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[3:17] >> mayor: good morning,
[3:25] everyone.
[3:25] welcome to the gainesville cit
[3:27] y
[3:28] commission.
[3:28] as we speak, there are three
[3:30] americans and a canadian on
[3:32] their way to the moon from
[3:36] florida.
[3:36] from right here in the sunshine
[3:38] 
[3:38] state.
[3:38] one of those americans is a
[3:41] black man piloting the ship.
[3:43] one is a woman for the first
[3:46] time, it's the first time a
[3:48] black man or a woman have gone
[3:50] 
[3:50] to the moon.
[3:50] we should take note of this, and
[3:52] 
[3:52] it gives me hope that if we as
[3:55] a
[3:56] nation and a world are able to
[3:58] 
[3:59] send people to the moon --
[4:00] again, from the sunshine state,
[4:01] 
[4:02] not anywhere else, that we can
[4:04] 
[4:04] do some great things for our
[4:07] folks right here in this room
[4:08] 
[4:08] today.
[4:08] madam clerk?
[4:10] >> mr. Mayor, we have the
[4:12] invocation, given by reverend
[4:22] 
[4:22] katherine dearlove.
[4:23] >> thank you.
[4:24] I invite you to pray or reflect
[4:28] 
[4:28] with me.
[4:28] let's pause for a moment of
[4:30] reflection.
[4:30] grounding ourselves in the
[4:37] shared reason that brings us
[4:39] today.
[4:39] we come from many shared
[4:43] experiences, some of us name t
[4:44] he
[4:44] sacred as god, the spirit,
[4:46] creator or source of life.
[4:47] some of us find meaning in hum
[4:50] an
[4:50] connection and justice and
[4:52] compassion.
[4:52] or in the quiet wisdom of
[4:55] conscience.
[4:55] whatever our path, we are united
[4:58] 
[4:58] in the responsibility serving
[4:59] 
[4:59] the common good.
[4:59] may this gathering be guided b
[5:05] y
[5:06] wisdom.
[5:06] the wisdom to weigh decisions
[5:10] 
[5:10] carefully, and seek
[5:11] understanding even in
[5:12] disagreement.
[5:12] may we be guided by courage, t
[5:18] he
[5:18] courage to act with integrity.
[5:20] 
[5:20] to stand for what is right and
[5:22] 
[5:22] just.
[5:22] and to make decisions that ser
[5:24] ve
[5:24] not only the present but the
[5:25] future.
[5:25] may we be guided by compassion
[5:34] ,
[5:35] that every policy, every
[5:36] discussion, every vote touches
[5:38] 
[5:38] the lives of the real people I
[5:40] n
[5:40] our community.
[5:40] especially those whose voices
[5:43] 
[5:43] are too often unheard.
[5:44] and may we be guided by
[5:47] humility, recognizing that non
[5:48] e
[5:48] of us holds all the answers, b
[5:56] ut
[5:56] together we can move through a
[5:58] 
[5:58] more just and inclusive and
[6:00] thriving community.
[6:01] in this spirit, let the work
[6:04] begin today with open minds,
[6:07] steady hearts and a dedication
[6:09] 
[6:09] to the well being of all.
[6:10] amen.
[6:10] >> mayor: thank you, pastor.
[6:19] >> we are on to the agenda, we
[6:23] 
[6:23] have the update list on the
[6:24] screen.
[6:24] >> mayor:  commissioner willit
[6:33] s?
[6:33] >> I'd like to pull 2026-024 -
[6:46] -
[6:46] >> what number?
[6:47] >> number ten on the consent.
[6:50] >> let's move that to item one
[6:52] 
[6:52] on the morning.
[6:53] >> that sounds good.
[6:54] >> s
[6:55] changes.
[6:55] >> mayor: before we move on.
[7:04] is there public comment?
[7:05] >> there is no public comment.
[7:07] 
[7:07] >> I would point out to you tha
[7:09] t
[7:09] on the consent agenda, are a
[7:15] multiplicity of items that the
[7:17] 
[7:18] audit committee considered and
[7:21] 
[7:22] passed on to us, if anyone has
[7:23] 
[7:23] any questions about those, our
[7:24] 
[7:25] city auditor is here, and I
[7:26] would encourage you to make tim
[7:28] e
[7:28] to speak with him offline.
[7:29] about that, they all received
[7:37] 
[7:37] unanimous vote, all two of us,
[7:38] 
[7:40] from the audit committee.
[7:40] I don't want those to go
[7:43] unnoticed.
[7:43] but I'm glad we can keep them
[7:45] the consent agenda to receive.
[7:49] 
[7:49] that said, madam clerk, all in
[7:51] 
[7:52] favor?
[7:52] >> aye.
[7:53] >> mayor: any opposed?
[7:54] that passes unanimously.
[7:55] >> mr. Mayor, 2026-234, oak par
[8:03] k
[8:03] public housing development
[8:11] disposition letter of support.
[8:11] 
[8:11] for rehabilitation of oak park
[8:22] 
[8:22] development in gainesville,
[8:22] florida.
[8:22] >> mayor: commissioner willits,
[8:26] 
[8:26] you had the question?
[8:27] >> mr. Harris remind us abo
[8:31] what support we've provided to
[8:33] 
[8:33] this project in particular,
[8:33] through gainesville housing.
[8:41] >> mayor: certainly.
[8:41] mr. Manager?
[8:42] >> good morning, mr. Mayor, to
[8:44] 
[8:45] the commission.
[8:45] our support has been related t
[8:49] o
[8:49] our connect free funds as a par
[8:52] t
[8:52] of the sale applications.
[8:53] so it's a grant for 37,500, so
[8:57] 
[8:57] they can apply for the sale
[8:59] program.
[8:59] >> okay, and this is a park
[9:02] which is going to be -- these
[9:04] 
[9:04] are all single units.
[9:06] my understanding of, it's not
[9:08] 
[9:08] our project, it's the
[9:11] gainesville housing authority'
[9:12] s
[9:15] product.
[9:15] >> if you don't mind, the
[9:18] developer is here, gha is here
[9:20] .
[9:20] I'm going to allow him to talk
[9:22] 
[9:23] about the project.
[9:23] >> that was who I was looking
[9:26] 
[9:26] for real quick.
[9:26] if you can give us the 30 second
[9:30] 
[9:30] reminder.
[9:30] >> malcolm kynes.
[9:39] oak park is a six story
[9:43] development, off main street a
[9:47] nd
[9:47] 8th avenue.
[9:48] we have 1 two bedroom, 60
[9:53] studios and 401 bedroom units.
[9:56] 
[9:56] this is a total redevelopment o
[9:58] f
[9:58] the oak park building.
[9:59] it needs a lot of love.
[10:01] it was -- I think it opened in
[10:03] 
[10:03] 1968 or '69.
[10:05] and so you can imagine how many
[10:07] 
[10:07] individuals and families that
[10:10] 
[10:10] building has serviced over it'
[10:12] s
[10:13] 56 or so year life.
[10:15] total development costs are in
[10:16] 
[10:16] the range, I don't want to
[10:19] misspeak, in the range of 38 t
[10:22] o
[10:22] $39 million of this developmen
[10:23] t.
[10:23] we have hired a relocation
[10:26] specialist, similar to our
[10:28] woodland park project, which
[10:29] will help enable those
[10:31] individuals to relocate.
[10:31] they will walk them through it
[10:33] ,
[10:34] they have certain rights
[10:35] assigned by the federal
[10:36] government, we ensure those
[10:38] folks are taken care of.
[10:39] once the building has been
[10:41] totally redeveloped.
[10:42] this letter is basically a
[10:45] letter saying that the city of
[10:47] 
[10:48] gainesville supports us in
[10:49] redeveloping the property, and
[10:51] 
[10:51] it's provided to hud, it's a
[10:53] form letter we sent over to th
[10:54] e
[10:54] manager's office.
[10:54] >> thanks.
[10:55] a few comments on this before w
[11:00] e
[11:00] move forward.
[11:00] we support gainesville housing
[11:02] 
[11:03] authority in different ways,
[11:04] sometimes big chunks, sometimes
[11:06] 
[11:06] small chunks.
[11:07] this is something that app
[11:08] for our larger chunk, affordabl
[11:12] e
[11:12] development housing funds that
[11:14] 
[11:14] were leftover from arpa and to
[11:17] 
[11:17] general fund.
[11:18] did not receive, but we did hav
[11:19] e
[11:19] at least the small amount.
[11:22] our community has a lot of
[11:24] expectations on how we spend o
[11:26] ur
[11:26] affordable housing dollars,
[11:28] there's currently some concerns
[11:29] ,
[11:29] I know that commissioner dunca
[11:31] n
[11:32] walker, speak of the devil --
[11:36] 
[11:36] speak of the commissioner,
[11:37] excuse me.
[11:38] some on going concerns, maybe
[11:44] 
[11:44] this is out of frustration,
[11:46] general housing crisis or at
[11:48] least tightness in the market,
[11:50] 
[11:50] where below 100% of ami, we
[11:53] really need more units, more
[11:55] affordability, so that -- I
[11:57] think it's part of our --
[12:00] tension we're feeling, we're
[12:02] looking at all of our partners
[12:03] 
[12:03] to achieve at their highest and
[12:05] 
[12:06] best.
[12:06] but that also means not just
[12:08] the -- I'm a big fan of new
[12:11] units, existing units about the
[12:12] 
[12:12] quality of them, and how peopl
[12:14] e
[12:14] live in those -- how our
[12:16] neighbors live in those homes,
[12:17] I
[12:17] want to bring it up as a conce
[12:20] rn
[12:20] of mine.
[12:21] and when we put our stamp of
[12:24] approval on the letter and cas
[12:25] h
[12:26] funds, the auditor, I spoke to
[12:29] 
[12:29] the auditor recently about, how
[12:30] 
[12:30] on some of our grant funding, w
[12:32] e
[12:32] don't have a strict policy abo
[12:34] ut
[12:34] the ability to audit, at least
[12:36] 
[12:36] the funds we give of our
[12:38] nonprofit partners, that is
[12:40] something suggested by the
[12:41] auditors, something we need in
[12:43] 
[12:44] every time we give money.
[12:47] because we are responsible for
[12:48] 
[12:49] the money we give.
[12:49] to our taxpayers, to our
[12:52] residents, to our neighbors, I
[12:53] 
[12:53] bring this up as a concern I'm
[12:55] 
[12:55] hearing in the community about
[12:57] 
[12:57] the long term relationship
[12:58] between the city and gainesvil
[13:00] le
[13:00] housing authority and that it
[13:02] 
[13:02] goes forward.
[13:02] again, I say some of this to m
[13:05] y
[13:05] colleagues is about the tension
[13:06] 
[13:06] we feel, the angst we feel,
[13:10] we're trying to figure out eve
[13:11] ry
[13:11] last thing we do, limited
[13:13] budget, but how we spend it wit
[13:15] h
[13:15] whom, which partners, we have
[13:17] 
[13:17] several partners, some of them
[13:22] 
[13:22] are private developers who we
[13:26] 
[13:26] provide a substitute and it's a
[13:31] 
[13:33] subsidy per door that brings t
[13:34] he
[13:34] prices down, even up to 120% of
[13:36] 
[13:36] ami.
[13:36] mr. Kiner thank you for being
[13:41] 
[13:41] here.
[13:41] it's a comment to my fellow
[13:44] commissioners how we spend our
[13:44] 
[13:45] money.
[13:45] there's some concerns about the
[13:51] 
[13:51] balance between having to keep
[13:53] 
[13:53] enough money in all of our
[13:56] partners pockets so they can
[13:57] build new housing or do
[14:00] renovations, what happens in th
[14:01] e
[14:01] meantime between now and then.
[14:02] 
[14:02] how our neighbors have to live
[14:04] 
[14:04] w they're being serviced   by who
[14:10] by whohey pay thr rent to.
[14:10] that's all I got.
[14:11] [ inaudible ]
[14:17] >> our board has challenged us
[14:19] ,
[14:19] we just completed a new
[14:21] strategic plan that will take u
[14:23] s
[14:23] from 2025 to 2030.
[14:25] has challenged us to bring bac
[14:27] k
[14:27] on line 600 housing
[14:30] opportunities.
[14:30] and an additional 100 through
[14:33] 
[14:33] our instrumentality.
[14:34] that's our goal, we're
[14:35] aggressive pursuing that,
[14:36] through things like the choice
[14:38] 
[14:38] program, and also through rfa'
[14:40] s
[14:42] at the state level
[14:46] >> mayor: very good.
[14:47] we have multiple lights,
[14:50] commissioner chestnut.
[14:50] >> this facility is in my
[14:55] neighborhood, and as I recall,
[14:56] 
[14:56] the only thing that's been
[14:58] renovated there has been the
[14:59] parking lot.
[14:59] but it is in very dire need of
[15:05] 
[15:05] renovation, and I think that t
[15:07] he
[15:07] residents totally welcome this
[15:11] .
[15:11] and it's the facility that has
[15:13] a
[15:13] mixture of residents, and I
[15:15] think that's what's very good
[15:16] 
[15:16] about it as well.
[15:16] >> mayor: thank you,
[15:23] commissioner chestnut.
[15:25] >> how many units?
[15:26] >> it's 101 units.
[15:32] it's a 60/40 split between one
[15:35] 
[15:35] bedrooms and studios.
[15:36] >> thank you.
[15:38] I missed your initial comments
[15:40] ,
[15:41] but I can certainly prern what
[15:43] I'
[15:43] I've heard thus far from my
[15:44] colleagues, I would like to ask
[15:47] 
[15:47] this.
[15:47] when was the last time that we
[15:49] 
[15:49] had a meeting with gha?
[15:52] was it about two years ago,
[15:55] three?
[15:55] >> spring of '23?
[15:58] >> it was april 4, 2023.
[16:02] >> april 4 of 2023.
[16:04] >> that was the date the
[16:06] decision came out for the
[16:07] choice.
[16:07] >> I would like to see us meet
[16:09] a
[16:09] little more frequently.
[16:10] >> no problem.
[16:11] >> I think there is -- clearly
[16:13] 
[16:13] we field a lot of questions tha
[16:15] t
[16:15] we can't or shouldn't even
[16:17] attempt to answer, but also, I
[16:18] n
[16:18] light of our partnership, how I
[16:21] t
[16:21] may be expanding or what your
[16:23] 
[16:23] desires are, I feel the need t
[16:25] o
[16:26] expand our opportunities to
[16:26] speak with you, so I am curious
[16:29] 
[16:30] about my colleagues and what
[16:31] your thoughts are on maybe
[16:35] literally slid fig an annual
[16:37] meeting at least.
[16:37] maybe something in -- with roo
[16:40] m
[16:40] to do something every six month
[16:41] s
[16:41] or quarterly, if you want to.
[16:43] but I certainly would like to
[16:45] 
[16:45] touch bases with gha on an
[16:49] annual basis.
[16:51] >> beginning as soon as
[16:53] possible?
[16:53] >> absolutely.
[16:53] and that will be a motion.
[16:55] >> mayor: would you like to
[16:56] include that with a motion for
[16:58] 
[16:58] staff recommendation or --
[16:59] >> sure, let me refresh my
[17:02] memory on that.
[17:02] and as you see I'm just sittin
[17:05] g.
[17:05] thank you.
[17:06] so I move that the city
[17:15] commission authorize the mayor
[17:16] 
[17:17] to send a letter supporting the
[17:18] 
[17:19] gainesville housing authority'
[17:20] s
[17:20] application to the u.s.
[17:21] department of housing and urban
[17:23] 
[17:23] development for the dispositio
[17:24] n
[17:25] and rehabilitation of the oak
[17:30] 
[17:30] park development, and arrange
[17:32] 
[17:32] for a meeting to take place at
[17:34] 
[17:34] least annually with the gha to
[17:37] 
[17:37] check in.
[17:38] >> second.
[17:38] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[17:40] a
[17:40] second.
[17:40] we have one more light, then
[17:43] we'll go to public comment.
[17:44] >> I support the development.
[17:47] clearly for oak park, it's in
[17:51] 
[17:51] dire need as you said, mr.
[17:53] manager, I don't know who
[17:55] executes the letter, but the
[17:57] letter itself, very minor, it
[17:59] 
[17:59] doesn't have language, it
[18:00] doesn't bring the full city
[18:02] commission behind it, just the
[18:03] 
[18:03] mayor at this point.
[18:04] so whoever executes the letter
[18:06] ,
[18:06] make sure that will benefit gh
[18:09] a
[18:10] for an amendment to the
[18:12] template.
[18:12] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[18:13] >> thank you, commissioner book.
[18:15] 
[18:15] >> I did too want to be specific
[18:18] 
[18:18] in my comments about this
[18:20] particular development, thank
[18:21] 
[18:21] you for your attention to it.
[18:22] I believe, and I said this
[18:27] before from the dais, that it
[18:28] is
[18:28] a beautiful facility.
[18:28] that needs some shining up, the
[18:34] 
[18:34] atrium at the bottom is such a
[18:36] n
[18:36] asset.
[18:36] I can't wait to see what you a
[18:38] ll
[18:38] do with the greenery down ther
[18:40] e.
[18:40] I have obviously been through,
[18:43] 
[18:44] and I've seen the severe need
[18:46] 
[18:46] for the renovation, so I'm
[18:48] looking forward to that.
[18:49] mr. Kiner, can you speak to wha
[18:52] t
[18:52] we should expect.
[18:53] can you speak to what we should
[18:56] 
[18:56] expect in terms of the overall
[18:57] 
[18:58] renovation?
[18:58] >> we're taking down to the
[18:59] studs.
[18:59] >> okay, thank you.
[19:00] >> oak park needs love, it needs  a lot
[19:08] a lot of love.
[19:08] we've dealt with a lot of
[19:09] systems issues.
[19:10] and it's hoard to keep up on
[19:14] sustaining maintenance on a
[19:15] property like that.
[19:15] we redid the parking lot, we p
[19:18] ut
[19:18] a new roof on it about 10 years
[19:20] 
[19:21] ago, some exterior coating, but
[19:23] 
[19:23] down to the studs, new elevator,
[19:26] 
[19:26] every apartment, every community
[19:28] 
[19:28] amenity will be redone.
[19:30] somewhere in the area of --
[19:32] between 39 and $40 so million o
[19:35] f
[19:35] redevelopment on oak park.
[19:37] new building, but good bones.
[19:39] just like you love the building,
[19:41] 
[19:41] lovitz design, it just needs
[19:45] some love.
[19:46] >> every unit?
[19:47] >> every unit.
[19:48] >> I will say that you probabl
[19:51] y
[19:51] faced an issue with some water
[19:53] 
[19:54] intrusion in there.
[19:55] >> we face many issues.
[19:56] >> I'm glad to hear we're going
[20:01] 
[20:02] down to the studs.
[20:02] >> total redevelopment.
[20:03] >> thank you.
[20:05] >> mayor: commissioner eastman
[20:08] .
[20:08] >> it's in district 4, it's a
[20:12] 
[20:12] great society era, '50s, '60s
[20:17] 
[20:17] era.
[20:17] >> whatever, mid modern.
[20:20] >> '68 I believe it was built.
[20:22] 
[20:22] >> it definitely needs some
[20:24] love.
[20:24] I'm glad to see you guys put
[20:28] some work into that.
[20:29] can we get a reread of what the
[20:31] 
[20:31] motion was?
[20:32] I'm always happy to have joint
[20:33] 
[20:35] conversations with other
[20:36] governmental bodies, I want to
[20:39] 
[20:39] know what we're committing to.
[20:40] 
[20:40] >> I can reread it, approve --
[20:44] 
[20:45] as recommended and set a joint
[20:46] 
[20:47] meeting for both boards to recu
[20:48] r
[20:48] annually.
[20:48] >> I am happy to have a joint
[20:55] 
[20:55] meeting.
[20:55] I am more receipt sent to set u
[20:59] s
[20:59] up for something that we're now
[21:00] 
[21:01] structuring for an annual
[21:03] amount, if there's something
[21:06] that's more ad-hoc if we have
[21:08] 
[21:08] something to discuss.
[21:09] I don't think we really --
[21:11] setting this up for an annual
[21:13] 
[21:13] meeting, I think might be a bit
[21:15] 
[21:16] much at this particular time, a
[21:17] s
[21:17] opposed to scheduling a meeting
[21:21] 
[21:21] in the future, is my only
[21:24] reticence about it.
[21:24] >> mayor: thank you.
[21:28] >> the gainesville housing
[21:31] authority has a number of
[21:34] facilities within its portfolio,
[21:36] 
[21:36] and I think we would have a lot
[21:38] 
[21:38] to talk about.
[21:38] they have a lot of new projects
[21:40] 
[21:41] they're bringing online, I thi
[21:42] nk
[21:42] there's always one meeting per
[21:44] 
[21:44] year.
[21:44] I don't think we'll struggle
[21:48] with an agenda.
[21:48] thank you.
[21:48] >> mayor: thank you.
[21:51] mr. Duncan walker?
[21:53] are there any public comment?
[21:56] >> no public comment.
[21:56] >> mayor: all in favor?
[21:59] >> aye.
[22:02] ma
[22:02] >> mayor: that passed
[22:04] unanimously.
[22:04] we will get that letter
[22:05] procsed as quily as
[22:06] possible.
[22:06] >> mr. Mayor, I did neglect to
[22:15] 
[22:15] call for early public comment,
[22:17] 
[22:18] but there is none, so we're mov
[22:21] e
[22:21] on to f1, 2026-164 discuss cit
[22:24] y
[22:26] manager recruitment time line.
[22:28] 
[22:28] >> mayor: let me preface real
[22:30] 
[22:30] quick.
[22:30] I appreciate you bringing this
[22:31] 
[22:31] forward and look forward to my
[22:33] 
[22:34] colleagues comments.
[22:34] I will say, as I have said
[22:40] before, it's going to cost us
[22:43] 
[22:43] between 50,000 and $100,000 to
[22:45] 
[22:46] do a search.
[22:49] and given the free state of
[22:58] florida, given lots and lots o
[23:03] f
[23:03] things, have a hard time
[23:06] believing we're going to spend
[23:07] 
[23:07] $100,000 and come out with a
[23:09] different product than what we
[23:11] 
[23:11] have in front of us right now.
[23:12] 
[23:12] I do not believe this process I
[23:16] s
[23:16] necessary.
[23:16] I think we should stick with
[23:18] what we have, frankly.
[23:19] that's my thought, I wanted to
[23:22] 
[23:22] preface that.
[23:22] >> good morning, laura gretz,
[23:27] 
[23:27] human resources director of
[23:29] gainesville.
[23:29] happy to be before you today, a
[23:33] s
[23:33] you'll recall.
[23:34] sorry, let me grab this real
[23:36] quick.
[23:36] just a bit of background on
[23:38] october 20, 2025, mr. Andrew
[23:42] persons was named as the interim
[23:43] 
[23:43] city manager by the commission
[23:45] .
[23:45] we met on october 23 of 2025 t
[23:50] o
[23:50] discuss what a recruitment
[23:53] search would like like if the
[23:54] 
[23:54] commission opted to go in that
[23:56] 
[23:57] direction.
[23:57] and during that meeting, we
[23:59] agreed to come back.
[23:59] it was in march, but we shifted
[24:03] 
[24:03] it to this meeting, here we ar
[24:06] e
[24:06] april 2nd to discuss it.
[24:07] just a brief refresher on how w
[24:09] e
[24:09] got here.
[24:10] this is a reiteration of some o
[24:12] f
[24:12] the talking points that we
[24:14] discussed back in october.
[24:15] some of which -- some of the
[24:20] uncertainties may be a bit
[24:22] clearer is my best way to say
[24:23] that, but at the time, we had
[24:28] 
[24:28] not received from the state of
[24:31] 
[24:31] florida --
[24:32] [ inaudible ]
[24:32] and have some more insight fro
[24:34] m
[24:34] what their findings were.
[24:35] there was a gru referendum tha
[24:38] t
[24:38] was currently in litigation, I
[24:40] t
[24:40] remains in litigation, in
[24:41] addition to what we discussed I
[24:43] n
[24:43] october, as we're all well
[24:44] aware, there was some actual
[24:49] state legislation that has bee
[24:49] n
[24:50] passed by house and senate, but
[24:51] 
[24:52] remains at the desk of the
[24:53] governor currently.
[24:54] we talked about the need for
[24:57] momentum and stability.
[24:57] and I think I heard a series o
[25:00] f
[25:01] meetings since mr. Persons too
[25:02] k
[25:02] on this role that that is
[25:04] something we've been able to s
[25:05] ee
[25:05] materialize.
[25:05] and as a reminder, and the may
[25:08] or
[25:08] just discussed that, there is a
[25:10] 
[25:10] cost associated if you chose t
[25:12] o
[25:12] move forward with the
[25:14] recruitment, and could range
[25:15] anywhere from 22 to just shy o
[25:17] f
[25:17] $100,000.
[25:17] as a reminder, the process tak
[25:21] es
[25:21] 16 to 20 months.
[25:22] and when we had met back in
[25:25] october, we talked about
[25:29] consideration the budget
[25:29] preparation we do here at the
[25:31] 
[25:31] city as well as upcoming
[25:33] commission elections in august
[25:34] .
[25:34] so I did not share this
[25:37] information at the last meetin
[25:38] g.
[25:38] and it's just a reminder to kin
[25:40] d
[25:40] of walk you through the
[25:43] different steps in the process,
[25:44] 
[25:44] I think it will help in our nex
[25:46] t
[25:46] slide of discussion.
[25:47] the key point to remember is,
[25:52] 
[25:52] it's about in the 3rd or 4th
[25:56] month when the commission would
[25:57] 
[25:57] select candidates to bring
[25:59] forward and interview those
[26:01] candidates.
[26:01] I think that's relevant as we
[26:05] 
[26:05] talk about the options.
[26:06] so in october.
[26:07] I just brought one visual for
[26:10] 
[26:10] you all to consider.
[26:11] based on the discussions and
[26:13] comments from the commission
[26:14] october, I brought forth
[26:17] two options based on the
[26:19] feedback we were hearing when w
[26:21] e
[26:21] last met.
[26:22] option one looks at starting t
[26:25] he
[26:25] search in august.
[26:26] you can see our fiscal year for
[26:28] 
[26:28] october, for fiscal year 27
[26:31] begins in october.
[26:32] and if there were runoff
[26:35] elections that would be needed
[26:36] 
[26:36] that occur in november, it giv
[26:40] es
[26:40] a smidge of time for any
[26:45] commissioners to be part of th
[26:46] at
[26:46] final selection process.
[26:47] the second option is below,
[26:50] where commission elections occ
[26:54] ur
[26:54] in august.
[26:54] at that point if the comment
[26:57] commissioners are re-elected a
[26:59] nd
[26:59] there's no runoff needed we kno
[27:02] w
[27:02] who they are, and they can be
[27:04] 
[27:04] part of the process from the
[27:06] beginning, if there are runoff
[27:07] s,
[27:07] they're able to be candidates a
[27:11] s
[27:11] part of the selection.
[27:12] so I will leave it to you all
[27:14] to
[27:14] discuss at this time.
[27:15] >> mayor: very good.
[27:17] thank you.
[27:17] commission eastman?
[27:19] >> thank you.
[27:20] mr. Mayor.
[27:22] so the -- so it -- the last cit
[27:31] y
[27:31] manager, we did a public search
[27:34] 
[27:34] around 2020 --
[27:36] >> I believe it was for the
[27:37] acting city manager.
[27:38] >> yes, I'm just a little bit -
[27:41] -
[27:41] >> for the -- so cynthia curry
[27:46] 
[27:46] came in, she had come in, I
[27:48] think we selected her, there w
[27:49] as
[27:49] not an active search for that,
[27:51] 
[27:51] correct?
[27:51] >> yes, mayor and commissioner,
[27:54] I wasn't in this role at the
[27:56] time, I recall there was a
[27:58] search, I believe it was for t
[27:59] he
[27:59] acting position, and then miss
[28:02] 
[28:02] curry was selected as the actin
[28:04] g
[28:04] city manager and was
[28:06] subsequently appointed after a
[28:07] 
[28:07] period of time.
[28:07] >> okay, and then prior to that
[28:10] ,
[28:10] we did, we had an acting, but
[28:14] 
[28:14] then we had a public search, I
[28:22] s
[28:22] that correct?
[28:22] >> I believe that's correct,
[28:23] yes.
[28:23] >> we ask all of our employees,
[28:26] 
[28:26] I guess we have hr here.
[28:28] generally speaking for our
[28:30] employees, we do panels, public
[28:31] 
[28:32] services, I'm sure there are
[28:33] instances where you may select
[28:34] 
[28:34] someone to come into the city
[28:36] 
[28:36] that is not through that
[28:37] process, that's generally the
[28:40] 
[28:40] process, correct?
[28:40] >> correct.
[28:41] our employee process says
[28:43] generally, we will conduct a
[28:45] search for our positions.
[28:46] there are circ umstances in whi
[28:50] ch
[28:50] we elect direct hires, it's
[28:54] usually based on the can dwi
[28:56] date's specific experiences.
[28:56] what the needs are of the
[28:58] organization at the time, if I
[28:59] t
[28:59] seems to be a good match,
[29:01] sometimes a decision is made t
[29:02] o
[29:03] conduct a direct hire.
[29:03] >> I think our system of
[29:07] government is a funny one, the
[29:09] re
[29:09] are seven of us here, we're the
[29:12] 
[29:13] legislative branch, we don't
[29:15] communicate with one another.
[29:16] so the city manager ends up
[29:19] being a strong mayor type role
[29:20] ,
[29:21] but working for the seven of u
[29:23] s
[29:24] as it goes forward.
[29:24] it is far and away the most
[29:27] important decision we make as a
[29:28] 
[29:28] city.
[29:28] it -- I would say our city is
[29:32] 
[29:32] more defined even by which cit
[29:33] y
[29:34] managers we had at various tim
[29:36] es
[29:36] and who we have sitting in the
[29:38] se
[29:38] seats.
[29:38] I think having a public search
[29:41] 
[29:42] for something as important as
[29:43] 
[29:43] this makes a lot of sense for
[29:45] 
[29:45] our employees otherwise, I lik
[29:48] e
[29:50] the idea of looking around
[29:52] the -- and I think it ends up
[29:54] 
[29:54] coming into that role, whether
[29:55] 
[29:55] it be our acting or not our
[29:57] acting, however it goes.
[29:58] it gives legitimacy that they
[30:01] 
[30:01] went through the same process
[30:03] 
[30:03] every other city did.
[30:04] they've been selected by the
[30:06] city commission, and meeting t
[30:08] he
[30:08] community, introducing
[30:09] themselves, I think that's a
[30:11] good process, I don't -- I thi
[30:14] nk
[30:14] when cynthia curry was coming I
[30:16] n
[30:16] before us acting.
[30:17] we're going through a period
[30:19] where we needed someone to com
[30:20] e
[30:21] in, step into the role, we are
[30:23] 
[30:23] now in a place where -- there's
[30:26] 
[30:26] always uncertainties, this
[30:28] question as to what the future
[30:29] 
[30:30] holds.
[30:30] where we stand now, I don't see
[30:32] 
[30:32] this getting any better.
[30:33] I think the process is what the
[30:35] 
[30:35] process is, and we should
[30:37] probably go forward with our
[30:37] standard process.
[30:38] >> thank you, commissioner
[30:41] eastman.
[30:41] commissioner chestnut?
[30:43] >> and I think we owe it to the
[30:46] 
[30:46] public to do a search, a
[30:50] thorough search.
[30:51] so that they can see the
[30:55] competition, whose available o
[30:56] ut
[30:56] there, but a public search is
[31:00] 
[31:00] something that I totally
[31:01] support.
[31:01] and I would look at option one
[31:04] 
[31:04] in terms of time.
[31:07] time line.
[31:08] I just don't see delaying the
[31:10] 
[31:10] beginning of the process to
[31:12] october.
[31:12] I'll be happy to place that as
[31:23] a
[31:23] motion later on if others wish
[31:25] 
[31:25] to comment.
[31:26] >> mayor: thank you.
[31:28] commissioner willits?
[31:28] >> there's always uncertainty,
[31:30] 
[31:35] and I was looking at option 2.
[31:37] 
[31:37] if the legislature passes a
[31:43] constitutional amendment on
[31:44] taxes, people who have applied
[31:45] 
[31:46] may be like, no, that's not a
[31:48] 
[31:48] battle I want to fight, about
[31:50] 
[31:50] how you completely refigure
[31:52] local government while everyon
[31:53] e
[31:53] in the state is also doing it.
[31:58] 
[31:58] we have a little more recent
[32:04] knowledge of communities not
[32:07] having to make these decisions
[32:08] 
[32:09] recently.
[32:09] I think elections should have
[32:13] 
[32:13] consequences.
[32:13] that like voters should be abl
[32:14] e
[32:15] to vote for things, and every
[32:19] 
[32:19] decision a city makes should n
[32:20] ot
[32:20] be shielded from democracy, in
[32:22] a
[32:23] way that's like, we're going t
[32:25] o
[32:25] make all these decisions right
[32:26] 
[32:26] before an election, as opposed
[32:28] 
[32:28] to, okay, since we're already in
[32:30] 
[32:30] this range, where it's like, o
[32:31] h,
[32:31] maybe it could be done after,
[32:33] 
[32:33] decisions could be made
[32:34] afterwards, so if this is a big
[32:36] 
[32:37] issue, then elections can
[32:39] matter -- you know, people
[32:41] that -- our voters can talk
[32:42] about like, this is what we wan
[32:44] t
[32:44] in a city manager or city staf
[32:46] f,
[32:46] city charters in general.
[32:49] we ran two elections here, whe
[32:51] re
[32:51] we wanted the elections to
[32:53] matter, where the voters wante
[32:55] d
[32:55] to bring gru back under us.
[32:57] someone's changing the rules a
[32:59] nd
[32:59] making it this impenetrable,
[33:02] nothing can happen.
[33:03] doesn't matter how you vote, w
[33:06] ho
[33:06] you elect, nothing can happen.
[33:07] 
[33:07] I like option 2 just for the
[33:09] sake of, if this is something
[33:12] 
[33:12] that is so important or off,
[33:13] that people need an election, t
[33:16] o
[33:16] say, no, no, we really want mor
[33:18] e
[33:18] candidates, x candidate or just
[33:21] 
[33:22] generally, we want a city
[33:24] manager, the whole process, I
[33:27] 
[33:27] lean toward option 2.
[33:27] I like this idea of having thi
[33:30] 
[33:30] public search, I'll remind us
[33:32] 
[33:32] the budget is $466 million
[33:35] total.
[33:35] the idea of spending 22 or
[33:37] 99,000 on a search for -- as
[33:40] eastman said, it's our most
[33:42] consequential decision.
[33:45] and sometimes we make it quick
[33:48] 
[33:48] and fill in the gap of what we
[33:50] 
[33:50] need immediately, and sometimes
[33:52] 
[33:52] we can make it looking forward
[33:53] 
[33:56] into the unknown.
[33:57] I like option 2 particularly
[34:01] because of the opportunity to -
[34:02] -
[34:02] if the voters, the legislature
[34:04] 
[34:04] and the voters pass a ballot
[34:08] measure or to a very large
[34:09] degree.
[34:09] I would hate to be in option o
[34:14] ne
[34:14] and then all our candidates dro
[34:16] p
[34:16] out right at the end, as oppos
[34:18] ed
[34:18] to, they may drop out in
[34:20] november, and then we know a
[34:21] little more of where we're at.
[34:23] 
[34:23] I lean toward option 2.
[34:26] and also to commissioner
[34:29] chestnut's point, we owe it to
[34:31] 
[34:31] the public, it may very well be
[34:33] ,
[34:33] I you is suspect if the
[34:36] candidates say, their current
[34:39] 
[34:39] interim is about taking names,
[34:40] 
[34:40] they themselves probably won't
[34:41] 
[34:42] apply.
[34:42] why am I going to apply for
[34:45] something where it looks like
[34:46] 
[34:46] it's going well.
[34:47] they will be able to see the
[34:54] names we can't see.
[34:54] other city managers mand
[34:56] say, no, no, no this is
[34:58] something I offer, that --
[35:00] >> I support option 2.
[35:01] because of both elections, and
[35:03] 
[35:03] then also the consequence of
[35:05] knowing a little bit about
[35:08] whether there's going to be a
[35:09] measure.
[35:09] I suspect there may be a ballo
[35:12] t
[35:13] measure of some sort, which one
[35:14] 
[35:14] it is.
[35:15] in a month or two.
[35:16] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[35:17] >> thank you, commissioner
[35:21] willits, commissioner ingle?
[35:24] >> I would say, in general the
[35:26] 
[35:26] idea of doing a search -- I
[35:31] think the last time we did a
[35:34] public search for a city
[35:36] manager, the city was in prett
[35:39] y
[35:39] rough shape, we've been cycling
[35:41] 
[35:41] through a lot of people, we we
[35:42] re
[35:42] looking for someone who could
[35:44] 
[35:44] change the direction things wer
[35:45] e
[35:45] going.
[35:45] and it worked pretty well.  We
[35:48] we found someone that did an
[35:50] amazing job.
[35:51] I don't think we're in that sam
[35:53] e
[35:53] situation.
[35:53] right now, things have been
[35:55] steady, I think we kind of bui
[35:58] lt
[35:58] on that stability.
[35:59] so I feel like we're in a
[36:02] different situation, and I'm n
[36:03] ot
[36:03] entirely sure we need to do a
[36:06] 
[36:06] search, if we have a qualified
[36:08] 
[36:08] person that's already doing tha
[36:09] t
[36:09] job.
[36:09] I'm not 100% on that one way o
[36:12] r
[36:12] another.
[36:12] I could see the advantage of
[36:14] putting that out there, and
[36:16] looking at, that's not a hill
[36:18] I'm going to die on.
[36:19] I can see both sides of it.
[36:22] I would say, I am a bigger fan
[36:25] 
[36:25] of option number two.
[36:27] mostly because as we said, thi
[36:30] s
[36:30] is going to be a very
[36:37] consequential decision.
[36:38] starting the first part of
[36:39] january, we're going to have a
[36:41] t
[36:41] least one new commissioner and
[36:43] 
[36:43] potentially four new
[36:44] commissioners.
[36:44] so I would think if we're
[36:46] looking at a long term --
[36:50] something that's going to have
[36:51] 
[36:51] that big of an impact, I think
[36:53] 
[36:55] it makes sense to wait until
[36:58] we've got the new commission
[37:00] seated and those people that are
[37:01] goin
[37:01] goin to be dealing with this
[37:03] new city manager potentially n
[37:04] ew
[37:04] city manager.
[37:05] have the ability to weigh-in o
[37:13] n
[37:13] that.
[37:13] regardless of whether there's a
[37:15] 
[37:15] runoff or not, those new
[37:17] commissioners will not be part
[37:19] 
[37:19] of this board until january.
[37:20] so that option 2 makes a lot o
[37:23] f
[37:23] sense to me, and I think
[37:25] commissioner willits makes a
[37:27] good point, a whole lot of
[37:28] things change in november,
[37:30] depending on what goes on on t
[37:32] he
[37:32] state level.
[37:33] I'm sorry, I said that option 2
[37:34] 
[37:35] makes more sense, plus, we're
[37:39] 
[37:39] pushed past budget season.
[37:41] that's where I am.
[37:42] >> thank you, commissioner
[37:44] ingle.
[37:44] commissioner book?
[37:45] >> thank you.
[37:46] hr manager, I'm in agreement
[37:49] with several of my colleagues,
[37:50] 
[37:51] as it relates to legitimacy and
[37:53] 
[37:53] trust, you follow process, and
[37:54] 
[37:54] you've had to do that for many
[37:56] 
[37:56] other employees across all
[37:59] ranges in an organization,
[38:00] that's how you instill to them
[38:01] 
[38:02] we follow the same rules at the
[38:03] 
[38:03] same time for the same group, I
[38:05] 
[38:05] think that's really important.
[38:06] 
[38:06] this is notwithstanding the fac
[38:08] t
[38:08] that the interim city manager I
[38:11] s
[38:11] doing an excellent job.
[38:12] that's a fact.
[38:12] I think that's not arguable
[38:15] but that's different from when
[38:18] 
[38:18] we follow process.
[38:19] miss manager, if you were to
[38:23] pursue a process in hire, do yo
[38:25] u
[38:25] have a preference for one of
[38:29] these options?
[38:29] >> mayor and commissioner, we
[38:31] 
[38:31] could make either of those work
[38:33] .
[38:33] because we're in april right
[38:34] now, we have ample time to
[38:37] prepare for that, we should be
[38:38] 
[38:39] fine.
[38:39] I appreciate the consideration.
[38:41] 
[38:41] >> well, I was thinking about
[38:43] 
[38:43] that, and also the last two
[38:45] processes we did for charter
[38:46] officers, our city leaders, we
[38:49] 
[38:49] did go through the process.
[38:49] we followed process, and we had
[38:53] 
[38:54] internal candidate, and here's
[38:55] 
[38:55] the internal candidate.
[38:57] and we had an external
[38:59] candidate, and there he is
[39:01] sitting at the back.
[39:02] we had tremendous skill and
[39:05] continuity, as commissioner
[39:07] engle was talking about very
[39:09] different than we were in 2022
[39:10] ,
[39:11] and I like what you said,
[39:13] commissioner eastman.
[39:14] you want to make sure that
[39:15] employees feel that we're doing
[39:16] 
[39:18] the same thing.
[39:20] so I do favor a process, I thi
[39:22] nk
[39:22] it's probably the best way to
[39:26] 
[39:26] instill the legitimacy and
[39:27] trust, and I hope the candidates
[39:29] 
[39:29] rise to the top, that's what you
[39:31] 
[39:31] want.
[39:31] internal or external.
[39:34] I don't have a preference for
[39:37] 
[39:37] option, but doi o support the
[39:39] 
[39:39] external process.
[39:40] >> mayor: thank you,
[39:42] commissioner book.
[39:42] is there any public comment?
[39:45] >> yes, ron rawles.
[39:48] >> mayor: welcome, pastor
[39:51] rawles.
[39:51] >> I think we should definitel
[39:55] y
[39:56] have a search.
[39:57] I think communication is
[40:00] extremely important from our
[40:01] side when we're dealing with th
[40:02] e
[40:02] city, and so sometimes what you
[40:06] 
[40:06] feel you have, the relationshi
[40:08] ps
[40:08] you feel you have, you may not
[40:10] 
[40:11] find you have those
[40:12] relationships until you need
[40:13] something.
[40:13] and so recently, we tried to
[40:16] assist one of our senior
[40:19] citizens.
[40:19] I had a horrible experience
[40:23] trying to deal with a person I
[40:25] n
[40:26] permitting, and so I walked it
[40:28] 
[40:28] up the ladder, didn't get
[40:32] response from the director ove
[40:33] r
[40:33] in permitting, tried to walk it
[40:36] 
[40:36] up the ladder, couldn't get a
[40:38] 
[40:38] response from the city manager'
[40:40] s
[40:40] office.
[40:40] and so we need more than a
[40:45] smile.
[40:45] I need to know if we need to   communic
[40:49] communicate with you to get som
[40:50] e
[40:50] clarification that we have tha
[40:53] t
[40:54] ability.
[40:54] not your previous city manager,
[40:56] 
[40:56] but the one before that that w
[40:58] as
[40:58] a horrible experience.  Th
[41:00] the previous manager was a goo
[41:07] d
[41:07] experience.
[41:07] you could communicate, walk it
[41:09] 
[41:09] up the ladder and follow the
[41:10] process.
[41:10] as citizens, we need to have a
[41:15] n
[41:16] input to see who it is that
[41:22] applies, the credentials and
[41:25] have a feel that we're heard
[41:27] from our side.
[41:28] this is no complaint against mr.
[41:30] 
[41:30] persons, but I do feel that we
[41:31] 
[41:33] need to have a -- for our
[41:35] comfort and our ease, to make
[41:40] 
[41:40] sure that it's nothing you get
[41:41] 
[41:42] from entitlement or a few peopl
[41:44] e
[41:44] like you.
[41:44] it's because the community
[41:46] trusts the leadership that we'
[41:47] re
[41:47] about to spend $55,000 on a
[41:53] private company to make sure
[41:55] that they can be sustained.
[42:02] we're about to give away $55,000
[42:04] 
[42:04] to a private entity that's for
[42:07] 
[42:08] profit, definitely we could
[42:10] spend $100,000 to make sure we
[42:12] 
[42:13] have a great leader.
[42:13] >> mayor: thank you, pastor
[42:18] rawles.
[42:18] >> that was our last speaker.
[42:22] >> mayor: commissioner duncan
[42:26] 
[42:26] walker?
[42:26] >> my comments are brief.
[42:28] I support the public process fo
[42:30] r
[42:30] most of the reasons most of us
[42:31] 
[42:31] have stated up here today.
[42:32] I have had the opportunity to
[42:35] 
[42:35] watch the community really
[42:36] enjoy, and not just get
[42:38] something out of, but be able t
[42:40] o
[42:40] provide what I consider valuable
[42:41] 
[42:41] input to us, when they've had
[42:43] 
[42:43] the opportunity to interact wit
[42:45] h
[42:45] those individuals who were
[42:47] applying for this position in
[42:48] 
[42:48] the meet and greets and in the
[42:55] 
[42:56] varying ways they can when the
[42:58] 
[42:58] process is public.
[42:58] it's accessibility, it's
[43:04] transparency, and it's the kin
[43:05] d
[43:06] of trust we need to continue t
[43:07] o
[43:07] build with the public, so
[43:11] certainly I support that.
[43:11] I'm on the fence about the tim
[43:13] e
[43:14] frames, because while part of m
[43:16] e
[43:16] would like to jump into it.
[43:19] another part of me thinks from
[43:20] 
[43:20] the perspective of where we may
[43:22] 
[43:23] be down the line, and that lev
[43:26] el
[43:26] of just not knowing who will b
[43:27] e
[43:27] here, and I remember some
[43:30] comments by some of my
[43:31] colleagues who are here with u
[43:32] s
[43:32] now about wishing they had had
[43:34] 
[43:34] the desire to be a part of the
[43:37] 
[43:38] process n making a selection
[43:40] that occurred just before they
[43:41] 
[43:41] got here.
[43:42] I'm sensitive to throws types o
[43:44] f
[43:44] things, if I put myself in that
[43:46] 
[43:46] situation, where I had just
[43:48] missed that opportunity and
[43:49] literally the individuals who
[43:50] 
[43:50] were a port of that process,
[43:52] were no longer at the dais, tha
[43:53] t
[43:53] would really be something.
[43:56] I'd like to get down to
[43:58] business, absolutely, but I als
[44:00] o
[44:00] am sensitive to the fact that
[44:03] 
[44:03] whoever is sitting at this dai
[44:05] s
[44:05] should be a part of making tha
[44:10] t
[44:10] decision in who they will have
[44:11] 
[44:12] the opportunity to work with,
[44:13] 
[44:13] when they're seated here.
[44:14] I'll conclude my comments with
[44:16] 
[44:17] that but the public being
[44:18] involved in this process is
[44:20] really my most important piece
[44:21] .
[44:21] >> thank you, commissioner
[44:25] duncan walker.
[44:26] commissioner eastman?
[44:27] >> thank you.
[44:27] before I spoke on doing the
[44:29] public process, before I do
[44:30] that, I want to say, mr. Mayor
[44:33] 
[44:33] in the last process that we ha
[44:35] d,
[44:35] where we were deciding about -
[44:37] -
[44:38] when you first came into office
[44:39] ,
[44:39] there was a slew of -- everyon
[44:41] e
[44:42] was interim at that point.
[44:43] one permanent.
[44:45] you made the recommendation to
[44:47] ma
[44:47] make all of those -- to move
[44:48] from interim to the permanent
[44:53] 
[44:53] positions.
[44:53] that was brand new in the role.
[44:54] 
[44:54] I would say you were 100% right
[44:57] abou
[44:57] about that.  We
[44:57] we had no idea what we were
[44:59] about to go through.
[45:00] there's no way we could have
[45:02] told the future, I was thankful
[45:04] 
[45:04] for you for taking that kind o
[45:05] f
[45:05] a stance, and in this instance
[45:07] ,
[45:08] I -- I still feel now as I do
[45:10] 
[45:10] then, that this is an important
[45:12] 
[45:13] process to go through.
[45:15] but just to give some credence
[45:17] 
[45:17] to what your point was at the
[45:24] 
[45:24] time.
[45:24] I am in favor, but I didn't get
[45:27] 
[45:27] into option one or option two,
[45:29] I
[45:30] support commissioner chestnut's,
[45:32] what you said about option one,
[45:33] 
[45:34] I think there's always going t
[45:35] o   be
[45:35] be more questions, more thought
[45:36] s
[45:36] as to where we -- you know, that
[45:39] 
[45:39] we could hold this off for
[45:41] longer, I think it's important
[45:42] 
[45:42] to get someone in that is
[45:44] permanent and get this done as
[45:45] 
[45:46] opposed to have this holdout for
[45:47] 
[45:47] a while.
[45:47] regardless of what we do, I'll
[45:49] 
[45:50] point out this ends.
[45:51] if you look at the time line, we
[45:54] 
[45:54] are interviewing folks, and this
[45:55] 
[45:55] comes to a decision point in
[45:59] december.
[45:59] we do the final employment
[46:03] agreement in week 16, we selec
[46:04] t
[46:05] the charter officer week 14 and
[46:08] 
[46:08] 15.
[46:08] there's ample opportunity for
[46:10] 
[46:10] whoever runs and wins, which m
[46:12] ay
[46:12] end in august, aas opposed to
[46:15] 
[46:15] november and december.
[46:16] even if there is a runoff for
[46:19] 
[46:19] that person to come in and hav
[46:20] e
[46:20] a say in that.
[46:20] I would rather just have this.
[46:22] 
[46:22] I would rather get this done,
[46:24] 
[46:24] have this off the table and be
[46:26] 
[46:26] able to move through to other
[46:28] 
[46:28] priorities.
[46:28] I would support option one.
[46:30] thank you.
[46:30] >> mayor: thank you,
[46:33] commissioner eastman,
[46:34] commissioner willits?
[46:38] >> thank you, mayor.
[46:39] new commissioners may have a
[46:41] say, which I like input, but a
[46:43] 
[46:43] say is a vote, you know, and t
[46:45] he
[46:45] thing is, we go with option 1,
[46:47] 
[46:47] you can literally have a
[46:50] majority of this commission
[46:51] that's not going to work with
[46:52] 
[46:52] this new manager.
[46:54] not people who lose an electio
[46:56] n
[46:56] are going to say -- oh, I'm
[46:58] going to stick you with the dud
[47:00] 
[47:00] or something, but they won't
[47:02] have to face the consequences of
[47:04] 
[47:04] working with the next manager.
[47:06] 
[47:06] and I have a lot of trust in m
[47:08] y
[47:09] colleagues, we try to do what'
[47:10] s
[47:11] right, kind of for the long
[47:13] term, not necessarily what an
[47:14] 
[47:14] individual needs or wants, wha
[47:16] t
[47:16] the community needs or wants.
[47:18] that's why I lean toward optio
[47:20] n
[47:20] two, I get a -- I don't always
[47:22] 
[47:22] think that we should have to
[47:24] like -- there's always going t
[47:25] o
[47:25] be an election, an issue, if w
[47:29] e
[47:29] were doing this last fall, wou
[47:30] ld
[47:30] I have said yeah, let's get it
[47:32] 
[47:32] done right there.
[47:33] in my mind, we're close enough
[47:35] ,
[47:36] looking out that, okay, make
[47:37] this that process, and the new
[47:39] 
[47:40] commissioners would be able to
[47:41] 
[47:42] in january -- even in october,
[47:43] 
[47:44] they will know who applicants
[47:48] 
[47:48] are.
[47:48] by december, know who the
[47:51] finalists are, there's a
[47:52] process, and they can hit the
[47:54] 
[47:54] ground in january, having
[47:58] conversations and be able to
[48:00] vote, that's what I lean toward
[48:01] 
[48:01] too.
[48:01] thanks.
[48:01] >> mayor: thank you,
[48:06] commissioner chestnut?
[48:08] >> yes, I just want to add,
[48:10] commissioner eastman was elected
[48:12] 
[48:12] in august and could not be
[48:16] seated until january.
[48:17] we involved him in each -- he
[48:19] 
[48:19] was invited to sit at the table
[48:21] 
[48:22] in each discussion, so that he
[48:23] 
[48:23] was involved in the process.
[48:25] while he did not have a vote, h
[48:29] e
[48:29] had a voice.
[48:29] and we heard his voice.
[48:32] so that's why I was going with
[48:34] 
[48:34] option one, because I think --
[48:38] I
[48:38] suspect all of you will be
[48:41] re-elected in august, except f
[48:45] or
[48:45] one --
[48:47] [ inaudible ]
[48:48] and you'll be at the table unt
[48:49] il
[48:49] we begin that process in
[48:51] january.
[48:51] thank you.
[48:51] >> mayor: thank you.
[48:54] commissioner chestnut, I
[48:56] appreciate your optimism, but I
[49:00] 
[49:00] do want us to be mindful that
[49:04] 
[49:04] because of what we've said, thi
[49:06] s
[49:06] is likely -- or at least
[49:08] potentially to become a campaig
[49:10] n
[49:10] issue if we do it with option
[49:14] 
[49:14] one.
[49:14] I don't think you want to chose
[49:20] 
[49:20] a city manager by ballot, that'
[49:25] s
[49:25] not our system.
[49:26] I'm not saying it's a bad
[49:28] system, but that's not what our
[49:29] 
[49:30] system is supposed to be.
[49:34] I for that reason would be more
[49:37] 
[49:37] comfortable with making it
[49:38] option two.
[49:39] if there are four new people
[49:41] here, I want to make sure they
[49:42] 
[49:42] get a vote.
[49:43] the one we know is going to be
[49:45] 
[49:45] different, gets a vote on who
[49:50] 
[49:50] they're going to be working wit
[49:51] h
[49:51] as city manager.
[49:52] I'm generally open to the other
[49:54] 
[49:55] one, but the politicization of
[49:58] 
[49:58] it leads me to option 2.
[50:01] and I want to say, also,
[50:05] commissioner willits, I hear
[50:06] what you're saying about the
[50:08] property tax vote and that sor
[50:09] t
[50:10] of thing, anyone who might app
[50:14] ly
[50:14] who is anyone we want to hire
[50:16] is
[50:16] already watching that they're
[50:17] 
[50:17] already on it.
[50:18] and if they're not again,
[50:20] they're probably not someone w
[50:23] e
[50:25] want to hire.
[50:27] everything that we take for
[50:30] granted because we're in the
[50:31] middle of it, people from the
[50:32] 
[50:32] outside are saying, is that
[50:35] something I want?
[50:37] but I would just caution us wit
[50:40] h
[50:40] that.
[50:40] and again, that probably seeks
[50:42] 
[50:43] better to option two.
[50:44] I'm open to option 2.
[50:51] >> I'll try not to say the sam
[50:54] e
[50:54] thing twice.
[50:55] I would like to throw another
[51:00] 
[51:00] reason on why I'm in favor of
[51:02] 
[51:02] option 2.
[51:04] is that, just the other things
[51:06] 
[51:06] going on at the time.
[51:07] in august you were looking at
[51:09] 
[51:09] elections that I think a lot o
[51:10] f
[51:11] us would be focused on, and the
[51:13] n
[51:13] september you were going to be
[51:14] 
[51:14] looking at the middle of budge
[51:16] t
[51:16] season, which is probably one o
[51:19] f
[51:19] the most intense things we do.
[51:21] 
[51:21] and it seems like a lot of
[51:23] overlap to start this process I
[51:26] n
[51:26] the middle of.
[51:27] if this is going to be a long
[51:30] 
[51:30] process, I just assume it be t
[51:31] he
[51:31] focus of what we're doing, I
[51:34] think option two puts the bulk
[51:35] of
[51:35] of that work into a time that w
[51:37] e
[51:37] usually got the ability to foc
[51:39] us
[51:39] on that issue, instead of
[51:42] looking at the budget, looking
[51:44] 
[51:44] at all these other things that
[51:46] 
[51:46] are going on.
[51:46] I'm an option 2 fan, but that'
[51:48] s
[51:48] where I stand on that.
[51:48] >> mayor: thank you,
[51:52] commissioner ingle.
[51:53] commissioner book.
[51:53] >> just hearing so many comment
[51:56] s
[51:56] makes me lean toward the first
[51:58] 
[51:58] option.
[51:58] and the reason for that, I
[52:00] always like to depoliticize
[52:08] anything we're doing.
[52:09] I know people will know we're
[52:13] 
[52:13] looking at decisions, whether I
[52:15] t
[52:15] benefits us or doesn't benefit
[52:16] 
[52:16] us.
[52:16] the least political decision w
[52:22] e
[52:22] can make, we always have
[52:24] tremendous amounts of other big
[52:25] 
[52:25] things going on.
[52:26] I think the fact that anybody,
[52:28] 
[52:28] even if I'm not rerunning, for
[52:31] 
[52:31] example, you -- I feel like I
[52:33] 
[52:33] will have a voice regardless.
[52:34] I'm going to support either
[52:36] option, I think the process is
[52:38] 
[52:38] much more important than any o
[52:40] ne
[52:40] of us.
[52:41] but I think taking any of the,
[52:43] 
[52:43] who's going to be elected and
[52:45] 
[52:45] who's going to be sitting up
[52:46] here out of the equation is
[52:49] possible, even though people
[52:50] will give, they will think tha
[52:52] t
[52:53] we may have explanations that
[52:54] 
[52:54] lean toward one or the other I
[52:57] s
[52:58] important.
[52:58] that's just me.
[53:00] >> mayor: thank you,
[53:00] commissioner book.
[53:01] does someone want to make a
[53:07] motion, commissioner chestnut?
[53:08] 
[53:08] >> it looks like we would have
[53:13] 
[53:13] support, total support for
[53:14] option two, so I will move tha
[53:17] t
[53:18] we begin the search process and
[53:21] 
[53:22] start that process beginning I
[53:26] n
[53:26] october.
[53:26] hopefully to conclude in
[53:28] february.
[53:28] >> second.
[53:29] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[53:30] a
[53:31] second.
[53:31] all in favor?
[53:32] >> aye.
[53:33] >> mayor: any opposed?
[53:34] that passes unanimously.
[53:34] thank you all for the excellent
[53:38] 
[53:39] conversation on that.
[53:42] and miss gretz you have your
[53:46] work ahead of you.
[53:47] >> we're on to 2026-225 public
[53:55] 
[53:56] works department update.
[53:58] >> mayor: welcome.
[53:59] >> good morning mr. Mayor,
[54:02] commissioners.
[54:02] this is our very first public
[54:06] 
[54:06] works departmentwide update.
[54:06] and I know there are a lot of
[54:08] 
[54:08] slides -- it will be a longer
[54:10] 
[54:10] presentation than what we'll d
[54:11] o
[54:11] in the future, but we'll try to
[54:13] 
[54:13] keep it rolling through.
[54:14] I want to talk about the
[54:24] origination of public works,
[54:26] started in 1933, with the new
[54:29] 
[54:29] deal and the public works
[54:31] administration, and the civil
[54:35] 
[54:35] conservation core.
[54:36] streets, highways, bridges,
[54:41] hospitals, even though the pwa
[54:42] 
[54:42] was short lived it shut down in
[54:44] 
[54:44] 1944, it created a lot of
[54:46] infrastructure, including the
[54:49] 
[54:49] hoover dam, which I think I hav
[54:50] e
[54:50] the right pointer.
[54:51] >> mayor: I was going to ask you
[54:53] 
[54:53] what district that was in.
[54:53] >> and the reason why I -- the
[54:59] 
[54:59] hoover dam started in 1931, so
[55:01] 
[55:02] before the public works
[55:03] administration, it was finished
[55:04] 
[55:05] with the help of pwa.
[55:08] I chose to use that photo,
[55:17] because it was named after
[55:20] herbert hoover.
[55:21] we also have some gainesville
[55:24] 
[55:24] area, early public works, and
[55:27] 
[55:27] that includes the bullwart
[55:32] springs, it started in 1891, a
[55:34] nd
[55:34] it was part of the city's first
[55:36] 
[55:37] municipal water utility, until
[55:40] 
[55:40] 1913, and then it later
[55:43] functioned as an auxiliary wat
[55:45] er
[55:45] source.
[55:45] now it's an historic place.
[55:47] I included in a smaller level,
[55:50] the apwa acronym, so we
[55:57] are --
[55:58] [ inaudible ]
[55:58] it was founded originally in
[56:00] 1937, and we've been a long
[56:02] accredited member, what does
[56:04] that mean in short terms?
[56:05] it means we follow a certain
[56:07] standard of policies and
[56:08] procedures, and we implement a
[56:11] 
[56:11] best management, standard
[56:13] practice of work that meets the
[56:16] 
[56:16] pwa standards.
[56:18] we go through an accreditation
[56:22] 
[56:22] process for years.
[56:23] we're one of 172 agencies in
[56:28] north america and canada that
[56:29] 
[56:29] are credited.
[56:30] and 27 in florida.
[56:32] we're currently going through
[56:34] 
[56:34] the reaccreditation process no
[56:38] w.
[56:38] just real quick on our public
[56:41] 
[56:41] works mission, it's to basically
[56:43] 
[56:43] enhance the quality life for
[56:46] gainesville community by
[56:48] maintaining and managing our
[56:52] infrastructure and solid waste
[56:54] 
[56:55] services.
[56:55] we do have a lot of assets tha
[56:58] t
[56:58] we manage, that includes 401
[57:02] center line miles of road.
[57:04] sidewalks, 205 miles, we hav
[57:08] some significant assets out
[57:09] there.
[57:09] traffic infrastructure, we hav
[57:13] e
[57:14] 251 interconnected traffic
[57:16] signals, we maintain the entire
[57:18] 
[57:18] traffic signals for the county
[57:19] ,
[57:19] that includes ourselves, dot,
[57:22] 
[57:22] alachua county, and what we cal
[57:23] l
[57:23] the seven cities.
[57:24] if I can remember them all,
[57:27] archer, alatch way, high
[57:30] springs, micanopy, waldo, and I
[57:33] 
[57:33] think I hit them all, newberry.
[57:34] 
[57:34] and that's a large revenue
[57:43] source for us too.
[57:43] over a million dollars, I think
[57:45] 
[57:45] it's over 1.3 or $4 million tha
[57:49] t
[57:49] we get from seven cities, from
[57:53] 
[57:53] the dot in alachua county.
[57:55] we are a city of creeks, some
[57:57] of
[57:57] our major creeks being hog tow
[58:00] n
[58:01] possum creek, sweetwater branch
[58:02] ,
[58:02] and we have other little creek
[58:05] s
[58:06] that are tributaries to the
[58:07] larger creeks.
[58:08] so a lot of water quality
[58:10] concerns and issues, a lot of
[58:12] 
[58:12] water quality and flood plain
[58:16] 
[58:16] type concerns and issues.
[58:17] we manage all of this on a $57
[58:19] 
[58:19] million budget, and this is kin
[58:21] d
[58:21] of a breakdown of the budget,
[58:24] 
[58:24] solid waste being our largest
[58:27] 
[58:27] component.
[58:27] but then general fund, storm
[58:30] water fund and we go down from
[58:35] 
[58:35] there.
[58:35] public works does come in lots
[58:39] 
[58:39] of sizes, right?
[58:41] some public works might only
[58:44] have an operation section.
[58:44] some might have an engineering
[58:46] 
[58:47] section, some might have
[58:49] utilities, we are five
[58:50] divisions, we have our
[58:53] operations team led by mr. Jar
[58:54] ed
[58:54] lloyd, we have our engineering
[58:56] 
[58:57] team led by dr. Chase knight, w
[58:59] e
[58:59] have facilities management, led
[59:03] 
[59:03] by mr. Derry kaufmann.
[59:04] our administrative team is led
[59:09] 
[59:09] by miss anissa booth who was
[59:13] unable to be here today.
[59:14] and our technology team is led
[59:18] 
[59:18] by steve rossi.
[59:19] I wanted to include slides on
[59:21] 
[59:21] overall performance for us.
[59:21] we have -- these are some raw
[59:29] 
[59:29] overall scores -- raw overall
[59:32] 
[59:32] numbers for the entire
[59:35] department that represent
[59:35] service requests that come in,
[59:37] 
[59:37] service requests that are close
[59:41] d
[59:41] and work order centers that ar
[59:43] e
[59:43] open, work orders that are
[59:45] closed.
[59:45] one of the things that I want t
[59:47] o
[59:47] make sure I note, the reason why
[59:49] 
[59:49] the service request here in th
[59:50] e
[59:51] blue and the orange seem low I
[59:54] s
[59:54] because there was a period of
[59:55] 
[59:55] time where solid waste was onl
[59:57] y
[59:57] going into gru's utility
[1:00:02] software, then they changed int
[1:00:03] o
[1:00:03] a different platform.
[1:00:04] we don't have those numbers
[1:00:06] available to us right now.
[1:00:06] you'll see that we have a sudde
[1:00:10] n
[1:00:10] increase in the service reques
[1:00:12] t,
[1:00:12] but that just reflects what
[1:00:15] we're doing in city works, whi
[1:00:16] ch
[1:00:16] is where we track everything.
[1:00:18] and the overall trend for us,
[1:00:24] 
[1:00:24] for service request is up, we
[1:00:27] 
[1:00:27] basically averaged in fiscal
[1:00:29] '24, an average of 53 service
[1:00:32] 
[1:00:32] requests a day, we're currently
[1:00:33] 
[1:00:34] up to 76 a day.
[1:00:35] those are basically every singl
[1:00:37] e
[1:00:37] day we get approximately that
[1:00:40] 
[1:00:40] many service request calls.
[1:00:41] that's basically called -- it
[1:00:43] 
[1:00:43] doesn't mean we do any work
[1:00:45] associated with it, that's
[1:00:46] different than the work orders
[1:00:47] 
[1:00:48] which is the green and lighter
[1:00:49] 
[1:00:49] blue on the top.
[1:00:50] in general, with those, those
[1:00:51] 
[1:00:51] are accurate for all of the
[1:00:53] departments, all the groups,
[1:00:57] from fiscal '21, we started wit
[1:00:59] h
[1:00:59] 42.6 work orders a day, and now
[1:01:02] 
[1:01:03] we're at 51, we've gotten as
[1:01:05] high as 58 per day.
[1:01:08] so a lot of work going through
[1:01:11] 
[1:01:12] the department.
[1:01:12] these ended up a little smaller
[1:01:14] 
[1:01:14] than I anticipated, but I wante
[1:01:16] d
[1:01:16] to kind of also reflect the
[1:01:18] total cost of the work orders.
[1:01:19] 
[1:01:19] you'll see we have a steady
[1:01:22] trend up, that's something to d
[1:01:24] o
[1:01:24] with -- we also have increasing
[1:01:26] 
[1:01:26] number of work orders, it also
[1:01:28] 
[1:01:28] has to do with the cost of
[1:01:30] things going up, asphalt,
[1:01:32] concrete, supplies, thing wez
[1:01:33] 
[1:01:33] need to do the actual work.
[1:01:34] and then the last slide really
[1:01:42] 
[1:01:42] just speaks to more of the
[1:01:43] service request and work order
[1:01:44] s
[1:01:45] and where we are in terms of
[1:01:46] efficiency, what I call
[1:01:48] efficiency, how many are we
[1:01:50] closing through the fiscal year
[1:01:53] .
[1:01:53] so we're going from -- the blu
[1:01:56] e
[1:01:56] line is service requests, and
[1:01:58] 
[1:01:58] how many we're closing, but you
[1:01:59] 
[1:01:59] can see, if you remember, the
[1:02:01] 
[1:02:01] numbers were going up a lot for
[1:02:02] 
[1:02:02] service requests, we were
[1:02:04] averaging 76 per day right now,
[1:02:05] 
[1:02:06] you can see our efficiency is
[1:02:08] 
[1:02:08] kind of decreased a little bit.
[1:02:09] 
[1:02:09] because our staff is the same
[1:02:11] 
[1:02:11] number, so it's harder to get to  ever
[1:02:12] everybody.
[1:02:12] as quickly.
[1:02:13] as we go through, as the
[1:02:26] division manager goes through,
[1:02:27] 
[1:02:27] there are individual groups and
[1:02:28] 
[1:02:29] teams and what they're doing,
[1:02:31] 
[1:02:31] they'll be touching on the
[1:02:32] strategic goals as we go along
[1:02:34] 
[1:02:34] through there.
[1:02:34] and I'm going to turn it over,
[1:02:37] 
[1:02:38] first to garrett kaufmann our
[1:02:41] 
[1:02:41] facilities manager.
[1:02:41] >> mayor: welcome.
[1:02:46] >> good morning.
[1:02:47] I'm gary kaufmann, the
[1:02:50] facilities manager, and
[1:02:52] facilities division of public
[1:02:53] 
[1:02:53] works, I'm here to give you a
[1:02:55] 
[1:02:55] brief overview of what we're
[1:02:56] doing in the facilities
[1:02:57] division.
[1:02:57] first of all, I want to give y
[1:03:01] ou
[1:03:01] guys a rundown of what our
[1:03:04] department looks like, we have
[1:03:06] 
[1:03:06] 24 1/2 fte in our department,
[1:03:08] 
[1:03:08] including myself.
[1:03:09] I am the manager, we have an
[1:03:11] assistant manager, we have two
[1:03:13] 
[1:03:14] supervisors, we have seven
[1:03:16] mechanical staff covers,
[1:03:18] mechanical electrical plumbing,
[1:03:19] 
[1:03:20] which is hvac and firearms, we
[1:03:26] 
[1:03:26] have three structural personnel.
[1:03:28] 
[1:03:28] it's a very lean subdivision o
[1:03:30] f
[1:03:31] our department.
[1:03:31] we have two carpenters and one
[1:03:34] 
[1:03:34] painter.
[1:03:34] we have nine custodial staff I
[1:03:37] n
[1:03:37] our department, and one capital
[1:03:39] 
[1:03:39] projects manager, and then the
[1:03:42] 
[1:03:42] second part time -- temporary
[1:03:44] 
[1:03:44] part time capital projects
[1:03:44] manager.
[1:03:44] our department is broken down
[1:03:55] 
[1:03:55] into several different
[1:03:56] categories, operations and
[1:03:58] maintenance, which basically
[1:04:00] covers a wide variety of
[1:04:02] maintenance on roofs and walls,
[1:04:06] 
[1:04:07] operations, that's for
[1:04:10] structural, and we do
[1:04:14] mechanical, we do a lot with
[1:04:15] firearms.
[1:04:15] operations and maintenance and
[1:04:18] 
[1:04:18] custodial, we do custodial wor
[1:04:20] k
[1:04:21] for a few of the buildings in
[1:04:22] 
[1:04:22] the city's portfolio, we do not
[1:04:24] 
[1:04:24] take all of them, we take care
[1:04:26] 
[1:04:26] of all the major ones, I think
[1:04:28] I
[1:04:29] shared this with you guys
[1:04:33] previously.
[1:04:33] the police department, the fir
[1:04:35] e
[1:04:35] department, parks takes care o
[1:04:37] f
[1:04:37] most of themselves.
[1:04:40] operations and maintenance
[1:04:43] administration, we take care,
[1:04:44] 
[1:04:44] make sure that we watch after
[1:04:47] 
[1:04:47] our budget and prepare for
[1:04:50] purchase orders, do a lot of
[1:04:52] administrative work that way.
[1:04:53] capital preservation, do a lot
[1:04:56] 
[1:04:56] of small projects for
[1:04:58] replacement of structural
[1:05:00] components.
[1:05:00] replacing doors, rollout doors,
[1:05:03] 
[1:05:04] fire departments.
[1:05:04] hvac systems, we go a lot of
[1:05:07] replacements, fire alarms, fir
[1:05:09] e
[1:05:09] alarm panels, different things
[1:05:11] 
[1:05:11] like that.
[1:05:11] I'll say we do facilities
[1:05:15] restoration and expansion.
[1:05:15] we do some remodeling work.
[1:05:19] we did the lobby out here with
[1:05:21] 
[1:05:21] the security improvements, stu
[1:05:23] ff
[1:05:23] like that.
[1:05:24] we do large projects, involve in
[1:05:27] 
[1:05:27] the new construction of fire
[1:05:30] station number three, number 9
[1:05:32] 
[1:05:32] and the eoc, all the projects
[1:05:34] 
[1:05:34] that falls on our department t
[1:05:35] o
[1:05:35] take care of those things.
[1:05:35] >> as far as our portfolio of
[1:05:46] 
[1:05:46] buildings, we eliminated some
[1:05:48] 
[1:05:48] buildings, touch on that you I
[1:05:50] n
[1:05:50] a minute.
[1:05:51] we have greater than 135
[1:06:04] buildings, we have over 200,00
[1:06:05] 0
[1:06:06] square feet of buildings that
[1:06:07] 
[1:06:07] are older than 50 years old, w
[1:06:09] e
[1:06:10] have a lot of very old
[1:06:12] buildings, and a lot of old
[1:06:13] equipment.
[1:06:13] so our staff stays quite busy
[1:06:16] 
[1:06:16] trying to keep up with it.
[1:06:18] this is the list of buildings.
[1:06:30] 
[1:06:30] we reduced it last year, we hav
[1:06:33] e
[1:06:33] taken away the boltin building
[1:06:36] 
[1:06:36] in the northeast complex.
[1:06:41] that should help our department
[1:06:43] 
[1:06:43] get a little more efficient.
[1:06:45] we have quite a bit to do with
[1:06:48] 
[1:06:48] these buildings, keeping up wi
[1:06:51] th
[1:06:51] the maintenance on them.
[1:06:51] facilities capital projects, o
[1:06:55] n
[1:06:56] the left we have 21 projects
[1:06:58] that our staff is currently
[1:07:00] working on, and I'll break tho
[1:07:02] se
[1:07:02] down a little more in a minute
[1:07:04] .
[1:07:04] those are small projects, but
[1:07:06] 
[1:07:06] are very important, they inclu
[1:07:07] de
[1:07:07] things like hvac systems, fire
[1:07:10] 
[1:07:10] alarm replacements.
[1:07:12] this building specifically is
[1:07:15] 
[1:07:15] getting two new chillers.
[1:07:16] we're also working in the next
[1:07:18] 
[1:07:18] couple weeks to start replacing
[1:07:20] 
[1:07:20] the fire alarm, so we're reall
[1:07:22] y
[1:07:22] excited about that.
[1:07:23] >> that will be fun.
[1:07:25] >> let's hope not, let's hope
[1:07:28] we
[1:07:28] can keep that uneventful.
[1:07:29] >> on the right, we have the
[1:07:32] large projects shown again, the
[1:07:34] 
[1:07:34] gpd property and evidence
[1:07:38] building, public works,
[1:07:40] safety -- southwest safety
[1:07:43] annex, and hurricane hardening
[1:07:45] 
[1:07:46] for the hurricane works comple
[1:07:48] x.
[1:07:48] of the capital preservation
[1:07:50] projects that were on the bigge
[1:07:51] r
[1:07:51] list on the page prior.
[1:07:52] six of those currently are
[1:07:54] completed.
[1:07:54] 300 in construction, we have 1
[1:07:58] 0
[1:07:58] with equipment, including the
[1:08:00] 
[1:08:00] chillers, we're hoping to get
[1:08:01] 
[1:08:01] those shipped to us late april,
[1:08:03] 
[1:08:03] so we should be starting work o
[1:08:05] n
[1:08:05] that, hopefully may, june, we'
[1:08:07] ll
[1:08:07] have those completed.
[1:08:08] once we get the equipment in,
[1:08:10] 
[1:08:10] that stuff should move really
[1:08:11] 
[1:08:11] fast.
[1:08:11] we were finalizing, the time w
[1:08:14] e
[1:08:15] create the slide, we were
[1:08:17] finalizing procurement on the
[1:08:19] 
[1:08:19] project.
[1:08:19] one of them is a phased project
[1:08:21] 
[1:08:21] where we're doing some further
[1:08:22] 
[1:08:22] stud byes, we're waiting on
[1:08:25] finalizing the report on that,
[1:08:26] 
[1:08:26] so we can continue on with that
[1:08:27] 
[1:08:27] process.
[1:08:27] not included in that last slid
[1:08:31] e,
[1:08:31] we're also working on four
[1:08:33] different roof projects, one o
[1:08:34] f
[1:08:35] them is completed, one of them
[1:08:36] 
[1:08:37] is completed today.
[1:08:40] we were doing the flat roof
[1:08:44] portion of that.
[1:08:44] this week we're supposed to
[1:08:46] start the td mcpherson roof.
[1:08:48] we're waiting for the insulatio
[1:08:51] n
[1:08:51] to come n that's being torn off
[1:08:54] 
[1:08:54] and getting ready to get
[1:08:57] started.
[1:08:57] .
[1:08:57] that was not on the list, but I
[1:09:01] 
[1:09:01] just want to point that out, w
[1:09:02] e
[1:09:02] have quite a bit going on.
[1:09:03] street stations --
[1:09:09] >> mayor: commissioner chestnut
[1:09:10] ?
[1:09:10] >> yes.
[1:09:11] in replacing the roof, are we
[1:09:14] 
[1:09:14] using our own team or are you
[1:09:15] 
[1:09:15] contracting that out?
[1:09:16] >> we're contracting it out,
[1:09:18] these are relatively small
[1:09:23] roofs, you probably haven't see
[1:09:25] n
[1:09:25] these, they fall within our
[1:09:27] purchasing guidelines.
[1:09:28] they're small roofs.
[1:09:32] they fall under our agreement t
[1:09:35] o
[1:09:35] make things happen quickly.
[1:09:36] street stations and strong
[1:09:38] foundations, the gpd property
[1:09:40] business building, we should s
[1:09:43] ee
[1:09:43] the walls of the old building
[1:09:45] 
[1:09:45] start falling down.
[1:09:47] construction should start
[1:09:49] beginning -- it should be in
[1:09:51] may, actually, for the gfr
[1:09:55] administration, the eoc parking
[1:09:57] 
[1:09:58] lot, the fire station number 9,
[1:10:01] 
[1:10:01] number 3, we should start site
[1:10:03] 
[1:10:04] work on that early in may.
[1:10:05] public works hardening, we have
[1:10:08] 
[1:10:08] design completed, and that
[1:10:09] project is pretty much on hold
[1:10:11] 
[1:10:11] at the moment, but we are
[1:10:14] anxious to get that one going
[1:10:16] 
[1:10:16] to.
[1:10:16] kpi's, primarily on kpi's, we
[1:10:20] 
[1:10:20] are looking at how many work
[1:10:22] orders we received, and how fas
[1:10:23] t
[1:10:23] we can get them done, our
[1:10:26] efficiency in getting them done
[1:10:27] .
[1:10:27] you see in 25, we had almost
[1:10:30] 5600.
[1:10:30] and we set a goal for 55 00 thi
[1:10:33] s
[1:10:33] year, for a total number of wor
[1:10:35] k
[1:10:35] orders, right now at the end o
[1:10:37] f
[1:10:39] fiscal year 56 quarter one,
[1:10:41] we're at 11 00, we're on track
[1:10:43] 
[1:10:43] with what our goals are, and a
[1:10:44] s
[1:10:45] far as the actual numbers
[1:10:48] completed, we're probably just
[1:10:49] a
[1:10:49] little bit behind on that our
[1:10:52] 
[1:10:52] completion rates, you see on
[1:10:54] this slide are at 89.5% at the
[1:10:58] 
[1:10:59] end of our first quarter, and
[1:11:01] 
[1:11:01] our goal was 95% at the end of
[1:11:03] 
[1:11:03] the year.
[1:11:04] we should be a little better off
[1:11:06] 
[1:11:06] on that, a lot of the
[1:11:08] incompletion rates have to do
[1:11:12] 
[1:11:12] with things like that.
[1:11:17] average days of getting work
[1:11:20] orders done.
[1:11:20] this is something we're trying
[1:11:21] 
[1:11:22] to speed up in getting work
[1:11:23] orders addressed, and get them
[1:11:25] 
[1:11:25] completedagain.
[1:11:25] this has to do a lot with
[1:11:28] waiting on parts and materials,
[1:11:29] 
[1:11:29] that kind of thing holds us up.
[1:11:31] 
[1:11:31] I think we've done a pretty goo
[1:11:37] d
[1:11:37] job of improving this, and you
[1:11:39] 
[1:11:39] can see that our goal was for
[1:11:41] 
[1:11:41] ten days and we're at about 18
[1:11:47] 
[1:11:47] for the first quarter.
[1:11:48] and we're moving in the right
[1:11:51] 
[1:11:51] direction, we're much better
[1:11:53] than what our actuals were
[1:11:54] showing last year, but we have
[1:11:55] a
[1:11:55] little bit of work to do on
[1:11:58] that.
[1:11:58] that completes everything that
[1:12:00] I
[1:12:00] have to share with you guys, I
[1:12:02] 
[1:12:02] want to hand this over to jared
[1:12:04] 
[1:12:04] lloyd, the operations manager
[1:12:05] 
[1:12:05] for public works.
[1:12:06] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:12:07] welcome.
[1:12:07] >> thank you.
[1:12:08] good morning mr. Mayor,
[1:12:12] commissioners, jared lloyd,
[1:12:13] operations manager.
[1:12:13] with the operations division,
[1:12:18] 
[1:12:18] there's 7 of us on the
[1:12:21] administrative team that runs
[1:12:24] 
[1:12:24] operations.
[1:12:24] two of which are currently
[1:12:26] vacant working on fixing that.
[1:12:27] 
[1:12:27] I would love to have a full tea
[1:12:29] m
[1:12:29] to assist.
[1:12:34] in the operations team, there's
[1:12:35] 
[1:12:36] 129fte's, we're currently
[1:12:39] sitting at roughly 20 1/2%
[1:12:42] vacancy, but in operations, I
[1:12:43] 
[1:12:43] know I've been up here a lot
[1:12:45] about solid waste, but I also
[1:12:48] 
[1:12:48] oversee construction, drainage,
[1:12:50] 
[1:12:50] right-of-way,ing urban forestry
[1:12:53] ,
[1:12:53] mosquito control as well as
[1:12:56] solid waste, and a small engine
[1:12:57] 
[1:12:58] mechanic that we have at our
[1:12:58] warehouse.
[1:12:58] >> mayor: apology there, in
[1:13:04] your -- maybe you'll address
[1:13:05] this going-forward, of that
[1:13:08] 20.5%, is there a particular
[1:13:11] department that's heavier with
[1:13:12] 
[1:13:12] vacancies than others.
[1:13:13] >> no, not necessarily, it's a
[1:13:17] 
[1:13:17] lot of your workforce, grounds
[1:13:22] 
[1:13:23] workers, it's a high turnover
[1:13:25] 
[1:13:25] position, we're constantly
[1:13:27] restocking employees in those
[1:13:29] 
[1:13:29] positions.
[1:13:29] >> mayor: okay, thank you.
[1:13:29] >> we'll start with our
[1:13:34] construction section.
[1:13:35] my slides are going to be a
[1:13:37] little different than the
[1:13:38] previous ones you've seen, on
[1:13:39] 
[1:13:39] the left, you're going to see
[1:13:41] 
[1:13:41] numbers, they're strictly for
[1:13:43] 
[1:13:43] quarter one of this year.
[1:13:43] and then I'm providing a pictu
[1:13:48] re
[1:13:48] that I feel like best describes
[1:13:51] 
[1:13:52] the section I'm discussing.
[1:13:53] and then I'm really not going t
[1:13:54] o
[1:13:54] speak to the numbers, I'm going
[1:13:56] 
[1:13:56] to talk about the sections
[1:13:58] themselves.
[1:13:58] and then this picture, this is
[1:14:00] 
[1:14:01] really a great representation o
[1:14:04] f
[1:14:04] the construction team.
[1:14:04] you have your sidewalks, you
[1:14:07] have your curb inlets, your
[1:14:08] curbs themselves, your roadways
[1:14:11] ,
[1:14:11] your signs, your markings, all
[1:14:13] 
[1:14:13] of this is done by our
[1:14:17] construction team.
[1:14:18] so asphalt is one of the
[1:14:21] subsections of construction,
[1:14:22] it's a 12 person crew, they ar
[1:14:23] e
[1:14:23] in charge of all the potholes,
[1:14:26] 
[1:14:26] all of the full reconstruction
[1:14:27] 
[1:14:28] of roadways, that essentially
[1:14:32] 
[1:14:32] saves us money from contracting
[1:14:33] 
[1:14:33] it out, we do it in house.
[1:14:39] and we've got our concrete
[1:14:44] subsection which are responsible
[1:14:44] 
[1:14:44] for all the pedestrians
[1:14:48] pathways, ada compliance for
[1:14:51] ramps, sidewalks and curbs
[1:14:52] themselves on the roadways.
[1:14:53] the pavement preservation
[1:15:00] program is done at the
[1:15:03] administrative level, but we've
[1:15:04] 
[1:15:04] just recently introduced the d
[1:15:07] ot
[1:15:07] software, which uses the new sb
[1:15:09] I
[1:15:09] indexes to weight in and
[1:15:12] prioritize the roadways with t
[1:15:18] he
[1:15:18] sbi in mind.
[1:15:20] this is a picture putting down
[1:15:28] a
[1:15:28] binder on the roadway.
[1:15:30] it's getting rolled in, two,
[1:15:40] three weeks after this, they'll
[1:15:42] 
[1:15:42] top it with a micro surface, I
[1:15:44] t
[1:15:45] gives you a much loaninger lif
[1:15:47] e
[1:15:47] out of your roadways.
[1:15:49] pavement preservation is
[1:15:50] important to maintain our good
[1:15:51] 
[1:15:52] roadways so that we don't fail
[1:15:55] 
[1:15:56] and get to a point where we're
[1:15:57] 
[1:15:58] spending a bunch of money.
[1:15:59] a lot cheaper to do it this wa
[1:16:04] y.
[1:16:04] our drainage section, we have a
[1:16:06] n
[1:16:06] open water course and closed
[1:16:09] water course subsection.
[1:16:10] the open water course is simpl
[1:16:12] y
[1:16:13] ditches, retention ponds,
[1:16:14] anything that's open to the ai
[1:16:15] r,
[1:16:15] closed water course is going t
[1:16:17] o
[1:16:17] be all of your pipes, boxes,
[1:16:20] stuff that's buried that you
[1:16:25] ca't see.
[1:16:25] so this is our open water
[1:16:29] course, crew correcting a bridg
[1:16:32] e
[1:16:32] deficiency that was found by t
[1:16:35] he
[1:16:35] contractor that inspects our
[1:16:37] bridges.
[1:16:37] so we have to go in, divert
[1:16:40] water, and come in and fix the   defi
[1:16:44] deficiency so we can pass
[1:16:51] inspection.
[1:16:51] and then this is a great pictu
[1:16:53] re
[1:16:53] showing what the closed water
[1:16:55] 
[1:16:55] course team does, this is a
[1:16:56] project, this is when we put I
[1:16:59] n
[1:17:00] the new northeast 9th avenue
[1:17:03] roadway.
[1:17:03] this pipe system was placed,
[1:17:07] that's 8th avenue, so we built
[1:17:09] 
[1:17:09] 9th just behind this, this is
[1:17:11] 
[1:17:11] exactly what they do, this is a
[1:17:13] 
[1:17:13] smaller team of about 5.
[1:17:14] and they just come in, and
[1:17:18] really have a ton of pipes.
[1:17:20] miles and miles in pipes to
[1:17:23] maintain, they do a great job.
[1:17:24] 
[1:17:24] very good at their jobs.
[1:17:25] so we'll move on to our
[1:17:31] right-of-way section, the
[1:17:32] picture on the right, you see
[1:17:36] 
[1:17:36] this is the mad vac mini-that w
[1:17:39] e
[1:17:39] had to buy when we started
[1:17:42] putting in the one way pavers,
[1:17:44] 
[1:17:45] it's been a phenomenal machine.
[1:17:46] 
[1:17:46] and then we've got our full
[1:17:50] sized street sweepers that run
[1:17:53] 
[1:17:53] just curbed roadways.
[1:17:55] so the only roadways that will
[1:17:57] 
[1:17:58] get swept are curbed.
[1:17:59] a lot of people think the street
[1:18:01] 
[1:18:01] sweeper is here to clean the
[1:18:03] roadways, and they do that.
[1:18:05] the main purpose is to pull the
[1:18:07] 
[1:18:07] debris out of the roadway, so I
[1:18:09] t
[1:18:09] doesn't get flushed down into
[1:18:10] 
[1:18:10] the pipes and waterways, so it'
[1:18:13] s
[1:18:13] actually a water quality thing
[1:18:15] 
[1:18:15] more than it is a street
[1:18:19] cleaning thing.
[1:18:20] >> I'll pause you there and pas
[1:18:21] s
[1:18:21] on something that we heard in a
[1:18:23] 
[1:18:23] presentation many years ago,
[1:18:24] that was an eye opener for me.
[1:18:26] 
[1:18:26] that if you -- if your street I
[1:18:29] s
[1:18:29] a curb and gutter street, that
[1:18:31] 
[1:18:31] is -- if you have a curb, that'
[1:18:33] s
[1:18:33] part of our storm water
[1:18:36] management system.
[1:18:36] not every street is part of our
[1:18:38] 
[1:18:38] storm water management system,
[1:18:39] 
[1:18:39] if you have curb and gutter,
[1:18:40] that's part of it.
[1:18:41] >> it's very important.
[1:18:48] and then the maintenance and
[1:18:52] mowing section of our
[1:18:53] right-of-way team is extremely
[1:18:54] 
[1:18:56] important, they handle the
[1:18:57] medians, keeping the medians
[1:18:59] nice and clean.
[1:18:59] they make sure our sidewalks a
[1:19:01] re
[1:19:01] edged, cut back to keep our
[1:19:04] clearances for the pedestrians
[1:19:05] 
[1:19:05] walking the sidewalks.
[1:19:06] make sure we got our 7 foot
[1:19:09] height on everything, so peopl
[1:19:11] e
[1:19:11] aren't bumping heads walking
[1:19:12] down sidewalks.
[1:19:16] this is the downtown detail
[1:19:21] crew, we have the mad vac in t
[1:19:23] he
[1:19:23] streeterry area, they spend 10
[1:19:25] 0%
[1:19:25] of their time in core downtown
[1:19:27] ,
[1:19:28] really cleaning, making sure
[1:19:29] they're keeping up with
[1:19:31] graffiti, and garbage, any
[1:19:33] spills, they're fully dedicated
[1:19:36] 
[1:19:36] to downtown, they do a great
[1:19:37] job.
[1:19:37] we'll move into solid waste.
[1:19:45] I want to touch on a couple of
[1:19:47] 
[1:19:47] the key strategic goals before
[1:19:49] I
[1:19:49] get into it.
[1:19:50] we're currently in the final
[1:19:53] phases of our I.t. Negotiations
[1:19:58] .
[1:19:58] and we're in the scoring phase
[1:20:01] 
[1:20:01] for the food waste rfp.
[1:20:02] I can't get too much into it,
[1:20:05] 
[1:20:05] just wanted to give you an
[1:20:08] update on where we're at with
[1:20:09] 
[1:20:09] it.
[1:20:09] we'll go ahead and start with
[1:20:11] 
[1:20:11] solid waste, as you can see,
[1:20:12] this is an issue here with mov
[1:20:18] e
[1:20:18] n someone didn't plan for the
[1:20:19] 
[1:20:19] boxes.
[1:20:19] our inspector team is a team o
[1:20:22] f
[1:20:22] four.
[1:20:22] their entire job is to go out
[1:20:27] 
[1:20:27] and enforce our ordinances.
[1:20:29] and they do a phenomenal job.
[1:20:32] this one will I point at the
[1:20:35] numbers.
[1:20:35] this is impressive.
[1:20:36] just in the first quarter of
[1:20:38] this year, they've made contact
[1:20:40] 
[1:20:40] with 2700 residential and
[1:20:44] commercial properties.
[1:20:44] out of all of those only 4 wou
[1:20:48] nd
[1:20:48] up with a civil citation, it
[1:20:51] means they're doing a very goo
[1:20:53] d
[1:20:53] job educating people on the
[1:20:56] ordinance, what's required and
[1:20:57] 
[1:20:57] the residential and commercial
[1:20:58] 
[1:20:58] properties are following them.
[1:21:02] 
[1:21:02] our litter crew are up and dow
[1:21:04] n
[1:21:04] the sides of the roadways,
[1:21:07] cleaning up encampments that
[1:21:09] have been abandoned, they're
[1:21:11] constantly out running, picking
[1:21:14] 
[1:21:14] garbage cans up, a very
[1:21:16] important part to keeping all of
[1:21:18] 
[1:21:18] the city of gainesville clean
[1:21:22] 
[1:21:22] our surplus department, this, I
[1:21:24] 
[1:21:24] know this -- anyone who's a
[1:21:26] fleet freak, this picture may
[1:21:28] 
[1:21:28] freak you out, but essentially
[1:21:29] 
[1:21:30] this is the storage building f
[1:21:33] or
[1:21:33] all of the city's no longer
[1:21:36] needed items.
[1:21:36] so what we do, we turn the
[1:21:41] city's trash into treasure with
[1:21:45] 
[1:21:46] surplus.
[1:21:46] they made, I believe, right at
[1:21:49] a
[1:21:50] quarter million dollars last
[1:21:52] year out of disposed items and
[1:21:54] 
[1:21:54] kept them out of the land year
[1:21:55] .
[1:21:55] quarter one, they turned $57,0
[1:21:58] 00
[1:21:58] out of unwanted city items.
[1:22:01] they're very good at what they
[1:22:02] 
[1:22:03] do, very passionate.
[1:22:03] a lot of times my construction
[1:22:05] 
[1:22:06] crews will take a bent form fro
[1:22:09] m
[1:22:09] a concrete team, throw it in th
[1:22:11] e
[1:22:11] dumpster, recover it and sell,
[1:22:13] 
[1:22:13] and very good at what they do.
[1:22:14] 
[1:22:14] zero waste team, we're in a
[1:22:19] rebuilding phase on the zero
[1:22:20] waste team, we had some
[1:22:22] turnover, we just -- we're in
[1:22:23] 
[1:22:23] the process of getting our
[1:22:28] second and final zero waste
[1:22:32] specialist, this team is very
[1:22:34] 
[1:22:34] important when it comes to
[1:22:36] presenting to the community,
[1:22:37] getting out to the community a
[1:22:52] nd
[1:22:52] let them know what is expected
[1:22:54] 
[1:22:54] from our ordinances.
[1:22:54] >> how do organizations and
[1:22:59] nonprofits and citizens access
[1:23:02] 
[1:23:02] that and purchase things?
[1:23:03] can you tell us things about
[1:23:05] that?
[1:23:05] >> how dony purchase --
[1:23:07] >> our surplus goods.
[1:23:08] >> oh, okay.
[1:23:08] our surplus team will post the
[1:23:13] 
[1:23:14] goods.
[1:23:14] they first will put it back out
[1:23:16] 
[1:23:16] to city blo employees and say,
[1:23:21] is
[1:23:21] there anything here you're
[1:23:23] interested in?
[1:23:24] and when people come and get
[1:23:25] what they want, they'll turn
[1:23:27] around, take pictures of it,
[1:23:29] they inventory everything, and
[1:23:30] 
[1:23:30] put it on a go deals website,
[1:23:35] 
[1:23:35] either as a batch, if they hav
[1:23:36] e
[1:23:36] a bunch of matching chairs or
[1:23:38] 
[1:23:38] they have something special, a
[1:23:39] 
[1:23:40] computer unit, they'll put it o
[1:23:41] n
[1:23:41] there, people will bid on, and
[1:23:42] 
[1:23:42] buy it.
[1:23:42] >> very good, thank you.
[1:23:48] >> so then we have urban
[1:23:57] forestry.
[1:23:57] our tree crew, very important
[1:24:01] 
[1:24:01] crew, they're actually -- their
[1:24:05] 
[1:24:05] actual title is tree surgeons,
[1:24:07] I
[1:24:08] thought that was funny until I
[1:24:09] 
[1:24:09] saw them with a chain saw and
[1:24:13] 
[1:24:13] realized they are true
[1:24:14] craftsman.
[1:24:14] they can take a tree like this
[1:24:16] ,
[1:24:16] I wouldn't know what to do, the
[1:24:18] y
[1:24:18] have it cut, pushed, out of
[1:24:20] there, before you know it.
[1:24:21] they're phenomenal, very
[1:24:23] important to keeping the city o
[1:24:25] f
[1:24:25] gainesville roadways open and
[1:24:26] 
[1:24:26] running.
[1:24:26] our horticulturalist team loves
[1:24:32] 
[1:24:32] to plant trees.
[1:24:33] on the right, that's our edibl
[1:24:35] e
[1:24:36] grove that's in smokey bear
[1:24:38] park.
[1:24:38] off in the distance, you can't
[1:24:40] 
[1:24:40] see, there's one of our
[1:24:41] neighbors who picked some fruit
[1:24:42] 
[1:24:43] an was eating on the way out.
[1:24:44] this team's very passionate,
[1:24:47] they would plant a tree where
[1:24:49] 
[1:24:49] I'm standing if you would let
[1:24:50] 
[1:24:50] them.
[1:24:50] they're amazing.
[1:24:52] we have the program coordinator
[1:24:54] 
[1:24:56] who is the lead liaison to our
[1:24:59] 
[1:24:59] tree advisory board, also deals
[1:25:01] 
[1:25:03] directly with the public,
[1:25:04] sponsoring trees and really is
[1:25:07] 
[1:25:07] the -- kind of the outreach
[1:25:09] voice for urban forestry.
[1:25:13] and then we have mosquito
[1:25:17] control, so mosquito control
[1:25:19] kind of holds a special place I
[1:25:20] n
[1:25:20] my heart, this is where I
[1:25:23] started my journey with the
[1:25:29] city.
[1:25:29] so you may or may not know,
[1:25:32] mosquitos are the deadliest
[1:25:34] animal on the planet, they kil
[1:25:38] l
[1:25:38] 700,000 to a million people
[1:25:42] every year.
[1:25:43] in my opinion, mosquito control
[1:25:45] 
[1:25:46] is one of the best bangs for
[1:25:48] your puck that the city has.
[1:25:49] in 2016, we had some zeka cases
[1:25:53] 
[1:25:53] that came in with transient
[1:25:55] students.
[1:25:55] and the mosquito control team
[1:25:58] 
[1:25:58] had to go out and actually
[1:26:01] spray, treat and really make
[1:26:02] sure that we didn't take
[1:26:04] imported cases and make them
[1:26:05] locally acquired cases.
[1:26:08] very important part of the cit
[1:26:11] y
[1:26:11] of gainesville.
[1:26:12] the city of gainesville has a
[1:26:16] 
[1:26:16] very, very good integrated pes
[1:26:19] t
[1:26:19] management program, part of tha
[1:26:20] t
[1:26:20] is biological control, so thes
[1:26:26] e
[1:26:27] six ponds are on the public
[1:26:29] works compound.
[1:26:33] we raise fish that are native
[1:26:37] 
[1:26:37] species, they're ferocious
[1:26:39] eaters.
[1:26:39] any time a pond fills up, or w
[1:26:42] e
[1:26:42] have a new wet area that fills
[1:26:44] 
[1:26:44] after the rain, these fish go t
[1:26:47] o
[1:26:47] work, and they keep the
[1:26:50] population down.
[1:26:50] proactive treatment is done with
[1:26:53] 
[1:26:53] the vectomax, a dual active
[1:26:58] bacteria, that focuses on
[1:27:00] mosquito larvae, and when they
[1:27:02] 
[1:27:02] eat, they are unable to turn
[1:27:03] into adults.
[1:27:04] this is kind of a really short
[1:27:12] 
[1:27:12] sweet breakdown of a really goo
[1:27:14] d
[1:27:14] integrated pest management
[1:27:16] program.
[1:27:16] you have your surveillance whe
[1:27:18] re
[1:27:18] you're really going out there
[1:27:21] 
[1:27:21] and looking at what mosquitos
[1:27:23] 
[1:27:23] are popping off.
[1:27:23] you identify that mosquito, you
[1:27:25] 
[1:27:26] say, that's a swamp mosquito, a
[1:27:28] 
[1:27:29] container brieeder.
[1:27:32] our guys are doing that
[1:27:34] continuously, they're removing
[1:27:36] 
[1:27:37] tires, buckets they find on the
[1:27:38] 
[1:27:39] side of the road or a swamp,
[1:27:40] they're picking that stuff up
[1:27:43] 
[1:27:43] and physically removing the
[1:27:45] environment.
[1:27:45] they're treating proactively
[1:27:47] with the vectamax granules I w
[1:27:52] as
[1:27:52] previously speaking of.
[1:27:54] on the cattails you see, there's
[1:27:56] 
[1:27:56] two different types of mosquitos
[1:27:58] 
[1:27:58] that don't have to comment to
[1:28:00] 
[1:28:00] the surface for air.
[1:28:02] they tap into the roots of
[1:28:05] cattails so you can get what
[1:28:13] they're eating.
[1:28:13] with that, I will turn it over
[1:28:15] 
[1:28:16] to dr. Chase knight.
[1:28:17] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:28:18] I would recommend anyone who h
[1:28:20] as
[1:28:20] not spent any time with the
[1:28:23] mosquito control team, I would
[1:28:24] 
[1:28:25] strongly recommend that, we do
[1:28:26] 
[1:28:26] some really cool work with tha
[1:28:28] t
[1:28:30] and it was -- I haven't been o
[1:28:31] ut
[1:28:31] in a few years, I have to go
[1:28:34] back out and take a look.
[1:28:35] it's a high-tech use to this,
[1:28:39] 
[1:28:39] it's functional.
[1:28:39] spend a little time in our
[1:28:41] neighbors and one further out I
[1:28:42] n
[1:28:42] the county, you'll see a
[1:28:43] difference.
[1:28:43] >> good morning, I'm chase
[1:28:46] knight, the city engineer, I
[1:28:48] have the honor of leading the
[1:28:51] 
[1:28:51] engineering division with the
[1:28:52] 
[1:28:52] public works department.
[1:28:52] as with everybody else, I start
[1:28:55] 
[1:28:55] by reviewing the team.
[1:28:59] and I want to pause and make
[1:29:01] sure that I recognize the heart
[1:29:02] s
[1:29:02] and brains of the engineering
[1:29:05] 
[1:29:05] division.
[1:29:05] our greatest asset, our people
[1:29:08] .
[1:29:08] because without them, none of
[1:29:10] 
[1:29:10] the work or numbers that I'm
[1:29:11] about to go through will be
[1:29:13] possible.
[1:29:13] so the team here consists of
[1:29:18] 40.5fte's, we're divided into 5
[1:29:23] 
[1:29:23] sub teams, it's the capital
[1:29:25] projects and development review
[1:29:26] ,
[1:29:26] right-of-way permitting and
[1:29:28] inspections, storm water
[1:29:30] engineering, survey and traffi
[1:29:31] c
[1:29:31] management.
[1:29:31] so in terms of the high level
[1:29:37] 
[1:29:37] overview of some of the more
[1:29:39] important kpi's that we have,
[1:29:43] 
[1:29:43] and starting with the number o
[1:29:46] f
[1:29:46] design projects completed for
[1:29:48] 
[1:29:48] both roadway and storm water
[1:29:49] projects, we're right on track
[1:29:52] 
[1:29:52] through quarter one for fy '26,
[1:29:54] 
[1:29:54] and one thing I wanted to
[1:29:55] highlight here is, the majority
[1:29:59] 
[1:29:59] of projects that we're designing
[1:30:01] 
[1:30:01] are in house, that's been a key
[1:30:03] 
[1:30:03] focus for us, just to be able t
[1:30:05] o
[1:30:05] build up that expertise in
[1:30:06] house, so we can begin to
[1:30:09] balance our dependency.
[1:30:13] in terms of construction
[1:30:15] projects completed, we're on
[1:30:18] track with our goal for this
[1:30:22] fiscal year through quarter 1,
[1:30:23] 
[1:30:24] and just there are two examples
[1:30:25] 
[1:30:25] of projects that were completed
[1:30:28] during that
[1:30:29] during that quarter.
[1:30:30] and moving on to review tasks   for
[1:30:39] for developments, this is really  a
[1:30:40] a cross function of kpi's, so w
[1:30:42] e
[1:30:42] have multiple team members tha
[1:30:45] t
[1:30:47] review plans for development a
[1:30:48] nd
[1:30:48] building permits, along with
[1:30:50] other city departments in
[1:30:52] conjunction with the city
[1:30:53] departments.
[1:30:53] so again, for this one, we are
[1:30:56] 
[1:30:56] on track looking at our quarter
[1:30:58] 
[1:30:58] one numbers to meet our
[1:31:01] expectations for this fiscal
[1:31:05] year.
[1:31:05] and switching to traffic
[1:31:08] operations, again, we are on
[1:31:11] track for this particular kpi
[1:31:13] 
[1:31:13] looking at the number of traffic
[1:31:16] 
[1:31:16] engineers and related service
[1:31:19] 
[1:31:19] requests.
[1:31:19] our goal for this year is 100
[1:31:24] 
[1:31:24] through quarter one.
[1:31:25] we're just about on track to
[1:31:28] meet that expectation.
[1:31:29] we are slightly off our goal o
[1:31:32] f
[1:31:32] having 100% response time, les
[1:31:39] s
[1:31:39] than 40 hours, and that
[1:31:41] certainly is something that
[1:31:42] we'll continue to focus on
[1:31:43] improving.
[1:31:43] and then just to take a break
[1:31:47] 
[1:31:47] from the numbers for a little
[1:31:50] 
[1:31:50] bit, I do want to highlight som
[1:31:54] e
[1:31:54] general collaborations and key
[1:31:55] 
[1:31:57] initiatives that we've been
[1:32:00] working with other departments
[1:32:00] 
[1:32:00] and agencies, with the traffic
[1:32:03] 
[1:32:05] engineering side.
[1:32:06] so we've continued collaborati
[1:32:07] on
[1:32:07] with law enforcement partners,
[1:32:09] 
[1:32:10] on cctv integration, so we can
[1:32:13] 
[1:32:13] get realtime feeds, also,
[1:32:15] working with the sheriff's
[1:32:17] office as they explore buildin
[1:32:18] g
[1:32:18] a realtime intelligence center
[1:32:21] .
[1:32:21] and then we just continue with
[1:32:25] 
[1:32:25] preventative maintenance on all
[1:32:27] 
[1:32:28] 251 traffic signals.
[1:32:29] and the number is growing, tha
[1:32:31] t
[1:32:31] are maintained by the city.
[1:32:32] so that helps us to reduce
[1:32:36] calls, which saves time and
[1:32:39] money.
[1:32:39] moving to some numbers for a
[1:32:44] survey team.
[1:32:44] number of surveys completed.
[1:32:46] we're on track here for goal
[1:32:51] this fiscal year.
[1:32:52] number of right-of-way
[1:32:54] determinations, in support of
[1:32:55] reactive services for
[1:32:59] operations, gpd, code
[1:33:02] enforcement.
[1:33:02] also on track to meet our
[1:33:07] expectation for this year.
[1:33:09] likewise on track 4, the numbe
[1:33:12] r
[1:33:12] of legal descriptions complete
[1:33:14] d.
[1:33:14] one thing to highlight here tha
[1:33:17] t
[1:33:17] I show on the slide, basically,
[1:33:19] 
[1:33:20] it's not eligible, the picture
[1:33:23] s
[1:33:23] is an expert from the 42 page
[1:33:26] 
[1:33:26] legal description of the city
[1:33:27] 
[1:33:27] that our surveyor completed.
[1:33:27] I find it hard sometimes to kee
[1:33:33] p
[1:33:33] up with a half page legal
[1:33:36] description, not to mention one
[1:33:37] 
[1:33:38] that's 42 pages long.
[1:33:39] that's impressive.
[1:33:39] moving on to our right-of-way
[1:33:44] 
[1:33:44] permitting and inspections
[1:33:46] group, so looking at the numbe
[1:33:47] r
[1:33:47] of permits that I've been
[1:33:51] issued, for work in the
[1:33:52] right-of-way.
[1:33:52] again, right there on track for
[1:33:56] 
[1:33:57] what we expect this year.
[1:33:59] and then finally, looking at t
[1:34:02] he
[1:34:02] number of inspections that tha
[1:34:06] t
[1:34:06] team has completed per month,
[1:34:07] 
[1:34:07] and I do want to apologize,
[1:34:10] there's an update for this
[1:34:13] slide.
[1:34:13] so for the quarter one, the fy
[1:34:16] 
[1:34:17] '26 quarter one numbers, it is
[1:34:19] a
[1:34:19] total of 538 on average for
[1:34:22] those first three months of the
[1:34:23] 
[1:34:24] year.
[1:34:24] and that broke down to 173 for
[1:34:28] 
[1:34:29] building inspections, building
[1:34:30] 
[1:34:30] related inspections and building
[1:34:32] 
[1:34:32] permit related inspections.
[1:34:35] and 365 right-of-way permit
[1:34:41] inspections.
[1:34:41] and that concludes what I have
[1:34:46] 
[1:34:47] >> mayor: very good, thank I.
[1:34:48] I'll pass it on to mr. Rossi.
[1:34:50] >> mayor: welcome.
[1:34:51] >> steve rossi, computer syste
[1:34:55] ms
[1:34:55] analyst for public works.
[1:34:57] we're one of the smaller
[1:34:59] divisions of public works with
[1:34:59] 
[1:35:00] only two full time employees,
[1:35:01] 
[1:35:01] one of which is standing before
[1:35:03] 
[1:35:04] you.
[1:35:04] as such, we wear many, many
[1:35:05] different hats.
[1:35:06] anything from helping staff
[1:35:11] provide reportreports, procurem
[1:35:15] ent,
[1:35:15] how tos, training, anything that
[1:35:17] 
[1:35:17] happens to involve technology.
[1:35:20] 
[1:35:20] or as we like to think of it,
[1:35:21] 
[1:35:21] anything that plugs into the
[1:35:22] wall.
[1:35:22] the bulk of our workforce in
[1:35:26] public works is mobile.
[1:35:27] they're in the field all day
[1:35:30] long.
[1:35:30] they need mobile devices and
[1:35:32] communications.
[1:35:32] we keep track of almost 300
[1:35:34] devices for our staff.
[1:35:35] we also manage systems for the
[1:35:46] 
[1:35:47] gis system, some are shared by
[1:35:49] 
[1:35:50] public works and parks.
[1:35:51] and we also maintain our own
[1:35:54] cloud environment, where we run
[1:35:56] 
[1:35:56] and host these applications,
[1:35:57] most of the stuff that our
[1:35:58] department is using, we're
[1:36:00] providing the front line suppo
[1:36:01] rt
[1:36:01] and the back end infrastructure
[1:36:03] 
[1:36:03] support of it.
[1:36:03] our goals with having that man
[1:36:08] y
[1:36:08] mobile devices is to try to
[1:36:11] replace them every four years.
[1:36:12] 
[1:36:12] this helps ensure that we have
[1:36:13] 
[1:36:14] the latest technology in front
[1:36:15] 
[1:36:15] of them, and they also have the
[1:36:18] 
[1:36:18] most recent can communications
[1:36:19] 
[1:36:19] and good battery life, since
[1:36:20] they're going to be in the fie
[1:36:22] ld
[1:36:22] all day.
[1:36:22] we try to make the most use of
[1:36:24] 
[1:36:24] our technology assets, we
[1:36:26] promote the use of technology,
[1:36:27] 
[1:36:28] try to find efficiencies,
[1:36:30] anything to help the departmen
[1:36:31] t
[1:36:32] reach their goals, and we
[1:36:33] provide the front line support
[1:36:36] 
[1:36:36] for all of our staff, anything
[1:36:37] 
[1:36:37] that doesn't get covered by
[1:36:39] gru I.t. Is what falls back to
[1:36:42] 
[1:36:42] us, most of that is department
[1:36:46] 
[1:36:46] specific things are specialized
[1:36:48] 
[1:36:48] that only public works would be
[1:36:49] 
[1:36:49] utilizing.
[1:36:49] and our performance indicators
[1:36:54] ,
[1:36:54] we try to keep our systems
[1:36:57] available.
[1:36:57] 99.9% up time.
[1:36:59] that leads to less than 45
[1:37:02] minutes of downtown every month
[1:37:05] 
[1:37:05] for these systems.
[1:37:06] as we refresh the mobile phone
[1:37:08] s
[1:37:08] with the volume we have,s 25% o
[1:37:10] f
[1:37:10] them each year, that equates t
[1:37:12] o
[1:37:12] about 6 devices every month tha
[1:37:14] t
[1:37:14] we swap out.
[1:37:15] and we try to pride ourselves o
[1:37:18] n
[1:37:18] resolving all of these issues
[1:37:20] 
[1:37:20] the first time that staff
[1:37:21] reaches out to us, we want to
[1:37:22] 
[1:37:22] make sure that they can complete
[1:37:25] 
[1:37:25] whatever task they needed, and
[1:37:26] 
[1:37:27] not have to defer it or circle
[1:37:31] 
[1:37:31] back around.
[1:37:32] our success in trying to make
[1:37:34] 
[1:37:34] sure that our staff can do the
[1:37:36] ir
[1:37:36] duties is what helps lead to th
[1:37:38] e
[1:37:38] kpi's for the rest of the
[1:37:42] department.
[1:37:42] and that is all I have.
[1:37:44] >> mayor: very good.
[1:37:47] hold on a second.
[1:37:47] commissioner willits?
[1:37:49] >> a question about how your
[1:37:51] team interacts or fitz into the
[1:37:55] 
[1:37:59] burgeoning department under
[1:38:00] director nagy.
[1:38:01] I know lots of different
[1:38:04] departments operate technology.
[1:38:05] 
[1:38:05] a little insight on how that's
[1:38:07] 
[1:38:07] been working or what our plans
[1:38:08] 
[1:38:08] for the future?
[1:38:09] >> we've been sharing some of
[1:38:11] 
[1:38:11] the efforts that we do within
[1:38:13] 
[1:38:13] the department, a couple things
[1:38:15] 
[1:38:15] like the enterprise wide
[1:38:18] software before the department
[1:38:18] 
[1:38:19] existed.
[1:38:19] there wasn't anyone else to
[1:38:21] maintain and carry it forward.
[1:38:22] 
[1:38:22] we've been holding the torch f
[1:38:24] or
[1:38:24] a couple of the enterprise
[1:38:26] contracts.
[1:38:26] hoping to eventually be able t
[1:38:28] o
[1:38:28] turn them over to them, once
[1:38:30] they start picking up on that we
[1:38:34] 
[1:38:34] don't overlap with what gru I.
[1:38:39] t.
[1:38:39] does, it may not be on the
[1:38:42] horizon for that group yet,
[1:38:43] until they take over all of
[1:38:45] those duties.
[1:38:45] >> that is kind of where I was
[1:38:47] 
[1:38:47] getting at.
[1:38:48] the gru things, very clearly w
[1:38:51] e
[1:38:51] think a plan or it's the scope
[1:38:54] 
[1:38:54] of director nagy, the nongri, I
[1:38:58] 
[1:38:58] was a little less aware of wha
[1:39:00] t
[1:39:00] our plans are for the non-gru
[1:39:03] 
[1:39:03] items, you've been holding dow
[1:39:04] n
[1:39:05] our other departments where
[1:39:06] there's some opportunities,
[1:39:07] perhaps where it's easier or
[1:39:08] more efficient to house them
[1:39:10] under the I. Dd. Department, a
[1:39:13] n
[1:39:14] enterprise software that needs
[1:39:15] 
[1:39:15] to be maintained there, because
[1:39:16] 
[1:39:16] he this can be the expert on
[1:39:19] maintaining, we can do the work
[1:39:19] 
[1:39:19] we need to do.
[1:39:20] >> thank you.
[1:39:23] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:39:26] welcome back.
[1:39:26] >> thank you, we're on to the
[1:39:28] 
[1:39:28] last division of our team, the
[1:39:31] 
[1:39:31] administrative team division.
[1:39:33] I think of steve's team and the
[1:39:35] 
[1:39:36] demonstrative team as being the
[1:39:40] 
[1:39:40] glue that holds us all together.
[1:39:41] 
[1:39:41] the administrative team is led
[1:39:43] 
[1:39:44] by abeesag walken booth.
[1:39:45] she has 18 fte's, they're
[1:39:50] helping us with budget prep for
[1:39:53] the
[1:39:53] the
[1:40:00] grant coordinator coming in
[1:40:01] soon, I hope, crossing our
[1:40:05] fingers.
[1:40:05] grants can be challenging to
[1:40:07] make sure you check all the --
[1:40:09] all the -- cross all the
[1:40:11] t's, so -- and then they help
[1:40:15] 
[1:40:15] out with the supply chain.
[1:40:16] they oversee one of the
[1:40:19] warehouse staff helps us with
[1:40:21] 
[1:40:21] that, and then solid waste
[1:40:23] customer service, which gets a
[1:40:24] 
[1:40:24] huge amount of calls.
[1:40:24] their key performance
[1:40:32] indicator -- I should have take
[1:40:33] n
[1:40:33] a drink of water before I came
[1:40:34] 
[1:40:34] back up.
[1:40:35] for them, largely, we're looking
[1:40:37] 
[1:40:37] at a large number of
[1:40:38] acquisitions that get processe
[1:40:40] d,
[1:40:40] purchase orders, around 600 per
[1:40:42] 
[1:40:43] year.
[1:40:43] last year was a little low, but
[1:40:45] 
[1:40:46] we're already up for the
[1:40:46] quarter, you can see we're
[1:40:48] around 300 for both requisition
[1:40:51] s
[1:40:51] requested, and the purchase
[1:40:53] orders generated.
[1:40:55] they do a variety of finance
[1:40:57] reports for us, and then proce
[1:40:59] ss
[1:40:59] thousands of invoices every
[1:41:04] year.
[1:41:04] and then jared and I are going
[1:41:06] 
[1:41:06] to move on to -- just some of
[1:41:08] 
[1:41:08] our emergency response
[1:41:10] activities, I'll let jared --
[1:41:12] 
[1:41:12] he's going to start first.
[1:41:15] >> thank you.
[1:41:16] hello again, I want to
[1:41:18] apologize, I forgot to mention
[1:41:20] 
[1:41:20] one of our key strategic goals
[1:41:22] 
[1:41:22] for the land ranking.
[1:41:23] we're working on.
[1:41:24] we've been in collaboration wit
[1:41:26] h
[1:41:26] prca.
[1:41:26] we come to what we feel is a
[1:41:32] good place for ranking land for
[1:41:33] 
[1:41:33] purchase.
[1:41:33] and we will be bringing that t
[1:41:36] o
[1:41:36] you for discussion and hopefull
[1:41:37] y
[1:41:37] approval.
[1:41:37] >> mayor: very good.
[1:41:39] >> on may 7th.
[1:41:41] police, fire and public works
[1:41:48] 
[1:41:48] are all first responders.
[1:41:53] so what kind of kicks off the
[1:41:58] 
[1:41:58] operations -- kind of kicks off
[1:42:00] 
[1:42:00] the operations, emergency
[1:42:02] response here, in the may time
[1:42:03] 
[1:42:03] frame, will start doing
[1:42:05] preparations where we test out
[1:42:07] 
[1:42:07] our equipment by making 10,000
[1:42:09] 
[1:42:09] sandbags, and we make 10,000
[1:42:12] sandbags, we store them so tha
[1:42:14] t
[1:42:14] if we do get a declaration of a
[1:42:16] n
[1:42:16] emergency, we're not starting
[1:42:18] 
[1:42:18] from 0, because when those car
[1:42:20] s
[1:42:20] start lining up, if you're
[1:42:22] starting from 0, you're never
[1:42:24] 
[1:42:24] ever ever going to give
[1:42:25] everybody a sandbag.
[1:42:26] that's what you see here on the
[1:42:27] 
[1:42:29] left, early preparations on th
[1:42:32] e
[1:42:32] far right.
[1:42:32] those cars are coming through,
[1:42:34] 
[1:42:34] we're able to go ahead and sta
[1:42:35] rt
[1:42:35] handing out those bags.
[1:42:37] this is also the handsout phas
[1:42:39] e,
[1:42:39] but with the addition of the ml
[1:42:43] k
[1:42:43] property where we have the
[1:42:46] self-serve and we have our ski
[1:42:48] d
[1:42:48] steer on site, make bags as
[1:42:49] well.
[1:42:49] so people, if they don't feel
[1:42:51] 
[1:42:51] like waiting, they can go ahead
[1:42:53] 
[1:42:53] and fill their sandbags and we
[1:42:55] 
[1:42:55] have folks on site to assist.
[1:42:56] storm rolls through, winds die
[1:43:05] 
[1:43:05] down, this is the norm.
[1:43:05] you have a roadblock with the
[1:43:08] 
[1:43:08] tree in the middle of it, what
[1:43:09] 
[1:43:09] you can't see, there's power
[1:43:11] lines all through that.
[1:43:12] we have to wait for gru to giv
[1:43:14] e
[1:43:15] us the all clear, and our tree
[1:43:17] 
[1:43:17] crew strike teams will move n
[1:43:19] 
[1:43:19] take that out of the roadway, s
[1:43:21] o
[1:43:21] people can traverse the featur
[1:43:25] e.
[1:43:25] the top right picture is one
[1:43:27] that took out a light pole.
[1:43:29] >> we had to wait under the
[1:43:42] daytime comes n we have to wai
[1:43:44] t
[1:43:45] for gru to clear it.
[1:43:47] our nighttime crews will go out
[1:43:49] 
[1:43:49] to a tree downcall.
[1:43:54] if there's no wires in it, the
[1:43:55] y
[1:43:55] will cut it, push it out of th
[1:43:57] e
[1:43:57] roadway and leave.
[1:43:58] they have to get to another
[1:44:01] call.
[1:44:01] our alpha team or daytime team
[1:44:03] 
[1:44:04] will come in and collect the
[1:44:05] tree debris they left on the
[1:44:08] side of the road, and move on t
[1:44:11] o
[1:44:11] the next location.
[1:44:15] this is one where a tree fell o
[1:44:16] n
[1:44:16] to a car.
[1:44:17] we had to get the tree off the
[1:44:19] 
[1:44:20] car and out of the roadway, so
[1:44:22] 
[1:44:22] traffic could continue to flow
[1:44:23] 
[1:44:23] on that road.
[1:44:23] >> another part of our emergency
[1:44:31] 
[1:44:31] response investigation is the
[1:44:35] 
[1:44:35] flood investigation team.
[1:44:36] as I mentioned earlier, we hav
[1:44:38] e
[1:44:38] several creeks in the city, what
[1:44:39] 
[1:44:39] we do, as they rise, we will
[1:44:42] send teams out to do what we
[1:44:44] call measure downs.
[1:44:47] we can later use that data to
[1:44:54] terpret what storm did we
[1:44:55] have.
[1:44:55] is there something different w
[1:44:57] e
[1:44:57] should be looking at in terms o
[1:44:59] f
[1:44:59] storm water measures.
[1:45:01] so very big effort from that
[1:45:05] team.
[1:45:05] I want to mention to the
[1:45:09] administration efforts, as wit
[1:45:10] h
[1:45:10] any storm event there's a lot o
[1:45:12] f
[1:45:12] paperwork so we can be
[1:45:14] reimbursed by fema.
[1:45:16] it's a huge effort to track all
[1:45:22] 
[1:45:24] the 211s that we make during th
[1:45:26] e
[1:45:26] event.
[1:45:26] it's a big administrative
[1:45:28] effort, and they do a great job
[1:45:31] 
[1:45:31] with that.
[1:45:31] the last thing we wanted to
[1:45:34] mention, our special events, w
[1:45:36] e
[1:45:36] have a lot of special events we
[1:45:38] 
[1:45:38] part in.
[1:45:40] we're currently working on
[1:45:45] something with uaa and uaf for
[1:45:48] 
[1:45:48] live event assistance.
[1:45:49] that may be coming through
[1:45:54] pretty soon.
[1:45:55] the parade efforts are very coo
[1:46:02] l
[1:46:02] to see.
[1:46:03] and motifs, I can't forget the
[1:46:05] 
[1:46:05] guys that set it up at the
[1:46:06] beginning.
[1:46:06] it's really interesting to lea
[1:46:11] rn
[1:46:11] about some of the groups or the
[1:46:15] 
[1:46:16] people that get named for the
[1:46:18] 
[1:46:18] street naming.
[1:46:18] that's been a super fun part o
[1:46:23] f
[1:46:23] the experience of public works.
[1:46:24] 
[1:46:24] and that is the end.
[1:46:26] I would like to give a special
[1:46:28] 
[1:46:28] thank you for the leadership
[1:46:30] team that support me, they are
[1:46:32] a
[1:46:32] fabulous group as you just
[1:46:34] heard.
[1:46:34] there's a lot going onon any
[1:46:37] given day withteam,
[1:46:40] they're always up for the
[1:46:40] challenge, looking to make
[1:46:41] things better in the city.
[1:46:41] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:46:42] >> I have several slides, the
[1:46:53] 
[1:46:53] budget for tree mitigation,
[1:46:54] that's something, that's just
[1:46:55] 
[1:46:55] the full amount of the fund, a
[1:46:57] nd
[1:46:57] every year we roll it over as w
[1:47:00] e
[1:47:00] don't spend, correct?
[1:47:02] or is that what we're spending
[1:47:06] 
[1:47:06] in fy '26?
[1:47:10] >> I'm not sure how to get to I
[1:47:13] t
[1:47:13] quickly.
[1:47:13] >> a budget number of 16
[1:47:17] million?
[1:47:17] >> 6.3 is what it said under
[1:47:20] premitigation.
[1:47:20] it said fund at the top, so I
[1:47:24] 
[1:47:24] imagine it's the whole fund.
[1:47:25] >> I pulled that straight off
[1:47:32] 
[1:47:32] the adopted budget number
[1:47:37] current fund total is higher
[1:47:38] than the -- what is that current
[1:47:40] 
[1:47:40] total, 15, 16?
[1:47:44] >> it's going to be, I would
[1:47:45] have to double check, it would
[1:47:46] 
[1:47:46] have to be over 12 at this
[1:47:48] point, I would have to double
[1:47:51] 
[1:47:51] check.
[1:47:51] >> is that what we're planning
[1:47:53] 
[1:47:55] to --
[1:47:56] >> budget expenditure for this
[1:47:58] 
[1:47:58] fiscal year, I believe fund
[1:48:00] balance at the end of last
[1:48:03] fiscal year was in the 15 dolla
[1:48:06] r
[1:48:06] range.
[1:48:06] >> it's a big number, I was
[1:48:09] remembering a bigger number, I
[1:48:10] 
[1:48:10] was trying to remember if
[1:48:11] that -- if we don't close on a
[1:48:13] 
[1:48:13] property, we didn't manage it,
[1:48:15] 
[1:48:16] rollover to the next year,
[1:48:17] hopefully, that's just one
[1:48:19] where -- I just wanted to have
[1:48:21] 
[1:48:21] the understanding.
[1:48:21] thank you.
[1:48:22] and then a deeper question abo
[1:48:26] ut
[1:48:26] under facilities manager, they
[1:48:27] 
[1:48:28] talked about custodial, we had
[1:48:29] 
[1:48:30] the conversation last week,
[1:48:32] about who cleans what
[1:48:33] facilities, and because the --
[1:48:34] 
[1:48:35] one of the potential bills for
[1:48:37] 
[1:48:38] property tax amendment propose
[1:48:41] d
[1:48:44] wouldn't let us -- first
[1:48:47] responders or police -- is that
[1:48:48] 
[1:48:49] something where even custodial
[1:48:50] 
[1:48:50] service should come back under
[1:48:52] 
[1:48:52] public works?
[1:48:54] because then we have more
[1:48:57] flexibility -- if it's at all
[1:48:59] 
[1:48:59] being paid for under fire.
[1:49:01] an amendment says you can't
[1:49:03] touch fire's budget, well, you
[1:49:05] 
[1:49:05] know, and I don't know what the
[1:49:07] 
[1:49:08] full amendment will envision,
[1:49:09] 
[1:49:09] but just that kind of looking
[1:49:13] 
[1:49:13] ahead like do we need to plan
[1:49:15] 
[1:49:15] now to have flexibility, becau
[1:49:17] se
[1:49:17] the voters may pass something
[1:49:18] 
[1:49:18] that is quite restrictive in o
[1:49:22] ur
[1:49:22] ability to build the budget.>>
[1:49:25] we're still reviewing the
[1:49:26] bills, the way I read them,
[1:49:30] there's --
[1:49:30] [ inaudible ]
[1:49:31] firefighter in accordance with
[1:49:32] 
[1:49:32] the definition of state statut
[1:49:34] e.
[1:49:34] emt in coordination with the
[1:49:37] state statute.
[1:49:38] my initial read of it is, no,
[1:49:40] 
[1:49:40] these employees would not fall
[1:49:41] 
[1:49:41] under those definitions.
[1:49:41] >> thank you.
[1:49:42] >> good job on in house for
[1:49:48] roadway, and storm water
[1:49:50] projects engineering, it's goo
[1:49:51] d
[1:49:51] to have capacity within the
[1:49:53] city, that's great to hear.
[1:49:55] and then technology.
[1:49:56] and then on page 68 there's som
[1:49:59] e
[1:49:59] budget numbers for, I think, fy
[1:50:02] 
[1:50:02] '24 that ended in 0, numbers
[1:50:05] that end in 0 aren't real.
[1:50:06] I will follow up on that
[1:50:09] privately.
[1:50:09] >> mayor: thank you so much.
[1:50:11] commissioner chestnut?
[1:50:14] >> I want to compliment you and
[1:50:16] 
[1:50:16] your staff on the excellent and
[1:50:17] 
[1:50:18] efficient job you do, in
[1:50:18] delivering service.
[1:50:20] you are a very good face for t
[1:50:22] he
[1:50:22] city, very friendly face, your
[1:50:26] 
[1:50:26] sidewalk people, your streets
[1:50:27] 
[1:50:27] people are out there, and peopl
[1:50:29] e
[1:50:29] really appreciate the work tha
[1:50:30] t
[1:50:30] is done.
[1:50:30] and I can't believe 76 request
[1:50:35] s
[1:50:37] per day.
[1:50:37] that's a lot.
[1:50:37] so thank you.
[1:50:38] thank you for your service.
[1:50:39] >> thank you.
[1:50:39] >> mayor: commissioner chestnut,
[1:50:43] 
[1:50:43] commissioner duncan walker?
[1:50:45] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:50:46] and thank you, miss mowry and
[1:50:49] 
[1:50:49] staff for really good and
[1:50:50] informative presentation.
[1:50:52] I want to start off with a
[1:50:57] compliment.
[1:50:57] a group from public works was
[1:51:01] 
[1:51:01] traveling down a particular roa
[1:51:06] d
[1:51:06] where my mother engaged with
[1:51:07] them.
[1:51:07] she shared this with me.
[1:51:10] she had a wonderful experience
[1:51:12] 
[1:51:16] with the tree crew I want to
[1:51:17] shout them out and say what a
[1:51:19] 
[1:51:19] great service they provided.
[1:51:20] tree limbs were over into a
[1:51:22] particular yard.
[1:51:25] and that's not what they were
[1:51:27] 
[1:51:27] out there to do.
[1:51:27] but they responded in the mom
[1:51:30] to the neighbors, and took car
[1:51:34] e
[1:51:34] of some tree limbs and some
[1:51:36] debris that had fallen into
[1:51:37] neighboring yards, thank you
[1:51:39] very much for a responsive,
[1:51:41] professional and kind team.
[1:51:42] thank you.
[1:51:42] I have maybe two questions, I
[1:51:44] 
[1:51:44] believe.
[1:51:44] back to page 7 where your slide
[1:51:53] 
[1:51:53] is with regards to the budget.
[1:51:57] 
[1:51:57] I believe there was a number o
[1:52:00] f
[1:52:00] $2 million that's allotted for
[1:52:02] 
[1:52:03] resurfacing.
[1:52:03] and my question is just this, I
[1:52:05] 
[1:52:06] know we do the resurfacing out
[1:52:08] 
[1:52:08] at the gas tax as well.
[1:52:09] that number is different from
[1:52:11] 
[1:52:11] this.
[1:52:11] these are two separate pots of
[1:52:15] 
[1:52:15] money we chose, where we do our
[1:52:16] 
[1:52:17] resurfacing from?
[1:52:17] >> yes, we have a pavement
[1:52:21] preservation program, every
[1:52:22] year, the plan is for us to --
[1:52:24] 
[1:52:24] on newer roads.
[1:52:24] we'll use rejuvenator product.
[1:52:31] 
[1:52:31] that helps extend the life of
[1:52:35] 
[1:52:35] that newer section of road.
[1:52:35] we'll look at other roads,
[1:52:37] that's where he mentioned the
[1:52:39] 
[1:52:39] dot software, which we're now
[1:52:42] 
[1:52:42] using, it will predict out wha
[1:52:44] t
[1:52:44] we need to do in terms of road
[1:52:48] 
[1:52:48] maintenance.
[1:52:48] which roads do we need to look
[1:52:52] 
[1:52:53] at --
[1:52:53] [ inaudible ]
[1:52:53] and we set aside a certain
[1:52:56] amount of money for that, which
[1:52:57] 
[1:52:58] will involve some sort of
[1:52:59] repaving, and we also have par
[1:53:01] t
[1:53:01] of that 2 million, we'll have
[1:53:04] 
[1:53:04] associated concrete work,
[1:53:05] whether it's curb or ada ramp
[1:53:06] 
[1:53:06] maybe.
[1:53:06] >> yes, that's correct, exactly
[1:53:16] 
[1:53:16] what we were saying.
[1:53:16] the $2 million here for roadway
[1:53:19] 
[1:53:19] resurfacing, is a transfer fro
[1:53:21] m
[1:53:21] solid waste for damage done by
[1:53:26] 
[1:53:26] the trash trucks.
[1:53:26] this comes from the solid waste
[1:53:28] 
[1:53:28] and transfers to the roadways.
[1:53:32] 
[1:53:32] >> thank you very much for that
[1:53:35] .
[1:53:35] this software that we have, am
[1:53:36] I
[1:53:36] hearing that the software is
[1:53:38] doing the prioritization of th
[1:53:40] e
[1:53:41] streets?
[1:53:41] or how are we prioritizing?
[1:53:43] >> yes, so we -- basically, the
[1:53:46] 
[1:53:46] first cut at it, our pavement
[1:53:49] 
[1:53:49] condition index.
[1:53:49] the pci, what's the rating of
[1:53:52] 
[1:53:52] the road.
[1:53:52] we also have the sbi, the socia
[1:53:57] l
[1:53:57] vulnerability index is also put
[1:53:59] 
[1:54:00] into that scenario, so it's a -
[1:54:03] -
[1:54:03] in the end, it's 80% functional
[1:54:06] 
[1:54:06] class, and pci is factored int
[1:54:09] o
[1:54:09] that and 20% sbi to determine
[1:54:12] 
[1:54:12] what we call the krit kalety
[1:54:14] score.
[1:54:14] and then what the team will do
[1:54:17] 
[1:54:17] from there.
[1:54:18] we look at it on a map, and loo
[1:54:20] k
[1:54:20] at it in the field to assess,
[1:54:22] 
[1:54:22] and make sure that what's being
[1:54:24] 
[1:54:25] predicted by the program is wha
[1:54:26] t
[1:54:26] we should be doing, and so
[1:54:29] generally speaking, as we use
[1:54:31] 
[1:54:31] this program multiple years in
[1:54:33] a
[1:54:33] row, it will become more
[1:54:36] predictable, we will be able to
[1:54:37] 
[1:54:37] better set or just, where we s
[1:54:39] ee
[1:54:39] there may be an error in the
[1:54:42] program.
[1:54:42] it's brand program for us, and
[1:54:43] 
[1:54:44] we're still working out some o
[1:54:45] f
[1:54:45] the bugs.
[1:54:45] that is the plan.
[1:54:48] >> is it safe for me or this
[1:54:50] commission to assume that -- I
[1:54:51] 
[1:54:51] mean, obviously, your
[1:54:53] professional expertise will
[1:54:55] override any glitches that you
[1:54:56] 
[1:54:56] see in the system.
[1:54:57] because I mean, I -- software I
[1:54:59] s
[1:54:59] wonderful and it's helpful, but
[1:55:01] 
[1:55:01] there is nothing in my mind tha
[1:55:05] t
[1:55:05] can substitute for a human eye
[1:55:08] 
[1:55:08] on a lot of these situations
[1:55:12] that hear from community et
[1:55:13] cetera.
[1:55:13] you all will be making final
[1:55:15] decisions, and especially since
[1:55:16] 
[1:55:16] this is new, we will be relying
[1:55:19] 
[1:55:19] on you now?
[1:55:19] >> what will be relying on me
[1:55:22] 
[1:55:22] now?
[1:55:22] >> in other words, you're not
[1:55:23] 
[1:55:23] solely relying on the software
[1:55:25] .
[1:55:25] you're going to be making these
[1:55:26] 
[1:55:26] egs doeses as human beings
[1:55:28] first?
[1:55:28] >> that is correct.
[1:55:29] we will definitely be taking
[1:55:32] what the software gives us, and
[1:55:33] 
[1:55:33] then, does that make sense, and
[1:55:35] 
[1:55:36] ground truth.
[1:55:36] and also look at mapping?
[1:55:39] where are the numbers hitting,
[1:55:40] 
[1:55:41] and trying to make sure we stay
[1:55:43] 
[1:55:43] distributed.
[1:55:43] but also, incorporating in the
[1:55:46] 
[1:55:46] sbi.
[1:55:46] >> thank you.
[1:55:47] >> you're welcome.
[1:55:50] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:55:53] commissioner duncan walker.
[1:55:53] madam clerk, do we have any
[1:55:56] public commeon this?
[1:55:59] >> no public comment on this.
[1:56:00] >> mayor: thank you all for wha
[1:56:01] t
[1:56:01] you do.
[1:56:02] we appreciate you spending the
[1:56:03] 
[1:56:03] time with us today.
[1:56:03] >> thank you.
[1:56:07] >> mayor: madam clerk.
[1:56:08] >> we're on to our next item,
[1:56:13] 
[1:56:13] 2026-235 request to amend budge
[1:56:19] t
[1:56:19] for office of city auditor, to
[1:56:23] 
[1:56:24] authorize the office of
[1:56:25] management and budget to amend
[1:56:26] 
[1:56:27] the city auditor's office
[1:56:28] budget.
[1:56:28] >> mayor: welcome mr. Auditor.
[1:56:31] 
[1:56:31] >> good morning, mr. Mayor,
[1:56:35] members of the city commission
[1:56:36] .
[1:56:36] I'm the city auditor.
[1:56:38] I do not have any presentation
[1:56:40] 
[1:56:41] slides, I don't intend for thi
[1:56:44] s
[1:56:44] to be long.
[1:56:45] and also, prior to this meeting,
[1:56:46] 
[1:56:46] I have held one on one decisio
[1:56:49] ns
[1:56:49] with each and every member of
[1:56:51] 
[1:56:51] the city commission and each a
[1:56:53] nd
[1:56:53] every member of the city
[1:56:55] commission knows my request.
[1:56:57] the office of the city is
[1:57:01] helping us better carry out the
[1:57:02] 
[1:57:03] office.
[1:57:03] we're asking for an amount of
[1:57:08] 
[1:57:08] $45,000 to do two things.
[1:57:10] we would like to be able to use
[1:57:11] 
[1:57:12] the services of private internal
[1:57:14] 
[1:57:14] audit consulting firms.
[1:57:15] in this process, we go out to
[1:57:20] 
[1:57:20] ask external auditors to come I
[1:57:23] n
[1:57:23] and work with us on projects n
[1:57:26] 
[1:57:26] an approach we call cost
[1:57:33] servicing.
[1:57:33] this helps us to move along in
[1:57:36] 
[1:57:37] our -- in the incorporation of
[1:57:38] 
[1:57:38] the audit plan.
[1:57:39] the other thing we'd like to be
[1:57:41] 
[1:57:41] able to do with this amendment
[1:57:43] 
[1:57:44] is to promote a member in our
[1:57:47] 
[1:57:47] office who is now a staff
[1:57:48] auditor to the position of
[1:57:51] senior internal auditor.
[1:57:53] let me pull this up for you to
[1:57:56] 
[1:57:56] see.
[1:57:56] this is the organizational cha
[1:58:03] rt
[1:58:03] of the city office.
[1:58:07] the red that you see is the
[1:58:09] senior auditor position, at thi
[1:58:11] s
[1:58:11] time it is not funded.
[1:58:13] we have it, but it's frozen.
[1:58:15] on this side -- what I'm tryin
[1:58:17] g
[1:58:17] to do is to move the staff
[1:58:21] auditor from being staff audit
[1:58:22] or
[1:58:22] from the position to the
[1:58:24] position of senior auditor.
[1:58:25] he's been with us for close to
[1:58:27] 
[1:58:27] four years now.
[1:58:32] he's a good auditor.
[1:58:34] during the time he's been with
[1:58:36] 
[1:58:36] us, he's been able to get his
[1:58:39] 
[1:58:39] auditor qualification.
[1:58:40] he's a cia internal auditor.
[1:58:42] the qualification is an
[1:58:46] international qualification.
[1:58:48] international credential.
[1:58:49] that means, wherever he goes,
[1:58:52] 
[1:58:52] he's recognized as a competent
[1:58:53] 
[1:58:54] auditor.
[1:58:54] I would like to ask you to
[1:58:58] unfreeze the senior auditor
[1:59:00] position, to enable me to move
[1:59:05] 
[1:59:06] the stuff into that, I would a
[1:59:10] sk
[1:59:10] you to freeze the staff auditor
[1:59:13] 
[1:59:13] position that we continue to
[1:59:15] have.
[1:59:15] one that is not funded but
[1:59:17] available to us at any time.
[1:59:18] I would like to mention, again,
[1:59:25] 
[1:59:25] I mention that we're asking for
[1:59:27] 
[1:59:29] $45,000.
[1:59:29] this year, fiscal fy '26, my
[1:59:36] office absorbed a 6% reduction
[1:59:39] 
[1:59:39] in its budget.
[1:59:40] if you approve this request I'm
[1:59:44] 
[1:59:45] making now, my office will sti
[1:59:49] ll
[1:59:49] have absorbed 11.6% in the
[1:59:54] reduction of budget from last
[1:59:56] 
[1:59:56] year, so we are still in
[2:00:01] difficult budgetary times.
[2:00:02] but still, 45,000 does does not
[2:00:06] 
[2:00:06] mean all of a sudden, we're not
[2:00:08] 
[2:00:12] contributing to trying to
[2:00:13] ameliorate the problems we're
[2:00:14] 
[2:00:14] having in our city budgets.
[2:00:16] that is the position we am be,
[2:00:17] 
[2:00:18] if you approve this
[2:00:23] recommendation.
[2:00:23] in the document o taking that I
[2:00:24] 
[2:00:24] have, you will find all of this
[2:00:26] ,
[2:00:26] you will find a little bit of
[2:00:31] 
[2:00:31] some numbers that we have
[2:00:35] alongside our budget office, t
[2:00:36] o
[2:00:37] show you how much will go towar
[2:00:39] d
[2:00:39] funding the senior auditor
[2:00:41] position if it happens.
[2:00:42] you will also find that I
[2:00:46] provided some descriptions of
[2:00:48] 
[2:00:48] the jobs of senior auditor.
[2:00:52] staff auditor.
[2:00:53] you have it with you, other tha
[2:01:01] n
[2:01:01] that.
[2:01:01] unless you have any questions,
[2:01:03] I
[2:01:04] would like to ask for you to
[2:01:06] approve my request.
[2:01:07] >> mayor okay, any questions o
[2:01:08] r
[2:01:08] a motion or anything?
[2:01:13] commissioner eastman?
[2:01:14] >> yes, thank you.
[2:01:16] it seems to me like we -- that
[2:01:20] 
[2:01:20] this is -- as you said, you've
[2:01:22] 
[2:01:22] split this up into two, right?
[2:01:23] 
[2:01:23] one of which is about fte's and
[2:01:26] 
[2:01:26] how you would like to structure
[2:01:28] 
[2:01:28] your fte's internally, which I
[2:01:30] 
[2:01:31] think is a conversation that -
[2:01:33] -
[2:01:34] we froze about 30 positions las
[2:01:35] t
[2:01:35] time.
[2:01:35] do we want to continue to have
[2:01:38] 
[2:01:38] those frozen, do we eliminate
[2:01:40] 
[2:01:40] these positions, how do we rig
[2:01:43] ht
[2:01:43] size departments.
[2:01:43] having a stock of frozen
[2:01:45] positions that are held year
[2:01:46] over year, doesn't make a lot o
[2:01:48] f
[2:01:48] sense, and it would make sense
[2:01:49] 
[2:01:50] in the budget cycle to look at
[2:01:52] ,
[2:01:52] what positions do we want
[2:01:55] going-forward.
[2:01:55] because we're looking at a
[2:01:58] budget gap, does it make sense.
[2:01:59] 
[2:01:59] setting that to the side, the
[2:02:01] 
[2:02:01] other one is the expansion of
[2:02:04] 
[2:02:04] the auditor's ability to do mor
[2:02:06] e
[2:02:06] of the audits, I'll say that -
[2:02:08] -
[2:02:09] you have a very aggressive aud
[2:02:11] it
[2:02:11] plan that you guys were looking
[2:02:13] 
[2:02:13] at in increasing the
[2:02:14] >> that is correct.
[2:02:19] we have 10 audit topics on the
[2:02:20] 
[2:02:20] awed it the plan.
[2:02:21] this time the mayor already
[2:02:23] mentioned the fact that we have
[2:02:24] 
[2:02:24] some items on the consent
[2:02:26] agenda.
[2:02:26] two of these items are audits
[2:02:28] 
[2:02:28] that we completed.
[2:02:28] >> right.
[2:02:29] 
[2:02:29] >> we are currently working on
[2:02:34] 
[2:02:34] two audits that we hope to
[2:02:36] complete by june in the next
[2:02:38] audit committee meeting.
[2:02:38] we would like to do more.
[2:02:40] we have an internal performance
[2:02:42] 
[2:02:43] metric of 85% completion of our
[2:02:45] 
[2:02:47] audit plan.
[2:02:47] that is very aggressive.
[2:02:50] we might not be able to hit
[2:02:52] that, but we want to be able to
[2:02:54] 
[2:02:54] move towards it.
[2:02:54] there are certain performance
[2:03:00] 
[2:03:00] levels that cause people to
[2:03:03] wonder what's going on.
[2:03:04] I'll just put it that way.
[2:03:08] if you, say, complete only 50%
[2:03:10] 
[2:03:11] of your audit plan, this is jus
[2:03:13] t
[2:03:13] a number I'm just throwing,
[2:03:16] compared to, say, 80% of the
[2:03:19] audit plan, people might begin
[2:03:20] 
[2:03:20] to think -- and by people, I
[2:03:22] mean industry experts, people
[2:03:24] 
[2:03:24] might think, there has to be
[2:03:25] some reason why this is the
[2:03:26] case.
[2:03:26] when they do that and whethey
[2:03:30] 
[2:03:30] have those thoughts, when tito
[2:03:30] be audited like
[2:03:32] we are here, late last year, w
[2:03:35] e
[2:03:35] begin to look into that to fin
[2:03:37] d
[2:03:37] out exactly why that is the
[2:03:38] case.
[2:03:38] and we don't want that to
[2:03:40] happen.
[2:03:40] that is why we want to move as
[2:03:42] 
[2:03:43] aggressively as we can, as muc
[2:03:43] h
[2:03:44] as we can.
[2:03:44] >> why does a gap between what
[2:03:46] 
[2:03:46] we had our audit plan versus
[2:03:49] what we were able to accomplis
[2:03:50] h
[2:03:50] in the audit plan?
[2:03:51] is that what you are saying?
[2:03:52] >> that is right.
[2:03:53] when auditors come, one of the
[2:03:54] 
[2:03:54] things they look at is they loo
[2:03:55] k
[2:03:55] at the audit plan, and they loo
[2:03:57] k
[2:03:57] at what you have accomplished.
[2:03:58] 
[2:03:58] they want to know if you are t
[2:04:02] oo
[2:04:02] far away from completing your
[2:04:04] 
[2:04:04] audit plan, they don't expect
[2:04:06] 
[2:04:06] that you complete it.
[2:04:07] it's not easy, but they expect
[2:04:10] 
[2:04:10] that you heed a benchmark is
[2:04:12] 85%.
[2:04:12] so if you are far from that 85%,
[2:04:17] 
[2:04:17] you might begin to wonder, why
[2:04:19] 
[2:04:19] is that the case?
[2:04:20] and then we don't want to be I
[2:04:22] n
[2:04:22] such position.
[2:04:22] >> right, right.
[2:04:24] and so I'll just say, I mean -
[2:04:26] -
[2:04:27] so we had a reduction overall I
[2:04:30] n
[2:04:30] the administrative oversight o
[2:04:31] f
[2:04:32] multiple departments within the
[2:04:32] 
[2:04:33] city, right?
[2:04:34] because gainesville utilities
[2:04:36] 
[2:04:36] moved out from under there.
[2:04:36] so a number of departments wer
[2:04:39] e
[2:04:39] reduced at that time.
[2:04:40] we now, I would say that gener
[2:04:43] al
[2:04:43] government is probably being
[2:04:45] audited more so than it had in
[2:04:46] 
[2:04:46] the past because it is about 1
[2:04:47] /3
[2:04:47] of your overall auditing was a
[2:04:50] t
[2:04:50] the g.r.u. Side.
[2:04:51] and then there was a reduction
[2:04:52] 
[2:04:53] in overall, but there's still,
[2:04:54] 
[2:04:54] you know, a significant amount
[2:04:55] 
[2:04:55] of resources going over the
[2:04:57] general government.
[2:04:57] I guess my point is, as of
[2:04:59] yesterday we were six months
[2:05:00] into our overall budget.
[2:05:01] october 1 was when the budget
[2:05:03] 
[2:05:03] started.
[2:05:03] april 1 is our six-month time.
[2:05:07] 
[2:05:07] and I could consider freezing
[2:05:12] 
[2:05:12] the one position, unfreezing
[2:05:14] that position, which would put
[2:05:15] 
[2:05:16] -- it's 11,000 for the rest of
[2:05:17] 
[2:05:17] the year.
[2:05:17] it's 22,000 going forward, plus
[2:05:20] ,
[2:05:20] I'd imagine, some amount of
[2:05:23] increase that would come from
[2:05:24] 
[2:05:24] cost of living.
[2:05:25] but I think all of our
[2:05:27] departments across the board w
[2:05:28] e
[2:05:28] have froze a number of
[2:05:29] departments and eliminated --
[2:05:30] 
[2:05:30] frozen a lot of positions.
[2:05:31] I think everyone, we need to
[2:05:33] really hold the line on trying
[2:05:34] 
[2:05:34] to say the level of service and
[2:05:35] 
[2:05:35] what we have agreed to is what
[2:05:37] 
[2:05:37] we're going to accomplish withi
[2:05:38] n
[2:05:38] the budget is what we're
[2:05:40] agreeing to, and roll the rest
[2:05:41] 
[2:05:41] of that over into the next
[2:05:42] budget year.
[2:05:43] and so those are my thoughts,
[2:05:45] 
[2:05:45] mr. Mayor.
[2:05:46] >> mayor: thank you.
[2:05:46] commissioner eastman.
[2:05:47] and commissioner book.
[2:05:48] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:05:50] just a few questions.
[2:05:52] do you know, what was the
[2:05:54] position levelling that we have
[2:05:56] 
[2:05:56] this in some previous documents
[2:05:57] 
[2:05:57] of the auditor's office pre-gr
[2:05:59] u
[2:06:00] split?
[2:06:00] how many positions was that?
[2:06:02] >> so it would be 2022 and back
[2:06:05] .
[2:06:05] >> I believe it was seven.
[2:06:08] I might be wrong.
[2:06:08] maybe six.
[2:06:10] but it was maybe an intention t
[2:06:12] o
[2:06:12] have a seventh.
[2:06:12] >> I see.
[2:06:15] I see.
[2:06:16] I see your staff nodding their
[2:06:17] 
[2:06:17] head.
[2:06:17] that is really important becau
[2:06:19] se
[2:06:19] what commissioner eastman is
[2:06:20] talking about is when you move
[2:06:21] 
[2:06:21] different pieces away from a
[2:06:23] city, we should have appropria
[2:06:23] te
[2:06:23] reductions to deal with the --
[2:06:27] 
[2:06:27] but that was already done in th
[2:06:28] e
[2:06:28] auditor's office.
[2:06:28] and as it relates to the total
[2:06:30] 
[2:06:31] figure, we're talking about
[2:06:33] $45,000 across these two
[2:06:34] different aspects.
[2:06:35] one is for services and one is
[2:06:37] a
[2:06:38] percentage of a year for a
[2:06:40] position upgrade is what I loo
[2:06:42] k
[2:06:43] at.
[2:06:43] is that -- has that, the piece
[2:06:45] 
[2:06:45] related to the position, been
[2:06:47] 
[2:06:47] run through h.r.?
[2:06:47] because you have already kind o
[2:06:48] f
[2:06:48] focused on a specific process
[2:06:50] 
[2:06:50] and upgrading a position.
[2:06:52] just want to make sure, as
[2:06:54] always, are we following the
[2:06:55] process there?
[2:06:55] and what is h.r.'s thoughts
[2:06:58] about that?
[2:06:58] >> yeah, and before we can sta
[2:07:01] rt
[2:07:01] with all this, I consulted wit
[2:07:03] h
[2:07:03] the h.r. Director.
[2:07:04] I also consulted with the budge
[2:07:06] t
[2:07:06] office, and we made sure that w
[2:07:08] e
[2:07:08] followed the proper process.
[2:07:11] and the process we are following
[2:07:13] 
[2:07:13] is within policy.
[2:07:15] >> and so if this were to move
[2:07:18] 
[2:07:18] forward, there would be no iss
[2:07:20] ue
[2:07:20] with pre-identifying a person
[2:07:22] 
[2:07:22] who was in a position that bas
[2:07:23] ed
[2:07:23] on their skills and abilities
[2:07:26] 
[2:07:26] and probably the job
[2:07:27] description, where the job aud
[2:07:28] it
[2:07:28] itself, and they would, in fact
[2:07:30] ,
[2:07:30] be able to ascend to that
[2:07:32] position and creates no problem
[2:07:33] 
[2:07:33] in the process.
[2:07:33] >> absolutely.
[2:07:36] >> okay.
[2:07:36] well, I just -- mr. Manager, I
[2:07:40] 
[2:07:40] don't know if you want to weigh
[2:07:40] 
[2:07:41] in or should weigh in, but fro
[2:07:42] m
[2:07:42] a standpoint of the 45,000 rig
[2:07:44] ht
[2:07:44] now at the middle of the budge
[2:07:46] t
[2:07:46] year, and any thoughts about
[2:07:49] where that would come from?
[2:07:50] or what that means for us moving
[2:07:54] 
[2:07:54] on our potential finances
[2:07:56] through the fiscal year?
[2:07:57] >> mr. Mayor, I don't have
[2:08:01] anything, I guess, specific in
[2:08:03] 
[2:08:03] terms of weighing in.
[2:08:06] I do -- as the auditor
[2:08:11] indicated, he has been meeting
[2:08:12] 
[2:08:12] about the budget.
[2:08:13] I haven't received anything fro
[2:08:14] m
[2:08:14] the budget office in terms of
[2:08:18] 
[2:08:18] concern about the $45,000, and
[2:08:18] I
[2:08:19] think that's largely in part d
[2:08:20] ue
[2:08:20] to the auditor's willingness t
[2:08:23] o
[2:08:23] swap essentially one position
[2:08:24] 
[2:08:24] for the other in terms of
[2:08:26] frozen.
[2:08:26] >> just the fact we have over
[2:08:29] 
[2:08:29] 1,200 employees and we've been
[2:08:31] 
[2:08:32] scrutinizing them basically
[2:08:32] position by position is a reall
[2:08:35] y
[2:08:35] good thing in different, you
[2:08:37] know, in difficult financal
[2:08:38] times, that is what we've done
[2:08:40] .
[2:08:40] that is what has led us to
[2:08:41] freeze essentially 30 positions
[2:08:42] 
[2:08:42] through the fiscal year that
[2:08:44] will probably come up in other
[2:08:45] 
[2:08:46] agenda items, but just would
[2:08:48] like when equal opportunity cam
[2:08:50] e
[2:08:50] to forest to mrak slight
[2:08:52] adjustment, and we supported it
[2:08:56] .
[2:08:56] I'm always -- I'm hesitant to
[2:08:58] 
[2:08:58] increase things through the
[2:09:00] budget year during the budget
[2:09:03] 
[2:09:03] year.
[2:09:03] on the other hand, our city
[2:09:04] leaders should have the ability
[2:09:05] 
[2:09:06] to make small and incremental
[2:09:08] 
[2:09:08] additions, subtractions that
[2:09:10] allow them to be efficient and
[2:09:10] 
[2:09:11] tell us what they need, and I
[2:09:12] 
[2:09:12] think this is one of those
[2:09:15] cases.
[2:09:15] as the money comes through
[2:09:18] general revenue, I would suppo
[2:09:20] rt
[2:09:20] it.
[2:09:20] but again, we have to be looki
[2:09:21] ng
[2:09:21] across all positions and across
[2:09:24] 
[2:09:25] all charters actually when the
[2:09:26] y
[2:09:27] come before us.
[2:09:28] so thank you for that
[2:09:29] information.
[2:09:29] >> thank you, commissioner book
[2:09:32] .
[2:09:32] commissioner duncan-walker.
[2:09:34] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:09:36] thank you for being very, very
[2:09:37] 
[2:09:38] thorough and making sure you
[2:09:39] covered many, if not all, of th
[2:09:41] e
[2:09:41] bases in regards to speaking
[2:09:42] with h.r., speaking to budgeting
[2:09:43] 
[2:09:43] so that you could come to us
[2:09:45] with something that was not hal
[2:09:46] f
[2:09:46] baked but very well thought ou
[2:09:48] t.
[2:09:48] I do remember our conversation
[2:09:53] ,
[2:09:54] and I could appreciate your
[2:09:54] level of thoroughness then jus
[2:09:56] t
[2:09:56] as I appreciate it today.
[2:09:57] I think this is a reasonable
[2:10:00] request.
[2:10:00] and I think the ability of you
[2:10:02] 
[2:10:02] to be having to trade off a
[2:10:04] position is something that I
[2:10:06] consider very, very important.
[2:10:08] 
[2:10:08] I think that the request is
[2:10:10] small.
[2:10:11] it's reasonable considering what
[2:10:12] 
[2:10:12] it is that your office has to
[2:10:13] 
[2:10:13] do, and I support it.
[2:10:15] thank you.
[2:10:15] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:10:17] commissioner duncan-walker.
[2:10:17] commissioner chestnut.
[2:10:19] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:10:24] I support the $11,000 towards
[2:10:27] 
[2:10:27] your staff, your senior staff
[2:10:30] 
[2:10:30] auditor.
[2:10:30] where I have the concern is wit
[2:10:32] h
[2:10:32] the, I guess the overall $33,00
[2:10:38] 0
[2:10:38] increase.
[2:10:38] now, prior to this year, this
[2:10:46] 
[2:10:46] year I'll say, for average
[2:10:48] number of audits was at six?
[2:10:50] >> I would say we moved from
[2:10:53] five, six, sometimes four.
[2:10:54] >> but it wasn't 10.
[2:10:55] it wasn't 10.
[2:10:56] >> I don't remember it ever
[2:10:58] being 10.
[2:10:58] >> no.
[2:10:59] it was not 10.
[2:11:01] I think we had a reduction whe
[2:11:04] n
[2:11:05] we moved from having g.r.u. Plu
[2:11:07] s
[2:11:07] general government, and then I
[2:11:09] 
[2:11:09] think you went up from six to
[2:11:13] 
[2:11:13] 10.
[2:11:13] while that's very ambitious and
[2:11:17] 
[2:11:18] I appreciate that, I think tha
[2:11:20] t
[2:11:20] that's what's causing the
[2:11:23] increase here.
[2:11:24] so I would support the 11,000.
[2:11:30] 
[2:11:30] I can't support 44,000.
[2:11:32] >> thank you, commissioner
[2:11:35] willits.
[2:11:35] >> mayor: thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:11:38] 
[2:11:38] I think the fte kind of swap I
[2:11:42] s
[2:11:42] great.
[2:11:42] I think it makes sense partial
[2:11:45] ly
[2:11:45] because through some budgeting
[2:11:47] 
[2:11:48] cuts, we were -- I think as I
[2:11:50] 
[2:11:50] remember, some of the practice
[2:11:52] 
[2:11:53] was that sometimes an open
[2:11:55] position is what we kept froze
[2:11:58] 
[2:11:58] or it was cut.
[2:11:59] as opposed to firing someone
[2:12:02] from a lower position and then
[2:12:04] 
[2:12:05] having to go through a process
[2:12:06] 
[2:12:06] of hiring an open position.
[2:12:09] and so this just seems like, yo
[2:12:13] u
[2:12:13] know -- this makes a lot of
[2:12:16] sense to me.
[2:12:16] to structure your office and
[2:12:19] because we just have to do it
[2:12:20] 
[2:12:20] through the fte budget process,
[2:12:24] 
[2:12:24] that makes sense.
[2:12:24] partially because you've got t
[2:12:26] o
[2:12:26] keep your people.
[2:12:27] and sometimes you really have t
[2:12:29] o
[2:12:29] -- as they progress in their
[2:12:31] career, it makes a lot of sens
[2:12:32] e.
[2:12:32] that makes sense.
[2:12:33] the other issue, I can
[2:12:35] understand the concerns, but I
[2:12:36] 
[2:12:36] do encourage my colleagues to g
[2:12:38] o
[2:12:38] back and if you didn't read
[2:12:40] consent agenda item 7 and 8, t
[2:12:42] he
[2:12:42] reports from audit, and
[2:12:45] particularly some of them are
[2:12:46] 
[2:12:46] confidential because they
[2:12:47] contain security issues.
[2:12:48] I was very impressed by just t
[2:12:51] he
[2:12:51] past, those two, and one
[2:12:53] previously this spring.
[2:12:54] the ones I've seen this spring
[2:12:56] 
[2:12:56] and maybe it was a culminati
[2:13:00] of a lot of work and the
[2:13:03] findings about where managemen
[2:13:05] t
[2:13:05] and the office has worked with
[2:13:06] 
[2:13:06] you and identified several
[2:13:07] concerns to make sure that we
[2:13:09] 
[2:13:09] can prevent future fraud or any
[2:13:14] 
[2:13:15] kind of security threat.
[2:13:15] and so I just -- it reminded m
[2:13:18] e
[2:13:19] why you have to do these becau
[2:13:22] se
[2:13:22] all of our departments are bus
[2:13:23] y
[2:13:24] getting all their work done and
[2:13:26] 
[2:13:26] maybe that level of reflection
[2:13:28] 
[2:13:29] of process is not the first
[2:13:30] thing they do, but our auditor,
[2:13:32] 
[2:13:32] that is the first thing you do
[2:13:33] .
[2:13:33] that's your first concern.
[2:13:35] and so I want to pose a questio
[2:13:37] n  to m
[2:13:37] to m colleagues is, was the
[2:13:39] level of general government
[2:13:42] audit appropriate before 2024?
[2:13:43] 
[2:13:43] we can reference the past, but
[2:13:45] 
[2:13:45] were we getting enough done?
[2:13:48] and we know before fy24 going
[2:13:52] 
[2:13:52] back a few years before that,
[2:13:54] 
[2:13:54] there were issues with certain
[2:13:55] 
[2:13:55] parts of our government that l
[2:13:57] ed
[2:13:57] to staff transition.
[2:13:58] that led to us devolving part o
[2:14:01] f
[2:14:01] your government away and I'm
[2:14:03] talkin
[2:14:05] tal
[2:14:05] talking about riker house, lik
[2:14:11] e
[2:14:12] real concerns.
[2:14:12] and more of our contracts when
[2:14:14] 
[2:14:14] we give money to a nonprofit
[2:14:16] partner, that we have some
[2:14:17] ability to audit a portion of
[2:14:18] 
[2:14:18] what we give to bee to kind
[2:14:20] of peel back the onion and loo
[2:14:21] k
[2:14:21] a little bit.
[2:14:22] so that is if -- if we want to
[2:14:24] 
[2:14:24] do that, but we don't want to
[2:14:26] 
[2:14:26] have a little more budget wiggl
[2:14:27] e
[2:14:27] room so that the auditor can
[2:14:29] hire outside, we need to know
[2:14:32] 
[2:14:32] that before we even propose or
[2:14:34] 
[2:14:36] put that policy in because we
[2:14:38] 
[2:14:38] can't give them more work
[2:14:39] without some more resources.
[2:14:40] because we have an item coming
[2:14:44] 
[2:14:44] up in the afternoon, similar
[2:14:45] dollar amount coming out of
[2:14:47] proposed to be spent out of
[2:14:49] excess fund balance where we
[2:14:50] will talk about the ability to
[2:14:52] 
[2:14:52] audit the money we give them.
[2:14:55] so I will -- it will be hard t
[2:14:58] o
[2:14:58] understand someone voting yes
[2:15:00] 
[2:15:00] and we want oversight over the
[2:15:01] 
[2:15:03] 
[2:15:03] $55,000 for heartwood, but not
[2:15:10] 
[2:15:10] the money to go track and the
[2:15:13] 
[2:15:13] person potentially being part o
[2:15:13] f
[2:15:13] that audit process.
[2:15:14] I don't know where we're going
[2:15:15] 
[2:15:15] to land on both of those, but I
[2:15:17] 
[2:15:17] just wanted to bring that up.
[2:15:18] I have similar concerns about
[2:15:20] 
[2:15:20] understanding, commissioner
[2:15:22] eastman, about is this
[2:15:23] necessary?
[2:15:23] is the volume?
[2:15:24] but I will say it is hard for m
[2:15:26] e
[2:15:26] to make that decision right now
[2:15:28] 
[2:15:28] without using part of the trust
[2:15:30] 
[2:15:30] of the auditor to say this is
[2:15:32] 
[2:15:32] what we've been working on.
[2:15:33] this is how much gamed out.
[2:15:35] this is how many hours of help
[2:15:37] I
[2:15:37] need as opposed to I need an
[2:15:41] extra position mid year.
[2:15:42] thank you, colleagues.
[2:15:43] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:15:45] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:15:47] commissioner willits.
[2:15:47] commissioner ingle.
[2:15:49] >> looking at your overall
[2:15:50] chart, it looked like a pretty
[2:15:54] 
[2:15:54] tight organization.
[2:15:55] so I'm assuming the work of a
[2:15:58] 
[2:15:58] senior auditor is being done
[2:16:01] now.
[2:16:01] it's being done by an auditor w
[2:16:03] e
[2:16:03] are not calling a senior
[2:16:05] auditor, is that correct?
[2:16:05] >> you could say that pretty
[2:16:07] much.
[2:16:07] our staff auditor has been
[2:16:09] working very hard under the
[2:16:10] supervision of our senior
[2:16:13] auditor and yourself and our
[2:16:14] I.t. Audit monitor.
[2:16:15] we do cooperate on every audit
[2:16:18] 
[2:16:18] and we do provide that kind of
[2:16:20] 
[2:16:21] supervision.
[2:16:21] when somebody becomes a senior
[2:16:23] 
[2:16:23] auditor moving from staff
[2:16:25] auditor position, they need --
[2:16:26] 
[2:16:26] they will require less
[2:16:28] supervision, thereby kind of
[2:16:29] allowing the other auditors to
[2:16:32] 
[2:16:32] regulate more time to other
[2:16:34] projects.
[2:16:34] >> that makes a lot of sense t
[2:16:38] o
[2:16:38] me.
[2:16:38] if that will free up the other
[2:16:42] 
[2:16:42] time because this person issed
[2:16:42] a
[2:16:43] vanced enough in their -- is
[2:16:45] advanced enough in their caree
[2:16:46] r
[2:16:47] they don't have to have that
[2:16:48] constant oversight, then I thi
[2:16:50] nk
[2:16:50] if everybody was given that type
[2:16:51] 
[2:16:51] of responsibility, they would b
[2:16:53] e
[2:16:53] given the pay commensurate wit
[2:16:54] h
[2:16:54] that.
[2:16:54] otherwise, we are just saving
[2:16:56] 
[2:16:56] money off the back of one
[2:16:57] worker, and I am in no way in
[2:16:59] 
[2:16:59] favor of that.
[2:17:00] I'm okay with this.
[2:17:04] I think it's a relatively small
[2:17:06] 
[2:17:06] about of money and the charter
[2:17:07] 
[2:17:08] office coming and telling me
[2:17:10] this small amount of money is
[2:17:11] 
[2:17:11] what it will take to correctly
[2:17:12] 
[2:17:12] do it, I am all right with thi
[2:17:13] s
[2:17:13] for myself.
[2:17:14] thanks.
[2:17:14] >> mayor: all right.
[2:17:16] thank you, commissioner ingle.
[2:17:17] 
[2:17:17] is there any public comment,
[2:17:19] madam clerk?
[2:17:19] >> mr. Mayor, there is no publi
[2:17:21] c
[2:17:21] comment.
[2:17:21] >> mayor: anyone else?
[2:17:23] commissioner eastman?
[2:17:24] >> I'm make a motion and if
[2:17:26] someone wants to make a motion
[2:17:27] 
[2:17:27] about the seconart.
[2:17:28] as I mention, I support th  firspart
[2:17:32] firspart that the city
[2:17:33] commission authorize the [audio
[2:17:34] 
[2:17:37] disruption]
[2:17:37] and authorize to amend the cit
[2:17:38] y
[2:17:39] auditor's budget in the amount
[2:17:42] 
[2:17:42] of $11,488.
[2:17:42] >> mayor: motion and a second.
[2:17:44] 
[2:17:44] all in favor say aye.
[2:17:46] any opposed?
[2:17:46] all right.
[2:17:47] that passes unanimously.
[2:17:48] anyone want to approach the
[2:17:51] other issue?
[2:17:51] commissioner duncan-walker.
[2:17:55] >> I vote that we apply the
[2:18:01] $33,600 towards the co-sourcin
[2:18:03] g
[2:18:03] of a selected audit project wit
[2:18:06] h
[2:18:06] qualified external audit
[2:18:09] consulting firms.
[2:18:10] >> second.
[2:18:10] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[2:18:11] a
[2:18:12] second.
[2:18:12] any discussion?
[2:18:13] commissioner eastman?
[2:18:13] >> I think that any kind of
[2:18:16] change in budgeting that would
[2:18:17] 
[2:18:17] change the oversaul scope, I
[2:18:19] mean, I'm not a blanket opposed
[2:18:21] 
[2:18:21] to it.
[2:18:21] obviously we did it in the las
[2:18:23] t
[2:18:23] one, but I think that is the
[2:18:25] purpose of the budget process
[2:18:26] 
[2:18:26] that we do starting -- that
[2:18:28] we've already started and goes
[2:18:30] 
[2:18:30] through the end of october
[2:18:31] figuring out where our
[2:18:32] priorities are, how that
[2:18:34] balances out with other
[2:18:35] positions we have frozen or not
[2:18:37] 
[2:18:37] kept frozen.
[2:18:38] I am not opposed, commissioner
[2:18:40] 
[2:18:41] willits, what overall level of
[2:18:42] 
[2:18:43] service we want from our
[2:18:45] administrative departments
[2:18:46] versus public works, versus
[2:18:49] parks, and that is what that
[2:18:51] overall budget process would be
[2:18:52] .
[2:18:52] I am comfortable looking at the
[2:18:54] 
[2:18:54] overall scope of the audit
[2:18:57] department just like I am
[2:18:58] looking at everyone else durin
[2:18:59] g
[2:18:59] that process, not necessarily
[2:19:00] 
[2:19:00] during this one.
[2:19:01] so I'll vote no on it.
[2:19:02] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:19:04] commissioner eastman.
[2:19:05] any other comments?
[2:19:07] commissioner book?
[2:19:09] >> yeah, I'm similarly situated,
[2:19:11] 
[2:19:11] mr. Mayor, commissioner eastma
[2:19:14] n,
[2:19:14] that I think we can address tha
[2:19:15] t
[2:19:15] and I think that would be
[2:19:16] appropriate to put that in the
[2:19:17] 
[2:19:17] middle of the fiscal year in th
[2:19:20] e
[2:19:20] budget process.
[2:19:20] I think it would be supported.
[2:19:21] 
[2:19:21] it's reasonable.
[2:19:23] it's incremental.
[2:19:24] I think probably merely because
[2:19:25] 
[2:19:25] we're six months in and we nee
[2:19:27] d
[2:19:27] a little more clarity, we
[2:19:29] probably shouldn't do that at
[2:19:30] 
[2:19:30] this point.
[2:19:30] I think we have another -- jus
[2:19:31] t
[2:19:31] the fact I look ahead as we all
[2:19:33] 
[2:19:33] do and look at the other budge
[2:19:36] t
[2:19:36] requests that are coming, and w
[2:19:37] e
[2:19:37] kind of have to weigh them all
[2:19:39] 
[2:19:39] collectively and kind of at a
[2:19:41] 
[2:19:41] 30,000-foot level from what's
[2:19:43] 
[2:19:43] best.
[2:19:43] so I support it.
[2:19:44] I just don't support it today.
[2:19:46] 
[2:19:46] and that's because we need to
[2:19:47] 
[2:19:47] see what our total financial
[2:19:49] picture is.
[2:19:49] thank you.
[2:19:50] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:19:52] commissioner book.  M
[2:19:53] m sorry.
[2:19:53] commissioner willits.
[2:19:55] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:19:56] so I have similar concerns abo
[2:19:58] ut
[2:19:58] the full, how we build out
[2:20:00] budget and the level of servic
[2:20:02] e,
[2:20:02] but I just want to remind folk
[2:20:04] s,
[2:20:04] when we talk about the core
[2:20:06] functions of the city.
[2:20:07] this is in our charter.
[2:20:09] public safety is in a lot of
[2:20:11] different places throughout the
[2:20:13] 
[2:20:13] state charter, ordinances, but
[2:20:15] 
[2:20:15] the office of auditor and the
[2:20:17] 
[2:20:17] job to be done is a core servic
[2:20:19] e
[2:20:19] of the city.
[2:20:21] it is a service to ourselves o
[2:20:23] n
[2:20:23] behalf of our residents.
[2:20:24] and so it is -- it is tough
[2:20:28] because, you know, there's a
[2:20:29] charter office for a reason.
[2:20:30] the voters put it there.
[2:20:33] and so yeah, it is tough.
[2:20:36] I know it's an amount of money
[2:20:38] 
[2:20:38] that doesn't seem like it is t
[2:20:39] he
[2:20:39] toughest decision in the world,
[2:20:40] 
[2:20:40] but I fully understand the
[2:20:43] weight of the decision about
[2:20:45] this.
[2:20:45] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:20:46] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:20:49] commissioner willits.
[2:20:50] madam clerk, since this is goi
[2:20:51] ng
[2:20:51] to be a close vote, call the
[2:20:54] roll please so I don't miss t I
[2:20:55] .
[2:20:55] >> yes, mr. Mayor.
[2:20:57] commissioner book.
[2:20:57] >> nay.
[2:20:58] >> a commissioner chestnut
[2:20:59] >> no.
[2:21:00] >> commissioner duncan-walker.
[2:21:02] 
[2:21:02] >> aye.
[2:21:03] >> commissioner eastman.
[2:21:04] >> nay.
[2:21:05] >> commissioner ingle.
[2:21:06] >> aye.
[2:21:09] >> mayor pro tem willits.
[2:21:11] >> aye.
[2:21:13] >> mayor ward.
[2:21:13] >> aye.
[2:21:14] >> that passes 4-3 with book,
[2:21:18] 
[2:21:18] eastman and chestnut in dissent.
[2:21:20] 
[2:21:20] madam clerk?
[2:21:23] >> all right.
[2:21:24] mr. Mayor, we're on to our
[2:21:29] 2026-235 request to amend budge
[2:21:31] t
[2:21:31] for office of the city auditor
[2:21:33] 
[2:21:34] with recommendation the city
[2:21:35] commission authorize human
[2:21:37] resources to unfreeze --
[2:21:38] >> mayor: no.
[2:21:38] >> an I apologize.
[2:21:40] sorry.
[2:21:40] I'll get there.
[2:21:42] hold on one minute.
[2:21:43] >> mayor: we're going to
[2:21:45] reconsider the whole thing?
[2:21:46] >> no.
[2:21:47] we are moving on.
[2:21:48] sorry.
[2:21:48] 2025-170, contract for red lig
[2:21:53] ht
[2:21:53] detection camera enforcement
[2:21:55] system between redspeed florida
[2:21:56] 
[2:21:56] llc and the city of gainesvill
[2:21:59] e.
[2:21:59] the recommendation the city
[2:22:00] commission approve the contrac
[2:22:01] t
[2:22:02] with redspeed florida llc and
[2:22:04] 
[2:22:04] authorize the city manager or
[2:22:07] 
[2:22:07] designee to take up the redspee
[2:22:08] d
[2:22:08] florida contract and execute a
[2:22:09] ll
[2:22:09] documents and contracts related
[2:22:11] 
[2:22:11] subject to approval of the cit
[2:22:13] y
[2:22:13] attorney as to form and
[2:22:14] legality.
[2:22:14] >> mayor: welcome.
[2:22:16] >> good afternoon, mayor, city
[2:22:18] 
[2:22:18] commissioners, mr. Manager.
[2:22:19] thank you for having me today.
[2:22:22] 
[2:22:22] this is part of our florida
[2:22:25] state statute requirement, whi
[2:22:27] ch
[2:22:27] mandates that we bring this
[2:22:29] contract back to you.
[2:22:30] allow it to not go on a consent
[2:22:32] 
[2:22:32] agenda so if the public had a
[2:22:35] 
[2:22:35] comment about it that they could
[2:22:35] 
[2:22:35] make a comment about it.
[2:22:36] we did on may 15 adopt the
[2:22:40] ordinance 2025-170, and it's
[2:22:43] related to, of course, the
[2:22:45] contract for the red light
[2:22:47] cameras.
[2:22:47] this is the contract.
[2:22:48] this is the backup items of th
[2:22:49] e
[2:22:50] scope of services and how we
[2:22:52] will move forward, and so we
[2:22:56] have been in contact both with
[2:22:58] 
[2:22:58] the vendor and lee libby has
[2:23:00] helped us all the way through
[2:23:02] 
[2:23:02] this because it is new for us a
[2:23:03] t
[2:23:03] the gainesville police
[2:23:04] department.
[2:23:04] I'm here for any questions or
[2:23:06] 
[2:23:06] any of that, and to allow for
[2:23:09] 
[2:23:09] public comment.
[2:23:09] >> mayor: very good.
[2:23:10] thank you.
[2:23:10] >> and I would remind everyone,
[2:23:12] 
[2:23:12] this is about the red light
[2:23:14] cameras, not about school zone
[2:23:16] 
[2:23:16] cameras to be specific.
[2:23:17] I know that is easy to conflate
[2:23:18] 
[2:23:19] the two.
[2:23:20] we're not on school zones
[2:23:22] contract just yet.
[2:23:23] is there any public comment?
[2:23:25] >> there is no public comment.
[2:23:27] 
[2:23:27] >> mayor: okay.
[2:23:28] all right.
[2:23:28] commissioner book.
[2:23:29] >> I remain fully in support.
[2:23:32] we have taken several votes for
[2:23:33] 
[2:23:33] both of these forms of
[2:23:35] technology.
[2:23:35] it is all about public safety,
[2:23:36] 
[2:23:37] and it's definitely not about
[2:23:38] 
[2:23:38] revenue.
[2:23:38] if anything, it appears that o
[2:23:40] ur
[2:23:40] analysis shows that it will be
[2:23:42] 
[2:23:42] revenue neutral.
[2:23:43] I suspect it will probably be
[2:23:46] 
[2:23:46] revenue negative for plan
[2:23:47] implementation, at least for a
[2:23:48] 
[2:23:48] while.
[2:23:48] definitely has nothing to do
[2:23:51] with fees and definitely has
[2:23:52] nothing to do with leveraging
[2:23:54] 
[2:23:54] safety and the fact that we
[2:23:56] identified some of our most
[2:23:57] dangerous areas to pilot it
[2:23:59] means that maybe a year down t
[2:24:01] he
[2:24:01] road if we've not done it well
[2:24:02] ,
[2:24:02] it is not implemented in a way
[2:24:03] 
[2:24:04] that gives trust to the
[2:24:05] community, then the commission
[2:24:07] 
[2:24:07] has the ability to ramp it back
[2:24:08] .
[2:24:08] that is the whole point of the
[2:24:10] 
[2:24:10] pilot.
[2:24:10] I say this just as another
[2:24:14] bureaucratic step in support,
[2:24:16] 
[2:24:16] and so with that, I recommend
[2:24:18] 
[2:24:18] approval of 2025-170, approve
[2:24:20] 
[2:24:20] the contract with redspeed,
[2:24:22] authorize the city manage
[2:24:25] areer and
[2:24:26] designee to accept the contrac
[2:24:27] t,
[2:24:27] execute the documents and
[2:24:29] contracts subject to the
[2:24:30] approval of the city attorney.
[2:24:31] 
[2:24:31] >> second.
[2:24:32] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:24:34] commissioner book.
[2:24:34] commissioner willits?
[2:24:35] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:24:36] my understanding it is a
[2:24:38] three-year contract with two
[2:24:39] potential extensions of a year
[2:24:41] .
[2:24:41] but it can be terminated early?
[2:24:44] 
[2:24:44] pursuant to the contract.
[2:24:46] how -- what are the terms for
[2:24:49] 
[2:24:49] terminating early?
[2:24:49] if we only -- if we got a year
[2:24:51] 
[2:24:52] into it and we don't like it o
[2:24:53] r
[2:24:53] a future commission doesn't like
[2:24:54] 
[2:24:54] it.
[2:24:54] >> so if for some reason we --
[2:24:59] 
[2:24:59] if legality in the state level
[2:25:00] 
[2:25:01] like the statute went away that
[2:25:02] 
[2:25:02] allows us to have them, at any
[2:25:04] 
[2:25:04] time we wanted to be able to
[2:25:06] negate that contract.
[2:25:07] we also put a stipulation in
[2:25:10] there.
[2:25:10] I think it's 30 days.
[2:25:11] letting each other know if for
[2:25:13] 
[2:25:13] some reason, maybe the camera I
[2:25:15] s
[2:25:15] not functional.
[2:25:16] maybe we are not getting enoug
[2:25:19] h
[2:25:19] -- the decision has changed and
[2:25:20] 
[2:25:21] is not supported by the
[2:25:23] legislative body at that time,
[2:25:26] 
[2:25:26] we could ask --
[2:25:27] yes.
[2:25:27] >> with a simple majority vote
[2:25:30] 
[2:25:30] of the commission, this contract
[2:25:32] 
[2:25:32] can be and -- and sorry I did
[2:25:34] 
[2:25:34] not go look through for
[2:25:35] penalties.
[2:25:35] just so that I understand, you
[2:25:40] 
[2:25:40] know, cancellation, terminatio
[2:25:40] n,
[2:25:40] for cause, without cause, loss
[2:25:44] 
[2:25:44] of funding.
[2:25:45] so I just want and maybe this
[2:25:47] is
[2:25:47] deeper, so it's an attorney
[2:25:49] question.
[2:25:49] I just want to fully understand
[2:25:51] .
[2:25:51] if we end up just hating it f
[2:25:54] 
[2:25:54] the public hates it, everybody
[2:25:56] 
[2:25:57] hates it, whatever, can we jus
[2:26:00] t
[2:26:01] make a -- for no cause, besides
[2:26:03] 
[2:26:03] it is unpopular decision to
[2:26:06] terminate what kind of -- I use
[2:26:07] 
[2:26:07] the term penalty because I don
[2:26:09] 't
[2:26:09] know any better word.
[2:26:10] can we get out of it at some
[2:26:11] point before the three years?
[2:26:12] >> so all of our contracts with
[2:26:15] 
[2:26:15] the city say the vast majority
[2:26:18] 
[2:26:18] have a termination for
[2:26:20] conveyance.
[2:26:20] this one says after ayear.
[2:26:22] with 30 days notice, we can
[2:26:24] cancel the agreement.
[2:26:25] >> a year.
[2:26:26] >> and give it a year.
[2:26:27] and then if it's just, like,
[2:26:31] outside -- now, obviously, les
[2:26:32] s
[2:26:33] than a year for cause, there's
[2:26:35] 
[2:26:35] some listed in the contract.
[2:26:36] that makes sense.
[2:26:37] if it's really not working and
[2:26:38] 
[2:26:39] they really failed and if
[2:26:40] there's cause that we can prov
[2:26:41] e.
[2:26:41] but I'm thinking of the no
[2:26:43] cause, merely convenience, giv
[2:26:44] e
[2:26:44] it a year, and then 30 day,
[2:26:47] which makes me feel a little
[2:26:49] more comfortable with it so try
[2:26:51] 
[2:26:53] it out on just two.
[2:26:54] does this contract allow
[2:26:56] expansion of the two to more
[2:26:58] than two should we want within
[2:26:59] 
[2:27:00] this three-year period?
[2:27:03] >> it is my understanding from
[2:27:05] 
[2:27:06] lee that we would have to enter
[2:27:08] 
[2:27:08] into an addendum to the contract
[2:27:09] 
[2:27:09] if we were going to do that.
[2:27:11] it does allow for some leeway
[2:27:14] 
[2:27:14] for that.
[2:27:14] >> it would involve the same
[2:27:16] steps of, you know, it's got t
[2:27:17] o
[2:27:18] come before it.
[2:27:18] it can't be on continue sent I
[2:27:21] f
[2:27:21] we do an addendum.
[2:27:22] >> I apologize.
[2:27:24] that is a legal question I don
[2:27:25] 't
[2:27:25] have the answer to.
[2:27:27] >> mr. City attorney?
[2:27:28] >> mr. Mayor, this contract, I
[2:27:30] 
[2:27:30] think, is for the two
[2:27:32] intersections that were
[2:27:34] identified.
[2:27:34] and I'm not aware of any reaso
[2:27:37] n
[2:27:38] why they wouldn't be willing t
[2:27:39] o
[2:27:39] expand fit  it if we wanted to
[2:27:44] 
[2:27:44] add --
[2:27:44] >> my question is, would this
[2:27:47] 
[2:27:47] return to us in a similar
[2:27:50] fashion?
[2:27:50] would it go through the same
[2:27:52] process?
[2:27:52] >> if you add additional
[2:27:54] intersections, it would come
[2:27:55] back before you.
[2:27:56] >> a yes, statute requires all
[2:27:58] 
[2:27:58] approvals from the governing
[2:28:00] body to be done on a regular
[2:28:02] agenda item for all these
[2:28:03] automated enforcement efforts.
[2:28:05] 
[2:28:05] the ordinance you adopted liste
[2:28:07] d
[2:28:07] additional intersections as an
[2:28:09] 
[2:28:10] authorization, but the
[2:28:11] contracts, yes, would have to
[2:28:12] 
[2:28:12] come back and that is for schoo
[2:28:13] l
[2:28:13] zones and for the red lights.
[2:28:14] >> perfect.
[2:28:15] I do remember a list.
[2:28:17] and the contract comes back.
[2:28:18] that's wonderful.
[2:28:19] I would just say, I think I'm
[2:28:21] 
[2:28:21] going to support this, and
[2:28:23] because we are down the road.
[2:28:23] we're getting down on this.
[2:28:25] but I do like the idea, and my
[2:28:27] 
[2:28:28] colleagues agree, that I want a
[2:28:30] 
[2:28:30] real one-year deadline that we
[2:28:31] 
[2:28:31] bring back and look at it so
[2:28:33] that we know and if it's
[2:28:34] something we don't like, that w
[2:28:36] e
[2:28:36] look at data, hear community
[2:28:38] feedback, you know, that kind o
[2:28:40] f
[2:28:40] set in stone that ewith're goi
[2:28:41] ng
[2:28:41] to do in a year.
[2:28:42] >> statute actually requires a
[2:28:44] n
[2:28:45] annual report with a regular
[2:28:46] agenda item on the regular
[2:28:47] meeting, not on consent as well
[2:28:49] .
[2:28:49] >> not everything we do is
[2:28:52] mandated by the state
[2:28:52] government, but in this case, I
[2:28:54] 
[2:28:54] think --
[2:28:54] it shows that there is an
[2:28:56] interest.
[2:28:56] and so I think I can support
[2:28:58] this.
[2:28:58] thank you.
[2:28:58] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:29:00] commissioner willits.
[2:29:01] xhing commissionerening I I
[2:29:04] think?
[2:29:04] >> this is an issue I really
[2:29:08] have beencommissioner ingle?
[2:29:21] >> this is an issue I really is
[2:29:22] sue
[2:29:23] of folks who don't get mail and
[2:29:25] 
[2:29:26] move a lot and missing something
[2:29:27] 
[2:29:27] like this and turning from a
[2:29:28] fine they didn't know they had
[2:29:29] 
[2:29:30] into a suspended license and a
[2:29:32] 
[2:29:32] bench warrant and all the thing
[2:29:33] s
[2:29:33] that go along with that.
[2:29:34] I really wrestled back and for
[2:29:36] th
[2:29:36] with those things.
[2:29:38] in addition to that, there was
[2:29:41] 
[2:29:41] recently a case in south flori
[2:29:42] da
[2:29:42] where these cameras were
[2:29:46] declared unconstitutional.
[2:29:47] between those two things, I
[2:29:54] would be more comfortable
[2:29:56] waiting on actually executing
[2:29:57] 
[2:29:57] this contract until we had som
[2:30:00] e
[2:30:00] word back from the appeal that'
[2:30:01] s
[2:30:01] going on to that as to whether
[2:30:03] 
[2:30:03] or not these are going to
[2:30:05] continue to be legal.
[2:30:05] I don't want to go into putting
[2:30:07] 
[2:30:07] in the expense of getting
[2:30:09] special magistrate, getting the
[2:30:11] 
[2:30:11] equipment to, or hiring someon
[2:30:12] e
[2:30:12] to review all the tickets, doi
[2:30:14] ng
[2:30:14] all the things that we would
[2:30:15] have to do to make this
[2:30:17] functional, only to find out a
[2:30:19] 
[2:30:19] few months from now that it's
[2:30:21] 
[2:30:21] not considered constitutional I
[2:30:24] n
[2:30:24] florida anymore.
[2:30:25] I'm also a little, not
[2:30:30] concerned, but curious, as to
[2:30:32] 
[2:30:32] whether or not the traffic
[2:30:33] patterns that we used to make
[2:30:34] 
[2:30:34] this decision would hold up if
[2:30:37] 
[2:30:37] now that they're talking about
[2:30:39] 
[2:30:39] closing stephen foster and one
[2:30:43] 
[2:30:43] of the intersections we have
[2:30:43] been looking at was the corner
[2:30:45] 
[2:30:45] of 6th and 23rd.
[2:30:47] I would imagine a good deal of
[2:30:50] 
[2:30:50] that traffic was some school
[2:30:51] traffic for that.
[2:30:51] so I'm a no on this today.
[2:30:53] and I would say I would be jus
[2:30:55] t
[2:30:55] as happy pushing this off until
[2:30:56] 
[2:30:57] we've got some real answer as t
[2:30:59] o
[2:30:59] whether or not this is going t
[2:31:02] o
[2:31:02] continue to be found
[2:31:04] unconstitutional and not barri
[2:31:07] ng
[2:31:07] the appeal in south florida.
[2:31:08] that's where I am on it.
[2:31:09] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:31:11] commissioner ingle.
[2:31:12] I will continue to be a yes on
[2:31:16] 
[2:31:16] this.
[2:31:16] I have been through.
[2:31:17] I understand the concerns.
[2:31:18] the thing that we have not
[2:31:22] talked about is the tremendous
[2:31:23] 
[2:31:23] danger, and I would almost -- I
[2:31:25] 
[2:31:25] won't call it an epidemic, but
[2:31:28] 
[2:31:28] close to that, of people runni
[2:31:29] ng
[2:31:29] red lights.
[2:31:30] I watched three of them
[2:31:32] yesterday in the space of half
[2:31:34] 
[2:31:35] an hour.
[2:31:35] they weren't at these two
[2:31:37] intersections.
[2:31:37] these two intersections are the
[2:31:39] 
[2:31:39] ones that the data show us hav
[2:31:43] e
[2:31:43] the most trouble.
[2:31:45] and some weren't even in the t
[2:31:47] op
[2:31:47] two.
[2:31:47] public safety is a thing we ar
[2:31:50] e
[2:31:50] 100%, as you mentioned earlier,
[2:31:51] 
[2:31:54] responsible for.
[2:31:55] no question about that.
[2:31:55] if we are committed to vision
[2:31:58] 
[2:31:58] zero, we've got to do something
[2:32:00] 
[2:32:00] to lower the number of people
[2:32:04] 
[2:32:04] running red lights.
[2:32:05] if somebody's got a better idea
[2:32:06] ,
[2:32:06] I'm all ears.
[2:32:07] but until a better idea comes
[2:32:09] 
[2:32:09] along, I'm a yes on this.
[2:32:11] is there any public comment,
[2:32:14] madam clerk?
[2:32:15] >> no public comment.
[2:32:16] >> mayor: we have a motion on
[2:32:18] 
[2:32:18] the floor.
[2:32:19] all in favor vote aye.
[2:32:21] opposed nay.
[2:32:22] that passes 6-1 with
[2:32:24] commissioner ingle in dissent.
[2:32:25] 
[2:32:25] madam clerk?
[2:32:26] >> mr. Mayor, that is our
[2:32:30] morning agenda.
[2:32:30] >> mayor: thank you.
[2:32:31] commissioner duncan-walker?
[2:32:32] >> mr. Mayor, I do have a quick
[2:32:34] 
[2:32:34] question with regards to the
[2:32:36] previous agenda item.
[2:32:37] thank you, commissioner ingle,
[2:32:39] 
[2:32:40] for your concerns.
[2:32:41] the police advisory council tha
[2:32:44] t
[2:32:44] is seated.
[2:32:45] is it possible to utilize them
[2:32:46] 
[2:32:46] in review of some of these cas
[2:32:48] es
[2:32:48] as they come through?
[2:32:51] because what commissioner ingl
[2:32:53] e
[2:32:53] was stating is certainly not
[2:32:55] anything that's lost on me.
[2:32:56] and I wonder if there is a way
[2:33:00] 
[2:33:00] for us in an ongoing way as
[2:33:02] opposed to at this year point
[2:33:03] 
[2:33:03] where we will have to review
[2:33:05] this, that if we could kind of
[2:33:07] 
[2:33:08] have probably a more consistent
[2:33:09] 
[2:33:09] review and/or analysis of the
[2:33:12] 
[2:33:12] data that we're collecting, so
[2:33:14] e can be more apprised of
[2:33:16] what's actually happening.
[2:33:16] is that a way it could be used
[2:33:20] ?
[2:33:20] >> commission, sergeant lynn
[2:33:24] valdez, traffic unit.
[2:33:26] with the statutory requirement,
[2:33:28] 
[2:33:29] part of it is they would like
[2:33:29] 
[2:33:29] the public forum, but the vendo
[2:33:31] r
[2:33:31] actually produces reports and
[2:33:34] 
[2:33:34] statistical analysis that is
[2:33:35] easily available to everybody.
[2:33:36] 
[2:33:36] so we could also present to the
[2:33:39] 
[2:33:39] police advisory commission.
[2:33:40] but part of the formality is, I
[2:33:41] 
[2:33:41] believe, they want it in this
[2:33:44] 
[2:33:44] public setting on record to be
[2:33:47] 
[2:33:47] able to comment about what has
[2:33:48] 
[2:33:48] gone on in the previous year.
[2:33:50] >> so that happens once per yea
[2:33:52] r
[2:33:52] is what you are talking about.
[2:33:53] 
[2:33:53] >> yes, ma'am.
[2:33:54] >> what I am talking about is
[2:33:56] 
[2:33:56] the police advisory council tha
[2:33:58] t
[2:33:58] meets how often?
[2:33:59] >> good morning, commissioner.
[2:34:00] 
[2:34:00] good morning, mr. City manager,
[2:34:02] 
[2:34:03] mr. Mayor.
[2:34:03] absolutely. That council is th
[2:34:08] ere for
[2:34:08] several reasons, one of which I
[2:34:10] s
[2:34:10] to give us advice.
[2:34:11] to have some degree of oversigh
[2:34:12] t
[2:34:12] to our processes.
[2:34:14] I see this as just that.
[2:34:17] so if the commission wanted to
[2:34:19] 
[2:34:19] give direction to that council,
[2:34:20] 
[2:34:21] certainly that would be within
[2:34:22] 
[2:34:22] the purview.
[2:34:23] and we would make whatever
[2:34:27] reported timeline, so on a
[2:34:29] monthly, ongoing, status repor
[2:34:30] t
[2:34:31] because we meet with council
[2:34:32] every month, then that is what
[2:34:33] 
[2:34:34] we would do.
[2:34:34] despite the annual reported
[2:34:37] mandate statutorily.
[2:34:38] >> I would be interested in
[2:34:39] that.
[2:34:39] I wonder if it's the appetite
[2:34:42] of
[2:34:42] my colleagues, but I will make
[2:34:44] 
[2:34:44] that motion because I think to
[2:34:47] 
[2:34:47] put us at ease, to put the
[2:34:49] community at ease, and to make
[2:34:50] 
[2:34:50] sure we are staying on top of
[2:34:52] 
[2:34:52] what's happening with our
[2:34:53] neighbors, I definitely,
[2:34:54] especially if it's going to not
[2:34:55] 
[2:34:55] be that much of an impact, we d
[2:34:57] o
[2:34:57] have a board that sits there for
[2:34:59] 
[2:34:59] this particular reason, and I
[2:35:01] 
[2:35:01] think that a lot of them might
[2:35:03] 
[2:35:03] be interested in this as well.
[2:35:06] 
[2:35:06] but I move that we enlist the
[2:35:09] 
[2:35:09] police advisory council to
[2:35:12] provide a monthly, ongoing --
[2:35:15] 
[2:35:15] commissioner?
[2:35:15] >> sorry.
[2:35:16] the only thing that is still
[2:35:17] unknown to us.
[2:35:17] >> yes.
[2:35:18] >> is the impact on how we're
[2:35:20] 
[2:35:20] going to capture the data,
[2:35:22] right?
[2:35:22] the instrument to capture data
[2:35:24] 
[2:35:25] is yet unknown.
[2:35:26] so a lot of this will be all
[2:35:29] hands on deck using our
[2:35:30] analysts, using our traffic
[2:35:32] personnel, so I don't have a
[2:35:33] clear picture yet as to how eas
[2:35:35] y
[2:35:35] it is going to be.
[2:35:36] >> right.
[2:35:36] >> so maybe we can have further
[2:35:38] 
[2:35:38] dialogue whether it's monthly,
[2:35:39] 
[2:35:40] whether it's quarterly, not
[2:35:41] sure.
[2:35:41] but whatever the commission
[2:35:43] arrives at at a reasonable
[2:35:44] timeline, I think we can deliver
[2:35:45] 
[2:35:45] that.
[2:35:45] >> okay.
[2:35:47] so let me take the monthly out
[2:35:50] 
[2:35:50] now.
[2:35:50] I'll take the monthly out.
[2:35:53] let me just say it like this.
[2:35:57] in response to community need,
[2:36:02] 
[2:36:02] in response to a level of
[2:36:07] transparency, I'm interested I
[2:36:09] n
[2:36:09] us being able to provide
[2:36:11] additional information.
[2:36:11] I'm interested in additional
[2:36:15] analysis, okay, that can
[2:36:17] apparently be done through our
[2:36:18] 
[2:36:18] police advisory council.
[2:36:19] now, if that's not done on a
[2:36:21] monthly basis, maybe that's
[2:36:23] fine.
[2:36:23] but maybe a quarterly basis.
[2:36:26] because I hear you.
[2:36:27] ther are still a number of
[2:36:30] unknowns here.
[2:36:30] >> commissioner, we can always
[2:36:34] 
[2:36:34] as we go along adjust that.
[2:36:36] >> yeah, that's what I'm
[2:36:38] thinking.
[2:36:38] right now let's do quarterly
[2:36:41] because maybe that's the lowes
[2:36:42] t
[2:36:42] burden.
[2:36:42] and it allows you a chance to
[2:36:47] 
[2:36:47] figure things out.
[2:36:48] give your advisory council a
[2:36:49] chance to figure things out an
[2:36:51] d
[2:36:51] you all speaking with them and
[2:36:53] 
[2:36:53] as developments arise in terms
[2:36:55] 
[2:36:55] of how the data will be
[2:36:57] captured, all of that can come
[2:36:58] 
[2:36:58] in.
[2:36:58] you hear my concern.
[2:36:59] I'm trying to cobble this
[2:37:02] together on the fly here.
[2:37:04] but the motion is essentially t
[2:37:07] o
[2:37:07] involve the police advisory
[2:37:09] council in an ongoing way to b
[2:37:12] e
[2:37:14] able to analyze this -- the dat
[2:37:15] a
[2:37:15] that has been captured from the
[2:37:17] 
[2:37:18] red light cameras.
[2:37:19] >> got it.
[2:37:21] >> mayor: is there a second?
[2:37:22] we have a motion and a second.
[2:37:24] 
[2:37:24] commissioner ingle?
[2:37:27] >> I will get it after this
[2:37:29] motion.
[2:37:29] >> mayor: gotcha.
[2:37:30] okay.
[2:37:30] mr. Manager?
[2:37:32] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:37:33] I was going to point out, too,
[2:37:35] 
[2:37:35] we can certainly include this
[2:37:36] 
[2:37:36] information as we collect it I
[2:37:37] n
[2:37:37] the quarterly reports and
[2:37:39] presentations that g.d.p. Gives
[2:37:40] 
[2:37:40] you all, too.
[2:37:41] >> excellent.
[2:37:42] >> mayor: very good.
[2:37:43] commissioner book?
[2:37:44] >> yeah, commissioner
[2:37:46] duncan-walker, more community
[2:37:47] 
[2:37:47] sentiment and evaluation does
[2:37:49] 
[2:37:49] not hurt is us in any way.
[2:37:51] it is a good thing, and I think
[2:37:52] 
[2:37:52] the mayor pro tem was eluding t
[2:37:54] o
[2:37:54] that, too.
[2:37:55] any way we get that and as
[2:37:57] things go on, I think is a goo
[2:37:58] d
[2:37:58] idea.
[2:37:58] thank you.
[2:37:59] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:38:00] commissioner book.
[2:38:01] all in favor please say aye.
[2:38:02] any opposed?
[2:38:03] all right.
[2:38:03] that passes unanimously.
[2:38:04] commissioner ingle, did you hav
[2:38:06] e
[2:38:06] something to add?
[2:38:06] >> yeah, just to throw onto
[2:38:09] that.
[2:38:09] I think we have talked about I
[2:38:11] t
[2:38:11] every time this has come up, a
[2:38:12] n
[2:38:13] issue and the concerns as part
[2:38:14] 
[2:38:14] of the report and as part of the
[2:38:16] 
[2:38:16] feedback and everything else, I
[2:38:17] 
[2:38:18] really want to get some answer
[2:38:20] 
[2:38:20] on how many of those red light
[2:38:21] 
[2:38:23] tickets are rolling over into
[2:38:25] 
[2:38:25] traffic tickets and not just a
[2:38:27] 
[2:38:27] civil violation, but actually
[2:38:28] 
[2:38:28] rolled over to that.
[2:38:29] and I know you said there was
[2:38:32] 
[2:38:32] complications in figuring out
[2:38:33] 
[2:38:33] where that information was hel
[2:38:34] d
[2:38:34] and all that, but I want to mak
[2:38:35] e
[2:38:35] sure as part of the report we
[2:38:36] are getting an update of how
[2:38:38] many of these civil violations
[2:38:40] 
[2:38:40] end up rolling over into the
[2:38:43] standard traffic violations.
[2:38:44] thank you.
[2:38:45] >> mayor: all right.
[2:38:46] thank you, commissioner ingle.
[2:38:47] 
[2:38:47] all right.
[2:38:48] I see no no further lights.
[2:38:51] we will reconvene at 1:00.
[0:00] .
[23:48:52] >> mayor: good afternoon,
[3:42] everyone.
[3:42] welcome to the afternoon
[3:43] association of this april 2nd,
[3:47] 
[3:47] 2026, city commission meeting.
[3:47] 
[3:47] the afternoon will be just as
[3:49] packed as the morning was.
[3:51] madam clerk.
[3:52] >> mr. Mayor, we have the
[3:57] gainesville history moment to b
[3:58] e
[3:58] presented by ms. Donna waller.
[4:00] 
[4:00] >> mayor: welcome.
[4:04] good to see you.
[4:06] >> always nice to see you
[4:09] folks.
[4:09] today some of you may remember
[4:15] 
[4:15] that I was, that last time I was
[4:17] 
[4:17] here, I talked about essential
[4:22] ly
[4:22] the african american background
[4:26] 
[4:26] of gainesville and own one of
[4:30] the things I pointed out was t
[4:31] he
[4:31] pleasant striet          plez --
[4:34] pleasant
[4:34] street neighborhood wasn't jus
[4:36] t
[4:36] gainesville's first african
[4:36] american neighborhood but it wa
[4:37] s
[4:37] really gainesville's first real
[4:42] 
[4:42] neighborhood, and so today wha
[4:45] t
[4:45] I want to talk about is what w
[4:49] as
[4:49] actually the first real white
[4:54] neighborhood in gainesville.
[4:56] and I want to start and ask you
[5:00] 
[5:00] to sort of consider this fact,
[5:04] 
[5:04] which plays off something else
[5:06] I
[5:06] said last month.
[5:08] which is that in 1860, which I
[5:12] s
[5:12] the year when the civil war
[5:14] broke out, gainesville had 223
[5:21] 
[5:21] white residents according to th
[5:25] e
[5:25] 1860 census.
[5:26] so when you think about the
[5:29] development of gainesville, yo
[5:32] u
[5:32] want to recognize that at, sor
[5:39] t
[5:39] of the moment of chartering in
[5:41] 
[5:41] many ways, gainesville really
[5:45] only had what we would think o
[5:48] f
[5:48] as a block of permanent white
[5:53] residents.
[5:53] and just like pleasant street
[5:58] and the african american
[6:00] population grew because of the
[6:04] 
[6:04] war and the railroads, so did
[6:08] the white population, and you
[6:10] might recall that I said that
[6:14] african americans and people o
[6:16] f
[6:16] color were majority of this
[6:18] county.
[6:18] up through the 1880s.
[6:24] and it was, it was the railroads
[6:27] 
[6:27] that changed all that.
[6:30] gainesville was very lucky tha
[6:32] t
[6:32] the union armies did not pull u
[6:34] p
[6:34] the railroad tracks during the
[6:37] 
[6:37] war.
[6:37] and by the 1880s, the
[6:39] railroads had expanded greatly
[6:43] 
[6:43] in florida, but I'm always
[6:46] learning new stuff, and this I
[6:49] s
[6:49] the new one for this time.
[6:51] I did not properly understand
[6:53] until last week that gainesvil
[6:57] le
[6:57] was essentially the last
[7:00] railroad stop in central flori
[7:05] da
[7:05] until after 1900.
[7:10] if you wanted to come to florida
[7:12] 
[7:12] and go further south, you had t
[7:16] o
[7:16] take a wagon train or some oth
[7:19] er
[7:19] kind of vehicle.
[7:23] so when you think about why we
[7:25] 
[7:25] have that train on our seal up
[7:29] 
[7:29] above the mayor's head, it's
[7:32] because this town was really
[7:34] made by the railroads in a ver
[7:37] y
[7:37] real sense.
[7:39] and by the 1880s, what, what
[7:43] that railroad had done was to
[7:45] make this area the single
[7:49] largest producer of sea island
[7:54] 
[7:54] cotton in the entire state of
[7:56] florida.
[7:56] and two-thirds of the state's
[8:02] agricultural products were
[8:04] shipped out of gainesville.
[8:09] and so what you kind of have t
[8:16] o
[8:16] understand is that after the w
[8:20] ar
[8:20] and by the 1880s, people were
[8:22] moving into the area and movin
[8:24] g
[8:24] into gainesville for economic
[8:28] reasons.
[8:28] it was really boom time here.
[8:31] there hadn't been a lot of
[8:34] damage during the war, and it
[8:37] was all about cotton and
[8:40] oranges, and then in the
[8:42] 1890s, there were series of
[8:46] big freezes that simply wiped
[8:50] out agriculture, but lucky for
[8:53] 
[8:53] us, by the time that occurred,
[8:59] 
[8:59] florida had begun to be a
[9:02] tourist attraction.
[9:04] and again, the railroads broug
[9:09] ht
[9:09] the tourists down here.
[9:12] and what happened around 1900
[9:17] was the first of the florida
[9:21] great real estate booms, and
[9:24] gainesville really benefited
[9:28] from that, and the specific
[9:34] neighborhood I want to talk
[9:35] about today is actually the duc
[9:39] k
[9:39] pond.
[9:39] if you think about the growth o
[9:44] f
[9:44] gainesville and those 223
[9:49] people, most of them lived on
[9:50] warlz or plantation houses.
[9:52] if you look at that little hou
[9:54] se
[9:54] over on the math eosin propert
[9:57] y,
[9:57] that was the original farm
[9:59] house, and it was up on a hill,
[10:02] 
[10:02] and there was nothing around I
[10:04] t
[10:04] until the math    matheson's b
[10:11] uilt
[10:11] the better house where the muse
[10:12] 
[10:12] ement is and that did not happe
[10:13] n
[10:13] until the 1890s.
[10:16] so beginning in the early
[10:19] 1900s, there was a real estate
[10:23] 
[10:23] boom, and one of the developer
[10:25] s
[10:25] is a name that you've heard a
[10:27] lot from me, mr. William ruben
[10:33] 
[10:33] thomas of the thomas center.
[10:36] and you'll recall that someone
[10:39] 
[10:39] else started his house, which
[10:41] was called sun kissed villa, a
[10:45] nd
[10:45] he took it over and finished I
[10:47] t
[10:47] in 1910 and while that was goi
[10:51] ng
[10:51] on, he started developing an
[10:55] adjacent area to his house,
[10:58] which is now the thomas center,
[11:01] 
[11:01] and it was called sun   sunkist
[11:07] 
[11:07] like the sun kissed villa, and
[11:09] a
[11:09] number of the houses in the duc
[11:11] k
[11:11] pond that are built in the
[11:14] 1890s are part of the original
[11:19] 
[11:19] sun kissed development which w
[11:24] as
[11:24] around thomas' house, but the
[11:26] real story of the duck pond is
[11:29] 
[11:29] one of his neighbors.
[11:32] in 1910a man named james
[11:36] videl -- vidal moved into a
[11:40] house pretty close to where
[11:43] thomas lived about a block awa
[11:46] y
[11:46] from the thomas estate.
[11:50] and in 1922, he talked william
[11:56] 
[11:56] ruben thomas into selling him a
[12:00] 
[12:00] lot of the acreage around the
[12:03] thomas center, and it was to
[12:07] become a development that came
[12:09] 
[12:09] to be called the highlands
[12:14] neighborhood.
[12:14] and in 1926, vidal who was
[12:20] actually a kind of a sybil
[12:22] engineer and a city planner
[12:27] dammed a part of sweetwater
[12:29] creek and created what was
[12:34] maybe, there's a contending,
[12:38] another contender here, but in
[12:42] 
[12:42] 1926 what vidal did was to
[12:46] create the first public park I
[12:50] n
[12:50] gainesville.
[12:50] inside the city of gainesville.
[12:52] 
[12:52] and that was the duck pond.
[12:56] and if you walk around the duc
[12:59] k
[12:59] pond area, you'll see that man
[13:04] y
[13:04] of the houses are from the
[13:07] 1920s in the northeast
[13:10] historic area.
[13:11] some of them date from the fir
[13:14] st
[13:14] wave, the sun kissed
[13:16] development, but a lot of the
[13:19] houses in the duck pond were
[13:20] built in the 1920s as part of
[13:23] the highland neighborhood.
[13:27] and it really was in many ways
[13:32] 
[13:32] the first downtown white
[13:36] neighborhood in gainesville
[13:39] starting in the -- around 1900
[13:42] 
[13:42] and then with a big growth spu
[13:46] rt
[13:46] in the 1920s.
[13:48] and that was when the duck pon
[13:50] d
[13:50] appeared, and in 1980, the
[13:56] entire northeast historic
[14:00] district was put on the nationa
[14:03] l
[14:03] register of historic places, a
[14:07] nd
[14:07] if you walk around the duck
[14:09] pond, you see a huge range of
[14:12] architectural styles in these
[14:15] houses that were essentially
[14:17] built from 1900 through about
[14:23] 1927 or so.
[14:25] >> mayor: thank you so much.
[14:26] appreciate it.
[14:28] all right.
[14:28] madam clerk.
[14:30] >> mr. Mayor, we have early
[14:32] public comment, but we don't
[14:33] have anyone signed up there.
[14:35] we currently have six speakers
[14:36] 
[14:36] for general public comment.
[14:39] I'm going to say the person
[14:40] speaking and then a couple of
[14:42] after so people know who's
[14:43] coming up next.
[14:45] margaret delisle followed by
[14:46] billy rohan and then ryan
[14:49] bornet.
[14:49] >> mayor: okay, so before anyon
[14:51] e
[14:51] starts let me just give a quick
[14:53] 
[14:53] primer because I know there are
[14:54] 
[14:54] some folks here who are going t
[14:56] o
[14:56] want to speak who have not bee
[14:57] n
[14:57] regulars here so just as a
[14:58] reminder, when we call you up t
[15:03] o
[15:03] lectern, first of all, let me
[15:06] say we've had am some folks
[15:08] soo-- had some folks sign up f
[15:10] or
[15:10] general public comment and
[15:11] that's great.
[15:11] if you're here to speak to an
[15:12] item that's on the agenda later
[15:14] 
[15:14] on, we'll call you for that ite
[15:16] m
[15:16] as well just please make sure
[15:17] you fill a form out so the
[15:18] clerk's office can do that
[15:20] effectively.
[15:20] when you come up, there is thr
[15:23] ee
[15:23] little lights on the lectern a
[15:25] nd
[15:25] a light is green, you have the
[15:28] ,
[15:28] you'll start off with three ful
[15:29] l
[15:29] minutes to talk and I'm not
[15:30] going to court    cut you off
[15:35] midsentence but if the light I
[15:36] s
[15:36] green, you've got plenty of
[15:37] time.
[15:37] light turns yellow you want to
[15:39] 
[15:39] start winding down.
[15:40] when the light turn reds when
[15:41] you get to the end of a thought
[15:42] 
[15:42] I'm going to ask you to please
[15:43] 
[15:43] wrap up so that's just the
[15:44] general way of how we do it.
[15:47] so.
[15:47] >> so our first speaker is
[15:48] margaret delisle, also to let
[15:51] you know room 16 has been opene
[15:53] d
[15:53] because we are packed full in
[15:55] here so we may need to have som
[15:56] e
[15:56] time to get people from there.
[15:59] 
[15:59] followed by billy rohan and the
[16:01] n
[16:01] prien     ryan burnette are on
[16:04] 
[16:04] deck.
[16:04] >> mayor: all right,
[16:06] ms. Delisle.
[16:08] hello, I'm margaret.
[16:10] I have cept many e-mails of
[16:13] various topics, but today I cam
[16:15] e
[16:15] to talk about the traffic
[16:17] lights.
[16:17] I didn't know the first session
[16:18] 
[16:18] was going to be about traffic
[16:21] lights, so it's a fun
[16:22] coincidence but as I've driven
[16:25] 
[16:25] around this town and I came her
[16:27] e
[16:27] from atlanta and so I've drive
[16:28] n
[16:28] through atlanta, I've noticed
[16:30] how much an impact improperly
[16:33] timed lights have on pretty muc
[16:34] h
[16:34] every aspect of our day to day
[16:37] 
[16:37] lives.
[16:37] and how strange it is that we'
[16:40] re
[16:40] still relying on such as stati
[16:44] c
[16:44] way of viewing traffic, which I
[16:45] s
[16:45] inherently adaptable and ever
[16:47] shifting according to condition
[16:50] s
[16:50] that include both just how you
[16:53] r
[16:53] populous is doing mentally, the
[16:54] 
[16:54] weather, the things that happe
[16:57] n
[16:57] on I-75, and so I really came
[17:00] down here just today to bring u
[17:03] p
[17:03] the topic of finding new ways t
[17:06] o
[17:06] direct traffic that have more t
[17:09] o
[17:09] do with how life actually works
[17:11] 
[17:11] and how we want liev to be
[17:14] because I understand you know,
[17:16] 
[17:16] the routines that we have
[17:17] throughout the day are what
[17:19] causes congestion in the morni
[17:21] ng
[17:21] and the evening, but when I was
[17:23] 
[17:23] driving here, today even, I was
[17:26] 
[17:26] stopped at a stoplight on main
[17:29] 
[17:29] street, next to southwest 16
[17:32] ave., and there were no cars
[17:34] coming from the other direction
[17:35] s
[17:35] but we just sat there for like
[17:36] 
[17:36] about a minute, maybe two, and
[17:40] 
[17:40] that's just not the way that y
[17:43] ou
[17:43] most efficiently direct people.
[17:45] 
[17:45] so you asked the question of
[17:47] what can you do to make people
[17:49] 
[17:49] stop for stoplights, for publi
[17:51] c
[17:51] safety, and one of those thing
[17:53] s
[17:53] is that you need to build up
[17:55] that trust between the
[17:57] individual driving and the
[17:59] infrastructure itself because a
[18:00] s
[18:00] it currently is, I've lost tru
[18:03] st
[18:03] in it.
[18:04] I'm willing to respect the
[18:05] government because I enjoy thi
[18:07] s
[18:07] town.
[18:07] I enjoy the commissioners.
[18:09] I love that they have put up
[18:11] with, you know, some of my
[18:12] shenanigans, but just because I
[18:16] 
[18:16] have that trust does not mean
[18:17] that everyone else in the
[18:19] community is going to maintain
[18:20] 
[18:20] that trust.
[18:21] whether we're constantly being
[18:23] 
[18:23] left to sit on university and
[18:28] 441 and just not be able to mov
[18:31] e
[18:31] when there is nobody on the
[18:32] way.
[18:32] so if you really, really truly
[18:34] 
[18:34] do want to address the issue
[18:36] with the red lights, then we
[18:38] need to find a better solution
[18:40] 
[18:40] instead of tying every single
[18:42] aspectf our infrastructure to
[18:44] three badly timed lights light
[18:46] s
[18:46] on 441.
[18:47] thank you.
[18:48] >> mayor: thank you.
[18:49] >> billy rohan followed by rya
[18:51] n
[18:51] bornet and annie rochelle.
[18:55] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Rohan.
[18:56] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[18:58] [off mic]
[19:01] greetings and good afternoon,
[19:04] mayor ward, commissioners
[19:05] eastman, commissioner ingle,
[19:09] commissioner desmon walker and
[19:11] 
[19:11] commissioner books and
[19:12] commissioner willits.
[19:14] thank you for your time.
[19:16] my name is billy rohan.
[19:17] for years I have stood at this
[19:19] 
[19:19] podium in the city hall to
[19:21] ensure the voices of district 3
[19:24] 
[19:24] are heard.
[19:25] now I am asking for the
[19:27] opportunity to bring that same
[19:28] 
[19:28] dedication to the dais.
[19:30] our neighbors in southwest
[19:32] gainesville deserve a
[19:33] representative who prioritizes
[19:35] 
[19:35] fiscal accountability and commo
[19:37] n
[19:37] sense solutions.
[19:39] citizens' concerns about
[19:40] addressing utility
[19:42] accountability, addressing the
[19:46] 
[19:46] $1.7 billion gru debt, and
[19:48] stabilizing rates for residents
[19:49] 
[19:49] of gainesville.
[19:51] a smart infrastructure, by
[19:53] fixing traffic, the bottlenecks
[19:55] 
[19:55] along the archer road corridor,
[19:57] 
[19:57] and ensuring pedestrian safety
[20:00] 
[20:00] near haile plantation and tower
[20:03] 
[20:03] road, and finally, through
[20:04] community investment, protecting
[20:07] the public spaces and parks
[20:11] deaght life here in gainesville
[20:12] ,
[20:12] florida, that we all enjoy.
[20:14] and gainesville in general.
[20:17] thank you for your time.
[20:18] I look forward to serving the
[20:20] community of gainesville.
[20:23] thanks for giving me so much
[20:25] this city has in the last 45
[20:27] years growing up here from goin
[20:29] g
[20:29] to school at duval elementary
[20:31] school to gainesville high
[20:33] school to new pathways and
[20:35] horizons, everything that the
[20:37] city has offered me, I really
[20:39] appreciate it.
[20:40] I hope y'all have a great rest
[20:41] 
[20:41] of your day, and a wonderful a
[20:43] nd
[20:43] happy easter.
[20:44] thank you for your time agod
[20:45] bless you.
[20:50] >> mayor: thank you.
[20:50] >> we have ryan bornet followed
[20:51] 
[20:51] by -- and jim konish.
[20:52] to.
[20:52] >> mayor: very good.
[20:53] welcome.
[20:53] >> hi.
[20:55] mr. Mayor and commissione
[20:56] appreciate your time and
[20:59] attention.
[20:59] -- on behalf of multiple
[21:02] stakeholders when it comes to
[21:03] the business community, and I
[21:04] wanted to readdress something,
[21:06] a
[21:06] change that took place in
[21:09] december and in january with
[21:11] one-way pairs.
[21:13] I speak on behalf of bagels
[21:15] company gator beverage which I
[21:17] s
[21:17] my business, it's been our
[21:18] family business in town for 35
[21:20] 
[21:20] years, the sweetwater coffee
[21:22] company, jungle boys and then
[21:25] smokeville.
[21:25] since this change has taken
[21:29] place, we've seen a significant
[21:32] 
[21:32] impact financially to all of o
[21:34] ur
[21:34] businesses in a very negative
[21:36] way, and it, it certainly has
[21:39] been a struggle to keep up
[21:41] with.
[21:41] access for businesses is very
[21:44] important.
[21:44] when I grew up I grew up in a
[21:46] divorced household.
[21:47] my mother and father both ran
[21:48] their own businesses, and they
[21:51] 
[21:51] instilled a philosophy in me
[21:53] that I carry and credit a lot o
[21:55] f
[21:55] our success in the business
[21:58] scope, which is competition
[22:00] makes you better.
[22:02] if it's bad, you turn it into
[22:04] a
[22:04] good.
[22:04] and the reason I'm standing up
[22:06] 
[22:06] here today is I'm struggling
[22:08] deeply along with everyone in
[22:11] the business community I
[22:12] mentioned, with finding the
[22:14] positive with the changes that
[22:15] 
[22:15] have taken place.
[22:17] what we've experienced is worse
[22:19] 
[22:19] traffic.
[22:19] we've experienced the financial
[22:21] 
[22:21] impact, our roadways are now
[22:24] worse than they were previousl
[22:25] y
[22:25] as far as the condition of the
[22:28] 
[22:28] roads.
[22:28] the neighborhood is suffering.
[22:30] 
[22:30] back in the december 4th
[22:31] meeting that the community spo
[22:34] ke
[22:34] in in a prominent business
[22:35] leader spoke, everyone spoke I
[22:38] n
[22:38] opposition of the changes, and
[22:40] 
[22:40] becauseof this arpa money, it
[22:42] really came off after the fact
[22:45] 
[22:45] that this was a railroad
[22:46] project.
[22:46] this was just shoved down our
[22:50] throats, and I would love to
[22:53] find the optimistic side of
[22:54] these changes.
[22:54] I watch public safety as a maj
[22:57] or
[22:57] issue.
[22:57] I had a police officer running
[22:59] 
[22:59] down the one way -- wrong way
[23:00] two days ago because there was
[23:02] a
[23:02] criminal on the loose.
[23:04] and what does that tell me?
[23:05] that tells me that access to
[23:06] emergency response is worse.
[23:08] I'm a bicyclist.
[23:10] I am the definition of vision
[23:13] zero, I ride my bike four days
[23:15] a
[23:16] week 30 minutes both ways to
[23:17] work.
[23:17] and not one time when we had t
[23:21] he
[23:21] bike boulevard before the
[23:22] changes did I ever think that I
[23:23] 
[23:23] needed more bike lanes.
[23:24] or mike changes to the
[23:27] infrastructure.
[23:27] this is a transient community.
[23:29] 
[23:29] we train everyone on the one
[23:30] ways, wait until august.
[23:32] we have to train everyone all
[23:33] over again.
[23:34] it's -- everyone goes the wrong
[23:36] 
[23:36] way on the one ways.
[23:37] it's dangerouses, and no one's
[23:40] ,
[23:40] we're not slowing down drivers
[23:41] .
[23:41] we're not changing drivers.
[23:42] and frankly I think it's very
[23:44] biased towards all the people
[23:46] that deserve the right to
[23:47] drive.
[23:47] I talk to neighborhood people
[23:50] all the time and now they're
[23:51] more inconvenienced than ever.
[23:52] 
[23:52] they can't ride a bike.
[23:54] they have to drive.
[23:55] and now they're circling back
[23:58] five different ways to
[23:59] accomplish something.
[23:59] I know I've spoken withyou
[24:00] individually.
[24:00] and we've talked about --
[24:04] obviously that's something tha
[24:05] t
[24:05] I would like to continue to mov
[24:07] e
[24:07] towards with the commission, but
[24:09] 
[24:09] I just want to be on the recor
[24:11] d
[24:11] and open that the two-way was a
[24:17] 
[24:17] successful model and this chang
[24:18] e
[24:18] has been very, very harmful to
[24:19] 
[24:19] the businesses in the community
[24:22] ,
[24:22] and you know at the commission
[24:23] 
[24:23] meeting that you voted against
[24:25] 
[24:25] everyone in the community, tha
[24:26] t
[24:26] was also said and now the
[24:29] businesses are here trying to
[24:30] also acknowledge that.
[24:31] thank you.
[24:32] >> mayor: thank you.
[24:34] so I will ask that we, we
[24:36] generally try not to clap or
[24:38] cheer or jeer because the side
[24:41] 
[24:41] you're on right now might not b
[24:42] e
[24:42] the side that you're on next
[24:43] time it happens so please try t
[24:44] o
[24:44] keep that from doing that.
[24:48] >> annie rochelle followed by
[24:49] jim konish and justin smith.
[24:52] >> mayor: welcome.
[24:53] >> thank you all.
[24:56] unfortunately but fortunately
[24:57] I'll sorry I have to be here
[24:58] with this but fortunately I'm
[25:01] glad I can bring it to you guy
[25:03] s'
[25:03] attention.
[25:03] on 3/9 I was concerned with my
[25:12] 
[25:12] electric bill being so high, s
[25:14] o
[25:14] I with gan to research over
[25:15] maybe -- began to research ove
[25:17] 
[25:17] maybe what could cause it to go
[25:19] 
[25:19] to that level and I realized
[25:19] that my, the container garbage
[25:25] 
[25:25] container fee on there was not
[25:27] 
[25:27] what I thought it should be.
[25:30] that I was supposed to be payin
[25:32] g
[25:32] for.
[25:32] so I rirched my bill for march
[25:37] 
[25:37] it was consistent of this year.
[25:40] 
[25:40] for '25 I had four different
[25:43] fees for that.
[25:45] 20.56, 31.80, 33.50, 41.52.
[25:50] so I called.
[25:53] I said that can't be.
[25:55] and I've had that problem
[25:57] before, so I called, and I
[25:59] talked with the young lady.
[26:01] she said yes, ms. Rochelle.
[26:03] inconsistency.
[26:03] let me get back, let me get bac
[26:07] k
[26:07] with you so she put me on hold
[26:12] 
[26:12] and said so she said well, som
[26:13] e
[26:13] of the prices changed.
[26:15] something, I could have maybe
[26:19] overlooked.
[26:19] so we go on that was on a
[26:21] monday.
[26:21] so I said well, I don't need a
[26:24] 
[26:24] bigger container.
[26:25] I want what I initially started
[26:27] 
[26:27] with.
[26:27] I moved there 2020.
[26:32] and so therefore it wasn't the
[26:36] 
[26:36] price that for that retainer.
[26:39] and -- container.
[26:40] and so therefore, I said no,
[26:42] this is not right.
[26:43] this is just not good.
[26:44] and so she said okay well I'll
[26:47] 
[26:47] forward it forward.
[26:49] that was that monday.
[26:51] tuesday, wednesday, they came
[26:52] and changed out the garbage can
[26:55] 
[26:55] to what I really wanted.
[26:58] and so thursday go by, friday
[27:01] come, I never heard anything
[27:03] back.
[27:03] I pick up the phone, I called
[27:05] them.
[27:05] and I asked them.
[27:08] I said hey, what was the deal o
[27:10] n
[27:10] this?
[27:10] what  what happened?
[27:12] they said well ms. Rochelle, I
[27:15] 'm
[27:15] sorry, there is nothing we can
[27:16] 
[27:16] do because you called before.
[27:17] I said I did.
[27:19] and they say, I said yes, about
[27:21] 
[27:21] my, about the rates not being
[27:23] the same before, consistent
[27:24] before.
[27:24] she said no, that was gru
[27:28] fault.
[27:28] and so therefore they say I sa
[27:31] id
[27:31] well that was warranted then.
[27:34] and so, and so she said no, you
[27:38] 
[27:38] call before, and I said yeah, I
[27:42] 
[27:42] said I did.
[27:43] I called back about debris bei
[27:45] ng
[27:45] put in my yard, by the city
[27:47] workers.
[27:47] and so she said yes, that is
[27:49] what I'm talking about.
[27:52] I said, she said because of that
[27:55] 
[27:55] and you did not bring that to
[27:56] our attention then, we can't
[27:58] help you now basically.
[28:01] and I said but that was then a
[28:04] nd
[28:04] that was about something else
[28:05] and this is now.
[28:07] when I did that, that was in '
[28:10] 23
[28:10] and '24, october --
[28:14] >> mayor: I'm going to ask you
[28:16] 
[28:16] to wrap up if you will.
[28:17] -- manager's office --
[28:18] >> okay.
[28:19] well nevertheless, I was told
[28:21] that there was nothing -- I
[28:22] don't feel that I should or
[28:23] anybody else should be
[28:25] retaliated against for making a
[28:26] 
[28:26] complaint.
[28:26] I pay my taxes.
[28:28] I pay my utility fees.
[28:30] I pay my state taxes.
[28:32] I do what I'm supposed to, and
[28:34] I
[28:34] have a right I did not know that
[28:36] 
[28:36] the city had a limit on the
[28:40] complaints or a timeline.
[28:42] >> mayor: so there is clearly a
[28:43] 
[28:43] misunderstanding.
[28:43] we'll have someone from the
[28:45] manager's office talk with you
[28:46] ,
[28:46] okay?
[28:46] all right.
[28:47] thank you.
[28:48] >> thank you.
[28:49] thank you all.
[28:50] no that was for them to see.
[28:51] [laughter]
[28:51] >> we have jim konish followed
[28:55] 
[28:55] by justin smith and kali
[28:58] blount.
[28:58] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Konish.
[29:00] 
[29:00] >> mr. Mayor, jim konish, good
[29:01] 
[29:01] afternoon.
[29:01] like the overhead, please.
[29:04] in 1997, alachua county rolled
[29:09] 
[29:09] out a, what was called a
[29:10] privilege fee.
[29:12] and everyone that was anyone I
[29:16] n
[29:16] intervened, and the honorable
[29:20] frederick smith an iconic judge
[29:22] 
[29:22] concluded that this was an
[29:29] unconstitutional tax and that'
[29:30] s
[29:30] because when you let a utility
[29:31] 
[29:31] into your right-of-way for fre
[29:33] e
[29:33] for 100 years, and they get
[29:36] comfortable in there, you can't
[29:38] 
[29:38] like have second thoughts about
[29:41] 
[29:41] it and sap a franchise fee
[29:43] because a franchise fee has to
[29:45] 
[29:45] be negotiated in a contract.
[29:48] so the city of gainesville and
[29:51] 
[29:51] alachua county commission let
[29:53] gru enter their rights-of-way
[29:55] without any kind of contract a
[29:58] nd
[29:58] they're going to stay there
[30:00] forever without any kind of
[30:01] contract and your franchise fee
[30:02] 
[30:02] that you're discussing is
[30:03] illegal, sir.
[30:05] it's a tax, and mr.-- knows
[30:09] this.
[30:09] in terms of you meeting your
[30:11] budget, the first thing you
[30:12] should do is stop paying for t
[30:13] he
[30:13] county street lights.
[30:15] they're not entitled to any
[30:17] compensation for gru's use of
[30:21] their right-of-way and in fact
[30:22] 
[30:22] they have to get on their knees
[30:23] 
[30:23] and beg to save a few live oak
[30:25] 
[30:25] trees because they cannot even
[30:27] 
[30:27] regulate the use of right-of-wa
[30:28] y
[30:28] and I want to remind you you'v
[30:30] e
[30:30] passed an ordinance purporting
[30:32] 
[30:32] to require gru permits in your
[30:34] 
[30:34] right-of-ways, and they have
[30:35] ignored it because it's
[30:36] illegal.
[30:36] not that they can't impose
[30:41] franchise fees.
[30:41] you can't impose conditions on
[30:44] 
[30:44] their occupancy of
[30:45] rights-of-way, sir, and I'm
[30:47] abhaized like you're eving --
[30:49] amazed you're even talking abo
[30:50] ut
[30:50] this.
[30:50] it's settled law, that's just
[30:52] the way it is.
[30:53] but the ult of gru to -- abili
[30:56] ty
[30:56] of gru to pay you any money is
[30:58] 
[30:58] limited by the legacy costs of
[31:02] 
[31:02] this commission's mismanagement
[31:04] 
[31:04] of gru.
[31:06] gru loses $46 million a year o
[31:09] n
[31:09] european style solar feeder
[31:12] tariff enjoyed by a former may
[31:14] or
[31:14] and her cronies.
[31:15] four to $6 million a year we're
[31:17] 
[31:17] in year 17 of a 20-year
[31:19] agreement, sir: gru pays
[31:26] $1.2 million to -- pollution a
[31:28] t
[31:28] depot park, sir, after spending
[31:30] 
[31:30] tens of millions.
[31:32] gru provides the county with
[31:33] free fire hydrants.
[31:35] costs them about a million a
[31:36] year.
[31:36] no justification for thithere
[31:40] is no recognition of it
[31:40] either.
[31:40] group -- $2 million a year
[31:43] because the services they
[31:45] provide to the city, the county,
[31:46] 
[31:46] and school board do not cover
[31:47] the costs so you're freeloading
[31:50] 
[31:50] on that level.
[31:53] private developer got gru to
[31:55] install a package plant in cro
[31:58] ss
[31:58] creek 16 miles from gru -- lin
[32:02] es
[32:02] it's failed gru is trucking the
[32:03] 
[32:03] sewage out of there.
[32:05] weekly at a loss of a third of
[32:07] a
[32:08] million dollars and I could go
[32:09] 
[32:09] but I'm out of time.
[32:10] thank you, sir.
[32:11] >> mayor: thank you,
[32:12] mr. Konish.
[32:12] I would remind everyone that t
[32:14] he
[32:14] city commission doesn't run
[32:15] gru.
[32:15] >> mr. Mayor, we're onto justin
[32:18] 
[32:18] smith, followed by kali blount
[32:21] 
[32:21] and andrew miles.
[32:22] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Smith.
[32:28] >> good afternoon, mr. Chair.
[32:30] I'm here today on behalf of th
[32:32] e
[32:32] community of individuals who
[32:33] live here downtown.
[32:35] they have many struggles.
[32:37] many suffer varying degrees of
[32:39] 
[32:39] mental health challenges, many
[32:41] 
[32:41] are victims of severe trauma a
[32:43] nd
[32:43] abuse, sometimes as children,
[32:46] sometimes in service of our
[32:48] country.
[32:48] sometimes both.
[32:51] often these friends of mine are
[32:52] 
[32:52] struggling to overcome
[32:53] addictions.
[32:53] many of them have spent
[32:56] significant time in prison.
[32:59] for a host of reasons, most hav
[33:01] e
[33:01] no support from family or
[33:04] friends, and now they are
[33:06] trapped and living a life on th
[33:08] e
[33:08] street.
[33:08] they are commonly lonely,
[33:11] afraid, anxious, angry,
[33:15] depressed, cold.
[33:17] and hungry.
[33:20] but there is one message that
[33:22] nearly all of these folks are
[33:24] given day in and day out; one
[33:27] lie that these image bearers o
[33:28] f
[33:28] god are constantly told.
[33:32] they are told that they are
[33:33] worthless.
[33:33] that tay don't matter.
[33:37] that it is the same lie that
[33:39] many of them have been told for
[33:40] 
[33:40] so long that they've come to
[33:44] believe it.
[33:44] mr. Chair, I don't think you
[33:46] believe this lie anymore than I
[33:47] 
[33:47] do.
[33:47] and I would like to thank you
[33:50] and our city for the many
[33:52] efforts made to support this
[33:53] vulnerable portion of our
[33:55] population.
[33:55] however.
[33:55] as you are aware, our community
[34:00] 
[34:00] has recently suffered an
[34:01] incredible loss in services due
[34:04] 
[34:04] to the closure of st. Francis
[34:06] house.
[34:06] it is impossible to overstate
[34:09] the importance of providing
[34:12] daily hot meals and a shower t
[34:15] o
[34:15] people in need.
[34:18] therefore, I encourage you to
[34:21] look for and doggedly pursue
[34:23] future partnerships to help fil
[34:25] l
[34:25] this gap as opportunities
[34:29] arise.
[34:29] please continue the work of
[34:31] serving these members of our
[34:33] community.
[34:33] my friends on the street.
[34:36] thank you for your time.
[34:38] >> mayor: thank you.
[34:40] >> mr. Mayor, we have kali
[34:43] blount and then mr. Andrew
[34:44] miles.
[34:44] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Blount.
[34:49] 
[34:49] >> thank you.
[34:50] I attended an event about net
[34:53] zero the other day at the bloun
[34:56] t
[34:56] center, and as is too ovthe cas
[35:00] e
[35:00] in -- often the case in the cit
[35:03] y
[35:03] outreach events we the public
[35:04] got to sit and hear
[35:05] presentations from staffs of
[35:07] several departments and the we
[35:10] 
[35:10] the public did not get to give
[35:12] 
[35:12] our questions and statements to
[35:14] 
[35:14] the whole room to all staff and
[35:17] 
[35:17] public present.
[35:17] that is, we were told well vis
[35:20] it
[35:20] each table and but that's not
[35:22] speaking to the room and to
[35:24] everybody.
[35:24] so about these, about net zero.
[35:28] 
[35:28] I'm going to rattle off as lis
[35:30] t
[35:30] as quick as I can in this time
[35:31] 
[35:31] frame.
[35:31] all offender ignition interlock
[35:35] 
[35:35] laws, has to do with d.u.I.,
[35:38] .05% blood alcohol content and
[35:40] 
[35:40] strict penalty laws as far as
[35:41] revocation for repeat
[35:42] offenders.
[35:42] primary front seat belt laws.
[35:45] primary rear seat belt laws.
[35:50] speed cameras.
[35:50] reduced speed limits where
[35:52] appropriate.
[35:52] all driver handheld devices
[35:55] banned.
[35:55] graduated driver licensing for
[36:00] 
[36:00] teens including younger permit
[36:01] 
[36:01] age.
[36:01] not younger license but a longer
[36:05] 
[36:05] supervised learning period.
[36:06] mandatory supervised hours fra
[36:10] t
[36:10] learning.
[36:10] nighttime driving restrictions,
[36:12] 
[36:12] passenger restrictions, this I
[36:13] s
[36:13] again with young people.
[36:14] intermediate license age.
[36:17] other safety laws.
[36:19] rear facing carseat law for
[36:21] small children.
[36:21] booster seat law.
[36:24] motorcycle helmet laws.
[36:25] that one stands out to me havin
[36:27] g
[36:27] seen many scrambled
[36:28] motorcyclistsbrains in the e.r
[36:31] .
[36:31] all driver alcohol open
[36:33] container law.
[36:34] slow down move over laws.
[36:36] this list of laws is done in
[36:40] those states that have the
[36:41] lowest traffic accident deaths.
[36:45] 
[36:45] so I favor your net zero effor
[36:49] ts
[36:49] here but your problem is in
[36:51] tallahassee.
[36:51] florida has three of these 17
[36:55] laws.
[36:55] and if they care about the
[36:58] public, in tallahassee, they
[37:00] ought to be passing these laws.
[37:04] 
[37:04] instead of listening to private
[37:07] 
[37:07] interests that want to limit
[37:10] these laws.
[37:10] for instance, motorcycle helme
[37:13] ts
[37:13] used to be the law.
[37:15] and some people put on a
[37:17] powerful lobbying effort to get
[37:19] 
[37:19] rid of that and in fact the lea
[37:22] d
[37:22] lobbyist died of head injuries
[37:23] 
[37:23] in a motorcycle crash.
[37:27] so these laws are needed to
[37:28] really reach your goal.
[37:31] >> mayor: I don't think anybody
[37:32] 
[37:32] here disagrees with you,
[37:32] mr. Blount.
[37:34] >> andrew miles.
[37:36] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Miles.
[37:37] >> our last speaker.
[37:42] >> good afternoon, y'all.
[37:45] I'm here at this particular
[37:46] point to talk to y'all about
[37:48] property boundaries on the
[37:50] northeast side of town.
[37:52] the properties on the west,
[37:54] east, south and north side of
[37:57] all the properties in east
[37:59] gainesville, it's all by about
[38:02] 
[38:02] five feet.
[38:06] and on all the sides now, it's
[38:09] 
[38:09] started to affect the residents
[38:12] 
[38:12] because we got lot of new homes
[38:13] 
[38:13] that are being built on the eas
[38:15] t
[38:15] side now.
[38:17] all before when people rur
[38:18] building their most of it was
[38:21] residents that was living there
[38:23] 
[38:23] before, and so they didn't arg
[38:24] ue
[38:24] with each other and they kind o
[38:26] f
[38:26] let people kept their fences up
[38:28] 
[38:28] and stuff like that.
[38:29] but now there's a lot of new
[38:31] properties that have been built
[38:32] 
[38:32] by homeowners and they're
[38:36] measuring the property, and
[38:38] they're finding that it's five
[38:39] 
[38:39] feet off on all sides all the
[38:41] way around in fact my property
[38:43] 
[38:43] my front yard goes five feet
[38:46] into a roadway so half of the
[38:49] roadway is part of my property.
[38:51] 
[38:51] and I found out that in my
[38:53] backyard where I had got a
[38:55] permit to build a garage stora
[38:59] ge
[38:59] unit back there, that four fee
[39:03] tf
[39:03] that property does not belong t
[39:03] o
[39:03] me.
[39:03] and so it's some problems that
[39:07] 
[39:07] are occurring right now and the
[39:09] n
[39:09] find out that property on the
[39:11] other side of me is right up to
[39:13] 
[39:13] the sliding door glass of a
[39:16] homeowner and their porch and
[39:18] all is actually on my property.
[39:22] 
[39:22] so that really needs to be
[39:23] looked at and see how we can
[39:26] work some of this out because
[39:26] it's going to be lot more
[39:28] problems very soon about this
[39:31] because in the pas
[39:33] built the home in '82 after
[39:36] realizing -- say something abo
[39:37] ut
[39:37] it, I came a couple years ago
[39:40] about it and say something to
[39:41] the commission.
[39:41] I talked to the property
[39:42] appraiser office a couple times
[39:43] 
[39:43] and reported it and ask them
[39:46] could they look at it.
[39:48] they came out and did
[39:49] measurements and now recently
[39:50] they are doing lot of
[39:51] measurements but it really nee
[39:53] ds
[39:53] to be looked into because it's
[39:54] 
[39:54] going to be a lot of fights and
[39:56] 
[39:56] pushes about who owns what
[39:59] property and I don't know if
[40:01] you've been taking care of tha
[40:02] t
[40:02] property for 40, 50 years if
[40:03] that going to give you the right
[40:04] 
[40:04] to still keep that property or
[40:06] 
[40:06] not, but I know this is about t
[40:09] o
[40:09] come up real soon because like
[40:12] I
[40:12] said four feet of my backyard
[40:13] has been pointed out to me tha
[40:15] t
[40:15] it don't belong to me.
[40:17] and according to when they com
[40:18] e
[40:18] out and shoot the property line
[40:20] 
[40:20] now, it's pretty much actual
[40:23] what they're saying.
[40:24] but when they shot it before,
[40:26] when we got the permit, to bui
[40:28] ld
[40:28] a shed there they said
[40:30] everything was aligned.
[40:31] so it's going talqestamab a lot
[40:32] 
[40:32] of confusion.
[40:33] I hope that y'all try to get
[40:35] this addressed real soon instead
[40:36] 
[40:36] of later because a lot of new
[40:38] homes been built out on the eas
[40:40] t
[40:40] side right now at this present
[40:41] 
[40:41] time.
[40:41] new that was our last speaker,
[40:50] 
[40:50] mr. Mayor.
[40:52] >> mayor: very good.
[40:52] >> we are onto our discussion
[40:53] items for the afternoon.
[40:54] 2026-92.
[40:54] heartwood soundstage funding
[40:57] with the recommendation the cit
[40:58] y
[40:58] commission approve allocating
[41:01] $55,000 from excess fund balance
[41:03] 
[41:03] in the general fund for
[41:04] heartwood sound' stage funding
[41:05] 
[41:05] request and provide direction o
[41:07] npreferred option for
[41:09] disbursement.
[41:09] >> mayor: all right,
[41:10] mr. Manager, did you want to --
[41:10] 
[41:10] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[41:13] the march 5th meeting you all
[41:14] asked for us to come back with
[41:16] 
[41:16] options for y'all to consider
[41:18] about how to accommodate the
[41:23] heartwood soundstage's request
[41:27] .
[41:27] we are recommending that if the
[41:28] 
[41:28] commission did decide to move
[41:30] forward with, with funding, it
[41:33] 
[41:33] would come from excess fund
[41:35] balance.
[41:35] we provided three options for
[41:37] your consideration, a loan
[41:42] format, importantly we don't
[41:45] have terms to discuss and that
[41:49] 
[41:49] may be something that y'all
[41:51] could discuss if that was a
[41:53] desired option.
[41:55] in advance the grant with
[41:56] required backup documentation
[41:59] for expended funds and city
[42:01] audit right to, audit right
[42:04] languageige there.
[42:05] that would be a similar to wha
[42:08] t
[42:08] the city commission did for the
[42:11] 
[42:11] hippodrome, and then a
[42:13] reimbursable grant with required
[42:15] 
[42:15] backup documentation right to
[42:16] audit requirements.
[42:19] I think importantly, there are
[42:24] 
[42:24] the soundstage I think during
[42:27] the last presentation gave you
[42:28] 
[42:28] some, some items by which I
[42:31] think they have some outstanding
[42:33] 
[42:33] debt, some operational
[42:34] expenses,.
[42:34] I think for purposes of the
[42:40] commission's decision we would
[42:45] 
[42:45] want to at least put it on the
[42:47] 
[42:47] record that we would need to v
[42:50] et
[42:50] any potential expenditures wit
[42:54] h
[42:54] in conjunction with financial
[42:57] services and the attorney's
[42:57] office to make sure that any
[43:00] expenses were sort of public
[43:04] interest meaning if, if there
[43:07] was old debt as a private
[43:09] institution or a private
[43:10] company, those things would nee
[43:12] d
[43:12] to be vetted to make sure that
[43:13] 
[43:13] we could actually expend publi
[43:15] c
[43:15] dollars on it versus ongoing
[43:17] operational expenses, which
[43:18] would be certainly I think a
[43:21] more allowable use than paying
[43:23] 
[43:23] for old private debt if that
[43:25] makes sense.
[43:27] >> mayor: okay, thank you,
[43:28] mr. Manager.
[43:30] did anyone from heartwood want
[43:32] 
[43:32] to make any further
[43:34] presentation?
[43:34] or did we want to go straight t
[43:37] o
[43:37] discussion?
[43:37] you don't have to.
[43:38] I mean, we were all here last
[43:39] time?
[43:39] okay.
[43:39] very good.
[43:42] all right.
[43:42] any thoughts from the
[43:43] commission?
[43:43] commissioner willits.
[43:52] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[43:53] I agree that if, that future
[43:57] facing needs under the current
[43:59] 
[43:59] structure of the 501(c)3 that
[44:01] is heartwood now makes the most
[44:03] 
[44:03] sense if that's what it is, it'
[44:05] s
[44:05] about what they need now to
[44:06] continue being, you know,
[44:09] successful.
[44:09] but I also understand that the
[44:13] ir
[44:13] business model is their rapidly
[44:15] 
[44:15] switching from their for profi
[44:17] t
[44:17] to nonprofit structure and
[44:20] rebuilding kind of rebuilding
[44:22] the airplane as it's flying to
[44:24] 
[44:24] go off into the future
[44:25] successful as possible as a, a
[44:27] n
[44:27] arts presenting institution in
[44:30] 
[44:30] downtown.
[44:30] so some of this is a little
[44:33] confusing to me just about lik
[44:36] e
[44:36] because I know the sport is --
[44:37] 
[44:37] it's kind of a general support
[44:39] 
[44:39] kind of a bridge to get to the
[44:41] 
[44:41] future, but at the same time I
[44:43] 
[44:43] do see that we have some
[44:44] instances of, you know, some
[44:46] transparency about, you know,
[44:49] the expenses they have.
[44:51] I don't feel good about retiring
[44:53] 
[44:53] debt.
[44:53] I feel much better about,
[44:55] know, basically paying people'
[44:59] s
[44:59] salaries who have been -- and
[45:01] I'm still a little not sure tha
[45:03] t
[45:03] I will support this because of
[45:05] 
[45:05] this midyear, I don't know, it'
[45:08] s
[45:08] tough because it is a really
[45:10] good chunk of entertainment
[45:12] downtown, and it does make a l
[45:13] ot
[45:13] of sense I would prefer it be
[45:15] normal budget process with
[45:17] changes to our other program
[45:21] eligibility.
[45:21] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[45:22] >> mayor: thank you,
[45:23] commissioner willits.
[45:23] to be clear, this is a
[45:25] nonprofit, and as they provide
[45:31] 
[45:31] a, an opportunity for a variety
[45:35] 
[45:35] of arts for the community, som
[45:40] e
[45:40] of it open to the community,
[45:42] some of it ticketed talso is a
[45:45] n
[45:45] economic development issue, and
[45:47] 
[45:47] that's the way I look at this
[45:49] 100%.
[45:49] there are businesses surrounding
[45:52] 
[45:52] it that are there because
[45:54] heartwood is there.
[45:56] and that is an important
[46:00] consideration as we move forwa
[46:01] rd
[46:01] with this thought.
[46:02] but commissioner book.
[46:04] >> yeah, thank you, mr. Mayor.
[46:05] 
[46:05] so when we kind of spoke about
[46:07] 
[46:07] this at length on march 5th
[46:09] almost a month ago, we were
[46:11] talking -- what's the current
[46:12] financial picture?
[46:14] maybe -- this is a unique one.
[46:17] 
[46:17] I don't think in the time that
[46:18] 
[46:18] I've been on the commission tha
[46:19] t
[46:19] we've had a situation for a for
[46:22] 
[46:22] profit converted to a nonprofit
[46:24] 
[46:24] and then we provided them money
[46:25] 
[46:25] to get up and running.
[46:27] if there is, I'm unfamiliar wit
[46:29] h
[46:29] it and so it's really difficult
[46:31] 
[46:31] to consider but I thought what'
[46:33] s
[46:33] the current financial picture
[46:34] for heartwood?
[46:35] we've had about a month to get
[46:37] 
[46:37] that.
[46:37] I wonder if any of the heartwo
[46:39] od
[46:39] staff would be willing to
[46:40] provide some updates.
[46:47] >> thank you, my name is chels
[46:48] y
[46:48] karns I'm the executive directo
[46:50] r
[46:50] of heartwood sound stage.
[46:52] so financial picture, I give t
[47:00] he
[47:00] full spiel last time but minor
[47:02] 
[47:02] updates since then.
[47:03] just to repeat for the folks I
[47:05] n
[47:05] the audience who weren't here
[47:05] last time, some of those
[47:06] numbers, you know, we brought I
[47:10] n
[47:10] 23,0 concert goers last year,
[47:11] across 160 events, generated
[47:15] $864,000 in ticket revenue.
[47:16] there's a lot of studies that
[47:18] show that performing arts
[47:20] centers like ours, the amount o
[47:22] f
[47:22] economic activity that happens
[47:23] 
[47:23] around those events that's
[47:25] people eating downtown, getting
[47:26] 
[47:26] hotel rooms, even the bands who
[47:28] 
[47:28] come in I shop their writers
[47:30] which are often $1,000 writers
[47:32] 
[47:32] where I'm going to local, you
[47:33] know, I just put in a $200 orde
[47:35] r
[47:35] at paper bag last week for
[47:37] sandwiches for our, for a big
[47:39] band that was touring through.
[47:40] you
[47:40] you know, so the economic
[47:42] activity that happens around
[47:42] these events is like five times
[47:44] 
[47:44] what we're generating internally
[47:46] 
[47:46] not to mention we're providing
[47:48] 
[47:48] jobs for 40-plus local
[47:51] individuals who work in the art
[47:53] s
[47:53] that's steam jobs like sound
[47:54] engineering and audio teching,
[47:58] 
[47:58] light design, and also
[48:00] hospitality and event managemen
[48:02] t
[48:02] positions.
[48:02] we have close relationships
[48:04] with, I don't know how far to g
[48:05] o
[48:05] into the spiel but we have clo
[48:07] se
[48:07] relationships with uf, santa f
[48:10] e
[48:10] college, there is a university
[48:10] 
[48:10] of florida class base a
[48:13] videoraphy class based on our
[48:15] campuses, teaching viddography
[48:20] .
[48:20] they can go on to do live event
[48:23] 
[48:23] photography and videography, a
[48:25] nd
[48:25] you know financially one thing
[48:27] I
[48:28] said last time that I was here
[48:28] 
[48:28] and that I'll reiterate is tha
[48:32] t
[48:32] this isn't a story of a busines
[48:33] s
[48:33] that failed or a project that
[48:35] you know failed to meet goals.
[48:36] 
[48:36] it's actually the opposite.
[48:38] we've been incredibly
[48:39] successful.
[48:39] the people who founded this
[48:41] institution four years ago nev
[48:43] er
[48:43] imagined that it would grow into
[48:45] 
[48:45] this thing that it is today.
[48:47] it was a small listening room
[48:48] for videography and for 100
[48:50] people to sit and quietly liste
[48:51] n
[48:51] to sconsert and now it's a
[48:52] festival and event space a
[48:53] performing arts center, a campu
[48:56] s  for
[48:56] for learning, and a place that
[48:58] 
[48:58] employs again over 40 local
[49:01] professionals.
[49:01] so you know, with that growth
[49:07] comes a need for you know,
[49:10] better supplies, better
[49:12] equipment, we're also hitting
[49:14] our 10-year anniversary so a l
[49:15] ot
[49:15] of things were purchased 10
[49:16] years ago and we need -- we put
[49:18] 
[49:18] $4,000 into lights.
[49:19] we needed new lights on the top
[49:20] 
[49:20] of our stage so this request
[49:22] comes from a place of we're
[49:23] really growing we're really
[49:25] expanding we're doing our part
[49:27] 
[49:27] to bring people downtown to
[49:28] support arts and community,
[49:30] community resilience through t
[49:31] he
[49:31] arts, and downtown gainesville
[49:32] .
[49:32] making it a place for people's
[49:35] 
[49:35] to feel safe and comfortable a
[49:36] nd
[49:36] bring their families.
[49:38] and supporting the local
[49:39] businesses around us with our
[49:42] activities.
[49:42] so this request is, you know, t
[49:44] o
[49:44] so we can continue doing that.
[49:47] 
[49:47] those are kind of a lot but I
[49:49] don't know specifically if you
[49:50] 
[49:50] want a certain number let me
[49:51] know.
[49:51] >> yeah, I think we had -- than
[49:53] k
[49:53] you very much for that
[49:54] synopsis.
[49:54] I think that probably my thoug
[49:56] ht
[49:56] about optimism for
[49:57] heartwoodicize an economic
[49:59] driver clearly it is that,
[50:00] mr. Mayor is that you have
[50:03] somebody who's come in and the
[50:04] 
[50:04] executive director who has
[50:06] extensive knowledge about how t
[50:08] o
[50:08] manage things just like this.
[50:09] so that's why I feel good about
[50:11] 
[50:11] heartwood going forward.
[50:13] what have we raised as a
[50:14] nonprofit?
[50:14] we've been a nonprofit for about
[50:16] 
[50:16] seven months?
[50:18] >> yes, so let me pull those
[50:20] numbers for you.
[50:31] so yeah, we've raised over
[50:35] $5,416 in friends of heartwood
[50:37] s
[50:37] donations that's our membershi
[50:38] p
[50:38] program since becoming a
[50:40] nonprofit.
[50:40] we've raised over 5,000 -- we
[50:44] have over $5,000 incoming just
[50:47] 
[50:47] in the past few weeks of peopl
[50:48] e
[50:48] supporting us, supporting our
[50:50] upcoming events, mostly like
[50:51] sponsorship corporate
[50:53] sponsorship type donations.
[50:55] from our online giving platform
[50:56] 
[50:56] that we launched when we became
[50:58] 
[50:58] a nonprofit in september we've
[51:00] 
[51:00] raised $3,815 that's just from
[51:03] a
[51:03] donate now button on our web
[51:06] site.
[51:06] from event sponsors, this is a
[51:08] 
[51:08] lot of this came from our at th
[51:10] e
[51:10] end of the year tom petty
[51:11] weekend last year, we had 25,785
[51:15] 
[51:15] corporate sponsors that was the
[51:17] 
[51:17] very tail end of last year for
[51:18] 
[51:18] tom petty, one of our signature
[51:20] 
[51:20] events.
[51:20] we received over $4,000 actual
[51:26] ly
[51:26] $6,000 total in ira disbursemen
[51:28] t
[51:28] since becoming a nonprofit so
[51:29] that's where you can use your
[51:31] retirement funds there's a way
[51:32] 
[51:32] to kind of reduce your taxes o
[51:34] n
[51:34] your retirement plan by doing a
[51:36] n
[51:36] ira disbursement, so yeah,
[51:39] $6,000 from that.
[51:41] and then from a single donor, w
[51:43] e
[51:43] received $58,000 at the end of
[51:47] 
[51:47] last year, and this kind of ti
[51:50] es
[51:50] into you know that donor was o
[51:51] ne
[51:51] of the founders of heartwood.
[51:53] that was kind of where we were
[51:54] 
[51:54] at with this one donor pitching
[51:56] 
[51:56] in heavenally to pick up the -
[51:57] -
[51:57] heavily to pick up on slack whe
[51:59] n
[51:59] we fell low on things.
[52:02] this is since september when w
[52:04] e
[52:04] became a nonprofit.
[52:05] that adds up in total to
[52:07] $94,016.
[52:07] so we're doing quite well with
[52:10] 
[52:10] sponsorships.
[52:10] this is another reason that I
[52:12] say I don't expect to be back  here n
[52:17] here next year asking for this
[52:17] 
[52:17] kind of money, so -- really wel
[52:18] l
[52:18] it's just I've inherited some
[52:20] problems, you know, some debt.
[52:23] 
[52:23] and to address the conversatio
[52:24] n
[52:24] about whether it should go
[52:26] towards debt or future expenses,
[52:27] 
[52:27] either one would do the trick.
[52:30] 
[52:30] it's, I'm we're amenable to, y
[52:33] ou
[52:33] know, aplooiing the money where
[52:36] 
[52:36] it's, where it feels best
[52:38] applies by the commission.
[52:41] >> thank you.
[52:42] the figures that you just
[52:43] provided for what's being raise
[52:45] d
[52:45] is another source of optimism
[52:47] going forward.
[52:48] that for me, where I struggle I
[52:51] s
[52:51] just this morning we stopped
[52:53] providing money internally at
[52:55] the city for our own staff
[52:57] because we said we're in the
[52:58] middle of a budget process, and
[53:00] 
[53:00] you know, where we can't provi
[53:02] de
[53:02] money internally, I really
[53:04] struggle even though the fundi
[53:06] ng
[53:06] sources are different, to
[53:07] provide those monies
[53:08] externally.
[53:08] we have 30 frozen positions at
[53:11] 
[53:11] the city.
[53:11] these are 30 people that we're
[53:12] 
[53:12] not hiring across various
[53:15] divisions because we ourselves
[53:18] 
[53:18] are holding the line on some
[53:19] fiscal restraint, and then I,
[53:22] what worries me is we just got
[53:23] 
[53:23] another email this week from
[53:25] another nonprofit that wants t
[53:27] o
[53:27] increase their funding.
[53:29] they may be within one of our
[53:30] existing processes, but they
[53:32] want between 50 -- instead of
[53:34] what they got is $65,000 they
[53:35] want double that at least
[53:36] they're hoping that we'll
[53:37] provide double.
[53:38] and it's another worthwhile
[53:40] nonprofit organization.
[53:41] so these are the things I
[53:43] struggle with which is funding
[53:45] 
[53:45] internally that we have versus
[53:46] 
[53:46] funding externally even though
[53:48] 
[53:48] again I know the funding strea
[53:50] ms
[53:50] are different.
[53:51] so thank you, mr. Mayor.
[53:54] >> mayor: thank you,.
[53:57] commissioner chestnut.
[53:59] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[54:00] if you could just very
[54:01] succinctly tell us again what
[54:05] the 55, what the 55,000 would b
[54:08] e
[54:08] used for.
[54:10] is it your retired debt or
[54:12] exactly what?
[54:13] >> sure.
[54:13] so initially I thought the bes
[54:15] t
[54:15] thing to use it for -- well
[54:17] first I'll say where the numbe
[54:19] r
[54:19] 55,000 came from.
[54:19] so the past two years in a row
[54:22] ,
[54:22] bate end of the budget year,
[54:24] we've been $250,000 -- we've
[54:26] needed $250,000 from our
[54:28] founder'spitched in to keep the
[54:31] 
[54:31] thing going so I have no reason
[54:32] 
[54:32] to suspect that number is going
[54:34] 
[54:34] to be any different this year.
[54:35] 
[54:35] that number will be different
[54:38] from this year moving forward
[54:39] because we have reduced expensed
[54:42] 
[54:42] by $100,000.
[54:44] I got the nature and culture
[54:46] enhancement grantwhich I
[54:47] believe we will get a grant
[54:48] every year through the county's
[54:50] 
[54:50] ed tax so not local taxpayers
[54:51] paying that money.
[54:52] it's for events and services
[54:54] like ours that bring in tourist
[54:56] s
[54:56] and fill hotel beds.
[54:58] so we got $100,000 from that s
[55:01] o
[55:01] between the cost that I've
[55:03] reduced about $100,000 and the
[55:05] 
[55:05] grant that we received of
[55:08] 100,000 that leaves me with the
[55:09] 
[55:09] 55,000 that where suspect we're
[55:10] 
[55:10] going to be short this year tha
[55:12] t
[55:12] we're tracking to be short on s
[55:13] o
[55:13] before we get to the part of
[55:14] like closing doors or laying
[55:15] people off or reducing services,
[55:18] 
[55:18] I came to you all to say can y
[55:19] ou
[55:19] help me with this 55,000.
[55:21] and as far as what it will be
[55:23] spent on?
[55:24] I thought it made the most sen
[55:27] se
[55:27] to spend it on past debts eso
[55:29] then our monthly expenses payin
[55:30] g
[55:30] off of those debts are reduced
[55:32] 
[55:32] and that sets us up month to
[55:34] month to be saving money on the
[55:35] z
[55:36] those debts and interest but I
[55:37] 
[55:37] mean we have single shows comin
[55:39] g
[55:39] up where the artist fees are
[55:40] about $50,000.
[55:41] so like one, I could use this t
[55:43] o
[55:43] pay one artist fee and it would
[55:44] 
[55:44] save us $50,000 that I could u
[55:46] se
[55:46] to address other issues.
[55:48] that's the kind of how the
[55:50] business works, there's major
[55:52] expenses, so so whether the
[55:55] 55,000 is spent on past
[55:56] expenses, whether we applied
[55:58] donor fees to past expenses and
[55:59] 
[55:59] applied this to labor for the
[56:01] next calendar year, apply it t
[56:03] o
[56:03] artist fees or apply it to we
[56:05] have some major -- I'll name a
[56:08] 
[56:08] few things I'd love to apply I
[56:09] t
[56:09] to.
[56:09] I mentioned production upgrade
[56:11] s
[56:11] so 10 years old with most of o
[56:13] ur
[56:13] production equipment and you
[56:14] know we need computer upgrades
[56:15] 
[56:15] software upgrades, systems
[56:18] upgrades, we've already begun
[56:19] that.
[56:19] like replacing the lights like
[56:21] 
[56:21] we did last week but you know
[56:22] lighting, seating, electrical
[56:24] upgrades, our outdoor sound
[56:28] system, and maintenance to our
[56:29] 
[56:29] current production equipment.
[56:32] >> so it could be considered a
[56:33] 
[56:33] windfall.
[56:33] >> a wind -- I'm not sure what
[56:36] 
[56:36] that means.
[56:41] >> I don't know how to explain
[56:41] 
[56:41] it.
[56:41] >> mayor: okay.
[56:47] anything else?
[56:48] okay.
[56:48] anyone else?
[56:49] all right.
[56:50] is there any public comment on
[56:51] 
[56:51] this, madam clerk?
[56:52] >> I do not have public comment
[56:53] 
[56:53] on this item.
[56:56] >> mayor: okay.
[56:57] would anyone like to make any
[56:57] sort of recommendation?
[56:59] commissioner duncan-walker.
[57:01] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[57:02] I just have some questions and
[57:03] 
[57:03] then I want to make the comments
[57:06] 
[57:06] because clearly I think so men
[57:08] a
[57:08] of us are appreciative of the
[57:09] work that is done out of
[57:10] heartwood and I know that when
[57:11] 
[57:11] we spoke, I had a subsequent
[57:14] conversation with our arts
[57:17] grants programs, prca.
[57:21] and of course the question was
[57:23] 
[57:23] you know what is existing there
[57:25] 
[57:25] and what we found was
[57:27] unfortunately that heartwood d
[57:29] id
[57:29] not fit into the neat boxes tha
[57:31] t
[57:31] we currently have prescribed a
[57:34] s
[57:34] arts presenters and for me tha
[57:35] t
[57:35] was a bit of a challenge.
[57:36] so what I want to say to my
[57:38] colleagues here is we have I
[57:40] think a case where we have an
[57:42] arts presenter that is not
[57:44] fitting within our definition o
[57:45] f
[57:45] arts presenter, and I'm
[57:48] interested as a board to figur
[57:50] e
[57:50] out a way how we might be able
[57:52] 
[57:52] to reconcile that.
[57:53] now I clearly understand that
[57:55] those arts organizations that
[57:57] we're currently funding out of
[57:58] 
[57:58] those buckets of monies fit
[58:00] within a particular description
[58:01] 
[58:01] but I think that we have to be
[58:03] 
[58:03] mindful and we have to be
[58:07] responsive when we know that
[58:08] there are organizations that a
[58:09] re
[58:09] doing that thing that we just
[58:10] haven't considered how we, we
[58:12] are able to address that, okay
[58:15] 
[58:15] in terms of money so what we
[58:19] hear is an organization that
[58:23] needs some help.
[58:25] and there are a lot of
[58:27] organizations that need help.
[58:31] so I'm struggling now with
[58:33] making sure that there is a fai
[58:36] r
[58:36] way as we move forward that
[58:43] we'll be able to do this in the
[58:44] 
[58:44] future because we're already
[58:45] getting e-mails.
[58:46] should we do this, there will
[58:47] be
[58:47] more and there will be the
[58:48] question of well, the city
[58:50] funded heartwood why won't you
[58:52] 
[58:52] fund us.
[58:53] and nobody's going to be
[58:54] concerned.
[58:54] nobody's concerned with our
[59:00] budget or bottom line is,
[59:02] they're just going to say you
[59:03] funded heartwood.
[59:04] so for me it's a matter of
[59:05] making sure our processes can
[59:06] accommodate what the needs are
[59:08] 
[59:08] artistically here, and I want t
[59:09] o
[59:09] have another conversation and
[59:11] intertain and she's not in her
[59:12] e
[59:12] so I don't want to do it right
[59:14] 
[59:14] now, but I think that I'm
[59:16] interested in coming back to t
[59:18] he
[59:18] table with parks, rec and
[59:21] cultural affairs or the cultura
[59:23] l
[59:23] affairs board, whichever entit
[59:25] y
[59:25] it is, it's our cultural affai
[59:27] rs
[59:27] department is who it is, to ha
[59:29] ve
[59:29] a conversation around what we
[59:35] would need to do to address the
[59:37] 
[59:37] organization's like heartwood.
[59:39] 
[59:39] heartwood is not the only one
[59:40] but it's the one that's in
[59:41] downtown that's doing a large
[59:43] volime of business -- volume o
[59:46] f
[59:46] business that is feeding into
[59:47] the economic development piece
[59:48] 
[59:48] that is important and vital to
[59:50] 
[59:50] the city.
[59:52] it's just a shame that we da wa
[59:57] y to fund it right now
[59:57] through the city.
[59:58] and flow have to look -- now
[1:00:00] have to look at doing this an
[1:00:02] alternate way that will be a b
[1:00:04] it
[1:00:04] controversial.
[1:00:04] so I want to say before I make
[1:00:06] 
[1:00:06] any comment about the current
[1:00:07] request that I'd like for us t
[1:00:09] o
[1:00:09] look internally at our process
[1:00:11] 
[1:00:11] and ask the cultural affairs
[1:00:15] council what they would need I
[1:00:16] n
[1:00:16] order to move this forward, a
[1:00:19] definition or grant program that
[1:00:25] 
[1:00:25] would include organizations li
[1:00:29] ke
[1:00:29] what are the financial needs.
[1:00:32] who do we need to reach out to?
[1:00:33] 
[1:00:33] I did want to ask you this.
[1:00:38] have you in any way engaged wit
[1:00:39] h
[1:00:39] the gainesville community
[1:00:40] foundation?
[1:00:40] >> gainesville community
[1:00:43] foundation?
[1:00:43] >> yes.
[1:00:44] >> is that the center for
[1:00:45] nonprofit excellence?
[1:00:48] >> they're a part of that.
[1:00:49] >> okay.
[1:00:50] >> the center for nonprofit
[1:00:51] excellence is a part.
[1:00:52] >> we have been in touch with
[1:00:53] the center for nonprofit
[1:00:54] excellence.
[1:00:54] I don't know specifically about
[1:00:56] 
[1:00:56] the foundation that you speak o
[1:00:57] f
[1:00:57] though.
[1:00:57] >> mm-hmm.
[1:00:58] so what was the outcome of tha
[1:01:00] t
[1:01:00] interaction?
[1:01:00] >> they've been supportive and
[1:01:03] 
[1:01:03] you know, they reached out
[1:01:07] actually one of the leaders of
[1:01:08] 
[1:01:08] our organization reached out
[1:01:09] right when we became a nonprof
[1:01:10] it
[1:01:10] and said hey, you know, we're
[1:01:12] here if you need resources and
[1:01:13] 
[1:01:13] we reached out back to her to
[1:01:14] connect her with our developme
[1:01:15] nt
[1:01:15] director when we hired him, so
[1:01:17] 
[1:01:17] we've been in contact but there
[1:01:18] 
[1:01:18] has been no discussion of here'
[1:01:20] s
[1:01:20] some money we have for you or
[1:01:21] anything like that.
[1:01:23] >> mayor: so to be clear they'
[1:01:24] re
[1:01:24] no longer with the north centr
[1:01:28] al
[1:01:28] florida community foundation?
[1:01:29] >> okay.
[1:01:30] >> mayor: and their missionis
[1:01:31] to help train nonprofits be goo
[1:01:34] d
[1:01:34] nonprofits --
[1:01:37] >> correct I'm definitely
[1:01:37] familiar with what the nonprof
[1:01:39] it
[1:01:39] center for nonprofit excellence
[1:01:42] 
[1:01:42] does but I also know that the
[1:01:43] gainesville community foundation
[1:01:45] 
[1:01:45] has been a grant making
[1:01:46] organization so I was wondering
[1:01:47] 
[1:01:47] if there was any conversation o
[1:01:49] r
[1:01:49] any movement in that way.
[1:01:51] >> I'll write it down.
[1:01:52] I'll definitely reach out.
[1:01:55] >> I'll conclude for now.
[1:01:58] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:01:59] commissioner ingle.
[1:02:02] >> so I was not present for the
[1:02:04] 
[1:02:04] previous discussion on this, b
[1:02:09] ut
[1:02:09] I was I can certainly see the
[1:02:10] concerns about we strike a che
[1:02:17] ck
[1:02:17] when the first nonprofit comes
[1:02:18] 
[1:02:18] and asks us for money.
[1:02:20] there are certainly going to be
[1:02:20] 
[1:02:20] a lot of people asking for mon
[1:02:21] ey
[1:02:21] like this.
[1:02:22] I will say heartwood to me, I
[1:02:25] greatly enjoy the place.
[1:02:26] it's -- but more than that, if
[1:02:31] 
[1:02:31] you remember the baird center
[1:02:33] prior to heartwood, there was
[1:02:36] nothing there.
[1:02:37] I mean, there was a one bla
[1:02:39] box theater and the old
[1:02:42] crosstown was there.
[1:02:43] but I'll say it was pretty muc
[1:02:45] h
[1:02:45] a derelict building so I reall
[1:02:47] y
[1:02:47] do think that this is an ancho
[1:02:50] r
[1:02:50] business that is keeping I mea
[1:02:54] n
[1:02:54] just another half dozen
[1:02:56] businesses going and then just
[1:02:57] 
[1:02:57] in general adding an awful lot
[1:03:02] 
[1:03:02] to the economy of kind of south
[1:03:05] 
[1:03:05] main and it's been a kind of a
[1:03:06] n
[1:03:06] anchor that I feel has drawn l
[1:03:08] ot
[1:03:08] of things down that way.
[1:03:10] it's kind of dove tailed very
[1:03:12] nicely with depot park and
[1:03:14] really turning that into a muc
[1:03:17] h
[1:03:17] different economic area than it
[1:03:18] 
[1:03:18] was prior to heartwood being
[1:03:20] there.
[1:03:20] I don't know the best way of
[1:03:25] going about supporting them but
[1:03:27] 
[1:03:27] I know we've done plenty of
[1:03:28] grants for other organizations
[1:03:30] 
[1:03:30] that were everything from
[1:03:32] picking an area of town that we
[1:03:34] 
[1:03:34] want to put some money into mak
[1:03:35] e
[1:03:35] sure that their, there's options
[1:03:38] 
[1:03:38] there for businesses to get --
[1:03:39] 
[1:03:39] built up and facades of
[1:03:42] buildings to get cleaned to
[1:03:44] those types of things to helping
[1:03:45] 
[1:03:45] out the hippodrome.
[1:03:46] so I would really like to find
[1:03:48] 
[1:03:48] some way to move forward with
[1:03:49] this.
[1:03:49] I think it's, it's important n
[1:03:51] ot
[1:03:51] only to heartwood but also to
[1:03:53] a
[1:03:53] lot of other businesses around
[1:03:54] 
[1:03:54] there and generally the economi
[1:03:55] c
[1:03:55] health of the area but whether
[1:03:56] 
[1:03:56] that looks like, like a low or
[1:04:01] 
[1:04:01] no interest loan, whether that
[1:04:02] 
[1:04:02] looks like a grant, whether tha
[1:04:03] t
[1:04:03] looks like whatever, I think
[1:04:05] it's a very important driver f
[1:04:07] or
[1:04:07] the area that I think it would
[1:04:11] 
[1:04:11] be very detrimental if we let
[1:04:12] fail.
[1:04:12] more than that, like I also
[1:04:16] think it is very unique in the
[1:04:19] 
[1:04:19] arts community in town that it's
[1:04:21] 
[1:04:21] one of the few kind of regiona
[1:04:24] l
[1:04:24] draws for music in the area.
[1:04:27] you know it's not national act
[1:04:28] s
[1:04:28] but it's larger than local act
[1:04:31] s,
[1:04:31] and it really does pull in, it'
[1:04:35] s
[1:04:35] kind of well known I don't kno
[1:04:39] w
[1:04:39] what you would call it, second
[1:04:40] 
[1:04:40] tier stars or whatever, there
[1:04:41] aren't quite national touring
[1:04:43] acts but are that kind of level
[1:04:44] 
[1:04:44] that pulls a lot of people int
[1:04:45] o
[1:04:45] gainesville.
[1:04:45] like I know a lot of people tha
[1:04:47] t
[1:04:47] are familiar with gainesville
[1:04:49] because of heartwood.
[1:04:50] they came here to see shows
[1:04:51] there.
[1:04:51] and that's why they're coming t
[1:04:54] o
[1:04:54] town.
[1:04:54] so I don't know the best way t
[1:04:58] o
[1:04:58] move forward with it but I thi
[1:04:59] nk
[1:04:59] it's important we find some way
[1:05:00] 
[1:05:00] to move forward with it.
[1:05:01] >> mayor: all right.
[1:05:02] thank you, commissioner ingle.
[1:05:04] 
[1:05:04] commissional willits.
[1:05:05] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:05:07] you know, it's not lost on me
[1:05:08] that about a block away we're
[1:05:09] trying to sell a property, an
[1:05:12] old fire station location.
[1:05:13] $55,000 could be the
[1:05:15] difference -- I mean a good
[1:05:17] functioning business community
[1:05:18] 
[1:05:18] on south main street versus one
[1:05:20] 
[1:05:20] with a you know a big hole in
[1:05:22] it, could be the difference in
[1:05:24] 
[1:05:24] how -- how much we sell that
[1:05:25] property for.
[1:05:26] you know?
[1:05:27] so that's, to me it's economic
[1:05:30] 
[1:05:30] development and arts.
[1:05:32] these are the two things kind o
[1:05:33] f
[1:05:33] combined.
[1:05:33] and so the fact that the count
[1:05:36] y
[1:05:36] tourism bed tax is being
[1:05:37] supported that leads me more
[1:05:38] towards hey this is the county
[1:05:40] 
[1:05:40] has done their part, can we do
[1:05:43] 
[1:05:43] part, and ms. Karns can you
[1:05:45] remind me did the full county
[1:05:47] commission have to vote on tha
[1:05:48] t
[1:05:48] grant?
[1:05:48] does it go through them or is
[1:05:50] it
[1:05:50] part of a committee or an
[1:05:52] administrative decision?
[1:05:54] >> the alachua county arts
[1:05:55] council I want to say decides on
[1:05:58] 
[1:05:58] the grant, and then they send
[1:06:00] that to the county commissione
[1:06:01] rs
[1:06:01] to approve.
[1:06:02] >> okay.
[1:06:03] so in the end it is --
[1:06:04] >> it was vetted both by the
[1:06:05] council and by the commission.
[1:06:06] 
[1:06:06] >> okay.
[1:06:08] county commission's kind of done
[1:06:09] 
[1:06:09] part of their part.
[1:06:10] this leads me more towards --
[1:06:12] I'm very in the middle.
[1:06:13] I don't know.
[1:06:14] because it is, it's so importa
[1:06:16] nt
[1:06:16] to the business development.
[1:06:17] if this was ngcra in a different
[1:06:21] 
[1:06:21] way or in our arts programs mor
[1:06:25] e
[1:06:25] aligned out I would feel more
[1:06:26] comfortable but I'm looking at
[1:06:27] 
[1:06:27] your calendar just through jul
[1:06:29] y
[1:06:29] and there's all kinds of stuff
[1:06:30] 
[1:06:30] on here.
[1:06:31] all kinds of great stuff.
[1:06:33] ani defranko and juvenile are
[1:06:36] definitely national acts.
[1:06:37] and rightly so some of the act
[1:06:38] s
[1:06:38] on here that I'm sure the
[1:06:39] florida legislature does about
[1:06:40] 
[1:06:40] want to talk about.
[1:06:42] blues society presents women I
[1:06:43] n
[1:06:43] blues showcase if we're allowed
[1:06:45] 
[1:06:45] to showcase women in music.
[1:06:47] or black -- there is just whole
[1:06:50] 
[1:06:50] list.
[1:06:50] I do it for my city festival I
[1:06:53] n
[1:06:53] master class these are things
[1:06:54] people in the state legislature
[1:06:55] 
[1:06:55] probably don't want us to
[1:06:56] participate, but we're free to
[1:06:58] 
[1:06:58] do it for now.
[1:07:01] so I'm leaning more towards
[1:07:03] let's find this 55,000 but in
[1:07:05] the best I don't have a
[1:07:07] preference on the format or
[1:07:09] version.
[1:07:09] a zero interest loan is where I
[1:07:12] 
[1:07:12] lean towards if we're capable o
[1:07:15] f
[1:07:15] doing that.
[1:07:15] a zero interest loan.
[1:07:16] that way they figure out what
[1:07:19] they need to do, whether it's
[1:07:20] pay off debt or whatever, and
[1:07:22] they have less in their monthly
[1:07:25] 
[1:07:25] you know costs and they can pay
[1:07:26] 
[1:07:26] us back over a period of time.
[1:07:28] 
[1:07:28] city manager, I would need a
[1:07:30] little more guidance on -- I
[1:07:33] know loans are not impossible.
[1:07:34] 
[1:07:34] we do it in certain formats, b
[1:07:37] ut
[1:07:37] this is one where it's a littl
[1:07:38] e
[1:07:38] out of my -- I was not prepped
[1:07:39] 
[1:07:39] for that portion of this today
[1:07:42] ,
[1:07:42] so can you answer a little bit
[1:07:43] 
[1:07:43] about loans or somebody?
[1:07:47] >> to be honest, this is kind o
[1:07:48] f
[1:07:48] new territory for the city wit
[1:07:52] h
[1:07:52] respect to this, the examples o
[1:07:56] f
[1:07:56] loans that I can give you that
[1:07:57] 
[1:07:57] we do do are the connect three
[1:08:01] 
[1:08:01] funds are typically structured
[1:08:03] 
[1:08:03] as a very low interest loan.
[1:08:09] we have certain aspects of our
[1:08:11] 
[1:08:11] housing programs.
[1:08:15] we are technically a forgivabl
[1:08:17] e
[1:08:17] loan with a sort of soft side
[1:08:19] mortgage that gets forgiven yea
[1:08:21] r
[1:08:21] after year in a prorated sense
[1:08:25] .
[1:08:25] I think as I mentioned like we
[1:08:26] 
[1:08:26] don't have terms if for this f
[1:08:28] or
[1:08:28] the, for the loan.
[1:08:30] we would look for the commissio
[1:08:31] n
[1:08:31] if they wanted to be forgivabl
[1:08:34] e
[1:08:34] or zero interest.
[1:08:35] like we could work with them a
[1:08:36] nd
[1:08:36] then come up with terms.
[1:08:39] >> okay.
[1:08:39] I mean, by all means, if we giv
[1:08:42] e
[1:08:42] $55,000 loan with zero interes
[1:08:43] t
[1:08:43] and forgivable and they're ali
[1:08:44] ve
[1:08:44] and kicking in three or four
[1:08:46] years, great.
[1:08:47] we've achieved, you know, the
[1:08:49] goal.
[1:08:49] so that's, I just ask that but
[1:08:50] 
[1:08:50] I'm leaning more towards let's
[1:08:52] 
[1:08:52] figure this out and find it as
[1:08:54] 
[1:08:54] an economic development piece
[1:08:55] with the county already having
[1:08:56] 
[1:08:56] put in their portion and then
[1:08:59] you know an opportunity.
[1:09:00] it is out on the edge of what
[1:09:01] I'm comfortable with.
[1:09:02] it's a bit of leap of faith not
[1:09:05] 
[1:09:05] in you ms. Karns or the
[1:09:07] soundstage but a leap of faith
[1:09:09] 
[1:09:09] of what the community does and
[1:09:10] 
[1:09:10] doesn't support as an entire
[1:09:13] whole.
[1:09:13] I think that's all I got for
[1:09:15] now.
[1:09:15] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:09:17] commissioner willits and let m
[1:09:17] e
[1:09:17] throw an idea out there and the
[1:09:18] n
[1:09:18] we'll go back around to the res
[1:09:20] t
[1:09:20] of the lights.
[1:09:21] what if we thought of this and
[1:09:24] I
[1:09:25] am, I don't have a proposal
[1:09:26] ready I'm just putting this ide
[1:09:29] a
[1:09:29] out there.
[1:09:30] what if we went in the direction
[1:09:31] 
[1:09:31] of a loan very low interest loa
[1:09:34] n
[1:09:34] that we could then turn into a
[1:09:41] 
[1:09:41] revolving loan opportunity for
[1:09:44] 
[1:09:44] arts presenting organizations?
[1:09:45] 
[1:09:45] so as that is paid back, we the
[1:09:48] n
[1:09:48] make that available to other
[1:09:50] arts presenting organizations on
[1:09:53] same sort of basis.
[1:09:56] just that's a thought.
[1:09:57] that's a way for us to honestl
[1:09:59] y
[1:09:59] put our money where our mouth is
[1:10:01] 
[1:10:01] when we talk about supporting
[1:10:02] the arts for arts presenting
[1:10:03] organizations and see if maybe
[1:10:06] 
[1:10:06] there's an opportunity to use
[1:10:09] that as seed money for other
[1:10:11] arts presenting organizations.
[1:10:14] 
[1:10:14] then we could do that
[1:10:15] geographically.
[1:10:15] we could -- there are any numbe
[1:10:17] r
[1:10:17] of ways that we could think
[1:10:19] about that.
[1:10:20] consider that as we do this.
[1:10:22] it would be good to have you
[1:10:24] know, options a, b, and c for u
[1:10:28] s
[1:10:28] to choose from up here rather
[1:10:29] than us trying to create a loa
[1:10:33] n
[1:10:33] package as we go.
[1:10:34] but I would like to have that a
[1:10:37] s
[1:10:37] a, an option.
[1:10:39] I would also like us to consider
[1:10:42] 
[1:10:42] that there are a bit of a
[1:10:43] timeline.
[1:10:43] I mean they know there is a
[1:10:45] money crunch coming down the
[1:10:46] road in summer.
[1:10:47] I mean they indicated to us
[1:10:48] whether they were here last
[1:10:49] time.
[1:10:49] -- when they were here last time
[1:10:51] 
[1:10:51] so we need to keep that in min
[1:10:52] d
[1:10:52] as well.
[1:10:53] all right, commissioner
[1:10:54] duncan-walker.
[1:10:54] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.to ask
[1:10:57] the city
[1:10:57] manager, did the city provide,
[1:11:02] 
[1:11:02] was what we did with the reggae
[1:11:05] 
[1:11:05] shack, was that a loan through
[1:11:07] 
[1:11:07] gcra?
[1:11:07] >> the related to the -- are y
[1:11:16] ou
[1:11:16] talking --
[1:11:17] >> I know it particular
[1:11:17] owner and there were ways the
[1:11:20] city interfaced and worked wit
[1:11:22] h
[1:11:22] this person on I believe a few
[1:11:23] 
[1:11:23] different projects.
[1:11:24] I don't recall whether it was,
[1:11:26] I
[1:11:26] do believe it was southern char
[1:11:28] m
[1:11:28] but I thought it was also regga
[1:11:30] e
[1:11:30] shack and another one of the
[1:11:32] restaurants that they were
[1:11:33] trying to do.
[1:11:35] the twisted peacock I believe
[1:11:37] >> that would've been outside o
[1:11:39] f
[1:11:39] cra area.
[1:11:40] the twisted peacock.I believe w
[1:11:44] ithout you know
[1:11:45] without having to do some
[1:11:46] research, I believe reggae sha
[1:11:49] ck
[1:11:49] receive     received a facade g
[1:11:52] rant
[1:11:52] for the front of the building
[1:11:54] and then the southern charm was
[1:11:56] 
[1:11:56] a, you know, was a complete yo
[1:11:58] u
[1:11:58] know we built a restaurant
[1:12:01] essentially for that.
[1:12:02] but I don't think that it's an
[1:12:03] 
[1:12:03] equivalent in this case.
[1:12:05] >> not a loan that the city
[1:12:07] created for that.
[1:12:09] >> correct.
[1:12:10] I would, I just want -- the
[1:12:12] opportunity.
[1:12:12] I would suggest that the
[1:12:16] commission separate creation o
[1:12:17] f
[1:12:17] a new loan program from this
[1:12:22] discussion like because I think
[1:12:24] 
[1:12:24] if you all give direction that
[1:12:26] 
[1:12:26] that's something you want to d
[1:12:27] o
[1:12:27] then we would work that into t
[1:12:30] he
[1:12:30] budget but I think for all the
[1:12:31] 
[1:12:31] reasons that you know that have
[1:12:32] 
[1:12:32] been listed both in terms of
[1:12:35] the, the timing for heartwood,
[1:12:37] 
[1:12:37] and then not coming up with
[1:12:39] something on a daises separatin
[1:12:41] g
[1:12:41] the two -- dais, separating the
[1:12:43] 
[1:12:43] two, they may both have the
[1:12:45] reasons would probably be the
[1:12:48] best course in this case.
[1:12:51] >> mm-hmm.
[1:12:53] andrew, can I ask you this.
[1:12:54] you see no reason it can't be
[1:12:56] arts specific though, the
[1:12:57] discussion you come back with,
[1:13:00] 
[1:13:00] correct?
[1:13:00] >> from a loan program?
[1:13:01] yeah, of course.
[1:13:01] I think that would be the focus
[1:13:07] 
[1:13:07] based on y'all discussion.
[1:13:09] >> okay.
[1:13:09] thank you.
[1:13:10] I conclude for now, mr. Mayor.
[1:13:12] 
[1:13:12] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:13:13] commissioner.
[1:13:13] so for all of you wondering why
[1:13:15] 
[1:13:15] didn't they just talk about thi
[1:13:16] s
[1:13:16] beforehand.
[1:13:16] because we can't.
[1:13:18] the sunshine law says if we're
[1:13:21] 
[1:13:21] going to talk about things tha
[1:13:22] t
[1:13:22] we're going to vote on, this is
[1:13:23] 
[1:13:23] the way that we do that.
[1:13:25] and it is, it is uncomfortable
[1:13:28] 
[1:13:28] watching the sausage get made I
[1:13:30] n
[1:13:30] public but this is how it
[1:13:31] works.
[1:13:31] so commissioner eastman.
[1:13:35] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:13:36] I agree with everything that
[1:13:37] commissioner ingle said from
[1:13:38] before.
[1:13:38] I think that losing heartwood
[1:13:40] sound stage would be, I mean,
[1:13:43] devastating for south main which
[1:13:44] 
[1:13:44] we have invested lot of money I
[1:13:46] n
[1:13:46] over time to we're seeing the
[1:13:48] fruits of that and it is truly
[1:13:50] 
[1:13:50] an anchor business that is dow
[1:13:52] n
[1:13:52] there.
[1:13:52] it would be a loss to our music
[1:13:55] 
[1:13:55] community which has lost a lot
[1:13:57] 
[1:13:57] of its medium sized venue over
[1:13:59] 
[1:13:59] the last couple of years.
[1:14:00] there are very, very few place
[1:14:01] s
[1:14:01] that medium sized band or group
[1:14:03] 
[1:14:03] would be able to play in here
[1:14:06] just in our entire city and
[1:14:07] heartwood really serves that
[1:14:09] purpose and it's why --
[1:14:11] potentially the only one that
[1:14:12] serves that purpose right now
[1:14:14] within the city of gainesville
[1:14:16] .
[1:14:16] but I also I mean I agree
[1:14:17] withition comer willits and som
[1:14:18] e
[1:14:18] of the other folks that have
[1:14:18] spoken that said, you know, you
[1:14:20] 
[1:14:20] also -- because I spent the rest  of t
[1:14:22] of this time up here on the
[1:14:22] commission today arguing about
[1:14:24] 
[1:14:24] following processes and that
[1:14:27] making one -- when you start
[1:14:28] making one off decisions here,
[1:14:30] 
[1:14:30] that ends up bek-78ing      bec
[1:14:32] oming
[1:14:32] the process in and of itself.
[1:14:34] if people come and ask you mon
[1:14:36] ey
[1:14:36] and you make an exception,
[1:14:37] eventually there is not a rule,
[1:14:38] 
[1:14:38] right?
[1:14:38] you're now the exception to the
[1:14:41] 
[1:14:41] rule.
[1:14:41] and so yeah I've struggled wit
[1:14:43] h
[1:14:43] it in exactly the same way.
[1:14:46] so we're now talking about the
[1:14:48] 
[1:14:48] needs of heartwood that have
[1:14:51] been up until this point kind o
[1:14:52] f
[1:14:52] spoken about as a, some way tha
[1:14:56] t
[1:14:56] funding would go straight to
[1:14:57] heartwood that would then, tha
[1:14:59] t
[1:14:59] would work in some way.
[1:15:00] and I said at the last meeting
[1:15:02] 
[1:15:02] I'll say it this one that
[1:15:03] anything like this I think it
[1:15:04] has to be focused on what the
[1:15:05] community gets from it, what t
[1:15:07] he
[1:15:07] benefits are, that would to me
[1:15:08] 
[1:15:08] mean open community events,
[1:15:11] community gatherings that, tha
[1:15:13] t
[1:15:13] you guys are either doing
[1:15:14] currently or that you would be
[1:15:16] 
[1:15:16] putting into place that, that
[1:15:18] I
[1:15:18] mean that is what our taxpayers
[1:15:19] 
[1:15:19] expect.
[1:15:19] is they expect that our funding
[1:15:21] 
[1:15:21] is going to supporting overall
[1:15:23] 
[1:15:23] something that benefits the
[1:15:24] community, but as someone had
[1:15:26] mentioned a, just a regular, n
[1:15:30] o
[1:15:30] interest loan.
[1:15:31] I don't know if that,and you
[1:15:33] mentioned, I mean you had a
[1:15:33] couple of -- trying to fill a
[1:15:35] gap, right, but then too, you'r
[1:15:37] e
[1:15:37] trying to pay off old debts, a
[1:15:39] nd
[1:15:39] get rid of the, the interest
[1:15:42] that's on that.
[1:15:42] I mean, what -- I know just cam
[1:15:45] e
[1:15:45] up here today, but what are you
[1:15:47] r
[1:15:47] thoughts overall about it?
[1:15:48] a no interest loan for that
[1:15:49] amount?
[1:15:49] >> I think any of those three
[1:15:51] you said the loan, the advanced
[1:15:53] 
[1:15:53] grant, or the reimbursable
[1:15:54] grant, we could work within the
[1:15:57] 
[1:15:57] measures of any of those three
[1:15:58] ,
[1:15:58] and I would want as much as yo
[1:16:00] u
[1:16:00] all for it to be completely
[1:16:01] transparent completely reported
[1:16:03] 
[1:16:03] on like I want no, you know, I
[1:16:05] 'm
[1:16:05] not interested in negative press
[1:16:06] 
[1:16:06] for heartwood.
[1:16:07] I want to be completely
[1:16:08] transparent in everything we're
[1:16:09] 
[1:16:09] is happy to provide whatever
[1:16:13] receipts are needed and you kno
[1:16:15] w
[1:16:15] to make sure that it's all don
[1:16:16] e
[1:16:16] above board and nothing's
[1:16:18] seedy.
[1:16:18] >> right but there is -- one's
[1:16:20] a
[1:16:20] forgivable loan which would be
[1:16:22] I
[1:16:22] mean similar to a grant in tha
[1:16:23] t
[1:16:23] we would give you the up front
[1:16:24] 
[1:16:24] money and then over time when
[1:16:26] it
[1:16:26] could be certain provisions are
[1:16:28] 
[1:16:28] met then that is, that gets
[1:16:30] taken off of the total amount o
[1:16:32] r
[1:16:32] it could be just a grant that'
[1:16:33] s
[1:16:33] on the front end or I guess a
[1:16:35] rerebimersable grant doesn't f
[1:16:38] ix
[1:16:38] the cash crunch in the
[1:16:39] short-term because as you said
[1:16:40] 
[1:16:40] at the last one, the summer is
[1:16:43] 
[1:16:43] where the cash crunch is comin
[1:16:44] g
[1:16:44] in but the other one would be a
[1:16:45] 
[1:16:45] no interest lane    loan.
[1:16:48] cash eventually that would be
[1:16:50] paid back over a point of time
[1:16:52] 
[1:16:52] so it's really a loan at that
[1:16:53] point.
[1:16:53] it's not a grant or some amoun
[1:16:54] t
[1:16:54] that is spent.
[1:16:56] >> that's, less helpful than t
[1:16:59] he
[1:16:59] other options maybe a band aid
[1:17:01] 
[1:17:01] but then we owe you a money in
[1:17:03] 
[1:17:03] the year or two so it's just a
[1:17:04] s
[1:17:04] we're kind of breaking even and
[1:17:07] 
[1:17:07] so yeah not -- I would favor t
[1:17:09] he
[1:17:09] options of a forgivable loan o
[1:17:13] r
[1:17:13] an advanced grant.
[1:17:17] >> I mean, that is what I walke
[1:17:18] d
[1:17:18] into this discussion with the
[1:17:19] idea of the with a forgivable
[1:17:21] loan of some amount that would
[1:17:24] 
[1:17:24] be forgiven upon the contingen
[1:17:28] t
[1:17:28] upon having publicly accessible
[1:17:30] 
[1:17:30] community events throughout th
[1:17:31] e
[1:17:31] year at some number that would
[1:17:33] 
[1:17:33] be, the over three-year period
[1:17:36] 
[1:17:36] is what I had written down her
[1:17:36] e
[1:17:36] that would just to ensure that
[1:17:39] 
[1:17:39] which I think is the best thing
[1:17:41] 
[1:17:41] that solves the cash crunch on
[1:17:43] 
[1:17:43] the front end and then ensures
[1:17:44] 
[1:17:44] that there is some community
[1:17:45] benefit to this on the back
[1:17:46] end.
[1:17:46] but does not solve the overall
[1:17:50] 
[1:17:50] question of, of how do you
[1:17:52] ensure that this is done
[1:17:53] fairly.
[1:17:53] we just don't I mean if we're,
[1:17:56] 
[1:17:56] if we believe, if we believe
[1:17:58] that this is something that
[1:17:59] needs to happen immediately,
[1:18:00] this has to happen before the
[1:18:03] summer, then we don't have
[1:18:04] time -- to the mayor's point I
[1:18:06] 
[1:18:06] like the idea of having
[1:18:06] revolving loans, mr. Mayor,
[1:18:08] making sure that we have that I
[1:18:10] n
[1:18:10] place, you know, to city
[1:18:12] manager's point we just don't
[1:18:13] have the time for that at the
[1:18:14] moment.
[1:18:14] but I do think that there is
[1:18:16] some kind of a solution we cou
[1:18:18] ld
[1:18:18] find here.
[1:18:18] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:18:19] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:18:20] commissioner eastman.
[1:18:20] I do want to point out that
[1:18:22] speaking of process, speaking to
[1:18:23] 
[1:18:23] process, we have off the top o
[1:18:26] f
[1:18:26] my head I can name three times
[1:18:28] 
[1:18:28] in the last few years when we'
[1:18:29] ve
[1:18:29] done almost exactly the same
[1:18:30] thing for more money.  And
[1:18:33] and that is got a $75,000 grant
[1:18:41] ,
[1:18:41] came and made a proposal, we
[1:18:43] said okay, here is your money.
[1:18:44] 
[1:18:44] the hippodrome didn't even make
[1:18:46] 
[1:18:46] a proposal just walked up and
[1:18:49] said we need $250,000.
[1:18:51] we said how about 150 I think
[1:18:53] was the number.
[1:18:54] and by the way, I voted for
[1:18:55] every one of these and I'm
[1:18:56] pretty sure that they were all
[1:18:58] 
[1:18:58] unanimous so I'm not casting a
[1:19:00] ny
[1:19:00] apirations -- aspersions here.
[1:19:03] 
[1:19:03] and last year we gave bread of
[1:19:05] 
[1:19:05] the m$100,000.
[1:19:06] now that waserary specifically
[1:19:08] 
[1:19:08] to go feed -- not saying that
[1:19:11] they're all the same.
[1:19:11] they're not.
[1:19:13] but I am saying that this is n
[1:19:16] ot
[1:19:16] out of the ordinary in the
[1:19:18] greater scheme of things, and I
[1:19:23] 
[1:19:23] think the lesson is that we nee
[1:19:24] d
[1:19:24] to find a way to make it less
[1:19:25] out of the ordinary and find a
[1:19:26] 
[1:19:26] way to create actual process s
[1:19:30] o
[1:19:30] that when people come say hey,
[1:19:32] 
[1:19:32] we need money, we say well
[1:19:34] there's a process for that ther
[1:19:36] e
[1:19:36] are right now processes that a
[1:19:41] re
[1:19:41] very much boxes that are built
[1:19:43] 
[1:19:43] and if you don't fit one -- if
[1:19:45] 
[1:19:45] you fit one of the boxes you
[1:19:47] probably don't need the money I
[1:19:48] n
[1:19:48] the first place.
[1:19:48] but if you don't, then there I
[1:19:49] s
[1:19:49] really nowhere where we can say
[1:19:51] 
[1:19:51] here, go there and do this and
[1:19:53] 
[1:19:53] we'll work through it with you
[1:19:56] .
[1:19:56] so but it is not out of the
[1:19:57] ordinary for this to happen a
[1:19:59] thing that we are asked of and
[1:20:01] 
[1:20:01] that we respond affirmatively
[1:20:03] to.
[1:20:03] commissioner ingle.
[1:20:10] >> I want to say I like the ide
[1:20:12] a
[1:20:12] that commissioner eastman
[1:20:13] floated about having some actua
[1:20:14] l
[1:20:14] deliverables for the community
[1:20:17] 
[1:20:17] that this would be going towar
[1:20:18] ds
[1:20:18] so there was some accountable
[1:20:20] for what that money was --
[1:20:22] accountability for what that
[1:20:22] money was for.
[1:20:23] but then also I would really
[1:20:24] like to take a look at what we
[1:20:27] 
[1:20:27] could do to establish a kind o
[1:20:30] f
[1:20:30] long-term program on making som
[1:20:30] e
[1:20:30] of these loans available both
[1:20:32] for economic development and
[1:20:36] arts programs and that, it's a
[1:20:41] 
[1:20:41] little bit of a cost on the up
[1:20:43] 
[1:20:43] front but it should be coming
[1:20:45] back and about break even, the
[1:20:47] 
[1:20:47] type of thing I talked to a lot
[1:20:48] 
[1:20:48] of businesses and developers
[1:20:49] that are like well I would rea
[1:20:50] l
[1:20:50] ay like to be able to do x but
[1:20:53] 
[1:20:53] money is 6.5% right now so it'
[1:20:55] s
[1:20:55] not even necessarily need, not
[1:20:57] 
[1:20:57] necessarily that everybody jus
[1:21:00] t
[1:21:00] needs a check but like the
[1:21:01] ability to get some pay backabl
[1:21:04] e
[1:21:04] money at a reasonable price tha
[1:21:05] t
[1:21:05] could keep economic development
[1:21:07] 
[1:21:07] going in the town if interest
[1:21:11] rates continue to explode and
[1:21:13] the economy in general slows
[1:21:14] down.
[1:21:14] so I think it might be a timely
[1:21:16] 
[1:21:16] thing for us to take a look at
[1:21:18] 
[1:21:18] in general.
[1:21:20] like I said as manager mentioned
[1:21:22] 
[1:21:22] I don't think you're going to
[1:21:23] be
[1:21:23] able to put that together to
[1:21:25] address this, but I think those
[1:21:27] 
[1:21:27] two things in tandem are
[1:21:29] something I can probably get
[1:21:30] behind.
[1:21:30] >> mayor: okay.
[1:21:31] thank you, commissioner ingle.
[1:21:33] 
[1:21:33] commissioner chestnut.
[1:21:35] >> okay.
[1:21:36] my question was going to be on
[1:21:39] 
[1:21:39] process.
[1:21:39] last year for the hippodrome.
[1:21:42] the hippodrome was in dire
[1:21:44] straits.
[1:21:44] they couldn't meet their
[1:21:45] payroll.
[1:21:45] and we stepped in to help them.
[1:21:50] 
[1:21:50] bread of the mighty --  food
[1:21:56] stamps.
[1:21:56] we had to meet that need
[1:21:57] immediately for our community.
[1:22:01] 
[1:22:01] trying to think of the other
[1:22:02] one.
[1:22:02] so that's the one thought.
[1:22:07] then I do not like reimbursabl
[1:22:10] e
[1:22:10] loans or payments because that
[1:22:12] 
[1:22:12] really doesn't help the
[1:22:14] organization you're trying to.
[1:22:15] 
[1:22:15] if they have to put up the money
[1:22:17] 
[1:22:17] first, then submit papers to y
[1:22:20] ou
[1:22:20] to be reimbursed it really
[1:22:24] doesn't serve their purpose.
[1:22:30] I don't think we can create the
[1:22:31] 
[1:22:31] program sitting up here today,
[1:22:33] 
[1:22:33] but just -- I'm just thinking
[1:22:35] that of course we have the
[1:22:37] tourist development council, and
[1:22:39] 
[1:22:39] I think that's probably where
[1:22:39] you got the money from from the
[1:22:41] 
[1:22:41] county was the tourist
[1:22:42] development council.
[1:22:44] then we have the north central
[1:22:47] 
[1:22:47] florida -- community
[1:22:52] foundation.
[1:22:52] I'm trying to think if there I
[1:22:54] s
[1:22:54] some kind of program we could
[1:22:56] create with them where we could
[1:22:57] 
[1:22:57] deposit funds and then let the
[1:23:01] m
[1:23:01] be the distributor.
[1:23:08] I don't know I'm just having,
[1:23:09] I'm just having a problem with
[1:23:10] 
[1:23:10] this one right here today.
[1:23:11] I'm having a -- I'm having a
[1:23:13] real problem with it.
[1:23:15] maybe something we need to sen
[1:23:17] d
[1:23:17] back to the manager.
[1:23:18] I thought we would -- with som
[1:23:20] e
[1:23:20] more direction, with some more
[1:23:22] 
[1:23:22] direction.
[1:23:22] but in the end they really may
[1:23:27] 
[1:23:27] generate the $50,000 they need
[1:23:29] 
[1:23:29] anyway by summer.
[1:23:32] she's gotten part of it.
[1:23:36] so I'm just having a problem
[1:23:38] with signing off on it today.
[1:23:41] I did not support giving money
[1:23:44] 
[1:23:44] for an auditor this morning.
[1:23:47] for our city program so I reall
[1:23:49] y
[1:23:49] have a problem trying to fund
[1:23:51] this now.
[1:23:52] so I probably would not vote t
[1:23:54] o
[1:23:54] fund it.
[1:23:58] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:23:58] commissioner chestnut.
[1:23:59] commissioner book.
[1:24:02] >> yes, mr. Mayor.
[1:24:02] so I'm in a similar place,
[1:24:03] right?
[1:24:03] I want to stay consistent with
[1:24:06] 
[1:24:06] the way that we fund
[1:24:07] organizations even those that
[1:24:09] have great potential and are
[1:24:10] greatly worthwhile, which is
[1:24:12] this one.
[1:24:13] but it's been a nonprofit for
[1:24:14] seven months, and it ran a
[1:24:16] deficit for several years, and
[1:24:17] 
[1:24:17] the only way I know that is
[1:24:19] because their own staff and the
[1:24:20] 
[1:24:20] folks who've funded it told us
[1:24:22] 
[1:24:22] that.
[1:24:22] that it run at deficit for
[1:24:24] several years, and it's only
[1:24:26] because they've moved to a
[1:24:27] nonprofit model and you have
[1:24:29] really proactive aggressive
[1:24:31] staff that they're in a positio
[1:24:32] n
[1:24:32] that they're far more
[1:24:34] financially solvent now.
[1:24:36] so that's a testament to the
[1:24:37] folks who are working there, a
[1:24:40] nd
[1:24:40] the director.
[1:24:41] kind of on the back end,
[1:24:43] commissioner duncan-walker was
[1:24:44] 
[1:24:44] talking about a process that's
[1:24:45] 
[1:24:45] more inclusive for arts and
[1:24:47] cultural affairs.
[1:24:48] I support that.
[1:24:49] that might be on the back end
[1:24:50] something that comes out.
[1:24:51] I think you have a little more
[1:24:52] 
[1:24:52] knowledge than I do in that.
[1:24:53] that we should in fact move
[1:24:55] forward a process to research
[1:24:57] that.
[1:24:57] because I think is it mayor pr
[1:25:01] o
[1:25:01] tem is the papi grant that is
[1:25:07] the one that is very narrowly
[1:25:08] tayered     taylered.
[1:25:11] well it probably shouldn't be s
[1:25:12] o
[1:25:12] narrowly tailored at this point
[1:25:14] 
[1:25:14] with the, with the plethora of
[1:25:16] 
[1:25:16] organizations.
[1:25:16] >> you may eat those words.
[1:25:19] [laughter]
[1:25:19] >> I don't think so.
[1:25:21] I won't.
[1:25:23] I just think there should be a
[1:25:25] 
[1:25:25] second motion that comes out
[1:25:26] that deals with allowing the
[1:25:29] city to determine better ways
[1:25:31] for potentially -- and it may
[1:25:34] not even be that grant.
[1:25:35] I'm pretty broad thinking in
[1:25:37] this regard.
[1:25:37] but I do think we need mike sur
[1:25:39] e
[1:25:39] that we're looking and -- make
[1:25:41] 
[1:25:41] sure that we're looking up and
[1:25:42] 
[1:25:42] staying up with times and
[1:25:43] friends for the way the --
[1:25:46] trends for the way those
[1:25:46] organizations provide those
[1:25:47] types of events and cultural
[1:25:48] development to the city.
[1:25:49] so that's second.
[1:25:51] as it relates to this money
[1:25:53] again I voted against providing
[1:25:54] 
[1:25:54] money to our own city this
[1:25:56] morning.
[1:25:56] and I know it's a different
[1:25:57] funding source.
[1:25:59] but there's no mechanism that
[1:26:01] after seven months as a
[1:26:02] nonprofit I could say that
[1:26:03] that's enough runway to see tha
[1:26:05] t
[1:26:05] we've done everything, and the
[1:26:06] re
[1:26:06] are some other options to look
[1:26:09] 
[1:26:09] at.
[1:26:09] it sounds to me like you
[1:26:10] director have actually you're
[1:26:13] uncovering quite a few options
[1:26:14] 
[1:26:14] and pursuing all those.
[1:26:15] couple others have been
[1:26:16] mentioned here.
[1:26:18] surplus equipment, and I think
[1:26:20] 
[1:26:20] we should see what happens in
[1:26:21] the coming months, and perhaps
[1:26:23] 
[1:26:23] after a year as a nonprofit tha
[1:26:27] t
[1:26:27] puts us on equal footing with
[1:26:29] other nonprofits asking us for
[1:26:31] 
[1:26:31] money and other existing fundi
[1:26:32] ng
[1:26:32] sources and then there are, and
[1:26:33] 
[1:26:33] then we're considering them
[1:26:35] amongst the other competition
[1:26:36] for such good work.
[1:26:37] so it is, this is merely about
[1:26:40] 
[1:26:40] the same process we are talkin
[1:26:41] g
[1:26:41] about this morning for me.
[1:26:42] thank you.
[1:26:44] >> mayor: all right, thank you
[1:26:45] 
[1:26:45] commissioner book.
[1:26:46] commissioner duncan-walker.
[1:26:47] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:26:49] just a really quick question t
[1:26:50] o
[1:26:50] staff.
[1:26:50] mr. Manager, how quickly, I know
[1:26:53] 
[1:26:53] we have a gpc coming up next
[1:26:55] week, but how quickly probably
[1:26:57] 
[1:26:57] not at that one do you think
[1:26:59] staff might be able to come bac
[1:27:00] k
[1:27:00] with some options for a process
[1:27:03] 
[1:27:03] to the commission based on wha
[1:27:04] t
[1:27:04] you've heard here today?
[1:27:09] >> can you be more specific?
[1:27:10] like what kind of process?
[1:27:11] >> so you've heard us today tal
[1:27:14] k
[1:27:14] about the, you've heard us talk
[1:27:15] 
[1:27:15] about a few things.
[1:27:16] you've heard us talk about
[1:27:17] grants but you've also heard u
[1:27:18] s
[1:27:18] talk about loans.
[1:27:20] you've heard us talk about pap
[1:27:21] I
[1:27:21] and I would personally be
[1:27:23] interested in entertaining all
[1:27:24] 
[1:27:24] of the options.
[1:27:25] now what I do understand about
[1:27:26] 
[1:27:26] papi is there was a little bit
[1:27:30] 
[1:27:30] of 3ugsback -- pushback by sta
[1:27:34] ff
[1:27:34] of altering that because there
[1:27:35] 
[1:27:35] are already major institutions
[1:27:37] 
[1:27:37] getting money out of the pot
[1:27:38] that max out with that grant
[1:27:39] which is why we -- none of us
[1:27:41] are the professionals up here
[1:27:43] that understand of the financing
[1:27:45] 
[1:27:45] behind that, et cetera,
[1:27:46] et cetera, so I'm curious if
[1:27:48] based on everything you've heard
[1:27:50] 
[1:27:50] us say here today from loans t
[1:27:53] o
[1:27:53] grants and to specifically the
[1:27:55] p
[1:27:57] api grant so we can be reminded
[1:27:59] 
[1:27:59] or informed about what the
[1:28:00] restrictions are or what our
[1:28:03] options are if we did decide we
[1:28:05] 
[1:28:05] wanted tosee staff kind of
[1:28:08] revisit and reformat that.
[1:28:09] those options and anymore that
[1:28:11] 
[1:28:11] staff could come back with, how
[1:28:14] 
[1:28:14] quickly do you think we could
[1:28:15] have that conversation or an
[1:28:16] agenda item?
[1:28:17] >> so I guess couple things.
[1:28:21] for the papi grants, those are
[1:28:26] 
[1:28:26] grants but they're essentially
[1:28:27] 
[1:28:27] sort of more baked into your
[1:28:28] budget.
[1:28:28] there is less of a competitive
[1:28:31] 
[1:28:31] process that goes into it.
[1:28:34] and my understanding is the
[1:28:38] issue that we discussed last
[1:28:40] time was that there are for art
[1:28:44] s
[1:28:44] producing organizations not art
[1:28:46] s
[1:28:46] presenting.
[1:28:46] so there is, so in one sense
[1:28:51] it's very easy because we can
[1:28:53] just change that to include art
[1:28:55] s
[1:28:55] presenting organizations as
[1:28:57] eligible as well, but then the
[1:28:59] re
[1:28:59] is the money piece and the
[1:29:01] existing organizations that are
[1:29:03] 
[1:29:03] already funded, and I think we
[1:29:05] 
[1:29:05] would, what we had talked about
[1:29:06] 
[1:29:06] last time was potentially if
[1:29:07] that was direction from the
[1:29:08] commission, we would bring tha
[1:29:10] t
[1:29:10] any recommendations back throu
[1:29:13] gh
[1:29:13] your budget process this year.
[1:29:15] 
[1:29:15] there is also the outside agenc
[1:29:18] y
[1:29:18] grant which is more competitive
[1:29:20] ,
[1:29:20] and it has like a larger
[1:29:21] diversity of nonprofits that
[1:29:25] apply.
[1:29:25] of which I believe heartwood I
[1:29:27] s
[1:29:27] eligible for but that's a
[1:29:28] smaller pot of money than papi.
[1:29:31] 
[1:29:31] similarly, I think that would b
[1:29:39] e
[1:29:39] something less of a programmati
[1:29:42] c
[1:29:42] change and more of a discussio
[1:29:43] n
[1:29:43] that you would all probably wan
[1:29:45] t
[1:29:45] to have around the actual total
[1:29:50] 
[1:29:50] amount.
[1:29:50] I think commissioner willits y
[1:29:52] ou
[1:29:52] brought up last time that both
[1:29:53] 
[1:29:53] of those funding sources have
[1:29:54] not been increased in a long
[1:29:55] time, so I'm not sure it's
[1:29:59] like -- we can come back for
[1:30:02] options for programmatic chang
[1:30:04] es
[1:30:04] that are relatively short but I
[1:30:05] 
[1:30:05] don't think that gets to the
[1:30:06] commission's point about if yo
[1:30:07] u
[1:30:07] all want to make room for a
[1:30:09] fourth organization to fund,
[1:30:12] that's going to be a budget
[1:30:13] discussion through your budget
[1:30:14] 
[1:30:14] process.
[1:30:14] I'm not worried about staff
[1:30:19] being able to come up with
[1:30:22] something in that sense, but I
[1:30:24] 
[1:30:24] don't want it to be a situation
[1:30:25] 
[1:30:25] where we rush staff forward and
[1:30:27] 
[1:30:27] we're still in the middle of
[1:30:28] this existing budget, in the
[1:30:29] middle of your budget process.
[1:30:30] 
[1:30:30] I would want to wrap that up
[1:30:32] with the discussion of
[1:30:33] everything else that we're going
[1:30:34] 
[1:30:34] to talk about with budget
[1:30:36] process this year.
[1:30:37] but we can certainly I think
[1:30:40] come back with some programmati
[1:30:43] c
[1:30:43] recommendations through that
[1:30:46] budget process and make sure
[1:30:47] that that, if that's the
[1:30:49] direction of the commission,
[1:30:50] that could be something that w
[1:30:52] e
[1:30:52] discuss during when parks comes
[1:30:53] 
[1:30:53] and presents the budget or I
[1:30:54] think those are maybe a
[1:30:56] nondepartmental right now so w
[1:30:57] e
[1:30:57] can have
[1:30:57] >> thank you.
[1:31:06] >> thank you.
[1:31:07] >> mayor: that leaves us at
[1:31:08] zero.
[1:31:08] I don't make motions as chair.
[1:31:12] 
[1:31:12] I would think what we would --
[1:31:21] I
[1:31:21] think what we would probably
[1:31:26] like is for the manager's offic
[1:31:27] e
[1:31:27] to come back to us with an ide
[1:31:30] a
[1:31:30] of what a loan might look like
[1:31:33] 
[1:31:33] and what a grant might look
[1:31:34] like, and how that would be
[1:31:41] possible and if nobody wants t
[1:31:42] o
[1:31:43] make that motion, that means we
[1:31:44] 
[1:31:44] don't want to do this, and
[1:31:45] that's okay as well.
[1:31:46] commissioner willits?
[1:31:48] >> I think I'm getting closer t
[1:31:50] o
[1:31:50] a motion.
[1:31:50] I know delay is not great, but
[1:31:57] 
[1:32:00] we do have -- the potential
[1:32:08] option to advance was for city
[1:32:10] 
[1:32:10] funds and audit rights.
[1:32:11] that's where I'm leaning right
[1:32:14] 
[1:32:14] now with 55,000.
[1:32:15] with some sort of option for -
[1:32:17] -
[1:32:18] I'm sure you'll open to lots o
[1:32:20] f
[1:32:20] public things when a nonprofit
[1:32:21] 
[1:32:21] is hosting this, that or the
[1:32:22] other.
[1:32:22] some sort of build in about
[1:32:29] public access.
[1:32:30] the grant suggests the public
[1:32:32] 
[1:32:32] has to be involved somehow,
[1:32:34] there has to be an option.
[1:32:34] some sort of -- I don't know
[1:32:43] what city staff would envision
[1:32:44] ,s
[1:32:44] maybe between now and next week
[1:32:46] ,
[1:32:46] come up with -- yeah, we do hav
[1:32:50] e
[1:32:50] a need for a location.
[1:32:53] we're going to record somethin
[1:32:55] g.
[1:32:55] commissioner eastman plays
[1:32:59] guitar?
[1:32:59] banjo, maybe he's going to hav
[1:33:02] e
[1:33:03] a city commission band who wan
[1:33:05] ts
[1:33:05] to.
[1:33:05] I say that as a joke, but if
[1:33:07] there's something we could be
[1:33:09] 
[1:33:09] useful for us, it could be
[1:33:11] slotted in, public access,
[1:33:12] benefiting the city directly o
[1:33:15] r
[1:33:15] just the public.
[1:33:16] I'm leaning toward that secon
[1:33:18] option to bring it back next
[1:33:21] week.
[1:33:21] which I know is a further dela
[1:33:23] y,  none wants thear.
[1:33:24] none wants thear.
[1:33:24] my motion is that we look at t
[1:33:30] he
[1:33:30] next gpc, staff brings back the
[1:33:32] 
[1:33:33] option of an advanced grant wit
[1:33:35] h
[1:33:35] required backup documentation,
[1:33:38] 
[1:33:38] with specific funds and
[1:33:43] public -- some sort of
[1:33:45] expectation of public access
[1:33:47] events for a time period or in
[1:33:49] a
[1:33:49] time period for the full
[1:33:51] $55,000.
[1:33:51] >> mayor: how about the 23rd
[1:33:57] instead of next week.
[1:33:58] >> let's do the 23rd.
[1:34:05] >> second.
[1:34:12] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:34:13] >> I did want to hear.
[1:34:16] I was going to -- I thought we
[1:34:18] 
[1:34:18] needed to make a call on it, I
[1:34:20] 
[1:34:20] would be curious what the city
[1:34:22] 
[1:34:22] manager had to say.
[1:34:23] from my understanding of this
[1:34:25] 
[1:34:25] conversation, I don't think
[1:34:26] staff thought this was a
[1:34:28] complicated thing that it neede
[1:34:30] d
[1:34:30] to be written, prewritten, we
[1:34:33] 
[1:34:33] could have that direction here
[1:34:35] 
[1:34:35] today.
[1:34:35] you have your light on, is that
[1:34:36] 
[1:34:36] right?
[1:34:36] >> yeah.
[1:34:38] >> I think commissioner willits
[1:34:47] 
[1:34:47] motion is clear.
[1:34:48] we can take that, what I would
[1:34:50] 
[1:34:50] say in terms of the public
[1:35:01] facing, if it's open to the
[1:35:03] public, that's something that
[1:35:05] 
[1:35:05] hartwood is amenable to.
[1:35:07] that gives us action, we make
[1:35:12] 
[1:35:12] that session here today.
[1:35:12] I don't think we need to bring
[1:35:14] 
[1:35:14] it back, the only complicated
[1:35:16] 
[1:35:16] factor would be if there was -
[1:35:19] -
[1:35:20] if there was a desire to walk
[1:35:23] 
[1:35:23] down the loan front.
[1:35:24] then we would need to come up
[1:35:27] 
[1:35:27] with repayment terms, et cetera
[1:35:28] ,
[1:35:28] et cetera.
[1:35:29] if the commission wants to do
[1:35:32] 
[1:35:32] the advance grant with those
[1:35:35] stipulations, and the discussio
[1:35:36] n
[1:35:36] that we had about making sure
[1:35:40] 
[1:35:40] that it is for eligible
[1:35:42] expenses, on going eligible
[1:35:46] expenses, not past debt, I thi
[1:35:48] nk
[1:35:48] it's -- our preference would
[1:35:51] probably be, as miss carnes
[1:35:53] indicated, some of the equipment
[1:35:55] 
[1:35:55] costs because those are long
[1:35:57] term capital investment that I
[1:35:59] 
[1:36:00] think would have benefit beyon
[1:36:03] d
[1:36:04] just necessarily paying for
[1:36:06] staffing or salaries or things
[1:36:08] 
[1:36:08] like that, that would be our
[1:36:18] 
[1:36:18] if that's the will of the
[1:36:21] commission, we could decide tha
[1:36:23] t
[1:36:23] today and give staff enough to
[1:36:24] 
[1:36:24] move forward.
[1:36:25] >> to me, it's important that I
[1:36:28] t
[1:36:28] have -- it doesn't feel right
[1:36:33] 
[1:36:33] paying for equipment.
[1:36:33] it's for a multiprivate
[1:36:36] organization.
[1:36:36] I think structuring -- whether
[1:36:38] 
[1:36:38] it's a grant or forgivable loan
[1:36:41] 
[1:36:41] that is based on a certain
[1:36:43] number of events that get done
[1:36:45] 
[1:36:45] over the course of time.
[1:36:45] 15 years seems like a bit.
[1:36:50] a three-year forgivable loan
[1:36:53] that were open to the public,
[1:36:54] 
[1:36:54] which I think are pretty much I
[1:36:55] n
[1:36:55] there, I'm happy to defer that
[1:36:57] 
[1:36:58] to staff to kick that over, wha
[1:36:59] t
[1:36:59] the community expects and what
[1:37:01] 
[1:37:01] the city already does, we have
[1:37:02] 
[1:37:03] events that are open to the
[1:37:04] public that people can come to
[1:37:06] .
[1:37:06] we -- that is a part of what w
[1:37:08] e
[1:37:08] do as a community.
[1:37:09] this is an extension of that t
[1:37:12] o
[1:37:12] an organization that does that
[1:37:14] 
[1:37:14] very well.
[1:37:15] I guess I'm comfortable with
[1:37:17] what you have.
[1:37:18] I think that gets in the same
[1:37:19] 
[1:37:19] direction.
[1:37:19] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:37:23] commissioner eastman.
[1:37:23] I like the idea of a three-year
[1:37:25] 
[1:37:28] forgivable loan.
[1:37:29] as opposed to straight out.
[1:37:29] >> my original.
[1:37:32] >> mayor: commissioner duncan
[1:37:35] 
[1:37:35] walker?
[1:37:35] >> I was going to ask if the
[1:37:38] maker of the motion would be
[1:37:39] willing to add that to the
[1:37:41] motion?
[1:37:41] >> my preference is, it is
[1:37:44] forgivable.
[1:37:44] we give the money now.
[1:37:45] >> to have staff to bring back
[1:37:48] 
[1:37:48] loan options so we can see.
[1:37:49] >> I side more with commissione
[1:37:52] r
[1:37:52] eastman, let's get this done
[1:37:54] right now.
[1:37:55] if it didn't need to come back
[1:37:57] ,
[1:37:57] the motion was clear enough, I
[1:37:58] 
[1:37:59] would prefer today.
[1:38:00] in my heart of hearts, I like
[1:38:02] 
[1:38:02] the had idea of a forgivable
[1:38:04] loan.
[1:38:04] we get some documentation at
[1:38:06] some point and we see some -- I
[1:38:08] f
[1:38:08] it's four events a year, you
[1:38:12] know, then they say yeah, we d
[1:38:13] id
[1:38:13] this, it was great, it was fun,
[1:38:16] 
[1:38:16] at the end, it's a forgivable
[1:38:19] 
[1:38:19] loan.
[1:38:19] a forgivable loan is less of ou
[1:38:22] r
[1:38:22] knowledge base, that's why I
[1:38:24] lean more toward getting
[1:38:26] something done today.
[1:38:26] just to be clear, you know what,
[1:38:29] 
[1:38:29] I withdraw my motion and we wi
[1:38:31] ll
[1:38:31] start a new motion.
[1:38:32] this is literally how the
[1:38:34] sausage is made.
[1:38:35] >> that is why I said that, I
[1:38:43] 
[1:38:43] like something the mayor
[1:38:44] brought up, it would take us I
[1:38:46] n
[1:38:46] a different direction in terms
[1:38:47] 
[1:38:47] of giving us the ability to be
[1:38:49] 
[1:38:49] able to regenerate the pot of
[1:38:53] 
[1:38:53] money.
[1:38:53] so a loan, whatever the options
[1:38:56] are
[1:38:56] are from all of us.
[1:39:02] we're still able to provide a
[1:39:04] 
[1:39:04] service, now we don't have the
[1:39:06] 
[1:39:06] responsibility of, here we hav
[1:39:07] e
[1:39:07] to carve this out in the budget
[1:39:09] .
[1:39:09] I think that's very important
[1:39:10] 
[1:39:10] for us, it's part of our
[1:39:14] responsibility for the people
[1:39:16] 
[1:39:16] who expect us to be able to
[1:39:19] support the arts, but also in
[1:39:21] 
[1:39:21] these lean times, do it as
[1:39:24] fiscally responsible as we can
[1:39:25] .
[1:39:25] >> we can make the motion.
[1:39:28] >> I can definitely make the
[1:39:31] motion.
[1:39:31] let's see.
[1:39:33] I move that staff come back wit
[1:39:41] h
[1:39:41] options for a loan program tha
[1:39:44] t
[1:39:44] will support arts organization
[1:39:46] s,
[1:39:46] not currently served.
[1:39:49] and I guess I could put the
[1:39:52] period there.
[1:39:52] does that cover what we need?
[1:39:53] >> second.
[1:39:53] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[1:39:57] a
[1:39:57] second.
[1:39:57] anything snels.
[1:39:58] >> no, I think that's it.
[1:40:00] >> mayor: commissioner eastman?
[1:40:01] 
[1:40:01] >> that's fine, we can move on
[1:40:03] 
[1:40:03] the current motion.
[1:40:06] >> mayor: okay.
[1:40:07] we need to ask for public
[1:40:08] comment.
[1:40:08] we don't have any.
[1:40:10] >> I would like to see what the
[1:40:12] 
[1:40:12] motion is that we're voting on.
[1:40:13] 
[1:40:13] there have been several.
[1:40:15] >> mayor: it will take us a
[1:40:18] moment to get it on screen.
[1:40:19] >> broadcast, I have it up.
[1:40:22] there we go.
[1:40:24] >> mayor: do you want to put a
[1:40:33] n
[1:40:33] amount on there?
[1:40:34] >> no, I don't want to put an
[1:40:37] 
[1:40:37] amount on there.
[1:40:37] I want staff to.
[1:40:43] >> mayor: do you want to put a
[1:40:44] 
[1:40:45] date on there?
[1:40:45] >> can you bring it back to gp
[1:40:47] c
[1:40:48] on the 23rd?
[1:40:49] I'm trying to take a little
[1:40:51] pressure off from you.
[1:40:52] >> that's the second gpc of th
[1:40:58] e
[1:41:00] month.
[1:41:00] we can, yes.
[1:41:01] is this to serve heartwood or?
[1:41:12] 
[1:41:12] I'm confused.
[1:41:16] does this need to be done for
[1:41:18] 
[1:41:18] her to apply?
[1:41:18] >> well, this is great for the
[1:41:20] 
[1:41:21] community, it's not actually
[1:41:22] what hartwood was requesting.
[1:41:22] we were requesting money we won
[1:41:26] 
[1:41:27] the owe you to kind of -- I'm
[1:41:29] 
[1:41:29] trying to avoid being back her
[1:41:31] e
[1:41:32] next year asking again.
[1:41:33] so a loan we would have to pay
[1:41:40] 
[1:41:40] off doesn't fix that need.
[1:41:42] it won't be ready for us in tim
[1:41:44] e
[1:41:44] for summer.
[1:41:45] >> understood.
[1:41:45] >> I think it's a great motion
[1:41:50] .
[1:41:50] >> I think if this is the
[1:41:54] direction that the commission
[1:41:55] 
[1:41:55] wants to do from a programmati
[1:41:58] c
[1:41:58] standpoint, then I think that'
[1:42:00] s
[1:42:00] a separate motion than dealing
[1:42:03] 
[1:42:03] with heart wood.
[1:42:04] we can do this, we don't need
[1:42:08] 
[1:42:08] necessarily, if you all want I
[1:42:09] t
[1:42:09] on the 23rd for initial
[1:42:11] discussion.
[1:42:11] I think part of the budget
[1:42:14] process, we wouldn't need to
[1:42:15] actually put some money in to
[1:42:17] 
[1:42:17] the initial loan amount.
[1:42:18] and my recommendation would
[1:42:20] again be let's do that as part
[1:42:23] 
[1:42:23] of the budget process.
[1:42:24] but I think if the commission
[1:42:26] 
[1:42:26] wants to deal with hartwood,
[1:42:34] they're two separate things.
[1:42:35] does that make sense?
[1:42:38] >> it does.
[1:42:38] >> and again n a competitive
[1:42:45] way.
[1:42:45] >> in a competitive process,
[1:42:47] where the city is able to recou
[1:42:49] p
[1:42:49] their funds.
[1:42:50] I have no problem with that
[1:42:52] being a part of the budgetary
[1:42:54] 
[1:42:54] solution.
[1:42:54] we have this one on the table.
[1:42:56] 
[1:42:56] but it's not applied to
[1:43:00] heart wood.
[1:43:01] we need another one going to
[1:43:04] heart wood.
[1:43:07] >> am I taking the 23rd off?
[1:43:07] >> yes.
[1:43:08] >> thank you.
[1:43:19] >> okay.  That is something
[1:43:21] that is something we can handl
[1:43:22] e
[1:43:23] during the -- should we vote
[1:43:25] affirmatively on this, that's
[1:43:26] 
[1:43:26] something we can do during the
[1:43:27] 
[1:43:28] budget process.
[1:43:28] we still have the question to
[1:43:31] 
[1:43:31] deal with, but is there any
[1:43:32] other question about this
[1:43:36] particular motion?
[1:43:36] all in favor?
[1:43:39] any opposed?
[1:43:40] that passes unanimously, as par
[1:43:43] t
[1:43:43] of the on going process.
[1:43:45] at some number.
[1:43:45] now, that's not a definite
[1:43:48] number, and we can work that o
[1:43:49] ut
[1:43:49] as we go.
[1:43:50] I do think that has tremendous
[1:43:54] 
[1:43:54] long term potential, even at a
[1:43:55] 
[1:43:56] low number.
[1:43:56] I think it gets a lot of
[1:43:58] organizations over a hump,
[1:44:00] without having to put it on
[1:44:02] someone's credit card.
[1:44:02] the truth,that's what arts
[1:44:07] organizations get funded with,
[1:44:08] 
[1:44:09] someone's high interest credit
[1:44:11] 
[1:44:11] card.
[1:44:11] it's rarely a situation with
[1:44:14] nonprofits and particularly art
[1:44:16] s
[1:44:16] nonprofits and for profit, to
[1:44:18] 
[1:44:18] make a profit.
[1:44:19] and it's harder to be stable
[1:44:22] without the community's suppor
[1:44:24] t.
[1:44:24] that still leaves us with the
[1:44:26] 
[1:44:26] question we have on the agenda
[1:44:28] 
[1:44:29] today.
[1:44:29] commissioner eastman?
[1:44:31] >> for the point of this, I'm
[1:44:33] 
[1:44:33] happy to review it, I think
[1:44:35] there's a lot that need -- how
[1:44:37] 
[1:44:37] we're going to make up our
[1:44:40] budget gap that we have, I
[1:44:41] consider this part of the
[1:44:42] overall policy process, and I'l
[1:44:44] l
[1:44:44] be curious what staff comes bac
[1:44:46] k
[1:44:46] with.
[1:44:46] I hope just to be on the up
[1:44:49] front about it, in the same vie
[1:44:52] w
[1:44:52] as the hippo drome came out for
[1:44:55] 
[1:44:56] $250,000 initially?
[1:44:57] >> mayor: that's what think
[1:44:59] asked, I don't think we gave
[1:45:01] them 250.
[1:45:02] >> I think in that same spirit
[1:45:04] ,
[1:45:04] I hear what you're saying about
[1:45:06] 
[1:45:06] the 55,000.
[1:45:06] I move to approve $45,000 to b
[1:45:10] e
[1:45:11] taken out of excess fund balan
[1:45:13] ce
[1:45:13] to be forgiven over three year
[1:45:15] s,
[1:45:15] contingent on continued
[1:45:17] operations, and hosting at lea
[1:45:19] st
[1:45:19] four free community accessible
[1:45:23] 
[1:45:23] events per year.
[1:45:24] >> second.
[1:45:24] >> mayor: okay.
[1:45:28] we have a motion and a second.
[1:45:32] 
[1:45:32] is there any conversation or
[1:45:34] misunderstanding about that.
[1:45:35] >> what we're doing right now,
[1:45:36] 
[1:45:37] events downtown, about $5,000
[1:45:39] 
[1:45:39] per.
[1:45:39] so events over a three-year
[1:45:42] period, it would be $60,000 for
[1:45:44] 
[1:45:44] what we're currently putting o
[1:45:45] ut
[1:45:45] there.
[1:45:45] >> this is less than that.
[1:45:47] >> yeah, this is less than that
[1:45:49] .
[1:45:49] >> mayor: any questions about
[1:45:55] 
[1:45:55] the current motion?
[1:45:55] all in favor, please say aye.
[1:45:56] >> aye.
[1:45:59] >> mayor: any opposed?
[1:46:00] >> nay.
[1:46:03] >> 45,000?
[1:46:05] >> yes.
[1:46:06] so you were --
[1:46:12] >> yes, I just want to make sur
[1:46:14] e
[1:46:14] we're talking about 45 instead
[1:46:15] 
[1:46:16] of 55.
[1:46:16] >> yes.
[1:46:17] >> and commissioner duncan
[1:46:20] walker you were nay?
[1:46:21] >> nay.
[1:46:23] >> mayor: I'm yea.
[1:46:27] that passes 4-3, with book,
[1:46:30] chestnut and duncan walker in
[1:46:32] 
[1:46:32] dissent.
[1:46:32] is that accurate?
[1:46:33] >> correct.
[1:46:33] >> mayor: all right.
[1:46:37] there you go.
[1:46:38] >> I want to thank you all for
[1:46:41] 
[1:46:41] taking the time to discuss thi
[1:46:43] s
[1:46:43] in multiple meetings.
[1:46:45] we're thankful for your su
[1:46:48] heart wood and the arts.
[1:46:51] mr. Manager and mr. Attorneys
[1:47:00] 
[1:47:00] [ inaudible ]
[1:47:00] >> mayor: madam clerk.
[1:47:03] >> madam mayor, 2026-226,
[1:47:07] northeast 8th avenue corridor
[1:47:08] 
[1:47:08] improvements.
[1:47:08] the city commission authorize
[1:47:12] 
[1:47:12] the city manager to proceed wit
[1:47:14] h
[1:47:14] the redesign of northeast 8th
[1:47:17] 
[1:47:17] avenue from waldo road to loft
[1:47:22] en
[1:47:22] high school.
[1:47:24] return to the city commission
[1:47:26] 
[1:47:26] with a construction agreement
[1:47:28] 
[1:47:28] with the northeast 8th avenue.
[1:47:36] 
[1:47:36] >> mayor: welcome back.
[1:47:36] >> we have a presentation today
[1:47:38] 
[1:47:39] to show you some proposed
[1:47:42] concept you'll concepts of the
[1:47:43] 
[1:47:44] northeast 8th avenue corridor
[1:47:47] 
[1:47:47] improvements.
[1:47:47] this presentation is going to
[1:47:49] 
[1:47:49] provide some options, and then
[1:47:50] 
[1:47:50] what our recommendations are
[1:47:54] currently.
[1:47:54] the portion of the road -- I'm
[1:47:59] 
[1:47:59] sorry, there's two parts.
[1:48:07] dr. Chase and I will be
[1:48:10] presenting on the portion of th
[1:48:11] e
[1:48:11] road that we are designing.
[1:48:13] ultimately, we're just looking
[1:48:15] 
[1:48:15] for some recommendations for
[1:48:17] approval to move forward with
[1:48:18] 
[1:48:18] some recommendations that we
[1:48:22] have.
[1:48:22] >> mayor: good.
[1:48:28] >> good afternoon, mona konach
[1:48:32] et
[1:48:32] with nb5.
[1:48:35] I'm going to go through what
[1:48:41] informed our options and design
[1:48:42] 
[1:48:43] decisions.
[1:48:43] for the corridor.
[1:48:44] we'll talk about public
[1:48:46] involvement, how we got citizen
[1:48:47] s
[1:48:47] involveds in neighborhood
[1:48:50] residents.
[1:48:50] I'll go through a general
[1:48:52] project overview, where we are,
[1:48:53] 
[1:48:53] what we're doing, go through t
[1:48:54] he
[1:48:54] existing conditions.
[1:48:56] some data, traffic and
[1:48:58] transportation data.
[1:48:58] the options we came up with, a
[1:49:00] nd
[1:49:00] then our recommendations.
[1:49:06] so that's the title.
[1:49:08] last year on the 29th of may.
[1:49:11] we held a public workshop.
[1:49:14] this was an opportunity for us
[1:49:16] 
[1:49:16] to present not only the citizens
[1:49:19] 
[1:49:19] field revitalization plan for
[1:49:21] 
[1:49:21] the site, but as well as our
[1:49:23] street scapes plan.
[1:49:24] we had about 60 attendees, and
[1:49:27] 
[1:49:28] we set up stations so that
[1:49:29] residents could come and speak
[1:49:30] 
[1:49:30] with us, ask us questions and
[1:49:32] 
[1:49:32] tell us their concerns or thing
[1:49:33] s
[1:49:33] they want to see in their
[1:49:37] neighborhood.
[1:49:37] some feedback we got on that,
[1:49:40] 
[1:49:40] definitely speed was an issue
[1:49:41] 
[1:49:41] through some segments of eight
[1:49:43] h
[1:49:44] avenue.
[1:49:44] they wanted bike lanes with the
[1:49:47] 
[1:49:47] green pavement markings, some
[1:49:50] 
[1:49:50] enhanced pedestrians crossings,
[1:49:51] 
[1:49:52] whether that's the raised
[1:49:54] intersections and spied humps o
[1:49:56] r
[1:49:56] flashing beacons and fluorescent
[1:49:59] 
[1:49:59] signage.
[1:49:59] some landscape medians,
[1:50:02] especially west of waldo.
[1:50:04] some had concerns with the
[1:50:06] median openings along eighth
[1:50:08] avenue.
[1:50:08] and we also requested -- spoke
[1:50:11] 
[1:50:11] about a pedestrians bridge ove
[1:50:14] r
[1:50:16] waldo road.
[1:50:16] >> good afternoon, chase knigh
[1:50:18] t
[1:50:19] city engineer, based on their
[1:50:22] 
[1:50:22] review and analysis of the
[1:50:24] corridor, like lana said, and
[1:50:27] 
[1:50:27] incorporating some of the
[1:50:29] feedback they just spoke about,
[1:50:30] 
[1:50:30] they came up with options and
[1:50:33] 
[1:50:33] recommendations, staff
[1:50:35] subsequently took those
[1:50:37] recommended options to provide
[1:50:39] 
[1:50:44] information and feedback to the
[1:50:46] 
[1:50:46] community.
[1:50:46] I do apologize, there's a typo
[1:50:48] 
[1:50:49] on the date for the last one, I
[1:50:51] s
[1:50:51] 2026.
[1:50:51] so I'll circle back later on I
[1:50:55] n
[1:50:55] the presentation, after you've
[1:50:56] 
[1:50:56] had a chance to see those
[1:50:58] recommendations and summarize
[1:50:59] 
[1:50:59] what the feedback was at these
[1:51:00] 
[1:51:00] events.
[1:51:00] >> so project overview, where w
[1:51:08] e
[1:51:08] are, what we're doing.
[1:51:11] so part of our citizens field
[1:51:14] 
[1:51:14] site plan, we were tasked with
[1:51:15] 
[1:51:17] reviewing the street scapes
[1:51:18] along eighth avenue and waldo
[1:51:20] 
[1:51:20] road.
[1:51:20] our approach to this was using
[1:51:22] 
[1:51:23] something called complete
[1:51:24] streets and a multimodal
[1:51:26] approach.
[1:51:26] that's a mouthful.
[1:51:27] this approach focuses on makin
[1:51:30] g
[1:51:30] drive ways -- driving and
[1:51:33] roadways safe for not only
[1:51:35] drivers, but pedestrians,
[1:51:38] cyclists, motorcyclists, and
[1:51:41] even people using public
[1:51:43] transit.
[1:51:43] some examples of street scapes,
[1:51:45] 
[1:51:46] you'll see those zippers, green
[1:51:48] 
[1:51:48] bike line markings, adding bik
[1:51:51] e
[1:51:51] lanes, planting trees on
[1:51:53] sidewalks for protection.
[1:51:53] and shade.
[1:51:56] you'll see flashing pedestrians
[1:51:59] 
[1:52:00] signs.
[1:52:00] updating bus stops with those
[1:52:03] 
[1:52:03] shelters, so people are more
[1:52:05] comfortable while they're
[1:52:06] waiting.
[1:52:06] we broke up the corridor.
[1:52:09] our focus was really eighth
[1:52:12] avenue.
[1:52:12] that will be west of waldo and
[1:52:15] 
[1:52:15] east of waldo.
[1:52:16] so west of waldo, we went from
[1:52:19] 
[1:52:19] the round about on 9th to waldo
[1:52:22] 
[1:52:23] road.
[1:52:23] we shifted gears east of waldo,
[1:52:25] 
[1:52:26] we have from waldo road to
[1:52:29] northeast 22nd street, that's
[1:52:30] 
[1:52:30] where our limits stopped.
[1:52:32] and then city of gainesville
[1:52:34] staff picked up on northeast
[1:52:37] 22nd all the way to lofton hig
[1:52:39] h
[1:52:40] school.
[1:52:40] some existing conditions, what'
[1:52:42] s
[1:52:42] out there now.
[1:52:43] west of waldo, you got a curb
[1:52:47] 
[1:52:47] and gutter section, have you
[1:52:49] landscape medians throughout,
[1:52:51] 
[1:52:51] with nice planted trees and lef
[1:52:53] t
[1:52:53] turn lane openings, there's a 3
[1:52:55] 5
[1:52:55] mile per hour speed limit, the
[1:52:57] 
[1:52:58] sidewalks are five feet on bot
[1:52:59] h
[1:52:59] sides, there are no bike lanes.
[1:53:03] 
[1:53:03] east of waldo, so for a segment
[1:53:06] 
[1:53:06] of it, waldo road to 22nd, hav
[1:53:09] e
[1:53:10] you a 30 mile per hour design
[1:53:11] 
[1:53:11] speed, it's a little lower, you
[1:53:14] 
[1:53:15] have five foot sidewalks as
[1:53:16] well, no bike lanes, you have
[1:53:19] 
[1:53:19] really wide travel lanes, so
[1:53:21] it's about 34 feet of total
[1:53:23] pavement width, so 17 -- 16 1/2
[1:53:27] 
[1:53:27] foot travel lanes.
[1:53:28] and then the segment that city
[1:53:30] 
[1:53:31] of gainesville staff worked on
[1:53:32] ,
[1:53:32] that was northeast 22nd to
[1:53:37] lofton high school.
[1:53:38] the pavement varies, you have
[1:53:40] 
[1:53:40] curb and gutter for the first
[1:53:43] 
[1:53:43] segment, from 22nd street to
[1:53:45] 22nd terrace, and then you hav
[1:53:48] e
[1:53:48] those 34 feet of pavement.
[1:53:49] from 22nd terrace to 25th
[1:53:52] street, it narrows down to abo
[1:53:54] ut
[1:53:54] 23 feet of pavement.
[1:53:55] and then from 25th to lofton I
[1:53:57] t
[1:53:58] kind of widens a little bit, to
[1:53:59] 
[1:53:59] a foot.
[1:53:59] also through here, 30 miles per
[1:54:03] 
[1:54:03] hour, with your five foot
[1:54:06] sidewalk.
[1:54:06] I'm an engineer, I like data t
[1:54:09] o
[1:54:10] inform my design decisions.
[1:54:11] we pulled # some traffic data,
[1:54:13] 
[1:54:14] looked at how many cars were o
[1:54:14] ut
[1:54:14] there.
[1:54:14] we had counts west of waldo,
[1:54:20] east of waldo, we also had som
[1:54:22] e
[1:54:23] estimated geospatial data that
[1:54:25] 
[1:54:26] we worked with the traffic gro
[1:54:27] up
[1:54:27] to get those numbers, as you can
[1:54:29] 
[1:54:29] see for a local road that is
[1:54:31] really truly a neighborhood.
[1:54:32] there is a lot of traffic out
[1:54:34] 
[1:54:34] there, especially around
[1:54:36] citizens field which was our
[1:54:38] focus area.
[1:54:39] you've got cyclists, so again
[1:54:41] 
[1:54:41] our focus area was around
[1:54:43] citizens field, you have block
[1:54:44] s
[1:54:45] right there on eighth avenue
[1:54:47] west of waldo, a lot of bikes,
[1:54:49] a
[1:54:49] lot of pedestrians going throu
[1:54:53] gh
[1:54:53] there.
[1:54:53] like I mentioned, 35 miles per
[1:54:55] 
[1:54:56] hour west of waldo, 35 miles p
[1:54:59] er
[1:54:59] hour east of waldo.
[1:55:00] you can see west of waldo,
[1:55:03] people pretty go at 32.5 miles
[1:55:07] 
[1:55:07] an hour, they're following the
[1:55:08] 
[1:55:08] speed limit.
[1:55:08] east of waldo is where we
[1:55:11] noticed -- we start to see an
[1:55:14] 
[1:55:14] uptick in speed, they're going
[1:55:15] 
[1:55:15] about 38 miles per hour.
[1:55:16] and then the city of gainesvil
[1:55:19] le
[1:55:19] segment, which is 22nd to
[1:55:26] loften, it drops to 26, what
[1:55:28] people are driving out there
[1:55:29] where it narrows.
[1:55:29] my least favorite part of the
[1:55:36] 
[1:55:36] data is the crash history, so w
[1:55:37] e
[1:55:37] did a five-year crash analysis.
[1:55:40] 
[1:55:40] this is from january 2020 to
[1:55:44] december 24.
[1:55:45] 75 crashes, which may not seem
[1:55:48] 
[1:55:48] like a lot in five years, but I
[1:55:50] t
[1:55:50] is.
[1:55:50] you're going through a local
[1:55:52] road, a neighborhood.
[1:55:53] that's about one crash a month.
[1:55:56] 
[1:55:56] there were no fatalities which
[1:55:59] 
[1:55:59] was great, but there were four
[1:56:00] 
[1:56:00] that resulted in a serious
[1:56:02] injury, and six that included
[1:56:05] 
[1:56:05] bicyclists, pedestrians or
[1:56:07] motorcycles.
[1:56:07] ultimately our goal is to make
[1:56:09] 
[1:56:09] the streets safe, especially f
[1:56:11] or
[1:56:11] vulnerable users like
[1:56:13] pedestrians and cyclists.
[1:56:14] so using this data, we came up
[1:56:17] 
[1:56:17] with some options.
[1:56:18] our first option here, this is
[1:56:25] 
[1:56:25] going to be west of waldo road.
[1:56:27] 
[1:56:27] the curb and gutter position
[1:56:30] with the medians.
[1:56:31] we're proposing maintaining the
[1:56:34] 
[1:56:35] existing curbline, maybe
[1:56:36] enhancing them a little bit.
[1:56:37] but we'd like to say let's add
[1:56:41] a
[1:56:41] 10-foot shared use path on the
[1:56:44] 
[1:56:44] north side of the road, and kee
[1:56:45] p
[1:56:45] the existing sidewalk on the
[1:56:47] other.
[1:56:47] this gives an option for maybe
[1:56:52] 
[1:56:53] cyclists like maybe families o
[1:56:54] n
[1:56:55] bikes that don't necessarily
[1:56:56] feel comfortable riding on the
[1:56:58] 
[1:56:58] road.
[1:56:58] this makes room for two-way
[1:57:01] traffic on bikes, and it reall
[1:57:02] y
[1:57:03] makes it a gateway to citizens
[1:57:05] 
[1:57:05] field.
[1:57:05] total estimated cost for just
[1:57:07] 
[1:57:07] the resurfacing, and restriping
[1:57:09] ,
[1:57:09] no path, came out to about
[1:57:12] $900,000.
[1:57:12] and to add the path on the nor
[1:57:14] th
[1:57:14] was an additional 800,000.
[1:57:18] option 2 for west of waldo, thi
[1:57:22] s
[1:57:22] is complete redesign of the
[1:57:24] typical section, you have your
[1:57:26] 
[1:57:26] curb and gutter section, you'r
[1:57:27] e
[1:57:28] taking out those land scape
[1:57:29] medians and putting in bike
[1:57:32] lanes.
[1:57:32] you would have to reconstruct
[1:57:34] 
[1:57:34] the road under the medians, you
[1:57:36] 
[1:57:36] would add striping.
[1:57:37] we do like the idea of the
[1:57:39] protected bike lanes, whether
[1:57:41] 
[1:57:41] that's with zippers or striping,
[1:57:42] 
[1:57:42] and particularly using that
[1:57:45] green pavement marking.
[1:57:46] that bike lane would be 4 1/2
[1:57:49] 
[1:57:49] feet.
[1:57:49] and we would propose that share
[1:57:52] d
[1:57:52] use path.
[1:57:53] total cost without the path
[1:57:55] would be 1.6 million.
[1:57:58] with the path with be an
[1:58:00] additional 100,000.
[1:58:01] now we're shifting gears, we're
[1:58:03] 
[1:58:03] on the other side of waldo roa
[1:58:07] d
[1:58:08] now.
[1:58:08] still a curb and gutter section
[1:58:13] 
[1:58:13] with the stripings.
[1:58:14] we're going to restripe it to
[1:58:17] 
[1:58:17] add the protected bike lanes
[1:58:19] with the zippers and potential
[1:58:20] ly
[1:58:20] add a shared use path on the
[1:58:23] north or south side of the road
[1:58:25] .
[1:58:25] currently there's no shared use
[1:58:27] 
[1:58:27] path, it's just sidewalks.
[1:58:29] so some challenges with that.
[1:58:31] right now on this portion of
[1:58:34] eighth, we have really mature,
[1:58:37] 
[1:58:37] beautiful large trees on the
[1:58:38] north side of the road.
[1:58:39] and on the south side of the
[1:58:41] road, you have a lot of overhe
[1:58:43] ad
[1:58:43] utilities, so if you were to
[1:58:48] just do the path -- if you were
[1:58:49] 
[1:58:49] just to do the road, resurface
[1:58:51] 
[1:58:51] the road, restripe it and add
[1:58:54] 
[1:58:54] the bike lanes, that would be
[1:58:56] 
[1:58:56] 1.9 million.
[1:58:57] for the traffic calming, you
[1:58:59] have your raised intersections
[1:59:00] 
[1:59:00] and enhanced crosswalks, that
[1:59:02] 
[1:59:02] would be an additional 1.7
[1:59:04] million.
[1:59:04] if you were to take out those
[1:59:07] 
[1:59:07] trees which add a lot of
[1:59:08] character to the neighborhood.
[1:59:09] 
[1:59:09] add shading and protection to
[1:59:11] 
[1:59:11] the sidewalk, that's going to
[1:59:12] be
[1:59:12] an additional 1.3 million.
[1:59:15] on the other side, in order to
[1:59:17] 
[1:59:17] underground the utilities, add
[1:59:19] 
[1:59:19] lighting and add other
[1:59:21] utilities, that would be an
[1:59:22] additional $3 million.
[1:59:23] some of these, you start to --
[1:59:25] I
[1:59:25] tried to make it modular, so w
[1:59:27] e
[1:59:27] could look at it in sections.
[1:59:31] here's option two.
[1:59:34] we would still maintain the
[1:59:37] existing curbline.
[1:59:37] we don't want to widen the road
[1:59:39] ,
[1:59:39] there's not a lot of room out
[1:59:41] 
[1:59:41] there.
[1:59:41] we don't want to reconstruct
[1:59:43] things.
[1:59:43] we're trying to use what we
[1:59:46] have.
[1:59:46] here we're proposing two new
[1:59:48] landscape medians, there's onl
[1:59:50] y
[1:59:50] two locations along the projec
[1:59:51] t.
[1:59:51] I have a slide later so becan
[1:59:54] 
[1:59:54] talk about the openings.
[1:59:55] there's only two locations whe
[1:59:56] re
[1:59:56] we can add some landscape
[1:59:59] medians and a center turn lane
[2:00:00] .
[2:00:00] we can add a shared use path o
[2:00:02] n
[2:00:03] the north, south or no path at
[2:00:04] 
[2:00:05] all.
[2:00:05] that breakdown kind of
[2:00:07] discussing those mature trees,
[2:00:08] 
[2:00:09] the utilities and how that's
[2:00:11] broken down with the additional
[2:00:11] 
[2:00:11] cost
[2:00:11] so northeast 22nd.
[2:00:19] waldo to northeast 22nd, we hav
[2:00:22] e
[2:00:22] our proposed option 3.
[2:00:23] this is everything.
[2:00:24] how do we go through and add
[2:00:27] everything we can.
[2:00:28] we started with maintaining the
[2:00:32] 
[2:00:33] existing sidewalks.
[2:00:33] providing two more narrow
[2:00:37] medians, it wouldn't necessarily
[2:00:39] 
[2:00:39] meet that turn lane width, it
[2:00:41] 
[2:00:41] would be a little more narrow.
[2:00:42] 
[2:00:42] and then you have -- you would
[2:00:44] 
[2:00:44] utilize the curb and gutter to
[2:00:46] 
[2:00:46] get a five foot bike lane, and
[2:00:48] 
[2:00:48] the travel lanes would be more
[2:00:50] 
[2:00:51] narrow, 10 feet instead of 11
[2:00:52] 
[2:00:52] feet, like on the other side o
[2:00:54] f
[2:00:55] waldo road.
[2:00:55] same thing here, we broke it
[2:01:00] down.
[2:01:00] without the path, that would b
[2:01:01] e
[2:01:02] 2.1 million, to add in those
[2:01:04] landscape medians, add in those
[2:01:07] 
[2:01:07] raised intersections, and
[2:01:08] whether we put the path on the
[2:01:09] 
[2:01:09] north or south, or whether we
[2:01:11] 
[2:01:11] don't at all.
[2:01:11] so this was that breakdown I w
[2:01:14] as
[2:01:14] talking about earlier with the
[2:01:17] 
[2:01:18] median openings, so when we
[2:01:20] looked at the -- all the drive
[2:01:22] 
[2:01:22] way entrances and side street
[2:01:24] 
[2:01:24] entrances, you can see there's
[2:01:25] a
[2:01:26] ton along that road.
[2:01:27] it's a lot of -- there's not a
[2:01:30] 
[2:01:30] lot of opportunity to put in n
[2:01:32] ew
[2:01:32] medians without blocking
[2:01:35] someone's access, and our goal
[2:01:37] 
[2:01:37] was to not impact any access for
[2:01:39] 
[2:01:39] homes, churches, businesses,
[2:01:41] anything along this road.
[2:01:49] >> it looks like we may have a
[2:01:51] 
[2:01:52] little formatting issue here.
[2:01:53] I apologize for that.
[2:01:55] these next three slides really
[2:01:59] 
[2:01:59] represent one overall option
[2:02:02] broken into three mini-segment
[2:02:03] s.
[2:02:03] overall, we're looking at
[2:02:06] northeast 22nd street to the
[2:02:08] school property line or the end
[2:02:09] 
[2:02:09] of the road, as I call it.
[2:02:11] so that total estimated cost I
[2:02:14] s
[2:02:14] $2.1 million, so that
[2:02:17] encompasses all three here, not
[2:02:18] 
[2:02:18] each slide that we're looking
[2:02:20] 
[2:02:20] at.
[2:02:20] the first portion here continu
[2:02:23] es
[2:02:23] from northeast 22nd street to
[2:02:27] 
[2:02:27] 22nd terrace, where there is t
[2:02:30] he
[2:02:30] section that continues from tha
[2:02:32] t
[2:02:32] previous section.
[2:02:34] really, this one would just be
[2:02:36] 
[2:02:37] matching the proposed option
[2:02:39] one, and continuing the
[2:02:41] protected bike lanes, through
[2:02:43] 
[2:02:43] the end of the curb section at
[2:02:44] 
[2:02:44] 22nd terrace.
[2:02:45] once we get past 22nd terrace,
[2:02:50] 
[2:02:51] we move into a narrower, overal
[2:02:53] l
[2:02:53] narrower pavement with no curb
[2:02:55] 
[2:02:55] and gutter.
[2:02:56] and the proposal here is to kee
[2:03:01] 
[2:03:01] that pavement and add a multiu
[2:03:03] se
[2:03:03] path on the north side of the
[2:03:09] 
[2:03:09] road.
[2:03:09] as we move past northeast 25th
[2:03:11] 
[2:03:12] street, going toward the end o
[2:03:13] f
[2:03:13] the road, similarly, the
[2:03:18] pavement would remain in
[2:03:20] existence, and be resurfaced.
[2:03:22] and then the ten foot multiuse
[2:03:27] 
[2:03:27] path would switch over to the
[2:03:29] 
[2:03:29] south side of the road due to
[2:03:33] 
[2:03:33] the alignment of the ditch which
[2:03:36] 
[2:03:36] is part of the creek system on
[2:03:38] 
[2:03:38] the north side of the roadway.
[2:03:38] 
[2:03:38] >> based on all that, we have
[2:03:48] 
[2:03:48] our proposed recommendations, s
[2:03:53] o
[2:03:53] we propose option 1 for west o
[2:03:55] f
[2:03:56] waldo, so this would be
[2:03:58] maintaining that existing
[2:03:59] curbline in the landscape
[2:04:01] medians, and adding a 10-foot
[2:04:04] 
[2:04:04] shared use path on the north
[2:04:05] side of the road and keep the
[2:04:08] 
[2:04:08] existing sidewalk on the other.
[2:04:08] 
[2:04:08] this will be a total existing
[2:04:12] 
[2:04:12] cost of 1.7 million.
[2:04:15] for waldo road to 27th street,
[2:04:19] 
[2:04:19] we recommend maintaining
[2:04:24] existing curbline and we do not
[2:04:26] 
[2:04:27] propose put youing in a shared
[2:04:29] 
[2:04:29] use path because of those trees
[2:04:31] 
[2:04:31] and overhead utilities.
[2:04:32] that would come to an estimated
[2:04:35] 
[2:04:35] cost of 3.6 million.
[2:04:36] >> going back to the section
[2:04:40] east of 22nd street to the
[2:04:42] school to losten school, the
[2:04:45] property line, that is the sam
[2:04:48] e
[2:04:48] recommended option broken into
[2:04:50] 
[2:04:50] the three sections at a total
[2:04:52] 
[2:04:52] cost of 2.1 million.
[2:04:56] >> some other recommendations
[2:04:58] 
[2:04:58] are some pedestrians
[2:05:00] improvements, especially at som
[2:05:02] e
[2:05:02] mid block crossings.
[2:05:04] >> mayor: commissioner duncan
[2:05:06] 
[2:05:06] walker, did you want to ask now
[2:05:07] 
[2:05:07] or later?
[2:05:08] >> no.
[2:05:09] >> mayor: go ahead.
[2:05:09] >> some examples of that are
[2:05:13] going to be your rectangular
[2:05:16] flashing beacons.
[2:05:18] your fluorescent crosswalksign
[2:05:20] s
[2:05:20] with flashing beacons.
[2:05:26] they flash, people stop, you can
[2:05:27] 
[2:05:27] cross.
[2:05:27] we're suggesting raised median
[2:05:35] s.
[2:05:35] it provides extra safety for
[2:05:38] pedestrians, and traffic calmi
[2:05:40] ng
[2:05:40] for those people that are
[2:05:41] speeding.
[2:05:41] >> there are two designs alrea
[2:05:47] dy
[2:05:47] in progress, at northeast 11th
[2:05:49] 
[2:05:51] terrace, and in between 13th a
[2:05:53] nd
[2:05:53] 14th which is right around
[2:05:56] citizens field and the fire
[2:06:00] station location.
[2:06:00] east of waldo road, we have a
[2:06:04] 
[2:06:04] couple mid block crossings,
[2:06:05] which will be your rapid
[2:06:07] flashing beacons, and we have a
[2:06:08] 
[2:06:09] couple raised intersections.
[2:06:10] this would be at 15th, 17th
[2:06:16] street, 19th terrace, which wil
[2:06:18] l
[2:06:18] be a raised intersection.
[2:06:19] and 22nd street, which be a
[2:06:21] raised intersection.
[2:06:21] and then two mid block
[2:06:26] crossings, which already exist
[2:06:27] 
[2:06:28] would be your rapid beacons.
[2:06:31] we also coordinated with rts t
[2:06:34] o
[2:06:34] see if they were doing any
[2:06:36] improvements through here based
[2:06:37] 
[2:06:37] on ridership.
[2:06:38] they are planning ada
[2:06:41] improvements at six bus stops o
[2:06:44] n
[2:06:44] eighth avenue, these costs wer
[2:06:45] e
[2:06:46] not included add part of our
[2:06:47] scope.
[2:06:47] they are also doing an
[2:06:51] improvement to the mid block
[2:06:51] crossing at waldo road.
[2:06:52] >> so we've looked at the
[2:06:59] recommended options and what
[2:07:01] this slide does is total those
[2:07:05] 
[2:07:06] recommendations for the portion
[2:07:08] 
[2:07:08] between waldo road and loften
[2:07:13] 
[2:07:13] school.
[2:07:13] that estimate is $5.7 million,
[2:07:15] 
[2:07:15] that would be the resurfacing
[2:07:17] 
[2:07:17] project, plus the recommended
[2:07:20] 
[2:07:20] improvements that we are
[2:07:22] proposing to move forward with
[2:07:23] .
[2:07:23] and as promised, I wanted to g
[2:07:26] o
[2:07:26] back to this slide while I
[2:07:28] discuss some of the feedback
[2:07:30] that we got on the recommended
[2:07:31] 
[2:07:34] options.
[2:07:34] so first was discussion on
[2:07:36] speeding.
[2:07:36] there were neighbors present a
[2:07:38] t
[2:07:39] the meetings that didn't
[2:07:41] necessarily feel that speeding
[2:07:42] 
[2:07:42] was a concern.
[2:07:42] we did reiterate the data that
[2:07:45] 
[2:07:45] we have, that shows that there
[2:07:49] 
[2:07:49] is an increase speed along tha
[2:07:51] t
[2:07:51] section of the roadway.
[2:07:53] there was also concern about t
[2:07:55] he
[2:07:55] installation of the raised
[2:07:59] intersection, traffic calming
[2:08:01] 
[2:08:01] measures, and we did provide t
[2:08:02] he
[2:08:02] examples of -- and provide the
[2:08:05] 
[2:08:06] clarification that these aren'
[2:08:07] t
[2:08:07] the speed humps, but they're
[2:08:09] raised intersections, which are
[2:08:11] 
[2:08:13] more gentle than what you
[2:08:15] experienced driving over a spe
[2:08:16] ed
[2:08:16] bump or a speed hump.
[2:08:18] the second discussion was
[2:08:23] surrounding the bike lanes.
[2:08:24] there were neighbors concerned
[2:08:25] 
[2:08:25] about the installation of
[2:08:28] zippers, and staff did express
[2:08:31] 
[2:08:32] that during the design phase.
[2:08:33] if we do more forward with the
[2:08:36] 
[2:08:36] zippers, the placement of the
[2:08:40] 
[2:08:40] zippers would be thoroughly
[2:08:43] thought out in consideration o
[2:08:44] f
[2:08:44] drive ways and access points.
[2:08:45] and turning radius.
[2:08:49] third there was a discussion o
[2:08:55] n
[2:08:55] trees.
[2:08:55] there were neighbors concerned
[2:08:58] 
[2:08:59] about trees causing damage to
[2:09:00] 
[2:09:00] the roadway, and falling
[2:09:03] branches, and we did express
[2:09:04] that would be a consideration
[2:09:07] 
[2:09:07] during the design phase.
[2:09:08] we could evaluate trees and see
[2:09:10] 
[2:09:10] if any of that would need to be
[2:09:12] 
[2:09:13] removed, and potentially
[2:09:13] replanted.
[2:09:13] and then there were drainage
[2:09:18] concerns in some specific area
[2:09:19] s,
[2:09:19] and again those are items that
[2:09:21] 
[2:09:21] we would definitely be able to
[2:09:23] 
[2:09:24] review during the design phase
[2:09:25] 
[2:09:25] and look at ways to mitigate
[2:09:27] those concerns.
[2:09:27] >> I just want to add a few mor
[2:09:40] e
[2:09:40] things.
[2:09:40] there were some concerns about
[2:09:42] 
[2:09:43] the usage of the road through
[2:09:46] 
[2:09:46] the corridor and in are a lot o
[2:09:48] f
[2:09:48] churches along that stretch of
[2:09:49] 
[2:09:49] road, that utilize the roadway
[2:09:51] 
[2:09:51] for funerals, church events,
[2:09:54] things like that, that was one
[2:09:55] 
[2:09:56] of the asks from the community.
[2:09:57] 
[2:09:57] I know we're going to set up a
[2:09:59] 
[2:09:59] second meeting with a couple o
[2:10:01] f
[2:10:01] the different pastors to talk
[2:10:03] 
[2:10:03] about how they generally have
[2:10:05] 
[2:10:05] events, and where people park,
[2:10:06] 
[2:10:07] because with cycle lanes, you
[2:10:09] 
[2:10:09] know, obviously there may be
[2:10:11] somewhat of a, do we need to
[2:10:14] move people off on to a path o
[2:10:18] r
[2:10:18] sidewalk.
[2:10:18] we're going to be paying
[2:10:20] particular attention to and
[2:10:22] visiting some of the usages of
[2:10:23] 
[2:10:23] the road.
[2:10:24] we do have some more meetings
[2:10:27] 
[2:10:27] that we have promised to set u
[2:10:30] p
[2:10:30] to get with folks about what
[2:10:34] they see, because as chase
[2:10:35] mentioned, there's a differenc
[2:10:37] e
[2:10:37] of opinion on speeding.
[2:10:38] there were some drainage
[2:10:41] concerns that we can address,
[2:10:42] 
[2:10:42] based on what I saw with my
[2:10:44] initial assessment.
[2:10:46] and just overall usages, bike
[2:10:49] 
[2:10:49] pass.
[2:10:49] the general consensus on the
[2:10:52] bike pass.
[2:10:52] a lot of folks weren't sure if
[2:10:55] 
[2:10:55] folks would use a cycle lane, I
[2:10:57] f
[2:10:57] you don't have one, there's not
[2:10:59] 
[2:10:59] an opportunity for that, there
[2:11:00] 's
[2:11:00] only the sidewalk, the zippers
[2:11:02] 
[2:11:02] were the big concern.
[2:11:03] that was a big note for them.
[2:11:06] a big note for a lot of folks.
[2:11:08] 
[2:11:08] I think there's -- there's no
[2:11:12] 
[2:11:12] design that's been done.
[2:11:13] there's no survey, we just nee
[2:11:16] d
[2:11:16] the general direction of, we're
[2:11:17] 
[2:11:18] resurfacing the road with the
[2:11:19] 
[2:11:19] comp plan and edcm engineering
[2:11:23] 
[2:11:23] design and construction manual
[2:11:25] ,
[2:11:25] we are required to consider
[2:11:27] multimodal facilities, that's
[2:11:29] 
[2:11:29] prt of our overall requirement,
[2:11:30] 
[2:11:30] which is one of the reasons why
[2:11:31] 
[2:11:31] you're seeing the bike lanes
[2:11:32] proposed.
[2:11:32] the last thing I wanteto
[2:11:42] mention was, there are medians
[2:11:42] 
[2:11:42] on the west side of waldo, and
[2:11:43] 
[2:11:43] that was at that community's
[2:11:47] request.
[2:11:47] I think I may have covered all
[2:11:49] 
[2:11:49] that.
[2:11:49] and you guys can move on to th
[2:11:50] e
[2:11:50] next slide.
[2:11:51] >> so the recommendation at han
[2:12:03] d
[2:12:03] is the city commission
[2:12:05] authorized the city manager to
[2:12:07] 
[2:12:07] proceed with the design and
[2:12:09] permitting of the northeast
[2:12:11] eighth avenue project from wal
[2:12:13] do
[2:12:13] road to the western property
[2:12:16] line of loften high school, and
[2:12:18] 
[2:12:19] return to the city commission
[2:12:20] 
[2:12:20] with a construction agreement
[2:12:21] 
[2:12:21] for the northeast eighth avenu
[2:12:26] e
[2:12:26] construction project to the
[2:12:27] property line of the loften hig
[2:12:28] h
[2:12:28] school.
[2:12:28] >> mayor: okay.
[2:12:30] thank you.
[2:12:31] commissioner duncan walker.
[2:12:34] >> thank you, mr. Mayor, and
[2:12:36] thank you, staff for that
[2:12:37] presentation.
[2:12:37] I have a couple questions to
[2:12:42] begin with.
[2:12:42] I'll be very forthcoming in
[2:12:45] saying I'm interested in hearing
[2:12:46] 
[2:12:46] what the community members who
[2:12:47] 
[2:12:48] have shown up here today have t
[2:12:50] o
[2:12:50] say.
[2:12:50] because what has become clear
[2:12:52] 
[2:12:52] is, they have not had an
[2:12:54] opportunity to weigh-in on his.
[2:12:55] 
[2:12:55] my first question is, what types
[2:12:57] 
[2:12:57] of notices did you all send ou
[2:12:59] t
[2:12:59] to the community?
[2:12:59] >> for the public workshop?
[2:13:07] >> any types of notices that
[2:13:09] would have let anyone who's
[2:13:11] impacted by this project know
[2:13:13] 
[2:13:13] what you're proposing.
[2:13:13] >> I can't speak for the may
[2:13:18] 2025 one, but in terms of the
[2:13:20] 
[2:13:20] most recent event, so we first
[2:13:23] 
[2:13:23] heard about some concerns with
[2:13:25] 
[2:13:25] northeast eighth back in
[2:13:26] december at one of our greater
[2:13:28] 
[2:13:28] duvall meetings, public works
[2:13:30] 
[2:13:30] does participate in a monthly
[2:13:33] 
[2:13:33] meeting on the second monday o
[2:13:34] f
[2:13:35] every month from 12:00 to 1:00
[2:13:37] ,
[2:13:37] it's just a free come and go,
[2:13:39] 
[2:13:39] and we chat with whoever's
[2:13:41] there, and find out what their
[2:13:42] 
[2:13:43] concerns are.
[2:13:43] there's also a greater duvall
[2:13:46] 
[2:13:46] neighborhood association meeti
[2:13:47] ng
[2:13:47] on the 3rd monday night of eve
[2:13:49] ry
[2:13:49] month and we participate in
[2:13:53] that.
[2:13:53] we had been talking with all
[2:13:54] those folks who attended.
[2:13:56] we were going to have a
[2:13:57] particular meeting, and that w
[2:14:01] as
[2:14:01] three mondays ago -- maybe thr
[2:14:04] ee
[2:14:04] mondays ago.
[2:14:04] we went ahead -- and had a
[2:14:10] meeting on march 25th.
[2:14:11] we did not send out flyers or
[2:14:14] 
[2:14:14] anything like that we sent out
[2:14:15] 
[2:14:16] emails tough the greater
[2:14:20] duvall exchange.
[2:14:20] we have more work to do with
[2:14:23] communication and meeting with
[2:14:23] 
[2:14:23] people, and a lot of it has bee
[2:14:25] n
[2:14:25] word of mouth.
[2:14:26] >> so let me -- in the interest
[2:14:28] 
[2:14:28] of saving a little bit of time
[2:14:31] 
[2:14:31] and being very forthright.
[2:14:33] I did share this with you, tha
[2:14:35] t
[2:14:36] is a hot button issue and a
[2:14:38] problem for me.
[2:14:39] right now, one of the reasons
[2:14:41] 
[2:14:41] that this room is full of peopl
[2:14:43] e
[2:14:43] from east gainesville, and I
[2:14:46] believe a few are also
[2:14:47] downstairs, is because they
[2:14:49] received no notification.
[2:14:50] I'm looking at at least four
[2:14:53] people that live directly on
[2:14:55] northeast 8th avenue west of
[2:14:56] waldo road, who received no
[2:14:59] notification.
[2:14:59] I know the duncans received no
[2:15:02] 
[2:15:03] notification, I know my next
[2:15:05] door neighbor received no
[2:15:06] notification.
[2:15:06] you hear from this commission
[2:15:09] 
[2:15:09] just about every commission
[2:15:10] meeting now, when we have these
[2:15:12] 
[2:15:12] major projects, that
[2:15:14] notification is something that
[2:15:17] the communi
[2:15:18] the community expects, and
[2:15:19] something that we expect.
[2:15:20] I'm not prepared to make any
[2:15:24] kind of decision today on those
[2:15:25] 
[2:15:25] grounds alone.
[2:15:26] at the end of the day, we've n
[2:15:29] ot
[2:15:29] had the opportunity to engage
[2:15:32] 
[2:15:32] with the people in the way tha
[2:15:33] t
[2:15:34] we have said we are going to.
[2:15:37] and frankly, we can take a loo
[2:15:39] k
[2:15:39] at what a lot of people have
[2:15:41] serious issues with on northwest
[2:15:45] 
[2:15:45] eighth avenue, and see why the
[2:15:46] re
[2:15:46] are a lot of concerns.
[2:15:47] I call it the 3c's, what
[2:15:51] happened with northwest 8th
[2:15:53] avenue, that's brought about
[2:15:54] contention, confusion and
[2:15:58] congestion.
[2:15:58] and the individuals on the
[2:16:02] eastside of waldo road and
[2:16:03] probably a little bit before
[2:16:04] that, but certainly, I've had a
[2:16:06] 
[2:16:06] chance to hear from the
[2:16:08] individuals on the eastside of
[2:16:09] 
[2:16:10] waldo road who do not want to
[2:16:11] 
[2:16:11] see that happen, but you have
[2:16:13] 
[2:16:13] not engaged with them.
[2:16:14] so you cannot properly provide
[2:16:17] 
[2:16:17] this commission with any type o
[2:16:19] f
[2:16:19] information regarding that.
[2:16:19] I understand there were some
[2:16:21] meetings that were convened, I
[2:16:23] 'm
[2:16:23] glad you went to them.
[2:16:24] but a lot of the people in thi
[2:16:27] s
[2:16:27] room, don't go to those
[2:16:28] meetings.
[2:16:28] there are people in this room
[2:16:30] 
[2:16:30] who didn't receive the emails.
[2:16:33] 
[2:16:33] so I am suggesting that until a
[2:16:35] 
[2:16:36] much more robust community
[2:16:40] engagement experience is had,
[2:16:41] this commission is not in
[2:16:43] anyway prepared to have this
[2:16:47] discussion.
[2:16:47] I have engaged with a number o
[2:16:50] f
[2:16:50] people who are using multimodal
[2:16:52] 
[2:16:53] transport.
[2:16:53] some of them want bike lanes,
[2:16:56] 
[2:16:56] and some of them don't for a
[2:16:57] number of reasons.
[2:16:58] but you won't know that unless
[2:17:02] 
[2:17:03] the table is prepared for them
[2:17:04] 
[2:17:04] to come sit with us, and have
[2:17:05] 
[2:17:05] that conversation.
[2:17:05] I'm going to conclude for now,
[2:17:13] 
[2:17:14] because I'm very interested in
[2:17:15] 
[2:17:15] hearing what the people who cam
[2:17:16] e
[2:17:16] to speak to this issue have to
[2:17:18] 
[2:17:18] say.
[2:17:18] I want to hear what my
[2:17:21] colleagues have to say.
[2:17:22] but I'm a little more intereste
[2:17:24] d
[2:17:24] in hearing from them today,
[2:17:26] because they've been cheated o
[2:17:29] ut
[2:17:29] of an opportunity to speak.
[2:17:31] I'm not interests in a decision,
[2:17:34] 
[2:17:34] I'm interested in a conversatio
[2:17:36] n
[2:17:36] today that will lead to the
[2:17:40] broader discussion that is rea
[2:17:42] l
[2:17:42] community engagement, and
[2:17:45] frankly that I'll probably put
[2:17:47] 
[2:17:47] out there, it will probably be
[2:17:49] a
[2:17:49] meeting that I'll convene.
[2:17:50] I'm going to stop talking, mr.
[2:17:52] 
[2:17:53] mayor, for now.
[2:17:54] I'm happy to hear from my
[2:17:56] colleagues, and I'm certainly
[2:17:58] 
[2:17:58] happy to hear from the
[2:18:00] community.
[2:18:00] I'm sorry this has been the
[2:18:01] experience.
[2:18:01] this is is what we said we would
[2:18:04] 
[2:18:04] not do, and I do have this
[2:18:06] question, before I release wit
[2:18:11] h
[2:18:11] my comments.
[2:18:11] did we in anyway engage with the
[2:18:14] 
[2:18:14] office of governmental
[2:18:16] affairs -- government relations
[2:18:17] 
[2:18:17] and community affairs, I believe
[2:18:18] 
[2:18:18] it is, aren't they now a part o
[2:18:21] f
[2:18:21] our process?
[2:18:22] did we engage with them?
[2:18:24] >> they were at the same
[2:18:25] meetings as us, yes.
[2:18:26] >> no, did we engage with them
[2:18:29] 
[2:18:30] to ask them --
[2:18:30] >> not to coordinate any
[2:18:33] additional meetings.
[2:18:33] >> correct.
[2:18:35] andrew, let me ask you this
[2:18:38] question.
[2:18:38] help me understand what our
[2:18:42] community engagement process I
[2:18:43] s
[2:18:43] now with that office?
[2:18:44] >> yes, to your point, we are
[2:18:48] 
[2:18:48] working on a community
[2:18:50] engagement guide going-forward,
[2:18:51] 
[2:18:52] that's still in draft form, we
[2:18:53] 
[2:18:53] will be finalizing it,ing and
[2:18:55] 
[2:18:55] sending it on to the commission
[2:18:57] .
[2:18:57] it talks about how the
[2:18:59] departments do engagement with
[2:19:04] 
[2:19:05] my office through the governmen
[2:19:06] t
[2:19:06] affairs community relations
[2:19:08] team.
[2:19:08] I do want to -- I think gail m
[2:19:10] ay
[2:19:10] have touched on this, but I
[2:19:13] do -- miss mowry may have
[2:19:14] touched on this, this was
[2:19:18] originally part of that -- the
[2:19:19] 
[2:19:19] overall 8th and waldo process.
[2:19:21] 
[2:19:21] the overall engagement.
[2:19:25] during that process, there had
[2:19:28] 
[2:19:28] been, I think programmed an
[2:19:32] engagement workshop just about
[2:19:34] 
[2:19:34] the street scapes.
[2:19:35] but because of all the changes
[2:19:37] 
[2:19:37] that we went through with the
[2:19:40] 
[2:19:40] scope and changing the design,
[2:19:45] 
[2:19:45] the streetscape portion got
[2:19:48] broken out as a separate
[2:19:51] project, and it didn't have a
[2:19:52] 
[2:19:52] specific engage thamt was part
[2:19:54] 
[2:19:54] of the original scope with the
[2:19:56] 
[2:19:56] eighth and waldo overall
[2:19:59] project.
[2:19:59] I do want to mention a couple
[2:20:02] 
[2:20:02] things that I think are -- wou
[2:20:04] ld
[2:20:04] probably be relevant now.
[2:20:06] this is still very early on.
[2:20:09] so I think the -- to your poin
[2:20:14] t,
[2:20:14] if there's -- I know staff has
[2:20:20] 
[2:20:20] already had additional engage a
[2:20:22] m
[2:20:22] coming up with community.
[2:20:23] certainly, if the commission
[2:20:30] provides that direction and
[2:20:31] decides to delay any sort of
[2:20:34] design vote, that's certainly
[2:20:36] 
[2:20:36] the commission's prerogative,
[2:20:39] 
[2:20:39] and we would understand that.
[2:20:40] importantly too, I do not
[2:20:42] believe we actually have
[2:20:44] construction funding lined up
[2:20:45] 
[2:20:45] for any of this.
[2:20:46] right now, all we're talking
[2:20:48] about is the $500,000 roughly
[2:20:50] 
[2:20:50] for design.
[2:20:50] so we would need to identify h
[2:20:53] ow
[2:20:53] to actually fund construction.
[2:20:54] 
[2:20:54] so I do want to make sure,
[2:20:58] because we've had a couple roa
[2:20:59] d
[2:21:00] projects that have been designe
[2:21:01] d
[2:21:01] a long time ago, and then
[2:21:04] finally funded.
[2:21:04] I don't want the commission to
[2:21:06] 
[2:21:06] think this is one of those
[2:21:10] processes where the community
[2:21:11] 
[2:21:11] that construction is imminent.
[2:21:13] 
[2:21:13] you can make a vote, two months
[2:21:15] 
[2:21:15] from now we're going to be out
[2:21:16] 
[2:21:16] there doing the work, that's n
[2:21:17] ot
[2:21:17] the case, we don't have the
[2:21:19] funding lined up for it yet.
[2:21:21] I do think there's still time t
[2:21:24] o
[2:21:24] have additional dialogue, and I
[2:21:26] f
[2:21:26] that's the will of the
[2:21:28] commission, in terms of design
[2:21:29] 
[2:21:30] on any of the segments and the
[2:21:31] 
[2:21:31] options presented today.
[2:21:32] >> I'm glad to hear that.
[2:21:34] I do not believe that staff
[2:21:36] should ever make any
[2:21:37] recommendations that have not
[2:21:39] 
[2:21:39] been fully vetted through a
[2:21:41] process with the community.
[2:21:42] somehow that was circumvented,
[2:21:45] 
[2:21:46] we missed it.
[2:21:47] and we shouldn't be making any
[2:21:49] 
[2:21:50] recommendations today at all.
[2:21:50] I'll conclude for now.
[2:21:51] >> thank you, commissioner
[2:21:56] duncan walker, commissioner
[2:21:57] chestnut?
[2:21:57] >> thank you, I think the
[2:22:01] community is still reeling fro
[2:22:02] m
[2:22:03] the changes that were made on
[2:22:05] 
[2:22:05] northwest eighth avenue from
[2:22:06] main street to sixth street, t
[2:22:08] he
[2:22:08] community has not gotten over
[2:22:10] 
[2:22:10] that, they don't like it, and I
[2:22:11] 
[2:22:12] don't think they want to see
[2:22:17] this extended any further.
[2:22:18] now, how many bike lanes are
[2:22:21] from waldo road to mt. Carmel
[2:22:27] 
[2:22:27] church.
[2:22:27] we have bike lanes on both sid
[2:22:29] es
[2:22:29] now currently?
[2:22:30] >> no, there's just sidewalks.
[2:22:32] 
[2:22:32] >> just two sidewalks.
[2:22:32] all right.
[2:22:36] that's one.
[2:22:37] how many bikers do you have fro
[2:22:41] 
[2:22:41] waldo road to mt. Carmel church
[2:22:45] ?
[2:22:45] what do you --
[2:22:48] >> there was data past a certa
[2:22:51] in
[2:22:51] road point for bike traffic.
[2:22:53] that there's no count.
[2:22:54] I'm not sure what the
[2:22:56] intersection was.
[2:22:56] >> well, I don't think people
[2:23:00] 
[2:23:00] want to see eighth avenue
[2:23:05] enter -- how many?
[2:23:06] >> no data east of waldo, and
[2:23:09] 
[2:23:09] that was a question from many o
[2:23:10] f
[2:23:10] the folks we talked, to they
[2:23:12] weren't sure the bike lanes
[2:23:13] would be utilized.  >>
[2:23:13] >> had now, there are lots of
[2:23:18] 
[2:23:18] churches on that stretch.
[2:23:19] there are lots of -- I guess y
[2:23:22] ou
[2:23:22] would call them curb cuts, but
[2:23:24] 
[2:23:24] there are lots of drive ways
[2:23:26] turning into people's street.
[2:23:27] turning into the streets, which
[2:23:30] 
[2:23:30] this would just really disrupt.
[2:23:36] 
[2:23:36] and just the thought of taking
[2:23:39] 
[2:23:39] out trees, as much as
[2:23:42] gainesville talks about trees,
[2:23:43] 
[2:23:43] you would have to remove trees
[2:23:46] 
[2:23:46] here at some point.
[2:23:46] the raised intersections, are
[2:23:52] 
[2:23:52] you talking about raised
[2:23:54] intersection similar to what y
[2:23:55] ou
[2:23:55] have over on university avenue
[2:23:57] ,
[2:23:58] as you go into target copy?
[2:24:01] what would the raised
[2:24:03] intersection look like?
[2:24:03] >> a couple good use of them,
[2:24:09] 
[2:24:09] there's one on northwest 5th a
[2:24:11] nd
[2:24:11] 22nd.
[2:24:11] >> okay.
[2:24:13] I got it.
[2:24:14] I know.
[2:24:15] >> so it's a --
[2:24:17] >> okay.
[2:24:19] >> so the intersection is
[2:24:21] elevated.
[2:24:21] it's not the increase you get
[2:24:28] 
[2:24:28] with a speed bump, it's the
[2:24:29] whole thing.
[2:24:29] >> I am interested in hearing
[2:24:32] 
[2:24:32] from the community.
[2:24:33] particularly since what we've
[2:24:34] 
[2:24:34] gone through with northwest
[2:24:36] eighth avenue to sixth street,
[2:24:39] 
[2:24:40] the community has not gotten
[2:24:41] over that.
[2:24:41] we did not have any input in
[2:24:45] that.
[2:24:45] and the next thing we knew, our
[2:24:48] 
[2:24:48] street was being torn up, bike
[2:24:50] 
[2:24:51] lanes were being put in, zippe
[2:24:52] rs
[2:24:52] were being put in, we had no
[2:24:54] input.
[2:24:54] now, what we were told is that
[2:24:57] 
[2:24:57] the input was several years ag
[2:24:58] o,
[2:24:58] we did not have input on that.
[2:25:01] 
[2:25:01] just as I think these people a
[2:25:04] re
[2:25:04] here today to tell you they've
[2:25:04] 
[2:25:05] had no input.
[2:25:06] I would not want to see what
[2:25:09] happened to us on northwest
[2:25:13] eighth avenue, when we're told
[2:25:15] 
[2:25:15] that the public engagement was
[2:25:17] 
[2:25:17] held years before, but we did
[2:25:19] 
[2:25:19] not have an opportunity to
[2:25:21] participate there.
[2:25:23] so I have some concerns about
[2:25:25] 
[2:25:25] this.
[2:25:25] concerns of how this would
[2:25:29] disrupt our community.
[2:25:29] I have concerns about putting I
[2:25:31] n
[2:25:31] these bike lanes, and people
[2:25:33] have not requested those.
[2:25:35] and taking out trees.
[2:25:39] so I'll wait to hear what the
[2:25:41] 
[2:25:41] community has to say, thank yo
[2:25:42] u.
[2:25:42] >> thank you, commissioner
[2:25:45] chestnut.
[2:25:45] commissioner eastman.
[2:25:46] >> taking a step back here, what
[2:25:48] 
[2:25:48] we're talking about now is,
[2:25:50] we -- this road is due for
[2:25:52] resurfacing, correct?
[2:25:53] >> what we're talking about
[2:25:55] doing, is taking a road, and
[2:25:57] I'll say, I've tried to ride m
[2:25:59] y
[2:26:00] bike on every street in the cit
[2:26:01] y
[2:26:01] of ga
[2:26:02] this needs help, I will hear
[2:26:07] from the community, but the --
[2:26:09] 
[2:26:09] [ inaudible ]
[2:26:09] this is a road that has cracks
[2:26:11] 
[2:26:11] in it, it is clearly has not
[2:26:14] gotten the love that it
[2:26:16] deserves.
[2:26:16] and that's true with -- just t
[2:26:19] o
[2:26:19] be candid, a lot of east
[2:26:22] gainesville infrastructure, whe
[2:26:23] n
[2:26:23] we're going through that
[2:26:24] process, naturally what happen
[2:26:25] s,
[2:26:25] how should this be designed in
[2:26:27] 
[2:26:27] the future, whether it was has
[2:26:31] ty
[2:26:31] to come out with recommendatio
[2:26:33] ns
[2:26:33] or -- this is the process of h
[2:26:35] ow
[2:26:35] we decide what wire going to d
[2:26:38] o
[2:26:39] when we're making large
[2:26:40] investments, I think it's great
[2:26:41] 
[2:26:42] we're making large investments.
[2:26:43] 
[2:26:43] this road clearly needs it, you
[2:26:45] 
[2:26:45] guys are asking for right now,
[2:26:47] 
[2:26:47] I'm hearing -- I know that roa
[2:26:48] ds
[2:26:48] are the sort of funny thing, y
[2:26:51] ou
[2:26:51] make plans in the beginning, y
[2:26:52] ou
[2:26:52] go to the state for grants and
[2:26:54] 
[2:26:55] you try to get gas tax out of,
[2:26:57] 
[2:26:59] or whatever the pop of funding
[2:27:00] 
[2:27:01] is.
[2:27:01] you mentioned briefly, what are
[2:27:02] 
[2:27:03] you guys looking for?
[2:27:04] you wouldn't be coming and
[2:27:07] asking us if you didn't want
[2:27:08] some sort of direction to move
[2:27:10] 
[2:27:10] forward to this investment.
[2:27:12] what kind of direction are you
[2:27:13] 
[2:27:13] looking for, aside from the --
[2:27:15] 
[2:27:16] just overall design you
[2:27:17] mentioned, can you repeat that
[2:27:18] 
[2:27:18] again?
[2:27:18] >> I think in general, the
[2:27:21] recommendations are to look at
[2:27:23] 
[2:27:24] speed control and do we need t
[2:27:25] o
[2:27:25] have raised intersections.
[2:27:26] I know the graphic proposes
[2:27:29] three.
[2:27:29] it may not be three, we may not
[2:27:33] 
[2:27:34] need three when we start looki
[2:27:35] ng
[2:27:35] at design.
[2:27:35] I don't think anyone had issue
[2:27:38] s
[2:27:38] with the rfp's or pedestrians
[2:27:42] 
[2:27:42] crossings.
[2:27:42] bike lanes are tricky, not
[2:27:45] everyone thinks those will be
[2:27:46] 
[2:27:46] used, do we look at trying to
[2:27:49] 
[2:27:49] offer a wider sidewalk you for
[2:27:50] 
[2:27:51] certain stretches so folks can
[2:27:52] 
[2:27:52] stay on a multiuse trail of som
[2:27:54] e
[2:27:54] sort.
[2:27:54] we do have a multiuse trail fro
[2:27:58] m
[2:27:58] the end, like 25th terrace on,
[2:28:00] 
[2:28:01] there's multiuse trails.
[2:28:02] we're looking for simple
[2:28:04] guidance in terms of --
[2:28:06] obviously, everybody's on board
[2:28:07] 
[2:28:07] with the road paving, what do
[2:28:09] 
[2:28:09] the bike lanes look like, and d
[2:28:12] o
[2:28:12] we offer bike lanes or do we
[2:28:14] more focus on a sidewalk or
[2:28:16] multiuse situation.
[2:28:17] I don't know if we have enough
[2:28:19] 
[2:28:20] right-of-way to do that.
[2:28:23] generally speaking that's what
[2:28:25] 
[2:28:26] we're looking for, comp plan
[2:28:29] indicates we're looking for
[2:28:31] those multimodal opportunities.
[2:28:31] 
[2:28:31] when it comes to trees, it
[2:28:40] depends if it's a healthy tree
[2:28:41] 
[2:28:41] or not.
[2:28:42] some of the oaks may be dying
[2:28:44] 
[2:28:44] inside, and they were dropping
[2:28:45] 
[2:28:45] logs every time it rained.
[2:28:46] that was one of the reasons the
[2:28:48] 
[2:28:48] trees came up.
[2:28:49] we would look at that.
[2:28:52] we want long term safety, the
[2:28:54] 
[2:28:54] trees are providing shade,
[2:28:56] they're dropping limbs, is that
[2:28:58] 
[2:28:58] a problem?
[2:28:58] >> right.
[2:28:59] >> to that point, when we tal
[2:29:03] about tearing down the trees a
[2:29:06] nd
[2:29:06] the bike lanes.
[2:29:06] in most of these, we had bike
[2:29:09] 
[2:29:09] lanes.
[2:29:09] what are you referring to.
[2:29:13] those there, that is a question
[2:29:15] 
[2:29:15] that is there, whether or not w
[2:29:16] e
[2:29:16] want to extend that one side,
[2:29:20] 
[2:29:20] which for folks that walk, wha
[2:29:21] t
[2:29:21] we're talking about is a large
[2:29:23] r
[2:29:23] sidewalk in a lot of ways, of
[2:29:30] 
[2:29:30] course it's nice.
[2:29:31] yeah, I mean, so when you were
[2:29:33] 
[2:29:33] telling us about the time line
[2:29:36] ,
[2:29:36] you said you wanted some kind o
[2:29:38] f
[2:29:38] direction related to -- I mean
[2:29:40] ,
[2:29:41] kind of the broad swaths,
[2:29:43] specifically east of waldo, the
[2:29:45] 
[2:29:45] 9th to waldo, I don't see as
[2:29:47] part of the motion in here.
[2:29:48] >> no, we're specifically
[2:29:51] looking for more east.
[2:29:51] I don't know -- it was a median
[2:29:55] ,
[2:29:55] 10 foot wide on --
[2:29:58] >> it was conceptual
[2:29:59] recommendation for what we wou
[2:30:00] ld
[2:30:00] say, this is what we would
[2:30:02] propose to put out here, if
[2:30:05] we're going to do west waldo.
[2:30:06] that would be resurfacing and
[2:30:08] 
[2:30:08] restriping.
[2:30:08] adding a 10 foot top.
[2:30:11] >> that's not in the
[2:30:13] recommendation I saw in the
[2:30:14] back?
[2:30:14] >> 00, the last part, no.
[2:30:16] >> yeah, for the direction,
[2:30:18] which I think would be nice to
[2:30:19] 
[2:30:20] gear us in on which portion of
[2:30:22] 
[2:30:22] the direction.
[2:30:23] that western portion is my
[2:30:25] district, be and it's also whe
[2:30:28] re
[2:30:28] we're about to build citizens
[2:30:30] 
[2:30:30] field, and there's a lot of
[2:30:31] questions within there.
[2:30:32] yeah, I mean, I do think -- you
[2:30:33] 
[2:30:34] know, you have duvall, which I
[2:30:37] s
[2:30:37] now going to remain open it
[2:30:38] seems, so this is a place where
[2:30:40] 
[2:30:40] kids are riding their bikes fro
[2:30:42] m
[2:30:42] the surroundi ing neighborhoods
[2:30:46] to
[2:30:47] [laughter]
[2:30:47] >> I think there is lot of
[2:30:52] benefit to having these
[2:30:52] discussions about this, figurin
[2:30:53] g
[2:30:53] out what makes sense here and
[2:30:54] where that makes sense, and so
[2:30:55] 
[2:30:55] yeah, I'm interested in seeing
[2:30:57] 
[2:30:57] how we can move forward this.
[2:30:58] all right.
[2:30:58] thank you.
[2:30:59] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:31:00] commissioner eastman.
[2:31:00] commissioner willits.
[2:31:03] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:31:05] so just remind me, so our comp
[2:31:07] 
[2:31:07] plan says when we go to
[2:31:08] resurface, this type of, you
[2:31:11] know, road, we have to
[2:31:13] consider.
[2:31:13] that's why we're here today,
[2:31:14] right?
[2:31:14] because our comp plan says, hey
[2:31:16] ,
[2:31:16] if you're going to spend a but
[2:31:17] ch
[2:31:17] of money on asphalt, is it tim
[2:31:19] e
[2:31:19] for something that we didn't
[2:31:21] envision 30 years ago or 20
[2:31:22] years ago or 15 when we last, s
[2:31:24] o
[2:31:24] this process is not because
[2:31:26] someone on staff said hey this
[2:31:27] 
[2:31:27] is a good idea or anyone on the
[2:31:29] 
[2:31:29] commission.
[2:31:29] it's just is that our process
[2:31:31] from the comp plan which is, y
[2:31:32] ou
[2:31:32] know, like the plan for the cit
[2:31:35] y
[2:31:35] just, it says hey you're about
[2:31:37] 
[2:31:37] to resurface, go look at some
[2:31:39] other options.
[2:31:40] >> yes, our comp plan says tha
[2:31:42] t
[2:31:42] also our edcm, our engineering
[2:31:44] 
[2:31:44] design and construction manual.
[2:31:46] 
[2:31:46] the same as you would also
[2:31:48] provide ada ramps you know, if
[2:31:49] 
[2:31:49] we're doing work like that we
[2:31:51] would also upgrade the ramps
[2:31:53] along the roadway.
[2:31:54] >> right, okay, so I just want
[2:31:55] 
[2:31:55] to make sure I understand
[2:31:57] because it's been asphalt, are
[2:31:58] 
[2:31:58] there safety improvements that
[2:32:00] 
[2:32:00] can be done, safety, ada
[2:32:01] accessibility, issues.
[2:32:03] while we're there.
[2:32:05] while we're laying asphalts.
[2:32:08] while that makes sense to look
[2:32:09] 
[2:32:09] at it.
[2:32:09] questions and part of this is
[2:32:11] because 8th avenue is this
[2:32:13] weer beast because it's got all
[2:32:15] 
[2:32:15] these different sections.
[2:32:16] just what we're talking about I
[2:32:18] s
[2:32:18] three different sections.
[2:32:19] every section is a little bit
[2:32:20] different and it's been cobbled
[2:32:21] 
[2:32:21] together over decades, some of
[2:32:23] 
[2:32:23] it's disjointed about biking
[2:32:25] 
[2:32:25] biking and walking and where
[2:32:26] it's easy for buses and where
[2:32:28] it's easy for cars and we're
[2:32:29] going to continue to struggle
[2:32:30] with this because city road and
[2:32:34] 
[2:32:34] state road in some sections,
[2:32:36] unfortunately.
[2:32:36] the thing that stuck out to me
[2:32:41] 
[2:32:41] was the traffic data on the
[2:32:42] speed.
[2:32:42] northeast 9th to waldo so the
[2:32:45] western portion, posted at
[2:32:48] 35 miles an hour, and 8th
[2:32:50] percentile is less than that.
[2:32:55] yet from waldo to 22nd, posted
[2:32:57] 
[2:32:57] 35 miles per hour, 38.3 miles
[2:32:59] per hour.
[2:33:00] that tells me the story of
[2:33:01] engineering absolutely matters
[2:33:03] 
[2:33:03] because there is -- little
[2:33:05] fundamental difference between
[2:33:06] 
[2:33:06] the people who are driving eas
[2:33:07] t
[2:33:07] and west to waldo.
[2:33:09] they're people, they're
[2:33:11] neighbors.
[2:33:11] some of them are going the who
[2:33:13] le
[2:33:13] route, some of them are turning
[2:33:15] 
[2:33:15] at some point.
[2:33:15] that tells me the engineering,
[2:33:17] 
[2:33:17] and why the people on the the
[2:33:20] west side get the benefit of a
[2:33:21] 
[2:33:21] slower road.
[2:33:22] you can say it's only 6 miles
[2:33:23] per hour.
[2:33:24] averaged out, that 85th
[2:33:25] percentile, there are plenty o
[2:33:28] f
[2:33:28] people flying down the road,
[2:33:29] particularly the section, you
[2:33:31] know, between wawltdo and -- so
[2:33:33] 
[2:33:33] I think there is some sort of
[2:33:35] infrastructure that needs to
[2:33:35] happen that slows that down and
[2:33:37] 
[2:33:37] makes it safer.
[2:33:37] what exactly?
[2:33:38] we're going to have lot -- lots
[2:33:39] 
[2:33:39] of opinion in the community is
[2:33:40] 
[2:33:40] going to give us some.
[2:33:42] but it's, you see 34 feet wide?
[2:33:45] 
[2:33:45] between wawltdo and 22nd?
[2:33:47] waldo and 22nd?
[2:33:49] like basically 17-foot travel
[2:33:50] lanes.
[2:33:50] >> there are segments where it'
[2:33:52] s
[2:33:52] 35 even wider.
[2:33:53] >> what did we just agree to
[2:33:55] northeast 9th and mr.--
[2:33:59] northeast, is it 9th where we
[2:34:02] had, we're doing work on that,
[2:34:03] 
[2:34:03] 9th street, and there was an
[2:34:05] argument whether it was 11 1/2
[2:34:07] 
[2:34:07] foot lanes versus, do we end u
[2:34:09] p
[2:34:09] on 11 1/2?
[2:34:10] >> 10 1/2 foot lanes.
[2:34:13] >> did we end up on 10   10 1/
[2:34:15] 2?
[2:34:15] I thought we ended up on
[2:34:17] 11 1/2.
[2:34:17] so just for some example like I
[2:34:21] 
[2:34:21] think those lanes need to be
[2:34:23] narrowed some way.
[2:34:24] the quick    quick easy is you
[2:34:27] put
[2:34:29] a lane of parking in on the
[2:34:30] south side so it's still
[2:34:32] available for parking, church,
[2:34:33] 
[2:34:33] you know, events, something
[2:34:36] needs to happen on that
[2:34:37] section.
[2:34:37] and and the crash data seem to
[2:34:40] 
[2:34:40] suggest that.
[2:34:41] what exactly, the idea of a
[2:34:43] 10-foot path from 22nd and
[2:34:46] that street not terrace, right
[2:34:48] ?
[2:34:48] northwest 22nd street.
[2:34:50] >> yes.
[2:34:51] >> 26th street, yes.
[2:34:53] >> there are two houses on that
[2:34:53] 
[2:34:53] corner right there on the corne
[2:34:54] r
[2:34:54] that are, that abut the
[2:34:56] sidewalk.
[2:34:56] I mean, I don't know, their
[2:34:59] stoop is two feet from the
[2:35:01] sidewalk, and then there's you
[2:35:02] 
[2:35:02] know there's a grass strip
[2:35:05] between the sidewalk and the
[2:35:05] street but a 10-foot path there
[2:35:07] 
[2:35:07] eats up from their front door
[2:35:10] it's nothing but sidewalk.
[2:35:11] plus 34th feet of or however
[2:35:14] many feet of section of asphalt
[2:35:18] 
[2:35:18] on the other side so that
[2:35:18] doesn't sound pleasant.
[2:35:19] so, and what -- so there's no
[2:35:24] discussion of maybe we just,
[2:35:27] what if you had a two-way cycle
[2:35:31] 
[2:35:31] lane on the north side of the
[2:35:32] road where you took out the
[2:35:33] medians from northeast 9th to
[2:35:35] waldo, so that you don't have t
[2:35:37] o
[2:35:37] create a 10-foot path on the
[2:35:38] north side.
[2:35:39] I'm trying to think of lots of
[2:35:40] 
[2:35:40] different ways, things that we
[2:35:42] 
[2:35:42] find in the nack    nacto
[2:35:49] standards.
[2:35:49] that's not a question.
[2:35:50] I'm going to keep on moving on
[2:35:51] 
[2:35:51] with maybe some more comments
[2:35:52] about is there any way that we
[2:35:55] 
[2:35:55] could do more envisioning where
[2:35:58] 
[2:35:58] we you know go out and put the
[2:36:00] 
[2:36:00] cones and show what it would
[2:36:02] look like, particularly in wal
[2:36:03] do
[2:36:03] to 22nd, so what a potential
[2:36:06] could look at.
[2:36:07] you put out the cones and you
[2:36:08] tell the neighborhood, hey, we
[2:36:10] 
[2:36:10] just seeing what it would look
[2:36:11] 
[2:36:11] like and then people go, oh, I
[2:36:12] 
[2:36:12] would like the lane to be
[2:36:14] narrower or whatever.
[2:36:18] so it's just a thought.
[2:36:19] I know this is early in the
[2:36:21] process.
[2:36:21] when I saw the work of the, the
[2:36:25] 
[2:36:25] outreach, I even thought this I
[2:36:27] s
[2:36:27] rushed.
[2:36:27] normally we get outreach and
[2:36:29] couple months later, you know,
[2:36:31] 
[2:36:31] things have trickled up to us
[2:36:34] and we hear some and we go oh
[2:36:37] yeah, we're going to drive and
[2:36:39] 
[2:36:39] see what people were talking
[2:36:41] about.
[2:36:41] this feels a little fast.
[2:36:43] I don't understand why it's so
[2:36:44] 
[2:36:44] compressed getting back to us
[2:36:45] after that amount of feedback.
[2:36:47] 
[2:36:47] let me see if there is anything
[2:36:48] 
[2:36:48] else like a specific.
[2:36:51] where they said, you said there
[2:36:52] 
[2:36:52] was a lot of trees on one of th
[2:36:53] e
[2:36:53] sides.
[2:36:53] I think they said north side
[2:36:55] with the 10-foot path is that
[2:36:56] the eastern portion or the
[2:36:57] western portion?
[2:36:58] >> eastern portion.
[2:37:00] >> eastern, oi got that
[2:37:03] confused.
[2:37:03] thanks for -- and --
[2:37:05] >> [off mic]
[2:37:07] bullet we would go out there
[2:37:08] with an arborist to make sure
[2:37:09] they're healthy and not --
[2:37:11] >> thank you and the concern
[2:37:11] over median opens, again, was
[2:37:13] that the section west of waldo
[2:37:16] ?
[2:37:16] so potential median.
[2:37:19] okay it was concerns.
[2:37:20] it wasn't over existing --
[2:37:24] sorry, we are talking about lot
[2:37:26] s
[2:37:26] of different sections.
[2:37:27] >> mm-hmm.
[2:37:27] it's a lot.
[2:37:28] so each of those little diamond
[2:37:32] 
[2:37:32] stick points, that's a driveway
[2:37:33] 
[2:37:33] access.
[2:37:33] >> right.
[2:37:36] >> so nose are all the
[2:37:37] openings -- those are all the
[2:37:38] openings.
[2:37:38] so the medians, those would be
[2:37:40] 
[2:37:40] the two options.
[2:37:41] in terms of the concerns with
[2:37:44] median openings, is that what
[2:37:46] you're asking?
[2:37:46] >> yeah, I thought -- I that
[2:37:47] thought was coming from I think
[2:37:49] 
[2:37:49] the neighbors.
[2:37:50] >> west waldo.
[2:37:50] I'm sorry.
[2:37:51] I misunderstood.
[2:37:51] >> yeah, so that was the west o
[2:37:52] f
[2:37:52] waldo section.
[2:37:53] is that there weren't enough?
[2:37:54] or there -- too many -- I don't
[2:37:57] ,
[2:37:57] what was the concern.
[2:37:57] >> some of the median, like the
[2:37:59] 
[2:37:59] actual turn lane lengths they
[2:38:00] felt were short.
[2:38:01] when we did look at the crash
[2:38:03] data nothing stuck out to
[2:38:05] indicate that they were a
[2:38:06] problem.
[2:38:06] but I guess as, when I was
[2:38:10] driving through there doing sit
[2:38:11] e
[2:38:11] visits taking pictures, things
[2:38:13] 
[2:38:13] like that even just driving
[2:38:14] along I could see where someone
[2:38:15] 
[2:38:15] would be up comfortable with the
[2:38:16] 
[2:38:16] rush to get into a shorter tur
[2:38:19] n
[2:38:19] lane.
[2:38:19] >> well if they were going 38
[2:38:20] instead of 32 I can imagine it
[2:38:22] 
[2:38:22] felt --
[2:38:22] [laughter]
[2:38:22] >> so.
[2:38:24] >> okay, that helps me
[2:38:25] understand a little bit about
[2:38:26] that concern because just the
[2:38:28] fact that it's so much slower,
[2:38:29] 
[2:38:29] six miles an hour on average
[2:38:31] slower, on a street that is
[2:38:34] signaled higher you know or yit
[2:38:36] tells me we did maybe
[2:38:39] some -- on that section -- the
[2:38:41] 
[2:38:41] other section needs something.
[2:38:45] 
[2:38:45] I think that's, I think that's
[2:38:46] 
[2:38:46] all I got for -- oh, and just,
[2:38:48] 
[2:38:48] oh, just the idea is also like,
[2:38:50] 
[2:38:50] is there any opportunity for
[2:38:51] quick build things where we,
[2:38:52] where we don't spend 3 or
[2:38:55] $5 million where we do put in
[2:38:56] things that are much more quick
[2:38:59] ,
[2:38:59] temporary, try for six months,
[2:39:02] I
[2:39:03] just had that, and then, sorry
[2:39:05] ,
[2:39:05] that's -- maybe this is just
[2:39:07] conversation for my colleagues
[2:39:08] 
[2:39:08] to hear.
[2:39:09] and then can you, this is one
[2:39:12] you may be able to answer.
[2:39:13] why is there hashing on the
[2:39:15] eastern portion in front of the
[2:39:17] 
[2:39:17] slab basically at 17th.
[2:39:19] there is some hashing s. That t
[2:39:20] o
[2:39:20] keep people from parking there
[2:39:21] 
[2:39:21] on the north side?
[2:39:23] it's kind of marked off.
[2:39:24] it's not parking, but it -- lik
[2:39:25] e
[2:39:25] I said it's got a hash mark.
[2:39:26] is that to keep people from
[2:39:28] parking there.
[2:39:29] >> because the lane is 17-foot
[2:39:30] 
[2:39:30] wide?
[2:39:30] >> it's right there by steven
[2:39:34] kelly.
[2:39:34] >> that was part of an
[2:39:35] initiative a few years back to
[2:39:36] 
[2:39:36] prevent people from parking
[2:39:38] there.
[2:39:38] there are no parking signs and
[2:39:39] 
[2:39:39] the hatching is just to enforce
[2:39:43] 
[2:39:43] that.
[2:39:43] >> I think that's my example o
[2:39:44] f
[2:39:44] that kind of quick build to see
[2:39:45] 
[2:39:45] how it goes, does it help, not
[2:39:47] 
[2:39:47] the millions of dollars where -
[2:39:49] -
[2:39:49] where there is -- because that
[2:39:51] 
[2:39:51] came I believe from community
[2:39:52] feedback originally, right?
[2:39:53] >> it came from the community
[2:39:54] and gpd it was a request that
[2:39:56] was facilitated from them to
[2:39:58] public works to facilitate.
[2:39:59] >> okay.
[2:40:00] I just, I bring that out as an
[2:40:02] 
[2:40:02] example where we did a small
[2:40:04] intervention to see if it
[2:40:05] helped, and I don't know about
[2:40:07] 
[2:40:07] the feedback since then, but
[2:40:10] because it's 17-foot wide lane
[2:40:12] 
[2:40:12] you could do that.
[2:40:13] those lanes are way too wide.
[2:40:14] one-way or another they need to
[2:40:19] 
[2:40:19] be narrowed pee people street I
[2:40:20] t
[2:40:20] like the -- so that people
[2:40:22] street it   treat it like the
[2:40:25] neighborhood street it is.
[2:40:26] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:40:27] >> mayor: I would encourage
[2:40:28] everybody let's not try to
[2:40:29] design the road today because
[2:40:30] that's not where we are in the
[2:40:31] 
[2:40:31] process at all.
[2:40:33] there is.
[2:40:42] we have three lights and we ar
[2:40:43] e
[2:40:43] trying to hear from the public,
[2:40:45] 
[2:40:45] but we are not in that phase.
[2:40:46] >> yes, mayor, I'm not in the
[2:40:48] design phase, either, so thank
[2:40:49] 
[2:40:49] you to staff and thank you to
[2:40:50] nv5 for providing some
[2:40:52] conceptual plans and ideas.
[2:40:56] it's a great start.
[2:40:57] commissioner dunker walker sai
[2:40:59] d
[2:40:59] that -- duncan-walker.
[2:41:03] 2700 block of northeast 8th
[2:41:05] avenue wants to do all the way
[2:41:07] 
[2:41:07] to 9th street, the 900 block,
[2:41:09] and so the designs are great.
[2:41:12] but there is a number of
[2:41:14] faith-based and community and
[2:41:15] resident leaders here, and, and
[2:41:18] 
[2:41:18] they'll be great opportunity t
[2:41:20] o
[2:41:20] reach out through those
[2:41:21] networks, especially the
[2:41:22] churches because there's five
[2:41:23] churches right there on the
[2:41:25] northeast 8th avenue --
[2:41:26] >> northeast 8th avenue.
[2:41:31] >> 808.
[2:41:32] >> what she said.
[2:41:33] 8.
[2:41:33] so, I was thinking from
[2:41:36] northeast from 15th street to
[2:41:38] 25th street there were five
[2:41:39] right there.
[2:41:40] did I miss -- there are three
[2:41:41] more?
[2:41:41] okay.
[2:41:41] so to those other three churche
[2:41:44] s
[2:41:44] sorry because I know there are
[2:41:48] 
[2:41:48] five at least.
[2:41:48] at least that many.
[2:41:48] but -- to get information so I'm
[2:41:51] 
[2:41:51] very interested in hearing wha
[2:41:53] t
[2:41:53] the people who are here have t
[2:41:54] o
[2:41:54] say about the designs, what the
[2:41:57] y
[2:41:57] may be interested in and the
[2:41:58] mechanisms that we're going to
[2:41:59] 
[2:41:59] do to find out more.
[2:42:00] at one question for you,
[2:42:01] mr. Manager, before we hear fro
[2:42:03] m
[2:42:03] I hope we go right to public.
[2:42:05] they've been waiting for a lon
[2:42:07] g
[2:42:07] time.
[2:42:07] is if all we did today, I felt
[2:42:10] 
[2:42:10] no pressure to make a decision
[2:42:11] 
[2:42:11] today, none at all, especially
[2:42:13] 
[2:42:13] the folks showing up,
[2:42:15] if all w did was say okay,
[2:42:16] let's get some more robust
[2:42:19] information, that would not
[2:42:20] require a motion because that'
[2:42:21] s
[2:42:21] something you would do on in th
[2:42:23] e
[2:42:23] diseme of things or would you b
[2:42:24] e
[2:42:24] looking for something from
[2:42:25] someone on the dais?
[2:42:27] >> I think a motion would be
[2:42:28] appropriate.
[2:42:28] >> okay.
[2:42:30] all right.
[2:42:30] well that's something to
[2:42:31] consider.
[2:42:31] I'd love to hear from all the
[2:42:34] people who've probably been
[2:42:36] waiting for a while, mr. Mayor.
[2:42:37] 
[2:42:37] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:42:38] commissioner book.
[2:42:38] commissioner ingle.
[2:42:41] >> just kind of short and sweet
[2:42:42] 
[2:42:42] on this.
[2:42:42] it certainly sounds like the
[2:42:44] community doesn't feel like it'
[2:42:45] s
[2:42:45] been heard.
[2:42:47] look forward to hearing public
[2:42:48] 
[2:42:48] comment on this, but in general
[2:42:50] 
[2:42:50] my first kind of reaction is
[2:42:53] just the inclination to table
[2:42:54] this until we've got some bette
[2:42:56] r
[2:42:56] community feedback.
[2:42:58] we don't have construction fun
[2:42:59] ds
[2:42:59] for it.
[2:43:00] there is nothing pressing.
[2:43:01] there is no thing going on so
[2:43:03] as
[2:43:03] far as I can see there is no
[2:43:04] downside to tabling this and
[2:43:08] getting some better community
[2:43:09] feedback on that.
[2:43:11] that being said, I'm sure there
[2:43:13] 
[2:43:13] are a lot of people here to tal
[2:43:13] k
[2:43:13] so I will be happy to hear fro
[2:43:17] m
[2:43:17] them now.
[2:43:18] >> mayor: commissioner duncan
[2:43:18] and then I've gut a brief
[2:43:20] comment and then we will go to
[2:43:21] 
[2:43:21] the public.
[2:43:21] >> thank you, mr. Mayor, and I
[2:43:22] 
[2:43:22] know I said y wasn't going to
[2:43:23] say anything until after the
[2:43:25] public.
[2:43:25] I lied.
[2:43:27] but only to say this.
[2:43:29] it is important to consider the
[2:43:30] 
[2:43:30] functionality of this street.
[2:43:33] not just the street where peopl
[2:43:35] e
[2:43:35] just drive past.
[2:43:36] there are a number of activitie
[2:43:38] s
[2:43:38] that take place on this street,
[2:43:39] 
[2:43:39] and what I would've been
[2:43:40] interested in hearing in today
[2:43:43] 's
[2:43:43] conversation since your
[2:43:44] recommendation is to get us to
[2:43:46] 
[2:43:46] do something today that I'm not
[2:43:49] 
[2:43:49] interested in doing, I would'v
[2:43:50] e
[2:43:50] been interested in you telling
[2:43:52] 
[2:43:52] us how much on-street parking
[2:43:53] there currently is.
[2:43:55] because many of the eight
[2:43:56] churches that I just told you
[2:43:58] there were on northeast 8th
[2:44:00] avenue take advantage of that
[2:44:01] onstreit parking.
[2:44:02] not just for sunday services o
[2:44:04] r
[2:44:04] saturday services at the 7th
[2:44:05] day adventant church but for t
[2:44:07] he
[2:44:07] mere yatd of services that --
[2:44:09] myriad of services they
[2:44:10] provide.
[2:44:10] many of the residents in that
[2:44:11] community utilize thrking -- p
[2:44:18] ark
[2:44:18] there -- there was a slide in
[2:44:25] the public works presentation a
[2:44:26] 
[2:44:26] little bit earlier today, and I
[2:44:28] 
[2:44:28] don't -- you don't have to pul
[2:44:29] l
[2:44:29] it up right now, but it was on
[2:44:31] 
[2:44:31] page 53.
[2:44:32] I wrote it down during your
[2:44:33] presentation bots because I
[2:44:36] thought about asking the
[2:44:37] question then, but I said no
[2:44:38] we're going to have this
[2:44:39] conversation a little bit later
[2:44:39] 
[2:44:39] on today and perhaps I'll be
[2:44:41] able to get that information
[2:44:43] then.
[2:44:43] don't find it now but just kno
[2:44:45] w
[2:44:45] on page 53 of the previous
[2:44:47] public works conversation you
[2:44:49] told us about the northwest
[2:44:51] 1st avenue resurfacing, and
[2:44:55] I'm very curious to know how y
[2:44:56] ou
[2:44:56] incorporated or how you're
[2:44:58] looking at a completed so how
[2:45:00] did you incorporate multimodal
[2:45:02] 
[2:45:02] there.
[2:45:02] because don't tell me right
[2:45:04] now.
[2:45:04] don't tell me right now.
[2:45:07] but I want you to show me.
[2:45:09] don't tell me.
[2:45:10] show me.
[2:45:13] northwest 1st avenue is a
[2:45:14] tiny street.
[2:45:16] northeast 8th avenue east of
[2:45:19] waldo road is strange.
[2:45:22] and the reason that it expands
[2:45:24] 
[2:45:24] is to accommodate traffic -- I
[2:45:25] 
[2:45:25] think the engineering there
[2:45:27] waserary wise, and I think it
[2:45:28] should remain exactly how it is
[2:45:29] 
[2:45:29] right now.
[2:45:30] because it helps to facilitate
[2:45:34] 
[2:45:34] everything that goes on in tha
[2:45:35] t
[2:45:35] community.
[2:45:35] where there is church activity,
[2:45:37] 
[2:45:37] the road expands, and where
[2:45:39] there are buses, the road
[2:45:40] expands to allow for on-street
[2:45:41] 
[2:45:41] parking.
[2:45:41] and the traffic can continue t
[2:45:44] o
[2:45:44] move through without
[2:45:45] congestion.
[2:45:45] and without problems.
[2:45:48] keeping safety in mind.
[2:45:49] it then narrows again after
[2:45:51] duval and I'm glad that it was
[2:45:53] 
[2:45:53] noted that yes, duval is still
[2:45:55] 
[2:45:55] in play.
[2:45:56] it is not closing.
[2:45:58] and I don't believe a
[2:45:59] conversation with the school
[2:46:00] board has been had to learn wha
[2:46:02] t
[2:46:02] their plans are.
[2:46:04] and how we need to incorporate
[2:46:05] 
[2:46:05] what those plans are in our
[2:46:07] transportation plans for the
[2:46:09] street.
[2:46:09] I'm going to close my mouth
[2:46:11] now.
[2:46:11] I have a lot mthat I could
[2:46:13] say, but I felt the need to
[2:46:15] bring those things before my
[2:46:17] constituents had the opportuni
[2:46:18] ty
[2:46:18] to speak and anybody else who
[2:46:18] wants to speak on this because
[2:46:23] 
[2:46:23] this is a major issue.
[2:46:28] nobody needs to talk about 8th
[2:46:30] 
[2:46:30] avenue needing to be
[2:46:31] resurfaced.
[2:46:31] I think I asked you in our
[2:46:33] meeting the other day how long
[2:46:35] 
[2:46:35] it's been.
[2:46:37] 20 years?
[2:46:39] it's been a very, very long tim
[2:46:41] e
[2:46:41] since that road has been
[2:46:41] addressed.
[2:46:41] if I had a dime for every time
[2:46:46] 
[2:46:46] am faal    family asked me abo
[2:46:50] ut
[2:46:50] when that road was going to be
[2:46:51] 
[2:46:51] resurfaced, I would be rich.
[2:46:55] I'm glad we're going to do
[2:46:56] that.
[2:46:56] I think that's a given.
[2:46:59] that's the no-brainer part.
[2:47:00] it's everything else that
[2:47:02] everyone else has questions
[2:47:03] about.
[2:47:03] everyone else even has
[2:47:05] questions -- there are a numbe
[2:47:06] r
[2:47:06] of people who don't want to se
[2:47:07] e
[2:47:07] the street narrowed.
[2:47:08] and we need to hear that.
[2:47:11] I understand that there is a
[2:47:12] belief that narrowing a road
[2:47:14] would control speed.
[2:47:15] maybe, maybe not.
[2:47:17] but those are the conversations
[2:47:18] 
[2:47:18] that you need to have the
[2:47:20] opportunity to have with the
[2:47:21] people.
[2:47:21] I'll conclude for now and then
[2:47:23] 
[2:47:23] I'll come back afterwards.
[2:47:25] thank you, commissioner
[2:47:25] duncan-walker.
[2:47:25] so I just have a couple of
[2:47:27] comments and then we'll hear
[2:47:28] from you all.
[2:47:34] so the two things that are dea
[2:47:35] l
[2:47:35] breakers for me when we finally
[2:47:36] 
[2:47:36] get around to voting on
[2:47:38] something about actual design,
[2:47:40] 
[2:47:40] which is not today, it's a goo
[2:47:41] d
[2:47:41] way ways off, the two things
[2:47:44] that are deal breakers for me
[2:47:45] are number one, safety, it has
[2:47:48] 
[2:47:48] to be a safer street.
[2:47:49] fewer people have to git
[2:47:50] has to be the sort of thing th
[2:47:53] at
[2:47:53] people are less likely to get
[2:47:54] hurt on.
[2:47:55] I don't have data to corroborate
[2:47:59] 
[2:47:59] this but I would bet 41 injurie
[2:48:01] s
[2:48:01] is more than we would normally
[2:48:02] 
[2:48:02] expect on a two-lane street.
[2:48:04] over a five-year period.
[2:48:06] I want a safer street.
[2:48:11] safe dozen always feel like
[2:48:12] what -- safe doesn't always fee
[2:48:15] l
[2:48:15] like what the data tell us, tha
[2:48:16] t
[2:48:16] safe doesn't always feel like
[2:48:18] what we want it to feel like.
[2:48:19] slower is safer.
[2:48:20] there's no way to argue with th
[2:48:22] e
[2:48:22] physics of that.
[2:48:23] slower is safer.
[2:48:25] and talking about a relatively
[2:48:27] 
[2:48:27] short road, if it's, if it tak
[2:48:30] es
[2:48:30] you, takes anybody a shorter a
[2:48:33] 
[2:48:33] little bit longer to get where
[2:48:34] 
[2:48:34] we're going, a minute or so
[2:48:35] longer to get where we're going
[2:48:36] ,
[2:48:36] and people don't die as a
[2:48:38] result, twel that's a good
[2:48:39] thing.
[2:48:39] safer is the number one thing.
[2:48:43] 
[2:48:43] I also want to make sure that
[2:48:45] whatever gets done adds to the
[2:48:48] 
[2:48:48] value of the neighborhoods.
[2:48:50] that it does not detract from
[2:48:52] the value of the neighborhoods
[2:48:53] .
[2:48:53] that means we need to save as
[2:48:54] many trees as possible because
[2:48:57] I
[2:48:57] know we have a few realtors in
[2:48:59] 
[2:48:59] the room, there is no realtor
[2:49:01] that will tell you fewer trees
[2:49:03] 
[2:49:03] makes property more valuable.
[2:49:05] mature trees add to the value o
[2:49:08] f
[2:49:08] property so we don't want to
[2:49:09] reduce the value of anybody's
[2:49:11] property.
[2:49:11] we want to increase it, but
[2:49:13] mostly we want to be sure that
[2:49:16] 
[2:49:16] people don't get hurt on the
[2:49:18] road if we can possibly avoid
[2:49:19] it.
[2:49:19] those are the two deal breaker
[2:49:22] s
[2:49:22] for me when we finally get
[2:49:23] around to voting for something.
[2:49:27] 
[2:49:27] that's a long way off.
[2:49:28] we need to hear from the
[2:49:32] public.
[2:49:32] we do have years of data and o
[2:49:38] f,
[2:49:38] you know, ability to check wit
[2:49:40] h
[2:49:40] other cities because we're not
[2:49:43] 
[2:49:43] all that special.
[2:49:44] there are other cities just lik
[2:49:45] e
[2:49:45] us.
[2:49:45] and we can tell what works in
[2:49:47] other cities to make them safe.
[2:49:49] 
[2:49:49] and what keeps people alive,
[2:49:51] what keeps people not hurt on
[2:49:53] our streets.
[2:49:54] we have plenty of time for all
[2:49:55] 
[2:49:55] of that, and I want to make sure
[2:49:59] 
[2:49:59] that we include all of that wit
[2:50:01] h
[2:50:01] also the idea that the longer w
[2:50:04] e
[2:50:04] take to make it a safer street
[2:50:06] 
[2:50:06] the more people get hurt on tha
[2:50:08] t
[2:50:08] street.
[2:50:08] and is it is a street that has
[2:50:11] 
[2:50:11] lots of kids on it.
[2:50:14] I mean there are just lots of
[2:50:18] kids.
[2:50:18] we want lots of kids on the
[2:50:19] street.
[2:50:19] I'm very familiar with 8th
[2:50:21] avenue.
[2:50:21] and no, they're not all riding
[2:50:24] 
[2:50:24] their bike to duval.
[2:50:25] we all understand that.
[2:50:26] but there are a lot of kids in
[2:50:29] 
[2:50:29] the neighborhood, a lot of kid
[2:50:29] s
[2:50:29] on the street, and we want the
[2:50:32] m
[2:50:32] to grow up to be adults who can
[2:50:33] 
[2:50:33] come to a city commission
[2:50:34] meeting.
[2:50:34] so those are the things that a
[2:50:38] re
[2:50:38] foremost in my mind as we move
[2:50:40] 
[2:50:40] forward.
[2:50:40] so I'm asking you all to step
[2:50:43] out of the way and let's hear
[2:50:44] from the public.
[2:50:44] >> yes, mr. Mayor, and y us
[2:50:47] I
[2:50:47] just wanted to let every bn
[2:50:49] 
[2:50:49] everyone know that everyone who
[2:50:50] 
[2:50:50] was down in room 16 has been
[2:50:52] able to come up and find seats.
[2:50:54] 
[2:50:54] room 16 is empty.
[2:50:59] I'm going to say a few names -
[2:51:00] -
[2:51:00] people who signed up on deck t
[2:51:00] o
[2:51:00] come up to the podium.
[2:51:02] pamela anderson followed by
[2:51:04] carolyn eason and then juanita
[2:51:11] 
[2:51:11] miles hamilton.
[2:51:13] is pamela here?
[2:51:19] >> mayor: welcome.
[2:51:22] >> afternoon, commissioners.
[2:51:24] my respect to all of you.
[2:51:27] whether    when I first heard a
[2:51:30] bout
[2:51:30] the plan for the improvements o
[2:51:32] f
[2:51:32] 8th avenue, I just happened to
[2:51:34] 
[2:51:34] be there at the time that they
[2:51:37] 
[2:51:37] were at the, when the city com
[2:51:39] es
[2:51:39] out on the second monday at the
[2:51:41] 
[2:51:41] clarence kelly center.
[2:51:43] I said well, why don't you com
[2:51:44] e
[2:51:44] to the seniors on the move at
[2:51:46] clarence kelly center and
[2:51:48] present that to them because
[2:51:50] there are so many people that
[2:51:51] don't know about this.
[2:51:53] so from there we had those two
[2:51:55] 
[2:51:55] meetings, and with them, and I
[2:51:57] 
[2:51:57] saw some improvements over wha
[2:52:00] t
[2:52:00] was presented back then as
[2:52:03] well.
[2:52:03] I was against it, and still am
[2:52:05] 
[2:52:05] against the zippers, and the
[2:52:10] bike lanes on this eastern
[2:52:14] portion of 8th avenue because
[2:52:16] seeing it every day and
[2:52:19] traveling that corridor and
[2:52:21] seeing how it was done over by
[2:52:26] 
[2:52:26] chestnut as far as the zippers
[2:52:28] 
[2:52:28] and the turn lane, the bike
[2:52:30] lanes rather, and I'm going to
[2:52:33] c
[2:52:33] church twice a week over there
[2:52:33] 
[2:52:33] and seeing how dangerous this I
[2:52:35] s
[2:52:35] so I thought, we can't just --
[2:52:37] 
[2:52:37] we got to find out what's going
[2:52:38] 
[2:52:38] on and why and we just wile
[2:52:41] we're just hearing about this
[2:52:42] plan.
[2:52:42] I understand safety and the
[2:52:49] children, I'm all for children
[2:52:50] 
[2:52:50] and everybody being safe
[2:52:51] certainly, but I don't think
[2:52:53] that when it comes down to thi
[2:52:55] s
[2:52:55] portion of 8th avenue, I have
[2:52:59] my sayings about the other
[2:53:01] portion as well that I wouldn'
[2:53:03] t
[2:53:03] care to be talking about right
[2:53:05] 
[2:53:05] now but going threw thet
[2:53:06] roundabout at -- through that
[2:53:08] roundabout at night, but I'm
[2:53:10] just saying as far as the east
[2:53:12] 
[2:53:12] 8th avenue corridor, and it is
[2:53:14] 
[2:53:14] special and yes, there are a l
[2:53:16] ot
[2:53:16] of things that happen down the
[2:53:18] re
[2:53:18] on that street that people
[2:53:20] didn't take into consideration
[2:53:21] 
[2:53:21] and maybe they've looked into I
[2:53:23] t
[2:53:23] now.
[2:53:23] I didn't see that data before
[2:53:25] about the accidents and not tha
[2:53:27] t
[2:53:27] I've heard about that many
[2:53:30] accidents on that part of 8th
[2:53:31] avenue.
[2:53:31] safety is a goal, and it's my
[2:53:34] goal.
[2:53:34] and there'll be other comments.
[2:53:36] 
[2:53:36] I don't want to be redundant b
[2:53:38] ut
[2:53:38] I was opposed to the bike lanes
[2:53:43] , .
[2:53:45] the traffic calming what they
[2:53:46] talked about, those tables,
[2:53:48] first when I saw the first pla
[2:53:49] n
[2:53:49] it was three of them.
[2:53:50] I see it's been cut down to two
[2:53:53] 
[2:53:53] proposed median locations.
[2:53:55] I am for the flashing lights.
[2:53:56] the beacons for crossing the
[2:53:59] roadway, put as many as you can
[2:54:02] 
[2:54:02] down there.
[2:54:02] I am all for that.
[2:54:04] but there's those few other
[2:54:06] things that pertains to as far
[2:54:09] 
[2:54:09] as the traffic flow, that's a
[2:54:12] different thing.
[2:54:13] as far as those are my, what I
[2:54:16] 
[2:54:16] see after 50 years of living
[2:54:18] down there in cedar grove, whi
[2:54:20] ch
[2:54:20] they say duval, my neighborhood
[2:54:23] 
[2:54:23] is cedar grove part 1, but wha
[2:54:26] t
[2:54:26] I see for 50 years of going bac
[2:54:29] k
[2:54:29] and forth, I've not heard of
[2:54:31] that many people getting reall
[2:54:32] y
[2:54:32] hurt.
[2:54:32] that, on that portion of 8th
[2:54:36] avenue.
[2:54:36] thank you.
[2:54:37] >> mayor: thank you.
[2:54:39] >> carolyn eason followed by
[2:54:43] juanita miles -- I apologize.
[2:54:47] juanita miles hamilton.
[2:54:49] thank you for the correction.
[2:54:50] >> mayor: welcome.
[2:54:51] >> and kali blount.
[2:54:53] >> thank you, juanita miles
[2:54:54] hamilton.
[2:54:54] and I'm standing today in
[2:55:01] support, I hope it was a motio
[2:55:04] n,
[2:55:04] that there was not proper
[2:55:06] community input from the staff
[2:55:08] 
[2:55:08] regarding this issue.
[2:55:12] transparency, accountability,
[2:55:14] and public involvement are
[2:55:16] critical in decision making
[2:55:19] processes.
[2:55:19] gentrification at best, at
[2:55:25] best.
[2:55:25] I'm standing because of the fac
[2:55:30] t
[2:55:30] that the northwest 8th avenue
[2:55:33] just yesterday I was traveling
[2:55:35] a
[2:55:35] sloppy.
[2:55:35] and it creates a problem I've
[2:55:41] sat and monitored the traffic
[2:55:42] for several hours several times
[2:55:45] 
[2:55:45] a day different times of day
[2:55:47] morning, noon, and evening and
[2:55:50] 
[2:55:50] pretty much I have yet to see a
[2:55:52] 
[2:55:52] bicycle on the bike lane.
[2:55:57] and but yet it imposes a
[2:55:59] problem.
[2:55:59] just yesterday I was coming fro
[2:56:02] m
[2:56:02] therapy, and the traffic was
[2:56:06] flowing good.
[2:56:06] it was right at 5:00.
[2:56:08] a lot of traffic.
[2:56:09] and I was stuck headeeast on
[2:56:14] 8th avenue at northwest -- the
[2:56:17] 
[2:56:17] traffic suddenly stopped bec  folk were cr
[2:56:21] folk were crossing the lane --
[2:56:22] 
[2:56:22] down the street.
[2:56:23] stopped abruptly.
[2:56:25] several other cars and myself
[2:56:27] had to hit the bike lane to
[2:56:30] get -- to stop from getting hit
[2:56:33] 
[2:56:33] with cars headed north on 6th
[2:56:35] street.
[2:56:35] the police department.
[2:56:39] we were stuck out if the     I
[2:56:42] n the
[2:56:42] lane.
[2:56:42] the traffic light changed on u
[2:56:44] s
[2:56:44] because the traffic had abruptly
[2:56:45] 
[2:56:45] stopped.
[2:56:45] it's a problem.
[2:56:47] it is a problem.
[2:56:49] I think that we need to revisit
[2:56:51] 
[2:56:51] our comp plan because in that
[2:56:53] comp plan it clearly states tha
[2:56:56] t
[2:56:56] you need to make other changes
[2:56:59] 
[2:56:59] to roads when you resurface a
[2:57:02] street or do the sidewalks.
[2:57:04] we don't, I ride.
[2:57:06] I see the children walking,
[2:57:08] parents walking, we don't walk
[2:57:09] 
[2:57:09] in the streets.
[2:57:11] we don't ride our bikes in the
[2:57:12] 
[2:57:12] street.
[2:57:12] we ride on the sidewalk.
[2:57:15] because we were taught not to
[2:57:19] be
[2:57:19] in the streets and compete wit
[2:57:21] h
[2:57:21] a car or truck.
[2:57:21] this is a community, a
[2:57:23] neighborhood.
[2:57:23] a neighborhood.
[2:57:25] and bike lanes doesn't apply to
[2:57:29] 
[2:57:29] the concept that we   we will
[2:57:33] build it now and they will
[2:57:34] come.
[2:57:34] this is an existing community
[2:57:37] and we need to respect it as
[2:57:39] such: there are several projects
[2:57:42] 
[2:57:42] if you are looking for project
[2:57:43] s
[2:57:43] that can be beneficial to us.
[2:57:47] one is getting rid of that
[2:57:50] recycling plant right on waldo
[2:57:52] 
[2:57:52] and 8th avenue that provides
[2:57:56] dust to residents of us living
[2:57:59] 
[2:57:59] in the community creating healt
[2:58:01] h
[2:58:01] issues.
[2:58:01] folk can't open their windows
[2:58:04] boss of     because of the noi
[2:58:06] se and
[2:58:06] air pollution.
[2:58:07] that you can relocate that
[2:58:12] convenience store on 8th
[2:58:15] avenue that you gave permissio
[2:58:17] n
[2:58:17] to sell beer and wine or
[2:58:19] whatever else out of it, and
[2:58:21] plaster the signs all over the
[2:58:24] 
[2:58:24] window right in front of a
[2:58:26] recreation center and a
[2:58:28] nursery.
[2:58:28] >> mayor: I am a going to ask
[2:58:31] you to wrap up.
[2:58:34] that's not how we do it.
[2:58:36] you know that.
[2:58:37] >> and the same thing happens o
[2:58:39] n
[2:58:39] southeast 4th avenue.
[2:58:41] this is, this is not good for
[2:58:42] our community.
[2:58:46] it creates all kind of problem
[2:58:47] s
[2:58:47] for our children at they young
[2:58:50] 
[2:58:50] age and now you have come in
[2:58:52] talking about bicycles putting
[2:58:53] 
[2:58:53] them in the streets.
[2:58:54] trying to kill them.
[2:58:56] >> mayor: ms. Miles hamilton I'm
[2:58:57] 
[2:58:57] going to ask you to wrap up.
[2:58:58] you're at four minutes.
[2:58:59] >> okay, I will, thank you,
[2:59:00] sir.
[2:59:00] and another thing we can do is
[2:59:05] 
[2:59:05] to provide avenues for economic
[2:59:08] 
[2:59:08] development, provide
[2:59:09] recreational after-school
[2:59:11] programs for our kids so that
[2:59:14] they can continue to do -- the
[2:59:15] 
[2:59:15] city used to do that.
[2:59:17] >> mayor: I'm going to ask you
[2:59:18] 
[2:59:18] to wrap up, please.
[2:59:19] >> we appreciate it and I would
[2:59:20] 
[2:59:20] like to say that if you continue
[2:59:22] 
[2:59:22] to ignore our safety, our
[2:59:25] children, our peace, and our
[2:59:26] survival, we will target your
[2:59:28] seats.
[2:59:28] >> amen.
[2:59:33] >> mayor: ms. Miles hamilton, I
[2:59:34] 
[2:59:34] would love to schedule a meeti
[2:59:35] ng
[2:59:35] with you.
[2:59:35] please.
[2:59:35] >> okay.
[2:59:36] thank you.
[2:59:37] >> we have kali blount followed
[2:59:40] 
[2:59:40] by andrew miles and dejohn
[2:59:42] dijon
[2:59:48] cane.
[2:59:48] >> they brought up removing
[2:59:50] trees.
[2:59:50] it should be part of the study.
[2:59:53] 
[2:59:53] trees really are removable,
[2:59:54] which ones are alien.
[2:59:56] if you remove the only more
[2:59:57] a3w-7bdant       abundant trees
[3:00:00] will
[3:00:00] that clear a path on either sid
[3:00:02] e
[3:00:02] of the street.
[3:00:02] we don't want to expand heat
[3:00:03] islands, so you should be
[3:00:05] preserving the trees.
[3:00:10] and with these street changes
[3:00:12] and you're talking later about
[3:00:13] 
[3:00:13] utility changes, even if you
[3:00:17] weren't putting utilities under
[3:00:18] 
[3:00:18] ground, you're dealing with the
[3:00:21] 
[3:00:21] surface water drainage, which,
[3:00:25] 
[3:00:25] and there's a couple areas whe
[3:00:26] re
[3:00:26] you have swales on the
[3:00:27] roadside.
[3:00:27] it would be great to turn that
[3:00:29] 
[3:00:29] into level ground over pipe and
[3:00:30] 
[3:00:30] no longer have swales.
[3:00:32] but that's going to involve the
[3:00:34] 
[3:00:34] utilities cooperation.
[3:00:37] and since you and gru are now
[3:00:39] frien-emies, you need to know
[3:00:41] well ahead of time what are the
[3:00:43] y
[3:00:43] going to participate, what wil
[3:00:44] l
[3:00:44] be their participation.
[3:00:46] and I mentioned earlier when I
[3:00:49] 
[3:00:49] talked about the zero project --
[3:00:52] 
[3:00:52] the project zero event the oth
[3:00:53] er
[3:00:53] day, what I think of the quali
[3:00:55] ty
[3:00:55] of outreach.
[3:00:57] too often the outreach is bring
[3:00:59] 
[3:00:59] a citizens in, let them hear a
[3:01:01] 
[3:01:01] presentations, and they don't
[3:01:03] get to speak back to the room
[3:01:05] and each other and the staff.
[3:01:07] or they just get to take two
[3:01:09] cookies and go home or they're
[3:01:11] 
[3:01:11] told write your question on an
[3:01:12] 
[3:01:12] index card.
[3:01:13] that's not good enough.
[3:01:16] and that feeds into one giant
[3:01:20] apprehension for this
[3:01:21] neighborhood.
[3:01:21] they've seen what happened in
[3:01:23] 5th avenue and pleasant street
[3:01:26] 
[3:01:26] and porters.
[3:01:27] is this a prequell to
[3:01:30] gentrification?
[3:01:30] they need some reassurance.
[3:01:33] and for $500,000, do we get
[3:01:38] anywhere into the kinetic part
[3:01:39] 
[3:01:39] of this work?
[3:01:41] you know, since I've been in
[3:01:42] town in '87 I'm sure there's
[3:01:44] been 6 or $7 million spent on
[3:01:46] consultants and studies that
[3:01:47] have given you lots of paper t
[3:01:49] o
[3:01:49] protect your    shelves from d
[3:01:53] ust,
[3:01:53] but we want to see it become
[3:01:54] actual action so does this get
[3:01:56] 
[3:01:56] us into -- even if it's just a
[3:01:58] 
[3:01:58] coordination with d.o.t., I
[3:02:01] think the park west of waldo
[3:02:02] might be d.o.t. Concern, or
[3:02:05] required testing, maybe a test
[3:02:09] 
[3:02:09] soil on where you're going to
[3:02:10] pay new, put new pavement make
[3:02:13] 
[3:02:13] sure it's good.
[3:02:15] so for $500,000, I hope we're
[3:02:17] getting into some part of the
[3:02:20] kinetic part of this work.
[3:02:22] a shovel in the dirt, somewhere
[3:02:24] 
[3:02:24] for that $500,000 and not just
[3:02:26] a
[3:02:27] new pile of paper.
[3:02:29] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:02:30] mr. Blount.
[3:02:32] >> andrew miles followed by
[3:02:35] dijon cane and pastor earnestee
[3:02:43] n
[3:02:43] butler.
[3:02:43] >> welcome, how are you doing
[3:02:45] again.
[3:02:45] I'm coming to talk to you about
[3:02:48] 
[3:02:48] the road construction as well.
[3:02:50] 
[3:02:50] and I want to go straight to th
[3:02:51] e
[3:02:51] crash data because the crash
[3:02:53] data that they're talking is
[3:02:54] about for the safety and so
[3:02:56] forth, is somewhat inconclusiv
[3:02:59] e
[3:02:59] andit don't really related to
[3:03:01] speed or to any particular thi
[3:03:04] ng
[3:03:04] that's why they have all the
[3:03:05] incidents.
[3:03:05] so we can't exactly say that al
[3:03:10] l
[3:03:10] of those incidents is because o
[3:03:11] f
[3:03:11] speed.
[3:03:11] first of all.
[3:03:13] so that's kind of screwed a
[3:03:14] little bit.
[3:03:17] the speed tables and the zippe
[3:03:22] rs
[3:03:22] along for the bike path and so
[3:03:23] 
[3:03:23] forth is by biggest objection.
[3:03:26] 
[3:03:26] 8th avenue definitely,
[3:03:27] definitely need to have some
[3:03:29] renovation done to so forth but
[3:03:31] 
[3:03:31] the speed tables I think is an
[3:03:34] 
[3:03:34] unnecessary, little bit
[3:03:35] overkill, and we don't have
[3:03:37] enough data that directly
[3:03:40] relates it to speeding, and so
[3:03:43] 
[3:03:43] forth because as far as we know,
[3:03:45] 
[3:03:45] it could be from people texting,
[3:03:47] 
[3:03:47] it could be from folks talking
[3:03:49] 
[3:03:49] on the phone or just not payin
[3:03:51] g  attent
[3:03:51] attentn.  So
[3:03:51] soforth so a lot of that is the
[3:03:53] 
[3:03:53] reason why we have lot of
[3:03:55] accidents in the first place
[3:03:56] more so than speeding.
[3:03:59] the other thing is that some of
[3:04:05] 
[3:04:05] the causes that you do have
[3:04:06] superspeeding is somewhat could
[3:04:08] 
[3:04:08] be related to that on the west
[3:04:11] 
[3:04:11] side of 8th avenue before you
[3:04:13] cross waldo, the speed limit I
[3:04:15] s
[3:04:15] 35 miles an hour.
[3:04:16] so coming across waldo road it'
[3:04:20] s
[3:04:20] kind of hard transitioning
[3:04:21] there.
[3:04:21] I drive that way quite a bit a
[3:04:22] nd
[3:04:22] so forth myself coming back and
[3:04:27] 
[3:04:27] forth every day.
[3:04:27] a little speed transition coming
[3:04:28] 
[3:04:28] through there, but having the
[3:04:30] speed tables up on 8th avenue
[3:04:31] is going to slow down traffic,
[3:04:34] 
[3:04:34] it's going to slow down traffic
[3:04:35] 
[3:04:35] so much until I think it's
[3:04:36] possibly even make it dangerous
[3:04:38] 
[3:04:38] for us that are living there
[3:04:40] because we have a lot of traff
[3:04:41] ic
[3:04:41] that's flowing through that
[3:04:44] little -- there and we     and
[3:04:48] so
[3:04:48] forth.
[3:04:48] we do want the road to be fixed
[3:04:52] 
[3:04:52] and so forth, and some other
[3:04:54] ated stuff, and some bike paths
[3:04:57] 
[3:04:57] could be some additional stuff
[3:04:58] 
[3:04:58] that could be help it a little
[3:05:00] 
[3:05:00] bit, but like I said, the
[3:05:01] zipper's going to impede a who
[3:05:02] le
[3:05:02] lot.
[3:05:02] even widening the sidwould
[3:05:04] make it a little bit better.
[3:05:07] some folks don't want -- but I
[3:05:08] 
[3:05:08] don't know who if the world
[3:05:10] in
[3:05:11] the world decided to put large
[3:05:12] 
[3:05:12] oak trees in the middle of a
[3:05:13] sidewalk that's going to grow
[3:05:15] this big around as this table,
[3:05:17] 
[3:05:17] and it's going to tear up the
[3:05:18] roads, it's going to tear up t
[3:05:20] he
[3:05:20] sidewalk as soon as you fix the
[3:05:21] 
[3:05:21] roads, five, six years from now
[3:05:23] ,
[3:05:23] we have to resurface the road
[3:05:24] again because of all of the
[3:05:25] roots.
[3:05:25] I don't care how you trim the
[3:05:28] trees, it's going -- some
[3:05:31] consideration or replacing tho
[3:05:32] se
[3:05:32] oaks with some more manageable
[3:05:35] 
[3:05:35] trees, possibly would be
[3:05:37] better.
[3:05:37] but again, my biggest objection
[3:05:42] 
[3:05:42] is the speed tables and zipper
[3:05:46] 
[3:05:46] ties, but having a path for
[3:05:48] bikes, that would be okay
[3:05:50] because I ride a bike quite a
[3:05:52] bit but I don't have any probl
[3:05:54] em
[3:05:54] riding bikes over on the east
[3:05:56] side of town and so forth and I
[3:05:58] 
[3:05:58] have been riding for over 67
[3:05:59] years.
[3:05:59] over there haven't had any
[3:06:02] problems and as I said the
[3:06:04] speeding and so forth the data
[3:06:05] 
[3:06:05] is too inconclusive and not too
[3:06:09] 
[3:06:09] much to say it's directly
[3:06:10] related to a speed problem and
[3:06:13] 
[3:06:13] so forth.
[3:06:13] but I hope you consider making
[3:06:16] 
[3:06:16] the changes but some of the
[3:06:18] stuff which is zippers and the
[3:06:22] 
[3:06:22] speed humps like I said that's
[3:06:23] 
[3:06:23] my biggest complaint and so
[3:06:25] forth because if an emergency
[3:06:26] happened on the east side of
[3:06:27] town, it's going to be a probl
[3:06:30] em
[3:06:30] with all those people trying t
[3:06:31] o
[3:06:31] get out because it's only so
[3:06:34] many exits coming from the eas
[3:06:36] t
[3:06:36] side of town.
[3:06:37] 8th avenue, university avenue,
[3:06:40] 
[3:06:40] 12th avenue.
[3:06:41] we used to have 10th avenue
[3:06:42] but it was closed off when the
[3:06:43] y
[3:06:43] put that little place down
[3:06:44] there.
[3:06:44] so a lot of people coming out o
[3:06:49] f
[3:06:49] east side of town -- not reall
[3:06:51] y
[3:06:51] going to benefit --
[3:06:52] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:06:52] >> we have dijon cane followed
[3:06:54] 
[3:06:54] by pastor earnesteen butler and
[3:06:56] 
[3:06:56] then corey brunson.
[3:06:58] >> mayor: welcome.
[3:06:58] >> all right, good afternoon,
[3:06:59] commission.
[3:06:59] I grew up on the east side.
[3:07:02] I'm running for commission in
[3:07:03] district 3, which is all of
[3:07:04] southwest.
[3:07:04] and I preach this all the time
[3:07:06] 
[3:07:06] when you're from gainesville y
[3:07:08] ou
[3:07:08] know gainesville.
[3:07:09] and when I heard about this,I
[3:07:10] looked it up I was like wow
[3:07:12] that's crazy.
[3:07:12] I thought about the fune rlt
[3:07:15] best thing about -- funerals.
[3:07:17] let's think about how those
[3:07:18] funerals go -- you're going it
[3:07:21] 
[3:07:21] take         going to take tha
[3:07:24] t away.
[3:07:25] they ain't going to have
[3:07:27] anywhere to do the funerals an
[3:07:28] d
[3:07:28] the cars will not know where t
[3:07:29] o
[3:07:29] park.
[3:07:29] the other thing is the amount o
[3:07:31] f
[3:07:31] money you want to spend on this
[3:07:31] 
[3:07:31] when we really don't need it,
[3:07:33] you could just do the
[3:07:34] reconstruction, we need a
[3:07:36] grocery store.
[3:07:37] we need better development.
[3:07:40] we need better things for the
[3:07:41] kids.we have programs called the
[3:07:43] 
[3:07:43] outlet.
[3:07:43] all that stuff, the city did
[3:07:45] post-917 gainesville police
[3:07:49] explorers, other programs in
[3:07:50] this community, that's what we
[3:07:50] 
[3:07:50] need.
[3:07:50] but if we going -- it amaze me
[3:07:53] 
[3:07:53] that -- amazes me nat we that w
[3:07:57] e
[3:07:57] spend this kind of money hon
[3:07:59] this but we can't get a growsy
[3:08:00] 
[3:08:00] store.
[3:08:00] that's a problem.
[3:08:03] many of you are like wow.
[3:08:04] no, it's the truth.
[3:08:05] when we say we want economic
[3:08:06] development, what do you reall
[3:08:07] y
[3:08:07] want?
[3:08:07] why are you really here?
[3:08:09] I know one commissioner can't d
[3:08:11] o
[3:08:11] it.
[3:08:11] because that's her district.
[3:08:12] but we got to work together to
[3:08:14] 
[3:08:14] do it.
[3:08:15] because I'm going to tell you,
[3:08:16] 
[3:08:16] this is a mess.
[3:08:17] but it's funny to me how we wan
[3:08:18] t
[3:08:18] to put this infrastructure in
[3:08:20] right now when we didn't care
[3:08:21] about it 20 years ago.
[3:08:25] time comes about change.
[3:08:26] but we got to be careful when
[3:08:28] we're spending this kind of
[3:08:29] money on this.
[3:08:31] when we need so much more in
[3:08:34] that community.
[3:08:35] and it's lacking because guess
[3:08:37] 
[3:08:37] what?
[3:08:37] we have not made the investmen
[3:08:39] ts
[3:08:39] over the years.
[3:08:40] it ain't just this commission.
[3:08:42] blame you.
[3:08:44] it's past commissions, past
[3:08:46] problems.
[3:08:46] it is piled on top of each oth
[3:08:49] er
[3:08:49] and on top of each other and
[3:08:51] people are tired.
[3:08:52] these folks are tired.
[3:08:54] when is things going to change?
[3:08:56] 
[3:08:56] when is it going to get better?
[3:08:58] 
[3:08:58] I remember being, you know, in
[3:09:01] a
[3:09:01] black on black crime task force
[3:09:02] 
[3:09:02] at 14, and we had this plan eas
[3:09:05] t
[3:09:05] gainesville they lied.
[3:09:06] we keep lying.
[3:09:07] when are we going to do what we
[3:09:09] 
[3:09:09] need to do?
[3:09:09] when are we going to hear the
[3:09:10] need?
[3:09:10] when are we going to spark the
[3:09:13] 
[3:09:13] change, and whether are we
[3:09:14] really -- when are we really
[3:09:16] going to serve the people and
[3:09:17] I'm going to tell you it is a
[3:09:19] big problem we haven't heard
[3:09:20] from the community.
[3:09:21] that won't happen on any other
[3:09:23] 
[3:09:23] side of the town, so why is it
[3:09:24] 
[3:09:24] happening with us?
[3:09:25] and I think that every
[3:09:26] commissioner up there should
[3:09:27] listen to what I'm saying.
[3:09:28] it don't happen on no other sid
[3:09:30] e
[3:09:30] of town.
[3:09:32] why is it happening on the
[3:09:34] east?
[3:09:34] so if you're really wanting to
[3:09:35] 
[3:09:35] do your job, for the people and
[3:09:37] 
[3:09:37] serve the people, vote this dow
[3:09:39] n
[3:09:39] today.
[3:09:39] and when they do the right job
[3:09:43] 
[3:09:43] then we can come back and have a
[3:09:45] 
[3:09:45] conversation.
[3:09:45] we're here for the people.
[3:09:46] you're not getting paid to get
[3:09:47] 
[3:09:47] paid.
[3:09:47] you're working for the people.
[3:09:48] 
[3:09:48] let's do it.
[3:09:49] it's not hard.
[3:09:50] so thank you very much.
[3:09:52] I look forward to you hearing
[3:09:53] the needs, serving the people,
[3:09:55] 
[3:09:55] and sparking the change.
[3:09:56] something we're missing in thu
[3:09:57] s
[3:09:57] community.
[3:09:57] thank you very much.
[3:10:00] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:10:00] I do want to before anybody els
[3:10:01] e
[3:10:01] comes up I want to point out
[3:10:03] that it is right now a
[3:10:04] $2 million grant out to help
[3:10:06] folks who live in the community
[3:10:07] ,
[3:10:07] invest in that community.
[3:10:08] >> yes, mr. Mayor, I tote sale
[3:10:10] 
[3:10:10] understand that and respect
[3:10:10] that.
[3:10:10] my only thing with that is gue
[3:10:13] ss
[3:10:13] what?
[3:10:13] it's a little late.
[3:10:14] we need more, I get you --
[3:10:15] >> mayor: if not now, when?
[3:10:18] >> I been asking you that
[3:10:19] question since I have 14 years
[3:10:20] 
[3:10:20] old.
[3:10:20] >> if not now, when.
[3:10:22] >> mr. Mayor, with all due
[3:10:24] respect I have been asking tha
[3:10:25] t
[3:10:25] since I was 14, and --
[3:10:27] >> mayor: we're trying, for
[3:10:28] goodness sake.
[3:10:29] that's what we're doing.
[3:10:29] >> let's work together,
[3:10:30] mr. Mayor.
[3:10:31] >> mayor: come on.
[3:10:32] let's get some more folks
[3:10:33] talking.
[3:10:33] >> all right, we have pastor
[3:10:35] ernesteen butler followed by
[3:10:37] corey brunson and then mr. Kip
[3:10:39] 
[3:10:39] hayes senior.
[3:10:40] >> mayor: welcome, pastor.
[3:10:41] >> hello.
[3:10:44] I've been sitting there for
[3:10:45] awhile little stiff.
[3:10:49] but the things that they're
[3:10:52] asking and talking about on
[3:10:54] 8th avenue as far as I too can
[3:10:58] 
[3:10:58] talk about lots more that we
[3:11:01] need on 8th avenue.
[3:11:02] but right now I will focus on
[3:11:08] the transportation, the streets,
[3:11:09] 
[3:11:09] the things that are happening
[3:11:11] right now.
[3:11:13] and right now one of the thing
[3:11:15] s
[3:11:15] that I'm seriously against is
[3:11:18] the bicycle lane.
[3:11:20] yes, we ride our bicycle.
[3:11:23] I have a tricycle, and y ride I
[3:11:26] t
[3:11:26] on the -- I ride it on the
[3:11:27] sidewalk.
[3:11:27] so yes, that's what we do.
[3:11:32] I did sit no one else have any
[3:11:36] 
[3:11:36] data on how many bicycles that
[3:11:38] 
[3:11:38] go from 8th avenue down.
[3:11:40] well guess what?
[3:11:41] I was sitting there and every
[3:11:45] night then at antioch where
[3:11:46] they're talking about, I sat
[3:11:48] there and every now and then I
[3:11:50] 
[3:11:50] would say there is a bicycle.
[3:11:51] there is a bicycle.
[3:11:54] I think I counted about two,
[3:11:58] ipabout a       in about a wee
[3:12:03] k's time
[3:12:03] of people riding their bicycle
[3:12:07] s
[3:12:07] out there.
[3:12:08] other than that, there was n
[3:12:09] and as far as the trees are
[3:12:11] concerned -- I love trees.
[3:12:14] I garden.
[3:12:15] I love trees.
[3:12:17] but a water oak is different.
[3:12:23] the leaves are slippery when
[3:12:25] wet.
[3:12:25] how many times I've almost
[3:12:29] slipped down just walking acros
[3:12:32] s
[3:12:32] the street because of the leave
[3:12:34] s
[3:12:34] and no, we don't have them
[3:12:36] coming cleaning as often.
[3:12:39] so those oak trees, now they're
[3:12:43] 
[3:12:43] water oaks, plant something
[3:12:46] else.
[3:12:46] some other kind of trees like
[3:12:49] they have on the other side on
[3:12:52] 
[3:12:52] west side.
[3:12:53] they have different types of
[3:12:53] trees.
[3:12:53] they don't have water oaks.
[3:12:56] we do.
[3:12:58] and yes, I was sitting there,
[3:13:00] and all of a sudden this limb
[3:13:03] big limb green fell.
[3:13:07] it was like, why?
[3:13:11] limb was still green but it
[3:13:13] fell.
[3:13:13] big limb.
[3:13:15] I'm not talking about a little
[3:13:16] 
[3:13:16] twig.
[3:13:16] so therefore, yeah, there is a
[3:13:20] 
[3:13:20] lot of things that are
[3:13:22] happening.
[3:13:22] no one here would disagree tha
[3:13:27] t
[3:13:27] it need to be paved or
[3:13:29] surfaced.
[3:13:29] no one because I'm trying to
[3:13:35] dodge potholes as I drive along
[3:13:38] ,
[3:13:38] and to come and just patch one
[3:13:40] 
[3:13:40] here and patch one there is a
[3:13:43] mess.
[3:13:43] and since I am a pastor and I d
[3:13:45] o
[3:13:45] go to church not that -- is not
[3:13:48] 
[3:13:48] my church, but I've had to do
[3:13:50] funerals there, can you imagine
[3:13:53] 
[3:13:53] if we had to bring the body
[3:13:56] around the back because of tho
[3:13:57] se
[3:13:57] big ugly zippers?
[3:14:00] parked out front of the church,
[3:14:03] 
[3:14:03] and by the way, I was born and
[3:14:06] 
[3:14:06] raised on off of 5th avenue.
[3:14:09] I literally got lost the other
[3:14:12] 
[3:14:12] day, and I was riding in a
[3:14:14] bicycle lane, didn't, it was
[3:14:18] like my god, then I had to go
[3:14:22] down the wrong road, turn, and
[3:14:24] I
[3:14:25] literally didn't know how to g
[3:14:27] et
[3:14:27] back to the new restaurant
[3:14:28] that's down 5th avenue.
[3:14:31] I didn't know how to get back.
[3:14:33] 
[3:14:33] it was like it's too many littl
[3:14:36] e
[3:14:36] one-way little things, and I w
[3:14:38] as
[3:14:38] like, but I was born and raise
[3:14:40] d
[3:14:40] here.
[3:14:40] no one told me, no one did
[3:14:45] anything, and yes we're still
[3:14:46] going through that shock of
[3:14:51] having the street redone from
[3:14:56] west of main street.
[3:14:58] >> mayor: I'm going to ask you
[3:15:00] 
[3:15:00] to wrap up, please.
[3:15:01] >> west of main street.
[3:15:02] so no, I disagree with them
[3:15:04] changing things on east --
[3:15:10] >> mayor: so again, I'm going to
[3:15:11] 
[3:15:11] be clear that we're not voting
[3:15:13] 
[3:15:13] to -- there won't be a vote
[3:15:14] today to do anything.
[3:15:20] >> [off mic]
[3:15:21] we don't like it.
[3:15:23] >> mayor: yes, ma'am, that's
[3:15:24] what we're here to hear, not t
[3:15:27] o
[3:15:27] decide how to vote on it because  there's
[3:15:29] there's no vote today on pavin
[3:15:30] g
[3:15:30] it or on adding speed bumps or
[3:15:33] 
[3:15:33] anything else.
[3:15:33] who's next.
[3:15:34] >> we have corey brunson
[3:15:36] followed by kip hayes and ryan
[3:15:38] 
[3:15:38] undine who is the last one on
[3:15:40] the list.
[3:15:41] >> mayor: welcome.
[3:15:42] >> hi.
[3:15:43] corey brunson, and just speaking
[3:15:44] 
[3:15:44] for myself, I also was confused
[3:15:51] 
[3:15:51] when reading the item on the
[3:15:53] agenda a couple of days ago or
[3:15:55] a
[3:15:55] few days ago in that it looked
[3:15:57] 
[3:15:57] like something was about to be
[3:15:58] 
[3:15:58] decided that I had not been
[3:15:59] aware of for quite sometime, a
[3:16:01] nd
[3:16:01] sent a kind of frantic email
[3:16:02] suggesting this needs to be
[3:16:04] considered alongside the options
[3:16:06] 
[3:16:06] that are proposed in this
[3:16:08] report.
[3:16:08] and so I want to apologize for
[3:16:11] 
[3:16:11] acting like I was trying to mak
[3:16:12] e
[3:16:12] a recommendation to do this
[3:16:14] instead of that.
[3:16:15] I am glad that this is an
[3:16:17] ongoing conversation.
[3:16:19] and so I want to emphasize tha
[3:16:22] t
[3:16:22] I think what I'm going to speak
[3:16:23] ,
[3:16:23] what I'm going to say is more
[3:16:25] towards the procedural than
[3:16:27] towards the infrastructural.
[3:16:30] the community needs to exert the
[3:16:32] 
[3:16:32] greatest influence on how this
[3:16:33] 
[3:16:33] resurfacing is done.
[3:16:35] but the -- but the procedure
[3:16:37] sets a precedent that the whole
[3:16:39] 
[3:16:39] city is eventually going to fee
[3:16:41] l
[3:16:41] the impact of.
[3:16:43] one thing to be aware of is tha
[3:16:46] t
[3:16:46] narrowing car lanes from 11 to
[3:16:48] 
[3:16:48] 10 feet, from 10 to 9 feet,
[3:16:50] reduces speeds, which prevents
[3:16:53] 
[3:16:53] injury, reduces injury, even if
[3:16:55] 
[3:16:55] it doesn't reduce number of
[3:16:56] crashes.
[3:16:56] motorists can be spect expecte
[3:17:01] d
[3:17:01] to drive the streets facilitat
[3:17:04] ed
[3:17:04] by the street and road design,
[3:17:05] 
[3:17:05] more lively than the posted
[3:17:06] speed limits.
[3:17:07] we've seen evidence of that.
[3:17:08] and I would say the city stree
[3:17:10] ts
[3:17:10] nee to be appropriately narrowed
[3:17:13] 
[3:17:13] if they are wider than necessa
[3:17:15] ry
[3:17:15] in general regardless of the
[3:17:17] impacts of pedestrian -- on
[3:17:18] pedestrians and cyclists.
[3:17:21] speaking as a cyclist, bicycli
[3:17:23] ng
[3:17:23] may not be may not expand at a
[3:17:28] 
[3:17:28] appreciable rate unless or unt
[3:17:31] il
[3:17:31] the infrastructure is improved.
[3:17:34] 
[3:17:34] but e-cycling, microtransits,
[3:17:37] are going to expand regardless
[3:17:39] 
[3:17:39] because they are convenient for
[3:17:41] 
[3:17:41] people who can't or won't put
[3:17:42] themselves in traffic at a
[3:17:44] relatively low speed bicycle.
[3:17:47] and so infrastructure
[3:17:49] redevelopment needs to
[3:17:50] accommodate at least these thr
[3:17:54] ee
[3:17:54] tiers.
[3:17:54] when you separate at the very
[3:17:56] least we need to separate
[3:17:57] pedestrians from e-bikes.
[3:17:59] and that can't be safely done b
[3:18:01] y
[3:18:01] forcing e-bikes and cyclists
[3:18:03] into the same lanes as traffic
[3:18:04] .
[3:18:04] as car traffic.
[3:18:08] my suggestions were just to
[3:18:10] narrow the lanes by a foot or
[3:18:11] two in each direction, which
[3:18:13] would admit plenty of buffers
[3:18:15] separating a two-way bike path
[3:18:19] 
[3:18:19] which would then reduce the
[3:18:20] number of zippers by about hal
[3:18:22] f,
[3:18:22] the number of -- and cyclists b
[3:18:29] y
[3:18:29] half by putting all the bike
[3:18:30] infrastructure on one side of
[3:18:32] the road.
[3:18:35] and make it more inviting to
[3:18:37] people riding together.
[3:18:40] ideally incre use.
[3:18:46] >> mayor: ask you to wrap up,
[3:18:46] please.
[3:18:46] >> that'll be fine.
[3:18:48] I'll wrap up there.
[3:18:49] thank you.
[3:18:49] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:18:51] >> mr. Kip hayes senior,
[3:18:53] followed by ryan undine.
[3:18:55] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Hayes.
[3:18:56] >> thank you.
[3:18:58] thank you for having me.
[3:19:01] make this brief.
[3:19:02] I'm a property owner of
[3:19:05] property, I have property on the
[3:19:07] 
[3:19:07] corridor of east gainesville
[3:19:09] duval area.
[3:19:10] and I own what's called the
[3:19:12] slab.
[3:19:12] I own the two-story building
[3:19:15] that used to be russell henry's
[3:19:17] 
[3:19:17] barber shop.
[3:19:18] I own the property between the
[3:19:21] 
[3:19:21] me and the church of unity.
[3:19:23] we split the lot.
[3:19:23] I own 10 other slots behind the
[3:19:26] 
[3:19:26] slab and behind the other
[3:19:27] building itself.
[3:19:31] I just got my permits to build
[3:19:34] ,
[3:19:34] to build out the russell henry
[3:19:37] 
[3:19:37] building to a restaurant to a
[3:19:40] food downstairs.
[3:19:43] also applying for the grant to
[3:19:46] 
[3:19:46] redo the slab and some of the
[3:19:48] parcels behind the slap to put
[3:19:51] a
[3:19:51] small convenient grocery store
[3:19:53] 
[3:19:53] there.
[3:19:53] right?
[3:19:53] with a pharmacy because we got
[3:19:56] a
[3:19:56] lot of people in duval, you
[3:19:58] know, that need to get to a
[3:20:00] pharmacy that's not I think it'
[3:20:01] s
[3:20:01] either wal-mart or cvs.
[3:20:03] so we also need to do something
[3:20:05] 
[3:20:05] about the store that's next do
[3:20:07] or
[3:20:07] to the slab, it's on that
[3:20:10] corridor as well.
[3:20:12] and I figure if we put a bette
[3:20:16] r
[3:20:16] product on 8th avenue, better
[3:20:20] services, better sort of a
[3:20:23] better convenience store but a
[3:20:24] 
[3:20:24] small grocery store, it will
[3:20:27] eliminate a lot of the things
[3:20:28] going on at that store.
[3:20:29] I'm saying all that because the
[3:20:30] 
[3:20:30] bike lanes even in the future
[3:20:34] with the traffic that this
[3:20:35] particular project that I'm
[3:20:36] working on is, that I'm
[3:20:37] developing, there would be no
[3:20:40] need, there would be no room for
[3:20:42] 
[3:20:42] a bike lane with the traffic
[3:20:43] that's going to increase with
[3:20:45] the businesses that I'm trying
[3:20:46] 
[3:20:46] to set up there.
[3:20:48] right?
[3:20:48] I agree with the resurfacing.
[3:20:52] and I agree with that
[3:20:53] wholeheartedly.
[3:20:53] we been needing that.
[3:20:55] but as far as adding bike lanes
[3:20:59] ,
[3:20:59] now or in the future, to what I
[3:21:01] 
[3:21:01] plan on doing, over there as fa
[3:21:04] r
[3:21:04] as enhancing that community,
[3:21:06] putting a better product out
[3:21:07] there, having a better service
[3:21:10] 
[3:21:10] for the community itself, I
[3:21:14] don't see how that's going to
[3:21:15] work.
[3:21:15] I'm from that area.
[3:21:17] I grew up in that area.
[3:21:18] I grew up in duval.
[3:21:20] my mom still lives over there.
[3:21:21] 
[3:21:21] I'm -- the people in the --
[3:21:23] sitting behind me they see me
[3:21:24] over there every day cleaning u
[3:21:26] p
[3:21:26] that property.
[3:21:26] cleared those lots, those, the
[3:21:29] 
[3:21:29] trees, the bushes, overbrush,
[3:21:32] all that stuff.
[3:21:32] I did all that with my own dim
[3:21:33] e,
[3:21:33] I bought this property with my
[3:21:34] 
[3:21:34] own money.
[3:21:35] so I invested my own money int
[3:21:37] o
[3:21:37] this area because this is my
[3:21:39] area.
[3:21:39] this is my property.
[3:21:41] I hate to see what's going on
[3:21:42] over there, but I'm one man.
[3:21:45] if the city really wants to
[3:21:46] help, help me put a grocery
[3:21:47] store on my property.
[3:21:48] help me develop it.
[3:21:49] help me hire -- you know,
[3:21:51] whatever you want to do, as fa
[3:21:53] r
[3:21:53] as developing that area, getti
[3:21:54] ng
[3:21:54] rid of the slab, and running
[3:21:56] that convenience store out of
[3:21:57] business because I don't think
[3:21:58] 
[3:21:58] they can be bought out, so let
[3:22:01] 's
[3:22:01] do that.
[3:22:02] thank you.
[3:22:04] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:22:05] >> brian undine.
[3:22:08] >> question for him.
[3:22:09] >> mayor: hold on.
[3:22:09] just a minute, mr. Hayes.
[3:22:10] come back up.
[3:22:11] we have a question for you.
[3:22:14] commissioner chestnut.
[3:22:14] >> thank you.
[3:22:15] thank you, mr. Hayes.
[3:22:16] it sounds like you are taking
[3:22:17] advantage of the grant that the
[3:22:20] 
[3:22:20] city --
[3:22:20] >> yes, ma'am, I have a --
[3:22:22] >> made available --
[3:22:23] >> yes, ma'am, I have a grant
[3:22:24] writer on it right now.
[3:22:24] we're going to submit it in the
[3:22:25] 
[3:22:25] next couple of days hopefully t
[3:22:27] o
[3:22:27] help with the slab part and some
[3:22:31] 
[3:22:31] facade work on the russell hen
[3:22:32] ry
[3:22:32] building as well.
[3:22:34] I just was permitted, thanks t
[3:22:37] o
[3:22:37] the andrew persons in the offic
[3:22:38] e
[3:22:38] really helping me get my permi
[3:22:40] ts
[3:22:40] and stuff going through and
[3:22:42] commissioner desmon.
[3:22:43] they really helped me because
[3:22:45] this permit with the building
[3:22:47] department took a year.
[3:22:50] and then gun violence helped m
[3:22:51] e
[3:22:51] up a year on the wastewater --
[3:22:53] 
[3:22:53] gru helped     help held me up
[3:22:55] a
[3:22:55] year on the wastewater.
[3:22:56] when I got them involved, when
[3:22:58] I
[3:22:58] got mr. Persons involved and
[3:23:06] commissioner duncan-walker
[3:23:07] involved, I got my permits.
[3:23:09] I got my permits last month and
[3:23:11] 
[3:23:11] now they comup with the grant,
[3:23:13] 
[3:23:13] so I slowed down on what I was
[3:23:15] 
[3:23:15] doing because I'm spending my
[3:23:16] own money like I say to apply
[3:23:17] for some of that money as well
[3:23:19] 
[3:23:19] because I believe if we put a
[3:23:20] pharmacy over there with a nic
[3:23:22] e
[3:23:22] little grocery store, it doesn
[3:23:24] 't
[3:23:24] have to be really big.
[3:23:25] it just has to be what the
[3:23:26] community needs and a pharmacy
[3:23:27] 
[3:23:27] in that put it over there, man
[3:23:29] ,
[3:23:29] and I think we'll do real well.
[3:23:30] 
[3:23:30] I think that it'll change the
[3:23:32] way it looks.
[3:23:33] and the way it feels walking
[3:23:35] down the street of east
[3:23:36] gainesville.
[3:23:36] it doesn't feel good, doesn't
[3:23:39] feel safe.
[3:23:39] you know, I'm over there all t
[3:23:41] he
[3:23:41] time and I'm like it's just
[3:23:43] don't feel right, don't feel
[3:23:44] like home and it's supposed to
[3:23:47] 
[3:23:47] be my home, you know?
[3:23:48] >> well, I want to thank you f
[3:23:50] or
[3:23:50] your due diligence and being
[3:23:53] steady and applying for the
[3:23:54] grant.
[3:23:54] >> thank you.
[3:23:55] >> so thank you.
[3:23:55] >> thank you too.
[3:23:56] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:23:57] commissioner chestnut, and the
[3:23:59] n
[3:23:59] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:24:01] >> mr. Mayor, mine is just
[3:24:02] simply a comment.
[3:24:03] I wanted to also thank you,
[3:24:05] mr. Hayes.
[3:24:06] we've had numerous conversatio
[3:24:08] ns
[3:24:08] over quite sometime now with
[3:24:10] regards to the type of
[3:24:12] innovation that you want to
[3:24:13] bring to that area that is, tha
[3:24:16] t
[3:24:16] is different, and I think
[3:24:18] colleagues expect to hear from
[3:24:20] 
[3:24:20] him based on a much more recen
[3:24:23] t
[3:24:23] conversation and a more formal
[3:24:25] 
[3:24:25] way in terms of a different typ
[3:24:25] e
[3:24:25] of proposal that will also
[3:24:28] impact that area, and so that'
[3:24:29] s
[3:24:29] why this conversation is so
[3:24:30] important.
[3:24:30] I'll conclude right here but
[3:24:33] just to be on the look out for
[3:24:34] 
[3:24:34] something that I believe is
[3:24:35] coming forward.
[3:24:37] I think andrew I mentioned it t
[3:24:38] o
[3:24:38] you as well, so thank you once
[3:24:41] 
[3:24:41] again, mr. Hayes, for trying to
[3:24:44] 
[3:24:44] be a part of the solution with
[3:24:46] 
[3:24:46] regards toic economic
[3:24:49] development on 8th avenue.you.
[3:24:50] 
[3:24:50] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:24:51] commissioner duncan-walker --
[3:24:55] >> I d't have a lot to say.
[3:24:56] so thank you for resurfacing
[3:24:59] that road that is fan fastic,
[3:25:01] well needed, fixing the
[3:25:02] sidewalk, that will be great.
[3:25:04] I would like to point out that
[3:25:05] 
[3:25:05] you're seeing differences in
[3:25:06] speeding from west of waldo,
[3:25:09] they're totally different.
[3:25:10] totally different neighbors and
[3:25:11] 
[3:25:11] smrkt east of waldo is totally
[3:25:13] 
[3:25:13] different than any other secti
[3:25:15] on
[3:25:15] of 8th avenue because it's a
[3:25:17] neighborhood.
[3:25:17] that's a neighborhood street.
[3:25:19] the reason you're seeing those
[3:25:21] 
[3:25:21] speeds is because people are
[3:25:22] coming down waldo road and
[3:25:23] trying to dodge that
[3:25:25] intersection and they come dow
[3:25:26] n,
[3:25:26] they turn right, and they fly
[3:25:27] down that road.
[3:25:29] I live on the corner, I own my
[3:25:31] 
[3:25:31] home on the corner of 23rd
[3:25:33] street and 8th avenue.
[3:25:34] that's where I live.
[3:25:35] we don't have a sidewalk there
[3:25:37] .
[3:25:37] don't care.
[3:25:37] it can come in and not come in,
[3:25:40] 
[3:25:40] I don't care.
[3:25:40] the crosswalks is a great idea,
[3:25:42] 
[3:25:42] as long as you're not ticketing
[3:25:43] 
[3:25:43] people that don't use them
[3:25:44] because it's a neighborhood
[3:25:45] street.
[3:25:45] people are going to want to go
[3:25:47] 
[3:25:47] back and forth, right?
[3:25:48] it is a neighborhood.
[3:25:49] having no intralines telling u
[3:25:52] s
[3:25:52] how -- extra lines telling us
[3:25:55] how we have to use the road is
[3:25:56] 
[3:25:56] okay with us.
[3:25:57] if you want to cut down the
[3:25:59] speed, you have to deter peopl
[3:26:01] e
[3:26:01] from trying to use that as a c
[3:26:03] ut
[3:26:03] through.
[3:26:03] as far as those trees go, those
[3:26:05] 
[3:26:05] trees can be beautiful healthy
[3:26:06] 
[3:26:06] trees water oak or not.
[3:26:08] they are designed to get heavy
[3:26:09] 
[3:26:09] with acorns, load up and break
[3:26:11] ,
[3:26:11] and fall down.
[3:26:13] that's how they're evolved and
[3:26:15] 
[3:26:15] if we're cutting these close t
[3:26:18] o
[3:26:18] the trunk they are going to hav
[3:26:18] e
[3:26:18] rot problems.
[3:26:19] and that's the problem we have
[3:26:21] .
[3:26:21] you send in city crews and
[3:26:23] they're destroying the trees.
[3:26:24] they get unhealthy and are goi
[3:26:25] ng
[3:26:25] to fall.
[3:26:27] I think I said everything.
[3:26:29] oh it food store, yeah.
[3:26:32] if we have accidents on the
[3:26:33] street people getting hit and
[3:26:35] killed that's because they're
[3:26:36] coming from across the street
[3:26:37] of
[3:26:37] the food store stumbling to th
[3:26:38] e
[3:26:38] clarence thomas center and sit
[3:26:41] 
[3:26:41] down and do whatever.
[3:26:42] I can't even go to that park no
[3:26:43] 
[3:26:43] more, right wmy daughter.
[3:26:44] I have a 6-year-old daughter.
[3:26:46] that's another thing.
[3:26:46] kids on the street, that's whe
[3:26:48] re
[3:26:48] I taught her to ride her bike.
[3:26:50] 
[3:26:50] not on that street.
[3:26:50] we don't go on 8th avenue to
[3:26:52] go on that street, all right?
[3:26:53] if we start putting lines on
[3:26:55] there, we got extra laws and
[3:26:56] extra enforcement and we alrea
[3:26:57] dy
[3:26:57] have predatory police trying t
[3:26:59] o
[3:26:59] fill quotas watching for
[3:27:01] teenagers driving slow.
[3:27:02] so please, like we don't need a
[3:27:03] 
[3:27:03] bunch of extra lines.
[3:27:04] it's just a neighborhood.
[3:27:06] do you want extra lines on the
[3:27:07] 
[3:27:07] road outside of your house?
[3:27:09] probably not.
[3:27:10] probably not.
[3:27:11] so I hope y'all have a great
[3:27:12] day.
[3:27:12] god bless.
[3:27:13] thank you.
[3:27:14] for fixing it and next time I
[3:27:15] see you I'll probably be angry
[3:27:16] ,
[3:27:16] who knows, I'm crazy, right?
[3:27:18] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:27:18] >> we did have another sign up,
[3:27:21] 
[3:27:21] arb   armando grundy gomez.
[3:27:24] >> welcome, mr. Gundy.
[3:27:25] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:27:26] armando grundy gomez.
[3:27:27] I guess I want to do a contrac
[3:27:29] ts
[3:27:29] when it comes -- contrast when
[3:27:31] 
[3:27:31] it comes to public works
[3:27:32] projects of this nature when I
[3:27:33] t
[3:27:33] comes to quote, unquote,
[3:27:35] complete streets.
[3:27:35] I remember the last time a few
[3:27:37] 
[3:27:37] iterations ago a few years ago
[3:27:38] 
[3:27:38] when we talk about complete
[3:27:39] streets, we talk about
[3:27:40] university avenue which also
[3:27:42] goes also into our community a
[3:27:43] nd
[3:27:43] district 1.
[3:27:44] and in that during that
[3:27:46] conversation and that time, the
[3:27:48] 
[3:27:48] only real section of university
[3:27:49] 
[3:27:49] avenue that's really a complete
[3:27:51] 
[3:27:51] street is in and around and by
[3:27:53] 
[3:27:53] the definition of a complete
[3:27:54] street, I'm talking about for
[3:27:55] the department of transportatio
[3:27:56] n
[3:27:56] and what civil engineers will
[3:27:58] recognize as you having a  mu
[3:27:59] multimodal pedestrian friendly
[3:28:02] 
[3:28:02] slowing down of traffic,
[3:28:03] et cetera, you have that in and
[3:28:05] 
[3:28:05] around the university but if yo
[3:28:06] u
[3:28:06] have it down in district 1, pas
[3:28:09] t
[3:28:09] waldo road you don't pretty muc
[3:28:10] h
[3:28:10] you don't see that too much.
[3:28:12] you don't see it slowing down.
[3:28:14] 
[3:28:14] of course we have traffic death
[3:28:15] s
[3:28:15] but we also have traffic deaths
[3:28:17] 
[3:28:17] in district 1 too.
[3:28:18] so I just find it interesting
[3:28:19] that we're having the tale of
[3:28:22] two streets.
[3:28:24] so it   I guess I want to
[3:28:26] understand where all this energ
[3:28:27] 
[3:28:27] is coming from to want to have
[3:28:32] 
[3:28:32] this --  one person would say
[3:28:34] we're resurfacing it.
[3:28:35] is that really the reiteration
[3:28:37] 
[3:28:37] of why we're doing this?
[3:28:39] of course we want to have bike
[3:28:40] 
[3:28:40] lanes and they're good, but if
[3:28:41] 
[3:28:41] that was the case why didn't w
[3:28:44] e
[3:28:44] complete university avenue all
[3:28:45] 
[3:28:45] the way down too and make it a
[3:28:47] 
[3:28:47] real complete street?
[3:28:47] because it is the same
[3:28:48] university avenue if I turn off
[3:28:49] 
[3:28:49] of williston road and turn lef
[3:28:51] t,
[3:28:51] and go toward university of
[3:28:53] florida, it's not a complete
[3:28:54] street when you come off
[3:28:58] williston road.
[3:29:01] oh urmy, my      my god it slo
[3:29:04] ws down
[3:29:05] and is beautiful and wonderful
[3:29:06] 
[3:29:06] and gorgeous.
[3:29:07] so that would be my question why
[3:29:09] 
[3:29:09] now.
[3:29:09] where is all this and it's not
[3:29:10] 
[3:29:10] simply because we're resurfacing
[3:29:13] 
[3:29:13] it.
[3:29:13] make it make sense.
[3:29:19] and what's the total cost of
[3:29:21] this?
[3:29:21] so but what we would be great I
[3:29:24] s
[3:29:24] when we're having the
[3:29:25] conversation about the 8th and
[3:29:27] 
[3:29:27] waldo road project is why is
[3:29:28] waldo road looking the same as
[3:29:29] 
[3:29:29] it has for 40 years, why are w
[3:29:31] e
[3:29:31] not having real economic
[3:29:33] investment in economic in that
[3:29:35] 
[3:29:35] corridor, real economic
[3:29:36] investment.
[3:29:36] I'm not talking about parts and
[3:29:38] 
[3:29:38] piece3450e8ing we're doing
[3:29:40] street cafes with gcra money.
[3:29:44] I want to have real
[3:29:45] conversations about what we ca
[3:29:46] n
[3:29:46] do to have meaningful impact in
[3:29:49] 
[3:29:49] the community that sees
[3:29:51] disinvestment from you and not
[3:29:52] 
[3:29:52] real investment.
[3:29:52] thank you so much.
[3:29:53] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:29:54] mr. Grundy.
[3:29:55] I do want to point out we have
[3:29:56] 
[3:29:56] been trying to get the funds
[3:29:58] released to do the similar wor
[3:30:00] k
[3:30:00] on the east end of university
[3:30:03] avenue that fdot released to d
[3:30:06] o
[3:30:06] in front of the university of
[3:30:07] florida for a number of years,
[3:30:09] 
[3:30:09] some of those times while you
[3:30:10] were sitting in the room,
[3:30:11] mr. Grundy.
[3:30:13] but I would love to be able to
[3:30:15] 
[3:30:15] get a safer east university
[3:30:17] avenue as I'm on the record
[3:30:19] voting for a number of times.
[3:30:20] so thank you for that.
[3:30:22] anyone else?
[3:30:23] >> [off mic]
[3:30:25] >> mayor: okay.
[3:30:26] as we move forward, I want to
[3:30:28] let everybody know that unless
[3:30:31] 
[3:30:31] there is a objection we're goi
[3:30:34] ng
[3:30:34] to move the two land use -- th
[3:30:36] e
[3:30:36] land use and zoning item forwa
[3:30:38] rd
[3:30:38] to the end of the agenda becau
[3:30:39] se
[3:30:39] we clearly don't have time for
[3:30:40] 
[3:30:40] them this afternoon.
[3:30:44] and again, what we're talking
[3:30:45] about here is where do we go
[3:30:49] forward as far as more, more
[3:30:51] engagement and more planning, w
[3:30:54] e
[3:30:54] have not had the opportunity t
[3:30:57] o
[3:30:57] have funding available to do
[3:31:00] anything yet as we've said fro
[3:31:01] m
[3:31:01] the beginning of this item.
[3:31:03] so I don't want anybody to thin
[3:31:05] k
[3:31:05] once again that we are in the
[3:31:06] process of rolling out
[3:31:10] crosswalks and all that sort o
[3:31:11] f
[3:31:11] thing right now because it's n
[3:31:13] ot
[3:31:13] funded at this point.
[3:31:16] many, many lights.
[3:31:17] before we move on from this
[3:31:19] item, so commissioner ingle.
[3:31:23] >> I would like to make a motio
[3:31:24] n
[3:31:24] his item until there
[3:31:26] has been community input.
[3:31:29] >> second.
[3:31:30] >> mayor: would
[3:31:31] >> would the maker of the
[3:31:33] motion -- well, let me just say
[3:31:35] 
[3:31:35] this.
[3:31:35] I'm speaking out of turn.
[3:31:36] >> mayor: go ahead, it's all
[3:31:37] right.
[3:31:37] >> in the interest of clarity
[3:31:40] I'm going to convene a meeting
[3:31:44] 
[3:31:44] as the district 1 commissioner.
[3:31:45] 
[3:31:45] I I am going to convene a
[3:31:47] meeting.
[3:31:47] it is something that I've
[3:31:49] already mentioned to staff.
[3:31:52] because there is a certain way
[3:31:53] 
[3:31:53] that I know that I can convene
[3:31:55] a
[3:31:55] meeting.
[3:31:55] there are certain things that
[3:31:56] are important to me about the
[3:31:57] way that these meetings should
[3:31:58] 
[3:31:58] go but also it's important to m
[3:32:02] e
[3:32:02] that I can convene this.
[3:32:04] understand that when I say I'm
[3:32:05] 
[3:32:05] going to convene the meeting t
[3:32:06] he
[3:32:06] meeting that I'm talking about
[3:32:07] 
[3:32:07] is going to be very similar to
[3:32:10] 
[3:32:10] what we did over at cone park a
[3:32:12] 
[3:32:12] couple of weeks ago and it will
[3:32:13] 
[3:32:13] be a robust experience, not jus
[3:32:16] t
[3:32:16] where you're being provided
[3:32:18] information, but where you wil
[3:32:20] l
[3:32:20] have the opportunity to speak
[3:32:21] because that's the whole point
[3:32:23] .
[3:32:23] so I'm sorry I was going to ask
[3:32:26] 
[3:32:26] you to add something to that a
[3:32:28] nd
[3:32:28] I don't think I need to in lig
[3:32:29] ht
[3:32:29] of that.
[3:32:29] >> all right.
[3:32:30] >> mayor: all right.
[3:32:31] you good, commissioner
[3:32:32] duncan-walker?
[3:32:32] >> I think so.
[3:32:33] >> mayor: all right.
[3:32:34] commissioner willits.
[3:32:37] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:32:37] can staff just read from our
[3:32:39] comp plan why it is that we're
[3:32:40] 
[3:32:40] doing this?
[3:32:43] can it be read just so it's
[3:32:44] clear?
[3:32:44] I can't find it searching comp
[3:32:46] 
[3:32:46] plan.
[3:32:46] or comp plan specifically says
[3:32:48] 
[3:32:48] when we resurface, I'm trying t
[3:32:51] o
[3:32:51] remember the type of road, but
[3:32:53] 
[3:32:53] there's a specific type of roa
[3:32:54] d
[3:32:54] that when we go to resurface I
[3:32:56] t,
[3:32:56] we must begin this process of
[3:32:59] considering, correct?
[3:33:02] bike lanes, safety improvement
[3:33:03] 
[3:33:03] whether that's I think it's the
[3:33:08] 
[3:33:08] whole that's why it's here
[3:33:10] because if we weren't
[3:33:11] resurfacing this would never
[3:33:12] come up, right?
[3:33:15] so--
[3:33:15] >> chase -- city engineer.
[3:33:18] I apologize I don't have the
[3:33:19] specific comp plan right here.
[3:33:20] 
[3:33:20] I do have the engineering desig
[3:33:22] n
[3:33:22] and construction manual.
[3:33:25] >> forget -- I typically say
[3:33:26] comp plan because comp plan
[3:33:27] references a, does it not
[3:33:29] reference the design and
[3:33:31] construction manual, the edm?
[3:33:35] roughly that's how I
[3:33:36] understand -- I said comp plan
[3:33:37] 
[3:33:37] so it references.
[3:33:38] somewhere there is written
[3:33:39] policy that says when we go
[3:33:41] forward before we go spending a
[3:33:44] 
[3:33:44] bunch of money on paving let's
[3:33:45] 
[3:33:45] look and see if the thing we
[3:33:47] missed 20 years ago needs to be
[3:33:48] 
[3:33:48] done today.
[3:33:51] >> yes, in general so
[3:33:53] transportation element
[3:33:55] underneath the comprehensive
[3:33:55] plan, and then the bicycle
[3:33:57] facilities underneath our edcm
[3:33:59] 
[3:33:59] references pretty close to the
[3:34:01] 
[3:34:01] same language but it's bicycle
[3:34:03] 
[3:34:03] facilities shall be provided o
[3:34:04] n
[3:34:04] resurfacing projects if
[3:34:05] sufficient right-of-way and/or
[3:34:07] 
[3:34:07] pavement with    width exists a
[3:34:10] nd
[3:34:10] on all new roadways and then I
[3:34:12] t
[3:34:12] references nacto or bike way
[3:34:16] standards, et cetera,
[3:34:17] et cetera.
[3:34:18] and it goes into a little bit
[3:34:20] more detail from there.
[3:34:22] >> thank you.
[3:34:22] I wanted to clarify that's why
[3:34:23] 
[3:34:23] we're here.
[3:34:24] I agree there is way more
[3:34:25] conversation.
[3:34:25] I'm still a little confused by
[3:34:26] 
[3:34:26] the motion often because it's
[3:34:29] sometimes we're doing contracts,
[3:34:30] 
[3:34:30] sometimes we're doing, whateve
[3:34:33] r,
[3:34:33] 90% plans.
[3:34:34] what does proceed with the
[3:34:35] design and permitting of
[3:34:36] northeast 8th avenue
[3:34:37] resurfacing project from waldo
[3:34:39] 
[3:34:39] to the western property line o
[3:34:41] f
[3:34:41] loftin high school with the
[3:34:42] scope as recommended mean?
[3:34:44] >> mayor: we're not doing it
[3:34:46] anyway.
[3:34:46] it's not a motion --
[3:34:49] >> okay, because I want to know
[3:34:50] 
[3:34:50] the original motion.
[3:34:51] that's right.
[3:34:53] >> only one motion.
[3:34:54] >> you're right.
[3:34:55] forgive me.
[3:34:57] and so the last thing I will s
[3:34:58] ay
[3:34:58] is like, just in the future lik
[3:35:01] e
[3:35:01] I said the easy cheap option I
[3:35:04] s
[3:35:04] literally a line of parking
[3:35:05] either on the north or the sou
[3:35:06] th
[3:35:06] side of 8th from waldo out
[3:35:09] however far.
[3:35:10] which does allow churches to d
[3:35:13] o
[3:35:13] what they need to do with more
[3:35:14] 
[3:35:14] flexible street and would allow
[3:35:15] 
[3:35:15] potential businesses.
[3:35:17] I always envision that corner
[3:35:18] anywhere between 15, 17th,
[3:35:20] 18th as being an idea of our
[3:35:22] grant program was it's mixed u
[3:35:24] se
[3:35:24] sort of commercial maybe theywa
[3:35:27] nt, maybe they could use
[3:35:28] on-street parking on side
[3:35:30] streets so they can actually
[3:35:31] have commercial activity becau
[3:35:33] se
[3:35:33] you need a couple parks spaces.
[3:35:35] 
[3:35:35] so the quick and easy cheap is
[3:35:36] 
[3:35:36] resurface, repaint your normal
[3:35:37] 
[3:35:37] lines, put in a row of parking
[3:35:39] ,
[3:35:39] that gets you now lanes that a
[3:35:41] re
[3:35:41] somewhere less than 17 feet
[3:35:44] wide.
[3:35:44] but I want to make sure I'm
[3:35:47] adamant that the reason why
[3:35:48] people speed there is not
[3:35:50] because of magic cut through.
[3:35:51] it's because it is a 17-foot
[3:35:54] wide lane cut through because
[3:35:56] 8th on the other side is just
[3:35:58] as much of a cut through, but
[3:35:59] those lanes are much narrower
[3:36:00] with a median, you know curves
[3:36:03] 
[3:36:03] that were done however many
[3:36:04] years ago.
[3:36:07] I just, the people, the east
[3:36:08] side deserves frankly they
[3:36:11] deserve 32 miles an hour avera
[3:36:13] ge
[3:36:13] or not average but 85th
[3:36:14] percentile instead of 38.
[3:36:16] I think they deserve the same
[3:36:18] speeds running through their
[3:36:19] neighborhood because it is a
[3:36:20] neighborhood.
[3:36:20] it's a mixed use, you know, old
[3:36:23] 
[3:36:23] kind of older school tradition
[3:36:25] al
[3:36:25] neighborhood format, and it doe
[3:36:26] s
[3:36:26] not deserve 38 miles an hour a
[3:36:29] t
[3:36:29] the 85th percentile.
[3:36:30] I want to   to figure out how w
[3:36:33] e
[3:36:33] can get it down to 32.
[3:36:35] thank you.
[3:36:35] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:36:36] commissioner willits.
[3:36:37] thank    .
[3:36:38] commissioner chestnut.
[3:36:40] >> commissioner willits, I think
[3:36:41] 
[3:36:41] the key word you keep saying
[3:36:43] regarding the comp plan is
[3:36:44] consideration.
[3:36:44] consideration.  Not
[3:36:49] not a mandate to do anything.  It
[3:36:50] it's just to consider it.
[3:36:53] and that is the key word.
[3:36:54] thank you.
[3:36:56] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:36:56] commissioner.
[3:36:56] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:37:02] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:37:04] what I wanted to say has alrea
[3:37:05] dy
[3:37:05] been said.
[3:37:05] hopefully this motion will
[3:37:06] carry, and hopefully we are
[3:37:07] sending the message to the
[3:37:09] people that we won't miss these
[3:37:11] 
[3:37:11] critical steps to pull them in
[3:37:12] to
[3:37:12] the process in a meaningful way
[3:37:14] 
[3:37:14] on something that is so critical
[3:37:15] 
[3:37:15] in the future.
[3:37:17] thank you.
[3:37:17] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:37:18] commissioner dunk
[3:37:20] duncan-walker.
[3:37:20] mr. Manager.
[3:37:21] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:37:22] I do have the comp plan policie
[3:37:24] s
[3:37:24] if you all want to hear them.
[3:37:28] so is that a yes or --
[3:37:29] [laughter]
[3:37:29] I'm getting mixed like faces.  Al
[3:37:35] all right.
[3:37:35] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:37:37] commissioner chestnut?
[3:37:37] >> yeah, again, I just want to
[3:37:39] 
[3:37:39] be sure that the key word in the
[3:37:41] 
[3:37:41] comp plan is consider.
[3:37:46] >> it is not.
[3:37:47] >> it is not?
[3:37:48] what is it then?
[3:37:49] >> yeah, there's three policies
[3:37:52] 
[3:37:52] in your transportation element
[3:37:55] .
[3:37:55] the first is policy 3.1.5 which
[3:38:00] 
[3:38:00] says essentially street
[3:38:02] modifications including
[3:38:05] restriping or resurfacing shall
[3:38:06] 
[3:38:06] not increase the difficulty of
[3:38:08] 
[3:38:08] bike transit or pedestrian
[3:38:10] travel such changes shall
[3:38:12] include safety features for
[3:38:13] bicycle, transit and pedestrians
[3:38:15] 
[3:38:15] to offset any negative impact
[3:38:17] and modification might otherwise
[3:38:20] 
[3:38:20] create then policy 4.1.7 says
[3:38:22] new cluks, reconstruction,
[3:38:24] and -- construction,
[3:38:25] reconstruction, and resurfacing
[3:38:26] 
[3:38:26] of arterials and collectors
[3:38:27] shall be designed using complet
[3:38:29] e
[3:38:29] streets and context sensitive
[3:38:30] street design principles.
[3:38:33] and then policy 6.1.4 says the
[3:38:35] 
[3:38:35] city shall use street
[3:38:37] resurfacing projects as an
[3:38:39] opportunity to install or
[3:38:40] enhance sidewalks, bike lanes,
[3:38:43] 
[3:38:43] raised medians, brick or brick
[3:38:45] 
[3:38:45] and printed paver or painted
[3:38:46] croswalks where feasible if not
[3:38:48] 
[3:38:48] a city project the city shall
[3:38:50] recommend to the state or county
[3:38:53] 
[3:38:53] make such enhancements.
[3:38:55] >> mayor: all right.
[3:38:55] thank you, mr. Manager.
[3:38:58] commissioner book.
[3:39:01] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:39:02] coincidentally when we did the
[3:39:03] 
[3:39:03] comp plan and we needed to get
[3:39:04] 
[3:39:04] out information, we had a
[3:39:05] flier.
[3:39:05] we had a qr code.
[3:39:07] we had a couple of forums that
[3:39:09] 
[3:39:09] were hosted by two of the
[3:39:10] commissioners on the dais here.
[3:39:12] 
[3:39:12] and we got tremendous amounts o
[3:39:14] f
[3:39:14] feedback so it's easy to do and
[3:39:16] 
[3:39:16] in this northeast 8th avenue
[3:39:18] corridor no matter what segment,
[3:39:19] 
[3:39:19] you're talking about, eight
[3:39:21] churches, was we said, I learn
[3:39:23] ed
[3:39:23] it was even more than I thought
[3:39:24] ,
[3:39:24] but you got the school board.
[3:39:26] we asked them to come for us f
[3:39:28] or
[3:39:28] listen we sent out information
[3:39:29] 
[3:39:29] to the school board and say it'
[3:39:30] s
[3:39:30] going to impact them, you got a
[3:39:32] 
[3:39:32] number of residents on that
[3:39:34] thing.
[3:39:34] you have a number of
[3:39:35] businesses.
[3:39:35] you have the high aff right
[3:39:37] there.
[3:39:37] so there is plenty of
[3:39:40] opportunity for people to come
[3:39:41] 
[3:39:41] to any forum hosted by anyone
[3:39:43] here through the city manager's
[3:39:46] 
[3:39:46] office and when we -- and we a
[3:39:48] 
[3:39:48] large multifamily housing
[3:39:50] complex right there in northea
[3:39:51] st
[3:39:51] 8th avenue and 17th street.
[3:39:53] so I think we're going to get
[3:39:54] plenty of feedback, and we'll
[3:39:55] all be better for it.
[3:39:57] whatever comes, if   out, if it
[3:40:00] 's
[3:40:00] merely resurfacing down the
[3:40:01] road, that's fine, or if it's
[3:40:03] resurfacing plus enhancements,
[3:40:05] 
[3:40:05] well we'll know that we have
[3:40:06] community backing to do it.
[3:40:07] so thank you.
[3:40:09] I appreciate the fact that
[3:40:09] you're going to host a forum,
[3:40:11] and if it comes time to go and
[3:40:13] 
[3:40:13] maybe walk or distribute some
[3:40:15] information, I'd be happy to
[3:40:16] assist in a public way.
[3:40:18] thank you.
[3:40:19] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:40:19] commissioner book.
[3:40:20] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:40:22] >> thank you, mr. Book.
[3:40:22] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:40:23] I did want to just mention tha
[3:40:25] t
[3:40:25] as a part of this discussion,
[3:40:27] the comp plan will be
[3:40:29] discussed.
[3:40:29] because we're still within the
[3:40:31] 
[3:40:31] time frame where any necessary
[3:40:33] 
[3:40:33] tweaks can be made.
[3:40:35] thank you.
[3:40:36] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:40:36] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:40:38] so the short answer to the thi
[3:40:40] ng
[3:40:40] that I heard several people ask
[3:40:42] 
[3:40:42] as to why now is because we're
[3:40:46] 
[3:40:46] at a point where we need to
[3:40:48] spend money on that road.
[3:40:49] on that stretch of road.
[3:40:50] so if we're going to spend it
[3:40:51] money, let's have a conversatio
[3:40:53] n
[3:40:53] about exactly what it ought to
[3:40:54] 
[3:40:54] be.
[3:40:54] a place we need to get to as a
[3:41:00] 
[3:41:00] city is when we say, hey, what
[3:41:03] 
[3:41:03] should we do, is not have folks
[3:41:07] 
[3:41:07] understand -- it's a catch-22.
[3:41:10] 
[3:41:10] if folks understand it as we
[3:41:12] need to do a thing, here's wha
[3:41:14] t
[3:41:14] we're going to do out front,
[3:41:16] then of course people push back
[3:41:18] 
[3:41:18] on that.
[3:41:19] but usually what it is is when
[3:41:22] 
[3:41:22] we put something out, is here'
[3:41:23] s
[3:41:23] a discussion item.
[3:41:25] here's something to get a
[3:41:26] conversation started.
[3:41:27] because if we just have a, a
[3:41:30] meeting and say what should we
[3:41:31] 
[3:41:31] do, there will be every from
[3:41:34] well, we ought to put an
[3:41:37] interstate there to we shouldn
[3:41:41] 't
[3:41:41] do anything.
[3:41:41] so the idea is you got to put
[3:41:43] something on the table to have
[3:41:44] a
[3:41:44] discussion about.
[3:41:44] if you don't, experience in thi
[3:41:47] s
[3:41:47] building has taught me you don
[3:41:49] 't
[3:41:49] get anywhere at all and then y
[3:41:50] ou
[3:41:50] get ten years down the road and
[3:41:52] 
[3:41:52] somebody says how come you nev
[3:41:53] er
[3:41:53] spent any money on this.
[3:41:55] we can't be there either.
[3:41:57] so when we get to this point,
[3:41:59] this is the opportunity to
[3:42:03] figure out what it is that oug
[3:42:04] ht
[3:42:04] to be done, and that vote is n
[3:42:07] ot
[3:42:07] today.
[3:42:07] it never was supposed to be par
[3:42:10] t
[3:42:10] of today.
[3:42:11] we need to have more opportunity
[3:42:13] 
[3:42:13] for everybody to weigh in that
[3:42:15] 
[3:42:15] uses the road or that lives on
[3:42:17] 
[3:42:17] the road for what it ought to
[3:42:19] be.
[3:42:19] that's where we are.
[3:42:21] and that's why now.
[3:42:23] that's the answer to why now.
[3:42:26] yeah, and I know we're a coupl
[3:42:29] e
[3:42:29] folks are going with it.
[3:42:30] it's always election year.
[3:42:32] it's always election year so I
[3:42:34] t
[3:42:34] ain't that.
[3:42:37] this is the opportunity to
[3:42:38] figure out what's, what we do
[3:42:40] because we're going to spend
[3:42:42] some money.
[3:42:42] we're fought going to come back
[3:42:43] d spend the money again
[3:42:44] later.
[3:42:44] we need to figure out what the
[3:42:47] 
[3:42:47] right way to do it now is.
[3:42:48] that's why now.
[3:42:50] all right.
[3:42:50] so we have a motion on the
[3:42:51] table, all in favor, please say
[3:42:53] 
[3:42:53] aye.
[3:42:53] any opposed?
[3:42:55] all right that passes
[3:42:56] unanimously.
[3:42:56] madam clerk.
[3:42:59] >> mr. Mayor, pause just a
[3:43:02] moment.
[3:43:02] we have 2026-171, appointments
[3:43:13] 
[3:43:13] to the city plan board and the
[3:43:14] 
[3:43:14] gainesville human rights board
[3:43:15] 
[3:43:15] with recommendation the city
[3:43:17] commission review and discuss
[3:43:18] the applications received for
[3:43:20] the appointments to the city
[3:43:21] plan board and gainesville hum
[3:43:23] an
[3:43:23] rights board and take action
[3:43:24] deemed necessary.
[3:43:28] and mr. Mayor I did want to let
[3:43:30] 
[3:43:30] you know one of the application
[3:43:35] s
[3:43:35] for the city plan board has bee
[3:43:36] n
[3:43:36] updated and printed and you wil
[3:43:37] l
[3:43:37] find it in the file folders in
[3:43:39] 
[3:43:39] front of you.
[3:43:40] essentially there was a questio
[3:43:41] n
[3:43:41] about a financial disclosure,
[3:43:43] and that answer was changed fro
[3:43:45] m
[3:43:45] no to yes.
[3:43:48] >> mayor: very good, thank you
[3:43:49] ,
[3:43:49] and before we move any farther
[3:43:50] 
[3:43:50] forward I want to remind
[3:43:52] everyone here for the land use
[3:43:52] 
[3:43:52] and zoning items that we've
[3:43:54] pushed those forward to the end
[3:43:55] 
[3:43:55] of the meeting.
[3:43:57] so we're not going to do that
[3:43:59] before dinner.
[3:44:01] okay.
[3:44:01] all right.
[3:44:10] so we have two folks here for
[3:44:11] the city plan board
[3:44:12] appointment.
[3:44:12] would y'all like to speak?
[3:44:14] all right.
[3:44:14] so I'm going to ask -- to go
[3:44:16] first because we'll do the
[3:44:18] alphabetically.
[3:44:18] welcome.
[3:44:18] >> thank you.
[3:44:25] and thank you, mr. Mayor and
[3:44:27] commissioners.
[3:44:27] my name is jayne moras ki.
[3:44:38] prior to my time in gainesville
[3:44:39] 
[3:44:39] I complete admasters in urban
[3:44:40] and regional planning where I
[3:44:42] did comp plan review for iowa
[3:44:44] city another university town.
[3:44:45] dollar I was a commercial --
[3:44:47] there was a commercial real
[3:44:48] estate appraiser, actually the
[3:44:49] 
[3:44:49] only commercial real estate
[3:44:50] appraiser that was a woman in
[3:44:52] the state of iowa for men a
[3:44:52] years.
[3:44:52] >> mayor: in the whole state?
[3:44:54] >> in the whole state, yeah.
[3:44:55] at the time.
[3:44:56] it's changed since then.
[3:44:58] but my specialty was low-income
[3:45:00] 
[3:45:00] housing tax credits.
[3:45:02] since then moving here, I know
[3:45:04] 
[3:45:04] many of you in my work as the
[3:45:07] director of the homeless shelt
[3:45:08] er
[3:45:08] called family promise of
[3:45:10] gainesville.
[3:45:10] I've worked in nonprofits for
[3:45:16] the last two decades here.
[3:45:17] my specialty was housing and n
[3:45:20] ow
[3:45:20] it's education as well.
[3:45:21] it took a -- gainesville is my
[3:45:25] 
[3:45:25] home.
[3:45:25] my children grew up here.
[3:45:26] went to gainesville high
[3:45:29] school.
[3:45:29] went to glen springs
[3:45:30] elementary.
[3:45:30] and I want to be part of the
[3:45:35] planning board because one, a
[3:45:36] friend asked me to do this
[3:45:37] because they knew of my
[3:45:38] experience in it, but because
[3:45:40] this is my home.
[3:45:41] it will continue to be my home
[3:45:45] 
[3:45:45] and it's where my family has
[3:45:48] chosen to be.
[3:45:49] I'm happy to answer any
[3:45:49] questions you have about my
[3:45:50] background or experience.
[3:45:52] and I believe that the sum tot
[3:45:55] al
[3:45:55] of that experience would make m
[3:45:58] e
[3:45:58] a good part of the planning
[3:45:59] board.
[3:45:59] thank you.
[3:46:00] >> mayor: very good.
[3:46:00] thank you.
[3:46:03] mr. Willis.
[3:46:11] >> good afternoon, it's a
[3:46:11] pleasure to be here today.
[3:46:13] little bit about me is I'm
[3:46:15] currently civil engineering
[3:46:17] student at university of
[3:46:18] florida.
[3:46:18] I'm a senior.
[3:46:20] I currently have a year left,
[3:46:22] and I really discovered a
[3:46:24] passion for sustainable
[3:46:25] development which is why I
[3:46:26] applied to be on the city
[3:46:27] planning board after the lovel
[3:46:30] y
[3:46:30] city clerk came to our class a
[3:46:32] nd
[3:46:32] made me aware that it was an
[3:46:33] opportunity.
[3:46:33] and which I believe mayor ward
[3:46:36] 
[3:46:36] you will be speaking at in a
[3:46:37] couple weeks.
[3:46:38] so I'm excited for that.
[3:46:40] but yes, I want to serve my
[3:46:43] community.
[3:46:43] I've only been in gainesville
[3:46:44] since august, but I really gro
[3:46:48] wn
[3:46:48] to love it.
[3:46:48] been a lifelong gator fan so I
[3:46:50] 
[3:46:50] hope to stay here for a long
[3:46:51] period of time, and I hope wit
[3:46:54] h
[3:46:54] this opportunity I can initiat
[3:46:57] e
[3:46:57] some resilience and
[3:46:58] sustainable -- sustainability I
[3:47:01] n
[3:47:01] this community, and serve as a
[3:47:03] 
[3:47:03] lifelong commitment to the
[3:47:05] people.
[3:47:05] and as we've seen today, it is
[3:47:08] 
[3:47:08] important to listen to the
[3:47:09] people, so I hope to bring tha
[3:47:11] t
[3:47:11] along too.
[3:47:11] thank you.
[3:47:12] >> mayor: very good.
[3:47:13] thank you.
[3:47:14] all right.
[3:47:16] commissioner willits.
[3:47:17] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:47:18] a quick question.
[3:47:19] so for, for the clerk first.
[3:47:22] for ms. Moraski application I
[3:47:25] don't see the, the address has
[3:47:27] 
[3:47:27] been blacked out.
[3:47:28] I know there are lots of
[3:47:29] potential reasons why, but I
[3:47:30] just want to really confirm tha
[3:47:32] t
[3:47:32] ms. Moraski lives inside the
[3:47:35] incorporated gainesville city
[3:47:37] limits.
[3:47:37] >> yes.
[3:47:37] I have the map if you would like
[3:47:38] 
[3:47:38] to see.
[3:47:40] >> I'm a map person.
[3:47:41] you already knew where I was
[3:47:42] going.
[3:47:42] thank you.
[3:47:43] and then so then just outside
[3:47:45] this I would make a pitch if n
[3:47:47] ot
[3:47:47] in this vote but into the futur
[3:47:49] e
[3:47:49] for all of our boards but
[3:47:50] particularly even this one
[3:47:51] board, we are a community of 6
[3:47:53] 0%
[3:47:53] renters.
[3:47:53] I don't know that we have any
[3:47:55] renters on the city plan board
[3:47:56] 
[3:47:56] right now.
[3:47:58] I would have to double check.
[3:48:02] but mr. Willis lives in my
[3:48:03] district and I'm a little
[3:48:05] partial to my district because
[3:48:06] 
[3:48:06] my district is 90% multifamily
[3:48:07] ,
[3:48:07] and we're, and in a city that'
[3:48:11] s
[3:48:11] 60% renters, renters and
[3:48:12] multifamily are part of whatwe
[3:48:14] 
[3:48:14] have to plan for, what we were
[3:48:15] 
[3:48:15] gifted from the county in the
[3:48:16] case of southwest gainesville,
[3:48:17] 
[3:48:17] moving forward so I actually
[3:48:18] want to make a pitch that we
[3:48:20] need more diversity on some of
[3:48:21] 
[3:48:21] our boards, and that includes
[3:48:23] income, age, where you live in
[3:48:25] 
[3:48:25] this city, and whether you are
[3:48:27] 
[3:48:27] an incumbent property owner, you
[3:48:31] 
[3:48:31] know or you're a renter so I
[3:48:32] just want to make that pitch
[3:48:35] because, because we have a
[3:48:37] community that is 60% renters
[3:48:39] and when all of our policymaker
[3:48:41] s
[3:48:41] are homeowners and when everyon
[3:48:42] e
[3:48:42] on our boards are homeowners, o
[3:48:44] r
[3:48:44] live in a, a family -- a home
[3:48:47] owned by their family, where y
[3:48:49] ou
[3:48:49] don't pay rent, because that's
[3:48:50] 
[3:48:50] how homeownership is typically
[3:48:52] 
[3:48:52] measured, if you're not paying
[3:48:54] 
[3:48:54] rent, you live in a owned home,
[3:48:56] 
[3:48:56] a family owned home of some
[3:48:58] sort.
[3:48:58] anies with just want to make
[3:49:00] that pitch out there.
[3:49:01] but also understand that
[3:49:02] ms. Moraski is pretty well
[3:49:05] qualified both with the
[3:49:06] knowledge of our community but
[3:49:07] 
[3:49:07] also the basics of urban
[3:49:09] planning.
[3:49:09] though I will say some people
[3:49:10] think that we have plenty of
[3:49:13] urban planner in the city.
[3:49:14] they're called staff.
[3:49:15] they're everywhere.
[3:49:17] and they guide us a lot so to
[3:49:20] some degree that plan board is
[3:49:21] 
[3:49:21] still just our neighbors'
[3:49:23] knowledge, not necessarily.
[3:49:25] we can hire, even more city
[3:49:26] planners we could just have a  comm
[3:49:28] commtee of city planners that
[3:49:29] we hire.
[3:49:29] so just putting that out there
[3:49:31] 
[3:49:31] as conversation.
[3:49:32] we've had interesting, deep
[3:49:34] conversations today so I just
[3:49:34] wanted to throw it out there.
[3:49:36] and just to be clear we have a
[3:49:38] n
[3:49:38] urban planner as our interim
[3:49:39] city manager as well, so thank
[3:49:42] 
[3:49:42] you, madam clerk, for answering
[3:49:44] 
[3:49:44] that question.
[3:49:45] thank you.
[3:49:46] >> mayor: thank you.
[3:49:48] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:49:49] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[3:49:50] I have a question and it's kin
[3:49:51] d
[3:49:51] of to your point, commissioner
[3:49:53] 
[3:49:53] willits in terms of the
[3:49:55] composition but do we currently
[3:49:57] 
[3:49:57] have -- we don't have a student
[3:49:59] 
[3:49:59] seat on this board, do we?
[3:50:02] I don't see one indicated here?
[3:50:03] 
[3:50:03] >> we -- the staff liaison
[3:50:04] hasn't requested for us to fil
[3:50:06] l
[3:50:06] it but I do believe that this
[3:50:07] is
[3:50:07] one of our boards that does ha
[3:50:09] ve
[3:50:09] a student seat.
[3:50:10] we typically don't advertise f
[3:50:12] or
[3:50:12] those until september or octob
[3:50:13] er
[3:50:13] when students are back in
[3:50:16] session because everyone sort o
[3:50:19] f
[3:50:19] gearing now towards finals and
[3:50:21] 
[3:50:21] graduation and all of those
[3:50:22] types of things, so we typically
[3:50:25] 
[3:50:25] don't advertise for student
[3:50:27] seats until usually it's aroun
[3:50:32] d
[3:50:32] the homecoming time frame gives
[3:50:34] 
[3:50:34] them a chance to get their foo
[3:50:35] t
[3:50:35] in the door, for the semester,
[3:50:37] 
[3:50:37] get their head on their
[3:50:39] shoulders about what they want
[3:50:40] 
[3:50:40] to do for professional, you
[3:50:42] know, experience, and we send
[3:50:45] that out to the schools and our
[3:50:48] 
[3:50:48] different contacts to get
[3:50:51] student applications, and as y
[3:50:53] ou
[3:50:53] heard, I do speak to college
[3:50:56] classes, and wave the flag for
[3:51:00] 
[3:51:00] our advisory boards.
[3:51:02] >> that's good.
[3:51:03] that's good.
[3:51:05] because I appreciate
[3:51:07] mr. Brantley coming to us today
[3:51:09] ,
[3:51:09] and he clearly is making all
[3:51:11] sorts of efforts to educate
[3:51:13] himself in this way, and what
[3:51:15] I
[3:51:15] would say based on how I'm
[3:51:17] probably going to vote today, I
[3:51:19] s
[3:51:19] mr. Willis, I hope you will com
[3:51:20] e
[3:51:20] back around the time that we
[3:51:22] open that application for the
[3:51:23] student seat because what when
[3:51:27] I
[3:51:27] take a look at the experience
[3:51:31] that ms. Jayne moraski brings t
[3:51:35] o
[3:51:35] the board, I have to lean in
[3:51:35] that direction.
[3:51:36] and you'll get there.
[3:51:38] you will get there.
[3:51:40] >> [off mic]
[3:51:41] [laughter]
[3:51:41] good.
[3:51:41] good.
[3:51:41] good.
[3:51:41] good.
[3:51:41] good.
[3:51:41] and I mean, for me, it is the
[3:51:51] diverse wealth of experience
[3:51:52] that she brings to this.
[3:51:54] and how that can just make tha
[3:51:59] t
[3:51:59] board so much more robust.
[3:52:00] commissioner willits, I am
[3:52:01] certainly willing to entertain
[3:52:02] a
[3:52:02] conversation about the ways tha
[3:52:04] t
[3:52:04] we can continue to diversify t
[3:52:06] he
[3:52:06] board.
[3:52:06] but I certainly, mr. Willis,
[3:52:10] please come back in september or
[3:52:11] 
[3:52:11] whenever it is that that we
[3:52:13] advertise this again because I
[3:52:14] 
[3:52:14] certainly appreciate your
[3:52:16] application as well.
[3:52:18] >> mayor: thank you,
[3:52:18] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:52:19] so madam clerk, I have a concern
[3:52:21] 
[3:52:21] that if we're waiting until
[3:52:24] october or sod to aert    adverti
[3:52:28] se
[3:52:28] for a student position, that
[3:52:29] means they don't really start
[3:52:30] until january, and we may end u
[3:52:34] p
[3:52:34] putting somebody on the board
[3:52:36] that's only here for one
[3:52:37] semester.
[3:52:37] >> mr. Mayor, it's a point wel
[3:52:39] l
[3:52:39] taken.
[3:52:39] most of the student seats we d
[3:52:41] o
[3:52:41] with you all in camera in your
[3:52:43] 
[3:52:43] chambers, and so we get them o
[3:52:49] n
[3:52:49] the appointment and on the
[3:52:50] consent agenda much more
[3:52:51] quickly.
[3:52:51] we usually have them on there
[3:52:55] with by the end of october ear
[3:52:58] ly
[3:52:58] november.
[3:52:58] it does eat into -- it's just
[3:53:01] our experience when we've done
[3:53:03] 
[3:53:03] applications for students we
[3:53:06] don't get the pool that you all
[3:53:07] 
[3:53:07] want to see.
[3:53:09] >> mayor: okay.
[3:53:09] all right.
[3:53:10] thank you.
[3:53:11] commissioner ingle.
[3:53:13] >> make a motion to appoint
[3:53:15] jayne moraski to the city plan
[3:53:18] 
[3:53:18] board -- [off mic]
[3:53:25] >> sentiments that we   you jus
[3:53:29] t
[3:53:29] stay involved.
[3:53:29] more opportunities for you.
[3:53:31] >> second.
[3:53:33] >> mayor: all right we have a
[3:53:34] second.
[3:53:34] we did not sahave the       giv
[3:53:37] e the
[3:53:37] other folks an opportunity.
[3:53:38] >> oh, whoops, sorry.
[3:53:40] >> mayor: that's okay.
[3:53:40] I can do that before we vote.
[3:53:41] >> neither of those folks
[3:53:43] indicate -- they let us know
[3:53:45] they weren't going to be able t
[3:53:46] o
[3:53:46] attend.
[3:53:46] >> mayor: all right, well that
[3:53:47] 
[3:53:47] makes it easier, doesn't it.
[3:53:48] all right.
[3:53:49] commissioner eastman, did you
[3:53:49] have anything else?
[3:53:50] >> I was going do do exactly
[3:53:51] what commissioner ingle did.
[3:53:57] >> there is no public comment.
[3:53:58] 
[3:53:58] >> mayor: all in favor, I rirya
[3:53:59] n
[3:54:00] aye.
[3:54:00] any opposed?
[3:54:02] congratulations ms. Moraski.
[3:54:05] thank you for being willing.
[3:54:06] and mr. Willis, please do stay
[3:54:08] 
[3:54:08] involved.
[3:54:08] there are many other boards out
[3:54:09] 
[3:54:09] there.
[3:54:09] okay, madam clerk.
[3:54:11] >> mr. Mayor, 2026-203,
[3:54:13] application to the audit
[3:54:14] committee with recommendation
[3:54:15] the city commission review the
[3:54:17] 
[3:54:17] application received for
[3:54:18] appointment to the audit
[3:54:19] committee and take action deeme
[3:54:21] d
[3:54:21] necessary.
[3:54:21] we did have only one applicant
[3:54:24] ,
[3:54:24] who is here with us today, and
[3:54:27] 
[3:54:27] he did also attend the audit
[3:54:30] committee meeting.
[3:54:31] >> mayor: all right, would you
[3:54:33] 
[3:54:33] like to speak?
[3:54:35] >> just want to say happy frida
[3:54:43] y
[3:54:43] eve.
[3:54:43] I used to travel a lot when I
[3:54:45] was down in the rider systems
[3:54:46] always rider trucks always
[3:54:48] traveled sunday night hated
[3:54:49] being away from my family so I
[3:54:51] 
[3:54:51] always counted down to fried s
[3:54:52] o
[3:54:52] I do want to -- friday.
[3:54:53] so I do want to appreciate you
[3:54:54] 
[3:54:54] all as far as inviting me here
[3:54:55] 
[3:54:55] today.
[3:54:55] just give you a background of
[3:54:57] myself.
[3:54:57] my name is mark modus.
[3:54:59] I have my cpa license I have a
[3:55:01] 
[3:55:01] masters in taxation I'm a
[3:55:02] professor over at santa fe
[3:55:05] college teach as far as --
[3:55:08] courses over there and also
[3:55:09] created and put together the
[3:55:11] advanced government accounting
[3:55:12] 
[3:55:12] course.
[3:55:12] prior to coming up here, I was
[3:55:14] 
[3:55:14] the head of a accounting -- for
[3:55:18] 
[3:55:18] broward county school board, s
[3:55:19] o
[3:55:19] we were the sixth largest schoo
[3:55:21] l
[3:55:21] system in the nation, and prior
[3:55:23] 
[3:55:23] to that I was over at rider
[3:55:28] systems.
[3:55:28] my wife asked me why are you
[3:55:29] interested in doing this?
[3:55:31] because as far as you know
[3:55:32] volunteering, and I would say
[3:55:34] well two things.
[3:55:35] I said as far as being head ove
[3:55:37] r
[3:55:37] broward county for financial
[3:55:39] reporting, was I was conductin
[3:55:43] g
[3:55:43] meetings with the audit
[3:55:43] committee.
[3:55:43] conducting meetings with the
[3:55:46] board.
[3:55:46] every month and with rider
[3:55:50] systems it was pretty much the
[3:55:51] 
[3:55:51] same thing.
[3:55:52] you know what?
[3:55:53] this gives me the opportunity t
[3:55:54] o
[3:55:54] see how it's done on the other
[3:55:55] 
[3:55:56] on the other side.
[3:55:57] on the flip being professor ove
[3:55:59] r
[3:55:59] santa fe college, I'm also on
[3:56:03] the community connect and
[3:56:04] community connect board what
[3:56:04] we're doing is reaching inside
[3:56:07] 
[3:56:07] alachua county, outside the
[3:56:08] county as well, and looking for,
[3:56:10] 
[3:56:10] to get that connection,
[3:56:13] opportunities for business,
[3:56:13] opportunities for governments.
[3:56:15] 
[3:56:15] not only for to extend santa f
[3:56:18] e
[3:56:18] college out more, but also to
[3:56:20] help our students as far as we
[3:56:21] 
[3:56:21] got a lot of different
[3:56:23] apprenticeships that are going
[3:56:24] 
[3:56:24] on, and I figured you know
[3:56:26] what?
[3:56:26] what's a better way to learn
[3:56:28] about such a good size city as
[3:56:30] 
[3:56:30] gainesville, what the
[3:56:31] opportunities are there, and
[3:56:35] just -- as you can tell, as I
[3:56:37] tell my students and my class, I
[3:56:39] 
[3:56:39] talk and never shut up, so the
[3:56:40] re
[3:56:40] we go.
[3:56:41] appreciate the time.
[3:56:42] >> mayor: all right, thank you.
[3:56:44] 
[3:56:44] commissioner book?
[3:56:47] >> this is so easy.
[3:56:49] mr. Mayor, so professor modus
[3:56:51] has the knowledge, the skills,
[3:56:52] 
[3:56:52] the abilities, he's a current
[3:56:54] educator so he is going to be u
[3:56:56] p
[3:56:56] on trends related to auditing
[3:56:59] in
[3:56:59] the field so under 2026-203 I
[3:57:01] recommend approval of professor
[3:57:02] 
[3:57:02] mark modus to the audit
[3:57:03] committee.
[3:57:03] >> second.
[3:57:07] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[3:57:08] a
[3:57:08] second.
[3:57:08] commissioner duncan-walker.
[3:57:10] >> I was going to simply
[3:57:13] support.
[3:57:13] that's it.
[3:57:15] >> mayor: all right.
[3:57:15] commissioner eastman?
[3:57:21] >> I called around to some
[3:57:21] friends in the city of newberr
[3:57:23] y
[3:57:23] who -- mr. Modus here has a
[3:57:25] great reputation.
[3:57:25] you're very involved within you
[3:57:27] r
[3:57:27] community from what I've heard
[3:57:30] .
[3:57:30] yob ryan undine been helpful I
[3:57:31] n
[3:57:31] the -- you've been helpful in
[3:57:32] the city of newberry in trying
[3:57:34] 
[3:57:34] to work through the of the
[3:57:35] financials there so I think
[3:57:37] you'll be a great addition to
[3:57:38] our audit committee and this I
[3:57:39] s
[3:57:39] great for your record, we how
[3:57:41] long was our last board member
[3:57:44] 
[3:57:44] there?
[3:57:44] >> several years.
[3:57:45] >> several years.
[3:57:48] I'm looking forward have to
[3:57:51] having you in there, have a
[3:57:52] fresh pair of eyes on
[3:57:54] everything.
[3:57:54] >> appreciate you.
[3:57:56] >> I think he's already attended
[3:57:57] 
[3:57:57] a meeting.
[3:57:57] >> yeah, last week, yes, ma'am.
[3:57:59] 
[3:57:59] >> yes, yes.
[3:57:59] >> yes, ma'am.
[3:58:00] >> mayor: very good.
[3:58:00] all right.
[3:58:01] thank you, commissioner
[3:58:01] eastman.
[3:58:01] seeing no further lights, is
[3:58:03] there any public comment?
[3:58:06] >> there is no public comment.
[3:58:07] 
[3:58:07] >> mayor: all right, all in
[3:58:07] favor, please say aye.
[3:58:09] any opposed?
[3:58:10] all righty, that passes
[3:58:10] unanimously.
[3:58:10] madam clerk.
[3:58:12] >> mr. Mayor, we're onto
[3:58:14] commission comment.
[3:58:15] >> mayor: all right.
[3:58:16] I have multiple commission
[3:58:17] comments, but I'll save those
[3:58:18] for, for the end of the
[3:58:20] meeting.
[3:58:20] anyone else?
[3:58:22] anyone else?
[3:58:22] we will be back here at 5:45 o
[3:58:25] r
[3:58:25] yeah, 5:45.
[3:58:37] 
[0:00] 
[23:49:32] >> mayor: good evening,
[3:07] everyone.
[3:07] welcome to the evening session
[3:08] 
[3:08] for this thursday april 2nd
[3:11] meeting of the gainesville city
[3:13] 
[3:13] commission.
[3:13] we are lucky to have with us a
[3:16] 
[3:16] great group of cub scouts and
[3:18] I'm going to invite you all to
[3:20] 
[3:20] come forward and lead us in the
[3:22] 
[3:22] pledge please.
[3:24] come on up.
[3:25] good marching.
[3:33] so we're going to follow your
[3:39] lead.
[3:39] >> start it off.
[3:41] >> group: I pledge allegiance to
[3:47] 
[3:47] the flag of the united states of
[3:47] 
[3:47] america and to the republic for
[3:49] 
[3:49] which it stands one nation und
[3:49] er
[3:49] god indivisible with liberty a
[3:51] nd
[3:51] justice for all.
[3:55] >> mayor: very, very good.
[3:57] y'all turn around and let's get
[3:59] 
[3:59] some photos.
[4:01] >> you want to take a picture?
[4:03] 
[4:03] >> get in here.
[4:06] [indistinct conversation]
[4:22] >> mayor: between that and the
[4:24] 
[4:24] rocket launch last night, I'm
[4:26] feeling all kinds of patriotic
[4:28] .
[4:28] good work.
[4:29] [applause]
[4:29] madam clerk.
[4:36] >> mr. Mayor, oh, my goodness.
[4:38] 
[4:38] it's a hard act to follow.
[4:39] >> mayor: yes.
[4:43] >> oh, my gosh.
[4:45] [indistinct conversation]
[4:45] >> give them a minute.
[4:52] >> they may need just  a sec.
[4:57] mr. Mayor, we have 2026-251,
[5:07] national public safety
[5:08] telecommunications week.
[5:27] >> mayor: whereas the professio
[5:38] n
[5:38] of public safety
[5:39] telecommunicator in alachua
[5:40] county plays a crucial role in
[5:42] 
[5:42] the protection of life, propert
[5:43] y
[5:43] and delivery of public safety
[5:44] services.
[5:44] and whereas, each day hundreds
[5:47] 
[5:47] of neighbors dial 911 for help
[5:50] 
[5:50] in emergencies and the
[5:51] telecommunicators who answer
[5:53] these calls gather essential
[5:55] information and dispatch the
[5:56] appropriate assistance which c
[5:58] an
[5:58] often make the difference
[5:59] between life and death for
[6:00] persons in need.
[6:01] and whereas, these well trained
[6:04] ,
[6:04] highly dedicated and deeply
[6:05] motivated individuals proudly
[6:07] and selflessly serve the
[6:08] neighbors of gainesville 24
[6:10] hours a day, seven days a week
[6:12] ,
[6:12] and sometimes during extreme
[6:14] situations such as hurricanes,
[6:16] 
[6:16] making them unable to be with
[6:17] their own families or protect
[6:19] their personal homes and
[6:20] property.
[6:20] and whereas, telecommunicators
[6:23] 
[6:23] who are the original first
[6:24] responders are honored to
[6:26] receive recognition by the
[6:27] neighbors and agencies who
[6:28] depend on them and benefit fro
[6:30] m
[6:30] their services.
[6:31] and whereas, the congress of t
[6:33] he
[6:33] united states has proclaimed I
[6:35] n
[6:35] support and recognition to the
[6:37] se
[6:37] employees and their profession
[6:38] 
[6:38] and the city commission wishes
[6:39] 
[6:39] to publicly recognize the local
[6:42] 
[6:42] telecommunicators who serve the
[6:43] 
[6:43] neighbors of gainesville in suc
[6:46] hmanner.
[6:46] now, therefore, I harvey l. Ward
[6:50] 
[6:50] jr. By the authority vested in
[6:51] 
[6:51] me by the city of gainesville d
[6:52] o
[6:52] hereby proclaim april  12 throu
[6:57] gh
[6:57] 18, 2026 as national
[7:00] telecommunicators week and
[7:02] invite our neighbors to
[7:04] recognize our heroes in witness
[7:05] 
[7:05] whereof, I have caused to be
[7:09] affixed the official seal of t
[7:12] he
[7:12] city of gainesville, florida
[7:13] this 31st day of march, 2026.
[7:15] thank you, all.
[7:17] [applause]
[7:17] and I want to tell you, this o
[7:21] ne
[7:21] is special to me.
[7:22] when I was a kid, my dad was a
[7:24] 
[7:24] radio operator/early
[7:28] telecommunicator at gpd.
[7:30] and so I grew up when we had a
[7:34] n
[7:34] emergency, my dad was -- it was
[7:36] 
[7:36] a hurricane or whatever, dad w
[7:37] as
[7:37] at gpd.
[7:38] and so I respect what youall do
[7:44] 
[7:44] very much and what your families
[7:45] 
[7:45] offer as well.
[7:45] >> hello, my name is kristoffer
[7:51] 
[7:51] orwig, I'm at the alachua count
[7:55] y
[7:55] training center.
[7:56] on behalf of my co-workers, I'd
[7:58] 
[7:58] like to thank the chair and
[8:00] citizens of alachua county for
[8:01] 
[8:01] taking the time to recognize
[8:05] telecommunicators safety week
[8:06] 2026.
[8:06] thank you.
[8:07] [applause]
[8:23] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-197,
[8:38] 
[8:38] child abuse prevention month.
[8:42] >> mayor: all right.
[8:42] who is receiving this?
[8:43] there we go.
[8:45] whereas, prevention is possible.
[8:51] 
[8:51] every family and child are
[8:52] filled with tremendous promise.
[8:54] 
[8:54] we all have a collective
[8:56] responsibility to prevent
[8:58] adverse childhood experiences,
[9:00] 
[9:00] foster the potential of every
[9:02] child and promote positive
[9:03] childhood experiences.
[9:04] and whereas, families who
[9:05] receive the support they need
[9:08] before a crisis occurs are
[9:09] better equipped to provide saf
[9:11] e,
[9:11] healthy and nurturing
[9:13] environments leading to children
[9:14] 
[9:14] who are safer, healthier and
[9:16] more hopeful about their
[9:17] futures.
[9:17] whereas childhood trauma
[9:19] including abuse and neglect can
[9:22] 
[9:22] have long-term psychological,
[9:23] emotional and physical effects
[9:26] 
[9:26] throughout an individual's
[9:27] lifetime and impact future
[9:28] generations.
[9:28] and whereas, we acknowledge that
[9:31] 
[9:31] we must work together as a
[9:33] community to increase awareness
[9:35] 
[9:35] about child abuse and contribut
[9:37] e
[9:37] to promoting the social and
[9:38] emotional well-being of children
[9:40] 
[9:40] and families in a safe, stable
[9:43] 
[9:43] and nurturing environment.
[9:45] and whereas, investments in
[9:47] prevention initiatives are
[9:48] essential to building safer and
[9:49] 
[9:49] healthier communities for all.
[9:52] 
[9:52] therefore, I harvey l. Ward jr.
[9:55] 
[9:55] as the mayor of the city of
[9:57] gainesville harborby proclaim
[9:58] april 2026 as child abuse
[10:00] prevention month in the city of
[10:02] 
[10:02] gainesville and invite all our
[10:03] 
[10:03] neighbors to join me in
[10:04] recognizing this month by
[10:05] dedicating ourselves to the tas
[10:07] k
[10:07] of improving the quality of life
[10:08] 
[10:08] for all children and families.
[10:10] 
[10:10] in witness whereof, I have
[10:12] hereunto set my hand and cause
[10:14] d
[10:14] to be affixed the official sea
[10:15] l
[10:15] of the city of gainesville,
[10:17] florida this 11th day of
[10:17] march, 2026.
[10:20] harvey ward jr. Mayor.
[10:21] congratulations.
[10:21] [applause]
[10:21] >> thank you, thank you.
[10:27] on behalf of the alachua count
[10:29] y
[10:29] child abuse prevention task
[10:31] force in partnership for stron
[10:33] g
[10:33] families, I want to thank you s
[10:35] o
[10:35] much for standing with us in
[10:36] recognizing april as child abu
[10:38] se
[10:38] prevention month.
[10:39] child abuse prevention needs t
[10:40] o
[10:40] happen all year long, but we'd
[10:42] 
[10:42] like to set aside this month t
[10:44] o
[10:44] especially recognize it.
[10:45] and with that, I'm going to han
[10:48] d
[10:48] it over to sherry kitchens with
[10:50] 
[10:50] the child advocacy center.
[10:52] >> good afternoon.
[10:54] mayor, thank you so much for
[10:55] this acknowledgment.
[10:57] city commissioners, thank you
[10:58] for all you do for children
[10:59] throughout the year.
[11:00] my name is sherry kitchens,the
[11:03] 
[11:03] director of the child advocacy
[11:04] 
[11:04] center and the chair of the
[11:06] alachua county child abuse
[11:07] prevention task force.
[11:07] you may have noticed if you hav
[11:09] e
[11:09] been by u.f. Health children's
[11:12] 
[11:12] hospital since yesterday, there
[11:13] 
[11:13] is a beautiful display of
[11:15] pinwheels out front.
[11:16] that is due to the support and
[11:19] 
[11:19] effort of the children's trust
[11:21] 
[11:21] of alachua county and 12
[11:23] organizations that make up the
[11:26] abuse prevention task
[11:30] force, got out there yesterday
[11:31] .
[11:31] there were over 50 of us
[11:31] planting those pinwheels, over
[11:34] 
[11:34] 200 pinwheels.
[11:35] you'll also see them throughou
[11:36] t
[11:36] the community.
[11:37] everywhere where prevention is
[11:39] 
[11:39] happening in the community wit
[11:40] h
[11:40] our agencies.
[11:41] so we really appreciate this
[11:43] acknowledgment and your focus
[11:46] and support in taking care of
[11:47] chinch in our community.
[11:49] >> and I'm emily mccauley with
[11:53] 
[11:53] the children's trust of alachua
[11:55] 
[11:55] county.
[11:55] I will echo what has been said
[11:57] 
[11:57] here in that we are proud to
[11:58] fund and support efforts all
[12:00] around our community to make
[12:02] alachua county safer for
[12:03] children and families.
[12:05] the pinwheels are a visual
[12:06] reminder of that role that we
[12:08] all collectively play.
[12:09] I'll give a shout-out to the
[12:11] students at the u.f. Center for
[12:13] 
[12:13] autism and related disabilitie
[12:14] s
[12:14] who helped us assemble about 600
[12:16] 
[12:16] of those pinwheels in our offic
[12:18] e
[12:18] last week.
[12:19] and we have 10 different ctac
[12:21] funded partners who will also b
[12:23] e
[12:23] planting pinwheels and it reall
[12:25] y
[12:25] is a community wide collective
[12:27] 
[12:27] effort because we all play a
[12:29] role, wis providing a
[12:35] sa and supportive
[12:35] out-of-school time provider to
[12:37] 
[12:37] an individual and the children'
[12:39] s
[12:39] trust of alachua county in
[12:40] supporting our children and
[12:41] families absolute the county.
[12:58] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-198,
[13:19] 
[13:19] pray then play day.
[13:27] >> mayor: okay.
[13:28] mr. Sweger, do you have this
[13:30] one?
[13:30] I'm sorry.
[13:33] all right.
[13:34] whereas, individuals and
[13:35] families thrive when think com
[13:36] e
[13:36] together in unity, community a
[13:38] nd
[13:38] harmony to engage in wholesome
[13:41] 
[13:41] fellowship.
[13:41] whereas the strength of a city
[13:43] 
[13:43] lies in how well the residents
[13:45] 
[13:45] collaborate and share positive
[13:46] 
[13:46] interactions, commonalities and
[13:48] 
[13:48] bonds.
[13:48] whereas, pray, then play day I
[13:51] s
[13:51] a significant occasion dedicated
[13:52] 
[13:52] to encouraging godly reflectio
[13:54] n
[13:54] followed by joyful community
[13:56] engagement.
[13:56] whereas, this event promotes
[13:58] peace, togetherness and holistic
[14:00] 
[14:00] well-being through
[14:01] christ-centered prayer and
[14:02] recreational activities to bring
[14:03] 
[14:03] different people of all races,
[14:05] 
[14:05] genders and socioeconomic
[14:08] statuses to one accord.
[14:09] whereas the observance of pray
[14:11] 
[14:11] then play day serves as a
[14:12] purposeful opportunity for
[14:14] individual families to connect
[14:16] 
[14:16] and celebrate their shared
[14:17] values, beliefs and ideologies.
[14:20] 
[14:20] I harvey l. Ward jr. By the
[14:22] authority vested in me as the
[14:25] mayor of city of gainesville,
[14:28] florida as pray then play day
[14:29] and invite all our neighbors t
[14:31] o
[14:31] join me in recognizing this
[14:34] special day.
[14:34] I have where unto set my hand
[14:36] and cause to be affixed this t
[14:40] he
[14:40] official seal of the city of
[14:43] gainesville, florida, the 11th
[14:44] 
[14:44] day of march, 2026.
[14:45] set that aside.
[14:49] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-200.
[14:52] 
[14:52] spring migration season.
[14:54] >> mayor: all right.
[14:55] who's got this one?
[14:56] come on up.
[15:09] whereas each spring, millions o
[15:16] f
[15:16] migratory birds travel thousan
[15:18] ds
[15:18] of miles publish flashes of
[15:20] color and song through
[15:21] gainesville as they journey
[15:23] between wintering and breeding
[15:24] 
[15:24] grounds.
[15:24] whereas gainesville's birding
[15:27] community and parks, forests a
[15:29] nd
[15:29] wetlands make palm point,
[15:32] sweetwater park and l loblolly
[15:35] 
[15:35] among some of the best birding
[15:37] 
[15:37] locations in florida.
[15:38] whereas, an observant may catch
[15:41] 
[15:41] the yellow of a prothontory, t
[15:50] he
[15:50] inindigo bunting or standigger
[15:56] as
[15:56] they because in trees and
[15:58] wetlands.
[15:58] students and nature lovers
[16:00] throughout gainesville celebrate
[16:01] 
[16:01] the fleeting season stepping
[16:04] outdoors to listen for bird
[16:05] association arn watch the tree
[16:07] 
[16:07] tops for passing migrants.
[16:08] whereas, as a city known for
[16:12] welcoming new neighbors around
[16:14] 
[16:14] the world, gainesville also
[16:15] welcomes the arrival of these
[16:16] seasonal migrants who briefly
[16:18] call our parks, wetlands and
[16:19] forests home each spring.
[16:21] therefore, I harvey l. Ward jr.
[16:23] y the authority vested in me a
[16:24] s
[16:24] mayor of the city of gainesville
[16:26] 
[16:26] hereby appoint march 15 through
[16:29] 
[16:29] april 15, 2026 as spring
[16:31] migration season in the city of
[16:32] 
[16:32] gainesville and invite all our
[16:33] 
[16:33] neighbors to inveto me in
[16:36] stepping outside and watching
[16:37] for the flashes of red, yellow,
[16:39] 
[16:39] blue and black that mark this
[16:41] remarkable season of migration.
[16:43] 
[16:43] I have hereunto set my hand and
[16:44] 
[16:44] cause to be affixed the officia
[16:49] l
[16:49] seal of the city of gainesville
[16:52] ,
[16:52] florida.
[16:52] if you want to say a few words
[16:54] .
[16:54] >> thank you,mayor,
[16:55] commissioner, for recognizing
[16:55] birds and nature and
[16:57] conservation here in alachua g
[17:01] ainesville.
[17:01] we are so lucky to have so man
[17:04] y
[17:04] preserves, so many parks
[17:05] throughout the area.
[17:07] and it's really drawn attention
[17:09] 
[17:09] to the value that we place in
[17:10] nature here in this community.
[17:12] 
[17:12] I want to give a shout-out to
[17:14] sweetwater wetlands park and t
[17:17] he
[17:17] wonderful habitat that it
[17:18] provides to wildlife, but also
[17:21] a
[17:21] great venue for environmental
[17:25] education and passive
[17:27] recreation.
[17:27] and your may be surprised to
[17:29] know that sweetwater just in I
[17:32] ts
[17:32] short 10 years being open to t
[17:34] he
[17:34] public has risen to the very t
[17:36] op
[17:36] in popularity of birding hot
[17:39] spots in the state of florida.
[17:41] 
[17:41] out of over 5,000 it's in the
[17:44] top 10 now which is phenomenal.
[17:46] 
[17:46] something even more phenomenal
[17:47] 
[17:47] about sweetwater, last year the
[17:50] 
[17:50] bird conservancy just added
[17:52] sweetwater to its list of the
[17:53] top 15 most recommended birding
[17:55] 
[17:55] places to go in the entire
[17:58] united states.
[17:59] so that's amazing.
[18:00] and so what that translates int
[18:02] o
[18:02] is it shows that gainesville,
[18:04] alachua county is a place where
[18:06] 
[18:06] we value our nature, where we
[18:08] value conservation and wildlif
[18:09] e
[18:09] and it also translates into an
[18:12] 
[18:12] untold amount of ecotourism
[18:14] dollars for the things that we
[18:16] 
[18:16] value.
[18:16] so thank you very much for thi
[18:18] s.
[18:18] >> mayor: thank you.
[18:33] >> mr. Mayor, we are on to
[18:50] 2026-201, national public heal
[18:53] th
[18:53] week --
[19:03] [inaudible]
[19:03] >> mayor: all right.
[19:06] this is national public health
[19:08] 
[19:08] week.
[19:08] pwhereas the week of april 6th
[19:27] ,
[19:27] 2026 is national public health
[19:28] 
[19:28] week and the theme is ready,
[19:30] set, action.
[19:31] highlighting that public health
[19:32] 
[19:32] actions occurring through
[19:34] scientific conferees,
[19:35] legislation and community
[19:37] initiatives have significantly
[19:39] 
[19:39] improved the health of all
[19:40] americans since its inception I
[19:43] n
[19:43] 1994.
[19:43] and whereas, racial and ethnic
[19:46] 
[19:46] minority populations of the
[19:47] united states continue to
[19:48] experience disparities in the
[19:50] burden of illness and deaths a
[19:51] s
[19:51] compared with the entire
[19:52] population of the united states
[19:54] .
[19:54] and whereas, a person's health
[19:56] 
[19:56] status can differ drastically b
[19:58] y
[19:58] zip code due to differences in
[20:00] 
[20:00] environment quality, community
[20:02] 
[20:02] context, access to healthy foo
[20:04] d,
[20:04] access to education, and acces
[20:05] s
[20:05] to healthcare.
[20:07] and whereas, efforts to
[20:08] adequately support public
[20:10] health, the prevention of
[20:10] disease and the injury continue
[20:13] 
[20:13] to transform a health system
[20:15] focused on treating illness and
[20:17] 
[20:17] to a health system focused on
[20:19] preventing disease, injury and
[20:21] 
[20:21] promoting wellness.
[20:23] therefore, I harvey l. Ward jr.
[20:25] 
[20:25] as mayor of the city of
[20:26] gainesville proclaim april 6th
[20:28] 
[20:28] through 12th at national
[20:29] public health week in the city
[20:31] 
[20:31] of gainesville and invite all
[20:31] our neighbors to join me in
[20:33] observing this week by helping
[20:34] 
[20:34] our families, friends, neighbo
[20:36] rs
[20:36] and co-workers and leaders to
[20:39] recognize the contribution of
[20:42] scientists, loyal city and
[20:44] community activists including
[20:45] the public health workers as t
[20:46] he
[20:46] theme states ready, set, actio
[20:48] n.
[20:48] in witness whereafter I have
[20:51] here unto caused to be affixed
[20:54] 
[20:54] the official seal of the city
[20:57] of
[20:57] gainesville, florida.
[21:00] >> on behalf of the beta for
[21:11] recognizing public health and
[21:13] what it has on our communities
[21:16] .
[21:16] and thank you for proclaiming
[21:19] national public health week.
[21:20] thank you.
[21:34] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-204.
[21:42] 
[21:42] s landscape architecture
[21:44] month.
[21:44] >> mayor: all right.
[21:46] who's got this wurp?
[21:52] whereas landscape architecture
[21:54] 
[21:54] encompasses the analysis,
[21:56] planning, design and stewardship
[21:58] 
[21:58] of the natural and built
[21:59] environment, translating visio
[22:01] n
[22:01] into action to shape places that
[22:03] 
[22:03] are healthy, safe and resilient
[22:05] .
[22:05] landscape architecture is a
[22:06] regulated profession in all 50
[22:08] 
[22:08] states and the department of
[22:09] business and professional
[22:10] regulation ensures the highest
[22:11] 
[22:11] standards of professional
[22:14] competence through education,
[22:16] experience and examination
[22:17] requirements.
[22:17] whereas, during april, landsca
[22:20] pe
[22:20] architecture month is celebrated
[22:21] 
[22:21] under the theme landscape
[22:23] architecture in action, where w
[22:25] e
[22:25] recognize the tangible impact
[22:27] this has on parks, streetscape
[22:30] s,
[22:30] campuses across urban, suburba
[22:32] n
[22:32] and rural communities.
[22:33] and whereas, the license to
[22:35] practice landscape architecture
[22:37] 
[22:37] is a critical safeguard for
[22:39] public health, safety and
[22:40] welfare ensuring outdoor
[22:44] environments are designed with
[22:48] 
[22:48] technical rigor and ethical
[22:50] responsibility.
[22:50] whereas landscape architects a
[22:53] re
[22:53] nuniquely qualified through
[22:57] resilient green infrastructure
[22:58] 
[22:58] design strategies that restore
[23:00] 
[23:00] ecosystems and mitigate
[23:02] environmental hazards and
[23:03] decrease the long-term disaste
[23:05] r
[23:05] recovery on state and local
[23:06] governments.
[23:06] whereas the economy of the city
[23:08] 
[23:08] of gainesville is strengthened
[23:10] 
[23:10] by the work of these landscape
[23:11] 
[23:11] architects and the accredited a
[23:14] t
[23:14] florida international universit
[23:16] y
[23:16] and the university of florida
[23:17] who together foster tourism,
[23:18] economic development and
[23:19] environmental protection.
[23:20] I harvey l. Ward jr. As
[23:23] authority of the mayor of
[23:30] gainesville, florida and invite
[23:30] 
[23:30] all our neighbors to join me I
[23:32] n
[23:32] celebrating landscape
[23:33] architecture in action and the
[23:35] 
[23:35] essential role landscape  architects
[23:39] architects play in the shaping
[23:39] 
[23:39] of resilient, safe environment
[23:41] s.
[23:41] I have hereunto set my hand and
[23:42] 
[23:42] caused to be affixed the
[23:44] official seal of gainesville,
[23:46] florida this 26th day of
[23:47] march, 2026, harvey ward jr.,
[23:50] mayor.
[23:50] welcome.
[23:50] >> you're all set.
[23:54] if you want to hand those to
[23:56] francisco.
[23:56] >> mayor: I'll do that.
[24:01] >> we'll make sure those get
[24:03] where they need to go.
[24:11] next mr. Mayor is the early
[24:14] public comment.
[24:14] and I don't believe -- no, we
[24:15] do
[24:15] not have anyone signed up for
[24:17] early public comment.
[24:19] so we are going to go on to our
[24:21] 
[24:21] first discussion item -- I'm
[24:23] sorry, not discussion item, the
[24:25] 
[24:25] ordinance for the evening.
[24:28] we have ordinance number
[24:30] 2025-998, an ordinance of the
[24:33] city of gainesville, florida
[24:33] amending the future land use m
[24:35] ap
[24:35] of the comprehensive plan by
[24:36] changing the land use category
[24:37] 
[24:37] of approximately .64 acres of
[24:40] property generally located at
[24:42] the 800 block of east universit
[24:45] y
[24:45] avenue as more specifically
[24:46] described in this ordinance fro
[24:48] m
[24:48] planned use district and mixed
[24:50] 
[24:50] use low intensity to mixed use
[24:53] 
[24:53] office residential, providing
[24:54] directions to the city manager,
[24:56] 
[24:56] providing severability clause,
[24:58] 
[24:58] providing repealing clause and
[24:59] 
[24:59] providing an effective date.
[25:02] >> mayor: very good.
[25:03] thank you for your patience.
[25:06] >> good evening, mr. Mayor and
[25:07] 
[25:07] commission.
[25:07] my name is ari rabbinvich, thi
[25:14] s
[25:14] is the 800 block east universit
[25:16] y
[25:16] project item ld25-000143.
[25:22] so the parcel seen here located
[25:30] n the 800 block of east
[25:33] university avenue, the current
[25:35] 
[25:35] land use designation is planned
[25:37] 
[25:37] use district and mixed use low
[25:39] 
[25:39] intensity with a proposed
[25:41] designation of mixed use offic
[25:43] e
[25:43] residential.
[25:43] the planned use district land
[25:45] use designation corresponded t
[25:49] o
[25:49] planned ordinance which existed
[25:51] 
[25:51] to enable the restoration and
[25:52] rehabilitation of the former b
[25:54] ed
[25:54] and breakfast use that was at
[25:55] the property and allowed for
[25:57] uses that were consistent with
[25:58] 
[25:58] those enabled by the former 02
[26:02] 
[26:02] general office zoning
[26:03] designation.
[26:03] the requested designation ofmor
[26:08] e of mor
[26:10] would establish a range of
[26:11] allowable uses and development
[26:14] 
[26:14] consistent with the surrounding
[26:15] 
[26:15] area which is a mix of uses
[26:17] including offices, residences,
[26:19] 
[26:19] retail, commercial and civic
[26:20] uses.
[26:20] so here's a map just showing t
[26:25] he
[26:25] current land uses for the
[26:27] subject parcel as compared to
[26:28] the surrounding area.
[26:30] you see largely mor.
[26:36] versus the proposed land use a
[26:38] s
[26:38] requested under the application
[26:40] .
[26:40] so looking at the surrounding
[26:43] uses and land use designations
[26:46] 
[26:46] for the parcels nearby, you can
[26:48] 
[26:48] see that the majority of the --
[26:51] 
[26:51] or all of the abutting parcels
[26:53] 
[26:53] are designated mixed use offic
[26:56] e
[26:56] residential with existing uses
[26:58] 
[26:58] that are primarily residential
[26:59] 
[26:59] and multi-family and
[27:00] single-family.
[27:00] and so here is an image that
[27:08] illustrates what the area looks
[27:11] 
[27:11] like.
[27:11] it's a total of approximately 73
[27:14] acres of land designated mor
[27:16] in this area before you hit
[27:19] waldo road to the east.
[27:24] so this is a property that is
[27:28] within an historic district.
[27:30] the designation pud existed to
[27:33] 
[27:33] restore a former bed &
[27:39] breakfast.
[27:39] today it lies in the southeast
[27:42] 
[27:42] district and has one
[27:44] contributing historic
[27:45] distributing which is the
[27:46] mccreary house.
[27:47] the allowable uses per the pd
[27:48] were those that were consistent
[27:50] 
[27:50] with the former 02 general
[27:54] designation with factors like
[27:55] setbacks and parking determine
[27:56] d
[27:56] by the requirements of that
[27:58] former use category.
[28:04] so regarding historic
[28:07] preservation, the historic
[28:09] preservation officer has
[28:09] provided some comments on this
[28:10] 
[28:10] project.
[28:10] she left the comment that land
[28:13] 
[28:13] uses which would allow for
[28:14] additional infill that adds to
[28:15] 
[28:15] the character of the district I
[28:17] s
[28:17] appropriate.
[28:17] additionally, any new
[28:19] development that would occur
[28:21] within any historic district
[28:23] would be subject to review for
[28:24] 
[28:24] certificates of appropriateness
[28:26] 
[28:26] per land development code
[28:28] section 30-4.28 which regulate
[28:34] 
[28:34] design and the subject
[28:35] properties in the surrounding
[28:37] area.
[28:37] this is a land use change which
[28:39] 
[28:39] is subject to review against
[28:41] the set of criteria defined by
[28:43] 
[28:43] the land development code.
[28:44] we have conducted this review
[28:45] and conclude that the criteria
[28:46] 
[28:46] of the code are met including
[28:48] consistency with comprehensive
[28:50] 
[28:50] plan goals, policies and
[28:51] objectives surrounding the
[28:52] diversity of housing, retail a
[28:55] nd
[28:55] workplace choices encouraging a
[28:57] 
[28:57] mix of uses and discouraging
[28:59] sprawl towards the periphery o
[29:01] f
[29:01] the city and compatibility with
[29:02] 
[29:02] scrownding land uses.
[29:04] this would encourage a diverse
[29:05] 
[29:05] range ever uses consistent wit
[29:07] h
[29:07] what exists in the area today
[29:08] and impacts on affordable
[29:10] housing.
[29:10] this project would enable
[29:12] residential uses at the site
[29:13] which is currently prohibited
[29:15] under the planned development
[29:17] and pud designation today.
[29:18] so there may be impacts to
[29:20] affordable housing in that thi
[29:21] s
[29:21] change would allow housing at
[29:22] that site.
[29:23] so with that, staff recommends
[29:26] 
[29:26] approval of ld25-000143.
[29:33] we have a rezoning to follow I
[29:35] f
[29:35] you have any questions.
[29:35] I don't know if the applicant I
[29:36] s
[29:36] here to speak on this item.
[29:39] you can if you'd like to.
[29:41] >> mayor: ocome on up,
[29:46] mr. Sweger.
[29:48] welcome.
[29:48] >> good afternoon or evening,
[29:49] mr. Mayor and commissioners.
[29:51] I'm clay sweger.
[29:52] glad to be here tonight.
[29:53] this is a relative
[29:55] administrative type of
[29:56] consideration for you all
[29:57] tonight.
[29:57] the owners of this property
[30:00] which includes the mccreary
[30:02] house, one of the old victorian
[30:04] 
[30:04] homes on east university heavy
[30:06] 
[30:06] has purchased the property and
[30:08] 
[30:08] is putting significant into
[30:11] revitalizing and bringing it
[30:13] back to a bread of the mighty
[30:14] which is very exciting.
[30:15] but in the weeds on the planning
[30:16] 
[30:16] side it's an expired from the
[30:21] 1980s, that era of pds
[30:23] doesn't have a reverter clause
[30:26] 
[30:26] so the pd expired and it doesn
[30:29] 't
[30:29] go back to the office zoning
[30:30] that it was before.
[30:31] the action before you is to
[30:33] address that issue on the land
[30:34] 
[30:34] use map to go to mor in the
[30:36] zoning to u-4 which would allow
[30:39] 
[30:39] that bed & breakfast use.
[30:41] but, of course, the analysis by
[30:42] 
[30:42] your staff was to consider all
[30:44] 
[30:44] uses in that area.
[30:46] properties in essentially every
[30:48] 
[30:48] direction are u-4 for a block o
[30:49] r
[30:49] two, so it's very consistent
[30:51] with the pattern.
[30:52] this would allow that
[30:54] revitalization of the historic
[30:56] 
[30:56] structure, which happy to say
[30:57] that your historic preservatio
[30:58] n
[30:58] planner has been involved and
[31:00] she's integral in the design a
[31:02] nd
[31:02] permitting of the improvements.
[31:04] 
[31:04] as you drive by there, you can
[31:06] 
[31:06] see them happening.
[31:07] so thank you for consideration
[31:08] 
[31:08] on this.
[31:09] if you have any questions for m
[31:10] e
[31:10] tonight, please let me know.
[31:11] thank
[31:11] >> mayor: very good.
[31:13] thank you.
[31:15] commissioner ingle.
[31:18] >> so looking quickly at the
[31:20] map, there's two old victorian
[31:23] 
[31:23] houses there, the mccreary
[31:24] house and another one right
[31:25] beside it.
[31:26] >> yes, sir.
[31:27] >> is this considering both of
[31:28] 
[31:28] those?
[31:28] >> no, mr. Mayor.
[31:30] it's just the one to the east.
[31:32] 
[31:32] >> okay.
[31:34] >> the owner of the property to
[31:35] 
[31:35] the west, the other home was n
[31:36] ot
[31:36] interested in participating in
[31:38] 
[31:38] the application.
[31:41] >> mayor: very good.
[31:44] commissioner willits.
[31:44] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[31:46] staff, we heard this back in
[31:47] october.
[31:47] is there a reason why there's
[31:49] such a long period between fir
[31:51] st
[31:51] and second reading?
[31:55] >> which item did you hear bac
[31:56] k
[31:56] in october?
[31:58] >> it said we heard the petitio
[31:59] n
[31:59] in october.
[32:00] is that accurate?
[32:03] >> is this not first reading f
[32:04] or
[32:04] this item?
[32:07] >> this is on for first reading
[32:08] .
[32:08] >> mayor: this is first reading.
[32:10] 
[32:10] >> why did I just see a chart
[32:11] that said we had already heard
[32:12] 
[32:12] it?
[32:12] >> that may be for the sheriff's
[32:15] 
[32:15] office rezoning that's later.
[32:17] >> mayor: maybe.
[32:18] >> I'm looking at the wrong one
[32:19] .
[32:19] no, no.
[32:27] maybe there's a chart
[32:28] accidentally on the historic
[32:32] preservation one.
[32:33] if you tell me it's not, but o
[32:35] n
[32:35] one of those slides it says
[32:37] 10/ 16/25.
[32:41] >> that was an error.
[32:42] >> in our backup, perfect.
[32:44] we are looking at different
[32:46] documents.
[32:46] >> sorry about that.
[32:48] >> I didn't think I was --
[32:50] that's why I was wondering.
[32:51] but I remember we heard
[32:52] somewhere in the back of my
[32:53] brain, we heard something about
[32:54] 
[32:54] this.
[32:54] but maybe there was conversatio
[32:57] n
[32:57] about what's going on and then
[32:58] I
[32:58] think staff said something is
[32:59] coming down the pike.
[33:00] >> that sounds like it could be
[33:01] 
[33:01] it, yeah.
[33:02] >> perfect.
[33:03] so is there -- but all three o
[33:06] f
[33:06] the -- well, not parcels, but
[33:07] lots.
[33:07] it's basically three lots in a
[33:09] 
[33:09] row.
[33:09] but it's the middle and eastern
[33:12] 
[33:12] one.
[33:12] >> right.
[33:14] >> are we splitting up the pud
[33:16] 
[33:16] then?
[33:16] are we leaving a remnant?
[33:19] for the land use, that pud, is
[33:21] 
[33:21] it one pud originally that we
[33:24] are then splitting and leaving?
[33:25] 
[33:25] >> so the pud that you're
[33:29] referencing, I think I have som
[33:31] e
[33:31] images here.
[33:32] I believe it counts for both o
[33:35] f
[33:35] these properties.
[33:36] but this proposal is just to
[33:38] apply to the lot, like you sai
[33:43] d,
[33:43] east of the other historic sit
[33:48] e.
[33:48] so the pud would still be in
[33:50] effect for that.
[33:51] >> that's the land use.
[33:52] >> right.
[33:53] >> that's a land use and then
[33:55] even later on the zoning.
[33:57] >> the pud would also still
[33:58] apply to that other piece of
[34:00] property.
[34:00] >> even though it is kind of an
[34:02] 
[34:02] old --
[34:02] >> even still, yeah.
[34:03] >> all right.
[34:04] it feels a little weird, but I
[34:05] t
[34:05] does make sense.
[34:06] if everything else is mor aarou
[34:08] nd it, this is just
[34:12] returning potential [inaudible]
[34:16] .
[34:16] airbnbs have probably taken a
[34:18] lot of wind out of the sail of
[34:21] 
[34:21] actual b&bs, there could be
[34:25] somebody living on the site to
[34:27] 
[34:27] help the east side and downtown
[34:28] 
[34:28] have more people living there to
[34:30] 
[34:30] do everything that we want to d
[34:32] o
[34:32] in getting more people to live
[34:34] 
[34:34] downtown or close to downtown.
[34:35] 
[34:35] so I just want to be in support
[34:39] 
[34:39] and I'll make the motion.
[34:41] >> mayor: thank you.
[34:42] commissioner eastman.
[34:43] >> yeah, thank you.
[34:44] I mean this seems like a
[34:45] no-brainer.
[34:45] there's mixed use office
[34:48] residential all around it.
[34:52] you know, for years, the
[34:53] community has been asking what'
[34:54] s
[34:54] going to happen with this house
[34:56] .
[34:56] it is a very stark house.
[34:58] I believe it is on bo diddley
[35:00] plaza.
[35:00] it was originally in downtown,
[35:02] 
[35:02] correct?
[35:02] it was originally on bo diddley
[35:05] 
[35:05] plaza.
[35:05] the city had a bit of history,
[35:09] 
[35:09] eminent domain this entire
[35:11] section of our downtown to
[35:13] create city hall, bo diddley
[35:14] plaza and what should have bee
[35:16] n
[35:16] a civic center from there.
[35:19] it was high historic
[35:22] preservation and moved it to
[35:24] university avenue.
[35:24] and people have been curious
[35:25] what is going to happen to it.
[35:27] 
[35:27] it is a beautiful stately house
[35:28] 
[35:28] that now looks sort of ghostly
[35:30] 
[35:30] and wasn't entirely clear.
[35:32] I'm glad someone wanted to ste
[35:35] p
[35:35] up and do something good with
[35:36] it.
[35:36] I'm very happy they came forwa
[35:38] rd
[35:38] with it.
[35:38] it's a really good reminder to
[35:40] 
[35:40] everyone why we should be tryin
[35:41] g
[35:41] not to approve pds.
[35:43] I understand there's reverters
[35:45] 
[35:45] nowadays.
[35:45] we have learned some thingover
[35:48] 
[35:48] time.
[35:48] what happens with planned
[35:52] developments which are these
[35:52] kind of costly parcels, they
[35:54] just linger there.
[35:56] and then the whole code changes
[35:57] 
[35:57] all around it.
[35:58] and then eventually somebody is
[36:00] 
[36:00] just trying to already put in
[36:02] enough time and effort to make
[36:03] 
[36:03] the house look nice and hires
[36:04] eda to come and go for the pla
[36:07] n
[36:07] board and I think I saw july
[36:09] when this first came forward.
[36:10] just a lot of work for people to
[36:12] 
[36:12] go through.
[36:12] so it's nice for it to just be
[36:14] 
[36:14] part of the rest of the process
[36:15] 
[36:15] as the code changes.
[36:17] so I'm very happy to support I
[36:19] t.
[36:19] with that, I'd like to approve
[36:20] 
[36:20] ordinance number 2025-998.
[36:23] >> second.
[36:24] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[36:25] a
[36:25] second.
[36:25] madam clerk, is there any public
[36:27] 
[36:27] comment?
[36:27] >> there's no public comment.
[36:30] >> mayor: anything either staff
[36:31] 
[36:31] or the applicant want to add t
[36:33] o
[36:33] the land use?
[36:34] all right.
[36:35] seeing no further lights, madam
[36:36] 
[36:36] clerk, please call the roll.
[36:38] >> commissioner ingle.
[36:39] >> aye.
[36:39] >> commissioner chestnut.
[36:40] >> aye.
[36:41] >> commissioner duncan-walker.
[36:41] 
[36:41] >> aye.
[36:41] >> commissioner book.
[36:42] >> aye.
[36:43] >> commissioner willits.
[36:43] >> aye.
[36:44] >> commissioner eastman.
[36:44] >> aye.
[36:45] >> mayor ward.
[36:45] >> mayor: aye.
[36:46] that passes unanimously.
[36:47] madam clerk.
[36:50] >> mr. Mayor, ordinance number
[36:52] 
[36:52] 2025-997, an ordinance of the
[36:55] city of gainesville, florida
[36:56] amending the zoning map atlas b
[36:58] y
[36:58] rezoning approximately .64 acr
[37:00] es
[37:00] of property generally located a
[37:02] t
[37:02] the 800 block of east universi
[37:04] ty
[37:04] avenue as more specifically
[37:05] described in this ordinance fro
[37:07] m
[37:07] planned development to urban 4
[37:08] ,
[37:08] providing directions to the city
[37:09] 
[37:09] manager, providing severabilit
[37:11] y
[37:11] clause, prov providing repeali
[37:13] ng
[37:13] clause and providing effective
[37:16] 
[37:16] date.
[37:16] >> ari rabinovich, this is the
[37:26] 
[37:26] 800 block of east university
[37:28] avenue.
[37:28] so the requested zoning
[37:32] designation is urban zoned 4
[37:34] which is transect.
[37:36] this is a zoning designation
[37:38] that would establish a range o
[37:40] f
[37:40] allowable uses and allowable
[37:45] development which is a mix of
[37:46] uses including offices,
[37:47] residences, retail, commercial
[37:49] 
[37:49] and civic uses.
[37:53] so a map of the current zoning
[37:55] 
[37:55] designations which are both pd.
[37:58] 
[37:58] and the requested u4.
[38:03] same set of surrounding active
[38:06] 
[38:06] uses, surrounding zoning
[38:08] designations are both u4 and u
[38:13] 3.
[38:13] and rooking at that same clust
[38:16] er
[38:16] of land it's about 73 acres
[38:19] that are zoned either u3 or u4
[38:21] 
[38:21] in this area.
[38:25] same historic considerations.
[38:28] and same set of review criteri
[38:33] a
[38:33] that historic preservation wou
[38:37] ld
[38:37] conduct.
[38:37] and just real quick synopsis o
[38:42] f
[38:42] the transect zone.
[38:45] this is being -- u4 falls withi
[38:49] n
[38:49] the designation that consists
[38:50] of
[38:50] a wide range of residential
[38:51] building types with the higher
[38:53] 
[38:53] numbered zones providing for t
[38:55] he
[38:55] integration of offices and
[38:57] neighborhood services within a
[38:58] n
[38:58] increasingly urban fabric,
[39:01] setbacks that vary and streets
[39:03] 
[39:03] with curbs and sidewalks that
[39:05] define medium-sized blocks.
[39:07] and the intent of the transect
[39:08] 
[39:08] zoning is to establish
[39:09] development standards that
[39:10] encourage a more efficient and
[39:12] 
[39:12] sustainable forum by allowing a
[39:13] 
[39:13] range of housing, employment,
[39:15] shopping and recreation choices
[39:17] 
[39:17] within a compact and
[39:19] pedestrian-friendly environmen
[39:23] t.
[39:23] comparing the u4 designation
[39:25] against what was basically
[39:27] applied within the pd which was
[39:29] 
[39:29] o2 back then, we see that
[39:31] there's some outdated standards
[39:33] 
[39:33] for things like setbacks where
[39:37] 
[39:37] the o2 require setbacks relative
[39:41] 
[39:41] to the angle of light
[39:42] obstruction.
[39:42] o2 disallowed residential uses
[39:46] 
[39:46] so this request would introduce
[39:48] 
[39:48] residential uses and modernize
[39:49] 
[39:49] code requirements to meet the
[39:50] design and development standards
[39:51] 
[39:51] that are set by our transect
[39:53] code relating to density,
[39:55] height, setback, sidewalks.
[40:00] so staff are required by code t
[40:03] o
[40:03] review rezoning against a set o
[40:04] f
[40:04] criteria and have found that
[40:05] this request does meet the
[40:07] requirements of the land
[40:09] development code.
[40:10] this involves compatibility wit
[40:12] h
[40:12] the surrounding development, a
[40:13] ny
[40:13] changes to the character of the
[40:15] 
[40:15] area that warrant the requested
[40:16] 
[40:16] change and the goals, policies
[40:19] 
[40:19] and objectives of the
[40:20] comprehensive plan, specificall
[40:20] y
[40:20] foes surrounding the
[40:22] encouragement of diverse
[40:23] housing, office, retail and
[40:25] workplace choices as well as the
[40:26] 
[40:26] discouraging of sprawl through
[40:28] 
[40:28] infill development.
[40:28] so with that, staff does
[40:30] recommend approval of
[40:31] ld25-000141.
[40:31] thank you very much for your
[40:35] time and I'm here for any
[40:37] further questions.
[40:38] >> mayor: very good.
[40:38] thank you.
[40:39] I see no questions.
[40:43] mr. Sweger, did you want to
[40:44] offer anything?
[40:45] all right.
[40:46] very good.
[40:48] commissioner willits.
[40:49] >> mr. Mayor, seeing as the
[40:51] property is immediately across
[40:53] 
[40:53] the street and then to the two
[40:54] 
[40:54] blocks towards downtown are all
[40:55] 
[40:55] that u4, on that kind of half
[41:00] block abutting the university.
[41:01] 
[41:01] it seems to make sense.
[41:02] it's a little bit of corridor o
[41:05] f
[41:05] u4 that makes sense.
[41:07] I move the city commission ado
[41:08] 
[41:08] the proposed ordinance 2025-995
[41:14] 
[41:14] quasi-judicial the 800 block
[41:16] east university rezoning.
[41:17] >> second.
[41:19] >> mayor: is there any public
[41:19] comment on this, madam clerk?
[41:20] >> no public comment.
[41:22] >> mayor: would you call the
[41:22] roll, please.
[41:23] >> commissioner chestnut.
[41:24] >> aye.
[41:25] >> commissioner duncan-walker.
[41:25] 
[41:25] >> aye.
[41:26] >> commissioner book.
[41:27] >> aye.
[41:27] >> commissioner willits.
[41:28] >> aye.
[41:28] >> commissioner eastman.
[41:29] >> aye.
[41:29] >> commissioner ingle.
[41:30] >> aye.
[41:31] >> mayor ward.
[41:31] >> mayor: aye.
[41:32] that passes unanimously.
[41:34] nice work.
[41:35] >> mr. Mayor, ordinance number
[41:36] 
[41:36] 2025-992, an ordinance of the
[41:38] city of gainesville, florida
[41:39] amending the future land use m
[41:40] ap
[41:40] of the comprehensive plan by
[41:41] changing the land use category
[41:43] 
[41:43] of approximately 25.55 acres o
[41:45] f
[41:45] property generally located wes
[41:47] t
[41:47] of southwest 13th street,
[41:48] south of southwest archer road,
[41:51] 
[41:51] east of southwest 16th street
[41:53] and north of southwest 16th
[41:54] avenue as more specifically
[41:56] described in this ordinance fro
[41:58] m
[41:58] urban mixed use high intensity
[42:01] 
[42:01] to office, providing directions
[42:03] 
[42:03] to the city manager, providing
[42:05] 
[42:05] severability clause, providing
[42:06] 
[42:06] repealing clause and providing
[42:08] 
[42:08] an effective date.
[42:09] >> mayor: very good.
[42:09] welcome.
[42:09] >> hello, good evening, mayor
[42:11] and commissioners.
[42:11] thank you for having me this
[42:12] evening.
[42:12] my name is allison payinger.
[42:16] I'm a in the department of
[42:20] sustainable development.
[42:21] u.f. South campus will consist
[42:24] 
[42:24] of two applications, one for t
[42:26] he
[42:26] land use that is legislative a
[42:28] nd
[42:28] one for the map change which I
[42:30] s
[42:30] quasi-judicial.
[42:30] this presentation is
[42:31] specifically for the land use
[42:32] amendment identified by petitio
[42:34] n
[42:34] number.
[42:34] the applicant is in attendance
[42:40] 
[42:40] and will have a presentation
[42:42] after the conclusion of staff's
[42:44] 
[42:44] presentation.
[42:44] this petition is for three
[42:50] subject parcels equaling in
[42:52] total approximately 25.55 acres
[42:55] .
[42:55] for the record identified as
[42:56] parcels 1548200000145490000 and
[43:09] 
[43:09] 154-60-0000.
[43:09] the three parcels are south of
[43:11] 
[43:11] the university of florida xuts
[43:12] 
[43:12] and bounded by archer road,
[43:15] southwest 16th ave.
[43:17] southwest 13th street and
[43:18] southwest 16th street.
[43:19] the current land use category I
[43:23] s
[43:23] umuh urban mixed use high
[43:24] intensity.
[43:24] the proposed change is for
[43:27] office.
[43:27] the subject parcels are
[43:28] currently developed.
[43:30] this area is referred to as u.f
[43:32] .
[43:32] healthsouth campus.
[43:34] please note that the three
[43:35] parcels are not within the u.f
[43:37] .
[43:37] campus development agreement
[43:38] this.
[43:38] however it is part of the u.f.
[43:40] 
[43:40] master plan and largely part o
[43:42] f
[43:42] the u.f. Health shands complex.
[43:44] 
[43:44] the parcels are currently home
[43:46] 
[43:46] to u.f. Health heart and
[43:50] vascular hospital and u.f.
[43:52] health shands, and trauma
[43:54] center.
[43:54] the purpose of the request is I
[43:57] n
[43:57] two parts.
[43:58] to have the property be
[43:59] consistent in land use and
[44:00] zoning designation with other
[44:01] hospital complexes throughout
[44:03] the city.
[44:04] and to bring the existing
[44:05] hospital facility structures
[44:07] into conformance and provide
[44:08] land use and zoning that is
[44:10] needed for any future
[44:12] redevelopment and site
[44:13] improvements as needed.
[44:15] for additional context, this
[44:18] area of the city was part of t
[44:20] he
[44:20] form-based city initiated land
[44:22] 
[44:22] use change and rezoning efforts
[44:24] 
[44:24] in 2017 with transect zoning.
[44:29] in this case, it was near the
[44:31] u.f. Campus in the periphery o
[44:32] f
[44:32] downtown.
[44:32] and the next few slides are jus
[44:35] t
[44:35] going to provide some context to
[44:36] 
[44:36] the area before we get into the
[44:37] 
[44:37] criteria of the land use chang
[44:39] e.
[44:39] so this is an overhead imagery
[44:42] 
[44:42] showing the area and the
[44:43] structures.
[44:43] hihere is showing the u.f. Cam
[44:51] pus
[44:51] master plan agreement.
[44:51] so it's outside of it, but it I
[44:53] s
[44:53] directly north of the parcels.
[44:57] 
[44:57] here is just a quick location
[44:58] map for reference.
[45:00] so north of the subject area I
[45:02] s
[45:02] archer road and then the main
[45:05] u.f. Health shands facilities.
[45:07] 
[45:07] south is southwest 16th ave
[45:10] and kind of a mixture of
[45:12] apartments and restaurants,
[45:14] office uses.
[45:15] east is southwest 13th street
[45:17] and then some multi-family and
[45:18] 
[45:18] restaurant uses.
[45:19] and west of the subject area I
[45:23] s
[45:23] southwest 16th street and then
[45:24] 
[45:24] additional medical facilities
[45:26] and the v.a. Hospital.
[45:28] this is just a summary of those,
[45:30] 
[45:30] of what was just described.
[45:33] and just to kind of give a
[45:36] visual, so this would be if you  we
[45:38] were on archer road where it
[45:40] intersects with southwest 16th
[45:42] 
[45:42] street looking towards southwest
[45:45] 
[45:45] 13th.
[45:45] so like the grass and trees
[45:46] area, that's like the v.a. Are
[45:48] a.
[45:48] and then you're staring directly
[45:50] 
[45:50] at the emergency room building.
[45:51] 
[45:51] just to kind of show how large
[45:53] 
[45:53] this area is.
[45:55] this is at the intersection of
[45:56] 
[45:56] southwest 16th ave and
[45:58] southwest 13th street looking
[46:01] at northwest at the u.f.
[46:03] healthsouth campus and seeing
[46:05] the majority of the structures.
[46:06] 
[46:06] and lastly, if you are on
[46:08] southwest 13th street looking
[46:10] towards archer road which is
[46:11] past the dna bridge, the trees
[46:15] 
[46:15] on the left are the smaller
[46:17] parcels that are part of this.
[46:20] 
[46:20] and then just a quick recap of
[46:23] 
[46:23] the petition timeline, so there
[46:25] 
[46:25] was a pre-application meeting,
[46:26] a
[46:26] neighborhood workshop, the cit
[46:28] y
[46:28] staff review and then it went
[46:30] before the plan board on
[46:31] september 18th.
[46:33] now it's before you today for
[46:33] the first reading.
[46:34] and this is just a quick recap
[46:36] 
[46:36] of all the public notice for
[46:37] those meetings being held
[46:40] including the neighborhood
[46:41] workshop.
[46:41] the plan board meeting and the
[46:44] 
[46:44] city commission meeting
[46:45] including property signs,
[46:47] postcards and the newspaper ads
[46:51] .
[46:51] so this petition was reviewed
[46:53] using the criteria outlined in
[46:55] 
[46:55] section 30-3.13 of the land
[46:58] development code and
[46:59] corresponding sections of the
[47:00] comp plan for the city of
[47:01] gainesville.
[47:01] the criteria shown on this sli
[47:03] de
[47:03] are explored in more detail in
[47:04] 
[47:04] the backup and staff report.
[47:06] I just have a few quick points
[47:08] I
[47:08] wanted to expand on.
[47:09] just to recap, the proposed
[47:11] changes to go from umuh to o f
[47:15] or
[47:15] office, to hit on redevelopment,
[47:18] 
[47:18] the site is already developed
[47:20] and has established
[47:22] streetscapes, multimodal forms
[47:24] 
[47:24] of transportation, vehicular a
[47:26] nd
[47:26] pedestrian circulation and
[47:27] building frontage.
[47:28] any future development would
[47:29] retain the pattern per the
[47:31] submittal by the applicant but
[47:33] 
[47:33] would still be held to office
[47:36] and the proposed md zoning if
[47:39] approved in the companion
[47:40] application.
[47:40] for compatibility, on this map,
[47:45] w
[47:45] we can see directly to the wes
[47:48] t
[47:48] where the v.a. Hospital is, tha
[47:50] t
[47:50] has the office land use.
[47:52] so this would let it extend on
[47:57] 
[47:57] to the u.f. Health south campu
[48:00] s.
[48:00] on that compatibility, here is
[48:02] a
[48:02] table showing other hospital
[48:05] complex properties in the city
[48:06] 
[48:06] just to kind of show how those
[48:08] 
[48:08] have similar land use and zonin
[48:10] g
[48:10] districts of what the purpose o
[48:12] f
[48:12] this application is for to have
[48:14] 
[48:14] consistency in that.
[48:16] so a couple are listed here,
[48:18] including like north florida,
[48:19] the v.a. Hospital, hca archer,
[48:23] 
[48:23] showing they also have that
[48:24] office land use designation.
[48:25] and with the companion rezoning
[48:28] 
[48:28] application, the medical
[48:29] services.
[48:29] and then to touch on conformance
[48:38] 
[48:38] with the land use categories,
[48:40] this is just a brief summary o
[48:42] f
[48:42] some of the differences between
[48:43] 
[48:43] the current land use category
[48:45] and the proposed one.
[48:46] this is taken from the future
[48:47] land use element of the
[48:48] comprehensive plan.
[48:49] policy.
[48:55] so when comparing them with
[48:57] highlight, umuh which is the
[48:58] current one has a six-story
[49:00] maximum, eight stories with
[49:03] bonus.
[49:03] office has a five-story maximum
[49:05] 
[49:05] and then it also has the
[49:07] addition of specifically for
[49:09] large scale medical facilities
[49:11] 
[49:11] that are located in medical
[49:13] services zoning, they can go u
[49:17] p
[49:17] to 14 stories but they have to
[49:17] 
[49:17] have a special use permit whic
[49:19] h
[49:19] is a special review process.
[49:21] those also go before the city
[49:23] plan board.
[49:24] just something to keep in m
[49:25] with that.
[49:28] and in addition, this petition
[49:31] 
[49:31] specifically is just for the
[49:32] land use but I did want to
[49:34] provide context that the next
[49:36] petition will be for the zonin
[49:38] g.
[49:38] per our land development code
[49:39] and comprehensive plan, the onl
[49:41] y
[49:41] future land use category that
[49:42] allows for the proposed medical
[49:45] 
[49:45] services zoning is the office
[49:46] land use.
[49:47] so just important to keep in
[49:48] mind for compatibility purpose
[49:52] s.
[49:52] and my last point on this is t
[49:53] he
[49:53] office land use in our
[49:55] comprehensive plan does
[49:56] highlight that it is for like
[50:00] hospital uses, as one of the
[50:02] parts that it's for.
[50:04] in addition to that, the
[50:05] specific use of hospital is onl
[50:08] y
[50:08] permitted in that medical
[50:10] services zoning which is only
[50:11] allowed in the office land use
[50:13] .
[50:13] so just to connect all the dot
[50:14] s
[50:14] on that.
[50:18] this was just a broader map to
[50:20] 
[50:20] use if needed.
[50:22] and that brings us to the end,
[50:24] 
[50:24] so based on the review of this
[50:25] 
[50:25] criteria, staff recommends
[50:26] approval of this petition.
[50:28] and the city plan board on
[50:30] december 18th, 2025 voted 6-0
[50:33] to recommend approval of
[50:35] petition ld 25-000104 as well.
[50:39] 
[50:39] we are available for any
[50:40] questions.
[50:40] and the applicant also has a
[50:42] presentation.
[50:42] >> mayor: okay.
[50:44] >> thank you.
[50:45] >> mayor: thank you.
[50:46] the applicant want to come up
[50:48] and walk us through it?
[50:53] >> good evening, mr. Mayor,
[50:54] commissioners.
[50:54] ryan thompson, mv5, the agency
[51:00] 
[51:00] agent for the applicant.
[51:03] essentially we're here to allow
[51:06] 
[51:06] this property to develop like
[51:07] all of their hospital campuses
[51:09] 
[51:09] in the city of gainesville.
[51:10] when the city went through the
[51:15] 
[51:15] transect zone it was the u9.
[51:23] the previous zoning district
[51:25] standards, there's a concern
[51:26] that there may be some
[51:32] conformance challenges with th
[51:35] e
[51:35] property.
[51:35] and we just want to make sure
[51:37] that none of that is the case.
[51:38] 
[51:38] then we also want to maximize
[51:41] the opportunities on this site
[51:45] 
[51:45] for u.f. Health and our
[51:47] community.
[51:47] the first application is -- and
[51:54] 
[51:54] by the way, I do have a combine
[51:56] d
[51:56] presentation if that's okay wit
[51:57] h
[51:57] this commission.
[51:58] okay.
[51:58] the first application is for
[52:03] comprehensive plan amendment
[52:04] from umuh to office.
[52:07] and a rezoning from u9 to
[52:09] medical services.
[52:10] and again, we're just looking
[52:13] for what all other hospital
[52:14] campuses have within the city o
[52:18] f
[52:18] gainesville.
[52:18] we did properly notice the
[52:21] public for our neighborhood
[52:22] workshop.
[52:22] we had four attendees,
[52:25] discussions about the zoning
[52:27] change and what is most
[52:29] appropriate for this site given
[52:31] 
[52:31] the context of development
[52:32] that's already occurred.
[52:34] we have followed the city's
[52:36] process for small scale
[52:39] comprehensive plan amendment a
[52:40] nd
[52:40] rezoning applications.
[52:45] the justification for the
[52:47] request, there's multiple point
[52:48] s
[52:48] here that should be made.
[52:50] one that's not on here is the
[52:52] demand for hospital beds is
[52:54] going up as our population age
[52:57] s.
[52:57] and they desire -- and industry
[53:00] 
[53:00] trends that are going towards
[53:02] single occupancy rooms.
[53:03] so the amount of square footag
[53:04] e
[53:04] in the facilities that u.f.
[53:06] health has currently will reduc
[53:08] e
[53:08] the number of people that they
[53:11] 
[53:11] will be able to treat, switching
[53:14] 
[53:14] from multiple occupant rooms t
[53:16] o
[53:16] single occupant rooms.
[53:21] and they are obviously
[53:22] constrained in their capacity
[53:24] with their existing facilities.
[53:26] 
[53:26] the south campus is
[53:28] substantially built and site
[53:29] constrained.
[53:29] redevelopment on this site nee
[53:32] ds
[53:32] to occur vertically.
[53:35] and on site hospitals were
[53:37] permitted under umu2 standards
[53:40] 
[53:40] as I mentioned before.
[53:42] and this is the only hospita
[53:43] campus in the city of
[53:47] gainesville that does not have
[53:47] 
[53:47] the offic land use designation
[53:50] 
[53:50] of medical services district.
[53:53] and the md zoning district was
[53:55] 
[53:55] specifically intended for these
[53:56] 
[53:56] types of facilities.
[54:02] this is a context map of the
[54:03] site.
[54:03] I will work through these
[54:06] quickly due to staff's thorough
[54:08] 
[54:08] presentation.
[54:08] we're bound to the north by
[54:12] archer road and to the east by
[54:14] 
[54:14] 13th street.
[54:16] and immediately south of the
[54:19] university of florida main
[54:21] campus.
[54:21] it's effectively an extension o
[54:24] f
[54:24] u.f. Health facilities there.
[54:27] this is a close-up of the site.
[54:29] 
[54:29] again, the adjacent roadways.
[54:31] u.f. Health shands to the north
[54:35] ,
[54:35] the v.a. Hospital which has the
[54:37] 
[54:37] office land use and medical
[54:39] services zoning to the west.
[54:41] and typically, apartments or
[54:46] auto-oriented retail type uses
[54:48] 
[54:48] to the east and to the south.
[54:52] we did a little bit of site
[54:54] assessment on the property.
[54:55] there are two primary areas tha
[54:57] t
[54:57] would develop on this site.
[54:58] there's a surface parking lot
[55:00] along 16th to the west and
[55:02] then a surface parking lot and
[55:04] 
[55:04] one story building along 13th
[55:08] street.
[55:08] you can see that this site is
[55:11] substantially developed.
[55:13] it's already established.
[55:16] the frontage and streetscape
[55:17] along archer road and 13th
[55:19] street and redevelopment on the
[55:20] 
[55:20] site would continue in that
[55:21] pattern.
[55:21] there is substantial pedestria
[55:25] n
[55:25] facilities enter into the site
[55:29] 
[55:29] with wide sidewalks, some of
[55:30] which are even covered and
[55:32] amenities around the stormwate
[55:34] r
[55:34] ponds as well.
[55:37] u.f. Health has done a
[55:39] conceptual master plan as
[55:41] identified these two areas for
[55:42] 
[55:42] development.
[55:42] this is the existing land use of
[55:50] 
[55:50] the property.
[55:51] it's umuh high as described in
[55:55] 
[55:55] the comprehensive plan.
[55:56] it's aligned with multi-family
[55:57] 
[55:57] and commercial uses which
[56:00] typically abut the university of
[56:02] 
[56:02] florida except in this case.
[56:05] and the proposed is office whi
[56:08] ch
[56:08] is specifically allows hospita
[56:13] ls
[56:13] and medical uses.
[56:14] the existing zoning is u9 which
[56:17] 
[56:17] is characterized in the land
[56:19] development code for high
[56:20] density residential and
[56:21] commercial uses.
[56:23] and the proposed md zoning
[56:24] district is the only zoning
[56:26] district specific for hospitals
[56:30] .
[56:30] and it's consistent with all
[56:31] others in the city.
[56:34] this is a step back from that
[56:37] zoning map.
[56:37] you can see that there are
[56:40] medical facilities including t
[56:41] he
[56:41] v.a. Hospital that are along
[56:43] this segment of archer road tha
[56:45] t
[56:45] share our requested land use a
[56:47] nd
[56:47] zoning.
[56:47] and then looking at the other
[56:50] facilities, we have north
[56:53] florida to the north.
[56:55] we have the v.a. Hospital to o
[56:56] ur
[56:56] west.
[56:56] and we have the new hca facilit
[57:01] y
[57:01] on archer road and I-75 all
[57:03] sharing the office land use and
[57:05] 
[57:05] md zoning.
[57:07] staff has reviewed the
[57:09] applications and found them
[57:10] consistent with the
[57:11] comprehensive plan.
[57:15] this, in fact, would discourag
[57:17] e
[57:17] urban sprawl being that bewould
[57:21] 
[57:21] redevelop an infill and focus o
[57:23] n
[57:23] maximizing this campus.
[57:26] and staff has also found the
[57:29] code compliant -- or the
[57:30] application compliant with the
[57:32] 
[57:32] land development code.
[57:35] staff has recommended approval
[57:36] 
[57:36] for both the small scale
[57:37] comprehensive plan amendment a
[57:39] nd
[57:39] rezoning applications.
[57:41] and the city plan board
[57:42] unanimously recommended approva
[57:43] l
[57:43] in december.
[57:45] so with that, I'm happy to
[57:46] answer any questions.
[57:47] I hope I didn't belabor it too
[57:48] 
[57:48] much.
[57:48] I know staff's presentation was
[57:51] 
[57:51] very thorough.
[57:52] thank you very much.
[57:53] >> mayor: thank you.
[57:55] all right.
[57:57] commissioner willits.
[57:58] >> some quick questions for
[57:59] staff.
[57:59] would changing this land use -
[58:03] -
[58:03] and I guess potentially the
[58:06] zoning.
[58:06] I have a couple of specific --
[58:09] 
[58:09] >> mayor: hold on a second.
[58:12] >> broadcast, we have a screen
[58:13] 
[58:13] that shows we are in recess.
[58:18] >> the broadcast light is still
[58:21] 
[58:21] on.
[58:21] >> mayor: yes.
[58:25] we just need confirmation that
[58:26] 
[58:26] we are definitely broadcasting.
[58:28] 
[58:28] >> there's a thumb's up back
[58:34] there.
[58:34] >> I saw the light on.
[58:36] >> mayor: all right.
[58:36] if we're comfortable that we
[58:37] have a thumb's up, go ahead.
[58:39] >> sorry.
[58:40] so the changing this to the
[58:43] office, potential redevelopment
[58:45] ,
[58:45] would this require -- the answe
[58:47] r
[58:47] is probably both the current a
[58:49] nd
[58:49] the proposed.
[58:51] putting an additional sidewalk
[58:53] 
[58:53] on southwest 14th street on
[58:54] the east side of that?
[58:56] because right now there's one o
[58:57] n
[58:57] the west side closer to hotel
[58:59] ellio.
[58:59] but in the undeveloped one,
[59:03] single story building and
[59:05] parking lot, there's not a
[59:06] sidewalk on that side.
[59:07] I would assume both of these
[59:09] zonings if redeveloped, they
[59:11] would have to build a sidewalk
[59:13] 
[59:13] internal to the whole project
[59:14] but along 14th street.
[59:16] >> yeah, potentially.
[59:18] it would come down to the land
[59:21] 
[59:21] development review and the sta
[59:22] ff
[59:22] analysis of that.
[59:23] we'd work with transportation
[59:25] and evaluate the code
[59:26] requirements to verify like wh
[59:30] at
[59:30] is needed based on the scale a
[59:32] nd
[59:32] intensity of what is proposed
[59:34] for redevelopment.
[59:35] >> everything that was already
[59:37] 
[59:37] there under the current, you
[59:41] know, development, there's a
[59:41] sidewalk on every street
[59:43] fronting face I believe
[59:45] almost -- besides a little pie
[59:48] ce
[59:48] of 14th ave does not have a
[59:50] sidewalk next to it.
[59:51] so I just wondered what will
[59:53] force -- will that force chang
[59:55] es
[59:55] on the opposite side.
[59:56] so this -- why did we move it t
[1:00:00] o
[1:00:00] this?
[1:00:00] well, we moved to transect
[1:00:04] zones.
[1:00:04] why that parcel?
[1:00:05] how did it kind of get there
[1:00:07] instead of being -- I know
[1:00:10] decades ago or not that long
[1:00:12] ago, there was an old hotel on
[1:00:13] 
[1:00:13] the site, which is much more a
[1:00:17] n
[1:00:17] ofurban use than office.
[1:00:20] >> yes.
[1:00:21] from my understanding from the
[1:00:22] 
[1:00:22] research for this staff report,
[1:00:23] 
[1:00:23] we looked back so prior to 2017
[1:00:27] 
[1:00:27] it was the umu-2.
[1:00:29] and in 2017 when the transect
[1:00:33] zoning and associated land use
[1:00:34] 
[1:00:34] categories were implemented,
[1:00:37] with the comprehensive plan, t
[1:00:40] he
[1:00:40] umuh written in that category I
[1:00:42] s
[1:00:42] to use it for research and
[1:00:45] development along the periphery
[1:00:47] 
[1:00:47] of u.f. Campus along the east
[1:00:48] and west.
[1:00:48] and I think that's where it ki
[1:00:50] nd
[1:00:50] of fell looking that way in
[1:00:52] terms of the analysis of where
[1:00:55] 
[1:00:55] the campus was.
[1:00:56] so I think that's why it was
[1:00:58] rezoned that way.
[1:01:02] that's what we found in the
[1:01:03] analysis.
[1:01:03] >> mayor: that rezoning, did I
[1:01:05] t
[1:01:05] happen in between the building
[1:01:08] 
[1:01:08] of the cancer center and the
[1:01:10] heart and vascular hvn?
[1:01:13] I'm trying to remember the
[1:01:14] order.
[1:01:14] I'm trying to remember when th
[1:01:18] at
[1:01:18] was done?
[1:01:19] are they eight story hospitals
[1:01:20] 
[1:01:20] and this opens up to a 14 story
[1:01:29] ?
[1:01:29] >> I'm dial trying to remember.
[1:01:31] 
[1:01:31] the built environment is
[1:01:33] determined by the rules.
[1:01:34] >> certainly, mr. Mayor, thank
[1:01:35] 
[1:01:35] you.
[1:01:35] so the cancer hospital and the
[1:01:43] 
[1:01:43] 13th garage were in 2009.
[1:01:45] the hvn hospital was --
[1:01:51] >> it was before that.
[1:01:53] >> they were both under the umu
[1:01:56] 
[1:01:56] 2 standards.
[1:01:56] >> and now looking to the next.
[1:01:58] 
[1:01:58] >> mr. Mayor, if I may opine o
[1:01:59] n
[1:01:59] your previous question.
[1:02:01] certainly, they would put
[1:02:03] sidewalks there when that
[1:02:04] portion of the site is
[1:02:04] redeveloped regardless of what
[1:02:09] 
[1:02:09] the uldc or land development
[1:02:12] code requires.
[1:02:13] >> I was wondering because
[1:02:15] southwest 14th ave swimming
[1:02:16] pools to 14th street doesn't
[1:02:18] have sidewalks.
[1:02:19] as someone who has walked that
[1:02:21] 
[1:02:21] site many, many times as it's
[1:02:23] between work and home, it is
[1:02:24] frustrating there is not a
[1:02:26] sidewalk on southwest 14th.
[1:02:27] I understand maybe that's not
[1:02:28] where you want people to walk
[1:02:29] because that's where the
[1:02:30] ambulances are coming in and
[1:02:31] out.
[1:02:31] but the truth is, you know --
[1:02:33] >> I understand.
[1:02:34] >> people would prefer to walk
[1:02:35] 
[1:02:35] through the middle of a
[1:02:36] beautiful campus than down on
[1:02:37] some of the arterial roads.
[1:02:39] >> certainly.
[1:02:40] >> that's why I asked about the
[1:02:41] 
[1:02:41] internal because I know I use I
[1:02:45] t
[1:02:45] to cut through.
[1:02:47] it's very pleasant.
[1:02:48] fountains and ponds and ducks o
[1:02:51] r
[1:02:51] whatever.
[1:02:51] >> certainly.
[1:02:52] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:02:53] >> and then so I think that's
[1:02:54] it.
[1:02:54] this could potentially be a muc
[1:02:57] h
[1:02:57] larger tower on that southeast
[1:02:58] 
[1:02:58] corner.
[1:02:58] like it could be a 14 story
[1:03:00] hospital or support office for
[1:03:05] a
[1:03:05] hospital in the future.
[1:03:08] >> yes.
[1:03:08] and just as confirmation, with
[1:03:12] 
[1:03:12] the office land use if approve
[1:03:14] d,
[1:03:14] they would have to apply for a
[1:03:16] 
[1:03:16] special use permit.
[1:03:18] that would have to go through
[1:03:19] staff review.
[1:03:20] there would be public engagemen
[1:03:22] t
[1:03:22] associated with that, a
[1:03:24] neighborhood workshop.
[1:03:25] and it would go before the cit
[1:03:27] y
[1:03:27] plan board.
[1:03:27] >> but not before the city
[1:03:29] commission because special use
[1:03:30] 
[1:03:30] permits are only done --
[1:03:32] >> correct, yeah.
[1:03:33] >> through the plan board.
[1:03:34] well, this all makes sense.
[1:03:35] I did see when the sign got
[1:03:37] stakeholder and asked city sta
[1:03:38] ff
[1:03:38] so I got a little head's up
[1:03:40] about some of this internal.
[1:03:41] I'm glad some members of the
[1:03:45] public went to the meeting at
[1:03:46] least through zoom or teams.
[1:03:49] it is a little weird, but it
[1:03:50] does make sense that if office
[1:03:52] 
[1:03:52] is more appropriate, like the
[1:03:53] other ones.
[1:03:57] do you know this personally in
[1:03:58] 
[1:03:58] your district?
[1:03:58] >> uh-huh.
[1:04:00] >> that very little corner.
[1:04:01] I don't think they are going t
[1:04:02] o
[1:04:02] build anything on it.
[1:04:03] on my corner, they might.
[1:04:05] with that, I would like to mov
[1:04:10] e
[1:04:10] adoption of 2025-992, u.f.
[1:04:13] health south campus land use
[1:04:15] change.
[1:04:15] >> second.
[1:04:17] >> mayor: motion and second.
[1:04:18] commissioner -- excuse me,
[1:04:19] mr. Manager.
[1:04:23] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:04:24] mr. Thompson answered the
[1:04:27] question.
[1:04:27] I think I wrote the staff repor
[1:04:29] t
[1:04:29] back in the day but mr. Thompso
[1:04:31] n
[1:04:31] answered it.
[1:04:32] >> mayor: commissioner eastman.
[1:04:32] 
[1:04:32] >> you answered a lot of my
[1:04:33] questions.
[1:04:33] I was confused similarly why we
[1:04:36] 
[1:04:36] would be going down in intense
[1:04:41] 
[1:04:41] to medical.
[1:04:42] first it says here in permitted
[1:04:44] 
[1:04:44] use, hospital not listed.
[1:04:46] health services permitted.
[1:04:47] I was looking through our code.
[1:04:49] 
[1:04:49] is a hospital considered health
[1:04:51] 
[1:04:51] services because it's two
[1:04:52] different sections of our code.
[1:04:53] 
[1:04:53] >> yeah.
[1:04:54] that's a great question that w
[1:04:55] e
[1:04:55] looked into as well.
[1:04:58] so for context, urban 9, the
[1:05:00] current zoning district allows
[1:05:02] 
[1:05:02] for health services.
[1:05:03] health services in our land
[1:05:04] development code is defined as
[1:05:06] 
[1:05:06] establishments primarily engag
[1:05:08] ed
[1:05:08] in furnishing medical, surgical
[1:05:10] 
[1:05:10] and other health services to
[1:05:12] persons and pets.
[1:05:14] hospitals specifically does no
[1:05:15] t
[1:05:15] have a definition in our
[1:05:17] definition section.
[1:05:18] medical services is the only
[1:05:21] zoning district that allows by
[1:05:23] 
[1:05:23] right the hospital use.
[1:05:27] we differentiate the two uses
[1:05:29] when it comes down to intensity
[1:05:31] 
[1:05:31] mostly.
[1:05:31] so we consider like hospitals t
[1:05:34] o
[1:05:34] have a higher intensity in ter
[1:05:37] ms
[1:05:37] of use, size, types of health
[1:05:38] services that they are offering.
[1:05:40] 
[1:05:40] especially when we start
[1:05:41] considering like number of bed
[1:05:43] s
[1:05:43] and patient/outpatient hours o
[1:05:46] f
[1:05:46] service.
[1:05:46] so we mainly scale it down to
[1:05:49] intensity for what that
[1:05:51] difference is.
[1:05:52] >> okay.
[1:05:53] because I mean one of the
[1:05:54] benefits of u9 is when you hav
[1:05:57] e
[1:05:57] that flexibility of uses, you d
[1:05:59] o
[1:05:59] things like you can build a
[1:06:01] hotel.
[1:06:01] if you are in that zoning
[1:06:02] district, hotel ellio, would
[1:06:05] that be considered conforming
[1:06:06] under the new zoning district?
[1:06:13] 
[1:06:13] >> yes.
[1:06:14] hotel is also permitted in the
[1:06:15] 
[1:06:15] md zoning district.
[1:06:17] >> then I guess md is more
[1:06:19] flexibility than the title may
[1:06:21] 
[1:06:21] suggest.
[1:06:21] I'm comfortable with it.
[1:06:22] it makes sense.
[1:06:23] yeah, those are my questions.
[1:06:25] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:06:26] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:06:27] madam clerk, there any public
[1:06:28] comment on this?
[1:06:29] >> there is no public comment,
[1:06:30] 
[1:06:30] mr. Mayor.
[1:06:31] >> mayor: I so he no further
[1:06:31] lights, let's call the roll.
[1:06:37] >> commissioner duncan-walker.
[1:06:38] 
[1:06:38] >> aye.
[1:06:38] >> commissioner book.
[1:06:39] >> aye.
[1:06:39] >> commissioner willits.
[1:06:39] >> aye.
[1:06:40] >> commissioner eastman.
[1:06:40] >> aye.
[1:06:41] >> commissioner ingle.
[1:06:42] >> aye.
[1:06:42] >> commissioner chestnut.
[1:06:43] >> aye.
[1:06:44] >> mayor ward.
[1:06:44] >> mayor: aye.
[1:06:44] that passes unanimously.
[1:06:46] madam clerk, before we go on, I
[1:06:47] 
[1:06:47] don't want to let this pass
[1:06:49] without mentions this when you
[1:06:53] 
[1:06:53] look at the map of the 10 bloc
[1:06:55] ks
[1:06:55] between basically southwest
[1:06:57] 23rd street to southwest
[1:06:59] 13th street along archer road
[1:07:01] and southwest 16th avenue, it
[1:07:05] repeating that this is
[1:07:08] among the most, ifot the most
[1:07:10] dense employment area.
[1:07:12] it probably in florida, maybe
[1:07:14] throughout the southeast
[1:07:15] consistently because it is
[1:07:16] almost all 24/7 employment.
[1:07:19] and it includes everything fro
[1:07:22] m,
[1:07:22] you know, world-class medical
[1:07:25] college to to the associated
[1:07:32] hospitals with that and all the
[1:07:33] 
[1:07:33] offices that support u.f. Healt
[1:07:35] h
[1:07:35] throughout and the largest v.a
[1:07:42] .
[1:07:42] hospital headquarters.
[1:07:50] all that is something you don't
[1:07:52] 
[1:07:52] encounter in most communities.
[1:07:53] 
[1:07:53] we take it for granted but
[1:07:54] should not take it for granted
[1:07:56] ,
[1:07:56] not only for the jobs, the ver
[1:07:58] y
[1:07:58] good jobs that it provides
[1:07:59] throughout that sector, but the
[1:08:02] 
[1:08:02] opportunity for people to come
[1:08:03] 
[1:08:03] and be healed in our community
[1:08:06] 
[1:08:06] in a way that other communities
[1:08:07] 
[1:08:07] are envious of.
[1:08:09] it's important when we have any
[1:08:11] 
[1:08:11] opportunity to repeat all that,
[1:08:13] 
[1:08:13] so that we don't ever forget I
[1:08:15] t.
[1:08:15] it's something we should walk
[1:08:16] out of here feeling pretty dar
[1:08:18] n
[1:08:18] good about.
[1:08:19] madam clerk.
[1:08:25] [inaudible]
[1:08:25] >> mayor: that's the theory.
[1:08:27] [laughter]
[1:08:27] >> mr. Mayor.
[1:08:30] >> mayor: yes, we are very
[1:08:31] grateful for that.  >>
[1:08:32] >> we are very grateful.
[1:08:32] mr. Mayor, we are on to
[1:08:34] ordinance number 2025-993, an
[1:08:36] ordinance of the city of
[1:08:38] gainesville, florida amending
[1:08:40] the zoning map atlas by rezoning
[1:08:41] 
[1:08:41] approximately 25.55 acres of
[1:08:44] property generally located wes
[1:08:45] t
[1:08:45] of southwest 13th street,
[1:08:47] south of southwest archer road,
[1:08:48] 
[1:08:48] east of southwest 16th street
[1:08:51] and north of southwest 16th
[1:08:53] avenue as more specifically
[1:08:53] described in this ordinance fro
[1:08:56] m
[1:08:56] urban 9 to medical services
[1:08:59] providing directions, providing
[1:09:02] 
[1:09:02] severability clause, providing
[1:09:04] 
[1:09:04] repealing clause and providing
[1:09:06] 
[1:09:06] an effective date.
[1:09:07] >> mayor: welcome back.
[1:09:08] >> thank you.
[1:09:09] good evening again.
[1:09:12] allison pedder, to preface in
[1:09:16] this presentation will be
[1:09:17] identical to the previous item
[1:09:18] 
[1:09:18] so I'll skip past those and
[1:09:20] briefly summarize them.
[1:09:22] feel free to stop me if you'd
[1:09:23] like me to go more in-depth.
[1:09:25] so for the record, this is the
[1:09:27] 
[1:09:27] presentation before you now for
[1:09:28] 
[1:09:28] the zoning map change which is
[1:09:30] 
[1:09:30] quasi-judicial for petition
[1:09:32] number ld 25-000106 for u.f.
[1:09:37] health south campus.
[1:09:39] for this request, the current
[1:09:40] zoning designation is urban 9
[1:09:42] and the proposed change
[1:09:43] requested is for medical
[1:09:44] services md.
[1:09:56] but nothing has changed in the
[1:10:01] m.
[1:10:01] this petition was reviewed usi
[1:10:02] ng
[1:10:02] the criteria outlined in secti
[1:10:05] on
[1:10:05] 30-3.14 of the land development
[1:10:07] 
[1:10:07] code and the corresponding
[1:10:09] sections of the comprehensive
[1:10:10] plan for the city of
[1:10:12] gainesville.
[1:10:12] the criteria shown on this sli
[1:10:13] de
[1:10:13] are explored in the backup and
[1:10:15] 
[1:10:15] staff report.
[1:10:16] I have a couple of quick point
[1:10:17] s
[1:10:17] I wanted to expand in more
[1:10:19] detail.
[1:10:19] so this proposal is to change
[1:10:22] from urban 9 which is a transec
[1:10:23] t
[1:10:23] zone to medical services which
[1:10:25] 
[1:10:25] is one of the special zoning
[1:10:26] districts.
[1:10:26] and then as a quick reminder a
[1:10:30] nd
[1:10:30] recap with the last item being
[1:10:31] 
[1:10:31] approved for the change in lan
[1:10:33] d
[1:10:33] use to office, our land
[1:10:36] development code and
[1:10:37] comprehensive plan do state tha
[1:10:38] t
[1:10:38] the only future land use
[1:10:39] category that allows for the m
[1:10:42] d
[1:10:42] zoning is office.
[1:10:45] and some other things to keep I
[1:10:47] n
[1:10:47] mind in terms of permitted use
[1:10:49] s,
[1:10:49] the use of hospitals only
[1:10:50] permitted in medical services
[1:10:52] md.
[1:10:52] this is a reminder of the
[1:10:59] compatibility element of this t
[1:11:00] o
[1:11:00] bring it into consistency with
[1:11:02] 
[1:11:02] the other hospital campuses see
[1:11:04] n
[1:11:04] around the city that also have
[1:11:06] 
[1:11:06] that md zoning.
[1:11:09] and this is just a quick
[1:11:10] comparison table of the two
[1:11:11] zoning districts.
[1:11:13] so u9 which is a transect zone
[1:11:15] 
[1:11:15] and medical services which is a
[1:11:17] 
[1:11:17] special district, a lot of the
[1:11:19] se
[1:11:19] have already been kind of talked  ab
[1:11:21] about but the main ones being
[1:11:23] the permitted uses, the height.
[1:11:25] 
[1:11:25] just a quick glance over that
[1:11:28] with the special district
[1:11:29] medical services, it's five
[1:11:32] stories by right, 14 with a
[1:11:34] special use permit for those
[1:11:38] larger medical facilities.
[1:11:39] other than that, medical
[1:11:40] services is a special district
[1:11:42] 
[1:11:42] hathat has its own section.
[1:11:48] and this is just a broader map
[1:11:50] 
[1:11:50] showing the zoning of the area.
[1:11:54] 
[1:11:54] and lastly, based on the revie
[1:11:56] w
[1:11:56] of this criteria, staff
[1:11:57] recommends approval of petition
[1:11:59] 
[1:11:59] ld 25-000106 and the city plan
[1:12:02] 
[1:12:02] board on december 18th of 2025
[1:12:05] 
[1:12:05] voted 6-0 to recommend approva
[1:12:06] l
[1:12:06] of the petition as well.
[1:12:10] we are available for questions
[1:12:15] 
[1:12:15] and mv5 is also here.
[1:12:16] >> mayor: would the applicant
[1:12:17] like to add anything to this?
[1:12:21] >> not other than having my
[1:12:23] presentation from the previous
[1:12:24] 
[1:12:24] item reflected in the record.
[1:12:26] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:12:27] >> mayor: absolutely, yes.
[1:12:29] thank you.
[1:12:30] commissioner ingle.
[1:12:31] >> move staff recommendation o
[1:12:34] f
[1:12:34] 2025-993.
[1:12:34] >> second.
[1:12:36] >> mayor: motion and second.
[1:12:37] and commissioner book.
[1:12:39] >> yeah, thank you.
[1:12:39] this is precisely the type of
[1:12:41] presentation that helps us be
[1:12:43] prepared to make something lik
[1:12:44] e
[1:12:44] this.  The
[1:12:44] the nuances of something like a
[1:12:47] 
[1:12:47] health use versus a hospital an
[1:12:49] d
[1:12:49] the fact that it has different
[1:12:50] 
[1:12:50] densities in the same area and
[1:12:52] 
[1:12:52] really doesn't change the
[1:12:54] overall character of the area I
[1:12:55] s
[1:12:55] very helpful for this.
[1:12:57] so this is very, very good
[1:12:59] preparation by staff.
[1:13:00] and this was a really -- I
[1:13:02] didn't even know why this was
[1:13:03] coming before us.
[1:13:04] seemed like I would have thoug
[1:13:06] ht
[1:13:06] that this was a use that could
[1:13:07] 
[1:13:07] have been done in that area, b
[1:13:09] ut
[1:13:09] for the fact that we have very,
[1:13:11] 
[1:13:11] very precise land use and zonin
[1:13:13] g
[1:13:13] standards.
[1:13:13] I appreciate staff in this
[1:13:19] particular case and support the
[1:13:20] 
[1:13:20] motion.
[1:13:20] >> mayor: commissioner willits
[1:13:22] .
[1:13:22] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.  Yo
[1:13:24] you know, it's like -- it feels
[1:13:26] 
[1:13:26] like a small change but in
[1:13:27] essence it is also saying
[1:13:28] there's less land.
[1:13:30] we have just dezoned a chunk of
[1:13:37] 
[1:13:37] land that could be --
[1:13:43] [inaudible] if u.f. Said let's
[1:13:47] 
[1:13:47] build a dorm for nursing
[1:13:48] students and now 20 per acre, w
[1:13:50] e
[1:13:50] do remove some -- the changes
[1:13:53] aren't completely minimal.
[1:13:54] it does change with the future.
[1:13:56] 
[1:13:56] but I think this is more in line
[1:13:58] 
[1:13:58] with what u.f. Health is looki
[1:14:00] ng
[1:14:00] at.
[1:14:00] people can't say we never do
[1:14:02] anything for u.f. Health.
[1:14:03] like this is, you know, a help
[1:14:05] 
[1:14:05] for them to build that.
[1:14:06] and I just want to also give
[1:14:08] thanks to ms. Pager.
[1:14:20] I'm glad you're the person here
[1:14:22] 
[1:14:22] to do all the research to answe
[1:14:24] 
[1:14:24] my questions.
[1:14:25] thank you.
[1:14:26] >> happy to help.
[1:14:27] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:14:28] commissioner willits.
[1:14:28] commissioner eastman.
[1:14:30] >> thank you.
[1:14:31] since I got on my soapbox last
[1:14:33] 
[1:14:33] time about pds when making the
[1:14:35] 
[1:14:35] change, another thing that is on
[1:14:37] 
[1:14:37] that staff looking at that
[1:14:39] spreadsheet of all the work th
[1:14:40] at
[1:14:40] you guys are doing is to look a
[1:14:41] t
[1:14:41] our allowed use tables.
[1:14:43] I have not asked this directly
[1:14:45] 
[1:14:45] but I'm guessing the differenc
[1:14:46] e
[1:14:46] between medical services and
[1:14:47] hospitals is the main purpose o
[1:14:48] f
[1:14:48] this changeover.  And
[1:14:51] and well, regardless, I think it
[1:14:53] 
[1:14:53] is important that we have that,
[1:14:55] 
[1:14:55] you know, if there are
[1:14:57] allowances that make sense
[1:14:58] within certain zoning districts
[1:14:59] 
[1:14:59] that we simply make those
[1:15:01] updates, we might not have tak
[1:15:07] en
[1:15:07] a different look since we made
[1:15:09] 
[1:15:09] transects.
[1:15:09] now we have lots of time and
[1:15:11] experience under our belt as t
[1:15:12] o
[1:15:12] what makes sense where and wha
[1:15:14] t
[1:15:14] applicants are coming and askin
[1:15:16] g
[1:15:16] us for.
[1:15:16] I'm looking forward to getting
[1:15:18] 
[1:15:18] that back whenever the plan
[1:15:19] board gets done with that.
[1:15:21] I think it's well overdue to
[1:15:24] take a second set of eyes.
[1:15:26] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:15:27] commissioner eastman.
[1:15:28] is there any public comment,
[1:15:29] madam clerk?
[1:15:31] >> no public comment.
[1:15:32] >> mayor: let's call the roll.
[1:15:32] 
[1:15:32] >> commissioner book.
[1:15:33] >> aye.
[1:15:33] >> commissioner willits.
[1:15:34] >> aye.
[1:15:34] >> commissioner eastman.
[1:15:35] >> aye.
[1:15:36] >> commissioner ingle.
[1:15:36] >> aye.
[1:15:37] >> commissioner chestnut.
[1:15:37] >> aye.
[1:15:38] >> commissioner duncan-walker.
[1:15:38] 
[1:15:38] >> aye.
[1:15:40] >> mayor ward.
[1:15:40] >> mayor: aye.  That
[1:15:41] that passes unanimously.
[1:15:42] madam clerk.
[1:15:42] >> mr. Mayor, we are on to
[1:15:44] ordinance number 2025-994, an
[1:15:49] ordinance of the city of
[1:15:50] gainesville, florida amending
[1:15:51] the future land use map of the
[1:15:53] 
[1:15:53] comprehensive plan by changing
[1:15:54] 
[1:15:54] the land use category of
[1:15:56] approximately 1.38 acres of
[1:15:58] property generally located at
[1:15:59] the 1200 block of northeast
[1:16:01] 8th avenue as more
[1:16:04] specifically described in this
[1:16:05] 
[1:16:05] ordinance from mixed use
[1:16:07] office/residential to urban
[1:16:09] mixed use.
[1:16:09] providing directions to the cit
[1:16:11] y
[1:16:11] manager, providing a
[1:16:12] severability clause, providing
[1:16:13] a
[1:16:13] repealing clause and providing
[1:16:15] 
[1:16:15] an effective date.
[1:16:16] >> mayor: very good.
[1:16:19] commissioner chestnut.
[1:16:20] >> thank you.
[1:16:22] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:16:23] I will be abstaining on this
[1:16:26] vote on ordinance number
[1:16:29] 2025-994 as well as ordinance
[1:16:32] number 2025-995.
[1:16:34] I have a conflict of interest,
[1:16:37] 
[1:16:37] both forms have been filed wit
[1:16:38] h
[1:16:38] the clerk's office.
[1:16:40] >> mayor: very good.
[1:16:40] thank you, commissioner
[1:16:41] chestnut.
[1:16:41] mr. Chen.
[1:16:43] >> thank you.
[1:16:43] good evening, mayor and
[1:16:44] commissioners.
[1:16:44] nathan iel chen.
[1:16:53] this is the chestnut northeast
[1:16:54] 
[1:16:54] 8th avenue land use change.
[1:16:59] so this is the 1200 block of
[1:17:02] northeast 8th avenue with
[1:17:04] those four parcels listed.
[1:17:06] the existing land use and zonin
[1:17:08] g
[1:17:08] district allow for mixed use
[1:17:10] development.
[1:17:10] so it is currently mixed use
[1:17:13] office residential or mor and
[1:17:16] currently urban 4 or u4 zoning.
[1:17:19] 
[1:17:19] as I said, it allows
[1:17:20] it is bounded on four sides by
[1:17:26] 
[1:17:26] streets, so northeast 8th avenu
[1:17:30] e
[1:17:30] to the north.
[1:17:31] northeast 12th street, northea
[1:17:35] st
[1:17:35] place to the south, and
[1:17:37] northeast to the east.
[1:17:38] as I said, it's the 1200 block
[1:17:42] 
[1:17:42] of northeast 8th avenue.
[1:17:44] approximately 1.38 acres, and
[1:17:46] the proposed land use and zonin
[1:17:49] g
[1:17:49] is mixed use and urban 6.
[1:17:53] the site is currently vacant.
[1:17:55] here's the subject property on
[1:17:58] 
[1:17:58] northeast 8th avenue.
[1:17:59] as I said, charles chestnut iii
[1:18:03] 
[1:18:03] avenue.
[1:18:03] the subject property is in
[1:18:04] orange, and the surrounding
[1:18:06] developments are called out in
[1:18:08] 
[1:18:08] blue.
[1:18:08] mainly of course the 8th and
[1:18:11] waldo road, located within
[1:18:15] walking distance of the subject
[1:18:17] 
[1:18:17] property.
[1:18:17] and that of course proposes
[1:18:20] reutilization of the site,
[1:18:22] including improved facilities
[1:18:24] and other improvements, and also
[1:18:27] 
[1:18:27] note I wanted to point out tha
[1:18:29] t
[1:18:29] the city-approved rezoning
[1:18:32] petitions of this office complex
[1:18:35] 
[1:18:35] on the southwest corner of wal
[1:18:37] do
[1:18:37] and northeast 8th avenue.
[1:18:39] that was removing old pud and
[1:18:42] going to mixed use, which is
[1:18:44] proposed on this site as well.
[1:18:45] 
[1:18:45] mixed use office residential f
[1:18:56] or
[1:18:56] the blue and outlined in orang
[1:18:58] e.
[1:18:58] the mixed use exists o to the
[1:19:00] east of the site.
[1:19:00] to the north is of course
[1:19:02] citizen's field, and the army
[1:19:05] reserve parcel that has public
[1:19:06] 
[1:19:06] facilities, pf future land use
[1:19:09] ,
[1:19:09] and to the west is more mixed
[1:19:13] use residential use.
[1:19:16] and the proposed future use is
[1:19:19] 
[1:19:19] urban mixed use.
[1:19:21] just comparing a little bit
[1:19:23] between the descriptions in the
[1:19:26] 
[1:19:26] comprehensive plan for urban
[1:19:27] mixed use and the mixed use
[1:19:30] office residential category.
[1:19:32] here is the mixed use office
[1:19:36] residential description.
[1:19:38] allowing for more development.
[1:19:55] 
[1:19:55] you'll see in the re-zoning
[1:20:00] petition, the u6 zoning allows
[1:20:02] 
[1:20:02] up to 50 units per acre, which
[1:20:05] 
[1:20:05] is requested for the rezoning.
[1:20:07] 
[1:20:07] for height, mixed use is limit
[1:20:09] ed
[1:20:09] to three stories max yum, and
[1:20:11] urban mixed use allows four
[1:20:13] stories by rate, and five if
[1:20:16] granted with a high bonus for
[1:20:18] affordable housing or other
[1:20:20] bonuses.
[1:20:20] here's the description for urb
[1:20:22] an
[1:20:22] mixed use.
[1:20:22] as I said, up to 60 units per
[1:20:24] acre.
[1:20:24] allows for residential office
[1:20:28] retail, essentially more
[1:20:30] commercial uses at the site wit
[1:20:32] h
[1:20:32] urban mixed use.
[1:20:45] mor compatibility buffers or
[1:20:54] land-use buffers, that identify
[1:20:57] 
[1:20:57] minimum requirements for the
[1:21:00] separation of land uses, so the
[1:21:01] 
[1:21:01] table is read with the a-- or
[1:21:04] the subject property on the lef
[1:21:05] t
[1:21:05] x then the abutting property o
[1:21:07] n
[1:21:07] the top, so, you'll see that
[1:21:10] with the subject property, if I
[1:21:12] t
[1:21:12] were to be changed to urban
[1:21:14] mixed use and the abutting
[1:21:17] property having mixed-use
[1:21:19] residential, a type-a buffer
[1:21:22] would be applied to the
[1:21:24] remaining portion.
[1:21:25] currently, of course, no come
[1:21:27] bability buffers are required
[1:21:29] because the whole block is mix
[1:21:31] ed
[1:21:31] use residential, but with this
[1:21:34] 
[1:21:34] change a type a buffer would b
[1:21:35] e
[1:21:35] applied, and I'm showing some o
[1:21:37] f
[1:21:37] the detailed language for what
[1:21:39] 
[1:21:39] the buffer would entail, which
[1:21:41] 
[1:21:41] includes landscaping, shade
[1:21:43] trees and an additional
[1:21:44] distance, if you will.
[1:21:50] staff reviewed and pound it
[1:21:52] meets the criteria for future
[1:21:56] land use change outlined in the
[1:21:59] 
[1:21:59] comprehensive plan, and of the
[1:22:05] 
[1:22:05] land development code.
[1:22:06] it allows a mix of uses and
[1:22:08] supports infill and
[1:22:10] redevelopment of the vacant
[1:22:11] site.
[1:22:11] it is a site that's well
[1:22:13] connected to existing facilitie
[1:22:15] s
[1:22:15] and services, including
[1:22:17] sidewalks on both sides o
[1:22:18] northeast 8th avenue, and land uses --
[1:22:26] 
[1:22:26] mixed use and mixed use office
[1:22:26] 
[1:22:26] residential.
[1:22:26] [indistinct] there are no
[1:22:28] significant environmental
[1:22:30] resources or wetlands on the
[1:22:32] property as well.
[1:22:34] more details on the petition
[1:22:36] meeting review criteria found I
[1:22:38] n
[1:22:38] the staff report.
[1:22:39] staff recommends based on the
[1:22:42] analysis that we recommend
[1:22:44] approval of the petition
[1:22:46] ld25-000124, the chestnut ne 8t
[1:22:53] h land use change, and at
[1:22:55] the city plan board meeting, t
[1:22:56] he
[1:22:56] plan board recommended approval
[1:22:57] 
[1:22:57] of the petition.
[1:23:00] the applicant is here and has a
[1:23:02] 
[1:23:02] presentation if you'd like, but
[1:23:03] 
[1:23:03] I'm here to answer any
[1:23:04] questions.
[1:23:04] >> mayor: very good, thank
[1:23:08] you.
[1:23:08] would the applicant want to giv
[1:23:11] e
[1:23:11] us a presentation?
[1:23:12] >> good evening, mr. Mayor, and
[1:23:19] 
[1:23:19] commissioners.
[1:23:19] I'm clay swayinger representin
[1:23:24] g
[1:23:24] the property tonight.
[1:23:25] I'd like to make com comments a
[1:23:29] bout
[1:23:29] the land use and zoning, and
[1:23:30] answer questions you may have.
[1:23:32] 
[1:23:32] this is obviously an area of a
[1:23:35] 
[1:23:35] lot of interest.
[1:23:35] I was with you in the other room
[1:23:38] 
[1:23:38] this afternoon, but it's an
[1:23:39] exciting area, and it's an are
[1:23:41] a
[1:23:41] where revitalization and
[1:23:43] investment is a city priority.
[1:23:46] 
[1:23:46] see the chestnut family's owned
[1:23:48] 
[1:23:48] this property for quite some
[1:23:49] time, and we have been engaged
[1:23:52] 
[1:23:52] to bring to the city a land-use
[1:23:54] map change from mor to umu, and
[1:23:58] 
[1:23:58] the change from zoning from u4
[1:24:01] 
[1:24:01] to u6.
[1:24:02] it's sort of a step up on the
[1:24:05] ladder.
[1:24:05] this is very consistent with t
[1:24:07] he
[1:24:07] approval by the commission for
[1:24:09] 
[1:24:09] the, what's commonly known as
[1:24:11] the former jones edmonds
[1:24:15] property.
[1:24:15] I'm not sure if the guys in the
[1:24:18] 
[1:24:18] back could put this overhead o
[1:24:19] n.
[1:24:19] I think this helps describe the
[1:24:22] 
[1:24:22] area a little bit better.
[1:24:22] it's about 1.4 acres in size
[1:24:30] outlined in red, so in this are
[1:24:32] a
[1:24:32] you have jones edmonds property,
[1:24:35] 
[1:24:35] changed to umu and u6.
[1:24:39] you have city properties to the
[1:24:40] 
[1:24:40] north.
[1:24:40] the armory, east end eatery, t
[1:24:45] he
[1:24:45] firefighter union, baptist
[1:24:49] church west, and a mix of
[1:24:52] residential use to the south.
[1:24:53] you have a lot of different
[1:24:55] mixed uses.
[1:24:56] the properties to the north mul
[1:24:59] ,
[1:24:59] that's one of the older
[1:25:00] designations and the zoning tha
[1:25:02] t
[1:25:02] is mu1, and so obviously back I
[1:25:06] n
[1:25:06] 2017 the city approved the
[1:25:08] zonings for properties around
[1:25:11] town.
[1:25:11] u4 was placed on the property
[1:25:17] with the land use designation.
[1:25:19] 
[1:25:19] this used to be an mu1 property
[1:25:23] 
[1:25:23] and mul property.
[1:25:26] some of the older ant ain't ant
[1:25:35] iquated
[1:25:35] designations.
[1:25:35] the owner held back on that
[1:25:37] idea.
[1:25:37] that was a permitted use for
[1:25:39] decades on this property.
[1:25:41] the u4 and mor does not allow
[1:25:44] that permitted use.
[1:25:45] that's something that the
[1:25:46] property owner is considering,
[1:25:48] 
[1:25:48] just wanted to mention sort of
[1:25:50] a
[1:25:50] little history and why we're  here.
[1:25:51] here.
[1:25:51] there's a reason why someone's
[1:25:53] 
[1:25:53] here before you.
[1:25:54] all this area has been chartered
[1:26:08] 
[1:26:08] out for a mix of uses for highe
[1:26:10] r
[1:26:10] density, so we feel like this
[1:26:12] increase and change would be
[1:26:13] appropriate with the land use
[1:26:14] map that you have on the books
[1:26:18] ,
[1:26:18] along with its location along
[1:26:20] collector city treat.
[1:26:22] so I feel it's very compatible
[1:26:25] 
[1:26:25] with that pattern.
[1:26:27] as far as building height, lan
[1:26:28] d
[1:26:28] use and zoning would allow
[1:26:30] three-story buildings.
[1:26:32] this would allow four-story
[1:26:35] buildings by right.
[1:26:36] we did hold a neighborhood
[1:26:38] workshop in the fall.
[1:26:39] we had one community attendee,
[1:26:41] and they did not have any
[1:26:43] objection to the application.
[1:26:46] we sent out notification to the
[1:26:48] 
[1:26:48] nearby property owners and the
[1:26:50] 
[1:26:50] notification radius, along wit
[1:26:52] h
[1:26:52] registered neighborhood
[1:26:54] associations.
[1:26:54] you're plan back in december
[1:27:00] recommended approval unanimously
[1:27:02] 
[1:27:02] of the change, and your staff I
[1:27:04] s
[1:27:04] recommending approval.
[1:27:05] I preernght that.
[1:27:06] I -- I appreciate that.
[1:27:08] we've got something put together
[1:27:10] 
[1:27:10] that will benefit the community,
[1:27:12] 
[1:27:12] benefit the property, and
[1:27:13] hopefully bring something
[1:27:14] positive to area and continue t
[1:27:15] o
[1:27:15] build on that momentum.
[1:27:17] so, I think with that, I'll
[1:27:20] conclude and answer any
[1:27:22] questions y'all have tonight.
[1:27:23] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:27:24] all right!
[1:27:25] any questions?
[1:27:27] any comments?
[1:27:29] is there any public comment?
[1:27:32] >> yes, mr. Mayor.
[1:27:33] first, we have petria davis.
[1:27:36] 
[1:27:36] >> mayor: welcome.
[1:27:39] >> good afternoon, mayor, and
[1:27:50] commissioners.
[1:27:50] I live 30 feet from the parcel
[1:27:53] 
[1:27:53] being considered for the futur
[1:27:54] e
[1:27:54] land use changed from 4 unit p
[1:27:57] er
[1:27:57] acre to 6 unit per acre.
[1:28:00] I am here today to respectfull
[1:28:02] y
[1:28:02] oppose this change.
[1:28:03] increasing the k density open t
[1:28:11] he
[1:28:11] development far more intense
[1:28:12] than currently exists in our
[1:28:14] neighborhood.
[1:28:14] although the request is tied t
[1:28:17] o
[1:28:17] a funeral home, this could wou
[1:28:19] ld
[1:28:19] allow much larger structure,
[1:28:21] including the possibility of a
[1:28:23] 
[1:28:23] multi-story building extremely
[1:28:26] 
[1:28:26] close to my home that would
[1:28:28] significantly affect my privacy
[1:28:30] ,
[1:28:30] sunlight, and overall quality of
[1:28:31] 
[1:28:31] life.
[1:28:31] this area is a family-oriented
[1:28:34] 
[1:28:34] neighborhood.
[1:28:34] we have children under the age
[1:28:37] 
[1:28:37] of 10 who regularly play
[1:28:40] outside, riding bicycle, playi
[1:28:42] ng
[1:28:42] basketball, and kicking soccer
[1:28:43] 
[1:28:43] balls in the yard.
[1:28:45] introducing a commercial-scale
[1:28:48] 
[1:28:48] facility with increased traffic
[1:28:51] 
[1:28:51] and frequent visitation would
[1:28:53] create safety risks for these
[1:28:55] children who use the street and
[1:28:57] 
[1:28:57] surrounding area daily.
[1:28:58] a funeral home will also be
[1:29:01] additional vehicle trips,
[1:29:03] deliveries of peak time
[1:29:07] congestion within a short time
[1:29:14] 
[1:29:14] conflict of our home.
[1:29:15] beyond safety, placing a
[1:29:17] commercial building so close t
[1:29:18] o
[1:29:18] my property would negatively
[1:29:21] impact my home expral primarily
[1:29:23] 
[1:29:23] change the character of the
[1:29:25] neighborhood.
[1:29:25] for these reasons I respectfull
[1:29:27] y
[1:29:27] ask you not to approve the land
[1:29:31] 
[1:29:31] use change from 4 units to 6
[1:29:33] units.
[1:29:33] thank you for your time and
[1:29:34] consideration.
[1:29:34] >> thank you.
[1:29:35] >> sharon bower.
[1:29:41] >> I have a graphic I'd like t
[1:29:45] o
[1:29:45] project.
[1:29:45] this shows not the zoning, but
[1:29:56] 
[1:29:56] the actual land use.
[1:29:57] here are the chestnut propertie
[1:30:00] s
[1:30:00] here.
[1:30:00] [indistinct] it's surrounded b
[1:30:07] y
[1:30:07] all sides by residential, singl
[1:30:10] e
[1:30:10] family and duplexes.
[1:30:12] most of them, or many of them
[1:30:15] like 40 feet away.
[1:30:16] after december 18th plan board
[1:30:18] 
[1:30:18] meeting, our neighborhood
[1:30:20] association northeast neighbors
[1:30:21] 
[1:30:21] asked why the chestnut familie
[1:30:24] s
[1:30:24] needed to use 6 zoning instead
[1:30:28] 
[1:30:28] of the current 3, and 50 acres
[1:30:30] 
[1:30:30] instead of 20 for their
[1:30:33] northeast avenue property.
[1:30:33] what they were planning that
[1:30:35] they couldn't do under the
[1:30:36] current zoning.
[1:30:37] we got no answer.
[1:30:38] then we saw the table of
[1:30:41] permitted uses in the code of
[1:30:43] ordinances and saw that a
[1:30:48] funeral home, which a sign on
[1:30:52] the site had announced isn't
[1:30:56] allowed in the u4, even with a
[1:30:58] 
[1:30:58] special-use permit.
[1:31:00] it would be allowed by right I
[1:31:02] n
[1:31:02] the proposed u6.
[1:31:04] now that the land use is being
[1:31:07] 
[1:31:07] used to 20 units per acre to
[1:31:09] urban mixed use, 50 units with
[1:31:11] a
[1:31:11] possible 50% density bonus for
[1:31:14] 
[1:31:14] things like tree preservation
[1:31:17] and an extra two stories for
[1:31:19] landscaping and pedestrian
[1:31:21] access.
[1:31:21] instead of the two units and
[1:31:23] three stories allowed, there
[1:31:25] would be 90 units -- there cou
[1:31:27] ld
[1:31:27] be 90 units and seven stories.
[1:31:30] 
[1:31:30] the chestnut property's next a
[1:31:34] 
[1:31:34] church on northeast 8th avenue,
[1:31:36] 
[1:31:36] and it's surrounded on three
[1:31:38] side by residences, 14
[1:31:40] single-family homes, and three
[1:31:42] 
[1:31:42] duplexes.
[1:31:42] the people most likely to suffe
[1:31:47] r
[1:31:47] the most negative impact on
[1:31:50] their property values, if a
[1:31:51] funeral home or a seven-story,
[1:31:54] 
[1:31:54] 90-unit apartment building is
[1:31:57] built, or the owners of the
[1:32:00] single-family homes that were
[1:32:05] built in 200 #9 by the housing
[1:32:09] 
[1:32:09] and neighborhood corporation.
[1:32:10] the only one that has changed
[1:32:12] hands was sold in 2024.
[1:32:14] I'm sure that you if you lived
[1:32:17] 
[1:32:17] in a residential neighborhood,
[1:32:19] 
[1:32:19] just single family and d duple
[1:32:23] xes,
[1:32:23] would you not be happy having a
[1:32:27] 
[1:32:27] funeral home there.
[1:32:28] that is why we are requesting
[1:32:30] that you delay action on this
[1:32:32] and hold a neighborhood
[1:32:34] workshop.
[1:32:34] there's been some confusion.
[1:32:37] people didn't understand the
[1:32:38] implications and the postcard
[1:32:40] they got about today said it
[1:32:43] would be voted on as early as
[1:32:45] 10:00 a.m., so people thought
[1:32:47] they were supposed to come thi
[1:32:48] s
[1:32:48] morning and they couldn't,
[1:32:49] because they're working, so
[1:32:51] please, please listen to the
[1:32:52] people in this neighborhood
[1:32:53] because this is going -- you
[1:32:55] would not want this across the
[1:32:56] 
[1:32:56] street from you.
[1:32:57] >> that was our last speaker,
[1:33:04] mr. Mayor.
[1:33:06] >> mayor: commissioner book.
[1:33:07] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:33:09] such an interesting avenue
[1:33:12] because we have so many
[1:33:13] components going on, we
[1:33:14] discussed it today.
[1:33:16] we talking about mlk and the
[1:33:19] citizen's field.
[1:33:20] the way we develop the roadway
[1:33:22] 
[1:33:22] and the resurfacing, and land
[1:33:25] use and zoning right in there.
[1:33:27] 
[1:33:27] I wish sometimes we were able t
[1:33:29] o
[1:33:29] consider them all together, and
[1:33:32] 
[1:33:32] it's very difficult to do that
[1:33:33] 
[1:33:33] because one piece holds up
[1:33:35] another piece, and there's a lot
[1:33:36] 
[1:33:36] of dominoes in that regard.
[1:33:38] I had a couple questions.
[1:33:39] this is probably for city staff
[1:33:43] ,
[1:33:43] but in driving down the
[1:33:45] ne 8th avenue and looking at t
[1:33:47] he
[1:33:47] map there are two large parcels,
[1:33:49] 
[1:33:49] and it does not affect the
[1:33:50] second parcel, and they're
[1:33:54] identical.
[1:33:54] this is one parcel that's about
[1:33:57] 
[1:33:57] 1.5 acres plus.
[1:33:58] is that right?
[1:34:00] >> that's right.
[1:34:06] so, there's four parcels in
[1:34:09] consideration for the future
[1:34:11] land use change in the rezoning.
[1:34:14] 
[1:34:14] I'll go back to the map that
[1:34:18] shows the parcels, but
[1:34:22] generally, it's considered --
[1:34:23] there's three parcels actually,
[1:34:25] 
[1:34:25] sort of fronting northeast
[1:34:29] 8th avenue.
[1:34:29] >> so the land use clang in this
[1:34:32] 
[1:34:32] particular case, as it's
[1:34:33] currently situated, could not
[1:34:35] have a funeral home and has to
[1:34:36] 
[1:34:36] change if that was a potential
[1:34:38] 
[1:34:38] use that the applicant was
[1:34:40] interested in.
[1:34:41] >> that's correct.
[1:34:41] so with the current urban 4
[1:34:46] district does not allow funeral
[1:34:47] 
[1:34:47] homes by right.
[1:34:48] it's not a permitted use in u4.
[1:34:51] the u6 zoning district does I
[1:34:54] law for funeral homes.
[1:34:55] >> my last question is more jus
[1:34:57] t
[1:34:57] a comment.
[1:34:57] we talked about engagement.
[1:34:59] there's always a big differenc
[1:35:01] e
[1:35:01] between engagement in the
[1:35:05] business area because there's
[1:35:07] not a lot of homes around there
[1:35:08] .
[1:35:08] so the people we get more
[1:35:10] feedback in are more intereste
[1:35:13] d
[1:35:13] in the commercial enterprise,
[1:35:15] but the northeast 8th avenue h
[1:35:17] as
[1:35:17] residents all the way down fro
[1:35:19] m
[1:35:19] really from here all the way t
[1:35:23] o
[1:35:23] horizon and to our school there
[1:35:24] .
[1:35:24] so always want to make sure we
[1:35:26] 
[1:35:26] have a really good feedback fro
[1:35:29] m
[1:35:29] the folks who are most impacte
[1:35:33] d.
[1:35:33] we had one person attend the
[1:35:34] feedback.
[1:35:34] we talked about having
[1:35:37] engagement related to the
[1:35:39] roadway.
[1:35:39] I don't want to complicate
[1:35:42] things.
[1:35:42] it's always good to have that
[1:35:44] type of engagement, as far as
[1:35:46] people impacted, and this abuts
[1:35:48] 
[1:35:48] business and single family.
[1:35:50] that's just my comment.
[1:35:51] thank you for the work.
[1:35:52] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:35:54] >> mayor: thank you.
[1:35:55] commission willis?
[1:35:56] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:35:57] so this is -- I'm a little
[1:36:01] shocked that a funeral home is
[1:36:03] 
[1:36:03] not allowed in u4 but allowed I
[1:36:06] n
[1:36:06] u6.
[1:36:06] I would imagine funeral home I
[1:36:09] s
[1:36:09] almost a very  suburban-ish in
[1:36:14] 
[1:36:14] nature.
[1:36:14] it is not really urban use, in
[1:36:19] 
[1:36:19] my mind.
[1:36:20] so why is it -- can you chart a
[1:36:23] 
[1:36:23] little bit more -- that's later
[1:36:24] .
[1:36:24] I'll wait for my zoning until
[1:36:27] the actual zoning.
[1:36:28] 
[1:36:28] so I know that there was
[1:36:30] reference that we did change t
[1:36:33] he
[1:36:33] land use of some of the parcels
[1:36:34] 
[1:36:34] or I think a couple of the
[1:36:36] parcels in the very far
[1:36:38] northeast of this intersection
[1:36:39] 
[1:36:39] with waldo and 8th very
[1:36:43] recently, but this does feel a
[1:36:46] 
[1:36:46] little bit like putting the
[1:36:47] carpet before the horse.
[1:36:48] everything next door is zoned,
[1:36:50] 
[1:36:50] but it's also a big, huge,
[1:36:52] mostly vacant parcels, right, t
[1:36:55] o
[1:36:55] the east right now.
[1:36:57] largely vacant?
[1:36:58] >> to the east, I believe -- I
[1:37:02] 
[1:37:02] can't speak to the current
[1:37:03] status of whether they're --
[1:37:07] whether they're in use actively
[1:37:11] 
[1:37:11] or not, but you're correct tha
[1:37:12] t
[1:37:12] the land use and zoning did
[1:37:15] change from a pud over to the
[1:37:19] zones on that corner.
[1:37:20] >> I'm sure if the future, to
[1:37:22] commissioner book's point, whe
[1:37:24] n
[1:37:24] we're looking at 8th avenue,
[1:37:26] we're looking at some traffic
[1:37:28] numbers.
[1:37:28] it's not nearly as much as one
[1:37:30] 
[1:37:30] of the other sections, but all
[1:37:33] 
[1:37:33] of that corner, outside of wha
[1:37:34] t
[1:37:34] we're talking about today.
[1:37:34] if all that developed in a way
[1:37:36] 
[1:37:36] that would perhaps have more
[1:37:37] housing or commerce or mix, muc
[1:37:40] h
[1:37:40] more intense, that would chang
[1:37:41] e  some of
[1:37:41] some of the traffic on 8th.
[1:37:42] so, I understand this is right
[1:37:46] 
[1:37:46] next to it, which that's kind o
[1:37:50] f
[1:37:50] that sequential.
[1:37:51] we did one of these up on
[1:37:54] northwest 16th, I believe,
[1:37:56] behind the cvs, just one small
[1:37:59] 
[1:37:59] parcel, and we barely increased
[1:38:01] the
[1:38:01] the intensity, and that was
[1:38:03] quite a conversation.
[1:38:05] that was right next to something
[1:38:07] 
[1:38:07] that had been zoned for decades
[1:38:09] ,
[1:38:09] at least two decades, and just
[1:38:12] 
[1:38:12] the one next parcel, about hal
[1:38:15] f
[1:38:15] an acre.
[1:38:16] so, seems -- it makes sense if
[1:38:19] 
[1:38:19] you're talking about developing
[1:38:20] 
[1:38:20] the whole corner, but, I
[1:38:24] appreciate that the larger map
[1:38:25] 
[1:38:25] that mr. Swageer shows, where I
[1:38:31] t
[1:38:31] transitions to -- if we could
[1:38:33] show that, broadcast that
[1:38:36] overhead.
[1:38:36] we are the oldest single famil
[1:38:39] y
[1:38:39] is on the farther west and sou
[1:38:40] th
[1:38:40] side.
[1:38:40] the section, the middle that I
[1:38:43] s
[1:38:43] mixed office resident -- mor I
[1:38:47] s
[1:38:47] not -- mixed use office
[1:38:50] residential.
[1:38:50] that's where it lies.
[1:38:52] this helps give me a little mor
[1:38:54] e
[1:38:54] context for it.
[1:38:55] 
[1:38:55] seems like it's a little -- I
[1:39:04] would wait until the other
[1:39:05] properties got developed to see
[1:39:07] 
[1:39:07] what the demand is in the area
[1:39:10] 
[1:39:10] for land use because that mixed
[1:39:12] 
[1:39:12] op is clearly we're allowed to
[1:39:14] 
[1:39:14] have single family in the mixed
[1:39:17] 
[1:39:17] use office residential?
[1:39:19] >> in urban 4 and urban 6 do
[1:39:24] allow dominate.
[1:39:25] >> in the mixed use office,
[1:39:28] that's why we have some of the
[1:39:30] 
[1:39:30] homes in southeast 12th street
[1:39:34] .
[1:39:34] that's all I got for now.
[1:39:35] thank you.
[1:39:36] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:39:37] commissioner willis.
[1:39:38] would anyone like to make a
[1:39:40] motion?
[1:39:40] 
[1:39:40] commissioner book.
[1:39:45] >> I'd like to ask one more
[1:39:47] question.
[1:39:47] this is really for the city
[1:39:48] manager.
[1:39:48] I hate to complicate things.
[1:39:52] is there any benefit in us not
[1:39:54] 
[1:39:54] kicking the can down the road,
[1:39:56] 
[1:39:56] but getting the same feedback
[1:39:58] we're about to get from probabl
[1:40:00] y
[1:40:00] a lot of people for that
[1:40:01] corridor because this is the
[1:40:02] exact same stretch of road we're
[1:40:05] 
[1:40:05] about to get feedback on befor
[1:40:07] e
[1:40:07] or from your perspective,
[1:40:09] mr. Manager -- [indistinct] two
[1:40:13] 
[1:40:13] very different situations, but
[1:40:14] 
[1:40:14] they're in the same geography.
[1:40:18] 
[1:40:18] >> mr. Mayor, I would say that
[1:40:20] 
[1:40:20] really kind of separate, two
[1:40:22] separate issues.
[1:40:23] I did also kind of want to
[1:40:27] clarify one, somewhat wonky
[1:40:30] aspect, of the discussion about
[1:40:32] 
[1:40:32] the allowance for a funeral
[1:40:35] home.
[1:40:35] urban 4 zoning in the list of
[1:40:38] permitted uses allows for
[1:40:40] personal services, which that
[1:40:42] definition includes funeral
[1:40:44] homes, so actually that urban 4
[1:40:47] 
[1:40:47] does allow funeral homes, just
[1:40:52] not specific called-out use.
[1:40:53] it's a little bit in the weeds
[1:41:04] .
[1:41:04] not something that jumps out
[1:41:05] unless you're reading through
[1:41:07] definition.
[1:41:07] >> so why do we need the land
[1:41:09] use change?
[1:41:10] >> -- [indistinct] #
[1:41:29] 
[1:41:29] >> mayor: ms. Bower -- you had
[1:41:34] 
[1:41:34] your opportunities.
[1:41:35] >> the question was important
[1:41:39] since you brought it up.
[1:41:40] why do we need the land use
[1:41:42] change?
[1:41:42] 
[1:41:42] >> I'll take a swipe at it.
[1:41:50] >> the manager's correct in tha
[1:41:52] t
[1:41:52] embedded in the definition
[1:41:54] personal services, but then
[1:41:55] there's the use table that
[1:41:57] doesn't have funeral home as a
[1:42:00] 
[1:42:00] permitted use in u4, so there's
[1:42:03] 
[1:42:03] conflicted information.
[1:42:04] so, I'll let the city planning
[1:42:07] 
[1:42:07] director say more, but that was
[1:42:09] 
[1:42:09] the response I wanted to give t
[1:42:10] o
[1:42:10] you all.
[1:42:12] >> good evening.
[1:42:12] thank you all.
[1:42:13] director of sustainable
[1:42:14] development.
[1:42:14] the u6 designation also include
[1:42:19] s
[1:42:19] crematory, which is an important
[1:42:21] 
[1:42:21] adoition that funeral home and
[1:42:23] 
[1:42:23] the personal services definitio
[1:42:25] n
[1:42:25] there.
[1:42:25] >> so really largely that u6 I
[1:42:31] s
[1:42:31] again additional options or
[1:42:32] opportunities for those
[1:42:34] commercial practices.
[1:42:35] >> very good.
[1:42:38] >> mayor: commissioner book.
[1:42:40] >> I know this merely because w
[1:42:43] e
[1:42:43] have someone on the dais --
[1:42:46] makes us feel a little bit
[1:42:48] awkward, but we apply the same
[1:42:51] 
[1:42:51] standards regardless of who's
[1:42:52] involved, and those standards
[1:42:53] are related to the comprehensi
[1:42:55] ve
[1:42:55] plan.
[1:42:55] and if it's substantially in
[1:42:58] compliance with the conference
[1:42:59] 
[1:42:59] of plan, then by law, not even
[1:43:01] 
[1:43:01] by opinion, by law we have to
[1:43:05] move forward at least one of
[1:43:07] these.
[1:43:07] so, with that, I move approval
[1:43:10] 
[1:43:10] of 202-5994 and adopt the
[1:43:13] proposed land use change.
[1:43:14] >> second.
[1:43:16] >> mayor: motion and a second.
[1:43:17] 
[1:43:17] commissioner willis.
[1:43:18] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[1:43:21] I know we're getting to zoning
[1:43:23] 
[1:43:23] in a minute, but some of this I
[1:43:25] s
[1:43:25] helping us understand what is
[1:43:26] allowed in different land uses.
[1:43:28] 
[1:43:28] I will say I think it's crazy
[1:43:30] that a crematory's allowed in u
[1:43:33] 6
[1:43:33] and not u4 because higher up t
[1:43:36] he
[1:43:36] sect is more urban in nature.
[1:43:38] does not make a lot of sense to
[1:43:39] 
[1:43:39] me, but thank you between the
[1:43:41] manager and mr. [indistinct]
[1:43:45] clarifying it.
[1:43:46] same way talking about hospita
[1:43:47] ls
[1:43:47] and medical services.
[1:43:48] sometimes it's -- the details
[1:43:50] are lost in there somewhere wha
[1:43:52] t
[1:43:52] allowed and what isn't allowed.
[1:43:54] 
[1:43:54] thank you for clarifying that.
[1:43:56] 
[1:43:56] so, yeah, that is -- I'm still
[1:44:00] a
[1:44:00] little shocked that we allow I
[1:44:04] t,
[1:44:04] that our zoning code crematory
[1:44:08] 
[1:44:08] in u6 when I was hearing in a
[1:44:11] different county, union county,
[1:44:13] 
[1:44:13] the conversation was in a rural
[1:44:15] 
[1:44:15] area, people thought it was too
[1:44:17] 
[1:44:17] close to homes, let alone close
[1:44:19] 
[1:44:19] to what -- the rest of u6 is
[1:44:21] zoned up to 60 verses or 50
[1:44:25] units per acre plus with
[1:44:27] potential bonuses, putting a
[1:44:30] crematory that close to even
[1:44:31] more people.
[1:44:32] I'm having a hard time
[1:44:33] understanding how this got int
[1:44:35] o
[1:44:35] that portion of our comp plan,
[1:44:39] 
[1:44:39] unless it was completely
[1:44:40] ignored.
[1:44:40] I would think crematories and
[1:44:43] stuff in general should be in
[1:44:44] the more rural area you can
[1:44:45] make, or industrial areas, chi
[1:44:48] which
[1:44:49] I know that's common.
[1:44:50] thank you.
[1:44:51] that's all I have.
[1:44:52] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:44:54] commissioner will is.
[1:44:57] please call the roll.
[1:44:58] 
[1:45:12] >> mayor: that passes
[1:45:20] unanimously with commissioner
[1:45:21] chestnut abstaining.
[1:45:23] good, commissioner book.
[1:45:26] >> I want a statement released.
[1:45:28] 
[1:45:28] this first half is since we wi
[1:45:30] ll
[1:45:30] be doing some community
[1:45:31] engagement, we already have the
[1:45:33] 
[1:45:33] week we've done extensive types
[1:45:35] 
[1:45:35] of engagement related to the
[1:45:38] northeast 8th avenue, the mlk
[1:45:40] center, citizen's field.
[1:45:42] when we end up sending out mor
[1:45:44] e
[1:45:44] information about the northeast
[1:45:46] 
[1:45:46] avenue corridor.
[1:45:50] certainly not complicating the
[1:45:52] 
[1:45:52] matter, providing additional
[1:45:54] information about all the
[1:45:55] components going on so all the
[1:45:58] 
[1:45:58] people want to weigh in.
[1:45:59] would that be problematic?
[1:46:01] >> I guess, can you clarify wha
[1:46:05] t
[1:46:05] you're asking that we would
[1:46:06] notify about?
[1:46:06] >> sure, for the last two years
[1:46:13] ,
[1:46:13] we've been talking about
[1:46:14] citizen's field, and we've got
[1:46:16] 
[1:46:16] information out many, many times
[1:46:17] 
[1:46:17] in many different ways.
[1:46:18] earlier today we had the
[1:46:19] northeast 8th avenue, the
[1:46:21] roadway, and everything we're
[1:46:22] doing, and clearly we're going
[1:46:24] 
[1:46:24] to focus on what neighbors and
[1:46:26] 
[1:46:26] businesses feel like around
[1:46:27] there and our faith-based
[1:46:29] community, and here we have a
[1:46:31] third component right there in
[1:46:32] 
[1:46:32] the same area, and it seem to m
[1:46:35] e
[1:46:35] it would be to our benefit, eve
[1:46:36] n
[1:46:36] if we're not asking for input t
[1:46:38] o
[1:46:38] provide as much information
[1:46:39] about all the things we know
[1:46:40] that are going on in an area.
[1:46:57] does that clarify a little bit?
[1:47:01] 
[1:47:01] >> yes, I believe so.
[1:47:02] 
[1:47:02] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:47:05] commissioner book.
[1:47:09] >> mr. Mayor, we're on to
[1:47:13] ordinance 2025-995, ordinance o
[1:47:16] f
[1:47:16] the city of gainesville,
[1:47:17] florida, amending the zoning
[1:47:19] atlas by rezoning 1.3 acres of
[1:47:22] 
[1:47:22] property generally located at
[1:47:24] the  1200 block of northeast
[1:47:27] 8th avenue.
[1:47:38] >> this is the rezoning of the
[1:47:49] 
[1:47:49] chestnut petition.
[1:47:53] so this is the same area we wer
[1:47:55] e
[1:47:55] just discussing.
[1:47:57] the portion that we're
[1:47:58] discussing now is the urban 6
[1:48:03] area going from u4 to u6, and
[1:48:05] same area we are discussing.
[1:48:07] here you can see -- I'll pause
[1:48:10] 
[1:48:10] for a second to talk about the
[1:48:12] 
[1:48:12] zoning districts, so as you can
[1:48:14] 
[1:48:14] see in the blue urban 4 being
[1:48:17] the subject property and u6
[1:48:20] existing on the east side, so
[1:48:25] east of the subject properties
[1:48:26] 
[1:48:26] to the south, there's more urb
[1:48:28] an
[1:48:28] 4 zoning and to the west is
[1:48:30] urban 3 zoning.
[1:48:33] to the north with citizen's
[1:48:36] field being public service, and
[1:48:40] 
[1:48:40] mu1 being to the north as well.
[1:48:41] 
[1:48:41] and urban 6 is the proposed
[1:48:45] zoning district for this, and
[1:48:47] I'll get a little bit into the
[1:48:49] 
[1:48:49] table with the permitted uses t
[1:48:53] o
[1:48:53] explain a little bit more
[1:48:54] between u4 and u6, so, for thi
[1:48:58] s
[1:48:58] table you can see the uses
[1:49:00] listed on the left.
[1:49:01] those are uses just directly
[1:49:03] from the land development code
[1:49:04] 
[1:49:04] of what is permitted, not
[1:49:07] permitted, or allowed by
[1:49:08] accessory, or allowed with a
[1:49:10] special-use permit.
[1:49:12] you can see the columns with u
[1:49:13] 
[1:49:13] u4 -- what's allowed is p with
[1:49:16] a
[1:49:17] permitted, allowed by accessory
[1:49:20] 
[1:49:20] a, and also the column for u6.
[1:49:23] 
[1:49:23] so I'll click through some of
[1:49:24] these.
[1:49:24] I've also highlighted in blue
[1:49:28] where with the rezoning going
[1:49:30] from u4 to u6.
[1:49:32] if it's blue that means it is
[1:49:35] now permitted in u6.
[1:49:36] if they're rezoning carries
[1:49:39] forward.
[1:49:39] in the orange it would no longer
[1:49:42] 
[1:49:42] be permitted in u6.
[1:49:44] you'll see there's all blues a
[1:49:46] s
[1:49:46] far as the change from u4 to u
[1:49:49] 6
[1:49:49] is considered.
[1:49:49] so there would be no, I guess,
[1:49:53] 
[1:49:53] loss of a permitted use if you
[1:49:55] 
[1:49:55] will, and this just captures t
[1:49:56] he
[1:49:56] non-residential uses.
[1:49:58] I have another table going ove
[1:50:01] r
[1:50:01] density in the residential
[1:50:02] component.
[1:50:02] just clicking through.
[1:50:05] as I explained previously, u6
[1:50:07] zoning allows for more
[1:50:09] non-residential uses, including
[1:50:11] 
[1:50:11] commercial and retail uses by
[1:50:13] right.
[1:50:13] so you can see as I click
[1:50:14] through things like restaurant
[1:50:16] 
[1:50:16] and retail sales would be  al
[1:50:17] allowed by right with the p?
[1:50:22] in
[1:50:25] u6 zoning.
[1:50:25] 
[1:50:40] going from u4 to u6, that would
[1:50:45] 
[1:50:45] be changing from 20 to 50 units
[1:50:47] 
[1:50:47] per acre.
[1:50:47] just to note that the subject
[1:50:50] area that is being considered
[1:50:51] for rezoning is 1.38 acres, so,
[1:50:54] 
[1:50:54] at 50 units per acre, that's 69
[1:50:57] 
[1:50:57] units maximum.
[1:50:59] we've discussed the maximum
[1:51:02] stories going from u4 allows
[1:51:05] three stories by right.
[1:51:06] u6 allows four stories by right
[1:51:11] ,
[1:51:11] and five with a bonus for tree
[1:51:14] 
[1:51:14] preservation or things like
[1:51:16] affordable housing.
[1:51:17] maximum height is listed there
[1:51:19] 
[1:51:19] as well, and there would be an
[1:51:22] 
[1:51:22] increased in required glazing.
[1:51:24] 
[1:51:24] changing from u4 to u6 dependi
[1:51:27] ng
[1:51:27] on the type of project that's
[1:51:28] proposed, additional treatments
[1:51:29] 
[1:51:29] to the urban forum, like
[1:51:33] sidewalk improvements or
[1:51:36] material improvements, dependi
[1:51:38] ng
[1:51:38] on the project, may also be
[1:51:39] imposed with different uses
[1:51:42] being allowed at the site.
[1:51:43] but generally, setbacks,
[1:51:47] building placement and buildin
[1:51:49] g
[1:51:49] frontage, all would remain the
[1:51:51] 
[1:51:51] same between u4 and u6, and tha
[1:51:54] t
[1:51:54] should remain the same.
[1:51:55] I can also talk about urban fiv
[1:51:58] e
[1:51:58] should you have any questions,
[1:52:00] 
[1:52:00] have some notes for that, if y
[1:52:02] ou
[1:52:02] are interested.
[1:52:02] so, with the proposed zoning
[1:52:06] staff reviewed the petition
[1:52:11] based on the criteria in the
[1:52:14] land development code.
[1:52:15] the u6 zoning district is
[1:52:18] compatible with the sownding
[1:52:19] uses, and allowed intensity and
[1:52:21] 
[1:52:21] density.
[1:52:21] u6 zoning exists to the east o
[1:52:23] f
[1:52:23] the subject property and many o
[1:52:25] f
[1:52:25] the u6 permitted uses are
[1:52:27] similar to those in the u4
[1:52:29] zoning district, with some of
[1:52:31] those additional non-residenti
[1:52:33] al
[1:52:33] allowances I mentioned.
[1:52:34] the proposed rezoning also
[1:52:36] conformed to an additional set
[1:52:38] 
[1:52:38] of criteria, the transect zone
[1:52:43] 
[1:52:43] criteria.
[1:52:43] it establishes a logical
[1:52:48] extension of the existing u6 t
[1:52:49] o
[1:52:49] the exist.
[1:52:50] a more urban transect zone is
[1:52:54] appropriate considering the
[1:52:55] interest in development in thi
[1:52:57] s
[1:52:57] area, and the improvements the
[1:52:58] 
[1:52:58] city's making to the corridor.
[1:53:01] 
[1:53:01] if development at the property
[1:53:05] 
[1:53:05] occurs the urban transect zone
[1:53:08] 
[1:53:08] standards would require
[1:53:09] additional glazing, and
[1:53:10] depending on the type of proje
[1:53:14] ct
[1:53:14] more material standards or oth
[1:53:15] er
[1:53:15] things may also be applied.
[1:53:17] I also wanted to mention the u
[1:53:23] 6
[1:53:23] zoning district would come int
[1:53:25] o
[1:53:25] play with the inclusionary
[1:53:28] zoning requirement, so going
[1:53:29] from u4 to u6.
[1:53:31] u6 is one of the zoning distric
[1:53:34] t
[1:53:34] that is would require
[1:53:35] inclusionary zoning if the
[1:53:37] property were developed with
[1:53:38] over 50 units.
[1:53:40] and I think that is all that I
[1:53:41] 
[1:53:41] have to say.
[1:53:42] staff recommends approval of
[1:53:45] ld25- 000125, and the plan boa
[1:53:53] rd
[1:53:53] recommended approval of the
[1:53:54] petition.
[1:53:54] here for any questions you hav
[1:53:56] e.
[1:53:56] >> mayor: very good.
[1:53:57] thank you.
[1:53:58] applicant have anything to add
[1:53:59] ?
[1:54:10] if you have questions for me,  I'
[1:54:13] I'm glad to answer them.
[1:54:13] with the umu land use, you nee
[1:54:16] d
[1:54:16] to consider a new zoning, and u
[1:54:18] 6
[1:54:18] is one of the lower tier,
[1:54:20] less-intense zoning options tha
[1:54:23] t
[1:54:23] you have.
[1:54:23] I did want to mention too, in
[1:54:28] the back to our previous
[1:54:29] conversation a few minutes ago
[1:54:31] 
[1:54:31] at our neighborhood workshop, w
[1:54:33] e
[1:54:33] did make an extra effort to lay
[1:54:35] 
[1:54:35] out the table to show what use
[1:54:37] s
[1:54:37] are allowed, what's not allowed,
[1:54:40] 
[1:54:40] what are the changes.
[1:54:42] we were clear and announced tha
[1:54:44] t
[1:54:44] the funeral home is a
[1:54:47] possibility.
[1:54:47] we're trying to be transparent
[1:54:49] 
[1:54:49] about this, but, of course, you
[1:54:50] 
[1:54:50] all have to consider all the
[1:54:51] uses that are allowed in u6, a
[1:54:53] nd
[1:54:53] we really think it's compatibl
[1:54:55] e
[1:54:55] with that overall map pattern w
[1:54:58] e
[1:54:58] had discussed a few minutes ago
[1:54:59] .
[1:54:59] if you have any questions for
[1:55:00] me, I would be glad to answer
[1:55:03] --
[1:55:03] one last thing too.
[1:55:04] I think the neighbor who was
[1:55:07] here and left, if a project
[1:55:10] comes sphward they'll have to
[1:55:11] --
[1:55:11] forward, stl they'll have to d
[1:55:15] o a
[1:55:16] site plan review, and most
[1:55:17] likely neighborhood workshop.
[1:55:18] I'm sure this project would tak
[1:55:20] e
[1:55:20] into consideration local stree
[1:55:21] ts
[1:55:21] and neighbors and zoning code
[1:55:24] allows -- I'm sorry, it require
[1:55:26] s
[1:55:26] buildings to be fronting the
[1:55:28] primary street, addressing the
[1:55:29] 
[1:55:29] street, which is 8th avenue, a
[1:55:32] nd
[1:55:32] so the concentration of any
[1:55:34] development on this property I
[1:55:35] s
[1:55:35] going to be towards the more
[1:55:37] primary street and away from t
[1:55:39] he
[1:55:39] residential area to the south.
[1:55:42] 
[1:55:42] certainly aware of that issue.
[1:55:43] 
[1:55:43] thank you.
[1:55:44] >> mayor: thank you,
[1:55:45] mr. Swager.
[1:55:47] I would point out also that ha
[1:55:51] s
[1:55:51] been alluded, it's our decision
[1:55:58] 
[1:55:58] tonight to allow a particular
[1:55:59] use.
[1:55:59] whether to allow the different
[1:56:01] 
[1:56:01] zoning.
[1:56:01] not what will go in that, on
[1:56:06] these lots.
[1:56:07] that is for a future question.
[1:56:10] 
[1:56:10] tonight's question is, will we
[1:56:12] 
[1:56:12] allow the zoning to move forwa
[1:56:14] rd
[1:56:14] as requested?
[1:56:15] commissioner willits.
[1:56:20] >> questions about u5 instead o
[1:56:24] f
[1:56:24] u6.
[1:56:24] u5 is allow inside thi
[1:56:28] >> it's actually not.
[1:56:32] skipping to 6, what about 5. D
[1:56:41] on't have my laptop.
[1:56:41] it's at it, but I have my
[1:56:44] phone -- the better question.
[1:56:46] what are the other zonings
[1:56:47] allowed?
[1:56:47] that's kind of what I was
[1:56:50] looking at.
[1:56:51] in the urban mixed use zoning
[1:56:55] district -- sorry, future land
[1:56:57] 
[1:56:57] use category, there are three
[1:56:59] sort of allowable zoning
[1:57:01] districts to choose from that
[1:57:03] would be permitted in that
[1:57:05] category.
[1:57:05] it would be u6, u7, or u8.
[1:57:09] the u5 zoning district is only
[1:57:11] 
[1:57:11] allowed in the mixed-use
[1:57:14] residential future land use
[1:57:16] category, which is primarily
[1:57:18] areas like  sorority row
[1:57:24] surrounding the university tha
[1:57:26] t
[1:57:26] have a unique set of
[1:57:27] circumstances that have
[1:57:28] descriptions of the u5 zoning
[1:57:30] district if you're curious, but
[1:57:32] 
[1:57:32] that is not something that cou
[1:57:33] ld
[1:57:33] be placed in the urban mixed u
[1:57:35] se
[1:57:35] future land category.
[1:57:36] >> I want to remind -- which
[1:57:38] runs are available?
[1:57:40] so then, can you tell me the
[1:57:42] difference between u6.
[1:57:44] typically as you go up, more a
[1:57:46] nd
[1:57:46] more things are allowed and
[1:57:48] permitted, but I wanted to
[1:57:49] double check on a few things.
[1:57:51] drive-through facility is
[1:57:55] allowed and permitted in u6.
[1:57:57] is it permitted in u7 and u8?
[1:58:00] >> I can check that.
[1:58:02] 
[1:58:02] table is limited in its
[1:58:06] research.
[1:58:06] >> it's one that wasn't allowed
[1:58:12] 
[1:58:12] in u4, but it is permitted in
[1:58:14] u6.
[1:58:14] so I'm trying -- in general, I
[1:58:18] 
[1:58:18] know that usually as you go up
[1:58:20] 
[1:58:20] more and more things are
[1:58:21] permitted, but I think some
[1:58:24] things drop out as you get
[1:58:25] closer to u9.
[1:58:27] >> that's correct.
[1:58:28] some uses do drop off as you g
[1:58:29] et
[1:58:29] to the more intensive united d
[1:58:34] t
[1:58:34] zoning districts, but
[1:58:35] drive-through facilities are
[1:58:37] allowed in u6 and through u8.
[1:58:39] >> this is where I get to -- t
[1:58:41] he
[1:58:41] idea of permitting, and I know
[1:58:45] 
[1:58:45] we, on the legislative, somewha
[1:58:47] t
[1:58:47] optional side land use, we
[1:58:49] already at least one time
[1:58:50] around, made that decision, but
[1:58:53] 
[1:58:53] zoning it for that one in
[1:58:55] particular in this specific are
[1:59:01] a
[1:59:01] seems a little crazy that you'd
[1:59:03] 
[1:59:03] have a drive-through facility
[1:59:05] there, and like a lot of these
[1:59:06] 
[1:59:06] other ones, things that don't
[1:59:09] make a lot of sense right there
[1:59:14] .
[1:59:14] so anyways, that's the one tha
[1:59:16] t
[1:59:16] stuck out to me on the list of
[1:59:20] 
[1:59:20] just because it is still jamme
[1:59:24] d
[1:59:24] in next to not very far away
[1:59:26] single-family homes, out of the
[1:59:29] 
[1:59:29] quiet corner.
[1:59:30] up on 8th avenue it's a little
[1:59:31] 
[1:59:31] bit a little more busy and
[1:59:34] denser.
[1:59:34] makessense.
[1:59:34] if you want to build 30 units a
[1:59:38] n
[1:59:38] acre.
[1:59:38] that makes sense to me, put
[1:59:41] people close to what's going t
[1:59:43] o
[1:59:43] be a great park, you know.
[1:59:44] anyways, that's just -- that
[1:59:46] stuck o out to me.
[1:59:47] thank you, mr. Chan.
[1:59:53] >> mayor: any public comment?
[1:59:55] >> yes, ms. Sharon bower.
[1:59:57] >> mayor: welcome, ms. Bower.
[2:00:00] >> I know I'm wasting my breat
[2:00:02] h,
[2:00:02] but I do want to point out tha
[2:00:06] t
[2:00:06] irrespective of how you have
[2:00:08] changed the land use, there is
[2:00:10] 
[2:00:10] this parcel where john phlegmi
[2:00:13] ng
[2:00:13] has put together 7 acres
[2:00:17] fronting a highway to put a
[2:00:19] development there.
[2:00:19] other than the sunny food m
[2:00:22] the east end eatery, and the
[2:00:25] union hall [indistinct] on the
[2:00:27] 
[2:00:27] highway, there is no commercia
[2:00:30] l
[2:00:30] from here all the way to main
[2:00:32] street.
[2:00:32] none.
[2:00:32] so, the use is residential.
[2:00:36] it's all single family and
[2:00:40] duplexes, except for -- santos.
[2:00:44] 
[2:00:44] he had a duplex and built a
[2:00:46] single family.
[2:00:46] that's the highest-density
[2:00:48] thing, other than the housing
[2:00:50] authority down by main street.
[2:00:51] 
[2:00:51] you're destroying neighborhoods
[2:00:55] .
[2:00:55] these are established
[2:00:56] neighborhoods.
[2:00:56] these are duck pond area.
[2:00:59] the appraiser's office calls o
[2:01:03] ur
[2:01:03] neighborhood duck pond area or
[2:01:05] 
[2:01:05] east of duck pond.
[2:01:06] so, I just don't understand why
[2:01:11] 
[2:01:11] iowa would allow -- you would
[2:01:13] allow t
[2:01:13] why you would allow these poor
[2:01:17] 
[2:01:17] people who dreamed of buying a
[2:01:18] 
[2:01:18] home and bought the homes from
[2:01:20] 
[2:01:20] the national -- I mean, from t
[2:01:22] he
[2:01:22] neighborhood housing development
[2:01:23] 
[2:01:23] corporation.
[2:01:23] these five beautiful homes
[2:01:25] there, and single family all
[2:01:28] there, and I don't know, a
[2:01:30] funeral home.
[2:01:30] the table s says you four no, u
[2:01:38] 6
[2:01:38] yes for a funeral home or
[2:01:41] crematorium.
[2:01:41] you don't care about these
[2:01:43] single-family homes.
[2:01:44] they're going to have this
[2:01:46] 40 feet away from them.
[2:01:47] it baffles me.
[2:01:48] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:01:55] ms. Bower.
[2:01:56] commissioner eastman.
[2:01:58] >> whenever these things come
[2:02:09] up, people look at the most
[2:02:10] intensive uses one step above.
[2:02:12] 
[2:02:12] I think about that as we're
[2:02:13] trying to potentially increase
[2:02:15] 
[2:02:15] uses.
[2:02:15] this allows an alcoholic
[2:02:20] beverage establishment.
[2:02:22] the highest use.
[2:02:24] we have u4 4 across the street
[2:02:27] 
[2:02:27] from my house.
[2:02:28] I have u6 in the neighborhoods
[2:02:29] 
[2:02:29] north of mine right behind the
[2:02:31] se
[2:02:31] houses.
[2:02:31] these more-intensive zoning
[2:02:36] districts exist in the very old
[2:02:38] 
[2:02:38] neighborhoods, and this is one
[2:02:39] 
[2:02:39] of those.
[2:02:39] like I said, u6 right next doo
[2:02:42] r
[2:02:42] to it, which is why I feel
[2:02:44] fairly comfortable with where w
[2:02:46] e
[2:02:46] are with it.
[2:02:46] it's a -- there's shops
[2:02:49] nearby, and there's no single --
[2:02:54] 
[2:02:54] [indistinct] single family ove
[2:02:57] r
[2:02:57] to where this would be.
[2:02:58] so there's a bit of a buffer
[2:02:59] there.
[2:02:59] and so I feel very comfortable
[2:03:03] 
[2:03:03] making a motion for ordinance
[2:03:05] no. 2025-995.
[2:03:08] >> mayor: madam clerk, please
[2:03:15] call the role.
[2:03:16] >> commissioner eastman.
[2:03:18] commissioner ingle.
[2:03:22] commissioner duncan-walker.
[2:03:24] mayor ward.
[2:03:26] >> mayor: that passes
[2:03:27] unanimously with commissioner
[2:03:29] chestnut abstaining.
[2:03:30] madam clerk.
[2:03:31] 
[2:03:31] >> mr. Mayor, we're going back
[2:03:39] 
[2:03:39] to ordinances for second
[2:03:41] reading, ordinance no.  2025-60.
[2:03:49] 
[2:04:00] providing directions to the cit
[2:04:06] y
[2:04:06] manager, providing severabilit
[2:04:08] y
[2:04:08] clause, providing a repealing
[2:04:10] clause, and providing an
[2:04:11] effective date.
[2:04:11] >> mayor: thank you, madam
[2:04:13] clerk.
[2:04:13] commissioner willits.
[2:04:17] >> no further questions from m
[2:04:21] y
[2:04:21] colleagues.
[2:04:21] I move adoption on second
[2:04:22] reading 2025-760.
[2:04:26] >> aye.
[2:04:27] >> second.
[2:04:27] >> mayor: motion and a second.
[2:04:28] 
[2:04:28] any public comment?
[2:04:29] >> no public comment.
[2:04:31] >> mayor: no for the lights.
[2:04:33] let's call the role and give
[2:04:34] commissioner walker another shot
[2:04:35] 
[2:04:35] here.
[2:04:48] >> mayor: that passes
[2:04:51] unanimously.
[2:04:51] madam clerk.
[2:04:53] >> mr. Mayor, we are on to
[2:04:57] ordinance 2025-873, ordinance o
[2:05:00] f
[2:05:00] the city of gainesville,
[2:05:01] florida, annexing approximately
[2:05:07] 
[2:05:07] 26.897 acres, privately-owned
[2:05:09] property generally located sou
[2:05:11] th
[2:05:11] of state road 24, archer road,
[2:05:14] 
[2:05:14] west of sw 51st drive, north o
[2:05:18] f
[2:05:18] oaks, preserved, phase ii, eas
[2:05:22] t
[2:05:22] of county road sw 24c, as more
[2:05:27] 
[2:05:27] specifically describing in thi
[2:05:28] s
[2:05:28] ordinance as petitioned for by
[2:05:30] 
[2:05:30] the property owners pursuant to
[2:05:32] 
[2:05:32] chapter 171.
[2:05:34] providing for persons engaged I
[2:05:36] n
[2:05:36] any occupation, business, trade
[2:05:39] ,
[2:05:39] or profession, providing
[2:05:40] directions to the city clerk,
[2:05:42] providing severability clause,
[2:05:43] 
[2:05:43] providing a repealing clause,
[2:05:45] and providing an immediate
[2:05:46] effective date.
[2:05:47] >> mayor: thank you, madam
[2:05:48] clerk.
[2:05:48] before we roll into this, I wan
[2:05:52] t
[2:05:52] to apologize for folks who wer
[2:05:57] e
[2:05:57] here for the entire afternoon
[2:05:57] and had to wait for this.
[2:05:58] we obviously have a lot going
[2:06:00] on, and I appreciate your
[2:06:01] patience.
[2:06:01] so thank you.
[2:06:04] >> thank you, good evening,
[2:06:08] mayor, and commissioners.
[2:06:09] the item before you is a request
[2:06:12] 
[2:06:12] for voluntary annexation
[2:06:15] submitted by dogwood acquisiti
[2:06:19] on
[2:06:19] llc.
[2:06:19] 
[2:06:19] >> so this annexation request is
[2:06:26] 
[2:06:26] for a total of eight contiguou
[2:06:29] s
[2:06:29] tax parcels totaling
[2:06:36] 26.25 acres, and due sw of
[2:06:38] butler plaza and I-75.
[2:06:42] currently under alachua county,
[2:06:46] 
[2:06:46] zoned single family residential
[2:06:48] ,
[2:06:48] and residential estate re1.
[2:06:51] staff prepared an urban services
[2:06:55] 
[2:06:55] report as attached to the
[2:06:57] backup, which detail the city
[2:06:59] services provided following
[2:07:01] annexation, so the parcels wou
[2:07:03] ld
[2:07:03] fall under city commission
[2:07:05] district 3, with the closest
[2:07:06] fire station being station 9,
[2:07:09] and would fall under the
[2:07:10] gainesville police department
[2:07:12] zone papa.
[2:07:12] rts route 75 would service the
[2:07:15] se
[2:07:15] parcels and gru would provide
[2:07:18] utility services like electric,
[2:07:21] 
[2:07:21] wastewater and gas, and
[2:07:22] additionally, public works wou
[2:07:26] ld
[2:07:26] provide solid waste services, a
[2:07:28] s
[2:07:28] well as basic maintenance and
[2:07:32] repair any building streets.
[2:07:33] however, there are no current
[2:07:37] street city streets that would
[2:07:38] 
[2:07:38] be involved in this annexation
[2:07:40] 
[2:07:40] upon approval.
[2:07:41] the details of all of the
[2:07:43] services that are available in
[2:07:44] 
[2:07:44] that urban services report wer
[2:07:46] e
[2:07:46] provided or were created with
[2:07:48] feedback that were provided by
[2:07:50] 
[2:07:50] each relevant department as we
[2:07:51] ll
[2:07:51] as some additional maps that
[2:07:53] highlight the locations of
[2:07:55] utilities and emergency response
[2:07:56] 
[2:07:56] facilities.
[2:07:56] according to florida stawlt
[2:08:04] chapter 171 -- statute chapter
[2:08:07] 
[2:08:07] 171, required to meet certain
[2:08:09] criteria.
[2:08:09] so the parcels must be
[2:08:12] contiguous with existing city
[2:08:14] boundaries.
[2:08:14] they must be reasonably compact
[2:08:17] 
[2:08:17] and close together, and must n
[2:08:18] ot
[2:08:18] create any enclaves or a
[2:08:21] non-city parcel would be bound
[2:08:22] 
[2:08:22] on all sides by city boundarie
[2:08:25] s.
[2:08:25] illustrated by this map,
[2:08:27] provided by the applicant, the
[2:08:31] se
[2:08:31] criteria are met allowing the
[2:08:32] city to move forward toward
[2:08:34] adopting the ordinance.
[2:08:36] with that, staff does recommend
[2:08:37] 
[2:08:37] approval of agenda item
[2:08:41] 2025-873.
[2:08:41] if you approve today, we would
[2:08:44] 
[2:08:44] aim to have the second reading
[2:08:46] 
[2:08:46] before you by april 16th, which
[2:08:48] 
[2:08:48] would be the effective date of
[2:08:49] 
[2:08:49] the annexation.
[2:08:50] I am near you have further
[2:08:52] questions.
[2:08:52] the applicant is also here.
[2:08:54] >> mayor: very good.
[2:08:55] would the applicant like to mak
[2:08:58] e
[2:08:58] any presentation?
[2:08:58] 
[2:08:58] >> hi, good evening, mayor,
[2:09:02] commission.
[2:09:02] I don't have much to add.
[2:09:03] staff did a great job
[2:09:05] illustrating everything.
[2:09:06] I wanted to say thank you for
[2:09:10] your time.
[2:09:10] I'm here with -- to answer any
[2:09:13] 
[2:09:13] questions you might have.
[2:09:14] >> mayor: thank you so much.
[2:09:15] I appreciate it.
[2:09:16] commissioners, anything?
[2:09:18] commissioner willits?
[2:09:23] >> a question for staff about I
[2:09:25] f -- when we bring in, this is
[2:09:27] 
[2:09:27] one of the bigger chunks, I
[2:09:30] think, it's one of the bigger
[2:09:31] chunks we've done recently, tha
[2:09:33] t
[2:09:33] does not have an existing road
[2:09:35] 
[2:09:35] network like through it
[2:09:36] necessarily, I don't think.
[2:09:38] what's the difference between -
[2:09:41] -
[2:09:41] if this was developed in the
[2:09:43] future but still under the
[2:09:45] county, would they -- is there
[2:09:47] 
[2:09:47] an agreement with the county
[2:09:48] that they would have to design
[2:09:50] 
[2:09:50] the roads for the existing roa
[2:09:54] d
[2:09:54] network, any connections to the
[2:09:56] 
[2:09:56] part that's already in the cit
[2:09:58] y
[2:09:58] that's being developed?
[2:09:59] I cannot remember if that oak
[2:10:02] whatever neighborhood has a stu
[2:10:04] b
[2:10:04] anticipating out there, but if
[2:10:07] 
[2:10:07] it remains in the county do the
[2:10:10] y
[2:10:10] have to connect that stub or
[2:10:11] only by coming into the city a
[2:10:14] nd
[2:10:14] then they would have the connect
[2:10:16] 
[2:10:16] a stub according to our comp
[2:10:17] plan?
[2:10:17] >> so I don't think I can speak
[2:10:20] 
[2:10:20] to if there are any county
[2:10:22] requirements that they build o
[2:10:25] ut
[2:10:25] those roads prior to annexation.
[2:10:27] 
[2:10:27] we --
[2:10:29] >> no prior.
[2:10:29] if it stays in the county and w
[2:10:36] e
[2:10:36] don't approve annexation, and
[2:10:38] someone wants to build and hav
[2:10:39] e
[2:10:39] a small street networks.
[2:10:41] because it's in the county, is
[2:10:43] 
[2:10:43] there any agreement with the
[2:10:44] county -- will you please
[2:10:46] connect to, across the border
[2:10:47] line, if wehave a stub on the
[2:10:50] city side, will these connect?
[2:10:52] 
[2:10:52] have more of -- a comp plan
[2:10:54] envisions a grid with a lot of
[2:10:56] 
[2:10:56] connectivity?
[2:10:56] >> after annexation they would
[2:10:59] 
[2:10:59] be required to build out that
[2:11:00] road network to meet the lot
[2:11:03] requirements for development I
[2:11:05] n
[2:11:05] the city of gainesville.
[2:11:07] if you're asking whether count
[2:11:09] y
[2:11:09] parcels are required to connect
[2:11:12] 
[2:11:12] to city roads.
[2:11:13] that I'm not entirely sure of.
[2:11:15] 
[2:11:15] >> mr. Singleton.
[2:11:19] >> I do want to answer this.
[2:11:20] so I can fully understand.
[2:11:23] >> chief operating officer, I
[2:11:28] used to be employed by the
[2:11:30] county --
[2:11:31] >> hold that against you.
[2:11:32] >> review these type of
[2:11:34] applications, networks, county
[2:11:36] 
[2:11:36] has a very similar land
[2:11:38] development regulations and com
[2:11:40] p
[2:11:40] plan reg regulations similar to
[2:11:43] the
[2:11:43] city.
[2:11:43] they would connect to the
[2:11:46] existing s stubs.
[2:11:48] looking at the plat, I don't s
[2:11:51] ee
[2:11:51] that stub to these parcels, but
[2:11:53] 
[2:11:53] we do collaboraten and sure we
[2:11:57] 
[2:11:57] have -- and ensure we have
[2:11:58] interconnected roadway network.
[2:11:59] 
[2:11:59] >> I bring it up partially as
[2:12:01] part of the conversation on the
[2:12:02] 
[2:12:02] outside edge of the city when w
[2:12:04] e
[2:12:04] potentially annex, particularl
[2:12:06] y
[2:12:06] right next to a new development
[2:12:08] ,
[2:12:08] how they interact, the current,
[2:12:12] 
[2:12:12] new development, and potential
[2:12:13] ly
[2:12:13] new annexation.
[2:12:15] mr. Singleton, I appreciate
[2:12:18] that.
[2:12:18] I've had some skepticism in the
[2:12:23] 
[2:12:23] southwest largely because of
[2:12:26] annexations and changing of
[2:12:27] densities because of the amoun
[2:12:28] t
[2:12:28] of park services in southwest.
[2:12:31] 
[2:12:31] I would say we almost bought, w
[2:12:33] e
[2:12:33] haven't -- I don't know if we
[2:12:34] signed the contract yet, rough
[2:12:37] ly
[2:12:37] 14 acres in southwest
[2:12:38] gainesville for future park and
[2:12:40] 
[2:12:40] reservation land.
[2:12:41] that makes me a little more
[2:12:42] confident in the future we'll b
[2:12:43] e
[2:12:43] able to ride that, but that lan
[2:12:47] d
[2:12:47] is -- of 75, and past 75 there's
[2:12:51] 
[2:12:51] continued conversation.
[2:12:52] firefighter infrastructure's
[2:12:53] gointo go in, great, but in
[2:12:55] the end the city or the county
[2:12:56] 
[2:12:56] or us combined we need to build
[2:12:59] 
[2:12:59] another -- we need to be looki
[2:13:02] ng
[2:13:02] at longer, 10-15-year plan
[2:13:05] larger park, south that is
[2:13:08] serves that chunk -- in the end
[2:13:10] 
[2:13:10] it's going to serve county and
[2:13:14] 
[2:13:14] city.
[2:13:14] that's another conversation wit
[2:13:16] h
[2:13:16] the county:  so with that, I'v
[2:13:19] e
[2:13:19] been skeptical, but I'm very
[2:13:21] happy.
[2:13:21] I will be supporting this
[2:13:22] voluntary annexation.
[2:13:24] thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:13:25] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:13:27] mr. Willits.
[2:13:30] >> if there are no further
[2:13:31] questions, I move ordinance
[2:13:34] 2025-873.
[2:13:34] >> second.
[2:13:35] >> mayor: we have a motion and
[2:13:36] 
[2:13:36] a second.
[2:13:36] any public comment?
[2:13:37] >> there's no public comment.
[2:13:40] >> mayor: okay!
[2:13:42] >> I'm here.
[2:13:45] our firm worked on the oaks
[2:13:47] preserve project with the city,
[2:13:49] 
[2:13:49] and I can tell you there is a
[2:13:52] stub out to this property.
[2:13:53] I had to look at it too.
[2:13:54] it's in a future phase, but,
[2:13:56] yeah, just kind of the very
[2:13:58] bottom corner makes a 90-degree
[2:14:01] 
[2:14:01] turn.
[2:14:01] if this property's built in the
[2:14:04] 
[2:14:04] city, lit connect to that
[2:14:06] neighborhood.
[2:14:06] >> mayor: thank you.
[2:14:07] I remembered that discussion.
[2:14:10] that was the whole point of
[2:14:11] discussion about that issue was
[2:14:16] 
[2:14:16] whether or not people came to
[2:14:16] talk to us about whether or not
[2:14:19] 
[2:14:19] there was going to be
[2:14:19] [indistinct] there.
[2:14:21] I remember that.
[2:14:21] all right!
[2:14:22] madam clerk, let's call the
[2:14:24] roll.
[2:14:24] 
[2:14:24] [roll call]
[2:14:28] 
[2:14:28] >> mayor: all right, that
[2:14:37] passes unanimously.
[2:14:39] yes.
[2:14:39] madam clerk.
[2:14:41] commissioner willits.
[2:14:49] >> I'm not going to go into the
[2:14:51] 
[2:14:51] full because it's been a long
[2:14:52] day.
[2:14:52] I wanted to poke at the
[2:14:56] on-street neighborhood parking
[2:14:58] 
[2:14:58] permit and some of the zonings
[2:15:00] 
[2:15:00] around campus.
[2:15:00] we currently charge people hav
[2:15:04] e
[2:15:04] the privilege of owning a home
[2:15:06] 
[2:15:06] far less than we do for people
[2:15:08] 
[2:15:08] paying rent.
[2:15:10] it looks like we charge $119.25
[2:15:14] 
[2:15:14] to homesteaders, people who hav
[2:15:16] e
[2:15:16] a homesteaded property, verses
[2:15:18] 
[2:15:18] looks like $238 for
[2:15:20] non-homestead.
[2:15:20] I know there's not a lot of
[2:15:23] properties that necessarily
[2:15:25] applies to.
[2:15:25] some of the larger complexes y
[2:15:27] ou
[2:15:27] may think of around campus are
[2:15:29] 
[2:15:29] not eligible for
[2:15:32] neighborhood-zoned parking
[2:15:34] because those were developed a
[2:15:36] s
[2:15:36] a denser parking on site and/o
[2:15:39] r
[2:15:39] it is envisioned not every
[2:15:42] person brings their car for some
[2:15:43] 
[2:15:43] of the on-street parking on
[2:15:45] campus there's always going to
[2:15:47] 
[2:15:47] be tension.
[2:15:47] the fact we charge renters mor
[2:15:49] e
[2:15:49] than people who own their home.
[2:15:51] 
[2:15:51] I'm sure there's going to be a
[2:15:53] 
[2:15:53] lot of arguments why that is t
[2:15:55] o
[2:15:55] protect homeowners, giving the
[2:15:57] m
[2:15:57] a space, but a person who rents
[2:15:59] 
[2:15:59] that close to there may also --
[2:16:02] 
[2:16:02] I feel like they should probably
[2:16:04] 
[2:16:04] be more similar, that they
[2:16:06] should pay the same amount to
[2:16:09] park on the street whether the
[2:16:10] y
[2:16:10] own the home there or whether
[2:16:14] they are renting.
[2:16:15] so that's something I'm going t
[2:16:16] o
[2:16:16] bring in forward in the future
[2:16:18] as
[2:16:19] fairness to the renters in our
[2:16:20] 
[2:16:20] community.
[2:16:20] it's only in a couple
[2:16:22] neighborhoods that it applies.
[2:16:23] 
[2:16:23] I'm going to be asking staff I
[2:16:25] f
[2:16:25] I can get a -- peer into the
[2:16:27] data on the number of people w
[2:16:29] ho
[2:16:29] have those permits, but at lea
[2:16:31] st
[2:16:31] digging to understand the cost
[2:16:32] 
[2:16:32] of the permits.
[2:16:33] that's something I'll bring up
[2:16:38] 
[2:16:38] later.
[2:16:38] >> mayor: thank you.
[2:16:39] commissioner ingle.
[2:16:42] >> so there's a zoning issue I
[2:16:47] 
[2:16:47] wanted to bring up, actually
[2:16:51] 
[2:16:51] some drive-through businesses
[2:16:53] have caused some real traffic
[2:16:56] snarls in town.
[2:16:57] starbucks on 13th street, reall
[2:17:00] y
[2:17:00] kind of backs some stuff up, a
[2:17:02] nd
[2:17:02] I know it's the new coffee sho
[2:17:04] p
[2:17:04] down on 16th, I forget the nam
[2:17:09] e
[2:17:09] of it, 7 brew, also caused a l
[2:17:13] ot
[2:17:13] of snarls around there and
[2:17:14] people trying to get in a
[2:17:16] drive-through line, backing all
[2:17:17] 
[2:17:17] the way out into traffic.
[2:17:19] I would really like to see wha
[2:17:21] t
[2:17:21] options we've got on tweaking
[2:17:23] our zoning to either prohibit
[2:17:29] drive-through things on major
[2:17:31] thoroughfares like that or wha
[2:17:33] t
[2:17:33] options we've got to kind of
[2:17:35] regulate some of that to make
[2:17:37] those more compatible to those
[2:17:39] 
[2:17:39] areas.
[2:17:39] just plopping them down I've
[2:17:43] seen them cause real traffic
[2:17:45] problems with just a line of
[2:17:47] people out in the street waiti
[2:17:48] ng
[2:17:48] to get into a business.
[2:17:49] and I think there's got to be
[2:17:51] some way we can avoid doing tha
[2:17:53] t
[2:17:53] in the future.
[2:17:55] so talked a little bit to the
[2:17:56] city manager, but I'd really
[2:17:58] like to have some options
[2:17:59] brought back on what it is we
[2:18:02] can do in those areas.
[2:18:04] >> it looks like the director I
[2:18:06] s
[2:18:06] chomping at the bit to come talk
[2:18:08] 
[2:18:08] about this.
[2:18:08] [laughter]
[2:18:08] >> thank you, mr. Mayor,
[2:18:10] commissioners, halfway there.
[2:18:12] I realized I had a little bit o
[2:18:14] f
[2:18:14] regret that maybe I should
[2:18:15] probably not start walking, but
[2:18:19] 
[2:18:19] anyhow, certainly any time it's
[2:18:21] 
[2:18:21] a use in the way that a use is
[2:18:23] 
[2:18:23] really playing out is something
[2:18:24] 
[2:18:24] that we can look at through
[2:18:27] zoning code.
[2:18:27] what we had done to date for
[2:18:29] those uses.
[2:18:30] the starbucks on 13th has
[2:18:32] been -- has had issues for qui
[2:18:37] te
[2:18:37] some time.
[2:18:37] the 7 brew you're speaking of,
[2:18:39] 
[2:18:39] but we've had them in a couple
[2:18:41] 
[2:18:41] other locations that are drive
[2:18:43] 
[2:18:43] throughs.
[2:18:43] the zaxby's, popeyes when they
[2:18:51] 
[2:18:51] had their fried chicken
[2:18:52] sandwich, that was an issue, a
[2:18:54] s
[2:18:54] you might understand, but what
[2:18:55] 
[2:18:55] we've done for the code
[2:18:57] enforcement side of sit gone o
[2:18:59] ut
[2:18:59] and worked directly with the
[2:19:00] businesses to adjust their
[2:19:01] business model to make sure the
[2:19:03] y
[2:19:03] can or if they could actually
[2:19:06] fit these uses on their
[2:19:07] property, which is required by
[2:19:09] 
[2:19:09] code.
[2:19:09] we've worked with them to be
[2:19:10] able to do that.
[2:19:11] some of you may have seen at t
[2:19:13] he
[2:19:13] starbucks or the chick-fil-a
[2:19:14] where some of the staff started
[2:19:16] 
[2:19:16] getting tablets and walk to you
[2:19:17] r
[2:19:17] car and order.
[2:19:18] and they direct you through tha
[2:19:22] t
[2:19:22] area.
[2:19:22] that allowed them to both have
[2:19:24] 
[2:19:24] more users on site, but process
[2:19:26] 
[2:19:26] them quickly and really we
[2:19:28] helped them with their own
[2:19:29] businessodel.
[2:19:29] now, of course if that -- in
[2:19:32] some cases, continues to spill
[2:19:34] 
[2:19:34] out in the roadway, then we've
[2:19:37] 
[2:19:37] started to go down the code
[2:19:38] enforcement path.
[2:19:40] gpd is engaged in some of these
[2:19:42] 
[2:19:42] businesses.
[2:19:42] I cannot speak in detail for
[2:19:45] what gpd has doan done, but
[2:19:48] they've been involved in the
[2:19:49] conversation and working with
[2:19:50] the businesses.
[2:19:51] in several cases we've seen vas
[2:19:52] t
[2:19:52] improvements just by working
[2:19:54] with the practices
[2:19:55] 
[2:19:55] >> I appreciate that, and I
[2:19:58] think it's a good way to addre
[2:20:00] ss
[2:20:00] the issue in places that alrea
[2:20:02] dy
[2:20:02] exist, but I don't want to
[2:20:03] continue making more work for
[2:20:08] code enforcement and gpd,
[2:20:10] clearly we're setting ourselves
[2:20:12] 
[2:20:12] up for a problem and trying to
[2:20:14] 
[2:20:14] fix it instead of seeing if we
[2:20:16] 
[2:20:16] can't find ways to eliminate t
[2:20:18] he
[2:20:18] problems.
[2:20:18] it's frustrated me.
[2:20:20] I talked to a lot of people who
[2:20:21] 
[2:20:21] get frustrated with it,
[2:20:23] especially on major
[2:20:25] thoroughfares.
[2:20:25] when we look at major
[2:20:33] thoroughfares through places,
[2:20:35] I'm very concerned about
[2:20:36] continuing to set up the type o
[2:20:37] f
[2:20:37] businesses that are going to
[2:20:40] limit themselves to have code
[2:20:42] enforcement involved or have
[2:20:43] work around to make them
[2:20:45] function well as neighbors.
[2:20:46] >> add to what -- was saying o
[2:20:53] ur
[2:20:53] code requirements.
[2:20:53] during the process as we're
[2:20:55] seeing the newer drive through
[2:20:56] s
[2:20:56] come in, we request a queuing
[2:21:00] analysis from the applicant.
[2:21:02] we do look at that.
[2:21:03] I would say the 7 brew was a
[2:21:04] surprise to all of us.
[2:21:06] we didn't expect that to queue
[2:21:08] 
[2:21:08] up and backup that far.
[2:21:10] I'm not aware of that trying t
[2:21:12] o
[2:21:12] do that, but I'm not down in
[2:21:14] that area regularly, so -- so
[2:21:18] codes has been monitoring it.
[2:21:20] but the drive throughs that hav
[2:21:24] e
[2:21:24] gone in recently, we've not bee
[2:21:26] n
[2:21:26] seeing on that anymore, like
[2:21:29] what the exception of 7 brew
[2:21:31] first opened, but we are
[2:21:32] actively working with developers
[2:21:34] 
[2:21:34] and doing a queuing analysis a
[2:21:36] s
[2:21:36] the drive throughs come through,
[2:21:39] 
[2:21:39] as required by code.
[2:21:40] >> mayor: anything else?
[2:21:46] very good.
[2:21:48] mr. Manager, was that toward
[2:21:51] this?
[2:21:51] >> it was towards this?
[2:21:55] >> we would want a motion and
[2:21:56] add it to the list and send you
[2:21:58] 
[2:21:58] a new list of code pieces.
[2:22:03] >> I'd like to make a motion w
[2:22:04] e
[2:22:04] add to that the list.
[2:22:05] >> second.
[2:22:06] >> adding it to the list.
[2:22:08] >> mayor: all right.
[2:22:09] is there any public comment on
[2:22:11] 
[2:22:11] that?
[2:22:11] 
[2:22:11] >> mr. Mayor, is there like a -
[2:22:15] -
[2:22:15] [indistinct]
[2:22:15] [laughter]
[2:22:15] [laughter]
[2:22:15] emotion added to the list?
[2:22:20] >> mayor: definitely.
[2:22:23] >> I'll get with the city
[2:22:24] manager and find out the
[2:22:25] specific terms.
[2:22:27] >> mayor: very good.
[2:22:29] all in favor please say aye.
[2:22:32] any opposed.
[2:22:33] that passes unanimously.
[2:22:34] mr. Manager.
[2:22:35] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.
[2:22:37] this is unrelated to drive
[2:22:39] throughs or zoning for that
[2:22:40] matter.
[2:22:40] I did want to give you all an
[2:22:42] update.
[2:22:42] we had an individual come at
[2:22:46] public comment and talk a litt
[2:22:47] le
[2:22:47] bit about the st. Francis
[2:22:53] closure.
[2:22:53] I did get an update this
[2:22:55] afternoon from mr. Mann who's
[2:22:57] the city's liaison and coc.
[2:23:02] to date, th there three remaining
[2:23:05] 
[2:23:05] families in sherlt at
[2:23:06] st. Francis that we have not
[2:23:09] connected.
[2:23:09] we, being the city, the cnd the
[2:23:14] coc, connected with
[2:23:14] housing.
[2:23:14] believe will be connected with
[2:23:19] 
[2:23:19] housing as early as tomorrow,
[2:23:20] leaving two remaining families
[2:23:22] 
[2:23:22] and one individual.
[2:23:23] those are the only remaining
[2:23:25] folks that were in shelter tha
[2:23:27] t
[2:23:27] have not been able to find new
[2:23:31] 
[2:23:31] housing.
[2:23:31] so, we're continuing to work o
[2:23:36] n
[2:23:36] the list and be able to
[2:23:38] successfully place everybody I
[2:23:39] n
[2:23:39] shelter that was in shelter
[2:23:41] before the closure of
[2:23:44] st. Francis hospital.
[2:23:45] >> mayor: excellent.
[2:23:46] I appreciate that.
[2:23:47] I don't see any other lights,
[2:23:49] but I have a few items try to g
[2:23:51] o
[2:23:51] through as quickly as possible
[2:23:52] 
[2:23:52] here.
[2:23:52] first of all, on a somber note,
[2:23:56] 
[2:23:56] yesterday's news we learned tha
[2:24:00] t
[2:24:00] coral springs commissioner and
[2:24:02] 
[2:24:02] vice mayor, nancy bowen, was
[2:24:07] murdered, and what appears to
[2:24:08] have been a domestic violence
[2:24:13] attack.
[2:24:13] I mentioned that not only
[2:24:17] because she is one of our own,
[2:24:19] 
[2:24:19] but to remind everyone that
[2:24:24] the -- we don't know what's
[2:24:26] happening in somebody else's
[2:24:27] house.
[2:24:27] we don't know, and domestic
[2:24:30] violence can happen anywhere I
[2:24:36] n
[2:24:36] any home, and I have talked
[2:24:38] about this a couple of times
[2:24:40] this year.
[2:24:41] it is something that I want us
[2:24:43] 
[2:24:43] to, as a city, as an entity,
[2:24:47] find ways that we can be more
[2:24:48] supportive of organizations
[2:24:51] fighting domestic violence.
[2:24:52] and sometimes that is as simpl
[2:24:55] e
[2:24:55] as talking about it.
[2:24:59] that's why I wanted to bring I
[2:25:01] t
[2:25:01] up.
[2:25:01] not for action, but I want to
[2:25:02] think about how we might
[2:25:04] approach the issue differently,
[2:25:08] d
[2:25:08] d nigd we can all -- anything
[2:25:10] we can all do is talk about
[2:25:12] domestic violence more
[2:25:13] frequently and let folks know
[2:25:19] who we may not realize are in a
[2:25:21] 
[2:25:21] difficult situation, that we a
[2:25:22] re
[2:25:22] here for them.
[2:25:23] the city is here for them.
[2:25:24] we as individuals are here for
[2:25:29] 
[2:25:29] them.
[2:25:29] and all we can do for this
[2:25:31] commissioner and vice mayor is
[2:25:32] 
[2:25:32] offer prayers and thoughts,
[2:25:34] which is a hollow thing right
[2:25:35] now, but it was important to
[2:25:38] mention that.
[2:25:39] try to get less somber as I go
[2:25:41] 
[2:25:41] down the list here.
[2:25:42] I have heard recently that there
[2:25:47] 
[2:25:47] is potential of the northwest
[2:25:48] boy's club, the existing
[2:25:50] northwest boy's and girl's clu
[2:25:54] b.
[2:25:54] that property being up for sal
[2:25:57] e
[2:25:57] and all sorts of things there.
[2:25:59] 
[2:25:59] it is in the county.
[2:26:00] it's not in the city, but it I
[2:26:03] s
[2:26:03] important to me, and I think t
[2:26:05] o
[2:26:05] this community, that that
[2:26:08] remain, if it can't be boy's and
[2:26:10] 
[2:26:10] girl's club, then at least
[2:26:12] remain athletic fields for tho
[2:26:13] se
[2:26:13] purposes
[2:26:13] 
[2:26:13] that matters a lot to this
[2:26:16] community, I think.
[2:26:22] not only from historical
[2:26:23] perspective, but that kind of
[2:26:25] use is dwindling.
[2:26:26] I am normally 100%, 150% for m
[2:26:31] u new
[2:26:32] places to live, but that is a
[2:26:35] place that's dwindling rapidly
[2:26:36] 
[2:26:36] when it is not a school use, a
[2:26:38] nd
[2:26:38] that one is not.
[2:26:39] I would like to put that messa
[2:26:40] ge
[2:26:40] out there.
[2:26:40] it is in the county.
[2:26:41] were it to be in the city, I
[2:26:42] don't think my mind would change
[2:26:45] 
[2:26:45] own that.
[2:26:45] just put that out there.
[2:26:46] a thing that I would like us to
[2:26:51] 
[2:26:51] be thinking about, we don't nee
[2:26:54] d
[2:26:54] to take action on it tonight,
[2:26:55] but if you would think about
[2:26:57] this.
[2:26:57] I am interested in us getting
[2:27:00] into the community and out of
[2:27:01] the building more as a body.
[2:27:06] I was talking with city clerk
[2:27:09] yesterday about the idea of
[2:27:12] doing one gpc meeting a quarter
[2:27:15] 
[2:27:15] off site somewhere, in an ada
[2:27:18] accessible city facility,
[2:27:20] wherever possible, certainly a
[2:27:21] n
[2:27:21] ada-accessible facility
[2:27:23] regardless, whether it's city o
[2:27:25] r
[2:27:25] not, and get into each district
[2:27:27] 
[2:27:27] once a year.
[2:27:28] there's -- I'm sure there's
[2:27:32] reasons to be uncomfortable with
[2:27:34] 
[2:27:34] that, but I think it's good for
[2:27:36] 
[2:27:36] the community and the city as a
[2:27:37] n
[2:27:37] organization and us as a
[2:27:39] commission to be out of the
[2:27:41] building when we can.
[2:27:42] I fully respect the idea we've
[2:27:47] 
[2:27:47] got to be not only personally
[2:27:49] accessible with ada compliance,
[2:27:53] 
[2:27:53] but also available for people to
[2:27:55] 
[2:27:55] be able to watch and hear the
[2:27:58] meetings, and that is something
[2:28:00] 
[2:28:00] that matters that we will
[2:28:02] follow, but I would like to us
[2:28:04] 
[2:28:04] think about that as we move
[2:28:05] forward, please.
[2:28:06] last thing, I want to thank you
[2:28:10] 
[2:28:10] all for your wisdom and patienc
[2:28:12] e
[2:28:12] and good humor over the course
[2:28:14] 
[2:28:14] of this very long day, and I
[2:28:16] hope to see many of you at the
[2:28:18] 
[2:28:18] mlk prayer breakfast tomorrow
[2:28:22] morning, bright and early.
[2:28:23] commissioner ingle.
[2:28:24] >> I just wanted to throw some
[2:28:26] 
[2:28:26] support behind that idea of
[2:28:27] maybe having meetings off site,
[2:28:29] 
[2:28:29] not only because it might be
[2:28:31] interesting to be in all the
[2:28:33] areas of the city, but the ide
[2:28:36] a
[2:28:36] of gpc is a little easier to
[2:28:38] hash out.
[2:28:38] I don't think this is the
[2:28:40] easiest format to have
[2:28:41] conversations about things.
[2:28:42] so, being able to get around a
[2:28:46] 
[2:28:46] table somewhere or a little bit
[2:28:48] 
[2:28:48] different format where -- I like
[2:28:51] 
[2:28:51] to have a look at somebody whe
[2:28:55] n
[2:28:55] I'm talking to them.
[2:28:57] a round table may be conducive
[2:29:00] 
[2:29:00] to have better conversations a
[2:29:02] nd
[2:29:02] see if we can't get those type
[2:29:03] 
[2:29:03] of topics on the agenda for whe
[2:29:07] n
[2:29:07] we might be in a format more
[2:29:09] conducive to the conversations
[2:29:10] .
[2:29:10] >> I noticed there's a workshop
[2:29:13] .
[2:29:13] >> mayor: thank you,
[2:29:15] commissioner ingle.
[2:29:16] no further lights.
[2:29:18] we are adjourned.
[2:29:18]