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order the regular meeting of the
historic district commission uh for

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September 2nd uh 2026. Um can I have
your names for roll call please?

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Starting with Mr. Vinickum
Finnick here.

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» Angie Nagel
>> Alec Kokoska

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» Laura Witty
>> Alexen

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» Jennifer Cook Rian
thank you. Uh so the next item tonight

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is the adoption of the agenda. Uh does
anyone have comments about that?

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» We're going to I guess proposal will
modify A to C and then the slide B and C

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up. So move the uh front under new
business.

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» Okay. Uh anyone have a motion?
>> I'll motion. I think

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uh moving talk about A as the last of
new business. We'll talk about AT&T.

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We'll talk about 32310.
And then talk about the facade

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» in reverse order.
>> Uh

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» just going BCA
>> BCA.

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» Okay. Uh so I'll make a motion that we
approve a modified agenda for Wednesday,

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September 2nd, 2026. Uh with new
business going in BCA order. Um, uh,

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AT&T 32310 and then then 32716.
>> Okay. Is there a is there a second?

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» I'll second that.
>> All in favor?

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» I
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» Okay. Motion passes. Uh, all right.
Let's look at the the minutes from the

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last meeting. And I spotted a typo in
there. Um but those of you who had

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motions,
can you um

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tell me if you
um have any objection to uh the minutes?

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» All right. So I on page three
um I noted that for the Wing Lake

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property property that we um considered
the demolition permit for on the second

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bullet point it says it was noted that
the current home was built in 1954 and

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that it does contribute to the character
of the village which I believe uh is a

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typo should say does not contribute to
the character of the village

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» and that was your motion. So, um,

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and Angie support
>> I think it's the other one.

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» Do you want me to go ahead and motion
the minutes?

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» Yeah. Um, I'm going to go ahead and
motion the minutes uh as presented

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Wednesday, August 5th, 2026 with the
um correction of Wing Lake Road uh

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stated by Witty that the 1954 does not
contribute to the character of the

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village.
>> Second your motion.

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» All in favor?
>> I I Great motion motion passes.

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All right.
Now we move on to

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public comments. Is there anyone here
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address the HTC for any reason who isn't
already on agenda tonight?

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» Did you say to address the
>> No. Any public public comments? Yeah.

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Who who aren't otherwise on the agenda?

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» All right. Um hearing hearing no public
comments or requests for public comment

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uh we will move on to new business
tonight. So uh given the earlier motion

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we are going to move forward with the
AT&T proposal to install a replacement

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pole and install small cell
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wireless facilities at the AT&T site
16687859.

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Is the applicant here? Please step up to
the podium.

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Good evening everybody. Wally Haley from
the Haley Law Firm representing AT&T

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tonight. Uh
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» I go into a big speech, but you've got
guys have been down this road before

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with the uh the antennas in the historic
district on the on the utility polls. Uh

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fairly simple. Uh McKenna recommends its
approval. Uh and so I'd rather answer

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any questions you folks may have
specific this. Uh other than that, I I

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won't waste your time. you can get on to
B and C and thank you for moving us up

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to A.
>> Sure. Um, so I just I have one question

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then maybe a comment. Um, on the
paperwork it indicates that uh it

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appears that the color brown has been
chosen for the the shrouding material

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and the antenna and and that stuff. Um,
and I was just speaking with um Mr. Den

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about the color of the pole, which I
think is a treated [clears throat] is

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that a treated lumber of some kind?
>> Treated wood. Yeah. Um it's currently a

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greenish color, but he advises it will
turn to a grayish color over time

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and
>> tish grayish. Yeah.

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» Topish grayish.
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bearing in mind that we like I guess
mechanical, electrical, etc. Um

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um infrastructure to remain as
unobtrusive as possible, especially in

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the historic district. Is it possible to
have a color on that pole that would

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blend better with the pole or not be as
obtrusive as a dark brown on a gray

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pole?
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» it's a standard gray is a standard
color. I noted from your materials.

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» Yeah, I'm I'm going to say yes. Um, with
the caveat that that um it's brown

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across the street and then there's a
gray over here. So

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» Oh, I see. Okay. Uh but you know I let
me put it this way. If you condition

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upon that I will I will take that
condition back and I don't see a problem

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this route being made gray.
>> Worst worst case they painted it.

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» Okay. Um
so we have a brown and and a gray. Is

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that what you're saying? And I didn't I
confess I did not look at all the polls

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» there. There's a lot of them. I Yeah,
they [clears throat]

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actually run various shades of depending
on the age, you know, the shrouds and

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things. It's it's they're they're
various. Let's leave it at that. Um but

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um the I I will say this about some of
the aging of the poles. You drive down

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Franklin, some of the poles look brown,
some of the poles age to gray. Some of

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the poles the treated wood, you know,
like like Bill said, it looks more gray.

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» So
six of one halfus is another. I don't

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think given the location where it's at,
you know, next to the cemetery on an

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existing pole, it's it's going to matter
that much. I think the easy thing answer

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is to leave it brown as they propose.
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» Because I don't think it's really going
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along Franklin.
>> So, the gray one you're talking about is

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right at the corner of Wellington and
Franklin Road. Is that the one you're

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referencing or is there a different one?
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literally right as you come out of the
driveway here, isn't it? I think

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» I was just looking on Sorry, I just
looking online.

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» We could walk. No, we could walk outside
and look, but

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» No, we got enough stuff going on, I
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» Yeah,
>> just want to at least understand your

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reference.
>> Okay. Does anyone have anyone else have

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comments about proposed color
>> or preference for brown or or gray

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» being like a utility? And and it's I
don't even want to call that an

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architectural element. I I don't feel
like that that color call out is even

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part of any of of that business. Um they
get poles and they put poles in the

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ground and I think that's where I I
don't think we have like an option to

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put decorative requests on it.
>> Sure.

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» Sure.
>> But that's all that's my opinion.

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» Okay.
>> Is there is this a choice of color for

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the equipment or the pole?
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» Okay. So within the materials there's um
it shows different options for color for

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the shrouding of the the equipment that
goes on the pole. It's not the pole

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itself.
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» the choices are gray, brown
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» In the village we are we gray
>> there. He says there's both.

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» There's believe there's both on
Franklin. Yeah. driving with Google

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Maps. I would agree.
>> You know, it's it's either way it's not

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going to be that big of a deal. If if if
the commission's preferences to go gray

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condition upon changing the color to
gray on the plans

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» and if if there's some reason that you
physically can't do that, I'll see you

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next month.
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» I see.
>> It's it's your preference.

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» So, it's a it is a choice.
>> It's a choice. So, I just wanted to make

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sure everyone here was aware of that.
And um but if we have both colors in the

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village, then you know I
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» The the the site plan submitted show a
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If you want to change that,
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do believe that there are both on in the
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» [clears throat]
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have any concerns.

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» All right. Any further comment?
>> There's no color picture here.

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» Yeah.
>> No, it's just Well,

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» oh, no. It's a drawing. It just And in
the uh in the small print next to it

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says brown shroud. Yeah,
>> I mean the color is it's this little

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tune,
right? I don't even know what this is,

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but
I believe the gray

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uh disappears into the background with
sky and everything else.

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» Okay.
>> More greatly than brown.

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» You're going to match I assume you're
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shroud.
>> Yeah. All the the equipment would just

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be
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that would be my recommendation.

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» Anyone else?
>> No, I agree. I think that's a good

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thing.
>> Yeah, I think gray makes sense.

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» Makes sense with this guy.
>> Seems consistent.

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» Yeah.
>> All right. Do we have a motion on gray

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or on approval with with gray if if
possible? I'll make a uh a motion to

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approve the uh AT&T proposal. Install
install a replacement pole and install

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small small cell wireless facilities at
AT&T site 16687859

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with the application as received. Is
this right? April 28th, 2026. Maybe it

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was August. um with a uh a notation that
the preference if possible would be to

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make the shroud um gray to and the other
um metal boxes gray to to tie in with

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the color of the pole.
>> Okay. Is there a second on that?

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» I'll second.
>> Okay. All in favor? I

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» I
>> All right. Thank you. Thank you very

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much.
>> Have a great one. Thanks. You too. Two.

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Okay,
let's get our papers in order.

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» All right. Uh, next on the agenda
is new business at 32310

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Franklin Road, siding replacement. The
applicants here.

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» All right.
>> Hi.

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» Hi.
>> You live across the street, a little red

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schoolhouse.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Um, what's your name?
>> Alexis Middle.

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» Alexis Middle. Okay.
>> Um, and the it's wood at the moment, but

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it's seriously deteriorated. Um, so we
wanted to replace it with hardy siding.

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I think we included um a photo of, you
know, what it could look like. Joe here

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can show you some other images and
explain the benefits of hardy siding as

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opposed to wood if you find that
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Uh, that's Joe.
>> That's Joe.

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» Uh, Joe, come on up.
>> I'm with Shane Roing.

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» Sorry, this is not working properly, but
where should I start off as far as the

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pictures?
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» we all have that.
>> We got it. So, it looks very similar to

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what you guys have. So, the difference
is this is the Hardy. It's just

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different images all around the house.
So, as far as the color with the James

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Hardy,
any of you guys familiar with James

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Hardy concrete fiber board that looks
like wood. We've done it multiple times

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in historic areas. This is the red that
we're looking at and it's got grain

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texture as well.
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» And we're going to keep the um details
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Um,
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» Some documentation about Hardy for Hardy
preferred as well and then what we're

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doing for the project.

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» Okay. So, I I have a a couple of
questions just um

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what is the width of the boards on your
home right now?

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» They're a little bit more
narrower. If you look at this photo,

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» they're narrower, but
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» So, with the James Hardy, the reveal
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» seven in.
>> Do you know what it is?

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» It's it's close to the what we're doing
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» Close to seven.
>> Very close to the seven inches. Yep.

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» Yeah. It's just this photo. It looks a
lot different from this photo from in

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terms of width. Why the question's
coming up.

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» Yep.

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Um,
and so you did you look at like price I

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I know that Hardy board is
um for longevity purposes probably and

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maintenance purposes uh probably
superior to wood in general. Um but did

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you look at I mean is all the wood on
your house if you want to take a look it

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is abs
>> it is deteriorated. deteriorated and

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it's full of holes and there's 17 layers
of paint on it. It's in really bad

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condition.

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» Was there a prior approval about a year
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» I was going to do it a different color,
paint it gray and white. That was me. Um

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and then um obviously I didn't I
couldn't get anyone to paint it. I could

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not get any painter to commit to
painting it. And then um I decided

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siding was multiple people had told me
that siding was the better option. And

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then with AI images, I decided I like
the red the best. Um, it keeps the

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historic feel of the old schoolhouse.
Um, and I thought you guys would like

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that better if we went red instead of
switching it to gray and white.

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» Yeah. I think part of my concern was the
red on there is a very different color

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from what's on there now, but the gray
on there is closer to what you had

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approved a year ago.
>> The red on here is different, but that's

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the red that we could find. It's still
called Country Red. I think it still

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fits in with the theme of an old
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Um, okay. So, I'm I'm just looking on
your proposed your proposal page. Um,

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you you've said that you want to
preserve all the existing architectural

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um details
>> details including the trim,

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cornerboards. It says other car other
character defining elements. It says

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will be preserved wherever possible.
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» so that to me is a concerning statement.
>> That was someone else,

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» not Joe. Joe can who helped me write
that? I was talking to a different um

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contractor. Um he's much more confident
that they can preserve everything. Is

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that right?
>> Absolutely.

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» Okay. And are the original elements
going to be preserved or you are you

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planning on replacing?
>> They're rotten. Like if you if you look

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at the window trim, it's rotten. It
needs to be redone, but it will look

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identical.
>> Okay. So, you've been able to source

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wood elements for that or
>> So, what she's going to do is she's

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going to keep the original windows in
the house. So, we're not touching any of

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the windows. That's all staying as it
is. Staying with the muttons with the

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exterior muttons. So, it's still keeping
that traditional look. The only uh doors

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that we're changing, the front door, the
back door, and the garage door, side

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door, we're changing because they're
rotted. The frame is completely exposed.

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And uh also for the siding of the house,
we are changing not only the siding, but

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there's areas that have no sheathing
underneath.

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» Okay.
>> Um and completely exposed right now. So

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she's getting uh
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» rodents and so forth going in.
>> So it's completely exposed.

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» Okay. So the the scope of what you just
described is a little bit broader than

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what's in front of us today in terms of
doors.

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» Again, I don't know what's in front of
you. I I didn't write any of that.

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» Sure. So what we have in front of us
today is just the siding is is just the

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siding.
>> Yeah.

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» And so I would consider
trim work to be a separate issue.

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Especially Especially if you're not
sure what's going to be replaced yet.

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» It's all going to be replaced. All of
the trim is going to be replaced.

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» It's all rotten. It just is.
>> Is it going to be white?

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» Yes.
>> Okay. And have you identified

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equal replacement pieces if you want to,
you know, because I know sometimes older

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elements don't come in those sizes
anymore or that that width or those

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» I think they have to,
>> you know, so you can get everything in

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every size.
>> You can get everything in every size and

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whatever you replace, which sounds like
everything will be identical to what's

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there right now. minus that I can't
guarantee the siding profile, the reveal

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on the siding,
>> which you were asking about earlier. I

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don't want to put my foot in my mouth,
so I don't know the exact reveal. I'm

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telling you what what we can do with the
Hardy, and that is a 7in reveal that is

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exposed
with the grain texture. They also have

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the smooth texture, but obviously to
kind of keep the integrity of the look

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of the house, I think the grain one
looks nicer.

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» Okay. Um,

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so and then obviously the doors we don't
have examples in front of us. So we we

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» put the doors that I could do that as a
separate proposal if you want and said

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» it would have to be.
>> That's fine. I when I submitted

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[clears throat] this I wasn't thinking
about the doors. I just discussed it

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with him on Monday. Um so I could submit
doors separately

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» and windows.
>> Right. Well, I've asked a lot of

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questions. Um Mr. Finom, do you want to
>> ask some questions? Um,

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» yeah. I guess
>> since you're the architect.

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» Well,
>> I don't think so.

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» First of all, I know that Hardy blank
comes in 4 in exposure. You represent

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that it's [clears throat] 7 in as
standard. It comes in 4 in which would

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be in by my eye a lot closer to what's
existing than what you have.

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» More expensive.
>> So again, they do have different reveals

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of thickness or the width they can do.
But I can run across the street and take

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a quick measure if you want to know the
exact measurement of the reveal.

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» Well, I'd like to know that and I'd like
to know um then that you can get close

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to it with 4 inch exposure because I
know Hardy blank comes that way. I have

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another question and that is the
texture. I'm wondering why you've chosen

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the rough
uh wood grain texture with the simulates

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siding that is checked, split,
um weathered and needs repainting when

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you want it to look rejuvenated
and originally that siding was smooth.

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Oh, well, I thought I don't I mean, I
thought you wanted it to I thought that

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historically speaking, you would want it
to look like wood.

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» Well, I'm not sure that I would want to
see it weathered and checked and split.

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» Well, no, it's not going to look I guess
I don't understand.

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» To me, that's
>> that's how that heavy texture on the

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Hardy blank looks. That's just my
opinion.

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» Is there another texture? So there's a
smooth

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» smooth
>> there's smooth and but this texture that

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you're seeing here is to make it look
like real wood

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» with the grain.
>> It looks

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» again everyone's you know everyone sees
it differently.

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» So explain I don't understand what
you're saying. I'm curious though. So

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what are you saying? You're saying that
>> this texture you don't think is as nice

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as the
>> I think if you're trying to rejuvenate

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it, you would want to rejuvenate it
>> with a smooth

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and newer and fresher to re renew it to
what it was when it was original. Okay.

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I thought would have wanted
>> not looked like it is now when it's

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rotten. That's just
>> so is the other.

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» Do you guys kind of understand what he's
saying?

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» No, I understand exactly what he's
saying. And I would make a point that

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one of the one of the things that we are
not allowed to do as a historic district

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commission is to make things look
historic. I mean to replace with things

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that create a false sense of history.
We're not supposed We're I mean those

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are one of that's one of our guidelines
is to not approve materials that are

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like simulated old if that makes sense
to you.

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» Yeah. So and that's I don't remember
what guideline that is but it is one of

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it is one of the guidelines.
>> It is called that.

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» So you're saying you would you would
well at least you would prefer

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» it's number three.
>> Number three. Okay.

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» Am I correct in understanding that? Yes.
>> Changes that uh create a false sense of

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historic development.
>> Okay. Number three kind of

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» you have to do smooth texture as well.
>> It's the same material.

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» Same exact material.
>> You install it ex with the rough side

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out or the smooth side up.
>> Okay.

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» Do you have a sample or
>> I don't have a sample of the smooth, but

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we can definitely do it either way.
There's no cost difference for us or the

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homeowner.
>> That's so if you guys prefer smooth, I'm

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happy to do smooth. I went with the wood
because I thought that's what you would

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prefer. It's kind of re even difficult
to tell what's there right now in the

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house because there are
>> many layers of uh paint.

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» I'm sure even uh layers of lead paint
into it over the years. Uh

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» yeah,
>> sure. That's

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» and it's peeled, repainted, peeled,
repainted, and it hasn't been sanded

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down. So, it's kind of even difficult to
tell what the texture is in the first

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place. But yeah, we we can do it either
way. Not a problem.

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So, do you have any uh comments on the
the trimmings on the house?

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» Well, I think your question was good.
It's in terms of finding the right

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sizes. Not just the size, but the
thickness

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» also. Um,
>> so they do make the same trim, by the

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way, with the grain or the smooth. So,
if you're going to go smooth on the

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siding, they make the trim to match it
to complement the smooth texture. So, we

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can do that, too.
>> Well, you said that the trim was going

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to be wood.
No, it's still all the siding material

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of the Hardy everywhere that we're
doing.

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» The trim is also going to be Hardy,
>> correct?

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» Hardy has to lay against Hardy. Hardy
can't lay against wood or you lose the

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warranty.
>> Who said that?

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» A Hardy salesperson. [clears throat]
>> I don't know. Is that not right?

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» I didn't [laughter] say that. I didn't
say that.

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» But normally when I'm doing hardy, I do
>> a hearty salesperson.

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» Yeah. When I do Hardy, I do Hardy
[clears throat] trim. So,

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» but it's not true. Um,
what are the thicknesses of the Hardy

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Trim?
>> There's again different thicknesses in

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the width and also the thickness of
protruding outward as well. So, if we're

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trying to match it 100%. We're going to
try to match it 100% to what they make

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and what's there currently.
>> So, I think we're trying to match it

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100%.
>> Yeah, we're 2026. So if it's if it's

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five quarter then it should be five and
a quarter. You know the siding shouldn't

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protrude beyond the the trim. Whereas
sometimes when the trim gets too skinny

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the siding protrudes.
>> Understandable.

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» So the the trim needs to be whatever it
is now

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in order to avoid that. Okay. Okay.
>> What about the detail of the trim over

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the windows?
Can you duplicate that?

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» So again, that's what we're going to
definitely try to do all the way around

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on all the windows
>> with the same profile.

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» So I I mean I have concern that when you
say try, you know, it's hard for us to

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approve try as opposed to we are going
to

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» if you understand where we're coming
from on that.

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» Madam Chair.
>> Yes. As a point of interest, I wonder if

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we shouldn't just require them to bring
back the trim in the doors with samples

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to show us what it is they want to do.
>> I think that would be most appropriate

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to assure that we're getting what we
believe we are getting.

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» That you can get that. But I will tell
you if it's either that or it stays as

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it is, right? Like if we can't do it, if
we I cannot He's like the fifth or sixth

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person I've talked to. Mhm.
>> He has come the closest to being able to

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replicate the trim. [clears throat]
So if you can't accept that, then we

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just have to keep it the rotted wood
there, right? Like it's like either

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» come as close as you can or don't.
>> And we have done that before, by the

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way. So certain historic areas where
they didn't allow either the windows to

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be changed or some of the trim to be
changed. We've left that. We've done all

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the siding up to it. So the original
stays obviously

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» some of it's almost impossible to to to
bring it back to life.

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» I and I appreciate that and I appreciate
your comment that you know if you can't

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replicate exactly you may end up with
>> maybe a few of your elements having to

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be repaired carefully and puttied or you
know whatever

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» be I mean if you look at it it is beyond
repair.

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» Can you repair the elements? I do know
that above uh the windows at the top

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that that if you look at that thick
white line that is just like

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» um it's like a big caul and it's just
that you know that's probably the only

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thing that's keeping the water out right
there. But it it is it's aged and it's

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going to be tough to like
>> holes especially in the upstairs dormer

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on the far right. There's holes.
>> I mean it is beyond repair. But that but

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that that layer of pock I mean it it can
be removed. I just don't know what's

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going to happen when once you do that
right because it it's been a glued up on

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there for a while. But I've looked at
that window before just walking down the

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sidewalk and noting that.
>> Can you tell us um when you're

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contemplating doing the project and what
kind of timeline and how does you do the

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siding first and then you work on the
the trim elements after that? I

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» think we do it all at once all together.
It'll be done by the end of the year

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because as soon as you approve it, we'll
order it in the red takes a couple what?

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» It's 14 to 16 weeks.
>> So, be done by the end

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» for ordering all the material and then
of course schedule time.

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» Is it possible to order the red the red
siding and then

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see see what the situation is with the
trim.

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» I don't want to spend a fortune on
siding if I can't do the trim. If I have

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to keep the rotten windows, I'm not
going to bother to do the siding.

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» You mean the trim elements of the
windows? Is you're you're keeping your

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windows, right?
>> I'm keeping the windows, but the trim is

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rotten, so why would I spend tens of
thousands of dollars on siding and keep

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rotten trim?

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» Um,
Bill, do you have any additional

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comments about that?
>> It's appropriate to have the samples in

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front of us. So you want samples of
>> the siding I mean of no the trim the

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different sides of the trim but also
there should be details. The

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application asks for details
of

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uh special specialty things like the
rake

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um the eaves
um

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» yeah I didn't have a contract I spoke to
the clerk I think I didn't have a

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contractor when I was completing the
application so it's like layman's

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knowledge I don't have I didn't have all
that information

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» I notice here that the the rake
seems to protrude farther than your

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computer render
the existing windows.

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» What's the rake? I don't even

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» This part of the roof is protruding
farther now than it looks like on the

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other drawing.
>> Oh, well, this

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» the other one is a threestep piece of
trim. This is a wide

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or something
>> rake board and are you looking at this?

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This was just I just This was just an AI
image of the of my current house with

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the new painting on it with Again, lot
lot of those

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» permission to do certain things that we
have to have it documented what it is

418
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:57,520
those things are. So if we can't look at
this as documentation, then you should

419
00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:03,200
provide details
that show exactly what you're going to

420
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:06,240
be doing with a with a sample. So when
you say a sample, I just want to

421
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,679
understand what you want me to bring you
because he brought this the they're not

422
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:14,720
going to be able to make the trim. You
want the sample of the material and the

423
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:16,159
size.
>> Yes.

424
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,320
» Can you do that?
>> And I would like

425
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360
» for every single size piece on top of
the house.

426
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,880
» I don't understand.
>> Wouldn't say every single one. I would

427
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,399
say
um

428
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,919
» because even the pictures that you're
com commenting on there, those are just

429
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,760
rendering images.
>> So why so why don't present this then?

430
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:36,080
because you do show you show this window
AI generated caul. It's a it's a

431
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:38,880
straight line now and but that's that's
rotting caul on top of that window. So

432
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:43,440
this is this is not
>> when I did the that wasn't him. That was

433
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,440
me. When I did the AI generated window,
I just said put the old windows so they

434
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,960
know that I'm keeping the design. That's
why I put the old windows in.

435
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:56,480
» Oh. Uh they went down there.
What we're trying to avoid though is

436
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,159
having trim like this with the window
going like we're just

437
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:03,600
» if all these details are gone like and
it doesn't look

438
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,600
» I'm trying to work through that process.
Right.

439
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:09,200
» All the details to be Listen, I want it
to we bought the house, right? We love

440
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,399
the house. I don't want all the details
to be gone as much as you want all the

441
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,520
details to be gone. I'm not trying to
make this over. That's why we're not

442
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:20,480
doing it gray and white anymore. I want
it to look as original. And I know you

443
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:24,880
said I can't use new sub. I didn't know
that, but I understand and I'm with you

444
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:29,600
and I agree 1,000% for
>> Oh, your whole booklet.

445
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,240
» Where's the one that he just gave me
with the party book?

446
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,399
» Oh, sorry. Is it this?
>> And mine is not stapled. So, it's loose

447
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,840
pictures.
>> It's pictures that were in there.

448
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,159
» Go in here.
>> I'm so sorry.

449
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,480
» Yeah, there they are. Sorry.
>> So, again, even these were

450
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:46,240
» AI.
>> It's not AI, it's software,

451
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,039
» but again, it overlays it on top of the
existing house. So, how much of it is it

452
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,760
actually you can't see in the images?
Yeah, you can't even see some of that

453
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,240
that's above the windows,
>> right?

454
00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:00,080
» And I'm sorry, I can't I can't do it any
other way. There is no software that

455
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,799
allows you to kind of put this material
on there. So,

456
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:05,840
» and
>> and if you want the pieces, I got

457
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:12,159
actually bring you different size pieces
of trim. That's all I can do. What I

458
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:17,440
would like to know is if this existing
trim is 3/4 or 5/4 or four quarter or

459
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:22,399
whatever
and how wide is it. I'd like you to have

460
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,120
a sample that shows that you can get
>> correct

461
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,960
» to that. You know, it doesn't have to be
every piece. It has to be the major

462
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,720
components like
>> the corners, the fascia,

463
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:38,000
» the corners, fascia, and then the
window, the casing. Because part of the

464
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:43,120
look and feel of this house is that wide
>> trim, the wide frame around the house.

465
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:47,279
And if we end up with this tiny little,
it's all the way off. It's not 100%

466
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,200
going to look at all reflective of what
that house

467
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,880
» and Hardy does make different trim
pieces and different widths. So I can I

468
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:56,080
can get different sizes.
>> So it's just really

469
00:32:54,320 --> 00:33:00,880
» So what we do is normally when we help a
client like this, um uh I set up a

470
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,640
project manager to come out. So he does
a pre-walk of the property. He takes a

471
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:08,480
look at what's there. He's making
basically making his order list of the

472
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,600
materials he needs to order. So that
case he's looking okay that's five and a

473
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,799
quarter inch. I'm ordering five and a
quarter inch for this specific area. I

474
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:19,600
need this 200 ft of it for this area for
the freeze. Same thing. So he's just

475
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,080
making a list and he's ordering the
materials as needed as far as what's

476
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,000
there. If I tell him I'm replicating
what's there.

477
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,000
» Yeah.
>> Right. Okay.

478
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:32,720
» Obviously, if we, you know, we're not
going to vinyl or some, you know,

479
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:36,640
» it's almost like as if we had that list
that we could then approve off of to

480
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,600
say, "Yes, you're putting in five and a
quarter, which matches five and a

481
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,360
quarter. You're doing 7 in reveal at
this. You're doing this." Right now, all

482
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,799
we have is an insurance document, a
write up, and an AI drawing.

483
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,200
Unfortunately, it doesn't like the
detail part is what we're really looking

484
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:52,559
for because that's what we prove off
>> because this the beauty of this house is

485
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,919
in the details. I get it. Yeah. So,
let's going I can't see your name and I

486
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,559
forgot what it was already.
>> Laura.

487
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,519
» Laura.
>> Laura.

488
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:04,960
» I'm Laura.
>> Laura. So, your suggestion if you guys

489
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,600
» if you were able to approve the red, we
could order the red because that what

490
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,839
takes the time. And then your next
meeting is in October. Is that correct?

491
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:14,879
Correct. We could come back in October
with the sample. You understand what

492
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:18,159
they want? Because I don't understand
what you want. But if he understands, we

493
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,280
come back in October with the samples of
the trim and that could be a separate

494
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,480
the trim and the doors.
>> Bill Finham raised the point that he

495
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:32,480
wants to see what the uh the reveal the
reveal is on the on the trim. Right. So

496
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:37,919
» I I don't feel comfortable with the
seven inch when I believe that currently

497
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:44,320
it's closer to four. It might even be
three and a half.

498
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,280
So the standard 4 inch exposure is what
I would be looking for. That's what I

499
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,399
would
>> What's the lead time on on the ordering?

500
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,280
» 14 to 16.
>> 14 to 16 weeks.

501
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,000
» So it takes 14 to 16 weeks for it to
come in

502
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:59,359
» for materials and schedule time.
>> Okay. So with specific color like red,

503
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,079
it takes longer because they have to
produce.

504
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:06,400
» All right. What I would suggest is if he
if he can get a photo right this second

505
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,760
and go measure it, would that satisfy
you? So we can at least get them.

506
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:13,359
» I like to know what it is. But is there
a reason

507
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:17,599
» that you chose seven inch?
>> The 4 inch is a lot more expensive. It's

508
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,920
like twice the price.
>> That's the reason.

509
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,680
» They have even actually smaller than 4
in as well. And it shoots up even

510
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:30,400
higher.
>> And the reason for the expense

511
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,240
» you'd have to ask Mr. J.
>> I was told it was the labor because it's

512
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,280
labor and also material itself.
>> I imagine it's labor. just

513
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,880
» and I'm just telling you
>> two pieces instead of one going in place

514
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:45,200
but
>> if you get double the price u seems

515
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,599
excessive
>> wrong

516
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:52,079
» it's it's up there it's close to double
the price on the the smaller ones

517
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,480
» well
>> it literally even with my wobbly ankle I

518
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,400
could walk across the street and look at
the reveal real quick and measure it if

519
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440
you guys like
>> will you do that

520
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,760
» do you guys mind
>> I I don't mind um you should see if it's

521
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:10,000
closer to 7
But we we if there's a photograph and

522
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,920
then if you have a if there's a way for
you to measure it.

523
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,599
» Yeah. Have a tape measure
>> with with in the photograph that would

524
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:17,680
be fantastic.
>> Yeah.

525
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,240
» All due respect. I have a wobbly an
angle, but I'll

526
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,200
» answer a lot of your questions. That's
why I brought him with me, but I'll try.

527
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,720
It is.
>> Is the roof being done?

528
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,240
» The roof does not need to be done. The
roof is The roof [clears throat] I've

529
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:40,800
had someone look at. He looked at it.
>> Um, a couple other The roof is fine.

530
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,560
» Yeah, it's
>> Madam Chair.

531
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:50,079
» Um, due to the intermission, I wonder if
you should table this till the end and

532
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:54,960
take the next person who may be ready to
>> administer. You know, I didn't ask

533
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:56,800
Amanda and I would like Amanda to make a
comment on this as well.

534
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,400
» Okay.
>> So, um,

535
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,079
» you want to do that
>> because I know she'll have some

536
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,200
opinions.
>> All right, that would be good. I'm just

537
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,760
trying to keep things moving.
>> Absolutely. So, we can we can take your

538
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:10,960
comments right now, I think, to Yeah,
sure. If he can make it back in the next

539
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,240
couple minutes, then then we won't have
to table it.

540
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:20,320
» My comments and concerns are very
similar um to Bill Fom's.

541
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:26,240
» Um I
think that the uh size of the wood

542
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:32,640
boards that are on here is definitely
not seven in. So, I'm very interested to

543
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:39,040
see what that is going to be. Um, I'm
noticing in your drawing and

544
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:43,440
» since you said this is not exactly how
it's going to look, maybe this is going

545
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:51,200
to be different, but the gutter
>> in your original drawing is

546
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:56,880
» um an older style gutter.
We're getting we're getting um similar

547
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,560
» to the older I told them that they had
to keep the gutters.

548
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,440
» It's like a half round.
>> Yeah, but I think that they were going

549
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,119
to maybe paint them white that it looks
more

550
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:06,240
» Are they being replaced or are they
being kept?

551
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:09,440
» I don't think that I've been told that
they can't put the same gutters back up

552
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,119
once they take them down.
>> Okay. And I know you can get half half

553
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:17,280
round white. We have them on our house.
>> He can get the same ones. I mean, he can

554
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,520
get the half round. I told him that. I
mean, I am trying to keep this as

555
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:25,119
authentic as possible. You look at the
if you ever come in my house, you'll see

556
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:30,640
that not a lot has changed since the
1800s. So, I it's not in my best

557
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:35,599
interest, and I appreciate you wanting
to preserve it. It's not in my best I

558
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:40,960
don't want to make it modern. Um, but I
do need to fix the siding.

559
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:46,079
So yeah, my the the remainder of my
comment is just that I have the exact

560
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:56,160
same concerns as Bill with the trim
pieces, the fascia, the roof line,

561
00:38:50,480 --> 00:39:03,200
um the um window trim, making sure all
of that keeps its character

562
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:08,320
um and just isn't turned into flat. Um
we don't want to do that. I promise you.

563
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,119
Um,
but one question I have and this is just

564
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:16,800
a question. I'm curious as to why you
prefer the 4 in to the 7 in. Is it just

565
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,320
because it's
>> what it's is there a historical

566
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:23,920
significance to that?
>> Absolutely.

567
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:29,599
» I think it goes to the scale of the
structure scales of the structure is

568
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,359
small. So to have these big
>> Okay.

569
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:38,480
wide boards. Uh me doesn't.
>> And if you look, you can't really tell

570
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:42,560
from this photo, but maybe you can a
little bit. If you look at the bottom of

571
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,960
the house, a lot of this is painted
concrete

572
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,359
» in the front.
>> Oh, yeah.

573
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,432
» It's not even boards.
>> Up to the wind. Yeah. Up to almost the

574
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:54,240
top of the window.
[clears throat]

575
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:59,760
» Here he comes. [laughter]
>> Pretty fast.

576
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:04,599
» Start here. Start here and see.
So they're going to go over that with

577
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,599
siding.

578
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,040
» It's hard to tell.
>> So there's it looks like it's been

579
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,800
changed in certain areas. So certain
parts of the house are 5 and 1/2 in.

580
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,200
» Certain parts of the house are 4 and 12
in.

581
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:23,839
» And some have overlap, some are just
completely flat.

582
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:27,119
» So if you look at this area here,
>> looks like there's bondo behind it. I

583
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,320
don't know what was going on.
>> Concrete block. What's that?

584
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,720
» She said
the same

585
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,640
» in the bottom of the front. Some of it
looks like it was just

586
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,760
» at the very bottom. But here you see the
side material.

587
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,720
» Yep. That's right here somewhere. I took
the picture

588
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:48,320
» and then right above the window that's
where it goes like 4 and 12 is

589
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:54,079
» on the right on the left side of the
house. 4 and 12 in about there.

590
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,200
» It's 4 and 12 in block down here. Just
ask.

591
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,079
» What is this?
>> Is that artifact?

592
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,800
» This is flush almost.
>> It's just flush.

593
00:41:02,828 --> 00:41:07,520
[clears throat]
>> Yeah.

594
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,960
» I think I would call it four [laughter]
and a half, but I would

595
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,520
» return.
That's what I would

596
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,960
» deciding. Sounds pretty good. You can
get any

597
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:23,520
» 4 and 12 in. We'll have William pay the
difference to go from [laughter]

598
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:28,079
12 in.
>> I'm joking.

599
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,440
» It's funny.
>> Um,

600
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,440
» well,

601
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,319
have you seen the red color in real in
real life?

602
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:43,319
» Yeah, he has it here.
>> Okay.

603
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,319
All right. Let's take a look at that.

604
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,440
If it's not the color that you that you
guys are approving, this does come in

605
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,760
primerred as well.
>> Then you have to paint the entire house

606
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,560
afterwards.
>> Yeah,

607
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:07,760
» it's so hard to tell if that little
sample looks brown [laughter]

608
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:14,440
» to me. I'm struggling with country lane
red, but it is not the vibrant red

609
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,440
that's obviously

610
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:26,800
So,
>> it won't be a red house.

611
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:32,480
» It's going to be a brown house.
>> Be gray like we approved before gray,

612
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:35,200
» but that was paint be changed.
>> Okay.

613
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:38,960
» So, the permanent color of this house
will be basically a brown red color.

614
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:45,040
» Whatever that color is,
>> the country red

615
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:50,249
» brown red. Any comments on that?
>> I mean, I wish it was more vibrant

616
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:53,760
personally, but I don't know like
[snorts]

617
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,520
um comments.
>> I like the gray that we proved before.

618
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:00,720
» You like the gray, but isn't that take
away from the little red schoolhouse?

619
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,680
» This takes away from the little red
schoolhouse. This is a brown red. It's

620
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:05,599
not the bright vibrant red that was
there.

621
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:10,079
» So, you would prefer the gray?
Personally, considering I have a gray

622
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,680
house, considering I already have a gray
house, so I'm biased.

623
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,960
» Well, is your house a historic house?
>> It's right down the street. Yeah.

624
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,079
» Okay. Because there's a lot of houses
that are gray and the red is most She

625
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,839
makes a valid point.
>> Most of this panel is is gray house in

626
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,079
the village. So,
>> there's a lot of gray houses. So, we're

627
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:34,079
trying to keep
>> I understand that. Um, you have comments

628
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:38,319
on the color? Sorry. Yeah, it's it's
it's a little red schoolhouse and it's

629
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:43,040
not a red schoolhouse
>> with that siding on it with that color.

630
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,520
» Does Hardy make other reds?
>> That's the only red

631
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,480
» is the only red option
>> in the smooth option.

632
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,319
» Is there a red option in smooth primer
and then painted paint?

633
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,240
» Can hard can hardy be painted.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

634
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,040
» But then do I have to
>> That was the second option. You can get

635
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,720
it in primer. [clears throat] And do I
have to keep paying?

636
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,560
» This is primary
10ear warranty.

637
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:09,520
» Yeah, they reduce the warranty.
>> I thought there was two.

638
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,599
» Anyone else have comments on the color
while we're while that's on the table?

639
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,520
Party with a whole bunch of different
colors. And there's another red.

640
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,520
» Oh, no. It doesn't

641
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:25,920
change.
>> But then you paint

642
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,319
it at this point.
>> I know. I know. But like I

643
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:33,800
» cuz this would be a permanent
>> to me. This is such a landmark.

644
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,800
» But it's a color

645
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:40,000
change.
>> It's a color change.

646
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:46,160
» We typically don't
>> we don't we don't um

647
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:50,640
» we don't but it's it's the permanence of
the it's the permanence of the color

648
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:55,040
that allows us to not really have an
opinion on that.

649
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,160
» Right. The last changeability.
I know that someone told me that there

650
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,720
was like basic party
>> so they could Okay.

651
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:12,240
» Tell tell me about
>> I understand the whole cost factor of

652
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:17,119
this. This is an extremely expensive
project and one that you hope lasts

653
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:21,119
» maybe forever while you're in your house
and I I appreciate that.

654
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:26,880
» Um
>> I really appreciate that. What kind of

655
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:31,280
additional expense would there be if you
are painting

656
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:36,800
the Hardy board with with a similar
color as opposed to picking a brown red?

657
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:39,920
» How much more expensive would that be?
>> Again, we don't normally get into

658
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,200
painting ourselves, but I can definitely
look into it.

659
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,960
» Okay.
>> I can also look into it and see if Hardy

660
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,760
does a customization color.
>> Okay.

661
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,520
» That they can preaint it at the factory
ahead of time. So,

662
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,319
» let alone the what William was saying
that four and a half inch reveal.

663
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,560
» Yeah.
>> Um, so the real reveal is four and a

664
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,240
half inch
much wider.

665
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,440
» If it's going to be that much more
expensive, I'm not going to I'll just do

666
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:08,240
the gray.
I'm not going to spend twice the I can't

667
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:13,839
It's either keep it as it is or do it
gray and white, which you approved last

668
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:19,359
year.
it. I I from my own personal experience,

669
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,079
it was cheaper to get it from the
factory because they have to touch it up

670
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,520
when they install things anyway and they
have to prime the seams of anything they

671
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:28,800
cut and they still are having to go
through and touch up all the paint

672
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,319
because yes, it comes from the factory,
but then it gets dinged. So there's

673
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,160
still painting involved, right? Even if
you install it versus getting the exact

674
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,920
color that if the color there you really
like and want to preserve and it's from

675
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:43,119
it's less money to get the material from
the factory because all they're going

676
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,480
through is doing prime and not doing the
painting step afterwards and then you

677
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,160
have a company that whoever can paint it
because there's a lot of painting

678
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,760
companies.
>> So you are going to get the material a

679
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
little less cost. So you are going to
save some there because it's not going

680
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,839
to be prepainted,
>> right?

681
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,880
» And so then now you have to have a
painter come and paint the house, right?

682
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,359
Yeah.
So

683
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:08,800
you can understand like we're we have we
have concerns about the color. Um and I

684
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:11,839
think if there's a reasonable solution
>> to get a color as close as possible to

685
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,640
this
>> it only because this house

686
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,200
» is is sort of a landmark in this town
and it's right at the doorstep of

687
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:23,119
Franklin.
>> You guys approved the gray and white.

688
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:28,880
Why would you not approve this country
red? The gray and white wasn't

689
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:36,400
preserving anything. So there with paint
color when you paint existing siding it

690
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:41,839
can be changed again. With Hardy board
that's a permanent color.

691
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,079
» So it's a little bit different than
approve the gray. He Well

692
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:45,760
» he likes gray.
>> He likes gray. I like gray.

693
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,920
» He likes gray.
>> But I'm not speaking for the entire

694
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,319
council up here. Right.
>> No. I understand that.

695
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:56,640
» I don't like the I don't like the red.
>> He likes the gray cardboard

696
00:47:53,440 --> 00:48:00,560
» of my least worst options. Like red for
me personally is here. Gray is above

697
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,640
that. Primed and you're painting it with
the red color that matches is my first

698
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,359
choice. I'm just trying to find
>> an avenue to help you out to get what

699
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,760
you want. Right.
>> Right.

700
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,520
» If you go if she does gray, it's going
to be seven.

701
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,040
» No, I think we still want four.
>> Or it's still going to be four.

702
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:23,680
» Yeah.
>> Okay. That's why I making sure

703
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:28,160
» we preced the gray color
already. What it is? That's why you just

704
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:30,160
went a year ago because it wasn't hardy.
>> It wasn't hard,

705
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,160
» right?
>> It was what? And I don't remember being

706
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,839
at that meeting, but I don't remember
that one either.

707
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:40,160
» I read about it later.
>> Okay. Um,

708
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:46,480
» so this is this is sort of the consensus
that I I feel like is evolving up here,

709
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:52,960
which is the the Hardy board siding
should be the 4 in 4 and 1/2 in size um

710
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:59,520
to closely match what's on the house.
Now, the smaller

711
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:05,200
um structure. Um our preference would be
that the house

712
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:13,599
color be as close to what it is right
now. Um this school, you know,

713
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:18,480
schoolhouse red. Um if you can order
that product in a custom color, that

714
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:23,040
makes sense.
Um, and that's

715
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,079
I feel like we could approve that
tonight if you can get those elements

716
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:30,800
together and that's acceptable to you in
terms of

717
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,640
» So if I get those together, I don't have
to come back to October for that piece.

718
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,960
» Trim,
>> I think so.

719
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,559
» Trim,
>> not the trim. No, no, no. Just so if he

720
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:48,800
says to me, I can get the 4 and 1/2 in
board in schoolhouse red. Yes.

721
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,359
» And it's going to cost X more. And I
say, okay, he can go ahead and order

722
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,839
that.
>> Yes.

723
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,880
» Okay. And then we still need to come
back in October.

724
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,520
» I'm just taking notes.
>> Yes.

725
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,040
» Um with
>> you understand what they want with the

726
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:06,800
trim with the trim list and examples of
the trim list. Now, when you say trim

727
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:11,760
list and doors, what do you what do you
want for the doors? You want pictures of

728
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:14,480
the doors or
>> Yes. pictures of the doors.

729
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,040
» What you want? Okay.
>> Uh, will they be painted white as well?

730
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,480
» Yes.
>> Cut sheets.

731
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:23,520
» Cut sheets. Is that what you call them?
>> That's what he said.

732
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,359
» I got a spec sheet of all that.
>> So, real quick question. So, I didn't

733
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:30,960
put a lot of that other stuff together
where Alexis gave you some of the

734
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,839
information. I think it was a pre uh
previous contractor, correct? Yeah, it

735
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,599
was kind of
>> I will I will have more details of spec

736
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:42,720
sheet of what exactly we're doing.
>> Um, why is this changing by the way? Do

737
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:47,440
you gutters, we got windows, we got
window trim, doors, siding.

738
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,440
» I did this spec sheet my I did this
myself. Yep.

739
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,280
» He wasn't involved.
>> No, it's just more what else is being

740
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,200
modified.
>> No windows.

741
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,079
» Yeah. Yeah. But gutters are being
modified or replaced.

742
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,480
» Removed and replaced.
>> So, and you're proposing a half round

743
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:05,680
white gutter.
>> This? Now I'm doing five five inch

744
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:10,160
gutter with 2x3 down spouts
>> just even like the neighbor's house next

745
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,040
door and a couple other ones.
>> Does that match what's on the house now?

746
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,640
» That does not match.
>> Oh, I thought we were doing the same

747
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:19,640
gutter. So,
um

748
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:27,880
» we don't have a proposal, right?
>> No.

749
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,880
» Yeah. Nothing

750
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,119
taken down preserved.
>> Yeah.

751
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:37,520
» Anything can be preserved. Now becomes
an issue if it leaks afterwards. Not to

752
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:41,359
for it because I put it back on and
removed it and put it back on.

753
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,359
» So even when we do any houses, even if I
do a brand new house and if I remove

754
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,920
existing gutters and put it back, if it
leaks, I take full accountability now

755
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,480
cuz I fixed it.
>> But we know that

756
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,160
» right,
>> majority companies are not going to take

757
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:57,680
liability for that. and somebody wants
to sign off on it and you got an issue

758
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,680
about the week and I don't want to deal
with that.

759
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,720
» All these other things we can't approve
the campaign,

760
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:05,760
» right? Okay. So, I mean the application
Yeah. Go ahead,

761
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,319
» please.
>> No, what I was going to say is, you

762
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:15,440
know, what's in front of us today is
replace existing wood siding with James

763
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Hardy fiber cement siding that closely
replicates the appearance, profile,

764
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,680
scale, and character. This that's what's
technically in front of us today. So,

765
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,200
just to make your life easier, when you
come back here, which you're going to

766
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,480
have to come back here for all of the
trim work,

767
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,200
» okay?
>> Um, you need to you need to have the cut

768
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:37,520
sheets. Is that what they're called?
>> Cut sheets.

769
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:41,200
» And if you have examples,
bring those, too. Okay. If you have

770
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:46,400
examples of the the pieces that are
going to go on on the home, bring those,

771
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:50,240
too. Okay. If if they're available, and
I think you said some of them might be

772
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:53,040
available. Okay. Bring what's available
>> and gutters.

773
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:57,200
» The gutters.
>> Bring a plan for the gutters. Um there

774
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,520
are half round gutters on the home right
now. They're white

775
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:04,319
» and
>> No. Well, right now they're not white.

776
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,480
» Okay. They're galvanized metal.
>> They're just

777
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:11,280
» they're silver. Okay.
>> Um then if you want to keep that color,

778
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,559
I guess that's that's fine.
>> But we would paint them white. You would

779
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:20,000
paint white. Okay. So, you want you
would do would you agree to do the half

780
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:24,319
round style of gutter? Yes. I mean, if
we can get it

781
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:29,280
» requesting that we'll have to do
>> I think to replace um in kind is is

782
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,319
generally what we
>> Yeah.

783
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,200
» Okay.
>> Okay.

784
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,640
» On the front on the front door, the back
door and the garage door, side door.

785
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,800
» Do you need to see the back door and the
garage side door? That's just a

786
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,280
question. That's fine.
>> So, that garage door has been changed.

787
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:44,800
It's a steel door.
>> Yeah, we need a chunk out of it.

788
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,200
» So, someone's already replaced it.
Whether approved or not approved,

789
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:51,359
someone's already changed it from way
back. Bring the bring the examples of

790
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:55,040
the bring photos of the doors and the
the manufacturer,

791
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:59,200
» the color,
>> cut sheets,

792
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:03,040
» the cut sheets, and this will make this
process go so much faster than kind of

793
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:09,599
talking about what we're going to try to
do, what we may may do, etc. um because

794
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,880
we just we just we're we're in a sort of
a bad position here where we we're

795
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,119
trying to envision what you're putting
out there and we just don't have

796
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,680
examples in front of us and we're we're
trying to be

797
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:28,240
» we try to be efficient with your time
and you know get you on going on your

798
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:34,559
project. So um so if you can get the 4in
Hardy plane

799
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,480
with no grooves. Oh, plane. Is that what
he The smooth

800
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,040
» smooth.
>> Can we do a motion or

801
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,000
» we Yeah.
>> So, you think, and I'm asking your

802
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,720
opinion. You think the smooth You're an
architect. You think the smooth is going

803
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:50,720
to be prettier than the wood grain?
>> That's my I'm just Then I would do the

804
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:53,520
smooth. I don't have a problem doing the
>> pictures of it smooth.

805
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,640
» Okay.
>> I don't think I've ever done otherwise.

806
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,760
» Okay.
>> There's a lot of examples right in the

807
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,800
historic district
>> where it's smooth.

808
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:07,680
» Okay.
So, in my professional opinion, I'm not

809
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,319
trying to disagree with you, but just
using my eyes,

810
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:17,920
the existing siding bear is not smooth.
But if you want smooth, we'll do smooth.

811
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:22,559
» Are you replacing that sighting
>> for a reason?

812
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:27,359
» The reason being that it's rotted.
>> Yeah.

813
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:30,160
that it's it's um peeling, it's
blistering,

814
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:35,599
» and you want to replace it with
something that replicates that.

815
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:39,520
» That's my question.
>> I wouldn't want it I wouldn't want to

816
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:41,839
replicate something that I find inferior
that I'm trying to get rid of.

817
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,680
» I like smooth,
>> right? [laughter] Smooth is good. Smooth

818
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,960
is good. Smooth
>> should be less costly, too.

819
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,160
» Four. Four. It comes in four inch side
width. There's different sizes, but I'll

820
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:54,960
definitely check to see. Our whole thing
with the wood is that it's like a faux

821
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,559
wood. It's like replicated to look old.
And like Laura Laura was saying, that's

822
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,400
what we try to
>> veer away from are materials that are

823
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,640
trying to look historic.
>> So is the smooth going to look more

824
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,799
modern in your eyes.
>> It's going to look like wood.

825
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:12,480
» Clean.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

826
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,079
» It should it should look like wood like
wood.

827
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,400
» Okay.
>> Exciting. Well,

828
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,760
» yeah.
The wood that was there with new wood,

829
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,559
it would be smooth.
>> It would be smooth.

830
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:25,359
» Okay. I'm fine with that.
>> Like any

831
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,640
» So, we need to make a motion
>> to approve what we've approved for you

832
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,720
tonight. Okay.
>> So, don't leave yet.

833
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,880
» Okay.
>> Um, who's going to tackle this one?

834
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,599
» Well, it's just a silent, right?
>> I'll

835
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,760
Okay. You want to tackle it?
>> I'll try to help to approve the motion

836
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,839
of what they're requesting.
>> Uh,

837
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:46,160
» start with the address. Just the
address.

838
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,200
» He wasn't in the roll call. So, does he
need to state that he's here before he

839
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:52,079
» Oh, you have to state that you're here
because you weren't here for roll call.

840
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,839
» Okay.
>> My name's Rand.

841
00:56:53,760 --> 00:57:01,520
» I wrote you in.
>> He is here for the minute. [laughter]

842
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:05,319
Uh,
>> guess I better pull it

843
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:20,240
» for 32310 Franklin Road. uh James Hardy
sighting

844
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:28,559
uh to approve the James Hardy sighting
to be firehouse schoolhouse red in color

845
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:35,200
to replicate the existing uh scale at uh
approximately 4 in sighting.

846
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:40,440
Uh the trim and window the trim and
doors are not included as approval.

847
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:48,640
» Um you should specify that it's a smooth
James Hardy.

848
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,079
» It's a smooth smooth James Hardy
sighting.

849
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:54,000
» Mhm.
>> Uh

850
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:59,839
to be either provided in in the
schoolhouse red color or to be provided

851
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:05,680
in prime to be painted.
Anything else?

852
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:09,280
» Um, just that it um should be you said
this to the scale, but the you said it

853
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,440
comes in a 4 inch.
>> They have different reveals. Yes.

854
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,079
» Okay.
>> So, I'll try to find out if they have

855
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,160
the four and a half. I know they have
the three. I know they have the two.

856
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,079
» Okay.
>> So, I have to double check if they have.

857
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,799
» So, if they don't have a four and a
half, would you be fine with four or

858
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,160
three and a half?
>> Or I should let you I should come back

859
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,720
to the next meeting and let you know.
>> Well, some of that I just took a

860
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:34,400
picture. Some of it's four and a half
and some of it's five and a half. So,

861
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,559
I I think if it's between four and five
that's probably okay.

862
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,079
» Four or five.
>> I think the standard is four.

863
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,359
» Standard is four according to Mr.
Finick. So

864
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,400
» you should probably be able to find a 4
in

865
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,799
» reveal board. Color call schoolhouse
red. I just want to make sure that we

866
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,480
don't do
>> I'm just going to take I'm going to

867
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,240
break off a piece.
>> Try to color match it.

868
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,559
» Right.
>> Okay.

869
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,240
» Okay. So I think we have the motion.
Secretary of Interior standard

870
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:02,799
» second
>> and you have to say what secretary of

871
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:06,839
the interior standard that most closely
it's probably number nine.

872
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,400
Um look on

873
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:21,440
» exterior alterations
>> that that these um approvals are

874
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,720
consistent with
>> these approvals are consistent with

875
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,520
» the secretary of the interior standard
number

876
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,280
» standard number nine.
>> Okay.

877
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,160
» Painting and colors.
>> Okay.

878
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:34,720
» I'll second.
>> Everyone in favor.

879
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:38,319
» I Okay.
>> Oh, that was

880
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:44,640
» Thank you. Who second it? Hi.
>> This is their seconded it.

881
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:49,520
» All right. Thank you. These are yours.
>> We appreciate your time today and

882
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,839
» your willingness to work with us.
>> Appreciate it.

883
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:09,119
» All right. Um
All right.

884
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:13,599
Next on the agenda for new business,
thank you for waiting tonight

885
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:19,599
32716
to 32744 Franklin Road facade

886
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:24,079
renovations. The applicants are here.
The applicant is here. Um, can you

887
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:27,079
please come up and discuss your project,
please?

888
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,680
» Is this not working?
>> I have no idea.

889
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:39,440
» Okay.
>> Last time it came off of that computer.

890
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:44,079
Yeah, Evan is the one who usually kind
of harder to manages that. I don't know

891
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:45,599
everything about it.
>> You're being heaven tonight. What's

892
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,960
going on?
>> I send everything electronically. So,

893
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:53,079
» yeah, it's okay.
>> It heaven.

894
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,280
» So, I mean, we've all met before.
>> We have. Welcome back.

895
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,960
» We're very excited about your project.
>> I know.

896
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,042
» I I hope so. I'm a little
>> Yes.

897
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,062
We're excited about your feedback.
[laughter]

898
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,647
» Don't say that. Yeah.
[laughter]

899
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:20,720
» With the fact that I thought we
incorporated a lot of what you told us

900
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:25,440
last time again with, you know,
revealing comments to keep the original

901
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:29,920
materials where you can, you know, all
the historical significance. I mean, the

902
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,520
we made some changes. We truly did
listen to what we said. We made some,

903
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:38,559
you know, incorporate them. The biggest
things that we're doing right is we are

904
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:42,880
going to replace the roof as essentially
last time to the original bridge with

905
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:48,079
the black shingles. The great news for
us is we only actually have to replace

906
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:52,960
half of the roof. So um that original
piece which is the north side of the

907
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:58,000
roof can stay. It's not we took we put
everything down on the inside. It's not

908
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,760
uh rotting as bad as the other side. So
that part can stay. Um it actually makes

909
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,359
it more complicated for us. We're trying
to put the things together. We've been

910
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:10,079
working with the structural engineer and
architect for the last six weeks to try

911
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:14,960
and get it straight. So we'll be
replacing um just the south side of the

912
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:21,040
roof. This the south half of it. Again,
same pitch in the front, improve

913
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:25,359
shingles, same look and feel. Um the
second, you know, biggest element is

914
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:29,839
that we intend to just restore um the
brick on the outside now. We just want

915
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:35,359
to kind of restore it to historical
beauty if possible. Um we will replace

916
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:38,960
the windows and doors, you know, as
closely as possible wood, but again, you

917
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:44,400
know, things are rotting, they need to
be replaced. Um and then the other big

918
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:47,520
change is that we just want to
replace kind of the back repaint the

919
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,280
back half of the building right now,
which is cinder block. Um we just want

920
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:55,200
to paint it, our intention is to paint
it sort of the navy blue.

921
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:59,040
So brick in the front, navy blue in the
back. That said, again, I know you've

922
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:03,760
looked at what's there and so I think
we're sort of just ready to field

923
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,480
» you have some questions
>> questions in the comments.

924
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:11,520
» Fire away.
>> Okay. So, for me, the easy part for me

925
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,160
on this project is the paint colors. I
think they're great.

926
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:19,039
» I think they're appropriate. I think
they make sense with the with the

927
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:25,760
project. So, um for me, that's the
easiest part. I know that there there

928
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:30,960
are a few exterior changes that um many
of the commissioners here have uh

929
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:36,960
comments and concerns about and Amanda
um our liaison, our historical liaison

930
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:41,760
uh consultant
has also has some concerns about some of

931
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:46,880
the proposed changes on the outside and
um she consults with us about

932
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:51,760
compliance with you know the secretary
of interior rules that we have to comply

933
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:57,680
by. Oh, comply with sorry. So, I don't
know who wants to get the ball rolling

934
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:04,559
um on any of the structural or window
changes or other changes that are here

935
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:09,200
uh in terms of asking some questions,
but we can Mr. Pinum, do you want to

936
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:13,359
start or Amanda, do you want to put some
of your concerns out there first?

937
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:19,359
» Honestly, I think you guys should start.
Okay. Yeah. And then if like if I have

938
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:24,240
anything to add on I mostly sent you
this because there were so many things

939
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:29,760
different things they wanted to do that
I wanted to break everyone out so that

940
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:35,680
you knew that there were this many
>> right different things to approve

941
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:40,160
» like each one of those needs to be
approved. So, let's talk about the paint

942
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:44,880
colors first, just because I think
that's probably the easiest part of this

943
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:46,960
» of this project. I don't know people
have thoughts on that.

944
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:51,280
» I think they're great.
>> I think they're great.

945
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:54,079
» Okay. Yeah. Anyone? No. Good. Okay. I
think we're we're in agreement on your

946
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,799
paint color. So,
>> thank you.

947
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,960
» Hooray. Um unless
>> we're out of here.

948
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,359
» Stripping. Okay. [laughter] Uh
>> oh. Okay.

949
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:04,319
» Well, we'll go with stripping the brick
and then

950
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:07,039
» how to protect it and seal it.
>> We haven't talked about that one yet.

951
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:11,200
We're just talking about the paint on
the on the wood part, right?

952
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:17,680
» Yeah. And the block and the block part.
Oh, the block part. Yeah.

953
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:24,000
» I have some basic background questions.
Forgive me. I'm new, so maybe everybody

954
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:27,839
else was here the last time you came.
I take it you're Andrew.

955
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:34,400
» I am Andrew.
>> Steve Car. I'm her partner.

956
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,880
» Steve. Okay. Um.
>> Yeah.

957
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:42,240
I see that the entire southern half of
the roof is being replaced.

958
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,119
» Yes.
>> Is there the reason for that?

959
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,200
» It's rotting.
>> It's a rotted

960
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:52,880
» and it's not decode. I mean, it's
literally a part.

961
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:57,359
» So, it's not the entire southern uh
we've had a structural engineer come in.

962
01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:02,000
We've gutted the inside. We've been able
to take a look at what we need to. So,

963
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:06,799
you're right that the southern half, but
it's not it's not going all the way to

964
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:11,119
the back. It's just to uh
>> of the restaurant portion

965
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:18,319
» of the restaurant portion, but not the
entire restaurant portion. The uh

966
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:20,880
» it's being made higher.
>> Sorry.

967
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,640
» It's being made higher.
>> It is inside.

968
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,160
» So the roof the roof I we talked about
last time and

969
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:31,200
» actually it's like
>> we had a right

970
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:35,920
» and then back but not the flat piece.
>> This table remain the same. In the back

971
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:40,880
we have to raise a little bit.
>> We approved that last time, right?

972
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:42,960
» Okay.
>> We did approve it last time.

973
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,720
» Did you approve it last time?
>> Yeah, we approved. We approved it.

974
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,280
» We could move forward with the roof as
long as we didn't change the front

975
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,960
facade. Right.
>> So really, this is about the facade

976
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,599
» is approved.
>> Yes.

977
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,839
» We didn't approve anything at that
meeting. We didn't make a motion. There

978
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:05,760
was no application. We just we just
fielded their they got they got comments

979
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:08,880
from us as they went before
>> it was a drop in

980
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:13,599
» that it was those two sheets of drop in
that came in last time that got added

981
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:15,440
without applications. Was that um
>> the change order?

982
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:20,079
» You didn't make a motion.
>> No, that's right.

983
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:26,720
» Cuz that was last meeting, right? So, we
were instructed to bring an application

984
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:32,079
and my understanding with the
conversation I had with Bill was that we

985
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:36,000
could move forward with that roof
replacement

986
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:39,440
» as long as the E did not change
>> as long as we didn't change the the look

987
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:44,319
of
>> Yep.

988
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:46,000
» I which work has not been started yet
because we've had to go through a

989
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,480
process.
>> So, as long as you're repairing it that

990
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:53,200
that was We always knew we can't repair
it. So, we came here saying we needed to

991
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:57,760
replace it.
>> We knew it's I I don't want to replace

992
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:01,440
it. Believe me, I'm very very sure you
don't have to code. It's Alex, you

993
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:05,039
walked in there.
>> I was inside. Yeah.

994
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:08,640
» I don't want to replace.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. Okay.

995
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:12,559
» So, what were we going to say?
>> Yeah. What were you going to say?

996
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:18,960
» Well, I just needed the background and I
Is there anything else that I missed?

997
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:24,560
Well, I went and reviewed it after the
meeting. They have opened up the inside.

998
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:30,400
The
It's quite a building. It's been added

999
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:36,080
to I can't tell you how many times cuz
some parts of it have steel beams, wood

1000
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:40,880
beams. There's probably 10 different
roof pitches to places that I don't

1001
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:46,239
understand why they ever built it that
way. [clears throat] But the part that

1002
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:53,040
Steve and I went over was that portion
that was discussed the last meeting and

1003
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:55,520
that part was rotted. I mean to the
point where

1004
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,480
» it was structural
>> safe.

1005
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:02,719
» I questioned it structural integrity at
this point.

1006
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:07,679
» Yeah. So I did tell them they need to
get started on that part of it, the

1007
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:14,400
structural part with the understanding
nothing's being touched on the front

1008
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:20,159
side, street side, and that any minimal
change in the pitch to get that water to

1009
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:24,560
run off of that roof was really
necessary pursuant to their architect's

1010
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,319
recommendation.
It it had roofs that went to each other

1011
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:32,560
and there was nothing but a big puddle
up there. Well, flat roof, you know,

1012
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:36,400
Bill, it leaks like a sib when that
happens. And it's been leaking in there

1013
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:41,600
for years.
>> I mean, I can't tell you how gross the

1014
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:44,239
color of that wood looked that I was
looking at. It was It was bad.

1015
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:51,679
» It is bad.
>> So, um, yes, they did start in that area

1016
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:56,800
that I understood from the previous
discussion,

1017
01:09:53,359 --> 01:10:00,880
albeit they didn't have application. We
haven't we haven't proceeded. We haven't

1018
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,920
proceeded from that point. We we just
wanted to make sure in that last time

1019
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:08,400
that we were here
>> that you guys would allow us to. We're

1020
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:12,239
not changing the facade. But in the
meantime, for 2 months, we've had

1021
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:16,159
structural engineers and architects.
We're going about it the right way and

1022
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:20,080
trying to make sure that any changes and
and in that discovery, we don't have to

1023
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:28,640
replace the entire roof, just half of
it. Um so we're continuing to to find

1024
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:34,560
out. Um I and we are to the point uh
where our architect is finalizing how

1025
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,560
we're going to make that roof as as
structural, you know, in the final

1026
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:42,960
steps, but we've already thought that we
were to the point where our contractor

1027
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:47,520
is going to be able to to start
proceeding with that. They're really

1028
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,640
thinking the concentration of this was
the facade.

1029
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:55,920
» Mhm.
Well,

1030
01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:00,719
that roof since
it's almost not visible is barely within

1031
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:07,360
our purview, but right
>> it's the

1032
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:10,640
the parapit that is concealing it.
>> Correct.

1033
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:15,199
» So, we have to decide if we accept the
premise that it has to have a new roof

1034
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,320
and if so, then it has to have a higher
parapit.

1035
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,320
» Correct.
>> Or par sidewall and parap.

1036
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:29,280
» Mhm.
And I can accept those. I can accept

1037
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:33,679
both premises. I I would
think

1038
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:38,880
that, you know, you're eliminating some
of the character from the existing

1039
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:43,120
profile of the parap. Now, it comes up
and down. You know,

1040
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,120
» we can mimic the character if we go
higher.

1041
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,760
» It's been very,
>> it's been simplified.

1042
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:56,880
And it might be that it
You could add

1043
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:58,719
another step or so in the front.
>> Let me get that picture out that shows

1044
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:03,040
this.
>> And it's this one.

1045
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:07,920
» It's this one right here.
>> This one right here where they lose one

1046
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:16,560
step. So that So what you're saying is
either it goes this way like that

1047
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:19,360
» or we're eliminating two drop downs.
>> Yeah.

1048
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,760
» Yeah. These just looks now.
>> Um

1049
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,280
» I don't know if you can get all the way
down

1050
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,280
» these two.
>> Yeah.

1051
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,480
» To that front one or not, but if you
could get

1052
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:33,199
» to there.
>> I wish we I wish we had this blown up

1053
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,920
» so everyone
with that yellow line.

1054
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:39,920
» Yeah.
>> So anything above that yellow line, we

1055
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:43,280
can drop it down to that yellow line.
It's just that roof is going to come

1056
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:48,080
come at an angle and we just want to
protect how it looks from from the side.

1057
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:54,560
That's what apparently it is.
>> Does your new roof have to go to the

1058
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:59,040
peak of the manard?
>> Well, in order for us to maintain the

1059
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:03,600
appearance from the road,
>> then we want to keep this peak so it

1060
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:08,480
doesn't change the street side.
>> But it can be lower, right? You could

1061
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,960
» still want to keep a pitch so when it
meets up with this second this other

1062
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,080
roof,
>> then then it's able to drain the water

1063
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:19,679
off,
>> right? So maybe the more pitch that I

1064
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:24,960
can have to to
>> allow that that access that

1065
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:29,600
» I understand. I'm thinking if you could
pick up

1066
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:34,159
» 8 in or one step in this brick, but that
and that's the other question I have. Is

1067
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:39,679
this the structural clay tile that you
say has been painted and you're going to

1068
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,640
uh expose?
>> Is that what this orange stuff is or is

1069
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,040
that correct?
>> Red brick.

1070
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,960
» That's brick. That's
>> that's the red brick. Everything that's

1071
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:52,560
indicated as red brick is what is red
brick. Now we just want to peel like 15

1072
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,000
layers of paint.
>> A lot of

1073
01:13:54,080 --> 01:14:01,880
» Okay. Well, there is a mention of some
kind of tile

1074
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,880
» or some kind of a

1075
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,560
interpreted tile when it was actually
brick.

1076
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:12,800
» It was brick. The front I hit the write
up said brick. I think it's

1077
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,880
» it's going to be [sighs]
>> it's going to be cleaned off.

1078
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:20,199
» Yeah, it's burnt.
>> And have you brick and center while

1079
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,199
you're cleaning that off?

1080
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:24,600
» It says burnt clay. Brick

1081
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,000
» I thought structural clay.
>> Yep.

1082
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:32,000
» And then cinder block.
>> Yeah.

1083
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:38,080
» Have you said how you're going to clean
it?

1084
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:45,440
» We haven't determined exactly how yet.
Um I think that my contractor had talked

1085
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:49,199
about soft sand blasting. My concern is
because the brick is so brittle that

1086
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:56,480
it'll deteriorate it. Right.
>> So my suggestion is chemically.

1087
01:14:53,440 --> 01:15:02,480
» Yeah. there. Um, I'd say sand blasting
is not an option because it takes away

1088
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:04,640
the quarter of an inch of the surface
and makes it totally porous and then the

1089
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:08,800
rest of
>> I think as old as that bird would take

1090
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:13,480
off more than
>> um Okay. Um,

1091
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:24,000
I think you should
um for your own benefit

1092
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:29,199
indication how to do that properly.
or it'll be a bigger problem.

1093
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:32,080
But um that would be my recommendation
on the

1094
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:39,840
» what deterioration occurs through the
exposure will be replaced with

1095
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:43,920
uh red brick with comparable red brick.
>> Can I ask a question? What do you guys

1096
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:48,400
need approved out of this massive amount
of stuff tonight

1097
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:53,040
» versus that parapit wall that he
addressed first because we need to move

1098
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:56,640
forward with the roof. So, if we gave if
we were able to give you approval or we

1099
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:00,320
talk through the parapit roof and figure
out if it's going up to get an extra

1100
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:04,560
step or we're modifying the front of it
in the paint color, that's at least two

1101
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,800
things off your like 30 item list. I'll
tell you what,

1102
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:15,520
» if we could get the parapit wall and be
able to proceed with the roof and then

1103
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,480
more helpful suggestions so we don't
come in here blind.

1104
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:22,480
» We're we're just coming in and showing
you what we'd like to do. We bought we

1105
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:25,520
bought a we bought a the worst building
you have in in the village. [laughter]

1106
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,120
» I'm sure there's worse.
>> I can I can commute with you in mine.

1107
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,800
» Come on down. Bill's been there. Come on
down.

1108
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,440
» Mine was pretty bad. So
>> you're you're gray and hard to make

1109
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,760
something.
>> No, we're here to help you through this.

1110
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:41,360
» And we don't want to waste, like I said
before, we don't want to waste your time

1111
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:45,360
and we want to make this as efficient as
possible, but and we don't want to delay

1112
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:49,520
your project either. So maybe breaking
this up into more manageable chunks and

1113
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,719
we can discuss the paraped and the roof
tonight and just

1114
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:56,400
» but you also know that when you do a
project

1115
01:16:53,120 --> 01:17:01,360
» but when you say as many multiple
as the multiple issues I mean we're

1116
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:06,400
talking about four walls and we're only
changing one.

1117
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:10,560
» The roof the window is taking out a
window taking out like closing that off

1118
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:14,239
is an item. What windows are you guys
using? What kind of doors are you guys

1119
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,560
using? the brick, even like clean off
the brick. There's going to be more

1120
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:21,199
things as we go through it. I'm just
trying to figure out what you guys need

1121
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:25,040
since it's already 8:17 on a Wednesday.
>> I appreciate that cuz our time's

1122
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:28,239
valuable, too. But we we were the first
on the docket and we kicked down.

1123
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:32,320
» We thought you guys were getting a
longer one. So,

1124
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:36,640
» we'd like to be because we do have a lot
of stuff. I mean, this is a big project

1125
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:39,760
» and we appreciate and we want to
>> You guys are I mean, we can try and

1126
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:45,040
hammer in all this stuff tonight. The
windows that we're proposing to take out

1127
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:49,840
are metal framed uh metal framed windows
that we'd like to replace with wood

1128
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:54,719
frame that that coincides with what your
standards are. The the the building

1129
01:17:52,159 --> 01:18:01,760
entirely, I don't know how it's gotten
as many aspects of it through this

1130
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:10,239
process, but we're genuinely trying to
uh not make it historic, but but make it

1131
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:16,080
what you want it to be. Um, there are
AC units that are just randomly stuck in

1132
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:21,040
the walls. When you go inside, now that
everything's exposed, there are door

1133
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:27,280
exterior doorways that are just boarded
up that were inside the wall. if if you

1134
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:33,760
were to take if you were to see what
what it is and what we're trying to do.

1135
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:37,920
Um there there is a lot more to it. But
um

1136
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:43,760
some the wall some of the walls that
like that parapit wall that we're like

1137
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:50,239
we'll probably want to replace the
entire wall uh and then fac and then you

1138
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:55,440
know fix the facade to match what we're
talking about. But we're still talking

1139
01:18:53,040 --> 01:19:01,120
with structural engineers to that are
letting us know there are four different

1140
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:05,440
types of of block that that wall in that
you know it's been built on and built

1141
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:11,440
on. There is a doorway that's been
sealed up and two AC units, you know,

1142
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:16,080
and the window is so randomly placed,
>> you know, it's we're we're trying to

1143
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:20,800
coincide with with what you guys want,
but we're also trying to make it as

1144
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:27,280
appealing in a building uh as we
possibly can that that suits uh what

1145
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:31,600
we're trying to to do as a business. Can
I just ask a question real quick of

1146
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:36,159
Amanda? for that front pair that this
this and the front with that top it

1147
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:40,800
seems like even what Bill brought up
there's two options for it either you ra

1148
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:44,480
so because right now it's two steps two
steps and it was going to go to two

1149
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:50,000
steps one step but the options are you
go to one step and one step and and

1150
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:54,239
raise the front brick work up or you
raise the overall structure up to go to

1151
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:58,560
two steps and two steps is there a
preferred like I don't I I don't know of

1152
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:03,040
any when this place was built what it
looked like we really have anything to

1153
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:07,280
even go back to what was there, right?
>> Original photos unless Bill Lamont has

1154
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:11,440
something
buried over there somewhere. But I

1155
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:17,520
» my my understanding is it was the
original firehouse for the villa. Like

1156
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:20,400
» I have zero information related to that.
Like no,

1157
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:23,520
» we don't either. And we've tried we've
tried to figure out [laughter]

1158
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,440
» but you can I'm I'm telling you you
could stand in you go that was that's a

1159
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:32,400
different building than this. You know,
it's it's

1160
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:35,760
some kind of shock like a and then the
other side was a auto repair, right? The

1161
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,159
first part I feel like the original
piece

1162
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:43,781
» it and then it went over and then back
back.

1163
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:47,280
» It's Yeah, speculation but similar to
[clears throat] the tin shop that was

1164
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:51,760
across the street here that was added on
to and is now a residence. It was

1165
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:56,560
probably something similar to that where
it was like a a shop like you're talking

1166
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:59,040
like they they fixed things they did
they they

1167
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,440
» tinker
>> shopped. Yeah. [laughter] And then they

1168
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:09,040
just like expanded and added and then
added some other businesses that

1169
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:13,679
complemented. That's speculating of what
the development of that bu building

1170
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:17,520
probably was. Um,
>> I would gladly go as high as you want

1171
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:22,000
with as many steps as you want on the
parapit, but I'll probably have to

1172
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:28,320
rebuild that wall. And if I if I have to
rebuild that wall, I in replacing the

1173
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:33,120
windows,
I I I feel like situating the window in

1174
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:39,040
a in a better place that complements the
building as the walls down. It's not

1175
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:43,679
going to I I don't know how that changes
the historic value of that wall. We did

1176
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:46,960
some of that with the Franklin where we
moved a couple windows around and we

1177
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:51,199
took a window out and we put a window in
just because of where where the one of

1178
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:54,000
the windows was is where the back of the
back of the freezer

1179
01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:59,679
» or it was in the wrong spot
>> and where you situate something inside

1180
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:05,360
like a you really don't want a window
>> right there.

1181
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:10,960
We're not We We We've
sat and looked at this building for

1182
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:15,520
hours and hours trying trying to figure
out the best way and and trust me, the

1183
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:22,560
first drawings that we wanted to hand
you months ago was was wildly different.

1184
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:27,760
And we just knew uh that we we knew that
it wasn't what you guys would recognize,

1185
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:32,080
but also wasn't the best thing for the
building. We're trying to make those

1186
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:35,440
decisions the right way. We're not
trying to drastically change things.

1187
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:40,800
We're just trying to hide the roof with
a parapit. You know, if the wall's gone

1188
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:47,280
and and we're going to put in a a new
window, why not put the window where it

1189
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:50,960
should be to in complimenting
if and and we have to take the window

1190
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:55,520
out anyway because it's metal, you know,
it's metal framed and you want a wood,

1191
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,840
you know, wood pane window or wood frame
window.

1192
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:01,520
» Question on the brick real quick. is are
we think it's going to look like the

1193
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,960
like Lisa's place by the time we're said
and done

1194
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:11,520
» that's Can I
>> say something about the windows. So if

1195
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:16,320
the original window was metal then
that's the historic window. We don't

1196
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:21,679
want to replace that with wood.
>> The original tote.

1197
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:27,760
» So when I replace the window because
because they're paper thin like they're

1198
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:33,360
not energy efficient windows. I have to
replace them the, you know, so when a a

1199
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:39,040
guest is sitting next to the window, I
it's it's comfortable.

1200
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:44,080
So I I have to replace it for energy
efficient reasons. Do I replace it now

1201
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:49,040
with a wood or with a metal because I
don't know if it's original or when it

1202
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:55,520
would at what point in construction or
remodeling it was installed. So,

1203
01:23:51,520 --> 01:24:00,000
» if you have a if every window window
that you want to replace is a different

1204
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:05,760
window, you need to bring us pictures
and show us what is there and what

1205
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:09,600
you're going to replace it with.
Because if you have original metal

1206
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:15,120
casement windows in there, those are
historic windows. Those can't that's

1207
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:22,560
that's not something that we want to
have moved. I I'm the consultant.

1208
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:25,600
» No, I understand. I'm only going off of
>> I'm only going off of the guidelines

1209
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:28,719
that I've read
>> deep and then that says I have to have

1210
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,679
wood, you know.
>> So,

1211
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:35,840
» this is great information. This is this
is learning for me.

1212
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:38,960
» If if it's wood originally, you want to
replace you and you want to replace it,

1213
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:42,639
you have to replace it with wood, right?
>> So, when you say originally, it's just

1214
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:49,440
what's there now.
>> Um well, that's what we we why we need

1215
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,920
to see what is there now. If every
window that you want to replace is

1216
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:54,639
different.
>> Are they all metal?

1217
01:24:52,960 --> 01:25:00,159
» Regardless, no one.
>> So regardless of consistency through the

1218
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:04,719
building, it's what's there now in this
section stays and then what's there now

1219
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:08,639
in this section is different but stays
and then like there there are

1220
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:14,239
» possibly
>> it would depend on what's there. See,

1221
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:20,400
we're not, you know, when we have a
homeowner here, all their windows are

1222
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:24,080
are probably the same.
>> The house was built at the same time.

1223
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:32,080
» Your building,
>> like we've been talking about has been

1224
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:38,639
pieced together. So to for for the HC to
be able to determine what materials that

1225
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:45,920
you have are historic materials and
should be um restored rather than

1226
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:51,920
replaced if possible. Then they would
have to see what is there. So if if the

1227
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:54,239
windows that you want to replace are all
the same then [clears throat] show us

1228
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:59,679
one.
>> Sure. My question is is again just

1229
01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:04,400
consistency and in restoring it
historically to what era,

1230
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:09,080
» right?
>> I mean

1231
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,080
almost

1232
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:16,719
» we've done
>> the air conditioner doesn't work.

1233
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:22,400
» It might make it easier.
>> It's pretty welcome to be

1234
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:29,840
» you proposing to move.
>> It would be useful though. take out and

1235
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:37,040
brick over a bunch of windows and to
move doors, to add doors, um doors,

1236
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:41,679
windows, openings, fenestration,
egress,

1237
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:48,159
exit, entry, those are huge things for
the secretary of interior when it comes

1238
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:58,960
to historic buildings. where your
openings are. It It says something about

1239
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:03,040
the building. And so it sounds like your
building has had lots of openings

1240
01:27:02,375 --> 01:27:13,199
[laughter]
over the years. And what ever has been

1241
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:20,080
done before this group of people was
here to

1242
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:26,239
see experience? No, it has not been
documented well enough for us to be able

1243
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:29,280
to keep a trail of what historic changes
are.

1244
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:32,719
But you also have the you also have the
power to allow us to bring it to a

1245
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:38,560
consistent I mean
>> right the metal there's a metal door

1246
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:42,159
that's a hollow core aluminum door that
you can get at Lowe's right you know uh

1247
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:48,639
» that's not his
>> right what without knowing what is there

1248
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:51,600
we can't make a good decision about
whether or not that should be replaced

1249
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,800
» what do people usually do in these
meetings like you do you usually go on

1250
01:27:53,199 --> 01:28:00,000
site like how what's the usual process
you submit pictures.

1251
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:03,840
» Okay. You want a picture?
>> We need a picture of what you want to

1252
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,400
take out. If you want to remove an
element, you need to show us what you

1253
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,960
want to remove.
>> I'm I We really thought we were

1254
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:13,199
following that.
>> No, this is a really good It's a really

1255
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:16,480
good stab at it.
>> But for the Franklin, we had each

1256
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:19,360
individual window came before us with a
page. Here's what the window is. Here's

1257
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:23,360
what we're doing. Anyway, actually I
think when we went through and did that

1258
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:29,440
motion, we actually listed off every
single window and door and change in the

1259
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:33,280
motion and the changes like that we made
were already had been were like

1260
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:36,960
reverting back in many ways. Yes, we
moved some windows, but it was to revert

1261
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:40,480
back and it fit their overall plan. So,
it wasn't changing overly changing

1262
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,639
character that way.
>> I have been in the building.

1263
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:48,639
» Yeah.
>> Lucky for quite a while. Mhm.

1264
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:54,000
» Steve and I went through it and I think
whoever suggested that you go through

1265
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:59,920
the building was an awesome suggestion
because sitting here

1266
01:28:56,719 --> 01:29:03,840
» you just can't get in your mind.
Even if I had photos,

1267
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:08,000
» we'd like a field trip of what he's
trying to study. [laughter]

1268
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:14,400
» I think what so for your timeline like
what's crucial is the roofit.

1269
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:17,760
» What's crucial is the roof and then
>> the brick is I mean would you guys want

1270
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:21,280
do you guys want to start removing the
paint on the brick? It's right side

1271
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:23,520
windows,
>> right?

1272
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:27,520
» Windows you guys want to move on
>> also with the brick. We would love for

1273
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,400
the brick to look like across the
street.

1274
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,000
» Yeah.
>> If it can't Well, we can

1275
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:36,320
» we'll paint we'll paint it.
>> We'll paint it. We should the same

1276
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,480
colors we
need more information about the brick

1277
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:44,880
and the process that you're going to
use.

1278
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:49,280
» And and you mentioned a sealant. So,
like we we would not you guys would not

1279
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:53,840
be able to approve anything being done
to the brick without them coming forth

1280
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:57,280
with telling you what the process to
remove the paint is and what that

1281
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:01,679
sealant is going to be.
>> We do too. Yeah,

1282
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:05,840
» we but we have to submit this weeks ago
and our discovery since submitting this

1283
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:11,360
a lot has changed
>> and so we're we're we're continually

1284
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:17,600
learning about this turd that uh
>> anyone in the market [laughter]

1285
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:22,639
» and as we as we do as we do
>> as we do we adapt and I've met with Bill

1286
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:27,760
multiple times and and we've adapted
from those meetings and and the

1287
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,719
discovery points out new directions. So
Yeah,

1288
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,159
» another suggest
>> we didn't look.

1289
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,679
» Yeah,
>> rather than waiting a whole another

1290
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:36,239
month, can we get something on the
calendar to like go do a site visit with

1291
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,120
them?
>> I would love to do that.

1292
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:44,000
» I think that's a great idea.
>> Not part of the meeting. Um

1293
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:47,760
» because I don't want to get too far into
where the weather is starting to change.

1294
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,560
» That is so helpful for us to at least
know that there are certain things that

1295
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:54,239
are like a hard metal, right?
>> Certain things. And then we can all do a

1296
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:57,760
walkthrough together and you guys can
point to us and one person can be

1297
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,560
designated to take photos.
>> Yep.

1298
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:04,639
» I'd be happily would do it, you know,
and then we can go through and document

1299
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:09,199
everything together.
>> It'd have to be a special meeting,

1300
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:13,040
right? Because
>> you have to do as a special meeting to

1301
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:17,760
make sure that we're compliant.
>> I would suggest that or appoint a

1302
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:20,800
subcommittee to go do that.
>> Okay.

1303
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:25,440
» Okay. There's a possibility. But the
other thing is if you have a

1304
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:29,360
subcommittee, they have to report back
to each one of you and or all of you

1305
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:34,159
have to be there at the same time
because you can't have uh different

1306
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,920
information being presented at different
times.

1307
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:39,600
» Well, how many people on the panel have
to be present?

1308
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:43,679
» How what's the sub what's the definition
of a subcommittee?

1309
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:47,360
» Less than yeah, it's less than three
people. Three people normally is a good

1310
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:51,288
sub. That's what I was wondering.
>> We will bring really good coffee.

1311
01:31:49,268 --> 01:31:51,288
[laughter]

1312
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:58,880
snacks.
>> What about the wine tasting though?

1313
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:06,400
» Andrea, come on. All right.
>> How about this?

1314
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:10,800
» So, we need we need three three of us to
go to the location.

1315
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:17,120
» Yeah.
>> Soon. And I vote that Mr. Finham is one

1316
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:19,040
of those people because
>> he's got um

1317
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:24,239
» Thank you.
>> He he has that level of expertise. The

1318
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:28,480
the rest of us do not. Um
>> Angie has volunteered to take

1319
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:32,719
photographs and do some documentation.
>> Thank you.

1320
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:37,920
» And then um there's one additional you.
>> No, I've already been in so

1321
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:39,840
» I would I wouldn't want to go back
either.

1322
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,080
» Is there another volunteer?
>> Do you want to go?

1323
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,920
» I I can go.
>> Okay.

1324
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:47,679
» All right. Since you're in charge.
>> Since I'm in charge. [laughter]

1325
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:51,280
» I don't feel like I'm in charge, but
like I'm in I'm in charge. Okay. So,

1326
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:55,520
» I know that you guys are limiting it to
a subcommittee, but is the more of you

1327
01:32:53,600 --> 01:33:00,320
that could come and
>> this is the official time.

1328
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:04,880
» You can only take less than a quorum. A
quorum start meeting again. There's

1329
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:08,960
there's regulations on why you can't.
>> Well, we How about another suggestion is

1330
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,120
we could divide it up into two different
groups of three since Alex has already

1331
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,280
gone. And
>> just shoot me a shoot me a text. I'll

1332
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:19,920
meet you there.
>> We can have informal visitors, can we

1333
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:23,199
not? We can have three there committee.
>> Your back to who gets what information

1334
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,960
it's true.
>> Okay.

1335
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,800
» So, we all got to come together at one
time,

1336
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:30,960
» right? So,
>> as long as everybody that goes promises

1337
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:36,089
not to talk to these people at all, they
just walk in and look.

1338
01:33:34,069 --> 01:33:36,089
» [laughter]

1339
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:44,880
» But conversations between the applicant
and individual members

1340
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:49,600
» is typically not allowed when you have a
public meeting uh arrangement such as

1341
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:53,360
this meeting.
>> All right. So we need to have a

1342
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:57,199
subcommittee visit
>> preferably by Is everyone available on

1343
01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:58,800
the 9th?
>> Yeah.

1344
01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:03,280
» Tuesday.
>> Next Wednesday's birthday.

1345
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:06,719
» Okay. Um, we don't have to have it on a
Wednesday. [snorts]

1346
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:11,360
Uh, the 10th,
9th or 10th or 10th of September. Are

1347
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:16,000
you available?
>> 100%. I

1348
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,760
» cancel that trip to Europe.
>> Oh jeez.

1349
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,320
» I'm just kidding. You're
>> kidding. Okay.

1350
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:24,600
» I live 8 minutes away. You text me and
I'm

1351
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,600
» want to play with

1352
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:30,000
pictures.
>> All right. We can send the pictures

1353
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:33,000
ahead of time. T. Uh, we have a
substitution.

1354
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:39,199
» Congratulations.
>> What? What time?

1355
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:41,679
» What can we do? Do you have soccer?
>> Could it be this week?

1356
01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:44,560
» Could it be this week?
>> Next week.

1357
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:48,159
» It does not have to be next week.
>> Um,

1358
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:51,520
there's only two days left this week.
>> Are you done?

1359
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:53,840
» I'm leaving. I'm not I mean, it's Labor
Day weekend, right? So,

1360
01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:55,679
» Oh, you're right.
>> What about tomorrow?

1361
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,719
» Perfect.
>> I'm available tomorrow. Tomorrow, too.

1362
01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:05,520
Who's available tomorrow?
>> What time?

1363
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:08,239
» Uh after work or early morning.
>> I can go in early morning. I can go

1364
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,840
early morning.
>> Okay. Early morning.

1365
01:35:11,665 --> 01:35:15,520
[laughter]
>> Is that Is that before?

1366
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:18,800
» I could do the morning too.
>> Not before 10.

1367
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,920
» Not before 10.
>> Well,

1368
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,920
» 10 it is.
>> 10 it is.

1369
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:25,760
» Who's going?
>> Uh we I can do it. How early?

1370
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,920
» We can do it at
>> 10. 10. 10 is 10. Is 10 okay?

1371
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:33,840
» 10. Okay. Yeah, 10's great.
>> 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

1372
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:37,760
» I can do 10 tomorrow. I can do that.
>> She's back in. Okay. Perfect.

1373
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,560
» So, sub commmittee members, Angie,
Laura, Bill.

1374
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,239
» I only have until 11:30. Is that going
to be okay?

1375
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,760
» Yeah, that'll be
>> You won't want to be there an hour and a

1376
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,560
half.
>> 10:00. [laughter]

1377
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:50,560
» You won't be in there very long. I'm
going to tell I'll just

1378
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:56,800
» we will so that is a subcommittee for
this project and then we need to have

1379
01:35:54,239 --> 01:36:03,440
» another meeting about this before the
next scheduled meeting or

1380
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:06,560
» um no I think whatever you get there
to each one of your members at that

1381
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:10,719
point.
>> Okay.

1382
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:14,639
» Um before the meeting but
>> but we need to at least do a motion

1383
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:16,800
tonight for the parapit roof.
>> Yes.

1384
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:20,320
that
>> I mean if that's what you want to do

1385
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:22,880
then yes whatever whatever you're
approving tonight has to come in the

1386
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,920
form of a motion
>> understand that um

1387
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:30,560
» but I I think you should also make a
motion to have this subcommittee meeting

1388
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:32,880
and get the board to say yeah okay we
all agree with that

1389
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,280
» it's just appropriate
>> a motion for the subcommittee a motion

1390
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,120
for the parapet
>> correct

1391
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,080
» but the parapet doesn't want to move a
window

1392
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:45,679
» he that's the problem with the parapet
they want to move windows

1393
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:50,880
» so that we we have not that's a whole
bag of something.

1394
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:54,080
» Can we start Can we um can we do recline
without do the parapit without approving

1395
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:57,199
the window change
>> and so so they can start their engine?

1396
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:02,239
» Yes, he wants to put in a he wants to
put in a window if he has to rebuild the

1397
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:06,560
wall which he's contemplates he may have
to do. Is that right?

1398
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:09,840
» Can you approve the parade under the
presumption that we don't move the wall

1399
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:13,760
and then if we do have to move the wall
that

1400
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:21,400
we can do that
>> and Bill, I think your preference is to

1401
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:21,400
have more steps in it.

1402
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:26,719
Bill,
>> your preference is more steps in the

1403
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:30,400
parapit.
>> That's my

1404
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,520
question about that.
>> If I may,

1405
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:39,520
» the wall that we're talking about
putting windows in, there is one

1406
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:45,760
offplaced window. Uh, but that wall is
not being replaced. So, that's an

1407
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:52,880
actually a CMU wall. it that has brick
on the outside, a brick facade. Uh but

1408
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:57,280
that's not one. Uh if you go further
towards the back, those are the walls

1409
01:37:54,960 --> 01:38:00,800
that are structurally not sound.
>> So all we need really need to prove

1410
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:04,159
tonight is the steps in the front for
how high that if we're going to go up

1411
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,880
» just the parapit to cover the roof
>> roof line. So you guys can finish off

1412
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,280
the roof line without it being shown
from the front facade

1413
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:15,679
» and that. So
>> so Bill has a suggestion for that.

1414
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:23,040
My suggestion is I I don't think it
should be higher because it is what it

1415
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:28,719
is now. It steps and it ends.
I think that you might introduce a step

1416
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:34,719
or two farther back as the roof is going
down.

1417
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:40,000
Introduce a step before you get to the
old part of the the old wall.

1418
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:45,280
Um
maybe after the the two windows,

1419
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:47,760
» assuming you
>> end up with the window.

1420
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:49,679
» Yeah. So the drawing that you're looking
at with the yellow line

1421
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:56,159
» Yeah.
>> that yellow line can be adjusted in any

1422
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:59,360
any way because as long as that diagonal
line that is just below it, which is the

1423
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:01,600
new roof line,
>> right?

1424
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:04,400
» That's all we're trying to disguise.
We're not trying to change the

1425
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:08,800
aesthetic.
you really however many steps that we

1426
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:13,280
want to put in that co that
>> that looks the same. We just want to

1427
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:20,159
cover that roof that diagonal roof line.
>> So Mr. Finikum something like where it

1428
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:22,880
has a step up step up and then over a
step down and then halfway back put

1429
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,119
another step down.
>> Yeah, exactly like that.

1430
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,960
» And then you just run it all the way
back across.

1431
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:30,719
» Keep going.
>> So you have the two steps in front and

1432
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:34,320
then you're delaying the second step in
the back part. the middle step or the

1433
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:38,000
Wait.
>> So,

1434
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:40,239
» so you leave the two steps over here.
>> Yeah. Oh, two.

1435
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,639
» I I drew on it, but you leave the two
steps here,

1436
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:49,040
» but then you put your second down over
there. Yeah.

1437
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:53,440
Down here and carry this straight all
that

1438
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:59,719
up here when when the roof is too high.
>> That is weird that you didn't

1439
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,719
» farther back out.

1440
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:06,560
It's fine. wasn't brain.
>> Oh, that is weird. Oh, that is where

1441
01:40:05,764 --> 01:40:09,760
[laughter]
>> Sorry.

1442
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,480
» Like, yeah, it's not exist.
>> I had to reorder it, but yeah.

1443
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:16,320
» I mean, I don't blame
>> basically.

1444
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:20,800
This is the existing.
>> If they don't bring it up, you can

1445
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:25,520
almost
>> Yeah. Then you can cover

1446
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,440
this building's been added on to so
many.

1447
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,480
» Can I take a picture of what you
>> when you get inside? It's almost

1448
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:35,280
continuous. It's you're going to raise
this up, but it's almost this part right

1449
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:39,520
here stays lower. So, you come all the
way back this way and then where this

1450
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:43,360
drops down now,
>> you almost you raise your roof all the

1451
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:46,080
way across, but you're mimicking almost
what you already have.

1452
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:49,704
» You're just making that a little bit
taller. You're bringing that up.

1453
01:40:47,684 --> 01:40:49,704
[laughter]

1454
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:01,119
» But it's almost like you're mimicking
what's already there.

1455
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:04,800
So yeah,
however you do that.

1456
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:08,960
» How do we That's what they're going to
do.

1457
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:12,760
» We need to keep the original
>> but raise it by

1458
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:18,199
does that accurately represent what

1459
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,480
you should

1460
01:41:21,744 --> 01:41:29,000
[laughter] a little bit of
like taking away the

1461
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:37,560
that we had to put like

1462
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:50,320
» I just want to point out this is what it
looks like right now where it does the

1463
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:52,960
double step then it steps that steps and
then you continue. So they're raising

1464
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:57,360
all this up
>> if they continue with some

1465
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:02,239
» they continue with the steps that are
there somewhat similar look in there.

1466
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:06,520
» You're you're [clears throat] doing
>> you're just carrying the two all the way

1467
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,520
back.

1468
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,840
» Yeah. Yeah. It's going to come up no
matter. Okay.

1469
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:17,920
» But there [clears throat] will be took
the wall down.

1470
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:22,639
» What his recommendation put it on the
record. What was the

1471
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:27,119
» picture? So, they're still popping up
right there.

1472
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:32,239
» The previous the previous owner had
>> years ago there was a drive.

1473
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:35,840
» All right. So,
>> this is a state.

1474
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:39,920
» All right.
>> Let's talk about let's talk let's talk

1475
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:45,600
about the motion we're going to make
today. And the motion should be to

1476
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:51,760
establish a subcommittee to go visit the
site and uh look at u the elements that

1477
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:56,239
are under concern
consistent with the plan that's been

1478
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:59,920
submitted so far so we can all sort of
get on the same page with respect to all

1479
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:07,800
of the work that you want to happen
there. Um so that'll be number one.

1480
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:07,800
Number two will be to approve

1481
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:15,159
the raising of the roof consistent with
the drawing submitted

1482
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:25,679
in addition but in addition to the the
parapet as Mr. Finikum has uh sketched

1483
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:28,159
it on his um
>> we'll put his piece of paper in your

1484
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,920
piece of paper
>> I'll take your piece of paper out there

1485
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:33,679
and date it.
>> Okay. Uh, so I'm not making the motion,

1486
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:36,960
but someone should make
>> two motions.

1487
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:38,560
» It's It's one mo It's one motion.
>> Is it one or two? Is it is it one

1488
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,000
motion?
>> Should it be two motion?

1489
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:43,280
» Should be two.
>> Two motions.

1490
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:49,119
» Thanks, Bill. I'll make a motion that we
create a subcommittee of three

1491
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:56,480
individuals uh trustees Witty Nagel and
Finickham to go to the um 32716 through

1492
01:43:54,320 --> 01:44:00,719
32744
uh to review the interior to gain a

1493
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:05,360
better understanding for the entire
historic district committee to meet in

1494
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:08,880
the foreseeable meet in the future at
some point or multiple times.

1495
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:09,840
» Okay. Do we have a second to that
motion?

1496
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,239
» Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?

1497
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:18,400
» I. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Next motion.

1498
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:25,199
» Uh for I'll do this one, too. For the
property at uh 32716 through 32744

1499
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:35,040
Franklin Road facade renovations
uh undated in here. um that we are going

1500
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:39,760
to approve the raising of the parapet or
uh in the front the brick work in front

1501
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:46,000
uh to match the drawings as submitted
with the application

1502
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:53,199
except for a modification as amended and
proposed by Mr. finum um on it

1503
01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:57,840
» on the south wall uh to add in where
there's two steps in front and one step

1504
01:44:55,520 --> 01:45:03,920
uh behind adding an additional second
step halfway along um the drawing parade

1505
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:08,280
picture that was taken during the
meeting and his booklet

1506
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:15,280
that we're going to preserve. But along
the line to preserve some of the the two

1507
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:17,840
steps as it goes towards the back and
preserve some of the the current

1508
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:22,000
structural
>> Okay. Um accepted from that approval are

1509
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:28,080
any
um window

1510
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:30,719
or door changes. Okay. Um everyone in
favor

1511
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:32,719
» sorry. Is there a second? Sorry. Second.
>> I second.

1512
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:35,280
» Everyone in favor?
>> I I

1513
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:40,800
» thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you for your patience. May I

1514
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:45,600
make a comment about front doors that we
need

1515
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:48,719
» the um
>> canopies

1516
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:53,679
» the
I have this feeling in deja vu that

1517
01:45:52,159 --> 01:46:01,840
there
I used to be on the six allowance

1518
01:45:57,199 --> 01:46:05,760
for 16 years but 20 years ago. Um, and I
think that that came in front of us and

1519
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:11,119
it was they were arched awnings that
were taken off and that those things put

1520
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:15,360
off. So I think it's that particular
element is

1521
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:18,159
getting put back into place or what used
to be there.

1522
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:23,920
» I I looked at those today on the way
over here and I can they definitely look

1523
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:27,520
very much later um additions to that
they're much to that front.

1524
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,560
» And was was one missing? Has they always
just been

1525
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:34,159
» there? Whatever's there is there. Um,
when you look at it, they're on top of

1526
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:36,400
that brick work that is detailed that
you can tell that that was not the

1527
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:40,400
original.
>> So, that's interesting. If there's

1528
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:44,560
anyone who can find
>> an older photo of this building, that

1529
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:49,040
would be
>> really helpful um to all of our

1530
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:54,080
understanding.
And um maybe Bill Lamont has one.

1531
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:57,440
» Yeah,
>> I'll look in my old Franklin book. Maybe

1532
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:02,719
there's a picture in there. There's
parade pictures throughout the years.

1533
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:05,119
» Can I Can I ask that if you do find
those, we'd love to have them as well?

1534
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,920
» Sure.
>> Historical society.

1535
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:11,520
» The historical historical museum and
society is a great wealth of

1536
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:15,199
» information for the village.
>> So, a good call.

1537
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:19,760
» All right. So,
thank you for your patience tonight. I

1538
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:25,760
know we moved you to the
>> um to the bottom. So, uh, I appreciate

1539
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:30,080
that and we're trying to get you rolling
on your project as quickly as we can. We

1540
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:34,239
know you have a lot of money and time
and feelings wrapped up in this whole

1541
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:38,320
thing, even though you've got a real
challenge on your hands. So, um, thank

1542
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:42,400
you for working with us and
>> No, thank you. I mean, as much help as

1543
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:46,320
we can get for you. We look at you guys
as advisors as much as

1544
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,400
» critique. So, uh,
>> great.

1545
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:52,239
» Yeah. Thank Thank you.
>> Mhm. We'll see you guys at 10 tomorrow.

1546
01:47:54,560 --> 01:48:00,560
Oh, shoot.
>> Oh, we did not adjourn yet. Um,

1547
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:06,000
actually, and we do have a motion to add
some some old business onto next the

1548
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:10,639
next meeting's agenda.
>> Um, that

1549
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:16,080
hasn't come up. So,
>> so we want to do a motion to add an old

1550
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:20,880
business section for a Van Avery update,
uh, the Carol Street windows update, and

1551
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:25,600
then any feedback on the historical
study committee stuff from council and

1552
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:31,119
whether we and we have to start talking
about uh, three the three targeted items

1553
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:36,000
that we need to publish, right?
>> And maybe we need to make a subcommittee

1554
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:41,520
for that as well. So,
>> okay. Uh is there is there a second

1555
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:47,520
» to that motion? Everyone in favor? I
>> I I Okay. Uh special meeting for these

1556
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:51,360
people prior to the
>> Are we

1557
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:55,040
do we need to have a special meeting for
these individuals

1558
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:58,880
before? Okay. No,
>> that's not all right.

1559
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:02,480
» No new business. We're done with our
business. I move that we adjourn the

1560
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:07,520
meeting. It is about
>> 8:49.

1561
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:12,639
» Yes. Sorry. Is there any update on the
um what do we call it schooling

1562
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:17,280
our tutorial?
>> Oh, right. That is a good point. Um

1563
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:20,080
she's not been in touch with me. I mean
that can be added as

1564
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:28,239
» item D.
>> Item D. Um bring up uh education from

1565
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:31,040
the historic preser. Is it historic? No,
it's shipped

1566
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:35,920
» historic district
commissioner training from the

1567
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:39,600
» Okay. I'd like to bring that up again
and see if we can get that scheduled.

1568
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:43,199
But maybe we should so we don't forget
about it. Put it on as old business

1569
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:47,040
because we did talk about it
>> sort of off the record before. So maybe

1570
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:52,199
it's not old business.
>> Is it a modification of the motion?

1571
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,199
We're never getting

1572
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,920
» um should it be an item or should we
just make that happen? You just make

1573
01:49:56,719 --> 01:50:01,199
» We're just going to make that happen.
Okay.

1574
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:06,159
» Say I can always email Evan and say,
"Hey, can you add an item for me to have

1575
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:09,199
some discussion items?" And that could
be one of my discussion items.

1576
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:14,000
» Perfect. [laughter] Okay, that's good.
All right. Did we Did we approve the

1577
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:20,400
motion? Yes. Okay. So, uh, no new
business. We're going to adjourn. It is

1578
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:22,320
8:50 p.m. Do I have a second on that?
>> I don't need that. Okay.

1579
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,880
» Yeah,
>> they were ajourned.

1580
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:28,560
» You need a gamble is what you need.
Where did that happen?

1581
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,560
» All right.