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Okay, call this to order. Good evening
everyone. Um, personally I want to check

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is Kurt online
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» The only two online are going to be part
of the state revenue share when that

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comes up.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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Uh first thing on the agenda after that
is any declarations of conflict of

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interest there any
>> No.

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Thank you.
>> And then did people

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» Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Should I mention that I am on the Cedar

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board?
>> Okay. So, I'm going to mention that I'm

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on the Cedar board. Okay.
>> So, There's

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but I make money from it. So,
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later. Thank you for that.
>> Um, and did everyone get a chance to

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review the amazing detailed minutes from
the 15th of April?

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» Are there any corrections or statements
changes to the minutes you made?

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Would

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someone like to make a motion to approve
the minutes?

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» Move to approve the minutes from the
budget committee meeting Wednesday,

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April 15th, 2026.
>> I'll second.

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» All in favor?
>> I opposed.

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Thank you.
So now we'll move to the public hearing

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portion of our meeting.

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Some things I have to say explicitly
here. This is a public hearing regarding

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state revenue sharing for the city of
our fiscal year 2026 through 2027.

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Does anyone object in jurisdiction of
the budget committee to hear this matter

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at this time?

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Does any budget committee member believe
they have a conflict of interest?

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And just remember that the conflict of
interest is you can be a member of an

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organization, you can participate in
organizations. It's just that you can

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financially benefit from any decision
which but then make it conflict.

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» Conflicts of interest. Is there any
additional correspondence to proceed? I

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think as of yesterday
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» no additional other than I did
distribute um a letter that's two

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letters but from the same person at the
last meeting and I will make sure that

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it just goes into the public hearing but
nothing beyond those letters you've

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already seen.

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» Okay. Next we will have public
testimony. will have presentation by

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proponents and opponents and any
additional questions or uh followers. So

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first of all are there any presentations
by proponents for anything?

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I
>> think we have two online and two

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organizations out there. You want to get
started? Oh sure. Um

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» one one moment. Is there was there any
sign in or anything that needed to be

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done for that? Okay. Thank you.
My name is Elizabeth Roberts. I'm a

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member of Trails in Art Association. And
is there anybody here that is not

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familiar with
we're right across the street from you?

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Um we are hosting our 75th
annual judge show this year. So I hope

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there are people here that might be
interested. Um, I'm here representing

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the club uh because I submitted an entry
for a grant consideration.

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So, I'm hoping there's a little money in
your budget. Um, we're hoping to upgrade

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our uh basics. We are in need of a sink,
a stainless steel sink that's suitable

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for those with disabilities to use. And
also, um,

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depending how much money we get this
year, we would like to make all of our

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tables and chairs accessible for
handicapped and hopefully for children.

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Um, we're starting to offer if if we can
get enough um

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uh support, we're hoping to offer
classes for children also.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Any questions?

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» I don't know how detailed you want me to
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Well, my daughter is a high schooler and
she's taken several classes though, so

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» Oh, great.
A little bigger than a little one, but

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» Well, encourage her to submit something
for the show in August. Um, it's free

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for high school and younger. So, we're
really trying to encourage young people

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because a lot of us in the club are
getting older and it's great to have

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fresh ideas and
artists coming in.

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» Elizabeth,
>> I don't know. How familiar are with this

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actual budget that was finished?
>> I'm not familiar with it.

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» Okay.
on on the form it said it had two

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different um amounts.
One was uh less than 500, one was 500.

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And I just checked the box that said
available funds because I know there was

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a statement put out that the funds are
less this year than no surprise there

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with what's going on nowadays. So
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item for under income for city of
Gearhart grant. This is of course

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believe this is this is fiscal year this
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I thought it was for last year when we
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this is for upcoming

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» he's asking about this budget attached
was this for last year or this upcoming

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year6. So that's probably why it does
not look.

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» Yeah.
>> Answering my own question.

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Do you know how much the sink
modification or remodel will be

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approximately?
>> Um, well, I I think it's close to 500

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because it has to be adjustable for a
wheelchair actually. And with the plump

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kit, it's it's actually going to be more
than that. We're just, you know, we just

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get by on
uh we all volunteer our time and we all

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chip in for lots of things. So any
amounts that we can get, we just hope to

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eventually get that replaced.
>> Do you know what the artist payments

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what that is?
There's a line item for under expenses

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for artist payments. Oh. Um, gosh, I
wish I had a copy of that. I I didn't

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know. Um, probably uh if if one of of
the artists make a sale, then um the the

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association keeps 15% and then the
artist gets the rest of the money.

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So, I don't know exact what that is. If
I had this, I could have um looked at it

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ahead of time

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» and then Sorry, I'm not prepared.
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» I think we've got an answer.

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» What line was it you were looking at?
is the 17,5001.

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» Okay. So that Yeah. So for that amount
that would have been all the sales for

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the whole year
um that the artist had.

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So the the association would have kept
15%

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and paid out the rest. So I'm I'm sure
that's probably what that is.

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» So that that would be the expense of the
income of 001 up top. Right.

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» Right. And then there's artist payments
down below. That's for 17,500.

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» Right. And then the artist sales for
22,000. Okay.

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» I really apologize if I would have
realized I would have had our treasurer

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come. I'm so sorry.
>> No, we're we're just trying to No,

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there's nothing wrong. We're just trying
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with your format. So,
>> there's you you have done nothing wrong.

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» Any any other questions, comments? Thank
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» Thank you.
Thank you.

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So, I am Jennifer Paragus and I just
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interim president of the St. Vincent
Paul um food pantry that's located in

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Kart just at the North Coast Plaza right
across street actually three minutes

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from and I'm learning everything. Um I
just started this April 1. um where I

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was really handed over all of her tasks
and trying to get the numbers and we've

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just felt so fortunate by the past when
I've kind of gone over how much you've

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generously given back to the community
with your financial support and all of

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our volunteers were up to about 40 give
or take. Um it just kind of depends. Um,

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but we all volunteer our time and that's
just clock time on uh how much we

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actually serve the clients in our area
right here. So, all of your funds

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graciously go back to supporting
uh the community. As you know, the SNAP

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benefits have dramatically been uh
decreased. So, a lot of people have been

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affected by this. It just sort of got a
report from the Oregon um human

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department and uh I think it was I think
but it was um about 22,000 or 29,000 in

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the state of Oregon were being affected
by SNAP benefits which truly impacts our

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community here as we are seeing um our
needs increase dramatically. Um, also

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something that is truly affected by us
is our fuel costs. Everybody here is

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been affected by that. But we take a
truck and we have to maintain this in

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order to get our donations
um from our just our local services uh

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we get from, but we also have to
purchase

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our food too. And so we do require I
know I checked off a little box for it

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as much as you could give us. Um and
it's just mainly to help make up for

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some of that that deficit that we're
seeing um as our numbers increase with

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families and clients that we're serving
and then also the food and fuel costs

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that we're actually being um forced to
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Any questions? If I can't answer them,
I'll find out if they're not.

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» Yeah.
>> Do the recipients have to be a member of

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the victims at the ball?
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volunteers. So, they um the volunteers
do not have to be per se a member

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Catholic. It is a Catholic community.
Um, so we have volunteers who've

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actually been clients and they've came
back and they've returned to volunteer

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with us too, which just makes your heart
kind of throw a little bit. And then we

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also have um people who in order to be
on the board and to run um and have the

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support of St. and some depth
that so we do have that on board and I

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just so happened to be able to change
that and to be able to say your

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president so that was good to be able to
it's great to not have that uh

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discrimination if you want to say that
as in we don't believe in uh

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discriminance any race gender sex uh
age, anything. So that I really feel

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strong about that. It's just a great
organization to see that we can fight

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for food and security just locally
direct right here. It's amazing. I

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encourage you to want to become a mom.

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So, am I reading this correctly? your
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has gone down from 44,000 it's changed
to 39,000

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so and I um kind of request that too we
had a major repair we had a leak and uh

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under our contract with our release we
had to incur that cost okay

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» so we're hoping and we're um really
fortunate enough to

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keep maintaining everything that we hope
that we won't have to incur something

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like that. And then we also had to
purchase so you see that little

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additional increase from last year and
we're hoping that it won't have to

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continue is that we have a purchase here
and then also a freezer. So we currently

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have um how many freezer spaces do you
think we have? We have um

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8 to 10 free
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can actually store and then we have u
room where we can store non-p perishable

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foods like um in a kind of shop you say
that kind of shelf

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» an open shelf.
>> Yeah, open shelf stuff. So, so um again,

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if I'm reading this correctly, it looks
like your total income is 67,000, but

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you you are expecting your expenses to
be 67600. So, you're 600 in the hole.

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So, okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» Yeah. We have uh
>> been some elderly donors that have

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donated that actually have been
volunteers in their up in their 80s and

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90s and they even after they stopped
volunteering they continue to donate and

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we've lost them.
>> Right.

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It's humbling to ask for money
and solicit, but we appreciate you

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taking the time to just even consider us
and of course be able to call us

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neighbors too. Really makes an impact.
>> You certainly serve our community while

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I use.
>> I was in a different meeting with the

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food banks and feeding centers. The
coordination and work is going. So,

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thank you for your work there.
>> Oh, thank you.

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» Any other questions, comments?

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» Anyone else?

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» So, uh Ellie from the North Coast Food
Bank, would you like to go next?

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» Hi. Yes. Can you hear me?
>> Yes.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. Brilliant. Um so I am with the

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North Coast Food Web. We are an online
farmers market and we are a web of food

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um sort of found within 100 miles of
Atoria sourced um from producers and

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farmers typically very small and we are
requesting funds for our free food box

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program.
In the free food food food box program,

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we give out 15 boxes a week to anybody
who identifies as being food insecure.

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And we pay full price for the food from
the farmers and producers to do this.

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And so it's not a profitable service,
but it does mean that the money donated

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to us for this program passes through
the producers and the farmers as well as

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the people in needs hands. So, we like
to say it's feeding two birds with one

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seed.
But it is a fantastic program that needs

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constant support because we are giving
away food

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and supporting farmers and producers and
it's contributing to a strong and

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resilient local food system which as we
know from 2020 things can go haywire

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very fast. It's nice to have local food.
So that is why we are requesting funds

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to continue to um build this food system
locally

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» questions.

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All right. Thank you very much. Thank
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» And last, the barber, please. I see
Morgan Shar.

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» Yes. Hi, can you hear me? Okay.
>> Yes, we can.

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» Okay. Um, so my name is Morgan and I
work for the harbor. I am the volunteer

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and outreach coordinator along with um
Dies. I am the on call manager for the

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harbor.
And uh I believe we are asking for funds

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for our DEART program. We are the only
sexual assault, domestic violence

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nonprofit agency in the area and we are
looking to serve Klatsup County um by

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putting survivors into hotels
um providing support as far as fleeing

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whether that's a bus ticket, airplane,
any type of

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uh confidential shelter needs that may
need to be met.

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um any clothing, food items that also
may need to be met and paying for an

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advocate to be able to provide these
needs um 24 hours

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um daily and 7 days a week.

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Thank you. Any questions?

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pretty straight,
>> right? I think that's one.

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» Um Morgan, um so the funds you're asking
from the city of Jurgart, you say it

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would go directly into the deepart uh
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» Yes, that is correct.
And is that do you have the operational

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budget by chance in front of you?
>> I do not um my manager is at a um

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conference at the moment. So I took over
this evening.

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» Okay. I I don't see a line item
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specific program.

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» Oh, Anderson. Yeah. I'm not entirely
sure. Um I just know that we were doing

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it as dies as a whole, but I wouldn't
know um item by item.

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» Okay. Do you have any idea by chance?
You may not, but what how much funding

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that particular program
is is has earmarked for it

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and what it costs to run that particular
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» in a year. I couldn't tell you, but I do
know that as far as for the grant

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itself, I think we're looking at the max
just because being a DEART myself, um

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knowing that putting somebody in a hotel
for a week when we don't have room in

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our confidential shelter can cost to
about $1,000.

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um on top of anything they may need,
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uh phone, gas cards, anything like that.
It can be pretty costly, but as in a

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total amount, I'm not entirely sure what
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» Okay.
>> Seems like it should be within emergency

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services, but we have a break out of
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» Yeah, possibly.

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» Great. Thank you, Morgan. Yes.

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» Then we have others in your packet that
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given previously.
No other presentations for opponents

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requests.
Are there any presentations by

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opponents?

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I think that would be it just right. Um
first of all I want to thank all the

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presenters. Thank you guys for for
coming both online and in person. Much

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appreciated. And you don't have to stay
for the rest of the meeting if you don't

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want to. Won't affect how we the web
rate or anything. It'll all be recorded

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so you can watch later. So feel free to
enjoy the sunshine morning. Yeah.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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So that would be the public hearing
portion is closed and we should move on

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to the public comment
on the proposed project program. So

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that's the overall budget that we talked
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no one else online. I just check that

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and you guys are not here for that
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these guys up.
So now the fun parts for us budget any

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discussion on a proposed programs and
services. I guess we start with just the

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additional staff input. Correct.
>> Right. So this year I did do a staff

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report just because I felt like there
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to cover and I always feel like if I
write it down then it's easier for

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people if they happen to be see
documents online that they have access

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to that. and then it kind of helps me
focus my thoughts and and kind of get

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out what I need to get out for.
So, the first two things on my staff

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report are just a technical spreadsheet
calculation thing and I'm thankful for

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um Eric Halpern for calling me and
letting me know this actually was

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something even from last year that was
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template and I had changed it in the
approved and the adopted. I had not

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changed it in the proposed. So the first
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are just technical spreadsheet
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state tree and the Ghart Road District
the formula had not gotten pulled all

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the way down for the totals but I need
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to adjust certain line items um in order
to make those totals mount. So, they're

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just technical amounts that need to be
adjusted. There's no specific action

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that you have to take at this moment
because um unless you have an objection,

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which we we can talk about now, or
during the budget committee discussion,

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they will just get approved. will have
an amended budget and make sure that

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these get approved for the um approved
copy. Any questions about those two

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technical issues?
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wanted to highlight was the transaing
tax. Uh, a I had had a couple questions

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about definitions
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and pulled some definitions specifically
of the tourism related facilities

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um tourism promotion
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sustainable tourism and responsible
travel and again kind of the theme of

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this is is that I do feel like it's
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transient lodging, the terms are real in
the state of Oregon requirements for how

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we spend tourism related facilities or
tourism promotion. How we as a city

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adopt those and we define them depends
upon us. So when we set an ordinance or

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we set programs, we can define tourism
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responsible travel as sustainable
tourism. We can move those words to

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words that meet the definition of what
we want to see and we can control those

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by setting boundaries. You you can't
have certain things. You can't do

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certain things. This is our objective
with that money. And I think that those

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need to be much more in depth, longer
conversations with the public, with

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businesses, with the planning
commission, um, with other the public,

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uh, to have their input and the
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So, I just put those just for general
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important to this message.
Um, question.

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» Yeah. So the the bottom line for this is
it would be or an an ordinance or

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ordinances setting this in place and
using language such as this to encap you

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know to capture what it is we want to do
that's that's where that would all take

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place
>> and it wouldn't have to be I mean I

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think that the ordinance can be generic
but you would want to define in the

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ordinance how that process is
established whether it's establish

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establish like Nikki makes the decision
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and and the guidelines that they're
supposed to use. You know, they're

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supposed to follow the comprehensive
plan, they're supposed to do other

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things. So it depends on how detailed,
but you could put it in the ordinance

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rather than a line item that says all
transit logging lodging tax that is

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approved for tourism or tourism
is a related exper

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um governed by like their planning
commission. like nothing can be spent

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out of there until the planning
commission approves it and then the

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planning commission would hopefully get
input in the public. And and I'm not

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saying that that would be the way to go,
but you could set a committee that does

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it. You can set that the council has to
see all of the expenditures before they

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go out, that type of thing. You could
have it that restrictive. A committee

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does it. You have a committee of three
business people or something that

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decides how that money goes. Do we have
choices about how this is set up in

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this?
>> Absolutely. Yes. And our timeline for

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having the ordinance completed is the
end of the year.

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» We needed the second reading approved in
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» Yes. We would need it I mean ideally we
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You could have a meeting on December
31st to implement it on July 1st. And

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the first reading needs to be in
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then it would be in December would be
the second reading. So it would be

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effective 30 days later and there's
then it would push it into January which

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is the January deadline of when it
actually gets imposed. So we would want

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to do all the work and kind of talked as
a staff we kind of talked about what

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that looks like because it's going to
need a lot of community input. You're

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just approving as the budget committee.
You're just approving that revenue

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source is an approved way to balance the
budget. You're not approve really

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approving the percentage. You're not
really approving

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um that the tax will be increased. That
will be a city council decision.

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» Are we even approving the language?
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because that will be an ordinance
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» Okay. Because I I you and I I know
discuss this but that was one of my

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terms around tourism and I looked at
some things in the comprehensive plan

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like at the very least for discomfort
with it,

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» right?
>> Some things that we state we want to do

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and some things that sort of conflict
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» And that kind of transitions me into
another discussion which I want to

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follow up on. Is there any other
questions about that? Yeah.

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» So, basically what we're trying to do is
take more money for us instead of giving

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it to
tourist industry basically.

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I mean when we're when the you know with
the state mandates we can only get it a

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certain percent. Okay. So my thought on
this was well I mean it doesn't make any

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difference whether one tourist comes
into this town and 500 of them still

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using our roads. are still police
department still having to do stuff,

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fire department still involved. Every
single

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thing that we do in the city is, you
know, is

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basically
shared with the tourist tax,

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» right? And maybe we're maybe maybe Ghart
chooses not to call them tourists. Maybe

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we choose to call them business
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» you know? I mean I think it will be
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to meet the guidelines. They will define
and have an expectation and this new

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legislation will require quarterly
reports where they never had reports

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before that you're reporting what you're
doing with the money. And so we will

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have to think about and justify that's
why setting up a plan in advance like

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kind of like you said like these are the
definitions these are the way we see

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tourism you you can't tell us how we see
our visitors you know we get to decide

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that but it will have to fit in the
structure that the state has set

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» but that's just basically I mean that
just puts more of a burden on the city

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staff which then should be paid for by
tourist dollars.

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Some some people have been creative and
and they do pay um

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communication people but there will be
an outcome that there's an expectation

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that somehow that's encouraging people
to come to Gart.

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So the state will have an expectation.
>> People already get encouraged to come to

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Ghart visa v the golf course
>> trails and the thousand pictures that

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are posted on Facebook.
>> I've never understood why the coast

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be used to promote tourism.
>> It's just like you know going to the

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mountains,
right? I mean there may be some I mean

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the unclea valley you know the winery
down there and everything like that you

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know or down in Medford or wherever it
happens to be nobody has to encourage

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people to come to coach
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we should encourage them to come to
canon beach or seaside or here or

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something
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own nest okay they get they got exactly
what they wanted now you know they're a

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couple brother
So, you know, I mean, people from the

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valley are going to flock to the coast
during hot weather up there. We don't we

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don't need to spend money on
Kurdish tourist. So, that's all been.

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But if they're going to come here and we
want more of their money,

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» but if we want the tax money, then we
have to encourage them to come.

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» They're going to come to the store.
Well, that's you know, I mean, you know,

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» that's that's the price we pay for
decals

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that are in Hammond as our attorneys
currently. They've written guide books

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for the League of Oregon cities for
cities on how to do this. They're very

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much up on it and we'll definitely be
leaning on them to make sure we do this

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correctly. And I really want to be I
really feel like we need to be leaders

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in redefining the term tourism
and what that looks like in our city. I

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feel like that that's really important
and if we do not stand by that then we

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jeopardize
our small rural community.

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» Well, especially to make it uh
consistent with our comprehensive plan.

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» Yes. Right. And that's really important.
And I think that that's where all the

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leg work has to go in to make sure
because because we live in a city that

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doesn't have a public septic, you know,
sewer system. We have septic tanks which

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automatically and limited property.
We're not really not that big of a city.

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We're not really looking
or have the ability to accept a lot of

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large hotels. that's not something
that's necessarily ever going to

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necessarily look here unless there's
some pretty dynamic changes. So, I feel

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like putting the budget together and
sitting around this table, we are not

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asking to increase the number of at this
point increase the number of

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people coming in. We're we're asking to
increase the amount they have to pay to

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this point. We're asking for a bigger
percentage.

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» We are.
>> Well, um, if there are empty hotel

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rooms, we want to encourage the hotel
rooms to be full.

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» Sure. Well, that could be the excellent,
you know, plus and minus to that

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» because we do have a comprehensive plan.
They come along to support the

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businesses that are here, right? Yeah.
>> Yeah. This is what our comp plan says in

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commercial development policies. The
city will prevent the city from becoming

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a tourist destination. To achieve this
polit policy, the city through its land

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use designations
shall seek to accommodate only a limited

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level of tourist development. So it
doesn't say no tourist development. just

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as control it like you said to what is
acceptable and appropriate for your

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resources that you have law enforcement
you have the emergency services septic

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all of those types of things and so what
we need to do is decide what's

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acceptable we have a finite number of
beds so I mean even if we wanted to

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we're not going to I mean we can't
increase the C1 we can't increase the C

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I mean it's already designated how much
space we have the finite number of beds

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But do we want to encourage more people
to visit our restaurants? Now, the state

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defines a tourist as somebody who
travels more than I think it's 50 or 51

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miles. But what it doesn't say is that
round trip because if it's 50 miles

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round trip, you're talking on the far
side of the story,

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you know, maybe from the halo. Um, so
but we don't necessarily have to adopt

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their definition of tourism as long as
whatever we do with that money meets

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what they describe as promoting tourism.
Exactly. Agreed. So we define tourism

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and then we live by their rules and that
way we get to keep our 50% and then we

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appropriately use the other 50% that
we're mandated to spend on supportive

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00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:06,560
tourism. We find a way that it works
with our complent and I think we can do

424
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,240
that but I think we do need legal advice
on it. Yes. But

425
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,599
» because she
>> Well, I'm sorry. But uh

426
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:23,760
the only way it affects our revenue
directly is if they spend the night.

427
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:30,480
It's not just it's not just
>> coming as a day tripper to walk the

428
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:35,599
Ridge Pass and have dinner and eat.
>> That's sorry. I mean that's good.

429
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:39,520
» No, that's that Well, that's true and
that's not true. I mean, if we have 10

430
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:44,880
rooms that are being rented out and
we're renting out 10 rooms and only

431
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:47,680
getting $5 per room versus renting out
10 rooms and getting $10 per room,

432
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:50,960
» right?
>> We're not increasing the number of beds,

433
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:57,520
but we are increasing our income,
>> right? And of that additional $5, 250

434
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:02,160
goes to the city. 250 goes has to go
back into what our, you know, tourism,

435
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:07,200
the type of tourism that we decide is
acceptable, whether it's day trippers

436
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,640
coming in, um, or whatever. So, let's
say we wanted to take that money and

437
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:15,839
somehow support our restaurants down
here in the C1 or like you've suggested,

438
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:20,480
we wanted to support art walks or some
type of a something that would encourage

439
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:25,200
that would be something I think I I
agree the community would need to

440
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:30,079
discuss and decide what are we what you
know what are we going to consider

441
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:32,960
tourism and and the mayor had some some
good points when we talked about this

442
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:38,480
last time also
>> and so you know in the new house bill

443
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:43,680
there is the new option now that has
been added the resiliency grants for

444
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:49,359
small businesses in the restaurant and
lodging industry. So th that has been

445
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:55,119
added. It was not an option before and
so now it does potentially open up for

446
00:40:52,320 --> 00:41:02,400
some of the things like
Dana was talking about. there isn't

447
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:09,920
going to be another opportunity to help
our um local businesses. And so that

448
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:14,079
kind of leads me to my next topic, which
I'm going to change a little bit. So the

449
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:19,040
account description, name modification
in the budget document. So I thought

450
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:26,480
about this for the last few days. I I
met with um Carl at the last on this

451
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:31,200
week to go over the agenda just so we
can talk about it so that we can be

452
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:37,040
prepared for today. And just in that
conversation, we were just talking about

453
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:44,800
planning commission and the comp plan.
And after he left, I was thinking about

454
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:50,160
it and I thought, you know, we we was
going to talk about make a

455
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:56,240
recommendation to
by consensus to change promoting

456
00:41:52,480 --> 00:42:02,319
Gearhart instead of business incentives
because it for more flexibility. And you

457
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:08,880
know, after talking to him, I I I want
to reig on that again because I think

458
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:14,720
promoting Gear Heart is exactly what we
wouldn't want to do in the comp plan. I

459
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:20,000
thought about it and I kind of just did
some definition things because the comp

460
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:24,240
plan does say prevent tourist
destination,

461
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:28,560
but it also says ensure healthy and
stable economy. dear heart through all

462
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,839
available sources
>> and maintain a commercial zone in the

463
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:36,640
center of the city that provides for the
needs of residents, right? And there's

464
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:40,319
no way that we can do that without, you
know, allowing folks from out of town to

465
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,480
come visit them because there's just
simply not enough of us to keep them

466
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:47,520
going.
>> Agreed. So, I thought of other other

467
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:54,079
words, other line descriptions that we
could use that maybe might better suit

468
00:42:49,920 --> 00:43:00,240
that. So things like promoting business,
supporting business, enhancing business

469
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:04,319
or maybe nurturing businesses. And every
one of those words have different

470
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:10,160
different meanings, right? So I looked
up promoting business encouraging growth

471
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:16,000
and development or popularity is
promoting supporting furnishing

472
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:22,319
assistance encouragement or structural
strength acting as a foundation to

473
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:29,119
uphold enhancing means intensive
intensity increasing further improvement

474
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:35,119
the quality value or extent of nurturing
helping or encouraging the development

475
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,960
of so I think that we should get rid of
promoting dear heart. I'm reiging on my

476
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,440
my
>> right

477
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:45,280
» um recommendation.
>> I you know I think that we need to put a

478
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:49,040
placeholder in here for sure but I
really do think that we need legal

479
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,359
recommend a legal recommendation on
this.

480
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:56,800
» Agreed. That's my
>> and we can change it easily later but we

481
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,280
do need to put a line and a description
in there but promoting your heart is not

482
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:04,480
the line we want.
>> Yeah. council, you you read line two of

483
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:08,480
the goals and number seven was the city
will limit the number of business uses

484
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,240
in the C1 zone so that the zone does not
become a destination for tourists.

485
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:15,760
» We've already limited the number of
businesses because there are no more

486
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,040
there's no more room. We've already said
we're not going to increase the level

487
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:23,200
down there. So, we've already met the
intention of that.

488
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:28,880
» Correct. I think I think we're I think
we're in agreement on that that we can

489
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:34,400
that you know our comp plan doesn't say
no tourism. It just says no more

490
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:39,040
tourism. And so we can still promote our
tourists, our businesses that that

491
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:44,079
depend on tourists at the level that our
comp plan says is acceptable and it also

492
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:48,800
serves our needs in a way without
increasing it. And if we can support and

493
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,960
help them in some way in the months of
January and February, maybe you know

494
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:58,400
that's something that we decide to do
and we can encourage you know Atoria

495
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:03,200
residents seaside residents to come to
our local businesses during that time

496
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:07,280
then they're still there in the summer
when we have fourth of July you know

497
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:14,079
they're still there
12 months later because they cannot ser

498
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:18,960
you know in January might not be able to
serve them ice cream or or be open

499
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:24,240
enough days in order to do something.
But in the months of May through August,

500
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:31,440
you might have plenty of people there in
order to support it. So again, I think

501
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:36,640
it's um it's looking at it in a
different approach. So

502
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:44,560
» you can also use that money to um if you
come up with a let's say hypothetically

503
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:48,240
we said we want to um one of our other
goals and I don't have the whole comp

504
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:53,599
plan for me but one of our other goals
is to encourage I don't know encourage

505
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:57,440
ecourism but support ecoourism that we
are going to you know the people here in

506
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:01,680
this community care very much about the
bridge path and about our beach and

507
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:08,800
those are things that people want to
come walk, you know. Um, so if we found

508
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:12,800
that there was something we needed to to
maintain those or to improve those, you

509
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,560
can use the money for that. You could
say, hey, we're for the next two years,

510
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:21,040
we're going to set aside that money to
go into a bathroom where I'm just

511
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,640
saying, you know, or signs or whatever.
We could divert that money temporarily

512
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:30,640
and then in two years we would then have
to say, okay, that we fulfilled that

513
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:35,520
goal. What is our next goal? And so a
group like this would have to make a

514
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,079
determination going on, right? I agree
and I think it Yeah. Go ahead, Eric.

515
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Eric,
>> I just wanted to reinforce something

516
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:47,839
that Paulina said a moment ago. I don't
know how direct we can be about this,

517
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,760
but we only benefit if they stay
overnight and pay the lodging tax. We're

518
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,319
encouraging people come walk on the
beach for a day or go climbing for a day

519
00:46:53,680 --> 00:47:01,839
or whatever they do to go to Trails End
for a day, but don't stay overnight. We

520
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:07,359
haven't we haven't paint anything. So So
we have to just keep that part in mind.

521
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:12,160
» Well, because historically, okay, when
the comp plan was written, everything

522
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:17,520
north of 10th Street was out of the city
limits.

523
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:21,599
So it wasn't until Bowman wanted a third
police officer

524
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:25,440
that Maltman said to him, "If you can
find a revenue source, then we can

525
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:30,240
support a third police officer."
So that's when they annexed Attica West

526
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:39,359
and then the golf course and then
everything on it basically to 13th

527
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:46,400
Street. Okay. And so that was where all
of the basically all the hotel rooms

528
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:53,599
originally they were opposite.
Now we get to Okay. But the C1, okay,

529
00:47:51,920 --> 00:48:01,040
basically
was written to maintain our small

530
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:05,040
downtown core area for, you know, the
benefit of the residents.

531
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:08,800
There isn't anything that says that we
can't, you know, we can't tell the

532
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:16,079
minimum we're going to take your money
and use it for, you know, for what we

533
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:20,240
want to do. And you know, I think we
should have

534
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:25,760
to be honest with you.
>> Well, if there's if they're paying the

535
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,520
tax, it's determined what we're going to
do.

536
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,319
» Yeah.
>> Well, that's the See, that's the dollar,

537
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,599
you know, the overnight people and
everything like that are using the

538
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,359
streets, they're coming down here.
Hopefully, they're going to they're

539
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,079
going to support the downtown businesses
as well as walking the beach or bridge

540
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:46,319
path, whatever it is.
>> Sure. you know, and the more people I

541
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:50,640
mean, you know, if they fill those rooms
up

542
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:55,680
» for 300 days a year,
>> that's kudos to us.

543
00:48:52,720 --> 00:49:02,640
» Nothing nothing in nothing in the
statute requires that we increase

544
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:08,880
people utilizing our beds. Nothing
requires that we promote the beds. We're

545
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:13,920
just saying if we have 10 beds and we
are currently being five, you know,

546
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,599
charging them $5 tax on it, we would now
like to charge them, and this is again,

547
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,559
I'm just throwing out numbers. Now, we
would like to charge them $10 for the

548
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,880
same number of beds. You know, you know,
before you come and visit McMinman's

549
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:32,400
now, you're not going to pay $5 in tax.
Now, you're going to pay $10. And then

550
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:40,800
the city is going to get the additional
$5. That additional $5 has to be split.

551
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:46,240
50% can go to city's needs because they
recognize that we will have additional

552
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:53,040
infrastructure needs. And then the other
50% has to be put into um promoting

553
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:59,440
tourism but not necessarily promoting
people to be in those beds promoting

554
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:04,400
tourism. But my point
but my point is we I seems to me we

555
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,119
wouldn't want to promote them staying in
the other vacant beds.

556
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,559
» Yeah.
>> Because so we could get more of the tax

557
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:14,079
money which is the whole point because
we're only encouraging people come for

558
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:20,559
the day
>> our beach

559
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:24,240
go to our our art center walk and we
don't encourage them to stay overnight.

560
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:28,079
We've only increased the traffic but we
haven't increased our income. Well, and

561
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:33,359
I think you brought up a good idea last
time and I I like it and it's something

562
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,720
I thought about too is it's
>> count,

563
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,240
» right? Like when my husband and I went
to McMinums and on the table there's

564
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,920
eight different things that they're
doing throughout the state of Oregon.

565
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:49,200
They're having a bicycle right here and
they're having a um outdoor barbecue and

566
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,400
brush and all sitting on my table while
I'm sitting there and we're talking

567
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:56,400
about oh are we going to be here or
there and that be a you know we might be

568
00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:00,400
able to do that. We want the same thing
when they're going to the vend. They

569
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,760
want to see Bony's Fest, right? They
have the same number of beds. They've

570
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,839
always had the same number of beds. But
maybe

571
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:13,119
» encouraging them through an incentive or
through a resiliency grant to say, "Hey,

572
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:17,839
you're already advertising you. We know
that this is going to cost you

573
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:22,480
additional money in tax. you know, if
you can prove to us you're pro, you

574
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:27,760
know, uh, supporting people to come here
to stay in your rooms, we'll we'll give

575
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:32,400
you $5,000, right? I mean, that's an
option. And I think you mentioned

576
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:36,319
something about incentives for those
people for promoting, right?

577
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:42,319
» Um, and
>> right. So, I mean, I don't think that

578
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:48,400
that's a a bad idea. And I think that in
the short term that I even might be

579
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:52,880
something that eases the burden for them
to kind of go along with like Dana said,

580
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:57,920
this is we don't want to be the most
expensive place on the coast. So if they

581
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:02,800
could somehow
get money back,

582
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:06,319
» um it might be less. It helps them to
have I'm sorry, but it helps them to

583
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,800
have restaurants down here that are
successful because you don't want to go

584
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:13,280
stay in a place where you have no place
to go where you have to drive you know

585
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:17,760
20 minutes. So I think that that kind of
resolves itself to some extent.

586
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:23,839
» Are we going to do something for the
three primary drivers which is probably

587
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:29,280
minimum privacy and drift and have them
directly involved

588
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:33,000
you know provide them some incentive for
doing this to

589
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:40,240
reduce the the burden of the tags for
them and help us solve the whole tourism

590
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,240
thing. They're now, you know, it's a
joint effort to to promote.

591
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,000
» I don't even know if we could put it
into the bike lane out here on the 101.

592
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,440
That's part of the ODOT plan. I mean,
there's all kinds of things and I don't

593
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:55,119
think we are supposed to determine that
tonight. I think we're supposed to

594
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,599
determine whether we think the city
should pursue that money, make the

595
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,640
recommendation to get the attorneys
involved and tell us how we do it.

596
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,880
» Correct.
>> But we do need to come up with an item

597
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:11,119
description line.
>> I was going to ask you to summarize what

598
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:17,839
you would like that to say.
>> It can be something simple. Um, I don't

599
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:21,599
know if we just want to use something
like

600
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:27,599
supporting your heart or enhancing your
heart or if we specifically want the

601
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:31,280
word business in there. Um,
I think that we need to get rid of

602
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:36,800
promoting though and pick a different
word like supporting, enhancing,

603
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:41,359
nurturing. Um, and whether or not we
want to leave it really broad and just

604
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:45,359
say nurturing your heart or supporting
your heart or enhancing your heart or

605
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:50,960
whether we specifically want to put the
word business in there. It does not lock

606
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:56,319
us into anything. All it does is
appropriate money for us to spend. And

607
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:01,119
when we end up going to put this
together, we can change this line item.

608
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,200
But how we present this, when people
pull this out tomorrow, we're going to

609
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:08,800
want something in there. supporting
deer. It's broad.

610
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,480
» Supporting.
>> I like the word supporting. I put

611
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:17,440
supporting local business, but I don't
need to have the word business. Uh I

612
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:22,160
like enhancing too.
>> I like supporting better than enhancing.

613
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,800
Enhancing feels like it might be making
the flowers.

614
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:31,359
» Yeah. Enhancing increasing which is
maybe not our

615
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,240
» right content.
So

616
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:36,960
» I think that we're supporting
>> better.

617
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,960
» It's deposit.
>> I And I'm not even sure that for this

618
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:47,280
for the purposes tonight that we even
have to do that. Why can't we just say

619
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:52,319
um TLT tax and then the um city's
portion and then um obligated funds or

620
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:56,400
something like that and then we can work
out the

621
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:00,800
later
TLT distribution.

622
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:04,720
» There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
allated distribution and

623
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,440
» and we could do that. The only thing I
would say is is that all of this is TLT

624
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:14,319
distribution
and I think I think that if we give them

625
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:19,680
some idea of where we're headed,
supporting their heart might be a better

626
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:23,040
way for probably means call for you.
>> It might and it might be if somebody are

627
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:27,359
saying
>> if somebody happened to ask you, you

628
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:32,480
could throw out ideas that we're having
for supporting their heart. I mean, I

629
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:39,520
want to believe that it could be hiring
extra police or extra people on Fourth

630
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:44,880
of July. Then somehow if we could find
somebody who would be willing to be an

631
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:49,760
enforcement, a parking person that that
that would be something we might be able

632
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:54,440
to do with the money.
We're now eligible TLT uses

633
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:02,720
» eligible TLT uses.
>> I like it.

634
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:06,960
» Doesn't say tourism. It doesn't say
promotion.

635
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:10,000
» Yeah. So, it's identifiable.
>> Yeah. And that way the first time we

636
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:16,559
introduce it to the public, we can
explain where we're going without

637
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:21,520
the assumptions about the um I was
looking in CE trying to see what Seaside

638
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:26,240
what they listed theirs under, but I
can't find it real quick. So well and

639
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:32,079
they a lot of them have hired personnel.
So they'll have like a 0.5 person that

640
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:36,319
does like restrooms during busy times.
So you'll see the personnel breakdowns.

641
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,520
It doesn't say exactly what it is, but
you'll see they'll have a staffing

642
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:44,319
person in there. And I mean, those are
all options for us as we go down the

643
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:49,280
road and we learn what we can and can't
use it for.

644
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:54,720
» So, are we moving with eligible TLT
uses? That seems great.

645
00:56:51,920 --> 00:57:01,400
» By consensus, we're moving to that.
>> Okay. We'll change that line item. to

646
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,400
put in eligible.

647
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:09,520
» I just put a little thing in there for
you for the TLT revenue breakdown. Um,

648
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:15,200
since Eric had asked, like I said, I see
the individual checks and the individual

649
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:24,559
deposits. So, I look at this differently
than um in a group. So, we have 62

650
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:29,680
houses that produce 39%
and this is tracked on a calendar year,

651
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:37,040
but in a 12-month period, it's all the
same amount of money. So, uh 39% is

652
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:44,079
about $224,000.
Uh the four condos is 2% is about

653
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:51,760
$12,000.
And then the hotel motel condo which is

654
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:57,520
an actual word Chad I looked it up which
is um a condominium complex that runs

655
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:03,200
like hotels so you can own it but
there's a reservation person there that

656
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:07,040
checks in and checks out. So people
really think they're kind of at a hotel

657
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:10,240
even though it's a condominium complex.
Is that

658
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:12,160
your heart by the city?
>> Yeah,

659
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:23,400
» that's a wedge.
>> And so six six businesses bring in 58%

660
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,400
which is about $335,000.

661
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:30,799
So six businesses. Now remember those
six businesses here are going to see I

662
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:35,359
might have 200 rooms.
>> Can you give me that number again?

663
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:40,319
» 335K for six businesses. This is their
current TLT.

664
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:42,079
» This is actual data from calendar year
last year.

665
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:47,920
» Out of the TLT.
>> Yes. Yes. Actually taken in by the city.

666
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:52,559
» This brings up part of the discussion
that we haven't had, which is that

667
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,520
people who have short-term rentals are
bringing going to be bringing in more

668
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,599
money,
right?

669
00:58:56,319 --> 00:59:03,200
» In theory.
>> And would we want to be in conversation

670
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:07,280
with them? Oh, I think everybody who
pays TLT should be included. Now,

671
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,400
whether or not they choose to
participate, I don't know because many

672
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:20,640
of them have vacation rentals like AASA
or um Airbnb or, you know, other

673
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:25,760
organizations. So, a lot of the owners
don't even manage their properties, but

674
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:30,079
they absolutely I think that they should
be part of the conversation. It will

675
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,000
impact them, too. Justin and I have had
some discussions about how to move

676
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:40,400
forward with this. This is step one and
then when to get um some folks involved

677
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:44,559
so that we can be open and transparent
uh as to what's coming down and give

678
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:48,079
people the opportunity to speak. So, uh,
once we get this through the budget,

679
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:51,760
then we'll move into adopting that
budget through the city council and at

680
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,720
that time we'll start having
conversation,

681
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,280
uh, and getting them involved in the
process for us to develop the ordinance

682
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:04,640
that would be needed to establish this
house.

683
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:09,119
So, I was surprised that the houses were
close to 40% that was that much because

684
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,559
that's seemed like more than we
anticipated at last meeting. 72

685
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:22,400
Some of them have one rental
that they only rent. The ordinance

686
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:26,720
requires them to rent at least once. And
so they will have one rental a year. One

687
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:32,000
night,
>> one night.

688
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:37,200
» Just to make sure that their $36 in tax
for the whole year.

689
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:41,440
» They also have paid $600 for the year
>> and they have to pay that

690
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:46,079
» for the permit fee.
Now, is that transferable?

691
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:53,520
» It's not transferable if they sell the
property. It's only transferable is at

692
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:56,400
the time of the permit, they had uh like
multiple means like it was a

693
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:03,839
» family
>> or a family member that was like death.

694
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:07,680
Yeah, I'm trying to think of the word,
>> but it's

695
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:12,640
» inheritance.
There are a few ways that they can be

696
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:17,680
passed, but selling never. Yeah, we made
a decision on that last year and year

697
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:23,760
before. It's not it's not it's been in
place for

698
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:27,680
» well we had um we had a situation a year
and a half ago where we had like five

699
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:32,720
owners and what they were wanting to do
was transfer their ownership and

700
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:36,240
everybody else stays and then they you
know they eventually what you could end

701
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:41,760
up with is your original five owners are
completely gone and it's completely new

702
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:46,240
group of five owners and uh I think we I
can't remember the exact circumstances

703
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:49,920
but I remember we No, because that could
mean perpetually,

704
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:55,760
you know, doing it and that wasn't the
intent.

705
01:01:52,240 --> 01:02:01,520
So again, tonight this whole process of
looking at the TLT and approving this

706
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:05,839
budget um is simply
an acknowledgement from the budget

707
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:10,880
committee that that this is the way that
city staff are going to proceed forward

708
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:16,079
in order to have a balanced budget next
year and that we do still have to go

709
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:20,319
through the city council process. We
still have to go through, you know,

710
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:25,680
public hearings. We still have to go
through readings. Uh I think as much um

711
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:30,640
involvement that we get with the
businesses to hear what they have to

712
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:37,119
say. Um
and and the percentage is not even

713
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:45,319
defined at this point. We've put 15% in
to balance the budget, but it doesn't

714
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:45,319
have to be 15% when the ordinance isn't.

715
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:52,559
» It could be lower than that. Um, that's
>> right.

716
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:58,240
And that's not starting until the spring
of next January,

717
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:03,680
» right? Okay. But if if let's say that we
were able to fast track this, I do

718
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:08,640
believe that I read that it could be
effective as early as June 1st. We could

719
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:13,280
if we were if we were
>> you can implement it. You just can't get

720
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:17,200
any the revenue can't go into effect
until January one.

721
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:23,440
» Okay. So you can implement the ordinance
anytime you want. It's just you can't

722
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,119
can't collect any additional funds.
>> Yeah.

723
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:29,599
» Okay. Thank you.
>> So we're on top of it at this point.

724
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:35,039
» Yeah. We're out of it.
>> And her plan is a good one in regards to

725
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:38,480
what the state is saying would be able
to

726
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,640
howling.
So,

727
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,839
» okay,
>> the rest of the wrestling

728
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:48,799
» we don't have any other ideas on the
table, do we for balancing the budget

729
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,480
besides this?
>> Uh, nothing that's

730
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,559
not painful.
>> I mean, we all we all seem to agree that

731
01:03:54,319 --> 01:04:01,839
this seems like a good idea, but this so
far is the only idea we can discuss.

732
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:08,079
Well, I mean you you can do options like
local levy options where you can go to

733
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:13,160
the voters and ask them to support or
tax.

734
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,160
» That seems like a

735
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,440
do
home

736
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:26,000
fee.
>> You can do a utility fee if it's

737
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:29,599
defined. Um and those are things that we
may have to consider. that this is a

738
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,599
good start.
>> Closes the budget gap.

739
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:37,200
» Yeah.
>> And next year able to do that plus some

740
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:40,799
more depending on how we handle it.
>> And we're still going to have to have

741
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:45,359
some discussions with the folks about
Gearart about some other funding moving

742
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:51,760
forward if we continue on this path.
>> What's a utility fee? It's where you put

743
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:57,359
it on uh the water utility meter and
there's an additional $5 fee per month

744
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:01,960
or two months that goes for a specific
purpose as defined by the city council.

745
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:10,599
» Yeah. that came in.
what it sounds like if you're full-time

746
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,599
resistant.

747
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:22,000
I I heard about it about a year ago on
the I'm on the sit on the housing task

748
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:29,119
force for the city council and uh we had
presentation because uh

749
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:34,640
uh Vancouver BC was the presentation was
a planner who helped Vancouver BC do

750
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:39,039
that because uh you know several years
ago you went into Vancouver they've got

751
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:44,559
all these highrises that are dark
because nobody's in them and took took

752
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:50,559
up the whole downtown where
people lived

753
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:55,119
and that was how they saw that.
>> Well, looking at it right now, there's

754
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,799
been a couple of articles in the
newspaper about empty home tax. That's

755
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:04,880
what they were calling it. Um,
>> a lot of communities use levies, which

756
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:10,880
is for a short period of time, five
years, and usually or communities buy

757
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:14,880
into those because there's an end and
there's a responsible use.

758
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:18,559
» That's what the schools do,
>> right?

759
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:22,880
» But raising tax year
>> is almost impossible. It's never really

760
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:28,880
been done in Oregon where you have your
permanent tax goers and say, "We'd like

761
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:33,200
to go from a dollar to $2."
that that's permanent tax and they they

762
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:36,880
never did what they did. So, we got some
other ideas of things we need to talk

763
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:40,079
about, but this is a good start.
>> Well, I know last year at this time we

764
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:44,960
talked about putting together a
committee just to explore revenue

765
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:49,760
sources on this and I I'm one that if
you're going to ask me to pay more, I'm

766
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:53,839
going to ask you, you know, did you
leave any money on the table? what

767
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,920
other, you know, have you exhausted or
the other, you know, are you, you know,

768
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,920
every city I've ever lived in, if you
want to do a rental, not a short-term

769
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:06,960
rental, but any kind of rental, you had
to have a business license. And I know

770
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:10,640
we've had a couple problems with rental
rental homes here in town that are not

771
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:14,319
being run to code that that would help
us identify where they are and whether

772
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:17,440
they're rental and you could still get a
little bit of a fee. And I'm not saying

773
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:22,559
that's not someone's fault, but so you
have this money and then you look at

774
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:25,599
your um all system development fees and
that's not all that much money, but put

775
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:29,920
together that now we're starting to
build a little bit more. So I think we

776
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:34,480
look at this as a holistic. I think we
put together a committee and and that we

777
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:42,839
really do a deep dive into this and I
think we need to do it starting uh soon

778
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:42,839
soon.

779
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,400
Yeah.

780
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:55,039
I guess a question about the revenue
sharing. Sure. I was just kind of

781
01:07:51,839 --> 01:08:04,319
reading the back of the back of the
staff report and um

782
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:13,039
I think I've troubled a little bit uh by
not having line item next year

783
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:19,120
that would allow us if we want to
partner say with Trails End or

784
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:23,759
» well I think St. existent or C there.
>> But I think what would happen honestly

785
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:28,560
is is you would take the state revenue
share budget you would take the budget

786
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:35,040
number 45 you would look at it in the
budget and all the expenditures would

787
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:39,120
move to non-EP departmental
just as they are. You could still have

788
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:43,600
the grants, you'd still have
celebration. The line items would stay

789
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:48,480
the same. they would just move to the
general fund under non-dep departmental

790
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:51,839
category.
>> Same line items.

791
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:55,759
» And those non-EP departmental could be
anything that we design.

792
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:59,279
» We we have that already in there and
it's and some of those items we've

793
01:08:57,839 --> 01:09:03,920
already moved over to state revenue
share like the muppets and you know we

794
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:09,040
would just move all of that back and put
it in non-EP departmental. It's just

795
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:15,199
that now the revenue goes into the
general fund. So the grants wouldn't be

796
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:21,040
necessarily tied to the state revenue
share. It would be like for some reason

797
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:26,400
if TLT this that this works out and we
end up getting $300,000 more. It might

798
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:30,960
be that we're back to being able to say,
you know, we can give $15,000 this year.

799
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,279
We're just not sweating bullets because
the state changed the PSU formula and

800
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:39,839
now we don't have enough money to give
it because we were here and now we're

801
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:44,480
here and we were locked into the state
revenue share and we don't have the

802
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:51,759
money to pay it. Now it lumps in and it
doesn't become this weird tie thing.

803
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,520
But they would stay my intent would be
to take every single thing that exists

804
01:09:53,600 --> 01:10:00,480
there and just move it straight into the
non-denom non departmental budget in the

805
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,120
general fund.
>> So would a would a process similar

806
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:09,520
» same exact
>> similar process?

807
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:16,080
» It could be exact same process. Yes.
>> And other cities have put like Atoria

808
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:21,520
has put uh specific grants tied which
they consider to promoting your hard.

809
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:25,679
they have put those in the TLT
um statemandated

810
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,679
uh and that's something that a committee
could just you know they they might want

811
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:34,000
to give some kind of grant like does
North Coast Land Conservancy want to do

812
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:38,320
bird watching or do they want to do
something in your heart and this is an

813
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:44,320
opportunity for them to maybe buy shirts
or buy nets to kind you know catch frogs

814
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:50,560
or something you know that that they can
come and ask for that and then that can

815
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:54,000
be TLT money But it wouldn't be. We
would move them over to non-EP

816
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:59,320
departmental and they would have a line
item just like they do now. Okay. Yes.

817
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:05,679
» Are are we in the part of the agenda
where we're having general discussion?

818
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,280
» Oh, we can move there. I just
>> I don't know.

819
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:14,320
» The only um we had kind of moved to the
state revenue sharing section of my

820
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:18,960
staff report. Um, I don't necessarily
feel the need to read it since you had

821
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:23,199
access to it unless you have specific
questions. It's kind of things we've

822
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:28,880
talked about. My only thing would be
that um we decide at least by consensus

823
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:33,120
that I can move the state revenue share
over to the general fund

824
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:39,360
» so that when you see the budget the next
time for the 2007208

825
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:44,320
fiscal year the state revenue share will
be a revenue item line on the revenue

826
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:50,480
page and will all the expenditures will
be moved into the non-EP departmental.

827
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:54,800
So, you need a a motion right now for
>> not a motion. Just my consensus that we

828
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,840
decide that that's okay for me to do
that.

829
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:01,960
Okay.
>> I consent.

830
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:01,960
» I consent.

831
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,920
» And if we don't like it, we can move it
back. But

832
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,920
» no problem.
>> I think it's better.

833
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:16,880
» Makes it easier. And then the other
thing is just to kind of transition

834
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:23,600
to to clarify and help just kind of talk
about um do I the budget officer

835
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:31,199
proposed $4,000
um to go to the state revenue shared

836
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:34,719
grants? Uh does anybody
uh I mean do you agree with that or

837
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:39,920
would you like to talk about changing
that dollar amount?

838
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:45,760
And we can change it while we're doing
it too. I just by consensus maybe if we

839
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:50,640
could just start with the 4,000 and then
talk about

840
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:57,679
it's not permanent at that point. It's
just a starting point. Let me put it up

841
01:12:52,640 --> 01:13:01,600
on the screen. We have it in there maybe
just

842
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:09,280
so I consent.
>> I consent. Okay. Good. And then we can

843
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:12,159
transition into budget
>> committee discussion.

844
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,880
» We need the I need this final motion
right at the bottom.

845
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:19,960
» Not not until the end.
>> Yeah, that's just the help.

846
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,960
» Got it.

847
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,120
» Okay.

848
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:31,040
Uh, the one thing I want to say that I
didn't have my staff report that I

849
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:36,640
wanted to add is that I did have a
budget committee member call and ask me

850
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:45,120
about um
what it was that I felt like the uh city

851
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:50,239
what I would ideally like to see the
goal of the reserve amount. And so

852
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:54,159
having a conversation with this person,
they were looking at the revenue and

853
01:13:51,840 --> 01:14:00,560
expenditures report that I had handed
out and they were specifically looking

854
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:05,520
at the last page of that document. So
this document, they were specifically

855
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:12,239
interested in this back page. They were
specifically interested in the revenues

856
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:18,159
minus the expenditures, what the net
income was, which they see that which is

857
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:22,000
accurate. is is you know at this this
moment this is how much money we had at

858
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:26,960
the bank
which is true and so they were asking me

859
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:31,600
what what do you want to see this
doesn't look like we're in trouble we

860
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:35,520
have $2.6 $6 million. What What do you
think that that number should be?

861
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:38,560
» Just seeing just Hang on. Was that part
of our pack?

862
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:41,040
» It was. Yeah, I'm looking for the same
document.

863
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:45,440
» I don't
document.

864
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:50,400
» Yeah, I must.
>> It didn't come in this one. It was last

865
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:56,800
» right.
>> I don't think I've ever seen that.

866
01:14:53,440 --> 01:15:00,400
» And it was just a guidance document.
>> It was right here. I wrote nine months

867
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,360
on it
>> when we had the last

868
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:09,640
» I I remember seeing it but for whatever
reason I

869
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,640
» just ending it.

870
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:14,520
» You got it.

871
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:22,159
» Oh, you got it.
>> Okay. So, this was just it it wasn't

872
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,520
relevant to the current budget other
than just a supporting document, but

873
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:30,400
this budget committee member called and
said, "Oh, well, we have $2.9 million. I

874
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,400
feel like that that seems like we're
adequate. We're not poor. This doesn't

875
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:38,480
mean that we're in red." And that's
accurate. It doesn't mean that we're in

876
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:44,000
red. But when I look at this document, I
never look at this document as one

877
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:48,320
document. Each one of these are vitally
important funds and vitally different.

878
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:52,800
That's why they're presented in the
budget that way. So I look at the

879
01:15:50,320 --> 01:16:00,480
general fund. I look at the expenditures
which is the 1.9 million and I look at

880
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:05,679
the revenues for that fund,
not as a whole because the reserve funds

881
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:11,679
are in there and we don't spend those,
right? So it's it's like they need to be

882
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:16,000
in there. It's the ones that we pay on a
daily basis, like am I going to be able

883
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:21,600
to pay the power bill because the
general fund revenues exceed the

884
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:27,199
expenditures. So I look at each one
independently.

885
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:33,040
And so I I told them, I don't know if I
can have like the dream number for you,

886
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:40,080
but I'm just going to give you just a
brief description of what I felt like I

887
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:43,760
look for. So for me, the most important
place in the whole world is the general

888
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:47,840
fund because it's mainly where we pay
most of the people and most of the

889
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:52,239
operating expenses come from. It's where
we pay our light bill. It's where we pay

890
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:57,120
our gas. It's really the majority of our
general operating budget. This is my

891
01:16:54,560 --> 01:17:02,159
cash flow. So every month I keep a cash
flow of what I think our revenues is and

892
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:07,440
what our expenditures are. And then I
put the actuals in hoping that at the

893
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:15,840
end we're going to be positive. So I try
to keep this going. So ideally what I

894
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:22,800
look for and and my goal would be is
that the general fund would be 3 months

895
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:27,040
operating expense. That's what I would
like to see. So 3 months operating

896
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:33,360
expense of the general fund would be
about 540,000.

897
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:38,239
If you look at page one of the budget
and look at the beginning fund balance,

898
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:44,640
it's 207,000.
So 207 versus 500.

899
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,640
The auditors would like to see six
months.

900
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:50,239
» Yeah. See, I was going to say they
always say they have six months.

901
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:55,600
» Yeah. They think, you know, if we wanted
a outstanding bond rating, if something

902
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:02,960
bad happened, they would say they would
want to say six months, which would be

903
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:08,400
like a million dollars. Then if we
strive for our goal, which really my

904
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:13,840
goal is please let us have 10%.
Let's let's have a little bit of extra.

905
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:18,159
Then it would be 216,000
and we put two, you know, I'm thinking

906
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:23,679
we're going to be at 207. So that's
where we want to be. But that means that

907
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:30,480
people in their regular budget have to
not spend all of their money.

908
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:36,960
So 10%'s our goal. Ideally, I would love
to see three months, but ultimately the

909
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:41,440
auditors and standard and board would
like to see six months. That would be in

910
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:46,080
the general fund and that would be in
the operating fund. Same kind of thing.

911
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:52,159
I'd like to see three months. We had a
water consultant come and help us. He

912
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:56,080
said he would like to see three months.
Auditors would like to see six months

913
01:18:54,239 --> 01:19:02,400
and standards and pores would like to
see that we have six months. the actual

914
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:10,560
reserve funds. So the like the water
reserve, the police car reserve, the

915
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:20,600
fire apparatus, those are bonus funds
and they they show um

916
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:20,600
growth and they show uh good stewardship

917
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:28,080
» and but there's no requirement. the
higher they are, the higher the bond

918
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:33,520
rating is, but there's no requirement
that they have to be a certain level.

919
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:39,520
So, I don't I don't necessarily look at
those as like a priority except the

920
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:44,480
departments would argue because if they
need a police car every 5 years and

921
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:48,800
we're only putting $3,500 in there
because that's the only extra money we

922
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:55,440
have, they're not going to get a police
car for a lot of years because $3,500 is

923
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:58,960
going to take a lot of years in order to
be able to buy. Each one of those

924
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:04,320
reserve accounts are set up by an
ordinance to be specifically spent in a

925
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:08,000
certain way by the city council. And so
we can't just spend the money without

926
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:11,360
going to the council first. We go with a
request and say that it fits between

927
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:15,920
that ordinance that you had originally
set it up. Your heart's been unique in

928
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:20,560
the past on having these reserve
accounts. Many cities do not. So when we

929
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:26,800
went to go buy a police car, we could
pay in cash rather than having to go for

930
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:31,440
a levy or a tax rate increase. And in
the past, Dear Heart's Reserve accounts

931
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:35,679
were in pretty good shape. Every 3
years, we could buy a new police car.

932
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:39,600
Every 5 to 10 years, we could buy a new
fire truck. Well, we haven't been able

933
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:45,760
to put the money into those reserve
accounts, but yet we've been spending it

934
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:48,960
because we needed to. Just a little
background.

935
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Well, and it's the only way that you can
actually take a surplus

936
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:58,480
and and and
distribute it into the reserve funds,

937
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:03,679
» which is fiscally responsible for a city
to do and we've been in a good good

938
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:09,120
shape of that up until
>> recently. So, just that was kind of a

939
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:13,760
long answer to her question because it
was important to me because ending fund

940
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:19,520
balances, which are beginning fund
balances matter because they're what

941
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:24,800
support and if you if you have a zero
balance moving forward, you run the risk

942
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:31,199
of being negative and we can't afford
that. So, that that was kind of I don't

943
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:36,239
look at it as that back number. is the
number because that number includes all

944
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:42,080
the reserve funds. I look at each one of
those funds independently with their

945
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:47,199
revenues and their expenditures and some
of them have a lot of transactions and

946
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:52,719
those are the ones I focus on. And the
water reserve, this was a graph that he

947
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:58,239
had given us for the consultant. This is
where we were when we hired the

948
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:04,159
consultant. We did a transfer to bring
us up to here and and we're right here

949
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:11,600
right now. And the water reserve I think
we're carrying forward. I wrote it down.

950
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:17,520
Um we put on page 16 of the budget the
beginning fund balance we're going to

951
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:22,800
carry forward 205. And he says in 2026
we we should be at 206. So, we're

952
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:28,239
exactly where he says we should be with
rate increases because we were so low

953
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,719
that we went up and then we knew we were
going to drop down and move back up with

954
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:36,560
rate increases and all of the things
that we're doing to try to improve that.

955
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:41,600
So, we're right on target of where we
should be. We don't have three months,

956
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:46,639
but we're, you know, we're getting close
closer than the general.

957
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:51,280
Well, Jesse, this discussion we've just
had is very much what I've been thinking

958
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:56,480
about because I want to pass.
>> So, just to flesh it out a little bit

959
01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:01,199
more. Um, the general shortfall we've
been talking about and that we want to

960
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:07,120
use transient tax to supplement and
other ideas that really is specific to

961
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,760
the general fund. Correct.
>> Pretty much only,

962
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:15,280
» right? Yes. Yes. And when we're talking
about a budgetary shortfall or potential

963
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,880
shortfall or getting skinny,
>> correct?

964
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:20,800
» It's the general fund.
>> Correct.

965
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:27,040
» So in that regard, all the other funds
are they and you alluded to this, but to

966
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:32,560
ask a more specific question, are they
generally healthy in your mind? I

967
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:35,040
mentioned the police, you know, 3500
bucks.

968
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,920
» Well, the water reserve, the reserve
accounts are different though. I mean,

969
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:42,239
they are beneficial and they're
important, but they don't have something

970
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:46,080
pulling out of them all the time that
you can't eat.

971
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:50,239
» And do we have enough reserves in those
funds for those specific needs?

972
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,760
» No.
>> Right.

973
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:57,040
» No, we do not.
>> Okay.

974
01:23:52,480 --> 01:24:00,400
» All of the the fire apparatus and the um
police reserve

975
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,679
building
>> by and and

976
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:10,080
» a new fire engine is a million.
>> Sure. uh new police cars 5560,000.

977
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:16,400
So the other one that gives me hair on
the back of my neck is is that the

978
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:20,400
building fund we are negative and so we
the budget committee last year for

979
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:26,960
$10,000 transfer
>> again this year we have it in there to

980
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:33,920
support them and every month they make
me scared that we're not going to meet

981
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:40,320
revenues and expenditures because and
they do go negative but I know a

982
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:44,639
payment's coming in So I I
>> sweat bullets knowing whether or not

983
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:48,800
they're going to be negative or
positive. They used to be in the general

984
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:52,320
fund. So it was like the state revenue
share, right? So I didn't have to sweat

985
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:57,440
bullets over it because they could
compensate. But because we have a third

986
01:24:55,120 --> 01:25:01,679
party independent, the state made us
pull that out and put it in a special

987
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:06,000
revenue fund and said, "Hey, you need to
make this work. you need to treat this

988
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:12,400
like an enterprise fund and you need to
charge enough fees in order to make it.

989
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:17,520
And at this point there are times we
carried to over $12,000 last year for

990
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:22,000
the year before but we we made it right
by $12,000 but I was sweating bullets

991
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,560
and this year there are months that we
have been negative.

992
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:28,560
» What fun number is this?
>> 40.

993
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:34,639
» Oh this is 40. And the reason is that I
mean we don't have we don't have vacant

994
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:38,480
lots here where they're building new
houses.

995
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:43,679
You know most of the most of the
construction that happens in this town

996
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:46,679
are you know remodels and those kinds of
things.

997
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:57,040
» So so we could ostensively increase
building permit fees.

998
01:25:53,600 --> 01:26:01,120
» Yes. And that could help. And what I
what I would I I would suggest that we

999
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:06,320
look at that other people are looking at
that and my listening would suggest that

1000
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:10,639
that is something because we don't have
a choice. We cannot let that be

1001
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:15,120
negative. So what that means is we
either have to reduce staff in there

1002
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:22,480
because we have a partial staff person
in there or we have to um figure out a

1003
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:29,440
way to supplement through transfers or
other things. And uh it's you know it's

1004
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:33,440
not necessarily a bad thing because we
have to provide that service but it

1005
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:37,600
takes away that's $10,000 we're putting
towards the building fund and not 10,000

1006
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:41,760
we're putting towards other reserve
funds that we need.

1007
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:45,840
» So staff time is used whether or not it
results in income in

1008
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:50,000
» Yes. So when somebody calls and says oh
I want can I build an 8ft fence and

1009
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:54,400
you're talking on the phone no you can
only build a sixoot fence. Oh, but a one

1010
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:57,440
penny bird. You spend 35 minutes with
this person and then two hours later

1011
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:02,719
they come down and you have to show them
the GIS map and then you have to show

1012
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:08,239
nothing. You get zero dollars for that.
>> And that's there's no way to cover any

1013
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:12,400
of that. You know, there's a way to
cover a staff time like if they have

1014
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:16,400
come in and they are planning a
development and you sit down and you do

1015
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:19,440
pre-planning meetings and you have them
come in and we charge for here's time

1016
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:24,639
and we charge for the city
administrators charge and we charge for

1017
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:31,360
that. But just general questions about
oh what's the lots of realators right is

1018
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:36,000
is this can we build a multi-dwelling
home on this house? Can we, you know,

1019
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:40,239
just lots of questions like that that
and some of them are obscure

1020
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:46,320
questions,
lots of wetlands questions and it kind

1021
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:52,800
of bleeds over to planning, but mainly
it has to do with they want to develop

1022
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:58,080
it. So, it has to do with a structure.
>> Now, do we run the risk of even more

1023
01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:04,320
income here as the community gets built
out and we have potential? Well,

1024
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:08,880
potentially no, because the the the
expense we expense out, large majority

1025
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:12,960
of it is for the inspector.
>> So, if he's not inspecting, we don't pay

1026
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:16,239
him.
>> Okay,

1027
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:20,719
» that's one of the saving graces for Dear
Hart, yet it's still expensive. If we

1028
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:26,239
had a full-time employee to take care of
that issue and then permit, new permits

1029
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:31,440
coming in went way down, we would still
be paying that full-time employee. So

1030
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:37,760
essentially we pay 75% of the permit
fees to our contract

1031
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:40,000
» which only leaves 25% of support partial
staff person

1032
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:41,760
» which is Angelina.
>> Yeah.

1033
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,719
» Okay.
>> And we're really I mean this I've worked

1034
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:51,840
with this guy. We're really fortunate to
have Leonard as our building official.

1035
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:55,920
He comes all the way till
>> you know I mean the guy really knows

1036
01:28:53,520 --> 01:29:01,440
what he's doing. He he's a pleasure to
work with from a contractor standpoint.

1037
01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:05,600
Um if you've got a problem, you know, he
doesn't it isn't my well this is the

1038
01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:10,480
code, you know, it's let's see what the
intent of the code is. I mean he's been

1039
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:16,480
around for a long long time and he
doesn't need any old search.

1040
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:20,320
Well, I mean, I get your idea because to
me, I equate that to if somebody puts in

1041
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:24,719
a public record request or whatever you
call it here. Um, you say, "Let me look

1042
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:28,639
at that and I'm going to tell you how
much it's possible for me to go around

1043
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:30,880
and collect all that information." They
have to pay for your staff time to do

1044
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,960
that.
>> Correct.

1045
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:39,280
» And essentially, these people are using
you as their researchers instead of

1046
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:44,639
going through getting legal advice. So,
they should be paying you for it. And we

1047
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:49,040
do public records requests. We do charge
them if it takes any time

1048
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:53,120
» and if it's going to be a difficult
>> public records request, but if they're

1049
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,719
just calling for an inquiry,
>> how tall is a fence?

1050
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,840
» We don't check how far is the boundary
line. Then you say, "Well, what property

1051
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:04,000
is?" And then you pull it up and there's
like 50 things about that piece of

1052
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:08,320
property is why it doesn't have a house
on my neighbor. So, we're at the point

1053
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:11,920
where we would need to set up a system
where we say, "Okay, we'll schedule you

1054
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:14,639
for an appointment. We figure that'll
take

1055
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:17,520
» an hour. That'll take half an hour and
this is what this is what it will cost

1056
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:23,520
you."
>> The problem is you get 12 realers

1057
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:27,600
calling you for a five minute question.
>> That's 60 minutes.

1058
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:31,280
» Because as soon as the property comes
on, everybody's calling about it.

1059
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:35,679
» Or my neighbors building a fence that I
think is too tall. Or can they mow out

1060
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:39,520
in the dunes? or is that fence in the
correct position? You know, those are

1061
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:44,800
very simple things that could be
>> But if we can quantify any amount of

1062
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:47,679
time, we do build them.
>> We do build them.

1063
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:51,920
» I'd like to talk to you about whether or
not we can develop this land next to the

1064
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:54,880
neoxoxy in the pickum zone. Oh yeah,
we'll set that meeting up and just let

1065
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:58,719
you know it's going to cost establish a
minimum. It's you're going to be charged

1066
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,800
for 15 minute and 15 minute increments
or you're going to be charging half hour

1067
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:03,120
and less time.
>> How about lawyers? They charge every 10

1068
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:07,440
minutes.
>> Well, there you go. And

1069
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:09,360
» well, I mean, we just we set we set the
playing rules and everybody has to play

1070
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,480
by
>> or six minutes. I think it's six

1071
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:16,000
» because really we have no other choice
because at this point we're not, you

1072
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:19,440
know, we're going to have to pay for
additional stuff that we can't afford

1073
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:26,080
and a lot of information is available
online a lot. So they just are choosing

1074
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:28,719
not to use it.
>> Are there other funds that keep you up

1075
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:33,840
at night?
>> No. Building fund is my other one. out

1076
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:39,199
of the general fund.
>> Well, yeah, general fund.

1077
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:45,760
» Yeah. Now, will increases in the general
fund by virtue of tax, uh the money that

1078
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:50,239
we have discretion over, could it be
used to move it out, transfer,

1079
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:54,639
» right? Which one would be the goal?
>> To start back in a program where we're

1080
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:59,360
making enough money to
>> fulfill our obligatory, right,

1081
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:04,719
» just standard of living things that keep
going up, right? And we can still put

1082
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:10,639
things to transfer because we
>> putting transfers. The goal wouldn't be

1083
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:16,239
to have this to in my opinion to have a
million dollars sitting there in the

1084
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:21,520
ending fund balance. My goal would to be
$500,000 in an ending fund balance and

1085
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:26,000
our reserve funds to be robust.
>> Right?

1086
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:32,639
» In the end, the equation is the same.
when you look at the equation, if those

1087
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:37,679
two equal were strong versus having one
stronger than the other.

1088
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:41,920
So that would be my goal.
Well, you can always do the fund

1089
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:51,159
transfers, too, right? Yes.
>> The problem is that the base tax rate

1090
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:51,159
here is $1.5 cent per thousand.

1091
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:57,520
Okay?
And

1092
01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:02,639
you know, everybody wants services and
everything else. I mean, PERS is going

1093
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:10,960
up 6% a year,
>> more than that.

1094
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:18,000
» But the revenue isn't going up six.
So, we need to figure out

1095
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:22,120
what it is we can do in order to
keep up with with the expenses.

1096
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:27,440
test.
>> Yeah.

1097
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:33,840
» In fund 79 on page 32
um in the year 2024 25

1098
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:41,679
we spent 217,000
changed for Catholic for the public

1099
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:49,159
safety. So is that what would invest in
the whole planning process for the it

1100
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:49,159
turned out to be the $30 million?

1101
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,159
» Uh yes
>> the $30 million design or the one before

1102
01:33:55,440 --> 01:34:00,480
as well.
>> I I think that would have been the

1103
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:05,120
cottages. We didn't really pay
architects. This is like um Clash and

1104
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:10,400
the architects,
>> right? That was what So, we spent

1105
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:12,719
roughly $200,000 to move that project
forward.

1106
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:18,719
» Correct.
>> And then people complained that we

1107
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:23,360
shouldn't have spent all that money and
now they're complaining that we haven't

1108
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:29,760
told them what we want to build. We
should spend money to get a design. Is

1109
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:34,639
that how this is all? That is exactly
we've hired professionals to get input

1110
01:34:32,719 --> 01:34:38,080
and to make sure that what we were doing
was

1111
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,960
» validated and transparent.
>> Correct.

1112
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:44,320
» That didn't pass. And now we're offering
a different idea. They're saying, "Well,

1113
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:48,800
where are the plans,
>> right? And we never you don't get plans

1114
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:52,080
until
where are the design?"

1115
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:56,560
» Even then, the $30 million project was
not a full design. And that would cost

1116
01:34:53,520 --> 01:35:00,400
almost a million dollars to get
we have a partial plan.

1117
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:08,320
» Yeah.
>> So is there any merit to the comments

1118
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:12,000
that came in by eating elf that um
in pursuit of the city's public safety

1119
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:16,639
building we're under the impression
emergency and cash reserves have been

1120
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:25,040
drawn down to very precarious levels.
not from I think it's a sematics thing

1121
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:31,040
in the sense where um because in this
particular fund we never made transfers

1122
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:39,440
to any of the other funds. So this fund
did not support um if you look at the

1123
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:44,719
beginning fund balance in 2023 2024 that
beginning fund balance was in that fund.

1124
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:50,400
So, kind of like we talked about, it was
in here. It wasn't going anywhere else,

1125
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:54,159
» but it's been spent
drawn down.

1126
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:56,239
» Yes. But it wasn't doing that didn't
affect our general fund,

1127
01:35:55,679 --> 01:36:00,639
» right?
>> It didn't affect that fund at all in any

1128
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:06,080
way.
>> But I think what they're trying to say

1129
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:11,760
is we could have been putting that money
>> but not easily into

1130
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:15,639
the the reserve other reserve funds.
Elsewhere.

1131
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:15,639
» Elsewhere.

1132
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:25,600
» Okay. I'm good. Thank you.
>> Any other discussions

1133
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:32,000
items
of the budget?

1134
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:36,400
» Um, this isn't this is a ton of money,
but um

1135
01:36:34,639 --> 01:36:40,800
I can't remember how much money is on
our account right now for the expenses

1136
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:48,000
for elected officials. I think it's
$5,500. It's generally $5,500. Our

1137
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:52,239
existing budget as of April. I I think
we get to the end of the year and we we

1138
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:57,119
never use that much.
I think that that depends upon how many

1139
01:36:54,639 --> 01:37:03,199
we did have a couple cancellations of
some workshops that people went were not

1140
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:09,360
going to that ended up go didn't go. So
I think it's misleading. Um, my

1141
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:14,719
» I just want to confirm that you still
think that's an appropriate amount.

1142
01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:19,440
» Uh, if anything, it's it might not be
enough money if people decide to

1143
01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:26,239
continue to go.
I mean, it's hard to go anywhere in the

1144
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:33,199
state, get reimbursed for your lodging
and your mileage

1145
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:39,520
for two to three days for an annual
meeting for less than a thousand. And so

1146
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:46,719
the budget is basically one trip per
counselor per year.

1147
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:55,360
» And so in 2324 we spent 5,000. In 2425,
we spent 6,000 and we have 5,500 in.

1148
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:59,040
» Okay. I'm I'm just confirming. I'm I'm
not ready to resolute.

1149
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:04,080
» Are those monies cumulative?
>> No. Each year it rolls over in the

1150
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:08,800
beginning balance.
>> So,

1151
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:12,960
» can't go to Hawaii.
>> Some some counselors have gone on trips

1152
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:18,040
to see like maybe they have TLT tax
there.

1153
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:18,040
Not our counselors

1154
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,560
say

1155
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:28,480
or not.
>> So we do

1156
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:34,159
need to allocate funds. Do do does
anybody like a break before we

1157
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:38,639
transition into that or feel good enough
to go? Okay.

1158
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:44,080
» Okay.
>> So we're going in for revenue sharing

1159
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:50,719
» if you feel comfortable. I think we're
good to go. Christie can put the um

1160
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:54,560
spreadsheet up on the screen.
>> Yes, it's

1161
01:38:53,760 --> 01:39:02,239
» okay.
>> And then as you see fit um what we just

1162
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:06,080
do as a starting point because um from
past experience we've learned sometimes

1163
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:09,080
it can be difficult to get the ball
rolling.

1164
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:17,760
» Not much. asking specific questions for
that.

1165
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:21,600
» Yeah, our police police chief need and
maybe our fire

1166
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:29,960
any questions specifically for them
before we move move on

1167
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,960
or they can be excused.

1168
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:37,440
» Yeah.
>> Um we we took a pretty good hit this

1169
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:41,040
year on our budget. Um, for the police
department, I know I'm looking at about

1170
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:45,199
24,000ish
uh of materials and services. I can

1171
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:49,280
speak for myself on this. We'll make
that happen. That's okay. I get it. Uh,

1172
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:55,360
we're going to do what we need to do.
Um, however, for as we talked about

1173
01:39:51,920 --> 01:40:00,080
earlier with the uh vehicle reserve
fund, that's kind of important and we

1174
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:04,480
had to take a hit on that. Chad kind of
mentioned this to get our vehicles

1175
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:10,320
actually patrol ready. when I first got
here, that was a cut into that fund. Um,

1176
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:16,480
the laptops that we had to use to switch
to our new system, that was a cut into

1177
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:21,679
that fund. Um, we really will need some
money in those reserve funds. Um, and I

1178
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,840
know we're you guys are about to to come
together and determine what what kind of

1179
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:29,840
money needs to go where, right? And I
got some really good or organizations in

1180
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:35,760
our community that deserve what they can
get and they are doing a great a great

1181
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:40,480
job. Uh however, right right now it
feels like it maybe we can put that

1182
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:45,440
money into the reserves. I know that
probably will not be met with uh smiles,

1183
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:50,960
but that being said, I had to say it
because I have to speak up for public

1184
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:58,280
safety. So just uh asking that you know
whatever you can do to see maybe so that

1185
01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:58,280
might be the reserve fund would be nice.

1186
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:04,840
» Thank you.
>> Thank you

1187
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:12,719
for the fire department at the moment.
They've got some repairs that they're

1188
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:19,119
holding off on that they need to do.
I was I was with Hank when he uh went to

1189
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:22,320
go talk to the Royal Fire District and
they were throwing hay makers at him.

1190
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:25,600
So,
he wasn't quite in the field position,

1191
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:28,800
but they weren't happy. So,
>> well, they're paying for

1192
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:32,800
» they're paying they're pay they did tell
me we're paying more and I see people

1193
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:36,719
are paying more.
>> Not only did they pay us, but they also

1194
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:40,760
have to pay forestry whether they have a
tree on their property or not.

1195
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:48,719
And you know it's going to get worse
diesel.

1196
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:54,159
» Yeah.
>> So we just started out the spreadsheet

1197
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:59,840
just doing what we had done before. We
we had seven grant applicants. We just

1198
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:05,440
divided it equally out and then we let
the mayor's time take the hit or give it

1199
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:11,840
some but not the same as the other ones.
There is nothing set in stone here. We

1200
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:17,360
have $35,220
that can be manipulated in here. The

1201
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:26,719
budget officer put where they best felt
like the money was to go, but you guys

1202
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:30,880
can decide how and when
you know how you want this to be

1203
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:36,320
distributed.
So she has just put in the top portion

1204
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:41,600
the materials and supplies but you are
welcome to put in move from the

1205
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:46,560
transfers or move from the ending fund
balance but I would caution you if you

1206
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:49,840
take money from the ending fund balance
please don't put it anywhere that I

1207
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:54,639
might not have be able to give somebody
a grant because that's my cushion

1208
01:42:52,480 --> 01:43:00,000
because I never know exactly how much
money we're going to get. It's just the

1209
01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:06,600
best guess and I would not want to
allocate all I think we're going to get

1210
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:06,600
just in case we go with that.

1211
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:18,719
» Jay, can I throw out an idea?
>> Yes.

1212
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:25,520
» Um, okay. So, uh, first of all, I'm
thinking the people who asked us for

1213
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:33,600
money should get the most attention.
Second of all, if you look at the um

1214
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:39,679
numbers that we got from Helping Hands,
Cedar,

1215
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:46,480
uh the Harbor, and North Coast Food,
they've all got a fairly decent uh net

1216
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:51,199
income.
What I can see, you guys can correct me

1217
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:59,280
if you're wrong. The only people who
don't have uh much of a cushion are

1218
01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:08,239
Trails End and St. Vincent Depal. Those
two organizations are directly connected

1219
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:15,239
to Ghart. So my idea is those are the
two organizations that we give money to.

1220
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,239
It's stronger now.

1221
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:29,119
I've got $500 for each and every one of
them except for the scouting group. I

1222
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:36,719
gave them $150 and I gave $350 to the
North Coast Food Web. But everyone else

1223
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:43,119
is $500 works out to be $3,000
and that's what is then allocated by the

1224
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:47,440
master of money. I think that's fair.
>> And you were saying everybody who turned

1225
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:53,360
in a brand. Yes, I know.
>> Not everybody that's

1226
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:57,280
» everyone who's got an application.
>> Sharon, are you saying everybody who

1227
01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:02,040
turned in an application or everybody
who present it?

1228
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:02,040
» Turn an application.

1229
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,639
» Which the two you want to support did
present?

1230
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:11,239
» Yeah.
>> But they turned in an application.

1231
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:11,239
» Yes.

1232
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:18,440
Show me how that's Oh, you're still
making changes.

1233
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:31,199
» You want to take the mayor's emergency
off?

1234
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:37,280
» You didn't say that. You want me to?
It's thought 150.

1235
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:42,440
You did you didn't you I was trying to
make it make 3,000 is all

1236
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:49,840
» is are we there on
>> it equals 3,000 but she actually

1237
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:56,440
allotted 4,000
>> right

1238
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:56,440
» put in reserve

1239
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:09,520
is there a Is that below what we're
looking at or usually one of the other

1240
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:13,760
thousand?
>> This is how it equals out. There's a

1241
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:18,080
thousand left. You'd have to put it in
one of the three up here.

1242
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:21,600
» But she they can move it down to
recommended transfers.

1243
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:26,639
» Oh, down here. Okay.
>> They could move it down there.

1244
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:29,600
» So, what's the city reserve fund? It
says

1245
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:36,159
105.
>> That is I'm recommending uh 10,500. the

1246
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:40,880
city reserves. And so each one of the
reserve funds, police, car, fire

1247
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:44,119
apparatus, and building reserve would
get 3500.

1248
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:54,320
» I just put a placeholder of 10,500.
Okay. But but if you were to change

1249
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:59,199
that, it it would change depending on
what you approved. I just recommended

1250
01:46:56,719 --> 01:47:03,920
10,500 to those funds, those three
funds.

1251
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:07,239
» I'd make a 12,000. So we take a nice
round amount.

1252
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:14,000
» Could we take that 1,000 then and move
that to that 10 10 five?

1253
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:18,239
» Right. That that that was one suggested.
Correct. You can at this point you have

1254
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:22,880
the freedom to move it around. Later on
it's not as easy when we have to do

1255
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:29,679
appropriations resolutions later on.
This is the one time a year you get a

1256
01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:33,440
chance to move things between sections.
>> Yeah. We don't want it to be a thousand.

1257
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:39,560
We want it to be
>> 115 or 12.

1258
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,560
Yeah.

1259
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:48,080
» You're just trying to get it.
>> I'm trying to get around and it's three

1260
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:54,159
and there's three funds. Correct.
>> There's three funds and the the if I had

1261
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:59,600
to rate them in priority, I would rate
them police car, fire apparatus, and

1262
01:47:56,480 --> 01:48:07,679
building reserve. And I only do that
because the fire apparatus um

1263
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:14,880
is going to take uh more than what we
have. It's and the police have a better

1264
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:22,080
opportunity with the more money they get
in order to buy something quicker.

1265
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:27,239
» What are you suggesting? Three grand.
>> I will suggestions on paper.

1266
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:34,800
the 10,500
$3500 each. Perfect.

1267
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:41,000
» So if you moved it over to the next
column that 10,500 below would be 35

1268
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,000
3535.

1269
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:48,960
» Yeah.
>> Yep.

1270
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:54,239
Is what that's what I recommended. But
that's only because your heart has had a

1271
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:59,920
traditional philosophy of giving grants.
we have an obligation where we have

1272
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:07,119
already put some funds in the community
celebration and event. Um I put a little

1273
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:14,159
bit more money in there because
I would love this to potentially see

1274
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:18,639
Earth Day be resupported. There wasn't
money in there to really do it to the

1275
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:23,679
extent that it potentially was going to
cost us. But we had a lot of interest in

1276
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,800
it.
>> Is that the garbage collection?

1277
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:31,199
» Yes.
>> People really liked it. So I did

1278
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:36,560
increase it. But we also have Fourth of
July

1279
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:41,840
thanks to the um
you know, you never know what activities

1280
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:49,440
are needed. And we have the muts in
there which also is a huge thing for

1281
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:56,639
love. Um if you work in the city hall,
you will um get calls going empty

1282
01:49:54,320 --> 01:50:01,600
every
it's a big deal to them. So it just

1283
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:07,920
tried to spend 30 days
>> about $5,000 a year.

1284
01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:12,800
» That that is one of the questions I I
had that and I talked about that last

1285
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:18,639
year. I don't know if both of those are
that $10,000 material and services. Um

1286
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:21,639
they're
300.

1287
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:27,679
» I will.
So just

1288
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:31,679
you I think you told me the history of
this last year that the that the um

1289
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:36,239
homeowners association said they'd take
care of the dog waste bags and then they

1290
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:44,719
stopped and the city picked it up.
>> Correct. And I don't see I see our fire

1291
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:49,840
and our police departments needing the
money more than people need dog waste

1292
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:52,880
bags. That bothers me.
>> Well, not only that, though. I mean,

1293
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:56,639
when you walk down the ridge path and
everything like that, you they just

1294
01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:59,040
throw them they just throw them in the
in the bushes.

1295
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:02,960
» Yeah.
>> I would like to to mention something

1296
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:06,480
that
>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean they don't you know I

1297
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:08,320
mean
>> you know what they leave them out

1298
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:13,360
anyway.
>> You know what that's the worst

1299
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:18,080
when we have a lot of people that are
visiting our town.

1300
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:23,119
» Um I would like to point out that the
porta potty might be a problem this year

1301
01:51:20,719 --> 01:51:26,639
but if we're all optimistic that that
bond is going to pass. I don't imagine

1302
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:33,360
it's having a porta potty out there
after we remodeled city hall. So that

1303
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:39,800
might be an expense that gets absorbed
at closing

1304
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:39,800
» the septic field here. Take this.

1305
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:47,599
» Are we talking? Uh maybe
>> I'll tell

1306
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:50,719
» maybe maybe.
>> No, I can't take it. It's not

1307
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:55,639
» okay.
>> Operational.

1308
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,639
» Let's get back to state

1309
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:03,360
» septic is
>> Yeah.

1310
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:08,960
I I also think I and I'm every
organization that we support does great

1311
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:20,400
work, but I I took the time to speak
with both Chief Gregory and Hank. And um

1312
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:26,560
I just feel that the 4,000 that you set
aside ought to be going to support our

1313
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:33,360
police and fire instead of our local
organizations this year. I have to say I

1314
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:37,840
agree. I I we are exactly on the same
page. I several of these organizations I

1315
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:43,360
said these were going to be I brought my
checkbook because I intend to um give

1316
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:48,119
them money, but I don't I don't know
that the city has the budget to give

1317
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,119
them money.

1318
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:59,199
So I appreciate what you both have said
but I

1319
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:04,800
of course we're small amount of resource
to meeting groups.

1320
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:10,400
» Yeah. But so my my
thoughts about is going to distribute

1321
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:17,040
the money. Um, I think that St. Vincent
Paul should get something direct direct

1322
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:22,320
help to people in our community and and
a small budget operation. So, I think

1323
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:27,199
they should get something. I feel the
same for Trails End. They they're

1324
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:31,440
they're a they're an arts organization
in our community. They're a tourist

1325
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:37,360
destination. They do a lot and we give
them $500. It's needful to them. I would

1326
01:53:34,639 --> 01:53:43,520
give this
sh I also actually think we should give

1327
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:48,320
some money to Cedar. We're the only
because they benefit our businesses or

1328
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:54,480
at least they're there to benefit our
businesses and um we're the only

1329
01:53:51,360 --> 01:54:00,800
municipality that's not giving up on it.
Uh Seaside uh Atoria, Canon Beach,

1330
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:04,560
Warrington, they all help fund Cedar and
we're the only we're the outrider there.

1331
01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:09,280
And even though they have a big budget
and they try to do without us, so to

1332
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:13,199
speak, they do service our community.
And I think we should give them $500

1333
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:20,400
just so we're on the books.
>> And I think an opportunity for us could

1334
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:26,800
be that they may be funded out of our
state mandated TLT.

1335
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:32,880
» Yeah. permanently because I think that
um providing that business support seems

1336
01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:38,800
appropriate and for attracting and
improving and longevity of our

1337
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:44,880
businesses. So, I'm hoping that if all
goes well that with this that it may be

1338
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:50,800
uh two that they could become a
permanent line item in our TLP for their

1339
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:54,800
full amount of IP3,
>> but in the meantime, I would allow $500

1340
01:54:53,920 --> 01:55:01,280
um
>> and 500 to

1341
01:54:58,239 --> 01:55:06,960
500. So, that's $1,500. And the other
groups uh worthy as they are, most of

1342
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:13,199
them have large budgets with up
surpluses. And much as we'd like to help

1343
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:18,960
them, we you know, we have other needs,
too. So, I would just more or less agree

1344
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:23,280
to share on that, but at Cedar
to it,

1345
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:27,920
» I you know, I I could be persuaded to
that because Cedar not only supports our

1346
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:31,679
businesses, but it's our kids. you know,
they do the they do the things with the

1347
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:36,880
school where they're doing the business
fairs and everything else. They do the

1348
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:40,800
internships and and everything else. So,
they're they're actually helping our

1349
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:47,440
community be more successful.
>> Um I I and I think SE provide more

1350
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:50,159
leverage for promoting tourism.
>> Well, not only that,

1351
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:54,960
» putting flyers out,
>> right? And they they're also working

1352
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:58,560
with us. every time they have a state
leader come into town, they invite us

1353
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:02,400
come sit down with them so we can get
some face-toface time with them about

1354
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:07,440
where our problems are here in our
community. So, I'm sorry I didn't you

1355
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:13,760
are absolutely right and I I my brain
was a conflict there being you're on the

1356
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:17,119
board. Well, but I did I I was thinking
along the lines she was talking about

1357
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:22,239
earlier was that that would come out of
the TLT that would be a no-brainer for

1358
01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:25,840
the TLT money. But yes, I you know, it
would make my life easier at my next CER

1359
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:29,760
meeting if I didn't have to go in like
this. Um because they didn't even

1360
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:33,840
mention when we don't put money into
their budget. That's

1361
01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:40,239
» well I I I agree.
>> Well, no, it's but it's it's I mean I

1362
01:56:36,719 --> 01:56:48,800
agree with what you all are saying, but
I I have a little bit of discomfort

1363
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:55,440
in a process where we
we put out this broad swap. Here, give

1364
01:56:53,119 --> 01:57:00,639
us your applications.
And then

1365
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:04,560
people did what we asked them to do and
did their presentations

1366
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:09,119
and they go, "Oh, well, you just didn't
quite

1367
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:12,480
make the cut."
>> Well, the city's denied for grants all

1368
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,599
the time.
>> That's the grant process.

1369
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:18,480
» Part of the process.
>> Yeah,

1370
01:57:16,639 --> 01:57:23,360
» we we do attempt.
>> Yeah. And well, I think we owe him at

1371
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:26,800
least a letter or something to say,
>> hey, we couldn't we couldn't support you

1372
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:32,000
this year.
>> So, let me let me ask you a question.

1373
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:35,679
So, is the mayor's fund emergency fund
on the on the is it on the table or

1374
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:39,040
» it's gone?
>> It's gone. Okay. All right. I missed

1375
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,719
that.
>> I did.

1376
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,119
» Sorry, mayor.
>> No, that's all right.

1377
01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:50,080
» Thank you.
>> So, St. Depal

1378
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:55,199
» trail art center
and um and Cedar.

1379
01:57:53,679 --> 01:58:00,560
» Yeah, that's what I was going to say. So
I agree with you and I would add

1380
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:06,840
Bush Library.
>> I agree. Those are the top total 1500.

1381
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:14,880
» Yeah. Okay. I'm fine with that.
These ch

1382
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:20,639
» I know. Scouting America. I mean those
girls, you know, they they come and

1383
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:23,599
» put the flags out.
>> We give them a hundred bucks.

1384
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:27,440
» Well, I'm intending.
>> Well, they won't be selling lemonade

1385
01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:31,520
when they're here, you know, selling it,
giving it away and accepting donations

1386
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:33,119
for lemonade. So,
>> okay.

1387
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:38,880
» Did you sell the lemonade?
>> I think they asked for 250,

1388
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:47,320
I think, is what they ask for.
>> A donation of 250 for lemonade. No

1389
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,320
service.

1390
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:57,840
» So
>> said it would be swell to be considered

1391
01:58:56,080 --> 01:59:01,320
regardless. We'll be putting our flags
out on the board.

1392
01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:07,280
» That was where that I brought my check
for. So I don't know if that makes a

1393
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:12,239
difference here, but they're going to
get 250.

1394
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:16,480
So have we moved uh everything except
the funds going to trails end and cedar

1395
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:24,400
and state fall. Is that moving to the
transfers? So the 10 five would be 10

1396
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:28,800
the
>> 13.

1397
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:35,840
» Yeah. That would change to
Yeah. The 13. No,

1398
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:39,800
» not 13. Five. 13. Right. Even
35. Yes. Yeah,

1399
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,719
that was correct.

1400
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:04,239
» So the 13,000 would be divided,
right?

1401
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:07,239
Yes, you can do one different
apparently.

1402
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:16,159
» Would the
fire truck or apparatus what we call

1403
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:18,239
that? Would that be an opportunity for a
levy? That's sort of a

1404
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:22,400
» yes
>> that we could put out there.

1405
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:29,119
» We've done that before. Actually, it was
so anything in Gearhart, we can't go

1406
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:36,080
into in debt more than $100,000
without a referendum to the residents of

1407
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:43,119
Gearhart. In the past, we bought a fire
engine for somewhere near $400 and did a

1408
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:47,599
fiveyear loan. Went to the people at
Gear Hart. They approved it and I think

1409
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:51,440
it raised our taxes by about 20 cents or
12 20 cents per thousand per

1410
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:53,599
» 1200.
>> Yeah,

1411
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:57,599
» it was before.
>> Yeah, it was some time ago and that's

1412
02:00:55,520 --> 02:01:02,080
how we accomplished it. Fire trucks are
very expensive. Yeah.

1413
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:08,480
» Um I think this is a good plan to get us
started and we do have some repairs that

1414
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:13,920
need to happen. Fire engines now that we
like coming to soon.

1415
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:18,560
Justine, would you say you had these
three funds ordered in your order of

1416
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:24,400
priority? Correct.
>> So, I would give 4500 to the top two and

1417
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:31,400
4,000 to the next one.
>> I I I think that that is an excellent

1418
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,400
distribution.

1419
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:44,599
like that

1420
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:55,760
when they will get back into putting
$30,000 a year into some little

1421
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:58,080
one that I regret and can't
>> Yeah.

1422
02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:03,280
Absolutely.
>> But there was pretty good.

1423
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:07,920
» That's true. Right.
>> The hor is the safe house. Right.

1424
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:11,599
» Right.
>> I think that I think that they they get

1425
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:14,599
an awful lot of donations. I know that I
don't

1426
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,400
» they have a surplus

1427
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:39,440
I think that's negotiated.
So I think we're think we're at a point

1428
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:43,560
where we can decide
we'll mention that in the letter

1429
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:52,400
» we need to either move to recommend this
budget to the city council or if we

1430
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:57,840
decide otherwise we have a meeting to
discuss further which I don't get a

1431
02:02:54,719 --> 02:03:02,560
sense but
>> do we give you approval to support city

1432
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:06,880
staff to move forward with the formal
city processing with ordinance change.

1433
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:12,480
Do we do that?
>> Uh, you don't do that. If you approve

1434
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:16,880
the budget, it systematically says that
we need 41,000, which we propose through

1435
02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:24,040
a TLT, which means that we have to move
to the city council to prepare an

1436
02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:24,040
ordinance, but is no action required.

1437
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:33,360
Is it ever appropriate to have the
budget committee meet at a different

1438
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:40,960
time in the year to maybe absolutely
>> do like a special project and like have

1439
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:46,719
a a work session on what are our other
>> potential

1440
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:50,400
revenue sources that we can absolutely
>> seems like that would be the best way to

1441
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:54,080
go because you're the most intimately
familiar with the money and how it is

1442
02:03:52,719 --> 02:03:58,639
that we're doing it. You've asked the
questions and so that would be Well,

1443
02:03:56,320 --> 02:04:05,080
» I think with this type of a budget, it's
critical that we schedule that.

1444
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:05,080
But no,

1445
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:19,360
» anything else go back for the budget.
>> I mean, even if even if we just did one

1446
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:24,480
just one meeting,
>> we could just that would be part of the

1447
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:28,000
agenda would be do we need to do more of
this work?

1448
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:32,320
» Well, but you're asking us to keep it up
for the negation.

1449
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:37,040
We'll
double your double

1450
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:40,960
» taking it under consideration. You're
denied.

1451
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:45,920
» Never mind.
>> Okay. So, I will make a motion unless

1452
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:51,840
anybody has anything else. So I move
that the Ghart budget committee approve

1453
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:55,560
the amended 2026 2027 budget in the
amount of 18,793,79354

1454
02:04:57,599 --> 02:05:07,199
which includes a permanent tax rate
limit levy of $1.005,000 0053 cents

1455
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:12,239
thousand of assessed value and general
obligation debt service as well as

1456
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:19,400
approval of the amended PR road district
proposed 2026 2027 budget in the amount

1457
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:19,400
of 399,329

1458
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:31,040
with a primitive tax rate limit levy
0602

1459
02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:37,360
per thousand of assessed value. There is
also an acknowledgement that if measure

1460
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:42,159
4-239 was not passed in May 2026,
related appropriations of the debt

1461
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:47,360
service fund and public safety city bond
project fund will not move forward to

1462
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:51,199
the adopted budget column.
>> I second that.

1463
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:54,199
» All in favor?
>> Oppos?

1464
02:05:55,119 --> 02:06:01,520
You guys did amazing. Thank you. Good
job.

1465
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:04,719
» So before I adjourn, all the staff,
especially you Justine, thank you for

1466
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:07,040
all of your hard work, including
coaching me for getting us through

1467
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:10,840
tonight. So
>> you did an excellent job.