1 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:19,160 I'm ready to go. >> You know me. I like to start on tone. 2 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:22,080 figured out how to disable that >> that bell of yours that you hear 3 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,520 » join and come in. >> Oh, okay. Are you are you 4 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:35,280 » starting? Okay. So, at 6 PM 5 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:40,400 I'm doing that. I call the order of the Gear Heart Planning Commission. 6 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:46,799 Thursday, July 9th, 2026. All members of the commission are 7 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:52,000 present and um Chad and Garrett are here for the staff. Um we have a consent 8 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:59,600 agenda the minutes of May 14th that have been adjusted, but I I didn't leave the 9 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:05,680 meeting last time because I wasn't here. um the uh financial report 10 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:14,400 and we don't have any correspondents. Do I have um a motion to accept the consent 11 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:17,400 agenda with the improved and edited uh minutes? 12 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,440 » Hello. 13 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:29,040 Russ moves. Do I have a second? >> Second. 14 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:33,360 » Second from Jennifer. Uh any discussion or anything? 15 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:36,959 » Cool. Uh all those in favor say yes. >> Yes. 16 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:42,480 » All those opposed say no. Okay. >> And I sustain that is in here. 17 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:45,280 » Okay. Reports staff. Chad, do you have anything to report to us? 18 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,360 » I do. I wanted to give the planning commission a brief update on several 19 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:53,519 things. Uh the city has been working on. First and foremost, our uh police 20 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:57,120 department and our officers are safe. Uh they went through quite an ordeal 21 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:02,159 yesterday. They were involved. They're all in the middle of it and uh we're 22 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:07,120 considering uh working through that. Uh no injuries on our part. Uh and we are 23 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:09,680 supporting uh those guys that were there to make sure that they get what they 24 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,680 need. And uh >> can you tell us what this was about? 25 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:20,640 » Oh, I'm sorry. I'm assuming Yeah, you haven't been in my day all day. Um my 26 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:26,159 apologies. So there was a a a bolo went out which is an attempt to locate uh for 27 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:33,280 a person that committed some potentially some terrible crimes murder in the 28 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Tolman area and uh they pinged him in maybe cell phone or credit cards with in 29 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:46,560 Atoria and then seaside and they located and uh when he was not even really 30 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:54,560 approached but they were beginning the approach. Uh our officers our officers 31 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:59,360 were shot in and uh with a rifle and uh our officers returned fire. um not sure 32 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:06,560 exactly, you know, everything after that, but 33 00:04:01,519 --> 00:04:11,120 that gentleman is deceased and so um they're working through all of the 34 00:04:08,799 --> 00:04:15,439 things that go along with that >> made me very much appreciate uh what 35 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,560 they have to go through and especially now that I've been through this 36 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:23,680 perspective on how to protect your officers through that process. Very 37 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:28,639 interesting. Law enforcement definitely uh deserves 38 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:33,759 some kudo for the work they do that he's safe. No injuries and we're working 39 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:39,680 through that with a great team of people uh throughout the entire community. So 40 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:45,440 sheriff, all the departments uh and uh the public bringing things all day long. 41 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:48,800 So it's been nice. Yeah. Uh tonight we're also going to be 42 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:53,759 talking about the zoning amendment work uh that's moving forward. I'll leave 43 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:58,160 that update uh to Mr. Garrett. We're also continuing to work through the 44 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:04,000 beaches and dunes permitting process uh especially around the vegetation removal 45 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:08,400 and access issues and due vegetation uh work that work just keeps coming up and 46 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,600 people are wanting to do things out there. So, we're working on our process 47 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,440 to make sure it's clear, defensible, understandable to property owners. Uh 48 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:21,919 trying to communicate that a little bit better as well. So, more to come. uh 49 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:27,280 Helila and McCormic Gardens area that direction continues to be pretty active. 50 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:32,800 Uh there's two subdivision well there's two subdivisions going in smaller uh 51 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:38,160 eight houses and under for each one of them. Uh and staff we're working with 52 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:44,000 consultants. Uh we're reviewing issues like access to fire access, water 53 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:49,680 service, fire flow, future waterline looping. Fireflow and waterline looping 54 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:56,400 is a a something that we have had planned in 55 00:05:51,840 --> 00:06:00,800 that area, but now the plan has been um brought right to the front because of 56 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:05,199 these developments. So, working on that situation. Uh but the long story short 57 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,960 is the infrastructure changes we're going to make in there to make things 58 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,800 float better and to have better pressure are going to be better for the community 59 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:18,000 all the way around. So, it's a good project, but it is keeping us busy. Uh, 60 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,639 the 13th Street and the Kid property issue, uh, we've been trying to keep the 61 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:28,000 different issues separated. Uh, the legal review has not found in this 62 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:33,039 legally established public trim or public beach access route on 13th 63 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:40,319 Street. This is where the fence came up. People were upset. Uh uh the fence 64 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:44,000 appears to be on private property and uh separately any beaches and dunes 65 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:49,360 vegetation removal issue being handled as a code enforcement matter. We have 66 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:53,520 issued some citations for some beaches and dunes mowing that shouldn't have 67 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:59,919 occurred. Seemed like a good idea at the time but uh so we're uh holding some 68 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:04,400 folks accountable for that. Uh the important part is that access ownership, 69 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:09,039 septic easements, dune vegetation and all the other enforcements are separate 70 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:14,400 issues shouldn't be bonded together. It's really a private property issue. If 71 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:17,840 the condo association is upset that they don't have the access that they've had 72 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:21,919 and those are difficult moving forward, that's going to be a civil matter 73 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,800 between the two of them. Um but everything else that we have allowed 74 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:31,840 including the construction of the houses, the septic systems, the fence 75 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:37,919 installation, uh and that uh were legal and so we're moving on from that. We did 76 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,520 get a a lot of good information out of our process that we used with our 77 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:49,280 attorneys. We learned a few things as well that the city did everything right 78 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:52,800 in that matter. Uh so we move forward. Uh Thompson Creek is also moving 79 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:57,759 forward. I don't know if some of you are aware of Thompson Creek. Uh it's up 80 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:03,680 Lewis and Clark Road. It's about 60ome acres that the city of Deerheart owns of 81 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:09,680 forested land. Uh it used to be our watershed back in the day when Dehart 82 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:15,360 had 200 residents. Uh there was a 2-in line that fed those residents water. Uh 83 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:20,639 and I came to Thompson Falls through a damning process that was up on the hill. 84 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:24,479 Well, we still own that property and during the one of the rainstorms, some 85 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,560 issues with rain and some culverts washed out. So, we have an opportunity 86 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:34,719 to improve that area and we're working with NCLC, the tribe, engineers, 87 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Department of Forestry, Department of Fish and Wildlife, and whatever other 88 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,440 department that I can't think of at the moment uh to kind of move forward with 89 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:46,000 some of those things, but we're taking our time to make sure we do it right. 90 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,440 That is a salmon stream that's up in there as well. So if there's an 91 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:55,279 opportunity to enhance that system to make it work better with the guidance of 92 00:08:51,600 --> 00:09:00,560 things like NCLC and ODFNW and all those um we have an opportunity longterm the 93 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:04,800 city has no plan for that property. It's not harvestable timber. 2007 storm 94 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:10,480 didn't knock down a lot of the timber and there was a salvage harvest the city 95 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:15,120 did gained them about $20,000. Um but that's it. It's an unmanaged 96 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:19,279 unplanned area. So there's some opportunities and conversations to be 97 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:24,240 had in the future here with that. Uh the public safety facilities issue, 98 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:29,360 the fire station is uh also still very much alive. Uh obviously the bond did 99 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:33,760 not pass, but the underlying problems did not go away. Uh we still have 100 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:38,480 serious fire station deficiencies, police and city hall space needs, 101 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:43,519 seismic concerns, public works facility needs. So, the city is preparing a more 102 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:48,080 structured public conversation before deciding what to do next. We're 103 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:52,000 going to try to bake that cake a little bit differently. And so, we're trying to 104 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,839 learn as much as we can. And so, there'll be a town hall that'll be 105 00:09:53,279 --> 00:10:00,640 coming up to have some discussions about that situation and to get more 106 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:05,680 information from folks. Um, because frankly, some of us are still a little 107 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:12,160 perplexed, but we'll figure it out. So, excuse me, Jeff. That the don't we 108 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:15,200 have OSHA violations on that building? >> We mitigated a few of them. 109 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,200 » I mean, >> but there are things that we can't fix 110 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:23,920 that they would like us to see if it was a new building, but the ventilation 111 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:32,160 issue, the door issue, uh the um turnouts in the fire station, 112 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:36,480 in the exhaust are all issues we have to fix. And that is part of the OSHA issue. 113 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,480 » I mean, so if we never build a fire hole, could eventually say shut that 114 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:43,680 building. >> They could give us willful violations 115 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,560 for not repairing what it is that needs to be repaired, especially in those 116 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:51,839 three safety areas. And I might be missing one, but I don't think so. The 117 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:54,399 doors, the ventilation, uh, and what was the third I mentioned? 118 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:58,640 » The turnout. >> Thank you. The turnout and the exhaust 119 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:02,079 systems and the turnout needs to be repaired. And those are things that we 120 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:05,680 can do. The underlying issue is the building. Walk along the outside of the 121 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,279 walls, take a look at it on the west side, and you'll see some things that 122 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:14,079 are a little concerning. Cracks all the way through and through. Um, 123 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:17,279 seismically, that building was top and that disconnect between people 124 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:21,600 understanding what type of infrastructure needed to happen in order 125 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:25,120 to get a new fire station there, which caused a lot of panic, you know, $33 126 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:30,880 million versus trying to fix this one up and to 127 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:35,279 make it last as long as possible. kind of seems like that's where we're at. I 128 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:40,320 mean, a new building, no matter what, is going to cost you between5 and $10 129 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,800 million just in the foundation. So, we're going to deal with it the best 130 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:46,880 that we can, but we're going to have open communication and we're going to 131 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:50,959 we're trying to learn everything we can a ton of conversations. 132 00:11:48,959 --> 00:11:54,959 Uh, and so we want to structure that next conversation to try to elicit as 133 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:59,240 much information as possible and bring the community along a little bit 134 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,240 differently. 135 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:07,200 Um that connects directly to I think 4th of July. Uh from the outside I think 136 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:13,519 most people saw the next morning the town was pretty well cleaned up and back 137 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:18,000 to normal. Um we had a wonderful street dance. It was great. Kids out there was 138 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:23,200 amazing and and then the adults afterwards were were fun to watch. Um 139 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:27,760 the Fourth of July parade went really smoothly. Uh no issues to be had with 140 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:30,760 that. Um, 141 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:38,480 but what you did not see was how close to capacity the city was. And I'm not 142 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:42,560 sure how this really affects the planning commission and making decisions 143 00:12:40,959 --> 00:12:47,839 for land use, but I just kind of wanted to make you aware uh that our police 144 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:52,000 public or fire department public works and volunteers were active from about 145 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:55,680 7:30 in the morning Saturday until roughly 4:30 in the morning the next 146 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,079 day. uh police and fire both handled with 147 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:04,560 very high call volume. I think in the fire department we had 90 calls for 148 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:09,519 service of various fashions in that one day and police had over 70. 149 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:16,000 It may have been one uh and also Dearheart turns out to be the most busy 150 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:20,399 with law enforcement and fire um action uh of any city in the county. We were 151 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,839 busier than seaside. We had other communities calling us on the radio, 152 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:30,160 both police and fire, but especially police saying like Canon Beach, can we 153 00:13:26,959 --> 00:13:37,519 send you out? You guys sound like you're extremely busy. And we were. Um, 154 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:41,600 so I from a public safety standpoint, it was I I guess I don't want to overstate 155 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,760 it, but we barely held it together and it became dangerous and we need to have 156 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:50,079 a serious afteraction conversation about staffing, communication, crowd control, 157 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:56,560 beach impacts, garbage, public safety facilities, and the state responsibility 158 00:13:52,639 --> 00:14:01,440 for what happens on the beach. Um but yeah, even the counselors, I haven't had 159 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,560 a chance to talk to them about what had happened. But the staff uh here and we 160 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:11,760 we had well there was rumors of 20 state police 161 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:16,959 in Deerheart at one point helping us, but there wasn't quite that many, I 162 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:22,480 don't think. Um we had between 10 and 15 additional officers trying to assist us. 163 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,160 uh the public generally doesn't see that side of it because we clean everything 164 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:31,680 up and make it look normal again. But we were at the limit. Uh so that needs to 165 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:37,519 be a part of future Fourth of July planning and we'll make sure it did. But 166 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,880 um just wanted to make you aware. Uh the city's also working on broader strategic 167 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,639 planning. Uh the council is trying to develop a clear direction around 168 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:50,880 maintaining the existing services that we have including public safety, water 169 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:56,160 infrastructure, reserves, livability, long-term financial stability. 170 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,600 Uh that matters to the planning because growth, infrastructure, service levels, 171 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,079 and public expectations are all connected. So, you know, we'll just be 172 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,199 more plain with you folks about where we're at budget-wise, so that when we're 173 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:12,639 making decisions in the planning commission that that can be helpful to 174 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:16,079 you. Uh, water planning is becoming more central to land use decisions as well. 175 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,240 The city's working on water rights, as you know, Warrington water supply 176 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,519 coordination. We got a good agreement with the city of Warrington for a good 177 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:28,240 amount of time for a good amount of water. So, I that doesn't stress us out 178 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:32,639 at all. Warrington's been a good partner with that. It is expensive. 179 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Uh, and you're paying that through your rates. Um, but, uh, it's working. So, 180 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:46,560 I'll let you know. I haven't heard of the review. Um, again, they're way 181 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:50,720 behind at WRD and we're probably 6 months into the time they said they were 182 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,920 going to respond to us and they haven't. And, uh, we've been keeping in contact 183 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:59,279 with them to try to get that going as best as possible. 184 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:03,199 Uh USPS mail delivery transition still active. Uh we're still working with USPS 185 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:06,800 on the gearart delivery boundaries, street delivery cluster box option 186 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:10,959 service impacts after the post office contract unit closure. Uh it's not 187 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,959 strictly a planning commission issue, but it affects the residents. So I 188 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:19,519 wanted to make sure that you knew that uh was going on and uh at the end of 189 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:24,160 this I can answer any questions. I've gotten some answers back from USPS on 190 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:28,720 some of the things that we're asking. Uh this one is the we're discussing 191 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:33,279 transient lodging tax and short-term rental tax right now to make up for the 192 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:37,600 budget cap that we have here in Gearart. Um because general fund revenue is not 193 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,440 keeping up with cost of course and so we're looking at doing that increase and 194 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:49,360 I've been getting contacting uh some of the uh 195 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:52,959 administration with condo association together a group of people so that 196 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:57,519 they're aware of what's going on. But as we look at what we're going to do with 197 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:03,279 these taxes and the revenue that comes in, keep in mind the law change that 198 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:09,760 starts January 1 of this upcoming year. I any new tax that we put on to these uh 199 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:14,880 is a 50/50 take. So the city general fund could take 50% of it and then the 200 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:18,640 other 50% has to be used for a visitor type activity which is a little money 201 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:25,480 and don't ask me anything really particular about that but my team is 202 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,480 working on that with burials or enh 203 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,919 we'll continue to have some communications about that and maybe some 204 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:40,400 of you would want to get involved. So yeah, I guess the theme is planning 205 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:46,280 and infrastructure and uh safety. Um any questions? 206 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:46,280 That was a lot. Sorry. 207 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:56,320 » Thank you. >> Um what what is the budget gap? 208 00:17:53,360 --> 00:18:00,400 » How much is the budget gap this spring? >> Uh less than what we thought it was 209 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:04,160 going to be. Our cash carry forward was better than what we anticipated. Uh 210 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:12,240 because we were saving money at the very end pretty um you know we were taking 211 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:17,440 some measures. Uh so it's let me guess around under 200,000. 212 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,919 » Okay. And so that 213 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:26,320 in seaside they call it the tourism tax but we don't really do that here in 214 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:30,799 Gary. It's called saving money. >> Transient lodging tax, 215 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:34,000 » right? But you call it visitors. >> Well, visitors is how we'd have to spend 216 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,000 those, >> right? 217 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,679 » Whether or not that, you know, so that's not necessarily a transient. 218 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,520 They are, but >> Right. That's the Yes. 219 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:48,240 » So, for example, would that be able to hire more 220 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,919 safety personnel for the 4th of July? No. 221 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:57,520 » No. programs that you already have, things that already happen, those would 222 00:18:53,919 --> 00:19:01,520 be difficult uh to defend the spending on that. Um so the 4th of July, yeah, 223 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,200 you know, it's all visitors, it's all people. Yeah. Well, everybody does the 224 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:09,679 4th of July. That's not something new. It's actually things that are geared 225 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:15,600 specifically to bring people into your town. Um maybe some park money uh could 226 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:21,039 be spent there. Maybe uh some tools and things that we need. Uh maybe we could 227 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:29,280 look at grants and things to help businesses in town, right? Uh develop, 228 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:34,400 get some help, what have you. Uh maybe it can be to beautify a few areas uh and 229 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:40,320 that sort of thing. But it is very restrictive and will be controversial in 230 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:44,720 every move that we make scrutinized. So BEH 231 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:50,960 our attorneys happen to be experts in this. Um, so they're going to provide us 232 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:54,480 with some good work to do and that would probably look like some sort of a 233 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:59,200 committee that would assist us with the spending of those money. And I think 234 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:04,480 that the representation from the hotels, the condos, uh, you know, would be a 235 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:09,600 good idea as well, but we're not sure exactly how that's going to pan out, but 236 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:15,760 we know we have that budget yet. >> I can I served on the tourism 237 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:21,280 seaside for 10 years, so you know, their money and and they've 238 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:25,840 got this big surplus because they do marketing and and and they're more 239 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:30,960 resort than we are, but they do do it for things like murals that are being 240 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:37,679 put up. They put things on all the trash cans down in the city. Um 241 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:42,159 promoting an event, say someone wanted to do a music event, and I think we've 242 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:50,640 got some of those going. It can be used to help fund those. Um there are lots of 243 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:58,400 things if you are creative and the way you present it that you can use that 244 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:03,679 money for but um the the cities I mean like see would love to use it for 245 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:11,039 infrastructure or police or or fire just as Gearhart would and they can't really 246 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:17,120 do that but their flower flower flower baskets downtown that's what is dudes 247 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:23,280 forward. So that's okay. We can mow the lawn out here. 248 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:30,159 I I was coming north from the south part of seaside last night when all the 249 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:34,080 emergency vehicles were heading south. And I have to say there are still people 250 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:38,720 that do not realize that some vehicles got their lights flashing and sirens 251 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,720 going doesn't mean turn in front of me. I 252 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:49,840 It was a little scary. I think I saw six go through in a matter of minute or so. 253 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:53,520 Couple minutes. So, much excitement. Sorry about this. You 254 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:55,600 missed that. >> Okay. Are you done? 255 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:57,520 » Yes, ma'am. >> I have a couple questions. 256 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,520 » Oh, yes. Eric, >> are you done? 257 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:04,159 » Yes. Thank you. >> A couple different things. Uh, first 258 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:09,360 off, with regard to the transit loging tax, the 50 50% of it you can use at 259 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,400 your own discretion. >> Correct. 260 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:15,200 » Yeah. >> Plus the tax 261 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,679 » that part. Plus the tax entire process, right? 262 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,400 » I do and I know the law has changed from 7030 or whatever to 5050. 263 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,520 » Right. >> Um so I'm aware of that. 264 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:29,360 » Right. Right. So part of it is there to be used. 265 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:33,520 » Yes. And the original uh 7% that we have is still 100%. 266 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,919 you referring to the city attorney Behner 267 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:42,000 and Hamilton. >> Are they still uh just filling in for a 268 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:45,280 vacancy or have they now hired as attorneys? 269 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:50,640 » Not officially, but they are uh our temporary attorney. Uh and we're going 270 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:56,000 to be probably within the next couple months opening up the uh RFP process 271 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,799 again and they will be able to bid on it. 272 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,559 » Uh burials are going to happen in order to say that they were ready to take us. 273 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:06,720 They've also been in a building here. >> Uh so they've got some older attorneys 274 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:09,520 that have retired. >> Uh excuse me, more experienced attorneys 275 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,840 that have retired. I don't know if they're old. 276 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:17,520 » Um and uh some new attorneys that are coming in to fill their gap. And then so 277 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:20,080 they're balancing in that. They want to make sure that that'll work before they 278 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:24,720 pick us up. >> Um so far I've been pretty pleased with 279 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,640 uh everything. It's not like having one Peter Watts though. That was nice 280 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:32,880 because he understood all the stories >> and the code. So, every time we get into 281 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,960 something, there's a little bit more work to get people up to speed with what 282 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:41,039 we're at, but it's starting to happen. >> With regard to Thompson Creek, is that 283 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:45,480 going to cost money? >> Yes, 284 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,480 » we have it in the budget. 285 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:52,000 » Uh, it depends on where we pull it from. There might be some street money. Uh, 286 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,840 generally though, all of our reserve funds are skinny. 287 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,520 » So, I would say that it's, you know, we're tight everywhere. It's going to 288 00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:03,520 strain us, but yeah, we'll be able to figure out how to do the work depending 289 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:08,080 on whether or not when we were initially starting it, they were talking about a 290 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:13,919 $50,000 repair. Uh then it went down to $10,000, but now there's more um 291 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:19,760 uh state and involvement 292 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:24,000 » and they're still trying to consider, you know, what needs to be done. 293 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:28,320 » The cool thing is is at the end of it, it's going to be better. And there might 294 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:31,760 be France because it's environmental related and 295 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,799 » yeah look at that as well. We're going to slow that down a little bit so that 296 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:38,880 we can look at those items. >> One last thing, you may not know this, 297 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:44,799 but I just asked you a conjecture. Do you have any clue as to why Gearhart was 298 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:50,080 ground zero in the entire county for >> Yeah. I mean Seaside's a little bit 299 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:53,520 better prepared. Um they have a bigger force of people to pull from uh to be 300 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:57,279 able to and and they're a little bit more contained. uh they don't have all 301 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,320 the driving on the beach and things like that. Uh they know what to expect and 302 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,240 they've got a pretty good system that's down for that. Uh and I think it's a 303 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:09,520 more controllable atmosphere. Uh as ridiculous as that sounds. 304 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:12,720 » That being said, the $4,000 firework ban did not quite work like I think they 305 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:17,360 planned it to. >> Um because as soon as the overwhelming 306 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,960 numbers come in, there's nothing that you can really do other than maybe reach 307 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:25,760 your hand in, pull one out, give them a 4,000, but there's another, you know, 308 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:28,799 $4,000 fine. But there's another 50,000 people out there that are not going to 309 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:33,919 pay attention to that and it's just Yeah. too overwhelming. So, 310 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,520 » but were we more inundated by people? Yeah. 311 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,279 » Other years. >> Yeah. We had uh Yes. 312 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:43,039 » because I mean Yeah. Every other year those things stay the same. It just 313 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:47,279 seems like this year we >> Well, there's the 250 year, you know, 314 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:52,320 I'll give it the the anniversary. You know, 250 years was a big deal. Yeah. 315 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:56,799 » Uh but this has been a growing issue where it seems like we've been sought 316 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:02,480 after for certain types of parties on the beach that are attended by many of 317 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:09,520 the public school kids that are out of Portland. I mean I don't not all of them 318 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:15,520 uh but a large majority uh C Gable Lincoln uh Benson um all of them the 319 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:19,919 word gets out on social media that there may or may not be a rave or a party or a 320 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,440 dear heart takeover they're calling it on the beach and that's what on social 321 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:29,440 media it was called >> uh where these kids were prepared uh and 322 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:34,960 very well equipped to have a good time >> uh a lot of fireworks, a lot of alcohol, 323 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:39,840 a lot underage drinking >> uh and all of that. And the streets were 324 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:44,159 lined on both sides of Marian with people that were parked even on the side 325 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,360 you're not supposed to park on. Uh and we quickly lost control at that point 326 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,960 because we couldn't get those drivers back. We couldn't tow 327 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:55,039 » cuz that's new. We haven't seen that. >> No, they were all camping in their cars. 328 00:26:52,480 --> 00:27:00,240 We had probably It felt like I thought I counted up to about 90 campers, 329 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,799 you know, people camping, not campers, a few campers 330 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:08,559 » sleeping in the car. And at that point, we're not going to move along. It's too 331 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:14,640 dangerous for various reasons. So, uh, that was an issue. Uh, the 10th Street 332 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:22,720 beach access worked. Okay. But there were four and five cars deep on the 333 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:30,720 beach. Uh and there was probably oh 30,000 people out there, you know, 334 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:36,559 from 10th Street to uh past um Sunset Beach and uh it got really crazy. It was 335 00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:40,000 to one point to tell a little story and then 336 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:44,080 uh we had a call at about 11:30 at night. We pull all of our forces off 337 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:49,039 when dust hits because it's too dangerous. Okay. So, there's, you know, 338 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:55,679 where we've gotten, it's always kind of been like that, but not like this. 339 00:27:52,960 --> 00:28:00,399 We got a call for an overdose. Young man was overdosing, and so we had to 340 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:05,039 tactically figure out how we were going to get down to the beach. Uh, and to do 341 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,200 that, we had to put a convoy together with uh law enforcement and the fire 342 00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:14,399 department because we knew we were going into a war zone. 343 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:18,960 And they got in there, they went and immediately it started going bad. They 344 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:24,399 kind of circled the vehicles around like wagons. Uh crowds started coming in. 345 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:29,679 Fireworks started hitting the police cars. Um and we're talking the major 346 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:33,679 mortars lit thrown and the explosion goes that's supposed to put it up in the 347 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:39,679 air. Then the explosion goes uh and so at the cars and crowd was coming in. 348 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:45,919 Thank goodness a a rave started. A 40 foot uh uh 349 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:50,240 bonfire went off. The music and the light show started because they actually 350 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,600 had lasers at this thing. And uh the kids turned around and was like, "Hey, 351 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:58,240 let's do this instead of, you know, surrounding what was going on." So, it 352 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,679 was it was very dangerous. Um we're still having people that are questioning 353 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:08,960 what they were doing out there, what we were doing out there. And I can't put my 354 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:13,600 team in that position again. Um, it was that dangerous. We had the state police 355 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:18,640 assisting us. We had uh the county doing everything that they could. 356 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,960 » This isn't the time place for this conversation, but I can't imagine what 357 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,720 you can plan for doing different next year. 358 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:29,120 » Yeah, it's going to have to be some big decisions made by some 359 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,399 » uh government entities to >> figure out how to help slow down and 360 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:35,360 quiet. We'll do everything we can. We're going to start planning it a lot 361 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,679 earlier. We thought we were ready. >> Yeah. 362 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,279 » Um but not for that. >> Just overwhelmed. 363 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:44,880 » Is it possible to get the state to shut down all the beach accesses? 364 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,720 » Great question. That's one we put into the idea bucket. You know, we're not 365 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:52,880 advocating for anything. We're just putting ideas in there. Shut down 10th 366 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,159 Street. Well, then where do they back up and walk into? You know, we're going to 367 00:29:54,159 --> 00:30:04,000 have to consider that. You know, human movement is is a study in school on its 368 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:09,200 own, right? So, how do you move that? How do you advertise in advance? Do we 369 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,080 shut down the beach? Do we tell them that we're not going to go on the beach 370 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:18,960 no matter what and the state's going to have to take over? Um, and how would 371 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:22,720 they do that short of um National Guard? Uh, I've been around here for 30 years. 372 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,320 I love the Fourth of July. I love everything it's about, but this was 373 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:31,120 different. Yeah. So, we'll work on it. But you 374 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,360 know, I don't think most of Deerheart understood any. They didn't see that. I 375 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,640 except for the people there, but there's a lot of good videos online if you want 376 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:44,399 to see them. >> I was down the beach at seaside 377 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:50,880 Saturday. There were fewer people down seaside. 378 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:55,120 The safety zone was almost twice as big as it been where people can actually 379 00:30:52,720 --> 00:31:01,840 come in to see the fireworks. So, everyone was shoved to the north 380 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:08,159 and the cabanas that they put up were like huge three-bedroom cabanas. Um, but 381 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:13,919 it's mostly families. There's so much families down there. 382 00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:19,520 There were not as many people down the beach on a Saturday, Fourth of July, as 383 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:26,159 I've seen in the past. A lot of a lot of them are day triggers. 384 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:32,159 But it's just different. And and but part of the thing was Canon 385 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:36,720 Beach, they don't allow fireworks because they have their puffing thing. 386 00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:41,919 They created the puffin thing. Actually, no fireworks came before the puffin 387 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:47,200 thing. Um and then the seaside with the 4,000 fine. No, it doesn't make a lot of 388 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,440 difference, but for some of them don't make a difference. So, the next place to 389 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:58,320 go to is Gearhart. >> Mhm. So, but I would say there are 390 00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:02,159 probably 20,000 down on the beach in Seaside. It It was not as big a crowd as 391 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,440 I've seen before. >> Some of the highlight videos are pretty 392 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:10,159 incredible in Seaside as well. I think later it gets pretty busy, but 393 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:13,919 » they had they had a controlled good time. It seemed like it 394 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:21,120 » it was it was pretty controlled. Part of it being because they were so tightly 395 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:25,600 packed, you really couldn't be having the big bonfire. You're going to 396 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,960 set your cabana on fire and and the next door neighbors to banana. I mean, 397 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,720 » some of the differences is through agreements. Both Canon Beach and Seaside 398 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,679 have certain rights on the beach, >> right? 399 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:41,919 » That we do not. Um and that was established a long time ago and held uh 400 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:47,840 to where they could you uh you or the uh city council could not put an ordinance 401 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:54,399 in place that would affect the beach. >> Well, Seaside has jurisdiction. 402 00:32:50,000 --> 00:33:00,799 » Seaside has had discussions this last about not having fireworks and they 403 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,960 discussion everyone a good job and they were helpful to us. 404 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:10,519 » All right. Anything else? Thank you, Chad. 405 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:10,519 » Uh Garrett, are you there? 406 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,080 Do you have anything for your staff report before we get to your 407 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:23,039 presentation today? >> Uh just really briefly, a heads up that 408 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:28,880 we're we'll be having um a meeting in August, our regularly scheduled meeting, 409 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:36,000 and um it looks like we'll be considering two subdivision applications 410 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:40,399 in a hearing in August. Um, and I'm looking forward to going over 411 00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:44,720 those with you when the time comes. And that's it from my for my updates. 412 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:52,600 » Okay. How about here? We'll be back in just a few minutes. Um, commissioners, 413 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,600 does anyone have a report? 414 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,960 » Yes. Great. >> Thank you. as fast as I've completed my 415 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:02,880 require state meeting training as well as ethics training and I've been going 416 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:09,320 through the land training they have online as well 417 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,320 awesome 418 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,720 okay I don't know I'm seeing required >> J 419 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:22,320 I have a question >> yes um 420 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:27,040 » you scheduled meeting in August it's the same day I'm going to be having cataract 421 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:33,119 surgery. I'm going to ask to be excused now. I may be able to uh attend via 422 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:38,240 Zoom, but I don't want to. >> Well, the best thing to do, Emerson, is 423 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:42,480 to send an email to Angelina, we can excuse you. If you are here, we won't do 424 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,399 excuse. >> That would be good. 425 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,520 » Okay. So, so if you send a just send an email, 426 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:54,960 » okay, >> and and then it will put on the agenda 427 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:59,280 and we will ignore it. if you can see us or just listen to us. 428 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:04,640 » One good eye pirate. A pirate. Okay. Um, are there 429 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:11,680 any comments from our visitors tonight that are not related to the agenda? 430 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:18,560 You have anyone? Chad, this is your job. >> Oh, thank you. All right. Uh, 431 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:23,520 » I can't see. >> Okay. So, we have no public hearings. We 432 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,760 have no unfinished business. We have no new business, but we have information 433 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:31,640 discussion. And this is your time, Garrett. So, take it away. 434 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:43,280 All right. Thank you. So, um I want to go over a proposal that staff has on a 435 00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:50,160 project that um we think that we should work on with you uh in the remainder of 436 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:56,480 this year um following those subdivision hearings in August. And the project 437 00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:04,160 builds on a couple of discussions we've had in the last several months um to do 438 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:12,240 some limited uh zoning ordinance updates that are aimed at um alignment with new 439 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:19,280 state laws and rules and cleaning up some issues that 440 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:26,720 um lead to like lack of clarity for property owners and staff. Um, so the 441 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:32,720 project doesn't involve like creation of uh like new realms of policy. Um, we're 442 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:38,720 we're envisioning this being a pretty limited scope uh project, although it it 443 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:44,400 involves three distinct topics and I'll review those for you brief briefly. 444 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:48,720 Um, before I forget, I wanted to mention that the report that goes along with 445 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:54,880 this item, I meant to include some links uh 446 00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:58,160 hyperlinks that you could click on um to read more if you wanted to. And was I 447 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,480 was trying to keep the report really brief. And I'm interested when we get to 448 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,480 discussion if anyone tried to use those and if they worked and I think we'd be 449 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:11,119 interested in in redistributing that in a way that works. if not the link that I 450 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:18,320 was using off the planning commission packet had a dead link uh or two. But in 451 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:25,040 any case, this project would essentially do zoning ordinance updates primarily 452 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:30,320 focused on article 13 administrative provisions 453 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:34,000 and also the article for the beach and dune overlay zone. 454 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:38,240 Um there's two topics that would mostly 455 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:43,119 center on article 13 uh our procedures and administrative 456 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:49,760 provisions. The first one is in response to new state rules 457 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:54,800 uh related to goal five cultural areas. And the second topic that would 458 00:37:52,320 --> 00:38:00,640 primarily center on article 13 is related to housing laws. 459 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:05,200 Um and housing related rules that have been adopted by the state. 460 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:12,320 We reviewed some of the housing related matters in April of this year uh at our 461 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:17,920 April meeting. The goal five cultural areas topic is a 462 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:23,520 new one for for us at the planning commission. So I'll start reviewing 463 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:28,960 that. Um, in December of 2025, the Land 464 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:33,920 Conservation and Development Commission adopted new rules that they had been 465 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:39,359 working on in the prior year. And the rules 466 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:42,960 essentially will require two sort of new broad areas of action for local 467 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:50,400 governments. Um, one is that when an application 468 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,079 comes to the city that it that will lead to ground 469 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:59,280 disturbance and it's an application that already 470 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:07,520 requires some form of public notice. Think conditional uses, variances, 471 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:11,599 um, partitions, subdivisions, reszones. 472 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:16,560 If we get an application like that and it's predictably going to lead to ground 473 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:23,680 disturbance, the new state rules require us to provide a unique notice to 474 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:30,800 selected uh Indian tribes that the application has been received 475 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:34,960 uh and is complete. And then the rules require us to respond to any 476 00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:39,359 comments that we receive from those tribes in a specific manner and to 477 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:45,680 include those comments and our responses in the record of the decision. 478 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:50,480 It's really a procedural requirement. Um so there's not it doesn't introduce new 479 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:55,680 approval criteria to any type of application. 480 00:39:52,320 --> 00:40:01,280 Um but the intent of it is for communication with tribes between tribes 481 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:07,280 and local governments to uh improve and to offer tribes a meaningful opportunity 482 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:12,079 to comment on land use applications uh and have those comments um considered in 483 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:18,240 decisions. So that's the first one, the first part 484 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:25,520 of the rule. Uh the second part that requires some different local action 485 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:32,240 going forward is that um tribes will be able to propose that certain sites uh 486 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:38,000 they they they're free to propose any site uh they want to uh that certain 487 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:45,040 sites should be considered culturally uh significant sites under Oregon State 488 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:49,359 goal five. And um when local governments receive an application 489 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:54,800 uh for a site to be considered culturally significant 490 00:40:51,920 --> 00:41:00,960 um the local government will have to follow a uh goal five comprehensive plan 491 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:06,800 amendment procedure um to complete certain analyses and 492 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:11,040 consider uh an update to the comprehensive plan to officially 493 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,960 designate that site as culturally significant. 494 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:20,480 and along with that uh protect it protect the the culturally significant 495 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:30,319 resources uh in some way or another. And so um again no new substantive 496 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:34,160 requirement uh in terms of like these sites are already known and you have to 497 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:39,280 protect them in this way like we do with flood planes for example. 498 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:43,920 um just new procedures that we're going to have to follow. And the rules say 499 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:48,079 that local governments can implement them directly from statute and don't 500 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:52,640 have to uh amend their zoning ordinances or 501 00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:57,359 comprehensive plans to get ready uh for that. It goes into effect January 1st, 502 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:04,480 2027. Uh but DLCD staff uh including our north 503 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:09,520 coast field representative Brett Estus um and the goal five specialists are 504 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,240 recommending that local governments at least review their codes and probably 505 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,520 need to make uh at least some kinds of updates. 506 00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:22,400 Um one to signal to staff to not forget to 507 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:29,359 do the notices when there's a ground disturbing application that comes in. 508 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:35,760 Um, and two, to make sure that we have some processes in place to handle 509 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:43,359 a proposal for a new culturally significant site. Um, and along with 510 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:48,960 that, having some way to charge a fee to make sure that we can recuperate the 511 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,319 costs of that, you know, rather lengthy process of considering one of those 512 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:58,640 proposals. So, um, that's the first topic that, you 513 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,480 know, we think we want to, we're not sure if we're going to get applications 514 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:08,560 or how often this is going to come into play, but, um, you know, we take DLCD 515 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:13,839 staff's recommendations seriously. Um, I don't think we want to be caught 516 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:21,680 surprised with a culturally significant uh, site application with no procedure 517 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:26,400 fees in place. um or we have to handle a comprehensive plan amendment. 518 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:31,040 And so that's something that we want to uh deal with proactively. 519 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:36,720 And again, that'll be focused on article 13, our administrative provisions. 520 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:42,000 Um the second topic outlined in the memo is 521 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:48,400 related to the beach and dune overlay zone. And there's some points of clarity 522 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:54,240 that we want to bring forward for your consideration that we think will make it 523 00:43:51,200 --> 00:44:00,720 um uh easier and clearer for staff to implement the overlay zone and easier 524 00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:04,000 for property owners to read it and know what they're allowed and not allowed to 525 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,000 do. Um, 526 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:13,920 and so that uh I'm I'm actually going to leave leave that one as relatively 527 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:20,240 brief, but we'll we'll get more into that when we have our our workshop later 528 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:26,640 uh in the year. And then the third topic is related to housing laws. 529 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:32,800 And that again is we covered a variety of housing topics um in our April 530 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:39,599 meeting, but the one that this zoning code update would focus on is related to 531 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:45,359 procedures and the idea that there's certain kinds of land use applications 532 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:51,520 that state law has said are are really supposed to be processed 533 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:57,119 um with I guess you could say less process and fewer standards than we have 534 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:02,079 been processing them with typically in gearart. So 535 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:10,960 um partitions and subdivisions are really supposed to be type two 536 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:18,960 uh administrative review decisions where staff issue a public notice and 537 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:24,800 there's opportunities for the public and neighbors to provide written comments. 538 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:30,640 and then a decision is made in a in a staff report notice of decision uh 539 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:35,200 without a public hearing. Um and there there would still be appeal 540 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:39,680 opportunities uh after the decision is made. 541 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:45,520 But that's the I that that's the the area of housing law that we'd be 542 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:50,800 focusing on in this update is aligning procedures 543 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:55,040 um with state guidelines and laws and rules. 544 00:45:52,319 --> 00:46:01,200 Um and again that's related to article 13 545 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:07,200 primarily. And so normally 546 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:12,880 I wouldn't propose like a three topic zoning ordinance update covering that 547 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:16,880 breadth the breadth of those issues but um 548 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:22,720 we are going to be trying to to keep the changes relatively minimal and targeted 549 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:27,599 and again they're intended to just implement uh 550 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:37,440 state rules and provide clarity rather than create new policy direction. Um 551 00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:44,640 um and so we think that we can do this uh in a relatively efficient manner. Um, 552 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:51,920 we're proposing to give city council a briefing on these topics in 553 00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:57,920 uh, August and then come back to you for a workshop in at your regular meeting in 554 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:03,680 September where we would have the proposed ordinance changes drafted 555 00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:10,160 for your review and discussion. And depending on how that goes, um 556 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:16,000 potentially having a hearing as soon as, uh October of 2026, 557 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:21,119 um and and then moving into, you know, a 558 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,800 city city council hearing and adoption, you know, later in the year in in the 559 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:29,200 early new year. So, um that's the overview. There's 560 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:34,720 there's a one other topic that we discussed earlier in the year. It was 561 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:39,359 really sort of a catchall which was broad-based 562 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:43,680 review and clarity updates for the whole zoning ordinance. 563 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:49,760 And given um some of the issues we've experienced 564 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:57,359 with the beach and dune overlay zone in the last year um the January 1st, 2027 565 00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:02,240 implementation date for goal five cultural areas 566 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:06,240 and um that we're getting, you know, we're starting to get more partition and 567 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:12,079 subdivision applications. These seem like three topics that will 568 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:18,240 have um some like immediate relevance uh and impact on um how you work with the 569 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:23,760 code, how staff works with it, and how Gearart citizens experience it. Um and 570 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:29,280 so I think there there's going to be yet more work to do after this, but this 571 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:34,559 seemed like an appropriate uh sort of project size package to work on together 572 00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:39,040 in 2026. So I'll leave it at that for now. and h happy to answer any 573 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,720 questions. >> Does anyone have a question? Jennifer, 574 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:47,920 » could you Gary, could you describe again what would prompt either a revision or 575 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:53,119 addition to the to the comprehensive plan? 576 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:59,119 » Sure. So DLCD uh has recommended that we review the comprehensive plan 577 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:02,880 um related to the goal five cultural areas issues 578 00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:08,800 and um 579 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:13,839 see if there's a need for some kind of supportive sort of broadly supportive 580 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:18,960 policy statement uh that that backs up the zoning ordinance updates that that 581 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,800 we'll do on that topic. Um, 582 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:28,640 and also to review and see if there's any specific procedures that that 583 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:34,559 contradict or are incomplete uh in relation to 584 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:39,520 um to what's in the state rule. For example, I haven't done this yet, but 585 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:46,240 perhaps the compre if the comprehensive plan said um had had policies on how it 586 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:50,480 how it should be updated itself. Let's say the comprehensive plan says this is 587 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:56,559 how we update the comprehensive plan and it only describes a procedure where um 588 00:49:53,839 --> 00:50:01,040 where staff and the city can propose updates but doesn't describe any 589 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:06,559 procedure that includes third parties proposing updates. 590 00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:10,800 um you know that basically implies that only the city can propose updates and 591 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,680 that's in contradiction with the new state rule that that tribes are supposed 592 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:19,119 to be able to propose updates. Um to designate culturally significant sites. 593 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,480 So we'd be taking a look from that perspective. 594 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:29,280 Um, so I' I'd imagine like limited sort of 595 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:37,760 broadly supportive policy statements uh in a new section and checking on the 596 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:42,960 goal to uh procedural statements and and it would be limited to that 597 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:49,040 topic. I don't think that um comprehensive plan policy changes would 598 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:53,359 be needed for anything else that we're contemplating in the housing or beach 599 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:58,559 and doing overlay realm. Although we of course have to, you know, that that is 600 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,960 like one of the first steps is to is to inventory those and just make sure we're 601 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:07,319 staying on the right side of them. And if there's an issue, we'll bring it up 602 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,319 to you. 603 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:15,520 What what is our what is our city's um requirement for does it have to be voted 604 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:21,119 on if we change the comp plan? Does it have to be voted on by someone or the 605 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:29,680 the public or how does that >> Yeah. So it's um we have uh a a planning 606 00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:34,640 commission hearing um and a a recommendation and then ultimately it's 607 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:40,400 a city council uh hearing and then a city council decision. Um, and it's 608 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:45,839 appealable under, you know, Oregon, Oregon's land use laws. Um, 609 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:51,280 so but city council decision. It's not like 610 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:55,119 a change to the city charter. It's not a a public vote or something. I don't I 611 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,280 don't know what a change of the city charter would entail, but 612 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:07,440 » it's a city council action. Yeah. >> So, we listen, we make a recommendation, 613 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:12,079 » then it goes to city council. Yes, Eric. >> Uh Garrett, with regard, for example, to 614 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:18,640 these two subdivisions you're going to be bringing forward, uh will our work on 615 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:22,400 that be impacted by SB5 1537? 616 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:27,119 Our procedures be any different than they would have been before that law was 617 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:32,960 passed? >> Um, no. We're f we're following our 618 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:39,040 zoning ordinances direction, which is that subdivisions 619 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:44,480 require a planning commission hearing. And so is it is an important point of 620 00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:50,640 clarification. Um, there seems to be room within state law 621 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:56,400 for us to keep having hearings before the planning commission on 622 00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:00,480 subdivisions and partitions and to have the planning commission be the 623 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:07,200 decision-making authority. So, I don't think that we're 624 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:10,200 violating state law by doing that. Um however 625 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:19,839 the decisions at least in regards to housing 626 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:22,839 on subdivisions and partitions um 627 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,240 when when housing is involved the standards have to be clear and 628 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:34,319 objective. We have to limit our decision- making to clear and objective 629 00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:39,760 standards. And that really undermines the whole purpose of having 630 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,920 a planning commission um make the decision. 631 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:49,680 Uh which is that, you know, there's decisions that there's enough discretion 632 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,200 and judgment involved that it really shouldn't be up to staff for some 633 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,200 decisions. Um, 634 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:04,559 and it needs to and the decision needs to be needs to include like deliberation 635 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:11,440 in a public hearing where evidence can be presented and 636 00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:17,119 um, you know, alternative evidence can be presented and and weighed all out in 637 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:21,280 the open in that setting. And that's that's not how housing related 638 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:25,040 subdivision and partition decisions are supposed to be made anymore. 639 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,480 um we're just supposed to stick to the clear and objective 640 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:35,599 facts. And um since that's the case, that is a 641 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:42,119 matter that as sort of as a matter of principle you could argue is more 642 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,119 appropriate for staff to handle. 643 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:50,240 » Answer your question, Eric. You didn't like the answer. Not that I don't like 644 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:57,280 it. I'm just confused though. um like are we supposed to deliberate or are we 645 00:54:53,359 --> 00:55:00,880 not supposed to anymore? >> Yeah, on a on a housing related 646 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:06,079 subdivision application, um 647 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:10,720 there there just isn't much room 648 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:16,800 for deliberation. 649 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:22,000 um like the staff report will you know increasingly look more like a checklist. 650 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,680 Um and 651 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:30,240 to the extent that there is something to deliberate over like and if and if you 652 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:35,920 denied the application 653 00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:40,960 or imposed a condition of approval on the application that was the result of 654 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:46,000 deliberation. um 655 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:50,559 there's a decent chance that that deliberation was not on a matter that is 656 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:56,079 clear and objective otherwise there'd be nothing to deliberate about. 657 00:55:53,440 --> 00:56:00,240 I know it's difficult to so I think I get the picture that you want to have 658 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:05,440 the hearing, you want to have the whole thing discussed, but we don't really get 659 00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:14,000 to decide, so to speak, in the sense that it's already the the uh ordinances 660 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:21,480 are already decided for us kind of. Yeah, the issues are already decided for 661 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,480 us, but we get to hear about it. 662 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:33,440 » Yeah. Yeah, we all do, right? But we're not really in a decision 663 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:38,240 making position as much as we were, >> right? I mean, you you are you the the 664 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:43,760 decision in August, the decisions in August will be yours on those 665 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:49,839 subdivisions. Uh but increasingly like um 666 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:56,319 if you exercise discretion and judgment um your decision is 667 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,599 increasingly appealable these days. Yeah. 668 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,960 » Yeah. Okay. I I understand. I I thank you for the clarification. 669 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:10,400 » Yeah. >> Any other questions for carrot? 670 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:15,599 » You know. Hey, you're all easy. So we will you will present to the city 671 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:20,000 council in August then a planned workshop 672 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:25,599 where we'll discuss what you have unless the city council has something you don't 673 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:30,000 foresee at this point and then we will have the public hearing where we can 674 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:36,880 hear from everyone all at the same time so everyone gets an equal chance uh in 675 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:40,480 October. Is that correct? >> Yeah, as soon as October. We'll see how 676 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,000 it goes with city council and we'll see how the workshop goes with y'all in 677 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,440 September. But >> okay, 678 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:52,720 » so that it's best to have public hearing for everyone at one time so everyone 679 00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:59,520 gets an equal chance. >> Okay, that that is fine. 680 00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:07,359 » Okay. All right. So, thank you, Garrett. What else do we have on agenda? Concerns 681 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:13,280 of the commission. Are there concerns? Um, my concern, I just put down 682 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:19,280 fireworks. That was my concern. >> Gearhart needs to do something about the 683 00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:26,079 fireworks. >> The interesting piece is that we did 684 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:29,520 have a firework complaint one. That was it. 685 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:33,040 » That's because we were all told unless they were shooting at you, do not call 686 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:37,520 them. >> It was It was an interesting statistic. 687 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:41,119 They are not shooting. We just keep awake at night. Okay. We have no 688 00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:47,119 questions for the land use because we don't have it. It is 7:57. 689 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:52,400 No, it's 657. Sorry, Angelia. 657. 690 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:57,520 Me. >> Thank you all. Thank you, Gary. I know 691 00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:00,920 people chat. What is the fine heart for illegal fireworks? 692 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:07,640 first photos. >> I do not know what DRS is.