[0:00] order the regular meeting of the
historic district commission uh for
[0:04] September 2nd uh 2026. Um can I have
your names for roll call please?
[0:11] Starting with Mr. Vinickum
Finnick here.
[0:16] » Angie Nagel
>> Alec Kokoska
[0:18] » Laura Witty
>> Alexen
[0:21] » Jennifer Cook Rian
thank you. Uh so the next item tonight
[0:27] is the adoption of the agenda. Uh does
anyone have comments about that?
[0:33] » We're going to I guess proposal will
modify A to C and then the slide B and C
[0:39] up. So move the uh front under new
business.
[0:44] » Okay. Uh anyone have a motion?
>> I'll motion. I think
[0:48] uh moving talk about A as the last of
new business. We'll talk about AT&T.
[0:54] We'll talk about 32310.
And then talk about the facade
[0:58] » in reverse order.
>> Uh
[1:01] » just going BCA
>> BCA.
[1:05] » Okay. Uh so I'll make a motion that we
approve a modified agenda for Wednesday,
[1:11] September 2nd, 2026. Uh with new
business going in BCA order. Um, uh,
[1:18] AT&T 32310 and then then 32716.
>> Okay. Is there a is there a second?
[1:26] » I'll second that.
>> All in favor?
[1:28] » I
>> I
[1:30] » Okay. Motion passes. Uh, all right.
Let's look at the the minutes from the
[1:35] last meeting. And I spotted a typo in
there. Um but those of you who had
[1:43] motions,
can you um
[1:48] tell me if you
um have any objection to uh the minutes?
[2:01] » All right. So I on page three
um I noted that for the Wing Lake
[2:09] property property that we um considered
the demolition permit for on the second
[2:15] bullet point it says it was noted that
the current home was built in 1954 and
[2:19] that it does contribute to the character
of the village which I believe uh is a
[2:23] typo should say does not contribute to
the character of the village
[2:29] » and that was your motion. So, um,
[2:35] and Angie support
>> I think it's the other one.
[2:37] » Do you want me to go ahead and motion
the minutes?
[2:39] » Yeah. Um, I'm going to go ahead and
motion the minutes uh as presented
[2:45] Wednesday, August 5th, 2026 with the
um correction of Wing Lake Road uh
[2:54] stated by Witty that the 1954 does not
contribute to the character of the
[3:00] village.
>> Second your motion.
[3:03] » All in favor?
>> I I Great motion motion passes.
[3:09] All right.
Now we move on to
[3:14] public comments. Is there anyone here
who wants to
[3:18] address the HTC for any reason who isn't
already on agenda tonight?
[3:26] » Did you say to address the
>> No. Any public public comments? Yeah.
[3:32] Who who aren't otherwise on the agenda?
[3:36] » All right. Um hearing hearing no public
comments or requests for public comment
[3:41] uh we will move on to new business
tonight. So uh given the earlier motion
[3:48] we are going to move forward with the
AT&T proposal to install a replacement
[3:53] pole and install small cell
[clears throat]
[3:55] wireless facilities at the AT&T site
16687859.
[4:01] Is the applicant here? Please step up to
the podium.
[4:08] Good evening everybody. Wally Haley from
the Haley Law Firm representing AT&T
[4:12] tonight. Uh
>> thank you.
[4:14] » I go into a big speech, but you've got
guys have been down this road before
[4:18] with the uh the antennas in the historic
district on the on the utility polls. Uh
[4:22] fairly simple. Uh McKenna recommends its
approval. Uh and so I'd rather answer
[4:29] any questions you folks may have
specific this. Uh other than that, I I
[4:34] won't waste your time. you can get on to
B and C and thank you for moving us up
[4:37] to A.
>> Sure. Um, so I just I have one question
[4:40] then maybe a comment. Um, on the
paperwork it indicates that uh it
[4:45] appears that the color brown has been
chosen for the the shrouding material
[4:50] and the antenna and and that stuff. Um,
and I was just speaking with um Mr. Den
[4:56] about the color of the pole, which I
think is a treated [clears throat] is
[4:59] that a treated lumber of some kind?
>> Treated wood. Yeah. Um it's currently a
[5:04] greenish color, but he advises it will
turn to a grayish color over time
[5:10] and
>> tish grayish. Yeah.
[5:12] » Topish grayish.
>> So with
[5:16] bearing in mind that we like I guess
mechanical, electrical, etc. Um
[5:22] um infrastructure to remain as
unobtrusive as possible, especially in
[5:26] the historic district. Is it possible to
have a color on that pole that would
[5:32] blend better with the pole or not be as
obtrusive as a dark brown on a gray
[5:38] pole?
>> Um,
[5:40] » it's a standard gray is a standard
color. I noted from your materials.
[5:44] » Yeah, I'm I'm going to say yes. Um, with
the caveat that that um it's brown
[5:51] across the street and then there's a
gray over here. So
[5:55] » Oh, I see. Okay. Uh but you know I let
me put it this way. If you condition
[6:00] upon that I will I will take that
condition back and I don't see a problem
[6:04] this route being made gray.
>> Worst worst case they painted it.
[6:08] » Okay. Um
so we have a brown and and a gray. Is
[6:12] that what you're saying? And I didn't I
confess I did not look at all the polls
[6:16] » there. There's a lot of them. I Yeah,
they [clears throat]
[6:19] actually run various shades of depending
on the age, you know, the shrouds and
[6:24] things. It's it's they're they're
various. Let's leave it at that. Um but
[6:29] um the I I will say this about some of
the aging of the poles. You drive down
[6:36] Franklin, some of the poles look brown,
some of the poles age to gray. Some of
[6:41] the poles the treated wood, you know,
like like Bill said, it looks more gray.
[6:46] » So
six of one halfus is another. I don't
[6:49] think given the location where it's at,
you know, next to the cemetery on an
[6:55] existing pole, it's it's going to matter
that much. I think the easy thing answer
[7:00] is to leave it brown as they propose.
>> Okay.
[7:02] » Because I don't think it's really going
to matter in the scheme of things along
[7:06] along Franklin.
>> So, the gray one you're talking about is
[7:09] right at the corner of Wellington and
Franklin Road. Is that the one you're
[7:13] referencing or is there a different one?
>> Um, I think it's the gray the gray one's
[7:16] literally right as you come out of the
driveway here, isn't it? I think
[7:18] » I was just looking on Sorry, I just
looking online.
[7:21] » We could walk. No, we could walk outside
and look, but
[7:23] » No, we got enough stuff going on, I
think.
[7:25] » Yeah,
>> just want to at least understand your
[7:27] reference.
>> Okay. Does anyone have anyone else have
[7:31] comments about proposed color
>> or preference for brown or or gray
[7:39] » being like a utility? And and it's I
don't even want to call that an
[7:43] architectural element. I I don't feel
like that that color call out is even
[7:48] part of any of of that business. Um they
get poles and they put poles in the
[7:54] ground and I think that's where I I
don't think we have like an option to
[7:58] put decorative requests on it.
>> Sure.
[8:02] » Sure.
>> But that's all that's my opinion.
[8:04] » Okay.
>> Is there is this a choice of color for
[8:06] the equipment or the pole?
>> Equipment.
[8:09] » Okay. So within the materials there's um
it shows different options for color for
[8:17] the shrouding of the the equipment that
goes on the pole. It's not the pole
[8:22] itself.
>> The uh
[8:25] » the choices are gray, brown
or white.
[8:29] » In the village we are we gray
>> there. He says there's both.
[8:35] » There's believe there's both on
Franklin. Yeah. driving with Google
[8:39] Maps. I would agree.
>> You know, it's it's either way it's not
[8:43] going to be that big of a deal. If if if
the commission's preferences to go gray
[8:50] condition upon changing the color to
gray on the plans
[8:53] » and if if there's some reason that you
physically can't do that, I'll see you
[8:58] next month.
I I
[9:02] » I see.
>> It's it's your preference.
[9:05] » So, it's a it is a choice.
>> It's a choice. So, I just wanted to make
[9:09] sure everyone here was aware of that.
And um but if we have both colors in the
[9:14] village, then you know I
>> I guess they're both okay.
[9:19] » The the the site plan submitted show a
brown truck.
[9:24] If you want to change that,
I don't think that is a big deal. But I
[9:32] do believe that there are both on in the
in the village.
[9:39] » [clears throat]
>> I didn't
[9:42] have any concerns.
[9:47] » All right. Any further comment?
>> There's no color picture here.
[9:51] » Yeah.
>> No, it's just Well,
[9:56] » oh, no. It's a drawing. It just And in
the uh in the small print next to it
[10:00] says brown shroud. Yeah,
>> I mean the color is it's this little
[10:04] tune,
right? I don't even know what this is,
[10:08] but
I believe the gray
[10:13] uh disappears into the background with
sky and everything else.
[10:17] » Okay.
>> More greatly than brown.
[10:23] » You're going to match I assume you're
going to match the antenna to the
[10:26] shroud.
>> Yeah. All the the equipment would just
[10:29] be
>> just gray. Yeah, I mean that would be my
[10:32] that would be my recommendation.
[10:38] » Anyone else?
>> No, I agree. I think that's a good
[10:41] thing.
>> Yeah, I think gray makes sense.
[10:42] » Makes sense with this guy.
>> Seems consistent.
[10:45] » Yeah.
>> All right. Do we have a motion on gray
[10:48] or on approval with with gray if if
possible? I'll make a uh a motion to
[10:55] approve the uh AT&T proposal. Install
install a replacement pole and install
[11:00] small small cell wireless facilities at
AT&T site 16687859
[11:06] with the application as received. Is
this right? April 28th, 2026. Maybe it
[11:11] was August. um with a uh a notation that
the preference if possible would be to
[11:20] make the shroud um gray to and the other
um metal boxes gray to to tie in with
[11:28] the color of the pole.
>> Okay. Is there a second on that?
[11:31] » I'll second.
>> Okay. All in favor? I
[11:34] » I
>> All right. Thank you. Thank you very
[11:37] much.
>> Have a great one. Thanks. You too. Two.
[11:49] Okay,
let's get our papers in order.
[11:53] » All right. Uh, next on the agenda
is new business at 32310
[12:01] Franklin Road, siding replacement. The
applicants here.
[12:06] » All right.
>> Hi.
[12:07] » Hi.
>> You live across the street, a little red
[12:09] schoolhouse.
>> Yeah.
[12:10] » Okay. Um, what's your name?
>> Alexis Middle.
[12:13] » Alexis Middle. Okay.
>> Um, and the it's wood at the moment, but
[12:19] it's seriously deteriorated. Um, so we
wanted to replace it with hardy siding.
[12:24] I think we included um a photo of, you
know, what it could look like. Joe here
[12:30] can show you some other images and
explain the benefits of hardy siding as
[12:35] opposed to wood if you find that
helpful.
[12:38] Uh, that's Joe.
>> That's Joe.
[12:41] » Uh, Joe, come on up.
>> I'm with Shane Roing.
[12:45] » Sorry, this is not working properly, but
where should I start off as far as the
[12:49] pictures?
>> Um,
[12:51] » we all have that.
>> We got it. So, it looks very similar to
[12:54] what you guys have. So, the difference
is this is the Hardy. It's just
[13:00] different images all around the house.
So, as far as the color with the James
[13:04] Hardy,
any of you guys familiar with James
[13:07] Hardy concrete fiber board that looks
like wood. We've done it multiple times
[13:12] in historic areas. This is the red that
we're looking at and it's got grain
[13:17] texture as well.
>> Okay.
[13:22] » And we're going to keep the um details
in the windows and the gutter shapes.
[13:28] Um,
>> that's our builder's license there.
[13:32] » Some documentation about Hardy for Hardy
preferred as well and then what we're
[13:37] doing for the project.
[13:41] » Okay. So, I I have a a couple of
questions just um
[13:46] what is the width of the boards on your
home right now?
[13:50] » They're a little bit more
narrower. If you look at this photo,
[13:56] » they're narrower, but
>> I don't think that that was an option.
[14:02] » So, with the James Hardy, the reveal
will be seven seven in
[14:06] » seven in.
>> Do you know what it is?
[14:09] » It's it's close to the what we're doing
with the party.
[14:12] » Close to seven.
>> Very close to the seven inches. Yep.
[14:16] » Yeah. It's just this photo. It looks a
lot different from this photo from in
[14:20] terms of width. Why the question's
coming up.
[14:22] » Yep.
[14:25] Um,
and so you did you look at like price I
[14:30] I know that Hardy board is
um for longevity purposes probably and
[14:37] maintenance purposes uh probably
superior to wood in general. Um but did
[14:43] you look at I mean is all the wood on
your house if you want to take a look it
[14:48] is abs
>> it is deteriorated. deteriorated and
[14:51] it's full of holes and there's 17 layers
of paint on it. It's in really bad
[14:55] condition.
[14:58] » Was there a prior approval about a year
ago for color?
[15:01] » I was going to do it a different color,
paint it gray and white. That was me. Um
[15:04] and then um obviously I didn't I
couldn't get anyone to paint it. I could
[15:08] not get any painter to commit to
painting it. And then um I decided
[15:12] siding was multiple people had told me
that siding was the better option. And
[15:16] then with AI images, I decided I like
the red the best. Um, it keeps the
[15:22] historic feel of the old schoolhouse.
Um, and I thought you guys would like
[15:26] that better if we went red instead of
switching it to gray and white.
[15:30] » Yeah. I think part of my concern was the
red on there is a very different color
[15:33] from what's on there now, but the gray
on there is closer to what you had
[15:37] approved a year ago.
>> The red on here is different, but that's
[15:43] the red that we could find. It's still
called Country Red. I think it still
[15:46] fits in with the theme of an old
schoolhouse.
[15:52] Um, okay. So, I'm I'm just looking on
your proposed your proposal page. Um,
[15:59] you you've said that you want to
preserve all the existing architectural
[16:04] um details
>> details including the trim,
[16:07] cornerboards. It says other car other
character defining elements. It says
[16:11] will be preserved wherever possible.
Well, that
[16:14] » so that to me is a concerning statement.
>> That was someone else,
[16:18] » not Joe. Joe can who helped me write
that? I was talking to a different um
[16:24] contractor. Um he's much more confident
that they can preserve everything. Is
[16:28] that right?
>> Absolutely.
[16:30] » Okay. And are the original elements
going to be preserved or you are you
[16:36] planning on replacing?
>> They're rotten. Like if you if you look
[16:40] at the window trim, it's rotten. It
needs to be redone, but it will look
[16:43] identical.
>> Okay. So, you've been able to source
[16:47] wood elements for that or
>> So, what she's going to do is she's
[16:50] going to keep the original windows in
the house. So, we're not touching any of
[16:53] the windows. That's all staying as it
is. Staying with the muttons with the
[16:57] exterior muttons. So, it's still keeping
that traditional look. The only uh doors
[17:01] that we're changing, the front door, the
back door, and the garage door, side
[17:05] door, we're changing because they're
rotted. The frame is completely exposed.
[17:10] And uh also for the siding of the house,
we are changing not only the siding, but
[17:16] there's areas that have no sheathing
underneath.
[17:19] » Okay.
>> Um and completely exposed right now. So
[17:21] she's getting uh
>> rodents
[17:24] » rodents and so forth going in.
>> So it's completely exposed.
[17:28] » Okay. So the the scope of what you just
described is a little bit broader than
[17:31] what's in front of us today in terms of
doors.
[17:34] » Again, I don't know what's in front of
you. I I didn't write any of that.
[17:37] » Sure. So what we have in front of us
today is just the siding is is just the
[17:41] siding.
>> Yeah.
[17:43] » And so I would consider
trim work to be a separate issue.
[17:49] Especially Especially if you're not
sure what's going to be replaced yet.
[17:55] » It's all going to be replaced. All of
the trim is going to be replaced.
[17:58] » It's all rotten. It just is.
>> Is it going to be white?
[18:03] » Yes.
>> Okay. And have you identified
[18:09] equal replacement pieces if you want to,
you know, because I know sometimes older
[18:14] elements don't come in those sizes
anymore or that that width or those
[18:18] » I think they have to,
>> you know, so you can get everything in
[18:21] every size.
>> You can get everything in every size and
[18:24] whatever you replace, which sounds like
everything will be identical to what's
[18:29] there right now. minus that I can't
guarantee the siding profile, the reveal
[18:34] on the siding,
>> which you were asking about earlier. I
[18:37] don't want to put my foot in my mouth,
so I don't know the exact reveal. I'm
[18:41] telling you what what we can do with the
Hardy, and that is a 7in reveal that is
[18:45] exposed
with the grain texture. They also have
[18:48] the smooth texture, but obviously to
kind of keep the integrity of the look
[18:52] of the house, I think the grain one
looks nicer.
[18:56] » Okay. Um,
[19:00] so and then obviously the doors we don't
have examples in front of us. So we we
[19:05] » put the doors that I could do that as a
separate proposal if you want and said
[19:09] » it would have to be.
>> That's fine. I when I submitted
[19:11] [clears throat] this I wasn't thinking
about the doors. I just discussed it
[19:14] with him on Monday. Um so I could submit
doors separately
[19:18] » and windows.
>> Right. Well, I've asked a lot of
[19:20] questions. Um Mr. Finom, do you want to
>> ask some questions? Um,
[19:25] » yeah. I guess
>> since you're the architect.
[19:27] » Well,
>> I don't think so.
[19:29] » First of all, I know that Hardy blank
comes in 4 in exposure. You represent
[19:35] that it's [clears throat] 7 in as
standard. It comes in 4 in which would
[19:39] be in by my eye a lot closer to what's
existing than what you have.
[19:45] » More expensive.
>> So again, they do have different reveals
[19:48] of thickness or the width they can do.
But I can run across the street and take
[19:53] a quick measure if you want to know the
exact measurement of the reveal.
[19:57] » Well, I'd like to know that and I'd like
to know um then that you can get close
[20:03] to it with 4 inch exposure because I
know Hardy blank comes that way. I have
[20:09] another question and that is the
texture. I'm wondering why you've chosen
[20:14] the rough
uh wood grain texture with the simulates
[20:21] siding that is checked, split,
um weathered and needs repainting when
[20:30] you want it to look rejuvenated
and originally that siding was smooth.
[20:37] Oh, well, I thought I don't I mean, I
thought you wanted it to I thought that
[20:42] historically speaking, you would want it
to look like wood.
[20:45] » Well, I'm not sure that I would want to
see it weathered and checked and split.
[20:50] » Well, no, it's not going to look I guess
I don't understand.
[20:52] » To me, that's
>> that's how that heavy texture on the
[20:57] Hardy blank looks. That's just my
opinion.
[21:01] » Is there another texture? So there's a
smooth
[21:04] » smooth
>> there's smooth and but this texture that
[21:06] you're seeing here is to make it look
like real wood
[21:09] » with the grain.
>> It looks
[21:11] » again everyone's you know everyone sees
it differently.
[21:13] » So explain I don't understand what
you're saying. I'm curious though. So
[21:17] what are you saying? You're saying that
>> this texture you don't think is as nice
[21:20] as the
>> I think if you're trying to rejuvenate
[21:22] it, you would want to rejuvenate it
>> with a smooth
[21:26] and newer and fresher to re renew it to
what it was when it was original. Okay.
[21:32] I thought would have wanted
>> not looked like it is now when it's
[21:36] rotten. That's just
>> so is the other.
[21:40] » Do you guys kind of understand what he's
saying?
[21:42] » No, I understand exactly what he's
saying. And I would make a point that
[21:45] one of the one of the things that we are
not allowed to do as a historic district
[21:49] commission is to make things look
historic. I mean to replace with things
[21:53] that create a false sense of history.
We're not supposed We're I mean those
[21:57] are one of that's one of our guidelines
is to not approve materials that are
[22:02] like simulated old if that makes sense
to you.
[22:06] » Yeah. So and that's I don't remember
what guideline that is but it is one of
[22:10] it is one of the guidelines.
>> It is called that.
[22:12] » So you're saying you would you would
well at least you would prefer
[22:16] » it's number three.
>> Number three. Okay.
[22:18] » Am I correct in understanding that? Yes.
>> Changes that uh create a false sense of
[22:22] historic development.
>> Okay. Number three kind of
[22:27] » you have to do smooth texture as well.
>> It's the same material.
[22:30] » Same exact material.
>> You install it ex with the rough side
[22:33] out or the smooth side up.
>> Okay.
[22:35] » Do you have a sample or
>> I don't have a sample of the smooth, but
[22:38] we can definitely do it either way.
There's no cost difference for us or the
[22:42] homeowner.
>> That's so if you guys prefer smooth, I'm
[22:45] happy to do smooth. I went with the wood
because I thought that's what you would
[22:49] prefer. It's kind of re even difficult
to tell what's there right now in the
[22:53] house because there are
>> many layers of uh paint.
[22:58] » I'm sure even uh layers of lead paint
into it over the years. Uh
[23:02] » yeah,
>> sure. That's
[23:04] » and it's peeled, repainted, peeled,
repainted, and it hasn't been sanded
[23:08] down. So, it's kind of even difficult to
tell what the texture is in the first
[23:11] place. But yeah, we we can do it either
way. Not a problem.
[23:16] So, do you have any uh comments on the
the trimmings on the house?
[23:21] » Well, I think your question was good.
It's in terms of finding the right
[23:27] sizes. Not just the size, but the
thickness
[23:30] » also. Um,
>> so they do make the same trim, by the
[23:34] way, with the grain or the smooth. So,
if you're going to go smooth on the
[23:37] siding, they make the trim to match it
to complement the smooth texture. So, we
[23:41] can do that, too.
>> Well, you said that the trim was going
[23:44] to be wood.
No, it's still all the siding material
[23:48] of the Hardy everywhere that we're
doing.
[23:50] » The trim is also going to be Hardy,
>> correct?
[23:54] » Hardy has to lay against Hardy. Hardy
can't lay against wood or you lose the
[23:58] warranty.
>> Who said that?
[24:01] » A Hardy salesperson. [clears throat]
>> I don't know. Is that not right?
[24:05] » I didn't [laughter] say that. I didn't
say that.
[24:08] » But normally when I'm doing hardy, I do
>> a hearty salesperson.
[24:12] » Yeah. When I do Hardy, I do Hardy
[clears throat] trim. So,
[24:15] » but it's not true. Um,
what are the thicknesses of the Hardy
[24:20] Trim?
>> There's again different thicknesses in
[24:22] the width and also the thickness of
protruding outward as well. So, if we're
[24:27] trying to match it 100%. We're going to
try to match it 100% to what they make
[24:33] and what's there currently.
>> So, I think we're trying to match it
[24:35] 100%.
>> Yeah, we're 2026. So if it's if it's
[24:41] five quarter then it should be five and
a quarter. You know the siding shouldn't
[24:48] protrude beyond the the trim. Whereas
sometimes when the trim gets too skinny
[24:54] the siding protrudes.
>> Understandable.
[24:56] » So the the trim needs to be whatever it
is now
[25:01] in order to avoid that. Okay. Okay.
>> What about the detail of the trim over
[25:08] the windows?
Can you duplicate that?
[25:11] » So again, that's what we're going to
definitely try to do all the way around
[25:15] on all the windows
>> with the same profile.
[25:21] » So I I mean I have concern that when you
say try, you know, it's hard for us to
[25:25] approve try as opposed to we are going
to
[25:28] » if you understand where we're coming
from on that.
[25:31] » Madam Chair.
>> Yes. As a point of interest, I wonder if
[25:35] we shouldn't just require them to bring
back the trim in the doors with samples
[25:40] to show us what it is they want to do.
>> I think that would be most appropriate
[25:44] to assure that we're getting what we
believe we are getting.
[25:48] » That you can get that. But I will tell
you if it's either that or it stays as
[25:53] it is, right? Like if we can't do it, if
we I cannot He's like the fifth or sixth
[26:00] person I've talked to. Mhm.
>> He has come the closest to being able to
[26:03] replicate the trim. [clears throat]
So if you can't accept that, then we
[26:07] just have to keep it the rotted wood
there, right? Like it's like either
[26:11] » come as close as you can or don't.
>> And we have done that before, by the
[26:15] way. So certain historic areas where
they didn't allow either the windows to
[26:19] be changed or some of the trim to be
changed. We've left that. We've done all
[26:22] the siding up to it. So the original
stays obviously
[26:28] » some of it's almost impossible to to to
bring it back to life.
[26:32] » I and I appreciate that and I appreciate
your comment that you know if you can't
[26:36] replicate exactly you may end up with
>> maybe a few of your elements having to
[26:41] be repaired carefully and puttied or you
know whatever
[26:44] » be I mean if you look at it it is beyond
repair.
[26:47] » Can you repair the elements? I do know
that above uh the windows at the top
[26:51] that that if you look at that thick
white line that is just like
[26:56] » um it's like a big caul and it's just
that you know that's probably the only
[27:02] thing that's keeping the water out right
there. But it it is it's aged and it's
[27:06] going to be tough to like
>> holes especially in the upstairs dormer
[27:09] on the far right. There's holes.
>> I mean it is beyond repair. But that but
[27:14] that that layer of pock I mean it it can
be removed. I just don't know what's
[27:18] going to happen when once you do that
right because it it's been a glued up on
[27:23] there for a while. But I've looked at
that window before just walking down the
[27:26] sidewalk and noting that.
>> Can you tell us um when you're
[27:30] contemplating doing the project and what
kind of timeline and how does you do the
[27:35] siding first and then you work on the
the trim elements after that? I
[27:38] » think we do it all at once all together.
It'll be done by the end of the year
[27:41] because as soon as you approve it, we'll
order it in the red takes a couple what?
[27:45] » It's 14 to 16 weeks.
>> So, be done by the end
[27:49] » for ordering all the material and then
of course schedule time.
[27:51] » Is it possible to order the red the red
siding and then
[27:58] see see what the situation is with the
trim.
[28:02] » I don't want to spend a fortune on
siding if I can't do the trim. If I have
[28:07] to keep the rotten windows, I'm not
going to bother to do the siding.
[28:11] » You mean the trim elements of the
windows? Is you're you're keeping your
[28:14] windows, right?
>> I'm keeping the windows, but the trim is
[28:16] rotten, so why would I spend tens of
thousands of dollars on siding and keep
[28:20] rotten trim?
[28:25] » Um,
Bill, do you have any additional
[28:28] comments about that?
>> It's appropriate to have the samples in
[28:32] front of us. So you want samples of
>> the siding I mean of no the trim the
[28:38] different sides of the trim but also
there should be details. The
[28:44] application asks for details
of
[28:48] uh special specialty things like the
rake
[28:52] um the eaves
um
[28:56] » yeah I didn't have a contract I spoke to
the clerk I think I didn't have a
[29:00] contractor when I was completing the
application so it's like layman's
[29:02] knowledge I don't have I didn't have all
that information
[29:05] » I notice here that the the rake
seems to protrude farther than your
[29:11] computer render
the existing windows.
[29:14] » What's the rake? I don't even
[29:18] » This part of the roof is protruding
farther now than it looks like on the
[29:24] other drawing.
>> Oh, well, this
[29:26] » the other one is a threestep piece of
trim. This is a wide
[29:31] or something
>> rake board and are you looking at this?
[29:34] This was just I just This was just an AI
image of the of my current house with
[29:39] the new painting on it with Again, lot
lot of those
[29:43] » permission to do certain things that we
have to have it documented what it is
[29:48] those things are. So if we can't look at
this as documentation, then you should
[29:54] provide details
that show exactly what you're going to
[29:59] be doing with a with a sample. So when
you say a sample, I just want to
[30:04] understand what you want me to bring you
because he brought this the they're not
[30:08] going to be able to make the trim. You
want the sample of the material and the
[30:13] size.
>> Yes.
[30:15] » Can you do that?
>> And I would like
[30:16] » for every single size piece on top of
the house.
[30:18] » I don't understand.
>> Wouldn't say every single one. I would
[30:20] say
um
[30:23] » because even the pictures that you're
com commenting on there, those are just
[30:26] rendering images.
>> So why so why don't present this then?
[30:29] because you do show you show this window
AI generated caul. It's a it's a
[30:34] straight line now and but that's that's
rotting caul on top of that window. So
[30:37] this is this is not
>> when I did the that wasn't him. That was
[30:40] me. When I did the AI generated window,
I just said put the old windows so they
[30:45] know that I'm keeping the design. That's
why I put the old windows in.
[30:50] » Oh. Uh they went down there.
What we're trying to avoid though is
[30:54] having trim like this with the window
going like we're just
[30:57] » if all these details are gone like and
it doesn't look
[31:01] » I'm trying to work through that process.
Right.
[31:03] » All the details to be Listen, I want it
to we bought the house, right? We love
[31:07] the house. I don't want all the details
to be gone as much as you want all the
[31:10] details to be gone. I'm not trying to
make this over. That's why we're not
[31:13] doing it gray and white anymore. I want
it to look as original. And I know you
[31:17] said I can't use new sub. I didn't know
that, but I understand and I'm with you
[31:22] and I agree 1,000% for
>> Oh, your whole booklet.
[31:28] » Where's the one that he just gave me
with the party book?
[31:31] » Oh, sorry. Is it this?
>> And mine is not stapled. So, it's loose
[31:34] pictures.
>> It's pictures that were in there.
[31:36] » Go in here.
>> I'm so sorry.
[31:38] » Yeah, there they are. Sorry.
>> So, again, even these were
[31:41] » AI.
>> It's not AI, it's software,
[31:44] » but again, it overlays it on top of the
existing house. So, how much of it is it
[31:49] actually you can't see in the images?
Yeah, you can't even see some of that
[31:52] that's above the windows,
>> right?
[31:54] » And I'm sorry, I can't I can't do it any
other way. There is no software that
[31:57] allows you to kind of put this material
on there. So,
[32:01] » and
>> and if you want the pieces, I got
[32:04] actually bring you different size pieces
of trim. That's all I can do. What I
[32:08] would like to know is if this existing
trim is 3/4 or 5/4 or four quarter or
[32:15] whatever
and how wide is it. I'd like you to have
[32:20] a sample that shows that you can get
>> correct
[32:22] » to that. You know, it doesn't have to be
every piece. It has to be the major
[32:27] components like
>> the corners, the fascia,
[32:30] » the corners, fascia, and then the
window, the casing. Because part of the
[32:35] look and feel of this house is that wide
>> trim, the wide frame around the house.
[32:41] And if we end up with this tiny little,
it's all the way off. It's not 100%
[32:45] going to look at all reflective of what
that house
[32:47] » and Hardy does make different trim
pieces and different widths. So I can I
[32:51] can get different sizes.
>> So it's just really
[32:54] » So what we do is normally when we help a
client like this, um uh I set up a
[32:59] project manager to come out. So he does
a pre-walk of the property. He takes a
[33:02] look at what's there. He's making
basically making his order list of the
[33:06] materials he needs to order. So that
case he's looking okay that's five and a
[33:10] quarter inch. I'm ordering five and a
quarter inch for this specific area. I
[33:13] need this 200 ft of it for this area for
the freeze. Same thing. So he's just
[33:18] making a list and he's ordering the
materials as needed as far as what's
[33:21] there. If I tell him I'm replicating
what's there.
[33:25] » Yeah.
>> Right. Okay.
[33:26] » Obviously, if we, you know, we're not
going to vinyl or some, you know,
[33:30] » it's almost like as if we had that list
that we could then approve off of to
[33:34] say, "Yes, you're putting in five and a
quarter, which matches five and a
[33:37] quarter. You're doing 7 in reveal at
this. You're doing this." Right now, all
[33:41] we have is an insurance document, a
write up, and an AI drawing.
[33:45] Unfortunately, it doesn't like the
detail part is what we're really looking
[33:47] for because that's what we prove off
>> because this the beauty of this house is
[33:50] in the details. I get it. Yeah. So,
let's going I can't see your name and I
[33:54] forgot what it was already.
>> Laura.
[33:56] » Laura.
>> Laura.
[33:56] » I'm Laura.
>> Laura. So, your suggestion if you guys
[34:01] » if you were able to approve the red, we
could order the red because that what
[34:06] takes the time. And then your next
meeting is in October. Is that correct?
[34:09] Correct. We could come back in October
with the sample. You understand what
[34:13] they want? Because I don't understand
what you want. But if he understands, we
[34:16] come back in October with the samples of
the trim and that could be a separate
[34:20] the trim and the doors.
>> Bill Finham raised the point that he
[34:23] wants to see what the uh the reveal the
reveal is on the on the trim. Right. So
[34:29] » I I don't feel comfortable with the
seven inch when I believe that currently
[34:35] it's closer to four. It might even be
three and a half.
[34:40] So the standard 4 inch exposure is what
I would be looking for. That's what I
[34:46] would
>> What's the lead time on on the ordering?
[34:49] » 14 to 16.
>> 14 to 16 weeks.
[34:51] » So it takes 14 to 16 weeks for it to
come in
[34:53] » for materials and schedule time.
>> Okay. So with specific color like red,
[34:58] it takes longer because they have to
produce.
[34:59] » All right. What I would suggest is if he
if he can get a photo right this second
[35:04] and go measure it, would that satisfy
you? So we can at least get them.
[35:07] » I like to know what it is. But is there
a reason
[35:10] » that you chose seven inch?
>> The 4 inch is a lot more expensive. It's
[35:16] like twice the price.
>> That's the reason.
[35:19] » They have even actually smaller than 4
in as well. And it shoots up even
[35:23] higher.
>> And the reason for the expense
[35:29] » you'd have to ask Mr. J.
>> I was told it was the labor because it's
[35:32] labor and also material itself.
>> I imagine it's labor. just
[35:36] » and I'm just telling you
>> two pieces instead of one going in place
[35:39] but
>> if you get double the price u seems
[35:44] excessive
>> wrong
[35:46] » it's it's up there it's close to double
the price on the the smaller ones
[35:51] » well
>> it literally even with my wobbly ankle I
[35:54] could walk across the street and look at
the reveal real quick and measure it if
[35:57] you guys like
>> will you do that
[35:59] » do you guys mind
>> I I don't mind um you should see if it's
[36:04] closer to 7
But we we if there's a photograph and
[36:08] then if you have a if there's a way for
you to measure it.
[36:10] » Yeah. Have a tape measure
>> with with in the photograph that would
[36:13] be fantastic.
>> Yeah.
[36:16] » All due respect. I have a wobbly an
angle, but I'll
[36:25] » answer a lot of your questions. That's
why I brought him with me, but I'll try.
[36:28] It is.
>> Is the roof being done?
[36:30] » The roof does not need to be done. The
roof is The roof [clears throat] I've
[36:34] had someone look at. He looked at it.
>> Um, a couple other The roof is fine.
[36:39] » Yeah, it's
>> Madam Chair.
[36:42] » Um, due to the intermission, I wonder if
you should table this till the end and
[36:46] take the next person who may be ready to
>> administer. You know, I didn't ask
[36:51] Amanda and I would like Amanda to make a
comment on this as well.
[36:56] » Okay.
>> So, um,
[36:57] » you want to do that
>> because I know she'll have some
[36:59] opinions.
>> All right, that would be good. I'm just
[37:02] trying to keep things moving.
>> Absolutely. So, we can we can take your
[37:06] comments right now, I think, to Yeah,
sure. If he can make it back in the next
[37:09] couple minutes, then then we won't have
to table it.
[37:12] » My comments and concerns are very
similar um to Bill Fom's.
[37:17] » Um I
think that the uh size of the wood
[37:24] boards that are on here is definitely
not seven in. So, I'm very interested to
[37:28] see what that is going to be. Um, I'm
noticing in your drawing and
[37:35] » since you said this is not exactly how
it's going to look, maybe this is going
[37:40] to be different, but the gutter
>> in your original drawing is
[37:47] » um an older style gutter.
We're getting we're getting um similar
[37:55] » to the older I told them that they had
to keep the gutters.
[37:57] » It's like a half round.
>> Yeah, but I think that they were going
[37:59] to maybe paint them white that it looks
more
[38:01] » Are they being replaced or are they
being kept?
[38:03] » I don't think that I've been told that
they can't put the same gutters back up
[38:08] once they take them down.
>> Okay. And I know you can get half half
[38:11] round white. We have them on our house.
>> He can get the same ones. I mean, he can
[38:14] get the half round. I told him that. I
mean, I am trying to keep this as
[38:19] authentic as possible. You look at the
if you ever come in my house, you'll see
[38:23] that not a lot has changed since the
1800s. So, I it's not in my best
[38:28] interest, and I appreciate you wanting
to preserve it. It's not in my best I
[38:32] don't want to make it modern. Um, but I
do need to fix the siding.
[38:38] So yeah, my the the remainder of my
comment is just that I have the exact
[38:43] same concerns as Bill with the trim
pieces, the fascia, the roof line,
[38:50] um the um window trim, making sure all
of that keeps its character
[38:58] um and just isn't turned into flat. Um
we don't want to do that. I promise you.
[39:06] Um,
but one question I have and this is just
[39:10] a question. I'm curious as to why you
prefer the 4 in to the 7 in. Is it just
[39:15] because it's
>> what it's is there a historical
[39:19] significance to that?
>> Absolutely.
[39:21] » I think it goes to the scale of the
structure scales of the structure is
[39:26] small. So to have these big
>> Okay.
[39:30] wide boards. Uh me doesn't.
>> And if you look, you can't really tell
[39:35] from this photo, but maybe you can a
little bit. If you look at the bottom of
[39:40] the house, a lot of this is painted
concrete
[39:43] » in the front.
>> Oh, yeah.
[39:45] » It's not even boards.
>> Up to the wind. Yeah. Up to almost the
[39:49] top of the window.
[clears throat]
[39:51] » Here he comes. [laughter]
>> Pretty fast.
[39:57] » Start here. Start here and see.
So they're going to go over that with
[40:01] siding.
[40:06] » It's hard to tell.
>> So there's it looks like it's been
[40:09] changed in certain areas. So certain
parts of the house are 5 and 1/2 in.
[40:13] » Certain parts of the house are 4 and 12
in.
[40:16] » And some have overlap, some are just
completely flat.
[40:21] » So if you look at this area here,
>> looks like there's bondo behind it. I
[40:25] don't know what was going on.
>> Concrete block. What's that?
[40:29] » She said
the same
[40:32] » in the bottom of the front. Some of it
looks like it was just
[40:35] » at the very bottom. But here you see the
side material.
[40:40] » Yep. That's right here somewhere. I took
the picture
[40:42] » and then right above the window that's
where it goes like 4 and 12 is
[40:46] » on the right on the left side of the
house. 4 and 12 in about there.
[40:50] » It's 4 and 12 in block down here. Just
ask.
[40:54] » What is this?
>> Is that artifact?
[40:58] » This is flush almost.
>> It's just flush.
[41:02] [clears throat]
>> Yeah.
[41:06] » I think I would call it four [laughter]
and a half, but I would
[41:08] » return.
That's what I would
[41:14] » deciding. Sounds pretty good. You can
get any
[41:16] » 4 and 12 in. We'll have William pay the
difference to go from [laughter]
[41:21] 12 in.
>> I'm joking.
[41:25] » It's funny.
>> Um,
[41:29] » well,
[41:32] have you seen the red color in real in
real life?
[41:35] » Yeah, he has it here.
>> Okay.
[41:39] All right. Let's take a look at that.
[41:52] If it's not the color that you that you
guys are approving, this does come in
[41:55] primerred as well.
>> Then you have to paint the entire house
[41:59] afterwards.
>> Yeah,
[42:01] » it's so hard to tell if that little
sample looks brown [laughter]
[42:04] » to me. I'm struggling with country lane
red, but it is not the vibrant red
[42:10] that's obviously
[42:19] So,
>> it won't be a red house.
[42:24] » It's going to be a brown house.
>> Be gray like we approved before gray,
[42:29] » but that was paint be changed.
>> Okay.
[42:33] » So, the permanent color of this house
will be basically a brown red color.
[42:37] » Whatever that color is,
>> the country red
[42:40] » brown red. Any comments on that?
>> I mean, I wish it was more vibrant
[42:46] personally, but I don't know like
[snorts]
[42:51] um comments.
>> I like the gray that we proved before.
[42:56] » You like the gray, but isn't that take
away from the little red schoolhouse?
[42:59] » This takes away from the little red
schoolhouse. This is a brown red. It's
[43:02] not the bright vibrant red that was
there.
[43:04] » So, you would prefer the gray?
Personally, considering I have a gray
[43:07] house, considering I already have a gray
house, so I'm biased.
[43:11] » Well, is your house a historic house?
>> It's right down the street. Yeah.
[43:15] » Okay. Because there's a lot of houses
that are gray and the red is most She
[43:19] makes a valid point.
>> Most of this panel is is gray house in
[43:22] the village. So,
>> there's a lot of gray houses. So, we're
[43:26] trying to keep
>> I understand that. Um, you have comments
[43:30] on the color? Sorry. Yeah, it's it's
it's a little red schoolhouse and it's
[43:36] not a red schoolhouse
>> with that siding on it with that color.
[43:41] » Does Hardy make other reds?
>> That's the only red
[43:44] » is the only red option
>> in the smooth option.
[43:48] » Is there a red option in smooth primer
and then painted paint?
[43:52] » Can hard can hardy be painted.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[43:55] » But then do I have to
>> That was the second option. You can get
[43:58] it in primer. [clears throat] And do I
have to keep paying?
[44:00] » This is primary
10ear warranty.
[44:04] » Yeah, they reduce the warranty.
>> I thought there was two.
[44:07] » Anyone else have comments on the color
while we're while that's on the table?
[44:12] Party with a whole bunch of different
colors. And there's another red.
[44:14] » Oh, no. It doesn't
[44:20] change.
>> But then you paint
[44:24] it at this point.
>> I know. I know. But like I
[44:27] » cuz this would be a permanent
>> to me. This is such a landmark.
[44:30] » But it's a color
[44:35] change.
>> It's a color change.
[44:38] » We typically don't
>> we don't we don't um
[44:44] » we don't but it's it's the permanence of
the it's the permanence of the color
[44:47] that allows us to not really have an
opinion on that.
[44:51] » Right. The last changeability.
I know that someone told me that there
[44:56] was like basic party
>> so they could Okay.
[45:05] » Tell tell me about
>> I understand the whole cost factor of
[45:10] this. This is an extremely expensive
project and one that you hope lasts
[45:15] » maybe forever while you're in your house
and I I appreciate that.
[45:19] » Um
>> I really appreciate that. What kind of
[45:24] additional expense would there be if you
are painting
[45:28] the Hardy board with with a similar
color as opposed to picking a brown red?
[45:34] » How much more expensive would that be?
>> Again, we don't normally get into
[45:38] painting ourselves, but I can definitely
look into it.
[45:40] » Okay.
>> I can also look into it and see if Hardy
[45:43] does a customization color.
>> Okay.
[45:45] » That they can preaint it at the factory
ahead of time. So,
[45:49] » let alone the what William was saying
that four and a half inch reveal.
[45:53] » Yeah.
>> Um, so the real reveal is four and a
[45:56] half inch
much wider.
[45:59] » If it's going to be that much more
expensive, I'm not going to I'll just do
[46:01] the gray.
I'm not going to spend twice the I can't
[46:05] It's either keep it as it is or do it
gray and white, which you approved last
[46:11] year.
it. I I from my own personal experience,
[46:16] it was cheaper to get it from the
factory because they have to touch it up
[46:20] when they install things anyway and they
have to prime the seams of anything they
[46:23] cut and they still are having to go
through and touch up all the paint
[46:27] because yes, it comes from the factory,
but then it gets dinged. So there's
[46:30] still painting involved, right? Even if
you install it versus getting the exact
[46:34] color that if the color there you really
like and want to preserve and it's from
[46:38] it's less money to get the material from
the factory because all they're going
[46:41] through is doing prime and not doing the
painting step afterwards and then you
[46:44] have a company that whoever can paint it
because there's a lot of painting
[46:47] companies.
>> So you are going to get the material a
[46:50] little less cost. So you are going to
save some there because it's not going
[46:53] to be prepainted,
>> right?
[46:54] » And so then now you have to have a
painter come and paint the house, right?
[46:57] Yeah.
So
[47:01] you can understand like we're we have we
have concerns about the color. Um and I
[47:06] think if there's a reasonable solution
>> to get a color as close as possible to
[47:11] this
>> it only because this house
[47:14] » is is sort of a landmark in this town
and it's right at the doorstep of
[47:18] Franklin.
>> You guys approved the gray and white.
[47:21] Why would you not approve this country
red? The gray and white wasn't
[47:25] preserving anything. So there with paint
color when you paint existing siding it
[47:32] can be changed again. With Hardy board
that's a permanent color.
[47:39] » So it's a little bit different than
approve the gray. He Well
[47:43] » he likes gray.
>> He likes gray. I like gray.
[47:45] » He likes gray.
>> But I'm not speaking for the entire
[47:47] council up here. Right.
>> No. I understand that.
[47:48] » I don't like the I don't like the red.
>> He likes the gray cardboard
[47:53] » of my least worst options. Like red for
me personally is here. Gray is above
[47:58] that. Primed and you're painting it with
the red color that matches is my first
[48:03] choice. I'm just trying to find
>> an avenue to help you out to get what
[48:06] you want. Right.
>> Right.
[48:09] » If you go if she does gray, it's going
to be seven.
[48:14] » No, I think we still want four.
>> Or it's still going to be four.
[48:16] » Yeah.
>> Okay. That's why I making sure
[48:20] » we preced the gray color
already. What it is? That's why you just
[48:25] went a year ago because it wasn't hardy.
>> It wasn't hard,
[48:29] » right?
>> It was what? And I don't remember being
[48:32] at that meeting, but I don't remember
that one either.
[48:34] » I read about it later.
>> Okay. Um,
[48:37] » so this is this is sort of the consensus
that I I feel like is evolving up here,
[48:42] which is the the Hardy board siding
should be the 4 in 4 and 1/2 in size um
[48:51] to closely match what's on the house.
Now, the smaller
[48:55] um structure. Um our preference would be
that the house
[49:03] color be as close to what it is right
now. Um this school, you know,
[49:08] schoolhouse red. Um if you can order
that product in a custom color, that
[49:16] makes sense.
Um, and that's
[49:21] I feel like we could approve that
tonight if you can get those elements
[49:25] together and that's acceptable to you in
terms of
[49:28] » So if I get those together, I don't have
to come back to October for that piece.
[49:34] » Trim,
>> I think so.
[49:35] » Trim,
>> not the trim. No, no, no. Just so if he
[49:40] says to me, I can get the 4 and 1/2 in
board in schoolhouse red. Yes.
[49:46] » And it's going to cost X more. And I
say, okay, he can go ahead and order
[49:50] that.
>> Yes.
[49:51] » Okay. And then we still need to come
back in October.
[49:55] » I'm just taking notes.
>> Yes.
[49:57] » Um with
>> you understand what they want with the
[50:01] trim with the trim list and examples of
the trim list. Now, when you say trim
[50:05] list and doors, what do you what do you
want for the doors? You want pictures of
[50:08] the doors or
>> Yes. pictures of the doors.
[50:13] » What you want? Okay.
>> Uh, will they be painted white as well?
[50:16] » Yes.
>> Cut sheets.
[50:18] » Cut sheets. Is that what you call them?
>> That's what he said.
[50:21] » I got a spec sheet of all that.
>> So, real quick question. So, I didn't
[50:25] put a lot of that other stuff together
where Alexis gave you some of the
[50:28] information. I think it was a pre uh
previous contractor, correct? Yeah, it
[50:33] was kind of
>> I will I will have more details of spec
[50:35] sheet of what exactly we're doing.
>> Um, why is this changing by the way? Do
[50:39] you gutters, we got windows, we got
window trim, doors, siding.
[50:45] » I did this spec sheet my I did this
myself. Yep.
[50:48] » He wasn't involved.
>> No, it's just more what else is being
[50:50] modified.
>> No windows.
[50:51] » Yeah. Yeah. But gutters are being
modified or replaced.
[50:55] » Removed and replaced.
>> So, and you're proposing a half round
[50:58] white gutter.
>> This? Now I'm doing five five inch
[51:02] gutter with 2x3 down spouts
>> just even like the neighbor's house next
[51:07] door and a couple other ones.
>> Does that match what's on the house now?
[51:11] » That does not match.
>> Oh, I thought we were doing the same
[51:14] gutter. So,
um
[51:21] » we don't have a proposal, right?
>> No.
[51:24] » Yeah. Nothing
[51:27] taken down preserved.
>> Yeah.
[51:30] » Anything can be preserved. Now becomes
an issue if it leaks afterwards. Not to
[51:36] for it because I put it back on and
removed it and put it back on.
[51:39] » So even when we do any houses, even if I
do a brand new house and if I remove
[51:43] existing gutters and put it back, if it
leaks, I take full accountability now
[51:46] cuz I fixed it.
>> But we know that
[51:49] » right,
>> majority companies are not going to take
[51:51] liability for that. and somebody wants
to sign off on it and you got an issue
[51:56] about the week and I don't want to deal
with that.
[51:58] » All these other things we can't approve
the campaign,
[52:00] » right? Okay. So, I mean the application
Yeah. Go ahead,
[52:04] » please.
>> No, what I was going to say is, you
[52:07] know, what's in front of us today is
replace existing wood siding with James
[52:12] Hardy fiber cement siding that closely
replicates the appearance, profile,
[52:17] scale, and character. This that's what's
technically in front of us today. So,
[52:21] just to make your life easier, when you
come back here, which you're going to
[52:25] have to come back here for all of the
trim work,
[52:28] » okay?
>> Um, you need to you need to have the cut
[52:31] sheets. Is that what they're called?
>> Cut sheets.
[52:34] » And if you have examples,
bring those, too. Okay. If you have
[52:39] examples of the the pieces that are
going to go on on the home, bring those,
[52:43] too. Okay. If if they're available, and
I think you said some of them might be
[52:47] available. Okay. Bring what's available
>> and gutters.
[52:51] » The gutters.
>> Bring a plan for the gutters. Um there
[52:55] are half round gutters on the home right
now. They're white
[52:59] » and
>> No. Well, right now they're not white.
[53:01] » Okay. They're galvanized metal.
>> They're just
[53:04] » they're silver. Okay.
>> Um then if you want to keep that color,
[53:10] I guess that's that's fine.
>> But we would paint them white. You would
[53:12] paint white. Okay. So, you want you
would do would you agree to do the half
[53:16] round style of gutter? Yes. I mean, if
we can get it
[53:22] » requesting that we'll have to do
>> I think to replace um in kind is is
[53:27] generally what we
>> Yeah.
[53:29] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[53:31] » On the front on the front door, the back
door and the garage door, side door.
[53:35] » Do you need to see the back door and the
garage side door? That's just a
[53:37] question. That's fine.
>> So, that garage door has been changed.
[53:40] It's a steel door.
>> Yeah, we need a chunk out of it.
[53:43] » So, someone's already replaced it.
Whether approved or not approved,
[53:46] someone's already changed it from way
back. Bring the bring the examples of
[53:48] the bring photos of the doors and the
the manufacturer,
[53:53] » the color,
>> cut sheets,
[53:55] » the cut sheets, and this will make this
process go so much faster than kind of
[54:01] talking about what we're going to try to
do, what we may may do, etc. um because
[54:06] we just we just we're we're in a sort of
a bad position here where we we're
[54:11] trying to envision what you're putting
out there and we just don't have
[54:14] examples in front of us and we're we're
trying to be
[54:18] » we try to be efficient with your time
and you know get you on going on your
[54:22] project. So um so if you can get the 4in
Hardy plane
[54:31] with no grooves. Oh, plane. Is that what
he The smooth
[54:36] » smooth.
>> Can we do a motion or
[54:38] » we Yeah.
>> So, you think, and I'm asking your
[54:40] opinion. You think the smooth You're an
architect. You think the smooth is going
[54:43] to be prettier than the wood grain?
>> That's my I'm just Then I would do the
[54:49] smooth. I don't have a problem doing the
>> pictures of it smooth.
[54:52] » Okay.
>> I don't think I've ever done otherwise.
[54:56] » Okay.
>> There's a lot of examples right in the
[54:58] historic district
>> where it's smooth.
[55:01] » Okay.
So, in my professional opinion, I'm not
[55:05] trying to disagree with you, but just
using my eyes,
[55:10] the existing siding bear is not smooth.
But if you want smooth, we'll do smooth.
[55:15] » Are you replacing that sighting
>> for a reason?
[55:19] » The reason being that it's rotted.
>> Yeah.
[55:23] that it's it's um peeling, it's
blistering,
[55:28] » and you want to replace it with
something that replicates that.
[55:32] » That's my question.
>> I wouldn't want it I wouldn't want to
[55:37] replicate something that I find inferior
that I'm trying to get rid of.
[55:41] » I like smooth,
>> right? [laughter] Smooth is good. Smooth
[55:42] is good. Smooth
>> should be less costly, too.
[55:44] » Four. Four. It comes in four inch side
width. There's different sizes, but I'll
[55:48] definitely check to see. Our whole thing
with the wood is that it's like a faux
[55:52] wood. It's like replicated to look old.
And like Laura Laura was saying, that's
[55:57] what we try to
>> veer away from are materials that are
[56:00] trying to look historic.
>> So is the smooth going to look more
[56:04] modern in your eyes.
>> It's going to look like wood.
[56:08] » Clean.
>> Okay. [clears throat]
[56:10] » It should it should look like wood like
wood.
[56:13] » Okay.
>> Exciting. Well,
[56:14] » yeah.
The wood that was there with new wood,
[56:18] it would be smooth.
>> It would be smooth.
[56:20] » Okay. I'm fine with that.
>> Like any
[56:23] » So, we need to make a motion
>> to approve what we've approved for you
[56:27] tonight. Okay.
>> So, don't leave yet.
[56:30] » Okay.
>> Um, who's going to tackle this one?
[56:33] » Well, it's just a silent, right?
>> I'll
[56:36] Okay. You want to tackle it?
>> I'll try to help to approve the motion
[56:39] of what they're requesting.
>> Uh,
[56:42] » start with the address. Just the
address.
[56:44] » He wasn't in the roll call. So, does he
need to state that he's here before he
[56:47] » Oh, you have to state that you're here
because you weren't here for roll call.
[56:50] » Okay.
>> My name's Rand.
[56:53] » I wrote you in.
>> He is here for the minute. [laughter]
[56:59] Uh,
>> guess I better pull it
[57:10] » for 32310 Franklin Road. uh James Hardy
sighting
[57:16] uh to approve the James Hardy sighting
to be firehouse schoolhouse red in color
[57:24] to replicate the existing uh scale at uh
approximately 4 in sighting.
[57:31] Uh the trim and window the trim and
doors are not included as approval.
[57:43] » Um you should specify that it's a smooth
James Hardy.
[57:46] » It's a smooth smooth James Hardy
sighting.
[57:49] » Mhm.
>> Uh
[57:51] to be either provided in in the
schoolhouse red color or to be provided
[57:56] in prime to be painted.
Anything else?
[58:01] » Um, just that it um should be you said
this to the scale, but the you said it
[58:07] comes in a 4 inch.
>> They have different reveals. Yes.
[58:10] » Okay.
>> So, I'll try to find out if they have
[58:12] the four and a half. I know they have
the three. I know they have the two.
[58:15] » Okay.
>> So, I have to double check if they have.
[58:17] » So, if they don't have a four and a
half, would you be fine with four or
[58:19] three and a half?
>> Or I should let you I should come back
[58:22] to the next meeting and let you know.
>> Well, some of that I just took a
[58:25] picture. Some of it's four and a half
and some of it's five and a half. So,
[58:30] I I think if it's between four and five
that's probably okay.
[58:36] » Four or five.
>> I think the standard is four.
[58:38] » Standard is four according to Mr.
Finick. So
[58:41] » you should probably be able to find a 4
in
[58:44] » reveal board. Color call schoolhouse
red. I just want to make sure that we
[58:47] don't do
>> I'm just going to take I'm going to
[58:49] break off a piece.
>> Try to color match it.
[58:53] » Right.
>> Okay.
[58:54] » Okay. So I think we have the motion.
Secretary of Interior standard
[58:57] » second
>> and you have to say what secretary of
[59:00] the interior standard that most closely
it's probably number nine.
[59:07] Um look on
[59:14] » exterior alterations
>> that that these um approvals are
[59:20] consistent with
>> these approvals are consistent with
[59:23] » the secretary of the interior standard
number
[59:25] » standard number nine.
>> Okay.
[59:28] » Painting and colors.
>> Okay.
[59:30] » I'll second.
>> Everyone in favor.
[59:33] » I Okay.
>> Oh, that was
[59:35] » Thank you. Who second it? Hi.
>> This is their seconded it.
[59:41] » All right. Thank you. These are yours.
>> We appreciate your time today and
[59:47] » your willingness to work with us.
>> Appreciate it.
[1:00:03] » All right. Um
All right.
[1:00:06] Next on the agenda for new business,
thank you for waiting tonight
[1:00:11] 32716
to 32744 Franklin Road facade
[1:00:16] renovations. The applicants are here.
The applicant is here. Um, can you
[1:00:21] please come up and discuss your project,
please?
[1:00:28] » Is this not working?
>> I have no idea.
[1:00:31] » Okay.
>> Last time it came off of that computer.
[1:00:36] Yeah, Evan is the one who usually kind
of harder to manages that. I don't know
[1:00:42] everything about it.
>> You're being heaven tonight. What's
[1:00:45] going on?
>> I send everything electronically. So,
[1:00:47] » yeah, it's okay.
>> It heaven.
[1:00:57] » So, I mean, we've all met before.
>> We have. Welcome back.
[1:01:01] » We're very excited about your project.
>> I know.
[1:01:03] » I I hope so. I'm a little
>> Yes.
[1:01:06] We're excited about your feedback.
[laughter]
[1:01:10] » Don't say that. Yeah.
[laughter]
[1:01:15] » With the fact that I thought we
incorporated a lot of what you told us
[1:01:18] last time again with, you know,
revealing comments to keep the original
[1:01:23] materials where you can, you know, all
the historical significance. I mean, the
[1:01:28] we made some changes. We truly did
listen to what we said. We made some,
[1:01:31] you know, incorporate them. The biggest
things that we're doing right is we are
[1:01:35] going to replace the roof as essentially
last time to the original bridge with
[1:01:40] the black shingles. The great news for
us is we only actually have to replace
[1:01:44] half of the roof. So um that original
piece which is the north side of the
[1:01:50] roof can stay. It's not we took we put
everything down on the inside. It's not
[1:01:55] uh rotting as bad as the other side. So
that part can stay. Um it actually makes
[1:02:00] it more complicated for us. We're trying
to put the things together. We've been
[1:02:03] working with the structural engineer and
architect for the last six weeks to try
[1:02:07] and get it straight. So we'll be
replacing um just the south side of the
[1:02:12] roof. This the south half of it. Again,
same pitch in the front, improve
[1:02:18] shingles, same look and feel. Um the
second, you know, biggest element is
[1:02:22] that we intend to just restore um the
brick on the outside now. We just want
[1:02:27] to kind of restore it to historical
beauty if possible. Um we will replace
[1:02:33] the windows and doors, you know, as
closely as possible wood, but again, you
[1:02:37] know, things are rotting, they need to
be replaced. Um and then the other big
[1:02:41] change is that we just want to
replace kind of the back repaint the
[1:02:46] back half of the building right now,
which is cinder block. Um we just want
[1:02:49] to paint it, our intention is to paint
it sort of the navy blue.
[1:02:53] So brick in the front, navy blue in the
back. That said, again, I know you've
[1:02:57] looked at what's there and so I think
we're sort of just ready to field
[1:03:02] » you have some questions
>> questions in the comments.
[1:03:05] » Fire away.
>> Okay. So, for me, the easy part for me
[1:03:09] on this project is the paint colors. I
think they're great.
[1:03:12] » I think they're appropriate. I think
they make sense with the with the
[1:03:15] project. So, um for me, that's the
easiest part. I know that there there
[1:03:21] are a few exterior changes that um many
of the commissioners here have uh
[1:03:28] comments and concerns about and Amanda
um our liaison, our historical liaison
[1:03:34] uh consultant
has also has some concerns about some of
[1:03:39] the proposed changes on the outside and
um she consults with us about
[1:03:44] compliance with you know the secretary
of interior rules that we have to comply
[1:03:48] by. Oh, comply with sorry. So, I don't
know who wants to get the ball rolling
[1:03:54] um on any of the structural or window
changes or other changes that are here
[1:04:01] uh in terms of asking some questions,
but we can Mr. Pinum, do you want to
[1:04:07] start or Amanda, do you want to put some
of your concerns out there first?
[1:04:11] » Honestly, I think you guys should start.
Okay. Yeah. And then if like if I have
[1:04:17] anything to add on I mostly sent you
this because there were so many things
[1:04:21] different things they wanted to do that
I wanted to break everyone out so that
[1:04:26] you knew that there were this many
>> right different things to approve
[1:04:32] » like each one of those needs to be
approved. So, let's talk about the paint
[1:04:38] colors first, just because I think
that's probably the easiest part of this
[1:04:43] » of this project. I don't know people
have thoughts on that.
[1:04:46] » I think they're great.
>> I think they're great.
[1:04:48] » Okay. Yeah. Anyone? No. Good. Okay. I
think we're we're in agreement on your
[1:04:52] paint color. So,
>> thank you.
[1:04:54] » Hooray. Um unless
>> we're out of here.
[1:04:57] » Stripping. Okay. [laughter] Uh
>> oh. Okay.
[1:04:59] » Well, we'll go with stripping the brick
and then
[1:05:02] » how to protect it and seal it.
>> We haven't talked about that one yet.
[1:05:05] We're just talking about the paint on
the on the wood part, right?
[1:05:09] » Yeah. And the block and the block part.
Oh, the block part. Yeah.
[1:05:13] » I have some basic background questions.
Forgive me. I'm new, so maybe everybody
[1:05:21] else was here the last time you came.
I take it you're Andrew.
[1:05:26] » I am Andrew.
>> Steve Car. I'm her partner.
[1:05:30] » Steve. Okay. Um.
>> Yeah.
[1:05:37] I see that the entire southern half of
the roof is being replaced.
[1:05:41] » Yes.
>> Is there the reason for that?
[1:05:44] » It's rotting.
>> It's a rotted
[1:05:46] » and it's not decode. I mean, it's
literally a part.
[1:05:48] » So, it's not the entire southern uh
we've had a structural engineer come in.
[1:05:55] We've gutted the inside. We've been able
to take a look at what we need to. So,
[1:06:00] you're right that the southern half, but
it's not it's not going all the way to
[1:06:03] the back. It's just to uh
>> of the restaurant portion
[1:06:08] » of the restaurant portion, but not the
entire restaurant portion. The uh
[1:06:15] » it's being made higher.
>> Sorry.
[1:06:18] » It's being made higher.
>> It is inside.
[1:06:22] » So the roof the roof I we talked about
last time and
[1:06:25] » actually it's like
>> we had a right
[1:06:28] » and then back but not the flat piece.
>> This table remain the same. In the back
[1:06:33] we have to raise a little bit.
>> We approved that last time, right?
[1:06:39] » Okay.
>> We did approve it last time.
[1:06:42] » Did you approve it last time?
>> Yeah, we approved. We approved it.
[1:06:44] » We could move forward with the roof as
long as we didn't change the front
[1:06:48] facade. Right.
>> So really, this is about the facade
[1:06:51] » is approved.
>> Yes.
[1:06:53] » We didn't approve anything at that
meeting. We didn't make a motion. There
[1:06:57] was no application. We just we just
fielded their they got they got comments
[1:07:02] from us as they went before
>> it was a drop in
[1:07:07] » that it was those two sheets of drop in
that came in last time that got added
[1:07:11] without applications. Was that um
>> the change order?
[1:07:14] » You didn't make a motion.
>> No, that's right.
[1:07:18] » Cuz that was last meeting, right? So, we
were instructed to bring an application
[1:07:24] and my understanding with the
conversation I had with Bill was that we
[1:07:29] could move forward with that roof
replacement
[1:07:34] » as long as the E did not change
>> as long as we didn't change the the look
[1:07:38] of
>> Yep.
[1:07:40] » I which work has not been started yet
because we've had to go through a
[1:07:45] process.
>> So, as long as you're repairing it that
[1:07:48] that was We always knew we can't repair
it. So, we came here saying we needed to
[1:07:52] replace it.
>> We knew it's I I don't want to replace
[1:07:55] it. Believe me, I'm very very sure you
don't have to code. It's Alex, you
[1:08:00] walked in there.
>> I was inside. Yeah.
[1:08:03] » I don't want to replace.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. Okay.
[1:08:07] » So, what were we going to say?
>> Yeah. What were you going to say?
[1:08:10] » Well, I just needed the background and I
Is there anything else that I missed?
[1:08:15] Well, I went and reviewed it after the
meeting. They have opened up the inside.
[1:08:22] The
It's quite a building. It's been added
[1:08:27] to I can't tell you how many times cuz
some parts of it have steel beams, wood
[1:08:32] beams. There's probably 10 different
roof pitches to places that I don't
[1:08:39] understand why they ever built it that
way. [clears throat] But the part that
[1:08:43] Steve and I went over was that portion
that was discussed the last meeting and
[1:08:49] that part was rotted. I mean to the
point where
[1:08:54] » it was structural
>> safe.
[1:08:56] » I questioned it structural integrity at
this point.
[1:08:59] » Yeah. So I did tell them they need to
get started on that part of it, the
[1:09:04] structural part with the understanding
nothing's being touched on the front
[1:09:10] side, street side, and that any minimal
change in the pitch to get that water to
[1:09:17] run off of that roof was really
necessary pursuant to their architect's
[1:09:23] recommendation.
It it had roofs that went to each other
[1:09:26] and there was nothing but a big puddle
up there. Well, flat roof, you know,
[1:09:30] Bill, it leaks like a sib when that
happens. And it's been leaking in there
[1:09:34] for years.
>> I mean, I can't tell you how gross the
[1:09:39] color of that wood looked that I was
looking at. It was It was bad.
[1:09:43] » It is bad.
>> So, um, yes, they did start in that area
[1:09:48] that I understood from the previous
discussion,
[1:09:53] albeit they didn't have application. We
haven't we haven't proceeded. We haven't
[1:09:59] proceeded from that point. We we just
wanted to make sure in that last time
[1:10:02] that we were here
>> that you guys would allow us to. We're
[1:10:06] not changing the facade. But in the
meantime, for 2 months, we've had
[1:10:10] structural engineers and architects.
We're going about it the right way and
[1:10:13] trying to make sure that any changes and
and in that discovery, we don't have to
[1:10:18] replace the entire roof, just half of
it. Um so we're continuing to to find
[1:10:23] out. Um I and we are to the point uh
where our architect is finalizing how
[1:10:32] we're going to make that roof as as
structural, you know, in the final
[1:10:36] steps, but we've already thought that we
were to the point where our contractor
[1:10:40] is going to be able to to start
proceeding with that. They're really
[1:10:45] thinking the concentration of this was
the facade.
[1:10:48] » Mhm.
Well,
[1:10:53] that roof since
it's almost not visible is barely within
[1:10:59] our purview, but right
>> it's the
[1:11:03] the parapit that is concealing it.
>> Correct.
[1:11:07] » So, we have to decide if we accept the
premise that it has to have a new roof
[1:11:12] and if so, then it has to have a higher
parapit.
[1:11:16] » Correct.
>> Or par sidewall and parap.
[1:11:19] » Mhm.
And I can accept those. I can accept
[1:11:24] both premises. I I would
think
[1:11:30] that, you know, you're eliminating some
of the character from the existing
[1:11:35] profile of the parap. Now, it comes up
and down. You know,
[1:11:40] » we can mimic the character if we go
higher.
[1:11:43] » It's been very,
>> it's been simplified.
[1:11:47] And it might be that it
You could add
[1:11:52] another step or so in the front.
>> Let me get that picture out that shows
[1:11:58] this.
>> And it's this one.
[1:11:59] » It's this one right here.
>> This one right here where they lose one
[1:12:04] step. So that So what you're saying is
either it goes this way like that
[1:12:13] » or we're eliminating two drop downs.
>> Yeah.
[1:12:17] » Yeah. These just looks now.
>> Um
[1:12:20] » I don't know if you can get all the way
down
[1:12:22] » these two.
>> Yeah.
[1:12:23] » To that front one or not, but if you
could get
[1:12:26] » to there.
>> I wish we I wish we had this blown up
[1:12:31] » so everyone
with that yellow line.
[1:12:34] » Yeah.
>> So anything above that yellow line, we
[1:12:37] can drop it down to that yellow line.
It's just that roof is going to come
[1:12:41] come at an angle and we just want to
protect how it looks from from the side.
[1:12:46] That's what apparently it is.
>> Does your new roof have to go to the
[1:12:51] peak of the manard?
>> Well, in order for us to maintain the
[1:12:56] appearance from the road,
>> then we want to keep this peak so it
[1:13:01] doesn't change the street side.
>> But it can be lower, right? You could
[1:13:07] » still want to keep a pitch so when it
meets up with this second this other
[1:13:10] roof,
>> then then it's able to drain the water
[1:13:13] off,
>> right? So maybe the more pitch that I
[1:13:17] can have to to
>> allow that that access that
[1:13:23] » I understand. I'm thinking if you could
pick up
[1:13:26] » 8 in or one step in this brick, but that
and that's the other question I have. Is
[1:13:32] this the structural clay tile that you
say has been painted and you're going to
[1:13:37] uh expose?
>> Is that what this orange stuff is or is
[1:13:42] that correct?
>> Red brick.
[1:13:43] » That's brick. That's
>> that's the red brick. Everything that's
[1:13:46] indicated as red brick is what is red
brick. Now we just want to peel like 15
[1:13:51] layers of paint.
>> A lot of
[1:13:54] » Okay. Well, there is a mention of some
kind of tile
[1:13:58] » or some kind of a
[1:14:04] interpreted tile when it was actually
brick.
[1:14:06] » It was brick. The front I hit the write
up said brick. I think it's
[1:14:10] » it's going to be [sighs]
>> it's going to be cleaned off.
[1:14:14] » Yeah, it's burnt.
>> And have you brick and center while
[1:14:16] you're cleaning that off?
[1:14:20] » It says burnt clay. Brick
[1:14:24] » I thought structural clay.
>> Yep.
[1:14:26] » And then cinder block.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:30] » Have you said how you're going to clean
it?
[1:14:34] » We haven't determined exactly how yet.
Um I think that my contractor had talked
[1:14:42] about soft sand blasting. My concern is
because the brick is so brittle that
[1:14:47] it'll deteriorate it. Right.
>> So my suggestion is chemically.
[1:14:53] » Yeah. there. Um, I'd say sand blasting
is not an option because it takes away
[1:14:59] the quarter of an inch of the surface
and makes it totally porous and then the
[1:15:04] rest of
>> I think as old as that bird would take
[1:15:06] off more than
>> um Okay. Um,
[1:15:13] I think you should
um for your own benefit
[1:15:20] indication how to do that properly.
or it'll be a bigger problem.
[1:15:26] But um that would be my recommendation
on the
[1:15:29] » what deterioration occurs through the
exposure will be replaced with
[1:15:35] uh red brick with comparable red brick.
>> Can I ask a question? What do you guys
[1:15:41] need approved out of this massive amount
of stuff tonight
[1:15:45] » versus that parapit wall that he
addressed first because we need to move
[1:15:50] forward with the roof. So, if we gave if
we were able to give you approval or we
[1:15:54] talk through the parapit roof and figure
out if it's going up to get an extra
[1:15:58] step or we're modifying the front of it
in the paint color, that's at least two
[1:16:02] things off your like 30 item list. I'll
tell you what,
[1:16:08] » if we could get the parapit wall and be
able to proceed with the roof and then
[1:16:13] more helpful suggestions so we don't
come in here blind.
[1:16:16] » We're we're just coming in and showing
you what we'd like to do. We bought we
[1:16:20] bought a we bought a the worst building
you have in in the village. [laughter]
[1:16:24] » I'm sure there's worse.
>> I can I can commute with you in mine.
[1:16:27] » Come on down. Bill's been there. Come on
down.
[1:16:29] » Mine was pretty bad. So
>> you're you're gray and hard to make
[1:16:32] something.
>> No, we're here to help you through this.
[1:16:36] » And we don't want to waste, like I said
before, we don't want to waste your time
[1:16:39] and we want to make this as efficient as
possible, but and we don't want to delay
[1:16:42] your project either. So maybe breaking
this up into more manageable chunks and
[1:16:47] we can discuss the paraped and the roof
tonight and just
[1:16:51] » but you also know that when you do a
project
[1:16:53] » but when you say as many multiple
as the multiple issues I mean we're
[1:16:59] talking about four walls and we're only
changing one.
[1:17:03] » The roof the window is taking out a
window taking out like closing that off
[1:17:08] is an item. What windows are you guys
using? What kind of doors are you guys
[1:17:11] using? the brick, even like clean off
the brick. There's going to be more
[1:17:15] things as we go through it. I'm just
trying to figure out what you guys need
[1:17:17] since it's already 8:17 on a Wednesday.
>> I appreciate that cuz our time's
[1:17:23] valuable, too. But we we were the first
on the docket and we kicked down.
[1:17:27] » We thought you guys were getting a
longer one. So,
[1:17:30] » we'd like to be because we do have a lot
of stuff. I mean, this is a big project
[1:17:34] » and we appreciate and we want to
>> You guys are I mean, we can try and
[1:17:38] hammer in all this stuff tonight. The
windows that we're proposing to take out
[1:17:41] are metal framed uh metal framed windows
that we'd like to replace with wood
[1:17:47] frame that that coincides with what your
standards are. The the the building
[1:17:52] entirely, I don't know how it's gotten
as many aspects of it through this
[1:17:57] process, but we're genuinely trying to
uh not make it historic, but but make it
[1:18:04] what you want it to be. Um, there are
AC units that are just randomly stuck in
[1:18:13] the walls. When you go inside, now that
everything's exposed, there are door
[1:18:18] exterior doorways that are just boarded
up that were inside the wall. if if you
[1:18:25] were to take if you were to see what
what it is and what we're trying to do.
[1:18:30] Um there there is a lot more to it. But
um
[1:18:36] some the wall some of the walls that
like that parapit wall that we're like
[1:18:40] we'll probably want to replace the
entire wall uh and then fac and then you
[1:18:47] know fix the facade to match what we're
talking about. But we're still talking
[1:18:53] with structural engineers to that are
letting us know there are four different
[1:18:57] types of of block that that wall in that
you know it's been built on and built
[1:19:03] on. There is a doorway that's been
sealed up and two AC units, you know,
[1:19:08] and the window is so randomly placed,
>> you know, it's we're we're trying to
[1:19:14] coincide with with what you guys want,
but we're also trying to make it as
[1:19:17] appealing in a building uh as we
possibly can that that suits uh what
[1:19:23] we're trying to to do as a business. Can
I just ask a question real quick of
[1:19:28] Amanda? for that front pair that this
this and the front with that top it
[1:19:34] seems like even what Bill brought up
there's two options for it either you ra
[1:19:38] so because right now it's two steps two
steps and it was going to go to two
[1:19:42] steps one step but the options are you
go to one step and one step and and
[1:19:47] raise the front brick work up or you
raise the overall structure up to go to
[1:19:51] two steps and two steps is there a
preferred like I don't I I don't know of
[1:19:56] any when this place was built what it
looked like we really have anything to
[1:20:00] even go back to what was there, right?
>> Original photos unless Bill Lamont has
[1:20:05] something
buried over there somewhere. But I
[1:20:09] » my my understanding is it was the
original firehouse for the villa. Like
[1:20:14] » I have zero information related to that.
Like no,
[1:20:18] » we don't either. And we've tried we've
tried to figure out [laughter]
[1:20:21] » but you can I'm I'm telling you you
could stand in you go that was that's a
[1:20:25] different building than this. You know,
it's it's
[1:20:29] some kind of shock like a and then the
other side was a auto repair, right? The
[1:20:34] first part I feel like the original
piece
[1:20:36] » it and then it went over and then back
back.
[1:20:39] » It's Yeah, speculation but similar to
[clears throat] the tin shop that was
[1:20:45] across the street here that was added on
to and is now a residence. It was
[1:20:49] probably something similar to that where
it was like a a shop like you're talking
[1:20:54] like they they fixed things they did
they they
[1:20:58] » tinker
>> shopped. Yeah. [laughter] And then they
[1:21:01] just like expanded and added and then
added some other businesses that
[1:21:05] complemented. That's speculating of what
the development of that bu building
[1:21:10] probably was. Um,
>> I would gladly go as high as you want
[1:21:15] with as many steps as you want on the
parapit, but I'll probably have to
[1:21:19] rebuild that wall. And if I if I have to
rebuild that wall, I in replacing the
[1:21:26] windows,
I I I feel like situating the window in
[1:21:30] a in a better place that complements the
building as the walls down. It's not
[1:21:36] going to I I don't know how that changes
the historic value of that wall. We did
[1:21:42] some of that with the Franklin where we
moved a couple windows around and we
[1:21:45] took a window out and we put a window in
just because of where where the one of
[1:21:49] the windows was is where the back of the
back of the freezer
[1:21:52] » or it was in the wrong spot
>> and where you situate something inside
[1:21:56] like a you really don't want a window
>> right there.
[1:22:01] We're not We We We've
sat and looked at this building for
[1:22:07] hours and hours trying trying to figure
out the best way and and trust me, the
[1:22:14] first drawings that we wanted to hand
you months ago was was wildly different.
[1:22:18] And we just knew uh that we we knew that
it wasn't what you guys would recognize,
[1:22:25] but also wasn't the best thing for the
building. We're trying to make those
[1:22:29] decisions the right way. We're not
trying to drastically change things.
[1:22:33] We're just trying to hide the roof with
a parapit. You know, if the wall's gone
[1:22:38] and and we're going to put in a a new
window, why not put the window where it
[1:22:43] should be to in complimenting
if and and we have to take the window
[1:22:49] out anyway because it's metal, you know,
it's metal framed and you want a wood,
[1:22:53] you know, wood pane window or wood frame
window.
[1:22:55] » Question on the brick real quick. is are
we think it's going to look like the
[1:22:59] like Lisa's place by the time we're said
and done
[1:23:02] » that's Can I
>> say something about the windows. So if
[1:23:07] the original window was metal then
that's the historic window. We don't
[1:23:14] want to replace that with wood.
>> The original tote.
[1:23:18] » So when I replace the window because
because they're paper thin like they're
[1:23:23] not energy efficient windows. I have to
replace them the, you know, so when a a
[1:23:30] guest is sitting next to the window, I
it's it's comfortable.
[1:23:35] So I I have to replace it for energy
efficient reasons. Do I replace it now
[1:23:41] with a wood or with a metal because I
don't know if it's original or when it
[1:23:45] would at what point in construction or
remodeling it was installed. So,
[1:23:51] » if you have a if every window window
that you want to replace is a different
[1:23:57] window, you need to bring us pictures
and show us what is there and what
[1:24:03] you're going to replace it with.
Because if you have original metal
[1:24:07] casement windows in there, those are
historic windows. Those can't that's
[1:24:12] that's not something that we want to
have moved. I I'm the consultant.
[1:24:19] » No, I understand. I'm only going off of
>> I'm only going off of the guidelines
[1:24:24] that I've read
>> deep and then that says I have to have
[1:24:27] wood, you know.
>> So,
[1:24:29] » this is great information. This is this
is learning for me.
[1:24:33] » If if it's wood originally, you want to
replace you and you want to replace it,
[1:24:37] you have to replace it with wood, right?
>> So, when you say originally, it's just
[1:24:41] what's there now.
>> Um well, that's what we we why we need
[1:24:46] to see what is there now. If every
window that you want to replace is
[1:24:51] different.
>> Are they all metal?
[1:24:52] » Regardless, no one.
>> So regardless of consistency through the
[1:24:57] building, it's what's there now in this
section stays and then what's there now
[1:25:02] in this section is different but stays
and then like there there are
[1:25:06] » possibly
>> it would depend on what's there. See,
[1:25:11] we're not, you know, when we have a
homeowner here, all their windows are
[1:25:18] are probably the same.
>> The house was built at the same time.
[1:25:22] » Your building,
>> like we've been talking about has been
[1:25:26] pieced together. So to for for the HC to
be able to determine what materials that
[1:25:35] you have are historic materials and
should be um restored rather than
[1:25:43] replaced if possible. Then they would
have to see what is there. So if if the
[1:25:49] windows that you want to replace are all
the same then [clears throat] show us
[1:25:53] one.
>> Sure. My question is is again just
[1:25:56] consistency and in restoring it
historically to what era,
[1:26:03] » right?
>> I mean
[1:26:06] almost
[1:26:12] » we've done
>> the air conditioner doesn't work.
[1:26:15] » It might make it easier.
>> It's pretty welcome to be
[1:26:19] » you proposing to move.
>> It would be useful though. take out and
[1:26:25] brick over a bunch of windows and to
move doors, to add doors, um doors,
[1:26:34] windows, openings, fenestration,
egress,
[1:26:38] exit, entry, those are huge things for
the secretary of interior when it comes
[1:26:44] to historic buildings. where your
openings are. It It says something about
[1:26:53] the building. And so it sounds like your
building has had lots of openings
[1:27:02] [laughter]
over the years. And what ever has been
[1:27:07] done before this group of people was
here to
[1:27:15] see experience? No, it has not been
documented well enough for us to be able
[1:27:23] to keep a trail of what historic changes
are.
[1:27:27] But you also have the you also have the
power to allow us to bring it to a
[1:27:31] consistent I mean
>> right the metal there's a metal door
[1:27:35] that's a hollow core aluminum door that
you can get at Lowe's right you know uh
[1:27:41] » that's not his
>> right what without knowing what is there
[1:27:46] we can't make a good decision about
whether or not that should be replaced
[1:27:50] » what do people usually do in these
meetings like you do you usually go on
[1:27:53] site like how what's the usual process
you submit pictures.
[1:27:57] » Okay. You want a picture?
>> We need a picture of what you want to
[1:28:02] take out. If you want to remove an
element, you need to show us what you
[1:28:05] want to remove.
>> I'm I We really thought we were
[1:28:08] following that.
>> No, this is a really good It's a really
[1:28:11] good stab at it.
>> But for the Franklin, we had each
[1:28:14] individual window came before us with a
page. Here's what the window is. Here's
[1:28:18] what we're doing. Anyway, actually I
think when we went through and did that
[1:28:21] motion, we actually listed off every
single window and door and change in the
[1:28:26] motion and the changes like that we made
were already had been were like
[1:28:31] reverting back in many ways. Yes, we
moved some windows, but it was to revert
[1:28:35] back and it fit their overall plan. So,
it wasn't changing overly changing
[1:28:38] character that way.
>> I have been in the building.
[1:28:42] » Yeah.
>> Lucky for quite a while. Mhm.
[1:28:45] » Steve and I went through it and I think
whoever suggested that you go through
[1:28:51] the building was an awesome suggestion
because sitting here
[1:28:56] » you just can't get in your mind.
Even if I had photos,
[1:29:02] » we'd like a field trip of what he's
trying to study. [laughter]
[1:29:05] » I think what so for your timeline like
what's crucial is the roofit.
[1:29:10] » What's crucial is the roof and then
>> the brick is I mean would you guys want
[1:29:16] do you guys want to start removing the
paint on the brick? It's right side
[1:29:20] windows,
>> right?
[1:29:21] » Windows you guys want to move on
>> also with the brick. We would love for
[1:29:25] the brick to look like across the
street.
[1:29:28] » Yeah.
>> If it can't Well, we can
[1:29:30] » we'll paint we'll paint it.
>> We'll paint it. We should the same
[1:29:33] colors we
need more information about the brick
[1:29:38] and the process that you're going to
use.
[1:29:42] » And and you mentioned a sealant. So,
like we we would not you guys would not
[1:29:47] be able to approve anything being done
to the brick without them coming forth
[1:29:51] with telling you what the process to
remove the paint is and what that
[1:29:55] sealant is going to be.
>> We do too. Yeah,
[1:29:58] » we but we have to submit this weeks ago
and our discovery since submitting this
[1:30:04] a lot has changed
>> and so we're we're we're continually
[1:30:07] learning about this turd that uh
>> anyone in the market [laughter]
[1:30:14] » and as we as we do as we do
>> as we do we adapt and I've met with Bill
[1:30:20] multiple times and and we've adapted
from those meetings and and the
[1:30:24] discovery points out new directions. So
Yeah,
[1:30:28] » another suggest
>> we didn't look.
[1:30:29] » Yeah,
>> rather than waiting a whole another
[1:30:31] month, can we get something on the
calendar to like go do a site visit with
[1:30:35] them?
>> I would love to do that.
[1:30:37] » I think that's a great idea.
>> Not part of the meeting. Um
[1:30:41] » because I don't want to get too far into
where the weather is starting to change.
[1:30:45] » That is so helpful for us to at least
know that there are certain things that
[1:30:49] are like a hard metal, right?
>> Certain things. And then we can all do a
[1:30:52] walkthrough together and you guys can
point to us and one person can be
[1:30:56] designated to take photos.
>> Yep.
[1:30:58] » I'd be happily would do it, you know,
and then we can go through and document
[1:31:02] everything together.
>> It'd have to be a special meeting,
[1:31:06] right? Because
>> you have to do as a special meeting to
[1:31:10] make sure that we're compliant.
>> I would suggest that or appoint a
[1:31:15] subcommittee to go do that.
>> Okay.
[1:31:18] » Okay. There's a possibility. But the
other thing is if you have a
[1:31:23] subcommittee, they have to report back
to each one of you and or all of you
[1:31:27] have to be there at the same time
because you can't have uh different
[1:31:32] information being presented at different
times.
[1:31:34] » Well, how many people on the panel have
to be present?
[1:31:38] » How what's the sub what's the definition
of a subcommittee?
[1:31:40] » Less than yeah, it's less than three
people. Three people normally is a good
[1:31:45] sub. That's what I was wondering.
>> We will bring really good coffee.
[1:31:49] [laughter]
[1:31:51] snacks.
>> What about the wine tasting though?
[1:31:56] » Andrea, come on. All right.
>> How about this?
[1:32:01] » So, we need we need three three of us to
go to the location.
[1:32:09] » Yeah.
>> Soon. And I vote that Mr. Finham is one
[1:32:15] of those people because
>> he's got um
[1:32:18] » Thank you.
>> He he has that level of expertise. The
[1:32:21] the rest of us do not. Um
>> Angie has volunteered to take
[1:32:26] photographs and do some documentation.
>> Thank you.
[1:32:29] » And then um there's one additional you.
>> No, I've already been in so
[1:32:36] » I would I wouldn't want to go back
either.
[1:32:38] » Is there another volunteer?
>> Do you want to go?
[1:32:40] » I I can go.
>> Okay.
[1:32:42] » All right. Since you're in charge.
>> Since I'm in charge. [laughter]
[1:32:46] » I don't feel like I'm in charge, but
like I'm in I'm in charge. Okay. So,
[1:32:49] » I know that you guys are limiting it to
a subcommittee, but is the more of you
[1:32:53] that could come and
>> this is the official time.
[1:32:57] » You can only take less than a quorum. A
quorum start meeting again. There's
[1:33:03] there's regulations on why you can't.
>> Well, we How about another suggestion is
[1:33:06] we could divide it up into two different
groups of three since Alex has already
[1:33:10] gone. And
>> just shoot me a shoot me a text. I'll
[1:33:12] meet you there.
>> We can have informal visitors, can we
[1:33:17] not? We can have three there committee.
>> Your back to who gets what information
[1:33:22] it's true.
>> Okay.
[1:33:23] » So, we all got to come together at one
time,
[1:33:25] » right? So,
>> as long as everybody that goes promises
[1:33:29] not to talk to these people at all, they
just walk in and look.
[1:33:34] » [laughter]
[1:33:37] » But conversations between the applicant
and individual members
[1:33:42] » is typically not allowed when you have a
public meeting uh arrangement such as
[1:33:48] this meeting.
>> All right. So we need to have a
[1:33:51] subcommittee visit
>> preferably by Is everyone available on
[1:33:56] the 9th?
>> Yeah.
[1:33:58] » Tuesday.
>> Next Wednesday's birthday.
[1:34:00] » Okay. Um, we don't have to have it on a
Wednesday. [snorts]
[1:34:04] Uh, the 10th,
9th or 10th or 10th of September. Are
[1:34:09] you available?
>> 100%. I
[1:34:14] » cancel that trip to Europe.
>> Oh jeez.
[1:34:17] » I'm just kidding. You're
>> kidding. Okay.
[1:34:18] » I live 8 minutes away. You text me and
I'm
[1:34:20] » want to play with
[1:34:25] pictures.
>> All right. We can send the pictures
[1:34:27] ahead of time. T. Uh, we have a
substitution.
[1:34:33] » Congratulations.
>> What? What time?
[1:34:36] » What can we do? Do you have soccer?
>> Could it be this week?
[1:34:40] » Could it be this week?
>> Next week.
[1:34:42] » It does not have to be next week.
>> Um,
[1:34:46] there's only two days left this week.
>> Are you done?
[1:34:49] » I'm leaving. I'm not I mean, it's Labor
Day weekend, right? So,
[1:34:52] » Oh, you're right.
>> What about tomorrow?
[1:34:54] » Perfect.
>> I'm available tomorrow. Tomorrow, too.
[1:34:57] Who's available tomorrow?
>> What time?
[1:34:59] » Uh after work or early morning.
>> I can go in early morning. I can go
[1:35:07] early morning.
>> Okay. Early morning.
[1:35:11] [laughter]
>> Is that Is that before?
[1:35:13] » I could do the morning too.
>> Not before 10.
[1:35:17] » Not before 10.
>> Well,
[1:35:19] » 10 it is.
>> 10 it is.
[1:35:21] » Who's going?
>> Uh we I can do it. How early?
[1:35:24] » We can do it at
>> 10. 10. 10 is 10. Is 10 okay?
[1:35:28] » 10. Okay. Yeah, 10's great.
>> 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.
[1:35:31] » I can do 10 tomorrow. I can do that.
>> She's back in. Okay. Perfect.
[1:35:35] » So, sub commmittee members, Angie,
Laura, Bill.
[1:35:39] » I only have until 11:30. Is that going
to be okay?
[1:35:41] » Yeah, that'll be
>> You won't want to be there an hour and a
[1:35:43] half.
>> 10:00. [laughter]
[1:35:44] » You won't be in there very long. I'm
going to tell I'll just
[1:35:47] » we will so that is a subcommittee for
this project and then we need to have
[1:35:54] » another meeting about this before the
next scheduled meeting or
[1:35:58] » um no I think whatever you get there
to each one of your members at that
[1:36:05] point.
>> Okay.
[1:36:07] » Um before the meeting but
>> but we need to at least do a motion
[1:36:12] tonight for the parapit roof.
>> Yes.
[1:36:15] that
>> I mean if that's what you want to do
[1:36:18] then yes whatever whatever you're
approving tonight has to come in the
[1:36:21] form of a motion
>> understand that um
[1:36:23] » but I I think you should also make a
motion to have this subcommittee meeting
[1:36:28] and get the board to say yeah okay we
all agree with that
[1:36:31] » it's just appropriate
>> a motion for the subcommittee a motion
[1:36:34] for the parapet
>> correct
[1:36:35] » but the parapet doesn't want to move a
window
[1:36:37] » he that's the problem with the parapet
they want to move windows
[1:36:42] » so that we we have not that's a whole
bag of something.
[1:36:47] » Can we start Can we um can we do recline
without do the parapit without approving
[1:36:52] the window change
>> and so so they can start their engine?
[1:36:55] » Yes, he wants to put in a he wants to
put in a window if he has to rebuild the
[1:36:59] wall which he's contemplates he may have
to do. Is that right?
[1:37:03] » Can you approve the parade under the
presumption that we don't move the wall
[1:37:08] and then if we do have to move the wall
that
[1:37:12] we can do that
>> and Bill, I think your preference is to
[1:37:16] have more steps in it.
[1:37:21] Bill,
>> your preference is more steps in the
[1:37:24] parapit.
>> That's my
[1:37:29] question about that.
>> If I may,
[1:37:31] » the wall that we're talking about
putting windows in, there is one
[1:37:36] offplaced window. Uh, but that wall is
not being replaced. So, that's an
[1:37:41] actually a CMU wall. it that has brick
on the outside, a brick facade. Uh but
[1:37:49] that's not one. Uh if you go further
towards the back, those are the walls
[1:37:54] that are structurally not sound.
>> So all we need really need to prove
[1:37:58] tonight is the steps in the front for
how high that if we're going to go up
[1:38:02] » just the parapit to cover the roof
>> roof line. So you guys can finish off
[1:38:05] the roof line without it being shown
from the front facade
[1:38:07] » and that. So
>> so Bill has a suggestion for that.
[1:38:12] My suggestion is I I don't think it
should be higher because it is what it
[1:38:18] is now. It steps and it ends.
I think that you might introduce a step
[1:38:25] or two farther back as the roof is going
down.
[1:38:30] Introduce a step before you get to the
old part of the the old wall.
[1:38:37] Um
maybe after the the two windows,
[1:38:43] » assuming you
>> end up with the window.
[1:38:46] » Yeah. So the drawing that you're looking
at with the yellow line
[1:38:49] » Yeah.
>> that yellow line can be adjusted in any
[1:38:52] any way because as long as that diagonal
line that is just below it, which is the
[1:38:58] new roof line,
>> right?
[1:39:00] » That's all we're trying to disguise.
We're not trying to change the
[1:39:02] aesthetic.
you really however many steps that we
[1:39:06] want to put in that co that
>> that looks the same. We just want to
[1:39:10] cover that roof that diagonal roof line.
>> So Mr. Finikum something like where it
[1:39:17] has a step up step up and then over a
step down and then halfway back put
[1:39:22] another step down.
>> Yeah, exactly like that.
[1:39:24] » And then you just run it all the way
back across.
[1:39:25] » Keep going.
>> So you have the two steps in front and
[1:39:28] then you're delaying the second step in
the back part. the middle step or the
[1:39:33] Wait.
>> So,
[1:39:35] » so you leave the two steps over here.
>> Yeah. Oh, two.
[1:39:38] » I I drew on it, but you leave the two
steps here,
[1:39:41] » but then you put your second down over
there. Yeah.
[1:39:45] Down here and carry this straight all
that
[1:39:51] up here when when the roof is too high.
>> That is weird that you didn't
[1:39:56] » farther back out.
[1:40:00] It's fine. wasn't brain.
>> Oh, that is weird. Oh, that is where
[1:40:05] [laughter]
>> Sorry.
[1:40:08] » Like, yeah, it's not exist.
>> I had to reorder it, but yeah.
[1:40:11] » I mean, I don't blame
>> basically.
[1:40:14] This is the existing.
>> If they don't bring it up, you can
[1:40:20] almost
>> Yeah. Then you can cover
[1:40:23] this building's been added on to so
many.
[1:40:25] » Can I take a picture of what you
>> when you get inside? It's almost
[1:40:28] continuous. It's you're going to raise
this up, but it's almost this part right
[1:40:32] here stays lower. So, you come all the
way back this way and then where this
[1:40:37] drops down now,
>> you almost you raise your roof all the
[1:40:41] way across, but you're mimicking almost
what you already have.
[1:40:44] » You're just making that a little bit
taller. You're bringing that up.
[1:40:47] [laughter]
[1:40:55] » But it's almost like you're mimicking
what's already there.
[1:40:58] So yeah,
however you do that.
[1:41:02] » How do we That's what they're going to
do.
[1:41:05] » We need to keep the original
>> but raise it by
[1:41:13] does that accurately represent what
[1:41:18] you should
[1:41:21] [laughter] a little bit of
like taking away the
[1:41:32] that we had to put like
[1:41:45] » I just want to point out this is what it
looks like right now where it does the
[1:41:48] double step then it steps that steps and
then you continue. So they're raising
[1:41:51] all this up
>> if they continue with some
[1:41:55] » they continue with the steps that are
there somewhat similar look in there.
[1:42:00] » You're you're [clears throat] doing
>> you're just carrying the two all the way
[1:42:03] back.
[1:42:08] » Yeah. Yeah. It's going to come up no
matter. Okay.
[1:42:10] » But there [clears throat] will be took
the wall down.
[1:42:14] » What his recommendation put it on the
record. What was the
[1:42:21] » picture? So, they're still popping up
right there.
[1:42:23] » The previous the previous owner had
>> years ago there was a drive.
[1:42:31] » All right. So,
>> this is a state.
[1:42:34] » All right.
>> Let's talk about let's talk let's talk
[1:42:38] about the motion we're going to make
today. And the motion should be to
[1:42:42] establish a subcommittee to go visit the
site and uh look at u the elements that
[1:42:49] are under concern
consistent with the plan that's been
[1:42:53] submitted so far so we can all sort of
get on the same page with respect to all
[1:42:58] of the work that you want to happen
there. Um so that'll be number one.
[1:43:02] Number two will be to approve
[1:43:07] the raising of the roof consistent with
the drawing submitted
[1:43:15] in addition but in addition to the the
parapet as Mr. Finikum has uh sketched
[1:43:23] it on his um
>> we'll put his piece of paper in your
[1:43:27] piece of paper
>> I'll take your piece of paper out there
[1:43:29] and date it.
>> Okay. Uh, so I'm not making the motion,
[1:43:32] but someone should make
>> two motions.
[1:43:34] » It's It's one mo It's one motion.
>> Is it one or two? Is it is it one
[1:43:38] motion?
>> Should it be two motion?
[1:43:39] » Should be two.
>> Two motions.
[1:43:41] » Thanks, Bill. I'll make a motion that we
create a subcommittee of three
[1:43:45] individuals uh trustees Witty Nagel and
Finickham to go to the um 32716 through
[1:43:54] 32744
uh to review the interior to gain a
[1:43:59] better understanding for the entire
historic district committee to meet in
[1:44:03] the foreseeable meet in the future at
some point or multiple times.
[1:44:07] » Okay. Do we have a second to that
motion?
[1:44:09] » Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?
[1:44:11] » I. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Next motion.
[1:44:14] » Uh for I'll do this one, too. For the
property at uh 32716 through 32744
[1:44:22] Franklin Road facade renovations
uh undated in here. um that we are going
[1:44:29] to approve the raising of the parapet or
uh in the front the brick work in front
[1:44:37] uh to match the drawings as submitted
with the application
[1:44:41] except for a modification as amended and
proposed by Mr. finum um on it
[1:44:49] » on the south wall uh to add in where
there's two steps in front and one step
[1:44:55] uh behind adding an additional second
step halfway along um the drawing parade
[1:45:02] picture that was taken during the
meeting and his booklet
[1:45:08] that we're going to preserve. But along
the line to preserve some of the the two
[1:45:13] steps as it goes towards the back and
preserve some of the the current
[1:45:17] structural
>> Okay. Um accepted from that approval are
[1:45:20] any
um window
[1:45:24] or door changes. Okay. Um everyone in
favor
[1:45:28] » sorry. Is there a second? Sorry. Second.
>> I second.
[1:45:31] » Everyone in favor?
>> I I
[1:45:34] » thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you for your patience. May I
[1:45:37] make a comment about front doors that we
need
[1:45:42] » the um
>> canopies
[1:45:46] » the
I have this feeling in deja vu that
[1:45:52] there
I used to be on the six allowance
[1:45:57] for 16 years but 20 years ago. Um, and I
think that that came in front of us and
[1:46:03] it was they were arched awnings that
were taken off and that those things put
[1:46:07] off. So I think it's that particular
element is
[1:46:13] getting put back into place or what used
to be there.
[1:46:16] » I I looked at those today on the way
over here and I can they definitely look
[1:46:20] very much later um additions to that
they're much to that front.
[1:46:25] » And was was one missing? Has they always
just been
[1:46:28] » there? Whatever's there is there. Um,
when you look at it, they're on top of
[1:46:32] that brick work that is detailed that
you can tell that that was not the
[1:46:35] original.
>> So, that's interesting. If there's
[1:46:37] anyone who can find
>> an older photo of this building, that
[1:46:43] would be
>> really helpful um to all of our
[1:46:47] understanding.
And um maybe Bill Lamont has one.
[1:46:53] » Yeah,
>> I'll look in my old Franklin book. Maybe
[1:46:56] there's a picture in there. There's
parade pictures throughout the years.
[1:47:00] » Can I Can I ask that if you do find
those, we'd love to have them as well?
[1:47:04] » Sure.
>> Historical society.
[1:47:06] » The historical historical museum and
society is a great wealth of
[1:47:09] » information for the village.
>> So, a good call.
[1:47:12] » All right. So,
thank you for your patience tonight. I
[1:47:17] know we moved you to the
>> um to the bottom. So, uh, I appreciate
[1:47:23] that and we're trying to get you rolling
on your project as quickly as we can. We
[1:47:27] know you have a lot of money and time
and feelings wrapped up in this whole
[1:47:32] thing, even though you've got a real
challenge on your hands. So, um, thank
[1:47:36] you for working with us and
>> No, thank you. I mean, as much help as
[1:47:40] we can get for you. We look at you guys
as advisors as much as
[1:47:44] » critique. So, uh,
>> great.
[1:47:46] » Yeah. Thank Thank you.
>> Mhm. We'll see you guys at 10 tomorrow.
[1:47:54] Oh, shoot.
>> Oh, we did not adjourn yet. Um,
[1:47:57] actually, and we do have a motion to add
some some old business onto next the
[1:48:04] next meeting's agenda.
>> Um, that
[1:48:08] hasn't come up. So,
>> so we want to do a motion to add an old
[1:48:12] business section for a Van Avery update,
uh, the Carol Street windows update, and
[1:48:19] then any feedback on the historical
study committee stuff from council and
[1:48:23] whether we and we have to start talking
about uh, three the three targeted items
[1:48:28] that we need to publish, right?
>> And maybe we need to make a subcommittee
[1:48:33] for that as well. So,
>> okay. Uh is there is there a second
[1:48:38] » to that motion? Everyone in favor? I
>> I I Okay. Uh special meeting for these
[1:48:45] people prior to the
>> Are we
[1:48:49] do we need to have a special meeting for
these individuals
[1:48:53] before? Okay. No,
>> that's not all right.
[1:48:57] » No new business. We're done with our
business. I move that we adjourn the
[1:49:00] meeting. It is about
>> 8:49.
[1:49:03] » Yes. Sorry. Is there any update on the
um what do we call it schooling
[1:49:11] our tutorial?
>> Oh, right. That is a good point. Um
[1:49:15] she's not been in touch with me. I mean
that can be added as
[1:49:19] » item D.
>> Item D. Um bring up uh education from
[1:49:25] the historic preser. Is it historic? No,
it's shipped
[1:49:28] » historic district
commissioner training from the
[1:49:33] » Okay. I'd like to bring that up again
and see if we can get that scheduled.
[1:49:38] But maybe we should so we don't forget
about it. Put it on as old business
[1:49:41] because we did talk about it
>> sort of off the record before. So maybe
[1:49:45] it's not old business.
>> Is it a modification of the motion?
[1:49:48] We're never getting
[1:49:53] » um should it be an item or should we
just make that happen? You just make
[1:49:56] » We're just going to make that happen.
Okay.
[1:49:58] » Say I can always email Evan and say,
"Hey, can you add an item for me to have
[1:50:04] some discussion items?" And that could
be one of my discussion items.
[1:50:07] » Perfect. [laughter] Okay, that's good.
All right. Did we Did we approve the
[1:50:10] motion? Yes. Okay. So, uh, no new
business. We're going to adjourn. It is
[1:50:15] 8:50 p.m. Do I have a second on that?
>> I don't need that. Okay.
[1:50:21] » Yeah,
>> they were ajourned.
[1:50:23] » You need a gamble is what you need.
Where did that happen?
[1:50:25] » All right.