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you have that per we were yeah they
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one Bonnie was there one issue there was
one issue he what he's asking do you

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have it in your hands actually it's the
homeowner that should have been the one

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to apply so actually there's not been
one turn them bu me but we were my

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Builder was present your Builder to do I
mean I didn't know the home owner had to

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go get a building permit usually the
home builder that's building the house

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for you

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does yep that's what I'm I'm pretty sure
that most people that are building the

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house don't the home owner don't go pull
the building from the home build I don't

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know how to tell you more plainly the
ordinance needs to be complied with and

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application does and Mr Mulla has
been told that and there has not been an

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appropriate the problem is is this
should have been taken care of a month

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or so ago we were issued the
permit at that time if if somebody would

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have called me or we have had a problem
problem we would have took care of it

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but we weren't aware of it until last
week whenever we got stop building

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letter when you're building a house
that's pretty serious

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right so where do we go from here I mean
Mr M just needs to come in and do what

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he's supposed to do or what is that I
mean is it normal for the Builder to do

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this or is it normal for the home owner
to do this we've had it done both ways

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and accepted it both way and I just want
everybody to know know that we were

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issued a permit that's the reason we
started building I'm sorry if it wasn't

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correct but we were that's that's our
problem and and what he explained and

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has explained several times is to Mr
Mela is that if he signed it he's saying

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I have done all these things even though
we how it was handed out on our end when

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Mr McCulla signed it he is saying I've
done all this and and when we went to

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look at
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wasn't we were just issued a permit
we'll we'll take we'll do the steps that

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needs to be done I just need we need to
start building I'll be glad to help you

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get started um I'm not the expert but I
will try to do my best because he has

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guided me how to handle it with Mr Mulla
so the sooner the better for you all

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probably well we just want to get you I
do I want to get your house built why

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didn't Jerry come I he was
invited that's why I showed up because

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we're starting to get pretty nervous I'm
thinking maybe I should have rethought

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building in the city exactly I mean
especially two months early I didn't

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realize that yeah they you could get
issued a permit and then all of a sudden

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they get yanked back away it very
upsetting and we're out a lot of money

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so far I mean it's not something we can
stop we need to do what it's going to

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take to get your house that's what we
need do and I'll do what you guys I'll

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do what he's asking
me okay well I suppose best with the

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exception of protecting the

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city we well there's ultimately going to
have to be some resolution concerning

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the street issue but that's not
necessarily for today I mean it sounds

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to me like it's the last house built
that's when you guys will have to

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resolution Street think there have to be
agreement Mr Mulla

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owns all the other

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Lots so he it's actually the street
issue their house to be built without

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the street being accepted because I know
that on the subdivision ordinance it

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says we do not accept a street until
it's built to code so you have I mean

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it' have to you guys would have to make
him bring the street up once the last

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house rep because that's what the that's
what the subvision ordinance says and I

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I told him when I read that this could
be a problem if he's not doesn't want to

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do
that your ordinance also

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say a resident build is supposed to have
access to a public street so then you

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get into an issue does it's a private
it'll be a private Street until you guys

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accept it I mean that's how it is right
now is what you're

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saying the ordinance say the C out that
the residence is supposed to connect to

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directly to a public

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street but I'm not saying
that uh that could not be waved or

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varied if it's determined that that's
going to be a private

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stre that's that's not that's not in my
hands that's going to be between you see

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where we don't have trust in the city to
make that

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happen What in the city
the the applicant the developer of the

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subdivision has to request certain
things if they're going to request a

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variance like when this subdivision was
originally approved by the city the

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developer at the time Mr Burton sought a
variance from the city council and so in

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03 this is an old ordinance about Street

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standards and rock and depth and the
amount of asphalt well he has to vary I

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don't want to put curbs and gutters I
just want ditches and I want to put in

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an asphalt Street he originally wanted
to put in a chip and seal and the city

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said no but the city waved its Street
requirement with regard to Curves and

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gutters and so the original developer
was supposed to put in so many inches of

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rock base and so many inches of asphalt
didn't have to put in curves and gutters

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but the city never varied so the that I
can see that

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you had to put some sort of Street in
what's out there is probably a couple of

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inches of asphalt on an unknown quantity
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rock okay I guess my question is what is
the city's liability let's say Mr M

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bills what is our liability where can we
get in trouble with this and what's it

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going to cost us if we do well I don't
know the city is going to get in trouble

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I
mean we we've told Miss we told told the

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the property owner you know stop
building until you comply with our

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building ordinance and submit an
appropriate

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application that doesn't resolve the
street issue but it would resolve if you

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want to go ahead and build that's what
you're saying but you but I I think you

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got to realize
you you as a homeowner may never

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get an accepted public Street in the
Garden City that may or may not concern

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you but if Kyle Burton came to the city
in 2007 when you guys made a variant for

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him he he came in 2003 three whatever
that's meaning that the city did accept

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that plan at that time no we accepted
the variance I was I was the one a

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variance for for curbs for the curbs we
just took the curbs and it was noted in

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David Lam's letter that the that that
street was was not approved for

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acceptance until it was brought to C it
it says and City standards is the word

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used exactly and normally what happened
in that process like I explained before

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is the street did that was the last bit
of approval of any subdivision because

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of the traffic that we had to go through
effect now the 2003 yeah he has to

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present that street back to us now if he
presents that street back to us and we

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tell him Jerry you have to do XYZ and he
says oh hell no I'm not doing it well

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guess guess what that street don't get
approved till Jerry does that that's per

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the ordinance now we had it was the same
when he had a subdivision over here a

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Pioneer we had a bunch of potholes that
the trucks had made they tore up the

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street there was a little bit of
argument with Jerry I was on the council

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at the time I met with him over there I
chocked it in yellow I said this is what

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you got to do it has to come up it has
to come out eventually yes he did do it

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because he didn't want to be removing
snow from that street and having the

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neighborhood people draw a lawsuit
against him so yes he did fix the street

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to our specifications and we accepted it
back into the

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city so this is not it's not so much
about um not allowing Mr Mulla to build

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but it's I know this is a terrible thing
to say right now because I know where

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you guys are coming from if I were you I
would be upset also no problem with that

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but you want to be protected you want
want you want streets out there you you

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want to make sure that your house is
built well and you don't have any

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problems and that's all he needs to do
is come in and do because he told me

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he'd done it he told me he'd done it
then I found out he hadn't so I think

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he's done a little bit on a few things
they've asked but he's not went

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overboard on what done does it have to
be Jerry M and Jerry come in mean I'll

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do it if I need to do it
yeah anybody

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can
encourage and do

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it he says he has it all so it sounds
like it's pretty simple he has told us

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over and over and over hasn't provided
it but he's told us over and over and

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over I have it all well we don't have
the I know we don't have the Su sub

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plans
okay I need I'm going to need a permit

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before I go spending the money to get a
septic system plan and start you have to

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have it says on the one of the things
you have to have a potty Pond or a

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septic plan are we going to issue I
won't AC I mean I myself can't accept it

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I I would call for counsel would we
accept that without that I'm assuming we

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shouldn't without that that you you've
got to guide me I'm going to get one

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there's no doubt about it you got to in
C but see he's going to have to have

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well I'm not getting into it but he's
got to have a lot for you to even get I

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see there's been no percolation test
we're in the process we shut it down

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that that doesn't stop you he repeated
it does not stop you from doing the perk

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we have to have all that for C County I
mean that's a that's on the city's hands

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there that's a county no actually what
happens is we're the overseers of it the

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county tells us but we're the ones that
have to enforce it so yeah Jerry should

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have proceeded with that instead of shut
it down because that was just one other

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item that you would hadan we're
close should explain that tells us is

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what it tells us is because of the
neighbors that are going to be around

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what type of system you have do do you
have enough room for a lagon system or

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you going to have to go to an ariation
system and the DNR is going to be part

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of that I mean this is just not only
what we've done here I know you're

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frustrated I would be too I'd be mad as
hell but the DNR is going to require us

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to do have certain things done since we
have to sign off on it if something

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happens and it's wrong it falls back on
Garden City so there's some things that

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have to be done right and I'm just going
to lay it out to you honestly I had this

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conversation four times with M mall
yesterday twice I I had some nice

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language presented to me and I told him
explicitly you need to do X Y and Z

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don't draw it out on a paper you're
going to have to run over to Sam stene's

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office have him draw you a plot plan pay
the fee for it and bring it back legally

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to us and there are maybe some things
that I know the probably won't agree

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with but there are some things we can
put

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off to be done at a later date but it
has to be done Jerry can't he he can't

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come back in and say you know oh I'm not
going to you know we tell you we need it

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later we need
it I think you could be the one to

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encourage him because I've
done I'll just do it you do it myself

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okay well there's a checklist but I'll
explain that you're you're you're going

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to have to get a lot from him and he has
told us got it all now when he filled

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out the last one that I received today I
believe it was the last one this morning

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this morning the last one he filled out
every other thing on the checklist was

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city has city has city has city has
that's what he wrote on it and we had

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told
him not going to accept that it's not

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for us to provide for you uh well again
I will be the lest on between you and

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I'll let him explain more he told me I
had the survey and so I asked if the

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survey on the Miler was the was
the true survey and I understood it's

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not a survey he kept saying you hav it
why are you asking me for it but I can

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seen a survey I have seen a myar with a
description a PL I mean it's been

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surveyed because I bought the lots and
it would be very simple to have the

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survey that's what we kep legal
description I have

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legal no that's checklist I'll show you
it would be nice if the application

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describ Lots upon which the building we
did handdraw one I was part of that but

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it did we got the measurements that is
correct are you building are are you

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building on two the building that's went
up now never mind I can yes it's on two

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lots I suggest that we move on really
we've got it U but this is to protect

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you guys if you ever sell this house and
have and and you have a buyer to go for

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financing and they get into this they'll
never loan money on that

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house and if the streets are not done
right and you find out that there isn't

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really a call aack but just a street
that's going in and that's what Malla

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told me personally
today uh you're you're right there

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sitting on that on two lots by that
Colac and the Colac is is not even built

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designed to
standard and I mean we're trying to help

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you

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guys okay thank you very much Mr Weedman
and thank you thank you um we will Mr

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W know what
my Mr Mrs W will

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that call Jerry Jerry Jerry okay I've
heard that a lot tonight okay so um if

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you'll just come in and get with Von
um okay we are going to have now go to

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comments from residents
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po if You' like
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good evening my name is Connie poisel Co
Inn IE poisel p i I reside at 45 County

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Road f f is in Fox and gston Missouri I
am uh under a time constraint of three

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minutes so I have a series of questions
that I'm going to share with the council

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all at once because you can respond to
those without being under a time

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constraint as I am uh my first question
was uh why are the public comments why

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was the public comic section placed at
the end of the agenda that was addressed

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by the mayor so I'm amending that
question to uh be does the rest of the

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council agree with that that it should
be kept at the end to show courtesy to

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uh those visitors that are here there's
also something to be said about showing

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courtesy to the citizens and allowing
them to speak earlier before action is

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taken by the council so that they can
speak before the full counsel and share

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their comments regarding whether they
support something or they don't support

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something uh the next question would be
uh why was the new procedure regarding

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public comments that was implemented
tonight why does that appear to have not

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had prior board consultation and or
approval what is the city business what

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is a definition of City business uh as
it is referred to under the new comments

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procedure why was the April 4th meeting
cancelled after originally being

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rescheduled and why uh has there not
been a published resolution to what may

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be uh claims for exessive PRP time
and then the last question uh would be

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uh regarding the resending of ordinance
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637 uh I realize that the city only has
to meet the minimum requirements of the

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law however uh I would like to think the
council goes above and beyond just

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minimum requirements I'm sure in your
professional life you all go above and

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beyond just minimum requirements uh for
the clients that you might have and as

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far as the advice of the Missouri uh
Municipal Le they represent cities not

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citizens and their job appears to be
often to describe how cities can offer

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the minimum uh without getting into AAR
with the law so those are my questions

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that I submit to the full council
tonight for their consideration and

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their

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response thank you and we will take your
questions under consideration so may I

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ask what would be the timeline for resp
respon on that and will it be verbally

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at a at an open session of the council
meeting or will it be in writing form

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that will be submitted to me or mail to
me or I pick up at City Hall or

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whatever you and I can talk well I would
prefer to talk and I'm pretty sure offer

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I appreciate your offer but as a citizen
I am going to insist that I address my

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full counsel once a month I don't think
that's too much to ask and then I get a

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response from them regarding those
questions but is am I to understand that

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your response is you and I could talk or
you will all Andor you will all consider

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your responses and I will get those
responses perhaps maybe in some form

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maybe not written maybe not spoken maybe
next month or not is that correct I just

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want to thank you for coming in well
thank you for allowing me to do

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so
okay now I'm going to motion to go no oh

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I no I yeah I want to ask for motion to
go into close session pursuant to rsmo

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61021 do we have a second