1 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:22,950 Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Frazier regular city council meeting of Thursday, August 13th, 2026. Time is now 6.30 p.m., and I call this meeting to order. Please rise for the pledge allegiance. 2 00:00:30,580 --> 00:00:38,780 And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God in the visible with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,540 Thank you, Mr. Guishlag, please call the roll. 4 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,180 Councilmember Bransky. 5 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:47,940 Councilmember Fletcher. 6 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:49,740 Councilmember Higgins. 7 00:00:50,340 --> 00:00:50,900 Mayor Lessich. 8 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,460 Present. 9 00:00:52,060 --> 00:00:53,020 Mayor Proto-Modell. 10 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:53,420 Here. 11 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:54,340 Councilmember Perry. 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:54,840 Here. 13 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:56,320 Councilmember Schornag. 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,540 That is absent. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,700 That is still a quorum, sir. 16 00:00:59,140 --> 00:00:59,860 Thank you very much. 17 00:01:02,210 --> 00:01:03,350 Council Member Bransky. 18 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:04,290 Motion to remove. 19 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:06,350 Motion to remove? 20 00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:08,390 Yes, motion to not that. 21 00:01:08,770 --> 00:01:09,810 That would be a surprise. 22 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:14,190 Opposition to excuse Council Member Shornaf. 23 00:01:14,350 --> 00:01:14,570 Second. 24 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:18,030 All right, we have motion by Council Member Bransky. 25 00:01:18,210 --> 00:01:20,310 Seconded by Council Member Higgins to excuse 26 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:22,450 Member Shornaf from meeting tonight. 27 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:23,510 All in favor say aye. 28 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:24,230 Aye. 29 00:01:24,890 --> 00:01:25,350 Opposed? 30 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:26,350 Motion passes. 31 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:45,510 I would like to add item 7 B, excuse me, parade permit for the 2026 Frazier Homecoming Parade on October 9th. 32 00:01:45,650 --> 00:01:46,930 Second, all right. 33 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:50,370 Any other changes, additions, deletions? 34 00:01:53,310 --> 00:01:57,750 Seeing none, I would try to vote on the adding that item. 35 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:00,610 It's one to amend and one to approve the amended. 36 00:02:01,090 --> 00:02:09,430 Okay, so we have a motion to amend and it's by near-protein and seconded by who seconded. 37 00:02:09,670 --> 00:02:10,450 You made it. 38 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:11,050 You made the motion. 39 00:02:12,610 --> 00:02:13,990 I'll get my act again. 40 00:02:14,470 --> 00:02:15,170 I'm actually hoping you're good. 41 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:17,090 All right. 42 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:24,910 Motion by Mayor Lesley, seconded by mayor-protein, Mo Delth, to add the parade permit to the agenda 43 00:02:24,910 --> 00:02:25,510 as item seven. 44 00:02:25,510 --> 00:02:26,550 Beyond favor say aye. 45 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:29,390 Okay, all right, I'd entertain a motion to approve. 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,020 Second, we have a motion to approve the agenda made by Council Member Bransley, 47 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:38,680 seconded by Mayor Pro Temo Del, all in favor say aye. 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:39,380 Aye. 49 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:40,300 Opposed? 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:42,700 Agenda is approved. 51 00:02:43,020 --> 00:02:45,660 Item number five, citizen participation on agenda items. 52 00:02:46,220 --> 00:02:48,960 This is the moment in the meeting if you can't be here throughout the meeting, 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,640 which is a relatively light one. 54 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,220 You can speak now on any agenda item. 55 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:56,120 Seeing none. 56 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:59,660 Yes, this is on agenda items only. 57 00:03:02,260 --> 00:03:09,220 Yes, this would be about the parade permit or discussion regarding fees and 58 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:10,320 fine for code violations. 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,360 This meeting, we should be to the citizen participation portion very shortly. 60 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:38,720 So just bear with us a minute and you'll probably be there in 15 minutes. 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Maybe a half an hour we'll see how long the city attorney talks. 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:52,340 All right. So item number 6 consent agenda. I would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. 63 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:53,240 Second. 64 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:58,540 I guess we're all really good. 65 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:07,580 All right. We have motion by Council Member Fletcher. Second by Mayor Pro Temo-Dell to approve the consent agenda. All in favor say aye. 66 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:07,640 Aye. 67 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Opposed? 68 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:10,300 Motion passes. 69 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,260 Thank you very much. 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,060 All right. 71 00:04:12,220 --> 00:04:13,220 Item number 7a. 72 00:04:13,340 --> 00:04:16,180 Discussion regarding fees and fines for code violations. 73 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:21,600 Mr. City Attorney, I think this is yours. 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,540 I think it's partially mine for sure. 75 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,880 I believe this was added to the agenda to entertain a discussion, a more thorough discussion 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,460 with a good opportunity to do so tonight. 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,860 Be it a lighter agenda to talk about the difference between fees and fines 78 00:04:36,860 --> 00:04:41,960 and what our goals are as a city in terms of how to use those fees and how to use those fines to 79 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:46,760 ensure the best interest of the city, we're talking about keeping the city looking nice and 80 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,500 property values up and we're talking about city services. 81 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:55,560 So by way of a quick background, if I haven't already done it, and if you need it to be longer, let me know. 82 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,600 But fees and fines are two different things and sometimes the words get mixed up or used interchangeably. 83 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:09,240 When a city or a municipality charges a fee, it can only be for the service that is being offered to the person using or paying that fee. 84 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:19,720 So, for example, when somebody wants a plan reviewed or somebody wants a zoning board of appeals application submitted, there is a fee schedule. 85 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:29,760 The City Council adopts every year and that fee covers the costs or at least part of the costs in most cases for the services being provided to the person asking for that special consideration. 86 00:05:30,980 --> 00:05:35,680 There are all kinds of fees, we all pay fees in our everyday lives to accomplish things 87 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,980 or get things that we need when you renew your license plate and when you renew your 88 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:42,960 driver's license, when you replace one of those because you lost one, right? 89 00:05:43,060 --> 00:05:44,240 There's a fee associated with that. 90 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,920 So those are fees, they're not meant to be punishment, they're not meant to be punitive, 91 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,980 but they are meant to recapture some or all of the cost or at least to fray the cost of 92 00:05:52,980 --> 00:05:54,760 what it takes to do the work. 93 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,740 On the opposite side of that, we have what are called fines and a fine is meant to be a punishment. 94 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:12,460 So when you think of criminal laws, for example, they typically say a fine not to exceed X and or up to this amount of time in jail or both as determined by the court. 95 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:19,380 So fines can be established for by a city at a maximum of $500 for criminal offenses. 96 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,780 We've pretty much got that covered. 97 00:06:20,780 --> 00:06:31,980 We've got all our criminal offenses adopted, and the state law allows us to go up to 500 and the judges have discretion on what the fines should be for each individual case based on the circumstances in front of them, the person in front of them, etc. 98 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:47,360 But we can also set fines for what are called municipal civil infractions and municipal civil infractions are the violations that people commit that aren't criminalized by the city, but are yet but exist to incentivize them to fix something to do something 99 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,720 or to impose some sort of financial punishment for having broken some kind of loss. 100 00:06:53,120 --> 00:07:00,280 So those kinds of municipal civil infraction finds exist in things like a lot of code violations, 101 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:04,100 for example. Let's say somebody commits a violation of the property maintenance code. 102 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:06,800 They didn't maintain their lawn, or they didn't maintain their home. 103 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,940 They have deficiencies in how they've maintained something on the property. 104 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:14,980 Most of that type of stuff is considered a municipal civil infraction. 105 00:07:14,980 --> 00:07:17,340 It's typically not criminalized or a misdemeanor. 106 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:22,360 The incentive to get it fixed is usually the fine or the threat of a fine or the concern 107 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,420 about having to pay a fine. 108 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:29,640 And ultimately, if it doesn't accomplish the goal, those can be issued daily, those can 109 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,900 be issued repetitively, those can be issued with a sliding scale of accelerating fines. 110 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:37,380 And in Frazier, in fact, we do have that scale in place. 111 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Your first offense is going to be $150, and that is an established set fine. 112 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:45,420 Typically, judges won't sway or deviate from that. 113 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:46,300 I mean, I guess they can. 114 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:46,780 They're the judge. 115 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,460 They have some discretion in those, but we tell them, 116 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:53,840 and the court knows, to schedule them at $150 for your first 117 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,100 defense. 118 00:07:55,180 --> 00:07:56,240 Thereafter, it's $250. 119 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,020 Thereafter, it's $500. 120 00:07:58,700 --> 00:07:59,800 And thereafter, it's $1,000. 121 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,400 Fairly consistent with what most communities do. 122 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,720 I know other communities are $150, $375, $750, $1,500. 123 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,640 Might be an example of sliding scale. 124 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,320 But we're not too far off the mark in terms of what 125 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,580 communities do in terms of accelerating the fines for punitive measures to get compliance 126 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:18,860 from people that need to comply. 127 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,360 I will caveat all of that background with municipal civil and fractions can only go so 128 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,220 far and can only accomplish so much. 129 00:08:27,420 --> 00:08:32,540 There are going to be times when the person doesn't have any money to either correct the violation 130 00:08:32,540 --> 00:08:33,060 or to pay. 131 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,580 There are going to be times when a person just ignores it. 132 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:38,780 And ultimately we rely on the court to try to have some enforcement power. 133 00:08:40,140 --> 00:08:43,680 But as I'm learning in another community, not learning, but I've already known, but we're seeing, 134 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,480 we have another community where there's a neighbor dispute going on right now about a wall between their properties. 135 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:57,360 And the municipal civil infraction is meant to incentivize the person who owns the wall to get it fixed because it's dilapidated, part of it has fallen over, part of its leaning. 136 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:08,300 But we also have a very vocal complaining resident who is very adamant and very well written in terms of his communications to the city at times. 137 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:16,240 asking that the city do more, that the city be the lawyer for him essentially to advocate for his cause. 138 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:25,480 And that's where it gets a little bit gray sometimes for cities is at what point do we take on the mantle of the enforcement arbiter or authority? 139 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,360 And how far do we take that mantle before we say, you know what, this is a private property dispute between two neighbors. 140 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,480 And where is that line? It is gray. Every situation is different. 141 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:42,160 And I've in recent years had noise issues, camera issues, light issues, and then of course 142 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,080 this wall thing. 143 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:49,300 So the cities themselves have to make those decisions internally and figure out, is it 144 00:09:49,660 --> 00:09:53,780 a slippery slope if we start getting too involved and start bringing the full power of the city 145 00:09:53,780 --> 00:09:54,440 to bear? 146 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,760 What are the expectations of our residents? 147 00:09:57,060 --> 00:09:58,640 What are the expectations of a single resident? 148 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,060 And what does that cost look like and is it disproportionate to what we do to enforce for 149 00:10:04,060 --> 00:10:04,280 others? 150 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,160 So that's a little aside on the concept of municipal civil 151 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,940 infractions and fines and the punishment they bring. 152 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:17,200 Ultimately a fine can be a good incentive and we find that 95% if I had the 153 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,560 guess of the time it's pretty effective right people want to get things done they 154 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,020 want to do it right but you're going to have your few percentage points there 155 00:10:24,020 --> 00:10:27,920 that either can't afford it maybe don't have the physical or mental 156 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,220 ability to do it or just put their feet in the ground and say I'm not doing 157 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:33,800 it right and then we have to make decisions 158 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,560 And that's what the sliding scale is meant to help us with, but I'll give you another 159 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:38,240 quick example. 160 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:40,080 We have another community. 161 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,320 The fire department has issued 50 municipal civil and fraction tickets. 162 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,480 They were doing one a day. 163 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:51,120 For about 22 days on one issue, and then the issue pivoted, and then they did about 28 of them. 164 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,180 I'm roughly 50. 165 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:52,940 It might be in the 40s. 166 00:10:53,400 --> 00:11:00,000 For the next so many days, for a secondary issue that arose to this particular establishment 167 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:07,080 and it doesn't solve anything to just keep issuing ticket over and over and over when you're dealing with a bigger business. 168 00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:13,980 Because it's either going to be a cost of doing business at some point or they're just going to put their, again, their feet in the ground and say, let's have a hearing. 169 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:28,260 Let's have the judge tell us we're wrong, right? And at some point, the real administrative logistics of that as I have to remind everyone is every single day we write a ticket to somebody, every single day that means somebody at the court has to create a new file and has to create a new input 170 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:31,840 And that's to create new data into the court system and monitor and track. 171 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:37,360 And then, as the loop continues for 30 or 60 days, how are we tracking those? 172 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:38,180 How are we scheduling those? 173 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,820 So there's always that logistical problem too. 174 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:44,800 So a little bit of an aside, but a little bit of a peek into the world that we deal with with fines and 175 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:45,920 with municipal civil infractions. 176 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:50,020 And I don't know if that was everything we were hoping to talk about tonight, but 177 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:52,260 hopefully that's a good start and set the groundwork for the discussion. 178 00:11:52,260 --> 00:12:00,340 So just to clarify, we do, because this came up, I was asked just to clarify that we do have that in place right now. 179 00:12:00,460 --> 00:12:02,280 It's 250, 500 and 1,000. 180 00:12:03,020 --> 00:12:05,080 150, 250, 500 and 1,000. 181 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:06,560 150, okay, thank you. 182 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:15,760 And all right, and then I understand the criminal fines. 183 00:12:16,940 --> 00:12:20,700 So if somebody doesn't cut their grass, and they regularly don't do that, 184 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:25,580 But we have the ability to cut the grass and send them a bill for that. 185 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,640 We do, so now that would be a fee. 186 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:32,060 So to give you more context on that, there's an actual state law on what they call an 187 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:35,500 actious weeds, but it also covers grasses that rise above six inches in height. 188 00:12:35,980 --> 00:12:38,540 Every community can set their standard over six or higher. 189 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,200 And ultimately as long as we've placed the public on notice in some way, typically it's done 190 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,340 through the cable channel or some other website notice type of thing at the beginning of the season, 191 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:55,720 Then yes, we have the statutory authority to just go cut their grass and send them our bill, our costs, we can have an administrative oversight fee added to that, et cetera. 192 00:12:56,020 --> 00:13:00,860 But that bill is basically a fee, it's a fee for the service we've just provided to you because you didn't do it yourself. 193 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:07,720 That is not a punitive fine, it is not meant to be punishment, and it is not meant to make the city money, it's meant to make the city whole. 194 00:13:08,940 --> 00:13:15,380 And as long as we stick to that general guideline, the attorney general will say, as they've said in the past, that's okay, it can be a little higher, a little lower. 195 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:36,120 But as long as it's in the ballpark and reasonably guesstimated that money then ultimately gets placed against the taxes against the property if they don't pay it and at some point in most cases, assuming we have an ordinance which we do here, the county buys that from us on the tax rolls, the county pays us for that cost of service and then the county has to deal with the collection of the foreclosure issue on that. 196 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,360 All right, and so using the example of a grass not being cut. 197 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,620 If somebody just never does it, and is there any time they get a code enforcement violation? 198 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,020 That's completely up to the discretion of the city. 199 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:54,980 We could write them the first time, we could give them grace, and write them on the 10th time. 200 00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:59,600 Okay, there is an avenue if it's a chronic problem that is never addressed. 201 00:13:59,820 --> 00:14:00,140 Absolutely. 202 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,220 Okay, just wanted to clarify that. 203 00:14:02,740 --> 00:14:05,360 All right, any other questions by Council on this? 204 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:14,420 All right, Mr. Farina, would you like to have any say on this because we did talk, you and I were talking about this. 205 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,820 Okay, all right, I think we're good on this. 206 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,820 Thank you very much for clarifying that. 207 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:23,420 Okay, yes, come on up. 208 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:37,330 My name is Arminapala, I was hearing what the lawyer was talking about. 209 00:14:37,330 --> 00:14:59,490 Well, I want to bring up to your attention, like you said, some properties are private, but also if the city allows the mic to have a build engineers to come and remove the piping from the private sorting that's in their yard, who is over that contract. 210 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,920 I released that because we do have that problem that I found out where I live at right here on 14. And I dug a little further. Um, they are probably getting with me, but I'm not calling about in the more because I got it ain't got to. But when a person removed a park system from the sword as privately owned on a property that posted on drain the water out, right? But they got to approve from the city that they can remove their park. 211 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,320 system from that and don't have nothing to do with that privacy or 212 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:40,540 and they are. And when you'll give that permission, who do that? Who signed the 213 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:44,840 contract when they does that? Because I asked that question with everybody on 214 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:50,940 the business phone and some machine and still ain't still got no return call. 215 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,740 But when I asked everybody, why come I haven't got a return call? Everybody wants to 216 00:15:56,740 --> 00:16:03,440 They didn't get me a disgrace, they didn't get none, but that's another problem I have with a phrase. 217 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:12,040 So the question haven't been answered because one of my neighbors did have that done because the flood and 218 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:18,200 how the water was steady coming up and everybody else, so she removed, she had her engineers and 219 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:25,040 vendors, removed her pipe system from that drain thing and her back yard to be away from it. 220 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:34,460 So I want to know who is responsible for that train. I ask everybody since 23 all the way to press it 221 00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:40,360 No one is answering that question. Everybody want to have an attitude in this city here 222 00:16:40,980 --> 00:16:49,100 And I'm gonna let you know how I'm feeling now. I'm getting ready to try to sell my house and get out of here because it seemed like when somebody 223 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:55,660 a resident like me wants to get things done because I got caught in something 224 00:16:55,660 --> 00:17:00,300 that wasn't real with me. I got some paperwork that you guys city don't have on 225 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:05,020 record and then when I showed them they'll like that should have been on record but 226 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:09,760 you guys don't have it so back then when some people was working for this city 227 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,500 when they retire or whatever they did they had to do some under-the-table money 228 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:20,320 anything. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. We're talking about fines and fees. I guess this is a 229 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,660 fine. But this is a. This is a. Okay. I understand what you said. But what you 230 00:17:24,660 --> 00:17:29,220 talked about property private stuff that you got problems with neighbors about 231 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:33,580 the grass. This is a sore thing. That's probably property too. But what I'm 232 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:38,820 trying to find out who is responsible once the city gave her permission to remove 233 00:17:38,820 --> 00:17:43,940 her pie system from it. Who is responsible for that sore? That's in her backyard. 234 00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:45,260 I guess she's no longer responsible. 235 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,540 That's not what we're talking about here right now. 236 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:50,220 If there's a code ordinance violation, 237 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,960 that's what we're talking about to feed against. 238 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,780 That's part of the call organization also, too. 239 00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:59,300 Well, this is not that conversation right now, though. 240 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,020 Yeah, I, but it's kind of like blend in 241 00:18:02,020 --> 00:18:02,660 with the law. 242 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,500 It was kind of saying it may be in a different form 243 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:07,840 where I'm telling you, but it's part of it 244 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,600 because I looked it up. 245 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,840 I also went to listen to get more answer 246 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,420 or what he was talking about is part of it 247 00:18:14,420 --> 00:18:17,240 because he's talking about two people with private 248 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,060 about their yard, then that shouldn't even be discussed 249 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:21,320 because that's private. 250 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:23,880 If that's considered private, then that's private. 251 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,520 So which way are we gonna go? 252 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,240 And how do you get me up for that? 253 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,780 But if you're gonna talk about private property, 254 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,100 then what he said, and to get fines instead of part of that 255 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:38,700 is a problem too because that means 256 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:48,160 that person is not taking care of, which are allowed to get approved by builders and engineers in their yard, and they're not taking care of it. 257 00:18:48,260 --> 00:18:57,500 So that's part of the problem too. So it's almost the same like the grass. Like if you got a fence in the grass coming underneath the fence, from their property, that's the sign, it's no different. 258 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,040 So I wait till you get to that, but that's part of it too. 259 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,220 Thank you. Any other comments on this? 260 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:16,780 All right, we'll move on then, we'll go to item 7b, approval of the Parade Permit for the 2026 Homecoming Parade on October 9th at 6 p.m. 261 00:19:18,140 --> 00:19:19,600 Who would like to make that motion? 262 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:23,880 I'll make a motion to approve the Homecoming Parade Permit. 263 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:33,940 All right, we have a motion by Council Member Fletcher, seconded by Council Member Beranski to approve the Homecoming Parade Permit for Friday, October 9th at 6 p.m. 264 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,760 and all in anyone in the audience like to speak on this. 265 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:40,300 All in favor say aye. 266 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:41,020 Aye. 267 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Proposed, motion passes the parade permit is approved. 268 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:53,020 All right, that is the regular order of business tonight is fairly light agenda and now we will move to citizen participation. 269 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:01,520 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I was getting, you know, I wanted to get us out, report of city administration. 270 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Great. Thank you. 271 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:10,680 Excited to say that we have had amazing participation in a lot of our parks and recreation events 272 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:18,660 recently. For example, we had a craft event earlier this week. We had 52 people that participated 273 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:24,460 in the event. So I would like to certainly thank Chris and his team of people for building 274 00:20:24,460 --> 00:20:30,080 great programming. Pretty much a one-man band and they're really doing a lot and also over 275 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,660 at the Senior Activity Center, so just like to thank them and acknowledge that we are 276 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:40,500 certainly pushing forward in trying to do as many events as we possibly can with one 277 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:40,800 person. 278 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:47,180 The industrial park roads have been making great progress, so I don't know if anyone has 279 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:50,980 had an opportunity to go out there and take a look at it, but they're to the point now, 280 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:58,600 where Maylin, which was the main road through there, is already about half-torn, actually 281 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,180 a little bit more than 4 and a half, I believe. 282 00:21:00,820 --> 00:21:05,180 A river area, they've got that road pretty much half done and the majority of the rest 283 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:10,400 of the roads are completed, however they do still have the access points to do and a lot 284 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,080 of finished work once they get all of the concrete in place. 285 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,080 So definitely if you can get out there and take a look at it, that'd be great. 286 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:28,540 The project done 14 mile between Hayes and Garfield, sorry, Macomb County is going to be 287 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:30,640 doing some of the pavement preservation. 288 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760 So they're going to be cutting out strips of the concrete 289 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,680 and replacing that. 290 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,320 That is scheduled to start next Monday, August 17. 291 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,880 The anticipated schedule is for about 30 days 292 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,800 whether permitting. 293 00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:47,440 They will be maintaining at least one lane open 294 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,420 at a time for that. 295 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:50,680 That is all that I have for now. 296 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:51,140 Thank you. 297 00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:53,420 I did go by the industrial park roads 298 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:55,700 and are looking really good. 299 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:58,260 everything that's been done is phenomenal. 300 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,820 It's a little bit tougher right now because they have a lot of one ways and then without 301 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:10,620 main drag down to one lane, it certainly is a little bit of a hamper but they are moving pretty 302 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:11,540 swiftly, which is great. 303 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,100 That's correct to finish this year as they planned it. 304 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,320 As far as I know, yeah. 305 00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:15,780 Great. 306 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,100 Council Member Bransky. 307 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:24,040 Yeah, I just wanted to ask the clerk to kind of give the citizens a rundown of this amazing data 308 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,020 that you put together. 309 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:31,820 Well, because I think it's important to see, it's not a criticism of you, it's a criticism 310 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:37,140 of our society, these are abysmal turnouts for what is one right we have. 311 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:40,280 But it's shocking to me, it's sad. 312 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,960 Well, I provided you with the raw data from the Qualified Voter File, which is like this 313 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,760 page here, it's broken down by age and gender, it's just kind of hard to read as well as the 314 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,460 AV breakdown. 315 00:22:51,460 --> 00:23:02,360 It's much easier to read in this nice big sheet that I gave you here that just shows what percentage of our voters is now voting absentee, which is well over half of our voters. 316 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:07,780 Yeah, 58% of our votes for this election were cast absentee. 317 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,740 We only had 159 people vote early this time. 318 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:13,360 Primaries usually don't have a big early vote turnout. 319 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,160 In November, it will be much, much higher. 320 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:15,820 We expect it. 321 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:20,300 But it was definitely an expensive early voting season per voter for us. 322 00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:24,640 We had about 30% turn out for the selection. 323 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,360 It's a, you were motivated, you're motivated, if you're not, you're not, you know, there was, that's just how it is. 324 00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:32,700 So the numbers are there. 325 00:23:35,530 --> 00:23:39,810 Yeah, we had 3,701 people vote, we have 12,200 registered voters. 326 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:45,210 So, but the trend of more people voting absentee is continuing. 327 00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:49,190 And we had probably 100 people come in with their absentee ballots and vote in person, 328 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:53,810 which takes it off that number and puts it in the other number, so it does what? 329 00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:59,490 It makes a show up as walk-in and not an FCT, so the other data over here will show you 330 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:04,870 just exactly how many we mailed out that very first ballot sent in return summary. 331 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:10,210 You'll see how many we sent out FCT ballots, like in pre-seq 1, we sent out 627. 332 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:15,790 Is that your data that you said 70% of the FCT ballots that were mailed out were? 333 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:26,030 I mean back right so 30% either didn't vote voted in person yeah didn't vote a voter in person yeah we 334 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:31,960 have to have early voting we do for any federal election. 335 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,460 So we won't next year for the local but we will again in October okay thank you for nine days. 336 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:39,480 Thank you for this. 337 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,940 I think it's actually above average from where to the last primary till the last primary is 338 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,780 Yes, more people voted remember the last primary was talked in between a presidential primary 339 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:56,900 And the presidential election and there wasn't any meat on the bone right there 340 00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:02,360 So that that primary in August between a presidential primary and a presidential election is always crickets 341 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:06,120 It's just a shout out to all your people your local elections are just as important 342 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,520 If not more than the bigger ones, thank you. 343 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,080 Yeah, comparing it to two years ago isn't really as relevant. 344 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,360 Four years ago is much more accurate. 345 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Yeah, it's better than 22, right? 346 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,740 Yes, it is better because of the rise of absentee balance. 347 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:24,060 I was just going to say that the permanent list has definitely increased turnout even in our local elections. 348 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,200 When off the bat, there's 3000 ballots going out right away. 349 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,800 It's more accessible to people, you know, that I might not be able to make it otherwise. 350 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:40,480 like it. Now vote people or do with changes. People fought for it. 351 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:48,320 All right. Any other comments? All right. Then we will move on to report a Mayor and 352 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,880 City Council. Council Member Fletcher. All right. So I hope everyone had a happy July 353 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,520 and is having a good August so far. One thing I do want to bring up because I saw a fairly 354 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,460 recently online. I know there has been increased discussion regarding 355 00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:08,480 FOC safety within our community as well as outside of our community. 356 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:12,640 And one thing I noticed in particular was that on Facebook, 357 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,060 there were some people that wanted to talk about it. They were being 358 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,580 totally kosher with one another, but I understand it's one of those conversations 359 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:24,780 that can evolve and the moderators of the side group decided they didn't want to allow it. 360 00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:28,680 Totally got it, but I do think that's really important conversation to have. 361 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:36,080 I, our contract will not be up until September of 2027, so we have a lot of time and we're 362 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,220 not going to imagine breaking that contract whether we'd like it or not. 363 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,800 But I would like to take that time to gather as much information as I can on flock. 364 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,200 And I'm going to, if there is interest in it, hold possibly some sort of town hall, 365 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:56,220 some court of gathering, coffee, any hour, whatever, whatever people would like, for those 366 00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:57,860 was that aren't interested because there were some people 367 00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:59,320 that did want to talk about the details. 368 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,740 So I plan to gather as much objective and subjective data 369 00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:05,300 to talk to actually Sam from DPS 370 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,320 and really get down to the nitty gritty on it 371 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,440 so that I can give information back to people 372 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,240 when they do have questions. 373 00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:15,400 So for right now it's kind of obviously 374 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,780 we can't really do much about it, 375 00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:19,700 but what I can do is get as much information as I can 376 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:23,000 and when it comes time to evaluate that further down the line, 377 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,560 We have that information to discuss as a community and a side whether we want to continue with our contract or not. 378 00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:35,240 Aside from that, if anyone obviously wants to email me in in in Taram has any 379 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Sort of resources they like to send to me by all means and purposes, but it's kind of like my little pet project because I think it's important and 380 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:51,720 Personally, I am against flock safety. I won't get into the details right now, but I just think that there is serious concerns for 381 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,040 fourth amendment rate violations and for the safety of folks in general. 382 00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:02,600 So with that, I hope everyone has a great rest of their month and yeah, that's all I got. 383 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,880 Thank you very much, Council Member Bransky. 384 00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:06,960 I don't have anything to report. 385 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:09,340 All right, Council Member Perry. 386 00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:13,080 Nothing at this time, Mayor Pro Temo-Dell. 387 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:22,460 I just want to say the Frazier Lions Carnival had a great turnout, well-attended, overall 388 00:28:22,460 --> 00:28:24,480 very good comments on the fireworks show. 389 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:30,380 Maybe a minute or two shorter than normal, but the quality of the fireworks were better 390 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:38,220 from what I could get with the different discussions, so I'm happy to be walking pretty much every 391 00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:43,720 road and Frazier and around this area. A lot of neighbors said they really enjoyed the firework show this year. 392 00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:54,200 And so it was well attended and well received. And the Lions Club did really well with the carnival again. 393 00:28:54,420 --> 00:29:00,600 So as well a tentative event, I think it's getting better and better. They had the foam party, parks right at the foam party. 394 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:07,000 I think the petting zoo helped out with that and also attended one of the movies in the park. 395 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,900 I got two or three weeks ago and it was well attended. It was a beautiful night and 396 00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:20,160 you know it's a great free family event that the city puts on. So I encourage families with 397 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:27,040 young children. They're family-friendly movies to attend and take advantage of our offerings. 398 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,720 And so other than that, that's all they have. 399 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,360 All right, thank you very much. 400 00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:33,160 Councilmember Higgins. 401 00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:39,400 A couple things just want to thank our clerk and all of our election workers who helped 402 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,620 make the election last Tuesday possible. 403 00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:47,040 Working in their neighborhood polling precincts, people who worked at the AV counting board. 404 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,400 The Frazier Historical Commission wanted me to pass on that they have their next open house, 405 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,120 September 13th, from 1 to 4 p.m. 406 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,920 they have a bunch of items that have been donated for 407 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:28,760 The barren sale and particularly a lot of books. It's all at the Baumgrenter House, the museum, and the depot. Sadly, one of the commissioners, a long time commissioner at large, passed away, Dory. So they did want to pass on that they have two openings for commissioners on the historical commission. And one commissioner at large position, that's available as well. And they wanted to pass on their appreciation to the city and all of the help they get from the DPW. 408 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:35,520 Very good. Thank you very much. I just got a couple things. The tutel tour happened last 409 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,720 week at the Frazier Bomb Gardener House that was put on by the Frazier beautification 410 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:49,960 club and the Frazier First Booster Club and the Frazier Historical Commission and the Frazier 411 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:56,400 Historical Society. It was a garden tour and refreshments and it was really nice. If you 412 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,380 I haven't been to Samantha's Garden, you should check it out. 413 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:06,740 There were a variety of local artists there too and it was, it's just a sign, this beautification 414 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:12,480 club really works really hard to improve the appearance of our community and this was 415 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240 one of their shining moments, so congratulations to all of them. 416 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:22,080 Praying Carnival, Praying was a great time, did not twist my ankle on Garfield this year, 417 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,800 So the road was smooth and it was not injured. 418 00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:30,440 Last week I attended the mayor's, Michigan Association, 419 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:32,080 a mayor's conference in Farmington. 420 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,920 If you haven't been in Farmington lately, 421 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,060 it's really a great little town to check out. 422 00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:37,820 They've got a lot going on. 423 00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:42,900 They were named the Great American Main Street City 424 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,240 of the year for 2026. 425 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,260 And at that conference, we met with about 30 mayor's 426 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:50,740 and village presidents throughout Michigan. 427 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,540 And we talked about a lot of things, what's happening in Lansing, the budget, where the 428 00:31:56,540 --> 00:32:04,960 budget's headed, and other things regarding, the flock came up, ADA compliance, how do 429 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,900 we, how do, and I'm sure we're working on that on the website, and how do we make our 430 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,900 government accessible to people with disabilities as special needs. 431 00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:18,300 And that sounds like a challenge on its own, and the state keeps kicking that for smaller 432 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:22,980 communities I understand, like ours, they kicked the deadline back another year or something 433 00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:28,920 like that for some of those. So that was a great experience. I met a lot of mayors, met the 434 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,720 mayor of Ferndale, Pleasant Ridge, Niles, Springfield, Michigan, anybody know where that's at. It's like 435 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,240 the center line of Battle Creek. It's in the middle of Battle Creek. But we had a lot of great 436 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,820 conversations and when I discovered when I go to these things is that we all shared common problems, 437 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,020 infrastructure problems and economic development challenges and things like that. 438 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:57,000 The main one is we have a lot of needs and not enough funds to solve all the problems 439 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,500 all at once, so we'll continue those conversations. 440 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Other net, thanks again for the carnival and that's it from me. 441 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:09,640 We will now move on to citizen participation. 442 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,860 This is the point in the meeting. 443 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:14,380 If you have something to say that's not on the agenda, now's your time to come on up and 444 00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:14,960 We can talk about it. 445 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,360 Anyone in the audience like to speak? 446 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,080 All right, Mr. Farina, come on up. 447 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,800 Good evening. 448 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:36,940 Good evening. 449 00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:39,660 1545, Rameling Drive. 450 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:46,620 I'm glad that you talked about the fines and implementing something into that. 451 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:58,860 I know that our code enforcement people would like to do less time at the legal system. 452 00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:08,400 more time on the field and I hope that that helps that it was also brought up in our discussion 453 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:19,180 about that that people were allowed and entities were allowed to apply for variances and receive 454 00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:25,480 variances if they're behind in their taxes. I don't know whether you guys talked about that or not 455 00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:35,440 tonight. We agreed at that steering team committee, if they were behind on their taxes, they 456 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:47,200 shouldn't be granted favored by the city. And so I don't know where that stands. I also was 457 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:54,100 very proud of you guys last week, last month when we're talking about the library. I thought that 458 00:34:54,100 --> 00:35:00,160 they were ill-prepared for a meeting and they just would not talk about finances. 459 00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:08,360 You said you were going to foyer the financial data, did you guys ever get that financial 460 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,080 data from them? 461 00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:11,740 I don't, we get a copy. 462 00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:19,720 I think one of the library members, board members here, you can talk to them about getting 463 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:20,500 it directly from company. 464 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:25,430 That's it. 465 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:27,710 I appreciate all that you do. 466 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:32,350 I know it's not easy, but we do appreciate you. 467 00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:34,050 Okay, thank you very much. 468 00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:35,990 Anyone else like to speak? 469 00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:37,550 Yes, come on up. 470 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:38,210 My 471 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:45,500 name is Miss Pollard again. 472 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,440 I miss your last meeting. 473 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,300 And the last meeting that I was here on June 11th, 474 00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:56,140 I'll discuss there about the taxes on people 475 00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:59,180 who don't have kids that can't, you know, 476 00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:02,360 with the school stuff that we get in charge. 477 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:15,940 I noticed on my texting, we didn't charge more taxes for this school, but the people who doesn't have kids that don't call there at all, we don't have no access to it. 478 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:25,840 And then the issue, I was talking about this sore thing, private sore thing, and people home, that sore thing is no longer hers. 479 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:34,160 because they are way they are for it y'all have some kind of contract when they do do that here in the city of phrase. 480 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:39,960 I want to know who responsible for that sort to make sure it's being cleaned out. 481 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:50,020 Because according to the Michigan law when they have the private sort they're going to backyard those are supposed to be checked by I guess either the DP or the city. 482 00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:59,820 I'm not sure which one bring for my answer on that to make sure they've made this in it that because I'm not only one getting flooded from all three to back yards 483 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:07,140 and house to the left for me and right at me. I'm getting the water. I don't have none of those big sewer drains in my yard. 484 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:12,220 I was told that I supposed to have someone calling to the blueprint, but it's not true. 485 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:19,260 So, how do we go forward or making sure those people taking care of that? 486 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:26,020 That should be part of a fine also, too, because it could be grass inside of it, like when 487 00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:31,300 I had the county number come up, because I kept trying to deal with the city about the 488 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:35,440 sewer thing where the water was coming up from the streets all the way to Mallorca and also 489 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,240 the sewer that's in my driveway belongs to the city. 490 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:46,600 They they ignore me. So the county took over when they took the top off. It was a lot of mud in there 491 00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:51,040 That never been clean, you know way before me 492 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,980 Then I found out that I'm really the filth person on this property 493 00:37:55,980 --> 00:38:01,060 Which didn't show everybody who was on this property where I live at 494 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,220 And I'm with this I'm with I'm with attorney about these people couldn't grasp and take your name 495 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,800 I'm so glad you're talking. I don't know your name. Turn me. What's your name? 496 00:38:15,370 --> 00:38:16,290 Oh, no, it's not up here. 497 00:38:18,090 --> 00:38:19,410 Maybe I have to know. 498 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:22,390 I'm kind of 499 00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:26,750 going to throw that information up because on my street on the front. 500 00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:33,230 You got a lot of people they can see their own trash stuff in their yard. 501 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:38,690 And we don't have to win. It is sit there and then when we do get win, they'll watch it. 502 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:43,850 And then it comes and everybody else y'all, I'm not nobody's babysitter or nobody's keeper. 503 00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:52,650 I keep my yard clean, I also keep that sewer thing on the outside because I watch my one neighbor to the left of me. 504 00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:59,390 He's very nice to hear, he'll walk right past this stuff and won't pick it up and then it ends up in my yard. 505 00:38:59,770 --> 00:39:06,710 So I'm just trying to keep stuff from being in my yard and also that goes in as when I sewer that blocks it. 506 00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:11,750 But I won't keep getting the water coming up from the streets to my house. 507 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:15,450 So I'm kind of glad he did bring it up in these other residents. 508 00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:20,410 That's got the concern about that because we got some people that not taking care of their property. 509 00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:31,110 And then, um, I got told on, um, all the everybody come, the neighbor to the left lying on me, said I was digging in my yard. 510 00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:32,630 I was messing with the cable box. 511 00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:35,210 So all the everybody come to my house. 512 00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:41,670 I got nothing to hide. They had their phones and the yard was still like I was or anything. I removed it 513 00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:47,510 Was the the two the three places that the informed people had in the square box 514 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:51,690 Because it was drawing was in peace. I am allergic to it 515 00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:53,910 The empty pin is 516 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:54,690 1800 517 00:39:55,470 --> 00:40:00,190 There used to be when you get them two for five hundred so I cannot afford it 518 00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:06,130 So when he came I had to let everybody come to see because it was trying to give me a fine and a ticket 519 00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:11,250 One by what he said but at the end of the day he was covering himself up 520 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:17,810 So when they looked over his face they see some stuff that he did a whole lot of stuff and they say he never came in there to pull 521 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:22,650 No permit. So I'm glad that is been that need a piece 522 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:29,490 Taking care of but we got to do better. You guys are taking care of these other business street like 523 00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:37,850 15 and stuff. I understand that. But what about 14? I got some serious issue on 14. I got my 524 00:40:37,850 --> 00:40:45,050 investigation paperwork. Part of my problem is on other streets, part of the river. I had 525 00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:53,350 my stuff from them. But the sign said they were supposed to take care of the sign from August 526 00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:59,310 they said 10 through August 13th, August the 10th was Monday and they haven't done nothing. 527 00:40:59,910 --> 00:41:03,090 So why is 14th always being on a bad partner? 528 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:05,970 I found out why the resident don't come. 529 00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:10,790 They said the same issue that I'm, you know, trying to come here to get taken care of. 530 00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:15,210 They said you guys don't care and they told me they're not going to listen to you. 531 00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:18,010 They're going to just throw you all, say they're going to call you tonight. 532 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:26,010 So pretty much all colors, I understand them, and I'm to the point I'm leaving. 533 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:32,210 Something, I'm giving you a heads up, you're probably going to be glad I'm leaving, I'm leaving, because I don't feel like the 534 00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:37,830 taxes that we paying for some of time, it's worth it, we're just a small little tie, I didn't make all of it. 535 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:41,370 Okay, thank you very much, thank you for your time. 536 00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:43,470 Anyone else like to speak tonight, 537 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:56,430 can you give us your names and where you're from? 538 00:41:56,430 --> 00:42:07,250 Yeah, Redford. I'm Sarah Redford and we're from Frazier York Street. I'm here for the 539 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:13,070 ordinance of chickens, like having chickens in Frazier. I would like that to either be 540 00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:20,550 changed or be grandfathered in because my great-great-grandparents had chickens on the property 541 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:29,190 that I live on now. And there are a lot of good reasons that having tickens are a good idea. 542 00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:38,530 One of them is that you can feed them a lot of scraps and like they're very economical. 543 00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:47,270 And when I was in Africa, we just fed them a lot of scraps and it gave us 544 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:50,710 It caused this to have a lot less landfill. 545 00:42:52,990 --> 00:42:55,950 They have give you fresher eggs. 546 00:42:56,470 --> 00:43:00,130 They're healthier and taste way better than store-bought eggs. 547 00:43:00,430 --> 00:43:05,050 They significantly reduce the insect population by eating many kinds of insects, 548 00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:06,590 including ticks and mosquitoes. 549 00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:09,450 This makes your yard a way better place to be. 550 00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:11,470 They are also like a cleanup crew. 551 00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:15,270 After storms, they clear down vegetation and in general. 552 00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:18,070 They eat weeds, leaves, and long clipping. 553 00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:21,590 As I said before, you don't have to waste scraps and leftovers. 554 00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:24,010 Chickens are walking composters. 555 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:26,110 Their poop is excellent fertilizer, 556 00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:29,930 and they help the process of composting with poop and eggshells. 557 00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:32,110 Not only do they help with composting, 558 00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:33,830 but they also help aerate the yard. 559 00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:36,810 They do this by scratching for food. 560 00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:39,610 For many people, chickens are a source of joy, 561 00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:41,470 and to some, they even relieve stress. 562 00:43:42,110 --> 00:43:44,330 Chickens may not seem as fun as a dog or a cat, 563 00:43:44,330 --> 00:43:48,530 but it's the funnest thing ever to feed them treats and they follow you around. 564 00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:55,750 Chickens teach a lot of responsibility, such as collecting eggs, cleaning the coop and feeding and watering them. 565 00:43:56,150 --> 00:44:00,290 Instead of staring at a screen, kids can take care of chickens and have fun with them. 566 00:44:00,850 --> 00:44:03,130 Collecting chicken feathers can be a fun hobby. 567 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:07,570 Observing them up close gives you a chance to learn more about feathers. 568 00:44:09,830 --> 00:44:14,690 Although some people may think chickens are messy and smell bad, with proper care and attention, 569 00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:19,470 chickens can be the perfect day out on to keep roosters may be loud, but that could be 570 00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:21,110 solved by only allowing hands. 571 00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:23,910 Chickens are everywhere, why not in Frazier? 572 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,840 Hi, my name is Sarah Redford, and I'm here today for the ordinance about chickens. 573 00:44:30,180 --> 00:44:34,520 I would either like the ordinance to be changed or give us an exception to be grandfathered 574 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,560 and because our great-great-grandfathers, grandparents, had chickens on our property. 575 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,760 Chickens are awesome. 576 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:45,160 One of the reasons chickens are awesome is their great-learing sources. 577 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:47,700 They also be a lot of bugs, pests, and scrap. 578 00:44:48,660 --> 00:44:50,060 Their poop is fertilizer. 579 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,500 Watching them behave can be science for kids. 580 00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:58,600 They also are really fun to play with and can relieve stress. 581 00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,840 they give fresh 582 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,900 Egg, so you can give all your neighbors some eggs a few out of extra. Warren, Roosevelt, Clinton, Township, Detroit, and other local communities have found a way to have chickens. Why not, Frazier? Some problems might be noise. Chickens going into other people's yards and not enough space. Some answers to that might be no roosters allowed. You have to have a coop in a room and you need 10 square feet, but chicken outside of the coop and 4 square feet, but chicken inside the coop. We want chickens because they're super fun and awesome and we want to know more about how we could have chickens. 583 00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,400 Thank you very much, you did very well. 584 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:39,760 I don't think I've ever heard the word poop as fertilizer at a council meeting in all my time. 585 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:40,900 Thank you. 586 00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:43,520 All right, anyone else I can speak? 587 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:58,940 Good evening. 588 00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:05,880 Good evening, Mr. Mayor of council, Jim Sutherland on behalf of the Frazier Public Library. 589 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:13,880 We had a special meeting on Monday to go over our choices. 590 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,100 is from the architect, and also some other financial stuff. 591 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,600 We will be receiving the, we picked one that we liked. 592 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,520 We will be receiving all the stuff from the architect 593 00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:29,340 at the end of this month. 594 00:46:30,260 --> 00:46:33,300 So we will be here next month for a full presentation 595 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:34,900 on the bond. 596 00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:38,540 We will have, you guys, we'll send you guys, 597 00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:39,980 we've sent you some stuff. 598 00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:43,040 We'll send everything again out to everybody 599 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,560 so that they have it all in one packet, so you don't have to go looking for the passable. 600 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:56,900 And that's really all I wanted to bring to you is the fact that we'll be coming next month. 601 00:46:57,820 --> 00:47:02,320 Okay, and you'll have that to the city manager or whatever date that she needs. 602 00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:04,240 It's fully prepared by end of August. 603 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,860 They told us it's coming end of August, so I got ten days, right? 604 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:21,340 We need materials by the 26th. 605 00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:21,440 Yeah. 606 00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:22,620 Okay. 607 00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:25,970 It's the 10th, I think. 608 00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:26,310 Wait. 609 00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:31,950 For me. 610 00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:35,830 Why do I have to, the 26th of August? 611 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:36,990 Yeah. 612 00:47:37,310 --> 00:47:38,710 September packet. 613 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:43,840 Yeah. 614 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:45,160 Yeah. 615 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:48,860 We go to 10 business days and we go 10 days. 616 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:57,860 You tell me the data and I'll buy the 26th August 26th August 26th, okay, what day is that it's a Wednesday. 617 00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,460 Thank you very 618 00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:04,690 good, okay, thank you very much. 619 00:48:04,810 --> 00:48:06,490 Thank you appreciate the update. 620 00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:09,490 Anyone else, there's 621 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,840 only one person left. 622 00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:17,800 Do you want to speak, sir, okay, all right, thank you very much. 623 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:36,000 Which that concludes the regular part of the meeting, item number 11 is a motion to go into closed session to consult, I will make a motion to go into closed session to consult with the city attorney to consider written legal opinions exempt exempt from discussion or disclosure. 624 00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:43,660 I have a motion by Mayor Lessich seconded by Councilmember Baranski to go into closed session, roll call please. 625 00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:44,320 Boranski. 626 00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:44,700 Yes. 627 00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:45,340 Flesher. 628 00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:46,340 Higgins. 629 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:46,860 Yes. 630 00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:47,440 Lesich. 631 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:47,940 Yes. 632 00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:48,420 Odell. 633 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:48,940 Yes. 634 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,360 Perry. 635 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:49,860 Yes. 636 00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:51,540 Shornack is absent that passes. 637 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,500 It is now 7.19. 638 00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:55,860 We will go into close session. 639 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:52,380 There's now 7.46 p.m. We're back from the closed session. I would entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Motion by Council Member Higgins. Seconded by Council Member Bransky to adjourn the August 13th regular meeting at 7.47 p.m., all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you very much. 640 01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:55,540 Y'all made it, you see this. 641 01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:56,080 Bye-bye.