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it's really nice

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does it have to do that
does it have to have the court yeah

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um

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I grew up here like

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we came back a couple of years ago
that's about Mr Johnson sir

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how you doing we were always mad over
because my parents live yeah my cousins

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yeah

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I will

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well welcome to the board thank you sir

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no fireworks tonight

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I always wanted to tell you how nice
that house looks done well thank you

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and the wife and even the garage and
stuff you put on there

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finally did you speak right up from
where I was born the next house that

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little Stone House yeah there's the
garage

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oh yeah oh yeah that's beautiful yeah I
remember that was just you know when I

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was a kid it was just

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yeah well my great great aunt had it was
that who it was yeah okay yeah

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yeah yeah it's been I'm the fifth fifth
generation that's at it okay we took her

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down to nothing yeah
someone's going by there though aren't

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you well I I tell you what I'll be I'll
be glad 24 gets here yeah you might uh

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where they're going they might be a
little longer than 24. you'll retrieve

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this winter or something or reprieve on
the winner

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20th isn't it coming up here or if the
weather holds out it might even go a

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little bit farther but I just assume
they do and get it done which is this

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next part of it's going to go fast
down here seems like it took forever but

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they had all that underground stuff yeah
it was just seemed like they weren't

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getting anything done they were working
with a lot I mean Mike yeah

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one of the guys said it was like just
entangled mess with fishing line down

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there
well we're on South Street the trucks

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don't bother you
yeah at night four o'clock in the

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morning I'd like to get the newspaper
and watch them come by and you can

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always see the ones that aren't stopping
to keep going straight yeah

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um

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because truthfully that extra foot and
half would have made a huge difference

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would have made a big difference yeah I
wouldn't want to vlogier Street

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foreign

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so we went through it

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I wouldn't have let the dogs

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[Music]
foreign

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looking for a new person

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College

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address

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so John I have to obviously accuse
myself

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you know that foreign

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yeah it is amazing

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[Music]

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so how did your son survive an afternoon
with my brother the morning

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yeah

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Haley was up there working and it just
happened to be a day that was like

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Courthouse

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years

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in law school

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you guys all ready

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you guys ready yes okay we'll go ahead
and call the zoning board appeals

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meeting for Wednesday November 9th 2020
to go on the road please

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here Monahan here dancing here

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we do have a corn okay under
item 22z Dash 2004 approval minutes of

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the regular meeting of September 14 2022
entertain a motion

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the motion to approved we have a second
second

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all votes in favor say goodbye by saying
aye

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aye those both standing caring okay the
next one is 22

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pda-02 this is a public hearing owner
and applicant True North Quality Homes

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LLC request for an amendment to the plan
unit development plan to add an

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additional 18.24 Acres Quant annexation
in the corporate corporate boundaries in

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the city of Galena
just uh remind everybody you're going to

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speak in this public hearing make sure
you're signed in on the appropriate

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sheet back there when you come forward
state your name and your address for the

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record
so I will entertain a motion to open a

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public go ahead James I think I should
okay I need to excuse myself of the

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record show that Jim has accused himself
so I understand a motion to open a

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public hearing

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a second all those in favor signify for
saying aye aye those opposed to any

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carried okay first thing we'll do is
anybody who is going to testify either

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before or against
uh will be sworn in by Mr Knack so

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anybody's going to testify four against
or possibility please raise your hand

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promise to tell the truth the whole
truth and nothing but the truth

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thank you
thank you okay uh want to come forward

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and
begin

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how long

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thank you
hi my name is Sammy Lawrence my address

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is 3638 Ice Age 5 in Madison Wisconsin
I'm the president of beyondee and I will

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be involved in the development and
operations for the Parker project

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we are really excited in presenting this
amendment since it provides us the

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opportunity to improve on the design of
the approved preliminary PUD

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after we purchase the additional 18.24
Acres we realized the beneficial changes

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we could make to the layout of the
approved QB

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Jim Beth Jake and Andy reader will be
providing an overview of those changes

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under current County zoning the
additional 18.24 acres are zoned

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agricultural
if annexed it will come in as limited

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agricultural
we are not requesting a change to that

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zoning designation
because we are adding the additional

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acreage the approved PUD this will
result in dual sign

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therefore in consultation with the city
we are adding an amendment to the

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approved PUD per ordinance
154.923 you need resulting and plan

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review specifically at 1A
we hope to show you tonight the benefit

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of supporting this amendment with a
positive recommendation to the city

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if this amendment is not approved the
preliminary approved PUD plan will

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remain in force
I'm now going to hand over the

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presentation to Jim and team to provide
an overview of the amendment

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and I'll be providing you a map that Jim
will be projecting oh so this is just a

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larger blow-up Wheels

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hi
um my name is Jim baraski

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South Industries

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um this evening our team is presenting
an amendment to the previously approved

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linear PDP plan for the park
our goal is to demonstrate how we do the

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amendment is consistent with the zoning
orders and with the goals of the

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comprehensive plan
this amendment is not approved and the

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project will proceed in accordance with
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I'd like to start with an overview of
the differences between the original

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approved plan and the proposed
amendments

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foreign
this first slide shows the boundary of

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the previously approved plan which is
there

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and this is this is Blackjack for this
reference and then here is uh Park

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Avenue uh the Shaded area to the right
the Shaded area to the right there that

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is the additional 18.2
18.24 acre Edition which is part of the

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amendment

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this is an update of the elevation map
we show the first time around here is

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the original boundary again
you see here

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and then that shaded portion over there
is the uh the additional acreage

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if we use the corner of Blackjack Road
and fourth

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here
as elevation zero zero then you'll

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notice that the creek that along here is
about 38 feet below that

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the Marine hospital is up here at plus
78 feet

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the the uh the wrist line the bluff Edge
is about 80 and then the new uh high

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point on the property
um is up here in this upper left-hand

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corner on the new piece of property and
it's about 164 feet above the

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intersection of blackjack and fourth

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thank you
should also point out that down here to

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the east is where the new entry will be
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um some of you have seen that gate I'm
going to show a picture of it but at

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some point here but um just across the
creek there's a bridge across the creek

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and just to the right is where the uh
the new entrance will be

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likes to show this map
which which is really that's showing

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what the differences are between the the
original plan and now the new plan

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foreign so
the elements that are shown here in red

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are elements that are being removed from
the project and the purple ones that are

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ones that are being added
the first major element being removed is

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this red row to the left

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here
okay and that was the lower ring of

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marine Hospital Cottages
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and uh those Cottages will go from that
position and they will be redistributed

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in other parts of the project
the second major element being removed

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is the original entrance off of
Blackjack Road along with the large

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detention line You'll see that
these two changes to the plan will

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result in us having to remove four fewer
Acres of trees while at the same time

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you're eliminating 32
554 square feet of Paving surface from

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the original plant
the purple boundary to the right here

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that is the boundary of the new prop
18.24 acres and

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that purple line there is the new
entrance Road

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I should also point out that
thin purple lines running North here

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and to the left here
um those are new trails

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here's a picture of the new entrance on
the east side of Davis Creek

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um many of you might know this place
this this position

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so for reference purposes
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I want to start with showing the
original preliminary approve primary few

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of these

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on the right you'll see the additional
18.24 Acres

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now that 18.24 acres is going to be it
will come into the project as limited Ag

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and then it'll stay limited Act

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you'll notice the original entry
here

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will go away

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and then you'll notice that the lower
Cottages below the Marine Hospital

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closest to the Park Avenue and the
neighbors

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um
will then also go away

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so when this project is completed
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it's it's mostly the same and I could
point out we could look at the main

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building which is here and then the
winery which is there and then the cafe

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um that those those buildings pretty
much stay where they were okay see

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between each this is the original plan
their original locations and then here

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are the revised locations and you can
see that they move only a slight amount

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and then the roadways are shifted a
little bit and some of the Cottages are

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moving around as well

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so here is the revised project showing
the additional 18.24 Acres

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with uh more Vineyard planted up at the
top

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um and additional Prairie planted all
along this Hillside

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but also notice in the development is
adding Trails uh adding another mile of

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trails actually so there's a total of
two and a half miles

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I should point out here that
the trails will be open to the public

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um
I know the annexation agreement has

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language that gives the owner the
discretion to limit the use of the

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trails to guess
but this language was added to protect

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the property and the highly unlikely
situation that members of the public

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misuse the trails
the fact is the trails being opened to

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the public is good for the project and
the users so as long as people respect

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their use the trails will be open

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I'd like to remind you of the portion of
the project that's already been

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completed which is Phase 1A
phase 1A was the planting of this

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portion of the vineyard which is
approximately five acres

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and here are pictures of the completed
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so now I'm going to take you through the
revised phasing plans

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show you how the 18.24 acre Edition has
altered our thinking about the order of

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construction

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here again
um is Phase 1A uh with its five acres of

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Vineyard
because the new entrance is now on the

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far East side of the project way over
here

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and a portion of the vineyard has been
planted already we think it makes sense

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to build the Cottages near the Vineyard
first along with the rehabilitation of

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the Marine Hospital

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you can see this existing driveway
which will be the new entrance

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that driveway will be improved
so it's two lanes it'll be white two

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lines and it'll be it'll be paved
you will also plant another six acres or

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so a minion at the top of the property
and plant a prairie on the slope to the

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road that's this Prairie right here some
of you have maybe driven Pastor you'll

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see there's quite a bit of quite a bit
of erosion off that Hillside because

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it's pretty steep
um but we'll be using these

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infiltration bio swales here here and
here as part of the Prairie and that

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should reduce the current amount of
storm water coming off the hill in the

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Davis Creek
the new driveway here

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a new driveway will continue through
over to the Marine Hospital sort of

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following the Contours across the
property

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and the Marine hospital will be
rehabilitated in the manner in which we

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talked about it in the preliminary
period

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the winery and its parking will be built
in this phase along with 28 Cottages

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overlooking The Vineyards so here's the
winery and then here are the vineyard

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cottages
the main road going across the property

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um
the main road going across the property

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uh is two lanes uh and then the um the
loop where the Cottages are will be one

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lane with parallel parking on the road
uh right in front of the Cottages

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the westernmost portion of the walking
trail which is way back here

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that will be completed in Phase 1B along
with its connection

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uh down to the Galena River Trail

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phase two will have 26 Ravine cottages
and 22 cottages and a loop a sort of an

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upper loop I guess you'd say
um around the Marine Hospital

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and then phase three We'll add 18
cottages and a prairie setting which is

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right through here
as and as with the approved preliminary

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community plan we'll add the main
building if it's parking four acres of

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gardens additional trails and the cafe
foreign

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26 Hillside cottages and the last
section of Trail bringing the total

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Trailway to two and a half miles

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I'd like to reiterate here that the only
thing that the board is voting on

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tonight is the amendment
the plan we're showing has not increased

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density or intensity of the project that
has already been approved we have the

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same number of cottages and guest rooms
as the previous plant we also have the

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same number and size of the other
buildings on the site like the winery

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Cafe and Main Building
but there are some important differences

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that needed to be pointed out
number one is that with medicine is

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watching Who's online

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Mary best Donald

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Trump

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foreign

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Roger Julian Galena Library
Sam white Julie Spangler Dan Snyder

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Cindy Pepple Mel Granton Pam Bernstein

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oh so whoever
um was just pointing out those names

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your mic is actually on
and I we were maybe hoping that they

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could be turned off
oh okay

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well now I have to go all the way up
again

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um so I wanted to point out that there
are some uh differences between uh the

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original plan and this one
um and number one is that the amendment

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the landscape surface ratio has
increased to 84 only 80 that's an

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original plan of the minimum landscape
surface ratio for Planned commercial

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district is 35 percent
the new landscape surface ratio

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um is still 80 in the playing commercial
area but the overall LSR is now 84

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. and number two the four area ratio
or far which is the total building area

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as a function of the total Site Area has
decreased the allowable poor area ratio

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for Planned commercial history where all
the buildings are located is 25 we are

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now at 4.4 percent in the planned
commercial area and 3.6 overall

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so now I'd like to turn the presentation
over to Beth who will discuss the

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Project's performance with the
comprehensive plan

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hi I'm Beth baransky and my home is at
1015 South bench Street in Galena

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we want to know here that the amended
project will come by with the Galena

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building regulations the highway 20
overlay district and the stormwater

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cross connection Control Ordinance
requirements as well as the lighting

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standards
all required permits permits and

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assurances will be submitted at the
appropriate times to document compliance

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here we're simply showing how the
project area relates to the highway 20

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overlay District a small portion of the
property follows

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um which is 1200 feet of the center line
of Highway 20.

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if you look um here's the center I'm
sorry the center line and the project is

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just a little bit here that falls within
that

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for both of the Pud area falls in the
area between 1200 and 2400 feet of the

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center line for which the only guidance
is listing of raw materials that are

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discouraged
a non-administrative Highway 20

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development permit will be obtained as
required

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if you're looking at the project
relative to the comprehensive plan it's

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important to understand the role the
plan plays in community land use

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development what the plan is and what it
is not

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comprehensive plans are long-term plans
to help guide Community growth and

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development unlike the zoning ordinance
and other ordinances that regulate

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communities of land comprehensive plans
are not important documents the

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comprehensive plan is a reference and a
guide and the basis for Designing

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ordinance
the criteria that learning board uses

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for evaluating this amendment requires
that the comprehensive plan be

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considered when evaluating proposals
the comprehensive plan is not a rigid

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unchanging plan nor the final answer to
all problems in the future a

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comprehensive plan is based on the
knowledge and goals at the time of

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adoption
plans are meant to be flexible and to be

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updated when necessary then related
regulatory ordinances need to be updated

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accordingly to ensure proper
implementation of the plan

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the comprehensive plans are a basis for
making rational decisions but they don't

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replace the decision-making process

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looking at a few of the maps in the
comprehensive plan may help to

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illustrate the role of the comprehensive
plan as a general reference for land use

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and development
State Statute gives municipalities the

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ability to enact properties that are
surrounded on three sides by City

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boundaries
the comprehensive plan recommends that

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the city consider annexation of
properties that are bonded on three or

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more sides by the city
the proposed annexation map for the lab

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is not a map prescribing exclusively the
properties that should be an accident

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it's a little bit hard to see this up
here but these areas are the annexed

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area shown to be the next series to be
considered for annexation

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the areas are not showing red are not
specific Parcels of land designated for

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annexation for example there's a small
portion of the park Parker project

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unrelated to any defined personal that
little triangle down here at the bottom

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that is included in one of the proposed
annexation areas with the proposed

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annexation map does do simply is
illustrate areas that the city

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boundaries encompassed on three sides
which should be considered for

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annexation

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looking at the map on the right the
County's 1999 comprehensive plan

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initiated a Cooperative planning effort
with municipalities within the county

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identifying contiguous growth areas or
cgas with the express desire to direct

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development to existing Development
Centers for infrastructure and services

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are readily available or easily provided
vgas are defined is that area around the

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municipality in which put that community
anticipates and desires grow to occur in

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the foreseeable future
this language and intent remains in

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section 8.3 of the pound's 2012 Plan
update

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the contiguous growth area map
identifies areas the city anticipated

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and desired growth to occur in the
foreseeable future at the time the map

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was created in 2007.
the map is not a map prescribing

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exclusively the properties on which
growth can and should occur

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if the proposed annotation map and the
continuous growth area maps were meant

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to show areas defined exclusively for
development they would cover the same

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areas
what can be said is that the Parker

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project is located in the vicinity of
and immediately abiding areas that were

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anticipated and desired for growth in
2007.

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the proposed land use plan illustrates
the plan intent described in the

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narratives
areas remain as undeveloped undeveloped

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Green Space are identified basically the
Eastern entrance to the city on 20.

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over here

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and areas along major waterways
the proposed project area was not

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designated as a permanent green space
having said that a significant portion

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of the total project in nearly all of
the proposed 18.248 transition will be

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maintained as open space
at the time that the conference the plan

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was adopted proposed useless had not
been identified for the project

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Amendment area at all therefore existing
land uses are all that are shown on the

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proposed land use map in the project
area

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no land use decisions one way or the
other had been made for the project area

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at the time the comprehensive plan was
adopted in 2003.

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now I'd like to specifically go through
the ways the proposed amendment is

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supported by the comprehensive plan
the proposed amendment supports the

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conference of planned Visions for growth
in the efficient and attractive

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development of new land the city being
proactive and annexing land to achieve

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its vision

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan vision statement for

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physical environment by adhering to a
high standard of cleanliness maintaining

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high air quality water and soil
protecting our historical and

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Architectural character and protecting
and enhancing our natural resources

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areas of the Amendments propose
additional 18.24 Acres will be planted

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in Prairie
changes to projects roadways and the

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amendment reduce the amount of paved
surfaces by over 32 000 square feet

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with the amendment the wooded areas that
will not be disturbed is increased by

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about four acres

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.1

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Economic Development
by increasing the project Trail length

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by one mile in conformance to the
comprehensive plan and further develop

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the natural resource base to provide
additional attraction for visitors to

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the area this could include the
construction of trails and your goal 7

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tourism
and by planting additional Prairie

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reducing the amount of paved Surface by
over 32 000 square feet and increasing

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the amount awarded areas not to be
disturbed by about four acres in

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conformance with the comprehensive plan
to continue to protect the natural

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environment that provides the bay
support for tourism in and around Galena

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all seven tourism

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.3

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stamp Transportation by combining
additional parking outside of the

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downtown area and developing a shuttle
service to and from the downtown area in

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peak season under goal three addressed
Downtown parking issues

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and by providing an additional one-mile
walking trails that are connected to the

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Galena River Trail in conformance of the
comprehensive plan

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to encourage visitors to walk from
parking areas into the downtown by

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creating paths from parking areas that
take visitors past historic structures

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toll-free address Downtown parking
issues

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.4

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public and Community facilities services
and utilities

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by increasing the percentage of open
space in the amended project which

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improves stormwater management
opportunities

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Innovative infiltration and detention
methods such as rain Gardens and bios

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rails will be incorporated to manage
on-site storm water

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improving in conformance with the
comprehensive plan storm water

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management in newly developing areas to
ensure that current storm water concerns

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are not exacerbated under goal 2.
and by providing increased property tax

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revenues that can be directed by the
city to in performance with a

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comprehensive plan address the capital
equipment and staffing needs for the

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police and fire departments as both will
require additional equipment and staff

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as the community grows and tourism
increases goal nine

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.6

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Natural Resources by planting areas of
the proposed additional 18.24 acres and

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Prairie by changing project roadways to
reducing the amount of paved Services by

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over 32 000 square feet and by
increasing the amount of wooded areas

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not to be disturbed by about four acres
in conformance to the comprehensive plan

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continue to use the natural beauty of
the region to attract tourists and

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ensuring that in development is
consistent with the premise of

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protecting the environment under goal
one protect and preserve the natural

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beauty in and around the city of Leon

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.7 land

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use and development by annexing the
18.24 acre Edition

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plan all new development on the edge of
the city are next to the city to gain

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access to city sewer and water utilities
hole 13.

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the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.8

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intergovernmental cooperation by
maintaining the default limited

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agricultural zoning designation upon
annexation of the proposed 18.24 acre

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Edition by planting the 18.24 acres in
Prairie and Vineyards by enhancing the

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Project's overall park-like atmosphere
through an increase in the landscape

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surface ratio to 84 percent
and by reducing the floor area ratio

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that is the ratio between building floor
area to overall project area down to 3.6

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percent
in conformance to the comprehensive plan

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to protect and maintain the rural
character of the city of Helena and the

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surrounding areas as the city of Galena
and the region continue to grow

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and now I'm going to turn the
presentation over to Andrew Reeder

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senior project engineer with Fairgrounds

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hello
asbesta my name is Andrew reader I live

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at 2366 North Lynn Avenue in Freeport
Illinois and I'm a senior project

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engineer with aircraft I'm also a
certified floodplain manager certified

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professional and erosion and sediment
control and licensed as a professional

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engineer in Illinois Wisconsin
I will be discussing the view slides

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related to The Post site

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the first slide shows a proposed layout
for the site roadways and site water and

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sanitary utilities at completion of all
construction phases

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as Jim previously discussed this
construction will be phased and the site

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improvements will only be constructed as
needed for each phase of the development

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utility plan has been updated from the
previously approved preliminary plan to

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match the adjustments that have been
made to the roadway alignment of

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significant additional changes have not
been proposed

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the previous and current land include a
sanitary sewer alignment with a crossing

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of the Galena River this is not an
uncommon but unsafe design or

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construction activity and it is clearly
Allowed by local and state regulations

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in fact there is already a similar River
Crossing currently in Boardman

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the river crossing would be uh

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this exhibit identifies the proposed
preliminary site stormwater management

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plan
the development team plans to make the

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project a low impact development by
incorporating creative structure

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approaches
approaches will include minimizing

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ground disturbance minimizing impervious
areas incorporating small local bmps

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best management practices looks to the
point of discharge like rain guards

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infiltration bases and biosoils to
reduce the size of the larger project

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facilities and minimize slow protection
needs

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rain Gardens infiltration basins
detention basins and wet bottom

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attention bases will be designed to
accommodate runoff in excess of the

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local BNP capacities
hold protection through a variety of

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best management practices including
minimized disturbance revegetation

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biotechnical stabilization heart armor
bio retention with stuffed pools and

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bioswales will be incorporated into the
site design

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lastly and most importantly the final
site stormwater design will not increase

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the peak stormwater discharge rate and
will meet local and Regional design

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requirements

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this exhibit provides the existing
boundaries of the site natural resources

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including wooded areas

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Wetland boundaries

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and the 100 Year blood plane shown in
the blue hatch

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as required by the city of Galena the
proposed project complies with the

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natural resource protection standards
for Woodland and Forest protection and

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for Wetlands protection

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these nuts show the design steps
investigations reviews and approvals

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that are still anticipated prior to the
start of construction

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these steps include the city of Galena
for preliminary PUD Amendment review and

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approval which we are currently seeking
before moving forward into the final

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00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:26,040
designs of plan development
the final design of plane development

462
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,720
phase will include completion of the
final stormwater management sign or

463
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:34,560
models will help develop the exact
details of the stormwater measures

464
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:39,060
previously discussed
stormwater pollution prevention plan

465
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:42,839
will be developed to ensure compliance
with Illinois Environmental Protection

466
00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:48,000
Agency regulations regarding
construction stormwater discharge

467
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:53,700
the geotechnical investigation will be
completed including soil borings and

468
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:58,740
infiltration testing the investigation
will identify existing soil conditions

469
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:03,119
to assist in the design of the proposed
improvements

470
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:07,200
after the final design and plan
development are completed permit

471
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:11,040
packages will be prepared and submitted
for review and approval to all

472
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:15,839
applicable local safe and federal
Regulatory Agencies

473
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:21,200
these include submitting design plans to
the Joe Davies County highway department

474
00:50:17,339 --> 00:50:21,200
for accessibility approval

475
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:30,060
submitting design plans reports
calculations and investigations for the

476
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:34,560
city of Galena final PUD review and
approval for phase 1B

477
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,920
plans and permits will be submitted to
the Illinois Department of Natural

478
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:42,119
Resources for review and approval
related to The Fish and Wildlife

479
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:46,980
coordination Act Illinois endangered
species protection act and the Illinois

480
00:50:44,099 --> 00:50:51,599
historic preservation pool
the joint permit application will be

481
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:55,440
prepared and submitted to the Army Corps
of Engineers the Illinois Environmental

482
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,819
Protection Agency the Illinois
Department of Natural Resources the Army

483
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,319
Corps of Engineers will review the
project for compliance with the rivers

484
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:08,839
and harbors act Federal Water Pollution
Control Act agreements and section 404

485
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:13,440
of the Clean Water range
the Illinois Environmental Protection

486
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:18,180
Agency will review the project the water
quality certification pursuant to

487
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:21,540
section 401 of the Clean Water Act and
will also make a determination of

488
00:51:20,099 --> 00:51:24,960
additional permit and regulatory
requirements which similar to the

489
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:29,099
Illinois public pollution control board
rules and regulations

490
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:33,059
the Illinois Department of Natural
Resources office of Water Resources will

491
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:36,119
review the joint permit application for
compliance with the rivers lakes and

492
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:40,020
streams add
the fish and wildlife coordination act

493
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:45,059
the Illinois endangered species
protection act and the Illinois natural

494
00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:48,540
heritage preservation Act
plans and permits will also be submitted

495
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:53,099
to the Illinois Environmental Protection
agent agency or review and approval

496
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:56,160
under the national pollutant discharge
elimination system

497
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,700
this will include
the preparation and submittal of a

498
00:51:58,260 --> 00:52:02,839
notice of intent in a stormwater
pollution protection plan

499
00:52:03,059 --> 00:52:09,000
sanitary sewer State construction and
operating permit package will be

500
00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:12,780
submitted to the iepa water pollution
control division to review the project

501
00:52:11,099 --> 00:52:15,960
for compliance with the Environmental
Protection Act and the regulations

502
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:19,619
developed by the Illinois Pollution
Control Board

503
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:23,339
lastly a public water supplies
Construction in the operating permit

504
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:27,180
package will be submitted to the iepa
division of Public Water Supplies to

505
00:52:25,319 --> 00:52:31,200
review the project for compliance with
agency regulations

506
00:52:28,859 --> 00:52:35,099
as you can see this PUD Amendment
hearing will be followed by many

507
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,240
additional steps and reviews to ensure
the project is constructed in compliance

508
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:42,359
with about one state requirements
thank you for your time and

509
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:46,980
consideration and we'll hand it back
over to you

510
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:46,980
okay

511
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,200
so um

512
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:02,339
I'd like to highlight a couple of
aspects of the project as they relate to

513
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:06,180
the natural resource protection section
of the zoning

514
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:08,819
so the city sent us review comments
after we submitted our proposal back in

515
00:53:07,859 --> 00:53:15,420
September
and asked how we were meeting the buffer

516
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:20,460
yard requirements in table 154 605.3
while there are residences located on

517
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:25,380
Parcels immediately adjacent to the
accrue preliminary PUD plan and the

518
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:30,839
proposed acreage added as part of the
amendment these Parcels are generally

519
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:34,079
zoned limited AG original buffer yard is
required

520
00:53:31,859 --> 00:53:37,859
the medium density residential zoning
District to the north of the property is

521
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:44,880
separated from the development by a
right-of-way you can see that

522
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,880
okay

523
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:54,839
you see that right there because there's
a right-of-way that runs right through

524
00:53:52,859 --> 00:53:58,200
here
um

525
00:53:56,339 --> 00:54:04,740
and so perfectly in the zoning ordinance
154 605 F2 Buffy yards are not are

526
00:54:02,099 --> 00:54:08,960
required along only interior property
lines that have bought another property

527
00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:13,260
and that along streets or rights of way
therefore no buffer yard requirements

528
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:19,319
apply to the approved preliminary PUD
plant or the proposed amendment

529
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:23,099
however for General reference a Type 3
block yard is required to be at least 30

530
00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:28,380
feet wide
the actual distance between neighboring

531
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:34,440
parcels and our nearest Trail ranges
from about 80 feet to 350 feet

532
00:54:31,619 --> 00:54:39,780
and the buildings are further still
there is also a significant change in

533
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:45,359
elevation from which further reduces the
impact also for General events a Type 3

534
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:50,640
buffer yard would require a minimum of
about 565 landscape points for 100

535
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,059
million feet
based on the actual tree survey

536
00:54:52,559 --> 00:55:00,599
conducted around the Marine Hospital
there are about 10 six inch caliper or

537
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:04,740
larger existing trees per 100 million
feet in the wooded areas of the slopes

538
00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:09,300
separating the project from the
neighboring properties this would

539
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:13,680
provide 750 landscape points without
even considering all other existing

540
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:18,020
landscape elements such as smaller
climax climax trees and shrubbery

541
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:28,140
another question was regarding the
protection of steep swap areas as

542
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:35,460
required in table 154 503.1
this map shows steep slope areas the

543
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:41,040
green areas and our slopes from 20 to 30
percent and the yellow areas show slopes

544
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:46,440
over 30 percent
the areas in red show the areas of

545
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:54,240
disturbance within the 20 to 30 percent
slope areas and the areas in dark blue

546
00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:59,240
show the areas of disturbance within the
over 30 percent exposed

547
00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:06,240
according to table 154
503.1 for steep slopes and 20 to 30

548
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:12,720
percent in non-residential uses seventy
percent of the area shall be protected

549
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:17,819
the total protected area within the 20
to 30 percent slopes at the Parker

550
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:25,980
how he was this
is 92.81 percent

551
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:31,800
also according to the to table 154 503.1
for steep slopes over 30 percent in

552
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:38,400
non-residential uses 80 of the area
shall be protected as you can see the

553
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:42,540
total area protected of over 30 percent
at the Parker is 91.38

554
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,339
I would now like to turn it over to
Sandy for a summary

555
00:56:56,819 --> 00:57:04,460
but Beth is just handing out a copy so
you can follow along

556
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:04,460
um with the next section

557
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:13,559
so our hope is this presentation is
provided everyone with an understanding

558
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:18,359
of the positive changes this additional
acreage provides

559
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:22,859
next I am going to provide a summary of
our Amendment submission as it relates

560
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:26,819
to the sudden zoning approval criteria
from ordinance 154.920

561
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:34,220
so if you put up the seven valve going
through so people can follow along

562
00:57:34,859 --> 00:57:42,720
and see approval criteria the first
point whether the existing text or

563
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:47,339
zoning designation was an error at the
time of adoption

564
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:51,780
this criteria is not applied
the approved preliminary PUD plan has an

565
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,660
underlying plan commercial zoning
District which is appropriate for the

566
00:57:53,700 --> 00:58:00,900
project
and the 18.24 acre Edition is currently

567
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:05,819
in the county and in the general
agriculture District so the city's

568
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:09,599
existing texts and Zoning designation do
now apply

569
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:13,079
number two
whether there has been a change of

570
00:58:11,099 --> 00:58:17,700
character in the area or throughout the
city due to the installation of public

571
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:22,819
facilities other zone changes New Growth
Trends deterioration development

572
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:27,540
transitions Etc
there have been changes in the character

573
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:33,359
of the area including the following hey
the new Siege the new sewage treatment

574
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:37,619
plant was built with excess capacity to
allow for Community growth and the new

575
00:58:35,339 --> 00:58:42,240
location South of town altered the
sewage treatment plant service area

576
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:44,700
making this proper property readily
serviceable

577
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,319
the
tourism and outdoor recreation have

578
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:53,339
increased in this area and the approved
PUD and proposed amendment align with

579
00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:57,359
these changes
the development of the Galena River

580
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:01,440
Trail is a significant recreational
amenity which can be directly accessed

581
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,520
from the project
and Horseshoe Mountain Preserve has been

582
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:08,240
developed in the area with Blackjack
Road access

583
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,760
three
whether the proposed rezoning is

584
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:18,059
compatible with the surrounding area and
defining characteristics of the proposed

585
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:23,520
zoning District
for whether there may be adverse impacts

586
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:27,780
on the capacity for safety of the
portion of the street Network influenced

587
00:59:25,319 --> 00:59:32,400
by the rezoning parking problems or
environmental impacts that the new Zone

588
00:59:29,819 --> 00:59:37,140
May generate such as excessive storm
water runoff water air and noise

589
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:42,480
pollution excessive nighttime lighting
or other nuances

590
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:46,140
the proposed rezoning is compatible with
the surrounding area and the defining

591
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:53,280
characteristics of the proposed zoning
District in the following ways hey

592
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:57,599
this brings the 18.24 acre parcel into
the Pud but maintains The Limited

593
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,619
agricultural underlying zoning
designation resulting when the parcel is

594
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,579
annexed into the city
the it increases the percentage of open

595
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:11,940
space
see it reduces total paved area

596
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:16,799
the it reduces the project floor area
ratio that they are

597
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:19,920
e the added acreage is consistent with
Rural and agricultural nature of the

598
01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:25,140
area
F the project addresses traffic and

599
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:29,040
Parkinsons through the provisions of the
shuttle service from the resort and

600
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:34,619
through encouraging use of the Galena
River Trail

601
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:40,980
the additional 18.24 acre Park parcel
increases the total percentage of open

602
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:45,900
space from 80 to 84 percent creating
greater opportunities for Innovative

603
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:50,099
storm water management and age the
project uses dark sky lighting

604
01:00:47,819 --> 01:00:55,020
techniques and fixtures preserve the
views provided in the night sky in and

605
01:00:52,619 --> 01:01:00,059
around the wiener
thank you

606
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:04,319
four whether the proposal is in
conformance with an inference of the

607
01:01:02,339 --> 01:01:08,640
implementation of the goals and policies
of the comprehensive plan

608
01:01:06,299 --> 01:01:12,960
other adaptive plans and the policies
intents and requirements of this coach

609
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:15,380
and other city regulations and
guidelines

610
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:22,920
the proposed amendment complies with
City plans policy codes regulations and

611
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:27,299
guidelines the amended project shall
meet all requirements in the Galena

612
01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:31,079
building regulations Highway 20 overlay
District requirements stormwater

613
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:36,299
detention cross-connection Control
Ordinance and lighting standards and

614
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:42,119
requirements we will submit all required
permits and assurances at the

615
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:46,680
appropriate times to document compliance
the proposed amendment is in conformance

616
01:01:44,339 --> 01:01:51,299
with an inference of the implementation
of the goals and policy of the

617
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:55,799
comprehensive plan
hey the proposed amendment supports the

618
01:01:53,880 --> 01:02:00,660
comprehensive plan vision statement for
growth in the efficient and attractive

619
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:07,260
development of new land with the city
being proactive and annexated in the

620
01:02:03,299 --> 01:02:12,240
next annexing land to achieve its vision
the proposed amendment supports the

621
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:17,400
comprehensive plan vision statement for
physical environment by adhering to a

622
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:21,059
high standard timeliness maintaining
high air quality water and soil

623
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:26,460
protecting our historical and
Architectural character and protecting

624
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:32,700
and enhancing our natural resources in
that areas of the proposed additional

625
01:02:28,819 --> 01:02:37,319
18.24 Acres will be planned temporary
changes to project roadways and the

626
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:43,500
amendment reduce the amount of paid
Services by over 32 000 square feet

627
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:47,880
the wooded areas that will not be
disturbed is increased by approximately

628
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:54,180
four acres
see the comprehensive plan identifies

629
01:02:50,760 --> 01:03:00,540
planning goals in eight categories these
are listed in the comprehensive plan

630
01:02:55,980 --> 01:03:05,280
under element 10. as Beth provided our
proposal our proposed amendment supports

631
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:09,900
six of the eight categories
the other two categories relate to

632
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:14,280
housing and historic preservation
the housing category has now apply to

633
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:18,540
this project
and the original preliminary PUD

634
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:24,420
submitted does conform that the
historical preservation category

635
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:31,460
within that the proposed amendment
supports the comprehensive plan goals

636
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:36,540
under 10.1 Economic Development by
increasing the project trailing by a

637
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:41,640
mile to further develop the natural
resource base to provide additional

638
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:47,520
attraction for visitors to the area this
could include the construction of trails

639
01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:52,500
as outlining all sudden tourism
planting additional Prairie reducing the

640
01:03:50,099 --> 01:03:56,819
amount of paved surfaces by over 32 000
square feet and increasing the amount of

641
01:03:54,900 --> 01:04:02,160
wooded areas that will not be disturbed
by approximately four acres

642
01:03:59,819 --> 01:04:06,599
this continued to protect the natural
environment that provides the base

643
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:13,079
support for tourism in and around Galena
which is goal seven tourism

644
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:19,380
indeed the proposed amendment supports
the comprehensive plan goals under 10.3

645
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:24,059
Transportation by providing additional
parking outside of the downtown area and

646
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:28,680
developing a shuttle service to and from
the downtown area at each season which

647
01:04:26,579 --> 01:04:33,540
is in goal three address Downtown
parking issues and providing an

648
01:04:31,859 --> 01:04:38,400
additional mile of walking trails that
are connected to the Galena River Trail

649
01:04:35,819 --> 01:04:43,680
to encourage visitors to walk from
parking areas into the downtown by

650
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:48,599
creating ads from parking areas that
take visitors past historic structures

651
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:51,680
which is in goal three address Downtown
parking issues

652
01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:58,760
each the proposed amendment supports
comprehensive plan gold under 1024

653
01:04:56,579 --> 01:05:04,500
public and Community facilities Services
services and utilities bye

654
01:05:02,339 --> 01:05:08,880
increasing the percentage of open space
in the amended project improved storm

655
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:14,040
water management opportunities
Innovative infiltration and detention

656
01:05:11,099 --> 01:05:20,160
methods such as raining rain Gardens and
bile swallows will be incorporated to

657
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:24,720
manage sites storm water improving storm
water management and making developing

658
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:29,700
areas to ensure that the current storm
water concerns are not persons which is

659
01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:34,619
angle too
and by providing increased property tax

660
01:05:32,339 --> 01:05:40,500
revenues that can be directed to the
city by the city to address the capital

661
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:44,520
equipment and staffing needs for the
police and fire departments as both will

662
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:51,079
require additional equipment and staff
and the community growth and tourism

663
01:05:46,619 --> 01:05:51,079
increases which is what's in goal nine

664
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:57,720
at the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan goals under 10.6

665
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:02,420
natural resources
by planting areas of the proposed

666
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:07,619
additional 18.24 acres and query
changing project roadways and reducing

667
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:12,000
minimum paid Services by over 32 000
square feet and increasing the amount of

668
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:16,380
wooded areas that will not be disturbed
by approximately four acres

669
01:06:14,339 --> 01:06:20,640
continuing to use the natural beauty of
the region to attract tourists and

670
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:24,720
ensuring that development is consistent
with the premise protecting the

671
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:28,980
environment which is listed in goal one
to protect and preserve the natural

672
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:36,539
beauty in and around city of Arena
being the proposed amendment supports

673
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:43,440
the comprehensive plan goals under 10.7
land use and development by annexing

674
01:06:40,099 --> 01:06:47,520
18.24 acre Edition to meet the goal that
all new development on the edge of the

675
01:06:45,299 --> 01:06:53,839
city annexed through the city to gain
access to city sewer and water utilities

676
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,839
which is in goal 13.

677
01:06:54,059 --> 01:07:02,960
H the proposed amendment supports the
comprehensive plan rules under 10.8

678
01:06:59,780 --> 01:07:07,559
intergovernmental cooperation by
maintaining the default limited

679
01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:14,220
agricultural zoning designations upon
annexation of the proposed 18.24 acre

680
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:19,799
Edition planting of the 18.24 Acres
century and Vineyard and increasing the

681
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:28,319
Project's overall Park light Atmosphere
by increasing landscape surface ratio to

682
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:33,839
84 and reducing the lower area ratio to
3.6 to protect and maintain the World

683
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:37,859
characters of the city of Galena and
surrounding areas as the city of Galena

684
01:07:36,059 --> 01:07:42,720
and the region grow
going back to the fifth point from the

685
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:47,099
ordinance whether adequate public
facilities and services are available or

686
01:07:45,180 --> 01:07:51,180
would be made available concurrent with
projected impacts to development in the

687
01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:56,160
proposed Zone
adequate Public Service facilities are

688
01:07:53,339 --> 01:08:01,079
available to serve this project
the partner will be served by Six Flags

689
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:05,400
who are the sewage treatment plant was
constructed with excess capacity to

690
01:08:03,539 --> 01:08:09,780
accommodate growth and there is also
excess storage in the water system to

691
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:14,760
accommodate growth the project will have
access to City police and fire and to

692
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:19,799
EMS services
the sixth point in the ordinance whether

693
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:24,299
there is an adequate supply of land
available in the subject area and the

694
01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:28,679
surrounding Community to accommodate the
zonings and communities

695
01:08:26,699 --> 01:08:33,000
there is an adequate supply of land
available in the subject area and the

696
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:37,040
surrounding Community to accommodate the
zoning Community needs

697
01:08:35,219 --> 01:08:44,400
both the existing
78.79 improved preliminary PUD area and

698
01:08:40,679 --> 01:08:48,359
the proposed 18.24 acre Edition are
adequate to accommodate the zoning and

699
01:08:46,739 --> 01:08:53,040
communities
and the project is located on the

700
01:08:50,819 --> 01:08:56,600
southern end of the corporate limits
where land Supply is

701
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:03,239
and the seventh Point whether there is a
need in the community for the proposal

702
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:07,739
and whether there will be benefits
derived from the community or area by

703
01:09:05,699 --> 01:09:11,759
the proposed rezoning
there is a need in the community for the

704
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:17,520
proposal as the proposed amendment will
increase the community tax base and

705
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:21,839
increase recreational amenities with
adding a mild Trail

706
01:09:19,739 --> 01:09:26,420
the community will derive benefits from
the proposed amendment including

707
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:32,100
increased walking trails by one mile
provision of a destination amenity

708
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:38,100
supported by City Water and Sewer the
additional 18.24 acre parcel allowing

709
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:41,520
for increased open space from 80 to 84
percent

710
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:46,799
reduce treatment removal for the overall
project improved opportunities for

711
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:52,620
Innovative storm water management
a reduction in the Project's paved areas

712
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:58,219
by over 32 000 square feet and a floor
area ratio reduction to 3.6 percent

713
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:04,940
and

714
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:15,719
we hope our actions today reflect that
approach

715
01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:20,040
on behalf of our entire team we thank
you for your consideration tonight and

716
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:25,640
we're very excited to work with you on
this and we welcome the questions we may

717
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:31,500
have any questions for the applicant
yes a couple of questions

718
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:38,460
so appreciate what you've shown us very
nice uh my first question runs around

719
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:43,320
you mentioned that uh doing this could
potentially increase the staffing needs

720
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:47,640
for the police fire departments and EMS
services and that you'll have access to

721
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:52,980
that have you spoken with those
departments to understand how much this

722
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:59,580
will impact them so
um actually what we stated in this is

723
01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:04,020
that as part of the comprehensive plan
it's identifying that there will be a

724
01:11:01,739 --> 01:11:08,400
need to support increase Staffing that
happens through tourism and so what

725
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:14,340
we're saying is the tax base will allow
the city to pay for increases

726
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:18,659
um there was
um

727
01:11:15,659 --> 01:11:18,659
foreign

728
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:27,240
PUD on the emergency services and talk
around that

729
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:30,340
um
[Music]

730
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:39,719
so during the April 25th uh 2022 city
council meeting Gary West and Meyer

731
01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:44,460
stated he had talked with the fire chief
the police chief and EMS and they all

732
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:48,840
had no problem with development so that
was from the original PUD I do

733
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:52,679
understand that I did read that in the
package I received that they have no

734
01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:57,360
problem with the development my question
was more around the I'll say return on

735
01:11:55,260 --> 01:12:03,179
investment for the city how much in tax
dollars this will supply US versus will

736
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:08,460
it impact us from a staffing perspective
from our Emergency Services well I I

737
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:12,300
can't answer that because I don't know
the numbers of Staffing that you

738
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:16,739
currently have or what your group would
project they would need additionally

739
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:21,179
thank you
um

740
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:26,580
one quick question I realized this
regards the original already approved

741
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:31,980
plans but we're refreshed by memory 4th
Street on the map here shows us that

742
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:35,580
it's still a viable student if I
remember correctly that was going to be

743
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:39,420
for emergency purposes only yeah and the
plan we have talked about will have a

744
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:44,520
date there so that it can be used if
need be but it won't be used for

745
01:12:41,580 --> 01:12:50,219
visitors
no one question when this was originally

746
01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:55,020
approved by the city council and we had
the public hearing there was a lot of

747
01:12:52,560 --> 01:13:00,900
talk about erosion from The Vineyards
and you're gonna add

748
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:06,060
several Acres of Vineyards to this with
the additional

749
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:10,199
18 Acres was there an issue with runoff
or erosion from the original uh

750
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:13,440
Vineyards that were put in I would I
have not heard and I have not received

751
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,760
any complaints or heard of any
complaints in the United States

752
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:32,600
it's the
the area between the roads it's grown

753
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:37,560
it's green it's not dirt so there really
issues the only reason I asked because

754
01:13:35,219 --> 01:13:41,460
it was a big issue the last Republic
hearing about it and I was wondering if

755
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:45,659
there wasn't any issue with it well I'm
sorry most people tell me to be quiet I

756
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:50,040
said that the last meeting there was
concern about erosion from The Vineyard

757
01:13:48,179 --> 01:13:53,820
that we're going to be put in and I
wanted to know if there was any issue

758
01:13:52,679 --> 01:13:57,780
with it
is this additional vision is going to

759
01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:00,659
God's problem and to me it sounds like
there hasn't been an issue with the

760
01:13:59,219 --> 01:14:05,400
original opinions that were put in as
far as any erosion we did have quite a

761
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:11,940
bit of rain here this last year that
would have caused it if it was yeah

762
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:14,580
you'll see that it basically is it looks
like

763
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:20,100
um
brass but uh and you know with some uh

764
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:24,300
thick thicker leaves in there and things
but it's pretty much green but the rose

765
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,800
down the middle okay that's all I wanted
to know thank you

766
01:14:26,340 --> 01:14:34,860
any other questions hey everyone
um yesterday the uh

767
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:41,159
we had an election and there was a
referendum regarding uh

768
01:14:37,699 --> 01:14:46,679
increase in or development one or the
other

769
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:50,820
of EMS tax uh are all of these units
subject to that tax

770
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:54,120
I would say they would be
well they could be and again I don't

771
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,739
know if that passed or not but well you
did well wouldn't they fall under the

772
01:14:55,679 --> 01:15:03,239
city already has
the that tax only

773
01:15:00,659 --> 01:15:06,480
the city has a tax I I can't speak to
that because I'm not 100 sure what that

774
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,719
tax is it's accounting something to put
it through but I would assume they fall

775
01:15:07,980 --> 01:15:14,940
on it I can't speak because I vote
yesterday was strictly uh an advisory

776
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:20,699
and it wasn't a lot of man yeah so now
stood up to the accounting board to

777
01:15:16,980 --> 01:15:25,440
determine whether or not to approve it
and so we already have that tax

778
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:32,179
I can't say if that's simply on the
county day but

779
01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:32,179
thank you all right any other questions

780
01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:42,380
okay if not is there anyone else to
speak in favor of the

781
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:45,320
proposal

782
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:50,300
anyone else to speak in favor

783
01:15:52,380 --> 01:15:59,520
for the third time anyone else is making
a favor okay

784
01:15:56,699 --> 01:16:03,360
and it goes to speak in objections
come forward sir oh

785
01:16:01,739 --> 01:16:06,380
I didn't see your hand go up young lady
but you're up here at Cabana

786
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:14,960
state your name and your address for the
record Randy Clark 1107 4th Street in

787
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,960
Galena

788
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,300
we can share yeah

789
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:32,640
um I had come prepared to do a
PowerPoint presentation so I'd ask he

790
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:36,900
was told that although there's no
written policy anywhere

791
01:16:34,739 --> 01:16:41,100
um or any indication in any materials
anywhere apparently a pornos are not

792
01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:45,780
allowed to show PowerPoint presentation
so I just want you to know that um

793
01:16:43,739 --> 01:16:50,100
following along on the handout is going
to be important to kind of guiding in

794
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:55,620
what I say most of it is information
that you can see also if you happen to

795
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:59,100
have the application handy
um to look at that as well but I've

796
01:16:57,300 --> 01:17:04,140
tried to put the appropriate pieces of
it on on the handout stuff that you can

797
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:07,860
see and I apologize to the audience who
isn't going to be able to see some of

798
01:17:05,699 --> 01:17:10,980
that I'm talking about
um first of all it's just important for

799
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:15,480
me to say that I am here in the same
capacity as many others are here as a

800
01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:19,920
resident and a neighboring property
owner uh expressing my concerns about

801
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:23,940
the Parker Resort and specifically about
the amended Pub plan

802
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:31,020
um
I wanted to give a little bit of context

803
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:35,640
just um that for actually almost exactly
a year ago a year and two days ago four

804
01:17:33,719 --> 01:17:39,719
of us that represent
um then nine now there's ten adjoining

805
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:45,540
households first heard about the resort
proposal and then between then and

806
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:48,659
January of this year I and others
repeatedly asked the city for

807
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:52,560
information so that we could carefully
and correctly consider what was being

808
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:57,060
performed oh we were told that the city
had no application or other materials

809
01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:01,800
until January 20th when the application
was submitted to the state the city is

810
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:06,300
by ordinance required to review the
application for adequacy prior to

811
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:09,960
scheduling and hearing so by that it
appears they completed their review in a

812
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:13,280
day or two because the very next day or
the day after that notice was sent out

813
01:18:11,699 --> 01:18:17,400
and was scheduled
the board and the public were allowed

814
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,460
barely two weeks to read and comprehend
an enormously complex and impact of

815
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:25,140
proposal
and then four months later the city had

816
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:30,120
approved everything that the developer
had asked for virtually unchanged

817
01:18:27,420 --> 01:18:33,300
without addressing or considering any of
the questions or concerns that the

818
01:18:31,739 --> 01:18:37,980
residents and neighbors had expressed
along the way many many questions have

819
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:42,239
been raised some of them have been
answered just with information

820
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:46,440
tonight and in other places but there's
still an awful lot of questions that

821
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:49,860
remain so here we are again
I'd hope that this amendment might

822
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:54,840
address some of the concerns that have
been raised but unfortunately it doesn't

823
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:59,340
it's simply it isn't really an improved
design I wouldn't say because the entire

824
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:04,320
PUD the commercial portion of it stays
basically the same what it does in

825
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:08,280
essence is it shifts the access road
about a quarter mile at five times the

826
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:11,219
doubles are Vineyard acreage and it
reorganizes the phases and then there

827
01:19:10,140 --> 01:19:15,780
are a few other things that are
mentioned in the proposal

828
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:19,980
um there is some additional information
that was provided in the presentation

829
01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:24,600
tonight that was not available to us the
public in order to consider and provide

830
01:19:22,020 --> 01:19:28,500
our comments so I do apologize if some
of what I say

831
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:32,940
um doesn't directly address some of the
things that you've heard tonight but

832
01:19:29,820 --> 01:19:36,540
that information was not available to us
um nevertheless I'll continue

833
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:40,199
um I want to provide a little bit of
background as well

834
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:45,840
um we're talking about a PUD here we're
talking about an approved PUD and a

835
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:50,640
mending a PUD to add some anchors to it
that for anyone here who doesn't know

836
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:54,900
I'm not talking about you guys it
creates an entirely new Zone in this

837
01:19:52,320 --> 01:20:01,620
trip and it needs to lay out certain
specific conditions that's referenced in

838
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:06,719
154923h but in other places as well for
use in that new unique District like any

839
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:11,520
other zoning District if you read the
descriptions of zoning districts in the

840
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:16,140
zoning ordinances they require detailed
descriptions of exactly what uses

841
01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:20,159
activities intensity deviations and
other conditions are allowed in the case

842
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:23,520
of up to you do you sometimes you just
say they're bringing stuff in from the

843
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,900
underlying District but that needs to be
explicitly stated and other things need

844
01:20:25,860 --> 01:20:32,219
to be explicitly stated as well
so essentially tonight what's happening

845
01:20:30,659 --> 01:20:36,600
is you're determining whether this
promotes proposed amendment has a

846
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:39,960
sufficient detail that's needed to
provide a recommendation to the city

847
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:43,080
council about whether or not to approve
this as all or part of our new zoning

848
01:20:42,179 --> 01:20:45,719
District
so I'm going to go through some key

849
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:50,040
parts of the application under
consideration to show you that critical

850
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:54,659
information is lacking and that the
application like the preliminary plan

851
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:58,320
that it would amend fails to demonstrate
conformance with numerous ordinances and

852
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,440
other requirements
on page three of the handout that you're

853
01:21:00,179 --> 01:21:05,219
looking at
um just note that there are a couple of

854
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:11,159
different um ordinances that I reference
up there 154 301 f2a and B those aren't

855
01:21:09,179 --> 01:21:16,199
of any huge significance they just
indicate um with or without an approved

856
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:22,920
um
um ODP operation operational development

857
01:21:20,699 --> 01:21:27,780
plan I believe so flipping to the next
page page four of the handout

858
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:32,580
um page 23 of the application under
considered filtration tonight says that

859
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:36,300
um consideration of compliance with an
approved ODP is not applicable

860
01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:41,219
presumably because there isn't one or
that's not part of this process and yet

861
01:21:38,820 --> 01:21:47,219
as shown on the page that you have there
are several references page six nine ten

862
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:52,199
and other places that do reference
um and outline development plan so my

863
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:57,600
reason for bringing this up is to create
is to show you an example of how there's

864
01:21:55,140 --> 01:22:01,380
confusion about this process about what
actually are women ending and if you

865
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:05,280
haven't already here and you don't again
I'm nitpicking a small part of the

866
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:08,880
ordinance but what it illustrates is
that you either go this direction and

867
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:12,420
you need these approvals and you do
these parts of the process or there are

868
01:22:10,620 --> 01:22:17,699
different things you do if you're going
the other way and if this isn't really

869
01:22:14,820 --> 01:22:21,960
clear about something like that
um it begs the question of what else is

870
01:22:19,739 --> 01:22:26,280
not clear in here
um if we're unclear about what courses

871
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:30,239
apply and what ordinances actually apply
to this how can we demonstrate

872
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:34,260
conformance and how can we therefore
recommend this for approval by the

873
01:22:33,179 --> 01:22:39,540
council
page five of the handout I showed the

874
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:42,000
first page of the application that was
provided

875
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:47,340
um
neither this document meaning the

876
01:22:44,940 --> 01:22:53,520
application nor the original plan that
was approved fulfill the requirements of

877
01:22:49,860 --> 01:22:58,260
154 301 f2b9 sorry to Rattle that off
but there it is neither document

878
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:02,820
actually addresses the relationship of
the project to the adjacent land uses

879
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:06,900
nor did either one adequately address
the relationship to the comprehensive

880
01:23:04,679 --> 01:23:11,600
plan or to other plans for the community
criteria all of which I will discuss

881
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:19,440
um on page six
um I referenced um the first few pages

882
01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:23,940
of the application they're very unclear
as to their purpose and they add

883
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:27,600
confusion to the application
um I have some sample questions on what

884
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:31,800
would have been the slide if you've been
able to see it

885
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:36,060
um that show just examples of how this
part of the application provides

886
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:41,100
incomplete information it spins
information essentially and I get that

887
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:45,600
the job of the applicant is to try to
convince you that the project they want

888
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:49,140
to do needs requirements and does lots
of good things there's nothing wrong

889
01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:53,219
with that but in an application that
you're using to develop a zoning

890
01:23:50,699 --> 01:23:56,640
District it needs to be more clean of
that kind of thing and just sort of

891
01:23:54,600 --> 01:24:00,659
answer the questions
um and the first few pages are I find

892
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:06,420
them fairly misleading in terms of
providing useful information

893
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:10,320
um with which to decide if um there's
enough here to create a new zoning

894
01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:15,239
District or to amend the zombie District
that was created

895
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:18,420
um I wish that I had time to go through
each page to point out all that

896
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,840
information I guess maybe I could have
done that but we'd be here all night and

897
01:24:19,980 --> 01:24:27,659
I don't think anybody wants that so what
I have is more of a sampling

898
01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:33,120
um page seven of the handout references
page five of the application

899
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:38,520
um whether or not something conforms or
how you bring things from underlying

900
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:42,120
zoning districts has to be based on the
actual verbiage of the ordinance

901
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:45,480
professor of verbiage is the real word
but anyway

902
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:49,560
um not on a paraphrase version you have
to look at the actual language of the

903
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:54,120
ordinance and see what you are or aren't
going to bring in or deviate from so

904
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:58,560
just to be clear as I've shown in the
side of the image on the page limited

905
01:24:56,940 --> 01:25:04,560
agriculture which would be the
underlying zoning of the part that's

906
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:11,760
being brought in and amended is its
purpose per 154 201

907
01:25:07,460 --> 01:25:17,219
A1 is to permit development of a highly
rural community character

908
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:22,100
um just to be clear about that then in
other portions of the zoning Code table

909
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:22,100
154

910
01:25:22,460 --> 01:25:31,020
4031-154-406 B6 and other places
um the allow uses in limited agriculture

911
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:35,400
are described yet the proposal lacks
information about which of those would

912
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:40,739
be or would not be adopted into the Pud
District we've been told it will remain

913
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:45,659
limited AG but we've also told been told
it's going to be part of this new

914
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:51,360
creative PUD District which is its own
zoning District so it's it's it needs to

915
01:25:48,780 --> 01:25:56,400
be pretty clear what of the limited AG
stop is being brought in and what isn't

916
01:25:53,699 --> 01:26:00,659
and what uses will actually conform as
part of this newly created District

917
01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:06,060
so for example
um on the new 18.24 Acres there will be

918
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:10,560
a major access road to a planned
commercial zoning District

919
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:14,580
um the county has said that they want to
consider in in looking at how that

920
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:18,960
affects Blackjack to consider it not as
a driveway but as actually a local road

921
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:23,880
because of the amount of traffic that it
will have so is that a permitted use of

922
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:28,020
limited AG or does that require some
sort of exception or deviation or

923
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:33,420
something to be incorporated into the
zoning code to account for it or into

924
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:37,260
the Pud ordinance when that gets created
um also questions about cutting there

925
01:26:35,580 --> 01:26:41,400
was more information tonight that was
presented than is available in the

926
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:47,219
document about the amount of acreage to
the amount of Woodland to be cut but

927
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:51,600
again in limited agriculture there are
some restrictions on that and permits

928
01:26:49,139 --> 01:26:56,820
required so we've seen in other parts of
the Pud certain things are said um that

929
01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:01,139
would need to be a permit that would be
required by right Etc but again it needs

930
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:06,960
to specify we need to sort of know so
that down the road somebody has in hand

931
01:27:03,980 --> 01:27:12,000
exactly what is and isn't allowed in
this whole big Community District

932
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,719
um Vineyards there's been a lack of
information about Vineyards I'm happy to

933
01:27:14,219 --> 01:27:20,460
hear that erosion doesn't seem to have
been a problem so far that's good news

934
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:25,679
but there's also things like pesticide
use that hasn't really been addressed if

935
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:30,420
they do or don't plan to use it this is
within the city limits pesticide they're

936
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:35,340
actually not the same as some of the
other agricultural chemicals some of

937
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:38,820
them are controlled and require permits
to apply it's not like going out and

938
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:44,580
throwing in hydrogenly on the field or
me out there spraying Weeds on in the

939
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:49,440
yard so that is some information is
that's needed because this is the idea

940
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:53,159
here is that this is going to be within
the city limits so right now it's out

941
01:27:51,659 --> 01:27:55,800
there on a farm and different rules
apply but once it's part of the city

942
01:27:54,540 --> 01:27:59,940
limit
we have our own rules within the city

943
01:27:57,659 --> 01:28:04,620
limit and so um those things need to be
specified Vineyards also require

944
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:10,260
disposal of large quantities of
chemically treated pruned plant material

945
01:28:06,659 --> 01:28:13,580
Rooney is a major major part of Vineyard
management

946
01:28:11,460 --> 01:28:19,320
per table
154-3011 composting operations within

947
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:23,940
the city limit require permit okay fine
we also know that within the city we get

948
01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:28,080
open bearing has been banned so it would
be helpful to know what method is going

949
01:28:26,219 --> 01:28:32,060
to be used this is something that is
generated by um

950
01:28:33,719 --> 01:28:42,120
also the AG operation The Vineyard
growing of vines will be on City Water

951
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:46,980
and Sewer there's been absolutely zero
discussion about wine production I don't

952
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:51,360
know I mean there are growing grapes and
there's a winery so it kind of seems

953
01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:55,440
like they're going to make the wine from
the grapes and have it at the winery but

954
01:28:53,699 --> 01:29:01,020
it's not clear whether that production
is going to happen on site or not if so

955
01:28:58,260 --> 01:29:05,340
that's a serious um that's an
agricultural operation or service

956
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:09,179
modeling of an Agricultural Product is
something that needs to be identified as

957
01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:13,500
to whether or not that is occurring and
is allowed in this District those are

958
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:17,280
all things that need to be addressed and
answered if they're not planning on

959
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:23,760
doing that what does that mean in terms
of transporting the stuff off site and

960
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:29,340
so on that's another issue but also if
wine production is occurring on the site

961
01:29:26,460 --> 01:29:32,580
um wine production there's Publications
that talk about the challenges for

962
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:35,699
wastewater treatment because of the
chemicals that are used in wine

963
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:40,560
production itself and then the nature of
the splint waste that's produced so we

964
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:44,400
have plenty of capacity apparently in
the sewer system in the water system but

965
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:48,960
do we have the capacity and the ability
to handle that kind of specialized

966
01:29:46,679 --> 01:29:56,219
essentially industrial AG production
waste that question needs to be answered

967
01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:02,100
moving on to page 8 of the handout which
references page six of the plan or of

968
01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:07,500
the application
um throughout the zoning review criteria

969
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:11,460
there are various references to the fact
that an application shall demonstrate

970
01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:16,320
conformance with the comprehensive plan
and other adopted plans now we've heard

971
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:20,340
discussion about oh we heard a
presentation that says the comprehensive

972
01:30:18,780 --> 01:30:24,600
plan is just a guide and it's just a
recommendation but this our zoning

973
01:30:22,860 --> 01:30:30,060
ordinances say
that we shall demonstrate performance

974
01:30:28,139 --> 01:30:35,639
with the plan that's a requirement and
demonstrate means show how it conforms

975
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:40,500
um so the application needs to do a more
thorough job of that now um it doesn't

976
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:45,179
mean show how things are supported by
and so on it means they have to show how

977
01:30:42,659 --> 01:30:49,139
it conforms or doesn't there's
information that was presented tonight

978
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:54,420
that in addition to that which has been
made available previously about the

979
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:58,440
applicants of you I guess I'll say in
terms of how things conform to the

980
01:30:56,340 --> 01:31:01,020
comprehensive plan things in the
comprehensive plan some of them are

981
01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:04,920
definitely things that require
discussion and interpretation not

982
01:31:03,179 --> 01:31:09,239
everything is clear-cut oh yep the
supplies are oh yeah that doesn't yeah

983
01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:14,940
this works and it doesn't but all of
that needs to be documented it needs to

984
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:19,920
be shown shall be demonstrated in order
to be able to move forward with this and

985
01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:24,659
again add on to the existing filming
district and that was something that

986
01:31:21,179 --> 01:31:28,800
wasn't um done previously either
um conformance to the plan does not mean

987
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:32,699
cherry picking goals or objectives that
fit as the application seems to do

988
01:31:30,900 --> 01:31:36,840
although again tonight there was a
slightly more thorough going through of

989
01:31:34,860 --> 01:31:42,360
things
the underlying text on the handout that

990
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:48,540
you have refers to comprehensive plan
goal 10.6.1 But it includes several

991
01:31:46,380 --> 01:31:55,199
objectives and actions that are not
mentioned at least in the application

992
01:31:51,420 --> 01:32:01,199
um so what got um at least not discussed
in the printout application is the

993
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:04,920
objectives goal one product protect and
preserve the natural beauty in and

994
01:32:02,940 --> 01:32:09,179
around the city of Galena and part of
that is identifying areas that should

995
01:32:06,780 --> 01:32:16,320
remain undeveloped and then directing
growth to targeted areas

996
01:32:12,420 --> 01:32:21,060
um moving on to page 10 of the handout
um you've seen this image before

997
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:24,719
um I I would have loved it to be on the
screen as well so you can see it a

998
01:32:22,739 --> 01:32:29,580
little better but here we are
um section 10.8 of the comprehensive

999
01:32:27,179 --> 01:32:34,080
plan has the goal of protecting and
maintaining the girl character and the

1000
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:40,560
objectives and actions include
um working to direct growth into the

1001
01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:45,300
contiguous growth areas and also
um agreeing on

1002
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:49,860
use a land use map that will be used
during to make land use decisions and as

1003
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:57,120
you heard earlier those things have been
done again some of the ordinances are a

1004
01:32:53,880 --> 01:33:00,179
fire shall demonstrate conformance where
um

1005
01:32:57,900 --> 01:33:05,219
this comprehensive plan tells us to
direct growth into the contiguous growth

1006
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:09,600
areas I understand that over time those
could be changed but they need to be

1007
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:14,159
changed through an appropriate process
the ones that were identified in the

1008
01:33:12,060 --> 01:33:17,400
plan as it is now were identified
through a pretty thorough process that

1009
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:21,420
involved the county and I believe the
townships as well public review and so

1010
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:24,540
on so it's not something we can just
sort of throw out and say well you know

1011
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:28,980
that was a nice idea but we want to put
one here we have to conform we have to

1012
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:32,580
comply to it that's the requirement
right now and if there's a need to

1013
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:36,540
change that then
um then that's okay but the process is

1014
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:39,780
the standard
um

1015
01:33:37,260 --> 01:33:44,820
you can infer that areas that are not
identified as contiguous growth areas or

1016
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:51,239
identified for annexation are there for
areas that should remain undeveloped for

1017
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:55,679
comprehensive plan goal 10.6.1
um if that's been characterized as oh

1018
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:59,940
well no decision was made about that I'm
I don't believe in reading the

1019
01:33:57,420 --> 01:34:04,440
comprehensive plan that areas were just
sort of forgotten about or left out they

1020
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:10,620
identified areas that growth should
occur in areas where it shouldn't it's

1021
01:34:07,739 --> 01:34:15,360
not included as a broker
um also an important point is that the

1022
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:21,360
city officially adopted that proposed
land use map per

1023
01:34:17,239 --> 01:34:26,580
156.01 app in the city code so we are
required to adhere to the city's

1024
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:33,360
proposed land use map
um if you go to the next page

1025
01:34:29,699 --> 01:34:38,340
um page 11 of the handout again the area
is not identified as a contiguous growth

1026
01:34:35,639 --> 01:34:43,560
area the nearest ones there was
mentioning of those the nearest ones are

1027
01:34:40,679 --> 01:34:47,219
residential and green States they are
not identified as commercial development

1028
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:52,139
the nearest commercial development is a
small area up right along Highway 20

1029
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:57,960
that encompasses those businesses that
already existed up on Highway 20 when

1030
01:34:54,900 --> 01:35:00,780
the map was developed
um this application some more

1031
01:34:59,639 --> 01:35:04,440
information was given in the
presentation tonight I wasn't able to

1032
01:35:02,340 --> 01:35:10,620
capture all of it scribbling um in my
notes but I counted 74 total goals in

1033
01:35:08,699 --> 01:35:15,179
the comprehensive plan each one of which
has Associated objectives now not all of

1034
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:19,500
those are going to apply to every
project clearly but

1035
01:35:17,940 --> 01:35:24,420
the requirement to demonstrate
performance with the plan means

1036
01:35:21,179 --> 01:35:28,620
documenting which ones to apply how they
apply and how they are or aren't met or

1037
01:35:27,179 --> 01:35:32,880
at least the discussion and
interpretation that goes on about that

1038
01:35:30,780 --> 01:35:37,380
and that has not happened that's not
provided in the information here that

1039
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:41,159
you guys have to work with
um also some of the things about

1040
01:35:39,239 --> 01:35:44,639
comprehensive plan goals that I was
trying to just sort of capture from the

1041
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:48,659
other presentation
um just to kind of be complete here

1042
01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:51,920
um there was a reference and several
references about because we're talking

1043
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:57,540
about this amendment tonight about
reducing paved area and reducing things

1044
01:35:54,840 --> 01:36:03,000
and lessening impacts but remember we're
still talking about an entire eud that

1045
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:08,580
hasn't yet been completely established
or hasn't been developed yet and we're

1046
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:14,760
putting something in a place where there
isn't really all that stuff now so um I

1047
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:19,920
think that we need to be very careful in
what we hear as reducing impact to

1048
01:36:17,699 --> 01:36:24,960
something that is actually adding to an
area that doesn't have stuff already I

1049
01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:30,780
get the comparison with what um what's
in the commercial part of it versus

1050
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:34,679
what's in the AG part but overall again
when we're talking about performance

1051
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:40,500
with the comprehensive plan overall
we're not reducing unpaved area we're

1052
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:44,460
not reducing you know density and
intensity and so on so that's just

1053
01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:49,860
something to keep in mind again
part of this is trying to be clear about

1054
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:53,580
what exactly what specific things should
we be considering tonight as just part

1055
01:36:51,659 --> 01:36:58,260
of the amendment because the amendment
isn't just the 18.24 Acres it includes

1056
01:36:56,639 --> 01:37:02,460
the phasing and some things in the rest
of it so it's a little unclear but

1057
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:06,360
anyway I won't I won't um beat that
point I'm not making it very well but

1058
01:37:04,199 --> 01:37:10,380
again that's just something to be
concerned about there was reference to I

1059
01:37:08,820 --> 01:37:12,780
think it was goal 10.3 in the
comprehensive plan I'm not sure I

1060
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:18,960
captured the number right about
additional parking and I just really

1061
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:22,500
need to say that um that isn't correct
um that's talking about Downtown parking

1062
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:27,120
parking for people who just show up
Angelina what the partner will be

1063
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:30,840
providing is Park is Hotel parking it's
going to be around the Ramada parking

1064
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:35,820
lot or the Irish strategy and parking
it's parking for their guests which is

1065
01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:40,440
good it's a good thing right
um and maybe some of those guests will

1066
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:46,440
walk across the 97 Acres all the way to
downtown and not and I'm not trying to

1067
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:52,260
be sarcastic here I mean I'm being
realistic that some people may do make

1068
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:56,699
that law but if this brings additional
people to Galena and it's not at all

1069
01:37:54,239 --> 01:38:00,179
clear that it will actually but if it
does then great maybe we won't need

1070
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:04,020
quite as much parking for those
additional people that we might

1071
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:08,520
otherwise use but the fact is this does
not use the comprehensive title of

1072
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:12,239
dealing with parking issues that would
be one of those things I would say that

1073
01:38:10,020 --> 01:38:16,500
it just it's not relevant to this
proposal or it doesn't apply or it

1074
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:20,520
certainly doesn't perform
um and again the conformance with all of

1075
01:38:18,900 --> 01:38:24,120
these things really needs to be laid out
in the application so that you guys have

1076
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:28,199
all that information to work with in
your deliberations

1077
01:38:25,620 --> 01:38:32,159
moving on to page 12.
whether or not there's been a change of

1078
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:37,679
character in the area this reference is
page 10 of the actual application this

1079
01:38:35,699 --> 01:38:42,500
is addressed incorrectly
Community character is defined in a

1080
01:38:40,199 --> 01:38:48,060
zoning ordinance definitions
154.015 and it is the impression which

1081
01:38:45,719 --> 01:38:54,120
an area makes in regard to the type
intensity density quality appearance and

1082
01:38:51,659 --> 01:38:59,280
age of development in an area
so the area in which the whole Parker or

1083
01:38:57,540 --> 01:39:02,940
the amendment part whichever you want or
the added part whichever you want to

1084
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:06,560
talk about what is the character of that
area and has there been a significant

1085
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:10,980
change that that sort of warrants
putting this big thing there and

1086
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:17,699
rezoning it to this new District
in this case the character is and always

1087
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:23,639
has bang the type is rural residential
agricultural the density is and has

1088
01:39:21,239 --> 01:39:28,679
always been low density undeveloped
farmland and low density while it's

1089
01:39:26,580 --> 01:39:32,639
medium density residential Zone but the
actual character was on the ground is

1090
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:36,060
actually more like low density or
semi-rural because there's just you

1091
01:39:34,679 --> 01:39:41,060
can't put enough houses in there with
the floodplain issues

1092
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:47,760
um the quality is quiet a desirable
semi-rural neighborhood you have parents

1093
01:39:43,739 --> 01:39:52,980
semi-rural setting quiet dark the age of
development historic with some of the

1094
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:57,000
oldest houses in town my house was built
in 1838 Joy Wallace's house was built

1095
01:39:55,560 --> 01:40:01,739
before that and was one of the first
news in Molina

1096
01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:06,659
none of those characteristics the
character of the area none of that has

1097
01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:09,780
changed like since Galena began and
there's a few more houses there

1098
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:15,300
blackjacks busier so those are some some
changes but the overall feel and

1099
01:40:12,300 --> 01:40:20,219
function of the area is the same now as
it always has been so that does not

1100
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:23,280
support actually bringing in this
community

1101
01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:26,880
the sewage treatment plant across the
river keeps getting mentioned but it

1102
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:31,500
doesn't actually change the character of
the area it doesn't change these things

1103
01:40:28,620 --> 01:40:36,659
that I just mentioned particularly when
several properties in the area don't

1104
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:40,679
have access to it now so their character
is the same as they've done forever

1105
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:45,060
they're dealing with subjects
um and this proposal would not add

1106
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:49,679
access for them either
the historic district is not even

1107
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:54,480
mentioned but it is a key defining
characteristic of the area

1108
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:58,199
um item four in the rezoning review
criteria whether the proposed rezoning

1109
01:40:56,460 --> 01:41:03,120
is compatible with the surrounding area
I'm essentially just answered that um

1110
01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:09,420
it's answered incorrectly in the
application for what I just described

1111
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:13,260
also traffic problems not being
addressed traffic problems created by

1112
01:41:11,940 --> 01:41:17,639
the development are completely
incompatible with the capacity and the

1113
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:22,260
safety of the surrounding Street Network
that's a huge issue that's like the

1114
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:25,920
elephant in the room
um whether adequate public facilities

1115
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:31,679
and services are available or will be
made available first of all adequate

1116
01:41:28,739 --> 01:41:36,480
means we know that based on the need we
have the capacity and that hasn't been

1117
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,960
demonstrated the need is not showing and
that needs to be more than a

1118
01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:45,600
conversation between one city council
member and the EMS Services that's stuff

1119
01:41:42,659 --> 01:41:49,199
that needs to be documented that yep you
know this is how much they need and yet

1120
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:53,520
we have this amount of capacity and that
is not available in any of these

1121
01:41:51,179 --> 01:41:57,060
materials
um

1122
01:41:54,300 --> 01:42:02,820
also there's a good question about how
much capacity should we allocate to one

1123
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:07,380
large business because what we allocate
to that business is then unavailable to

1124
01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:10,980
Future development if we take a certain
amount out and I understand the students

1125
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:15,420
treatment plan apparently is not a lot
capacity which is great but we need to

1126
01:42:13,739 --> 01:42:21,300
talk about that that's an issue the
community needs to decide do we want to

1127
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:26,639
allocate that much to one business
and that question has not been answered

1128
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:32,880
also streets and roads are public
facilities and those are clearly

1129
01:42:29,639 --> 01:42:37,380
inadequate to serve this
moving on to page 13

1130
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:40,619
um whether there's a need in the
community for the proposal and whether

1131
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:46,440
there will be benefits derived by the
community or area

1132
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:50,400
again this is addressed incorrectly I
underline some statements in that it's

1133
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:54,239
number seven on page 11 of the
application

1134
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:58,440
um I I'm not going to go into detail
about them maybe I should but um there

1135
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:02,880
are some underlying statements for
example increasing the tax base

1136
01:43:00,500 --> 01:43:07,560
that actually is not supported by
information or evidence

1137
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:12,719
um it's simply speculation there will be
some property tax

1138
01:43:09,480 --> 01:43:16,980
um change I guess because of it um but
in terms of increasing the tax base

1139
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:19,980
brought by tourism it actually might
turn out to be a trade-off for placing

1140
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:22,800
tourists that aren't going to go to
other places and there's some very good

1141
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:28,260
information that's been compiled about
that now but regardless some of those

1142
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:32,880
statements are made just um As Nice
ideas that one would hope happens but

1143
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:36,840
they're not supported by information and
we need information we need to be pretty

1144
01:43:35,219 --> 01:43:40,139
sure that this is going to work out the
way they think before moving forward

1145
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:46,380
with it
um also one thing I want to note about

1146
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:51,060
the tax base that was not um
considered in some of the statements

1147
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:55,679
that were made before I came up here by
Ms Lawrence that um

1148
01:43:53,540 --> 01:43:59,520
you know we didn't have we don't have
the information I guess to say you know

1149
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:05,880
how what the impact is going to be to be
able to increase EMS services but

1150
01:44:02,940 --> 01:44:10,980
our EMS services are volunteer host of
them right a significant portion of them

1151
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:14,159
so we could have as big a tax base as we
want

1152
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:18,560
but unless we start hiring those
positions it's not necessarily going to

1153
01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:23,460
matter we have a shrinking population
there were 3 500 for a long time it's

1154
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:28,920
been slowly going down the 2020 census
was messed up but we're at like 3 300

1155
01:44:25,739 --> 01:44:33,360
3200 we have a decreasing pool of
available volunteers to serve in those

1156
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:37,020
positions and it doesn't right now
matter how much money we've provided if

1157
01:44:35,639 --> 01:44:41,880
we don't have enough people to fill
those positions that again is a really

1158
01:44:39,540 --> 01:44:45,659
key issue it may not be a primary
driving issue of this but it's something

1159
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:51,179
that needs to be considered
on page 14

1160
01:44:48,119 --> 01:44:57,060
um which is page 12 of the application
um this seems to be it's it's a you know

1161
01:44:54,060 --> 01:45:01,800
trying to lay out support for long-term
Community benefits and essentially what

1162
01:44:59,639 --> 01:45:06,780
this is getting at is that a PUD is to
be used only when long-term Community

1163
01:45:04,139 --> 01:45:10,860
benefits will be derived as a result of
the development

1164
01:45:07,860 --> 01:45:15,540
and the simplest way to do that is to
walk through the seven criteria listed

1165
01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:19,440
on the right hand side more efficient
infrastructure reduced traffic demands

1166
01:45:17,580 --> 01:45:24,239
greater quality and quantity of public
and or private open space other

1167
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:30,000
recreational amenities needed housing
types and or mixed Innovative designs

1168
01:45:27,060 --> 01:45:33,360
and or protection and or preservation of
Natural Resources I'm reading those

1169
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:37,139
because the folks who are listening
don't have the opportunity don't want to

1170
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:42,000
invest those criteria need to be
addressed now my apologies to the

1171
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:46,679
audience I wanted to show something that
I'm unable to show but on page 15 I have

1172
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:52,920
an example of a community from a
planning website and this shows how how

1173
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:57,780
to interpret those criteria a pewd is
used to allow changes from the

1174
01:45:55,380 --> 01:46:01,460
underlying zoning so in the example here
it's a low density or semi-rural

1175
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:07,440
residential in some sort
to provide Community benefits so the

1176
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:14,100
idea is it's a comparison with what the
underlying Zone normally would allow and

1177
01:46:10,860 --> 01:46:18,360
the example given here the Pud allows
them to Cluster the Lots at a higher

1178
01:46:16,260 --> 01:46:23,040
density than otherwise loud allowed
which provides certain benefits so you

1179
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:27,960
can design something that doesn't have
to conform to the existing underlines on

1180
01:46:25,380 --> 01:46:35,639
a designation in order to achieve
certain very specific Community benefits

1181
01:46:32,340 --> 01:46:39,360
so in the example the access road is
shortened and it requires fewer

1182
01:46:37,020 --> 01:46:42,900
easements and less utility services or
consolidates from so that responds to

1183
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:47,820
the question about more efficient
infrastructure the example of cluster

1184
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:53,940
development also shows room for common
state open space so it increases open

1185
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:59,040
space not based on some comparison with
a previously approved part of a plan but

1186
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:04,100
over what would be available in the
underlying default districts it adds

1187
01:47:01,980 --> 01:47:09,060
upon the trail providing a recreational
amenity available to everyone and it

1188
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:12,420
moves development away from steep smokes
and a wetland to protect natural

1189
01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:17,040
resources so again that's just going to
be an example to help give the context

1190
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:22,800
for the next part of what I'm going to
show you so on page 16 of the handout

1191
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:28,040
I'm just going to go through these
more efficient in this infrastructure

1192
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:32,940
The Proposal um
it goes the opposite direction so again

1193
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:37,980
it isn't taking the underlying District
of commercial or the underlying District

1194
01:47:34,980 --> 01:47:42,659
of Ag and finding a better way to
provide infrastructure to that or to the

1195
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:47,159
community at large is not efficient to
add a lot of complex hard to access

1196
01:47:44,820 --> 01:47:52,679
infrastructure that the city has to
maintain specific to the newly added 18

1197
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:59,040
makers adding infrastructure to limited
app is not efficient it's just not

1198
01:47:55,619 --> 01:48:02,760
reduce traffic demands The Proposal
fails to address this at all traffic

1199
01:48:01,260 --> 01:48:08,520
demands will increase this has been
recognized there's never been any

1200
01:48:04,679 --> 01:48:14,460
question both Illinois Dot and the
county requested that the city

1201
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:18,239
recommend or required require excuse me
they requested that the city require

1202
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:23,280
traffic studies to better understand the
level of congestion and crash risk that

1203
01:48:20,460 --> 01:48:27,360
will be increased but the city did not
ask for those and when asked why they

1204
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:31,920
said well it's not required
this is not only not a community benefit

1205
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:36,600
this is enormous and what I would
consider to be irresponsible Community

1206
01:48:33,659 --> 01:48:41,040
risk and it's been ignored which really
frustrates me because I go through that

1207
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:45,239
intersection almost every day
um regarding just the amendment lease

1208
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:50,520
just to keep on track with that if you
take underlying limited agriculture that

1209
01:48:48,119 --> 01:48:55,800
has a gravel driveway and you turn it
into a two-lane major local road that

1210
01:48:53,219 --> 01:49:01,320
serves a commercial District that is not
reducing traffic demand

1211
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:05,460
page 17.
um a greater quality and quantity of

1212
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:09,840
public and or private Opening space so
again relative to the example taking an

1213
01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:15,360
underlying district and doing something
different with the Pud to allow you to

1214
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:21,119
have more quality of either public or
private open space this continues to be

1215
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:24,719
addressed incorrectly and misleading the
definition giving and given in the

1216
01:49:22,679 --> 01:49:29,280
application refers to undeveloped or
underdeveloped space per what's in I

1217
01:49:27,300 --> 01:49:33,060
think it's in the zoning code but that
doesn't mean you include every square

1218
01:49:31,020 --> 01:49:38,100
inch of land without a building on it
which is how I was told when asked that

1219
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:42,119
they were calculating open space by that
calculation the strip of land between

1220
01:49:39,719 --> 01:49:47,760
Park Avenue and the sidewalk along Park
Avenue is open space by that definition

1221
01:49:44,659 --> 01:49:52,679
the Garden in front of the yard in front
of Patron Smith's house is open space so

1222
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:58,679
this application needs and actually
correct calculation of open space for

1223
01:49:55,619 --> 01:50:03,060
both parts of it and the fact is it's
going to reduce what would be there if

1224
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:07,679
you apply it to the underlying zoning
distance again just a small part

1225
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:13,260
probably on The Limited AG if you take a
small one lane Gravel Road driveway and

1226
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:17,460
you turn it into a two-lane thoroughfare
that meets whatever requirements it has

1227
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:23,460
to be that's going to reduce the open
space on that parcel also adding open

1228
01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:29,400
space by purchasing additional land is
not what the criteria is asking about

1229
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:33,000
page 18 and I apologize that this is
taking time that I I just had this shift

1230
01:50:31,500 --> 01:50:37,380
gears from kind of the way I was
originally um through this

1231
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:40,800
um criteria four other recreational
amenities

1232
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:45,179
again this is not going to be met the
recreational amenities will only be

1233
01:50:42,659 --> 01:50:50,159
available to paying desks we heard
verbally tonight that the trails will be

1234
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:55,560
open to the public but if that isn't
somehow codified or written down or

1235
01:50:52,139 --> 01:51:00,239
committed to then what that means is at
the whim of the owner those things could

1236
01:50:58,260 --> 01:51:04,679
be closed off to people which is fine
that's their that's their option it's

1237
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:09,960
private land they can do that but the
point is there is not demonstrated

1238
01:51:07,139 --> 01:51:13,739
addition of recreational amenities as a
community benefit and saying that the

1239
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:17,340
trails contribute to community benefit
when any day they might decide to shut

1240
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:20,880
it down
um which before as as Ms Lawrence

1241
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:25,260
pointed out the annexation agreement
says they're not going to be available

1242
01:51:22,619 --> 01:51:30,840
to the public that's not clearly
providing an upcoming benefit number

1243
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:36,179
five needed housing types and or units
The Proposal fails to address this maybe

1244
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:40,560
it's not applicable I don't know but um
actually the whole we can use we could

1245
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:44,699
potentially exact the need for
affordable housing that Galena currently

1246
01:51:42,780 --> 01:51:50,340
experiences that you hear about all the
time if in fact it requires hiring more

1247
01:51:48,300 --> 01:51:54,480
people it doesn't just sort of suck from
the labor pool downtown then those

1248
01:51:52,619 --> 01:51:58,560
people need to live somewhere I was
talking to who went out to eat at

1249
01:51:56,699 --> 01:52:04,139
campechai I'm not sure if that's how you
say it not that long ago and our server

1250
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:10,199
lives in Stockton and commutes from
Stockton that means she is driving on

1251
01:52:07,860 --> 01:52:14,280
that road adding to traffic and her rent
and her grocery money and her taxes and

1252
01:52:12,659 --> 01:52:19,679
everything else are going to Stockton
which is good perspective and it's part

1253
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:23,580
of the area but she can't live in Galena
because there's not affordable housing

1254
01:52:21,300 --> 01:52:28,320
here that she can get into if you are
going to hire more people in those kind

1255
01:52:25,980 --> 01:52:33,900
of service level jobs that's going to
exacerbate

1256
01:52:29,639 --> 01:52:37,739
page 19. um Innovative design number six
um this is one that has been

1257
01:52:35,219 --> 01:52:42,060
misinterpreted very consistently this is
not about pretty cabins or faithful

1258
01:52:40,139 --> 01:52:45,840
Rehabilitation of the Marine hospital as
have been discussed by certain other

1259
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:51,360
folks at different meetings this is
asking just like the example that I gave

1260
01:52:47,940 --> 01:52:55,020
you is there some new or creative way of
meeting the needs and I've got this

1261
01:52:53,340 --> 01:52:59,580
backward on the on the text here meeting
the needs of the development of the the

1262
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:05,639
things they're trying to provide that
will do so in a more efficient way and

1263
01:53:03,020 --> 01:53:09,119
do good things provide benefits to the
community and the answer here is clearly

1264
01:53:08,219 --> 01:53:13,260
now
I don't mean any insult to the people

1265
01:53:11,340 --> 01:53:18,239
developing this to say that there is
nothing Innovative about a resort that

1266
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:23,820
is scattered around Hotel an event venue
that's a really common thing that's just

1267
01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:27,960
um it's it's nicely laid out I'm sure
that everything will be done very well

1268
01:53:25,380 --> 01:53:32,699
but it doesn't provide an Innovative
Solution that's different from the

1269
01:53:30,659 --> 01:53:36,840
underlying district and allows for
Community benefits that's what this is

1270
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:41,639
asking for and this PUD and the
amendment don't don't meet those

1271
01:53:38,340 --> 01:53:45,900
criteria also specific to the amended
part the added eight to neighbors there

1272
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:51,119
isn't anything Innovative about planning
Vineyards and upgrading a road on what

1273
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:54,780
is currently pasture and driveway
um number seven Perfection and or

1274
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:59,639
preservation of Natural Resources again
another one that continues to be

1275
01:53:56,820 --> 01:54:03,780
addressed incorrectly on this bleedingly
um it's asking whether the protection

1276
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:08,699
and preservation of resources is
incorporated as a design feature we

1277
01:54:06,420 --> 01:54:13,440
heard firmly tonight that maybe there
are a few things that will be but um in

1278
01:54:11,460 --> 01:54:18,900
terms of the added parcel upgrading a
road from driveway to Major local access

1279
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:21,540
road is not protect natural resources as
a whole it doesn't appear to have

1280
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:25,500
features or at least they're not
included in the application material

1281
01:54:23,219 --> 01:54:29,340
that we have available to work with that
are designed to protect the known and

1282
01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:34,199
valued natural resources of concern in
the property it would likely in fact

1283
01:54:31,739 --> 01:54:38,580
damage habitat of several species listed
under The Endangered Species Act which

1284
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:44,159
could result in illegal tape if
consultation is not done and a habitat

1285
01:54:40,619 --> 01:54:49,020
conservation planes on page 20 I
included something that we can probably

1286
01:54:46,199 --> 01:54:53,400
go past fairly quickly but um just to
note that I I do consultations about

1287
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:56,760
endangered species routinely as part of
my job and so I queried the fish and

1288
01:54:55,320 --> 01:55:00,300
wildlife service database to come up
with a list of probable species

1289
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:04,020
occurring on the property and then I
validated that against consultations

1290
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:07,020
that have occurred in the immediate area
to show that there's a high likelihood

1291
01:55:05,699 --> 01:55:11,340
of these things are hurting on the
property I also asked a colleague of

1292
01:55:09,900 --> 01:55:15,500
mine with the fish and wildlife service
which has jurisdiction over federally

1293
01:55:14,100 --> 01:55:20,040
listed
certain and endangered species and and

1294
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:24,179
she replied that there could be
incidentality and that that needs to be

1295
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:28,260
addressed so part of why I'm bringing
this up is not to sort of beat anybody

1296
01:55:25,980 --> 01:55:31,800
over the hat or say ooh about you know
this might happen it's just something

1297
01:55:30,060 --> 01:55:36,980
that needs to be addressed procedurally
is something that needs to happen so

1298
01:55:33,900 --> 01:55:41,639
that's why in the zoning ordinance
154919 which is the non-administrative

1299
01:55:39,659 --> 01:55:47,280
development review common elements of
procedures Part B States and number one

1300
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:52,380
that the purpose of a pre-application
conference is among other things to

1301
01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:56,159
identify all the approvals necessary to
construct their proposed development

1302
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:59,880
identify the most significant issues
that the development will need to

1303
01:55:57,659 --> 01:56:02,639
address and provide the applicant with
Direction on how to meet the

1304
01:56:01,020 --> 01:56:07,679
requirements of that code and other
applicable codes regulations of policies

1305
01:56:05,159 --> 01:56:13,260
and I don't find anything to demonstrate
that that's been done it was good to

1306
01:56:10,980 --> 01:56:17,760
hear from I'm sorry I've forgotten his
name the engineer I'm talking about and

1307
01:56:15,659 --> 01:56:20,820
laying out the permits and things that
we'll be gone through but those things

1308
01:56:19,380 --> 01:56:24,900
are supposed to be part of the
pre-application review and documented in

1309
01:56:23,460 --> 01:56:29,580
the materials that you guys all have
available to me

1310
01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:33,239
um also the the potential Endangered
Species Act example that I gave I mean

1311
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:39,119
that's really not to do this as an
example is why

1312
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:43,739
154-919e2 recommends reviewed by other
agencies it recommends it because it's

1313
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:47,699
not going to require it all I need I
want to move my fence you know and

1314
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:51,659
encroach upon the right of way or you
don't need to consult with other

1315
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:56,040
agencies about that but presumably a
large complex proposal such as this

1316
01:56:53,639 --> 01:57:00,179
which clearly involves permits from
various agencies and has numerous

1317
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:04,920
concerns and issues should have warned
that kind of review

1318
01:57:01,500 --> 01:57:08,639
what that does when you do that is it it
allows you to find out what the bumps

1319
01:57:06,900 --> 01:57:12,840
and obstacles are going to be and design
accordingly anticipate that not

1320
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:16,400
necessarily in great detail but you know
oh gosh we're going to have to put you

1321
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:20,940
know do this we might need to avoid that
rather than finding out some of those

1322
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:25,020
obstacles by surprise further on
download

1323
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:30,719
page 21
um

1324
01:57:26,780 --> 01:57:36,900
154.301 B5 this is referencing page 13
of the application again it's talking

1325
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:41,880
about if you're going to uh deviate from
default standards in limited AG you need

1326
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:46,320
to show that
um there are Premier Community benefits

1327
01:57:44,219 --> 01:57:51,300
I mean it kind of ties to the whole use
of a ped thing so I've already discussed

1328
01:57:48,780 --> 01:57:56,400
that Community benefits are not clearly
demonstrated but I will point out that

1329
01:57:53,639 --> 01:58:01,980
on page 13 of the application the first
third and sixth bullets there

1330
01:57:58,460 --> 01:58:06,780
incorrectly describe private amenities
that are available only to paying Resort

1331
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:11,880
guests as Community benefits or public
facilities and that is incorrect

1332
01:58:09,300 --> 01:58:14,760
the second bullet continues to discuss
open space incorrectly as I've already

1333
01:58:13,860 --> 01:58:19,500
mentioned
the fourth fifth and sixth bullets are

1334
01:58:17,699 --> 01:58:23,340
promises that are unsupported by
information that is needed to

1335
01:58:21,239 --> 01:58:27,840
demonstrate Community benefits and
therefore conformance with the

1336
01:58:24,780 --> 01:58:35,940
ordinances and regulations
um page 22 of the handout references

1337
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:40,920
page I think it's 17 of the application
and this is The Phase One Visa name and

1338
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:45,960
I'm not going to go into this very much
I have some sample questions

1339
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:51,000
is that it shows that there's a lot of
things that really aren't there's a lot

1340
01:58:48,659 --> 01:58:56,280
of information that isn't in here
um this is all of this whether it's the

1341
01:58:53,880 --> 01:59:00,420
original PUD or adding on and changing
phasing and adding and mentioning a few

1342
01:58:58,139 --> 01:59:04,080
things is really needs to be gone
through with the fine-tooth comb and we

1343
01:59:02,580 --> 01:59:06,719
really need to understand what's being
asked for and what's going to be

1344
01:59:05,159 --> 01:59:10,260
implemented because again as I said at
the beginning this is creating an

1345
01:59:08,340 --> 01:59:15,060
ordinance that that tells the developer
and whoever buys it from here from him

1346
01:59:12,540 --> 01:59:19,260
20 years down the road and whoever's
going to be sitting in this building 20

1347
01:59:16,980 --> 01:59:24,300
years down the road it tells them it's
the guide for what is and isn't allowed

1348
01:59:21,300 --> 01:59:28,440
so it needs to have all this detail the
phasing is part of the implementation

1349
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:32,159
and similarly needs to show what is and
isn't allowed but there's information

1350
01:59:30,119 --> 01:59:36,420
that's not in here about
um various things that are listed in

1351
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:40,800
your handout Winery pesticides I've
already mentioned those but in phase

1352
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:44,699
three there's the spa there's nothing
that's included about that there's

1353
01:59:42,540 --> 01:59:49,619
mention of a wedding Disney but I didn't
find anything about size uses lighting

1354
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:53,340
sound Etc there was mentioned of
expanding a maintenance building which

1355
01:59:51,420 --> 01:59:56,460
appears to be referring to Jimmy Sharon
Reagan's Farm but I'm not sure that's

1356
01:59:55,199 --> 02:00:00,300
new
um so expanding to what size what uses

1357
01:59:58,679 --> 02:00:04,560
will be allowed there how will it be
accessed what about lighting Etc and

1358
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:08,460
then also mention of the existing
residents at least on a map there's

1359
02:00:06,300 --> 02:00:11,400
nothing that indicates what will or
won't happen there and whether that's

1360
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:14,040
even allowed to continue to be a
residence you know playing commercial

1361
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:19,260
District
um so there are some other things there

1362
02:00:16,380 --> 02:00:23,880
page 23
um the stormwater runoff information

1363
02:00:21,900 --> 02:00:30,780
um again I appreciate the presentation
done by the gentleman for third gram but

1364
02:00:27,900 --> 02:00:34,619
um what this application needs to do is
demonstrate conformance with the

1365
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:38,400
requirements and it doesn't it just says
we'll give this particular attention I

1366
02:00:36,780 --> 02:00:42,480
understand that hopefully that will come
but there isn't information in here to

1367
02:00:41,159 --> 02:00:45,780
know for sure that that's going to
happen

1368
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:47,900
um and I and that's a problem
um

1369
02:00:48,420 --> 02:00:54,659
I'm just looking oh also like there was
discussion tonight about the runoff

1370
02:00:52,739 --> 02:00:59,159
control structures or how they're going
to do it on the hill where the new

1371
02:00:56,219 --> 02:01:02,400
access road is going to be
um and that's useful information that's

1372
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:06,659
good to know but that's not in the
application and it should be to point

1373
02:01:04,139 --> 02:01:10,860
out most of the application says such as
or opportunities for rather than saying

1374
02:01:09,599 --> 02:01:14,219
this is how we're going to meet this
requirement this is how we're going to

1375
02:01:12,179 --> 02:01:18,239
do this thing I understand you can't put
in detailed engineering drawings at this

1376
02:01:16,020 --> 02:01:22,619
phase but you do need to find a way to
at least give some pretty concrete

1377
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:27,840
information
um Pages 24 and 25 I'm just going to

1378
02:01:25,619 --> 02:01:31,380
kind of skim through because again they
sort of lack

1379
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:37,800
um what would be helpful if I could show
them on screen but it's an example of

1380
02:01:34,199 --> 02:01:44,159
why we really have to be super careful
about excess storm water runoff in the

1381
02:01:40,380 --> 02:01:47,639
Davis Creek bottom my home is downhill
and downstream from the majority of the

1382
02:01:46,020 --> 02:01:53,760
proposed development and there's no
capacity for existing excess run-on

1383
02:01:51,139 --> 02:01:57,300
the photos in here from this past July
it was it was a pretty good downpour but

1384
02:01:55,739 --> 02:02:01,860
it wasn't as much rain as we actually
had the year before in one of the rain

1385
02:02:00,060 --> 02:02:06,360
events I think it was a couple inches it
just came down fast but the left photo

1386
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:10,080
um shows water coming down from the
storm drains on Third and Rise so

1387
02:02:08,460 --> 02:02:13,980
there's excess runoff that's already
occurring coming through my neighbor's

1388
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:18,000
yard they had to install some drainage
structures to try some retention

1389
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:21,780
structures to try to address that and
then the previous owner of my house also

1390
02:02:20,099 --> 02:02:25,560
at her own expense in skeleton
structures that aren't really working

1391
02:02:23,580 --> 02:02:30,300
there's a huge amount of runoff coming
down off third and drives directly into

1392
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:33,480
our yards the right hand photo shows my
property filling in to within a few

1393
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:37,380
yards of the house and that's not
flooding from being in the floodlight

1394
02:02:34,980 --> 02:02:42,000
that's runoff that came down from third
and Broad Street from paved impervious

1395
02:02:39,659 --> 02:02:45,420
surfaces and then the photo on page 25
it's a little hard to see in the handout

1396
02:02:43,860 --> 02:02:49,560
but it shows that fortunately that
drains off into the creek but it also

1397
02:02:47,159 --> 02:02:53,880
illustrates that the problem is not from
the creek flooding it's from runoff and

1398
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:57,719
then on page 26 there are a couple of
photos one shows the runoff from the

1399
02:02:55,619 --> 02:03:01,020
highway 20 Development Area and I
presume that one of the Best Western and

1400
02:02:59,460 --> 02:03:04,619
the gas station at Happy Joe's in the
Irish Cottage and so on were developed

1401
02:03:02,460 --> 02:03:09,060
they submit storm water management plans
but that photo shows you that they're

1402
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:12,659
not working adequately the county
continually keeps having to add rip wrap

1403
02:03:10,980 --> 02:03:16,020
to that place to account for the runoff
there and that eventually runs into

1404
02:03:14,340 --> 02:03:20,940
Davis Creek which in the right hand
photo shows the 4th Street Bridge which

1405
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:26,940
is new at full capacity from just a
couple inch downpour so basically these

1406
02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:31,679
illustrate the critical need to make
absolutely sure that we don't add to the

1407
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:36,000
runoff in the Davis Creek bottom because
honestly a couple more inches of runoff

1408
02:03:33,599 --> 02:03:40,199
and I'm underwater not from the creek
but from run on and that's not

1409
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:44,040
acceptable that's not something that the
city should be approving

1410
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:47,340
um the the best way to deal with that is
is to not approve the development but

1411
02:03:45,900 --> 02:03:51,900
anyway
um on page 27 and and I guess I

1412
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:55,380
shouldn't make light of that because it
that's an illustration of the

1413
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:58,619
unsuitability of the site if you're
going to add to a problem that you know

1414
02:03:57,060 --> 02:04:02,639
exists if you're going to add the storm
water runoff if you're you know you're

1415
02:04:00,900 --> 02:04:07,020
going to add to traffic issues with no
resolution you shouldn't be approving

1416
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:11,300
something it's just not it doesn't make
sense

1417
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:15,000
um page 27 references
154.503 natural resource protection

1418
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:22,099
standards
um the requirement is to

1419
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:26,820
show with um let's see it's in part
d11 down at the bottom of the page the

1420
02:04:25,020 --> 02:04:31,739
method of natural resource protection
preservation it says graphic

1421
02:04:29,580 --> 02:04:36,239
illustrations I'm not relating to how
the natural features will actually be

1422
02:04:33,659 --> 02:04:38,940
preserved we did see an out tonight at
the sweet slugs that was nice to see

1423
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:42,239
that would be great if that was
available to everyone so that we all

1424
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:45,960
knew exactly what was going to be
happening maybe that was just recently

1425
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:50,219
generated that's one part of what would
be required in a natural resource

1426
02:04:47,940 --> 02:04:53,820
protection plan but there is no natural
resource protection plan nor was there

1427
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:58,560
one with the original Community there
was a table with some information filled

1428
02:04:55,860 --> 02:05:03,900
in that doesn't show rapidly how these
things are going to be protected

1429
02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:08,940
um finally the last couple of pages
while it's on the last couple the 28 29

1430
02:05:06,599 --> 02:05:13,139
um address certain factors that cities
in Galena are required to consider when

1431
02:05:11,580 --> 02:05:17,280
they're considering rezoning and these
have been brought up at other meetings

1432
02:05:14,820 --> 02:05:20,520
considering the first PUD and annexation
and so on

1433
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:25,020
um and I'm not going to walk through
them because I should so one is the

1434
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:29,280
existing uses and Zoning of the nearby
property I've already talked about that

1435
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:32,940
um the extent to which a zoning
restriction diminishes property values

1436
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:37,199
I've been in contact with the local area
realtor who's been a realtor here for I

1437
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:42,060
don't know 50 years or something
um he told me that quote during the

1438
02:05:39,239 --> 02:05:45,780
construction phase could be years values
will be severely depressed for

1439
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:50,639
surrounding property
that takes money out of my and my

1440
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:55,199
neighbor's pockets literally takes money
out of our pockets if I want to sell my

1441
02:05:53,159 --> 02:05:59,699
house in the next 10 years while this is
under construction it will be devalued

1442
02:05:57,719 --> 02:06:03,719
possibly severely and I cannot tell you
how much that scares me

1443
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:07,619
there's no Community benefit from this
thing it may not even increase tax

1444
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:10,920
around the news it may not actually
bring more visitors it might just

1445
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:14,099
replace some but it's going to take
money away from me and my neighbors

1446
02:06:12,420 --> 02:06:18,119
wants being built
number three the extent to which the

1447
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:23,099
proposed amendment promotes the public
health safety and Welfare again traffic

1448
02:06:20,340 --> 02:06:27,480
storm water runoff and other things
clearly detract from that the relative

1449
02:06:25,739 --> 02:06:31,139
gains the public as compared to the
hardship imposed on the individual

1450
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:36,300
property owner there's been speculation
about games there's been talk about tax

1451
02:06:33,239 --> 02:06:40,320
increases no numbers no clear statement
that we know this is going to bring more

1452
02:06:37,980 --> 02:06:43,560
people and more tax revenue
um Property Owners May will experience

1453
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:46,980
the hardships that I've already
discussed

1454
02:06:44,820 --> 02:06:51,800
the suitability of the subject property
for the Zone purpose significant access

1455
02:06:49,619 --> 02:06:57,080
and traffic issues can't be mitigated
significant stormwater runoff issues

1456
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,080
will be difficult to control

1457
02:06:57,500 --> 02:07:02,780
I appreciate the idea that we can
engineer our way out of those but that

1458
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:07,320
doesn't mean we should
and the existing city and county maps

1459
02:07:05,639 --> 02:07:11,540
and the comprehensive plan clearly
identify that property as unsuitable for

1460
02:07:09,900 --> 02:07:16,500
the proposed purpose
I'll skip number six number seven the

1461
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:19,800
communities need for the proposed use
step are we've gone through that there's

1462
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:23,460
not a demonstrated need and then the
care with which the community is

1463
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:27,000
undertaken its land use planning through
the comprehensive plan and as I said

1464
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:30,780
it's inconsistent with at least
significant portions of the

1465
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:34,139
comprehensive plan and particularly the
proposed land use map which is

1466
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:36,920
officially adopted in the city for the
sewing ordinance

1467
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:41,520
um since other folks can't see it I
won't go through the last few pages but

1468
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:46,080
um
they show some views um we've seen

1469
02:07:44,099 --> 02:07:49,560
renderings before and I hope to show
some actual views so that so that you

1470
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:53,280
know we could talk about those a little
bit I know I've been up here a while and

1471
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:57,659
sorry on page 30 I just want to point
out that you can actually see the Marine

1472
02:07:55,260 --> 02:08:01,080
hospital pupila and the silos from the
Vincent farm and that's just an example

1473
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:06,599
of how visible this thing is going to be
from significant chunks of talent it

1474
02:08:04,380 --> 02:08:11,760
will change the look and character of
the Luna and you guys can read the text

1475
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:16,739
of the other ones but basically it shows
some examples of existing lit up places

1476
02:08:14,060 --> 02:08:22,139
and then where more or less the Parker
will be and how and ask you to sort of

1477
02:08:19,619 --> 02:08:28,020
see that it's for example the LeFevre in
is visible not only from downtown from

1478
02:08:25,980 --> 02:08:32,940
the Green Street staffs from the
McDonald's intersection

1479
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:37,500
down the Parker with all the lights and
and literally 100 and some odd more

1480
02:08:35,099 --> 02:08:41,219
buildings is going to be highly visible
I appreciate that there were renderings

1481
02:08:39,540 --> 02:08:44,880
that they hope to
um downplay the lighting and so on but

1482
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:47,940
you just can't have that much light if
you guys have been out to look who

1483
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:51,540
you're in that's already got like
downward directed Amber lighting it's

1484
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:55,020
not a real intrusive place but you can
see it forever so the Parker's going to

1485
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:58,560
be no different it's going to have
hundreds more likes that are out there

1486
02:08:56,699 --> 02:09:03,000
at the theater
um page 32 just throw shows a couple of

1487
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:07,080
our comparison with a rendering shown
from our property versus reality of Jim

1488
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:11,639
and Sharon's house I do want to make a
disclaimer I understand that the light

1489
02:09:09,540 --> 02:09:16,139
layer on the photograph from our house
is misleading I'm not trying to say oh

1490
02:09:14,159 --> 02:09:20,219
my gosh there's going to be you know as
much light as is shown on there I I just

1491
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:25,860
don't know how to do like how to erase
that or make my camera not do that but

1492
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:30,900
um what it shows again is the actuality
of what is really there the reality and

1493
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:36,060
if you multiply that by 100 or more or
whatever it's going to be a lot

1494
02:09:33,900 --> 02:09:40,860
um and then page 33 is just sort of the
the shine on the glass fronted building

1495
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:44,880
and again if you multiply that by dozens
or hundreds it's pretty significant

1496
02:09:42,900 --> 02:09:48,420
I've thrown a lot at you
um in kind of a difficult format I

1497
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:53,219
apologize for it being a little bit
awkward for the time I've taken that I

1498
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:56,400
want to express my sincere gratitude I
really appreciate um seeing y'all out

1499
02:09:55,020 --> 02:10:00,480
there going through this and considering
what I'm saying

1500
02:09:58,020 --> 02:10:03,960
there's a lot of detail that needs to be
in there and you know before the city

1501
02:10:02,099 --> 02:10:07,860
can be assured that it knows with
certainty and in detail what will be

1502
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:12,360
allowed in this zoning district and what
will not and unfortunately this proposed

1503
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:16,560
amendment like the plan that it amends
we use far too many questions unanswered

1504
02:10:14,340 --> 02:10:20,520
and with all those unanswered questions
the right thing to do this evening is to

1505
02:10:18,599 --> 02:10:25,199
vote to not recommend this amendment to
the city council and then in your

1506
02:10:22,199 --> 02:10:29,820
finding a fact to explain clearly why
the right thing to do is to help the

1507
02:10:27,300 --> 02:10:38,099
city council and everyone else just stop
take a breath reassess answer questions

1508
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:42,540
and think about this whole thing much
more thoroughly to make sure that if it

1509
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:45,719
happens it happens with all the
information that's needed to make sure

1510
02:10:44,099 --> 02:10:49,099
that the city stays in the driver's seat
thank you very much

1511
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:58,080
Joe

1512
02:10:58,619 --> 02:11:02,599
sure
um

1513
02:11:03,960 --> 02:11:12,239
you know we talked about uh Chris Wendy
spoke about that this was not in the uh

1514
02:11:09,659 --> 02:11:18,420
plan area proposed land use you know for
the expansion and that was a portion

1515
02:11:15,659 --> 02:11:21,020
the original
in there

1516
02:11:22,699 --> 02:11:31,320
yeah there's that small part but that
part so part of it was okay thank you

1517
02:11:28,380 --> 02:11:34,520
okay anything else
anyone else speak against

1518
02:11:35,420 --> 02:11:45,480
Volvo 1477 South Rocky Hill Road rice
Township here in rice Township

1519
02:11:42,980 --> 02:11:50,639
since the comprehensive plan was brought
up tonight I would like to touch base

1520
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:55,800
on the comprehensive plan and Fourth
Street and Highway 20. Fourth Street

1521
02:11:53,340 --> 02:12:00,780
Highway 20 is a class A critical
intersection and that intersection

1522
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:04,880
played an extensive part of the
comprehensive plan and that building out

1523
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:11,639
in that area
and the council seems to think that that

1524
02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:15,960
plan is old and it could be old however
if a new comprehensive plan were to be

1525
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:21,300
written
that intersection that's flagged by the

1526
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:25,920
state of Illinois would still remain in
the comprehensive plan

1527
02:12:23,219 --> 02:12:34,560
so there's no getting it out of the
Fourth Street and Highway 20 is a class

1528
02:12:30,659 --> 02:12:38,219
A certified critical intersection and
it's going to remain in every

1529
02:12:35,940 --> 02:12:42,599
consequencing plan that's going to be
brought forward

1530
02:12:40,199 --> 02:12:47,880
uh again I'm just going to go over
before I get into my stuff but we talked

1531
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:52,079
about runoff there and everything and I
would like to say that the 2018

1532
02:12:49,940 --> 02:12:57,300
Watershed program
that was brought up and approved all

1533
02:12:54,239 --> 02:13:02,760
over the entire County every Township
every city every everything including

1534
02:13:00,780 --> 02:13:08,520
here was right at this desk that they
did it that property was already spoken

1535
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:15,599
for out there and now that is being
dropped and changed

1536
02:13:10,679 --> 02:13:20,460
in that 2018 Watershed program went to
Iowa

1537
02:13:16,679 --> 02:13:26,699
Minnesota or Wisconsin and to the state
of Illinois and it has hundreds of

1538
02:13:23,219 --> 02:13:31,619
conservation programs in it and the Joe
Davis conservation Society is the

1539
02:13:29,159 --> 02:13:37,199
steward of it along with the winnership
so I just want to say there's a big

1540
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:42,659
difference of opinion that plan had came
before this Council it's came through

1541
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:50,219
the entire County and nobody is looking
at that that has already been spoken for

1542
02:13:46,040 --> 02:13:55,320
and there are four other Watershed uh
plans out there that are farmers our

1543
02:13:53,040 --> 02:14:01,500
people those residents are working
towards and involved in protecting those

1544
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:06,060
lands doing it and this one here is just
dropped

1545
02:14:02,699 --> 02:14:10,619
as a matter of fact it's going to uh
Elizabeth and it's going to have some

1546
02:14:08,699 --> 02:14:15,119
new writing in it and it's going to be
ran by somebody else

1547
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:20,099
so I just wanted to make sure that I
talked about those two issues

1548
02:14:17,340 --> 02:14:23,780
be before I get going
um

1549
02:14:20,699 --> 02:14:31,320
so uh one other thing again the police
the fire the EMS an accounting engineer

1550
02:14:28,020 --> 02:14:34,619
have all been stated that they have been
contacted

1551
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:40,860
and that they don't have any problem
with this

1552
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:46,739
well the police the fire to EMS they're
they are our heroes and they respond to

1553
02:14:43,619 --> 02:14:52,260
all of our problems and they would never
ever recommend

1554
02:14:48,900 --> 02:14:56,400
adding traffic to a class A critical
intersection

1555
02:14:53,760 --> 02:15:03,060
and the council keeps on using it and
people keep on using it and

1556
02:15:00,599 --> 02:15:09,239
it's just bringing distribute to those
to those departments you can't do that

1557
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:14,760
you cannot say that those departments
are going to recommend the use of that

1558
02:15:12,119 --> 02:15:20,400
intersection to this project in that
intersection to this project is a

1559
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:25,380
gateway it's the gateway to this project
and we're saying our professionals are

1560
02:15:23,639 --> 02:15:30,540
going to turn their back on a state of
Illinois and they're going to say

1561
02:15:27,739 --> 02:15:36,360
everything's okay let's rock and roll
that's not that is not fair and I think

1562
02:15:34,199 --> 02:15:42,659
we hold them an apology for completely
doing that to them

1563
02:15:37,980 --> 02:15:44,719
so I wanted to make that also
um

1564
02:15:49,579 --> 02:15:56,639
Fourth Street Highway 20 is rated by the
state of Illinois as a Class A

1565
02:15:54,360 --> 02:16:01,380
interception
and that takes in a whole lot of things

1566
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:06,719
if everybody went ahead and read
Illinois uh intersection chapter 34

1567
02:16:04,619 --> 02:16:10,260
everybody would understand what's going
on there

1568
02:16:07,739 --> 02:16:16,199
for instance the speed reduction coming
down and at the same time they're spree

1569
02:16:13,020 --> 02:16:22,199
their speed advancement going up
no shoulders no sidewalks

1570
02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:27,659
handicapped that a hit on
on the northwest corner of the handicap

1571
02:16:24,719 --> 02:16:30,780
had to be approved and designed go take
a look at it and tell me where you find

1572
02:16:29,099 --> 02:16:36,120
another one it's happened in the street
because there is no room unfortunate

1573
02:16:33,540 --> 02:16:41,700
those cars park on their lawn they park
on the sidewalk over there to make room

1574
02:16:38,519 --> 02:16:45,660
and this is the gateway to where you're
going

1575
02:16:43,620 --> 02:16:50,880
um the side streets are not the highway
code and they have to be if you're using

1576
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:58,139
that as the Gateway those side streets
if section 34 Illinois chapter will say

1577
02:16:55,019 --> 02:17:02,639
those side streets have to be to go and
they're not

1578
02:17:00,179 --> 02:17:11,939
there's not even the one side is just
gravel so I'm I'm asking that uh you pay

1579
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:16,620
attention to that class a rating
uh in case you don't know what the class

1580
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:22,139
a rating covers all that stuff but in
just a Class A rating the loan that's

1581
02:17:19,139 --> 02:17:27,960
accidents with walking wounded the state
of Illinois has added the word critical

1582
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:32,700
to this meaning that there are accidents
with injuries that involve

1583
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:39,719
transportation to medical facilities
this is what we're being passed up by

1584
02:17:35,219 --> 02:17:44,939
and this is is like you have to look at
it we're under oath run or an umbrella

1585
02:17:42,660 --> 02:17:50,340
this this is something the state is out
there nobody now I know I call idot I

1586
02:17:48,179 --> 02:17:55,320
know other people that Paul died
but nobody's bringing this class A

1587
02:17:52,800 --> 02:18:00,620
intersection up I heard all these things
tonight from the applicant and and the

1588
02:17:58,260 --> 02:18:05,519
last time from the applicant
where is the class A rated intersection

1589
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:08,899
that they want to use
they cannot use it

1590
02:18:18,740 --> 02:18:28,260
this project is not new
this project has come up before the city

1591
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:32,519
council and I believe it was May
uh 87

1592
02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:41,460
and
July of 93 and July of 93 Mr baransky

1593
02:18:38,820 --> 02:18:46,500
and Feud put a map together designed
together very similar to this

1594
02:18:43,380 --> 02:18:50,939
and the city council turned it down
Bang

1595
02:18:47,880 --> 02:18:56,340
and it was turned down because of the
word congestion they didn't want the

1596
02:18:53,340 --> 02:19:00,179
same congestion out there as we have in
town

1597
02:18:57,359 --> 02:19:03,780
and that's one of the things and
um

1598
02:19:01,399 --> 02:19:08,580
you can look at the record and read it
the the paper clip and says it says it

1599
02:19:06,300 --> 02:19:16,559
pretty well and uh
and then the last time that that

1600
02:19:10,859 --> 02:19:21,780
intersection came up was in 2013. in
2013 we had a venue come to town that

1601
02:19:19,019 --> 02:19:25,320
wanted to put a venue at the old poor
farm

1602
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:30,120
and um
a thousand

1603
02:19:27,420 --> 02:19:36,660
thousand residents
got together

1604
02:19:32,219 --> 02:19:42,179
there's over 550 homes that that
Corridor brings into town

1605
02:19:39,660 --> 02:19:49,979
and there's a thousand residents
okay and the reasons that we came to the

1606
02:19:47,099 --> 02:19:56,160
county and asked to stop that and the
applicant withdrew to read the main

1607
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:59,540
reasons that we came up came came to for
and I'm talking

1608
02:19:59,939 --> 02:20:09,840
East Elena Township
oh rice Township

1609
02:20:05,340 --> 02:20:13,080
Elizabeth Township Hanover Township and
all the other traffic that comes through

1610
02:20:11,939 --> 02:20:20,100
there
and the traffic count up there is quite

1611
02:20:16,439 --> 02:20:23,460
a bit and we are the ones that use that
intersection and we know that

1612
02:20:22,140 --> 02:20:28,560
intersection
and you have to judge from coming down

1613
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:32,100
slowing and going up up
when you get behind a truck right right

1614
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:37,200
here in town
you you just look at the Smoke Stacks

1615
02:20:34,859 --> 02:20:41,640
pouring out he's got a pedal to the
metal because he's got to go up that

1616
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:48,180
hill and you got to try to negotiate out
in between down and up for wheelers and

1617
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:54,300
Illinois state of Illinois says
no that is at full capacity right this

1618
02:20:52,439 --> 02:21:01,280
moment
right this moment and adding any more is

1619
02:20:57,720 --> 02:21:01,280
going to put it in a dangerous area

1620
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:11,760
um I I want to then uh touch base on on
this issue because again it was said

1621
02:21:08,760 --> 02:21:15,720
that the County engineer
um

1622
02:21:12,899 --> 02:21:18,780
have given okay to this okay to this
project

1623
02:21:16,740 --> 02:21:23,939
in a manner of family
Steve Kiefer stated that and this is in

1624
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:29,399
quotes
Steve keeper stated Blackjack Road is

1625
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:34,920
the only means to get into the city from
this side of town

1626
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:40,140
traffic will be an issue on that road
and it will be compromised

1627
02:21:38,220 --> 02:21:46,200
you may be able to get Emergency
Services there but getting them back is

1628
02:21:43,500 --> 02:21:54,180
going to be an issue
the intersection of blackjack and

1629
02:21:48,420 --> 02:21:59,160
Highway 20 can be dicey on any given day
so that's his words now we have words

1630
02:21:57,420 --> 02:22:07,500
saying that
he isn't he's in favor of it he has

1631
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:12,420
words a recorded statement of
in in uh

1632
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:18,240
in 1913.
in 2013 excuse me when that comes out I

1633
02:22:16,439 --> 02:22:24,899
didn't think Steve was settled okay all
right in 2013. as a matter of fact that

1634
02:22:21,720 --> 02:22:30,840
plan from the county came to you
and three of you signed it

1635
02:22:27,660 --> 02:22:34,560
and the City of Galena zoning board
recommended that a city council to

1636
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:39,840
oppose
because this request and that the city

1637
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:46,520
council approved a file resolution to it
to object the request three people are

1638
02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:53,040
here tonight that voted on there
and uh so I don't see

1639
02:22:49,859 --> 02:22:58,380
what's changed that somebody's going to
vote for it now we already spoke for it

1640
02:22:55,560 --> 02:23:02,210
once we already says that it wasn't we
already know about the class A

1641
02:23:00,899 --> 02:23:05,380
intersection
[Music]

1642
02:23:09,979 --> 02:23:18,780
so I I could just go on and go on but um
I want to bring together what hasn't

1643
02:23:16,439 --> 02:23:23,040
been brought up before and this is the
city of Galena Highway 20 Corridor

1644
02:23:21,300 --> 02:23:30,720
design
and uh this is this is on

1645
02:23:26,700 --> 02:23:37,740
and with the city of Galena annexing
this new property

1646
02:23:33,479 --> 02:23:42,780
they are actually making a new corridor
they're adding a new Corridor into the

1647
02:23:40,380 --> 02:23:48,060
city because now they didn't own that
property now they're going to own their

1648
02:23:45,540 --> 02:23:53,220
property and then the Blackjack rode the
forestry to the dangerous intersection

1649
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:59,760
is the new Corridor that's being created
by this project

1650
02:23:55,800 --> 02:24:07,620
and I don't see how you can come out
at 4th Street and Highway 20 but I say

1651
02:24:03,180 --> 02:24:12,300
rated and people say uh Mr westermeyer
asked me well why don't they fix it well

1652
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:16,500
there are plenty of reasons if you if
anybody would happen to block the

1653
02:24:14,280 --> 02:24:20,880
highway 20 they'd be happy to send a
representative here and I've talked to

1654
02:24:18,780 --> 02:24:25,380
them but that representative has not
been asked I've asked the city council

1655
02:24:23,460 --> 02:24:31,380
to have both representative come here
I've asked the city the city council had

1656
02:24:28,620 --> 02:24:37,560
the police Fire EMS and County engineer
come and give their statements and that

1657
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:42,720
has been not taken care of before I
forget I also asked to use the audio

1658
02:24:40,200 --> 02:24:47,939
visual system when I as I was going to
go that way too and I was told that the

1659
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:53,520
objectors are not allowed to use them
but presenters are

1660
02:24:50,180 --> 02:24:59,040
uh and so
speaking

1661
02:24:55,100 --> 02:25:04,800
uh that should change
how do we stay in Pace with somebody if

1662
02:25:01,140 --> 02:25:07,920
we can't even use the same systems
um

1663
02:25:06,300 --> 02:25:12,300
so
um I'm just going to have to page

1664
02:25:09,479 --> 02:25:17,399
through this because I had it so on page
five of this but by the way this is this

1665
02:25:14,819 --> 02:25:23,640
is adapted into the city code
so this is part of the city code this

1666
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:27,540
this program and actually this is 48
pages of everything that they want to do

1667
02:25:25,859 --> 02:25:32,819
that they can't do
it it's literally if if you read through

1668
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:37,399
a page per page you can find something
so I didn't I just played a couple

1669
02:25:36,060 --> 02:25:43,800
instances
page let me started here

1670
02:25:40,620 --> 02:25:46,740
a promise I'll I'll I'm gonna just move
right through it's just getting too late

1671
02:25:45,660 --> 02:25:53,460
but anyway
page five

1672
02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:56,939
previous contained in this manual shall
prevail

1673
02:25:54,960 --> 02:26:00,080
what's in this
shall prevail

1674
02:26:00,300 --> 02:26:03,620
and as part of the code

1675
02:26:06,300 --> 02:26:15,600
okay page eight
design standard contained here within

1676
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:20,280
are either mandatory or discretionary
the term required and prohibited are

1677
02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:29,880
mandatory
again I'm telling you what's in this is

1678
02:26:24,660 --> 02:26:29,880
mandatory no legal room mandatory

1679
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:39,660
uh on page 10. we're talking about the
view shed

1680
02:26:36,420 --> 02:26:47,399
discourage development in areas of steep
topography and drainage ways that afford

1681
02:26:43,500 --> 02:26:51,020
valuable views right in here
page 12.

1682
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:58,160
throughout the entire quarter it is
important that their application on the

1683
02:26:56,220 --> 02:27:04,920
particular site
respect the unique qualities of the

1684
02:27:01,380 --> 02:27:10,380
particular settings and neighborhoods
can't get around there

1685
02:27:07,640 --> 02:27:17,640
says it right here
and and this is really interesting on

1686
02:27:14,700 --> 02:27:22,080
page 13 if you would down here here's
the hilltop District right there where

1687
02:27:19,560 --> 02:27:27,180
my finger is that's that's the hilltop
District in this manual

1688
02:27:24,899 --> 02:27:34,020
what they're asking for
is right there the annexed area that

1689
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:38,520
they're asking for is in the Southeast
Hilltop District

1690
02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:44,220
exactly
and and it's outlined right outline

1691
02:27:41,340 --> 02:27:48,780
right there and around it is there
so they're asking to go into that

1692
02:27:47,340 --> 02:27:55,620
District
and follow these rules

1693
02:27:51,720 --> 02:27:58,520
agent page 11 you'll be happy to know I
don't have anything on

1694
02:27:59,100 --> 02:28:07,740
age 15.
Visual and Visually uh so they're

1695
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:13,439
talking about the designs I'm going to
mess this up but it says

1696
02:28:09,740 --> 02:28:18,479
throughout brick brick and design in low
color bricks in low color

1697
02:28:16,500 --> 02:28:22,920
there's a place in here where I get to
it says you have to have small windows

1698
02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:26,819
and have big windows in here and I
didn't make it up as a later fan

1699
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:31,859
um
the people here who put this together

1700
02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:34,920
are in this room tonight
okay

1701
02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:39,300
um
and I I'd say it by name but I'm just

1702
02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:44,760
not going this was this was written by
people in this room

1703
02:28:41,340 --> 02:28:52,439
I don't know page 16.
higher density development has to have

1704
02:28:48,500 --> 02:28:55,880
controlled access points
you did not hear nobody's talking about

1705
02:28:54,840 --> 02:28:59,899
it
nobody's talking about that

1706
02:29:01,620 --> 02:29:09,560
17
this is not now this is interesting

1707
02:29:07,620 --> 02:29:14,340
this
requires a traffic analyst it's not

1708
02:29:12,899 --> 02:29:21,660
we're going to do one and we're not
going to do one this worry requires that

1709
02:29:18,060 --> 02:29:27,800
you do a traffic analyst
uh age 17. in 17 you require

1710
02:29:30,780 --> 02:29:38,520
I'm getting there very fast
well I'm just going to say page 20

1711
02:29:35,340 --> 02:29:46,380
everything on page twenty one two three
four five six seven different topics on

1712
02:29:41,880 --> 02:29:53,220
page 20. all all of them comply to this
program every single one of those

1713
02:29:49,460 --> 02:29:57,540
and if you go to page 22
oh wait a minute skip the page page 21

1714
02:29:55,620 --> 02:30:05,040
and 22 again
so page 20 21 and 22

1715
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:09,479
all of that information on those three
pages pertain to this development and

1716
02:30:08,340 --> 02:30:14,420
I'm not going to bore you with it
because we ought to be reading it before

1717
02:30:11,700 --> 02:30:14,420
we do anything

1718
02:30:15,060 --> 02:30:22,560
um
this goes along from 48 pages

1719
02:30:19,560 --> 02:30:26,220
so I'm just going to stop here and say
that

1720
02:30:23,340 --> 02:30:31,439
this is available for you to look at
I highly recommend that you look at it

1721
02:30:28,920 --> 02:30:39,420
the area that we are talking about
developing lands right in this area

1722
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:45,479
and I can't say enough
the state of Illinois every five years

1723
02:30:42,359 --> 02:30:50,100
evaluates that interception now if you
remember a year and a half and two years

1724
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:55,260
ago they put in some new sidewalks and
some new handicaps in there so that

1725
02:30:52,859 --> 02:31:01,200
intersection was just done
just evaluated it's sticking around for

1726
02:30:58,979 --> 02:31:07,160
three more years then they'll evaluate
it again but it's never came out because

1727
02:31:04,020 --> 02:31:13,740
of the way that intersection is
you just cannot add traffic that bad

1728
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:19,160
intersection if you do you're ignoring
your doings

1729
02:31:15,359 --> 02:31:28,020
in in when we speak the duty I mean
we speak the suspience and non-fiance

1730
02:31:23,580 --> 02:31:32,220
and Mel Fiats meaning of neglect of
doing

1731
02:31:29,399 --> 02:31:39,899
we have to look at this the law says
that you have to look at these articles

1732
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:45,240
and these papers and what
uh what was said before that's the law

1733
02:31:42,660 --> 02:31:49,380
and there's three words on that law and
if you look it up it particularly like

1734
02:31:47,580 --> 02:31:55,680
zoning boards
so um I'm Jim boho

1735
02:31:52,819 --> 02:32:00,200
I think we all an apology to the police
fire and EMS

1736
02:31:57,899 --> 02:32:07,160
and uh
I'm a marine so tomorrow's my birthday

1737
02:32:03,560 --> 02:32:07,160
thank you any questions

1738
02:32:11,300 --> 02:32:21,180
yes sir I brought up a lot of good
points one was the class a uh reading

1739
02:32:18,060 --> 02:32:27,240
over Highway 20 and 4th Street
um and you said it's at full capacity

1740
02:32:23,220 --> 02:32:32,399
yes and is that well I've never seen a
study that says it's all you have to do

1741
02:32:30,180 --> 02:32:36,420
is call like like other people have
this but when you Collide that they take

1742
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:40,500
your name your number and your business
so they can get it to the right place so

1743
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:44,939
they know who's called and who hasn't
called down there all right you asked

1744
02:32:42,899 --> 02:32:49,500
him Jim ball and they said what 10 20 30
40 59. but

1745
02:32:47,939 --> 02:32:55,500
I
stood on all those boards with the high

1746
02:32:52,140 --> 02:33:00,840
doc I was the chair of the board that
went around Galena so you know when I'm

1747
02:32:58,020 --> 02:33:06,479
talking I doubt when I talk to idot I I
you know I'm a little loose up here and

1748
02:33:03,420 --> 02:33:11,520
but I mean now Darren when I talked to I
doubt I talk fast they don't want to

1749
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:18,600
hear non-fats that is their
it it is current it is up to date and

1750
02:33:15,660 --> 02:33:25,260
you can't get by it it's going to if you
Annex that intersection you are creating

1751
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:28,620
a new city Corridor to your downtown
area

1752
02:33:26,939 --> 02:33:35,700
period
and that intersection is full

1753
02:33:32,580 --> 02:33:40,319
and you can ask a thousand residents who
come and as a matter of fact they're

1754
02:33:38,340 --> 02:33:46,800
talking about property value what's
going to happen to our property values

1755
02:33:42,660 --> 02:33:52,439
our our 560 Plus Homes out there what's
going to happen to them and there are

1756
02:33:49,319 --> 02:33:57,780
still over 200 what they call buildable
apps out there that are paying taxes

1757
02:33:55,380 --> 02:34:02,340
right now today and have them paying
taxes per year and are planning on using

1758
02:34:00,660 --> 02:34:07,020
that corridor
and we're going to jam it up and they've

1759
02:34:04,859 --> 02:34:12,359
been paying taxes on buildable that's
the county plan and they've been paying

1760
02:34:09,300 --> 02:34:15,180
taxable taxes on taxable Lots out there
for years I happen to own one of them

1761
02:34:14,280 --> 02:34:22,260
also
so I pay taxes as it is a buildable lot

1762
02:34:19,800 --> 02:34:26,960
and that billable life is going to lose
its value because it can't get to town

1763
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:32,840
any other questions
thank you Jim

1764
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:46,939
emotions for a 15-minute break
restroom 15 minutes

1765
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:10,400
[Music]

1766
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:18,800
um

1767
02:35:45,370 --> 02:35:52,169
[Music]

1768
02:36:23,930 --> 02:36:31,040
[Laughter]

1769
02:36:42,500 --> 02:36:45,620
thank you

1770
02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:14,720
[Music]
um

1771
02:37:29,390 --> 02:37:33,370
[Music]

1772
02:37:41,939 --> 02:37:43,939
um

1773
02:37:53,850 --> 02:37:56,889
[Music]

1774
02:38:07,350 --> 02:38:10,429
[Music]

1775
02:38:16,140 --> 02:38:18,439
foreign

1776
02:38:27,060 --> 02:38:30,110
[Music]

1777
02:38:43,620 --> 02:38:46,620
foreign

1778
02:39:36,180 --> 02:39:39,180
totally

1779
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:05,399
foreign

1780
02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:48,360
[Music]

1781
02:41:31,560 --> 02:41:33,560
um

1782
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:46,220
foreign

1783
02:42:55,280 --> 02:42:58,520
I apologize

1784
02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:11,880
Friday

1785
02:43:41,790 --> 02:43:45,029
[Music]

1786
02:43:50,540 --> 02:43:55,819
I like everybody
um

1787
02:44:37,979 --> 02:44:40,280
foreign

1788
02:45:06,060 --> 02:45:10,100
entertain them mostly reconvene

1789
02:45:26,600 --> 02:45:34,680
good night
when this program came out we we uh got

1790
02:45:32,100 --> 02:45:38,819
together in rice Township again and we
sent a letter to the mayor in the

1791
02:45:36,540 --> 02:45:44,880
council we didn't send it to you because
we were all done with you but this is

1792
02:45:41,399 --> 02:45:50,040
the letter uh by our Township supervisor
uh stating the entire rice Township I'm

1793
02:45:48,240 --> 02:45:53,160
writing you on behalf of rice Township
in regards to the Marine Hospital Parker

1794
02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:58,680
project
this project will add substantial

1795
02:45:55,319 --> 02:46:04,319
activity both vehicle and pedestrian to
the intersection of 4th Street and

1796
02:46:00,420 --> 02:46:09,479
Highway 20. this intersection idot has a
critical rating our community uses

1797
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:15,359
Blackjack quarter for the vast majority
of its essential travels we as a

1798
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:20,160
community are disappointed that there
was no interest in contacting rice

1799
02:46:17,460 --> 02:46:24,120
Township prior to the approval of this
project

1800
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:31,880
as we are greatly affected by your
decision in assign Andrew burlap thank

1801
02:46:27,540 --> 02:46:37,580
you thank you young lady
yeah I'm going to say is on this card

1802
02:46:34,580 --> 02:46:44,220
the state's your name and address
and I live at 2170 North Blackjack Road

1803
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:49,260
also known as 311 live Street
we've lived there for more than half a

1804
02:46:46,620 --> 02:46:53,040
century okay even though I wasn't born
here

1805
02:46:50,899 --> 02:46:56,399
coincidentally I picked up one of the
debut papers today and I don't know if

1806
02:46:54,960 --> 02:47:01,620
it was yesterday's paper or today's
paper there was a story in there about a

1807
02:46:59,880 --> 02:47:06,600
development out on the Northwest
Arterial which is what we call the way

1808
02:47:04,380 --> 02:47:14,160
to California
um the guy is building 105 homes on 80

1809
02:47:10,859 --> 02:47:17,460
acres and two apartment buildings comes
remarkably similar to what we're dealing

1810
02:47:16,200 --> 02:47:24,600
with here
the developer was required to complete

1811
02:47:20,939 --> 02:47:28,260
and pay for a traffic study and the
traffic study showed

1812
02:47:26,470 --> 02:47:34,979
[Music]
an increase from 21 vehicles to 80

1813
02:47:31,560 --> 02:47:39,020
vehicles per hour between the hours of 7
A.M and 7 PM every day

1814
02:47:39,060 --> 02:47:48,000
remarkably similar for that amount
as far as I'm concerned this project is

1815
02:47:45,660 --> 02:47:52,380
going to lower our property value and
we'll be lucky when we sell it if we'll

1816
02:47:49,859 --> 02:47:56,460
be able to pay off the mortgage
we don't have water and sewer we would

1817
02:47:54,420 --> 02:48:00,180
love it but it was going to be pretty
expensive when they finally offered it

1818
02:47:58,500 --> 02:48:05,340
to us
this is going to destroy our quality of

1819
02:48:02,220 --> 02:48:11,640
life our peace and quiet our Serene
local country spot

1820
02:48:08,939 --> 02:48:17,340
and it ignores our welfare
and our quality of life

1821
02:48:14,700 --> 02:48:22,500
is another question I have too all these
Cottages like the first time we were

1822
02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:29,160
shown the Cottages
at a neighbor's meeting

1823
02:48:25,080 --> 02:48:33,660
by Mr granski it showed three Styles one
was a nice

1824
02:48:30,660 --> 02:48:38,399
inoffensive white brain Cottage
another one was concrete and it looked

1825
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:43,680
like a bunker and the third one looked
like a miniature McDonald's with arches

1826
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:50,040
over the top of it I don't know if
that's still going to be what there are

1827
02:48:45,899 --> 02:48:56,939
or I don't see what that adds to things
around here it's going to destroy our

1828
02:48:51,960 --> 02:49:01,200
whole corner now thanks any questions
thank you

1829
02:48:59,100 --> 02:49:06,060
what else
my name is Robert Mahan of 903rd street

1830
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:10,740
here in Gilead Illinois and I think you
had asked a question regarding the uh

1831
02:49:07,979 --> 02:49:14,580
advisory referendum and that was for the
county tax

1832
02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:19,920
hotels and motels in the city of Galena
in their otemoto text to the city of

1833
02:49:16,979 --> 02:49:26,280
Galena it's also set by the city so
um it wouldn't apply that additional

1834
02:49:22,260 --> 02:49:30,600
potential Hotel X to the the Parker uh
it was an EMS tax and that's why I saw

1835
02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:34,859
it as a different tax correct it's an
EMS text that'd be added on top of uh

1836
02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:40,280
the hotel Motif X collected through
through there I'm sorry oh sorry yes

1837
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:40,280
sorry about that

1838
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:46,740
hello everyone uh it's time to talk
about the Parker again the good thing is

1839
02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:51,240
that it's uh this time there's some new
information namely occupancy rates these

1840
02:49:49,800 --> 02:49:56,520
had been compiled for three years
starting in 2019 so until the end of

1841
02:49:53,700 --> 02:50:00,240
October neither the developer or nor any
kind of City Hall we went occupancy

1842
02:49:58,319 --> 02:50:04,620
rates were in order to determine if
there was any evidence of a community

1843
02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:07,319
need for more rooms bottom line the
Parker's bed for business and I'll

1844
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:11,580
explain why
I'm the owner and Innkeeper Aldrich

1845
02:50:09,180 --> 02:50:14,760
guest house and I'm proud to be here to
share with you tonight

1846
02:50:12,899 --> 02:50:18,359
I've been in the hospitality and service
industry for nearly 30 years and with my

1847
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:21,479
husband Douglas have been able to
elevate Aldridge guest house to the

1848
02:50:19,979 --> 02:50:25,740
number one rank bed and breakfast in
Illinois on TripAdvisor and never night

1849
02:50:23,160 --> 02:50:29,100
in the entire United States I State this
not to brag although we are proud but to

1850
02:50:27,720 --> 02:50:32,819
highlight the qualification of my
testimony both as a professional and

1851
02:50:31,080 --> 02:50:36,479
expert in the field of hospitality and
tourism as well as a business it stands

1852
02:50:34,920 --> 02:50:40,620
to be affected by your decisions tonight
for the next few minutes I'll present

1853
02:50:38,460 --> 02:50:44,100
some facts specifically relating to the
community we need requirement for zoning

1854
02:50:42,660 --> 02:50:47,700
changes as well as the city's
demonstrated prerogative to protect

1855
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:51,600
existing businesses that I hope you'll
discuss during tonight's meeting

1856
02:50:49,620 --> 02:50:55,859
these facts will all indicate that not
only is there not a community need for

1857
02:50:53,700 --> 02:50:59,580
this proposal but that there is an
abundance of facts that show approval of

1858
02:50:57,780 --> 02:51:04,380
this proposal is likely to result in
negative business consequences for

1859
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:08,220
existing businesses a comprehensive plan
which has been discussed quite

1860
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:12,180
thoroughly is quoted in that application
before you States in part under the

1861
02:51:09,840 --> 02:51:16,200
local economy section quote the city of
Galena will strive to diversify its

1862
02:51:14,280 --> 02:51:21,359
local economy and improve the business
environment for tourism by retaining

1863
02:51:18,300 --> 02:51:25,140
existing businesses end quote and the
zoning ordinances Community needs not

1864
02:51:23,340 --> 02:51:28,500
specifically identified as a factor to
determine whether or not a zoning

1865
02:51:26,399 --> 02:51:33,080
request should be approved I'm sorry is
specifically identified you won't do

1866
02:51:30,540 --> 02:51:37,140
that specifically
154.920c4 says whether the proposal is

1867
02:51:35,460 --> 02:51:41,580
in conformance with and in furtherance
of the implementation of the goals and

1868
02:51:38,819 --> 02:51:46,380
policies of the comprehensive plan and
other adopted plans

1869
02:51:44,819 --> 02:51:50,819
and the policies intents and
requirements of this code and other city

1870
02:51:48,300 --> 02:51:54,359
regulations and guidelines and number
seven whether there is a need in the

1871
02:51:52,800 --> 02:51:57,960
community for the proposal and whether
there will be benefits derived by the

1872
02:51:56,100 --> 02:52:01,979
community or area by the proposed
rezoning So based on the comprehensive

1873
02:52:00,120 --> 02:52:05,580
plan and the zoning ordinance it is the
expressed objective and obligation of

1874
02:52:03,660 --> 02:52:09,060
the city to protect existing businesses
when determining a need in the business

1875
02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:13,800
community
so let's take a look to see if there's a

1876
02:52:10,740 --> 02:52:17,040
fact-based community need based on this
definition

1877
02:52:14,939 --> 02:52:21,960
in regards to the zoning ordinance
criteria

1878
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:25,680
154.920c7 regarding Community needs a
developer states in the submitted

1879
02:52:23,340 --> 02:52:29,640
application quote there is a need in the
community for the proposal the approved

1880
02:52:27,720 --> 02:52:33,479
preliminary PUD and the proposed
amendment will increase the tax base and

1881
02:52:31,740 --> 02:52:37,800
will build upon the growing market for
upscale visitor lodging and the outdoor

1882
02:52:35,880 --> 02:52:41,520
recreational amenities such as the
governor River Trail promoted by the

1883
02:52:39,779 --> 02:52:45,300
community end quote
this is an unsubstantiated statement as

1884
02:52:44,100 --> 02:52:48,240
there's no information in the
application that supports the claim of

1885
02:52:46,740 --> 02:52:52,380
increasing the tax base has been
previously discussed and as you'll see

1886
02:52:50,220 --> 02:52:56,880
there is no growing market for lodging
in Galena rather quite the opposite the

1887
02:52:55,140 --> 02:53:00,720
applicant did not have the occupancy
data in this or previous applications

1888
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:04,800
were submitted since it hadn't been
compiled until the end of October so

1889
02:53:03,300 --> 02:53:09,000
there's also no supporting information
in the application regarding a need for

1890
02:53:06,840 --> 02:53:12,540
more lodging that's partly because that
info didn't exist at the time of the

1891
02:53:10,740 --> 02:53:16,260
applications and partly because it
simply does not comport with the facts

1892
02:53:14,399 --> 02:53:21,000
let's look at how the comprehensive plan
and existing ordinances fit with the

1893
02:53:18,600 --> 02:53:24,240
current situation in Galena please keep
in mind that all the following numbers

1894
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:28,560
are based on data provided by the city
of Galena that was compiled last month

1895
02:53:25,979 --> 02:53:33,120
and this is not intended to say anything
poorly that the city hadn't compiled the

1896
02:53:30,840 --> 02:53:38,580
data for three years and it's not to
diminish the work that visit Galena does

1897
02:53:35,420 --> 02:53:43,500
occupancy data is an indicator of the
success of a destination not the only

1898
02:53:40,979 --> 02:53:48,779
debt definition of success however for
the lodging industry it's a significant

1899
02:53:46,020 --> 02:53:52,140
indicator of what need and success looks
like

1900
02:53:50,220 --> 02:53:56,700
lodging occupancy has been falling at
least since 2017 with the exception of

1901
02:53:54,359 --> 02:54:02,880
2021 when Galena experienced a Cove
income the occupancy for 2022 is on

1902
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:08,160
track to end lower than 2021 resuming
the downward Trend occupancy for the

1903
02:54:05,100 --> 02:54:12,359
city is now at 2017 levels additionally
in at least the last five years possibly

1904
02:54:10,260 --> 02:54:17,399
longer Galena has not had a year above
50 percent occupancy her perspective

1905
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:24,060
good occupancy rates for the industry
are agreed to be 65 and above

1906
02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:28,319
this shows that not only is there a lot
of unfilled rooms but occupancy in

1907
02:54:26,220 --> 02:54:33,240
Galena is not healthy and it's headed in
the wrong direction the Parker is set to

1908
02:54:30,540 --> 02:54:37,200
add an additional 145 rooms which may
not seem like a lot but when you

1909
02:54:35,100 --> 02:54:43,020
consider that Galena currently has just
over 600 rooms that's an additional 25

1910
02:54:39,960 --> 02:54:47,640
more inventory at a time when we're not
even filling our currently available

1911
02:54:44,580 --> 02:54:50,700
rooms at acceptable occupancy rates it's
been said if you build that they will

1912
02:54:49,140 --> 02:54:55,380
come or that we're losing rooms to
Dubuque unfortunately no one has any

1913
02:54:53,520 --> 02:54:59,040
information on if or how many are
staying in Dubuque when glean is full on

1914
02:54:57,479 --> 02:55:02,340
those several busy weekends each year
like country fair and Fourth of July

1915
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:06,420
although there are certainly some
however we do have a recent example of

1916
02:55:04,740 --> 02:55:12,359
if you build it they will come with the
approval of airbnbs in 2017 with airbnbs

1917
02:55:10,740 --> 02:55:16,500
we're just starting to be regulated in
Galena they accounted for two percent of

1918
02:55:14,340 --> 02:55:23,279
the occupancy tax revenue with large
lodging contributing 79 by 2020 airbnbs

1919
02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:27,359
accounted for 15 of the occupancy tax
revenues with large lodging share

1920
02:55:25,380 --> 02:55:31,319
dropping to 65 percent
during this period not only did

1921
02:55:28,859 --> 02:55:36,660
occupancy rates not increase they
continued decreasing the only thing that

1922
02:55:34,200 --> 02:55:42,540
adding airbnbs did was change the places
that visitors were staying Galena built

1923
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:46,260
it but they did not come
using numbers from the city of Galena

1924
02:55:44,399 --> 02:55:50,700
today in order to keep the occupancy
rate where it is right now with the

1925
02:55:47,819 --> 02:55:54,840
additional 145 rooms at the Parker never
mind stopping the consistent downgrade

1926
02:55:52,680 --> 02:55:58,460
trade in occupancy rates the Parker
would have to find a way to draw an

1927
02:55:56,460 --> 02:56:04,319
additional 26
500 room nights every year just to

1928
02:56:01,620 --> 02:56:07,620
maintain current occupancy rates that's
what a High room bed and breakfast could

1929
02:56:05,939 --> 02:56:11,340
accommodate if they're in full every
single night of the year for 14 and a

1930
02:56:10,140 --> 02:56:15,720
half years straight
if they don't replace those room Nights

1931
02:56:13,140 --> 02:56:21,600
by somehow attracting 26 500 more room
nights tickling up every year that means

1932
02:56:19,140 --> 02:56:27,300
a 20 reduction occupancy rates for
existing properties that also means a 20

1933
02:56:24,960 --> 02:56:31,080
reduction in room revenues at a time
when margins are already thin and travel

1934
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:36,779
the resistance to higher rates is
increasing this equates to 3.9 million

1935
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:43,620
dollars in reduced revenues for existing
lodging this averages out to 6 325

1936
02:56:40,740 --> 02:56:48,180
dollars in reduction for every room in
Galena every year for perspective that

1937
02:56:46,620 --> 02:56:51,660
works out to at least three hundred and
fifty thousand dollars in Lost room

1938
02:56:49,560 --> 02:56:55,859
Revenue every year for a 55 room
property similar in size to the DeSoto

1939
02:56:53,939 --> 02:56:59,399
House Hotel
in August the city council did not allow

1940
02:56:57,779 --> 02:57:02,760
a proposed food truck to be on Main
Street for two and a half hours per week

1941
02:57:01,319 --> 02:57:06,180
on a day when sixty percent of
restaurants were closed and when

1942
02:57:04,439 --> 02:57:08,760
visitors and locals alike reported that
they had to wait for up to two hours for

1943
02:57:07,859 --> 02:57:12,540
a table
the food truck was endorsed by visit

1944
02:57:10,380 --> 02:57:16,680
Galena the Chamber of Commerce and the
downtown Business Association there were

1945
02:57:15,060 --> 02:57:19,859
three food establishment owners who felt
a food truck wasn't fair for the nine

1946
02:57:18,060 --> 02:57:23,340
restaurants that were open and the
council agreed that it was unfair and

1947
02:57:22,020 --> 02:57:26,640
that the city had a mandate and
obligation in the form of a

1948
02:57:24,840 --> 02:57:31,319
comprehensive plan and other ordinances
to protect existing businesses

1949
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:35,100
other person westermeyer stated in part
quote I agree with the businesses that

1950
02:57:33,300 --> 02:57:39,840
are open and it could affect them end
quote other person Bernstein stated

1951
02:57:37,439 --> 02:57:44,700
quote I think in terms of fairness this
is not a good idea end quote the food

1952
02:57:42,899 --> 02:57:48,180
truck was a temporary tailored and
widely endorsed solution to a problem

1953
02:57:46,260 --> 02:57:51,359
that was well documented one that was
for two and a half hours a week that

1954
02:57:49,620 --> 02:57:55,319
would no longer needed wouldn't be here
anymore it was tonight on the basis that

1955
02:57:53,580 --> 02:57:59,340
it wasn't fair for existing businesses
today the zoning board and the city

1956
02:57:57,779 --> 02:58:03,779
council will once again be asked to
approve the Parker adding 25 more room

1957
02:58:01,560 --> 02:58:08,460
inventory to a destination that not only
has never been the industry where I

1958
02:58:05,279 --> 02:58:12,600
agreed upon healthy 65 occupancy but has
never been higher than 50 and is

1959
02:58:10,260 --> 02:58:17,760
declining year over year but no longer
needed a food truck rolls away but a 145

1960
02:58:15,060 --> 02:58:22,380
room Resort that is not needed continues
to be detrimental to existing businesses

1961
02:58:20,279 --> 02:58:26,040
the comprehensive plan and ordinances
indicate Community need would

1962
02:58:23,939 --> 02:58:30,420
specifically include diversifying the
economy adding more lodging is not

1963
02:58:28,319 --> 02:58:33,000
diversification and as discussed facts
do not indicate a need for more lodging

1964
02:58:32,100 --> 02:58:37,979
either
it also mentions retaining existing

1965
02:58:34,859 --> 02:58:41,520
businesses adding 25 more lodging units
when there has been no indicated meeting

1966
02:58:39,540 --> 02:58:46,920
but in fact the opposite has been shown
does not help retain existing businesses

1967
02:58:43,859 --> 02:58:51,660
rather it imposes extensive extreme and
undue economic hardships on them

1968
02:58:49,680 --> 02:58:54,899
all this to emphasize two things number
one

1969
02:58:52,620 --> 02:58:59,040
the city's expressed obligation to
protect existing businesses it is

1970
02:58:56,700 --> 02:59:02,939
indicated by both word and action and
documents such as a comprehensive plan

1971
02:59:00,720 --> 02:59:05,880
and zoning ordinances as well as a
recent denial of a food truck on the

1972
02:59:04,500 --> 02:59:09,960
sole basis that the council believes
that it would negatively impact existing

1973
02:59:07,979 --> 02:59:14,340
businesses and number two that when
considering facts not only is there not

1974
02:59:12,300 --> 02:59:17,640
a business Community need for this to be
approved but current businesses are

1975
02:59:15,960 --> 02:59:22,260
likely to suffer significant negative
impacts should the proposal continue to

1976
02:59:19,740 --> 02:59:27,120
be approved this project has a distinct
possibility of reducing current lodging

1977
02:59:24,359 --> 02:59:31,200
properties occupancy by 20 resulting in
a 20 loss of room Revenue plus any other

1978
02:59:29,580 --> 02:59:35,460
ancillary Revenue that would have come
from those overnight guests I do hope to

1979
02:59:33,779 --> 02:59:39,960
hear robust conversation on the facts
that have been presented tonight when

1980
02:59:36,779 --> 02:59:43,380
considering 154.920 C four and seven
during a discussion portion of the

1981
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:47,040
meeting tonight which unfortunately I
will have to watch from Zoom as I'm on

1982
02:59:45,120 --> 02:59:51,899
the time crunch we do not ask for
fairness or equality we simply ask for

1983
02:59:50,040 --> 02:59:56,520
consistency in the in light of this new
information that you did not have before

1984
02:59:53,720 --> 02:59:59,100
that the zoning uh before the end of
October that the zoning board

1985
02:59:57,660 --> 03:00:02,939
reconsidered their support for the
Department proposals as not only is

1986
03:00:01,020 --> 03:00:07,500
there no Community need it is
demonstrably bad for business

1987
03:00:05,220 --> 03:00:13,080
are there any questions
yeah you're 15 I see Rainbow that's

1988
03:00:10,380 --> 03:00:16,979
based on 365 days correct yeah for the
entire year so my question would be

1989
03:00:14,880 --> 03:00:21,359
what's the occupancy rate on Fridays and
Saturdays uh that's not broken down but

1990
03:00:19,740 --> 03:00:27,420
uh if you do take a look at the
occupancy rates that the city compiles

1991
03:00:23,640 --> 03:00:33,479
monthly in 2021 there were six nights or
six months uh where the occupancy was

1992
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:39,800
above 60 for the month uh in 2022
there's two uh so that occupancy does

1993
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:46,279
continue to go down until October
is On Any Given prior Saturday night

1994
03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:51,960
from probably April through
November December most most

1995
03:00:49,439 --> 03:00:56,460
establishments are ever very high
actually rates on price it's really

1996
03:00:53,700 --> 03:01:00,720
article yes uh however if you do factor
in uh even if they were only taking

1997
03:00:58,439 --> 03:01:06,479
rooms on Friday and Saturday it still
creates about a 10 reduction

1998
03:01:03,420 --> 03:01:11,100
uh and is there a chance though that
some of you you mentioned that the

1999
03:01:08,580 --> 03:01:15,000
airbnb's just moved people from hotels
perhaps to airbnbs is there a chance

2000
03:01:13,620 --> 03:01:20,040
that this establishment would move
people from guest homes in the territory

2001
03:01:17,279 --> 03:01:23,939
to Galena residents who are going to the
city of Maine where Randy within cap

2002
03:01:22,439 --> 03:01:27,540
some of the rewards rather than that
being dispersed out of the detergent it

2003
03:01:26,279 --> 03:01:30,899
doesn't seem like it would go the other
way as airbnbs were the ones that took

2004
03:01:29,399 --> 03:01:35,580
away from large lodging it would be
unlikely that large lodging would then

2005
03:01:32,819 --> 03:01:39,720
take back away from airbnbs oftentimes
the visitors that are looking for

2006
03:01:37,560 --> 03:01:43,200
something like an Airbnb are looking for
that specifically because they have more

2007
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:48,660
room they have kitchens they're not
bothered with other people being around

2008
03:01:44,939 --> 03:01:53,580
them so no I don't foresee the Parker
pulling people from rental homes out in

2009
03:01:51,660 --> 03:01:57,500
the building the territory to then stay
at a large lodging facility

2010
03:01:57,600 --> 03:02:00,439
any other questions

2011
03:02:02,279 --> 03:02:06,620
thank you for your time thank you sir
thank you

2012
03:02:10,760 --> 03:02:21,240
darling period uh 1974 North Milwaukee
Road right in the middle of all this

2013
03:02:17,040 --> 03:02:27,779
we've got any well science and behind me
I object to the request to the next the

2014
03:02:24,200 --> 03:02:31,859
18.24 acres to joining my property into
a corporate boundaries of the city of

2015
03:02:29,399 --> 03:02:37,319
Helena for the following reasons it's a
perfect example of urban sprawl the city

2016
03:02:35,460 --> 03:02:40,560
according to the present comprehensive
plan should go to the west and not to

2017
03:02:39,540 --> 03:02:45,660
the east
yes and I understand the comprehensive

2018
03:02:42,840 --> 03:02:50,460
plan is being revised the access road
off Blackjack Road and the developer

2019
03:02:48,359 --> 03:02:53,819
wants to use is a very steep narrow
railroad with a cattle guard under it at

2020
03:02:52,620 --> 03:02:57,479
the bottom
okay so they're going to you know just

2021
03:02:55,800 --> 03:03:01,740
heard tonight they're going to widen it
and pave it

2022
03:02:59,460 --> 03:03:07,560
but anyway there's still a cattle guard
and it's still going to be zoned egg

2023
03:03:04,979 --> 03:03:12,779
camel wander up and down the road big
farm equipment including semis full of

2024
03:03:09,779 --> 03:03:18,899
grain and truck selling 2 000 pound hay
bales travel both on the driveway and on

2025
03:03:15,899 --> 03:03:23,840
the main road all the time not to
mention lots of motorcycles and regular

2026
03:03:21,420 --> 03:03:29,880
traffic ill enough Bubble
gum traffic in the fall a semi blocks

2027
03:03:26,939 --> 03:03:34,080
the road while wagon loads of corn come
down the driveway and roll the corn into

2028
03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:39,899
a semi usually at night and I've seen
the solid and it's right beside me

2029
03:03:37,500 --> 03:03:45,000
Davis Creek runs under a cement Bridge
through Culvert and as the because the

2030
03:03:42,779 --> 03:03:49,560
Creeks on both sides of the road
so there's no room for a turning lane

2031
03:03:46,979 --> 03:03:53,819
and during a hard rain both Blackjack
Road and the bottom of the access road

2032
03:03:51,240 --> 03:03:58,319
flood and this didn't happen in July
about 15 years ago and I don't know the

2033
03:03:55,920 --> 03:04:04,020
name of Hank Gordon who managed the farm
at the top of the hill was killed in a

2034
03:04:00,720 --> 03:04:08,580
tractor accident on this road and I was
home at the time

2035
03:04:06,060 --> 03:04:13,260
uh he um
drove up and down this road several

2036
03:04:10,560 --> 03:04:17,160
times a day so he was familiar with the
scroll

2037
03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:22,979
now the developer wants a 600 person
Convention Center for restaurants cabins

2038
03:04:20,340 --> 03:04:29,460
a winery and several other things for
the potential of 600 bus cars coming up

2039
03:04:26,399 --> 03:04:34,740
and down the people potentially drinking
and I'm familiar with the pro

2040
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:39,479
you kind of think about that and the
train I don't care about you submit it

2041
03:04:37,080 --> 03:04:43,740
or not there's going to be traffic going
up and down both and yes I know a

2042
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:45,979
shuttle was imagined but they are going
to use

2043
03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:55,880
what benefit is this to the city except
possibly more tax money

2044
03:04:52,319 --> 03:04:59,460
or occupancy for lodging is less than 50
this man over here just mentioned the

2045
03:04:58,200 --> 03:05:03,359
past five years
and what about the additional traffic at

2046
03:05:01,620 --> 03:05:07,140
the intersection of 3rd and 4th Street
and Highway

2047
03:05:04,680 --> 03:05:12,180
sometimes now traffic is backed up past
Happy Joe's

2048
03:05:09,240 --> 03:05:16,680
the recent comprehensive plan
the president comprehensive plan states

2049
03:05:14,279 --> 03:05:20,120
that we value the land of our strong
agricultural heritage

2050
03:05:20,340 --> 03:05:28,260
and to preserve the natural resources
for future generations and preserve the

2051
03:05:26,100 --> 03:05:32,100
County's rural character and scenic
areas

2052
03:05:29,399 --> 03:05:35,580
so how does building a mini busy Disney
World

2053
03:05:33,120 --> 03:05:39,390
and a cornfield on top of a steep hill
that floods at the bottom in this

2054
03:05:37,439 --> 03:05:42,549
concept
[Applause]

2055
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:48,080
all right thank you ma'am

2056
03:05:49,910 --> 03:05:56,520
[Music]
my name is Edward shine

2057
03:05:53,939 --> 03:06:00,540
I'm at 1952 North Blackjack Road
immediately adjacent to the proposed

2058
03:05:58,979 --> 03:06:03,859
development
Ed property

2059
03:06:05,340 --> 03:06:13,260
first of all I appreciate your time I'll
keep this as quick as possible

2060
03:06:09,540 --> 03:06:17,399
uh Mr Baranski mentioned uh the Davis
Bridge I don't know how many times

2061
03:06:15,180 --> 03:06:22,620
you've gone up and down Blackjack Road
and gone over that bridge but if you're

2062
03:06:19,560 --> 03:06:26,880
going at speed listed speed and
someone's coming at you it's a white

2063
03:06:24,060 --> 03:06:30,779
knuckler because it's extremely narrow
the other thing is I remember when the

2064
03:06:28,920 --> 03:06:34,260
bensons were milking out there and
they'd have the trucks come up in the

2065
03:06:32,279 --> 03:06:37,560
climate weather the milk trucks couldn't
make it up that hill the picture looked

2066
03:06:36,240 --> 03:06:42,359
like it wasn't that steep but if you
walk out there and walk up that hill

2067
03:06:39,240 --> 03:06:45,359
it's actually quite steep I'm not too
worried about trucks getting up the hill

2068
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:48,660
I'm more worried about cars coming down
now and Mr bransky mentioned that

2069
03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:52,380
they're going to make improvements to
the road which would make sense

2070
03:06:50,760 --> 03:06:55,560
but if they do make improvements for
road is that going to be asphalt and if

2071
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:58,680
they are if it is going to be asphalt
and they are coming down that Hill I'm

2072
03:06:57,180 --> 03:07:02,460
worried about cars coming into that
intersection not only for me and my

2073
03:07:01,080 --> 03:07:05,340
family and the other residents that live
in a neighborhood provides communities

2074
03:07:03,720 --> 03:07:09,060
coming through there but also that
there's a huge ditch on the other side

2075
03:07:06,899 --> 03:07:13,080
of that Creek and it's not a little one
it's huge so here you have you're up at

2076
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:17,640
the top of the hill it's icy it's
snowing and you're coming down the hill

2077
03:07:14,460 --> 03:07:22,680
it's very dangerous is is Miss Perry is
Mrs Perry just mentioned

2078
03:07:19,560 --> 03:07:28,380
so these are things now we erosion is
also mentioned uh erosion control is a

2079
03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:33,180
constant effort in this area
and over the last two years we've

2080
03:07:31,319 --> 03:07:36,899
improved we've spent over twelve
thousand dollars on our farm trying to

2081
03:07:34,859 --> 03:07:42,540
prevent erosion which directly event
affects the Vincent property

2082
03:07:39,660 --> 03:07:47,580
we've we've been combating it uh there's
not much we can do other than build dry

2083
03:07:44,580 --> 03:07:51,240
dams bulldoze it's a constant effort
whenever we cut down more trees which we

2084
03:07:49,680 --> 03:07:55,380
try not to
we have more erosion so what we do is we

2085
03:07:53,819 --> 03:07:58,859
try to plant trees so I'm worried that
if there is any more development up on

2086
03:07:56,880 --> 03:08:02,040
that Hill if any trees are cut there
will be more erosion and more water

2087
03:08:00,420 --> 03:08:05,880
coming down that Hill
and

2088
03:08:03,720 --> 03:08:11,160
so I oppose the development by True
North Quality Homes LLC development

2089
03:08:09,000 --> 03:08:16,140
contains no Quality Homes as the
company's name suggests right the planes

2090
03:08:13,500 --> 03:08:23,460
itemize 145 guess accounting
accommodations squeeze side by side into

2091
03:08:19,380 --> 03:08:27,720
85 Acres 96 minus the 11th of the great
clients the proposed development is

2092
03:08:25,620 --> 03:08:33,899
nothing more than a tourist trailer camp
on stilts even a curse cursory glance at

2093
03:08:31,260 --> 03:08:38,880
the many exhibits reflect tightly spaced
boxes where the best views are not the

2094
03:08:36,540 --> 03:08:43,140
Rolling Hills of Joe Davis County but
rather the windows on neighboring guest

2095
03:08:41,100 --> 03:08:48,240
Cottages can any reasonable person
believe their wealthier upscale Urban

2096
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:53,279
dwellers will travel to the Parker for a
weekend stay to be surrounded by row

2097
03:08:50,580 --> 03:08:57,600
upon row of tourist cottages
well they're

2098
03:08:55,380 --> 03:09:02,520
well there's PR well there is precious
little information presented

2099
03:09:00,300 --> 03:09:07,920
to predict the profile of the tourist
visitors one can gain some insights into

2100
03:09:05,700 --> 03:09:13,020
what can be expected by referring to
page seven exhibit G of the Developers

2101
03:09:10,979 --> 03:09:17,520
exhibit appendix
I directed the attention to what appears

2102
03:09:15,540 --> 03:09:22,439
to be several parking lots adjacency
identify on a dynamic buildings it takes

2103
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:27,300
Superior eyesight to count the many
parking spaces that I can't estimate but

2104
03:09:25,020 --> 03:09:31,859
I might say around 200 these
concentrated parking spaces

2105
03:09:29,460 --> 03:09:36,060
suggests to me that overnight guests
might be encouraged to bring cargo

2106
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:41,040
trailers which could contain adult toys
such as wad Runners ATVs side by sides

2107
03:09:38,819 --> 03:09:44,939
dirt bikes and rolling Vehicles if I'm
not correct the developer has not made

2108
03:09:42,779 --> 03:09:49,020
any provisions for containing or
otherwise limiting the use of these

2109
03:09:46,740 --> 03:09:53,460
vehicles it is my opinion that the
proposed development does dramatically

2110
03:09:51,540 --> 03:09:57,960
and emphatically violate any and all
comprehensive plans which have long been

2111
03:09:55,979 --> 03:10:02,700
referenced and respect and respected
throughout the county in hearings and

2112
03:10:00,779 --> 03:10:06,380
hearings such as this
further the proposed development

2113
03:10:04,560 --> 03:10:11,520
corrupts
infringes and creates a nuisance to the

2114
03:10:10,140 --> 03:10:16,439
immediate and surrounding neighborhoods
along the Blackjack Road believe me if

2115
03:10:14,340 --> 03:10:22,020
this proposed development was just about
walking trails and Vineyards most of us

2116
03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:26,760
would not be losing sleep or caring
the loss of the numeral cherished values

2117
03:10:24,420 --> 03:10:30,660
another separate and distinct reason for
denying the application is the develop

2118
03:10:28,620 --> 03:10:33,240
the developer itself when was it known
as about the developer I don't even

2119
03:10:31,920 --> 03:10:38,279
think he's here today
but the circumstances surrounding the

2120
03:10:36,359 --> 03:10:42,540
application demand careful examination
of the developer largely because it

2121
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:48,180
encompasses several phases covered in
unspecified period over several years as

2122
03:10:46,020 --> 03:10:53,100
it goes to say the devil's in the
details it is largely left to the

2123
03:10:50,700 --> 03:10:56,700
developer to find prioritize create and
supervise the implementation of these

2124
03:10:54,960 --> 03:11:01,500
details what we do know about the
developer is that he will serve to

2125
03:10:58,740 --> 03:11:05,340
predict whether the changes it causes
will improve or at a minimum be

2126
03:11:03,540 --> 03:11:08,819
compatible within and around the
community it is selected for its

2127
03:11:07,560 --> 03:11:13,380
development
we know the true north Quality Homes is

2128
03:11:10,859 --> 03:11:20,220
Rich providing ample evidence of it when
it paid enrigating errors approximately

2129
03:11:15,779 --> 03:11:25,319
55 000 per acre for the 78.79 Acres it
emphasized its Financial Powers when

2130
03:11:26,340 --> 03:11:33,180
when cracks appeared relating to public
access to the proposed development and

2131
03:11:31,319 --> 03:11:37,740
pay the Vincent errors the same amount
of 55 000 per acre fruit of

2132
03:11:35,100 --> 03:11:40,920
approximately 18 Acres further east
along Blackjack Road these purchase

2133
03:11:39,479 --> 03:11:45,660
prices are
in just about everyone's opinion

2134
03:11:43,200 --> 03:11:50,580
dramatically above market value for
unimproved Farmland papers in Jordans

2135
03:11:47,880 --> 03:11:55,740
County meanwhile and importantly these
purchase purchases produce the effect of

2136
03:11:53,220 --> 03:12:00,359
isolating at least a half dozen personal
residents by encompassing them within

2137
03:11:57,960 --> 03:12:04,680
the proposed development to my knowledge
not any of these homeowners could

2138
03:12:02,580 --> 03:12:09,359
received or been offered any money for
their property by the developer

2139
03:12:06,660 --> 03:12:12,960
this dramatic and fundamentally unfair
treatment of one's neighbors bodes ill

2140
03:12:11,700 --> 03:12:18,420
for the future
it is my opinion that the proposed

2141
03:12:15,359 --> 03:12:23,100
development will constantly clash with
the entire Blackjack corridor

2142
03:12:20,819 --> 03:12:28,020
at minimum neighbors should always be
considerate their neighbors developer

2143
03:12:25,859 --> 03:12:33,899
appears not to agree with the standard
and its application should be denied

2144
03:12:30,200 --> 03:12:37,560
lastly I would like to point what I
consider to be a little known but

2145
03:12:35,700 --> 03:12:42,779
tremendously pertinent fact
that there are approximately 140 pending

2146
03:12:40,080 --> 03:12:48,060
applications for Airbnb licenses in in
the Galena area

2147
03:12:44,760 --> 03:12:52,319
moreover minor understanding that these
applications are on hold

2148
03:12:49,859 --> 03:12:59,040
if my understanding is correct it would
appear that a hole in the nature of a de

2149
03:12:55,620 --> 03:13:02,580
facto or not or formal moratorium is in
effect

2150
03:13:00,120 --> 03:13:07,319
and it seems to me that because
questions concerning low income or

2151
03:13:04,560 --> 03:13:13,319
affordable housing or Workforce housing
or tourist accommodations

2152
03:13:09,660 --> 03:13:18,359
and complex would require planning and
legislative actions in a moratorium is

2153
03:13:15,779 --> 03:13:23,880
unwarranted and if I am correct the
moratorium is in effect

2154
03:13:20,340 --> 03:13:29,399
or call why wouldn't True North Quality
Homes LLC application be covered by it

2155
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:35,399
certainly on its face it appears
admirable and worthwhile plus it is my

2156
03:13:32,340 --> 03:13:40,439
suggestion that in the event
the board or Council refuses to reject

2157
03:13:38,220 --> 03:13:46,020
the application
that a moratorium be placed on it until

2158
03:13:43,080 --> 03:13:50,120
such time as the Airbnb licenses are
taken off hold and resolved at the

2159
03:13:48,479 --> 03:13:53,779
Galena and Joe Davis County level
respectfully in China

2160
03:13:58,460 --> 03:14:01,819
speak against

2161
03:14:04,939 --> 03:14:13,580
Alan Johnson 211 Forestry
um I just have uh a couple of things to

2162
03:14:12,359 --> 03:14:20,460
point out
uh we got the the staff memorandum here

2163
03:14:18,899 --> 03:14:24,840
and again
um

2164
03:14:21,660 --> 03:14:30,960
now I've got a lot a lot of history with
the sewing board uh I brought along uh

2165
03:14:28,920 --> 03:14:39,380
there we go the uh
map Amendment from uh IPC uh PowerPoint

2166
03:14:35,640 --> 03:14:39,380
after Orlando Valenti

2167
03:14:39,960 --> 03:14:47,240
um and when you're determined not to uh
change the uh

2168
03:14:47,640 --> 03:14:55,319
the land use there
uh he was turned on there and the

2169
03:14:53,100 --> 03:14:59,760
determination number one number one
reason the proposal does not comply with

2170
03:14:57,960 --> 03:15:04,979
the objectives of the comprehensive plan
the land use plan contained in the

2171
03:15:02,460 --> 03:15:10,680
comprehensive plan designates the use of
the property as Parts Rex and green

2172
03:15:07,500 --> 03:15:15,540
space rezoning the property to Orient
Auto oriented business will be contrary

2173
03:15:13,080 --> 03:15:20,160
to the city's efforts to implement
comprehensive plan number one reason

2174
03:15:18,180 --> 03:15:28,200
that we're checking that so
comprehensive plan does have a

2175
03:15:24,620 --> 03:15:35,100
place in the determination of whether
you should be uh

2176
03:15:31,279 --> 03:15:42,859
approving this consideration
well when I did a PUD for a Grace Church

2177
03:15:40,319 --> 03:15:47,640
the the
administrative uh

2178
03:15:45,720 --> 03:15:52,979
staff summary
States explicitly site plan review

2179
03:15:50,600 --> 03:15:58,020
indicates compliance with the adopted
plans policies such as the comprehensive

2180
03:15:55,319 --> 03:16:03,359
plan does not conflict with the official
map trail of Park plans the city

2181
03:16:00,779 --> 03:16:07,439
you know what we got what we got on this
memorandum

2182
03:16:04,920 --> 03:16:12,779
we got a paragraph
it kind of refers to the conference plan

2183
03:16:09,960 --> 03:16:16,920
for both site and newly acquired acreage
are directly chasing

2184
03:16:14,700 --> 03:16:23,700
to one of the city of glands contiguous
growth areas it's not in the contiguous

2185
03:16:19,740 --> 03:16:31,140
growth area the proposed anger States uh
the project is next to and will access a

2186
03:16:27,960 --> 03:16:35,580
major Collective collector's degree and
sense of creation of the comprehensive

2187
03:16:33,060 --> 03:16:41,840
plan new public facilities Humanities
have been constructed in New York

2188
03:16:39,600 --> 03:16:47,640
all right so so
he's on the administrator saying that

2189
03:16:45,240 --> 03:16:51,180
there are that we're not following the
comprehensive plan he's going around the

2190
03:16:49,560 --> 03:16:55,140
bush here
he's not going to State it though he

2191
03:16:53,100 --> 03:17:00,540
needs to stay the tear you got to be an
honest Zone administrator and say it

2192
03:16:58,200 --> 03:17:06,020
does not comply with Comprehensive plans
straight out don't be calling the

2193
03:17:03,720 --> 03:17:14,540
administrator dishonest okay
all right if you want to piss me off

2194
03:17:10,100 --> 03:17:14,540
this comes to the point of

2195
03:17:15,060 --> 03:17:25,800
are there adequate
public facilities and services

2196
03:17:21,899 --> 03:17:31,560
all right city services include building
department zoning department historic

2197
03:17:28,740 --> 03:17:39,240
preservation Commission
we've got one man here

2198
03:17:34,260 --> 03:17:43,100
one man here doing four jobs at the city
we've got

2199
03:17:41,160 --> 03:17:50,100
the museum
the new Historical Museum coming

2200
03:17:47,100 --> 03:17:55,800
up on both Hilliard Street we've got an
addition on to the hospital

2201
03:17:53,880 --> 03:18:00,479
coming
we've got

2202
03:17:57,660 --> 03:18:06,960
uh city engineer
and a building inspector zoning

2203
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:10,680
administrator got to cover all of this
all right

2204
03:18:08,700 --> 03:18:15,180
so I
I'm not saying anything against Jonathan

2205
03:18:13,200 --> 03:18:21,840
I know he's a hard worker I know he's an
honest man but he's got four jobs

2206
03:18:17,819 --> 03:18:31,260
and this is an extremely ex extremely
complicated and very dangerous proposal

2207
03:18:27,120 --> 03:18:35,220
to to redevelop this part of town and
like a number of people have said you

2208
03:18:33,240 --> 03:18:39,359
don't have the information
you cannot determine if it's a public

2209
03:18:37,439 --> 03:18:46,920
benefit because you don't have that
information you cannot determine if it's

2210
03:18:43,319 --> 03:18:51,300
if it's going to create runoff we don't
have that we didn't have a traffic study

2211
03:18:49,140 --> 03:18:56,060
these are things that something like
this you have to get the developer up

2212
03:18:53,760 --> 03:19:01,380
front we got a guy here spending
millions millions of dollars to develop

2213
03:18:59,580 --> 03:19:06,300
a site over here
that you can't get to

2214
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:10,439
you know you should have at least as a
city we need to explain to these people

2215
03:19:08,100 --> 03:19:17,040
you know
money can't solve location location

2216
03:19:13,920 --> 03:19:19,460
anybody knows development three things
location location

2217
03:19:19,560 --> 03:19:27,920
change the zoning at Park Avenue and the
highway for a new business there how's

2218
03:19:24,779 --> 03:19:37,080
that doing I don't see it with private
can anybody make the greenhouse work

2219
03:19:32,040 --> 03:19:41,160
no you can't get there from here so when
the

2220
03:19:38,300 --> 03:19:46,920
applicant comes before you
and says that he can't even make a

2221
03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:53,220
left-hand turn onto the highway with his
with his uh

2222
03:19:50,300 --> 03:19:56,880
shuttle bus he's gonna have to make a
right turn

2223
03:19:54,240 --> 03:20:01,920
this is what they said he's gonna have
to make a right turn go up to both

2224
03:19:59,340 --> 03:20:05,700
Hilliard where the left turn lane is
three cars

2225
03:20:03,720 --> 03:20:13,200
it's gonna have to go down both earlier
and that's going to have to take a left

2226
03:20:08,220 --> 03:20:17,040
onto Park Avenue and get my way
now

2227
03:20:14,279 --> 03:20:21,720
how is he going to work that on on a big
weekend how's he going to work that on

2228
03:20:19,620 --> 03:20:25,319
Country prayer weekend he's going to
take the right turn it's going to go up

2229
03:20:23,700 --> 03:20:29,279
to go failure it's going to take a left
on the thing it's going to get on Park

2230
03:20:27,060 --> 03:20:36,200
Avenue it's going to go Park Avenue up
to Jackson he's going to Jackson the

2231
03:20:31,439 --> 03:20:44,100
bogus he's going to end up by Louise
and then he's going to come downtown

2232
03:20:39,840 --> 03:20:47,520
now we got 100 no 400 some odd parking
spaces

2233
03:20:45,660 --> 03:20:54,840
which is
50 cars a quarter mile

2234
03:20:50,760 --> 03:20:59,160
right that's two miles cars
coming up

2235
03:20:56,160 --> 03:21:03,840
coming on to
what we know is a very dangerous

2236
03:21:01,859 --> 03:21:10,080
intersection
and I'll just say I want to hear a

2237
03:21:07,560 --> 03:21:13,080
little bit better discussion
then

2238
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:25,200
then people saying
[Music]

2239
03:21:22,560 --> 03:21:34,160
I won't get into it
you know last time last time I was here

2240
03:21:30,300 --> 03:21:34,160
and we went through this

2241
03:21:34,319 --> 03:21:42,600
everybody came up here
and gave their evidence

2242
03:21:39,120 --> 03:21:48,060
you made a motion it was no discussion
there was no discussion on any item uh

2243
03:21:46,020 --> 03:21:53,760
City attorney directed you to go
directly to the uh Florence and

2244
03:21:50,760 --> 03:21:58,740
compliance goals
and pretty much the chairman answered

2245
03:21:57,359 --> 03:22:03,240
every one of those
the one that somebody else answered the

2246
03:22:01,560 --> 03:22:08,460
chairman
uh disagreed with them

2247
03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:11,880
but we didn't go through and answer all
these

2248
03:22:09,779 --> 03:22:17,040
questions
looking at the facts

2249
03:22:15,180 --> 03:22:19,939
you know
uh

2250
03:22:21,960 --> 03:22:29,340
but
you know he says I've been here for 61

2251
03:22:27,420 --> 03:22:33,779
years and
the chairman says

2252
03:22:31,319 --> 03:22:37,880
tourism is the biggest industry we've
ever had

2253
03:22:35,100 --> 03:22:42,000
somebody mentioned
Franklin's biggest goal was to bring

2254
03:22:40,020 --> 03:22:47,340
tours into Galena
and that's what built this town because

2255
03:22:44,939 --> 03:22:51,479
it wasn't built on anything else and
it's important that we continue to do

2256
03:22:49,080 --> 03:22:57,420
that because that's the industry we
chose we didn't choose tourism

2257
03:22:54,899 --> 03:23:02,540
as they are only interest rate that's
why we have a comprehensive plan because

2258
03:23:00,120 --> 03:23:08,340
we're trying to diversify our
infrastructure diversify our economy to

2259
03:23:05,220 --> 03:23:13,439
work Supply the jobs we can't have we've
already got

2260
03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:20,100
wedding chapel we are got Turner Hall I
got one on on the west side up or on the

2261
03:23:16,080 --> 03:23:24,680
east side over here now how's that doing
I don't see a need for

2262
03:23:25,100 --> 03:23:34,620
destroying this property over here
you want to build a hotel with 140 rooms

2263
03:23:32,239 --> 03:23:39,720
we've got it set up
go buy the Bartell Farm go buy something

2264
03:23:37,620 --> 03:23:45,000
where you can already connect to the in
the water you can already connect to the

2265
03:23:42,180 --> 03:23:52,680
Sewer why do we have a developer who's
coming to town Pam way more for property

2266
03:23:49,260 --> 03:23:58,260
than he should be develop a property
that's going to be almost impossible I

2267
03:23:55,620 --> 03:24:03,180
mean you're talking about a sewer system
130

2268
03:24:00,300 --> 03:24:09,660
sewer connections 150 sewer connection
it's got spider web down that Hill

2269
03:24:05,960 --> 03:24:13,140
through Limestone trenches under the
river

2270
03:24:11,100 --> 03:24:17,399
and you're going to say none of that's
going to break We're Not Gonna endanger

2271
03:24:15,720 --> 03:24:24,739
our water
by by opening up sewer lines in the cars

2272
03:24:21,479 --> 03:24:24,739
on the Limestone Hill

2273
03:24:24,960 --> 03:24:33,720
they just closed on Main Street
yesterday for water main break

2274
03:24:30,660 --> 03:24:38,580
I've Been Working On Main Street the
city couldn't keep track of where the

2275
03:24:36,300 --> 03:24:42,000
sewer spring or where the sprinkler
connections were

2276
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:46,380
you know
we can't keep track of what we got here

2277
03:24:44,279 --> 03:24:51,180
we got somebody building something even
more competent over there on a site but

2278
03:24:49,260 --> 03:24:56,580
it's going to be nearly impossible to
build in why is he over there we want

2279
03:24:54,180 --> 03:25:00,359
somebody to come to Galena and be
successful

2280
03:24:57,899 --> 03:25:05,160
we wanted to tell we want them to tell
tell them where to go and build where

2281
03:25:02,880 --> 03:25:10,080
you can be successful
there's a reason we told people not to

2282
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:13,500
build over there and it's it's the
highway

2283
03:25:10,920 --> 03:25:19,979
you can't improve that intersection we
know that you can't improve that piece

2284
03:25:17,399 --> 03:25:26,460
of property and develop on it properly
he's got 140 cabins on stilts

2285
03:25:24,120 --> 03:25:32,640
that's not an innovative
that's because they're cheap and they

2286
03:25:30,239 --> 03:25:37,200
know that if God put that concrete got
put in foundations you're going to just

2287
03:25:35,279 --> 03:25:41,640
do it way more property and you're
really going to cause problems but I

2288
03:25:39,479 --> 03:25:46,080
want you to think about that sewer
house on stills that's not an Innovative

2289
03:25:44,100 --> 03:25:49,680
I don't have anybody come to me asking
me about the house and stills why is

2290
03:25:48,540 --> 03:25:54,000
that
what do you do with your water

2291
03:25:51,540 --> 03:26:00,120
what do you do with your water we're not
we got all your plumbing underneath that

2292
03:25:56,340 --> 03:26:06,660
towels and then going to a unprotected
sewer connection

2293
03:26:02,340 --> 03:26:10,680
that has to pass through a zone of free
stuff

2294
03:26:07,680 --> 03:26:14,100
so we got 130
possible sewer connections that are

2295
03:26:13,020 --> 03:26:19,920
going to break
in this development already

2296
03:26:17,460 --> 03:26:24,120
send and where you should be building
make this guy successful what we're

2297
03:26:22,319 --> 03:26:28,140
sending him over here we need the rooms
you want the rooms

2298
03:26:25,560 --> 03:26:34,460
send to us where you're supposed to go
because according to our comprehensive

2299
03:26:32,040 --> 03:26:34,460
plan

2300
03:26:38,640 --> 03:26:43,680
amendments may be appropriate years
following adoption of the client

2301
03:26:42,300 --> 03:26:48,920
particularly when the plan becomes
concentrated the merchant issues

2302
03:26:46,739 --> 03:26:52,920
policies and trends
amendments are typically minor changes

2303
03:26:51,300 --> 03:26:59,160
plans
fiber text large-scale changes or

2304
03:26:56,580 --> 03:27:04,680
frequent amendments
make the plan lose Integrity to follow

2305
03:27:02,520 --> 03:27:10,439
the state comprehensive planning loan
the city cities should use the same

2306
03:27:07,560 --> 03:27:13,760
process to amend the plan that is used
when it was initially

2307
03:27:12,300 --> 03:27:20,180
adopted
regardless of how minor the change or

2308
03:27:17,760 --> 03:27:20,180
Amendment

2309
03:27:20,220 --> 03:27:27,560
you don't have the rights nobody has the
right to just sit up here and say

2310
03:27:27,899 --> 03:27:35,880
you get to you get to change the
comprehensive plan without going through

2311
03:27:33,359 --> 03:27:39,300
the process
yeah Jonathan

2312
03:27:39,600 --> 03:27:45,960
tells you
that you can change the zoning and

2313
03:27:43,920 --> 03:27:50,100
change the
parts of the period the related to

2314
03:27:48,359 --> 03:27:56,760
zoning
but he doesn't tell you here again that

2315
03:27:53,460 --> 03:28:00,840
you can't change the comprehensive plan
you have to go through the process you

2316
03:27:58,979 --> 03:28:05,460
want to change you want this to happen
you got to go through the comprehensive

2317
03:28:02,819 --> 03:28:09,540
Zone in plaque comprehensive plans
process

2318
03:28:07,260 --> 03:28:14,880
you can't just sit up here and say it's
20 years old it doesn't apply because

2319
03:28:12,120 --> 03:28:19,859
I'd like to know when that stopped
because I've been bringing people before

2320
03:28:16,200 --> 03:28:24,979
this zoning board for 20 years
and it's always applied to me

2321
03:28:22,020 --> 03:28:24,979
thank you very much

2322
03:28:37,979 --> 03:28:46,220
so David Hanna 1107 core Street
um got some handouts there I also had to

2323
03:28:43,920 --> 03:28:50,939
coding some stuff on the screen
so hopefully you can follow along so

2324
03:28:49,200 --> 03:28:56,040
what you've got there on that handout is
just a list thank you

2325
03:28:53,420 --> 03:28:59,880
what you've got there on the handout is
just a list of some of the ordinances

2326
03:28:57,720 --> 03:29:05,520
I'll refer to
um a number of parts of that application

2327
03:29:03,060 --> 03:29:09,960
itself so we're pretty even follow along
with what's there

2328
03:29:07,739 --> 03:29:14,340
um maybe to start maybe
um you can just clarify a couple of

2329
03:29:11,399 --> 03:29:18,720
things that I'm possibly confused about
um you know the public notice for the

2330
03:29:16,739 --> 03:29:24,000
meeting indicates this is for a request
for an amendment to a planned you the

2331
03:29:20,340 --> 03:29:27,359
development plan to add new team anchors
um but the zoning administrator's demo

2332
03:29:25,920 --> 03:29:31,439
says that the 18
th would remain zoned as default limited

2333
03:29:30,180 --> 03:29:35,399
agriculture
the notice regarding the annexation

2334
03:29:33,359 --> 03:29:40,380
agreement says the 18 Acres will be
zoned and unit development an underlying

2335
03:29:38,160 --> 03:29:46,620
districts
so the 18 Acres remain as limited

2336
03:29:43,080 --> 03:29:51,720
agriculture or we rezone
will be part of the Pud that particular

2337
03:29:49,140 --> 03:29:56,580
person will be limited underlying
District of limited but it would be

2338
03:29:53,220 --> 03:30:01,979
rezoned to planned unit development that
okay so are the existing Beauty Parcels

2339
03:30:00,120 --> 03:30:08,479
will they be rezoned as part of this
process no

2340
03:30:03,899 --> 03:30:08,479
okay so so it's just the 18 Acres

2341
03:30:09,000 --> 03:30:17,100
so uh 154 301 B1 and 2 outlines the
different types of planned unit

2342
03:30:15,420 --> 03:30:20,520
development so there's either a district
or a site

2343
03:30:18,600 --> 03:30:24,960
and the existing rezoning ordinance
doesn't specify whether the site was

2344
03:30:22,620 --> 03:30:30,300
resilient to the district or site
you know which one

2345
03:30:26,819 --> 03:30:34,260
that was it's not a discussion you can
State your peace if they have questions

2346
03:30:31,920 --> 03:30:38,399
and I'll ask Okay so
under planned unit development District

2347
03:30:36,239 --> 03:30:42,720
a comprehensive set of development
standards are approved that apply to a

2348
03:30:40,439 --> 03:30:47,160
lot or subdivision as opposed to a
specific site plan the Pud District also

2349
03:30:45,600 --> 03:30:50,939
includes standards for perimeter
landscaping and buffering vehicular and

2350
03:30:49,560 --> 03:30:55,380
pedestrian circulation and other
standards as necessary so that's 154 301

2351
03:30:54,000 --> 03:31:00,120
E1
for a planned unit development site

2352
03:30:57,359 --> 03:31:03,960
under 154 301 E2
a detailed site plan showing building

2353
03:31:02,220 --> 03:31:08,220
Footprints parking areas and other
details is approved with which all

2354
03:31:05,880 --> 03:31:12,600
future development must comply generally
the approved site plan controls all

2355
03:31:09,960 --> 03:31:16,439
development on the lot definitely
so the resigning ordinance didn't

2356
03:31:14,580 --> 03:31:19,739
specify which of these things that it
was

2357
03:31:17,220 --> 03:31:23,819
but if it's a district there has to be a
comprehensive set of development

2358
03:31:21,359 --> 03:31:30,000
standards it's a site there has to be a
detailed site

2359
03:31:25,979 --> 03:31:35,100
for 154 301b indicates that deviations
from any of the default standards shall

2360
03:31:32,700 --> 03:31:40,319
be explicitly stated in the zoning and
zoning ordinance

2361
03:31:36,439 --> 03:31:44,760
154 301c says at the time of zoning a
parcel to PUD the city the students will

2362
03:31:42,540 --> 03:31:47,640
check I'll show many about
which must be consistent with

2363
03:31:46,140 --> 03:31:53,640
Comprehensive plan
so I can find No statement of Standards

2364
03:31:49,920 --> 03:31:58,020
or deviations or uses or site plan and
rezoning ordinance

2365
03:31:55,500 --> 03:32:02,340
so like one question I have then is what
standards does the amendment seek to

2366
03:31:59,880 --> 03:32:07,859
amend the fruit preliminary plan and a
proposed amendment of a lot of overlap

2367
03:32:04,800 --> 03:32:13,200
but also conflicting information
pitches one to two of the amendment

2368
03:32:10,080 --> 03:32:16,920
request that's eight changes but it also
appears there are additional changes in

2369
03:32:14,819 --> 03:32:20,580
the rest of the document zoning
administrators member doesn't clearly

2370
03:32:18,600 --> 03:32:23,880
list all the changes or how the city
will incorporate them into an ordinance

2371
03:32:22,319 --> 03:32:28,439
to ensure that they're clearly
understood in the future

2372
03:32:26,040 --> 03:32:32,580
so for instance the amendment mentions
the change in for area ratio for the

2373
03:32:30,720 --> 03:32:36,660
project in several places and
characterizes this as a community

2374
03:32:34,260 --> 03:32:40,560
benefit for the long term
according to the amendment request the

2375
03:32:38,760 --> 03:32:43,920
same number of buildings and the same
amount of building area will be

2376
03:32:42,000 --> 03:32:48,779
developed on the same Parcels of land
there's more than 120 buildings greater

2377
03:32:46,620 --> 03:32:52,979
than what currently exists on the site
the amount of the proposed Building

2378
03:32:50,580 --> 03:32:58,080
Development isn't changing how has it
changed in the four area ratio on paper

2379
03:32:55,439 --> 03:33:04,100
an actual Community benefit
let's look at the polar area ratio

2380
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:08,819
anyway that's the 154 301d indicates
non-residential land unit development

2381
03:33:06,239 --> 03:33:13,319
intensity shall be established as a
maximum floor area ratio and maximum

2382
03:33:11,100 --> 03:33:18,600
building size at the time of main unit
development would be selling approval

2383
03:33:15,660 --> 03:33:23,700
and determining the maximum bar in MBS
the zoning board of appeals and the city

2384
03:33:21,300 --> 03:33:28,500
council shall consider then there's a
list of criteria includes the intensity

2385
03:33:26,279 --> 03:33:32,819
of adjacent development the demand for
development in the vicinity of the

2386
03:33:30,420 --> 03:33:36,899
proposed Beauty the availability of
Transportation facilities including

2387
03:33:34,620 --> 03:33:40,500
streets the adequacy of utilities and
public services

2388
03:33:38,399 --> 03:33:44,819
so what are UVS standards were
established in the original reasonable

2389
03:33:42,779 --> 03:33:49,140
approval and how were those stated in
the resulting ordinance but far in MBS

2390
03:33:47,580 --> 03:33:53,700
as the zoning board considering and
determining tonight

2391
03:33:50,760 --> 03:33:59,040
is the new bar being established the 3.6
we heard earlier tonight what about the

2392
03:33:56,340 --> 03:34:03,840
MBS how are all the relevant factors
identified in 154 301 considered making

2393
03:34:02,279 --> 03:34:07,920
this determination
the city's not Quantified or presented

2394
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:11,760
information regarding the intensity of
adjacent development and has not

2395
03:34:09,779 --> 03:34:16,620
presented information about the demand
for development in the vicinity

2396
03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:19,040
as far as I know there's no current
demand

2397
03:34:19,319 --> 03:34:25,319
or about trapping the street issues
there's been a lot of Citizen testimony

2398
03:34:23,040 --> 03:34:29,520
and agreement by City officials that the
development will worsen traffic in the

2399
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:34,080
street issues but the cities provided no
rationale for health routine issues were

2400
03:34:32,160 --> 03:34:38,340
considered in its determination before
in India's

2401
03:34:36,120 --> 03:34:43,439
how about the process for amending the
preliminary community plan zoning

2402
03:34:40,979 --> 03:34:49,340
administrators memo States employmentary
PUD may be amended through the rezoning

2403
03:34:45,720 --> 03:34:57,060
process I'm sure that's entirely correct
154 923 F1 outlines three situations

2404
03:34:53,640 --> 03:35:01,979
where usable standards
may be amended by going through the

2405
03:34:59,040 --> 03:35:08,880
rezoning process to amend the result
in addition 154 of 923 F3 outlines how

2406
03:35:07,020 --> 03:35:13,319
luminary book development plan is
amended this must also be followed

2407
03:35:11,819 --> 03:35:17,880
the amendment in front of you doesn't
fit the definitions of a minor or major

2408
03:35:15,479 --> 03:35:22,560
Amendment Given In subsections A and B
so subsection C applies for States all

2409
03:35:21,180 --> 03:35:26,279
other amount of supplementary
development plans shall be reviewed by

2410
03:35:24,300 --> 03:35:30,420
the zoning board of appeals and decided
by the city council using the same

2411
03:35:28,439 --> 03:35:34,380
process and criteria used for
preliminary Financial approval review

2412
03:35:32,520 --> 03:35:40,080
and approval
the previous testimony has shown that

2413
03:35:36,420 --> 03:35:44,580
the criteria required by 154 923 for
approval of the preliminary PUD plan

2414
03:35:42,420 --> 03:35:48,540
we're not considered by The Zone board
or the city council and their

2415
03:35:46,140 --> 03:35:52,500
deliberations and these criteria and the
overall process are also not mentioned

2416
03:35:50,460 --> 03:35:56,160
in the zoning administrative memo of
course member

2417
03:35:54,359 --> 03:36:00,720
the amendment talks about having a
default zoning of the added 18 Acres as

2418
03:35:58,319 --> 03:36:05,160
limited agriculture but also shows that
one of the purposes of the 18 acres is

2419
03:36:02,880 --> 03:36:09,720
to develop a road system to serve as a
commercial Resort is it that a

2420
03:36:07,140 --> 03:36:13,439
commercial reuse not an agricultural use
on the 18 Acres

2421
03:36:11,580 --> 03:36:17,580
nowhere in the limited addict
description and zoning ordinance does it

2422
03:36:15,479 --> 03:36:21,960
say that the AG district is intended for
the development of road infrastructure

2423
03:36:19,319 --> 03:36:25,620
or a new commercial development this
kind of commercial development is not

2424
03:36:23,520 --> 03:36:29,939
consistent with the highly rural
community character of The Limited

2425
03:36:27,840 --> 03:36:35,160
agricultural zoning District
if the 18 Acres of the underlying

2426
03:36:32,819 --> 03:36:40,380
the 18 acres has an underlying zoning
District of agricultural but it's being

2427
03:36:37,680 --> 03:36:43,739
rezoned to plan unit development what
are the changes in the default

2428
03:36:41,819 --> 03:36:48,720
agricultural standards that are being
created in the rezoning ordinance that

2429
03:36:46,319 --> 03:36:54,359
make it happen to be a human being don't
see mention of any new standards for the

2430
03:36:51,000 --> 03:37:00,899
18 Acres only a desire to have signage
by right rather than by special use on

2431
03:36:57,540 --> 03:37:04,979
that what's the rationale for why puv is
necessary if it was parcel when there

2432
03:37:03,000 --> 03:37:09,899
are no use standards for Community
benefits established for the parcel just

2433
03:37:07,380 --> 03:37:13,260
more rights
another thing that's unclear in the

2434
03:37:11,700 --> 03:37:17,460
original plan and the amendment are the
buildings near Davis Creek and the

2435
03:37:15,479 --> 03:37:22,260
original preliminary plan these are
described as existing structures with no

2436
03:37:20,160 --> 03:37:24,899
mention of residential use which is not
permitted in a planned at Marshall

2437
03:37:23,580 --> 03:37:29,220
District
now in the maps in the amendment one of

2438
03:37:27,479 --> 03:37:33,359
the buildings is described as an
existing residence

2439
03:37:30,660 --> 03:37:37,140
original PUD approval never mentioned in
residential use

2440
03:37:34,859 --> 03:37:41,580
is this a non-conforming use
what about the existing Maintenance

2441
03:37:39,000 --> 03:37:46,859
building that's shown in Phase 1B that
turns into an expanded Maintenance

2442
03:37:43,800 --> 03:37:50,399
building in phase three of the community
other than the word maintenance there's

2443
03:37:48,600 --> 03:37:54,180
no explanation of the use of this
building

2444
03:37:51,899 --> 03:37:58,800
that's the expansion is shown as part of
the phase three plan is clearly a part

2445
03:37:56,520 --> 03:38:02,939
of a commercial PUD project and not an
unchanged but existing use so is this

2446
03:38:01,319 --> 03:38:07,439
the only Maintenance building to service
the resort grounds care equipment and

2447
03:38:05,700 --> 03:38:11,819
pesticide storage for The Vineyards
service of cabins and restaurants and

2448
03:38:09,420 --> 03:38:16,319
other facets of the resort making for
very busy Hub of activity immediately

2449
03:38:14,160 --> 03:38:21,239
adjacent to a residential area
improve PD Maps also show the

2450
03:38:18,720 --> 03:38:25,200
maintenance a protopedia maps to show
Maintenance building near the winery but

2451
03:38:23,520 --> 03:38:30,600
the only Maintenance building shown in
Amendment Maps is this expanded

2452
03:38:27,479 --> 03:38:35,399
Maintenance building near Davis Creek
utility map does not show any sewer

2453
03:38:33,359 --> 03:38:38,640
infrastructure to this building even
though the amendment claim for the

2454
03:38:36,840 --> 03:38:42,479
project will be served by City Water and
Sewer I was the zoning board considered

2455
03:38:41,100 --> 03:38:45,600
the impact of these structures and
pieces within the context of the entire

2456
03:38:44,340 --> 03:38:49,680
community
these structures and uses are more

2457
03:38:47,520 --> 03:38:53,640
impacts to joining landowners that have
not been considered or addressed no

2458
03:38:51,720 --> 03:38:57,779
information has been provided about how
they fit into the project

2459
03:38:55,620 --> 03:39:02,340
why was the original PUD approved
without addressing knowledgeable uses

2460
03:39:00,120 --> 03:39:06,380
but then we need are there other
non-conforming uses that are not

2461
03:39:04,200 --> 03:39:11,399
addressed
how are we to know so you've heard many

2462
03:39:09,960 --> 03:39:15,779
times that the proposal is not in
conformance with the comprehensive plan

2463
03:39:13,020 --> 03:39:20,580
we have a lot of talk about that one of
the key parts of the comprehensive land

2464
03:39:18,120 --> 03:39:25,500
use map which clearly shows where
different types of uses are meant to be

2465
03:39:22,859 --> 03:39:29,220
located not just any use is appropriate
in any place

2466
03:39:27,239 --> 03:39:33,300
land use map is a product of much
deliberation by the Planning Commission

2467
03:39:30,840 --> 03:39:37,920
in the community and does not identify
the series of development landowners

2468
03:39:35,760 --> 03:39:41,700
rely on the comprehensive plan and the
landing staff to know the future of

2469
03:39:39,779 --> 03:39:45,840
their properties
fire the proposed Resort properties

2470
03:39:43,859 --> 03:39:49,500
should also been able to look at the map
and know that a large commercial Resort

2471
03:39:47,580 --> 03:39:52,859
development is not appropriate for this
area and the city could have done the

2472
03:39:51,420 --> 03:39:57,720
same
if you compare the land use map uh in

2473
03:39:55,800 --> 03:40:01,920
the comprehensive plan to the map on
page eight of the amendment you'll see

2474
03:39:59,819 --> 03:40:04,520
that the amendment map is clearly not
consistent

2475
03:40:04,939 --> 03:40:10,880
completely Alters the character of this
area of the city

2476
03:40:11,479 --> 03:40:20,640
154 406 B7 states that all intensive
agricultural land uses are prohibited

2477
03:40:18,540 --> 03:40:25,020
this issue is not addressed by the city
in the previous approval the venue

2478
03:40:22,739 --> 03:40:28,800
requires ongoing frequent pesticide use
which raises ground and surface water

2479
03:40:26,819 --> 03:40:32,220
concerns especially given now they clean
a watershed plant speaks to the

2480
03:40:30,840 --> 03:40:35,700
vulnerability of law for further
contamination

2481
03:40:33,420 --> 03:40:39,180
allowing this intensive agricultural use
within the city will subject neighbors

2482
03:40:37,620 --> 03:40:43,859
and other state residents to these
impacts the amendment would expand The

2483
03:40:41,340 --> 03:40:48,660
Vineyards and increase these impacts how
is the city Justified of allowing this

2484
03:40:46,020 --> 03:40:52,920
intensive agricultural elements
the winery is not clearly described in

2485
03:40:50,939 --> 03:40:56,160
this women are normally Amendment
although in previous testimony the

2486
03:40:54,540 --> 03:40:59,660
applicant did mention that the winery
structure was used for processing or

2487
03:40:58,020 --> 03:41:06,060
grapes in July
164 406 G this alcoholic beverage

2488
03:41:03,960 --> 03:41:11,000
producers are very heavy industrial
Landings

2489
03:41:07,140 --> 03:41:11,000
was this heavy industrial lands

2490
03:41:11,220 --> 03:41:19,140
as the city assessed whether the city
wastewater treatment plant is suitable

2491
03:41:15,300 --> 03:41:22,920
for this kind of industrial mischoice
item number two on page nine of the

2492
03:41:21,180 --> 03:41:26,460
amendment talks about whether the
existing tax support zoning where this

2493
03:41:24,660 --> 03:41:30,359
nation was an error at the time of
adoption

2494
03:41:27,720 --> 03:41:34,319
I believe the UV zoning designation was
created in errors including that the

2495
03:41:32,520 --> 03:41:37,800
resulting ordinance does not contain the
elements required levels in the coast

2496
03:41:35,880 --> 03:41:41,819
and the approval criteria are required
by

2497
03:41:38,660 --> 03:41:46,680
154-923 are considered by The Zone board
or the state Council

2498
03:41:43,920 --> 03:41:50,340
item number three on page ten whether
there has been a change in a character

2499
03:41:48,239 --> 03:41:53,819
of the area the amendment mentions that
Gateway Park and of course you know have

2500
03:41:52,319 --> 03:41:56,819
been developed in the area and claims
the project is consistent with the

2501
03:41:55,439 --> 03:42:00,420
character of the area
I hope that Gateway Park and horse men

2502
03:41:58,800 --> 03:42:05,100
are protected from commercial
development which is the opposite of

2503
03:42:03,000 --> 03:42:09,300
what is proposed bull Harper which is to
turn open land into commercial

2504
03:42:06,540 --> 03:42:13,439
development Parker is not in character
with those books and in terms of our

2505
03:42:11,640 --> 03:42:17,580
residential neighborhood its character
has been seen for decades and again a

2506
03:42:15,779 --> 03:42:21,180
large commercial development is not in
character with the area

2507
03:42:19,080 --> 03:42:24,600
Community character is defined in the
zoning ordinance as the impression in

2508
03:42:22,859 --> 03:42:28,800
which an area makes in regard to the
type intensity density quality

2509
03:42:26,520 --> 03:42:32,220
appearance and age of development
the application asserts that the sewage

2510
03:42:30,779 --> 03:42:36,720
treatment plant has changed the
character of the area the sewage plan is

2511
03:42:34,739 --> 03:42:41,460
investing to change the impression our
neighborhood makes in regard to tight

2512
03:42:38,580 --> 03:42:46,560
intensity intensity quality appearance
and age and development

2513
03:42:43,800 --> 03:42:49,800
item number four on page 10 many of us
have provided testimony that the

2514
03:42:48,180 --> 03:42:53,760
proposed development is not compatible
with the surrounding area commitment

2515
03:42:52,020 --> 03:42:57,899
seems to agree with this saying that
quote Avid acreage was consistent with

2516
03:42:55,920 --> 03:43:03,060
the role in agricultural nature of the
area and quote based on the limited

2517
03:43:00,479 --> 03:43:07,680
agricultural designation this means that
the rest of the project which contains

2518
03:43:05,279 --> 03:43:11,760
extensive commercial building roadway
and other development is then not

2519
03:43:09,660 --> 03:43:15,779
consistent with the role of agricultural
movement experience

2520
03:43:13,620 --> 03:43:18,779
item number four also says the proposed
amendment is compatible with the

2521
03:43:17,040 --> 03:43:23,220
surrounding area because the changes
increasing space reduce total paved area

2522
03:43:21,300 --> 03:43:26,760
and reduce the project for our area
ratio

2523
03:43:24,779 --> 03:43:30,479
but it's a little disingenuous to say
that in the real world we're going to

2524
03:43:28,560 --> 03:43:34,560
develop the same amount of stuff on the
same Parcels we have a different car

2525
03:43:32,399 --> 03:43:39,180
number on paper so therefore it's
compatible with the surrounding area but

2526
03:43:37,020 --> 03:43:44,040
has the city identified by the open
space paved area and far is from the SAT

2527
03:43:42,359 --> 03:43:48,840
surrounding area in order to actually
make that form comparison adding some

2528
03:43:46,920 --> 03:43:53,760
land to the far end to the Pud doesn't
affect how the developed area impacts

2529
03:43:51,479 --> 03:43:58,200
immediately
item number four on page 10 reflects to

2530
03:43:56,340 --> 03:44:02,120
mention the remainder of the criteria
from The Zone voice which I won't read

2531
03:44:03,840 --> 03:44:09,840
but the development would contribute to
dangerous traffic patterns and

2532
03:44:07,859 --> 03:44:13,439
congestion significant impacts the
streets and public health safety and

2533
03:44:11,399 --> 03:44:17,819
Welfare the amendment shows an increase
in the number of parking spaces for the

2534
03:44:15,479 --> 03:44:21,000
Pud so even more traffic on streets
would be expected

2535
03:44:19,200 --> 03:44:24,840
the development would generate numerous
environmental impacts to teach folks

2536
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:28,680
Woodlands Wildlife poison light
pollution warm water runoff and so on

2537
03:44:27,359 --> 03:44:32,779
you've heard about this in other
testimonies these impacts

2538
03:44:32,819 --> 03:44:39,600
utility map on page 11 clearly indicates
that a project won't make the

2539
03:44:37,680 --> 03:44:44,700
infrastructure better in this area of
town the only service the commuting

2540
03:44:42,120 --> 03:44:47,279
property now water or sewer will be made
available to any other part of the

2541
03:44:46,260 --> 03:44:51,420
community
that clearly shows that the city sewer

2542
03:44:49,620 --> 03:44:55,620
service will also not be available to
the existing residents for the expanded

2543
03:44:53,580 --> 03:45:00,200
Maintenance building the state Services
won't even be available for all the

2544
03:44:57,899 --> 03:45:00,200
buildings

2545
03:45:00,479 --> 03:45:08,160
also the depths and utility is very neat
in some areas sewer lines of over 30 BP

2546
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:12,300
this will make it very expensive for the
city to address future problems and

2547
03:45:09,840 --> 03:45:15,060
maintenance as the city analyze these
issues to understand these potential

2548
03:45:14,040 --> 03:45:19,200
costs
it's about your average infrastructure

2549
03:45:17,100 --> 03:45:22,439
and even if the developer pays for the
initial installation that doesn't mean

2550
03:45:21,000 --> 03:45:25,100
there isn't a significant financial
liability

2551
03:45:25,200 --> 03:45:31,739
that he hasn't presented any cost
benefit analysis for this this is just

2552
03:45:29,880 --> 03:45:35,340
one issue related to the city's future
infrastructure elevations and there's

2553
03:45:33,720 --> 03:45:40,580
been no analysis presented of other
long-term City costs related Emergency

2554
03:45:37,979 --> 03:45:40,580
Services

2555
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:47,220
item number seven on page 11 says
there's a need in the community for the

2556
03:45:44,460 --> 03:45:51,960
proposal provides no rationales for this
others have talked about this relative

2557
03:45:50,120 --> 03:45:55,399
tax base
those information around how that will

2558
03:45:54,239 --> 03:46:00,000
actually work
for the increased tax base versus the

2559
03:45:58,080 --> 03:46:04,620
loss in tax revenues from existing
businesses that will be impacted for the

2560
03:46:02,100 --> 03:46:08,939
cost of infrastructure
item number seven on page 11 also says

2561
03:46:07,260 --> 03:46:14,700
there will be a reduction in retained
areas by 28 000 square feet

2562
03:46:11,460 --> 03:46:19,859
on page six item 1C says the paid
roadway and parking surface area

2563
03:46:16,439 --> 03:46:23,220
decreases by 32 000 square feet
are these different things which is the

2564
03:46:22,140 --> 03:46:26,220
right number
how do we know if the rest of the

2565
03:46:24,720 --> 03:46:30,359
information in the application is
accurate has the city done an

2566
03:46:28,080 --> 03:46:34,620
independent review to ensure the
submitted information is accurate

2567
03:46:32,760 --> 03:46:38,359
should you be recommending something
that contains its consistency

2568
03:46:38,880 --> 03:46:45,720
I'm ready on page 12 was reported
Community benefits many of these seem to

2569
03:46:44,040 --> 03:46:49,800
be saying that the amendment is not as
bad as the original PD so therefore

2570
03:46:48,060 --> 03:46:53,760
that's a community benefit
but if you've approved PUD did not

2571
03:46:51,899 --> 03:46:56,939
demonstrate Community benefit and
Amendment still doesn't

2572
03:46:55,200 --> 03:47:01,140
so the information shows that more than
12 acres of women will be cleared for

2573
03:46:58,859 --> 03:47:05,819
the project how was that protection and
preservation of Natural Resources how

2574
03:47:03,479 --> 03:47:10,520
was that a community benefit
adding a mild Trails for a resort yes

2575
03:47:10,560 --> 03:47:16,859
the application repeatedly talks about
an increase in open space it takes a

2576
03:47:15,120 --> 03:47:21,300
property that currently has a handful of
buildings it has more than a hundred

2577
03:47:18,840 --> 03:47:25,979
buildings plus Rose parking for over 400
vehicles and other development

2578
03:47:23,340 --> 03:47:30,420
the real world that's a decrease in open
space not an increase even if you

2579
03:47:29,220 --> 03:47:35,100
believe some of these things are
benefits how are they insured or

2580
03:47:32,399 --> 03:47:40,979
required by The Zone Awards this does
not mention any of them at all

2581
03:47:37,380 --> 03:47:44,700
number nine on page 13 less purported
amends however it's not a community

2582
03:47:43,080 --> 03:47:48,260
benefit to create a resort that
increases traffic in part time

2583
03:47:48,979 --> 03:47:56,399
the reality is that the shadow will not
address those traveling problems

2584
03:47:54,120 --> 03:48:01,080
I don't see how any more restaurants can
be considered a community mannered based

2585
03:47:58,800 --> 03:48:05,220
on the criteria
and again even if you pretended that

2586
03:48:03,180 --> 03:48:10,040
these things were amenities how are they
insured or required of the reasonable

2587
03:48:07,500 --> 03:48:10,040
ordinance

2588
03:48:10,560 --> 03:48:16,140
number 10 on page 14 says that
circulation and access will be adequate

2589
03:48:14,520 --> 03:48:20,640
on the private resort property but
ignores all the traffic impacts to the

2590
03:48:18,120 --> 03:48:24,300
surrounding streets Neighbors
even the city council has agreed that

2591
03:48:22,920 --> 03:48:28,560
the traffic will be a significant
problem as far as I know nothing has

2592
03:48:26,520 --> 03:48:33,359
been done to address or even further
understand the issue

2593
03:48:30,779 --> 03:48:36,840
number 11 on page 15 says the amendment
will meet the buffer yard requirements

2594
03:48:34,920 --> 03:48:40,979
for the type 3 buffer yard for moving
investment residential homework her

2595
03:48:39,000 --> 03:48:45,779
tonight that's not required in some
places because of that interviewing city

2596
03:48:43,020 --> 03:48:51,120
right away however the project includes
outdoor commercial entertainment and in

2597
03:48:48,359 --> 03:48:55,080
154 405 D outdoor commercial
entertainment requires a Type 4 book

2598
03:48:53,340 --> 03:49:00,239
reorder with residential and selling
profit the section further requires that

2599
03:48:57,840 --> 03:49:04,620
activity areas shall not be visible with
any residentialism problem

2600
03:49:02,580 --> 03:49:08,399
you don't see any determination in the
PE plans or the city's review as to

2601
03:49:07,020 --> 03:49:12,840
whether the commercial outdoor
entertainment activity areas are visible

2602
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:16,319
from residential and zone property the
plans do so the buildings with outdoor

2603
03:49:14,819 --> 03:49:22,680
entertainment near the Upper Ridge
lineup property which is visible for me

2604
03:49:20,399 --> 03:49:25,800
in addition if the winery is a heavy
industrial use for production of

2605
03:49:24,300 --> 03:49:31,859
alcoholic beverages
154 406g requires a Type 4 buffer yard

2606
03:49:29,880 --> 03:49:35,700
along all borders of the property
abiding properties that are not Zone

2607
03:49:34,200 --> 03:49:40,020
heavy Industrial
so what are the actual puffer yard

2608
03:49:37,800 --> 03:49:46,260
requirements and how does the amendment
demonstrate performance

2609
03:49:43,140 --> 03:49:50,580
item number 13 on page 16 that has
well-anticipated phasing for the project

2610
03:49:48,000 --> 03:49:55,620
is described here her phase components
and timing of phases

2611
03:49:53,340 --> 03:49:59,760
this of course raises the question of
whether the anticipated phasing actually

2612
03:49:57,600 --> 03:50:04,260
means anything at all but where the
amendment cease to justify any phasing

2613
03:50:02,160 --> 03:50:08,580
that the developers uses regardless of
what's

2614
03:50:06,120 --> 03:50:14,520
item number 13 goes on to staying
furthermore that Galena zoning ordinance

2615
03:50:10,560 --> 03:50:17,340
154 923 f3a states of the zoning
administrator to come for the minor

2616
03:50:16,140 --> 03:50:23,819
amendments
however this is not what 154-923 f3a

2617
03:50:21,540 --> 03:50:28,020
states what it actually says is the
zoning administrator May approve the

2618
03:50:25,800 --> 03:50:34,439
volume amendments for individual Lots
within the area covered by Marathon

2619
03:50:31,560 --> 03:50:39,420
a lot is defined by the zoning ordinance
as a partial gland that meets the

2620
03:50:36,420 --> 03:50:45,359
follow-up one it's undivided by a street
or a private road two is occupied by or

2621
03:50:42,840 --> 03:50:49,859
designated to be developed for one
billion for principle years

2622
03:50:47,760 --> 03:50:54,120
clearly what the amendment described as
Parcels that may be combined in the

2623
03:50:51,660 --> 03:50:58,080
future does not need this definition
is the area of the combined Parcels is

2624
03:50:56,279 --> 03:51:01,439
divided by private roads and is
designated to be developed for more than

2625
03:50:59,880 --> 03:51:05,220
one building
the portion of the zoning ordinance that

2626
03:51:03,600 --> 03:51:08,340
provides for minor amendments in a
preliminary PUD by the zoning

2627
03:51:06,779 --> 03:51:12,720
administrator was meant for small
individual laws in a large development

2628
03:51:10,140 --> 03:51:16,080
not for the entire development
because the beauty Parcels do not meet

2629
03:51:14,640 --> 03:51:20,100
the standards and the ordinance that
provide for the resulting administrator

2630
03:51:17,640 --> 03:51:27,060
approved minor amendments amendments to
preliminary PUD fall under 154 or 923

2631
03:51:23,960 --> 03:51:31,380
f3c which states all other amendments of
libertarian development plan use the

2632
03:51:29,279 --> 03:51:36,300
same process and criteria used for
preliminary plan

2633
03:51:33,899 --> 03:51:40,580
therefore the statements that item
number 13 of the Amendments should not

2634
03:51:38,279 --> 03:51:40,580
conform

2635
03:51:41,880 --> 03:51:49,020
number 17 on page 21 says the amendment
will comply with the purposes and

2636
03:51:46,319 --> 03:51:52,680
intensive awareness a lot of ways this
doesn't apply but if you just look at

2637
03:51:50,700 --> 03:51:57,540
the overall purpose of the zoning code
in

2638
03:51:53,779 --> 03:52:01,340
154005 it mentions things like detecting
and preserving the character value and

2639
03:51:59,220 --> 03:52:05,880
stability of the city and adjacent areas
prohibiting uses and buildings and

2640
03:52:03,540 --> 03:52:09,660
compatible with zoning districts you
have any congestion of public streets

2641
03:52:07,739 --> 03:52:14,100
and protecting public health safety and
Welfare

2642
03:52:10,560 --> 03:52:17,520
eliminating non-conforming uses ensuring
the continuation of the city's

2643
03:52:15,479 --> 03:52:21,840
historical character identity diversity
of authenticity attaining the objectives

2644
03:52:20,160 --> 03:52:25,920
of the company
this development and Amendment does not

2645
03:52:23,939 --> 03:52:30,779
serve those premises
there's no natural resource protection

2646
03:52:27,600 --> 03:52:34,260
plan required by 154 503
maps in the preliminary plan and the

2647
03:52:32,700 --> 03:52:38,460
amendment don't delineate all the
required features we claim that natural

2648
03:52:36,420 --> 03:52:43,200
resources will be understood potential
Labs of development features disturbing

2649
03:52:40,800 --> 03:52:47,640
natural resources for instance the
amendment indicates that 100 percent of

2650
03:52:45,300 --> 03:52:52,020
shore property will be protected their
support buffers are not shown on any of

2651
03:52:49,620 --> 03:52:55,939
the project maps and project Maps do
show development features in areas

2652
03:52:57,120 --> 03:53:05,160
the city's website has a standard form
request for zoning map amendments

2653
03:53:03,000 --> 03:53:09,060
the form includes a section notice to
applicants or States

2654
03:53:06,960 --> 03:53:12,779
an amendment to the zoning map may be
granted only when the public interest

2655
03:53:10,680 --> 03:53:16,260
will be served by the teams the
enactment of an amendment cannot be

2656
03:53:14,520 --> 03:53:20,060
based simply on the benefit which would
accrue to an individual or group of

2657
03:53:18,000 --> 03:53:24,120
individuals as a result of the change
rather an amendment must be in harmony

2658
03:53:22,380 --> 03:53:29,939
with the goals and objectives of
comprehensive planning for the good

2659
03:53:27,120 --> 03:53:34,319
make impartial and consistent decisions
and mathematic cases the zoning board

2660
03:53:32,220 --> 03:53:39,620
considers the following checklist of
specific factors related to the request

2661
03:53:37,020 --> 03:53:46,220
there's then a list of 17 questions
these questions been considered by those

2662
03:53:42,180 --> 03:53:46,220
on the board were they considered

2663
03:53:46,380 --> 03:53:52,319
I'll just answer a few of them for
zoning change to play a media

2664
03:53:50,580 --> 03:53:56,880
development is contrary to the general
welfare of the community is contrary to

2665
03:53:54,779 --> 03:54:01,200
the established land use pattern and
creates an isolated unrelated district

2666
03:53:58,800 --> 03:54:06,060
has been consistent with the existing
uses contributes to dangerous traffic

2667
03:54:03,540 --> 03:54:10,439
patterns and congestion and adversely
enhances living conditions in the

2668
03:54:07,859 --> 03:54:15,620
vicinity adversely affects property
values and Insanity does not combat

2669
03:54:13,080 --> 03:54:21,060
economic segregation in the business
names now

2670
03:54:18,840 --> 03:54:24,840
I've heard a lot tonight we couldn't go
through everything I hope this is enough

2671
03:54:23,040 --> 03:54:29,220
to be clear that the amendment doesn't
demonstrate

2672
03:54:26,899 --> 03:54:33,000
it should not be recommended for
approval realize you have a lot to

2673
03:54:31,260 --> 03:54:36,479
consider tonight it's been a long night
it's a complex Proposal with a lot of

2674
03:54:34,859 --> 03:54:42,779
these development
understand

2675
03:54:38,760 --> 03:54:46,380
thank you any questions yeah I do have a
question you're going to be the last one

2676
03:54:45,060 --> 03:54:51,120
you're going to get hit with it so
apologies up front so I've heard all my

2677
03:54:49,080 --> 03:54:57,660
folks say this is going to adversely
impact our values other than someone

2678
03:54:54,359 --> 03:55:02,699
talking to a real or terrible okay any
business I've ever been involved in if

2679
03:55:00,180 --> 03:55:06,540
I'm spending 40 million dollars 80
million dollars 100 million dollars to

2680
03:55:04,500 --> 03:55:11,460
build something generally the property
values go up around

2681
03:55:08,640 --> 03:55:16,040
what say you about that
well the only thing to say about that is

2682
03:55:13,620 --> 03:55:16,040
the information

2683
03:55:16,340 --> 03:55:22,439
that Wendy mentioned about you know the
clients and values during the period of

2684
03:55:20,939 --> 03:55:27,000
construction
During the period of Construction

2685
03:55:23,779 --> 03:55:31,800
Construction different story once it's
complete a whole other story correct

2686
03:55:28,920 --> 03:55:37,500
maybe I don't think that we know whether
that is what we need well it's been

2687
03:55:34,439 --> 03:55:43,739
stated that the developers by several
people that they paid a very inflated

2688
03:55:39,960 --> 03:55:49,920
price per acre for the land so is that
that causing the value of the land out

2689
03:55:46,439 --> 03:55:49,920
there to increase

2690
03:55:56,660 --> 03:56:04,500
so I can't say for sure but you know
what the developer is doing and what

2691
03:56:02,399 --> 03:56:07,640
he's paying for land is different than
what residents

2692
03:56:08,040 --> 03:56:14,460
we treat our properties
I'm not sure that that's a fair

2693
03:56:12,359 --> 03:56:19,199
comparison to talk about allowing
martial development by someone without

2694
03:56:17,000 --> 03:56:24,020
making limits to what they can paid
compared to

2695
03:56:20,939 --> 03:56:24,020
regular people

2696
03:56:25,560 --> 03:56:32,279
it was fair to say that well we can
actually say what the values of homes

2697
03:56:30,840 --> 03:56:35,819
are going to be
when this is completed whether they're

2698
03:56:33,960 --> 03:56:40,739
going to be higher than what they are
now or they're going to be less nobody

2699
03:56:38,279 --> 03:56:45,120
can actually say that right
I don't know I don't know I mean because

2700
03:56:43,260 --> 03:56:50,040
I can't I don't know what the values of
properties are going to do so to put

2701
03:56:47,279 --> 03:56:54,120
that out there isn't an actual next to
the resort well it wouldn't buy well

2702
03:56:51,779 --> 03:56:57,899
I'll answer them
I'll see it every morning when I walk

2703
03:56:55,859 --> 03:57:03,120
out in front of my house
on South Street

2704
03:57:00,020 --> 03:57:07,500
I will see it because I was the one that
communicated with the realtor would that

2705
03:57:05,279 --> 03:57:12,979
be all right with you I just I'm just
looking for a fact that's all I'm

2706
03:57:08,880 --> 03:57:12,979
looking for Wendy that's my answer

2707
03:57:13,680 --> 03:57:20,160
I think you stated during that fact it
was during construction correct which is

2708
03:57:18,060 --> 03:57:25,620
let's not forget that construction and
phasing is intended to last possibly as

2709
03:57:24,060 --> 03:57:29,640
someone who has already been living was
the construction next to me for three

2710
03:57:27,660 --> 03:57:34,439
years and I've got another three years I
understand your pain but it's not

2711
03:57:31,920 --> 03:57:39,359
decreasing my property value right but
yeah that's a fact it is you know the

2712
03:57:36,899 --> 03:57:43,859
zoning mortgage doesn't pass and it asks
about or the cell factors actually in

2713
03:57:41,580 --> 03:57:48,420
the assets
he's not talking about 10 years down the

2714
03:57:46,859 --> 03:57:53,399
road or another
it's asking if it has an impact and the

2715
03:57:51,060 --> 03:57:58,380
answer is it does so if I need to sell
my property that's five reasons okay I

2716
03:57:56,279 --> 03:58:02,520
lose so that's really if there's not a
time frame thank you okay I mean it

2717
03:58:00,840 --> 03:58:06,660
could there could be a fact Wendy but
nobody can say for sure that's all I was

2718
03:58:04,260 --> 03:58:10,199
asking this gentleman here
okay

2719
03:58:08,880 --> 03:58:13,640
thank you
all right any other questions

2720
03:58:15,359 --> 03:58:21,180
thank you sir
thank you

2721
03:58:18,180 --> 03:58:26,340
anyone else to speak
that's it uh the African is ready to

2722
03:58:24,660 --> 03:58:30,600
rebut all right
so if you want to come forward you have

2723
03:58:28,620 --> 03:58:34,080
the right to test questions after that
I've heard

2724
03:58:31,620 --> 03:58:37,939
however the applicant
after the remote yeah okay because

2725
03:58:36,359 --> 03:58:45,840
they'll get the chance to
rebuttals thank you

2726
03:58:41,060 --> 03:58:49,100
so there were a lot of yeah sorry name
again Sandra Lawrence

2727
03:58:50,779 --> 03:58:57,660
about it
um

2728
03:58:54,420 --> 03:59:01,260
so there's been a lot of concerns and
we're not going to go Point by point

2729
03:58:59,580 --> 03:59:05,699
because
there's not time but we do want to speak

2730
03:59:04,140 --> 03:59:09,960
to some of the themes so that's what
we're going to try to do and the first

2731
03:59:07,979 --> 03:59:13,920
the first thing I would say is that
although we appreciate concerns

2732
03:59:11,880 --> 03:59:19,380
surrounding all the issues mentioned
since there is no change from the

2733
03:59:16,199 --> 03:59:24,060
approved preliminary PUD what was
approved we're going to focus on we're

2734
03:59:22,319 --> 03:59:29,220
going to focus our responses on issues
that pertain to the amendment that's

2735
03:59:26,279 --> 03:59:33,060
what we're going to focus on
um

2736
03:59:30,359 --> 03:59:36,899
and we've already shown how the
amendment meets the seven approval

2737
03:59:34,620 --> 03:59:43,160
criteria and if the amendment is not
approved the already approved

2738
03:59:38,819 --> 03:59:46,979
preliminary Beauty plans remains enforce
so I will touch on a couple things and

2739
03:59:46,199 --> 03:59:51,420
then
um on topics that are specific to

2740
03:59:48,960 --> 03:59:55,739
different team members they'll respond
to those topics and you can ask us

2741
03:59:53,279 --> 04:00:00,540
questions as you wish in those topic
areas will try to Cluster them

2742
03:59:58,640 --> 04:00:04,859
organized living
so the first thing I will just mention

2743
04:00:02,520 --> 04:00:08,760
on occupancy in general there has been
no change in the number of units so the

2744
04:00:06,660 --> 04:00:16,760
question isn't germane to the amendment
in terms of occupancy levels

2745
04:00:12,239 --> 04:00:16,760
that was mainly approved community

2746
04:00:18,540 --> 04:00:25,439
um later labor shortage I can speak to
directly we have other properties and if

2747
04:00:23,100 --> 04:00:30,660
it's a nationwide issue and we've found
success by working with International

2748
04:00:27,060 --> 04:00:34,800
students J-1 students they are and we
use them at other properties and we

2749
04:00:32,220 --> 04:00:38,220
provide housing for them ourselves and
so we take care of the housing and the

2750
04:00:36,600 --> 04:00:42,300
students and we found that to be a
successful labor supplemental strategy

2751
04:00:40,920 --> 04:00:46,859
as needed
yeah

2752
04:00:44,460 --> 04:00:51,600
as far as Vineyard uses of the property
planning Vineyards is an approved use

2753
04:00:49,140 --> 04:00:56,699
for limited agricultural zoning in fact
as cultivation is permitted use in all

2754
04:00:54,359 --> 04:01:00,420
of the industrial zoning districts and
there are already existing successful

2755
04:00:58,380 --> 04:01:06,680
wineries located in the Galena area
we're in a Cellars Rocky Waters

2756
04:01:03,380 --> 04:01:06,680
massback Ridge

2757
04:01:07,140 --> 04:01:15,060
I'm gonna turn it over to Andy to talk
about issues that he has the knowledge

2758
04:01:13,020 --> 04:01:18,540
base for but before I do that I guess I
would ask to you I'll have any questions

2759
04:01:16,380 --> 04:01:22,319
with me directly I do I've got a few
questions for you and thank you for

2760
04:01:20,640 --> 04:01:27,540
coming back up
the first question I've got we've heard

2761
04:01:24,899 --> 04:01:33,600
a lot of conversation this evening uh
from many individuals with respect to

2762
04:01:30,420 --> 04:01:38,939
the existing residents and with respect
to the expanded Maintenance building

2763
04:01:36,500 --> 04:01:44,580
obviously these aren't detailed plans
because this is preliminary but just to

2764
04:01:41,939 --> 04:01:48,660
put uh answer the questions can you
explain those two items please do us

2765
04:01:46,920 --> 04:01:53,220
just a little bit more so I'm going to
have Jim explain it Jim can do that

2766
04:01:50,340 --> 04:01:57,560
architect and he is more familiar with
the details that's fine thank you

2767
04:01:58,100 --> 04:02:04,620
all right you want to explain it now Jim
and you can stay there too in case

2768
04:02:03,000 --> 04:02:10,500
there's another question
just to answer the question okay so with

2769
04:02:07,500 --> 04:02:15,600
respect to the the residents
um that was meant to just be um like a

2770
04:02:13,319 --> 04:02:19,439
caretaker's residence for somebody who
probably was working on the site there's

2771
04:02:16,920 --> 04:02:25,080
no other use for that
um the we we originally had a

2772
04:02:22,439 --> 04:02:31,739
maintenance building on the east side of
the property when the entrance was off

2773
04:02:29,580 --> 04:02:36,540
of blackjack and that route that went up
through the woods

2774
04:02:33,899 --> 04:02:41,600
um but now that the entrance is coming
in from the West I'm sorry from the East

2775
04:02:40,199 --> 04:02:45,000
um that Maintenance building was
misplaced uh it was not in the right

2776
04:02:44,040 --> 04:02:48,779
spot
um so we already had a small Maintenance

2777
04:02:47,399 --> 04:02:53,699
building down
um and on the rented benches we call it

2778
04:02:50,939 --> 04:02:58,080
and so we would just probably be using
it for storage of um you know

2779
04:02:55,920 --> 04:03:03,359
maintenance equipment lawn mowers and
things like that

2780
04:02:59,760 --> 04:03:07,880
the next question is for Sandy again you
say you gotta you gotta you're gonna get

2781
04:03:05,040 --> 04:03:10,880
your exercise here
foreign

2782
04:03:11,720 --> 04:03:21,300
yes so with respect to the 18.24 Acres
um I know you are asking to bring that

2783
04:03:18,779 --> 04:03:25,979
into the Pud but leave it limited
Agriculture and that was a question

2784
04:03:23,580 --> 04:03:29,460
asked by a couple of individuals and I
think we would like to understand their

2785
04:03:27,479 --> 04:03:32,279
reasoning for bringing it in can you
explain that please

2786
04:03:31,020 --> 04:03:38,699
so
um the reasoning for bringing it in was

2787
04:03:34,739 --> 04:03:43,620
the change in the entryway because it's
an improved entryway for the development

2788
04:03:40,979 --> 04:03:47,100
so that's why we chose to bring it in
um as we were working with the city in

2789
04:03:45,420 --> 04:03:51,359
terms of understanding what does this
mean via ordinance right how do we bring

2790
04:03:49,800 --> 04:03:55,800
this in
um as mentioned it doesn't perfectly

2791
04:03:53,880 --> 04:04:00,779
apply anywhere so we went with the
default of assuming it's an amendment

2792
04:03:57,720 --> 04:04:03,899
and Amendment to the existence so that
was

2793
04:04:01,739 --> 04:04:08,819
because it didn't fit perfectly in terms
of a major or minor we said let's just

2794
04:04:06,420 --> 04:04:13,279
be safe and let's do an amendment and go
through this process with the public

2795
04:04:10,260 --> 04:04:17,000
hearing so that's what we did thank you
any other questions

2796
04:04:17,899 --> 04:04:23,699
Andy was going to come up and speak to
some of the things specific to the

2797
04:04:21,660 --> 04:04:27,779
engineering side
thank you

2798
04:04:25,920 --> 04:04:29,840
in your reader
um

2799
04:04:31,319 --> 04:04:37,979
I'm just going to touch on a few a few
things

2800
04:04:35,819 --> 04:04:43,739
regarding the questions related to the
final design details that you mentioned

2801
04:04:40,760 --> 04:04:50,040
these will be provided in the final
design phase we're not requiring

2802
04:04:45,899 --> 04:04:54,739
preliminary PUD Amendment phase
we've provided the required materials

2803
04:04:52,260 --> 04:04:59,340
for the preliminary Community submittal
and we're not required to provide the

2804
04:04:57,120 --> 04:05:04,020
final design phase information at this
stage but we will provide additional

2805
04:05:01,439 --> 04:05:08,279
detail as required during that final
design that includes the analysis

2806
04:05:05,939 --> 04:05:14,819
required by all the Regulatory Agencies
as we go through final PUD approval

2807
04:05:12,439 --> 04:05:21,899
approval of all the local and state
agencies those

2808
04:05:18,359 --> 04:05:24,540
specific details get designed and hashed
out and

2809
04:05:23,220 --> 04:05:27,319
um
presented

2810
04:05:27,840 --> 04:05:35,399
um
regarding the

2811
04:05:30,300 --> 04:05:39,960
runoff questions that were asked earlier
um I'll go back and and kind of

2812
04:05:37,439 --> 04:05:45,660
re-emphasize what we talked about
previously the proposed project is going

2813
04:05:43,920 --> 04:05:52,380
to incorporate
small local bmps at the at the upper

2814
04:05:49,279 --> 04:05:58,160
portions of the project and that's the
intent of that is to

2815
04:05:54,960 --> 04:06:04,680
reduce that runoff going down the hill
rain Gardens biosoils

2816
04:06:01,739 --> 04:06:10,859
infiltration measures
anything that is not accommodated by

2817
04:06:06,899 --> 04:06:17,520
those small bnps will will be
collected treated and detained in larger

2818
04:06:14,160 --> 04:06:22,920
bmps that were originally planned but
um

2819
04:06:18,960 --> 04:06:28,859
again just to reiterate the uh the final
stormwater design will not increase the

2820
04:06:25,920 --> 04:06:34,699
discharge to adjacent properties it'll
meet all local and Regional design

2821
04:06:31,020 --> 04:06:38,819
requirements and um
and the last

2822
04:06:37,380 --> 04:06:42,960
portion that I was going to talk about
there was many comments brought up about

2823
04:06:42,680 --> 04:06:46,920
[Music]
um

2824
04:06:44,340 --> 04:06:49,739
different permitting requirements and
not having those permits and you

2825
04:06:48,420 --> 04:06:55,439
wouldn't have those permits at this
stage in the preliminary state that's

2826
04:06:51,840 --> 04:06:58,380
part of the next stage of going through
um

2827
04:06:55,920 --> 04:07:02,580
[Music]
original

2828
04:06:59,420 --> 04:07:09,660
application reviewed the permitting
process including endangered species

2829
04:07:05,540 --> 04:07:13,140
idnr all of those applications will be
submitted

2830
04:07:11,160 --> 04:07:18,000
for review and approval
as the final design plans are developed

2831
04:07:15,779 --> 04:07:25,100
we wouldn't submit
for approval until we had those design

2832
04:07:21,180 --> 04:07:25,100
details as part of that process

2833
04:07:25,739 --> 04:07:32,760
there's a lot of a lot of stuff out
there but those are the three um for

2834
04:07:31,319 --> 04:07:37,279
this time
if there's questions

2835
04:07:34,160 --> 04:07:42,779
any questions
Andrew I've got one question for you I

2836
04:07:39,960 --> 04:07:46,800
figured you were the red guy here so I'm
going to ask you of this one you know a

2837
04:07:44,699 --> 04:07:52,260
lot of discussions come up specifically
now that uh this 18 Acres we're looking

2838
04:07:49,199 --> 04:07:58,739
at changing the uh entrance and exit to
the the area have has the owner

2839
04:07:56,100 --> 04:08:01,580
developer thought about doing a traffic
analysis

2840
04:08:01,760 --> 04:08:08,819
oh Jim is going to comment on that okay
thank you

2841
04:08:06,720 --> 04:08:11,880
uh one real quick question maybe you're
not going to answer because I know you

2842
04:08:10,140 --> 04:08:16,920
don't work for the city but currently
there was some people concerned about

2843
04:08:13,979 --> 04:08:20,640
the sewer going across the river I
assume that would be an under under the

2844
04:08:18,479 --> 04:08:26,479
riverboar and would that be very similar
to probably what East Side sewage now is

2845
04:08:23,340 --> 04:08:26,479
currently going under the river

2846
04:08:29,600 --> 04:08:32,660
thank you

2847
04:08:33,560 --> 04:08:36,560
foreign

2848
04:08:39,020 --> 04:08:46,620
with respect to traffic so
um

2849
04:08:43,739 --> 04:08:50,520
there has there is no formal
um requirement before

2850
04:08:48,300 --> 04:08:56,640
The Practice coming now at the county
and or the city requested one that

2851
04:08:53,279 --> 04:09:01,739
obviously we're looking to do it
um and as we move into the next phase

2852
04:08:59,279 --> 04:09:05,160
that would be a logical place that's
something like that might be best but I

2853
04:09:03,720 --> 04:09:08,520
will say
you know the council did talk about

2854
04:09:07,260 --> 04:09:17,540
travel
um and so did the board here and uh

2855
04:09:14,399 --> 04:09:21,840
it was on the February 9th meeting
that uh

2856
04:09:19,920 --> 04:09:26,699
your person Wilson called discussed the
seasonality of the traffic on blackjack

2857
04:09:24,060 --> 04:09:32,100
with respect to Chestnut
um Chestnut has its heaviest uh traffic

2858
04:09:29,880 --> 04:09:35,520
in the wintertime
um and this is daily traffic and when

2859
04:09:33,899 --> 04:09:41,640
people are in that out
um whereas our heavier traffic would be

2860
04:09:39,239 --> 04:09:44,520
our seasonally so it would be mostly
been made in the summer time

2861
04:09:44,100 --> 04:09:48,060
[Music]
um

2862
04:09:45,180 --> 04:09:52,140
also on February 28th
all the person Khan agreed that traffic

2863
04:09:49,979 --> 04:09:55,680
would be increased but increased demands
would not be any worse than a busy

2864
04:09:53,460 --> 04:10:00,479
weekend our chest went
um and the traffic would not be constant

2865
04:09:58,080 --> 04:10:04,920
all day long but I think at that point
all the persons that keep her in need

2866
04:10:02,399 --> 04:10:07,460
and agree with that statement
um

2867
04:10:05,939 --> 04:10:13,979
the uh
during the the approval process for the

2868
04:10:10,920 --> 04:10:18,020
council they also considered
um the existing parking issues uh in

2869
04:10:16,020 --> 04:10:22,800
downtown Galena this included
consideration of our plan mitigation

2870
04:10:20,340 --> 04:10:27,120
strategy which is to keep our visitor
cars out of the property by providing a

2871
04:10:24,899 --> 04:10:30,779
regular shuttle bus and allowing people
to walk the course

2872
04:10:29,040 --> 04:10:37,260
um the reason we're running our shuttle
bus up we make a right-hand term on

2873
04:10:34,500 --> 04:10:41,880
Route 20 so that when it makes the
left-hand turn down the failure it can

2874
04:10:40,020 --> 04:10:46,979
drop people off easily at the new
History Museum and also at the granite

2875
04:10:45,720 --> 04:10:51,359
Hall
um one last point about traffic

2876
04:10:49,800 --> 04:10:58,380
um
the I think it's important to note that

2877
04:10:54,600 --> 04:11:02,279
Fried Green Tomatoes is no longer
um out in the country where it once was

2878
04:11:00,779 --> 04:11:05,880
and you talked to Fred Bonnett about
that

2879
04:11:03,180 --> 04:11:10,140
um and Fred said that on a typical busy
Saturday he would serve approximately

2880
04:11:07,920 --> 04:11:14,340
400 people
um and he assumed between two and three

2881
04:11:11,880 --> 04:11:21,779
people per vehicle that was about
160 vehicles or about 320 trips on a

2882
04:11:18,779 --> 04:11:25,380
Saturday night between 4 and 10.
um this is about an average of 53

2883
04:11:23,460 --> 04:11:29,359
vehicles per hour
um and those trips no longer exist

2884
04:11:37,260 --> 04:11:41,660
any other questions no you answered it
thanks

2885
04:11:41,960 --> 04:11:46,319
foreign Street

2886
04:11:49,020 --> 04:11:54,720
um I wanted to touch on a couple trains
um

2887
04:11:51,739 --> 04:11:58,199
comprehensive plan has come up a lot
um in the comments that were made and I

2888
04:11:57,300 --> 04:12:03,720
just
it needs to be really understood that

2889
04:12:00,840 --> 04:12:08,699
the proposed Management's plan for the
area where this project is going to be

2890
04:12:06,479 --> 04:12:13,620
located
um was not designated as a green area it

2891
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:17,760
was not shown
um

2892
04:12:15,000 --> 04:12:21,420
in the proposed land use map every
Square bit of the mile and a half around

2893
04:12:19,739 --> 04:12:26,580
the city has been not has not been
designated for use not because no use is

2894
04:12:24,720 --> 04:12:32,100
ever envisioned in these areas but
certainly that

2895
04:12:29,100 --> 04:12:36,420
where they in the plan narrated that
there would be green space areas they

2896
04:12:34,380 --> 04:12:40,680
designated those green space areas on
the plan

2897
04:12:38,160 --> 04:12:46,020
when they said that there should be the
city should consider annexing the areas

2898
04:12:42,779 --> 04:12:49,560
bounded on three sides by the city
they meant look at the map look at the

2899
04:12:48,060 --> 04:12:52,199
areas where they're expanded on three
sides because you've been Force

2900
04:12:50,520 --> 04:12:56,399
annexation there you should consider
bringing those in those are areas that

2901
04:12:54,359 --> 04:13:00,180
are benefiting from the city but not
paying taxes in the city and you should

2902
04:12:58,199 --> 04:13:04,380
consider bringing them in
those were the discussions that took

2903
04:13:01,859 --> 04:13:08,819
place when that was being formed
um

2904
04:13:06,239 --> 04:13:14,160
I only believe in the comprehensive plan
I was the development director when the

2905
04:13:11,520 --> 04:13:19,500
first plan was adopted I had a Community
Development consulting firm we developed

2906
04:13:17,040 --> 04:13:23,580
the County's comprehensive plan in 1999
I worked with the city and the other

2907
04:13:21,600 --> 04:13:28,739
municipalities on the continuous home
areas I know what they were meant to be

2908
04:13:26,340 --> 04:13:31,979
it was so that the county if they were
going to approve something in those

2909
04:13:30,060 --> 04:13:36,960
areas they would require that it be put
on City Water and Sewer it was a very

2910
04:13:34,620 --> 04:13:44,399
specific thing and none of these things
are locked in place I I say that I I

2911
04:13:40,920 --> 04:13:48,540
mean I usually been planning a lot and
even in the comprehensive plan I just

2912
04:13:46,739 --> 04:13:53,279
just to reiterate kind of what I said
but from the plan it says

2913
04:13:51,720 --> 04:13:57,300
I'm talking about the holes and
objectives and the actions it should be

2914
04:13:55,380 --> 04:14:01,800
emphasized that these goals objectives
and action statements are not cast in

2915
04:13:59,699 --> 04:14:04,920
concrete while the city's Planning
Commission has developed these goals

2916
04:14:03,120 --> 04:14:08,640
objectives and action statements based
on the best information available and

2917
04:14:06,779 --> 04:14:13,319
the needs of the city at a point in time
changing needs and desires within the

2918
04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:17,279
city or changes in local population our
economy mainly these goals objectives

2919
04:14:15,660 --> 04:14:20,000
and action statements we need to be
re-evaluated

2920
04:14:21,260 --> 04:14:28,319
needs and conditions while still
providing the strong guiding mechanisms

2921
04:14:25,260 --> 04:14:32,819
for future development
there was talk of the change of the

2922
04:14:30,600 --> 04:14:37,920
character of the area you have a very
specific criteria on which to base an

2923
04:14:35,520 --> 04:14:40,920
approval decision and the second one
says

2924
04:14:39,000 --> 04:14:44,819
whether there has been a change of
character in the area or throughout the

2925
04:14:42,779 --> 04:14:50,160
city and that it's specified what it's
talking about due to installation of

2926
04:14:47,100 --> 04:14:54,300
public facilities other zone changes New
Growth Trends deterioration development

2927
04:14:52,260 --> 04:14:57,720
transitions Etc
citing your changes in the public

2928
04:14:56,100 --> 04:15:01,800
facilities development and what that
means to areas that can be developed

2929
04:14:59,399 --> 04:15:06,800
easily is directly pertinent to this
property

2930
04:15:04,080 --> 04:15:11,720
other zone changes
preliminary pme plan is a significant

2931
04:15:09,420 --> 04:15:11,720
change

2932
04:15:15,120 --> 04:15:20,160
I also want to touch on some of the
water issues and going back to the

2933
04:15:18,359 --> 04:15:24,660
planning thing I've been very involved
in the County's Water Resource

2934
04:15:22,260 --> 04:15:30,120
Management plan which I think was being
decided

2935
04:15:26,000 --> 04:15:32,300
and the polino Watershed based plan as
well

2936
04:15:32,340 --> 04:15:37,739
there's been a lot of concerns expressed
in various settings about the Parker

2937
04:15:35,760 --> 04:15:41,699
project being located on karst and about
the threat of water contamination and

2938
04:15:39,479 --> 04:15:45,600
flooding for over a decade I've been
working within a process of shared

2939
04:15:43,380 --> 04:15:49,140
learning about our local hydrogeology
through rigorous Community engagement we

2940
04:15:47,520 --> 04:15:53,340
came up with questions about our geology
and our water resources and then worked

2941
04:15:51,660 --> 04:15:57,300
with Scientists to design and conduct
research projects to help us answer

2942
04:15:54,720 --> 04:16:01,620
questions this research has been peer
reviewed and published This research

2943
04:15:59,460 --> 04:16:06,600
relates to and directly informs the
Parker classic design

2944
04:16:04,260 --> 04:16:10,199
we do live in a car stereo so it's
important to be aware of the nature of

2945
04:16:08,040 --> 04:16:14,460
our geology relative to building our
carbonate Bedrock is generally a sound

2946
04:16:12,180 --> 04:16:18,239
base for construction all of Joe Davis
County was built on cars and the Parker

2947
04:16:16,739 --> 04:16:21,060
project will be no different in that
regard

2948
04:16:19,199 --> 04:16:25,100
I would suggest that the greater concern
with karst in our area is water quality

2949
04:16:23,279 --> 04:16:29,699
both surface water and groundwater
surface water and ground water are

2950
04:16:27,420 --> 04:16:33,840
closely integrated in cars areas
research suggests the benefit of

2951
04:16:31,979 --> 04:16:38,580
development being on city sewer to
prevent septic contamination

2952
04:16:36,359 --> 04:16:44,460
of both groundwater and surface water
resources is extremely important that

2953
04:16:40,979 --> 04:16:47,880
the Parker will be served by city sewer
storm water management is critical for

2954
04:16:46,260 --> 04:16:52,140
Effective Water Resource Management in
our area and the design of the Parker

2955
04:16:49,859 --> 04:16:56,100
project affords many opportunities for
green infrastructure amenities

2956
04:16:54,180 --> 04:17:00,180
storm water management will continue to
be an important pillar of the project as

2957
04:16:58,260 --> 04:17:04,140
final designs are created for each
amazed and is during the final design

2958
04:17:02,040 --> 04:17:07,920
phase that will see those details when
you know the career we understand but

2959
04:17:05,939 --> 04:17:13,260
it's it's built into the preliminary
plan where our intent is and it will and

2960
04:17:10,380 --> 04:17:17,279
it's required by our ordinances
but our stormwater Oregon states that no

2961
04:17:15,720 --> 04:17:21,660
development shall cause Downstream
Property Owners waterfalls channels or

2962
04:17:19,380 --> 04:17:25,380
conduits through received stormwater
going out from proposed developments and

2963
04:17:23,699 --> 04:17:29,160
a higher PPO rate than would have
resulted from the Sandstone event

2964
04:17:26,819 --> 04:17:34,939
occurred occurring over the site of a
proposed development and its natural

2965
04:17:31,560 --> 04:17:34,939
undeveloped conditions

2966
04:17:37,199 --> 04:17:46,800
yes I have two questions uh first one
I've been trying to look at you know the

2967
04:17:44,520 --> 04:17:52,560
original plan and the new plan is any
part of the already approved portion was

2968
04:17:50,399 --> 04:18:00,180
any part of that
in the growth area

2969
04:17:55,979 --> 04:18:04,859
but that is a continuous growth area
that's shown there is but really the

2970
04:18:02,819 --> 04:18:11,100
point of that is that it isn't about
Parcels so the contiguous growth areas

2971
04:18:07,859 --> 04:18:15,239
that were identified in 2007 are shown
immediately adjacent they're not on that

2972
04:18:12,960 --> 04:18:18,540
plan but in the comprehensive plan yeah
I saw that hard to see it in here though

2973
04:18:17,460 --> 04:18:24,239
yes
um it's immediately adjacent those areas

2974
04:18:20,640 --> 04:18:28,439
identified so it is immediate yes but
the key point is that those are not

2975
04:18:26,100 --> 04:18:32,819
prescriptive per se you know indicative
I understand the next question I've got

2976
04:18:30,840 --> 04:18:37,979
based on what you just mentioned here
Beth and you know thank you Wendy for

2977
04:18:36,300 --> 04:18:45,300
the pictures too that you showed as a
runoff is it possible with with what's

2978
04:18:41,460 --> 04:18:48,720
being done here and you know all the
different things that are being done

2979
04:18:46,979 --> 04:18:52,680
that it could actually help some of this
runoff

2980
04:18:50,880 --> 04:18:57,899
okay yeah
because they're uh there cannot be right

2981
04:18:56,040 --> 04:19:02,760
off of it and you have to meet certain
standards and that area is sort of

2982
04:19:00,060 --> 04:19:06,060
untended right now I would say you see
erosion coming off the hill by the entry

2983
04:19:04,620 --> 04:19:11,220
if you drive by and look at that you'll
see these Big Lots coming down the side

2984
04:19:08,399 --> 04:19:14,760
we're going to put in practices planting
Prairie is going to take a lot of that

2985
04:19:12,899 --> 04:19:17,819
moisture and the whole intent is to hold
the Raindrop right where it falls as

2986
04:19:16,500 --> 04:19:20,660
close to where it falls as you can
Prairie is going to absorb a lot and

2987
04:19:19,739 --> 04:19:25,319
then
accepting that the route may still be

2988
04:19:22,920 --> 04:19:28,199
there'll be some other practices that
are Incorporated

2989
04:19:26,580 --> 04:19:32,239
and that will all be part of a final
design that's presented thank you

2990
04:19:41,220 --> 04:19:44,300
any other questions

2991
04:19:45,920 --> 04:19:52,319
I'd like my rebuttal right well hold on
I think uh

2992
04:19:50,699 --> 04:19:54,600
we're gonna let everybody rebutt or
we're gonna just let one like we did

2993
04:19:53,580 --> 04:19:59,399
last time
I think Wendy didn't you speak last time

2994
04:19:57,000 --> 04:20:01,640
on the rebuttal
um yes

2995
04:20:04,260 --> 04:20:09,840
yes okay that's fine anybody who wants
to speak to robot I'd like to make a

2996
04:20:08,640 --> 04:20:12,239
motion and we're going to let everyone
speak

2997
04:20:11,100 --> 04:20:16,220
Benito
15 minute break at some point here

2998
04:20:16,560 --> 04:20:22,500
okay okay
four hours right I just have a few

2999
04:20:21,000 --> 04:20:27,859
people well it should just be
rebuttaling what was said

3000
04:20:24,239 --> 04:20:27,859
okay just now so

3001
04:20:32,720 --> 04:20:40,319
so a few things to point out um yes at
the tonight focuses on the amendment

3002
04:20:38,040 --> 04:20:45,960
because the preliminary puds already
approved but um remember that the

3003
04:20:43,080 --> 04:20:50,760
application before you includes certain
things that it changes that are within

3004
04:20:47,939 --> 04:20:53,160
that approved preliminary PUD it changes
the phasing it deals with the

3005
04:20:52,020 --> 04:20:56,520
maintenance building and some other
things that are identified in there so

3006
04:20:55,140 --> 04:21:00,420
some of the discussion that you heard
tonight just remember that it is

3007
04:20:57,899 --> 04:21:05,819
relevant because it does affect that
entire movie as well in many places

3008
04:21:04,140 --> 04:21:10,020
um there were some suggestions about
dealing with potential labor shortages

3009
04:21:07,859 --> 04:21:13,859
and housing and we gave an example of
what happens at one of the other Resorts

3010
04:21:11,640 --> 04:21:17,460
but again we're talking about approving
specifically what is or isn't going to

3011
04:21:15,660 --> 04:21:21,899
happen here by creating a new
development District maybe this isn't

3012
04:21:19,920 --> 04:21:25,859
that relevant of a of an issue but
suggest an example that occurs elsewhere

3013
04:21:23,880 --> 04:21:29,939
doesn't really inform what we're
deciding here tonight I mean if they do

3014
04:21:27,720 --> 04:21:35,520
that it would be great but
um there was mention of Vineyards and

3015
04:21:32,880 --> 04:21:40,439
how they're appropriate in this area and
there are a number of Vineyards that

3016
04:21:37,140 --> 04:21:44,460
true that's true but this one would be
within the city limits and that's

3017
04:21:42,420 --> 04:21:50,100
different because within City Limits
different rules apply even though it

3018
04:21:46,439 --> 04:21:54,600
functions as agriculture out there we
have ordinances and things that things

3019
04:21:51,600 --> 04:21:58,260
have to apply in to in the city and so
that that it's just that's just a

3020
04:21:56,460 --> 04:22:01,859
requirement and that makes it different
from mossback Ridge and all the other

3021
04:22:00,180 --> 04:22:05,399
ones
um there was some discussion about the

3022
04:22:04,140 --> 04:22:09,239
maintenance building and I appreciate
that Jim provided a little bit of

3023
04:22:06,779 --> 04:22:12,779
clarification on that but again
um Dave raised some questions about

3024
04:22:10,620 --> 04:22:17,040
conformance with the ordinances because
again when you develop a new zoning

3025
04:22:15,060 --> 04:22:20,760
District you have to say exactly what's
going to be in it what's the variance

3026
04:22:18,600 --> 04:22:25,140
what's allowed what's not and the point
is that none of that is in there in the

3027
04:22:22,859 --> 04:22:31,560
application right now with which to
decide whether or not this should happen

3028
04:22:28,040 --> 04:22:36,180
and size for one thing is is a concern
there so again those are things that are

3029
04:22:33,479 --> 04:22:42,120
just requirements to be laid out per the
zoning ordinances

3030
04:22:38,640 --> 04:22:46,399
um bringing in uh limited agriculture to
the Pud I get that there's sort of this

3031
04:22:44,699 --> 04:22:51,180
kind of hybrid thing going on and
uncertainty about how to deal with that

3032
04:22:48,540 --> 04:22:54,540
but we need to remember that creating a
few to be required

3033
04:22:52,800 --> 04:22:59,880
um and unfortunately it didn't end up
going to be required showing Community

3034
04:22:57,120 --> 04:23:05,279
benefit and similarly amending of who
would be or adding a new few part needs

3035
04:23:02,939 --> 04:23:11,340
to show Community benefit as is laid out
throughout the application as I noted

3036
04:23:07,760 --> 04:23:15,600
incorrectly or misleadingly but again so
it's it's fine that that's how they

3037
04:23:13,380 --> 04:23:19,680
added it but part of that requirement is
social benefit which was not

3038
04:23:17,520 --> 04:23:24,600
demonstrated
um a couple other little things I wanted

3039
04:23:21,420 --> 04:23:27,840
to clarify I really appreciate um Mr
reader's

3040
04:23:25,800 --> 04:23:32,460
um information about the small local
bmps

3041
04:23:29,279 --> 04:23:36,600
um I um when I was mentioning about the
permit requirements however I was mainly

3042
04:23:34,920 --> 04:23:40,080
referring to a requirement in the
ordinance for the pre-application

3043
04:23:37,979 --> 04:23:44,160
conference that all the permit
requirements need to be laid out for the

3044
04:23:42,000 --> 04:23:49,260
development beforehand before things get
started and the reason for that is so

3045
04:23:46,979 --> 04:23:54,060
that you make sure that everything that
needs to be permitted all the approvals

3046
04:23:52,500 --> 04:23:57,660
that need to happen are all listed and
none yet forgotten that's something that

3047
04:23:56,100 --> 04:24:02,640
the bird should be on the city to make
sure that that happens I am quite

3048
04:24:00,000 --> 04:24:06,359
certain that my son is in the process of
becoming an engineer so I understand the

3049
04:24:04,319 --> 04:24:10,500
thoroughness of Engineers and so I have
no doubt whatsoever that the list that

3050
04:24:07,979 --> 04:24:14,640
Mr reader had is comprehensive for the
parts of the proposal that he's in

3051
04:24:12,239 --> 04:24:19,859
charge of the city needs to identify
whether they're in any other additional

3052
04:24:16,680 --> 04:24:25,319
permit requirements or things that just
to make sure they don't get missed

3053
04:24:22,500 --> 04:24:28,859
um to clarify about the Sumer issue
um really I don't think most of us are

3054
04:24:27,060 --> 04:24:31,859
that concerned about going under the
river because those of us who live on

3055
04:24:30,300 --> 04:24:36,180
the east side understand that when we
flushed that's where it goes already and

3056
04:24:33,479 --> 04:24:40,439
it works and that's really excellent but
it's really more about the complex

3057
04:24:38,040 --> 04:24:45,239
infrastructure that would be added and
the inefficiency of again according to

3058
04:24:43,020 --> 04:24:50,040
the requirements that are in the zoning
ordinances for review of resulting about

3059
04:24:47,699 --> 04:24:53,580
the complexity and inefficiency of
adding all this additional

3060
04:24:51,420 --> 04:24:58,080
infrastructure particularly if it has to
be in 30-foot heat trenches because we

3061
04:24:56,100 --> 04:25:02,220
all know Plumbing breaks right I mean it
just does it's just how it works and so

3062
04:25:00,660 --> 04:25:06,720
it's just going to be inefficient and
expensive to address that's really the

3063
04:25:04,620 --> 04:25:11,460
concern
um the information about the traffic is

3064
04:25:09,540 --> 04:25:16,319
is concerned
um the statements of opinion

3065
04:25:14,340 --> 04:25:20,640
um and even to some extent experienced
by the city council members about the

3066
04:25:18,479 --> 04:25:25,800
seasonality of traffic in comparisons to
Chestnut does not substitute for an

3067
04:25:22,920 --> 04:25:29,100
actual fact-based numbers numbers study
and

3068
04:25:27,300 --> 04:25:34,199
um anyone who has driven through there
during the summer time as everybody has

3069
04:25:31,260 --> 04:25:37,920
knows that if Parker's going to be busy
in the summertime it's going to make a

3070
04:25:36,239 --> 04:25:42,779
really bad situation worse with the
Highway 28 4th Street and Third Street

3071
04:25:40,739 --> 04:25:46,140
infrastructure I walk on Rise and Third
Street and I've literally had a dive out

3072
04:25:44,880 --> 04:25:49,800
of the way occasionally because of
vehicles that shoot off a blackjack

3073
04:25:48,000 --> 04:25:54,359
trying to get around the traffic
congestion and orthodontic and they fly

3074
04:25:52,500 --> 04:26:00,659
down a rise in third which don't have
sidewalks so um increasing traffic is

3075
04:25:57,420 --> 04:26:05,399
likely to increase the amount of that
that happens and create risk so what we

3076
04:26:03,600 --> 04:26:09,420
need is not
um as much as I appreciate that some

3077
04:26:07,199 --> 04:26:13,439
folks and I I you know go out back and
forth to Chestnut too and you know I

3078
04:26:11,040 --> 04:26:18,840
understand that traffic but it's not the
same as having a numbers be study I did

3079
04:26:15,960 --> 04:26:22,380
contact I got um last spring and they
gave me some information which I don't

3080
04:26:20,399 --> 04:26:26,939
have at hand tonight but the two
intersections the um Fourth Street and

3081
04:26:24,960 --> 04:26:31,920
the Third Street intersections are
somewhere in the ballpark of like six to

3082
04:26:28,859 --> 04:26:36,960
nine thousand Vehicles a day average
traffic and and that's someone asked

3083
04:26:34,800 --> 04:26:40,020
earlier about capacity I don't know that
they've established capacity I think

3084
04:26:38,580 --> 04:26:45,239
that would be part of the purpose of a
study is to figure that out but they

3085
04:26:42,479 --> 04:26:49,680
definitely as Mr Volvo said have
identified that as a critical

3086
04:26:46,979 --> 04:26:53,819
intersection that has virtually no
options for um for fixing it or

3087
04:26:52,020 --> 04:26:59,279
addressing it because it's bounded on
four sides by historic properties and by

3088
04:26:56,399 --> 04:27:04,739
other features so that's an issue that
Still Remains unaddressed

3089
04:27:02,060 --> 04:27:07,920
the information about Fred Bonnet about
Fried Green Tomatoes that was that was a

3090
04:27:06,479 --> 04:27:11,939
number of years ago I can't remember how
long ago that business posed and came

3091
04:27:09,779 --> 04:27:16,620
into town but since then our visitor
numbers have continued to go up and

3092
04:27:14,279 --> 04:27:20,520
again Jimbo gave some numbers about the
number of residences out there in rice

3093
04:27:18,600 --> 04:27:23,640
Township and the number of parcels that
may still be developed for residents out

3094
04:27:22,080 --> 04:27:29,520
there that are already kind of honestly
to be built so um it's not clear again

3095
04:27:27,000 --> 04:27:34,560
doing current studies with current
numbers would be really helpful to

3096
04:27:31,199 --> 04:27:39,120
understanding the scope of the problem
on iTune work and planning I've worked

3097
04:27:36,659 --> 04:27:42,960
in planning for the last 25 years I
didn't work on the comprehensive plan I

3098
04:27:40,859 --> 04:27:47,760
did recently work on that major plan for
about three million acres in Central

3099
04:27:45,239 --> 04:27:51,300
Montana which is different but what I
understand is that there is intent in

3100
04:27:49,800 --> 04:27:55,080
building a plan and then there is
implementation and the comprehensive

3101
04:27:53,340 --> 04:28:00,300
plan becomes what it is when it's
implemented and again we can't get

3102
04:27:57,300 --> 04:28:07,319
around the requirements that the order
to say that any POV rezoning Etc all of

3103
04:28:05,040 --> 04:28:10,439
this has to meet the goals of the
comprehensive plan it doesn't say

3104
04:28:08,640 --> 04:28:14,399
exactly how to meet them there's
certainly flexibility in interpreting

3105
04:28:12,300 --> 04:28:19,439
whether something actually implies or
not but it all actually needs to be very

3106
04:28:16,920 --> 04:28:24,600
specifically addressed
um the change of character that was

3107
04:28:21,899 --> 04:28:28,260
mentioned public facilities are one of
the things that can change the character

3108
04:28:25,979 --> 04:28:32,760
of an area but since those public
facilities don't currently extend there

3109
04:28:30,720 --> 04:28:37,140
and several of the houses wouldn't even
have them we can't argue that the

3110
04:28:35,760 --> 04:28:41,159
existence of the wastewater treatment
plant has really done much to change the

3111
04:28:39,239 --> 04:28:44,760
character of that area it does maybe
make it possible to build a resort there

3112
04:28:43,020 --> 04:28:49,680
it also makes it possible to provide
Plumbing to the Websters but it doesn't

3113
04:28:46,380 --> 04:28:52,680
so again that's kind of you know not
necessarily the right way to look at

3114
04:28:51,420 --> 04:28:55,620
that
um

3115
04:28:53,819 --> 04:28:59,100
I'm just looking through my quick notes
here

3116
04:28:56,460 --> 04:29:03,720
um I think that we agreed that having us
work that goes out is better than a

3117
04:29:01,620 --> 04:29:06,960
septic on the Limestone cars
um there I don't remember what the place

3118
04:29:05,279 --> 04:29:11,699
was up on beer Street where they found
that waste was just disappearing into

3119
04:29:09,359 --> 04:29:17,159
the hill which is a little scary that's
what happens with septics however having

3120
04:29:14,159 --> 04:29:20,520
neither is best when you have that kind
of a vulnerable landscape

3121
04:29:19,920 --> 04:29:24,479
um
again regarding storm water management

3122
04:29:22,620 --> 04:29:28,920
that's an area that I'm still learning
to understand I do appreciate that

3123
04:29:27,300 --> 04:29:34,380
design can't be done until the final
stage however again there needs to be

3124
04:29:32,279 --> 04:29:40,260
something the ordinances requires
showing that in order to develop this

3125
04:29:37,199 --> 04:29:45,300
District it has to demonstrate show how
it conforms with the stormwater

3126
04:29:42,120 --> 04:29:50,399
ordinances and so that might mean that
this just isn't ready to be approved

3127
04:29:47,220 --> 04:29:54,779
until a final stage which is actually in
the handout that I gave you there the

3128
04:29:52,500 --> 04:29:59,040
example where I showed um
oh the approved ODP versus not lower on

3129
04:29:57,720 --> 04:30:02,520
that page there was a clip of an
ordinance that also talks about that or

3130
04:30:00,840 --> 04:30:07,199
somewhere in those anyway it talks about
how you can wait if you don't have

3131
04:30:04,620 --> 04:30:11,340
enough detail to approve a district of
ordinance until you've seen the final

3132
04:30:08,580 --> 04:30:14,760
plan so that is one option that gets
down into the weeds of things I don't

3133
04:30:12,779 --> 04:30:18,060
know a whole lot about but I'm not sure
how you demonstrate that you've

3134
04:30:16,620 --> 04:30:23,159
conformed with the ordinance for
stormwater management without having

3135
04:30:20,100 --> 04:30:28,620
something more than what we see here
um again saying that a development is

3136
04:30:26,460 --> 04:30:36,060
immediately adjacent to a contiguous
growth area it's still not in it and

3137
04:30:32,699 --> 04:30:39,600
there's a road on one side between the
development area and one of those

3138
04:30:37,680 --> 04:30:43,979
continuous growth areas which is
identified as residential not commercial

3139
04:30:41,580 --> 04:30:49,080
and then another residential one that's
across the river so they're adjacent but

3140
04:30:46,020 --> 04:30:54,899
there are intervening crystals or pieces
of land in there and again the fact that

3141
04:30:52,859 --> 04:31:00,840
those pieces of land weren't identified
as anything if they were appropriate for

3142
04:30:58,319 --> 04:31:06,239
growth the city and the county at the
time would have identified them as such

3143
04:31:03,140 --> 04:31:10,260
yes plans can change but as we've heard
they have to change through the same

3144
04:31:07,920 --> 04:31:15,359
process by which they were created and
that hasn't happened so for good bad or

3145
04:31:12,960 --> 04:31:18,239
ugly we have to conform to the existing
comprehensive plan regardless

3146
04:31:18,070 --> 04:31:21,659
[Music]
um

3147
04:31:19,920 --> 04:31:25,260
the last thing I was going to say is
that yes the

3148
04:31:24,300 --> 04:31:28,920
the
um it's good to see that some of the

3149
04:31:27,120 --> 04:31:32,699
runoff issues coming off of the hill
where the that's a driveway is would be

3150
04:31:30,840 --> 04:31:36,420
addressed I see that as a positive I
just want to depend on the positive note

3151
04:31:34,560 --> 04:31:41,580
it would not be a negative memory about
everything but my main concerns have to

3152
04:31:39,060 --> 04:31:45,359
do obviously there's a lot of them but
the things that I brought up tonight and

3153
04:31:43,439 --> 04:31:49,920
that I tried to mention here are really
pertaining to whether

3154
04:31:47,939 --> 04:31:54,600
um what was said and what was provided
provided enough information and detail

3155
04:31:52,260 --> 04:31:58,800
to actually create this zoning District
in a way that meets the real

3156
04:31:56,699 --> 04:32:04,140
requirements of the zoning ordinances
thanks thank you

3157
04:32:01,140 --> 04:32:04,140
if

3158
04:32:08,159 --> 04:32:15,359
I'm not trying to speed you along but
Wendy's already addressed something

3159
04:32:13,140 --> 04:32:20,220
you don't have to duplicate it thank you
thank you

3160
04:32:17,420 --> 04:32:28,140
1477 Rocky Hill Road
rice Township coming now once again

3161
04:32:24,120 --> 04:32:34,560
we have failed to address Fourth Street
and Highway 20 and the state of Illinois

3162
04:32:31,859 --> 04:32:40,620
now investigating this the state of
Illinois puts out publication everybody

3163
04:32:37,979 --> 04:32:45,000
I'm I'm reviting their traffic they're
they're that it's their consensus were

3164
04:32:43,439 --> 04:32:49,080
trafficked they brought the traffic up
again

3165
04:32:46,080 --> 04:32:56,359
and so I'm trying to tell you that we
have not been to visit Fourth Street and

3166
04:32:54,000 --> 04:33:02,819
Highway 20 with the state of Illinois
the state of Illinois has criteria out

3167
04:32:59,760 --> 04:33:07,740
that says that that intersection in our
city should be advertised

3168
04:33:05,359 --> 04:33:12,959
advertised to the community that it's
unsafe advertised to the school district

3169
04:33:10,199 --> 04:33:18,141
and it's been unsafe I have been to the
school district and asked to get them

3170
04:33:14,879 --> 04:33:25,379
get that into their curriculum plus
taken into that intersection is the age

3171
04:33:22,039 --> 04:33:30,959
this is this is the second largest
county with 65 and older citizens and

3172
04:33:28,619 --> 04:33:37,020
that's the number two criteria in that
intersection the number one criteria in

3173
04:33:33,660 --> 04:33:42,180
that intersection is 19 and under so
that's why I went to the school to have

3174
04:33:39,299 --> 04:33:48,779
that put in their criteria so idot is
asking you to advertise about the safety

3175
04:33:45,299 --> 04:33:53,641
of that intersection and that is is in
their manual I would like to point out

3176
04:33:50,939 --> 04:33:59,459
one other thing is the safety aspect of
that intersection and the oath that the

3177
04:33:56,641 --> 04:34:05,160
board has taken in the city council and
he owed that you have taken and that the

3178
04:34:01,740 --> 04:34:09,240
city council takes has to ident address
safety

3179
04:34:06,539 --> 04:34:17,160
and the state of Illinois is telling you
safety is not an intersection that it

3180
04:34:12,660 --> 04:34:22,080
already is so under your own you have to
adjust safety that's that's your hope to

3181
04:34:20,219 --> 04:34:26,459
adjust safety and if you don't then
there are laws you just can't skip it

3182
04:34:24,420 --> 04:34:31,141
there are laws that say that you have to
address it and that's what I'm asking

3183
04:34:28,500 --> 04:34:36,180
you to address tonight the safety of
that intersection

3184
04:34:32,879 --> 04:34:41,279
it's just I I don't understand it nobody
wants to talk about it but it is

3185
04:34:38,400 --> 04:34:48,240
physically there it has a red egg
hanging on it and it's safe do not do

3186
04:34:45,119 --> 04:34:53,400
not put more traffic into it yet we're
going to make it our core we're going to

3187
04:34:50,459 --> 04:34:59,160
make it a new city of Marina Corridor
you're going to put into a Class A rated

3188
04:34:56,699 --> 04:35:04,799
interceptions that's warning you about
Satan and the last thing is about the

3189
04:35:02,100 --> 04:35:11,039
safety is people who are coming to visit
the leaner are going to make left hand

3190
04:35:07,500 --> 04:35:16,020
turns there and they don't know anything
I doubt is telling you to educate your

3191
04:35:13,619 --> 04:35:20,580
citizens about that intersection
they're telling you man that's that's

3192
04:35:18,420 --> 04:35:25,980
part of the plan that's part of the
Class A rated intersection that the city

3193
04:35:23,699 --> 04:35:32,459
get involved and educate their Community
about that intersection

3194
04:35:28,260 --> 04:35:38,340
and nobody is doing that who is going to
uh who is going to tell all these

3195
04:35:36,299 --> 04:35:42,119
visitors that are coming down that hill
with Trump making a left-hand turn wait

3196
04:35:41,279 --> 04:35:47,160
a minute
you're in a class a dangerous

3197
04:35:45,000 --> 04:35:51,959
intersection these people won't know
coming in and out of there

3198
04:35:49,080 --> 04:35:57,539
it's idat says we should discuss it in
our own Community to to make it safer

3199
04:35:54,900 --> 04:36:00,840
for us and especially at the schools and
we do have school buses going through

3200
04:35:59,459 --> 04:36:06,959
there
so I don't know why we continue not to

3201
04:36:04,379 --> 04:36:13,320
address one of the big and my important
the biggest factor of this whole

3202
04:36:09,119 --> 04:36:17,641
intersection is its Gateway Highway 20
and 4th Street

3203
04:36:14,879 --> 04:36:23,900
you just can't go there I I don't
understand it I don't understand how

3204
04:36:20,400 --> 04:36:31,141
anybody I don't even know why I'm here
I'm being perfectly serious

3205
04:36:27,359 --> 04:36:35,340
how can a board turn their back on a
state of Illinois that has federal

3206
04:36:33,420 --> 04:36:41,760
regulations in
in chapter 34 and is funded by the

3207
04:36:39,119 --> 04:36:48,299
federal government at the state level
to put that up

3208
04:36:43,619 --> 04:36:53,760
How can I how can you pass away from
your back on there it's it's it's right

3209
04:36:50,820 --> 04:36:58,080
there it's done it's over
you know we have to look into this

3210
04:36:56,100 --> 04:37:04,561
that's it
thanks for your comments okay

3211
04:37:00,619 --> 04:37:07,980
uh with that I will entertain a motion
to

3212
04:37:06,061 --> 04:37:10,879
oh Jimmy is there anything else you want
to add then Jim

3213
04:37:12,980 --> 04:37:19,199
was there any questions for him
not

3214
04:37:17,400 --> 04:37:25,199
entertain emotionally close to public
hearing

3215
04:37:21,439 --> 04:37:28,760
the second second all in favor signify
by saying aye all right

3216
04:37:31,320 --> 04:37:39,959
um you want to keep going okay maybe
five minutes we're good to go uh I want

3217
04:37:37,020 --> 04:37:45,900
to keep going all right here okay
so

3218
04:37:41,279 --> 04:37:52,141
all right uh with that uh and this is
just so everybody's clear on this

3219
04:37:47,840 --> 04:37:55,920
emotion pertain to either approving or
denying the request to amend the plan

3220
04:37:54,180 --> 04:38:02,939
your development
uh to add an additional 18.24 Acres on

3221
04:38:01,080 --> 04:38:07,379
annexation into the corporate boundaries
of the city of Atlanta

3222
04:38:04,379 --> 04:38:13,160
so that's what we're talking about
so I will entertain a motion

3223
04:38:10,141 --> 04:38:13,160
on the request

3224
04:38:14,580 --> 04:38:20,820
there's been a lot of discussion tonight
between opposition of this project but

3225
04:38:18,900 --> 04:38:24,900
this project's already been approved our
job here tonight is like you just said

3226
04:38:22,500 --> 04:38:29,420
we are have to determine whether or not
we're going to allow the annexation of

3227
04:38:27,119 --> 04:38:35,939
these additional 18 Acres
the additional in my opinion additional

3228
04:38:31,859 --> 04:38:41,219
18 acres is going to enhance or improve
some of the aspects of the original PUD

3229
04:38:38,760 --> 04:38:45,260
is going to make some of the concerns
maybe not

3230
04:38:42,840 --> 04:38:50,820
perfect to what some of the objectors
would like but in my opinion it'll make

3231
04:38:48,240 --> 04:38:55,980
it better than what the original eud was
so I'll link the motion that we give a

3232
04:38:54,420 --> 04:39:01,799
favorable record or approval
recommendation to the city council to

3233
04:38:58,680 --> 04:39:05,879
Annex the 18.24 Acres it's just a point
of correction we're not annexing it if

3234
04:39:04,320 --> 04:39:11,340
your voting is to approve what you're
here tonight is to approve a positive

3235
04:39:08,760 --> 04:39:15,480
recommendation for an amendment to the
Pud to add the 18 Acres thank you sorry

3236
04:39:14,459 --> 04:39:20,580
buddy
you know if I give the language right so

3237
04:39:17,820 --> 04:39:27,000
yes that is my um
I'll make the motion all right

3238
04:39:23,600 --> 04:39:32,340
in a second now with that I'm going to
have Mr Knack go through the criteria

3239
04:39:29,760 --> 04:39:34,879
and uh so we can discuss each one of
those

3240
04:39:33,420 --> 04:39:39,180
things
yeah Joe go ahead so what we're going to

3241
04:39:37,920 --> 04:39:44,120
do is I'm going to go through the seven
criteria that you're required to

3242
04:39:41,040 --> 04:39:48,840
consider uh in order to
make a decision on the amendment and the

3243
04:39:46,860 --> 04:39:52,740
motion and I'm going to call each person
out on each of the Seminary there's

3244
04:39:50,878 --> 04:39:56,400
actually the eight issues to be
considered and ask each of you to give

3245
04:39:54,660 --> 04:40:00,660
your opinions to each of those issues
and discussing this and giving your

3246
04:39:59,280 --> 04:40:05,040
opinion you should take into consider
the amendment also the effect on the

3247
04:40:03,180 --> 04:40:10,440
entire PUD because it's part of it I
mean this is affecting the entire PUD so

3248
04:40:07,798 --> 04:40:14,640
I think would be best that when you make
your comments that it's the 18 acres

3249
04:40:12,360 --> 04:40:19,560
plus the effect on the entire project
just for ease of sake so starting out

3250
04:40:17,700 --> 04:40:24,120
the first issue or the first issue to
consider is whether the existing text or

3251
04:40:21,240 --> 04:40:27,240
zoning designation was an error at the
time of adoption and I'm going to go

3252
04:40:25,860 --> 04:40:33,798
through these a different order on each
one I'll start with uh I'll call

3253
04:40:29,400 --> 04:40:33,798
Everybody by their last name uh lady

3254
04:40:35,218 --> 04:40:44,520
um yeah I do not believe it was a in air
the time of adoption okay dates

3255
04:40:42,060 --> 04:40:50,520
I agree I don't believe it was an error
obviously as it's been said several

3256
04:40:48,298 --> 04:40:55,260
times here tonight that these these need
to be

3257
04:40:52,560 --> 04:41:02,280
um in constant review constant change
and there's no set rules Monahan

3258
04:40:59,878 --> 04:41:08,400
I concur with my two counterparts I
believe the 18.24 acres is is correct

3259
04:41:06,180 --> 04:41:11,100
and uh belongs in with the already
approved

3260
04:41:09,660 --> 04:41:17,040
uh cancel
I feel the same the uh it says the

3261
04:41:14,580 --> 04:41:21,200
existing text or zoning designation for
the narrative type of adoption I don't

3262
04:41:18,660 --> 04:41:21,200
believe it was

3263
04:41:24,900 --> 04:41:31,798
when they adopted the zoning ordinance
second criteria whether there's been a

3264
04:41:30,780 --> 04:41:36,180
change
of character in the area or throughout

3265
04:41:34,500 --> 04:41:41,400
the city due to installation of public
facilities other zone changes New Growth

3266
04:41:39,000 --> 04:41:45,780
Trends deterioration development
transitions

3267
04:41:43,560 --> 04:41:50,760
each
um yeah I believe there has been some

3268
04:41:48,060 --> 04:41:54,360
obviously Blackjack Road hasn't changed
a lot but as it's been stated many times

3269
04:41:53,040 --> 04:41:58,920
as we used to a treatment plant
immediately to the west of the project

3270
04:41:56,240 --> 04:42:04,500
and then you know going up Highway 20
we've got new development out there on

3271
04:42:01,920 --> 04:42:09,420
the east side as well
um you know for instance like the Irish

3272
04:42:06,420 --> 04:42:14,520
Cottage the project is going up the
hotel across the road from there so

3273
04:42:11,940 --> 04:42:18,120
that's that area and leaning has also
had some tunes

3274
04:42:16,320 --> 04:42:23,458
my hand
I concur with Gates I also believe that

3275
04:42:21,060 --> 04:42:29,700
the character has changes I understand
the wastewater treatment is that less

3276
04:42:26,580 --> 04:42:35,580
than 50 because it's new so this will be
a good positive for us as you mentioned

3277
04:42:32,700 --> 04:42:39,060
there's been other changes since this
has been done so

3278
04:42:37,740 --> 04:42:44,520
I agree
again

3279
04:42:41,298 --> 04:42:49,740
there have been changes and I think
about the

3280
04:42:46,458 --> 04:42:52,650
uh what was it the old folks home that
was torn down

3281
04:42:51,958 --> 04:42:58,860
um
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3282
04:42:55,160 --> 04:43:03,480
uh which reduces the traffic obviously
my wife and I used to go out to dinner

3283
04:43:00,840 --> 04:43:05,480
there often and
um

3284
04:43:05,718 --> 04:43:14,580
so I I believe that this
that's an example of a change

3285
04:43:11,760 --> 04:43:21,240
thank you like a curve with the
colleagues and um basically of all the

3286
04:43:18,420 --> 04:43:26,340
same reasons uh welcome yeah I agree
that there has been changes

3287
04:43:23,820 --> 04:43:32,700
through public facilities and also that
they originally approved PMD has changed

3288
04:43:29,820 --> 04:43:35,638
you know a little bit uh
so

3289
04:43:33,900 --> 04:43:39,600
I concur
the third criteria is whether the

3290
04:43:37,620 --> 04:43:43,080
proposed rezoning is compatible with the
surrounding area and defining

3291
04:43:41,400 --> 04:43:45,798
characteristics of the proposed only
districts

3292
04:43:46,378 --> 04:43:53,218
or whether there may be adverse impacts
on the capacity or safety of the portion

3293
04:43:51,420 --> 04:43:57,180
of Street Network influenced by the
resulting parking problems or

3294
04:43:55,020 --> 04:44:01,500
environmental impacts that the new Zone
May generate such as incessant

3295
04:43:58,980 --> 04:44:05,100
stormwater runoff water air or noise
pollution excessive nighttime lighting

3296
04:44:03,540 --> 04:44:08,638
or other nuisances
on hand

3297
04:44:07,020 --> 04:44:15,660
so I'm going to take this one in pieces
Joe I believe from a tested storm water

3298
04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:21,660
runoff based on what Miss bransky has
stated there is the potential to resolve

3299
04:44:17,878 --> 04:44:27,660
some of that so that's a positive I also
believe uh within our area we have uh

3300
04:44:25,138 --> 04:44:33,540
dual zones such as this after speaking
with some folks so I do not believe or

3301
04:44:31,138 --> 04:44:40,798
and I have an issue here I would approve
this yes and if you're the same I I I

3302
04:44:37,760 --> 04:44:44,360
I'm certain that there are times when
there are storms or something that would

3303
04:44:42,718 --> 04:44:53,458
impact the roadway
uh I think there is always going to be a

3304
04:44:49,200 --> 04:44:57,240
problem with traffic on that road you
have to I don't know how you change it

3305
04:44:55,920 --> 04:45:01,620
but
it's not possible

3306
04:44:59,458 --> 04:45:05,940
so you accept it and try to work your
way

3307
04:45:02,580 --> 04:45:08,940
to the next level of safety is possible
uh lady

3308
04:45:07,500 --> 04:45:13,740
yeah I believe
um can agree also but with the

3309
04:45:12,900 --> 04:45:21,120
um
water runoff problem being resolved

3310
04:45:16,520 --> 04:45:26,160
that's the safety of Blackjack uh I
believe they'll have to look at you know

3311
04:45:23,340 --> 04:45:30,080
reducing speeds uh further out those
things are things that the city can deal

3312
04:45:27,840 --> 04:45:30,080
with

3313
04:45:37,440 --> 04:45:43,200
um no I I agree as well
um

3314
04:45:41,218 --> 04:45:48,120
the water runoff area is a big
improvement from the original PUD and

3315
04:45:45,840 --> 04:45:53,638
that's why I believe it's 18 acre
Edition is a big help

3316
04:45:50,878 --> 04:45:58,138
um they've spread the Cottages out
they've reduced

3317
04:45:55,320 --> 04:46:01,080
um the amount of pavement
um they've addressed a lot of concerns

3318
04:45:59,580 --> 04:46:07,138
they've reduced the amount of trees that
are going to be cut so it just

3319
04:46:03,480 --> 04:46:12,540
um it brings in this 18 Acres that we're
talking about is going to improve upon

3320
04:46:10,560 --> 04:46:17,458
the original ped that was approved on
City Coast

3321
04:46:14,660 --> 04:46:21,780
I agree that uh
the extra 18 acres does give them the

3322
04:46:19,680 --> 04:46:26,580
ability to help with some of the current
runoff that we have now

3323
04:46:23,940 --> 04:46:31,378
that's has never been addressed for 50
years

3324
04:46:27,900 --> 04:46:35,400
also environmental impact I think they
already stated the fact that they'd be

3325
04:46:33,360 --> 04:46:39,120
going through all of that when they get
their final uh

3326
04:46:37,080 --> 04:46:44,820
concept of a plan
so I think that's taken care of

3327
04:46:41,940 --> 04:46:49,440
the rest as far as noise pollution
uh I I don't know how you say that

3328
04:46:48,060 --> 04:46:53,458
there's going to be a problem with it
you know it's it's the unknown it's like

3329
04:46:51,780 --> 04:46:59,820
saying that your property value is going
down you don't know that for sure uh

3330
04:46:57,780 --> 04:47:05,340
and I've sat here long enough on this
board and listened to issues people had

3331
04:47:02,700 --> 04:47:09,718
in their neighborhoods and at the end of
the day there was no issue

3332
04:47:07,920 --> 04:47:13,798
and it's never come back to us that
there was a problem it's kind of like

3333
04:47:11,940 --> 04:47:16,620
the old warm Walmart days when I was on
the city council

3334
04:47:15,000 --> 04:47:21,540
and there was going to be the end of
Galena when Walmart come to Galena well

3335
04:47:18,360 --> 04:47:25,500
guess what Walmart came I thought I was
crazy about it Gwen is still here and

3336
04:47:23,878 --> 04:47:31,740
everything's still running
so as far as I'm concerned it uh

3337
04:47:28,980 --> 04:47:36,240
it all fits in there well
The Source criteria whether the proposal

3338
04:47:34,320 --> 04:47:39,360
is in conformance with and further in
some of the implementation of the goals

3339
04:47:38,100 --> 04:47:44,280
and policies of
copper clamp other adopted plans and

3340
04:47:42,060 --> 04:47:51,060
policies intents and requirements of
this code and other city regulations and

3341
04:47:46,740 --> 04:47:55,700
guidelines yes I think all of that is
true

3342
04:47:51,860 --> 04:47:55,700
uh I think that

3343
04:47:56,820 --> 04:48:05,218
we have a statement here by the sewing
administrator staff reviewed the

3344
04:48:03,360 --> 04:48:09,000
proposed amendment and recommends
approval as to compliance with the

3345
04:48:07,138 --> 04:48:11,660
contrary criteria
in section

3346
04:48:13,280 --> 04:48:23,160
154.920c1-7 of the city of Liana Court
ordinances

3347
04:48:18,780 --> 04:48:27,780
I rely on that and uh I probably don't
know them all I've got the book

3348
04:48:25,378 --> 04:48:35,520
but I don't read it every day
he does and so I'm going to rely on him

3349
04:48:30,980 --> 04:48:38,760
and if if there's a problem then we'll
have to deal with that

3350
04:48:37,440 --> 04:48:43,580
lady
I totally agree with the host of stated

3351
04:48:42,420 --> 04:48:50,160
um
nothing else to add engaged

3352
04:48:46,860 --> 04:48:55,200
I also agree because obviously we're
going to go back through all the various

3353
04:48:52,378 --> 04:48:58,138
phases from each each phase is going to
be approved each time that's what we

3354
04:48:56,820 --> 04:49:04,920
talked about the first time we went
through this process so if there's an

3355
04:49:00,540 --> 04:49:09,840
issue about a final plan that will be
reviewed at each phase so I don't see

3356
04:49:08,160 --> 04:49:16,440
the problem with the preliminary
clinical fine I can compare with what

3357
04:49:13,920 --> 04:49:21,840
was just stated and furthermore I'll add
that at each one of those phases it will

3358
04:49:19,378 --> 04:49:25,920
be a requirement that all permits
whether it be local federal state so on

3359
04:49:24,240 --> 04:49:29,660
and so forth they're noted
but we'll be informed at that point so I

3360
04:49:28,500 --> 04:49:34,680
agree
and I believe it does follow the

3361
04:49:31,860 --> 04:49:37,820
comprehensive plan and we all can agree
that the comprehensive plan is not

3362
04:49:36,600 --> 04:49:43,138
written in stone
you know it's kind of like a guidebook

3363
04:49:40,620 --> 04:49:47,940
to go along yes uh nothing in there
stops development on the east side of

3364
04:49:45,480 --> 04:49:52,020
Atlanta and we've talked about that when
I was on the city council sure they'd

3365
04:49:49,740 --> 04:49:58,378
like to see more to the west but nothing
prohibits development in east side of

3366
04:49:54,600 --> 04:50:04,920
glean in the comprehensive plan so I
believe that the four is a

3367
04:50:02,280 --> 04:50:09,260
that's right uh number five whether
adequate public facilities and services

3368
04:50:06,840 --> 04:50:14,340
are available or will be made available
concurrent with the projected impacts of

3369
04:50:12,240 --> 04:50:18,360
development and proposal
lady

3370
04:50:15,718 --> 04:50:23,940
yeah I believe that we have the adequate
facilities

3371
04:50:19,620 --> 04:50:28,860
um and uh will be uh
will be developed

3372
04:50:25,860 --> 04:50:35,040
in the future we have adequate now but
we'll be probably uh needed to be

3373
04:50:31,500 --> 04:50:39,480
improved a little bit with the addition
our gate

3374
04:50:37,080 --> 04:50:43,920
um yeah the obviously we've stated that
the search treatment plan has excess

3375
04:50:41,400 --> 04:50:49,620
capacity there's been some concern about
the city being able to maintain the

3376
04:50:46,440 --> 04:50:53,100
infrastructure but I think uh I was told
by our city engineer that some of the

3377
04:50:51,718 --> 04:50:59,040
infrastructure being replaced by Highway
20 was put in in the late 1800s and it's

3378
04:50:56,520 --> 04:51:04,680
still now just being replaced so I would
assume we won't have to worry about this

3379
04:51:01,620 --> 04:51:09,660
community for quite some time
run ahead and this one jelly can only

3380
04:51:07,980 --> 04:51:14,700
partially concur
I did concur with the water and sewer

3381
04:51:12,480 --> 04:51:21,420
however I have not heard enough to
convince me on the uh services for fire

3382
04:51:18,180 --> 04:51:26,780
police and other City activities that
this will not be a problem so I cannot

3383
04:51:23,760 --> 04:51:26,780
concur on five

3384
04:51:26,878 --> 04:51:38,638
uh chance yeah I I concur that uh
was pretty much what everything was said

3385
04:51:35,040 --> 04:51:42,360
I have confidence in our law enforcement
our Emergency Services

3386
04:51:40,500 --> 04:51:47,718
Etc Fire Department
uh they will

3387
04:51:44,520 --> 04:51:47,718
and have

3388
04:51:49,080 --> 04:51:57,798
added what is needed
over time I trust that that's going to

3389
04:51:55,620 --> 04:51:57,798
continue

3390
04:51:58,340 --> 04:52:06,900
yeah I believe this we do have adequate
public facilities to try to let the

3391
04:52:05,040 --> 04:52:13,260
sewing water lines in
to the standard cleaner requires

3392
04:52:09,958 --> 04:52:17,700
so that shouldn't be an issue in as far
as police and fire and EMS

3393
04:52:15,600 --> 04:52:21,240
and we've had several public hearings on
this and I'm sure if there's a problem

3394
04:52:19,260 --> 04:52:26,420
for police
Chief hateful would have been up front

3395
04:52:22,980 --> 04:52:31,320
or the fire chief or somebody from EMS
to complain at the public hearing saying

3396
04:52:29,400 --> 04:52:35,878
we do not adequately have the people or
the equipment to do this I haven't heard

3397
04:52:33,360 --> 04:52:40,798
that come out of anybody yet so to
assume that it's not going to work

3398
04:52:38,340 --> 04:52:45,180
I can't go by so I concur that it does
fall under five

3399
04:52:42,900 --> 04:52:48,600
under number six whether there is an
adequate supply of land available in the

3400
04:52:47,040 --> 04:52:52,920
subject area and the surrounding
Community to accommodate the zoning and

3401
04:52:51,060 --> 04:52:56,520
Community needs
eight

3402
04:52:54,480 --> 04:53:01,500
uh yeah I believe that that land
obviously um 18 additional anchors was

3403
04:52:59,458 --> 04:53:08,340
purchased by the developer to add to the
original 78 uh to try to address some of

3404
04:53:04,860 --> 04:53:14,520
the concerns and um there's even I'm
sure more land out there available at

3405
04:53:10,138 --> 04:53:20,218
the price that he he's cutting so uh I
believe there's plenty of Atlanta

3406
04:53:16,920 --> 04:53:25,740
uh cancel thank you
uh lady I concur

3407
04:53:22,620 --> 04:53:29,878
also talked I agree with Roger I mean I
don't think there's an issue a stat that

3408
04:53:27,600 --> 04:53:33,060
they picked up the extra 18 and a
quarter Acres

3409
04:53:31,138 --> 04:53:36,840
I mean it does address some of the
issues brought up by by these folks not

3410
04:53:35,100 --> 04:53:44,100
every issue this brought up some of
their issues and I think it's a

3411
04:53:41,340 --> 04:53:47,820
it's correct uh number seven would be
whether there's a need in the community

3412
04:53:45,480 --> 04:53:54,080
for the proposal whether there will be
benefits derived by the community or

3413
04:53:49,740 --> 04:53:54,080
area by the proposed resulting

3414
04:53:54,958 --> 04:54:01,860
home Monahan
yeah you skipped me Joe all right last

3415
04:53:59,160 --> 04:54:05,280
one yeah oh I apologize let's go back to
sex I apologize on that I actually had

3416
04:54:03,718 --> 04:54:10,320
something to say on that go back to
number six uh Mary Monahan I apologize

3417
04:54:07,680 --> 04:54:17,040
so I I agree with this when I actually
see the 18.24 Acres as being a gesture

3418
04:54:13,980 --> 04:54:21,718
of Goodwill to try to increase the
overall Green Space protect it and I

3419
04:54:19,378 --> 04:54:27,120
believe there's also plenty of land
is being paid I apologize and thank you

3420
04:54:25,138 --> 04:54:31,620
for correcting me uh my only mistake
don't worry I always will

3421
04:54:29,638 --> 04:54:34,740
um number seven whether there is a need
in the community for the proposal and

3422
04:54:33,298 --> 04:54:38,340
whether there will be benefits derived
by the community or area by the proposed

3423
04:54:37,200 --> 04:54:45,360
rezoning
money you know let me go purses

3424
04:54:42,440 --> 04:54:49,940
so I you know I think you said it very
well I I took this one to Heart I've

3425
04:54:47,638 --> 04:54:55,440
been thinking about this one a lot
when I was a kid there was a store Leo's

3426
04:54:53,160 --> 04:55:01,320
grocery store then there was stairs then
there was the dicks now the pig and it

3427
04:54:58,798 --> 04:55:06,060
was Walmart and guess what I listened to
my great-grandparents my grandparents my

3428
04:55:03,718 --> 04:55:11,760
parents and even I complained about it
but as a businessman this is called free

3429
04:55:08,638 --> 04:55:17,580
enterprise I believe this will benefit
this community I know it's hard for

3430
04:55:13,980 --> 04:55:25,080
change I very much understand that the
Goodwill I'm seeing by asking us to add

3431
04:55:21,240 --> 04:55:32,040
in these 18.24 Acres the potential jobs
it could bring it's something new

3432
04:55:29,160 --> 04:55:36,840
it will draw you know it will draw
attraction but this is going to be good

3433
04:55:34,620 --> 04:55:42,600
for the community I've seen some of the
other projects this developer has done

3434
04:55:38,878 --> 04:55:47,820
and they are very tasteful so
yeah absolutely yes I can agree with

3435
04:55:45,660 --> 04:55:51,298
that I think there is
we don't sometimes don't see a need like

3436
04:55:50,580 --> 04:55:56,760
um
I think one of the

3437
04:55:53,660 --> 04:56:01,860
individuals said something about
uh

3438
04:55:58,740 --> 04:56:08,458
50 capacity or something like that well
that's amazing and next week it might be

3439
04:56:04,798 --> 04:56:15,120
60 or next year it might be 60. and then
uh I think having that as a tax base

3440
04:56:12,420 --> 04:56:20,340
is a plus I think is always going to be
a need to grow and

3441
04:56:17,700 --> 04:56:24,600
this this is an opportunity
lady

3442
04:56:21,600 --> 04:56:32,180
yeah sure I think this is going to be a
um a real windfall for for Galena with

3443
04:56:27,298 --> 04:56:40,200
not only the economic of creating jobs
uh tax base increase I guess uh great

3444
04:56:38,040 --> 04:56:45,298
uh gate
um yeah I agree uh you know in regard to

3445
04:56:42,600 --> 04:56:51,360
the uh need for uh additional occupancy
the number of 50 is is you can make you

3446
04:56:49,378 --> 04:56:57,120
can make numbers uh however you want
that number is based on the number of

3447
04:56:53,878 --> 04:57:02,458
nights over 365 days we're a tourist out
we're a Thursday Friday Saturday as an

3448
04:56:59,878 --> 04:57:08,280
owner of an Airbnb hearing doing that I
can assure you by Airbnb has been rented

3449
04:57:05,520 --> 04:57:14,520
every weekend from the first of March
through the third weekend in December

3450
04:57:10,320 --> 04:57:19,138
and so that tells me that there's a need
um so am I am I worried about it as a

3451
04:57:17,040 --> 04:57:23,218
business owner no it's I've got a
different price on my properties on mean

3452
04:57:21,180 --> 04:57:27,600
start off just off Main Street these
people are coming out here to enjoy

3453
04:57:24,780 --> 04:57:31,378
nature I think if we if we're going to
take business away from somebody it's

3454
04:57:29,458 --> 04:57:35,400
not going to be from the hotels
or the airbnbs or the bed and breakfast

3455
04:57:33,480 --> 04:57:38,340
I think we're going to maybe get some of
the people that have been staying in the

3456
04:57:36,600 --> 04:57:41,940
territory that want to be close to
Galena they want to have dinner they

3457
04:57:40,560 --> 04:57:45,180
want to have a few drinks and they don't
want to have to drive six miles to get

3458
04:57:43,500 --> 04:57:49,878
back to their house this is going to be
their opportunity so I I think this is a

3459
04:57:48,000 --> 04:57:57,120
good thing
I think the proposal Amendment does

3460
04:57:53,420 --> 04:58:01,680
benefit the neighborhood because of that
in the extra 18 Acres had picked up a

3461
04:57:59,760 --> 04:58:05,040
better drive this is away from where
they originally wanted to put it in a

3462
04:58:03,060 --> 04:58:08,638
little safer
um as far as the benefits the overall

3463
04:58:07,260 --> 04:58:13,440
project
we don't know how much tax dollars it's

3464
04:58:10,440 --> 04:58:18,840
going to bring yes uh based on the
property and what the land's worth but I

3465
04:58:16,260 --> 04:58:23,580
still I think it's like everything else
everything that's happened in this town

3466
04:58:20,520 --> 04:58:27,600
in 61 years that I can talk about has
been a benefit to this time

3467
04:58:25,440 --> 04:58:33,780
and thank God we're still going and
we'll be here 61 years at Ground dead so

3468
04:58:30,420 --> 04:58:36,600
or maybe even more but we're always
worried about what's going to happen in

3469
04:58:35,218 --> 04:58:40,920
our backyard
and over 13 years

3470
04:58:38,878 --> 04:58:45,240
nothing bad's come back in front of us
that we've agreed on

3471
04:58:43,500 --> 04:58:49,980
there's still a few people in town don't
speak to me but I got all this so that's

3472
04:58:48,120 --> 04:58:53,638
all I got okay those are the seven
required criteria the last thing and

3473
04:58:52,138 --> 04:58:56,638
I'll turn it back over to John I think
then you guys will discuss it

3474
04:58:54,958 --> 04:59:01,620
accordingly but the last thing I think
everybody needs to come uh comment on is

3475
04:58:58,798 --> 04:59:06,060
taking into consideration the proposed
project as a whole hearing what you

3476
04:59:04,680 --> 04:59:09,120
heard on both sides of the equation
tonight

3477
04:59:06,958 --> 04:59:13,560
do you feel the projects that the
benefits of the project benefit your

3478
04:59:11,218 --> 04:59:17,400
community greater than the negatives or
do you feel that the negatives outweigh

3479
04:59:15,600 --> 04:59:22,580
the positives and I'll just go right
around cancel them yeah I think it's

3480
04:59:19,320 --> 04:59:27,060
more positive than negative it just
there's going to be some time but over

3481
04:59:25,798 --> 04:59:33,840
time
we'll we'll see the benefit of this

3482
04:59:30,540 --> 04:59:37,620
uh games um I I agree I I grew up on a
farm that was three miles from applicant

3483
04:59:35,820 --> 04:59:41,458
Lake and as a small town but I remember
my parents thinking that the Earth was

3484
04:59:40,138 --> 04:59:46,138
going to come to an end because they
were building applicants Lake in our

3485
04:59:43,020 --> 04:59:51,120
backyard and uh the Earth didn't come to
an end and their Farm is still there

3486
04:59:47,700 --> 04:59:54,500
intact and it's thriving so
um you know I know there's people that

3487
04:59:52,980 --> 05:00:00,060
are upset that it's in their backyard
but this happens in a lot of places I

3488
04:59:58,440 --> 05:00:04,560
don't think people downstate Illinois
they're getting wind farms built in

3489
05:00:02,040 --> 05:00:08,820
their backyard but sometimes we have to
go ahead and have a little progress to

3490
05:00:06,958 --> 05:00:12,420
keep things viable and the tourism
coming to green and they don't want the

3491
05:00:10,620 --> 05:00:16,798
same experience year after year after
year they're looking for

3492
05:00:13,980 --> 05:00:19,920
a new restaurant a new place to go a new
place to stay there's got to be

3493
05:00:18,480 --> 05:00:22,820
something new and different or otherwise
they're doing no someone else

3494
05:00:22,980 --> 05:00:31,020
I concur I believe the positives most
definitely outweigh the negatives in

3495
05:00:27,958 --> 05:00:34,920
this case uh there's a few factors uh
one I'm very much a historic-minded

3496
05:00:33,000 --> 05:00:40,400
individual which is what brought me back
home here the fact that the uh

3497
05:00:37,560 --> 05:00:46,080
developing company is willing to restore
the landmark building the you know

3498
05:00:44,580 --> 05:00:50,580
Marine hospital I think that's
phenomenal and that the public can use

3499
05:00:48,060 --> 05:00:55,740
that the fact that they are willing to
purchase extra space have more green

3500
05:00:52,560 --> 05:01:02,580
space have Vineyards have prairies help
with runoff and it will generate revenue

3501
05:00:59,100 --> 05:01:06,900
for this city as you stayed at gates in
order to continue to grow as a tourist

3502
05:01:04,680 --> 05:01:12,718
area we have to continue to do new
things the same thing and not changing

3503
05:01:09,840 --> 05:01:17,458
will not work we need to prosper so
positives outweigh the negatives thank

3504
05:01:14,820 --> 05:01:21,780
you yeah I believe the positive it's
always also

3505
05:01:19,680 --> 05:01:24,660
um this is the place to bring it up but
I do think that we do need to do with

3506
05:01:23,878 --> 05:01:29,820
traffic
count somewhere I'm sure that'll be one

3507
05:01:27,060 --> 05:01:34,260
of the phases but I think that needs to
be addressed

3508
05:01:31,080 --> 05:01:38,878
I think the overall benefit to the
community is there

3509
05:01:36,420 --> 05:01:43,320
I get the neighbors they're concerned
about a stop and that's

3510
05:01:40,620 --> 05:01:47,458
the venue to bring it up here uh we're
not always going to agree but

3511
05:01:45,060 --> 05:01:52,440
these guys said the same thing it's
don't change and you can reduce offer

3512
05:01:50,160 --> 05:01:56,638
more things when they come here
just like that new Museum they're going

3513
05:01:54,420 --> 05:01:59,820
to build you know over and off of
Bethany Street well that's going to draw

3514
05:01:58,138 --> 05:02:02,580
more traffic that's going to draw more
people but I don't hear anybody

3515
05:02:00,900 --> 05:02:06,298
complaining about that
and it's a good thing I'm glad they're

3516
05:02:04,320 --> 05:02:09,240
going to do this Museum but those are
things you have to do to bring more

3517
05:02:07,560 --> 05:02:12,780
people to Clinic because
to be honest it's the only thing we have

3518
05:02:10,860 --> 05:02:17,638
and somebody made mention of it that I
made that comment well I'd like to see

3519
05:02:15,240 --> 05:02:21,180
some Warehouse try to build outside of
town

3520
05:02:18,600 --> 05:02:24,480
uh with 50 trucks a day coming in and
out of Galena

3521
05:02:22,500 --> 05:02:28,020
they'd be down here filling this room up
shooting that down too

3522
05:02:25,920 --> 05:02:31,920
because they wouldn't want that kind of
business here tourism is what people

3523
05:02:30,298 --> 05:02:36,420
want and when they've wanted it for 50
years so

3524
05:02:33,840 --> 05:02:39,780
no big businesses John Deere isn't
coming here and Ford Motor Company isn't

3525
05:02:37,980 --> 05:02:42,958
going to glean it they tried years ago
and couldn't get in

3526
05:02:41,400 --> 05:02:46,200
this is the only business we're going to
get as tourists

3527
05:02:44,400 --> 05:02:53,040
and that's what brought a lot of people
here that now live here who call this

3528
05:02:48,660 --> 05:02:56,820
home so I think it's a benefit and I
will vote Yes

3529
05:02:54,360 --> 05:03:00,420
real quick it just it's like being on
the on the traffic on the corner there

3530
05:02:58,740 --> 05:03:04,980
of the fourth and 28th I think the
appropriate action to take is to work

3531
05:03:02,458 --> 05:03:09,660
with the city council the local police
department and idot and to come up with

3532
05:03:07,260 --> 05:03:15,120
some Solutions on how to either slow
people down maybe make no left turn off

3533
05:03:13,080 --> 05:03:20,040
of fourth I I don't know what they are
I'm not a traffic engineer but I think

3534
05:03:17,280 --> 05:03:24,540
working with all the parties involved
there may be some solutions that that we

3535
05:03:22,620 --> 05:03:30,600
as a zoning board have no control over
that's not our job but I think there

3536
05:03:27,120 --> 05:03:33,240
could be the public wants to try to talk
to the city council the police

3537
05:03:31,860 --> 05:03:36,298
department and idot and try to get
everybody together and try to come up

3538
05:03:35,040 --> 05:03:40,280
with some better solutions for that
intersection and I think that'd be a

3539
05:03:37,980 --> 05:03:46,440
good idea
okay so we have a motion to or send a

3540
05:03:44,218 --> 05:03:49,200
positive finding to the city council in
a second

3541
05:03:47,340 --> 05:03:51,560
so I would ask that you call the roll
please

3542
05:03:53,718 --> 05:04:05,940
yes
okay and then yes ready yes yes

3543
05:04:03,120 --> 05:04:12,840
Okay so
that brings up uh public comment

3544
05:04:10,520 --> 05:04:16,280
seeing him back does he want to come
back oh yeah

3545
05:04:18,820 --> 05:04:22,029
[Music]

3546
05:04:22,440 --> 05:04:27,900
yeah
this would be on what we've already

3547
05:04:26,100 --> 05:04:31,138
discussed or something different
well and somebody's kind of doing

3548
05:04:29,280 --> 05:04:36,298
something different but
but if he wants to speak on it yeah if I

3549
05:04:33,958 --> 05:04:38,360
didn't know sometimes it's
um

3550
05:04:46,860 --> 05:04:55,020
and you will not comment
you have refused so therefore violated

3551
05:04:52,740 --> 05:05:04,020
your duties under safety
and that's all I can say you know you

3552
05:04:58,320 --> 05:05:10,980
you admitted no fiance that's it
and I don't I not even a word on that

3553
05:05:08,040 --> 05:05:14,458
you won't even speak about I would he he
spoke about

3554
05:05:12,120 --> 05:05:18,600
I that will tell you and they've told me
and they'll and they've told us there is

3555
05:05:16,740 --> 05:05:22,440
nothing to do when they kids wanted a
reception for God's sakes it would have

3556
05:05:20,458 --> 05:05:29,218
been done
so refuse to uh abide by the state of

3557
05:05:27,000 --> 05:05:34,138
Illinois that's your decision
thank you thank you yep thank you you

3558
05:05:31,680 --> 05:05:37,218
have a nice night okay I understand
emotional Journey

3559
05:05:37,760 --> 05:05:44,940
I'll make a motion to adjourn a second
I'll second I'm tired all those papers

3560
05:05:42,900 --> 05:05:50,580
say the Bible saying aye
aye those opposed to me yeah

3561
05:05:47,520 --> 05:05:53,580
Steve made the first and you may decide
yeah