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[Captioner present]

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[Background conversation]

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>> Good evening.

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I call to order the Board of Supervisors meeting Wednesday

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August 12th 2026.

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We have before us Pastor Ross Holzberg

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from new Hope Lions Church who will

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be delivering the invocation.

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Pastor thank you for coming out tonight.

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>> Please stand.

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Let us pray.

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Almighty father the creator of the universe

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come the sustainer of the universe.

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We lean into your wisdom.

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Knowing that you are ever present.

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Omniscient and omnipotent.

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Tonight in this room there will be words

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spoken with great passion.

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Hopefully with great wisdom and insight.

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Might we be reminded that you are the God of all creation

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and therefore are called to love one another.

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And rightfully disagree.

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In rooms like this.

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Give to our leaders the wisdom needed

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to discern what is best, not just for the hour

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but for the future.

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We thank you for those who are involved in our education

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system, as today was the first day of school.

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We ask, O Lord, your divine protection from the evil one.

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Throughout our entire county.

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Your gracious, you are kind, and might we find ourselves

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filled with wonder of who you are.

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In the name of Jesus Christ.

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Amen.

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>> Vice Chair.

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>> Remain standing.

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Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

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of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Thank you.

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Next up is the adoption of the agenda.

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How would the board like to handle it?

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>> Chairman I would move for the adoption of the agenda

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as presented.

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>> All those in favor.

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[Members voting aye]

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>> We have an agenda perfect.

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Next item up is citizens comments.

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Now this is for agenda items that are not

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subject to a public hearing.

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Madam clerk?

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How many do we have signed up?

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>> Mr. Chairman we have right now 17 folks signed up so I will

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call the first name and the second one to queue so that we

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can keep it moving.

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>> Okay a couple things please.

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When you come up, give your name, your magisterial district

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and you have three minutes and we're

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going to ask you please keep the applause because when

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she's calling the second name, people can't even hear it.

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We got a complaint the last time about their name being called

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and they didn't even know that it was being called.

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So just let it flow.

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Okay?

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Please.

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>> Donald Matlock followed by Vicki Michaels.

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>> Evening Donald Whitlock from the Gainsborough District.

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Good evening Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

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I live on Babbs Mountain Road in the path of the Valley links

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proposed study routes for its Valley North project.

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I'm here with a coalition of neighbors from Babbs Mountain

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Road, who has spent the past month working

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alongside her county staff on a challenge we all share.

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We have connected with more than 200

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of our neighbors, families in the path of these lines,

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to bring them evidence based factual information

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about what's coming and how we can respond to it.

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We see ourselves as partners with the board in this

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and we have tried to do our part.

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Informing the community and doing research

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so that you are decision makers have solid evidence

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based policies to work from.

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That research is now in your hands.

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We have delivered two reports and two formal proposals

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for your consideration.

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Like in July, we don't want to comment with just objections we

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want to come with workable solutions modeled

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on what has actually succeeded in other counties

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across Virginia.

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That's why I'm here tonight.

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Alongside my neighbors from Babbs Mountain Road.

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We know that you do not have control

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over the final decisions.

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That these decisions are made by the SCC.

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We are not asking you to promise anything you can't deliver.

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Instead, we are asking you to act on the research

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and to use what we've learned from other counties

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and to leverage our, your authorities to influence

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the siting of electric transmission lines.

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Specifically we're asking for you to do two things.

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First, direct the county to draft an electric transmission

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infrastructure and corridor policy

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amendment to the Comprehensive Plan

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to be approved before Valley Link files with the SEC.

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The timing on this is everything.

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The comprehensive plan is the primary tool

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this county has to influence the SCCs decision.

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And without it, Frederick County has

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no ground on which to stay in.

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The second, is to take action on our two proposals.

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One funds a citizen led advisory group

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to this board, a team of experts,

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to build the technical and legal record the county's case

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will need.

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At $250,000, the same amount our sister counties have each

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committed.

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The other creates by ordinance a standing energy corridor program

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guided by a citizen led steering committee

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and reactivates our county's conservation easement authority,

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which is currently not taking applications.

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But when leveraged, would help deter and prevent

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transmission siting through our protected lands for years

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to come.

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Other counties acted early and used the tools they already had.

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And it changed where the lines went.

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The research on this is clear.

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Our timing is key.

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Before Valley Link goes to the SCC.

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Working together we can do the same for Frederick County.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Vicki Michaels followed by Wendy Dorsey.

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>> Mr. Chairman supervisors my name is Vicki Michaels and I

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live in the Stonewall District.

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I have to say the Facebook has been busy.

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With telling us that you all have already

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decided how you're going to vote on the two pending

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applications for data centers and it'll

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be for Twitter's decision and who the bad guys will be.

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I am choosing not to believe it.

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Because money can influence a lifestyle, but quality of life

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equals happiness and you all are intelligent enough

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to realize that.

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And most importantly, you are our leaders and men

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of integrity.

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My father always told me that integrity

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is who you are when no one is watching.

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When you look in the mirror, who you see back

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is more important than what others see.

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Webster's dictionary defines integrity

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as the quality of being honest, complete,

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and fair in your morals.

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All that I have was given to me by God,

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and we are charged to be accountable good stewards.

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Stewards of honor, good stewards of what we have been given,

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good stewards of our land and water.

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Thank you for being transparent honorable men of integrity who

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are good stewards.

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I trust that when you vote on the amendment

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to remove data centers as an allowed use and all

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of the county's zoning districts,

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it will be implemented quickly and has

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been written to ensure no loopholes, specifically

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in the TM and flex areas Flextech areas.

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And that it defines what a data center is and then prohibits

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them.

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From every zoning district rather than removing them

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from any mention.

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Some weeks ago, I asked that you do your due diligence,

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I'm asking that before either of the two applications previously

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submitted can be considered any further or voted on.

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That you have a water study and environmental impact analysis

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completed.

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Regarding transmission lines, for the record,

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a meeting held by invitation only is not a public hearing.

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[Applause] To quote my favorite fictional character

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Spock, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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Your constituents have made it clear

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that the many do not want 220 acres of rural land rezoned

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to make a few people rich, building a data

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center at the detriment of Frederick County land water

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and peace of mind.

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And for that matter, any data center especially one

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that is going to be directly across the street from residents

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at the gateway.

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A vote in such a manner that you are

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proud of the man looking back when you look in the mirror.

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Thank you.

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>> Wimpy Dorsey.

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Followed by Gary Shepherd.

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Wendy Dorsey.

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>> Folks it's exactly why we asked please keep the applause

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down.

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Could not hear it and I -- several complaints at the last

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meeting for the same reason.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm, I appreciate

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that you agree with them.

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But hold the applause please.

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Give the folks that are speaking some respect to.

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Thank you Ma'am.

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What's your name Anna --

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>> Wendy Dorsey Gainsboro members of the board thank you

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for the opportunity to speak to you tonight.

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I'll be clear with you up front so you can be certain where

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I stand and what I ask of you.

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I am opposed to any and all data centers and megawatt

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transmission lines in Frederick County.

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I'm on the Frederick County Conservation Easement Authority,

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the mission is to preserve undeveloped land.

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This has been set up to promote business land

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owners with their placing their land into conservation easement.

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We are not a fully functioning authority as we cannot hold any

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easements without funding.

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Because of this, anyone in Frederick County

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who wishes to place property into easement

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must use private entities such as Potomac Conservancy.

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Conserved properties using private entities

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do not have access to government resources and personnel,

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like the state Attorney General, to utilize

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when our concerned properties are in jeopardy

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as they are by Valley link.

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Our properties have been specifically

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targeted by Valley Link because they are undeveloped spaces.

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Help defend the property you have told us you value.

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Fill the gap that is left because there

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is no way at present to put our land and conservation

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easement with Frederick County.

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I ask that you show you will defend that which you promote.

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Additionally, for both power lines and data centers,

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many things were set into motion before information

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became public.

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Many of us are concerned that residents and natural resources

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are not a priority.

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Not being protected and respected.

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There is no out of the way place where a data

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center can be safely put.

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A data center is not a standalone building,

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they create a campus of substations, transmission lines,

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gas turbines and generators.

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They use huge amounts of energy and water.

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I spoke to Frederick Water today,

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and a very rough estimate I was given

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is that in total, all residential customers

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in Frederick County use 3.2 million gallons a day.

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With 18,000 residential connections the math comes up

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to about 178 gallons per day per connection.

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The would be developer of the proposed Winchester Technology

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Park, estimates that even with the closed loop system they will

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use 10 to 20,000 gallons per day.

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But have asked Frederick Water to supply them with 120,000

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gallons per day as a buffer.

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Frederick Water has agreed to supply this amount and more.

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If necessary.

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We here as in a June 17th work session R1 40 minutes,

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water is not an issue.

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But a statement one month later said

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Frederick water is fortunate to have a variety of water sources

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and Quarry reservoirs but those reservoirs

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could be depleted quickly under excessive demand.

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We ask the community to act now to avoid

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the impacts of severe drought in the future.

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This is without data centers in the mix.

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>> Thank you madam.

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Thank >> Gary Shepherd followed by Elizabeth Aylor.

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>> Good evening board.

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Supervisors.

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And chairman Joel.

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My name is Gary Shepherd.

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I have the privilege of being the president

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of the current battlefield Association.

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Our battlefield, if you haven't visited,

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is 355 pristine acres of very early settlement land.

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In Frederick County.

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It is also the site of three Civil War battles,

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and the KB a, 17 members on the board all volunteers,

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maintain that entire property.

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Our interest is not only maintaining

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the property and the mission of teaching history

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and preserving the history of the battlefield,

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but also to be a part of the historic community in Frederick

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County and Winchester.

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3/5 of the battlefield is in the county.

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2/5 is in the city.

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So you all have an interest.

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And one of the interests we have is our view shed, the water,

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and the electrical use, and the noise that these data

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centers are going to generate.

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We understand the need for data centers.

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Somebodies got to maintain the internet,

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somebody's got to store the data.

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There's plenty of other places in Frederick County.

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Where these data centers can be placed, where they're away

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from everybody and isolated.

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You can't put them near residential areas.

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One thing that keeps getting missed is the noise.

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And I'm talking about the low frequency noise.

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The 35 decibel and below.

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And the data centers keep avoiding this

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and they don't want to do a study.

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If you've all followed what happened in Havana Cuba,

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at our consulate to our embassy people, our State Department

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people, they all came down with these mysterious ailments

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of headaches, nervousness, sleep problems.

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All of the kinds of aches and pains.

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And this is going to be from low frequency noise being

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shot at the consulate.

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That kind of disturbance across from neighborhoods,

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like where the two are now planned, will be a problem.

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They also will cause breathing problems

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with animals, that's a problem.

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We've got 80 head of cattle, being

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run on the property as part of funding for the battlefield.

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That's going to also affect other farms as well.

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But it's also going to affect the residents that

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live right across the street.

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Doesn't matter to me whether they put up 14 foot berms

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or not.

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Thank you.

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>> Elizabeth Taylor followed by Arisa Ostertag.

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>> Hey y'all Elizabeth Aylor Back Creek.

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I stand up here again before you to remind you

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of the precious resources that we have in amongst us

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in our community.

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Where such guardians and stewards

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of this great Shenandoah Valley and the Appalachian Mountains

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and what privileges we have to be

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Americans and Virginians here.

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I work in a global marketplace.

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Every single thing that is coming down

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the pipe to us starting with data centers, is an illusion.

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It's not real.

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It's rich men selling stuff to other rich men

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and keeping a divide because it isn't us against us,

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it's us against them and they're coming.

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They're coming for our rural lands,

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they're coming for our water, they're

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coming for our way of life.

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Now I took a pledge of allegiance

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under God in order to be able to be a guardian and a Steward

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and I will fight to the death for that.

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I am a patriot.

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As are you.

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I am also a historian and I have read

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so many stories of heroes and American patriots

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and good men that stand against the tides during hardship

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and prosperity to protect us.

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And I believe and I trust in all of you

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that you will listen to the voices

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here as community members, as citizens, as neighbors.

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Our community is not a business.

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It's our home.

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What do we do in a world where they come for lightning bugs?

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That are going to go extinct?

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Can any money ever replace that?

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What do we do in a land that they don't value, water itself?

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Sustenance, life?

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We have the opportunity to work together in order

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to create abundance for future generations that

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could be extraordinary.

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Things to be proud of.

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Legacy.

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Honor.

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These are the things that we need to invest with.

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Soulful work together.

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Community, neighbors helping neighbors,

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that's how we've always been.

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That's how our roots run deep.

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We're all connected, we're all kin in that way.

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One one is busted up on the side of the highway you stop.

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If some family member is passing,

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you hold them in their grief.

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If a mother needs you to hold their child you do it.

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Because that's the honorable thing to do.

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We're sitting here talking about money and money don't have

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nothing to do with any of this.

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Nothing.

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We're better than this.

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And I'm telling you, there is a storms coming for us.

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Things you don't even realize.

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These tech oligarchs and these billionaires are psychopaths.

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And they don't care about us.

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They're coming for us.

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And I'm Warning you.

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I've been Warning you.

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Have mercy on us and protect us, be the men that we deserve.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you Ma'am.

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>> Theresa Ostertag followed by Alexander Ritter.

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>> Name N --

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>> Hello my name is Theresa Ostertag.

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I am from Battle Creek.

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It's adding words oh my God -- just one second.

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I want to start by saying this.

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We have so much to be thankful for.

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We live in this beautiful county where

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we are blessed to have our precious people land on water.

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Because all our very fragile.

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Kind of like you don't want a fox in a hen house

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we don't want data centers either.

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Or gas turbines creating power.

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They come with a huge cost as well.

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They cannot be discounted or undone.

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We have an incredible amount of talent value

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and worth in the people in this room including you guys.

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We have to find a way to trust again.

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But until these things get locked down in policy,

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but also that you do not include high energy use facilities

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on the comprehensive plan which include solar, substations,

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data centers, utility corridors and tech corridors.

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Putting them in the comprehensive plan

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is like creating a nest for a bird,

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a bird will show up if you build it.

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If you create all the things in this plan

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our future will always be on the hook.

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Please honor this survey and the wishes of the people

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above anything else.

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Even ahead of the developer inside of you.

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I'm going to end on this.

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This is where it added words.

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Recently in Loudoun County the board member

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said this is about a data center application.

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The daycare approves of this application.

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These businesses approve this application.

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It is an industrial zone, this location

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is not in a residential zone, and the developer compromised.

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These are the words of someone elected that made promises.

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They aren't keeping.

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Please don't be them.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you Ma'am.

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>> Alexander Ritter followed by Paige.

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>> My name is Alexander Ritter I reside in the Pecan District.

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I wanted to say that I support the broader

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goal of this amendment.

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The ordinance amendment to remove data centers.

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However if the goal is to prohibit them then

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we need to ensure that the amendment actually does that.

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Which as currently written, I do not believe it does.

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Let's talk about the draft that I read that was sent out

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on August 7th.

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The draft deletes the data center definition

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and removes the room from the use matrix

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but nowhere is there any mention that data centers

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are prohibited.

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Normally, simply removing a use and leaving it unlisted

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in the ordinance would ban it.

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But Frederick County is different.

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Let's take a closer look at why that is.

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And the use is not provided section was just added

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to the ordinance on May 13th of this year,

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it establishes a process for handling unlisted uses that is

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uses that are not listed in the zoning ordinance.

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It directs the zoning administrator,

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who is underneath the planning Director,

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when a use is not listed to determine the most

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similar listed use type and to treat the proposed

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use as the same as that one.

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And a use as prohibited if the administrator

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finds it similar to nothing in the ordinance.

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So if the administrator determines

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that an applicant comes in and they submit a project

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and they look at the use and they say oh, it's

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similar to let's say a warehouse.

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Which is an existing use type.

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Then we have a problem.

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A warehouse is by right and several districts making

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that project by right by default.

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Administrative approval without a hearing.

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No of course you can provide us with a assurances

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that a project would not be interpreted in such a way.

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But because it is not written in chapter 165

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there's nothing binding anyone to those assurances.

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Additionally the sections on use is not provided,

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never gives any clear criteria for what a similar use is

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and the lack of clarity regarding

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what constitutes a simple use is equally problematic.

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The ordinance doesn't tell us what

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makes one similar to another and even if the zoning administrator

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does not determine a data center project to be

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similar to any other listed use, an applicant

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could choose to challenge that determination.

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The developer could argue that the facility is actually

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a warehouse or some other existing classification.

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The question is, what provision of the ordinance

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prevents that argument from being made.

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It's important to ask these questions because if you think

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a developer won't exploit that, well they most certainly will.

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And even if they didn't the ordinance

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shouldn't give them the opportunity in the first place.

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Good zoning law shouldn't depend on everyone agreeing forever

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about what the drafters intended.

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It should just say what is and isn't allowed.

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So if you intend to ban data centers,

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let's ensure that the amendment accomplishes that.

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Keep the definition, expanded, keep

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the data center with every cell empty,

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that's how it's written in the ordinance.

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Amend to bar administrative reclassification

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and applying language stating that data centers are prohibited

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use.

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Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> Page followed by Cleo's Trebatius.

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>> Hi my name is Paige I'm from Gainsboro.

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I am so tired of having to come here and fight for our county.

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For the data centers, for the Biolink, everything.

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I have five kids and I would love

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to be spending time with them.

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But on the other side of that I have five kids

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and my kids see that their mama shows up

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all the time to fight for the place that they live in.

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I'm so tired of hearing, we need to run

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Project County like a business.

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And respect the people in Frederick

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us because you guys are businessmen.

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But when you're using data centers like a payday loan,

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it doesn't feel like we're running it like business.

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I live six minutes from this aqueous thing at the triple J.

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And I'm not even in the little barrier thing

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invited to the thing, but I will be detrimentally impacted.

524
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My five children will be detrimentally impacted.

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My asthma, their breathing problems coma detrimentally

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impacted.

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I understand there's only so much you can do but like we need

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y'all to stand up in a bold way.

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To show that you two, respect Frederick County.

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This is our home.

531
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,482
This is our heart this is our community, our village,

532
00:34:13,482 --> 00:34:16,222
we want development because it's coming right?

533
00:34:16,222 --> 00:34:18,630
We want growth but we want it great.

534
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:23,420
We want it so that our children, my 20 year old my 19 year old,

535
00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:27,922
my 119 and six year old can come back and work actual livable

536
00:34:27,922 --> 00:34:28,422
jobs.

537
00:34:28,422 --> 00:34:31,222
Can be proud of the county that they live in.

538
00:34:31,222 --> 00:34:33,442
Can afford the McMansions we see everywhere.

539
00:34:33,442 --> 00:34:35,818
Because they work here in Frederick County.

540
00:34:35,818 --> 00:34:36,882
I want that for them.

541
00:34:36,882 --> 00:34:38,922
I want our schools to be the best.

542
00:34:38,922 --> 00:34:41,657
Because that's why Virginia is supposed to be known for.

543
00:34:41,657 --> 00:34:43,528
I want all of our stuff.

544
00:34:43,528 --> 00:34:46,140
Leslie Spencer famously has said that here on the East Coast

545
00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:47,890
Frederick County is one of the last places

546
00:34:47,890 --> 00:34:49,645
with actual real dark skies.

547
00:34:49,645 --> 00:34:51,395
You can turn off your lights in your house

548
00:34:51,395 --> 00:34:52,562
and we have true dark skies.

549
00:34:52,562 --> 00:34:55,739
I can see the Milky Way from my back deck in the cold.

550
00:34:55,739 --> 00:34:58,395
We need to protect that like our lives depend

551
00:34:58,395 --> 00:34:59,962
on it because they do.

552
00:34:59,962 --> 00:35:01,565
Like Frederick County is not fire

553
00:35:01,565 --> 00:35:03,148
so we don't need to hack everything up

554
00:35:03,148 --> 00:35:05,398
and we don't have money and take it to the pawn store.

555
00:35:05,398 --> 00:35:08,807
I'm tired of hearing we have plenty of water and then a week

556
00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:13,802
and a half later I get a Warning hey conserve your water.

557
00:35:13,802 --> 00:35:17,742
In my neighborhood there's a pond that is spring fed

558
00:35:17,742 --> 00:35:20,962
and for the last four years I've watched it dry completely out.

559
00:35:20,962 --> 00:35:24,314
I live up by North Mountain and I watch people on Frog Hollow

560
00:35:24,314 --> 00:35:26,188
come out their wells bottom out.

561
00:35:26,188 --> 00:35:28,550
We have a problem already.

562
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:30,340
And it's just going to be exacerbated.

563
00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:31,802
Please take care of us.

564
00:35:31,802 --> 00:35:33,802
We need you.

565
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:35,578
[Applause]

566
00:35:35,578 --> 00:35:38,578
>> Leo followed by Chuck Tinsley.

567
00:35:43,479 --> 00:35:45,410
>> Good evening board of Supervisors.

568
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:51,962
My name is Cleo, I'm actually a resident of Winchester City.

569
00:35:51,962 --> 00:35:54,362
That data center is.

570
00:35:54,682 --> 00:35:58,666
That language needs to be removed, or sorry the language

571
00:35:58,666 --> 00:36:00,738
around data centers being removed entirely

572
00:36:00,738 --> 00:36:04,338
instead of it being deliberately prohibited,

573
00:36:05,228 --> 00:36:08,914
your reasoning for that might be beyond,

574
00:36:08,914 --> 00:36:13,242
at least the public understanding as to the why.

575
00:36:13,242 --> 00:36:16,182
But as you've heard everyone behind me

576
00:36:16,182 --> 00:36:18,666
very passionately express, it needs

577
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:24,242
to be explicitly clear that data centers are not welcome here.

578
00:36:24,242 --> 00:36:27,538
Simply removing the words does not

579
00:36:27,538 --> 00:36:31,242
mean that data centers are not going to be allowed right?

580
00:36:31,242 --> 00:36:36,242
It just opens a Pandora's box for what could be a data center.

581
00:36:36,242 --> 00:36:40,202
If the county isn't going to specify specifically.

582
00:36:40,202 --> 00:36:43,500
The corporations and special interests

583
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,154
will always look for loopholes and ways

584
00:36:45,154 --> 00:36:47,786
to extract our resources and exploit our land.

585
00:36:47,786 --> 00:36:50,458
The people of Frederick County here tonight

586
00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:53,868
do not want to continue to declare time and time again

587
00:36:53,868 --> 00:36:57,393
for months now, that they do not want data centers.

588
00:36:57,393 --> 00:37:00,891
Your role as supervisors is to represent the interests

589
00:37:00,891 --> 00:37:01,889
of your constituents.

590
00:37:01,889 --> 00:37:06,220
Not out of state developers or even local developers,

591
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:10,222
if their interests involve just getting money.

592
00:37:12,661 --> 00:37:14,661
Right?

593
00:37:15,482 --> 00:37:17,752
They can make as much money today

594
00:37:17,752 --> 00:37:20,826
and tomorrow, they really are not considering

595
00:37:20,826 --> 00:37:22,442
our children's future.

596
00:37:22,442 --> 00:37:24,842
Our water, our lands.

597
00:37:24,855 --> 00:37:28,370
And the impact that this kind of development

598
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:31,322
will make and exacerbate the current climate crisis as

599
00:37:31,322 --> 00:37:31,935
described.

600
00:37:31,935 --> 00:37:36,833
So while I may not currently be a resident of Frederick County,

601
00:37:36,833 --> 00:37:39,442
I know I am not the only one Chester City

602
00:37:39,442 --> 00:37:40,962
resident here tonight.

603
00:37:40,962 --> 00:37:43,950
Standing in solidarity and opposition

604
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:46,695
against reckless development, not to mention

605
00:37:46,922 --> 00:37:49,605
Valley Link even just thinking about data centers

606
00:37:49,605 --> 00:37:52,144
but it is all the same struggle.

607
00:37:52,144 --> 00:37:55,676
For our water, our lands, and our lives.

608
00:37:55,676 --> 00:37:59,859
Not just our way of life but truly our lives.

609
00:37:59,859 --> 00:38:04,659
Data centers in even Loudoun County impact us.

610
00:38:04,802 --> 00:38:11,122
So a potential data center that is a mega size 220 acre data

611
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:15,282
center would no doubt have negative impacts

612
00:38:15,282 --> 00:38:17,695
for all the people who are surrounded

613
00:38:17,695 --> 00:38:21,167
by Frederick County, namely Winchester city residents.

614
00:38:21,167 --> 00:38:23,552
So please protect your constituents,

615
00:38:23,552 --> 00:38:27,655
protect our environment, and prohibit data centers

616
00:38:27,655 --> 00:38:29,148
once and for all.

617
00:38:29,148 --> 00:38:34,922
I would like to end my time with a quick quote from Aldo Leopold.

618
00:38:34,922 --> 00:38:37,340
Conservation is getting nowhere because it

619
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:39,946
is incompatible with our Abrahamic concept of land.

620
00:38:39,946 --> 00:38:41,815
We abuse land because we regard it

621
00:38:41,815 --> 00:38:44,339
as a commodity belonging to us, when we see land

622
00:38:44,339 --> 00:38:46,590
as a community to which we belong we may begin

623
00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:48,482
to love it and respect it.

624
00:38:48,482 --> 00:38:52,820
>> Jack Tinsley followed by Terry Flynn.

625
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:58,720
>> Hello everybody.

626
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:02,200
My name is Jack Tinsley Gainsboro.

627
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,682
Let me tell you all about West Virginia.

628
00:39:04,682 --> 00:39:07,147
West Virginia lost their fights a long time ago,

629
00:39:07,147 --> 00:39:09,220
two bills were passed that stripped authority

630
00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:12,622
from all the cities, the counties, the local governing

631
00:39:12,622 --> 00:39:14,314
bodies, the people themselves.

632
00:39:14,314 --> 00:39:18,155
To have any input on the construction and use of data

633
00:39:18,155 --> 00:39:20,892
centers and they have confidentiality provisions

634
00:39:20,892 --> 00:39:23,418
so their people can't even know what's being built.

635
00:39:23,418 --> 00:39:27,482
Because of that the people have had to pay over $250 million

636
00:39:27,482 --> 00:39:29,730
in increased taxes and our neighbors

637
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:31,162
here in Berkeley County are going

638
00:39:31,162 --> 00:39:35,820
to see three rate increases for electricity in the next 18

639
00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:37,553
months, two of which are going to be within the next six

640
00:39:37,553 --> 00:39:38,530
months.

641
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:41,362
Do we want to see that happen to us?

642
00:39:41,362 --> 00:39:42,642
That's right.

643
00:39:42,642 --> 00:39:45,182
And that's why you all have people united

644
00:39:45,182 --> 00:39:46,991
across political spectrums and backgrounds

645
00:39:46,991 --> 00:39:49,658
because we're fighting the same fight and we have a common enemy

646
00:39:49,658 --> 00:39:52,602
and that's the data centers and the transmission line.

647
00:39:52,602 --> 00:39:56,157
So I appreciate what the county is signaling cherry juice

648
00:39:56,157 --> 00:39:57,852
said that he wants a ban.

649
00:39:57,852 --> 00:39:58,922
I appreciate that.

650
00:39:58,922 --> 00:40:01,922
The Planning commission voted 10 to 0

651
00:40:01,952 --> 00:40:03,428
denying Equus which was beautiful.

652
00:40:03,428 --> 00:40:04,962
Gateway withdrew.

653
00:40:04,962 --> 00:40:08,382
But that doesn't mean they can't reapply again.

654
00:40:08,382 --> 00:40:12,100
Equus is having an invite only bring your ID meeting

655
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,354
at the Clearbrook Fire Department on the 25th

656
00:40:14,354 --> 00:40:17,302
to intimidate and cajole our neighbors into supporting

657
00:40:17,302 --> 00:40:18,462
their plans.

658
00:40:18,462 --> 00:40:21,299
We need and demand more than the first step

659
00:40:21,299 --> 00:40:23,102
to ban future data centers, we need

660
00:40:23,102 --> 00:40:26,730
to demand a rejection of all of them in our county right now

661
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:27,642
today.

662
00:40:27,642 --> 00:40:31,298
We've got two live applications at the board

663
00:40:31,298 --> 00:40:32,802
can shoot down at any moment.

664
00:40:32,802 --> 00:40:35,192
Attorney Fox said that he was scared that we'd get sued.

665
00:40:35,192 --> 00:40:35,932
So what?

666
00:40:35,932 --> 00:40:37,462
This is America.

667
00:40:37,462 --> 00:40:39,522
You can get sued for anything that

668
00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:42,482
doesn't mean they're gonna win.

669
00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:46,682
They need to prove that they have vested rights, that's

670
00:40:46,682 --> 00:40:49,202
saga significant affirmative governmental acts.

671
00:40:49,202 --> 00:40:51,842
Plus good faith reliance from the developer.

672
00:40:51,842 --> 00:40:55,702
Plus extensive obligations made and substantial expenses

673
00:40:55,702 --> 00:40:59,917
paid in diligent pursuit with a 10 to 0 vote on Equus,

674
00:40:59,917 --> 00:41:01,828
the withdrawal of gateway there isn't saga

675
00:41:01,828 --> 00:41:03,684
there's not even a week saga.

676
00:41:03,684 --> 00:41:04,185
Nothing.

677
00:41:04,185 --> 00:41:06,479
So what are you afraid of?

678
00:41:06,479 --> 00:41:07,102
Barnett.

679
00:41:07,102 --> 00:41:08,204
Alike now.

680
00:41:08,204 --> 00:41:12,362
Do your job or put people in power that will and believe me

681
00:41:12,362 --> 00:41:13,890
there are plenty of people behind me

682
00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:15,935
that are already running for U.S. Seats.

683
00:41:15,935 --> 00:41:19,822
So we'll see you in November, we'll see you again in a year

684
00:41:19,822 --> 00:41:21,893
after that because we're not going away.

685
00:41:21,893 --> 00:41:25,544
I have a QR code for folks to see where they're registered

686
00:41:25,544 --> 00:41:27,522
to vote if they're registered to vote,

687
00:41:27,522 --> 00:41:29,902
how to register to vote so see me outside

688
00:41:29,902 --> 00:41:31,774
and I'll tell you what else we're planning

689
00:41:31,774 --> 00:41:33,122
to stop these data centers.

690
00:41:33,122 --> 00:41:35,122
Thank you.

691
00:41:35,449 --> 00:41:35,949
[Applause]

692
00:41:35,949 --> 00:41:39,549
>> Terry Flynn followed by Todd Folmsbee.

693
00:41:41,842 --> 00:41:42,862
>> Good evening.

694
00:41:42,862 --> 00:41:46,866
My name is Terry Flynn, I'm from the Back Creek District.

695
00:41:46,866 --> 00:41:49,642
And I agree with all the comments.

696
00:41:49,642 --> 00:41:53,722
I just want to bring forth two comments for the transmission

697
00:41:53,722 --> 00:41:55,394
lines that I have not heard spoken.

698
00:41:55,394 --> 00:41:59,635
As far as the transmission lines go, we live in a valley.

699
00:41:59,635 --> 00:42:03,950
Are air quality is stagnant as best

700
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:06,628
and you want to bring in transmission lines that are only

701
00:42:06,628 --> 00:42:10,772
going to increase the stagnation, the radiation,

702
00:42:10,772 --> 00:42:14,793
and anything else that would come from the lines.

703
00:42:14,793 --> 00:42:16,842
And as far as the lines go also they

704
00:42:16,842 --> 00:42:19,842
want to take up your forms, your orchards,

705
00:42:19,842 --> 00:42:23,935
these are our last hope for clean food.

706
00:42:23,935 --> 00:42:25,515
Our last hope.

707
00:42:25,515 --> 00:42:27,464
I pray that you will not take it away.

708
00:42:27,464 --> 00:42:31,862
And as far as the data centers go, why do we need data centers?

709
00:42:31,862 --> 00:42:34,242
What's the purpose of them?

710
00:42:34,242 --> 00:42:40,212
We have smart watches, we have computers, we have smartphones,

711
00:42:40,212 --> 00:42:43,295
we have smart appliances, we have smart TVs,

712
00:42:43,295 --> 00:42:46,302
now we have cars that will dictate

713
00:42:46,302 --> 00:42:49,415
or can tell you when you're capable of driving.

714
00:42:49,415 --> 00:42:52,202
And from what I have read today, I

715
00:42:52,202 --> 00:42:54,602
do believe that coming down the pipe we're

716
00:42:54,602 --> 00:42:57,862
going to have grocery carts that are going to take your pulses,

717
00:42:57,862 --> 00:42:59,862
your respirations, y?

718
00:43:01,562 --> 00:43:04,980
Why do they need all this information?

719
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:09,498
Did we not learn anything from the COVID pandemic?

720
00:43:10,988 --> 00:43:16,988
(Indistinct) they made a problem in common with a solution.

721
00:43:16,993 --> 00:43:20,226
I pray, this is down the road it may not happen tomorrow

722
00:43:20,226 --> 00:43:23,388
it may not happen to years it may not happen in three years.

723
00:43:23,388 --> 00:43:25,820
But the writing is on the wall and I

724
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:27,428
pray that you would vote accordingly.

725
00:43:27,428 --> 00:43:29,428
Thank you.

726
00:43:30,242 --> 00:43:33,842
>> Todd Folmsbee followed by Rebecca Rieger.

727
00:43:33,842 --> 00:43:37,794
>> Chairman Board of Supervisors my name is Todd Folmsbee

728
00:43:37,794 --> 00:43:40,842
I'm a resident of Frederick County on Quam district I'm here

729
00:43:40,842 --> 00:43:43,342
tonight because I have deep reservations about allowing data

730
00:43:43,342 --> 00:43:43,842
centers.

731
00:43:43,842 --> 00:43:45,450
Development or county because I believe

732
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:46,950
that this board has a responsibility

733
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:49,562
to be the protectors of the people who live here.

734
00:43:49,562 --> 00:43:51,862
And I'm asking you tonight to table the vote

735
00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:53,957
and take the time to finalize the language.

736
00:43:53,957 --> 00:43:55,828
To protect our county.

737
00:43:55,828 --> 00:43:58,512
Understand the argument for simply deleting references

738
00:43:58,512 --> 00:44:01,350
to data centers sounds like a good thing,

739
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:04,322
but deleting something is not the same as prohibiting it.

740
00:44:04,322 --> 00:44:05,962
The distinction matters especially

741
00:44:05,962 --> 00:44:09,683
given how the (Indistinct) are written specifically

742
00:44:09,683 --> 00:44:11,930
to address the use as not written concern.

743
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:13,872
If the ordinance does not specifically

744
00:44:13,872 --> 00:44:15,894
prevent data centers an unlisted use

745
00:44:15,894 --> 00:44:19,802
can still be evaluated through a closest comparison process.

746
00:44:19,802 --> 00:44:22,592
And that's, if we remove the language that

747
00:44:22,592 --> 00:44:24,842
identifies the density while leaving the door open one

748
00:44:24,842 --> 00:44:27,822
could come back with something else a warehouse, storage,

749
00:44:27,822 --> 00:44:29,655
light industrial use so I'm asking the board

750
00:44:29,655 --> 00:44:31,402
to make five specific changes.

751
00:44:31,402 --> 00:44:33,818
First one in the referral to the Planning Commission

752
00:44:33,818 --> 00:44:36,348
so the commission can fully examine the implications.

753
00:44:36,348 --> 00:44:39,722
Second retain and expand the definition of a data center

754
00:44:39,722 --> 00:44:40,844
don't delete it.

755
00:44:40,844 --> 00:44:43,177
This definition has to stay there the definition matters

756
00:44:43,177 --> 00:44:45,668
because the county can't effectively prohibit something

757
00:44:45,668 --> 00:44:47,289
that's failed to define.

758
00:44:47,289 --> 00:44:49,970
Third write an actual prohibition in plain language.

759
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:53,442
Data centers are not permitted in any zoning district period.

760
00:44:53,442 --> 00:44:56,520
Do not simply delete the term.

761
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,282
Fourth, please keep the data center row in table six one,

762
00:44:59,282 --> 00:45:01,442
and just leave that row empty and empty

763
00:45:01,442 --> 00:45:03,362
prohibited use row communicates something very

764
00:45:03,362 --> 00:45:06,668
different from making the use disappear potentially

765
00:45:06,668 --> 00:45:09,422
allowing it to be treated as an unlisted use.

766
00:45:09,422 --> 00:45:12,242
Lastly please close the administrative reclassification

767
00:45:12,242 --> 00:45:12,762
pole.

768
00:45:12,762 --> 00:45:15,362
I asked you to add explicit language

769
00:45:15,362 --> 00:45:17,802
to prevent a data center from being

770
00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:20,876
classified as a warehouse storage or any type of event

771
00:45:20,876 --> 00:45:21,376
use.

772
00:45:21,376 --> 00:45:23,962
You know I would not stand here and tell you

773
00:45:23,962 --> 00:45:25,542
every data center is going to cause

774
00:45:25,542 --> 00:45:27,420
property values to collapse.

775
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:31,842
Overstate the evidence but research in Northern Virginia

776
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,944
negative properties property values in this county will drop

777
00:45:34,944 --> 00:45:36,482
and I don't want mine to drop.

778
00:45:36,482 --> 00:45:39,547
Energy costs are more concerning Virginians on analysis

779
00:45:39,547 --> 00:45:41,232
so that increasing data center demand

780
00:45:41,232 --> 00:45:43,307
is going to raise the costs for everyone.

781
00:45:43,307 --> 00:45:44,890
We're all going to pay more for power.

782
00:45:44,890 --> 00:45:47,890
We're all going to pay more cost will get pushed to taxpayers.

783
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:50,399
This is not about an industrial building someone

784
00:45:50,399 --> 00:45:52,482
else properties it's about our electric bills it's

785
00:45:52,482 --> 00:45:54,399
about our infrastructure in our neighborhoods,

786
00:45:54,399 --> 00:45:56,835
it's about our property values and it's about

787
00:45:56,835 --> 00:45:58,210
whether people who live here have

788
00:45:58,210 --> 00:46:00,908
meaningful protections before these enormous facilities

789
00:46:00,908 --> 00:46:01,842
arrive.

790
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:04,772
We're not asking you to rush, we're asking you to pause

791
00:46:04,772 --> 00:46:06,266
to fly and protect.

792
00:46:06,266 --> 00:46:09,266
Please table tonight's vote (Indistinct)

793
00:46:09,871 --> 00:46:12,140
keep the data center definition in here

794
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:14,642
and write an unmistakable prohibition of the ordinance.

795
00:46:14,642 --> 00:46:17,562
Please make the ordinance say what you mean.

796
00:46:17,562 --> 00:46:20,622
Most importantly please remember who you represent,

797
00:46:20,622 --> 00:46:23,195
the residents of this county or trusting you to protect

798
00:46:23,195 --> 00:46:24,215
the place we call home.

799
00:46:24,215 --> 00:46:26,215
Thank you.

800
00:46:28,983 --> 00:46:30,700
[Applause]

801
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:33,670
>> Rebecca Rieger followed by David Dixon.

802
00:46:34,562 --> 00:46:39,140
>> My name is Becky I'm a Gainsboro resident I'm also part

803
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:41,472
of the coalition of neighbors that have shown up here to be

804
00:46:41,472 --> 00:46:44,282
a thorn in the side to anybody with valid link.

805
00:46:44,282 --> 00:46:47,562
I'm here tonight, last week I went

806
00:46:47,562 --> 00:46:49,842
to Loudoun County for the first time in a long time,

807
00:46:49,842 --> 00:46:51,925
don't generally go over that side of the mountain.

808
00:46:51,925 --> 00:46:53,722
What I saw was surreal and dystopian.

809
00:46:53,722 --> 00:46:57,653
Data center after data center, nothing that was the entire view

810
00:46:57,653 --> 00:46:58,979
shed that we had.

811
00:46:58,979 --> 00:47:00,848
And I thought to myself what does that have

812
00:47:00,848 --> 00:47:02,150
to do with Frederick County?

813
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:03,482
What do we want that here for?

814
00:47:03,482 --> 00:47:05,178
We do have industry here Sherry.

815
00:47:05,178 --> 00:47:07,120
But not like that.

816
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,922
Empty warehouses, that's not going to bring employment here

817
00:47:10,922 --> 00:47:11,762
to the community.

818
00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:14,820
It's not going to bring what we need in the long run.

819
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:17,682
We need long term sustainable growth.

820
00:47:18,122 --> 00:47:22,740
So we're watching other counties right now.

821
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:23,418
Fight the same thing.

822
00:47:23,418 --> 00:47:27,940
And we're looking at our board and the moves look right.

823
00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:29,520
We're going to take data centers off the table.

824
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,162
I think it comes in the right direction, but also what

825
00:47:32,162 --> 00:47:34,282
about the existing projects?

826
00:47:34,282 --> 00:47:36,314
Right now we have Clearbrook going

827
00:47:36,314 --> 00:47:39,682
through an invite only meeting as page said.

828
00:47:39,682 --> 00:47:41,722
By the crow flies it affects our neighborhood

829
00:47:41,722 --> 00:47:43,162
but we're not allowed to go.

830
00:47:43,162 --> 00:47:45,160
Is anybody from the board allowed to go?

831
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,410
Who is going to be there with the citizens standing up

832
00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:48,162
for them?

833
00:47:48,162 --> 00:47:52,682
Making sure that their rights and their land is protected?

834
00:47:52,682 --> 00:47:55,875
Sometimes to me it feels like we're

835
00:47:55,875 --> 00:47:57,570
hedging our bets here so that we make

836
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:01,410
the corporate businesses happy and we make our citizens happy.

837
00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:04,370
Last time we were here we talked about the SCC,

838
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:06,622
we were told to send letters.

839
00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:09,122
Those letters were essentially trashed.

840
00:48:09,122 --> 00:48:10,462
There is no case.

841
00:48:10,462 --> 00:48:12,776
So we cannot write them at this point.

842
00:48:12,776 --> 00:48:15,392
Why are we being sent on goose chases?

843
00:48:15,392 --> 00:48:17,748
If we don't know at the end of the day in business

844
00:48:17,748 --> 00:48:18,672
it's okay to say that.

845
00:48:18,672 --> 00:48:19,762
I don't know.

846
00:48:19,762 --> 00:48:22,422
I'll get the answer for you or we'll figure this out together.

847
00:48:22,422 --> 00:48:28,282
That's what I learned in almost 20 years in corporate life.

848
00:48:28,282 --> 00:48:30,282
So yeah.

849
00:48:30,346 --> 00:48:34,797
With the data centers, like I said it's

850
00:48:34,797 --> 00:48:36,242
a step in the right direction.

851
00:48:36,242 --> 00:48:37,807
But at the end of the day, we need

852
00:48:37,807 --> 00:48:39,307
to do what's best for our community.

853
00:48:39,307 --> 00:48:42,907
With Clearbrook it will pay 237,000,000/20 years.

854
00:48:43,762 --> 00:48:46,357
That's 4% of our revenue each year.

855
00:48:46,357 --> 00:48:50,305
At the end of the day if this bubble burst is it worth it?

856
00:48:50,305 --> 00:48:53,105
Will be left the citizens you as well as citizens

857
00:48:53,105 --> 00:48:55,672
will be left with a detriment.

858
00:48:55,672 --> 00:48:58,122
We don't want to look like Loudoun County.

859
00:48:58,122 --> 00:49:00,515
We don't want to look like a dystopian future,

860
00:49:00,515 --> 00:49:02,378
we want to look like Frederick County we

861
00:49:02,378 --> 00:49:06,340
want to grow and sustainable ways that can make sure

862
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:10,486
that our children, and we have a place to retire and live.

863
00:49:10,486 --> 00:49:11,675
The future to come.

864
00:49:11,675 --> 00:49:13,675
Thank you.

865
00:49:14,413 --> 00:49:14,913
[Applause]

866
00:49:14,913 --> 00:49:18,513
>> David Dixon followed by Jennifer Smith.

867
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:26,287
>> My name is David Dixon with the Stonewall District.

868
00:49:26,287 --> 00:49:28,332
My first agenda is how Frederick County

869
00:49:28,332 --> 00:49:30,922
says they're banning data centers from the counties

870
00:49:30,922 --> 00:49:34,366
own nauts who are removing the words data centers not

871
00:49:34,366 --> 00:49:36,623
the same as prohibiting them.

872
00:49:36,623 --> 00:49:39,535
And it's written into ordinance to ban them.

873
00:49:39,535 --> 00:49:41,818
Second last time I spoke, I commented

874
00:49:41,818 --> 00:49:45,554
about the extreme level of how the Valley Link Power Line

875
00:49:45,554 --> 00:49:49,682
project is affecting the Dixon family farm and many others

876
00:49:49,682 --> 00:49:50,795
in the county.

877
00:49:50,795 --> 00:49:54,228
How they are trying to run the power lines over

878
00:49:54,228 --> 00:49:57,802
top where members of my family are buried in the Dixon Family

879
00:49:57,802 --> 00:49:58,354
Cemetery.

880
00:49:58,354 --> 00:50:01,195
My family that has passed deserves

881
00:50:01,195 --> 00:50:04,242
to be able to rest their souls in peace.

882
00:50:04,242 --> 00:50:08,642
Also I have a three year old daughter, and her health

883
00:50:08,642 --> 00:50:11,420
and to think about.

884
00:50:11,162 --> 00:50:14,900
Is where this cannot happen.

885
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:17,204
All I'm asking is to follow what the Clark County

886
00:50:17,204 --> 00:50:19,412
Board of Supervisors are doing for their constituents

887
00:50:19,412 --> 00:50:21,452
and follow their protocol.

888
00:50:21,452 --> 00:50:26,614
I heard Frederick County has put aside $250,000 towards attorney

889
00:50:26,614 --> 00:50:31,458
fees, I'm not sure exactly if that's true or --

890
00:50:31,458 --> 00:50:33,522
Clark County is at 750,000.

891
00:50:33,522 --> 00:50:35,762
Lastly with the studies being conducted

892
00:50:35,762 --> 00:50:39,330
with the mining for the Quarry, the property of the Quarry,

893
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,872
that is supposed to be a buffer zone tax mapped by the 30

894
00:50:42,872 --> 00:50:47,514
for a ten C beside my property 451 Grace Church Road

895
00:50:47,514 --> 00:50:50,535
in Clearbrook a buffer zone for its entirety.

896
00:50:50,535 --> 00:50:54,130
I would hope the survey of route 11 with the mountains

897
00:50:54,130 --> 00:50:57,260
and mounds of dirt will be a lesson learned

898
00:50:57,260 --> 00:51:00,695
as the wild buffer zones are so important.

899
00:51:00,695 --> 00:51:04,370
Also I disagree there needs to be no noise

900
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:05,882
ordinance for our farm animals.

901
00:51:05,882 --> 00:51:09,142
Like what was mentioned of another meeting,

902
00:51:09,142 --> 00:51:11,892
I don't know if that was a joke or what.

903
00:51:11,892 --> 00:51:15,242
But we don't want a Loudoun County Frederick County.

904
00:51:15,242 --> 00:51:17,242
>> Thank you.

905
00:51:17,962 --> 00:51:21,562
>> Jennifer Smith followed by Kurt Kreuger.

906
00:51:27,223 --> 00:51:29,754
>> My name is Jennifer Smith I'm from Stonewall.

907
00:51:29,754 --> 00:51:33,194
So the data center that you guys are potentially

908
00:51:33,194 --> 00:51:37,870
going to be voting on is in my backyard.

909
00:51:37,870 --> 00:51:41,618
I had the wonderful opportunity of going to Loudoun County

910
00:51:41,618 --> 00:51:44,562
this weekend and drive down Loudoun County Parkway.

911
00:51:44,562 --> 00:51:47,842
And see all their fantastic data centers.

912
00:51:47,842 --> 00:51:49,922
And they're still building.

913
00:51:49,922 --> 00:51:55,394
I can't, all the way up to Dallas Town Center from Loudoun

914
00:51:55,394 --> 00:51:57,502
County Ashburn is data centers.

915
00:51:57,502 --> 00:51:59,200
And their massive.

916
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,580
Their huge.

917
00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:04,426
And they are probably as tall as some hotels.

918
00:52:04,426 --> 00:52:09,802
Massive fenced, and in the news we continually see

919
00:52:09,802 --> 00:52:12,342
those neighbors or people in the community complaining

920
00:52:12,342 --> 00:52:16,404
about the smog and the generators and the smoke

921
00:52:16,404 --> 00:52:19,387
that it is bringing, the noise and everything else that

922
00:52:19,387 --> 00:52:20,842
comes with it.

923
00:52:20,842 --> 00:52:23,912
My concern is and everybody's bringing up

924
00:52:23,912 --> 00:52:28,402
that you guys are going to vote to remove data centers.

925
00:52:28,402 --> 00:52:31,714
They're saying good fences make good neighbors is

926
00:52:31,714 --> 00:52:34,980
very big in this situation.

927
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:38,922
Clear boundaries of what we will and will not allow is important.

928
00:52:38,922 --> 00:52:41,842
That's how companies don't sneak in.

929
00:52:41,842 --> 00:52:46,792
Corporations have a huge history of coming into rural communities

930
00:52:46,792 --> 00:52:48,792
and abusing them.

931
00:52:49,282 --> 00:52:52,500
They come in, they see land, they

932
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:54,375
see people who can't afford to fight them,

933
00:52:54,375 --> 00:52:56,642
and they use that in their favor.

934
00:52:56,642 --> 00:52:59,357
Because they know that they can take advantage of it.

935
00:52:59,357 --> 00:53:02,221
They strip their resources, and they

936
00:53:02,221 --> 00:53:05,162
leave these rural communities behind without jobs,

937
00:53:05,162 --> 00:53:10,113
with all the environmental dumping, and all the health

938
00:53:10,113 --> 00:53:11,362
problems that come with this.

939
00:53:11,362 --> 00:53:13,162
And they walk away.

940
00:53:13,162 --> 00:53:16,455
They are not held accountable, nobody thinks about it.

941
00:53:16,455 --> 00:53:18,202
And a few people in the county get

942
00:53:18,202 --> 00:53:21,602
rich while most of the people suffer for it.

943
00:53:21,602 --> 00:53:24,162
You guys are elected officials.

944
00:53:24,162 --> 00:53:27,762
You are elected to represent us.

945
00:53:27,762 --> 00:53:29,802
Those businesses are not electing you.

946
00:53:29,802 --> 00:53:33,348
They're out of state, they are out up in Washington,

947
00:53:33,348 --> 00:53:34,848
they're spending millions of dollars

948
00:53:34,848 --> 00:53:38,104
to lobby to take our rights and our votes away from us.

949
00:53:38,104 --> 00:53:40,619
To get what they want.

950
00:53:40,619 --> 00:53:44,892
You need to set strict boundaries, strong fences,

951
00:53:44,892 --> 00:53:46,518
that benefit your community.

952
00:53:46,518 --> 00:53:49,922
The people you represent, that is what you are here for.

953
00:53:49,922 --> 00:53:51,812
We are your community.

954
00:53:51,812 --> 00:53:55,232
Our investment, our lives, our future,

955
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:56,953
that's what's important to you and you

956
00:53:56,953 --> 00:53:59,980
need to reflect that, when you make decisions.

957
00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:01,902
That is not an option.

958
00:54:01,902 --> 00:54:03,813
That is what you are elected to do.

959
00:54:03,813 --> 00:54:04,994
That is your oath.

960
00:54:04,994 --> 00:54:07,255
And you should stand behind that and stand up

961
00:54:07,255 --> 00:54:08,922
for what you're supposed to be here for.

962
00:54:08,922 --> 00:54:10,562
And that is us.

963
00:54:10,562 --> 00:54:12,562
Thank you.

964
00:54:14,642 --> 00:54:18,242
>> Kurt Krieger followed by Blaine Dunn.

965
00:54:21,876 --> 00:54:23,422
>> Members of the board chair Joel.

966
00:54:23,422 --> 00:54:26,200
My name is Kurt Krieger I live in the Back Creek

967
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,735
magisterial district.

968
00:54:27,735 --> 00:54:30,575
This evening I speak for myself without compensation

969
00:54:30,575 --> 00:54:31,502
from anyone.

970
00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:35,202
I'd like to speak in favor of agenda item

971
00:54:35,202 --> 00:54:37,346
13 C referral to the Planning Commission

972
00:54:37,346 --> 00:54:41,622
which you will then hear back in another public hearing.

973
00:54:41,622 --> 00:54:45,482
Removing data centers as an allowable use.

974
00:54:45,482 --> 00:54:48,462
Smart girl with America a well known national organization

975
00:54:48,462 --> 00:54:51,642
in April 2026 published a story called

976
00:54:51,642 --> 00:54:55,442
Data Centers Are Here and more are coming our zoning

977
00:54:55,442 --> 00:54:56,674
is not ready.

978
00:54:56,674 --> 00:55:00,502
In the article they conclude unlike traditional industrial

979
00:55:00,502 --> 00:55:04,922
uses data centers generate very few jobs relative to their size,

980
00:55:04,922 --> 00:55:07,820
require enormous amounts of electricity,

981
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:09,154
and significant quantities of water

982
00:55:09,154 --> 00:55:13,200
they may look like warehouses but they function more

983
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,320
like major pieces of energy infrastructure.

984
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,360
So let's talk about data for a minute.

985
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,902
Energy infrastructure includes things

986
00:55:20,902 --> 00:55:22,418
like nuclear power plants.

987
00:55:22,418 --> 00:55:25,820
So we should be looking at them in the same light.

988
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:28,105
My only question is why are you slow

989
00:55:28,105 --> 00:55:29,272
walking this code amendment?

990
00:55:29,272 --> 00:55:32,550
It's been three months since the county attorney

991
00:55:32,550 --> 00:55:35,550
originally pro offered your choices.

992
00:55:35,222 --> 00:55:38,172
And that was May 13th I believe.

993
00:55:38,172 --> 00:55:40,492
So here it is now well into August.

994
00:55:40,492 --> 00:55:42,492
Action is necessary.

995
00:55:43,482 --> 00:55:47,390
Public health safety and welfare requires all hands on deck,

996
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:50,652
no delays are warranted in a concerted effort is required,

997
00:55:50,652 --> 00:55:55,126
to act responsibly to remove data centers from the County

998
00:55:55,126 --> 00:55:55,626
code.

999
00:55:55,626 --> 00:55:57,922
Speaking of acting responsibly, members

1000
00:55:57,922 --> 00:56:00,434
of the Board and Planning Commission county staff

1001
00:56:00,434 --> 00:56:04,200
have a duty to represent the public interest.

1002
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,282
Not their personal private or business interests.

1003
00:56:07,282 --> 00:56:09,418
During your joint work session July 23rd,

1004
00:56:09,418 --> 00:56:13,722
during the breakout sessions I was shocked when the Vice Chair

1005
00:56:13,722 --> 00:56:17,980
of the Planning Commission Roger Thomas the most senior member

1006
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:20,698
of the Planning Commission, offered his opinion that

1007
00:56:20,698 --> 00:56:24,282
the McDonald farm in the Back Creek District Carson Lane

1008
00:56:24,282 --> 00:56:28,962
Heights Road is a great place for a data center because quote,

1009
00:56:28,962 --> 00:56:32,722
it's surrounded by solar fields and junkyard and a substation.

1010
00:56:32,722 --> 00:56:37,122
Notwithstanding that the farm is miles away from the water

1011
00:56:37,122 --> 00:56:41,102
service area, miles outside of the urban development area,

1012
00:56:41,102 --> 00:56:44,122
and three miles west of I 81, according

1013
00:56:44,122 --> 00:56:48,562
to the adopted policies and plans you put into place,

1014
00:56:48,562 --> 00:56:50,499
it is inconsistent and incompatible

1015
00:56:50,499 --> 00:56:52,633
for development as a data center.

1016
00:56:52,633 --> 00:56:55,890
Moreover the solar field junkyards and substations all

1017
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:58,655
are exist with the approval of the county

1018
00:56:58,655 --> 00:57:00,722
or the aqueous and so the county.

1019
00:57:00,722 --> 00:57:04,582
So you created the instance the circumstance the environment

1020
00:57:04,582 --> 00:57:07,260
and then it's being used as a cudgel against people.

1021
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:10,186
The enrichment of one land owner at the expense of many

1022
00:57:10,186 --> 00:57:13,292
is not securing the public interest responsibly.

1023
00:57:13,292 --> 00:57:16,200
I urge you to put an end to the 15 month

1024
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,102
saga of leading the McDonald's on and taking data centers out

1025
00:57:20,102 --> 00:57:20,972
of the code.

1026
00:57:20,972 --> 00:57:23,282
I would further suggest that other pieces

1027
00:57:23,282 --> 00:57:27,602
of energy infrastructure also be removed from a thank you.

1028
00:57:27,602 --> 00:57:31,202
>> Blaine Dunn followed by Pete Soloski.

1029
00:57:42,315 --> 00:57:46,515
>> My name is Blaine (Indistinct) those opposed

1030
00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:50,642
to data centers have raised the following issues.

1031
00:57:50,642 --> 00:57:54,512
Water, power, save the view, budget issues,

1032
00:57:54,512 --> 00:57:56,120
National security.

1033
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,882
The board has the ability to allow

1034
00:57:57,882 --> 00:58:00,186
for data centers in Frederick County address

1035
00:58:00,186 --> 00:58:03,420
the concerns of those close to data centers.

1036
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,786
Water, you have two firms that have more than $300,000

1037
00:58:06,786 --> 00:58:09,922
or gallons per day everybody else in this county businesses

1038
00:58:09,922 --> 00:58:13,792
needs 100,000 or less the proposal here is in the $100,000

1039
00:58:13,792 --> 00:58:14,342
range.

1040
00:58:14,342 --> 00:58:18,482
If water becomes an issue then want to state any other business

1041
00:58:18,482 --> 00:58:20,850
you can't come here because of water?

1042
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:22,875
There are alternatives to water including

1043
00:58:22,875 --> 00:58:24,418
glycol dielectric and others.

1044
00:58:24,418 --> 00:58:28,482
You can build a data center with alternatives to water.

1045
00:58:28,482 --> 00:58:29,722
Power.

1046
00:58:29,722 --> 00:58:32,866
Electric grid right now has to be improved.

1047
00:58:32,866 --> 00:58:35,272
Data centers are not electrical grids

1048
00:58:35,272 --> 00:58:37,610
are likely to rise to deal with that improvement.

1049
00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:41,462
You can also build a data center next to a substation that

1050
00:58:41,462 --> 00:58:44,760
require the data center to go and pay

1051
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,842
for true cost that does not pass the cost on to the consumers.

1052
00:58:47,842 --> 00:58:50,500
So that's an option to address that issue.

1053
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:51,962
Save the view.

1054
00:58:51,962 --> 00:58:54,399
Redbud used to be farms.

1055
00:58:54,399 --> 00:58:56,297
It is now houses.

1056
00:58:56,297 --> 00:58:58,659
Stephens City used to be houses.

1057
00:58:58,659 --> 00:59:00,970
Or used to be farms not houses.

1058
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:05,202
High road and Marble Road or apple orchards that are now

1059
00:59:05,202 --> 00:59:05,702
houses.

1060
00:59:05,702 --> 00:59:07,508
I don't remember a whole lot of people

1061
00:59:07,508 --> 00:59:10,922
saying save the view when those houses were being brought up.

1062
00:59:10,922 --> 00:59:12,682
Budget issues.

1063
00:59:12,682 --> 00:59:15,802
With the proposed data center a year ago

1064
00:59:15,802 --> 00:59:18,186
would raise about $50 million per year

1065
00:59:18,186 --> 00:59:21,338
over plenty of time frame for a simpler budget,

1066
00:59:21,338 --> 00:59:23,755
a similar data center in the northern part

1067
00:59:23,755 --> 00:59:25,422
of the county near substation would also

1068
00:59:25,422 --> 00:59:27,922
raise a similar amount so you're talking about $100 million.

1069
00:59:27,922 --> 00:59:30,911
Two years ago your residential bill state tax revenue

1070
00:59:30,911 --> 00:59:33,922
was about 89.6 this year it's a little bit more

1071
00:59:33,922 --> 00:59:35,362
than $90 million.

1072
00:59:35,362 --> 00:59:39,426
It's a way (Indistinct) address budget issues.

1073
00:59:39,426 --> 00:59:42,253
The county is expected to $250 million of new budget request

1074
00:59:42,253 --> 00:59:43,986
how do you pay for that?

1075
00:59:43,986 --> 00:59:47,600
In tax fees real estate increases that's a fair policy

1076
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,190
question that you want to consider.

1077
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:52,750
The land use for two data centers.

1078
00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:55,762
Would be less than one half of 1% if you had two square miles

1079
00:59:55,762 --> 01:00:01,300
that's county about 416mi² of land two data centers cost them

1080
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:02,777
less than one half of 1%.

1081
01:00:02,777 --> 01:00:04,402
There's also a national security issue.

1082
01:00:04,402 --> 01:00:06,368
Data centers are good for business

1083
01:00:06,368 --> 01:00:08,951
you see the comments that China would like to encourage people

1084
01:00:08,951 --> 01:00:10,594
not to have data centers.

1085
01:00:10,594 --> 01:00:14,900
So consider that in the options that you're dealing with.

1086
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:18,322
The board can go and profit solutions to issues everyone

1087
01:00:18,322 --> 01:00:20,295
here has raised including the noise issue.

1088
01:00:20,295 --> 01:00:22,417
And come to a conclusion that benefits

1089
01:00:22,417 --> 01:00:23,792
Frederick County with the revenue

1090
01:00:23,792 --> 01:00:26,215
and benefits the concerns of the people behind me.

1091
01:00:26,215 --> 01:00:30,604
I'd encourage you to allow data centers (Indistinct)

1092
01:00:30,604 --> 01:00:33,200
and then benefit everyone.

1093
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,200
Thank you.

1094
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:43,430
>> Peter Orlovsky -- followed by Elaine Goldfeder.

1095
01:00:49,342 --> 01:00:50,352
>> Folks.

1096
01:00:50,352 --> 01:00:50,857
Folks.

1097
01:00:50,857 --> 01:00:53,224
Everyone has a right to speak.

1098
01:00:53,224 --> 01:00:56,268
You may not agree with it, you may not like it,

1099
01:00:56,268 --> 01:00:58,233
but everybody has a right to speak.

1100
01:00:58,233 --> 01:01:00,674
So I said this earlier I'm going to say it again.

1101
01:01:00,674 --> 01:01:04,274
Show respect to the speakers please.

1102
01:01:05,420 --> 01:01:06,784
>> Hi thank you board.

1103
01:01:06,784 --> 01:01:10,798
My name is Pete Kukowski I reside in Battle Creek.

1104
01:01:10,798 --> 01:01:13,935
And today I'd like to speak about data centers.

1105
01:01:13,935 --> 01:01:17,535
Now 15 months ago or so, residents

1106
01:01:18,142 --> 01:01:22,220
in my neighborhood which is across from the McDonald

1107
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:25,746
farm or I received a postcard and our lives changed.

1108
01:01:25,746 --> 01:01:30,257
We are told that a hyper data center was being proposed right

1109
01:01:30,257 --> 01:01:31,815
across the street.

1110
01:01:31,815 --> 01:01:35,370
And going to the subsequent board meeting

1111
01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:38,458
we were told that we shouldn't use emotion, we should use data.

1112
01:01:38,458 --> 01:01:41,492
And as a person that's kind of a data geek,

1113
01:01:41,492 --> 01:01:45,668
I kind of dived into things like water and looking at power.

1114
01:01:45,668 --> 01:01:49,715
But as time evolved it became very clear that it isn't just

1115
01:01:49,715 --> 01:01:51,628
so much water and power.

1116
01:01:51,628 --> 01:01:55,235
It's the environmental condition, it's about community.

1117
01:01:55,235 --> 01:02:00,350
Our neighborhood has lost residents just because of,

1118
01:02:00,282 --> 01:02:02,402
they couldn't, didn't want to deal

1119
01:02:02,402 --> 01:02:05,722
with the stress of living across the potential of a data center.

1120
01:02:05,722 --> 01:02:07,882
And that's not right.

1121
01:02:07,882 --> 01:02:15,820
I mean there is so much that we were building in Frederick

1122
01:02:15,602 --> 01:02:17,200
County in terms of community.

1123
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,927
Our neighborhood was becoming a special neighborhood.

1124
01:02:19,927 --> 01:02:22,855
And with people leaving because they just

1125
01:02:22,855 --> 01:02:26,730
don't want to deal with that stress, that's not correct.

1126
01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:29,778
So we need the protection of that.

1127
01:02:29,778 --> 01:02:32,602
And when the board announced last month

1128
01:02:32,602 --> 01:02:35,722
or so that they were going to put this resolution in place,

1129
01:02:35,722 --> 01:02:37,930
everyone breathed a sigh of relief.

1130
01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:41,322
Said okay maybe we're not going to lose

1131
01:02:41,322 --> 01:02:45,472
our major investment because houses are our major investment.

1132
01:02:45,472 --> 01:02:47,668
Maybe our life isn't going to change.

1133
01:02:47,668 --> 01:02:51,506
But even as much as this month, we

1134
01:02:51,506 --> 01:02:55,706
have seen videos of county officials saying

1135
01:02:55,742 --> 01:03:01,156
that the McDonald farm is an ideal place for a data center

1136
01:03:01,156 --> 01:03:04,575
and it causes us to wonder, what is going on?

1137
01:03:04,575 --> 01:03:07,532
My request for this board is to come out

1138
01:03:07,532 --> 01:03:11,312
clearly and say what you mean in terms of data centers.

1139
01:03:11,312 --> 01:03:14,307
Are you going to ban them or are you going to,

1140
01:03:14,307 --> 01:03:17,610
or are you going to put in something that we're

1141
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:21,420
going to be living year and year and year

1142
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:24,634
afterwards until finally somebody puts one in

1143
01:03:24,634 --> 01:03:27,658
or everybody moves out because we can't

1144
01:03:27,658 --> 01:03:31,543
deal with the stress anymore can I we need to have this resolved.

1145
01:03:31,543 --> 01:03:34,116
The quality of life of everyone that's

1146
01:03:34,116 --> 01:03:36,572
living by a data center and everyone in the county

1147
01:03:36,572 --> 01:03:41,680
needs to be protected and appreciate that antifungal.

1148
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:42,442
Thank you.

1149
01:03:42,442 --> 01:03:47,242
Appreciate double appreciate that answer from this board?

1150
01:03:47,842 --> 01:03:49,842
Thank you.

1151
01:03:50,323 --> 01:03:52,323
>> Elaine Goldbetter.

1152
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:06,274
>> Good evening everyone my name is Alan Goldberg and I live

1153
01:04:06,274 --> 01:04:08,674
in Battle Creek district.

1154
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,602
I'm here to speak about the impact of the large data

1155
01:04:13,602 --> 01:04:15,202
centers in our community.

1156
01:04:15,202 --> 01:04:17,972
While they support modern technology

1157
01:04:17,972 --> 01:04:21,922
it also brings serious concerns including high electricity

1158
01:04:21,922 --> 01:04:26,242
use, that constrain our power grid and raise energy costs.

1159
01:04:26,242 --> 01:04:29,122
Many also use huge amounts of water especially concerning

1160
01:04:29,122 --> 01:04:33,322
during drought conditions permit (Indistinct) increased traffic

1161
01:04:34,147 --> 01:04:36,547
noise and air pollution.

1162
01:04:36,882 --> 01:04:38,508
Before approving more data centers

1163
01:04:38,508 --> 01:04:40,442
we must put our community first.

1164
01:04:40,442 --> 01:04:43,322
Strong limits on water and energy use.

1165
01:04:43,322 --> 01:04:47,415
Protections to prevent higher utility costs for residents.

1166
01:04:47,415 --> 01:04:50,530
Communities should also be responsible for any add ons

1167
01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:52,148
to roads infrastructure.

1168
01:04:52,148 --> 01:04:55,148
Technology is important but (Indistinct)

1169
01:04:56,533 --> 01:04:58,362
quality of life and health.

1170
01:04:58,362 --> 01:05:00,582
Therefore I urge the board to prohibit data centers

1171
01:05:00,582 --> 01:05:05,982
in Frederick County from only to approve (Indistinct) protect

1172
01:05:06,324 --> 01:05:09,402
our community today and in future generations.

1173
01:05:09,402 --> 01:05:12,842
>> Mr. Chairman that's the end of the list.

1174
01:05:12,842 --> 01:05:15,134
Chairman Jewell: Okay if there's anyone

1175
01:05:15,134 --> 01:05:17,592
that would like to come up and speak hang on just wait come

1176
01:05:17,592 --> 01:05:19,896
on if there's anyone that would like to come up and speak what I

1177
01:05:19,896 --> 01:05:22,380
would like for folks to do is to line come on first one

1178
01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:24,797
to come up to speak and the other ones line up by the poll

1179
01:05:24,797 --> 01:05:26,602
so that we can go through this.

1180
01:05:26,602 --> 01:05:28,922
Name magisterial district three minutes please.

1181
01:05:28,922 --> 01:05:30,820
Yes Ma'am.

1182
01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:32,820
Come on up.

1183
01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:44,564
>> My name is Penny Smith.

1184
01:05:44,564 --> 01:05:47,315
I'm from the Pekin district.

1185
01:05:47,315 --> 01:05:51,218
I had not planned to speak but sitting here a couple

1186
01:05:51,218 --> 01:05:52,494
things came to me.

1187
01:05:52,494 --> 01:05:57,200
So I don't have a lot of words.

1188
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:02,580
I have a couple statements and a couple questions.

1189
01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:06,258
I'm wondering what you gentlemen and said

1190
01:06:06,362 --> 01:06:09,482
respectfully come on gentlemen come on I'm

1191
01:06:09,482 --> 01:06:15,482
wondering what you plan to do about the brown water.

1192
01:06:15,722 --> 01:06:21,948
See we're not in five years ago or even three come on we're here

1193
01:06:21,948 --> 01:06:26,148
today , AOC the congresswoman went to Georgia

1194
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:31,232
and the community was very sick.

1195
01:06:31,232 --> 01:06:34,722
And she brought back two jugs of brown water

1196
01:06:34,722 --> 01:06:37,722
and she held them up.

1197
01:06:42,682 --> 01:06:45,682
I ache for those people.

1198
01:06:47,402 --> 01:06:54,200
Everyone in this room, two, we come with our own bias.

1199
01:06:55,705 --> 01:06:57,862
We come with our own background.

1200
01:06:57,862 --> 01:06:59,468
We come with our own perspective.

1201
01:06:59,468 --> 01:07:02,130
And there's nothing wrong with that.

1202
01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:07,620
I remember at work taking a class, recognize your biases.

1203
01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:09,202
You don't get rid of them you recognize them.

1204
01:07:09,202 --> 01:07:13,250
I see I've taken more time so let me move faster.

1205
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:20,842
What do you do with when I go to Loudoun County I can't breathe

1206
01:07:20,842 --> 01:07:22,853
and the sky is always gray?

1207
01:07:22,853 --> 01:07:27,653
What do we do about the Havana syndrome?

1208
01:07:29,938 --> 01:07:33,442
I brought that up to you before, I remember.

1209
01:07:33,442 --> 01:07:35,812
That was at Lake Frederick.

1210
01:07:35,812 --> 01:07:38,533
And we're hearing that more and more.

1211
01:07:38,533 --> 01:07:42,496
What do we do with the knowledge we have today that we

1212
01:07:42,496 --> 01:07:45,402
didn't have 3 or 4 years ago?

1213
01:07:45,402 --> 01:07:49,602
You can never say, after you vote,

1214
01:07:51,242 --> 01:07:54,410
that you didn't know because you do know.

1215
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:57,162
Whether it benefits you financially,

1216
01:07:57,162 --> 01:08:01,362
or professionally, you know what will happen.

1217
01:08:01,702 --> 01:08:05,620
You know how the community feels.

1218
01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:11,662
And I do respect your authority, your elected position that you

1219
01:08:11,842 --> 01:08:16,642
represent us, I cannot vote, that's your prerogative.

1220
01:08:17,202 --> 01:08:19,200
That's your privilege.

1221
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,812
So I bless you and maybe this is really really arrogant,

1222
01:08:23,812 --> 01:08:25,645
but okay we're worried about the drought

1223
01:08:25,645 --> 01:08:29,208
and now we've had all this rain, God said to me a month ago

1224
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:30,118
where are you?

1225
01:08:30,118 --> 01:08:32,372
Where are your prayers for rain?

1226
01:08:32,372 --> 01:08:35,482
And I've been asking him for an inch a week.

1227
01:08:35,482 --> 01:08:37,338
I pray over this community.

1228
01:08:37,338 --> 01:08:39,738
I pray over you.

1229
01:08:41,162 --> 01:08:43,162
>> Thank you Ma'am.

1230
01:08:44,755 --> 01:08:46,755
[Applause]

1231
01:08:49,149 --> 01:08:51,712
>> Good evening thank you for allowing me to speak my name is

1232
01:08:51,712 --> 01:08:54,418
Leslie Spencer Gainsboro and I'm having a resource meeting

1233
01:08:54,418 --> 01:08:58,870
to help fight Valley link north at Bowman Library on August 17th

1234
01:08:58,870 --> 01:09:01,487
in September 1st from 4 to 730.

1235
01:09:01,487 --> 01:09:04,248
And I have a bookmark on how to save farmlands

1236
01:09:04,248 --> 01:09:08,742
and you can ask me for it tonight and, by the way

1237
01:09:08,742 --> 01:09:10,892
all of you and all of you behind me.

1238
01:09:10,892 --> 01:09:13,398
Are doing one of the biggest actions

1239
01:09:13,398 --> 01:09:15,562
by being here tonight so thank you.

1240
01:09:15,562 --> 01:09:18,492
Then God bless you and God bless Frederick County.

1241
01:09:18,492 --> 01:09:21,836
I strongly support removing data centers as a use,

1242
01:09:21,836 --> 01:09:23,818
thank you so much for listening.

1243
01:09:23,818 --> 01:09:25,983
But I think that tonight also gives us

1244
01:09:25,983 --> 01:09:28,194
an opportunity to talk and define

1245
01:09:28,194 --> 01:09:29,752
about what we want instead.

1246
01:09:29,752 --> 01:09:31,992
Maybe as supervisor comments.

1247
01:09:31,992 --> 01:09:33,735
Our survey was remarkable.

1248
01:09:33,735 --> 01:09:37,192
Agriculture and agribusiness small and local businesses,

1249
01:09:37,192 --> 01:09:40,122
and tourism were overwhelmingly supported.

1250
01:09:40,122 --> 01:09:44,322
Data centers and technology infrastructure received as 4%.

1251
01:09:44,522 --> 01:09:47,122
Manufacturing logistics was also really low.

1252
01:09:47,122 --> 01:09:49,642
We do want economic development but maybe

1253
01:09:49,642 --> 01:09:52,812
it's way more sustainable and requires less water

1254
01:09:52,812 --> 01:09:54,962
and electricity than we think.

1255
01:09:54,962 --> 01:09:57,102
Maybe we don't need to expand this plaza

1256
01:09:57,102 --> 01:10:01,678
and the UTA maybe we can study Agritourism and a small business

1257
01:10:01,678 --> 01:10:05,762
economy as long as we studied and talked about data centers.

1258
01:10:05,762 --> 01:10:07,730
That could support us.

1259
01:10:07,730 --> 01:10:09,914
The small business and agritourism.

1260
01:10:09,914 --> 01:10:13,922
Maybe we have trade offs or we have to pay a few more cents.

1261
01:10:13,922 --> 01:10:15,682
On our taxes.

1262
01:10:15,682 --> 01:10:18,635
If we don't want more industrial and high energy use.

1263
01:10:18,635 --> 01:10:21,295
Let's offer our people a choice.

1264
01:10:21,295 --> 01:10:24,200
And I think that is why we need to look carefully

1265
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,202
at pillar for our targeted industry strategy.

1266
01:10:28,482 --> 01:10:30,450
Sorry.

1267
01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:31,712
Targeted industries are super important,

1268
01:10:31,712 --> 01:10:35,420
when a future project asks for zoning infrastructure or changes

1269
01:10:35,420 --> 01:10:37,628
to our development boundaries, we hear this,

1270
01:10:37,628 --> 01:10:40,208
this is an industry Frederick County said it wanted.

1271
01:10:40,208 --> 01:10:43,775
This is also set up what our Ada director does

1272
01:10:43,775 --> 01:10:46,612
and also how land is often unfortunately

1273
01:10:46,612 --> 01:10:48,527
land banked and assembled.

1274
01:10:48,527 --> 01:10:52,322
Sitting on parcels that could offer many more high wage

1275
01:10:52,322 --> 01:10:54,988
jobs other than a data center.

1276
01:10:54,988 --> 01:10:58,662
Will be our own words we have to be incredibly careful with them.

1277
01:10:58,662 --> 01:11:01,402
We need to make sure that every policy we

1278
01:11:01,402 --> 01:11:04,442
write points towards the future we actually want.

1279
01:11:04,442 --> 01:11:07,962
I understand he split off tourism from the Ada

1280
01:11:07,962 --> 01:11:10,634
but we need to add it into our targeted industry.

1281
01:11:10,634 --> 01:11:13,402
If we mean aerospace headquarters

1282
01:11:13,402 --> 01:11:15,364
healthcare research let's say that clearly.

1283
01:11:15,364 --> 01:11:19,671
Let's study what it would take to build the economy as citizens

1284
01:11:19,671 --> 01:11:22,122
described for us carefully as any other.

1285
01:11:22,122 --> 01:11:25,502
If there are trade offs, let's understand them honestly.

1286
01:11:25,502 --> 01:11:26,801
Thank you very much.

1287
01:11:26,801 --> 01:11:28,801
>> Thank you.

1288
01:11:30,582 --> 01:11:31,820
[Applause]

1289
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:35,597
>> Thank you Mr. Chairman members of the board supervisors

1290
01:11:35,597 --> 01:11:39,630
my name is Billy (Indistinct) it's about 8:00 right now

1291
01:11:39,630 --> 01:11:42,255
and my daughter's back home being put to bed and I'd rather

1292
01:11:42,255 --> 01:11:45,202
be there with her reading a book giving her a snack and helping

1293
01:11:45,202 --> 01:11:46,280
her go to bed.

1294
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,200
Why are we here again?

1295
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,582
Despite every meeting over 95% of people

1296
01:11:50,582 --> 01:11:54,202
speak in opposition to having data centers

1297
01:11:54,202 --> 01:11:57,330
really unrestricted data centers here in the county.

1298
01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:59,852
Because we don't know where you as a board stand.

1299
01:11:59,852 --> 01:12:01,522
We don't.

1300
01:12:01,522 --> 01:12:05,580
Supervisor Wells has come out with a strong statement.

1301
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:07,613
And former Supervisor Dunn has come out.

1302
01:12:07,613 --> 01:12:09,988
Most of the rest of you will not tell us where you stand.

1303
01:12:09,988 --> 01:12:11,215
Do you support them?

1304
01:12:11,215 --> 01:12:12,242
Do you oppose them?

1305
01:12:12,242 --> 01:12:14,940
Do you support them with certain conditions?

1306
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:18,402
We don't know and in that face come on this community

1307
01:12:18,402 --> 01:12:22,288
is frustrated, is overwhelmed, doesn't know what to think

1308
01:12:22,288 --> 01:12:24,680
and what you're going to do.

1309
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:25,635
And that's why every single time we

1310
01:12:25,635 --> 01:12:28,824
have to come out here and speak over and over and over.

1311
01:12:28,824 --> 01:12:32,277
So when you go to vote on this motion,

1312
01:12:32,277 --> 01:12:34,468
please tell us where you actually stand.

1313
01:12:34,468 --> 01:12:38,222
I mean I've seen some of y'all on Facebook mocking people who

1314
01:12:38,222 --> 01:12:39,230
oppose data centers.

1315
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:43,778
I've seen one of you has come up to me multiple times calling me

1316
01:12:43,778 --> 01:12:46,659
out for opposing data centers but didn't want to refuse

1317
01:12:46,659 --> 01:12:48,328
to meet with me afterwards.

1318
01:12:48,328 --> 01:12:51,962
But what we have not seen is clear statements from the board

1319
01:12:51,962 --> 01:12:53,131
members on where you stand.

1320
01:12:53,131 --> 01:12:54,506
Three of you are up for election,

1321
01:12:54,506 --> 01:12:56,995
this is a clear issue the community stands about.

1322
01:12:56,995 --> 01:12:59,458
We should have a policy paper from you all or paragraph

1323
01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:01,150
or some kind of position statement

1324
01:13:01,150 --> 01:13:04,226
on where do you stand if you're running for election this year?

1325
01:13:04,226 --> 01:13:05,646
On this issue?

1326
01:13:05,646 --> 01:13:08,150
It's probably the issue in the community

1327
01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:11,248
that at least turns out the most people on a regular basis.

1328
01:13:11,248 --> 01:13:12,733
So we should know where you stand.

1329
01:13:12,733 --> 01:13:16,172
So when you go to this vote on this issue,

1330
01:13:16,172 --> 01:13:17,922
please don't just vote it through silently

1331
01:13:17,922 --> 01:13:19,622
like I've seen numerous motions.

1332
01:13:19,622 --> 01:13:22,202
But take this as an opportunity to tell us where

1333
01:13:22,202 --> 01:13:23,738
do you stand on data centers?

1334
01:13:23,738 --> 01:13:27,194
Or still have two more proposals in the pipeline.

1335
01:13:27,194 --> 01:13:31,705
We want to actually after, I mean this discussion has

1336
01:13:31,705 --> 01:13:33,102
been going on since last April.

1337
01:13:33,102 --> 01:13:36,362
So we're pushing a year and a half now this discussion.

1338
01:13:36,362 --> 01:13:39,879
It's not too much to ask to know where each one of you

1339
01:13:39,879 --> 01:13:42,738
stands by this point in terms of what your framework, what

1340
01:13:42,738 --> 01:13:45,812
your parameter is, where you would address these issues.

1341
01:13:45,812 --> 01:13:47,162
Please tell us tonight.

1342
01:13:47,162 --> 01:13:49,162
Thank you.

1343
01:13:49,723 --> 01:13:51,723
[Applause]

1344
01:13:53,701 --> 01:13:56,180
>> Hello my name is Eliza Lathrop.

1345
01:13:56,180 --> 01:13:58,226
I reside in the Redbud District.

1346
01:13:58,226 --> 01:14:01,294
I moved here last year from Hagerstown Maryland

1347
01:14:01,294 --> 01:14:04,902
which has turned into an Amazon warehouse hellhole.

1348
01:14:04,902 --> 01:14:09,533
I moved here for nature, I moved here for a better job,

1349
01:14:09,533 --> 01:14:12,562
I moved here for better pay, and I wound up

1350
01:14:12,562 --> 01:14:13,850
into another hellhole.

1351
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:18,500
Data centers are a national security threat.

1352
01:14:18,142 --> 01:14:21,547
They are threats to water pollution, and drought,

1353
01:14:21,547 --> 01:14:25,122
they are problems to air pollution, noise pollution,

1354
01:14:25,122 --> 01:14:28,122
health impacts, environmental impacts, sinkholes,

1355
01:14:28,662 --> 01:14:32,262
impact on animals, insects, pollinators, things

1356
01:14:32,738 --> 01:14:34,200
that keep us alive.

1357
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:35,882
These are not made up issues.

1358
01:14:35,882 --> 01:14:38,762
These are some of the main impacts that are happening

1359
01:14:38,762 --> 01:14:40,682
across the United States.

1360
01:14:40,682 --> 01:14:43,970
And will indeed affect us if you allow data centers

1361
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:44,982
into this area.

1362
01:14:44,982 --> 01:14:48,410
There will be no city left to govern.

1363
01:14:48,410 --> 01:14:51,487
Data centers are routinely built in clusters,

1364
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:54,508
look at Loudoun County as all the people in this building

1365
01:14:54,508 --> 01:14:55,282
have said.

1366
01:14:55,282 --> 01:14:58,902
Loudoun County is the prime example where there is one,

1367
01:14:58,902 --> 01:14:59,839
there will be many.

1368
01:14:59,839 --> 01:15:02,234
And if we open the door to a single center,

1369
01:15:02,234 --> 01:15:06,422
we will be completely unable to stop them from making more.

1370
01:15:06,422 --> 01:15:10,826
Multiple sources state that 70% of the entire world

1371
01:15:10,826 --> 01:15:14,262
internet, not just the United States the entire world's

1372
01:15:14,262 --> 01:15:16,372
internet runs through Loudoun County.

1373
01:15:16,372 --> 01:15:18,694
Think about the impacts of that.

1374
01:15:18,694 --> 01:15:22,268
Think about the danger that poses to all of us living here

1375
01:15:22,268 --> 01:15:25,620
to banks, to hospitals, to residents,

1376
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:27,220
in the national security threat.

1377
01:15:27,220 --> 01:15:30,482
Think about if someone decided to attack Loudoun County.

1378
01:15:30,482 --> 01:15:32,882
What would that do to the entire world?

1379
01:15:32,882 --> 01:15:37,415
And that could be a Super Mac cities are giving --

1380
01:15:37,415 --> 01:15:39,552
and that could be us.

1381
01:15:39,552 --> 01:15:42,115
Cities are giving away billions of dollars of tax cuts

1382
01:15:42,115 --> 01:15:44,242
to these data centers and billionaire companies.

1383
01:15:44,242 --> 01:15:47,200
They are proposed profits, the proposed profits

1384
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,754
from these centers is not a solution to our problems.

1385
01:15:49,754 --> 01:15:54,270
They will do very little for us and what will there be left?

1386
01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:56,175
We are in a drought.

1387
01:15:56,175 --> 01:15:59,132
We are told to ration our water.

1388
01:15:59,132 --> 01:16:02,650
Climate change is already creating massive issues.

1389
01:16:02,650 --> 01:16:06,962
And I have been to most of the data centers in this area.

1390
01:16:06,962 --> 01:16:09,548
And I have not once heard a single mention

1391
01:16:09,548 --> 01:16:11,442
of who will be in these places.

1392
01:16:11,442 --> 01:16:13,322
Who will be in these centers.

1393
01:16:13,322 --> 01:16:14,522
Running them.

1394
01:16:14,522 --> 01:16:15,413
Will it be Amazon?

1395
01:16:15,413 --> 01:16:16,546
Will it be anything else?

1396
01:16:16,546 --> 01:16:17,682
We don't know.

1397
01:16:17,682 --> 01:16:20,820
And it could change.

1398
01:16:20,175 --> 01:16:23,322
You all as city Council members, are

1399
01:16:23,322 --> 01:16:26,402
required to reside in the area that you govern.

1400
01:16:26,402 --> 01:16:28,702
So let me ask you this.

1401
01:16:28,702 --> 01:16:31,610
Will you be required to stay here

1402
01:16:31,610 --> 01:16:33,630
when the water is yellow mud?

1403
01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:35,902
And you can't shower or bathe?

1404
01:16:35,902 --> 01:16:38,824
When the air is gray and smog?

1405
01:16:38,824 --> 01:16:41,358
When all the plants and pollinators are dead?

1406
01:16:41,358 --> 01:16:43,608
And you can't eat the food that we grow?

1407
01:16:43,608 --> 01:16:45,455
And we can't even grow food?

1408
01:16:45,455 --> 01:16:47,722
When the ground falls apart from sinkholes?

1409
01:16:47,722 --> 01:16:51,562
When you can't ever enjoy a peaceful sunrise or sunset

1410
01:16:51,562 --> 01:16:53,770
in the Shenandoah Valley.

1411
01:16:53,770 --> 01:16:56,170
Because you live here.

1412
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,202
[Timer chimes] You'll be held personally responsible.

1413
01:17:02,452 --> 01:17:04,452
[Applause]

1414
01:17:06,348 --> 01:17:06,977
>> Hello.

1415
01:17:06,977 --> 01:17:09,752
Hi I'm Sharon Plummer and Battle Creek district.

1416
01:17:09,752 --> 01:17:11,895
And just really quick.

1417
01:17:11,895 --> 01:17:14,170
I don't know if you guys ever saw

1418
01:17:14,170 --> 01:17:18,274
Erin Brockovich big movie about people fighting back

1419
01:17:18,274 --> 01:17:19,562
for the rights.

1420
01:17:19,562 --> 01:17:22,462
I have gone to several of these meetings as have my neighbors.

1421
01:17:22,462 --> 01:17:26,210
And I've been taking notes and documenting people's stories.

1422
01:17:26,210 --> 01:17:29,855
And I have started to documentary about this scenario.

1423
01:17:29,855 --> 01:17:33,802
And I do have friends in Hollywood and at Amazon.

1424
01:17:33,802 --> 01:17:35,996
And so I just want to let you guys

1425
01:17:35,996 --> 01:17:38,482
know that I am creating a film about this.

1426
01:17:38,482 --> 01:17:40,902
And if your kids and grandkids are going to watch it

1427
01:17:40,902 --> 01:17:42,735
you might want to think about whether you're

1428
01:17:42,735 --> 01:17:45,852
a villain or a good guy, are you going to save the day

1429
01:17:45,852 --> 01:17:47,420
or help the people?

1430
01:17:47,420 --> 01:17:50,842
[Laughter] So anyway I love seeing the due process and I

1431
01:17:50,842 --> 01:17:53,542
appreciate everybody listening to everybody's opinions.

1432
01:17:53,542 --> 01:17:55,500
Because this is America and we're

1433
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:56,508
allowed to have different opinions.

1434
01:17:56,508 --> 01:17:58,422
Even the guy who disagrees.

1435
01:17:58,422 --> 01:18:00,422
Everyone should be able to express their opinion

1436
01:18:00,422 --> 01:18:02,682
but I am documenting this my name is

1437
01:18:02,682 --> 01:18:04,375
Sharon Plummer so you'll see me around

1438
01:18:04,375 --> 01:18:06,308
with my camera and my video.

1439
01:18:06,308 --> 01:18:09,728
And I'll let you guys know how it goes.

1440
01:18:09,728 --> 01:18:11,728
Thanks.

1441
01:18:14,730 --> 01:18:16,730
[Applause]

1442
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:22,760
>> Hello Steve Caracciolo just confirmed on the line here that

1443
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:23,733
I'm in Battle Creek.

1444
01:18:23,733 --> 01:18:26,155
So I didn't plan to speak this evening I've only actually

1445
01:18:26,155 --> 01:18:28,780
been to one other meeting this was only brought to my attention

1446
01:18:28,780 --> 01:18:31,306
earlier this year that data centers were even on the agenda.

1447
01:18:31,306 --> 01:18:34,162
Or possibility to be built in Frederick County.

1448
01:18:34,162 --> 01:18:37,594
There's a lot of data supporting why

1449
01:18:37,594 --> 01:18:39,931
I think these are a bad idea people have spoken about it

1450
01:18:39,931 --> 01:18:41,306
people are probably more informed

1451
01:18:41,306 --> 01:18:42,922
than I am so I don't necessarily need

1452
01:18:42,922 --> 01:18:44,692
to opine on that any further.

1453
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:46,525
I figured I would just kind of tell you guys

1454
01:18:46,525 --> 01:18:48,817
a little bit about me and I feel like I speak on behalf

1455
01:18:48,817 --> 01:18:49,962
of a lot of the folks here.

1456
01:18:49,962 --> 01:18:52,820
I don't know nothing about any of y'all.

1457
01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:54,742
But the only other time I was in this building

1458
01:18:54,742 --> 01:18:57,732
was when I got my marriage certificate with my wife.

1459
01:18:57,732 --> 01:18:59,122
She's from here.

1460
01:18:59,122 --> 01:19:00,607
She grew up here.

1461
01:19:00,607 --> 01:19:02,852
I fell in love with her, I moved out

1462
01:19:02,852 --> 01:19:04,935
here I fell in love with the city and this county.

1463
01:19:04,935 --> 01:19:06,282
It's a beautiful place.

1464
01:19:06,282 --> 01:19:07,330
With beautiful people.

1465
01:19:07,330 --> 01:19:10,618
And I don't want to see that ruined and changed frankly.

1466
01:19:10,618 --> 01:19:13,302
I think that these data centers are more than buildings,

1467
01:19:13,302 --> 01:19:15,859
I think they bring about a lot of change that

1468
01:19:15,859 --> 01:19:17,442
changes people and their personalities

1469
01:19:17,442 --> 01:19:19,598
and their outlook on life.

1470
01:19:19,598 --> 01:19:21,728
We started this meeting this evening with a prayer

1471
01:19:21,728 --> 01:19:23,302
and I think that's very important.

1472
01:19:23,302 --> 01:19:26,354
I've seen God work in and through people including myself.

1473
01:19:26,354 --> 01:19:29,500
I hope that he does the same with all of you.

1474
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:31,442
And you do the right thing.

1475
01:19:31,442 --> 01:19:32,962
The responsible thing.

1476
01:19:32,962 --> 01:19:35,171
I don't feel I need to remind you

1477
01:19:35,171 --> 01:19:37,184
but maybe I do that you all work for us.

1478
01:19:37,184 --> 01:19:39,900
And I think one of the gentlemen who

1479
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:42,125
spoke tonight said that if we find out

1480
01:19:42,125 --> 01:19:44,102
people are not working for us we will

1481
01:19:44,102 --> 01:19:45,495
take efforts to change that.

1482
01:19:45,495 --> 01:19:48,258
I don't vote but I will on this topic I'm ten toes down on this

1483
01:19:48,258 --> 01:19:50,258
and I think most of the people in this room are.

1484
01:19:50,258 --> 01:19:52,258
So thank you.

1485
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:57,550
[Applause]

1486
01:19:59,990 --> 01:20:02,762
>> My name is John Boyles and I have no idea what district

1487
01:20:02,762 --> 01:20:03,362
I'm in.

1488
01:20:03,362 --> 01:20:05,336
I work on Minecraft Road.

1489
01:20:05,336 --> 01:20:07,336
Warm Springs Road.

1490
01:20:07,658 --> 01:20:11,810
Sorry I used to live on (Indistinct).

1491
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:13,868
I'm an electrical engineer.

1492
01:20:13,868 --> 01:20:16,522
Okay that's what I've done my life.

1493
01:20:16,522 --> 01:20:19,282
And I just want to make a few comments,

1494
01:20:19,282 --> 01:20:23,622
first of all data centers are very inefficient things.

1495
01:20:23,622 --> 01:20:29,555
And so they're technology is going to be obsolete really

1496
01:20:29,555 --> 01:20:30,710
soon.

1497
01:20:30,710 --> 01:20:31,540
Think about it.

1498
01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:33,493
How many of you have a ten year old laptop?

1499
01:20:33,493 --> 01:20:35,635
Or a ten year old cell phone?

1500
01:20:35,635 --> 01:20:39,762
So the kind of technologies that are used in these data centers

1501
01:20:39,762 --> 01:20:44,562
are just churning up electricity and generating heat

1502
01:20:44,825 --> 01:20:47,512
and what are we getting from these things?

1503
01:20:47,512 --> 01:20:53,802
Well it's a big one in Houston that does Bitcoin mining.

1504
01:20:53,802 --> 01:20:58,602
There is no implicit intrinsic value in Bitcoin.

1505
01:20:59,922 --> 01:21:02,742
Online storage of stuff, Microsoft

1506
01:21:02,742 --> 01:21:05,122
we all know has gone to the cloud and everyone's

1507
01:21:05,122 --> 01:21:07,982
gone onto the cloud and the Internet of things.

1508
01:21:07,982 --> 01:21:13,132
But we used to put our files on an external hard drive.

1509
01:21:13,132 --> 01:21:15,520
Still could do that.

1510
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,162
Artificial intelligence to replace

1511
01:21:17,162 --> 01:21:21,382
artists that write music, to replace movie makers,

1512
01:21:21,382 --> 01:21:26,162
to replace actors, to replace marketing jobs, advertising,

1513
01:21:26,162 --> 01:21:29,162
professionals, lots of other jobs.

1514
01:21:30,482 --> 01:21:33,622
Why are we doing this as a nation?

1515
01:21:33,622 --> 01:21:34,242
Really?

1516
01:21:34,242 --> 01:21:38,906
We do have a world wide web but we don't have a worldwide power

1517
01:21:38,906 --> 01:21:42,442
grid and so the problem is, if you

1518
01:21:42,442 --> 01:21:48,882
have a big sucking sound of power somewhere let's say Aspen.

1519
01:21:48,882 --> 01:21:51,882
Then it produces a scarcity.

1520
01:21:52,162 --> 01:21:57,139
And so what you have to do is get a far away power plant

1521
01:21:57,139 --> 01:22:01,339
in West Virginia, 260 miles of transmission line

1522
01:22:01,462 --> 01:22:03,646
to an intersection hub up in Maryland

1523
01:22:03,646 --> 01:22:06,452
so that energy that's being sucked out

1524
01:22:06,452 --> 01:22:11,978
by this data centers in Ashburn doesn't cause everyone's prices

1525
01:22:11,978 --> 01:22:13,720
to go up.

1526
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,272
Along the power grid.

1527
01:22:15,272 --> 01:22:21,272
And that is exactly what it seems to be happening.

1528
01:22:21,433 --> 01:22:24,642
And so the problem is we can't just get rid of data

1529
01:22:24,642 --> 01:22:28,502
centers here, and I applaud the efforts to do that.

1530
01:22:28,502 --> 01:22:30,266
We have a statewide problem.

1531
01:22:30,266 --> 01:22:33,746
We have really an east Coast problem.

1532
01:22:33,746 --> 01:22:37,346
Now solving it, could start here.

1533
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:40,842
You folks are in politics, you are

1534
01:22:40,842 --> 01:22:44,298
part of the political system, and it

1535
01:22:44,298 --> 01:22:48,498
takes leadership and a stand to say

1536
01:22:48,962 --> 01:22:55,562
we're going to start providing an example of others to follow.

1537
01:22:56,855 --> 01:22:58,855
Thank you.

1538
01:23:00,317 --> 01:23:02,317
[Applause]

1539
01:23:03,524 --> 01:23:04,190
>> Okay.

1540
01:23:04,190 --> 01:23:07,942
We've got no lines down so I'm going to close these citizens

1541
01:23:07,942 --> 01:23:08,612
comments.

1542
01:23:08,612 --> 01:23:12,601
Board of Supervisors Next things up is consent agenda.

1543
01:23:12,601 --> 01:23:16,362
How would you like to handle this?

1544
01:23:16,362 --> 01:23:20,362
>> (Indistinct) accept the consent agenda as approved.

1545
01:23:20,362 --> 01:23:23,402
Chairman Jewell: All right we have a motion and a second

1546
01:23:23,402 --> 01:23:25,420
that's required for roll call.

1547
01:23:25,420 --> 01:23:27,420
Supervisor Rhodes.

1548
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,920
>> Aye.

1549
01:23:31,169 --> 01:23:33,169
[Members voting aye]

1550
01:23:35,402 --> 01:23:40,426
and the chair votes I. All right good on the consent agenda.

1551
01:23:40,426 --> 01:23:41,994
Thank you.

1552
01:23:41,994 --> 01:23:46,666
Next item up is Board of Supervisors comments.

1553
01:23:46,666 --> 01:23:48,242
Do we have any?

1554
01:23:48,242 --> 01:23:51,242
Looking both ways supervisor Evans.

1555
01:23:52,402 --> 01:23:56,183
>> I've got three and I'll do my best to keep it brief.

1556
01:23:56,183 --> 01:24:01,583
One is to the program the subcommittee meet. (Indistinct)

1557
01:24:02,127 --> 01:24:06,802
do what came out of that committee to go over to the DRC

1558
01:24:06,802 --> 01:24:09,802
and get things rolling (Indistinct)

1559
01:24:10,282 --> 01:24:13,882
so if anyone would like to.

1560
01:24:14,375 --> 01:24:15,607
I don't know.

1561
01:24:15,607 --> 01:24:18,982
Should I do a vote or just consensus?

1562
01:24:18,982 --> 01:24:21,922
Is everybody on board with that?

1563
01:24:21,922 --> 01:24:23,442
DRC and get moving?

1564
01:24:23,442 --> 01:24:26,950
Chairman Jewell: We got a motion we got a second everybody agree

1565
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:28,882
all those in favor say aye.

1566
01:24:28,882 --> 01:24:29,952
Anybody opposed?

1567
01:24:29,952 --> 01:24:31,212
Moving forward.

1568
01:24:31,212 --> 01:24:32,642
Thank you.

1569
01:24:32,642 --> 01:24:36,282
>> Second thing is about six months ago we talked about

1570
01:24:36,282 --> 01:24:38,628
battery storage by the substations.

1571
01:24:38,628 --> 01:24:41,628
The protections against brownouts blackouts.

1572
01:24:43,842 --> 01:24:47,360
Water this year for the first time this year.

1573
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,982
We've been asked to occasions about the power company

1574
01:24:49,982 --> 01:24:54,538
to disconnect our water plants and sewer plants from the grid.

1575
01:24:54,538 --> 01:24:56,482
Because system was overloaded.

1576
01:24:56,482 --> 01:25:00,300
The first time was a winner ended up not occurring

1577
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:04,420
but then several weeks ago the summer we had those hot days.

1578
01:25:04,420 --> 01:25:07,698
We actually shut off the grid and fired up our generators

1579
01:25:07,698 --> 01:25:09,682
around those plants over the weekend.

1580
01:25:09,682 --> 01:25:13,162
So I think it's important we get this battery storage going

1581
01:25:13,162 --> 01:25:15,812
people going to start seeing brownouts and blackouts.

1582
01:25:15,812 --> 01:25:18,562
And if it's something where people don't want battery

1583
01:25:18,562 --> 01:25:20,154
storage come on that's fine.

1584
01:25:20,154 --> 01:25:23,341
Just don't call me when (Indistinct)

1585
01:25:23,341 --> 01:25:27,180
blackouts because I'm trying to figure out a way to stop it.

1586
01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:31,935
Last thing, the gentleman brought up the electrical order

1587
01:25:31,935 --> 01:25:36,410
story and Comp plan, I don't know if there's time to do that.

1588
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:37,624
I guess towards the end of the meeting

1589
01:25:37,624 --> 01:25:39,762
if we could bring Mr. Bishop up.

1590
01:25:39,762 --> 01:25:40,562
Explore that.

1591
01:25:40,562 --> 01:25:42,810
I would be interested in that.

1592
01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:45,122
That's all I have.

1593
01:25:45,122 --> 01:25:47,522
Chairman Jewell: Thanks. (Indistinct)

1594
01:25:49,762 --> 01:25:52,348
>> I usually wait till the end to do this but I've got

1595
01:25:52,348 --> 01:25:53,802
the audience here.

1596
01:25:53,802 --> 01:25:56,742
So I'm gonna read this to you.

1597
01:25:56,742 --> 01:25:59,266
I've gotten a lot of emails as you can well imagine.

1598
01:25:59,266 --> 01:26:01,922
I have not answered all of those emails,

1599
01:26:01,922 --> 01:26:04,181
I don't have enough time in the day

1600
01:26:04,181 --> 01:26:07,482
to do that, I have a business and I run it myself.

1601
01:26:07,482 --> 01:26:11,950
I just want you to know I have gotten them

1602
01:26:11,950 --> 01:26:14,914
I have read most of them are boilerplate emails.

1603
01:26:14,914 --> 01:26:17,466
But there are some genuine emails

1604
01:26:17,466 --> 01:26:19,985
that folks have taken the time to write.

1605
01:26:19,985 --> 01:26:24,420
Much appreciated about data centers traffic congestion

1606
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:26,620
so forth and so on.

1607
01:26:26,620 --> 01:26:29,402
I've also gotten some really interesting emails

1608
01:26:29,402 --> 01:26:33,602
from folks that just questioned my integrity.

1609
01:26:33,822 --> 01:26:37,892
And question things that I don't understand

1610
01:26:37,892 --> 01:26:38,975
where they're coming from.

1611
01:26:38,975 --> 01:26:41,180
So I'm going to read you something.

1612
01:26:41,180 --> 01:26:46,820
If someone tells you that turtle one won the race with a rabbit

1613
01:26:46,820 --> 01:26:51,760
you might want to slow down and not take it at face value

1614
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,760
and do some more investigation.

1615
01:26:54,642 --> 01:26:58,122
If someone tells you that your neighbor who's a minister

1616
01:26:58,122 --> 01:27:01,514
is cooking Meth and selling it at the church,

1617
01:27:01,514 --> 01:27:04,348
maybe you should slow down.

1618
01:27:04,348 --> 01:27:08,242
And take a little time and investigate more in.

1619
01:27:08,242 --> 01:27:11,330
Not just take the word of that person.

1620
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:14,962
If someone tells you that you have

1621
01:27:14,962 --> 01:27:19,620
a very reliable inside source that's telling you

1622
01:27:19,620 --> 01:27:22,232
that your sibling is a Communist,

1623
01:27:22,232 --> 01:27:27,320
maybe I'll slow down and figure it out.

1624
01:27:27,203 --> 01:27:30,803
And do a bit more study.

1625
01:27:31,202 --> 01:27:35,122
Maybe if someone tells you if v Dot's going

1626
01:27:35,122 --> 01:27:38,339
to pave your gravel road that hasn't been paved in six years

1627
01:27:38,339 --> 01:27:40,440
and they're going to do it next week,

1628
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:42,420
you might want to question that.

1629
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:43,802
And do a little bit more study.

1630
01:27:43,802 --> 01:27:46,687
And I could go on.

1631
01:27:46,687 --> 01:27:48,482
And that's what's happening.

1632
01:27:48,482 --> 01:27:50,642
There's a lot of things out there on Facebook,

1633
01:27:50,642 --> 01:27:53,698
there's a lot of things on the internet,

1634
01:27:53,698 --> 01:27:57,360
I think the best way to do that if you have a question

1635
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,348
is to ask the person themselves and let them answer that for you

1636
01:28:00,348 --> 01:28:03,642
and I'm more than happy to do that.

1637
01:28:03,642 --> 01:28:06,702
So if someone other than Supervisor Wells

1638
01:28:06,702 --> 01:28:11,362
tells you that Supervisor Wells has changed a vote on any topic

1639
01:28:11,362 --> 01:28:14,910
from a yes to a no or from a no to a yes,

1640
01:28:14,910 --> 01:28:18,954
then you should probably again, take time and speak

1641
01:28:18,954 --> 01:28:20,954
with Supervisor Wells.

1642
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:24,482
I never have and never will accept money or any other form

1643
01:28:24,482 --> 01:28:28,722
of material value to win the support for any project that

1644
01:28:28,722 --> 01:28:31,122
comes before this board.

1645
01:28:31,722 --> 01:28:34,709
I have and never --

1646
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:38,748
I have not and never will ask my fellow board members

1647
01:28:38,748 --> 01:28:42,190
to cut deals or try to sway a vote.

1648
01:28:42,190 --> 01:28:46,435
I don't ask them, I don't go to them and ask for them support.

1649
01:28:46,435 --> 01:28:48,550
I don't go to them and try to sway their vote.

1650
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:51,550
One way or the other.

1651
01:28:53,642 --> 01:28:57,492
I've never and will never tell anyone

1652
01:28:57,492 --> 01:28:59,459
how I'm going to vote on any issue

1653
01:28:59,459 --> 01:29:03,394
until I cast my vote at a public board meeting.

1654
01:29:03,394 --> 01:29:07,107
I have an opinion, I'll be happy to share it with you,

1655
01:29:07,107 --> 01:29:09,873
but if you ask me are you going to vote no, I'm

1656
01:29:09,873 --> 01:29:12,242
going to tell you you have to come to the meeting

1657
01:29:12,242 --> 01:29:18,242
and watch me vote no or watch me vote yes.

1658
01:29:20,282 --> 01:29:24,260
I have and I will continue to share my personal opinions

1659
01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:26,898
on any topics that anyone's interested in doing

1660
01:29:26,898 --> 01:29:29,450
so if you'd like to discuss any of those,

1661
01:29:29,450 --> 01:29:33,668
do it by telephone call, I have a home phone that you can call.

1662
01:29:33,668 --> 01:29:37,820
If I don't answer leave me a message and I'll call you back.

1663
01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:39,882
I really don't do well with emails.

1664
01:29:39,882 --> 01:29:41,442
Because it takes a lot of time.

1665
01:29:41,442 --> 01:29:43,732
And I find out that speaking to people

1666
01:29:43,732 --> 01:29:47,190
personally is a lot better than writing back and forth.

1667
01:29:47,190 --> 01:29:52,562
So I have put out proposition -- position statement

1668
01:29:52,562 --> 01:29:57,562
on, I've given out to several people on the internet

1669
01:29:57,562 --> 01:29:59,462
everything else.

1670
01:29:59,462 --> 01:30:00,412
Anyway.

1671
01:30:00,412 --> 01:30:04,742
I just want everyone to know that we work really hard

1672
01:30:04,742 --> 01:30:11,942
to service the people and when you stand up there and say ,

1673
01:30:12,459 --> 01:30:13,930
it hurts.

1674
01:30:13,930 --> 01:30:15,982
It hurts to hear you say that you don't think

1675
01:30:15,982 --> 01:30:17,442
that we're doing anything.

1676
01:30:17,442 --> 01:30:21,282
This group works really really hard, I've been here a long time

1677
01:30:21,282 --> 01:30:23,162
and I can tell you they work really hard.

1678
01:30:23,162 --> 01:30:25,482
It's not our full time job.

1679
01:30:25,482 --> 01:30:27,912
It's not our full time job.

1680
01:30:27,912 --> 01:30:29,927
But we wouldn't be here if we didn't

1681
01:30:29,927 --> 01:30:31,672
want to help Frederick County.

1682
01:30:31,672 --> 01:30:32,922
Thank you sir.

1683
01:30:32,922 --> 01:30:35,922
Chairman Jewell: Thank you sir.

1684
01:30:37,128 --> 01:30:37,628
[Applause]

1685
01:30:37,628 --> 01:30:42,322
>> Mr. Chairman -- during the Comprehensive plan breakout

1686
01:30:42,322 --> 01:30:48,122
sessions all our subcommittee learned of a solar panel fund

1687
01:30:48,122 --> 01:30:51,822
of some sort and I would like for the administration to kind

1688
01:30:51,822 --> 01:30:55,242
of educate the board on those funds and how those funds could

1689
01:30:55,242 --> 01:30:56,855
be used in the future?

1690
01:30:56,855 --> 01:30:58,855
So if we can plan for that in the future meeting

1691
01:30:58,855 --> 01:31:00,855
I'd appreciate it.

1692
01:31:01,482 --> 01:31:03,498
>> (Indistinct) put it on your list.

1693
01:31:03,498 --> 01:31:05,106
Thank you sir.

1694
01:31:05,106 --> 01:31:07,242
Anybody else want to talk to?

1695
01:31:07,242 --> 01:31:11,436
>> One thing I'm gonna say is I I said it earlier actually I

1696
01:31:11,436 --> 01:31:13,728
said it a couple times pretty much everyone has a right

1697
01:31:13,728 --> 01:31:16,702
to speak and everyone has a right to their opinion.

1698
01:31:16,702 --> 01:31:19,922
And all I ask is please show respect.

1699
01:31:19,922 --> 01:31:23,482
Please show respect every time we talk to a constituent,

1700
01:31:23,482 --> 01:31:26,744
whether we reply to an email, what have you.

1701
01:31:26,744 --> 01:31:29,710
We are not all going to agree.

1702
01:31:29,710 --> 01:31:33,636
But all I ask for is to give respect to.

1703
01:31:33,636 --> 01:31:37,927
And if you're out on the social media, show respect.

1704
01:31:37,927 --> 01:31:41,527
Everyone up here loves this county

1705
01:31:41,658 --> 01:31:46,458
and we're working very hard for this county.

1706
01:31:46,482 --> 01:31:49,592
We know we hear it a lot from you folks,

1707
01:31:49,592 --> 01:31:52,722
the statement tonight about if you don't like it

1708
01:31:52,722 --> 01:31:53,722
we'll replace you.

1709
01:31:53,722 --> 01:31:55,802
Well we're trying to do everything we can.

1710
01:31:55,802 --> 01:32:00,476
And there's certain rules, things we have to abide by.

1711
01:32:00,476 --> 01:32:01,539
So please.

1712
01:32:01,539 --> 01:32:04,282
All I ask for is respect.

1713
01:32:04,282 --> 01:32:06,282
Thank you.

1714
01:32:10,582 --> 01:32:11,820
[Applause]

1715
01:32:11,820 --> 01:32:13,346
Chairman Jewell: County officials next up update

1716
01:32:13,346 --> 01:32:15,442
the Regional broadband project.

1717
01:32:15,442 --> 01:32:17,442
Mr. Bo offer.

1718
01:32:21,167 --> 01:32:23,834
>> Good evening board members I would like to bring up Wendy May

1719
01:32:23,834 --> 01:32:27,144
she is our new communications director and part of this was

1720
01:32:27,144 --> 01:32:29,817
to give you an update on broadband but it's also to let

1721
01:32:29,817 --> 01:32:31,984
you know Wendy and our communications department has

1722
01:32:31,984 --> 01:32:35,432
set up a hub on the, on our webpage and I thought it'd be

1723
01:32:35,432 --> 01:32:37,682
good to show the board where this is and the residents

1724
01:32:37,682 --> 01:32:41,472
so they can see this information and information on broadband

1725
01:32:41,472 --> 01:32:43,520
would be there and.

1726
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,154
It's not where you're looking is it?

1727
01:32:47,154 --> 01:32:49,154
>> (Indistinct)

1728
01:32:53,365 --> 01:32:55,762
>> And if you want to give a brief description.

1729
01:32:55,762 --> 01:32:59,815
>> Chairman Joel members of the board, thank you.

1730
01:32:59,815 --> 01:33:02,834
As Mr. Bolhofner alluded we have recently launched an information

1731
01:33:02,834 --> 01:33:05,722
hub on the main county website with the purpose

1732
01:33:05,722 --> 01:33:10,297
of providing a single place for clear verified county

1733
01:33:10,297 --> 01:33:10,852
information.

1734
01:33:10,852 --> 01:33:14,154
And easy access to project updates,

1735
01:33:14,154 --> 01:33:17,150
and key initiatives on the community

1736
01:33:17,150 --> 01:33:21,108
currently important topics include the comprehensive plan

1737
01:33:21,108 --> 01:33:24,950
update process data centers transmission lines,

1738
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:27,447
I-81 improvements, that will affect us for some time.

1739
01:33:27,447 --> 01:33:28,322
All points broadband.

1740
01:33:28,322 --> 01:33:32,220
And soon will have information about the up to 1%

1741
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:35,914
sales tax referendum that will be contemplated later this fall.

1742
01:33:35,914 --> 01:33:39,520
This is an interim solution while we work to stand up

1743
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,770
the communications department.

1744
01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,735
There will be a full review of county communications coming

1745
01:33:44,735 --> 01:33:47,452
forward including the website from a more

1746
01:33:47,452 --> 01:33:48,912
holistic perspective.

1747
01:33:48,912 --> 01:33:52,482
You can access the information hub from the main county website

1748
01:33:52,482 --> 01:33:55,108
at the top bar, the top navigation that

1749
01:33:55,108 --> 01:33:56,842
says Information Hub which you can

1750
01:33:56,842 --> 01:33:58,562
see referenced by the red box.

1751
01:33:58,562 --> 01:34:01,242
And you can also use a direct URL ncbi.us

1752
01:34:01,242 --> 01:34:03,642
or slash information hub.

1753
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,200
Sure thank you.

1754
01:34:07,922 --> 01:34:09,722
Chairman Jewell: Thank you.

1755
01:34:09,722 --> 01:34:11,970
For those folks that are here watching,

1756
01:34:11,970 --> 01:34:16,770
this was a critical thing for this board.

1757
01:34:17,986 --> 01:34:21,740
Everyone agreed one of the issues we had with the county

1758
01:34:21,740 --> 01:34:22,567
was how do you get information out?

1759
01:34:22,567 --> 01:34:25,482
How do you get, how do the constituents know where

1760
01:34:25,482 --> 01:34:29,615
to go to keep up on especially the major projects

1761
01:34:29,615 --> 01:34:33,352
and we are very appreciative of all the work you're doing,

1762
01:34:33,352 --> 01:34:36,370
we're very appreciative of all the staffs put together.

1763
01:34:36,370 --> 01:34:39,842
It's been, and it's moving very fast so thank you for that.

1764
01:34:39,842 --> 01:34:42,242
>> Thank for the opportunity.

1765
01:34:43,162 --> 01:34:46,546
>> And I want to thank Wendy because Wendy's not only doing

1766
01:34:46,546 --> 01:34:48,546
the communications department she's also serving

1767
01:34:48,546 --> 01:34:52,112
as our interim director for the EDA and she's been wearing two

1768
01:34:52,112 --> 01:34:53,836
hats and has done an amazing job in.

1769
01:34:53,836 --> 01:34:55,942
And she made my night tonight because I

1770
01:34:55,942 --> 01:34:58,875
was able to help her with a computer for the first time.

1771
01:34:58,875 --> 01:35:01,522
And I will remind her of that frequently.

1772
01:35:01,522 --> 01:35:04,182
Give you an update on the broadband.

1773
01:35:04,182 --> 01:35:07,420
I've been having conversations with all points

1774
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:11,442
and also with Brandon who's with the regional commission

1775
01:35:11,442 --> 01:35:13,442
about Broad Point.

1776
01:35:13,762 --> 01:35:15,822
Approximately five years ago the board

1777
01:35:15,822 --> 01:35:18,622
approved moving forward hiring all points to installation

1778
01:35:18,622 --> 01:35:21,150
of broadband for several jurisdictions

1779
01:35:21,150 --> 01:35:23,877
within the Shenandoah Valley and they're doing this

1780
01:35:23,877 --> 01:35:24,942
throughout the state.

1781
01:35:24,942 --> 01:35:27,159
That was five years ago.

1782
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:30,197
Their intention was, when we gave a presentation

1783
01:35:30,197 --> 01:35:32,470
I'm not sure a year ago or so.

1784
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:34,346
The intent was to have this project completed

1785
01:35:34,346 --> 01:35:38,584
in the fall of 26 was the date and I will tell you,

1786
01:35:38,584 --> 01:35:41,596
they're not going to make the fall of 26.

1787
01:35:41,596 --> 01:35:44,253
They're shifting their schedule trying to complete this

1788
01:35:44,253 --> 01:35:50,853
by the end of 26, by December 31st of 2026 and they've taken

1789
01:35:51,201 --> 01:35:53,202
some steps to try to accomplish that.

1790
01:35:53,202 --> 01:35:55,522
Once they have reached an agreement with Vdot

1791
01:35:55,522 --> 01:35:58,578
so now they can do aerial permitting which should speed up

1792
01:35:58,578 --> 01:36:00,702
the process with Vdot to get those done

1793
01:36:00,702 --> 01:36:02,642
and they've got a good relationship with them.

1794
01:36:02,642 --> 01:36:05,610
They've also changed their focus instead

1795
01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:08,620
of doing just single areas and single drops

1796
01:36:08,620 --> 01:36:11,950
to try and get the big main areas first and come

1797
01:36:11,950 --> 01:36:13,690
back and get the local drops.

1798
01:36:13,690 --> 01:36:15,562
The reason they went with the first route

1799
01:36:15,562 --> 01:36:18,142
because their contract initially was based on the fact

1800
01:36:18,142 --> 01:36:21,282
that they were paid once they had the actual houses connected

1801
01:36:21,282 --> 01:36:25,108
up, sometimes by doing that it slows down the whole process so

1802
01:36:25,108 --> 01:36:29,900
by taking a larger view and doing the larger areas first it

1803
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:30,745
should aid them to help them speed up.

1804
01:36:30,745 --> 01:36:33,542
And the one real issue they're running

1805
01:36:33,542 --> 01:36:35,288
into now, which is slowing them down

1806
01:36:35,288 --> 01:36:37,806
is getting the permits from the Shenandoah Valley Co-op

1807
01:36:37,806 --> 01:36:39,514
and that's where they're having problems,

1808
01:36:39,514 --> 01:36:42,895
they really need I think about 200 permits a week

1809
01:36:42,895 --> 01:36:46,202
to get this done and that's not happening at that speed.

1810
01:36:46,202 --> 01:36:49,451
They have offered the Shenandoah Valley Co-op

1811
01:36:49,451 --> 01:36:51,392
that they will actually pay for third party

1812
01:36:51,392 --> 01:36:53,508
to come in and assist them with this

1813
01:36:53,508 --> 01:36:55,612
and they're waiting to see if Shenandoah Valley is

1814
01:36:55,612 --> 01:36:58,340
willing to do that, but that'll be imperative

1815
01:36:58,340 --> 01:37:01,842
if they are to complete this project on time.

1816
01:37:01,842 --> 01:37:05,127
I will tell you the one weak spot and I know all of you

1817
01:37:05,127 --> 01:37:07,438
up here or not all but at least most of you

1818
01:37:07,438 --> 01:37:08,855
up here have had issues with this,

1819
01:37:08,855 --> 01:37:11,605
is when we tell our residents if you want to find out when you're

1820
01:37:11,605 --> 01:37:14,105
going to get connected up if you're going to be connected up

1821
01:37:14,105 --> 01:37:19,396
you go to these websites, and when you go there you find out

1822
01:37:19,396 --> 01:37:20,957
they don't work well if at all.

1823
01:37:20,957 --> 01:37:22,415
I've helped people out I've learned

1824
01:37:22,415 --> 01:37:25,402
to find out ways to get it but it's not very user friendly.

1825
01:37:25,402 --> 01:37:29,182
And generally it doesn't have any, the information you need.

1826
01:37:29,182 --> 01:37:31,299
They've told me they're now working on a plan

1827
01:37:31,299 --> 01:37:34,184
to have up and running within 30 to 60 days

1828
01:37:34,184 --> 01:37:37,175
some new maps that will show where the work has been done

1829
01:37:37,175 --> 01:37:39,162
and the work is going to be done.

1830
01:37:39,162 --> 01:37:41,356
That is within 30 to 60 days.

1831
01:37:41,356 --> 01:37:44,362
You can go to our hub, you can look at our connections

1832
01:37:44,362 --> 01:37:46,362
to their sites, but at this point

1833
01:37:46,362 --> 01:37:48,950
they really don't do you a lot of good

1834
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:50,602
and they're working to correct that.

1835
01:37:50,602 --> 01:37:54,895
And they have come up I've told them and they've agreed to come

1836
01:37:54,895 --> 01:37:58,413
back to this board at the September 9th if they can make

1837
01:37:58,413 --> 01:38:02,562
that schedule, for September 30th 23rd and make a full

1838
01:38:02,562 --> 01:38:06,102
presentation to this board and what we'd like to hear is

1839
01:38:06,102 --> 01:38:09,110
what's been done and when is everything else going to be done

1840
01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:10,802
and get a better idea of the scheduling?

1841
01:38:10,802 --> 01:38:15,442
And that's the update I have tonight and try to answer any

1842
01:38:15,442 --> 01:38:17,442
questions or --

1843
01:38:20,154 --> 01:38:21,362
Chairman Jewell: (Indistinct)

1844
01:38:21,362 --> 01:38:26,122
>> I'm a little disappointed that they're not here tonight.

1845
01:38:26,122 --> 01:38:29,122
But putting that aside, fundamentals.

1846
01:38:29,722 --> 01:38:33,322
What particular in Bat Creek which

1847
01:38:34,773 --> 01:38:38,352
is a large area underserved, people

1848
01:38:38,352 --> 01:38:46,752
want to know when you fill in on the website and not there yet.

1849
01:38:49,150 --> 01:38:50,345
It's not sufficient.

1850
01:38:50,345 --> 01:38:53,304
So they definitely need to be here.

1851
01:38:53,304 --> 01:38:56,474
And they also need to know that the other fundamentals,

1852
01:38:56,474 --> 01:39:00,508
is it going to actually be hooked up to my house?

1853
01:39:00,508 --> 01:39:02,202
Who's going to do that?

1854
01:39:02,202 --> 01:39:04,237
What's the internet service are they providing

1855
01:39:04,237 --> 01:39:06,130
the internet service as well?

1856
01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:09,542
And I also want to know what's it's going to cost.

1857
01:39:09,542 --> 01:39:14,500
So those are key things that I'm hearing.

1858
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:17,500
And we just need information.

1859
01:39:17,662 --> 01:39:23,724
And it just hasn't been, and I wasn't here for the front end

1860
01:39:23,724 --> 01:39:26,282
of this, I wasn't here five years ago,

1861
01:39:26,282 --> 01:39:28,424
lived here all my life.

1862
01:39:28,424 --> 01:39:31,506
So I'm not intimately familiar with what

1863
01:39:31,506 --> 01:39:33,906
happened five years ago.

1864
01:39:34,465 --> 01:39:36,900
But we really need the information now.

1865
01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:37,802
To get it out.

1866
01:39:37,802 --> 01:39:44,234
And I do appreciate getting it up on the Infohub and the steps

1867
01:39:44,234 --> 01:39:47,607
forward there, but they need to be here

1868
01:39:47,607 --> 01:39:51,962
and we just need to know where we're at and when's the end?

1869
01:39:51,962 --> 01:39:54,602
And what's it going to be?

1870
01:39:54,602 --> 01:39:56,122
What's the details?

1871
01:39:56,122 --> 01:40:01,960
>> Might want to address we do have meetings that they're going

1872
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,320
to show up to.

1873
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,632
Giving me a date that --

1874
01:40:09,769 --> 01:40:12,769
>> September 9th or September 23rd.

1875
01:40:13,252 --> 01:40:16,810
I'm pushing very hard for that one

1876
01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:19,367
the date they had a commitment that night but it might

1877
01:40:19,367 --> 01:40:20,867
be earlier so hopefully the next day

1878
01:40:20,867 --> 01:40:23,775
or two he's going to be, let me know I will call him

1879
01:40:23,775 --> 01:40:25,702
and say our board really like to be

1880
01:40:25,702 --> 01:40:27,282
here sooner rather than later.

1881
01:40:27,282 --> 01:40:30,882
>> We want him here September 9th.

1882
01:40:32,442 --> 01:40:35,362
>> And I'm sure there's not just one person with their company.

1883
01:40:35,362 --> 01:40:37,962
Vice Chair Wells: Working on getting them here

1884
01:40:37,962 --> 01:40:39,962
to stand up and tell us what's going on.

1885
01:40:39,962 --> 01:40:41,962
>> Absolutely.

1886
01:40:42,362 --> 01:40:46,162
Vice Chair Wells: Appreciate your hard work on that too.

1887
01:40:46,162 --> 01:40:50,802
>> Any questions you have for them or from your constituents

1888
01:40:50,802 --> 01:40:55,457
can let them know they're expected to answer I can't say

1889
01:40:55,457 --> 01:40:58,820
that they would be prepared but I can gladly forward that along

1890
01:40:58,820 --> 01:40:58,922
to them.

1891
01:40:58,922 --> 01:41:04,322
>> I'll just say I'm glad I got Starlink in 2021.

1892
01:41:05,939 --> 01:41:06,439
[Laughter]

1893
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,678
>> Thank you for that update sir.

1894
01:41:08,678 --> 01:41:11,522
All right the next one.

1895
01:41:11,522 --> 01:41:13,200
Eight B.

1896
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,202
>> Yes board directed us to move forward on the opposing

1897
01:41:17,202 --> 01:41:20,164
the Valley North electrical transmission line and just

1898
01:41:20,164 --> 01:41:22,459
to make sure I get this correct I'm just going to read.

1899
01:41:22,459 --> 01:41:25,420
We have a resolution tonight to take some steps moving forward

1900
01:41:25,420 --> 01:41:26,938
to do that I'll just read you some key lines

1901
01:41:26,938 --> 01:41:28,720
from the resolution.

1902
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,962
So board is resolved that the county administrator

1903
01:41:30,962 --> 01:41:33,682
and the County Attorney are hereby authorized

1904
01:41:33,682 --> 01:41:37,594
to retain the services of Whiteford Taylor and Preston LLP

1905
01:41:37,594 --> 01:41:41,610
to provide outside legal counsel and opposing the Valley North

1906
01:41:41,610 --> 01:41:42,110
Project.

1907
01:41:42,110 --> 01:41:45,720
And the county administrators hereby authorized and directed

1908
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,580
to identify and set aside funds for said representation

1909
01:41:48,580 --> 01:41:52,665
in the amount not to exceed $250,000 to move forward with

1910
01:41:52,665 --> 01:41:53,165
this.

1911
01:41:53,165 --> 01:41:59,688
We have the money and the Board of Supervisors contingency fund,

1912
01:41:59,688 --> 01:42:04,340
we would just set aside the $250,000 in an account for this

1913
01:42:04,340 --> 01:42:07,268
and keep a separate tracking for this board also

1914
01:42:07,268 --> 01:42:09,546
in the resolution it states that the county attorney

1915
01:42:09,546 --> 01:42:13,738
and or myself will make regular --

1916
01:42:13,738 --> 01:42:16,238
will be meeting with the board regularly to keep you updated

1917
01:42:16,238 --> 01:42:17,238
on the progress of this.

1918
01:42:17,238 --> 01:42:19,500
I will tell you our first thing we really

1919
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:20,758
didn't want to do anything moving forward

1920
01:42:20,758 --> 01:42:23,522
or any strategy until we had the attorney on board.

1921
01:42:23,522 --> 01:42:24,984
If the board agrees to this tonight

1922
01:42:24,984 --> 01:42:26,442
we'll immediately call the attorney

1923
01:42:26,442 --> 01:42:28,162
we had one long conversation with him

1924
01:42:28,162 --> 01:42:30,242
and had a pretty good meeting if the board agrees

1925
01:42:30,242 --> 01:42:32,108
to do this we'll set up a meeting

1926
01:42:32,108 --> 01:42:33,962
and start moving forward the strategy

1927
01:42:33,962 --> 01:42:37,322
and obviously include the board and how we're going to do that.

1928
01:42:37,322 --> 01:42:39,722
>> Good is that at?

1929
01:42:39,893 --> 01:42:44,202
All right I'll entertain a motion on this one.

1930
01:42:44,202 --> 01:42:47,282
Got a motion got a second.

1931
01:42:47,282 --> 01:42:49,539
This requires a roll call vote.

1932
01:42:49,539 --> 01:42:51,539
Supervisor (Indistinct)

1933
01:42:53,217 --> 01:42:55,217
[Members voting aye]

1934
01:42:58,243 --> 01:43:00,342
>> Chair votes I there you go Mr..

1935
01:43:00,342 --> 01:43:02,742
You're good to go.

1936
01:43:03,462 --> 01:43:05,462
Okay next up.

1937
01:43:05,922 --> 01:43:09,500
Appointments to boards committees and commissions.

1938
01:43:09,500 --> 01:43:12,650
900 we've got the conservation easement authority,

1939
01:43:13,192 --> 01:43:16,192
we've got three willing members.

1940
01:43:17,620 --> 01:43:19,372
Entertain a motion for reappointment

1941
01:43:19,372 --> 01:43:24,772
of Philippines, Diane Kearns, and our own supervisor Al

1942
01:43:25,962 --> 01:43:26,775
Orndorff.

1943
01:43:26,775 --> 01:43:28,402
All right.

1944
01:43:28,402 --> 01:43:33,165
I can do this with a voice vote all those in favor?

1945
01:43:33,165 --> 01:43:33,914
Anybody opposed?

1946
01:43:33,914 --> 01:43:35,575
We're good to go.

1947
01:43:35,575 --> 01:43:36,750
Okay.

1948
01:43:36,750 --> 01:43:38,948
Next one up is for economic development

1949
01:43:38,948 --> 01:43:45,210
it's a four year term for Doug Rinker which expires nine 1026.

1950
01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:50,820
He was recently reappointed to fill an unexpired term.

1951
01:43:50,820 --> 01:43:51,842
I'll entertain a motion.

1952
01:43:51,842 --> 01:43:56,382
>> I'll entertain a motion to approve as presented but Doug is

1953
01:43:56,382 --> 01:43:58,882
a breath of fresh air and I'm glad to have him on the board.

1954
01:43:58,882 --> 01:44:02,196
Chairman Jewell: All right we got a motion and a second.

1955
01:44:02,196 --> 01:44:03,150
All those in favor.

1956
01:44:03,150 --> 01:44:04,250
Any absolutely right.

1957
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:08,820
We are very lucky to have him back.

1958
01:44:08,820 --> 01:44:09,912
Committee business non.

1959
01:44:09,912 --> 01:44:11,668
Public hearings non.

1960
01:44:11,668 --> 01:44:13,188
Planning commissions, none.

1961
01:44:13,188 --> 01:44:16,535
All right now we're back up to planning commission business.

1962
01:44:16,535 --> 01:44:18,550
So where's my friend.

1963
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:19,500
Okay.

1964
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:21,282
Hello there sir how are you today?

1965
01:44:21,282 --> 01:44:25,522
>> Just give me one second Mr. Chairman to get the --

1966
01:44:25,522 --> 01:44:30,922
Chairman Jewell: Take your time, we're good we're good.

1967
01:44:31,842 --> 01:44:34,643
>> Good evening Mr. Chairman members of the board this is

1968
01:44:34,643 --> 01:44:36,268
the first of three ordinance amendments

1969
01:44:36,268 --> 01:44:39,562
for your consideration is given for information discussion

1970
01:44:39,562 --> 01:44:42,282
for each of the amendments we'll be seeking your authorization

1971
01:44:42,282 --> 01:44:46,500
to move these items forward to the committee structure and then

1972
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:48,879
also to advertise for public hearings when appropriate.

1973
01:44:48,879 --> 01:44:52,840
The first for your consideration this evening

1974
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:54,361
is what we call in our phase one comment companion

1975
01:44:54,361 --> 01:44:55,778
amendments and these are proposals

1976
01:44:55,778 --> 01:44:58,592
to amend chapter 144 the Subdivision Ordinance

1977
01:44:58,592 --> 01:45:01,592
and chapter 165, the Zoning Ordinance

1978
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,175
to incorporate phase one Ordinance update recommendations

1979
01:45:04,175 --> 01:45:05,842
from the Berkeley Group.

1980
01:45:05,842 --> 01:45:09,252
You all will recall when you adopted your phase one updates

1981
01:45:09,252 --> 01:45:12,115
in May of this year, that there were a number of kind

1982
01:45:12,115 --> 01:45:14,448
of clean up items that the Berkeley group had identified

1983
01:45:14,448 --> 01:45:16,778
that fell outside of the bounds of that project

1984
01:45:16,778 --> 01:45:20,342
and were kind of classified as a policy type item.

1985
01:45:20,342 --> 01:45:23,896
And that they would be handled kind of immediately following

1986
01:45:23,896 --> 01:45:25,146
the adoption of the ordinance.

1987
01:45:25,146 --> 01:45:27,392
And that is the series of amendments

1988
01:45:27,392 --> 01:45:30,215
before you this evening is for, as far

1989
01:45:30,215 --> 01:45:31,655
as this phase one update goes.

1990
01:45:31,655 --> 01:45:34,420
These proposed amendments seek to improve

1991
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:36,855
efficiency, consistency across the ordinance,

1992
01:45:36,855 --> 01:45:39,412
incorporate best practices or those recommended

1993
01:45:39,412 --> 01:45:41,580
by the Berkeley group, and of course

1994
01:45:41,580 --> 01:45:43,354
to maintain the user friendly nature of our ordinance

1995
01:45:43,354 --> 01:45:47,200
which we strove to do when we did that phase one update.

1996
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:51,202
So first we'll tackle the chapter 144 subdivision

1997
01:45:53,522 --> 01:45:54,455
ordinance changes.

1998
01:45:54,455 --> 01:45:57,420
The majority of these changes tackle

1999
01:45:57,420 --> 01:46:01,242
the processing of waivers, subdivision design planning

2000
01:46:02,370 --> 01:46:05,402
and that process is administrative process handled

2001
01:46:05,402 --> 01:46:07,102
by staff and the zoning administrator.

2002
01:46:07,102 --> 01:46:09,316
And we wanted to make this waivers

2003
01:46:09,316 --> 01:46:10,962
a part of that administrative process

2004
01:46:10,962 --> 01:46:13,962
because they're otherwise administrative action.

2005
01:46:14,420 --> 01:46:15,976
The first pertains to general access

2006
01:46:15,976 --> 01:46:18,180
which would change the Board of supervisor waiver

2007
01:46:18,180 --> 01:46:20,666
to subdivision administrative waiver to allow

2008
01:46:20,666 --> 01:46:24,522
for private streets and offer age restricted communities.

2009
01:46:24,522 --> 01:46:27,200
We would also make a similar change

2010
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,588
to our streets and sidewalks.

2011
01:46:28,588 --> 01:46:31,242
Regarding the waiver of interpersonal connectors

2012
01:46:31,242 --> 01:46:33,402
intersections and cul de sacs that

2013
01:46:33,402 --> 01:46:35,402
would give the subdivision administrator

2014
01:46:35,402 --> 01:46:38,386
authority to review one waivers to those required

2015
01:46:38,386 --> 01:46:41,882
to be necessary we would remove the Board of Supervisors

2016
01:46:41,882 --> 01:46:43,842
waiver for street lights and we would

2017
01:46:43,842 --> 01:46:45,615
remove a subdivision administrator waiver

2018
01:46:45,615 --> 01:46:48,615
for sidewalks on public streets.

2019
01:46:49,682 --> 01:46:53,935
In regard to chapter 144, we would also address easements

2020
01:46:53,935 --> 01:46:56,628
and we would remove a Board of Supervisors waivers

2021
01:46:56,628 --> 01:46:58,752
for underground utilities otherwise

2022
01:46:58,752 --> 01:47:02,428
we normally require that utilities be placed underground

2023
01:47:02,428 --> 01:47:03,572
throughout the county.

2024
01:47:03,572 --> 01:47:06,506
And then under environmental features and protections we

2025
01:47:06,506 --> 01:47:09,298
would remove a waiver for a stormwater management plan

2026
01:47:09,298 --> 01:47:11,818
for lots of less than 15,000ft².

2027
01:47:11,818 --> 01:47:13,912
That was an outdated requirement,

2028
01:47:13,912 --> 01:47:15,517
we spoke with the Public works staff

2029
01:47:15,517 --> 01:47:18,820
to understand the Virginia storm regulation

2030
01:47:18,820 --> 01:47:21,624
and they asked that we remove that item as it was no longer

2031
01:47:21,624 --> 01:47:23,624
an appropriate allowance.

2032
01:47:24,588 --> 01:47:29,569
In regard to chapter 165 the zoning ordinance again clean up

2033
01:47:29,569 --> 01:47:31,152
items for administrative requirements,

2034
01:47:31,152 --> 01:47:33,462
we would propose removing the requirement

2035
01:47:33,462 --> 01:47:36,762
that the County Administrator sign final master development

2036
01:47:36,762 --> 01:47:37,268
plans.

2037
01:47:37,268 --> 01:47:39,890
Master development plans used to require presentations

2038
01:47:39,890 --> 01:47:42,182
to the Planning Commission and the Board of Supervisors

2039
01:47:42,182 --> 01:47:44,418
and they required the Planning Director and county

2040
01:47:44,418 --> 01:47:45,948
administrators to sign off on them.

2041
01:47:45,948 --> 01:47:48,620
That has become a largely administrative function.

2042
01:47:48,620 --> 01:47:51,882
And that is the last vestige of that previous process,

2043
01:47:51,882 --> 01:47:54,779
would be the county administrator's approval

2044
01:47:54,779 --> 01:47:56,914
and I'm sure Mr. Hofer would appreciate not having

2045
01:47:56,914 --> 01:47:59,914
to sign those plans anymore.

2046
01:48:00,122 --> 01:48:03,392
We would address industrial design standards

2047
01:48:03,392 --> 01:48:06,228
there's currently a waiver for the screening of machinery

2048
01:48:06,228 --> 01:48:10,428
and mechanical equipment for the extracted manufacturing

2049
01:48:10,802 --> 01:48:11,362
district.

2050
01:48:11,362 --> 01:48:14,442
We feel like we can accomplish that waiver

2051
01:48:14,442 --> 01:48:16,322
through the alternative standard that

2052
01:48:16,322 --> 01:48:18,740
was included with the packet.

2053
01:48:18,740 --> 01:48:21,132
For the residential Recreational Communities District standards,

2054
01:48:21,132 --> 01:48:23,620
we're going to change the planning director

2055
01:48:23,620 --> 01:48:24,687
waiver to a zoning administrator waiver

2056
01:48:24,687 --> 01:48:27,982
for street trees substitutions again that's a best practice,

2057
01:48:27,982 --> 01:48:29,878
the zoning administrator is the final signal

2058
01:48:29,878 --> 01:48:32,746
to where we're on site plans and other design plans and not

2059
01:48:32,746 --> 01:48:34,308
the planning director.

2060
01:48:34,308 --> 01:48:36,515
Although the planning director can

2061
01:48:36,515 --> 01:48:38,432
sign in the absence of his own administrative.

2062
01:48:38,432 --> 01:48:41,548
In regard to the Frederick County Sanitation,

2063
01:48:41,548 --> 01:48:44,766
Sanitary landfill we would remove a board of Supervisors

2064
01:48:44,766 --> 01:48:48,832
waiver or turn to a standard that just incorporates and adds

2065
01:48:48,832 --> 01:48:51,302
an assurance to someone doing work at the landfill

2066
01:48:51,302 --> 01:48:54,438
that they would need a waiver to come out for a screening

2067
01:48:54,438 --> 01:48:55,820
element.

2068
01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:57,812
In regards to the use of welding repair we'd remove a waiver

2069
01:48:57,812 --> 01:48:59,822
requirement for a screen welding repairs

2070
01:48:59,822 --> 01:49:02,490
a conditional use in your rural area zoning district

2071
01:49:02,490 --> 01:49:04,282
so screening requirements typically handled

2072
01:49:04,282 --> 01:49:07,550
through the conditions, doesn't require your action as a board

2073
01:49:07,550 --> 01:49:09,258
waiver if you approve the conditional use

2074
01:49:09,258 --> 01:49:11,122
permit you would otherwise be including those screening

2075
01:49:11,122 --> 01:49:11,622
elements.

2076
01:49:11,622 --> 01:49:13,442
Most likely as a condition.

2077
01:49:13,442 --> 01:49:16,865
And then for tractor truck and tractor trailer truck parking,

2078
01:49:16,865 --> 01:49:18,532
we would change the Board of Supervisors

2079
01:49:18,532 --> 01:49:20,122
waiver to zoning administrator waiver

2080
01:49:20,122 --> 01:49:22,586
for alternative landscaping based on topography

2081
01:49:22,586 --> 01:49:24,962
and or adjacent land uses, that's

2082
01:49:24,962 --> 01:49:28,408
a common waiver that the zoning administrator has on other uses.

2083
01:49:28,408 --> 01:49:32,370
So we wanted to bring that use in line with current practice.

2084
01:49:32,370 --> 01:49:34,370
For other uses.

2085
01:49:34,554 --> 01:49:37,522
So this item is presented to you all for information discussion

2086
01:49:37,522 --> 01:49:38,312
this evening.

2087
01:49:38,312 --> 01:49:41,116
We're seeking your authorization to proceed with the ordinance

2088
01:49:41,116 --> 01:49:41,866
amendment process.

2089
01:49:41,866 --> 01:49:44,218
For those who are unfamiliar with that,

2090
01:49:44,218 --> 01:49:46,135
it includes a review by our development review

2091
01:49:46,135 --> 01:49:47,642
and Regulations Committee that is

2092
01:49:47,642 --> 01:49:50,312
a subcommittee of the Planning Commission, made up

2093
01:49:50,312 --> 01:49:52,748
of planning commissioners and citizen representatives

2094
01:49:52,748 --> 01:49:55,670
and then we would subsequently advertise for public hearings.

2095
01:49:55,670 --> 01:49:57,670
Those dates would be determined after the review

2096
01:49:57,670 --> 01:49:58,513
by the committee.

2097
01:49:58,513 --> 01:50:00,612
And I'm happy to answer any questions you have

2098
01:50:00,612 --> 01:50:02,322
on these companion amendments.

2099
01:50:02,322 --> 01:50:05,602
Chairman Jewell: Any questions for Mr. Clive?

2100
01:50:05,602 --> 01:50:09,242
>> We talked about the Berkeley group I'm not sure that some

2101
01:50:09,242 --> 01:50:11,446
of the members of the board were here.

2102
01:50:11,446 --> 01:50:12,959
When we did that.

2103
01:50:12,959 --> 01:50:16,402
Could you just kind of reference the Berkeley group?

2104
01:50:16,402 --> 01:50:20,461
They did intensive study on -- if you could just give a little

2105
01:50:20,461 --> 01:50:21,253
background on that.

2106
01:50:21,253 --> 01:50:24,442
As to how we got to these --

2107
01:50:24,442 --> 01:50:28,378
>> Good clarification prior to issuing the ordinance amendment

2108
01:50:28,378 --> 01:50:30,770
phase update we did a zoning diagnostic and a number

2109
01:50:30,770 --> 01:50:33,546
of our waiver processes were deemed not to be best practices.

2110
01:50:33,546 --> 01:50:37,175
It creates a kind of legislative burden for you

2111
01:50:37,175 --> 01:50:41,620
all to handle these relatively minute waiver requests

2112
01:50:41,620 --> 01:50:43,902
that otherwise the zoning administrator handles and most

2113
01:50:43,902 --> 01:50:44,712
other cases.

2114
01:50:44,712 --> 01:50:47,474
So there recommendation early on in that process

2115
01:50:47,474 --> 01:50:49,570
was to transition that again, we felt

2116
01:50:49,570 --> 01:50:51,695
like that was outside of the scope of the phase one

2117
01:50:51,695 --> 01:50:52,528
rewrite that we did.

2118
01:50:52,528 --> 01:50:55,200
But we wanted to bring these back to you all immediately

2119
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,740
following that adoption so that you all could provide guidance

2120
01:50:57,740 --> 01:51:00,797
on if you'd like to move forward with those best practice

2121
01:51:00,797 --> 01:51:03,200
cleanups that were recommended and again, intent

2122
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:07,894
with these changes is to maintain kind of the user

2123
01:51:07,894 --> 01:51:10,602
friendly nature of the ordinance and put administrative functions

2124
01:51:10,602 --> 01:51:12,730
back into the administrative realm of the zoning

2125
01:51:12,730 --> 01:51:14,282
and subdivision administrator.

2126
01:51:14,282 --> 01:51:16,792
Chairman Jewell: Any other questions?

2127
01:51:16,792 --> 01:51:17,732
All right.

2128
01:51:17,732 --> 01:51:20,132
I'll entertain a motion.

2129
01:51:21,162 --> 01:51:23,162
>> Moving forward.

2130
01:51:24,402 --> 01:51:26,880
Chairman Jewell: All right we got a motion.

2131
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:31,563
I need to do a roll call vote on this.

2132
01:51:31,563 --> 01:51:33,563
[Members voting aye]

2133
01:51:38,521 --> 01:51:41,690
>> And the chair votes I. Thank you Mr. Klein.

2134
01:51:41,690 --> 01:51:46,200
I appreciate all the work you put into that one.

2135
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:50,465
>> Absolutely this is your second ordinance amendment this

2136
01:51:50,465 --> 01:51:52,653
also falls on the heels of your phase one update

2137
01:51:52,653 --> 01:51:55,375
and we're calling this your 2026 update.

2138
01:51:55,375 --> 01:51:58,660
This is a proposal to amend the zoning ordinance

2139
01:51:58,660 --> 01:52:01,915
to incorporate applicable changes to the Code of Virginia

2140
01:52:01,915 --> 01:52:03,748
that were done through the General Assembly.

2141
01:52:03,748 --> 01:52:07,742
As you all are well aware, each year the General Assembly

2142
01:52:07,742 --> 01:52:10,809
can considers a amendments to the Code of Virginia

2143
01:52:10,809 --> 01:52:12,642
and ultimately if they're successful they're

2144
01:52:12,642 --> 01:52:14,767
signed into law by the governor of the Commonwealth

2145
01:52:14,767 --> 01:52:17,330
and we should annually review them and where applicable

2146
01:52:17,330 --> 01:52:20,982
and incorporate them into the new audiences one of the areas

2147
01:52:20,982 --> 01:52:22,482
that we fell short in our diagnostic

2148
01:52:22,482 --> 01:52:24,800
was our state code compliance.

2149
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,382
That's a product of the age of our ordinance

2150
01:52:26,382 --> 01:52:29,882
but also just not keeping up with a regular kind of update

2151
01:52:29,882 --> 01:52:34,642
of all of the state code changes that occur each general assembly

2152
01:52:34,642 --> 01:52:35,382
cycle.

2153
01:52:35,382 --> 01:52:38,462
We made changes throughout the years kind of hot topics

2154
01:52:38,462 --> 01:52:41,520
came up and required kind of immediate attention

2155
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,850
and we were incorporating a lot of the state code.

2156
01:52:43,850 --> 01:52:45,853
Elements in practice they just weren't codified.

2157
01:52:45,853 --> 01:52:48,575
This is an effort to keep our coordinates fresh

2158
01:52:48,575 --> 01:52:52,186
up to date and compliant with the code of Virginia.

2159
01:52:52,186 --> 01:52:54,442
That helps the board and the county

2160
01:52:54,442 --> 01:52:57,474
prevent legal challenges and any things like that.

2161
01:52:57,474 --> 01:53:00,602
We reviewed all of the bills that were applicable to Planning

2162
01:53:00,602 --> 01:53:03,962
and zoning, we're fortunate that our American Planning

2163
01:53:03,962 --> 01:53:05,415
Association Virginia Chapter does

2164
01:53:05,415 --> 01:53:07,962
a very good job of keeping planners informed

2165
01:53:07,962 --> 01:53:11,142
on all of the kind of changes.

2166
01:53:11,142 --> 01:53:12,762
Then we met with the county attorney

2167
01:53:12,762 --> 01:53:15,178
a number of times through the General Assembly cycle

2168
01:53:15,178 --> 01:53:17,900
and then after the coaching were made

2169
01:53:17,900 --> 01:53:21,282
to review the applicable bills to determine what bills needed

2170
01:53:21,282 --> 01:53:23,330
attention by the board.

2171
01:53:23,330 --> 01:53:25,962
There were far more bills that apply

2172
01:53:25,962 --> 01:53:29,985
that were adopted as far as land use and planning that

2173
01:53:29,985 --> 01:53:31,277
are covered here this evening.

2174
01:53:31,277 --> 01:53:33,152
Not all of them apply to us because we're not

2175
01:53:33,152 --> 01:53:36,540
in Incorporated City or we don't meet a population threshold

2176
01:53:36,540 --> 01:53:38,693
so some of those bills get weeded out just by the nature

2177
01:53:38,693 --> 01:53:41,281
of our status as a county under 100,000 people but there are

2178
01:53:41,281 --> 01:53:42,906
other bills that require our attention.

2179
01:53:42,906 --> 01:53:45,522
So the first one for your consideration this evening is

2180
01:53:45,522 --> 01:53:49,618
House Bill 1212 that states any locality with a population

2181
01:53:49,618 --> 01:53:53,272
of 20,000 persons or more shall adopt and maintain a zoning

2182
01:53:53,272 --> 01:53:56,100
district classification that permits one family and two

2183
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:59,362
family dwellings and townhomes as a by right use on lots with

2184
01:53:59,362 --> 01:54:01,975
a minimum lot area not exceeding 3000ft².

2185
01:54:01,975 --> 01:54:05,895
Our recommended action is to proceed with an ordinance

2186
01:54:05,895 --> 01:54:07,622
amendment to incorporate the standard.

2187
01:54:07,622 --> 01:54:10,820
That would involve changes to the dimensional requirements

2188
01:54:10,820 --> 01:54:13,122
contained in the RP residential Performance District.

2189
01:54:13,122 --> 01:54:17,680
We do have what we call a single family small lot housing type

2190
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:21,368
and it requires a minimum lot area of 3750ft² so we're just

2191
01:54:21,368 --> 01:54:22,618
slightly above that threshold.

2192
01:54:22,618 --> 01:54:25,708
We do clear that threshold with our townhome lot sizes,

2193
01:54:25,708 --> 01:54:28,222
we allow them as small as 1800ft².

2194
01:54:28,222 --> 01:54:31,200
But this is, this would require an effort

2195
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:32,490
to reduce that minimum lot size we

2196
01:54:32,490 --> 01:54:35,782
feel like that is the quickest kind of solution to address

2197
01:54:35,782 --> 01:54:37,698
this state code change.

2198
01:54:37,698 --> 01:54:42,714
Our next series of bills that a companion bills House Bill

2199
01:54:42,714 --> 01:54:46,322
2079 and Senate Bill 288 this is known as the Faith and Housing

2200
01:54:46,322 --> 01:54:48,492
Act it's received quite a bit of fanfare.

2201
01:54:48,492 --> 01:54:50,492
And public attention.

2202
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:52,375
And it allows for the administrative approval

2203
01:54:52,375 --> 01:54:55,122
of development and construction of affordable housing

2204
01:54:55,122 --> 01:54:58,642
on land owned by property tax exempt religious organizations

2205
01:54:58,642 --> 01:55:00,802
or certain other types of organizations,

2206
01:55:00,802 --> 01:55:04,282
there's a significant amount of criteria

2207
01:55:04,282 --> 01:55:07,172
to what clears affordable housing on these properties that

2208
01:55:07,172 --> 01:55:09,898
requires a certain percentage of area median income

2209
01:55:09,898 --> 01:55:11,398
and the properties must be connected

2210
01:55:11,398 --> 01:55:13,394
to public water and sewer.

2211
01:55:13,394 --> 01:55:16,642
So rural religious property in the county

2212
01:55:16,642 --> 01:55:18,492
would not be subject to this because it

2213
01:55:18,492 --> 01:55:21,720
doesn't meet certain criteria as far as water and sewer

2214
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:22,262
connectivity.

2215
01:55:22,262 --> 01:55:25,537
At this time we're recommending actually no action on this item.

2216
01:55:25,537 --> 01:55:28,482
Within the legislation, it doesn't take effect until

2217
01:55:28,482 --> 01:55:32,838
January 1st of 2027 and there is a sunset clause of January 1st

2218
01:55:32,838 --> 01:55:36,762
2031 after consulting with the county attorney and also

2219
01:55:36,762 --> 01:55:39,642
the chapter legislator for the American Planning

2220
01:55:39,642 --> 01:55:43,332
Association's Virginia Chapter, they recommended localities hold

2221
01:55:43,332 --> 01:55:47,822
on adopting this because it may not be reenacted in 2031.

2222
01:55:47,822 --> 01:55:51,486
So we have to add it and then remove it at a later date.

2223
01:55:51,486 --> 01:55:53,666
They recommended the county attorney also

2224
01:55:53,666 --> 01:55:56,795
agreed that we would practice it and we

2225
01:55:56,795 --> 01:55:58,802
would allow for those organizations

2226
01:55:58,802 --> 01:56:00,902
to develop affordable housing pending that it

2227
01:56:00,902 --> 01:56:02,770
met all the criteria contained in the bill,

2228
01:56:02,770 --> 01:56:04,754
it just wouldn't be codified in our ordinance

2229
01:56:04,754 --> 01:56:07,283
and again that's kind of outside of what we told you

2230
01:56:07,283 --> 01:56:09,340
we would be doing with the Berkeley Group

2231
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:10,442
but given the sunset clause on this

2232
01:56:10,442 --> 01:56:11,911
it creates a problem where we would have something

2233
01:56:11,911 --> 01:56:14,162
in an ordinance and then we would have to kind of plan ahead

2234
01:56:14,162 --> 01:56:16,202
to remove it and not know if it's going to come out

2235
01:56:16,202 --> 01:56:18,577
or not because it may get renewed by the General Assembly

2236
01:56:18,577 --> 01:56:20,495
at some point in that interim.

2237
01:56:20,495 --> 01:56:22,594
And then if the deed gets extended

2238
01:56:22,594 --> 01:56:26,274
so it creates kind of a maintenance challenge for us.

2239
01:56:26,274 --> 01:56:29,445
The next bill is House Bill 1463.

2240
01:56:29,445 --> 01:56:32,642
And it pertains to allowing manufactured homes

2241
01:56:32,642 --> 01:56:35,414
and designated mobile home parks,

2242
01:56:35,414 --> 01:56:36,872
mobile homes and manufactured homes

2243
01:56:36,872 --> 01:56:39,162
are actually two different types of unit.

2244
01:56:39,162 --> 01:56:41,777
They're similar in the way that they're constructed

2245
01:56:41,777 --> 01:56:43,907
but they have a different HUD classification.

2246
01:56:43,907 --> 01:56:49,920
And this bill would add clarity that it would be allowed.

2247
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,572
Fortunately are, no action is required

2248
01:56:51,572 --> 01:56:52,947
because our ordinance is actually

2249
01:56:52,947 --> 01:56:55,200
compliant with the state code reference.

2250
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,708
What the Berkeley Group did it incorporates

2251
01:56:57,708 --> 01:56:59,697
state code references didn't provide

2252
01:56:59,697 --> 01:57:02,322
the actual text of the bill it just provided the code reference

2253
01:57:02,322 --> 01:57:06,148
so when we reference updates our ordinance remains compliant.

2254
01:57:06,148 --> 01:57:09,820
So I just wanted to let you know that that bill would otherwise

2255
01:57:09,820 --> 01:57:11,740
apply but we are already compliant.

2256
01:57:11,740 --> 01:57:12,792
And the final bill for your consideration

2257
01:57:12,792 --> 01:57:14,420
is Senate Bill 531.

2258
01:57:14,420 --> 01:57:17,662
And it requires a locality to include in its zoning ordinances

2259
01:57:17,662 --> 01:57:19,802
for single family residential zoning districts

2260
01:57:19,802 --> 01:57:23,299
accessory dwelling units or ADUs as defined in the bill

2261
01:57:23,299 --> 01:57:25,882
to be permitted as an accessory use.

2262
01:57:25,882 --> 01:57:28,394
Again, no action is required where ordinance compliant

2263
01:57:28,394 --> 01:57:32,658
on this we allow accessory dwelling units in our rural area

2264
01:57:32,658 --> 01:57:34,982
zoning district and all our suburban zoning districts.

2265
01:57:34,982 --> 01:57:37,452
Whether they be attached or detached to the units

2266
01:57:37,452 --> 01:57:38,818
depending on the district.

2267
01:57:38,818 --> 01:57:44,298
And again, our area of ordinance contains the proper references

2268
01:57:44,298 --> 01:57:46,862
so we are code compliant with this change by the General

2269
01:57:46,862 --> 01:57:47,362
Assembly.

2270
01:57:47,362 --> 01:57:50,802
So again this item is presented to you all as an information

2271
01:57:50,802 --> 01:57:52,400
discussion item this evening, we'd

2272
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:54,858
be seeking your authorization to proceed with the ordinance

2273
01:57:54,858 --> 01:57:57,200
amendment for House Bill 1212, that's

2274
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,202
the one again with changing the minimum lot size.

2275
01:57:59,202 --> 01:58:01,906
To a minimum of 3000ft² that would include a review

2276
01:58:01,906 --> 01:58:04,242
by the committee and then advertising for public hearing

2277
01:58:04,242 --> 01:58:06,500
at a date to be determined.

2278
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:09,500
Happy to answer any questions.

2279
01:58:09,762 --> 01:58:12,578
Chairman Jewell: I don't see any questions.

2280
01:58:12,578 --> 01:58:16,178
All right I'll entertain a motion.

2281
01:58:16,242 --> 01:58:21,420
>> I'll make a motion to approve as presented.

2282
01:58:22,233 --> 01:58:23,997
Chairman Jewell: And I need a second.

2283
01:58:23,997 --> 01:58:28,208
This will be a roll call vote as well.

2284
01:58:28,208 --> 01:58:32,408
[Members voting aye] Thank you Mr. Klein.

2285
01:58:37,122 --> 01:58:42,522
And Mr. Fox for all the work on it.

2286
01:58:46,820 --> 01:58:48,820
Mr. Bishop.

2287
01:58:49,722 --> 01:58:51,815
>> Thank you Mr. Chairman.

2288
01:58:51,815 --> 01:58:53,330
Members of the board.

2289
01:58:53,330 --> 01:58:55,137
As I think everyone is aware tonight,

2290
01:58:55,137 --> 01:58:57,646
you are considering this proposal

2291
01:58:57,646 --> 01:58:59,854
to amend chapter 165 zoning ordinance

2292
01:58:59,854 --> 01:59:02,482
to remove data centers as permitted use

2293
01:59:02,482 --> 01:59:05,347
and or conditional use in certain zoning districts

2294
01:59:05,347 --> 01:59:07,902
and to remove other references to data centers.

2295
01:59:07,902 --> 01:59:11,506
As was specifically requested by the Board of Supervisors back

2296
01:59:11,506 --> 01:59:13,282
on July 8th.

2297
01:59:13,282 --> 01:59:18,775
Your current standard is that data centers are permitted as a

2298
01:59:18,775 --> 01:59:21,402
by right only in the TTM technology

2299
01:59:21,402 --> 01:59:23,322
Manufacturing Park Zoning District,

2300
01:59:23,322 --> 01:59:29,282
as a conditional use in B3 M1 and M2 zoning districts.

2301
01:59:29,282 --> 01:59:33,482
The definition is located at 1651105.05 and also

2302
01:59:35,362 --> 01:59:37,666
as additional regulations for specific uses

2303
01:59:37,666 --> 01:59:40,922
to data centers which are also included in your zoning

2304
01:59:40,922 --> 01:59:41,422
ordinance.

2305
01:59:41,422 --> 01:59:42,962
And current requirements for data

2306
01:59:42,962 --> 01:59:47,295
centers as are adopted by the Board of Supervisors dated back

2307
01:59:47,295 --> 01:59:49,295
to April of 2025.

2308
01:59:49,348 --> 01:59:53,388
And as part of your phase one update that was adopted on May

2309
01:59:53,388 --> 01:59:57,324
13th 2026 which removed data centers as a reference potential

2310
01:59:57,324 --> 02:00:00,924
use from TTM (Indistinct) district section.

2311
02:00:01,442 --> 02:00:05,842
And that's related back to the intended use portion of that

2312
02:00:05,842 --> 02:00:09,574
which was removed as part of that May 13th action.

2313
02:00:09,574 --> 02:00:11,922
The requested action this night is

2314
02:00:11,922 --> 02:00:14,246
as presented for your information and discussion

2315
02:00:14,246 --> 02:00:15,871
there is a draft in your packet, you're

2316
02:00:15,871 --> 02:00:18,246
not voting on that draft you're voting on the resolution.

2317
02:00:18,246 --> 02:00:20,762
To direct us to keep working on that draft.

2318
02:00:20,762 --> 02:00:22,850
Take it to the Planning Commission and of course

2319
02:00:22,850 --> 02:00:25,858
back to you all for the adopted process

2320
02:00:25,858 --> 02:00:29,242
and through the state code required public hearings.

2321
02:00:29,242 --> 02:00:31,858
So we're seeking your direction your action

2322
02:00:31,858 --> 02:00:34,242
and I can take any questions you may have.

2323
02:00:34,242 --> 02:00:36,642
Chairman Jewell: Any questions?

2324
02:00:37,420 --> 02:00:38,842
Supervisor Oates.

2325
02:00:38,842 --> 02:00:41,242
Supervisor Oates: A few.

2326
02:00:41,282 --> 02:00:44,987
First, I agree with some of the speakers here tonight.

2327
02:00:44,987 --> 02:00:46,862
I don't think we should remove the definition

2328
02:00:46,862 --> 02:00:48,420
from the ordinance.

2329
02:00:48,420 --> 02:00:52,242
If this goes forward for a study by the RC.

2330
02:00:52,242 --> 02:00:54,634
I think we need to keep the definition in there.

2331
02:00:54,634 --> 02:00:57,530
Also the definition, I think probably

2332
02:00:57,530 --> 02:00:58,822
needs to get a little stricter.

2333
02:00:58,822 --> 02:01:02,922
As exactly what is a data center and what is not?

2334
02:01:02,922 --> 02:01:06,132
Because I mean, there's different categories

2335
02:01:06,132 --> 02:01:08,242
of data centers right down to the edge

2336
02:01:08,242 --> 02:01:11,114
where it's say a small one say they

2337
02:01:11,114 --> 02:01:13,982
want to consolidate all their servers into one building.

2338
02:01:13,982 --> 02:01:17,570
5000ft² are you going to eliminate that ability

2339
02:01:17,570 --> 02:01:19,970
for a local business?

2340
02:01:21,282 --> 02:01:24,882
So I don't know if we need to have like certain building

2341
02:01:24,882 --> 02:01:26,919
size or something to say all right

2342
02:01:26,919 --> 02:01:28,834
if it's the size it's fine.

2343
02:01:28,834 --> 02:01:31,234
To support a business.

2344
02:01:31,682 --> 02:01:33,122
Not the megawatt ones.

2345
02:01:33,122 --> 02:01:36,258
So that's the ones everyone's upset about.

2346
02:01:36,258 --> 02:01:39,688
The second is come on we do have an existing data

2347
02:01:39,688 --> 02:01:41,315
center in the county.

2348
02:01:41,315 --> 02:01:44,468
By removing all the standards, are we

2349
02:01:44,468 --> 02:01:48,442
freeing up that data center now so that it no longer has

2350
02:01:48,442 --> 02:01:49,595
the stricter setbacks?

2351
02:01:49,595 --> 02:01:54,202
If they decide to do an addition or do some kind of modification

2352
02:01:54,202 --> 02:01:57,802
are they now completely locked out?

2353
02:01:59,282 --> 02:02:01,282
Nonconforming use?

2354
02:02:02,482 --> 02:02:06,242
>> They are already nonconforming use so anything

2355
02:02:06,242 --> 02:02:09,342
that would lead to the level of requirement site plan they would

2356
02:02:09,342 --> 02:02:12,362
have to meet all the standards of the M1 zoning district

2357
02:02:12,362 --> 02:02:17,200
so specific to setbacks M1 does have lesser setbacks than

2358
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:19,162
the specific data center use.

2359
02:02:19,162 --> 02:02:22,700
Supervisor Oates: Okay would they still have the ability

2360
02:02:22,700 --> 02:02:25,338
to expand or taking it out and restricting it stops them

2361
02:02:25,338 --> 02:02:27,842
and they're fixed on their size from here on?

2362
02:02:27,842 --> 02:02:31,380
>> They've got no room to expand so theoretically they could

2363
02:02:31,380 --> 02:02:33,672
increase their capacity within their existing footprint

2364
02:02:33,672 --> 02:02:36,922
but they couldn't enlarge their footprint.

2365
02:02:36,922 --> 02:02:39,882
Supervisor Oates: What if they went up?

2366
02:02:39,882 --> 02:02:43,242
>> Then they're going to be subject to the height

2367
02:02:43,242 --> 02:02:45,255
restrictions of the M1 zoning district.

2368
02:02:45,255 --> 02:02:46,802
For starters.

2369
02:02:46,802 --> 02:02:49,802
Supervisor Oates: So they could go up.

2370
02:02:49,802 --> 02:02:54,479
>> As a nonconformity they could not add a story to the structure

2371
02:02:54,479 --> 02:02:56,812
to expand the use that's considered within the footprint

2372
02:02:56,812 --> 02:02:58,812
vertically as well.

2373
02:02:59,922 --> 02:03:02,679
Supervisor Oates: The other thing we're looking at this

2374
02:03:02,679 --> 02:03:03,952
is the TTM district.

2375
02:03:03,952 --> 02:03:06,130
Speaking from experience you get a developer

2376
02:03:06,130 --> 02:03:09,419
to get a TTM is put a gun to their head

2377
02:03:09,419 --> 02:03:12,462
and the only reason they consider here recently

2378
02:03:12,462 --> 02:03:15,162
is because data centers were a by right use.

2379
02:03:15,162 --> 02:03:18,802
I'd like to see us just strike the TTM district entirely

2380
02:03:18,802 --> 02:03:20,954
out of the ordinance.

2381
02:03:20,954 --> 02:03:24,660
No one's ever wanted to go to that kind of district,

2382
02:03:24,660 --> 02:03:26,162
the only time everyone showed any interest

2383
02:03:26,162 --> 02:03:27,668
is when data centers popped up.

2384
02:03:27,668 --> 02:03:31,962
So I would like that considered as well just remove

2385
02:03:31,962 --> 02:03:34,247
that entire zoning category and we

2386
02:03:34,247 --> 02:03:36,502
have M1 M2 that's good enough.

2387
02:03:36,502 --> 02:03:38,502
B3.

2388
02:03:39,522 --> 02:03:42,847
I guess those are just my ideas what

2389
02:03:42,847 --> 02:03:45,562
we need to look at when DRC takes a look at that

2390
02:03:45,562 --> 02:03:47,562
and considers it.

2391
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:52,819
>> Going back to the TTM.

2392
02:03:52,819 --> 02:03:55,434
Mr. Pearson because we went from office

2393
02:03:55,434 --> 02:03:58,642
being impact to TTM with the idea of technology

2394
02:03:58,642 --> 02:04:04,420
but at this point, it's caused more problems (Indistinct)

2395
02:04:04,302 --> 02:04:06,562
I agree with looking at that.

2396
02:04:06,562 --> 02:04:08,130
Here's the bottom line.

2397
02:04:08,130 --> 02:04:11,390
You know why you have the word data center in there

2398
02:04:11,390 --> 02:04:15,174
take it out I don't care but what I want is no way no

2399
02:04:15,174 --> 02:04:19,150
how can the data center be built. Put the wording in,

2400
02:04:19,150 --> 02:04:20,882
it's what we need.

2401
02:04:20,882 --> 02:04:22,538
It's that simple.

2402
02:04:22,538 --> 02:04:25,546
Just make sure we lock it down.

2403
02:04:25,546 --> 02:04:29,282
So no one can sneak in any other way

2404
02:04:29,282 --> 02:04:33,837
or come up with some stupid idea and we can just say, all right

2405
02:04:33,837 --> 02:04:34,685
what do I want this.

2406
02:04:34,685 --> 02:04:35,185
For now.

2407
02:04:35,185 --> 02:04:38,420
That is the way it's got to go. --

2408
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:40,299
all right we're done with this.

2409
02:04:40,299 --> 02:04:41,117
For now.

2410
02:04:41,117 --> 02:04:44,238
That is the way it's got to go.

2411
02:04:44,238 --> 02:04:44,738
[Applause]

2412
02:04:44,738 --> 02:04:47,602
>> About as clear as we can get so.

2413
02:04:47,602 --> 02:04:51,612
>> We'll continue working with the attorney and outside counsel

2414
02:04:51,612 --> 02:04:54,668
and frankly bringing forth the most highest recommended

2415
02:04:54,668 --> 02:04:58,202
and defensible ordinance you have because frankly our goal is

2416
02:04:58,202 --> 02:05:01,313
not to set you up to be in fights as to set you up to win

2417
02:05:01,313 --> 02:05:01,813
them.

2418
02:05:01,813 --> 02:05:03,282
So that's what we'll do.

2419
02:05:03,282 --> 02:05:07,268
Chairman Jewell: You're moving a fast pace we asked you to do it

2420
02:05:07,268 --> 02:05:09,202
Mr. Fox has been wonderful.

2421
02:05:09,202 --> 02:05:12,562
Making sure that we're following the laws because there are laws

2422
02:05:12,562 --> 02:05:14,984
here folks that we have got, guardrails

2423
02:05:14,984 --> 02:05:16,605
that we have got to be in.

2424
02:05:16,605 --> 02:05:20,156
So we just want the sucker locked down the best we can.

2425
02:05:20,156 --> 02:05:22,322
So yes sir supervisor Oates.

2426
02:05:22,322 --> 02:05:24,321
Supervisor Oates: One other thing

2427
02:05:24,321 --> 02:05:27,552
I'd be curious about when applicants submit application

2428
02:05:27,552 --> 02:05:29,342
to be considered there is a time limit.

2429
02:05:29,342 --> 02:05:31,322
Where are we on Gateway and Equus?

2430
02:05:31,322 --> 02:05:33,322
When did their submission come in?

2431
02:05:33,322 --> 02:05:37,700
>> Winchester gateway I heard a reference earlier that has been

2432
02:05:37,700 --> 02:05:39,908
withdrawn it has not been withdrawn they did pull out

2433
02:05:39,908 --> 02:05:42,241
of their next visit to the Planning Commission they were

2434
02:05:42,241 --> 02:05:44,597
going to be held in September, heard September 2nd

2435
02:05:44,597 --> 02:05:46,562
because they're running out of their timeline for planning

2436
02:05:46,562 --> 02:05:47,900
Commission.

2437
02:05:47,900 --> 02:05:51,304
So that's going to be heard now they've got a year from filing

2438
02:05:51,304 --> 02:05:52,977
to go to the Board of Supervisors

2439
02:05:52,977 --> 02:05:55,338
so if they ask to be held up again once they get it

2440
02:05:55,338 --> 02:05:57,880
through Planning Commission they could theoretically do that.

2441
02:05:57,880 --> 02:06:00,946
Technology Park I reached out to them again last week,

2442
02:06:00,946 --> 02:06:02,946
they're not yet ready to schedule but once again

2443
02:06:02,946 --> 02:06:04,676
their role within the envelope of one year

2444
02:06:04,676 --> 02:06:06,142
to be heard by the Board of Supervisors

2445
02:06:06,142 --> 02:06:07,975
they already had their recommendation denial

2446
02:06:07,975 --> 02:06:09,962
from the Planning Commission.

2447
02:06:09,962 --> 02:06:13,111
Supervisor Oates: I know they're in their one

2448
02:06:13,111 --> 02:06:16,242
year I was wondering when that one year runs out.

2449
02:06:16,242 --> 02:06:20,118
>> I believe it's May 7th I'm going off the cuff there

2450
02:06:20,118 --> 02:06:22,842
so forgive me if I'm off by a few days but I believe it's May

2451
02:06:22,842 --> 02:06:24,682
7th is when they will hit their one year.

2452
02:06:24,682 --> 02:06:28,442
Supervisor Oates: Until they get here we can't act on it.

2453
02:06:28,442 --> 02:06:33,738
Y'all just keep showing up every meeting until we get in front

2454
02:06:33,738 --> 02:06:37,362
of us -- we can't do anything.

2455
02:06:37,362 --> 02:06:38,952
>> Anybody else?

2456
02:06:38,952 --> 02:06:40,820
Okay.

2457
02:06:40,820 --> 02:06:43,942
>> Only clarification I would have for staff is we got two

2458
02:06:43,942 --> 02:06:44,977
different things here.

2459
02:06:44,977 --> 02:06:46,889
Now that TMS put a play because really I

2460
02:06:46,889 --> 02:06:49,472
think we've got two resolutions that we're trying to pass down

2461
02:06:49,472 --> 02:06:50,802
is that correct?

2462
02:06:50,802 --> 02:06:53,834
I'm not I'm 100% with you guys the team just

2463
02:06:53,834 --> 02:06:54,727
doesn't make sense.

2464
02:06:54,727 --> 02:06:58,274
And I just want to make sure that we're not

2465
02:06:58,274 --> 02:06:59,482
gobbling everything together.

2466
02:06:59,482 --> 02:07:01,839
Or if that's the way we're supposed to do it,

2467
02:07:01,839 --> 02:07:04,802
I don't really know I just want to make sure that we're fine.

2468
02:07:04,802 --> 02:07:08,442
>> I'm looking at Mr. Pearson he's going yeah.

2469
02:07:08,442 --> 02:07:11,770
>> You all can pass the resolution with the intent

2470
02:07:11,770 --> 02:07:14,322
to include the changes that you discussed and advertise them

2471
02:07:14,322 --> 02:07:15,842
for public hearing as well.

2472
02:07:15,842 --> 02:07:17,842
>> Thank you.

2473
02:07:18,322 --> 02:07:19,762
>> All right.

2474
02:07:19,762 --> 02:07:23,156
So I need a motion on this.

2475
02:07:23,156 --> 02:07:25,862
And I need a second.

2476
02:07:25,862 --> 02:07:27,342
All right.

2477
02:07:27,342 --> 02:07:29,342
Supervisor Oates.

2478
02:07:31,364 --> 02:07:33,364
[Members voting aye]

2479
02:07:37,900 --> 02:07:39,442
Chairman Jewell: Thank you Mr. Bishop

2480
02:07:39,442 --> 02:07:41,882
and all of you for all the work you've done on that.

2481
02:07:41,882 --> 02:07:43,268
All right.

2482
02:07:43,268 --> 02:07:47,314
Next item up is board liaison reports.

2483
02:07:47,314 --> 02:07:49,714
Do we have any?

2484
02:07:50,762 --> 02:07:56,162
I'm looking at you -- go your way first.

2485
02:07:56,202 --> 02:07:59,427
>> Parks and rec commission meeting last night.

2486
02:07:59,427 --> 02:08:01,682
Madigan long commission member was

2487
02:08:01,682 --> 02:08:03,434
recognized for exceptional contributions

2488
02:08:03,434 --> 02:08:07,322
as a member of the Parks and Rec Commission.

2489
02:08:07,322 --> 02:08:09,532
Spent 22 years on that commission.

2490
02:08:09,532 --> 02:08:11,532
From 2004, 20 2026.

2491
02:08:15,282 --> 02:08:18,182
During his final two years of facilities

2492
02:08:18,182 --> 02:08:21,650
were maintained in Parks and Rec made a new program for started

2493
02:08:21,650 --> 02:08:24,906
and he's been recognized with a plaque on the monument

2494
02:08:24,906 --> 02:08:27,522
at the entrance of Schroeder Park

2495
02:08:27,522 --> 02:08:30,620
Warner Drive so again congratulations

2496
02:08:30,620 --> 02:08:33,620
to Mr. Ron Medich and.

2497
02:08:33,642 --> 02:08:35,442
>> Awesome that's great.

2498
02:08:35,442 --> 02:08:37,442
Anybody else?

2499
02:08:37,962 --> 02:08:39,962
Supervisor one dot.

2500
02:08:43,322 --> 02:08:45,698
Supervisor Orndorff: Chairman members of the board.

2501
02:08:45,698 --> 02:08:49,858
County Sanitation District Advisory Committee met on Monday

2502
02:08:49,858 --> 02:08:51,155
August the 3rd.

2503
02:08:51,155 --> 02:08:54,222
They spent some time talking about the yard sale

2504
02:08:54,222 --> 02:08:58,920
they had a very successful yard sale on the spring.

2505
02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:01,430
They were talking about running one in the fall.

2506
02:09:01,430 --> 02:09:04,938
But I've since learned that the person

2507
02:09:04,938 --> 02:09:08,466
who coordinated that for them just felt

2508
02:09:08,466 --> 02:09:10,150
that she couldn't handle it.

2509
02:09:10,150 --> 02:09:13,242
So we'll see what they decide at their next meeting.

2510
02:09:13,242 --> 02:09:19,242
The manager's report, 42 miles of road that stored and chipped

2511
02:09:23,170 --> 02:09:27,970
in Shawnee land and this year so far,

2512
02:09:29,308 --> 02:09:32,308
they've done 7.49 miles of trail .

2513
02:09:35,442 --> 02:09:37,842
At a cost of $257,481.

2514
02:09:38,495 --> 02:09:44,495
Parking lots striping, they had met with the schools about

2515
02:09:47,370 --> 02:09:53,722
the bus pickup area, so they have had that work done,

2516
02:09:53,722 --> 02:09:56,522
it was done July 6th and seventh.

2517
02:09:56,522 --> 02:09:58,922
At a cost of $3,141.

2518
02:09:59,698 --> 02:10:04,498
They've been replacing culverts and they're pretty much

2519
02:10:04,798 --> 02:10:05,414
caught up.

2520
02:10:05,414 --> 02:10:11,414
They currently have seven more scheduled to replace the Sierra.

2521
02:10:12,842 --> 02:10:15,242
-- replace this year.

2522
02:10:15,754 --> 02:10:18,130
Asphalt patching and motor grader work,

2523
02:10:18,130 --> 02:10:24,130
the staff has placed 147 000 tons of asphalt on the numerous

2524
02:10:24,347 --> 02:10:27,347
trails, that's 184 dump truck loads.

2525
02:10:28,202 --> 02:10:30,990
119 000 $302.

2526
02:10:30,990 --> 02:10:33,699
So quite a bit of work.

2527
02:10:34,642 --> 02:10:35,575
Done their.

2528
02:10:35,575 --> 02:10:39,175
And then there are vegetation control ,

2529
02:10:41,298 --> 02:10:45,498
they're doing that by cutting not spraying.

2530
02:10:46,842 --> 02:10:52,842
So that's the liaison report for Shawnee Land Sanitary District

2531
02:10:53,882 --> 02:10:55,522
Advisory Committee.

2532
02:10:55,522 --> 02:11:00,922
Also on the fifth, the Extension leadership council met.

2533
02:11:06,602 --> 02:11:09,602
Extension reported financial literacy management

2534
02:11:10,168 --> 02:11:12,442
program in the schools has been a success

2535
02:11:12,442 --> 02:11:17,202
and members were encouraged to anticipate this coming year.

2536
02:11:17,202 --> 02:11:19,838
Also reported that two four age club

2537
02:11:19,838 --> 02:11:22,277
teens participated in the national competitions

2538
02:11:22,277 --> 02:11:26,818
and were successful in placing in the Horse Bowl

2539
02:11:26,818 --> 02:11:32,242
and the shooting sports also had some national and individual

2540
02:11:32,242 --> 02:11:33,180
winners.

2541
02:11:33,180 --> 02:11:37,218
It was also reported Frederick County Fair

2542
02:11:37,362 --> 02:11:40,202
attendance was up this year and the carnival was enjoyed

2543
02:11:40,202 --> 02:11:43,974
by the younger crowd in particular. (Indistinct)

2544
02:11:43,974 --> 02:11:46,374
stock shows went well.

2545
02:11:47,361 --> 02:11:50,302
Frederick County Parks and Rec children

2546
02:11:50,302 --> 02:11:53,902
to the fair education recreational activity

2547
02:11:55,786 --> 02:11:59,200
for FFA members and other volunteers

2548
02:11:59,200 --> 02:12:01,762
give tours of the facilities histories

2549
02:12:01,762 --> 02:12:03,426
animals for the children.

2550
02:12:03,426 --> 02:12:07,626
It was expressed that Caden Schumaker exchanged

2551
02:12:07,828 --> 02:12:11,586
summer intern was a huge help on the fair.

2552
02:12:11,586 --> 02:12:14,522
Her willingness to do anything requested

2553
02:12:14,522 --> 02:12:17,402
was greatly appreciated, which I'm sure

2554
02:12:17,402 --> 02:12:20,402
the job description for that.

2555
02:12:21,162 --> 02:12:24,170
[Laughter] Chairman kindly asked Rose McDonald

2556
02:12:24,170 --> 02:12:27,194
to thank the fair board for the work and assistance

2557
02:12:27,194 --> 02:12:31,642
to a great County fair she also thanked the VCE

2558
02:12:31,642 --> 02:12:35,753
staff for all their work and time contributed to the fair.

2559
02:12:35,753 --> 02:12:39,498
And then Frederick County's new for each extension is Michael

2560
02:12:39,498 --> 02:12:42,876
Van Ness, who will begin work on August 10th.

2561
02:12:42,876 --> 02:12:45,372
Mr. Chairman unless there's questions

2562
02:12:45,372 --> 02:12:47,922
I can conclude my liaison report.

2563
02:12:47,922 --> 02:12:50,575
Chairman Jewell: All I've got to say

2564
02:12:50,575 --> 02:12:53,442
is we're very fortunate with our FFA program and our

2565
02:12:53,442 --> 02:12:55,290
for each program here in this county.

2566
02:12:55,290 --> 02:12:58,738
So it's larger than people, I think

2567
02:12:58,738 --> 02:13:03,335
people think and I know I was there at the fair and they said,

2568
02:13:03,335 --> 02:13:06,682
I think they had like over a hundred animals being shown.

2569
02:13:06,682 --> 02:13:07,834
It was huge.

2570
02:13:07,834 --> 02:13:09,762
So thank you sir.

2571
02:13:09,762 --> 02:13:10,782
Anybody else?

2572
02:13:10,782 --> 02:13:12,782
All right.

2573
02:13:14,820 --> 02:13:15,502
Next up.

2574
02:13:15,502 --> 02:13:17,362
Citizens comments.

2575
02:13:17,362 --> 02:13:18,602
Madam clerk.

2576
02:13:18,602 --> 02:13:20,426
>> Yes sir.

2577
02:13:20,426 --> 02:13:22,426
Amber Frye?

2578
02:13:27,609 --> 02:13:28,882
Chairman Jewell: Okay.

2579
02:13:28,882 --> 02:13:30,882
>> Brian Nouri.

2580
02:13:33,642 --> 02:13:35,282
>> I'm here.

2581
02:13:35,282 --> 02:13:37,228
Thank you Mr. Chairman.

2582
02:13:37,228 --> 02:13:37,728
Board.

2583
02:13:37,728 --> 02:13:39,815
Members of the board my name is Brian Noori

2584
02:13:39,815 --> 02:13:41,398
I'm a resident of the district.

2585
02:13:41,398 --> 02:13:44,842
I'm here to remind the residents of the county that not only are

2586
02:13:44,842 --> 02:13:47,312
we voting in November to replace a couple of supervisors

2587
02:13:47,312 --> 02:13:49,282
and our congressional representative

2588
02:13:49,282 --> 02:13:52,642
we also have three amendments to our state's Constitution

2589
02:13:52,642 --> 02:13:54,226
and a local referendum.

2590
02:13:54,226 --> 02:13:56,119
When we have an opportunity to affect

2591
02:13:56,119 --> 02:13:58,791
a change in how our state and locality runs

2592
02:13:58,791 --> 02:14:00,322
we should take those opportunities.

2593
02:14:00,322 --> 02:14:04,788
The first one is on the question of reproductive rights

2594
02:14:04,788 --> 02:14:05,388
of Virginians.

2595
02:14:05,388 --> 02:14:07,530
In the wake of the Dobbs decision

2596
02:14:07,530 --> 02:14:09,386
we have the opportunity to protect the fundamental right

2597
02:14:09,386 --> 02:14:12,122
of a woman to choose how they will carry forward

2598
02:14:12,122 --> 02:14:13,682
a pregnancy or not.

2599
02:14:13,682 --> 02:14:16,642
Relating to prenatal care childbirth postpartum care

2600
02:14:16,642 --> 02:14:19,420
contraception abortion care miscarriage

2601
02:14:19,415 --> 02:14:21,462
management and fertility care.

2602
02:14:21,462 --> 02:14:24,282
The government has no rights to intervene

2603
02:14:24,282 --> 02:14:27,842
between a woman and her doctors as to what care best

2604
02:14:27,842 --> 02:14:29,522
protects her and her family.

2605
02:14:29,522 --> 02:14:31,466
So vote yes.

2606
02:14:31,466 --> 02:14:34,586
Second, concerns the vote to marry whomever we want.

2607
02:14:34,586 --> 02:14:39,420
The 2015 decision made section 15 a the state's Bill

2608
02:14:39,420 --> 02:14:40,662
of rights unenforceable.

2609
02:14:40,662 --> 02:14:45,462
Yet title 20 chapter two subsection 20-13.2 ensures that

2610
02:14:46,282 --> 02:14:49,835
marriages are lawful regardless of sex gender,

2611
02:14:49,835 --> 02:14:52,208
or race of parties.

2612
02:14:52,208 --> 02:14:53,858
So which is a?

2613
02:14:53,858 --> 02:14:55,432
Remember the function of government

2614
02:14:55,432 --> 02:14:58,232
in endorsing marriages is to issue licenses

2615
02:14:58,232 --> 02:15:00,142
to unrelated unmarried parties.

2616
02:15:00,142 --> 02:15:01,762
That's it.

2617
02:15:01,762 --> 02:15:04,802
It's time to enshrine more freedom for Virginians from XO

2618
02:15:04,802 --> 02:15:05,826
vote yes.

2619
02:15:05,826 --> 02:15:09,227
Finally a third amendment would re-enfranchise

2620
02:15:09,227 --> 02:15:11,602
felons who have fulfilled their obligations as punishment

2621
02:15:11,602 --> 02:15:12,802
for their crimes.

2622
02:15:12,802 --> 02:15:16,708
At least 7% of eligible voters in Virginia are eligible to vote

2623
02:15:16,708 --> 02:15:21,327
-- ineligible to vote due to a 1901 Constitutional convention

2624
02:15:21,327 --> 02:15:24,202
that intended to do an end run on the 14th and 15th amendments

2625
02:15:24,202 --> 02:15:26,655
saying that voting was not a natural right.

2626
02:15:26,655 --> 02:15:30,222
The bulk of the damage done to Virginia from that convention

2627
02:15:30,222 --> 02:15:31,762
was corrected in 1971.

2628
02:15:31,762 --> 02:15:35,634
With the amendment will give more Virginians more

2629
02:15:35,634 --> 02:15:37,962
say in the governance so vote yes.

2630
02:15:37,962 --> 02:15:39,842
As proponents of small government

2631
02:15:39,842 --> 02:15:42,486
I would expect the majority of this county,

2632
02:15:42,486 --> 02:15:44,620
much less the Commonwealth itself

2633
02:15:44,620 --> 02:15:47,372
to vote for these amendments to remove three more limitations

2634
02:15:47,372 --> 02:15:49,975
on their rights being handed down from Richmond.

2635
02:15:49,975 --> 02:15:52,602
We don't live in a democracy but we

2636
02:15:52,602 --> 02:15:54,795
are able to vote on these items that

2637
02:15:54,795 --> 02:15:58,362
can directly affect our lives and the lives of all Virginians.

2638
02:15:58,362 --> 02:16:00,122
Additionally residents to the county

2639
02:16:00,122 --> 02:16:02,815
can vote on enacting a 1% sales tax that

2640
02:16:02,815 --> 02:16:06,220
would be earmarked for capital expenses for schools.

2641
02:16:06,220 --> 02:16:07,935
Considering the so-called difficulty

2642
02:16:07,935 --> 02:16:12,542
we've had for the past 15 years, to expand renovate and construct

2643
02:16:12,542 --> 02:16:15,255
new schools, this should be a blessing especially considering

2644
02:16:15,255 --> 02:16:18,330
that much of this would be paid by passes through and tourist.

2645
02:16:18,330 --> 02:16:21,458
Would a fantastic way to get schools in this county

2646
02:16:21,458 --> 02:16:22,478
built and updated.

2647
02:16:22,478 --> 02:16:24,842
I'm not a proponent of straight down the ticket

2648
02:16:24,842 --> 02:16:26,832
voting but the amendments and the referendum

2649
02:16:26,832 --> 02:16:30,260
I would encourage voters to vote yes straight down the line.

2650
02:16:30,260 --> 02:16:32,402
We want more freedoms not fewer.

2651
02:16:32,402 --> 02:16:34,294
Check the status of your voter registration

2652
02:16:34,294 --> 02:16:36,282
and make sure you take the opportunity to make

2653
02:16:36,282 --> 02:16:37,980
your voice heard.

2654
02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:39,980
Thank you.

2655
02:16:39,593 --> 02:16:40,176
[Timer chimes]

2656
02:16:40,176 --> 02:16:41,720
[Applause]

2657
02:16:41,720 --> 02:16:43,720
>> Steven Alabanys.

2658
02:16:52,344 --> 02:16:54,762
>> Good evening members of the board my name is Stephen

2659
02:16:54,762 --> 02:16:59,202
Albanese and I'm a resident of Shawnee Magisterial District

2660
02:16:59,202 --> 02:17:02,820
which is a correction to what I wrote on the sign up sheet.

2661
02:17:02,820 --> 02:17:06,882
Tonight I'm advocating for vulnerable people in Frederick

2662
02:17:07,642 --> 02:17:09,242
County as well as across Virginia.

2663
02:17:09,242 --> 02:17:13,402
I'm asking this board to consider and adopt

2664
02:17:13,402 --> 02:17:16,982
a resolution calling upon the Commonwealth of Virginia

2665
02:17:16,982 --> 02:17:21,202
to outlaw abortion and to provide equal justice of the law

2666
02:17:21,202 --> 02:17:22,892
to preborn humans.

2667
02:17:22,892 --> 02:17:26,794
They should not be a Republican versus Democrat issue.

2668
02:17:26,794 --> 02:17:29,194
But one of morality.

2669
02:17:29,202 --> 02:17:34,322
And are currently affects many right here in our community.

2670
02:17:34,322 --> 02:17:37,322
Specifically I'm asking Frederick County

2671
02:17:37,392 --> 02:17:41,200
to urge the Virginia General Assembly and the governor

2672
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:44,182
to enact legislation recognizing that preborn

2673
02:17:44,182 --> 02:17:47,142
humans from conception are entitled

2674
02:17:47,142 --> 02:17:49,642
to the same fundamental protection

2675
02:17:49,642 --> 02:17:52,332
against intentional killing that we've recognized

2676
02:17:52,332 --> 02:17:54,820
for humans after birth.

2677
02:17:54,820 --> 02:17:58,282
Virginia law already recognizes in other circumstances

2678
02:17:59,550 --> 02:18:02,962
that the intentional killing of a fetus can be a serious felony.

2679
02:18:02,962 --> 02:18:06,562
Virginia Code 18.2 to 30.2 provides criminal penalties

2680
02:18:08,432 --> 02:18:11,180
when a person unlawfully and intentionally kills

2681
02:18:11,180 --> 02:18:12,962
the fetus of another.

2682
02:18:12,962 --> 02:18:15,162
Yet Virginia's abortion statute separately

2683
02:18:15,162 --> 02:18:17,502
creates circumstances in which an unborn child

2684
02:18:17,502 --> 02:18:19,627
may be intentionally killed through abortion.

2685
02:18:19,627 --> 02:18:22,218
I'm asking this board to call for that distinction

2686
02:18:22,218 --> 02:18:23,346
to be removed.

2687
02:18:23,346 --> 02:18:26,882
The principle I'm asking you to consider is simple.

2688
02:18:26,882 --> 02:18:29,815
Given that Preborn, a preborn child

2689
02:18:29,815 --> 02:18:32,362
is a human, then his or her protection

2690
02:18:32,362 --> 02:18:34,114
from intentional killing should not

2691
02:18:34,114 --> 02:18:37,882
depend on location or stage of development, size,

2692
02:18:37,882 --> 02:18:41,762
or whether that human is wanted in medical scenarios,

2693
02:18:41,762 --> 02:18:44,322
all humans should be treated as patients.

2694
02:18:44,322 --> 02:18:46,562
Both mother and baby.

2695
02:18:46,562 --> 02:18:49,866
That fact, the fact that people disagree

2696
02:18:49,866 --> 02:18:52,394
about the status of preborn humans

2697
02:18:52,394 --> 02:18:55,532
as full humans doesn't change reality.

2698
02:18:55,532 --> 02:19:00,522
In action or complacency is as bad as the dehumanization

2699
02:19:00,522 --> 02:19:01,234
itself.

2700
02:19:01,234 --> 02:19:06,582
Equal justice now for equal value no matter size

2701
02:19:06,582 --> 02:19:07,524
or location.

2702
02:19:07,524 --> 02:19:11,680
This is the voice of the voiceless.

2703
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:14,737
Therefore I respectfully ask Frederick County Board

2704
02:19:14,737 --> 02:19:18,201
of Supervisors to adopt a resolution stating

2705
02:19:18,201 --> 02:19:21,770
that Frederick County recognizes the equal human value born

2706
02:19:21,770 --> 02:19:25,348
in Preborn humans and supports equal protection

2707
02:19:25,348 --> 02:19:27,326
of the law for both.

2708
02:19:27,326 --> 02:19:30,820
Frederick County calls upon the Virginia General Assembly

2709
02:19:30,820 --> 02:19:34,820
to abolish abortion by removing statutory provisions that

2710
02:19:34,820 --> 02:19:37,110
authorize the intentional killing of preborn human beings.

2711
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:40,201
And the county to call upon the Commonwealth

2712
02:19:40,201 --> 02:19:43,562
to structure its laws so that existing principles of law

2713
02:19:43,562 --> 02:19:46,433
protecting innocent humans from killing

2714
02:19:46,433 --> 02:19:49,602
apply equally to preborn humans, rather

2715
02:19:49,602 --> 02:19:53,270
than maintaining a separate legal exception for abortion.

2716
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:55,270
Also

2717
02:19:56,459 --> 02:19:59,912
[Timer chimes] Thank you very much for your time.

2718
02:19:59,912 --> 02:20:02,162
[Applause] >> Mr. Chairman that's the end of the list.

2719
02:20:02,162 --> 02:20:05,593
Chairman Jewell: Anybody else would like to come up and speak?

2720
02:20:05,593 --> 02:20:10,200
You're coming up, folks line up behind them please.

2721
02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:15,655
>> Thank you Mr. Chairman members of the board my name is

2722
02:20:15,655 --> 02:20:19,544
Esper (Indistinct) I guess this is turning into a bit

2723
02:20:19,544 --> 02:20:21,922
of a public forum we do have a couple critical amendments

2724
02:20:21,922 --> 02:20:23,361
on the ballot.

2725
02:20:23,361 --> 02:20:25,462
And the first one is an amendment

2726
02:20:25,462 --> 02:20:29,620
that allows for unrestricted unlimited abortions in Virginia.

2727
02:20:29,620 --> 02:20:32,474
It would strip back any control over the people who

2728
02:20:32,474 --> 02:20:33,682
are performing the abortions.

2729
02:20:33,682 --> 02:20:36,866
And one of the original reasons for ROE

2730
02:20:36,866 --> 02:20:40,170
was to make sure that back alley abortions did not occur.

2731
02:20:40,170 --> 02:20:41,822
This new amendment would not allow

2732
02:20:41,822 --> 02:20:44,330
for any restrictions on the practices of abortion

2733
02:20:44,330 --> 02:20:46,762
to make abortions even more unsafe.

2734
02:20:46,762 --> 02:20:49,305
It also would roll back any kind of parental notification

2735
02:20:49,305 --> 02:20:51,562
or parental consent in Virginia.

2736
02:20:51,562 --> 02:20:53,932
And it would remove any kind of religious liberty

2737
02:20:53,932 --> 02:20:55,222
and religious freedom.

2738
02:20:55,222 --> 02:20:56,802
At risk care.

2739
02:20:56,802 --> 02:21:00,941
It is the most broad, overreaching amendment

2740
02:21:00,941 --> 02:21:04,541
on this topic in the world.

2741
02:21:05,127 --> 02:21:09,927
And so it really goes beyond the pale.

2742
02:21:10,595 --> 02:21:15,530
I have a close family member who was raped

2743
02:21:15,530 --> 02:21:16,807
and had a child at 27 weeks.

2744
02:21:16,807 --> 02:21:21,201
I held that child in my hand when she was 1 pound.

2745
02:21:21,201 --> 02:21:22,468
Right after she was born.

2746
02:21:22,468 --> 02:21:24,242
She fit in the palm of my hand.

2747
02:21:24,242 --> 02:21:28,593
That child is now over three, is thriving and leading

2748
02:21:28,593 --> 02:21:29,842
an incredible life.

2749
02:21:29,842 --> 02:21:32,306
Those are the kinds of success stories

2750
02:21:32,306 --> 02:21:35,602
that we should celebrate as Americans and as Virginians.

2751
02:21:35,602 --> 02:21:38,732
When we talk about freedom, the most important freedom

2752
02:21:38,732 --> 02:21:40,322
is the right to exist.

2753
02:21:40,322 --> 02:21:42,446
And with this amendment on the ballot does

2754
02:21:42,446 --> 02:21:44,162
is limits people's right to exist

2755
02:21:44,162 --> 02:21:47,351
so I would encourage everyone in Frederick County,

2756
02:21:47,351 --> 02:21:48,768
let's make ourselves known for how

2757
02:21:48,768 --> 02:21:53,114
we care for the most vulnerable by supporting mothers who need

2758
02:21:53,114 --> 02:21:56,582
support, by supporting children who need support.

2759
02:21:56,582 --> 02:21:59,765
Not by making it easier to terminate lives.

2760
02:21:59,765 --> 02:22:01,348
Just because they're in inconvenience.

2761
02:22:01,348 --> 02:22:03,348
Thank you.

2762
02:22:06,962 --> 02:22:08,264
[Applause]

2763
02:22:08,264 --> 02:22:10,842
>> Thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak again.

2764
02:22:10,842 --> 02:22:13,842
I had not planned to do that until Mr. Oates brought up

2765
02:22:13,842 --> 02:22:15,132
about the battery storage.

2766
02:22:15,132 --> 02:22:19,200
My name is Vicki Michaels and I am in the Stonewall District.

2767
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:24,250
So months ago, Mr. Oates brought up and submitted before you

2768
02:22:24,250 --> 02:22:25,850
all about the battery storage.

2769
02:22:25,850 --> 02:22:28,740
And it was sent to the Planning Commission.

2770
02:22:28,740 --> 02:22:32,415
And it was also sent to the DRC.

2771
02:22:32,415 --> 02:22:35,114
I attended both of those meetings.

2772
02:22:35,114 --> 02:22:39,255
The DRC was mostly answered by well

2773
02:22:39,255 --> 02:22:41,442
we're not sure of that yet, we don't know about that

2774
02:22:41,442 --> 02:22:45,807
but it was regarding whether or not we have cup for.

2775
02:22:45,807 --> 02:22:50,602
Then again it was scheduled for another meeting on July 23rd,

2776
02:22:50,602 --> 02:22:51,970
which was canceled.

2777
02:22:51,970 --> 02:22:54,882
So I frankly would like to see this come before us so we

2778
02:22:54,882 --> 02:22:55,855
can get it settled.

2779
02:22:55,855 --> 02:22:58,802
Because I do not appreciate hearing about how

2780
02:22:58,802 --> 02:23:05,962
you almost had to cut the power to this entity or this entity

2781
02:23:05,962 --> 02:23:07,762
because of lack of it.

2782
02:23:07,762 --> 02:23:09,746
That's a threat technique.

2783
02:23:09,746 --> 02:23:13,762
And I, I spoke earlier in a very positive manner

2784
02:23:13,762 --> 02:23:16,580
because I genuinely feel that way.

2785
02:23:16,580 --> 02:23:18,335
But when you start telling me that if I do not

2786
02:23:18,335 --> 02:23:21,290
agree to something, this is what's going to happen,

2787
02:23:21,290 --> 02:23:23,847
you're going to get my goat up.

2788
02:23:23,847 --> 02:23:27,220
So instead of us encouraging and looking

2789
02:23:27,220 --> 02:23:31,282
at battery storage, which means the electrical companies

2790
02:23:31,282 --> 02:23:34,395
are required to buy power from them,

2791
02:23:34,395 --> 02:23:38,542
which is going to only benefit the people who have the battery

2792
02:23:38,542 --> 02:23:39,420
storage.

2793
02:23:39,420 --> 02:23:41,322
It does not benefit us.

2794
02:23:41,322 --> 02:23:43,847
Let's get this before us so we can

2795
02:23:43,847 --> 02:23:48,820
get it settled so that we can see what is truth, what is fact,

2796
02:23:48,820 --> 02:23:49,382
and what is pure lies.

2797
02:23:49,382 --> 02:23:50,202
Thank you.

2798
02:23:50,202 --> 02:23:52,602
>> Thank thank you Ma'am.

2799
02:23:53,602 --> 02:23:58,418
>> Hey y'all my name's Elizabeth Bat Creek I'm actually

2800
02:23:58,418 --> 02:24:00,756
on the ballot for November for the Bat Creek seat.

2801
02:24:00,756 --> 02:24:06,554
I wrote to all of you that about democracy, about coal mines

2802
02:24:06,554 --> 02:24:08,620
about canaries all the things.

2803
02:24:08,620 --> 02:24:11,602
Begging for mercy begging for cents begging for common sense.

2804
02:24:11,602 --> 02:24:13,882
I've asked Al to mentor me.

2805
02:24:13,882 --> 02:24:16,990
To pass the mantle down.

2806
02:24:16,990 --> 02:24:18,990
I'm 42 years old.

2807
02:24:18,250 --> 02:24:21,562
Don't you think it's time for other people

2808
02:24:21,562 --> 02:24:25,582
to take seats of power, to make decisions for our future?

2809
02:24:25,582 --> 02:24:27,982
Thank you Supervisor Oates.

2810
02:24:27,988 --> 02:24:29,572
For having transparency.

2811
02:24:29,572 --> 02:24:33,154
And just talking like normal people.

2812
02:24:33,154 --> 02:24:35,585
This data center thing, the fact that we

2813
02:24:35,585 --> 02:24:38,200
can't have any communication about that people are begging

2814
02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:39,890
pleading asking for mercy.

2815
02:24:39,890 --> 02:24:42,506
Do you have any idea how undignified that is?

2816
02:24:42,506 --> 02:24:45,292
You ask for respect and yet you don't give it.

2817
02:24:45,292 --> 02:24:47,102
It's extraordinary to me.

2818
02:24:47,102 --> 02:24:50,542
We're talking about people privatizing water.

2819
02:24:50,542 --> 02:24:54,842
Those two Ashburn things when they popped on their generators

2820
02:24:54,842 --> 02:24:57,398
they sent ripples throughout our entire East Coast grid

2821
02:24:57,398 --> 02:25:00,202
and we're acting like that isn't happening.

2822
02:25:00,202 --> 02:25:04,402
Our electric all over Ohio Indiana, BlackRock,

2823
02:25:05,882 --> 02:25:08,322
is privatizing all of our resources.

2824
02:25:08,322 --> 02:25:09,642
Y'all.

2825
02:25:09,642 --> 02:25:11,362
Seriously?

2826
02:25:11,362 --> 02:25:13,812
Do you not see that every county across America

2827
02:25:13,812 --> 02:25:15,962
is fighting data centers for a reason?

2828
02:25:15,962 --> 02:25:18,506
That they're popping up like tumors?

2829
02:25:18,506 --> 02:25:19,842
Like cancers?

2830
02:25:19,842 --> 02:25:25,242
China our enemy, has 400 data centers for 1.2 billion people.

2831
02:25:25,527 --> 02:25:28,902
How many do we have in Virginia so far?

2832
02:25:28,902 --> 02:25:30,588
It's disgraceful.

2833
02:25:30,588 --> 02:25:31,775
Disgraceful.

2834
02:25:31,775 --> 02:25:33,962
This is our county.

2835
02:25:33,962 --> 02:25:35,306
This is our land.

2836
02:25:35,306 --> 02:25:37,202
And we are Virginians.

2837
02:25:37,202 --> 02:25:40,130
We're going to sit here and let them do this to us?

2838
02:25:40,130 --> 02:25:41,150
These billionaires?

2839
02:25:41,150 --> 02:25:43,874
These tech oligarchy is going to come on our land

2840
02:25:43,874 --> 02:25:44,862
and tell us what to do?

2841
02:25:44,862 --> 02:25:48,597
Develop all of our things and take our resources?

2842
02:25:48,597 --> 02:25:50,722
That's why I have to be up here all the time that's

2843
02:25:50,722 --> 02:25:52,562
why these poor people have to do this.

2844
02:25:52,562 --> 02:25:55,282
Because y'all won't make commitments to anything

2845
02:25:55,282 --> 02:25:56,815
because you don't have Constitution.

2846
02:25:56,815 --> 02:25:59,215
Show us something better.

2847
02:25:59,402 --> 02:26:01,242
I deserve respect to you.

2848
02:26:01,242 --> 02:26:03,242
You got me?

2849
02:26:07,523 --> 02:26:09,104
[Applause]

2850
02:26:09,104 --> 02:26:12,104
>> My name is Alexander Ritter.

2851
02:26:12,268 --> 02:26:15,742
I usually don't speak without having something written.

2852
02:26:15,742 --> 02:26:18,538
I'm in pagan district sorry my bad.

2853
02:26:18,538 --> 02:26:20,842
I usually don't speak without having something

2854
02:26:20,842 --> 02:26:23,904
written because I get anxiety when I'm up here.

2855
02:26:23,904 --> 02:26:28,110
But I wanted to say that I'm also running for the chairman

2856
02:26:28,110 --> 02:26:28,706
position.

2857
02:26:28,706 --> 02:26:32,716
And that I was thinking earlier, by the way

2858
02:26:32,716 --> 02:26:36,666
thank you oats for reiterating that we need to keep

2859
02:26:36,666 --> 02:26:38,422
the definition of data centers.

2860
02:26:38,422 --> 02:26:42,220
I was thinking earlier, Mr. Willie

2861
02:26:43,834 --> 02:26:47,984
Deutsch I don't know how to say her name he came up here

2862
02:26:47,984 --> 02:26:51,842
and he asked, I want to hear what your position on data

2863
02:26:51,842 --> 02:26:53,820
centers are.

2864
02:26:53,820 --> 02:26:57,282
And every single, never heard any confirmation

2865
02:26:57,398 --> 02:27:00,282
other than a couple of vague remarks.

2866
02:27:00,282 --> 02:27:04,482
Besides Mr. Wells, you have released things

2867
02:27:06,114 --> 02:27:09,690
and you're my supervisor and I appreciate your service

2868
02:27:09,690 --> 02:27:11,642
to my district.

2869
02:27:11,642 --> 02:27:15,239
What I want to say is as I person running,

2870
02:27:15,239 --> 02:27:17,379
I tell you what my position is.

2871
02:27:17,379 --> 02:27:18,722
No data center is.

2872
02:27:18,722 --> 02:27:19,562
Prohibit them.

2873
02:27:19,562 --> 02:27:20,628
In our county.

2874
02:27:20,628 --> 02:27:23,655
And I want to mention that several of you

2875
02:27:23,655 --> 02:27:25,978
up here when you're on the Planning Commission,

2876
02:27:25,978 --> 02:27:32,842
or as a Board of Supervisors, when you're on the Back Creek

2877
02:27:32,842 --> 02:27:34,682
District or whatever district.

2878
02:27:34,682 --> 02:27:39,482
Have voted yes and, a couple times so.

2879
02:27:40,628 --> 02:27:42,680
Just wanted to point that out.

2880
02:27:42,680 --> 02:27:44,255
Thank you very much for letting me speak.

2881
02:27:44,255 --> 02:27:46,340
I know where I stand.

2882
02:27:46,340 --> 02:27:48,434
Maybe you should too.

2883
02:27:49,256 --> 02:27:50,548
Chairman Jewell: Thank you sir.

2884
02:27:50,548 --> 02:27:51,375
Anybody else?

2885
02:27:51,375 --> 02:27:52,722
All right.

2886
02:27:52,722 --> 02:27:54,722
Come on up.

2887
02:27:56,202 --> 02:27:58,202
>> Wendy Dorothy gainsboro.

2888
02:27:58,730 --> 02:28:04,200
I just want to let you know that I'm genuinely trying

2889
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:06,786
to understand all the issues.

2890
02:28:06,786 --> 02:28:11,586
I'm genuinely reading, speaking, learning all the time.

2891
02:28:11,698 --> 02:28:12,735
About these issues.

2892
02:28:12,735 --> 02:28:17,220
In front of us, the data centers, the transmission lines,

2893
02:28:17,220 --> 02:28:21,242
the water, the air come on how all that is going to affect us

2894
02:28:21,242 --> 02:28:23,855
and I just do want you to know that I genuinely

2895
02:28:23,855 --> 02:28:27,802
am trying to parse out the difference when I'm

2896
02:28:27,802 --> 02:28:31,755
reading something online or when I hear something from you guys

2897
02:28:31,755 --> 02:28:32,255
to.

2898
02:28:32,255 --> 02:28:34,562
And I wish that weren't the case.

2899
02:28:34,562 --> 02:28:37,335
I wish it wasn't that.

2900
02:28:37,335 --> 02:28:39,340
Supervisor chairman Joel.

2901
02:28:39,340 --> 02:28:42,902
That when we said about the data center and the proposal,

2902
02:28:42,902 --> 02:28:46,315
making it airtight that at the very end you said for now.

2903
02:28:46,315 --> 02:28:48,298
And it shouldn't matter to me.

2904
02:28:48,298 --> 02:28:51,362
We should know that when you say it's airtight it's airtight.

2905
02:28:51,362 --> 02:28:54,842
But I here for now and then I think, what does that mean?

2906
02:28:54,842 --> 02:28:56,732
Does that mean there's a crack?

2907
02:28:56,732 --> 02:28:58,820
Does that mean?

2908
02:28:58,820 --> 02:29:00,196
I want to believe what you say.

2909
02:29:00,196 --> 02:29:02,196
I do.

2910
02:29:03,122 --> 02:29:06,779
But there's a little bit of a doubt there

2911
02:29:06,779 --> 02:29:09,982
and I also want you to know I understand land,

2912
02:29:09,982 --> 02:29:12,722
I understand farming, my husband is a farmer,

2913
02:29:12,722 --> 02:29:16,306
our son came back from college and farms with my husband.

2914
02:29:16,306 --> 02:29:18,172
I understand these issues.

2915
02:29:18,172 --> 02:29:19,890
I understand water issues.

2916
02:29:19,890 --> 02:29:25,890
And I also understand that agriculture in this county, even

2917
02:29:26,438 --> 02:29:29,222
though one of you have said is a huge user of water

2918
02:29:29,222 --> 02:29:33,722
for the irrigation, we are largely a road crop county.

2919
02:29:33,722 --> 02:29:36,797
And with our geography, there really

2920
02:29:36,797 --> 02:29:38,266
isn't any irrigation there.

2921
02:29:38,266 --> 02:29:44,493
And when AG does irrigate, it goes back into the ground.

2922
02:29:44,493 --> 02:29:44,993
Right?

2923
02:29:44,993 --> 02:29:48,986
That's a big difference than what data centers do.

2924
02:29:48,986 --> 02:29:52,628
So anyway, those are just a collection of thoughts

2925
02:29:52,628 --> 02:29:54,331
that I wanted to make sure I got out.

2926
02:29:54,331 --> 02:29:55,962
Thank you so much for your time.

2927
02:29:55,962 --> 02:29:58,515
Chairman Jewell: Thank you Ma'am.

2928
02:29:58,515 --> 02:29:59,221
Anybody else?

2929
02:29:59,221 --> 02:30:00,211
All right.

2930
02:30:00,211 --> 02:30:02,611
Board of supervisors comments?

2931
02:30:03,420 --> 02:30:05,442
>> Yes sir Mr. Chairman.

2932
02:30:05,775 --> 02:30:07,579
I'm going to say school has started

2933
02:30:07,579 --> 02:30:10,241
and busses are on the road.

2934
02:30:10,241 --> 02:30:12,241
So pay attention.

2935
02:30:12,562 --> 02:30:17,868
Our kids are our future and just go slow and don't

2936
02:30:17,868 --> 02:30:19,252
pass the school busses.

2937
02:30:19,252 --> 02:30:22,890
Also, everybody talks about speeding and blowing

2938
02:30:22,890 --> 02:30:25,634
stop signs and lights and all that kind of thing.

2939
02:30:25,634 --> 02:30:29,108
This group in here maybe I'm talking to the choir but let's

2940
02:30:29,108 --> 02:30:32,595
do the best we possibly can to obey all the traffic

2941
02:30:32,595 --> 02:30:38,539
signs and all the red lights and so forth and I note you look up

2942
02:30:38,539 --> 02:30:41,165
and you say I think I can make that but maybe we just

2943
02:30:41,165 --> 02:30:41,915
slow a little bit.

2944
02:30:41,915 --> 02:30:43,242
That would be a big help.

2945
02:30:43,242 --> 02:30:45,210
But basically school has started and we

2946
02:30:45,210 --> 02:30:47,526
have kids waiting at school bus stops

2947
02:30:47,526 --> 02:30:49,234
and crossing the road so be very careful.

2948
02:30:49,234 --> 02:30:51,634
Thank you very much.

2949
02:30:52,242 --> 02:30:56,442
Chairman Jewell: Thank you sir supervisor Oates.

2950
02:30:56,562 --> 02:30:58,880
Supervisor Oates: Probably when you

2951
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:00,545
said for now that's because the state changes the rules.

2952
02:31:00,545 --> 02:31:03,362
They change it a lot.

2953
02:31:03,362 --> 02:31:06,223
Just like local counties got rid of distilleries and that type

2954
02:31:06,223 --> 02:31:07,306
of thing and the counties.

2955
02:31:07,306 --> 02:31:10,525
The state came back and said no you have to do it now.

2956
02:31:10,525 --> 02:31:15,990
One being built in my district that county has no say over.

2957
02:31:15,990 --> 02:31:19,295
They get to be that permit they get the Virginia health permit

2958
02:31:19,295 --> 02:31:23,528
Virginia license, so the state can take the power away

2959
02:31:23,528 --> 02:31:24,768
from us real quick.

2960
02:31:24,768 --> 02:31:27,748
So we're doing what we can.

2961
02:31:27,748 --> 02:31:32,242
But again, keep in mind the state they call the shots.

2962
02:31:32,242 --> 02:31:34,674
If they come back and say every locality,

2963
02:31:34,674 --> 02:31:38,500
just like you saw tonight about different types of housing

2964
02:31:38,500 --> 02:31:39,620
and different lots.

2965
02:31:39,620 --> 02:31:42,682
Every locality has to have this in their ordinance.

2966
02:31:42,682 --> 02:31:45,280
If they tell us we have to have it

2967
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:47,225
in the data center in the ordinance,

2968
02:31:47,225 --> 02:31:48,965
we're going to have to put it back

2969
02:31:48,965 --> 02:31:50,132
in because that's state law.

2970
02:31:50,132 --> 02:31:51,495
We have no choice.

2971
02:31:51,495 --> 02:31:54,262
So that's the for now.

2972
02:31:54,262 --> 02:31:57,200
The second thing is, what was brought up

2973
02:31:57,200 --> 02:31:58,542
about the energy corridor.

2974
02:31:58,542 --> 02:32:00,434
For the transmission lines.

2975
02:32:00,434 --> 02:32:05,234
I guess Mr. Bishop, since that was something

2976
02:32:05,258 --> 02:32:07,548
we needed to look at the Comp plan

2977
02:32:07,548 --> 02:32:09,138
it sounds like it's time sensitive is

2978
02:32:09,138 --> 02:32:10,832
this something we can pull off?

2979
02:32:10,832 --> 02:32:14,322
Or is this, where are we at with this?

2980
02:32:14,322 --> 02:32:17,864
>> Frankly ideally you would do it as part of your normal update

2981
02:32:17,864 --> 02:32:20,322
as something that was already discussed at the work session

2982
02:32:20,322 --> 02:32:21,282
within that scope.

2983
02:32:21,282 --> 02:32:23,820
If you're trying to do something the board

2984
02:32:23,820 --> 02:32:24,810
wants to direct us to do something sooner

2985
02:32:24,810 --> 02:32:27,286
you'll have to follow your normal public hearing

2986
02:32:27,286 --> 02:32:29,328
requirements and that sort of thing and of course

2987
02:32:29,328 --> 02:32:32,532
give us the time to actually draft it.

2988
02:32:32,532 --> 02:32:35,898
It's probably the primary example nearby example anyway.

2989
02:32:35,898 --> 02:32:40,820
Of a locality that's done that and while there's,

2990
02:32:40,820 --> 02:32:45,386
devil's in the details the general guidance in there

2991
02:32:45,386 --> 02:32:47,522
is that they're trying to keep them

2992
02:32:47,522 --> 02:32:49,362
within the existing corridors.

2993
02:32:49,362 --> 02:32:52,182
Definitely more detail to it than that.

2994
02:32:52,182 --> 02:32:55,920
But I wouldn't expect a recommendation

2995
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:58,175
much different from that from us unless you

2996
02:32:58,175 --> 02:33:02,322
want to start an entire another data center and power line

2997
02:33:02,322 --> 02:33:05,562
discussion that could stretch out endlessly.

2998
02:33:05,562 --> 02:33:08,362
So that's a long answer.

2999
02:33:08,362 --> 02:33:11,562
But to answer your direct question

3000
02:33:11,562 --> 02:33:14,485
of if we can modify your comprehensive plan and a quicker

3001
02:33:14,485 --> 02:33:16,735
order than what we're currently doing with the update,

3002
02:33:16,735 --> 02:33:18,862
yes we can we just need to go ahead

3003
02:33:18,862 --> 02:33:20,242
and put it in the schedule.

3004
02:33:20,242 --> 02:33:22,504
Supervisor Oates: I would prefer we

3005
02:33:22,504 --> 02:33:23,962
take a look at that have our county

3006
02:33:23,962 --> 02:33:25,754
attorney our new attorneys assigned on

3007
02:33:25,754 --> 02:33:28,326
and staff take a look and see if that's something we

3008
02:33:28,326 --> 02:33:30,820
can get done before November.

3009
02:33:30,820 --> 02:33:32,820
Strengthens (Indistinct).

3010
02:33:34,410 --> 02:33:36,810
That's all I have.

3011
02:33:37,322 --> 02:33:42,122
Chairman Jewell: Anybody >> I would move we adjourn.

3012
02:33:45,122 --> 02:33:48,122
Chairman Jewell: We are adjourned.

3013
02:33:52,216 --> 02:33:54,216
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