underway. Were you uh welcome to all
members of the public who are here. We
also welcome Chief our fire chief
Willis. She'll be presenting to us this
evening. Also welcome um Commissioner
Kamalu has joined us this evening. And
let me think I Who's here from the
animal shelter? Here's our animal
shelter presenters. What's your name?
>> Michelle.
>> You're Michelle. Okay, welcome Michelle.
We'll be hearing from her, too. So,
thanks all in attendance and to the
council. Um Mark uh Kotrrell is excused
tonight. He's out of town. So we will
call it to order. This is a regular
meeting of the city c Fruit height city
council. Somebody say genie. Did I miss
something? Uh Tuesday August 18th um 910
South Mountain Road. And um we will
begin with a pledge of allegiance which
I will lead. Then we'll have a prayer or
a thought provided by Gary and then
proceed to roll call. Please join me and
stand.
» Please begin. I pledge algiance to the
flag of the United States of America and
to the republic for which it stands, one
nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you.
Our
dear kind heavenly father, we're
thankful for the opportunity to meet as
a city council and having our residents
come and participate in our meeting. We
ask thee to bless us as we go throughout
our meeting tonight and our agenda that
we will have thy guidance and that we
will have a spirit of uh cooperation and
learning. We ask for thy favors, thy
blessings in the name of thy son Jesus
Christ. statement.
>> Amen.
>> Thank you, Gary. Haley, roll call.
» Um, council member Gary Anderson
>> here.
>> Council member Markell,
>> excused.
>> Um, council member David Hill
>> here.
>> Council member Eileen Moss
>> here.
>> Council member Blake Winslow
>> here.
>> Mayor Jeannie Groberg
>> here. Thank you. Number two is
declaration of conflicts of interest.
Having looked over the agenda, are there
any council members who uh should
declare a conflict of interest this
evening?
Okay, thank you. Seeing none, we'll go
to reports. Council reports. Let's um I
never remember which end we started at
with last time, but we'll start here. Do
you have any report for us tonight,
David?
>> Nothing to report this time.
>> Okay, very good. Gary,
>> uh nothing to report. Lots of lots of
emails and stuff to go over, but nothing
to go go over here.
>> Great. Eileen, I don't really have
anything tonight. Thank you.
>> Okay, Blake.
>> Yeah, I've just got one thing to report
on with the um legislative policy
committee. We're in the interim session
right now for the next today and
tomorrow. Um and a number of pieces of
legislation that will be affecting well
proposed, put a big old asterisk next to
it. We don't know for sure how things
will proceed forward, but a number of
things in the land use space that we'll
be watching closely and see how they pro
proceed forward, but nothing to report
on on that send on that side today. But
other than that, that's it.
>> Perfect. Thank you. And for everybody's
information, the Utah League is uh is
our our strongest um lobbying effort and
uh group that we belong to at the Hill.
and Blake and myself and Darren attend
all the regular meetings, but Blake has
the extra mile and volunteered to be on
this housing subcommittee. So, he is um
doing a great job representing our
little city in those in those talks.
Thank you, Blake. Um U mayor report be
brief. I want to recognize we had an
employee of 26 years with the city who
is retiring I think actually as of the 1
of September, right? We had a little
farewell kind of congratulation and
thank you party this last week for Ted
Perry. And if any of you know him, he's
been working most recently on our storm
drains that I think started in parks and
has done many things. Am I right on that
Darren? Throughout the 26 years. And so
just a public note of appreciation for
him. He's not one who likes to be up
here and and personally stand and and
get that attention, but I want to
publicly recognize and thank him. So,
thank you, Ted, for your service and
your hard work for our city all these
many years. Um, also just by way of
information for the public, um, an email
that just came in tonight from Blake
Moore's office, our congressman, he will
be, um, conducting,
um, town halls, uh, in our county the
next several days. I really only paid
attention to the Davis County one, which
is Thursday. this Thursday. If you'd
like to go to talk with him, ask him
something, whatever you'd like to, it's
in Clearfield, and I'm sure that
information can be found easily on his
website. But for the record here, I'll
state it's in Clearfield this Thursday
from 12 to 1:30 at the Clearfield Arts
Center, 140 Center Street in Clearfield
if you'd like to make contact with our
congressman. That is all I'm going to
say for my report tonight. We'll get on
to staff reports. Lane.
>> Um, Geneva Rock, they've they've been
they've started the street maintenance
project. They've lowered all the
collars. They'll be here the beginning
of next week to start milling the roads
and then start paving them uh mid next
week. So, it's it's going and it should
be completed by September 15th.
>> Awesome. Are you speaking of all the
roads that were in that project at the
same time?
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Everybody probably that lives on
those are sort of aware by this point.
>> They they've delivered flyers and and
everything.
>> Yeah, for sure. They're aware obviously,
but they can see things happening right
now. So, great. Sounds good. Thanks for
that update.
>> Um Darren,
» uh I was just going to let the council
know that uh I'm starting to prepare for the audit that will be
starting next month, most likely the
middle of next month. So,
>> you're like, "Oh, good. Is that that
time already?"
>> Yeah. So that'll be that'll be getting
ready to happen. So
>> you're either in an audit or you just
finished one. There's not much of a
break in between, right? Feels like
anyway. Great. Thank you.
>> And then the one other thing is we do
have the pickle ball courts out for bid
right now. So
>> okay, we will hopefully probably have
that as an item next time. Possibly.
Actually,
>> what what is the first meeting in
September?
>> The first of September. It'll have to be
the second meeting in September
>> because the bids have to be out
certainly.
>> Yeah, the bid we the open bid is on the
3rd of September. So,
>> okay. All right. So, those are two
meetings for that one. Thank you.
Um All right. Proceeding to number four,
a public comment period. This is a
period where any member of the public
may address the council and we will
listen. Um there are or it may be you
may address council on any topic whether
on the agenda or not. Please limit your
comments to three minutes. Um we limit
the the entire public comment period to
30 minutes at the most. Um unless every
single one of you wants to get up
tonight. We probably won't have a
challenge with that. But um please limit
to three minutes and please state your
name and address um as you begin. Uh,
anyone public comment period is now open
if you would like to um address the
council. Commissioner Kamalu.
>> Yes.
Thank you so much, Mayor Groberg and
council and everyone attending tonight.
Um, right here is our animal care
director, Michelle Hicks. She's
fantastic. Here's the office manager of
animal care. Happy for them to be here
tonight with you. and they'll they'll
talk more. I can't stay the whole time.
I'm going to leave some of my cards
which have my cell phone on it. So, I'm
one of the three county commissioners. I
live close. I live I even do dog walking
up in this area and bike rides up in
this area. So, I live really close. Um,
you can reach out to me anytime on any
subject of the county. You can text me
to my cell phone and share your name and
share what the topic is that you have
questions about and I can text you back
and I can also call you and we can find
a time you can come into my office um in
the county building too. I meet with
folks. I love that. Um I think local
government is a big deal. That's where
we get most all of our services is
through our city and through our county.
So, um, just a I have even family who
lives in Fruit Heights. Some people have
heard me say that before. Um, you're a
special community. So, to not take much
time, really truly uh take advantage of
my card. If we run out of cards, then
Mayor Groberg has my cell. I know
Council Member Mos has my cell. I'm
pretty public with my cell because it's never been really abused in a bad
way. people have genuine interest and I
love that. So anyway, thank you again
for your service. Thanks for being a
great community. I appreciate Fruit
Heights very much, the sister city to
Cisville.
>> Thank you.
» I'll put the cards over here.
>> Perfect.
Thank you, Commissioner.
Okay, seeing no other
um
members of the public who would like to
speak, we will go on to number five,
presentations. 5.1 is animal care of
Davis County. So, please come forward
and share your presentation with us.
Thank you for heights for having me. Um
my name is Michelle Hicks. I'm the
animal care director. Um I've been
working there for a full year now. So,
I'm wet behind the ears. If I do more
puns, animal bad animal puns, just
bear with me. It's part of the job,
right? Um Michelle, uh so to Michelle's,
our office manager is here. She's
actually a Fruit Heights resident and
wanted to come today and um share in
this presentation with us. So, we'll
just go ahead and go through it. If
there's any questions, please let me
know, but it's kind of an overview, but
if you need me to get down into some of
the numbers, I'm happy to do so. So, our
core community service is our pet
adoption, owner surreners, our field
enforcement, uh, volunteer and foster
programs. Normally here, I would put
community cats, but we, you guys don't
seem to have a community cat problem, or
if you do, we just haven't heard about
it yet. Um, but we put in pet food
pantry in there. And then emergency
readiness, which I can um, talk about a
little bit further. On the pet adoption,
we is really easy. Um, residents can go
to our website or our Facebook at AC/DC
Pets or come into our shelter. Uh, we
make it really easy on saying yes. We
make behavior notes every time an
animal's in our care every day. We make
some kind of behavior note, whether it's
with a volunteer or one of our um,
shelter attendants. And so that helps us
kind of guide the the adoption process
with people that are coming in to um,
view the animals and learn more about
them. Um, we offer trials with the
animals. So, we want to make sure that
this is a a appropriate match not just
for the people but for the animal as
well. So, we offer weekend wax where a
resident can take home the dogs for a
weekend couple of days and figure out
them in their home and if they, you
know, get along with the resident
animals, if they're getting along with
the children. And so we really like that
program and to try not to get so many
adoption returns where we have them test
out. We kind of it's like a library
book. We check them out and they can be
checked back in or they can be adopted
at that time.
>> Um and we can also offer assisted meet
and greets. So there oftent times that
there's another animal in the home,
another dog in the home, um say they're
adopting a dog, they can come up to our
shelter and we can assist the meet and
greet between dogs. We don't do cat
testing because we never know how that's
going to work and currently in our
shelter it just doesn't make good sense.
We don't have kind of a space for that.
Um we do our adoption uh every dog or
cat adopted with us receives a spay and
neuter, a microchip, their vaccines, and
a free year license through our partner
DocuPet. And adoption fees are anywhere
from $25 uh for small critters up to
$200 for puppies and kind of anywhere in
between. um our owner surreners. Um not
every mun municipal shelter takes in
owner surreners. It's not actually a
requirement by law, but Davis County has
you know that's part of the you know
service that we provide and I think it's
appropriate service that we provide
where owners can for whatever reason uh surrender their pets to us. We
do like it to be scheduled just to make
sure we're making, you know, we don't
have too many animals coming in at the
same time or we're not overloaded with
animals. So, we do like that scheduled.
Um, but it's just really to manage the
intake. We, it is a judgment free zone.
We're not judging them uh when they come
in and and you know, need to surrender
their pets. We have Hill Air Force Base
on there a lot of the times if they're
moving, you know, cities or even states
that they can't bring their animal with
us. So that we take an owner surrenders
there. But there's a number of reasons.
Housing is a big one. Um that we try to
do uh health conditions. There are
people that end up in the hospital or
you know have kind of a catastrophic
incident. And so we always want to make
sure it's kind of a judgment free zone
and we're just managing the intake. Um
there are uh our owner surrender fee is $45. uh very manageable
and it just helps with some of the costs
when the animal gets brought brought in.
And then if there are services or
resources that we can provide the person
um before owner surrendering and after
if they need housing stability or say
that they want to owner surrender an
animal because they think they have to
go to a the hospital for a month and
they don't have anybody to take care of
their animal. We also have resources. We
partner with an organization called Ruff
Haven which actually takes their animals
in longer term um than we can provide.
And so there's lots of resources that we
can provide the residents. Um community
pet support um is our primary goal. We
want to make sure that the pets are
healthy and in their homes. Um can you
go to the slide one more up for me?
Thank you. Um, and we want to make sure
that they are, you know, properly cared
for. And a lot of the way we do that is
through field enforcement. Um, I'll get
into the numbers in a little bit, but
part of our field enforcement, we have
10 community, uh, animal care officers.
One of those being a community cat
officer that, uh, go over into the
entire county. Um, and so a lot of that
is making sure that we're doing welfare
checks or nuisance calls or, you know,
somebody's dog is barking too much. Our
animal care officers will actually go
out there, make sure that the animal has
food and water, make sure that the
animal owner has resources if they need
it, and then, you know, talk to
specifically on the barking calls, we'll
talk to the the person who's made the
complaint. if if it's something we need
to, you know, provide bark boxes for or
some other kind of resources, we also
provide that. We have a great volunteer
and foster program. I'll talk a little
bit more at the end. And our emergency
readiness. So, uh, prior to really a
week ago, we didn't have an emergency
coordinator in our shelter, uh, totally
focused on pets. not just the pets that
we have in the shelter, but pets that
are in the homes of all of you um and
all of your residents. And so hopefully
um you know, with this new position, um
we are going to be able to, you know,
work with the emergency operations um
director at the at the Davis County
level. There'll be state resources and
all that other stuff that comes along
with that. So hopefully by the next time
I come back, we'll give you more
information kind of about our plan and
our SOPs on that stuff. So that's great.
I have actually have a question about
that. So, is it the intent that like if
there's a let's say a wildfire in the
area that that this person will go in
and actually contact people, make sure
that their their like livestock and pets
are taken care of.
>> It it will be a livestock and pets and
yeah, so we need to be able to house
those animals. So, say I mean there was
a a fire up in uh Fruit Heights not too
long ago. It thankfully
was shut down very quickly. So, that was
great. But yes, so we'll have places for
them to go or uh optional sites where
they'll be able to take the animals into
this optional site until they can figure
out um what to do or where they're going
or you know that kind of stuff or if
it's just for the night just in um what
do they call it when you just evacuate
really quickly and
>> and hopefully help with that but also
get them resources to where their
animals need to go. there. Um there was
an organization that actually gave uh
the Red Cross a a really good monetary
donation recently and so we're hoping to
tap into that as well. But yes,
resources for all of those incidences.
Yeah.
>> Great.
Um okay, we can move to the next
one.
>> Oh, we're we're going to get on to that
with the next page. Thank you. Yeah. So,
our pet food pantry, um people are
struggling. There's a a lot going on.
Um, and so if we can take kind of one
thing off their um, list, we try to do
that. Say that they don't have enough
money um, or uh, uh, access to and from
someplace, we have a pet food pantry
that's entirely donation based. Um, we
have an Amazon wish list that people can
um, donate food from or a lot of the
times people are just bringing it in.
And if you need help for the month or a
couple of months, please come in. We'll
get you a bag of dog food, cat food, and
uh make sure that the animal gets kind
of the care that they need while you're
kind of going through that hard time. Uh
>> are those needs all met through
donations?
>> The the pet food.
>> Pet food.
>> Yes. All through donations. So, we have
actually fantastic community that I I
don't even know. We called um because we
were running out of blankets and towels
and we use blankets and towels all day
every day. And the amount of blankets
and towels that we got was insane. Like
our entire attic is filled right now and
like the shelter attendants are folding
everything up and making sure that they
So we're going to be good on blankets
and towels for like a year.
>> So we don't currently
no more.
>> Yes.
» Yeah. Is that right?
» Yeah.
We we have a fantastic community. So, um
uh our lost and found directory, if you
ever um come AC or come across a lost um
animal or if you are lost your animal,
we have a great directory. So, if the
animals that come into our shelter that
are strays, we post them all over the
internet. We post them on our Facebook
page. Um, and we have this great
community that kind of just shares them
in all of the little ancillary
neighborhood um, Facebook pages as well.
And then we have um, great uh, website
that also you can go and post your lost
dog or post a found dog or cat or animal
that people will be able to kind of
review that. What I will say though is
that those are great. it. There's nothing wrong with coming into
the shelter just to get an eye on all of
the pets there because somebody may have
gotten a bad picture or there's, you
know, not the right side because I'm
like, I know my dog has a black splotch
on the left, you know, the left cheek,
but it's a picture on the right cheek.
So, there's nothing wrong with coming
into the shelter just to do a quick view
of that. And then I've already t kind of
talked about emergency response. Okay,
we can go to the next.
And um these are kind of your guys'
stats um for Fruit Heights specifically.
Um and this is specifically with our
field um services team. So all of our
animal care officers, this is what
they're doing in your community. Uh it
comes up to about 1.5% of the the
services that the ACOs do. And you guys
are about, if the math was correct, and
I'm not saying that it was, but you guys
are about 1.5% of our duties with Fruit
Heights. And I think per capita that is
sits about right.
>> So how long is this period?
>> This is actually from January to June of
this year.
>> Okay. Six months.
>> Six months. Correct. So we've had seven
adoptions. Um 22 bite investigations.
That's actually your top metric. That is
not unusual. That's pretty much the top
metric for every city as we were doing
this. So, that is not unusual. Um, 15
park patrols and that number is probably
a little bit higher. If you notice our
nuisance calls about halfway through the
beginning of the year, we were putting
park patrols in the nuisance calls, but
that didn't make sense. It wasn't a
nuisance. And so, we kind of uh pulled
that one out and now it's just
specifically to our park patrols.
>> What's the difference between a nuisance
call and a bark patrol? Nuisance calls
are like barking, somebody's walking
without at a leash. People residents
calling in about another animal that's
kind of being a nuisance to them,
whether it's in their neighborhood, in
their park, or anything like that.
>> So, not not a bark because I
>> park a park patrol.
>> Oh, park patrol.
>> Park patrol. Yes.
>> Park.
>> Yes. Park patrol.
>> Oh, no. Park. Yes. Sorry.
>> What's the difference?
>> Yeah. But a park patrol is not as a
result of a phone call. It's Is that
what you're saying? Yeah. park patrol,
they actually go to your go to your
parks and your trails and actually see
people talk to people that have their
dogs in the parks. Um, we'll get to it a
little bit later, but there are uh times
when dogs are off leash or they're
running the trail off leash or anything
like that. So, that's what we try to get
out and educate the the general public
on those things during during the park
patrols. Um, the So, you'll notice that
we've had seven adoptions, but also
seven owner surreners. That's also not
uncommon and um to have kind of
adoptions and owner surreners around the
same amount um in in the smaller cities.
Um animal versus animal is actually when
animals are fighting each other. Um and
then owner assists. So we'll go to the
person's home and help them if they need
help taking a um a dog into a car or
getting them to a vet or having them
come up to the shelter. That's kind of
the owner assist. Wellness checks is
somebody's just calling and saying, "I
don't think this dog has water or I
don't think that this animal's being
well taken care of." So, that's a a
wellness check. Agency assists is when
officers will call us and to help us to
help with a something on scene, whether
it's a car accident, a DUI, or you know,
an unfortunate situation in the home.
That's kind of where our agency assist
comes. And again, community cats at 0%.
What I will say is, you know, our
shelter is in Fruit Heights, so you guys
have 100% shelter access. It's super
close. It's super nice that we're in
your backyard. I personally love it.
Can't beat the Can't beat the uh view
from my office that I don't let anybody
else see. It's my view. So,
um this is just kind of a quick
distribution of the services versus the
county and kind of some percentages on
that. Um small footprint, um high
access, and we have focused field
responses for that. So,
>> um, does your officers do anything with
wild animals like like raccoons or
things like that?
>> We are specifically our our the laws
surrounding wildlife is is not ours to
take on. Um, we are specifically
companion animals only. Um, I do have
information raccoons is something that
we used to do, but there are many many
reasons why we don't do raccoons and I'm
happy to kind of share those talking
points with um, you all. I I don't have
them here with me. Um but no wildlife
calls we would um forward them to the
wildlife
>> DWR thank you division of wild wildlife
resources. So yeah all right we can move
on to
>> Can I ask one little question what I'm
reading here on your bar that says small
footprint high accesses
5% of total etc etc from having the main
county shelter located within city
limits. Does that mean there are
satellite shelters?
>> There are not satellite shelters.
>> Yeah, it's just that the shelter is
here. Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Um, cute picture of Prince Ali. That's
actually his adoption photo. He's so
cute. Um, I was actually so surprised
that that cat stayed long as long as it
did. I was like, how is nobody adopting
this cat? Anyway, um, this is about city
events and employee engagement. And it's
just a call for you all. We're happy to
come to community events. If you have a
founders day, if you guys have a I know
they're doing like night out against
crime, um, anything like that that you
wish us to be a part of, we're happy to
be there. We would love to do one or two
events with each city each year. And so
anything that we can kind of be a
partner on or kind of come to, we're
happy to do that. Have a resource table,
do an adoption event, anything like
that. Um the other is employee snuggle
time. If you guys want us to bring
kittens or dogs, they will all be
adoptable as well. Um but if you want us
to come to do an event or or a a a
employee um engagement event or if you
guys we have had some agencies reach out
that they want to come in and walk dogs
as a team or anything like that. We're
happy to accommodate anything like that.
So
>> Darren, you're ready for a snuggle break
with a with a cat or a dog or whatever
>> lizard. I don't know.
>> If you I mean if you want to wait till
next April where the the kitten season
is back, we're happy to do that as well.
did not know that that was something you
did.
>> Absolutely. Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> On the next one,
>> um so this is just kind of a a
recommendation. Um so when we're out
doing park patrols, I've asked our ACOs
to um kind of look around the park, see
the signage, see the if there's way
stations. A lot of the times when
they're going out to educate um the
animal owners, they'll be like, "Well,
there was no sign." And so that was like
a big thing that they've mentioned. And
so I had my officers kind of do a broad
search of all of the parks in Davis
County. And the two that um they had
talked about kind of trying to um uh
recommend is Nicholls Park, which the
city website states dogs are allowed,
but there's no physical signage on state
indicating that dogs must be kept on a
leash. And that's something that they
talk about. Well, they didn't say
anywhere and I didn't notice it
anywhere. Even though
>> I think for all of the parks it's Yeah,
it's a countywide ordinance. Yeah.
>> So, residents aren't looking at
ordinances though, they are looking at
signs. I would also say that if there
are waste stations, if there are not
weigh stations, we should provide way
stations for them. It's just an easier
way, make it as easy as possible for
them for them to pick up after their
animals um when they are in the parks.
And the other one was Castle Park and
that there are no signs posted at all
regarding with animals whether animals
are permitted and there are currently no
way stations available there and they
could we couldn't find on the website
with whether dogs were um allowed at
that park either. Um, and so just wanted
to mention that
>> by a way station you mean um little
doggy bags?
>> Little doggy bags in a garbage can.
So
>> yeah, that's an ongoing
>> topic for several
>> Yeah.
>> individuals.
>> It's honestly one of the main complaints
that we get is that people are there and
they're stepping in all of the fun
things.
>> You see the baggies all along the path.
>> There's a there's a lot of that, too. If
you got a dog, take care of the
>> bag. You know,
>> that that's part of being a responsible
pet owner, right? Is making sure that
you're cleaning up after your animal
>> because honestly, we don't want to be we
don't want to be the bad guys and we
don't want to have to
>> talk to you about picking up your dog
excrement. So, yeah.
>> Yeah. I think that's part of the
responsibility of being a pet owner. You take care of it and don't leave it
out there for other people to
>> Correct. Correct.
Um so this so um becoming a foster or
volunteer. We actually have a robust
foster program and a volunteer program.
Uh we have fosters that um uh foster
dogs, cats, snakes, uh we had a bearded
dragon, um birds, pigeons, parakeet,
like the the list goes on and on. So,
what the foster program is, um, is that,
you know, regular residents will bring
in a dog or a cat into their home, um,
kind of get them away from the shelter
space. A lot of, there are some animals
that do not do well in shelters. There's
some animals that rock it. They're
totally fine being in a shelter. They
love hanging out with all the other
animals, but there are some animals that
just can't take it. And so, that's where
fosters come into play. Um, a and we
have a foster coordinator that's amazing
and she does really really well and kind
of, you know, has this family kind of
dynamic with all of them. We have
mentors that they're part on this
Facebook page that if somebody's having
a problem with a cat or a dog, there's
other mentors that can kind of jump in
and um share information. So, that's
great. On the volunteer side, we have
volunteers that come in and do um
enrichment. They we have one a a
gentleman that comes in five days a week
and walks dogs for two and a half hours
every morning. That's his kind of
exercise for the day. And so we have
lots of um things that we do with
volunteers. This is actually 2025
numbers, but in 2025, Fruit Heights
residents specifically uh did a little
under 300 hours of volunteer work. This
does not include the foster program.
This just is specific to volunteers. So
it's easy onboarding and full support.
we'd love to have you uh if you're
interested. So, and then other ways that
you can get involved without doing, you
know, specific foster or volunteers. You
can go to the next page. Thank you. Are
our sniffabouts and weekend wags. So,
sniffabouts, uh you come in and these
are specific to dogs. These are not
cats, but the sniffabout, you come in
again, the checkout, you know, library
book, check out a dog for about an hour.
You can go get them pup cups, you can go
to Lowe's, you can take them on a walk,
you can take them on a trail. will uh
affix them with a cute little adopt me
and you just people talking them and
getting kind of out of the shelter for
the for the day and then our weekend
wags. It doesn't always have to lead to
adoption. It could just be you wanting
to get the dog out of the shelter for
the weekend, right? Couple of days. Do
you do that?
>> Sorry.
» That is inaccurate. Yeah. So, it is it
doesn't mean that you have to adopt the
dog afterwards. You might want to. We
call those foster fails, but you know,
if you do anyway, but
>> weekend it does not have to be a
weekend. It's any couple of days. Yeah.
So, that's our cute little Dill. He just
got adopted. He's so cute after a
weekend wag actually. So, that's um the
only other thing I had is that No,
that's all actually I had. So, any other
questions for you?
>> Do you you participate with best
friends? So, do sometimes the year you
have the free adoption?
>> So, we
>> How does that how does that work?
>> Um, we don't do necessarily free
adoptions with Best Friends. Sometimes
they will run a program where they'll
will where they will give the money for
the adoptions um to us, but they haven't
done that this year. Um, but they have
done it, but we are a network program
with them and did reach no kill status
uh in 23, 24, and 25. So,
any other questions? Uh yeah. So a while
ago there was discussion in the county
about updating the actual building. Is
that still something that's being
planned or talked about?
>> That is still the plan. I don't have
much of an update right now. The
architect and Lane, who's our facilities
department director, are going through
the bid process right now. They I think
they just completed it and are now
crunching the numbers. then I'll need to
go back to commission um because I do
believe we'll be over budget no matter
how much we've cut it. It is still going
to be over budget. The feasibility study
in 2023
>> three said that we needed a $20 million
facility but Davis County only allocated
the $16.5 million. So we were already
kind of behind the behind the eight pole
on that. So hopefully in September,
we're bringing it back to commission and
I'll I'll give you an an update when I hear from them.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. But from what I
understand, it's still going to be in
Fruit Heights. It's going to be right in
front of us. So we'll still have that
kind of central location to Davis County
and and right in your backyard.
>> Thank you.
>> So, welcome.
>> Anything else, Council?
>> Great. Um I have my card if you need to
get a hold of me and then I just have
little thank you cards with our um QR
codes on the backs to our links. So, if
you want to take a look at any available
animal, you can.
>> Sneaky, sneaky. Thank you.
>> Thank you. And if it's okay, we'll just
head out.
>> Sure. Yes, of course.
>> Thank you. Let me know if you need
anything, Michelle. Thank you for that
presentation.
» Um, item 5.2, our Farmington fire
report.
>> Before you guys leave, can I share
something with you?
>> Yes. Once in a while we'll have animal
shelters, ask the fire department to
show up. We will happily show up and
hold the animal
put in a fire truck.
» I love that. Okay, great. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Right. Welcome, Chief Willis. Well, good
looking.
>> Good morning. Good evening.
>> Take it away.
>> We're going to do the second quarter
data, the second quarter report. And um
I just wanted to share at this point
I've been with Farmington now 14ish 14
months and um things are going great.
Absolutely still love my uh love my
position and enjoying doing both. So a
couple of the slides are redundant if
you've seen these before and then
obviously there's some new information
but same uh same staffing model. We
still have a maximum of eight people.
Typically we're at eight every day. We
can staff three units with that. What's
important is we can staff an engine
suppression unit, a medic unit, and an
ambulance. And we work really hard to be
able to do that. Go ahead. Um service
delivery. I always do this as well. It's
important to know exactly where we're
responding to. And as the as the
community changes, for example, there's
a ton of construction on all of the
highways. It changes how we respond. So
there is times where we have to make
agreements with other cities. We'll go
north, they'll go south, etc. so that we
can get to each situation sooner. That's
typically when it happens on an
interstate. And right now 89 is great.
I-15 is terrible. Legacy is terrible.
So, so far so good. So, emergency calls
second quarter. Go ahead. I love to do
time of day and I love to do days of the
week. I looked back at time of day and
day of the week for the first quarter.
What was interesting is Thursdays and
Sundays were tied for the most frequent
calls and then this quarter Sunday
trumps everybody which is really unusual
that we're getting that many calls on a
Sunday. Time of day is exactly the same.
We're looking at noon, 2 p.m. and then
of course 4,5 and 6 p.m. That stayed
pretty consistent.
Medical calls, we had 34 in this quarter
very similar amongst what we're
responding to. cardiac issues, cardiac
arrest, falls, canceled in routes, very
consistent. And then fires, we have this
is the graph looks a little more
impressive than what it actually is. The two graphs that are highest is fire
alarm and canceled and route. Those are
two instances and then the rest are one.
So, it's pretty consistent across the
board as to what we respond to.
Community risk reduction. This is
something that we try to really focus
on. Um, we're looking at obviously new
construction, any any part of the
community that's being renovated, but
some of the things that we've just put
into place is what we call hazard
assessments. We have looked at fruit
heights, we have looked at Farmington,
and where are vulnerable populations,
where are populations where we have
access, ingress or egress issues, where
are uh commercial structures that have
chemicals that we should be concerned
about. All of our crews are being wa are
walking through these particular
facilities. So, we know if we go there,
these are the things we need to worry
about. Just an example, um
the the sports complex, the Western
sports complex, they can have 10,000
people in there at the same time. If
there's a fire, that's going to be a
huge issue. So, we've walked through,
we've trained with their staff. We
actually know how to isolate their
building. So, if we have to protect half
of it and we have to allow half of it to
burn, we can do that. We've done it with
Cherry Hill. We've done it with Lagoon.
We continue to do this and that's
something we do. We've made a goal of
doing so many per year and that requires
our crew to do so many per month. And
that's something we'll just constantly
evaluate. Okay. So, obviously that's
what I was just sharing with you. We've
done Lagoon already. We're about to do
Lagoon again. They're going to do Fright
Nights. So they change their
infrastructure and there's what they use
if you if you haven't been there in a
while. They take pavilions that are open
right now and they turn them into their
haunted houses and there's five or six
which means now these are confined
spaces that don't have a lot of light.
There's one way in, there's one way out.
These are things that we work really
hard with to make sure it's safe for the
citizens. Okay, so WOOI. Yeah, that's my
four-letter word right now. Um you can
go to the next slide. Um, so the great
part about this is we have some
resources. Farmington is fortunate that
we have two large brush trucks. We have
a rover that goes up in the canyon. We
have a water tender. We have used every
one of these in the past three weeks
consistently. Um, the water tender. We
happen to have the only water tender in
Davis County that was functional for
over a month. So that was made available
to all of Davis County. And then we have
people in the city that are trained to
drive that. We have two brush trucks.
One brush truck um was in north north
Ogden. They had a a serious brush fire.
We went we had one here. We had one
there. The next week we were in
Washington Terrace. They had a huge
brush fire where that gentleman passed.
And then last week we went to Henford
twice and we did it two o'clock in the
afternoon to 6:00 a.m. in the morning.
So we kept one here and we allowed one
to deploy. And when we deploy units,
we're backfilling. So our staffing
doesn't change. The way we respond to
calls does not change when this happens.
The great part about this is because we
have partnerships with forestry uh
forestry state lands, they actually
reimburse us for whatever backfill we
have to provide. So it's a great
partnership.
Yeah. So brush fires July 3rd and I
realize this is out of the second
quarter, but it's so relevant. And I
wanted to talk about we had the brush
fire in Wilder's Park that bordered
Fruit Heights. We were really concerned.
It went really well and they were able
to stop that. We were in Davis County in
North Ogden. We were in Washington
Terrace and then we've been in Henford
twice.
So the interesting part is some of those
fires were caused by fireworks. The
governor did something unusual this year
where he allowed FFSO to create an
executive order that states each city
had the right to decide, are you going
to ban fireworks? Are you going to allow
fireworks? What is that going to look
like? So, city manager and I spoke about
this. The important part for me was what
can we protect and what are we worried
about? So, my city allowed me to make a
decision and your city allowed me to
make the same decision. Do we have a
location that's safe to discharge
fireworks that we can man and we can
protect the surrounding area? We didn't
feel like we had a comfortable spot in
Fruit Heights. We banned it. We had a
great spot in Farmington. We had a huge
park that when we discharged the
fireworks, it went over the softball
fields. So, there was there was really
nothing it could burn. So, that worked
well for July 4th. we get to um then the
second part um of the year, Pioneer Day,
where the governor now says the cities
can request to ban, but now you have to
apply to FFSL and say I want to ban and
this is why. And at that point, we
thought we've had a little bit of rain.
We have a really good idea of what we're
going to do. We had fireworks patrols.
We had people for 4 days prior to and
after traveling all over to make sure we
were on top of it. So, we allowed it the
second the second holiday and it worked
really well. We didn't have any issues
in either city. Go on. Other cities did.
So, Wilderness Park obviously that was
set by some individuals. They were young
adults that were um having fun with
fireworks and the fireworks got away
from them. They bailed. They didn't
stay. They knew there was a fire, but
other people did stay. were able to take
video. They were able to actually locate
the individuals that did this. Uh Costa
was a group of individuals that were
discharging illegal fireworks and that
burned that restaurant down.
>> Is it illegal?
>> Illegal fireworks in that case.
>> Yep. So, Leighton had a wonderful um
they had areas in their city where you
could do in multiple locations you could
discharge fireworks. However, the
individuals that did this were using
fireworks that are not legal in this
state. So unfortunate.
>> Okay. So on some more fun stuff, we did
community engagement which was great. We
love doing community engagement. We came
here for founders day which is a
wonderful event and then we went on to
festivals day. Um a couple of other
things that we're doing going forward I
realize isn't part of the second quarter
but um 911 ceremonies. This is the 25th
anniversary unfortunately of 911. So
there'll be lots of ceremonies that will
be coming up in the near future.
So the last thing I want to share is
what is the focus? What are our goals
for the second quarter? This will go on
to the third quarter. And I say this
every time. I like to focus on
efficiencies and effectiveness. And this
isn't something that we look at once.
Are we continually effective? Are we
continually efficient? And if we're not,
what do we need to tweak? So some of the
things that we look at um you can scroll
to the next. In the second quarter, we
actually were inspected by ISO,
insurance services office. What this
does, it's a it's a a United Stateswide inspection of
fire departments. We can tell them no,
but if we tell them no, they change our
ISO rating to a 10. This affects your
insurance, whether it's your homeowner's
insurance, your commercial insurance.
One is the best, 10 is the worst. Today
we're a three and in the canyon we're a
3x. And these are the criteria that get
evaluated. Uh fire protection. How
quickly can we get to the scene of a
fire? Get 17 firefighters on that scene.
How many engines do we have? How much
water do we have? What is our water
distribution system? Fruit Heights has
an amazing water distribution system and
the inspector was extremely impressed
with what you do and how you maintain
it. How quickly does dispatch get to
look and dispatch a call? what is our
training like and what is our community
risk reduction. So that's why we're
doing these hazard assessments. This all
boosts our score. We don't know our
score yet. It takes 60 to 90 days and at
this point we're close to 60 days in. So
we should be getting a score soon. That
will be made public to to the mayor to
the city manager of both cities and then
you can of course share that with
>> with your occupants.
>> Do they delineate between Farmington and
Fights or is it together?
>> They could they could. I doubt they
will, but what they will delineate is
the canyon versus the city because the the response up there is very
different. The water distribution system
is different up there.
>> Okay.
Some of the other things that
we've managed is um I talked last time
about how we had to get we had to
reapply for our medical license to be
able to service these communities. Every
June we have to reapply with the state
once a year to be able to have our
vehicles licensed. So that requires an
inspection. It requires a fee. We have
to maintain a state inventory of
equipment and medications and we have to
be able to prove that we can do that. So
we did this in June. We passed. Um
thankfully we passed or we wouldn't be
providing service. Um but the important
part about this is if uh 2025 and in
2026 some of the state laws changed as
to what we can bill for with regard to
ambulance service. It used to be that
the state law allowed we send an
ambulance, we transport a patient, we
bill for the use of the ambulance, we
bill for the equipment, and we bill for
the medication. That has been taken away
from everybody in the state. We can now
bill for the transport. So, as we look
at our medical inventory and our medical
equipment, we still have to comply with
what the state requires, but we can no
longer bill for it. So, one of the
things that we have done is we've
created an inventory and now I have a um
an inventory system that gets managed
once a month. We want to make sure that
if we're buying medical supplies,
medication for example, that we use them
before they expire. And there's there's
some things you cannot avoid. But one of
the other things we'd like to do is if
we have medication that's expired, we'd
like to partner with our local vets to
say they can use expired medication, we
cannot.
>> And I think it would be a great
partnership of at least if we're if we
can't use it for our citizens, we can
use it for our our animal families. So
that's something we'll be doing. Okay.
Uh big focus for us obviously is
continued training and development. We
have a certain amount of EMS hours that
we have to do every two years. We track
that regularly. We do fire training as
well. That is some of the things that
ISO
tracks. We have to do 290 hours of fire
training which requires us to do two
hours a day. It's impossible. We can't
reach it. We we get really close. On top
of that, there's officer training,
driver training, hazmat training, and
then leadership training. So all these
things are tracked and then they're
turned over to this is I ISO inspector.
And then one of the things we're also
required to do is several functional
fitness tests. And one of the things we
have to do because we have a canyon and
we have a wildland urban interface area
is we have to be wildland firefighter
certified which requires us to wear a 35
45 pound vest. It's called a red card
certification. we have to do a
three-mile lap in a certain amount of
time wearing this vest. So, what we've
tried to do is create three quarterly
fitness tests that are functional um but
yet fun. So, one one we just did was um
it's hot in July. We did it in the end
of July, end of June, beginning of July,
and we used our rec center. You had to
do two and a half miles. It was 20 laps.
Every lap that you did, you did
push-ups, squats, and you went up and
down a set of stairs. You did that 20
times. Wow.
>> We had a max. You couldn't You had to do
it in under 60 minutes. So 59 minutes or
less. And the person that finished first
got an award and it was a blast. That's
something that we do every quarter.
>> Give us the name of who finished first
so we can applaud them. You know,
>> it was great. What's fun is he's young
so of course he finished first, right?
But the the competitiveness of of the
firefighters or who finished second, who
finished third, I finished fourth, which
I loved because
>> that deserves a little ways. They are.
>> So anyway, it was fun.
>> Chief's right upward.
>> Well, then
>> and then the last slide is um I wanted
to just give you a quick update on our
budget. Obviously, we've all just
started a new budget. I love July. I get
to buy stuff. Um some of the big things
that we've ordered, we have a new medic
vehicle that's on order. It's a F-150
that has a a topper on the back and our
medic vehicle is got 122,000 miles. And
what we find is as frequently as we're
using an ambulance in a medic vehicle,
we've got to turn them over about every
5 years or all we're doing is
maintaining them and we end up spending
more money than not. The interesting
part about this is I thought that
vehicle was going to be outrageously
expensive. An ambulance today is about
$350,000.
The medic vehicle was 111 custommade. I
was floored. The F-150 is the F-150, but
we customed everything up. $111,000.
The Rover I thought was going to be
about $30,000. It's at 60 and I'm not
done. It's in I had I don't have UTVs. I
had no idea how much Rovers were. But we
had budgeted um overall about 160,000.
So together I can actually get both of
these vehicles. I'm so grateful that the
medic vehicle was as cost-effective as
it was. The rover will allow us to be
able to take a person from the top of
the mountain down on the back of a
stretcher and they're safe. Um where
today our rover is it's old. It it
depending on the weight it struggles.
It's just no longer safe. So that's on
order as well.
>> And then another interesting statistic,
fire hose, fire equipment has a life
expectancy. fire hose life expectancy is
10 years. I have hose that's 30 years
old. We have hose older than people that
work there. So, we were able to get um
the city allowed me to purchase there's
four different types of hose that we
purchase one size. We use it frequently.
That was $20,000 and I was able to
purchase that. So, each year for the
next three years, we'll purchase a
different size hose and then all of our
hose will be in compliance and that's
really important to us. And then
finally, the last uh information is the
station build. If you haven't driven by
there, the fire station now, the the
second floor is going up. The the metal
shell is coming together. It actually
looks like a building. So, I'm pretty
excited about that. And we're still on
task for March or April of next year.
>> Remind everybody where that is. They
want to drive by.
>> I'm sorry.
>> We'll remind everyone where that is.
>> It's Innovator Drive in Maker Way. So,
the new park that Farmington just put um
that just opened probably a couple
months ago, a year ago. It's right
across the street from there.
>> And that's it. Any questions for me?
Council
» I love your report. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Great presentation. Thank
you, Chief. Appreciate having you.
>> Okay. Wonderful. Um
moving to number six is we're into
discussion items. Okay. 6.1
uh is there any discussion on appoint on
the appointment for planning
commissioner? I have um for the
information of the public, I've shared
all this with council already, but
uh we did receive several um
applications for
uh this is for district 4 in our
planning commission. And um when we'd
received several of them, we um
began to schedule interviews and sitting
down. Being that I myself live in
district 4, I wanted to um you know
avoid any sort of perception of me alone
making a decision and being biased or
something. So I invited a member of the
planning commission as well as member of
staff to interview with me and we had um
a great experience. We have wonderful
people in our community and very
talented, very capable people. Um and
from that um a consensus amongst all of
us when we compared notes was um Ken
Bagley is his name. He's with us
tonight. Ken, thanks for being here. Um
he's wonderful applicant, very talented
guy, smart, and brings a lot of good
assets to this um um and skills to this
position. And so he is my recommendation
to the council. And I hope you will um
support and confirm his appointment. Is
there any discussion or question that
the council would like to um ask me
about that at this point?
» The one comment I have is that uh I I
did have a chance to look at his, you
know, your LinkedIn profile. It looks
like you a lot of good professional
experience and uh I don't have any
anything concerns or questions beyond
that. So,
>> okay.
Thank you very much. Um,
let's see. I I don't know if there's
anything else that I should mention. I I have all confidence in Ken and taking
on this. He's just um a good neighbor
who stepped forward and interested in
serving um in the public. Um for anyone
who is concerned, his background is um
not in real estate or development of any
kind. He's in a business sector in a
completely different capacity. if that
is something that any one wondered
about. Um and um we're just really
impressed with him and glad to have him
step forward and I feel like he'll be a
very good fit. All of us felt that he'd
be a great fit on our commission and
work well um with our other commission
members. So um if that's if that's
everything, we can move to the next
item.
>> Well, I just want to express gratitude
to all the applicants and thank you for
being willing to serve in our community.
>> Absolutely. We're just really grateful
for people that step up and care about
their community. So appreciate it.
>> Absolutely. Yes. Thank you to you and to
the others who applied. I'll say
publicly to anyone who applies. We're
grateful for that and encourage it. So
um as far as a discuss we'll get to that
um action item.
Um
actually unless we could we could let Ken go if we can
move the action item. We ready to Should
we just go ahead and move the action
item here and quickly take care of that?
>> I don't have a problem.
>> And then he's got a family he can go
home and waiting with instead of waiting
through all the rest of this.
>> Is council all right if we do that?
>> I'm okay with doing that personally, but
um that's just I'm just one. Um
>> and I'll just make David seems okay.
>> Typically I would I would like to know
just a little bit more about the
candidates. I I had a chance to talk to
him before the meeting, just get to know
him a little bit. Um, and that was that
was nice. But
it'd be nice to just be a little bit
more informed on
>> sooner just so that just so that we can
consider the candidate that just just my
um request I would say.
>> Okay. Um that's noted. Um I will share
that I I I um admit admittedly I'm a new
mayor, right? So this is my second
appointment and um I sort of took a
poll, not a poll, but like kind of a
questionnaire of in other cities how
this how this goes. And just for
everyone's knowledge and information,
the process that we've used here is is
um very much in line with um and and and
by some standards even more thorough and
um ahead of time than than several other
cities. That varies a little bit from
city to city, but um generally um it is
and is written in our statutes as well
as the mayor's um job to
um
appoint to to to gather the applications
to go through to interview and then to
make a selection and appoint. And um
variously in different cities councils
ask no questions or very few or in some
few cases receive um fuller information
but that's it it varies a little bit.
It's not entirely standard because it's
it is again by statute it's the mayor's
job to do the vetting not the council's
job to do the vetting but um having said
that I have made an effort to share um
information from the both from our
interview experience as well as reaching
out to speak with each of you and answer
ask what questions you might have had um
and share what I um what I know about
this candidate. So I do feel I've made
that effort. Um Gary, we tried to
connect today. You were probably busy,
but we were I was trying to text you and and
um
you know, connect with that. That didn't
succeed as well as it could have this
time, but um I did feel that I made that
effort. Um and appreciate your um
support. So, if we could go ahead, it
seems like I've got at least three nods
here to go ahead and do the vote and we
can um allow Ken to head back to his
family. But um is this remind me is this
a roll call type of a vote? I'm not
remembering this consent. This consent
vote. Okay. So um all in favor of
supporting the planning comm appointment
for planning commission. All right.
>> It's not by a motion,
>> right?
>> Is it consent with consent?
>> Okay. Motion to appoint Callum Bagley as
a planning commission member.
>> Do we need a a motion from council?
Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.
>> Did you get it?
>> A second.
>> Okay. So, motion from uh Blake, a second
from David. Um all in favor of this
motion, please say yes.
>> Yes.
>> Any opposed say no.
>> Okay. Thank you, council. That is um
unanimous and I appreciate your support
and thank you Ken for for being here
tonight and for stepping forward to
serve in our community. We appreciate
you. Okay, great.
Um
going back to we'll go to 6.2.
Um the LRB cemetery financial proposal
as an item for discussion here. We did
have so cemetery has not been a um major
um topic in our public meetings this
year except for in our last meeting
where um Todd and he's here. Good. Hello
Todd. Um as our committee chair gave a
presentation
um just to fill in a little background
for members of the public. um
when when I took office um and after the
discussions and things that were said
and took place during the campaign and
having talked to many many people out
there realizing this is a interesting
question there many for and many not for
um this issue but the cemetery committee
had expressed they didn't feel that
they'd had enough support to do whatever
they needed to do to investigate a
cemetery possibility in recent times and
so I um
reached out as an olive branch and said,
"Hey, why don't I give you some support?
I don't feel like we can investigate
continually forever, but if we take one
year in the whole year of 2026, is that
enough time to get answer not to not to
develop a cemetery, let me be clear, but
to answer the question, is there a way
for Fruit Heights to have a cemetery
that doesn't require any tax impact?"
That was my ask of the cemetery. And um
they said I said by they I mean I spoke
with Todd and I also spoke with Eileen.
Um she's having been involved in it.
They said yes, we think a year would be
plenty of time. And so they have
assembled their committee and been
working on developing and talking about
how could that be done and not impact
our tax money. So that's kind of the
background of what the cemetery
committee has been busy trying to
investigate this year. Also um in
January with our strategic planning
meeting with council, I introduced that
idea uh told them of those discussions
and they were supportive of saying yes
in for this year we can support it and
we'll put some money in the budget to do
possible studies or whatever is needed
to get good data, get an answer to that
question. And so that's where where that
work has been that that's what's been
happening. So in the in the budget that
we've now approved for this year, there
is a line item for u some financial
support of doing a study um a cost study
or or some type of study um and it and
cost being you know a main topic when it comes to cemetery.
So, LRB, you see up on the screen, is a
company
um that and we um
made made efforts to look around and see
how many companies provide that kind of
a service. It turns out not many. So
this is this is one company that does do
these kinds of studies among other
things in their services for
municipalities but um that has
experience um has some pretty extensive
experience in providing cemetery
financial studies feasibility and
sustainability. And so we obtained a
proposal from them to um help us out
with a you know comprehensive analysis
of cost and um so that is that is the
proposal that's there right now tonight.
Now in the meantime other things have
developed and there are other questions
on the board about as far as cemetery um
because it's not as simple as all that.
um in our city. We have um other
questions to resolve and also um
as council is aware and as Todd
presented in his uh remarks last week,
uh the committee is interested in in um
going out to find some information um
about or to uh request information from
private companies to see if that's a
possibility. So, um, that's kind of the
focus. It's I think I'm correct in
saying that right now, Todd. Correct me
if I'm wrong. That's the focus of the
committee is to try to see if there's a
um
a private company option. We're saying
private public partnership, but I think
what we're talking about is a private
company that would be willing to
basically foot the whole cost for us if
they could use the land. So that's an
open question and that's a question no
one knows the answer to. So that's a
question you're looking for an answer to
and wanting to investigate. So it it um
may or may not be the right time to do
this proposal proposed study and um it
may be that in at another time um would
be the right time but council we can
discuss this now. I just want to give
some background for the public to so
they're not in confusion about what's
happening with the cemetery committee
because you know we we all know that's
been a topic um off and on off and on for many years. So,
um
this proposal before us here is a thing
that um would the scope of this proposal
um
is looking at a city built and
maintained seminary cemetery that would
be self- sustaining.
Um, and in other words, like what at
what cost, at what price point for the
end user would you be able to build and
pay for building and maintaining and
sustaining a cemetery um all the way
through for a long long time. That's
what this proposal proposes to evaluate.
Um, they can they can also evaluate
other cost models. Todd went through
several of them. I think if you have any
questions on those, there are other cost
models. LRB is able to evaluate any of
those. It would just be a different
proposal, be a different scope than this
one before us tonight as all. So, um,
discussion on that. Eileen, maybe you
have some things being that you're the
cemetery committee leaison or anyone
else have some ideas or discussion on
this
>> item tonight.
>> I think we need an answer to
are we going to be able to move the
trails
um to to
Did you talk to the
people that gave us the grant for the
bike trail?
>> So, it's depending on how many how much
of the trails. If it's, you know, just
down at the south corner, that's easy
enough. We can move those trails to be
around it. If it's the whole project,
then there's a lot more to it at that
point.
>> So, for five years, we're limited
with how much we can do.
because
>> well it it like I said it depends on if
we're just doing a couple acres down at
the bottom, three acres, whatever the
trails that come into that, we can move
those trails and still stay in
compliance. Um the map that's in the
presentation and stuff like that shows
that whole area. That's where
there's a lot of things we have to work
with. So, we need to get with Curtis
then and get a
new
map of where we might use in the next
five years.
Is that true?
>> Yeah.
Yes. Yes. We we we need to show this is
what we'd be using. Um this is how we
would reroute those those mountain bike
trails. Um the only map I have right now
shows the whole property as part of
that. Um
and so I don't know where that is. If
it's the whole property, yes, it it we
have a grant and we have an agreement
with the with that grant that um limits
the possibilities.
>> Do we need to do something more along
the line of an RFP for this kind of
study? That's a significant amount of
money. Um
it seems like
and maybe there is only one company but
we're we haven't done anything.
So I I will tell you um we did research
a lot and asked a lot of other
communities and um we talked with Zans
Bank because that was one that
communities have used is Zans's Bank. Um
we actually talked with Zans's Bank um
just like we did with this company here.
Zans Bank um the communities that they
have done studies for um already have a
cemetery and so they're able to take the
information they already have the costs
are already using and then help plan for
the future. Um this company was a little
bit different. Um they've worked with
cities that don't have a cemetery that
want to either try to put in a cemetery,
a private or a partnership or however
and been able to go through and do a lot
of research not only in Utah but um
surrounding states and come up with a way to do that. Um
>> well
>> yeah, this is one of this is one of
those
>> that is a pretty limited um
company that can provide that kind of
service. Um
>> but we haven't put it out there for
anybody else either to find out.
>> No,
» we haven't. I it just is not a common
it's not a there's not a big wide
variety of companies that we know of
that do this. I mean having talked to
Zans is a big one that helps with
municipal finance like you said but but
even them they were like well we we do
fee studies you know like you're saying
if you've already got it in place and
you've got all the numbers information
for us we can calculate you know study
if your fees are at the right level
right now or whatever but not not as um
not as comprehensive or able to do as
big a scope
>> as this. Um, so
in our ordinances, in a purchasing
ordinance, there is a, you know, there's a whole section on
types of um goods or services that are um not don't lend themselves to wide a variety of of competitive
bidding that are like single source, you
know, that are or or specialty types of
services. And I think this is considered
that
So,
>> so anyway, yeah,
>> my big my big burden.
>> So, it sounds like the question before
us tonight is a little bit complicated
by the fact that we've got some
questions about the land itself, the can
the grants that we have already on it.
Um, I also feel like the question is
still out and I had an opportunity to
speak with Todd this past week. The
question is still out on what kind of
project is being envisioned by cemetery
committee and whether or not we need to
get a little bit more information before
we move forward with this. Um Todd, I
appreciate your email you um provided to
council or you sent to council where you
said that this might be the right thing
to move forward with. It might not be
the right thing to move forward with,
but that you were hoping to get some
more questions answered. Um and I agree
with that. I think that we have a few
questions that are out um that may
significantly impact the
feasibility study itself. It may be that
we do a feasibility study and we can't
move forward with the project for a
number of years and by that time that
feasibility study is not as realistic
with where the market's at. So, I've got
some concerns personally with um moving
forward with this project right now. Um
but
I don't know if it's appropriate to have
Todd speak with us a little bit. He's
the chair of our cemetery committee and
Eileen also is our liaison for that
committee. But do you have anything that
you would like to say? Um is that
appropriate? Are we able to do that?
Todd, would you like to
>> I mean, if you if there's something that
you want to add to this that we're not
considering or haven't mentioned, Todd,
>> I don't you don't have to. I mean, I
won't I won't expect us to call on you,
so it's okay.
>> Um,
>> I have one one comment.
>> Would you mind Do you mind coming on for
that?
>> I appreciate it.
the
this is kind of a detail, but the
discussion about the
um trails up there in the and I'm
assuming the map you're talking about is
in the RFP that we've been working on.
The RFP itself talks about the trails
and that they have to what they propose
has to work around the trails that are
there. So, it's not ignoring the trails.
So, but we want to obviously it's a top
item and I would like maybe with some of
the committee members be able to meet
with the people that the agency and the
stuff in the state government
that that's providing, you know, that
does that because I I really have a hard
time believing that a the contract would
be so ironclad that you if some if
they're doing a trail system somewhere
and some important thing came up that
they couldn't do something
to work around it. And so I wanna
>> Well, I think Darren was alluding to
that. He said he felt like if there's a
small I mean a small impingement seems
easy to solve,
>> but what's represented in the in the
document that you're you're currently
working on to put out for information is
the entire thing plus the rest of the
100 acres is highlighted.
>> Yeah.
Do you have a sense of the the size of
that project or what you're anticipating
long term in in your multiple phases?
Again, I if the answer is that you
haven't anticipated that yet, I don't
want to
>> right. We can get um the way we have
scoped it out about a thousand is a
thousand plots per acre pretty much. And
if it and if it's cremains, you get
about
three boxes for crees in what would be
one grave.
>> So 3,000 per acre
>> if it's if it's
>> so
>> or but but that would be in the ground
boxes because there's also other options
like doing um a short wall on the um
side. And so there's there's some
different options, but yeah, maybe
around two 2,000
burials of creines and
>> okay, it's not quite
>> not quite three
>> if
>> strictly speaking, but it there could be
mixes and matches where you could get
mixes and matches
>> depending on the
>> Yes. the situation. And and the other
thing that we're, you know, they tell us
is that more and more people are
choosing cremation. And so as years go
on, there may be more that wish to be
cremated than buried.
>> And I have to I just I have to wonder
what if we were to have a crem type of
place. I don't know.
>> There are a lot of people that still
want burials,
>> traditional burial. Um, so just think,
you know,
for for for services, let's just say ser
services of of deaths, they figure about
50
per
uh per 6,000
residents per year. So if you had
500 plots that would be you know
basically our city is about 6,000 you
know we have other people who have
already made arrangements outside of the
city so just you know projecting that
out based on our current um
>> that's right but in in the case of of
public private if a p private company
were to come in they would not confining
it only to Fruit Heights residents.
That's correct.
>> They're they're there for profit.
>> They and they will and they will take
however much land we allocate. Whereas
if we do it within the city without that
public private partnership or without
partnering with another city then then
we of course maintain
uh availability for a really long time.
>> Right.
>> So are we putting the cart before the
horse here though? Sounds like we might
and and and I want to I want to talk a
little bit about the balance here
because
um obviously I don't want the cemetery
committee to be so granular that we're
asking about every every detail.
>> Um but at the same time the question
before council and the one that I'm
hoping to get an answer for eventually
is what realistically the cost of a
project like this would be. Um and then
depending on that the options going
forward. So it's for me I can see this
kind of in two ways. We can we can get
really specific and have a very detailed
plan going in and then get a price model
for that. We can go in and kind of look
at it and because in your presentation
it was still and and correct me if I'm
wrong those questions are still being
explored.
>> Yeah. And actually you know we had like
six options. There's really only two
that we are seriously looking at. That's
>> in addition to keeping it with in the
city.
>> Yeah. The city and the the other one was
>> public private
>> and and or you know combining with
another city that maybe already has the
knowledge too. But the problem with
>> that represents a tax impact that
represents an increased cost.
>> There's three but but two of those
options do fill up the available space.
So that y
>> so that
>> okay so
>> I I have one more question for you um
Todd you know your presentation a couple
weeks ago you had some like engineering
work that we had uh able to complete in
a in one small area that that showed the
viability of can we actually easily dig
graves in this area. Are is are there
plans to continue to investigate uh some
of more broader areas where where we
might
>> we can do that
>> evaluate that?
>> Um we that was the area the area where
we did it was kind of the phase one area
that we had been exploring.
>> Um Curtis Tanner, he's on our committee.
He's kind of the expert in that area and
he's he's out of town right now so we
can't
>> but we can we can pursue that a little
bit more. I was frankly very s
pleasantly surprised at how well that
went
>> because
>> yeah that's one of the concerns. I've
spoken to several residents and they say that this it's too it's
impossible. It's too rocky. But if we do
some some testing like this, it would
kind of validate that whether it is or
it's not. So that's
>> Yeah, I think we could probably answer
that question by just digging a couple
of more pits
>> and
>> two or three more up on the south. And I think I think that's worthwhile
because um if I recall right
uh when they did the geological survey
for the rock loft ridge um they were
s they were surprised that that they
didn't have as many rocks as they
thought they would
>> in that I recognize they're two
different parcels of land but they're
not um they're not so far apart.
that they're like majorly different. So,
>> the walking along there looks rocky,
>> right?
>> So, that's where the I think that's
where the the feeling comes from.
>> And I think maybe some would have said
that about where the Rock Loft bridge
>> is is right now in the past. But
>> anyways, just
>> um being that the direction that you're
wanting to go is to investigate will is
there a private um sort of um company
that would respond to a request for
information and make some sort of a
proposal. Maybe isn't the right word,
but like indicate that they would, you
know, in a in a in a detailed fashion,
not just, hey, we're interested, but
like, you know, in a detailed fashion of
like how
much they I mean the proposal has to has
to elicit and solicit that kind of
detail. How many acres are actually
available? Does that interest them?
Would they want more? Is that enough?
What and what can we use up there? It's
not a hundred, you know, it's something
less than that.
>> And that
>> we've never implied as a hundred because
>> the picture implies it's not our intent
to apply that.
>> Okay. The photo that's included in the
document implies it. So, I I'm not I'm
not trying to start a fight there. I'm
just saying it needs a little bit of
cleaning up in order not to apply imply
that with the picture, but you know, all
I'm trying to say is like putting out
something that is specific enough that
you can get specific enough answers in
return
>> that they can be evaluated and maybe at
that point we approach or come back to
our LRB and say if if we received
something back from that, we want help
evaluating that against other options.
It
>> it might it might also be helpful to not
only do what you just indicated, but
also have
>> the the interested parties
talk to LRB just just to get more
information get
>> I think that would be helpful
>> for you know because
>> committee to talk to LB
>> you know as as you've said that maybe
this is the right path maybe LRB is the
right path Maybe maybe it's not.
>> I'd like to you you have indicated you
would like to ask more questions,
>> right?
>> And
myself, my feelings are that if we have
a committee that's been invested for
quite some time, it it does make sense
to have them try and see what they
think. You know, not they're not the
deciding voice necessarily, but
>> it would be nice just to see what they
think,
>> right?
what they think about what
>> lb about
>> oh okay
>> you know some of the questions that
>> um
you know taught it as had
>> okay
>> um
that's fair I I had I was able to have a
good conversation I've already talked
Thank you Todd I already related this to
Todd but this afternoon I was hoping to
have someone from LB here tonight just
so everybody knows I was really working
hard on that but they you know, a lot of
cities to be in. He said he had three
different places to be tonight and he
really would have liked to be here, but
sometimes it's just like that. Um, so I
did have an extensive conversation and
was able to ask him the questions that
you had emailed Todd and if just so
council is where this is all in the last
few hours, so I didn't have time to loop
everybody in, but I did ask them Todd's
questions that he had in the email. And
so, um,
I
I'm trying the best I can to represent,
you know, the information that I have
from him. But this proposal that they've
given here as I've said aims to
um
estimate a aims to evaluate cost of a
city built se sorry a city built and
maintained and owned and operated
cemetery that is um self- sustaining and
in other words pays for itself. That was
what this is trying to evaluate in in
terms of cost for everybody's
information. That was the model at the
time we asked for them to do a proposal.
That was what we were asking for. Things
have evolved since that time into this
other direction of asking of wanting to
solicit for private. I mean that private
company is going to do the same
calculation you know only for them
they're going to be how how much do we
pay to develop this and to uh create a
cemetery and then maintain it and
everything for how I'm not sure how many
number of years they would commit to and
come back and then also make a profit at
it because they're in it for profit and
so they're performing their same the
same type of calculation on their side
you know and then come back to to us
with that if they do. So, we'll we'll I
mean, that's the same thing going on
here at both um sides. If we um if we
want to put that out first, I'm fine
with that's fine. Let's let's put that
out and see what comes back. Maybe
that's the first step, but I think you
still need an independent analysis at
that point. more questions get raised
when that comes back about the
longevity, about the length of
commitment, about whether um it
eventually falls on the city because we
see examples of that all over the place.
So, it raises more questions and those
would need answering too and an
evaluation of anything that were to be
returned from that RFI would be
necessary and helpful,
>> right?
>> That would that would just be a
different proposal than this one here.
Sure.
>> So,
one of the things to always consider too
is that government frequently takes on
tasks that private does not want to take
on. That's why we have cityrun water and
city-run garbage pickup and those kinds
of things as well. So,
>> so you're speaking of a cemetery as a
utility. Some cities consider that the
case and others do not. And it is a
there is there I I don't think you can
find an example of a se city where a
cemetery even breaks even.
>> It just doesn't exist.
>> And why are people building private
ones?
>> Well, I think that often times their
profits come from the funeral services
because there's some they're a company
that provides those other services.
That's where they're making their profit
center on is that it's not on the on the
grave site and maintenance of a
>> park. Well, it sounds it sounds to me
like we maybe have some questions that
are going in different directions. The
question before council tonight is about
the LRB
and this proposal. Correct.
>> Yes. This proposal specifically. Yeah.
Um given that information, I don't know
that we do this in this section, but I
think that it would probably be wise for
us to table this and come back to um get
a little bit more input from cemetery
committee and then we can answer some of
those questions a little bit more
and not have this be quite as big of a
question because right now this feels
like we're talking about a lot of
different things and if we have
A feasibility study is what I would love
to see. I would love to see what I'm
asking our neighbors to pay for um and
what it would look like and are they in
favor of the kind of cemetery that we're
talking about. Um and those are the
questions that
I don't know that again they could be
answered by this study but without buyin
from the cemetery committee I'm not very
comfortable moving forward with that
right now. Well, the other thing is if
you we look down the agenda on our
citywide survey, one of the things that
was proposed that Darren sent us out was
to put a question about cemeteries in.
So,
>> correct.
>> That may be helpful as well.
>> Correct.
>> So, would the council
want to
>> are we jumping forward
again
thing? We I don't think it requires a
vote to say we can put that RFI out. It
just requires some leg work and
communication between committee and
staff. Um is that a direction the
council wants to direct staff to go
ahead and help that go forward?
>> Are you going to wait till the action
items or what do you
>> do you want to discuss that or not? You
know, I mean
>> I'm open to doing it however works best.
I just um wanted to make sure that cuz I feel like I've gotten a little bit
lost here that we are still just talking
about this um
proposal. Correct.
>> Well, yeah, that's yes. I I will say
like I just say the the we can vote yes
or no on this proposal. Let just in your
mind give council direction for what the
cemetery committee has been trying to
work on toward asking for u an RFI
request for information on uh private
companies um interest in the site um is
not necessarily a vote but we can
instead of you know we can give
direction in that. So I'm just putting
that out there. That's one of the things
you could do as a council tonight. Okay.
>> So on this,
>> I I I think that the question the the
answer to the the question of can can we
financially pay for this this is a this
kind of a study would would help to
answer that. But I I don't I agree that
I don't think we're ready to to ask
those questions quite yet because there
are still a lot of unknowns. So
>> okay. Um there are that's exactly right.
A lot of unknowns. Um
okay we'll go to 6.3 purchase of
telemetry
scattera. Is that what that is that says
there? SCADA. Is that how we say SCADA?
Uh telemetry system upgrade. Lane you're
going to help us understand?
>> Yes.
>> All these terms. Please go ahead.
>> So SCADA is the supervisor control and
data acquisition system. Basically what
it is is it it's the brains of the water
system. It it turns on our water pumps,
our chlorine feeders, our well. It's it monitors flows. Um
it's it's the brains of the system. So
it it runs automatically. It it gives me
alarms if there's an issue with the
system. Um out of power, it it does
everything as far as operating the
system. Um,
>> it's the it's the controls. It's the
control logic. It's the control brains.
It's the computer
>> that does it.
>> Exactly. Yep. So, the current system we
have is it was put in in the early 2000s
and computers have come a long way since
then. We we can't even get a lot of the
parts that we currently use to replace
if they do go bad. They have to be
rebuilt. I can't like and sometimes that takes weeks to do, right? So,
>> how old is our our system right now?
>> Uh, 2025 20 I think it's 25 years old.
So, I around right around 2000 it was
put in. So,
>> okay.
>> Um,
also with this new system, it's all
going to be tied into fiber. So, it's more secure. It can't get well,
it's a lot less likely to get
intercepted going through the city's
fiber. Um, it's a lot more secure. My
recommendation is to go with the MA
automation system that they provided um
of $75,22
>> and that has everything everything you
could wish for.
>> Everything that we need. Okay. Yes. Yep.
Yeah. It's it's uh you can you can get
way you you can go way above and beyond
and we we don't need to. I'm I'm
surprised they're more than $50,000
cheaper than the next bidder.
>> So are we.
>> So So are we. And I reviewed this
extensively with with Compute. He's he this is what he does over there. He really he reviews skate systems for
other cities and and other people that
use controls and he he was very
surprised at the price. Um but it's it's
equivalent or greater than the other
ones as far as what we're putting in.
So,
>> so, so the bid that came in from SKM and
APCO that were quite a bit more
>> same system,
>> same thing, same same equipment. I mean,
they have different
>> but but same same product, same same
abilities. Okay.
>> Probably different brands, but the same
functionality.
>> Yep. So,
>> and nobody's going to get mad because
we're using something from China, right?
No, I I mean I don't I don't know that
much about technology, so I'm really
relying on Computch here and and I I've
called on references for M8 and all of
them really and and none of them had bad
reviews, but M8 was
>> Yeah, nobody had he had extraordinary
reviews. So
>> I I assume this has a flexibility is
that we have you know new development
and we have to change our systems or we
have to send stuff up for the the animal
control or something like that. This has
the capacity to change and be flexible
with us.
>> This is this is strictly for the water
system.
>> This is our big water tank.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So it
>> what what I'm saying is as our water
needs change over time, this is this
system is flexible enough to adapt to
all those needs. Yes. Yep.
>> You can you can add to add to it. So, if
there was like a new pump or something,
it it's one of those things that can be
added right into the system. We don't
have to buy a whole new system for it to
>> Did we Did we
discuss or did they talk about how much
extra IO they would have in the system,
input output type stuff? Did do they did
they indicate anything like that?
Cap as far as water capacity.
>> No, as far as like adding components as
like adding a pump or adding a
>> adding adding just being a little bit
more flexible because if they
>> if they have a panel and they have this
much stuff to put in the panel,
>> yes,
>> then they cannot possibly put any the
flexibility is low. But if they have a
panel this big and they put this much in
there, they have a lot of flexibility.
That's what I'm talking about.
>> So, the panel we're taking out is is
huge. The one that's going back in is
small. So, if So, yes, there is room to
add add to it. It's flexible. I did I
asked this question. We we can if we
ever have a need for another tank, we
can put more pumps on it. Yes.
>> Yeah, that's that's what I'm asking is
>> perfect. We can add
>> the way they they add that is through
>> Yes. IO, which is
>> that's not in the in the bid, but I did
that was verbally mentioned.
>> You may just want to
>> ask. I mean, I I I think you've done a
fantastic job, by the way, researching
this out. That That's a great price. I
think you've
>> agreed.
>> This is awesome. Okay, good.
>> Yeah, it's way below way below budget.
So,
>> well done. Yeah.
>> Anything else from council on this right
now? Thank you. Yep.
>> Okay. Thanks so much, Lane. Thanks her
for your work keeping our water flowing
and clean.
>> Thank you.
>> Are you staying up here for trailer or
are you going back down?
>> Oh, yeah. Maybe you're staying right up
here. We're going to
>> just hang out.
>> Sell us on it. Come on.
>> Purchase of 6.4 purchase of public works
trailer replacement.
So, the current equipment trailer that
we use, it it is capable of hauling the
mini excavator around, but it's it's
right at the limit. And I'm it's to be
honest, it's becoming a safety issue.
We, you know, we we have attachments
that go with us to these jobs.
Granted, it's not far from the shop, but
it's it's we're almost overloading the
trailer when when we take it. So,
>> our recommendation is to to purchase
another trailer. It'll have an
additional axle. It'll be gooseeneck.
>> This wasn't the trailer that was used
for the float, was it?
>> No. No. No. Different trailer. Different
trailer. The new
>> Hold the Old North Church just fine.
>> Yeah.
>> The new trailer we're proposing is it's
gooseeneck. It's three axle. Um
>> I've looked at them. They seem like
great trailers. I They're
>> Is it Is it the intent to keep the the
old one as well?
>> No. No. I I will sell it. We don't I
don't need another trailer. So,
>> okay.
>> So, that'll be put back into the vehicle
service fund.
>> Yes. Yep. Yep. And I've and I've got a
rough price for what it'll sell for. He
said maybe seven. We're hoping for
7,000. So,
>> are you going to just Are you trading
that in or you going to put it for sale?
>> I think I can get more out of it if I
put it for sale through through the city
and not trade it in.
>> Yeah.
I think you're right.
>> Yeah. So, that was my plan.
So,
>> so um and no one is in public works is
related to uh Mac trailer box
>> raw max raw max
>> or yeah raw match
>> not that I'm aware of. I I I I say that
almost in in Jess because actually I was
reading minutes from another city a
while back and they they voted to buy a
new trailer just similar to to this kind
of thing and then they found out that
one of the city council members actually
owned company the trailer was being
bought from and I'm like
>> that seems like a conflict.
>> It's raw max. It's not raw moss. So I
think we're okay on this side. We're
okay. Thank you.
>> Not not to my knowledge. So, yeah, my
recommendation,
>> I'm sure you're fine.
>> Purchase a new trailer at the cost of
$18,148.
>> Again, under what you said, 28,000 was
budgeted for a new utility vehicle for
parks and using that budget for this
instead. We're $10,000 underneath that
amount. So, great job again there.
>> Good. Good work.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. Item 6.6.
Okay. Letter for the fifth. Fifth.
>> Oh, number 6.5.
>> Oh gosh. I see. Okay. Thank you, Gary. I
skipped 6.5. Uh,
sorry. Award bid for citywide survey.
>> So, Darren's gonna
>> Yeah,
>> mayor and council, uh, we put out for
the RFP for a a survey. We had, um, 17
companies.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. um that actually bid on the the
project.
>> Uh
the the ones that we reviewed were
within the what we budgeted as a city.
Uh the ones that were up and above that
um we did not review those. I actually
did go through them and score them
myself. Um but uh we weren't within the
budget area. I used uh seven or eight
um that were in the within the budget
that we did. Um I had um seven
individuals including myself uh score
each one of them. Um the the scoring um
came back within just about either the
same score or within a point different.
Um and looking at we scored on uh scope
of work
uh cost uh reference references
experience. Can we can we work with
these companies to help like for the you
know one of your questions on the
cemetery um I think the cemetery
committee has explored so many things
that we have some specific things we'd
like answers to um so rather than being
really broad-based can we help with that
or do they just like put something
together no
>> answers to specific
>> right it so part of The RFP states
here's the basic topics um that were
asked of the council or that's been
talked about um
that they had questions. Okay. Is the
whole thing you want 20 questions just
on this? How do you want to break it up?
Um, yes, the council can give a a a a
better subject and I I'm hoping we can
talk about that maybe tonight a little
bit to bring it more in line because
each one of these is pretty broad um
>> well yeah
>> broad subject. A cemetery is a pretty
broad subject.
>> It is. And I'm looking at parks, trails,
and recreation and I'm thinking, you
know, they could go right back in and
say, you know, we should put trails on
people's property and the council has
said we don't want to put trails on
people's property. So why answer why ask
the question? Cuz
>> well I I think some of it is you're
asking the question do do they want more
trails in the city? Do they want more
enemies or enemies? NO, WE DON'T WANT
ANY more enemies. Do we want more things
at the park? Do we want
>> uh more playgrounds?
>> Yes.
>> All those different things are at the
park. basketball courts
>> or basketball courts or or you know or
is there some you know is there
>> so all the companies I mean going
through them um they all have kind of
have their their own approach uh not
necessarily um but there there's a lot
of sim similarities in all of those and
as you as you kind of go through that um
just looking at the scores um
somebody may have gave oh man looking at
the references scored everything yet
when they scored their scope of work it
may be a lot lower because it didn't
match up to to all the you know things
that they were expecting. Uh and so um
each one of the the companies you know
has a chance to um call and talk to uh
and go through and ask questions. That's
what I have been doing. Um I haven't got
all of them back yet. I haven't got um
but I I kind of limited it down to the
top five, six and and the price range
for those ones there. Um in between
that. Um and then after we can get the
questions and all those kind of things,
I I could probably have it a lot better.
Um
>> but I also would like to get started. Um
>> yeah, without another two week
>> delay. I I was hoping I could get a lot
of it back. couple more days to ask a
couple more questions basically and then
we could if council can approve
something
>> you know um within
>> a range of that they're comfortable with
and that he can allow him to make that
decision within a few more days then uh
it avoids another two week delay
>> and there's there's things some of them
um you go through it you know they
>> aren't mailing out postcards one of them
is or two of them are which I think is a
really good thing um and So there's
costs for those
>> specific subjects that we're
>> Yeah.
There there are five five subjects
that uh when we put the RFP together
that um we wanted to talk uh that you
want your survey to be about um no
longer than 15 minutes because once you
go past that point
>> um
>> you don't get your answers. You don't
get anybody back with you. So there
there's a lot um honestly there's a lot
to it as you're going through it and
you're
>> and reading all those things
>> unbiased
>> and yeah very much uh I mean there there
are some that are in Utah and there are
some that are out of state and so there
there's just a lot of moving parts to
this
>> and this survey is going to be used as
part of our general plan so we're not
duplicating that.
>> Well the general plan has its own open
houses and its own all those things
going on too. um and part has a survey
part of it um where they're calling for
um public input and stuff like that. So
I think we'll have less general plan
questions and we're going to have more
citywide questions.
>> Sure. Future
>> is where you know where do we see
envision of the city going? Um all those
kind of things that will just help us
get information. Well, other than I mean
there's only two items on here that
really wouldn't be gerine to a general
plan. I mean, election process and
emergency services, which would probably
be included even in a small way in
there. But, uh, the concern that I've
had and the concern that I want to
address is the fear of bias when it
comes to questions about how we ask
questions. Um, are we are there things
in the question that may or may not have
biased? And the answer is really truly
there isn't a way to ask questions
without some bias in it. So in what ways
are we going to do the very best to get
the the question out and get the answer
back that we can then wrestle with and
say, you know,
>> are they going to be attempting to
survey every household?
So all of them have said that they would
send out um notification to as many
households they could in for rights um
if whether that's just taking the
utility billings and using those address
um buying the election um item that they
can buy for those that are
>> data that there's there's some different
options that are available um which are
once again they come to a cost
>> in in larger cities they would not send
to every household. They would take size
in smaller a city our size. I think it
is not without precedent to ask a
company to send to every household and
that
um you know just to hit the matrix that
we're required. um you you end up
sending it out to a lot of people to
meet those um different matrix and you
may send it out and you may you may be
short and so you send out a second
reminder saying hey we we need responses
and then you send them out um and then
making sure that uh
>> and and
>> it requires you know you're a FH city
resident or a property owner um so
there's there's just a lot and
>> I We want to do some pre, you know, some
prep work to to the community via the
ridge runner.
>> I'm actually in the Runner this time
going to put out that a survey will be
coming.
>> Um, be aware
>> um because I want people to start
thinking about that
>> uh and so we're going to have it in the
runner this month and we'll have it in
the rich runner next month and and
hopefully throughout September October
we will be pushing out a lot of
information for people to um be
involved.
>> Um so
>> I I guess what I I'm really asking is
for the council to uh approve an amount
um not to go above so I can finish the
research and then hire somebody um is
what I what I'm trying to do so we can
continue to move forward.
>> Could you
if we did something like that could we
also add that we would like
I don't know. I don't know if it works
for you to call the council members and
tell them I've decided to award the bid
to blah blah blah.
>> Oh, yeah. I I would definitely would.
>> Um and I will tell you why.
>> I' we've done that in the past is to to
put kind of that kind of constraint. Um,
I I don't feel like that's a crossing a line of an open and public meeting
because if if we're going to spend this
amount of money and we're doing we're
and we approve that tonight, I think
it's just the
>> Oh, yeah. I No, I I definitely would.
Um, like I said, there there's a lot of
questions that I I put out. I'm waiting
for the answers to come back or um I may
they may have a question back to me and
I and going back to them. It's turned
into a a
>> lot.
>> I I was hoping, you know, everybody'd
score it and we'd have one big
>> clear,
>> yep, this is the person and, you know,
the scores would show that um but the
scores were very tight and um through
the whole thing for just this company or
this company and and and it was just a
lot more challenging um than I thought.
So then we started asking questions.
Okay, I got this question, this question. Um, and so I'm
trying to take that opportunity to get
those questions. I just honestly I did
not feel comfortable tonight to say this
is what I really think we should do. Um,
I really didn't because I just don't
have the information.
>> But at the same time, you don't need two
more weeks either. Like
>> the second part is is we want to get a
decision
>> and so we can start
>> moving forward and getting things
working. Um the second part of that is I
was hoping you know maybe that there are
some questions the council had to narrow
it down. Now it's not asking the
question but it's narrowing the topic
down to just a little bit tonight. And
so that would be part of that. Um just
saying
>> sure
>> on this one maybe we want to know this this
>> or that that I can also put in there. Um
they um all the companies um will be
responsible for the questions. Um that's
their
>> that's
» we don't we don't not write the
questions ourselves. No.
>> And so that's their expertise. Um but
they they all said um that
>> narrowing the subjects down a little
bit. Um
>> because they there they are pretty
broad. I will tell you that they are
pretty broad. just kind of narrowing
down. And if the if there's really not a
lot of questions about the general plan
because we're going through that
process, then we use those questions on
the others.
>> Sure.
>> Because we can narrow it down and say,
"Okay, we maybe we want six questions
here, five questions here,
>> um four questions here, and just kind of
narrow it down to that to to keep it to
the 25 to 30 questions is what they're
saying. Um, every one of them is pretty
much saying that's the max. you won't
know no more than 30 questions because
and and then also along with that they
want to make sure your questions if you
have a big open-ended question it's
going to take a lot longer for people to
answer that. So you want to make sure
you're you're
trying to keep the questions pretty
>> straightforward.
>> So the the amount of you're asking for
is something less than 14,000. That's
the max. The max one that um out of the that group was Yeah. was 14.
>> You can get a really good survey done
for something $14,000 or less.
>> Yes.
>> And the delta between the low the low
bidder and that 14 was only $2,400. So,
this isn't a question necessarily of
huge amount of money. It just might be
>> which which one is going to meet the
needs of the community best.
>> The the bids came in from
um about 115 I believe to 62,000.
>> 62.
>> Yeah.
>> Was an outlier.
>> So there there's a huge range there. Um
and even even on the RFP I I gave them
this is the budget.
>> Um and so um we we really looked at the
ones that looked at the RFP and said
yes, I can do it within the budget. Now,
uh, if we were to say yes and allocate
that funding, um, could we get a report
on it at the next meeting, the short
report of who
>> Well, yeah. Once I make that decision, I
would actually just let everybody know.
>> But, but for the public, can we can we
have a little
>> on the next one, I just report this is
the company what we went with at the
next meeting.
>> So, you need us to answer a few
questions about specific questions.
>> Yeah. I just I'm the topic
>> or just like more narrow topic
>> just just kind of on the topic. What kind of questions for the park?
>> I mean do you want to see more
playgrounds? Do you want to see baseball
diamonds? Do you want to,
>> you know, do you want to see more parks?
>> Sure.
>> I mean those kind of things. Um
>> what would you like to see?
>> Trails. Trails.
>> What What would you like to I mean that
narrows it down really good. What would
you like to see with your parks?
>> Um
>> Sure. where where do you see the you
know emergency services first of all are
we happy with our emergency services I
mean I think that's important is the
community happy with the emergency
services we're using do we do we need to
look do we need to you know because they
they've increased
>> this might be a terribly dangerous
question to ask but I would like a
question about how um the public feels
about their elected officials.
>> You can do that in the middle of this.
>> Not not maybe not so super specific, but
I would like to see if if if people are
feeling
>> confident, you know, election process,
>> election process,
>> you know, it comes up in those kind of
questions.
>> Okay. So,
>> caucus or primary uh we are the last
city in the state to keep doing caucus.
>> Yeah. I mean, so there's a serious I
mean that that is I think that deserves
asking. the previous survey has been un
under some criticism from some members
of the council and this is an
opportunity to
>> yeah it's an opportunity to ask the same
question. So
>> term limits same deal
>> but I I just think there's just a few
ideas or a few questions with those
topics and then they can take those and
um really research the question or
research how to write a question or come
up with four or five questions. So
great.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you, Darren.
Okay. Now, 6.6 letter for the fifth local option sales tax support.
Okay.
This one is
um a topic that is out there in our
county right now. I'm going to see if I
can explain this for the public and for
your benefit. Um
possibly for the council, too. I it took
me a couple of meetings, you know, we
Darren and I were both invited to work
meetings on this where we had um you
know, smart people explaining it to us
and opportunity to ask questions. So,
I'm going to try to bring that
information um here tonight to you. Um
the question before us is whether to
submit the a letter. I've got a letter
uh written of support that from our city
of supporting this the the adoption of
this um local option sales tax by our
county. It's the county that would be
adopting this, not our city. Just to be
clear, counties are authorized by the
state legislature to adopt this local
option sales tax. um just from a high
level view. Okay. Sales taxes are
collected by the state as we know and
then distributed out to cities and and
counties based on a formula that
involves half of it being based on the
point of sale where the sales tax was
collected and half of it being awarded
based on population of your city. And so
we don't get a whole lot from point of
sale obviously although it's always
brought up Amazon purchases count but um
population we're also small so we you
know but that's anyway that's a longer
discussion that's how sales taxes are
divided local option sales taxes are are
options that are approve that are
authorized the legislature authorizes
counties to um adopt or enact that um a certain percentage um and that money
will stay in that locality in that
county and it's in in in most cases it's
divided up in some fashion between
county and cities. Um this started many many many years ago with a first
quarter, a second quarter, a third
quarter and a fourth quarter. Quarter
meaning it's a quarter of 1% is the
amount of that sales tax. Okay. So these
are always focused on supporting um
transit or transportation funding in the
locality in the case of local option
sales tax in the county where they're
adopted whether that's um distributed to use the money for um from the county
level for transit or transportation
projects or
u distributed back to individual cities
for their transportation or transit um
needs. um those first four quarters are
all focused on on transit or
transportation in some fashion and
divided up. Those are already enacted.
Those are already part of our the sales
taxes that we pay. And to be clear,
because it was asked of me earlier, um
this does not apply to purchases of
food, gasoline, or of real estate. So
those three things, sales taxes do not
apply to those three things. So we're
not talking about groceries or gas. um
or selling your house in this in this
case, but other goods and services where
sales tax does apply. Okay.
So, the fifth fifth is the one currently
before us now and um
>> it's called a fifth fifth because it's a
fifth of a percent.20.
>> So, this document says Weber County, but
this is it's for Davis County. It's the
equivalent.
>> I'll mention that it's the same. Yeah,
it's the same.
So, this is a document um from off of
the website of uh Wasach Front Regional
Council that's explanatory. Anybody can
pull this up um if you search for it at
um at home too, but it's here. And um
I'm going to try to explain this. The
fifth fifth is called such as I said
because it's a fifth. It's not a
quarter. It's it's 20 uh or 0.20%.
And so just right off the bat, I'll say
in dollar amounts in terms of how much
that adds to um a purchase that equates
to two cents on a $10 purchase or 20
cents on a $100 purchase. And you can do
the math going up. It's not very much.
Um but um it is and and to let's see can
you can you go past the text? Do you
have the next one where it's a little
bit more visual for for this?
>> So, just to be clear, it's not just
purchases inside of Fruit Height City.
It's purchases anywhere in the
>> throughout the county. Correct.
Throughout the county. This would apply
throughout Davis County. So, um the 20%
um is would be divided up between cities
and counties in this fashion. So, 05%
would come to cities. Okay. Okay. Now,
that would come directly to us. It's not
something we have to apply for or bid
for against other cities in our county.
So, that for Fruit Heights and for any
city, that's a plus, right? It comes
straight to us. Um, and in dollar terms,
it's estimated, uh, where things are
right now, that's about $44,000 a year
that would come to our city that we
would be able to use toward our roads,
um, sidewalks, trails, transportation,
broadly defined. Okay. Um going down to
the um the bottom there, the F.05
would go to the county
um for to be used for transportation and
public and or public safety. So the
county could use that on transportation
or transit um things. Transit meaning
buses um bus service or or trains or
trams and things like that. That's
transit, right? and transportation
includes roads, bridges, sidewalks, um
trails, all those things. And that would
go to the county for um use use from that from their level,
right? Okay. So then that takes care of
half of it. So then the middle box
there, the 10%
um that's where this is this this is
where we're talking about why this has
suddenly come up right now for Davis
County. So, it's interesting. I hope I
explained this correctly. The
legislature built a timeline into this
bill. Um, and there was a a timeline
that would be triggered um at the point
when a certain number of counties had adopted this tax. Okay. Weber County
just recently adopted this tax and they
were the the one that put it over that
threshold and triggered a three-year
time clock if you want to say it that
way. Okay. So they they made uh made it
so this number of counties have now have
now adopted it. Now there's a time clock
three years from the time when in this
case Weber County um adopted that tax.
for three years. The legislature will
allow counties to use um that middle
um10%
as um
uh for and that so that goes from till
October 2029 for any purpose determined
by the county commissioners. So that
goes way beyond public safety or
transport, transit or anything else. for
any purpose they determine for three
years. Legislature says for three years
you can use it at your discretion and
after which so then you see it split
again up there on the diagram after that
point which is now um going to be
October 2029
um that that middle 10% will be divided
this way and it will go uh the top one
says 05 to transit again within the
county. All of this stays within the
county determined by the county
legislative body for transit and the
other 0.05 5 goes to the TTIF commuter
rail sub account. Um, which I believe, I
hope I'm not mistaken saying this, I
think that's aimed at um, frontr runner
updates with the Olympics coming. Um,
there is a um, a push and a hope and and
work toward getting um, the front runner
basically twice as efficient, twice as
many rides, twice as many um, twice as
often as it is now. And that involves
double tracking in along several places.
So that's an expensive project. Part of
that lies within our county. This money,
some of that money here, this 05 would
after three years go into a sub account
toward that. So um so the reason this is
up right now is because the time clock
has started. Davis County is saying,
"Hey, if we if we act now, we can use
three years worth of this revenue on
anything that at our discretion and we
have some needs we'd like to use it on."
The ones that were enumerated to us in
meetings included um county jail
expansion and updates. Correct me if I'm
wrong, Darren, from what you recall. Um
jail and the justice center um and
housing for um county employees there,
attorneys and others associated with
that work. Um,
remind me if I'm missing anything on
that list. There's some projects that
they wanted. I don't know if animal
shelter fits under that. She mentioned
earlier they are going to be asking for
funds, but
>> question
>> that equals Yes, just one second. That
equals that portion
in numbers um is estimated at pull it
off this paper. I think 8 million
that 10% that would go to the county and
be discretionary for three years and
then thereafter be divided in those
other two ways. So it's a significant
amount. Um what's your question David?
So, uh, Commissioner Kamalu was here at
the beginning of the meeting. Um, but
she didn't say specifically about this,
uh, uh, issue. Is is are we aware if our
county commissioners are in support of
this effort and we're we're trying to
show our support for them? What's I'm
just curious what the purpose of this
is. the county commissioners would uh
appreciate. No, they they would like to
of course take advantage of this
opportunity because obviously it
represents um an income stream that is
um that that does not require property
tax raising in order to accomplish major
projects for residents. We all use law
enforcement and justice and and all the
other things, right?
um the other the other options to pay
for that would be the property tax
raise. So they would like to use it but
they would also like to feel supported
and feel buy in and feel that residents
are okay with that.
>> Okay. Um, so just to highlight a little
bit here, um,
factors that that that go into this
property tax, sales tax, income tax,
we're not really talking about that one
right now, but these these taxes work
differently.
A property tax hits only the people who
live and own property here. And which
means only residents of Davis County.
And um of course we all are aware
property tax just just occurred um
recently within our county. A sales tax
um is different than that, right? It
captures sales. So, anyone visiting from
outside the county, purchasing
something, staying in a hotel, buying
anything, buying a ticket to Lagoon or
whatever, we have thousands and
thousands of visitors to our county um
every year because of the many cool
stuff, cool things we've got here.
Cherry Hill, I'll say, um, and those
from outside the county, then you're
harnessing that income stream from from
expenditures that others make and not
just s placing it on residents with
property taxes. So, that is that is um
advantageous to us. Of course, it's
Davis County residents. We also travel
to Weber County and Morgan County and
Cash County, all these other, you know,
we're paying this tax in their counties.
And so, you know, they can this allows
them to pay it in our county when they
come and support our own transportation
um needs and other other various needs
that this might be spent on. So, it
harnesses um that and it doesn't fall as
heavy on just our residents. you're you're accessing a um a revenue
stream that is far more diversified, far
more, you know, from outside the county
and things like that. And um and that
doesn't require you can accomplish some things for residents without having
to levy uh or um increase the property
tax that's on their property right now.
Um, you know, I know that none of us
generally speaking are like, "Yay, more
taxes." You know,
uh, I'm I don't, you know, I don't
relish that at all. But, uh, the reality
is we have a community. We have growing
community needs and things do cost more
money all the time. And these are
services that benefit us all. um
fire and and police and the uh other
things that of safety um jail things
like that, you know, do we want to say,
"Oh, you know, let's not um do this and let's just keep our jail, you know,
in a place where it's going to be
underfunctioning and then they don't
have room to keep whoever they they've
got to just release, you know, whoever
it is into the community and and that's
not probably a situ right? We want to
keep up with what the needs are for
safety and for public needs. Um, and
that's where um where this can be
advantageous without as heavy a burden
as a as a property tax increase feels
often to many people.
>> Um, mayor,
>> so I've tried to explain that as best I
can. It's a little complex, I know, but
yeah,
>> I think some of the that I understood
was that um the county commissioners um
wanted um the cities to support it um
because they're also getting money from
this um before they said, "Yeah, we're
100% in support of this." Um if the
cities aren't in support of this, um I I
would bet they will not do it. But if
the cities are in support of this and um
want to continue to move forward, this
is what that is saying is that uh Fruit
Heights is in support of this. Um
and and having it move forward. It's
just that's that's kind of the the
understanding I had from the the
meetings that I was in.
>> Yeah.
>> On this portion of it.
>> And there is a lot to this. it it it
takes a little bit to kind of go through
it and
>> get it. Um, and there was always a lot
of questions when we went through it.
Um, but yeah, it's just one of those
items that
>> When does the when does the county
commission plan to vote on this? Do you
know?
>> I I I think they're going to have
another probably another work session.
>> I don't know. They don't have a vote
scheduled right now.
>> Yeah, they don't have one voted. um they their comment was is if the
>> cities are are willing to support this
and say they're willing to support this
then we will really take a hard look at
it and
move that way. Um if the if the cities
aren't supporting it um they don't even
though they may want it they they don't
know what they'll do. So that's my
understanding from the the meetings I
was in. So,
>> thank you.
>> You know, and and as far as visitors to
our county, as I mentioned, I mean, we
do have Cherry Hill and of course, and
sometimes we have events that come
through in the past. We've had the the
bike ride. What was that one called? The
Anyway, um we when visitors come through
from other counties, you know, they're
using our roads and our trails and our
infrastructure and things. So it it
makes some sense that we um access
sharing that sharing that load of you
know money that can help maintain those
uh that infrastructure. Um that's p you
know being paid for by some of their
spending dollars as well as our own. Um
of course it includes us too. We're not
exempt from it. We we live and shop here
as well. Um so
um
let's see what other I I think that's
about as complete explanation as I can
offer. Are there thoughts from the
council on supporting
um or not supporting or or further
questions about this tax before we
>> So this is what we'd be voting on is
sending a letter to our county saying
Brute Heights is in support of this or
Fruit Heights is or remaining silent
or would we if we were not in support of
this do you send a letter or do you
>> time to talk
Yeah.
>> What's that, Eileen?
>> So, another choice is to table it for
two weeks. It only got on our agenda
yesterday afternoon, and I think a lot
of people were not aware it's there. Um,
we've had a we've had a lot of, um,
information saying why we should do it.
Um, I haven't heard cons. Um, and I'd
like to have the opportunity to have
more discussion.
Um, that's what this time is for. This
is for discussion.
>> Well, the I can think of some cons right
now.
>> Discussion outside of our city council
meeting with members of the community
and with county commissioners. I mean,
we've represented what they're saying,
but
I'd like to discuss it with them.
» Do you have do you have a um WFRC or
anyone else? Have they asked for a
timeline
on on getting a recommendation letter?
>> Um
I think just as soon as soon as may be
uh just because the timeline the
timeline I described that the time clock
you know that had that has started that
the county is looking at um is ticking
ever since we were
>> ever since ever since voted to to say
yes.
>> Yeah. So this the longer we delay it
just means like the less window of
opportunity there is to capture that
revenue and use it for the benefit of
our county and our residents. So
yeah, I there there's no deadline
imposed or or asked of us other than
that that I know of. It's just that
that's that's the reality that's there.
is a clock that's ticking on that
of opportunity. So
» Gary, you have some thoughts on this?
>> Um, I I I have no problem with
tableabling it and hearing I I it's uh
you know, we don't we don't know
everything. It's nice to hear just what
other people might
have against it. um or you know hear
some some differing opinions just
and bring it bring it back in two weeks.
» David, any thoughts?
>> No more questions.
>> Okay,
>> Blake, anything? I'm just a little bit
concerned about the framing of it being
that this is better than a a different
type of tax because we don't have to go
through a truth in taxation potentially.
Um
>> it's a good point
>> that um I don't think that and the
timeline there of 3 years where the um
county commission is able to make
decisions with it that could potentially
be funding that goes almost anywhere.
Um, I don't feel like that is the
to my mind I don't love the idea that we
don't have a specificity on that on that
use rather than that there would be a
timeline that that would then be used
for transportation. With that being
said, I do support
um
making sure that our transportation is
safe and that we are prepared for the
Olympics and that we have those things
in place. I would I would also prefer to
have a little bit of time to dig into
this. It's not, you know, if you say
that on $10 this is two cents, that
really is not something that I think
most of us would just say, well, okay.
Um, but uh whenever we're talking about
taxes, I think that we need to have a
little bit more data to
bring to our neighbors and to the
residents that we represent.
>> Um, even though this is just this isn't
a vote on saying yes to that tax. This
is a vote on supporting or not
supporting, but um I'm a little bit
uncomfortable.
>> Okay, I'm a little uncomfortable with
that. So, the county um I've not been on
to the county website about this only
because I've been in the meetings
anyway. So, I feel like I've received
some information. they'll they'll I'm
sure they have resources to bring out um you know further things to maybe that would
um elucidate
better than I have um whatever those u
things are that they would be wanting to utilize these resources for in our
county. Um as I say, I'm I'm the ones
that I've mentioned here were mentioned
in the meetings I was in. It may or may
not be a complete list of what the needs
are and this money could be um utilized
for. So that's um
further information that could be could
be um obtained, I'm sure. Um
the
uh well, I guess maybe that's all I all
I need to say about that. Um,
is there where's Oh, where is there um
before moving to the next is that is
that everything that is there anything
else you want to mention? I think we've
gone we've gone down the row. So, thank
you very much. Um,
if Commissioner Kamala were still here,
she could probably answer some of that,
but that's all right. Um, action items.
We'll go to 7.1.
We've already taken care of that one.
>> Yeah, we've taken care of that one.
We're going to move past that. And thank
you, council, for taking care of that
one. 7.2.
>> Make a motion to table the LRB cemetery
financial proposal.
>> I'll second that.
» A motion from Eileen and a second from
Gary on tableabling the LB proposal for
now. Is there discussion on that before
voting?
Okay. Um, all in favor of that motion,
please say yes.
>> Yes.
>> Any oppose say no.
>> That motion passes 4 to zero. Um, that
item will be tabled be revisited perhaps
later at a later date. Um
7.3 purchase of telemetry SCADA system
upgrade
>> to award the bid to M8 automation for a
total amount of $75,22.
Second.
>> Have a motion from Eileen and a second
from Blake. Any further questions or
discussions there?
>> Yeah, I want to I want to just discuss
one quick thing.
>> Lane, um
maybe in your conversations with them if
you can just see how much additional
capacity they have to add to be just a
little bit more just to be flexible just
to make sure that we're flexible. I know
that you've already kind of checked
that, but just
>> how how much more weight can this
trailer hold than what you have?
>> No, this is No, this is this is this is
Sorry, this is a skater. Thank you. So,
all I'm all I'm saying is
>> let's move it on. Um
if if if we need to add a little bit of
money to to make it a little bit more
flexible for future needs,
maybe maybe you come back to the council
for a little bit additional.
If that's if that's needed, if you deem
that's needed, I think 15 20% would be
completely adequate.
So, I I'm more than happy to go to him,
but with the conversations I've had with
him, this this system's flexible. We we
can add and I mean, yeah, it's going to
cost us to add, you know, put on I mean,
it's going to be more
>> wiring, more computers, more more all
that, but
>> I recognize that this this is maybe a
moot point
>> and I'm completely supportive of this
>> this bid. Um I'm backing it 100%. I'm
just saying that if if you find that for
some reason we need
some more just a little bit more money
to make it a little better because but
it sounds like it's already taken care
of.
>> Yeah, but I I can ask him. I can talk to
him.
>> That's I'm just asking you to
>> be real comfortable.
>> Just be Yeah, just just ask one more
question.
Terry, do you mind if I ask what the
concern is? Is this about compatibility
going forward that we might have a
system that is closed?
>> It's not it's not compatibility. It's future needs that if we expand or
we do something have an additional pump.
So, just my background, I I I
have to my in my line of work, I have to
uh get my equipment to I'm not the guy
that does it, but I I'm the manager that
has to get people to do it. And I have
ran I have run out of space.
And it it's horrible because it's super
cheap at this phase to put in extra
space.
And and so I know that we it's probably
there, but it's so cheap right now. I
just want to I want you to just ask the
question.
>> Yeah.
>> And if we need to add a little bit more
money later,
it'd be awesome to do it now.
>> So I can I'll ask him. I'll talk to him
tomorrow.
>> Okay.
>> Thanks, Gary. Good thoughts.
>> Uh further did you did I hear something
down here?
>> We had a motion. Did we get a second?
Yes, it was you. Yeah, it was you.
>> You were the second. I was second.
Sorry. I was say I was about to second
it again. I'm just like I second this
motion forward.
>> I have a motion from Eileen, a second
from Blake, and a second. Second from
Mike.
>> I think that's a third at that point
now. So,
>> all in favor of this motion, please say
yes.
>> Any oppose, say no.
>> Motion passes unanimously. Thank you.
Council of 7.4, for purchase of public
works trailer replacement.
>> Motion to purchase public works trailer
replacement.
>> Second
from Rawax
>> from Rawax.
>> Romax
>> trailers,
148
>> for 18,148.
>> Second. Oh,
>> I already have a second from David.
>> I already got it early. We're all
seconded.
>> Beat you to the punch. So, I have a I
have a motion from Gary, a second from
David. Is there any further question or
discussion on this item?
Okay. All in favor of this motion,
please say yes.
>> Yes.
>> Any oppose, say no. Motion passes four
to zero.
Um, thank you, council. And we'll go
turn the page over. 7.5 award bid for
citywide survey. In this case,
um, not awarding a bid, but do I have a
motion for what was described earlier to
approve an amount?
>> Motion motion to appropriate $14,000 for
a city-wide survey.
>> It's already appropriated.
>> Motion to approve.
>> Award approved.
>> Is that sufficient language wise?
>> Approve is good. You got that.
>> Motion to approve award for $14,000 for
a citywide survey.
>> Have a motion from Blake. Do I have a
second there?
>> Second.
>> I have a second from David. Thank you.
Is there further discussion or question
on this or comment?
Okay. All in favor of this motion,
please say yes.
>> Yes.
>> Any opposed? Say no.
>> No.
>> Motion passes by a 3 to one vote.
Uh Gary voting against, other three
voting in favor.
Um, thank you council. That passes of
7.6 a letter for uh fifth fifth local
option sales tax um support. Uh I should
say letter to the county I guess but
>> do I have a motion on this
>> to table a letter for the fifth fifth
local option sales tax support?
>> I have a motion from Eileen to table. Is
there a second for that motion?
>> I'll second that.
>> Have a second from Gary. Is there
further comment, discussion or question
on this um on this item?
>> Is there uh are there more I read
through all of the links that we had,
but I still had questions about this. Is
there an
I'll reach out to Commissioner Kamalu as
well, but I'd like to just get if you
know of any better or other sources of
information that I can reach out to. Um,
Commissioner Croft is hosting a
information thing on this on Thursday
night from 6:00 to 8 somewhere.
>> Okay.
>> At the old courthouse in Farmington,
second floor.
>> So, um, yes, Commissioner Croft's I
mean, I've read the same announcement
you have probably, but the comproller,
um, Scott, I'm trying to think of his
last name. What's his name?
>> Fletcher. Fletcher. Is that right? Will
be a part of that, too. So may have some
good information to share. I don't know
that will be like I plan I plan to
attend it as well. Um but yeah that's
one um public forum there. Council
members can reach out also to
commissioners if they would like. I can
share of course um Commissioner Kamalo
has shared her number with us right
here. That's easy. Um I'm happy to share
um other numbers with council members if
you'd like to reach out to ask question
or sorry with commissioners if you like
to reach out to ask uh questions on
that. So um
anything further before we take a vote
here? Okay, motion is from Eileen, a
second by Gary to table this for next
time um pending a little bit further uh
research. So all in favor of that
motion, please say yes. Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Any opposed, please say no.
>> Uh that was a four to zero vote to table
that. We'll bring it back in two weeks.
>> Um make a note to myself. Thank you very
much. Item 7.7 approve city council
meeting minutes for August 4th, 2026.
>> Motion to approve the city council
meeting minutes for August 4th, 2026.
>> I have a motion from Blake. Do I have a
second?
>> Second.
from David. Would anyone like to
make sure that everyone's aware if you
made any significant corrections that
others might not be aware of?
>> Just or at late stages made any
corrections others might not be aware of
if they were made late.
>> If you if you look at the minutes when
you see them and your name wasn't
spelled right. Sorry, we tried.
>> There were a lot of names. No idea.
>> There were lots of names. That wasn't
great.
>> Yeah, that is very much a guessing game.
So, um, thank you. do it.
>> There is a an E after Joyce Savage.
May want to
>> extra E.
>> We're missing an E.
>> It's an extra spare byandom.
>> Little floating extra E there.
>> Floating extra E.
>> Not a big deal.
>> Names just
>> uh Yeah, not a big deal. So, we have a a
motion to adopt from Blake, a second
from David. All in favor of adopting
those minutes, please say yes.
>> Yes.
>> Any oppose, say no. Minutes are adopted.
Four to zero. Thank you, councel. All
right, we do have two tabled items for u
pending further discussion with
developers on two reszones which were
discussed in our previous meeting. I do
not have an update on those for tonight.
That is
just listed under tabled items because
they're still sitting on the table and
waiting for that um to return after
a forementioned discussions. Um new
business number nine, new business for
upcoming meeting. anything council
members would like to
>> could I ask on those t table res have we
had made any progress on in on those
areas they they've been developers
talked to the city about this
>> so both developers are looking at
different options um they're going
through that right now once once they
have that put together then they they
will said they would get back with the
city at that time and start discussions
>> okay thank you
>> thank you
>> anything else under number nine if
anyone would like to mention or
>> on nine. Are we on nine now?
>> Yeah, we're on nine.
>> Um I have a question. um a year ago,
well more than a year ago, in March and
April of 2025, the planning commission
was looking at um
making some significant changes to the
R3 zone um that Jeff had recommended and
it kind of died on the vine. And um I
the way I feel about it right now is is
I I don't know why we would spot zone
something and into an ordinance that is
got potential issues. And um so
I was wondering if maybe the planning
commission could be asked uh what their
if they want to reconsider what Jeff had
brought up to them. uh a year ago last
March which was you know Jeff said that
he felt like 25 units per acre was too
much in that R3 zone and I think it
would be nice also to see larger
setbacks for a 45 foot tall building.
Um, I mean there there could be a spot
for a 45 tall building, but if it is, it
needs to be farther away from property
lines. And so I, you know, wondered if
maybe we could ask that the planning
commission to to look back at the
discussion from a year ago and and look
at that R3 zone and maybe think about
making a better recommendation of what
would be more palatable. Um, and and
again, one of my things would be, and of
course, I'm only one, but I'd like to
discuss the the uh trying to put
something of an R3 on less than one
acre. I could see this type of building
going in in many, many places in our
community that would be very disruptive
to neighborhoods. Um, somebody just
takes and buys two lots together that
are halfacre lots and puts up an
apartment building and it could happen
in my neighborhood or yours.
So, I wish we would have the planning
commission talk about that.
>> So, you're asking a planning commission
to re-examine the R3?
>> Yes.
>> That they already
discussing
>> finish the conversation.
>> Yeah.
from March of last year.
>> March 2025 thereabouts. Okay.
>> March and April 2025.
>> Is that is that something that we that
the council would discuss on the on
another meeting or is this just a
recommendation for the
>> Yeah, that's not a future council.
>> So, we're asked the planning commission
has to make the recommendation there.
They have to originate land land use. So
then it would then they would have to
have an open house or a public hearing
on the their changes and then it would
come to the city council. So it' still
be a ways out there, but
>> that's process.
>> It's one of those things that has been
kicked down the road for a really long
time and needs to stop being kicked.
It would be it would be nice if we could
get um just a little bit of a now that
we have a new commissioner and they'll
be going through he'll be going through
his new training and to get ready and uh
maybe just an opportunity to look at
some of those. We've got
>> our C2 is got some issues as well.
>> It would I'm not I'm not recommending
that we have a complete overhaul, but I
do think that it would be helpful to
have
a number of those ordinances looked at
make sure that we still have the
appropriate maps and if not just general
upkeep on some of that language that
would be preferable
that's it
>> just so you know with the general plan
some of these will be looked at at that
time to match the new general plan as
we're going through the process
>> but the R3 I mean our zoning in of
itself doesn't get changed with the
general plan I mean we we have the
general plan we have right now suggests
different zones that We don't have
because even in three years we haven't
enacted the zones that the general plan
calls out.
>> So
>> yes, but we will be updating some of
these zones
>> right
>> to match what we're doing with maps and
those kind of things as we go through
this process.
>> But the actual zone itself also
>> needs
>> looking at and if they would continue
the discussion that was started over a
year ago would be nice.
>> Thank you. I got it.
>> I thank you. Anything else council in
the on number nine?
>> Um, we had already asked the planning
commission to also look at the MIH
strategies and make a recommendation. I
assume that that's still on their future
agenda to do that.
>> That is uh we should have some of those
for the next council meeting. Perfect. I
think one of the things that that I
think that the planning commission is we
ask them for those recommendations that
are is a little tricky is the planning
commission doesn't deal with the budget
of the city. And so if the city if if we
said one of our strategies might be that
we would like to take and uh take money
from uh you know percentage or something
from our property taxes and uh
potentially
uh supplement rent down at Orchard Farms
for maybe three units for for first
responders or something like that. Um,
that's something and I'm not sure how
that works because it's not a land use
thing, but does it have to come from the
planning commission or is that something
the council can just say, hey, this is
one of the MIH strategies that we would
like to discuss?
>> How how do we how do we go there?
>> So, the direction from the the council
was to go through all of them for the
planning commission. They they've been
doing that. Um they do have a list that
they talked about. Um the ones that had
to do with finance, um they recognize
that's a council decision. That's not a planning commission decision to say,
"Yeah, let's take taxpayers money and
say this is a good one to do." Um that
is actually a council one to to put
those ones in. So that is something that
um they'll they'll bring the ones that
they feel really comfortable with um and
recommend them. you can add or you you
may look at the ones they have and say
I'm not sure I like this one or this one
and throw those out too. Um that's part
of your responsibility as a legislative
body is to be able to use city funds
>> um to fulfill those things. That's just
a recommendation that will be coming
from the planning commission after
they've reviewed the ones they've gone
through.
>> Thank you, Darren.
» Um okay, 10 calendar items. August 25th
uh is our next speaking of them planning
commission meeting. September 1st is the
next city council meeting. We do not um
have a closed session planned for
tonight. So I would look for a motion to
adjurnn.
>> Motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion from Blake. Do I have a second?
>> Second.
from Gary. All in favor say yes.
>> Yes.
No.