1 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Can we set the clock? 2 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,840 >> All right. 3 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:24,200 >> All members of the order, please rise 4 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,000 and join me for the Pledge of 5 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,750 Allegiance. 6 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,880 » I pledge allegiance to the flag 7 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,320 of the United States of America and to 8 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,200 the republic for which it stands, one 9 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,280 nation under God, indivisible, with 10 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,870 liberty and justice for all. 11 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,470 » All right, good evening everyone. 12 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Okay, we have uh no presentations or 13 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,160 public hearings, so we can go right to 14 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,480 our public comments. So, the public are 15 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:00,760 welcome to use this time to make 16 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,400 comments about city matters or items on 17 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,560 the agenda 18 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,880 that are not part of public hearing. If 19 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,960 you wish to come forward, please limit 20 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,560 your comments to 5 minutes or less. 21 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,600 There is a time clock on your left. 22 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,840 Uh that being said, come forward, state 23 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:12,040 your name and address for the record, 24 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:20,270 and the podium is now open. 25 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,760 » Uh name's Eric Arnold. Uh address 294 26 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,520 West Westoff Place here in Gardner. 27 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,919 Um some of you might know me, remember 28 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:30,360 me. Uh been here a while ago. I applied 29 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,160 for the uh appointment a few years back. 30 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,480 Um 31 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,080 since then, um I've kind of spent time 32 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,400 watching uh how the city city spends its 33 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,440 money. 34 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Um tonight I wanted to bring up one of 35 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,960 the things the city has spent money on 36 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,600 um that I'd like to question. Uh right 37 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,200 now, the Gardner Police Department is 38 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,320 running a Flock system. 39 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Uh those are fixed cameras uh that 40 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,880 photograph every vehicle that passes, 41 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,600 log where and when, and stored in 42 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,760 searchable database. The city uh the 43 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,240 city has paid 44 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,000 uh about $33,000 for the cameras and is 45 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,760 now paying around $13,000 a year uh to 46 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,640 keep the four of them running uh on a 47 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,480 contract that will automatically renew 48 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,160 on its own. 49 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Uh city could say that these cameras uh 50 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,040 just read plates um for the police work, 51 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,840 but the department already does that in 52 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,080 the patrol cars that carry the Axon 53 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,840 systems, and plate reading is a feature 54 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,280 that um 55 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,480 that contract already pays for. So, 56 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,640 Flock isn't really filling a gap. Flock 57 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,800 is a permanent, always-on record of 58 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,760 where ordinary people go. Uh that is not 59 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,265 plate reading. That is surveillance. 60 00:07:33,265 --> 00:07:33,880 >> [snorts] 61 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,520 >> Set out to learn how it's governed 62 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,720 through open records requests uh what 63 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,680 that's like uh tells you as much as the 64 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,120 cameras will. 65 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,440 Um I've asked who can search the 66 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 database, whether anyone audits those 67 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,120 searches. Um, I pointed to the city in 68 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,320 writing uh to the controlling Kansas 69 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,400 case, which says an agency cannot defeat 70 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,240 a records request by declining to run 71 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,920 the report that produces that record. 72 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,880 I've asked them to produce those records 73 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,880 or state in writing when they cannot. 74 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,960 They have at this point done neither. 75 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,200 Their answer has been, "We are not in 76 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,480 possession." 77 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,360 About their own system that they log 78 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,400 into with their own credentials on a 79 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,440 contract that includes an audit feature. 80 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,440 I asked which outside entities can use 81 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,720 this data or reach our data. Not in 82 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,560 possession. I've asked for governing 83 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,240 policy. So, our policy governing this? 84 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,200 There is none specific to the system, 85 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 only generic city policy that never 86 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,160 mentions Flock except in one case. 87 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,840 The only spot license plate readers 88 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,919 appear in any city policy is on the list 89 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:34,840 of records that at this point the city 90 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,800 has refused to release. 91 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,640 And when I corrected the city on a law 92 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,120 it was citing, it answered with the 93 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,960 paywall, which is fully within its right 94 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,005 to charge money. 95 00:08:44,005 --> 00:08:45,000 >> [snorts] 96 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,680 >> However, the timing is interesting. 97 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,000 I asked for emails with Flock. I have 98 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,600 made that request before for emails and 99 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,680 had that time had not been charged. This 100 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,400 time, it came back with a $170 bill, 101 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,480 most of it demanded up front before 102 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,360 anyone even checks whether there are 10 103 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,760 emails or 10,000 emails. 104 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Here's why we can't wait. This contract 105 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,680 will renew itself automatically. 106 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,720 Meanwhile, Flock has rewritten its 107 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,760 standard terms at least four times in 108 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,560 the last 7 months. 109 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,480 It deleted its written promise to not 110 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,680 sell consumer data. It now claims a 111 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:21,040 perpetual license to keep using that 112 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,480 data even after a city cancels. 113 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Gardner signed terms hold for now, but a 114 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,440 contract that auto renews with a vendor 115 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,440 rewriting the rules that fast is not 116 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 something to re-up without ever looking 117 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,200 at it. 118 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,880 It's pretty wasteful on its face. 119 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Thousands of dollars in a year on 120 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,960 autopilot for surveillance that 121 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,560 duplicates the plate reading that we 122 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:43,800 already pay for. Here's what I would ask 123 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,680 you to hold on to. Is that not one of 124 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,280 you voted for this, not one of you 125 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,040 signed it, so not one of you has to 126 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,240 defend it. This was done without you the 127 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,080 same as it was done without me and the 128 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,760 difference is that you guys can do 129 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,056 something about it. 130 00:09:56,056 --> 00:09:57,440 >> [snorts] 131 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,200 >> So, I'm asking three things. Suspend the 132 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,840 system now while it has no policy and no 133 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,720 oversight behind it. 134 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,840 Serve notice of non-renewal so it does 135 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,600 not renew on its own before you've had 136 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,920 your say, and if this body does vote to 137 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,400 keep it, put a real policy behind it 138 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,760 first with the documented reason for 139 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,760 every search and audits that the public 140 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,800 can actually see, not the wall that I've 141 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,240 spent weeks running into. 142 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,920 But, I won't pretend that this is what I 143 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,480 really want. What I want is much 144 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,560 simpler. I want these cameras gone. The 145 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:29,320 county and the state may run their own 146 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,120 and I can't stop that. Gardner can. I'm 147 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,360 asking you as my representatives to take 148 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,012 us out of it. 149 00:10:36,012 --> 00:10:36,320 >> [snorts] 150 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,240 >> This contract renews on its own unless 151 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,560 you guys act. The only question tonight 152 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:41,960 is whether it keeps running because 153 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,360 nobody was willing to ask that it stop. 154 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,839 I'm asking. 155 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:47,600 And if anything that I've said tonight 156 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,680 proves inaccurate, it is only because 157 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,400 the city would not give me the records 158 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,560 to get it right. Thank you. 159 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:03,190 >> Mr. Arnold? 160 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,280 » Uh 161 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,600 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. I'm 162 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,040 Steve Shue, 1841 Sycamore Court, 163 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,880 Gardner, Kansas. 164 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,600 Even though the council president might 165 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,120 have wanted to get rid of me before the 166 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,967 meeting and 167 00:11:15,967 --> 00:11:16,880 >> [laughter] 168 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,360 >> I'm true I promise I'm not disruptive. 169 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,240 Um I will echo what uh what uh um was just said about uh by 170 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,960 Mr. Arnold about the the Flock cameras. 171 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Um I I'm going to speak more on the 172 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,320 Fourth Amendment implications of such of 173 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,000 such cameras. 174 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Um one of the issues that I've had and I 175 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,560 don't have a lot of notes, so I'm kind 176 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:39,200 of speaking uh out of you know, 177 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,400 basically 178 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,320 on you know, uh 179 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,120 out of turn. I was actually I had a I 180 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,720 had a laptop with some information and I 181 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,080 didn't bring my my my charger, so that's 182 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:48,960 all right. 183 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,600 Um but basically what it comes down to 184 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,040 is that these cameras because they're 185 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,720 stationary and they are always recording 186 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,240 24/7 365 and passing that data along 187 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,360 through 188 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,680 uh through electronic means to 189 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,720 uh other uh jurisdictions uh 190 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,440 specifically through fusion centers 191 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,800 primarily. Uh that information can be 192 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,680 networked and basically create choose 193 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:10,080 basically used to create a digital 194 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,120 dossier on an individual's movements 195 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,320 without their knowledge or consent. 196 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,480 And so basically we're talking about a 197 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,680 blatant violation of the Fourth 198 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:19,600 Amendment right to unreasonable and 199 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,320 intrusive searches and seizures without 200 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,520 a warrant that's signed by a judge. 201 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,200 Now one can say, "Well, well, that we 202 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,120 can get that information through 203 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,800 geolocation." Like, "Yes, absolutely, 204 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,080 but you still need to have a a warrant 205 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,320 signed by a judge in order to be able to 206 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,960 access geolocation data. Even with the 207 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,400 Kelsey Smith Act, which allows you to be 208 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,000 allows law enforcement to compel cell 209 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,440 phone companies within a 210 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,680 for very short period of time of doing 211 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,320 that of getting that information, they 212 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,520 still have to do a retroactive 213 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,760 administrative warrant in order to be 214 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,480 able to justify that request. Here there 215 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,839 is no oversight. There is no safeguards. 216 00:12:50,839 --> 00:12:53,080 There is no procedure to prevent that 217 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,200 from happening. And that means it's ripe 218 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,120 for abuse. And I can just bring up a 219 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,720 couple of cases here in in Kansas that where this has happened. In Kansas 220 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,520 City, Kansas, well, Lieutenant Victor 221 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,360 Hilar uh 222 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,560 actually used the Flock system to track 223 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,080 his estranged wife between September 224 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,880 23rd and October 23rd in 2022. 225 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,360 Uh he was arrested in 226 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,200 on October 26th, pleaded guilty to a 227 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,760 misdemeanor computer crime and stalking. 228 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,240 Um it's also happened in other states. 229 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,120 In Pennsylvania, uh officer Michael 230 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,400 McSherry in 2021 pleaded guilty to 231 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,080 stalking. In Niceville, Florida, Florida 232 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,120 off former officer Cody Hall in 2026 233 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,560 pleaded no contest after using the 234 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:31,960 department's spot system to track 235 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 another officer's movements. 236 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,200 Um as you can see, this this can and has 237 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,600 been abused in the past by other 238 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,200 jurisdictions and even in Kansas where 239 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,240 we live. 240 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,560 Um there's a most recent case that 241 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,640 actually took place um just up the road 242 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,160 in Bonner Springs. 243 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Um detective uh Kyle Rector Rector, and I believe this was actually 244 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,320 in the local news, uh allegedly used 245 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,840 readers to track his estranged wife and 246 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,120 two men he suspected were her partners. 247 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Um this has been charged. It's an 248 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,440 alleged violation, um but it has not 249 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,800 been a conviction in that yet, but it's 250 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,800 still in the system and will be going to 251 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,760 trial. So, as you can see, this is 252 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,760 something we have to get a rein on. Uh 253 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,880 these AI these AI-enabled cameras can 254 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,440 actually create uh because of the fact 255 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:12,600 that they're being networked and 256 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,200 integrated with other cameras across 257 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,960 other jurisdictions, can be used to 258 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,400 create a digital dossier on an 259 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,120 individual's movements, which could 260 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,960 ultimately be used to curtail an 261 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,560 individual's movements in the future. 262 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,560 This is absolutely wrong. It is 263 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,080 absolutely a violation of the Fourth 264 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,760 Amendment and absolutely needs to be 265 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,040 stopped. And if we can do it here at the 266 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,600 local level, 267 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,920 we can't necessarily control what the 268 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,600 state and the county are doing, as just 269 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 as Eric said, but we can absolutely 270 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,440 control what happens within our borders. 271 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,320 I hope and pray that this body, which I 272 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,240 was a part of for 12 years, will make 273 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,440 that decision and get these things 274 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,880 offline. Thank you. 275 00:14:46,880 --> 00:15:02,230 >> Thank you, Mr. Shute. 276 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,880 » Good evening, Mayor, council members. Uh 277 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,080 my name is Alan Plesberg. My residence 278 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,240 is in the northeast area of Gardner, 279 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,400 Kansas, 520 Farmer Way, 66030. 280 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Um 281 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,240 a comment with a little different tone 282 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,940 than the previous two for this evening. 283 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:22,200 >> [clears throat] 284 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,440 >> It has to do with a report I made last 285 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,080 year having to do with our city 286 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,360 fireworks policy. 287 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,120 I would like to take this opportunity to 288 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,080 thank the mayor and the council members 289 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,040 for taking note of my report last July 290 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,600 during a meeting 291 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,360 that fireworks were being discharged on 292 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Gardner Municipal Airport property. 293 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Um I mentioned my concern at the time 294 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,320 because I am a member of the glider 295 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:46,880 club. 296 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,840 >> up a little bit, sir, please? 297 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,400 >> I'm a member of the glider club that 298 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,160 uh rents hangars and operates out of 299 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,880 Gardner Municipal Airport. And my report 300 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,120 indicated that there was fireworks 301 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,160 activity not in agreement with the city 302 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,000 ordinance regarding discharge on public 303 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,240 property as well as presenting a 304 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,080 possible hazard 305 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,480 to the aircraft hangars nearby, 306 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,280 aircraft, and aviation fuel pump. 307 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,960 Um it also generated an hour-long task 308 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,080 for a city employee to clean up after it 309 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,190 last year. 310 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,120 I suggested the report it would be 311 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,680 helpful for the city to generate signs 312 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,720 that indicated that it was against the 313 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,120 ordinance and perhaps some additional 314 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,320 patrol engine the area. 315 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,920 I'm pleased to report at this time that 316 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,560 the signs and other city efforts last 317 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,600 month seem to have had a positive effect 318 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,560 at the municipal airport. Jim Holgravers 319 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,640 told me that there was no debris 320 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,800 to clean up on property this 321 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,880 year. 322 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,960 He attends the airport facility daily 323 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,920 and mentioned to me he thought the signs 324 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,240 had a positive effect. 325 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,720 Maybe the July 4th weather and the rain 326 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,079 showers the late afternoon affected 327 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:07,800 people's their eagerness to light them, 328 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,720 but it's a welcome change from an hour's 329 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,079 worth of cleanup duty to none at all. 330 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:15,720 Um 331 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,000 so 332 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,360 it [clears throat] helped us protect the 333 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,480 aviation property 334 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,120 and the hangers we use out there. 335 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:26,160 As a side note, there were signs along 336 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Moonlight and Pharma over here near my 337 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,920 residence, but there was fair amount of 338 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,400 debris in along my street and the house. 339 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,000 I still had to clean up things from my 340 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,360 driveway and yard. The casual approach 341 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,480 to the ordinance is still a trend in 342 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,400 some parts of the city. 343 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,480 But again, thank you for your attention 344 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,800 to the city's airport. 345 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,440 Mayor, council members, thank you for 346 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,320 your time and attention this evening. 347 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,880 I'll provide a 348 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,280 copy of my remarks to Mr. Hedley, who's 349 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,000 the airport manager, and available for 350 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,520 comments or questions if desired. Thank 351 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,440 you. 352 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:19,790 >> Thank you, sir. 353 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,200 » How y'all doing? 354 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,640 Mr. Mayor and council, thank you very 355 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,920 much for having us. My name is Andy 356 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,360 Akright. This is my son, Robbie. 357 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,960 Um and we are now 358 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,000 proud residents of Gardner. Finally, we 359 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 just moved in May. 360 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,280 So, uh 30200 361 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,200 West 185th 362 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Street. Uh so, yeah. Uh that's good. Oh, 363 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,120 real quick, on the fireworks thing, 364 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:46,560 y'all are crazy. I'm just going to say 365 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,440 like there's a lot of fireworks here, 366 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,880 but it was amazing that they just 367 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,160 stopped. Like at the 368 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,400 that night, just like everybody knew they had a good thing and 369 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,880 it could get taken away if they broke 370 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,360 the rules, so they just stopped. Uh so, 371 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,720 an intense amount of fireworks, but 372 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,000 everybody seemed to follow the rules, so 373 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,760 that's cool. Uh so, appreciate that. 374 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Um 375 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,560 so, we're here uh about parks and rec. 376 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,960 And I apologize that it's so late, but 377 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,120 moving was crazy and all that stuff. So, 378 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,880 just want to thank you all for another 379 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,800 great season of soccer 380 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,800 in the spring. Fall season's about to 381 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,880 start up. Um so, it's been a really good 382 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,480 time. The last time I was here, I asked 383 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,680 about holes in Gardner Elementary soccer 384 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,520 field and was told to go to the school 385 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,160 board or to the, you know, 386 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,120 schools and I'll let you know that like 387 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,360 two emails and boom, they fixed it. It 388 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,840 was awesome. Um so, that was all fixed. 389 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,440 So, thank you guys for that. And thank 390 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,560 you to the schools for partnering so 391 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,280 well with us. Um we also do basketball 392 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,120 and they do a great job with the gyms. 393 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,680 It's just a matter of telling them, you 394 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,320 know, if they if something needs 395 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,640 improving. So, it's very cool. 396 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,920 Um what I'd like to highlight 397 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,080 today is the cost. So, thank you again 398 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,680 for your funding. 399 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,000 The cost in these times, I'm sure you 400 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,560 know people are budgeting and seeing 401 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,760 what they're going to spend money on, 402 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:14,800 what they're 403 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,120 going to try and use. It's only $80 to 404 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:21,160 play soccer. That's seven games and a 405 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,160 jersey and two months of practice. So, 406 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,600 if you compare that to going to the 407 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,480 movies or going to a Royals game, 408 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,320 like woo, 80 bucks is nothing. Um and 409 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,320 what what that does is already 410 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,400 the Parks and Rec gives an opportunity 411 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,280 for people of all abilities to come and 412 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,520 to play, which is a big thing that you 413 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,800 don't get in other leagues where you can 414 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,440 be on a team, but you might not actually 415 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:46,560 play. 416 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,640 Um you get to play all ability levels, 417 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,800 but also economic levels, too. When 418 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,920 you're thinking about, you know, 419 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,840 what are we going to spend our money on 420 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,960 and can we do it? And it gives an 421 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,080 opportunity to those people who maybe 422 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,640 couldn't afford a premier team or 423 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,680 whatnot to to play a sport. And I really 424 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,000 appreciate you funding that so that we 425 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000 can keep those costs low to keep 426 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,080 giving the opportunity to kids. So, 427 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,640 thank you very much. It's from 428 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,640 4-years-old through eighth grade. When 429 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,480 you get to fifth grade, we don't have 430 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,120 enough teams to make a whole league. So, 431 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,240 we play with um 432 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,200 in the Tri-County League. So, I 433 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,120 appreciate that they figured out a way 434 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,120 to still have a way to for kids to play 435 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,600 in Parks and Rec that um 436 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,840 you know, might not otherwise. So, but I 437 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,000 know you want to hear from Robbie. So, 438 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,790 Robbie's got three things for you. 439 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,440 » Some of the things I like about playing 440 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,360 soccer is like the 441 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,280 being like put being able to like play 442 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,520 with my friends like after school kind 443 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,520 of 444 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,240 like stuff like the fun stuff we do at 445 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,840 practice and like 446 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,120 just like playing games, too. 447 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,080 Then some things that it's helped me 448 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,910 learn is like being a good leader. 449 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,800 Being able to work as a team better and 450 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:25,350 good sportsmanship. 451 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,680 » All right, so 452 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,480 camera's right there, right? All right, 453 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,040 so signing up's officially kind of ended 454 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,800 yesterday, but 455 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,000 you have a late fee. It's only 95 bucks. 456 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,440 So, it's a $15 late fee and that's still 457 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,280 seven games, two months of practice, and 458 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,360 a jersey. You can still sign up. So, 459 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,920 sign up. It's a good time. Volunteer 460 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480 coaches and great things. And with the 461 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,000 Blue Jays with our team, this will be 462 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,440 the 11th season and we have always 463 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000 followed three rules and they are we 464 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,720 play 465 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,360 >> hard. 466 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,040 >> We play 467 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,560 >> fair. 468 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,360 >> And we have 469 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:57,800 >> fun. 470 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,520 >> All right, thank you guys. Appreciate 471 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,360 it. 472 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:09,270 >> Thank you. 473 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,960 » All right. Thank you everyone. 474 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,160 We will 475 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,400 move on to consent agenda. Is there any 476 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,080 item on the consent agenda Council like 477 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,320 to remove? 478 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,360 >> Number five. 479 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,800 >> I hear motion for consent agenda items 480 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,040 number one through four. 481 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:24,880 >> So moved. 482 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,120 >> Second. 483 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,360 >> Motion Baldwin second Eaton we approve 484 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,520 items one through four. All in favor? 485 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,160 Opposed? Stan I'm sorry Council 486 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,680 person Johnson is joining us by Zoom I 487 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,320 believe correct? 488 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,280 >> Yes I'm here. 489 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,720 >> Yes thank you for joining us. I I 490 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,320 apologize to say that. 491 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,960 >> Oh no worries. 492 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,920 >> You're wondering what the voice is. 493 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Um okay. So consent agenda items one 494 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,760 through four pass. 495 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,440 Uh consent agenda item number five 496 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,800 consider approving a budget amendment to 497 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,440 include mandatory overseas import 498 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,720 tariffs for a substation or transformer 499 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,440 purchase. 500 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,640 >> So my question is 501 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,840 the amount is approximately 12.8% of the 502 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,120 purchase 503 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,840 and the tariff is 15% used to be 25. So 504 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,720 I just wanted to make sure that whatever 505 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,400 number we're multiplying to get to that 506 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040 number is actually the 15% and not 25% 507 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,480 now that it's changed back. 508 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,320 >> Uh 509 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,280 the amount is the amount that's provided 510 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,760 by the supplier of the tariff basically 511 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,000 that will be the amount of the amount of 512 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:37,830 the tariff that WE SHOULD SEE. 513 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,662 » I OBJECT. 514 00:24:39,662 --> 00:24:41,480 >> [laughter] 515 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,990 >> YEAH I'M SURPRISED BY that too. 516 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,840 » So that's the max up to that maximum 517 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,440 amount. 518 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,320 >> Yeah it is the maximum amount. We don't 519 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,960 have the exact tariff amount. We will 520 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,880 not know that till the 18th of September 521 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,120 and it's the timing that we need to pay 522 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,360 this or have this approval and pay that 523 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:07,750 tariff amount, it's going to 524 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,320 not fall under. I guess that's the best 525 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,080 way to phrase it. 526 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,760 So, the amount that I 527 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,040 proposed to you is the maximum amount 528 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,030 that we should see for the tariff. 529 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,240 » So, it's not to exceed. 530 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,040 >> Not to exceed. 531 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,480 >> And we're comfortable We're pretty 532 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,440 positive on this. 533 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,590 Okay. All right, then I'm good. 534 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,880 All right. Any other comments on uh 535 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,390 consent agenda item five? 536 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,560 Do I hear a motion? 537 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,760 >> So moved. 538 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,720 >> Okay. 539 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,520 Uh motion Baldwin, uh second McNair. 540 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,720 We approve a budget amendment to include 541 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,400 mandatory overseas import tariffs for 542 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,200 the substation for transformer purchase. 543 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,000 All in favor? 544 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,880 >> Aye. 545 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,320 >> Sorry. All opposed? 546 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Sustain, uh consent agenda item number 547 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,520 five passes. 548 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Uh planning and zoning consent. 549 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,720 Council like to discuss that? 550 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,160 I hear a motion to approve. 551 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:09,880 >> So moved. 552 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,560 >> Second. 553 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,280 >> Motion Baldwin, second Deaton. We 554 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,720 approve planning and zoning consent. All 555 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,520 in favor? 556 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,000 >> Aye. 557 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,720 >> All opposed? Sustain, planning and 558 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,200 zoning consent passes. 559 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,160 Uh that does it for new business. We do 560 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,080 have 561 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,800 We're going to schedule an executive 562 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,440 session of about 10 minutes for an after 563 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,400 this meeting for attorney-client 564 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,600 privilege. 565 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,560 Um 566 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,480 but, we'll move into council 567 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,560 >> Yeah, it's still part of the meeting. It's not 568 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,400 We're not going to adjourn. I just 569 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,200 >> Oh, yeah. You said after the meeting, so 570 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,360 >> Oh, sorry. 571 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,720 After new business, then. 572 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,320 Business after this. 573 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,590 Sorry, Skip. 574 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,640 Um 575 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,880 okay, so let's move to council updates. 576 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840 Um, start uh let's Chief Aaron, are you ready? 577 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,560 >> Sure. 578 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,520 >> Okay, I don't know if you want to speak 579 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,920 a little bit about the Flock cameras for 580 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,160 the 581 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,760 >> Sure. Um, 582 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,560 right now we have one stationary Flock 583 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,120 camera deployed. 584 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,160 Um, 585 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,240 that's it. 586 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320 For Flock in the city. 587 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,880 Um, 588 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,120 but and we are also going through 589 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:17,320 accreditation, so we're looking at 590 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,910 policy. 591 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,000 And we're looking at every single 592 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,440 policies we go through, so I'm 593 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,720 interested in updating policy. We just 594 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,080 started the current process of doing 595 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,080 that now. 596 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,640 General IT 597 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760 uh covers most of our software service. 598 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,360 But I completely agree that in some 599 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,680 technologies having a more robust policy 600 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,080 would be a better thing. 601 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,400 So, that's one of the things that we're 602 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040 going to look to do. When you ask for 603 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,920 the quarter request, that's what we have 604 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,440 right now for policy. 605 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Um, 606 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,160 tomorrow night is night out at the pool 607 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,520 from 6:00 to 8:00. It's a It's a 608 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,960 national thing. 609 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Um, 610 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,040 it's community policing driven, forward 611 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,240 facing. Basically, we're going to cook 612 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,040 hot dogs. Every member of the public is 613 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,760 invited. Pool's open from 6:00 to 8:00. 614 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,360 Please come join us. 615 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:04,560 Hot dogs, 616 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,040 meet our officers, get a chance to talk 617 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,640 to them, and hang out for a couple 618 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,680 hours, and utilize the 619 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Sure. 620 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,280 >> Thank you. 621 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,400 >> Wait, uh can I ask uh 622 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,560 on the Flock, when when is Do you know when Off 623 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,040 >> Off the air. 624 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,350 >> when the renewal will be for that or 625 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,040 » Not off the top of my head. I do not. 626 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,800 >> Okay. 627 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600 >> Next next year is the renewal 628 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,960 on it. 629 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,950 >> Okay. 630 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,240 » Uh Renee. 631 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,160 >> Um, I [clears throat] just want to 632 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,040 mention that we have an opening on our 633 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,800 planning commission. We've had our um 634 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280 position posted for 2 weeks, and are we 635 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,680 to have any applications, so we're 636 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,750 hoping that we'll find a few new people. 637 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760 » That finance? 638 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880 >> Yes. Um we heard comments from council 639 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,480 last year during the budget process, and 640 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320 we took those to heart. We got a draft 641 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,880 of the budget book online already. 642 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,960 So, we're earlier than usual. 643 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,000 Um it's got all the core elements, and 644 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,080 if we have another version come out with 645 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,280 some more um sections of it, we'll add 646 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,520 it up later on. But, you can go out and 647 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,320 see basically all the core information 648 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,710 of the budget. 649 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,160 » Nothing to add. 650 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,560 >> Administrator. I mean, sorry. Sorry. 651 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,750 >> Nothing from me. 652 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,400 » Dave? 653 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,320 >> Nothing. 654 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,920 >> Jason? 655 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640 >> Nothing from me. 656 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,440 >> Ellen? 657 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,200 >> Nothing from me. 658 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,920 >> Administrator? 659 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,520 >> So, we had a request for a supplemental 660 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,320 budget report that lists 661 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,560 expenses over 50,000, and Matt and I are 662 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,040 putting that together, and it'll be out. 663 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,320 I'll send it out to council sometime 664 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,870 this week. 665 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,200 » Councilperson Johnson? 666 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,640 >> Um just a couple couple things. One, 667 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440 thank you to Renee for getting me set up 668 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,760 on Zoom. I appreciate it. Um thank you 669 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,400 also to everybody who came and spoke 670 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,040 tonight. As always, we appreciate. Um I 671 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,240 know I appreciate hearing from you and 672 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,360 what's important to you and what's on 673 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,840 your mind. So, thank you for coming. 674 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680 Um and then to everybody, just a 675 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,400 reminder that tomorrow is the primary 676 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,120 day, so please go vote if you haven't 677 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,160 already. 678 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880 Um it's important, so just go get it 679 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,680 done. Thank you. 680 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,560 >> Thank you. 681 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,160 Councilman McNair? 682 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,200 >> Yes. I have three items. 683 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,640 Renee, could you put some photos up for 684 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080 me, please? 685 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,640 Uh 686 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,600 this was Friday during the afternoon. 687 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,200 And uh 688 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,840 our granddaughters, picture them on the 689 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,880 in the right, uh had a lemonade stand. 690 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,680 And Gardner Police Department heard 691 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,840 about it, and our officers responded in force, 692 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,160 and it was awesome. 693 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Uh these guys, 694 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,760 you know, 695 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,560 came out. 696 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,520 They saw our grand They made it uh they 697 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,040 helped our grandkids. 698 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,600 Uh 699 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040 they were very good as far as 700 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520 uh showing up and showing how community 701 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,440 policing 702 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,600 is at its best. 703 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,520 And 704 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,120 uh just want to say thank you for making 705 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,880 our granddaughters' day. 706 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,560 Uh 707 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920 it was it was an awesome thing. 708 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,720 Uh 709 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,760 next one is uh I want to go uh I don't 710 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,160 know if everybody made it to the county 711 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,840 fair this last week or not, but it was a phenomenal fair this year. 712 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,960 Uh 713 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920 and kudos Mike Brock and his new fair 714 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,080 board. 715 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,800 Uh 716 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,360 Mike is the new president of the fair 717 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,800 board, and there was significant work 718 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,040 put into the fair this year. I I noticed 719 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,120 a massive difference. 720 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Uh 721 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,040 again, uh Gardner Police Department and 722 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,680 Johnson County Sheriff 723 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,840 get a big shout-out. Uh 724 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,800 they did a phenomenal job at the fair. 725 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,760 Uh 726 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,360 coverage was excellent, 727 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,720 and I just 728 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,200 generally appreciated it. Uh I was going 729 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,000 to comment on Block 200 this last night. 730 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,880 And the only thing else I have to do is 731 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,680 uh 732 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,320 is a little bit on spending. Thank you 733 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,480 for getting the 734 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,480 $50,000 of 735 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,560 uh I think that uh 736 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,520 as we go forward, 737 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,080 uh 738 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,560 seeing that we don't have a lot of 739 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,840 commercial and industrial, we're going 740 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,840 to need to be watching the budgets 741 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,280 fairly close. 742 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,480 And 743 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,120 I'd like to see if we can get to the 744 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,600 point to where 745 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,400 we don't spend as much, 746 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:32,960 uh 747 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,080 and maybe put some of that back into 748 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,600 CMP. 749 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,320 Uh 750 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,240 and uh not have to go out of 751 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,480 $10 million in a meeting of mine. 752 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,480 That made me 753 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,160 kind of back 754 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,240 and have some cash. So, that's all I 755 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,320 have. 756 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,320 Thanks. 757 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,560 >> Thanks again, Chief. 758 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,600 >> Councilman Bean? 759 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,480 >> Uh, 760 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,160 I'll speak to 761 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680 um, Mr. Fosberg's uh, comments on uh, 762 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,360 the fireworks. I did hear back from 763 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,200 uh, the uh, school board as well. Um, or 764 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000 from the the school district. They 765 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,920 appreciated the signs. They said they 766 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,920 uh, 767 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,440 seem to have the desired effect. So, the 768 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,200 ones out at the airport also had the 769 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,520 desired effect. Maybe it was the 770 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,720 weather, too, but we'll take it whatever 771 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,720 we can get, and we'll 772 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,600 uh, try and take another step forward 773 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,640 next year. I know been talking with uh, the Chief and um, you the Mayor and 774 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,960 uh, with some ideas for next year. So, 775 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,440 we'll we'll get those out there. I'll 776 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,800 send out my notes eventually. And uh, can't say it enough, go vote. Uh, 777 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,200 that's it. 778 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,720 >> Thank you. 779 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,560 >> First question. 780 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,120 >> Yeah, so I have some questions about the 781 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,280 flock stuff, and I'm not super familiar 782 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,310 with all of that. 783 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,720 Um, but so we have one camera that's 784 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,480 ours. I know there's several that are 785 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,440 the state's and the counties. 786 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Um, 787 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,360 what is the difference between the 788 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,600 stationary flock camera and the LPRs, 789 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,080 and why do we feel like having the 790 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,920 in the cars, and why do we feel like 791 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,200 having the one camera is beneficial to 792 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,520 us as opposed to the cars 793 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,000 only? 794 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,120 >> Sure. Um, 795 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,000 so generally with the fleet on fleet 796 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,600 ALPRs 797 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,040 that are in the vehicles, as the 798 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,159 officers are going to calls for service 799 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,320 or patrolling, that's going to alert 800 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,440 them on a tag, car stolen, tag stolen, 801 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,879 there's an Amber Alert, Silver Alert, 802 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,480 missing person, 803 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000 uh, warrants are associated with the 804 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,800 vehicles. So, generally that's the 805 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,120 purpose of what we call fleet ALPR. 806 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,919 The one was installed in 807 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,760 That was before I got here. Um 808 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,200 and I I won't disclose at this point in 809 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,520 time the intersection, but generally it 810 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,879 is to look at um if you have a suspect 811 00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:49,600 potentially leaving an area so that 812 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,720 you're able to track uh the general 813 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:53,159 direction of movement of where the 814 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,720 suspect went 815 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,200 uh in relation to a crime. 816 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,640 If they're stationary, obviously, then 817 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,280 you're going to be able to see the 818 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,520 general 819 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,840 area of movement. If they're in the 820 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480 cars, the cars are moving, so 821 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,120 you're going to get locations, but it's 822 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,120 not going to show you the exact location 823 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,960 they were at at that time saying they 824 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,400 were at that intersection at this point 825 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,200 in time or at the next intersection at 826 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,560 this point in time. Maybe after uh 827 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,920 some type of crime is reported if that 828 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,200 makes sense. Does that answer your 829 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,720 question? 830 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:21,640 >> Yeah, yeah. 831 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,480 And then so then my next question is 832 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560 it's been in before you got here, so 833 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,160 several years. Have we ever audited that 834 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,920 to make sure that nobody internally has 835 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,080 abused that system? 836 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,120 >> I asked for when I got here to go ahead 837 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,800 and give me an updated uh audit. I don't 838 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,080 know what was done prior to that, I'll 839 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,160 be honest with you. I think 840 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,720 most of the time it's complaint-driven, 841 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,920 meaning someone complains about the 842 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,040 situations that you brought up earlier, 843 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,920 and then that's what causes the audit. 844 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,080 Those are things that I'll want to look 845 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,040 at as we update policy. 846 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,880 >> Yeah, if we decide to 847 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,600 keep the camera, I would like a policy 848 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,160 of like auditing cuz I might not know if 849 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,240 somebody is watching me, you know, and 850 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,840 so if it's all only complaint-driven, 851 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,720 that's a little bit concerning. I'd like 852 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:11,240 to see something in the policy of auditing. And do you know right now 853 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:15,080 who is able to access that and the rules 854 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,840 they have to follow to be able to access 855 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,680 that data? 856 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,400 >> For the flock. 857 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,520 >> Specific to the audit or just using the 858 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:21,960 system? 859 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,600 >> Using the system. If if I want to look 860 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,120 at a license plate can any of our 861 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:26,920 officers do that? 862 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,680 >> All sworn officers have the ability to 863 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,240 yes, to access it. Um it follows the 864 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,200 same rules under NCIC and KCJ. If I were 865 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,360 to run a tag manually, then I have to 866 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,480 have a reason to do it. And it's the 867 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,160 same with the system. You have to have a 868 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,600 reason, 869 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:49,430 uh specific purpose to run a query. 870 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,160 » Thank you, Mr. Bryant. 871 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,590 >> Yes, ma'am. 872 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,920 Mr. Bryant. 873 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,640 >> How many Flock cameras are in the city 874 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,600 limits that aren't the city's? 875 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,080 >> To my knowledge, just we just have just 876 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,880 one. 877 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,280 >> Okay. 878 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,440 >> To the best of my knowledge, there is 879 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,920 one Flock 880 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000 camera, to the best of my knowledge, 881 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,320 uh in this city. We own that one, but I 882 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,560 don't believe there's any other Flock 883 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,120 ones in the city limits. 884 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,440 >> Okay. And then 885 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,720 as my 886 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,080 8-year-old would figure out the wiggle 887 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,470 room here, any other brand cameras? 888 00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:20,680 >> [laughter] 889 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,480 >> Yes, that belong to the county. 890 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,920 And it's they are not Flock. 891 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,080 >> Okay. And what are our 892 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,920 rights, if you will, not the right word, 893 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,680 but um prerogative, if we don't want the 894 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,190 county's cameras in the city? 895 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,560 » That's probably above my pay grade, pay 896 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,720 grade, sir. 897 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,361 >> Ryan? 898 00:37:44,361 --> 00:37:45,480 >> [laughter] 899 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,960 >> I have to look at it. Um I mean, if it's on our equipment, um 900 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,120 >> Cuz it's probably on one of our poles, 901 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,480 right? 902 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,320 >> Right. I mean, we we should have the 903 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960 right to control that, um but 904 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,400 that 905 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,560 may fall into, you know, right of way 906 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,640 use. I mean, like we we can't 907 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,960 just simply tell people who want to use 908 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,160 our right of way no in many in many 909 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,720 instances. 910 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:12,680 Um 911 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,560 I've 912 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:19,480 never had that question before on the on the a governmental use of our 913 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,720 right of way. Um 914 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,720 so I I'd probably want to look into it a 915 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:24,680 little bit more. 916 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,600 >> Okay. Well, then I don't guess I have 917 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,720 any more on that tonight cuz sounds like 918 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,880 we have a few things to look into. So. 919 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600 Okay. Um 920 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,440 That's what I had on that. Um I'm glad 921 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,640 to see that the signs made a difference 922 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,600 with the fireworks. Um 923 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,640 you know, maybe it was the weather, 924 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040 maybe it wasn't, but like you said, I 925 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,040 whatever 926 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,480 benefit we got. 927 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,440 Um 928 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,880 and it's nice that it saved us an hour 929 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,120 of cleanup out there. It's great. 930 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,080 Um 931 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,240 and uh 932 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,760 and the uh 933 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,720 keep uh that positive attitude. I mean, 934 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,640 you're always eager and excited to come 935 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,640 up here. So, glad to have you and keep 936 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,680 coaching. 937 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,200 All right. That's all I got. 938 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,240 >> And I would just say, you know, 939 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,400 sounds like there's a lot of questions 940 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,120 about the the cameras and fog. So, maybe 941 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,280 uh the next week or so, why don't 942 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,560 you email to Jim 943 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,240 and 944 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,440 I'll let you think of more questions or 945 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,760 things you're curious about. 946 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,080 >> We can 947 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,080 before it's renewed, come in and do a 948 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,320 presentation and get, you know, council 949 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,640 approval for the renewal. 950 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,920 So, we can do that 951 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,520 >> do that towards the 952 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,680 >> with plenty of time to be able to 953 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,760 cancel. We'll have to look at 954 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,160 cancellation period stuff. We can do an 955 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,000 actual council approval on that renewal. 956 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,680 >> Can we look into before that when it 957 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,840 does renew like cuz if that's in 11 958 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,520 months, that's a really long time. 959 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,480 Obviously, we can't, you know, whatever. 960 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,320 But then can you send out the current 961 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,200 policy? I know it's just the generic 962 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,800 policy and then maybe like a timeline of 963 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600 when we're going to write a new 964 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,990 policy or look at that? 965 00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,480 » Yes, ma'am. 966 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,120 >> Thank you. 967 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,320 >> I think that that's kind of the idea 968 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,080 that we're going 969 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,120 >> Yeah. 970 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,680 >> One of the questions that I 971 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,240 I'd have is 972 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,000 do we do we know what if any other 973 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,080 agencies or entities 974 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,960 that our data goes to or could be used 975 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,270 for? 976 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,040 And you may not know that. We can 977 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,320 >> I mean, I think this Flock is like a national 978 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,160 >> It's It's over 100,000 cameras. 979 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:26,840 >> Yeah. 980 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,200 So, there's 120,000 981 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,840 >> They're tied into universities. They're 982 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,960 tied into 983 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,360 school systems. 984 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,040 Uh 985 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,480 attorney general offices 986 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,000 >> Right. 987 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,960 >> insurance companies 988 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,120 Uh anybody can basically buy this 989 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960 information. 990 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,480 >> Yeah, I'd like to kind of have an idea 991 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560 what our exposure is. 992 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,520 If I may 993 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,760 >> Just one clarification. There is I know 994 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,320 there's third-party 995 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,880 private businesses that purchase it. 996 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,200 They don't get our information. They 997 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,400 can't get our information because it's 998 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,840 protected by NCIC and Casey changes. 999 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520 Now, to that point, if there's 10 other 1000 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,280 law enforcement agencies willing to 1001 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,120 share that that information, then yes. 1002 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,120 But they can't go to a private entity. 1003 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,960 Like you'll see them at a Walmart or 1004 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,560 other businesses. They don't get 1005 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,840 anything that's law enforcement. How 1006 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,440 come law enforcement 1007 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,720 access those if they grant them access? 1008 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:21,760 Yes. 1009 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,640 >> But Chief, I guess that's I guess what I 1010 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,000 was asking is for example I'm just being 1011 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,400 hypothetical here. So, let's say you made weekly trips to 1012 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,560 maybe 1013 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,560 uh Nebraska or Iowa or something like 1014 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,520 that. And the cameras started picking 1015 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,120 you up there and your insurance company 1016 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,840 buys information. 1017 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,760 And now they know that you're driving 1018 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,200 maybe 20,000 mi a year and 1019 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,320 maybe your policy is rated at 10,000 mi 1020 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,320 a year. 1021 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,200 Uh they're getting information feed 1022 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,200 about where your car is and that has 1023 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,320 been. 1024 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,520 Uh this stuff is so detailed they create 1025 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,760 a fingerprint of every car. 1026 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,600 Uh 1027 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,680 It's dents, scratches, 1028 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,240 bumper stickers. 1029 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,720 You name it. That's how this system is 1030 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,360 flagged to make sure the individual car. 1031 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,080 So, uh 1032 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,440 They can track movement of just about 1033 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,200 any vehicle for a crossing guard. 1034 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,240 >> Yeah, we can gather information on what 1035 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,720 the information is used for and 1036 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:19,160 >> Sure. 1037 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,840 >> what the policy is and bring that before 1038 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,680 council. 1039 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,710 >> That would be great. Thank you. 1040 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,120 » Okay, I have nothing further. 1041 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,254 Uh but we do have an executive session. 1042 00:42:31,254 --> 00:42:32,400 >> [clears throat] 1043 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,280 >> Do we hear a motion to go into executive 1044 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,480 session? 1045 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,320 >> So moved. 1046 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,120 >> Second. 1047 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,160 >> Motion Baldwin, second McNair. We go 1048 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,720 into session at 7:38, returning at 7:48. 1049 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,760 All in favor? 1050 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,360 >> Aye. 1051 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,320 >> All opposed? Abstain? 1052 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,830 We're in executive session. 1053 00:42:55,840 --> 00:49:54,750 » Thank you. 1054 00:49:54,760 --> 00:53:34,750 » Mhm. 1055 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,920 » I will get you my card, man. 1056 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,760 >> All right. 1057 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,720 >> It is 7:48. I'll entertain a motion to 1058 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:39,280 meet. 1059 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,080 >> You're welcome. 1060 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,520 >> So moved. 1061 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,200 >> Baldwin. 1062 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,560 >> You're welcome. 1063 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,320 >> Second. 1064 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,200 >> Motion by Baldwin, second by D'Eletto, 1065 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,960 we're in regular session. All in favor? 1066 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,190 >> Aye. 1067 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,280 » Uh do I hear a motion to adjourn? 1068 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:51,880 >> So moved. 1069 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:52,480 >> Second. 1070 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,720 >> Motion by McKinney, second by D'Eletto, 1071 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:54,720 we adjourn. All in favor? 1072 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,080 >> Aye. 1073 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,760 >> All opposed? Abstain? 1074 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,840 We are adjourned. Thank you everyone.