[0:00] and call the meeting to order um so
please go ahead and join me to say the
[0:04] Pledge of
[0:07] Allegiance all right I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of
[0:14] America and to the Republic for which it
stands one nation under God indivisible
[0:21] with liberty and justice for all and I'd
like to welcome Chris gets with the
[0:26] First Christian Church to say the
invocation
[0:28] please my pleasure will you bow with
me Heavenly Father we come before you
[0:34] and thank you for the privilege and the
blessing that it is that we've got a
[0:37] city that cares and a team of people
that also care and so we just ask Lord
[0:42] your wisdom and your guidance as they
continue on uh to deal with the Affairs
[0:46] of our town we're grateful for them and
I just pray Lord your hand of blessing
[0:49] as they make decisions for us it's in
your holy name we pray amen amen thank
[0:54] you Chris you thank you CHR than
guys okay approval of the minutes for
[1:01] November 24th City Commission meeting
commissioner Cole did you have any
[1:04] questions I do not have any questions
commissioner
[1:08] GW yeah under uh regular business they
got
[1:13] two uh in the second paragraph under
that they got two of them morphed
[1:19] together so the the supplement agreement
number three from
[1:24] PEC
uh I think uh
[1:31] so I
think I think Bridget made the
[1:35] motion Jody just need to clean up the
verbage and it approved two to one and
[1:42] then on the on the motion on the annual
Christmas bonus the way I remembered it
[1:48] don't really matter but I think I motion
I think bridg seconded it I think it was
[1:51] a three to0 three to zero vote yeah yep
I'll fix it
[1:56] correct okay and that's that's all that
I saw
[2:00] okay great then I will go ahead and make
a motion to approve the November 24th
[2:05] 2020 minutes after amended do I hear a
second I'll second I it's been moved and
[2:12] seconded all in favor say I
I
[2:20] I motion passes recognition of employee
of the month for November was Desiree
[2:25] Donovan thank you so much Desiree for
all the work that you have done I know
[2:29] that at least I'm pretty sure you've
been handling uh coordinating the zoom
[2:33] meetings for us and giving us all of our
meeting materials always appreciated I
[2:37] always have enjoyed talking to you very
pleasant and upbeat and positive and you
[2:42] even gave up your office space which was
very considerate to help with the when
[2:47] the city was
reorganizing so we just thank you so
[2:50] much for always being a team player and
being there for the
[2:55] City Y
[3:00] citizens to be
[3:05] heard I don't know if there's anyone on
the
[3:08] call I don't see anyone so we'll go
ahead and move on to governing body
[3:13] comments student rep Nathan Gwyn do you
have anything that you'd like to say no
[3:18] I don't have anything thank
[3:21] you uh commissioner
Gwyn uh I just first off I'd just like
[3:27] to thank Mike Burns of the Auburn fmer
for the donating a courtesy car to the
[3:33] airport and I out there this evening and
very nice car huge upgrade for them and
[3:41] uh airport project looks like it is
proceeding they run into a hitch one
[3:46] crew a couple of the crew members got Co
so they had to send them home and
[3:51] brought in another crew so they're
hoping to they're hoping to finish
[3:55] everything up Thursday so uh it's kind
of progressive but they ran into a hitch
[4:01] today on
that and that's uh that's all that I
[4:07] got okay uh commissioner Cole yes I
would like to thank the chamber for
[4:13] organizing the Santa Cruz I'm really
excited for that to take place um on
[4:17] December 19th uh 6 to 8 o'clock
right I think that's right and I also
[4:23] want to thank the friends of the Prairie
Spirit Trail for decorating the Harris
[4:26] Park they always do such a nice job and
it's just um we appreciate them so
[4:32] that's all I
[4:36] have um Chris the only thing I was kind
of curious about was The Southern Star
[4:41] comments I know that that period was
really limited and I was kind of
[4:43] wondering if the city knew if anyone had
submitted anything to
[4:48] that as far as I'm aware nobody
submitted any comments or had any
[4:53] concerns regarding the uh regarding the
proposed leave-in Place project okay all
[5:00] right thank you and I just wanted to
thank Auburn Pharmacy too for the
[5:03] donation of that car I noticed that this
past weekend I believe there were people
[5:08] here who were able to utilize it so that
was really exciting and so wonderful to
[5:11] see that we have an little bit of an
updated model
[5:15] there all right moving on to regular
business item a consideration of
[5:20] appointment of Bob Mills and
reappointment of Beth merman to the
[5:23] Planning Commission and board of zoning
Appeals
[5:30] right commissioner Cole did you have any
questions I don't have any questions but
[5:34] I'm excited to see all the people that
are interested in all the the openings
[5:37] that we have on this committee so no
questions commissioner Gwen I I didn't
[5:43] have any questions either okay I did not
either so I will go ahead and make a
[5:48] motion to approve the appointment of Bob
Mills and Beth merman to the Planning
[5:52] Commission and board of zoning appeals
do I hear a second I'll
[5:55] second okay it's been moved and seconded
all in favor say I
[6:00] I
I all right motion passes consideration
[6:05] of appointment of Helen Norman and
reappointment of Susan Karen to the
[6:09] tourism Advisory Board commissioner
Cole I don't have any questions um I
[6:15] would move to approve the appointment of
Helen Norman and the reappointment of
[6:19] Susan Karen to the tourism Advisory
Board okay I'll second it's been moved
[6:24] and seconded all in favor say
I I I
[6:30] I okay motion passes consideration of
reappointment of janon Gordon and Roy
[6:36] Salazar to the Parks and Recreation
Advisory
[6:41] Board all right uh commissioner
Cole no I would move to approve the
[6:48] reappointment of Janan Gordon and Roy
Salazar to the Parks and Recreation
[6:52] Advisory
[6:55] Board I have
second okay it's been moved in second
[6:59] did all in favor say
I
[7:05] I all right um consideration of
reappoint oh sorry motion
[7:11] passes H consideration of reappointment
of Linda huon Mueller and Sandra mofet
[7:17] to the library
[7:21] board I will go ahead and make a motion
to approve um the reappointment of both
[7:26] Miss huton Mueller and Sandra mofet the
library board do I hear a second I'll
[7:32] second okay it's been moved in seconded
all in paper say I
[7:38] I okay motion
passes and then consideration of
[7:43] reappointment of Elizabeth Abraham to
the Housing Authority
[7:47] board
[7:50] um I'll go ahead and make a motion to
approve the appointment of um Elizabeth
[7:55] Abraham to the Housing Authority board
do I hear a second I'll second
[8:00] okay it's been moved and seconded all in
favor say I
[8:05] I okay M motion
passes approval of CBG CV funds in the
[8:11] amount of
$1,341
[8:15] 63 for CD shy
agency this is probably pretty standard
[8:21] then Chris to go along with all the
other cdbg dollars
[8:25] correct okay are there any questions
that the other commissioners
[8:30] have I didn't have any okay I don't have
any questions all right then we'll go
[8:35] ahead and make a motion to approve the
CBG CB funds in the amount of
[8:39] $2,341 63 for CD Shelty agency do I hear
a second I'll
[8:46] second I it's been moved and seconded
all in favor say I I I
[8:53] I okay motion
passes item G uh consideration of police
[8:59] Police Department remodel I think there
might be questions here so we'll slow
[9:06] down okay Chris um Chief King is on the
call isn't
[9:10] he I know he was getting on I don't know
if he's here quite yet or not unless
[9:15] he's Mom's computer I'm not seeing him
so um now I noticed I noticed that he
[9:22] had sent a video kind of explaining
everything that he was looking at having
[9:28] remodeled and that has not changed
correct correct okay unless something's
[9:35] changed in the last hour and a half so I
don't believe so surpris yeah okay
[9:40] that's what I was gonna ask when did he
send the video I didn't see it I haven't
[9:46] seen it but i' been driving home as so
so um if you hold on a second I can tell
[9:53] you I'm not exactly sure what this will
do to my video
[9:56] but I re I received the video from a
link called evidence.com
[10:02] on December 4th so there was an email
first from Kurt King and it it went to
[10:09] all of our Garnet Kansas City email
addresses so if you haven't checked that
[10:14] one then that would be where you would
have received it and right after
[10:19] that was the one
who what I received an email from him
[10:26] that said he was going to send one but I
I mean I earlier today and I still
[10:30] hadn't received it so I don't know if
there's something wrong with that email
[10:34] address or maybe it just didn't come
through right but Fe Sate on the 4th
[10:39] today's the eth it should you know it's
had plenty of time to get there so okay
[10:43] but there isn't there aren't any changes
compared to
[10:47] the written information that he gave us
at the previous I I don't believe so and
[10:53] Kurt has joined the conversation now so
I can let him address some of this but
[10:58] uh with regard to the email issues I can
if you would like uh I can access uh I'd
[11:07] have to change your passwords that I can
try to get into it and see if there's uh
[11:12] any issues and make sure that it's
functioning properly um but if you would
[11:17] like to try to do that I can try to see
if there's any issues there that may be
[11:21] preventing you from receiving
those and then I could reset the
[11:26] password and uh resent you resend it to
you so you can update your password
[11:32] after after we get it whatever issues
there may be
[11:36] addressed okay yeah I wouldn't mind
finding out maybe why it didn't come
[11:41] through but I did have an opportunity to
read through the material he gave us at
[11:46] the last SC so
[11:51] yeah so C uh Chief King there was uh a
question about the video only mayor bre
[11:59] kaen hus uh has had a chance to review
the video I believe commissioner Gwen
[12:04] you didn't get a chance to either I
don't I don't use my city email so I
[12:09] didn't I didn't see
it okay um so I know that commissioner
[12:16] Cole indicated Chief you came came in
just a little bit late uh commissioner
[12:20] Cole indicated she for some reason
hasn't received it either on on her City
[12:24] email address so we'll have to look into
to why that occurred um and try to make
[12:29] sure that we can get that out to you but
you might check to see if it wasn't
[12:34] maybe went to spam CU it's it would have
been a link from evidence.com like so
[12:39] once it got uploaded from our body cams
it shares it's a secure portal so it
[12:43] sends a link and it'll self I said it I
think for 10 days then it self deletes
[12:48] after that but they should have got a
link to download from evidence.com and
[12:53] there's times that that will go to spam
so I did receive it in the main inbox
[12:58] there
uh shortly after you sent the first
[13:01] email so it at least didn't go to to my
spam email folder I
[13:07] guess did the and I guess the other
Commissioners probably haven't seen it I
[13:12] I mean I just sketched something up I
didn't know the dimensions I just took
[13:16] some some guesses but I sketched up some
sort of a blueprint have there is there
[13:21] has there been a plan made or are we
still where we was at last time we just
[13:25] want to build something and then tear it
down and and redo it later
[13:29] well I guess my question to the
commission is is what is considered
[13:36] later well it would be my hopes that uh
we can proceed if if we can I don't have
[13:43] trouble expending this amount of money
on the project if it's a section of the
[13:49] building and that part's done and then
and then we carry the project on as we
[13:53] get monies but uh to to do it and then
just turn around and tear it out seems
[13:58] like a waste of money
[14:02] and I guess the only thing that I was
thinking if we continue to put
[14:06] 125
into the capital Improvement line item
[14:12] each year based on what the Architects
gave us on that previous one at a half a
[14:16] million it's going to be like 38 years
before we get to the half a million Mark
[14:20] to remodel it
[14:26] completely I'm thinking a half a million
is going to be kind of a Taj M Hall it
[14:30] might even make the county county barn
look like a coat closet I I don't know
[14:36] how you could hardly spend a half
million dollars in that
[14:41] space I I'm just going off what the
Architects told me I I I thought that
[14:45] was an I I figured it'd be closer to a
quarter of a million personally
[14:51] but the problem is is that it has steps
and to even get it an ADA Compliant just
[14:56] like the side entrance is going to take
the the grade would take you almost
[15:00] halfway across the
[15:07] building coming in from the parking lot
yes is there is there one step or maybe
[15:13] two there's
[15:16] two and then the same thing for the step
down to get over to the City Hall
[15:24] side the Ada issues are
significant um that Chief King is
[15:30] referencing and if we were to make any
kind of uh fullscale remodel we would be
[15:36] required to make it ADA Compliant to my
[15:51] understanding so this tonight's proposal
is exactly the same as last time right
[15:59] I believe that is the case yes Chief
King was hoping that with an additional
[16:03] couple weeks to review uh that the
commission might be might have enough
[16:07] time to uh review and consider the
information and then I think that the
[16:12] issue at the last time was that you only
had a couple hours toh to review that
[16:16] information so that was obviously
challenging to
[16:21] do
now goad information that he okay on the
[16:27] remodel information that he gave us at
the previous meeting that I read you
[16:31] that's not going to be enough that it
would lock us into any ADA compliance
[16:37] right I I don't believe so uh City
attorney sander would you have any
[16:43] concerns with regard to um will it
amount to a
[16:55] minor
uh Mr solander you're muted okay how
[17:00] about that there better there we go
okay yeah I got it uh unmuted I don't uh
[17:10] have any drawings or anything but based
on my conversations with Chief King uh I
[17:18] think the
remodeling that's proposed for right now
[17:23] is slight enough that it probably would
not trigger 8 because it doesn't address
[17:31] the entry and so forth and areas that
are obviously non-compliant won't be
[17:37] affected by it so it's always been my
understanding that
[17:42] unless uh pretty much started from
scratch if you left areas that weren't
[17:48] as long as what you put back is ADA
Compliant you should be all
[17:56] right okay thank you
[18:02] so Chris this would come um out of
already budgeted Capital Improvement
[18:06] funds right yes
[18:11] ma'am what was that dollar amount again
I know it was on the
[18:16] previous but I didn't see it on the
front here it might be all the bid total
[18:20] up to 17,6
[18:27] 7396 okay
and if the commission would feel better
[18:32] I guess some things if you we could
scale back on some things the biggest
[18:38] thing is is I have a
uh an interview room upgrade
[18:44] coming uh the uh software is going to
get purchased here in the next week or
[18:48] so uh and so we have to insulate one
room to so that we can adequately use
[18:55] our interview room and then that South
room I would request even if we don't do
[19:00] some of the others I would still request
like the flooring and things would help
[19:05] improve it just the looks
dramatically and that the one wall in
[19:11] the South room I would assume even if we
do a remodel will stay
[19:16] there uh and uh a complete remodel I'd
assume that would remain probably the
[19:23] same and then the flooring if if a if a
somehow we come up with money to do a
[19:30] more extensive remodel then we could
reuse the flooring it's it's going to be
[19:35] a vinyl plank flooring which will come
up easily and it can just lay over the
[19:39] existing flooring that we
[19:45] have mayor Breck heisen has I don't have
any other questions and U I would be
[19:51] fine if you would want to make a motion
okay uh yeah I just I was just going to
[19:57] make mention of the fact that it's
coming from the police department's
[20:01] Capital Improvement fund I I am okay
with the idea of using it at the
[20:06] discretion and approval of the
um of the city manager as well with the
[20:12] police department you know and
identifying that need and I mean chief
[20:16] King you know the needs of the
department and if that is where you find
[20:19] that you know Capital Improvements are
best made then I uh trust that and I did
[20:25] appreciate being able to watch the video
to see that as well so I am I'm fine
[20:30] with that expenditure if that is how you
want to proceed especially in light of
[20:36] the odds of there being a significant
remodel in the near future is unlikely
[20:41] and it does need a lot of work done to
that area so I
[20:46] am I'm okay with that as well H now
commissioner going are there any other
[20:52] questions you had before any motion is
made
[20:59] no I like I say I don't have I don't
have a problem with expenditure and they
[21:02] definitely need some upgrades to that
area but uh
[21:07] I well I just for the lack of planning
uh to be able to use this remodeled area
[21:16] into the future I just can't vote for it
with
[21:20] uh as it
stands
[21:24] okay I will go ahead and make a motion
then to approve the police Department
[21:29] remodel in the amount of and correct me
if I'm wrong $ 17,6
[21:36] 7396 do I hear a second I'll
second moved and seconded all in favor
[21:43] say I I
I all again or all opposed same sign
[21:51] I
okay motion passes 2 to
[21:56] one all right consideration claim for
damages from commissioner
[22:02] Gwyn I've
spent well I really don't know how much
[22:07] time I've spent on it I've spent more on
it than what I anticipated I would have
[22:12] to I'd say I'm probably 75 to 80%
through but I'd like the opportunity to
[22:18] complete it I should be able to give you
a report in advance of the next meeting
[22:23] so that you would have it prior to uh
that time okay that's fine with me fair
[22:32] enough okay then we will go ahead and
table that for the next meeting and move
[22:37] on to discussion regarding an ordinance
regulating dirt bike tracks or noise
[22:43] levels
uh Chris do you mind going in explaining
[22:48] this a little bit I mean do you even
have a I didn't see that there was an
[22:52] example ordinance in here or if anything
in our noise ordinances would pertain to
[22:58] addressing any of this so if you don't
mind kind of elaborating on the issue
[23:04] absolutely uh so the currently the city
does not have uh really a a formal noise
[23:12] ordinance um like a lot of communities
do um we basically have disturbing the
[23:19] piece um but there's not like a you know
deible level type ordinance that a lot
[23:24] of communities have um The Challenge has
been that we had a uh a resident who has
[23:32] uh requested that an ordinance be
considered uh
[23:37] regarding dirt bike tracks in the city
limits because uh right across from his
[23:43] house is one of his neighbors has uh
basically started to use their front
[23:48] yard as a as a dirt bike track uh and I
believe I provided a link to a to a
[23:55] video um hopefully you were able to
review that that
[24:01] um and uh basically the
um the situation was that the the
[24:10] individual
uh
[24:13] is having an excessive amount of noise
that is dis disturbing the uh the
[24:20] individual and he has I believe I
provided in your in a packet this
[24:24] evening a list of uh community members
neighbors to that property who have
[24:31] basically signed a petition that they
would be in favor of consideration of
[24:36] such an ordinance um we discussed a
couple different options with this with
[24:41] this resident whether it be you know a
noise ordinance whether it be regulating
[24:46] dirt tracks uh Etc I told him I wasn't
sure what direction the commission might
[24:50] like to proceed and that's why I don't
have a sample ordinance in front of you
[24:55] uh really was hoping to get some
guidance from you this evening on if you
[24:58] would like to consider such an ordinance
and then City attorney solander and I
[25:03] can try to come up with something for
your consideration uh but you know
[25:08] whether it would be something that you
would want toh to view a a dirt bike
[25:14] track prohibition whether it be in city
limits whether it be in a residential
[25:18] area um or whether it be something more
along the lines of a of a traditional
[25:24] noise ordinance regulating certain
decibel levels uh it's Etc so wasn't
[25:29] wasn't exactly sure what direction you
might like to go but thought I'd hear
[25:34] what your thoughts were on that could I
make a comment if you guys don't mind
[25:41] sure um I don't know uh Mr solander and
Greg you guys might remember when there
[25:48] was an issue with um someone having a
gun range out off of
[25:56] katala um I don't what the Precedence uh
was I mean I think that set the
[26:02] Precedence for this um I don't know what
the um final decision was on that but
[26:08] this was probably six or seven years ago
do you remember how that
[26:13] um uh what we did there um with with
that uh noise
[26:21] complaint I think it just pretty much
took care of itself I'm not recalling
[26:26] that we did anything particular on that
I don't remember anything being done
[26:31] either yeah that's my recollection is
that we we talked about it and uh the
[26:37] complaints went away or subsided or
something because I sure don't recall
[26:42] that we enacted anything to address the
issue and I wasn't that property in the
[26:49] county and not in the city also it was
County yes that's what I was thinking
[26:55] and the the if if I
uh I haven't done any research in the
[27:01] registered leads office with this
particular uh situation and the person
[27:06] who has the dirt TR dirt bike track but
I believe some part if not a significant
[27:14] part of their ground is outside the city
and if it's prohibited uh uh just you
[27:21] know from a a dirt bike
standpoint you're going to have a
[27:27] problem if they're doing doing it
outside the city the noise ordinance
[27:30] looks to me like it might be the most
profitable Avenue to
[27:36] explore and the only cautionary that I
would say at this point is 10 or 15
[27:43] years ago when these uh noise ordinances
became fairly popular it coincided with
[27:49] the availability of relatively
inexpensive decibel
[27:55] meters and there was some concern in
some cities uh that without proper
[28:03] training uh City officials would
probably get challenged in court when
[28:11] the prosecution of citations was uh
necessary I don't I've seen a number of
[28:18] ordinances that now prohibit
noise and again it's not an exhaustive
[28:24] search by any means but after the notes
appear
[28:28] last meeting in the city manager report
I I did a very minimal amount of
[28:35] checking there are enough of them out
there that I suspect maybe some of the
[28:40] early concerns have been addressed or
proved to be not the problem that they
[28:47] were expected to be uh so I think a uh a
noise ordinance might be more uh
[28:57] effective
if somebody was trying to move it
[29:00] outside the the city limits noise has a
way of of moving and I um I'm not sure
[29:08] that you couldn't make an argument that
uh the city would have jurisdiction if
[29:13] somebody was so close to the boundary as
to be able to you know create virtually
[29:19] an indistinguishable problem for City
residents even though it was being
[29:23] generated outside the city um
those are just pretty much random
[29:30] thoughts right now but uh unless there's
a real appetite just to address dirt
[29:36] bikes I think my inclination would be to
study it from that perspective at least
[29:43] initially have they I assume this
property is in the city limits and and
[29:48] have uh has anybody reached out to that
property owner and and talk to them I
[29:53] mean we're talking about passing rules
for everybody over this one situation
[30:01] I haven't uh talked to anybody about it
so I have not spoken with the uh the
[30:08] individual in question I can certainly
reach out to um to to that person uh I
[30:14] do my understanding is that there have
been conversations um regarding this
[30:20] situation uh with the neighbor and the
individual but U I have not but I can
[30:26] certainly do that if if you would like
to
[30:28] have me explore that route uh prior
to uh moving forward with an
[30:35] ordinance yeah I think that I would
appreciate hearing what would come of a
[30:39] conversation with the person I mean is
it during the day typically that this is
[30:43] happening or is it a nighttime
event so to my at least the the video
[30:49] that was provided uh it was certainly
daylight and um it seems to me uh
[30:56] through the conversation I had with the
with the resident that it wasn't
[31:01] necessarily limited to certain time
frames that it was probably um a uh
[31:07] fairly consistent issue uh in evenings
and during the daytime but I can I can
[31:14] certainly visit with the with the
individual who the complaint is is
[31:23] regarding yeah that would be great
please
[31:31] commissioner Cole did you have any other
questions in the interim before he
[31:37] speaks um no but I do think it's a good
idea to reach out to the person who has
[31:43] the complaint to try to gather all the
information so we'll have that as we
[31:48] move forward
yeah good and if nothing else too um the
[31:54] person then has the opportunity to
become aware that it's coming for the
[31:58] commission so they could always speak on
the matter as
[32:02] well okay approval of semi-monthly bills
and payroll in the amount of
[32:12] $996 uh commissioner Cole did you have
any questions I do not commissioner
[32:19] Gwen I got my questions answered only
notes I'll make is that the 308,000 of
[32:26] it is for
[32:30] fueling apron and taxi way at the
airport and 437,000 of it is for debt
[32:37] payoff on a waterline project so that's
some some big numbers that R this thing
[32:43] up just for a little explanation of some
of it thank
[32:49] you all right I'll go ahead and make a
motion to approve this in my monthly
[32:52] bills and payroll in the amount of
[32:56] $996,000
second
[33:00] second it's been moved in seconded all
in favor say I I
[33:07] I motion passes we'll go ahead and move
on to informational items departmental
[33:12] reports commissioner Cole did you have
any comments or questions on these I do
[33:18] have a few um on Julie and I know she's
on here um it said that the the
[33:23] Harvesters the next distribution may be
on Monday December 21st if someone wants
[33:29] to help with that who would they do they
contact you
[33:34] um second
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[33:37] Susan was that who you're were
referencing Mrs Cole it is okay sorry uh
[33:43] yeah uh you could certainly reach out to
to Susan or Mr Dan col train is actually
[33:48] who puts that together I don't know if
you know Mr col Train's contact
[33:52] information but um I don't have his
contact information but I do know who it
[33:57] is
okay uh C certainly we can help
[34:01] coordinate that if you would have any
interest in assisting I I do know uh
[34:07] it's always the more hands that are
available certainly makes it a lot
[34:12] easier it's been growing certainly
especially around the holiday season in
[34:16] terms of the number of people who are um
who are in need and uh
[34:23] the the amount of food and resources
that are provided it's it's just
[34:28] absolutely tremendous that our community
can do that for our people yeah I have
[34:33] that day off so I would I would like to
to help with that um the other question
[34:38] I have in Susan's report it talks about
Meals on Wheels is there um is there an
[34:44] age
limit to the kids that could help with
[34:48] that do you know like let's say um KY
organization or the FBLA out of the high
[34:55] school are if that would even work for
[35:00] them do do they have to be a certain age
to help with that that's what I was to
[35:05] to be honest I am not sure on on that
okay could I just email Susan would she
[35:13] probably
uh she might know Mr sander do you
[35:17] happen to know if there's any age restri
I'm not aware of any age restrictions on
[35:22] it but uh I haven't had any reason to
check into it so I really don't know
[35:28] okay my my first thought would be that
it'd probably be possible essentially
[35:32] you're just picking up Meals um
previously prepared meals from the
[35:36] senior center and then delivering them
to uh to wherever their final
[35:41] destination is
but as long as you have a driver's
[35:45] license my assumption would be that that
would be
[35:48] Poss I think where there's no
compensation involved in in doing it
[35:54] it's a regular uh Class C license which
177 or 18 year old would be able to
[36:01] possess that ought to be
adequate okay I will pass that
[36:07] information
[36:10] on I wanted to
ask on the fire department at a question
[36:18] he just said that um there's some
additional Emergency Equipment that's
[36:22] going to be needed and he's going to put
that in his December report
[36:27] know do you have any idea what equipment
he's talking about is it going to be
[36:31] like big dollar amounts or something
that we might be able to get for them uh
[36:37] so it was uh all purchases that I think
were you know going to Total to less
[36:43] than 5,000 if I recall correctly uh
Chief Skillman and I had a conversation
[36:48] about um what they needed to try to do
here at the end of the year um if there
[36:53] were any any expenses any needs that
they had and you know one thing was um
[37:01] getting the garage doors repaired um
they weren't closing all the way and uh
[37:06] the the motor itself and the chain it
was constantly running and if we didn't
[37:12] get it fixed uh eventually that door was
going to um malfunction to where it's
[37:17] going to open um and then when we have a
fire we need to get a truck out we can't
[37:21] get the truck out because the door won't
open um or you know we end up having to
[37:25] replace the whole door and get gear and
chain and everything so I believe that's
[37:29] going to be around a $1,000 fix and he's
looking for uh hope hopefully get a
[37:34] grant for that as well um he went ahead
and purchased I believe it was another
[37:40] weed eater a
chainsaw uh some equipment to help
[37:44] outfit the trucks so that way no matter
which truck they take uh they they'll
[37:49] have the equipment that they need um
currently uh we have or at least
[37:54] historically we have had to at times uh
switch equipment from one truck to
[37:59] another to try and make sure that the
right equipment was on the truck that
[38:03] they were going to respond with and by
outfitting the trucks with all the uh
[38:08] same equipment they're not going to have
to to spend valuable time um trying to
[38:12] make sure that the the truck has the
tools that they need um before they can
[38:17] actually respond um so this way they can
have a quicker response time uh as well
[38:22] as um I believe uh a fairly significant
purchase was a fan um
[38:28] you know just trying to make sure that
they're they're properly outfitted for
[38:35] the the job itself and so most
everything was tool oriented um or like
[38:40] in the case of the garage door uh some
repairs there I believe they're also
[38:43] looking at um replacing the Bay Lighting
from uh traditional lighting to LED
[38:50] lights uh which will be some Capital
expense but longterm should save us some
[38:55] money on on electricity on electricity
costs uh same same deal with the garage
[39:00] door in that it wasn't closing properly
and so we were leaking air conditioning
[39:05] we were leaking um hot hot air all the
time and so by fixing that we it should
[39:11] reduce our utility costs as well given
that we'll be able to actually close
[39:16] that door so overall uh I I do think
that it's going to be less than you know
[39:23] $5,000 to my understanding okay I just
when the fire department needs things
[39:29] for their trucks I just wanted to make
sure that we I didn't want to slow up
[39:33] that process so if there are things that
they need I just want to make sure that
[39:36] they get those I just have a couple more
things um on the Parks and Recreation
[39:42] and and this is just a question I know
that high school activities are not
[39:46] allowing anybody in any Spectators and
so when I read that we are doing that I
[39:52] just I didn't know if there was um I
mean maybe we what reasoning we use to
[39:59] to do that to allow
Spectators so to uh Phil and I had a had
[40:06] a conversation about this yesterday
morning and I didn't have a chance to to
[40:09] visit with him um at link uh to try and
really see I guess what modifications
[40:17] they're looking at but I know that there
are restrictions on the on the amount of
[40:21] Spectators that are going to be allowed
um I know that in our league there are
[40:27] uh a number of schools that were it was
pivotal to get on board with being able
[40:33] to really play ball at all uh because if
they were going to um in a lot of cases
[40:40] it was you know a consideration of they
may not allow us to to be in there at
[40:44] all and and use their gymnasiums and
that was something that uh thankfully we
[40:49] were able to our league was able to
partner with those schools and make that
[40:52] happen there was I believe one school or
one community that dropped out of our
[40:57] recreational League because they did not
want to abide by the um restrictions on
[41:04] attendance for spectators um so rather
than play with limited Spectators they
[41:09] decid they opted out of playing at all
um but we are grateful to be able to
[41:15] offer the um the programming uh at all
so I know that that's something right
[41:21] now that's challenging Casa did meet
today to review the appeals boards
[41:27] recommendation to uh rather
than completely remove Spectators to
[41:34] allow I believe it was somewhere between
one or two
[41:38] um parents or or Spectators per child
I'm not sure you you're probably more
[41:44] aware of what that result was than than
I am but uh I I know that in
[41:51] general the the leagues our league was
able to uh get schools and gymnasiums
[41:59] available that we were going to be able
to have limited
[42:03] Spectators and so it is something that
you know may be a little bit more than
[42:07] what Casa allows uh but it is still
Limited at
[42:12] least okay um I did you don't mind real
real quick I just um we also purchased
[42:19] two iPads with spark funding so they can
actually stream those youth sport games
[42:26] to still limit the attendance so um we
were going to not we weren't going to be
[42:31] able to spend everything that we were um
allotted and so we were thinking outside
[42:36] the box and Phil suggested uh doing that
I reached out to uh the county clerk and
[42:41] she said yeah that's a viable spark
expense so we actually did and purchase
[42:46] two iPads so they can live stream those
games as well yeah I was excited to see
[42:51] that when I read that I did want to
compliment Karen who was doing some
[42:55] online classes um exercise classes so
good for her um the last thing I had I
[43:01] happen to than the fire department they
always make money through their chili
[43:05] soup supper and I know we have that
Santa Cruisin coming up and I didn't
[43:09] know it might be too late but I wondered
if they could do something where people
[43:13] could order it and you know get get
those item get soup to go maybe during
[43:20] that time and maybe that would help them
um bring in a little bit of money for
[43:25] some of the things that they're needing
but
[43:28] just an
idea okay that's all I have thanks thank
[43:34] here commissioner
Gwen
[43:38] um well I on the the uh West report fire
chief I see they got two new uh
[43:47] firefighters on board Zachary wilper and
Justin Thompson so that's good that they
[43:52] they're getting some some young people
on there and got some interest in that a
[43:57] vital service that they
provide
[44:01] um one thing on one of the reports the
see a Wastewater truck is needing
[44:07] replaced is that a is that like a pickup
style truck or or a bigger truck like
[44:14] commissioner G can you hear
me commissioner G can you hear me yep
[44:20] okay it is a Ford F250 and it's not
necessarily being replaced uh it would
[44:26] serve is a backup truck but it's getting
pretty thin
[44:31] um pretty thin and my hope is that next
year we can get them a new truck or a
[44:38] good used truck and then have that as a
backup truck uh mechanically we're
[44:44] putting a lot of money into parts and
labor because that is their daily driver
[44:49] um 25 years old and I can see through
the wheel well to the frame
[44:57] it's getting pretty rough I I just
wanted to bring that up because they're
[45:01] getting by very well with very little
um and I don't want them to miss their
[45:08] turn and then they can't rot a sewer
because they don't have anything to pull
[45:11] the sewer Roder
[45:15] with Chris do we have uh is there
anything scheduled for
[45:20] 21 in regards to that do you know
commissioner when
[45:25] sir uh I've been taking care of or
trying to take care of public works' uh
[45:31] equipment reserve and they are due for
one next
[45:37] year it was it
budgeted
[45:41] yes so we do have the the budget uh set
for the equipment Reserve plan for next
[45:48] year for a Wastewater truck
[45:55] yes sounds like that issue is going to
be
[45:59] resolved
correct it should be
[46:04] yes
[46:08] okay and then the
uh looking for a replacement truck for
[46:13] the uh sanitation
department
[46:19] um sounds like that's probably the
cheapest best route than having these
[46:25] trucks that keep breaking down all the
time
[46:28] uh realizing that
that's even with that said it's still
[46:31] going to be an expensive Venture not
only buying the truck but then getting
[46:35] it outfitted with the with the bed
that's on our truck that I assume is
[46:40] what they're talking about doing right
uh we're hoping to move one of our beds
[46:45] over we have a Ford that has a faulty
brake system that we keep on getting
[46:51] repaired and then warrantied on the
second repair and we have an
[46:55] international that has a faulty EGR
valve
[47:00] um due to engineering very poor
engineering and my thought was to drive
[47:07] whichever one of the two into the ground
um get every last little bit of mileage
[47:14] out of it we can and
then replace that truck with a good used
[47:20] truck sell the remnants on purple wave
and move forward
[47:28] that uh well that that sounds like a
good a good plan to me
[47:34] uh we we need a reliable backup
truck uh I I did heard something here
[47:41] lately and and I was curious about the
uh we're hauling trash to Coffee County
[47:47] and I so they're hauling trash over
there in the trash truck to to Coffee
[47:51] County is that correct
yes when I looked into the pricing and
[47:56] Coffee County was one of
them it was really my intent as if we
[48:02] went with a transfer station and haul in
bulk over there instead of a a pickup
[48:08] load at a time I I don't see how that
can be cost effective even if you break
[48:13] Mr Gwyn we don't haul a pickup load at a
time we haul a trash truck load
[48:18] um we're saving a little bit of money
not a lot um I'm working on a transfer
[48:25] station
it's going to be homemade but it we're
[48:28] going to save the engineering fee and
then I have another proposal that I
[48:31] think will actually move the trash
service forward that should be discussed
[48:36] tonight furthermore uh the guys are
doing regular maintenance on the trucks
[48:44] now and I read that that's good the
uh well I yeah I'm interested in hearing
[48:52] about the
uh transfer station that it was yeah
[48:57] really my intent to really see any cost
savings is hauling more volume of trash
[49:03] even though a trash truck still as far
as volume goes
[49:07] in a terrible lot compared to what a
semi load would be um to really see the
[49:17] savings so it's whatever works I was
just surprised if that small volume was
[49:21] being haul clear over there um
[49:28] so so at the moment uh we are currently
paying $40 a ton at our local transfer
[49:35] station here and at Coffee County I
believe we're paying $24 a ton so it's
[49:41] not half the cost uh but at a at a cost
difference of 16 $16 a ton with how much
[49:49] we're hauling per trash load over there
I mean that that we normally uh dispose
[49:54] of right around 2,000 tons a year
um that's $32,000 a year if we were to
[49:59] dump all of our trash at Coffee County
drive all that way back and forth and
[50:03] our increased costs are our labor as
well as wear and tear on the trucks um
[50:09] the trucks truly are not meant for all
the highway miles um so it is a little
[50:14] bit more wear and tear on them certainly
we're going to have increased costs
[50:18] associated with that um we're seeing
some of that this year with regard to
[50:24] because we had to go to Allen County
last year
[50:27] um but to you know in my mind I don't
think we're going to come close to an
[50:32] additional
$32,000 um even if we were to go there
[50:36] every day that was our that was our
Daily Dump uh that we wouldn't spend an
[50:40] additional 32 Grand a year uh in uh in
wear and tear vehicle maintenance and
[50:48] labor cost uh you know the the trash
utility is one that I think uh you know
[50:54] while our costs are going to go up in
terms of Maintenance they're not going
[50:58] to be we're still going to save money on
the
[51:02] $16 cost savings granted that's still
not ideal uh I'd rather either a
[51:08] transfer station or uh have cost savings
or a a different structure as Mr
[51:15] Burkhart has has proposed um as what is
in your packet I I think either one of
[51:21] those them or both of them are uh more
favorable options longterm um but for a
[51:28] short-term uh fix I do believe that this
is saving us money rather than being
[51:33] Break Even or even costing us
extra and that $40 is going to 45 is
[51:39] that correct or that's
[51:42] what's and Mr gwy I will say I am trying
everything that I have to make the trash
[51:49] service solvent um I'm looking into
getting a recycling station because
[51:53] every pound we do not put on a truck we
don't pay for
[51:57] move down here but I can't find anyone
that's willing to do it for the
[52:01] recycling value that they get moving it
up here um I considered hiring somebody
[52:06] three days a week on the trash service
versus five um there's lots of things
[52:12] we're throwing out this to
[52:17] try okay well I just wanted to touch on
a couple of those uh but uh looking to
[52:24] me anyway looking for the replacement
trucks good plan the one thing I wanted
[52:29] to touch on and Susan had requested in
her report that uh that we at least
[52:35] discussed something about the uh
Garnett's 160th celebration so I don't
[52:40] know if anybody will have any thoughts
on
[52:44] that and other uh that's all I
had commissioner Gwen on that 160th
[52:52] anniversary did she say she was going to
reach out to the committee kind of get
[52:57] some ideas first I guess that I guess
that's how I read it then maybe she
[53:01] would check with them and then maybe get
back with
[53:04] this uh what I read it says here I would
appreciate the commission's thoughts on
[53:08] a celebration of the Garnett's 160th
should we do another ball drop on 1231
[53:14] 2021 host a parade or a festival of
sorts or in some other manner recognize
[53:22] the Milestone so I think what I read she
was putting it to us what uh if we had
[53:26] any thoughts of even doing anything
or or our blessing towards
[53:34] it
okay it later it says that she's going
[53:39] to be sharing that
information so um okay I I I think we
[53:45] should do something I I don't know if I
have any Grand ideas right now
[53:50] but I can think about it and shoot them
to
[53:53] her shoot them as in an email
[54:01] yeah okay well I thought the 150th was a
was a neat deal I can't remember the the
[54:07] cost on that but the the Cris cakes or
whatever came down and anyway I thought
[54:13] it was kind of unique maybe we don't
have to go that big this time but it was
[54:17] uh just any kind of community
involvement I guess with the co thing
[54:22] might might change that Outlook a little
bit but uh
[54:28] anything to get the community involved
would be would be a great
[54:35] thing yeah it's nice to have those
opportunities to Rally around especially
[54:40] when it comes to a community event that
is celebrating the existence of the city
[54:46] so I think it'd be neat to see what
ideas you know come forward from
[54:53] it is that all you have commissioner
Gwyn that's ahe okay I think that we
[55:00] covered most of the
comments uh let me
[55:05] see oh Jody I was just going to mention
I didn't get a chance to I I think part
[55:10] of the reason too they might well would
be interested in allowing some
[55:15] Spectators as opposed to zero is just
the age group like being um if it's K
[55:20] through second grade just thinking of my
kids I probably wouldn't want I don't
[55:24] know to just leave them there and they
probably wouldn't necessarily want me to
[55:28] leave or there might be some children
who wouldn't want their parents to leave
[55:31] them so I I did see that on the little
ones and I and that was my guess um I
[55:36] know we've got little ones that come in
that are probably two and three for SLP
[55:43] services and they have to leave them the
parents have to leave them at the door
[55:46] so yeah I can it'd be greater for
everybody if if they were there but
[55:52] I I'm going to do we were allow
spectator
[55:57] oh
yeah um let me see oh I was going to ask
[56:00] Chris and I don't I don't know if you'd
be aware it said that there was a
[56:03] greater influx of kids coming in from
the high school whenever virtual
[56:07] learning is over for the day I didn't
know if there was um if everything at
[56:11] the rec center was
still going well I mean I don't know if
[56:16] this is in off hours when there isn't
office staff if there's been any
[56:20] increase and um not necessarily
vandalism but wear and tear or what
[56:25] we're see
so we uh and granted I haven't had this
[56:32] exact discussion with director burus but
uh I know that when we have talked about
[56:38] the rec center everything's going well
to my understanding um we are planning
[56:43] on having the uh the offices out there
because as you are aware director burus
[56:50] is moving his office down to the rec
center and so all that should be uh
[56:54] getting fixed up next week I believe
with regard to the flooring and um and
[57:00] so they he should be down there here uh
middle of the month I believe um on a
[57:07] more permanent basis uh the with regard
to current situation I know our staffing
[57:13] isn't quite what it was um G given you
know the covid situation and whatnot uh
[57:19] you know we don't were not open as many
hours as what we uh previously were with
[57:24] regard to just walk-ins um I think it's
mainly two to seven at the moment um but
[57:31] we haven't seen at least to my knowledge
any significant up uptick with regard to
[57:36] vandalism or um any significant negative
factors uh which is certainly a positive
[57:42] thing uh and you know I think we've seen
kind of the same thing with regard to
[57:47] you know the depot and some other areas
where we have historically had some some
[57:51] challenges uh you know this year has
been um
[57:56] somewhat unusual and that we haven't had
those challenges as what we uh as what
[58:01] we historically have had so so that's
certainly been a positive um and I'm not
[58:05] sure you know exactly how everything
fits into that if it's the you know more
[58:10] uh isolation due to covid or or what it
may be but um you know as far as
[58:15] vandalism is concerned at least that's
been a positive for us we haven't seen
[58:19] nearly as much of that this year to myh
to my
[58:22] knowledge thank you so much that's
really good to hear I also noticed that
[58:27] they were working on a grant to possibly
place an outdoor Fitness Park as this I
[58:32] know this had kind of been talked about
in the past would this be around the rec
[58:35] center where they're looking at yes so
at the moment the the game plan would be
[58:40] to try to uh build it just in the Tot
Lot south of the of the rec center and I
[58:47] know that this is a fairly significant
uh exercise fitness area um it's to the
[58:56] tune of I believe uh around
$160,000 um playground area and uh
[59:02] they've applied for a grant to try to
get some significant funding from that
[59:06] or for that as well as looking for some
um some uh areas sponsors to help try to
[59:13] to make that happen um they're going to
choose I believe five sites in the state
[59:18] of Kansas to uh to have this Fitness
area and so we're in the running at
[59:24] least to to be select for it um I know
that I believe talking to Phil there is
[59:30] only one currently open in the state in
Witchita and they're building one in
[59:34] Kansas City uh and so it' definitely be
a a positive and I think a significant
[59:39] draw to the community if we were able to
um to to bring such a fitness uh area to
[59:46] our community um at uh a significantly
reduced
[59:51] cost yeah that would be wonderful thank
you for explaining that a little bit Mar
[59:56] appreciate that um oh I just wanted to
point out too I thought it was great in
[1:00:00] the public works department report it
said that they held a an event like a
[1:00:06] barbecue morale event that didn't cost
the city anything and I just think
[1:00:10] that's wonderful that they were able to
do that for their
[1:00:14] employees I think that's all that I had
marked so we can go ahead and move on oh
[1:00:20] unless Chris did you have
anything on your last comment there that
[1:00:23] was all director burkart uh he he
decided to to put that on for his staff
[1:00:29] and so certainly appreciate him him
doing that U I know I think the guys
[1:00:34] certainly have appreciated it and are I
think it certainly is a good morale
[1:00:38] booster yeah I think it's wonderful it
sounds like there are a lot of good
[1:00:41] things and ideas coming out of the
public works
[1:00:45] department I would con I did want to
make uh one point on commissioner gwyn's
[1:00:51] comment earlier about the almost
$400,000 uh in the airport expenses for
[1:00:57] the fueling apron the vast majority of
that will be reimbursed through an FAA
[1:01:01] Grant um so uh that isn't necessarily
the whole bunch of tax dollars being
[1:01:07] expended for an airport project uh the
extreme majority of that is going to be
[1:01:12] reimbursed thankfully so okay thank you
for clarifying
[1:01:18] that oh Chris I did I forgot I had
marked this as a question based on the
[1:01:23] trash hauling trash and whatnot have you
you heard anything from the county at
[1:01:28] all and do we have a joint meeting
before the end of the year we do not uh
[1:01:32] have a joint meeting as far as uh the
county on this particular issue uh
[1:01:37] they've essentially said you guys want
to research and look into your own trans
[1:01:41] transfer station have at
it they don't think that that's an
[1:01:46] option that we are going to seriously
consider I think that it'll be too
[1:01:50] expensive for us to really want to go
down that route and it may end up being
[1:01:54] that way um but director burkart is
doing everything he can to try to put
[1:01:58] together uh a set of engineered plans
from from his own mind uh um that uh
[1:02:06] will be you know at least usable for us
and the biggest issue is just um get the
[1:02:12] state permit um and so I know he's
working with the state and that's one
[1:02:17] area where he's got a lot of experience
is working with the state um to try to
[1:02:21] make sure that that permit is is signed
off on so um I think he's got some good
[1:02:26] ideas on how he can try to make it make
it work um and we'll see if it's
[1:02:31] feasible
um the there's something else I was
[1:02:36] gonna mention but I can't remember what
it was now so oh I so just in general so
[1:02:40] there will not be any joint meetings
correct yeah uh not before the end of
[1:02:44] the year sorry so I spoke with County
Clerk wetstein and she indicated that
[1:02:50] they were hoping to have something after
the first of the year okay okay great
[1:02:54] thank you
uh November 2020 financials commissioner
[1:03:00] Cole did you have any questions I do not
commissioner
[1:03:05] Gwen I did not other than the uh let me
find it
[1:03:14] here only thing I think for December it
didn't have any income or expense here
[1:03:20] it is any income or
expense items listed for December
[1:03:27] did I include the wrong month there it
should have been November not December
[1:03:32] uh that may be that explains it because
I think well thought I found
[1:03:40] it yeah
I apologize on that uh it it should have
[1:03:45] shown November's revenue and expenses
rather than December um I that so that
[1:03:52] explains it uh but I looked at the year
to date and and everything look look
[1:03:57] fine to
[1:04:02] me
okay all right we'll go ahead and move
[1:04:06] on to informational items traffic study
for the intersection of u59 k31 Park
[1:04:14] Road
Chris uh so as you may recall here a
[1:04:19] couple years ago there was a a question
about the possibility of a left turn
[1:04:26] signal there at that intersection uh
especially on Tuesdays today it gets
[1:04:32] insanely busy with regard to the sale
going on at the sail Barn as well as um
[1:04:38] traffic for school Etc so uh there was
some some desire to see if that might be
[1:04:43] possible kot went ahead and commissioned
a traffic study on it said that well
[1:04:49] it's probably going to be a year and a
half to two years before our Engineers
[1:04:52] can get a study done so this is the
result of that study uh essentially
[1:04:56] they're saying that um there is no need
and they're not going to be willing to
[1:05:03] to allow a turn a left turn signal at
that location they have some some
[1:05:09] recommendations as you can see uh but a
left turn signal itself is not one of
[1:05:16] them yeah I noticed they had phrased it
it may be consider considered when
[1:05:20] funding becomes
available yeah
[1:05:29] okay uh commissioner Cole did you have
any questions about this study I do not
[1:05:34] commissioner
Gwyn I did not it was very extensive
[1:05:39] I'll give them that yes it
[1:05:44] was okay item
D refu utility operational changes
[1:05:52] proposal so as I'm sure sure you read
director Burkhart has came up with a um
[1:06:00] in the process of trying to make our
trash utility more solvent as you may
[1:06:04] recall we've talked for the last two
years about our utilities and the issues
[1:06:09] that we have um that Wastewater and
trash are really the two utilities that
[1:06:14] we have that are in the um that that
cause myself at least the the greatest
[1:06:20] majority of concern um given that
currently our our revenues either e
[1:06:25] don't meet don't cover costs
operationally or it's very close um and
[1:06:30] trash itself uh is the utility which is
in the mo is in the worst shape um that
[1:06:36] we're losing money every year on the
trash serice um and it's continues to
[1:06:41] bleed more and more and that's going to
be uh even worse come next year uh with
[1:06:48] regard to the counties change and cost
to us for for dumping as you're aware um
[1:06:54] in the process C of of trying to figure
out how we can make it more solvent
[1:06:58] director Burkhart has came up with a
number of ideas one of which is to go
[1:07:03] and and dump more frequently at Coffee
County which I do think will help but it
[1:07:07] is not the solution um as commissioner
Gwen referenced that's um unless we get
[1:07:13] a transfer station built that's not
realistically um going to be a long-term
[1:07:17] solution it's more of a short-term
Band-Aid um the this particular proposal
[1:07:23] as you can tell um
addresses the trash solvency issue from
[1:07:28] a different perspective more from the
from the Outlook of that you know we
[1:07:36] meter all of our other utilities with
regard to electric gas water uh and this
[1:07:40] is one utility that that we do not we
have that capability uh but we don't
[1:07:46] currently do that um and given that our
costs are are twofold one we have a
[1:07:52] fixed cost which is cost of personnel
which is cost trucks uh so on and so
[1:07:56] forth the cost of being able to actually
pick it up and then we have a variable
[1:08:00] cost which is our cost to dispose of the
trash we our current rate structure with
[1:08:06] all other utilities is based on both we
have a fixed charge the customer charge
[1:08:11] of whatever it may be for instance gas
it's $2 a month we've talked about that
[1:08:15] at length in the past that in my opinion
that rate structure needs to be modified
[1:08:19] increase the the base charge the fixed
charge decrease the usage charge um in
[1:08:24] this case they uh and that's because for
gas your fixed charg is so low if you
[1:08:31] use a lot of gas you pay a lot if you
don't use very much gas you don't pay
[1:08:34] very much at all but we charge for the
usage charge because our cost we have to
[1:08:39] purchase at wholesale we resell if you
use more gas it costs us more money
[1:08:44] trash is the same way in that we charge
a base charge of $15 a month and but
[1:08:50] then we incur cost as well for how much
trash you dispose of we have to go dump
[1:08:56] that the more trash you have the more
cost it is to us as the city we don't
[1:09:01] currently charge anybody based on how
much they use so whether it's one bag of
[1:09:06] trash or whether it's 50 bags of trash
it's the same cost for a resident and
[1:09:12] and Commercial properties in in most
cases are estimated uh and so it's a
[1:09:16] it's a challenging scenario for us
currently um in
[1:09:21] that compared to other utilities we are
consistent stantly losing money because
[1:09:26] we're not charging based on usage um and
so that's the gist of where his proposal
[1:09:32] is coming from um and uh certainly I'll
let him speak a little bit more to the
[1:09:38] to the specifics of it but you know High
L overview that's kind of that's kind of
[1:09:42] where we're
at uh I would welcome questions uh Mr
[1:09:48] Wier explain it pretty well the problem
is you can throw away $1 General sack
[1:09:53] you don't purchase trash bags
$1 General sack at the mailbox and be
[1:09:59] fine or you can throw away an entire
blocks worth of trash and be fine
[1:10:04] um what needs to happen is we go to a
method where we bill for the amount of
[1:10:09] trash you throw out um we don't have to
raise rates by any means as long as you
[1:10:14] can fit in the small
container
[1:10:18] um and additionally I have cart Tipper
proposals because we have to go to a
[1:10:23] standardized trash cart
um quite frankly I've ridden the trash
[1:10:29] truck a lot since I've been here and the
way we do it is very Antiquated just my
[1:10:35] personal
[1:10:38] opinion my question my question
is are you making a billing
[1:10:45] nightmare by you know they pull up there
to dump the trash whe they got a bag or
[1:10:50] two two bags more than they're you think
they should have uh
[1:10:56] all getting that information down and
then getting it relay to City staff and
[1:11:01] then getting that
build I mean it looks to me like an
[1:11:05] operational nightmare i' I've heard of
different outfits selling stickers and
[1:11:11] you if you have something extra you got
to have another sticker to put on it you
[1:11:16] buy the stickers
I I don't know I just wonder if it's not
[1:11:21] going to be a a a nightmare for billing
and to keep track of
[1:11:27] it Mr wi not at all if it doesn't go in
the cart we don't pick it
[1:11:33] up that's not going to do too much for
the aesthetic town if we got trash line
[1:11:38] in the streets H then you buy another
cart but but what if they just don't
[1:11:44] care that the trash is sitting out there
they let them rot on their own
[1:11:49] filth that becomes a Code Enforcement
issue at that point I think that the
[1:11:54] difference here compared to other
utilities like say gas electricity
[1:11:59] that's not something you can move
somewhere else so if you have someone
[1:12:03] who doesn't want to pay for excess
garbage you're going to find that your
[1:12:06] city dumpsters are going to be full of
people's trash or people will put their
[1:12:10] trash in front of someone else's house I
mean
[1:12:14] I I just don't know that that would work
too well I mean I know that in some
[1:12:19] cities they will allow people if they
want to purchase a cart or use one of
[1:12:24] the city carts they can pay a $2 monthly
fee or something to use it but they can
[1:12:29] still have trash outside of that cart
and it not cost them money I mean it's
[1:12:33] kind of a health and sanitation issue
too I would almost rather see that uh
[1:12:37] the sanitation department be subsidized
to a degree which I know that it is but
[1:12:43] more so than um compromising on I I
don't know charging people more based on
[1:12:49] some usage that could definitely
fluctuate
[1:12:57] Miss mayare
respectfully do you choose to use a
[1:13:01] certain amount of water in the summer
versus the
[1:13:05] winter I know that our trash definitely
varies as far as like is there a holiday
[1:13:11] so around Thanksgiving or Christmas
we're gonna have a lot more
[1:13:15] trash so would you be willing to pay
more for a larger cart knowing that you
[1:13:20] can fit everything you ever need to have
in that cart I think that I would honest
[1:13:25] prefer just to know what I'm going to be
Char I mean have a flat rate fee as
[1:13:28] opposed to um it being a variable fee
and then would you hold back some of
[1:13:35] your trash on your heavy weeks and then
put it in there on light weeks
[1:13:44] to it would really depend what's in the
trash bag I suppose but I'm not really
[1:13:48] even speaking from me because if we did
have this I would I suppose try to
[1:13:52] monitor my trash I'm saying is that
there are going to be people who are
[1:13:55] going to take their trash bags to the
city dumpsters to throw their trash away
[1:13:59] or they'll just dump it in the country
because they don't want to pay
[1:14:02] more in which case it's Anderson County
that bears the burden not
[1:14:09] us that's still our our our problem to
some extent we don't want to be a
[1:14:15] problem like that I
uh and I for one thing I I definitely
[1:14:22] appreciate the thoughts put into uh
operational changes and trying to get
[1:14:27] the the financials in a better situation
I wonder if you guys
[1:14:32] would allow me some time I I mean uh
director burkart I I'm I'm good friends
[1:14:39] with a a gentleman that owned a a large
trash company for
[1:14:44] decades I wonder if I can try to set up
a meeting and and have him uh we just
[1:14:50] sit down and talk to him I think he
could give a lot of insight to a lot of
[1:14:53] these things and and uh got years of
experience and it might be uh might save
[1:15:00] a lot of grief or or give some insight
on
[1:15:03] things and so we are uh in the process
of trying to reach out to some other
[1:15:08] utilities as well that do the same job
uh have a contact with the city of
[1:15:14] Emporia um to try and reach out to them
and and visit with their Public Works
[1:15:18] director and and their sanitation
director to visit with them about how
[1:15:22] they um they handle their operation
granted they're a lot bigger than us uh
[1:15:26] but you know their their situation is
you know they have the same challenges
[1:15:30] that we do um and my understanding you
know their uh situation is that their
[1:15:36] trash utility actually subsidizes other
departments their trash utility
[1:15:40] subsidizes the general fund um like our
electric utility do and water and and
[1:15:46] gas um because they're able to turn a
profit um through their operational uh
[1:15:51] methods same same thing with the City of
Lawrence and a lot of other places um
[1:15:55] that you know the trash utility is
solvent and it actually is a a mechanism
[1:16:00] that is a profit generator rather than a
um an entity that needs subsidized and
[1:16:06] each of these utilities at least in my
opinion needs to be self-sufficient um
[1:16:11] each utility should be run like its own
individual business and if if your
[1:16:16] business is losing money um you know we
need to make some changes operationally
[1:16:21] this business is one that is losing
money this should be a Standalone
[1:16:25] business the trash utility uh should be
able to to generate a profit on its own
[1:16:30] to be able to then reinvest into itself
uh to be able to reinvest into buying
[1:16:35] new trucks uh whatever we need to do um
to keep to keep the utility going and
[1:16:40] and at the moment we're just not there
um so but but we are you reaching out to
[1:16:45] others as well as you know director
Burkhart I think does have some some
[1:16:48] terrific ideas that uh we're obviously
exploring but um certainly if you have a
[1:16:54] contact commissioner Gwyn I I think we'd
love to to have that but it is something
[1:16:58] we are actively trying to figure out hey
what what why why reinvent the wheel you
[1:17:03] know other people are successful with
this so let's try to check their best
[1:17:07] method best methods and see if we can
Implement some of those here
[1:17:12] locally absolutely and I do appreciate
um that the work that has been put into
[1:17:18] it so far I would just um I know that it
was brought here as a proposal more for
[1:17:23] us to acquaint ourselves with the ideas
and to kind of um you know see if we can
[1:17:29] you know how receptive we are and you
know what we would like to see or what
[1:17:34] we might work on so I mean since it's
not even a regular business item yet
[1:17:38] well like I said I appreciate the
information being provided so that um
[1:17:43] the so that all the Commissioners can
basically become acquainted with what
[1:17:47] might be on the horizon so that we can
refine everything to work best for the
[1:17:51] city so thank you for all the work
that's been done there
[1:17:58] okay city manager report uh commissioner
Cole did you have any
[1:18:02] questions I don't think I have any
additional questions from the report no
[1:18:08] commissioner when do you have any
questions I did
[1:18:12] not did you have anything that you
wanted to add to your
[1:18:18] report uh ju just a few things real
quick uh would like to mention that the
[1:18:25] Maple Street project the uh drainage
project from Fourth Avenue to First
[1:18:29] Avenue hoping to have designs for that
here within the next couple weeks moving
[1:18:33] forward on that uh the water plant
project we're meeting next Monday with
[1:18:38] the engineers on that again to um to
help move forward on continue moving
[1:18:43] forward on that I would like to as has
already been been done uh thank Auburn
[1:18:49] Pharmacy and and uh its owner Mike Burns
for the airport upgrade a sign ific
[1:18:55] Improvement the uh new airport car or
airport vehicle that we have compared to
[1:18:59] our previous vehicle that we couldn't
even get started here earlier this week
[1:19:03] so certainly appreciate Auburn for for
that gracious donation um on the issue
[1:19:11] of a trash truck that director Burkhart
was discussing earlier and and
[1:19:15] commissioner Gwen you brought up um that
is something that director Burkhart and
[1:19:19] I have been um discussing he's been
working with his staff uh to try and
[1:19:24] find find some some good options on that
route and and it's something that in a
[1:19:29] lot of cases they'll find a good truck
that you know there was one here in
[1:19:33] Anderson County um that would have
worked terrific uh that would have been
[1:19:37] terrific it was a good price low mileage
good good operationally mechanically to
[1:19:42] my understanding uh but it sold awfully
quick so just wanting to make sure
[1:19:46] everybody is is uh on board with if we
find a a good truck that you know checks
[1:19:52] out mechanically and everything um for
us to go ahead and move forward on that
[1:19:56] purchase because likely we're not going
to be able to come back to you and
[1:20:01] request permission because you we wait
for the next meeting and we're going to
[1:20:05] wind up um missing out on that vehicle
um so so everybody in agreement that if
[1:20:11] if we find something that you're okay
with with going that
[1:20:14] route I definitely am okay thank you
yeah uh
[1:20:21] the I did want to mention real quick um
on the Santa Cruz on the 19th uh if you
[1:20:28] would like to to uh be present be
involved I've asked City staff to try to
[1:20:34] be there um certainly we'd like to to
recognize you as the commission if you
[1:20:38] would like uh to to be there in any
fashion um I would like to see if we
[1:20:42] could get approval from you to close Oak
Street on um on that date from around 5:
[1:20:50] to 8:00 P.M uh for that section of of
Road uh to be able to to block it off
[1:20:56] for that purpose I know that's something
that you know you're normally supportive
[1:21:00] of for those types of of events but
thought I'd seek your
[1:21:05] approval yes I'm okay with yeah I too
okay thank you all and I would also like
[1:21:12] to extend my gratitude and thanks to
both uh Chris Hicks and Susan wetstein
[1:21:18] for putting this together on such short
notice I know for Chris it was
[1:21:22] devastating that the chamber parade got
canceled
[1:21:25] um and all the work that she had put
into that was was nixed and so uh to be
[1:21:30] able to throw this together and and make
something positive happen I I certainly
[1:21:34] appreciate her efforts um so appreciate
both of you for for finding a way to to
[1:21:39] make something positive
here that's all I
[1:21:43] have thank
you citizens to be heard is there anyone
[1:21:49] who has any questions or comments that
they would like to come before the
[1:21:51] commission
[1:21:56] okay seeing none then I will go ahead
and make a motion to adjourn do I have
[1:22:01] it here a
second second I it's been moved and
[1:22:05] seconded all in favor say
I
[1:22:10] I I