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Good evening and welcome to the August 25th, 26th, 26th, regular meeting of the Guest County Board Commissioner. My name is Chair Brown. Our service chairman of the board, as well as the Commissioner for the Riverbent Township. I would like to welcome our viewers and thanks Spectrum Cable and AT&T for making it possible for our citizens. For our television and live stream audience, I would like to present our Guest and County Commissioners been getting on my far right. Good evening, Scott Sheehan, Guestown, your township.

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Good evening, Kathy Conegur, Dallas Township.

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Bob Hobus, Crowder's Mountain Township.

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Good evening, Tom Kigger, Gastonia Township.

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At this time, I will have the invocation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

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The invocation will be given by Commissioner Hobus,

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and the Pledge of Allegiance is given by Commissioner Sheehan.

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If you please stand.

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Please bow with me.

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Gracious Father, we're here tonight to take care of the businesses of the county.

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Give us your graceful knowledge, understanding, and wisdom.

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and help us to continue to provide a safe, thriving community for all of our citizens.

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Help us to be leaders in our community, help us make the right decisions, and we ask

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that in your name.

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I'm here.

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The United States of America.

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And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, individual with a liberty

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and justice for all.

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First item on the agenda tonight is public hearings.

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Commission will now take citizens comments for three public hearings.

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Comments will be taken on the following issue.

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Zoning map change, R-E-Z-246.

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Conditional district, R-E-Z-249.

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EDC incentive grant for Project Alliance Gastonia 85.

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EDC incentive grant for Project Atlas.

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Access permission to apply for the NCDOT,

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the PTD FY-28 Community Transportation Grant Program.

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Before we begin, let me outline the rules and procedures of the hearing.

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Citizens wishing to make comment will be recognized by the Chair, then requested a step to the microphone for their comments.

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Citizens will state their name and address for the record.

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Comments will be limited to three minutes.

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All questions shall be directed to the Chair for response.

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The Chair shall rule on all points during the hearing.

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Do I hear a motion to go into public hearing?

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Motion made by Commissioner Kieger, seconded by Commissioner Hovis, all in favor.

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We are now in public hearing.

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The County Commission will now take citizens' comments on public hearing.

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The zoning map change, R-E-Z-246, Ronald Dean Prope, the applicant.

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Mr. Jamie Leezy, Platter 2, Billing and Development Services will provide a brief overview.

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Once she has completed her comments, citizens' comments will be taken.

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Mrs. Leezy.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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REZ26-066-00246 is a general rezoning request for parcel ID 166-838 located at 107 Props

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Road in Dallas.

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The applicant, Ronald Props, is requesting to rezone the entire one-acre parcel from the

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R1 single-family limited zoning district to the R2 single-family moderate zoning district.

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The property is located south of High Shoals.

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The ortho map shows that this is a residential area with a mix of housing types.

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The zoning in the area is R1, but there are a number of existing manufactured homes in

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the vicinity.

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As for the environmental features, the site slopes 20 feet from the roadway to the rear

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corner of the parcel, and there is no flood designation on the property.

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This is a map of the neighboring properties who received a mail notice.

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These are the addresses of the homeowners who received the mail notice.

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We have received three calls from citizens inquiring about the rezoning.

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Two citizens did not share concerns, and one caller shared concerns about property values

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and possible rental of the property in the future.

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The property will be served by a private well and septic system and accessed by NCDOT maintained

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roadway. Guasting County TRC reviewed this project on Wednesday, February 18th, and provided

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the following comments. EMS, Natural Resources, Building Services had no comment. Environmental

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health department indicated that the application, if the application is approved, the applicant

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will be required to be applied for an existing system approval.

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GCLMPO stated there are no

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funded transportation improvements in the vicinity.

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The subject parcel is located in area 2 north 321 Gaston small area plan. Key issues for

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citizens in this area include preservation.

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Board of Agriculture, and maintaining the rural feel of the community. The future land use designation is rural. These areas are largely residential homes, located on large lots and set back from the roads they front-of-home. The application, as presented aligns with the Comprehensive Land Use Plan. The planning and zoning board heard this request at its August 3rd meeting and recommended approval by a seven-to-zero vote. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my presentation. I'm here to answer any questions. You are the board may have and the applicant is here today, too.

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Thank you, ma'am. Are the any comments on the app at this time?

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Thank you. Yeah, I was just gonna say I would I'm having this reason so that I can put a double-wide on it

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I have a son who's probably gonna live there

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But if not, you know, we're gonna live there and build another house on one of the other three acres

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That those properties have been in my family for you know over 50 years and my daddy just

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Turn them over to me

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So I'd like to do a little something with them before that he can see that I'm using them.

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You just have a seat, Mr. Proctor.

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Any citizen wishing to comment on this matter this time?

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Seeing none, any questions from the Board of Commissioners?

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Seeing none in the well, there are no additional comments.

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I will now declare the public hearing close.

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Just to recap, the Planning and Zoning Board recommended approval by a seven to zero vote,

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finding it reasonable to the public interest and interest consistent with the goals of the

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comp plan and as keep with the parcel residential and nature and

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advisement of envision by the rural future land use designation.

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Rural areas and residential homes located on large lots and

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set back from the roads upon front from the front.

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The proposed use district would also allow the preservation of

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existing conditions in the area.

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They're here in motion to approve as given from the modifications given.

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second.

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Second.

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Motion made by Commissioner Hova.

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Second.

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And by Commissioner Keeger.

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Any questions?

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All in favor?

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Is unanimous.

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Madam Clerk.

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The next item of the Gas County Commission will now take

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Citizens' comments on public hearing.

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Conditional district, R-E-Z, DAX249.

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Tyler Carpenter is the applicant.

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Miss Peyton Wiggins, Land Development Manager.

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Building and Development Services will provide a brief overview.

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Once she has completed her comments, Citizens' comments will be taken.

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Mrs. Wiggins.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman, REZ-26-0529-00249 is a conditional rezoning request from Tyler Carpenter for PID-157-438, or 821-Lanter's Chapel Road in Lincolnton.

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The applicant is looking to rezone the entire 19.23-acre parcel from the R1 single-family limited zoning district and CD-R3 single-family general conditional district to the C1 light commercial conditional district.

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The property owner is Wade and Diane Carpenter.

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The subject parcel is in the northwestern portion of the county, right at the Gaston Lincoln County line.

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And the ortho photo outlines the entire parcel in blue.

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However, this is a more accurate depiction of the property today.

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There's a fire suppression pond onsite to the north of the building as well.

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Per no flood hazard area is located on the property, as shown on the environmental features map.

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and the areas surrounding the existing building is relatively flat while the remainder of the property slopes downward toward the north and east property lines.

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The current parcel is split zoned R1 in a portion of a conditional district.

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This was approved through the conditional rezoning process in 2021 to allow the existing machine, metal, and welding shop.

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With this request tonight, the applicant is proposing to expand both the site and the conditional district to accommodate for future growth of the existing business.

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surrounding zoning districts include R1, R2, and R3.

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This slide shows those who are noticed for tonight's public hearings, staff mailed the notices on August 10th and

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assignments placed on site the same day.

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We've not received any calls or emails about this request.

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And then this is the information for those that were notified.

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Like with any conditional rezoning request, here's the associated site plan.

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The site plan includes the existing building and parking areas as well as a conceptual location for future buildings.

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It shows a type A buffer around the property utilizing existing vegetation where possible and supplemental

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planings were needed.

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Also, as shown on the site plan, the site plan meets all the required steps.

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We also reviewed the supplemental regulations for the machine woodworking and welding shop use. Section 8.3.6 outlines these regulations and in this case, no regulations apply within the other underlying zoning district and therefore the applicant.

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in compliance.

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In addition, section 10.5 outlines the parking requirements for this use

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and the site plan presented provides 15 spaces which is the number of spaces required.

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General ordinance sections that we looked at during this review included the definition for

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the proposed use and the underlying zoning district definition for the proposed C1 district.

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And we also reviewed the conditional district definition and the table of uses section

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and 7.5, which confirmed this is a permitted use in the C1 zoning district.

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This proposal includes two requested areas of relief.

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Chapter 10 required all off-street parking areas to be paved.

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However, the applicant is proposing to continue the previously approved gravel parking from the original conditional district approval

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throughout the site and for all existing and future parking areas in lieu of the paved parking required by the UDM.

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The other area of relief includes buffer requirements outlined in Chapter 11.

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The ordinance requires a minimum type D buffer when a commercial district abuts a lot

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in a residential district, and the applicant is proposing to continue the type A buffer

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that was also previously approved as part of the original conditional zoning.

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The buffer shown along all three property lines and is intended to utilize existing vegetation

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were available with supplemental plantings provided were necessary to meet the buffer requirements

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and this has been incorporated as a condition of approval.

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The site is currently served by

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a private well and septic system and Landers Chapel Road is an NCDOT owned and maintained roadway.

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We took this request before the Gaston County TRC on July 2 and received no comments from

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environmental help at this time. Natural resources stated that any future grading or development may

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They require a sedimentation and erosion control permit depending on the extent of land disturbance.

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As the property is located within the WS-4 watershed, any required watershed protection permit

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shall also be obtained and all of this would be submitted at the time of permitting.

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The GCL MPO reviewed this request and provided there are no transportation improvement projects

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in the immediate vicinity of the site.

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As for public input, this case was added to the planning and zoning current cases page on

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the EngageGaston.com. As of this afternoon, there have been no questions or concerns posted on the

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website.

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The Planning and Zoning Board heard this requested its August 3rd meeting and recommended

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approval with a five to two vote. The motion included the approval with the modifications of the

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construction of any future building shown on the site plan shall require a type D buffer along the

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northern, western, and southern property lines. And the second area requested,

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excuse me, the

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a type D buffer should be required in accordance with the approved conditions.

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The planning and zoning board recommended the type D buffer rather than the applicant

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requested type A buffer because the type D buffer is required by the ordinance for development

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in this zoning district.

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For the proposed conditions of approval, I just want to briefly distinguish between the

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original proposal, which is in Y and the planning and zoning board's recommendation, which

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is in yellow.

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As originally proposed, existing vegetation could count toward the required buffer with

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supplemental plantings added as needed, and the applicant has also requested a type A buffer.

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And the remaining condition states that the future building shown are conceptual and

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must meet applicable UDO requirements at the time of permitting.

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The planning and zoning board added the requirement that a type D buffer along those property lines should be installed at the time of construction for any future building.

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The applicant can speak more to this during his presentation, but I just wanted to clarify he's requesting to move forward with the conditions as originally proposed rather than the modifications recommended by the Planning and Zoning Board.

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The Comprehensive Lane Use Plan identifies this parcel with an area one rural gas and northwest gas and small area plan, and the comp plan identifies this property under the rural future lane use designation.

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And this designation exemplifies Gaston County and its existing natural resources that exist throughout the jurisdiction, is understood that this is the default use designation for the county.

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Staff finds this application as presented consistent with the goals and role of future language designation as it would serve neighborhood.

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So at that, I ask that you receive the staff report and presentation, the recommendation from the Planning and Zoning Board, and then render a decision on the matter. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my presentation. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you, ma'am. Any comments from the applicant at this time?

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My name is Tyler Corpner. I'm the owner of Taka Industries. We've just been growing so fast here lately. It's mainly to allow future growth. Throughout the rest of the parcel, instead of cramming up over

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from one side, where is currently zone for that?

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Any questions?

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Mr. Carpenter, if you just have a seat, you're up there,

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and we'll come back to you.

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The any citizens wishing to comment on this matter this time?

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Yes, ma'am?

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Petition?

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So we'll go to the second by the members, all in favor?

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The unanimous?

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Kelly Pellington, I live at three, zero, zero, six,

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Gaston, Webb's Chapel.

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I live next to the facility that he's building.

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to local planning and zoning officials, city community commissioners, environmental officials,

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and other appropriate authorities, proposed additional building expansion of TICA industries.

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We are, we, the undersigned residents and concerned members of the community, respectfully petitioned

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the appropriate local officials to deny, reconsider, relocate, or place strict conditions on the

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proposed construction of the additional building of Tykl Industries near existing residential

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homes.

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Living there, we have heard disruptive noise from the industrial machinery and operations.

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We are also concerned about the chemicals, substances, fuels, solvents, waste products, and

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other potential harmful materials that may be used stored, transported, or disposed of as part of TICA industry's operations.

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We are concerned about the potential impact of septic systems, waste water, industrial waste water, drainage runoff and

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other waste disposal systems associated with the proposed building.

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We ask that the officials thoroughly evaluate where waste water and

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septic drainage will go and whether it could be affecting neighborhood homes, yards,

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wells, groundwater, streams, drainage areas, and other properties.

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If Tyca Industries is permitted to expand, we strongly request that any new building be located

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as far away from existing homes as reasonably possible.

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We ask that officials consider increased setbacks and adequate separations between the industrial buildings and residential properties as I've heard that they proposed.

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We are asking, let's see, carefully review the proposed expansion of the type of interest trees before granting approval.

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Conduct and or require a professional noise impact assessment sound study.

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Determine what chemicals hazardous materials, fuels,

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solvents, and other substances will be used, stored, and

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disposed of on the facility.

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Require appropriate safeguards to protect resident soil,

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groundwater, air quality, and surrounding properties.

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Conduct a thorough review of all septic, wastewater, and

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drainage and runoff plans associated with proposed building.

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Require appropriate environmental and engineering studies before construction is approved.

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Consider increased setbacks between the proposed industry building and existing homes.

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Require the building to be relocated further away from our residential properties wherever reasonably possible.

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Deny or postpone approval if the proposed expansion cannot adequately protect surrounding

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and residents and properties.

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Man, if you could just wrap it up, please.

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Okay, I just have the signatures on the back.

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Thank you, thank you.

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Any other assistance wish to make comment at this time?

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Seeing none, any questions to the Board of Commissioners?

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Mr. Sheethand.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Can you tell me this type of industry, what kind of product

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material, do you manufacture, use, what kind of potential waste is there from that product?

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It's just Al Corbin.

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I'm still going to be just welding laser cutting. The only real chemical we use is it's called anti-spattery spray on the metal to keep weld spatter down. Has it been any kind of environmental study on the contaminants in the ground or anything like that? Not that I'm aware of. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Any other comments? I want to add I've been out for this many times to the facility. We also asked you to jump to a lot of hoops the last time.

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when you came through an example, real and everything that had happened out there.

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I know we asked for the retaining pond and you did a lot of different things for the fire suppression.

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And I'm going to support this measure just for the simple fact.

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I know you've done it before.

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Look forward to seeing what you can bring to this as well.

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Any other comments in the board of commission?

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Seeing none, if there are no additional comments, I would declare this public hearing closed.

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Just to recap, the planning and zoning board recommended as a five to two vote finding

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is reasonable to the public interest that can assist it with the goals of the comprehensive

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land use program plan.

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As it will increase job opportunities to steer development toward existing infrastructure

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and vision by the area one rural gas and small area plan.

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Do I hear a motion to approve as given from the board?

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Motion made by Commissioner Hova, seconded by Commissioner Bailey, all in favor, all opposed,

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the unanimous Madam Clerk.

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The

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next item in the gas and county commission will take citizens comments on public hearing to approve county level 4 incentive grant for

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To authorize the gas and county to enter into an economic development agreement with project alliance gas stonia 85 mr

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Donny Hicks executive director of the EDC will provide a brief overview once he has completed his comments

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Citizens comments will be taken mr

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Hicks and mr

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Chairman

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For the last 18 months or so, I've been working to try to identify sites that have been bypassed

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for some reason.

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There's some issue with the site that has made it tough for someone else to buy and

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or develop.

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I've been doing that because it requires less money from us, and it frees up sites that

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generally already have infrastructure, but we just can't for some reason get access to

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the site.

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So I'm working on an infill site in Belmont, one in Lowell, also one in Ranlo, trying to get

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those sites developed.

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And again, requiring very little to know where for structure two of them.

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So we have a sign in Gastonio that's been there since the interstate was built.

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So there's some more than 60 years ago.

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And the markets had to mature long enough for someone to be interested in the site.

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So conditions there are less than ideal.

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And this can be substantially more expensive than your average site to develop.

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So we were trying to encourage a developer to go and build five buildings that would

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tunnel about 800,000 square feet.

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We're going to build smaller buildings because the higher if you will not support

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a single building or two buildings of 400,000 square feet.

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And what we'd like to do and propose to the Board of Commissioners is we do the same thing

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that we did with North Point at Gateway 85, which we next it's 21 and 22, is go in and

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offer them a level four for the entire property to encourage them to develop it.

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First we have to get someone to buy it, which we do have someone that has an under option,

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part of it they own, and then we have a developer that is trying to raise the equity to come back

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and do the project.

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Under this proposal, they will get a level 4 grant for the entire build-out instead of trying to incentivize each one,

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we would have to encourage them to get to the level 4 number, or they'll work with Mr. Goldberg to put something

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that the level 4 burns off and it's only applicable to what you're eligible for.

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But this is what we did at Gateway 85 and on a smaller scale, Gateway 85, full build-outs, 4 million square feet.

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This would be about 800,000.

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So the days of 21 to 23 when people would build every square inch they could possibly build

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and then more about leasing it later or over.

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And it's much tougher to raise equity for the developers, and they're much more cautious.

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And so this would free up a site that's only been sitting there for 60 years.

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And with no one in the building's current valuation of the buildings create about $80 million worth of investment.

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And then jobs and additional investment is that occurs.

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I'd be glad to answer any questions you may have.

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Any citizen wishing to comment on this at this time?

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Any questions from the Board of Commissioners?

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If there are no additional comments, I would declare the public hearing closed.

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Thank you.

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Is there a motion to prove?

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Motion made by Commissioner Hova, seconded by Commissioner Kieger.

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All in favor, Mr. unanimous Madam Clerk.

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The Commission will now take citizens' comments on public hearing to approve

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of Gaston County 2, level 2 incentive grant for the authorization of Gaston County to enter into an economic development agreement with Project Atlas.

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Mr. Donnie Hicks, executive director of EDC, will provide a brief overview.

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Once he has completed his comments, citizens comments will be taken. Mr. Hicks.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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This is a project that was-

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It's brought to us by the State of North Carolina, and the company makes, designs, makes, and distributes products that help advance manufacturers operate their facility. So you have motion control systems. The company intends to create 95 new jobs in the next five years, with an average salary of $79,000 a year. So our average salary for incentive purposes is 56. So we're almost getting one and a half times the income that we would normally receive on an average paid job for each one of the ones that we're having.

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They intend to invest about $21 million in upfit to the building and machinery and equipment in this place.

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This would be their first U.S. facility and there is competition for it, but we're down to, we think the last two sites, us in another state were the only site in North Carolina, and we think we have a decent shot at it.

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The thing about this would help us advance a lot of the things that we're interested in, advance manufacturing, there's some software engineering to it, there's a lot of application engineers that would be there.

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So it really helps us take advantage of all the advance manufacturing that goes on in the region

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Because these people would supply a lot of the items that they need to run all the machinery

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I'd be glad to answer your questions you have

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Citizens wishing to comment on this matter this time

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Seeing none any questions in the Board of Commission

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If there are no additional comments, I would declare the public hearing closed. Thank you for is there a motion to approve?

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Motion may buck and Mr. Sheehan second the buck and Mr. Bailey all in favor

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is unanimous.

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Thank you.

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Please one second.

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I want to let you know something.

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While we're in public hearing as well.

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One of the finest economic development people I've ever met in my life.

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Being around you for the time that I have, I'm proud that you work for Gaston County.

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I will tell anybody that and anybody who wants to listen.

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You're a great man and you know what you're doing.

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You've brought more economic development to this county.

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Then we can ever deserve of what's going on here.

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And I want to say I appreciate you for being a part of it.

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And we can do anything on this board.

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You please let us know.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Thank you.

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County Commission will now take citizens comments on public hearing.

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A question permission to apply for the NCDOT, PTD, FY28 Community Transportation Program,

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F311 grant to provide rural transportation services entered into agreement with the

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North Carolina DOT and provide a necessary assurances and required local match.

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Mr. Juan, a little John, supportive services administrator will provide a brief overview

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If you want, she is going to appear to her comment.

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Citizens Congress will be taking this little job.

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Thank you, Chairman Brown.

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I'm here to present the FY28 community transportation program grant.

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This is a state and federal leaf funded program administered through the North Carolina Department

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of Transportation, Integrated Mobility Division.

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The goal of this program is to support public transportation services in rural North Carolina

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by promoting a more coordinated and effective transportation system.

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It helps ensure that residents have reliable access to essential services, including health

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clear employment, education, shopping, and other public services.

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The program also emphasizes the effective use of transportation funding by coordinating

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available programs and resources to better meet the needs of the communities they serve.

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As a part of this administrative grant, we are requesting a total of $242,319 with a

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15% local manage of $36,349.

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These funds will help cover the salaries and fringe benefits of the support services administrator,

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the accounting technician too, and the bill and specialist.

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It will also support training, travel, and the cost of our scheduling software.

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And that concludes the.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Any citizens wishing to comment on this matter this time?

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Seeing none, any questions from the Board of Commissioners.

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Mr. Bailey.

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I'll walk back about phasing out access.

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Where are we at at that point?

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So we made adjustments and reduced the cost there by over 25% in this year.

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That would obviously be something that would have to be a board decision internally.

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We made adjustments and cut costs where we could there, as well as obviously all of our

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other departments.

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But if that was something that board desired to take up and discuss, then we'd have to

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further conversation.

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Okay.

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Mr. Keeger.

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What term in relation to how many years down the road will this grant cover these employees?

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This grant is something I've been with access since 2007 and we get the grant each year.

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Now the amount of funding that we get each year will vary, but we get the grant each year.

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So there's no plan to increase the number of employees, just continue with the ones we

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have.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Plotter.

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How many does this serve as far as service rides that in providing the transportation? You

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want to know how many trips? Yes. So FY26, we provided a total of 27,209 trips and the average

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cost of the trips was $10.92. Thank you. Mr. Bailey? Yes. How many of those are actually

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We're in Gastonia's city.

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I would have to get that information because this is collective.

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We do break it down each month by the cities.

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So if you would like the information, I can send it out, but I didn't bring it here too long.

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Would you say the majority are in townships or in the county?

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It's more so in the rural area.

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I think the other transit system services a lot of the gas zone your trips.

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Okay.

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All right, and you had mentioned something about the majority of the money was going to administrative?

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Yes, so this grant so this grant can cover operating or administrative calls it has been the history of this department to use all the funding for

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The administrative staff

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And then we also get the rope grant that covers the

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operational calls

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Most of this doesn't support the vehicles and the drivers

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this actually. No, this is just for the administrative staff. Okay, all right.

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Mr. Havas, thank you, Mr. Chair. From the numbers that I remember from the past,

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this little John, it appeared that somewhere greater than 75% of your trips were outside of

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municipalities. Access provides transportation to our most impacted and since we have no other

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formal transportation mode in Gaston County for those, it really does service a

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portion of our citizenry that would go un-served without it. Just for the public's

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knowledge. Thank you. Thank you. I just want to ask the question, is this not one of

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these we have dedicated for veterans, correct?

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So that's a separate one. Okay, but it's

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in the same access fee.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Any other questions from the Board of Commission?

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Seeing none, I'll sit there in no additional comments.

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I will now declare the public hearing closed.

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Thank you.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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Motion made by Commissioner Hova.

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Seconded by Commissioner Sheahan.

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All in favor?

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All opposed?

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It is five, six, one, five, one, Madam Clerk.

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Thank you.

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This concludes the nice public hearing.

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The approval of the business agenda

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or any revisions to the business agenda or any items that need to be pulled.

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Mr. Sheehan.

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Mr. Chair, I need to pull item A.A.

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Please.

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All right.

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A.A.

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Any other revisions to the agenda?

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They're here in motion to approve the business agenda with items A.A. being pulled from the consent agenda.

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Motion made by Commissioner Hoba, seconded by Commissioner Keeger.

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All in favor?

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Is unanimous, Madam Clerk.

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Approval of the minutes, you're provided draft minutes for the special meeting of July 14, 2026.

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Regular meeting of July 28, 2026, or any revisions do I hear a motion to approve the minutes as presented?

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Motion made by Commissioner Sheehan, seconded by Commissioner Hovas, any discussion?

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All in favor?

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Get your unanimous and Madam Clerk.

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Our

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next item on the agenda is Citizens Recognition.

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A portion of the board's agenda is set aside for the purpose of allowing citizens the opportunity to offer comments and suggestions.

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The comment period is not intended to require the commission or staff to answer any questions or provide a response.

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Questions requiring a response shall be answered as soon as possible through the county manager's office.

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Tonight, citizens recognition will be limited to three minutes.

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This is a call your name. Please step to the podium.

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State your name. If you have any questions, or if you are a gas and can a citizen, please let us know.

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The first citizen to speak is Ann Dawes-Hans.

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00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:43,730
Ann Dawes-Hans, South Point Township, and this will be brief. I just want to thank all of you, but especially Commissioner Kleiniger,

451
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for being willing to change the rules that required people to state our home address on camera.

452
00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:54,590
I totally get by that made sense back in the day when we were to speaking to the people in the room,

453
00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:59,890
But now that we've moved into an era of YouTube and social media sharing and doc

454
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I think it had become potentially a deterrent to public participation, so I appreciate the respect for the democratic process that you all are showing. There is one more thing that probably made sense at the time and is no longer appropriate for the 21st century, and that is, of course, the monument out front here. But I do understand that that is a much more complicated challenge, and one that's likely to require state action, as well as a lot of resolve on the part of the local community to do the right things.

455
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:34,700
So for tonight, I am just sticking with saying thank you next up person is Josh Brown

456
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,800
Joshua Brown. I am a Gaston County citizen

457
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Mr. Chairman and fellow

458
00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:54,700
missioners. Thank you. Hope you had a good summer

459
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:57,440
Just want to talk about Gaston County fire service

460
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,200
We all went through the contract. It's good for five years

461
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:08,060
But where we're at now is we continue to need to look at this contract and continue to work towards forward progress with what that entails

462
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:11,920
Some of the things that it covers is talking about the rural zoning and required staffing

463
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,540
that is needed.

464
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,680
It's since y'all back in a couple months ago, the ISO requirements, some of the things

465
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,560
that were broke down and the two big things were water and people.

466
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,260
Over the summer, we've had some pretty significant incidents that have occurred in this county

467
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:28,080
that have required a lot of manpower that we did not have.

468
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:33,540
July 5th, two alarm commercial fire in the city of Gastonia, while city resources were

469
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:39,000
tied up who backfield the city of Gastonia and covered a response to another

470
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working structure fire the contract fire departments as well as a couple

471
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:46,760
municipalities that staff those and during that time those other municipalities

472
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:52,200
were left without staffing July 5th like I talked about while that incident was

473
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,780
going on Dallas fire department was first arriving to a fire off Shannon Bradley

474
00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:02,480
which was a working commercial fire as well with that manpower was imperative for

475
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,640
that one. July 21st, Petality House Fire and Acts Interest District, right at shift

476
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,800
change. From the time the fire truck arrived to the time the victim was removed out of

477
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,960
the front door was four minutes. A nice and wide study that has been done that is tracking

478
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,780
victim rescues is showing that within five minutes of an arriving fire truck on the scene and

479
00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:27,460
conducting a search, the victim is removed with adequate personnel. The only reason that

480
00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:31,440
person was removed in that time frame is because it was right at shift change and they

481
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,080
had four people on the truck. They were able to get off. What did that entail?

482
00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:39,700
One operator pumping the truck, one deploying the line, two going in to find the victim

483
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:43,800
that the neighbors were telling that he was in their unresponsive and they removed

484
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,300
him within four minutes. Obviously he did succumb, they did succumb to the injuries

485
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:52,000
of the fire, but we can't sit here and just say that that's going to be the situation

486
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000
for everyone, because we don't know. We are the people that are trained for that,

487
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:59,340
and we are doing everything in our right and our possibility to give every person

488
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and inside a house fire, that possibility and chance to live.

489
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,820
Manpower is imperative for the fire service.

490
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,920
August 8th, two alarm structures are fire and trying to auto.

491
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:12,480
Required a lot of manpower, a large 3,000 plus square foot house that was burning,

492
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:17,480
rural all set, a lot of manpower was needed for the water supply, but also the fire fight that was going on.

493
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:23,040
As they were wrapping up with that operation, another two alarm structure fire occurred in Ag Sinner's Fire District

494
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,600
that required assistance from Gastonium Municipality and other further out departments who respond to with that.

495
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:35,020
They are arriving units had to wait additional time just because of the time it was for those units traveling of that those time period.

496
00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:39,300
Some things that we've also worked on is we've worked with Mr. Lanfier and Jim's

497
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We kind of streamed blind some of our EMS response trying to get a fire truck that is staff now to high priority medical calls

498
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:51,100
Not all of them that don't require tying up a million dollar piece of apparatus, but the ones that can count and make a difference

499
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:56,480
So we need to look at this contract and continue making forward progress to protect these citizens. Thank you

500
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:17,180
Good evening, my name is Cassie Siler. I'm a resident of Gaston County. What does underfunding look like in our public school system? I can tell you what it looks like at my school.

501
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:27,860
Belmont Central serves approximately 730 students and grades second through fifth. The impact of funding shortages is not just a number on a budget document.

502
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,760
It is something that our students and staff experience every single day.

503
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,580
It looks like the loss of several beloved teachers and programs that our students have counted on.

504
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:40,320
It looks like no longer having a music program.

505
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,320
Can you imagine kids 7 to 11 going to school and not having music?

506
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:50,540
One of our most chair, Shirley traditions, our music program will not happen this year.

507
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:53,060
That is more than losing a class.

508
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:59,580
We are losing an experience that brings our community together and allows our students to create, perform,

509
00:39:59,580 --> 00:39:59,720
Warm.

510
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,980
And help celebrate their accomplishments. It looks like one from two guidance counselors to one. One is now responsible for over 700 students. Can we expect that one person to provide the social emotional support, crisis intervention, classroom lessons, and student check-ins with our kids? It looks like class sizes that are approaching 30 or more in our fifth grade. With fourth grade sizes, continuing to rise. We are expected to provide individual

511
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instruction and meet unique needs of every student. We want to do that, but it's

512
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not feasible when our numbers continue to rise. And then there's our building. Our

513
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school was built in the 1970s. As the building ages, preventative measures need

514
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:52,840
to be taken. Repairs are important. Would you enjoy going to work in a room where

515
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,100
the temperature is in the 80s or higher because the air is not working? Would

516
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Do you find that acceptable for your day?

517
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,180
It shouldn't be acceptable for our kids, and it should not be acceptable for the staff.

518
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:08,920
Teachers should be able to focus on teaching, students should be able to focus on learning.

519
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,780
Neither should have to spend their school day trying to work through the heat,

520
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:15,880
crowded classrooms, and the loss of staff.

521
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,760
That's what underfunding looks like in our classrooms right now.

522
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,280
The consequences are far beyond the walls of one school.

523
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,200
This is all over the county and there are different stories at every school.

524
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,700
Thank you.

525
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,460
Ms. Brittney-Okan?

526
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:43,090
Brittney-Okan?

527
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:46,310
And I'm not talking about schools tonight, so I'm glad that somebody did.

528
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:51,610
Many people don't have the time or the interest to dig into tax values until they get a bill

529
00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:52,690
that they cannot afford.

530
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:57,430
I'm here tonight to urge the commissioners and the public to start asking questions now.

531
00:41:57,430 --> 00:42:03,630
In early 2024, Gaston County purchased 803 North Oakland Street for $7.5 million.

532
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:12,730
Less than a year earlier, during the 2023 reevaluation, the county valued those properties at approximately $2.8 million.

533
00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:15,770
That's a $4.7 million difference.

534
00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:21,370
Commissioner Klonerger questioned the price at the time and voted against the purchase.

535
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She was the only no vote.

536
00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:29,450
The county frames it as if they used an appraisal of $7.5 million to decide on the purchase,

537
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:31,410
but that timeline doesn't work.

538
00:42:32,090 --> 00:42:38,450
The county provided a purchase contract publicly that was dated January 3rd, 2024, but there

539
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:42,370
was a contract before that, dated October 30th, 2023.

540
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:49,110
The appraisal was not effective until December 28th, and that appraisal says the property was

541
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:51,790
already pending sale for $7.5 million.

542
00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:59,250
So my question is, how did the county decide to pay $7.5 million before it had the appraisal

543
00:42:59,250 --> 00:43:01,630
that is now being used to justify that price?

544
00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:05,370
But there's another question that should have been asked then.

545
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:12,350
If this property was worth $7.5 million, why had Gaston County just valued it at $2.8 million?

546
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:18,530
And the appraisers even wrote that the property was assessed very low in comparison to market

547
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:18,950
value.

548
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:25,210
A $4.7 million discrepancy should have set off some alarm bells.

549
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:28,450
It should have caused someone to question the purchase price.

550
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:33,110
And it should have caused someone to question the schedule of values that produced that

551
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:34,050
original assessment.

552
00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:35,970
It apparently did neither.

553
00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:41,110
And now we know that there was a problem with the commercial and industrial schedule of values

554
00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:43,790
used in the 2023 revaluation.

555
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:48,210
This board had the schedule and values in front of you in 2022.

556
00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:55,190
It was placed on the Consent Agenda, nobody pulled it, nobody publicly questioned it,

557
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:56,390
and you approved it.

558
00:43:56,830 --> 00:43:58,770
Tonight, you're going to get another one.

559
00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:00,810
Please do not make the same mistake.

560
00:44:01,630 --> 00:44:08,530
Ask what changed, why it changed, how it was tested, how the new values compare with actual

561
00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:09,450
commercial sales.

562
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:14,230
Does it avoid creating an unfair tax burden for residential property owners?

563
00:44:15,010 --> 00:44:19,830
And if you don't understand the answers, say that and keep asking.

564
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:22,850
I don't expect every commissioner to be an appraiser.

565
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:28,130
But I do expect our elected officials to recognize when numbers don't make sense.

566
00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:35,370
You didn't need to be an appraiser to see a $4.7 million discrepancy and ask why.

567
00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:39,370
And the public shouldn't have to discover these warning signs years later.

568
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:44,610
So this time ask the questions while they're still Tom to do something about it.

569
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:58,530
My name is Smith at the Easter's and yes I'm a gas and county resident.

570
00:44:59,130 --> 00:44:59,870
Good evening.

571
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,620
Today, I want to talk about representation. We elect you to make difficult decisions. We understand that you will not always make the decisions that every person in this room walks. But representative government requires more than casting a vote. It requires listening. It requires explaining your decisions, transparency, even when transparency is uncomfortable. And it requires remembering that disagreement from citizens is not disrespect. It is participation in the government that you are elected to serve.

572
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:36,880
For months, parents, educators, school employees, and community members have asked this board to prioritize public education.

573
00:45:37,420 --> 00:45:43,120
We've written emails, we've attended meetings, we've spoken here, we've asked questions, and we've tried to understand.

574
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:46,400
And too often it has felt like we weren't being heard.

575
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:49,180
That is where trust begins to disappear.

576
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:54,040
You don't build public trust by simply telling citizens that you've made the right decision.

577
00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:56,900
You show it, you build it by showing your work.

578
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:02,120
You build it by answering difficult questions and making information accessible before decisions are made,

579
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,780
not after residents have to dig for themselves.

580
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,760
Education is one of the clearest examples.

581
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:11,500
Public schools aren't simply an expense on a spreadsheet.

582
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,020
They are part of the infrastructure of this county.

583
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:17,580
Businesses look at our schools, families look at our schools,

584
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:22,340
and most importantly, thousands of children who had absolutely no say in the decisions

585
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:26,600
being made in this room, depend on them every single day.

586
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:31,240
These are gas and county's children, and they're represented by you too.

587
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Public office does not belong to the person occupying the seat.

588
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,100
It belongs to the public.

589
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,340
These seats are temporarily entrusted to you by the citizens of gas and county.

590
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Citizens should not have to fight for information.

591
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Parents should not have to repeatedly beg their county government to recognize education

592
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,400
as an investment. And residents asking difficult questions should not be treated as adversaries,

593
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,980
we are your constituents. Some voted for you, some of us did not. You represent all of us.

594
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:07,540
Accountability is not an attack. Listening to your citizens is not a weakness, it is part of your job.

595
00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:12,640
As you make decisions in the months ahead, I hope that you remember that the measure of good

596
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,840
government is not simply whether you can defend a decision. It's whether the people you serve can

597
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,760
and trust the process that produced it.

598
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:22,260
Many people in this county are telling you

599
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:23,340
that trust has been damaged.

600
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,200
Please do not dismiss that and listen to us.

601
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,440
And then do something to earn that trust back.

602
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:29,420
Thank you.

603
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:34,510
The next item is the approval of the consent agenda.

604
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:36,630
We're here motion to approve the consent agenda

605
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:38,330
with items AA being pulled.

606
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:41,090
Motion made by Commissioner Kegger,

607
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:42,470
seconded by Commissioner Hobbes.

608
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:45,790
All in favor, is unanimous Madam Clerk.

609
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:55,330
the next item is pulled a a from the consent agenda. Do I hear a motion? Go ahead, Commissioner

610
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:59,190
Sheahan. Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's Tarbosh.

611
00:47:59,730 --> 00:48:01,290
Do you mind, please?

612
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:20,070
Good afternoon. How are you? Good, how are you? Good, good, thank you.

613
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:26,490
Thank you for the book. Appreciate that. Give me kind of a brief little rundown. Let's talk about what's

614
00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:30,850
change what's different. How we arrive is kind of giving some highlight bullet points.

615
00:48:31,070 --> 00:48:35,850
I'm going to be going through this page by page. I'm sure everybody else but kind of give me a brief synopsis.

616
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:40,850
Okay, so tonight is just the presentation of the schedule of values and I've given all of you a copy of that.

617
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:48,350
We will also be making it public online for citizens as well. We will be doing a more in-depth educational meeting back here

618
00:48:48,350 --> 00:48:53,610
September the 8th and we'll also have one of our vendors here to talk about statistical analysis and how that works.

619
00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:59,050
Just to give a brief overview of that, and then we'll bring them back after, sorry.

620
00:48:59,750 --> 00:49:06,370
Just want to note that this has to be received 21 days before we can actually vote on it for the schedule of value.

621
00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:10,510
So tonight is just the receiving, go ahead and proceed first.

622
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:23,290
We will be bringing them back after we have our 27 values in place to look at our values and to give a presentation at that time showing where we are with the 27 reappraisal.

623
00:49:23,290 --> 00:49:27,890
So, tonight is just a presentation giving y'all the information.

624
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:31,910
One of the things that has changed the most is to just market data.

625
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:35,850
I do have John Sherrell and Jimmy Tanner up here.

626
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:38,810
Jimmy Tanner is with Tanner Evaluation Group.

627
00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:43,510
We have contracted with him to help with the commercial and industrial properties.

628
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:48,270
And then we will go over some of this information on September the 8th as well.

629
00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:48,870
I'll put

630
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you in there.

631
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:29,340
Aye, good afternoon, commissioners. Even sir, how are you? Pretty good. Would you mind giving me your take on commercial industry? I know that's been a hot topic from the last day to the upcoming one. So kind of give me a rundown of what you've seen, what you found, how's it trended, you know, what's changed? Well, you know, I can't speak to the 23-year prison. I mean, I've looked a lot of information. Of course, I live in Gaston County, so I got tired of Gaston County and kind of keep up with things.

632
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,780
I'm not saying the values was wrong in 23, I think some of the data might be looked at differently.

633
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:44,020
Tax is not a proper topic to talk about. It's not fun for anybody.

634
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:51,260
But the process that we have to do to get here is a process that has to be done. Nobody likes it.

635
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:54,660
And like I said, the schedule values is just part of it.

636
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:02,460
The schedule of AIS is a big moving document, you know, it's got a lot of numbers, it's got a lot of data,

637
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:08,280
and on the commercial industrial properties, like I say, I know that's being looked at more than anything.

638
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:17,800
You know, we've done a lot of things in the 2027 to make sure the AIS we put in place is fair and accurate.

639
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:27,540
I'm not sure about the 23, but there's been a lot of steps taking place that today is just put in place in this schedule of values is fair and accurate.

640
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:32,080
I think there'll be made public after this meeting.

641
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:35,680
Can you go ahead with the public until they presented to the commissioners?

642
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,000
Can you go into a little bit of detail about those steps that you do have in place?

643
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,900
Sir. Can you go into some detail about what you're saying, the safeguard that are in place that might not have been in place the last time?

644
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:52,880
I was not involved in a 23-year-old prison, but I can tell you, I think the things that

645
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,540
we've done now, I think Chelsea could tell what it was done.

646
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,640
I know some of the things was done, but when we look at every property sold and we do

647
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:11,900
a questionnaire to validate whether it's a good sale or not, when you get into commercial

648
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:16,320
properties, industrial properties, everybody can look at the sale price, said,

649
00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:21,320
just convenience stores sold for $2 million. That doesn't mean to real estate sell

650
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:27,360
for $2 million. It's naming rights, business going concerned, the gas pumps,

651
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:31,920
the gas in the ground, there's a property insurably that exactly,

652
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:38,120
example, sale price went nothing related to what real estate was. I bought a

653
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,660
commercial building two and a half years ago,

654
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:44,180
mine wasn't undervalued.

655
00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:47,100
Mine, I paid 130% of market value.

656
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,760
And that included about 15,000 dollars of personal property.

657
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,600
So my building was about 145% of market value.

658
00:52:56,380 --> 00:52:59,900
So I mean, the trends is, you know,

659
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:05,740
in the last year, so sales have kind of stalled.

660
00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:10,160
It's not that hot market that we've had, but you got to understand the re-appraisal

661
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:10,580
was 23.

662
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:16,920
So in 23, 24, 25, it's a different than we have right now.

663
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,660
It's not so much a seller's market now as it was.

664
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,680
But the vase is not really retracted that much.

665
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,460
But we did a lot of things toward the commercial industrial to make sure that the vase is in

666
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:31,760
place.

667
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:43,660
Now, if you look at the schedules, there's base rates, so I think that's probably what a lot of people will center on, but you've got to understand the schedule of age is just two bucks.

668
00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:49,020
And there's a lot of things that goes into that two bucks that changes these base rates.

669
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:57,180
That, when you look and say this office building rates $100 a square foot, that's not what the end square footies rate is.

670
00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:02,720
because there's a lot of things that go into it heat and air, exterior siding, sprinkler

671
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:10,600
system for this wet and dry, perimeter factors, wall height factors, there's a lot of things

672
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,020
that takes them rates and generally takes them up.

673
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,500
So, yeah, we've done a lot of things like that, but the market itself, the market has been

674
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:27,320
increased, you know, and so that's what we've kind of tried to center on and try to help

675
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,400
gas. And this is a joint practice. It's not just town evaluation. We assisted gas

676
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:38,020
that we're doing this. And so it's been a joint project trying to make sure that the rates

677
00:54:38,020 --> 00:54:42,000
that we put in place, especially on the commercial industrial, is where it should be.

678
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:49,100
Thank you, sir. Mr. Tarrbuss, how long has Mr. Tanner been involved on a contract basis

679
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,640
this, or how long has he been helping through this process?

680
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:56,660
Maybe, maybe of you, about a year and a half.

681
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:58,900
And you think that'll be wrapped approximately when?

682
00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:59,960
Thank you.

683
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:13,800
So he's probably going to help us through the revile process into the appeals. If we have commercial appeals, we may consult with him some if needed. But I mean, we've signed a contract for a year and then we'll renew that at that point if we need to.

684
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:17,840
Is that another year renewable or can it be a month renewable or how's it?

685
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:22,280
It's based on a has-needed basis if Chelsea sees certain needs.

686
00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:27,620
I mean, the big thing was is assisting Gaston with doing the commercial and industrial

687
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:28,300
schedules.

688
00:55:28,860 --> 00:55:31,320
What's the rate of that contract that we're paying for those services?

689
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:33,420
Half the top of my head.

690
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:34,200
I know we didn't.

691
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:39,260
The contract was not to exceed $50,000, but we're not, no, we're close to that.

692
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:41,820
Did you get me that number when you have a chance?

693
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,140
And I would like to add just some information if I can.

694
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:51,480
So talking about the 23 re-appraisal, you want me to speak into the microphone, sorry.

695
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaking about the 23 re-appraisal, there was a lot of moving pieces in that.

696
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,140
I took office or took this position in 22 right before we did the schedule of values.

697
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:12,820
You have to realize that the 23 schedule of values was done in August, September, 2022.

698
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,360
At that time, we did not have all the 22 sales and commercial was seeing an increase

699
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,900
at that time coming out of COVID.

700
00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:27,220
We have sales reports from 21, all sales of 21 to show that at the time we were 100% on

701
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:31,020
commercial and industrial when we did the schedule of values.

702
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:38,940
But then, when you look at the 22 sales, which we did not have all the 22 at the time that we presented the schedule of values, it was about 90%.

703
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:46,440
But we were still not, I mean, we were still within industry standards at that point on commercial industrial separately.

704
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:56,500
But North Carolina Department of Revenue takes it as a whole, our sales ratio with commercial industrial residential data, they do not break out property type.

705
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,200
So we've been within state standards.

706
00:56:59,340 --> 00:57:06,660
We have not fallen below 85% or went above 115%, and like Mr. Tanner said, we do send out income and

707
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:11,920
expense statements to all businesses, no matter if that girl received calls on some of those from businesses saying, what is this?

708
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,500
Because it asks for a lot of information, and that's our market data, that's where we're getting that information.

709
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:25,140
So we do use other services, and it was brought up in a public meeting that we had the other day, where do we obtain this information?

710
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:26,440
do we use a valuation guide?

711
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:27,640
The answer to that is no.

712
00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:31,440
We use gas and county sales, gas and county data.

713
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,880
We talk to business owners.

714
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,780
We do use services such as MLS for real estate.

715
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,400
We do use co-star for commercial property,

716
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,300
however, like Mr. Tanner will say.

717
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:45,220
And you can't just look at the sale price on that,

718
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:47,860
you know, pertinent with Carolina Statue and NCDOR.

719
00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:49,780
There's multiple factors that go into that.

720
00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:52,320
So you just can't take a sale and call it valid.

721
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,440
We have to do our research on that sale.

722
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,600
you know, if it's a multi-prosal sale, if it's a forced sale, if it includes personal

723
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,080
property or intellectual property or anything like that, that's not a valid sale and we can't

724
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:04,500
use that.

725
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,600
So there's a lot of moving pieces that go into it and it's not just, oh, well, this property

726
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,900
sold for this, but it was valued at this.

727
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,680
And that is all stated in here.

728
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:18,160
I mean, it's a lot to go through.

729
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:24,360
It's 320 something pages and it will be uploaded on our website tonight after this meeting

730
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,500
as a PDF. One question on the market data for the commercial side.

731
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:32,620
Yes, sir. What's the percent of businesses that don't send that information back?

732
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,760
There's a lot of businesses that don't send it back. So in that situation, what do we do

733
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,280
to get that data? They're not required to and we can't force them. And you know, we also

734
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,460
can't verify that business sending in the same information that they're reporting to other

735
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:55,180
state agencies or whatever on their tax returns or anything else. So we just have to take

736
00:58:55,180 --> 00:59:00,660
it as it is. You know we probably receive a third if that of the ones we get back.

737
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,700
Would you say that's a fair assessment? We probably get a third of the ones back.

738
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:11,540
So to formulate that data got we're doing that in house. Yes yes so we and that's information

739
00:59:11,540 --> 00:59:15,480
that can't be shared and it even states that and those forms are in this book there's a copy of

740
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,660
those forms each and every one in this book there's like six or seven pages of it for different types

741
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:24,620
of businesses. It's blank forms in its states that, you know, we won't share this data

742
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:29,140
for public records law because it does, we'd have to adapt pretty much the entire document

743
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:33,840
at that point. But those are what's sent out, and sometimes you'll have people just

744
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,840
fill out certain pieces and send that back in, but that's still data. And there's conversations

745
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,660
that's had, you know, we'll call those businesses owners and talk to them and ask questions

746
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:48,020
and at that point they may feel more comfortable to give us that information and fill that in,

747
00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:49,620
And then that's the stuff that we keep in house.

748
00:59:50,260 --> 00:59:51,000
Thank you, ma'am.

749
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:51,720
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

750
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:54,780
I want to make sure, right, that is state law.

751
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:56,320
That's not something gas in county correct?

752
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,800
That is correct.

753
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:57,680
That is state law.

754
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:58,320
Yes, sir.

755
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,980
So, state law, they do-

756
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:16,080
We do not have to send that back. That is not a Gaston County thing. And we have received that question from business owners. Is this mandated? And no, it is not state mandated. But it is a tool that we use to develop our rates for market here locally in Gaston County.

757
01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:29,550
Mr. Bailey. Yes. This is more on the residential side. Yes, sir. Over the past year, I've been looking at numerous properties on MLS and their appraised value.

758
01:00:30,830 --> 01:00:43,730
And over the past year, the appraised values are well below the MLO, I mean, everything has went down compared to their schedule of values, I guess, what the county had appraised them.

759
01:00:44,410 --> 01:00:53,750
So, is that something that the residents of Gaston County can be able to see their properties lowering for residential values?

760
01:00:53,750 --> 01:01:01,670
So you're saying that you're seeing a praise value is lower than our current assessed values from the 2023 schedule.

761
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:03,010
I'm sorry.

762
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:03,910
Okay.

763
01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:06,150
So that's not what we're seeing.

764
01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:15,610
I'm not saying that the residents won't see an assessed value decrease, but the market has pretty much stable has been stable for residential properties.

765
01:01:15,610 --> 01:01:22,090
As I stated, we're about 86% of, for our sales ratio for this year.

766
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:27,370
And that's from the last reappraisal, and that's by DOR standards, but that includes all properties.

767
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:32,150
And we try to be 100% of market as of the January 1 reappraisal day.

768
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:41,750
On the commercial, I spoke with you when we first got into office, and you were talking about the last

769
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:54,810
So we should see a substantial increase now, because we've got a lot of companies moving into Gaston County, warning property.

770
01:01:55,370 --> 01:02:06,090
Yes, and that's a two-pronged, so, and that's what I was just stating with the 21 and 22 sales with commercial and industrial and being, you know, 100% and the 90% of market in 22.

771
01:02:08,050 --> 01:02:22,610
coming out of COVID, we had a lot of businesses that was sitting in empty, you know, equipment and everything sitting in there, so it wasn't just the real estate, you're also talking about the personal property, the machinery and equipment, this is also being taxed, and it was very unsabeled at that time.

772
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:33,730
So now you are seeing an increase in sales and commercial and industrial property, but you're not going to see so your business owners are going to receive a tax bill for the real estate.

773
01:02:33,730 --> 01:02:37,530
and then any of the machinery and equipment on the inside as well.

774
01:02:37,690 --> 01:02:43,310
So it's a multi-prong process, and your personal property is reassessed annually

775
01:02:43,310 --> 01:02:45,990
to where your real estate is reassessed on a four-year basis,

776
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:48,850
which is what this schedule of values is setting out.

777
01:02:48,850 --> 01:02:50,850
Is the real estate values for the next four years?

778
01:02:52,550 --> 01:02:54,670
Do we expect an increase in that?

779
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:56,650
In the commercial and industrial?

780
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:59,490
Yes. You will see an increase in the commercial and industrial.

781
01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:01,570
I'm not going to say yes or no to the residential.

782
01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:02,790
Are we a little lower?

783
01:03:02,790 --> 01:03:06,930
we're seeing that in some areas, yes, but it's not going to be across the board, you know,

784
01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:11,390
the increase that you saw in 23 at the 60% across the board. That's not what the residents

785
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:12,010
are going to see.

786
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:24,660
So, Mr. Chair, Mr. Stormbrush, talking about the residential side of the 23 appraisal,

787
01:03:25,620 --> 01:03:32,960
my property of our investment city, and 113% increase in valuation.

788
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,780
and I kind of question that. So I went back and of course this is after the

789
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:44,600
time lag from the data that you used to come up with that number, I went back

790
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:50,100
and I pulled up the comps. Real estate people understand what comps are. I

791
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:55,240
pulled up the comps for 14 homes sold in the last six months and this was about a

792
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,620
year after the completion of your data because there's a time lag. Like you said,

793
01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:06,260
it's a living document. Moves. And I pulled up the comps and the comps justified my property

794
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:14,100
having an increase of 140 percent value. I did not appeal. I accepted my medicine and

795
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:20,760
went forward. At that time, residential property was staying on the market maybe eight days

796
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:30,340
before sale. I know of one particular property in Dallas that was listed aggressively in terms

797
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:37,580
of pricing in the last two months, it sold in three days, but now granted the seller had

798
01:04:37,580 --> 01:04:45,460
marked it 40,000 less than what it sold two and a half years ago and because they wanted

799
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:54,960
to move. So prices for residential property are not unlike commercial property. It's based on who

800
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,980
won't sit and how much they want it and how it fits their needs. On the price.

801
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,920
Paisal is an appraisal. It's good for the piece of paper as written on, but at the end of the day, that doesn't mean that doesn't show the market value of that particular property in the eyes of the buyer. In the eyes of the seller, seller has a number, and it's their number. That's absolutely nothing to do with that appraisal. So appraisals are used for one thing, but sales are done for another. Being on the board, we took that action to purchase that property that's

802
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,640
keeps being talked about and talked about.

803
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:36,000
Gaston County wanted that property because of this location.

804
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:38,480
And when you hear people talking about property,

805
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,680
they talk about location, location, location.

806
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,300
The services that we wanted to put at that facility, that site,

807
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,320
was that's the most central location that

808
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,440
had all the services, the water, the sewer, the infrastructure

809
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,100
in terms of internet access and all those things.

810
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,380
And it dotted all our eyes.

811
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:03,300
I personally would have liked to have done it on 40 acres that we own that's in between

812
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:08,640
Gaston and Cleveland County. I would have liked to have built a joint emergency operations

813
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:13,180
center for dispatch between Cleveland County and Gaston County that we could have had one

814
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:17,940
hard and sight that would have done all of that. It's a little out of the way, especially

815
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:23,400
for gyms, but we already own that property. We've owned it for quite a few number of years,

816
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:30,100
But it would cost 4.3 million dollars to put utilities and service into that facility,

817
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:35,460
to that 40 acres that we own, right off of 85 on South 85 and 74.

818
01:06:36,780 --> 01:06:43,480
With all that being said, we talk about appraisals, we talk about the validity of that $7.3

819
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,420
million or whatever the actual number was.

820
01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:51,220
At the end of the day, if we wanted it, and that's what the buyer wanted to sell it for,

821
01:06:51,220 --> 01:07:01,840
That has nothing to do with your department, it has nothing to do with our wishes, it has nothing to do with the evaluation of the property, it's what the buyer and the seller are willing to agree upon.

822
01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:11,900
So at the end of the day, there's something about the market that isn't driven by our tax evaluation or whatever.

823
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,640
And we keep talking about that piece of property, and that piece of property is invented a thousand different times.

824
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:24,860
And I was here, I was here with other people, I don't think any of you three, you were

825
01:07:24,860 --> 01:07:27,260
here weren't you, and you voted against it, that's correct.

826
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,980
But at the same time, the board understood and understood what we had vision for that

827
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:35,360
property and it met our criteria.

828
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,740
And if the end of the day it's the business decision and we made a business decision.

829
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:45,780
And we can talk about it till the cows come home, but at the end of the day it was the right

830
01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:47,220
decision by the county at the time.

831
01:07:47,220 --> 01:07:51,620
I still say that it's right, I still say we need to build that facility, I think it needs to be one of our priorities.

832
01:07:53,100 --> 01:08:01,540
But, you know, that's just one property, but there's hundreds of examples out there of those increases of valuations on the residential side.

833
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:08,540
And like you said, COVID had depressed the industrial commercial properties because businesses weren't able to operate.

834
01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:09,680
A lot of businesses closed.

835
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:14,820
So with all that being said, you know, we are where we are today.

836
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:17,700
I know the tax department's done the best job if they could.

837
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,480
I have no concerns with that.

838
01:08:20,260 --> 01:08:26,960
And I had asked Commissioner Sheahan on several occasions to give me a copy of the data

839
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:33,200
that shows the value that comes up with the $16 million of lost revenue.

840
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,580
And what validates that?

841
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:36,740
I want to understand the validity of that.

842
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:38,140
I have yet to see that.

843
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:44,380
I would like you to produce that for us in the next 48 hours to the manager's office,

844
01:08:44,540 --> 01:08:48,900
to have the managers office send that to all of us because I want to understand that because

845
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:49,700
I've never seen it.

846
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:50,560
I've asked for it.

847
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:51,940
It's not taking place.

848
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:55,680
And if we're going to say something like that to the public, we need to back it up.

849
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:57,340
And I'm not picking it to you.

850
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:01,700
I'm just saying this conversation, we're wearing this old horse out and I think it's time

851
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:02,440
we put it to be it.

852
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:03,380
Thank you.

853
01:09:12,130 --> 01:09:15,370
I guess one of the things that we want to talk about because I know you had some things

854
01:09:15,370 --> 01:09:19,950
that you wanted to relay so we'll go into that after this but we were talking about

855
01:09:19,950 --> 01:09:20,510
a good sale.

856
01:09:21,150 --> 01:09:25,390
That's also the state of North Carolina, Dean's what is a good sale and what is not, correct?

857
01:09:25,690 --> 01:09:27,410
That is correct and that is in this book as well.

858
01:09:28,670 --> 01:09:35,770
Can you give the public the notice of what they can expect and look at this document where

859
01:09:35,770 --> 01:09:39,790
they can go if they want to talk about something inside of it, how they would get in touch

860
01:09:39,790 --> 01:09:44,770
with someone, whether it be your officer or some everhow, and I know you want to talk

861
01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:49,010
about several things if there's something you guys want to discuss that talk to the

862
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:49,310
public.

863
01:09:49,570 --> 01:09:55,030
Because the one thing I want to make sure is, which we've been back and forth over this,

864
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:58,590
is making sure the public is well identified what's happened.

865
01:09:58,890 --> 01:09:59,970
We've always talked about this.

866
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:26,180
So tell me a little bit about what the state says about a good sale and how it lives in this document, and then we can go forward from there. Okay, so a good sale by state standards. It has to be open market. And then, you know, there's other things that you have to take into consideration. Is it a multi parcel sale? Is their personal property or other property included? If so, that would disqualified. If it's between family members, if it's forced or coerced.

867
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,920
I'm trying to thank of any other.

868
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:38,120
It literally has, if you look at the deed edit sheet, I don't know exactly what page

869
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,240
it's on, but it's in here.

870
01:10:39,380 --> 01:10:46,660
If you look at the deed edit sheet, it lists A to S, yeah, I mean it takes up almost the

871
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:51,920
entire alphabet of different reasons, and you actually see that on our property record

872
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:52,260
card.

873
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:58,080
So you can pull up a property record card for any property on our website, and you can use

874
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,740
this schedule of values, and you should be able to tell what each code is, whether the

875
01:11:02,740 --> 01:11:06,240
cell was valid, not valid, while we invalidated it.

876
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:11,020
You can look at permit data on there, there's a sketch on there, so you can see all that.

877
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,080
So looking up a property record card on our website, and using that with this book, you should

878
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,960
be able to value that property the way that we have valued it.

879
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,720
But one thing to note is that we are doing property taxation valuations on mass and not

880
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,840
fee appraisal, which is two different things.

881
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:31,340
So, you know, we're talking about appraisals and stuff and if you're buying a property

882
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:34,040
or you're getting a loan for a property, you're getting a fee appraisal done.

883
01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:37,060
That is not something that we do.

884
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:42,900
We do it in mass for property taxation purposes and we're going to go into a lot of detail

885
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:46,840
at the September of the 8th meeting with some educational stuff with some examples

886
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:54,680
as well as the websites and software that we have available for the public that we actually put

887
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:59,640
in place in 23 and that we've refined since then to where you can go look at any sales in your

888
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:06,820
area or anybody else's area and you can pull comp reports. You can change that criteria as much as

889
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:12,400
you want but it shows our data and there's pictures of that as well and here there's three different

890
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:19,240
examples of a comp grid in here as well and you know we don't do that for every property but when someone

891
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,480
when appeals their property, we do pull those cops.

892
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:26,200
We also, just so everybody understands,

893
01:12:26,220 --> 01:12:28,680
if there's any aerial data that we find

894
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,660
from the last evaluation to now,

895
01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:34,060
someone has added something to what,

896
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,840
I think you're part, it puts a little red.

897
01:12:37,660 --> 01:12:37,860
Yes.

898
01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:40,580
The issue around it shows what's different also.

899
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,240
The commission is judged on a different, not by it.

900
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,700
So we all feel the same heat that everybody else feels.

901
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,320
It's not like we're getting special needs

902
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,180
because we have someone else come to do our appraisal.

903
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:56,120
And then it's valued off of that, how we kind of get our numbers.

904
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:58,100
Can you talk a little bit about what's those on

905
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:02,180
and what criteria that you use to pull any new data

906
01:13:02,180 --> 01:13:03,480
or something someone may see?

907
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,160
Yeah, so we have two different teams.

908
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,000
We have the reappraisal team that works on just the revow portion of it.

909
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:11,520
And then we have our annual team.

910
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:14,500
And they're outpicking up new construction, work in permits.

911
01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:17,220
So we pull the permit data from building inspections

912
01:13:17,220 --> 01:13:24,060
and we're going out to those and that could either increase or decrease value on the

913
01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:38,520
in between years of a revile and then the sorry I lost my train of thought oh yes

914
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:44,640
that's where we were going the sketch check program thank you the sketch check program

915
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,700
So we actually have boots on the ground and then we also do two flights, every revow

916
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,780
through a company and the year before revow, we do a sketch check program.

917
01:13:55,900 --> 01:14:01,680
What it does is it takes our sketches that we currently have and it takes an outline of that building and it

918
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:07,920
geolocates it and if there's an error in the or a mismatch is what it's called in that property.

919
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:11,080
So there's three different colors. It'll be green, yellow, or red.

920
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:17,660
Green is obviously good. Yellow means there's a minor mismatch and then red means either we're

921
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:23,560
missing an entire building or there's a major mismatch and at that point we're looking at the

922
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,940
aerial data and then we're creating a field check in our system to put somebody back out there

923
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:30,720
at that property to measure that pick that up, get pictures.

924
01:14:32,820 --> 01:14:35,440
And by international and state standards,

925
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:43,600
That actually is qualifies as a full measure and list for a reappraisal.

926
01:14:45,020 --> 01:14:50,080
Just this time I would like to also have something when we send out these.

927
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:56,340
I know that I think Adam I think we did a step by step on online last time.

928
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:59,860
like to find a way we can get something that

929
01:15:01,870 --> 01:15:31,850
It puts the public into being able to see, so not just that they got this bill, how they can go through the process of if they want to appeal or whatever that may be early on. And that way we can educate. Also, you're giving tutorials right now throughout the community. What does that look like? So we have multiple different presentations and educational meetings that we're doing. We were just in Bessemer City at three o'clock today doing a meeting for them.

930
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:34,570
and really anywhere that wants us, we're going,

931
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:37,150
I don't care if it's one person or a hundred people,

932
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:39,570
we'll go and we're walking them through

933
01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:40,890
while we do a revile.

934
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:42,670
Here's the schedule that we have so far.

935
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:44,730
That doesn't include some of our events

936
01:15:44,730 --> 01:15:47,090
that we're having like we're attending cotton gin and days

937
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:48,990
and I think there's one other meeting

938
01:15:48,990 --> 01:15:51,490
that we've added since then for Dallas.

939
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:55,170
But, so we're going out to the public,

940
01:15:55,170 --> 01:15:56,230
we're walking them through it

941
01:15:56,230 --> 01:15:57,790
and then we will also show them,

942
01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:00,390
you know, we'll bring up our software

943
01:16:00,390 --> 01:16:04,490
and we'll show them what they can actually access on our website, how to pull the comps,

944
01:16:04,710 --> 01:16:08,110
and what that looks like, you know, ask, answer any questions.

945
01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:11,350
We've had a lot of people that's had issues from the prior reappraisals,

946
01:16:11,470 --> 01:16:12,930
and, you know, we talked them through that.

947
01:16:13,090 --> 01:16:17,130
We look at their properties, and sometimes we find out really good information

948
01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:21,170
of either our data is incorrect, or they are making assumptions

949
01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:24,510
because they don't know the process, and we're just educating them on that.

950
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:26,470
So that's really what that looks like.

951
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:27,530
We're just walking through it.

952
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:34,270
we have brochures handouts, you name it, we're giving it out just to try to educate as many

953
01:16:34,270 --> 01:16:39,590
people as we can. And so we have those between now and October. And that's kind of the

954
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:43,650
deadlines with this schedule. So we're presenting this to you all tonight. We'll be back September

955
01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:50,550
the 8th for a really in-depth presentation, educational-wise. And then September the 22nd is the public

956
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:58,430
hearing on this schedule of values and then the adoption for this is at the end of October

957
01:16:58,430 --> 01:17:04,170
and then once it's adopted we will publish it in the paper four times four consecutive weeks

958
01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:08,410
and there's a notice of appeal so if you want to appeal the schedule of values you have to go

959
01:17:08,410 --> 01:17:13,150
through the property tax commission to do that and it has to be evidence-based and they will push

960
01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:18,630
us to the top of the calendar and you had asked me earlier when I lost my train of thought

961
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:23,570
about contacting someone in our office or who to contact if somebody had questions.

962
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:28,670
So my telephone number, my desk number is 704-810-581-1.

963
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:31,450
It comes to my cell phone.

964
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:36,030
Feel free to call anytime, if I don't answer them, probably sleep in it if it's late

965
01:17:36,030 --> 01:17:36,350
a night.

966
01:17:36,990 --> 01:17:43,110
But, you know, we're open, we're available, you can walk in, you can talk to us, we've done

967
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:44,230
it with numerous people.

968
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:48,010
We don't have anything to hide, you know, if you want to come see how we do it, we'll

969
01:17:48,010 --> 01:17:49,770
take you for a ride alone, happy worth that.

970
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:56,150
So I've asked Adam to put up the public hearing schedule

971
01:17:56,610 --> 01:17:58,830
online, that way everybody could see that through

972
01:17:58,830 --> 01:18:01,050
our social media pages and whatnot.

973
01:18:01,290 --> 01:18:04,850
With that, I'd like to kind of after that's over.

974
01:18:05,050 --> 01:18:08,670
Maybe if you all could get together and do one on one

975
01:18:08,670 --> 01:18:10,410
from the questions that have been asked throughout,

976
01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:13,890
kind of just give the presentation so people can see it

977
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:15,310
just to not fill in that.

978
01:18:15,310 --> 01:18:21,890
and we can film one from some place we can go do and figure that out, but I want to make

979
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:28,530
sure that the public has every necessary piece to this where we're open to book about

980
01:18:28,530 --> 01:18:34,130
this because I think sometimes people think that this is where we've tried to who do

981
01:18:34,130 --> 01:18:37,410
them or something. We want to make sure everything is open. I want to make sure that happens

982
01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,950
from your guys. Thank you for allowing the public to call. They can set up an appointment

983
01:18:41,950 --> 01:18:48,410
it up soon, through that office as well. And then we'll do the appeal part as well. Obviously,

984
01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:54,750
we can't do it on the TV anymore because of some issues we have in there, but we can

985
01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:59,630
do it on the social media side. We'll ask the manager to make sure that we figure out

986
01:18:59,630 --> 01:19:02,910
all the pieces of that to get that. Anything else you want to add?

987
01:19:03,150 --> 01:19:08,310
I will say when you bring up the appeal. So in 23, we did what we dubbed appeals on wheels

988
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:13,690
and we went out to all the municipalities and we set up shop at the municipalities that

989
01:19:13,690 --> 01:19:18,550
wanted to work with us and we spoke with citizens and we let them file their appeals and talk

990
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:24,530
to appraisers on site in their municipality. That way, you know, they didn't have to come to Gastonia

991
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:29,250
or, you know, if they're working in one area of the community and they live in another, you know,

992
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:33,110
they could do it on their lunch break or whatever. We have communicated with most of the municipalities

993
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:37,870
and they're good to do that again. So we anticipate doing that. We'll be sending out

994
01:19:37,870 --> 01:19:38,990
information on that as well.

995
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:44,190
You can obviously come here, but we're also having other locations throughout the county.

996
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:46,190
That way, we're meeting citizens where they are.

997
01:19:48,140 --> 01:19:49,180
Anything else you have, Dad?

998
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:49,840
No, sir?

999
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:51,680
Any other questions from the Board of Commissioners?

1000
01:19:52,460 --> 01:19:53,940
Thank you very much for your presentation.

1001
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:54,940
Oh, Mr. Tanner.

1002
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:57,280
I just have one thing talking about the schedules.

1003
01:19:58,100 --> 01:19:59,980
Part of this was we revamped the schedule.

1004
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:24,840
It's actually easier to find anything somebody's looking for. We restructured it and made it shorter. And it's indexed where anything you're looking for, you find that you look for it and go that page and it's there. So it's much easier for citizen. We worked with this stuff. So we used to it, but we went through an event where it's actually easier for people to find what you're looking for. Thank you.

1005
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:32,390
Appointments. What's your she had? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1006
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:39,530
here. Oh, sorry. Why? If we could vote on that, we want to hear motion to approve

1007
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:47,990
the presentation of the Schedule of Agues. Motion made by Commissioner Ho seconded by

1008
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:52,710
Commissioner Kieger in discussion. All in favor. Isian and Miss Madam Clerk.

1009
01:20:54,570 --> 01:21:14,650
Mr. Chair, I have two economic development commission application received from a Mr. Johnny Denton health and human services board application received from a Miss Kimberly John seconded by Commissioner Hovis all in favor.

1010
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:17,630
It is unanimous Madam Clerk, Commissioner Bailey.

1011
01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:21,850
Mr. Klogger, no appointments.

1012
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:23,610
Mr. Hovis.

1013
01:21:23,690 --> 01:21:24,290
I have none, sir.

1014
01:21:24,710 --> 01:21:25,190
Mr. Kieger.

1015
01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:25,890
No, sir.

1016
01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:27,850
And I have none as well.

1017
01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:30,050
Reports, Mr. Sheahan.

1018
01:21:31,010 --> 01:21:32,310
None at this time, Mr. Chair.

1019
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:33,090
Mr. Bailey.

1020
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:34,650
No, no, this time.

1021
01:21:34,930 --> 01:21:35,670
Mr. Klogger.

1022
01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:36,430
No reports.

1023
01:21:36,850 --> 01:21:37,490
Mr. Hovis.

1024
01:21:37,730 --> 01:21:38,290
I have none, sir.

1025
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:38,990
Mr. Kieger.

1026
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:46,550
I will just mention that guests in college at our meeting last week announced I think the

1027
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:58,070
It's the third consecutive year of record number of enrollees and I'll be attending the state trustee commission, the rest of the week in Greensboro.

1028
01:21:59,850 --> 01:22:01,290
If we're doing that, sir,

1029
01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:04,650
county manager's report.

1030
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:05,910
No report.

1031
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:10,250
The county attorney's report, nothing report, Mr. Chairman.

1032
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:12,790
Any

1033
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,820
other matters need to come before the board at this time?

1034
01:22:18,580 --> 01:22:21,180
Seeing none, this concludes our meeting for tonight.

1035
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:26,220
Our next work session is here in the Harley-Bee Gasome Public Junior Public Forum.

1036
01:22:26,460 --> 01:22:27,660
Court House, thank you for watching.

1037
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:33,280
If you have any questions, remit those to Donna S. Buffett, 7-0-4-8-663-196.

1038
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:34,320
Good night, all.