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[0:19] This work session, regular meeting of the Township Council is called to order. Madam Clerk.
[0:24] In accordance with the Open Public Meeting Act of the State of New Jersey, adequate notice of this work session,
[0:29] regular meeting of the Franklin Township Council was made as required, indicating that this meeting
[0:34] would take place at the immediate civil building at 7 p.m. on Tuesday, August 11, 2026.
[0:42] We could all stand for the pledge of allegiance and then remain standing for the invocation by Councilman Charles
[0:47] on Ejaka, a pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic
[0:55] for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.
[1:13] In the world.
[1:18] Thank you.
[1:19] If does to be peace in the world, that must be peace in the nations, if does to be peace
[1:25] in the nations, that must be peace in the series.
[1:29] If you have to be pissed in the series, that must be pissed between neighbors.
[1:35] If you have to be pissed between neighbors, that must be pissed in the home.
[1:40] If you have to be pissed in the home, that must be pissed in the heart.
[1:55] Madam Clerk, please call the roll.
[1:58] Councilman embarrassing.
[1:59] Yes.
[1:59] Councilwoman Francois.
[2:02] Deputy Mayor Carasi.
[2:04] Mayor Cramer.
[2:06] Chaka.
[2:06] You know.
[2:07] Councilman Singh.
[2:08] Yes.
[2:09] Councilwoman New Dean.
[2:10] Councilman Vassanella.
[2:13] Councilman Wright.
[2:15] Next item is item number five on the agenda.
[2:17] The agenda can be found up near the clerk, commendations and proclamations.
[2:27] The 36th anniversary of Americans with Disabilities Act, Councilman Singh will be reading
[2:34] that.
[2:34] Is there anyone here to receive that,
[3:05] everyone?
[3:05] I'm going to be doing a proclamation for the 36th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
[3:12] Whereas in July, 2690, President Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act ADA into law.
[3:22] Establishing a comprehensive national mandate to eliminate discrimination against individuals with disabilities.
[3:28] And whereas the ADA has expanded opportunities for Americans with disabilities by reducing barriers,
[3:36] changing perceptions and increasing full participation in community lives, and whereas July 26,
[3:42] 2026 marks the 36th anniversary of the signing of the ADA in occasion for celebration in continued commitment.
[3:51] In various, the full promise of the ADA will be realized only through sustained efforts
[3:57] towards complete ADA compliance and inclusion.
[4:01] In various, the Township of Franklin joins with communities across the nation in reaffirming
[4:07] the principles of equality, accessibility, and inclusion for all residents.
[4:12] And now, therefore, be proclaimed that the Township Council of the Township of Franklin
[4:17] It does here by recognize July 26, 2026 as a 36th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act in the Township of Franklin,
[4:27] and calls upon all residents to recommit to the principles of equality and inclusion embodied in the ADA.
[4:37] And this is on behalf of the mayor and the council.
[4:39] Is there anyone here who would accept the proclamations on behalf, scaring
[4:49] not?
[4:51] Oh, please come in.
[4:54] I love that.
[5:13] I just wanted to say short-growth problems. I just wanted to say on behalf of someone living with disabilities,
[5:35] the American
[5:35] education,
[5:38] and it's just an incredible piece of legislation, and it's great to see that
[5:45] the Township of Franklin recognizes that this is an important anniversary and an important
[5:49] legislation for the people in our town. Thank you.
[6:01] And the next is the 80th anniversary of independence of India Proclamation by
[6:06] Councilman and Barrison.
[6:11] Thank you.
[6:15] Thank you.
[6:16] Thank you.
[6:18] Looking for you.
[6:19] Thank you.
[6:31] Welcome, everyone.
[6:33] I see a C.A. people to celebrate the India's independence.
[6:39] We warmly welcome you all to the Council meeting today.
[6:42] We are going to do a proclamation for 80th anniversary of India's independence.
[6:47] Today, let me give you a quick, maybe a one-to-two-minute history of India's independence.
[6:56] India was ruled by colonists, just like the US was.
[7:00] They came in the mid-17th century.
[7:05] After the models reign in 16th century, they also were an India conquer.
[7:11] So many kingdoms in India was small regions of kings, totally fragmented in the country.
[7:25] So just like our politicians, they fought each other, they didn't support each other.
[7:33] And so British came to trade in India, they divided and conquered the nation.
[7:38] So, fast forward, World War II happened, that the British was weakened,
[7:50] the Indians had
[7:51] a lot of movement within the country led by leaders like Mahadma Gandhi and Vala
[8:03] based on non-violent movements and Satyagraha, which is just sit down, squat in places and refuse to move.
[8:17] So what happened was the British Kingdom eventually came to the realization that they
[8:25] in the 1940s, the indigenous movement got stronger and stronger, eventually a decision was made
[8:36] by the British to leave the country and there was a government general in India at that time
[8:45] large mountain, he engineered the whole declaration of independence in 1947 in August and they chose
[8:56] August 15th day to sign the declaration of independence of the undivided India. So at that
[9:06] time India was one country secular in nature with Pakistan and Bangladesh were not there
[9:13] for at the time. So it was one begin, but British divided the country into two, one for predominantly
[9:23] Muslims, engineered by leaders like Jinna at that time. So Pakistan and India were split
[9:32] in 1947, August 15th. Pakistan actually celebrated that their independence on August 14th,
[9:41] because Mount Badden wanted to be in both the signing ceremony in Pakistan, August 14th, midnight,
[9:49] and then in August 15th is India.
[9:53] So that's the history behind it.
[9:55] the significance of August 15th was that two years
[10:00] Prior to that, Japan surrendered after the World War II, so to commemorate that date, British decided
[10:10] they are surrendering to India on August 15th. So that's a little tidbit behind August 15th date.
[10:17] But anyway, so that's the history in two seconds, two minutes. Now read the proclamation,
[10:24] ordering India day. I'll read half of it then you can read the half councilman.
[10:28] Whereas the township of Franklin recognizes the historic significance of India's independence day August 15, 1947,
[10:37] when the Republic of India achieved independence following its long struggle for freedom,
[10:43] ending more than two centuries of British colonial rule.
[10:46] And whereas India's journey from colonial rule to democratic self-governance continues to inspire people around the world
[10:55] And it's ongoing progress in education, science, healthcare, and economic development reflects the resilience and vision of its people.
[11:05] And whereas August 15th, 2026 marks the 80th anniversary of India's independence, commemorating the founding of the world's largest democracy and honoring the values of freedom, justice and pluralism, it upholds.
[11:20] And whereas the Indian American community
[11:23] contributes significantly to the cultural diversity,
[11:26] educational excellence, and economic vitality
[11:30] of the township of Franklin,
[11:32] and whereas the Indian American community in Franklin
[11:35] township reflects the values of inclusion
[11:38] through its many cultural and religious traditions,
[11:42] including Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Jane,
[11:46] and Buddhist residents.
[11:48] I must also say that Jews, there isn't one of the second oldest Synagogue, is in India.
[11:57] I'm going to give you this.
[12:02] There is India-day observances, including flag-hosting ceremonies
[12:06] and community celebrations will take place throughout New Jersey,
[12:10] and the greater tricet area representing the cultural diversity and vibrancy
[12:14] of the Indian diaspora and various,
[12:17] the shared values of democracy and diversity
[12:19] strong bond between India and the United States and strengthen the relationship between the
[12:25] township of Franklin and its Indian-American residents and now therefore be proclaimed that
[12:31] we, Rahman Brasin and Shabandu Singh, Councilman and Phil Kremer, Mayor of the township of Franklin
[12:39] on behalf of the township of Council, do hereby recognize and proclaim August 15, 2026 as India
[12:46] day. In the township of Franklin and call this observance to the attention of all our residents
[12:52] and public officials to learn, recognize and celebrate the rich cultural heritage, history,
[13:00] and ongoing contributions of the Indian American community to our township, our county,
[13:05] and our nation.
[13:14] That was a great short, brief history lesson from a council around, and I appreciate
[13:23] that. The only thing I will say is, I do want to celebrate and acknowledge the remarkable
[13:29] contributions that Indian Americans have made to our country. And August 15th is not
[13:39] the only time to celebrate our heritage, but it is also time for Indian Americans that
[13:46] resided the United States to think about giving back to our community and I know we have
[13:54] done it and we need to continue to do that service is paramount. If there is anything that
[14:02] any of us should take back today is the ability and the desire to serve our communities. So I would
[14:09] encourage everyone who is here to accept the proclamation to go back and serve. Thank you.
[14:19] So, we have about 15 of the proclamations that we printed.
[14:27] So, I'm just going to leave them here.
[14:29] So, whoever would like a copy, kindly come and take them.
[14:34] So, if you need more, always I can find, get you more, okay?
[14:38] And I want to thank all of you for taking the time to come here and celebrate this day with us.
[14:45] really appreciate that. Just a footnote on August 15th to celebrate our independence day.
[14:53] There's going to be fireworks.
[14:57] Okay, so the fireworks.
[15:00] I'm going to piggyback on Franklin 250 celebrations.
[15:06] So there's going to be a ballgame at the pitcher's stadium on the 15th. So there's going to be a parade and fireworks, not by us.
[15:16] But I'm thinking back, he's found that one, all right?
[15:21] We're happy to share.
[15:23] Thank you, Mayor.
[15:30] It's a tradition in India.
[15:32] Whenever we celebrate a good occasion,
[15:34] we distribute sweets to everybody gathered.
[15:38] So we have some of the audience that they have brought sweets.
[15:42] So we are going to leave it outside, so I think it's not really kind of at a long meeting tonight.
[15:53] So please take one on your way out.
[15:55] It's a good one.
[15:57] Yes, please, yes.
[15:58] Councilman, might I suggest that maybe we leave the proclamations on the table outside in the lobby,
[16:04] maybe Captain Domitor, could you just grab them and maybe put them out there,
[16:08] so that this way they can start the presentation by the police department.
[16:12] So we like to take some pictures, you can do that.
[16:15] We would like to be in the picture.
[16:16] Come on up, though.
[16:18] Councilman, I just want to mention that for the information of the audience, even though
[16:24] India is celebrating the 80th year of independence, but their civilization goes more than 5,000
[16:31] years.
[16:47] So
[16:47] Really
[16:50] Yeah, you're there. Yes
[16:53] Thank you so much. Thank you really. That's good. How are you sir?
[16:59] I sure not. Yes, thank you very much
[17:06] Okay.
[17:08] That one is wonderful.
[17:10] Yeah.
[17:11] Yeah.
[17:12] I'm going to have you to be the rest of the outside of the world.
[17:16] Yeah.
[17:18] Yeah.
[17:19] Yeah.
[17:20] Oh.
[17:21] Oh.
[17:26] Oh.
[17:26] Oh.
[17:32] Can you get a friend?
[17:33] I know.
[17:39] I'm not going to do that.
[17:44] I'm not going to do that.
[18:27] Good to see you.
[18:30] Thank you.
[18:32] Hello.
[18:33] Hey, James.
[18:34] I'm sorry.
[18:35] I got you in the back.
[18:36] Oh.
[18:37] I know you have been lazy.
[18:39] I've been dependent.
[18:43] Hello.
[18:44] How are you doing?
[18:46] I mean, I've been dependent.
[18:49] Nice to see you.
[18:50] Okay.
[18:51] If you're leaving, if you're leaving, please go out into the lobby.
[18:56] If you're leaving, please go out into the lobby.
[19:00] It's going to be up.
[19:21] Please make your way to the lobby.
[19:58] Please go out to the lobby.
[20:14] And if it's someone who closed the lobby doors,
[20:24] okay, we're going to continue the meeting. A little
[20:27] bit different than usual for this meeting is we're taking a little
[20:38] bit unusual for this meeting
[20:39] is we're going to have a presentation before a public discussion.
[20:43] We thought that might inform some people who are here for the flock system, and then we
[20:53] will have our usual public discussion where people can talk about anything to do with government.
[21:03] So the automatic license plate recognition system presentation by our public safety director, Lloyd Fredericks, and a representative of Flock, it's your meeting now.
[21:18] All right, thank you. I'll give you me every one. My name is Lloyd Fredericks on the public safety doctor for Franklin Township, and with me tonight I have Carl Bach, who is with public affairs with Flock.
[21:28] So, for all of you that don't know ALPR stands for Automated Licent Plate Reader.
[21:36] It is a camera that takes a picture of your Licent Plate as you drive by on the street, on a public street.
[21:42] It's solar powered.
[21:44] It's typically on a pole if you see one of these outside.
[21:46] You'll recognize it immediately.
[21:49] It's used for criminal investigations only.
[21:53] It's used for criminal investigations only.
[21:56] It provides us with information in real time and it allows us as a police department and my investigators to solve cases extremely fast.
[22:05] I'm talking about less than out in less than days to hours to minutes.
[22:10] And what I want you all to do is everyone has their opinion, but I want you all to be receptive.
[22:16] I want you to listen.
[22:17] I want you to hear what I'm saying.
[22:19] actively listen to what I'm saying, because I know there's a lot of rumors and a lot
[22:24] of myths out there that are floating around.
[22:36] Sorry, no worries.
[22:39] This is what Flock ALPR's do.
[22:42] They take a point in time, picture of a vehicle traveling on a public road.
[22:46] There's no expectation of privacy on a public road or in public.
[22:51] All right, it captures the make, color, model, and license plate of the rare of the vehicle.
[22:58] That's what the picture of is, and it also is able to see the color of the vehicle.
[23:02] And like I said, we only support criminal investigations, and it keeps a record of every search made by the police officer in Franklin Townshire Police Department, and every police department like I say across the country.
[23:14] I'll speak for my PD.
[23:15] Any time an officer does the search,
[23:19] there's another presentation I'm going to show you,
[23:21] there was a record of that search.
[23:23] They have to put in certain parameters in order to get to that search.
[23:25] If they don't put in those parameters,
[23:27] they will not be able to search.
[23:29] Right? Once it's in there,
[23:31] those parameters can be audited at any time by our ALP coordinator.
[23:35] That's in the police department,
[23:37] the county ALP coordinator and the state ALP coordinator.
[23:41] coordinator will stay police, right?
[23:43] All we have to DCJ, what flock ALPR, what they do not do is use facial recognition.
[23:50] That's a myth.
[23:51] That's out there.
[23:51] Everybody here that's been to the airport, North Airport, facial recognition, all right?
[23:57] It also allows us to search for people, pets and clothing, elderly parents that are missing,
[24:04] we can find.
[24:05] It's imperative that we find them, whether it's 110 degrees outside, or minus 30 degrees
[24:10] outside.
[24:10] The faster we find them to save for they are, right?
[24:14] The system is designed to do that.
[24:17] Connected the, it does not connect the DMV systems or contain any information about the driver of the vehicle.
[24:23] Another myth.
[24:25] You think because we take a picture, we're taking a picture of the driver of the car.
[24:29] It's not.
[24:30] It's taking a picture of the license plate and the car.
[24:34] All right?
[24:36] We do not, our flock does not track a vehicle continuously.
[24:40] The only time that an officer is going to track a vehicle or look for it is during an investigation.
[24:48] That is the only time.
[24:50] No other time.
[24:51] There is no officer that is going to sit in front of a flock platform and just monitor this
[24:57] person for 24 hours.
[25:00] Absolutely not. I don't know who has the time to do that, but I know none of my police officers have the time to do that, because we need to serve the community.
[25:09] I spoke about this just now about the offensive type and drop down. You have to put these parameters in order to search for anything in the block system.
[25:17] And like I said, it's audited, it's always tracked, and I'll get into some other info about that as well.
[25:24] It's built with privacy in mind, that's the big, sticking point for a lot of people.
[25:29] A lot of people think that this system is tracking you consistently.
[25:35] It is not.
[25:37] I can tell you what's tracking you consistently.
[25:39] That's super computed that you keep in your pocket.
[25:42] It's with you all the time.
[25:44] Anything you say it records.
[25:47] That's why when you open up your phone and you're talking about a certain something,
[25:50] you start getting an ad about it.
[25:52] All right?
[25:53] That's called tracking, continuous tracking.
[25:56] But all of you who have nested in your house,
[25:59] Amazon Alexa, Siri.
[26:01] If I say, hey, Siri right now,
[26:03] some of your phones are going to go off,
[26:04] and I've never touched your phone ever in my life.
[26:08] Right?
[26:10] Flock does not do that.
[26:13] All right?
[26:13] There are other ALPR companies in the state of New Jersey
[26:16] as well that track your take pictures
[26:19] of your license plates I should say, right?
[26:21] Everybody who's gone through easy paths, anybody who's gone through a total world.
[26:28] All of those things take pictures of your license plates on a regular basis.
[26:34] All right?
[26:37] The data is owned by Franklin Township.
[26:41] We pay for that data.
[26:43] And I can assure you Franklin Township is not selling your data.
[26:46] We have no interest to sell your data.
[26:49] Okay?
[26:49] And it also, private customers never have to access the government, have access to government
[26:56] data or hot lists.
[26:57] There are some communities in Franklin Township that have their own ALPR accounts, right?
[27:03] They would have to share that information with the PD if something occurred in their area
[27:08] and we needed to investigate, right?
[27:11] They have no access to it, they cannot get it, all right?
[27:14] Floc automatically deletes data after 30 days by default.
[27:21] Floc says they do it, I believe they do it, you have naysayers out here that can say
[27:24] they don't do it, but they don't have any proof.
[27:28] Floc LPR only take images of publicly available information.
[27:33] Anything that's out in public, the camera would take.
[27:36] Like I said, there's no expectation of privacy in public.
[27:39] Supreme Court has ruled that over and over and over and over again.
[27:43] All right, Flock does not have facial recognition.
[27:47] They don't have facial recognition.
[27:50] For it already does, I'm guaranteed.
[27:52] Clear does, I can guarantee you.
[27:55] Flock does not.
[27:57] All data is encrypted in transit and at rest, including and aligned with.
[28:01] There's a ton of things updated.
[28:03] I want to get too deep into because I'll lose some of you.
[28:06] But basically, it's, the data is encrypted.
[28:09] Now, again, if someone has ill intention and air intention is to get into something, they're going to do it.
[28:18] Our job is to mitigate it.
[28:21] Our job is to stop it.
[28:22] Flox job is to stop it.
[28:24] Right?
[28:24] The township's job is to stop it.
[28:28] Right?
[28:28] And we implore those techniques to keep everyone safe and keep our systems safe.
[28:38] Great video.
[28:54] I'm Ashley.
[28:55] I don't stop where it is.
[28:57] You've probably heard of license plate readers and thought surveillance.
[29:02] I understand why it feels that way.
[29:04] But that's not what we built.
[29:06] License plate readers take images.
[29:15] What if I told you that some of the most effective home defense tools don't use a
[29:19] sink?
[29:31] Sorry video not.
[29:32] Not play.
[29:33] All right.
[29:33] We also have a ALPR transparency portal on the police website.
[29:39] On that portal, you can go into the portal, it'll tell you over the last 30 days.
[29:47] How many vehicles were detected in Franklin? How many searches we had done and a number
[29:53] of hot lists? Hot lists is something when something occurs, we take that license plate
[29:58] and we put it into what we call it.
[30:00] What was a hot list, and it'll notify other agencies in our agency whenever that vehicle passes, a
[30:07] flock camera. Again, for investigative purposes, only. Every search requires a registered ID with an offense type,
[30:14] a spoke about that already. Often stipend, user ID is saved in a permanent audit trail. I spoke about that.
[30:20] Flog encourages all agencies to conduct regular auditions, short proper uses, and proactive audit,
[30:25] to flag potential misuses.
[30:29] With that being said, Franklin Township,
[30:32] our PD, the state mandates a yearly audit.
[30:36] We do a quarterly and a random monthly audit.
[30:40] And there's another assistant that just joined our search.
[30:44] I'll explain that to you later on.
[30:48] All right, Mitson Facts.
[30:51] LPR can track people and show police everywhere they go.
[30:55] That's a big myth.
[30:56] The fact is LPR's take point in time, images of the rear of a vehicle on public roadways.
[31:01] They do not continuously track vehicles.
[31:03] Any images not used for an investigation are deleted.
[31:06] Of course, I've constantly found that taking images of public documents, license plates on public
[31:11] roads is not a violation of privacy, which I spoke about.
[31:17] Myth, LPR's violate the Fourth Amendment.
[31:19] A pellet and federal district courts, in at least 14 states, including a 9th and 11th
[31:24] circuits, have upheld the using evidence from licensing plate readers as constitutional
[31:29] without requiring a warrant.
[31:36] So this is just some of the proven impacts through flock partnership.
[31:43] National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they've been able to find over 100
[31:47] and children in cases that have been resolved due to the technology.
[31:52] From NAACP, in a moment when our communities are demanding both public safety and equitable
[31:58] justice, flox safety, LPR technology offers a powerful tool to reduce bias and policing.
[32:05] And in mad, those against wrong driving, we believe that any technology that increases point
[32:09] crash responsiveness and accountability will help to raise awareness and change behaviors
[32:14] to avoid impaired driving.
[32:19] Now,
[32:24] I am going to
[32:30] specifically discuss Frank Township.
[32:39] Does everyone get one of these handouts when they come in?
[32:55] So, a couple of quick stories.
[32:58] In 2022, Frank Township did not have ALPR technology.
[33:03] Some surrounding towns did to be a specific Rutgers University.
[33:09] The date was 2222, all right? You'll never forget that date now. We had a young lady
[33:20] get hit on summer set street. Fatal motor vehicle hit and run. Cartic off. We could not find
[33:27] this car. No way know how we were not finding the car. We searched. We called up the local
[33:33] he's at ALPR's, asked for their assistance, they hotlisted the vehicle.
[33:39] I'm sorry, they were not able to hotlist the vehicle because we did not have a plate.
[33:42] It was alleged that the car had no bumper when it struck this lady.
[33:46] His lady was running over a couple of times.
[33:48] While on some research street, he was at night.
[33:53] Eight weeks down the line, a private tow company driving through a parking lot with an ALPR
[34:03] hits on his vehicle in a parking lot.
[34:05] vehicle comes back stolen, okay? We continue our investigation. Imagine that vehicle
[34:14] up, matching that plate that we found on that stolen vehicle to the flock camera, puts
[34:20] the vehicle in the area, we find our suspect, he's a successfully convicted. That's 2022.
[34:28] So for me that was a pivotal moment in technology, I'm like, wait a minute. So had we had this
[34:33] The second knowledge we would have been to find this person probably in a week, right, or maybe
[34:39] days.
[34:40] Not sure.
[34:41] But, move this in the right direction.
[34:47] Franklin Township moving forward.
[34:49] We have an individual that was missing, elderly male would dementia.
[34:54] He took off in his car driving.
[34:57] His goal was to drive back to his home country.
[35:01] Well, we look for him, we look for him, we couldn't find him. The last thing we had was a flock hit on his license plate going over to Bridgerton, New York City.
[35:12] All right? This man is driving around for a week in his car. Could not find him. Once we got that plate hotlisted, a couple hours later in New York City police officer finds him. Park in the car, sitting on a street in New York City.
[35:31] We've found multiple stolen vehicles, we've solved multiple armed robberies, we've caught
[35:35] serial car burgers, we've caught commercial burglars, we've caught car jackers, we've caught
[35:43] people that have committed home invasions, we've located vehicles involved in shootings,
[35:48] we've located vehicles involved in homicides using our flock system, just taking a picture
[35:56] of that license plate.
[35:59] And again, we monitor so that our officers are not abusing the system.
[36:06] You got to realize that everybody's a human being.
[36:10] Human beings make mistakes.
[36:12] If they're intent on doing something, most of the time they're going to do it.
[36:15] Like I said, we need to catch them, doing it.
[36:19] And officers are not exempt.
[36:21] Some officers do some questionable things.
[36:24] And when they do it, we have to hold them accountable.
[36:27] That audit trail is in place for that reason.
[36:31] For that reason.
[36:39] Frankton Township, as a police department, is committed to utilizing the Flock Safety ALPR
[36:43] System to enhance public safety to turn, solve crimes, and support lawful investigations.
[36:48] The system will be operated in a manner that respects individual privacy, rights,
[36:52] and compliance with apical laws and regulations.
[36:55] Now New Jersey has one of the strictest set of rules governing ALPRs across the nation, and of course I'm going to defend New Jersey and defend Franklin Township, because that's where I work, and that's the community I serve.
[37:09] We talked a little bit about what flock does.
[37:13] I'm going to use some permissible purposes.
[37:15] ALPR shall be using consistent manner to assist the Department of Personnel in accomplishing its mission in homeland security,
[37:21] Suspect Introduction, stolen property, recovery, detection of crime, enforcement of state law and local ordinances, identification of stolen vehicles, stolen license plates,
[37:31] wanted and missing persons, Amber Alert, Silver Alert, Blue Alert, I'm sorry if I'm saying something you don't understand,
[37:38] but Amber Alert, I'm sure we all have heard about it, Silver Alert is usually if someone's missing, and Blue Alert is if an officer is seriously injured or shocked.
[37:49] We sent out a blue alert to try to catch that individual.
[37:52] Crime prevention and other traffic related matters.
[37:55] I gave you an example of the fatal incident we had on 27.
[38:01] prohibited uses.
[38:02] The ALPR system sent out shall not be used for harassment or intimidation of individuals
[38:07] of a group, profiling based on race, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation,
[38:12] or other protected characteristics, personal, non-law enforcement purposes,
[38:17] infringing upon First Amendment rights and New Jersey law strictly prohibits state and local
[38:24] government entities from sharing automated license plate reader data with immigration and
[38:30] custom enforcement or any other agency for civil immigration enforcement.
[38:36] I'm going to say that again, civil immigration enforcement.
[38:41] If it's a criminal war, then that is there.
[38:46] And we will use the data to get that permission.
[38:52] Database access, I spoke about it a little bit, but I'll touch on it again.
[38:56] Whenever a member of the Department of Access is a flock database, a corresponding case number,
[39:01] search reason, and a fence type is required.
[39:06] One word entries in the search reason field are prohibited, again, red flag.
[39:12] data management, data collection.
[39:15] Flock safety cameras captured license plate numbers,
[39:17] vehicle images, metadata, including time date and location.
[39:21] I spoke about this already.
[39:23] That is stored and didn't delete it for 30 days on a rolling basis.
[39:28] The New Jersey Attorney General, the data stored and retained for a
[39:33] period of three years after which data shall be purchased from the
[39:36] agencies, data storage device for system, unless it is associated
[39:40] with an active investigation or pending judicial process in which the case data should be exported
[39:46] from the relevant storage system and retain in the case file. The system is designed to
[39:52] automatically purge on the first day after the third year of retention.
[39:59] Access control.
[40:00] Trial Autotestone Again, our repeat.
[40:02] The date is restricted to authorized personnel, all access is logged and is subject to audit, to ensure compliance with the policy.
[40:10] Data sharing.
[40:11] Data will not be shared with external agencies or third parties without proper legal authorization.
[40:16] Any sharing of data must comply with Apple Lois and departmental procedures.
[40:22] Oversight and accountability, our touched on it.
[40:25] stored ALPR data will be treated as criminal
[40:29] investigatory records within the meaning of NJSA-4718-1,
[40:35] and shall not be shared or provided to any person's entity
[40:38] or government agency other than law enforcement agency unless
[40:41] a subpoena or court order authorized such disclosure.
[40:45] Or unless such disclosure is required by court ruling court rules,
[40:49] government discovery and criminal matters.
[40:52] Any agency receiving a subpoena or court order for the disclosure of ALPR data shall before
[40:58] complying with that subpoena or court order provide noise to the county prosecutor or the
[41:03] director of the vision of criminal justice.
[41:05] So you see these layers.
[41:07] Even if I get a subpoena to release data, I need to go through the county prosecutor's office,
[41:12] county prosecutor's office needs to go through the state ALPR and AG office to release that
[41:19] data.
[41:20] I spoke about the audit annually.
[41:24] Franklin's takes it up a step a little further.
[41:26] We do quarterly and random monthly.
[41:30] And
[41:35] that is in a nutshell,
[41:38] flock and how Franklin Township Police Department
[41:43] uses the flock for criminal investigations.
[41:47] We stand by the fact that we monitor our officers.
[41:52] We stand by the fact that we only use it
[41:54] for an investigatory incident, and we've monitored to make sure that if officer does make
[42:02] a mistake, we hold that officer accountable.
[42:06] I'm sure everybody has seen on internet, clicked on stories, seen stories across the country,
[42:12] with officers who have, in fact, abuse their authority with flock.
[42:18] But I will tell you, they have abuse, they're authority with all the other ALP here companies
[42:22] as well.
[42:22] And if you look them up, you'll probably find out what they did.
[42:27] L-Sag, vigilant,
[42:30] do some more just to keep you informed,
[42:34] plate-recognizer, recourse systems,
[42:37] ax-line,
[42:40] plate-smart technologies,
[42:43] if you just continue to continue to continue to continue.
[42:45] There are lots of ALPR companies out there.
[42:49] There are lots of places that record you as you go,
[42:53] And you don't even know, right?
[42:56] We all been paying easy pass and tolls for the last,
[42:58] I don't know how many years, 30 plus years.
[43:00] Every time you go through that toll booth,
[43:03] that plate is captured.
[43:05] 100% of the time, all this time,
[43:06] you could be doing 120 or 130.
[43:09] It's still going to catch your plate.
[43:11] All right?
[43:12] Like I said, when you go to the airport,
[43:14] I've put a tharden.
[43:17] I was in the airport a couple weeks ago
[43:20] when individual losses is wallet.
[43:22] I just happen to be sitting there, when Port Authority walked up to him, and he'd go,
[43:26] oh, how did he find me?
[43:28] I said, how do you think they found you?
[43:31] They found you on camera.
[43:33] They saw your ID in your wallet, and they just watched you on camera to where you came and sat,
[43:37] and they walked up and gave you your wallet.
[43:40] So, this technology is not new.
[43:42] It's been out since 1976.
[43:45] I want to say.
[43:46] I'm correct.
[43:47] 1976 is when LBR technology started to be fully transparent.
[43:52] in Franklin Township. We've had ALPR technologies since 2010. It used to be on our patrol cars.
[43:59] We drive around into the car and it would just clip the plates and tell us what's going on.
[44:05] Thank you for your attention. Thank you for listening.
[44:09] Would you like something?
[44:12] I don't want to say anything.
[44:13] So, no. What's going to happen is after they're done. The public session is going to happen.
[44:20] You can ask a question during that and after the public session is done, they can answer it.
[44:29] Good.
[44:30] People just add one thing.
[44:31] My name is Carl Bach.
[44:32] I'm a public safety manager for Fox safety.
[44:36] Two things to keep in mind that roughly 70% of crime involved with the vehicle in some way.
[44:41] When a missing person is driving a vehicle, this can be information that's used when minutes and hours make a difference between life and death.
[44:50] July 24, the New Jersey man was in his car, suffering a medical condition, complications with dementia.
[44:56] drove for a 5.5 hours before he made it to Virginia and wrap a panic.
[45:00] We're a sheriff's officer, sheriff's deputy, I was able to locate the vehicle using a flock camera.
[45:07] The gentleman was fine, he was recovered, taken to hospital, he's doing fine.
[45:11] But that's an example of where this technology has been using the real world to reunite someone with their look one.
[45:17] We heard a lot from the director about what flock technology isn't.
[45:22] Just read it, read it a few key things. There's no facial recognition.
[45:26] This is a photograph of the back of a vehicle to capture license plate and vehicle characteristics
[45:31] There's no personal identify information the camera sees the photo
[45:35] It does not know who the driver is. There's no DMV connection
[45:38] That's what the officer's investigation was that would have to lead
[45:41] The agency owns all of their data flocked to that cell data
[45:45] Make that very clear in our contract and our terms and conditions
[45:49] Appreciate the conversation. This is an important one that deals with public safety and privacy
[45:55] And yeah, I'll head back to the director.
[46:04] We can move on.
[46:05] Say that again.
[46:06] We're done.
[46:09] All right.
[46:10] So now what's going to happen is we're going to have public session.
[46:17] I mean, first we'll get it open.
[46:20] So I asked you in the end of this consent to open public session
[46:23] without objection we're open for public session.
[46:27] So because of the number of people here,
[46:30] It's going to be three minutes of person, no yielding of time.
[46:34] No, you can only come up once, please state your name and address.
[46:42] This is a subject that brings out a lot of passion.
[46:47] I hope that everyone will respect each other, not interrupt anyone.
[46:54] If you want to give a little moan or a little chair after someone speaks, that's fine.
[47:00] But we're going to respect each other's rights.
[47:05] As far as I'm concerned, and this is not a requirement
[47:08] that if you make a claim, I personally would like to know the source of that claim.
[47:15] Are you an industry expert?
[47:17] Did you work for Flock?
[47:18] Are you a police expert?
[47:21] That way, I can, and if you have an article that you've read,
[47:25] if you reference it, that way I can look it up,
[47:28] And I can interpret it.
[47:30] That's not a requirement, though.
[47:35] So with that, we will open to public discussion.
[47:44] Anyone wishing to come up, please come up.
[47:46] You can form a line, so we don't have as much time lag
[47:50] between people.
[47:52] Anyone wishing to speak?
[48:03] Go ahead.
[48:04] My name is Chase speaking.
[48:05] I'm like, I don't know, sir, that's what.
[48:08] My name is John Hattrakis. I live at 85 Arlington Avenue in Somerset. I have a few questions
[48:14] on this lock. One of them is said, they can profit from cases specifically in the tech
[48:23] profit based on race religion and other things. That implies that they can profit. That's
[48:30] contrary to what he said. It's a bill profit.
[48:36] That statement says you can profit. Just
[48:38] This is particular categories, you can't profit.
[48:43] Can you respond to that question?
[48:46] Sir, everyone's going to ask and then once everyone's questions are done, then the answers will come.
[48:52] Okay. Another question was,
[48:55] the data was deleted after a couple months,
[49:00] but then there's another data storage for three years.
[49:04] What's the difference between the two data?
[49:08] What else?
[49:11] How come we know about the system when you put it in 22 months ago?
[49:17] I just learned about recently.
[49:20] I mean, was it put out to the public in Franklin?
[49:23] Is the question?
[49:26] Why is it coming up now or not before?
[49:30] And I guess there was an item that said the tow truck had a camera on it.
[49:37] Do we have motor vehicles with the cameras on?
[49:39] It's another question.
[49:44] I guess that's my name is I could think of quickly. Thank you.
[49:48] Thank you.
[49:55] Good evening everyone. Let's leave 3.021 full of cold summer set.
[50:00] I want to thank the council for having this meeting. I do think that we said that given the nature of the cameras, the LPRs, this should have been advertised bigger than a Franklin date.
[50:15] I think that every citizen in Franklin County should give input if they can and if they want. We do have cell phones in our pockets.
[50:29] They are tractors. I'm someone who turns off everything I can. People do have ring doorbells.
[50:36] They have nest. I don't like it. I don't have an expectation of five to see outside my house.
[50:44] I'm wearing a mask. COVID isn't over. I have a compromised immune system. We're not taking care of each other.
[50:57] Whether we have cameras up, that the town I'm understanding has paid over $300,000 for, does that come out of our tax money to the police department?
[51:09] I had, and I'm not calling her out, but just as a real life example, there was a car accident on Franklin and Hamilton, you know, people speed they run the runway light at that corner.
[51:20] And officer, I think she earned it with PTO LEA Lee, bad vibes offer, very bad interaction
[51:28] with her.
[51:30] I realized accidents are, you know, emotions come or whatever.
[51:36] But then I go and look on campaign zeros website of police officers who have abuse power.
[51:42] And she's on there.
[51:44] With complaints, we need to deal with policing, we need to move forward with community policing, we don't need tools, even if they catch one criminal, but compromise us all, it's not worth it, this, I'm sorry sir, it's not enough, it looks like we did it 20 minutes ago.
[52:10] It's this every day in the 23 months, it's not a long time.
[52:15] I think we've got a digital spreadsheet, I'm just, I just think that more of these meetings
[52:22] are needed and we need to open up the conversation and it's going to be contentious,
[52:29] but you know, the courts may have ruled that it's constitutional, but if you're using flock
[52:38] As the main basis for probable cause, you're going to run into something that I realized
[52:42] as a judicial system that's sort of going off the cliff right now, in the end you won't
[52:46] win.
[52:47] We can police without stalking.
[52:52] Thank you.
[53:07] Thank you.
[53:07] I am El Rampador.
[53:09] I'm with SatibaCross.org.
[53:10] I'm here for a message for Governor Cheryl.
[53:15] Cancer patients go to jail for five years for one plan, but we make billions of dollars
[53:21] off the Canada Center Street here in Jersey.
[53:23] patients have been forgotten about. We have no wheelchair access to dispensaries. That's
[53:31] shocking to me. There's no wheelchair access to police stations. That's also shocking.
[53:39] There's no access to post-offices. Why are the disabled forgotten about introducing?
[53:46] We have urban enterprise zones. We're disabled people can't get in to get their tax
[53:51] rates because if you go to an urban enterprise zone, you can get tax breaks, but in these
[53:57] cities where there's urban enterprise zones is usually steps and if you're in a wheelchair
[54:00] if you're a disabled bank, you can't get those same tax breaks, disabled body people
[54:05] actually be a huge lawsuit.
[54:09] The Zoom access that you used to have for 19 months, you don't
[54:12] have anymore. I don't know why you stopped the Zoom access. People used to be able to take
[54:17] from their beds, from their hospital beds, from their wheelchairs, from their homes.
[54:23] And now they can't do it.
[54:24] After 19 months, they can't do it.
[54:25] Why was the Zoom access taken away?
[54:27] I understand you have it online, but people cannot take pork online.
[54:33] And that's the whole point of the Zoom access.
[54:36] Medical cannabis patients have been forgotten about here in New Jersey.
[54:39] We need to go from a share to act to acknowledge that senders' guitarry has been blocking
[54:47] home-grow hearings.
[54:48] Not a vote, but home-grow hearings.
[54:51] Where many black and brown people are now being arrested for home-grow.
[54:54] The new Jim Crow isn't out of Jim Crow.
[54:57] Now black people and brown people are being arrested.
[55:00] Left and right, for growing cannabis, which is supposedly constitutionally legal and
[55:04] majority. When people say to be, why you're protesting, Senator Skutari's office, it's
[55:08] legal. I saw it. I voted on it so we could grow it. I said, no, you can't grow it. You can't
[55:14] grow it. Stop telling people you're growing weed. Because it's illegal, they're going to
[55:18] arrest you. And a lot of people will grow weed in Jersey. People are getting arrested, left
[55:24] and right. Governor Cheryl was quiet about the last arrest. But she knows about them.
[55:30] What are you going to do about this governor Cheryl?
[55:33] Disabled vet's need your help. What are you going to do about it?
[55:37] We need help. We need compassion. We need love and we need affordable cannabis because I can't afford my cannabis
[55:44] I'm broke and I can't afford it. I need to grow my own. I need I need a lot of help
[55:51] I can't afford it. So please help us and I'm I'm in pretty good shape as far as most people. I have an artificial disk I've fusion
[55:58] I'm full of
[55:59] metal in my back
[56:00] and I have cancer level pain that I need a lot of cannabis for oils,
[56:05] tankers, and I can't afford them, and that's my testimony here today.
[56:11] Thank you very much. They shall grow not old as we better let go of old A.C.
[56:15] and I'll leave them to you at the going down at the sun, and in the morning we will remember that. Thank you.
[56:22] Thank you sir.
[56:46] Thank you.
[56:48] I know I lost two minutes, so I'll try to stick.
[56:52] I want to say thank you for this informative presentation as a resident.
[56:56] I appreciate that Franklin PD has been, my name is AJ Hoffman, I live in Franklin Park.
[57:03] Do you need full address?
[57:07] Yes.
[57:08] Okay.
[57:10] Yes.
[57:12] Four, eleven, green, hell, men, or drive, Franklin Park.
[57:15] As a resident, I appreciate Franklin, please, Perman, has better regulation than
[57:19] many jurisdictions that have implemented these ALPR systems.
[57:24] However, we're describing the current state and some ALPR marketing.
[57:29] So I want to be clear, we're not just talking about flock.
[57:31] We're talking about the entire system.
[57:33] We're talking about ALPR readers.
[57:35] And since 2010, I also have been protesting these ALPR readers
[57:39] that have been on cars, sitting in parking lots,
[57:43] sitting in the mall, treating every American driver
[57:46] as if we are a potential criminal.
[57:50] So that's a big problem that I have.
[57:53] I am a software engineer with 30 years experience
[57:55] coding for the web.
[57:56] My top three areas of concern, regards civil rights,
[57:59] secure data handling of personal data and the environmental impact.
[58:05] So the FOX system does violate our rights, guarantee it under the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 4th,
[58:11] 10th amendments.
[58:13] These systems provide a back door for agencies to illegally access information that would ordinarily
[58:17] require a warrant.
[58:19] This is a privately owned system that enables law enforcement personnel to certain event
[58:23] our constitutional protections.
[58:25] The FOX system before it was mass surveillance, threatens our right to free speech, freedom
[58:29] of assembly and free association.
[58:31] These FOX systems violate our right to be free
[58:33] from unreasonable searches and our right to do process.
[58:37] These systems violate the equal protection clause
[58:39] by enabling the police target specific groups.
[58:43] This has a disproportionate impact on marginalized communities
[58:45] such as the LGBTQIA community that I do belong to
[58:49] and our black and brown communities
[58:52] and that we are already experiencing over policing.
[58:55] As Americans, we believe that people are innocent
[58:57] So proving guilty in a court of law, the flock system
[58:59] tags us all as guilty and potential criminals
[59:02] rather than free citizens.
[59:05] The secure handling of personal data,
[59:07] the indiscriminate collection of data
[59:09] creates a juicy target for hackers and other bad actors
[59:11] simultaneously, this is the massive amount of data
[59:13] prevents the efficient analysis of actual threats.
[59:16] The risk of breaches a very real plus.
[59:18] Officers of major restrictions have already been
[59:20] caught misusing the system to stalk and harass women.
[59:23] And when there is a settlement, taxpayers will be on the hook.
[59:26] I did want to mention that the EZPAS system conduit, they had a data breach, and so with all
[59:32] these breaches, this information is already out there.
[59:34] Finally, the environmental impact of these systems cannot be stored.
[59:36] The master railing system requires storage for the massive amount of data and relies on AI to
[59:40] connect the data points.
[59:42] Yes, you have an implement to get, but it's an over-the-airup update, then it's coming, and
[59:45] it's done in other communities.
[59:48] So on the Township, County, and State level, we need to fight this on every level with the
[59:52] LPR systems because we know it just grows. The fox system
[59:57] concert should be kept in the township level and in the township.
[1:00:00] This is a support efforts to cancel Somerset County and state-level contracts.
[1:00:04] Every installed camera should be as good as Somerset County installed on breaking polls for
[1:00:07] cross safety and law enforcement should answer to this.
[1:00:10] If you could sum up, please.
[1:00:13] Thank you.
[1:00:14] Thank you.
[1:00:23] First of all, we owe Super Crew V6 in Bloomfield, Somerset.
[1:00:26] That there are bad actors who may use this technology as a lesser concerned than if the state itself
[1:00:30] becomes a bad actor.
[1:00:32] I invite everyone to look at the New York Times as his article precisely on opposition to these
[1:00:36] cameras at which is, at the center of which is the flock, of course, who is represented here
[1:00:41] today for what I imagine as a PR job.
[1:00:43] The resolution of any criminal matter is good, but the end cannot justify the means in
[1:00:47] all cases, especially when civil liberties are potentially at stake.
[1:00:50] Our crime rate remains relatively low compared to the national average.
[1:00:53] The question is whether their purported benefits justify the continued use of machine-driven
[1:00:57] surveillance, especially in an age where generative AI is advancing at unimaginable rates with
[1:01:01] few guardrails.
[1:01:02] It may be that the courts have stated that these machines do not yet violate the Fourth Amendment,
[1:01:05] But the question is what this infrastructure can be utilized for as AI
[1:01:08] advances, and what the court will say as new situations arise.
[1:01:11] It is one thing for the state to require police who are body
[1:01:13] cameras to record its own actions in the interest of public safety
[1:01:16] and accountability.
[1:01:17] However, it is an altogether different thing for the state to install
[1:01:19] cameras on public property with the express purpose
[1:01:21] of flagging without a warrant, the location of an individual's
[1:01:24] vehicle, especially if this is part of an actually shared network.
[1:01:26] Although this is not continuous tracking,
[1:01:28] it does enable tracking by law enforcement from point
[1:01:30] and time snapshots.
[1:01:31] The easy past comparison is almost laughable,
[1:01:33] because we can voluntarily choose to not use the toll-way or the airport for that matter.
[1:01:37] But if you wish to avoid these cameras, you would need to not use public roads,
[1:01:40] which is untenable in current city planning.
[1:01:42] Again, the worthwhile ended in proving public safety does not justify all means and certainly shouldn't justify continued warrantless machine-driven surveillance by the state,
[1:01:50] to say nothing of the increasingly absurd allocation of public resources to private, for-profit companies,
[1:01:55] versus the investment in public goods like housing and education.
[1:01:58] With any company that deals in data, one must ask the following.
[1:02:00] How much greater is the net value they're getting out of the contract, compared to the value the customer gets, especially if the equipment is rented?
[1:02:06] I would caution against thinking that the only value they get is the price of the contract.
[1:02:09] They are a for-profit company. They are doing this not out of the generosity of their hearts.
[1:02:13] It was said that we own the data because we pay for it.
[1:02:16] If that's the case, it would seem that you're buying the rights to it, and you can only buy something that is not yours to begin with.
[1:02:21] And what will happen if the rental fee increases?
[1:02:23] Can another jurisdiction take over the equipment and use it for its own surveillance goals?
[1:02:27] To think these concerns are exaggerated or alarmists would be too assume a short-sighted perspective that disregards A, the increasing incidence of states surveillance in the US and globally, and B, the simple fact that the most valuable commodity today is our data, and actors good and batter willing to pay a lot of money for it.
[1:02:41] Among other things, the so-called A-I Revolution represents a moment in history of technology, where tech companies, which I would include flock in, now have the capability to troll the data we're creating today at scale, but also to troll the data we've created in the passing of they've stored for decades.
[1:02:53] I lost my spot.
[1:02:55] Ultimately, for their own financial benefit,
[1:02:57] no matter what a sales or PR rep tells you,
[1:02:59] they are not sincerely interested in being a part
[1:03:00] of a community, PR-blood-beating, not with standing.
[1:03:03] They are a for-profit company interested only in their ROI
[1:03:06] and how cameras in our township can expand the cash
[1:03:09] of their surveillance operations,
[1:03:11] which will itself become a part of another sales pitch, et cetera.
[1:03:13] It falls in us to ensure that our values
[1:03:15] are rights in our communities cannot be bought.
[1:03:16] It is unlikely that we can stop the ongoing encroach
[1:03:18] from the state surveillance and big tech into our communities,
[1:03:20] but what we can do is slow them down using legal means.
[1:03:22] I ask the township to either discontinue all contracted flock or at least allowed them to expire without renewal.
[1:03:27] Lastly, I would like to sincerely take the law enforcement office to the service and their sacrifice to our community.
[1:03:39] But even in my name is Gary Primo, 21st of Scott Somerset.
[1:03:44] What gets me about this whole flock thing is the secrecy of it.
[1:03:51] We just suddenly see these black poles on the sidewalk.
[1:03:55] No communication, what this was, no input, no markings on these polls.
[1:04:02] The polls don't say Franklin Township Police Department.
[1:04:05] The polls don't even say flock.
[1:04:08] It's just a black poll that I saw on the street.
[1:04:12] What is that?
[1:04:13] What is that?
[1:04:15] I walked up to it, took a picture, did a Google image search, and that's when I learned
[1:04:19] about flock.
[1:04:20] In my town, I've been in this town for God knows all, I don't know, many years.
[1:04:27] And no one said, hey, we said not this surveillance system to protect you.
[1:04:33] Meanwhile, you have 60,000 hits a month.
[1:04:39] And this, this, this officer, this.
[1:04:46] 60,000 hits in a month, 60,000, you need hits and you have half a page of a rest.
[1:04:56] You have, I think it's 13 or 14 a rest.
[1:05:00] Over two, no, four years. No, no, when you got this 24 months, 23 months, 23 months, 1314 arrests. Everyone is in this system. Every time I go to McDonald's, I pass a flock. Every time I go to the eastern end of JFK, there's a flock. There was recently a flock in the past few weeks, but up on Douglas and Somerset everywhere. And it's not just this town.
[1:05:30] That's what is, we being tracked everywhere we go and y'all are just saying,
[1:05:34] do you being tracked anyway?
[1:05:46] Shnick Davis, 227 Blake Avenue, I have three questions too, which have already been raised.
[1:05:52] Can you clarify what data are kept for 30 days and what data are kept by the AG for three years?
[1:05:57] The individual examples of successful investigations are helpful, but will the department provide aggregate
[1:06:02] and annual data? I don't know if that was on the transparency website or the thing that was mentioned
[1:06:07] like the number of alerts confirm hits, like how are you evaluating that this program is successful or not?
[1:06:13] And then lastly, can you tell us more about the internal auditing process?
[1:06:18] Is it being led by a committee? Is it by an internal committee?
[1:06:21] An external committee? Kind of who's doing that internal oversight and what does that look like?
[1:06:26] Thank you.
[1:06:32] Jim Dawson, at 34, Norwich Place.
[1:06:36] I urge you to say a few times that for I can tell you it will not sell data to other entities.
[1:06:42] That's not what I'm worried about.
[1:06:44] What I'm worried about is that flock is going to sell data to other entities.
[1:06:49] Now, with all due respect, I heard you say flock will not sell to other entities,
[1:06:55] but I disagree with you.
[1:06:58] I have a documentation to back myself up.
[1:07:02] It's an article published by the American Civil Liberties Union last April, April 16th,
[1:07:09] The title is Municipal, like Municipal, beware of the changes in the flux, legal terms if you're using or considering license plate readers.
[1:07:23] And this article gives documentation that last February, six months ago,
[1:07:30] Flock made changes to water contracts with towns and cities to give more power to Flock and take that power away from cities and towns like Franklin.
[1:07:41] So you may think you have power, but you don't.
[1:07:44] Flock has all the power now. They could do whatever they want.
[1:07:52] Control over data.
[1:07:55] The new contract that went into effect last February.
[1:07:58] The previous contract had a statement saying that Flock does not own the data and Flock will not sell data.
[1:08:07] But now with the new contract, that statement has been taken out of the contract.
[1:08:11] That statement is no longer there.
[1:08:14] So Flock can now sell data to third parties, including agencies of the federal government.
[1:08:24] Now, what one more thing in this article, okay, control over data, the new contract grants
[1:08:32] flock the exclusive right to determine and to control the method, the timing, the format,
[1:08:39] and the medium, access to the data that was supposedly belong to the city or town.
[1:08:44] All right, so what that means is, okay, you're the township, okay, you get a data feed from
[1:08:49] flock.
[1:08:49] They get the data before you do.
[1:08:52] You don't even see the data before they have it.
[1:08:55] They give the data to you.
[1:08:57] But you don't know what they're doing to the data before they give it to you.
[1:09:01] So what this new contract says, the fuck?
[1:09:06] Instead of giving you a raw data feed from their cameras,
[1:09:10] they can make copies of it and make alterations,
[1:09:14] or anything they want before they give it to the town.
[1:09:18] Okay. All right. So, again, if you want me to send you e-mail, e-mail, this is what
[1:09:24] you call to you, let me know. It was published by the American civil liberties. You, you,
[1:09:32] you, you, you, you, and thank you. Okay. Okay. Thanks.
[1:09:42] Hello. I'm Jason Rand. I'm at 36 gates road and also 3-5-7 castle place. I just moved
[1:09:49] but they're both in Franklin.
[1:09:52] I had a couple questions that I didn't hear addressed.
[1:09:55] One was, I don't think we actually talked about how much the system is costing.
[1:10:00] The township, and I would love if that was public information and consideration on what other things that money could go to instead.
[1:10:09] I do want to just also say that I applaud that Franklin is requiring more audits than the state requires.
[1:10:15] I think that's great, and I think auditing is super important for this kind of system.
[1:10:20] My background is in doing IT and cybersecurity for small businesses, like lawyers and accounting firms.
[1:10:28] So I had a couple specific questions.
[1:10:32] Specifically, ease, frank internship and forcing multi-factor authentication when accessing the system for all employees.
[1:10:39] Is it tied into single sign-on with the Microsoft 365 that I believe the township uses for your emails?
[1:10:46] If not, I would recommend that that is absolutely implemented two years ago because that should have
[1:10:54] been standard no matter what. That is basic security and my understanding is that is not the default for every
[1:11:01] municipality. So I want to make sure that that is done. You said that you don't know if they're actually deleting the data after 30 days.
[1:11:10] And you are the government, you should probably be requiring somebody to look at the source code and make sure that they actually are.
[1:11:20] Don't just take somebody's word for it, make sure that it actually happens.
[1:11:25] You also said that if a bad actor wants to access the data, they will.
[1:11:31] I think that's a terrible excuse for poor cybersecurity that we could choose to not have it and then that actors wouldn't get their hands on it.
[1:11:40] So, just saying that being able to be broken into is not really acceptable,
[1:11:49] and I wanted to double check that Franklin does not allow Demo access to flock for flock employees to access the data that some other municipalities apparently have given access to, and I think that's worth checking in the contract.
[1:12:07] and maybe requiring multiple officers to sign off on any search that's done to prevent
[1:12:14] a back data after before it needs to be audited would just help leave any ones fears
[1:12:21] of a rogue officer going off and stalking someone.
[1:12:24] Thank you, Rita.
[1:12:25] Excuse me, excuse me, sir.
[1:12:29] I didn't understand the demo access, what did you mean by that?
[1:12:34] There was inter-mic, please.
[1:12:37] Oh, sorry.
[1:12:38] Oh, that.
[1:12:39] There was in Georgia, I believe, a case where a flock employee pulled up a live camera feed from
[1:12:47] a municipality to show another municipality how it works and that kind of things.
[1:12:54] And it showed that flock could just access anyone's camera at any time without proper authorization.
[1:13:01] Thank you.
[1:13:04] Okay, Sanchi, Sharma, A9, Cherrywood Drive.
[1:13:08] I have a paper here with paragraphs and sources that I will give to you later.
[1:13:11] That's okay.
[1:13:13] Okay, so I am particularly concerned about ALPR specifically in this political environment, where terms like crimes, criminals, and terrorists keep changing.
[1:13:22] And I would like to bring attention to the Flock CEO.
[1:13:25] This is quoted from an article from the ACLU.
[1:13:27] Flock CEO attacks motives of people who care about privacy saying they're trying to normalize, lawlessness, and let murderers go free.
[1:13:33] He also apologized for calling Deep Lock Terrace in a different article flock and the law enforcement agencies
[1:13:39] We partner with our under coordinated tackies in the email. It's an ACLU article. I can also find it for you
[1:13:44] I've heard this from a specific channel. I do not like. I do not like these words
[1:13:48] I do not like to be used like this and if Flock CEO is saying that I don't like that. Okay, um, let me see
[1:13:54] So I work in domestic violence like I work for a domestic violence agency and
[1:13:58] And that actors can really, really mess up somebody's life.
[1:14:02] And I know people who are scared because people maybe like their parents work in law enforcement
[1:14:09] and have access to specific resources, I also go to confidential places.
[1:14:15] And yes, it might not actively track where I'm going, but I don't think if you have a pattern
[1:14:20] or where I'm driving every day, different stop lights, it's that hard to track where I am.
[1:14:24] You know, if you look, I'm not saying anyone cares, but I don't like it, and I think the people I work for
[1:14:28] who need confidentiality and safety right now because they're really vulnerable to not like it either.
[1:14:34] Okay, let me move on, sorry, go on speedway.
[1:14:37] Okay, I'm just going to quickly read off a couple of these article pieces I have.
[1:14:43] In March, for instance, an officer resigned from Milwaukee Police Department after
[1:14:46] allegedly using department's network of ALPRs to track its romantic partner in one of the
[1:14:54] For instance, Records Reveal, this is completely different that a Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Texas
[1:15:00] This use block in 2025 to search for the location of a woman purported to have had a self-induced abortion. Even though abortion, the forfeet of liability was legal in states like Washington, Illinois, block cameras in these states were nonetheless enrolled in the hunt for this woman. Please let me know if that is allowed, or is that something you do? Okay. Let me look. Okay.
[1:15:21] Flock, the false positives here, arguably the highest profile contract translation flock came
[1:15:29] when the Los Angeles Police Department decided to renown her new is years-long contract
[1:15:33] with the company, a decision-motivated by a searing internal out of the company's technology.
[1:15:37] The internal out of it found that in just two months, block ALPR's contributed to 161 false
[1:15:41] stolen vehicle alerts, resulting in a false positive rate of 32.3%, okay, I also think this money
[1:15:49] can be put towards poverty, other things that cause crime, instead of us servalancing people.
[1:15:54] Lastly, in my freshman year of college, we had this one guy who really messed up the bathroom
[1:15:59] and this other guy was like, I'm just going to stand outside the bathroom and you know what?
[1:16:02] I was like, that's weird. You can't just police people like that. That's not okay. It's weird.
[1:16:06] This is weird. That's it. Thanks.
[1:16:14] Good evening everyone. Jump up to the white seven Gary court here
[1:16:18] summer set. My first is a non-flock issue. In the driveway of the complex, there is a flag,
[1:16:27] don't tread on the flag, which I recall is a Tea Party flag and it's highly partisan political,
[1:16:33] and I'm wondering why that flag exists in our township in our municipal complex.
[1:16:40] Regarding flag and I don't think three minutes is enough time to cover this, but I just have
[1:16:43] questions. I don't have any statement and my questions are more towards protecting the township
[1:16:47] from any issues and our citizens from issues that are created by this.
[1:16:51] So it does flag, it does flock the company and
[1:16:53] identify the township, should it systems be used in a way that potentially
[1:16:57] opens up the township to litigation.
[1:16:59] That's question number one.
[1:17:01] Question number two, and each of the examples given by the
[1:17:04] public sector director about our release of our privacy information,
[1:17:08] airports, tolls, cell phones, etc.
[1:17:11] There's a warrant requirement required to use that data.
[1:17:14] when our warrants required to use flock data.
[1:17:19] Third, judges have warned in Schmidt versus the City of Norfolk,
[1:17:24] and U.S. versus Elijah Porter, and I can get the site notations for you if necessary,
[1:17:29] that the density of cameras determines whether or not there may be a Fourth Amendment violation.
[1:17:35] So what protections have we put in place to ensure that we don't create a density issue
[1:17:39] and the township or in specific warrants within a township?
[1:17:43] The fourth question, I've seen a case where a motorist was, this is about false positives,
[1:17:50] where a motorist was accused in a hidden run of a pedestrian based on flat camera capture
[1:17:55] of his vehicle when the culprit was actually driving the same making model vehicle past the ALPR
[1:18:02] at approximately the same time.
[1:18:05] So how often are false positives flagged and what are we doing to make sure we can prevent
[1:18:11] false positives?
[1:18:12] And the last question I have is, what would it take for the township to agree to a citizen
[1:18:18] oversight of flock audits?
[1:18:21] Thank you.
[1:18:28] Good evening.
[1:18:30] Lois Kage, 123 Gerard Avenue, so I have to thank YouTube and John Oliver for finding out
[1:18:43] about this whole police surveillance and flock.
[1:18:47] And then thank you to a friend of mine here who now told me about this meeting today.
[1:18:55] And then I hear the questions that came before me about people wondering when this happened,
[1:19:01] how it happened, essentially no information.
[1:19:04] So I'm one of those people who are modifying about this through last week tonight, the algorithm.
[1:19:13] So, I stand here because what I want to know is one, the accountability.
[1:19:22] Who decided that this is appropriate for Franklin Township?
[1:19:26] I'll tell you that I went on the flop website somewhere, and then I found,
[1:19:31] I actually was able to see where these cameras are situated.
[1:19:34] I see them concentrated somewhere on what is that street called Hamilton and Franklin Boulevard and a little outweigh.
[1:19:46] So I don't even know how that was decided. Usually I see this township giving us a lot of information information we need, information we don't need, this information we need that we didn't get.
[1:20:00] I want to know how this information that is supposedly owned by Franklin Township, if it is accessible
[1:20:12] under Opera. And if so, what do we get, what is stored, what can be gotten under Opera.
[1:20:20] And then I want to know also, we hear about metadata, so I want to know the associated
[1:20:26] metadata with this information, that's let us know. And then I do know that a lot of this information
[1:20:35] is going to be related to criminal investigation records and so on and so forth. So I want to
[1:20:42] know if the township is taking a position, whether each and every record is concerns in investigation
[1:20:50] and criminal work, and is therefore exempt from opera.
[1:20:55] And so also as was brought up by someone else before me, are we also storing information
[1:21:02] regarding misreads, information that, you know, if the device or whatever collects also information
[1:21:13] that is not correct, essentially.
[1:21:16] Thank you.
[1:21:22] Hi, my name is Karen Bennett.
[1:21:24] I live at 39 Cedar Brook Drive in Somerset and I wasn't planning to speak tonight, but I wanted
[1:21:30] to stand here in support of everyone that spoke before me, and echo what they said.
[1:21:35] In addition, I've listened to this most noble presentation that was given to us regarding the use
[1:21:41] of these cameras to catch her, you know, a handful of criminals in the occasional wandering
[1:21:46] Alzheimer's patients, and these intentions are indeed noble, but isn't that how the road
[1:21:53] to hell is paved. In addition, I think that having a camera on the corner of JFK in Hamilton,
[1:22:01] which is not a toll-plaza, which is not a near-port. It does not justify the big brother's surveillance
[1:22:06] that we have going here. I see a lot of board faces at the day, so I know what mine
[1:22:12] are already made up, and nothing here is going to change, but I'm telling you for a fact that
[1:22:18] while you may trust your own processes and maybe have a accountability if somebody goes
[1:22:24] off the reservation and starts stalking people, I don't trust flock. I don't believe that
[1:22:30] flock could not be hacked not only by other entities that want to come in, but maybe even
[1:22:35] foreign governments. And I think that this is a very bad idea and you need to rethink it
[1:22:41] or we are all going to pay. Thank you.
[1:22:49] Oh, I'm a minor, so I'm just going to say my name is Zoe and I'm in the right than high school.
[1:22:54] Yes, thank you.
[1:22:56] Now the man?
[1:22:56] There's a man before me that asked how many misuses, how many cases of misuses,
[1:23:01] misuses, misuses, mistakes as this machine made, and how often this is made.
[1:23:04] Well, again, there's an article by the auto wire on the often news that I can read.
[1:23:09] There are two cases in June, 2026 that show less in space that have two numbers smaller than the rest of the numbers in the lesson split,
[1:23:19] therefore a misread and detained for hours before being released.
[1:23:24] Sherwood Arkansas, Governor where in 2026, Cameron misread a digit on an innocent couple's plate and flagged a stolen.
[1:23:32] Officers ordered the couple at a gun point, while there are six week old baby remained alone in the back seat.
[1:23:36] Sherry Woods, Colorado, April 2026, a driver was repeatedly pulled over after officers mistakenly
[1:23:43] you entered his own plate onto a flock hot list instead of a suspects.
[1:23:47] Felicia County, Florida, April 2026, a flock capture led officers to misidentified a driver's
[1:23:54] car as one linked to a fatal accident. He spent 13 days in jail before the era was found.
[1:23:59] Boulder County, Colorado, December 2025, another Colorado driver was repeatedly stopped after
[1:24:05] or own plate was mistakenly added to a hot list.
[1:24:08] San Diego, California, November 25,
[1:24:10] officers searching for a red Alfa Romeo side,
[1:24:13] tied to an attempted car jacking
[1:24:14] relied on Fox vehicle appearance matching,
[1:24:17] which flagged a different red Alfa Romeo five miles
[1:24:19] from the crime scene.
[1:24:21] A passenger, in that car, spent nearly a month
[1:24:23] and jail before the mistake was caught.
[1:24:26] Denver, Colorado, September 25,
[1:24:29] an officer misread a set of flock captures
[1:24:31] and romney attributed a string of thefts
[1:24:33] to an innocent woman.
[1:24:35] Jefferson County, Colorado, August 2025.
[1:24:38] A third Colorado driver was repeatedly pulled over
[1:24:40] after her plate, her plate was mistakenly hotlisted.
[1:24:44] Reddenman, Washington, August 2025.
[1:24:46] A data leaking error connected
[1:24:48] a suspect to be equal to his innocent father,
[1:24:51] leading officers to detain the wrong man.
[1:24:53] Lafayah, India, Indiana, India, July 2024.
[1:24:58] I can't remember this red led to
[1:25:00] Innocent driver being detained at gunpoint. More sown Tennessee June 24, a camera read in OZERO, a OZERO, leading officers to
[1:25:09] detained two grand pairs at gunpoint in front of their three-year-old granddaughter. North Middle Beach,
[1:25:15] South Carolina, May 24. Officers, misidentified of vehicle from an alert, and detained an innocent
[1:25:21] teenager at gunpoint. Toledo, Ohio, April 2024. A camera misread a seven as a two, officer detained
[1:25:29] The driver at gunpoint deployed a police dog against him and held him for several hours.
[1:25:34] York County, South Carolina, February 24, and July 2026.
[1:25:39] And innocent motorists was held at gunpoint in 2024 after a misred character on his plate,
[1:25:43] which the sheriff's office attributed to the tinted plate covered.
[1:25:47] A second York County driver, Stephen Melbourne, is now suing after a similar misred
[1:25:52] of a single letter this year.
[1:25:54] Let's do another gunpoint dog.
[1:25:57] There's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 more on that, more on that specific article.
[1:26:08] Thank you.
[1:26:09] Thank you.
[1:26:15] Michelle Peterson, 66 Wilson Road.
[1:26:18] Whether anyone says these exact words tonight are not, we will be asked to accept this conclusion.
[1:26:24] The benefit to the many outweighs the privacy concerns of the few.
[1:26:27] Flock does not begin with a suspect and monitor that suspect's vehicle.
[1:26:31] It records every vehicle that passes and stores that information.
[1:26:34] So police can search it later.
[1:26:36] The system collects information about every single one of us,
[1:26:39] not just people suspected of committing crimes.
[1:26:42] We're going to be told that the system reads license plates, not people.
[1:26:46] But a license plate is connected to a person with enough cameras.
[1:26:50] These records can reveal whether someone traveled and established a pattern of movement.
[1:26:54] Facial recognition isn't even necessary to learn that someone visited a church, political meeting, medical office, private home, or protest.
[1:27:04] Tonight's officials will not remain in office forever. You guys aren't going to be around forever.
[1:27:09] Police leadership will change. Council members will change. Laws will change. Contracts and company policies will change, and absolutely technology will change.
[1:27:19] Please, Director, are you saying that the
[1:27:21] Flock cameras in place now will never be capable of facial recognition?
[1:27:26] But does not, and cannot is not the same as cannot.
[1:27:31] There's another part of Flock's business that
[1:27:34] Council and residents need to understand, and this is from their website, Mayor.
[1:27:38] In 2024, Flock made a major strategic expansion by acquiring
[1:27:42] AeroDome, a company specializing in automated drone as first responder technology.
[1:27:47] Block is building an integrated platform that can connect license plate readers, cameras, 911 systems, sensors, and aerial observation.
[1:27:57] Its drones can launch automatically stream live video and use thermal imaging, low light technology, and powerful zoom.
[1:28:04] To be clear, I'm not cleaning the frontland as purchasing zones.
[1:28:06] I'm pointing out where this company and its technology can go.
[1:28:10] Flock is not simply selling stationary license plate cameras, it's building a connected system capable of identifying a vehicle and then providing mobile real-time aerial observation.
[1:28:22] Flock says it's drones are intended for emergency response and not general patrol or surveillance, that may be the policy today, but it is not a technical limitation.
[1:28:30] The cameras, databases, and connections accepted today could become the foundation for capabilities
[1:28:35] we are sure we are assured we will never be used tomorrow.
[1:28:40] Everything will be in place though only the rules will have to change.
[1:28:43] If the council continues or expands flock, it will probably be because the immediate public
[1:28:48] safety benefits appear to outweigh the possibility of future surveillance.
[1:28:52] But that's a false choice.
[1:28:53] We can definitely support law enforcement while insisting that public safety technology include
[1:28:59] meaningful limits that cannot be quietly changed by a software setting, corporate policy, or administrative
[1:29:05] decision.
[1:29:08] So, Council, as you listen tonight, do not ask whether Flop can help self-cimes,
[1:29:12] of course it can, and it will ask what power we are creating, who's going to control it, what
[1:29:16] prevents its expansion, and whether we are comfortable doing that power to people who have not yet
[1:29:21] been elected under laws that have not yet been written.
[1:29:31] We'll have then 319 Shilling Draw,
[1:29:33] of Somerset,
[1:29:36] Floc sucks, everybody's talking about it,
[1:29:38] I don't have questions for Floc, who made the decision, next year is a voting year for
[1:29:44] three of you, plus both state assembly people, the state senators up at a couple months
[1:29:50] for real action, all Democrats, all of you, most of the people up here site in ACLU, not from
[1:29:58] my side of the aisle.
[1:30:00] It's your people. I warn you guys a couple years ago, you're overstepped, you're overreaching, you're acting secretive, some of you have forgotten, we put you all there.
[1:30:14] You weren't hired by anyone. Other than us, you answer to us. I agree with the lady a couple minutes ago, your reactions while sitting up there while people are talking, tower.
[1:30:27] looking like that when I talk I get it, I pissed a lot of you off, but some of these people
[1:30:32] I mean goodness, they bring up good points, so even how to IT expert up here.
[1:30:37] If I'm standing on JFK, which connects the clock, and I'm looking at Eastern Avenue, are there
[1:30:43] more of lock cameras to the right or the left? Judging by some of those sounds, they know
[1:30:50] what I'm getting at, because I've heard people mention Hamilton Street, predominantly Black
[1:30:54] Franklin Boulevard, predominantly black and brown, you quoted some accidents that have an
[1:30:58] on summer set street, predominantly black and brown. I'd be willing to bet a year's salary,
[1:31:04] there are more-flot cameras, and the predominantly black and brown neighborhoods in this
[1:31:08] town. Then if you go towards Franklin Park, towards Griggs Town, towards Princeton. So again,
[1:31:18] whose decision was it? Someone has to own this. It's ten of you sitting up there, Councilman
[1:31:22] And I also know the smart enough for whatever reason to not be here for this.
[1:31:27] That man is a genius.
[1:31:32] Daniel sends all of his down streets.
[1:31:34] Smart enough to not be here for this.
[1:31:35] He knew what was coming.
[1:31:37] My guess of what's going to happen is,
[1:31:40] based on you giving us three minutes,
[1:31:42] jumble and hit into the public's action,
[1:31:43] instead of meeting and having an entire,
[1:31:46] entire meeting about this,
[1:31:48] like you guys did for the warehouse,
[1:31:49] because those were your voting constituents,
[1:31:50] and some Mayor Cramer.
[1:31:52] These people aren't.
[1:31:53] Some of you might be if you go to the senior meetings, but that's what you guys care about
[1:31:58] I'm telling you the seniors hate this too as much as people my age people double my age think this is ridiculous
[1:32:05] But again
[1:32:07] How many cameras are they're total in town?
[1:32:09] Where do they sit in town and I'll say one thing about flock first of all just tells you who owns the car doesn't tell you who's actually driving the vehicle
[1:32:17] So the issues that you have seen with flock are them giving in if I let's say for instance a car that I own is
[1:32:24] suspected of being attached to a murder, but my girlfriend is driving it with my baby in the
[1:32:29] back seat, is the police response going to be any different depending on who's driving
[1:32:34] the vehicle.
[1:32:35] It's not.
[1:32:36] It was lives in jeopardy by this.
[1:32:38] It'd be better if you had facial recognition.
[1:32:40] It's all good.
[1:32:40] Honestly, at least you know what you're going to
[1:32:48] do.
[1:32:48] Good evening.
[1:32:49] My name is Gerald Williams.
[1:32:51] I'm at 185 Burn Street in Somerset, and I've been our Franklin resident all of my life.
[1:32:58] And I have a decade of experience and strategic partnerships of a organizational leadership across non-profit, philanthropic and civic institutions.
[1:33:09] Work focused on building trust between institutions and the communities they serve.
[1:33:13] And as I know programs that keep community voice central to decision-making,
[1:33:17] I'm here because how we deploy technology like this should be shaped by the same transparent community-centered process.
[1:33:25] You know, I have no ties to flock or law enforcement, but what I pull out is coming from this actual document, as well as other policy and independent sources.
[1:33:41] So, my two questions come from the policy that we just saw tonight.
[1:33:50] So, it lists two retention periods, 30 days rolling in three years under the C directive,
[1:33:56] which one of those governs us.
[1:33:59] And here's why the reach of the system matters beyond that question.
[1:34:03] You know, we're talking about all these different incidents across the country.
[1:34:07] We talked about May of last year, four or four media reported it, about the Texas deputy
[1:34:14] searching for the female citizen who had an abortion, and then it wasn't even just
[1:34:23] Texas.
[1:34:25] It was reaching into Illinois and Washington states where it is legal for her to receive
[1:34:32] that hair.
[1:34:33] and there was no warrant required portbackers that the electronic frontier foundation later
[1:34:41] obtained showed deputies discussing criminal charges with prosecutors despite officials
[1:34:45] publicly calling it a welfare check. Then we also have information coming from a Christopher
[1:34:51] Newport University study. Using court-unsealed camera locations, they found that license plates
[1:34:57] cameras, concentrate in black, neighborhoods, and nearly four-
[1:35:00] Times the rate of white ones in the region said. And so this system doesn't fail everybody equally, and it's not always by accident.
[1:35:08] I think oversight is truly what matters more than good intentions. The policy for here in Franklin has its own coordinator, sortifying to itself that a spot check found no misuse.
[1:35:21] That same model was used in Daniel Hio,
[1:35:23] and that had its own pretty chic firm confirmed
[1:35:27] and the day in Daily News Independent reported
[1:35:29] that this spring that its network
[1:35:31] had been searched 7,000 times for immigrant enforcement
[1:35:34] against city policy.
[1:35:36] So a public pressure found that,
[1:35:38] and that is not a routine sign-up.
[1:35:42] And so when we're thinking about whatever kind of auditing system
[1:35:45] we're putting in place if we continue to use this,
[1:35:49] It's that it needs to be outside of the department, and I think a full cover report at the township level
[1:35:56] Even for it. Stay by checkbox. Big State to bring this back before it's permanent
[1:36:01] In the center, I'd hold any institution to before asking a community trust it. Thank you
[1:36:10] Good evening, Marcel Castanza 98 Bayberry Drive. I
[1:36:14] Also learned about flock from John Oliver show and I have to tell you that what I saw was incredibly
[1:36:21] disturbing. That being said, four days later, I got the email from tap about this meeting,
[1:36:28] I looked at the map, saw where the flock cameras were in our area. Decided to come to the meeting,
[1:36:36] 20 minutes before I left my house this evening. This tracker sent me an article about another
[1:36:44] technology called signal trace that works in conjunction with the ALPRs and detect signals
[1:36:57] from this and from this. I can only ask and pray that this township is not planning on implementing
[1:37:08] that technology as well. Because if it does, I'll be moving out. Thank you.
[1:37:19] Dr. Van Walker, 15-Cune Street. In summary, it makes all for the
[1:37:23] flag discussion. I just want to ask everyone if it's worth it. And when I say
[1:37:29] that, I have to think about all the entities from what was discussed earlier on.
[1:37:35] The first one is to the council. If this is brought up to a vote and you decide to vote
[1:37:40] whether you're going to have to live your vote, whether you're re-elected or not, like
[1:37:43] next year's re-election, you're whether y'all get in or not.
[1:37:45] This is something that's highly contentious in the community.
[1:37:48] You see how many people are standing up and speaking at comparison to prior meetings.
[1:37:51] So whether you choose to go forward with this or not, sub to y'all, but you've got to live
[1:37:55] with the vote and you've got to live with your next election cycle.
[1:38:00] Second thing is for the police department, they do a lot of great in the community.
[1:38:05] I don't know who came up with the idea, but some of my roots aren't Georgia, I used to live
[1:38:10] Georgia, and I can tell you there's a lot of red necks that go around and knock the hell out
[1:38:13] of these block cameras.
[1:38:14] They don't want them around.
[1:38:16] They, some of the people come up and speak about them, but a lot of people are, they, they
[1:38:20] be about it.
[1:38:21] If they don't want the block cameras in their neighborhood, they simply knock them down.
[1:38:24] They damage them.
[1:38:25] They destroy them.
[1:38:25] They do whatever.
[1:38:26] And it's added, taxpayer funds to replace those.
[1:38:29] So that's why I'm saying, is it worth it?
[1:38:31] There's a political liability.
[1:38:33] There's a financial liability to Franklin Township for having to replace those.
[1:38:38] And I think if you really want voter representation, I say, if anything, you leave it to a referendum.
[1:38:43] If you don't want to vote for it, let the people decide how they want it.
[1:38:46] The next thing is piggybacking off of the prior meeting.
[1:38:51] At the last council meeting in July, I had asked questions concerning Councilman Carl Wright's
[1:38:55] residency before I addressed his response.
[1:38:57] I want to address one point that he made about me first.
[1:39:00] He pointed out that I previously ran against him and suggested that I should have disclosed
[1:39:03] that one I spoke.
[1:39:03] While it's true that Iran against Councilman right in the past, the questions acts were as a resident of Franklin Township and they were acts of elected officials currently living.
[1:39:12] Our participation in our elections has absolutely nothing to do with his own disclosure of his residency.
[1:39:17] My concern is the people's concern.
[1:39:20] Councilman right is an elected official representing the Fourth Ward in M.I.I. as residents of the Fourth Ward are entitled to ask legitimate questions about whether they're elected leaders or satisfying their own residency requires requirements of that office.
[1:39:31] I listen carefully to Councilman Wright's response at the last meeting, and through his
[1:39:35] colorful response, his explanation created more questions than an answer.
[1:39:38] So rather than to be anyone's motives, I respectfully ask Councilman Wright to answer
[1:39:42] a few straight forward questions.
[1:39:44] Is 139th Fuller the place where you currently in order to narrowly live and sleep, a simple
[1:39:48] yes or no will do?
[1:39:49] At the last meeting you said, quote unquote, I was going to tell you where I live, but let's
[1:39:53] just say I can walk there in five minutes and quote, was it referencing the state of Fuller
[1:39:57] we're alluding to another address.
[1:40:00] Number 3 is how frequently do you stay overnight at set address. The last part is you told the public, quote-unquote,
[1:40:06] water pipes broken my house and destroyed everything in my house and I lost the electricity in my house
[1:40:11] because the water rose so it covered the outlets. During that period was 130 not fully legally approved and safer residential occupancy
[1:40:18] and if so, when were the necessary township inspections and approvals completed.
[1:40:23] That concludes my questions and that concludes my time at this podium.
[1:40:34] Linda Powell, 22-Buffer Drive, I didn't come here intending to speak but a friend's been texting me, and wants to know how many cameras there are and how much they cost and if I asked the rest of the text question to take me more than three minutes.
[1:40:48] I did come here to learn a little bit more about flock and the cameras, I know there's all types of surveillance going on in this country.
[1:40:57] Some of it legal, some of it not legal, and in terms of it being a private company,
[1:41:04] we know the main motivating factor of private companies is profit, and if most comes in
[1:41:09] and wants to buy a flock, he'll do it.
[1:41:12] And we've seen what he's done to other companies, including Tesla.
[1:41:18] It's not the intended use that I had concerned about.
[1:41:22] It's the massive potential for abuse in terms of what the woman who spoke before said, you know,
[1:41:32] following people to protest.
[1:41:34] Has to realize that it's not only people who go to the protests that are tracked, it's
[1:41:39] the counter protestors as well, and if they come in and want to call us all terrorists or
[1:41:43] communists, those magas are going to be picked up as terrorists and communists unless they
[1:41:48] can prove otherwise.
[1:41:49] Because anyone who's not a magnet in this day is either a terrorist or a communist.
[1:41:55] I do think that we have to think about how we're putting this technology to use and
[1:42:01] not necessarily trust what's said.
[1:42:03] It looks like the contracts were already changed and our police department in township didn't
[1:42:08] even know about that change in contract, which I didn't know about.
[1:42:12] And if anyone does have an opportunity to look at, he talks really fast, I've trouble understanding
[1:42:18] sometimes fast-speaking people because I have an old brain in this head,
[1:42:24] but look at the HBO
[1:42:25] of John Oliver show.
[1:42:28] There was one thing in particular, there was a family in Texas, a car was stopped.
[1:42:34] The license plate was the right number that Flock had detected, however, and they pulled
[1:42:40] it out.
[1:42:41] There was women and children, there were all dark skinned face down on the black top hand side
[1:42:46] behind their back, but I don't know how long in the hot, hot weather.
[1:42:51] And it ended up that this license plate number will actually belong to a stolen motorcycle
[1:42:57] thousands of miles away.
[1:43:00] So there is, you know, and the other thing is maybe I watched too much TV, the potential
[1:43:04] for hacking into systems for other reasons.
[1:43:08] It's scary.
[1:43:09] Thank you.
[1:43:10] Oh,
[1:43:18] my name is Aaron Conner,
[1:43:20] apologize and very anxious.
[1:43:21] You started off this meeting, asking us to all be open-minded.
[1:43:24] I ask you the same.
[1:43:26] I see a lot of board bases,
[1:43:27] and I find that very disappointing.
[1:43:29] Please respond to your citizens.
[1:43:31] The same as you expect us to listen to you.
[1:43:34] So I'm going to ramble a lot of questions.
[1:43:37] Your address, please.
[1:43:39] Two-one-five north-aith.
[1:43:41] So first, why are flock representatives notified more than residents?
[1:43:45] When this is going to be addressed, do you audit different agencies or only internally do you audit for example other state agencies or federal agencies?
[1:43:55] What percentage of usage is audit?
[1:43:58] If data must be fed to state databases, how can you ensure that no one from a different agency or other part of the state will miss use it?
[1:44:07] Related to that, there is an NJ.com article that showed multiple searches, where the cause for the search was ALPR.
[1:44:14] only ALPR, no other reason.
[1:44:18] So again, how are you ensuring that full sentences are used?
[1:44:20] Is that only internally for Franklin Park or is that overall?
[1:44:25] Because if that is the case, clearly this thought is not sufficient.
[1:44:30] Is the random monthly audit a random month or random days each month?
[1:44:35] That was not very clear. It was just stated randomly.
[1:44:39] can external agencies use this to search for an immigrant on the basis of, for example,
[1:44:46] a minor traffic infraction or other minor criminal offense, thereby bypassing the prohibition
[1:44:53] on civil immigration enforcement being used for being a cause for using ALPRs.
[1:45:00] If it only records the back of vehicles, how does it help find lost pets or people? Is this only going to help in the instance that you know a plate number associated with that pet or person being lost?
[1:45:14] How have you addressed various technological vulnerabilities of ALPRs in particular being flock? There's a Ben Jordan YouTube video as well as I've read multiple articles demonstrating that hackers can easily access this.
[1:45:28] I find it incredibly offensive how it has been dismissed that various departments across this country have abused this, considering that I have friends who have been stalked and are survivors of domestic violence.
[1:45:43] I think that any misuse with this is disgusting and unacceptable.
[1:45:47] And
[1:45:52] I hope that instead you guys can consider the cost to a person's life if they are either the victim of misuse, or if they are wrongfully held at gunpoint or God forbid someone were to be killed by an officer who thought they were part of a violent crime when they were completely innocent.
[1:46:14] So please reconsider working with flock or any ALPR technology.
[1:46:18] Thank you.
[1:46:19] What was your first question?
[1:46:22] The first question?
[1:46:25] Why are flock representatives notified of these meetings more than residents?
[1:46:38] Good evening.
[1:46:38] Can I just ask that before we start the clock
[1:46:40] that I introduce myself as the petition starter.
[1:46:44] Who this council?
[1:46:46] It's who has start the clock.
[1:46:48] I'm sorry.
[1:46:49] I'm sorry.
[1:46:49] We have to start the clock.
[1:46:52] Of course.
[1:46:54] Since flock sent their damage control
[1:46:56] rep to defend their egregiously dishonest company, I will bring attention to the detailed report
[1:47:03] on flock.
[1:47:03] Name and address?
[1:47:04] I sent to each council member today, Frank Ciara, war two.
[1:47:13] The report that I sent, Mayor, came with verified sources at your request.
[1:47:20] There is a high likelihood the Franklin Police Department was manipulated or at least misled
[1:47:26] by flock employees with marketing material containing dishonest statistics, false security promises, and deceitful language concerning system control.
[1:47:40] It's in the report hardware flaws that could give criminals access to Falcon Model OS or physical USB ports that allow hackers to execute malware payload scripts from a USB drive from outside the operating system.
[1:47:56] LAPD found a 33% false positive rate for hot list hits as did other city audits showing
[1:48:04] the report. 161 false hits in two months. Why was there so much, Mr. Flagret? The LAPD
[1:48:14] said they are better off without flock, so are we. What is the false hit rate in Franklin
[1:48:21] township is it also 33% Lloyd? In the report, you will find every documented case of
[1:48:29] flopping a gregously dishonest as a company, and misleading council governments and citizens
[1:48:35] like falsely representing the heat-math feature at a city council meeting or lying about
[1:48:41] a secret pilot program that gives federal agencies access to customer systems. And falsely
[1:48:47] claiming end-to-end encryption when, by definition, the system is not end-to-end encrypted
[1:48:53] if the provider holds the keys to every transaction.
[1:48:59] I have included a flock marketing material in the report.
[1:49:03] To highlight the false advertisements and false promises made to most city councils,
[1:49:09] it's the same report, it's the same slides shown here tonight, just some fixing of the
[1:49:17] which brings me to February 16th. After Flock Secures over 5,000 contracts,
[1:49:23] they decide to change their terms and conditions. A tell-tale behavior of a company that uses
[1:49:28] deceptive, unethical business practices. Removing no sale language from the contract, new
[1:49:34] license language that gives them more control over customer-facing data.
[1:49:41] Added perpetual license
[1:49:42] that gives them the right to use our data even after the contract termination in Franklin Township.
[1:49:47] to feed their AI model. Speaking of their AI model, no language in the contract prohibits
[1:49:53] flock from leveraging their AI model to train other third-party company AI models using knowledge
[1:50:00] 5 from our data. My report highlights how flood users manipulate the traffic and training, please inform
[1:50:07] it, how to mark their product to counsel. The full-time has this cycle, concern, residents.
[1:50:15] Your time has expired. See the overwhelming evidence I gave you, and then, rough lock from Franklin.
[1:50:21] You know what I want to sacrifice privacy for a full-centice security.
[1:50:25] serve from a shady private company your time is expired. Thank you.
[1:50:34] Sir, you already spoke.
[1:50:36] May I not about something unrelated to fly? No. No. No. Okay. I just wanted to complain about
[1:50:41] Ken Jacobs. He seems to know.
[1:50:47] No. I like Alex Rouse 25 has left way. I have no doubt about this
[1:50:54] sincerity. Public safety director Fredericks. He wants to fight crime. But let's keep in mind
[1:51:00] why he's in his particular position that his public safety director, because there was allegations
[1:51:07] certainly a police misconduct, which then spurred Franklin to get rid of the police chief
[1:51:14] post and get a public safety director instead. So that does happen and it did happen here in Franklin.
[1:51:23] In addition, Mr. Fred Brooks is saying there is no right to privacy in public.
[1:51:30] However, if you look up 2018, US Supreme Court, Carpenter V United States, says otherwise,
[1:51:38] that's certainly at the very least there is a gray area and that you have a reasonable expectation.
[1:51:44] Privacy in the whole of your physical movements, including your movements in public.
[1:51:49] That's what that says.
[1:51:49] In addition, Mr. Frederick's had commented about his confidence in the state of New Jersey,
[1:51:56] how they are really on it, protecting us.
[1:52:01] Well, if you look up the license plate reader policy score card, New Jersey gets a
[1:52:06] two out of seven in various measures.
[1:52:12] The best was Connecticut, Oregon, Virginia, and the state of Washington.
[1:52:17] So New Jersey did not score well in that category, so we're waiting for our public officials,
[1:52:25] Senator Michael Testa, down in South Jersey, Republican is planning to introduce something
[1:52:31] for September.
[1:52:32] We're waiting for our Democratic legislature, and of course our governor to act, I guess
[1:52:38] they're not here right now, but we'll be waiting.
[1:52:43] I mean, again, I don't doubt Mr. Frederick's sincerity, but it sounded almost like something
[1:52:50] that Mark Zuckerberg would say about the right to five.
[1:52:53] So you're one of the Silicon Valley billionaires.
[1:52:55] Ultimately, obviously, the police department works for us, okay, not flock, okay.
[1:53:02] And so I trust that you will make the right decision.
[1:53:06] Thank you.
[1:53:12] Good evening, Mayor and Council.
[1:53:13] May I approach?
[1:53:14] I have something for you.
[1:53:15] name in interest. My name is Charlie Cradivill. I live at 143 Cidam Street in New
[1:53:20] Brunswick, May I approach?
[1:53:22] I came here to the clerk, to the clerk, to the clerk, to the clerk.
[1:53:24] Sure.
[1:53:38] And Charlie Cradivill from New Brunswick. I just want to start by saying thank
[1:53:41] you to everybody who came out and spoke tonight. I'm really proud of you all and I think that
[1:53:46] you know, our democracy works because of people like this. So you should listen to them.
[1:53:52] I am here today because of something I saw at your last meeting. I was appalled not only
[1:53:58] to see Councilman call right, call out Jibon Walker
[1:54:02] for bringing up the issues with his residency
[1:54:06] and accuse him of being not transparent,
[1:54:10] but I was also upset to hear some dialogue
[1:54:13] with the Township Manager and the Township Attorney.
[1:54:19] So, first of all, to Councilman right,
[1:54:22] you need to be transparent, you need to be transparent
[1:54:25] about your residency and you need to not treat it as a joke, right? You know, to say things
[1:54:36] like I was going to tell you where I live but let's just say I could walk there in five
[1:54:40] minutes. That's unacceptable especially when you demand every resident to come to this microphone
[1:54:45] give you their address. I want your address.
[1:54:51] What we heard from Mr. Vornlacher before Mr.
[1:54:54] rights outbursts was, quote, based on Daniel's law,
[1:54:58] the disclosure of home addresses of a letter.
[1:55:00] Acted officials is no longer required, and in fact, their home addresses are protected under Daniel's
[1:55:04] law.
[1:55:05] So it would be inappropriate to disclose the councilman's address of it and to say that if he's registered
[1:55:09] to vote in the fourth ward, then he would be arrested in the fourth ward.
[1:55:13] The township attorney agreed with that assessment, but that's not what Daniel's law says.
[1:55:16] Is it? May I raise this as a point of order? Can we confirm whether this is an appropriate
[1:55:21] or inappropriate item to discuss here?
[1:55:26] Point of order? The definition of covered person in
[1:55:29] the Daniels law statutes. Does that include elected officials?
[1:55:33] No, I'm with your questions.
[1:55:36] I raised a point of order.
[1:55:37] You don't have standing to the point of order.
[1:55:40] Okay. Well, I hope you'll hope you'll reach the statute.
[1:55:42] I did give you copies of the relevant portion here.
[1:55:44] I'll read it to you.
[1:55:45] A covered person means active, formally active,
[1:55:47] or retired judicial officer, law enforcement officer,
[1:55:49] or a child protective investigator in the DCPMP
[1:55:53] as those terms are defined by citation.
[1:55:57] So Mr. Wright, not a prosecutor, not a judge.
[1:56:00] not a law enforcement officer, so why can't we talk about his address?
[1:56:07] Were you mistaken about the law?
[1:56:10] If so, that happens, we all make mistakes, but I want to know why everyone who watched the
[1:56:15] last meeting was misled about what the law said.
[1:56:18] And misled in a way to suppress discussion about this matter, where we have a councilman
[1:56:25] who's been accused of violating township ordinances,
[1:56:28] being behind in debt to pay his bills to the township,
[1:56:33] who's been accused of being missing an action,
[1:56:36] limited to brief periods when there's elections.
[1:56:40] And, you know, frankly, his conduct at the last meeting
[1:56:43] was also caused for concern.
[1:56:44] So let's hear it, where does he live?
[1:56:46] Is he eligible or not?
[1:56:47] Let's stop playing games.
[1:56:55] Anyone else wishing to speak?
[1:56:57] Does not have to be about flock, about anything else?
[1:57:00] Yeah, I'll tell you why we were misled by the law firm because this is the worst law firm in New Jersey
[1:57:05] So name and the re-known been cello
[1:57:07] name and then law firm. This is the name and address. Please don't have the I release is the
[1:57:13] name and address
[1:57:15] Unredacted I will be redacting my address and my name and it's the first government and I will not you will not invade my privacy
[1:57:23] I can't believe you
[1:57:24] for her actual address, where she lived, her house number.
[1:57:28] Don't you dare be intimidated by doing that.
[1:57:31] People do not have to share their private sensitive information
[1:57:34] about where they live.
[1:57:35] Although he should, he should all the way on the right.
[1:57:38] He should, I don't trust government.
[1:57:40] I don't trust you, sir.
[1:57:40] You are a director.
[1:57:41] He's a comedian.
[1:57:42] He's a joke to me.
[1:57:43] First off, sir.
[1:57:44] I'm a critic.
[1:57:44] I'm a critic.
[1:57:44] I'm a critic.
[1:57:45] I'm a critic.
[1:57:49] You are being disrespectful.
[1:57:50] Do not cut me off.
[1:57:51] This is my time.
[1:57:52] And what are the legal interests?
[1:57:54] The Cowboys' meetings.
[1:57:55] Didn't we have five minutes?
[1:57:56] Why did it come here in a meal?
[1:57:57] You get two minutes stolen from me.
[1:57:59] Why did you steal from all of us?
[1:58:02] Every person who spoke, you got two minutes stolen from you.
[1:58:05] Why couldn't we have a discussion with the public safety director in the beginning of the meeting?
[1:58:10] Why couldn't we have a conversation up back and forth?
[1:58:13] Also known as a conversation?
[1:58:15] Why?
[1:58:15] This is a, this is a shit show presentation.
[1:58:18] This is why, this is why government looks like it's a clown show.
[1:58:21] This is the worst law from the New Jersey.
[1:58:23] All they do is misrepresent facts to people.
[1:58:26] They are liars, they are all crooks.
[1:58:28] I don't trust any of you people.
[1:58:30] I don't.
[1:58:30] And none of you give your address to these people.
[1:58:32] None of you.
[1:58:33] Nobody should ever give their address to government.
[1:58:36] We cannot be willingly handing over our sensitive information.
[1:58:40] So you're not going to get my name.
[1:58:42] You're not going to get my address.
[1:58:43] And you don't have to like it.
[1:58:46] Look at Ben Franklin on the wall.
[1:58:48] Do you guys remember that quote was that Ben Franklin said?
[1:58:51] I don't know exactly off the top of my head, but if you, what is the quote?
[1:58:58] And I have it.
[1:58:58] It is.
[1:59:00] Uh, ma'am, you may not speak.
[1:59:01] How is she speaking for me?
[1:59:02] No, she may not speak for me.
[1:59:04] Okay, so they don't want you to hear Benjamin Franklin's quote.
[1:59:07] They don't want you to hear his quote.
[1:59:12] They want a shutdown conversation.
[1:59:14] They want a shutdown community involvement.
[1:59:16] They want a shutdown a person who I was willing to let speak
[1:59:19] during a part of my public portion.
[1:59:21] You don't dare you.
[1:59:22] Do not cut me off.
[1:59:23] No, you don't cut me off.
[1:59:25] You are not a water.
[1:59:26] You are out of order, okay?
[1:59:28] I am not listening to you.
[1:59:30] You don't have to listen to me.
[1:59:31] All you have to do is nothing.
[1:59:33] I watch two people up here.
[1:59:34] You have been on the phone.
[1:59:36] The entire goddamn time.
[1:59:38] The entire time.
[1:59:41] Why don't you just at least pretend like you care?
[1:59:43] They stole two minutes from every one of you.
[1:59:45] They stole two minutes from every single person
[1:59:48] because they don't get a shit. What's a quote?
[1:59:52] Sir?
[1:59:55] Those who would give up a central liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve...
[2:00:00] Either Liberty, North Safety, Benjamin Franklin. That's the Franklin I trust. I don't trust this Franklin. I don't trust the public safety director.
[2:00:11] Rumors, rumors, we heard on the Internet. All the things that we heard on the Internet are just rumors.
[2:00:17] Right? You've already gave up all your freedom. Right? You've got to go through easy pass every day.
[2:00:20] We have a lot of very nice advice.
[2:00:22] Right?
[2:00:23] Every time someone cuts you out of your mind.
[2:00:25] I celebrated.
[2:00:27] I celebrated.
[2:00:29] And you guys should too.
[2:00:37] So moving on to the answers to public questions.
[2:00:42] Oh, thank you.
[2:00:44] So I asked you an unanimous consent to close up.
[2:00:46] Is anyone else wish to speak?
[2:00:52] So I asked you an unanimous consent to close public session.
[2:00:57] Without objection, public session is closed.
[2:00:59] We are on to address public comments.
[2:01:02] The only thing not related to Flock was about Mr.
[2:01:06] Right, Mr. Right, would you like to respond?
[2:01:09] Excuse me.
[2:01:11] Would you like to respond?
[2:01:14] Mr. Mayor, are the public safety committee?
[2:01:19] No, we met for an hour earlier.
[2:01:21] So, we're not doing that.
[2:01:23] To comments.
[2:01:24] There was a question raised about you.
[2:01:27] Oh, for the last time, you, you, you promised to lock this, you back there, Mr. Peterson,
[2:01:34] you all were there, Mr. Walker, you all were there, it's public knowledge, look at my
[2:01:41] It actually turns when you my tax revenues look at him.
[2:01:47] Anything you want, one, three, nine, food.
[2:01:52] Some are saying you deserve zero, eight, eight, seven, three.
[2:01:57] Miss Peterson, if you want to come by and not buy my door,
[2:02:01] if you want to take his information,
[2:02:03] if you want to take his information,
[2:02:06] because he's snuck around and took the picture
[2:02:08] of the guy working on my car.
[2:02:10] I left to go eat and get some lunch. I wish you would have stayed. But she didn't.
[2:02:17] I thought you would have stayed but she didn't. But she didn't. So now anybody else wants to know about it.
[2:02:28] Damn it. 1, 3, 9, 4, 3.
[2:02:34] Fantastic. And if you think you're going to shame me by saying something different.
[2:02:41] They're not full of street. You got a tissue with that rub. Come on, five. If you have an issue, come on.
[2:02:50] It's not time for couples, I'll let me.
[2:02:53] Come on. Five.
[2:02:56] But you bring up something on the way you got home.
[2:02:59] Some of just waiting for my hand to say, the last time.
[2:03:02] I'm not going to answer that question any more.
[2:03:05] One thirty nine full of street, David, that's where I live.
[2:03:09] asked the police department, and if you got an issue with it, call the cops, tell them, I don't think this guy
[2:03:16] told us something right, call the cops, they'll show up, they'll show, look at me, one, two, three, four, five, six, every body will show up
[2:03:26] and you know something, and then I'm gonna be serious about this, my grandfather's from the other side kids, my wife, my wife, first generation in America
[2:03:36] And my grandma watches this every other movie. She said the island. And she said to me,
[2:03:45] I'm trying to be like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?
[2:03:49] You know, there's still something that they can't steal. Ain't no doubt it?
[2:03:56] It's just all the way. And I said, they can't steal it. They can't let you to read it.
[2:04:03] So unless you got something worthwhile, I miss walking,
[2:04:13] you come after me every week, every other week, come on down here, every other week.
[2:04:19] I welcome you just, I just want to answer you, but I welcome you.
[2:04:25] So come on down, bro.
[2:04:27] Go and buy a machine car.
[2:04:31] So, are you finished, Mr. Wright?
[2:04:33] Was that, are you coming in?
[2:04:35] Yeah, let's move on, please.
[2:04:37] Yes?
[2:04:39] Okay.
[2:04:41] Mr. Borlaka reminded me there was another question about the Don't Tread on me flag.
[2:04:45] Those flags come from a kit of flags that are flown during the Revolutionary War.
[2:04:52] They, I understand, as time goes on, different flags and symbols pick up other meetings.
[2:05:00] But this is we're trying to replicate what was going on in the revolutionary war, so that that's all that is.
[2:05:11] Not no other meaning behind that. Okay, a lot of questions.
[2:05:20] How do we?
[2:05:28] I can address some of the technical questions and some themes I came up and then hands of the director, that's okay.
[2:05:36] So thanks for the opportunity to clarify.
[2:05:40] The retention period was brought up in a number of times 30 days as a default versus three years.
[2:05:45] The, you know, flock safety's overall default is 30 days, unless state or local ordinance needs something different.
[2:05:55] So Virginia is 21 days and New Jersey is 3 years.
[2:05:58] So the data that's retained is the photo of the exterior of the vehicle, the time date location.
[2:06:06] That's the data, the single photo of that vehicle.
[2:06:09] And according to the Attorney General of the Jersey,
[2:06:13] the retention period for that would be three years.
[2:06:17] Data ownership in the terms were specifically mentioned
[2:06:21] in number of times.
[2:06:22] And just to clarify, we recently amended the contract
[2:06:25] with the township to clarify what's already existing in our terms and services
[2:06:29] that the township owns 100% of the data
[2:06:33] and the flock does not sell data.
[2:06:35] That's also per code of New Jersey.
[2:06:39] The Attorney General says that a vendor, like Flock,
[2:06:41] is not permitted to sell data, but we further clarified
[2:06:45] that in the contract amendment with the township.
[2:06:48] So, let's stop right there.
[2:06:50] We're going to ask the Attorney a question.
[2:06:52] If we have a written contract with the company,
[2:06:55] and they on their website change what they write as the contract,
[2:07:01] or what they write as their terms,
[2:07:03] Which takes press it are our written contract obviously there. Okay, I think you they can't you in a lot of the change the terms of conditions
[2:07:15] God
[2:07:22] Let's have a few more really quick one second
[2:07:26] Let's be respectful if you're not respectful you will be removed. Right and the conversation
[2:07:33] And of conversation, if you're not, if you're not
[2:07:36] respectful, you will be removed.
[2:07:38] You're actually going to work.
[2:07:40] OK.
[2:07:41] I just said it.
[2:07:42] All right.
[2:07:44] All right.
[2:07:44] All right.
[2:07:45] Sir, sir, you do not have standing
[2:07:48] to throw someone out of order.
[2:07:50] He has voice, he has voice, he has speech.
[2:07:53] Let us be personalable with everyone in here.
[2:07:56] And listen, all right?
[2:07:58] You're just not.
[2:07:59] It's not the way it works.
[2:08:01] It's in your eyes.
[2:08:02] I've just got a few more of what they're going to be doing.
[2:08:04] Before you go on, it does say that some data is retained for 30 days.
[2:08:09] Can you say specifically what that data is?
[2:08:12] Yes, it's the three years.
[2:08:13] The data is retained for three years, and that is the snapshot of the photo they shared.
[2:08:19] No, but it also says 30 days.
[2:08:20] So what's the difference between 30 days?
[2:08:22] Three days is the default for the system, except when there's applicable state code or local code.
[2:08:29] has a different retention period.
[2:08:30] So it's really three years and not 30 years.
[2:08:32] In New Jersey, it's three years across the board
[2:08:34] and Connecticut and Virginia, it's 21 days
[2:08:38] because that's what state law requires.
[2:08:40] Thank you.
[2:08:41] Multi-factor, Authentification was brought up.
[2:08:46] That is a mandatory requirement
[2:08:48] for any authorized user to log into the system.
[2:08:52] And we can provide the Amazon Web Service Cloud
[2:08:54] retention document that demonstrates the architecture
[2:08:57] where this data is scheduled for deletion permanently deleted and unrecoverable.
[2:09:06] Cyber security was a common theme.
[2:09:08] That's something that we share.
[2:09:10] We know that in this day of age, we need to be vigilant.
[2:09:13] We have a number of third party auditors that are required to look at our systems.
[2:09:19] Make sure that we're following the security protocols that we sent up.
[2:09:23] Not just one time, but over months to make sure that we're in accordance to this.
[2:09:28] This is to remain compliant with the criminal justice information data that we're collecting, so that's it.
[2:09:35] So that's that's a requirement to pretty seriously.
[2:09:37] We know that we have to be vigilant, so we've gone above and beyond and hired independent third party cyber companies, cyber security companies, they're called ethical hackers.
[2:09:48] Bishop Fox is one of them to aggressively look for vulnerabilities in our software and our hardware to make sure that we are staying ahead of the curve
[2:09:57] It's something that we know we need to stay on top of because of it
[2:10:00] In the sense of nature of this information.
[2:10:04] Two more things real quick. There is no facial recognition
[2:10:06] on these cameras at all. Signal trace was mentioned. I think that's a different company that does
[2:10:13] the Bluetooth signal piece. This is nothing to do with Bluetooth or cell phone information. This
[2:10:20] is just the photo of a exterior vehicle, the back of a car, to look for the plastic metal that's
[2:10:26] traveling on a public roadway.
[2:10:29] And then the audit accountability, we do recommend,
[2:10:32] and think you're following a model policy of regular audits,
[2:10:36] but we recently adopted a new tool that allows
[2:10:39] for real-time auditing for any potential misuse.
[2:10:43] It searches for a regular search patterns.
[2:10:45] For example, if someone were to search the same license plate
[2:10:48] 200 times with 16 different offense types,
[2:10:51] that's probably not legitimate law enforcement activity
[2:10:54] that would be flagged immediately to the administrator of your account, in your office, to further investigate and then determine if there's any misuse, it's unacceptable and this needs to be taken quite seriously.
[2:11:07] I had a question about like number of cameras and grants, I think that's probably best for the director.
[2:11:14] All right, so the number of cameras that we have in town right now are 22.
[2:11:19] This system was paid for by Grant from the state of New Jersey.
[2:11:24] That grant was in the amount of $339,000.
[2:11:28] It was a technology grant to make the community safer.
[2:11:32] There was ALPR's included in that grant and other technology included in that grant.
[2:11:38] So, it was paid for by Grant, not only taxpayers, back.
[2:11:42] It was put out to bid, so it was public information.
[2:11:45] It was placed on our website and several companies did
[2:11:49] bid to get the contract with the township, all right?
[2:11:57] And the resolution was passed here in front of township.
[2:11:59] I'll just add, everything we pass is published in paper.
[2:12:08] Our agendas are published.
[2:12:12] There is no, this wasn't snuck through.
[2:12:18] And if I made you sad also, just for four years, correct?
[2:12:23] Also, someone mentioned about using flock for probably a cause.
[2:12:27] We cannot use flock for probably a cause.
[2:12:31] We cannot do that.
[2:12:39] A testament that keeps coming up is everyone keeps repeating that we are
[2:12:43] Surveilling that are reiterate.
[2:12:46] We are not Surveilling you.
[2:12:48] I'm not looking at your license plate.
[2:12:50] I'm not looking at your license plate.
[2:12:52] I'm not looking at your license plate.
[2:12:53] If you do commit a crime or an infraction where the police officers have to look at your license plate,
[2:13:00] then yes, we are going to look at your license plate.
[2:13:03] It's that simple.
[2:13:04] We are not tracking.
[2:13:05] No interest in tracking, not at all.
[2:13:08] We spoke about the audit he touched on audit a bit.
[2:13:11] I'll touch on it again.
[2:13:12] It was a little bit of confusion.
[2:13:14] The state requires an audit every year.
[2:13:18] By attorney general guideline, Franklin Township has taken it a step further.
[2:13:22] we ordered quarterly and we ordered monthly.
[2:13:26] That monthly audit is random.
[2:13:29] No officer knows when it comes, when it's coming.
[2:13:32] At any point, the county prosecutor can order us.
[2:13:35] At any point, the state ALP coordinator can order us, right?
[2:13:40] And we cannot refuse that audit if something is found
[2:13:44] inappropriately, that officer will be dealt with.
[2:13:47] Again, we are all human beings.
[2:13:49] Some human beings make mistakes.
[2:13:52] So when the order is performed, is it one person performing the order to say a L.B. coordinator for the police department is the only person that performs the order and then sends it to the county then to the state
[2:14:05] They ordered they ordered the system
[2:14:08] They ordered the system right they ordered the system and that order is then ordered it by the county and then ordered it again by the state
[2:14:17] Right and direct there what happens with that order report what does this state do with that order that order report is published
[2:14:24] It is published, and it's published annually.
[2:14:28] So you will see the PDs that have officers that make those mistakes.
[2:14:33] It's not hidden.
[2:14:35] It's not hidden.
[2:14:39] I'm sorry.
[2:14:40] No, I'm sorry.
[2:14:41] No, I'm sorry.
[2:14:42] You can't speak now.
[2:14:44] And someone, I think someone asked about deletion.
[2:14:48] That's why Amazon Web Services, AWS, if I'm not correct.
[2:14:53] Someone, I talked about, um,
[2:15:00] The business of IT and me making an excuse about mistakes. I'm not making an excuse about mistakes. What I'm telling you is reality. I am in law enforcement.
[2:15:11] Right? I see the reality. I'm telling you the reality. Not what it might be, or what it may be, of what happens. And when I say someone with alien tensions is going to try to do something to further whatever it is they're trying to do, they are going to try it. Someone spoke about domestic violence.
[2:15:28] And we can talk about TR rules, temporary restraining orders, right?
[2:15:36] Your NDV, when it is ever stopped somebody that's intending, intends to potentially
[2:15:41] going to go and hurt that other person, yes, who stops them, the police.
[2:15:48] That's who stops them, right?
[2:15:51] So think about that.
[2:15:53] Now, a lot of you gave examples of all of these things that went on around the country with
[2:15:57] as far as misbehavior with cops, the difference in New Jersey is professionals and training.
[2:16:05] I did not hear one example in New Jersey of a breach or any other example you gave about
[2:16:13] flock. Not one, you know why? Because we are held to such a high standard, right? Now, I'm sure
[2:16:21] You all have seen the AG's publication, not sure if you do or didn't, but the AG publishes
[2:16:28] yearly misbehavior by police officers.
[2:16:31] There's an entire packet that comes out every year, full transparency, right?
[2:16:36] It's not hidden.
[2:16:37] We know that some people make mistakes.
[2:16:41] Someone mentioned about cameras only being in the black and brown community.
[2:16:46] Well, I can clearly tell you that all the cameras are not in black and brown communities,
[2:16:50] and are not disproportionately put in those communities.
[2:16:54] They are strategically placed around the town
[2:16:56] from New Brunswick to Princeton, to Piscataway,
[2:17:00] to Southboundbrook.
[2:17:02] All right, I'm one in the agency,
[2:17:04] and I'm not going to run the agency with bias.
[2:17:08] I'm going to be fair.
[2:17:10] Anyone that knows me, I will talk it out,
[2:17:12] we will talk it out, I will listen,
[2:17:14] until we all get it right.
[2:17:17] And who decides where the cameras go?
[2:17:19] The cameras are decided on entry and exit ports from the town and then data from our statistics.
[2:17:26] But who would?
[2:17:28] Ultimately, I'll command staff myself and the captain's and will tenets.
[2:17:33] So the council has nothing to do with it.
[2:17:34] The council does not have anything to do with it.
[2:17:37] So Director, just to want to just to re-emphasize,
[2:17:40] Are you aware of any misuse of the APL-ALPR system in the Franklin PD?
[2:17:50] No, sir.
[2:17:51] Absolutely not.
[2:17:53] Director, where are the locations for these?
[2:17:54] Are you able to share that or that's sensitive?
[2:17:56] I will not share that sensitive information.
[2:17:59] It's strategic.
[2:18:00] Everyone has seen the pictures of the cameras.
[2:18:04] They're not hidden.
[2:18:06] They're not like hidden in trees or, you know, they're out there.
[2:18:09] you can see them. And once you see one, you notice them. I see them all around, all around
[2:18:14] the Jersey.
[2:18:21] Zurich, can you also mention who from the police department have access to that data?
[2:18:28] Access to the data are sergeants and above, sergeants lieutenant's captains and the command staff.
[2:18:34] Lieutenant says well.
[2:18:38] Citizen oversight, so once spoke about that for a flock ordered, what you have to understand
[2:18:42] is, again, connecting two warrants, so I'm going to ask about warrants to get flock data.
[2:18:50] And at hand out that I handed out to everyone, stored ARD data shall be treated as criminal
[2:18:56] investigatory records.
[2:18:57] That is the rule in New Jersey.
[2:19:00] So you're not getting that information, don't overrequest, it's an investigatory record, right?
[2:19:06] I don't know if anybody here has been involved in any type of victim, right?
[2:19:10] Victims have rights.
[2:19:11] You don't get to see what happened to the victims.
[2:19:15] Someone mentioned that I only came in with a certain number of incidents.
[2:19:19] If I came in here with all the incidents from flock, I would still be talking.
[2:19:23] From this morning.
[2:19:25] Okay?
[2:19:26] I would still be talking.
[2:19:28] And judging by the looks of your faces,
[2:19:30] I don't think you want to hear all of that, but I gave you highlights.
[2:19:33] I gave you highlights.
[2:19:36] Again.
[2:19:38] criminal investigatory records. Some of these entities are still going on. I'm not at
[2:19:43] liberty to release it. Anyone who's been in the system, anyone who knows
[2:19:48] other operates, will understand.
[2:19:52] I don't know if I missed anything else. Are you able to
[2:19:54] answer about single multi-fat? Yes, he already answered that he answered. What about?
[2:20:00] They keep talking about false positive flags. How are we doing that?
[2:20:04] False positive flags, he can answer, but I can I can attest to probably in the beginning, like any
[2:20:10] system it's learning. And when I say professionalism in New Jersey, the officer has a duty to
[2:20:16] vet the information before they make a move. Okay? All kind of examples. He pulled a gun. He did this.
[2:20:23] He did that. That's probably training. We're trained very well in New Jersey.
[2:20:28] Okay, I did not hear an example and if you find one, let me know, all right, posted, do everything
[2:20:35] that you're doing right now, but I can almost guarantee you, in New Jersey an officer that
[2:20:40] does something like that, probably will not have a job and it's going to be swift and accountability
[2:20:46] will be done, I mean, it's not like we're going to play a game, it's not 20 years ago, that's
[2:20:51] not how it goes, especially here in Franklin Township, especially here in New Jersey, all right,
[2:20:56] I can tell you that as your public safety director,
[2:20:59] if one of my officers makes a mistake,
[2:21:01] they're held accountable.
[2:21:02] If it's a courageous enough for them to be removed
[2:21:04] from the police department, they are removed
[2:21:06] from the police department.
[2:21:10] Any citizen complaint that you have regarding ALPR
[2:21:13] doesn't even come to me.
[2:21:14] It passes me and goes to the county into the state.
[2:21:19] They take that away from us.
[2:21:20] I'm not even allowed to investigate it.
[2:21:23] It goes to the next level.
[2:21:24] That's how serious they are about this ALPR information in the state of New Jersey
[2:21:32] Anything else that was missed?
[2:21:34] I do have a question for the plot forever. There was a question that was asked about getting the output
[2:21:41] from the flux systems of the cameras and feeding it into a AI system
[2:21:46] in terms of what the roadmap is and what the art of the possible can you respond to how we are using AI to the data
[2:21:53] that's been collected.
[2:21:55] Yeah, so that's a good question.
[2:21:57] We do use machine learning to determine
[2:21:59] the characteristics of the vehicle, and that's it.
[2:22:02] So we look at the make model color, the alphanumer,
[2:22:07] the characters on the license plate.
[2:22:09] And we used a historic data in real life to determine,
[2:22:14] to train the cameras recognize what a E looks like in low light,
[2:22:18] what the new Cybertruck rear end looks like,
[2:22:22] so that the camera can learn to, for a more accurate reading.
[2:22:28] That's how we use machine learning in AI.
[2:22:31] I would like to.
[2:22:32] Do you have a demo access?
[2:22:37] There's a question about demo access.
[2:22:39] Somebody said that I guess your company, when there's someplace else in the demo,
[2:22:43] that they pull up a camera.
[2:22:44] I think that was the question that they pull up a camera in Franklin.
[2:22:47] There's no agreement for a demo access with the downgrip.
[2:22:50] That would be a separate, a separate contract you'd have to sign to give express permission.
[2:22:56] And I will say that.
[2:22:57] So you're saying that you're sorry everybody in the sense of specifically when you're trying to sell this system to the city of Newark.
[2:23:04] You can't say, well look for instance, here's a camera that's on Hamilton Street and Franklin.
[2:23:10] Look what I can see and you access it on your computer. You can't do that.
[2:23:13] We cannot do that.
[2:23:14] We would have to be given to not have the capabilities or you just are not allowed to do it based upon our contract.
[2:23:19] We're not allowed to do it, we have no right to access the data that's owned by you, and every
[2:23:25] you can answer my question though.
[2:23:27] We're not permitted to do it because you do not permit to do it.
[2:23:30] You can't answer the contractual.
[2:23:32] Are you technically capable of doing it?
[2:23:35] Because you're terrific in your here tonight, but you have a 25 year old salesman
[2:23:40] who's out there trying to make a commission and he's showing off.
[2:23:45] That's the question in the public's question.
[2:23:47] do you have, and if you do, is there a way that we can end that access?
[2:23:52] If we were to make a search on your account without your permission, that would show up in your audit.
[2:23:58] There's no way to make a search without an unedible audit record saying,
[2:24:04] this is the person who logged in, this is the case that they were running, this is the fence count,
[2:24:11] this is the time, this is the camera that would search, so that would show in any audit.
[2:24:15] So, so that your answer to my question, you, you have the capabilities of doing it.
[2:24:19] The question is, is there a way that we can block that capability?
[2:24:22] We would be in violation of our contract, so you're not answering my question.
[2:24:27] Would you be able to stop your ability to do it?
[2:24:30] Do you want to do it?
[2:24:31] Sir, I didn't ask you.
[2:24:33] Please stop.
[2:24:34] Sir, stop.
[2:24:36] Would you be able to stop flocks ability to access our cameras to show it to another town as a demo?
[2:24:45] By contract? No. By technology. I would have to confirm. I believe that to be the case.
[2:24:51] I feel like the way we access it a permitted demo structure is a completely different architecture
[2:24:58] that's the question you would use.
[2:25:04] You had a question? Yeah, there was a question about the cost of taxpayers. So we heard that we have this grant for four years.
[2:25:13] And what's going to happen after four years? That'll be up to you. I don't think that the director can answer that question councilman.
[2:25:21] So the answer is, that'll be up to the governing body to decide if they want to award another contract.
[2:25:26] correct I am just asking what will be the cost so we cannot do so I think that that will be
[2:25:30] they're going right out what they charge in two years don't know that yeah
[2:25:40] $300 per camera right now we don't know what the cost is going to be down the road
[2:25:48] correct could be low lower could be higher we don't know
[2:25:54] Oprah.
[2:25:56] Yeah, I addressed Oprah.
[2:26:00] Not it's not Oprah.
[2:26:02] I didn't think so.
[2:26:03] I sent you that signature.
[2:26:04] I hear it.
[2:26:05] I hear it.
[2:26:08] Anything we missed?
[2:26:15] Yes, I'm sorry.
[2:26:17] The patrol cars do have ALPR.
[2:26:20] We have ALPR and the patrol cars since 2010.
[2:26:26] And what?
[2:26:27] Why are multiple officers signing off to you?
[2:26:31] Absolutely.
[2:26:31] There is general orders that each officer has to sign off on.
[2:26:35] There is training that each officer has to take and sign off on that training.
[2:26:42] It's already required director.
[2:26:45] She's asking is if one officer needs the approval of another officer at a higher rank before a search can be done?
[2:26:55] Part of our general order.
[2:27:00] What you also ask, excuse me, you also ask why it was blocked notified before the people were notified.
[2:27:10] Let me tell you how that happened.
[2:27:15] About two or three months ago, I went, I knocked on a door and someone told me about block.
[2:27:22] And I didn't know what it was talking about.
[2:27:24] I knew we had ALPR, I didn't associate the name flock with it, I didn't realize that.
[2:27:31] So I looked that up and I got the association that was fine.
[2:27:35] Then I believe it was this gentleman here who contacted me about a petition he had and we
[2:27:43] talked to the director and we talked to flock and when flock said that they would come,
[2:27:50] I let him know before my fellow council members, before the press knew, you can ask the member of the press.
[2:28:00] He asked me how did they find out so quickly that there was going to be a meeting.
[2:28:08] It's because I let him know about that before I even let council members know.
[2:28:14] So I don't think there was much hiding of information.
[2:28:19] I
[2:28:40] don't know the answer to that, but I can still open to that.
[2:28:42] So, Mr. Ainov.
[2:28:43] I don't know.
[2:28:43] So, I have a question about that.
[2:28:45] I'll ask the Chancellor of Attorney's a question.
[2:28:47] And I think is relevant to that question.
[2:28:50] If one of our officers conducts an act of misconduct,
[2:28:54] why would flock and demnify us for using their product
[2:28:58] inappropriately?
[2:28:59] So, I'm not sure that I can answer that.
[2:29:03] Let's stop now.
[2:29:04] Generally, and I'm going to say,
[2:29:05] is generally indemnification clauses, don't indemnify, you don't indemnify for the wrong
[2:29:11] collapse.
[2:29:11] Right.
[2:29:12] Exactly.
[2:29:12] That's right.
[2:29:13] But I don't have the contract in front of me, so I'm not comfortable in answering the
[2:29:16] questions to what the indemnification clause says or not.
[2:29:21] But that's generally the way indemnification clause.
[2:29:24] But my question, I think, is a little bit different, maybe.
[2:29:27] I think that, honestly, I don't, and I want to, and I can't answer the question without having
[2:29:35] the contract in front of me, but I think the question was, you get a false, and get a false
[2:29:44] positive from flock and you pull over in a rest, you know, a mom with a baby in the vaccine
[2:29:52] of a carpenter and a long robbery, and that she didn't commit.
[2:29:55] So now there's a lawsuit, now the township hasn't done anything wrong, because all the township
[2:30:00] Tipe in information into a system, but flock ready wrong. I think the question, which I can't answer tonight, because I don't have the contract in front of me, is whether or not they're prepared to indemnify us for their wrong choice.
[2:30:14] Right. Because in that circumstance, as we know what happens there, is the civil rights violation is always foisted upon the public entity, not the private party. So that's really the question. The answer is, I don't know the answer to our question. The other thing that I don't know, which may or may or may or may not be in this contract is,
[2:30:30] whether or not there are either bonds or insurance provisions in it, but I don't have
[2:30:34] the contract.
[2:30:35] I apologize.
[2:30:37] I'm sorry.
[2:30:38] I'm sorry.
[2:30:39] I really also asked why you two said that the bill of games was worth less than
[2:30:42] me.
[2:30:43] I don't answer the legal questions from Mr. Croutaville.
[2:30:45] That's just my policy.
[2:30:47] So you're welcome.
[2:30:48] I got a question.
[2:30:49] I can't answer.
[2:30:51] I answered about the problem.
[2:30:53] So I was going to address that, sir.
[2:30:55] So again, and I'm going to now ask you a question.
[2:30:58] I urge you to say it three times and I don't understand what you mean.
[2:31:04] This company makes a profit.
[2:31:05] No, I'm talking about in your letter.
[2:31:08] See, I'm just trying to prohibit these companies.
[2:31:14] Why? Why? Why?
[2:31:16] Maybe I don't know.
[2:31:18] You do get profit.
[2:31:19] No.
[2:31:21] No.
[2:31:21] It says, profiling.
[2:31:23] Not profiling.
[2:31:24] The word is profiling, sir.
[2:31:26] We can't profile. That's why I didn't understand what you meant when you asked it. Okay, all right
[2:31:34] Not a problem. I got one's in my hand
[2:31:38] Not in this you at all sir
[2:31:58] So actually, I think that it's not actually a federal court, that's actually kind of been the law in New Jersey.
[2:32:07] Remember there's a federal constitution on the state constitution.
[2:32:10] The state constitution, I think it's Article 1, Section 19, list a number of, it's like a bill of rights.
[2:32:16] That's in the state constitution.
[2:32:18] And the Supreme Court in New Jersey for years has ruled that there is more protection on the state constitution.
[2:32:23] in some circumstances and there is under federal constitution.
[2:32:27] And I think what the Supreme Court has said in a kind of a number, a very different
[2:32:31] way.
[2:32:32] So remember, new technology.
[2:32:34] So we're trying to interpret, you know, somebody talked about Carclerker, which was
[2:32:37] a great case from the 1960s, I think, but it's hard to extrapolate it through tonight.
[2:32:43] But I think what the New Jersey Supreme Court has, I kind of, sus out what it is that they're
[2:32:49] saying that if it becomes systematic, and I think that that's your point. If it's
[2:32:55] a point where there's a, like if you were using, you had a suspect in a case, and
[2:33:00] you were using flock to track all of their movements. For a person of interest in a case
[2:33:04] and you were doing that, there's a point at which that act becomes a relative of someone's
[2:33:13] fourth amendment, because it's being used for a different purpose. The New Jersey courts
[2:33:17] federal courts are pretty clear that just the reading of the license plate in and of itself
[2:33:22] is not a search because it's on public display essentially it's in plain sight.
[2:33:27] So I think that that's what you're trying to say. I don't think that your question is
[2:33:33] who makes that determination? Ultimately, it's court. But I think that there are policies and
[2:33:39] I'm let the director answer the rest of it. Do our policies in place? That's not something
[2:33:44] and we under our policies can use it for, right?
[2:33:50] I'm going to speak about that one.
[2:33:52] So we're, we, so, so, director, so.
[2:33:54] So I made the mistake of asking public what we missed.
[2:33:58] I've jumped down a rabbit hole.
[2:34:00] There's not a continuing discussion.
[2:34:03] It's just if we missed a question, I'm not, I just finished one.
[2:34:09] Yeah, and then I have a question for the director.
[2:34:16] So
[2:34:21] we don't have a percentage of false positives in Franklin.
[2:34:27] So you're not.
[2:34:29] No, because we haven't had one.
[2:34:31] Not explaining the question.
[2:34:34] No, I haven't had a false positive.
[2:34:35] We've had a false positive, sir.
[2:34:37] That's what I'm saying to you.
[2:34:38] There's going to be two more.
[2:34:40] I'm going to allow two more counsel.
[2:34:42] You can beat up on me for having to turn this woman.
[2:34:46] woman, this woman here. Yes, did we miss one of your questions?
[2:35:09] So, use of the system for reproductive health care or civil immigration enforcement is proven by state law.
[2:35:16] So, that's coded into the systems that this cannot be used for those searches. We've created filters to block any search terms related to that.
[2:35:24] So, no, this would not be permitted. Use investigation.
[2:35:31] The woman in black,
[2:35:37] are they capable of facial recognition and what are they capable of?
[2:35:49] No.
[2:35:49] What house?
[2:35:51] Is it important?
[2:35:52] How is that possible?
[2:35:53] These are just taking a photo of the exterior of a vehicle.
[2:35:58] It's a single...
[2:36:02] It's not built to look for faces.
[2:36:04] It's looking at the exterior vehicle to specifically
[2:36:07] that license plate and vehicle characteristics
[2:36:10] make model color.
[2:36:12] All right, we've got it.
[2:36:13] So this meeting, well,
[2:36:18] I think, at this point,
[2:36:20] come there.
[2:36:21] Let's try to gather there.
[2:36:23] It's just all of them and then come back to them.
[2:36:25] I'm actually going to try to answer them all.
[2:36:27] I don't think you can get to that every one.
[2:36:29] I don't think they get to that every one.
[2:36:31] I don't think they can get to that every one.
[2:36:37] So we had a council meeting scheduled.
[2:36:45] We have business council business to do.
[2:36:47] We have to pay the bills.
[2:36:49] We have to pass some ordinances.
[2:36:52] We don't have any.
[2:36:54] We've done.
[2:36:56] And we've done.
[2:37:00] We have.
[2:37:02] We added, I added this to the agenda, we didn't have to add anything, could have let people come up, and just been, so we do have to move on.
[2:37:18] I'm sorry if we missed questions. I'll be here after the meeting.
[2:37:26] May I do have a comment before we leave this topic?
[2:37:31] So, I just want to respond to two comments that were made in the public session.
[2:37:38] First of all,
[2:37:42] there was a comment that was made about council having board faces and having made up our minds.
[2:37:49] I just want to say, that is for those from the truth, public comment is an important part of the process.
[2:38:00] I spoke for myself, I speak for myself and in many instance that I represent the council as well.
[2:38:09] I listen carefully and care about your perspectives and comments even if they are different from mine.
[2:38:18] I was not in the council when the LPR and the flood cameras were discussed and contracted.
[2:38:27] But I know the conversations that we have heard today, whether it was about data privacy,
[2:38:38] whether it was about environmental issues, whether it was about civil rights, all of those topics
[2:38:44] are relevant and important.
[2:38:46] And this is not the only time we're going to talk about this.
[2:38:50] I do want to respond to an acquisition.
[2:38:51] and it's happened a few times. I use my phone. I'm going to say this again, I use my
[2:38:58] phone during all meetings including council meetings to make some personal notes for
[2:39:04] myself.
[2:39:07] If the person who made that acquisition really, truly, deeply cares about what
[2:39:17] and during the course of this specific meeting, I'm happy to share my notes from this meeting.
[2:39:22] I do this for all meetings and I will continue to do that, but do not for a second assume.
[2:39:29] That I'm here, spending my time listening to you, that I'm not paying attention. Thank you.
[2:39:37] All right, we're going to move on.
[2:39:48] Council that, uh, we've already had the council discussion item.
[2:39:52] We are now on to council comments and we comment comments and reports let's try this we give it one
[2:40:00] First, before, do one minute council comment, which have one minute to respond? Is everyone okay with that? Yes. Yes. Yes.
[2:40:11] One minute council comment.
[2:40:14] Yeah, put the clock on and wait. Before you start, everyone, if you're going to leave, please leave as quietly as you can.
[2:40:24] Close the doors behind you.
[2:40:26] It's the right, I'm
[2:40:31] calling on you first, it's the right, I'm calling on you.
[2:40:36] It's minute, it's called.
[2:40:38] Okay, it's the only joke.
[2:40:40] One minute, right?
[2:40:42] Okay.
[2:40:43] The HRC does the committee.
[2:40:47] I'm going to text you.
[2:40:48] It's looking for financial assistance to run the approach,
[2:40:54] There is a common project for the 250 years of independence.
[2:41:00] There are looking for financial assistance from the city, and from the council.
[2:41:09] That is one.
[2:41:10] Another thing is
[2:41:15] the Nigerian community and the West African community lost one of our
[2:41:24] great songs in this community.
[2:41:29] He, he, he, he is in Virginia, Chief Basel, a
[2:41:34] good kid. He has been living in Franklin for a long time and is a successful
[2:41:39] businessman and a distinguished American society. We just lost him.
[2:41:48] Thank you. Councilwoman Francois. I have no comments. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[2:41:53] Councilman embarrassing. I yield my time to your mayor. No yielding of time. Councilwoman, you're Dean.
[2:42:02] No reports at this time. I will give all my updates at the next one. Thank you.
[2:42:07] Councilman Singh. I always step down. Happy new mayor.
[2:42:12] I just want to thank everybody for coming up today. And thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us.
[2:42:20] and we really appreciate it.
[2:42:21] We are here to listen to you.
[2:42:23] We are here to learn from you, and we thank you so much.
[2:42:28] For my comments, I'll just say,
[2:42:30] this meeting started at 7 o'clock.
[2:42:32] Maybe 10 minutes went to proclamations.
[2:42:36] It's now quarter of 10.
[2:42:39] I don't think anyone can accuse us of ignoring the issue.
[2:42:43] We take it seriously.
[2:42:44] We listened.
[2:42:46] Thank you for your comments.
[2:42:49] Mr. Manager.
[2:42:51] Just one thing to report, Mr. Mayor.
[2:42:54] At 2026, 2027 tax bills are now available online through the web portal on the website.
[2:43:02] And tax bills will be mailed out on August 21.
[2:43:05] The grace period for the third quarter taxes is extended through September 15th.
[2:43:11] And you can wait for your tax bill and pay it in the normal fashion,
[2:43:16] or you can pay it online at any time between now and the deadline for the grace period of September 15th.
[2:43:25] That's it.
[2:43:27] Thank you.
[2:43:28] approve of the minutes.
[2:43:29] I present the following minutes to the Township Council for their approval.
[2:43:32] Township Council work session regular minutes to live 14th, 2026.
[2:43:37] So moved.
[2:43:39] Seconded.
[2:43:40] within second and in any discussion and anyone like to change an item, edit an item,
[2:43:46] madam clerk.
[2:43:47] Councilman and Barrison.
[2:43:49] Councilwoman François.
[2:43:51] Yes.
[2:43:51] Debbie Mircarasi.
[2:43:52] Yes.
[2:43:52] Mercaramor.
[2:43:53] Yes.
[2:43:54] Councilwoman Nudin.
[2:43:55] Yes.
[2:43:57] Councilwoman Nudin.
[2:43:58] Yes.
[2:43:59] Councilman Ryan.
[2:44:02] Time to bathe the bill.
[2:44:03] I was warrants in the amount of 33,03 million, 76,000, 8,133 dollars in 10 cents.
[2:44:11] And all of this is 11, 2026 represents the sounds of your council for payment to have a motion on the warrants.
[2:44:18] Seconded.
[2:44:19] We've been seconded in any discussion, anyone like to question or change or pull out a warrant?
[2:44:27] Madam Clerk.
[2:44:27] Councilman and Barerson.
[2:44:29] Councilwoman Francois.
[2:44:31] Deputy Mayor Karazi.
[2:44:33] Mayor Cramer.
[2:44:34] Yes.
[2:44:34] Councilwoman Eugenica.
[2:44:35] Yes.
[2:44:36] Councilwoman Eugenica.
[2:44:37] Councilwoman Wright.
[2:44:38] Councilman Wright Public hearing and adoption of ordinances on second reading.
[2:44:45] We have first readings to announce to the world that we're going to consider an ordinance.
[2:44:50] On second reading we decide whether the past the ordinance or not.
[2:44:55] or in 4515A does.
[2:45:00] 26, in order in implementing the municipal code of the Councilor for Franklin. County Assembly said State of New Jersey was sending chapter 92, cannabis in its entirety, and replacing it with a new chapter 92, cannabis is presented for public hearing and final discussion. Public hearing has been noticed as required as for unanimous consent to open to the public on this item only.
[2:45:24] without objection, we are open to the public on this side of
[2:45:27] only.
[2:45:30] Seeing no one come forward to ask for your nearest consent to
[2:45:33] close to the public without objection, we are close to the public,
[2:45:38] ask motion for a motion to adopt. So, mode. Second, move in second at any
[2:45:43] discussion.
[2:45:46] Adam Plurton. Councillor Bairouston. Yes. Councillor
[2:45:50] woman, friends. Yes. Deputy Mayor Corazee. Yes. Mayor Cramer. Yes. Councillor
[2:45:55] Yes.
[2:45:56] Councilman Singh.
[2:45:57] Yes.
[2:45:57] Councilwoman New Dean.
[2:45:59] Councilman White.
[2:46:01] Order of the number of 45-16-26 in order to implement the Municipal Code of the Township of Franklin County's Somerset State of New Jersey, creating a chapter, creating a new chapter, three-fifteen, short-term rentals, as presented for public hearing and final adoption.
[2:46:19] and public hearing has been noticed as required.
[2:46:23] I asked you in the end of this consent to open to the public on this item only.
[2:46:27] Without objection, we were open to the public.
[2:46:33] Same rules this last time.
[2:46:40] Nelson, underneath a four-joh court officer.
[2:46:48] May your crew member members of the Township Castle,
[2:46:53] I grew support for his noble shot tonight, the regulation,
[2:46:56] and including redistribution and short-run inspection parking in open parts of the limits.
[2:47:05] It locally available, responsible party and strong enforcement against poverty,
[2:47:09] that disturbed the neighborhood.
[2:47:10] I'd respect, respectfully, as a council to adopt,
[2:47:16] or now 4,5, 16,26, that's written tonight, but to table final adoption.
[2:47:23] and direct-tonship council to prepare narrowly till a second reverse risk provision.
[2:47:31] And protection for instance, complying operators.
[2:47:36] My concern is that the proposed ordinance goes beyond regulating health for conduct,
[2:47:43] by categorically excluding non-occupant homes.
[2:47:47] The drug totally contains conduct based protection, protections, documented and verified police calls can
[2:47:57] disqualify an applicant.
[2:48:01] Substant sugar, complaints, and repeated excessive vehicle violations can support revocation.
[2:48:08] And a responsible party must be available 24 hours a day and responding to hours.
[2:48:17] Those provisions directly address noise parties, park and safety and level disruptions.
[2:48:24] The request that a man, a man will replace the, replace the transport residents only
[2:48:32] will, with eligible eligibility for both, principal residents and bonafice, I can't rest
[2:48:41] then, bonafice, bonafice, secondary residents, a qualified secondary residents call be limited
[2:48:49] to one property, the owner household required, require evidence of continue personal connection
[2:48:56] to the home and exclude more type property commercial short-term enterprises.
[2:49:03] Every permit will still be renewed annually and remains subject to all safety requirements
[2:49:08] of course, and complaint based on suspicion of the case.
[2:49:16] Please regulate demonstrated harm and remove bad ideas while given responsible home owners
[2:49:23] if they are path to comply.
[2:49:26] It be possible.
[2:49:28] Target that revision would preserve it to our shifts, safety, goals,
[2:49:34] dark, hydrochloric, clear, including compliance,
[2:49:37] and home owners.
[2:49:38] Thank you.
[2:49:39] Thank you.
[2:49:42] Anyone else?
[2:49:46] Seeing no one else coming forward, I asked for an enormous consent to close the public portion
[2:49:52] without objection. Discussion?
[2:49:56] Mr. Mayor, I'd actually, it's Mr. Mayor, you know, and I have something to discuss.
[2:50:00] Council and reference to this adoption of this ordinance. As some of you on council, I only
[2:50:07] some received, correspondence late yesterday, in the 11th hour, from Airbnb of all places. And Airbnb,
[2:50:18] for a number of reasons requested that this ordinance either be modified, table, and modified. Most of
[2:50:29] And in my own humble opinion, specifically related to their ability to profit in Franklin
[2:50:37] Township by short-term rentals.
[2:50:41] And that, as you know, was a discussion.
[2:50:44] This ordinance was discussed at length in committee, and then here in Council on Introduction.
[2:50:51] There were a number of residents of the Township who came and spoke at the introduction.
[2:50:56] several of them are here tonight in the back of our council chambers.
[2:51:01] And I do recognize and apologize that you had to stay so long here tonight.
[2:51:07] But I'm sure you found it interesting.
[2:51:11] But there was one portion of the ordinance that Airbnb has said to us in that letter that they will have difficulty with.
[2:51:21] And that was the portion that required online rental service agencies to register with to
[2:51:29] township and notify the township of listings and verify that they're licensed before
[2:51:35] they list them on the website.
[2:51:37] And a conversation with Mr. Reino and I think that he can take this further, but we can
[2:51:44] certainly move to adopt this ordinance if you so choose to do it and make an amendment
[2:51:49] But after the fact to modify that one portion of the ordinance, Mr. Mayor, I'm not convinced
[2:51:59] that they're correct, but I think that it's not unusual for Airbnb type businesses.
[2:52:13] Internet businesses that always take the position and nobody can regulate us because we're
[2:52:17] the part of the FCC law.
[2:52:22] We'll take a look at it, but my recommendation was what I told you today.
[2:52:26] Mr. Manager, which is that we should adopt it, we'll take a look at it.
[2:52:29] The ordinance doesn't take effect for 20 days following the adoption and publication and any event.
[2:52:35] Between now and the next meeting, we'll determine whether or not there's some tweak to it,
[2:52:41] but my understanding from my other experiences with Airbnb and other municipalities
[2:52:46] is that they generally abide by these ordinances, and, you know, and the information at
[2:52:53] IRC for my peers through that I contacted regarding this who have ordinances in place
[2:52:57] already have said the same thing to Mr. Aino just said. So, so that's my recommendations
[2:53:03] tonight. Okay. Any other discussion? We need a motion.
[2:53:12] Do we have a motion to adopt?
[2:53:16] Second.
[2:53:18] Second.
[2:53:18] Second.
[2:53:18] Second.
[2:53:18] Then we'll second.
[2:53:19] Any other discussion?
[2:53:22] And the clerk.
[2:53:24] Councilman and Barrison?
[2:53:25] Yes.
[2:53:26] Councilwoman, François.
[2:53:28] Stepi, Mayor Carasey.
[2:53:29] Mayor Cramer.
[2:53:30] Yes.
[2:53:31] Councilman, on each occasion.
[2:53:32] Yes.
[2:53:32] Councilwoman, who Dean?
[2:53:35] Councilman, right.
[2:53:38] We're in this on first reading.
[2:53:39] ordinance 4, 5, 17, past 26, and ordinance, many in the code of the Township
[2:53:45] Franklin County.
[2:53:46] So we're saying state and New Jersey have more particularly chapter 1, 12, land development
[2:53:50] to make various updates regarding cluster subdivisions as well as related ordinances of
[2:53:58] ordinance updates.
[2:53:59] Before going on, there's a percentage of Township Council for adoption.
[2:54:02] And first, we're posting a publication of accordance with law on hearing and final adoption
[2:54:06] at a meeting at the Township Council of Bielder on Tuesday, September 8, 2026 at 7 p.m.
[2:54:14] in the Council chambers to have a motion to introduce.
[2:54:19] So, vote.
[2:54:20] I can vote.
[2:54:21] We've been seconded.
[2:54:24] This is a continuation of updating our master plan and the other discussion.
[2:54:33] Madam Clerk.
[2:54:34] Councilman, yes. Yes.
[2:54:37] Yes. Merchurazi.
[2:54:40] Mayor Kramer. Yes.
[2:54:41] Councillor Nani Jaka. Yes.
[2:54:43] Councillor Nesang. Yes.
[2:54:44] Councillor Meneudine and Councillor N Paso Nelo.
[2:54:47] Councillor Narei.
[2:54:51] One, two, three, go.
[2:54:53] We still have a quorum. Okay.
[2:54:56] Yes.
[2:54:57] All right.
[2:55:00] And it's 4518-26 in order and so authorizing private sale of the township owned lands located at block 173, lots 9, 10, 10, 50, six to 58 Main Street,
[2:55:15] Block 180, lots 1111 through 112, 29 costs at the street, and blocks 95, 20, 168, Churchill Avenue in the Township of Franklin County, some as a state in New Jersey.
[2:55:31] Habitat for Humanity, the four growing ordinance
[2:55:34] represents the Township Council for Adoption,
[2:55:36] First Reading and Posting,
[2:55:37] Publication, the Cornets with Law and Hearing,
[2:55:39] and Final Adoption, the Meaning of the Township Council
[2:55:41] is being held on Tuesday, September 8, 2026 at 7 p.m.
[2:55:46] in the Council Chambers.
[2:55:48] Do we have a motion to introduce?
[2:55:54] So move.
[2:55:55] We've been seconded.
[2:55:57] This is donating a plan to Habitat to Habitat.
[2:56:02] Habitat for Humanity. Anyone else? Any other discussion?
[2:56:10] Madam Clerk.
[2:56:11] Councilmember Barrison.
[2:56:13] Yes. Councilwoman Francois. Yes.
[2:56:15] Deputy Mayor Carasi. Yes.
[2:56:16] Mayor Cramer. Yes.
[2:56:18] Councilmember Nijaka. Yes.
[2:56:21] Councilwoman Noudine. Councilmember Wright. Yes.
[2:56:26] Concentring gender items.
[2:56:28] A through AD is the significant sense of gender portion of this meeting.
[2:56:31] the Council for Adoption to have a motion on the consent agenda.
[2:56:36] So moved.
[2:56:37] Thank you.
[2:56:38] Move down second it.
[2:56:40] Any discussion?
[2:56:40] And I would like to pull an item, question and item.
[2:56:44] Mr. Mayor, I'd just like to make a comment on the consent agenda.
[2:56:47] Some council members may have been expecting to see the award of a contract tonight
[2:56:52] for the construction of a park in the first word,
[2:56:56] the Bids were received last week, and they've been vetted, and the Bid is prepared to be awarded
[2:57:03] however, a funding mechanism needs to be confirmed with our financial consultant and the bond council.
[2:57:14] So every expenditure out of the open space trust fund in an excessive amount requires a capital ordinance
[2:57:22] because the amount exceeds the amount of money that we can spend without an ordinance.
[2:57:30] And so we need that since it was so late in the week last week and unfortunately I was
[2:57:34] out for a day for a health reason.
[2:57:38] I have to deal with the decision as to whether to bond or not for the balance of the money's
[2:57:46] necessary to build a park to award the bid.
[2:57:49] You have to have a funding mechanism in place before you can award the bid councilmen, right?
[2:57:55] That's what we're talking about.
[2:57:56] So it will be on the meeting the first meeting of September.
[2:58:00] Oh, the reason why I had the chance to go to the office.
[2:58:03] Yeah.
[2:58:03] It's not that big.
[2:58:05] It was somehow another thing I knew.
[2:58:11] But what was going in the park?
[2:58:15] There were two things that the discussion has been what was supposed to be in the park.
[2:58:21] And did we go for that part in total?
[2:58:26] Let's see that.
[2:58:27] Let's see that.
[2:58:28] That's all there.
[2:58:29] I mean, the park has got the basketball courts and tennis courts and cricket pitches and
[2:58:35] pickleball courts and picnic pavilion and the boxy ball is not being included in the
[2:58:44] bid, because including the boxy ball with the retaining wall would, of course,
[2:58:48] us to exceed the threshold for the anticipated cost that was approved.
[2:58:55] Oh, I just wanted to mention that I haven't been the part that I didn't love.
[2:59:00] Regardless of what's in it, I just want to go on to wish we had that in the park because
[2:59:08] I said, go on, my colleagues,
[2:59:12] we're supposed to be good stewards and sometimes we miss.
[2:59:17] And I think that one of the things that was an issue with the Bachi ball courts is to be honest
[2:59:21] with a constraint, and that was something that was considered a physical constraint that
[2:59:28] raised the price significant.
[2:59:30] We're in the consent agenda.
[2:59:31] And we are, and I'm giving information why something's not on a consent agenda.
[2:59:37] Any other discussion on consensus?
[2:59:40] Just a question on X and Y.
[2:59:42] X shows it's fact dated.
[2:59:45] Did we not approve it in 2025?
[2:59:48] Are we trying to approve it?
[2:59:50] We didn't expect it.
[2:59:51] So we had to do it now.
[2:59:57] They didn't submit the right paperwork.
[3:00:00] So it was a change in ownership of summer set recycling, and I think the new owners were under a misunderstanding as to when they submitted their license application.
[3:00:10] So they had to go retroactively so that they could be current with the new license.
[3:00:17] Any other questions?
[3:00:20] I don't work.
[3:00:21] Councilman and Barerson?
[3:00:23] Yes.
[3:00:24] Councilwoman Francois?
[3:00:25] Yes.
[3:00:25] Deputy Mayor Crossey?
[3:00:26] Yes.
[3:00:27] Mayor Cramer?
[3:00:28] Yes.
[3:00:28] Councilman O'Neill.
[3:00:30] Councilwoman O'Neill.
[3:00:31] Councilman O'Neill.
[3:00:36] Presolution 26354.
[3:00:38] Award-bid East Millstone Watermain installation.
[3:00:43] Your way construction.
[3:00:45] Not to exceed a million.
[3:00:47] sixty four thousand nine hundred sixty two dollars
[3:00:51] represents a Council for adoption to have a motion
[3:00:57] we're in second and a discussion
[3:01:01] this is a question what is the sport
[3:01:04] so this will connect the east most on water system to our main water system
[3:01:09] which up until what since it was built back in the 40s or 50s until now
[3:01:14] is a standalone isolated system so it's not looped and it doesn't have the ability to
[3:01:21] be to if it there's a main break and he smells don't they lose water so we're bringing
[3:01:27] the main system to connect and it all is just has to run from settlers to warm and straight
[3:01:33] it just has to go to that distance and it will be connected in total as part of our main
[3:01:38] Thank you.
[3:01:41] Any other discussion?
[3:01:44] In clerk?
[3:01:46] Yes.
[3:01:48] Yes.
[3:01:48] Yes.
[3:01:51] Councillor Nunni Chaka?
[3:01:53] Councillor Nunni Chaka?
[3:01:54] Councilwoman Eugene?
[3:01:57] Yes.
[3:01:58] All business, boards, committees, commissions, or anyone of any nominations?
[3:02:03] During
[3:02:08] non-executive session, resolution 26, 353, authorized executive session, litigation,
[3:02:15] warehouse, evidence-free.
[3:02:16] Freedom's transcode litigation is presented to the Council for adoption, do we have
[3:02:22] a motion to go into executive session?
[3:02:24] So move.
[3:02:25] Second.
[3:02:27] Move in second, any discussion?
[3:02:30] Madam Clerk.
[3:02:33] Councilman embarrassing?
[3:02:34] Yes.
[3:02:35] Councilwoman Francois?
[3:02:36] Yes.
[3:02:37] Deputy Mayor Corasi?
[3:02:39] Yes. Councillor Nunnichaka. Councilman Singh.
[3:02:42] Councilwoman Nadine. Yes. Councilman Mike.
[3:02:45] Yes. So we will be going into executive session.
[3:02:49] And after executive session, there will be no further business conducted
[3:02:53] except the coming out of executive session and
[3:02:56] closing of the adjourning of the meeting.
[3:02:59] So for all intents and perspaces, the meeting is adjourned.
[3:03:04] Be well, Franklin.