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Be careful when freedom of speech crosses over and can look like you are mocking individuals.

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I want to go on record two weeks ago, I got calls about this chairman and I said I wasn't going to say anything about it.

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But today it is on my heart. I can't speak for any of these other commissioners, but I know for me, I cannot sit in silence.

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If any of the less of these or any of the people who may be developmentally delayed or have issues that are not their fault

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of being the part of a political joke, and so I just want to go on record that's just tasteful, and I don't support it, and I don't like it.

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Thank you. Continue, Madam Clerk.

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I don't lose chair.

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Yes, sir.

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I would like to join in and say amen to what the Vice Chair indicated as well.

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We don't need that up here.

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Mr. Chair, I would also like to join in on that comment and agree with Madam Vice Chair.

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Okay.

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And thank you.

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Thank you.

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I agree as well.

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People should be able to come up here and talk about issues.

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and items on the agenda, but they should not be able to attack anyone or mock them or do anything

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like that and happy to discuss colleagues to bring in for a resolution that would prevent

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that type of behavior.

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Madam Clerk, I removed up on today's agenda on page 9, 260555, discussion update, implementation

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of Chairman Rob Pates 5.4 Plan.

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Good morning, Commissioner.

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Steve Naraki's strategy office.

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I'm joined today by Superior Court Judge Robert McBarny to go over a couple of the points of the five point plan.

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Please bring up the presentation.

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I'm going to move through the first four items you see here pretty briefly and give them more full some report at our next September 16th meeting.

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The reason why Judge McBarny has agreed to join us today at our last meeting at the last board of commission.

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there were a number of questions about the operations and details,

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both the bond review calendar, which is just recently stood up in the past month or so,

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and then trying to maintain the cadence of the consolidated trial calendar,

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which had been on a monthly cadence, so it'll be shifting to an every other month,

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but again, looking at jail, reduction initiatives, keeping that at a monthly cadence.

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So I'll work through these first four items and then turn it over judgment for our need to provide some comment on the two calendars.

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First looking at sanding up the diversion hub, we are making progress here, a draft standing order has been submitted to Judge Taylor and State Court,

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proposing real-time low-level warrant resolution.

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So State Court is currently reviewing that draft standing order and we're also coming through data to make sure that we're completely clear on the number of individuals.

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currently in jail, that would be eligible for these quick warrant resolutions around failures

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to appear, prohibition violations, and other such matters.

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And then concurrent to this, we continue to work with Department of Real Estate and Asset Management

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as well as pre-trial supervision who is currently in the trailer just outside the jail on the

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right street campus where we would have this diversion hub located in the pre-trial services

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team moving to 515 Farber and where we currently have accountability court.

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Next, the increase use of ankle monitor utilization will just need to provide a full update

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at the next September meeting. We're still working through those numbers since it's so

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early in the month. The next item, use of third party labs to reduce backlog for the DA's

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forensics evidence testing. As stated before, this is currently being evaluated as part of

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and so this process is ongoing.

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And then finally implementing automated text reminders.

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Again, this is a joint initiative

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between the clerk's office as well,

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superior court and Tyler.

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And they should be rolling this out fairly soon.

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And the next couple weeks,

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and again, I'll have a more full sum update

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at the September 16th meeting.

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Commissioner, is any questions with these items?

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Any questions?

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Okay, if we go the next slide,

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and I'll turn it over to Judge McBernie.

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Good morning.

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I'm going to have it answer questions, I know this was presented to you last time and I'll give a high level overview but it sounded like there were questions or concerns that the folks who were presenting didn't necessarily have answers for.

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The Bonnerview calendar is something we stood up about a month ago.

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It's a weekly event that occurs Monday mornings.

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It's currently presided over by

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Judge Ashley, who is one of the magistrate judges who assists us with preliminary hearings.

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The calendars have started out small for two reasons.

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One we wanted to test the concept, but two, it turns out that the universe of eligible

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the offense is smaller than we had hoped. I know Commissioner Ellis, you ran into some

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of the confusion around this when you got a list of people who are in.

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Our county jail, with very, very low bonds, and there are some people who have been in our jail for over two years, and associated with them as a bond for $2,000 or $3,000.

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But what we learn when we explore that individual is not only does he have a bond for $2,000 or $3,000 for maybe contraband in the jail, but he also has a murder case for which there's no bond.

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And so we can't simply say, who is in jail with a low bond, but we need to scrub each individual with a low bond to make sure is they're not also a probation warrant because Judge Ashley can't make a probation warrant go away.

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Is there a failed to appear so a bench warrant from another judge because someone missed court.

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So when we scrub this list it ends up being a lot smaller than we had hoped.

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The number of people who are sitting in the jail and the only thing holding them in jail is a relatively low bond

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But we get those in front of Judge Ashley and through his work public defender and district attorney

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They have resolved some of those cases on the spot sometimes the charges are dismissed

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Sometimes the bond is reduced

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It can't be reduced to zero. These are all offenses that you cannot enter what we call a UJR

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Unsecured judicial release in the old days. It was called a signature bond

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and the legislature has increasingly restricted

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judge's ability to enter UJR so it has to be a dollar amount

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and if Judge Ashley thinks it's appropriate he's lowering it

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but refining still some people can't make even that lower amount

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but at least it's shining a light on those cases

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and they are subject to review in the coming future

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if that lower amount hasn't gotten them out as well

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last thing I'll add and then if their questions happy to answer them

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we had hoped that the bail project would be a good partner in this process

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They are often, not always, but often willing to come in and post that bond if it is 5,000 or less.

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And most of the folks were dealing with their in that range.

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It turns out that the bail project also requires that that individual have programming on the outside.

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They're not just putting the tab to post the bond, but there needs to be a supportive program like pad,

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where they wrap around services, the potential for housing, et cetera.

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and the public defender's office isn't always able to line that up for their clients and so the bail project hasn't plugged in as in as many instances as we had hoped for.

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So we're going to continue this. We're actually slowing the cadence because we don't have enough to do 10 a week.

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We're going to go to every other week continue to scrub the lists and if you all think of other variables, we got to look at we're open to it.

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The current cost of the county is zero, because Judge Ashley is already in court and was willing to

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carve time out of the day when he's handling preliminary hearings, so it's already staffed.

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So everything we get is zero budget impact, but big win if people are being released.

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Any questions about the bond review calendar?

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Yeah, Mr. Ellis.

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Yeah, and just a couple of questions on them, can you educate me on the eligibility criteria?

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why just unindicted cases versus unindicted and indicted cases?

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So our next chapter would be to explore

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and die to cases in two components.

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One would be to look at indicted cases

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that are in the non-complex division.

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So other magistrates are assigned to those.

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And those are ones where our bench could say,

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we want those to be delegated to Judge Ashley.

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And he could review those bonds on his calendar.

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So we're going there to that category.

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The more complicated category would be someone

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who's in on a $3,000 bond and that case is assigned to elected judge ex.

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Our bench has an agreed that those should be sent to the bond review calendar.

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But what we intend to do is let judges know this calendar is there and if you want your

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cases, if they fit the criteria to go there, you could do that.

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And judges will decide for themselves, I'm willing to let that case go.

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Much like we have the ankle mine, I think you've all heard of the ankle monorview calendar.

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or those are often indicted cases.

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And some judges have said that Judge Manning is able to review

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the ankle monitor performance of a defendant,

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even though his or her case is in elected Judge X's document.

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Okay, current or wrong,

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it seemed like that would be a bigger universe of people.

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By definition, it would be bigger.

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We would be adding to it.

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The universe of people who are indicted with very low bonds

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and nothing else holding them

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is smaller than unindicted and nothing else holding it.

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By the time they've been indicted,

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other things can be going on.

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But that's going forward, that's what we're going to look at.

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Like I said, start with non-complex,

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where we can say those should go to judge Ashley,

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and then canvas the bench to see what the elected judges are prepared to do.

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What would be the cadence of that playing now?

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Like when would that likely start?

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So we'll turn to the non-complex universe.

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Or shortly, and then the cadence would depend on what the volume develops. Judge Ashley is able to do the 10 every Monday without upsetting the preliminary hearing flow that he has.

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We haven't tried to grow it because we haven't had the volume to grow it, but in looking at invited cases, there's a sufficient volume we could look at having more than 10 a week.

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Okay, so I would say not by the next session, but maybe in an October meeting Mr.

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Naraki might have an update as to what it's looking like if we scrub the non-complex division.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Arlington?

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Good morning, Joseph.

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Bernie, and you may or may not know the numbers, but I think it's important if we do them

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maybe if you don't, maybe Mr. Miracley does, the numbers will say that number is much smaller

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or we're talking about less than 100 or we're talking about less than 500, I think it's

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important at least for the public to know how many of those people have the $2,000 bond,

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but also have the murder charge or some other pending felony charge.

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great question. Mr. Naraki may know from the original estimates because I know when we were first

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scoping out these initiatives we took the look at who is in the jail with a bond of under

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$10,000. So unscrupbed list and that's when we had the key learning. Oh wait I might have a

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$6,000 bond on this case but I have a no bond on a much more serious case and so lowering my bond

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on this case, this is no point in doing that.

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I don't have those figures.

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It's noable and we certainly report back with that,

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but there has been surprise and disappointment

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that the universe of individuals who's only basis

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for being in jail is a low bond that perhaps could be lower.

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It is a smaller universe than we have forecast,

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because I don't think when we were first structuring it,

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we took into consideration the no bond murder charge

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and you picked up a contraband charge

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for what you got $1,000 bond and we were just counting how many $1,000 bonds are out there.

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Mr. Naraki, if you can't include those numbers in the updates, it's very important

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because we always get people coming down talking about the people being held with $2,000

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bonds and the sheriff is always disputing that narrative and so it's important, I think, for

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us to make sure we have those numbers and communicate those numbers clearly so that the

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know exactly what we're talking about and we can all get on the same page.

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Yes, Commissioner.

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And we'll have that for the next meeting or the one after.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Other questions or comments?

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I had one more question on this before we get up to topic.

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You mentioned the bail project being having difficulty interceding in this because of some of their other issues.

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Well, not issues, but we could not be able to kind of...

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They require their requirements, right?

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If we had other partners,

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we needed...

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We needed to try to seek other partners into this...

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Into this... Into this... In addition to the bail project.

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That's what we need to explore.

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I think that's the right next step.

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We need to figure out...

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Bail projects, requirements or X and Y and Z...

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Right.

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what would suffice to satisfy those requirements

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with a pad partnership or what do they mean by supportive housing,

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what if the individual Georgia works?

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I think there are pieces out there that go in there and address it.

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Our learning was just that it's not so simple as get that bomb

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below $5,000 and then the bail project.

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I want to be very clear, I wasn't speaking ill of them.

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Yeah, they understand.

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They understandably have requirements because they're looking to get that money back

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they can reinvest it and reinvest me. So I think our next step would be to figure out what

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meets their requirements and so it would be more of a package and I'll tell you all through

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the Justice Policy Board, the expedited committee, formerly known as jail population review,

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that's what they're focused on is figuring out how do we build that package of support for

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someone with a $2,000 bond so that if someone's then funding it we can get the whole package.

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Got it. Thank you. Commissioner Bayer. Thank you, Madam Vice Chair. I just wanted to make sure we covered the consolidated trial calendar, which is the last page of the presentation. It's seem like we were about to move on. So I wanted to make sure we.

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I think we're just moving to the next page. I'm not allowed to leave though we talked about it. I hope it's coming. There it is. The consolidated criminal trial.

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Under, consolidated, tripped on, for short, is the capstone of the work that our court has done to focus on that component of the jail population that is the hardest to reduce.

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You will hear from every stakeholder that there are some easy wins. If someone has a FTA, let's get them into court. If it's a real simple case, let's take a plea.

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Someone in jail on a murder, rape, and aggravated child molestation, you have to call that in for trial to resolve that case.

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That's how it gets resolved.

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And every judge has a different cadence in terms of doing that.

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What we built coming out of the pandemic was a program whereby we brought in a senior judge,

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and the original cadence was two weeks every month.

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And every judge was able to send two cases each up to four defendants each.

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So we got some larger cases in there as well to this calendar.

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It would be put together and you were prioritized by length of stay in jail, and then ultimately by the number of dispositions you had.

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So if 10 of my cases were resolved, and only one of Judge Pitzes had been resolved, he'd go ahead of me because he has fewer resolutions.

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But the focus is always who's been in jail the longest.

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Every judge has the same opportunity to submit the same number of cases.

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And we have since the creation of this calendar moved over 300 serious violent felonies.

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This is as if we had a 21st and a 22nd judge who was only focused on trying cases.

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We are very hopeful we get a 21st judge, but he or she will of course have a whole

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doc at civil, criminal, et cetera.

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And have to focus on criminal cases that aren't the serious violent felonies.

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But by concentrating in those cases in this program we've moved over 300.

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Unfortunately, that was all, well fortunately, we had the ARPA funding that has dried up.

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We are for the remainder of this calendar year, funding it through savings that we identified

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in our budget.

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The judge who has staffed it primarily, you will be familiar with him, Judge Emerson,

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I think he interacted with some of you on a case.

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He is the judge who we brought in for most of these calendars.

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every once in a while when he wasn't available we get a different senior judge.

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He's taking a step back and so it actually aligned with our funding limitation and he's

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available every other month for two weeks.

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So funding wise we had to go every other month two weeks but scheduling wise that's when

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Judge Emerson was able to man the consolidated trial calendar.

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We'd love to continue it, it can it allows us to move some of those older cases in conjunction

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and with the efforts we're all undertaken with our own criminal trial

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calendars, especially since we've been down a few judges, and we continue to

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hope for that 21st judge. It's not expensive. I estimate if we can talk about

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the motion's calendar in a minute if you want, but if we had a judge full

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time, meaning two weeks, every month, plus a litigation manager, that would be

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support we'd be under $250,000 to continue to move these old serious violent felonies.

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Does that include prosecutor or public defender?

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So, no, it doesn't, but they should speak up for their concerns.

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These are all cases that are already assigned to judges, so we're not bringing in new cases

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from somewhere else, and the way it primarily operates, and we have to police it, but if

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I were to send a case to the consolidated trial calendar, and Mr. Arlington was the prosecutor

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again for a minute, and Mr. Naraki was the defense attorney, I'm not supposed to be scheduling

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you for another case in my courtroom, because I've sent that to the calendar. And so, ideally,

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It's not supposed to put an extra resource drain on either office DA or public defender.

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It works well on the public defender side because if I've sent my case, we have the public defender

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and I know I can't bring one in.

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It's harder for the district attorneys office because they have the specialized prosecutors who are in multiple courtrooms.

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And so I might say I'm not going to call prosecutor Arlington in in my court room because I've sent something to the consolidated trial calendar.

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judge Ellis Mike because you're in that courtroom as well. And so I've here we've heard very clearly from the

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District Attorney's Office that they would like additional resources. The tricky part would be

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getting them a brand new ADA, a person wouldn't function in that space. This is where you want season.

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Not in the full time in it.

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Well, but it's also, they're trying murders and rapes. And so you don't hire a brand new ADA and have that person

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tackle those cases. So they would need to do some restructuring. But we've heard loud and clear

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that this is imposing strain.

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On the district attorney's office. We're pretend to speak for that group, but they've asked that there be staffing considerations for them as well.

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So you might want to engage with them from a court staffing. Our ability to stand a calendar up when we publish the calendar. People need to show up.

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It's the range that I described.

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Anything else?

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Yes.

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And how does Todd end with us?

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We have also been funding through the ARPA funding, another senior judge, who comes in.

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On average, a day, maybe two days a week, so not a whole week, any particular month.

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And to him, we have been able to send pending criminal motions that stand between the case

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and trial.

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Classic example would be in a immunity motion.

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So a defendant is saying, I ought not to be subject to prosecution at all because I

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acted in self-defense.

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That's basically a mini trial, the way a immunity motion works out is the state has to put up its case and the defendant says here's why it was self-defense time

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Consuming and often a reason why a case isn't ready for trial, and we have a senior judge who's been hearing those

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ruling on those thus making cases ready for trial sooner, so that has been a worthwhile investment for us as well

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So that that has also fit within our our

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spending, were we to continue that?

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The estimate is that that would be about 80,000 a year.

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The litigation manager that I described would be able

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to support that calendar as well, so there'd be no

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additional staffing.

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And that's one again where if I send a motion to that

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judge to handle, I couldn't expect those lawyers

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to be in my courtroom at the time,

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because they're arguing my motion in front of another judge.

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We see them as working in tandem.

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They're not entirely linked.

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It could be that the trial that is made ready because of that judge's ruling, I then tried.

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You don't have to then send it to the Consolidate trial count.

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But we have supported those judges with the same support staff.

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Go on back to the Consolidate trial counter.

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You mentioned that the judge at senior judge who had been working with this, wanted to take

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a step back.

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So, that coincide with, so you've gone to, you've cut the number and half through the end of

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the year, is that the way for me to read this?

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Second half of this year is two weeks every other month.

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But we did.

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Was that done more for funding or for, or because the judge wasn't available?

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I guess.

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Funding.

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It was driven by funding.

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That was driven by fund.

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But then we were also informed that that's the schedule that, that he's going to

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Okay, I'm going forward, which doesn't mean we couldn't identify other judges.

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With the budget, we'll stop it.

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So, that's my question how quickly could, you know, another senior judge be identified

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and it restored back to the same cadence and on top of that, I mean, it was sort of,

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when along with that, I'd be interested if Mr. Rocky's got sort of an estimate of, like,

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generally all an annual cost to staff, you know, for the other, for the other folks, in addition to what you just shared.

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But could this also be accelerated, in other words, you know, I mean, we've been pushing for and trying to get, you know, the additional judgeship.

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So we know we've identified the need, this doesn't exactly feel that need, because it's not a full-time judge, right?

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But in the absence of getting another judge or a till could, could this essentially be doubled?

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And you weren't necessarily anticipating that, but, you know, could we potentially double a

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throughput on this, or is that create others sort of logistical issues that it's probably

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not, you're going to be able to do that in a quick period of time?

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So I heard two questions in there one, immediately we could start making it two weeks every

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month.

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We could identify the senior judge.

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Okay.

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We could give back to where we were.

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We could do that.

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to Commissioner Errington's question, if we have this run every week, we have to have a serious sidebar with a district attorney and the public defender in terms of the impact that would have on their operations because their top flight prosecutors and their line public defenders would be in two places at the same time.

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We experiment at one point with having two judges for one of those two week periods and so it was effectively four weeks and

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And that proved problematic

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So I think that would be our constraint

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There should be some important dialogue with how those two offices, prosecution and public defenders

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office would envision being able to support it running more frequently than two weeks a month,

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which is already a strain, but we've managed it for three years.

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Okay. All right. So the priority right now is really just identifying the resources

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just to get back to kind of what we have,

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what we have currently, what we previously had.

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And then any future things on that,

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really is going to require a lot more thought to,

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imagine there are going to be some space issues too.

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Potentially.

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If we had two judges, it would be a problem.

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If it's just one, we use courtroom 1D,

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one of the most colonial courts that's not assigned.

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And even if we get a 21st judge, we're going to have that issue.

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One D will still work.

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Yeah, so we're good for now with criminal cases.

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I mean, what I'd like for us to try to figure out a way to do today is give some direction

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to our staff to make this come to fruition and get, you know, I don't think it's really productive

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for us to continue to sit up here and talk about it, but to actually just find the ability

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to get this back to restore to where we were in this operational.

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So, do we, and is it just the cause, is it just your cause, and then maybe it's the question for Mr.

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and Rocky, or do we estimate that this is going to be, we're going to need to do,

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I don't know, we need something, it's been operating, I guess, without additional costs,

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but has ARPA funding been applied to those other positions for other people as well?

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I believe the other departments, Commissioner Ellis, were funded under this ARPA grant,

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in the open grant one away at the end of the end of the end of August so just expired

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those other positions were also now without funding.

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What do you have an estimate of what that would be through the end of the year?

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Not in front of me right now but we do have a pretty good idea across each of the departments

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whether CDA is sheriff having an additional deputy works office staff.

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I think we know what that ask is and then could easily with the help of HR and finance

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That's put dollars to that and come up with a recommended amount.

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So I guess roughly, I'm just thinking through kind of like the analysis we had through

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of a state court and we had a judge and all that sort of stuff and just doing the math.

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So the magnitude of this probably all in is annualized less than probably about 750,000, something

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And they were certainly under a million, probably.

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And that between have to, yes.

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OK.

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It's less than that.

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I wouldn't want this to become a, you mentioned the clerk's office.

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Speak for any other agency.

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Right.

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I'd be hard pressed to see why outside the public defender's office, the DA's office, certainly need deputies in there.

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Right.

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And then what I put up there, we would need in terms of incremental work.

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Yeah, well maybe I'm trying to put anybody on the spot would just directly on numbers or who and all that sort of stuff.

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But I'd like our staff to go back and I know we've got a couple of other things that we've had sort of on here that we've continued to discuss.

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We're going to have at least, you know, I think we're going to have at least a million bucks worth of funding which we could identify to apply towards these types of initiatives.

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whether it's, I'm talking about throughout the rest of the rest of this year, it gets a little bit different in terms of, you know, an annualized figure, but I'd like to see you all come back to us with some clear recommendations around, you know, some things on here that can begin to start to move the needle and have some effect on reduction initiatives that are an addition to the stuff that we're already doing in elementary and that sort of stuff.

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with that a foot print of a million dollars and a minimum, I'd like to see some sort of

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direction. I mean, I'd like to give you all direction to do that and I don't need to make

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a motion from the floor to do that or not, or whether you all can kind of come back with

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those recommendations to us at the next meeting that we could act upon. We're going to sit

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around here and talk about again, but that we could act upon so we can get things like this

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store and then a couple other things that we know that are out there that we've

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vetted that we just haven't brought forward. Could you all be prepared to do that?

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Yes sir, we could be prepared to do that. And the funding source would be projecting

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against the end of year.

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Yeah, I can't imagine that we're not going to be able to identify at least a million

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bugs.

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All

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right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was really going to cover a lot of what Commissioner Ellis just covered in terms of getting the, sorry, this is more from Mr. Iraqi. But covering the, you know, getting the numbers from all of the related agencies that have any costs associated with keeping these things in mind.

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courts or getting these courts back to, at least where they were, if not more.

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I'm going to cover it to that, obviously, as with the earlier conversation, if there's

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not enough cases that would fit the category, then no, but obviously to address the need.

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But I would also say, rather, my personal perspective is that it would be good to just see

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that what those costs are and not necessarily limited to a particular amount, like just to

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know what those costs are to get it to, you know, back to where it was. And then annualized.

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So I guess we need the cost for this year, what we need you for the rest of the year, but also

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annualized, what would be the addition to the 2027 budget to keep it going beyond December 31.

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So I'd like to see all of those numbers of possible. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

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Good afternoon, Alice. One more thing too. In judgment burning with, if we acted upon

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Yes, and this, you know, it has to become smooth from being a grant funder program to, you know, a direct county general fund and program.

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In order to sort of assess, do we want to continue it and all this sort of stuff because I do think there's some pivot points to come in there and like, hey, we get an additional judge, that's going to mean.

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We got to consider, you know, more overall funding for that and all that sort of stuff and how does that work.

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Maybe some trade-offs where we want to roll that off or dial this back once we were going to get that in place.

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But would you be able with a courts be able to provide us with direct numbers on kind of the flow in the impact of this particular consolidated trial calendar?

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I know you got stuff going back to 2023, but would we be able to sort of see that on, let's say, a quarterly basis, you know, for 2026.

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I mean, that's the one to ask to keep the records.

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Okay, all right.

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Great.

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Yes.

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We keep track of dispositions.

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It could be 20 positions on the calendar.

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And we keep track of by putting them on there, which were pleased.

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You can get this mess, what went to trial.

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So that's ongoing.

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So if there is a cadence that you all established,

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the member just needs to ask, and I can pass that along.

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Yeah, because I'm adding this as a good thing.

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But the way it's, it should generally be something that's probably,

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at some point in time, temporary, if we have, we ought to be self-sustaining.

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Got it.

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Thank you.

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All right, anything else?

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Thank you.

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Continue, Madam Clerk.

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Back on page five, county manager's items under open and responsible government, 2060536 Finance Presentation Review and Approval of the September 2nd, 2026 budget soundings and resolution.

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All right, Madam CFO.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The item that's before you today is a amendment to the annual hardware software maintenance list.

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It's to add two items for the library.

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Software license-related items, one with compressed technologies for $93,000

432
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:44,930
the other with melt water for $88,600.

433
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:48,710
No additional funding is being requested.

434
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:51,110
They're absorbing the funding within their budget.

435
01:23:52,170 --> 01:23:52,350
All right.

436
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:58,070
Comments are motion to adopt by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Ellis.

437
01:23:58,930 --> 01:24:00,590
In the voters open,

438
01:24:05,260 --> 01:24:11,480
in the motion passes, 5A-0Nays, 260537 information technology,

439
01:24:12,020 --> 01:24:17,560
request approval of a statewide contract in amount of $3 million with AT&T to provide

440
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,940
telecommunication services and products countywide.

441
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:24,520
All right, most of the approved by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Vice Chair,

442
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:25,980
I'll be right behind.

443
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:27,960
And the vote is open.

444
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:36,170
And the motion passes six shades, zero nays.

445
01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:40,190
26, 0, 5, 3, 8, real estate and asset management.

446
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:45,120
Mr. Chairman, I want to make a couple of comments about this.

447
01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:51,820
Joe Davis comes up just to remind everyone we had several years ago, began the Blitz program,

448
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:58,520
which is substantially complete, absent the issue with the fire, which is prolonged that.

449
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:59,980
We also added a

450
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:27,700
A year later, five items which we have reported out on in each justice report when we bring that forward. Monthly, one of those was elevator modernization, but other ones who are the fire alarm system that you're all familiar with. By the way, Joe tells me that that one is now complete, nearing complete with one more inspection to get certification from the fire marshals, very good news, padded sales, kitchen equipment, laundry equipment, and then the elevator program.

451
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:33,800
also just reminded you for purposes of keeping this in perspective that the number that we're

452
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:39,980
at now, and asking for approval in this item, 4.4 million is less than 1 percent.

453
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:45,720
I think I said 1 percent of note, I sent to you, but less than 1 percent of the overall

454
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,840
renovation work anticipated at Rice Street.

455
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:54,840
By definition, as Joe talks through this, and hopefully got a chance to look at his memo,

456
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,500
which really laid out in great detail, the process followed.

457
01:25:58,540 --> 01:26:00,600
This is not an emergency purchase.

458
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,860
So the character I, as that, is inaccurate.

459
01:26:04,540 --> 01:26:07,000
None of these were emergency related.

460
01:26:07,340 --> 01:26:11,380
They were anticipated infrastructure projects

461
01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:12,480
that needed to be done.

462
01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:15,240
They're done in advance, of course, the bonds being issued,

463
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,280
which, of course, a good news now is we have a judge's approval.

464
01:26:18,460 --> 01:26:20,240
On those bonds, and we'll be moving forward,

465
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:24,720
but these were from funding identified back a couple of years ago.

466
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:31,120
One of the reasons that I've made that comment is running from pillar to post on every single

467
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:36,880
thing that happens at the jail and getting outside the procurement process is not a good

468
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:37,480
recipe.

469
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,680
All we got to do is remember teletracks, maybe that one word and that would keep us from going

470
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:44,800
down that path again.

471
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:53,880
So what Joe has done is along with Felicia's support is run a discipline procurement and in

472
01:26:53,880 --> 01:27:00,360
This procurement, the first step was an assessment of the needs of these elevators and

473
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,380
then the scope of work to bid.

474
01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:10,040
I think it was in Joe's outline that they were identified as average in nature and with

475
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,700
replacement by 2028.

476
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:18,560
So again, it defines the fact that it is a straightforward procurement process.

477
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:23,580
What we do do, and I want to make sure that you're familiar with this, again, and maybe

478
01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:28,900
we can do a better job of communicating our approach to all of the issues at the jail,

479
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:36,200
is that a group, a joint team of both Sheriff Office and County Manager's Office,

480
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:40,980
many times, with Joe doing a lot of the talking, certainly, because of his expertise,

481
01:27:41,660 --> 01:27:47,600
meet every other week to look at issues that have cropped up at the jail and longer-term

482
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:55,680
project that we're working on. EMSI was hired and focused on providing the data to support

483
01:27:55,680 --> 01:28:01,980
that meeting. So the number of jail doors that have been damaged and been out of service

484
01:28:01,980 --> 01:28:07,260
and the trend in that area is discussed by that group. Many other things are discussed

485
01:28:07,260 --> 01:28:12,820
by that group. But again, it keeps us data focused and then the decisions that are made on

486
01:28:12,820 --> 01:28:18,600
to prioritize and what to move forward, if there's a need for that are made by a joint team,

487
01:28:18,820 --> 01:28:27,120
not by any individual. And so that all, you know, I just say to ensure that there's a good

488
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:34,860
understanding of how this project came to be, how it's posture in terms of emergency or non-emergency,

489
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:42,600
anything can happen as you all know at the jail at the drop of a hat, particularly from a facility

490
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:49,340
these perspective and many of us have visited the jail right after some event of that nature

491
01:28:49,340 --> 01:28:54,860
has occurred. But if we want to have a sensible way of dealing with these issues over the

492
01:28:54,860 --> 01:29:00,820
next five to even as long as ten years we need to have a process. We need to follow the process

493
01:29:00,820 --> 01:29:07,480
which I believe we're doing. We need to as many in many cases as possible use a discipline to

494
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:13,620
to procurement and follow those rules and that will get us, again, the results that I think

495
01:29:13,620 --> 01:29:14,100
we want.

496
01:29:14,660 --> 01:29:21,100
And now that we have the bond issue, at least, approved by a judge, we can start to take

497
01:29:21,100 --> 01:29:26,220
advantage of reimbursement mechanisms against those future bond issues, and perhaps move

498
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:27,160
even faster.

499
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:33,000
But Joe, that's probably a long set up, but I want to make sure that I express publicly

500
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:38,980
the huge amount of confidence that I have in Joe Davis. No one knows this jail better and no one

501
01:29:38,980 --> 01:29:44,560
works harder at it and in tandem with the sheriff's office and certainly no one knows the procurement

502
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:50,460
process better than Felicia Strong Whitaker. So I'm going to depend on both of them to present this

503
01:29:50,460 --> 01:29:59,440
and answer any questions. So Joe, let me turn it over to you. All right, now we have a motion on the

504
01:29:59,440 --> 01:29:59,900
second and second.

505
01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:10,060
All right, before you begin, Commissioner Barrett has requested to speak now.

506
01:30:10,660 --> 01:30:11,480
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

507
01:30:15,900 --> 01:30:23,420
With all due respect, Mr. County manager, you characterise this as

508
01:30:23,420 --> 01:30:32,000
not an emergency, and yet when it was presented to us on August 7th of 2024, it was presented

509
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,920
as, quote, Dream is requesting 3.2 million to address immediate and emergency jail needs.

510
01:30:39,180 --> 01:30:39,840
Here's the item.

511
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:47,190
And then when the work was contracted, the first part of the work was contracted with

512
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:52,050
it was contracted under an emergency authorization agreement.

513
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:56,790
So it was characterized as an emergency when it was presented to us.

514
01:30:56,930 --> 01:31:01,890
And at some point if it downgraded from an immediate and emergency jail need,

515
01:31:02,710 --> 01:31:03,930
we should have been informed of that.

516
01:31:04,170 --> 01:31:08,470
And if it wasn't an emergency, we shouldn't have used emergency authorization

517
01:31:09,230 --> 01:31:12,610
to procure a large space for this contract.

518
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:22,510
If it was an emergency and an immediate need, then the timeline is deeply concerning because

519
01:31:22,510 --> 01:31:29,570
this was presented to us in August of 2024 and then it's only now in September of

520
01:31:29,570 --> 01:31:34,690
2026 that we're ready to approve it and to be clear I have no issue with the fact that

521
01:31:34,690 --> 01:31:38,370
the cost is what it is now and I'm going to vote to support it because we need to get this

522
01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:45,210
But I think we have real issues here with how long this is taking.

523
01:31:45,410 --> 01:31:47,470
It was presented as a need in August of 2024.

524
01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:50,270
Yes, the report said it was average.

525
01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:54,030
But it was average four and elevator system of its vintage,

526
01:31:54,910 --> 01:31:57,170
which doesn't necessarily mean it's average.

527
01:31:57,410 --> 01:31:59,670
It's average for an old set of elevators.

528
01:32:04,330 --> 01:32:08,830
Not only if it is an emergency and immediate need,

529
01:32:08,830 --> 01:32:14,450
are we not even approving the spend until two years plus later?

530
01:32:15,090 --> 01:32:19,630
The project isn't, the work isn't even set to begin until March of 2027.

531
01:32:20,750 --> 01:32:23,890
And not set to complete until January of 2029.

532
01:32:25,090 --> 01:32:31,370
So this is a significant amount of time for something that was characterized to us in 2024

533
01:32:31,950 --> 01:32:33,170
as immediate an emergency.

534
01:32:33,330 --> 01:32:35,270
And I think that is deeply concerning.

535
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:45,210
So if for some reason, something goes from emergency to non-emergency, we need to know that.

536
01:32:45,490 --> 01:32:51,670
And if it wasn't an emergency as it was presented and which held true for the Lerch-Bates agreement,

537
01:32:52,650 --> 01:32:57,870
why was that emergency authorization not used to procure the elevator services company?

538
01:32:58,530 --> 01:33:00,350
Either it's an emergency or it's not.

539
01:33:01,030 --> 01:33:03,730
And so there's a lot of mixed messaging here,

540
01:33:03,730 --> 01:33:05,570
which I find really troubling.

541
01:33:05,790 --> 01:33:07,510
I mean, I think we need to be much clearer

542
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:09,690
about how we characterize an emergency

543
01:33:09,690 --> 01:33:12,430
when we use those words, when we use it for procurement.

544
01:33:13,890 --> 01:33:14,970
What does that mean?

545
01:33:15,010 --> 01:33:16,570
What does the public supposed to take from that?

546
01:33:16,570 --> 01:33:18,690
What are we supposed to take from that?

547
01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:25,870
I am deeply troubled by the way this has been characterized.

548
01:33:26,770 --> 01:33:28,390
And the gaps in the timeline,

549
01:33:29,670 --> 01:33:32,130
I mean, I think everybody acknowledges that

550
01:33:32,130 --> 01:33:38,170
Unfortunately, government moved slowly, and our RFP process is a long process for good reason,

551
01:33:38,750 --> 01:33:46,110
but if something is immediate and emergency, we need to be able to move faster than almost

552
01:33:46,110 --> 01:33:51,690
four and a half years to completion of a project, two plus years to approval of a contract.

553
01:33:53,630 --> 01:34:00,590
And I think, again, my concern right now is that we clarify what emergency means that

554
01:34:00,590 --> 01:34:04,790
We are more transparent in communicative if something is or is not an emergency and how that

555
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:11,170
word is to be used and acted on by the various departments and that if it is an emergency

556
01:34:11,170 --> 01:34:15,510
that is communicated to everybody involved in the process of things do move along and most

557
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:21,730
importantly, because again we did get two letters within a couple of days of each other

558
01:34:21,730 --> 01:34:28,210
from the sheriff that indicated some close calls because of elevators going down.

559
01:34:28,210 --> 01:34:35,930
life safety issues, so given that feels pretty immediate of a need to me, it does seem to me

560
01:34:35,930 --> 01:34:42,130
that we need to expedite this, and I hope that we will get this approved today, but how can

561
01:34:42,130 --> 01:34:48,190
we move the start date of, how can we move the timeline up so that this is not starting six

562
01:34:48,190 --> 01:34:54,790
months from now and finishing two years from now, two and a half years from now, or so.

563
01:34:55,230 --> 01:34:59,390
Those are my questions and I, you know, I would really like to know your thoughts.

564
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:59,970
So...

565
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:11,160
Mr. Manager, Mr. Mr. Strong Whitaker, would you care before you even get to, because this is, I'll save my comments for a little later. Mr. Manager.

566
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:30,580
I'll defer to Mr. Whitaker in terms of the definition and when we use it. And again, I think in this case, when you kept saying immediate and emergency, maybe therein is the part of the problem, because some of these five items, we've reported on again, in every monthly board meeting.

567
01:35:30,580 --> 01:35:36,340
And even in the case of the laundry equipment, I think we said, these had not failed as of yet.

568
01:35:36,860 --> 01:35:48,440
In fact, we were delaying it. So fundamentally, all through this process, we were giving every indication of moving with haste, but not without the procurement process.

569
01:35:48,440 --> 01:35:52,440
So let me ask Felicia to comment on that. And large baits in specific.

570
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:55,120
Good afternoon, Commissioners, Felicia Strongwit,

571
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:56,580
Kirchie, purchasing agent.

572
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,400
First of all, let me clarify the emergency

573
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:04,140
authorization was requested for large baits

574
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:06,620
to provide elevated consulting services.

575
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:12,200
There was never a emergency request for the solicitation

576
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:17,240
for the procurement and the installation of the elevators.

577
01:36:17,860 --> 01:36:21,640
So the request that was submitted and approved

578
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:26,120
was for the elevator consulting services.

579
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,520
Once the elevator consultant provided the specifications

580
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,700
to purchasing, so that we could put out a solicitation

581
01:36:34,700 --> 01:36:37,040
because that was always the intent.

582
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:38,320
That is what happened.

583
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,760
I do have the details and the timelines

584
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,320
on when purchasing received and advertised the solicitation.

585
01:36:47,220 --> 01:36:48,820
It did move very quickly.

586
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:50,600
We received three proposals.

587
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:58,200
The evaluation committee did there a evaluation process.

588
01:36:59,020 --> 01:37:06,900
There is always a timeline for our in evaluation because this is a very detailed process,

589
01:37:07,980 --> 01:37:09,740
very detailed solicitation.

590
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,480
The proposals were very detailed.

591
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,760
We did have to go back and ask for additional technical proposals.

592
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:25,580
But, again, I do have the entire timeline for the board if I need to go through that, but at

593
01:37:25,580 --> 01:37:33,140
note point, was there any intent to issue the installation and the work as an emergency

594
01:37:33,140 --> 01:37:33,840
procurement?

595
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:39,500
I hear you that that was not what was requested of you and by no means am I suggesting that

596
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:42,940
you should have done something without it being requested that way.

597
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:50,320
nor am I saying that you should not have done the initial request as it was requested, and that's your job.

598
01:37:54,990 --> 01:38:11,930
But, again, and by the way, I did have, I was not able to find the emergency agreement on the list of, we usually get, at that time we were getting a monthly list of emergency purchases and I did not find it on there, so I'm not sure if that slipped through somehow.

599
01:38:11,930 --> 01:38:15,630
No, it was provided, it is a ratification, I will provide them.

600
01:38:15,630 --> 01:38:35,350
Yeah, I just couldn't find it, I'm not saying that wasn't there, I could not find it, but my, my question still is this was presented on paper to us with the words emergency and immediate and over the two year period to your point, Mr. Anderson, I have asked numerous times about the speed of these things getting done.

601
01:38:35,350 --> 01:39:02,590
I have mostly been poo pooed about that, but the word emergency eventually trailed off from what was presented and then it was called immediate needs on the monthly slides that you presented us to it was called immediate for almost the full two years and only in the last several presentations did the word immediate come off.

602
01:39:02,590 --> 01:39:09,090
So these were being presented as urgent needs, and in the beginning, emergency needs, so much

603
01:39:09,090 --> 01:39:12,710
so that emergency procurement was used for part one of this.

604
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:19,550
It really is odd that the consulting services to analyze something would be considered

605
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:22,910
an emergency, but the rest of the project not an emergency.

606
01:39:23,690 --> 01:39:28,170
I don't understand that, and the logic just escapes me on that.

607
01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:32,030
And I don't understand how we could have gone from an emergency to not an emergency.

608
01:39:32,670 --> 01:39:36,650
Did something in the report just tell us, no, never mind.

609
01:39:37,070 --> 01:39:40,830
And if that's the case, then that should have been communicated back to the board.

610
01:39:41,230 --> 01:39:43,010
Because we had authorized emergency spending.

611
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:48,690
And in addition, the Lerch-based report indicates very clearly that the price was at least

612
01:39:48,690 --> 01:39:50,170
3 million by that time.

613
01:39:50,170 --> 01:39:51,030
That was their estimate.

614
01:39:51,230 --> 01:39:56,810
And we were told 1.65 to on paper every month from then until today.

615
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:59,970
So, you know, I think the-

616
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:08,680
There's a real communication problem. If nothing else, there's a transparency and communication problem here from you all back to the board and to the public.

617
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:16,580
But I have some deeper concerns about what is presented to us as an emergency and how we move from that.

618
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:26,760
And as I mentioned, the fact that we potentially do have real issues right now with our elevators, and we're still not going to start work until March, feels really troubling.

619
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:33,440
This discussion here is a lot deeper than just these elevators in our way and later crystal

620
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:34,960
Ellis.

621
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:42,040
Yeah, just so I understand the emergency procurement was for the duty assessment and so

622
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:42,580
forthright.

623
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:47,140
Now, we learned in the assessment that maybe things weren't quite as bad as what, because

624
01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:48,520
we're not elevator experts, right?

625
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,480
That's why we had to hire and gauge these people.

626
01:40:50,540 --> 01:40:51,760
Elevators are pretty complex.

627
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,620
If you look at elevator repair projects or placement, whatever, and significant buildings,

628
01:40:56,620 --> 01:40:58,520
because they tend to take a while, right?

629
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,060
Very few people that do it, we weren't experts.

630
01:41:01,420 --> 01:41:03,620
So we hired the expert, they give us the assessment.

631
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:04,960
The assessment actually turned out

632
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,240
to be better than what we thought.

633
01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:08,040
At that point in time.

634
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:09,020
Is that a fair statement?

635
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:09,980
Yes, sir.

636
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:10,280
Okay.

637
01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:13,180
So we had a lot of other things that we prioritized

638
01:41:13,180 --> 01:41:14,760
that were bigger deals, right?

639
01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:17,480
The blitz plan so forth in that got done.

640
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,840
That's kind of what I'm here in terms of prioritization, right?

641
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:25,180
All right, maybe we're counting attorneys in here.

642
01:41:25,180 --> 01:41:32,100
I don't remember reading anything in the consent degree report about this being a major concern

643
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:36,300
and need to be addressed, prioritize, et cetera, related to elevators, right?

644
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:42,460
It was not listed as an immediate emergency concern in the report, all right, all right.

645
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:48,880
So we'll just, all right, so it was here before us to approve and then to get past through,

646
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,140
you know, just like any other project would, all right.

647
01:41:53,060 --> 01:41:53,840
Yes, sir.

648
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,840
Okay. All right. Thank you.

649
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,480
Commissioner Thorne.

650
01:42:00,910 --> 01:42:02,190
Thank you for that.

651
01:42:02,710 --> 01:42:10,410
I was going to mention that I don't believe in the consent decree that it was an urgent need that needed to be addressed correct.

652
01:42:11,130 --> 01:42:11,830
That's correct.

653
01:42:12,370 --> 01:42:22,410
And that we had lots of urgent needs that we were having to prioritize at the time and now we can go back and get to the elevator project again.

654
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:23,670
That is correct.

655
01:42:24,490 --> 01:42:28,250
Okay, and I just want to, I mean, it was interesting that there was an article published

656
01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:29,690
in the A.J.C.

657
01:42:30,210 --> 01:42:32,730
The day our agenda came out about the elevators.

658
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:39,210
So I'm hoping Mr. Reed Williams will go back and maybe edit the articles to say that

659
01:42:39,210 --> 01:42:45,190
the amount we approved back in August was for consulting services, not for the actual procurement

660
01:42:45,190 --> 01:42:46,670
and installation.

661
01:42:46,670 --> 01:42:50,450
And it's interesting how an article can come out

662
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:54,530
the day our agenda comes out from the A.J.C.

663
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:58,230
So I'm hoping we can get some accuracy

664
01:42:58,230 --> 01:43:00,310
and we're reporting on what we're doing

665
01:43:00,310 --> 01:43:01,290
and what we're not doing.

666
01:43:01,650 --> 01:43:04,290
But I would love to hear your presentation first

667
01:43:04,290 --> 01:43:08,450
before we, I did reach out to your office to ask about it

668
01:43:08,450 --> 01:43:10,830
because I was notified of this concern

669
01:43:10,830 --> 01:43:13,790
from the share of meeting that I attended yesterday

670
01:43:13,790 --> 01:43:21,030
that I should be outraged about the elevators, and you were gracious enough to inform me.

671
01:43:21,250 --> 01:43:29,570
So I encourage all commissioners up here to kind of reach out to the departments instead of casting blame right away

672
01:43:30,490 --> 01:43:34,010
to get a better understanding of the entire story.

673
01:43:35,210 --> 01:43:36,390
Can you manage to bear it?

674
01:43:37,170 --> 01:43:40,650
I just need to correct the record commissioner Thorn.

675
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:51,490
And the original request was for 1.652 million 52,000 for the survey, the consulting and 1.6 million for the actual work.

676
01:43:51,790 --> 01:43:54,370
So that was actually what we approved in August of 24.

677
01:43:55,290 --> 01:44:00,470
And Mr. Davis will explain why that was inadequate funding after the consultation.

678
01:44:00,970 --> 01:44:09,910
Right, but what I'm saying is you just said that the reporting was wrong and that the only thing we approved was for the survey.

679
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:12,370
and that's not accurate. We approved both.

680
01:44:12,490 --> 01:44:13,930
Beneath we approved both.

681
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:14,950
We shake it.

682
01:44:14,970 --> 01:44:16,610
This is my, I do ask a question.

683
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:17,810
I'm just making a statement.

684
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:22,840
Your finish.

685
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,920
Chairman, I want to reserve the right to be able to speak after.

686
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,040
Mr. Davis speaks.

687
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:30,380
Thank you.

688
01:44:30,500 --> 01:44:31,260
Vice here.

689
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:32,780
Mr. Davis, you have the floor.

690
01:44:34,740 --> 01:44:38,720
As has been stated, elevated modernizations are extremely complex projects.

691
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,560
One of the most highly speak up a little bit, Mr. Davis.

692
01:44:42,460 --> 01:44:43,660
Good morning, Commissioners.

693
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:44,180
Joseph Davis.

694
01:44:44,420 --> 01:44:45,880
Real estate and asset management director.

695
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:50,700
Elevator monetization as has been stated by Commissioner Ellis.

696
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:56,860
Our extremely complex projects to develop and manage.

697
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,820
In this particular case, two answers.

698
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,080
Some of the questions that have been raised, particularly around the emergency agreement with

699
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:11,220
large states. Large states is the pre-eminent third-party elevator consultant in the business and

700
01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:12,580
our region in the fact nationwide.

701
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:19,530
We use the emergency route with large states because we had no other

702
01:45:19,530 --> 01:45:27,090
mechanism to hire them at the dollar value of their proposal. The elevators were experiencing

703
01:45:28,590 --> 01:45:31,190
down time, as they have gotten older.

704
01:45:32,350 --> 01:45:36,130
So we hired large bates because the best practice is to

705
01:45:36,130 --> 01:45:41,110
hire a third party to assess your elevators and then to

706
01:45:41,110 --> 01:45:46,470
develop a set of construction documents that will be set

707
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:49,830
inside of the solicitation for an actual vendor to execute.

708
01:45:51,230 --> 01:45:55,810
One of the things that I think is overlooked is that when you

709
01:45:55,810 --> 01:46:05,190
are in, the issues of damaged elevators versus mechanical failures. The damages are things like

710
01:46:05,190 --> 01:46:12,290
bent doors. Crushed control panels where buttons can't be pressed. Those items have significantly

711
01:46:12,290 --> 01:46:19,250
longer lead times than say a simple component that needs to be ordered and replaced. Are we having a more difficult

712
01:46:19,250 --> 01:46:24,750
time finding them due to the age of the elevators? Absolutely. But when we have to fabricate,

713
01:46:24,750 --> 01:46:35,030
We, that's when we see elevators out of service for lengthy periods of time, and does it impact the share's office and the jail operation negatively, absolutely it does.

714
01:46:36,290 --> 01:46:45,590
But we also must remember that during the time following the approval of the allocation of funding, that occurred in August of 24.

715
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:49,630
We began the jail blitz in September of 23.

716
01:46:51,150 --> 01:46:55,770
Unfortunately, the jail blitz is a very intensive process

717
01:46:55,770 --> 01:46:58,210
that involves multiple contractors.

718
01:46:59,310 --> 01:47:02,170
Had we been able to, for example,

719
01:47:02,450 --> 01:47:05,770
start the elevator modernization in 2025,

720
01:47:06,770 --> 01:47:09,230
we would have brought the blitz to a screeching halt

721
01:47:09,230 --> 01:47:22,390
because we were the endown elevators to an order that we would have limited the number of elevators available to both the sheriff's office and to the contractors that have to move back and forth throughout the jail.

722
01:47:22,990 --> 01:47:27,310
And we're not talking about one or two, we're talking five to six at any given time on any given day.

723
01:47:28,650 --> 01:47:38,390
The second part of that is we also subsequently started the fire alarm project, which arguably is the single most critical project that we're doing right now.

724
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:48,810
And that requires the contractor to move all over the jail, particularly when considering the number of damage field devices, particularly in housing, that had to be replaced.

725
01:47:49,950 --> 01:47:57,830
So at one time, we had a fire alarm upgrade project going on along with the jail blitz, which we reported over the last three years.

726
01:47:58,770 --> 01:48:06,270
There would then no way whatsoever to facilitate the elevator modernization and light of those projects occurring.

727
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:09,990
did we intentionally slow walk the process?

728
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:12,250
No, we didn't.

729
01:48:12,510 --> 01:48:15,970
Did we not make it more urgent than it could have been?

730
01:48:15,970 --> 01:48:17,790
I mean, should have could have been more urgent?

731
01:48:18,150 --> 01:48:19,590
Could we have expedited certainly?

732
01:48:20,370 --> 01:48:23,970
However, the decision was made by me

733
01:48:23,970 --> 01:48:28,630
to go through the process at its normal pace, simply because

734
01:48:28,630 --> 01:48:31,670
the logistics of working in that facility

735
01:48:31,670 --> 01:48:41,670
with a limited number of elevators available considering the damage that's done on an ongoing basis would have been presented us with a logistical nightmare and

736
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:46,850
ultimately none of the projects would have moved forward in the time frame that they should.

737
01:48:48,050 --> 01:48:58,270
I think the last comment that I will make on the list of other questions would be to answer the question regarding the schedule that's presented in the dead package by the vendor.

738
01:48:59,750 --> 01:49:05,970
Yes, they originally proposed essentially a three-year schedule, but it was always contemplated

739
01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:11,090
because it would be a no additional cost to the county for them to have two crews operating

740
01:49:11,090 --> 01:49:16,230
at a time so that we could take two elevators offline at any one time because we have two

741
01:49:16,230 --> 01:49:22,130
different elevator types, hydraulic, and traction that required different levels of expertise.

742
01:49:22,890 --> 01:49:32,830
So, ultimately, the decision to not expedite the georelevator's situation, modernization,

743
01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:39,070
was due to the fact we would have had major logistical challenges, and that's probably

744
01:49:39,070 --> 01:49:44,990
the nicest way to put it, had we gone forward that project in light of the other higher

745
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:45,970
priority projects.

746
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:51,220
All right, Vice Chair, I'm Drew Rancman.

747
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,480
First of all, let me start here with the executive team.

748
01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:59,980
For me, you all are very...

749
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:17,440
And I appreciate the information that you not only give to all of us, I appreciate you all openness to speak about any and everything that we may ask before the camera start rolling on each first and third Wednesday.

750
01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:20,780
That's me speaking. Secondly,

751
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:26,640
county attorney, I'm going to ask you a question, I just need you to answer the question.

752
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:31,240
How many people have perished in the jail?

753
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:36,080
Since this has been going on, when I say,

754
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:37,780
since this has been going on,

755
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,660
since this share of has been in position,

756
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,100
how many deaths have been in the jail?

757
01:50:46,620 --> 01:50:48,780
Vice Chair, I don't have that number off that half of my head,

758
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:52,040
but there are certainly have been several that have occurred.

759
01:50:52,620 --> 01:50:56,160
And also, I would like to add to provide some legal context.

760
01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:06,760
this issue began in August, so in fall of 2024, and at that point we were awaiting the

761
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:13,320
investigative report of the DOJ investigation of the jail. In January of 2025, Fulton County

762
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:20,860
entered into a federal consent decree regarding the jail, which necessarily caused us to

763
01:51:20,860 --> 01:51:25,460
have to reshuffle our priorities and take a look at some of the most urgent priorities

764
01:51:25,460 --> 01:51:32,680
at the jail in light of the consent decree and some of the things that we had been planning

765
01:51:33,220 --> 01:51:37,400
in the normal course of business did have to be reprioritized at that time.

766
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:47,560
And we as a body reprioritized them in order in a line with the DLJ, the monitor, and their

767
01:51:48,980 --> 01:51:54,200
the work of relationship that we had with them. Yes, by sure. We have been working very closely with

768
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:58,800
sheriff's permit with the DOJ, and with the Court of Winded Monitor, since we've entered

769
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:05,020
into this consent decree to ensure that all of our efforts and all of the resources that

770
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:10,740
Fulton County puts into the compliance effort has the most possible impact towards getting

771
01:52:10,740 --> 01:52:14,340
us to compliance and preserving safety at the jail.

772
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,700
Let me ask you this, that DOJ report is how many pages long?

773
01:52:20,140 --> 01:52:21,480
It's in the hundreds of pages.

774
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:27,020
Would you say maybe about 200 pages little shy of maybe I think it may be longer than that for okay?

775
01:52:27,500 --> 01:52:35,640
Okay, 400 something this 400. Thank you commissioner Ellis and of those 400 pages how many references are made

776
01:52:36,220 --> 01:52:37,560
About the elevators

777
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:44,800
So in the monitors reports since we've been in the consent decree elevators are peripherally

778
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:52,000
It's excuse me, peripherally mentioned as items that we have reported on maintenance efforts.

779
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:57,860
But none of the reports have highlighted them as a top priority emergency matter.

780
01:52:58,720 --> 01:52:59,900
Obviously, they are important.

781
01:53:00,180 --> 01:53:05,960
They must be functional, but they have not been highlighted as an immediate top priority emergency.

782
01:53:06,540 --> 01:53:07,560
Okay, thank you for that.

783
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:09,760
I want to bring some focus back to this.

784
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:14,840
Chairman, please forgive me if I go a different direction.

785
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,060
Miss me with the fake outrage, okay?

786
01:53:19,020 --> 01:53:22,540
I received so many calls from constituents.

787
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,020
When this was reported on the news

788
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:29,420
and it was reported on agency, you know, my God,

789
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,560
the house is on fire because some elevators.

790
01:53:33,180 --> 01:53:36,160
Now, I try to stay in my lane.

791
01:53:36,340 --> 01:53:38,540
I don't want to be in the lane of Joe Davis.

792
01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:43,060
I don't want to be in the lane of Felicia Whitaker and I don't want to be in the lane

793
01:53:43,060 --> 01:53:46,720
of our county manager unless I'm going to get their checks.

794
01:53:46,940 --> 01:53:50,920
Now if I'm going to get their checks, I don't mind being in the lane, but if we pay competent

795
01:53:51,580 --> 01:54:00,600
people to do their job and they are making decisions because I promise you, if you listen to

796
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:07,760
what Joe Davis said, if all of those elevators were put out of commission at one time,

797
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,840
It would have been a logistical nightmare.

798
01:54:11,900 --> 01:54:13,700
We've been on the news for that county manager.

799
01:54:14,620 --> 01:54:18,000
So what I'm saying is you can't win when the situation,

800
01:54:18,620 --> 01:54:21,940
when the person in leadership wants a new jail,

801
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:26,220
new flash, new break, you're not going to get a new jail.

802
01:54:27,020 --> 01:54:27,600
You're not.

803
01:54:29,180 --> 01:54:32,040
And I don't know, I could be wrong,

804
01:54:32,540 --> 01:54:34,560
but I received calls from staff members.

805
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:36,580
I received calls from people in the community

806
01:54:36,580 --> 01:54:43,520
that there is a general ideal of let them tear it up.

807
01:54:43,940 --> 01:54:47,460
Let the inmates tear it up and damn it we're going to get a new jail.

808
01:54:48,300 --> 01:54:50,540
Now that's not vice chair could do to talk.

809
01:54:51,140 --> 01:54:55,440
That's community people who are calling me that is employees and

810
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,960
Farmer employees who are calling me, so me.

811
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:05,800
Let me with the fake outrage about elevators.

812
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:18,840
Teller tricks county attorney, how many of the emergency watches or whatever, that contract yield

813
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:26,600
at how many, how many devices, depending on the reports, it's somewhere between 15 and 100.

814
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,580
Okay, and this body approve how much money for that country.

815
01:55:30,660 --> 01:55:32,620
I believe that was 2.5 million.

816
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:36,480
Oh, wow, I am so upset you all.

817
01:55:38,140 --> 01:55:40,600
Miss me with the fake outrage.

818
01:55:41,700 --> 01:55:49,540
You had no outrage for that 2.5 million that was spent on devices that were supposed to make a difference.

819
01:55:49,540 --> 01:55:54,780
And now, oh, well, they may have all day, we would just

820
01:55:54,780 --> 01:55:58,820
date a testing, and we would just, they, excuse me,

821
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:01,680
miss me with the fake outrage.

822
01:56:02,220 --> 01:56:05,240
Now, I know my colleagues are not going to say what I say,

823
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:07,660
because they did just not feel like that, and that's okay.

824
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,020
But when I look at the AJC, and I will look at the news,

825
01:56:12,220 --> 01:56:15,160
and then the share of has a certain feeling about certain stuff,

826
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:16,920
I get it.

827
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:33,920
But I will never sit at this position and allow our county staff, whether it is at the front or it's the executive staff to be thrown under the bus for publicity stunts.

828
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:42,240
If you're going to bring publicity stunts down here, baby, I will stunt all day with you.

829
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:51,900
because our people work hard down here, our people are transparent, our people come in and they

830
01:56:51,900 --> 01:56:59,820
do their job regardless of whether they're going to be thrown under the bus or not. And so chairman,

831
01:57:00,540 --> 01:57:06,400
I will say this, if you're going to be outraged by something, this finds something other than elevators

832
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:07,900
to be outraged about.

833
01:57:09,460 --> 01:57:10,560
I would appreciate

834
01:57:11,220 --> 01:57:14,280
our counted executive team being respected

835
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,040
to work in their lane.

836
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,340
Here again, I'm a legislator.

837
01:57:20,580 --> 01:57:22,060
They don't mean I can't question them.

838
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:26,060
They don't mean we might not have a difference of opinion

839
01:57:26,060 --> 01:57:26,880
on something.

840
01:57:28,460 --> 01:57:29,520
I don't do your job.

841
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:30,800
I don't do your job.

842
01:57:30,980 --> 01:57:33,200
And so I've got a trust that the decisions

843
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:39,760
is that you all make our decisions made in the best interest of Fulton County and its tax

844
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:46,280
paying citizens and I believe that I will stand on it until I see something other than

845
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:54,180
publicity stunts I stand remaining humbled by the fact that you all are continually under attack

846
01:57:54,180 --> 01:57:57,900
because somebody wants a new jail. It ain't happening. Thank you, Chairman.

847
01:57:58,520 --> 01:57:59,900
Thank you, Vice Chair.

848
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:01,540
Mr. Ellis?

849
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:03,120
Yeah, Mr. Davis.

850
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,740
I really appreciate you kind of walking us through things.

851
01:58:05,780 --> 01:58:09,140
One thing that sort of struck me in some of the remarks you made,

852
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:14,220
with the comments about continual damage to the elevators,

853
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:16,700
bent doors and that sort of stuff.

854
01:58:18,060 --> 01:58:19,400
I guess some of that could be natural,

855
01:58:19,740 --> 01:58:22,920
some of that could also be bandalism,

856
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,940
you know, people doing something inside the elevators, that correct?

857
01:58:26,900 --> 01:58:34,960
Yeah, and I think we had to receive the note that all the elevators are now, I mean,

858
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:36,760
or functioning at the jail.

859
01:58:37,020 --> 01:58:41,080
I remember that there's been down time, but they're all, so many times, mostly elevators

860
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:44,980
have been functional, but we have experienced down time from time to time.

861
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:45,940
That's great.

862
01:58:47,140 --> 01:58:53,960
Yeah, and I just struck me given that comment you made that, you know, we get,

863
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:56,800
And I'll echo with Vice Chair's comments.

864
01:58:57,060 --> 01:59:06,300
I mean, some of the, when we received some of these core correspondence and some of the stuff, it just appears to be a little bit more contrived.

865
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:11,240
But this paragraph and a letter we received from the sheriff.

866
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:17,000
Last night, one of the only two functional elevators at the jail became stuck between two floors.

867
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:22,820
All transporting one officer in four inmate residents.

868
01:59:24,020 --> 01:59:30,460
Nothing happened, but is up in his lead in, is during that time, the officer was confined

869
01:59:30,460 --> 01:59:35,200
in an upper aisle, but were four individuals in our custody, with no ability to exit, and

870
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,320
critically no ill-billy officers would meet a reach for a system.

871
01:59:38,980 --> 01:59:44,820
I guess when I'm not into going in and trying to throw all the stuff around in the press,

872
01:59:44,820 --> 01:59:49,220
and all this were stuff. But when I read this, I didn't respond to it. But when I read

873
01:59:49,220 --> 01:59:54,780
this, the most thing that struck me the most was, what was one officer doing in the elevator

874
01:59:54,780 --> 01:59:59,980
with four inmates? I mean, I'm not a law enforcement professional, but I...

875
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,680
Pretty good sense, so that's probably not the standard ratio. You probably want to, on there, if that's the case, right?

876
02:00:09,180 --> 02:00:14,740
Because that could happen irrespective of whether or not whatever is going on with our elevator system.

877
02:00:16,780 --> 02:00:29,020
So that was a piece that struck me. And then when I go and I read, you know, kind of I'm getting on track here Mr. Chairman, but this, this was invited, all of this was invited by others on here.

878
02:00:29,020 --> 02:00:40,320
But when I, you know, we've made this sort of the important thing that hiring detention officers is the most important thing we could do in all the sort of stuff circles back to staff in many ways.

879
02:00:42,020 --> 02:00:51,600
And, you know, there's a, and then the monitors report, you know, back to us, there's a, there's a quota says the ability to fill those posts are meant to detention officers.

880
02:00:53,060 --> 02:01:00,480
remain significantly strengthened, constrained by staffing shortages and a lack of urgency for the

881
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:05,000
Fulton County Sheriff Office leadership to utilize all available resources to mitigate the profound

882
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:05,900
staffing crisis.

883
02:01:09,100 --> 02:01:14,700
The stuff is not all unrelated. It's my point. I hope we go ahead and approve this,

884
02:01:14,740 --> 02:01:20,860
move forward with it, continue to get these things up to speed and I appreciate you all walking us

885
02:01:20,860 --> 02:01:25,440
through all of the history of this in a professional way,

886
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:32,180
not in an anecdotal, whatever you want to say kind of way.

887
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:34,520
All right, Vice Chair, I'll have to rock mine.

888
02:01:34,900 --> 02:01:37,540
Thank you, Chairman, my last comment on this

889
02:01:37,540 --> 02:01:41,380
is really more or less educating the public.

890
02:01:43,140 --> 02:01:47,900
Mr. Davis, the maintenance of the jail

891
02:01:47,900 --> 02:01:51,280
is who was responsible for the responsibility.

892
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:52,940
I'm talking about the relationship management.

893
02:01:54,100 --> 02:02:00,620
And you all are required to maintain that regardless if it's something that you have

894
02:02:00,620 --> 02:02:05,360
to go back and redo one, two, three times a week.

895
02:02:05,380 --> 02:02:11,680
I'm just throwing numbers out there because I want the people to listen to understand your

896
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:16,780
job and part of what you all do is to make sure you maintain something.

897
02:02:16,780 --> 02:02:23,480
It doesn't matter if you put something in brand new and you've come back here and parked

898
02:02:23,480 --> 02:02:26,640
and it's broken and not functioning by the time you get here.

899
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:29,140
You got to go back and still see it by the correct.

900
02:02:29,240 --> 02:02:30,100
Yes ma'am, that is correct.

901
02:02:30,340 --> 02:02:37,000
So your job is to make sure that you maintain and a lot of things come up, a lot of things

902
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:45,140
happen and your goal and your department is to prioritize and to work with the share of what

903
02:02:45,140 --> 02:02:52,980
the priorities are, and to make sure those that our priorities are done as well as any new

904
02:02:52,980 --> 02:02:58,540
service needs that come up simultaneously with that be a correct, the same bed is correct.

905
02:02:58,860 --> 02:02:59,360
Okay, thank you.

906
02:02:59,460 --> 02:03:00,840
I just want to listen to the public to know.

907
02:03:01,060 --> 02:03:01,460
Thank you.

908
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:01,720
All right.

909
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:02,500
Any other comments?

910
02:03:03,860 --> 02:03:04,820
Thank you.

911
02:03:06,990 --> 02:03:07,410
Mr. Davis.

912
02:03:07,550 --> 02:03:13,890
The motion on the floor is to approve motion to approve our commissioner, Arlington, seconded by Vice

913
02:03:13,890 --> 02:03:15,070
Chair, Optu Rock von.

914
02:03:15,070 --> 02:03:17,510
please vote, appreciate your favorable vote.

915
02:03:17,670 --> 02:03:18,670
And the vote is open.

916
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:26,590
And the motion passes, six J, zero name.

917
02:03:26,690 --> 02:03:27,270
Next item.

918
02:03:27,590 --> 02:03:31,470
26, 0, 5, excuse me, 0, 5, 3, 9,

919
02:03:31,670 --> 02:03:33,770
who has the rules to renew existing contracts

920
02:03:33,770 --> 02:03:36,670
for roof maintenance repair and replacement services

921
02:03:36,670 --> 02:03:41,190
in the total amount not to exceed 1,500,000 dollars.

922
02:03:41,210 --> 02:03:42,950
All right, motion to approve by Vice Chair

923
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:46,030
after rock mines, seconded by Commissioner Ariane.

924
02:03:47,050 --> 02:03:47,870
And the vote is open.

925
02:03:51,930 --> 02:03:56,730
And the motion passes, six shades, zero nays, on pay six.

926
02:03:58,230 --> 02:04:02,970
26, zero five, four, zero, request approval to renew and exist in contract.

927
02:04:03,090 --> 02:04:08,970
In the mountain out to exceed $1,045,000 to provide bus and shuttle services for

928
02:04:08,970 --> 02:04:11,150
Fulton County employees and jurors.

929
02:04:11,230 --> 02:04:14,870
Motion to approve our vice chair, I'll do rock line seconded by Commissioner

930
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:15,930
Thorne.

931
02:04:15,930 --> 02:04:17,690
and the vote is open,

932
02:04:23,260 --> 02:04:28,440
and the motion passes, 6J-0 Nays, 26, 0.541,

933
02:04:29,060 --> 02:04:31,680
requests approved to increase spending authority in the total amount,

934
02:04:31,780 --> 02:04:39,380
not to exceed 329, 485, 80 cent, to provide an additional landscape

935
02:04:39,380 --> 02:04:41,520
ground maintenance lawn care services.

936
02:04:41,660 --> 02:04:46,000
Motion to approve of Vice Chair, up to Rockmont, seconded by Commissioner Thorne.

937
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:47,880
and the vote is open.

938
02:04:52,180 --> 02:04:54,660
And the vote should pass this, six shades, zero nays.

939
02:04:55,100 --> 02:04:56,730
26, zero, five, four, two.

940
02:04:57,720 --> 02:04:59,980
We request the rules to amend an existing contract.

941
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,680
All right, for janitorial services in the amount that's exceed 1309,000, $353,000, $353.

942
02:05:07,820 --> 02:05:12,760
Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Vice Chair, I'll do a rock line.

943
02:05:13,460 --> 02:05:14,480
And the vote is open.

944
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:23,760
And the motion passes, six shades, zero nays. Under health and human services,

945
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:27,240
This is 26.0543 public works.

946
02:05:27,860 --> 02:05:33,120
Request approval to renew an existing contract in an amount not to exceed $950,000 for

947
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:37,120
by standby utility pavement patching and paving services.

948
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:41,140
Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Vice Chair, up to your right

949
02:05:41,140 --> 02:05:42,040
mind.

950
02:05:42,900 --> 02:05:43,940
On the vote is open

951
02:05:46,700 --> 02:05:52,140
and the motion passes, six j's, zero nays, 26.0544.

952
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:56,700
Request the approval to renew an existing contract in an amount in that 60,

953
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:03,940
$245,000 for bank chemicals for drinking water and treated waste water analysis.

954
02:06:04,260 --> 02:06:07,720
All right, motion to approve my Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Vice Chair.

955
02:06:07,940 --> 02:06:09,020
I'll do a rock line.

956
02:06:09,940 --> 02:06:11,100
And the vote is open.

957
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:21,080
And the motion passes five-eight zero-nays on pay seven.

958
02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:29,780
260545, request approval to increase spending authority and amount not to exceed 441,

959
02:06:30,260 --> 02:06:34,200
34 dollars to provide water meter reading services.

960
02:06:34,260 --> 02:06:38,640
Motion to approve Vice Chair after rock line seconded by Commissioner Thorn.

961
02:06:39,500 --> 02:06:40,540
And the vote is open.

962
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:49,380
In the motion passes, six shades, zero nays.

963
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:56,600
260546, request approval of an in-governmental agreement between Fulton County and the city

964
02:06:56,600 --> 02:07:06,140
of Rothswell for water main, betterments, and relocations in an estimated amount of $1,454,580.

965
02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:11,400
Motion to approve our Commissioner Thorn seconded by Vice Chair, up to your rock line.

966
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:13,220
In the vote is open.

967
02:07:18,380 --> 02:07:23,440
In the motion passes, six shades, zero nays, 26,0547,

968
02:07:24,180 --> 02:07:33,980
Request approval over the IGA between Fulton County and the City of Milton for water-made relocations in an estimated amount of $284,800.

969
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:39,260
Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne's second advice chair, I'll do rock mine.

970
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:40,900
And the vote is open.

971
02:07:46,210 --> 02:07:54,210
and motion passes six J zero nays on the justice and safety 260548 police

972
02:07:54,990 --> 02:07:59,210
request approval to increase spending authority for automobile repair services

973
02:07:59,210 --> 02:08:02,310
in the amount of $68,000.

974
02:08:03,570 --> 02:08:03,630
All right.

975
02:08:03,790 --> 02:08:07,990
And the motion to approve Christian Thor in the seconded by Commissioner Ellis.

976
02:08:08,530 --> 02:08:10,010
And the vote is open.

977
02:08:16,940 --> 02:08:19,500
And the motion passes six J zero nays.

978
02:08:19,500 --> 02:08:21,440
Now, these next three are all the same.

979
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:23,080
You will sound them together.

980
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:25,460
Okay, commissioners, action items.

981
02:08:25,620 --> 02:08:26,160
All of them.

982
02:08:26,220 --> 02:08:26,980
Vice Chair of the Javan.

983
02:08:27,300 --> 02:08:27,640
Comment.

984
02:08:28,740 --> 02:08:29,020
Mm-hmm.

985
02:08:29,260 --> 02:08:30,240
No, sir.

986
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:38,500
260549, request approval resolution to support a portable home ownership in the vine city neighborhood

987
02:08:38,500 --> 02:08:46,180
by approving a grant from funds previously set aside to aid in the construction of 12 new affordable single family homes

988
02:08:46,180 --> 02:08:53,820
and for other purposes, 260550 request approval resolution to support affordable housing in the

989
02:08:53,820 --> 02:08:59,920
vine city neighborhood by proving a grant to aid in the construction of an 18 unit affordable

990
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:07,940
multi-family development and for other purposes, 260551 request approval resolution to support

991
02:09:07,940 --> 02:09:14,120
affordable housing in the English Avenue neighborhood by proving a grant to aid in the construction

992
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:19,220
of a 25-unit affordable multi-family development and for other purposes.

993
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:21,180
All right, favorable motion on all three back.

994
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:24,100
Mr. Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Arrington.

995
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:27,400
And the vote is open.

996
02:09:34,630 --> 02:09:37,330
And the motion passes, five-eight, zero-nase.

997
02:09:38,930 --> 02:09:43,730
On page eight, next three items are all administrative committee

998
02:09:43,730 --> 02:09:46,070
of the Fulton County Define Contribution Plan.

999
02:09:46,070 --> 02:09:58,270
26, 0, 5, 5, 2, by share at dual rock mine has nominated Yannas Simultitis for a full-board

1000
02:09:58,270 --> 02:09:59,970
report net to turn in the DC.

1001
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:11,940
December 31, 2028. Can all three of these be? Yes, take those. 26, 0553. If I share, I do a rock mine has nominated Kim Turner for

1002
02:10:11,940 --> 02:10:22,780
full board re-appointment to the term ending December 31, 2029. 26, 0554. If I share, I do a rock mine has nominated

1003
02:10:22,780 --> 02:10:28,980
done May for a full-board re-apportment to a term in the December 31st, 2026.

1004
02:10:29,500 --> 02:10:34,220
All right, favor motion on all three, motion to do so to prove our Commissioner Ellis

1005
02:10:34,220 --> 02:10:37,500
seconded by Commissioner Thorne.

1006
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:38,580
And the vote is open.

1007
02:10:43,230 --> 02:10:50,230
And the motion passes six shades zero-nays on page nine, Commissioner's presentation and

1008
02:10:50,230 --> 02:11:00,950
discussion items, 26, 0556, detention officer, staffing progress, sponsored by Commissioner

1009
02:11:00,950 --> 02:11:01,770
Ellis.

1010
02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:15,160
Update in terms of what our net new hiring position is for detention officers today.

1011
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:17,600
Mr. Herman, is that you?

1012
02:11:17,820 --> 02:11:18,500
I'm so sorry.

1013
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:37,620
On your screen, I'm sorry.

1014
02:11:37,940 --> 02:11:38,340
Good morning.

1015
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:40,720
I'm Kenneth L. Herman, junior chief HR officer.

1016
02:11:40,720 --> 02:11:50,060
On your screen commissioners is our standard update on staff and related to the jail activity within the share office.

1017
02:11:51,540 --> 02:11:56,640
You're familiar with this document and I'll just walk you through the charts in three different sections.

1018
02:11:57,700 --> 02:12:10,040
The top chart is a snapshot on the hiring activity of sworn officers dedicated to work specifically and only within the jail units within the Fulton County.

1019
02:12:10,040 --> 02:12:18,640
Sheriff's Office and illustrates our historical activities in the January to where we are now in September, September 2.

1020
02:12:19,500 --> 02:12:26,460
To date, we have hired 103 sworn officers in detention officer and deputy roles

1021
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:32,160
and unfortunately during that same time period, we've separated about 45.

1022
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:36,100
which brings the net new hires to 58.

1023
02:12:37,820 --> 02:12:42,680
The second portion of the chart tracks our activity

1024
02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:45,040
with our outside vendor, the walls group

1025
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:48,140
who has been secured as a vendor

1026
02:12:48,140 --> 02:12:52,840
to assist the sheriff with fill in the 392 positions

1027
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:57,250
that were identified as needed within the report

1028
02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:00,240
that we received by our third party vendor.

1029
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:09,080
And it tracks the number of completed applications that we receive from applicants interested in those positions.

1030
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:22,420
After walls does their review and packages of those candidates that have passed the initial review process that is a combined review of walls and some of the questions that is shift acts.

1031
02:13:22,420 --> 02:13:29,560
That information is sent to the sheriff's office, and then finally the last row speaks to the number of actual hires.

1032
02:13:29,860 --> 02:13:38,860
So taking those things in order since January, we receive 1,300 plus completed packets from interest in applicants from throughout the country.

1033
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:49,580
Of that population, 332 have been sent to the sheriff's office for consideration, and to date 57 have been hired.

1034
02:13:49,580 --> 02:13:55,140
One caveat that is not captured here on the table is to our knowledge.

1035
02:13:55,880 --> 02:14:02,240
The sheriff has eliminated 181 of the 332 out of the population.

1036
02:14:02,900 --> 02:14:10,020
So he roughly has roughly around about 100 or so candidates still in the consideration process

1037
02:14:10,020 --> 02:14:14,080
at some way along the path within his internal operations.

1038
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:22,180
the last part of the chart, then again provide you with a forecast, not that we have

1039
02:14:22,180 --> 02:14:30,840
six to seven months of good data and we can now see trends with the hiring based on

1040
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:37,040
the industry standard that the HR office was able to find. Our current applicant to

1041
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:47,420
is roughly 2.77, which equates to, for each 37 applications received from walls, we're going to make one higher.

1042
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:54,000
The industry benchmark that we found was anywhere between 3.5 to 5 applicants

1043
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:59,980
is where you need to be, which would equate to, for every 28 applications you make one.

1044
02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:29,980
And then the yellow box, again, just as an opportunity to set the stage for your commissioners, is, you know, taking the current trend and time frame that we're seeing in higher, within the sheriff's office, what is phone officers that are working within the detention units, based on the numbers, and based on the calculations on the applicant to higher rate, the high, the first 200 of the 392, and so on.

1045
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:36,480
positions needed within the jail. It'll take an estimated 3.4 years to do that at the current pace.

1046
02:15:37,060 --> 02:15:43,280
Now in recent months, we've seen an uptick in hiring. As you can see, there's a big spike in August,

1047
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:48,680
where I think that's the biggest amount or the highest number of hires in the month of August of 29.

1048
02:15:50,060 --> 02:15:58,500
And I get an email on Friday that will also project how many new hires were in the pipeline for September.

1049
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:03,500
And I'll stop here and answer any questions that you may have.

1050
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:05,620
All right.

1051
02:16:05,780 --> 02:16:06,280
Mr. Ellis?

1052
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:07,200
Just real quick.

1053
02:16:07,480 --> 02:16:07,540
Sure.

1054
02:16:07,900 --> 02:16:11,680
I mean, just not really in questions, but just put the goal up there.

1055
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:12,420
The goal is 200.

1056
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:13,400
Not a month ago.

1057
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:14,300
It's our yearly goal.

1058
02:16:14,420 --> 02:16:14,980
Put it up there.

1059
02:16:15,140 --> 02:16:17,000
200 track up progress.

1060
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:18,780
We're at 29%.

1061
02:16:18,780 --> 02:16:19,620
But that up there.

1062
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:20,420
That's our target.

1063
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:22,940
That's what we should be measuring ourselves up against.

1064
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:26,620
The time to fill is interesting.

1065
02:16:26,620 --> 02:16:33,940
but it's also somewhat of a misnomer since we didn't do really jack squat up until the last couple of months, right?

1066
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:36,640
I mean, it was just called spade a spade.

1067
02:16:37,560 --> 02:16:44,280
And then like we did, this it looks like this process actually could work if you did what you did in August.

1068
02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:45,660
It can work.

1069
02:16:46,380 --> 02:16:46,980
Yes, all right.

1070
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:52,200
So that's the validating piece that it can work if we follow it through and we do the work.

1071
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:58,820
But right now, we didn't do anything these months, so we're at 29% at a target of 200, right?

1072
02:16:59,500 --> 02:16:59,680
Correct.

1073
02:17:00,020 --> 02:17:00,200
All right.

1074
02:17:00,300 --> 02:17:01,000
Put it up there.

1075
02:17:01,460 --> 02:17:02,240
200 is a target.

1076
02:17:02,740 --> 02:17:03,620
200 is a miss it.

1077
02:17:03,820 --> 02:17:04,580
We miss the gold.

1078
02:17:05,020 --> 02:17:05,040
Yes.

1079
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:06,820
All right.

1080
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:09,200
All right.

1081
02:17:09,380 --> 02:17:10,640
Vice Chair, I do rock mine.

1082
02:17:11,460 --> 02:17:12,740
Mr. Hermann.

1083
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,520
Did the elevators in and of the elevators being down,

1084
02:17:16,520 --> 02:17:21,200
have anything to do with these people not being higher?

1085
02:17:22,560 --> 02:17:23,060
No commissioner.

1086
02:17:23,060 --> 02:17:30,900
Oh, wow, somebody called AJC, somebody called two five and eleven right now, I

1087
02:17:30,900 --> 02:17:34,320
Know that sound a little Christian, but let's listen to me when I say this

1088
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:39,080
And count it attorney if I am wrong in my statement

1089
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:41,980
Please correct me

1090
02:17:41,980 --> 02:17:47,900
These staff at issue at the jail is critical. It was identified

1091
02:17:49,580 --> 02:17:52,440
in the report from the D.L. J

1092
02:17:52,440 --> 02:18:00,280
And as a body, this body has done everything in its power to help

1093
02:18:01,660 --> 02:18:06,580
attack that shortage of style. Is that correct?

1094
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:13,980
Yes, Vice Chair, the staffing shortage at the jail has consistently been

1095
02:18:13,980 --> 02:18:17,720
identified as the number one top priority to improve safety.

1096
02:18:19,140 --> 02:18:22,620
I just don't know what's going on. I'm just outraged right now.

1097
02:18:22,620 --> 02:18:26,540
Do you see we're talking about people lives?

1098
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:31,260
The Mr. Herman, are you able to even speak to why?

1099
02:18:31,680 --> 02:18:33,960
How many people did you say at the same time?

1100
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:40,320
We're separated from the job.

1101
02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:42,840
The same time is if the hiring was going on,

1102
02:18:42,940 --> 02:18:46,280
it was people leaving, do you have any information,

1103
02:18:46,500 --> 02:18:50,160
exit interviews or anything that can speak to why that happened?

1104
02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:58,900
Commissioners, we are in the final stages of collecting data on from that population of

1105
02:18:58,900 --> 02:19:04,680
the 103, of course, is not volunteer environment that hopefully they provided some feedback.

1106
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:09,900
From what was, I will wait until the next board mean before I make an assumption because

1107
02:19:09,900 --> 02:19:14,540
I've only seen two of what we received thus far, but we've gotten some good information and

1108
02:19:14,540 --> 02:19:20,900
the next board meeting I'll be able to provide you a lot more detail as to what those employees

1109
02:19:20,900 --> 02:19:25,900
that will form accounting employees working full-time in the jail, what they are saying

1110
02:19:25,900 --> 02:19:31,760
or the reasons they left and chose another employer, other than full-than accounting organization.

1111
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:43,000
Because the concern of mine is if that trend keeps up, we're bleeding. It's nothing, you can't put

1112
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:54,060
I mean, I mean, it's nothing that we can do here even with walls, it's nothing they can do if we have that type of turnover.

1113
02:19:55,260 --> 02:19:59,960
And so what I want to go and record here in Fullerton County.

1114
02:20:00,860 --> 02:20:22,760
This Board has done everything that this Board can possibly do. We need help. We need a way to make sure that these people not only that are working their stay there, and the ones that have come in that are being, I guess,

1115
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:34,180
But then the final decision as to whether they are hired or not is at the hands of the sheriff, correct?

1116
02:20:34,340 --> 02:20:35,240
Absolutely correct.

1117
02:20:35,940 --> 02:20:42,740
Okay, so we need to make sure that whatever decisions are being made,

1118
02:20:42,900 --> 02:20:50,660
that they are being made with the timeliness of the fact that the staffing shortage is very critical

1119
02:20:50,660 --> 02:20:53,700
and it was part of what the D.O.J.

1120
02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:56,640
This is not Vice Chair of D.O.R. Mon.

1121
02:20:57,000 --> 02:20:58,400
This is not Commissioner Thorne.

1122
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:00,140
This is not Chairman Roth.

1123
02:21:00,180 --> 02:21:03,060
It's saying it's a staffing shortage.

1124
02:21:03,880 --> 02:21:06,300
The Department of Justice, the Monitor,

1125
02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:11,280
from day one, identified that as being critical.

1126
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:17,060
So it needs to be taken critical by our department.

1127
02:21:17,180 --> 02:21:18,080
Thank you, Mr. Herman.

1128
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:19,620
Thank you, Commissioner.

1129
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,800
Anything else?

1130
02:21:23,940 --> 02:21:25,120
Commissioner Thorne?

1131
02:21:26,860 --> 02:21:29,780
Without going into specifics.

1132
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:38,640
In the sheriff's office, does he have an abundance in positions while still having

1133
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:42,700
a shortage in the detention facility officers?

1134
02:21:47,220 --> 02:21:50,240
And I'll couch my answer like this commissioner.

1135
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:59,700
In the CDLs, in the study, it did articulate the number of positions that they felt were needed

1136
02:21:59,700 --> 02:22:01,500
for the respective ranks.

1137
02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:10,760
When you look at that number in comparison to the current number of positions in the respective

1138
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:14,660
ranks, within the sheriff's department, and specifically at the jail.

1139
02:22:14,660 --> 02:22:32,020
and says yes, there is an opportunity to better align those ranks to where we have a little bit of excess, you know, switch those around, of course, where we're short and we know we're short and 200 detention officers, that's where you're trying to add in as well.

1140
02:22:32,660 --> 02:22:41,240
So there is an opportunity for the shares department to move closer into alignment with the numbers that were recommended in the CGL study.

1141
02:22:41,240 --> 02:22:43,660
Okay, thank you for that clarification.

1142
02:22:44,700 --> 02:22:47,220
All right, other questions, Vice Chair, I'll do one.

1143
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:50,420
Well, Mr. Herman, I'm not going to let you off like that.

1144
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:57,940
In the study, we not find that there was top heaviness.

1145
02:22:58,660 --> 02:23:06,060
And what I mean by that, there were people as supervisory positions that did not have any direct reports.

1146
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:10,560
Yes, I'm no sir.

1147
02:23:11,660 --> 02:23:13,900
I'm trying to think back to the study.

1148
02:23:14,220 --> 02:23:20,500
I can't remember reading that specifically what I can say that, yes, the CEL study did say that

1149
02:23:20,500 --> 02:23:26,600
we have higher number of ranks that is needed for the facility at that level of rank.

1150
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:28,240
Well, I can say it, yes, it did.

1151
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:36,540
It said there was a concern that their war in some cases individuals in supervised position

1152
02:23:36,540 --> 02:23:40,280
with no direct reports, and they saw that as a problem.

1153
02:23:40,900 --> 02:23:43,860
And so I hope that's being addressed as well.

1154
02:23:44,740 --> 02:23:48,120
I would ask that by the next meeting,

1155
02:23:48,740 --> 02:23:50,520
when you come back to us in two weeks,

1156
02:23:51,720 --> 02:23:53,920
if you can just look at that

1157
02:23:53,920 --> 02:23:56,240
and see if there has been alleviated,

1158
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:57,620
or if that's still a problem.

1159
02:23:57,840 --> 02:23:58,620
Thank you.

1160
02:23:59,900 --> 02:24:02,580
Thank you, Vice Chair, Mr. Herman anything else?

1161
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:03,260
No commissioner.

1162
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:04,400
Thank you.

1163
02:24:04,660 --> 02:24:05,140
Next item.

1164
02:24:05,140 --> 02:24:15,860
26, 0557 discussion update on submission of the 2026 tax taxes sponsored by Commissioner Ellis.

1165
02:24:15,880 --> 02:24:16,380
Commissioner.

1166
02:24:17,080 --> 02:24:25,780
Yeah, I'm just really my question here is, or we, I've made a request for a response from the taxes,

1167
02:24:25,780 --> 02:24:30,420
whether or not we were going to receive a digest by September 4.

1168
02:24:30,420 --> 02:24:37,720
So, how does that information been provided to the tax commissioner or not?

1169
02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:40,760
It's really just my question for that.

1170
02:24:43,960 --> 02:24:45,300
Mr. Conneye, can you address that?

1171
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:48,760
Yes, as I've just been submitted to the tax assessor.

1172
02:24:51,020 --> 02:24:51,680
Good afternoon, Chair.

1173
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:53,200
Good afternoon, commissioners.

1174
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:58,460
To answer your question, we have completed the outstanding land packages,

1175
02:24:58,840 --> 02:24:59,980
and we're starting the process.

1176
02:25:03,340 --> 02:25:03,860
Okay,

1177
02:25:07,740 --> 02:25:24,880
that sort of answers my question, it didn't really answer my question. Is it been handed over to the tax commissioner or not, and sort of when we have a lot of side in terms of when, and I realize there's two parties in this, but when, when we could receive a digest.

1178
02:25:26,020 --> 02:25:32,000
Well, again, our part was to complete the valuation of the information that's been provided

1179
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:34,000
to him as of when.

1180
02:25:34,500 --> 02:25:36,120
So they started the process.

1181
02:25:36,280 --> 02:25:37,360
Speak up, Mr. Conley.

1182
02:25:38,140 --> 02:25:40,680
They started the process as of today.

1183
02:25:40,980 --> 02:25:41,100
Okay.

1184
02:25:42,360 --> 02:25:47,540
I guess if you want to call it, it's officially have been completed and they're in the process

1185
02:25:47,540 --> 02:25:52,260
of finalizing the digest, meaning team members from the Board of Associates in the Tax

1186
02:25:52,260 --> 02:25:52,760
Commissioner.

1187
02:25:53,380 --> 02:25:53,540
Okay.

1188
02:25:53,540 --> 02:25:56,600
So to get to a balance, they have to work together.

1189
02:25:57,060 --> 02:25:58,940
But that information was provided to them yesterday.

1190
02:25:59,540 --> 02:26:00,560
Yes, we complete our work.

1191
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:00,960
Okay.

1192
02:26:01,760 --> 02:26:01,920
Okay.

1193
02:26:02,300 --> 02:26:02,560
All right.

1194
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:03,740
Thank you for that.

1195
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:09,280
And in terms of, in this of maybe from Mr. Rubikki,

1196
02:26:09,580 --> 02:26:15,780
like if we have this and if this faces itself through and we receive,

1197
02:26:17,260 --> 02:26:22,380
what, I guess you've got some sort of like potential schedule we could be looking at,

1198
02:26:22,380 --> 02:26:26,660
Just give us the assumption in terms of what this is based on.

1199
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:31,810
So, Mike, are we key strategy and performance management?

1200
02:26:32,450 --> 02:26:38,730
So, this again is based off of our dates and what we have seen so far working with the

1201
02:26:38,730 --> 02:26:44,490
tax assessor in the task commissioner, actually give us a couple of days.

1202
02:26:44,570 --> 02:26:49,310
Can we go to slide number three

1203
02:26:51,480 --> 02:26:52,420
presentation?

1204
02:26:53,340 --> 02:27:00,040
just want to kind of give you guys based off of this. So again, starting today as Mr. Conley

1205
02:27:00,040 --> 02:27:05,580
had stated, the tax commissioner has been told and it has been confirmed by the tax

1206
02:27:05,580 --> 02:27:09,840
assessor that the information was submitted and has been completed for valuations

1207
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:15,780
and land packages. They are beginning that balancing process with the tax assessor's

1208
02:27:15,780 --> 02:27:21,500
confirmation. Currently again, as Mr. Conley mentioned, there is review data cleanup that

1209
02:27:21,500 --> 02:27:26,100
That team is going to be working on along with our vendor, just to make sure everything gets done.

1210
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:30,720
Then there is a target for completion of the balancing in mid-September.

1211
02:27:31,460 --> 02:27:34,620
And then the estimate packages would be sent to the jurisdictions again,

1212
02:27:34,700 --> 02:27:36,560
or along with that same mid-September timeframe.

1213
02:27:37,780 --> 02:27:38,620
Next slide.

1214
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:43,720
Just to give you guys a little bit more as to what we're looking at.

1215
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:50,620
What we're looking at as a proposed schedule at this point in time is that in order to set the millage rate,

1216
02:27:50,620 --> 02:27:54,640
The Board would actually approve and propose

1217
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:58,680
military at the September 16th, B.O.C. meeting.

1218
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:01,840
The ad would then be sent over to our

1219
02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:04,520
publishers, newspapers that day, for publishing

1220
02:28:04,520 --> 02:28:06,000
on the 23rd of September.

1221
02:28:07,160 --> 02:28:09,520
We would also recommend a special call meeting

1222
02:28:09,520 --> 02:28:12,640
of the Board of County Commissioners for September 30th

1223
02:28:12,640 --> 02:28:14,520
in order to stay on a quick and timeline to get

1224
02:28:14,520 --> 02:28:16,660
this submitted to the state, where you

1225
02:28:16,660 --> 02:28:18,660
would have the first and second public hearings.

1226
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:42,760
1 at 10 a.m. and 1 at 6 p.m. respectively, if that is the will of the board, that would then require the tax commissioner to actually submit another extension to the Department of Revenue for the submission of the digest and we would then hold the third public hearing on October 7 with the BOC to actually set the military to.

1227
02:28:42,760 --> 02:28:45,180
the next slide.

1228
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:52,260
So again, one of the things we want to make sure that we

1229
02:28:52,260 --> 02:28:59,720
everybody understands is that once the millage rates are adopted by in the

1230
02:28:59,720 --> 02:29:03,840
tax commissioner finalizes the calculations that will be submitted to the

1231
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:09,780
department of revenue, we will need to get all of the confirmations from all

1232
02:29:09,780 --> 02:29:13,960
of the jurisdictions that they've had their hearings, they've published their

1233
02:29:13,960 --> 02:29:22,000
that's for the military, then we would actually estimate that submission to DLR around mid-October.

1234
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:27,380
What's we collect all that information, and then we would project the approval from the

1235
02:29:27,380 --> 02:29:30,560
Department of Revenue would be around the end of October.

1236
02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:37,440
And then milling of tax bills would be estimated around mid-November at that point.

1237
02:29:43,650 --> 02:29:45,730
Two or three quick questions.

1238
02:29:46,490 --> 02:29:48,590
Well, in this sort of points of emphasis.

1239
02:29:49,950 --> 02:29:51,890
All right, so if you go back to page three,

1240
02:29:52,290 --> 02:29:56,650
all of this, schedule this outline really is predicated on

1241
02:29:57,430 --> 02:29:59,890
this balancing thing to happen.

1242
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:16,620
All right, correct. All right. And so for us to be able to be sitting here on September 16th, you know, approving and proposed misled rate, when does our staff need that information by to make that part work?

1243
02:30:17,620 --> 02:30:19,920
I'm going to actually make that over to you.

1244
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:20,980
that was CFO.

1245
02:30:23,480 --> 02:30:34,020
Thanks Mike. We would need it by the previous Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest

1246
02:30:34,020 --> 02:30:43,960
in order to put an item on the board's agenda for the following week. Okay, so that means we've got

1247
02:30:43,960 --> 02:30:46,160
a week. So what that means?

1248
02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:56,140
Yeah, we need it basically. Sometimes the middle of towards the end of next week

1249
02:30:56,140 --> 02:30:59,340
in order for it to be on the following, to following week's agenda.

1250
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:00,360
All right,

1251
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:06,000
so I'll ask Mr. Conley,

1252
02:31:07,060 --> 02:31:09,800
our view prioritize a resource thing of your people

1253
02:31:09,800 --> 02:31:13,320
to ensure that we get that not only our government,

1254
02:31:13,780 --> 02:31:18,300
but other governments would have this by within a week's time

1255
02:31:18,300 --> 02:31:18,740
frame.

1256
02:31:19,240 --> 02:31:20,440
Yes, sir, you're correct, we have.

1257
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:21,880
OK, all right.

1258
02:31:24,280 --> 02:31:25,180
Thank you for that.

1259
02:31:25,180 --> 02:31:26,060
And then,

1260
02:31:28,680 --> 02:31:33,720
in terms of for our staff and everything, just look, we've got, obviously, dates

1261
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:38,340
on here that we're going to have to meet, so we're just all queued up for that.

1262
02:31:38,580 --> 02:31:42,280
We've got all the folks that need to be queued up in terms of the advertisement.

1263
02:31:43,960 --> 02:31:50,300
And at the clerk notes here that we're going to have to stay on the schedule, we're going

1264
02:31:50,300 --> 02:31:53,920
to have a special call of meeting in September, correct?

1265
02:31:55,230 --> 02:31:57,770
for the public hearings, yes, sir.

1266
02:32:01,630 --> 02:32:02,910
And, okay.

1267
02:32:03,990 --> 02:32:09,010
And that there's no way to accelerate this schedule the way it's laid out.

1268
02:32:19,020 --> 02:32:20,440
I think it would be difficult.

1269
02:32:20,860 --> 02:32:29,960
I mean, the step that we have to work through is getting the authorization from the board to

1270
02:32:29,960 --> 02:32:36,960
for our purposes as far as, as far as approving the military, we have to get the approval

1271
02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:43,460
from the board to advertise a proposed military and have the information to submit for the

1272
02:32:43,460 --> 02:32:50,680
five-year levy ad. So we would need the boards authorization to do that. Based on our understanding,

1273
02:32:50,900 --> 02:32:57,560
the earliest, we would have the information and be able to present that to you was September 16th.

1274
02:32:58,320 --> 02:33:03,680
So unless the board wanted to authorize the advertising of a proposed

1275
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:09,640
military without having seen any of the information, or unless we get

1276
02:33:09,640 --> 02:33:13,040
the information earlier and the board is open to having a special

1277
02:33:13,040 --> 02:33:18,820
call me prior to the 16th to take that step to authorize the

1278
02:33:18,820 --> 02:33:22,900
proposed military. After that, we're tied to the advertising

1279
02:33:22,900 --> 02:33:29,880
and requirements, the statutory advertising requirements, as well as the lead time required

1280
02:33:29,880 --> 02:33:38,520
by the county's legal organ, which is also the now the paper of general distribution,

1281
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:42,840
which is where we would have to place the ad for the five-year Libyan.

1282
02:33:45,260 --> 02:33:56,040
So the key date I heard from you on that is in less the September 16th piece move the rest of it is fixed.

1283
02:33:56,400 --> 02:33:59,040
Is that the rest of it follows?

1284
02:33:59,500 --> 02:34:08,280
Yes, that September 16th date spaced out based on the statutory requirements for advertising and the lead time with the newspaper.

1285
02:34:08,280 --> 02:34:13,400
Okay. All right. Well, I would just say this just to close this out, you know,

1286
02:34:15,820 --> 02:34:18,840
obviously the critical nature of this cannot be understated.

1287
02:34:20,340 --> 02:34:24,760
We got a timeline now, this on record. We had one, one before. We missed it.

1288
02:34:25,080 --> 02:34:27,580
We cannot afford to miss this again.

1289
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:38,360
And just whatever for all parties involved in it, we got to prioritize, you know, getting all of that stuff done

1290
02:34:38,360 --> 02:34:48,120
over to our staff by the 15th and all these other local governments all the other local governments as well because we're going to need them to do all the same work that we have to do.

1291
02:34:48,780 --> 02:34:59,980
Right. So, you know, hopefully when we come back on the 15th or 16th whenever day that is that this is what we're starting that process and can.

1292
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,620
We continue in that timeline through. So thank you for the update.

1293
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:07,080
All right. Any other questions, comments?

1294
02:35:07,740 --> 02:35:10,720
Thank you. Mr. Connolly, before you leave, I do have a question.

1295
02:35:11,260 --> 02:35:17,240
Regarding the commercial property, a praisel audit that we discussed back in, I guess it was probably

1296
02:35:17,240 --> 02:35:24,220
January or February of this year, and that all came about because of the concern of the public,

1297
02:35:24,220 --> 02:35:35,040
other local jurisdictions and this board about the high-profile trophy properties, and we

1298
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:41,800
request it that an third party ought it be done. What happened to that? It's a reason

1299
02:35:41,800 --> 02:35:46,540
for that was to assure the public that I was undone understood from talking with you and

1300
02:35:46,540 --> 02:35:52,340
your staff that we were doing everything, humanly possible, that we were doing things

1301
02:35:52,340 --> 02:35:59,440
properly and we were recognized pretty much on an annual basis by I believe it was a state

1302
02:35:59,440 --> 02:36:04,020
Department of Revenue, a community of us with the job that we're doing but yet still there's

1303
02:36:04,020 --> 02:36:10,480
this belief that we're not that we're leaving millions of dollars on the table and so in order

1304
02:36:11,360 --> 02:36:20,040
to get to the truth we and I had to ask the board and the board agreed for us to hire a third

1305
02:36:20,040 --> 02:36:27,900
part of independent firm to look at certain properties and whatever happened to that.

1306
02:36:28,300 --> 02:36:34,240
Well, thank you, Mr. Chair for the question, and as it relates to the state's sales ratio

1307
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:40,940
study, should have received more recently, the 2025 iteration, also suggesting that we have met

1308
02:36:40,940 --> 02:36:46,980
compliance. But to answer your question, we did go through the process initially for the bidding

1309
02:36:46,980 --> 02:36:54,660
process for their praises services. However, I think there were only two initial bidders that went

1310
02:36:54,660 --> 02:37:02,980
through the process. One was disqualified going off my memory and the other one was not accepted

1311
02:37:02,980 --> 02:37:11,100
by the staffing or the panel. So the decision was made to try to reengage, get some feedback from

1312
02:37:11,100 --> 02:37:15,620
those who may have bid it, re-engaged the process at a later date.

1313
02:37:15,820 --> 02:37:18,640
Of course, we wanted to prioritize the digest process,

1314
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:20,660
prior to re-engaging with that.

1315
02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:24,340
So what's this, what is the time line now for that?

1316
02:37:24,600 --> 02:37:27,380
I will bring the item back to my board at our next meeting,

1317
02:37:27,620 --> 02:37:29,400
and I'll be able to update you from there.

1318
02:37:29,420 --> 02:37:33,000
Okay, when is your board's next meeting?

1319
02:37:33,160 --> 02:37:33,900
Next Thursday.

1320
02:37:34,580 --> 02:37:38,320
Okay, because in the meantime, I was my understanding that

1321
02:37:40,300 --> 02:37:50,400
Your appraisers had looked at several of these high-profile trophies, trophies, and four or five

1322
02:37:50,400 --> 02:37:56,260
of them, if I understand it correctly, that were previously valued at a combined value

1323
02:37:56,260 --> 02:38:04,180
of right at a hundred million, and on reappraisal, by your folk, it came out in the billions.

1324
02:38:04,400 --> 02:38:05,200
Is that accurate?

1325
02:38:05,820 --> 02:38:08,180
I do not believe that is accurate.

1326
02:38:08,380 --> 02:38:13,520
There may be conversations sitting around the data centers, not the high profile you correct.

1327
02:38:13,700 --> 02:38:15,080
It's the data centers.

1328
02:38:15,340 --> 02:38:15,960
The data centers.

1329
02:38:16,480 --> 02:38:17,920
But my math correct.

1330
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:20,600
Yeah, that would be a more accurate statement for the data centers.

1331
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:22,260
Okay.

1332
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:27,440
But you will have a firm timeline for us at our next meeting.

1333
02:38:28,140 --> 02:38:29,540
Regarding the appraisal yesterday.

1334
02:38:29,960 --> 02:38:31,020
I mean, all that.

1335
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:32,260
Okay.

1336
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:32,800
Yes, sir.

1337
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:34,020
Thank you.

1338
02:38:34,020 --> 02:38:43,040
Anything else at this time not I entertain the motion to correct it out. We will entertain the motion to recess for lunch first of all

1339
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:46,760
Second of all we made discuss items that deal with real estate

1340
02:38:48,760 --> 02:38:50,040
litigation and

1341
02:38:50,040 --> 02:38:51,160
personnel

1342
02:38:51,860 --> 02:38:56,940
Motion to do so my nice chair. I'll do rock one second it by Commissioner Thorne

1343
02:38:58,080 --> 02:38:59,240
In the boat is open

1344
02:39:02,540 --> 02:39:05,400
in the motion passes six shades zero name

1345
02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:06,200
All

1346
02:39:30,800 --> 02:39:34,860
right, without objection, we will resume the regular order of business, Madam Clerk,

1347
02:39:35,940 --> 02:39:35,980
continue.

1348
02:39:37,440 --> 02:39:38,920
Item from Executive session.

1349
02:39:39,820 --> 02:39:41,000
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1350
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:50,200
The first item is to correct and amend the minutes from the May 2020-26 meeting.

1351
02:39:51,020 --> 02:39:52,460
Board of Commissioners meeting.

1352
02:39:52,460 --> 02:39:59,960
Item number 26-0300 to correct the reading error on that date.

1353
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:08,620
Coming out of executive session, I asked you to approve requests for representation, and I read out that there were items one and two.

1354
02:40:09,100 --> 02:40:12,800
What I should have said is that there were items number four and five.

1355
02:40:13,940 --> 02:40:29,380
So, to correct that error in the minutes and in the record, is there a motion to approve an amendment to agenda item number 26-0300 to correct the reading error in section B regarding the approval of representation.

1356
02:40:29,380 --> 02:40:34,200
by revising the reference from items number one and two and

1357
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:38,060
correct them to reflect items number four and five.

1358
02:40:38,320 --> 02:40:41,040
Right, I have a motion to do so by Vice Chair of the Rockman,

1359
02:40:41,060 --> 02:40:42,380
seconded by Commissioner Thorne.

1360
02:40:43,420 --> 02:40:43,980
Yes.

1361
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:44,860
Vice Chair?

1362
02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:46,340
Clark.

1363
02:40:46,700 --> 02:40:47,120
Madam Clark.

1364
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:50,380
Does this clear up that the way she just,

1365
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:53,420
our county attorney just phrased it?

1366
02:40:53,420 --> 02:40:54,860
I'm just doing a double check.

1367
02:40:55,420 --> 02:40:59,360
I am, are you saying that we are to go back and amend those

1368
02:40:59,360 --> 02:41:02,520
minutes, or will this motion take care of that?

1369
02:41:02,660 --> 02:41:07,920
It's an authorization to go back and amend the minutes themselves through a board action as

1370
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:15,020
is required so that it will correctly reflect the board action taken and correct my misstatement

1371
02:41:15,020 --> 02:41:16,100
of the numbers.

1372
02:41:17,500 --> 02:41:18,840
Okay, so noted.

1373
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:21,020
Thank you.

1374
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:22,320
All right, please vote.

1375
02:41:25,620 --> 02:41:28,720
And the motion passes six J zero nays.

1376
02:41:30,800 --> 02:41:40,460
Is there a motion to approve the requests for representation in items number five and number six of the executive session agenda?

1377
02:41:40,920 --> 02:41:45,620
All right, motion to do so by Vice Chair of the Rockman seconded by Commissioner Thorne.

1378
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:48,660
And the vote is open

1379
02:41:52,340 --> 02:41:56,040
and motion passes six J zero nays.

1380
02:41:57,910 --> 02:42:00,170
No further action items from executive session.

1381
02:42:00,170 --> 02:42:02,810
All right, any other matters that come before it's Madam Clerk?

1382
02:42:02,950 --> 02:42:03,770
No further items.

1383
02:42:04,090 --> 02:42:04,550
All right.

1384
02:42:04,830 --> 02:42:07,150
The absence of any other matters we are adjourned.

1385
02:42:07,210 --> 02:42:07,810
Thank you, Commissioner.

1386
02:42:08,990 --> 02:42:10,430
Could I have your bottle, oops?

1387
02:42:15,760 --> 02:42:21,220
Or a written transcript of this meeting, or if you need reasonable accommodations, including

1388
02:42:21,220 --> 02:42:26,700
this communication in an alternative format due to disability, please contact the Clerk

1389
02:42:26,700 --> 02:42:28,040
to the Commission's office.

1390
02:42:28,040 --> 02:42:32,820
at 404-612-8232.