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This work session, regular meeting of the Township Council is called to order. Madam Clerk.

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In accordance with the Open Public Meeting Act of the State of New Jersey, adequate notice of this work session,

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regular meeting of the Franklin Township Council was made as required, indicating that this meeting

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would take place at the immediate civil building at 7 p.m. on Tuesday, August 11, 2026.

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We could all stand for the pledge of allegiance and then remain standing for the invocation by Councilman Charles

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on Ejaka, a pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic

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for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.

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In the world.

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Thank you.

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If does to be peace in the world, that must be peace in the nations, if does to be peace

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in the nations, that must be peace in the series.

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If you have to be pissed in the series, that must be pissed between neighbors.

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If you have to be pissed between neighbors, that must be pissed in the home.

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If you have to be pissed in the home, that must be pissed in the heart.

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Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

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Councilman embarrassing.

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Yes.

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Councilwoman Francois.

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Deputy Mayor Carasi.

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Mayor Cramer.

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Chaka.

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You know.

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Councilman Singh.

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Yes.

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Councilwoman New Dean.

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Councilman Vassanella.

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Councilman Wright.

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Next item is item number five on the agenda.

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The agenda can be found up near the clerk, commendations and proclamations.

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The 36th anniversary of Americans with Disabilities Act, Councilman Singh will be reading

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that.

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Is there anyone here to receive that,

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everyone?

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I'm going to be doing a proclamation for the 36th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

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Whereas in July, 2690, President Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act ADA into law.

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Establishing a comprehensive national mandate to eliminate discrimination against individuals with disabilities.

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And whereas the ADA has expanded opportunities for Americans with disabilities by reducing barriers,

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changing perceptions and increasing full participation in community lives, and whereas July 26,

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2026 marks the 36th anniversary of the signing of the ADA in occasion for celebration in continued commitment.

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In various, the full promise of the ADA will be realized only through sustained efforts

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towards complete ADA compliance and inclusion.

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In various, the Township of Franklin joins with communities across the nation in reaffirming

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the principles of equality, accessibility, and inclusion for all residents.

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And now, therefore, be proclaimed that the Township Council of the Township of Franklin

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It does here by recognize July 26, 2026 as a 36th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act in the Township of Franklin,

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and calls upon all residents to recommit to the principles of equality and inclusion embodied in the ADA.

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And this is on behalf of the mayor and the council.

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Is there anyone here who would accept the proclamations on behalf, scaring

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not?

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Oh, please come in.

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I love that.

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I just wanted to say short-growth problems. I just wanted to say on behalf of someone living with disabilities,

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the American

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education,

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and it's just an incredible piece of legislation, and it's great to see that

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the Township of Franklin recognizes that this is an important anniversary and an important

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legislation for the people in our town. Thank you.

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And the next is the 80th anniversary of independence of India Proclamation by

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Councilman and Barrison.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Looking for you.

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Thank you.

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Welcome, everyone.

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I see a C.A. people to celebrate the India's independence.

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We warmly welcome you all to the Council meeting today.

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We are going to do a proclamation for 80th anniversary of India's independence.

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Today, let me give you a quick, maybe a one-to-two-minute history of India's independence.

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India was ruled by colonists, just like the US was.

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They came in the mid-17th century.

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After the models reign in 16th century, they also were an India conquer.

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So many kingdoms in India was small regions of kings, totally fragmented in the country.

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So just like our politicians, they fought each other, they didn't support each other.

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And so British came to trade in India, they divided and conquered the nation.

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So, fast forward, World War II happened, that the British was weakened,

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the Indians had

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a lot of movement within the country led by leaders like Mahadma Gandhi and Vala

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based on non-violent movements and Satyagraha, which is just sit down, squat in places and refuse to move.

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So what happened was the British Kingdom eventually came to the realization that they

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in the 1940s, the indigenous movement got stronger and stronger, eventually a decision was made

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by the British to leave the country and there was a government general in India at that time

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large mountain, he engineered the whole declaration of independence in 1947 in August and they chose

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August 15th day to sign the declaration of independence of the undivided India. So at that

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time India was one country secular in nature with Pakistan and Bangladesh were not there

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for at the time. So it was one begin, but British divided the country into two, one for predominantly

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Muslims, engineered by leaders like Jinna at that time. So Pakistan and India were split

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in 1947, August 15th. Pakistan actually celebrated that their independence on August 14th,

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because Mount Badden wanted to be in both the signing ceremony in Pakistan, August 14th, midnight,

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and then in August 15th is India.

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So that's the history behind it.

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the significance of August 15th was that two years

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Prior to that, Japan surrendered after the World War II, so to commemorate that date, British decided

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they are surrendering to India on August 15th. So that's a little tidbit behind August 15th date.

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But anyway, so that's the history in two seconds, two minutes. Now read the proclamation,

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ordering India day. I'll read half of it then you can read the half councilman.

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Whereas the township of Franklin recognizes the historic significance of India's independence day August 15, 1947,

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when the Republic of India achieved independence following its long struggle for freedom,

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ending more than two centuries of British colonial rule.

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And whereas India's journey from colonial rule to democratic self-governance continues to inspire people around the world

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And it's ongoing progress in education, science, healthcare, and economic development reflects the resilience and vision of its people.

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And whereas August 15th, 2026 marks the 80th anniversary of India's independence, commemorating the founding of the world's largest democracy and honoring the values of freedom, justice and pluralism, it upholds.

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And whereas the Indian American community

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contributes significantly to the cultural diversity,

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educational excellence, and economic vitality

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of the township of Franklin,

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and whereas the Indian American community in Franklin

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township reflects the values of inclusion

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through its many cultural and religious traditions,

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including Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Jane,

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and Buddhist residents.

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I must also say that Jews, there isn't one of the second oldest Synagogue, is in India.

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I'm going to give you this.

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There is India-day observances, including flag-hosting ceremonies

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and community celebrations will take place throughout New Jersey,

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and the greater tricet area representing the cultural diversity and vibrancy

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of the Indian diaspora and various,

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the shared values of democracy and diversity

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strong bond between India and the United States and strengthen the relationship between the

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township of Franklin and its Indian-American residents and now therefore be proclaimed that

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we, Rahman Brasin and Shabandu Singh, Councilman and Phil Kremer, Mayor of the township of Franklin

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on behalf of the township of Council, do hereby recognize and proclaim August 15, 2026 as India

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day. In the township of Franklin and call this observance to the attention of all our residents

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and public officials to learn, recognize and celebrate the rich cultural heritage, history,

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and ongoing contributions of the Indian American community to our township, our county,

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and our nation.

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That was a great short, brief history lesson from a council around, and I appreciate

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that. The only thing I will say is, I do want to celebrate and acknowledge the remarkable

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contributions that Indian Americans have made to our country. And August 15th is not

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the only time to celebrate our heritage, but it is also time for Indian Americans that

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resided the United States to think about giving back to our community and I know we have

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done it and we need to continue to do that service is paramount. If there is anything that

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any of us should take back today is the ability and the desire to serve our communities. So I would

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encourage everyone who is here to accept the proclamation to go back and serve. Thank you.

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So, we have about 15 of the proclamations that we printed.

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So, I'm just going to leave them here.

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So, whoever would like a copy, kindly come and take them.

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So, if you need more, always I can find, get you more, okay?

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And I want to thank all of you for taking the time to come here and celebrate this day with us.

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really appreciate that. Just a footnote on August 15th to celebrate our independence day.

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There's going to be fireworks.

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Okay, so the fireworks.

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I'm going to piggyback on Franklin 250 celebrations.

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So there's going to be a ballgame at the pitcher's stadium on the 15th. So there's going to be a parade and fireworks, not by us.

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But I'm thinking back, he's found that one, all right?

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We're happy to share.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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It's a tradition in India.

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Whenever we celebrate a good occasion,

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we distribute sweets to everybody gathered.

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So we have some of the audience that they have brought sweets.

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So we are going to leave it outside, so I think it's not really kind of at a long meeting tonight.

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So please take one on your way out.

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It's a good one.

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Yes, please, yes.

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Councilman, might I suggest that maybe we leave the proclamations on the table outside in the lobby,

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maybe Captain Domitor, could you just grab them and maybe put them out there,

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so that this way they can start the presentation by the police department.

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So we like to take some pictures, you can do that.

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We would like to be in the picture.

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Come on up, though.

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Councilman, I just want to mention that for the information of the audience, even though

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India is celebrating the 80th year of independence, but their civilization goes more than 5,000

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Yeah, you're there. Yes

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Thank you so much. Thank you really. That's good. How are you sir?

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I sure not. Yes, thank you very much

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Okay.

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That one is wonderful.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to have you to be the rest of the outside of the world.

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Can you get a friend?

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I know.

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I'm not going to do that.

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I'm not going to do that.

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Good to see you.

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Thank you.

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Hello.

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Hey, James.

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I'm sorry.

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I got you in the back.

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Oh.

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I know you have been lazy.

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I've been dependent.

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Hello.

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How are you doing?

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I mean, I've been dependent.

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Nice to see you.

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If you're leaving, if you're leaving, please go out into the lobby.

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If you're leaving, please go out into the lobby.

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It's going to be up.

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Please make your way to the lobby.

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Please go out to the lobby.

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And if it's someone who closed the lobby doors,

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okay, we're going to continue the meeting. A little

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bit different than usual for this meeting is we're taking a little

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bit unusual for this meeting

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is we're going to have a presentation before a public discussion.

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We thought that might inform some people who are here for the flock system, and then we

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will have our usual public discussion where people can talk about anything to do with government.

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So the automatic license plate recognition system presentation by our public safety director, Lloyd Fredericks, and a representative of Flock, it's your meeting now.

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All right, thank you. I'll give you me every one. My name is Lloyd Fredericks on the public safety doctor for Franklin Township, and with me tonight I have Carl Bach, who is with public affairs with Flock.

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So, for all of you that don't know ALPR stands for Automated Licent Plate Reader.

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It is a camera that takes a picture of your Licent Plate as you drive by on the street, on a public street.

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It's solar powered.

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It's typically on a pole if you see one of these outside.

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You'll recognize it immediately.

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It's used for criminal investigations only.

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It's used for criminal investigations only.

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It provides us with information in real time and it allows us as a police department and my investigators to solve cases extremely fast.

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I'm talking about less than out in less than days to hours to minutes.

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And what I want you all to do is everyone has their opinion, but I want you all to be receptive.

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I want you to listen.

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I want you to hear what I'm saying.

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actively listen to what I'm saying, because I know there's a lot of rumors and a lot

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of myths out there that are floating around.

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Sorry, no worries.

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This is what Flock ALPR's do.

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They take a point in time, picture of a vehicle traveling on a public road.

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There's no expectation of privacy on a public road or in public.

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All right, it captures the make, color, model, and license plate of the rare of the vehicle.

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That's what the picture of is, and it also is able to see the color of the vehicle.

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And like I said, we only support criminal investigations, and it keeps a record of every search made by the police officer in Franklin Townshire Police Department, and every police department like I say across the country.

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I'll speak for my PD.

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Any time an officer does the search,

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there's another presentation I'm going to show you,

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there was a record of that search.

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They have to put in certain parameters in order to get to that search.

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If they don't put in those parameters,

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they will not be able to search.

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Right? Once it's in there,

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those parameters can be audited at any time by our ALP coordinator.

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That's in the police department,

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the county ALP coordinator and the state ALP coordinator.

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coordinator will stay police, right?

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All we have to DCJ, what flock ALPR, what they do not do is use facial recognition.

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That's a myth.

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That's out there.

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Everybody here that's been to the airport, North Airport, facial recognition, all right?

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It also allows us to search for people, pets and clothing, elderly parents that are missing,

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we can find.

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It's imperative that we find them, whether it's 110 degrees outside, or minus 30 degrees

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outside.

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The faster we find them to save for they are, right?

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The system is designed to do that.

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Connected the, it does not connect the DMV systems or contain any information about the driver of the vehicle.

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Another myth.

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You think because we take a picture, we're taking a picture of the driver of the car.

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It's not.

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It's taking a picture of the license plate and the car.

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All right?

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We do not, our flock does not track a vehicle continuously.

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The only time that an officer is going to track a vehicle or look for it is during an investigation.

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That is the only time.

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No other time.

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There is no officer that is going to sit in front of a flock platform and just monitor this

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person for 24 hours.

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Absolutely not. I don't know who has the time to do that, but I know none of my police officers have the time to do that, because we need to serve the community.

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I spoke about this just now about the offensive type and drop down. You have to put these parameters in order to search for anything in the block system.

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And like I said, it's audited, it's always tracked, and I'll get into some other info about that as well.

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It's built with privacy in mind, that's the big, sticking point for a lot of people.

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A lot of people think that this system is tracking you consistently.

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It is not.

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I can tell you what's tracking you consistently.

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That's super computed that you keep in your pocket.

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It's with you all the time.

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Anything you say it records.

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That's why when you open up your phone and you're talking about a certain something,

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you start getting an ad about it.

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All right?

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That's called tracking, continuous tracking.

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But all of you who have nested in your house,

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Amazon Alexa, Siri.

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If I say, hey, Siri right now,

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some of your phones are going to go off,

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and I've never touched your phone ever in my life.

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Right?

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Flock does not do that.

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All right?

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There are other ALPR companies in the state of New Jersey

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as well that track your take pictures

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of your license plates I should say, right?

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Everybody who's gone through easy paths, anybody who's gone through a total world.

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All of those things take pictures of your license plates on a regular basis.

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All right?

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The data is owned by Franklin Township.

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We pay for that data.

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And I can assure you Franklin Township is not selling your data.

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We have no interest to sell your data.

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Okay?

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And it also, private customers never have to access the government, have access to government

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data or hot lists.

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There are some communities in Franklin Township that have their own ALPR accounts, right?

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They would have to share that information with the PD if something occurred in their area

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and we needed to investigate, right?

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They have no access to it, they cannot get it, all right?

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Floc automatically deletes data after 30 days by default.

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Floc says they do it, I believe they do it, you have naysayers out here that can say

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they don't do it, but they don't have any proof.

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Floc LPR only take images of publicly available information.

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Anything that's out in public, the camera would take.

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Like I said, there's no expectation of privacy in public.

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Supreme Court has ruled that over and over and over and over again.

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All right, Flock does not have facial recognition.

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They don't have facial recognition.

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For it already does, I'm guaranteed.

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Clear does, I can guarantee you.

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Flock does not.

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All data is encrypted in transit and at rest, including and aligned with.

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There's a ton of things updated.

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I want to get too deep into because I'll lose some of you.

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But basically, it's, the data is encrypted.

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Now, again, if someone has ill intention and air intention is to get into something, they're going to do it.

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Our job is to mitigate it.

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Our job is to stop it.

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Flox job is to stop it.

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Right?

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The township's job is to stop it.

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Right?

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And we implore those techniques to keep everyone safe and keep our systems safe.

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Great video.

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I'm Ashley.

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I don't stop where it is.

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You've probably heard of license plate readers and thought surveillance.

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I understand why it feels that way.

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But that's not what we built.

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License plate readers take images.

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What if I told you that some of the most effective home defense tools don't use a

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sink?

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Sorry video not.

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Not play.

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All right.

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We also have a ALPR transparency portal on the police website.

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On that portal, you can go into the portal, it'll tell you over the last 30 days.

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How many vehicles were detected in Franklin? How many searches we had done and a number

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of hot lists? Hot lists is something when something occurs, we take that license plate

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and we put it into what we call it.

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What was a hot list, and it'll notify other agencies in our agency whenever that vehicle passes, a

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flock camera. Again, for investigative purposes, only. Every search requires a registered ID with an offense type,

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a spoke about that already. Often stipend, user ID is saved in a permanent audit trail. I spoke about that.

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Flog encourages all agencies to conduct regular auditions, short proper uses, and proactive audit,

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to flag potential misuses.

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With that being said, Franklin Township,

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our PD, the state mandates a yearly audit.

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We do a quarterly and a random monthly audit.

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And there's another assistant that just joined our search.

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I'll explain that to you later on.

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All right, Mitson Facts.

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LPR can track people and show police everywhere they go.

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That's a big myth.

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The fact is LPR's take point in time, images of the rear of a vehicle on public roadways.

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They do not continuously track vehicles.

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Any images not used for an investigation are deleted.

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Of course, I've constantly found that taking images of public documents, license plates on public

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roads is not a violation of privacy, which I spoke about.

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Myth, LPR's violate the Fourth Amendment.

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A pellet and federal district courts, in at least 14 states, including a 9th and 11th

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circuits, have upheld the using evidence from licensing plate readers as constitutional

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without requiring a warrant.

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So this is just some of the proven impacts through flock partnership.

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National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they've been able to find over 100

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and children in cases that have been resolved due to the technology.

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From NAACP, in a moment when our communities are demanding both public safety and equitable

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justice, flox safety, LPR technology offers a powerful tool to reduce bias and policing.

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And in mad, those against wrong driving, we believe that any technology that increases point

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crash responsiveness and accountability will help to raise awareness and change behaviors

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to avoid impaired driving.

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Now,

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I am going to

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specifically discuss Frank Township.

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Does everyone get one of these handouts when they come in?

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So, a couple of quick stories.

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In 2022, Frank Township did not have ALPR technology.

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Some surrounding towns did to be a specific Rutgers University.

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The date was 2222, all right? You'll never forget that date now. We had a young lady

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get hit on summer set street. Fatal motor vehicle hit and run. Cartic off. We could not find

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this car. No way know how we were not finding the car. We searched. We called up the local

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he's at ALPR's, asked for their assistance, they hotlisted the vehicle.

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I'm sorry, they were not able to hotlist the vehicle because we did not have a plate.

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It was alleged that the car had no bumper when it struck this lady.

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His lady was running over a couple of times.

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While on some research street, he was at night.

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Eight weeks down the line, a private tow company driving through a parking lot with an ALPR

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hits on his vehicle in a parking lot.

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vehicle comes back stolen, okay? We continue our investigation. Imagine that vehicle

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up, matching that plate that we found on that stolen vehicle to the flock camera, puts

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the vehicle in the area, we find our suspect, he's a successfully convicted. That's 2022.

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So for me that was a pivotal moment in technology, I'm like, wait a minute. So had we had this

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The second knowledge we would have been to find this person probably in a week, right, or maybe

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days.

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Not sure.

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But, move this in the right direction.

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Franklin Township moving forward.

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We have an individual that was missing, elderly male would dementia.

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He took off in his car driving.

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His goal was to drive back to his home country.

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Well, we look for him, we look for him, we couldn't find him. The last thing we had was a flock hit on his license plate going over to Bridgerton, New York City.

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All right? This man is driving around for a week in his car. Could not find him. Once we got that plate hotlisted, a couple hours later in New York City police officer finds him. Park in the car, sitting on a street in New York City.

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We've found multiple stolen vehicles, we've solved multiple armed robberies, we've caught

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serial car burgers, we've caught commercial burglars, we've caught car jackers, we've caught

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people that have committed home invasions, we've located vehicles involved in shootings,

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we've located vehicles involved in homicides using our flock system, just taking a picture

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of that license plate.

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And again, we monitor so that our officers are not abusing the system.

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You got to realize that everybody's a human being.

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Human beings make mistakes.

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If they're intent on doing something, most of the time they're going to do it.

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Like I said, we need to catch them, doing it.

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And officers are not exempt.

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Some officers do some questionable things.

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And when they do it, we have to hold them accountable.

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That audit trail is in place for that reason.

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For that reason.

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Frankton Township, as a police department, is committed to utilizing the Flock Safety ALPR

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System to enhance public safety to turn, solve crimes, and support lawful investigations.

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The system will be operated in a manner that respects individual privacy, rights,

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and compliance with apical laws and regulations.

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Now New Jersey has one of the strictest set of rules governing ALPRs across the nation, and of course I'm going to defend New Jersey and defend Franklin Township, because that's where I work, and that's the community I serve.

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We talked a little bit about what flock does.

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I'm going to use some permissible purposes.

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ALPR shall be using consistent manner to assist the Department of Personnel in accomplishing its mission in homeland security,

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Suspect Introduction, stolen property, recovery, detection of crime, enforcement of state law and local ordinances, identification of stolen vehicles, stolen license plates,

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wanted and missing persons, Amber Alert, Silver Alert, Blue Alert, I'm sorry if I'm saying something you don't understand,

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but Amber Alert, I'm sure we all have heard about it, Silver Alert is usually if someone's missing, and Blue Alert is if an officer is seriously injured or shocked.

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We sent out a blue alert to try to catch that individual.

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Crime prevention and other traffic related matters.

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I gave you an example of the fatal incident we had on 27.

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prohibited uses.

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The ALPR system sent out shall not be used for harassment or intimidation of individuals

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of a group, profiling based on race, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation,

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or other protected characteristics, personal, non-law enforcement purposes,

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infringing upon First Amendment rights and New Jersey law strictly prohibits state and local

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government entities from sharing automated license plate reader data with immigration and

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custom enforcement or any other agency for civil immigration enforcement.

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I'm going to say that again, civil immigration enforcement.

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If it's a criminal war, then that is there.

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And we will use the data to get that permission.

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Database access, I spoke about it a little bit, but I'll touch on it again.

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Whenever a member of the Department of Access is a flock database, a corresponding case number,

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search reason, and a fence type is required.

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One word entries in the search reason field are prohibited, again, red flag.

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data management, data collection.

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Flock safety cameras captured license plate numbers,

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vehicle images, metadata, including time date and location.

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I spoke about this already.

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That is stored and didn't delete it for 30 days on a rolling basis.

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The New Jersey Attorney General, the data stored and retained for a

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period of three years after which data shall be purchased from the

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agencies, data storage device for system, unless it is associated

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with an active investigation or pending judicial process in which the case data should be exported

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from the relevant storage system and retain in the case file. The system is designed to

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automatically purge on the first day after the third year of retention.

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Access control.

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Trial Autotestone Again, our repeat.

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The date is restricted to authorized personnel, all access is logged and is subject to audit, to ensure compliance with the policy.

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Data sharing.

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Data will not be shared with external agencies or third parties without proper legal authorization.

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Any sharing of data must comply with Apple Lois and departmental procedures.

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Oversight and accountability, our touched on it.

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stored ALPR data will be treated as criminal

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investigatory records within the meaning of NJSA-4718-1,

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and shall not be shared or provided to any person's entity

474
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:41,900
or government agency other than law enforcement agency unless

475
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,480
a subpoena or court order authorized such disclosure.

476
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:48,940
Or unless such disclosure is required by court ruling court rules,

477
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,200
government discovery and criminal matters.

478
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,660
Any agency receiving a subpoena or court order for the disclosure of ALPR data shall before

479
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:03,960
complying with that subpoena or court order provide noise to the county prosecutor or the

480
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,440
director of the vision of criminal justice.

481
00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:06,820
So you see these layers.

482
00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:12,960
Even if I get a subpoena to release data, I need to go through the county prosecutor's office,

483
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,180
county prosecutor's office needs to go through the state ALPR and AG office to release that

484
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:19,700
data.

485
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,680
I spoke about the audit annually.

486
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,240
Franklin's takes it up a step a little further.

487
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,300
We do quarterly and random monthly.

488
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:30,740
And

489
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,780
that is in a nutshell,

490
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:43,080
flock and how Franklin Township Police Department

491
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,840
uses the flock for criminal investigations.

492
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:51,520
We stand by the fact that we monitor our officers.

493
00:41:52,180 --> 00:41:54,040
We stand by the fact that we only use it

494
00:41:54,040 --> 00:42:02,180
for an investigatory incident, and we've monitored to make sure that if officer does make

495
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:05,800
a mistake, we hold that officer accountable.

496
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:11,600
I'm sure everybody has seen on internet, clicked on stories, seen stories across the country,

497
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,160
with officers who have, in fact, abuse their authority with flock.

498
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,080
But I will tell you, they have abuse, they're authority with all the other ALP here companies

499
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,740
as well.

500
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:26,840
And if you look them up, you'll probably find out what they did.

501
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:28,580
L-Sag, vigilant,

502
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:33,340
do some more just to keep you informed,

503
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,480
plate-recognizer, recourse systems,

504
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,260
ax-line,

505
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:41,880
plate-smart technologies,

506
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,000
if you just continue to continue to continue to continue.

507
00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:49,540
There are lots of ALPR companies out there.

508
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,360
There are lots of places that record you as you go,

509
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,920
And you don't even know, right?

510
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,320
We all been paying easy pass and tolls for the last,

511
00:42:58,420 --> 00:43:00,320
I don't know how many years, 30 plus years.

512
00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:02,220
Every time you go through that toll booth,

513
00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:03,760
that plate is captured.

514
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:06,880
100% of the time, all this time,

515
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,660
you could be doing 120 or 130.

516
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,480
It's still going to catch your plate.

517
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:11,980
All right?

518
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:14,060
Like I said, when you go to the airport,

519
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:15,160
I've put a tharden.

520
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,760
I was in the airport a couple weeks ago

521
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,340
when individual losses is wallet.

522
00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:26,360
I just happen to be sitting there, when Port Authority walked up to him, and he'd go,

523
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,320
oh, how did he find me?

524
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,280
I said, how do you think they found you?

525
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,560
They found you on camera.

526
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:37,620
They saw your ID in your wallet, and they just watched you on camera to where you came and sat,

527
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,160
and they walked up and gave you your wallet.

528
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,200
So, this technology is not new.

529
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:44,900
It's been out since 1976.

530
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,040
I want to say.

531
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:46,800
I'm correct.

532
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,140
1976 is when LBR technology started to be fully transparent.

533
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:58,140
in Franklin Township. We've had ALPR technologies since 2010. It used to be on our patrol cars.

534
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,640
We drive around into the car and it would just clip the plates and tell us what's going on.

535
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:07,500
Thank you for your attention. Thank you for listening.

536
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:09,640
Would you like something?

537
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:12,720
I don't want to say anything.

538
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:19,320
So, no. What's going to happen is after they're done. The public session is going to happen.

539
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,320
You can ask a question during that and after the public session is done, they can answer it.

540
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:29,420
Good.

541
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:31,620
People just add one thing.

542
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,560
My name is Carl Bach.

543
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:35,120
I'm a public safety manager for Fox safety.

544
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:40,980
Two things to keep in mind that roughly 70% of crime involved with the vehicle in some way.

545
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:49,840
When a missing person is driving a vehicle, this can be information that's used when minutes and hours make a difference between life and death.

546
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:56,280
July 24, the New Jersey man was in his car, suffering a medical condition, complications with dementia.

547
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,860
drove for a 5.5 hours before he made it to Virginia and wrap a panic.

548
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,480
We're a sheriff's officer, sheriff's deputy, I was able to locate the vehicle using a flock camera.

549
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,960
The gentleman was fine, he was recovered, taken to hospital, he's doing fine.

550
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,680
But that's an example of where this technology has been using the real world to reunite someone with their look one.

551
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,640
We heard a lot from the director about what flock technology isn't.

552
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,280
Just read it, read it a few key things. There's no facial recognition.

553
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,040
This is a photograph of the back of a vehicle to capture license plate and vehicle characteristics

554
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,340
There's no personal identify information the camera sees the photo

555
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:38,420
It does not know who the driver is. There's no DMV connection

556
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:41,680
That's what the officer's investigation was that would have to lead

557
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,960
The agency owns all of their data flocked to that cell data

558
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,860
Make that very clear in our contract and our terms and conditions

559
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,460
Appreciate the conversation. This is an important one that deals with public safety and privacy

560
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:57,800
And yeah, I'll head back to the director.

561
00:46:04,090 --> 00:46:05,850
We can move on.

562
00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:06,830
Say that again.

563
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:07,550
We're done.

564
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:09,490
All right.

565
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:15,470
So now what's going to happen is we're going to have public session.

566
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:19,350
I mean, first we'll get it open.

567
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:23,070
So I asked you in the end of this consent to open public session

568
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:26,250
without objection we're open for public session.

569
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:30,170
So because of the number of people here,

570
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:34,070
It's going to be three minutes of person, no yielding of time.

571
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:41,530
No, you can only come up once, please state your name and address.

572
00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:46,810
This is a subject that brings out a lot of passion.

573
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:52,330
I hope that everyone will respect each other, not interrupt anyone.

574
00:46:54,230 --> 00:47:00,050
If you want to give a little moan or a little chair after someone speaks, that's fine.

575
00:47:00,050 --> 00:47:04,730
But we're going to respect each other's rights.

576
00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:08,390
As far as I'm concerned, and this is not a requirement

577
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:14,530
that if you make a claim, I personally would like to know the source of that claim.

578
00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:16,510
Are you an industry expert?

579
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:18,350
Did you work for Flock?

580
00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:20,270
Are you a police expert?

581
00:47:21,850 --> 00:47:25,650
That way, I can, and if you have an article that you've read,

582
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:28,230
if you reference it, that way I can look it up,

583
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:30,450
And I can interpret it.

584
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:32,430
That's not a requirement, though.

585
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:39,690
So with that, we will open to public discussion.

586
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:46,860
Anyone wishing to come up, please come up.

587
00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:50,440
You can form a line, so we don't have as much time lag

588
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,380
between people.

589
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Anyone wishing to speak?

590
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,460
Go ahead.

591
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,660
My name is Chase speaking.

592
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:07,180
I'm like, I don't know, sir, that's what.

593
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,800
My name is John Hattrakis. I live at 85 Arlington Avenue in Somerset. I have a few questions

594
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:23,880
on this lock. One of them is said, they can profit from cases specifically in the tech

595
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,560
profit based on race religion and other things. That implies that they can profit. That's

596
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,600
contrary to what he said. It's a bill profit.

597
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:38,000
That statement says you can profit. Just

598
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,840
This is particular categories, you can't profit.

599
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:44,860
Can you respond to that question?

600
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:51,340
Sir, everyone's going to ask and then once everyone's questions are done, then the answers will come.

601
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,960
Okay. Another question was,

602
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:59,880
the data was deleted after a couple months,

603
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:03,980
but then there's another data storage for three years.

604
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,100
What's the difference between the two data?

605
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:09,700
What else?

606
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:17,320
How come we know about the system when you put it in 22 months ago?

607
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,140
I just learned about recently.

608
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:22,640
I mean, was it put out to the public in Franklin?

609
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,660
Is the question?

610
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,220
Why is it coming up now or not before?

611
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,580
And I guess there was an item that said the tow truck had a camera on it.

612
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,140
Do we have motor vehicles with the cameras on?

613
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,360
It's another question.

614
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,340
I guess that's my name is I could think of quickly. Thank you.

615
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:49,460
Thank you.

616
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:59,370
Good evening everyone. Let's leave 3.021 full of cold summer set.

617
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:14,540
I want to thank the council for having this meeting. I do think that we said that given the nature of the cameras, the LPRs, this should have been advertised bigger than a Franklin date.

618
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:27,120
I think that every citizen in Franklin County should give input if they can and if they want. We do have cell phones in our pockets.

619
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:36,420
They are tractors. I'm someone who turns off everything I can. People do have ring doorbells.

620
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:44,020
They have nest. I don't like it. I don't have an expectation of five to see outside my house.

621
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:57,260
I'm wearing a mask. COVID isn't over. I have a compromised immune system. We're not taking care of each other.

622
00:50:57,260 --> 00:51:07,880
Whether we have cameras up, that the town I'm understanding has paid over $300,000 for, does that come out of our tax money to the police department?

623
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:19,920
I had, and I'm not calling her out, but just as a real life example, there was a car accident on Franklin and Hamilton, you know, people speed they run the runway light at that corner.

624
00:51:20,740 --> 00:51:28,660
And officer, I think she earned it with PTO LEA Lee, bad vibes offer, very bad interaction

625
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:29,680
with her.

626
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,820
I realized accidents are, you know, emotions come or whatever.

627
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,880
But then I go and look on campaign zeros website of police officers who have abuse power.

628
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,900
And she's on there.

629
00:51:44,900 --> 00:52:10,040
With complaints, we need to deal with policing, we need to move forward with community policing, we don't need tools, even if they catch one criminal, but compromise us all, it's not worth it, this, I'm sorry sir, it's not enough, it looks like we did it 20 minutes ago.

630
00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:15,360
It's this every day in the 23 months, it's not a long time.

631
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:22,340
I think we've got a digital spreadsheet, I'm just, I just think that more of these meetings

632
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:28,300
are needed and we need to open up the conversation and it's going to be contentious,

633
00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:36,700
but you know, the courts may have ruled that it's constitutional, but if you're using flock

634
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:42,890
As the main basis for probable cause, you're going to run into something that I realized

635
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:46,470
as a judicial system that's sort of going off the cliff right now, in the end you won't

636
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:46,790
win.

637
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:50,350
We can police without stalking.

638
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:52,860
Thank you.

639
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:07,260
Thank you.

640
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,200
I am El Rampador.

641
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,840
I'm with SatibaCross.org.

642
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,440
I'm here for a message for Governor Cheryl.

643
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:21,400
Cancer patients go to jail for five years for one plan, but we make billions of dollars

644
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,280
off the Canada Center Street here in Jersey.

645
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:31,880
patients have been forgotten about. We have no wheelchair access to dispensaries. That's

646
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,480
shocking to me. There's no wheelchair access to police stations. That's also shocking.

647
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:45,280
There's no access to post-offices. Why are the disabled forgotten about introducing?

648
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:51,380
We have urban enterprise zones. We're disabled people can't get in to get their tax

649
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:57,220
rates because if you go to an urban enterprise zone, you can get tax breaks, but in these

650
00:53:57,220 --> 00:54:00,680
cities where there's urban enterprise zones is usually steps and if you're in a wheelchair

651
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,500
if you're a disabled bank, you can't get those same tax breaks, disabled body people

652
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,760
actually be a huge lawsuit.

653
00:54:09,050 --> 00:54:12,030
The Zoom access that you used to have for 19 months, you don't

654
00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:17,470
have anymore. I don't know why you stopped the Zoom access. People used to be able to take

655
00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:22,450
from their beds, from their hospital beds, from their wheelchairs, from their homes.

656
00:54:23,410 --> 00:54:24,150
And now they can't do it.

657
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:25,670
After 19 months, they can't do it.

658
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:27,290
Why was the Zoom access taken away?

659
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:32,110
I understand you have it online, but people cannot take pork online.

660
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:34,510
And that's the whole point of the Zoom access.

661
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:38,830
Medical cannabis patients have been forgotten about here in New Jersey.

662
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:47,130
We need to go from a share to act to acknowledge that senders' guitarry has been blocking

663
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:48,010
home-grow hearings.

664
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:50,370
Not a vote, but home-grow hearings.

665
00:54:51,490 --> 00:54:54,270
Where many black and brown people are now being arrested for home-grow.

666
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:57,150
The new Jim Crow isn't out of Jim Crow.

667
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:59,970
Now black people and brown people are being arrested.

668
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,180
Left and right, for growing cannabis, which is supposedly constitutionally legal and

669
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:08,720
majority. When people say to be, why you're protesting, Senator Skutari's office, it's

670
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:14,420
legal. I saw it. I voted on it so we could grow it. I said, no, you can't grow it. You can't

671
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:18,860
grow it. Stop telling people you're growing weed. Because it's illegal, they're going to

672
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:24,400
arrest you. And a lot of people will grow weed in Jersey. People are getting arrested, left

673
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,860
and right. Governor Cheryl was quiet about the last arrest. But she knows about them.

674
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,360
What are you going to do about this governor Cheryl?

675
00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:37,160
Disabled vet's need your help. What are you going to do about it?

676
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:44,920
We need help. We need compassion. We need love and we need affordable cannabis because I can't afford my cannabis

677
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:51,500
I'm broke and I can't afford it. I need to grow my own. I need I need a lot of help

678
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:58,200
I can't afford it. So please help us and I'm I'm in pretty good shape as far as most people. I have an artificial disk I've fusion

679
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,480
I'm full of

680
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,740
metal in my back

681
00:56:00,740 --> 00:56:04,800
and I have cancer level pain that I need a lot of cannabis for oils,

682
00:56:05,540 --> 00:56:11,120
tankers, and I can't afford them, and that's my testimony here today.

683
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:15,240
Thank you very much. They shall grow not old as we better let go of old A.C.

684
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:22,360
and I'll leave them to you at the going down at the sun, and in the morning we will remember that. Thank you.

685
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,060
Thank you sir.

686
00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:47,660
Thank you.

687
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,380
I know I lost two minutes, so I'll try to stick.

688
00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:56,340
I want to say thank you for this informative presentation as a resident.

689
00:56:56,860 --> 00:57:03,400
I appreciate that Franklin PD has been, my name is AJ Hoffman, I live in Franklin Park.

690
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,460
Do you need full address?

691
00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:07,620
Yes.

692
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:08,880
Okay.

693
00:57:10,660 --> 00:57:11,000
Yes.

694
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:14,740
Four, eleven, green, hell, men, or drive, Franklin Park.

695
00:57:15,860 --> 00:57:19,580
As a resident, I appreciate Franklin, please, Perman, has better regulation than

696
00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:23,300
many jurisdictions that have implemented these ALPR systems.

697
00:57:24,260 --> 00:57:28,900
However, we're describing the current state and some ALPR marketing.

698
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,820
So I want to be clear, we're not just talking about flock.

699
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:33,120
We're talking about the entire system.

700
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,580
We're talking about ALPR readers.

701
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,300
And since 2010, I also have been protesting these ALPR readers

702
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:43,040
that have been on cars, sitting in parking lots,

703
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,500
sitting in the mall, treating every American driver

704
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:49,420
as if we are a potential criminal.

705
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,740
So that's a big problem that I have.

706
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,620
I am a software engineer with 30 years experience

707
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:56,440
coding for the web.

708
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:59,840
My top three areas of concern, regards civil rights,

709
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,900
secure data handling of personal data and the environmental impact.

710
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,760
So the FOX system does violate our rights, guarantee it under the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 4th,

711
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:12,600
10th amendments.

712
00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:17,960
These systems provide a back door for agencies to illegally access information that would ordinarily

713
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,140
require a warrant.

714
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,820
This is a privately owned system that enables law enforcement personnel to certain event

715
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:24,940
our constitutional protections.

716
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,120
The FOX system before it was mass surveillance, threatens our right to free speech, freedom

717
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,640
of assembly and free association.

718
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,980
These FOX systems violate our right to be free

719
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:36,920
from unreasonable searches and our right to do process.

720
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,680
These systems violate the equal protection clause

721
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,300
by enabling the police target specific groups.

722
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,920
This has a disproportionate impact on marginalized communities

723
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,400
such as the LGBTQIA community that I do belong to

724
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,520
and our black and brown communities

725
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,640
and that we are already experiencing over policing.

726
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,380
As Americans, we believe that people are innocent

727
00:58:57,380 --> 00:58:59,620
So proving guilty in a court of law, the flock system

728
00:58:59,620 --> 00:59:02,140
tags us all as guilty and potential criminals

729
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:03,500
rather than free citizens.

730
00:59:05,780 --> 00:59:07,380
The secure handling of personal data,

731
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,420
the indiscriminate collection of data

732
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:11,660
creates a juicy target for hackers and other bad actors

733
00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:13,600
simultaneously, this is the massive amount of data

734
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,300
prevents the efficient analysis of actual threats.

735
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,540
The risk of breaches a very real plus.

736
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,340
Officers of major restrictions have already been

737
00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:22,460
caught misusing the system to stalk and harass women.

738
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,640
And when there is a settlement, taxpayers will be on the hook.

739
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:32,100
I did want to mention that the EZPAS system conduit, they had a data breach, and so with all

740
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:33,920
these breaches, this information is already out there.

741
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,520
Finally, the environmental impact of these systems cannot be stored.

742
00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:40,920
The master railing system requires storage for the massive amount of data and relies on AI to

743
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:41,740
connect the data points.

744
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,960
Yes, you have an implement to get, but it's an over-the-airup update, then it's coming, and

745
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,580
it's done in other communities.

746
00:59:48,340 --> 00:59:52,860
So on the Township, County, and State level, we need to fight this on every level with the

747
00:59:52,860 --> 00:59:57,200
LPR systems because we know it just grows. The fox system

748
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,980
concert should be kept in the township level and in the township.

749
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,680
This is a support efforts to cancel Somerset County and state-level contracts.

750
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,740
Every installed camera should be as good as Somerset County installed on breaking polls for

751
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:10,500
cross safety and law enforcement should answer to this.

752
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,060
If you could sum up, please.

753
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,180
Thank you.

754
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,080
Thank you.

755
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:25,650
First of all, we owe Super Crew V6 in Bloomfield, Somerset.

756
01:00:26,770 --> 01:00:30,730
That there are bad actors who may use this technology as a lesser concerned than if the state itself

757
01:00:30,730 --> 01:00:31,750
becomes a bad actor.

758
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:36,170
I invite everyone to look at the New York Times as his article precisely on opposition to these

759
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:41,590
cameras at which is, at the center of which is the flock, of course, who is represented here

760
01:00:41,590 --> 01:00:43,230
today for what I imagine as a PR job.

761
01:00:43,830 --> 01:00:47,130
The resolution of any criminal matter is good, but the end cannot justify the means in

762
01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:49,810
all cases, especially when civil liberties are potentially at stake.

763
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:52,950
Our crime rate remains relatively low compared to the national average.

764
01:00:53,370 --> 01:00:57,190
The question is whether their purported benefits justify the continued use of machine-driven

765
01:00:57,190 --> 01:01:01,310
surveillance, especially in an age where generative AI is advancing at unimaginable rates with

766
01:01:01,310 --> 01:01:01,950
few guardrails.

767
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:05,770
It may be that the courts have stated that these machines do not yet violate the Fourth Amendment,

768
01:01:05,770 --> 01:01:08,470
But the question is what this infrastructure can be utilized for as AI

769
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:10,830
advances, and what the court will say as new situations arise.

770
01:01:11,530 --> 01:01:13,650
It is one thing for the state to require police who are body

771
01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:16,010
cameras to record its own actions in the interest of public safety

772
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:16,590
and accountability.

773
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:19,350
However, it is an altogether different thing for the state to install

774
01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:21,350
cameras on public property with the express purpose

775
01:01:21,350 --> 01:01:24,230
of flagging without a warrant, the location of an individual's

776
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:26,490
vehicle, especially if this is part of an actually shared network.

777
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:28,410
Although this is not continuous tracking,

778
01:01:28,570 --> 01:01:30,470
it does enable tracking by law enforcement from point

779
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:31,290
and time snapshots.

780
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:33,630
The easy past comparison is almost laughable,

781
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:37,190
because we can voluntarily choose to not use the toll-way or the airport for that matter.

782
01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:40,010
But if you wish to avoid these cameras, you would need to not use public roads,

783
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:41,890
which is untenable in current city planning.

784
01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:49,790
Again, the worthwhile ended in proving public safety does not justify all means and certainly shouldn't justify continued warrantless machine-driven surveillance by the state,

785
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:55,010
to say nothing of the increasingly absurd allocation of public resources to private, for-profit companies,

786
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:57,750
versus the investment in public goods like housing and education.

787
01:01:58,410 --> 01:02:00,690
With any company that deals in data, one must ask the following.

788
01:02:00,690 --> 01:02:06,230
How much greater is the net value they're getting out of the contract, compared to the value the customer gets, especially if the equipment is rented?

789
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:09,730
I would caution against thinking that the only value they get is the price of the contract.

790
01:02:09,850 --> 01:02:13,510
They are a for-profit company. They are doing this not out of the generosity of their hearts.

791
01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:16,070
It was said that we own the data because we pay for it.

792
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:20,750
If that's the case, it would seem that you're buying the rights to it, and you can only buy something that is not yours to begin with.

793
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:22,790
And what will happen if the rental fee increases?

794
01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:27,010
Can another jurisdiction take over the equipment and use it for its own surveillance goals?

795
01:02:27,010 --> 01:02:41,290
To think these concerns are exaggerated or alarmists would be too assume a short-sighted perspective that disregards A, the increasing incidence of states surveillance in the US and globally, and B, the simple fact that the most valuable commodity today is our data, and actors good and batter willing to pay a lot of money for it.

796
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:53,990
Among other things, the so-called A-I Revolution represents a moment in history of technology, where tech companies, which I would include flock in, now have the capability to troll the data we're creating today at scale, but also to troll the data we've created in the passing of they've stored for decades.

797
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:55,390
I lost my spot.

798
01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:57,050
Ultimately, for their own financial benefit,

799
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:59,230
no matter what a sales or PR rep tells you,

800
01:02:59,310 --> 01:03:00,910
they are not sincerely interested in being a part

801
01:03:00,910 --> 01:03:03,490
of a community, PR-blood-beating, not with standing.

802
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:06,230
They are a for-profit company interested only in their ROI

803
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:09,310
and how cameras in our township can expand the cash

804
01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:10,850
of their surveillance operations,

805
01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:13,330
which will itself become a part of another sales pitch, et cetera.

806
01:03:13,890 --> 01:03:15,110
It falls in us to ensure that our values

807
01:03:15,110 --> 01:03:16,610
are rights in our communities cannot be bought.

808
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:18,870
It is unlikely that we can stop the ongoing encroach

809
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:20,770
from the state surveillance and big tech into our communities,

810
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:22,850
but what we can do is slow them down using legal means.

811
01:03:22,850 --> 01:03:27,490
I ask the township to either discontinue all contracted flock or at least allowed them to expire without renewal.

812
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:32,410
Lastly, I would like to sincerely take the law enforcement office to the service and their sacrifice to our community.

813
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:42,180
But even in my name is Gary Primo, 21st of Scott Somerset.

814
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:50,440
What gets me about this whole flock thing is the secrecy of it.

815
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,520
We just suddenly see these black poles on the sidewalk.

816
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:01,560
No communication, what this was, no input, no markings on these polls.

817
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,220
The polls don't say Franklin Township Police Department.

818
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,580
The polls don't even say flock.

819
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,360
It's just a black poll that I saw on the street.

820
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:13,760
What is that?

821
01:04:13,860 --> 01:04:14,960
What is that?

822
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,420
I walked up to it, took a picture, did a Google image search, and that's when I learned

823
01:04:19,420 --> 01:04:20,220
about flock.

824
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:26,360
In my town, I've been in this town for God knows all, I don't know, many years.

825
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,700
And no one said, hey, we said not this surveillance system to protect you.

826
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:37,400
Meanwhile, you have 60,000 hits a month.

827
01:04:39,740 --> 01:04:45,560
And this, this, this officer, this.

828
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:56,460
60,000 hits in a month, 60,000, you need hits and you have half a page of a rest.

829
01:04:56,860 --> 01:04:59,760
You have, I think it's 13 or 14 a rest.

830
01:05:00,140 --> 01:05:29,520
Over two, no, four years. No, no, when you got this 24 months, 23 months, 23 months, 1314 arrests. Everyone is in this system. Every time I go to McDonald's, I pass a flock. Every time I go to the eastern end of JFK, there's a flock. There was recently a flock in the past few weeks, but up on Douglas and Somerset everywhere. And it's not just this town.

831
01:05:30,140 --> 01:05:34,780
That's what is, we being tracked everywhere we go and y'all are just saying,

832
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,020
do you being tracked anyway?

833
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:51,340
Shnick Davis, 227 Blake Avenue, I have three questions too, which have already been raised.

834
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:56,880
Can you clarify what data are kept for 30 days and what data are kept by the AG for three years?

835
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:02,420
The individual examples of successful investigations are helpful, but will the department provide aggregate

836
01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:07,680
and annual data? I don't know if that was on the transparency website or the thing that was mentioned

837
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:13,320
like the number of alerts confirm hits, like how are you evaluating that this program is successful or not?

838
01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:18,300
And then lastly, can you tell us more about the internal auditing process?

839
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,720
Is it being led by a committee? Is it by an internal committee?

840
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,960
An external committee? Kind of who's doing that internal oversight and what does that look like?

841
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:26,940
Thank you.

842
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,780
Jim Dawson, at 34, Norwich Place.

843
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:41,780
I urge you to say a few times that for I can tell you it will not sell data to other entities.

844
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,460
That's not what I'm worried about.

845
01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:48,560
What I'm worried about is that flock is going to sell data to other entities.

846
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:55,460
Now, with all due respect, I heard you say flock will not sell to other entities,

847
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,720
but I disagree with you.

848
01:06:58,340 --> 01:07:01,600
I have a documentation to back myself up.

849
01:07:02,260 --> 01:07:09,080
It's an article published by the American Civil Liberties Union last April, April 16th,

850
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:21,760
The title is Municipal, like Municipal, beware of the changes in the flux, legal terms if you're using or considering license plate readers.

851
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:30,220
And this article gives documentation that last February, six months ago,

852
01:07:30,220 --> 01:07:41,060
Flock made changes to water contracts with towns and cities to give more power to Flock and take that power away from cities and towns like Franklin.

853
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,180
So you may think you have power, but you don't.

854
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,080
Flock has all the power now. They could do whatever they want.

855
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:54,230
Control over data.

856
01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:58,590
The new contract that went into effect last February.

857
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:06,370
The previous contract had a statement saying that Flock does not own the data and Flock will not sell data.

858
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:11,350
But now with the new contract, that statement has been taken out of the contract.

859
01:08:11,590 --> 01:08:13,310
That statement is no longer there.

860
01:08:14,370 --> 01:08:22,470
So Flock can now sell data to third parties, including agencies of the federal government.

861
01:08:24,970 --> 01:08:32,350
Now, what one more thing in this article, okay, control over data, the new contract grants

862
01:08:32,350 --> 01:08:38,790
flock the exclusive right to determine and to control the method, the timing, the format,

863
01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:44,170
and the medium, access to the data that was supposedly belong to the city or town.

864
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:49,610
All right, so what that means is, okay, you're the township, okay, you get a data feed from

865
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:49,950
flock.

866
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:52,210
They get the data before you do.

867
01:08:52,650 --> 01:08:55,170
You don't even see the data before they have it.

868
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:56,730
They give the data to you.

869
01:08:57,110 --> 01:09:00,410
But you don't know what they're doing to the data before they give it to you.

870
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:05,310
So what this new contract says, the fuck?

871
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:10,190
Instead of giving you a raw data feed from their cameras,

872
01:09:10,810 --> 01:09:14,150
they can make copies of it and make alterations,

873
01:09:14,730 --> 01:09:17,690
or anything they want before they give it to the town.

874
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:24,350
Okay. All right. So, again, if you want me to send you e-mail, e-mail, this is what

875
01:09:24,350 --> 01:09:32,590
you call to you, let me know. It was published by the American civil liberties. You, you,

876
01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:34,770
you, you, you, you, and thank you. Okay. Okay. Thanks.

877
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:49,380
Hello. I'm Jason Rand. I'm at 36 gates road and also 3-5-7 castle place. I just moved

878
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:50,300
but they're both in Franklin.

879
01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:55,300
I had a couple questions that I didn't hear addressed.

880
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,560
One was, I don't think we actually talked about how much the system is costing.

881
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,720
The township, and I would love if that was public information and consideration on what other things that money could go to instead.

882
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:14,920
I do want to just also say that I applaud that Franklin is requiring more audits than the state requires.

883
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:18,740
I think that's great, and I think auditing is super important for this kind of system.

884
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:27,140
My background is in doing IT and cybersecurity for small businesses, like lawyers and accounting firms.

885
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:30,680
So I had a couple specific questions.

886
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,440
Specifically, ease, frank internship and forcing multi-factor authentication when accessing the system for all employees.

887
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:46,140
Is it tied into single sign-on with the Microsoft 365 that I believe the township uses for your emails?

888
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:54,300
If not, I would recommend that that is absolutely implemented two years ago because that should have

889
01:10:54,300 --> 01:11:01,280
been standard no matter what. That is basic security and my understanding is that is not the default for every

890
01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:10,100
municipality. So I want to make sure that that is done. You said that you don't know if they're actually deleting the data after 30 days.

891
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:19,300
And you are the government, you should probably be requiring somebody to look at the source code and make sure that they actually are.

892
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:23,880
Don't just take somebody's word for it, make sure that it actually happens.

893
01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:30,700
You also said that if a bad actor wants to access the data, they will.

894
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:40,080
I think that's a terrible excuse for poor cybersecurity that we could choose to not have it and then that actors wouldn't get their hands on it.

895
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:47,040
So, just saying that being able to be broken into is not really acceptable,

896
01:11:49,940 --> 01:12:05,920
and I wanted to double check that Franklin does not allow Demo access to flock for flock employees to access the data that some other municipalities apparently have given access to, and I think that's worth checking in the contract.

897
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:14,560
and maybe requiring multiple officers to sign off on any search that's done to prevent

898
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:21,460
a back data after before it needs to be audited would just help leave any ones fears

899
01:12:21,460 --> 01:12:24,200
of a rogue officer going off and stalking someone.

900
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:25,140
Thank you, Rita.

901
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,120
Excuse me, excuse me, sir.

902
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:34,160
I didn't understand the demo access, what did you mean by that?

903
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,860
There was inter-mic, please.

904
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,140
Oh, sorry.

905
01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:38,700
Oh, that.

906
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:47,900
There was in Georgia, I believe, a case where a flock employee pulled up a live camera feed from

907
01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:54,040
a municipality to show another municipality how it works and that kind of things.

908
01:12:54,280 --> 01:13:01,340
And it showed that flock could just access anyone's camera at any time without proper authorization.

909
01:13:01,820 --> 01:13:02,480
Thank you.

910
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,580
Okay, Sanchi, Sharma, A9, Cherrywood Drive.

911
01:13:08,020 --> 01:13:11,840
I have a paper here with paragraphs and sources that I will give to you later.

912
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,480
That's okay.

913
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:21,820
Okay, so I am particularly concerned about ALPR specifically in this political environment, where terms like crimes, criminals, and terrorists keep changing.

914
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:25,200
And I would like to bring attention to the Flock CEO.

915
01:13:25,340 --> 01:13:27,580
This is quoted from an article from the ACLU.

916
01:13:27,940 --> 01:13:33,600
Flock CEO attacks motives of people who care about privacy saying they're trying to normalize, lawlessness, and let murderers go free.

917
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:39,240
He also apologized for calling Deep Lock Terrace in a different article flock and the law enforcement agencies

918
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:44,440
We partner with our under coordinated tackies in the email. It's an ACLU article. I can also find it for you

919
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:48,220
I've heard this from a specific channel. I do not like. I do not like these words

920
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:54,360
I do not like to be used like this and if Flock CEO is saying that I don't like that. Okay, um, let me see

921
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,160
So I work in domestic violence like I work for a domestic violence agency and

922
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,640
And that actors can really, really mess up somebody's life.

923
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:09,340
And I know people who are scared because people maybe like their parents work in law enforcement

924
01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:15,640
and have access to specific resources, I also go to confidential places.

925
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,360
And yes, it might not actively track where I'm going, but I don't think if you have a pattern

926
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,720
or where I'm driving every day, different stop lights, it's that hard to track where I am.

927
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,880
You know, if you look, I'm not saying anyone cares, but I don't like it, and I think the people I work for

928
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,560
who need confidentiality and safety right now because they're really vulnerable to not like it either.

929
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,560
Okay, let me move on, sorry, go on speedway.

930
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:42,740
Okay, I'm just going to quickly read off a couple of these article pieces I have.

931
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,320
In March, for instance, an officer resigned from Milwaukee Police Department after

932
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:54,700
allegedly using department's network of ALPRs to track its romantic partner in one of the

933
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:59,980
For instance, Records Reveal, this is completely different that a Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Texas

934
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:21,180
This use block in 2025 to search for the location of a woman purported to have had a self-induced abortion. Even though abortion, the forfeet of liability was legal in states like Washington, Illinois, block cameras in these states were nonetheless enrolled in the hunt for this woman. Please let me know if that is allowed, or is that something you do? Okay. Let me look. Okay.

935
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:29,560
Flock, the false positives here, arguably the highest profile contract translation flock came

936
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,180
when the Los Angeles Police Department decided to renown her new is years-long contract

937
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:37,180
with the company, a decision-motivated by a searing internal out of the company's technology.

938
01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:41,520
The internal out of it found that in just two months, block ALPR's contributed to 161 false

939
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:49,120
stolen vehicle alerts, resulting in a false positive rate of 32.3%, okay, I also think this money

940
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,440
can be put towards poverty, other things that cause crime, instead of us servalancing people.

941
01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:59,000
Lastly, in my freshman year of college, we had this one guy who really messed up the bathroom

942
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,000
and this other guy was like, I'm just going to stand outside the bathroom and you know what?

943
01:16:02,020 --> 01:16:06,340
I was like, that's weird. You can't just police people like that. That's not okay. It's weird.

944
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:08,440
This is weird. That's it. Thanks.

945
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:18,140
Good evening everyone. Jump up to the white seven Gary court here

946
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:27,220
summer set. My first is a non-flock issue. In the driveway of the complex, there is a flag,

947
01:16:27,660 --> 01:16:33,280
don't tread on the flag, which I recall is a Tea Party flag and it's highly partisan political,

948
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:38,220
and I'm wondering why that flag exists in our township in our municipal complex.

949
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:43,600
Regarding flag and I don't think three minutes is enough time to cover this, but I just have

950
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,400
questions. I don't have any statement and my questions are more towards protecting the township

951
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,300
from any issues and our citizens from issues that are created by this.

952
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,760
So it does flag, it does flock the company and

953
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,300
identify the township, should it systems be used in a way that potentially

954
01:16:57,300 --> 01:16:59,440
opens up the township to litigation.

955
01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:01,000
That's question number one.

956
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,880
Question number two, and each of the examples given by the

957
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,660
public sector director about our release of our privacy information,

958
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:10,560
airports, tolls, cell phones, etc.

959
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:14,500
There's a warrant requirement required to use that data.

960
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:18,160
when our warrants required to use flock data.

961
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:24,020
Third, judges have warned in Schmidt versus the City of Norfolk,

962
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:29,200
and U.S. versus Elijah Porter, and I can get the site notations for you if necessary,

963
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,420
that the density of cameras determines whether or not there may be a Fourth Amendment violation.

964
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,600
So what protections have we put in place to ensure that we don't create a density issue

965
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,340
and the township or in specific warrants within a township?

966
01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:49,240
The fourth question, I've seen a case where a motorist was, this is about false positives,

967
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:55,540
where a motorist was accused in a hidden run of a pedestrian based on flat camera capture

968
01:17:55,540 --> 01:18:02,740
of his vehicle when the culprit was actually driving the same making model vehicle past the ALPR

969
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:05,300
at approximately the same time.

970
01:18:05,740 --> 01:18:11,360
So how often are false positives flagged and what are we doing to make sure we can prevent

971
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,320
false positives?

972
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:18,680
And the last question I have is, what would it take for the township to agree to a citizen

973
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,620
oversight of flock audits?

974
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:21,980
Thank you.

975
01:18:28,420 --> 01:18:28,940
Good evening.

976
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:43,160
Lois Kage, 123 Gerard Avenue, so I have to thank YouTube and John Oliver for finding out

977
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,200
about this whole police surveillance and flock.

978
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:54,680
And then thank you to a friend of mine here who now told me about this meeting today.

979
01:18:55,380 --> 01:19:01,800
And then I hear the questions that came before me about people wondering when this happened,

980
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,600
how it happened, essentially no information.

981
01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:12,100
So I'm one of those people who are modifying about this through last week tonight, the algorithm.

982
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:20,620
So, I stand here because what I want to know is one, the accountability.

983
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:26,000
Who decided that this is appropriate for Franklin Township?

984
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,300
I'll tell you that I went on the flop website somewhere, and then I found,

985
01:19:31,420 --> 01:19:34,360
I actually was able to see where these cameras are situated.

986
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:46,000
I see them concentrated somewhere on what is that street called Hamilton and Franklin Boulevard and a little outweigh.

987
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:58,680
So I don't even know how that was decided. Usually I see this township giving us a lot of information information we need, information we don't need, this information we need that we didn't get.

988
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:12,040
I want to know how this information that is supposedly owned by Franklin Township, if it is accessible

989
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:19,840
under Opera. And if so, what do we get, what is stored, what can be gotten under Opera.

990
01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:26,040
And then I want to know also, we hear about metadata, so I want to know the associated

991
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:35,180
metadata with this information, that's let us know. And then I do know that a lot of this information

992
01:20:35,180 --> 01:20:42,220
is going to be related to criminal investigation records and so on and so forth. So I want to

993
01:20:42,220 --> 01:20:50,400
know if the township is taking a position, whether each and every record is concerns in investigation

994
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,340
and criminal work, and is therefore exempt from opera.

995
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:02,300
And so also as was brought up by someone else before me, are we also storing information

996
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:13,280
regarding misreads, information that, you know, if the device or whatever collects also information

997
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,520
that is not correct, essentially.

998
01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:17,240
Thank you.

999
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:24,550
Hi, my name is Karen Bennett.

1000
01:21:24,710 --> 01:21:30,070
I live at 39 Cedar Brook Drive in Somerset and I wasn't planning to speak tonight, but I wanted

1001
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:35,070
to stand here in support of everyone that spoke before me, and echo what they said.

1002
01:21:35,070 --> 01:21:41,810
In addition, I've listened to this most noble presentation that was given to us regarding the use

1003
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:46,370
of these cameras to catch her, you know, a handful of criminals in the occasional wandering

1004
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:53,310
Alzheimer's patients, and these intentions are indeed noble, but isn't that how the road

1005
01:21:53,310 --> 01:22:01,010
to hell is paved. In addition, I think that having a camera on the corner of JFK in Hamilton,

1006
01:22:01,550 --> 01:22:06,790
which is not a toll-plaza, which is not a near-port. It does not justify the big brother's surveillance

1007
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:12,130
that we have going here. I see a lot of board faces at the day, so I know what mine

1008
01:22:12,130 --> 01:22:18,790
are already made up, and nothing here is going to change, but I'm telling you for a fact that

1009
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:24,450
while you may trust your own processes and maybe have a accountability if somebody goes

1010
01:22:24,450 --> 01:22:30,370
off the reservation and starts stalking people, I don't trust flock. I don't believe that

1011
01:22:30,370 --> 01:22:35,510
flock could not be hacked not only by other entities that want to come in, but maybe even

1012
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:40,890
foreign governments. And I think that this is a very bad idea and you need to rethink it

1013
01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,670
or we are all going to pay. Thank you.

1014
01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:53,790
Oh, I'm a minor, so I'm just going to say my name is Zoe and I'm in the right than high school.

1015
01:22:54,210 --> 01:22:54,790
Yes, thank you.

1016
01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:56,710
Now the man?

1017
01:22:56,850 --> 01:23:01,450
There's a man before me that asked how many misuses, how many cases of misuses,

1018
01:23:01,650 --> 01:23:04,270
misuses, misuses, mistakes as this machine made, and how often this is made.

1019
01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:09,230
Well, again, there's an article by the auto wire on the often news that I can read.

1020
01:23:09,230 --> 01:23:19,110
There are two cases in June, 2026 that show less in space that have two numbers smaller than the rest of the numbers in the lesson split,

1021
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:24,110
therefore a misread and detained for hours before being released.

1022
01:23:24,650 --> 01:23:31,790
Sherwood Arkansas, Governor where in 2026, Cameron misread a digit on an innocent couple's plate and flagged a stolen.

1023
01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:36,890
Officers ordered the couple at a gun point, while there are six week old baby remained alone in the back seat.

1024
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:43,390
Sherry Woods, Colorado, April 2026, a driver was repeatedly pulled over after officers mistakenly

1025
01:23:43,390 --> 01:23:47,130
you entered his own plate onto a flock hot list instead of a suspects.

1026
01:23:47,950 --> 01:23:54,770
Felicia County, Florida, April 2026, a flock capture led officers to misidentified a driver's

1027
01:23:54,770 --> 01:23:59,430
car as one linked to a fatal accident. He spent 13 days in jail before the era was found.

1028
01:23:59,970 --> 01:24:05,350
Boulder County, Colorado, December 2025, another Colorado driver was repeatedly stopped after

1029
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:07,450
or own plate was mistakenly added to a hot list.

1030
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:10,150
San Diego, California, November 25,

1031
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:13,170
officers searching for a red Alfa Romeo side,

1032
01:24:13,670 --> 01:24:14,890
tied to an attempted car jacking

1033
01:24:14,890 --> 01:24:17,110
relied on Fox vehicle appearance matching,

1034
01:24:17,550 --> 01:24:19,830
which flagged a different red Alfa Romeo five miles

1035
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:20,650
from the crime scene.

1036
01:24:21,130 --> 01:24:23,930
A passenger, in that car, spent nearly a month

1037
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:25,490
and jail before the mistake was caught.

1038
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:28,710
Denver, Colorado, September 25,

1039
01:24:29,290 --> 01:24:31,070
an officer misread a set of flock captures

1040
01:24:31,070 --> 01:24:33,750
and romney attributed a string of thefts

1041
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:34,910
to an innocent woman.

1042
01:24:35,530 --> 01:24:37,590
Jefferson County, Colorado, August 2025.

1043
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:40,270
A third Colorado driver was repeatedly pulled over

1044
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:43,250
after her plate, her plate was mistakenly hotlisted.

1045
01:24:44,230 --> 01:24:46,330
Reddenman, Washington, August 2025.

1046
01:24:46,910 --> 01:24:48,110
A data leaking error connected

1047
01:24:48,110 --> 01:24:50,990
a suspect to be equal to his innocent father,

1048
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:53,190
leading officers to detain the wrong man.

1049
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:57,530
Lafayah, India, Indiana, India, July 2024.

1050
01:24:58,250 --> 01:24:59,970
I can't remember this red led to

1051
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:09,940
Innocent driver being detained at gunpoint. More sown Tennessee June 24, a camera read in OZERO, a OZERO, leading officers to

1052
01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:14,940
detained two grand pairs at gunpoint in front of their three-year-old granddaughter. North Middle Beach,

1053
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:21,740
South Carolina, May 24. Officers, misidentified of vehicle from an alert, and detained an innocent

1054
01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:29,600
teenager at gunpoint. Toledo, Ohio, April 2024. A camera misread a seven as a two, officer detained

1055
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,960
The driver at gunpoint deployed a police dog against him and held him for several hours.

1056
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:39,140
York County, South Carolina, February 24, and July 2026.

1057
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:43,320
And innocent motorists was held at gunpoint in 2024 after a misred character on his plate,

1058
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,760
which the sheriff's office attributed to the tinted plate covered.

1059
01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:52,140
A second York County driver, Stephen Melbourne, is now suing after a similar misred

1060
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:54,680
of a single letter this year.

1061
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:57,580
Let's do another gunpoint dog.

1062
01:25:57,580 --> 01:26:07,060
There's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 more on that, more on that specific article.

1063
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:08,940
Thank you.

1064
01:26:09,180 --> 01:26:09,720
Thank you.

1065
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,840
Michelle Peterson, 66 Wilson Road.

1066
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:23,700
Whether anyone says these exact words tonight are not, we will be asked to accept this conclusion.

1067
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,640
The benefit to the many outweighs the privacy concerns of the few.

1068
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,600
Flock does not begin with a suspect and monitor that suspect's vehicle.

1069
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,520
It records every vehicle that passes and stores that information.

1070
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,000
So police can search it later.

1071
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,040
The system collects information about every single one of us,

1072
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,480
not just people suspected of committing crimes.

1073
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,960
We're going to be told that the system reads license plates, not people.

1074
01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:49,660
But a license plate is connected to a person with enough cameras.

1075
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:54,800
These records can reveal whether someone traveled and established a pattern of movement.

1076
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:03,660
Facial recognition isn't even necessary to learn that someone visited a church, political meeting, medical office, private home, or protest.

1077
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:09,320
Tonight's officials will not remain in office forever. You guys aren't going to be around forever.

1078
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:18,640
Police leadership will change. Council members will change. Laws will change. Contracts and company policies will change, and absolutely technology will change.

1079
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,140
Please, Director, are you saying that the

1080
01:27:21,140 --> 01:27:25,220
Flock cameras in place now will never be capable of facial recognition?

1081
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,420
But does not, and cannot is not the same as cannot.

1082
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,260
There's another part of Flock's business that

1083
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:38,120
Council and residents need to understand, and this is from their website, Mayor.

1084
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,340
In 2024, Flock made a major strategic expansion by acquiring

1085
01:27:42,340 --> 01:27:47,200
AeroDome, a company specializing in automated drone as first responder technology.

1086
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:56,700
Block is building an integrated platform that can connect license plate readers, cameras, 911 systems, sensors, and aerial observation.

1087
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:03,720
Its drones can launch automatically stream live video and use thermal imaging, low light technology, and powerful zoom.

1088
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:06,500
To be clear, I'm not cleaning the frontland as purchasing zones.

1089
01:28:06,980 --> 01:28:10,700
I'm pointing out where this company and its technology can go.

1090
01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:21,240
Flock is not simply selling stationary license plate cameras, it's building a connected system capable of identifying a vehicle and then providing mobile real-time aerial observation.

1091
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:30,180
Flock says it's drones are intended for emergency response and not general patrol or surveillance, that may be the policy today, but it is not a technical limitation.

1092
01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:35,640
The cameras, databases, and connections accepted today could become the foundation for capabilities

1093
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,700
we are sure we are assured we will never be used tomorrow.

1094
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:43,100
Everything will be in place though only the rules will have to change.

1095
01:28:43,540 --> 01:28:48,360
If the council continues or expands flock, it will probably be because the immediate public

1096
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,700
safety benefits appear to outweigh the possibility of future surveillance.

1097
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:53,480
But that's a false choice.

1098
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:59,100
We can definitely support law enforcement while insisting that public safety technology include

1099
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:05,020
meaningful limits that cannot be quietly changed by a software setting, corporate policy, or administrative

1100
01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:05,800
decision.

1101
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,180
So, Council, as you listen tonight, do not ask whether Flop can help self-cimes,

1102
01:29:12,340 --> 01:29:16,200
of course it can, and it will ask what power we are creating, who's going to control it, what

1103
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:21,180
prevents its expansion, and whether we are comfortable doing that power to people who have not yet

1104
01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:23,920
been elected under laws that have not yet been written.

1105
01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:33,590
We'll have then 319 Shilling Draw,

1106
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:34,650
of Somerset,

1107
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:38,950
Floc sucks, everybody's talking about it,

1108
01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:44,710
I don't have questions for Floc, who made the decision, next year is a voting year for

1109
01:29:44,710 --> 01:29:50,610
three of you, plus both state assembly people, the state senators up at a couple months

1110
01:29:50,610 --> 01:29:58,950
for real action, all Democrats, all of you, most of the people up here site in ACLU, not from

1111
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:59,710
my side of the aisle.

1112
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:12,940
It's your people. I warn you guys a couple years ago, you're overstepped, you're overreaching, you're acting secretive, some of you have forgotten, we put you all there.

1113
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:25,700
You weren't hired by anyone. Other than us, you answer to us. I agree with the lady a couple minutes ago, your reactions while sitting up there while people are talking, tower.

1114
01:30:27,460 --> 01:30:32,600
looking like that when I talk I get it, I pissed a lot of you off, but some of these people

1115
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,860
I mean goodness, they bring up good points, so even how to IT expert up here.

1116
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:43,770
If I'm standing on JFK, which connects the clock, and I'm looking at Eastern Avenue, are there

1117
01:30:43,770 --> 01:30:50,190
more of lock cameras to the right or the left? Judging by some of those sounds, they know

1118
01:30:50,190 --> 01:30:54,530
what I'm getting at, because I've heard people mention Hamilton Street, predominantly Black

1119
01:30:54,530 --> 01:30:58,530
Franklin Boulevard, predominantly black and brown, you quoted some accidents that have an

1120
01:30:58,530 --> 01:31:04,090
on summer set street, predominantly black and brown. I'd be willing to bet a year's salary,

1121
01:31:04,290 --> 01:31:08,690
there are more-flot cameras, and the predominantly black and brown neighborhoods in this

1122
01:31:08,690 --> 01:31:17,770
town. Then if you go towards Franklin Park, towards Griggs Town, towards Princeton. So again,

1123
01:31:18,090 --> 01:31:22,530
whose decision was it? Someone has to own this. It's ten of you sitting up there, Councilman

1124
01:31:22,530 --> 01:31:27,150
And I also know the smart enough for whatever reason to not be here for this.

1125
01:31:27,390 --> 01:31:28,890
That man is a genius.

1126
01:31:32,450 --> 01:31:33,990
Daniel sends all of his down streets.

1127
01:31:34,110 --> 01:31:35,590
Smart enough to not be here for this.

1128
01:31:35,730 --> 01:31:37,310
He knew what was coming.

1129
01:31:37,810 --> 01:31:40,090
My guess of what's going to happen is,

1130
01:31:40,810 --> 01:31:42,270
based on you giving us three minutes,

1131
01:31:42,410 --> 01:31:43,790
jumble and hit into the public's action,

1132
01:31:43,970 --> 01:31:46,090
instead of meeting and having an entire,

1133
01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:48,130
entire meeting about this,

1134
01:31:48,150 --> 01:31:49,250
like you guys did for the warehouse,

1135
01:31:49,490 --> 01:31:50,730
because those were your voting constituents,

1136
01:31:50,730 --> 01:31:51,590
and some Mayor Cramer.

1137
01:31:52,190 --> 01:31:53,350
These people aren't.

1138
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:58,250
Some of you might be if you go to the senior meetings, but that's what you guys care about

1139
01:31:58,250 --> 01:32:04,130
I'm telling you the seniors hate this too as much as people my age people double my age think this is ridiculous

1140
01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:06,290
But again

1141
01:32:07,070 --> 01:32:09,110
How many cameras are they're total in town?

1142
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:17,240
Where do they sit in town and I'll say one thing about flock first of all just tells you who owns the car doesn't tell you who's actually driving the vehicle

1143
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:24,640
So the issues that you have seen with flock are them giving in if I let's say for instance a car that I own is

1144
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:29,420
suspected of being attached to a murder, but my girlfriend is driving it with my baby in the

1145
01:32:29,420 --> 01:32:34,260
back seat, is the police response going to be any different depending on who's driving

1146
01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:34,720
the vehicle.

1147
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:36,120
It's not.

1148
01:32:36,340 --> 01:32:38,220
It was lives in jeopardy by this.

1149
01:32:38,460 --> 01:32:39,900
It'd be better if you had facial recognition.

1150
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:40,500
It's all good.

1151
01:32:40,700 --> 01:32:42,420
Honestly, at least you know what you're going to

1152
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:48,470
do.

1153
01:32:48,710 --> 01:32:49,270
Good evening.

1154
01:32:49,470 --> 01:32:51,110
My name is Gerald Williams.

1155
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:58,850
I'm at 185 Burn Street in Somerset, and I've been our Franklin resident all of my life.

1156
01:32:58,850 --> 01:33:08,850
And I have a decade of experience and strategic partnerships of a organizational leadership across non-profit, philanthropic and civic institutions.

1157
01:33:09,250 --> 01:33:13,590
Work focused on building trust between institutions and the communities they serve.

1158
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:16,910
And as I know programs that keep community voice central to decision-making,

1159
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:25,990
I'm here because how we deploy technology like this should be shaped by the same transparent community-centered process.

1160
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:41,470
You know, I have no ties to flock or law enforcement, but what I pull out is coming from this actual document, as well as other policy and independent sources.

1161
01:33:41,470 --> 01:33:49,150
So, my two questions come from the policy that we just saw tonight.

1162
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:55,790
So, it lists two retention periods, 30 days rolling in three years under the C directive,

1163
01:33:56,350 --> 01:33:58,150
which one of those governs us.

1164
01:33:59,430 --> 01:34:02,970
And here's why the reach of the system matters beyond that question.

1165
01:34:03,530 --> 01:34:07,550
You know, we're talking about all these different incidents across the country.

1166
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:14,490
We talked about May of last year, four or four media reported it, about the Texas deputy

1167
01:34:14,490 --> 01:34:23,690
searching for the female citizen who had an abortion, and then it wasn't even just

1168
01:34:23,690 --> 01:34:24,430
Texas.

1169
01:34:25,010 --> 01:34:32,550
It was reaching into Illinois and Washington states where it is legal for her to receive

1170
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:33,390
that hair.

1171
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:41,310
and there was no warrant required portbackers that the electronic frontier foundation later

1172
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:45,670
obtained showed deputies discussing criminal charges with prosecutors despite officials

1173
01:34:45,670 --> 01:34:51,210
publicly calling it a welfare check. Then we also have information coming from a Christopher

1174
01:34:51,210 --> 01:34:57,050
Newport University study. Using court-unsealed camera locations, they found that license plates

1175
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:59,970
cameras, concentrate in black, neighborhoods, and nearly four-

1176
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,300
Times the rate of white ones in the region said. And so this system doesn't fail everybody equally, and it's not always by accident.

1177
01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:21,440
I think oversight is truly what matters more than good intentions. The policy for here in Franklin has its own coordinator, sortifying to itself that a spot check found no misuse.

1178
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,400
That same model was used in Daniel Hio,

1179
01:35:23,940 --> 01:35:27,040
and that had its own pretty chic firm confirmed

1180
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,260
and the day in Daily News Independent reported

1181
01:35:29,260 --> 01:35:31,480
that this spring that its network

1182
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:34,440
had been searched 7,000 times for immigrant enforcement

1183
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:36,240
against city policy.

1184
01:35:36,980 --> 01:35:38,760
So a public pressure found that,

1185
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,520
and that is not a routine sign-up.

1186
01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:45,400
And so when we're thinking about whatever kind of auditing system

1187
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,940
we're putting in place if we continue to use this,

1188
01:35:49,940 --> 01:35:54,900
It's that it needs to be outside of the department, and I think a full cover report at the township level

1189
01:35:56,100 --> 01:36:01,080
Even for it. Stay by checkbox. Big State to bring this back before it's permanent

1190
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:05,800
In the center, I'd hold any institution to before asking a community trust it. Thank you

1191
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:14,860
Good evening, Marcel Castanza 98 Bayberry Drive. I

1192
01:36:14,860 --> 01:36:21,840
Also learned about flock from John Oliver show and I have to tell you that what I saw was incredibly

1193
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:27,900
disturbing. That being said, four days later, I got the email from tap about this meeting,

1194
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:35,340
I looked at the map, saw where the flock cameras were in our area. Decided to come to the meeting,

1195
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:44,480
20 minutes before I left my house this evening. This tracker sent me an article about another

1196
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:56,680
technology called signal trace that works in conjunction with the ALPRs and detect signals

1197
01:36:57,030 --> 01:37:08,040
from this and from this. I can only ask and pray that this township is not planning on implementing

1198
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:14,400
that technology as well. Because if it does, I'll be moving out. Thank you.

1199
01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:23,180
Dr. Van Walker, 15-Cune Street. In summary, it makes all for the

1200
01:37:23,180 --> 01:37:29,700
flag discussion. I just want to ask everyone if it's worth it. And when I say

1201
01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:35,880
that, I have to think about all the entities from what was discussed earlier on.

1202
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:40,800
The first one is to the council. If this is brought up to a vote and you decide to vote

1203
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,440
whether you're going to have to live your vote, whether you're re-elected or not, like

1204
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,760
next year's re-election, you're whether y'all get in or not.

1205
01:37:45,980 --> 01:37:47,840
This is something that's highly contentious in the community.

1206
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,080
You see how many people are standing up and speaking at comparison to prior meetings.

1207
01:37:51,620 --> 01:37:55,560
So whether you choose to go forward with this or not, sub to y'all, but you've got to live

1208
01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:00,060
with the vote and you've got to live with your next election cycle.

1209
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:05,100
Second thing is for the police department, they do a lot of great in the community.

1210
01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:10,240
I don't know who came up with the idea, but some of my roots aren't Georgia, I used to live

1211
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,760
Georgia, and I can tell you there's a lot of red necks that go around and knock the hell out

1212
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:14,460
of these block cameras.

1213
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:15,560
They don't want them around.

1214
01:38:16,540 --> 01:38:20,300
They, some of the people come up and speak about them, but a lot of people are, they, they

1215
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:21,020
be about it.

1216
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:24,360
If they don't want the block cameras in their neighborhood, they simply knock them down.

1217
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:24,960
They damage them.

1218
01:38:25,020 --> 01:38:25,460
They destroy them.

1219
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:25,980
They do whatever.

1220
01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:29,280
And it's added, taxpayer funds to replace those.

1221
01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:31,380
So that's why I'm saying, is it worth it?

1222
01:38:31,620 --> 01:38:33,160
There's a political liability.

1223
01:38:33,420 --> 01:38:37,160
There's a financial liability to Franklin Township for having to replace those.

1224
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:43,440
And I think if you really want voter representation, I say, if anything, you leave it to a referendum.

1225
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,320
If you don't want to vote for it, let the people decide how they want it.

1226
01:38:46,740 --> 01:38:50,100
The next thing is piggybacking off of the prior meeting.

1227
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:55,020
At the last council meeting in July, I had asked questions concerning Councilman Carl Wright's

1228
01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:57,420
residency before I addressed his response.

1229
01:38:57,580 --> 01:38:59,380
I want to address one point that he made about me first.

1230
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,240
He pointed out that I previously ran against him and suggested that I should have disclosed

1231
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:03,960
that one I spoke.

1232
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:11,920
While it's true that Iran against Councilman right in the past, the questions acts were as a resident of Franklin Township and they were acts of elected officials currently living.

1233
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:16,740
Our participation in our elections has absolutely nothing to do with his own disclosure of his residency.

1234
01:39:17,480 --> 01:39:19,540
My concern is the people's concern.

1235
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:31,360
Councilman right is an elected official representing the Fourth Ward in M.I.I. as residents of the Fourth Ward are entitled to ask legitimate questions about whether they're elected leaders or satisfying their own residency requires requirements of that office.

1236
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:35,280
I listen carefully to Councilman Wright's response at the last meeting, and through his

1237
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,240
colorful response, his explanation created more questions than an answer.

1238
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,680
So rather than to be anyone's motives, I respectfully ask Councilman Wright to answer

1239
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:43,760
a few straight forward questions.

1240
01:39:44,500 --> 01:39:48,560
Is 139th Fuller the place where you currently in order to narrowly live and sleep, a simple

1241
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:49,420
yes or no will do?

1242
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,160
At the last meeting you said, quote unquote, I was going to tell you where I live, but let's

1243
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:57,700
just say I can walk there in five minutes and quote, was it referencing the state of Fuller

1244
01:39:57,700 --> 01:39:59,480
we're alluding to another address.

1245
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,500
Number 3 is how frequently do you stay overnight at set address. The last part is you told the public, quote-unquote,

1246
01:40:06,980 --> 01:40:11,580
water pipes broken my house and destroyed everything in my house and I lost the electricity in my house

1247
01:40:11,580 --> 01:40:18,040
because the water rose so it covered the outlets. During that period was 130 not fully legally approved and safer residential occupancy

1248
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:22,060
and if so, when were the necessary township inspections and approvals completed.

1249
01:40:23,420 --> 01:40:26,200
That concludes my questions and that concludes my time at this podium.

1250
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:48,000
Linda Powell, 22-Buffer Drive, I didn't come here intending to speak but a friend's been texting me, and wants to know how many cameras there are and how much they cost and if I asked the rest of the text question to take me more than three minutes.

1251
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:57,740
I did come here to learn a little bit more about flock and the cameras, I know there's all types of surveillance going on in this country.

1252
01:40:57,740 --> 01:41:04,260
Some of it legal, some of it not legal, and in terms of it being a private company,

1253
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:09,540
we know the main motivating factor of private companies is profit, and if most comes in

1254
01:41:09,540 --> 01:41:12,240
and wants to buy a flock, he'll do it.

1255
01:41:12,740 --> 01:41:16,480
And we've seen what he's done to other companies, including Tesla.

1256
01:41:18,220 --> 01:41:21,200
It's not the intended use that I had concerned about.

1257
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:32,420
It's the massive potential for abuse in terms of what the woman who spoke before said, you know,

1258
01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:33,800
following people to protest.

1259
01:41:34,420 --> 01:41:39,240
Has to realize that it's not only people who go to the protests that are tracked, it's

1260
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:43,780
the counter protestors as well, and if they come in and want to call us all terrorists or

1261
01:41:43,780 --> 01:41:48,300
communists, those magas are going to be picked up as terrorists and communists unless they

1262
01:41:48,300 --> 01:41:49,180
can prove otherwise.

1263
01:41:49,180 --> 01:41:53,440
Because anyone who's not a magnet in this day is either a terrorist or a communist.

1264
01:41:55,060 --> 01:42:01,160
I do think that we have to think about how we're putting this technology to use and

1265
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:02,980
not necessarily trust what's said.

1266
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:08,540
It looks like the contracts were already changed and our police department in township didn't

1267
01:42:08,540 --> 01:42:11,760
even know about that change in contract, which I didn't know about.

1268
01:42:12,140 --> 01:42:18,160
And if anyone does have an opportunity to look at, he talks really fast, I've trouble understanding

1269
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:22,520
sometimes fast-speaking people because I have an old brain in this head,

1270
01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:25,820
but look at the HBO

1271
01:42:25,820 --> 01:42:27,640
of John Oliver show.

1272
01:42:28,060 --> 01:42:33,520
There was one thing in particular, there was a family in Texas, a car was stopped.

1273
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:40,980
The license plate was the right number that Flock had detected, however, and they pulled

1274
01:42:40,980 --> 01:42:41,240
it out.

1275
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:46,560
There was women and children, there were all dark skinned face down on the black top hand side

1276
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:50,960
behind their back, but I don't know how long in the hot, hot weather.

1277
01:42:51,700 --> 01:42:57,100
And it ended up that this license plate number will actually belong to a stolen motorcycle

1278
01:42:57,100 --> 01:42:58,940
thousands of miles away.

1279
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:04,720
So there is, you know, and the other thing is maybe I watched too much TV, the potential

1280
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,740
for hacking into systems for other reasons.

1281
01:43:08,860 --> 01:43:09,200
It's scary.

1282
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:10,300
Thank you.

1283
01:43:10,300 --> 01:43:10,760
Oh,

1284
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:19,660
my name is Aaron Conner,

1285
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:20,920
apologize and very anxious.

1286
01:43:21,740 --> 01:43:24,520
You started off this meeting, asking us to all be open-minded.

1287
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:25,920
I ask you the same.

1288
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:27,460
I see a lot of board bases,

1289
01:43:27,460 --> 01:43:28,960
and I find that very disappointing.

1290
01:43:29,740 --> 01:43:31,140
Please respond to your citizens.

1291
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,920
The same as you expect us to listen to you.

1292
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:36,720
So I'm going to ramble a lot of questions.

1293
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,220
Your address, please.

1294
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:40,620
Two-one-five north-aith.

1295
01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:45,580
So first, why are flock representatives notified more than residents?

1296
01:43:45,580 --> 01:43:54,900
When this is going to be addressed, do you audit different agencies or only internally do you audit for example other state agencies or federal agencies?

1297
01:43:55,580 --> 01:43:57,340
What percentage of usage is audit?

1298
01:43:58,900 --> 01:44:06,800
If data must be fed to state databases, how can you ensure that no one from a different agency or other part of the state will miss use it?

1299
01:44:07,060 --> 01:44:14,600
Related to that, there is an NJ.com article that showed multiple searches, where the cause for the search was ALPR.

1300
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,500
only ALPR, no other reason.

1301
01:44:18,140 --> 01:44:20,680
So again, how are you ensuring that full sentences are used?

1302
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:25,000
Is that only internally for Franklin Park or is that overall?

1303
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,880
Because if that is the case, clearly this thought is not sufficient.

1304
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:35,480
Is the random monthly audit a random month or random days each month?

1305
01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:38,280
That was not very clear. It was just stated randomly.

1306
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:46,340
can external agencies use this to search for an immigrant on the basis of, for example,

1307
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:53,520
a minor traffic infraction or other minor criminal offense, thereby bypassing the prohibition

1308
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:59,220
on civil immigration enforcement being used for being a cause for using ALPRs.

1309
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:13,180
If it only records the back of vehicles, how does it help find lost pets or people? Is this only going to help in the instance that you know a plate number associated with that pet or person being lost?

1310
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:28,080
How have you addressed various technological vulnerabilities of ALPRs in particular being flock? There's a Ben Jordan YouTube video as well as I've read multiple articles demonstrating that hackers can easily access this.

1311
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:42,340
I find it incredibly offensive how it has been dismissed that various departments across this country have abused this, considering that I have friends who have been stalked and are survivors of domestic violence.

1312
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:47,160
I think that any misuse with this is disgusting and unacceptable.

1313
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:48,100
And

1314
01:45:52,360 --> 01:46:14,180
I hope that instead you guys can consider the cost to a person's life if they are either the victim of misuse, or if they are wrongfully held at gunpoint or God forbid someone were to be killed by an officer who thought they were part of a violent crime when they were completely innocent.

1315
01:46:14,540 --> 01:46:18,300
So please reconsider working with flock or any ALPR technology.

1316
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:19,260
Thank you.

1317
01:46:19,260 --> 01:46:21,440
What was your first question?

1318
01:46:22,540 --> 01:46:23,640
The first question?

1319
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,720
Why are flock representatives notified of these meetings more than residents?

1320
01:46:38,180 --> 01:46:38,520
Good evening.

1321
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:40,560
Can I just ask that before we start the clock

1322
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,320
that I introduce myself as the petition starter.

1323
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:45,540
Who this council?

1324
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:47,820
It's who has start the clock.

1325
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:48,920
I'm sorry.

1326
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:49,740
I'm sorry.

1327
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,340
We have to start the clock.

1328
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:52,440
Of course.

1329
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,340
Since flock sent their damage control

1330
01:46:56,340 --> 01:47:03,100
rep to defend their egregiously dishonest company, I will bring attention to the detailed report

1331
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:03,760
on flock.

1332
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:04,540
Name and address?

1333
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:09,860
I sent to each council member today, Frank Ciara, war two.

1334
01:47:13,340 --> 01:47:19,620
The report that I sent, Mayor, came with verified sources at your request.

1335
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:26,980
There is a high likelihood the Franklin Police Department was manipulated or at least misled

1336
01:47:26,980 --> 01:47:38,920
by flock employees with marketing material containing dishonest statistics, false security promises, and deceitful language concerning system control.

1337
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:55,720
It's in the report hardware flaws that could give criminals access to Falcon Model OS or physical USB ports that allow hackers to execute malware payload scripts from a USB drive from outside the operating system.

1338
01:47:56,700 --> 01:48:04,140
LAPD found a 33% false positive rate for hot list hits as did other city audits showing

1339
01:48:04,140 --> 01:48:14,640
the report. 161 false hits in two months. Why was there so much, Mr. Flagret? The LAPD

1340
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:21,220
said they are better off without flock, so are we. What is the false hit rate in Franklin

1341
01:48:21,220 --> 01:48:29,300
township is it also 33% Lloyd? In the report, you will find every documented case of

1342
01:48:29,300 --> 01:48:35,420
flopping a gregously dishonest as a company, and misleading council governments and citizens

1343
01:48:35,420 --> 01:48:41,320
like falsely representing the heat-math feature at a city council meeting or lying about

1344
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:47,780
a secret pilot program that gives federal agencies access to customer systems. And falsely

1345
01:48:47,780 --> 01:48:53,820
claiming end-to-end encryption when, by definition, the system is not end-to-end encrypted

1346
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:57,680
if the provider holds the keys to every transaction.

1347
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,020
I have included a flock marketing material in the report.

1348
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:08,680
To highlight the false advertisements and false promises made to most city councils,

1349
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:17,760
it's the same report, it's the same slides shown here tonight, just some fixing of the

1350
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:23,440
which brings me to February 16th. After Flock Secures over 5,000 contracts,

1351
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:28,560
they decide to change their terms and conditions. A tell-tale behavior of a company that uses

1352
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:34,300
deceptive, unethical business practices. Removing no sale language from the contract, new

1353
01:49:34,300 --> 01:49:39,060
license language that gives them more control over customer-facing data.

1354
01:49:41,260 --> 01:49:42,400
Added perpetual license

1355
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:47,760
that gives them the right to use our data even after the contract termination in Franklin Township.

1356
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:53,460
to feed their AI model. Speaking of their AI model, no language in the contract prohibits

1357
01:49:53,460 --> 01:49:59,740
flock from leveraging their AI model to train other third-party company AI models using knowledge

1358
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,320
5 from our data. My report highlights how flood users manipulate the traffic and training, please inform

1359
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:14,880
it, how to mark their product to counsel. The full-time has this cycle, concern, residents.

1360
01:50:15,420 --> 01:50:21,560
Your time has expired. See the overwhelming evidence I gave you, and then, rough lock from Franklin.

1361
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,780
You know what I want to sacrifice privacy for a full-centice security.

1362
01:50:25,780 --> 01:50:30,940
serve from a shady private company your time is expired. Thank you.

1363
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:35,600
Sir, you already spoke.

1364
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:41,300
May I not about something unrelated to fly? No. No. No. Okay. I just wanted to complain about

1365
01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:43,160
Ken Jacobs. He seems to know.

1366
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:54,210
No. I like Alex Rouse 25 has left way. I have no doubt about this

1367
01:50:54,210 --> 01:51:00,510
sincerity. Public safety director Fredericks. He wants to fight crime. But let's keep in mind

1368
01:51:00,510 --> 01:51:07,230
why he's in his particular position that his public safety director, because there was allegations

1369
01:51:07,230 --> 01:51:13,790
certainly a police misconduct, which then spurred Franklin to get rid of the police chief

1370
01:51:14,350 --> 01:51:22,230
post and get a public safety director instead. So that does happen and it did happen here in Franklin.

1371
01:51:23,410 --> 01:51:30,110
In addition, Mr. Fred Brooks is saying there is no right to privacy in public.

1372
01:51:30,670 --> 01:51:37,970
However, if you look up 2018, US Supreme Court, Carpenter V United States, says otherwise,

1373
01:51:38,370 --> 01:51:43,710
that's certainly at the very least there is a gray area and that you have a reasonable expectation.

1374
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:48,570
Privacy in the whole of your physical movements, including your movements in public.

1375
01:51:49,130 --> 01:51:49,870
That's what that says.

1376
01:51:49,870 --> 01:51:56,410
In addition, Mr. Frederick's had commented about his confidence in the state of New Jersey,

1377
01:51:56,950 --> 01:52:01,430
how they are really on it, protecting us.

1378
01:52:01,470 --> 01:52:06,850
Well, if you look up the license plate reader policy score card, New Jersey gets a

1379
01:52:06,850 --> 01:52:12,010
two out of seven in various measures.

1380
01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:17,810
The best was Connecticut, Oregon, Virginia, and the state of Washington.

1381
01:52:17,810 --> 01:52:25,270
So New Jersey did not score well in that category, so we're waiting for our public officials,

1382
01:52:25,870 --> 01:52:31,070
Senator Michael Testa, down in South Jersey, Republican is planning to introduce something

1383
01:52:31,070 --> 01:52:31,790
for September.

1384
01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:38,870
We're waiting for our Democratic legislature, and of course our governor to act, I guess

1385
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:42,070
they're not here right now, but we'll be waiting.

1386
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:50,410
I mean, again, I don't doubt Mr. Frederick's sincerity, but it sounded almost like something

1387
01:52:50,410 --> 01:52:53,410
that Mark Zuckerberg would say about the right to five.

1388
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:55,630
So you're one of the Silicon Valley billionaires.

1389
01:52:55,850 --> 01:53:01,230
Ultimately, obviously, the police department works for us, okay, not flock, okay.

1390
01:53:02,290 --> 01:53:05,310
And so I trust that you will make the right decision.

1391
01:53:06,170 --> 01:53:06,770
Thank you.

1392
01:53:12,530 --> 01:53:13,690
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1393
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:14,430
May I approach?

1394
01:53:14,630 --> 01:53:15,550
I have something for you.

1395
01:53:15,550 --> 01:53:20,690
name in interest. My name is Charlie Cradivill. I live at 143 Cidam Street in New

1396
01:53:20,690 --> 01:53:22,090
Brunswick, May I approach?

1397
01:53:22,270 --> 01:53:24,470
I came here to the clerk, to the clerk, to the clerk, to the clerk.

1398
01:53:24,490 --> 01:53:24,490
Sure.

1399
01:53:38,530 --> 01:53:41,530
And Charlie Cradivill from New Brunswick. I just want to start by saying thank

1400
01:53:41,530 --> 01:53:45,250
you to everybody who came out and spoke tonight. I'm really proud of you all and I think that

1401
01:53:46,370 --> 01:53:51,930
you know, our democracy works because of people like this. So you should listen to them.

1402
01:53:52,890 --> 01:53:58,450
I am here today because of something I saw at your last meeting. I was appalled not only

1403
01:53:58,450 --> 01:54:02,350
to see Councilman call right, call out Jibon Walker

1404
01:54:02,350 --> 01:54:05,410
for bringing up the issues with his residency

1405
01:54:06,230 --> 01:54:09,670
and accuse him of being not transparent,

1406
01:54:10,770 --> 01:54:13,990
but I was also upset to hear some dialogue

1407
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:18,270
with the Township Manager and the Township Attorney.

1408
01:54:19,670 --> 01:54:22,390
So, first of all, to Councilman right,

1409
01:54:22,590 --> 01:54:25,950
you need to be transparent, you need to be transparent

1410
01:54:25,950 --> 01:54:36,670
about your residency and you need to not treat it as a joke, right? You know, to say things

1411
01:54:36,670 --> 01:54:40,890
like I was going to tell you where I live but let's just say I could walk there in five

1412
01:54:40,890 --> 01:54:45,290
minutes. That's unacceptable especially when you demand every resident to come to this microphone

1413
01:54:45,290 --> 01:54:47,510
give you their address. I want your address.

1414
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:54,400
What we heard from Mr. Vornlacher before Mr.

1415
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:58,380
rights outbursts was, quote, based on Daniel's law,

1416
01:54:58,460 --> 01:54:59,960
the disclosure of home addresses of a letter.

1417
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,940
Acted officials is no longer required, and in fact, their home addresses are protected under Daniel's

1418
01:55:04,940 --> 01:55:05,040
law.

1419
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:09,840
So it would be inappropriate to disclose the councilman's address of it and to say that if he's registered

1420
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,700
to vote in the fourth ward, then he would be arrested in the fourth ward.

1421
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,520
The township attorney agreed with that assessment, but that's not what Daniel's law says.

1422
01:55:16,700 --> 01:55:21,160
Is it? May I raise this as a point of order? Can we confirm whether this is an appropriate

1423
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,000
or inappropriate item to discuss here?

1424
01:55:26,250 --> 01:55:29,130
Point of order? The definition of covered person in

1425
01:55:29,130 --> 01:55:31,430
the Daniels law statutes. Does that include elected officials?

1426
01:55:33,970 --> 01:55:34,970
No, I'm with your questions.

1427
01:55:36,030 --> 01:55:37,310
I raised a point of order.

1428
01:55:37,590 --> 01:55:39,890
You don't have standing to the point of order.

1429
01:55:40,230 --> 01:55:41,990
Okay. Well, I hope you'll hope you'll reach the statute.

1430
01:55:42,190 --> 01:55:44,050
I did give you copies of the relevant portion here.

1431
01:55:44,690 --> 01:55:45,410
I'll read it to you.

1432
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:47,370
A covered person means active, formally active,

1433
01:55:47,430 --> 01:55:49,850
or retired judicial officer, law enforcement officer,

1434
01:55:49,950 --> 01:55:53,410
or a child protective investigator in the DCPMP

1435
01:55:53,410 --> 01:55:56,430
as those terms are defined by citation.

1436
01:55:57,670 --> 01:56:00,830
So Mr. Wright, not a prosecutor, not a judge.

1437
01:56:00,830 --> 01:56:07,510
not a law enforcement officer, so why can't we talk about his address?

1438
01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:09,730
Were you mistaken about the law?

1439
01:56:10,110 --> 01:56:15,790
If so, that happens, we all make mistakes, but I want to know why everyone who watched the

1440
01:56:15,790 --> 01:56:18,410
last meeting was misled about what the law said.

1441
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:25,290
And misled in a way to suppress discussion about this matter, where we have a councilman

1442
01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:27,890
who's been accused of violating township ordinances,

1443
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:33,070
being behind in debt to pay his bills to the township,

1444
01:56:33,370 --> 01:56:36,130
who's been accused of being missing an action,

1445
01:56:36,190 --> 01:56:38,850
limited to brief periods when there's elections.

1446
01:56:40,530 --> 01:56:43,010
And, you know, frankly, his conduct at the last meeting

1447
01:56:43,010 --> 01:56:44,630
was also caused for concern.

1448
01:56:44,910 --> 01:56:46,530
So let's hear it, where does he live?

1449
01:56:46,650 --> 01:56:47,730
Is he eligible or not?

1450
01:56:47,890 --> 01:56:48,730
Let's stop playing games.

1451
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,040
Anyone else wishing to speak?

1452
01:56:57,300 --> 01:57:00,040
Does not have to be about flock, about anything else?

1453
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:05,500
Yeah, I'll tell you why we were misled by the law firm because this is the worst law firm in New Jersey

1454
01:57:05,500 --> 01:57:07,900
So name and the re-known been cello

1455
01:57:07,900 --> 01:57:13,780
name and then law firm. This is the name and address. Please don't have the I release is the

1456
01:57:13,780 --> 01:57:14,840
name and address

1457
01:57:15,540 --> 01:57:23,320
Unredacted I will be redacting my address and my name and it's the first government and I will not you will not invade my privacy

1458
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:24,880
I can't believe you

1459
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:28,520
for her actual address, where she lived, her house number.

1460
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:31,560
Don't you dare be intimidated by doing that.

1461
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,320
People do not have to share their private sensitive information

1462
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:35,120
about where they live.

1463
01:57:35,500 --> 01:57:37,840
Although he should, he should all the way on the right.

1464
01:57:38,460 --> 01:57:39,860
He should, I don't trust government.

1465
01:57:40,140 --> 01:57:40,720
I don't trust you, sir.

1466
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:41,360
You are a director.

1467
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:41,880
He's a comedian.

1468
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:43,100
He's a joke to me.

1469
01:57:43,220 --> 01:57:43,920
First off, sir.

1470
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:44,360
I'm a critic.

1471
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:44,780
I'm a critic.

1472
01:57:44,780 --> 01:57:45,040
I'm a critic.

1473
01:57:45,900 --> 01:57:46,300
I'm a critic.

1474
01:57:49,300 --> 01:57:50,460
You are being disrespectful.

1475
01:57:50,780 --> 01:57:51,500
Do not cut me off.

1476
01:57:51,500 --> 01:57:52,540
This is my time.

1477
01:57:52,540 --> 01:57:53,760
And what are the legal interests?

1478
01:57:54,180 --> 01:57:54,960
The Cowboys' meetings.

1479
01:57:55,260 --> 01:57:56,200
Didn't we have five minutes?

1480
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:57,540
Why did it come here in a meal?

1481
01:57:57,580 --> 01:57:59,580
You get two minutes stolen from me.

1482
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:01,800
Why did you steal from all of us?

1483
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:05,440
Every person who spoke, you got two minutes stolen from you.

1484
01:58:05,660 --> 01:58:09,820
Why couldn't we have a discussion with the public safety director in the beginning of the meeting?

1485
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:13,040
Why couldn't we have a conversation up back and forth?

1486
01:58:13,340 --> 01:58:14,420
Also known as a conversation?

1487
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:15,200
Why?

1488
01:58:15,460 --> 01:58:17,480
This is a, this is a shit show presentation.

1489
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,240
This is why, this is why government looks like it's a clown show.

1490
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:23,320
This is the worst law from the New Jersey.

1491
01:58:23,620 --> 01:58:26,360
All they do is misrepresent facts to people.

1492
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:28,460
They are liars, they are all crooks.

1493
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:29,980
I don't trust any of you people.

1494
01:58:30,340 --> 01:58:30,540
I don't.

1495
01:58:30,740 --> 01:58:32,700
And none of you give your address to these people.

1496
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:33,740
None of you.

1497
01:58:33,860 --> 01:58:36,500
Nobody should ever give their address to government.

1498
01:58:36,980 --> 01:58:40,120
We cannot be willingly handing over our sensitive information.

1499
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:41,880
So you're not going to get my name.

1500
01:58:42,020 --> 01:58:43,200
You're not going to get my address.

1501
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,000
And you don't have to like it.

1502
01:58:46,740 --> 01:58:48,140
Look at Ben Franklin on the wall.

1503
01:58:48,140 --> 01:58:51,000
Do you guys remember that quote was that Ben Franklin said?

1504
01:58:51,500 --> 01:58:55,360
I don't know exactly off the top of my head, but if you, what is the quote?

1505
01:58:58,140 --> 01:58:58,820
And I have it.

1506
01:58:58,860 --> 01:58:59,700
It is.

1507
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:01,780
Uh, ma'am, you may not speak.

1508
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:02,800
How is she speaking for me?

1509
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:04,760
No, she may not speak for me.

1510
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,420
Okay, so they don't want you to hear Benjamin Franklin's quote.

1511
01:59:07,900 --> 01:59:10,560
They don't want you to hear his quote.

1512
01:59:12,220 --> 01:59:13,720
They want a shutdown conversation.

1513
01:59:14,220 --> 01:59:16,000
They want a shutdown community involvement.

1514
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,380
They want a shutdown a person who I was willing to let speak

1515
01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:21,440
during a part of my public portion.

1516
01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:22,620
You don't dare you.

1517
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:23,740
Do not cut me off.

1518
01:59:23,740 --> 01:59:25,220
No, you don't cut me off.

1519
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:26,260
You are not a water.

1520
01:59:26,300 --> 01:59:28,140
You are out of order, okay?

1521
01:59:28,420 --> 01:59:29,920
I am not listening to you.

1522
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:31,140
You don't have to listen to me.

1523
01:59:31,700 --> 01:59:32,700
All you have to do is nothing.

1524
01:59:33,340 --> 01:59:34,760
I watch two people up here.

1525
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:36,060
You have been on the phone.

1526
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:37,980
The entire goddamn time.

1527
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,440
The entire time.

1528
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,440
Why don't you just at least pretend like you care?

1529
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:45,600
They stole two minutes from every one of you.

1530
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,380
They stole two minutes from every single person

1531
01:59:48,380 --> 01:59:51,740
because they don't get a shit. What's a quote?

1532
01:59:52,700 --> 01:59:52,920
Sir?

1533
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,960
Those who would give up a central liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve...

1534
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,640
Either Liberty, North Safety, Benjamin Franklin. That's the Franklin I trust. I don't trust this Franklin. I don't trust the public safety director.

1535
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:16,240
Rumors, rumors, we heard on the Internet. All the things that we heard on the Internet are just rumors.

1536
02:00:17,020 --> 02:00:20,500
Right? You've already gave up all your freedom. Right? You've got to go through easy pass every day.

1537
02:00:20,500 --> 02:00:22,400
We have a lot of very nice advice.

1538
02:00:22,900 --> 02:00:22,920
Right?

1539
02:00:23,380 --> 02:00:25,060
Every time someone cuts you out of your mind.

1540
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:26,480
I celebrated.

1541
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:27,680
I celebrated.

1542
02:00:29,580 --> 02:00:30,760
And you guys should too.

1543
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:41,040
So moving on to the answers to public questions.

1544
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:43,140
Oh, thank you.

1545
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,400
So I asked you an unanimous consent to close up.

1546
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:48,580
Is anyone else wish to speak?

1547
02:00:52,140 --> 02:00:55,240
So I asked you an unanimous consent to close public session.

1548
02:00:57,120 --> 02:00:59,660
Without objection, public session is closed.

1549
02:00:59,660 --> 02:01:02,120
We are on to address public comments.

1550
02:01:02,780 --> 02:01:06,300
The only thing not related to Flock was about Mr.

1551
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,840
Right, Mr. Right, would you like to respond?

1552
02:01:09,860 --> 02:01:10,520
Excuse me.

1553
02:01:11,180 --> 02:01:12,380
Would you like to respond?

1554
02:01:14,470 --> 02:01:19,010
Mr. Mayor, are the public safety committee?

1555
02:01:19,630 --> 02:01:21,490
No, we met for an hour earlier.

1556
02:01:21,650 --> 02:01:23,170
So, we're not doing that.

1557
02:01:23,370 --> 02:01:23,870
To comments.

1558
02:01:24,590 --> 02:01:27,270
There was a question raised about you.

1559
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:34,070
Oh, for the last time, you, you, you promised to lock this, you back there, Mr. Peterson,

1560
02:01:34,590 --> 02:01:41,460
you all were there, Mr. Walker, you all were there, it's public knowledge, look at my

1561
02:01:41,460 --> 02:01:46,320
It actually turns when you my tax revenues look at him.

1562
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:51,480
Anything you want, one, three, nine, food.

1563
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:57,000
Some are saying you deserve zero, eight, eight, seven, three.

1564
02:01:57,580 --> 02:02:01,300
Miss Peterson, if you want to come by and not buy my door,

1565
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:03,060
if you want to take his information,

1566
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:05,900
if you want to take his information,

1567
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:08,720
because he's snuck around and took the picture

1568
02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:10,620
of the guy working on my car.

1569
02:02:10,620 --> 02:02:17,440
I left to go eat and get some lunch. I wish you would have stayed. But she didn't.

1570
02:02:17,660 --> 02:02:27,980
I thought you would have stayed but she didn't. But she didn't. So now anybody else wants to know about it.

1571
02:02:28,220 --> 02:02:30,600
Damn it. 1, 3, 9, 4, 3.

1572
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,840
Fantastic. And if you think you're going to shame me by saying something different.

1573
02:02:41,230 --> 02:02:48,890
They're not full of street. You got a tissue with that rub. Come on, five. If you have an issue, come on.

1574
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:53,510
It's not time for couples, I'll let me.

1575
02:02:53,770 --> 02:02:55,650
Come on. Five.

1576
02:02:56,390 --> 02:02:58,950
But you bring up something on the way you got home.

1577
02:02:59,230 --> 02:03:01,950
Some of just waiting for my hand to say, the last time.

1578
02:03:02,430 --> 02:03:04,790
I'm not going to answer that question any more.

1579
02:03:05,950 --> 02:03:09,470
One thirty nine full of street, David, that's where I live.

1580
02:03:09,930 --> 02:03:16,290
asked the police department, and if you got an issue with it, call the cops, tell them, I don't think this guy

1581
02:03:16,290 --> 02:03:26,150
told us something right, call the cops, they'll show up, they'll show, look at me, one, two, three, four, five, six, every body will show up

1582
02:03:26,710 --> 02:03:36,670
and you know something, and then I'm gonna be serious about this, my grandfather's from the other side kids, my wife, my wife, first generation in America

1583
02:03:36,670 --> 02:03:45,110
And my grandma watches this every other movie. She said the island. And she said to me,

1584
02:03:45,210 --> 02:03:48,170
I'm trying to be like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

1585
02:03:49,210 --> 02:03:55,710
You know, there's still something that they can't steal. Ain't no doubt it?

1586
02:03:56,430 --> 02:04:03,550
It's just all the way. And I said, they can't steal it. They can't let you to read it.

1587
02:04:03,550 --> 02:04:10,790
So unless you got something worthwhile, I miss walking,

1588
02:04:13,380 --> 02:04:18,800
you come after me every week, every other week, come on down here, every other week.

1589
02:04:19,180 --> 02:04:25,180
I welcome you just, I just want to answer you, but I welcome you.

1590
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:27,500
So come on down, bro.

1591
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:28,900
Go and buy a machine car.

1592
02:04:31,100 --> 02:04:33,720
So, are you finished, Mr. Wright?

1593
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:35,380
Was that, are you coming in?

1594
02:04:35,380 --> 02:04:37,280
Yeah, let's move on, please.

1595
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:38,600
Yes?

1596
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:40,220
Okay.

1597
02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:45,260
Mr. Borlaka reminded me there was another question about the Don't Tread on me flag.

1598
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:51,780
Those flags come from a kit of flags that are flown during the Revolutionary War.

1599
02:04:52,420 --> 02:04:59,960
They, I understand, as time goes on, different flags and symbols pick up other meetings.

1600
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:10,000
But this is we're trying to replicate what was going on in the revolutionary war, so that that's all that is.

1601
02:05:11,140 --> 02:05:18,200
Not no other meaning behind that. Okay, a lot of questions.

1602
02:05:20,700 --> 02:05:21,520
How do we?

1603
02:05:28,210 --> 02:05:35,050
I can address some of the technical questions and some themes I came up and then hands of the director, that's okay.

1604
02:05:36,770 --> 02:05:39,050
So thanks for the opportunity to clarify.

1605
02:05:40,810 --> 02:05:45,850
The retention period was brought up in a number of times 30 days as a default versus three years.

1606
02:05:45,850 --> 02:05:54,630
The, you know, flock safety's overall default is 30 days, unless state or local ordinance needs something different.

1607
02:05:55,270 --> 02:05:58,190
So Virginia is 21 days and New Jersey is 3 years.

1608
02:05:58,630 --> 02:06:05,750
So the data that's retained is the photo of the exterior of the vehicle, the time date location.

1609
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:09,950
That's the data, the single photo of that vehicle.

1610
02:06:09,950 --> 02:06:12,750
And according to the Attorney General of the Jersey,

1611
02:06:13,490 --> 02:06:16,670
the retention period for that would be three years.

1612
02:06:17,950 --> 02:06:21,210
Data ownership in the terms were specifically mentioned

1613
02:06:21,210 --> 02:06:21,930
in number of times.

1614
02:06:22,350 --> 02:06:25,790
And just to clarify, we recently amended the contract

1615
02:06:25,790 --> 02:06:29,870
with the township to clarify what's already existing in our terms and services

1616
02:06:29,870 --> 02:06:33,090
that the township owns 100% of the data

1617
02:06:33,090 --> 02:06:35,930
and the flock does not sell data.

1618
02:06:35,930 --> 02:06:39,090
That's also per code of New Jersey.

1619
02:06:39,210 --> 02:06:41,750
The Attorney General says that a vendor, like Flock,

1620
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:45,310
is not permitted to sell data, but we further clarified

1621
02:06:45,310 --> 02:06:47,870
that in the contract amendment with the township.

1622
02:06:48,710 --> 02:06:50,330
So, let's stop right there.

1623
02:06:50,610 --> 02:06:52,050
We're going to ask the Attorney a question.

1624
02:06:52,590 --> 02:06:54,870
If we have a written contract with the company,

1625
02:06:55,350 --> 02:07:01,070
and they on their website change what they write as the contract,

1626
02:07:01,870 --> 02:07:03,490
or what they write as their terms,

1627
02:07:03,490 --> 02:07:11,290
Which takes press it are our written contract obviously there. Okay, I think you they can't you in a lot of the change the terms of conditions

1628
02:07:15,130 --> 02:07:15,730
God

1629
02:07:22,930 --> 02:07:26,050
Let's have a few more really quick one second

1630
02:07:26,050 --> 02:07:31,830
Let's be respectful if you're not respectful you will be removed. Right and the conversation

1631
02:07:33,490 --> 02:07:36,110
And of conversation, if you're not, if you're not

1632
02:07:36,110 --> 02:07:38,410
respectful, you will be removed.

1633
02:07:38,410 --> 02:07:39,210
You're actually going to work.

1634
02:07:40,370 --> 02:07:40,590
OK.

1635
02:07:41,210 --> 02:07:42,470
I just said it.

1636
02:07:42,970 --> 02:07:43,290
All right.

1637
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:44,550
All right.

1638
02:07:44,710 --> 02:07:45,270
All right.

1639
02:07:45,310 --> 02:07:48,010
Sir, sir, you do not have standing

1640
02:07:48,010 --> 02:07:49,530
to throw someone out of order.

1641
02:07:50,150 --> 02:07:53,650
He has voice, he has voice, he has speech.

1642
02:07:53,790 --> 02:07:56,790
Let us be personalable with everyone in here.

1643
02:07:56,850 --> 02:07:58,790
And listen, all right?

1644
02:07:58,990 --> 02:07:59,590
You're just not.

1645
02:07:59,650 --> 02:08:00,910
It's not the way it works.

1646
02:08:01,570 --> 02:08:02,290
It's in your eyes.

1647
02:08:02,290 --> 02:08:04,510
I've just got a few more of what they're going to be doing.

1648
02:08:04,670 --> 02:08:09,410
Before you go on, it does say that some data is retained for 30 days.

1649
02:08:09,590 --> 02:08:12,150
Can you say specifically what that data is?

1650
02:08:12,150 --> 02:08:13,310
Yes, it's the three years.

1651
02:08:13,810 --> 02:08:19,090
The data is retained for three years, and that is the snapshot of the photo they shared.

1652
02:08:19,150 --> 02:08:20,690
No, but it also says 30 days.

1653
02:08:20,890 --> 02:08:22,470
So what's the difference between 30 days?

1654
02:08:22,490 --> 02:08:29,130
Three days is the default for the system, except when there's applicable state code or local code.

1655
02:08:29,130 --> 02:08:30,530
has a different retention period.

1656
02:08:30,850 --> 02:08:32,790
So it's really three years and not 30 years.

1657
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:34,850
In New Jersey, it's three years across the board

1658
02:08:34,850 --> 02:08:38,690
and Connecticut and Virginia, it's 21 days

1659
02:08:38,690 --> 02:08:40,010
because that's what state law requires.

1660
02:08:40,250 --> 02:08:41,390
Thank you.

1661
02:08:41,590 --> 02:08:46,350
Multi-factor, Authentification was brought up.

1662
02:08:46,630 --> 02:08:48,170
That is a mandatory requirement

1663
02:08:48,170 --> 02:08:51,090
for any authorized user to log into the system.

1664
02:08:52,130 --> 02:08:54,690
And we can provide the Amazon Web Service Cloud

1665
02:08:54,690 --> 02:08:57,650
retention document that demonstrates the architecture

1666
02:08:57,650 --> 02:09:04,310
where this data is scheduled for deletion permanently deleted and unrecoverable.

1667
02:09:06,410 --> 02:09:08,750
Cyber security was a common theme.

1668
02:09:08,910 --> 02:09:10,250
That's something that we share.

1669
02:09:10,770 --> 02:09:13,010
We know that in this day of age, we need to be vigilant.

1670
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:19,910
We have a number of third party auditors that are required to look at our systems.

1671
02:09:19,950 --> 02:09:23,310
Make sure that we're following the security protocols that we sent up.

1672
02:09:23,310 --> 02:09:27,910
Not just one time, but over months to make sure that we're in accordance to this.

1673
02:09:28,150 --> 02:09:35,070
This is to remain compliant with the criminal justice information data that we're collecting, so that's it.

1674
02:09:35,070 --> 02:09:37,010
So that's that's a requirement to pretty seriously.

1675
02:09:37,690 --> 02:09:48,530
We know that we have to be vigilant, so we've gone above and beyond and hired independent third party cyber companies, cyber security companies, they're called ethical hackers.

1676
02:09:48,530 --> 02:09:57,550
Bishop Fox is one of them to aggressively look for vulnerabilities in our software and our hardware to make sure that we are staying ahead of the curve

1677
02:09:57,550 --> 02:09:59,970
It's something that we know we need to stay on top of because of it

1678
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,960
In the sense of nature of this information.

1679
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,660
Two more things real quick. There is no facial recognition

1680
02:10:06,660 --> 02:10:13,040
on these cameras at all. Signal trace was mentioned. I think that's a different company that does

1681
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:20,500
the Bluetooth signal piece. This is nothing to do with Bluetooth or cell phone information. This

1682
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:26,360
is just the photo of a exterior vehicle, the back of a car, to look for the plastic metal that's

1683
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:28,340
traveling on a public roadway.

1684
02:10:29,220 --> 02:10:32,140
And then the audit accountability, we do recommend,

1685
02:10:32,580 --> 02:10:35,580
and think you're following a model policy of regular audits,

1686
02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:39,860
but we recently adopted a new tool that allows

1687
02:10:39,860 --> 02:10:43,200
for real-time auditing for any potential misuse.

1688
02:10:43,220 --> 02:10:44,940
It searches for a regular search patterns.

1689
02:10:45,300 --> 02:10:48,400
For example, if someone were to search the same license plate

1690
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,700
200 times with 16 different offense types,

1691
02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:54,220
that's probably not legitimate law enforcement activity

1692
02:10:54,220 --> 02:11:06,560
that would be flagged immediately to the administrator of your account, in your office, to further investigate and then determine if there's any misuse, it's unacceptable and this needs to be taken quite seriously.

1693
02:11:07,700 --> 02:11:13,040
I had a question about like number of cameras and grants, I think that's probably best for the director.

1694
02:11:14,920 --> 02:11:18,620
All right, so the number of cameras that we have in town right now are 22.

1695
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:24,220
This system was paid for by Grant from the state of New Jersey.

1696
02:11:24,780 --> 02:11:27,360
That grant was in the amount of $339,000.

1697
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:31,060
It was a technology grant to make the community safer.

1698
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:36,700
There was ALPR's included in that grant and other technology included in that grant.

1699
02:11:38,180 --> 02:11:41,680
So, it was paid for by Grant, not only taxpayers, back.

1700
02:11:42,620 --> 02:11:45,860
It was put out to bid, so it was public information.

1701
02:11:45,860 --> 02:11:49,480
It was placed on our website and several companies did

1702
02:11:49,480 --> 02:11:54,600
bid to get the contract with the township, all right?

1703
02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,220
And the resolution was passed here in front of township.

1704
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:06,660
I'll just add, everything we pass is published in paper.

1705
02:12:08,220 --> 02:12:10,260
Our agendas are published.

1706
02:12:12,180 --> 02:12:15,020
There is no, this wasn't snuck through.

1707
02:12:18,580 --> 02:12:21,520
And if I made you sad also, just for four years, correct?

1708
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:27,320
Also, someone mentioned about using flock for probably a cause.

1709
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,060
We cannot use flock for probably a cause.

1710
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:32,260
We cannot do that.

1711
02:12:39,900 --> 02:12:43,520
A testament that keeps coming up is everyone keeps repeating that we are

1712
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:45,560
Surveilling that are reiterate.

1713
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:48,180
We are not Surveilling you.

1714
02:12:48,860 --> 02:12:50,480
I'm not looking at your license plate.

1715
02:12:50,620 --> 02:12:52,040
I'm not looking at your license plate.

1716
02:12:52,100 --> 02:12:53,380
I'm not looking at your license plate.

1717
02:12:53,380 --> 02:13:00,520
If you do commit a crime or an infraction where the police officers have to look at your license plate,

1718
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:03,000
then yes, we are going to look at your license plate.

1719
02:13:03,940 --> 02:13:04,660
It's that simple.

1720
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:05,640
We are not tracking.

1721
02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:07,300
No interest in tracking, not at all.

1722
02:13:08,300 --> 02:13:11,140
We spoke about the audit he touched on audit a bit.

1723
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:12,200
I'll touch on it again.

1724
02:13:12,700 --> 02:13:13,600
It was a little bit of confusion.

1725
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:16,920
The state requires an audit every year.

1726
02:13:18,380 --> 02:13:22,840
By attorney general guideline, Franklin Township has taken it a step further.

1727
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:26,320
we ordered quarterly and we ordered monthly.

1728
02:13:26,820 --> 02:13:28,720
That monthly audit is random.

1729
02:13:29,340 --> 02:13:31,520
No officer knows when it comes, when it's coming.

1730
02:13:32,420 --> 02:13:35,560
At any point, the county prosecutor can order us.

1731
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:40,100
At any point, the state ALP coordinator can order us, right?

1732
02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:43,220
And we cannot refuse that audit if something is found

1733
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:46,980
inappropriately, that officer will be dealt with.

1734
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:48,980
Again, we are all human beings.

1735
02:13:49,660 --> 02:13:51,380
Some human beings make mistakes.

1736
02:13:52,940 --> 02:14:02,200
So when the order is performed, is it one person performing the order to say a L.B. coordinator for the police department is the only person that performs the order and then sends it to the county then to the state

1737
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:07,400
They ordered they ordered the system

1738
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:16,220
They ordered the system right they ordered the system and that order is then ordered it by the county and then ordered it again by the state

1739
02:14:17,240 --> 02:14:23,660
Right and direct there what happens with that order report what does this state do with that order that order report is published

1740
02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:26,860
It is published, and it's published annually.

1741
02:14:28,660 --> 02:14:32,520
So you will see the PDs that have officers that make those mistakes.

1742
02:14:33,580 --> 02:14:34,580
It's not hidden.

1743
02:14:35,780 --> 02:14:36,680
It's not hidden.

1744
02:14:39,740 --> 02:14:40,340
I'm sorry.

1745
02:14:40,340 --> 02:14:41,640
No, I'm sorry.

1746
02:14:41,780 --> 02:14:42,440
No, I'm sorry.

1747
02:14:42,620 --> 02:14:44,320
You can't speak now.

1748
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:48,140
And someone, I think someone asked about deletion.

1749
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:53,020
That's why Amazon Web Services, AWS, if I'm not correct.

1750
02:14:53,020 --> 02:14:58,670
Someone, I talked about, um,

1751
02:15:00,180 --> 02:15:09,980
The business of IT and me making an excuse about mistakes. I'm not making an excuse about mistakes. What I'm telling you is reality. I am in law enforcement.

1752
02:15:11,380 --> 02:15:28,360
Right? I see the reality. I'm telling you the reality. Not what it might be, or what it may be, of what happens. And when I say someone with alien tensions is going to try to do something to further whatever it is they're trying to do, they are going to try it. Someone spoke about domestic violence.

1753
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:35,220
And we can talk about TR rules, temporary restraining orders, right?

1754
02:15:36,340 --> 02:15:41,440
Your NDV, when it is ever stopped somebody that's intending, intends to potentially

1755
02:15:41,440 --> 02:15:47,520
going to go and hurt that other person, yes, who stops them, the police.

1756
02:15:48,860 --> 02:15:50,360
That's who stops them, right?

1757
02:15:51,340 --> 02:15:52,900
So think about that.

1758
02:15:53,220 --> 02:15:57,840
Now, a lot of you gave examples of all of these things that went on around the country with

1759
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:05,140
as far as misbehavior with cops, the difference in New Jersey is professionals and training.

1760
02:16:05,580 --> 02:16:13,520
I did not hear one example in New Jersey of a breach or any other example you gave about

1761
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:21,620
flock. Not one, you know why? Because we are held to such a high standard, right? Now, I'm sure

1762
02:16:21,620 --> 02:16:28,560
You all have seen the AG's publication, not sure if you do or didn't, but the AG publishes

1763
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:30,960
yearly misbehavior by police officers.

1764
02:16:31,780 --> 02:16:36,060
There's an entire packet that comes out every year, full transparency, right?

1765
02:16:36,540 --> 02:16:37,400
It's not hidden.

1766
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:39,740
We know that some people make mistakes.

1767
02:16:41,180 --> 02:16:45,060
Someone mentioned about cameras only being in the black and brown community.

1768
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:50,920
Well, I can clearly tell you that all the cameras are not in black and brown communities,

1769
02:16:50,920 --> 02:16:53,640
and are not disproportionately put in those communities.

1770
02:16:54,380 --> 02:16:56,960
They are strategically placed around the town

1771
02:16:56,960 --> 02:17:00,260
from New Brunswick to Princeton, to Piscataway,

1772
02:17:00,280 --> 02:17:01,780
to Southboundbrook.

1773
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:04,420
All right, I'm one in the agency,

1774
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:07,640
and I'm not going to run the agency with bias.

1775
02:17:08,660 --> 02:17:09,780
I'm going to be fair.

1776
02:17:10,820 --> 02:17:12,580
Anyone that knows me, I will talk it out,

1777
02:17:12,640 --> 02:17:13,780
we will talk it out, I will listen,

1778
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:16,120
until we all get it right.

1779
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:19,560
And who decides where the cameras go?

1780
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:26,240
The cameras are decided on entry and exit ports from the town and then data from our statistics.

1781
02:17:26,900 --> 02:17:27,720
But who would?

1782
02:17:28,620 --> 02:17:32,760
Ultimately, I'll command staff myself and the captain's and will tenets.

1783
02:17:33,020 --> 02:17:34,780
So the council has nothing to do with it.

1784
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:36,600
The council does not have anything to do with it.

1785
02:17:37,740 --> 02:17:40,540
So Director, just to want to just to re-emphasize,

1786
02:17:40,540 --> 02:17:49,620
Are you aware of any misuse of the APL-ALPR system in the Franklin PD?

1787
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:50,740
No, sir.

1788
02:17:51,060 --> 02:17:51,360
Absolutely not.

1789
02:17:53,020 --> 02:17:54,760
Director, where are the locations for these?

1790
02:17:54,980 --> 02:17:56,900
Are you able to share that or that's sensitive?

1791
02:17:56,920 --> 02:17:58,780
I will not share that sensitive information.

1792
02:17:59,380 --> 02:17:59,900
It's strategic.

1793
02:18:00,580 --> 02:18:03,180
Everyone has seen the pictures of the cameras.

1794
02:18:04,180 --> 02:18:05,700
They're not hidden.

1795
02:18:06,020 --> 02:18:09,960
They're not like hidden in trees or, you know, they're out there.

1796
02:18:09,960 --> 02:18:14,920
you can see them. And once you see one, you notice them. I see them all around, all around

1797
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:15,280
the Jersey.

1798
02:18:21,460 --> 02:18:28,020
Zurich, can you also mention who from the police department have access to that data?

1799
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:34,340
Access to the data are sergeants and above, sergeants lieutenant's captains and the command staff.

1800
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:36,140
Lieutenant says well.

1801
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:42,710
Citizen oversight, so once spoke about that for a flock ordered, what you have to understand

1802
02:18:42,710 --> 02:18:49,990
is, again, connecting two warrants, so I'm going to ask about warrants to get flock data.

1803
02:18:50,570 --> 02:18:56,070
And at hand out that I handed out to everyone, stored ARD data shall be treated as criminal

1804
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:57,570
investigatory records.

1805
02:18:57,950 --> 02:18:59,490
That is the rule in New Jersey.

1806
02:19:00,590 --> 02:19:05,790
So you're not getting that information, don't overrequest, it's an investigatory record, right?

1807
02:19:06,090 --> 02:19:10,630
I don't know if anybody here has been involved in any type of victim, right?

1808
02:19:10,990 --> 02:19:11,890
Victims have rights.

1809
02:19:11,890 --> 02:19:14,070
You don't get to see what happened to the victims.

1810
02:19:15,390 --> 02:19:18,870
Someone mentioned that I only came in with a certain number of incidents.

1811
02:19:19,510 --> 02:19:22,950
If I came in here with all the incidents from flock, I would still be talking.

1812
02:19:23,930 --> 02:19:24,870
From this morning.

1813
02:19:25,670 --> 02:19:25,850
Okay?

1814
02:19:26,550 --> 02:19:27,510
I would still be talking.

1815
02:19:28,110 --> 02:19:29,830
And judging by the looks of your faces,

1816
02:19:30,650 --> 02:19:33,210
I don't think you want to hear all of that, but I gave you highlights.

1817
02:19:33,770 --> 02:19:35,110
I gave you highlights.

1818
02:19:36,630 --> 02:19:37,030
Again.

1819
02:19:38,330 --> 02:19:43,550
criminal investigatory records. Some of these entities are still going on. I'm not at

1820
02:19:43,550 --> 02:19:48,290
liberty to release it. Anyone who's been in the system, anyone who knows

1821
02:19:48,290 --> 02:19:50,250
other operates, will understand.

1822
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:54,860
I don't know if I missed anything else. Are you able to

1823
02:19:54,860 --> 02:19:59,960
answer about single multi-fat? Yes, he already answered that he answered. What about?

1824
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,680
They keep talking about false positive flags. How are we doing that?

1825
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:10,260
False positive flags, he can answer, but I can I can attest to probably in the beginning, like any

1826
02:20:10,260 --> 02:20:16,860
system it's learning. And when I say professionalism in New Jersey, the officer has a duty to

1827
02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:23,440
vet the information before they make a move. Okay? All kind of examples. He pulled a gun. He did this.

1828
02:20:23,540 --> 02:20:28,180
He did that. That's probably training. We're trained very well in New Jersey.

1829
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:35,420
Okay, I did not hear an example and if you find one, let me know, all right, posted, do everything

1830
02:20:35,420 --> 02:20:40,000
that you're doing right now, but I can almost guarantee you, in New Jersey an officer that

1831
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:46,620
does something like that, probably will not have a job and it's going to be swift and accountability

1832
02:20:46,620 --> 02:20:51,800
will be done, I mean, it's not like we're going to play a game, it's not 20 years ago, that's

1833
02:20:51,800 --> 02:20:56,300
not how it goes, especially here in Franklin Township, especially here in New Jersey, all right,

1834
02:20:56,300 --> 02:20:58,620
I can tell you that as your public safety director,

1835
02:20:59,100 --> 02:21:00,740
if one of my officers makes a mistake,

1836
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:02,280
they're held accountable.

1837
02:21:02,420 --> 02:21:04,760
If it's a courageous enough for them to be removed

1838
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:06,540
from the police department, they are removed

1839
02:21:06,540 --> 02:21:07,520
from the police department.

1840
02:21:10,310 --> 02:21:12,690
Any citizen complaint that you have regarding ALPR

1841
02:21:13,410 --> 02:21:14,530
doesn't even come to me.

1842
02:21:14,610 --> 02:21:17,370
It passes me and goes to the county into the state.

1843
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:20,770
They take that away from us.

1844
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:23,190
I'm not even allowed to investigate it.

1845
02:21:23,310 --> 02:21:24,810
It goes to the next level.

1846
02:21:24,810 --> 02:21:31,410
That's how serious they are about this ALPR information in the state of New Jersey

1847
02:21:32,490 --> 02:21:34,210
Anything else that was missed?

1848
02:21:34,610 --> 02:21:41,010
I do have a question for the plot forever. There was a question that was asked about getting the output

1849
02:21:41,730 --> 02:21:46,050
from the flux systems of the cameras and feeding it into a AI system

1850
02:21:46,050 --> 02:21:53,950
in terms of what the roadmap is and what the art of the possible can you respond to how we are using AI to the data

1851
02:21:53,950 --> 02:21:54,710
that's been collected.

1852
02:21:55,570 --> 02:21:57,030
Yeah, so that's a good question.

1853
02:21:57,430 --> 02:21:59,730
We do use machine learning to determine

1854
02:21:59,730 --> 02:22:02,790
the characteristics of the vehicle, and that's it.

1855
02:22:02,790 --> 02:22:06,790
So we look at the make model color, the alphanumer,

1856
02:22:07,430 --> 02:22:08,970
the characters on the license plate.

1857
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:13,650
And we used a historic data in real life to determine,

1858
02:22:14,030 --> 02:22:17,650
to train the cameras recognize what a E looks like in low light,

1859
02:22:18,450 --> 02:22:22,850
what the new Cybertruck rear end looks like,

1860
02:22:22,850 --> 02:22:27,010
so that the camera can learn to, for a more accurate reading.

1861
02:22:28,770 --> 02:22:30,610
That's how we use machine learning in AI.

1862
02:22:31,530 --> 02:22:32,430
I would like to.

1863
02:22:32,910 --> 02:22:34,790
Do you have a demo access?

1864
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:39,100
There's a question about demo access.

1865
02:22:39,260 --> 02:22:42,740
Somebody said that I guess your company, when there's someplace else in the demo,

1866
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:44,720
that they pull up a camera.

1867
02:22:44,840 --> 02:22:47,120
I think that was the question that they pull up a camera in Franklin.

1868
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:50,880
There's no agreement for a demo access with the downgrip.

1869
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:55,600
That would be a separate, a separate contract you'd have to sign to give express permission.

1870
02:22:56,420 --> 02:22:57,100
And I will say that.

1871
02:22:57,180 --> 02:23:04,080
So you're saying that you're sorry everybody in the sense of specifically when you're trying to sell this system to the city of Newark.

1872
02:23:04,340 --> 02:23:09,680
You can't say, well look for instance, here's a camera that's on Hamilton Street and Franklin.

1873
02:23:10,220 --> 02:23:13,340
Look what I can see and you access it on your computer. You can't do that.

1874
02:23:13,360 --> 02:23:14,240
We cannot do that.

1875
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:19,220
We would have to be given to not have the capabilities or you just are not allowed to do it based upon our contract.

1876
02:23:19,220 --> 02:23:25,780
We're not allowed to do it, we have no right to access the data that's owned by you, and every

1877
02:23:25,780 --> 02:23:27,040
you can answer my question though.

1878
02:23:27,500 --> 02:23:30,380
We're not permitted to do it because you do not permit to do it.

1879
02:23:30,660 --> 02:23:32,140
You can't answer the contractual.

1880
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:34,380
Are you technically capable of doing it?

1881
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:40,480
Because you're terrific in your here tonight, but you have a 25 year old salesman

1882
02:23:40,480 --> 02:23:43,960
who's out there trying to make a commission and he's showing off.

1883
02:23:45,540 --> 02:23:47,040
That's the question in the public's question.

1884
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:52,040
do you have, and if you do, is there a way that we can end that access?

1885
02:23:52,580 --> 02:23:57,960
If we were to make a search on your account without your permission, that would show up in your audit.

1886
02:23:58,580 --> 02:24:04,040
There's no way to make a search without an unedible audit record saying,

1887
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:11,120
this is the person who logged in, this is the case that they were running, this is the fence count,

1888
02:24:11,340 --> 02:24:15,140
this is the time, this is the camera that would search, so that would show in any audit.

1889
02:24:15,140 --> 02:24:19,000
So, so that your answer to my question, you, you have the capabilities of doing it.

1890
02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:22,000
The question is, is there a way that we can block that capability?

1891
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:26,520
We would be in violation of our contract, so you're not answering my question.

1892
02:24:27,060 --> 02:24:30,260
Would you be able to stop your ability to do it?

1893
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:31,340
Do you want to do it?

1894
02:24:31,620 --> 02:24:32,920
Sir, I didn't ask you.

1895
02:24:33,560 --> 02:24:33,960
Please stop.

1896
02:24:34,460 --> 02:24:35,960
Sir, stop.

1897
02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:45,060
Would you be able to stop flocks ability to access our cameras to show it to another town as a demo?

1898
02:24:45,860 --> 02:24:51,740
By contract? No. By technology. I would have to confirm. I believe that to be the case.

1899
02:24:51,860 --> 02:24:58,260
I feel like the way we access it a permitted demo structure is a completely different architecture

1900
02:24:58,260 --> 02:24:59,980
that's the question you would use.

1901
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:12,410
You had a question? Yeah, there was a question about the cost of taxpayers. So we heard that we have this grant for four years.

1902
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:20,790
And what's going to happen after four years? That'll be up to you. I don't think that the director can answer that question councilman.

1903
02:25:21,530 --> 02:25:26,290
So the answer is, that'll be up to the governing body to decide if they want to award another contract.

1904
02:25:26,290 --> 02:25:30,470
correct I am just asking what will be the cost so we cannot do so I think that that will be

1905
02:25:30,470 --> 02:25:34,390
they're going right out what they charge in two years don't know that yeah

1906
02:25:40,450 --> 02:25:47,250
$300 per camera right now we don't know what the cost is going to be down the road

1907
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:54,350
correct could be low lower could be higher we don't know

1908
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:55,350
Oprah.

1909
02:25:56,990 --> 02:25:58,490
Yeah, I addressed Oprah.

1910
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:01,720
Not it's not Oprah.

1911
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:03,040
I didn't think so.

1912
02:26:03,180 --> 02:26:03,860
I sent you that signature.

1913
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:04,740
I hear it.

1914
02:26:05,020 --> 02:26:05,540
I hear it.

1915
02:26:08,280 --> 02:26:09,760
Anything we missed?

1916
02:26:15,360 --> 02:26:16,360
Yes, I'm sorry.

1917
02:26:17,180 --> 02:26:18,880
The patrol cars do have ALPR.

1918
02:26:20,500 --> 02:26:22,940
We have ALPR and the patrol cars since 2010.

1919
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:26,520
And what?

1920
02:26:27,440 --> 02:26:30,240
Why are multiple officers signing off to you?

1921
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:31,580
Absolutely.

1922
02:26:31,580 --> 02:26:35,400
There is general orders that each officer has to sign off on.

1923
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:39,560
There is training that each officer has to take and sign off on that training.

1924
02:26:42,820 --> 02:26:44,410
It's already required director.

1925
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:54,140
She's asking is if one officer needs the approval of another officer at a higher rank before a search can be done?

1926
02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:56,740
Part of our general order.

1927
02:27:00,940 --> 02:27:09,620
What you also ask, excuse me, you also ask why it was blocked notified before the people were notified.

1928
02:27:10,640 --> 02:27:12,540
Let me tell you how that happened.

1929
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:21,860
About two or three months ago, I went, I knocked on a door and someone told me about block.

1930
02:27:22,940 --> 02:27:24,700
And I didn't know what it was talking about.

1931
02:27:24,700 --> 02:27:30,920
I knew we had ALPR, I didn't associate the name flock with it, I didn't realize that.

1932
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:34,740
So I looked that up and I got the association that was fine.

1933
02:27:35,100 --> 02:27:43,720
Then I believe it was this gentleman here who contacted me about a petition he had and we

1934
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:50,180
talked to the director and we talked to flock and when flock said that they would come,

1935
02:27:50,180 --> 02:28:00,380
I let him know before my fellow council members, before the press knew, you can ask the member of the press.

1936
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:08,100
He asked me how did they find out so quickly that there was going to be a meeting.

1937
02:28:08,400 --> 02:28:13,940
It's because I let him know about that before I even let council members know.

1938
02:28:14,740 --> 02:28:19,040
So I don't think there was much hiding of information.

1939
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:19,720
I

1940
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:42,030
don't know the answer to that, but I can still open to that.

1941
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:43,250
So, Mr. Ainov.

1942
02:28:43,310 --> 02:28:43,710
I don't know.

1943
02:28:43,730 --> 02:28:45,590
So, I have a question about that.

1944
02:28:45,590 --> 02:28:47,230
I'll ask the Chancellor of Attorney's a question.

1945
02:28:47,430 --> 02:28:49,810
And I think is relevant to that question.

1946
02:28:50,130 --> 02:28:54,010
If one of our officers conducts an act of misconduct,

1947
02:28:54,570 --> 02:28:58,250
why would flock and demnify us for using their product

1948
02:28:58,250 --> 02:28:59,110
inappropriately?

1949
02:28:59,570 --> 02:29:02,390
So, I'm not sure that I can answer that.

1950
02:29:03,290 --> 02:29:04,110
Let's stop now.

1951
02:29:04,190 --> 02:29:05,430
Generally, and I'm going to say,

1952
02:29:05,430 --> 02:29:11,190
is generally indemnification clauses, don't indemnify, you don't indemnify for the wrong

1953
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:11,610
collapse.

1954
02:29:11,730 --> 02:29:11,970
Right.

1955
02:29:12,250 --> 02:29:12,710
Exactly.

1956
02:29:12,850 --> 02:29:13,310
That's right.

1957
02:29:13,310 --> 02:29:16,650
But I don't have the contract in front of me, so I'm not comfortable in answering the

1958
02:29:16,650 --> 02:29:19,590
questions to what the indemnification clause says or not.

1959
02:29:21,830 --> 02:29:24,390
But that's generally the way indemnification clause.

1960
02:29:24,430 --> 02:29:27,390
But my question, I think, is a little bit different, maybe.

1961
02:29:27,410 --> 02:29:35,010
I think that, honestly, I don't, and I want to, and I can't answer the question without having

1962
02:29:35,010 --> 02:29:44,750
the contract in front of me, but I think the question was, you get a false, and get a false

1963
02:29:44,750 --> 02:29:52,190
positive from flock and you pull over in a rest, you know, a mom with a baby in the vaccine

1964
02:29:52,190 --> 02:29:54,730
of a carpenter and a long robbery, and that she didn't commit.

1965
02:29:55,230 --> 02:29:59,590
So now there's a lawsuit, now the township hasn't done anything wrong, because all the township

1966
02:30:00,530 --> 02:30:13,750
Tipe in information into a system, but flock ready wrong. I think the question, which I can't answer tonight, because I don't have the contract in front of me, is whether or not they're prepared to indemnify us for their wrong choice.

1967
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:30,510
Right. Because in that circumstance, as we know what happens there, is the civil rights violation is always foisted upon the public entity, not the private party. So that's really the question. The answer is, I don't know the answer to our question. The other thing that I don't know, which may or may or may or may not be in this contract is,

1968
02:30:30,510 --> 02:30:34,690
whether or not there are either bonds or insurance provisions in it, but I don't have

1969
02:30:34,690 --> 02:30:35,070
the contract.

1970
02:30:35,350 --> 02:30:35,990
I apologize.

1971
02:30:37,730 --> 02:30:38,090
I'm sorry.

1972
02:30:38,810 --> 02:30:39,310
I'm sorry.

1973
02:30:39,450 --> 02:30:42,550
I really also asked why you two said that the bill of games was worth less than

1974
02:30:42,550 --> 02:30:42,670
me.

1975
02:30:43,250 --> 02:30:45,710
I don't answer the legal questions from Mr. Croutaville.

1976
02:30:45,910 --> 02:30:46,870
That's just my policy.

1977
02:30:47,690 --> 02:30:48,590
So you're welcome.

1978
02:30:48,810 --> 02:30:49,690
I got a question.

1979
02:30:49,870 --> 02:30:50,810
I can't answer.

1980
02:30:51,750 --> 02:30:53,030
I answered about the problem.

1981
02:30:53,710 --> 02:30:55,530
So I was going to address that, sir.

1982
02:30:55,810 --> 02:30:58,090
So again, and I'm going to now ask you a question.

1983
02:30:58,090 --> 02:31:03,530
I urge you to say it three times and I don't understand what you mean.

1984
02:31:04,290 --> 02:31:05,830
This company makes a profit.

1985
02:31:05,870 --> 02:31:08,510
No, I'm talking about in your letter.

1986
02:31:08,850 --> 02:31:13,330
See, I'm just trying to prohibit these companies.

1987
02:31:14,310 --> 02:31:16,590
Why? Why? Why?

1988
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:17,930
Maybe I don't know.

1989
02:31:18,050 --> 02:31:19,010
You do get profit.

1990
02:31:19,690 --> 02:31:20,330
No.

1991
02:31:21,050 --> 02:31:21,690
No.

1992
02:31:21,850 --> 02:31:23,330
It says, profiling.

1993
02:31:23,870 --> 02:31:24,850
Not profiling.

1994
02:31:24,950 --> 02:31:26,930
The word is profiling, sir.

1995
02:31:26,930 --> 02:31:33,950
We can't profile. That's why I didn't understand what you meant when you asked it. Okay, all right

1996
02:31:34,970 --> 02:31:37,290
Not a problem. I got one's in my hand

1997
02:31:38,830 --> 02:31:40,590
Not in this you at all sir

1998
02:31:58,570 --> 02:32:06,610
So actually, I think that it's not actually a federal court, that's actually kind of been the law in New Jersey.

1999
02:32:07,130 --> 02:32:09,730
Remember there's a federal constitution on the state constitution.

2000
02:32:10,290 --> 02:32:16,330
The state constitution, I think it's Article 1, Section 19, list a number of, it's like a bill of rights.

2001
02:32:16,470 --> 02:32:17,510
That's in the state constitution.

2002
02:32:18,090 --> 02:32:23,950
And the Supreme Court in New Jersey for years has ruled that there is more protection on the state constitution.

2003
02:32:23,950 --> 02:32:26,390
in some circumstances and there is under federal constitution.

2004
02:32:27,090 --> 02:32:31,870
And I think what the Supreme Court has said in a kind of a number, a very different

2005
02:32:31,870 --> 02:32:32,110
way.

2006
02:32:32,270 --> 02:32:33,630
So remember, new technology.

2007
02:32:34,050 --> 02:32:37,670
So we're trying to interpret, you know, somebody talked about Carclerker, which was

2008
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:43,230
a great case from the 1960s, I think, but it's hard to extrapolate it through tonight.

2009
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:49,330
But I think what the New Jersey Supreme Court has, I kind of, sus out what it is that they're

2010
02:32:49,330 --> 02:32:55,390
saying that if it becomes systematic, and I think that that's your point. If it's

2011
02:32:55,390 --> 02:33:00,510
a point where there's a, like if you were using, you had a suspect in a case, and

2012
02:33:00,510 --> 02:33:04,810
you were using flock to track all of their movements. For a person of interest in a case

2013
02:33:04,810 --> 02:33:13,130
and you were doing that, there's a point at which that act becomes a relative of someone's

2014
02:33:13,130 --> 02:33:17,410
fourth amendment, because it's being used for a different purpose. The New Jersey courts

2015
02:33:17,410 --> 02:33:22,070
federal courts are pretty clear that just the reading of the license plate in and of itself

2016
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:27,290
is not a search because it's on public display essentially it's in plain sight.

2017
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:33,330
So I think that that's what you're trying to say. I don't think that your question is

2018
02:33:33,330 --> 02:33:39,530
who makes that determination? Ultimately, it's court. But I think that there are policies and

2019
02:33:39,530 --> 02:33:44,730
I'm let the director answer the rest of it. Do our policies in place? That's not something

2020
02:33:44,730 --> 02:33:50,690
and we under our policies can use it for, right?

2021
02:33:50,690 --> 02:33:51,590
I'm going to speak about that one.

2022
02:33:52,190 --> 02:33:54,650
So we're, we, so, so, director, so.

2023
02:33:54,650 --> 02:33:58,730
So I made the mistake of asking public what we missed.

2024
02:33:58,890 --> 02:34:00,370
I've jumped down a rabbit hole.

2025
02:34:00,870 --> 02:34:02,590
There's not a continuing discussion.

2026
02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:08,830
It's just if we missed a question, I'm not, I just finished one.

2027
02:34:09,130 --> 02:34:11,330
Yeah, and then I have a question for the director.

2028
02:34:16,070 --> 02:34:16,550
So

2029
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:27,080
we don't have a percentage of false positives in Franklin.

2030
02:34:27,980 --> 02:34:29,180
So you're not.

2031
02:34:29,300 --> 02:34:31,440
No, because we haven't had one.

2032
02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:33,060
Not explaining the question.

2033
02:34:34,620 --> 02:34:35,640
No, I haven't had a false positive.

2034
02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:37,080
We've had a false positive, sir.

2035
02:34:37,480 --> 02:34:38,640
That's what I'm saying to you.

2036
02:34:38,840 --> 02:34:39,940
There's going to be two more.

2037
02:34:40,020 --> 02:34:41,860
I'm going to allow two more counsel.

2038
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:46,060
You can beat up on me for having to turn this woman.

2039
02:34:46,060 --> 02:34:53,320
woman, this woman here. Yes, did we miss one of your questions?

2040
02:35:09,180 --> 02:35:15,660
So, use of the system for reproductive health care or civil immigration enforcement is proven by state law.

2041
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:23,720
So, that's coded into the systems that this cannot be used for those searches. We've created filters to block any search terms related to that.

2042
02:35:24,260 --> 02:35:28,260
So, no, this would not be permitted. Use investigation.

2043
02:35:31,340 --> 02:35:33,400
The woman in black,

2044
02:35:37,690 --> 02:35:47,420
are they capable of facial recognition and what are they capable of?

2045
02:35:49,300 --> 02:35:49,980
No.

2046
02:35:49,980 --> 02:35:50,460
What house?

2047
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:51,700
Is it important?

2048
02:35:52,100 --> 02:35:52,660
How is that possible?

2049
02:35:53,300 --> 02:35:56,820
These are just taking a photo of the exterior of a vehicle.

2050
02:35:58,280 --> 02:36:00,160
It's a single...

2051
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:04,120
It's not built to look for faces.

2052
02:36:04,120 --> 02:36:07,740
It's looking at the exterior vehicle to specifically

2053
02:36:07,740 --> 02:36:10,400
that license plate and vehicle characteristics

2054
02:36:10,400 --> 02:36:11,860
make model color.

2055
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:13,820
All right, we've got it.

2056
02:36:13,860 --> 02:36:16,640
So this meeting, well,

2057
02:36:18,810 --> 02:36:20,230
I think, at this point,

2058
02:36:20,390 --> 02:36:21,170
come there.

2059
02:36:21,650 --> 02:36:23,570
Let's try to gather there.

2060
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:25,150
It's just all of them and then come back to them.

2061
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:26,690
I'm actually going to try to answer them all.

2062
02:36:27,010 --> 02:36:28,450
I don't think you can get to that every one.

2063
02:36:29,850 --> 02:36:31,990
I don't think they get to that every one.

2064
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:33,150
I don't think they can get to that every one.

2065
02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:44,730
So we had a council meeting scheduled.

2066
02:36:45,650 --> 02:36:47,670
We have business council business to do.

2067
02:36:47,810 --> 02:36:49,390
We have to pay the bills.

2068
02:36:49,970 --> 02:36:52,670
We have to pass some ordinances.

2069
02:36:52,810 --> 02:36:53,750
We don't have any.

2070
02:36:54,990 --> 02:36:55,950
We've done.

2071
02:36:56,830 --> 02:36:59,770
And we've done.

2072
02:37:00,830 --> 02:37:02,110
We have.

2073
02:37:02,890 --> 02:37:18,210
We added, I added this to the agenda, we didn't have to add anything, could have let people come up, and just been, so we do have to move on.

2074
02:37:18,330 --> 02:37:24,170
I'm sorry if we missed questions. I'll be here after the meeting.

2075
02:37:26,810 --> 02:37:29,710
May I do have a comment before we leave this topic?

2076
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:37,970
So, I just want to respond to two comments that were made in the public session.

2077
02:37:38,010 --> 02:37:39,030
First of all,

2078
02:37:42,200 --> 02:37:48,500
there was a comment that was made about council having board faces and having made up our minds.

2079
02:37:49,220 --> 02:38:00,740
I just want to say, that is for those from the truth, public comment is an important part of the process.

2080
02:38:00,740 --> 02:38:09,100
I spoke for myself, I speak for myself and in many instance that I represent the council as well.

2081
02:38:09,660 --> 02:38:18,100
I listen carefully and care about your perspectives and comments even if they are different from mine.

2082
02:38:18,900 --> 02:38:27,160
I was not in the council when the LPR and the flood cameras were discussed and contracted.

2083
02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:37,400
But I know the conversations that we have heard today, whether it was about data privacy,

2084
02:38:38,260 --> 02:38:44,100
whether it was about environmental issues, whether it was about civil rights, all of those topics

2085
02:38:44,100 --> 02:38:46,300
are relevant and important.

2086
02:38:46,660 --> 02:38:49,320
And this is not the only time we're going to talk about this.

2087
02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:51,740
I do want to respond to an acquisition.

2088
02:38:51,740 --> 02:38:58,900
and it's happened a few times. I use my phone. I'm going to say this again, I use my

2089
02:38:58,900 --> 02:39:04,700
phone during all meetings including council meetings to make some personal notes for

2090
02:39:04,700 --> 02:39:05,460
myself.

2091
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:17,980
If the person who made that acquisition really, truly, deeply cares about what

2092
02:39:17,980 --> 02:39:22,240
and during the course of this specific meeting, I'm happy to share my notes from this meeting.

2093
02:39:22,920 --> 02:39:28,600
I do this for all meetings and I will continue to do that, but do not for a second assume.

2094
02:39:29,940 --> 02:39:36,380
That I'm here, spending my time listening to you, that I'm not paying attention. Thank you.

2095
02:39:37,380 --> 02:39:39,900
All right, we're going to move on.

2096
02:39:48,460 --> 02:39:52,240
Council that, uh, we've already had the council discussion item.

2097
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:59,960
We are now on to council comments and we comment comments and reports let's try this we give it one

2098
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:11,060
First, before, do one minute council comment, which have one minute to respond? Is everyone okay with that? Yes. Yes. Yes.

2099
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:13,280
One minute council comment.

2100
02:40:14,700 --> 02:40:23,520
Yeah, put the clock on and wait. Before you start, everyone, if you're going to leave, please leave as quietly as you can.

2101
02:40:24,040 --> 02:40:26,080
Close the doors behind you.

2102
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:28,760
It's the right, I'm

2103
02:40:31,290 --> 02:40:36,410
calling on you first, it's the right, I'm calling on you.

2104
02:40:36,410 --> 02:40:37,870
It's minute, it's called.

2105
02:40:38,330 --> 02:40:39,970
Okay, it's the only joke.

2106
02:40:40,470 --> 02:40:42,050
One minute, right?

2107
02:40:42,530 --> 02:40:42,570
Okay.

2108
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:46,930
The HRC does the committee.

2109
02:40:47,110 --> 02:40:48,110
I'm going to text you.

2110
02:40:48,410 --> 02:40:54,850
It's looking for financial assistance to run the approach,

2111
02:40:54,850 --> 02:41:00,390
There is a common project for the 250 years of independence.

2112
02:41:00,750 --> 02:41:06,010
There are looking for financial assistance from the city, and from the council.

2113
02:41:09,780 --> 02:41:10,680
That is one.

2114
02:41:10,900 --> 02:41:13,140
Another thing is

2115
02:41:15,440 --> 02:41:24,200
the Nigerian community and the West African community lost one of our

2116
02:41:24,200 --> 02:41:26,980
great songs in this community.

2117
02:41:29,460 --> 02:41:34,580
He, he, he, he is in Virginia, Chief Basel, a

2118
02:41:34,580 --> 02:41:39,700
good kid. He has been living in Franklin for a long time and is a successful

2119
02:41:39,700 --> 02:41:46,200
businessman and a distinguished American society. We just lost him.

2120
02:41:48,330 --> 02:41:53,850
Thank you. Councilwoman Francois. I have no comments. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2121
02:41:53,850 --> 02:42:02,010
Councilman embarrassing. I yield my time to your mayor. No yielding of time. Councilwoman, you're Dean.

2122
02:42:02,630 --> 02:42:06,810
No reports at this time. I will give all my updates at the next one. Thank you.

2123
02:42:07,670 --> 02:42:12,270
Councilman Singh. I always step down. Happy new mayor.

2124
02:42:12,890 --> 02:42:20,090
I just want to thank everybody for coming up today. And thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us.

2125
02:42:20,090 --> 02:42:21,310
and we really appreciate it.

2126
02:42:21,370 --> 02:42:22,930
We are here to listen to you.

2127
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:26,170
We are here to learn from you, and we thank you so much.

2128
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:30,330
For my comments, I'll just say,

2129
02:42:30,530 --> 02:42:32,390
this meeting started at 7 o'clock.

2130
02:42:32,530 --> 02:42:36,010
Maybe 10 minutes went to proclamations.

2131
02:42:36,690 --> 02:42:38,730
It's now quarter of 10.

2132
02:42:39,090 --> 02:42:42,510
I don't think anyone can accuse us of ignoring the issue.

2133
02:42:43,050 --> 02:42:44,210
We take it seriously.

2134
02:42:44,930 --> 02:42:45,550
We listened.

2135
02:42:46,290 --> 02:42:47,890
Thank you for your comments.

2136
02:42:49,150 --> 02:42:50,370
Mr. Manager.

2137
02:42:51,050 --> 02:42:53,350
Just one thing to report, Mr. Mayor.

2138
02:42:54,490 --> 02:43:01,210
At 2026, 2027 tax bills are now available online through the web portal on the website.

2139
02:43:02,110 --> 02:43:05,130
And tax bills will be mailed out on August 21.

2140
02:43:05,730 --> 02:43:11,750
The grace period for the third quarter taxes is extended through September 15th.

2141
02:43:11,870 --> 02:43:16,350
And you can wait for your tax bill and pay it in the normal fashion,

2142
02:43:16,350 --> 02:43:25,790
or you can pay it online at any time between now and the deadline for the grace period of September 15th.

2143
02:43:25,790 --> 02:43:26,530
That's it.

2144
02:43:27,010 --> 02:43:27,610
Thank you.

2145
02:43:28,750 --> 02:43:29,470
approve of the minutes.

2146
02:43:29,630 --> 02:43:32,350
I present the following minutes to the Township Council for their approval.

2147
02:43:32,850 --> 02:43:36,990
Township Council work session regular minutes to live 14th, 2026.

2148
02:43:37,450 --> 02:43:38,610
So moved.

2149
02:43:39,530 --> 02:43:40,170
Seconded.

2150
02:43:40,170 --> 02:43:44,510
within second and in any discussion and anyone like to change an item, edit an item,

2151
02:43:46,830 --> 02:43:47,450
madam clerk.

2152
02:43:47,850 --> 02:43:49,230
Councilman and Barrison.

2153
02:43:49,690 --> 02:43:50,690
Councilwoman François.

2154
02:43:51,270 --> 02:43:51,310
Yes.

2155
02:43:51,310 --> 02:43:52,190
Debbie Mircarasi.

2156
02:43:52,830 --> 02:43:52,850
Yes.

2157
02:43:52,990 --> 02:43:53,590
Mercaramor.

2158
02:43:53,710 --> 02:43:53,970
Yes.

2159
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:54,870
Councilwoman Nudin.

2160
02:43:55,250 --> 02:43:55,630
Yes.

2161
02:43:57,330 --> 02:43:58,530
Councilwoman Nudin.

2162
02:43:58,590 --> 02:43:58,870
Yes.

2163
02:43:59,010 --> 02:43:59,770
Councilman Ryan.

2164
02:44:02,020 --> 02:44:02,860
Time to bathe the bill.

2165
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:11,760
I was warrants in the amount of 33,03 million, 76,000, 8,133 dollars in 10 cents.

2166
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:17,940
And all of this is 11, 2026 represents the sounds of your council for payment to have a motion on the warrants.

2167
02:44:18,620 --> 02:44:18,960
Seconded.

2168
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:26,240
We've been seconded in any discussion, anyone like to question or change or pull out a warrant?

2169
02:44:27,000 --> 02:44:27,540
Madam Clerk.

2170
02:44:27,940 --> 02:44:29,080
Councilman and Barerson.

2171
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:30,960
Councilwoman Francois.

2172
02:44:31,580 --> 02:44:32,540
Deputy Mayor Karazi.

2173
02:44:33,360 --> 02:44:33,740
Mayor Cramer.

2174
02:44:34,040 --> 02:44:34,320
Yes.

2175
02:44:34,500 --> 02:44:35,420
Councilwoman Eugenica.

2176
02:44:35,720 --> 02:44:36,060
Yes.

2177
02:44:36,220 --> 02:44:37,120
Councilwoman Eugenica.

2178
02:44:37,480 --> 02:44:38,540
Councilwoman Wright.

2179
02:44:38,540 --> 02:44:44,680
Councilman Wright Public hearing and adoption of ordinances on second reading.

2180
02:44:45,580 --> 02:44:49,680
We have first readings to announce to the world that we're going to consider an ordinance.

2181
02:44:50,260 --> 02:44:55,940
On second reading we decide whether the past the ordinance or not.

2182
02:44:55,940 --> 02:44:59,980
or in 4515A does.

2183
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:24,040
26, in order in implementing the municipal code of the Councilor for Franklin. County Assembly said State of New Jersey was sending chapter 92, cannabis in its entirety, and replacing it with a new chapter 92, cannabis is presented for public hearing and final discussion. Public hearing has been noticed as required as for unanimous consent to open to the public on this item only.

2184
02:45:24,920 --> 02:45:27,740
without objection, we are open to the public on this side of

2185
02:45:27,740 --> 02:45:28,220
only.

2186
02:45:30,570 --> 02:45:33,190
Seeing no one come forward to ask for your nearest consent to

2187
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:37,790
close to the public without objection, we are close to the public,

2188
02:45:38,170 --> 02:45:43,610
ask motion for a motion to adopt. So, mode. Second, move in second at any

2189
02:45:43,610 --> 02:45:44,130
discussion.

2190
02:45:46,470 --> 02:45:50,490
Adam Plurton. Councillor Bairouston. Yes. Councillor

2191
02:45:50,490 --> 02:45:55,050
woman, friends. Yes. Deputy Mayor Corazee. Yes. Mayor Cramer. Yes. Councillor

2192
02:45:55,690 --> 02:45:56,210
Yes.

2193
02:45:56,430 --> 02:45:57,330
Councilman Singh.

2194
02:45:57,890 --> 02:45:57,910
Yes.

2195
02:45:57,910 --> 02:45:58,750
Councilwoman New Dean.

2196
02:45:59,530 --> 02:46:00,490
Councilman White.

2197
02:46:01,670 --> 02:46:19,690
Order of the number of 45-16-26 in order to implement the Municipal Code of the Township of Franklin County's Somerset State of New Jersey, creating a chapter, creating a new chapter, three-fifteen, short-term rentals, as presented for public hearing and final adoption.

2198
02:46:19,690 --> 02:46:22,570
and public hearing has been noticed as required.

2199
02:46:23,210 --> 02:46:26,410
I asked you in the end of this consent to open to the public on this item only.

2200
02:46:27,850 --> 02:46:29,650
Without objection, we were open to the public.

2201
02:46:33,650 --> 02:46:35,310
Same rules this last time.

2202
02:46:40,290 --> 02:46:42,770
Nelson, underneath a four-joh court officer.

2203
02:46:48,930 --> 02:46:52,410
May your crew member members of the Township Castle,

2204
02:46:53,390 --> 02:46:56,730
I grew support for his noble shot tonight, the regulation,

2205
02:46:56,730 --> 02:47:01,890
and including redistribution and short-run inspection parking in open parts of the limits.

2206
02:47:05,210 --> 02:47:09,390
It locally available, responsible party and strong enforcement against poverty,

2207
02:47:09,550 --> 02:47:10,450
that disturbed the neighborhood.

2208
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:15,630
I'd respect, respectfully, as a council to adopt,

2209
02:47:16,310 --> 02:47:21,770
or now 4,5, 16,26, that's written tonight, but to table final adoption.

2210
02:47:23,130 --> 02:47:30,730
and direct-tonship council to prepare narrowly till a second reverse risk provision.

2211
02:47:31,690 --> 02:47:34,970
And protection for instance, complying operators.

2212
02:47:36,110 --> 02:47:42,330
My concern is that the proposed ordinance goes beyond regulating health for conduct,

2213
02:47:43,690 --> 02:47:47,710
by categorically excluding non-occupant homes.

2214
02:47:47,710 --> 02:47:57,810
The drug totally contains conduct based protection, protections, documented and verified police calls can

2215
02:47:57,810 --> 02:47:59,610
disqualify an applicant.

2216
02:48:01,770 --> 02:48:08,330
Substant sugar, complaints, and repeated excessive vehicle violations can support revocation.

2217
02:48:08,330 --> 02:48:17,090
And a responsible party must be available 24 hours a day and responding to hours.

2218
02:48:17,550 --> 02:48:24,690
Those provisions directly address noise parties, park and safety and level disruptions.

2219
02:48:24,690 --> 02:48:32,510
The request that a man, a man will replace the, replace the transport residents only

2220
02:48:32,510 --> 02:48:41,390
will, with eligible eligibility for both, principal residents and bonafice, I can't rest

2221
02:48:41,390 --> 02:48:49,210
then, bonafice, bonafice, secondary residents, a qualified secondary residents call be limited

2222
02:48:49,210 --> 02:48:56,430
to one property, the owner household required, require evidence of continue personal connection

2223
02:48:56,430 --> 02:49:02,170
to the home and exclude more type property commercial short-term enterprises.

2224
02:49:03,730 --> 02:49:08,350
Every permit will still be renewed annually and remains subject to all safety requirements

2225
02:49:08,350 --> 02:49:13,350
of course, and complaint based on suspicion of the case.

2226
02:49:16,870 --> 02:49:23,550
Please regulate demonstrated harm and remove bad ideas while given responsible home owners

2227
02:49:23,550 --> 02:49:25,390
if they are path to comply.

2228
02:49:26,550 --> 02:49:27,370
It be possible.

2229
02:49:28,430 --> 02:49:33,690
Target that revision would preserve it to our shifts, safety, goals,

2230
02:49:34,170 --> 02:49:36,850
dark, hydrochloric, clear, including compliance,

2231
02:49:37,270 --> 02:49:37,930
and home owners.

2232
02:49:38,750 --> 02:49:39,510
Thank you.

2233
02:49:39,790 --> 02:49:40,370
Thank you.

2234
02:49:42,190 --> 02:49:43,330
Anyone else?

2235
02:49:46,540 --> 02:49:51,240
Seeing no one else coming forward, I asked for an enormous consent to close the public portion

2236
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:55,400
without objection. Discussion?

2237
02:49:56,100 --> 02:49:59,960
Mr. Mayor, I'd actually, it's Mr. Mayor, you know, and I have something to discuss.

2238
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:07,980
Council and reference to this adoption of this ordinance. As some of you on council, I only

2239
02:50:07,980 --> 02:50:17,520
some received, correspondence late yesterday, in the 11th hour, from Airbnb of all places. And Airbnb,

2240
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:29,860
for a number of reasons requested that this ordinance either be modified, table, and modified. Most of

2241
02:50:29,860 --> 02:50:37,880
And in my own humble opinion, specifically related to their ability to profit in Franklin

2242
02:50:37,880 --> 02:50:39,920
Township by short-term rentals.

2243
02:50:41,460 --> 02:50:44,120
And that, as you know, was a discussion.

2244
02:50:44,680 --> 02:50:51,740
This ordinance was discussed at length in committee, and then here in Council on Introduction.

2245
02:50:51,980 --> 02:50:56,240
There were a number of residents of the Township who came and spoke at the introduction.

2246
02:50:56,240 --> 02:51:00,340
several of them are here tonight in the back of our council chambers.

2247
02:51:01,800 --> 02:51:06,540
And I do recognize and apologize that you had to stay so long here tonight.

2248
02:51:07,600 --> 02:51:09,220
But I'm sure you found it interesting.

2249
02:51:11,020 --> 02:51:21,680
But there was one portion of the ordinance that Airbnb has said to us in that letter that they will have difficulty with.

2250
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:29,160
And that was the portion that required online rental service agencies to register with to

2251
02:51:29,160 --> 02:51:35,740
township and notify the township of listings and verify that they're licensed before

2252
02:51:35,740 --> 02:51:37,000
they list them on the website.

2253
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:44,900
And a conversation with Mr. Reino and I think that he can take this further, but we can

2254
02:51:44,900 --> 02:51:49,360
certainly move to adopt this ordinance if you so choose to do it and make an amendment

2255
02:51:49,360 --> 02:51:59,500
But after the fact to modify that one portion of the ordinance, Mr. Mayor, I'm not convinced

2256
02:51:59,500 --> 02:52:13,000
that they're correct, but I think that it's not unusual for Airbnb type businesses.

2257
02:52:13,320 --> 02:52:17,090
Internet businesses that always take the position and nobody can regulate us because we're

2258
02:52:17,090 --> 02:52:21,990
the part of the FCC law.

2259
02:52:22,430 --> 02:52:26,230
We'll take a look at it, but my recommendation was what I told you today.

2260
02:52:26,370 --> 02:52:29,330
Mr. Manager, which is that we should adopt it, we'll take a look at it.

2261
02:52:29,350 --> 02:52:35,150
The ordinance doesn't take effect for 20 days following the adoption and publication and any event.

2262
02:52:35,790 --> 02:52:39,690
Between now and the next meeting, we'll determine whether or not there's some tweak to it,

2263
02:52:41,150 --> 02:52:46,530
but my understanding from my other experiences with Airbnb and other municipalities

2264
02:52:46,530 --> 02:52:53,010
is that they generally abide by these ordinances, and, you know, and the information at

2265
02:52:53,010 --> 02:52:57,830
IRC for my peers through that I contacted regarding this who have ordinances in place

2266
02:52:57,830 --> 02:53:03,610
already have said the same thing to Mr. Aino just said. So, so that's my recommendations

2267
02:53:03,610 --> 02:53:09,720
tonight. Okay. Any other discussion? We need a motion.

2268
02:53:12,750 --> 02:53:14,210
Do we have a motion to adopt?

2269
02:53:16,050 --> 02:53:16,590
Second.

2270
02:53:18,370 --> 02:53:18,630
Second.

2271
02:53:18,630 --> 02:53:18,730
Second.

2272
02:53:18,730 --> 02:53:18,750
Second.

2273
02:53:18,750 --> 02:53:19,110
Then we'll second.

2274
02:53:19,270 --> 02:53:20,190
Any other discussion?

2275
02:53:22,550 --> 02:53:23,190
And the clerk.

2276
02:53:24,690 --> 02:53:25,790
Councilman and Barrison?

2277
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:26,230
Yes.

2278
02:53:26,370 --> 02:53:27,550
Councilwoman, François.

2279
02:53:28,210 --> 02:53:29,770
Stepi, Mayor Carasey.

2280
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:30,350
Mayor Cramer.

2281
02:53:30,710 --> 02:53:30,890
Yes.

2282
02:53:31,050 --> 02:53:32,130
Councilman, on each occasion.

2283
02:53:32,390 --> 02:53:32,590
Yes.

2284
02:53:32,890 --> 02:53:35,290
Councilwoman, who Dean?

2285
02:53:35,970 --> 02:53:36,490
Councilman, right.

2286
02:53:38,070 --> 02:53:39,590
We're in this on first reading.

2287
02:53:39,590 --> 02:53:45,690
ordinance 4, 5, 17, past 26, and ordinance, many in the code of the Township

2288
02:53:45,690 --> 02:53:46,450
Franklin County.

2289
02:53:46,450 --> 02:53:50,770
So we're saying state and New Jersey have more particularly chapter 1, 12, land development

2290
02:53:50,770 --> 02:53:58,130
to make various updates regarding cluster subdivisions as well as related ordinances of

2291
02:53:58,130 --> 02:53:59,190
ordinance updates.

2292
02:53:59,290 --> 02:54:01,810
Before going on, there's a percentage of Township Council for adoption.

2293
02:54:02,270 --> 02:54:06,270
And first, we're posting a publication of accordance with law on hearing and final adoption

2294
02:54:06,270 --> 02:54:13,770
at a meeting at the Township Council of Bielder on Tuesday, September 8, 2026 at 7 p.m.

2295
02:54:14,010 --> 02:54:17,250
in the Council chambers to have a motion to introduce.

2296
02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:20,220
So, vote.

2297
02:54:20,220 --> 02:54:21,120
I can vote.

2298
02:54:21,280 --> 02:54:23,820
We've been seconded.

2299
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:30,080
This is a continuation of updating our master plan and the other discussion.

2300
02:54:33,990 --> 02:54:34,650
Madam Clerk.

2301
02:54:34,650 --> 02:54:36,790
Councilman, yes. Yes.

2302
02:54:37,490 --> 02:54:39,390
Yes. Merchurazi.

2303
02:54:40,290 --> 02:54:41,690
Mayor Kramer. Yes.

2304
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:43,310
Councillor Nani Jaka. Yes.

2305
02:54:43,430 --> 02:54:44,370
Councillor Nesang. Yes.

2306
02:54:44,730 --> 02:54:47,150
Councillor Meneudine and Councillor N Paso Nelo.

2307
02:54:47,830 --> 02:54:48,770
Councillor Narei.

2308
02:54:51,510 --> 02:54:53,310
One, two, three, go.

2309
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:55,790
We still have a quorum. Okay.

2310
02:54:56,290 --> 02:54:56,390
Yes.

2311
02:54:57,950 --> 02:54:59,590
All right.

2312
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:15,620
And it's 4518-26 in order and so authorizing private sale of the township owned lands located at block 173, lots 9, 10, 10, 50, six to 58 Main Street,

2313
02:55:15,620 --> 02:55:31,200
Block 180, lots 1111 through 112, 29 costs at the street, and blocks 95, 20, 168, Churchill Avenue in the Township of Franklin County, some as a state in New Jersey.

2314
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:34,480
Habitat for Humanity, the four growing ordinance

2315
02:55:34,480 --> 02:55:36,280
represents the Township Council for Adoption,

2316
02:55:36,300 --> 02:55:37,380
First Reading and Posting,

2317
02:55:37,500 --> 02:55:38,980
Publication, the Cornets with Law and Hearing,

2318
02:55:39,160 --> 02:55:41,240
and Final Adoption, the Meaning of the Township Council

2319
02:55:41,240 --> 02:55:46,520
is being held on Tuesday, September 8, 2026 at 7 p.m.

2320
02:55:46,540 --> 02:55:47,940
in the Council Chambers.

2321
02:55:48,940 --> 02:55:50,660
Do we have a motion to introduce?

2322
02:55:54,150 --> 02:55:54,650
So move.

2323
02:55:55,950 --> 02:55:57,870
We've been seconded.

2324
02:55:57,870 --> 02:56:02,410
This is donating a plan to Habitat to Habitat.

2325
02:56:02,410 --> 02:56:08,090
Habitat for Humanity. Anyone else? Any other discussion?

2326
02:56:10,980 --> 02:56:11,580
Madam Clerk.

2327
02:56:11,940 --> 02:56:13,140
Councilmember Barrison.

2328
02:56:13,480 --> 02:56:15,200
Yes. Councilwoman Francois. Yes.

2329
02:56:15,340 --> 02:56:16,700
Deputy Mayor Carasi. Yes.

2330
02:56:16,840 --> 02:56:18,140
Mayor Cramer. Yes.

2331
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:19,860
Councilmember Nijaka. Yes.

2332
02:56:21,240 --> 02:56:24,340
Councilwoman Noudine. Councilmember Wright. Yes.

2333
02:56:26,660 --> 02:56:27,840
Concentring gender items.

2334
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:31,040
A through AD is the significant sense of gender portion of this meeting.

2335
02:56:31,040 --> 02:56:35,920
the Council for Adoption to have a motion on the consent agenda.

2336
02:56:36,380 --> 02:56:37,440
So moved.

2337
02:56:37,440 --> 02:56:38,380
Thank you.

2338
02:56:38,480 --> 02:56:39,740
Move down second it.

2339
02:56:40,020 --> 02:56:40,560
Any discussion?

2340
02:56:40,820 --> 02:56:43,840
And I would like to pull an item, question and item.

2341
02:56:44,300 --> 02:56:47,040
Mr. Mayor, I'd just like to make a comment on the consent agenda.

2342
02:56:47,420 --> 02:56:51,620
Some council members may have been expecting to see the award of a contract tonight

2343
02:56:52,180 --> 02:56:55,400
for the construction of a park in the first word,

2344
02:56:56,260 --> 02:57:03,580
the Bids were received last week, and they've been vetted, and the Bid is prepared to be awarded

2345
02:57:03,580 --> 02:57:13,100
however, a funding mechanism needs to be confirmed with our financial consultant and the bond council.

2346
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:22,020
So every expenditure out of the open space trust fund in an excessive amount requires a capital ordinance

2347
02:57:22,020 --> 02:57:28,620
because the amount exceeds the amount of money that we can spend without an ordinance.

2348
02:57:30,340 --> 02:57:34,420
And so we need that since it was so late in the week last week and unfortunately I was

2349
02:57:34,420 --> 02:57:36,720
out for a day for a health reason.

2350
02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:46,500
I have to deal with the decision as to whether to bond or not for the balance of the money's

2351
02:57:46,500 --> 02:57:49,800
necessary to build a park to award the bid.

2352
02:57:49,800 --> 02:57:54,920
You have to have a funding mechanism in place before you can award the bid councilmen, right?

2353
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:56,460
That's what we're talking about.

2354
02:57:56,900 --> 02:58:00,000
So it will be on the meeting the first meeting of September.

2355
02:58:00,640 --> 02:58:02,860
Oh, the reason why I had the chance to go to the office.

2356
02:58:03,820 --> 02:58:03,940
Yeah.

2357
02:58:03,940 --> 02:58:05,220
It's not that big.

2358
02:58:05,720 --> 02:58:10,100
It was somehow another thing I knew.

2359
02:58:11,800 --> 02:58:14,160
But what was going in the park?

2360
02:58:15,240 --> 02:58:19,580
There were two things that the discussion has been what was supposed to be in the park.

2361
02:58:21,420 --> 02:58:24,560
And did we go for that part in total?

2362
02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:27,560
Let's see that.

2363
02:58:27,580 --> 02:58:27,840
Let's see that.

2364
02:58:28,220 --> 02:58:29,120
That's all there.

2365
02:58:29,280 --> 02:58:35,540
I mean, the park has got the basketball courts and tennis courts and cricket pitches and

2366
02:58:35,540 --> 02:58:44,460
pickleball courts and picnic pavilion and the boxy ball is not being included in the

2367
02:58:44,460 --> 02:58:48,280
bid, because including the boxy ball with the retaining wall would, of course,

2368
02:58:48,280 --> 02:58:55,380
us to exceed the threshold for the anticipated cost that was approved.

2369
02:58:55,520 --> 02:58:59,360
Oh, I just wanted to mention that I haven't been the part that I didn't love.

2370
02:59:00,300 --> 02:59:08,940
Regardless of what's in it, I just want to go on to wish we had that in the park because

2371
02:59:08,940 --> 02:59:10,220
I said, go on, my colleagues,

2372
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:16,180
we're supposed to be good stewards and sometimes we miss.

2373
02:59:17,060 --> 02:59:21,820
And I think that one of the things that was an issue with the Bachi ball courts is to be honest

2374
02:59:21,820 --> 02:59:28,500
with a constraint, and that was something that was considered a physical constraint that

2375
02:59:28,500 --> 02:59:30,220
raised the price significant.

2376
02:59:30,460 --> 02:59:31,820
We're in the consent agenda.

2377
02:59:31,980 --> 02:59:35,620
And we are, and I'm giving information why something's not on a consent agenda.

2378
02:59:37,900 --> 02:59:39,920
Any other discussion on consensus?

2379
02:59:40,280 --> 02:59:42,380
Just a question on X and Y.

2380
02:59:42,620 --> 02:59:44,600
X shows it's fact dated.

2381
02:59:45,380 --> 02:59:47,720
Did we not approve it in 2025?

2382
02:59:48,340 --> 02:59:50,060
Are we trying to approve it?

2383
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:51,440
We didn't expect it.

2384
02:59:51,960 --> 02:59:54,400
So we had to do it now.

2385
02:59:57,220 --> 02:59:59,800
They didn't submit the right paperwork.

2386
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:08,980
So it was a change in ownership of summer set recycling, and I think the new owners were under a misunderstanding as to when they submitted their license application.

2387
03:00:10,880 --> 03:00:16,760
So they had to go retroactively so that they could be current with the new license.

2388
03:00:17,300 --> 03:00:18,780
Any other questions?

2389
03:00:20,770 --> 03:00:21,470
I don't work.

2390
03:00:21,470 --> 03:00:23,430
Councilman and Barerson?

2391
03:00:23,430 --> 03:00:23,990
Yes.

2392
03:00:24,070 --> 03:00:25,370
Councilwoman Francois?

2393
03:00:25,490 --> 03:00:25,790
Yes.

2394
03:00:25,990 --> 03:00:26,830
Deputy Mayor Crossey?

2395
03:00:26,890 --> 03:00:27,310
Yes.

2396
03:00:27,310 --> 03:00:27,910
Mayor Cramer?

2397
03:00:28,190 --> 03:00:28,450
Yes.

2398
03:00:28,630 --> 03:00:29,330
Councilman O'Neill.

2399
03:00:30,090 --> 03:00:31,290
Councilwoman O'Neill.

2400
03:00:31,690 --> 03:00:33,110
Councilman O'Neill.

2401
03:00:36,430 --> 03:00:37,630
Presolution 26354.

2402
03:00:38,530 --> 03:00:41,610
Award-bid East Millstone Watermain installation.

2403
03:00:43,770 --> 03:00:45,010
Your way construction.

2404
03:00:45,710 --> 03:00:47,230
Not to exceed a million.

2405
03:00:47,230 --> 03:00:51,450
sixty four thousand nine hundred sixty two dollars

2406
03:00:51,450 --> 03:00:55,230
represents a Council for adoption to have a motion

2407
03:00:57,510 --> 03:01:00,790
we're in second and a discussion

2408
03:01:01,550 --> 03:01:04,290
this is a question what is the sport

2409
03:01:04,290 --> 03:01:09,690
so this will connect the east most on water system to our main water system

2410
03:01:09,690 --> 03:01:14,890
which up until what since it was built back in the 40s or 50s until now

2411
03:01:14,890 --> 03:01:21,890
is a standalone isolated system so it's not looped and it doesn't have the ability to

2412
03:01:21,890 --> 03:01:27,670
be to if it there's a main break and he smells don't they lose water so we're bringing

2413
03:01:27,670 --> 03:01:33,290
the main system to connect and it all is just has to run from settlers to warm and straight

2414
03:01:33,290 --> 03:01:38,570
it just has to go to that distance and it will be connected in total as part of our main

2415
03:01:38,570 --> 03:01:40,570
Thank you.

2416
03:01:41,430 --> 03:01:42,390
Any other discussion?

2417
03:01:44,090 --> 03:01:45,090
In clerk?

2418
03:01:46,310 --> 03:01:47,070
Yes.

2419
03:01:48,710 --> 03:01:48,810
Yes.

2420
03:01:48,810 --> 03:01:49,170
Yes.

2421
03:01:51,550 --> 03:01:52,770
Councillor Nunni Chaka?

2422
03:01:53,630 --> 03:01:53,930
Councillor Nunni Chaka?

2423
03:01:54,730 --> 03:01:55,770
Councilwoman Eugene?

2424
03:01:57,110 --> 03:01:57,350
Yes.

2425
03:01:58,630 --> 03:02:03,230
All business, boards, committees, commissions, or anyone of any nominations?

2426
03:02:03,230 --> 03:02:04,290
During

2427
03:02:08,930 --> 03:02:15,290
non-executive session, resolution 26, 353, authorized executive session, litigation,

2428
03:02:15,690 --> 03:02:16,650
warehouse, evidence-free.

2429
03:02:16,650 --> 03:02:22,130
Freedom's transcode litigation is presented to the Council for adoption, do we have

2430
03:02:22,130 --> 03:02:24,930
a motion to go into executive session?

2431
03:02:24,990 --> 03:02:25,490
So move.

2432
03:02:25,850 --> 03:02:26,210
Second.

2433
03:02:27,430 --> 03:02:29,450
Move in second, any discussion?

2434
03:02:30,510 --> 03:02:31,270
Madam Clerk.

2435
03:02:33,730 --> 03:02:34,550
Councilman embarrassing?

2436
03:02:34,890 --> 03:02:35,210
Yes.

2437
03:02:35,570 --> 03:02:36,530
Councilwoman Francois?

2438
03:02:36,930 --> 03:02:37,050
Yes.

2439
03:02:37,070 --> 03:02:37,910
Deputy Mayor Corasi?

2440
03:02:39,550 --> 03:02:42,370
Yes. Councillor Nunnichaka. Councilman Singh.

2441
03:02:42,870 --> 03:02:45,030
Councilwoman Nadine. Yes. Councilman Mike.

2442
03:02:45,410 --> 03:02:48,670
Yes. So we will be going into executive session.

2443
03:02:49,230 --> 03:02:53,530
And after executive session, there will be no further business conducted

2444
03:02:53,530 --> 03:02:56,670
except the coming out of executive session and

2445
03:02:56,670 --> 03:02:59,230
closing of the adjourning of the meeting.

2446
03:02:59,670 --> 03:03:03,870
So for all intents and perspaces, the meeting is adjourned.

2447
03:03:04,790 --> 03:03:05,550
Be well, Franklin.