[0:05] All right, good evening. It is 6:31. I'm
so used to saying 601, right?
[0:11] » 6:31 and we are at the September 8th
meeting of the town of Georgetown Select
[0:18] Board. Thank you all for joining us. And
uh this time I'm calling uh the meeting
[0:24] to order. And we have a couple of um
community members to
[0:31] um recognize in our moments of our
moment of silence. And uh those include
[0:36] Mary Swain, uh Jenny Jameson,
and uh George Shardier.
[0:42] » Dave.
>> Dave. Dave. I don't know why I keep
[0:45] saying George, but I know it's Dave. My
apologies to my apologies to his family.
[0:50] Um it's a lot of loss in a in a couple
weeks. Um and certainly to the working
[0:56] link. So uh for the loss of both of them
and and Mr. Shardier's family lives here
[1:01] and of course he owns a business.
>> Oh gosh. Dave Shardier died
[1:07] and
>> we're just going to mute folks. Um uh so
[1:12] if you could join me in um acknowledging
the loss to our community of all three
[1:18] of these folks, we would appreciate
that.
[1:32] Okay. And um in terms of celebrations,
um
[1:39] it's hard to come back to that mode of
thinking when you're thinking about the
[1:43] people we just lost. Um but is there
anything that you can think of that
[1:46] we're celebrating? Any new births? Um I
feel like there is something. What
[1:50] exactly? exciting new school year
started.
[1:52] » Okay. School kicked off. That's right.
Uh that is true. And uh we have an
[1:57] interim um principal, Mr. door um who
taught here many many years ago and is
[2:04] back um to fill in for a celebration we
just um offered to our um uh current
[2:12] principal Caitlyn Miller and her husband
who's a full-time firefighter I think in
[2:16] Woolitch and and a firefighter here now
in Georgetown as well. Um all right. So
[2:23] we um
if there's no other celebrations
[2:28] um I would like to recognize of course
um the volunteers. One of the
[2:31] celebrations I wanted to make was for
the volunteers. I saw some of them
[2:35] yesterday um at the transfer station who
show up every um every weekend um and uh
[2:43] devote their time particularly at the
mall, but also to helping people empty
[2:48] their cans and um you know take uh their
um recycling and their buckets out of
[2:55] the cars. We see that a lot and we just
want to acknowledge those those
[3:00] volunteers as well. And now we're moving
on to public comment. So,
[3:05] let's start in the room. Is there any
public comment for any items that are on
[3:10] the agenda? Yes, Lisa.
>> The agenda.
[3:13] » Um, typically that's how under Robert's
rules of order, that's typically how
[3:16] public comment is supposed to run, but
um that's fine since we didn't announce
[3:20] that we'd be doing that. We'll take any
public comment.
[3:23] » I just wanted to uh express a concern.
There have been three times probably
[3:27] three times in the last month when I've
been at the transfer station where
[3:30] people were parked
in not in the appropriate spots and
[3:35] private citizens have taken it upon
themselves to speak to these people.
[3:40] Sometimes not always in a happy way.
>> Um and also at times when there were
[3:46] kids running around and people were
parked in ways that made others have to
[3:50] drive in a dangerous pattern or
potentially dangerous pattern. I know
[3:54] that you're in the process of doing
performance reviews and I'm assuming job
[3:59] description kinds of things and there's
a long been discussion about whose role
[4:02] is it to tell people to park correctly.
I don't think it's the role of the
[4:06] private citizens. I do think it's the
role of the employees. I know there's a
[4:11] concern about enforcement, but I think
there are ways to enforce and I'm
[4:14] concerned and and now we're entering the
slow season, but I'd like to see that be
[4:20] part of the job description, the
performance ratings. Um, it's just not
[4:28] people need to be told. Sure. And and I
don't I don't think they'd have to be
[4:31] aggressive. Just there are people that
don't know where to park or don't notice
[4:34] the line. So simply going up to them and
saying, you know, burn properly, please.
[4:40] I I think it's it's way too lax in how
things are handled.
[4:44] » Okay. Thank you, Lisa.
>> Uh any other public comment for folks
[4:48] who are in the um town office with with
us? We probably have seven or so in the
[4:52] building with us tonight. And I'm not
seeing any hands. What about out um Oh,
[4:59] okay. So, we've got at least one or two.
And uh looks like Jen Debransky's on
[5:04] camera. Go ahead, Jen.
>> Yeah, I just uh related to the um the
[5:09] working waterfront proclamation. I just
wanted to speak briefly and support
[5:14] um and share that um I grew up in a
working waterfront community and I've
[5:19] had the privilege as a young person to
work in one and I um so I know that the
[5:25] working waterfront is much more than
just an industry. It's part of a
[5:28] community's identity, its culture and
economy and certainly way of life. Um,
[5:34] the proclamation, as I read it, does not
take anything away from anyone. It does
[5:40] not create new regulations or
restrictions. It simply says clearly and
[5:44] proudly that the Georgetown recognizes
the value of its working waterfront and
[5:49] the people and businesses who depend
upon it. These places are increasingly
[5:53] difficult to preserve once they are
lost. There's no downside
[5:59] to saying that this matters to us and
that we want to remain part of we want
[6:03] it to remain part of Georgetown's
future. Um I believe it's both
[6:08] reasonable and an important statement
for our town to make and I strongly
[6:11] support it. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Jen.
[6:16] Anybody else
on Zoom? Okay.
[6:22] All right. So, we have a few items to be
added to the agenda. Um and so uh Tyler
[6:28] want to take us through those three
please.
[6:29] » So the two items that we'd add are a
discussion and possible approval for a
[6:33] liquor license of on premise beer, wine
and spirits for Robin Hood Ventures
[6:37] Limited, which is Robin Hood Free
Meeting House. Um this came in on
[6:40] Thursday. Had it been a license that had
been held by the entity less than 5
[6:45] years, it wouldn't be on this agenda
because there'd have to be public notice
[6:48] in the papers. but we have in recent
years um for companies that we don't
[6:53] have to pass that cost on to have not
been doing so. So that'll be something
[6:57] to add tonight. As well as a thank you
from the city of Bath to the fire
[7:00] department and the town for loaning them
an ambulance which was an awesome
[7:04] example of mutual aid at work. And I
would note to everyone in the room in
[7:08] the audience, Zoom has had an update. So
people are appearing different sizes. So
[7:12] I'm going to pin the select board and
hopefully that helps. But I just want us
[7:17] to be able to be seen on the recording
later. So, I'll figure out what happened
[7:21] on that update later.
Um, and I would say that if we wanted to
[7:26] jump in, I see Carlos is on. We could
jump right into the liquor license.
[7:32] Given the fact that that was a newly
added item, I'd just say that we open an
[7:36] internal public hearing for those here.
Um, and then afterwards take action on
[7:41] possible approval.
>> Okay.
[7:45] Um, so we don't have to have a public
hearing just to just for us to discuss
[7:48] it. Is that correct? Correct. Because if
it's it's a renewal,
[7:51] » right? So, are there um uh any questions
that uh either of you has for Carlos um
[7:58] or Ally if they're both here? We know
Carlos is there.
[8:00] » What venue is it for?
>> Um the meeting house it looks like.
[8:03] » Thank you.
>> They're actually separate legal
[8:05] entities. So, we will be getting Grey
Havens at the next select board meeting,
[8:10] but that one's date wasn't as
time-sensitive as this one.
[8:16] » Okay. And I don't have any
>> Yeah, I don't see anything wrong.
[8:19] » It's been a continued renewal. So,
>> um Carlos, is there anything that you
[8:23] wanted to um apprise us of before we
take a vote?
[8:28] » Other than apologizing for getting it in
late. Sorry about that. You would think
[8:32] after 10 years I would figure it out.
So,
[8:35] » well,
>> okay.
[8:36] » We were just talking about how summer
has raced by us and everybody's still
[8:40] had
>> skidding from task to task.
[8:43] » So, no problem. Thank you. All right.
With that, I'll entertain a motion
[8:46] regarding the um renewal of the um free
Robin Hood liquor license.
[8:52] » I move that we renew the uh Robin Hood
Ventures LTD liquor license for the
[8:57] meeting house.
>> I'll second. Okay, you can second it.
[8:59] All those in favor?
>> And that is unanimous. Thank you.
[9:03] » Okay. Thank you, Carlos. You're all set.
>> Thank you.
[9:07] » And we do have a scheduled appointment
at 6:45, but I do see that Clara is here
[9:12] early and that's always a good thing in
meeting.
[9:14] » So, uh, Clara, do you want to come on up
and or do you It's up to you. You can
[9:18] come up or you can stay there. However
you'd like to come up tonight. I I don't
[9:23] know. I didn't wasn't sure if you wanted
me to say something first or if you just
[9:27] have already looked at everything and
you have questions. Um, so whatever is
[9:31] most helpful for you. I I've looked at
it and I again want to thank you for
[9:35] putting to together the work and the
yeah the proposal. That's great. Um to
[9:39] see um help especially on grant writing
um and keeping track of because MCF as
[9:47] you know gives a a fair amount of um
funding each year. So
[9:52] » yes. Yeah. So I I don't know if it would
be helpful to just kind of recap my
[9:57] experience so far.
>> Yeah. Just hit the highlights. Um you do
[10:00] have your memo and thank you for that.
>> Yeah. Um so the vendor came on the 4th
[10:07] of August and spent the day at um the
school. Um most of his findings. So he
[10:16] kind of had two pockets
of in the first pocket he wanted to look
[10:22] at what was already in place.
How was it running? What could he do to
[10:28] get it running better? And then in the
second pocket it was what what uh
[10:34] recommendations did he want to make to
for improvement
[10:39] and um shar said a lot of things when I
met with him and chatted with him said a
[10:44] lot of things that I didn't understand
that I had to then go and research a lot
[10:48] of but um a lot of what I understand is
that
[10:54] there were a lot of great things
purchased but they weren't necessarily
[10:58] the best things for our intention.
in the space
[11:02] um or they were not installed
to fidelity to what we would like. Um
[11:10] and so he did work to get the system
working to full capacity as he could.
[11:17] Uh, and then he's shared with us what he
would recommend for improvements,
[11:22] including how to repurpose what we
currently have in a way that would
[11:26] benefit the music teacher and the
students at the school.
[11:30] » Okay.
>> So, um, yeah, he and he's he's happy to
[11:34] answer any questions that we have, which
I said I would
[11:39] » take back to him.
>> All right. Go ahead, Dan. At a high
[11:43] level, can you just give us a little bit
of a difference between the option one
[11:47] and option two? Yes.
>> The cost was about $1,000, give or take.
[11:51] » So, I asked him with the number being
high, I asked for options. His response
[11:57] was really that the only wiggle room is
with what we do with the current setup.
[12:03] So, in option one, I believe that's
where we get to we would get to take
[12:10] what we have and repurpose it into the
music room and benefit that space. Um,
[12:17] with option two, we forfeit that. And so
then we're just looking at what what do
[12:23] we need in the actual gymnasium space?
Um,
[12:28] which in my opinion, it's kind of a
small difference. um and it would help
[12:34] the kiddos. So, one thing he shared with
me, um he kind of acted it out actually.
[12:41] uh you know when you're on the stage
if you're a kiddo and you're listening
[12:49] to a speaker or you're um trying to sing
along with the music right now it's it's
[12:57] very difficult for a typical hearing
student to follow what's being done
[13:03] because all of the sound is being
projected straight back. So repurposing
[13:08] those community that's the brand the
community speakers that are there
[13:13] currently repurposing them inside of the
music room would help with that.
[13:18] » Claire, can I ask you something? So, you
know, so for town meeting or a special
[13:22] town meeting or
>> um even like candidates night, you know,
[13:27] when we are close to the front,
>> um if we ever put the moderator like up
[13:33] on the stage, I would assume we benefit
from the same thing that he was
[13:36] describing to you about anyone the kids
on the stage.
[13:40] » Yeah. My understand Yes. to answer that.
Yes. And then my understanding is that
[13:44] the town would really have a lot of
benefits from this because not only we
[13:49] would we get better speaking abilities
like more microphones um
[13:54] » that's that's dire.
>> We would get the we would get the new
[14:00] um speakers that are meant for our space
and kind of tilted at the angle that we
[14:05] need for our space. And then in addition
to that, um, he shared some safety
[14:12] concerns about the current speaker
systems that are in there and how, and
[14:18] he probably did this to help me
understand, but he basically said that
[14:21] the that what we have right now would
work really well if we were all at a
[14:26] restaurant and we just wanted background
noise. Um, but for articulation and
[14:33] really understanding speakers, it's just
not the proper setup.
[14:38] And then of course the safety concerns
with Yeah. And just to put it on the
[14:42] record, the safety concerns are really
like once you have everything running
[14:46] the way it's supposed to, there is a
level of vibration that happens with all
[14:53] of the sound. And the current hanging
speaker systems are not actually secure
[15:00] in the ceiling. They're hanging, which
he said is very typical that they find
[15:04] that a lot with public space
installations, but they're basically
[15:08] just hanging by the AV wires and there's
no like secure wire holding them in
[15:14] place.
>> They were originally mounted, but
[15:16] they've wiggled themselves to the point,
>> no, they never were mounted. They just
[15:21] use the wire.
>> That seems to be a common installation.
[15:26] » Yes.
>> So, his interpretation because like we
[15:29] weren't there. I don't think any of us
were there when the decisions were made
[15:32] for the previous system. His
interpretation was
[15:36] » um so he recognized the company and he
said that this is a company who has uh
[15:42] expertise
in like like the the video setup that we
[15:48] got that be the beautiful projector
but their expertise is not really AV
[15:54] systems like this. Um, and so he said
the bid was probably lower, but their
[16:00] expertise in understanding how to do
spaces like this and the safety pieces
[16:06] might not have been it might have been a
little lacking.
[16:08] » Okay.
>> Do you know when that was?
[16:11] » I don't. Um,
>> we found an invoice and I don't know the
[16:16] date of it offand, but I might be able
to find that for you.
[16:21] » It was before my time, before Caitlyn's
time, and before Nah's time. So
[16:25] » yeah.
>> So maybe Chris Barab or
[16:28] » there's a there's a poster in the hall
that thanks everybody who's helped fund
[16:32] the addition and I think it's dated
1988. Put that in.
[16:36] » No, I think that it was done more
recently. I think the new system was
[16:40] done more recently than that. Um he said
that the community speakers are great
[16:44] speakers. Like it's quality
it's quality um hardware, right? It's
[16:51] just not
the in for the intention that we want
[16:55] and it wasn't really installed properly.
>> So, but if we go with option one, yeah,
[17:00] » then we can repurpose what we have.
That's the hardware is still good. It's
[17:04] just not appropriate for the space
really.
[17:07] » Right. Um, so we could repurpose that
rather than just chuck that and then do
[17:12] the necessary enhancements,
implement a secure system um with
[17:19] assuming we get the grant. And thank you
for explaining obviously that the
[17:23] matching funds wouldn't be uh required
unless and until unless we got the
[17:28] grant,
>> right? So, um, with the grant, we would
[17:32] have to have a letter from the school
and a letter from the town in support
[17:37] and kind of agreeing to like this is
what we plan to do.
[17:41] » Um, and then if we were to be granted
the full grant, then
[17:47] » things would proceed. If we were to get
a partial or not get the grant, then we
[17:51] would have to decide as a town what we
would want to do.
[17:54] » Okay. And I'm saying the timeline for
the grant is through February 17th.
[18:00] » Yeah. So it opens um in November,
beginning of November.
[18:05] » So my goal would be probably to try to
get as much done and into them as soon
[18:10] as possible.
>> Great.
[18:12] » Yeah.
>> But they uh they're looking strictly for
[18:14] matching funds or are they also looking
for certain matching services, federal
[18:19] volunteer time, stuff like that?
My understanding is that we don't have
[18:24] to have any funding, but to like if we
let's say let's say this was only a
[18:30] $10,000 quote and we just wanted all
10,000 to come from the grant, that is
[18:36] still fine. Um what I understand is that
the town cooperating and being willing
[18:43] to put in and the school town or the
school doing the same increases our
[18:47] chance of getting granted the funds and
it the school board uh meeting is the
[18:54] 16th I think. So
>> they may have I don't know if they've
[18:57] discussed this. I don't recall it in the
times I've
[19:01] » but maybe you do. But obviously
Caitlyn's aware of it so Elaine is
[19:04] likely aware of it. Yeah, you guys were
my first stop, so I haven't, you know, I
[19:09] figured if you guys vetoed it, then the
school would veto it. So, um,
[19:14] » no, but
>> I don't veto it at all.
[19:17] » No.
>> The other thing that I really, uh, loved
[19:20] hearing was, you know, he said he said
they would be willing to show someone
[19:25] like Mr. by everything that he would
need to know about the system,
[19:30] » but that the way that they install um
their desire is to have it be like once
[19:36] it's in place, we never have to touch
it, right?
[19:39] » And
>> famous last words, though, Claire,
[19:41] » I know,
>> hanging by a cord.
[19:43] » And that um if something were to not be
working the way that we would want it,
[19:47] that he would be willing to just come
down and and take a look. So,
[19:50] » I'd want Tyler trained on that too as
well because we just we each year we use
[19:54] it more and more on the municipal side
of things, the gym.
[19:59] » And speaking candidly, I love the idea
of having more microphones and acoustics
[20:04] that work and
>> we do a lot of events in there and it's
[20:07] held together by bobby pins at times
>> and it's frustrating for the people that
[20:10] are there.
>> Yeah. I mean, a lot I can't hear
[20:13] sometimes when you all had your
candidates night. I couldn't hear
[20:15] sometimes what you and Jeff were saying,
>> right?
[20:18] » And you know, so and that that's hard. I
just remember that and I'm sure others.
[20:23] » I would note that um last year during
the budget process, the select board
[20:27] budgeted $20,000
for contingency. There's another fund
[20:32] for unexpected expenses up to 25,000
that could come out of fund balance. I
[20:37] share those numbers because we're early
in the fiscal year about a sixth of the
[20:40] way through the year. Um, but there is
money in contingency now. It would be if
[20:45] we went with option one just shy of 25%
of the contingency. But again, there are
[20:51] a lot of conditional ifs if the grant
were not to come an ongoing
[20:54] conversation.
>> So, I just want us to know that. But I
[20:58] think there's money there now that we
could use. Um but just be mindful that
[21:04] by March, April, May things get tighter.
>> Yeah.
[21:07] » And we also it it's clear that prices
can change.
[21:11] » They're not guaranteeing
um Yeah, they don't.
[21:15] » On the invoice it has a little asterk.
>> Yeah. What I can't remember what's the
[21:19] date for that the quote two months out
>> you know I actually I'd have to ask him
[21:25] but yeah I think that with it being that
the grant might not be even approved
[21:31] until June that it was hard for him to
say for sure
[21:35] » okay
>> prices would all be the same but um when
[21:38] he looked at the previous invoice
>> where we paid for hardware before he
[21:43] said that comparatively the hardware
seems to be pretty similar are right now
[21:48] with what we've what we paid in the
past. So,
[21:51] » um I wouldn't expect huge differences.
And um
[21:56] he
did offer he has lots of schools that
[22:00] he's worked with and um St. George
Elementary just got this pretty much
[22:06] this exact setup that he's recommending
for us. They just got installed this
[22:10] year. I called them and they have not
they had not dabbled in the new system
[22:14] yet because it was a new school year.
But um it is something where I plan to
[22:19] just call and get their input and see
how they're liking it at some point here
[22:23] and if you guys were interested he said
he knew they'd be open to showing you
[22:28] know touring if anybody
>> wanted to see it. So, is tonight more
[22:32] you need a tasset thumbs up that we're
in or do you need a because then we
[22:37] could work to come up with a letter
later on to meet those deadlines or
[22:41] » That's what I would love because it
means that I can start putting in the um
[22:47] work on the actual application and then
we can
[22:52] » get down to the nitty-gritty of like
logistic letter support of support
[22:56] whatever. And then also if you guys are
giving me a thumbs up, um, I'll probably
[23:02] reach out to the school board and just
say this is on the table.
[23:07] » Great.
>> All right. I give it a thumbs up.
[23:10] » We need a motion. I'd be ready to make a
motion that we
[23:14] » Go ahead. Make your motion. That sense.
I move that we support that we will we
[23:19] support you in your um in the process of
applying for the grant and that we will
[23:24] support the grant financially option one
or option two. Um what do you do we need
[23:30] to make that decision?
>> Um we probably do we probably should
[23:32] make that decision. So are we thinking
option one or option two?
[23:36] » I think for the thousand dollar one
>> I think so too. I mean, it's more it's
[23:40] more bang for our buck, for sure. And it
also repurposes hardware that shouldn't
[23:45] just be left to die. Yeah.
>> Well, so I I support Clarins in in
[23:51] pursuing this grant uh and with the
support of the select board and in uh
[23:58] going after option one.
>> Okay. And do we want just given that
[24:03] there's that asterisk to half a dollar
amount and if it goes beyond that we
[24:07] come back like say up to $5,000.
>> Yeah, I think that's that's fair because
[24:11] I think the match would be about 3,800.
Is that right? Okay. So up to $5,000,
[24:16] » you know. Um
>> No, it's 48.
[24:18] » Yeah. So we're going to pursue option
one,
[24:20] » which is really tight. 5,000 is really
tight with
[24:23] » 48.
That's right. Okay.
[24:26] » Maybe we 5,200.
>> Yeah. Give it a little more
[24:31] » cushion. Hard to know what that was
going to be like in June.
[24:34] » Yeah, those tariffs availability
>> and come back and we can government
[24:39] action. Sure.
>> So, was the 5200 a part of that motion?
[24:44] » I don't know. Do you want it to be part
of that motion?
[24:47] » I don't know. Is that granular or should
>> I think it might be good just so the
[24:52] school committee knows we've got skin in
the game.
[24:54] » Yeah. and might keep our contractor on
the hook with some of these numbers if
[24:58] he knows the money's coming.
>> Yeah, could include it.
[25:03] » Okay. So, as amended um as seconded with
the friendly amendment of up to 5200.
[25:09] All right.
>> From contingency.
[25:11] » From contingency.
[25:14] I mean, the whole community benefits
from this as we continue to use that
[25:18] space.
>> It's a great step in the right
[25:21] direction.
>> Yeah. The concerts,
[25:23] » how could the concerts get even better?
Well, but also even by by being able to
[25:28] hear everybody,
>> but even the committee meeting that
[25:30] we're going to have
>> Yeah. Even the committee meeting that
[25:33] we're going to have with the chairs and,
you know, two to three people of each
[25:36] committee,
>> we can't have that here.
[25:39] » Yeah.
>> We're going to have to spill over into
[25:40] the rest of the building.
>> Um, so
[25:44] » Okay. That's that's kind of the things
that I'm thinking of as as we use it.
[25:48] » Yeah.
>> All right. So, all those in favor
[25:51] » and that is unanimous.
>> Okay.
[25:54] Thank you.
>> Please keep us posted.
[25:57] » All right.
[26:00] » All right.
And coming to our next agenda item.
[26:07] » Do we want to jump down to minutes and
see if we can I know we're only three
[26:12] minutes out, but some folks may still be
shooting for that seven.
[26:15] » No, that's great.
Just trying to find an agenda. All
[26:19] right, here we go.
All right. So, first let's take up the
[26:23] July 28 minutes. June.
>> June 28 minutes.
[26:26] » No, that's actually July. That was the
Oh my god. Twice.
[26:30] » That is twice. Second time.
>> I
[26:33] » He's just holding on to summer. I get
it.
[26:36] » July.
>> No, I'm I'm good. June, right?
[26:39] » No, I'm good with All right. So, um,
with regard to the July 28 minutes, um,
[26:45] and the revisions that we circulated to
fix any Yeah. little little um typos and
[26:52] those kinds of things. I'll entertain a
motion regarding those minutes, please.
[26:55] » I move that we accept the minutes of
July 28th.
[27:00] » Yes.
>> Second.
[27:02] » All right. All those in favor?
>> All right.
[27:04] » That's unanimous.
>> Perfect. And then the same with the
[27:07] August 18. Did everybody get a chance to
go through those?
[27:09] » And that was actually August.
>> Yes.
[27:13] » Um All right. And uh then um is there a
motion to approve the August 18 minutes?
[27:19] I'll move that we approve the August 18
minutes as amended. Did we amend them?
[27:23] » We didn't amend them. They're not a we
revise.
[27:26] » Revised,
>> but a amend amendment.
[27:28] » We did something tonight, it would be
>> correct. And we had to do it next time,
[27:31] we'd have to amend what we did. So,
>> or if we waited until tonight to point
[27:35] out that Tyler misspelled the chief's
name, then we do an amendment here. So,
[27:41] » um I think then I also missed that
because I know two Waylands and they're
[27:44] spelled that way and my mind was just
typing. So, I missed it too. Sorry,
[27:48] Brian. Uh, and anyway,
>> never saw it.
[27:51] » No, I know, but we're just we're just
outed ourselves about it.
[27:55] » Um, anyway. All right. And I'll second
uh Kathy's motion to approve those
[28:00] minutes. Uh, all those in favor?
>> And that is unanimous.
[28:03] » All right. Great. Um, and so now we uh
now we're just about at our 7 o'clock,
[28:09] aren't we?
>> And there are no continuing items or
[28:12] items for review tonight. So, we are at
our 7 o'clock.
[28:15] » Okay, great. 659. We're ahead of
schedule a little bit. So, we um have
[28:20] our working waterfront proclamation and
uh as y'all know, we wanted to give that
[28:25] some more time to be publicly posted
um uh since the last meeting and on the
[28:32] 18th and so that's occurred. Did you get
any and and it also allowed for folks to
[28:37] um submit any um information to you any
response to that proclamation?
[28:41] » We did not. Okay. Okay.
>> So, and it has been on the website now
[28:44] since August 18th or 19th. So,
>> yeah,
[28:47] » it is up there
>> like even the 17th. If our meeting was
[28:50] the 18th, it was like the 17th or the
16th.
[28:52] » Yeah. So, um but we have the working
waterfront proclamation. I don't know if
[28:57] it benefit to read it for the record or
it'll be posted in a multitude of places
[29:02] after this.
>> Um I I think it I think it should be
[29:06] read. Would you like to read it or would
you like
[29:07] » I can or do you want to read it, Madam
Chair? Well, let's see if I have my
[29:10] glasses, Tyler, to read.
>> Are we going to at some while you're
[29:14] doing that, are we at some point going
to talk about how it's going to be um
[29:19] where it's going to be posted and how
and stuff like that, or are we going to
[29:22] wait? Not tonight.
>> Let's let's get through this and then
[29:27] yes, I think maybe we will get to that.
All right. So, here's the proclamation.
[29:31] Um whereas Georgetown's identity,
history, economy, and culture are deeply
[29:35] connected to the waters, shores, coes,
islands, harbors, mud flats, warfs,
[29:41] boatyards, marinas, and marine
businesses that have sustained
[29:45] generations of residents, families, and
enterprises. And whereas Georgetown has
[29:50] long been home to a vibrant and diverse
working waterfront that includes, among
[29:54] other activities and enterprises,
lobstering, clamming, aquaculture,
[29:58] worming, commercial harvesting,
boatyards, marinas, marine services, and
[30:03] supporting businesses. And whereas the
select board recognizes that working
[30:08] waterfront activities are essential to
Georgetown's local economy, maritime
[30:12] heritage, food systems, public access,
and sense of place. And whereas
[30:18] Georgetown seeks to protect, support,
promote, and advocate for a commercial
[30:22] marine base that remains successful,
resilient, diverse, and in harmony with
[30:27] the broader community. And whereas the
select board recognizes that residents,
[30:31] businesses, visitors, real estate
professionals, and prospective property
[30:36] owners benefit from clear public notices
that Georgetown is and intends to remain
[30:41] a working waterfront community. And
whereas the select board further
[30:45] recognizes the importance of maintaining
natural resources, waterways,
[30:49] infrastructure, and access that allow
current and future commercial marine
[30:53] enterprises, residents, and visitors to
engage with and benefit from
[30:57] Georgetown's working waterfront. And
whereas this proclamation is intended as
[31:01] a public affirmation of community values
and priorities, and does not create
[31:06] fines, penalties, enforcement
provisions, or restrictions beyond those
[31:10] otherwise provided by applicable law.
Now therefore, the Georgetown Select
[31:14] Board proclaims that the town of
Georgetown is hereby declared a working
[31:18] waterfront community. Be it further
proclaimed that Georgetown proudly and
[31:22] publicly affirms its intention to remain
a welcoming water working waterfront
[31:27] community that supports the people,
families, businesses, and marine
[31:31] enterprises that depend upon and
contribute to the town's waterfront.
[31:36] Be it further proclaimed that the select
board encourages public understanding of
[31:39] the vital role of the working waterfront
and the conditions needed for it to
[31:43] thrive, including continued commitment
to access, infrastructure, natural
[31:47] resources, and balanced community
development. Be it further proclaimed
[31:51] that the town will endeavor to
communicate this designation through
[31:54] appropriate public means, including the
town website, outreach to Georgetown
[31:59] residents and businesses, the main
association of realtors, and signage or
[32:03] other notices as determined by the
select board. And then in witness
[32:07] whereof, the Georgetown Select Board
adopts this proclamation on the date
[32:10] written above. So that's what is at
issue. You've received no comments or
[32:16] response to that. Um, we have we do have
members of the working waterfront, two
[32:21] members of the working waterfront work
group. Um, why don't you all come on up?
[32:24] Pat Burns and John Jones. They've put a
lot of work into this. Please, if you'd
[32:29] like.
[32:37] » Thank you for coming tonight. We
appreciate and we know you were both
[32:41] here for the public hearing uh in the
spring. Um, so, uh, what would you like
[32:47] to say, um, about this proclamation or
this proposed proclamation? We'll start
[32:51] with you, Pat, and then John.
>> I didn't anticipate having to say
[32:56] anything.
>> You don't have to say anything
[32:58] » because I think you did a great job. I
mean, the proclamation pretty much says
[33:01] it all. I will just say anecdotally that
I've uh, presented this or discussed it,
[33:08] I would say, with the Brunswick clan, I
should say. Yeah.
[33:15] kefish committee and got a real wide
response. You know, they're going to
[33:19] actually look at doing it themselves.
Everybody I've talked to in the aqua
[33:24] farming area as well as people in the
main aquaculture association are very
[33:30] supportive and uh pushing us forward.
>> Great. Okay. Great. Okay, John. And I
[33:36] know and John, we did get your letter
and thank you very much. We didn't have
[33:39] a chance to uh acknowledge that, but we
are acknowledging it. Thank you for your
[33:43] thoughtful letter to us about this
proclamation.
[33:46] » Okay. My thoughts on it is um as you
indicated, I provide it to the select
[33:51] board. My thoughts on it. First of all,
I'm encouraging each of you to support
[33:58] it and vote positively for the
proclamation.
[34:03] assuming that happens in my
correspondence to each of you I had put
[34:08] going forward and um those were my
thoughts I didn't share that with any of
[34:15] the other uh committee members uh we
haven't met since the hearing
[34:20] » um but
the first part is if if you approve the
[34:26] proclamation
and you want to go forward with it as a
[34:31] um ordinance
I indicated that I'm willing to stay on
[34:36] it and continue on with it.
>> Thank you. And um then I I outlined some
[34:44] items that I thought were relevant that
I think if we were to go forward trying
[34:50] to seek this as a ordinance, those items
I think should be hopefully you guys
[34:57] have read it and consider it uh or would
consider it. Um on that um the only
[35:04] thing I Well, let me let me just say
this. You're seeing the same two people
[35:10] In my notice to you, you you'll notice
that I had put that I thought that the
[35:15] committee should be expanded to at least
two more individuals.
[35:20] » And you may remember, John, that it was
originally there were three three
[35:23] additional people. I think what happened
is as the group coalesed in the early
[35:28] stages, it was the same four or five of
us. And so um but that's not
[35:34] » I think it makes perfect sense. There's
a lot of stakeholders. There's a lot of
[35:38] initiatives we have in town that should
be broadened to include upstate.
[35:42] » So you're that was my thought that
>> you're seeing the same two people and
[35:46] this is not not for the other two. Um
the other other two individuals
[35:52] say they have scheduling issues and
other commitments that perhaps Pat and I
[35:57] don't have luckily. Um, but here here we
are. And and I think that it would be
[36:04] better for the town to have more
representation than just Pat and I. um
[36:11] uh as I put in there in my
correspondence, I think we could get a
[36:16] little broader uh based communitywide
um
[36:21] a little more of the residents and and
and part of my thought in preparing this
[36:27] was from the draft uh ordinance hearing.
Um, and obviously you guys were there.
[36:35] Um, and I don't think that the town folk
were really against the idea of the um,
[36:43] working waterfront community
designation. What they were more opposed
[36:48] to was it being an ordinance and it
should have been proclamation which
[36:52] we're now going through hopefully. Um,
so without belaboring us a whole lot, I
[37:00] think if we if if the town decides they
want to go forward with it, I I think
[37:06] that we need to have better
more people on the committee, better
[37:13] outreach by whoever's on that committee,
reaching out to different people, uh,
[37:18] the lobster and the claimers themselves.
I don't think we did a good job with
[37:22] that. and not a knock for the group, but
I I just don't think we did a good job.
[37:26] Um
the the issue that I put in here that we
[37:30] relied pretty much on one real estate
agent um that the group sort of said,
[37:39] well, that person says it's a wonderful
thing and we're going forward. All the
[37:43] all the real estate people were for it.
And apparently they weren't because
[37:47] obviously at the hearing the one person
that did speak up pretty much wound up
[37:51] muting everything that the committee was
trying to say uh denouncing it and
[37:56] saying it it wasn't. Um
I myself had spoken to staff at the um
[38:05] main um real estate association
and um
[38:10] their position was
you guys George you can do whatever you
[38:15] want but this is not a state mandate and
real estate agents are only required to
[38:24] put forward to their buyer sellers what
the state says you must tell and since
[38:30] this isn't one of those items basically
their position was do what you want
[38:36] Georgetown but you're not going to
mandate this on us you can urge us to it
[38:40] and work with us from that vein but it's
not something that could be mandated
[38:45] » and it and it's just worth noting that
going the route of the proclamation and
[38:49] having this designation right
>> if you checked out Down East magazine's
[38:53] Facebook page over the weekend there was
a great article
[38:56] » um by one of our Georgetown residents
about how Georgetown and Fippsburg were
[39:00] quote more Maine than Maine largely
because of the working waterfront
[39:04] community.
>> Right.
[39:05] » Um so this might actually help folks
drive up some sales. So that's a right
[39:10] incentive, but I digress.
>> And and you know, I think part of the
[39:13] outreach that you're talking about is,
you know, some signage and and committee
[39:18] um people talking about it. I think one
of the things that we heard a lot was um
[39:23] enforcing
existing access. And so, as we've said,
[39:28] it doesn't, you know, a one homeowner
Kathy can Kathy can allow access on her
[39:33] property. Later on, if she sells and
buys a different house in Georgetown,
[39:37] that next uh buyer does not have to
allow access. The intention is to
[39:41] continue the access. That would be the
goal in this um because there is uh as
[39:47] people have noted um both in public
comment
[39:51] » whenever these meetings because we've
had a couple offormational meetings as
[39:54] well before the ordinance
>> um uh access is important because the
[40:00] there isn't a lot but that is entirely a
residential decision
[40:04] » right and that that's also that that
point I did put in in my correspondence
[40:09] for you that again I believe that the
committee could have done a better job
[40:13] of distinguishing between
where the town has formal town landing,
[40:19] » right?
>> It's known. No, nobody's going to
[40:21] complain about people going.
>> But if I were to allow someone to access
[40:28] my property to get to a waterway to do
their or whatever it would be,
[40:33] » that's fine. But if I sell my property,
>> right,
[40:36] » that goes away. And I don't believe that
the committee did a good job of
[40:41] distinguishing that difference.
>> Well, it only came up at the ordinance
[40:45] hearing that was not talked about at
theformational meeting at the historical
[40:49] society because I think y'all would have
addressed it. Marissa was there and
[40:52] she's talked about it since then about
the tidelines and all of that.
[40:57] » I'm not disagreeing with you. All I'm
saying is I think we could have done a
[41:00] better job of explaining that and making
it very clear to people. And and the
[41:05] last point I'll make um is my my last
point that was in by correspondent that
[41:13] I believe that if the town wants to go
forward this as an ordinance,
[41:19] it's incumbent on the select board and
your town attorney to tell us what's the
[41:26] difference between a not the difference
what would be the benefit of an
[41:32] ordinance versus a proclamation the
effect right so that if we're going to
[41:36] go forward with it and again I don't
think that either the town nor the
[41:43] committee itself made a very good case
for we we just said hey it's going to be
[41:49] an ordinance and we all were very
supportive of right from the get-go but
[41:53] it at the the meeting you saw what
happened it sort of broke down at the at
[41:58] the hearing
>> and we figured it was better to go with
[42:01] a proclamation get something than
nothing. So my point being is that if if
[42:07] ultimately the town wants to go forward
as an ordinance, I really think it would
[42:11] be very beneficial
if you want the committee to continue on
[42:16] as an ordinance and the town tell us,
okay, what's going to be that
[42:20] difference? Why should we do it as an
ordinance and not? Because that was one
[42:25] of the issues that came up and I think
all of you guys struggled with it. We
[42:30] certainly struggled with it. I will say
that um before Tyler and I can tell Pat
[42:34] wants to speak too. I can I think I can
see it in his eyes. But I will say that
[42:38] um tonight is the proclamation. That's
that's at issue. But secondly, um as
[42:43] you've heard us say before, we won't
take undertake any major initiative in
[42:47] in town uh withoutformational
meetings. We just can't because right
[42:53] because even when we did this, we still
got surprised at the hearing about. So
[42:58] it just really it needs some leadup. not
one one uh meeting but two three
[43:03] meetings for any major initiative
whether that's this or STRs or right
[43:08] » uh anything that would have a major
effect on our um governance
[43:12] » but what were you going to say I was
really going to get back to the fact
[43:15] that tonight we get to really celebrate
this awesome piece and I'd note that
[43:20] when this was started a long time ago
many moons ago now um it was a workg
[43:24] group that was set up with a task that
this is kind of the deliverable at the
[43:28] end
>> so I think if the town were to move
[43:31] forward, we'd want to reconstitute a new
committee with a new charge and I just
[43:35] say not to get into the weeds on
ordinance or not.
[43:38] » The biggest question is what behavior
are we trying to regulate in an
[43:42] ordinance? What are the teeth?
>> Outside of that proclamation is exactly
[43:47] where we're at now. And I know that at
the outset we actually were hoping
[43:51] Harpswell was in the process of adopting
it working waterfront ordinance and they
[43:56] hit some roadblocks and ultimately it
became a footnote in their comp plan
[44:00] that they'd be revisiting.
>> So for what that's worth but this is a
[44:05] really exciting evening. So,
>> okay. So,
[44:09] » I think one of the ancillaries that I
think you might be getting at is um
[44:16] what we hope is that this spawns
something like for example
[44:20] there are a lot of historic
uh leans they're not leans exactly but
[44:25] passages across land.
What I would like to see is you can't
[44:30] regulate it. it uh it can't be
legislated.
[44:35] But what we can do is use anformational
technique. And that is anybody who is
[44:41] going to sell their property who has a a
passage and has been historically been
[44:46] there. that be we would hope we would
hope that they would mention that in the
[44:53] closing that I have allowed clamming
whatever it happens to be worming knows
[44:59] what it's going to be to uh wormers to
pass over my land and I would very much
[45:04] appreciate that you would maintain that
would set up the handshake the next
[45:08] handshake agreement with the new owner
and the clamor the wormer whoever that
[45:14] may be but not lose historic passage
that we have had for decades
[45:21] » in some cases centuries
>> and I know one in particular.
[45:26] » Okay. Thank you, Pat.
>> All right. Do you all have any
[45:30] questions?
>> I think it's I think it's eloquently
[45:34] stated and um really is something to
celebrate.
[45:38] » Yes.
>> No question. Very proud of that. Thank
[45:40] you for all your work.
>> Yes, absolutely. All right. With that,
[45:43] I'll entertain a motion.
Did you have something else, Jan?
[45:47] » No, I was moving in my direction, huh?
Okay.
[45:50] » I move that we adopt the um proclamation
of the Georgetown Select Board declaring
[45:55] Georgetown a working water community.
>> I will second. I will third it. Okay.
[46:00] All those in favor. It's unanimous.
>> Unanimous.
[46:04] » Okay.
>> And so we're going to now declare a
[46:06] brief five minute or less recess. Sign
the proclamation while we have folks
[46:10] here because we have executive sessions
tonight. Yeah. wanted to get a picture
[46:14] and then we'll be back at the select
board meeting very quickly.
[46:17] » Yeah, three minutes probably
going to pause the recording here.
[46:22] » Here is
>> and then we'll on reports
[46:28] and we're back at 7:20.
>> Okay, so now we are no longer ahead of
[46:33] schedule. We are a little bit behind.
Um, and we would uh love to have Mike
[46:37] Mcloid, our EMA director, and uh Chief
Whan join us um to talk about the
[46:43] memorandum of understanding with the
Sagodok County EMA uh team. And so we've
[46:50] got Mike here.
>> I'll begin, Brian.
[46:52] » Yes.
>> So, go ahead.
[46:54] » Phil Bill Davis, the SAG EMA director
who's very aggressive, very very much
[46:59] building out his department, right?
>> Yes. um send a memorandum of agreement
[47:03] which essentially I think for my reading
of it, have you had a chance to read it?
[47:07] » Yes.
>> Everyone. Yeah.
[47:09] » Okay. Um it sort of formalizes
a lot of what's in place
[47:13] » but maybe expands the control of the
county a little bit more in a certain
[47:17] sense. It centralizes the administration
operations planning and training for
[47:23] emergency management. Um, in particular
from my standpoint, it um, you know, we
[47:29] have an emergency management plan, but
it's not, it hasn't been updated in a
[47:32] while, and it probably looks different
than Witches and looks different than
[47:35] Dresen's.
>> Um, I think Phil's image is to
[47:40] essentially be able to have the town's
plans be able to roll up into the
[47:44] county's plans so that I mean, the core
aspect of this is sharing resources,
[47:49] right?
>> Yes. Um, so if something bad happens,
[47:52] um, and we need resources for, uh, a bad
chemical spill or something that we
[47:58] respond the same way that Woolwitch
responds, the Arasic response. So that's
[48:05] my understanding of it and I'm in
support of it.
[48:08] » Okay.
>> Um, I think it's favorable for the town.
[48:12] Um, Brian and I have discussed it a
little bit. Brian, you want to take it
[48:15] from there?
>> Thanks, Mike.
[48:17] » Uh, yeah, thanks, Mike. the I would
agree with exactly what Mike said. It's
[48:21] uh going to kind of centralize some
certain things. Um it's going to take
[48:26] some of the uh necessary but very
timeconuming things off of our plate
[48:32] here in Georgetown and again kind of
make it more uniform across the county I
[48:36] feel like and um you know really give us
uh an added boost to give us access to
[48:42] resources and options and um try to get
a bit more of everybody on the same page
[48:47] reading out the same playbook which I
think I'm all for. So, um, yeah, I think
[48:52] it's a I think it's going to be
worthwhile and, uh, it's an advantage to
[48:56] us as a community to, uh, to go into
this agreement with them.
[49:02] » Okay. Do we have any questions for Mike
or or Brian? Go ahead.
[49:08] » I had just one uh, right now, which is,
do we know what the other towns are
[49:12] doing? Because we can come into
alignment with Sagpar County, but it
[49:16] would be nice to know if the others are
planning to do that also. That's that's
[49:19] a good question because during the
emergency management meeting sometimes
[49:22] the attendance isn't that strong. So I'm
not sure how how well Phil is rallying
[49:27] that everyone. Um we might be the first
in the pool. I know Bath was at odds
[49:32] with it a tiny bit um maybe on the
particulars of the language. I haven't
[49:36] read it very closely or with that much
of an understanding of
[49:41] obligations and that kind of document.
So someone with that understanding
[49:45] should probably be reading it. Um, but
you know, I don't know that Woolwitch is
[49:49] I I did speak with the EMA from the
emergency management director from
[49:53] Woolwitch. Um, he was going to go
through the same process as I understand
[49:58] it. I don't know how strongly he feels
plus or minus on it.
[50:03] » And Ryan, do you have any concerns about
any of the language and how it um binds
[50:09] the town or gives up some control to uh
SAG?
[50:15] » No, I don't. Um, I did read it through a
couple times. Um, and I didn't really
[50:21] find any spots where I felt like,
uh, are we we're giving up any kind of
[50:27] real control. I mean, the the things
that they were going to take over, the
[50:31] county's responsibilities are things
that, um, if we need to get to that
[50:36] point with a major incident uh, or an
event that uh, we would be asking for
[50:42] their assistance anyway. So it it's
like, yeah, okay, of course. Yeah, you
[50:47] want to take on that, that'd be great
because I don't have time for that right
[50:50] now,
>> right? And not that giving up I don't
[50:53] want to uh signal that giving up control
is a bad thing. Sometimes that's a good
[50:57] thing because it systematizes and it,
you know, it it it has a clear path for
[51:02] what's going to happen. This is the
process that's going to occur if there's
[51:05] a chemical spill. We know it because we
have this MOA M. Yeah.
[51:11] » Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. And I just note
that one of the concerns that uh Mike
[51:15] and I talked about a little bit was
around the personnel management
[51:18] language, but when you dive in further
um you talk about the county agrees to
[51:22] provide senside services, etc. They list
A throughF, one of them's personnel
[51:27] management, right?
>> That to me is a concern of giving up
[51:29] control. But when you get to the section
personnel funding, it's very clear that
[51:33] we retain local control and that the
town wouldn't get caught up in costs
[51:38] without blessing them.
>> I went through the same pattern. Yeah.
[51:42] » On the first read of it, I was like, I'm
not gonna have Phil tell me what to do.
[51:45] But then, um,
>> you know, the other paragraphs were
[51:48] clearly were within our control.
>> Yeah,
[51:50] » absolutely. That that's how I read it.
And
[51:53] » I do think that tonight we weren't
looking to adopt, but start the
[51:56] conversation.
>> Phil was eager
[51:59] » to come down tonight, but I figured
let's have a local control conversation
[52:03] first, and if we end up in the next
couple of days having questions we want
[52:08] to tweak, we can get them to him.
>> Okay. um and bring him back for a
[52:11] meeting to
>> Does he have a a potential deadline for
[52:14] when he'd like or do we know?
>> You know, there's no deadline. You know,
[52:18] I think a lot of it could be done kind
of asynchronously with Bill. We know he
[52:22] likes to pitch things and he's great at
it. Um but
[52:25] » I you know, if you look at the document
and have some things that you want to
[52:29] » you want to address red line, I think he
could probably get a lot of it done.
[52:33] » Yeah.
>> Um I don't know that there's that much
[52:36] more for him to explain. Brian could
differ with me on that.
[52:40] » Yeah, I
>> um I think it's pretty I think
[52:44] » pretty
reasonable really for both parties.
[52:49] » I think it's very reasonable. I think
that um I think Phil's nice and
[52:53] aggressive and is is building out a
capacity,
[52:56] » right?
>> And he's seeing is that this is a means
[52:58] to do that. And um I think it's in our
best interest. I don't think there's a
[53:03] necessarily a price tag associated with
right now. In fact, I think it's kind of
[53:06] in that game for us.
>> Yeah. And on that not I was just going
[53:09] to say on the budget advisory committee
on the SAG county side when I was
[53:13] sitting there looking reviewing the
budget for FY27
[53:16] um you know that he has a pretty robust
proposed budget. He had a pretty robust
[53:21] proposed budget maybe with this in mind.
So it is something we can take a look
[53:26] at. I misunderstood that I thought we
were going to be adopting it based on
[53:29] that.
>> We we definitely could. I mean I agree
[53:32] that the
>> I think Yeah. I mean, let's give it if
[53:35] if we if let's sit with it a little bit,
make sure we are all comfortable with
[53:39] that language and then look to um take
action on the 22nd. Is that something
[53:44] that y'all are comfortable with, Kathy
and Katie? Okay.
[53:48] » But no one I think what Brian and Mike,
you should be hearing from us is we're
[53:52] not we're in support of this. Great.
>> We just uh want to review the Nothing
[53:57] about the language jumped out at me. I
reviewed the personnel thing. I also was
[54:00] concerned about because I didn't want
SAG telling our Georgetown EMA Yeah. uh
[54:04] director um what to do because we're you
know we are the bridge community we are
[54:09] and so there's going to be times where
we may different our approach and that's
[54:12] okay too.
>> Absolutely.
[54:14] » And I do think we need to up update our
and and maybe change if that's what it
[54:18] is our emergency operations plan. It's
got it's got Justin as you know
[54:24] » it was pre-built. This is this is one of
the there's it's not urgent, but that's
[54:30] » for me why to do this because my plan
gets rolled up into everybody else's.
[54:34] » Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Or at least it's going to get rolled up
[54:37] into SAG SAG counties.
>> Nobody else joins us. So,
[54:40] » and Phil writes it,
>> right?
[54:42] » Good.
>> Right. I'm curious to know which other
[54:45] municipalities sign on.
>> Yeah. I I don't know that anyone signed
[54:49] on yet.
>> Okay. Yeah,
[54:51] » we can we can check.
>> Yeah. I mean again at the budget at the
[54:54] BAC meetings you know we were all
talking about his budget right because
[54:58] you got Woolitch there and you got West
Bath and so you know I would imagine
[55:02] Topsome there's a lot of discussion
about that budget so I think this you
[55:06] know I think we probably will see other
communities join
[55:10] » because we have you know we're being
assessed for that work already.
[55:14] » I'm going to um
>> approve it. We we could parse the fine
[55:19] print and make sure there's something
that's so we'll we'll come back. You
[55:22] don't need to you don't need to be in
person on the 22nd, but if you want to
[55:26] join us on the 2, but you can be back on
the 22nd.
[55:29] » Thank you, Mike. Thanks.
>> Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Brian.
[55:31] » Thanks.
>> All right.
[55:35] And then uh moving back down. Let's see.
I think we're going to now jump down to
[55:41] continuing items.
>> Uh and we actually have no continuing
[55:44] items and nothing for review.
>> Yes. Um, there was a slew of
[55:48] correspondence that was provided. Um, of
particular note, I wasn't finding
[55:52] funding opportunities in Senator King's
list that really applied to Georgetown,
[55:56] but I'm going to continue to send those
along because we may know somebody in
[56:00] town that could benefit from one of
those programs, too. So,
[56:03] » and we do want to give him a shout out
for his post that he shared with us. And
[56:07] so, do you want to tell everyone since
you shared it with us? Um, Senator King
[56:11] actually was in town this past weekend
and saw the sign about no fire permits
[56:16] until real rain and he thought that was
an example of good government in action
[56:21] being very clear and direct and it got
thousands of likes which was pretty cool
[56:25] for Georgetown to get those props. Kudos
Brian and the department.
[56:29] » Yeah. And he said what his post said
something like um this is what uh a town
[56:35] this is common sense from a town not the
fancy one Georgetown Maine. So that was
[56:39] great. Yeah, they were at Oysters. He
and Mary Herman were at Oysters that
[56:42] weekend.
>> That's awesome.
[56:43] » And then the Post happened. So, yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Um listening to Michelle and
[56:49] Mark actually play. So, that was fun.
All right. Um and so, yeah. Anything
[56:53] else that we have questions about?
>> I thought the flock camera letter is
[56:57] something that
>> we do need to talk about. So, we
[56:59] definitely want to talk about that. Um
so, let's start start off with that.
[57:03] » Uh it prompted me to go to that website
that shows you where all of the
[57:08] surveillance cameras are. I think 70% of
them are actually branded as a flat
[57:12] camera. Um, there aren't any in
Georgetown, there aren't any in Arasic.
[57:16] There's four in Witch.
>> So, there's a cluster in Woolwatch that
[57:21] we all pass every time we go through the
intersection near Derry.
[57:26] » Do they have their own police department
in Witch?
[57:28] » Because we don't have law enforcement
down. I mean, right,
[57:31] » that sounds like we're the wild west,
but we we don't. So,
[57:34] » I don't think Woolish has a
>> They don't
[57:36] » police department. I think they rely on
s I'd be curious to see who put those
[57:40] cameras in up and which too. Was it
state police? Was it DOT? Or was it
[57:43] » Sag information on the website about who
or when they were put up, but
[57:48] » I have a Sagot Hawk manager meeting on
Thursday. I can definitely ask Kim up in
[57:53] Woolwitch for a little more details.
>> Right. Yeah. Um I listened to a podcast
[57:59] about them and got a little bit more
information. I don't feel like I have
[58:04] everything I need. Thank you for
providing the Auburn.
[58:09] » Yeah, that was take on it. Yeah.
>> Yeah, there are quite a few
[58:15] municipalities that are banning them
outright
[58:18] » until and that's how I feel. I think
that they
[58:21] » we don't need to mess with that until we
know what how what and how they're being
[58:25] used.
>> It's kind of like how AI started.
[58:28] » Remember how AI started and everybody
was like, "What is this?"
[58:31] » Yeah.
>> And now and now it's here. every day,
[58:34] » but it at least you know then you were
allowed some time,
[58:39] » right?
>> So that's essentially what you're asking
[58:41] for. Let's have some time.
>> Yeah.
[58:44] » And the good news is Mandy asking for an
ordinance. I don't anticipate the select
[58:49] board calling a special town meeting at
this stage for that. So we do have time
[58:53] ahead of town meeting next year to get
more info, see what's going on in the
[58:57] region, find out how did the language in
Auburn pass, did it not? And I'd say of
[59:02] that Auburn language,
um, given the fact they have their own
[59:07] law enforcement in town,
>> right,
[59:09] » a lot of that makes sense if that's a
community value that Auburn voters want
[59:14] to pass.
>> Whereas in Georgetown, we don't have law
[59:18] enforcement directly. So,
more food for thought. And I'm going to
[59:23] continue myself diving in. It was
actually kind of fun. Kathy had asked a
[59:28] couple of questions that I thought I
knew the answer to based on an article
[59:31] and within an hour I realized, wow, my
answer was bad and I got on the phone
[59:35] and corrected that. But we want to make
sure that we're just
[59:40] crossing tees and dotting eyes
>> and and this is the kind of thing that
[59:42] we just were talking about. you know, if
we if we decided to move in a direction,
[59:47] you know, to take a stand on this one
way or the other, we we would be having
[59:51] once again someformational meetings to
gauge the community and see what the
[59:55] community thinks about this and and what
are our values. I mean, we're very, you
[59:59] know, we're much smaller community than
Auburn
[1:00:02] » and this is what they decided, which
ultimately was to ban them, right? Is
[1:00:08] there a kind of response the select
board would like me to get back to Mandy
[1:00:12] that we're going to continue to look at
current events and what's going on or
[1:00:18] » Well, first we appreciate her bringing
it, you know, forward.
[1:00:21] » Yeah.
>> Um and taking the time as a very
[1:00:23] thoughtful letter. Um and uh what else
we want to say?
[1:00:29] » We'll be gathering information.
>> Yeah. Little R&D time.
[1:00:33] » Absolutely.
>> I think you've already responded to her
[1:00:35] a little bit. you've acknowledged.
>> I I agree. I think I think it's an
[1:00:40] interesting discussion. I think it's
bigger than AI. Well, Flock is it's
[1:00:44] bigger than Flock. It's AI powered
surveillance meth
[1:00:49] which she mentions, but it's also
where does Constitution right to freedom
[1:00:54] and privacy begin and end?
>> Yeah. I mean, and people are very
[1:00:58] specific about, you know, some people
don't want their pictures on Facebook or
[1:01:02] they don't want them to be on social
media and they may not know this is
[1:01:05] happening. And then others are like,
well, there are and and there are
[1:01:08] sometimes legitimate law enforcement
reasons to have cameras.
[1:01:11] » Yeah. Well, you know,
>> Director Robin Hood probably has lots of
[1:01:14] them already because they caring for
people's property and we have about 50%
[1:01:19] of our housing closes up for some period
of time in the winter,
[1:01:23] » right? Yeah. So, I bet a lot of those
people have
[1:01:25] » the flat cameras don't do faces.
>> It's just
[1:01:29] » just the license plates and any kind of
bumper sticker, any sort of on the
[1:01:35] vehicle.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:38] » Scans that and makes note of it somehow.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:43] » With some of these security cameras
because we have them all over my
[1:01:45] building.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:47] » But we're going to continue to dive in
and Yeah.
[1:01:50] » get some community feedback.
>> Okay. Great.
[1:01:53] Um, all right. Thank you. The only other
thing that I just flag in the main
[1:01:57] office of community affairs newsletter,
they do talk about a working waterfront
[1:02:01] conference in Bar Harbor in November.
Yes.
[1:02:04] » Um, I'm working to get some more details
on that. I did dive in a little bit
[1:02:08] more.
>> Um, there's an early bird registration
[1:02:10] fee that cuts off this week. So, I don't
think we're going to hit that. It's only
[1:02:14] a $25 difference, but I'd encourage
select board members. I'll forward that
[1:02:19] email directly so you can click the
links. Yeah.
[1:02:22] » Um, just so dive in and see, but as
we're becoming a working waterfront
[1:02:27] community, that may be something we want
to have a select board member or
[1:02:31] somebody from the town or the committee
represent the town for.
[1:02:34] » Yeah.
>> And hotel rooms in Bar Harbor because
[1:02:36] it's a two-day event.
>> Right now, we're about 165 a night. So,
[1:02:40] there's
>> a way it could be doable.
[1:02:42] » Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, I I might be
interested in going and I um would I
[1:02:48] mean we'll have to see sort of if I
could work that out and I would have I
[1:02:51] think
>> potentially a place to stay that
[1:02:54] wouldn't cost the town.
>> Even better.
[1:02:56] » Yeah. So, but that doesn't preclude
anyone else from going and I have things
[1:03:01] I would otherwise have to also square
away before I could be away overnight.
[1:03:07] » So, I'm thinking let's think on it. I'll
circulate some more details and maybe on
[1:03:11] the 22nd we can Yeah.
>> see if we want to designate someone.
[1:03:14] » Yes, for sure.
>> Yeah.
[1:03:15] » Um Yeah. So, you're going to send us the
email with the links. Thank you.
[1:03:20] » Okay. Thanks.
All right. And um now we are ready for
[1:03:25] our committee updates. Uh would you like
to go Katie?
[1:03:29] » Sure please. Thank you.
>> Um
[1:03:34] August 24th,
was a while ago was a planning board
[1:03:39] morning meeting. Um they discussed um
the YouTube channel posting and
[1:03:45] recording their meet meetings and um
they all thought it was a good idea. Um
[1:03:51] four applications were updated. There's
solar sign building and demo and
[1:03:55] wireless and the new forms were
approved.
[1:03:58] um the CEO had input on those forms that
was taken into account. Um part-time
[1:04:05] CEO, he the forms were asking more of
him. So, they wanted to be mindful about
[1:04:10] adding work for him on any of those new
applications. Um they expect every
[1:04:16] applicant to fill their forms completely
and it shouldn't be a burden to the CEO
[1:04:21] to chase down applicants for missing
information. It slows down the board.
[1:04:26] Um, so the hope is that applications
come to the meetings complete.
[1:04:31] » Is that clear on the application that
you've seen?
[1:04:34] » Um, is that made clear?
>> It's oversightes. It's missing
[1:04:37] information. They they worked really
hard to make the application's very
[1:04:41] clear, but they need to be completed.
Yeah.
[1:04:44] » Um, it's more user error.
>> Yeah. Okay. That's what I was very
[1:04:48] clear. I assume it is.
>> Oh, there. Yeah, they're great. Um,
[1:04:54] so what else?
There was a discussion about whether the
[1:04:59] CEO has a job description and he does.
>> Um, a board member had created a lengthy
[1:05:04] list of items to take a look at. Um,
just kind of gleaning from previous
[1:05:09] meetings and minutes and the board went
through them and um, addressed each item
[1:05:17] and no applications were processed at
that meeting. The next evening there was
[1:05:21] a um BOA special meeting to approve the
extension of the variance for 142 Old
[1:05:28] Schoolhouse Road and the new deadline is
now mid November.
[1:05:32] » September 2nd there was a planning board
meeting. Four applications were approved
[1:05:37] including a wireless tower application.
>> Um it's pending some documentation and
[1:05:42] application edits.
Um, they also had just received
[1:05:46] notification on LD273,
which is the housing development
[1:05:51] allowance, and um, they talked about its
impacts on Georgetown.
[1:05:56] » Um,
and we're going to go over that later,
[1:05:58] so maybe I'll breeze by that. Um, and
then on the 8th, they had another
[1:06:05] planning board meeting where they
finalized the comments on that that
[1:06:10] notification for LD 2173 where they're
requesting
[1:06:15] um, public comment. Um,
and we'll go more into that. The another
[1:06:23] thing they spoke to today was um, the
designated growth areas in town. Um,
[1:06:28] when a town adopts a comprehensive plan,
the growth areas are mandatory unless
[1:06:33] they're exempt for natural resources.
Um, and designating the growth areas is
[1:06:39] required. So, um,
it allows the state to get grants or the
[1:06:46] town to get grants. Um, we have two
designated growth areas in Georgetown.
[1:06:52] And this new um I'm pretty sure it's
this new law also changes things around
[1:06:59] for designated growth areas increasing
density, housing density. So they just
[1:07:04] wanted to talk through that. Um and then
last night was the fire department
[1:07:09] meeting and ambulance one and eventually
ambulance 2 are getting new lock
[1:07:13] mechanisms so that the doors can unlock
and lock with a key fob.
[1:07:17] » Oh, good. Okay.
>> High-tech. And then September 21st, the
[1:07:21] county is activating their new um
communication towers. Um good,
[1:07:26] » which is great. It's dividing the county
into north and south. And all of their
[1:07:30] radios and pagers will get reprogrammed
the week prior to that activation.
[1:07:36] » And then they have a training on the
22nd. And then they have their spaghetti
[1:07:40] supper and open house on the 3rd and
4th. And there's coasters on the doors
[1:07:43] » of y. So, those are coming right up.
>> And I think that's all I have. Okay,
[1:07:50] brilliant.
>> Yeah, thank you.
[1:07:52] » Kathy.
>> Well, um I just attended the Georgetown
[1:07:56] School Committee meeting on August 19th.
The coming school year is going to be a
[1:08:01] contract negotiation year and the school
board will be our our school committee
[1:08:07] will be representing the town for
negotiation.
[1:08:11] The new interim or principal was
introduced at that meeting. at Swain
[1:08:15] Door who will be filling in for
Principal Miller until her maternity
[1:08:19] leave ends uh which I believe is in the
late fall. He has previously been at the
[1:08:24] Georgetown School. I think you brought
that up earlier. Yeah. Um I did attend
[1:08:28] the August 24th planning board meeting
September 2nd and Katie covered them
[1:08:33] really well so I'm not going to say
anything.
[1:08:36] » Shelfish Conservation Commission uh
committee meeting was September 3rd. Um
[1:08:41] and they discussed monthly meeting
format, clarified it. Um they're kind of
[1:08:47] jumping off to a new way of trying to be
um a little bit more structured or a
[1:08:53] little bit structured. Marissa Mcahan
also offered to administer Zoom for the
[1:08:58] hybrid sections and she was going to be
in touch with you about that.
[1:09:01] » Perfect. Yeah, that's great. uh a a
research scientist named Kate Clever who
[1:09:05] is working on a shellfish restoration
pro project in the basin area in
[1:09:10] Fifsburg joined the meeting to discuss
her project and ask if the shellfish
[1:09:15] conservation committee would support a
similar pilot restoration project in
[1:09:20] Georgetown and the shelf fish committee
is interested um she has some funding
[1:09:26] she'll be looking for more funding um
and she'll coming over here uh the
[1:09:31] shellfish committee had ordered seed
clam seed and it's arriving in October
[1:09:36] and they're going to uh get it ready for
planting. I'm not sure that's the
[1:09:42] technical term, but they're going to put
it down
[1:09:44] » in the fall.
>> Yeah, the August water quality sampling
[1:09:48] at Saget Hawk Bay was good. The water
quality was good. They found no
[1:09:52] problems. A few sampling t sites in Sag
Bay had tested positive for caulifform
[1:09:58] » in the spring. So, this is very good
news.
[1:10:02] Uh, and conservation commission meets
next week, but I just wanted to remind
[1:10:06] everyone that coastal cleanup is this
Saturday. Um, bring in your um help help
[1:10:12] clean up the the uh coastlines, the
beaches, and marshes if you can. And
[1:10:17] bring your uh stuff in. There's there's
collection material, bags, and things in
[1:10:23] a bin outside the town office. And we'll
see you there.
[1:10:27] » What time?
>> Oh, I think we start at 9:00.
[1:10:29] » 9:00. I think it's 9 to 12. We're
setting up at the
[1:10:32] » And there there'll be a table at the
transfer station, right?
[1:10:34] » Yes. Yes. Okay.
>> Come on down. It's fun. I mean, it's fun
[1:10:37] to just be there. We we um love seeing
people who bring stuff in. We love
[1:10:42] Crazy.
>> Yeah. We love seeing people who don't
[1:10:44] bring stuff in, but they just want to
come over and talk about trash they have
[1:10:47] found. So, it's a good time.
>> Yeah.
[1:10:49] » And it's it's a good thing. The whole
>> There's an International Coastal Cleanup
[1:10:53] during the month of September. So, we're
just part of a much bigger thing.
[1:10:57] » So, thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. Um, all right. And
[1:11:02] so, uh, let's see. We'll start, um, I'll
start backwards a little bit. The, uh,
[1:11:10] keeping along with the schedule. So,
September 12 is Coastal Cleanup.
[1:11:13] September, uh, 19 is Art in the Park,
uh, show, um, sponsored by Reed, uh,
[1:11:19] Friends of Reed. And, um, that is in
conjunction um, as y'all know, with the,
[1:11:25] uh, fall frolic that the rec committee
does. So I believe the art show is 10 to
[1:11:29] 2 10 to 1 and um and uh fall frolic is
11:30 to 1:30. So um there's both are
[1:11:37] going to have music. Both are going to
have food. It's free to Georgetown
[1:11:41] residents and I assume they'll still
work out the ticket thing uh with y'all.
[1:11:45] So just be aware that if you have a park
pass, use that please. Otherwise, if you
[1:11:50] need a ticket to get in, see the town
office. Is that or no? No, we're not.
[1:11:55] » I have not been told that yet.
>> No. So don't. Okay,
[1:11:57] » strike that. Do not see the town office,
>> but they're meeting.
[1:12:01] » They're meeting tomorrow.
>> So, I bet I'll have details soon.
[1:12:04] » Yes. So, um I to be amended that
comment. Um but in any event, those are
[1:12:09] the big uh those are coming up the
following weekend after coastal cleanup
[1:12:13] and I'm glad they no longer clash with
each other. Um, and so yes, Wreck is
[1:12:17] continuing to work on uh that and
presumably um looking towards I hope
[1:12:23] working collaborating with uh the GCC on
a Halloween gig, but um I'll find that
[1:12:28] out at tomorrow's meeting. And um we've
already heard from the working
[1:12:32] waterfront group. So um they are on a
pause and except for the outreach that
[1:12:37] they would like to do. Um
the uh you've already covered some of
[1:12:43] the other committees that we a few of us
may have over overlapped with each
[1:12:47] other. So I'm going to skip over those.
Um the harbor committee met in um gosh
[1:12:56] early at end of end of August. And so,
uh, they talked, uh, quite a lot about
[1:13:00] the, um, mapping that they're doing,
which is a very, um, fascinating project
[1:13:05] that, uh, uh, Woody and Frank and, uh,
Mike Fina are doing with the, um, uh,
[1:13:13] uh, with the, um, the moorings. Yes. Um,
so, um, that's that's very interesting
[1:13:19] and that work continues and to learn
about what they're doing is is helpful.
[1:13:24] Um, did you want to say anything about
that because I know you've talked to
[1:13:26] Woody some more about that. I not at
this statement.
[1:13:29] » Okay. All right. And um so that's Harbor
Committee. Then of course uh we we are
[1:13:35] kicking off our evaluations of town
employees this week. Um the uh and so
[1:13:41] those will uh occur on a rolling basis
as you know. And so um that work uh
[1:13:47] that's under the personnel committee
which we all three although I'm the
[1:13:51] point person we're all three doing that
um as much as we can together. And then
[1:13:56] the uh personnel work group will be
getting together. We're going to need to
[1:13:59] use as I think we I've talked with you
from time to time both for evaluations
[1:14:04] which you already know but we will
always ask you before we book it
[1:14:08] » um an appointment to use the conference
room because it's a busy place. Um, so,
[1:14:13] but the working waterfront um group,
excuse me, the uh the evaluations we'll
[1:14:20] need um to continue booking and I know
we're going to talk about that more some
[1:14:24] tonight, but also the um personnel
policy work group will be starting its
[1:14:29] meetings and so we'll ask you when the
conference room is available and try to
[1:14:33] work around um being mindful I know that
y'all are working at the same time. So,
[1:14:38] um and I think that's it for my
committees. I do believe I'm forgetting
[1:14:42] something, but I I know we're anxious to
get moving on. So, um, their minutes are
[1:14:46] are presumably on online.
>> Okay, go ahead, Tyler. What's with the
[1:14:52] next agenda item?
>> So, I will be very quick with my town
[1:14:55] administrator update. I just wanted to
flag that tomorrow morning, uh, we'll
[1:14:59] have a special select board meeting
that'll be executive session, um, to
[1:15:02] tackle some items. The September 10th,
I'll be at a SAG at a hawk manager
[1:15:08] meeting at 10:00 am. It's in Fippsburg.
I'm going to try to attend that in
[1:15:12] person. I may have to zoom it just with
the way this week has been. Um on the
[1:15:16] 15th of September, the Nature
Conservancy is potentially holding an
[1:15:20] open house for their pavilion at
Ledgemir, but they wanted me to check in
[1:15:24] with the select board and see. Can't
promise that if the date doesn't work,
[1:15:28] they can't move forward, but wanted to
check in with us first. Um it'd be from
[1:15:33] 3:30 to 5, so it's the middle of the
day.
[1:15:35] » They'd want us to attend. uh there make
sure at least we feel invited. So the
[1:15:40] town office select board
>> September 15 which is next week and
[1:15:43] because it's so close I feel like the
date could still shift but that was the
[1:15:47] last date that I'd heard. So for what
that's worth on the 17th the select
[1:15:52] board will be taking a trip to Mahan and
I'm excited for everyone that will be
[1:15:56] attending that. Um on the 22nd I just
want to flag that we will likely have an
[1:16:01] update on new voting machines. Um, Angie
is going to be working on some of that.
[1:16:06] State of Maine is buying new voting
machines. There's a big contract piece
[1:16:10] to that. Um, at this stage, we don't
believe there's going to be a town cost,
[1:16:14] but if there is, we want to make sure
that's upfront to us, but Division of
[1:16:18] Elections is moving that way. So, for
what that's worth. Um, today, uh, 26
[1:16:24] properties went to lean. Um, Angie on
her way north to her conference, um,
[1:16:30] stopped at the registry of deeds to do
that. So, thank you, Angie. We'll keep
[1:16:33] folks posted on as those trickle off or
eventually could move towards
[1:16:37] foreclosure. Um still underway on
reviewing property cards from the
[1:16:42] assessor. Um that is a big focus that we
have been working on in the town office
[1:16:47] to be ready once splits are here. So in
the month of October or early November
[1:16:52] we can commit taxes because for the last
few years we've been trying to tack
[1:16:56] towards October and I'm still hopeful
but some leg work that we're finishing
[1:17:00] up on that front. I talked about the
working waterfront convention. I wanted
[1:17:05] to flag that Buster reached out today
from the Shellfish Committee. They will
[1:17:09] be having a special meeting on September
24th at 6 p.m. and he said he would be
[1:17:14] in touch with you, Kathy, but just for
what that's worth, they're bringing in a
[1:17:18] scientist to to come. So,
>> okay.
[1:17:21] » I don't have all the details, but it
should be interesting. Um
[1:17:24] » that's at 6, Tyler.
>> Yeah, on the 24th.
[1:17:27] » Okay. Um, and then I wanted just to flag
that um I'm hoping in the next by the
[1:17:32] next meeting, possibly the first one in
October, just depending on timeline, to
[1:17:36] have a draft insert for tax bills for us
because that's another piece of that
[1:17:41] commitment process. That does mean I'd
ask folks that are working with the
[1:17:46] solid waste committee um to potentially
ask them to in the month of October
[1:17:54] talk about the holiday schedule. I know
that on the one hand they prefer to do
[1:18:00] that later in the season, but I can say
residents really find that insert of
[1:18:06] relevant dates very helpful when a lot
of folks have it on their fridge. Um,
[1:18:10] town report is not quite done yet, but
we're working on chucking through the
[1:18:14] audit to pull out relevant documents
that end up in there. I did want to ask
[1:18:18] the board, um, some years the town has
dedicated the town report. I'd like us
[1:18:24] to move forward and dedicate that in
memory of Bramwin given that that was
[1:18:28] the last year that she would have been a
part of.
[1:18:30] » Um, is that an okay move forward?
>> Sure.
[1:18:33] » Do you need a letter or something that
will go with it or you going to write
[1:18:37] something?
>> I'll I'll get something written up. Um,
[1:18:39] but she'll be right on the first page in
there and we've got a good picture of
[1:18:43] her from town meeting that I think will
be exciting to share. Um, just on the
[1:18:48] assessing front, I just wanted to flag
for folks, we had one property that the
[1:18:52] town has been dinged for, so to speak,
from Main Revenue Services regarding um,
[1:18:57] exemptions. The property had previously
been owned by individuals and had moved
[1:19:02] into an LLC and the town had failed to
pull off those two exemptions. So,
[1:19:07] there's minor costs associated with
that. Um, and lastly, when it comes to,
[1:19:13] and I, and I mean really minor, it's
less than a thousand dollars, and it's
[1:19:16] going to come right out of the aotment
that main revenue gives us anyway. So,
[1:19:21] for what that's worth, um, we did
receive the preliminary valuation as
[1:19:25] we're looking towards next year, uh,
2027. The state thinks the town of
[1:19:30] Georgetown will be valued, if you added
up, all property, real estate, etc. at 1
[1:19:36] billion 36,150,000.
In 2026, it was 1 bill11,300,000
[1:19:44] 942 million the year before. But it's
worth noting the taxable valuation isn't
[1:19:49] that high number. Um last year we had a
valuation of around 1 billion 11 million
[1:19:55] and change. Our taxable valuation was
918 million. The difference being
[1:20:00] exemptions and tax programs. So all
kinds of assessing stuff coming. I
[1:20:05] realized I've hit way too many topics,
but don't hesitate to reach out if you
[1:20:09] have any questions along those fronts.
So, and I can answer them now, too, if
[1:20:13] need be. But I just said a lot.
>> Thank you.
[1:20:16] » My voice hurts.
>> You need some more water. I have water.
[1:20:19] Anyone need it? Um, all right. Uh, and
now any questions for Tyler?
[1:20:26] » Okay, we're ready for Chief Wayland.
>> All right. Thanks, guys. Um, so, uh,
[1:20:33] like, uh, Katie just said, I got a
couple things, um, regarding vehicles.
[1:20:37] Our ambulances are getting the locks
upgraded to meet our new DA
[1:20:40] requirements. Uh, ambulance ones is in
now, should be back by the end of the
[1:20:45] week, and, uh, ambulance 2 will be in
early October, it looks like, um, to get
[1:20:50] that same work done. Um, looking forward
to that. Uh, next in after that is tank
[1:20:56] two. has got an air leak somewhere in
one of the air actuators for the dump
[1:21:00] shoots, but uh we'll get that in after
the ambulance is in. And uh that's what
[1:21:06] we got from vehicles right now. Uh we're
up to about 87 calls for the year, which
[1:21:11] is a little bit below where we were at
this time last year. Um so that's fine
[1:21:16] for us. We did have a pretty busy uh
Labor Day weekend uh regarding calls,
[1:21:22] but um we're able to handle most of
them. We did have bath come down um for
[1:21:29] some of them, but uh we were able to get
out for most of them. So
[1:21:35] the uh did checked on that today and uh
looks like Bath has come down to or been
[1:21:40] dispatched for Georgetown already nine
times this year. I'm not really sure
[1:21:44] exactly if there's a specific
uh reason for that necessarily, but um
[1:21:51] something we're keeping an eye on. Um, I
know we budgeted for for 12 this year,
[1:21:56] so we're already pretty high on that.
Uh, hopefully we can cut that down as
[1:21:59] the year goes. Um, working on trying to
brainstorm some solutions for that, but
[1:22:05] um, it really comes down to
availability, who's around when the call
[1:22:09] comes in. So, um, keep an eye on that
moving forward. Uh, we have the Five
[1:22:15] Islands uh, roof repair should be
getting going uh, this fall before it
[1:22:19] gets too cold. Uh we got the deposit
sent out to the roofing contractor uh
[1:22:25] last week. Uh looking into getting some
forestry upgrades. Um we're talking like
[1:22:32] internally on uh you know maybe adding
some equipment or um maybe some extra
[1:22:37] forestry hose, some supply hose, things
like that. Um for uh so we'll have that,
[1:22:43] you know, ready to roll for next
probably next season. Uh is the way
[1:22:47] we're looking at it right now. Um, uh,
in relation to the, uh, woodfire we had
[1:22:53] back in the end of July, uh, I did find
out from the Forest Service that an
[1:22:58] individual was summoned for, uh, burning
on land that was not theirs and, uh, for
[1:23:03] failure to extinguish. Uh, so the
summones have been issued at this time.
[1:23:08] So, uh, that's where we are on that. Um,
we have our new
[1:23:12] » Does that mean does that mean that the
person uh, was found? And when you say
[1:23:18] it's been issued, um, it's also been the
summon has been served or just issued.
[1:23:23] » I don't know the the exact word that I
got was issued at this point. So, I
[1:23:27] don't know if it's actually been served
yet.
[1:23:29] » I don't I don't have a timeline on that.
I don't know how recent that is. Um, so
[1:23:33] » that's that's the information I got with
that so far. Um,
[1:23:38] » we have our new uh communications tower
should be online towards the end of the
[1:23:42] month. Um, so we'll have our radios
reprogrammed a bit. um just to match up
[1:23:47] the channels. Um like Kitty said, we're
going to go with a north and south uh
[1:23:52] grouping of channels so that um instead
of hearing the entire county all in the
[1:23:57] same channel, we'll be hearing only half
of the county down here. So, it'll help
[1:24:02] kind of compartmentalize some things and
uh just kind of keep the airwaves clear
[1:24:06] for when we need them. Um but we're
looking forward to that. The increased
[1:24:11] coverage should really help us out down
here. Uh it's going to be some minor
[1:24:14] upgrades to the rest of the county, but
I feel like for us, we're really we're
[1:24:17] really getting a lot out of this. Uh I
have high hopes um for this coming up.
[1:24:22] So looking forward to that.
Um we have our open house is uh Sunday,
[1:24:29] October 4th from 11 to 1. That's the uh
beginning of fire prevention week. We
[1:24:34] got some uh stuff for the kids. We'll
have our equipment out. Uh encourage
[1:24:38] everybody to come on by. Hopefully the
flyers will be getting up this week. um
[1:24:42] have everyone come on by, meet us, shake
their hand, see how's who's here, what's
[1:24:47] going on, that kind of thing. And uh if
anyone's interested in joining the
[1:24:49] department, we could talk to someone
about that uh pretty much anytime. But
[1:24:53] that's a good day for it, too. Um we are
still working on finalizing our uh DA
[1:25:00] registration, whatnot. So, we have the
actual registration now. Uh that has
[1:25:04] finally gone through. uh we have our
policies written and I'm working on
[1:25:09] getting the uh our procurement system
set up with our supplier at this point
[1:25:14] in time. So that's the step we're on
right now and once we get that fully
[1:25:18] engaged we can start to actually
transfer everything over and get that uh
[1:25:22] fully rolling right now. So, we're doing
that. And uh we have added fuel cards to
[1:25:29] the vehicles so that uh we can more be
more efficient when we fuel them up. And
[1:25:34] now every vehicle had its own assigned
card, allow us to track the the fuel per
[1:25:38] vehicle and things like that much easier
than we did before. So, those are some
[1:25:43] of our updates right now. Unless you
guys have any uh questions on anything
[1:25:46] particular or anything else you want me
to talk about over here.
[1:25:51] No,
>> I would like to thank the fire
[1:25:53] department for I know it was a very busy
weekend for them and uh I hope they're
[1:25:57] all doing well, too.
>> Yeah,
[1:25:59] » thank you. We need the signs.
>> Yeah.
[1:26:02] » Well, thank you for
>> um and Tyler, I don't know if you want
[1:26:08] to address this or you want u Brian to
the
[1:26:11] » um I don't know if Brian has been told
yet officially. So, Maine CDC reached
[1:26:16] out about
>> five or 10 minutes of five o'clock
[1:26:19] tonight. Um there was an animal bite
this weekend and it turns out the
[1:26:24] raccoon was in fact rabid. Um the
language from CDC doesn't indicate where
[1:26:30] the animal was, but connecting dots, my
understanding it is the Bay Point Saget
[1:26:36] Bay Road part of town. Again, the
raccoon is gone and tested, but
[1:26:40] something gave it rabies in that area.
Um we've got wording up on the website.
[1:26:45] » We have all kinds of flyers the state
provided us with that are up in the
[1:26:48] hallway here. and in the comments on the
town Facebook page, which already has
[1:26:54] been getting a lot of attention. So,
>> okay.
[1:26:59] » Well, thanks for the info. We'll uh pass
that along. Keep the keep an eye out.
[1:27:03] » Yeah.
>> And you said that particular rabbit
[1:27:05] raccoon is no more.
>> That is how they test for. So, yes.
[1:27:09] » Yes. Thank Thankfully.
>> Thankfully.
[1:27:12] » Thank you.
>> Yeah. Um Okay, great. And we did notify
[1:27:17] the animal control officer from Bath on
call about that and left a message for
[1:27:21] Dory Coolis. I'm sure game wardens are
aware, but that was a fun right after
[1:27:26] the town office closes.
>> Smattering of calls. Yeah.
[1:27:30] » So for what that's
>> people should be aware.
[1:27:32] » Um I mean they're they're everywhere.
>> Yes.
[1:27:36] » Um I don't like them as you might
remember.
[1:27:40] But anyway,
um I'll keep my comments to myself. All
[1:27:45] right. So, uh, now we are going to go
to, um, old business and, um, theus
[1:27:51] » are ongoing.
>> They're ongoing
[1:27:53] » and I would say that the and we could
honestly add the Sagot Hawk EMA to the
[1:27:57] list of ongoing ones. Now, that's
technically a memorandum of agreement
[1:28:01] and
>> question I have for Phil is what's the
[1:28:04] difference, but I digress. That'll be
offline, right?
[1:28:06] » Um, and the comprehensive plan check-in
we're going to be deferring until 9:22.
[1:28:11] Yeah, we just we have a lot of business
that we still need to get through uh
[1:28:14] tonight, including both executive
sessions. So, makes sense. That's not
[1:28:19] something I want to rush. I know y'all
don't want to rush our comp plan
[1:28:22] check-ins either. So, all right, let's
uh move on. We have now a date for
[1:28:27] meeting with our committee chairs and
hopefully a second person from the
[1:28:31] committees if we can um so we can when
we talk about uh because sometimes the
[1:28:36] chairs aren't available for the meeting.
So, it's nice to have somebody else from
[1:28:39] leadership there. Go ahead, Tyler.
>> So, that'll be on uh September 29th at 7
[1:28:45] PM and will be hybrid. We're holding it
here at the town office.
[1:28:49] » Um so, the room will be tight. That
said, we'll make it work and folks on
[1:28:53] Zoom um we'll have that available as
well.
[1:28:56] » Yeah.
>> Um I think that part of what we wanted
[1:28:58] to do tonight was just have a check-in.
Um if board members have suggestions or
[1:29:03] thoughts of things they'd like to make
sure we have on that meeting, just
[1:29:07] please get those to me. I'd say by
middle of next week so we can have an
[1:29:12] agenda for your guys's blessing on the
22nd.
[1:29:15] » And the meeting will be about a week
later.
[1:29:17] » Yes.
>> So, um,
[1:29:21] and we've got so much going on now. I
wonder if we should entertain having a
[1:29:25] an additional select board meeting at
some time just to get through things.
[1:29:31] » Yeah. the comp plan.
[1:29:38] » That's what we get for skipping one
meeting.
[1:29:40] » It's a lot.
>> And I I will say that we have a select
[1:29:43] board meeting tonight. Tomorrow was
technically a meeting of the select
[1:29:47] board.
>> Uh we'll have the meeting on the 22nd,
[1:29:50] the visit to McMahan.
>> Um as well as um the meeting with
[1:29:55] committee chairs the following week. So,
I think the select board will be getting
[1:29:59] together with some different hats every
week this month.
[1:30:03] » Um, not saying that's a bad idea, just I
don't know where the time might be in
[1:30:08] September. But,
>> if we needed to workshop before
[1:30:15] on anything that was a priority for us,
we could potentially do it after Macan,
[1:30:21] but depends on how long we'll be on
Macan. But
[1:30:24] » you mean that you can't do it after
>> Yeah. I don't know how long we're going
[1:30:27] to be there.
>> And and again, I think that
[1:30:30] » right you Yeah. Yeah.
>> A lot of these items though we say
[1:30:33] they're ongoing. Some of them will
continue to be ongoing. For instance,
[1:30:37] the schoolou with the town has been on
our list for a while, but that's
[1:30:42] something that will be coming.
>> Although that that was discussed uh with
[1:30:45] Elaine at the last school board meeting
in August. So I think they
[1:30:49] » right. But I'm just saying that some of
these things though they appear often
[1:30:53] » were not in a bad place. Um, but
>> I do agree. We want to have some good
[1:30:58] conversations about the comp plan
check-in. Um, I'd say bring some good
[1:31:01] notes on the 22nd and we'll plan to dive
in deep unless we do need to have a date
[1:31:07] sooner.
>> Yeah.
[1:31:08] » Okay. Okay.
Um, all right. So uh and then we've
[1:31:13] already addressed the working waterfront
proclamation
[1:31:17] and I think our last new business item
>> all these patient members
[1:31:23] » unless I'm missing it um is the uh
discussion regarding the public comment
[1:31:28] and do we have Rufus too?
>> We do
[1:31:31] » and Pam. So we've got I think everybody
planning board Jennifer Dave. Okay.
[1:31:37] » Yep. All right. Great. Um All right. So,
uh, I don't know if it's going to be
[1:31:42] Rufus that addresses us or if it's going
to be Bob. Um, how are y'all planning to
[1:31:46] do this, Bob? Okay, come on down,
please.
[1:31:48] » And I just want to state to the planning
board, my apologies that you're at the
[1:31:52] end of this meeting. Uh, this addition
to the agenda has been a little bit in
[1:31:56] flux over the weekend, and so I just
would have had you as a scheduled
[1:31:59] appointment earlier, but I appreciate
you being here, Bob.
[1:32:03] » That's okay. You'll pay later.
>> I know. I know.
[1:32:10] Okay. Uh, you
I'm sure you've heard almost everything
[1:32:15] I'm going to say.
We got notified about a week ago that
[1:32:19] there is going to be a rule making
proposal
[1:32:23] to carry out the implementation of LD
2173.
[1:32:28] And uh, once we got word of that and
read it, uh, there were some things in
[1:32:35] there that were of concern to us. The
biggest thing that concerned us
[1:32:42] is the statement for any area in which
residential uses are allowed, including
[1:32:48] as a conditional use, a municipality may
not require planning board approval for
[1:32:54] accessory dwelling units or solely
because the project will establish four
[1:32:59] or fewer residential dwelling units
within a single structure on a lot.
[1:33:06] Well, the way that reads, I'm sure it's
not their intention, but it would
[1:33:11] basically
uh eliminate
[1:33:15] the Georgetown Planning Board from
approving any permits.
[1:33:21] » Everything would go to the code
enforcement officer.
[1:33:26] And with the code enforcement officer
being a part-time code enforcement
[1:33:30] officer, that's not fair to him. uh it
basically is pointing the town in
[1:33:37] direction that you would have to have a
full-time code enforcement officer which
[1:33:42] is not anything that you know the
planning board is interested in pursuing
[1:33:48] or even recommending.
Um but at any rate we have the
[1:33:54] opportunity to submit comments and
recommendations
[1:33:58] to the rule making. The deadline for
that is the 18th of this month. Um,
[1:34:05] as Katie said, we've had a couple of
extra meetings and and scrambling to get
[1:34:12] things together and Rufus over the
weekend has put together a uh proposal
[1:34:18] uh which basically
tries to straighten out a couple of
[1:34:23] things so that
it it's clarification and makes clear
[1:34:30] that the planning board still does have
permission
[1:34:33] to uh sign building permits for single
family dwelling units uh ADUs and things
[1:34:41] like that.
[1:34:45] And I believe you've all got a copy of
it.
[1:34:48] » Yeah,
>> I can go through and read it or you can
[1:34:52] if you've got questions or comments.
>> No, I do have a question for for Rufus
[1:34:56] on his uh and for both of y'all, I
guess. Um, so you know, at least in the
[1:35:01] legal world, the word may is may, right?
Did y'all already talk about this?
[1:35:09] » Okay. So, we don't have to rehash that
discussion.
[1:35:11] » Well, we want your perspective.
>> But, so when I, you know, so I deal a
[1:35:16] lot with rules and, uh, so may is
discretionary. Shall is um, you know,
[1:35:23] has no discretion. So,
>> are you sure you weren't listening in
[1:35:27] this morning? Yeah.
>> So, I mean, so that would just be my
[1:35:32] question. I wouldn't want us. So, I
don't know that. I'll leave it at that.
[1:35:36] That's what I'm throwing out there. In
my world,
[1:35:38] » yeah,
>> and I have not talked.
[1:35:42] » So, go ahead, Rupus.
>> We've done uh we we spent um a lot of
[1:35:47] time on this. Um and I actually uh if if
you look it up, um there are three
[1:35:53] things you could have shall, may or
cannot. And uh shall is a command.
[1:36:01] » You shall not do it.
May not do it means you're not you don't
[1:36:06] have permission to do it.
In other words, without the may not, you
[1:36:12] would be able to do it. So it's it's a
um a setting where if it weren't for the
[1:36:18] may not, you could do it. And then
cannot means uh you don't have the
[1:36:23] capacity. Uh so in the context that
we're dealing with here, the proper use
[1:36:28] uh is may not and it means prohibit uh
unless we get this clarification.
[1:36:35] » Okay. I just wanted to I I wanted to
know if y'all discussed it. I should
[1:36:39] have known you discussed it, but you
know, I'm just coming to this party
[1:36:42] late.
>> I told them was very simple. Just put a
[1:36:45] comma in there.
>> Yeah.
[1:36:48] The punctuation thing.
>> Yeah, I do love punctuation. All right.
[1:36:52] Great. Well, thanks for the work that
y'all put into this. I had a couple of
[1:36:55] just little uh tweaks to the memo, but
um just a word tweaks. Nothing nothing
[1:37:01] that changes anything substantive.
>> Um
[1:37:06] » I was curious about you getting your
eyes on this document because it does
[1:37:10] read very
>> legalise, right,
[1:37:13] » in a way. And
>> I've only, you know, I've only looked at
[1:37:16] it today after my work day, but yeah.
>> Yeah,
[1:37:19] » we tried to get it through as quickly as
possible and get it in your hands so
[1:37:24] that you could see it because the
deadline is not very far away,
[1:37:27] » right?
>> And I assume that you would want to pass
[1:37:31] it through the town attorney as well.
>> Well, the um maybe maybe not. I'm going
[1:37:37] to let Tyler speak to that. I wondered
the same um and and also mindful of the
[1:37:43] budget, but go ahead, Tyler.
>> So, I would say that we could certainly
[1:37:46] pass it through the town attorney. Um
she's more equipped to decipher legal
[1:37:50] ease than I am. I can say that in the
past when the town has taken positions
[1:37:56] on policym
testifying before the legislature. We've
[1:38:01] done that on numerous bills. The town
has written resolutions in the past that
[1:38:06] actually I think helped bring
Representative Heeper some of the way on
[1:38:09] housing early on. Those were not things
that were reviewed by town legal
[1:38:14] counsel. Um I am mindful that we
only have so much in that budget and
[1:38:21] again there are other buckets if we had
to.
[1:38:25] » I don't know that for testimony I'd
necessarily say it needs to go through
[1:38:29] the attorney. That said, if folks are
wanting to be cautious and make sure
[1:38:34] that things are good, I could see a
definite case for that. Um, but I don't
[1:38:40] think we want to in practice any time
that we offer testimony on a bill to
[1:38:46] send it that way. I know that the
attorney would love that. I know in the
[1:38:49] past when we had a special and private
law in, uh, Py and Flity was working
[1:38:54] really hard to try and get us to let
them take on some of the lobbying for
[1:38:57] that. We held it here. We had part of
ledge counsel right here at our tables.
[1:39:02] I just share that may be a good step,
but I don't think it's particularly
[1:39:06] necessary in the sense that this is
public comment to an agency that's in
[1:39:12] the middle of rulemaking and ultimately
we'll make a decision.
[1:39:15] » Is this something that MMA would have
any um particular I mean there's things
[1:39:20] that ought to go through Kristen Collins
and then there's things that MMA can
[1:39:25] address for us.
>> I MMA may take a look at it. I don't
[1:39:29] know with the time that we've got as
well.
[1:39:33] » Um if we want to go that route,
>> I'd note that this came through on a Mid
[1:39:38] Coast Council of Governments newsletter.
>> Um I read I
[1:39:42] » former legislative aid. I'm a nerd. I
read a lot of the legislative bulletins
[1:39:46] from MMA.
>> I could have missed the one asking for
[1:39:49] public comment on this rules. I just
>> share that
[1:39:53] » if we get MMA in it could turn this into
an eight-page document two-page or
[1:39:58] » right
>> then do we get the planning board back
[1:39:59] together? So I just
>> I think it first came into being like
[1:40:03] around
August 18th or 19th something like that
[1:40:09] is when it first came out
>> but we didn't get word of it or were not
[1:40:14] informed about it until last week.
>> Right. I'm just saying when it came
[1:40:19] » and you know it's going back to the to
the county council it u the draft was
[1:40:29] written up by a lawyer
>> a pretty good one too I have to say
[1:40:32] » rumor has it
>> yeah and it's it was very well
[1:40:35] researched and he gave up his Labor Day
weekend for that so
[1:40:39] » he he gave he put a lot of time into
this so over Labor Day weekend and he
[1:40:43] did have family visiting and so on and
so forth so We're very appreciative all
[1:40:48] the time.
>> Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. It was clear
[1:40:50] you put a lot of time into this, Rufus.
If we had challenge coins, you'd be
[1:40:54] getting one.
>> Is there a difference between submitting
[1:41:00] testimony and a comment like this? It
seems like
[1:41:04] » not particularly. So, I mean, this
>> Arya could probably speak to it a little
[1:41:09] bit better than I, but the legislature
passes laws. They often times then have
[1:41:14] an agency develop rules to implement for
the law.
[1:41:17] » That's where we're at on this one. So,
the law has already been passed.
[1:41:21] Normally, we try to head it off at the
pass at the state house, right?
[1:41:25] » But I'll also say that we are very not
picky and choosy on the battles we
[1:41:30] choose to wage, but we've only got so
many arrows in the quiver. Um, this
[1:41:34] definitely seems like a good move to
talk about housing. I think that
[1:41:39] Georgetown definitely has some advice it
could offer here. So, I think it makes
[1:41:43] sense to offer that testimony.
>> Um, but I wouldn't necessarily say that
[1:41:48] we want to do testimony on every housing
bill.
[1:41:50] » Sure. There must be so many
municipalities that have part-time CEOs
[1:41:54] that are also in this vote. I I it
seemed to me that the piece of
[1:41:59] legislation was had the intention of
easing a system through a very
[1:42:04] complicated housing u field and but it
for small municipalities like us it had
[1:42:10] the consequent instead of actually
making it more difficult because we
[1:42:15] would have to probably hire additional
amounts of Mike's time.
[1:42:21] » Right. And one of the other questions
that we I think has come up is would it
[1:42:25] be more forceful, more powerful for both
select board and planning board to sign
[1:42:31] it or
>> I think it would have to come from the
[1:42:34] municipality, wouldn't it? I'm not sure.
>> I I think coming from the town of
[1:42:39] Georgetown, I mean, that covers all of
us. I mean, right, we could have
[1:42:43] multiple folks sign, but I from my
experience in Augusta, testimony is very
[1:42:48] important.
It's more the meat of what's in there
[1:42:51] than necessarily who's signing it. But
not to say that we can't add a signature
[1:42:55] sheet.
>> It probably doesn't make a difference.
[1:42:58] » I mean, I think we're all the same
municipality.
[1:43:00] » I think the question was who will send
the email
[1:43:02] » from what email will it be?
>> Well, the TA, I would imagine. Yeah,
[1:43:06] » I can do that if we're comfortable. Um,
do we want
[1:43:10] » I I mean, I'd like a little bit more
time. Okay. But Rufus, is there anything
[1:43:13] you
>> Huh? We have a little more.
[1:43:15] » Yeah. Right. Exactly. I thought you said
you had the time and I was like,
[1:43:21] » we have gosh.
>> So, we have until next Friday,
[1:43:24] » right?
>> Yeah. Right.
[1:43:27] » So, does that mean we have to um have a
special meeting?
[1:43:32] » No, we can make a motion tonight that
gives us enough uh discretion, give us a
[1:43:38] a buffer to make to make a decision like
we've done sometimes on funding motions.
[1:43:44] But I I do want to hear from Rufus. Um
Rufus, what uh what how do you want to
[1:43:50] supplement your writing here? If there's
anything in specifically that you think
[1:43:55] we need to pay attention to or make sure
we're comfortable with since it's the
[1:44:00] mun municipality that's going to be
delivering this.
[1:44:04] » Um well, these are um important issues.
Um uh I'm not sure you know agencies in
[1:44:13] my experiences are
somewhat reluctant to change things um
[1:44:20] but they but they do on occasions and
for example the original
[1:44:27] rule
contained
[1:44:31] uh you know I I got in touch with the
administrative officer the officer and
[1:44:36] the secretary of state dealing with
administrative rules and he was kind
[1:44:39] enough to send me the the comment um
page um of the agency in response to the
[1:44:45] original rule. It was like 70 pages. So,
>> wow.
[1:44:49] » Um there were a lot of comments on the
original rule. U but interestingly, no
[1:44:54] one has really focused on this one. This
has been on my alarm list for six months
[1:45:00] and uh it it just a sleeper there. And
um I I' I've uh sort of raised a lot of
[1:45:08] um I raised it with our um
representative um Allison and with Bob
[1:45:16] and others and it and it's just it
hasn't received a lot of attention, but
[1:45:21] it it could have a very serious impact
on on the town if it's read the wrong
[1:45:26] way. I think we should be all right on
this and I'm hoping we'll get some
[1:45:31] clarification, but I I don't see very
comfortable where we are and uh with the
[1:45:38] town making these comments. I don't see
us um
[1:45:42] um I don't see how this there's anything
in there that I would point to you that
[1:45:48] um you should pay particular attention
to other than what what are you know
[1:45:55] the comments that are made. So, um it
it's sort of a little bit um dancing uh
[1:46:02] or counting the angels on top of a pen.
I mean,
[1:46:05] » it's
um and it's a lot of sort of word
[1:46:09] analysis and it sort of does get by by
necessity. You you get into
[1:46:16] some legal ease because you really have
to. Um but in the end, we're just asking
[1:46:21] for like on one issue, we we boil it
down to one word. just put one word in
[1:46:26] there and that'll cover us. And the
other one was like five or six words. So
[1:46:31] » what we're asking for is very modest
changes that would clarify this. Whether
[1:46:36] whether they agree with that or not, I
don't know. And if they don't, you know,
[1:46:40] we
we'll have to look at it. If if we win
[1:46:44] on the there are two issues here. And um
the um issue about solely because there
[1:46:50] four or less uh dwelling units in a
structure. If if we um if we get that uh
[1:46:58] agreement on that then um there wouldn't
be a huge impact on the second issue
[1:47:04] even if we lost it because um if we're
only talking about multiple um ADUs and
[1:47:11] and structures with multiple families,
there's just not that many. So if if we
[1:47:16] had to if the CEO only did those two
issues, that wouldn't hurt us. Um, but
[1:47:24] if if we couldn't do any single family,
then that would definitely be a huge
[1:47:28] issue.
>> Yeah. Donna, go ahead.
[1:47:31] » So, so in terms of a roadmap, would it
make sense if we get to the point of a
[1:47:35] motion that we tacitly approve that
we're going to submit comments to this
[1:47:38] and designate Arya and Rufus to touch
base to Wordsmith if anything had to be
[1:47:43] changed.
>> That I'm comfortable with that, Rupus. I
[1:47:47] can make myself available. I just had a
couple of tweaks to Words. I added a
[1:47:52] word just because one sentence was
particularly dense. I really appreciate
[1:47:56] how you made what I think is a lot more
of a dense topic uh straightforward
[1:48:03] um so that somebody who doesn't have
legal training understands what the heck
[1:48:07] you're talking about here. So I think
that goes a long way to still use common
[1:48:12] sense and not let our education get in
the way of that. Right. Um so but um
[1:48:17] yeah I think I'm comfortable with that
but it doesn't have to be me. It could
[1:48:20] be one of y'all since you've both been
more involved in this than me.
[1:48:24] » I think it should be you because you're
the chair and coincidentally you're also
[1:48:28] a lawyer. Um that's fine. I'm happy to
do that.
[1:48:31] » I don't think it means much.
>> I don't either. I literally like it's
[1:48:34] little tiny bits.
>> Yeah. But some days um it's going to be
[1:48:39] easy. I would suggest that um once we
agree on any final tweaking that one
[1:48:45] format would just be to have um Tyler as
as the um town manager send it an email
[1:48:53] and say this is the town's position. I
mean I don't know that we need
[1:48:56] signatures or anything else.
>> We can just get it in and
[1:48:59] » Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm comfortable with
that. I don't think we need a bunch of
[1:49:02] signatures either, but I you know I can
go either way on that. And so I'd just
[1:49:06] say we want to make sure any
conversations that need to happen happen
[1:49:10] by the 17th at the drop deadad latest
because we want to get this off at the
[1:49:15] top of the list
>> and we're going to see Rufus on I think
[1:49:18] on Macahan that day anyway.
>> That's true.
[1:49:20] » Yeah. I wanted to ask you Arya um uh
about that. I have a a golf cart on
[1:49:25] Mcmahan. Um and I go there every day uh
just about because of family. Um and I
[1:49:32] would be I I would um I'm I'm obviously
very interested in it because I see
[1:49:39] McMahan from the point of view that I've
spent my whole life on McMahan and now
[1:49:44] and now many years from the Georgetown
mainland side. And if uh I didn't want
[1:49:50] to interfere, but if I could be a
resource for you in that field trip, I
[1:49:54] I'd be very happy to do that. So, um I
just wanted to ask your permission for
[1:49:59] that because I I just don't want to butt
in on it. I know I have a right to do
[1:50:03] it, but that's not what I I just want to
see if it you're comfortable with me
[1:50:07] just tagging along and answering any
questions I could or
[1:50:10] » I I would defer just to the president of
Sheepkott Island Company and Chris. I'm
[1:50:15] sure they could accommodate, especially
if you've got a golf cart. We might need
[1:50:18] an extra seat, too. And you've got lived
experience. But given that the invite
[1:50:23] came from them, I just want to make sure
they're comfortable because
[1:50:26] » Sure.
>> Yep.
[1:50:28] » No, that's fine. So, if someone could
get back to me and say or um let me know
[1:50:33] if if they think that is all right. I
mean, I I'm not trying to introduce
[1:50:38] myself into conversations, but um
because I have a continuing
[1:50:44] uh presence in town and interest in
these issues, uh it would be nice for me
[1:50:50] to hear what what kind of conversations
take place.
[1:50:54] » Okay. Thank you. And so, uh and we'll
getting back to this memo. Um, you and I
[1:50:59] will coordinate offline, Rufus. Okay.
Just talk through these couple of little
[1:51:04] things. And you may say, "Nope, I I had
a specific reason for using that word."
[1:51:09] Um, and so that's what I wanted to to
talk to you about because again, it's
[1:51:13] very very minor.
>> Yep. That's fine. That's great. I'm
[1:51:16] available. Just shoot me an email.
>> Yep. Same same. And then we'll uh round
[1:51:21] up with you, Tyler, by the 17th. I'd
like to just do it sooner.
[1:51:25] » Amen.
>> Yeah. So, I don't like to go too close
[1:51:28] to a deadline like that. So, um Rufus,
you know how to reach me if you're
[1:51:32] feeling nervous about the time, but I've
got it in my uh calendar.
[1:51:37] » I don't know. I don't know. I was
telling Tommy tonight, I don't know how
[1:51:40] you guys do it. I just don't. But I
understand.
[1:51:44] » Yeah, we got it. We We have We got you.
All right. Um so, uh let's let's frame
[1:51:50] up a motion. Anything else you want to
share with us, Rufus, about this
[1:51:53] process?
>> Nope. Okay. I'm good. Anyone else on the
[1:51:56] planning?
>> And anyone else on the planning board?
[1:51:59] » I apprec we appreciate that all of y'all
are here.
[1:52:03] » I'd like to be kept in loop if there are
any changes made.
[1:52:08] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> Before it goes out.
[1:52:11] » Me too.
>> Yeah. I mean literally. Yeah. It's it's
[1:52:14] very smooth. I did attract changes. Um
just for ease of reading is really I
[1:52:20] guess what I should say is mine. Um all
right. So then
[1:52:26] Tyler, what kind of motion do you think?
>> Possibly a motion to submit public
[1:52:30] comment for the agency rule making on
the proposed housing rule to be
[1:52:35] submitted by
>> Yeah.
[1:52:37] » the 17th.
>> Yeah. Okay. And we'll just keep it that
[1:52:40] general. All right.
>> So moved.
[1:52:42] » Yeah.
>> Does that work? And I I'm happy to
[1:52:44] second it.
>> Okay. Thank you, Tyler.
[1:52:47] » All right.
>> All those in favor, it's unanimous.
[1:52:50] » And that is unanimous.
>> Yeah. So, um, just to recap, we'll get
[1:52:53] that, uh, review done. I'll talk offline
with Rufus. Um, we'll get that
[1:52:58] coordinated, those final will be sent to
the planning board and, um, and then
[1:53:04] we'll get that off of as our comments
to, um, in advance of the 18th deadline.
[1:53:11] Okay, great. All right. And let me go
back to the agenda.
[1:53:17] » I note that for items for signature,
there were no appointment certificates
[1:53:20] tonight. That's kind of just a
placeholder language. We do have a
[1:53:23] cemetery deed, two copies to be signed
later this evening, and then additional
[1:53:28] copies of the working waterfront um
designation proclamation.
[1:53:32] » All right. And now that returns us to
public comment at 8:28. Do we have any
[1:53:36] public comment in the room? No. Okay.
And what about anybody who's joined us
[1:53:41] online?
[1:53:45] Okay. Well, thank you for coming and
staying for the two hours that we ran
[1:53:51] tonight. And with that, pursuant to one
MRS section 4056E,
[1:53:57] we're going to have our consultations
with town council. And immediately
[1:54:02] thereafter, also pursuant to main
revised statute uh 1, section 4056A,
[1:54:09] we're going to continue our conversation
with town council regarding personnel.
[1:54:14] Thanks, Lisa.
and then we will very briefly um come
[1:54:19] back on and and adjourn. So, thank you
all. If you could please sign off, we'll
[1:54:25] see you around next time.
[1:54:30] » Who is um it was a someone I didn't
recognize anywhere.
[1:54:36] All right, we have concluded our
executive session and um we have now set
[1:54:42] our next date for
uh the executive session board meeting
[1:54:48] for October 6th.
>> Um in which we will be conducting
[1:54:52] personnel business
and is there any other business to
[1:54:57] conduct tonight?
>> Okay, with that I'll entertain a motion
[1:55:00] to adjurnn.
>> I move we adjourn.
[1:55:03] » I'll second that. All those in favor
9:30.