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:19,550
If you do, then something's not right.

1292
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:25,110
But I'll leave it at

1293
01:23:25,150 --> 01:23:25,770
that and

1294
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:27,870
Councilor Boyce can continue.

1295
01:23:29,090 --> 01:23:31,950
So are we kind of talking about the lift

1296
01:23:32,530 --> 01:23:36,380
tickets? That's what we're talking about, not the programming or any of

1297
01:23:36,430 --> 01:23:37,070
that stuff?

1298
01:23:42,670 --> 01:23:43,430
Councilor Boyce.

1299
01:23:44,650 --> 01:23:48,430
Tim, do you have a set fee that you

1300
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:52,290
charge for all this, or does it change per group or anything like that?

1301
01:23:52,350 --> 01:23:55,510
I guess if you could just explain that, maybe it'll

1302
01:23:56,230 --> 01:23:57,450
make this all go away, I guess.

1303
01:23:58,190 --> 01:24:01,870
Yes, some things change, but when we come

1304
01:24:01,890 --> 01:24:05,560
across a kid that can't afford to do a ski lesson or something like that,

1305
01:24:06,090 --> 01:24:09,930
we change prices for that, or a group, or something like that.

1306
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:10,070
So

1307
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:15,910
it's just frustrating a little bit that I feel you guys don't trust the city

1308
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:19,010
manager or... Just let me finish, please.

1309
01:24:20,150 --> 01:24:23,750
We've been operating this place a long time, and have done a great job.

1310
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:27,230
When I got involved, the place had $6,000 in the bank.

1311
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:31,070
We have a lot more in the bank now because we're doing a great job

1312
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:33,370
fundraising and doing these charges.

1313
01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:37,730
And a lot of the city councilors have not been up, so

1314
01:24:37,790 --> 01:24:37,970
how

1315
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:39,790
can you vote on it?

1316
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:44,190
I'm sorry, I'm just getting frustrated a little bit.

1317
01:24:44,350 --> 01:24:45,250
This should...

1318
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:49,750
Councilor Boyce.

1319
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:51,230
Thank you.

1320
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:55,950
Tim, I've been an advocate. All I'm asking is if this

1321
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:58,850
is simplified. You gave us the explanation.

1322
01:24:59,090 --> 01:25:01,490
That satisfies what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying.

1323
01:25:01,530 --> 01:25:04,510
You get somebody that can't afford it. I appreciate that. Thank you.

1324
01:25:07,130 --> 01:25:07,790
City manager.

1325
01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:12,930
So again, this would be mostly applied to anything

1326
01:25:12,970 --> 01:25:15,830
new that you would want to change. That's how I saw it written.

1327
01:25:16,050 --> 01:25:16,290
That was

1328
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:20,750
what the intent behind it was. And I think that getting the city

1329
01:25:20,830 --> 01:25:23,370
council's approval is not necessarily a

1330
01:25:25,050 --> 01:25:25,670
reach too far

1331
01:25:27,010 --> 01:25:29,380
if you want to make a major rate change.

1332
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,360
Councilor Hallard-Crook.

1333
01:25:42,860 --> 01:25:46,120
Maybe I'm reading this wrong.

1334
01:25:47,610 --> 01:25:51,340
"The club shall have the right to make reasonable

1335
01:25:51,380 --> 01:25:54,800
charges for the use of the facilities it has

1336
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,660
developed and further develops and maintains in the

1337
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,680
area." If I just read that first sentence,

1338
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,520
it's reasonable charges for the use of the facility.

1339
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:09,220
Now, I believe

1340
01:26:10,340 --> 01:26:14,240
you just had said that you're not necessarily

1341
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,400
renting, right? So how are we

1342
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:21,440
defining use of the facilities? Because

1343
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:25,380
to me, use of the facilities would indicate that there is a

1344
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:29,620
rental for a birthday party, not lift tickets.

1345
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,980
City manager.

1346
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:36,160
So in this case, use of the facilities basically includes use of the mountain.

1347
01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:40,340
The mountain itself, the ski area, the lift, all of that are the

1348
01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:42,820
facilities that we're talking about, not just the lodge.

1349
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,860
In fact, I would argue the lodge is probably one of the smallest parts of that,

1350
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,600
and probably the least impacted by the ability to move these

1351
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,180
rates.

1352
01:26:57,780 --> 01:26:58,660
Councilor Forge.

1353
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:01,800
Thanks, Mayor.

1354
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,620
Tim, I'm looking at, you were talking about the annual operating plan

1355
01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:12,310
being submitted on the first day of June. We agreed to that.

1356
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:15,420
Sounds like that was agreed to.

1357
01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:17,190
Your

1358
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:18,920
fiscal year,

1359
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,820
around when you're talking about your budget and whatnot,

1360
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:28,590
does that first of June revolve around-- Does your

1361
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,190
fiscal year end in June, start in July? Is that how you guys function?

1362
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:33,750
Yes.

1363
01:27:35,260 --> 01:27:39,140
Would it be reasonable for you guys to name your fees at

1364
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:42,999
the time of the beginning of the tail end of

1365
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:43,300
your

1366
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,480
fiscal year to be going into the next year as part of your

1367
01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:49,440
operating plan?

1368
01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:53,660
I think it would be better to do it before the fall, because you never know where

1369
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,720
fuel and different things like that are.

1370
01:27:59,340 --> 01:27:59,700
Thank you.

1371
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,040
Councilor Boyce.

1372
01:28:04,420 --> 01:28:07,140
We are just getting into the weeds here.

1373
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,980
This is-- We're making more of a ruckus than we need to

1374
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:11,220
here.

1375
01:28:12,460 --> 01:28:15,740
The outing club is not looking to charge exuberant fees

1376
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,800
for lift tickets. It sounds like if he's going to make

1377
01:28:19,860 --> 01:28:23,680
changes, it's like cost of living. It's like repairs and stuff like that.

1378
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,620
But he's not going to, "Oh, we got to fix this.

1379
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,030
Let's charge an outrageous amount." We are just

1380
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,870
so far in the weeds here. This needs to be taken care of now.

1381
01:28:37,140 --> 01:28:38,060
Councilor Priebe.

1382
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,100
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1383
01:28:40,340 --> 01:28:41,560
Tim, thank you for coming up.

1384
01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:46,200
We're forgetting to say those two magical words, thank you, with reverence.

1385
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,300
The only thing I can see, and this is in

1386
01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:52,620
where you might-- My personal opinion.

1387
01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:55,470
I'm not going to talk for the rest of the council, just my thoughts,

1388
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,680
is where you may need the city council's approval is if you apply for

1389
01:29:00,740 --> 01:29:04,280
a grant and you have to use the city to administer the

1390
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,160
grant like the water park people have done.

1391
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,510
It's been administered by the city and accounting by the city.

1392
01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:13,300
That would have to come in front of the council. Okay.

1393
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:15,060
That's just the way it is.

1394
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:16,260
So

1395
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:17,840
you,

1396
01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:23,460
come fall, you have no idea how much snow

1397
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:27,000
we're going to get. You don't know how cold it's going to get.

1398
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,600
You don't know how your equipment's going to be.

1399
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,440
The one thing that I guess that,

1400
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:37,060
where you say to it, "The club shall have its right to keep all funds

1401
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:40,129
determined from here on for its own use,"

1402
01:29:41,020 --> 01:29:43,920
can you give me a little definition of your own use with that?

1403
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,920
Just give me a small one. I don't want to get into the weeds like Councilor Boyce

1404
01:29:47,940 --> 01:29:48,260
said.

1405
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:53,720
Pretty much all our use, all our funds goes back into the

1406
01:29:55,100 --> 01:29:58,800
operation of the ski area, buying new equipment, upgrades,

1407
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:00,540
things like that.

1408
01:30:03,480 --> 01:30:03,940
Thank you.

1409
01:30:09,940 --> 01:30:10,660
Councilor Warner.

1410
01:30:14,540 --> 01:30:15,580
I see the point here.

1411
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,020
I think one thing we kind of need to remain focused on

1412
01:30:21,060 --> 01:30:24,640
is not just the outing club issues, but try

1413
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,480
and keep in mind

1414
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:31,460
the overall process of doing MOUs

1415
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:32,900
as a committee

1416
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,560
defined over a period of several months last year.

1417
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:41,260
And that's the only reason, I think, annual financial reporting

1418
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:42,000
per the RSA.

1419
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,780
That is just something that I'm not picking on the outing

1420
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,780
club. I think every MOU needs to conform to that because when

1421
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,650
the RSA says every charitable organization shall,

1422
01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:57,780
it's not an option.

1423
01:30:58,780 --> 01:31:00,300
It's not engineering guidance.

1424
01:31:02,460 --> 01:31:03,280
City manager.

1425
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:07,780
So in response to that, I can tell you the reason we've only seen this one, because

1426
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:10,160
I think there are currently 15 in the hopper.

1427
01:31:10,660 --> 01:31:13,980
We're waiting on this one to be the template to push them forward.

1428
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,930
So that type of guidance is exactly what I'm looking for and will be applied to all

1429
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:18,840
of them going forward.

1430
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,120
Councilor Warner.

1431
01:31:23,140 --> 01:31:26,540
And I fully understand that, City Manager, and

1432
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,680
appreciate the awkward position you're in as you do

1433
01:31:30,700 --> 01:31:34,340
the first one, and sit here in your fishbowl with

1434
01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:35,750
everybody looking in. And

1435
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,180
I'm just trying to hold the line on what we call an MOU

1436
01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:43,690
Councilor Carrion

1437
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:46,170
Thank you. I

1438
01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:50,050
think Councilor Warner pointed out an important

1439
01:31:51,690 --> 01:31:52,350
point there.

1440
01:31:53,390 --> 01:31:57,150
When referring to RSA 72, we're referring to

1441
01:31:57,270 --> 01:32:01,190
state law, which supersedes anything we do here in a council, and

1442
01:32:01,250 --> 01:32:03,530
certainly supersedes anything we might say

1443
01:32:04,350 --> 01:32:08,130
in an MOU. And therefore, it seems to me to be completely

1444
01:32:08,210 --> 01:32:11,490
unnecessary to restate in our MOU,

1445
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:15,790
especially to hold up the process that's been going on for months here.

1446
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:18,410
The MOU needs to state

1447
01:32:20,110 --> 01:32:23,190
the agreement between the organization and the city,

1448
01:32:24,150 --> 01:32:25,790
and

1449
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:31,790
by state law, they have to follow the state RSAs, including

1450
01:32:32,150 --> 01:32:34,310
RSA 72. So I don't see

1451
01:32:35,250 --> 01:32:36,890
it as necessary to be in here,

1452
01:32:37,730 --> 01:32:41,310
and I'd like to call the vote to

1453
01:32:41,890 --> 01:32:44,850
approve the MOU as presented.

1454
01:32:55,090 --> 01:32:56,150
Do I have a second on-

1455
01:32:56,530 --> 01:32:57,550
Yeah, I'll second that.

1456
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:58,750
All right.

1457
01:33:00,370 --> 01:33:02,890
Question has been called, been seconded.

1458
01:33:03,470 --> 01:33:05,290
Now I will take a roll call vote.

1459
01:33:07,630 --> 01:33:08,490
Councilor Prieb?

1460
01:33:09,610 --> 01:33:09,890
Yes.

1461
01:33:11,190 --> 01:33:12,150
Councilor Forge?

1462
01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:13,170
Yes.

1463
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:15,230
Councilor Warner?

1464
01:33:15,690 --> 01:33:15,930
Yes.

1465
01:33:17,390 --> 01:33:18,450
Councilor Hallock-Cook?

1466
01:33:19,210 --> 01:33:19,610
Yes.

1467
01:33:21,010 --> 01:33:21,930
Councilor Carrion?

1468
01:33:22,650 --> 01:33:22,930
Yes.

1469
01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:25,090
Councilor Boyce?

1470
01:33:25,490 --> 01:33:25,750
Yes.

1471
01:33:27,810 --> 01:33:28,750
Councilor Johnston?

1472
01:33:29,570 --> 01:33:29,750
Yes.

1473
01:33:31,530 --> 01:33:32,630
Councilor Jacobson?

1474
01:33:33,850 --> 01:33:34,110
Yes.

1475
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:38,570
The motion passes with eight votes.

1476
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:47,110
That was calling the question. Now we have to vote on the actual motion.

1477
01:33:55,670 --> 01:33:57,150
Now we're calling on the

1478
01:33:58,130 --> 01:33:59,890
vote on the original motion.

1479
01:34:02,410 --> 01:34:03,450
Councilor Forge?

1480
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:05,690
Yes.

1481
01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:08,070
Councilor Warner?

1482
01:34:12,170 --> 01:34:12,470
Yes.

1483
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:15,130
Councilor Hallock-Cook?

1484
01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:15,810
Yes.

1485
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:17,850
Councilor Carrion?

1486
01:34:18,690 --> 01:34:19,030
Yes.

1487
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:21,130
Councilor Boyce?

1488
01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:21,990
Yes.

1489
01:34:23,890 --> 01:34:24,990
Councilor Johnston?

1490
01:34:34,290 --> 01:34:35,270
Councilor Johnston?

1491
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:41,060
Abstain. Abstain.

1492
01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:48,750
Councilor Jacobson?

1493
01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:50,970
Yes.

1494
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:53,950
Councilor Prieb?

1495
01:34:55,110 --> 01:34:56,190
Yes.

1496
01:34:59,690 --> 01:35:02,130
We have seven yeses and one abstained.

1497
01:35:02,370 --> 01:35:04,110
The motion passes.

1498
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:18,530
Now, we will move on to agenda item number three.

1499
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:23,970
Council to consider appropriation for fire equipment sale

1500
01:35:24,130 --> 01:35:26,070
funds. Resolution

1501
01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:30,110
number 05-27.

1502
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:45,530
Councilor Hallock-Cook?

1503
01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:51,190
I move that the Franklin City Council set a public hearing date

1504
01:35:52,110 --> 01:35:52,610
for

1505
01:35:53,410 --> 01:35:55,810
6:00 PM at the September 28th,

1506
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:59,810
2026, meeting of the city council to

1507
01:35:59,870 --> 01:36:01,549
adopt resolution number

1508
01:36:02,049 --> 01:36:05,770
05-27. Adoption of the

1509
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:06,650
resolution

1510
01:36:07,610 --> 01:36:11,110
05-27 would allow for the appropriation

1511
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:15,140
of $10,582 received

1512
01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:18,830
from the sale of surplus fire, rescue, and

1513
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:22,870
EMS-related equipment towards the purchase of

1514
01:36:22,930 --> 01:36:24,910
a replacement fire engine.

1515
01:36:25,690 --> 01:36:26,070
Second.

1516
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:29,670
A motion has been made and seconded.

1517
01:36:31,070 --> 01:36:32,250
Is there any discussion?

1518
01:36:36,750 --> 01:36:37,410
City manager.

1519
01:36:37,730 --> 01:36:39,930
So if there's any question, this is simply housekeeping.

1520
01:36:40,750 --> 01:36:43,850
This council approved the fire chief to be able to sell this equipment.

1521
01:36:44,250 --> 01:36:46,290
He has sold it. It's now in the general fund.

1522
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:49,749
We need to move it into the capital fund that allows it to be

1523
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:53,610
spent on fire equipment. That's all this resolution is asking to do.

1524
01:36:59,790 --> 01:37:01,810
Any discussion? Councilor Boyce?

1525
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:06,550
Has everything been sold as far as the surplus, or is there still items

1526
01:37:06,610 --> 01:37:06,820
left?

1527
01:37:08,530 --> 01:37:08,810
I know we-

1528
01:37:08,900 --> 01:37:12,130
I know the majority was sold. I don't know if the fire chief wants to answer that

1529
01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:12,470
question.

1530
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:16,950
I know he's bored over there. He's just itching to get up. How are you?

1531
01:37:17,950 --> 01:37:20,030
Chief Forrest, could you come forward, please?

1532
01:37:40,210 --> 01:37:44,070
Good evening. To answer your question, the majority of the items were actually

1533
01:37:44,110 --> 01:37:47,870
sold, but there were some city departments that wanted to reutilize those in their

1534
01:37:47,890 --> 01:37:51,689
departments. Specifically MSD with some hoses, shovels, things like that.

1535
01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:55,470
But the majority was sold, different methods.

1536
01:37:56,850 --> 01:37:57,189
Thank you

1537
01:37:58,578 --> 01:38:01,508
Any other questions for the chief before he sits back down?

1538
01:38:03,418 --> 01:38:04,138
Councilor Boyce?

1539
01:38:04,638 --> 01:38:05,438
Kind of off the

1540
01:38:06,498 --> 01:38:07,098
subject, but

1541
01:38:08,138 --> 01:38:09,118
I thought we had a

1542
01:38:11,558 --> 01:38:13,918
burn going on at the old campground.

1543
01:38:14,018 --> 01:38:16,538
That's been postponed from what I understand, right?

1544
01:38:18,478 --> 01:38:22,328
Yeah, correct. The burn was scheduled, but when we did the final labor

1545
01:38:22,458 --> 01:38:26,338
quote with new pay rates and everything, when we gave them

1546
01:38:26,398 --> 01:38:29,978
that figure that the owners of that property would have to pay, they

1547
01:38:30,018 --> 01:38:32,658
declined us to have it burned, and they were able to get it.

1548
01:38:33,218 --> 01:38:36,678
Or they're planning on demoing the building on their own.

1549
01:38:37,578 --> 01:38:38,197
Thank you.

1550
01:38:43,438 --> 01:38:45,928
Is there any more discussion on this motion?

1551
01:38:48,218 --> 01:38:50,378
If not, I will take a roll call vote.

1552
01:38:52,198 --> 01:38:53,238
Councilor Johnston?

1553
01:38:54,398 --> 01:38:54,758
Yes.

1554
01:38:55,978 --> 01:38:57,138
Councilor Jacobson?

1555
01:38:59,018 --> 01:38:59,278
Yes.

1556
01:39:00,998 --> 01:39:01,878
Councilor Prevey?

1557
01:39:03,078 --> 01:39:03,338
Yes.

1558
01:39:04,358 --> 01:39:05,218
Councilor Forge?

1559
01:39:06,518 --> 01:39:07,798
Yes.

1560
01:39:07,868 --> 01:39:08,698
Councilor Warner?

1561
01:39:09,598 --> 01:39:09,838
Yes.

1562
01:39:11,498 --> 01:39:12,498
Councilor Hallett Cook?

1563
01:39:13,198 --> 01:39:13,498
Yes.

1564
01:39:14,898 --> 01:39:15,718
Councilor Carrier?

1565
01:39:16,818 --> 01:39:17,498
Yes.

1566
01:39:19,298 --> 01:39:20,138
Councilor Boyce?

1567
01:39:20,538 --> 01:39:20,758
Yes.

1568
01:39:22,918 --> 01:39:25,178
The motion passes with eight votes.

1569
01:39:31,998 --> 01:39:33,038
Yes, you're right.

1570
01:39:33,878 --> 01:39:36,778
Is there anyone in the council that would like to read the resolution?

1571
01:39:44,178 --> 01:39:45,038
Council Forge.

1572
01:39:46,818 --> 01:39:50,478
Thanks, Mayor. Resolution 05-27,

1573
01:39:50,978 --> 01:39:53,398
a resolution granting authority to transfer

1574
01:39:53,408 --> 01:39:55,138
$10,582

1575
01:39:56,118 --> 01:39:59,618
received from the sale of surplus fire and EMS equipment

1576
01:40:00,558 --> 01:40:03,698
in the year of our Lord, 2026.

1577
01:40:04,018 --> 01:40:04,598
Whereas

1578
01:40:05,578 --> 01:40:09,498
the City Council of the City of Franklin, New Hampshire, adopted a

1579
01:40:09,518 --> 01:40:13,338
budget for fiscal year 2027, beginning July 1st,

1580
01:40:13,558 --> 01:40:17,378
2026, and whereas the

1581
01:40:17,418 --> 01:40:21,318
City Council authorized the Fire Department administration to

1582
01:40:21,438 --> 01:40:24,618
sell and/or scrap surplus fire,

1583
01:40:25,038 --> 01:40:28,888
rescue, and EMS-related equipment at the January 5th,

1584
01:40:29,118 --> 01:40:31,778
2026 Franklin City Council meeting.

1585
01:40:32,618 --> 01:40:35,778
And whereas it was the intent of the revenue

1586
01:40:35,898 --> 01:40:39,658
generated to go towards the purchase of a new replacement fire

1587
01:40:39,778 --> 01:40:40,118
engine,

1588
01:40:41,058 --> 01:40:43,778
and whereas the Fire Department administration

1589
01:40:44,738 --> 01:40:48,138
sold the pre-approved surplus items for a total value of

1590
01:40:48,148 --> 01:40:51,467
$10,582. Now,

1591
01:40:51,818 --> 01:40:52,358
therefore,

1592
01:40:53,578 --> 01:40:57,458
be it resolved that at a regularly scheduled meeting

1593
01:40:57,498 --> 01:41:00,158
of the City Council on Monday, September 28th,

1594
01:41:00,438 --> 01:41:03,818
2026, the City Council of Franklin, New Hampshire,

1595
01:41:04,358 --> 01:41:07,098
does hereby vote to adopt resolution

1596
01:41:07,458 --> 01:41:11,338
05-27 to transfer proceeds

1597
01:41:11,378 --> 01:41:13,898
in the amount of $10,582

1598
01:41:14,798 --> 01:41:17,418
from the sale of surplus fire and EMS equipment.

1599
01:41:18,718 --> 01:41:20,378
A decrease in account

1600
01:41:21,038 --> 01:41:26,618
01-0-000-40970,

1601
01:41:27,238 --> 01:41:30,638
transfer to capital reserve fund, fire equipment,

1602
01:41:30,998 --> 01:41:33,378
$10,582.

1603
01:41:34,798 --> 01:41:36,698
An increase in account

1604
01:41:37,798 --> 01:41:43,518
70-0-000-39110,

1605
01:41:44,078 --> 01:41:45,818
transfer from gen fund,

1606
01:41:46,728 --> 01:41:48,678
$10,582.

1607
01:42:03,478 --> 01:42:06,758
All right. We will now move on to agenda item number four.

1608
01:42:06,878 --> 01:42:08,638
Point of information.

1609
01:42:10,118 --> 01:42:11,178
Councilor Jacobson.

1610
01:42:12,638 --> 01:42:13,278
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1611
01:42:14,198 --> 01:42:17,578
Sorry, Councilor Forge, I think there's a by roll call vote on the second page

1612
01:42:17,658 --> 01:42:20,978
there. Just want to make sure the entire resolution is read so there's not a

1613
01:42:21,038 --> 01:42:22,018
technical issue later on.

1614
01:42:22,048 --> 01:42:22,858
By roll call vote.

1615
01:42:23,758 --> 01:42:24,498
Thank you.

1616
01:42:37,518 --> 01:42:40,498
We will now move on to agenda item number four.

1617
01:42:42,578 --> 01:42:46,258
Working to obtain approval of a proposed local

1618
01:42:46,318 --> 01:42:48,278
emergency operation plan

1619
01:42:49,738 --> 01:42:53,218
and contingency of operations plan at the August

1620
01:42:53,378 --> 01:42:56,827
31st, 2026, Franklin City Council meeting.

1621
01:42:57,378 --> 01:42:58,598
Council approval

1622
01:42:59,438 --> 01:43:03,258
is required for the City of Franklin to formally adopt and implement

1623
01:43:03,938 --> 01:43:07,138
these plans, which will help ensure the city's

1624
01:43:07,158 --> 01:43:08,168
preparationist

1625
01:43:09,138 --> 01:43:12,618
contingency of essential operations and the

1626
01:43:12,698 --> 01:43:15,028
safety and wellbeing of the community.

1627
01:43:19,818 --> 01:43:20,998
Councilor Hallett Cook.

1628
01:43:22,738 --> 01:43:24,858
Try and stay awake. I'm doing my reading tonight.

1629
01:43:25,838 --> 01:43:29,358
I move that the Franklin City Council formally adopt the

1630
01:43:29,378 --> 01:43:33,198
proposed local emergency operations and continuity of

1631
01:43:33,298 --> 01:43:36,758
operation plans as prepared by Hubbard Consulting

1632
01:43:36,918 --> 01:43:37,498
LLC.

1633
01:43:38,198 --> 01:43:38,618
Second.

1634
01:43:41,078 --> 01:43:44,398
The motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

1635
01:43:49,878 --> 01:43:50,398
If not-

1636
01:43:50,538 --> 01:43:51,198
I have a question.

1637
01:43:52,518 --> 01:43:53,798
Councilor Jacobson.

1638
01:43:54,718 --> 01:43:56,578
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My only question is,

1639
01:43:57,538 --> 01:44:00,658
this plan was made public in May 7th, I think.

1640
01:44:01,758 --> 01:44:04,118
I'm just curious, what if any,

1641
01:44:05,318 --> 01:44:06,628
information was put

1642
01:44:07,574 --> 01:44:10,554
Integrated from that discussion to the plan?

1643
01:44:11,454 --> 01:44:12,873
Did you get good feedback, essentially?

1644
01:44:16,874 --> 01:44:17,594
City manager.

1645
01:44:18,014 --> 01:44:21,674
So I'm getting the signal from the fire chief in the back that there was no input.

1646
01:44:23,254 --> 01:44:23,633
Thank you.

1647
01:44:27,634 --> 01:44:29,634
Any other discussion on this motion?

1648
01:44:33,574 --> 01:44:35,294
If not, by roll call vote.

1649
01:44:36,834 --> 01:44:37,874
Council Jacobson.

1650
01:44:39,954 --> 01:44:40,174
Yes.

1651
01:44:42,134 --> 01:44:43,034
Councilor Previ.

1652
01:44:44,214 --> 01:44:44,494
Yes.

1653
01:44:45,854 --> 01:44:46,814
Councilor Forge.

1654
01:44:47,714 --> 01:44:47,974
Yes.

1655
01:44:50,294 --> 01:44:51,074
Councilor Warner.

1656
01:44:51,614 --> 01:44:51,874
Yes.

1657
01:44:53,334 --> 01:44:54,454
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

1658
01:44:55,234 --> 01:44:55,554
Yes.

1659
01:44:56,874 --> 01:44:57,834
Councilor Carrier.

1660
01:44:58,594 --> 01:44:58,854
Yes.

1661
01:45:00,214 --> 01:45:01,054
Councilor Boyce.

1662
01:45:01,874 --> 01:45:02,174
Yes.

1663
01:45:04,714 --> 01:45:05,794
Councilor Johnston.

1664
01:45:06,154 --> 01:45:06,453
Yes.

1665
01:45:09,154 --> 01:45:11,514
The motion passes with eight votes.

1666
01:45:18,514 --> 01:45:22,214
We will now move on to agenda item

1667
01:45:22,394 --> 01:45:25,334
number five, council to consider

1668
01:45:27,114 --> 01:45:29,354
FEMA and mandated floodplain

1669
01:45:31,814 --> 01:45:34,474
amendment, Chapter 170.

1670
01:45:39,974 --> 01:45:40,894
Councilor Johnston.

1671
01:45:44,434 --> 01:45:48,204
I make a motion to approve the recommended amendments to Chapter

1672
01:45:48,374 --> 01:45:52,234
170, Floodplain Management of the Franklin City Ordinances.

1673
01:45:52,574 --> 01:45:52,934
Second.

1674
01:45:55,294 --> 01:45:57,454
A motion has been made and seconded.

1675
01:45:58,154 --> 01:45:59,934
Is there any discussion on this motion?

1676
01:46:01,904 --> 01:46:02,624
I have a question.

1677
01:46:03,834 --> 01:46:05,454
Councilor Jacobson.

1678
01:46:07,114 --> 01:46:10,574
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My only question here is, the

1679
01:46:12,594 --> 01:46:16,283
red line strikeout that's included here, is a date in the future,

1680
01:46:16,574 --> 01:46:20,334
November 13th, 2026. City manager, can you describe

1681
01:46:20,374 --> 01:46:23,814
what's planned for that date or

1682
01:46:24,574 --> 01:46:26,454
why we're looking forward to that date?

1683
01:46:29,294 --> 01:46:30,054
City manager.

1684
01:46:30,734 --> 01:46:33,734
I have no explanation for why that date was provided by FEMA.

1685
01:46:34,074 --> 01:46:37,174
I only know it was provided by FEMA, and they told us that it had to be there.

1686
01:46:39,454 --> 01:46:39,754
Thank you.

1687
01:46:41,334 --> 01:46:42,274
Councilor Johnston.

1688
01:46:43,534 --> 01:46:45,814
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The only thing I want to do is I wanted to

1689
01:46:47,274 --> 01:46:50,694
let the public know that what they are talking about, Chapter

1690
01:46:50,874 --> 01:46:54,694
170-1, scope and statutory authority, Section C.

1691
01:46:56,034 --> 01:46:59,344
There is a date that was already on there for January 23rd,

1692
01:46:59,494 --> 01:47:02,914
2026, and that has been changed to November 13th,

1693
01:47:03,114 --> 01:47:05,414
2046. There was also

1694
01:47:06,314 --> 01:47:09,614
dates on there for the flood insurance rate maps,

1695
01:47:10,634 --> 01:47:14,534
dated April 19th, 2010, and January 23rd,

1696
01:47:14,654 --> 01:47:15,514
2026.

1697
01:47:16,494 --> 01:47:20,334
Those were changed to the maps dated January

1698
01:47:20,554 --> 01:47:24,294
23rd, 2026, and November 13th, 2026.

1699
01:47:24,974 --> 01:47:28,454
So I'm assuming, to clarify for Councilor

1700
01:47:28,534 --> 01:47:32,094
Jacobson, that the November 13th is going to be a

1701
01:47:32,374 --> 01:47:34,714
new floodplain map possibly.

1702
01:47:36,354 --> 01:47:36,994
City manager.

1703
01:47:37,474 --> 01:47:39,554
So I apologize for my sarcasm.

1704
01:47:40,734 --> 01:47:43,774
The expectation is that they will publish those on that date.

1705
01:47:44,194 --> 01:47:47,994
Again, this is one of those things that FEMA gave us and

1706
01:47:48,034 --> 01:47:49,594
didn't give us a whole lot of options.

1707
01:47:49,854 --> 01:47:50,834
They said, "Do this

1708
01:47:52,214 --> 01:47:55,014
or you won't have federal flood insurance." So...

1709
01:48:00,954 --> 01:48:03,514
Any other discussion on this motion?

1710
01:48:05,794 --> 01:48:08,374
If not, by a roll call vote.

1711
01:48:10,074 --> 01:48:10,914
Councilor Warner.

1712
01:48:12,014 --> 01:48:12,254
Yes.

1713
01:48:13,454 --> 01:48:14,574
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

1714
01:48:15,634 --> 01:48:15,974
Yes.

1715
01:48:17,314 --> 01:48:18,214
Councilor Carrier.

1716
01:48:19,454 --> 01:48:19,774
Yes.

1717
01:48:21,114 --> 01:48:21,954
Councilor Boyce.

1718
01:48:22,354 --> 01:48:22,614
Yes.

1719
01:48:24,074 --> 01:48:25,774
Councilor Johnston.

1720
01:48:26,254 --> 01:48:26,534
Yes.

1721
01:48:27,634 --> 01:48:28,733
Councilor Jacobson.

1722
01:48:29,914 --> 01:48:30,154
Yes.

1723
01:48:31,734 --> 01:48:32,614
Councilor Previ.

1724
01:48:33,274 --> 01:48:33,554
Yes.

1725
01:48:34,214 --> 01:48:35,054
Councilor Forge.

1726
01:48:35,634 --> 01:48:35,894
Yes.

1727
01:48:36,654 --> 01:48:38,654
The motion passes with eight

1728
01:48:39,474 --> 01:48:39,934
votes

1729
01:48:41,034 --> 01:48:41,614
in favor.

1730
01:48:51,454 --> 01:48:54,934
Now, we will move on to agenda item number six.

1731
01:48:57,194 --> 01:49:01,184
Council to consider moving the Park and Rec fee schedule out of the

1732
01:49:01,294 --> 01:49:02,034
city code.

1733
01:49:07,394 --> 01:49:08,384
Do I have a motion?

1734
01:49:10,774 --> 01:49:11,374
I have a motion.

1735
01:49:12,154 --> 01:49:14,154
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1736
01:49:15,554 --> 01:49:16,734
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

1737
01:49:20,694 --> 01:49:21,254
I move the

1738
01:49:21,294 --> 01:49:25,074
Franklin

1739
01:49:25,114 --> 01:49:28,514
City Council of the city of Franklin remove Chapter

1740
01:49:28,894 --> 01:49:32,694
309, section 15C of the city

1741
01:49:32,814 --> 01:49:34,674
code and replace it with,

1742
01:49:35,544 --> 01:49:39,454
"Fees for use will be published annually as part of the budgeting

1743
01:49:39,534 --> 01:49:43,054
process," and that the fee schedule for the Parks and

1744
01:49:43,114 --> 01:49:44,394
Recreation Department

1745
01:49:45,874 --> 01:49:49,534
and Parks and Recreation Department services published as

1746
01:49:49,574 --> 01:49:52,874
Chapter 160-1 be

1747
01:49:52,954 --> 01:49:56,914
removed and replaced with, "See the schedule of fees

1748
01:49:57,054 --> 01:50:00,434
published by the Parks and Recreation Department annually."

1749
01:50:03,514 --> 01:50:03,874
Second.

1750
01:50:05,634 --> 01:50:08,814
We have a motion and a second. Do we have any discussion?

1751
01:50:10,354 --> 01:50:11,114
Councilor Warner

1752
01:50:12,930 --> 01:50:15,350
Yeah, I was sort of curious as to when this discussion

1753
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:16,590
that

1754
01:50:17,630 --> 01:50:20,550
is mentioned in the history took place.

1755
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:23,550
I am a member of the legislative committee.

1756
01:50:23,630 --> 01:50:25,250
I have not missed any meetings this year.

1757
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:28,390
I could not find this in any of our minutes.

1758
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:29,360
I was wondering

1759
01:50:30,770 --> 01:50:33,530
if perhaps this was a discussion outside of the committee.

1760
01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:37,410
I have a comment.

1761
01:50:40,610 --> 01:50:42,680
I'm in agreement with Councilor Warner.

1762
01:50:43,070 --> 01:50:46,050
I'm on the legislative committee also, and I don't remember having a

1763
01:50:46,110 --> 01:50:49,750
talk with Director Carmichael about these changing

1764
01:50:49,850 --> 01:50:51,710
fees and moving them outside the charter.

1765
01:50:54,410 --> 01:50:55,110
I have a comment.

1766
01:50:55,670 --> 01:50:56,630
Councilor Jacobson.

1767
01:50:58,330 --> 01:51:00,540
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My apologies to the council.

1768
01:51:00,610 --> 01:51:03,410
There's an error in this council agenda report.

1769
01:51:04,250 --> 01:51:06,920
This was brought before the Parks and Recreation Committee,

1770
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:08,950
which is

1771
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:12,519
the folks that discussed this. And so we discussed this

1772
01:51:12,519 --> 01:51:16,370
at least

1773
01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:20,550
during the July 1st Parks and Recreation Committee

1774
01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:22,130
meeting, as well as the

1775
01:51:23,730 --> 01:51:26,890
August 19th Parks and Recreation Committee

1776
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:30,570
workshop. And so, that's a

1777
01:51:33,010 --> 01:51:33,970
mistake on my side,

1778
01:51:34,830 --> 01:51:36,110
Councilor Warner and Councilor Johnson.

1779
01:51:36,590 --> 01:51:38,790
We've had a lot come through the legislative committee, but not this.

1780
01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:43,170
And I'm happy to talk a little bit more about the thinking behind this,

1781
01:51:43,950 --> 01:51:44,870
but I'll leave it there for now.

1782
01:51:47,610 --> 01:51:48,650
Councilor Hallett Cook.

1783
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:54,650
Just as a follow-up, yes, this was part of our conversation in our

1784
01:51:54,750 --> 01:51:58,170
Parks and Rec committee meetings, because

1785
01:51:58,570 --> 01:52:01,970
fees are tied to our budget,

1786
01:52:02,490 --> 01:52:03,110
and

1787
01:52:05,010 --> 01:52:06,650
if you had them in the charter,

1788
01:52:08,430 --> 01:52:12,410
it was a little bit harder to update them than doing it

1789
01:52:12,490 --> 01:52:12,930
this way.

1790
01:52:14,290 --> 01:52:15,110
City manager.

1791
01:52:15,930 --> 01:52:19,630
So, yes, just to echo that, in the past, the city budget's been

1792
01:52:19,690 --> 01:52:23,150
passed, and then all the fees would had to be gone in and the council,

1793
01:52:23,650 --> 01:52:27,299
or not, has gone in and updated Chapter 160 for the

1794
01:52:27,370 --> 01:52:31,310
fees. The intent here is to move all the city fees to Appendix One as part of

1795
01:52:31,330 --> 01:52:35,070
the budget that the council will approve as the budget and go

1796
01:52:35,130 --> 01:52:38,990
in and figure out these are the first two sections that we know need to be

1797
01:52:39,070 --> 01:52:41,430
changed to, say, refer to the fiscal year budget.

1798
01:52:41,970 --> 01:52:44,630
I'm sure there will be others that will come up as we go along.

1799
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:48,950
But the intent is to give the citizens of Franklin one spot, which is the

1800
01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:52,810
current fiscal year budget, Appendix One, where all of the city fees will be

1801
01:52:52,850 --> 01:52:53,370
located.

1802
01:52:54,230 --> 01:52:57,770
If you've looked at Chapter 160 for past years, there are some of the fees there

1803
01:52:57,810 --> 01:53:01,230
that haven't been updated for 14 years, even though there are budgets that were

1804
01:53:01,270 --> 01:53:01,690
passed

1805
01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:06,510
that did update those fees because either, for whatever

1806
01:53:06,570 --> 01:53:09,260
reason, it never came before the council to change 160.

1807
01:53:09,810 --> 01:53:13,670
The intent is to alleviate that by making it all one document that gets

1808
01:53:13,710 --> 01:53:15,519
approved and passed during the budget process.

1809
01:53:22,490 --> 01:53:24,410
Any other discussion on this motion?

1810
01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:26,430
Council Carrier.

1811
01:53:27,610 --> 01:53:30,050
Thank you. So, City Manager, does that mean that

1812
01:53:31,110 --> 01:53:34,730
we're going to go through and do all of these different sections one at a time, or

1813
01:53:34,770 --> 01:53:37,030
is there a simpler process for

1814
01:53:38,230 --> 01:53:40,770
just taking all of this out and putting it into an appendix?

1815
01:53:41,570 --> 01:53:42,330
City manager.

1816
01:53:42,570 --> 01:53:46,240
So the appendix was actually given as part of the budget, and it was approved as

1817
01:53:46,250 --> 01:53:47,190
part of the budget.

1818
01:53:48,090 --> 01:53:52,010
And I think that you'll find a large portion of this by

1819
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:55,970
amending Section 160 and 309

1820
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:59,350
here will take care of it. There's probably going to be some cats and dogs,

1821
01:54:00,250 --> 01:54:03,950
as there are a lot of those in our city code that I'm finding that we'll come

1822
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:06,510
across, but I think this will be the one that is going to--

1823
01:54:07,530 --> 01:54:09,710
This will be the major heavy lift for it.

1824
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:12,710
Parks and Rec just beat me to the punch on this one.

1825
01:54:14,730 --> 01:54:15,010
Thank you.

1826
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:21,079
Any other discussion on this motion?

1827
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:25,750
If not, I will take a roll call vote.

1828
01:54:27,110 --> 01:54:28,190
Councilor Hallett Cook.

1829
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:29,190
Yes.

1830
01:54:30,670 --> 01:54:31,550
Councilor Carrier.

1831
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:33,050
Yes.

1832
01:54:34,450 --> 01:54:35,270
Councilor Boyce.

1833
01:54:38,910 --> 01:54:39,190
Yes.

1834
01:54:41,070 --> 01:54:42,050
Councilor Johnston.

1835
01:54:47,050 --> 01:54:47,330
Yes.

1836
01:54:49,310 --> 01:54:50,430
Councilor Jacobson.

1837
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:53,170
Yes.

1838
01:54:57,010 --> 01:54:58,650
Councilor Prevy.

1839
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:59,050
Yes.

1840
01:55:00,590 --> 01:55:01,630
Councilor Forgey.

1841
01:55:02,330 --> 01:55:02,610
Yes.

1842
01:55:04,250 --> 01:55:05,110
Councilor Warner.

1843
01:55:05,170 --> 01:55:05,470
Yes.

1844
01:55:07,090 --> 01:55:09,010
The motion passes with a vote.

1845
01:55:23,230 --> 01:55:27,070
We will now move on to agenda item number seven,

1846
01:55:27,310 --> 01:55:29,909
council to consider electronic

1847
01:55:30,910 --> 01:55:32,150
use policy.

1848
01:55:35,830 --> 01:55:36,480
I have a motion.

1849
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:39,250
Councilor Jacobson.

1850
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:44,050
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the Franklin City Council adopt the attached

1851
01:55:44,150 --> 01:55:46,150
electronic device use

1852
01:55:47,690 --> 01:55:51,470
at council and subcommittee meetings policy.

1853
01:55:53,810 --> 01:55:54,150
Second.

1854
01:55:55,450 --> 01:55:58,010
A motion has been made and seconded.

1855
01:55:58,040 --> 01:55:59,980
Do we have any discussion on this motion?

1856
01:56:02,290 --> 01:56:03,250
Council Carrier.

1857
01:56:05,730 --> 01:56:06,370
Thank you. I have

1858
01:56:07,370 --> 01:56:08,710
two comments, if I may.

1859
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:10,780
Under section-

1860
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:11,350
Point of order.

1861
01:56:12,230 --> 01:56:13,750
He's looking for a second for the motion.

1862
01:56:14,090 --> 01:56:15,250
All right. Second

1863
01:56:15,954 --> 01:56:16,914
I thought we already had a second.

1864
01:56:17,474 --> 01:56:17,614
Oh.

1865
01:56:17,734 --> 01:56:19,434
Then Councilor Forde

1866
01:56:20,734 --> 01:56:23,814
had seconded that, so we're in discussion now.

1867
01:56:27,854 --> 01:56:28,534
May I continue?

1868
01:56:29,094 --> 01:56:31,994
Councilor Cari, you now may continue. Sorry about that.

1869
01:56:32,254 --> 01:56:34,453
Thank you. So I have two questions here.

1870
01:56:34,934 --> 01:56:38,704
Under permitted use, one of them says, "Communicating with city

1871
01:56:38,854 --> 01:56:42,634
staff for the limited purpose of obtaining information needed to discuss or act on

1872
01:56:42,694 --> 01:56:43,354
the agenda item."

1873
01:56:46,674 --> 01:56:47,854
I guess I would like to see,

1874
01:56:49,914 --> 01:56:53,884
in addition to that, to say, "With prior knowledge of

1875
01:56:53,914 --> 01:56:55,894
the chairperson." I think

1876
01:56:57,714 --> 01:57:01,194
part of what we're missing here that we discussed the last time this came forward,

1877
01:57:01,914 --> 01:57:03,074
was to not have

1878
01:57:04,554 --> 01:57:08,394
discussion between members of the council or board,

1879
01:57:08,494 --> 01:57:10,554
whatever it is, and

1880
01:57:11,414 --> 01:57:14,114
members sitting on the other side of the table, whoever they may be,

1881
01:57:15,514 --> 01:57:16,154
without

1882
01:57:17,034 --> 01:57:20,034
the chair of the board or committee

1883
01:57:22,534 --> 01:57:24,554
specifically allowing that discussion.

1884
01:57:25,634 --> 01:57:28,814
So that's my first comment there. My second one is under

1885
01:57:30,974 --> 01:57:31,894
prohibited use,

1886
01:57:33,854 --> 01:57:35,054
and it's essentially

1887
01:57:36,394 --> 01:57:39,774
to not allow communications with

1888
01:57:40,774 --> 01:57:44,754
other people or members of the public outside of the meeting participants.

1889
01:57:50,214 --> 01:57:54,124
And I would just add that I believe through

1890
01:57:54,174 --> 01:57:54,374
the

1891
01:57:55,674 --> 01:57:58,714
last couple of years, and this discussion has been

1892
01:57:58,774 --> 01:58:02,034
ongoing in and outside of the council.

1893
01:58:03,214 --> 01:58:07,024
And the complaint that I'm

1894
01:58:07,054 --> 01:58:11,034
trying to make sure that we address is that we don't have members

1895
01:58:11,074 --> 01:58:13,274
of the council communicating

1896
01:58:14,194 --> 01:58:18,134
with, and receiving communications from, members of the public

1897
01:58:18,214 --> 01:58:20,074
during meetings to

1898
01:58:23,814 --> 01:58:25,474
cause effect on the meeting itself.

1899
01:58:30,374 --> 01:58:31,174
Councilor Warner.

1900
01:58:33,534 --> 01:58:37,034
Just a quick question. Is that not covered under RSA 91-A?

1901
01:58:43,734 --> 01:58:44,534
Councilor Cari.

1902
01:58:49,974 --> 01:58:53,794
I suppose people could start asking for our cell phones, but I'd rather

1903
01:58:53,854 --> 01:58:54,174
not

1904
01:58:55,414 --> 01:58:58,634
be going down that road. The purpose of this was to

1905
01:59:00,994 --> 01:59:04,934
build trust with the public and make sure that we're all

1906
01:59:04,994 --> 01:59:08,684
acknowledging the rules, before we sit down at the

1907
01:59:08,734 --> 01:59:09,094
table.

1908
01:59:11,754 --> 01:59:12,354
Councilor Previ.

1909
01:59:12,924 --> 01:59:15,364
Mayor Cavanagh.

1910
01:59:15,814 --> 01:59:17,594
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1911
01:59:18,814 --> 01:59:22,234
How would we enforce this? We're not policemen.

1912
01:59:22,294 --> 01:59:22,314
We

1913
01:59:24,294 --> 01:59:27,754
head down a really serious road to violating someone's First Amendment

1914
01:59:27,854 --> 01:59:31,104
right. That's my only concern. It's a policy that

1915
01:59:31,154 --> 01:59:35,054
we've talked about for a long time to put it in place,

1916
01:59:35,554 --> 01:59:39,214
but how are we going to enforce it? We're not any policemen up here.

1917
01:59:39,254 --> 01:59:41,094
We have no legal rights to do this.

1918
01:59:44,034 --> 01:59:45,714
I have a comment. Jacobson.

1919
01:59:47,774 --> 01:59:48,514
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1920
01:59:49,454 --> 01:59:52,554
I guess in response to Councilor Warner, your comment, I

1921
01:59:53,854 --> 01:59:54,634
could be wrong, but

1922
01:59:55,514 --> 01:59:56,634
RSA 91-A...

1923
01:59:57,514 --> 02:00:01,414
I'm not sure, actually, if RSA 91-A covers a discussion with a

1924
02:00:01,494 --> 02:00:02,254
member of the public,

1925
02:00:04,334 --> 02:00:05,594
rather than another

1926
02:00:06,534 --> 02:00:08,914
elected member of the body in your example.

1927
02:00:09,854 --> 02:00:12,854
It may or it may not. And I think that what this tries to do is say that...

1928
02:00:13,094 --> 02:00:17,074
Or I think what Councilor Cari is talking about is regardless those kinds of

1929
02:00:17,114 --> 02:00:19,434
private discussions with business before the council,

1930
02:00:20,854 --> 02:00:23,854
or council or committee are not appropriate.

1931
02:00:24,654 --> 02:00:24,934
And,

1932
02:00:27,194 --> 02:00:27,834
Councilor Previ,

1933
02:00:30,174 --> 02:00:33,274
you're picking up on something that we discussed in the legislative committee.

1934
02:00:33,354 --> 02:00:33,514
We had

1935
02:00:34,454 --> 02:00:37,674
maybe a half hour, 45 minute discussion about that exact issue.

1936
02:00:38,434 --> 02:00:39,874
The enforcement of this is difficult.

1937
02:00:40,874 --> 02:00:44,254
And I think that this is more of a commitment and a signal to the public

1938
02:00:44,354 --> 02:00:45,614
about our behavior.

1939
02:00:46,994 --> 02:00:50,594
Fundamentally, the enforcement mechanism is RSA

1940
02:00:50,754 --> 02:00:51,134
91-A.

1941
02:00:52,894 --> 02:00:55,544
We're not going to be turning in our cell phones or turning in our computers

1942
02:00:55,594 --> 02:00:58,634
unless, of course, they're part of a records request.

1943
02:01:01,474 --> 02:01:02,214
City manager.

1944
02:01:02,874 --> 02:01:03,094
So,

1945
02:01:04,074 --> 02:01:07,914
I would stress that from my understanding of 91-A,

1946
02:01:08,634 --> 02:01:11,674
hardware is not included in the ability to request it.

1947
02:01:11,714 --> 02:01:15,374
They can request specific information off of it, so no one should be

1948
02:01:15,414 --> 02:01:18,154
requesting your computer or your phone.

1949
02:01:18,224 --> 02:01:21,994
They could request all texts that you received on your phone from

1950
02:01:22,014 --> 02:01:25,794
this time to that time, or from a specific recipient.

1951
02:01:27,234 --> 02:01:31,194
But no one has the right, at least in my interpretation of 91-A.

1952
02:01:31,324 --> 02:01:33,344
Again, I've said many times, I'm not a lawyer.

1953
02:01:33,994 --> 02:01:36,774
No one has the right to actually take your phone and search it.

1954
02:01:36,834 --> 02:01:39,624
They can only ask you for specific information that is on it.

1955
02:01:40,894 --> 02:01:41,854
Having said that,

1956
02:01:43,734 --> 02:01:45,234
I will agree with

1957
02:01:46,674 --> 02:01:50,394
Councilor Previ. This is nearly impossible to

1958
02:01:50,714 --> 02:01:54,254
actually enforce, and I would disagree with

1959
02:01:54,494 --> 02:01:58,154
Councilor Jacobson in that it's not something the council can enforce.

1960
02:01:58,194 --> 02:02:01,454
This is something only the voters can enforce, and it's only going to be

1961
02:02:01,474 --> 02:02:04,434
enforceable every three years for city councilors.

1962
02:02:05,214 --> 02:02:08,834
I would say the voters have to watch our conduct, watch the conduct of the

1963
02:02:08,894 --> 02:02:10,194
council and mine.

1964
02:02:11,134 --> 02:02:15,094
If they feel our conduct is inappropriate, they can then vote

1965
02:02:15,134 --> 02:02:18,954
you out of office, or they can write you guys to have me removed and replaced.

1966
02:02:20,254 --> 02:02:23,854
But the truth is, this is nearly impossible to actually

1967
02:02:23,934 --> 02:02:25,054
police at this table,

1968
02:02:26,334 --> 02:02:28,874
as only the council can hold the council accountable

1969
02:02:29,794 --> 02:02:30,974
by the way the charter is written.

1970
02:02:33,914 --> 02:02:34,894
Councilor Johnston.

1971
02:02:35,754 --> 02:02:36,374
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1972
02:02:37,774 --> 02:02:41,094
So as Councilor Jacobson said, we talked about this for

1973
02:02:41,934 --> 02:02:43,814
well over an hour in the legislative committee,

1974
02:02:45,034 --> 02:02:48,894
half an hour now, so an hour and a half for something that we

1975
02:02:48,954 --> 02:02:52,494
can't enforce. This is a policy that

1976
02:02:53,554 --> 02:02:57,214
is not enforceable. It's a feel-good policy. That's all it is.

1977
02:02:58,234 --> 02:02:58,854
Just like when

1978
02:02:59,734 --> 02:03:03,464
people bring up conflicts of interest and ask people to recuse themselves, there is

1979
02:03:03,494 --> 02:03:06,114
no mechanism to follow. There is no enforcement.

1980
02:03:06,134 --> 02:03:09,454
There's no penalties or anything like that. You can do whatever you want to do.

1981
02:03:10,434 --> 02:03:14,114
This is just a feel-good policy, and as I said in the legislative committee,

1982
02:03:14,634 --> 02:03:17,194
I don't agree with it. I don't think we should be wasting our time on it.

1983
02:03:22,154 --> 02:03:24,274
Any other discussion on this motion?

1984
02:03:25,554 --> 02:03:27,894
If not, I will take a roll call vote.

1985
02:03:29,394 --> 02:03:30,234
Councilor Boyce.

1986
02:03:31,954 --> 02:03:32,174
No.

1987
02:03:35,694 --> 02:03:36,774
Councilor Johnston.

1988
02:03:37,594 --> 02:03:37,814
No.

1989
02:03:41,754 --> 02:03:42,854
Councilor Jacobson.

1990
02:03:46,714 --> 02:03:46,974
Yes.

1991
02:03:50,334 --> 02:03:51,274
Councilor Priebe.

1992
02:03:52,494 --> 02:03:52,674
No.

1993
02:03:54,934 --> 02:03:55,734
Councilor Forge.

1994
02:03:56,814 --> 02:03:57,094
Yes.

1995
02:03:59,014 --> 02:03:59,814
Councilor Warner.

1996
02:04:00,014 --> 02:04:00,234
No.

1997
02:04:02,754 --> 02:04:03,794
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

1998
02:04:09,714 --> 02:04:10,134
Yes.

1999
02:04:12,814 --> 02:04:13,774
Councilor Carrier.

2000
02:04:15,114 --> 02:04:15,414
Yes.

2001
02:04:20,834 --> 02:04:22,514
We have a tie.

2002
02:04:26,494 --> 02:04:28,874
I, as mayor, vote yes.

2003
02:04:30,294 --> 02:04:30,714
So it's

2004
02:04:31,694 --> 02:04:32,514
five to four.

2005
02:04:39,374 --> 02:04:42,934
We will now move on to agenda item number

2006
02:04:43,054 --> 02:04:48,614
eight.

2007
02:04:49,414 --> 02:04:49,894
Council,

2008
02:04:52,494 --> 02:04:54,024
to consider expanding

2009
02:04:54,894 --> 02:04:56,434
the definition of park

2010
02:04:57,514 --> 02:04:59,034
access in city code

2011
02:05:00,494 --> 02:05:01,774
chapter 309.

2012
02:05:04,574 --> 02:05:05,254
I have a motion.

2013
02:05:08,254 --> 02:05:09,234
Councilor Jacobson.

2014
02:05:10,734 --> 02:05:14,494
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the Franklin City Council of the city Franklin remove

2015
02:05:15,434 --> 02:05:19,154
references to community center in chapter 309 of the city policy and replace

2016
02:05:19,194 --> 02:05:22,374
it with parks and recreation asset.

2017
02:05:22,434 --> 02:05:23,834
Second.

2018
02:05:25,514 --> 02:05:29,094
A motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

2019
02:05:31,354 --> 02:05:31,914
I have a comment.

2020
02:05:35,754 --> 02:05:36,754
Councilor Jacobson.

2021
02:05:38,074 --> 02:05:41,494
Once again, I apologize to my fellow esteemed members of the

2022
02:05:41,534 --> 02:05:43,054
legislative committee for the

2023
02:05:43,954 --> 02:05:47,714
error here. This was discussed in the Parks and Recreation Committee and not the

2024
02:05:47,754 --> 02:05:49,114
Legislative Committee.

2025
02:05:50,314 --> 02:05:54,214
I don't have the dates in front of me, but I think it was the same ones, the July

2026
02:05:54,274 --> 02:05:55,374
and August meetings.

2027
02:05:59,754 --> 02:06:00,434
City manager.

2028
02:06:01,334 --> 02:06:02,754
So in answer to

2029
02:06:04,694 --> 02:06:08,394
Lee's question earlier, although I don't think he hung

2030
02:06:08,414 --> 02:06:08,814
around.

2031
02:06:10,834 --> 02:06:12,914
Sorry, I missed

2032
02:06:13,914 --> 02:06:14,594
him. All right.

2033
02:06:16,634 --> 02:06:18,734
If you read through the current code,

2034
02:06:19,614 --> 02:06:23,604
community center can sometimes refer to the Besty Ross,

2035
02:06:23,694 --> 02:06:25,274
sometimes it refers to Proulx.

2036
02:06:26,294 --> 02:06:29,814
This is to standardize and get it all through to make sure that we're talking about

2037
02:06:29,854 --> 02:06:33,094
parks and rec assets and not certain city buildings.

2038
02:06:33,914 --> 02:06:37,474
Again, it's a clarification for code, trying to clean stuff up and do some

2039
02:06:37,514 --> 02:06:38,053
housekeeping.

2040
02:06:38,914 --> 02:06:39,553
I

2041
02:06:41,154 --> 02:06:44,874
would ask the Parks and Rec committee, but these are no major muscle

2042
02:06:44,954 --> 02:06:48,314
movements. It's all housekeeping and making our code read cleaner.

2043
02:06:53,014 --> 02:06:53,894
Councilor Carrier.

2044
02:06:55,634 --> 02:06:59,274
Thank you. So should we then also change the title of chapter

2045
02:06:59,414 --> 02:07:01,454
309 to Parks and Rec Assets?

2046
02:07:08,894 --> 02:07:09,534
I have a comment.

2047
02:07:09,934 --> 02:07:12,404
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

2048
02:07:12,514 --> 02:07:16,454
I think that that would make sense for the chapter

2049
02:07:16,494 --> 02:07:18,054
to have the appropriate title.

2050
02:07:28,014 --> 02:07:29,514
I have a quick comment.

2051
02:07:30,894 --> 02:07:32,454
Councilor Jacobson.

2052
02:07:33,594 --> 02:07:34,194
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2053
02:07:36,274 --> 02:07:39,694
Councilor Carrier, is that a friendly amendment to change this for the motion?

2054
02:07:42,194 --> 02:07:42,854
Absolutely.

2055
02:07:44,834 --> 02:07:45,174
Thank you.

2056
02:07:48,054 --> 02:07:48,774
City manager.

2057
02:07:52,174 --> 02:07:54,614
So as a point of order, friendly amendments come to the chair.

2058
02:07:55,614 --> 02:07:59,384
Although, again, when we get to later in here, we'll talk about Robert's rules a

2059
02:07:59,434 --> 02:07:59,754
little bit.

2060
02:08:02,394 --> 02:08:05,514
If we're using a friendly amendment policy, the chair would then ask if there are

2061
02:08:05,554 --> 02:08:06,494
any objections to it.

2062
02:08:09,894 --> 02:08:13,754
Are there any objections to the friendly amendment to the motion that

2063
02:08:13,774 --> 02:08:14,274
was made?

2064
02:08:20,994 --> 02:08:24,264
I don't see any. Any more discussion on this motion?

2065
02:08:28,258 --> 02:08:29,498
Councilor Dunstan

2066
02:08:30,678 --> 02:08:33,998
In actuality, I don't see where we have to have a friendly amendment because

2067
02:08:35,658 --> 02:08:39,498
the motion reads, "I move Franklin City Council of City of Franklin remove

2068
02:08:39,578 --> 02:08:43,438
references to community center in Chapter 309 of the city

2069
02:08:43,518 --> 02:08:46,808
policy, and replace it with parks and recreation assets."

2070
02:08:47,858 --> 02:08:50,038
So I don't think it's a friendly amendment.

2071
02:08:50,178 --> 02:08:50,438
I think it

2072
02:08:51,418 --> 02:08:53,218
should've been done to begin with.

2073
02:08:58,678 --> 02:09:00,218
Any more discussion on this?

2074
02:09:02,338 --> 02:09:03,438
Councilor Carrier.

2075
02:09:04,798 --> 02:09:08,598
I would ask your advice on the best course of action.

2076
02:09:08,658 --> 02:09:12,398
Should we remove or rescind the friendly

2077
02:09:12,438 --> 02:09:12,938
amendment?

2078
02:09:14,538 --> 02:09:15,618
And it has a city manager.

2079
02:09:18,238 --> 02:09:19,018
City manager.

2080
02:09:19,278 --> 02:09:22,398
So I would say the amendment as put in clarifies.

2081
02:09:22,818 --> 02:09:24,998
It doesn't change the meaning, and

2082
02:09:26,338 --> 02:09:28,838
we would cause more headache trying to take it back out at this point.

2083
02:09:29,698 --> 02:09:32,738
We're fine. I would say we should just vote on the question. My two cents.

2084
02:09:36,578 --> 02:09:37,618
Any more discussion?

2085
02:09:39,138 --> 02:09:42,358
If not, I will take a roll call vote on the motion.

2086
02:09:44,278 --> 02:09:45,258
Councilor Johnston.

2087
02:09:48,438 --> 02:09:48,718
Yes.

2088
02:09:50,598 --> 02:09:51,678
Councilor Jacobson.

2089
02:09:53,958 --> 02:09:54,198
Yes.

2090
02:09:57,478 --> 02:09:58,338
Councilor Priebe.

2091
02:09:59,198 --> 02:09:59,578
Yes.

2092
02:10:01,078 --> 02:10:01,898
Councilor Forge.

2093
02:10:02,938 --> 02:10:03,198
Yes.

2094
02:10:04,778 --> 02:10:05,538
Councilor Warner.

2095
02:10:06,258 --> 02:10:06,538
Yes.

2096
02:10:07,798 --> 02:10:08,738
Councilor Hallett Cook.

2097
02:10:09,398 --> 02:10:09,738
Yes.

2098
02:10:12,598 --> 02:10:13,418
Councilor Carrier.

2099
02:10:14,618 --> 02:10:14,858
Yes.

2100
02:10:16,918 --> 02:10:17,678
Councilor Boyce.

2101
02:10:18,198 --> 02:10:18,478
Yes.

2102
02:10:21,778 --> 02:10:23,798
The motion passes with eight votes.

2103
02:10:28,258 --> 02:10:30,338
We will now move on to

2104
02:10:31,518 --> 02:10:33,438
agenda number nine.

2105
02:10:43,358 --> 02:10:46,208
Council, to consider public hearing,

2106
02:10:48,798 --> 02:10:49,998
Chapter 31.

2107
02:11:00,518 --> 02:11:02,938
Go ahead. I'm sorry, Councilor Warner.

2108
02:11:04,378 --> 02:11:07,878
I move to accept the revisions to Chapter 31 of the city code as

2109
02:11:07,938 --> 02:11:10,298
described in the attachment to this report.

2110
02:11:11,318 --> 02:11:11,658
Second.

2111
02:11:12,858 --> 02:11:16,818
A motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

2112
02:11:17,038 --> 02:11:17,838
Councilor Warner.

2113
02:11:18,838 --> 02:11:22,498
Yeah, one reason that I voted to move this from the legislative committee to bring

2114
02:11:22,518 --> 02:11:25,958
it before the council is to discuss the, I believe it's of

2115
02:11:27,338 --> 02:11:30,978
great importance that we realize we are removing the requirement to

2116
02:11:31,078 --> 02:11:31,478
post

2117
02:11:32,398 --> 02:11:35,218
notice of public hearings at a local newspaper.

2118
02:11:35,538 --> 02:11:35,598
I

2119
02:11:37,238 --> 02:11:38,838
have tremendous reservations about this.

2120
02:11:39,038 --> 02:11:42,838
I, at this point, am willing to hear my fellow councilors

2121
02:11:44,318 --> 02:11:47,878
on this issue, but I think that we need to be very

2122
02:11:48,838 --> 02:11:52,778
circumspect in our consideration of removing the

2123
02:11:52,818 --> 02:11:55,138
requirement to post at a local newspaper.

2124
02:11:55,338 --> 02:11:57,758
I realize it's a $300

2125
02:11:58,678 --> 02:12:00,018
per hearing cost,

2126
02:12:01,118 --> 02:12:01,478
but,

2127
02:12:03,738 --> 02:12:07,468
I'm upset by that. I'm also upset by the fact that I don't believe we've

2128
02:12:07,558 --> 02:12:10,538
actually been following this requirement for some time.

2129
02:12:13,798 --> 02:12:14,698
Councilor Carrier.

2130
02:12:16,238 --> 02:12:16,858
Thank you.

2131
02:12:19,878 --> 02:12:23,698
I guess posting in newspapers nowadays is probably a lot less effective than it

2132
02:12:23,738 --> 02:12:25,757
was when this was originally written.

2133
02:12:27,218 --> 02:12:27,598
My

2134
02:12:28,438 --> 02:12:31,758
question in reading through the revisions is essentially,

2135
02:12:33,598 --> 02:12:37,518
how do we define posted, as in these

2136
02:12:37,538 --> 02:12:41,518
notices need to be posted. But, we have currently had

2137
02:12:42,558 --> 02:12:46,468
the assumption that posted means is posted in two public locations on a piece of

2138
02:12:46,538 --> 02:12:47,918
paper hanging on a bulletin board,

2139
02:12:49,038 --> 02:12:52,678
and on the city website. So if there

2140
02:12:52,758 --> 02:12:56,738
are more effective ways of getting the

2141
02:12:56,758 --> 02:12:59,018
information out to the public, which is the intent,

2142
02:13:00,038 --> 02:13:00,658
how should we

2143
02:13:02,278 --> 02:13:05,138
proceed with defining posted?

2144
02:13:08,918 --> 02:13:09,818
Councilor Priebe.

2145
02:13:11,218 --> 02:13:11,978
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2146
02:13:14,718 --> 02:13:18,318
Every day when I swing by, I pick up a Laconia

2147
02:13:18,438 --> 02:13:18,718
Sun.

2148
02:13:19,898 --> 02:13:20,298
In there

2149
02:13:21,338 --> 02:13:24,938
is a whole bunch of publications to other cities in the area.

2150
02:13:25,718 --> 02:13:27,518
It goes right along with the inventorial page.

2151
02:13:27,698 --> 02:13:30,338
It's a free paper, so I'm not paying anything.

2152
02:13:31,698 --> 02:13:32,358
It's there,

2153
02:13:33,338 --> 02:13:37,038
and taking and removing this from that

2154
02:13:37,098 --> 02:13:40,878
small paper, which is a small paper for us in this area.

2155
02:13:40,918 --> 02:13:44,778
I'm not trying to promote the Laconia Sun, but it's free.

2156
02:13:45,158 --> 02:13:48,818
People pick it up all the time. It's everywhere.

2157
02:13:49,898 --> 02:13:50,208
And to

2158
02:13:51,058 --> 02:13:53,458
remove this from a local paper,

2159
02:13:54,718 --> 02:13:56,098
people don't have computers.

2160
02:13:56,938 --> 02:14:00,818
I'm not on my computer every day. I constantly have to bother Brenda to find

2161
02:14:00,858 --> 02:14:04,378
out what's going on some days. But in here is the local

2162
02:14:04,498 --> 02:14:06,678
paper. You open it up, you read it.

2163
02:14:07,778 --> 02:14:10,008
It's there. And to remove that

2164
02:14:11,378 --> 02:14:14,548
is going to not allow someone

2165
02:14:15,618 --> 02:14:19,078
to have local communications with their local government.

2166
02:14:19,658 --> 02:14:23,198
Be very careful of that, because once you start down that slippery slope,

2167
02:14:24,078 --> 02:14:25,418
it'll lead to other things,

2168
02:14:26,818 --> 02:14:30,258
and closing the loop is something you folks don't want us to do.

2169
02:14:32,502 --> 02:14:33,122
I have a comment.

2170
02:14:35,082 --> 02:14:36,462
Councilor Jacobson.

2171
02:14:38,022 --> 02:14:38,722
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2172
02:14:39,602 --> 02:14:41,772
Once again, this came before the legislative committee,

2173
02:14:43,042 --> 02:14:46,202
and we spoke about it for, it's probably about an hour,

2174
02:14:47,162 --> 02:14:48,002
maybe

2175
02:14:48,842 --> 02:14:50,822
75 minutes. It was a long meeting.

2176
02:14:52,522 --> 02:14:56,502
Anyway, the issues that you're bringing up, Councilor Warner and Councilor Privy,

2177
02:14:56,562 --> 02:14:58,702
are exactly what we discussed there.

2178
02:14:59,362 --> 02:15:02,982
We didn't really come to a resolution other than this

2179
02:15:03,242 --> 02:15:07,202
requirement for posting in the newspaper, I don't think is as effective

2180
02:15:07,662 --> 02:15:10,462
as, Councilor Privy, you're describing.

2181
02:15:10,942 --> 02:15:13,782
And the reason I say that is not because folks don't

2182
02:15:14,582 --> 02:15:14,922
pick up the

2183
02:15:15,902 --> 02:15:18,322
Laconia Daily Sun, for instance. Some people don't.

2184
02:15:18,442 --> 02:15:22,382
But rather that posting in the paper

2185
02:15:22,482 --> 02:15:26,302
only puts it for one day's worth of circulation, unless we

2186
02:15:26,342 --> 02:15:30,302
pay for it to go multiple days. And so now you're playing a game

2187
02:15:30,362 --> 02:15:34,222
that's not only do you need to pick up a paper, but you need to pick up the

2188
02:15:34,242 --> 02:15:38,082
right paper on the right day to see that notice that's required

2189
02:15:38,102 --> 02:15:41,402
by this. Which I think does not represent the spirit of

2190
02:15:41,442 --> 02:15:43,792
communication that we have in this city,

2191
02:15:45,122 --> 02:15:48,202
and that follows the purpose of this ordinance.

2192
02:15:48,902 --> 02:15:50,202
I said then, and I'd say it again,

2193
02:15:51,882 --> 02:15:55,262
the purpose of this is not to hide what the city council is

2194
02:15:55,302 --> 02:15:59,132
doing. Rather, it's to enable the city

2195
02:15:59,162 --> 02:16:01,822
to post in areas that meet people where they are.

2196
02:16:02,362 --> 02:16:04,322
That might mean posting it

2197
02:16:05,182 --> 02:16:08,882
on a paper in the clerk's office. It might mean sending an email blast

2198
02:16:08,962 --> 02:16:12,572
out. It might mean putting it on the electronic sign, as we have for some public

2199
02:16:12,622 --> 02:16:16,302
hearings. All of those are on the table, but this is a

2200
02:16:16,442 --> 02:16:19,782
restriction that is not necessary, in my opinion.

2201
02:16:22,942 --> 02:16:23,902
Councilor Hallett Cook.

2202
02:16:27,642 --> 02:16:31,422
Thank you. Just a quick question, and that is, have we been posting it

2203
02:16:31,542 --> 02:16:33,442
in the Laconia Sun

2204
02:16:34,263 --> 02:16:36,442
in the recent past?

2205
02:16:37,642 --> 02:16:38,462
City manager.

2206
02:16:38,862 --> 02:16:39,183
So,

2207
02:16:40,802 --> 02:16:43,683
I've been told to stop saying "so." I apologize.

2208
02:16:44,222 --> 02:16:48,162
The answer to that is yes and no. When the state required it to be posted in the

2209
02:16:48,222 --> 02:16:50,042
paper, it has been posted in the paper.

2210
02:16:51,502 --> 02:16:55,222
My predecessor, the interim manager, was not doing it, and I

2211
02:16:55,263 --> 02:16:57,962
continued the process of that. And then I found this

2212
02:16:58,982 --> 02:17:02,142
in here, and part of the reason

2213
02:17:02,642 --> 02:17:06,632
I had sent it to the legislative committee was striking it was

2214
02:17:06,642 --> 02:17:10,263
because we had not been doing it. Going back in history, it does appear

2215
02:17:10,462 --> 02:17:10,742
that

2216
02:17:13,183 --> 02:17:17,103
City Manager Milner was doing it. I am happy to pick up the process again.

2217
02:17:17,742 --> 02:17:19,423
However, as stated earlier,

2218
02:17:20,382 --> 02:17:24,103
it is approximately somewhere between $80 and $100 per

2219
02:17:24,162 --> 02:17:24,562
notice.

2220
02:17:25,523 --> 02:17:29,423
I can tell you we've spent almost $600 for the two public hearings

2221
02:17:29,462 --> 02:17:32,632
that we had tonight, because we've had to notice them twice.

2222
02:17:33,882 --> 02:17:37,742
It is not inexpensive. Oh, no, by the way, we set a public hearing

2223
02:17:37,782 --> 02:17:38,622
tonight.

2224
02:17:39,902 --> 02:17:43,763
It's not inexpensive to do that, which is

2225
02:17:43,802 --> 02:17:45,802
really the reason we were discussing it.

2226
02:17:46,023 --> 02:17:49,752
I agree with Councilor Jacobson. If we would like to replace it with

2227
02:17:49,802 --> 02:17:53,603
something that I think would actually receive or be received

2228
02:17:53,722 --> 02:17:57,532
more than the newspaper would, I would highly encourage that,

2229
02:17:57,622 --> 02:18:00,622
because the intent is not to prevent it from being circulated.

2230
02:18:01,122 --> 02:18:04,982
It's actually to circulate it in a way that could potentially save the

2231
02:18:05,002 --> 02:18:08,362
city money, in the same time actually get it in the hands of people.

2232
02:18:08,942 --> 02:18:12,042
I don't know what the current circulation of the Laconia Sun is.

2233
02:18:13,322 --> 02:18:16,792
Councilor Privy, you're right, it is a free paper, but it's not free to post things

2234
02:18:16,843 --> 02:18:20,202
in. So, that's where the city was.

2235
02:18:21,023 --> 02:18:24,902
If this council says put it back in, I will absolutely,

2236
02:18:25,242 --> 02:18:29,042
indeed, every meeting from this point forward, public hearing will be

2237
02:18:29,062 --> 02:18:29,482
posted.

2238
02:18:31,343 --> 02:18:32,183
Councilor Warner.

2239
02:18:33,353 --> 02:18:34,343
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2240
02:18:37,642 --> 02:18:40,002
We have an upcoming item on this agenda

2241
02:18:41,722 --> 02:18:45,642
that's almost identical to this. It's talking about the posting in

2242
02:18:45,662 --> 02:18:46,402
the newspaper.

2243
02:18:47,582 --> 02:18:50,302
I'm not nearly as concerned about that as I am about this.

2244
02:18:51,183 --> 02:18:51,423
This

2245
02:18:52,242 --> 02:18:53,603
is regarding

2246
02:18:54,542 --> 02:18:58,263
public hearings where there are seven days notice for a public

2247
02:18:58,273 --> 02:19:02,202
hearing. If someone doesn't hear about that in the seven days

2248
02:19:02,263 --> 02:19:05,263
preceding the public hearing, they miss the public hearing.

2249
02:19:05,362 --> 02:19:07,082
I think that's a tremendous shortfall in our

2250
02:19:08,763 --> 02:19:10,442
efforts to be transparent.

2251
02:19:11,282 --> 02:19:11,382
I

2252
02:19:12,502 --> 02:19:15,183
am more than willing to look at that.

2253
02:19:17,263 --> 02:19:21,183
Getting feedback that tells me we have an email blast or some sort of

2254
02:19:21,222 --> 02:19:25,042
system in place that's reaching a significant proportion of people

2255
02:19:25,082 --> 02:19:26,082
within the community,

2256
02:19:26,962 --> 02:19:29,242
but I'm not seeing that at this point.

2257
02:19:29,343 --> 02:19:33,162
I've asked the questions, and we're not able to get the metrics

2258
02:19:33,582 --> 02:19:36,042
that tell us how many people receive the email blasts.

2259
02:19:37,982 --> 02:19:41,683
I don't know how many people walk by the bulletin board in the

2260
02:19:41,742 --> 02:19:45,322
library on a daily basis, but I have a feeling it's not a great number.

2261
02:19:46,322 --> 02:19:48,842
And so,

2262
02:19:51,202 --> 02:19:53,282
how many people are on Facebook? We can put it on Facebook.

2263
02:19:53,342 --> 02:19:57,242
I guarantee you, that's not the majority of the people in Franklin, regardless

2264
02:19:57,262 --> 02:19:58,862
of how it feels sometimes.

2265
02:20:04,522 --> 02:20:04,742
I

2266
02:20:05,802 --> 02:20:07,722
really wasn't trying to be humorous at this.

2267
02:20:07,922 --> 02:20:11,442
I just think that we need to be very careful in

2268
02:20:12,002 --> 02:20:14,042
shooting this horse before its time.

2269
02:20:15,042 --> 02:20:18,882
And I advocate for keeping the

2270
02:20:19,542 --> 02:20:22,342
public notice in the newspaper, at least for the time being.

2271
02:20:23,522 --> 02:20:25,902
It's not like I'm an old guy that

2272
02:20:26,882 --> 02:20:30,642
is afraid of change. I'm an old guy that really wants to see some

2273
02:20:30,702 --> 02:20:32,702
change. This is

2274
02:20:34,874 --> 02:20:35,994
I believe we

2275
02:20:37,814 --> 02:20:40,934
owe it to the people that they have access to that

2276
02:20:40,974 --> 02:20:44,634
information. And I don't know how many people, I know a lot of the people here are

2277
02:20:44,674 --> 02:20:45,794
very conversant

2278
02:20:47,194 --> 02:20:49,794
in social media and email and things like that.

2279
02:20:50,354 --> 02:20:54,244
The people sitting in this room, they obviously watch these things and

2280
02:20:54,254 --> 02:20:57,774
they watch what's going on. But I have neighbors that are like,

2281
02:20:58,564 --> 02:21:01,674
"Oh, you're on the city council? Oh, I've been your neighbor for

2282
02:21:03,174 --> 02:21:05,994
20 years, and I've been on the city council for over a year and a half." They don't

2283
02:21:06,014 --> 02:21:07,534
know. So it's

2284
02:21:10,154 --> 02:21:13,454
I just think we owe it to our constituency

2285
02:21:14,454 --> 02:21:18,434
to at least look at migrating to something

2286
02:21:18,494 --> 02:21:21,934
better, not just dropping this, not just shooting this horse dead on the spot.

2287
02:21:23,834 --> 02:21:24,894
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

2288
02:21:28,394 --> 02:21:30,454
I agree that we can't just drop

2289
02:21:31,694 --> 02:21:35,484
that idea of notice. However, we also don't have

2290
02:21:35,534 --> 02:21:38,764
the funds to be putting it in the newspaper.

2291
02:21:40,354 --> 02:21:44,074
So I would suggest that we look at things like the

2292
02:21:44,134 --> 02:21:46,444
electronic signs that are out there,

2293
02:21:47,274 --> 02:21:50,354
and maybe do some brainstorming around other

2294
02:21:50,394 --> 02:21:54,184
places that we can put this

2295
02:21:54,234 --> 02:21:58,074
that might have a better reach than the newspaper without costing

2296
02:21:58,654 --> 02:21:59,634
the city the money.

2297
02:22:01,194 --> 02:22:01,874
I have a comment.

2298
02:22:02,574 --> 02:22:03,274
Councilor Warner.

2299
02:22:04,174 --> 02:22:07,974
Yes, I agree with that, Councilor Hallock-Cook, and that's

2300
02:22:08,014 --> 02:22:08,914
exactly what I'm saying.

2301
02:22:09,814 --> 02:22:11,174
But I think we should keep this

2302
02:22:12,194 --> 02:22:14,333
until we come up with what she's talking about.

2303
02:22:14,774 --> 02:22:17,724
Yes, we should do those things, and we've been saying we should do those things for

2304
02:22:17,774 --> 02:22:18,874
some time. They're not done.

2305
02:22:20,974 --> 02:22:21,974
Councilor Jacobson.

2306
02:22:23,234 --> 02:22:26,654
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. One of the other ideas that was kind of batted around at the

2307
02:22:26,694 --> 02:22:29,994
legislative, and this will be familiar, I think, to Councilor Warner's concerns

2308
02:22:30,054 --> 02:22:33,954
here, is the pairing of this operation with the establishment of

2309
02:22:33,964 --> 02:22:36,024
a policy by the city manager.

2310
02:22:37,074 --> 02:22:39,114
And the policy choice there is

2311
02:22:40,274 --> 02:22:44,194
intentional because it's flexible, and allows

2312
02:22:44,234 --> 02:22:48,144
the city manager to adapt posting to ways

2313
02:22:48,234 --> 02:22:48,854
when the

2314
02:22:49,854 --> 02:22:53,654
city manager gets new data that says that the signs are really working or that the

2315
02:22:53,664 --> 02:22:56,224
email blasts are working, they can kind of flex more into that

2316
02:22:57,954 --> 02:22:59,954
as a potential way to augment

2317
02:23:01,734 --> 02:23:02,734
this code.

2318
02:23:07,894 --> 02:23:08,534
Councilor Warner.

2319
02:23:09,994 --> 02:23:12,394
So in the meantime, my question is,

2320
02:23:13,434 --> 02:23:17,334
are we going to continue to do notice in the Laconia Daily Sun?

2321
02:23:25,614 --> 02:23:26,494
Councilor Carrier.

2322
02:23:28,354 --> 02:23:31,294
I essentially agree with Councilor Warner here.

2323
02:23:31,774 --> 02:23:32,274
Without

2324
02:23:33,234 --> 02:23:34,874
a clear definition of

2325
02:23:36,374 --> 02:23:40,014
where and how we're going to post and get the information out, I would not want

2326
02:23:40,094 --> 02:23:40,374
to

2327
02:23:42,894 --> 02:23:46,794
change the process, and I suggest we send this back to legislative maybe for

2328
02:23:46,834 --> 02:23:49,054
some more definition in that

2329
02:23:50,274 --> 02:23:50,594
area,

2330
02:23:51,794 --> 02:23:53,434
and we can come back with some more clarity.

2331
02:23:56,574 --> 02:23:57,614
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

2332
02:24:01,474 --> 02:24:05,214
I agree with both what Councilor Carrier and

2333
02:24:05,554 --> 02:24:08,494
Councilor Warner have said. Concern again is

2334
02:24:09,354 --> 02:24:12,154
we haven't been doing this. This is...

2335
02:24:12,974 --> 02:24:14,334
Right? I mean, that's what...

2336
02:24:16,394 --> 02:24:17,934
And this is a cost.

2337
02:24:20,174 --> 02:24:23,954
Maybe we modify this at this

2338
02:24:23,994 --> 02:24:27,214
point to say, "Okay, we all agree that these are the locations."

2339
02:24:30,194 --> 02:24:30,914
City manager.

2340
02:24:31,254 --> 02:24:33,094
So I'll agree, we haven't been doing this.

2341
02:24:33,154 --> 02:24:35,534
It was out of ignorance, not out of malice.

2342
02:24:36,094 --> 02:24:40,034
As of tonight, if we send this back to legislative, I will start following the

2343
02:24:40,054 --> 02:24:40,914
ordinance as written.

2344
02:24:41,754 --> 02:24:44,474
I just want to make that clear. It will be posted in the newspaper.

2345
02:24:45,134 --> 02:24:48,194
The

2346
02:24:49,614 --> 02:24:53,373
public hearing we set tonight will be posted in the newspaper seven days before

2347
02:24:53,674 --> 02:24:57,254
it happens. Until I'm directed otherwise, that will start happening

2348
02:24:57,294 --> 02:24:58,094
effective tonight.

2349
02:25:02,904 --> 02:25:03,774
Councilor Priebe.

2350
02:25:04,614 --> 02:25:08,114
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. How much do those electronic signs cost us to

2351
02:25:08,174 --> 02:25:08,674
operate?

2352
02:25:10,314 --> 02:25:11,354
Those things ain't cheap.

2353
02:25:12,454 --> 02:25:16,224
Every time they go down or repair, that's money that we have to really

2354
02:25:16,274 --> 02:25:16,734
cough up.

2355
02:25:19,314 --> 02:25:20,014
City manager.

2356
02:25:20,254 --> 02:25:23,014
So I don't have a report at my fingertips.

2357
02:25:23,154 --> 02:25:26,554
I have not heard of a repair we've had to make on them.

2358
02:25:27,654 --> 02:25:31,394
So I'll ask the MSD department how much we spent on them.

2359
02:25:31,494 --> 02:25:32,854
They were purchased with a grant,

2360
02:25:34,174 --> 02:25:38,154
so they didn't cost the city anything, and I need to find out if they're

2361
02:25:38,234 --> 02:25:41,394
actually run on gasoline or solar powered. I'm not sure.

2362
02:25:44,214 --> 02:25:44,974
Councilor Priebe.

2363
02:25:45,554 --> 02:25:46,294
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2364
02:25:48,314 --> 02:25:49,914
With the computer going down today,

2365
02:25:50,894 --> 02:25:54,674
that's all part of the computer. You send it on a computer, send it to that little

2366
02:25:54,714 --> 02:25:58,494
machine, or you send somebody over there to go ba-dink, ba-dink, ba-dink, and get

2367
02:25:58,514 --> 02:25:59,414
it up and running.

2368
02:26:00,894 --> 02:26:04,734
That's a personnel that you've now sent over, typed it in,

2369
02:26:04,934 --> 02:26:08,594
it comes up on it, and if it doesn't work for whatever reason,

2370
02:26:09,674 --> 02:26:13,194
here's where the paper, you send it to them,

2371
02:26:13,854 --> 02:26:17,814
they publicize it. Yes, it costs us money, but it's out there.

2372
02:26:17,874 --> 02:26:21,804
There's a transparency, the accountability for the citizens

2373
02:26:21,834 --> 02:26:23,034
of Franklin to see it.

2374
02:26:24,574 --> 02:26:25,294
City manager.

2375
02:26:25,954 --> 02:26:28,874
I would be remiss if I didn't point out the flaw in your logic.

2376
02:26:28,954 --> 02:26:32,533
If my computer's down, I can't send anything to the paper for them to publish.

2377
02:26:34,354 --> 02:26:37,664
So we want to send out the flag over here, "Hey, let's see."

2378
02:26:38,858 --> 02:26:42,318
I'm just saying it's happened one time in the entire time I've been the city

2379
02:26:42,398 --> 02:26:46,178
manager. It's not a recurring thing that my outlet goes down.

2380
02:26:46,838 --> 02:26:50,798
I would also argue that sending a city worker over to do our signs is a sunk

2381
02:26:50,858 --> 02:26:52,538
cost. We do that all the time anyway.

2382
02:26:53,058 --> 02:26:56,838
And I'm not advocating that we need to get rid of the

2383
02:26:56,878 --> 02:26:59,098
paper. If the council wants to keep it, that's great.

2384
02:26:59,218 --> 02:27:02,978
I would advocate we actually add the variable message

2385
02:27:03,058 --> 02:27:05,038
boards and some other methods to this as well.

2386
02:27:05,798 --> 02:27:09,058
91A indicates that it needs to be posted in two spots.

2387
02:27:09,118 --> 02:27:12,798
One of them can be the website. That's pretty much the guidance 91A

2388
02:27:12,878 --> 02:27:15,858
gives. Doesn't mean that the council can't add more sites.

2389
02:27:15,918 --> 02:27:19,838
And I'm all for public knowing and getting it out

2390
02:27:19,878 --> 02:27:23,778
to the public. I would just rather have ones that didn't actually cost the city

2391
02:27:23,818 --> 02:27:24,178
money.

2392
02:27:29,258 --> 02:27:30,198
Council Forge.

2393
02:27:31,818 --> 02:27:34,378
Is everybody ready to table this one? Move on?

2394
02:27:39,278 --> 02:27:39,378
I-

2395
02:27:39,798 --> 02:27:41,078
City manager.

2396
02:27:41,138 --> 02:27:44,778
So point of order, I would recommend we not table it, as it's very

2397
02:27:44,898 --> 02:27:46,958
difficult to get things back off the table.

2398
02:27:47,558 --> 02:27:48,198
However,

2399
02:27:49,878 --> 02:27:52,858
we can actually either vote to

2400
02:27:53,278 --> 02:27:56,658
postpone this vote, or we can move to actually send it back to

2401
02:27:56,678 --> 02:27:59,658
legislative, as it's not ready to be voted on tonight.

2402
02:28:02,958 --> 02:28:04,318
Councillor Forge.

2403
02:28:04,818 --> 02:28:08,598
Thank you. I move to send this back to legislative if we're not

2404
02:28:08,638 --> 02:28:09,838
ready to vote on this tonight.

2405
02:28:10,498 --> 02:28:10,878
Second.

2406
02:28:11,798 --> 02:28:15,558
A motion has been made and seconded. Any more discussion?

2407
02:28:17,098 --> 02:28:18,218
Councillor Hallett Cook.

2408
02:28:20,938 --> 02:28:23,118
Again, just me looking for clarity.

2409
02:28:23,658 --> 02:28:27,518
If we send this back, then the current

2410
02:28:27,938 --> 02:28:31,318
Chapter 31 that says the newspaper shall be...

2411
02:28:32,298 --> 02:28:35,958
We'll go back to what you are following. Correct? Okay.

2412
02:28:36,218 --> 02:28:36,418
Thank you.

2413
02:28:36,478 --> 02:28:36,937
Absolutely.

2414
02:28:39,058 --> 02:28:42,918
Any more discussion on this?

2415
02:28:43,078 --> 02:28:44,358
Uh, Councillor Johnston.

2416
02:28:45,638 --> 02:28:47,977
I just need a point of clarification.

2417
02:28:48,638 --> 02:28:52,498
Are we going to be voting on the motion that we read or the motion

2418
02:28:52,558 --> 02:28:55,498
that he just made? So that's two motion.

2419
02:28:57,458 --> 02:28:58,138
City manager.

2420
02:28:58,198 --> 02:29:01,898
So as a point of order, a motion to send something back

2421
02:29:02,898 --> 02:29:06,768
back to committee or to the legislative can be done on a motion that's

2422
02:29:06,838 --> 02:29:07,478
on the table.

2423
02:29:10,598 --> 02:29:11,698
Superceded.

2424
02:29:14,198 --> 02:29:15,167
Any more discussion?

2425
02:29:16,118 --> 02:29:17,828
If not, roll call vote.

2426
02:29:19,978 --> 02:29:20,958
Councillor Johnston.

2427
02:29:21,978 --> 02:29:22,198
Yes.

2428
02:29:24,098 --> 02:29:25,198
Councillor Jacobson.

2429
02:29:26,318 --> 02:29:26,598
Yes.

2430
02:29:28,178 --> 02:29:29,178
Councillor Previq.

2431
02:29:30,158 --> 02:29:30,518
Yes.

2432
02:29:31,558 --> 02:29:32,358
Councillor Forge.

2433
02:29:33,358 --> 02:29:33,618
Yes.

2434
02:29:34,638 --> 02:29:35,438
Councillor Warner.

2435
02:29:36,398 --> 02:29:36,578
Yes.

2436
02:29:37,998 --> 02:29:39,078
Councillor Hallett Cook.

2437
02:29:40,978 --> 02:29:41,378
Yes.

2438
02:29:42,638 --> 02:29:43,458
Councillor Carey.

2439
02:29:44,418 --> 02:29:44,718
Yes.

2440
02:29:46,818 --> 02:29:47,658
Councillor Boyce.

2441
02:29:48,118 --> 02:29:48,318
Yes.

2442
02:29:51,498 --> 02:29:52,618
The motion passes

2443
02:29:53,898 --> 02:29:54,838
by eight votes.

2444
02:29:56,438 --> 02:29:57,758
We will now move on to

2445
02:29:59,118 --> 02:29:59,678
agenda

2446
02:30:01,738 --> 02:30:02,198
10.

2447
02:30:13,598 --> 02:30:17,078
Council, to consider ordinance revision

2448
02:30:19,118 --> 02:30:20,638
for Chapter 68.

2449
02:30:26,018 --> 02:30:26,638
I have a motion.

2450
02:30:28,038 --> 02:30:29,078
Councillor Jacobson.

2451
02:30:30,838 --> 02:30:34,598
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to accept the revisions in Chapter 68 of the city code

2452
02:30:34,658 --> 02:30:36,518
as described in the attachment to this report.

2453
02:30:42,578 --> 02:30:43,458
Do we have a second?

2454
02:30:46,438 --> 02:30:46,778
Second.

2455
02:30:49,958 --> 02:30:52,828
A motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

2456
02:30:54,898 --> 02:30:55,637
City manager.

2457
02:30:56,137 --> 02:30:58,628
So with all the ordinance changes we've talked about tonight, we probably should

2458
02:30:58,637 --> 02:30:59,598
have done this one first.

2459
02:31:00,918 --> 02:31:01,358
However,

2460
02:31:02,418 --> 02:31:06,038
this is to clarify how

2461
02:31:06,118 --> 02:31:08,918
ordinances get changed by this body.

2462
02:31:11,178 --> 02:31:14,718
One of the things to point out is that in the past, we have not been doing it

2463
02:31:14,758 --> 02:31:18,658
correctly, or we at least have not been doing it as it was written down.

2464
02:31:24,918 --> 02:31:28,798
Under the changes that I did propose to legislative and they sent forward,

2465
02:31:29,698 --> 02:31:32,358
a change can be presented to the city council.

2466
02:31:33,358 --> 02:31:37,098
It should be read in its entirety, the first time, unless

2467
02:31:37,198 --> 02:31:39,158
that is waived by the council.

2468
02:31:40,938 --> 02:31:44,678
If it is not approved by unanimous vote the first time it's

2469
02:31:44,698 --> 02:31:46,897
brought to the council, it gets sent to legislative.

2470
02:31:47,778 --> 02:31:51,338
Some of the language here that I changed is the old

2471
02:31:51,398 --> 02:31:54,998
language says that legislative is supposed to return it to the council at the next

2472
02:31:55,058 --> 02:31:57,318
meeting. It doesn't give them any latitude.

2473
02:31:57,418 --> 02:32:00,898
Essentially, anything sent to legislative or an ordinance sent to legislative

2474
02:32:00,918 --> 02:32:04,808
should trump the entire legislative's agenda and force them to

2475
02:32:04,858 --> 02:32:08,558
look at it to return it. The new language says that they can return it to the

2476
02:32:08,598 --> 02:32:12,078
council as soon as it's practical, giving them time to work it into their

2477
02:32:12,118 --> 02:32:12,638
agenda.

2478
02:32:15,618 --> 02:32:19,518
With exceptions in paragraph C, the ordinance can be passed at the meeting which

2479
02:32:19,578 --> 02:32:23,078
it was presented if all council members present and

2480
02:32:23,118 --> 02:32:26,638
participating remotely approve it for its first and final reading

2481
02:32:26,718 --> 02:32:27,538
unanimously.

2482
02:32:28,878 --> 02:32:32,258
In such case, no recommendation for legislative committee will be necessary.

2483
02:32:32,358 --> 02:32:35,918
Lacking that approval, no ordinance may be passed until the next council meeting,

2484
02:32:36,358 --> 02:32:40,278
meaning you can't debate and change an ordinance the first time it's presented at

2485
02:32:40,298 --> 02:32:44,098
the table. It has to go to legislative for update before anything can be

2486
02:32:44,138 --> 02:32:45,998
done. Our current, uh-

2487
02:32:47,158 --> 02:32:50,958
Ordinance does not require a public hearing, does not even consider a

2488
02:32:50,998 --> 02:32:53,078
public hearing for any type of ordinance change.

2489
02:32:53,778 --> 02:32:56,678
So I added section C for your consideration, that

2490
02:32:57,518 --> 02:33:01,138
public hearings must be held for land use, zoning, and historic

2491
02:33:01,198 --> 02:33:03,618
ordinances. All of that is in RSA.

2492
02:33:04,598 --> 02:33:08,558
And we have followed the RSAs when it is applicable or

2493
02:33:08,638 --> 02:33:12,558
when certain zoning boards or other bodies have met.

2494
02:33:14,218 --> 02:33:17,358
Public hearings are not required for the passage of standard ordinances, but the

2495
02:33:17,378 --> 02:33:20,998
city council should consider public interest and transparency when passing standard

2496
02:33:21,038 --> 02:33:24,758
ordinances and consider if a public forum or a public hearing is

2497
02:33:24,818 --> 02:33:25,058
needed.

2498
02:33:26,598 --> 02:33:30,298
The words both forum and hearing were intentionally put in there because a

2499
02:33:30,338 --> 02:33:34,267
hearing does have certain rules, as we've just discussed on the last item,

2500
02:33:34,808 --> 02:33:37,238
that are associated with it. A public forum does not.

2501
02:33:38,278 --> 02:33:42,218
There is no notice requirement, and in fact, you can have a public forum within 24

2502
02:33:42,278 --> 02:33:44,918
hours if it would be needed to do something quickly.

2503
02:33:45,818 --> 02:33:48,978
That doesn't mean that the public would be disregarded, but it would give the

2504
02:33:49,018 --> 02:33:52,358
council options to bring things forward if they needed to quickly.

2505
02:33:53,638 --> 02:33:56,538
Again, I am not trying to cut the public out.

2506
02:33:56,698 --> 02:33:58,398
I am all about inviting them along.

2507
02:33:58,978 --> 02:34:02,938
But I did want to point out that where we have forced ourselves

2508
02:34:02,958 --> 02:34:06,198
to have public hearings in the past, such as we did when we passed

2509
02:34:06,258 --> 02:34:09,978
the FEMA flood zone stuff earlier this year, the

2510
02:34:09,998 --> 02:34:12,738
ordinance did not require us to do that.

2511
02:34:18,458 --> 02:34:20,418
Any other discussion on this motion?

2512
02:34:24,798 --> 02:34:26,718
If not, I will take a roll call vote.

2513
02:34:28,178 --> 02:34:29,378
Councilor Jacobsen?

2514
02:34:32,658 --> 02:34:32,998
Yes.

2515
02:34:35,258 --> 02:34:36,128
Councilor Prevy?

2516
02:34:37,138 --> 02:34:37,438
No.

2517
02:34:40,138 --> 02:34:41,158
Councilor Forge?

2518
02:34:42,418 --> 02:34:42,698
Yes.

2519
02:34:44,378 --> 02:34:45,218
Councilor Warner?

2520
02:34:45,998 --> 02:34:46,298
Yes.

2521
02:34:48,158 --> 02:34:49,178
Councilor Hallard-Cook?

2522
02:34:50,298 --> 02:34:50,638
Yes.

2523
02:34:52,298 --> 02:34:53,198
Councilor Carrier?

2524
02:34:54,438 --> 02:34:54,738
Yes.

2525
02:34:56,598 --> 02:34:57,398
Councilor Boyce?

2526
02:34:58,678 --> 02:34:59,058
Yes.

2527
02:35:01,418 --> 02:35:02,458
Councilor Johnston?

2528
02:35:05,738 --> 02:35:06,118
Yes.

2529
02:35:09,878 --> 02:35:12,838
The motion passes with seven yeses and one no.

2530
02:35:19,738 --> 02:35:22,898
We will now move on to agenda item number 11,

2531
02:35:23,678 --> 02:35:27,498
council to consider Winnipesaukee River Basin Program

2532
02:35:28,498 --> 02:35:29,218
transition.

2533
02:35:38,658 --> 02:35:39,658
Councilor Johnston?

2534
02:35:41,398 --> 02:35:45,378
The movement Franklin City Council support the efforts to transition the

2535
02:35:45,398 --> 02:35:49,068
Winnipesaukee River Basin Program from the New Hampshire Department of

2536
02:35:49,118 --> 02:35:52,948
Environmental Services to a regional wastewater authority owned and

2537
02:35:52,998 --> 02:35:54,528
managed by the member communities.

2538
02:35:55,358 --> 02:35:56,098
Such support

2539
02:35:56,918 --> 02:36:00,838
will include city council authorizing council members, the city manager, and city

2540
02:36:00,978 --> 02:36:04,698
staff support and transition with any of the Franklin state

2541
02:36:04,778 --> 02:36:08,658
representatives and senators and when it is under consideration by

2542
02:36:08,758 --> 02:36:11,398
the study commission, the legislature, and the governor.

2543
02:36:12,218 --> 02:36:12,638
Second.

2544
02:36:13,858 --> 02:36:17,138
Motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

2545
02:36:18,258 --> 02:36:18,958
City manager.

2546
02:36:19,478 --> 02:36:22,798
So before a million questions get asked,

2547
02:36:23,158 --> 02:36:24,638
essentially this is

2548
02:36:25,678 --> 02:36:27,118
having the council consider

2549
02:36:28,038 --> 02:36:31,058
whether or not we want to have a voice in the future for this body.

2550
02:36:31,678 --> 02:36:35,558
There's been exactly one meeting of the Winnipesaukee River Basin Program

2551
02:36:35,638 --> 02:36:37,578
folks who want to set up the consortium.

2552
02:36:38,618 --> 02:36:40,558
It is a meeting of all the different cities.

2553
02:36:41,538 --> 02:36:45,478
What has been made evident is the Department of Environmental

2554
02:36:45,578 --> 02:36:49,438
Services no longer wishes to have high-level management of the

2555
02:36:49,478 --> 02:36:52,578
waste treatment facility that is here.

2556
02:36:53,088 --> 02:36:56,458
They are petitioning the state to find a different way to manage it.

2557
02:36:57,418 --> 02:37:01,178
So if the council does not approve this tonight, all this is, is saying we

2558
02:37:01,198 --> 02:37:05,118
want to support the study and let them know we're interested in working with

2559
02:37:05,178 --> 02:37:07,738
other cities to potentially have a voice going forward.

2560
02:37:08,238 --> 02:37:11,858
It does not commit us to anything. That body is not actually

2561
02:37:11,878 --> 02:37:14,838
defined yet. In fact, it's going to have to be worked out.

2562
02:37:15,438 --> 02:37:19,018
What this does is put the state on notice that says we would like to consider

2563
02:37:19,078 --> 02:37:22,938
having a voice in our own future when you do that study, and it

2564
02:37:22,998 --> 02:37:25,278
allows all the council, the mayor,

2565
02:37:25,348 --> 02:37:29,268
and city employees to discuss it

2566
02:37:29,298 --> 02:37:33,158
with our legislators and say that the city's perspective is

2567
02:37:33,218 --> 02:37:36,018
we would like to be considered to do this.

2568
02:37:37,698 --> 02:37:41,158
Again, we're not establishing anything yet, and in fact, the

2569
02:37:41,198 --> 02:37:45,058
rules for the committee, and how it would be governed have

2570
02:37:45,098 --> 02:37:49,038
not been established. First, the state has to agree that they

2571
02:37:49,058 --> 02:37:52,978
would consider allowing us to do such a thing, and then the city leaders are

2572
02:37:52,998 --> 02:37:55,998
going to get together and figure out exactly how that would happen.

2573
02:37:56,618 --> 02:38:00,318
The one thing that was agreed on at the meeting I did attend was that they wanted

2574
02:38:00,378 --> 02:38:03,898
to look toward a senatorial type of body

2575
02:38:04,378 --> 02:38:08,238
where each city, it was one city, one vote, so that the larger cities

2576
02:38:08,278 --> 02:38:11,818
could not basically dictate terms to the smaller towns.

2577
02:38:12,718 --> 02:38:16,178
And I apologize for rambling on. This is also not about the day-to-day

2578
02:38:16,278 --> 02:38:20,138
management of the facility. This is about the higher level strategic

2579
02:38:20,238 --> 02:38:20,758
management,

2580
02:38:21,998 --> 02:38:24,558
telling them what type of future plans,

2581
02:38:25,178 --> 02:38:28,478
approving types of improvements that the plan

2582
02:38:28,938 --> 02:38:30,818
makes or recommends that they want to make.

2583
02:38:31,698 --> 02:38:34,458
A lot of the background talked about the potential.

2584
02:38:34,878 --> 02:38:38,518
It talked about where there were some mismanagement or perceived mismanagement in

2585
02:38:38,558 --> 02:38:42,458
the past for projects that have been put forward that the state

2586
02:38:42,518 --> 02:38:46,508
has not really been managing or watching this closely,

2587
02:38:47,078 --> 02:38:50,418
or perhaps has endorsed them. I'm not 100% sure how that went

2588
02:38:50,498 --> 02:38:53,938
on. But this advisory board would then have some

2589
02:38:53,978 --> 02:38:57,758
say. Again, how much say would have to be defined by the state.

2590
02:38:58,310 --> 02:39:01,350
And how it would be said would have to be defined by state, and all that will need

2591
02:39:01,370 --> 02:39:04,990
to be worked out in the future. All this is, is a vote of the

2592
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:08,730
council tonight to say we would like to

2593
02:39:08,830 --> 02:39:12,430
agree with the group of cities and say we would potentially like to have a future

2594
02:39:12,450 --> 02:39:16,410
in how this is decided, and we would like to start working on what we

2595
02:39:16,430 --> 02:39:18,430
would like as that government body to be.

2596
02:39:19,090 --> 02:39:23,010
The alternative, if Franklin does not wish to join the coalition,

2597
02:39:23,630 --> 02:39:27,250
it will most likely not work because we are one of the larger

2598
02:39:27,290 --> 02:39:29,570
cities and municipalities that are in it.

2599
02:39:30,010 --> 02:39:33,990
So the rest of them, if Franklin goes its own way, probably will

2600
02:39:34,050 --> 02:39:36,250
not be able to form a coalition without us.

2601
02:39:37,670 --> 02:39:41,510
If that happens, or if we do nothing tonight, then

2602
02:39:41,550 --> 02:39:45,450
we basically are rolling the dice and allowing the state to define how they

2603
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:49,370
want to do new management over there, because DES has basically

2604
02:39:49,410 --> 02:39:51,129
said they don't want to do it anymore.

2605
02:39:51,790 --> 02:39:55,770
And given their time and opportunity for the state to come up with its own

2606
02:39:55,810 --> 02:39:59,690
good ideas, without city input, to me, does not seem

2607
02:39:59,730 --> 02:40:02,290
like a good idea to allow them to do.

2608
02:40:04,650 --> 02:40:05,670
Councilor Hallett Cook.

2609
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:09,490
Thank you.

2610
02:40:10,350 --> 02:40:12,670
Please tell me this is not the state shifting

2611
02:40:13,550 --> 02:40:16,060
their financial responsibility onto us.

2612
02:40:16,730 --> 02:40:20,310
If you're looking right now at

2613
02:40:21,530 --> 02:40:25,190
River Road or whatever, where they have paved it because it's a

2614
02:40:25,290 --> 02:40:29,130
state-owned road, because of the wastewater treatment plant

2615
02:40:29,210 --> 02:40:30,030
at the end of it.

2616
02:40:30,890 --> 02:40:32,870
That's not part of our urban compact.

2617
02:40:33,390 --> 02:40:37,330
I just don't want this to be some way of the state shifting

2618
02:40:38,430 --> 02:40:40,770
the money east to Franklin.

2619
02:40:42,310 --> 02:40:42,990
City manager.

2620
02:40:43,470 --> 02:40:46,950
So the paving of that road, at least as I understand it, and all of the fees

2621
02:40:46,970 --> 02:40:49,750
associated with this are part of the enterprise fund for the sewer.

2622
02:40:50,170 --> 02:40:51,150
So the state...

2623
02:40:55,310 --> 02:40:57,790
Well, if it's a state road, it's still going to be a state road, so that may be a

2624
02:40:57,830 --> 02:41:01,710
bad example. But as far as running the facility, as far as the

2625
02:41:02,150 --> 02:41:05,550
programs that have been suspended or turned out to be

2626
02:41:05,560 --> 02:41:09,390
non-buildable, all of that was paid for with enterprise money.

2627
02:41:09,470 --> 02:41:13,450
So when a $600,000 program comes off the

2628
02:41:13,490 --> 02:41:17,320
rails, then the sewer enterprise fund gets raised

2629
02:41:17,350 --> 02:41:19,990
across the board for all cities who use the facility.

2630
02:41:21,150 --> 02:41:24,710
So no, it should not be a shifting of the burden to the

2631
02:41:24,730 --> 02:41:28,510
cities. But again, that's something that we would like to have

2632
02:41:29,050 --> 02:41:32,710
not just Franklin, but Franklin and a group of our friends all watching

2633
02:41:33,030 --> 02:41:36,330
as hawks, because no city has an interest in accepting that burden.

2634
02:41:37,090 --> 02:41:40,390
I can tell you that other municipalities have had issues where

2635
02:41:41,390 --> 02:41:44,690
parts of their sewer system that should have been covered by state

2636
02:41:45,190 --> 02:41:45,790
repairs,

2637
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:50,890
the city has actually had to pick up the bill because the state is still deciding

2638
02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:52,790
on whether or not that should've been done.

2639
02:41:53,350 --> 02:41:56,550
And obviously, in the case of Meredith, they actually were

2640
02:41:57,170 --> 02:41:59,310
spilling sewage into the lake at one point.

2641
02:41:59,750 --> 02:42:02,630
They obviously fixed that as rapidly as they could.

2642
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:06,210
They're still waiting for the state to approve that it's a

2643
02:42:06,270 --> 02:42:08,050
state-funded project and reimburse them.

2644
02:42:08,690 --> 02:42:12,650
Again, that's the kind of thing that this board hopefully would be

2645
02:42:12,710 --> 02:42:16,450
able to circumvent or actually make sure

2646
02:42:16,510 --> 02:42:19,070
things that happened in a timely manner.

2647
02:42:19,150 --> 02:42:19,370
Again-

2648
02:42:24,650 --> 02:42:25,590
Council Warner.

2649
02:42:27,410 --> 02:42:27,610
Yeah.

2650
02:42:29,050 --> 02:42:31,770
Are we talking about some communities that are in the

2651
02:42:32,770 --> 02:42:32,890
P-

2652
02:42:40,930 --> 02:42:43,370
I didn't believe the number was that high, but I don't have the exact number.

2653
02:42:43,430 --> 02:42:45,950
But it's a significant number of communities, yes.

2654
02:42:47,650 --> 02:42:47,990
Okay.

2655
02:42:49,630 --> 02:42:52,830
I guess my concerns are just, voice we want to

2656
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:53,650
make.

2657
02:42:54,670 --> 02:42:58,170
We want to speak up, make sure we pay our fair share of the cost.

2658
02:43:00,070 --> 02:43:00,670
And I don't know,

2659
02:43:01,550 --> 02:43:01,890
with a

2660
02:43:03,230 --> 02:43:06,830
separate regional wastewater authority, is there any potential that this would end

2661
02:43:06,890 --> 02:43:10,370
up being a private organization, or is it going to be a

2662
02:43:10,570 --> 02:43:13,310
quasi-public kind of thing?

2663
02:43:15,189 --> 02:43:15,890
City manager.

2664
02:43:16,129 --> 02:43:19,430
So again, the part of that is to be determined by the state.

2665
02:43:19,530 --> 02:43:21,410
The state hasn't put out anything yet.

2666
02:43:21,620 --> 02:43:24,570
The desires of the one meeting I went to had nothing.

2667
02:43:24,910 --> 02:43:27,470
No one discussed any type of private co-

2668
02:43:27,890 --> 02:43:31,690
public partnership. It was entirely a

2669
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:35,430
public-run consortium for the entire management of the

2670
02:43:35,470 --> 02:43:39,420
facility. But if we leave it entirely up to the state, I have no idea what

2671
02:43:39,450 --> 02:43:41,790
the state will dictate to us.

2672
02:43:42,590 --> 02:43:42,980
Well, that

2673
02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:47,190
answers my... Well, it doesn't answer my question, but it's all we have.

2674
02:43:49,270 --> 02:43:52,290
Any other discussion on

2675
02:43:52,330 --> 02:43:55,110
this? Councilor Prevy.

2676
02:43:55,550 --> 02:43:55,950
Thank you,

2677
02:43:57,110 --> 02:43:57,710
Mr. Mayor.

2678
02:43:59,310 --> 02:44:00,130
Sounds like this

2679
02:44:01,970 --> 02:44:02,810
DES

2680
02:44:04,110 --> 02:44:07,410
mismanaged this so that they didn't want nothing to do with it.

2681
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:09,290
So they created the mess,

2682
02:44:10,170 --> 02:44:11,110
and eventually

2683
02:44:12,690 --> 02:44:16,430
the citizens of Franklin and other cities and towns

2684
02:44:17,090 --> 02:44:19,650
will have to pay for the whole mess-up that they did.

2685
02:44:20,250 --> 02:44:22,070
If they'd have just said that in the beginning,

2686
02:44:22,970 --> 02:44:26,790
maybe this wouldn't be so. But all they did was put as much legal jargon as they

2687
02:44:26,850 --> 02:44:30,470
can so that it confuses the average person.

2688
02:44:30,570 --> 02:44:30,920
And

2689
02:44:35,210 --> 02:44:38,790
2.5 million, 150, and then they only

2690
02:44:38,830 --> 02:44:41,210
granted 124 million.

2691
02:44:42,470 --> 02:44:43,630
Who was ahead of this?

2692
02:44:45,070 --> 02:44:45,990
Captain Kangaroo?

2693
02:44:49,550 --> 02:44:50,490
Councilor Johnston.

2694
02:44:51,110 --> 02:44:54,770
So I just want to say this. As far as taking this out of the state's hands and

2695
02:44:54,830 --> 02:44:58,600
putting it back into the city's hands, we maybe have some control over how

2696
02:44:58,630 --> 02:45:00,050
much we have to pay for sewer,

2697
02:45:01,170 --> 02:45:02,770
and not just keep raising and raising

2698
02:45:03,690 --> 02:45:05,530
every damn year. So

2699
02:45:06,610 --> 02:45:07,810
Let's call the question.

2700
02:45:12,490 --> 02:45:14,250
Question's been called. Do I have a second?

2701
02:45:14,740 --> 02:45:15,050
Second.

2702
02:45:17,890 --> 02:45:19,710
All right. By roll call vote.

2703
02:45:22,190 --> 02:45:23,090
Councilor Priebe?

2704
02:45:24,170 --> 02:45:24,410
Yes.

2705
02:45:26,130 --> 02:45:26,870
Councilor Forge?

2706
02:45:28,230 --> 02:45:28,570
Yes.

2707
02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:30,510
Councilor Warner?

2708
02:45:30,810 --> 02:45:31,070
Yes.

2709
02:45:32,810 --> 02:45:33,790
Councilor Hallock-Cook?

2710
02:45:34,170 --> 02:45:34,490
Yes.

2711
02:45:36,030 --> 02:45:36,930
Councilor Carrier?

2712
02:45:37,430 --> 02:45:37,690
Yes.

2713
02:45:40,050 --> 02:45:40,850
Councilor Boyce?

2714
02:45:41,490 --> 02:45:41,770
Yes.

2715
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:44,470
Councilor Johnston?

2716
02:45:44,830 --> 02:45:45,090
Yes.

2717
02:45:46,330 --> 02:45:47,290
Councilor Jacobson?

2718
02:45:48,270 --> 02:45:48,550
No.

2719
02:45:58,900 --> 02:45:59,580
We have the

2720
02:46:00,630 --> 02:46:03,570
call the question motion passes by seven

2721
02:46:04,450 --> 02:46:08,030
with one no. Now we will move on to the original motion.

2722
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:12,710
Councilor Forge?

2723
02:46:14,310 --> 02:46:14,770
Yes.

2724
02:46:16,130 --> 02:46:16,890
Councilor Warner?

2725
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:18,470
Yes.

2726
02:46:19,130 --> 02:46:20,090
Councilor Hallock-Cook?

2727
02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:23,210
Yes.

2728
02:46:24,250 --> 02:46:25,110
Councilor Carrier?

2729
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:26,110
Yes.

2730
02:46:27,130 --> 02:46:27,950
Councilor Boyce?

2731
02:46:28,710 --> 02:46:28,990
Yes.

2732
02:46:30,030 --> 02:46:31,070
Councilor Johnston?

2733
02:46:31,770 --> 02:46:32,010
Yes.

2734
02:46:32,910 --> 02:46:33,970
Councilor Jacobson?

2735
02:46:37,670 --> 02:46:37,930
Yes.

2736
02:46:40,910 --> 02:46:41,730
Councilor Priebe?

2737
02:46:42,430 --> 02:46:42,750
Yes.

2738
02:46:44,190 --> 02:46:47,250
The motion passes by eight votes in favor.

2739
02:46:58,490 --> 02:47:02,210
We will now move on to agenda item number

2740
02:47:02,290 --> 02:47:02,790
12.

2741
02:47:03,670 --> 02:47:07,390
Council to consider scheduling a September

2742
02:47:07,610 --> 02:47:08,770
council workshop.

2743
02:47:18,130 --> 02:47:18,910
Councilor Warner?

2744
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:24,210
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that Franklin City Council set 14

2745
02:47:24,270 --> 02:47:28,050
September as a city council workshop to discuss Robert's

2746
02:47:28,210 --> 02:47:30,570
Rules and council meetings.

2747
02:47:31,290 --> 02:47:32,970
Second.

2748
02:47:33,070 --> 02:47:36,230
A motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

2749
02:47:36,530 --> 02:47:37,450
Councilor Carrier?

2750
02:47:38,450 --> 02:47:42,170
Thank you. I'd like to suggest that we move this until after city

2751
02:47:42,230 --> 02:47:45,210
elections on October 6th so that we could also include

2752
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:50,190
new incoming city councilors and avoid perhaps having to

2753
02:47:50,210 --> 02:47:51,410
do this a second time.

2754
02:47:56,250 --> 02:47:57,750
City manager.

2755
02:47:58,250 --> 02:48:02,110
So the intent is to do this this time, and then again, it will

2756
02:48:02,150 --> 02:48:05,990
be part of the training regimen that is being established for

2757
02:48:06,030 --> 02:48:08,750
January and new incoming councilors as well.

2758
02:48:09,870 --> 02:48:13,130
We're building what will probably end up being an entire day on a

2759
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:16,730
Saturday to encompass legal as well as other

2760
02:48:16,770 --> 02:48:19,030
things for all incoming councilors.

2761
02:48:21,530 --> 02:48:24,650
Councilor Johnston, I saw your hand up.

2762
02:48:29,710 --> 02:48:31,190
Now I don't remember why I raised my hand.

2763
02:48:31,250 --> 02:48:35,170
But I believe I was going to agree with Councilor Carrier, though, that we

2764
02:48:35,210 --> 02:48:39,170
should move it to change it until the new council or until the elections and,

2765
02:48:40,870 --> 02:48:43,350
that way we would be, yeah, just do it once.

2766
02:48:45,610 --> 02:48:47,030
Yeah, that's all I have to say right now.

2767
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:52,350
Councilor Warner.

2768
02:48:53,950 --> 02:48:56,610
I would hope that we got back to doing this annually in the

2769
02:48:56,770 --> 02:49:00,050
January-February timeframe. That's just the...

2770
02:49:00,990 --> 02:49:03,850
We have suffered not having that this year.

2771
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:07,370
Councilor Forge?

2772
02:49:08,570 --> 02:49:11,970
City manager, do you want to give us the test version and then move on to

2773
02:49:12,010 --> 02:49:15,230
the full-blown version in January for

2774
02:49:15,730 --> 02:49:16,590
incoming council?

2775
02:49:19,170 --> 02:49:19,890
City manager.

2776
02:49:20,490 --> 02:49:24,280
So that was sort of the intent. This was going to be an abbreviated

2777
02:49:24,330 --> 02:49:27,670
thing, talking about the different types of council meetings,

2778
02:49:28,530 --> 02:49:32,090
why it's important to differentiate when we set them between workshops and actual

2779
02:49:32,170 --> 02:49:32,530
meetings.

2780
02:49:33,890 --> 02:49:37,670
And then some of the basic Robert's Rules and talking about motions and amendments

2781
02:49:37,730 --> 02:49:41,610
and things that we do lots of different ways, and we probably should

2782
02:49:41,630 --> 02:49:43,810
have one standardized way of getting them done.

2783
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:48,990
Along with that, I just added that I was going to add on the new

2784
02:49:49,030 --> 02:49:52,670
ordinance procedure and how that would work with a test ordinance to go through it.

2785
02:49:54,190 --> 02:49:54,570
The

2786
02:49:55,370 --> 02:49:56,930
September timeframe also

2787
02:49:57,890 --> 02:50:01,610
would allow the students who are doing student government to potentially come

2788
02:50:01,690 --> 02:50:04,650
to this council workshop if they wanted to as well.

2789
02:50:05,670 --> 02:50:09,410
Although in October one probably would meet their needs as well, except it's going

2790
02:50:09,430 --> 02:50:11,550
to be closer to when they actually do their meeting.

2791
02:50:13,570 --> 02:50:17,290
And I don't know how many students will actually show up to a workshop

2792
02:50:17,330 --> 02:50:19,310
anyway, if they're not required to be here.

2793
02:50:21,950 --> 02:50:22,770
Councilor Carrier.

2794
02:50:24,270 --> 02:50:26,910
Thank you. Do you know when the student

2795
02:50:28,830 --> 02:50:30,970
meeting is? And so we could perhaps

2796
02:50:31,790 --> 02:50:34,470
try to adjust a date into before then in October?

2797
02:50:37,250 --> 02:50:39,780
So I believe the banquet is actually on the 29th.

2798
02:50:47,850 --> 02:50:49,850
Any other discussion on this motion?

2799
02:50:52,590 --> 02:50:55,290
I'd like to make a... Yeah, I have a comment.

2800
02:50:56,590 --> 02:50:57,550
Councilor Jacobson?

2801
02:50:59,470 --> 02:51:00,130
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2802
02:51:01,950 --> 02:51:03,570
I'd also like to see this move to October,

2803
02:51:05,590 --> 02:51:09,490
and would make a friendly amendment that we set this

2804
02:51:09,530 --> 02:51:10,520
for October 12th

2805
02:51:12,350 --> 02:51:13,210
Monday, October 12th.

2806
02:51:14,210 --> 02:51:14,390
Second

2807
02:51:15,250 --> 02:51:15,890
Monday in October.

2808
02:51:17,050 --> 02:51:18,450
That's Columbus Day.

2809
02:51:19,410 --> 02:51:20,130
City manager.

2810
02:51:20,730 --> 02:51:24,140
So point of order on two things. One, as a point of order,

2811
02:51:24,690 --> 02:51:27,870
Robert's Rules doesn't have anything called a friendly amendment.

2812
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:30,370
Two, the 12th of October is Columbus Day.

2813
02:51:37,070 --> 02:51:37,710
Any other

2814
02:51:39,490 --> 02:51:40,590
comment? Councilor Keran.

2815
02:51:43,010 --> 02:51:46,730
I would offer an amendment to change the date to

2816
02:51:46,770 --> 02:51:47,890
October 19th.

2817
02:51:50,590 --> 02:51:53,370
Councilor

2818
02:51:53,410 --> 02:51:55,410
Jacobson.

2819
02:51:56,770 --> 02:51:57,099
Motion.

2820
02:51:59,850 --> 02:52:00,150
Second.

2821
02:52:02,430 --> 02:52:02,710
All right.

2822
02:52:05,110 --> 02:52:08,950
Motion has been made and seconded on the

2823
02:52:08,990 --> 02:52:09,490
amendment.

2824
02:52:11,870 --> 02:52:12,990
Is there any discussion?

2825
02:52:18,770 --> 02:52:19,510
Councilor Warner.

2826
02:52:21,070 --> 02:52:22,030
I would just like to

2827
02:52:23,090 --> 02:52:25,710
advocate for keeping it on the 14th of next month.

2828
02:52:31,250 --> 02:52:34,930
Any other discussion? Councilor Priebe.

2829
02:52:35,990 --> 02:52:36,310
Thank you,

2830
02:52:37,290 --> 02:52:39,290
Mr. Mayor. The 14th of September,

2831
02:52:40,190 --> 02:52:40,610
all of the

2832
02:52:41,850 --> 02:52:43,950
people that are running for

2833
02:52:44,850 --> 02:52:45,710
the positions

2834
02:52:46,750 --> 02:52:47,830
on the city council

2835
02:52:49,030 --> 02:52:52,630
are all allowed to come to these public meetings, and they can take

2836
02:52:52,730 --> 02:52:53,150
notes.

2837
02:52:54,170 --> 02:52:57,390
They can't correspond with what we're doing as far

2838
02:52:57,470 --> 02:53:00,990
as from the podium, but they're allowed to come here.

2839
02:53:01,450 --> 02:53:02,490
I did that when I was--

2840
02:53:03,650 --> 02:53:04,770
Even after I was elected,

2841
02:53:05,910 --> 02:53:09,590
I came to them before. So it's not closed.

2842
02:53:09,930 --> 02:53:12,790
They're welcome to come to these meetings.

2843
02:53:15,110 --> 02:53:16,130
Councilor Johnston.

2844
02:53:17,390 --> 02:53:21,310
I would agree with Councilor Warner and Councilor Priebe, where that if we

2845
02:53:21,370 --> 02:53:24,190
keep the meeting for the 14th of September,

2846
02:53:24,230 --> 02:53:27,590
we don't have anything listed for a workshop yet.

2847
02:53:27,650 --> 02:53:29,390
So this will be a workshop for this month.

2848
02:53:29,750 --> 02:53:33,090
Why are we going to schedule a workshop for next month when we won't have one for

2849
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:33,550
this month?

2850
02:53:35,210 --> 02:53:37,570
And then as the city manager had said,

2851
02:53:38,770 --> 02:53:42,310
later in the future after the elections and after other people take

2852
02:53:42,370 --> 02:53:46,360
office, then we'll have a big meeting on a Saturday with legal and

2853
02:53:46,430 --> 02:53:47,170
stuff like that.

2854
02:53:48,950 --> 02:53:52,860
That's just as a thing. So my hand

2855
02:53:52,890 --> 02:53:56,240
was raised earlier because I was going to ask on September 14th if we were going to

2856
02:53:56,270 --> 02:53:59,979
have legal there. But if this is just going to be a refresher for

2857
02:54:00,090 --> 02:54:03,850
us, then I don't see a reason for them to have to be there on September 14th.

2858
02:54:03,950 --> 02:54:07,290
So I'm all for keeping this on the 14th September.

2859
02:54:11,190 --> 02:54:12,130
Councilor Keran.

2860
02:54:15,430 --> 02:54:17,370
In support of October 19th.

2861
02:54:18,390 --> 02:54:18,710
Once

2862
02:54:19,970 --> 02:54:23,770
new councilors have been elected, they could be allowed to participate in

2863
02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:25,030
that meeting on the 18th.

2864
02:54:28,470 --> 02:54:29,310
City manager.

2865
02:54:30,170 --> 02:54:32,990
So as a city council workshop,

2866
02:54:33,790 --> 02:54:37,190
if the mayor recognizes, then they would be able to participate in the workshop

2867
02:54:37,250 --> 02:54:37,490
anyway.

2868
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:43,110
Yes.

2869
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:48,670
Any other discussion? Because we have an amendment

2870
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:49,710
to vote on.

2871
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:53,530
Councilor Johnston.

2872
02:54:53,890 --> 02:54:55,230
So that's what I was just going to ask.

2873
02:54:55,259 --> 02:54:58,350
So are we voting on the amendment or are we voting on the motion?

2874
02:55:00,530 --> 02:55:01,470
Well, we have-

2875
02:55:01,610 --> 02:55:01,900
I'm sorry

2876
02:55:01,900 --> 02:55:05,050
... the motion, and then we have an amendment to that motion, so...

2877
02:55:08,990 --> 02:55:09,650
City manager.

2878
02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:11,919
So do we need to take a vote on the amendment first,

2879
02:55:12,730 --> 02:55:13,180
and then,

2880
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:17,210
depending on what that is, we'll vote on either the amended motion or the original

2881
02:55:17,250 --> 02:55:17,570
motion?

2882
02:55:21,330 --> 02:55:22,190
Councilor Boyce.

2883
02:55:22,750 --> 02:55:25,710
Somebody re-read the amendment that's on there.

2884
02:55:29,530 --> 02:55:32,609
The amendment was to change the date of the

2885
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:36,130
original motion from September 14th to October

2886
02:55:36,210 --> 02:55:36,690
19th.

2887
02:55:41,310 --> 02:55:43,010
All right. Any more discussion on this?

2888
02:55:44,250 --> 02:55:46,490
If not, by roll call vote.

2889
02:55:47,990 --> 02:55:48,910
Councilor Forge.

2890
02:55:50,430 --> 02:55:50,570
No.

2891
02:55:53,010 --> 02:55:53,770
Councilor Warner.

2892
02:55:54,270 --> 02:55:54,410
No.

2893
02:55:56,750 --> 02:55:57,770
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

2894
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:58,750
No.

2895
02:56:01,290 --> 02:56:02,210
Councilor Keran.

2896
02:56:03,510 --> 02:56:03,810
Yes.

2897
02:56:06,290 --> 02:56:07,130
Councilor Boyce.

2898
02:56:07,490 --> 02:56:07,690
No.

2899
02:56:11,450 --> 02:56:12,430
Councilor Johnston.

2900
02:56:13,090 --> 02:56:13,290
No.

2901
02:56:15,450 --> 02:56:16,510
Councilor Jacobson.

2902
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:18,030
Yes.

2903
02:56:21,210 --> 02:56:22,190
Councilor Priebe.

2904
02:56:22,830 --> 02:56:22,990
No.

2905
02:56:27,010 --> 02:56:27,350
Six.

2906
02:56:28,910 --> 02:56:32,890
The amended motion does not pass by six votes no

2907
02:56:33,430 --> 02:56:34,270
and two yeses.

2908
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:39,050
Now we'll move on to the original motion.

2909
02:56:43,530 --> 02:56:46,690
Is there any further discussion on the original motion?

2910
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:49,310
If not,

2911
02:56:50,390 --> 02:56:51,470
by roll call vote.

2912
02:56:52,930 --> 02:56:53,810
Councilor Forge.

2913
02:56:54,930 --> 02:56:55,190
Yes.

2914
02:56:56,670 --> 02:56:57,430
Councilor Warner.

2915
02:56:57,950 --> 02:56:58,230
Yes.

2916
02:56:59,570 --> 02:57:00,610
Councilor Hallock-Cook.

2917
02:57:01,370 --> 02:57:01,730
Yes.

2918
02:57:03,190 --> 02:57:04,250
Councilor Keran.

2919
02:57:04,490 --> 02:57:04,850
Yes.

2920
02:57:06,090 --> 02:57:06,870
Councilor Boyce.

2921
02:57:07,550 --> 02:57:07,810
Yes.

2922
02:57:09,710 --> 02:57:10,690
Councilor Johnston.

2923
02:57:11,410 --> 02:57:11,670
Yes.

2924
02:57:12,830 --> 02:57:13,990
Councilor Jacobson.

2925
02:57:15,190 --> 02:57:15,470
Yes.

2926
02:57:17,402 --> 02:57:18,302
Council Priebe.

2927
02:57:19,042 --> 02:57:19,482
Yes.

2928
02:57:21,042 --> 02:57:23,641
The motion passes with eight votes in favor.

2929
02:57:30,342 --> 02:57:31,202
Councilor Boyce.

2930
02:57:32,222 --> 02:57:33,762
Is the library available that day?

2931
02:57:35,002 --> 02:57:37,772
It's not scheduled yet, so I will find out and send an email.

2932
02:57:38,322 --> 02:57:41,042
Hopefully, my email will be working tomorrow, so I'll be able to send you an email

2933
02:57:41,062 --> 02:57:43,942
telling you exactly where and what time it will be.

2934
02:57:43,982 --> 02:57:44,322
Thank you.

2935
02:57:53,882 --> 02:57:57,782
We will now move on to agenda item number 13,

2936
02:57:58,422 --> 02:58:01,882
council to consider charter amendment number one,

2937
02:58:02,302 --> 02:58:04,842
school board clarification

2938
02:58:05,462 --> 02:58:08,922
C-13, C-14.

2939
02:58:09,371 --> 02:58:10,322
Do I have a motion?

2940
02:58:16,822 --> 02:58:17,702
Councilor Carrier.

2941
02:58:19,422 --> 02:58:23,042
Thank you. I move that the Franklin City Council

2942
02:58:23,102 --> 02:58:27,062
approve proposed charter amendment number one, school board

2943
02:58:27,122 --> 02:58:30,862
clarification C-13, C-14, as

2944
02:58:30,902 --> 02:58:31,342
presented,

2945
02:58:32,202 --> 02:58:36,082
and direct that it be prepared for submission to Franklin voters at the next

2946
02:58:36,142 --> 02:58:39,822
election at which the question may lawfully be placed in accordance with

2947
02:58:39,922 --> 02:58:41,782
RSA 49-B.

2948
02:58:44,542 --> 02:58:45,582
Do I have a second?

2949
02:58:46,562 --> 02:58:47,102
Second.

2950
02:58:49,302 --> 02:58:53,042
The motion has been made and seconded. Do we have any discussion?

2951
02:58:53,882 --> 02:58:54,662
City manager.

2952
02:58:56,242 --> 02:59:00,162
So I just wanted to point out that there are some steps that happen before the

2953
02:59:00,182 --> 02:59:03,922
Franklin City Council can actually put this question on a ballot.

2954
02:59:05,022 --> 02:59:08,782
It does need to be approved by the Secretary of State, and

2955
02:59:11,622 --> 02:59:13,802
DRA and one other organization.

2956
02:59:14,602 --> 02:59:14,902
It also-

2957
02:59:14,982 --> 02:59:15,702
Attorney General

2958
02:59:17,062 --> 02:59:20,962
Yes, and it also needs a legal opinion, as

2959
02:59:21,082 --> 02:59:24,942
well as it's supposed to be written up and submitted to the clerk

2960
02:59:24,982 --> 02:59:28,742
within seven days of the council deciding or having a public

2961
02:59:28,782 --> 02:59:29,062
hearing.

2962
02:59:30,222 --> 02:59:31,002
Councilor Warner.

2963
02:59:32,582 --> 02:59:34,362
This is a question for the city manager.

2964
02:59:34,402 --> 02:59:35,042
I've heard the,

2965
02:59:37,342 --> 02:59:39,962
I will say, conflicting information or reads on...

2966
02:59:42,402 --> 02:59:46,322
Is there a limit to the number of ballot initiatives we could have

2967
02:59:46,362 --> 02:59:47,782
in a given year?

2968
02:59:51,002 --> 02:59:51,842
City manager.

2969
02:59:52,202 --> 02:59:54,942
So I'm unaware of any limit that's put on.

2970
02:59:55,302 --> 02:59:55,642
I

2971
02:59:56,742 --> 02:59:58,782
don't have even an official thing on this.

2972
02:59:59,102 --> 03:00:02,322
I was told the recommendation is no more than four.

2973
03:00:03,482 --> 03:00:06,262
And that's just because these can be lengthy.

2974
03:00:11,102 --> 03:00:11,842
Councilor Warner.

2975
03:00:12,562 --> 03:00:14,362
So follow-up question to that is then, okay,

2976
03:00:15,782 --> 03:00:18,662
we're looking at the timeline. Obviously, we're talking about

2977
03:00:19,622 --> 03:00:20,752
this being on the ballot at,

2978
03:00:21,722 --> 03:00:24,862
best case, October 2027.

2979
03:00:26,242 --> 03:00:29,622
So that's two.

2980
03:00:30,622 --> 03:00:33,902
Now, if we have any more that we want to get on there, whether it be via a charter

2981
03:00:33,962 --> 03:00:36,882
commission or whatever. Now, a charter commission,

2982
03:00:36,922 --> 03:00:40,772
that's out there because we wouldn't be able to do a

2983
03:00:40,862 --> 03:00:42,862
charter commission until that time.

2984
03:00:43,762 --> 03:00:43,922
But

2985
03:00:44,782 --> 03:00:46,032
yeah, are we shooting

2986
03:00:46,882 --> 03:00:48,282
half our bullets at once here?

2987
03:00:50,422 --> 03:00:51,162
City manager.

2988
03:00:51,402 --> 03:00:53,402
So there's no restriction or limitation to that.

2989
03:00:53,582 --> 03:00:57,242
Just the fear is that if you put a significant number on, it gets really

2990
03:00:57,282 --> 03:01:00,182
confusing to read them all and understand them all.

2991
03:01:02,602 --> 03:01:06,282
But we will be shooting half our bullets in a recommendation, but not

2992
03:01:06,302 --> 03:01:09,022
necessarily a restriction. Does that make sense?

2993
03:01:10,582 --> 03:01:14,502
Yeah, I see. In other words, there's not a

2994
03:01:14,562 --> 03:01:15,442
hard and fast rule.

2995
03:01:16,582 --> 03:01:19,562
Okay, that answers my question. I'll probably still vote for this.

2996
03:01:22,902 --> 03:01:24,862
Any other discussion on this motion?

2997
03:01:26,722 --> 03:01:27,762
Councilor Hallett Cook.

2998
03:01:30,982 --> 03:01:34,602
I think I'm kind of seeing this as let's test whether or not

2999
03:01:35,361 --> 03:01:39,122
we can figure out how this process works and get it on the ballot.

3000
03:01:39,361 --> 03:01:41,342
Is-

3001
03:01:41,512 --> 03:01:44,162
I have a comment.

3002
03:01:45,542 --> 03:01:46,542
Councilor Jacobson.

3003
03:01:47,862 --> 03:01:51,242
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Councilor Hallett Cook, that's exactly right.

3004
03:01:52,622 --> 03:01:53,942
If you'll recall, back in June,

3005
03:01:55,342 --> 03:01:57,642
there were three public hearings that were set to be made.

3006
03:01:57,702 --> 03:02:00,162
Those came out of the legislative committee.

3007
03:02:00,662 --> 03:02:04,502
They were kind of set in order of increasing complexity and potential

3008
03:02:04,542 --> 03:02:08,302
contentiousness. So this is the kind of easiest, I would

3009
03:02:08,362 --> 03:02:09,322
say.

3010
03:02:10,222 --> 03:02:14,122
The next one that we're going to talk about or the next item on the agenda

3011
03:02:14,142 --> 03:02:15,062
is kind of a medium.

3012
03:02:16,602 --> 03:02:18,142
And I think that's reflected in the

3013
03:02:19,082 --> 03:02:22,822
CAR that's presented. The hard one was

3014
03:02:23,122 --> 03:02:27,002
C-32, the tax cap. That has not come before the council,

3015
03:02:27,062 --> 03:02:29,682
or really, it's still in legislative, I think, at this point.

3016
03:02:29,722 --> 03:02:33,702
So already, we've been shot down on one of these things, and

3017
03:02:33,742 --> 03:02:37,682
you're absolutely right. This is an intention to kind of work the muscle

3018
03:02:37,762 --> 03:02:40,922
of this process, see if we can figure it out.

3019
03:02:44,122 --> 03:02:46,182
Any other discussion on this motion?

3020
03:02:48,442 --> 03:02:51,182
If not, I will take a roll call vote.

3021
03:02:52,162 --> 03:02:53,042
Councilor Warner.

3022
03:02:54,842 --> 03:02:55,062
Yeah.

3023
03:02:57,002 --> 03:02:58,002
Councilor Hallett Cook.

3024
03:02:59,102 --> 03:02:59,422
Yes.

3025
03:03:01,122 --> 03:03:01,942
Councilor Carrier.

3026
03:03:02,922 --> 03:03:03,182
Yes.

3027
03:03:04,642 --> 03:03:05,442
Councilor Boyce.

3028
03:03:06,982 --> 03:03:07,262
Yes.

3029
03:03:08,742 --> 03:03:09,682
Councilor Johnston.

3030
03:03:10,182 --> 03:03:10,422
Yes.

3031
03:03:12,002 --> 03:03:13,102
Councilor Jacobson.

3032
03:03:15,402 --> 03:03:15,682
Yes.

3033
03:03:18,022 --> 03:03:18,842
Councilor Priebe.

3034
03:03:20,062 --> 03:03:20,402
Yes.

3035
03:03:22,162 --> 03:03:23,162
Councilor Forgey.

3036
03:03:23,502 --> 03:03:23,862
Yes.

3037
03:03:26,622 --> 03:03:28,602
The motion passes with eight votes.

3038
03:03:34,642 --> 03:03:38,242
We will now move on to agenda item number 14,

3039
03:03:38,922 --> 03:03:41,862
council to consider charter amendment number two,

3040
03:03:43,182 --> 03:03:45,842
neutralizing gender bias.

3041
03:03:48,282 --> 03:03:48,842
I have a motion.

3042
03:03:50,862 --> 03:03:51,872
Councilor Jacobson.

3043
03:03:53,702 --> 03:03:57,222
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the Franklin City Council approve proposed

3044
03:03:57,242 --> 03:04:00,762
charter amendment number two, neutralizing gender bias, chapters three, eight,

3045
03:04:00,942 --> 03:04:04,491
nine, 10, 11, 13, 15, 20, 21, 23, 24,

3046
03:04:04,682 --> 03:04:08,131
25, 28, 46, 51,

3047
03:04:08,131 --> 03:04:11,962
53, as presented and directed to be prepared for submission to

3048
03:04:11,982 --> 03:04:13,472
Franklin voters at the next election,

3049
03:04:14,282 --> 03:04:17,622
at which the question may lawfully be placed in accordance with RSA

3050
03:04:17,742 --> 03:04:18,642
49-B.

3051
03:04:20,022 --> 03:04:20,342
Second.

3052
03:04:21,702 --> 03:04:24,182
We have a motion and we have a second.

3053
03:04:24,222 --> 03:04:25,982
Is there any discussion on this motion?

3054
03:04:33,262 --> 03:04:37,082
I don't see anyone raising a hand for discussion,

3055
03:04:37,202 --> 03:04:39,682
so I'm going to move it on to a roll call vote.

3056
03:04:42,782 --> 03:04:43,902
Councilor Hallett Cook.

3057
03:04:45,082 --> 03:04:45,402
Yes.

3058
03:04:46,742 --> 03:04:47,582
Councilor Carrier.

3059
03:04:48,122 --> 03:04:48,482
Yes.

3060
03:04:49,722 --> 03:04:50,702
Councilor Boyce.

3061
03:04:52,062 --> 03:04:52,342
Yes.

3062
03:04:53,842 --> 03:04:54,822
Councilor Johnston.

3063
03:04:56,162 --> 03:04:56,442
Yes.

3064
03:04:58,022 --> 03:04:59,162
Councilor Jacobson.

3065
03:05:01,102 --> 03:05:01,422
Yes.

3066
03:05:03,582 --> 03:05:04,362
Councilor Prevy.

3067
03:05:05,342 --> 03:05:05,622
Yes.

3068
03:05:06,322 --> 03:05:07,122
Councilor Forge.

3069
03:05:07,622 --> 03:05:07,922
Yes.

3070
03:05:08,822 --> 03:05:09,582
Councilor Warner.

3071
03:05:10,142 --> 03:05:10,382
Yes.

3072
03:05:12,762 --> 03:05:15,062
Motion passes, eight in favor.

3073
03:05:26,182 --> 03:05:29,362
Now we will move on to committee reports.

3074
03:05:30,602 --> 03:05:33,622
Does the legislative committee have a report this evening?

3075
03:05:36,442 --> 03:05:37,581
Mr. Mayor, I have a report.

3076
03:05:39,182 --> 03:05:40,162
Councilor Jacobson.

3077
03:05:41,662 --> 03:05:42,762
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The

3078
03:05:43,742 --> 03:05:45,432
legislative committee met on

3079
03:05:47,342 --> 03:05:49,782
August 20th at 6:00 PM in the library.

3080
03:05:49,822 --> 03:05:53,162
We had a lot to discuss, much of which came actually before the city council this

3081
03:05:53,202 --> 03:05:53,562
evening.

3082
03:05:54,962 --> 03:05:58,482
I'm going to run through briefly. We talked about charter amendment procedure,

3083
03:06:00,042 --> 03:06:03,462
and then the different motions that came forward before the council tonight.

3084
03:06:03,502 --> 03:06:07,121
So public hearing, chapter 68, ordinance changes, chapter

3085
03:06:07,422 --> 03:06:08,542
31, I believe.

3086
03:06:09,982 --> 03:06:12,042
We talked a little bit about winter parking and

3087
03:06:13,242 --> 03:06:15,901
the various ordinances associated with that.

3088
03:06:16,142 --> 03:06:17,322
And where we landed was

3089
03:06:18,462 --> 03:06:22,232
we need some information about from municipal services,

3090
03:06:22,722 --> 03:06:25,862
and that's going to stay in legislative from the other ordinance side of things.

3091
03:06:27,002 --> 03:06:29,002
We also talked about the trash ordinance,

3092
03:06:30,382 --> 03:06:34,362
and maybe some improvements that go with the sticker-based system that passed

3093
03:06:34,382 --> 03:06:35,162
in the budget this year,

3094
03:06:36,022 --> 03:06:39,902
but kind of how we need to align the ordinances as written with that

3095
03:06:39,942 --> 03:06:40,362
system.

3096
03:06:41,782 --> 03:06:43,402
We talked about the electronic use policy,

3097
03:06:44,642 --> 03:06:46,742
and we set our next meeting, which is for

3098
03:06:48,042 --> 03:06:48,542
Thursday,

3099
03:06:49,482 --> 03:06:53,462
the 17th at 6:00 PM in the library. And on that, we plan to talk about

3100
03:06:53,582 --> 03:06:54,962
winter parking, trash,

3101
03:06:55,782 --> 03:06:57,302
charter section to C34,

3102
03:07:00,062 --> 03:07:01,862
short-term rentals, and

3103
03:07:03,202 --> 03:07:03,402
the

3104
03:07:04,862 --> 03:07:06,932
public hearing procedure that got kicked back to

3105
03:07:06,932 --> 03:07:09,882
today.

3106
03:07:12,342 --> 03:07:15,422
Does any of the councilors have questions for the

3107
03:07:15,702 --> 03:07:16,862
legislative committee?

3108
03:07:22,022 --> 03:07:25,722
Thank you for that report, Councilor Jacobson.

3109
03:07:25,842 --> 03:07:27,382
I will now move on to the

3110
03:07:28,782 --> 03:07:31,532
Muster Committee. And I know that

3111
03:07:33,102 --> 03:07:35,042
Councilor Hobby isn't here this evening.

3112
03:07:35,102 --> 03:07:37,662
Is there any other councilors that may have a report for her?

3113
03:07:38,802 --> 03:07:41,902
If not, we could ask her to give us a report at the

3114
03:07:42,682 --> 03:07:43,322
workshop.

3115
03:07:44,582 --> 03:07:48,511
I did not prepare a report. I'm the secretary, but I didn't realize she was absent.

3116
03:07:48,542 --> 03:07:49,442
Okay, thank you.

3117
03:07:50,542 --> 03:07:54,482
We could ask for a report at the workshop or an update on

3118
03:07:54,502 --> 03:07:55,122
the 14th.

3119
03:07:58,682 --> 03:07:59,822
City Finance Committee.

3120
03:08:02,202 --> 03:08:03,402
Councilor Carrier.

3121
03:08:05,502 --> 03:08:08,282
Thank you. The finance committee met on August

3122
03:08:08,302 --> 03:08:09,962
18th.

3123
03:08:12,222 --> 03:08:14,782
Had some discussion around our audits and

3124
03:08:16,362 --> 03:08:17,602
we're on that process.

3125
03:08:19,482 --> 03:08:23,402
Talked about fiscal year 26 closeout, and based on that

3126
03:08:23,442 --> 03:08:24,042
discussion,

3127
03:08:25,142 --> 03:08:28,052
scheduled our next meeting for October 20th

3128
03:08:28,862 --> 03:08:30,722
at 6:00 at the library.

3129
03:08:31,802 --> 03:08:35,722
Also had just some discussion about the assessment process, and

3130
03:08:36,462 --> 03:08:39,142
there's other options on

3131
03:08:40,462 --> 03:08:41,962
commercial property assessment,

3132
03:08:42,922 --> 03:08:46,202
and also had some discussion on the

3133
03:08:46,722 --> 03:08:50,522
city council part of the annual budget process and to see if

3134
03:08:52,602 --> 03:08:54,802
we can work on ways to

3135
03:08:55,862 --> 03:08:57,802
have a better budget season next year.

3136
03:09:02,202 --> 03:09:05,402
Do any councilors have any questions for Councilor

3137
03:09:05,742 --> 03:09:07,612
Carrier on the finance committee?

3138
03:09:10,302 --> 03:09:14,182
If not, we will now move on to the Park and Recs Committee.

3139
03:09:15,282 --> 03:09:18,201
Do we have anybody here to give that report?

3140
03:09:19,322 --> 03:09:21,762
I know that Councilor Hobby is the chairman.

3141
03:09:23,202 --> 03:09:24,722
Mr. Mayor, I can give a report.

3142
03:09:25,802 --> 03:09:28,922
Okay. Councilor Jacobson, thank you

3143
03:09:30,538 --> 03:09:31,938
Sure thing, Mr. Mayor.

3144
03:09:33,278 --> 03:09:36,538
So the Parks and Rec committee met on the

3145
03:09:36,558 --> 03:09:39,658
19th of August up at Bessie Rawl at 6:00 PM.

3146
03:09:40,678 --> 03:09:44,458
And we talked about, again, the pieces that came before the council

3147
03:09:44,558 --> 03:09:44,858
today,

3148
03:09:46,098 --> 03:09:47,798
specifically those two CARs, the

3149
03:09:48,658 --> 03:09:52,558
ordinance updates on Parks and Rec assets, and shifting the

3150
03:09:52,598 --> 03:09:53,298
fee schedules.

3151
03:09:54,518 --> 03:09:58,358
The majority of our conversation centered around a draft use

3152
03:09:58,498 --> 03:10:00,848
policy for the Parks and Rec department.

3153
03:10:00,868 --> 03:10:02,028
That's something that

3154
03:10:02,978 --> 03:10:06,808
Director Carmichael has been working on with public input from

3155
03:10:06,918 --> 03:10:08,018
our July meeting.

3156
03:10:10,028 --> 03:10:13,338
And it does things like defines

3157
03:10:14,618 --> 03:10:18,298
how fees are set, it defines what the Parks and Rec assets

3158
03:10:18,338 --> 03:10:19,598
are, it defines

3159
03:10:20,958 --> 03:10:24,838
what priority is given to different organizations for use, and

3160
03:10:24,878 --> 03:10:26,238
getting permits and things like that.

3161
03:10:27,658 --> 03:10:29,398
So it's really trying to lay out

3162
03:10:30,258 --> 03:10:32,218
how the department is going to work.

3163
03:10:32,858 --> 03:10:33,978
It's pretty comprehensive,

3164
03:10:35,218 --> 03:10:39,188
and we talked about moving it forward in the beginning of September here,

3165
03:10:39,298 --> 03:10:40,178
but I

3166
03:10:41,458 --> 03:10:44,158
think it's going to be pushed, and ultimately will come before the council.

3167
03:10:44,238 --> 03:10:46,918
But more to come, I think, on that front.

3168
03:10:48,198 --> 03:10:52,158
And we set our next meeting, I believe, for

3169
03:10:53,058 --> 03:10:54,098
this upcoming Wednesday,

3170
03:10:55,338 --> 03:10:57,658
the 2nd. However, I will not be able to attend.

3171
03:10:59,158 --> 03:11:03,318
Yeah.

3172
03:11:03,378 --> 03:11:05,138
That's it. That's the end of the report. Sorry.

3173
03:11:08,798 --> 03:11:12,558
Any councilors have any questions for Councilor Jacobson on the

3174
03:11:12,898 --> 03:11:13,968
Parks and Rec committee?

3175
03:11:16,838 --> 03:11:20,578
If not, we will now move on to other business.

3176
03:11:21,678 --> 03:11:25,298
We will move on to mayor and council appointments.

3177
03:11:25,658 --> 03:11:27,178
I will start off with the mayors.

3178
03:11:28,718 --> 03:11:32,558
I have been informed by the chairman of the Conservation Commission

3179
03:11:32,738 --> 03:11:36,098
that there are three positions whose terms are

3180
03:11:37,078 --> 03:11:38,218
up in September.

3181
03:11:39,178 --> 03:11:41,268
And I was also informed

3182
03:11:41,918 --> 03:11:43,538
that

3183
03:11:44,478 --> 03:11:48,458
Robert DeRoche, Senior would like to be reappointed to

3184
03:11:48,498 --> 03:11:52,458
another three years on the Conservation Commission, so

3185
03:11:52,618 --> 03:11:55,498
I will be doing that this evening. He will be reappointed.

3186
03:11:56,248 --> 03:12:00,178
But also, we have three vacancies that will be

3187
03:12:00,278 --> 03:12:00,898
posted

3188
03:12:03,178 --> 03:12:05,438
for the openings on the Conservation Commission.

3189
03:12:10,858 --> 03:12:13,298
Yes, we're seeking applicants, and

3190
03:12:14,118 --> 03:12:17,708
Brenda has been notified, and she will be posting

3191
03:12:17,758 --> 03:12:20,158
it on the city website.

3192
03:12:23,998 --> 03:12:27,398
And now we will move on to council appointments.

3193
03:12:29,078 --> 03:12:30,058
Councilor Johnston.

3194
03:12:30,878 --> 03:12:34,278
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that Franklin City Council appoint

3195
03:12:34,558 --> 03:12:37,038
Deborah Burley to the Ward One moderator seat.

3196
03:12:37,998 --> 03:12:38,338
Second.

3197
03:12:40,378 --> 03:12:42,538
A motion has been made and seconded.

3198
03:12:44,558 --> 03:12:47,098
Do we have any discussion on that appointment?

3199
03:12:51,758 --> 03:12:52,378
If not,

3200
03:12:53,598 --> 03:12:55,218
I will take a roll call vote.

3201
03:13:00,658 --> 03:13:01,518
Councilor Boyce.

3202
03:13:02,458 --> 03:13:02,718
Yes.

3203
03:13:03,638 --> 03:13:06,838
Council Hoppe? Oh, I'm sorry. Councilor Johnston.

3204
03:13:07,258 --> 03:13:07,518
Yes.

3205
03:13:08,358 --> 03:13:09,458
Councilor Jacobson.

3206
03:13:12,158 --> 03:13:12,418
Yes.

3207
03:13:13,718 --> 03:13:14,578
Councilor Priebe.

3208
03:13:15,678 --> 03:13:16,058
Yes.

3209
03:13:16,678 --> 03:13:17,518
Councilor Forge.

3210
03:13:18,598 --> 03:13:18,858
Yes.

3211
03:13:19,518 --> 03:13:20,298
Council Warner.

3212
03:13:20,658 --> 03:13:20,858
Yes.

3213
03:13:21,538 --> 03:13:22,798
Councilor Hallett Cook.

3214
03:13:23,338 --> 03:13:23,658
Yes.

3215
03:13:25,238 --> 03:13:26,138
Councilor Carrier.

3216
03:13:27,358 --> 03:13:27,638
Yes.

3217
03:13:29,518 --> 03:13:31,418
The motion to appoint

3218
03:13:33,118 --> 03:13:35,078
Deborah Burley

3219
03:13:37,538 --> 03:13:41,158
has passed with eight votes in favor.

3220
03:13:42,658 --> 03:13:46,578
Is there any other business to come before this council

3221
03:13:46,618 --> 03:13:47,218
this evening?

3222
03:13:48,298 --> 03:13:49,078
Councilor Boyce.

3223
03:13:49,768 --> 03:13:51,917
Thank you, Mayor. I just have a question for the city manager.

3224
03:13:51,998 --> 03:13:53,898
Do we know when we're expected to

3225
03:13:54,858 --> 03:13:56,118
have all the MOUs

3226
03:13:57,398 --> 03:13:59,898
by people on council that are outstanding?

3227
03:14:03,598 --> 03:14:04,358
City manager.

3228
03:14:05,058 --> 03:14:08,958
So they're in various states. Some of them were coming, but most of them

3229
03:14:08,998 --> 03:14:12,398
were basically waiting for the template that got passed tonight.

3230
03:14:12,438 --> 03:14:16,408
They'll be based on that template, and they should be coming forth regularly.

3231
03:14:16,658 --> 03:14:19,378
I won't give all 15 of them to you in one meeting.

3232
03:14:23,238 --> 03:14:27,098
If you keep your city manager report short, we

3233
03:14:27,158 --> 03:14:28,038
maybe will get

3234
03:14:30,798 --> 03:14:32,978
them out.

3235
03:14:34,918 --> 03:14:37,318
Any other business to come before the council?

3236
03:14:37,338 --> 03:14:37,838
Councilor

3237
03:14:38,718 --> 03:14:39,178
Forge.

3238
03:14:39,618 --> 03:14:40,698
Motion to adjourn.

3239
03:14:40,878 --> 03:14:41,318
Second.

3240
03:14:44,958 --> 03:14:46,918
Motion has been made and seconded.

3241
03:14:47,658 --> 03:14:50,758
All those in favor signify by saying aye.

3242
03:14:50,818 --> 03:14:51,798
Aye.

3243
03:14:51,828 --> 03:14:51,828
Aye.

3244
03:14:51,858 --> 03:14:52,458
Aye.

3245
03:14:53,118 --> 03:14:53,128
Aye.

3246
03:14:53,178 --> 03:14:54,068
Any opposed?

3247
03:14:55,618 --> 03:14:56,138
Point of order.

3248
03:14:57,158 --> 03:14:57,858
Roll call vote.

3249
03:14:59,258 --> 03:15:10,058
Councilor

3250
03:15:10,068 --> 03:15:10,978
Carrier.

3251
03:15:12,078 --> 03:15:12,398
Yes.

3252
03:15:13,778 --> 03:15:14,598
Councilor Boyce.

3253
03:15:14,958 --> 03:15:15,258
Yes.

3254
03:15:16,658 --> 03:15:17,698
Councilor Johnston.

3255
03:15:17,778 --> 03:15:18,038
Yes.

3256
03:15:19,798 --> 03:15:20,898
Councilor Jacobson.

3257
03:15:23,458 --> 03:15:23,718
Yes.

3258
03:15:25,838 --> 03:15:26,698
Councilor Priebe.

3259
03:15:27,098 --> 03:15:27,458
Yes.

3260
03:15:28,638 --> 03:15:29,478
Councilor Forge.

3261
03:15:29,618 --> 03:15:29,927
Yes.

3262
03:15:31,018 --> 03:15:31,838
Councilor Warner.

3263
03:15:31,938 --> 03:15:32,178
Yes.

3264
03:15:32,818 --> 03:15:33,838
Councilor Hallett Cook.

3265
03:15:34,218 --> 03:15:34,538
Yes.

3266
03:15:35,018 --> 03:15:37,838
We are now adjourned with eight votes in favor.

3267
03:15:40,798 --> 03:15:41,178
Okay.