1 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to your economic prosperity and growth planning committee, open meeting for Thursday, January 29, 2026, welcome to all the committee members and other folks, 2 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:11,000 joining us in chambers, and I'd like to acknowledge the folks joining us online, as well as committee members, counselors, brain, Peters, and counselor hex. 3 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Does anyone have a conflict of interest to declare if any of the matters before us today? 4 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Seeing none and seeing none online, we're going to get rid into the agenda. It's a busy, exciting agenda today. 5 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Item 4.1 is our first item. We have Melissa Tang Choi, planner with the city to deliver our 2025 year and development activity numbers. 6 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As the committee might have noticed, I'm not Frederick. We usually does this presentation and we're not in the last five minutes of the meeting. So happy about that. 7 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:59,000 It's a new year, so on behalf of the planning and development department, happy to share with a committee, the end of year, development numbers for 2025, with more than five minutes in the agenda. 8 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:12,000 So before starting the presentation, I wanted to acknowledge that a lot of the work happens behind the scenes, pulling all of these data together, so big shout out to Alicia Brown, Mark McKay and Felix McCarthy for that. 9 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:25,000 I'm trying to turn, and I can't. So starting with some exceptional use for 2025 for the fifth year in the row. 10 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:33,000 We have had another record year of construction value in Fredrickson at $359.4 million. 11 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:41,000 The city did not see any major governmental or institutional projects this past year, but as we'll see through the presentation, 12 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:47,000 25 was characterized by private sector investment through significant multi-racidential developments. 13 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:57,000 So we'll start our presentation today with our non-racidential construction numbers, and then we'll move on to our residential numbers. 14 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:03,000 So construction in our commercial sector remains strong at almost $45 million. 15 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:15,000 This is 25% above the 10-year average, and it's a reflection of the continued investments being made in the city as an employment center. 16 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Moving to government and institutional construction, this unfortunately has not followed the same exceptional use that we've just seen, 17 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:33,000 compares into the landmark investments in 2024 government and institutional construction in 2025, so one of its lowest years with no major projects taking place. 18 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:48,000 This represents it only 3% of a total construction value, so that's $11.4 million from the total $359.4 million that we have in total. 19 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Looking at our non-racidential building permanent activity and the map of where that's been located. 20 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:05,000 We continue to see significant investments in the urban core, as well as our commercial center corridors, with major developments taking place on prospect and the bishop drive areas. 21 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:15,000 We're also seeing a bit more movement in our industrial business industrial sector, which continues to develop and grow. 22 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Now we're moving to our residential activity, so 2025 has truly been a landmark year for the residential sector with almost $297 million in residential construction value. 23 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,000 This is almost equivalent to the total value of residential construction for the past two years combined. 24 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:45,000 So 2025's residential activity represented over 82% of the total development value in Frederton, which is the highest residential activity in the province. 25 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Moving to our single detached starts, so once again 25 saw the number of single new single detached buildings. 26 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:10,000 It's been above 100 homes, which has only happened three times in the past 10 years. So this tells us that there's still a market for new single detached dwellings and our development communities still responding to this need. 27 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Whereas last year we saw decreasing the average value of single detached dwellings, 2025 saw that number increased again by about 3%. 28 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:29,000 So this roughly follows inflationary pressures. However, this also has meant that new single detached dwellings are now costing more than $364,000 to build. 29 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,000 And this is without taking into account other costs like land. 30 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:52,000 So this translates to a higher price in the resale market. As we saw in the housing needs assessment last year, it has resulted in smaller proportions of the population of various income levels being able to access the housing ownership market. 31 00:06:52,000 --> 00:07:02,000 With respect to subdivision activity, the number of new building lots continues to surpass our 10 year average at 175 new lots created in 2025. 32 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:11,000 This tells us that there's still a strong market for development in the city and the development community still responding to this demand. 33 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:19,000 On the resale market, this is the first time that the average resale price has been above $400,000. 34 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:39,000 And this represents about a 10% increase when compared to 2024 average prices. So the messaging from the Fredrickton real estate board continues to be that the challenges are around limited supply given the very strong demand which pushes the prices up. 35 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:57,000 At a regional level, we're going to be looking into the next two slides for this. So in the single detached housing market, Fredrickton capture 35% of the regional market, which has been relatively stable for the past 10 years. 36 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:05,000 And for the overall total housing market for the region, Fredrickton capture 88% of the total housing market, which is an old time high. 37 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:18,000 This is a reflection of the amount of multi-residential starts and the specification that we have in the city and the Fredrickton continues to be a place where people choose to live in. 38 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Our multi unit starts, a residential construction in 2025 was primarily driven by multi unit developments, which saw a record breaking 1,406 units being permitted. 39 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 And this represented almost 90% of the total housing starts in 2025. 40 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:48,000 As a reminder to the committee, multi unit starts to include anything from a secondary building unit, a semi detached house, a town house in the apartment buildings. 41 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:57,000 So overall Fredrickton has led the province by issue in building permits for 1564 new housing units in 2025. 42 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:09,000 This is the first time that the city has actually reached the permitting of more than 1,000 units in a year. 43 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Development activities being driven by a number of large scale multi residential projects, particularly in the 6th to 10th story range, which has significant density. 44 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:31,000 This project, this residential projects help improve the overall supply of housing and showcase how our development community continues to respond to the city's rapid growing population. 45 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:42,000 As a note of interest to the committee, we've been talking about building permits, but we're also doing really well in housing starts, so in shovels on the ground. 46 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:53,000 So statistics can that I recently released some numbers, and we're second in the country in terms of how much the person didn't change that we had from last year. 47 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:00,000 So we're second in the country, compared to last year we've built like much more, we actually have more shovels on the ground this year. 48 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:11,000 And as you'll see shortly, this major residential developments in the city are happening in the areas that we've planned for are designated growth nodes. 49 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:23,000 So we're continue to analyze our housing starts in relation to the municipal plan and the growth strategy for 2025 we had 77% of our development within the designated growth areas. 50 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:34,000 So a couple of highlights from the map is that the distribution of residential development is similarly distributed amongst 304 new neighborhoods areas, as well as the urban core. 51 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:40,000 And the housing stars are similarly split between the south side and the north side of the city. 52 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:48,000 So I'm going to start wrapping up this presentation by summarizing 2025 in the next three slides. 53 00:10:48,000 --> 00:11:03,000 And we have seen that development activity has reached an all-time high with 359.4 million dollars in construction value, and with 97% of this development being from the private sector. 54 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:12,000 In institutional construction, only made up 3% of our total construction values. So for a bit of perspective and see how other municipalities are doing. 55 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Monksons government and institutional investments represented 42% of their construction value in 2025, so that translated to 211 million dollars whereas we only had 11.4 million. 56 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,000 And that part of Monksons construction included upgrades to the health care facilities. 57 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:46,000 So residential construction in Friday 10 again reached an all-time high $297 million in construction value and over 1500 units have been permitted in 2025 with almost 90% of the construction in the form of multi residential units. 58 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:54,000 And again 77% of the units were located in the designated growth areas in the urban core as well as the new neighborhoods. 59 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:04,000 So the northwest and northeast east and the southwest produced units and the uptown area had zero units created. 60 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Looking at our population and employment in the past year, our development activity, as we all know, it's spurred by our growing population, which continues to be strong. 61 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:24,000 In 2025, the city of Friday 10 had approximately 79,000 residents, which is an increase of more than 2% compared to last year. 62 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:34,000 So this continues to be beyond the number in the growth strategy that the growth strategy had envisioned, which had only seen a thousand new residents per year. 63 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:41,000 From a regional perspective, population growth in Friday 10 represents 82% of the regional population growth. 64 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Demonstrating that the city continues to be the hub for the region as an attractive place for people to live working play. 65 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Employment continues to be strong within employment rate remaining below the provincial rate, 6.3%. 66 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,000 And an increase in the number of people in play will compare to last year. 67 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:12,000 So lastly, looking at additional housing numbers, the amount of development activity in the past few years is already having an impact in our housing numbers. 68 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:25,000 So recent data from the Canadian mortgage and housing cooperation, CMHC, has shown that Friday 10's vacancy rate has increased from 0.9% in 2024 to 2.5% in 2025. 69 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,000 So reminder to the committee, a healthy vacancy rate is considered to be between 3 and 5%. 70 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,000 And we'll wear very well in her way to this range. 71 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Rent however, as we can see, half continued to increase, with a median rent seeing an increase of almost 6% from last year. 72 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:51,000 This can be attributed to the amount of new construction that we've had, which tends to be more expensive. 73 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Though this does not preclude the need for still more affordable housing options. 74 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 So this leads us to the topic of affordable housing units. 75 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:05,000 There are a few disclaimers on the numbers that you are seeing on the screen. 76 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:16,000 112 units is a number of affordable units that the city has been able to track through the housing accelerator fund and through public housing projects. 77 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,000 And we've tracked it through the disbursement of the half funds. 78 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:27,000 So this means that there might be more affordable units that are being created with another provincial or federal funding. 79 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:34,000 But that's not being communicated to the city or there might be some projects that are still waiting for confirmation of funding. 80 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,000 So that number is the minimum 112 affordable units. 81 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,000 It's the minimum that we know that have been created for sure in the city. 82 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:51,000 So referring back to our most recent housing needs assessment and where we're at in terms of affordable housing units. 83 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:59,000 The housing needs assessment projected that 6,000 and 10 affordable units would need to be built in order to meet the amount in 2024. 84 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,760 So that roughly translates to about 300 affordable units per year. The last set of numbers that I wanted to leave 85 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,880 the committee with is that it's also from a housing needs assessment, and we're at with the overall 86 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:20,080 projected demand. So in order to meet the projected demand in 244, there were need to be a construction 87 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:26,000 average of 1,000 units per year. This would mean to continue to build in a similar pace that we have 88 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:32,000 for the past five years, which has been outstanding, but we also need to be able to develop this 89 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,720 in a sustainable way, and we also need to recognize the cyclical nature of the development. 90 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,000 So in closing, 2025 has been another record sitting year with significant 91 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,760 private sector investments, and for it is in leaving the province and housing units starts. 92 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,440 And with that, Mr. Chair, I would have be happy to take any questions. 93 00:15:50,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Thank you, Melissa. It must be so nice to sit up there with less than five minutes, and to deliver such great news, 94 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:07,280 and you did a great job. I'd like to really acknowledge the private sector for showing up and our non-profit 95 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:16,240 developers as well. If you'd note in the affordable housing units, 91, deeply affordable units are so needed, 96 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:22,240 if you reflect back on the housing needs assessment. So there's a lot of good news everywhere in here, 97 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:29,360 even the increase in the vacancy rate is really good news to bring some tenant choice back into the market. 98 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:36,720 I also think it's important to acknowledge council, but particularly staff in the planning and development 99 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,400 department and the engineering department. None of this happens without them taking on a huge workload 100 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,440 and delivering for the developers and our community, record-setting development, 101 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,600 strains, all our systems, and it's incredible the amount that they've shown up. So hats off to them, 102 00:16:53,600 --> 00:17:01,600 and I'm open to questions from the committee. Yes, Councillor McGarrett. 103 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Look, great report. We're growing, and I think it's the community and the developers that are 104 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:16,320 pushing those great numbers and we're doing it ourselves. I don't think we get as much health as other communities 105 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:23,200 are from the other levels of government. And what really bothers me is it is on the affordable housing. 106 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:29,520 They're pushing us, pushing us in this field, but they don't want to communicate their numbers to us. 107 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:35,840 I have a fundamental problem with that, so I think we should work on that, get those numbers. 108 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,360 If they want us to be partners and treat us like partners, but all in all, this is a great report. 109 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,000 We're going definitely in the right direction. Thank you. 110 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Thank you, Councillor McGarrett. Councillor Erksson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much, 111 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Melissa, for the report. I guess what I can't see inside the kind of aggregated numbers is I can't 112 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:05,520 really get a feeling for how much of the capacity of the private sector development community is 113 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:11,520 being used in this effort. You know, epic lift. Are they tired? Are they tax? Are they going to keep 114 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:18,880 developing at this pace? So maybe we can have a conversation about that at some point, 115 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,720 because that's really curious about how we lean into more incentives to create more development 116 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:31,520 through these private sector folks, or are we at a point where we can take our hands off the wheel for that? 117 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Through you, Mr. Chairman, I think that would be a good conversation to have around this table. 118 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,480 At some point in time, I think just very quickly for the purposes of today's conversation, 119 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,160 I'd say we're very lucky in Fredericks and that we have a vibrant private sector and not for 120 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,200 profit development community that was existing and was able to move from a background average 121 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:02,640 of about 300,000 starts a year before COVID to now 1500,000 starts in one year. So the fact that we were 122 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:09,280 able to kind of increase our development activity on the residential side five times relatively seamlessly 123 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:17,280 is a testament to the capacity of this community to do things. I think they certainly are their busy, 124 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,280 but I think they probably would tell you they like to be busy. I think that's good for them. 125 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:28,080 But I think as a community we do need to continue to invest emphasis on the further development of the 126 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:36,000 not for profit, co-op and public housing sectors. And so a lot of the areas where we need progress 127 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,480 on the housing side are well suited to those sectors. And I think housing accelerator fund and some 128 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:48,800 of the city's housing program are trying to develop that capacity. We need to really keep our eye on that 129 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:54,480 and try and find ways to work with our partners to continue to enhance that sector. So that would be the 130 00:19:54,480 --> 00:20:03,200 one thing, I think in particular we want to put an emphasis on. Anyone else? Mayor Rogers? 131 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:10,160 Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for sharing these numbers. They're quite phenomenal. I mean, 132 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:16,320 when you look over double from last year, I can't imagine how busy planned the planning department 133 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:21,440 engineering department to your point in the chair. There's a lot to digest here. There's a lot that could be said. 134 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:27,440 I think the thing that strikes me most is when you see numbers like this and you see this level of 135 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,520 development activity, you know what it means for us as a city and for our budget, but we're also aware of the 136 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:39,120 economic impact that it's having provenientially. There's a lot of GST that's being paid on this stuff, right? 137 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:45,200 on both these services and these goods. And the province is doing very well off the development 138 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:51,280 that's happening here in Frederickton. And I would like to see that return to us in the form of some 139 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:59,120 of what we need, doctors. Maybe improvements at the hospital. Maybe, you know, schools were starting to see 140 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:04,560 some schools built. We need more schools. You know, there's a lot of provincial response that now needs 141 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,520 to come from the investment that's being made here that's benefiting the province and we need to see that come 142 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:16,400 back to us and also just in the building. Like I look, people often think other communities when they look at us, 143 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,600 they think, oh, Frederickton's got it made. It's the seed of the provincial government. And I think what we're seeing 144 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:27,280 is that doesn't always work in our favor that we're seeing a public investment in other communities 145 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:34,880 definitely outstripping investment here. So lots of lots of information, lots of data to inform, 146 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,320 I think, our interactions with our partners and other orders of government and demonstrating the impact 147 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,560 that we're making locally and then what impact that is having provenientially. So that will certainly 148 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:51,360 inform some of my discussions. Also, when we look at the regional numbers and we see the 88 percent, 149 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:55,760 I think we need to be having some discussions at the regional service commission table to make sure 150 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,880 that our voice at that table is reflective of this number of people that are living in the city. 151 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,480 And then finally, I would like to just to talk about the affordable housing stuff. I'm really glad 152 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:16,720 that you pointed out can, you know, the work that's being done at the nonprofit level to provide 153 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,120 some of this housing and how they've been trying to scale up and how we used our housing accelerator 154 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:26,400 funding to make that possible to sort of incentivize the kind of housing that we need. 155 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,000 Another way to incentivize that that might have impact, not just nonprofit, but particularly in the 156 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:38,640 private sector, is stuff that can be done through taxation. And we're going through tax reform stuff right now 157 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,840 and if we look to other provinces, we see how they have used their tax systems to incentivize 158 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:51,120 affordable housing development and to me now would be the opportunity to be influencing those 159 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,760 conversations and saying why don't we start looking at that? So it wouldn't be, can't do it on our own. 160 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,240 We need to be obviously working with our provincial partners but to get, look, we got a long way to go to 161 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,600 get to those numbers in affordable housing and our nonprofit sector, I know will step up to the best of their 162 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,720 ability and I know that the province through housing and be is also trying to be helpful through the 163 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,680 build Canada housing fund and like people they're working away but there's a missed opportunity 164 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,080 in the tax system. I think we could also try to get to it there. So I'll just leave it at that. 165 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,760 There's so much that could be said, but biggest thanks I think goes to our development community 166 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:31,360 can spoke to how they've stepped up more than doubled. The thing is there's not that many more 167 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:36,640 players in that private sector development community. It's just, it's just that community recognizing 168 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:43,440 the need in responding and we very appreciative and we need more in single-to-touch homes because 169 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:51,600 it's cost too much for folks to get into that market. So anyways that's all I'll see for now. 170 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,240 Okay, well thanks everybody. Thanks Melissa for your presentation and bringing such good news. 171 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:05,280 We'll move forward into item 4.2 is our secondary dwelling unit activity 172 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:13,120 2025 summary. Our cello by Delana. The floor is yours my friend. Thank you Mr. Chairman. 173 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:23,440 If only I could talk as fast as Melissa. I just can't. So as part of the four union amendments that 174 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:30,400 were adopted last April City Council directed staff to prepare a report on the overall development 175 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,400 activity surrounding secondary development units. As this committee is well aware, 176 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,200 the four units amendments were part of the city's obligation under CMHC's Housing Accelerator Fund 177 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,520 or half, which is further detailed in the report. But from a background perspective, 178 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:57,200 I would just like to say that the city's approach to four units was unique. We created a made in 179 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:05,280 Frederickton Approach, which emphasized and placed a lot of emphasis on preserving our residential 180 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:11,760 neighborhoods by allowing four units primarily through the conversion of existing structures 181 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:21,200 with some options for the rear yard, which would be above the garages or the unit in the backyard. 182 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:29,440 So we know that we wanted to go down the road of having the four units done in a way that would be 183 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:36,800 gentle to the community and not something that would see a lot of tear downs, not a lot of demolitions. 184 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:43,280 So that was their approach that we took. So now we'll just turn your attention to the screen. 185 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:52,640 One of the first questions that we had to answer for for council was how many, how many S to use were created. 186 00:25:52,640 --> 00:26:03,440 So that number is 34. So all of 2025 last year we had 34. So of those we further broke down that number. 187 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:16,720 So we had 33, which were second units and we only had one third unit and zero, zero, four units as of right now. 188 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:24,240 The second question that council had was related to S to use by type. So as you can see on the screen 189 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:35,280 so accessory apartment units we had eight garage units we had one basement apartments we had 25 190 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:43,520 and with garden apartments we didn't we didn't have any. So I just wanted to just touch upon accessory apartment units. 191 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:53,680 So accessory apartment units can are above grade and they can also include additions to to the property typically in the back as you can see 192 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:02,640 from the diagram. Another question that was part of our report was out of the 34 S to use that we're created. 193 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:14,960 32, sorry, 30 were created by conversion. And of that there was only four that were created by adding new four area. 194 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:25,920 So additions to the four print of the building we only had had four. This when you look at those numbers this is essentially the most 195 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:32,720 cost effective way, which is why we see the majority of them happening in basements and not a whole lot happening with the additions. 196 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,400 Another question was ownership status. So you can see on the screen. 197 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:50,560 We had overall owner occupied properties was 21 and not owner occupied properties was 13. 198 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:59,520 And just just a reminder there for the committee. So it's important to note that we only require owner 199 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:08,800 occupancy information when you're when you're at the third and fourth unit. So that is that is how those amendments were structured. 200 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:18,160 The other item that we wanted to bring forward was with respect to by law enforcement. 201 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Council want to know if any was there any impacts from the public perspective and using our by law enforcement officers. 202 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:37,600 They reported back that they were not. So there was no information that that they could clean that was specific to the amendments that we made. 203 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:56,000 When you take a look at all of the numbers in in kind of the conclusion, we have a almost 75% of our STU's were basements of apartments and the majority of those created were through conversion of the existing four space. 204 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:04,640 So this follows the typical pattern for STU's because it remains the most cost effective option that takes advantage of the existing four space. 205 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:14,320 Just by example of those numbers we did a quick analysis and the basements apartment typically cost $35,000. 206 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:28,960 Then when you when you add above grade, above grade additions to the existing structure is typically around 58,000, but as soon as you introduce an addition to that, it's about 110,000. 207 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:40,320 So substantially more expensive. So that's why the numbers are telling us that the communities responding, but they're responding to just having it in the structure and in the basements. 208 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:52,480 The other item that we were to report on was with respect to the the words. So as you can see on the screen, there's a word breakdown. 209 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,920 It there really isn't any concentration. The only real concentration. 210 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Was in ward 6 with 6, but apart from that, it was primarily all over the city with no wheels pattern that you would normally attribute. 211 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Initially from a staff respect, we have thought that ward 11 would receive a lot more, but in this case, they were just all over the city, so that's good to see. 212 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,000 In the end, one of the last comments was an assessment from staff. 213 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:46,000 So staff believe that the standards in place allow for general density to be introduced, in a matter that maintains the appearance of the residential character, 214 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:53,000 with the primary form being in the basement and primarily being on our occupied. 215 00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:10,000 Nonetheless, we have to keep in mind that this is just the first year, and it's a relatively small sample size, so we will be reporting on this again, because parts of those amendments said that we had to continue to report into 2027. 216 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:18,000 So the only other item I would mention is working with staff on a particular. 217 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:35,000 We now have new content on our website that people can take a look at and it helps them understand what we mean by us to use, there's definitions there, and it also aligns the process in order to do us to use. 218 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,000 So with that Mr. Chairman, I would be happy to answer any questions. 219 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Thank you, Marcello, that was very granular look at what was probably exceedingly gentle development primarily in basement sweets, which were kind of generally permitted before the four unit amendment. 220 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,000 I'd just like to speak to the one third unit because I have intimate knowledge of it. 221 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:21,000 It was a homeowner who needed to provide extended care to some family members, due to some personal issues, and it gave them a great avenue to build the second and the third unit onto an existing home, so that they could provide extended care, which is I know one of the things that was a topic of discussion around this. 222 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:42,000 So I think just to ground that a little bit more in that some of those owner occupied units may be to offset income or provide more housing supply or create more affordability, but also there's some genuine people behind these things were gave a family and opportunity to provide extended care to two other family members. 223 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,000 Any questions from the committee from our cello? Councillor Aerson. 224 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 225 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Thank you very much for this report. 226 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000 I appreciate the granularity of it all. 227 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:06,000 I want to make a suggestion, however, that might be best accomplished at the end of the three reports that get produced, so this might be advice for the coming council to consider. 228 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:21,000 But one of the concerns brought to council when we were debating the four-by-right thing was going to be the reduction in property values of adjacent homes and neighborhoods based on these kind of things. 229 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:35,000 And I think if we do get into a position where we have enough data to do a kind of assessment of the impact of this addition, you know, in these areas, we might have enough data to see. 230 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,000 If it impacted negatively or positively homesales in the area. 231 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Because I think that, plus the bullet points, you know, that you responded to in the administrative report are, you know, the sum total of concerns that were brought to us. 232 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:57,000 But there is that one missing piece about, you know, has this affected my neighborhood's property values or my property values repeats and I do think we. 233 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:06,000 The community attempt to circle back and demonstrate that it does or it doesn't based on what the data tells us. 234 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Sure, you were sure we could certainly take a look at that in the next round. 235 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Okay, thank you, Councillor Ericsson. 236 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 May Rogers. 237 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 238 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000 So it's really compelling data. 239 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000 And I like the granularity of it as well. 240 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,000 I really, I want to congratulate staff for the approach that they took. 241 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Our planning staff took this. 242 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 It was gentle, densification. 243 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Very sensitive to the concerns that residents raised. 244 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000 Really like the approach. 245 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,000 And even this is what was presented and it was explained to our residents. 246 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000 But there were still who insisted on fear mongering. 247 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:52,000 And I think that this demonstrates this data demonstrates that the world didn't come to an end. 248 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 It has literally just been gentle densification. 249 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:04,000 And I think it's a lesson to all of us that when you put best practice in place and you're very thoughtful in your policy development. 250 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,000 You can trust the projections like these were the projections that this would be gentle. 251 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 And we need to trust data. 252 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000 We need to trust information. 253 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,000 We need to trust informed projections when we're making a decision. 254 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:26,000 And I, so I'm glad that we now have this evidence to demonstrate that what was explained to us, 255 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:32,000 what was factored in when this was designed that has been the outcome. 256 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000 So I just, this is very, it's very helpful to us. 257 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:42,000 And I hope that it's, it's helpful to all of us as decision makers to remember to trust the data, 258 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,000 trust the information, trust the expert voice that's informing us. 259 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000 So thank you. 260 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Thank you, Mayor Rogers and Councillor McGearty. 261 00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Look, it's, it's, this wasn't the, as explained to us, the savior of development, 262 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,000 every city in town and village across Canada. 263 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,000 It's a slow, slow burn and, and maybe it will work out. 264 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000 But we only see the, the tip of this. 265 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:21,000 And we, what alarms me is, you know, there's 13 non-one occupying properties. 266 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,000 And if that's a trend that maybe next year, those numbers will be flipped. 267 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 That could become a problem. 268 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000 If, if the owners aren't really there. 269 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,000 People living there, they don't have the same attachment to the property as well if you own it. 270 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000 So hopefully things will work out. 271 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Let's be positive about it. 272 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,000 But let's give it some time before we, we put the seal of approval on this. 273 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000 You know, when the federal government came to us and threatened us, basically saying, 274 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 we get to do this to your zoning. 275 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000 We're not going to get your 50, 60 million dollars. 276 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Which I haven't seen at money yet, many, any agreements. 277 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000 That's nice to see if we, we, we held up our end of the bargain. 278 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,000 Let's see what the federal government will do with their end of the bargain. 279 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Right now, I haven't seen any agreements. 280 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,000 So look, it's, it's, it's, it's starting to flow. 281 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000 It's not the miracle that everybody thought it would be. 282 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Give it, give it time. We'll, we'll see it where it goes. 283 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000 Thank you. 284 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000 Mayor Rogers. 285 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Thank you. I think just point of clarification on that. 286 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,000 We have received the federal housing accelerated. 287 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000 I don't believe we've received all of it. 288 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 It's been coming to us in chunks, but we have received that funding. 289 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 And this was only ever intended to be gentle densification anyways. 290 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000 So nobody was looking this to be the pancy of solution. 291 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:46,000 But can can you please clarify if we've received any of the federal housing funding that was committed? 292 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Yeah, through you Mr. Chairman, I think everybody's right in this, in this situation. 293 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,000 So this was a condition of that we needed to satisfy to get all of our housing accelerator money. 294 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,000 So we met the condition and we have been getting the funding. 295 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:08,000 What we also understood, though, and I think, to Councillor McGarrett's point is that this was a precondition for consideration of future funding from the federal government, 296 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,000 which at the time was thought to be chiff the Canadian Housing Infrastructure Fund, 297 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,000 and then funds that may follow. And I think we've seen some signs of progress on some of those funding applications. 298 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000 But I think we would all hope based on Melissa's presentation a few minutes ago to see many more announcements, 299 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,000 because the housing infrastructure piece is a big deal for this community going forward to be able to meet our growth needs. 300 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:41,000 So I think we've met, you know, we have seen some funding, but we would hope to see more based on the terms of engagement that we kind of entered into. 301 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,000 Thank you, Ken. Isn't it great one? We're both right. 302 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:53,000 Thanks, Marcello, for your presentation, and we will move forward with item 4.3. 303 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,000 It is the draft for the new Heritage Conservation Area Biola. 304 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000 Ken's going to tee it up and then we're going to bring us through it. 305 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000 Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to try and keep us on schedule, I'll be quite brief. 306 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:19,000 I just wanted to remind Council that in late 2023, you adopted Heritage Program and Services Review that put some renewed emphasis on the Heritage Program of the City of Frederickton. 307 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:32,000 Council adopted an implementation plan that came out of that review, and I want to take a moment just to express my appreciation for the work that the preservation review board, 308 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:38,000 and our staff have done to advance the recommendations that were in the review and in the implementation plan. 309 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:49,000 And we've made some tangible progress on a number of items. So we've already made progress on things like staffing and designating municipal owned properties and the digital library. 310 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 So we've made tangible progress on a number of items. 311 00:39:53,000 --> 00:40:07,000 And today is the beginnings of delivering on another item, which is making sure that we have a new Heritage Conservation Biola and then design supporting design guidelines to support our efforts going forward. 312 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:17,000 So I'll turn it over to Laura. I just wanted you to know that both the board and staff have been busy advancing the things that were you directed us to do. 313 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,000 The progress is being made in today's another step along that along that road to over to Laura. 314 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,000 Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you Ken for that wonderful introduction. 315 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Good afternoon everyone. I'm going to dive right into it. 316 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:44,000 Biola number L-3 the City of Frederickton Heritage Biola from 2005 was adopted under the Municipal Heritage Preservation Act of 1978, which was repealed and replaced by the New Brunswick Heritage Conservation Act in 2010. 317 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,000 And it's effective with respect to all properties, buildings and structures within St. Anne's Point Heritage Preservation Area. 318 00:40:50,000 --> 00:41:03,000 L-4 establishes the regulatory framework for all exterior alterations within the St. Anne's Point Preservation Area, provides authority for the issuance of certificates of appropriateness and outlines the duties and responsibilities of the Heritage Offer Officer to mention a few. 319 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Since it's adoption, there have been changes to provincial legislation, as well as evolving breast practices in Heritage Conservation, making it desirable to prepare a new Biola. 320 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:22,000 Following the repeal of the Municipal Heritage Preservation Act, the enactment of the Heritage Conservation Act and the adoption of the Heritage Programming Services Review in 2023. 321 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:30,000 Staff are drafting a new Heritage Conservation Biola to replace L-4 to align municipal policy with the current Act and best practices. 322 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:42,000 The draft Biola will also update terminology to reflect that used in the Heritage Conservation Act and will introduce things such as provisions related to fencing, abrasive cleaning practices and fluorescent colors. 323 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:54,000 While the original intent was to advance the Heritage Conservation Biola design guidelines together, the preservation review board is requesting the Council proceed with the adoption of the Heritage Conservation Area Biola to the extended timeline associated with the review of the documents. 324 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,000 Once finalized the design guidelines will be advanced to Council for consideration at a later date. 325 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:06,000 Staff are now seeking Council's direction to refer the proposed changes to the city solicitor to draft a new Heritage Conservation Area Biola as further recommendations. 326 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:12,000 And to proceed with the formal adoption process as outlined in the accompanying resolution in a tax draft, a tax draft. 327 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Thank you, and I'm open to any questions. 328 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Thank you, Laura. Are there any questions from the committee? 329 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:34,000 Okay, seeing none, and someone willing to move your recommendation moved by Deputy Mayor Pike and seconded by Councilor McGarity on the question. 330 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000 All those in favor? 331 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000 Contrary minded. 332 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,000 Oceans carry. Thank you so much, Laura. 333 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:57,000 We didn't forget about one item four point four, a planning and heritage analysis of three seven three three seven five four one and four one one university avenue. 334 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000 We have one to deliver that. 335 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:10,000 That was a request from one of our former committee members who doesn't have a name at the table anymore, but Councilor McGarity had brought forward a request for a report on that one. 336 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm very pleased to share the following information as requested on on the planning and and and heritage aspects of the subject properties. 337 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:35,000 Thank you for bringing up the map there. 338 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000 The four subject properties are the Lady B group ring for 11 university. 339 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,000 The big building on the bottom of the screen there. 340 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:52,000 And then three seventy three seventy five university at which is the the oddly shaped parking area. 341 00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:10,000 And then and then four or one university is the the property and green there surrounded by the the the parking lot and then the last at the very top there that thin band of green is three seven three university avenue, which is the water the water production facilities. 342 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:18,000 According to the municipal plan three seven three the water production facility is is part of the established neighborhood area. 343 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:26,000 Generally this designation is is is considered to evolve slowly over time. 344 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:35,000 As we can expect from the water production facility and the other properties are are designated as south core. 345 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:44,000 And in particular the these sites have been identified identified for potential redevelopment intensification. 346 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,000 According to the the recently adopted south core municipal plan. 347 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,000 The the the properties a three seventy five four one and four eleven. 348 00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,000 I've also been I've as pretty minutes of plan have been identified for redevelopment intensification. 349 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,720 As per the adopted design guidelines associated with the secondary of the South Court plan, any redevelopment 350 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:13,200 there would have to be consistent with the design guidelines and the guidelines are very specific 351 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,920 in dealing with the adjacent neighbourhood and appropriately sensitive design and a to any new redevelopment 352 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,080 or infill. One other aspect I want to draw your attention to on the planning side of things is that 353 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:35,120 the South Court plan also envisions just on the edge of the map. There also envisions the re-inaction 354 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:42,720 of the grave from a cloud street to university as a potential future development. In terms of zoning, 355 00:45:42,720 --> 00:46:00,320 the subject properties are our own R3, the parking area and the house there are our three. What's interesting 356 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,520 about them that I want to draw your attention to is that it has a split zoning. The re-apportion is 357 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:12,880 owned as park and the front portion that fronts the university avenue is own residential. 358 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,320 The ladybubre book is owned entirely park, which is appropriate for its current use. 359 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:28,960 As far as the heritage analysis goes, as your awareness to chair, all four properties are in the 360 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:37,600 Sania's point heritage conservation area. They were added in 1997 when the when the area was expanded. 361 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,800 As your aware council has established criteria for engaging the significance of properties, 362 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:52,400 based on that criteria, only four, 11, the university at St. Louis, the babybubre book rink is considered 363 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,720 significant. The other three properties are considered not significant. They don't need the threshold 364 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:07,600 for significance. In addition to these properties being in the heritage area, the ladybubre book for 11 365 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:16,000 university has also, as you're aware, Mr. Chair has also been listed by council on the city's local 366 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,000 store places register, so just to give you an indication that it is a very significant property. 367 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:29,360 And lastly, while not a requirement under the Heritage Conservation Act, council has established 368 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:37,440 not only the evaluation criteria that I mentioned, but also the principle of seeking property owner consent 369 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:50,080 for any change in the status of a designated property. Therefore, if council is to follow 370 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,760 at the establishment practice, it should consider the views of the affected property owners in any 371 00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:02,720 potential amendment to L4. That's all I have, and I'll be happy to answer any questions. 372 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:09,760 Thank you, Juan, for that report. Any questions from the committee? May or others? 373 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,600 Well, I know it's hard. Thanks, Mr. Chair. And I'm tired to ask to get inside the head of someone else, 374 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:24,560 but what was the rationale? I mean, thank you, so thank you Juan for sharing this information. I don't 375 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:30,560 think there's anything really new here for us. So I'm just wondering what we're to do with this information 376 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,960 now that we have it, if there was a purpose. Was there was a request for a staff report? And this 377 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:43,120 is the delivery of that staff report back. I think at the time, if I recall correctly, and Deputy Mayor 378 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:52,480 can correct me if I'm wrong, but the conversation started around the rank itself and the possible reinvestment 379 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,400 into that, I think, Councilor Malay and Councilor Grande had spoken to that, and the opportunity to 380 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:05,920 undertake a staff scoping of that site where some of it was not of use right now, it was parking, 381 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,800 but particularly around the rank, Deputy Mayor. I just want to point a clarification for a 382 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,560 maybe Deputy Mayor Williams, so it was the under, it wasn't with the idea to make modifications to the 383 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,240 rank, right? Was it? Because that, obviously, is protected. So it's more just to do what the property around 384 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,200 the rank to optimize the property around the rank and a good swath of that is on by the University of 385 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,960 New Brunswick, my correct? You are correct. I think the conversation, if I recall correctly again, 386 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,320 was just a little bit of a preface to really understand the significance of the LBR rank, 387 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,360 seeing that it's coming towards end of life and the heritage value of it to bring forward when 388 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:55,440 maybe there is a consideration of our renewal of that rank. So what would be allowed? Anything? Like, 389 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,840 if it's a local historic site, it's protected, right? 390 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,560 Yeah, I think Mr. Chairman, I'll just jump in for a second. I think there was a heat of the moment, 391 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,960 I think, back at that meeting where there was a sudden interest in just what the lay of the land is in 392 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,000 that area. I don't think there was anything specific at the time. I think this is just a report back 393 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,360 to indicate that there is one property with heritage significance. There are other properties nearby that 394 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,240 have some redevelopment potential. I don't think there's absolutely nothing current state in 395 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:33,760 terms of us looking at this area, but it's just information for you to have in your head as discussions, 396 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:40,000 you know, transpire in the future about this. It's just, I think it was something that came from a counselor 397 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,880 at the moment in a meeting and we're just closing the loop on that. So yeah. Yeah. Deputy Mayor? 398 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:54,240 No, you're good. It was about the heritage of the area in general. We remember there was a house 399 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:59,360 that was being questioned, and I think that's what led to this was okay. So let's look at the 400 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:05,280 area and make sure that we're in line. So. Yeah, perfect. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. 401 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:13,520 Seeing no further questions. I'd thank the committee for their time today and all the presenters 402 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:20,160 and I'll show you our afternoon folks. Meetings adjourned.