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Oh really?

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This time I would like to call the order of

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the August 26, 2026 meeting of the Garfield County Planning

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Commission. Brooke roll call, please. Reed Jolly? Here. Kohlberger.

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Here. Eric Brad? Here. John Kerson. She's Lammy. Here. Mike

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Daimler. Steve Kyle? Here. Cambol Blazer.

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Loud. Yep, I'm like. Very good, thank you. I see

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we have a quorum so we can proceed. Tonight's public

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hearing is for a rezoning from rural to PUD and

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a major subdivision sketch plan review. For the Mitchell Creek

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Community PUD located at 50235 Highway 6 and 24. Glenwood

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Springs, Colorado 81601. Project involves parcels number 21.

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Same thing ending in 73 and 77. Her presenter on

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this hearing tonight is John Laborne. Burked just reminded me

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that you have approval of minutes, Mr. Chairman. Oh yes.

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Lately I've had that problem. In front of you, sorry

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that they're so late. All right, so the first agenda

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item is to prove them in itself. Thank you. Is

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any additions deletions or corrections to the minutes. I'm very

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emotionally improved. Is there a second? I'll second. It's been

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moved in second. Voice vote, all in favor say aye.

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Aye. Aye. Same sign. Motion caring. Now we can move

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on. I'm not going to repeat the parcel numbers. Our

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meeting tonight is Representative Tonight is John Laborne and you're

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here. And I assume you are ready. Right? Yes, sir.

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And our applicant tonight, I believe is Nell's, Cotter and

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Andrew Settle. And are you here? So please come forward.

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And take a chair and introduce yourselves. If you have

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anyone else that's going to join you other than the

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two of you.

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Hi everyone. It's a privilege to be here. My name

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is Needles and we're really excited to. Talk about this

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project. I believe our presentation is after your presentation, correct?

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Perfect. So very excited to see you for joining us.

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Like all commission public hearings. Tonight's public hearing will consist

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of nine segments in the following order. First, I will

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swear everyone in that's going to speak tonight, that staff,

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that's public. Then we'll go out and we'll check noticing.

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Make sure we have the noticing proper. We may have

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an issue about that, I think. Then staff will introduce

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exhibits. I think we have 18. Let's serve more. Then

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we'll go out to the staff for their presentation. Following

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that, we'll give the information a chance to ask questions.

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For the staff or council, then we'll go out to

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you for your presentation, the applicant. After that, we will

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go out and see if there's public comment. And if

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so, we'll take a quick comment until someone wants to

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talk. Ultimately, we'll close public comment, and we'll come back

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to our group and the evidentiary portion of the meeting

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to discuss how we want to proceed. So that's the

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nine steps. That we're going to follow. Before I convene

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the hearing, we need to complete the swearing end process.

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So. Anyone that's going to speak, do you raise your

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right hand. Do you swear or affirm underpitative law. That

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the statement or evidence that you are about to give

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before the commission shall be the truth, the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth. And if so, please say,

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I do. I do. Well, I proceed. This is a

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sketch plan. In addition to the other rezoning issue. We

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are tasked with reviewing the sketch plan to determine if

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the plan complies with the applicable standards. And John will

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probably fall ascend further. And is in general performance with

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the comp plan. We will not be taking any formal

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action on the sketch plan. We'll just be giving comments

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or feedback that might help you as you move forward.

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And, uh. Of course, we're not the final authority on

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anything like this anyway. So on the, um, rezoning issue.

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That will have to go on to the board accountant

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commissioners. Regardless of how we proceed. So. With that, I

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believe we're ready to discuss notice. How do we do

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unnotici? Have fun. Issue. But I would like to enter

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one more exhibit. Prior to that. So that would be

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exit or exhibit, sorry. Exhibit 18 have in front of

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you, the waiver of public notice provided by that applicant.

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To the property owner that had a typo in the

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notice that was sent to him, but he did receive

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it. So. Our cove does not. Have a waiver provision.

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Of notice, but there is the. Constructive notice provision. If

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you feel like they've met the constru. Provision, you. Can

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move forward. And just early. Is where they're negotiating. So

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how does the commission feel about this? You think this

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is constructed notice. That is signed. Dated. Mr. Chairman, I've

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got some comments. That place gives you. Okay. Yes, of

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course. It's probably overkill, but I just want to make

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a record here so that you guys feel comfortable making

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this finding if that's what you want. But, um, we

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accidentally transposed a number with 6874 versus 6875 Highway 82.

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The Maryland went out and we didn't get the return

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and sell 28 days before the hearing. And so, um,

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we didn't do that. First, the code requires that we

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show proof notification or attempted notification, which is what we

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did in good faith. Second, the code treats this as

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a minor defect and not a jurisdictional bar. That's 4101

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E5. It says minor defects and notice shall not impair

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the notice or invalidate proceedings. Third, we published in the

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newspaper and posted. And so the public at large has

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noticed. And fourth and most importantly, uh, the landowner had

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actual knowledge of our application. Well before 30 days before.

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The owner of the land that we were manning this

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is an entity called MMMEWGLLC owned by Mark Ruled Sr.

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Mark. And these two have been working together for months,

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um, for water supply out there. So he knew completely

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what was going on out there. Um, Mark signed the

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waiver that you have in front of you. And so

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nobody was prejudiced. So we would ask that this commission

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make a formal finding that there has been substantial compliance

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with the notice requirements. And Mark's on line too. Kelly,

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any additional comments. Just your decision whether constructive notice has

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been. Good to go. Yeah. All right. With that then

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we shall proceed. I believe all of our, if I

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calculated correctly. Yes. We have seven voting members present. So

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we, um, will not need to decide who the alternate

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might be. And with that. I think we've read it

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open meeting and you can begin at your leisure. So

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just a point of order on exhibit 16, you have

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that in front of you. The city of the Glenwood

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Springs originally received the application as part of the IgA

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that we have with them before technical completeness. And then

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it was recent out to them at the time after

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technical completeness for another referral process for 21 days. I

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did not see in any referral comments from the city

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when I received this file after Phillip left and reached

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out to the city. They indicated that they would get

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on it and return comments at least by five o'clock

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last night. So the comments you have in front of

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you are the comments from the city of Glenwood Springs.

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And that's exhibit 16. To review. Exhibit 16. We tended

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out tonight. And I assume you've seen exhibit 16 as

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well. With that, I will go ahead and enter into

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the record exhibits one through 18. We let's the highest

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number, right? You ready.

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This is public hearing for the Mitchell Creek community PUD

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rezoning and major subdivision sketch plan review. Auditors flipped.

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Hey, really the base monitors are on. There?

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No.

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Field. But. It's a pretty picture. You haven't seen them.

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There's been a couple of them going right at the

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city. Really? I had much wandering around.

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Didn't. Get your hair up. First guy, I'm trying to

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figure out what I'm doing for a second, God. I

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think I got all the randoms to do. Key training,

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doghouse. Good. Nothing yet. Yes, and he said we had

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almost two tenths on two. Just spin around. Yeah. Maybe

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so. Well, that's a big screen too. I'll just thought

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it would be simpler.

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Nothing yet. My third cut is coming. Looks like. I'm

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going to be in the third ten. I was wondering.

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That's okay. Yeah.

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Did you. Get twice.

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So as it's noted, four, the PUD zoning and a

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subdivision sketch plan. The owner, I'm not even going to

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try to pronounce his name again because I always butcher

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it. The applicants are Neil's cotter and andrew settle. Applicants

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representative is LAN studio inc. The practical description of the

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property is it's the existing RV park north of highway

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six and 24 in west of the city of Glenwood

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Springs. It's a total of 24. 98 acres. It's currently

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zoned rural. And it's proposed to be residential PUD zoning.

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The comprehensive plan calls calls it out as the Glenwood

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Springs area of influence urban growth area, low density residential

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designation. The existing RV park has been there since 1973.

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The Atkins proposing 95 to 100 residential units proposed with

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two units currently existing on the site on the east

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side. Units will range in size from thousand to 2,

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600 square feet with an average of 1500 square feet.

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Water is provided by the city of Glenwood Springs via

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a new waterline that was recently installed. And wastewater services

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are from the Glenwood Spring sanitation dit district. The two

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existing access points do have access permits previously to this

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application and new access permits have been issued. This is

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the layout of the PUD. The two access points are

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down on the lower right - hand side where the

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detention pond. If you look further up to the west,

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the top left - hand corner, two hammerhead turnouts are

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up there for fire apparatus turnarounds. We did send this

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out for referral comments. c. Obviously said that the C.

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access permits have been issued and we'll cover that in

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more detail later. Colorado geological survey stated that the recommendations

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submitted should be implemented into project approvals as applicable role.

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These included the maintenance of the conveyance channels debris flow

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features. As they're implemented and built per the recommendations of

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the geological mud flow study. CPW recommended a raptor nest

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survey be conducted within a half mile of the project.

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Prior to the commencement of construction. And if any nests

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are found that CPW. Guidelines or buffer zones being implemented,

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bear wear practices should also be implemented. Mountain cross engineering

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had a broad range of comments ranging from the mud

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flow study. Specifically that the lots affected by debris flow

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should be removed from the plan. Wildfire recommendations would be

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placed in the CC and ours for the PUD and

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the landscape plan should be compliant with the wildfire plan.

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The Garfield County Sheriff's Office recommended that C. Dot reduce

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the speed limit from 40 miles per hour to 30

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miles per hour in between the two access points of

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the project. Vegetation management asked for more detail. On the

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vegetation management plan and weed treatment plan. And the city

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of Glenwood Springs commented on in the comprehensive plan and

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also a stormwater management permit or discharge permit be issued.

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We also received comments from public health, Colorado Department of

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Public Health in the environment and also the Glenwood Springs

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fire department. The adjacent land uses or the existing RV

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park. The stealth storage facility that's currently under construction to

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the west with a residence that's proposed on the site

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and also to the East residential and commercial uses. The

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application included a geotechnical study and ecological impact report, weed

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management plan and wildfire hazard assessment. A rezoning justification report

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was provided with the application provided by JVAM. Staff did

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find that the rezoning criteria has been met as the

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proposed application will result in the logically and orderly development

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pattern which meets the demonstrated community need through the redevelopment

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of the property. The traffic study that was included in

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the report indicated that the increase in traffic flow is

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below what 6 and 24 was built for, but that

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the increase in traffic did trigger new access permits and

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they have been issued. This is directly from the zone

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regulations proposed for the PUD. Single family dwelling units minimum

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lot area per unit 2000 square feet. Maximum building height

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35 feet. Lot coverage 75 feet and setbacks on three

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sides of five feet. The attached dwelling unit minimum lot

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area is 1, 500 square feet and all the other

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parameters are the same as the residential dwelling units. It

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should be noted that these are not ADUs but these

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are more townhone concept type structures. By way of comparison

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in the rural zone district. The minimum lot area is

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two acres. With a maximum coverage of. The street would

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be 25 feet. Rear would be 25 and the side

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would be 10. The maximum height in the rule zone

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district is 25 feet. Garfield County comprehensive plan designates the

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property be residential medium high with a density of one

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dwelling unit per two to six acres. The comprehensive plan

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for the county also states that since this property is

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within the Glenwood Springs, urban growth area and area of

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influence that we defer to the Glenwood Springs comprehensive plan.

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Excuse me. The comments received from Glenwood Springs touched on

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this. The comprehensive plan for Glenwood states that it's low

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density residential. From the comprehensive plan itself appropriate density is

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determined by existing land uses, topography, infrastructure capacity and road

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networks. Additionally, the low density residential designation functions as a

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placeholder within the urban growth area until specific development proposal

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demonstrates alignment with comprehensive plan goals. Infrastructure capacity and community

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objectives. As stated before, the waters provided by the city

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of Glenwood Springs. Wastewalt water is through the West Glenwood

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water and sanitation district. The property owners will own and

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maintain the distribution system within the property itself. But the

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city will own the firehead hydrants and they will be

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located within easements. Electric and gas supply are to be

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extended to the development. The applicant will need to supply

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will serve letters for those utilities. Rhodes will be 24

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feet in width with a three foot rock... Yeah. Walkway

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on one side of the road. There will be separated

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essentially by a painted line. Hammerheads. As I pointed out

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earlier provided for fire apparatus turnarounds. And the appskin has

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been working with the fire district on the dimensions of

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those turnarounds. Soft surface trails are also proposed throughout the

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development. A conceptual mud flow analysis was provided in the

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analysis indicated that some of the lots should be removed

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due to the mud flow. These lots are up on

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the northern northwestern section. Of the property.

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And those were noted by Chris Hale in his direct

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comments for mountain cross and engineering. The fire protection also

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were also stated that wildfire has a review is provided

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with the application and that the requirements of the Colorado

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wildfire resiliency code that was recently adopted be implemented throughout

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the proposal. Let's go back up to... There's proposed channels.

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For the three flow areas that were identified along with

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four capture basins. The capture basins are the northwest. The

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central the east. A fourth one in between the two

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access points along six and twenty four. Provided geotechnical study

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did provide design recommendations for foundations. And other types of

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slab structures and building parameters. And also we're recommended mud

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flow design recommendations. The plan did is... I'm

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sorry. Let me back up here. The plan is actuable

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to the inclusionary zoning for housing. So with 100 units

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they have to provide 10 units. The plan that they

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submitted for the affordable housing is compliant with the LUDC.

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Staff does have some concerns that the PUD guide indicates

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the residential units may be rented for any period of

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time. Nightly weekly monthly seasonally or long - term. Note

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that the county does not have any regulations on short

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- term rentals themselves. And that they are permitted in

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any zone district. But due to the close nature of

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these of the proposed site plan and the units themselves,

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we feel that it could be problematic for the sheriff's

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office or anyone else. That lives within the community. The

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appkins should also explore pedestrian connection along Highway 6 and

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24 to the Mitchell Creek area and city limits. And

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the PUD guide should also provide more information as to

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how to determine the structure height once it goes to

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building permit. I believe the adapts against going to touch

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on that later. So the staff recommendation is to move

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to recommend approval of Mitchell Creek Community Plan Unit Development

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to the Board Accounting Commissioners with findings one through six

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and conditions one through 13. These are the recommended findings

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one through six. Sketch. Alright.

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And then the recommended conditions here. Items to note are

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the will serve letters for the utilities. The applicant work

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to reduce the speed limit. Theed management plan. And to

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provide a detailed and thorough mud flow analysis epilemonary plan.

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If you would like to discuss the PUD zoning will

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stay there and then move on to the sketch plan

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afterwards if you would so wish. I would be my

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preference. What is the rest? What do they think? Instead

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of the BUD then. Mr. Chairman just a couple sort

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of highlights for you. Condition one requires the applicant comply

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with all the representations and really of significance as exhibit

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17. Exhibit 17 includes their responses to a number of

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different provisions uh... Referral comments. Um... And I'd just like

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to highlight a couple of those. Um... Comment three and

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four from the mountain cross engineering had to do with

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road standards applicant and represent there going to comply with

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those road standards. And so that road cross section that

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I think is included on the bottom of the PUD

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guide shows that 24 foot cross section. Three feet of

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that 24 feet is part of a sidewalk or a

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pedestrian access way. So there's an area that down the

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road for their representations. That's an area that probably would

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get some additional attention. Um... Article 7. We're already 7.

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There's 7. 0. It's table 7 - 107. So good

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news is applicant is indicating they're going to comply with

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those standards. And that's an entirely appropriate way for us

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to connect the dots between referral comment. John's recommended condition

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and the applicants representations. But exhibit 17 is pretty significant

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in terms of their representations. The other one to note

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there is comment number 10 from Chris Hale had to

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do with the geological mud flow hazards. And that condition

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indicates that certain lots that are subject to those hazards.

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Perhaps might need to be removed from the plan. It's

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worth acknowledging that the applicant is committing to more detailed

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study. Refining perhaps the layout and providing for mitigation. So

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once again exhibit 17 is important in that respect. So

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just wanted to identify those two areas that are specifically

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addressed and John's report and addressed in the applicant's response

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to Chris Hale. And last but not least is the

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short term rentals just wanted to echo John's observation. Short

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- term rentals in a fairly dense project which is

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coming in at four to five units in acre based

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on the overall density with small lot sizes can be

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problematic. And so we would encourage maybe the applicant can

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address that. In their presentation as well. Just a couple

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additional comments. Thank you Mr. Chairman. That's full report off

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the BUD had. In the sketch plan? It's relevant to

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both. Yeah. But as we're talking primarily PD issues those

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are appropriate kind of inclusions and reflect consistency with John's

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recommended conditions. At this time, other questions of staff. Council

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about what we heard so far. I just put it

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in the record. That just so it's there. There's no

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real neighbors close to this development because of the mountain

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and the development that gold's doing correct. So as part

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of the Royal Mini Storage Project there is an existing

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house on the far west side. And then the employee

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housing unit that's going to be centered on the project

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by the front gate. And there is one residence to

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the north. I guess. Yeah

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the only thing this isn't a rezoning. This is in

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a PUD approval. This is just a SketchUp. So this

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is at actually two parts. The first part that we

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just went over is the PUD rezoning itself for the

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Mitchell Creek community. So okay. And then this proving is

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zone. Yeah. Yeah. And then the second part is their

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request for a sketch plan. A sketch plan for major

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subdivision. Okay. Do you have comments? No they both go.

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Together. Oh wait till we see what subdivision is. I

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think we're ready to go out to the applicant for

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their presentation. Go ahead. I just wanted to comment really

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briefly my name. Matt with the LAN studio. And a

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lot of times you get PED applications that don't always

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include sketch plans. We decided at this stage to include

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a sketch plan so you could get some idea, have

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some idea about how this PUD overlays a land. What

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the density looks like. I just wanted to kind of

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make that clear that this is a tandem application as

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we just discussed. So we are seeking PUD approval. The

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sketch plan. We'd love to get as many comments from

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you about the sketch plan as possible. So that when

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we go forward with preliminary plan we have all of

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those comments that we can work with. So that was

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just a little bit of a preface. So I'm going

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to let these guys go ahead. Thank you.

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That's perfect. That's good. Oh, it's going to just like.

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That.

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So again, it's privilege to be here. We're really excited

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to present this project and appreciate all the help from

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staff and also the great team that's helped us guide

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us through this process. And the folks in the community

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that provided input. Our goal, and I'll start with that

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we're calling this a Mitchell Creek community because we're trying

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to achieve a community here. I'll start with the vision

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that we came up with, which is to create attainable

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single family home ownership opportunities in Garfield County. And this

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vision was sort of developed through feedback that we received

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from the community and local leaders. Um, which is what

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is really needed in Garfield County placed to accommodate families

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and those that work in the area. Um, as an

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example of this need, um, part of the latest regional

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housing needs assessment commissioned by Garfield County and other counties.

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In the nearest city to this project which is Glenwood

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Springs. Only 30 single family homes have been developed over

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the past 10 years. Uh, and there is no signal

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family home. Sorry. There's no single family home that is

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in the pipeline right now, uh, according to that report.

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In that time frame, uh, Garfield County has added 4,

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000 jobs. So it's, and home prices have doubled. And

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so our goal is to create efficient, healthy community with

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open space. And units that are primarily three and four

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bedroom that accommodate families. Uh, another stat that really struck

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me was at twenty five miles to go to work.

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So the idea is to be able to bring some

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of those people, uh, into the community that are working

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in the community. Um, we heard, you know, people talking

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about, well, my children can't live here or, you know,

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we, we want to downsize to a house a little

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bit smaller, more efficient. So really this was part of

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the goal. And so we're thrilled to be able to

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respond to that, uh, with an attainable ownership opportunity. To

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allow the community here to live and grow here. So

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this is a photo of the site today. It's 25

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acres. Um, and it's operated as a campground and RV

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park. This is a photo of the existing conditions on

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site. Uh, there's RVs. There's the roads are mostly dirt

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and gravel. The existing infrastructure, the site is served by

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two private wells with modern pumps, um, chlorination, uh, and

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the sewer is currently being served by Glenwood Springs sanitation.

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There's electrical through power lines. And probably the most important

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part is there's only one fire hydrant that was built

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in 1974 serving the entire 25 acre parcel. What we're

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proposing is, and one of the comments we heard from

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the community, one of the concerns was, you know, the,

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uh, the very important focus on fire protection. Um, so

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we've worked closely with a fire department, gone through several

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rounds of plans, uh, to make sure that the roads

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are compliant, that our hammerheads are turnouts. Everything is how

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they'd like to see it. We are providing six times

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a number of hydrants, uh, and they will all be

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hooked up to city water, a more reliable water source

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than these wells. And all structures are within 250 feet

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of the fire hydrant per, uh, fire department feedback. Uh,

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in addition, we will be improving the water system on

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site because the residents will have city water, the fire

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department will have city water serving those fire hydrants. And

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so they are no longer relying on the water system.

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Uh, that said, we're keeping one well on site to

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do the irrigation as it was recommended is environmentally friendly

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way to handle that versus potable water. Um, we're improving

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the sewer lines. We're replacing all the sewer lines and

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the new system will be connected to the, uh, West

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Glenwood sanitation district. And we are improving debris flow mitigation

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through these various basins and walls that we're building to

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protect I - 70 and highway six. So big picture,

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this is the proposed project. These are some representative images

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of some floor plans we really like and some various

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home types. We'll have 98 new four sale homes, approximately

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four units per acre. 10 of those will be deed

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restricted workforce housing. Ranging from 70 percent to 110 percent

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AI. The two existing single family homes on site will

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be retained. Um, and the average square footages is about

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1500 square feet with unit sizes ranging from currently 1152

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square feet to 2607 square feet across five different unit

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types. And again, these are mostly three and four bedrooms.

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With indoor garages, two car garages. Only a few of

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the units based on the power lines, uh, needed to

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be parked under a sort of patio type, uh, system.

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So the other thing that we wanted to focus on

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is there's a lot of beautiful open space here up

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the hill. You can see there up the mountain. We

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focused our entire development and all the improvements on what

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is already disturbed by the RV park. Um, so you'll

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see the roads or the road system is change. There's

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all the fire department. I hammerheads at the end and

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the turnarounds. In addition to the lower right of the

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plan you see there be passive green space for the,

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for the residents to enjoy picnics, play with their kids,

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uh, those type of things. Your screen space at the

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lower right where the grade is sort of flat. Regarding

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access and circulation, we've obtained a new CDOP permits, no

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new curb cuts, uh, approximately 3, 000 feet from the

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I - 70 access line break, the new line break

477
00:48:23,252 --> 00:48:28,671
onto I - 70. As far as traffic, uh, the

478
00:48:28,711 --> 00:48:32,591
daily volume, uh, per the Kimley horn traffic study would

479
00:48:32,631 --> 00:48:40,831
be about, uh, six, um, the roads will be 24

480
00:48:40,932 --> 00:48:46,191
feet private roads with, uh, three foot walkway. And basically,

481
00:48:46,191 --> 00:48:48,191
we talked to the fire department and they were okay

482
00:48:48,191 --> 00:48:52,031
with the way we did our curves and the side

483
00:48:52,212 --> 00:48:55,951
roads being, um, 20 feet plus this curb that is,

484
00:48:55,951 --> 00:48:57,951
I forget to turn for, but it's a curb they

485
00:48:57,991 --> 00:49:01,394
can roll over. And we'll have an approximate half mile

486
00:49:01,495 --> 00:49:04,594
walking loop around the new homes. One thing I wanted

487
00:49:04,634 --> 00:49:06,514
to just mention is that it was mentioned these are

488
00:49:07,975 --> 00:49:10,914
townhomes, but these are actually single family. You don't share

489
00:49:10,935 --> 00:49:12,834
a wall with anybody. You have your own private space.

490
00:49:15,178 --> 00:49:18,197
So these are just the viewpoints of the existing conditions

491
00:49:18,618 --> 00:49:26,277
versus proposed. Existing on the left proposing the right. This

492
00:49:26,298 --> 00:49:33,156
is going down the highway eastbound. Existing versus proposed. And

493
00:49:33,196 --> 00:49:41,484
again, existing versus proposed. So that concludes our presentation. Uh,

494
00:49:41,484 --> 00:49:44,464
again, we're really excited and appreciate the feedback. And we're

495
00:49:44,504 --> 00:49:48,224
here for comments, questions and inspiration. Thank you so much.

496
00:49:48,725 --> 00:49:51,104
Can I make a comment? Sure. Yeah. I was going

497
00:49:51,104 --> 00:49:53,744
to comment too. So largely what this, we didn't divide

498
00:49:53,925 --> 00:49:56,784
out of presentation for sketch plan in a presentation for

499
00:49:56,965 --> 00:49:59,424
PUD. So a lot of what you saw were concepts

500
00:49:59,464 --> 00:50:02,864
that are probably more sketch plan related. But the PUD

501
00:50:02,904 --> 00:50:06,144
guide that we're actually seeking your recommendation for approval on

502
00:50:06,485 --> 00:50:09,744
really specified parameters by which a project like this can

503
00:50:09,784 --> 00:50:13,824
get developed. So the lot size, the building lot coverage,

504
00:50:13,824 --> 00:50:15,904
the setback, the height limits. So all of those things

505
00:50:16,005 --> 00:50:19,724
are in the PUD guide document. So that's, you know,

506
00:50:19,925 --> 00:50:21,744
the big piece that we're seeking approval. We didn't go

507
00:50:21,765 --> 00:50:24,464
through all those details in a presentation because we really

508
00:50:24,645 --> 00:50:27,664
wanted to illustrate the big picture of the project to

509
00:50:27,664 --> 00:50:30,624
you. Um, but if you have any questions about the

510
00:50:30,965 --> 00:50:33,984
PUV guide versus what you saw on the screen, we're

511
00:50:33,984 --> 00:50:36,464
happy to address any of those. What I would like

512
00:50:36,504 --> 00:50:39,904
to do with this is have us focus initially on

513
00:50:39,944 --> 00:50:43,984
the PUD application. And then we'll come back and we'll

514
00:50:44,024 --> 00:50:46,864
talk about the sketch plan. Does that make sense with

515
00:50:46,885 --> 00:50:54,075
everyone. John. Something both kind of overlap. Cause the PUD

516
00:50:54,096 --> 00:50:57,435
guy is part of the rezone. And that's some of

517
00:50:57,435 --> 00:51:01,109
my questions. Is how that's going to. Work, I guess,

518
00:51:01,149 --> 00:51:04,229
when they come back. So part items they can address.

519
00:51:04,229 --> 00:51:06,369
But yeah, that's fine. Together, I don't really object, but

520
00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:08,469
just try to make it as part of the rezone.

521
00:51:11,169 --> 00:51:14,508
Okay. Well, seems like that's what everyone prefers. Is that

522
00:51:14,508 --> 00:51:19,867
right? I'm okay either way. All right. John. You have

523
00:51:19,907 --> 00:51:22,807
the four if you wish you. So quick question. Are

524
00:51:22,807 --> 00:51:24,907
these going to be just be simple ownership? You're creating

525
00:51:24,907 --> 00:51:27,787
these lots. That's right. So they're all for sale units.

526
00:51:27,787 --> 00:51:31,707
Yes. Okay. So no land leases. Oh no blets or

527
00:51:31,707 --> 00:51:35,067
anything. The owner of the home alone, the land underneath.

528
00:51:35,067 --> 00:51:43,787
So all fee simple. And then the deed management deed

529
00:51:43,787 --> 00:51:47,947
restriction stuff. Okay. Very good. Um, and I see you've

530
00:51:47,987 --> 00:51:51,147
addressed the two Wall Street parking for the ADUs as

531
00:51:51,147 --> 00:51:53,067
well as a single family unit. That's a big deal.

532
00:51:55,949 --> 00:51:57,928
Um, one thing when coming, I would have is on

533
00:51:57,928 --> 00:52:00,248
the landscape. Um, I would like to see more zero

534
00:52:00,248 --> 00:52:04,488
escaping, especially with the drought situation we've been in keeping

535
00:52:04,589 --> 00:52:08,808
my end. Obviously the increased fire risk over there. Um,

536
00:52:08,848 --> 00:52:11,048
I know you kind of touched on the geotech and

537
00:52:11,048 --> 00:52:13,208
the debris flow analysis, um, just want to make sure

538
00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:16,088
you guys have aware of how, I guess, big of

539
00:52:16,088 --> 00:52:19,368
an issue. That debris flow analysis can be as far

540
00:52:19,368 --> 00:52:23,208
as an impact on your feature development. Absolutely. I mean,

541
00:52:23,248 --> 00:52:26,808
I know they show these little retention basins and stuff,

542
00:52:26,808 --> 00:52:28,968
but the reality is, is those rarely work. They're usually

543
00:52:28,968 --> 00:52:32,248
much larger and can affect your. So obviously make, make

544
00:52:32,248 --> 00:52:35,288
sure you pay attention to that. The geotech, I didn't

545
00:52:35,288 --> 00:52:36,728
get time to look at the jitta for, but obviously

546
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:40,168
it's an alluvial fan. We've got the, you know, hydrocompactive

547
00:52:40,208 --> 00:52:43,448
soils in the area. Um, you type a foundation systems

548
00:52:43,789 --> 00:52:46,368
as far as kind of protecting the public. It'll be

549
00:52:46,368 --> 00:52:48,728
a big thing to pay attention to. And the big

550
00:52:48,768 --> 00:52:51,608
question is, is annexation. Um, I know it's in the

551
00:52:51,648 --> 00:52:55,143
area of influence in the urban growth. What were the

552
00:52:55,183 --> 00:52:58,903
talks with the city of Glenwood about potential annexation and,

553
00:52:58,903 --> 00:53:02,503
you know, and heaven utility agreements for sewer and water.

554
00:53:02,503 --> 00:53:04,023
His prayer. They let somebody tie on to sewer and

555
00:53:04,023 --> 00:53:10,031
water without wanting to annex. I mean, the city was

556
00:53:10,071 --> 00:53:13,631
very willing to work with the team regarding provisions for

557
00:53:13,812 --> 00:53:17,451
water to the property. I mean, they recognize that, um,

558
00:53:17,451 --> 00:53:22,511
the property next door, um, storage, um, has a waterline

559
00:53:22,612 --> 00:53:25,711
that's currently being routed to it. So the size of

560
00:53:25,732 --> 00:53:28,911
that water line was accommodated with the city to look

561
00:53:28,932 --> 00:53:33,231
at the accommodating these 100 units. And also all of

562
00:53:33,231 --> 00:53:37,391
the fire protection for both the sword facility and for

563
00:53:37,431 --> 00:53:41,231
this, um, redeveloped in these anchor site. So the city

564
00:53:41,271 --> 00:53:44,671
was very open. The city, these guys want to tell

565
00:53:44,711 --> 00:53:49,151
the council meeting and the city approved. So they're basically

566
00:53:49,172 --> 00:53:52,191
wanting to do an agreement to tie on without annex.

567
00:53:52,212 --> 00:53:56,011
Quite honestly. That's pretty rare. That's good. About annexation, you

568
00:53:56,011 --> 00:53:57,951
know, I mean, you know the situation in the city

569
00:53:57,991 --> 00:54:01,831
floodwood springs at any annexation requires a referendum. So, I

570
00:54:01,831 --> 00:54:03,871
mean, they were willing to work with us in Garfield

571
00:54:03,892 --> 00:54:05,631
County. That's good. I think it's great. I love the

572
00:54:05,671 --> 00:54:07,951
idea of content. Thanks. It's a huge improvement for the

573
00:54:08,132 --> 00:54:12,831
location. Very quick summary of a lot of work. Yeah.

574
00:54:12,852 --> 00:54:14,471
There you guys addressed it. Just wasn't in here. So

575
00:54:14,471 --> 00:54:18,015
I want to just do what it was. Okay. I

576
00:54:18,015 --> 00:54:22,292
think that's really it for me. Thank you. Ensure all

577
00:54:22,332 --> 00:54:26,212
of them. The offstreet parking, the Affordable Housing debris flows,

578
00:54:26,212 --> 00:54:29,623
definitely number one. Couple of the guys on this board

579
00:54:29,644 --> 00:54:33,543
know that very well that those, those events happen and

580
00:54:33,583 --> 00:54:35,783
they have to be mitigated at the beginning and not

581
00:54:35,783 --> 00:54:37,543
at the end. Because now we're dealing with the issues

582
00:54:37,644 --> 00:54:43,717
at the end. Yeah. A number of streets I almost

583
00:54:43,757 --> 00:54:46,597
thought that you could, you know, we're seeing those models

584
00:54:46,698 --> 00:54:49,096
more and more. Um, and this is the time where

585
00:54:49,117 --> 00:54:53,656
you could eliminate the street. You said, so you're fine

586
00:54:53,656 --> 00:55:02,882
with, uh, article seven street. Standards versus, versus your street

587
00:55:02,882 --> 00:55:07,682
standards, correct? Well, what, let me read what we wrote

588
00:55:08,183 --> 00:55:10,562
in the response. Because what we wrote was the comment

589
00:55:10,583 --> 00:55:15,602
was from Chris Hale, the applicant shall address the roadway

590
00:55:15,623 --> 00:55:18,962
standards in table seven - 107 of the LUDC at

591
00:55:18,962 --> 00:55:22,322
the Emperor Limary Plan. We committed the applicant agrees to

592
00:55:22,362 --> 00:55:25,442
address compliance with the applicable roadway standards and table seven

593
00:55:25,482 --> 00:55:28,162
- 107 of the LUDC as part of the preliminary

594
00:55:28,263 --> 00:55:30,602
finance. So we'll address them saying that we're going to

595
00:55:30,823 --> 00:55:33,742
comply with all of them. This is sketch plan. You

596
00:55:33,742 --> 00:55:35,522
know, we know standards are. We know they're there. We've

597
00:55:35,522 --> 00:55:38,962
been working with those standards. And we'll address them at

598
00:55:39,002 --> 00:55:41,762
preliminary plan. We haven't addressed them all right here at

599
00:55:41,802 --> 00:55:45,762
sketch plan, but that there is a commitment to address.

600
00:55:45,762 --> 00:55:47,522
Apply with all of them comes up to our engineering

601
00:55:47,543 --> 00:55:50,482
details as we move into preliminary plan for another day.

602
00:55:51,631 --> 00:55:53,930
Um, and then on landscape, I had that question too,

603
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:56,661
but I was only seeing one tree per lot. And

604
00:55:56,661 --> 00:55:58,661
I was honestly going, why even put one tree in,

605
00:55:58,661 --> 00:56:01,221
especially with the new woofy codes. You probably can't even

606
00:56:01,261 --> 00:56:04,971
put them there. Yeah. I mean, uh, the resiliency code

607
00:56:05,472 --> 00:56:09,131
that's now adopted by Garfield County and the city. I

608
00:56:09,131 --> 00:56:11,291
mean, we'll take a look. I mean, if there is

609
00:56:11,291 --> 00:56:12,971
a tree, it's got to be 30 feet away and

610
00:56:12,971 --> 00:56:14,691
the crown can't, you know, the crowns have to be

611
00:56:14,691 --> 00:56:18,811
separated. So, I mean, the requirements for that. So we'll

612
00:56:18,832 --> 00:56:20,571
take a look. I think part of our issue was

613
00:56:20,571 --> 00:56:23,691
to have some landscape that helped it at least seem

614
00:56:23,731 --> 00:56:26,091
like it fit into the natural environment. Maybe along the

615
00:56:26,131 --> 00:56:29,131
road or something. Um, but we'll. I think that those

616
00:56:29,131 --> 00:56:31,771
are good. Those are good comments. We'll work with those

617
00:56:31,872 --> 00:56:34,011
as we move ahead. And that's where I was running

618
00:56:34,112 --> 00:56:37,819
the PUD guide's pretty slim on this. And that's where

619
00:56:37,859 --> 00:56:40,779
I was running. And I guess I'm used to seeing

620
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,619
a 200 page PUD guide. And the beauty guy quite

621
00:56:45,619 --> 00:56:48,019
honestly is modeled after the coat. We didn't put a

622
00:56:48,019 --> 00:56:50,979
lot of stuff in. I like his short zone. I

623
00:56:50,979 --> 00:56:53,779
mean, we could have written our own definitions that we

624
00:56:53,779 --> 00:56:57,939
have one zone district creatively called R1 residential one. So,

625
00:56:57,939 --> 00:57:01,059
um, you know, it's, it's a one district, one zone

626
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,139
district PV. It clearly states what elements are allowed within

627
00:57:05,179 --> 00:57:09,219
that zone district. I mean, besides the uses, um, I

628
00:57:09,219 --> 00:57:12,659
mean, we're also allowing landscape and irrigation improvements related to

629
00:57:12,699 --> 00:57:15,779
your landscape questions. So it doesn't dwell on what those

630
00:57:15,819 --> 00:57:19,619
are, but it does say that they're allowed in the

631
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,299
R1 zone district. So, um, you know, if the does

632
00:57:25,299 --> 00:57:28,099
or doesn't belong there, um, you can let us know.

633
00:57:28,099 --> 00:57:31,059
But it's trying to utilize the terms that are in

634
00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:33,699
your code. It was very lean. Yeah. Keep it simple.

635
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,499
Yeah. That's true. It's easy to follow then. And then

636
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,882
every unit will have a garage. Every unit will have

637
00:57:40,882 --> 00:57:44,322
a garage except for a few units out front at

638
00:57:44,322 --> 00:57:48,322
the first row. And they'll have stored off street covered

639
00:57:48,362 --> 00:57:52,802
parking, but it won't be closed. Yeah. And usually, no,

640
00:57:52,842 --> 00:57:55,122
no one uses their garage to park it anymore. It's

641
00:57:55,143 --> 00:57:58,402
for the kayaks and everything else and just making sure

642
00:57:58,442 --> 00:58:01,122
that with this density that they have a voice for

643
00:58:01,143 --> 00:58:03,922
storage is a critical aspect. And kind of, if you

644
00:58:03,962 --> 00:58:06,962
will go back to the shot that shows the units,

645
00:58:06,962 --> 00:58:08,562
I mean, part of the reason for the garages and

646
00:58:08,562 --> 00:58:11,762
the 35 foot height limit is that on the units

647
00:58:11,863 --> 00:58:13,842
that tuck into the hillside, we really need a garage

648
00:58:14,263 --> 00:58:17,922
to boost the elevation of the living spaces up because

649
00:58:17,922 --> 00:58:20,002
that 10 feet at the garage is going to be

650
00:58:20,002 --> 00:58:22,882
tucked into the hillside. So the remaining two stories about

651
00:58:22,922 --> 00:58:26,122
that will both have daylight on each side. So, I

652
00:58:26,122 --> 00:58:30,162
mean, the great change. And so that, uh, the image

653
00:58:30,202 --> 00:58:32,002
that's on the far left there, I think is just

654
00:58:32,002 --> 00:58:34,802
kind of an illustration of kind of what we're anticipating

655
00:58:35,303 --> 00:58:37,042
when you're on the opposite side of the street and

656
00:58:37,042 --> 00:58:40,322
you're going downhill, which is kind of the circumstance that

657
00:58:40,362 --> 00:58:43,762
we just talked about on the other side. Um, you

658
00:58:43,762 --> 00:58:46,302
know, having a garage is a little more difficult. But

659
00:58:46,343 --> 00:58:49,922
the uphill units all have garages. Is the current owner

660
00:58:49,962 --> 00:58:53,042
going to build all the units then? That's the place.

661
00:58:53,082 --> 00:58:56,562
So you're doing it. It looks like a modular style.

662
00:58:57,543 --> 00:59:00,642
Not the amateurs. No, not the, not the current owner,

663
00:59:00,642 --> 00:59:03,602
but then developer is going to build all the units.

664
00:59:03,602 --> 00:59:05,602
So we're going to sell lots of individually. That's great.

665
00:59:05,783 --> 00:59:10,382
Okay. Good. That's better. Um, and you, are you, uh,

666
00:59:10,583 --> 00:59:14,642
as far as trail connection walkability and interconnection with the

667
00:59:14,682 --> 00:59:17,682
city, do you have a plan for that? No, this

668
00:59:17,682 --> 00:59:20,962
is the staff recommended that is separated by two properties

669
00:59:21,703 --> 00:59:25,102
that are controlled by various partnerships and some of the

670
00:59:25,223 --> 00:59:29,002
current owners partnerships are there, but they're different folks. So

671
00:59:29,002 --> 00:59:33,522
there's actually a big gap between that in the city,

672
00:59:33,522 --> 00:59:36,482
uh, trails. That said, we're going to do is have

673
00:59:36,743 --> 00:59:39,842
a walkable trail around this. If you walk their dogs

674
00:59:40,743 --> 00:59:43,362
to walk around the site and then in that one

675
00:59:43,362 --> 00:59:47,682
corner of the site, where it flattens out right there,

676
00:59:47,943 --> 00:59:53,122
kind of below the, like when you, maybe southeast side

677
00:59:54,023 --> 00:59:56,802
right there, you see the grade is much less than

678
00:59:56,842 --> 00:59:58,322
the other. Like this is where we plan on having

679
00:59:58,983 --> 01:00:01,762
just passive area to throw football or, you know, have

680
01:00:01,802 --> 01:00:05,320
a picnic. In that area. Plus it's far enough away

681
01:00:05,741 --> 01:00:09,560
that the people playing or doing things like that, uh,

682
01:00:10,141 --> 01:00:14,144
it's still the residents or had their quiet, enjoy. It.

683
01:00:14,165 --> 01:00:20,114
Thank you. Wes. Comments? Question like a broken record again,

684
01:00:20,114 --> 01:00:24,194
but on the, on the debris flow, 93 when we

685
01:00:24,194 --> 01:00:27,634
had the fire and the reflow after that, this, that

686
01:00:27,634 --> 01:00:29,714
entire parts of that area, a lot of that was

687
01:00:30,055 --> 01:00:37,590
under significant amounts of mud. It'll happen again. Guaranteed. So

688
01:00:37,691 --> 01:00:41,748
I would really take that into account. We're dealing with

689
01:00:41,788 --> 01:00:44,068
that down by silt. We see it happen about every

690
01:00:44,169 --> 01:00:46,948
20 years. This one was, I mean, the one that

691
01:00:46,948 --> 01:00:49,748
was there was caused by mostly from the fire and

692
01:00:49,769 --> 01:00:53,588
nothing to hold it back. But it'll happen again at

693
01:00:53,588 --> 01:00:56,228
some point. So I don't want to see us push

694
01:00:56,228 --> 01:00:59,028
this down the road 40 years and have another fire.

695
01:00:59,028 --> 01:01:01,428
And the next thing we're seeing houses go by debris

696
01:01:01,529 --> 01:01:06,343
flow. We'll definitely focus on that. And frankly, we have

697
01:01:06,524 --> 01:01:09,783
focused when we've spent months looking at this with engineers

698
01:01:10,524 --> 01:01:12,343
and, you know, words that I don't understand. But at

699
01:01:12,343 --> 01:01:17,943
the same time, we totally understand the importance. And we're

700
01:01:17,943 --> 01:01:20,263
working with a neighbor to try to even work together

701
01:01:20,303 --> 01:01:22,983
on that and make it a more robust system. Yeah,

702
01:01:23,164 --> 01:01:25,223
it's tough. It's not an easy thing. It's not something

703
01:01:25,263 --> 01:01:27,783
you do now and forget about it. It's something that

704
01:01:27,804 --> 01:01:30,983
has to be maintained. And kept ready for the next

705
01:01:31,084 --> 01:01:34,503
one. Absolutely. So if you're, uh, like you said, you're

706
01:01:34,543 --> 01:01:36,423
surrounded by private land. How are you going to keep

707
01:01:36,423 --> 01:01:41,063
with your pathway people from just creating bandit trails and

708
01:01:41,084 --> 01:01:45,937
accessing your neighbors. Sorry. Can you repeat the question? How

709
01:01:45,937 --> 01:01:47,537
are you going to keep people basically on your land

710
01:01:47,718 --> 01:01:54,104
and not creating pathways under your neighbor's properties. Well, we,

711
01:01:54,104 --> 01:01:56,644
you know, we hope that one that doesn't happen. But

712
01:01:56,644 --> 01:01:59,384
two, we will have an HOA with CCNRs and all

713
01:01:59,384 --> 01:02:02,024
kinds of regulations, you know, that way it would provide

714
01:02:02,445 --> 01:02:09,220
some protection for the. CBC penalties and some consequences doing

715
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:14,175
that. I do think defining trails on the site that

716
01:02:14,276 --> 01:02:16,735
are the ones that are meant to be used that

717
01:02:16,836 --> 01:02:21,695
doesn't keep people from creating bandit trails clearly. But we'll

718
01:02:21,956 --> 01:02:24,095
have to have some policies in place with the HOA

719
01:02:24,276 --> 01:02:27,375
to monitor if people are trespassing off - site and

720
01:02:27,876 --> 01:02:33,906
what the consequences will be. Steve questions. No, I see

721
01:02:33,946 --> 01:02:39,746
you. The appearance of the project looks remarkably similar to

722
01:02:40,487 --> 01:02:44,653
what they did there at that cerrow. Where you kind

723
01:02:44,653 --> 01:02:48,163
of gotten vertical. In order to, you know, achieve as

724
01:02:48,163 --> 01:02:51,603
much density as you can without spreading out too much.

725
01:02:51,603 --> 01:02:54,483
And quite frankly, it seems like it's a lesser expensive

726
01:02:54,584 --> 01:02:58,483
way to not only build, but buy, you know, as

727
01:02:58,523 --> 01:03:02,003
far as affordability for people. So we're always looking for

728
01:03:02,003 --> 01:03:08,075
that. Thank you. I think it's a great project for

729
01:03:08,656 --> 01:03:12,715
that spot. Everybody we need a horrible housing, you know,

730
01:03:12,896 --> 01:03:19,580
any replace is called parts and modular parts. And again,

731
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:23,588
the mud flows a lot. Seeing if I come down

732
01:03:23,689 --> 01:03:25,988
slotted, goal is my lifetime. My last one was 25

733
01:03:26,009 --> 01:03:31,538
years ago. The raptors, the CPW. Are you guys within

734
01:03:31,538 --> 01:03:36,251
a half mile. Of? Currently we're not, but we absolutely

735
01:03:36,512 --> 01:03:40,716
will comply that condition. Well, I'm not sure if the

736
01:03:40,737 --> 01:03:45,168
interstate and a train there. That builds been doing over

737
01:03:45,208 --> 01:03:50,642
there. It's really. The player pound to flesh. Uh, no,

738
01:03:50,642 --> 01:03:53,362
I think it's a great project. And the weeeds. That's

739
01:03:53,362 --> 01:03:56,402
the biggest thing, you know, especially with mud flows and

740
01:03:56,402 --> 01:04:01,255
stuff. Getting natural. And worked down our CS or conservation

741
01:04:01,295 --> 01:04:05,255
districts here in a district there and getting some great

742
01:04:05,255 --> 01:04:08,896
ideas what to do. But I like it. Thank you.

743
01:04:09,237 --> 01:04:13,623
Thanks so much. So what are your thoughts on the

744
01:04:13,804 --> 01:04:19,492
speed limit and the whole renting situation. As far as

745
01:04:19,513 --> 01:04:21,972
the speed limit, that would be good from 40 to

746
01:04:22,073 --> 01:04:25,172
30. Yeah, I think it's nothing you guys control. Yeah,

747
01:04:25,172 --> 01:04:28,852
I think that we would absolutely be happy to use

748
01:04:28,873 --> 01:04:31,412
our best efforts to try to get that done. It's

749
01:04:31,412 --> 01:04:32,772
not up to us at the end of the day,

750
01:04:32,772 --> 01:04:35,372
but I think that would be much further. So, I

751
01:04:35,372 --> 01:04:36,612
mean, you're going to have to slow down at some

752
01:04:36,612 --> 01:04:41,172
point. Exactly. That's true. Actually, they're almost a forced in

753
01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:44,452
there. And as far as the rentals, um, it's an

754
01:04:44,452 --> 01:04:48,052
interesting question. One, these are going to be for sale

755
01:04:48,073 --> 01:04:53,297
ownership opportunities. And we will have an HOA in place.

756
01:04:53,297 --> 01:04:55,297
And at the end of the day, someone buying and

757
01:04:55,337 --> 01:04:59,277
buying in that community, that will want to know, but

758
01:04:59,277 --> 01:05:01,617
we'll have the same concerns that it doesn't become a

759
01:05:01,638 --> 01:05:04,097
party place or, you know, Airbnb haven. And I think

760
01:05:04,097 --> 01:05:07,777
that we absolutely don't want it to become that. It's

761
01:05:07,777 --> 01:05:09,537
not meant to be a second home community at all.

762
01:05:09,969 --> 01:05:13,646
The whole concept here is to create. A true community

763
01:05:14,307 --> 01:05:18,987
at that location. We had said, I think the one

764
01:05:18,987 --> 01:05:22,587
thing that we take in consideration, as long as the

765
01:05:22,627 --> 01:05:24,587
rule, you know, the CCNRs are in place to make

766
01:05:24,587 --> 01:05:30,187
sure that that is controlled, you know, we see it,

767
01:05:30,187 --> 01:05:32,667
you know, there's a home, you know, the wonderful home,

768
01:05:32,667 --> 01:05:35,467
like a small house that we're Airbnb being right now.

769
01:05:35,467 --> 01:05:37,547
And the cloud of town and they need the income.

770
01:05:37,547 --> 01:05:39,387
So they do that. So we would, we wouldn't want

771
01:05:39,387 --> 01:05:42,187
to take that necessarily away from them. We will have

772
01:05:42,288 --> 01:05:46,487
rules in place so that it stays within control. Uh,

773
01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:49,527
and that's, I think that's, I think we're, you know,

774
01:05:49,568 --> 01:05:54,987
we're aligned with the end, the community to make sure

775
01:05:55,088 --> 01:05:57,947
that they're protected there. Because otherwise it makes it less

776
01:05:58,048 --> 01:06:02,705
desirable. This is good. We need lots of spaces. I

777
01:06:02,726 --> 01:06:05,585
get a little worried that it could become that Airbnb

778
01:06:05,585 --> 01:06:10,974
behavior. It's close to Lynnwood. So if the rules in

779
01:06:10,974 --> 01:06:13,614
place when it starts, that just helps. Not that I

780
01:06:13,614 --> 01:06:16,094
want to take anybody's rides away. But if the HOA

781
01:06:16,134 --> 01:06:18,334
is managing that, that means one Mustang, we've got to

782
01:06:18,334 --> 01:06:21,454
put in paper. Yeah. And I could commit right now

783
01:06:21,494 --> 01:06:25,374
that we will make sure that the CCNRs have rules

784
01:06:25,555 --> 01:06:29,054
and regulations that make the community comfortable because last seen

785
01:06:29,555 --> 01:06:30,734
we want to do is buy a house and have

786
01:06:30,774 --> 01:06:33,414
your extra neighbor, you know, using as a. I think

787
01:06:33,414 --> 01:06:37,374
the one challenge you've got, I'm not super familiar with

788
01:06:37,414 --> 01:06:40,094
the area, but it's, I suspect it will become a

789
01:06:40,094 --> 01:06:44,254
bit of a walkable community. And the certain percentage that

790
01:06:44,294 --> 01:06:46,334
are going to be walking to the mall and the

791
01:06:46,334 --> 01:06:49,614
assets that are near there, just nature of low income

792
01:06:49,654 --> 01:06:53,374
housing, not everybody had a car, those sorts of things.

793
01:06:53,988 --> 01:06:58,665
I shouldn't say low income, but. Single family, more starter

794
01:06:58,705 --> 01:07:00,985
home type styles. So just trying to figure out if

795
01:07:01,006 --> 01:07:03,145
the ways that we can make sure it's a good,

796
01:07:03,145 --> 01:07:06,825
safe walk along six and 24. Again, not something you

797
01:07:07,086 --> 01:07:11,065
guys typically control, but if there's any opportunities there, I'm

798
01:07:11,105 --> 01:07:13,865
sure that'd be well received to the community. Yeah. We're

799
01:07:13,905 --> 01:07:18,165
happy to look into it. We. Have a couple of

800
01:07:18,165 --> 01:07:22,525
things, one, the bus stop is almost three quarters of

801
01:07:22,565 --> 01:07:27,934
a mile away. And I think that the type of

802
01:07:28,515 --> 01:07:31,694
folks that will hopefully be buying there is the nurses,

803
01:07:31,694 --> 01:07:34,974
the people working to hospital, first responders, things like that.

804
01:07:34,974 --> 01:07:36,574
I think a lot of those folks do have a

805
01:07:36,595 --> 01:07:39,934
car. And at the end of the day, that walk,

806
01:07:39,934 --> 01:07:42,174
because of the way the hillside and the on one

807
01:07:42,174 --> 01:07:46,254
side comes down. I mean, there's maybe two foot gap

808
01:07:46,595 --> 01:07:49,934
with a cliff right there. So it, and the other

809
01:07:49,974 --> 01:07:52,894
side is owned by, well, they both are owned by

810
01:07:52,995 --> 01:07:56,574
C dot. So it's, it's almost infeasible to be able

811
01:07:56,574 --> 01:07:59,614
to create any sort of, uh, situation there. But that

812
01:07:59,614 --> 01:08:01,334
said, you know, one of the things we want to

813
01:08:01,334 --> 01:08:05,934
promote is, you know, providing electric bikes, for example, or

814
01:08:05,974 --> 01:08:08,254
things like that, or bicycles for the community that could

815
01:08:08,355 --> 01:08:13,854
be shared, um, I think that in the winter, a

816
01:08:13,854 --> 01:08:14,974
lot of people don't like to get on those bikes

817
01:08:15,235 --> 01:08:17,914
or even walk. But, uh, at the same time, the

818
01:08:17,914 --> 01:08:20,974
whole idea here is to create a healthy community that,

819
01:08:20,974 --> 01:08:23,354
you know, that people can walk around the site, um,

820
01:08:23,955 --> 01:08:26,574
they can have places to gather and, you know, have

821
01:08:26,595 --> 01:08:29,374
easy access to all the beautiful things in the city.

822
01:08:31,242 --> 01:08:33,461
I think it's a good opportunity. That's just the friction

823
01:08:33,501 --> 01:08:36,101
point that I see is that there's, I get more

824
01:08:36,141 --> 01:08:38,741
worried about it with kids if we get like middle

825
01:08:38,741 --> 01:08:41,861
schoolers, high schoolers that are going, Hey, the bus drop

826
01:08:41,861 --> 01:08:44,021
me off and I want to go to the mall

827
01:08:44,202 --> 01:08:49,652
or do something like that. S the natural friction point.

828
01:08:49,652 --> 01:08:55,231
Yeah. Understood. Thank you. Temple, do you have comments or

829
01:08:55,252 --> 01:08:58,566
questions? Yeah. Please proceed.

830
01:09:05,052 --> 01:09:13,589
Go ahead. If you have questions. You need to unmute.

831
01:09:20,957 --> 01:09:25,964
She has her hand up. We can't hear you. Does

832
01:09:25,964 --> 01:09:28,924
it work now? Sorry. That way again. Okay. There you

833
01:09:28,964 --> 01:09:31,804
go. I have to hit three different spots. Um, I

834
01:09:31,844 --> 01:09:35,964
agree with everything that said, um, the debris flows especially

835
01:09:36,225 --> 01:09:38,924
in the mud. We know what that's like. The biggest

836
01:09:39,025 --> 01:09:43,621
issue in this area is fire. So I agree with

837
01:09:43,722 --> 01:09:48,741
the zero landscaping and as little, um, trees and things

838
01:09:48,741 --> 01:09:51,621
like that as possible. But my biggest issue is three

839
01:09:51,661 --> 01:09:55,701
foot sidewalks. Um, especially if you're talking like electric bikes

840
01:09:55,701 --> 01:09:58,981
or anything like that, um, three foot sidewalks are very,

841
01:09:59,002 --> 01:10:02,686
very small. It's hard to even pass. So if two

842
01:10:02,686 --> 01:10:05,886
people are walking side by side, it's in someone's going

843
01:10:05,926 --> 01:10:08,846
the other direction someone is stepping off. So I would

844
01:10:08,886 --> 01:10:13,166
like to encourage some kind of thought process of perhaps

845
01:10:13,667 --> 01:10:19,289
wider sidewalks. Also sidewalks along, um, I know you said

846
01:10:19,289 --> 01:10:23,769
that the connects from over by four down to this

847
01:10:23,809 --> 01:10:28,569
area, the missing pieces in the sidewalk system, et cetera.

848
01:10:28,569 --> 01:10:31,449
But that's not really a reason to not do it

849
01:10:31,449 --> 01:10:33,769
here. Because then if there's ever a time that those

850
01:10:33,790 --> 01:10:38,649
other places do come to, you know, a development time

851
01:10:40,190 --> 01:10:43,209
or discussions. And then if there is some in place

852
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:46,329
and there is, there is a possibility of getting that

853
01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:49,209
connection because there will be people that want to walk.

854
01:10:49,209 --> 01:10:51,129
There will be people that will want to go to

855
01:10:51,230 --> 01:10:53,129
town, that will want to need to get to the

856
01:10:53,230 --> 01:10:56,709
bus and that might be their only option. So, um,

857
01:10:58,190 --> 01:11:00,809
to start the fad, as I call it and make

858
01:11:00,809 --> 01:11:04,009
sure that it's in place so that they could, that

859
01:11:04,009 --> 01:11:07,209
would, I would encourage that. And, um, that's about it.

860
01:11:08,028 --> 01:11:10,487
Three foot side walks really need to be rethought though

861
01:11:10,668 --> 01:11:15,099
in my, in my mind. Thank you. My comment is

862
01:11:15,139 --> 01:11:19,918
about parking. I assume you will not allow street on

863
01:11:19,939 --> 01:11:24,747
street parking. That's correct. We also have guest parking stalls.

864
01:11:24,747 --> 01:11:27,707
Yeah. I saw that throughout the site and each unit

865
01:11:27,808 --> 01:11:32,531
has two parking spaces. But what I, what I heard,

866
01:11:32,531 --> 01:11:34,531
Eric say, and I think he's right is that the

867
01:11:34,792 --> 01:11:37,811
garage, if it's a one car garage, especially is not

868
01:11:37,811 --> 01:11:42,053
going to be available to park a car in. So

869
01:11:42,074 --> 01:11:44,171
if they have two vehicles. I don't know what they're

870
01:11:44,171 --> 01:11:48,522
going to do. So your absolute correct. So we would,

871
01:11:48,522 --> 01:11:52,230
we can absolutely write that into the CCNRs. Of no

872
01:11:52,251 --> 01:11:57,012
on street parking. Um. In the community. Unless they're designated

873
01:11:57,273 --> 01:12:01,862
parking spots. Okay. The other question I'll have is just

874
01:12:01,862 --> 01:12:05,302
about the construction. Is it stick built or is it

875
01:12:05,342 --> 01:12:10,022
partially marginal or how will that be? So very good

876
01:12:10,062 --> 01:12:13,702
question. Are we right now have we looked at units

877
01:12:14,043 --> 01:12:16,502
because we want to create fish at floor plans with

878
01:12:16,843 --> 01:12:21,175
most amount of bedrooms and things like that. Um, currently

879
01:12:22,396 --> 01:12:26,375
it's, you know, we have shown examples. It all depends

880
01:12:26,396 --> 01:12:29,735
where the market is as far as costs of lumber

881
01:12:29,756 --> 01:12:31,895
and things like that. Uh, we were just meeting with

882
01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:36,709
this morning specializes in both. And it just depends on

883
01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:40,545
the time of the market. We think there's incredible modular

884
01:12:40,585 --> 01:12:48,785
opportunities and incredible stick build opportunities. But some are not

885
01:12:48,785 --> 01:12:51,345
willing to come down here. So we're using that as

886
01:12:51,366 --> 01:12:56,803
a flexibility. There's also system called analyze system. In fact,

887
01:12:56,843 --> 01:12:59,283
one of the units that we showed you was a

888
01:12:59,624 --> 01:13:06,483
penalized example. It's really beautiful unit. Um, so right on

889
01:13:06,483 --> 01:13:09,843
the concept in today's market could very well be modular

890
01:13:10,024 --> 01:13:14,493
at the same time we're leaving that flexibility. In case

891
01:13:15,714 --> 01:13:18,893
the other type makes sense. By the time you actually

892
01:13:18,933 --> 01:13:22,399
start building. So I appreciate that and understand that. I

893
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:26,319
don't have any other comments. I do appreciate your input.

894
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:29,465
Seems like it's good plan. I've wondered for a long

895
01:13:29,465 --> 01:13:32,025
time why that was the way it was. And I'm

896
01:13:32,025 --> 01:13:34,825
glad it's changing. Thanks for so much, I did. So.

897
01:13:35,485 --> 01:13:37,864
Thank you. Any other final comments from any of us

898
01:13:37,885 --> 01:13:43,909
up here? And with that, uh, we'll go out and

899
01:13:43,949 --> 01:13:46,069
see if we have public comment. Is there anyone in

900
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:54,221
public that would like to comment. To this chair? We

901
01:13:54,221 --> 01:14:00,414
have, we do have a hand on Zoom. Or you

902
01:14:00,414 --> 01:14:02,814
start. May I just kind of set some ground rules.

903
01:14:02,814 --> 01:14:06,820
Okay. Uh, we welcome public comment for sure. And were

904
01:14:06,820 --> 01:14:09,614
you sworn in earlier? No, I don't know. Okay. All

905
01:14:09,614 --> 01:14:13,002
right. We'll go back. We'll start with that. That's first

906
01:14:13,023 --> 01:14:16,214
thing. I want to get it right. So raise your

907
01:14:16,214 --> 01:14:20,934
right hand please. Yes, that's right. Do you swear or

908
01:14:21,035 --> 01:14:23,494
former independently of law that the statement or evidence that

909
01:14:23,534 --> 01:14:25,734
you are about to give before this commission shall be

910
01:14:25,774 --> 01:14:29,213
the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

911
01:14:29,213 --> 01:14:31,853
If so, please indicate so by saying, I do. I

912
01:14:31,853 --> 01:14:35,130
do. All right. Now. The next thing I want to

913
01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:37,370
talk about is just not that we have a big

914
01:14:37,391 --> 01:14:39,170
crowd here tonight, but we still have to kind of

915
01:14:39,231 --> 01:14:42,490
go through the procedures. So normally we have people sign

916
01:14:42,511 --> 01:14:44,852
up, but we didn't have big crowds. We're going to

917
01:14:44,852 --> 01:14:49,395
do that. When you come here, the first thing we

918
01:14:49,435 --> 01:14:53,395
need you to do is identify yourself and if we've

919
01:14:53,435 --> 01:14:57,395
joined us by zoom, then we'll have to signal so

920
01:14:57,416 --> 01:15:02,045
we can. Know that you're waiting. And then we'll allow

921
01:15:02,045 --> 01:15:06,617
you three minutes to make your comments. And do we

922
01:15:06,638 --> 01:15:13,741
have the time? Oh, yep. So then, um, I don't

923
01:15:13,741 --> 01:15:15,901
think we're going to have to go the next thing,

924
01:15:15,901 --> 01:15:18,301
but the next thing says that you can't donate your

925
01:15:18,322 --> 01:15:21,941
time. Everyone can up to three to one person. So

926
01:15:21,941 --> 01:15:25,101
then you have 15 minutes total. And then all the

927
01:15:25,442 --> 01:15:27,421
comments need to come to the commission, not to the

928
01:15:27,442 --> 01:15:32,586
applicant, not the applicant's front and back. And. We'll try

929
01:15:32,586 --> 01:15:35,846
and capture your comments if you have questions. We'll try

930
01:15:35,846 --> 01:15:38,486
and answer them. So that's the rules that wrote. And

931
01:15:38,486 --> 01:15:41,786
you have the four. Okay. Well, my name is Jackie

932
01:15:41,807 --> 01:15:47,512
Parker and I live at 2315 Bennett Court. I was

933
01:15:48,493 --> 01:15:53,272
born in Aspen and have obviously slowly moved down valley.

934
01:15:54,068 --> 01:15:58,207
And I have to say without the Affordable housing that

935
01:15:58,247 --> 01:16:02,527
I've had two affordable housing units in the valley and

936
01:16:02,527 --> 01:16:07,487
then one free market. And I, I was looking at,

937
01:16:07,487 --> 01:16:10,527
after I got divorced, I was looking at trying to

938
01:16:10,708 --> 01:16:16,047
qualify for Aspen housing. I qualified for all the counties.

939
01:16:16,047 --> 01:16:18,287
And I was lucky to get, um, the one I

940
01:16:18,287 --> 01:16:21,887
got in Glumwood 11 years ago. Otherwise I would have

941
01:16:21,927 --> 01:16:23,647
been out of here. And I wouldn't have been able

942
01:16:23,647 --> 01:16:27,167
to raise my kids here. I wouldn't able to just

943
01:16:27,268 --> 01:16:29,807
my dad and my brother and my mom at the

944
01:16:29,807 --> 01:16:32,527
time, but my mom since passed are still in the

945
01:16:32,527 --> 01:16:37,067
valley. My dad lives in affordable housing in Aspen. And

946
01:16:37,188 --> 01:16:40,767
I'm very grateful that, you know, at first I didn't

947
01:16:40,767 --> 01:16:43,967
want my kids to be Glenn Demons. I'm hoping they'd

948
01:16:43,967 --> 01:16:47,167
be asking skiers. Because that's where I went to high

949
01:16:47,207 --> 01:16:51,487
school. But I'm really lucky that I have what I

950
01:16:51,487 --> 01:16:56,127
have. And this to me sounds like a beautiful improvement

951
01:16:56,228 --> 01:16:59,647
to the, to the project, to this valley. And anything

952
01:16:59,988 --> 01:17:04,207
not to have to go to, uh, into South Canyon

953
01:17:04,868 --> 01:17:07,327
and keep cars off the road. I mean, I've never

954
01:17:07,327 --> 01:17:11,595
seen so many accidents in my life. And growing up

955
01:17:11,595 --> 01:17:16,395
here until I moved to Glenwood. And, um, I just

956
01:17:16,435 --> 01:17:20,795
think it's a great project. Good, it's a huge improvement,

957
01:17:20,795 --> 01:17:26,075
beautification families. It's going to be great. And I heard,

958
01:17:26,075 --> 01:17:28,475
I think that the, the housing is going to be

959
01:17:28,496 --> 01:17:30,875
belt really well. It's not going to be where you

960
01:17:30,875 --> 01:17:35,277
can hear somebody else. Um, in my neighborhood, there's not

961
01:17:35,317 --> 01:17:42,377
enough parking. And parking really creates hatred among neighbors. And

962
01:17:42,377 --> 01:17:45,237
we also just got the eight foot sidewalks. I think

963
01:17:45,237 --> 01:17:48,397
that's a little too much because so many people just

964
01:17:48,498 --> 01:17:52,077
lost all the parking and now they're crowding our neighborhood.

965
01:17:52,077 --> 01:17:55,192
It's a real stress and it's a fight. And a

966
01:17:55,192 --> 01:17:57,192
lot of times you see people not even using the

967
01:17:57,232 --> 01:17:59,672
side blocks, which is really frustrating when you live in

968
01:17:59,672 --> 01:18:02,064
the neighborhood and they're walking down the street. And you

969
01:18:02,064 --> 01:18:07,757
have an eight foot sidewalk. But so I think bigger

970
01:18:07,778 --> 01:18:10,397
than three, but not necessarily have to be an eight

971
01:18:10,418 --> 01:18:13,677
foot sidewalk. You know, that's too much. And it's, it's

972
01:18:13,717 --> 01:18:17,357
created parking problems in my neighborhood. The other thing about

973
01:18:17,538 --> 01:18:20,477
like in my neighborhood, in our HOA, we're not allowed

974
01:18:20,517 --> 01:18:26,773
to do Airbnb. We are allowed. Renting six months and

975
01:18:26,773 --> 01:18:30,863
longer. Like you can't do anything less than six months.

976
01:18:31,634 --> 01:18:35,293
And we do have the flight for life nurses in

977
01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:38,555
a house. And we do have other neighbors that do

978
01:18:38,576 --> 01:18:42,395
rent long term to the hospital. People has like two

979
01:18:42,416 --> 01:18:45,583
blocks away. So I would just say that I think

980
01:18:45,604 --> 01:18:50,446
this is really great. And, um, I'm glad that it

981
01:18:50,446 --> 01:18:56,212
seems like everybody likes this. Perfect timing. Thank you for

982
01:18:56,233 --> 01:19:00,327
your comments. We appreciate the input. Anyone else in the

983
01:19:00,327 --> 01:19:04,435
audience here that would like to speak tonight. Is there

984
01:19:04,475 --> 01:19:07,475
anyone online that we can tell that has our hand

985
01:19:07,736 --> 01:19:16,156
up. Hello. All right. Is everyone able to hear me.

986
01:19:16,647 --> 01:19:18,466
Yes, I can hear you fine. We can hear you

987
01:19:18,487 --> 01:19:22,007
fine. Great. Thank you. Good evening commissioner staff and members

988
01:19:22,047 --> 01:19:25,047
of the public. My name is Nina Sawaya. I reside

989
01:19:25,087 --> 01:19:29,607
at 4109 East 10th Avenue Denver, Colorado. I'm going to

990
01:19:29,828 --> 01:19:32,287
turn in with the law firm of Brownstein Hyatt Farber

991
01:19:32,388 --> 01:19:36,527
Shrek and I'm Landu's council representing 1541 Mitchell Creek LLC

992
01:19:37,348 --> 01:19:41,367
and Storm King Hunting Ranchelocy. My client owns a 19

993
01:19:41,428 --> 01:19:44,047
acre parcel directly to the north of the project site

994
01:19:44,388 --> 01:19:47,327
as well as a Storm King hunting ranch parcel located

995
01:19:47,508 --> 01:19:51,887
northwest of the project site, which consists of approximately 126

996
01:19:51,988 --> 01:19:55,306
acres. In addition to these two parcels, my client owns

997
01:19:55,346 --> 01:19:57,866
hundreds of acres up to the north bordering the BLM

998
01:19:57,887 --> 01:20:00,986
land. I'm here to learn more about that application and

999
01:20:01,026 --> 01:20:03,466
better understand if there are any potential impacts of the

1000
01:20:03,487 --> 01:20:08,826
project, particularly concerning the proposed infrastructure improvements as it relates

1001
01:20:08,866 --> 01:20:11,546
to my client's property, as well as the allocation of

1002
01:20:11,567 --> 01:20:15,706
water and other water - related issues like water rights,

1003
01:20:15,746 --> 01:20:20,872
water infrastructure and other utility usage. 1541 mitral creek has

1004
01:20:21,373 --> 01:20:24,792
already contacted the applicant and requested a meeting to further

1005
01:20:24,813 --> 01:20:28,072
discuss the project in any potential concerns. But for tonight,

1006
01:20:28,072 --> 01:20:29,992
I'm just here to listen and learn. Thank you so

1007
01:20:29,992 --> 01:20:32,312
much for the opportunity to speak and I look forward

1008
01:20:32,352 --> 01:20:35,832
to learning more. Very. Good. Thank you. Thank you for

1009
01:20:35,853 --> 01:20:38,472
your comments. Is there anyone else online that would like

1010
01:20:38,512 --> 01:20:48,273
to speak. Make public comment tonight? Going once. Very good

1011
01:20:48,294 --> 01:20:55,580
at this time. I'm going to close public comment. Do

1012
01:20:55,580 --> 01:20:57,580
you have any feedback that you would like to offer

1013
01:20:57,921 --> 01:21:03,981
on the public comments. Don't miss your name. Yeah. Um,

1014
01:21:04,262 --> 01:21:06,481
I would just say that we're happy to speak to

1015
01:21:06,521 --> 01:21:09,841
the neighbor that folks we actually, they reach out to

1016
01:21:09,841 --> 01:21:13,940
us. And we've got to think that they email yesterday.

1017
01:21:13,940 --> 01:21:16,960
We're happy to, I'll give them a call tomorrow. Um,

1018
01:21:17,321 --> 01:21:22,020
and we appreciate the moments from the other public comment,

1019
01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:27,428
uh. I appreciate the support. That's very nice. Okay. And

1020
01:21:27,428 --> 01:21:30,228
then the last call for any sketch comments before we

1021
01:21:30,569 --> 01:21:37,109
address the PUD issues. All right. With that then I

1022
01:21:37,109 --> 01:21:41,698
will move into the evidentiary portion of the meeting. And.

1023
01:21:43,168 --> 01:21:45,547
Looking for a motion if the one to be. Chair,

1024
01:21:45,547 --> 01:21:47,627
I'd like to make a motion. I'd like to move

1025
01:21:47,728 --> 01:21:51,547
to recommend approval of the Mitchell Creek community plan union

1026
01:21:51,547 --> 01:21:58,027
development located at 50235 highway six integro springs, Colorado to

1027
01:21:58,067 --> 01:22:00,507
the board of county commissioners with findings one through six

1028
01:22:01,248 --> 01:22:07,531
and conditions one through 13. Very good. Is there. Is

1029
01:22:07,571 --> 01:22:12,491
there a second to the motion. Well, seven. Move moved

1030
01:22:12,512 --> 01:22:15,242
in a second. Uh, and it is Russian on the

1031
01:22:15,282 --> 01:22:24,894
motion. You recall boat, please. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1032
01:22:25,235 --> 01:22:32,427
John Kirsten? Yes. Keith Lamby? Yes. Yes. Very good. Motion

1033
01:22:32,528 --> 01:22:39,611
car. Is that. Glenn, do you have comments?

1034
01:22:42,867 --> 01:22:47,166
Perhaps for the John, the observation of comments on sketch

1035
01:22:47,427 --> 01:22:51,748
land. Because in a lot of really excellent. And I

1036
01:22:51,748 --> 01:22:54,228
don't know if you, as a commissioner want to highlight

1037
01:22:54,249 --> 01:22:56,788
any further, but in terms of the PVD, that was

1038
01:22:57,289 --> 01:23:00,228
that motion passed and it was clear. Um, and the

1039
01:23:00,268 --> 01:23:02,388
record of this meeting is going to be available to

1040
01:23:02,428 --> 01:23:06,822
the applicant. Um, to review and assess any comments were

1041
01:23:06,822 --> 01:23:10,302
made. You guys were really thorough. So, um, staff, I

1042
01:23:10,302 --> 01:23:20,271
think we're comfortable. Yep. Any

1043
01:23:20,311 --> 01:23:24,111
comments that you have about what's coming up there? Of

1044
01:23:24,151 --> 01:23:27,711
the business. Yeah. Other business. Okay. If it serves in

1045
01:23:27,711 --> 01:23:33,945
pause briefly and applicant kind of shift years. Thank you.

1046
01:23:34,046 --> 01:23:34,345
Thank you.

1047
01:23:53,431 --> 01:23:56,918
I can't play this mother. Thank. You.

1048
01:24:07,312 --> 01:24:11,922
You have my front door. Thanks. No, we'll stain that

1049
01:24:11,962 --> 01:24:20,492
wall. I'm sure that somebody will try. It on there.

1050
01:24:20,673 --> 01:24:22,652
Was there any space between the sidewalk or is it

1051
01:24:22,652 --> 01:24:27,562
sidewalk all the way to it. Space there? Take a

1052
01:24:27,602 --> 01:24:35,479
bubble edge. Got a little bunch of

1053
01:24:36,220 --> 01:24:42,119
wall. Yeah, it's kind of a weird setup, isn't it?

1054
01:24:46,736 --> 01:24:50,115
Anything in a second. Wait, first part of September? I

1055
01:24:50,115 --> 01:24:59,897
still have the rest of my. Plan. I remember

1056
01:25:00,078 --> 01:25:09,167
real expensive. Unbeliever. Prices have to be aware of city.

1057
01:25:13,463 --> 01:25:19,594
Oh yeah. Some, sometimes we just have a generic kind

1058
01:25:19,594 --> 01:25:22,394
of list of what's coming. But today we wanted to

1059
01:25:22,394 --> 01:25:24,854
take a couple minutes. We'll tag team a little bit

1060
01:25:24,854 --> 01:25:32,296
between the three of us. On some, some statutory. We

1061
01:25:32,477 --> 01:25:34,776
just dealt with a couple of them. We love them

1062
01:25:34,877 --> 01:25:40,711
on the affordable housing fast track. That you guys saw.

1063
01:25:40,711 --> 01:25:42,151
And we checked that one off and got that one

1064
01:25:42,191 --> 01:25:48,391
done. And so the couple more coming. So, um, perhaps

1065
01:25:48,572 --> 01:25:51,251
defer to john. I'll tag him a little bit, but

1066
01:25:51,251 --> 01:25:52,311
how this is going to kind of talk a little

1067
01:25:52,311 --> 01:25:57,431
bit about, um, the, um, both element requirement that the

1068
01:25:57,471 --> 01:26:00,791
state has, um, required on these counties that are of

1069
01:26:00,831 --> 01:26:04,031
a certain size to implement in their comp plants. If

1070
01:26:04,031 --> 01:26:05,671
you want to talk about a little bit about that,

1071
01:26:05,671 --> 01:26:09,252
maybe review that definition, which is great. So I think

1072
01:26:09,252 --> 01:26:13,352
they've talked about the SB 24 174. Bill a couple

1073
01:26:13,352 --> 01:26:15,512
of years ago that was passed. So we did the

1074
01:26:15,613 --> 01:26:18,312
housing needs assessment. So in turn we have to do

1075
01:26:18,312 --> 01:26:21,352
a housing action plan after that for all the municipalities

1076
01:26:21,533 --> 01:26:25,032
that participate in the roof from one was approved the

1077
01:26:25,032 --> 01:26:28,395
summer. And then a part of that was a comp

1078
01:26:28,416 --> 01:26:31,035
plan section that had to be added a strategic growth

1079
01:26:31,075 --> 01:26:35,209
section and a water supply element section. And in the

1080
01:26:35,249 --> 01:26:40,169
strategic growing from Dola, it says a fiscally environmentally sustainable

1081
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:44,809
approach to land use planning, housing, community wellbeing infrastructure that

1082
01:26:45,150 --> 01:26:48,649
can promote promotes the development or redevelopment of bacon or

1083
01:26:48,990 --> 01:26:52,969
underutilized and fill parcels, mitigates the need for extensions of

1084
01:26:53,150 --> 01:27:00,001
infrastructure and public services into natural and agricultural lands. So

1085
01:27:00,182 --> 01:27:02,321
if that sounds like a planner out that and if

1086
01:27:02,361 --> 01:27:06,081
it sounds like compliment, you obviously correct. So, but it's,

1087
01:27:06,121 --> 01:27:09,441
it's a, it's a requirement. So mine is we're going

1088
01:27:09,441 --> 01:27:11,761
to be coming back to you guys with some comp

1089
01:27:11,761 --> 01:27:17,298
plan updates. Um, and so that's, that's the takeaway. There's

1090
01:27:17,298 --> 01:27:18,978
a couple of different you might want to highlight a

1091
01:27:18,978 --> 01:27:21,858
couple of different elements there. So the three key components,

1092
01:27:21,858 --> 01:27:24,738
they talk about is the policy and tools. We can

1093
01:27:24,778 --> 01:27:28,398
and underutilized sites and the undeveloped green field sites. And

1094
01:27:28,398 --> 01:27:30,498
a lot of it is pertains to more cities and

1095
01:27:30,519 --> 01:27:34,194
town and fill design. Um, I sat through the first

1096
01:27:35,575 --> 01:27:37,474
work session that they had. They had like five of

1097
01:27:37,474 --> 01:27:41,314
them doing that this fall. So they started last week.

1098
01:27:43,241 --> 01:27:45,860
And what it sounded like the ones that were already

1099
01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:48,980
participating father along. We had like town of lions was

1100
01:27:48,980 --> 01:27:53,060
talking about just doing overlay of gross strategy layer on

1101
01:27:53,060 --> 01:27:56,216
the GIS. Which is a possible thing that we could

1102
01:27:56,237 --> 01:28:01,066
use. So an overlay is a good strategy to try

1103
01:28:01,487 --> 01:28:05,626
and an efficient way manage this because, um, maybe bouncing

1104
01:28:05,666 --> 01:28:08,706
around, John, this is due end of this year. Right?

1105
01:28:08,727 --> 01:28:12,946
Correct, yes. And the, uh, a lot of the comparisons,

1106
01:28:12,946 --> 01:28:14,786
because I sat in on a working group on this

1107
01:28:14,887 --> 01:28:18,386
several months ago, a lot of comparisons especially to the

1108
01:28:18,487 --> 01:28:23,545
vacant underutilized sites in Greenfield. I don't know how long

1109
01:28:23,566 --> 01:28:26,665
ago you were involved with planning or anything, but way

1110
01:28:26,705 --> 01:28:28,265
back in the day when I worked for the city

1111
01:28:28,305 --> 01:28:31,785
of Lakewood, there was a citizen's growth initiative. And that

1112
01:28:31,825 --> 01:28:35,465
required municipalities and counties to take an inventory of all

1113
01:28:35,465 --> 01:28:40,185
the vacant sites within their jurisdictions. And basically take them

1114
01:28:40,185 --> 01:28:43,305
out acreage, see how that they could be developed. This

1115
01:28:43,326 --> 01:28:46,745
is very similar to that. Luckily at that time that

1116
01:28:46,846 --> 01:28:52,572
citizen's growth initiative died. But this is similar to it,

1117
01:28:52,572 --> 01:28:55,068
but it should be pretty easy to do. I hear

1118
01:28:55,169 --> 01:29:04,191
the word intel to me. Sounds disliked. Exactly. Like all

1119
01:29:04,231 --> 01:29:12,012
the public wants to. Oh yeah. So, so, um, we're

1120
01:29:12,012 --> 01:29:14,652
going to, you know, look into schedule, you know, probably

1121
01:29:14,652 --> 01:29:18,092
start off with some work session kind of agenda items.

1122
01:29:18,092 --> 01:29:20,572
Um, to kind of get this out there and, and

1123
01:29:20,593 --> 01:29:24,332
manage it in a fashion that, um, complies with the

1124
01:29:24,513 --> 01:29:26,972
state sort of, they've got a rubric. They've got, they've

1125
01:29:26,972 --> 01:29:30,812
got guidelines and some expectations. So it's not unlike what

1126
01:29:30,812 --> 01:29:33,212
we just dealt with with the fast track for foreclosing.

1127
01:29:33,212 --> 01:29:36,092
We get ahead of it. We get an efficient way

1128
01:29:36,132 --> 01:29:40,572
of managing it not over and get something in place.

1129
01:29:40,572 --> 01:29:43,852
Um, a lot of it really comes back to just,

1130
01:29:43,852 --> 01:29:45,772
I think, you know, how the ear research is. They're

1131
01:29:45,772 --> 01:29:49,047
looking to see that we're working on it. Even though

1132
01:29:49,308 --> 01:29:52,807
happens if you don't. So when I was sitting in

1133
01:29:52,847 --> 01:29:56,247
the work session last, uh, Wednesday, they talked about that

1134
01:29:56,287 --> 01:29:59,607
some people have started as long as we go into

1135
01:29:59,708 --> 01:30:03,987
their portal start of our own thing, um, again, and

1136
01:30:03,987 --> 01:30:07,207
show that we're actively pursuing this. And even though we're

1137
01:30:07,207 --> 01:30:08,487
not going to finish it by the end of the

1138
01:30:08,487 --> 01:30:11,687
year, they said that we're good. But to be compliant

1139
01:30:11,708 --> 01:30:13,447
is a long is when we adopt it with the

1140
01:30:13,628 --> 01:30:19,985
planning commission. So and to your question, John, the way

1141
01:30:20,086 --> 01:30:23,985
it ties in is with future grants with Dola. Because

1142
01:30:24,006 --> 01:30:26,545
they'll go in and make sure that all these aspects

1143
01:30:26,886 --> 01:30:28,865
are within the comprehensive plan. And we do have a

1144
01:30:28,865 --> 01:30:32,365
lot of these aspects already in the comprehensive plan. But

1145
01:30:32,406 --> 01:30:35,505
what the states look detail. It's just for Dola general

1146
01:30:35,545 --> 01:30:39,991
or for one, two, three. It doesn't apply to one,

1147
01:30:39,991 --> 01:30:43,911
two, three. This is just general grants, I believe. Yeah.

1148
01:30:43,932 --> 01:30:48,171
Really. So we're going to, we're going to get ahead

1149
01:30:48,211 --> 01:30:52,091
of it. Um, and with your assistance, we'll get, we'll

1150
01:30:52,131 --> 01:30:54,251
get something over after. Well, can you just go to

1151
01:30:54,251 --> 01:30:55,851
the realtors and tell them give me a list of

1152
01:30:55,851 --> 01:30:58,411
all the vacant parts. I already have them. There's a

1153
01:30:58,411 --> 01:31:02,171
lot of, they do out there. And our GS department

1154
01:31:02,992 --> 01:31:06,411
is a great resource as well. Andrea Reckles. So we've

1155
01:31:06,451 --> 01:31:09,851
got some tools. But you'll see that on upcoming agendas.

1156
01:31:11,307 --> 01:31:15,140
And so. Other stuff I know housing action plan is

1157
01:31:15,161 --> 01:31:17,428
a couple of years off. But how does that work

1158
01:31:17,849 --> 01:31:19,588
even if you identify the vacant parcels? You can't force

1159
01:31:19,609 --> 01:31:22,948
somebody to develop or sell their parcel. I mean, what

1160
01:31:22,948 --> 01:31:24,628
a waste of money. What a completely pointless thing to

1161
01:31:24,628 --> 01:31:31,558
do. You know, it's going to make sense for cities.

1162
01:31:31,558 --> 01:31:33,718
But I mean, the county, it's all vacant. I mean,

1163
01:31:33,718 --> 01:31:37,158
yeah. Especially county birth, huh? Yeah. Sounds like a great

1164
01:31:37,339 --> 01:31:43,523
Denver project. So city of Glowood project. Yeah. It works

1165
01:31:43,563 --> 01:31:46,323
fine in town. We'll figure out how to comply and

1166
01:31:46,363 --> 01:31:49,123
come up with a great looking map that says we

1167
01:31:49,123 --> 01:31:51,283
are happy. Well, just take a look at all the

1168
01:31:51,704 --> 01:31:54,083
anti - lots that you have in Battle of Mesa.

1169
01:31:54,123 --> 01:31:56,720
Oh, absolutely. It'll be a prime example right there. I'm

1170
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,309
sure that's going to come up. That's, that's probably a

1171
01:32:00,309 --> 01:32:03,909
great segue into our work session item. That's, that's the

1172
01:32:03,909 --> 01:32:06,309
example of you could see some stuff as far as

1173
01:32:06,349 --> 01:32:09,349
like the commercial center. Um, maybe some stuff by the

1174
01:32:09,389 --> 01:32:18,551
airport. Maybe some things, you know, approximate each municipality. There's

1175
01:32:18,551 --> 01:32:21,171
a few, the few out there. We're not, you know,

1176
01:32:21,772 --> 01:32:24,691
going to overthink this, but, um, we will, you know,

1177
01:32:24,732 --> 01:32:28,631
probably get, you know, at some point, I'm pretty cool,

1178
01:32:28,631 --> 01:32:30,951
you know, maybe refined some language that, as John indicates

1179
01:32:31,132 --> 01:32:34,551
already in the comp plan, um, in there about unincorporated

1180
01:32:34,591 --> 01:32:37,511
communities and that sort of thing. So, but yes, Balla

1181
01:32:37,551 --> 01:32:41,271
Mesa, good example one. In order to start doing the

1182
01:32:41,372 --> 01:32:47,591
infill on those, I mean, what's the grand supposed as

1183
01:32:47,591 --> 01:32:50,231
to how that would work. Yeah. So, so we're going

1184
01:32:50,231 --> 01:32:53,351
to, we're, we're, we're getting into it. Um, these guys

1185
01:32:53,391 --> 01:32:58,311
are doing some good research. And so, you know, looking,

1186
01:32:58,311 --> 01:33:01,911
looking ahead, um, now to shift gears a little bit,

1187
01:33:01,911 --> 01:33:04,791
anything else we need to add. No. Good. So, so,

1188
01:33:04,831 --> 01:33:06,791
so we're keeping track of all these state mandates that

1189
01:33:06,831 --> 01:33:08,551
are out there. And we're not overthinking them, but we're

1190
01:33:08,551 --> 01:33:11,591
going to comply. And with your help as a commission,

1191
01:33:11,631 --> 01:33:14,871
we'll get it. We'll get there. Um, so timing and

1192
01:33:14,871 --> 01:33:19,191
maybe some future agenda items. So in September, we have

1193
01:33:19,372 --> 01:33:22,071
excellent energy queued up for the second meeting in September

1194
01:33:25,452 --> 01:33:30,711
extent. It's a, you know, this is their, basalt to

1195
01:33:30,972 --> 01:33:34,631
Hopkins line extension, which is in the Missouri heads area.

1196
01:33:34,631 --> 01:33:37,011
So, but that's the only agenda item on that. And

1197
01:33:37,011 --> 01:33:40,951
we're looking at perhaps including initial work session on this

1198
01:33:40,972 --> 01:33:44,631
topic at that agenda. It seems like that's pretty. Second

1199
01:33:44,631 --> 01:33:47,191
meeting in September is now first meeting nothing on the

1200
01:33:47,231 --> 01:33:50,311
first meeting agenda. Um, at this point in time, unless

1201
01:33:50,311 --> 01:33:52,311
you guys, we don't want to just hitch up with

1202
01:33:52,412 --> 01:33:56,351
a meeting just to talk generically about, for example, a

1203
01:33:56,351 --> 01:33:57,831
lot. Cause I imagine a few of us that aren't

1204
01:33:57,871 --> 01:34:00,071
happy with Excel will let all of our neighbors and

1205
01:34:00,092 --> 01:34:03,911
friends know that the Excel executives will be in down.

1206
01:34:03,911 --> 01:34:08,631
Okay. So anyways. So that would be location extent, your

1207
01:34:08,631 --> 01:34:12,716
second meeting September. And then we would probably include that

1208
01:34:12,716 --> 01:34:14,556
give this a little bit of time to prep on

1209
01:34:14,657 --> 01:34:18,476
the strategic, um, give, you know, maybe a work session

1210
01:34:18,897 --> 01:34:24,649
discussion to follow up on this, this introduction tonight. So

1211
01:34:24,750 --> 01:34:28,089
that's what today. What's going on with harvest. So, so

1212
01:34:28,089 --> 01:34:31,209
then October then gets, gets really busy. We've got three

1213
01:34:31,209 --> 01:34:36,489
big projects that are all competing for completeness referral timing.

1214
01:34:36,489 --> 01:34:38,009
There's a lot of variables in there for all three

1215
01:34:38,049 --> 01:34:43,689
of them. Um, and so the three are massiveless amendment.

1216
01:34:44,341 --> 01:34:48,400
Um, Lake Springs Ranch and Harvest Illish. They're all looking

1217
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,160
for agenda time. Um, and so they're not all going

1218
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,880
to fit in October. So there probably will be some

1219
01:34:54,901 --> 01:35:00,211
overlap into November 8. But that's those, those three are

1220
01:35:00,392 --> 01:35:03,331
about three other, not quite as large projects that are

1221
01:35:03,432 --> 01:35:05,811
all, you know, very close to being ready to go.

1222
01:35:05,912 --> 01:35:10,211
Correct. Um, and those include projects hardwick bridges one that

1223
01:35:10,232 --> 01:35:12,291
John's working on. Yeah. Hard bridge. And then the reserve

1224
01:35:12,632 --> 01:35:18,667
Aspingland. And, uh, creed campground is also close to completeness.

1225
01:35:18,667 --> 01:35:22,507
So there's, um, so there's expansions there, modifications of that

1226
01:35:22,547 --> 01:35:26,895
campground. So just going to expand it. Not increasing the

1227
01:35:26,935 --> 01:35:29,855
unit count not to get into details. Just yours. But,

1228
01:35:29,855 --> 01:35:36,575
uh, acreage at acreage and reconfigure layout. So I will

1229
01:35:36,615 --> 01:35:40,410
probably flip. On that one. I'll pull it, John. Just

1230
01:35:40,450 --> 01:35:44,570
because I'm in the neighborhood. Gotcha. So, so that's too.

1231
01:35:44,570 --> 01:35:46,090
Yeah. Well, I don't know. It impacts me a little

1232
01:35:46,090 --> 01:35:48,730
more than you. But you see yourself on that one

1233
01:35:48,831 --> 01:35:56,319
too. So. Can't make money off it. Well, I'm biased

1234
01:35:56,420 --> 01:36:00,479
walking in. Yeah. So I feel like you can't make

1235
01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:02,919
bearish decision. Well, I might be in the community, so

1236
01:36:02,919 --> 01:36:07,990
I'm trying to say. Calling it out early. So it's

1237
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:11,093
not a surprise. So, um, wait till you see the

1238
01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:14,933
application then. Yeah. Yeah. Just as an impacted person. We'll

1239
01:36:14,933 --> 01:36:21,359
see the application. So plenty of, plenty of small projects

1240
01:36:21,380 --> 01:36:27,534
that are directors. That these guys are all working on.

1241
01:36:27,534 --> 01:36:30,894
We've got flood plan permits. We've got minor subdivisions. We've

1242
01:36:30,934 --> 01:36:34,414
got, um, community meeting facilities. There's a little bit of

1243
01:36:34,414 --> 01:36:37,294
everything going on. Those community meeting facilities, a lot of

1244
01:36:37,294 --> 01:36:40,174
those referred up. So that's sort of the big picture.

1245
01:36:40,174 --> 01:36:42,014
But a practical question for you. And this comes back

1246
01:36:42,014 --> 01:36:45,534
to maybe your question as far as a big project.

1247
01:36:45,574 --> 01:36:49,614
One of the discussion items is when we had multiple

1248
01:36:49,875 --> 01:36:54,814
evenings, you know, reviewing a major project. Question for the

1249
01:36:54,915 --> 01:36:57,934
commission is, would you prefer to have them on success

1250
01:36:57,974 --> 01:37:00,494
of nights? In other words, the Board of County Commissioners

1251
01:37:00,515 --> 01:37:04,014
typically does that sometimes for their big projects or they

1252
01:37:04,054 --> 01:37:06,014
have their meeting on Monday. They continue with the Tuesday

1253
01:37:06,595 --> 01:37:10,414
so that it's more continuity. And the big delay. That

1254
01:37:10,435 --> 01:37:13,134
would be somewhat you unique and basically need to be

1255
01:37:13,235 --> 01:37:17,614
coordinated and planned for, um, and the commission would need

1256
01:37:17,955 --> 01:37:19,854
to basically be calling a special meeting date for that

1257
01:37:20,115 --> 01:37:24,254
continuation. Um, the big project, the one that was mentioned,

1258
01:37:24,254 --> 01:37:27,134
you know, we had that delay for continuation. Um, it

1259
01:37:27,134 --> 01:37:31,614
worked, but it also creates some interesting dynamics for the

1260
01:37:31,635 --> 01:37:34,174
public engagement. Do you have to hear everybody all over

1261
01:37:34,214 --> 01:37:37,374
again? That was an issue. Mr. Chairman, that you dealt

1262
01:37:37,374 --> 01:37:40,974
with. And so question is, if you have a major

1263
01:37:40,995 --> 01:37:44,654
item on a Wednesday night, um, would this commission be

1264
01:37:44,755 --> 01:37:49,231
interested in a continuation just to the next night. So

1265
01:37:49,231 --> 01:37:51,391
you'd have a Wednesday night, Thursday night. I don't know.

1266
01:37:51,412 --> 01:37:53,551
I could see the negative side. Sometimes people need a

1267
01:37:53,551 --> 01:37:59,179
little bit of time to prepare. Right. Yeah. Oh. I

1268
01:37:59,219 --> 01:38:00,939
like it. They don't under long on the first night.

1269
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:05,489
Well, then the whole like closing public comment or doing

1270
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:08,689
public comment later is easier because nothing effectively changes in

1271
01:38:08,710 --> 01:38:15,917
a day. That's something that we're discussing. We're, you know,

1272
01:38:16,118 --> 01:38:17,857
we're just wanting to, and you guys don't have to

1273
01:38:17,897 --> 01:38:22,497
decide this evening necessarily, but, um, that's, that's a consideration.

1274
01:38:22,497 --> 01:38:26,477
Um, that maybe adds on one hand some efficiency, but

1275
01:38:26,518 --> 01:38:29,697
also it's a little different. And, uh, but the big

1276
01:38:29,737 --> 01:38:32,497
projects that are coming away, several of them might be

1277
01:38:32,537 --> 01:38:35,697
multiple nights. And the one in particular, um, harvest will

1278
01:38:35,718 --> 01:38:40,977
moat meeting off premise probably the same venue. CMC does

1279
01:38:41,017 --> 01:38:46,793
have availability to do multiple nights in a row. It's

1280
01:38:46,793 --> 01:38:50,693
concerned that I, what's that looking at? Either, either, um,

1281
01:38:50,974 --> 01:38:56,941
end of October or November meeting. So that has not

1282
01:38:56,981 --> 01:39:00,941
been finalized based on, you know, current status of the

1283
01:39:00,981 --> 01:39:06,504
referrals. Bills have a holiday. And we've got a haul

1284
01:39:06,605 --> 01:39:10,104
at first meeting in November. And Wednesday, Thursday, probably won't

1285
01:39:10,104 --> 01:39:12,584
work real good. I don't think it's getting someone. And

1286
01:39:12,584 --> 01:39:15,544
so, so that's maybe another, another sort of, I'm sorry

1287
01:39:15,544 --> 01:39:18,484
about throwing all these, you know, agenda timing questions, but

1288
01:39:18,605 --> 01:39:24,599
in November, um, first meeting falls on veterans day. Um,

1289
01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:29,239
not a great, you know, option. Um, and your second

1290
01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:33,719
meeting falls on, as Steve indicated, that basically the night

1291
01:39:33,980 --> 01:39:37,639
for one night before the Thanksgiving holiday. So, um, what

1292
01:39:37,639 --> 01:39:39,879
we might look at there is call on a special

1293
01:39:39,879 --> 01:39:42,839
meeting for the third Wednesday. We don't, we got enough

1294
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:46,439
application. We really need to number them. But that's a

1295
01:39:46,460 --> 01:39:49,559
consideration if you call special meeting on the third Wednesday.

1296
01:39:49,559 --> 01:39:53,319
That's the 18th. That week doesn't have any obvious conflicts.

1297
01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:56,999
It's not, um, not constricted by either a holiday or

1298
01:39:57,039 --> 01:39:59,319
other things. So that's something to think about. And maybe

1299
01:39:59,340 --> 01:40:01,079
the commission's read on. We can change the date with

1300
01:40:01,260 --> 01:40:06,845
public noticing, right? Yep. You can do that. Could you

1301
01:40:06,885 --> 01:40:08,845
also like if we know that there's a meeting that

1302
01:40:08,885 --> 01:40:11,165
has a really high potential of having a two night,

1303
01:40:11,165 --> 01:40:15,005
could you not agenda? I mean, the day after and

1304
01:40:15,005 --> 01:40:17,245
just say, this is a, this is a two day

1305
01:40:17,285 --> 01:40:20,845
agenda for time so that everybody, I heard the comment.

1306
01:40:20,845 --> 01:40:22,445
I can remember who said it, but you know, the

1307
01:40:22,445 --> 01:40:27,390
public would need to plan too that then, Hey. You

1308
01:40:27,390 --> 01:40:30,670
all, everybody would know that there's potential of it. For

1309
01:40:30,670 --> 01:40:33,230
the public. Like if we could do that or not,

1310
01:40:33,230 --> 01:40:35,070
well, that, it's a really good point. And, and we

1311
01:40:35,070 --> 01:40:39,330
could, we could, we could communicate that. You know, CS.

1312
01:40:39,671 --> 01:40:43,431
Two nights, then yay us. Yeah. So that's, that's something

1313
01:40:43,431 --> 01:40:46,151
we can manage. It helps us not have this problem.

1314
01:40:46,191 --> 01:40:48,231
The thing that gets hard is we have the, are

1315
01:40:48,271 --> 01:40:52,449
we going to run to 11. Are we going to

1316
01:40:52,449 --> 01:40:55,849
stop at a reasonable 930? Would that also help solve

1317
01:40:55,849 --> 01:40:59,049
the issue that we had where you're going to listen

1318
01:40:59,049 --> 01:41:01,209
to an hour of people and then those same people

1319
01:41:01,310 --> 01:41:04,489
would be starting the next night? It would resolve that

1320
01:41:04,529 --> 01:41:11,802
issue. Yes. That was my biggest problem with that. Continuation

1321
01:41:12,223 --> 01:41:15,562
is that if we started, and if the 200 people,

1322
01:41:15,562 --> 01:41:18,682
if you have 200 people the next time, then the

1323
01:41:18,783 --> 01:41:21,562
first hour of people get to repeat exactly what they

1324
01:41:21,602 --> 01:41:23,882
said the time before. You don't let them go again.

1325
01:41:23,983 --> 01:41:27,082
Well, that's maybe where we can do some night if

1326
01:41:27,122 --> 01:41:28,922
that helps solve that, I think. I mean, I'm fine

1327
01:41:28,962 --> 01:41:31,562
with the two nights in a row. One, it's fresh

1328
01:41:31,562 --> 01:41:35,562
on everybody's mind. You don't come back two weeks later.

1329
01:41:35,562 --> 01:41:38,762
Everybody in the room knows, hopefully they remember what happened

1330
01:41:38,783 --> 01:41:43,266
the night before. Let me go to public comment that

1331
01:41:43,306 --> 01:41:48,168
we had no intention of. Repeating public comment the next

1332
01:41:48,168 --> 01:41:51,784
day. Because we have that option, correct? Or do they

1333
01:41:51,784 --> 01:41:54,664
have to have the ability to speak again? They should

1334
01:41:54,704 --> 01:41:58,577
have the opportunity. Wouldn't that also help curtail new evidence.

1335
01:42:01,300 --> 01:42:05,839
Another good point. Good or bad. They could. There's less

1336
01:42:05,879 --> 01:42:11,418
chance of new evidence coming up. In 20 hours. I

1337
01:42:11,418 --> 01:42:13,418
think we just got to rule that out. Like when

1338
01:42:13,458 --> 01:42:16,218
it's a week, it's hard because things do change. Ernest

1339
01:42:16,258 --> 01:42:20,458
two weeks, but the next day there shouldn't be an

1340
01:42:20,498 --> 01:42:23,925
aha moment. It's also not really fair to the public

1341
01:42:24,026 --> 01:42:27,685
because they don't get to hear all the information again.

1342
01:42:27,685 --> 01:42:29,765
We have it in front of us. It's all documented

1343
01:42:30,266 --> 01:42:32,245
unless they've printed it out or something. They wouldn't have

1344
01:42:32,285 --> 01:42:34,725
it either. So everything's kind of still fresh and everybody's

1345
01:42:34,746 --> 01:42:39,403
minds. So the option came to mind because it basically

1346
01:42:39,424 --> 01:42:42,363
follows the format that the Board of County Commissioners utilize.

1347
01:42:45,438 --> 01:42:48,937
Where if they have to roll over Monday to Tuesday

1348
01:42:49,758 --> 01:42:53,417
and try to create some predictability in the process along

1349
01:42:53,838 --> 01:42:56,377
the discussion. We can do a little more research. Double

1350
01:42:56,417 --> 01:42:59,177
check a little bit with Kelly and make sure that

1351
01:42:59,438 --> 01:43:02,607
all works on the attorney's side. But I thought we'd

1352
01:43:02,607 --> 01:43:04,447
run it in front of you tonight to see what

1353
01:43:04,487 --> 01:43:09,834
your thoughts were. One thought that I have is thinking

1354
01:43:09,834 --> 01:43:17,095
about the harvest meeting. It seems to me if it

1355
01:43:17,135 --> 01:43:21,335
was in the scope of the discussion, you just do

1356
01:43:21,516 --> 01:43:24,295
the first part and even though you might not go

1357
01:43:24,335 --> 01:43:29,924
very late that first night and after. We opened public,

1358
01:43:29,924 --> 01:43:33,041
I just make public comments all the second night. So

1359
01:43:33,382 --> 01:43:35,281
it even give, don't even give a chance to make

1360
01:43:35,622 --> 01:43:39,489
public comment the first night. All kinds of options. And

1361
01:43:39,610 --> 01:43:44,728
early. We don't have the pressure that let's not ask

1362
01:43:44,829 --> 01:43:47,608
questions. Let's not have a real conversation with the applicant

1363
01:43:47,789 --> 01:43:52,846
because we need to go home before midnight. So something

1364
01:43:52,846 --> 01:43:55,726
to think about. We'll probably follow up with you on

1365
01:43:55,766 --> 01:43:59,726
that one. But if the strong feelings, you know, to

1366
01:43:59,766 --> 01:44:02,086
say, you know, don't go that route, this would be

1367
01:44:02,086 --> 01:44:05,833
a good time to give us some guidance. One question

1368
01:44:05,833 --> 01:44:12,013
about the state mandates. So once we get together, you

1369
01:44:12,013 --> 01:44:13,933
do the gut work and we approve it and goes

1370
01:44:13,933 --> 01:44:20,466
on, I guess, to the county commissioners, the SEC. Does

1371
01:44:20,487 --> 01:44:24,626
someone actually need to review and approve these plans or

1372
01:44:24,626 --> 01:44:28,066
can we make it pretty thin and just go through

1373
01:44:28,066 --> 01:44:34,146
the steps? Put that we're pretty good at reading their

1374
01:44:34,327 --> 01:44:39,466
guidelines and making sure that we fit their rubrics. So

1375
01:44:39,847 --> 01:44:43,666
with the, with the, uh, the fast track affordable housing

1376
01:44:43,706 --> 01:44:47,106
plan, we were efficient. They, they got to review it.

1377
01:44:48,722 --> 01:44:51,901
They gave us feedback. We made a few tweaks. We

1378
01:44:52,802 --> 01:44:54,381
got it just where it needed to be. And yet

1379
01:44:54,381 --> 01:44:56,621
it was still as very much in line with our

1380
01:44:56,642 --> 01:45:01,181
existing codes. So, um, the interesting have to approve it.

1381
01:45:01,181 --> 01:45:05,330
They looked, yep. They did. They did. And okay. Yeah.

1382
01:45:06,678 --> 01:45:08,817
And so we would expect that to be the same

1383
01:45:08,918 --> 01:45:12,577
case this go around. However, this would be a compliment

1384
01:45:12,617 --> 01:45:16,637
amendment. So it's all your deal. It's planning commission. You

1385
01:45:16,637 --> 01:45:19,617
know, we keep the board. Obviously a prize of it,

1386
01:45:19,617 --> 01:45:23,117
but, um, we feel pretty confident that we can, you

1387
01:45:23,117 --> 01:45:26,257
know, meet the standards and have something of value added

1388
01:45:26,297 --> 01:45:28,977
to our comp land so that it's not just an

1389
01:45:28,998 --> 01:45:33,777
exercise and just compliance. I think there's some tools here.

1390
01:45:35,638 --> 01:45:38,417
So, um, that's a little bit what we're looking at.

1391
01:45:38,417 --> 01:45:41,217
So, first meeting in September, which I think falls like

1392
01:45:41,318 --> 01:45:44,177
a day after Labor Day, something like that, we don't

1393
01:45:44,177 --> 01:45:48,057
have a meeting. Um, the fourth Wednesday in September, we

1394
01:45:48,057 --> 01:45:51,697
do. And we'll include a work session on, um, some

1395
01:45:51,697 --> 01:45:54,577
of these mandates as the second agenda item after that

1396
01:45:54,678 --> 01:46:00,804
location extent. When's the second meeting in October? It'll be

1397
01:46:00,804 --> 01:46:03,524
the 28th. That would be the second meeting in October.

1398
01:46:03,524 --> 01:46:07,604
It was the 28th. Yep. October of the 28th. September

1399
01:46:07,705 --> 01:46:15,321
is the 23rd. How's the pulse for the municipalities. I'm

1400
01:46:15,321 --> 01:46:18,261
sorry the. How's the pulse with the municipalities? I was

1401
01:46:18,261 --> 01:46:20,921
like, I was not referencing the application, but it seemed

1402
01:46:20,921 --> 01:46:22,441
like there might be a little bit of friction in

1403
01:46:22,441 --> 01:46:26,121
the room. Well, I think with the application that we

1404
01:46:26,222 --> 01:46:29,961
just reviewed tonight, like I pointed out in my presentation,

1405
01:46:29,961 --> 01:46:32,441
you know, we do have the IgA with all the

1406
01:46:32,542 --> 01:46:35,481
municipalities within the county. So if we get an application

1407
01:46:35,662 --> 01:46:39,161
that's within two miles of them or the closest municipality,

1408
01:46:39,161 --> 01:46:41,241
we give it to them before we actually do the

1409
01:46:41,342 --> 01:46:46,361
technical review. I think in between their comments during that

1410
01:46:46,462 --> 01:46:49,321
process and then re - referring it out to them

1411
01:46:49,342 --> 01:46:54,315
after the technically complete. Process, I think there was a

1412
01:46:54,315 --> 01:46:58,795
little bit of in their house. Oops, we lost that.

1413
01:46:58,795 --> 01:47:03,323
Now it's a scramble. But it's working out pretty good.

1414
01:47:05,336 --> 01:47:08,195
John's point was perfect. We have an IgA and we're

1415
01:47:08,216 --> 01:47:12,035
very diligent about it. Um, some time ago there was

1416
01:47:12,035 --> 01:47:15,795
some discussion of, are we seeing all the city projects?

1417
01:47:15,795 --> 01:47:17,955
Not that we have extra time to spend on them.

1418
01:47:17,955 --> 01:47:20,115
Um, we're really good about getting them our projects because

1419
01:47:20,115 --> 01:47:25,875
obviously oftentimes it deals with infrastructure. Um, access city streets,

1420
01:47:25,875 --> 01:47:28,995
that sort of thing. So, um, so we're in compliance

1421
01:47:29,035 --> 01:47:32,944
with that IgA. And so the question like with Glenn

1422
01:47:32,984 --> 01:47:35,644
would not want to making it hard to annex, but

1423
01:47:35,644 --> 01:47:39,664
then kind of implying the, Hey, this is what we

1424
01:47:39,765 --> 01:47:41,344
want the rules to be because these are our rules.

1425
01:47:42,275 --> 01:47:44,734
Yeah. Once again, I think we can then, is that

1426
01:47:44,734 --> 01:47:47,774
pretty good. But our workload is up because of their

1427
01:47:47,795 --> 01:47:50,873
annexation issue. So more pre - apps for properties that

1428
01:47:52,094 --> 01:47:55,353
would have been primed for annexation, um, and even in

1429
01:47:55,353 --> 01:47:58,473
this case, you know, our first meetings, did you talk

1430
01:47:58,473 --> 01:48:01,513
to the city? Did you discuss annexation with the city?

1431
01:48:01,513 --> 01:48:03,593
Um, it's always an appropriate thing, especially when you got

1432
01:48:03,694 --> 01:48:06,233
infrastructure issues. And there's, there's two or three other properties

1433
01:48:06,654 --> 01:48:08,473
in the glow area that are falling in that same

1434
01:48:08,494 --> 01:48:11,866
category. None of them have reached this point though. All

1435
01:48:11,866 --> 01:48:13,786
of them are just pre - app and inquiries. That's

1436
01:48:13,786 --> 01:48:15,706
always the first thing we point out to and it's

1437
01:48:15,706 --> 01:48:18,266
like, well, have you considered annexation? Have you talked to

1438
01:48:18,306 --> 01:48:21,146
the city yes or no? Well, we haven't yet. It's

1439
01:48:21,146 --> 01:48:22,986
like, well, you need to reach out. That's a huge

1440
01:48:23,087 --> 01:48:29,806
process. Oh yeah. Now. So there's, and there's other jurisdictions

1441
01:48:29,806 --> 01:48:34,846
that are pretty active with annexations as well. So it's

1442
01:48:34,867 --> 01:48:37,246
something that's one of the few that we'll annex and

1443
01:48:37,246 --> 01:48:39,486
give you sewer and water then. And that I think

1444
01:48:40,067 --> 01:48:45,931
they're living with that. Fallout. Nobody else will, but good

1445
01:48:45,971 --> 01:48:50,193
for them. Well, appreciate your opportunity to brainstorm a little

1446
01:48:50,193 --> 01:48:52,913
bit with you. A little more other business item for

1447
01:48:52,953 --> 01:48:56,033
tonight. And thank you for your comments tonight on John's

1448
01:48:56,033 --> 01:48:59,633
agenda item. Really valuable. And I think the applicant has

1449
01:48:59,673 --> 01:49:02,372
a lot of good takeaways from this meeting. So thank

1450
01:49:02,372 --> 01:49:05,480
you. Thank you all. Thank you for the work that

1451
01:49:05,480 --> 01:49:08,661
you do. Thank you. Our job is much easier. All

1452
01:49:08,661 --> 01:49:13,405
right. Thank you. Next year.