1 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:58,480 Welcome board uh and welcome members of the public who came tonight. Appreciate 2 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:01,359 you being here. We are going to call this meeting to order at this time of 3 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:06,400 the Georgetown Township Board of Trustees. And we'd like to begin always 4 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:10,960 with a prayer of dedication for guidance. And so we'll look to uh to 5 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,520 Jean tonight. >> Thank you, Jim. Pray. 6 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,680 Thank you, Lord, for bringing us together tonight. Lord, we ask for 7 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,680 guidance and wisdom as we go through this agenda and meeting that we have. 8 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:27,920 [clears throat] We ask you, Lord, to continue to be with our township, be 9 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:31,680 with our employees, Lord, and the hard work that they do. We ask that you just 10 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,600 continue to guide them. Also, our firefighters and policemen, Lord, keep 11 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,880 them safe. They can go home to their families. 12 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:44,159 Lord, we thank you for this beautiful day that we had today and we thank you 13 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,119 for your many blessings bestowed upon all of us and we just love you Jesus. 14 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:52,840 Amen. >> Amen. Thank you. 15 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,840 » Stand for our pledge of allegiance. 16 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:03,520 I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 17 00:02:02,499 --> 00:02:10,080 [clears throat] republic >> for which it stands, one nation under 18 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:14,480 God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 19 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:18,640 » Thank you. May be seated. Ask our clerk to acknowledge the role. 20 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,881 » They're all present. >> Wonderful. [clears throat] 21 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,760 And how about a motion to approve tonight's agenda? So move 22 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,120 » support. >> Who's supported? Any questions, 23 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:34,560 concerns? Hearing none. All in favor say I. 24 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:39,920 » I. >> Any opposed? Our agenda is approved 25 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:44,480 tonight. So we thought we would squeeze in. We saw Representative Slaw here 26 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:47,599 tonight and uh he'd like a chance to just give us an update from Lancing. 27 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:52,720 We'll squeeze him in on the front end here if we can. appreciate you comingate 28 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,480 » that you'd be willing to squeeze me in at the beginning. So, thank you for 29 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:59,680 doing that. >> Yeah, no problem. 30 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:03,519 » So, in Lancing, uh been really light in having to be there. There's just not 31 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:07,680 been much call to be there that based on what's going on with um first the 32 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:13,440 primary election, then other stuff happening. Um, this last weekend, I'm 33 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:19,840 sure most of you guys were uh aware that the uh uh the nominating convention 34 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:25,920 happened for the Republican party and so that took a bunch of the air out of uh 35 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:32,159 and time out of things. Um, probably for my experience, that was uh probably the 36 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:34,959 nicest, most friendly, congenial uh statewide convent nominating 37 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:39,680 convention I've been to in all the years that I've been in uh political world. um 38 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:43,920 which was way more fun to walk away from that because I feel like oh maybe 39 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,519 there's a different kind of uh face that's being put on the party which is a 40 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,400 good thing. Um there are several things that are that are out there though that 41 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:54,080 you guys might be interested in. One is the and they're related to well the 42 00:03:52,560 --> 00:04:00,480 first two are related to the citizen petition drives. Uh there's a drive to 43 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:08,080 it's called money out of politics. So, MLP um and the the goal is to keep uh 44 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:13,519 large organizations from be able to put money in to try and influence elections. 45 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:18,880 Specifically though, it it details that it would be any organization that has a 46 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:28,960 government contract that has $250,000 in revenue or more in a year. um or uh 47 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:36,000 utilities so DTE consumers energy they and um it includes uh because it's the 48 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:40,639 the contract kind of stuff so uh Blue Cross Blue Shield would be 49 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:47,919 affected and what would happen is there if this goes if the petition drive goes 50 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:55,600 through is that there'd be um you'd have so just lost words here. So, 51 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:59,040 um you'd have uh the inability for those organizations to be able to put money 52 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:03,840 into political things. So, anything that's that could smack us politics, you 53 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:08,080 they would not be able to put money into it. Interestingly, um it does not 54 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:12,240 include unions or any of those kind of things. So, we're wondering why and 55 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:18,240 what's happening with the with the whole process. Um it it would be interesting. 56 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:26,000 It's a freedom of speech thing for me. So, let's just say that Gary worked for 57 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:30,400 um uh DTE. He would not be able to give money even personally to anybody that's 58 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,919 doing political stuff. So, he wouldn't be able to write a check to any of you. 59 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:38,880 Um and we just think that's a freedom of speech issue and it will be contested, 60 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:46,160 I'm sure. Uh there's also a citizenonly voting um thing ballot proposal that's 61 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:51,039 out there. Um, and the ballot review committee is saying, "Oh, you they don't 62 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:56,960 have enough signatures to be able to put that on the ballot." And they're talking 63 00:05:53,600 --> 00:06:03,600 seven signatures out of 700,000 that they collected that they're short, seven 64 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:08,240 valid signatures. Um, so we're questioning how does that all fall and 65 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:12,000 and who's doing it. Um there is there will definitely be lawsuits related to 66 00:06:09,919 --> 00:06:17,840 this when it comes out just based on the way that uh we believe it's going to 67 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:26,000 fall. Um PA233 continues to be in the news. Um that's where it's the township 68 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:31,440 zoning and planning is put it set aside by three people in Lancing who can 69 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:36,960 decide where a a solar field goes, where a wind turbine system gets set up, where 70 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,720 a data center gets set up. Um, and so we're concerned about that as well. 71 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:46,080 We'll continue to work on trying to find a way to to take that out. It was that 72 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:51,199 PA233 was put in place when it was a Democrat trifecta. So they had the 73 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,880 legislature, the executive branch um and they they pushed [clears throat] it 74 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:59,440 through and uh obviously that's making an impact in Zealand Township, Jamestown 75 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:04,400 as close as your doors uh next door neighbors. Anyway, those just a couple 76 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:09,199 updates and uh we're back in session again tomorrow. So, I'll be in Lancing. 77 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Happy to answer any questions now or later. 78 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,800 » Questions? >> I have two. What's your thoughts on 79 00:07:15,039 --> 00:07:20,639 opening up the constitution for the state? 80 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:24,800 » Um, I I think there's some really valid reasons. We've got some we've put a lot 81 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:30,080 of stuff in place over the years that has changed the flavor of some of that 82 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:35,360 constitutional language. Um, so that part is good. there's um some concerns 83 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:40,639 about what gets opened up and how much and do you want everything open at at 84 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:45,280 any given time. So there's still questions about how are we going to do 85 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:50,880 that and how how best does it work. >> Second question is and I predicted this 86 00:07:47,599 --> 00:07:56,720 about a year ago. My fear is that and I seen that uh the state is getting with U 87 00:07:53,759 --> 00:08:01,039 of M for a data center and if that's the case will they be able to circumvent 88 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,680 where data centers go because you know as well as I do colleges and schools can 89 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:10,800 do whatever they want to they do not go by zoning they don't go by building code 90 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:14,960 they go by state so I'm curious if that's a loophole that data centers are 91 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,919 going to be able to use by partnering up with a college or a university and build 92 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:23,360 a data center under education So the answer is I believe you're right 93 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:29,440 that there is a possibility of making that happen. Um with the advent of PA233 94 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:34,080 they probably can do it um maybe even under better cover than they would have 95 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:39,440 by themselves. They can do it now with this PA233 which will help them and uh 96 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:43,599 enable them to make that happen. >> That was my fear. I I said right away 97 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:47,360 that's that's going to be what's going to happen. I see in the news U of M is 98 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,839 already targeting it. So >> you open the door and there's 99 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,200 something's going to stick its head in there, right? 100 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:55,600 » Mhm. >> Well, the problem is has been the 101 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,720 schools can do whatever they want. They don't even follow zoning laws. They 102 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,160 follow setbacks. They do whatever they want. They're not they don't they're not 103 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:05,920 they're not under any township organization. You look at even our old 104 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,640 local schools, they don't build according to setbacks. They got 105 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:12,720 buildings too close to the road. They just do what they want and they don't 106 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:16,000 have any oversight. So if they don't have oversight and the data centers 107 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,839 figure that out, they can turn around and say, "We'll call an education. We 108 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:24,480 can do that >> and they can circumvent property taxes 109 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:29,200 too. >> So that's something to watch." 110 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,360 » Brad, question on that ballot initiative regarding voting. You said, you know, 111 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,720 they're saying that they had fallen seven short. I'm presuming they 112 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,160 submitted many more over whatever the requirement was and the state is saying 113 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:43,440 hey we've examined and knocked out these certain signatures to the point where 114 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,640 it's just below the threshold. Is that correct? 115 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:50,000 » That is correct. >> So the litigation that would be ongoing 116 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:53,200 is it intended to be and would it be accelerated such that there'd be a 117 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,720 decision one way or another before it's too late for the November primary or 118 00:09:55,680 --> 00:10:00,240 general election? >> Yes, you are absolutely correct. That's 119 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:04,880 the that would be the goal. they would um you'd put it out there and try and 120 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:09,360 get directly into the state's uh Supreme Court work at at it from the top because 121 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,880 you got to get you have to get there really quickly. 122 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:17,360 » Yeah. And if somehow that didn't happen, that is it didn't go quickly enough. It 123 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:20,959 was specifically targeted for this election cycle, meaning you'd have to 124 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,240 start over again if you tried to do it for the following cycle. Right. 125 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:27,839 » That is you are absolutely correct. >> Okay. 126 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:34,560 » Turned in roughly 725,000 signatures. They needed 480. 127 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:38,000 » Okay. So, they're saying that 245,000 >> of those signatures are invalid. 128 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,360 Slightly more than that. >> Correct. 129 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,000 » Okay. >> Wow. 130 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:45,839 » That and that number is significantly different than some of the other 131 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:52,399 proposals that have come along um in the past where they've you know so the 132 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:56,560 question is is it is it right? Is it fair? 133 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,920 » Okay. Meaning is it right or is it fair as to which signatures are valid or is 134 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:04,160 it right or is it fair as to what the actual proposal is? 135 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,920 » No, it's that the signatures would be valid. 136 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:11,279 » Okay. >> I mean you over here you'd think it 137 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:15,519 would be almost mathematical in sense of these are the rules and it either 138 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:21,200 complies with those rules or it doesn't. >> Right. But that they're complying with 139 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:24,959 the rules would make sense if the ones before this all doveetailed into what 140 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,120 you're seeing now. >> Yeah, 141 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,480 » that's not how it is. The ones before this had much more leniency than what's 142 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,880 happening with this. >> You know what's really interesting about 143 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,480 that, Brad? I'm sure it's being argued, but that's the exact opposite of what's 144 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:42,480 happening with voting generally, meaning we've relaxed the rules since co to 145 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:45,360 where certain things are allowed to be examined again. That signature isn't 146 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,600 just right or you miss something, you can correct your ballot or I mean, it's 147 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:53,839 all been in the in the direction of either leniency or corrective action. 148 00:11:51,839 --> 00:11:56,000 This would seem to mitigate the opposite direction. You're 149 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,920 » absolutely correct. >> Yeah. Well, 150 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:04,880 we'll watch that. Good. >> Anybody else? 151 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Okay, hearing none. We appreciate that. >> Thanks for having me on first. 152 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:11,680 » Thank you. It's good seeing you. >> All right, item six on our agenda 153 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,760 tonight is communication letters and reports which have been received for 154 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:19,680 information. And item seven, I look to the general public here public comment 155 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,839 on the items of tonight's agenda, of which it's a it's a shorter agenda than 156 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:28,480 most. So, we've got an item regarding the master plan. We've got an item 157 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:32,720 regarding um assessing. And so is there anyone here tonight who's looking to 158 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:35,440 speak to those particular items? If not, you'll get another opportunity here 159 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:44,279 toward the end of the meeting to speak to whatever you wish. So, 160 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:44,279 welcome to step forward. Yes, sir. 161 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:55,440 » Hey, my name is Kevin [clears throat] Hzinger, 2669 Tamarak Drive. Um, I just 162 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:00,800 wanted to get some clarification or I guess put it on record in the video. Um, 163 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:06,720 I just had concerns. Um, I am not an attorney by any means. Um, but I did 164 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:12,399 notice that one of the uh land uses for future and current land use is 165 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:20,720 explicitly church. Um, and I agree that probably most of the township uh would 166 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:26,240 only ever attend a church. Um, but I kind of feel that that's a little bit uh 167 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:32,160 specific and uh could kind of maybe set the township up uh for some legal 168 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:36,880 ramifications potentially um if another religious institution that doesn't call 169 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:42,480 itself a church wanted to come in. Um I also noticed that that's also used in 170 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:48,560 the zoning ordinance um specifically. So, I would uh kind of think that that 171 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:53,519 could also get looked at by uh legal counsel just to make sure that no one's 172 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:57,360 uh being set up to potentially have the township be sued over any type of 173 00:13:55,839 --> 00:14:01,880 religious freedoms or anything like that. Thanks. 174 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,880 » Thanks for coming. 175 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:05,800 » Anyone else? 176 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,600 » All right. Seeing none, we'll close that initial public comment period. Item 177 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:15,279 number eight on your agenda tonight is your consent agenda. Is there a motion 178 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,240 to approve tonight's fairly short consent agenda? 179 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:22,480 » Some move. >> Okay. Any comments? 180 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:25,199 » All in favor say I. >> I. 181 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:29,519 » Any opposed? Passes. Item nine then, master plan 182 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:33,680 update. And I thank you that we've got Tanya here from Wayman Works tonight. 183 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:38,480 The Ala Varia. Is that how I say the last name, Tanya? Is that okay? Yeah. 184 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,560 Say my last name. Maybe you can get me back. Okay. Well, that's perfect. 185 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,639 Actually, you grew up Granville, though. Yeah, there you go. [laughter] 186 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:52,480 Uh, thank you, uh, Tanya, for being here. As this board well knows, we spent 187 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:56,320 considerable time this past um, meeting uh, running through the master plan as 188 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,000 that have been presented to us by the planning commission. It went back to the 189 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:05,519 planning commission with the various comments that were made both verbally 190 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:08,639 and in in writing. Um, I know Ryan worked on this. I know Manette worked on 191 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:11,920 this. I know Tanya worked on this. I know the planning commission worked on 192 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,279 this as well. And they're meeting this p past Wednesday and they have submitted 193 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:23,440 and you've seen it as links in your agenda tonight um an updated version. 194 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:27,920 And so uh tonight what we expect will happen is that there will be a master 195 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:33,120 plan resolution that we'll vote upon uh so that the next steps in the process 196 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:39,519 can occur and we can bring this to a conclusion. Um, and I want Tanya in a 197 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:43,760 moment to be able to talk about at a 30,000 foot view. This is what remains 198 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:50,160 to be done and here's when it becomes official, assuming all goes as planned. 199 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:54,480 So, um, with that in mind, I'll I'll simply make the comment that I went 200 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:58,720 through after you all went through and and did the work you did to see that the 201 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,759 things that were discussed this past meeting that were forwarded to the 202 00:15:59,839 --> 00:16:06,639 planning commission were incorporated. And from my review, point by point, they 203 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:11,839 all seem to be incorporated. So, I I don't see an omission in that respect. 204 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:15,440 Um, and I appreciate that. And I want to say further on the record, I said it 205 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:20,880 last week, but Tanya weren't here, how much we appreciate the amount of time 206 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:27,440 that you and the planning commission and Ryan in particular have spent on this 207 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:32,560 process for now 18 months. Um, and that's just a whole lot of time and 208 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,759 hours and, you know, public input and debate and discussion and we had a 209 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:40,000 couple of joint meetings as you know with you and just there's a lot a lot a 210 00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:43,920 lot that went into this process this time. And we don't anticipate that every 211 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:48,000 time, but it had been a couple of decades and and so it was a very 212 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,360 significant undertaking. I just want to say on the record again how much we 213 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,959 appreciate the time and the effort you put in. Gary, you're the only one who 214 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,320 was on both sides. So I arguably, you might say maybe between you and Ryan. 215 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,156 Um, >> no, most time. I don't know. 216 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,920 » Ryan did a whole lot more than I did. [laughter] 217 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:09,360 » I just cheerleaded Ryan. It's all I did. Came came in at a boy and pat him on the 218 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:13,679 back and good job. Good job, Ryan. Good job. So we we thank you and and there's 219 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,600 there's a lot of creativity and thought that's gone into this, there are some 220 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:23,039 changes that we call somewhat material to what previous master plan was, but we 221 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:26,720 felt like confined within the goals as they're shared among the leadership of 222 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:31,440 the township. And and I want to say, I think I said this last meeting as well, 223 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:34,160 but um there's not a one person on this planning commission or on this 224 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:40,880 particular board right here, our Georgetown board, who has anything but 225 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:45,679 the desire to see this township uh succeed and be a place that they love to 226 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:51,520 call their home because that's where we live, right? And so I I think 227 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:58,160 motivation-wise in all, it's just been um strong for the township uh across 228 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:02,720 both boards. And that doesn't mean, as we well know, that means that doesn't 229 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:06,160 mean unonymity, but it does mean that we're coming from the same place of 230 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:12,160 desire to make things better for our residents. So, I appreciate that fact 231 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:17,840 and that we can reach a consensus that doesn't give everybody everything they 232 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:22,640 wished, but um results in a good collaboration that we can all feel like 233 00:18:19,679 --> 00:18:27,520 has advanced, you know, the township and in this important document that helps to 234 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:31,840 guide future policy. Um, I want to say one more thing also. I I think I 235 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:35,840 misspoke somewhat in the last meeting in terms of how I represented Josiah 236 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:40,480 Sammy's view of when I was talking about some of the more rural areas and the 237 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:44,960 wish to protect some of that um for green space and for you know buffer and 238 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:49,679 just beauty and and all the rest and um if I misspoken that way I apologize 239 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:52,240 because uh he and I would say the planning commission as a whole and of 240 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:57,120 course Tonnie you spent a lot of time with him on this but uh every one of 241 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:01,520 them would say we love and appreciate the fact that we don't want one kind of 242 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:05,760 thing happening everywhere. And I know for a fact, for example, with Josiah, 243 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:11,200 that he appreciates uh the the buffering, the the the you know, open 244 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:15,600 natural space and and farmland and rural residential and some of those things. 245 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:19,440 And so, um I didn't want to I didn't want to pit it as one view or another, 246 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:24,240 but I think it's really something that is a shared view and uh sometimes it's 247 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,880 more in how do you express it and what else do you offset that with? that I 248 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,799 feel like the planning commission believes they've offset that strength 249 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:39,440 that's come out of this master plan related to our value of farmland and and 250 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:43,280 rural residential with uh new creative type of opportunities in different 251 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:48,320 pockets within the township for what we might want to see happen in the future 252 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,640 uh with development and the like. And so I I do think there's a there's a 253 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:57,120 trade-off there, right? that that I'd say most probably fall some on each 254 00:19:54,559 --> 00:20:01,440 side, even if they favor one more one side than another. So, I just wanted to 255 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:06,160 to make that clear in case I misspoke last time. So, the the floor is open um 256 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,520 among ourselves. If there's anything more that wasn't said before that you 257 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:13,919 want to say, now is a good time to do so. Um after which we'll have Tanya just 258 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:19,120 briefly address sort of what would happen next and then we could have a 259 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:22,160 roll call vote. Well, I'll just say which I said the 260 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:28,000 last meeting, but Tanya was there. I appreciated her work and um I felt that 261 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,240 you didn't come agenda driven, which I really appreciated. You you we asked 262 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:36,159 questions, you gave if you didn't have an answer, I'll find out. You came back, 263 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:42,919 you did that, and I think you did a really good job. I appreciated your work 264 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,919 on it. So, yeah. 265 00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:53,520 I I had a chance to talk to Ryan this morning and just very um 266 00:20:50,880 --> 00:21:01,360 casual and I said that was probably the most productive meeting 267 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:10,000 um but we as a board collaborated um that I've ever ever participated in. 268 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:15,840 it uh was done incredibly well and Ryan had shared with me that Manette had said 269 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:21,679 the same thing that as she watched it um she thought it was incredibly productive 270 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:26,640 and you alluded to this before Jim that uh 271 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:32,159 every 5 years sometimes it's almost I don't say rubber stamp but very few 272 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:37,280 changes are made and this was much more significant 273 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:42,400 And the world is changing. The power in Lancing has changed dramatically where 274 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:46,880 they pulled power away from local municipalities. 275 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:51,520 And I think this is a way to uh address that. 276 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:57,679 And in 5 years, another board things can shift. But u I thought it was done 277 00:21:54,559 --> 00:22:01,679 incredibly well and I felt very comfortable. I think everyone else did. 278 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,520 Michan, >> you covered a lot of ground last time, 279 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:09,840 so I feel very comfortable with all the work that everybody has done, uh, 280 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:15,080 especially behind the scenes and, you know, all your efforts. So, thank you. 281 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,080 Kudos. 282 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:25,200 » Excuse [clears throat] me. Do we have a copy now that is has the changes on it? 283 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,840 » Okay. >> Do you have it on there? 284 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,039 Can I speak >> everything that everything that we 285 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:41,120 » have written down the yellow things will be changed and I just 286 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:45,039 » I guess just my own satisfaction just like to see it just to see what the 287 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:48,080 wording was or whatever. >> Other than that I have no problem 288 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,760 » wasn't one of the the attachments and the links here as I went through it. It 289 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,679 was an August 18 version which was a day before their meeting on the 19th which 290 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,360 then out of that came like a page of additional. So the combination thereof, 291 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,880 you're right, we've not seen that final last integration. And maybe we could 292 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:08,159 even say and understand for the record, so to speak, that assuming this were to 293 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:11,200 be um advanced or I think the the resolution, correct me if I'm wrong, 294 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:15,280 Kelly, is more or less, you know, it is our intent, right? It's our intent to do 295 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960 thus and such is not the final vote, >> right? There's still a lot of steps to 296 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,919 take. >> Yeah. So that if there was something 297 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,679 that got missed, >> we can clean that up, right? 298 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:28,000 » Don't anticipate it, but we can do that. Yeah. No problem. Y 299 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:34,400 We've all said it a few different ways, but I'll just uh I think clarify my 300 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:38,480 feelings on it and selfishly take a little bit of credit because I I feel 301 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:43,039 like I this was something that was really important to me to use a 302 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:47,200 reputable company to do a master plan this goound. Um, and it wasn't my sole 303 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:53,600 decision, but I pushed really hard for it because you can see through the data 304 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:57,039 that we are sort of reaching the end of our our growth boom. And that's not to 305 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:01,520 say that we don't still have yet a lot of growth and development on the 306 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:07,039 horizon, but we're slowing down a bit. And so we're really at this interesting 307 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:11,600 crux of we still feel like we're in this growth mindset. But the reality is is 308 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:15,760 we're kind of shifting into a slower and steadier growth and now it becomes even 309 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:20,000 more important for us to curate that and exactly where we want the last bits of 310 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:23,840 developable land to be. And I do feel like it was important to work with a 311 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,840 company like Williams and Works. Tony did a great job. I just think that it 312 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:31,440 really captured what was important to our board, what was important to the 313 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:37,279 planning commission. I think there was a lot of uh compromise and really good 314 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:41,919 discussion by both parties. Um, and I'm I use this phrase a lot. We deserve nice 315 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:46,240 things and this is a a wonderful master plan that will, I think, really guide 316 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:50,880 the future of our our township moving forward. So, thank you for all of your 317 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:53,760 work. Everybody, Ryan and Tanya and Planning Commission. I really appreciate 318 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,679 it. >> Well put. Um this would be a good time 319 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Tanya if you want to come forward and just address it again a high level view 320 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,480 it gets published to whom and then when do we actually officially go okay it's 321 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:07,840 adopted. >> Sure. 322 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:12,880 » So um the wrong file but I I know that we have 323 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:19,039 addressed all the edits. So, I will make sure that Ryan and Justin get that final 324 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:22,320 draft um that um the planning commission, the board have gone back and 325 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:27,440 forth about and collaborated on. So, I'll just say that. Um so, from here, um 326 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:32,000 after tonight's meeting, um there is a formal 63-day review period that, uh the 327 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:36,159 plan must go through, uh to meet the Michigan Planning Enabling Act. And that 328 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:41,120 allows any member of your community, anybody um but as well as uh your uh 329 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:46,240 neighboring communities, your adjacent communities, um you know, utilities, 330 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:50,480 MDOT, there's a specific list of agencies that get a formal uh letter 331 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:55,760 that says the draft plan is out for review. Um at that point, then uh the 332 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,840 public is welcome to provide comments. We will also be having an open house 333 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:04,159 that I will be later coordinating with um Justin and Ryan to make sure that the 334 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,919 public has not only just, you know, an opportunity because it's online, but we 335 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,159 will have um an open house where people can come and talk to us and view and ask 336 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:17,520 questions specifically. Um during that 63-day review period, comments may come 337 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:19,520 in. Usually, they don't. And uh >> yeah, 338 00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:23,360 » if there is, that's that's great. Um Brian and I will and Justin will address 339 00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:29,760 those. if there's anything like significant um or to note, we will kind 340 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:34,000 of or go through those and um let the planning commission know and and and 341 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:37,840 whatnot. I don't anticipate anything. However, you know, you never know. Um 342 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:43,679 and the comments will be coming to the township uh from that after the 63-day 343 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:48,080 review period closes. Um then it goes the draft plan then goes to uh public 344 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:53,279 hearing during the planning commission and um the then the planning commission 345 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:59,120 recommends that the draft or plan become the approved plan by the township board 346 00:26:55,679 --> 00:27:03,919 and then the township board um would then uh approve adopt the final master 347 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:08,240 plan. Again, if there's any comments uh that come in from the public that are um 348 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:13,039 substantial, we'll go through that. That may um warrant further discussion and if 349 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:17,360 we need to make adjustments, we'll kind of do that at the end or after the 350 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:22,880 63-day review period. But at this point, all the hard work has been done. Um it 351 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:26,159 may take, you know, in 63 days, we also like to give a little cushion and buffer 352 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,640 because of mail and all that sort of stuff. So, it's really like roughly, you 353 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,720 know, five, six months from now, which sounds like a long time, but because of 354 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:39,600 everything, it it's just process really at this point. Um, again though, the 355 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:44,320 public will have opportunity for public comment and um, you know, uh, for them 356 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:49,679 to weigh in as well as what they see in the plan. Once the, uh, final plan is 357 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:56,080 adopted, it's your current master plan and away you guys go for the next five 358 00:27:51,440 --> 00:28:00,399 years. Um and uh the master plan process um the of the document itself is 359 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,480 complete but then it's actually on to implementing the plan which is the real 360 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,720 work. >> I need to clarify when you said that 361 00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:09,520 five to six months a moment ago um I envisioned that there would be something 362 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,200 probably coming back in front of us in November 363 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:16,480 » that possibly called a vote on or not. So, um I'm not going to do the math in 364 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:18,880 my head like >> after the 63 days, 365 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:24,080 » but kind of at the basically at either the end of 2026, [clears throat] early 366 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:28,480 2027. It kind of depends on, you know, uh where those 63 days, you know, plus a 367 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:33,200 week or two buffer on either side and, you know, when you're when the planning 368 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:36,000 commission meets when the board township >> I've done that math and that would still 369 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,159 fit within this year. But then you said something about five or six months. So 370 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:43,760 like kind of roughly from now if I tell you four months you know and it's five 371 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,039 months then you're going to be well Tanya it was it was you said four 372 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,480 months. Yeah. So >> my question was is that something beyond 373 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,559 the 63 day and the plan? >> No no no that's just giving roughly 374 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:58,080 roughly 6 months from now. Maybe it lands more like four or five months. 375 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,399 Maybe it's more like five or six. I'm telling you six to kind of give in just 376 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,600 a little bit of cushion. >> But my naive to think of you know 63 377 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,960 days from now is like October 26. And then let's say they meet for the 378 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:12,240 first meeting for planning commission in November and they go, "All right, you 379 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,679 know, here's what we're going to do." And then maybe it's too late to get it 380 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:21,520 to our November meeting. So the first meeting in December, we look at I mean, 381 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:25,440 wouldn't it still likely be this year? >> I mean, it'd either be like December or 382 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:30,799 January. So when I say like the end of this year, it's only because the way the 383 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:34,960 calendar falls. And again, like 63 days is the statuto thing, but I'm also 384 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:40,559 looking out for you for any potential future lawsuits. And even though it says 385 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:45,919 63 days, uh our um our kind of our best planning practices, it's 63 days from 386 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:50,159 the time your letter gets received by the municipality. 387 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,919 So, you know, unless you drop, you have to drop the and it's by mail that 388 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,919 because the U Michigan planning and so there's there's minutia, right? Like I 389 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:03,039 can talk to you about that minutia here. No problem. Um I will work after the 390 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:06,559 meeting is done tonight and I um I'm getting the flavor that you would pass 391 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:11,919 the resolution. I will talk with Ryan and Justin and we'll have a much better 392 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:16,320 understanding of when that actual 63-day period plus a couple weeks and kind of 393 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,440 start to look at um you know when the next planning commission would be after 394 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,640 that and then when the next township board would meet after that. 395 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,000 » The reason I'm kind of interested in that is it would it would tend to 396 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:28,080 coincide with the end of our moratorum. Yes. That'd be nice, right? To have 397 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,399 that. >> Yep. 398 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:36,640 » I am I am trying to balance again the in the uh in the future you could uh 399 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:41,279 potentially get sued on master plan process, right? And so because of the we 400 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:45,520 want to make sure you're following the process and not like if somebody sends 401 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:50,320 out the letter and you don't give them like a full week to get that letter and 402 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:53,919 so on and so forth. just trying to give you a little bit of buffer rather than 403 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,080 exactly 63 days and then let's say the letter doesn't get out on time and all 404 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,600 that because of US mail the I'm sure Justin and Ryan will email stuff but 405 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:06,480 again because the Michigan Planning Enabling Act was written per 406 00:31:04,151 --> 00:31:10,399 [clears throat] like USPS you know US mail so 407 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,919 » um that has been our planning practice and that has stood us by goodstead and 408 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,120 that's kind of what you're also hiring us for is to kind of look out for those 409 00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:22,480 little kind of gray areas those contingencies not because it's uh 410 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,559 unimportant but because we are actually trying to keep your best interest and 411 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,320 everything kind of the margins clear moving forward so you don't have to 412 00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:34,320 worry about you know if master plan stuff comes into play and during a 413 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,760 development you know and go through FOYA they'll see that they through this 414 00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:42,399 process we met the Michigan planning enabling act plan master plan process 415 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:46,640 and we weren't short by a week and so all all of a sudden they got you on a 416 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,640 process so that's what that's about Mhm. Okay. 417 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,960 » Thank you. >> Thank you guys very much. 418 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:59,679 » Thank you. I want to say before we have the resolution vote to the public that's 419 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,880 here, um public input that you're describing, Tanya, is additional public 420 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,440 input, meaning there's already been significant public input, probably more 421 00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:11,919 than we've had maybe ever. Uh and so much of what you'd see in the in the 422 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:18,320 master plan itself, the last 75 pages maybe or 50 pages is public input. Uh 423 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,279 and so certainly there's been a a a terrific opportunity for the public to 424 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:28,399 give input thus far and there will be one last chance if you will. So all 425 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:35,200 right. Well, this is a roll call vote and again u we need to have a a motion 426 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:40,240 to approve. Me just pull this up here. And we were 427 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:44,399 given a draft resolution. If someone whoever is looking to make 428 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,480 the motion uh would like to phrase that here, it's 429 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:52,399 it's it's an approval, but it's it's an intent to adopt basically. So, is there 430 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,760 someone who' like to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve a 431 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,320 resolution approving the mass draft master plan for distribution asserting 432 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,640 the township board's right to adopt such a master plan. 433 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,519 » Okay. >> As written, 434 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:11,279 » move supported by Kelly. Okay. Uh, all right. 435 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,640 Everyone had their their say last time this time. Okay, it's a roll call vote. 436 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,159 Uh, >> wearing 437 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,519 » yes. >> Schwam, 438 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,600 » yes. >> Grassman, 439 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,440 » yes. Beldink, >> yes. 440 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,440 » Yes. >> Kelly, 441 00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:29,760 » yes. >> Yes. All in favor? 442 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:34,399 » All right. Thank you. Item number 10 tonight, interlocal 443 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:38,480 agreement. Um, is there a motion to approve the interlocal agreement for 444 00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:42,240 Ottawa County to approve the designated assessor for the period beginning 445 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,919 January 1, 2027? >> So move. 446 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:51,320 » Support and supported. All right. Discussion among the board. 447 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,480 Again, for the benefit of our public tonight, either watching or here in 448 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:01,600 person, um, this is not a choice of of who we 449 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:07,120 want as our assessor. We have our assess our assessing um being conducted by the 450 00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:10,960 county. Uh this is more the question of if there were to be a failure of an 451 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:14,639 audit by the state and I think even a second failure. Does it take two? Yeah. 452 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,079 There has to be somebody to whom you have to get a new assessor. So you 453 00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:23,760 either hire one you have this designated assessor as has been proposed here or 454 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:27,200 the state will choose yours. So I think their hope is tell me Justin if I'm 455 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:33,040 right that every municipality in the in the county would say yes. You know, 456 00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:34,399 Brian Busher would be the the person, >> correct? 457 00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:37,119 » Be the designated. Yeah. >> Correct. 458 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,119 » And has been, right? >> Correct. 459 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,440 » Yeah. So, continuing. >> Correct. 460 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,399 » Yeah. Any questions, concerns? 461 00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:51,919 All right. Hearing none. All in favor say I. 462 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:57,520 » I. I. >> Any opposed? All right. It passes. 463 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,760 Well, already to our second public comment period. Uh, as I said, it's a 464 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,760 shorter agenda tonight. So, this is your opportunity as a member of the public 465 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:10,599 either speak to the issues we've just gone over or anything that's on your 466 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,599 mind. 467 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:20,880 » F1482 Winterfred. Facebook isn't always accurate, but uh, if it is, happy 468 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,599 birthday, Jim. >> That's [laughter] funny. 469 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,920 » Accurate on that one. >> Was it accurate or was 470 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,800 » it was accurate? Yeah. Started my day with a dead battery. It's been getting 471 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,400 » your birthday. Congratulations. Appreciate it. Um, [laughter] we're 472 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,480 pretty light nature here, Justin. I'm very happy with the uh young men and 473 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,599 women working at 8 Street checking the ID. 474 00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:42,480 » And the the thing to me that is most important that tells me they're doing a 475 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,680 great job is when I come in the second time, they go, "Oh, yeah. I know you're 476 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,680 good to go." So, I don't have to even show the ID there. Great work with uh 477 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,359 the park over there with the the basketball court 478 00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:57,680 uh pickle ball and stuff. that looks like it's going outstanding. Uh the 479 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:03,440 geese issue doesn't seem to be as bad at 8 Street Park there. So, congratulations 480 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:08,079 as that as well. Uh, one thing about budget stuff coming up with fire 481 00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:11,440 department issues. Again, I I do think we're still understaffed at the fire 482 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:17,839 department. And in my humble opinion, moving 483 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,680 forward, maybe instead of excuse me, not buying land, maybe spend some more money 484 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:25,839 to get some more people working at the fire department. 485 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,640 The I mean, the very basics of government are here, and this is as low 486 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:36,320 level of government as you can get. We're talking building roads, water, 487 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:39,839 sewer, fire, safety. I'm looking in the library budget in the senior center is 488 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,640 more. I believe we're right at the same amount we're spending on the fire 489 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,320 department. And right now, I believe we have two people maybe working 8 to five 490 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:51,599 full-time, which is an improvement, but they also have to handle calls now for 491 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:56,240 uh potential medical emergencies as well. And I don't know if you've seen 492 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,839 it, probably have. There's a video from probably about eight years ago where a 493 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,800 house burned down in Georgetown Township and before they could even get there, it 494 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:06,880 was almost burning down the house next to it. They had to spray it down. The 495 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:11,280 the shingles and stuff were going there. So, I don't know how much it would cost 496 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,040 to get at least maybe two people at all the stations because, you know, somebody 497 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,119 lives over on Kenno and you have two firefighters maybe at the branch that's 498 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:24,560 down over there on that side there. If they get called, you got to go through 499 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:28,160 lights, potential traffic. it could be easily 15 minutes before they get there 500 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,960 even with two people working there. And it's very important 501 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:37,119 uh that they get there soon as possible to try to mitigate damages and stuff 502 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,960 like that. So that's just something to consider uh in my opinion as the budget 503 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,000 comes up. Thank you. >> Thanks Sean. 504 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000 » Thanks Sean. 505 00:37:50,960 --> 00:38:01,040 My name is Nancy Pan. My last name is spelled P and Paul. O C H R O N. I live 506 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:09,040 at 6402 36th Avenue. Um first of all, I'd like to thank the EMTs. We I 507 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:14,480 personally had to call 911 on 88 and um along with the Ottawa County Sheriff's 508 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:19,839 Department and uh the EMTs uh that program is working. And secondly, I 509 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:24,400 would like to start uh I've been kind of away from things due to a family 510 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:31,520 emergency, but my concerns have to do with the speeds in the township. We I I 511 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:36,160 mean, mind you, the Baldwin area is is is is quite a concern since there have 512 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:42,640 been several fatalities, but over by where we live at 36th and Port Sheldon 513 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:49,040 and Alward School is there, we we don't even have a speed limit on 514 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:53,040 36th Avenue. Once once you cross in from Hudsonville into Georgetown Township, 515 00:38:51,200 --> 00:39:00,880 there's not even a speed limit sign there. And uh um I'm just afraid that we 516 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:04,240 need to kind of revisit and I don't know if the road commission has something to 517 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:09,760 do with it or it's just something of a concern within our own township 518 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:14,960 community because people aren't paying attention. They're 519 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:19,200 they're driving faster than even I mean I was even shocked to see that the 520 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:24,640 posted speed limit between 28th Avenue and 20th on on Rosewood is 50 miles an 521 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:30,160 hour. And that's a very heavily residential 522 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:33,760 area with a lot of children. I mean, there's Rosewood schools right over 523 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,240 there if my memory serves me correct. So, I just wanted to make a comment to 524 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:44,800 see if there's anything being considered about that because I think the speeds in 525 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:49,160 our township are too high. >> Thank you. 526 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,160 » Thank you. Thank you. 527 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,160 » Anyone else? 528 00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:07,200 Evan Hzinger, 2669 Tamarack Drive. Um, after last or the meeting two weeks ago, 529 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:11,200 um, I kind of felt like Justin kind of got a little bit of a short end of the 530 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:16,480 stick with the whole water billing fiasco, whatever that might have been, 531 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:21,119 Facebook. Um, but I just kind of wanted to say that I feel like he's pretty 532 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:26,240 awesome from everything that I've seen. um when he went over the budget at that 533 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:30,160 meeting um and just his communication and that he's open to answering 534 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,400 questions um and that I think it's pretty clear 535 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:38,240 that he's here to serve the public and not to serve himself. Um so I feel like 536 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:43,280 he kind of got the short end of the stick a little bit at that meeting. Um 537 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,400 so I want to put in a good word for him. >> Thanks Kevin. 538 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,560 » Thank you. >> Very nice. 539 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,438 » We agree. >> How much you paying them? [laughter] 540 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,720 Just wondering else. 541 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:02,800 » All right. Going once, twice. 542 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:07,520 We'll close that second public comment period. Uh item 12, discussion and 543 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:11,119 general information among the board. So looking to my right, I guess. Uh, 544 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:18,400 anybody >> just uh quickly with uh NY's comment 545 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:23,599 about the uh speed limits and we're very concerned about that too 546 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:28,480 far down on Rosewood. Um, 547 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:34,000 yeah, I believe it was 5055 and uh we had we got the the local, 548 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,960 excuse me, our local representatives involved 549 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:45,599 and uh basically the Michigan State Police decide and they put they monitor 550 00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:52,079 it and then the the problem is as they monitor it other sections then may get 551 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:55,119 kicked up and unfortunately we have very little power on that type 552 00:41:53,839 --> 00:42:00,400 of thing. And that's why you see many many communities where it it it jumps up 553 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:07,079 and it's scary how fast the cars are going, but locally we have very little 554 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:07,079 authority at all. 555 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,280 » But we 556 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,079 thank >> one of the things we'll appreciate too 557 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:21,200 in the new budget is there's discussion we'll have to consider about adding an 558 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:25,119 additional deputy with a traffic focus. Um, and then we're looking at other 559 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,160 possibilities beyond that, whether it be another deputy or whether it be some 560 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:33,280 form of overtime. But, um, those who are hopeful of more policing in that 561 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,960 respect, I think, are going to have their wish 562 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,119 » with that, you know, I think with that budget. So, we'll see. 563 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,960 » I have I have noticed in the last couple months there's more police presence in 564 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:50,720 Georgetown there's been a while. I get around the township a lot and I ride and 565 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:55,680 I have jobs going from Grand Haven to Jamestown and I've seen more presence 566 00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:02,160 lately in Georgetown Township I've had in a year. So I don't know if the new 567 00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:08,160 quadrant system you guys got going is working and that's the reason why. But I 568 00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:13,280 have seen more presence which is good >> that's that's key. Presence is key. 569 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,960 » By the way, Sheriff Dbor will be at our next meeting I believe. Is that right? 570 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,040 » Yeah. Next meeting. >> I just wanted to say one thing. I didn't 571 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:27,040 I didn't want to say it at the last meeting because I think the emotions 572 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:32,319 were running high over that uh Facebook debacle and the the water 573 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:38,160 billing issue. But I just want to say for the record a friendly reminder that 574 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:44,720 uh Facebook is not an accurate place to get your news. that the township board 575 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:48,800 is easily available and accessible via email. All of our emails are on the 576 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,280 website. I point that out because the Facebook posts will get hundreds of 577 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:58,640 comments and I don't have a single email from a resident and eight people will 578 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:03,119 public comment here at a meeting. But yet Facebook generates hundreds of 579 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,920 comments. And I just want to make clear that Facebook is not the source of 580 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:13,440 truth. That there are seven members here plus Justin, plus other staff people. 581 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:19,440 Our job is to serve the community. And we want to be able to do that. And so I 582 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:23,200 would just encourage people um to it takes just as long to write an email to 583 00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:27,920 the board as it does to make a post on Facebook. So I just think that we should 584 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:33,119 encourage folks to do a better job of coming to the source of truth. we're all 585 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:37,280 here and and able to speak to any of the issues that that might come up and I 586 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:40,560 know that we're all willing to do that. So, just wanted to put that out there. 587 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,359 » Yeah. >> Thanks, Kelly. 588 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:48,880 » Well said. Well said. I I want to mention this past uh Friday uh John and 589 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:53,680 Justin and I attended a Ottawa County leadership summit which was hosted in 590 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:58,160 Allenale and had all of the pretty much all the supervisors or mayors uh within 591 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,319 Ottawa County and several of the Ottawa County officials there and it was a good 592 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:07,200 discussion. It's just eye opening sometimes when you hear from other 593 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:10,079 cities and townships who are so busy. Of course, you you've got your own 594 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,119 responsibility right here, but when you hear from others and you realize some of 595 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,000 the things they struggle with, um whether it be the things we're obviously 596 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:20,800 aware of in Blendin or in Jamestown where they're kind of having their own 597 00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:26,720 battle with some things of land use, um water availability, and even to hear a 598 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:32,240 couple of them say, "We've got mostly dirt roads yet and we have no budget for 599 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:36,560 roads." It's like, wow, we are uh pretty blessed that way to go virtually every 600 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:43,280 road with the exception of a section of Jackson. Um, right, is is paved and on a 601 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:47,040 on a schedule. It's like, yeah, some of those things you maybe take for granted. 602 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,480 You see, wow, that's going way back in time to the point where this township 603 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,440 would have ever been where some of these are, and you realize that's there's a 604 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:59,839 lot of building ahead of them. That's going to be tough work, you know. Um, 605 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:04,640 and it's just nice to be to appreciate, you know, even though we strive for for 606 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:08,000 bettering things to realize how far things have come. So, 607 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:14,160 » it's a good uh good meeting, >> Jim. There was laughter about taxes 608 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:18,400 because as because all of them as they collect their taxes, people come in and 609 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,720 they say, "I am paying so much." and they'll say, "But that's going to the 610 00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:28,400 schools and it's going to Ottawa County and our percentage is well under 10%." 611 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:33,520 And people think we're getting by far the 612 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:39,680 majority of it. And we're and as Gary says frequently, we're 7 8% and all the 613 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:44,560 taxes that are collected for the summer, we don't get any of that. We collect it 614 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:50,000 so they think that this is where the money is at. And I'll have people say to 615 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:54,079 me, "We should kick in and help the schools." 616 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,240 Yet the schools, I believe, are about 65% or more. 617 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,280 » More >> 77 618 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,720 » 77%. >> Right across the room from me at that 619 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,640 meeting was the Howland Township Supervisor, last name Tla. I wanted to 620 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,079 ask him if he's related to Isaac. He probably is. 621 00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:11,920 » He's his uncle. >> He's his uncle. Okay. Uh but to sit 622 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,839 there and they So they're the next largest population 623 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:20,880 center in Ottaw County to us. I think they're around 35ish. So roughly, don't 624 00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:26,240 quote me, but about 20,000 behind us. >> Is it 18 point something mills or 21 625 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:30,800 point something mills for them? He mills their their rate. You don't remember? 626 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,800 » Okay. You don't want to get my numbers. I'll I'll throw my numbers out there. 627 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,280 Huh? >> You're it's close. 628 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:43,040 » It was I'll call it the lower of the two. It was like 18 point something 629 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:47,119 mills and we're at 2.25. Whoa. Um it was I mean I understand we're two different 630 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,920 municipalities but yeah just >> the other the other thing we don't 631 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:55,440 realize in the finance part of it is that because we get no taxes in the 632 00:47:52,960 --> 00:48:01,200 summer the money we collect in the winter has to last us all year and so 633 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:05,920 you have to have you have to have a certain amount of backup funds to pay 634 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:12,079 your bills. You know, like if I only paid you once a 635 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:16,880 year, you got to be able to you got to be able to gauge that money all year, 636 00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:20,000 » which most people can't, >> right? 637 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:25,359 » And and so you have to have an additional amount of funds to pay your 638 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,839 bills until you get paid again if if that's how you're running things. And 639 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:32,720 then you have to depend on the state to share revenue sharing. So there's a 640 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,839 there's a lot more behind the scenes when you're doing your budgets. And I 641 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:39,599 appreciate Justin and how he does budgets because I talked to him too. I 642 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,680 was like, you people don't realize you got to have either a line of credit or 643 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,680 you got to have the cash available either way. 644 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:51,813 » And around township district. So, >> Yep. 645 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,599 » It's a good point. [snorts] 646 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:59,839 » Okay. Anyone else? >> Um, I did go to another historical 647 00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:05,520 meeting last Thursday. Um, the sign at Rosewood Park was kind of misunderstood. 648 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:09,200 It was supposed to go in the 20th, but I think the email got confused a little 649 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:14,079 bit. So, now they're still in the fabrication process, we heard. So, we're 650 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,839 still hoping it'll come out here first part of September and they want to have 651 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:22,000 some kind of little unveiling or something. Um, I think he's going to 652 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:26,000 work with Justin Randy on a date on that that that if the board members want to 653 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,319 get involved. And then uh when the newsletter comes out for the historic 654 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,720 society and I think Georgetown this latest thing I talked about last week 655 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:41,599 with um trying to get community involvement with u first aid and 911 250 656 00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:44,880 that kind of thing that they're got a whole program and that's uh you almost 657 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:49,119 got to read it all because there's quite a few uh programs that they institute 658 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,680 out there that they'd like people get involved with. So, 659 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:55,599 » those should be coming up that you can be able to read and get involved in if 660 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,000 as you want want to and see you need to. So, 661 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:02,400 » you know, I love how you promote them and stay involved. Appreciate it. 662 00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:06,720 » Um, you reminded me that we've got and you guys remember a week from today, I 663 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,880 think 4 p.m. You can make it if you choose to make it out to Grand River 664 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,640 Park, there's a a grand reopening. I don't say Grandreek. 665 00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:16,400 » I'm sorry. Rush Creek. Did I say Grand River? Yeah, Rush Creek. 666 00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:19,440 » Rush Creek. >> What would you call that? a 667 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,880 » uh ribbon cutting for >> ribbon cutting for new improvements. 668 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,200 » We're going to have bubbles. It's going to be We're have popsicles. It's going 669 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,920 to be a great time. >> Pops or something. Yeah, 670 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:33,119 » I love it. >> Nice. Spread the word. Okay. Is there a 671 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:38,920 motion to adjurnn? Move. Support. >> All in favor say I. I. Opposed. We 672 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,920 adjourn.