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All right, good afternoon and welcome to the city of galveston planning commission meeting.

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we're going to call the meeting to order. We have a quorum and have taken attendance. Are there any

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conflicts of interest? Seeing none. We have the motion to approve the march 3rd

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minutes. Are there any comments, additions, or corrections to that? Seeing

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none, we'll approve those as presented. We are going to move item... 7a, which is

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in our old business, which is the plan unit development. We're gonna move

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that to the end of our agenda. And what we're gonna do is we're gonna open up

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the public hearings. But what we're gonna do is we're gonna have. We have one, two, three,

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four, four items on our public hearings. And

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what we're gonna do is we're gonna have staffs gonna open up

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all of those, and we're just gonna have one public hearing. So when we start the public hearings,

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if you have a comment on any one of those four items, you'd come forward. So take it

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away, catherine. Oh, kyle.

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kyle, we're ready for the first one. Yes, ma'am. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. If you

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don't mind, if you would, please silence your cell phones. And, you know,

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I'm available for pictures and autographs afterwards. All

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right. Oh, yes. Hold on just a second. Also, if you

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are here, or if somebody walks in, we do have seating in the room next door. What is

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that, 104? 204. 204. So if somebody comes in and is looking for a spot,

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it's like we still have some spots. We have plenty of room for people. All right, kyle.

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this is a public hearing for dune mitigation associated with the construction of a new dune walkover.

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mitigation is required for unavoidable impacts to the dunes and dune vegetation that

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will occur during the new dune walkover construction. The address is 23305 fm 3005. The

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property is legally described as abstract. 121 holland jones survey, lot 1, bay

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harbor subdivision, harbor, addition no. 3, bay harbor subdivision,

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in the city and county of galveston, texas. Vacant property and single-family

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residents are located to the east and west of the subject property. Fm 3005 is located north

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of the subject property, and a beach and dune system is located to the south

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of the subject property. According to the bureau of economic geology, this area is stable. Staff has prepared

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photos of the subject property for your viewing. First, we have a farm and beg map showing

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the distance of the structure from the dune system and its positions relative

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to adjacent properties. On the next slide is the property survey. The next slide is the

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site plan showing the proposed dune walkover. On the following two slides, we

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have the project plans and mitigation map for the proposed dune walkover.

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the next three slides are photos of the proposed project layout and mitigation area.

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photos to the north, there's photos of the line of vegetation where the dune

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walkover will be ending. The

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photo on the right, the black square, is where the mitigation will occur. That concludes the

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staff report for this project. Thank you for your time. The next case is

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case 26bf-004. This is another

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dune mitigation associated with removal of an existing dune walkover and the

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construction of a new dune walkover. Mitigation is required for the unavoidable impacts

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to the dunes, and dune mitigation will occur during the new dune walkover construction. The address is

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24023 fm 3005. The property is

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legally described as abstract. 121 hall and jones survey, lot

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05, half moon subdivision, replat, in the city and county

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of galveston, texas. Bacon properties and single family residence are located

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to the east and west of the subject property. Fm 3005 is located north of the subject property, and

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the beach and dune system is located to the south of the subject property.

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according to the bureau of economic geology, this area is stable. Staff has prepared

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photos of the subject property for your viewing. First, we have the firm and bg map

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showing the distance of the structure from the dune system and its positions relative

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to adjacent properties. On the next slide is the property

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survey. The next slide is the property survey, containing

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information regarding the project and mitigation. The

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next slide is the site plan showing the proposed dune walkover. The next six slides

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are photos of the proposed project area and layout. All

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right, this concludes staff report and thank you for your time. The next case is

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case 26bf-011. This is a public

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hearing for erosion response structures at the terminus of three

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streets and pirates beach. Concrete canvas will be installed at the beach terminus of the

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streets and will be covered by sand. The purpose of installing the concrete canvas is to provide protection

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to the streets from erosion due to high tide and storm events.

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conducting a public hearing for erosion response structures is a requirement of the texas administrative code, section

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26.26. The streets where the proposed concrete canvas will be placed are at the ends of

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fiddler crab lane, ghost crab lane, and sand crab lane.

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single-family homes are located to the north, east, and west of the subject locations,

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and the beach is located to the south of the subject locations. No dunes are present at any

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of the subject locations. According to the bureau of economic geology, this area is

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eroding at a rate of 5 feet per year. Staff has prepared photos

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of the subject property projects for your viewing. First, we have two furman bg

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maps showing the distance of the locations from the beach and their position relative

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to adjacent properties. On the

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next slide is a representative photograph of the concrete canvas that is proposed for the erosion. Response

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structure. This material is stuff that you can roll out.

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it has like quick creep material in it. You can weight it down and it will harden up.

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it's not reinforced or anything like that. A lot of places use it to line channels for stormwater

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conveyance and things like that. This is just a representative photo

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of what it is.

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on the following three slides, we have the project plans and photographs for fidget...

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fiddler crab lane. The material

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will be put down and then it'll be covered in sand and bottles will be put on top of it,

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so it'll be buried under sand. It'll be tied into the existing road to help

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any erosion that occurs. Next

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slide karina. This is just

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photos at the terminus of fiddler crab lane.

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on the next three slides, we have project plans and photographs for ghost crab

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lane. Finally, we have three

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slides of the project plans and photographs for sand crab lane. This concludes staff

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report. And thank you for your time. All right.

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yes, ma'am. So what we're going to do is if you have any questions on any of these three cases. Yes,

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ma'am. So you said that's a concrete thing that gets rolled

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up? It has like quick creep type of material in it. When it gets wet, it'll harden up,

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but it comes on a roll and you roll it out. And but once it, yeah, I guess

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it'll form concrete. Like I said, a lot of places use it to line the channels. It's not

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sturdy enough to drive vehicles over or anything like that,

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but we're just trying to do, you know, something at some

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of the end of these streets that keep getting impacted from high-tide events to try

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to kind of reduce impacts to the streets. Glo's okay

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with that? That's why we're having this public hearing. So we're going through 2626. All

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the requirements, and one of the requirements is the public hearing, so we're having the public hearing

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before we submit anything to glo, so we can say this requirement.

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under 2626, we had a public hearing and we received five

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public comments, zero public comments or whatever. So that's why we're doing this before we

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submit anything up so we can address everything that's in 2626. Well, that's, I want

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to say. It's exciting if they will allow this, because it seems like it opens a lot

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of opportunity for high erosion areas on the way. Yeah, there's more, there's other things that we're

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going through before we even send it up there to them to make sure we're addressing everything. Kyle, do

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you have any examples currently on the island of this type of,

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so this is new ground for us? Yes, sir. Okay. And then we'll be covered by sand. We've got

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it covered by sand and bollards. It's just if we have erosion

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in these areas from we don't anticipate it to stop a category 5 hurricane.

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but if we get a high tide event, that will, have you seen

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examples of it used in texas? I mean, we met

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with the representative, and he showed us, like I said, some areas where people are using it to line

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drainage channels and stuff like that, to convey water and things like that. And like I said, two

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or three guys can put the material out, and like I said, you water it,

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and it'll burn up. It's not sturdy enough to drive on or anything, but it's hopefully helped protect some

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of the city's infrastructure. All right. Yes, please, sean.

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26bf004, the description of work mentioned the use

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of heavy equipment. Do you permit that now? Well, some

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people do, like many excavators and things like that. So we do have

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construction corridors, and they have to mitigate for those. So we,

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in our mitigation plans, we do have written in there that if they you do the work

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and we come back in six months and we see damage that was caused by that, then there's

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additional mitigation that they're required to do. Okay. Is that a policy change that's

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taken place in the last couple of years? Because five years ago, we were told that we could

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not have equipment that had to be dug by hand. All I can do

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is answer for me. I don't know what the policy was before I got here,

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but there are some of these longer-due walkovers. Putting more sturdy posts in,

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you have to have the equipment. Like I said, we put special conditions in there and we identify

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construction corridors and we go out there and inspect. To make sure that they haven't

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impacted any more than what they were supposed to, and contingency

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for mitigation if they did. Okay, thanks. All right, anybody else? All right, then

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we'll open the public hearing. If you are here and you'd like to speak on any

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of these three items, now is your chance to do so. Anybody like to speak

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on these? Going once? Twice? Alright. Sure, come up here,

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sign in, tell us your name. You've got three minutes.

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okay, kevin mcduff, 4226. Oh,

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you don't want me anywhere near you. There we go. 4226

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fiddler's crab there. You know, we've taken some hits. I'm all

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for putting anything out. Now, the question I have is,

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if you can get this approved, can the homeowners also utilize

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this product and cover it with sand? So it's a public hearing. We'd love

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to answer your questions. Kyle is available to answer those, and I would tell you, call him.

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I'm sure he'll take your call, but during the public hearing, he can't. He can't say a word? No, sir. We don't let him talk that much, anyway. Oh, man.

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well, that's all I want. That's a good question, and we hope that that's... I'm all for

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securing everything because I've had a battle with the glo on just getting my driveway

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where I could drive on it. So that's all I wanted to know. Thanks. All right. Thank you,

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sir. And please give kyle a call. He's available to help you. I'm going to do it. Him and hunter, both. They do a great job. They do a

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great job. All right. Anybody else? All right. Then we will close the public hearing

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on those items. There's no action by commission on those. And we'll move on

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to our item 6b, 26p-014. All

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right. 26p-014. This is a 24050 fm 3005. This is a

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request for a minor plat of one very large parcel into three smaller,

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but still quite large parcels. There are 25 public notices sent. There were no city

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department objections, private utility objections. So

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this is a vacant property. The applicant is proposing to split it into three per

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local government code chapter 212.015. This requires a public hearing. For minor plats,

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because it does increase the number of lots in a residential zoning district. Please note

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the zoning and land use in the staff report and the zoning or

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other minimum requirements for new lots in r1 zoning, which is 5,000 square foot

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of area, 50 foot width, 100 foot of depth, and all three of these lots greatly exceed those

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requirements. There are no objections, once again, from outside utilities or city

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departments. Centerpoint energy did make a comment on aerial easement dedication language, which will be passed

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on to the applicant for action. Case 26p-014 will be approved

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with specific conditions 1 through 2 and standard conditions 3 through 4. Here we

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have some photos. We have the proposed replat overlaid on the aerial maps on the left

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and a vicinity map showing where it's generally at. On the right, next slide,

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please. And here we have the subject property. I believe

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that's looking north from 3005. The properties to the east across 3005

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to the south. The properties to the west. And this concludes staff's report. All right.

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thank you, daniel. Any questions for staff on this one? Seeing none, we'll open the public hearing.

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does anybody here like to speak on this item? Seeing

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none, we'll close the public hearing. There's no action by commission on this. Again,

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the next item is 7a, which is our old business. We're going to move that

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to the bottom of the agenda, and we're going to go to 8a26p-013. All right, 26p-013. This is adjacent to

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2201 avenue l, 2202 avenue m,

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and 2210 avenue m rear. This is a request for an alley abandonment. There were 16 public notices

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sent. None of those were returned. There

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were some... City department, uh... Comments that were

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returned. We will get to those shortly. Uh... The applicant is requesting the

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abandonment of approximately two thousand four and twenty eight square foot of right of way. Uh... This is alley,

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once again west of twenty second street, roughly aligned with the center of the gulf

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breeze apartments, so that would be directly to the east. Uh... And this is associated

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with proposed redevelopment of the adjacent tracks, which are all owned by the same owner. Uh...

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please note the zoning and land use of the subject. Uh... Well area and adjacent. Staff finds

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that the abandonment will not have an adverse impact on transportation,

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while it will result in an east-west alley being interrupted. All properties

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adjacent to the abandonment and along the remainder of the alley to the west will

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still retain alley access and or direct access to main streets. There are

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water and sewer lines in the area of the request. Engineering division notes these will require relocation

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at the developers expense. And that may require protective easements as well, depending on

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what the proposed development looks like. This will be reviewed, of course, during the

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platte and permit phases as well. The applicant shall also coordinate

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with all outside utilities in order to relocate any of their infrastructure.

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center point reviewed the abandonment request and verified that they do require street alley abandonment

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application to relocate their infrastructure. And this is included as a condition

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of approval for the abandonment. Please note also the area in question

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does not meet minimum dimensions for new parcels and commercial zoning. Because

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of this, and because the proposed development will cross existing property lines,

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a replant will be required after this, if it's approved.

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please note the criteria for permanent street closures in the staff report. Staff

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finds request generally conforms to the above stated criteria. Closing the east portion

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of the alley only adjacent to the applicant's properties will not impact any properties not

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involved in the pros of redevelopment, which would be to the west.

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and redevelopment will, by necessity, require utility relocations in close coordination with city

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departments and outside utilities. Once again, that will be at the applicant's expense.

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they will work with engineering to coordinate that when the time comes. City council has the final

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decision regarding a request for abandonment, and council will hear this request on

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april 23rd, 2026. Staff recommends approval of the request

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with specific conditions 1 through 2, which once again

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does include the relocation of utilities as needed, plus standard conditions 3

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through 7. And we have some photos. So here is the proposed

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alley abandonment. And once again, the properties to the north and south are all owned

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by the same individual. Who wants to develop that all as one piece. Next slide,

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please. Here we have the proposed survey of the alley, showing what that area really

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looks like. Next slide, please. And here we have the

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property to the north, looking from the proposed abandonment area to the east. Looking

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from the edge of the abandonment, back to the east, toward the gulf,

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breeze apartments, the property to the south of the abandonment area, and then once again looking west,

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along that same tract of alley,

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and you can see there on that lower right photo, we've marked the approximately

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point at which that abandonment would terminate. And this concludes staff's report. All

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right. Thank you, daniel. Any questions for staff? You want

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one? Go ahead, please. So, this

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is one of those alley abandonments where, you know, we're looking at like half the alley. There are other alleys like that

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around town, are there? That have abandoned like half of it or so? I'm sure that there are.

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I could not name you any ones specifically, but I would be amazed if this were the first

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one of its kind. I'm just thinking about walking around town. I think there are.

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thank you. Alright. Anthony?

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do you have any idea how they're going to terminate the... Alley there, on the west end,

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on the west side of it, because there's a residence there, in the center of the block. And then it goes

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on to commercial properties to the west. So they're going to have access alley access

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from 23rd street. Yes. So

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they're only requesting to abandon kind of the portion of the alley which be

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on the east side of the block, closest to gulf breeze. And that roughly aligns with the

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with the applicants properties. That's why it makes that odd sort of a zigzag there. And

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everything from that point to the west, which I believe would be 23rd street, that will

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remain open. The the

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applicants representative is here to answer questions. We did have a pre development and it did indicate that. Yeah,

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they're going to need a lot of this space. All right,

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thank you. All right, any other questions for staff? All right,

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the applicant present, mr. Hill. May I? Certainly. Thank

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you. Like the tie. Wife picked that out for you? Absolutely. Without a doubt. Commissioner

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wallach, commissioners, thank y'all for being here today. I'm mark hill, 2116 church

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street, galveston, texas. I'm here representing the bryan museum, bryan educational

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institute, as it's known. The bryan is a fantastic addition to galveston, texas. We're so

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pleased it's here. It has become an owner. Of all the

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adjacent and it bought from, I found this interesting, most

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reverend daniel cardinal dinardo in the summer of 74, the only catholic cardinal

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from the state of texas and the only one that has sat in two conclaves from the

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united states of america. But we bought it from him in order to expand the

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educational institute in this particular area. We own it on both sides. We, being the

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bryan museum, own it on both sides. And I noticed that the information... That

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came from the city recommends. I've checked it over. I'm in agreement

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with the commission, the, pardon me, the staff that recommends. And the last thing I'd like

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to say, and I'll stand ready for questions, is that I'm so glad

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to have this today. Because our representative from the museum, ms. Rebecca diaz-aristia, ms. Diaz, today

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is her last day she can come to galveston because she can't drive after tomorrow. She's due april 27th. Congratulations.

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and she's here with us today. So we'll have somebody else with us when we go to council. I stand ready

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for questions. Any questions for the applicant? Yes, sir.

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so, kind of echoing michael's question, you know, how are you all planning on capping that off? Is it just

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going to be the exterior wall of a building? Are you going to have a fence there, or how is that going to work? I

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haven't seen it. I would imagine it would be the end of the building, but I have not seen the architectural drawing.

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yes, ma'am. I think we had

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lined it up so it would go right to the end. Okay. Thank

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you. Yes, sir. Any other questions for the applicant? All right. Thank you, mr.

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hill. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you, commissioner. It's good to see you, commissioner

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wallace. All right. Any other? So we're going to open the public hearing on this. Is there anybody here who would like to speak

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on this item? Seeing none, we will. Oh, yes, ma'am. I'm

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sorry. I didn't see you. Sign

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in for us, please. That's okay.

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my name is sue stewart. I live at 2214 avenue, m. And myself and the neighbors that are

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being involved with this, we are very happy that bryan is doing what they're doing. However, we do have some

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concerns that we'd like to address. To start

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off with, if you'll look at the map, it'll show my lot right there.

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where the division is going

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across the alley, my garage is

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right there. I would not be able to get out of my garage if they do it like that,

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but if they go just straight across up there at the top one, then it would

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not be a problem. I mean, I've lived there for over 25 years. I would like to be able

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to use my garage. Secondly, we

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are concerned with that map because we feel, and we have experienced it

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before, there's going to be a problem with homeless staying

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in that one little area, that instead of being straight across, it's just turning,

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and we think that's going to be a very big problem right there, that we would like to stop it

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before it starts. And thirdly... We were concerned

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about trash pickup, but I've talked to the city. The city's not even aware

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of what's going on here as far as what they can do about trash pickup, so there's

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really nothing we can talk about about that at this point. So that's

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mainly. Mainly, we'd like to get that go straight across instead

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of angled the way it is. To make it where we don't have a problem with people trying to

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stay there and making it their home. And I don't have a problem getting out of my garage. All right. Thank

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you, ma'am. I understand. So I'm going to, I rarely do this, but I'm going

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to make a suggestion to you. Mr. Hill's here. I'd suggest

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you talk to him. You still have this still-goes-to-city council, but I'd be on the bet

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that those folks would probably maybe can help you out. I can't

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tell you that they will. I can't speak for them. But the best thing I can tell you is,

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is when neighbors get along and get things resolved, that's the best way to do it.

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so that's my suggestion. So I appreciate you coming. All right. Anybody else

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on this item? All right. Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing and we'll bring

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this back to commission for action. 26p-03

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with staff recommendation. So we have a motion and a second to approve 26p-013

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with staff recommendations. Is there any discussion? Seeing

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none, we'll take the vote. Those in favor? And that's unanimous. All right, moving on. Landmark 26p-012.

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thank you, mr. Hill. I think I'm next. I think the next one's 26bf008. You give me one

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more time. What did I do? Did I go the wrong way? You skipped one. Yeah. Oh. There's a

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beachfront next. I'm trying to get to the end. All right. 26bf-008. I don't want kyle

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to miss out on any fun here. Yes, sir. Thank you. Good afternoon, planning

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commissioners. Thank you for your time. This is an after-the-fact request for stair construction on a new

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single-family residence. The address is 11395 beachside

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drive. The property is legally described as beachside village. Section 4, 2016,

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abstract 121, lot 430, acre

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0.3488, located in the city and county of galveston, texas. The subject

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site is located in the beachside subdivision. Single-family dwellings are located to the north, east,

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and west of the subject property. A beach and dune system are located to the south

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of the subject property. According to the bureau of economic geology, this area is eroding at a rate of 7 to 8

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feet per year. Staff has prepared photos of the subject property

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for your viewing. First, we have a firm and beg map showing the distance of the structure

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from the dune system and its position relative to adjacent properties. On the

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next slide is a property survey showing that the proposed

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stairs are 26.9 from the north toe of the dune.

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on the following seven slides, we have proposed project drawings, as well as a summarized scope

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of work. Different views

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of the stairs on the home.

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finally, we have four photos of the stairs and one photo

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from the line of vegetation. This concludes staff report, and thank you for your time.

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all right. Thank you, kyle. Any questions for staff? I have one. So this

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is, they wanted to come, this appears, they wanted to add some stairs, kind of

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after the fact. Well, so yeah, we were out, we've been trying to do more compliance

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inspections, and so we've noticed. These stairs were not on the original plans,

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so we informed them, and they, yeah, they wanted to receive

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after the fact authorization for the stairs. But it's out of the dca? Yes, sir. Okay,

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perfect. 26, yes, sir. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? All right, seeing

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none, we'll open the public hearing. Is the applicant present?

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alright, would anybody like to speak on this item? Then

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we'll close the public hearing and bring this back to commission for action. And I

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will make the motion that we approve 26bf-008 as presented

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by staff. Second. So we have a motion and a second to approve. Is there any

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discussion? Seeing none, we'll take the vote. Those in favor? And that's unanimous.

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now it's landmark's turn, 26p-012. This is 1813 24th

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street. It's a request for designation as a galveston landmark. 25 notices were sent, 0 returned. This is

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the james and... James walter and agnes may. Zempter house is a rare example

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of a house that has remained in the same family that built it four generations ago. James

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walter zempter, a skilled craftsman and contractor, arrived in galveston in 1900

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to participate in the rebuilding efforts. By 1903, it established a contracting partnership and

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later founded its own firm, which operated for over four decades. During this time, zempter

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contributed significantly to the reconstruction and expansion of galveston's built environment, thank you.

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including the construction of public schools, infrastructure improvements, and commercial and

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institutional buildings. His work included projects associated with the seawall system, education facilities,

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and municipal infrastructure essential to the city's recovery and growth. The

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landmark commission reviewed this request at their meeting yesterday and voted to recommend approval. City

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council has the final decision regarding requests for a landmark designation,

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and the request will be heard at the regular meeting of april 23rd. Staff is recommending approval. And we

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have a picture of the subject property on the screen. That concludes staff's report. All right. Any

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questions for staff? Seeing none, is the applicant present? Why

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don't you come tell us a little bit about your project? Sign in. Give us your name. You got

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a credit card? You can leave that there. Hi. I'm julie

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baker. I am. I'm a member of silk stocking historic

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district and galveston county historical commission, and I'm assisting the homeowner in applying for a registered

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texas historic landmark as well. And I think this is a very worthy project for

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galveston recognition, and I'm just here to support lynn in her application. This

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guy was the original storm chaser. Well... I'm lynn eanes

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and my husband sitting back there because he's petrified to talk. The jim zempter, who

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is my husband's great-grandfather, came to galveston after the 1900 storm. Because there was work

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to be found here. And he was looking not only for a job, but a place to settle and

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to grow a family. And he was a stair maker by trade,

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so there was a much work to be had. And as he lived

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here, he started to grow his business, forming a partnership in 1903, which stayed until

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1910, which at that point, he formed his own business.

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and while he was growing his business, he became a prolific builder throughout galveston,

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which is well documented and what we provided to you, much

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of it comes from the rosenberg library, but a lot of it came out of our family scrapbooks.

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because john's family has owned this home for 120 years, and we are the fourth

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generation to care for it. And the house itself remains largely as it was as it was

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built, with the exception of a 1928 renovation. Where the

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upstairs porch was taken in and the front door was moved from the right side

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to the center of the home. That was done by mr. Zempter. And up until last year,

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when we did a major renovation inside the house, I could always tell people.

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that every board and every nail that was put into this home was either put

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in by my husband's great-grandfather or by my husband. So we have continued to try

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to be a good steward of this very unique property within one family, and the

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family has a unique history in and of itself. Not only mr. Zempter, who was building

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in galveston for over fifty years, he also was very civically minded. He was

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an odd fellow for 50 years and a rotarian for 50 years and was honored for such. And he built

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schools, he built low-income housing, he built roads,

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he built part of the seawall. And his name is on the 61st

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street commemorative marker honoring those who built the seawall. He helped to build

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murdoch's bathhouse. He also built many private homes. Much

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of our neighborhood was built by him. And we try to continue

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to be a good steward of this and we think that we are a good example

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for a landmark designation. And we hope that you will look favorably upon our application.

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and I'm here to answer any questions about our family or the home itself.

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all right, thank you. All right, any other public comment

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on this one? Seeing none, we'll bring that back. To commission for action,

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I make a motion, we approve 26p-012 and I'll second that, so we have a motion and a

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second to approve 26p-012. Any discussion seeing none,

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we'll take the vote, those in favor, and that's unanimous. That's an awesome story, man. Thank you

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so much for sharing that with us. All, right. Plats. Is

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that where we're at? 26p-015?

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or did I miss one? No, you're good. Now then we gotta go

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back. No, that's it. That's 8d. Ready when you are. 26... I think I'm on 8d. 26p-015. Is

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that correct? Did I miss one? Okay. Catherine says, no. I'm good. Alrighty. So this

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is a replant at 10415 warren road. There were 21 public

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notices sent. Let's see here.

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so, the applicant is requesting a minor plant to subdivide one parcel into three, because not all

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parcels have frontage on a public street plan. Commission review is required. Lot 3 has frontage

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on a portion of warren road, which is a private access easement. Subject parcel is

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located north of shaper road, between warren road and 105th street. It is currently vacant,

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except for existing residences.

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according to the proposed replant provided by the applicant, all lots will have direct access to either warren road or

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105th street via that access easement. Note the zoning and

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00:36:58,867 --> 00:37:00,233
land use of this property and surrounding. Also note the

415
00:37:04,833 --> 00:37:05,733
requirements for new lots in r1 zoning. In this case,

416
00:37:09,833 --> 00:37:13,833
this is a strange part of r1, called r1 modified, where the minimum lot requirements are

417
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,300
much different than what we normally see. It will only require a 2,500 square foot lot

418
00:37:19,167 --> 00:37:22,733
area, and all three lots will greatly exceed that requirement. The smallest

419
00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:25,933
proposed parcel is going to be over 10,000 square feet. There

420
00:37:28,567 --> 00:37:32,400
are no objections from outside utilities or other city departments. Please note the plat approval criteria

421
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,900
in the staff report. Staff recommends request be approved

422
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,600
with specific conditions 1 and standard conditions 2 through

423
00:37:42,633 --> 00:37:45,667
6. And we have some photos here. So here we have the proposed replat showing the

424
00:37:49,567 --> 00:37:52,600
layout of the proposed three lots. Lot 1 has a house on it. Lot 2 and 3 would vacant. The tract

425
00:37:53,633 --> 00:37:53,633
in the lower corner is also

426
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:02,900
involved in this replat, and that has since been purchased by the same owner. So they're

427
00:38:04,233 --> 00:38:08,167
all by the same applicant. Next slide, please. And so here we have the survey

428
00:38:09,367 --> 00:38:11,967
on the left hand side, showing how things sort of look now. And then compare

429
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,533
that on the right, which is once again the proposed replat showing how. Basically, the two

430
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,200
lots there, the l shaped lot and the other would then become four lots, one remaining and

431
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:30,767
the other three lots. Then being what is shown here. You

432
00:38:33,067 --> 00:38:36,667
can also see how warren road sort of dead ends on either side of these properties, which is

433
00:38:37,833 --> 00:38:40,233
odd, but not that odd for galveston. Next slide, please. And then here we have

434
00:38:44,233 --> 00:38:46,900
the subject property looking north, the subject property

435
00:38:50,267 --> 00:38:51,767
showing the two houses looking south, the properties

436
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,333
to the east, the general area to the east, and then the general area to the west. On either side

437
00:38:59,167 --> 00:39:03,033
of warren road, where it sort of the property splits it. And this concludes staff's report.

438
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,967
all right, any questions? Can you go back

439
00:39:10,567 --> 00:39:14,233
to the survey where there's, okay, it says. Because not all parcels have frontage

440
00:39:15,267 --> 00:39:18,567
on the public street, planning commission is required to review. So is the way they're cutting it,

441
00:39:20,867 --> 00:39:24,033
they're losing part of the street? So if you look on the replant, it's kind

442
00:39:25,533 --> 00:39:29,333
of hard to see, but it would be basically the east side of warren road. There are two

443
00:39:31,967 --> 00:39:33,800
volumes and pages noted as county of galveston. And staff

444
00:39:36,533 --> 00:39:39,800
was not sure if that was dedicated to the city whenever that part

445
00:39:42,067 --> 00:39:45,267
of the city was annexed or not. And so the term determination was made that that's a private

446
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:49,800
access easement, not a city right-of-way, so therefore, lot 3 would not have direct

447
00:39:51,067 --> 00:39:51,067
access to a right-of-way.

448
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:01,633
that's my question, too. Access to property, but not through a public street? Is

449
00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:06,767
that what you're saying? It would be a private access? I believe that is what staff

450
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,167
suspects at this point. The surveyor did provide the deed research on those,

451
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,800
but it was difficult to tell what the actual, I guess, legal status

452
00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:20,333
of those two little hunks were.

453
00:40:24,367 --> 00:40:28,167
because the wern road, so wern currently, the way it's done... Today,

454
00:40:30,267 --> 00:40:32,467
warren road, its right-of-way, kind of goes to the middle

455
00:40:34,367 --> 00:40:37,967
of this track. And so now what's going to happen is you're going to have warren road. That's

456
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:44,400
going to be on the, what would be the, I guess it would be the west side,

457
00:40:45,133 --> 00:40:48,967
and then you'd also have warren road that would be on the east side. Is that correct? With no right-of-way, was that right-of-way dedicated and

458
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:49,900
abandoned? We have no evidence

459
00:40:56,500 --> 00:41:00,367
that warren road was ever. Established as a right of way.

460
00:41:01,333 --> 00:41:05,100
across these properties. Then how are they saying it's

461
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,367
private property right now? From what staff has been provided, it appears to be. So

462
00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:23,667
how do you get to? So it's going from, yeah, I'm just

463
00:41:33,433 --> 00:41:36,233
curious how you get to the parcel. How are they going to have access

464
00:41:37,467 --> 00:41:40,767
to the parcel that remains, that doesn't have a structure on it, to the north? Because

465
00:41:43,333 --> 00:41:46,633
there's no access to that. I don't think you can do that.

466
00:41:47,867 --> 00:41:51,700
so lot one, of course, would have access to warren

467
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,767
road and the variable width right away, that's noted there, as would lot two. It also kind

468
00:41:58,133 --> 00:42:00,567
of hits. Right now, on lot three, you'll see we're in road

469
00:42:02,633 --> 00:42:06,033
and you'll see a little square that's 41 foot by 41 foot, says county of galveston.

470
00:42:07,433 --> 00:42:10,833
value 114, page 597. Um, that is believed to be a uh,

471
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,267
easement, and therefore lot three would go through the easement to where

472
00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:21,467
in row, which is a public right-of-way. So they would not have direct access, but staff

473
00:42:22,767 --> 00:42:24,200
believes they would have access. So you, you're,

474
00:42:27,967 --> 00:42:31,933
you're. You're under the impression that the track that's labeled county of

475
00:42:33,467 --> 00:42:37,300
galveston, that's kind of to the north there, that would be adjacent, that's

476
00:42:38,767 --> 00:42:42,400
how they would access that? Correct. That is our understanding at this point.

477
00:42:47,933 --> 00:42:50,967
okay. Well, that's a strange one. All right. All right. Any

478
00:42:54,067 --> 00:42:57,500
other questions for staff? I will note that our engineering department did... Review this

479
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,333
plan as they always do, and we receive no comments or concerns from them. Okay. All right.

480
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,933
we'll open this public hearing. Anybody here to speak on this? Is the applicant here?

481
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,300
nope. Anybody want to talk about this? Nope. All right. Then we'll close the public

482
00:43:14,533 --> 00:43:15,833
hearing. We'll bring it back to commission for action. I

483
00:43:31,833 --> 00:43:34,867
move that we approve 26p-015 with staff recommendations. And I'll second it so we can

484
00:43:36,933 --> 00:43:36,933
have some discussion. Thank

485
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,167
you. All right. So, daniel, this is a strange one. So I'm

486
00:43:47,033 --> 00:43:50,733
assuming that what's going on here is none of this, and john, I know you have a lot

487
00:43:51,633 --> 00:43:54,933
of expertise in this. So I'm assuming that what the deal is

488
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:58,633
is none of these other tracks have been. Platted prior to,

489
00:44:01,633 --> 00:44:04,033
so we're plating what was a one single existing tract. My

490
00:44:08,067 --> 00:44:10,033
problem is is there's some unknowns here. Where do we know

491
00:44:12,933 --> 00:44:15,433
that belongs? What says it's the county of galveston?

492
00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:19,533
okay, if you remember there was a planned unit development that

493
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,433
was just north of here. Yes, I remember years ago and there were lots of questions then. About wern road and wern road

494
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,333
is very mysterious. But those two sections that are labeled

495
00:44:33,067 --> 00:44:34,800
here county of galveston, are access easements. But wern is a

496
00:44:37,233 --> 00:44:39,700
dedicated right-of-way and a road in the city, correct?

497
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,333
parts of it are, parts of it are, but right here,

498
00:44:47,733 --> 00:44:51,367
where we're considering it now, it's not dedicated right-of-way,

499
00:44:52,667 --> 00:44:55,500
so that's why you see wern road rights-of-way coming in. On the east and the west,

500
00:44:57,767 --> 00:45:01,067
and they kind of disappear into this private property.

501
00:45:03,233 --> 00:45:06,767
but the access to lot three is achieved through that access easement.

502
00:45:08,233 --> 00:45:11,500
okay. Any other discussion? Who maintains that portion? Is that maintained by the city?

503
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:16,000
it wouldn't be, no. It would be considered just like a driveway,

504
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,867
a private access way. And I would just add that the burden

505
00:45:21,933 --> 00:45:25,200
falls on the applicant. You know, this is what he wants to plat. Yeah, I see no

506
00:45:26,367 --> 00:45:28,900
objection to it. Okay, thanks, john. Any other discussion?

507
00:45:32,367 --> 00:45:36,167
all right, then we'll take the vote. Those in favor? And that's unanimous. Thank you, daniel,

508
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:38,133
for the test. All right.

509
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,567
moving on to old business 7a. 26p-009.

510
00:46:00,067 --> 00:46:02,633
so I'll tell you what I'd like to do here is, let's hear from, because I know you guys are all

511
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,633
here. My birthday is not until friday, but I appreciate y'all coming.

512
00:46:09,533 --> 00:46:12,533
and why don't we do this? Let's hear from the applicant. Let's take

513
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:18,567
a quick break and then we'll hear from everybody else. Is that good with the commission? Okay. All

514
00:46:20,067 --> 00:46:20,067
right. Let's roll with that.

515
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:24,400
yes, ma'am. Ready. Okay. So

516
00:46:32,033 --> 00:46:34,467
good afternoon, commissioners. Teresa evans with the development services department. Can you hear me?

517
00:46:36,267 --> 00:46:39,133
is it good? I might scoot in real quick. Okay. Switch.

518
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:40,333
okay, is that better? Got it?

519
00:46:56,733 --> 00:47:00,433
okay. So the case before you, 26p-009, was deferred

520
00:47:02,533 --> 00:47:04,133
from the march 3rd, 2026 meeting, with the request

521
00:47:07,567 --> 00:47:09,600
to bring it back to this meeting with more information. So, just

522
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:15,800
to revisit the project summary for this project,

523
00:47:17,033 --> 00:47:18,633
the subject site consists of 12 lots. They are located

524
00:47:21,633 --> 00:47:23,933
at the northwest intersection of bob smith drive and san

525
00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:26,433
luis pass road, fm 3005. The

526
00:47:30,633 --> 00:47:34,100
total area of the subject site is 351 acres,

527
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,333
with development proposed on 170 of the acres. Most

528
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,233
of the site is undeveloped, but it does include jamaica

529
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,600
beach rv resort. So, if this pud request is approved and

530
00:47:50,867 --> 00:47:54,833
moves forward, the rv park will be incorporated into the development. So, the

531
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:01,733
existing site consists of three base zoning districts.

532
00:48:03,767 --> 00:48:05,900
there's residential single-family r1,

533
00:48:08,267 --> 00:48:10,967
residential townhouse r2. And resort recreation zoning

534
00:48:12,867 --> 00:48:16,800
districts. So that that pale yellow on the east side of the

535
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,233
of the site outlined in that aqua outline,

536
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:26,500
that is r1. The r2 is the dark yellow and the res rec zoning

537
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:33,100
designation is the the dark green. So the press

538
00:48:37,133 --> 00:48:40,633
before you is for a planned unit development overlay district, and that is to

539
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,733
establish a mixed-use development. So, public notice,

540
00:48:49,633 --> 00:48:52,233
25 public notices were mailed to all property owners within

541
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:58,567
200 feet of this site. We did have one returned public

542
00:49:00,867 --> 00:49:00,867
comment report. It looks like

543
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:07,500
since this staff report was put together, we received an

544
00:49:11,367 --> 00:49:14,067
updated comment sheet that is now in favor of the project.

545
00:49:16,633 --> 00:49:18,367
so your staff report notes that it was opposed, but what is

546
00:49:20,933 --> 00:49:24,433
being disseminated right now is the updated comment letter that shows it is in favor. We also

547
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:30,667
received additional comment letters in the public comment

548
00:49:32,967 --> 00:49:36,867
report that was sent out earlier today. And you should note all the different

549
00:49:40,533 --> 00:49:42,333
comments that were submitted for this project. We are still

550
00:49:46,467 --> 00:49:49,500
in the process of redacting the personal information from those comment reports,

551
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,233
so we have not been able to provide those for this meeting, but you do have a list of

552
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,367
everyone that has provided comments. The updated proposal

553
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,567
before you, was circulated to all city departments,

554
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,133
all the review departments, and they responded with no objection. So, please

555
00:50:13,433 --> 00:50:16,767
note, the fire marshal has removed his objection to the initial proposal that was

556
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:19,867
presented at the march 3rd meeting. The proposal was also

557
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:26,200
circulated to private utilities, and they responded

558
00:50:28,133 --> 00:50:28,133
with no objection. So, as just

559
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:37,367
noted, the ped request was deferred to this meeting in order

560
00:50:39,233 --> 00:50:42,367
to allow the applicant to provide more information regarding building height,

561
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:45,667
drainage, lighting, and environmental concerns.

562
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,467
included in the staff report, the applicant has provided a

563
00:50:52,367 --> 00:50:53,933
cover letter. This is exhibit b. And the applicant will get

564
00:50:57,533 --> 00:51:01,033
into more detail on responses and the specific information that's been provided. But there

565
00:51:02,333 --> 00:51:05,867
are some changes that have been made to the original request

566
00:51:07,067 --> 00:51:10,467
that was presented. First, the applicant has removed the

567
00:51:11,633 --> 00:51:14,733
deviation request from the maximum lighting requirements outlined in article 7

568
00:51:16,433 --> 00:51:19,333
of the ldrs. So they are now proposing to comply with the

569
00:51:20,967 --> 00:51:22,367
land development regulations, article 7. I will note that we

570
00:51:27,933 --> 00:51:30,067
have, there was an oversight in the initial staff report that

571
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:37,133
was published online, but that has been corrected. And the copies before you do

572
00:51:39,267 --> 00:51:42,767
include that update. And that is just the table with this pud request, noting

573
00:51:44,567 --> 00:51:46,567
that the lighting will be per article 7 of the ldr. I noted

574
00:51:51,567 --> 00:51:54,567
that there was a couple changes to the original request. So the first was removing the

575
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,800
deviation request for the lighting requirement. Number two is the applicant is

576
00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:02,967
proposing to establish three planning areas within the development site.

577
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,633
so, planning area one is currently zoned r1,

578
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:14,367
residential single family, and that would be located

579
00:52:15,767 --> 00:52:18,067
within 500 feet of bob smith road. And it would comply with

580
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,900
the residential single family r1 design standards. That is

581
00:52:27,167 --> 00:52:31,000
for planning area 1. For planning area 2, that is located along the frontage

582
00:52:33,033 --> 00:52:33,033
of fm 3005, within 650 feet

583
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,000
of san luis paso road, they

584
00:52:42,367 --> 00:52:46,000
would comply with the commercial zoning standards. Right now, that planning area

585
00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:52,133
2 has three zoning districts. So you have the r1, the r2,

586
00:52:53,733 --> 00:52:57,600
and the res rec. And so the proposals for that planning area 2

587
00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:00,267
within 600 feet of fn 3005, it would be the zoning, the

588
00:53:03,633 --> 00:53:05,867
commercial zoning standards that apply. And then planning

589
00:53:09,867 --> 00:53:11,933
area 3 would encompass all the remaining acreage of the 170

590
00:53:14,967 --> 00:53:16,667
acres that they are proposing to develop. And that would

591
00:53:19,133 --> 00:53:21,800
incorporate the standards in the pud plan that is being

592
00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:27,500
presented. So, the pud is a floating zoning district,

593
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,500
and the purpose of this pud request is to one,

594
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,233
eliminate the minimum lot area, lot width, lot depth, front setback, side setback,

595
00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:43,233
and rear setback requirements in the r1, r2, and res rec zoning districts for planning

596
00:53:46,433 --> 00:53:46,433
area 3. 2. Increase the maximum

597
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,800
height requirement in planning areas 1 and 2 from 50 feet to 70 feet in the

598
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:01,700
r1 and r2 zoning districts for architectural features and

599
00:54:03,767 --> 00:54:06,800
mechanical equipment screening. 3. Increase the maximum height

600
00:54:08,833 --> 00:54:10,467
requirement in planning area 3 from 50 feet to 120 feet

601
00:54:13,933 --> 00:54:15,633
in the r1 and r2 zoning districts. Or to allow the

602
00:54:19,833 --> 00:54:21,900
additional land uses in the r1, r2, and res rec

603
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,533
zoning districts as described in pud plan. Exhibit e. Five,

604
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,500
eliminate the signs requirements in article 5, with the exception of section

605
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:38,500
5.301 , which prohibits off-premise signs, billboards,

606
00:54:40,267 --> 00:54:42,300
and replace with pud exhibit g. Six, eliminate the parking

607
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,900
and screening requirements. In articles 3 & 8

608
00:54:50,867 --> 00:54:52,967
of the ld.r.s and replaced with pud exhibit f and 7

609
00:54:55,533 --> 00:54:55,533
to allow for private streets.

610
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:03,967
so, in your agenda packet on page 6 of the staff report, you'll see the criteria

611
00:55:05,667 --> 00:55:09,100
for approvals of this pud and conditions appropriate for the request. If this

612
00:55:10,633 --> 00:55:14,467
project moves forward. Specific conditions are 1 through 3. And on page 7,

613
00:55:16,367 --> 00:55:17,833
you'll see standard conditions 4 through 9 outlined. And

614
00:55:24,767 --> 00:55:27,733
with that, we can, if you're ready, we can turn it over to

615
00:55:28,833 --> 00:55:32,533
the applicant and they can provide more detail. Okay. We might have some questions

616
00:55:34,233 --> 00:55:37,600
for staff, too. Yes, sir. So, does anybody have any staff

617
00:55:39,033 --> 00:55:39,033
questions? Go ahead, tom. All

618
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,667
right, thank you. So I understand, I think jamaica beach has a sewage treatment

619
00:55:48,067 --> 00:55:51,867
plant out there, but I'm wondering about the city of galveston. Do we have sanitary sewer, that sort of thing

620
00:55:52,767 --> 00:55:56,300
out that far? They're proposing to build a treatment plant for the site. So that is

621
00:55:58,733 --> 00:56:02,667
something they have been in discussion with public works. Gotcha. And so when public works has no objection,

622
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:04,800
they're considering the capacity issues? Yes. Okay.

623
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,433
and then... In the original plan, and then I see in one

624
00:56:12,767 --> 00:56:16,233
of the maps here too, they label a sewer treatment facility, but I didn't see anything in

625
00:56:17,267 --> 00:56:19,733
the actual proposal that holds them to that. Is that something

626
00:56:21,533 --> 00:56:25,500
that we can require, or is it just a permitted use? It's required

627
00:56:27,533 --> 00:56:30,433
to the development. They'll need to provide adequate infrastructure. And so... How

628
00:56:31,633 --> 00:56:35,333
does that work? Would they have to build it themselves, or would they give the city the money? Would they have to put down some sort of bond

629
00:56:36,233 --> 00:56:39,767
in order to make sure that, you know, this gets finished? How would that work? So that's those, there's not any

630
00:56:41,367 --> 00:56:43,733
specifications addressing that in the pud plan, so they would comply with city

631
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:49,400
development requirements. Whatever gets it built based on the city's decision. Yes, right now,

632
00:56:50,033 --> 00:56:52,633
they have not approached us for any special requests or incentives or anything. So

633
00:56:54,467 --> 00:56:58,067
right now it would be built per city regulations. Okay, and then... You know, they discuss,

634
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,933
you know, some conservation efforts there, but once again, I don't see anything really

635
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,367
holding, you know, say, like a conservation easement, as like, you know, a firm piece

636
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,867
of this proposal. Is that something that we can put in there? Is that something that the city has talked

637
00:57:15,267 --> 00:57:17,733
to them about? Do we know, you know, how we'll be managing that?

638
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,033
the developer is making commitments, but right now, this is, we have this letter, and the development this

639
00:57:25,267 --> 00:57:27,767
proposes is only for 170 of the acres. 71 of the 350

640
00:57:30,567 --> 00:57:30,567
acre site. So my understanding

641
00:57:34,767 --> 00:57:38,467
is they are not, they will not touch the wetlands. The remaining balance

642
00:57:39,933 --> 00:57:43,267
of the site is wetlands. And they're hoping to improve that, but they can

643
00:57:44,267 --> 00:57:47,500
certainly provide more detail on what their plans are. Okay, but that's aspirational, as opposed to, like,

644
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,500
a condition of the pud. Yes, so the city does not have any requirements from wetlands

645
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:55,033
separate than what the u.s. Army corps. Will require and

646
00:57:57,833 --> 00:58:00,533
the city defers to. Okay, cool, thank you. All right,

647
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,300
any other staff questions? Nope, I got a couple. So I'm

648
00:58:07,767 --> 00:58:11,467
trying to get my hands around some of these planning

649
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,600
areas that are described here. Maybe I can ask the applicant this. But we're seeing where

650
00:58:18,933 --> 00:58:21,833
we're increasing from 50 to 70 in r1 and r2 zoning districts.

651
00:58:24,033 --> 00:58:27,467
is that? Because my understanding is, if I'm looking at the map and

652
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,167
the way that they're, I'm looking at their exhibit c, which is

653
00:58:33,833 --> 00:58:34,600
their internal planning area map, that pretty much all of

654
00:58:38,533 --> 00:58:42,167
that parcel that's currently r1 is in their letter. They're

655
00:58:43,833 --> 00:58:46,633
stating that they're staying in the 50. And I can ask the applicant that, but it's a

656
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,967
little confusing because we have planning area 1 and planning area 2. 50 to 70. So I

657
00:58:55,967 --> 00:58:58,300
guess I can ask them that. And then can you elaborate

658
00:59:00,967 --> 00:59:04,367
on the, I'll be honest with you, I didn't go read these, some

659
00:59:05,433 --> 00:59:08,733
of these other exhibits. And I'm hoping you can answer the question

660
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:12,900
about the billboards. What is, what's the deal there? Are they like. So they will comply with the city's regulation that we

661
00:59:14,167 --> 00:59:17,200
don't know. They're saying. Yeah, we're not, they're not going to do. So they're proposing their own

662
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,033
sign regulations for their development. Okay. In lieu of what's. In the ler?

663
00:59:23,967 --> 00:59:27,100
in the city standards. Okay. So their own variations or deviations, with the exception

664
00:59:29,467 --> 00:59:33,367
that they are not going to deviate from the city standard. That we do not allow billboards. Got it. Okay. Can, I know that,

665
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,500
so I know that. The lot size, the minimum, I'm sorry,

666
00:59:42,067 --> 00:59:44,600
minimum lot size in r1 is 05,000 square feet. Can somebody

667
00:59:47,967 --> 00:59:51,167
on staff tell me what, if there's minimum lot sizes established for? R2 and res

668
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:57,933
rec? Yes, I actually have that information in front of me.

669
01:00:00,967 --> 01:00:03,533
so, for r2 residential zoning districts, your minimum area is 1,600

670
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:09,967
square feet. Your minimum width is 20 feet, and your minimum depth is 80

671
01:00:11,433 --> 01:00:13,933
feet, and that's for townhomes. Okay. And then what was you said res rec? R2.

672
01:00:16,267 --> 01:00:19,900
you know what the one is? That's r2. For our, for res, did you ask, say res rec?

673
01:00:21,467 --> 01:00:25,333
yes, ma'am. Okay, let me... Is it four? Okay, I'm good

674
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:32,067
with that. You already have that. I think that's right. I just didn't know it was offhand. It's 4,000 square

675
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,567
feet, yes. Thank you. I think that's all I have for now. I may have some more later. Anybody else? All right. We'll

676
01:00:40,533 --> 01:00:42,167
get the applicant up here, tell us what he's got going on.

677
01:00:45,667 --> 01:00:45,667
welcome back. Yeah, you want a

678
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,767
slide presentation? So I think what I'd like to hear,

679
01:01:07,833 --> 01:01:11,567
this is just me, I know that you've heard. From our last meeting, we had some comments,

680
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,933
and it was basically building, height, drainage, lighting, environmental concerns, and it

681
01:01:17,233 --> 01:01:20,500
looks like you guys heard some of the other stuff and incorporated that too. So if

682
01:01:22,033 --> 01:01:25,367
you don't mind, if you could just start out for me, just kind

683
01:01:28,033 --> 01:01:30,833
of letting us know some of the changes that you've put into your... Into your plan.

684
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,700
would that be okay? Or you got your own spill there? Okay,

685
01:01:38,467 --> 01:01:41,000
I'll let you do your thing, but that's a question I'm going to have. My name is jeff

686
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,500
blackard, 401a, drannick parkway, mckinney, texas.

687
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,267
from all the questions from last time I was here, and from jamaica beach, and from

688
01:01:55,933 --> 01:01:59,733
letters that I've seen flowing around, I put together a list of things that I think people

689
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:02,533
have been talking about. Perfect. Traffic, zoning,

690
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:10,133
affordable housing, drainage, exterior lighting, and water,

691
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,067
wastewater, and the environmental issue.

692
01:02:19,333 --> 01:02:21,767
the one thing I didn't address is short-term rentals. I'll

693
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:27,900
leave that over here. So I put together a few slides. If I

694
01:02:30,367 --> 01:02:31,733
may, I'll try to do this all in a few minutes. This one or

695
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:46,100
this one? Okay, go ahead. I'll

696
01:02:59,067 --> 01:03:02,300
first start with traffic. We hired dustin quall. He's our

697
01:03:04,267 --> 01:03:07,800
traffic engineer. Once again, they talk to the state. No

698
01:03:09,467 --> 01:03:11,033
different information than I gave last time. When 3-005

699
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,767
becomes busy enough, they'll add additional two

700
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,900
lanes of traffic. The reason we've engaged this traffic

701
01:03:22,667 --> 01:03:25,667
engineer is because, at some point in time, soon, soon. In our engineering,

702
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,367
we'll have to do desal, lanes, etc., and deal with 3005. Go

703
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:32,300
ahead. This is the zoning map,

704
01:03:40,267 --> 01:03:43,400
and I think there's been a lot of confusion, maybe not here, but on the outside

705
01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:45,600
of the property that we're going to develop. And a lot of

706
01:03:49,167 --> 01:03:52,700
people believe that the wetlands right there. That we're gonna develop that or

707
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,467
fill it in along bob smith road towards the end. And we have no intention

708
01:03:58,567 --> 01:04:01,400
of doing that whatsoever. The property is currently, we could

709
01:04:04,067 --> 01:04:06,433
pretty much develop just like it is with the current zoning.

710
01:04:08,467 --> 01:04:11,700
but we would like to be a little bit more creative in the village itself. With

711
01:04:13,567 --> 01:04:17,000
setbacks and side yards and things like that, including the height, which,

712
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,767
you know. I was here last time talking about the famous lighthouse. And fine. We'll do 120 feet,

713
01:04:26,533 --> 01:04:30,233
which is within the zoning itself, and that's why we asked for the additional height. The

714
01:04:33,667 --> 01:04:37,267
other things along bodd smith road, a 500 foot, I'm gonna call it a buffer

715
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,633
zone. But there are people that have three-story houses that

716
01:04:45,067 --> 01:04:48,633
will have elevator shafts that go a little bit taller. For architectural features,

717
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:53,533
and that's the additional 10 or 20 feet on existing house, above the 15 feet. And the

718
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,967
density we can currently develop that with the existing

719
01:05:04,333 --> 01:05:08,333
density that we have today, in fact, we're probably half as much density as we could

720
01:05:09,933 --> 01:05:12,100
develop today under the the current zoning.

721
01:05:19,533 --> 01:05:21,667
this is our traffic consultant. Go ahead. Go ahead. This is an

722
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,733
interesting map. That's the, and we just went through it, but that's the existing zoning

723
01:05:33,333 --> 01:05:36,633
that we have today. And once again, I'm just trying to illustrate that the wetlands

724
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:41,167
will be left alone. We will not touch the wetlands. In fact, I'll get into it

725
01:05:42,433 --> 01:05:44,167
in the environmental part of this presentation. Go ahead.

726
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,967
affordable housing, which I don't like that word either. Our

727
01:05:59,367 --> 01:06:02,767
company is passionate about affordable housing. In fact, we're working with

728
01:06:03,867 --> 01:06:07,367
congress right now. Just got through the heritage

729
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:11,533
foundation on tax credits to figure out more affordable housing

730
01:06:12,767 --> 01:06:16,200
in america. So we're right in the middle of it. So we're passionate about it,

731
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,333
but it's come up over and over in galveston island. And so we

732
01:06:22,233 --> 01:06:24,400
will put something in our pud. Regarding

733
01:06:28,167 --> 01:06:31,300
affordable housing, we're open, but I put 15 units, is it 15

734
01:06:33,633 --> 01:06:34,800
units or 18 units at least, inside. We have

735
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,567
to find housing for our own employees also. So it's a problem here,

736
01:06:44,033 --> 01:06:45,633
but we would rather take care of it on our own site. That's

737
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,100
the fabric act that we're going through congress with. Go ahead. Hydraulics, which is an

738
01:06:57,867 --> 01:07:01,667
interesting subject. One of the comments in meeting

739
01:07:04,733 --> 01:07:08,367
with jamaica beach was, you know, we don't want you to raise your elevation

740
01:07:09,667 --> 01:07:13,233
of your land and flood ours. And currently, jamaica beach, in a lot of cases, is higher

741
01:07:14,433 --> 01:07:17,300
than us and coming towards us. But we all know that state law

742
01:07:18,667 --> 01:07:22,333
and galveston ordinance that we're not allowed to. Direct

743
01:07:24,167 --> 01:07:26,667
our water towards jamaica beach. And so shellmark

744
01:07:28,467 --> 01:07:32,300
engineering firm, we used in the past in pirates, they're our engineer. And that's the

745
01:07:35,533 --> 01:07:39,467
best I can do to give a letter saying that I'm not going to flood the streets of jamaica beach. Streetlights was

746
01:07:47,633 --> 01:07:51,000
brought up by jamaica beach, and it's ironic, I would love for, we'll adopt the city of

747
01:07:52,967 --> 01:07:56,700
galveston ordinance on dark sky, but we would like for them

748
01:07:57,967 --> 01:08:01,100
to also pass the ordinance in their city. Because they

749
01:08:02,933 --> 01:08:05,633
have street lights all the way up and down bob smith road that shine directly into our site,

750
01:08:07,567 --> 01:08:07,567
next, slide waste water. I

751
01:08:20,067 --> 01:08:21,000
mean, this wasn't our idea to build a sewer treatment

752
01:08:25,067 --> 01:08:28,600
plant on our site. This was the city's, they gave us an option to build a lift station and

753
01:08:32,133 --> 01:08:36,100
pump it to a certain location. But in the best interest of the city, they would love

754
01:08:37,767 --> 01:08:40,367
for us to build a sewer treatment plant. So we

755
01:08:42,067 --> 01:08:44,567
volunteered to build it on our site because their big concerns

756
01:08:47,667 --> 01:08:50,300
are all the septic tanks that are from our property west.

757
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:56,333
in theory, we're doing, I won't say a favor,

758
01:08:57,867 --> 01:09:00,233
but we agreed with them that we would do that on our site and build it

759
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,700
to a capacity to handle more properties to the west end. Okay, go

760
01:09:08,533 --> 01:09:08,533
ahead. Environmental. If I may

761
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:15,667
spend a few seconds on this because, tom, you

762
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:22,100
brought up the environmental issues. Everybody's focused on the environmental. Issues,

763
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,000
but I'd ask you to judge a man based on his past on galveston

764
01:09:28,467 --> 01:09:32,400
island. What I have done and what I'm about to tell you,

765
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,800
I did without. I didn't do it. To get a permit, okay, a lot

766
01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:42,333
of guys will do a lot of things to get a permit. But when I first come to

767
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:47,267
galveston island, the west end property owner association and pirates. And came to me and

768
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:53,267
asked me if I would donate $50,000 for engineering to do

769
01:09:55,567 --> 01:09:55,567
delhide cove. And so I said

770
01:10:00,833 --> 01:10:03,200
yes, and I donated an employee, greg gitcho, to do delhide

771
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:08,233
cove at the end of pirates, at the end of lafitte's cove.

772
01:10:09,633 --> 01:10:12,567
and we did, and it took two years with

773
01:10:14,067 --> 01:10:16,967
sherry o'brien with texas fish and wildlife, and we got it approved and built

774
01:10:18,667 --> 01:10:22,200
with matching funds. It won the nation's highest award. You can go ahead. For the wetlands.

775
01:10:25,267 --> 01:10:28,933
and it had, go ahead. And it had nothing to do

776
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:34,133
with any permit. It was just being a good neighbor down in pirates. And

777
01:10:35,067 --> 01:10:38,167
through that process, I learned a lot. And I became friends with a guy named bob

778
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,467
moore, who is one of the top attorneys

779
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:49,033
for the environment in the nation. And during that process,

780
01:10:50,633 --> 01:10:54,300
I learned more and more. And bob would ask me for properties, and I would donate more properties to.

781
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,733
sanctuary properties on galveston island, which today

782
01:11:00,133 --> 01:11:02,967
those properties would be worth millions and millions of dollars. Go ahead. Started a

783
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,033
very close relationship with sherry o'brien and all her projects. Going all the way

784
01:11:12,967 --> 01:11:16,067
down the coast and building wetlands all the way down the coast. And we continue

785
01:11:17,733 --> 01:11:21,033
to participate in any project they want to do. Go ahead. These are

786
01:11:25,533 --> 01:11:26,600
tracks that I donated. Go ahead. One

787
01:11:29,633 --> 01:11:33,067
of the big mysteries, and maybe it was like, when I owned stewart mansion,

788
01:11:34,367 --> 01:11:38,233
everybody wanted to go inside of stewart mansion, the big mystery on the west end. But the famous hole on the

789
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:43,433
west end, and how that took place, was sherry. O'brien said.

790
01:11:45,067 --> 01:11:47,900
there's no fresh water on the west end for bird sanctuary. Or we're losing it. So I said,

791
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:49,300
how about if I create some a

792
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:56,200
little pond there, and it was at first a very small pond.

793
01:11:58,700 --> 01:11:58,700
and then the beach erosion

794
01:12:02,933 --> 01:12:05,867
because of all the beach erosion. They came to me and asked me if I would donate some sand,

795
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:10,667
so I donated some sand. And then lowe's or home depot said

796
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,567
they wanted to buy some sand. We sold just a little bit of sand to them. But we weren't

797
01:12:16,967 --> 01:12:19,667
doing this freshwater lake for the purpose

798
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:24,900
of selling material. And then more beach erosion and more

799
01:12:26,867 --> 01:12:29,433
beach erosion. And sand socks needed beach quality sand. And

800
01:12:31,033 --> 01:12:33,067
before you know it, I had given away

801
01:12:35,067 --> 01:12:38,667
over a million cubic yards of beach quality sand. That's about $50 million worth of

802
01:12:40,967 --> 01:12:44,700
beach quality sand that we had given away here. And that's how that lake took place, because

803
01:12:46,267 --> 01:12:48,033
sherry o'brien wanted fresh water on the west end. Go

804
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:55,467
ahead. When we were, when we developed down here,

805
01:12:56,967 --> 01:12:59,633
that's christmas tree point, we tried to be very responsible. We had

806
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:03,133
a lady that worked for us, named rhonda gregg, very much

807
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:10,433
an environmentalist, now currently works for the corps of engineers. And this is a very smart way to develop.

808
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,800
you can see the coastline, I mean the wetlands right there.

809
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:18,933
and what we did is we took uplands and created where their

810
01:13:21,433 --> 01:13:25,067
boat docks were. And didn't touch the wetlands and create a barrier reef and more wetlands

811
01:13:26,833 --> 01:13:26,833
for that project. Go ahead.

812
01:13:33,167 --> 01:13:36,933
that did take a permit, but. But most people would just went out and built boat docks. This

813
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,667
is another example. This is lafitte's cove, or lafitte's

814
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:48,467
point, which I took uplands and built their boat storage and

815
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,600
left all the wetlands. And protected the wetlands

816
01:13:55,767 --> 01:13:55,767
out there. Go ahead. So that

817
01:14:01,567 --> 01:14:05,000
leads us to discovery sands. And as you can see, in 1954,

818
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:10,533
jamaica beach was a big wetland. It was 350 acres, 170

819
01:14:13,233 --> 01:14:16,333
acres of wetlands. And right next to it, to the north

820
01:14:17,567 --> 01:14:19,400
in that picture, is discovery sands. And through time,

821
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:24,667
in the early 2000s, once again, texas fish and wildlife created

822
01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:26,500
the habitats again. And if you

823
01:14:31,567 --> 01:14:32,900
look at 2026, it's hard to see, but 90% of the work is

824
01:14:35,933 --> 01:14:35,933
now gone because the habitat is

825
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:40,400
either being washed away or

826
01:14:46,533 --> 01:14:50,233
erosion around the edges. And so... Because the sand sock should have been a little bit

827
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:53,400
taller. And so, go ahead to the next slide,

828
01:14:57,067 --> 01:14:58,233
which leads me to discovery sands. I'm trying,

829
01:15:02,733 --> 01:15:06,433
and have been in the last, you know, 30 days, trying to figure

830
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,067
out how I can adopt. Jubilee 01, that's called jubilee 1, that's called jubilee 2, and

831
01:15:11,533 --> 01:15:11,533
that's called jay cove.

832
01:15:16,167 --> 01:15:19,467
somebody needs to take care of these wetlands and maintain them. Now, they were beautiful

833
01:15:21,067 --> 01:15:23,567
when they were built, but they're going away. All of them are going away. And I'm

834
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:29,733
disappointed. Because, back to your question about conservation easement,

835
01:15:30,833 --> 01:15:33,500
on bob moore island that I donated to bob moore, I put it

836
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:39,233
in a conservation easement with galveston bay foundation. And these

837
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,833
properties, when people adopt these properties, have to maintain them. Especially

838
01:15:46,733 --> 01:15:48,200
down here in this environment, with the island sinking. So go

839
01:15:52,067 --> 01:15:52,067
ahead. So all I'm saying is I

840
01:15:57,900 --> 01:15:57,900
think I'd maybe put $60 million

841
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,433
worth of sand and dollars out of my pocket.

842
01:16:06,833 --> 01:16:08,767
with not the intent of any permit. In galveston,

843
01:16:11,967 --> 01:16:15,767
down there at pirates. I care as much about those wetlands as anybody

844
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:20,667
in this room, especially if it's going to be on the backside

845
01:16:21,767 --> 01:16:25,500
of the development. And this isn't a vacation spot in my mind. This is a small

846
01:16:28,233 --> 01:16:31,700
village that has beautiful wetlands. And when I designed this from the beginning,

847
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:36,600
I thought of the neighbors. If I lived on bob smith road, okay, and I know they're not

848
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,567
in the city, and I lived from the bird sanctuary down, and I was looking out, I

849
01:16:45,467 --> 01:16:48,167
wouldn't want anybody blocking my view of those beautiful wetlands.

850
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,400
so that design that you see of this development is respecting those people all the way down

851
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:58,967
bob smith road. And I don't think people understand. They think we're going to build

852
01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:01,733
out there along bob smith road down there. Go ahead. So the

853
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,700
one thing I hear, don't build anything. Okay. Well, my partner spent over

854
01:17:17,567 --> 01:17:19,333
$20 million already buying tracts of land there. So

855
01:17:21,967 --> 01:17:24,667
something's going to get built. Maybe not by me. Okay. But something will

856
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,500
get built there and I want to be creative

857
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,233
with the village, the no setback or the setbacks and side yards. That allows me

858
01:17:36,167 --> 01:17:39,900
to build a village to something that I would be proud of. That I would want to come

859
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,733
down here and do. That's why we're even here for pud. Most developers would just take what

860
01:17:46,433 --> 01:17:49,700
they have. But I want to, I want to make it really special

861
01:17:50,767 --> 01:17:54,733
in the village itself. Thank you. All right. Any questions

862
01:17:59,133 --> 01:17:59,133
for the applicant? Go ahead,

863
01:18:03,867 --> 01:18:06,133
stan. Yes, sir. Concerning the sewage treatment plant, your

864
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,300
site proposal is exactly where for that treatment plant? I saw

865
01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:16,400
a red dot. It didn't really give me a real good specific...

866
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:21,267
farthest west property that we own. Okay. On 3005. I didn't

867
01:18:26,167 --> 01:18:28,833
pick that location. The conversation is with the city

868
01:18:30,967 --> 01:18:33,833
because it would be easy for them to get access farther west on the island. And we will

869
01:18:36,633 --> 01:18:39,800
screen it because all of our houses are around the sewer treatment plant. No

870
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:45,267
different when I owned mud 29 in lafitte's point. I wish I

871
01:18:47,233 --> 01:18:48,833
had screened it better, but I did screen it. And I know

872
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:54,367
there's lost leaders on the houses that go around it, the ones that we own. Okay.

873
01:18:58,033 --> 01:19:01,133
so, but you're stating right now that your intent and goal is to build a treatment plant

874
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,567
there exclusively for the use of discovery sands? Not

875
01:19:09,233 --> 01:19:11,100
exclusive. We allowed enough land to do the rest of the

876
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,533
west end that they told us, the area. Thank you. I also added more in case one day

877
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:22,233
jamaica beach. Decides to join the city,

878
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,600
which we won't own it at the time. But I added enough capacity,

879
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:32,767
meaning enough land, to grow the sewer treatment plant. Thank you. All right for

880
01:19:36,367 --> 01:19:39,300
for staff. I'm just trying to get some clarification

881
01:19:40,767 --> 01:19:44,367
on the exhibit submitted by mr. Blackard that says the

882
01:19:46,667 --> 01:19:48,700
building heights for planning areas one and two will be

883
01:19:50,833 --> 01:19:53,400
capped with the language over here in the report on page six, says

884
01:19:55,067 --> 01:19:58,400
to increase them. So I just want to make sure we're on the same page and I'm reading the

885
01:20:00,667 --> 01:20:04,567
same thing. Is the request now to cap them at 50? Because the staff report says something different. Or am I reading it

886
01:20:05,533 --> 01:20:08,367
wrong? Right, no, the existing requirement is 50 feet, and so the request is

887
01:20:10,967 --> 01:20:14,333
for an additional 20 feet for mechanical and architectural features,

888
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,467
is my understanding. Is that it? 10 feet for architectural, 20 feet

889
01:20:22,733 --> 01:20:25,467
for mechanical. For both the planning area and one... The only thing in mechanical would

890
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:30,700
be if they had an elevator that went that high. But it would have to be architecturally,

891
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:35,233
or architecturally like a spear or something. Okay, I'm just trying to make sure that the language I'm

892
01:20:36,167 --> 01:20:40,000
reading in the staff report corresponds with the exhibit that was submitted, and make sure I'm

893
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,700
reading it right. So it's 50 plus whatever you need

894
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:50,200
for any mechanical. Up to 20 feet. Up to 20 feet. That's my understanding. Or mechanical.

895
01:20:51,333 --> 01:20:54,633
but architecturally, you can go up with a sphere a little bit higher than 50 feet.

896
01:20:55,733 --> 01:20:58,067
okay. And then just curious, because these drawings have not

897
01:20:59,867 --> 01:20:59,867
been updated. Is that correct?

898
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:08,700
this is updated. I'm just curious, are you playing the

899
01:21:13,433 --> 01:21:15,600
commercial section facing fm 3005? Right now,

900
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:21,500
in your drawing, you've got water. I'm just curious how that was going to look. Is this going to be

901
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,533
like you can just drive up from the road into the commercial section? Yeah, well, if it's commercial,

902
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:32,533
then we'll put commercial against the road. Otherwise, we want to keep that as a canal

903
01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:38,767
through. But you're asking for commercial in that section. Yes, because we have a... If it's commercial

904
01:21:39,967 --> 01:21:42,833
or it is going to be commercial. Well, we hope to be commercial. Right now,

905
01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:48,200
we have conversations with emergency clinic, and they would want to be up

906
01:21:49,633 --> 01:21:52,433
on 3005. So if that does, then we'll move the canal

907
01:21:53,833 --> 01:21:53,833
around that. So the plan is

908
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:02,600
to do a canal across the... Front of the property? Yes. But if you were

909
01:22:04,333 --> 01:22:07,567
to have commercial, let's just say your clinic, just, for example,

910
01:22:09,333 --> 01:22:12,200
the canal would be behind that or in front of it? It would be

911
01:22:14,167 --> 01:22:15,967
behind it and then back on the front. Because you're

912
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:23,367
asking for the overlay to be commercial in that front section. Correct. In case we want

913
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,700
to do something like that. I would prefer everything to be internal,

914
01:22:28,967 --> 01:22:31,667
but if I could bring e-care to that part of the island, I would be totally supportive and

915
01:22:33,967 --> 01:22:33,967
be open to that. Okay. All

916
01:22:40,833 --> 01:22:44,500
right. Yeah, a couple items. When the word eliminate is used, that's a pretty broad

917
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,667
brush, and I think that what it communicates is it says that there is no governance. And

918
01:22:54,833 --> 01:22:57,267
then maybe another word needs to be put in there, because you really aren't eliminating

919
01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:02,433
anything. You're modifying the requirements of the standards that are there.

920
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:07,100
but when you use eliminate, again, it just says there's no governance. At least that's what it says

921
01:23:07,967 --> 01:23:09,933
to me. And maybe you just want to use a little bit different word. And then also

922
01:23:12,467 --> 01:23:16,067
on the sanitary, there's been a lot

923
01:23:16,833 --> 01:23:19,400
of discussion about what it's going to end up servicing. And,

924
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,100
again, it may just be better that you end up defining. To what capacity you're talking

925
01:23:25,367 --> 01:23:28,000
about actually doing that, rather than just saying we're going to to what capacity? And

926
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,467
then people can be a little more comfortable with actually what it is that you intend.

927
01:23:35,933 --> 01:23:37,733
that's all. Eliminate. You can blame him. Yeah, well, it just

928
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,467
that's, that's a strong word and what you're doing. The project has so many,

929
01:23:45,167 --> 01:23:49,100
it has so many variables in it, which is really, really good. But it eliminates, or

930
01:23:50,933 --> 01:23:54,800
at least it creates, that something's going to be painted with a broad brush unnecessarily. The report

931
01:23:57,333 --> 01:23:59,233
might be a little bit vague in that language, pd. Language. It talks

932
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:05,400
about we still have to maintain fire separation. Sure. So building codes. That was just an fyi, because the

933
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,500
word is pretty broad. That's all. Kevin dingman. Yeah, I got

934
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,033
a couple, just a couple questions. So the first one, what are you planning on doing

935
01:24:22,967 --> 01:24:23,733
with all the material you dig out of the lagoon? The lagoon

936
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:29,400
is on our site. Okay, just as fill? Just as fill, yeah. And

937
01:24:33,533 --> 01:24:36,500
then the other one is, so if we were to add specific conditions

938
01:24:37,567 --> 01:24:41,533
about conservation easements for the land that you've identified, and then also the wastewater treatment,

939
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:43,867
would that be all right with you? Depending

940
01:24:46,767 --> 01:24:49,033
on the language, because... The first time, I kind of feel burned. I put a conservation

941
01:24:51,233 --> 01:24:54,200
easement and donated an island, and I want to make sure it's maintained.

942
01:24:56,633 --> 01:24:59,467
and so I'm not ready to give a conservation easement to any one group today. So,

943
01:25:00,967 --> 01:25:00,967
however, that language is.

944
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:09,633
okay. And I understand how important that is. And in the next week or two

945
01:25:11,933 --> 01:25:14,900
before we go to council, I will. Drill down on that. Okay. Try

946
01:25:16,733 --> 01:25:20,633
to give some language because that would give a lot of people assurance. If you lived on bob smith road and

947
01:25:21,933 --> 01:25:25,533
you're looking out, what guarantee by giving this pud, do I get that? So, yes,

948
01:25:26,967 --> 01:25:30,633
I agree. Right, yeah, and I think that's a big piece of it. And then, you know, maybe something you consider is finding one

949
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,100
of the local nonprofits. And, you know, you're obviously a very generous philanthropist. Maybe you can make a donation to that effect and kind

950
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,067
of work with them to make sure that those things are done to your standards. So, thank

951
01:25:40,933 --> 01:25:40,933
you. All right. Anybody else? I

952
01:25:46,067 --> 01:25:49,600
got a couple. So affordable housing. I'd prefer to call it workforce housing.

953
01:25:53,167 --> 01:25:55,900
okay. We can call it whatever we want. So give me, you're telling me your deal

954
01:25:58,167 --> 01:26:02,000
says 15 units, as in 15 houses of the, how many are you doing? 700?

955
01:26:05,267 --> 01:26:07,300
15 units for people to live in. So how many, how many dwelling units would that

956
01:26:09,567 --> 01:26:09,567
be? 15. 15 buildings

957
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:15,700
with x number of units in them? 15 living units. I'm

958
01:26:23,533 --> 01:26:26,633
still a little sorry, jeff, but I'm I don't get that. So is it so you're doing 700 lots,

959
01:26:28,767 --> 01:26:31,767
right? So are you providing in your affordable housing plan?

960
01:26:34,033 --> 01:26:37,333
are you providing? Of the 700, are we now down to 685

961
01:26:39,267 --> 01:26:40,867
because you have 15? We also have multi-family condos

962
01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:48,100
in there too, and that's where we build the affordable. Okay, and those and those would

963
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:52,000
be, because what I here's a struggle. And I just so look,

964
01:26:54,267 --> 01:26:56,033
jeff, some of this to me, and I'm calling you jeff. I

965
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,467
hope you don't mind, but there's just some

966
01:27:04,300 --> 01:27:07,433
of the details in this and I'm gonna give you some kudos. I

967
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,967
mean, you listened obviously at our last meeting because you made some changes.

968
01:27:13,033 --> 01:27:16,100
but I'm like, okay, where are the specifics on a couple of these items?

969
01:27:17,633 --> 01:27:20,900
the conservation deal, you've answered my question there. It's like, you've acknowledged,

970
01:27:21,767 --> 01:27:24,833
hey, look, you know what? I got to figure out how I want to do this. I do

971
01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:28,933
know that if you get galveston bay foundation or artist boat, or any

972
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,700
of those folks, you got to give them the land. And then you give them the money and they hope

973
01:27:35,833 --> 01:27:38,900
to do what you want them to do. So I'm going to be really interested to see how you come up

974
01:27:40,533 --> 01:27:42,167
with a plan for that. I don't think that it's all bad,

975
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,600
because everybody who would be living in your community certainly has a vested interest

976
01:27:50,333 --> 01:27:50,333
in those wetlands. So that'll

977
01:27:54,833 --> 01:27:56,600
be a good one. You're a smart guy. I know you'll figure that

978
01:27:58,900 --> 01:28:02,733
out. The workforce housing, it's like, man, if you're building 700 and you're telling me you're giving

979
01:28:04,767 --> 01:28:08,300
me 15 units that are going to be for workforce, that bone's been... Chewed on,

980
01:28:11,867 --> 01:28:15,267
pretty good. There's no meat there for me. Same thing with the sanitary capacity. So

981
01:28:17,233 --> 01:28:20,267
we're talking about, and I know that some of these are moving targets

982
01:28:21,567 --> 01:28:24,867
for you, but we're talking about capacity versus the area to build that. I doubt very

983
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:31,100
seriously that you're going to go put in the capacity for 1500 units when you only need

984
01:28:34,033 --> 01:28:35,967
it for seven. But more specifically,

985
01:28:38,967 --> 01:28:42,433
you're going to provide an area where that your capacity can be

986
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:50,100
expanded. You're not paying for that. You're going to pay for the capacity that goes

987
01:28:51,267 --> 01:28:52,500
for your development, but there'll be enough area there.

988
01:28:56,467 --> 01:29:00,200
let's just say your development requires a two acre footprint, just to pick a number. And

989
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,100
you're saying, hey, you know what, if ours requires a two acre footprint, we're willing

990
01:29:07,433 --> 01:29:11,033
to make the site four acres so that we could double the size of the plant. Would that be a

991
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:15,267
fair statement? Are you talking about building the capacity?

992
01:29:18,967 --> 01:29:22,000
no, not building it up front because they come in units. And we've hired a company

993
01:29:23,933 --> 01:29:26,167
to design, and the first unit is enough

994
01:29:28,933 --> 01:29:32,800
for 700 lots. Right. So you're talking about making sure that the area

995
01:29:34,333 --> 01:29:37,933
for this, where you're doing this is large enough to be expanded.

996
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,100
but you're not going to go put in double the capacity at your plant, okay? Just want

997
01:29:44,867 --> 01:29:47,900
to be clear on that. And the second tranche will be for the west end. Right. We

998
01:29:49,267 --> 01:29:52,200
want capacity down there. It only makes sense from our standpoint

999
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:58,033
to get the mud for all the capacity. That's

1000
01:29:59,267 --> 01:30:02,733
how all this started with jamaica beach. I went to them and said, hey, I'll run a line

1001
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,900
to you if you ever want it. Where they could have your problem, have problems,

1002
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,000
and you can always tap into our. So how would you handle the discharge permits?

1003
01:30:13,300 --> 01:30:16,067
are you gonna handle just barge permits for just your site? I would assume that you would

1004
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,000
know you'll go ask for it for the whole thing, okay, and look,

1005
01:30:22,300 --> 01:30:24,700
these are just some specifics. And I'm that's what I see is missing, and and some

1006
01:30:26,633 --> 01:30:29,867
of this, the minimum lot size. That one,

1007
01:30:32,067 --> 01:30:32,067
you know, jeff, I've seen the

1008
01:30:37,967 --> 01:30:39,067
stuff you've done in the past. It's admirable.

1009
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,200
the problem is, we all know what you did 20 years ago. The way the world

1010
01:30:47,067 --> 01:30:49,400
turns today is we want to know what you're going to do for us today. So, the

1011
01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:55,200
minimum lot size, just not having one,

1012
01:30:57,733 --> 01:30:59,500
I don't know why we would want to do that. Because I'm

1013
01:31:02,433 --> 01:31:05,700
standing here talking to you today, the mud... Gets put

1014
01:31:06,733 --> 01:31:08,767
in and I don't know who's going to be down there down the road. So if I just

1015
01:31:11,433 --> 01:31:12,767
give you carte blanche on minimum lot sizes,

1016
01:31:18,067 --> 01:31:20,800
I could be dealing with somebody else further down the road. So I just would

1017
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,267
like to see some specifics in that. Yes, sir, please. Is there a minimum lot size

1018
01:31:29,533 --> 01:31:32,533
in your plan? See, are all going to comply

1019
01:31:33,967 --> 01:31:35,267
with ldr because one of the one

1020
01:31:39,433 --> 01:31:41,133
of your deals deviations is to eliminate the lot size

1021
01:31:44,767 --> 01:31:48,733
requirement. So that's just in your zone 3, which is kind of in your, it is

1022
01:31:50,033 --> 01:31:50,033
in your core. Okay, all right,

1023
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,433
that helps me, that, that helps, but I hope you can kind of see what I'm looking

1024
01:32:03,967 --> 01:32:06,833
at this. My my quandary is what happens if we're dealing

1025
01:32:08,167 --> 01:32:10,133
with somebody else further down the road. And we have no lot size restrictions. And even

1026
01:32:14,467 --> 01:32:17,733
in r1, it's 1600. What the dimensions are, that's

1027
01:32:19,733 --> 01:32:23,233
in y'all's world. But I really think that needs to be considered. And then my

1028
01:32:26,467 --> 01:32:29,033
last question is this. When we do these, you know,

1029
01:32:31,167 --> 01:32:32,933
puds are very unique for galveston. And I can tell you,

1030
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:39,800
we've seen them where they've had a whole lot of deviations, much more than this. But

1031
01:32:42,067 --> 01:32:44,900
at the end of the day, it's a little bit of tit for tat. So it's like, okay,

1032
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:49,000
you're asking the city and its taxpayers and residents

1033
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,633
to give you something. My question is, what are you giving us? Are you

1034
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,933
asking me? I'm asking you, yeah. What are you giving me? If I give you everything you

1035
01:33:05,233 --> 01:33:05,233
want, what are you giving me?

1036
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:11,300
because it is a puds request, very unique. How do I approach

1037
01:33:13,633 --> 01:33:16,567
when I do projects later in my life? I tell you what I need

1038
01:33:18,333 --> 01:33:20,967
to do, and I do that. I don't play the famous zoning game

1039
01:33:24,267 --> 01:33:26,433
where I say I want 10,000 units and get here and negotiate. I

1040
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,267
just don't do that. Right. I mean, otherwise, I'd have laid out a plan, and I can show you

1041
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:37,433
plans that are laid out along boss smith road, and then the homeowners come, and they feel

1042
01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:41,233
like they win. That project is what I do. And so I'm not

1043
01:33:48,433 --> 01:33:52,267
negotiating anything because this is what I do. If you don't want what I do. Well, jeff, a

1044
01:33:54,167 --> 01:33:57,500
putt is a negotiation. You're here asking us for something. Correct. And in return,

1045
01:33:59,300 --> 01:34:02,667
I'm asking you, what are you giving me? Because this is a negotiation,

1046
01:34:05,033 --> 01:34:05,033
don't, don't, I, I, I, I, I

1047
01:34:09,733 --> 01:34:11,400
could tell you no when the negotiation's over. No, I, I,

1048
01:34:16,133 --> 01:34:19,500
I don't know what to give you. This is what it takes for me to build what, what you see,

1049
01:34:21,733 --> 01:34:25,100
the pretty picture. Okay. That's what it takes for me to do. All right. And that's a, that's a fair answer. Yes,

1050
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,200
ma'am. I'm sorry. I just want to, donna, for the record,

1051
01:34:30,833 --> 01:34:34,167
I just want to step in a little bit and say that. Puds are distinctive requests

1052
01:34:38,067 --> 01:34:42,033
and we look at them individually. I want

1053
01:34:44,167 --> 01:34:47,133
to be clear with the commissioners that we don't typically ask a pud applicant,

1054
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:53,200
what do you do for me? That's correct. What has been presented, as I've heard it,

1055
01:34:58,467 --> 01:35:02,200
provides the applicant's narrative in terms of a sanitary sewage site,

1056
01:35:06,167 --> 01:35:06,167
providing a conservation area,

1057
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,100
housing, et cetera. I mean, all these things the applicant

1058
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,867
could say I'm providing to the city. And that's fair. And I just want to tone it down

1059
01:35:25,167 --> 01:35:27,433
a little bit that this is not supposed to be a what do you do for me?

1060
01:35:29,367 --> 01:35:31,200
so I can give you this pud. That's not the way. The

1061
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,500
commissioners are to review these cases. But donna, I didn't take... And I

1062
01:35:37,833 --> 01:35:39,000
understand what you're saying, but I just want to make sure

1063
01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:44,067
that we're consistent in how we review cases and the verbiage

1064
01:35:46,967 --> 01:35:46,967
that we use. I understand.

1065
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,367
okay. But puds are very unique in that they are a rare example

1066
01:35:58,833 --> 01:35:58,833
where... If you came

1067
01:36:03,533 --> 01:36:06,533
in and you just follow the ldr, you know what, jeff, you get to go do your thing. So here

1068
01:36:08,967 --> 01:36:08,967
you are, you want a deviation.

1069
01:36:13,867 --> 01:36:17,533
I'll answer your question. So, okay. I've already negotiated against myself

1070
01:36:20,967 --> 01:36:21,900
by not putting any lots down. Bob smith road. If I'd have

1071
01:36:25,233 --> 01:36:29,233
done that first and then you'd have negotiated that away. I'll figure out some sort of deed

1072
01:36:30,367 --> 01:36:33,167
restriction that nothing can get built on the wetlands. I've got

1073
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:36,867
to figure out how to do the conservation easement. It's a

1074
01:36:40,433 --> 01:36:43,200
little bit more complicated. I did the last one myself, so I know how it works. The

1075
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,833
units that we have here, typically you want to negotiate

1076
01:36:52,233 --> 01:36:55,500
with units. I need more units for the amount of... Amenities

1077
01:36:58,133 --> 01:36:59,400
that this project have, I actually need more units,

1078
01:37:02,933 --> 01:37:04,167
because this is heavy on the amenity side.

1079
01:37:07,267 --> 01:37:10,100
wastewater is fair. I mean, we're going to give enough land that you can expand to,

1080
01:37:17,667 --> 01:37:20,267
I forgot what it is, less than 03,000 home sites, which would take care of the

1081
01:37:21,700 --> 01:37:25,600
west end and if jamaica beach ever came inside. How much area do you think it's going to take to do that? How much

1082
01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:29,133
area will it take to do? You're at three acres right now?

1083
01:37:36,033 --> 01:37:38,667
okay, so would it be fair to say that for you to do just your piece of it,

1084
01:37:40,133 --> 01:37:42,800
it would be an acre and a half? Would that be a fair assessment? Okay, okay. All

1085
01:37:48,733 --> 01:37:51,767
right. And look, mr. Blackard, I'm not trying to.

1086
01:37:53,367 --> 01:37:56,733
brow beats you. I'm just, it is,

1087
01:37:57,767 --> 01:38:00,400
it's a very unique situation for the city where we get to go ask for something. We

1088
01:38:01,867 --> 01:38:05,767
don't always get to do that. And that's why I asked the question. And, you know,

1089
01:38:08,067 --> 01:38:10,467
there's a combination of things that do make up part of, you

1090
01:38:13,133 --> 01:38:17,033
know, your tit for tat. So I appreciate your patience and answer my question. So that's

1091
01:38:18,633 --> 01:38:21,800
all I have. One last thing about zero setbacks and all of that. I said, in the last

1092
01:38:23,967 --> 01:38:26,900
20 years, I showed you what I did here 20 years ago, but in the last 20 years, I've built projects

1093
01:38:28,833 --> 01:38:31,633
doing those zero setbacks and zero side yards. You can go see, or we can send you videos

1094
01:38:33,633 --> 01:38:35,267
on how it functions. I've seen them. They're impressive. I

1095
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:41,567
mean, kudos to you. Yes, please. So when, you know, let's say we get to the point

1096
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,200
you'll build the sewer treatment plant, who owns that? They're giving

1097
01:38:48,133 --> 01:38:51,133
that to the city? We'll own it. The city will. Maintain or take it when it's time to take,

1098
01:38:54,333 --> 01:38:56,200
just like I did with mud 29. Okay. Thank you all, right?

1099
01:39:00,333 --> 01:39:03,167
any other questions? Yes, please stand. Well, appreciate you giving us the insight

1100
01:39:05,633 --> 01:39:09,200
on all that. One of the things that you kind of touched on a little earlier

1101
01:39:10,833 --> 01:39:14,133
at the beginning of your presentation, you said you kind of come back to that later, and I think we

1102
01:39:14,967 --> 01:39:18,800
may have forgotten about it. I almost did, except I wrote it down. Short-term rentals and what

1103
01:39:19,867 --> 01:39:22,767
your what your thoughts on short-term rentals in your... Jed can answer that.

1104
01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:25,367
we have plenty of restrictions. I mean,

1105
01:39:29,533 --> 01:39:33,300
we can show you copies of them. And we're in a first-lane position,

1106
01:39:34,633 --> 01:39:38,200
so most problems with short-term rental is that they don't have an enforcement arm, meaning they're not first-lane

1107
01:39:40,067 --> 01:39:42,467
position. So those will go in place day one. Okay. I think

1108
01:39:46,133 --> 01:39:49,267
that's good for people to know. Thank you. Alright. Anybody else? All right, mr.

1109
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,600
blackard, thank you. If we have some more questions,

1110
01:39:55,733 --> 01:39:59,033
we'll come back to you. Let's take a quick break. Is everybody good with that?

1111
01:40:01,133 --> 01:40:03,100
like, five minutes, and then we'll come back, and then we'll get to hear

1112
01:40:05,533 --> 01:40:05,533
from everybody. All right. Can

1113
01:40:13,133 --> 01:40:14,233
I have your attention, please? Can I have your...

1114
01:40:17,267 --> 01:40:17,267
don't make me do this. That's

1115
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:25,533
my favorite thing to do. All right. So now we're going

1116
01:40:27,767 --> 01:40:31,433
to get to hear from everybody. What we're going to do is we're going to start on this side

1117
01:40:32,333 --> 01:40:35,067
of the room. We're going to start... Yes, ma'am. Please, please do. For staff

1118
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:41,700
over there. The whispering ladies over there. I have a question for you. The majority

1119
01:40:42,767 --> 01:40:45,367
of this property is resrec right now zoned, correct? What

1120
01:40:46,867 --> 01:40:49,800
are the restrictions under resrec? Like, what can somebody

1121
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:52,900
build in that area? What are the restrictions? It's a long

1122
01:40:58,767 --> 01:40:58,767
list. As far as like setbacks

1123
01:41:06,367 --> 01:41:10,033
in like the size of it? How does that compare

1124
01:41:11,167 --> 01:41:14,067
with what this applicant wants to do? Okay, sorry

1125
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,100
about that. Mike issues, your question is,

1126
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,400
what are the lot standards? And how does that compare with what this applicant is asking

1127
01:41:26,467 --> 01:41:28,900
to do with the new zoning? Under the current ldrs for

1128
01:41:31,467 --> 01:41:34,100
resrec, which is the majority of this property,

1129
01:41:35,567 --> 01:41:38,833
what could... Someone who purchased it do with that property? So the lot

1130
01:41:43,867 --> 01:41:47,433
standards are it's a minimum of 4,000 square feet, with a 40 foot wide lot and 50 foot

1131
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:54,233
of depth. So those are minimum standards. Setbacks is a zero

1132
01:41:57,133 --> 01:42:00,567
front setback, a side setback of three feet, and a rear setback of 10 feet.

1133
01:42:04,700 --> 01:42:08,300
now we would need to go to land use table. Which is in a different section

1134
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:12,100
of the code, but there's a, you know, a table of a long table of uses. And

1135
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,667
you just look at the use and look if it's allowed, if it's, you know, if it's a permitted

1136
01:42:20,233 --> 01:42:23,600
use or limited use. In res rec and look and look for that, but there are, I mean, it's

1137
01:42:24,933 --> 01:42:27,333
res rec is is designed to allow for multiple uses. So

1138
01:42:32,933 --> 01:42:35,667
there there is a lot. They. It's not that they couldn't do what they're proposing

1139
01:42:37,167 --> 01:42:40,933
with the current zoning, it's just the layout. It's where they would do it because

1140
01:42:41,900 --> 01:42:44,333
you have multiple zoning districts with different standards or the law. So that

1141
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:50,067
is my understanding of why they're trying to get it under a pud so they can achieve the desired layout.

1142
01:42:57,733 --> 01:43:01,100
alright, anybody else? Then we're going to open the public hearing. So

1143
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,667
what we're going to do is we're going to start on this side at the front and we're going to move to the back. And then

1144
01:43:07,967 --> 01:43:11,767
we'll move over to this side. So come forward, sign in, state your name. You get three

1145
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:15,700
minutes, and your time starts now.

1146
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:17,867
better, write, faster. I'm kidding. Oh, I

1147
01:43:25,700 --> 01:43:29,233
should state for the record that commissioner humphreys had to leave, so he's not going

1148
01:43:31,767 --> 01:43:34,867
to be here for our final vote, but we still have a quorum. So we're good there. All right.

1149
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:39,400
yes, ma'am. Good afternoon. Good evening,

1150
01:43:40,767 --> 01:43:42,900
almost commissioners. My name is shereen quintero, and I am a

1151
01:43:44,867 --> 01:43:46,800
retired educator who chose jamaica beach as my forever

1152
01:43:48,900 --> 01:43:52,633
home two years ago. I appreciate the opportunity to speak today. I'd like to

1153
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,733
briefly reference a case that came before this commission on september the 16th, 2025.

1154
01:44:00,700 --> 01:44:00,700
it was item 25p as in paul

1155
01:44:06,767 --> 01:44:10,167
031. This is a request for a planned unit development to allow a single home

1156
01:44:11,667 --> 01:44:13,133
on the beach to host small, private, invitation-only

1157
01:44:16,667 --> 01:44:18,067
events, such as weddings and gatherings. That request was

1158
01:44:21,167 --> 01:44:24,267
ultimately denied, largely due to concerns about its potential impact

1159
01:44:26,167 --> 01:44:28,567
on nearby homes, specifically traffic, noise, lighting. And

1160
01:44:31,333 --> 01:44:34,300
overall compatibility with the surrounding area. What stood out in that

1161
01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:40,633
discussion was the care and seriousness given to protecting the character of the neighborhood and the

1162
01:44:42,967 --> 01:44:46,533
quality of life for nearby residents. That level

1163
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:51,133
of thoughtfulness matters, and it's something we truly, truly appreciate from y'all.

1164
01:44:54,567 --> 01:44:58,100
today, we are asking that same level of consideration. Be applied to the proposed

1165
01:44:59,633 --> 01:45:02,633
discovery sands development. This is a much larger project

1166
01:45:05,267 --> 01:45:08,633
with significantly greater potential impacts, not only in terms of traffic, lighting,

1167
01:45:10,367 --> 01:45:14,367
and noise, but also increased tourism activity, broader land use flexibility,

1168
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,700
and long-term effects on the surrounding community and the environment. Our intent is not

1169
01:45:22,967 --> 01:45:25,200
to oppose development. We understand growth as part

1170
01:45:29,467 --> 01:45:31,500
of the future of galveston. However, we do believe that

1171
01:45:34,333 --> 01:45:38,200
consistency in how projects are evaluated is critical. If concerns about neighborhood

1172
01:45:39,867 --> 01:45:42,800
impact were important in the case of a single home hosting limited events, then we

1173
01:45:45,133 --> 01:45:48,500
respectfully ask that those same concerns be carefully and thoroughly evaluated,

1174
01:45:50,167 --> 01:45:52,633
if not more so, for a development

1175
01:45:54,367 --> 01:45:58,167
of this scale. We simply ask that the same standards, the same level of scrutiny,

1176
01:45:59,900 --> 01:46:03,100
and the same commitment to protecting existing residents be applied here. Thank you

1177
01:46:04,967 --> 01:46:08,333
for your time and for your continued dedication to thoughtful planning

1178
01:46:10,867 --> 01:46:14,233
for the future of galveston. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right. Next. Good

1179
01:46:35,633 --> 01:46:39,033
afternoon, commission. I am melissa joseph. I live in the city of jamaica beach

1180
01:46:40,167 --> 01:46:43,333
and I proudly serve as a city council member. I'm here today, not just as a representative

1181
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:48,233
of jamaica beach, but as a voice for a neighboring community. That will directly bear the

1182
01:46:49,067 --> 01:46:50,967
impact of what you decide here today regarding the discovery

1183
01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:57,100
sands development. Let me be very clear. This is not just another development proposal.

1184
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,000
this is a request to dismantle the very zoning protections

1185
01:47:03,067 --> 01:47:06,567
actions. That are meant to safeguard coastal communities, ours included. And once you

1186
01:47:07,300 --> 01:47:10,400
open that door, you will not be able to close it. Our vision in jamaica beach is simple and

1187
01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:14,767
intentional. Together, we envision our community as a

1188
01:47:16,133 --> 01:47:19,967
safe coastal paradise, where, with sandy feet, we live, work, play, and find peace. What is

1189
01:47:21,267 --> 01:47:24,333
being proposed next to us threatens every part of that. What this dallas

1190
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,300
developer is proposing is not a neighborhood. This is not modest growth. This is

1191
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,700
high-intensity lagoon attraction wrapped in a long list of exceptions,

1192
01:47:38,233 --> 01:47:40,367
exceptions that override the rules everyone else is expected to follow. Let's call this what

1193
01:47:43,167 --> 01:47:45,300
it is. They want to eliminate lot-sized limits and setbacks

1194
01:47:48,167 --> 01:47:50,467
so that they can pack more into less space. They want to

1195
01:47:52,367 --> 01:47:55,933
build higher than what's allowed, changing the very character of the west end skyline. They

1196
01:47:58,033 --> 01:48:01,600
want to cut parking in half without answering the most basic question, where are all those cars going

1197
01:48:03,433 --> 01:48:05,900
to be? And where are they going to go? Not to mention the traffic,

1198
01:48:07,633 --> 01:48:10,700
particularly when there are hurricanes and evacuations. They want to remove buffers

1199
01:48:13,500 --> 01:48:16,300
between residential and commercial uses, placing homes next to bars,

1200
01:48:17,733 --> 01:48:21,633
retail, and entertainment. That is not thoughtful planning. That is a free-for-all. And then there's

1201
01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:26,433
the most alarming piece of all. They want to count wetlands as part of their development density. I

1202
01:48:27,867 --> 01:48:31,600
know mr. Blackard, to me, today he keeps changing his presentation and he keeps

1203
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:37,233
taking a different stand on wetlands, particularly when he first presented this to our jamaica beach city

1204
01:48:38,333 --> 01:48:41,500
council and to this last meeting that he held for you all. Wetlands are not

1205
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:46,267
vacant land. They are not optional. They are natural infrastructure that protects

1206
01:48:47,533 --> 01:48:51,367
all of us from flooding and storm surge. When you compromise wetlands,

1207
01:48:52,633 --> 01:48:56,067
you are not just impacting this site, you are increasing risk for surrounding communities.

1208
01:48:57,900 --> 01:49:01,700
like mine, you are shifting that risk onto existing homeowners who had no seat at

1209
01:49:02,867 --> 01:49:06,667
the table when this was designed, and for what? So, one developer can maximize profit

1210
01:49:08,133 --> 01:49:11,867
by rewriting your rules, because that's what this is. This is not

1211
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:15,533
about compatibility, it's about exceptions, massive, sweeping exceptions. And here's

1212
01:49:18,533 --> 01:49:21,400
the reality. If you approve this, you are setting a precedent.

1213
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:26,467
not just for the city of galveston, but for the island where jamaica beach is on. Every developer

1214
01:49:28,733 --> 01:49:30,100
who comes after this point to the, will, will it,

1215
01:49:32,867 --> 01:49:36,367
I'm sorry. Every developer who comes after will point to this moment and ask for the same treatment.

1216
01:49:38,733 --> 01:49:38,733
sorry. Thank you. Man. Hold on,

1217
01:49:55,100 --> 01:49:55,100
I'm checking for my wallet.

1218
01:49:59,233 --> 01:49:59,233
yeah, hello. Hello. I'm

1219
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,633
heather owens, a homeowner in jamaica beach. I've had family

1220
01:50:19,567 --> 01:50:20,933
on this island since the 60s, and although my address is in

1221
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,700
jamaica beach, I am a proud galvestonian. We value our

1222
01:50:27,733 --> 01:50:30,733
wetlands, wildlife, and have a strong sense

1223
01:50:32,267 --> 01:50:35,667
of community, things that this proposal puts at risk. But I'm here to address specifically what blackerton company is asking

1224
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:40,367
of you, the blatant disregard for the city's land use regulations. Despite its

1225
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:46,533
marketing language, this proposal dismantles established developmental standards in favor of broad,

1226
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:52,533
unconstrained entitlements. It replaces clear zoning protections with vague

1227
01:50:54,100 --> 01:50:57,467
flexibility that benefits the developer while shifting risk onto the community. To clarify, I am not

1228
01:51:00,133 --> 01:51:03,767
against progress in galveston, but I am against irresponsible development

1229
01:51:05,233 --> 01:51:08,633
by companies who come to the island and think that regulations don't apply to them. Most concerning is the

1230
01:51:09,733 --> 01:51:13,567
elimination of dimensional standards. Removing these lot sizes and setbacks is reckless. It

1231
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:18,600
invites overbuilding at this developer's discretion, rather than codified protection. The proposed height

1232
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,033
allowances are equally troubling. This claimed 50-foot limit that he states in his

1233
01:51:25,267 --> 01:51:28,000
cover letter becomes meaningless when submitted, with requests to increase to

1234
01:51:30,533 --> 01:51:33,567
10 to 20 feet higher. That is, in essence, 70 feet, and yet it

1235
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:38,267
says building height is now capped at 50 feet. In r1 and r2 zones. The parking

1236
01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:44,633
plan is speculative. Reducing parking by up to 50% relies on unrealistic expectations.

1237
01:51:46,433 --> 01:51:50,267
equally problematic is removing screening requirements. Without buffers,

1238
01:51:51,500 --> 01:51:55,433
land use conflicts between residential and commercial are inevitable. The regulations require buffering

1239
01:51:56,667 --> 01:52:00,567
between incompatible uses for a reason. This proposal justifies sweeping changes

1240
01:52:01,667 --> 01:52:04,300
using this vague european village concept, while expanding permitted use is far

1241
01:52:06,033 --> 01:52:09,733
beyond the scope of the the current zoning. 77 separate uses are proposed

1242
01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:11,500
in this article 2 the uses 77

1243
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:19,167
uses are proposed. And when comparing these 77 uses that they're proposing

1244
01:52:23,367 --> 01:52:26,467
to the ldr table 2.201. Only six of them are permitted out

1245
01:52:28,367 --> 01:52:30,767
of 77 out of 77 uses. Only nine are permitted

1246
01:52:32,867 --> 01:52:36,000
in an r2 zone that is 60 and 54 uses that are flat

1247
01:52:38,300 --> 01:52:40,500
out prohibited, according to the land development

1248
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,967
regulations. Can you actually recommend a development that ignores so many established

1249
01:52:47,333 --> 01:52:50,267
protections the city has put in place? You'll be writing a blank check to a developer that

1250
01:52:51,700 --> 01:52:55,333
island residents, their homes, and their livelihoods will end up paying. Together, these

1251
01:52:56,467 --> 01:53:00,300
deviations are not minor adjustments. They represent a complete rewriting of the rules. The pudf has

1252
01:53:01,533 --> 01:53:05,167
decided to try proven standards for speculative promises. Without sufficient safeguards,

1253
01:53:06,467 --> 01:53:10,433
enforceability, or accountability. Approving this pud sets a dangerous precedent

1254
01:53:11,533 --> 01:53:15,300
for future developments. And for all these reasons, I strongly encourage you not to recommend... Thank you.

1255
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,033
hello, I'm marcy kurtz-hoffman. I'm a lot less organized than the ladies.

1256
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:47,633
prior to me, it's been a long month since

1257
01:53:50,500 --> 01:53:54,300
the last time we were here. I wanted to kind of just drive home my main point in a brief sentence. I'm

1258
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,533
not sure if you guys have ever thought about it this way, but you know the population of the west end total? I think

1259
01:54:01,933 --> 01:54:05,000
it's around 10,000 total. So this development is going

1260
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,067
to bring about 5,000 people into an area smaller than jamaica beach. So we've already

1261
01:54:11,700 --> 01:54:15,167
discussed all the nitpicky reasons as to why that's not going

1262
01:54:16,533 --> 01:54:18,767
to work out for us on the west end, but having that be your

1263
01:54:21,467 --> 01:54:24,267
neighbor when you move there, and it's a pasture on one side in the state park is very

1264
01:54:27,133 --> 01:54:30,367
concerning. It's never been addressed what's going to happen to the rv park. I

1265
01:54:31,500 --> 01:54:35,000
guess it just gets dissolved. I'm not sure if they're okay with that. I guess not. They haven't spoken yet,

1266
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:40,000
but that's concerning. If we want to do tit for tat. Our street lights,

1267
01:54:40,967 --> 01:54:44,400
the picture that you were shown today, that was a daylight picture that was shown. I think two of those lights work on

1268
01:54:45,467 --> 01:54:47,333
bob smith, so it's not infiltrated with street lights.

1269
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:51,333
in your criteria number four for your approval, the range

1270
01:54:54,700 --> 01:54:58,467
of uses and the character of the development that is allowed by the proposed zone will be compatible with the properties

1271
01:54:59,833 --> 01:55:02,433
in the immediate vicinity of the parcel proposed for rezoning. It doesn't work.

1272
01:55:05,900 --> 01:55:09,767
that does not match the character of the west end of this island. We are. On the west end, you see

1273
01:55:11,167 --> 01:55:14,100
european villages, you don't, you see beach houses, because we are a beach, we're

1274
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:19,467
on an island. Um, and I understand the dilemma and you guys are put in. And some comments that were made

1275
01:55:20,567 --> 01:55:22,267
from the last time were that, um, you know, you have

1276
01:55:25,267 --> 01:55:28,900
to have specific reasons for refusing this, um, but in the way that it felt as what

1277
01:55:30,233 --> 01:55:33,900
you were saying is like, a developer can come in and develop this, however they want

1278
01:55:35,767 --> 01:55:39,000
in the regulations that it is. And it could be a lot worse. Feels like you're trying

1279
01:55:39,833 --> 01:55:42,233
to change opinions of people and use that as a way to say it could be worse.

1280
01:55:45,967 --> 01:55:49,800
that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about what's in front

1281
01:55:50,867 --> 01:55:54,033
of you today. And also saying that, you know,

1282
01:55:55,333 --> 01:55:58,467
we're only using 170 acres of it. I think you've all seen the aerial views of that. That land

1283
01:56:00,933 --> 01:56:04,033
is water. That land is so much water all the time that no matter what happens there,

1284
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,900
it's going to have to be changed significantly. So I don't know if

1285
01:56:09,833 --> 01:56:12,933
environmental impact assessments will be done with this, where it goes

1286
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:17,867
from here, but I do hope that you take your role very heavily and don't just pass it on. So

1287
01:56:18,933 --> 01:56:22,167
that you don't have the responsibility of dealing with the thousands of people that are opposed.

1288
01:56:23,900 --> 01:56:27,767
to this. So thank you for your time and listening to everyone. I know it's a lot. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate

1289
01:56:30,367 --> 01:56:31,667
you coming out. All right. Next up, don't be scared. Good

1290
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:55,733
evening, commissioners. My name is jacob hupp with the galveston bay foundation. I

1291
01:56:58,367 --> 01:57:02,367
want to highlight a key inconsistency that I think requires further consideration and clarification. We've heard

1292
01:57:04,067 --> 01:57:07,167
that this site could support approximately 2,100 units, by right, but

1293
01:57:08,533 --> 01:57:11,733
at the same time, the applicant is requesting significant exemptions, eliminating lot size and

1294
01:57:12,767 --> 01:57:15,500
setback requirements, and modifying density standards to build 790 units. That raises

1295
01:57:16,867 --> 01:57:19,100
an important question. If 02,100 units are truly

1296
01:57:21,567 --> 01:57:25,467
achievable, why are these fundamental exemptions necessary for a much smaller project?

1297
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,533
at a minimum, this suggests that the 2,100 unit figure may be more theoretical than practical and

1298
01:57:32,833 --> 01:57:35,933
may not reflect the real constraints of the site. Before relying

1299
01:57:37,233 --> 01:57:40,000
on that number as a baseline, I urge the commission to ask for clearer evidence

1300
01:57:41,733 --> 01:57:44,267
to gain a clearer understanding of what can actually be built. In reality, given the site's

1301
01:57:45,833 --> 01:57:49,100
physical and regulatory limitations, and consider why the applicant requires

1302
01:57:50,233 --> 01:57:53,600
exemptions to build 790 units. If the applicant can develop the 790 unit project

1303
01:57:55,333 --> 01:57:57,900
without the pud, as stated, then that's how they should

1304
01:57:59,467 --> 01:58:02,367
proceed. The galveston bay foundation remains concerned about impacts to wetlands,

1305
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:07,333
inevitable non-point source runoff, impacts to storm resilience

1306
01:58:08,667 --> 01:58:12,333
on the island, and the need for protection of the significant public restoration investments made nearby and

1307
01:58:13,933 --> 01:58:15,533
within the proposed site. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

1308
01:58:21,300 --> 01:58:21,300
you. All right, next. Next row

1309
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:25,400
back. Yes, sir. Good afternoon

1310
01:58:45,267 --> 01:58:46,933
or good evening. My name is alan. I'm a part-time resident

1311
01:58:50,500 --> 01:58:53,100
of jamaica beach and I appreciate all the good points

1312
01:58:54,733 --> 01:58:58,000
that were made today. I'm here to speak on behalf of the

1313
01:59:00,500 --> 01:59:03,667
ecosystem and its inhabitants. When you're an outdoorsman, a

1314
01:59:06,067 --> 01:59:07,933
fisherman, a lover of nature, all wildlife, everything wild,

1315
01:59:11,133 --> 01:59:13,833
you have more of a tendency to look around

1316
01:59:16,667 --> 01:59:20,033
at the ecosystem. And everything that it involves, the birds, the gators, the

1317
01:59:22,133 --> 01:59:22,133
snakes, the ghost wolves. I've

1318
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:30,033
got picture after picture of all the animals that I've seen in these marshes and I

1319
01:59:31,833 --> 01:59:34,267
from set from april through september. I live

1320
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,967
in those marshes. Exactly where the footprint of this property is going

1321
01:59:42,333 --> 01:59:45,867
to be. I know every inch of those shorelines, I know what is underwater there.

1322
01:59:48,433 --> 01:59:49,800
there's oyster reefs, there's seagrasses that taxpayer

1323
01:59:53,900 --> 01:59:57,200
dollars were put in to build these little barrier islands and to do grass restoration

1324
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:02,367
for the wildlife. To be out there and see this and appreciate what it has

1325
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:08,533
to offer, I see migratory birds coming

1326
02:00:10,300 --> 02:00:12,100
in, I see the birds nesting on these islands. And now we're

1327
02:00:14,900 --> 02:00:18,267
talking about bringing in this waterways. These waterways, the one where this

1328
02:00:20,133 --> 02:00:23,533
little peninsula sticks out, I don't see that. There's enough width there

1329
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:27,633
to even put houses on without building up the property. And

1330
02:00:29,867 --> 02:00:33,267
right off the shores, the north and south shores of that peninsula alone,

1331
02:00:34,967 --> 02:00:38,467
the seagrasses are there. Galveston bay system has struggled

1332
02:00:39,467 --> 02:00:42,867
to put seagrasses back into place. And here we are, we're going to set that back now, because

1333
02:00:44,100 --> 02:00:47,933
the boat traffic is going to increase out there. I've already seen a few jet skis

1334
02:00:49,300 --> 02:00:52,433
back in there. I very seldom, up to now, in all the years

1335
02:00:53,533 --> 02:00:56,733
that I've been fishing those marshes for the last 13 years, we've owned that place

1336
02:00:58,500 --> 02:01:01,300
for a long time, but for all the years that I've fished out there,

1337
02:01:03,267 --> 02:01:06,433
I very seldom see a boat. It's undisturbed, the wildlife has run

1338
02:01:07,867 --> 02:01:11,167
of the land. And it just concerns me with what's going to happen. They're going

1339
02:01:12,267 --> 02:01:15,467
to have, I'm showing boat docks, they're going to have to have proposed areas and dredge

1340
02:01:16,767 --> 02:01:19,400
waterways for these boats to get out

1341
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:22,500
into the big open water bays. And it just concerns me

1342
02:01:25,033 --> 02:01:28,067
for the future of the wildlife and all its inhabitants in the back as well. So I

1343
02:01:30,300 --> 02:01:32,367
appreciate your time. All right. Could have included a

1344
02:01:36,667 --> 02:01:39,500
fishing report. Alright, next person. There's no fish

1345
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:40,800
in there. Alright. Hi, I'm

1346
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:59,000
emily evans and I live in jamaica beach, and I'm a little bit less nervous than I was

1347
02:02:00,167 --> 02:02:02,967
last time speaking. I just want to give you all a little bit of

1348
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:09,267
perspective if you haven't thought about it. Had this project been funded with any federal dollars, an

1349
02:02:11,233 --> 02:02:14,033
environmental impact statement would have had to been done. And that's through the epa,

1350
02:02:16,167 --> 02:02:17,900
u.s. Fish and wildlife, and two other agencies. They're not

1351
02:02:21,667 --> 02:02:25,333
requesting federal funds, but they are requesting city taxpayers. And even as a jamaica beach resident,

1352
02:02:26,700 --> 02:02:28,800
I pay taxes to the city of galveston as well. Had it been,

1353
02:02:35,967 --> 02:02:39,800
sorry, another federal point is in 2023, family from idaho,

1354
02:02:43,333 --> 02:02:43,333
sackett versus the epa. They

1355
02:02:47,533 --> 02:02:47,533
sued the epa over their clean

1356
02:02:51,900 --> 02:02:55,400
water act, section 404, which prohibited them from filling or dredging a riparian wetland,

1357
02:02:56,667 --> 02:02:59,667
which is by a river. That supreme court case set a precedence. For all

1358
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,933
of our wetlands, all of our marshlands, and our coastal wetlands have a

1359
02:03:05,267 --> 02:03:06,567
completely different function than old riverine wetlands.

1360
02:03:10,533 --> 02:03:13,400
creating posters, I'll be putting them all around town. What I really

1361
02:03:15,633 --> 02:03:18,567
think this island in general needs is more education about the functions

1362
02:03:19,867 --> 02:03:22,900
of our wetlands. Like I said last time, we don't have pumps on the

1363
02:03:24,500 --> 02:03:27,300
west end. Our homes, I'm on a dry lot, so luckily I don't get all

1364
02:03:28,733 --> 02:03:32,100
of the beach and bayfront water coming up into my property. But if we put 120 feet

1365
02:03:34,233 --> 02:03:36,533
of development sitting on these wetlands, just... The

1366
02:03:38,867 --> 02:03:42,833
submersion of the land alone will invite the saltwater in from either side. That's my

1367
02:03:44,733 --> 02:03:47,100
point on the wetlands. I hope that you consider it. Think

1368
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:50,867
about if the city of galveston could determine what's best

1369
02:03:54,300 --> 02:03:58,100
for our island. Not galveston county economic development partnerships, but what's best

1370
02:04:00,500 --> 02:04:04,467
for this island is to protect wetlands that we have. There are free mitigation. It's not

1371
02:04:06,900 --> 02:04:08,233
concrete canvases. It's not. Pump stations, they're free.

1372
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:16,567
we need to protect them as much as possible. And remember that the u.s. Army corps of engineers, their hands are

1373
02:04:18,367 --> 02:04:21,333
tied. If you do a quick search, what happened to texas wetlands after 2023, sackett versus the

1374
02:04:24,100 --> 02:04:27,333
epa, it brings a long stream of items. And one of them is down in cameron county. For

1375
02:04:29,333 --> 02:04:31,700
spacex, for rapid development of projects that some feel need

1376
02:04:35,667 --> 02:04:39,000
to be eliminated. Regulations based on the needs

1377
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:43,167
of the town and of the land, but I think we need

1378
02:04:45,333 --> 02:04:49,200
to keep our wetlands. Thank you all right, you did a great,

1379
02:04:50,700 --> 02:04:51,800
great job there. Emily. All right. Next. Good evening.

1380
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:12,567
thank you, commissioner, for the opportunity for us to visit with you a little bit. My name

1381
02:05:14,867 --> 02:05:16,133
is richard white. I'm a resident of jamaica beach. I'm

1382
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:22,200
on the east side of jamaica beach, which is nice because I get to look out over the state

1383
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:26,267
park every morning and every evening and during the day. I agree

1384
02:05:31,667 --> 02:05:34,767
with a lot of the comments that are made here, but my major comment is that this project

1385
02:05:37,133 --> 02:05:39,267
really lacks a lot of specificity. I think from

1386
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:45,733
the first meeting that was held here that I attended, that there have been some more

1387
02:05:47,767 --> 02:05:50,067
specifics put in, but to me, there's still a lot of gaps

1388
02:05:52,067 --> 02:05:55,633
in that specificity. The only other issue, and I imagine that

1389
02:05:58,233 --> 02:06:00,500
this commission is not really involved in that, is really the

1390
02:06:03,233 --> 02:06:03,233
permitting involved. I've not

1391
02:06:07,700 --> 02:06:10,833
heard anything about any of that activity that mr. Blackard's organization has

1392
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:19,467
been involved with for this project. We've seen

1393
02:06:21,767 --> 02:06:23,667
that from other projects, and I can understand, I think I

1394
02:06:25,833 --> 02:06:26,933
understand why things are not more specific, and that is

1395
02:06:32,767 --> 02:06:34,933
that, mr. Blackard is a bit of an artist. And he likes to

1396
02:06:37,833 --> 02:06:41,033
have some artistic interpretation of properties that he builds.

1397
02:06:43,333 --> 02:06:45,033
and I appreciate that, but still... Terms

1398
02:06:49,900 --> 02:06:49,900
of setting a precedent, that's

1399
02:06:54,900 --> 02:06:56,033
something I think that commissioners should consider

1400
02:06:59,733 --> 02:07:02,367
greatly if you're approving something without a great deal

1401
02:07:04,167 --> 02:07:07,733
of specificity. So thank you for your time, appreciate that, thank you sir, appreciate your

1402
02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:10,600
comments. I brought my own pen.

1403
02:07:21,233 --> 02:07:21,233
we'll let you take it then. My

1404
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:29,933
name is jim haywood. I've been a resident of jamaica beach for the last 10 years, and I

1405
02:07:33,167 --> 02:07:36,933
understand that there will be development in various parts of the island. I just have a

1406
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:42,767
simple statement that I hope you take into consideration as this moves forward. It's a

1407
02:07:45,133 --> 02:07:47,733
simple statement that I learned from an educator that I had a

1408
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,500
long time ago. The further you deviate from the way that things naturally occur, the

1409
02:07:55,433 --> 02:07:57,033
more dire the consequences will be. That's my statement. Thank

1410
02:08:00,267 --> 02:08:00,267
you. Hi, my name is deborah

1411
02:08:26,267 --> 02:08:28,000
haywood, wife of that man. He and I moved to jamaica beach

1412
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:36,600
from ohio about ten and a half years ago. He doesn't remember. We chose

1413
02:08:38,033 --> 02:08:41,200
the west end because of the character of the island. So what I have to say is really more

1414
02:08:42,333 --> 02:08:45,067
from the heart than, you know, technicalities. I don't really

1415
02:08:47,367 --> 02:08:50,767
think there's any reason to repeat all the issues that we feel there are

1416
02:08:52,267 --> 02:08:54,800
with this development. And for the life of me, I don't understand. Why the

1417
02:08:56,300 --> 02:08:59,933
commission would approve this proposal and all the multiple variances for such an

1418
02:09:02,033 --> 02:09:03,667
environment environmentally sensitive area? While it's true

1419
02:09:06,533 --> 02:09:09,667
that, you know, that will probably ultimately be

1420
02:09:11,367 --> 02:09:14,933
developed over there. I hope that when that happens, that it would be consistent

1421
02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:22,133
with the character of the west end and the reasons why we chose to live on the west end. Kind of, lastly... I'd

1422
02:09:24,433 --> 02:09:27,633
like to invite mr. Blackard to meet any of us

1423
02:09:29,133 --> 02:09:31,000
around a half an hour before sunset on bob smith

1424
02:09:36,433 --> 02:09:38,633
road, with a cocktail and a golf cart ride. To see the sunsets and the beauty

1425
02:09:40,467 --> 02:09:44,167
of that piece of land there, and to see one of the things that he is asking us

1426
02:09:45,733 --> 02:09:47,800
to give up. Thanks so much. Thank you. All right,

1427
02:09:52,433 --> 02:09:55,033
next row. Anybody on the next row? Don't be

1428
02:09:56,733 --> 02:09:59,833
bashful. Alright, anybody else on this side? Here we go.

1429
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:22,733
hello. I had a lot of stuff prepared, but... It

1430
02:10:25,467 --> 02:10:27,600
got all butchered up, so here we go. I'm ad-libbing.

1431
02:10:29,967 --> 02:10:33,033
anyway, the developer made some changes that should be acknowledged. They added a

1432
02:10:35,233 --> 02:10:38,100
couple of requirements resembling r1 in one of the new planning areas,

1433
02:10:39,733 --> 02:10:43,233
removed the maximum lighting deviation overall, and engaged drainage, environmental, and traffic consultants.

1434
02:10:47,233 --> 02:10:49,733
but issues remain. One concern that's been mentioned is that

1435
02:10:52,133 --> 02:10:54,167
the puds... Still includes a 77 list 77 item list of a

1436
02:10:58,233 --> 02:11:01,633
allowed land usage. Why are they still included? Does this

1437
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:07,067
mean those uses could wind up in any area at some point? For example,

1438
02:11:08,700 --> 02:11:10,000
we would never want a recycling center, athletic state stadium

1439
02:11:12,767 --> 02:11:16,567
or an auto service station located directly across from homes along bob smith and

1440
02:11:18,233 --> 02:11:18,233
jamaica beach. Um, and just ad

1441
02:11:23,167 --> 02:11:24,300
libbing again, something that was brought up. I recently read

1442
02:11:27,867 --> 02:11:31,767
two noaa studies on the jumball cove restorations that were done, the berms and the

1443
02:11:34,100 --> 02:11:37,000
little sand islands and the cord grass that was planted. And I fish out there as well.

1444
02:11:39,733 --> 02:11:43,100
uh, they have, and that was a 2023 study. They have not decreased 90 percent. Um, you,

1445
02:11:48,033 --> 02:11:51,200
they're not perfect, the study stated. The berms have sunk, but the cordgrass

1446
02:11:53,433 --> 02:11:54,800
and the marsh has grown. So, you know, it's great

1447
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:02,567
to keep them going, but they're not 90% gone. On the wetlands, some areas

1448
02:12:04,067 --> 02:12:07,467
within the current footprint do appear to overlap wetlands, according to the u.s. Fish and

1449
02:12:10,733 --> 02:12:14,333
wildlife wetland mapper. The mapper is not jurisdictional, however, and is meant...

1450
02:12:16,567 --> 02:12:19,600
for a general overview. But we know an official delineation

1451
02:12:21,033 --> 02:12:23,833
will be done, and when it's done, how and when will the

1452
02:12:25,067 --> 02:12:29,067
public be able to see the results? Along with the revised layout, to ensure the wetlands are being

1453
02:12:30,067 --> 02:12:34,033
avoided and preserved, also involved will be plans in permitting

1454
02:12:35,033 --> 02:12:38,433
for dredging the bay. More broadly, what is the intended vision for this? Is it a tourist

1455
02:12:40,433 --> 02:12:44,300
destination with water park and hotels? Is it a quaint european village where everyone

1456
02:12:45,733 --> 02:12:47,700
knows each other? Is it a shopping center? Is it a gated

1457
02:12:49,933 --> 02:12:53,500
residential neighborhood? Right now, it appears to be all of the above. There

1458
02:12:56,433 --> 02:12:59,833
are just too many unknowns, loose ends, and unanswered questions, even

1459
02:13:00,900 --> 02:13:03,833
at this early stage, especially given the project's unusual nature, its large scale, and

1460
02:13:05,633 --> 02:13:08,433
the significant impact it will have on the surrounding area.

1461
02:13:09,833 --> 02:13:09,833
thank you. Thank you, sir.

1462
02:13:15,833 --> 02:13:18,867
there's no fish in that marsh. Y'all stay out of there. All right, next.

1463
02:13:20,500 --> 02:13:20,500
hi, my name's greg. I mean,

1464
02:13:32,367 --> 02:13:33,400
what's the anticipated construction?getting in and

1465
02:13:42,133 --> 02:13:44,433
out of jamaica beach these days, especially in the summer, people come

1466
02:13:47,033 --> 02:13:47,033
in and try to get in. The beach

1467
02:13:59,567 --> 02:14:03,500
right now, up and down the jamaica area, is already so crowded you can barely get on

1468
02:14:05,567 --> 02:14:07,800
at all. In fact, if you can't go down,

1469
02:14:12,300 --> 02:14:16,000
you can't get on. Beach down for traffic, but too many people,

1470
02:14:16,433 --> 02:14:19,667
they're already there. You add another 5,000 people in that small area, it's gonna

1471
02:14:21,667 --> 02:14:25,000
make it exceptionally x factor worse. The thing about the 120

1472
02:14:28,500 --> 02:14:28,500
foot exemption for,

1473
02:14:32,633 --> 02:14:36,433
I think a lighthouse to look pretty, we already got a water tower, we can look at that. They need

1474
02:14:37,900 --> 02:14:40,367
to know where they're going. And, you know, they say, you know, it could be worse, but it

1475
02:14:44,767 --> 02:14:48,133
also could be a lot better. So that's all I have to say.

1476
02:14:49,100 --> 02:14:49,100
thank you. All right. Thank

1477
02:14:55,100 --> 02:14:58,467
you. All right. Anybody else on this side? All right. We're going to come over here to the front. Anybody

1478
02:14:59,733 --> 02:14:59,733
on the front row? Yes, sir. O's

1479
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:19,867
galveston island for our family. It is myself,

1480
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,500
my wife, and our four children. A lot

1481
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:33,633
of our neighbors are here. Our favorite librarian that we visit in, rosenberg spoke

1482
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,100
earlier. One of the things, like a couple

1483
02:15:40,933 --> 02:15:44,633
of the previous gentlemen, I think a lot of the good points have been made, and I appreciate y'all's time

1484
02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:48,500
in asking some very specific and pointed questions. I do appreciate mr. Blackard's

1485
02:15:50,567 --> 02:15:52,400
updates to the project. But I think a lot

1486
02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:59,133
of what is done here is all about stewardship. Planning and

1487
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:05,500
zoning has to do with stewardship. Stewardship to make sure the right projects go forward,

1488
02:16:06,333 --> 02:16:08,233
the right resources get used, that the people that you serve,

1489
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:14,100
the island that you serve, the community that we are, is sustainable and grows

1490
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:19,133
in the right way. And so when you look at this,

1491
02:16:22,300 --> 02:16:25,000
when you see some of the, when you hear some of the euphemisms,

1492
02:16:26,567 --> 02:16:29,100
when you see some of the vagueness, promises are nice, commitments

1493
02:16:32,700 --> 02:16:32,700
in writing are better, right?

1494
02:16:37,133 --> 02:16:39,933
when we look at this, when we hear it, it is just not

1495
02:16:43,267 --> 02:16:44,500
passing the sniff test in many ways. Development is

1496
02:16:47,633 --> 02:16:50,433
development, and like many have said, we know it's coming. Had this

1497
02:16:52,633 --> 02:16:55,533
been there in this manner that it's being asked to be, unfortunately, I know that we

1498
02:16:57,700 --> 02:16:59,867
wouldn't have invested our family and our lives into

1499
02:17:02,367 --> 02:17:05,767
galveston, at least not in this portion, right? We would have gone further

1500
02:17:06,933 --> 02:17:10,667
down and further down and hopefully found that. And again, that's not to say we avoid growth. It's

1501
02:17:11,533 --> 02:17:13,233
just, does it pass the stewardship

1502
02:17:15,833 --> 02:17:18,433
of our land and the test there, right? We have some very

1503
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:22,867
unique, unique species. We have some very special things that

1504
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:27,100
go on and seeing the sunrises, it is a horizon thing. And I

1505
02:17:29,667 --> 02:17:33,000
think that's why we're a little less crazy than the city dwellers is because we can see

1506
02:17:35,100 --> 02:17:37,667
a thing much bigger than ourselves, whether we look one

1507
02:17:39,867 --> 02:17:41,267
direction or another. And so all I'm asking is, as y'all,

1508
02:17:43,900 --> 02:17:47,267
review this. And as you come to your own personal decisions on it, that you think at it

1509
02:17:48,367 --> 02:17:52,067
from a stewardship angle. And I do appreciate all y'all's time and mr. Blackard's and everyone

1510
02:17:53,333 --> 02:17:56,933
else who spoke. Thank you. All right. Thank you, sir. Well stated. All right. Next row

1511
02:17:59,933 --> 02:17:59,933
back. Yes, ma'am. Come

1512
02:18:04,100 --> 02:18:06,033
on down. My name is margie st. John, and I'm here

1513
02:18:08,433 --> 02:18:11,867
to oppose the development based off of galveston county's, I

1514
02:18:15,267 --> 02:18:18,600
think it's 1987, ordinance and support for the west end.

1515
02:18:20,500 --> 02:18:24,000
having over or at a thousand residents capacity due

1516
02:18:27,467 --> 02:18:29,033
to a lot of different things here.

1517
02:18:32,367 --> 02:18:34,967
to make a beach, I'm going to put galveston, since I have that

1518
02:18:37,267 --> 02:18:41,167
on my driver's license. Let's see here, if you can, bear with me. I want

1519
02:18:41,967 --> 02:18:45,800
to focus on... Three critical issues, the evacuation, the flooding, and the infrastructure.

1520
02:18:47,467 --> 02:18:50,467
first, the evacuation. The west end depends almost entirely on highway 3005

1521
02:18:51,767 --> 02:18:54,067
feeding into I-45. That road is currently one lane

1522
02:18:56,700 --> 02:19:00,433
in each direction. That means every resident, every visitor, every new development funnels

1523
02:19:01,733 --> 02:19:04,433
into a single constraint path during emergencies. As population increases,

1524
02:19:06,467 --> 02:19:09,467
evacuation time doesn't increase gradually. It increases... Dramatically.

1525
02:19:14,767 --> 02:19:18,333
that creates a real risk to human life. Second, flooding. Development

1526
02:19:20,133 --> 02:19:23,533
on wetlands, whether you call it wetlands or land itself, that is actually a natural

1527
02:19:25,767 --> 02:19:29,433
drainage for our system. We are already seeing flood zones

1528
02:19:31,433 --> 02:19:34,800
expand, and adding more density will only make that worse, not just for new homes, but

1529
02:19:36,433 --> 02:19:38,600
for existing homes. Third, infrastructure. Water, sewer,

1530
02:19:41,067 --> 02:19:44,233
roads, emergency response systems on the west end were not

1531
02:19:45,967 --> 02:19:49,333
designed for a large scale of expansion. The city's own historical planning documents

1532
02:19:50,767 --> 02:19:52,033
recognize these limitations decades ago. So the question is

1533
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:58,567
not whether development is good, it's whether the location can safely support it. Right

1534
02:19:59,967 --> 02:20:02,467
now, the answer is no. I respectfully ask the council

1535
02:20:07,933 --> 02:20:10,633
to delay approval until evacuation, infrastructure, and flood risk

1536
02:20:12,300 --> 02:20:15,700
are fully addressed. Thank you for your time and your consideration. Thank you. All

1537
02:20:19,700 --> 02:20:19,700
right. Next up. Anybody else

1538
02:20:24,267 --> 02:20:24,267
on this side? Can't do two

1539
02:20:41,267 --> 02:20:43,133
things at once, so let me get this filled out. My name's tom harrigan. I live

1540
02:20:45,633 --> 02:20:48,033
in jamaica beach. I'm sure you expected that. I've gone

1541
02:20:50,033 --> 02:20:53,067
from being amused by the old codgers that live in jamaica beach

1542
02:20:54,133 --> 02:20:55,567
to being an old codger. So, I do think the development is

1543
02:20:58,333 --> 02:20:58,333
happening, and I don't think

1544
02:21:03,833 --> 02:21:06,300
you guys are bad guys. You know, it's a beautiful piece of land. However, it is a

1545
02:21:09,867 --> 02:21:12,733
treasure. Every bit of marsh that we have remaining in the galveston bay system is

1546
02:21:14,633 --> 02:21:16,200
a real treasure that we need to preserve. I think if you

1547
02:21:18,700 --> 02:21:22,033
look at sunset cove, there's great fishing out in front of that. The developments

1548
02:21:23,233 --> 02:21:26,767
happened up on 3005. That seems to be the model that I think

1549
02:21:27,933 --> 02:21:27,933
I'd be happiest with. I went

1550
02:21:32,133 --> 02:21:32,133
out there today. We had a

1551
02:21:36,833 --> 02:21:38,433
fairly high tide, and it's wet. Almost all the

1552
02:21:41,033 --> 02:21:44,400
way to the microwave tower. And anything you can do to protect that treasure that we

1553
02:21:45,933 --> 02:21:47,233
have here on galveston island, I think is important.

1554
02:21:50,367 --> 02:21:54,033
the specificity can come in these zoning exceptions, and I think you guys need

1555
02:21:59,133 --> 02:22:02,867
to look at it really hard. I hear that 70 feet in front

1556
02:22:05,633 --> 02:22:08,733
of the people that live on bob smith. Now, I know it's from the bird sanctuary

1557
02:22:09,767 --> 02:22:13,367
forward, there won't be any building out there. But from the bird sanctuary back

1558
02:22:14,167 --> 02:22:16,800
to 3005, that's going to block a lot of views of a pretty sunset. And

1559
02:22:18,900 --> 02:22:21,733
personally, I had a zoning variance happen in my neighborhood. And the

1560
02:22:23,733 --> 02:22:26,967
irony's not lost on me that jamaica beach tore up a lot more marsh than you're planning

1561
02:22:28,667 --> 02:22:32,567
on doing. I got that. But they got a zoning variance for their... Lot size,

1562
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:39,000
and what they wiggled in was how high they could build, and somebody's got their house built into my sunset. So I do

1563
02:22:42,500 --> 02:22:44,667
think this is a negotiation, as you mentioned earlier. I think

1564
02:22:46,633 --> 02:22:48,333
there's some room to work towards specificity and

1565
02:22:51,567 --> 02:22:53,433
to get that treasure that we have protected. Thanks

1566
02:22:55,867 --> 02:22:59,233
for what you're doing. Thanks for your time. All right. Thank you, sir. By the way,

1567
02:23:00,600 --> 02:23:02,433
I resemble that remark. Next. Anybody else on this side? All

1568
02:23:09,567 --> 02:23:12,700
right, jeffrey, been hiding back there. Why didn't you just sit in the front? We're not

1569
02:23:14,833 --> 02:23:17,333
giving you any extra time. Just so, you know, we might even deduct. Jeffrey

1570
02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:29,300
used to sit in this chair and I sat down there. My name is

1571
02:23:34,633 --> 02:23:38,567
jeffrey hill. I live on lafitte's point in galveston, in one of mr. Blackard's previous developments. I served

1572
02:23:40,133 --> 02:23:43,200
six years on planning commission with some of you,

1573
02:23:44,833 --> 02:23:48,000
and two years as its chair, as mr. Walla mentioned. While I'd love

1574
02:23:48,933 --> 02:23:51,433
to give an impassioned speech about why you should vote no on this pud, as commissioners,

1575
02:23:53,133 --> 02:23:56,467
you must lean on facts and the ldrs rather than emotion and personal feelings. So let's

1576
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:02,333
focus on the facts. That there is no staff recommendation, either for or

1577
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:06,067
against this case. This is an anomaly. During my tenure

1578
02:24:08,267 --> 02:24:11,200
on the commission, I came to appreciate the professionalism with which city staff treats

1579
02:24:12,700 --> 02:24:14,533
applicants. They go the extra mile to ensure an applicant

1580
02:24:16,967 --> 02:24:18,767
knows exactly what is needed for a thorough application.

1581
02:24:21,733 --> 02:24:25,600
this one is absolutely lacking when compared to the many pud applications that I have

1582
02:24:28,167 --> 02:24:31,667
reviewed over the years. I think the commissioners might want

1583
02:24:32,867 --> 02:24:35,667
to see these additional items before they consider making a recommendation for approval.

1584
02:24:37,133 --> 02:24:39,300
first, more complete and detailed map outlines,

1585
02:24:41,933 --> 02:24:44,833
including preliminary street layouts, housing, amenity and commercial area

1586
02:24:46,367 --> 02:24:48,967
layout, signage placement and mock-ups, and specific parking

1587
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:55,167
plans throughout. The applicant describes a european village concept. How is this village

1588
02:24:57,233 --> 02:25:00,900
laid out within the zones? Trust us, you'll like it. Doesn't replace detailed plans

1589
02:25:02,533 --> 02:25:05,567
for a 170 acre behemoth that encroaches on the quaint

1590
02:25:07,100 --> 02:25:08,633
community where I spent my childhood summers. Next, where

1591
02:25:11,167 --> 02:25:14,100
exactly is the 120 foot max height variance plan

1592
02:25:16,133 --> 02:25:18,033
to be used within zone three? As it stands now, zone three is

1593
02:25:22,033 --> 02:25:24,633
a very large area and all of it would be allowed

1594
02:25:26,567 --> 02:25:28,467
to be covered by 120 foot structures. 120 feet is three

1595
02:25:31,333 --> 02:25:33,800
times the height of the mardi gras arch, over in front

1596
02:25:37,167 --> 02:25:40,000
of the tremont house. Without a specific design plan

1597
02:25:41,233 --> 02:25:45,067
designated, you are potentially allowing a huge area to be covered by giant,

1598
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:52,033
tall structures under the guise

1599
02:25:53,433 --> 02:25:56,467
of a little quaint lighthouse. So, more importantly,

1600
02:25:58,267 --> 02:26:02,033
let's focus on criteria for approval number one. Is the proposed zoning preferable

1601
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:07,633
to the existing zoning? Absolutely not. As it stands

1602
02:26:12,700 --> 02:26:14,900
today, in its currently thinly conceived and not quite

1603
02:26:17,800 --> 02:26:21,333
congealed format, this applicant has not demonstrated

1604
02:26:23,333 --> 02:26:23,333
that his plan is better than

1605
02:26:27,800 --> 02:26:30,633
the current zoning or that it is needed by the city of.

1606
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:35,600
thank you ma'am, all right,

1607
02:26:40,600 --> 02:26:40,600
anybody else? That's it,

1608
02:26:45,267 --> 02:26:48,600
all right. So why don't we do this? Do you guys want to hear from our applicant while we

1609
02:26:50,233 --> 02:26:53,567
still have the public hearing open? Have any questions for him? Anybody, anybody?

1610
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:00,800
mr. Blacker, would you like to make any quick comments? I'm going to give you that

1611
02:27:07,533 --> 02:27:09,900
opportunity. I think my only comment is regarding the wetlands,

1612
02:27:12,233 --> 02:27:15,600
I think I illustrated tens of millions of dollars

1613
02:27:16,533 --> 02:27:17,833
of donation in wetlands. I care more about

1614
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:24,067
those wetlands and have shown it

1615
02:27:24,767 --> 02:27:25,700
for years and years and years, since 1999, sometimes I almost

1616
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:33,567
think people don't understand that everything they're saying I agree

1617
02:27:34,500 --> 02:27:37,667
with regarding the wetlands. It always comes back to the wetlands. The last

1618
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:42,733
gentleman that came up was talking about that. He fishes there, he understands. That's

1619
02:27:44,633 --> 02:27:45,600
how I designed it to protect the wetlands. I know I probably

1620
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:52,500
should have came back with a plan, showing, filling and doing all these different things. But I didn't. I

1621
02:27:54,100 --> 02:27:56,567
respected exactly if I lived on bob smith road in jamaica

1622
02:27:59,367 --> 02:28:02,967
beach, what I want to look at. Like, the lady invited me

1623
02:28:05,500 --> 02:28:09,267
to go have cocktails with her on the end of bob smith road. I agree. I've been down there.

1624
02:28:11,900 --> 02:28:13,133
that's exactly what I'm trying to preserve. So I don't

1625
02:28:16,233 --> 02:28:19,367
understand the wetlands thing. I hope this gets approved. And

1626
02:28:21,667 --> 02:28:25,400
I hope we build it, and I hope everybody that's in this room is out there helping us plant grass. Thank

1627
02:28:28,067 --> 02:28:31,067
you. Thank you, sir. All right, we're going to bring this back

1628
02:28:32,467 --> 02:28:36,000
to commission for action, and I'm going to make a motion that we approve,

1629
02:28:37,133 --> 02:28:39,800
I don't have the planning case in front of me, 26p-009. With

1630
02:28:41,867 --> 02:28:43,133
the following recommendations, that the applicant establish a

1631
02:28:46,533 --> 02:28:50,333
conservation area for the wetlands, that the applicant establish minimum

1632
02:28:51,967 --> 02:28:55,900
workforce housing, that there be a minimum workforce housing requirement. Okay, I'm going to

1633
02:28:59,500 --> 02:29:01,867
make a recommendation that we require an adequate area

1634
02:29:03,867 --> 02:29:06,433
for sewer plant expansion, an estimated five acres, and

1635
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:11,400
consider a minimum lot size. So that's the motion. Motion

1636
02:29:15,500 --> 02:29:16,933
to approve with those recommendations.

1637
02:29:22,100 --> 02:29:24,867
yes, ma'am. Excuse me, could I clarify that it's also the recommendations that were

1638
02:29:26,133 --> 02:29:29,333
provided in the staff report? Oh, and yes, so we would include those recommendations

1639
02:29:31,067 --> 02:29:33,933
and those requirements that are in the staff report. That's correct. All right. That's the

1640
02:29:37,233 --> 02:29:40,067
motion. A second. So here's what I'd like to do. So we have

1641
02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:45,000
a motion and a second so we can discuss this. So now we ask

1642
02:29:46,933 --> 02:29:46,933
away, please. Well, I think we

1643
02:29:52,133 --> 02:29:55,600
need to, I think the applicant needs to establish. He's asking

1644
02:29:57,100 --> 02:29:59,300
for no minimum on lot sizes. To approve this motion,

1645
02:30:07,033 --> 02:30:10,967
what if the minimum lot size is 10 by 10? I mean, what do you, me. Okay. And so let me tell you what I tried to do here.

1646
02:30:12,400 --> 02:30:14,767
and keep in mind, I'm just throwing four of them

1647
02:30:17,133 --> 02:30:20,833
out there. Ideally, what we do is we're going to have a discussion. If we

1648
02:30:22,733 --> 02:30:25,567
want to add some, we're going to... We'll amend the motion and we'll discuss

1649
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:30,433
those and amend. So that's kind of how, that's the direction I'd like

1650
02:30:32,033 --> 02:30:34,800
to go. I don't have a problem putting a minimum size on it. You've got to remember,

1651
02:30:37,667 --> 02:30:40,967
my view on this is, is I'm giving counsel or our elected

1652
02:30:43,433 --> 02:30:47,433
officials some lateral movement and just establish a minimum

1653
02:30:50,233 --> 02:30:53,300
size, you know. Establish a minimum workforce housing. I

1654
02:30:55,600 --> 02:30:59,467
mean, I don't know what the number is. Let them pick it, but they need

1655
02:31:01,167 --> 02:31:04,133
to establish something. He's offered 15. It's the magic number. Honestly, I don't know,

1656
02:31:07,533 --> 02:31:11,167
but there needs to be something. If you'd like to nail that

1657
02:31:13,667 --> 02:31:16,867
down a little bit, I'd have no problem entertaining an amendment to the motion that

1658
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:20,500
would be a little more specific. With any of those.

1659
02:31:23,533 --> 02:31:25,567
so that's the direction I'm going with this. Can I ask

1660
02:31:28,900 --> 02:31:29,967
staff a question? Just a second. Let me go to him. It's

1661
02:31:33,900 --> 02:31:36,633
my understanding that there's different areas or different requests for zoning. I think

1662
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:41,800
the minimum lot size was specified in some

1663
02:31:44,867 --> 02:31:47,600
of those zones. Catherine, could you relay what area

1664
02:31:50,133 --> 02:31:52,867
that... The applicant discussed that was a less than, I'm

1665
02:31:58,067 --> 02:32:00,733
sorry, remind me, it was actually in their zone. Actually, there

1666
02:32:02,233 --> 02:32:05,500
was a what I read it was zone one and to use our ones setbacks.

1667
02:32:06,867 --> 02:32:10,867
but I didn't see it in anywhere else in the proposal. I guess if that

1668
02:32:11,700 --> 02:32:15,033
would, so that we can understand what you're recommending if you you want

1669
02:32:18,733 --> 02:32:20,033
something a little more specific? Well, you could place

1670
02:32:22,767 --> 02:32:25,167
that on the area. That was a little bit under question. Okay. Let me think

1671
02:32:27,067 --> 02:32:29,500
about how we're going to do that. Because it's really in zone three. Their zone,

1672
02:32:31,833 --> 02:32:34,400
which is the r1 area, basically, they're sticking

1673
02:32:36,567 --> 02:32:40,167
with what is there. They're asking for a height variance, but I think lot size, they're

1674
02:32:41,967 --> 02:32:44,067
saying, hey, we'll go with the ldr lot size. I think that was

1675
02:32:48,333 --> 02:32:51,467
the area of the zone 3, and that's what I was trying to understand. Zone 3 is kind of what their core is, and I

1676
02:32:52,567 --> 02:32:55,333
understand what they're trying to do, but I am a little

1677
02:32:56,833 --> 02:32:59,367
concerned that just giving them carte blanche on a lot size,

1678
02:33:03,367 --> 02:33:06,933
having no lot size requirement, I think council needs to... Well, no, that would... That

1679
02:33:08,967 --> 02:33:12,833
would help be able to relay and communicate exactly what you were looking for. Okay, so you

1680
02:33:14,700 --> 02:33:16,833
want it a little more specific in that zone three. Sorry,

1681
02:33:20,500 --> 02:33:24,333
teresa, this is what was confusing to me when I was asking about the language there, because in the planning

1682
02:33:25,233 --> 02:33:28,867
commission recommendation... Under specific conditions 1a, it says,

1683
02:33:30,433 --> 02:33:34,167
eliminate the minimum lot area, but if I understood the applicant correctly, r1 was going to adhere

1684
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:37,200
to the r1 lot sizes. Yes, so

1685
02:33:41,433 --> 02:33:42,433
what we could add is for the specific conditions a1a

1686
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:45,800
on page 6, we could include

1687
02:33:50,667 --> 02:33:53,867
some additional language in planning area 3. But do I understand that correctly? Is

1688
02:33:55,100 --> 02:33:58,200
the applicant proposing to adhere to r1 in their... Zone 1. Yes, zone 1 is there,

1689
02:34:03,233 --> 02:34:05,700
so planning area 1. They're proposing the r1 single-family

1690
02:34:07,933 --> 02:34:10,433
design standards. This language needs to match that. Yes, so that, okay,

1691
02:34:16,333 --> 02:34:18,567
so what we what we've outlined, okay, so I think we're you're looking

1692
02:34:20,467 --> 02:34:24,067
for additional language in the pud plan that's been proposed off the staff report. That

1693
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:27,967
outlines or designates the planning area 1, planning area

1694
02:34:30,267 --> 02:34:33,500
2. The area 1 that faces bob smith, that whatever it was

1695
02:34:34,900 --> 02:34:38,367
400 deep or whatever the face is, is going to adhere to r1 lot size standards.

1696
02:34:41,867 --> 02:34:44,333
yes. And so planning area 2, which is the frontage, is, yes,

1697
02:34:47,433 --> 02:34:48,767
they're asking for the commercial design standards.

1698
02:34:53,433 --> 02:34:54,500
which is no minimum lot area requirement, but there's

1699
02:34:58,333 --> 02:35:02,000
minimum width and lot depth. I think for what I'm looking

1700
02:35:03,100 --> 02:35:04,167
at right now is the r1, that whatever he's calling

1701
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:10,133
zone 1 that faces bob smith, we really need to codify that,

1702
02:35:11,267 --> 02:35:15,033
that it says. This section, what you're calling zone 1, is going to adhere

1703
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:18,133
to the r1 base. Minimum lot size of 5,000 square feet. Is

1704
02:35:21,267 --> 02:35:23,100
that what I understood the applicant to say, he was going, he's proposing? I'm sorry,

1705
02:35:26,967 --> 02:35:28,767
repeat your question. That is what the applicant is proposing? In zone one

1706
02:35:32,233 --> 02:35:35,233
to follow r1 base? Yes. Can we put, can we just really make

1707
02:35:36,867 --> 02:35:40,500
that clear? Okay. Because I think that's a big bone of contention is the whole,

1708
02:35:42,233 --> 02:35:44,400
the whole look of anything that's facing bob smith road. Okay.

1709
02:35:48,033 --> 02:35:51,033
in the center of the property, I'm like... I'm not going to see that from 3005. I don't

1710
02:35:52,433 --> 02:35:54,633
think it's a 120-foot tower I would see. But that section there, I

1711
02:35:56,567 --> 02:35:59,933
think, really needs some attention, that zone 1 facing bob smith road. Okay. The

1712
02:36:01,700 --> 02:36:02,333
language needs to be really clear. Yes, and

1713
02:36:06,300 --> 02:36:09,833
maybe I'm missing it in the pud plan. In the staff report, it was.

1714
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:14,367
it's in the staff report. I think, oh, you know what? Okay, so it

1715
02:36:15,767 --> 02:36:18,367
is the second to last page of the pud plan, section 2.30, internal planning areas.

1716
02:36:20,667 --> 02:36:24,167
okay. And that is where it outlines planning area one,

1717
02:36:26,100 --> 02:36:28,100
planning area two, and planning area three.

1718
02:36:34,533 --> 02:36:38,100
that's under the staff report, not an exhibit. It is exhibit, let me see. So we have a... It

1719
02:36:44,033 --> 02:36:45,233
is the discovery, it is exhibit c. No, no,

1720
02:36:49,267 --> 02:36:52,667
that's not exhibit c. We have a lot of stuff here. It is in the pud plan,

1721
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:56,967
but I'm trying to establish what... Okay. It is in the pud plan. It's

1722
02:36:58,667 --> 02:37:02,400
in the pud plan, but it follows the letters. But the language is complete. But the language is, yes,

1723
02:37:03,333 --> 02:37:06,567
I agree. The language is complete. Yeah, so I think there's, so I think part of the confusion is there's a staff

1724
02:37:07,667 --> 02:37:10,600
report and we had exhibit a and exhibit b. Exhibit a was legal description. Exhibit b was the

1725
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:18,100
applicant's response or their submittal, and then

1726
02:37:19,700 --> 02:37:22,600
with an exhibit b of the staff report, then they had exhibits. So I

1727
02:37:23,867 --> 02:37:26,233
think that might be a little bit confusing, but it's part of the applicant's submittal,

1728
02:37:29,500 --> 02:37:32,800
which is exhibit b of the staff report. So it follows the letters and I do

1729
02:37:35,367 --> 02:37:39,200
not have a page number to give you. But if you look at and I apologize article 2

1730
02:37:43,033 --> 02:37:44,400
development standards, this is the first page.

1731
02:37:47,833 --> 02:37:48,567
actually, there might be a cover. It's actually, yes,

1732
02:37:52,500 --> 02:37:56,333
okay, and then you look at the very last page of the pud plan that that is where

1733
02:38:03,800 --> 02:38:06,200
section 2.30 internal planning areas. Does everybody see that?

1734
02:38:13,233 --> 02:38:15,633
okay, I don't have a page number for that. They're on page number, okay. So do you

1735
02:38:18,867 --> 02:38:19,667
see where the letters are, the environmental letter? I see

1736
02:38:23,367 --> 02:38:26,467
some of them, yeah. Okay, so there's exhibit c, waters of the u.s. Permitting procedures, and there's a

1737
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:28,967
letter from integrated environmental solutions. And

1738
02:38:34,200 --> 02:38:37,233
then the very next thing after that, after that environmental letter,

1739
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:42,600
you have the discovery sands planned unit development plan. Okay. So let me ask you

1740
02:38:46,767 --> 02:38:49,633
this, anthony. And we're going to try to pull it up, that section. What if we,

1741
02:38:52,767 --> 02:38:56,700
because I think we're going to have to go back, and I'm sure we're going to go back and have an amendment. So

1742
02:38:57,967 --> 02:39:00,667
what do you think about this? When we get to that point,

1743
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:04,800
we'll speak. Specify that r1 zoning be applied to their

1744
02:39:08,733 --> 02:39:12,333
zone 1 development area. With the exception

1745
02:39:13,700 --> 02:39:15,667
of their request for their, they want to add 10 feet

1746
02:39:17,833 --> 02:39:21,767
for mechanical. That's what they're asking for. The 20 feet for mechanical, 10

1747
02:39:22,900 --> 02:39:26,300
for mechanical. 10, yeah. But, I mean, a total of 20 feet. I just want to make sure

1748
02:39:27,500 --> 02:39:30,833
that I'm just clear, because it's confusing. Yes, sir. I agree. I understand. So

1749
02:39:32,100 --> 02:39:36,000
we can, if you'd like, we can address that. Okay. Would that be good? Yeah.

1750
02:39:37,733 --> 02:39:41,167
okay. All right. Any other discussion? You're

1751
02:39:43,233 --> 02:39:46,200
down there thinking. Yes. So I'm talking

1752
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:51,767
about zone where I'm liking, I'm talking about zone three, and that was where your

1753
02:39:53,033 --> 02:39:56,000
question came. So they're asking for no minimum lot size in that zone. That's my

1754
02:39:57,133 --> 02:39:57,133
understanding. Would that be a

1755
02:40:04,300 --> 02:40:07,600
yes? Okay. That's correct. Yep. So that's where I'm

1756
02:40:10,300 --> 02:40:13,833
saying. I think we need to establish when this, my recommendation would be that

1757
02:40:14,667 --> 02:40:17,800
council needs to consider and establish a minimum lot size. I don't know what that magic number is. You could make it,

1758
02:40:19,467 --> 02:40:20,767
if you want, the r2 zoning is 01,600 square feet. So I don't

1759
02:40:24,533 --> 02:40:26,033
know what the magic number is. I'm sure that,

1760
02:40:28,700 --> 02:40:31,833
you know. I think if you put 04,000, which is included in the r2, that's going

1761
02:40:33,400 --> 02:40:36,733
to restrict those guys really from doing what they want to do. But yes, yes, sir. Hold

1762
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:40,533
on. Yeah, they don't let you come. You need to open up the

1763
02:40:44,867 --> 02:40:47,900
public hearing if you're going to hear from the applicant. And it would just be the

1764
02:40:48,900 --> 02:40:52,100
applicant, not the other members of the audience. Right. And I just want to clarify,

1765
02:40:54,100 --> 02:40:54,100
are we going by each? Item

1766
02:40:58,300 --> 02:40:59,600
of your motion are we doing a remember my most? My motion had

1767
02:41:02,567 --> 02:41:06,233
four recommendations, right? So we're actually working on my the very first one. Well,

1768
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:13,033
I'm sorry, the minimum lot size was was actually my fourth

1769
02:41:15,233 --> 02:41:17,867
recommendation. So we're trying to sort through that and we

1770
02:41:19,900 --> 02:41:22,833
will make an amendment when we get that figured out. Does that work for you? I just want to

1771
02:41:24,533 --> 02:41:28,167
make sure because I have an issue with the work forest housing motion component,

1772
02:41:30,667 --> 02:41:33,833
tell me about it. Well, we need to figure out if you want

1773
02:41:35,067 --> 02:41:38,233
to talk about that now. Or if you're going to hear from let's get,

1774
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:43,067
let's let me come back to you, I'll circle back to you on that one. Okay, all right, I'm good with that,

1775
02:41:45,300 --> 02:41:47,033
all right. So does that answer your question? You want

1776
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:53,700
to hear from him? Okay, then we'll open the public hearing, we're going to reopen the public hearing

1777
02:41:54,700 --> 02:41:56,600
to hear from the applicant. You're up, sir. If they were

1778
02:41:59,433 --> 02:42:01,867
to scroll in the staff report back to our concept, layout,

1779
02:42:06,067 --> 02:42:08,067
site plan. Oh, I don't know. I mean,

1780
02:42:13,467 --> 02:42:13,467
we've got the first page. The

1781
02:42:20,867 --> 02:42:24,267
overall of that. What's that one? That's fine, right there. So on the far west side,

1782
02:42:25,567 --> 02:42:29,000
there's that strip that goes up. On the west, there are lots in that area.

1783
02:42:34,667 --> 02:42:38,333
yeah, like a little finger that goes up in there. Exactly. We would be willing to establish

1784
02:42:38,900 --> 02:42:41,433
zone 4 to put minimum lot sizes within that strip,

1785
02:42:43,133 --> 02:42:45,967
and we'll determine based on those measurements what that strip size is. That way, we

1786
02:42:47,400 --> 02:42:49,600
still maintain our flexibility within the actual core we're

1787
02:42:51,500 --> 02:42:55,500
looking for. But that gives you your minimum lot size when we're doing actual single-family lots. So I'm going to tell you the same

1788
02:42:56,600 --> 02:42:59,500
thing I told mr. Black. I am not a fan of giving you guys carte

1789
02:43:00,967 --> 02:43:03,767
blanche on a minimum lot size. That's just my. I only have one voice

1790
02:43:06,133 --> 02:43:09,467
and one vote, and that's the whole purpose of me adding this. If you guys

1791
02:43:11,100 --> 02:43:13,767
want to come up with some secret sauce between now and then,

1792
02:43:15,333 --> 02:43:18,900
you guys do your thing. And that's really, to be honest with you, that's the whole purpose

1793
02:43:20,400 --> 02:43:23,333
of this discussion is you get to listen what our concerns are. You get 30 days to go,

1794
02:43:25,300 --> 02:43:28,700
hey, you guys have done an excellent job of listening to us the last time, probably

1795
02:43:30,500 --> 02:43:34,433
to your detriment, to be very honest with you. But you guys have done an excellent job with that. I'm just,

1796
02:43:36,300 --> 02:43:38,900
if that's what you want. You need to go preach that

1797
02:43:40,533 --> 02:43:43,967
to these guys. So I'm trying to do what my job is, or

1798
02:43:45,967 --> 02:43:49,633
at least what I interpret my job to be. So I'm just not a fan

1799
02:43:50,767 --> 02:43:52,600
of giving you guys carte blanche on lot size in the

1800
02:43:55,367 --> 02:43:58,100
core. I just think it's a bad idea, and that's my opinion.

1801
02:43:59,667 --> 02:44:03,600
you guys can go sell that to the city council and see what they say,

1802
02:44:04,100 --> 02:44:05,900
but that's just my opinion on it. Did you have a question

1803
02:44:09,100 --> 02:44:12,567
for him on the lot size deal? I didn't answer, but there's zone three giving up the... Okay.

1804
02:44:15,933 --> 02:44:17,900
yeah. All right. Did I? Yeah. Yeah, because you want... You're asking for... We're

1805
02:44:28,700 --> 02:44:31,667
going to take a portion of our zone three and pull it out and put minimum lot sizes within that western edge. Will

1806
02:44:35,400 --> 02:44:38,167
that be... No, it's kind of this little finger. Right

1807
02:44:41,133 --> 02:44:44,200
now, there's yellow on the right-hand side. We would put yellow on the left-hand side as well.

1808
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:50,367
this is in the very back of the... Let me explain. It

1809
02:44:54,167 --> 02:44:57,333
would be better if I explain. If we build a 1,000-square-foot little bundle of cottage in the

1810
02:44:59,400 --> 02:45:00,867
middle and we have hoa property all the way around it, that's

1811
02:45:03,833 --> 02:45:06,467
what we're saying is zero. You could say 1,000 square feet,

1812
02:45:07,867 --> 02:45:11,733
because no unit would be smaller than 1,000 square feet. But those are in the village.

1813
02:45:12,967 --> 02:45:16,300
in any village, you have little bitty buildings that go around there. And

1814
02:45:17,833 --> 02:45:21,833
in this case, we have private streets and then we have hoa property around each one of them. That's why he's saying

1815
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:26,567
minimum. Now, you can say 01,000 square feet, which is fine. That's as small

1816
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:31,167
as it will get. That's the intent of when you see the

1817
02:45:32,500 --> 02:45:35,700
pretty picture or whatever, the rendering. You see those little structures in there?

1818
02:45:37,333 --> 02:45:38,533
that's what we're trying to accomplish. Okay. All right.

1819
02:45:43,833 --> 02:45:46,133
any other discussion? No, I just want to make a comment.

1820
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:51,933
this is where that word eliminate didn't really need to apply. The more you can

1821
02:45:53,567 --> 02:45:56,167
clarify, it eliminates the anticipation or the anxiety

1822
02:45:58,833 --> 02:46:02,233
about what really is intended. That's all. You just got to be specific. And that's not

1823
02:46:04,167 --> 02:46:07,667
something that's a big hurdle to get over. It just needs to be communicated. You

1824
02:46:09,033 --> 02:46:12,167
probably already know. It just isn't communicated. And now he knows he needs

1825
02:46:13,467 --> 02:46:15,333
to go communicate. Agreed. Next step. All right. Yes, sir.

1826
02:46:17,933 --> 02:46:17,933
so I, my,

1827
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:23,000
we'll close the public hearing.

1828
02:46:27,400 --> 02:46:31,200
so my item number four is I was just. My recommendation is that

1829
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:37,767
council consider a minimum lot size. I'm not putting a lot

1830
02:46:39,267 --> 02:46:41,133
size on it. I'm just saying they need to figure that out. I

1831
02:46:43,367 --> 02:46:46,533
think that's something that's, I don't want to put one on there because I don't know what

1832
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:50,700
it is. I'm talking about so what we're going to have to do,

1833
02:46:52,300 --> 02:46:56,267
so this is good. So we're going to go back, and we'll make an amendment to the motion, because my

1834
02:46:57,400 --> 02:47:00,300
motion just said minimum lot size, kind of across the board. So I will

1835
02:47:02,200 --> 02:47:05,700
make, when we get ready to do the amendment, I would recommend that the amendment

1836
02:47:07,300 --> 02:47:09,200
look something along the lines of amend it. So that the lots

1837
02:47:13,633 --> 02:47:16,600
in their zone one are the equivalent of r1,

1838
02:47:18,667 --> 02:47:22,400
with the exception of the heightened requirements that they're looking for. But the lot size be five,

1839
02:47:24,100 --> 02:47:27,467
matter of fact, I'll just call them out. They're 5,000 square feet. So we'll just say that the lots

1840
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:30,233
in that zone one will be 5,000 square feet and that they need

1841
02:47:32,967 --> 02:47:35,400
to establish some minimum on zone three. Does that work

1842
02:47:38,067 --> 02:47:38,067
for you? Yes. Okay. All right.

1843
02:47:42,400 --> 02:47:44,600
ms. Fairweather, talk to me about workforce housing.

1844
02:47:47,000 --> 02:47:50,600
well, is it on? Yeah. Yeah, we can't require the applicant

1845
02:47:52,267 --> 02:47:56,067
to... I should say, you can't order the applicant

1846
02:47:57,267 --> 02:48:00,667
to have workforce housing. That's the simple matter of the fact. Even if he's

1847
02:48:01,833 --> 02:48:05,500
already offered it? But he's offered it. But if you're going to make a motion demanding it,

1848
02:48:06,867 --> 02:48:09,033
you can't do that. But I think what I've heard a couple of

1849
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:15,900
times is that they are willing to offer it, and that would be a part of the development plans if

1850
02:48:18,233 --> 02:48:22,067
city council decides to go forward with this development. But you can't put that in a motion. So that's

1851
02:48:22,900 --> 02:48:26,133
something that city council would need to? How do we do that? I think, once again, if the applicant offers it,

1852
02:48:27,100 --> 02:48:30,633
then the applicant would say, yeah, we would like to do it. Well, it's not in his plan. I'm

1853
02:48:32,133 --> 02:48:36,033
sorry? I don't see it written anywhere in any of this stuff. He's told us that. That would have to come later. That would have

1854
02:48:37,167 --> 02:48:39,433
to come later. But I guess what I'm saying is. You're recommending to city

1855
02:48:41,667 --> 02:48:44,467
council, who has the ultimate decision, whether or not they're going

1856
02:48:45,767 --> 02:48:49,067
to allow it or not. The applicant still has to present what he wants

1857
02:48:50,667 --> 02:48:52,000
to present to that body. This body cannot make a motion

1858
02:48:56,667 --> 02:49:00,367
saying we want a minimum number of workforce housing in your development. I'm not,

1859
02:49:02,400 --> 02:49:05,200
I'm, I'm, oh, okay. Can I put a number in there instead of

1860
02:49:06,833 --> 02:49:09,300
saying a minimum? I could say. You can't put a number in there at all. Nothing. I

1861
02:49:10,967 --> 02:49:14,467
mean, I think if you are concerned about the workforce element

1862
02:49:15,833 --> 02:49:19,167
in there, I think you can word it such that the applicant has

1863
02:49:24,600 --> 02:49:28,067
suggested 15 units, I think that's what he said, and we would agree

1864
02:49:29,233 --> 02:49:32,933
with that or more, something like that. But you can't make the motion. Okay. I can't make the motion

1865
02:49:33,800 --> 02:49:37,067
establish a minimum. But I can make it to where the

1866
02:49:38,200 --> 02:49:38,200
recommendation is that, yeah,

1867
02:49:44,467 --> 02:49:45,667
accepting the offer, accept the applicant's offer

1868
02:49:49,033 --> 02:49:49,033
to provide a minimum, not just

1869
02:49:53,300 --> 02:49:56,500
to provide workforce housing. Okay. Which he's already agreed

1870
02:49:58,600 --> 02:49:58,600
to. Yes. Okay. I love these.

1871
02:50:04,767 --> 02:50:07,433
all right. Next. Next. Anybody else? Any other questions that

1872
02:50:10,433 --> 02:50:13,467
I'm going to make? You got anything, bo? What were the other two? Yeah. Are we helping

1873
02:50:15,833 --> 02:50:19,833
you? I think that's my question. No, none of this. I think it's important that you,

1874
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:26,933
since there's a motion on the table, seconded,

1875
02:50:28,967 --> 02:50:30,833
that you amend. Yes, we'll do that. And, I mean, that's, the

1876
02:50:33,333 --> 02:50:36,467
r3 was the one that I needed the most. Clarification on, and we've done that. Okay, all

1877
02:50:38,233 --> 02:50:41,900
right, what's that? Can you just read out the other two?

1878
02:50:42,967 --> 02:50:46,500
yeah, so I'm gonna read them out again, I'll tell you what, let's, I'm gonna read them out. And then I'm gonna tell you how I'm

1879
02:50:47,800 --> 02:50:51,667
gonna amend it. And then you guys tell me what you want to do. I'll have to make a motion to amend it and we'll have

1880
02:50:52,867 --> 02:50:55,833
to discuss that. So one is, we're going to establish a conservation,

1881
02:50:58,067 --> 02:50:59,367
the applicant will establish a conservation area, that's the

1882
02:51:02,333 --> 02:51:05,333
other thing. I'm sorry. Can I not do that? Yes. You're

1883
02:51:06,433 --> 02:51:10,033
killing me. You just need to word it that way. How do I make a recommendation? Do I

1884
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:13,967
just recommend, do I make a recommendation that a conservation area be

1885
02:51:15,100 --> 02:51:18,933
established? Yes, actually. There you go. Okay. Just word it that way. Recommendation

1886
02:51:20,467 --> 02:51:22,900
to accept the offer of a conservation area being offered. As you said it,

1887
02:51:24,733 --> 02:51:27,667
recommendation that a conservation area be established. Why couldn't I

1888
02:51:30,767 --> 02:51:34,500
make a recommendation that workforce housing be established? You can. You can. Okay. Okay, I just need to word

1889
02:51:36,533 --> 02:51:40,300
it differently so that I'm not creating a burden for... You can't define it. I got it. I

1890
02:51:43,500 --> 02:51:43,500
think I got it. And I'm sorry?

1891
02:51:48,733 --> 02:51:52,367
you're killing me. But it's just the way you're wording it. And I'm sorry, was part of your motion also involving the

1892
02:51:54,767 --> 02:51:58,067
treatment plant? Yes. So currently, as I understand it,

1893
02:51:59,500 --> 02:52:01,733
that's also an offer because they don't have to do it.

1894
02:52:03,800 --> 02:52:03,800
so... And they're... Same way.

1895
02:52:10,233 --> 02:52:13,433
it's the same way. I mean, these are things that, from what I'm hearing, the applicant has offered,

1896
02:52:14,867 --> 02:52:18,867
but they're not a requirement. Because you don't need to have a treatment plant in that area, if you understand

1897
02:52:19,767 --> 02:52:23,500
what I'm saying. So I'm just going to change this

1898
02:52:25,467 --> 02:52:28,400
to where we're going to... Our recommendation is that the

1899
02:52:30,033 --> 02:52:33,767
council consider a conservation area, that the council consider...

1900
02:52:35,767 --> 02:52:39,367
workforce housing, that they consider additional area

1901
02:52:42,500 --> 02:52:45,933
for expansion for the sewer plant, and that they should consider a minimum

1902
02:52:48,800 --> 02:52:52,533
lot size. As proposed by the applicant. Well, he's not proposing a minimum lot

1903
02:52:53,967 --> 02:52:56,200
size in this section three. On the other three. Proposed

1904
02:52:59,500 --> 02:53:02,033
by the applicant. That's one way just to get those three items. The

1905
02:53:03,733 --> 02:53:06,933
lot size issue, I still think you all need to drink. Drill down

1906
02:53:07,833 --> 02:53:10,700
on a little bit. You think we need to send something specific and let them change it? So what

1907
02:53:12,933 --> 02:53:16,300
they propose, as I understand it, already come with the zone one, and I guess

1908
02:53:19,300 --> 02:53:22,933
the zone two doesn't stay the same. They already come with their built-in. If we're talking about the zone three,

1909
02:53:24,233 --> 02:53:27,700
and from what I'm hearing from the applicant, they're going to be a minimum

1910
02:53:28,767 --> 02:53:31,933
of 1,000 square feet. Well, he just said that like two minutes ago. And you

1911
02:53:33,833 --> 02:53:36,433
heard it. So if you want to put that in your motion, then... We can do that. I mean,

1912
02:53:48,167 --> 02:53:51,733
if you're gonna recommend something to council, and again, this is just my thoughts

1913
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:56,400
on it. Council really wants to know the specificity of what planning, so you want some more specific.

1914
02:53:57,833 --> 02:54:00,733
so establish a conservation area that includes no, I mean,

1915
02:54:02,200 --> 02:54:04,433
I think the conservation area, I think the treatment plant,

1916
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:06,800
the workforce housing.

1917
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:16,500
workforce housing. I think those come with its own specificity that city council

1918
02:54:17,533 --> 02:54:19,767
can drill down on. But this body really helps the council

1919
02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:24,867
determine, okay, what square footage are we talking

1920
02:54:26,233 --> 02:54:27,867
for this type of development? What lot size does this

1921
02:54:30,767 --> 02:54:33,067
planning commission think would fit for the city, as well as

1922
02:54:34,800 --> 02:54:38,800
for the development? Okay. And I think it would be difficult for city council. To come up

1923
02:54:40,633 --> 02:54:44,400
with a number. And they can change the number if they want to do it. So we could, instead of just considering minimum lot

1924
02:54:46,067 --> 02:54:49,467
size for this zone 3, we can say require a minimum lot size

1925
02:54:52,767 --> 02:54:55,700
of 1,000 square feet in zone 3. You can. Is everybody good

1926
02:54:57,667 --> 02:55:00,233
with that? Suggestion. You good with that down there? Sure.

1927
02:55:02,400 --> 02:55:02,400
sure. Yes. Yeah, I don't

1928
02:55:07,767 --> 02:55:11,533
disagree with you. So when, you know, council considers this, you know, say we send

1929
02:55:13,033 --> 02:55:16,667
these recommendations as is, you know, they, or as your recommendation, you know,

1930
02:55:17,600 --> 02:55:21,100
to consider workforce housing, to consider the sewage treatment plant, to consider the, you know,

1931
02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:26,500
the other aspect. And so, is council allowed to say, hey,

1932
02:55:27,800 --> 02:55:29,100
if you want this pud, you got to do x, y, z? They have more

1933
02:55:34,467 --> 02:55:37,800
latitude, I guess, to order. Okay. Based on what is being presented, and

1934
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:43,267
especially if the applicant comes in and says, this is what we're going to do. Okay. So we're going

1935
02:55:44,067 --> 02:55:47,567
to take you at your word. It's on the record. And so we're going to put it now in an order, an ordinance,

1936
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:52,200
saying, this is what you've agreed to do. It's going to be part of the permit, whatever. And

1937
02:55:55,933 --> 02:55:58,700
you also have your ex-officer here who also repeat. You know, what planning commissions.

1938
02:56:02,400 --> 02:56:04,800
exactly. He'll be able to go. He gets the job. We'll all be there. And I know. So let's

1939
02:56:06,700 --> 02:56:09,267
say, just hypothetically speaking, right, so mr. Blackard has said 15 units.

1940
02:56:12,067 --> 02:56:16,067
now let's say that he shows up to council later this month and says 15 units. Could council

1941
02:56:18,033 --> 02:56:21,933
say, well, we don't like that. We want to see 70? I would probably tell council

1942
02:56:23,067 --> 02:56:26,733
that that's probably not something that they should do. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you. No, do it with other developments. So

1943
02:56:29,033 --> 02:56:29,033
back on the minimum lot size

1944
02:56:33,967 --> 02:56:35,767
to codify this. The r2 base already exists. Minimum lot

1945
02:56:38,567 --> 02:56:39,900
size of 1,600 square feet. Yep. So I think it would be

1946
02:56:42,900 --> 02:56:46,100
easier just to put something that already exists in the language for zone 3.

1947
02:56:48,600 --> 02:56:49,700
okay. So we'll use r1 and zone 01, and we'll use... No, no,

1948
02:56:55,900 --> 02:56:59,333
no. We're done. Zone 3, r2 base. We're going

1949
02:57:03,067 --> 02:57:05,933
to do r1 and zone 1. We're going to do c. We're going

1950
02:57:11,133 --> 02:57:13,167
to recommend r2 and zone 3. R2 and zone, and then r2's lot

1951
02:57:15,700 --> 02:57:17,000
sizes in zone 3. Good with that? Donna? I mean,

1952
02:57:20,233 --> 02:57:24,033
that's a suggestion. It's already in the pud proposal,

1953
02:57:28,600 --> 02:57:31,200
the commercial zoning design criteria, for we're gonna leave

1954
02:57:33,900 --> 02:57:36,900
that one alone. The one in for zone one is, it says,

1955
02:57:39,900 --> 02:57:42,333
one thing in one spot and something else in another. Where is that

1956
02:57:44,500 --> 02:57:45,933
discrepancy? So we can clarify that now or correct it.

1957
02:57:50,533 --> 02:57:52,300
they're writing whatever it was for. I think that's what you're

1958
02:57:58,733 --> 02:57:58,733
trying to say. You'll get the

1959
02:58:03,333 --> 02:58:05,367
gist. It's semantics now. If we already know what the lot sizes

1960
02:58:09,433 --> 02:58:12,333
are in the zone 1 area, we'll just say the zone 1 lot

1961
02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:16,767
size as it currently is. I mean, we don't, and we'll just correct the...

1962
02:58:18,033 --> 02:58:21,300
well, I don't, I don't, I guess I need to know where the discrepancy is. So, as I read it... Planning area 1, all land within 500 feet of the

1963
02:58:24,467 --> 02:58:27,833
bob smith road right-of-way measured from the nearest edge of that right-of-way. 1, b1,

1964
02:58:29,900 --> 02:58:32,667
applicable standards, development within planning area 1 shall comply

1965
02:58:34,100 --> 02:58:35,500
with the minimum lot area, lot width, lot depth, setback,

1966
02:58:38,600 --> 02:58:41,300
building height and parking standards of the r1

1967
02:58:42,733 --> 02:58:44,667
single-family residential district as set forth in division 3.300 of the l.dr,

1968
02:58:48,700 --> 02:58:52,200
together with notes 1 through 10 applicable to that district and exceptions

1969
02:58:55,067 --> 02:58:57,900
to the height. So yes, so okay, that. Well, okay, so.

1970
02:58:59,433 --> 02:59:03,167
exceptions would be. Landscaping within planning area 1 shall be governed by section 2.17 of this pud plan, signage shall

1971
02:59:05,300 --> 02:59:08,967
be governed by section 2.10 and exhibit g. So that's where they're inserting their own

1972
02:59:10,300 --> 02:59:11,500
standards. Building height exceptions in section 2.06c

1973
02:59:15,333 --> 02:59:19,167
through e shall apply within planning area 1. And so that's when we go to... This is the

1974
02:59:23,533 --> 02:59:25,100
applicants. This is the pled plan. So I can go back to those

1975
02:59:27,700 --> 02:59:29,567
sections and see if that's where the discrepancy is. I

1976
02:59:31,800 --> 02:59:33,967
just want to make sure because... Yeah, it does outline that

1977
02:59:36,133 --> 02:59:37,367
in the pud plan and in the staff report, but if

1978
02:59:41,367 --> 02:59:44,433
there's another area that we need to look at within this document, we can certainly hunt for it.

1979
02:59:46,167 --> 02:59:49,933
unless you already know where it is. So then the area we want to correct then, so it says. Within planning area three,

1980
02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:53,733
the pud establishes no lot, size, width, or depth minimums. Yep. And

1981
02:59:55,833 --> 02:59:57,067
we're going to recommend that they use r2 lot size standards.

1982
03:00:04,967 --> 03:00:08,167
is that good, donna? You're pointing the finger

1983
03:00:09,300 --> 03:00:10,833
over there. What are you doing? Yes. That's what I want. So r2

1984
03:00:15,867 --> 03:00:18,867
standard, so it's not 1,000 square feet. It's the minimum. It's 1,600. 1,600, yeah. So

1985
03:00:21,467 --> 03:00:24,833
we're going to start there and let council figure out what they want to do. And these guys can go pitch their

1986
03:00:26,533 --> 03:00:29,500
story to city council and see what they want to do. Is everybody good with that?

1987
03:00:31,100 --> 03:00:31,100
yeah. Okay. Sorry, guys. All

1988
03:00:35,733 --> 03:00:37,933
right. So I'm going to make a motion that we amend the motion

1989
03:00:42,467 --> 03:00:46,000
in regards to the recommendations so that they state such. Recommend a

1990
03:00:49,733 --> 03:00:51,867
conservation area be established. Is that good?

1991
03:00:54,533 --> 03:00:54,533
donna? Okay. Recommend that

1992
03:01:04,233 --> 03:01:07,500
they accept the applicant's offer of 15 workforce housing

1993
03:01:09,800 --> 03:01:09,800
units. Is that good? Okay.

1994
03:01:15,867 --> 03:01:15,867
recommend that the sewer plant

1995
03:01:23,100 --> 03:01:23,100
area be of adequate size

1996
03:01:28,300 --> 03:01:30,200
for expansion. You okay with that? Nope. The easement

1997
03:01:36,567 --> 03:01:39,167
to be where the sewer treatment plan is to be located, I think, is what you're getting at.

1998
03:01:40,900 --> 03:01:44,400
what is that? The easement. It's not the way that it's worded, that you've worded it. It could

1999
03:01:45,367 --> 03:01:49,200
be the structure. But if you just say five acres

2000
03:01:51,167 --> 03:01:55,133
to allow for future expansion. Okay. Are you good with that, donna? Is that,

2001
03:01:57,033 --> 03:02:00,800
because I don't know the amount of acreage. Well, we kind of got to that. He said that,

2002
03:02:02,400 --> 03:02:05,367
you know, his track's going to be, he said that. Double it would be three acres. So it's

2003
03:02:07,533 --> 03:02:09,833
really four and a half, technically. I just rounded it up. So we're going to recommend

2004
03:02:12,133 --> 03:02:12,133
that the sewer plant area be no

2005
03:02:19,033 --> 03:02:21,033
less than five acres. You good with that? Okay. We're going to

2006
03:02:24,567 --> 03:02:27,233
recommend that the minimum lot size for zone three be the same

2007
03:02:32,433 --> 03:02:35,667
as the requirements for lot size and for for zone

2008
03:02:40,033 --> 03:02:43,267
r2 of the ldr. You good with that is everybody happy?

2009
03:02:47,533 --> 03:02:50,400
so that's an amendment, I need a second, I'll second. Okay, any discussion seeing

2010
03:02:51,600 --> 03:02:51,600
none? So the motion's amended,

2011
03:02:56,100 --> 03:02:58,767
and so now we have the motion to our other motion is still

2012
03:03:02,400 --> 03:03:03,733
on the table for approval, and it's been seconded. Is

2013
03:03:06,433 --> 03:03:09,433
there any further discussion on that? This would be the motion as amended. Everybody

2014
03:03:15,400 --> 03:03:16,867
good with that? Are we all good? Good, donna? All right.

2015
03:03:20,333 --> 03:03:21,667
let's take the vote. Those in favor? Those opposed? So

2016
03:03:26,967 --> 03:03:30,067
that's, I can't count that fast, but we have one opposed,

2017
03:03:31,433 --> 03:03:34,767
but so the motion passes. Good luck, mr. Blackard. I appreciate your time. And hey,

2018
03:03:36,900 --> 03:03:40,800
our neighbors over in jamaica beach, we really appreciate you coming out more than you think. So

2019
03:03:43,733 --> 03:03:46,567
that was dirty work that was done. Hate you had to see that, but it's not over

2020
03:03:48,600 --> 03:03:51,633
till it's over. All right. So one last thing. What? Hey, I'm

2021
03:03:55,733 --> 03:03:58,567
just trying to pass the ball. So I do have,

2022
03:04:00,900 --> 03:04:04,133
before we adjourn, I have one last announcement. I'm going to be retiring,

2023
03:04:06,667 --> 03:04:08,733
be resigning my position on planning. My last meeting

2024
03:04:11,233 --> 03:04:11,233
will be our next meeting. So,

2025
03:04:19,100 --> 03:04:23,000
you know, there's some others, you know, we got, I can give you a laundry list

2026
03:04:23,967 --> 03:04:25,067
of reasons. I just think it's a good time. We got the comp plan

2027
03:04:28,967 --> 03:04:31,800
is coming down. You guys are going to need somebody that's going

2028
03:04:33,167 --> 03:04:36,733
to be here to see that through. Plus, I'm going to be a grandfather for the second time

2029
03:04:37,967 --> 03:04:41,067
in a couple weeks. So it's been almost six years. You guys have been great. You'll do great

2030
03:04:42,100 --> 03:04:45,600
without me. But anyways, I just wanted to let you know that my next meeting will be my

2031
03:04:48,567 --> 03:04:51,900
next meeting. Aw. Aw. All right. Any other business?

2032
03:04:53,667 --> 03:04:53,667
we're adjourned.