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Good morning everyone and welcome to the

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township of Georgian Bay. I'd like to

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call this meeting of the planning

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council for Wednesday, October 26, 2026

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to order at

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>> Did I What did I say?

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>> October.

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Oh, I'm getting ahead of

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myself. Well, I'd like to welcome you to

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the fourth meeting of planning council.

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[laughter]

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Okay. No, sorry. I'd like to Wednesday,

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August 26, 2026. I'd like to call this

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meeting to order at 9:06.

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Um, our apologies for the delayed uh,

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start. Um, not only was there a serious

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accident on the 400 northbound that

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delayed some people getting here and our

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thoughts were are to all those who were

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involved. Um, but then of course we had

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some technical difficulties to further

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delay us. So I appreciate your patience.

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And with that, in the spirit of

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reconciliation, we wish to acknowledge

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the enduring relationship between

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indigenous peoples and the territories

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they have traditionally occupied. We

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recognize and deeply appreciate the

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historic connection they have to the

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place, the land, the water, the sky, and

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all that live on, in, and above it.

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We are great, excuse me, we are grateful

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for the opportunity to meet here and we

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want to thank all the generations of

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indigenous peoples who have taken care

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of this land and who continue to care

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for it.

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And we want to show our respect.

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Hundreds of years after the first

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treaties were signed, they remain

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relevant today. May they guide our

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decisions and our actions. We commit to

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learn, to educate, to honor sacred

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places, and to take action towards real

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truth and reconciliation.

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Reg.

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We also wish to acknowledge the

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commitment of the residents of the

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Georgian Bay Township. We recognized

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that this municipality operates because

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of the financial support and

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volunteerism of a diverse community,

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including seasonal and full-time

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residents, volunteers, and businesses

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who sustain our services,

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infrastructure, staff, and local

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democracy. We all share common interest

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in having a transparent, fiscally

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responsible, well-governed municipality.

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council. The corporation, including its

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municipal staff, commit to serve with an

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accountability, fiscal responsibility,

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environmental stewardship to create a

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serviceoriented culture that focuses on

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helping and acting in the best interests

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of the community. Thank you,

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council. Any declarations of pecuniary

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interest or conflict of interest?

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Seeing none, I will let those who are

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online uh either in front of us on

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screen or observing us that we have in

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the the room here maybe 15 people in the

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audience um who will have an opportunity

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those who wish to speak will have that

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opportunity shortly

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this Morning. We are holding a special

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meeting of the planning council

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regarding the township's 2026 2028

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official plan comprehensive review and

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bill 98 new framework update. I'll

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briefly summarize the procedure that

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will be followed. First, the clerk will

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advise council when, how, and to whom

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notice of this special meeting was

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circulated. Staff will then provide an

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overview of the official plan

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comprehensive review, including how the

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review is proposed to take place in the

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new official plan framework resulting

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from recent changes to the planning act.

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Following the staff presentation,

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members of the public will have an

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opportunity to provide comments and ask

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questions regarding the review. We ask

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that comments remain relevant to the

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review and that speakers be respectful

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of everyone's opportunity to

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participate.

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Anyone wishing to speak is asked to

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state their name and address for the

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record and to sign in on the sheet

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of council will have an opportunity to

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ask questions and provide comments.

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To our clerk,

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notice of this public meeting.

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Notice I'm sorry. The special public

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meeting of planning council was provided

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through multiple channels including the

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township's website, lobby, television,

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and email distribution to associations

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and external participants. The notice

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was circulated at least 30 days prior to

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this morning's meeting. This special

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meeting is being held under section 263

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of the planning act as part of the

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township's official plan comprehensive

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review. The purpose of today's meeting

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is to provide information regarding how

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the review will take place, discuss the

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new official plan framework resulting

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from recent amendments to the planning

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act, and receive comments and questions

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regarding the review from community,

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stakeholders, and residents. Everyone is

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encouraged to participate in the

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official plan comprehensive review.

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meeting or submitted to the township's

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planning department throughout the

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review process. Please note that all

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comments and submissions received will

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form part of the public record for

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Thank you very much. Um my brief summary

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of all that is this is where we open the

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door to the whole process that's going

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to take place over the next few years.

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So this is the door opening. Uh and so

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uh you know keep that in mind that this

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is by far not the only opportunity

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people will have to comment.

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>> Madame clerk any correspondence you wish

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to let us know about?

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>> No comments have been received yet. No

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correspondent. Okay.

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>> I'm now going to turn the uh meeting

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over to our township planner Jeff Kraki

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who will provide an overview of the

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official plan comprehensive review the

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process moving forward and the matters

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being considered through this review.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor and with your

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permission I will share my screen

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and I've run into a technical glitch. I

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thought sharing screen was already

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Good morning everyone. My name is you've

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already heard is Jeff Kratkkey and I'm a

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planner here at the township of Georgian

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Bay. And although I've prepared a long

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report which everyone has the

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opportunity to read, I'm going to keep

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my comments today very brief because the

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main purpose of this meeting is to hear

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this meeting. And and the first was just

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to give the public a a very high level

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overview of what we're hoping to do

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during this review of our official plan.

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mentioned to the folks in the room, but

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I think everyone online will be hearing

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for the first time and the mayor has

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mentioned too, this is just the

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beginning. This is us opening the door

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to the public and to everyone, including

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indigenous communities and others to

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help us to find out what the new

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official plan for Georgian Bay will be.

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Um, and this conversation will continue

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for at least two more years, if not

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the purposes of this meeting, but just

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quickly there to discuss how this review

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is taking place, the new official plan

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framework required by Bill 98, and to

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hear from you.

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This review is taking place

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not just as the typical review and the

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typical review and official plan

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requires us to look at how the official

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plan remains

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in consistency with the PPS and

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conformity with the Muscoa official plan

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as well as with the community's

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aspirations, goals, desires, and

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intentions.

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But this one also requires us to look at

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this new official plan framework that

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has been required through the bill 98

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amendments to the planning act.

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I think importantly I need to apologize

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that the notice that is available

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electronically

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has an error in it. Um, I was trying to

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be as as helpful as I could uh by

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providing a direct link to the uh

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previous report regarding the official

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plan outline, but instead I provided a

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link to the wrong report. It's um the

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planning services report 2026 1220 sorry

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122 when it should have gone to planning

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services staff report 2026125.

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that because the other link above that

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direct link to the report goes to our

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review web page and on that review web

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page, the correct reports are linked

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that we are moving forward. But I just

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wanted to apologize to everyone for

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that. I think the other important thing

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that I really want to highlight is we

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don't have a newspaper.

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that means is that we're asking everyone

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to go to the township web pages and hit

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the subscribe button so that you receive

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an electronic notification when a notice

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is issued and you can look at it

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yourself once it's issued.

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topics, but again, these are just

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preliminary and if anyone feels the need

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to discuss things that we've not looked

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at on this preliminary list, we will be

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very happy to hear from you and to

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consider adding it to that list. And the

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preliminary list of topics was in the

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notice, but I think they bear repeating.

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environmental protection, indigenous

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engagement, new designations and

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schedules, policies for those new

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and then the issue of how we are going

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to look at the relationship between the

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bill 98 new official plan framework and

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other certain aspects of our official

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plan's current relationship is still to

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water access

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and navigation and marinas,

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employment, commercial and resorts,

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housing,

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the Port Sever Village Center, which has

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been long planned but is still

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unrealized,

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the McTar boundary,

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recreational water quality,

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is regarding bill 98 to the planning act

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and bill 98 has now amended the planning

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act. However, certain parts of that

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amendment have yet to be given effect by

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an order in council, and that really, I

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think, is likely leading to new

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regulations regarding how the official

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plan of the township relates to the

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district's official plan, the waterfront

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communities, and the site and area

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So, we will still need to adapt our

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review and we do not know when the

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province will address this matter, only

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that they've highlighted it on the

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environmental registry.

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In addition, we're going to have to

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change the framework of our official

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plan. And so, the bulk of my report,

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which I'm not going to get into details

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because it's there, but if you have

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questions, I'm happy to answer them. The

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bulk of my report is really how do we

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fit the pieces of our current official

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plan into that new framework. And you

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will see duplications there. And that's

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intentional because there are instances

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where we have policies in one location

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in the official plan where they will now

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have to be in two locations and

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separated out. So essentially the

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policies will have to be unmarried from

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each other into

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the same meaning or perhaps slightly

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different meanings further to whatever

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we find in this review but they will

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need to be changed and what my report is

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meant to be is that starting point from

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where we do changes tracked. So the

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changes tracked versions that will

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follow will not represent that shuffling

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of the deck. I'll I'll call it that

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shuffling of the deck is represented by

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the tables and figures in this report.

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And so it is an important report um but

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it's also not the end. It is just the

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beginning.

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So, the next steps are going to, as I've

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said, go for many years, but the

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immediate next steps, hopefully during

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the rest of 2026,

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will be for everyone who's interested to

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subscribe on the township website.

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Number two, I will be preparing a report

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to bring back to council to discuss what

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planning staff heard at this meeting.

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And number three, we've already received

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through our outreach to um indigenous

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communities a request for a special

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meeting of council um to receive a

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presentation from the Mady Nation of

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Ontario and we will be holding that

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special meeting. Now I want to

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distinguish between special meetings

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today and the special meetings that may

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be may take place throughout the

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process. Today's special meeting is

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under a specific subsection of the

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planning act. Whereas the special

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meeting later this year will not be

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under the planning act. It's simply um

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not a typical council meeting.

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Therefore, it's called a special

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meeting, but it is not a 263 special

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meeting under the planning act. And I

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just want everyone to understand that.

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And again, our outreach to the

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indigenous communities and to the

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district staff as our approval authority

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will continue at every single step

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during the process.

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And I do I I'm sorry. I don't know what

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happened to my other slide. I did have

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one more slide with the resolution

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that's before council um which has been

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revised but as uh uh the mayor will read

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it later um I will uh leave it for him

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to deal with it. Thank you.

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>> All right. Thank you very much for that

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overview. Um, at this point I'm going to

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naively ask, are there any members of

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the public who wish to comment on this

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application on on this presentation? And

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you've already, as you've already heard

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from the clerk, um, please, you know,

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come forward and give us your name. I'm

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going to go first to the folks online

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because I see we have a number of people

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online and ask those online who are in

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the attendees category. If you wish to

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speak, please put up your hand and

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you'll be moved over because I recognize

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some of those names from the listing we

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have here. So, if anybody online who

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wishes to speak to this matter, please

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raise your hand and you'll be

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pulled on over.

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I think they're all getting a cup of

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coffee at the moment. In the meantime,

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anybody here want to lead off the

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discussion?

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Okay,

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the brave planner in the group.

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» Thank you, worship and members of

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council. My name is Jamie Robinson. I'm

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a planner and a partner with MHBC

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planning and Barry. Just a few I know

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this is section 26 meeting. So, it's

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really just identifying topics and areas

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for consideration through the OP review.

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Uh there's just a there's a few clients

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that I represent in the township of

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Georgian Bay that have identified some

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potential issues. Um I think you you

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wanted my name and add my address is 113

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Collier Street in Barry with MHBC. So

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just in terms of a couple of clients and

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a couple of uh comments. Firstly, uh I

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represent Ken Otto who's a property

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owner on Six Mile Lake. One thing he

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would like considered through the OP

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review is strengthening of the narrow

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water body policies within the

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township's OP specifically to make it

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very clear that these areas are

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distinguished from other areas where

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there aren't narrow water bodies that

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there's greater development restrictions

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placed on those areas. Um he's recently

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gone through an OOLT hearing related to

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that matter and we believe there needs

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to be a strengthening of policies to to

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make it very clear for everybody

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involved what the the rules are with

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respect to development on narrow water

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bodies.

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Uh secondly, two property owners on

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Georgian Bay, Mr. Campbell Oller and

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Eric Lamond. They would just like to

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make sure that there's policies in place

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with respect to or continue to be

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policies with respect to access and

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changing water levels and providing

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permissions and direction to the zoning

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bylaw to allow for dock increases,

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dock length increases or potentially

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shifting of dock locations without going

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through a planning approvals process to

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do so to address changing water levels

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and the access considerations on

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Georgian Okay.

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Uh thirdly, I represent Oak Bay

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Developments as well and would like they

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would like to see some policies

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considered within the OP to implement

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direction in the planning act with

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respect to um delegation of approval

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authorities to staff in some regards

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specifically related to the removal of

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holding symbols and uh other options to

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potentially expedite

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development approvals where there's

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technical considerations at play which

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really aren't which are supported by

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evidence or supported by material from

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experts whether it's um engineering

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experts or whether it's um environmental

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experts. Uh they feel that that there's

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technical considerations involved. Those

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should be delegated to staff as a propo

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as opposed to a council approval. The

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planning act does allow for that now and

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it's something that would help uh move

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development

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uh forward quicker where technical

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requirements have been met.

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Uh I also represent Hall's Cottages uh

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and the Delawana Inn and then also

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Picnic Island Resort in Kenquino.

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They would like to see some polic

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combined. and they would like to see

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policies in the official plan that um

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encourage redevelopment of existing

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resort properties.

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And through that, one mechanism they'd

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like considered is potential operate

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opportunities

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and clarity in the policies surrounding

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residential being permitted as a

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component of redevelopment of resort

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properties. Um with respect to that

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comment, it is important to maintain the

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commercial function of those of existing

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resort properties. However, we believe

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that commercial function can still be

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maintained and in some cases enhanced

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through uh additional residential

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opportunities on those sites. One

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example I'll just provide is that u from

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a lending perspective, banks are um not likely to lend money for commercial

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redevelopment, but they will lend money

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for residential development. So where

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there's a portion of the site that's

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available for residential, that could be

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an influx of cash into the into the

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redevelopment proposal from outside

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sources, which could benefit the

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commercial aspect too by bringing more

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people and allowing for reinvestment in

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the commercial portion. So the main

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comment there is council we'd recommend

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be considerate of the economics at play

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for these redevelopments of existing

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commercial resort properties and um

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ensuring that the policies recognize the

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economic function these properties have

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historically provided and can can

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hopefully be enhanced over time.

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Um also like to comment on behalf of 117

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Port 7 Road which is the redevelopment

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that's happening at the uh Sunny Lee

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Cottages and they own some abuing

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property as well. Just through the

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experience and the redevelopment of of

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that property and going through the

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planning approvals process with those

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folks. um really it's sort of the first

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redevelopment proposal we've seen in

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Port Severign and and um so there's I I

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think obviously some lessons learned

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from that that can can help the

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municipality going forward. So, one of

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those is and one of those comments is

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specifically that uh an updated policy

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framework within Port Severign in the

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community to really recognize the

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differences the key differences of of

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redevelopment within a settlement area

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versus outside of a settlement area. um

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recognize that there's different

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considerations at play and key values or

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key instances, key opportunities within

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settlement areas versus outside of

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settlement areas. and uh looking for

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potential opportunities to expedite

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those settlement area approvals as well.

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um to reduce reduce time, but make sure

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still that those technical requirements

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are met to the best uh are met to ensure

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we have protection of the water body and

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protection of the shoreline and and

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really looking for a net improvement

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overall from a an environmental

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perspective, but still allowing for that

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influx of of

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um

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of redevelopment that will assist the

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economy and the local businesses within

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the community. So, with that, sorry for

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the long-windedness, but that's a sort

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of summary of uh of the clients that I

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represent uh currently that have

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requested that comments be made on on at

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this section 26 meeting. So, we'll

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provide something in writing to staff as

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well. It's for consideration going

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forward. Thank you.

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>> Well, thank you very much for those uh

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half dozen points.

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Um I've not seen any hands yet raised

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online, so I'll say who else who wants

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to volunteer next to come forward.

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Mr. Bean,

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» can you just Can you just push the

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silver button there to light?

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>> There we go. for [clears throat]

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good morning, Mayor Coot here, members

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of council, senior staff. Uh my name is

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Tom Bane. I'm here today uh representing

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the Eastern Georgia Bay Protective

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Society. Um

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I am going to make a presentation on

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environmental protection and water

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quality uh in the township of Georgian

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Bay over the last 70 years.

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of and it's my story. Um a

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number of years ago I read a book

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entitled CD How by Robert Boswell and

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William Kilbornne. CD How was Minister

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of Municip in the Mackenzie Kings

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government during the Second World War years and early 50s.

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I I spoke about how's enjoyment of peace

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and solitude after boarding one of the

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CPR boats at Port McNickel and traveling

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north on Georgian Bay and Lake Superior

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to his constituency in Fort William Port

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Arthur, now called Thunder Bay.

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When I was a young fellow, I used to

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travel my small boat to Bowley Bay and

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watch the CPR boats leaving Port

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McNickel and begin their travel north

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through the gap between Bowley Island

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and the mainland. The boats were dark

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green in color with black smoke stacks

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and belch black smoke from burning coal.

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One day I noticed a huge flock of

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seagulls following one of the CPR boats.

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On inspection, I found the surface of

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Georgia Bay littered with both kitchen

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waste uh and uh human waste.

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However, people in the know at the time

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told me not to worry that Georgian Bay

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had great powers of dilution and there

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were aquatic creatures that would eat

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and clean up what was left over. And I I should not be too concerned. That was

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70 years ago.

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In 1993, the Eastern Georgia Bay

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Protective Society was formed.

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Originally named the Honey Harbor Patrol

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incorporated and beame began surface

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water and bottom sediment sampling and

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testing. We tested a range of pathogens

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including total caulifforms, ficoforms,

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E.coli, entricoxy and sudamonus organosa

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to achieve consistency and reliability.

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In 1994,95 and 96, the Eastern Georgia

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Bay Protector Society collaborated with

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the University of Toronto Department of

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Microbiology, Dr. Pat Cipherid, and the

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Department of Bioatistics, Dr. Bernard

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Choy, to sample and test 22 live aboard

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boat anchorages from Honey Harbor to

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Good Harbor, Good Harbors north of Perry

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Sound.

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Sampling both surface water and bottom

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sediment was done twice a week, Sundays

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and Wednesdays for 10 weeks for three

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years. Testing was done for five

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pathogens and yielded over 6,000 data

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points for statistical analysis. The

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University of Toronto reported an

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absolute correlation between pathogens

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in the surface water and the presence of

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liverboard boats. The Georgian Bay

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Association unfortunately rejected the

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University of Toronto conclusions and

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thought the voters could be convinced

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not to dump their gray water. That

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program over three years cost $240,000.

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In 1997 and 1998, the Eastern Georgia

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Bay Protector Society conducted over 700

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on-site septics inspections using

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students trained by the Ontario Ministry

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of Housing in Honey Harbor, Cognine, and

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Gohome Bay with property owners

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permission.

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There were many non-compliant and

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defective systems. The data was provided

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to the township of Georgian Bay, but no

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follow-up action was taken.

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In 1998, the Georgia Bay [clears throat]

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Protective Society met with the

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Honorable Norm Sterling, Minister of the

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Environment.

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Minister Sterling told us that we should

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find a solution to the gray water

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problem and the septic problem and not

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to continue to complain about it. In

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response to the University of Toronto

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report, the Township of Georgian Bay

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passed bylaw 95-78

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to rec [clears throat] to regulate the

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dumping of gray water into Georgian Bay.

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It's called the graywater bylaw.

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However, the Ontario Ministry of

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Environment deemed the new bylaw to be

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uninforceable because it was contrary to

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Ontario Regulation 343, which allowed

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the dumping of gray water. On October

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the 15th, 1999, Mayor Michael Kennedy

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wrote to the honor honorable Tony

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Clement, Minister of the Environment,

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and pleaded with him to amend Ontario

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Regulation 393. There was no response.

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In the year 2000, the Eastern Georgia

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Bay Protective Society formed the Great

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Lakes Clean Water Limited Partnership to

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find solutions to the graywater problem

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with libertar boats and septic system

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problems at waterfront cottages. $3

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million was raised from investors to

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develop new technology. In 2005 or 2006,

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we received netty evaluation from the

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Ontario Ministry of the Environment. In

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2012, we received Canada ETV

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verification from Environment Canada. In

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2017, we received validation from

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Fleming College at Trent University

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Center for Alternative Wastewater

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Treatment after 5 years of on-site

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testing.

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As well, we achieved compliance with NSF

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350 for wastewater reuse.

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In 2018, the Ontario Ministry of Housing

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Water Technology Acceleration Project

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rejected our application under the

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Ontario Building Code Part and suggested

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we start in California or perhaps uh in

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China but not Ontario. We were told this

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was to protect the jobs of tree cutters,

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the excavators, the sand and gravel

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haulers and the septic installers. We

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simply did not understand

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the politics of the Ford government on

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how to get acceptance and approval.

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In [clears throat] recent years, the

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government of Canada has allowed small

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cruise ships to ply the waters of the

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Great Lakes, including Georgian Bay, in

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the summer months. We know we all know

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the the Pearl Mist that stops in

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Midland. These small cruise ships ply

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the salt waters of the Caribbean and

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elsewhere during the winter months.

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These ships have wastewater treatment

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systems that are based on ionization

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using salt water as a medium.

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[clears throat]

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These systems do not function using

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fresh water. In spite of this, the

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government of Canada allows these cruise

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ships to dump essentially untreated

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sewage into Georgian Bay as long as they

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are two kilometers offshore.

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The Georgia Boy Association has been

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following the conduct of this for

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several years and has been unable to

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receive answers to their questions from

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the bureaucracy.

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In 2021, the Ontario Ministry of

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Environment, Conservation, and Parks

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issued a certificate of for approval for

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a marina in Honey Harbor to cond to

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[clears throat]

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uh treat sewage uh to conduct to sorry

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to construct a sewage work to treat

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concentrated sewage from 135 resident

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livid boats in an unlimited number of

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transient livboard boats. It is big

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enough to support a two-bedroom cottage

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and there are no requirements for

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reduction of either pathogens or

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nutrients, only a discharge limit of

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1,000 liters per day. In fact, the

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system discharges unknown unknown

734
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,919
unlimited volume of untreated sewage

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from liverboard boats each day. The

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surrounding waters have total phosphorus

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levels of concentrations 10 times the

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background levels. [clears throat] And

739
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this is what breeds

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uh blue green algae blooms. and ammonia

741
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levels are are such not ever seen before

742
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in Georgian Bay.

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In 2022, the Eastern Georgia Bay

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Protective Society attempted to oppose

745
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uh the Township of Georgia Bay site plan

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amendment for the sewage works at this

747
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location uh at the Ontario Lanch Rio,

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but was kicked out by politically

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motivated decision. The township of

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Georgia Bay did not defend.

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In 2023, the Eastern Georgia Bay

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Protective Society began [clears throat]

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00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,039
concent began to see concentrations of

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00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:48,799
total caulifforms in E.coli in the

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surface waters of Honey Harbor not seen

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before in over 30 years of sampling and

757
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,799
testing. This continued in 24,25 and 26.

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It is thought to be the cumulative

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result of anthrop [clears throat]

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00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,360
anthropogenic sources over many years

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and the effects of climate change. In

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2025, proposed park model development at

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Basy Bay was finally abandoned after 10

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years of opposition by Gina Marco, the

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Eastern Georgia Bay Protector Society

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and supported by the Georgian Bay

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Association and the Cognitine Cottagers

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Association.

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This endeavor cost over a million

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dollars and there was little help from

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the Township of Georgian Bay. In 2025

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and 2026,

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[clears throat]

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the Eastern Georgia Bay Protective Side

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may draft applications to the Township

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of Georgia Bay for official for an

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official plan amendment and zoning bylaw

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amendment for protection of nearshore

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waters of the Township of Georgia Bay.

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Both applications were rejected by

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Township of Georgia Bay planning

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department saying they were quote akin

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to recital to a resolution rather than

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policy guidance. We are now asking Alan

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Ramsey, a well-known planner, to revise

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the wording to planner speak.

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Many years ago, I watched a movie called

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Cool Hand Luke, which starred Paul Lumin

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as Luke. [clears throat]

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Just before the prison warden shot Luke,

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he said, "What we have here is a failure

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to communicate."

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Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here

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today is a failure to protect the water

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in the township of Georgian Bay. It is

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you

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who need to listen and need to act and

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need to protect our most precious

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resource.

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The Abby water sampling and testing

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currently being conducted by the a

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dedicated group of citizen volunteers in

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the township of Georgia Bay while

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interesting does not comply with Ontario

805
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government legislation, regulations,

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00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520
guidelines, publications and there is no

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enforcement possible. What I have

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proposed in both the official plan

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amendment and the zoning by amendment

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contains nothing new. All of its

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contents are found in Ontario government

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legislation, regulations, guidelines,

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and publications. I would be very

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pleased to have your support to my

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proposal. Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Questions? Any questions?

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>> Will you be sharing that that

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documentation with our planning

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department? Uh I have a copy here for uh

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the clerk and I'll give it to her now.

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>> Appreciate that. Thank you very much.

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» Does anyone else wish to speak?

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>> Your worship. Uh Mr. Bane asked if there

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was anybody who would like to ask

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questions. Would that be a part of

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council discussion?

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>> If you if you like at this point, go

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ahead. Thank you. And through you,

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chair. Uh to Mr. Tom Bane.

831
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,720
There he is. Uh thank you, Mr. Bane over

832
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,079
the years you've been an advocate for

833
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:49,920
clean water. I've been to many meetings

834
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,320
that you've had and uh you certainly are

835
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,040
a champion towards that. My one question

836
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,680
in your presentation was about live

837
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,280
aboard boats. Um I happen to have a live

838
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,359
aboard boat. I live in the township of

839
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:08,880
Port Sever and uh upon occasion

840
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200
everything goes into a holding tank.

841
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,800
Then the holding tank is is um sucked

842
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,359
out by a truck and then it's taken to

843
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,839
the water purification plant and

844
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:23,760
filtered before discharge. Um,

845
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,599
I think most of the marinas have that

846
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,119
practice. At least I hope they do. But

847
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,440
it's something I think that needs to be

848
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,000
investigated a little bit more. Um,

849
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,960
and uh how the planning department would

850
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,040
deal that would would be a very good

851
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,119
question for me and I will deal with

852
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:44,960
that with the planning department. But

853
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,920
um something that um definitely needs to

854
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,440
be uh researched and is of importance

855
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,960
then we'll we'll try and make something

856
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,880
happen.

857
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,461
Thank you uh councelor Bochuk. U

858
00:37:57,461 --> 00:37:59,200
[clears throat] there there are two

859
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,599
components uh uh of sewage uh on a

860
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,920
liward boat. There's black water and

861
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,941
there's gray water. Under

862
00:38:07,941 --> 00:38:10,000
[clears throat] current legislation,

863
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,160
black water is required to be retained

864
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,880
as UFA suggested and pumped out at the

865
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,280
marina. And I I think that is quite

866
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,760
effectively being done. Okay. But under

867
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,079
current regulations, gray water, okay,

868
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,040
which is basically uh water from the uh

869
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,440
the shower, uh from the the kitchen

870
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,480
sink, uh from other activities, the BGE

871
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960
can be dumped into into Georgia Bay

872
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,400
under regulation 343.

873
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,119
and uh uh ba based on uh my current

874
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,880
information that it is being done.

875
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960
>> Thank you and and through you chair. Uh

876
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,320
I appreciate those comments and um I

877
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
believe you're you're right that um the

878
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,119
black water is held in tanks and the

879
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,640
gray water can be released into the

880
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,920
environment.

881
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
>> That's right. The can the can the can's

882
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,040
a good word.

883
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,680
>> Yeah, it can be. So um again, thank you

884
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,839
for your comments. I think we can use it

885
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:07,359
and be quite constructive working

886
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:08,640
together with our planning department.

887
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Thanks.

888
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:09,920
>> Thank you, counselor.

889
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,400
>> Appreciate it.

890
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,240
>> Any other questions?

891
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,400
>> Thank you. Thank you for listening.

892
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,640
>> Thank you. There's no doubt there's a

893
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,520
double standard between um I'll call

894
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,280
township regulations and provincial

895
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,240
regulations when it comes to gray water,

896
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,839
but I won't get into my editorial on

897
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:27,839
that at this point.

898
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,240
Anybody else who wishes to comment? And

899
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,320
I'm again I'm going to remind anybody

900
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,079
online if you wish to comment you'd have

901
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:35,680
to raise your hand so we can move you

902
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,240
over. But in the meantime in our

903
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:47,589
audience sir

904
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,480
good morning sir um planners and all. My

905
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,280
name is Bill Walksmith and I'm on island

906
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,280
1900 uh out in Cognine. Um your worship

907
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,720
you mentioned something about a signin

908
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,880
sheet here. I did not see one. Oh,

909
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,560
sorry.

910
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Um, I'm also on the planning committee

911
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,880
of the Cognition Cottages Association

912
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,560
and I'd really like to talk to a couple

913
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,119
of issues here today if I could. And the

914
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,280
one is the importance of the community

915
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,720
plans. And while I re realized from uh

916
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,200
the earlier presentation that there's

917
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,400
still some work to be done on it, but I

918
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,000
think it's very important and I think

919
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
council needs to know that those

920
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,520
community plans are there that different

921
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,240
areas within the township have very

922
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,839
different and diverse views. The

923
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:38,640
diversity is there and we need to make

924
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,520
sure that those plans and the things in

925
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
them continue on when the new plan is

926
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,359
developed. And we want to I want to just

927
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:49,119
emphasize how much it's important that

928
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,440
we keep those community plans in place.

929
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,658
The township is too big of a pl

930
00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:55,839
[clears throat] excuse me too big of a

931
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,720
place for a one-sizefits-all and we

932
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,079
really need to make sure that we get

933
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,880
that diversity there. And the other one

934
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,800
that I wanted to talk briefly about and

935
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,880
while it may not be specific to the

936
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,800
official plan is the issue of compliance

937
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,079
is compliance with the plan. There's a

938
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,839
lot of things happening out there that I

939
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:20,160
don't think it's necessarily

940
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,319
people's the individual cottages, the

941
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:24,160
individual property owners. I think

942
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,319
there is some room there for the

943
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:28,880
township and in the plan to monitor

944
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,880
compliance in particular. I mean, in

945
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,480
fact, the one of the reasons that I got

946
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440
involved with the planning process was

947
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,160
the fact that there was um an amendment

948
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,240
made and there were conditions put on

949
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,480
that amendment and those conditions

950
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,359
weren't met until until I brought it up

951
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:46,960
and asked that. So I think it's

952
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,599
important that staff both in the

953
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,040
planning uh building permits by law

954
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,000
enforcement that they become aware of

955
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,160
the conditions that are put when things

956
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,560
happen or the conditions in the uh

957
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
official plan and the bylaws and that

958
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,119
they be followed on a regular basis and

959
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,240
not left up as a complaint uh situation.

960
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,160
So those are really the two things is I

961
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,000
think we need to have more compliance

962
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000
and I think we really need to keep the

963
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,640
community plans in place. Thank you very

964
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,720
much.

965
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,359
>> Just just for your interest last week uh

966
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:24,800
I was with CO Mariotti at the um

967
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Association of Municipalities Ontario

968
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,400
annual conference and and we made a

969
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,880
presentation to the ministry about the

970
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,440
importance of community plans. They just

971
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,839
have one they their whole format just

972
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,640
says waterfront full stop and we're

973
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,160
saying yeah well we need subsets within

974
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,640
that and we got a favorable reception

975
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,800
doesn't mean that they're going to

976
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,520
respond the way we want but yes we we

977
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,000
understand very well that the the

978
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,760
differences in our waterfronts depending

979
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,280
upon where you are in the township.

980
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,640
>> Yes. And it's just I don't believe a

981
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,000
one-sizefits-all and I think the

982
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,839
community plans have worked very well in

983
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,440
the past and hope that they will be able

984
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,040
to be somehow be worked into the new

985
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,480
official plan. Thank you.

986
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,920
>> And I'd also like to thank the staff

987
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,359
that they've been very helpful whenever

988
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,520
I've been trying to uh bring forward

989
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,720
some issues. Thank you.

990
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,560
>> Well, thanks for that, too.

991
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,400
>> Yes.

992
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,240
Thank you to the mayor. Bill, I just uh

993
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,440
it's great to see you here. Thank you

994
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,920
for being here. Um I I know that there

995
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,000
will be a reach out from the planning

996
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,480
department to cottage associations and

997
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,800
other associations,

998
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,599
lake associations, etc. And I'm doing I

999
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,000
hoping that you and other members of the

1000
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,760
CCA planning group uh plan on

1001
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,800
participating in and providing input uh

1002
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,319
when that is requested from the planning

1003
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:38,880
department.

1004
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,240
>> I'm sure they are and I suspect that

1005
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,440
there's other members of the planning

1006
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,960
committee that are probably watching me

1007
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,640
saying thank you going for going first

1008
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,440
bill.

1009
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,960
>> Anyway, it's great to see you.

1010
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,640
>> Thank you,

1011
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,720
>> Director Whit.

1012
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,359
Thank you your worship. And if I may f

1013
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,079
Thanks, Bill. Um um further to Mr.

1014
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,240
Watsmouth's comments, you know, this official plan which is the

1015
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,480
fundamental guiding document for land

1016
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,720
use in the municipality, it affects land

1017
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,040
use, it affects economic development,

1018
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,800
protection of natural features,

1019
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,560
protection of those sacred places that

1020
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,880
the bear the mayor mentioned. Um and the

1021
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,880
current official plan has been in effect

1022
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,040
since 2014.

1023
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,400
Um and uh it was our intent when we

1024
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,440
embarked on this process um to take that

1025
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,200
official plan which we think has been

1026
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,359
working well and it was developed with

1027
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:32,079
much consultation with the communities

1028
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,880
um you know to improve upon it. We've

1029
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,359
been driving this car for 12 years now

1030
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:38,720
called the official plan and we wanted

1031
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,240
to tune it up. Um and then the province

1032
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:49,200
uh brought in Bill 98 which uh we're working proactively to conform to

1033
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Bill 98 and the standard that the

1034
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:53,680
province has now set for official plans.

1035
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
So um as part of that process and the

1036
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,200
mayor mentioned the deputation um to the ministry municipal affairs, we

1037
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,119
definitely want to preserve those um

1038
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,319
community plans. Um I'm also super

1039
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:07,760
thrilled with the feedback that I'm

1040
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,000
hearing so far. As Jeff mentioned, this

1041
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,880
is our first opportunity to go formally

1042
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,280
to the public um to really cast a really

1043
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,760
broad net to say, "Okay, um we as staff

1044
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,440
um with the help of council have

1045
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,160
identified what we think are topics that

1046
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,040
are important for the community and that

1047
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,960
um we should be looking at. But this is

1048
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,599
the opportunity to hear from you the

1049
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,319
public to understand are there other

1050
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:38,800
topics that we need to look at that we

1051
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,119
haven't captured yet or drill down into

1052
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,119
the topics we have identified as some of

1053
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,200
you have already spoken to. So, um,

1054
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,560
thanks for that. And, um, what will come

1055
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,079
of this is, uh, a better official plan,

1056
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,560
um, that better addresses these

1057
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,880
important land use issues and hopefully

1058
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,480
captures as much as we possibly can, um,

1059
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,400
the concerns that everyone's identified.

1060
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,000
As, as some of you have already pointed

1061
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,440
out, there are different levels of

1062
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,880
government, there are different

1063
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,839
jurisdictions, right? and and uh we have

1064
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:11,520
certain powers and we're certainly going

1065
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,920
to try to work we will work within the

1066
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480
powers that we have. Um but we will also

1067
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,079
work with other levels of government

1068
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,160
where we can to also bring about change

1069
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,079
that the community is seeking. So I just

1070
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:23,280
wanted to give that little bit of

1071
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,000
context about what an official plan is

1072
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,560
um how we got here and why we're here

1073
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,800
today. So keep the feedback coming and

1074
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,160
thank you for the time Mr. Mayor.

1075
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,000
>> Well I'm only going to add one extra

1076
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,680
thing and that's you said this is the

1077
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,440
opportunity to bring this up. No, this

1078
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
is the first opportunity because and I

1079
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,720
strongly encourage anybody here or who's

1080
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,440
watching or who may watch later. If you

1081
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,119
if there's things that you think are

1082
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,680
very important to consider, please send

1083
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,960
a note or contact Mr. Kraki um and uh or

1084
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,319
anybody else in the planning department

1085
00:46:56,319 --> 00:47:01,119
or on council. Doesn't matter who you contact initially. Um I say this is

1086
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,960
opening the door. Uh when the meeting's

1087
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,680
over, the door is still open.

1088
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:13,109
All right. next.

1089
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:21,430
Go ahead, please.

1090
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,680
There we go. [laughter] There's a red

1091
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,280
light. Does that mean we stop or start?

1092
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,960
>> Okay, [laughter]

1093
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,920
I'll try to stop and start quickly. Um,

1094
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,200
good morning, Mayor Coocher and

1095
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,079
counselors and staff and and interested

1096
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,400
citizens. My name is Naomi Emmed. I'm a

1097
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,440
permanent resident of Gloucester Pool um

1098
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,040
involved

1099
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,680
member of the community and um I'm here

1100
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,520
really just

1101
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,400
to to learn from the beginning. I I

1102
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,880
apologize I haven't read the anything

1103
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,560
that was online other than the

1104
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,079
announcement of this meeting. Um but the

1105
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,960
two and the the points that you went

1106
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,280
through uh quickly and I appreciate

1107
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,440
that. Um all of them seemed important.

1108
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Um but I was particularly interested in

1109
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,319
housing and whether there was any um and

1110
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:17,440
that's fleshed out in in your planning

1111
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,440
if there's a specific reference to

1112
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,920
affordable housing.

1113
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,760
um

1114
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,920
something that I is near and dear to my

1115
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,559
heart. Um and the other one was the uh

1116
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,000
addressing of the port severed

1117
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,680
community. So is it I'm really asking

1118
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,880
two questions more than I'm

1119
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,680
um

1120
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160
yeah I'm asking those two questions.

1121
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:44,960
>> Mr. Cracky

1122
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,480
>> with your permission Mr.

1123
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,079
Um

1124
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,880
the brief answer with respect to housing

1125
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,800
and especially affordable housing is

1126
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,680
that is I would say one of the areas in

1127
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,160
which our current official plan can be

1128
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,839
improved. And so a normal review I think

1129
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,559
would have addressed those matters. Um

1130
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,240
but now we're also going to be looking

1131
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:09,599
at relocating some of those policies.

1132
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,920
But no, that is we do not yet have a

1133
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,520
start. on a preliminary basis. That may

1134
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,160
be one of the locations in our official

1135
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,839
plan um in which we may seek um

1136
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,000
additional assistance from an expert,

1137
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,480
but that's to be determined. I think we

1138
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,559
want to start the discussion with the

1139
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,720
community before we decide that we need

1140
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,680
assistance. I think your second question

1141
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,280
is much the same as the last uh person

1142
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,559
speaking with respect to this notion of

1143
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,359
secondary plans. And while the province

1144
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:46,800
at AMO and on the environmental registry

1145
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,200
has demonstrated their understanding

1146
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,880
that this is an important matter not

1147
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,440
just to Georgian Bay Township but to

1148
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,359
many municipalities.

1149
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:58,720
They haven't yet given us any indication

1150
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,440
as to how they may address it. What I

1151
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,599
will say is the good news is that they

1152
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,760
have left

1153
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,240
those parts of the um planning act

1154
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,400
amendments that were made by Bill 98 in

1155
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,280
a gray if you look on EAWS. And what

1156
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,079
that traditionally means is that they

1157
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,160
are going to address something through

1158
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,079
regulation. And again, in the

1159
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,240
environmental registry posting that's in

1160
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,880
my report, you can click on that and go

1161
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,480
directly to that posting on the

1162
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,960
environmental registry. They do describe

1163
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,559
the issue and I think they've heard us

1164
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,640
as planners, people, councils. I think

1165
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,359
we're all just kept in suspense um until

1166
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:48,000
perhaps the house returns in November.

1167
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,880
So just to clarify um what I was

1168
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,880
addressing is the uh longstanding

1169
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,400
um

1170
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,119
initiative. I think it b dates back to

1171
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,760
the mid 1990s

1172
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,880
uh when the Brazette house was moved to

1173
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,720
um its present location and uh the the

1174
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,520
barn and then the comm community the

1175
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,280
community services building was built

1176
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,839
and the new township office. And during

1177
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,440
all of that, there was an initiative to

1178
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,839
create a a more identifiable port

1179
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:27,680
severing center um with connecting

1180
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,280
pathways and um so that it presented

1181
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,640
more as a unified community and there's

1182
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,559
been a lot of efforts on the part of the

1183
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:40,240
historical society and and Sig Bay and

1184
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:44,240
um you know local port people, but it's

1185
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,599
never

1186
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,559
complete been completed. So that was the

1187
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,480
bullet that I was particularly

1188
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,760
interested in.

1189
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,160
>> So most recently that has been included

1190
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,319
through our official plan as what's

1191
00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:00,079
called the port 7 um

1192
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,160
urban design guidelines and village

1193
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,160
center plan essentially. I can't recall

1194
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
the exact title. Um, but you're correct.

1195
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,400
There's only really been the government

1196
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,160
investments so far with respect to the

1197
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,800
preset house, this building, the

1198
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,599
library, um, the bridge, the park, uh,

1199
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,200
some street lighting, and some portions

1200
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,800
of sidewalks. And that's so Oh, and the

1201
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,760
boulevard on Lone Pine Road, uh, with

1202
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,119
the, uh, flowers and trees, etc.

1203
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,119
But thus far that has been the extent of

1204
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,839
the implementation. We do now have

1205
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:43,359
before uh council and with staff a

1206
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:45,119
proposed development that would be the

1207
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,079
first um as was mentioned by the

1208
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,640
consultant working for the developer to

1209
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,200
begin to implement that. The way the

1210
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,880
province wrote on the environmental

1211
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,680
registry is that they they don't agree

1212
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,359
with the current approach of our

1213
00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:03,839
official plan and the way those um

1214
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:07,200
policies are being uh provided.

1215
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,040
And what they've written on the

1216
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,880
environmental registry essentially is

1217
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,400
that we would have a secondary planning

1218
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,960
document that would include those

1219
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,480
policies as opposed to a guideline and

1220
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,680
then policies in the official plan. But

1221
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,440
they haven't actually provided any

1222
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,920
further discussion other than just

1223
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,760
saying this is where we may go. Um, so

1224
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,160
we do not know that that is where they

1225
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,640
are going to go and they may go nowhere.

1226
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,680
We really simply do not know. My hope is

1227
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,000
that when Parliament when the House at

1228
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,040
Queens Park returns uh that we will very

1229
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,079
quickly be given some draft regulations

1230
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,200
to see and get a better understanding as

1231
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,839
to where the Ontario government will go.

1232
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:02,319
But rest assured, I think planning staff

1233
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,480
can say with great certainty that we

1234
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,079
appreciate how important these

1235
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,079
um additional refinements to our

1236
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,240
official plan are not only for people in

1237
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,160
Port Sever, but to people in the

1238
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,480
waterfront communities on Georgia Bay,

1239
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,119
to people in the waterfront communities

1240
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,800
community around six mile lake. And

1241
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,200
I don't want to go to a place yet where

1242
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,839
we have to look at how do we how do we

1243
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:31,040
make this fit the structure we've been

1244
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,079
given so far because I'm hopeful that

1245
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,680
something is still to come. But we will

1246
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,480
as staff explore whatever we need to

1247
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,000
explore to make sure that those policies

1248
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,960
come forward are reviewed are updated.

1249
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,960
So again, I think one of the topics is

1250
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,599
that Port 7 village center and I think

1251
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,480
it was great to hear from from uh MHPC

1252
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,400
representing the developer of one of

1253
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,520
those lands. Um, it's great to hear from

1254
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,160
you and I hope we can bring everyone

1255
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,040
together throughout this process to

1256
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,760
discuss that in a way that will truly

1257
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,800
achieve what what this community has for

1258
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,760
so long hoped would be achieved for the

1259
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,920
Port Sever Village Center.

1260
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,839
>> Well, please keep us posted on how we

1261
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:20,800
can help.

1262
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,680
>> Well, again, um, send me a quick email

1263
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,440
just saying you want to help and be

1264
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,839
involved and I'll I'll keep you

1265
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:30,000
involved. You will get the email this

1266
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:30,720
afternoon, sir.

1267
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,640
>> Great. Okay. Um, thank you,

1268
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,200
>> Director Whit. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Yeah,

1269
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,960
further to what what Jeff said that that

1270
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,319
master plan, those urban design

1271
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:39,920
guidelines that sounds like you were

1272
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,480
very much involved in um or or or

1273
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,240
followed are are very much something

1274
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:47,680
that from our standpoint so far, um, we

1275
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,760
have every intention of keeping. We

1276
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,440
certainly want to look at them to ensure

1277
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,200
that the policies are still current and if there's anything that needs

1278
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,799
updating or improving, that that's

1279
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,520
great. But um um Jeff mentioned, you

1280
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,040
know, there's sort of two components to

1281
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,079
seeing these things come to realization.

1282
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,400
There's those elements that are within

1283
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,079
the the public realm, the government

1284
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,200
realm, road improvements and and

1285
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,280
initiatives like some, you know, the

1286
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,960
work that's been done with the Brassette

1287
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,839
House, etc. Um and then there's the

1288
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:20,400
responsibility that we as as planners

1289
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,119
and and by extension council have in

1290
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,599
seeing that as private sector

1291
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,079
development proposals come forward um

1292
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,359
ensuring that those development

1293
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,000
proposals align with that master plan

1294
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,880
process to see that vision realized.

1295
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,880
Right? So we're we're um everything

1296
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,280
we're seeing and hearing so far tells us

1297
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,319
that the community will want to keep um

1298
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,200
those policies and keep that vision. If

1299
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,400
we hear differently through this

1300
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,799
process, we'll adjust. But um so far I

1301
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:50,480
think um that's a track we want to

1302
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,920
maintain.

1303
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,079
>> I would further add just as an oldtimer

1304
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,559
in the area. If you go past the car wash

1305
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,480
in Fort Sein, you'll notice the facade

1306
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,319
on the building. The facade on the

1307
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:02,960
building was created all those years ago

1308
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,880
because of the fact that we were

1309
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,599
anticipating this this village uh being

1310
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:13,040
constructed in

1311
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,359
>> patience is virtue. I suppose.

1312
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:15,839
>> Thank you,

1313
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,799
>> Councelor Bochek.

1314
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,160
>> Thank Thank you and through you, Mayor.

1315
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,720
Um, thanks for coming in, uh, Miss EMTT,

1316
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,799
this morning. Um, one of the questions

1317
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:26,880
that you asked that perhaps, um, the

1318
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,799
planners in the township didn't answer

1319
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:30,880
or couldn't answer is affordable

1320
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,040
housing. You asked about affordable

1321
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,119
housing. Affordable housing has been

1322
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,280
being uh, handled by the district of

1323
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,599
Msoka for the most part. and um not only

1324
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,160
affordable housing but um transitional

1325
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,960
housing and subsidized housing. But the

1326
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,520
most important part is for development

1327
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,920
where development belongs.

1328
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,920
They've located a couple of locations

1329
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,680
within the township that could be uh a

1330
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,480
place where affordable housing um would

1331
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,839
land, but I can assure you it would not

1332
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:07,920
have anything to do with the waterfront, properties, anything such as

1333
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,119
that. um the locations will be where

1334
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:13,680
affordable housing should be. So that's

1335
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,119
something that's ongoing at the district

1336
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,839
of Mskoka. I doubt it'll be solved this

1337
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,319
term, but it's been an ongoing

1338
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:21,920
discussion for quite some time at

1339
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,680
district.

1340
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,920
>> My greatest concern is the fact that we

1341
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,680
are losing people from our community,

1342
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,040
people that have are from families that

1343
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,440
have been here for generations and we're

1344
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,200
losing them because we can't we can't

1345
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,599
properly accommodate them. Sure, I

1346
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,440
understand that. And um our planning

1347
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,000
department can uh work with you. There

1348
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,680
has been a lot of changes where you can

1349
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,319
have second residence uh in your home.

1350
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,160
You can apply for a second residence.

1351
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,520
And not only that, but if your

1352
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,079
property's big enough, then you could be able to put a second

1353
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,640
residence on that property with a

1354
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,520
separate septic system as well. So, um I

1355
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,960
suggest you reach out to the planning

1356
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,720
department, get the details on that as

1357
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,319
well, too. that's in the planning

1358
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:06,720
stages. So, it it may help out with

1359
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,160
>> Just to be clear, I'm not looking at

1360
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,480
this for me. I'm I work at the food bank

1361
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and there are a number of clients who

1362
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,839
come and they're being evicted from

1363
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,160
their from their homes and they can't

1364
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,520
stay here because there's no place for

1365
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,319
them to live.

1366
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:18,960
>> Sure. Absolutely.

1367
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,880
>> That's that's more my particular

1368
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,559
concern. Although, I do appreciate the

1369
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,599
fact that there is that second residence

1370
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,920
opportunity too, which I think is is

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,720
helpful.

1372
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,079
>> Anyway, thank you for your time.

1373
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,359
>> Thank you, Councelor Grociano.

1374
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:36,480
Thank you and to you, Mayor. Um, Miss

1375
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,839
EMTT brings a valid point to the table

1376
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,640
given that we are effectively reviewing

1377
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:47,200
our social plan and uh undergoing a a

1378
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,760
review and exercise of this um and given

1379
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,359
the mandate and and the focus and

1380
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,359
attention that affordable housing has

1381
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:58,000
had not only proincially uh at the

1382
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,400
district level uh as well as uh within

1383
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,440
our council. Uh a question to our our

1384
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,079
planning team. Is there a way to codify

1385
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,359
future development requirements? Can we

1386
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,920
as a municipality uh when a developer

1387
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,200
comes to our uh council requesting

1388
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,240
development uh uh rights and and the

1389
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,040
ability to develop, can we ask them or

1390
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,119
mandate them to have a minimum of 10% of

1391
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,359
their development allocated to you know

1392
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:28,799
uh affordable housing based on uh you

1393
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:30,720
know maybe some of the larger urban area

1394
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,880
definitions such as um 10% lower than uh

1395
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,920
retail andor current market value. So,

1396
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,520
is there a way that we can kind of

1397
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,799
codify this uh into our uh our official

1398
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:45,359
plan and uh to ensure that uh future

1399
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,599
developers can and will develop

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01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,702
affordable housing as they develop. The

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01:00:49,702 --> 01:00:51,280
[snorts] other piece of this is um I

1402
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,559
want to thank everyone who's brought

1403
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,720
forward uh you know their their concerns

1404
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,240
with regards to the environmental

1405
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,400
impacts and and the ability for us to

1406
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,799
tighten things up on the environmental

1407
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:05,520
side. Uh for as many of you know, I'm very uh very concerned with the

1408
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,040
water quality within our municipality

1409
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,359
and want to maintain and preserve and uh

1410
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:12,880
if if can uh make our water better. Uh,

1411
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,799
and if there's ways that we can

1412
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:16,480
collectively here as council support

1413
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,920
that um that mandate, uh, I'd very much

1414
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,000
be interested in in hearing more about

1415
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,680
what our planning department and our

1416
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,880
planning team can do to ensure that uh,

1417
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,920
as we kind of review and amend and

1418
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,040
update uh, that we make things much more

1419
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,680
stronger in that uh, in that uh, respect

1420
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,599
as well. So overdoor planning with

1421
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,000
regards to the ability to mandate a

1422
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,240
developer in future developments to

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,680
include a percentage of their

1424
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,559
development uh as low-income housing. Is

1425
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,960
it possible? Thank you.

1426
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,880
>> So my quick answer right now is is it

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01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,200
possible today? No. Uh our current

1428
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,839
official plan

1429
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:59,599
has very sparse housing policies and it

1430
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:01,520
that is why it's one of the identified

1431
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,640
preliminary issues. uh the answer as to

1432
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,359
where we go. I think this is really too

1433
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:09,920
early to give, but certainly uh

1434
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,640
councelor Graciano's and other comments

1435
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,280
here today are going to be a part of the

1436
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,760
record. And again, we're hoping to have

1437
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,480
working groups focused on those topical

1438
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,520
areas and people who indicate interest

1439
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,319
in an area might be invited to join a

1440
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:30,000
working group. Um because yes, we we do

1441
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,880
very much want to improve our official

1442
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,160
plan in those topical areas that we've

1443
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,160
identified

1444
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,079
and that includes the environment.

1445
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,960
>> Thank you. Um Director Whit,

1446
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,640
>> thank you Mr. Mayor and and further to

1447
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,480
that that point and thank you councelor

1448
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,880
Gratziano. Um I I think what you might

1449
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,520
be touching on is the notion of what in

1450
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,200
planning terms is referred to as

1451
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,440
inclusionary zoning. That's something as

1452
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,799
Jeff mentioned we don't have in our

1453
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,079
official plan now and that's where

1454
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,799
municipalities uh can prescribe you know

1455
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:02,960
a certain percentage 5% for example

1456
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,680
affordable housing in a development um

1457
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,359
we could you know you you can really

1458
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:13,440
drill down into this um and and much um is talked about in terms of what what

1459
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,280
how is affordable housing defined right

1460
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,440
what price point what what um um format

1461
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,079
of housing or or ownership etc so those

1462
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,119
are all things we're happy to

1463
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,039
investigate through this process It's

1464
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:26,480
not the first time we've heard that

1465
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,599
comment already. Um and it's certainly

1466
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:33,119
important as we've heard um you know to

1467
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,920
provide housing options for people um

1468
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,160
starting out in this community. Um also

1469
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,599
for people who have been in this

1470
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,000
community a long time and want to remain

1471
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
in the community and age in place as

1472
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,079
they say. So appreciate the comment and

1473
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:47,440
it's something we're definitely going to

1474
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,640
look into.

1475
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,839
>> We have some work to do but thank you

1476
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:52,400
very much.

1477
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,640
back to our audience.

1478
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:04,470
Please come forward.

1479
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,720
Good morning. Uh Don Connor, 109

1480
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,799
Hillside Drive. I was wondering if

1481
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:10,880
there's anything in the development uh

1482
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,799
program to deal with the vacant lots

1483
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:14,640
that are on Hillside Drive, which I

1484
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,920
think was supposed to be called phase

1485
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:22,150
two or something.

1486
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,599
Thank you. Um through the mayor. Um so

1487
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,400
the the current policy framework um

1488
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,760
probably for that area won't change.

1489
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,839
It's designated residential. All the

1490
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:33,520
policies are there to allow for that

1491
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,799
development um to fully realize itself.

1492
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:38,480
Um if [clears throat] if you're if I may

1493
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,079
ask if are you one of the land owners on

1494
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,640
Hillside Drive? Um okay. So the township

1495
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,559
has reached out to the owners of all

1496
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,760
those properties in phase 2 and with um

1497
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,200
a proposal um providing options um for

1498
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,359
land owners to either participate in a

1499
01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:56,079
process to see the completion of phase 2

1500
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,240
and the intent would be to see phase 2

1501
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,839
completed just as phase one is um open

1502
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:05,839
ditches um individual well septic etc.

1503
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:08,079
Um and the township is also in in that

1504
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,559
outreach afforded um uh the opportunity

1505
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,799
for people who may be interested in

1506
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:15,119
selling their lots um to the township.

1507
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,960
Um we would also consider that as well.

1508
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,440
So it's very current. It's very active

1509
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,680
right now. We're looking to essentially

1510
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,960
step in um as the municipality and work

1511
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,160
with the land owners um of those lots to

1512
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,960
see phase 2 completed and and to the

1513
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,920
same standard that phase one is.

1514
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,000
>> Okay. And just a follow-up question, if

1515
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,400
the municipality buys them, what would

1516
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,000
be their intention to do with it?

1517
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,680
>> So, it would certain just allow the

1518
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,160
municipality to um control those lots

1519
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,319
and see them ultimately develop. We

1520
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:49,520
don't we don't wish to become a

1521
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,280
developer. We don't wish to put

1522
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,520
municipal facilities on them. The the

1523
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,160
intent would be for those um just to

1524
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,920
provide an option for those land owners

1525
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,960
who want out and and don't want to

1526
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,839
participate um financially in seeing

1527
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:06,160
phase 2 completed, then the then the

1528
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,319
township would consider um stepping in

1529
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:10,799
and ultimately seeing those lots um back

1530
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,799
on the market. But in the interim, the

1531
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:15,280
township may acquire them. Um this is

1532
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,640
all subject to budgets, etc. Um but the

1533
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,720
formal reach out in writing has been

1534
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,280
made to all the land owners. Okay. Thank

1535
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,880
you.

1536
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,589
>> Thank you.

1537
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:39,109
» Sure. Please come on forward.

1538
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:41,599
» Uh good morning mayor and council and

1539
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:44,160
residents of uh Georgian Bay Township.

1540
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,319
My name is Monica Bovette. I'm a public

1541
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,319
health nurse with the Senoma Muscoa

1542
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:50,880
District Health Unit. I live at 62 here

1543
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,039
on woods in Oro Madante, but I've been

1544
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,920
working in the township of Georgian Bay

1545
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,960
with u members of staff with uh

1546
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,920
community groups uh for the past three

1547
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:07,520
years. So in my role, I work with um mo

1548
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,200
yearround residents and those uh people

1549
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,359
uh living in poverty or living in the

1550
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:18,880
lower income brackets in the region. And

1551
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,039
the way that the health unit involves

1552
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,319
itself with municipalities across Mskoka

1553
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:27,520
is that we ask for the opportunity to

1554
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,960
apply our to our assessment tools with

1555
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,480
the um proposals, the changes in the uh

1556
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,400
official plan and also the existing

1557
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,880
official plan for look for opportunities

1558
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,599
to comment on where healthy public

1559
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,720
policy intersects with planning policy

1560
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,640
and also the human health impacts of um

1561
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,200
decisions related to economic

1562
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,880
development um environmental pressures

1563
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,359
and um the livability of the spaces. So

1564
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:02,160
I specifically in my role with community

1565
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,000
groups focus on the increasing

1566
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,440
um inability of residents to be able to

1567
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,839
own a personal vehicle or have access to

1568
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,680
a personal vehicle. So looking for

1569
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,520
opportunities to make the community um

1570
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,719
accessible for those and for younger um

1571
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:23,759
teens again as um Miss EMTT mentioned

1572
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:26,480
about um having people stay in the

1573
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:29,120
community. So having opportunities for

1574
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,400
within those families when youth become

1575
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,359
at an eligible age that they can work um

1576
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,239
that they have local work available and

1577
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,359
they can get to that job safely uh

1578
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,159
without maybe access to a vehicle. The

1579
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,880
second area I focus on is food access.

1580
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,600
also in relation to planning looking at

1581
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,159
where and this will probably come in the

1582
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,279
site plans and it's it's I have read

1583
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:58,400
bill 98 it's still unclear when we look

1584
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,239
at food systems and agricultural um

1585
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,040
commenting where people would be able to

1586
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,080
grow food where they're able to sell

1587
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,799
food and where they're able to buy food

1588
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:13,759
and then also looking in relation to

1589
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:19,199
housing um the idea that was brought forth by the planner earlier

1590
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,480
looking for mixed use residential, how

1591
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,520
to overlap maybe commercial enterprise

1592
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,679
with um residential units. So mix zoning

1593
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:32,319
um and in the translation of the bylaws

1594
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,040
looking at those opportunities

1595
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,679
um for some creative ways to help feed

1596
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:44,239
and house people that um in all honesty

1597
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,719
a lot of the time are invisible because

1598
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:51,120
of the focus on um all of the wonderful

1599
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,080
things that Georgian Bay has to offer uh

1600
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,560
the affluent uh portions of our

1601
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,880
communities. So I just wanted to raise

1602
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,480
that um we do and my question would be

1603
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,199
when or where would there be

1604
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:09,360
opportunities for myself and uh other

1605
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,440
members of the health unit because I do

1606
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,760
have support both from our environmental

1607
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,080
health division and um from our um our

1608
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,640
other our um healthy growth and

1609
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,760
development uh specialists as well. So,

1610
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,520
I'm just wondering where there might be

1611
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,880
an opportunity for comment and then also

1612
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,360
receiving a report from the health unit

1613
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,600
when we've had an opportunity to do kind

1614
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,880
of a line by line review of um any

1615
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,040
documents that the township's producing.

1616
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,280
>> So, again, I I very much appreciate

1617
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,800
that. Um and hopefully you will be

1618
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,840
interested in participating as much as

1619
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,800
we can make you um uh rely upon you. We

1620
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,640
are very interested in this part. This

1621
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,800
is one of the topics that we've

1622
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,600
identified and and I would say that my

1623
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,840
name is Jeff Katr. My email address is

1624
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:04,640
in the notice.

1625
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,400
>> Okay. But there's also a business card

1626
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,719
at the front on the on your way out and

1627
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:11,440
please just send me a quick email of

1628
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,600
offering to participate in a working

1629
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,679
group and uh we're putting together

1630
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:16,800
lists.

1631
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,080
>> Okay. And yeah, as I said, it's um I

1632
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,239
have those two focus areas. It's a

1633
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,360
little bit um difficult for me sometimes

1634
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,159
to do some of the translation of where I

1635
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:29,920
would best fit. So, that's kind of why

1636
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,480
I've described my scope of practice and

1637
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,640
then hoping that you can help me

1638
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,960
navigate some of that uh planning

1639
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,120
language and um we could talk about

1640
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,400
where I might might best be able to give

1641
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:43,840
that feedback.

1642
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,440
>> Well, again, we haven't yet identified

1643
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:46,719
health as an issue.

1644
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:47,120
>> Okay.

1645
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,040
>> But maybe it is.

1646
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,800
>> Uh yes, it I would like [laughter] to

1647
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,159
say it definitely is. um because we're

1648
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,400
you know again I understand and I think

1649
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,320
it's very important the um the emphasis

1650
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,679
on environmental health but it's really

1651
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:05,760
you know environmental health is linked

1652
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,360
to human health and uh humans are

1653
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,840
causing the the environmental problems

1654
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,719
so I think also looking at you know

1655
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:17,199
developing in a environmentally

1656
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:20,560
responsible way but also a way that um

1657
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,360
has both physical and mental al health

1658
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,480
um benefits rather than is uh is

1659
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:29,280
detrimental to the humans that make up

1660
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,440
our places.

1661
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,440
>> Well, and again very quickly, I think my

1662
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:34,880
answer to you would be there's a couple

1663
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,719
of topics already that exist. One

1664
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:40,080
obviously housing. um the other uh

1665
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,320
perhaps uh both the Port Sever and and

1666
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,719
McTar uh urban areas, but it won't be up

1667
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:48,960
to planning staff to decide to adjust

1668
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,120
the topics, but it will be my

1669
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,199
responsibility to bring a report to

1670
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:57,040
council sometime soon uh with what we

1671
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,239
heard today and suggestions. And again,

1672
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:02,719
I very much appreciate your input and

1673
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,800
very much hope you do send me an email

1674
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,840
so that I can enlist you in

1675
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,239
opportunities to participate.

1676
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:11,760
>> No problem. Thank you very much for the

1677
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,040
opportunity. Thank you, Mary.

1678
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,800
>> If I can take this opportunity to ask

1679
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,040
that you and anybody else who hasn't did

1680
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,880
not sign the list, please do so.

1681
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,000
>> Sure.

1682
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,719
>> That way, uh, our clerk will be feeling

1683
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:23,840
a little better that she's got

1684
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,360
everything under control.

1685
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,760
>> Okay. [sighs] Thank you so much.

1686
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,320
>> Thank you very much. Um,

1687
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,719
councelor Bochek,

1688
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:34,400
thank you and through your mayor. Um,

1689
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:35,920
and thank you Monica for the

1690
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,520
presentation. Very informative. Um, I

1691
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,840
would like you to send me as well uh the

1692
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,960
first part um of your presentation to do

1693
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,679
with uh health health care that you do

1694
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:51,679
between uh Moonstone or Simco County and

1695
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:53,920
Township of Georgian Bay. just give me a

1696
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,640
better idea of of what you do and what

1697
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,440
the issues are that you find. Um I

1698
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,360
happen to sit on the on the health

1699
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,159
committee um health services committee

1700
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,239
at the district of mscoa which is where

1701
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,880
we talk about these things

1702
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,560
and then if there's something of merit

1703
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,199
or something we can do we bring it up at

1704
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,920
the second tier level um and present it

1705
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,520
to council. So um we do have a member of

1706
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,440
our council that sits on the simple

1707
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,000
mscoa health unit

1708
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:29,679
um Sandy Karens which I will speak to her

1709
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:32,320
as well too. But uh once you give me

1710
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,120
that information just a short uh a note

1711
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,800
I will take it to the health services

1712
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,040
committee see if I can escalate it up to

1713
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,360
the council kind of at the end of this

1714
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,199
term of council. There's only a couple

1715
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:46,880
months left. So, um,

1716
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,719
working on this and getting it to the

1717
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:50,480
stage where it goes in front of council

1718
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:52,719
maybe in the next term, but we'll start

1719
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:55,199
the ball rolling and then district can

1720
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,600
come back to our planning department and

1721
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,920
inform them if there's any needs they

1722
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:01,760
need from the township to to carry

1723
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,520
forward. So, I think we have a pretty

1724
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,080
good uh look at it.

1725
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,719
>> Sure. Maybe I can just comment that I've

1726
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:12,080
already um submitted comments to the uh

1727
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,440
through the health unit um for the

1728
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,120
district's official plan and the

1729
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,040
district's uh transportation master

1730
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:19,760
plan.

1731
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,120
>> Excellent. Thank you.

1732
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,360
>> Thank you. Um

1733
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,350
anyone else,

1734
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:36,310
» Mr. Kasakus?

1735
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,000
Good morning, council. My name is Artha

1736
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,760
Kstacos. I'm a property owner on

1737
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,080
Hillside Drive. Um, Hillside phase 2 is

1738
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,400
of interest to me, but uh my property um

1739
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,880
my eastern border abuts the Port Severn

1740
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,000
Heights development.

1741
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,520
um

1742
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,159
that was supposed to include a mix of

1743
01:15:58,159 --> 01:15:59,840
housing which I think would have

1744
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,800
included some definition of affordable

1745
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,800
housing.

1746
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:10,000
It's 15 years old or or more. Uh my

1747
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,880
question

1748
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:11,440
>> sorry

1749
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:14,960
>> 20 years old. Um,

1750
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,000
>> yep. When I ask people, particularly in

1751
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,080
the township, uh, official capacities,

1752
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,920
why is there no development there in 20

1753
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:28,159
years? They smile and laugh.

1754
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,280
And I'm wondering how come we have an

1755
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,040
approved

1756
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,640
um

1757
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,480
area for I think it was 375

1758
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,080
multi-

1759
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,280
uh dwelling complex of some kind. But

1760
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:43,760
all

1761
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,120
>> your honor, I'm going to have to declare

1762
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,640
a conflict of interest.

1763
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,239
>> Thank you.

1764
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:51,840
>> So my my question is

1765
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,560
why do we have one huge property that's

1766
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,320
been approved for so long? And I give

1767
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,280
one context. At one point the property

1768
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,400
was clearcut and I approached uh well

1769
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,880
councelor Bochek at the time and I asked

1770
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,280
him well what's going on there and he

1771
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,040
didn't know and he approached council

1772
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,280
and everyone had forgotten that they had

1773
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,280
received approval to do that six years

1774
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,000
prior and they were doing something that

1775
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,320
they were approved to do but it had been

1776
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,880
so long nobody could remember that they

1777
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,320
actually had permission to do so.

1778
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,719
>> Um the I I can give you a partial

1779
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:27,360
answer. One is it's privately owned and

1780
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,280
there's only so much we can do with a

1781
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,719
developer who owns a property and

1782
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:32,320
doesn't do anything with it. And two,

1783
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:33,840
it's actually in front of district

1784
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,800
council staff right now.

1785
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,520
>> Okay. So, that would be it is how how

1786
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,760
can something that's so in it's it's

1787
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,920
close. It's right next to where it needs

1788
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,840
to be. It has a commercial front end. I

1789
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,239
believe it started with a a golf course

1790
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:50,480
at the top which would have shared a

1791
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:53,840
border with my property. Um,

1792
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,239
how can we get that project through this

1793
01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,719
process uh to the next phase? How do we

1794
01:17:58,719 --> 01:17:59,520
get it going?

1795
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:00,719
>> One one of the things that we've learned

1796
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:02,719
the hard way, we mean municipalities

1797
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:05,679
writ large, not just ours, is that when

1798
01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:07,920
we give planning approvals now, we put

1799
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,159
deadlines on them. They never used to do

1800
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:13,520
that. And uh in this particular project,

1801
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,080
uh the the approvals are being I I

1802
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,080
believe will end up being updated with a

1803
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,120
deadline.

1804
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:27,270
>> Great. Thank you very much.

1805
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:34,070
Anyone else?

1806
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,040
» Oh, sorry. One minute.

1807
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:49,830
>> Okay.

1808
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,040
Go ahead, please.

1809
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,600
>> Okay. Um, good morning to the mayor, the

1810
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,920
clerk, counselors, planning staff, and

1811
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,640
the audience. Um, I'd firstly like to

1812
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,880
thank you guys for inviting Woxing First

1813
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,120
Nation um, to engage on this official

1814
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,520
plan. Um, all in all, we'd like to

1815
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,360
understand how indigenous communities,

1816
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,040
including with socks and first nation,

1817
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,800
will be directly involved in developing

1818
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,120
the indigenous engagement chapter and

1819
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:14,560
other policies that will affect our

1820
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,719
rights, lands, waters, and um, interests

1821
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:18,880
throughout the review. Um, I have a few

1822
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,480
questions. I have a lot of questions,

1823
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:23,280
but um, I'll talk to Mr. Kraki after the

1824
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,960
meeting about my other questions, so I'm

1825
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,000
not here all day. Um but my first

1826
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,080
question that I'm proposing on behalf of

1827
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,320
Woxing would be um which indigenous

1828
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,320
communities has the township identified

1829
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,159
for the direct engagement of the

1830
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:37,840
official planner view and how were those

1831
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,830
determinations made?

1832
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,120
» So thank you for that question. Um, the

1833
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,000
District of Muskoka has what's referred

1834
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:52,000
to as Malt, which is a a relationship

1835
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,480
that's been developed over I'm going to

1836
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:57,679
say a decade or so with a number of

1837
01:19:57,679 --> 01:19:59,120
>> seven years.

1838
01:19:59,120 --> 01:19:59,440
>> Okay.

1839
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:00,719
>> Seven and a half years,

1840
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:04,560
>> almost a decade. Um, with a number of uh

1841
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,080
First Nations um as well as the Mi

1842
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,920
Nation of Ontario. Um,

1843
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,159
your First Nation has indicated

1844
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:20,320
previously interest and I uncertain why

1845
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,640
you have not yet, I believe, been

1846
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,679
invited to that table. Um, but certainly

1847
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:30,400
the Township of Georgian Bay responds to

1848
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,040
all indigenous communities that may be

1849
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:34,640
interested in our official plan and

1850
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,360
we're not going to limit limit it by any

1851
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,679
stretch of the imagination.

1852
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:42,239
So far we've done direct outreach um to

1853
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:46,800
the Boseley First Nation uh to the um

1854
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,719
Kiran Wend

1855
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:53,360
to the Matei Nation to Mustier Point to

1856
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:59,280
Rama to Shanaga to Wata and to yourself.

1857
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,480
But again that was um based upon the

1858
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:04,880
interest that we had previously received

1859
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,679
from you in matters in Georgian Bay

1860
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:10,960
Township. Um, and again, if there's a a

1861
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,040
first if there's a First Nation or an

1862
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,280
indigenous community that's been left

1863
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,360
off of our list, if they're watching,

1864
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,560
listening, um, we would be very happy to

1865
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,159
include them as well.

1866
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:24,320
>> Yeah, I was going to follow up. If um,

1867
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,400
we did have nations to suggest, is that

1868
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,920
something that we could suggest and you

1869
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,280
guys could follow up with?

1870
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:29,840
>> Yes.

1871
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,480
>> Perfect. Um, apologies. I also forgot to

1872
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:35,440
introduce myself as much as I practice

1873
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:37,840
what to say before I came up here. But

1874
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,080
um my name is Lily Edmonds and I'm the

1875
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,920
community consultation coordinator with

1876
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,679
Woxing First Nation. Um I will propose

1877
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:48,640
another question. Um, I wanted to know

1878
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,400
if the township was considering

1879
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,719
identifying and recognizing within the

1880
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:55,360
official plan the indigenous communities

1881
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,280
um of which traditional territories,

1882
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,199
treaty rights, and ongoing relations

1883
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,040
extend to the lands and waters covered

1884
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,679
by the plan.

1885
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:07,280
>> So again, if you can help me with that,

1886
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,600
much appreciated. Again, we want to be

1887
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,880
as inclusive as we can be. Um the list

1888
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,800
so far is by no way the end necessarily.

1889
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,800
It's the starting point.

1890
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,560
>> Perfect. I apologize if some of my

1891
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,080
questions are more preliminary. Um I'll

1892
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,159
propose um one last question. Um because

1893
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:30,080
the notice says that the submissions

1894
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,239
become part of the public record. um

1895
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,480
what processes will protect confidential

1896
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:39,120
indigenous knowledge, culturally sensitive information and um

1897
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,120
information concerning significant sites

1898
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,120
that indigenous communities may provide.

1899
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,120
>> That too is an excellent question and I

1900
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,840
do not have a quick answer for you. Um

1901
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,360
and I would greatly appreciate um some

1902
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,639
time to consider it and get back to you

1903
01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:57,679
by email.

1904
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,120
>> Of course. Apologies again if the

1905
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,280
questions are very preliminary. No, your

1906
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,040
questions are excellent and I very much

1907
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,719
appreciate them. I think there's one

1908
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:06,719
answer that I didn't give you and that

1909
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,800
is again

1910
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,920
we are going to rely upon indigenous

1911
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,800
communities as much as they are willing

1912
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:19,040
to participate to help us to learn not

1913
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,679
only about each community but also to

1914
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:26,320
learn much more about how we can engage

1915
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,480
you because I think the difference

1916
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:31,440
between what we're being asked to do in

1917
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,520
this new official plan versus what we've

1918
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,159
done in the past is that in the past

1919
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:41,280
you've received public notice after public notice

1920
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,400
frequently with very very short time

1921
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,440
frames for a response and you receive

1922
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,280
those not just from our municipality I'm

1923
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,040
sure you receive them from many

1924
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:52,400
>> definitely a

1925
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,960
>> and so what we're I think being asked to

1926
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,800
do by our council and by the province is

1927
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,159
to find a better way to engage the

1928
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:03,840
indigenous communities

1929
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,520
And do I know what that better way is?

1930
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,480
Absolutely not. No idea. Looking forward

1931
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,880
to talking about it with as many people

1932
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,920
as we can discuss it. Um and again, it's

1933
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,199
going to be crucial that that it works

1934
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:21,440
for each indigenous community. So, does

1935
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:25,840
it have to be one way? No, I don't think

1936
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,560
so. So if one indigenous community needs

1937
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,880
engagement through one method and

1938
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,679
another needs it through another method,

1939
01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:38,080
I don't see that as an issue.

1940
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,480
>> Perfect. I appreciate your honesty and

1941
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:43,360
transparency. Um and so appreciates

1942
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,040
being engaged in this meeting and having

1943
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,440
the opportunity to contribute to this

1944
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,679
review. And um I'll last you with more

1945
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:51,520
questions after this meeting.

1946
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:52,159
>> Great.

1947
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:53,280
>> Thank you everyone.

1948
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:54,719
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate you

1949
01:24:54,719 --> 01:25:00,870
coming. Anyone

1950
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:08,709
else?

1951
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:10,880
And nobody online has raised their hand.

1952
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,199
And I'm going to yet again to all those

1953
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:16,080
viewing online that signed up, if you

1954
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,600
want to say anything, please raise your

1955
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,840
hand or do something to indicate to us

1956
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:27,750
that uh you want to be moved over. Um,

1957
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,669
all right.

1958
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:33,840
Should I do that going once, going twice

1959
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,880
thing? But the good news is if you don't

1960
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,719
speak now, you're more than welcome to

1961
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:41,440
speak later. And councelor Boche, did

1962
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:42,560
you want to add something?

1963
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:47,760
>> Yes. Um, thank you. and through your worship. Um, a couple of questions

1964
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,280
to our planning department just for

1965
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,520
clarity on topics that have been brought

1966
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,159
up here today and some that you uh

1967
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:55,679
referred to in the beginning of your

1968
01:25:55,679 --> 01:26:00,880
report. Port Southern Town Center, um,

1969
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,880
that's kind of a hard one because Port

1970
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,639
Sver, my Port Severign is Tay Township,

1971
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:08,480
Sever Township, and Georgia Bay

1972
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:12,080
Township. That's my Port Sever. Um, and

1973
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,280
I'm wondering if we're going to be

1974
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,719
reaching out to those other two

1975
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:18,159
townships to see if there's some sort of

1976
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,639
relationship we can spawn on on

1977
01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:24,320
bettering uh the village of Port Severn

1978
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,320
inclusively with those other townships.

1979
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,080
So, that's something I'd like you to

1980
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,639
follow if you could. We talked earlier

1981
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:34,639
about the u the water levels and the

1982
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:36,400
flooding and how that pertains to the

1983
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,920
planning department. Um that's a hard

1984
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,960
one. Um between the MSCOA wershed, the

1985
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,239
integrated watershed and SSEA, they look

1986
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:50,480
at those trends. And I don't know a lot

1987
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,480
of people know that Georgian Bay has a

1988
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,199
17 foot swing. In other words, it can

1989
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:58,400
rise and fall that far depending on

1990
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,480
winds and that type of thing. So that

1991
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,719
needs to be uh looked at very very

1992
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:08,870
closely. And my last point, um,

1993
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:13,360
our premier, Mr. Ford, said, "Build more

1994
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,920
homes faster."

1995
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,239
My question to you is where it's

1996
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,000
applicable.

1997
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,600
Why aren't we or why can't we reduce the

1998
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,880
amount of restrictions and bylaws put

1999
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,880
into place? I mean, we're looking at

2000
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,960
adding bylaws here and making bylaws to

2001
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,800
better our township.

2002
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,400
um can we can we look at reducing some

2003
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,400
of the restrictions in the planning

2004
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,800
department so um housing can be built in

2005
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,400
land in in the proper locations um I

2006
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,760
think it's very important and I think

2007
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,320
our rules are far too strong um and we

2008
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:55,440
need to soften them or reook at them and find out better ways that we can

2009
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:58,320
help people develop inland and that's

2010
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,639
just my comments and I have the

2011
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:02,480
fortunate

2012
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:04,320
ability to walk into your office and

2013
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,159
talk to you about it. So, we will take

2014
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,800
this up um together. I don't think we

2015
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,360
need to delve too far into it unless you

2016
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,120
have something you want to add.

2017
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,960
>> No, I was just going to say that my

2018
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,960
answer would be yes, yes, and yes. All

2019
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,560
of those are important matters. Um and

2020
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,320
they are definitely within the topics

2021
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,880
that we've identified so far for this

2022
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,080
review and update. Where we will end up,

2023
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,840
I cannot begin to imagine yet.

2024
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Thank you. Um, does any other counselor

2025
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,639
wish to add any remarks at this point?

2026
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,159
I mean, this will be an ongoing process

2027
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:43,120
that we all understand, but uh,

2028
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,440
member or councelor Jarvis.

2029
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:51,750
>> Yes, you may. Um,

2030
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,159
yeah, I just want to bring something to

2031
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:56,320
Plan's attention. I think it's probably

2032
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,960
already on the list of things, but um in

2033
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,320
my mind, words matter and words are

2034
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:03,600
extremely important when it comes to

2035
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,719
planning. Um words such as shall and

2036
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:10,800
shall not have specific um meanings

2037
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,239
within the planning documents. And at

2038
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:18,400
times um uh over my time on council I

2039
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,199
found significant conflict between words

2040
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:24,960
that are in the planning document and then how they are

2041
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,480
interpreted in um planning applications

2042
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,360
and approvals which can be a little

2043
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,719
distracting at times. Um, I I realize

2044
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:36,800
that bill 98 is going to complicate

2045
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,600
things with regards to how we word our

2046
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,440
documentation,

2047
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:45,600
but within our planning section A2.2.6

2048
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,280
is a very uh concerning statement um

2049
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,960
that I would really like us to try and

2050
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:57,760
um address within the

2051
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,280
review as it comes forward. Um and that

2052
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,600
do that specific the paragraph within

2053
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,080
2.2.6

2054
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,080
fundamentally and and Bill you may be

2055
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,120
aware of this you may not it it tends to

2056
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,000
remove the uh necessity to address the

2057
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,360
words within the planning document

2058
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,520
itself. So shall and shall not all of a

2059
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,159
sudden become moot when you read that

2060
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,080
paragraph or in my mind it does. And I

2061
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,480
think we need to address that and any

2062
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:30,880
other sections that um reduce

2063
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,120
uh the intent of uh of what we've got

2064
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,000
going on in planning.

2065
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,960
So, I think I'm going to say that the

2066
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,639
terms of reference that council has

2067
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:46,719
given us for this official plan review,

2068
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:48,400
which will also be carried forward into

2069
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,800
the zoning bylaw review because it was

2070
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,000
originally intended, of course, to

2071
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,400
happen as one, but we can't do that now

2072
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,960
because we're doing a new official plan.

2073
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,080
But the intention was to always ensure

2074
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,320
uh the integration of those documents.

2075
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:06,159
And I think I I I I understand the

2076
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,639
problem you've highlighted to really be

2077
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:11,440
more about the lack of integration

2078
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:14,560
oftent times between our official plan

2079
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,520
and our zoning bylaw. We have some

2080
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,719
really interesting anomalies. Um we've

2081
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:22,000
talked about Port Southern Village

2082
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,360
Center a lot today. We have a village

2083
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,840
center plan that identifies it very

2084
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,000
clearly as to what it's supposed to be.

2085
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,480
Yet then we have designations within the

2086
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,080
schedule of our official plan dealing

2087
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,440
with the port 7 urban area which do not

2088
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:40,800
follow through with that plan. And then

2089
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,360
worse yet, we have zones

2090
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:47,360
on land which again do not implement

2091
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:51,199
what was planned by this council and

2092
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,840
previous councils. And I think that one

2093
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,679
of the key things we will be doing that

2094
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:57,199
isn't a topic because it's an

2095
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:00,159
overarching term of reference is making

2096
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:01,760
sure at the end of the day that yes,

2097
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,080
language does matter.

2098
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,760
But I would also say as a planner my

2099
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,520
bias is that we not try and have few

2100
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,480
zoning bylaws. I think the official plan

2101
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:17,360
needs to lead the zoning bylaw with

2102
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,199
policies

2103
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,800
and those policies then implement

2104
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,600
through the zoning bylaw, which is where

2105
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,719
you would typically use shall [snorts]

2106
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:33,280
or shall not. And so I think what is

2107
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,400
really good about this new framework is

2108
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,639
it's going to force us and every

2109
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:42,560
municipality to be very careful in how

2110
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,639
we structure our official plan. And part

2111
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:46,159
of this notion of streamlining the

2112
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:48,159
process that comes from the federal

2113
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:50,000
government and provincial government

2114
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,040
through Bill 98 is that if a developer

2115
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,199
is going to any municipality in this

2116
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:56,719
country,

2117
01:32:56,719 --> 01:32:58,480
they will essentially be able to very

2118
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,800
quickly appreciate what that

2119
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,560
municipality wants because they don't

2120
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,120
have to figure out where it is. There's

2121
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,880
going to be one location for it. Um, so

2122
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,679
again, my hope is that we can address

2123
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:14,639
your concern not entirely through the

2124
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:17,360
official plan, but ultimately at the end

2125
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,480
of the day when we have an official plan

2126
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:23,440
and a zoning bylaw through the second

2127
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:26,480
part of this review um that work

2128
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:31,040
together to do what the policies plan to

2129
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,990
do.

2130
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,159
Um, for the benefit of our audience and

2131
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:41,040
your mayor, 2.2.6, was that the

2132
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,719
paragraph you were concerned about?

2133
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,080
>> Very specifically, yes.

2134
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,840
>> And And what was that? And what is that

2135
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,840
the topic of 2.2.6?

2136
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,239
>> Let me pull it up for you if I can find

2137
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:54,480
it. I have it.

2138
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:56,320
>> Do I still have it?

2139
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:57,600
>> Through the through the mayor while

2140
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,560
we're waiting. the policy um that that

2141
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,159
councelor Jarvis is referring to is

2142
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:04,320
really that one that that speaks to

2143
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,239
allowing flexibility, you know, in terms

2144
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,199
of numbers and policy and and that

2145
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,679
numbers aren't necessarily absolute and

2146
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:15,520
um and u you know to Mr. Kraky's point

2147
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,639
um policy is intended to be just that.

2148
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:21,280
So there's typically a built-in element

2149
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,520
of flex flexibility

2150
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,960
um but there can be absolutes in policy.

2151
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,120
Um the provincial policy statement which

2152
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,000
is the overarching guiding document for

2153
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,719
planning in Ontario has a few elements

2154
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:38,400
in it that are absolute shall must and

2155
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,480
that's just the way it is. So I think we

2156
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:43,520
need to be judicious when we do this but

2157
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,920
if there's a desire from council and

2158
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,320
from the community to see certain things

2159
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,000
that are absolute that are very

2160
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,840
important um for the long-term

2161
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,199
development of this community we can

2162
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:55,520
certainly look at that.

2163
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,199
>> Thank you. And mayor, you can see it's

2164
01:34:57,199 --> 01:34:57,760
on the screen now.

2165
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,920
>> Yeah, I see that. Thank you. Appreciate

2166
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:06,790
that. Um, councelor Cooper.

2167
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,199
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'm just really

2168
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:12,000
inquiring. Have you opened up this the

2169
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,600
section of this meeting where the

2170
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,360
counselors speak because I've heard from

2171
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,400
councelor Bochek and counselor Jarvis.

2172
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,840
Um, do you want us to launch right into

2173
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:22,800
our um

2174
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,639
>> That's why I've rec that's why I've

2175
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:26,239
recognized you.

2176
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:28,080
>> Okay. So, we've moved on to that section

2177
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:29,920
of the meeting. I didn't realize that it

2178
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,880
was sort of a very smooth transition.

2179
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,480
>> Yes, we were very smooth.

2180
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:39,600
>> Congratulations on that front. Um, if I

2181
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,320
could just uh I do have a few points and

2182
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,400
uh one of it one of them actually aligns

2183
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,520
with council Jarvis in terms of

2184
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:52,159
uh the use of verbiage uh in our op um

2185
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,719
but the started wanted to start with

2186
01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:58,960
sort of at 10,000 ft um and remind us

2187
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,760
and and think about having things

2188
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,719
included in the official plan that

2189
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:06,400
reflect some of the other things that

2190
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,320
we've talked about at at the township

2191
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,800
and believe in things like our strategic

2192
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,320
plan.

2193
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,679
Priority number one, the environment.

2194
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:18,800
Those words should be the strategic plan

2195
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,560
and the environment being number one

2196
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:26,080
should be in the official plan. It's a direction and uh I would ask that

2197
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,560
some consideration by our planners be

2198
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,560
given to that. If it's already in there,

2199
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,080
great. Let's make sure it's still in

2200
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,800
there in the future. Um uh there are a

2201
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,199
few others that are like that. Our

2202
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:39,679
township has an area that's most of a

2203
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:43,120
good part of it is in the UNESCO

2204
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,400
designated Georgia Bay biosphere. That's

2205
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,560
a very important thing that it was

2206
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,400
established and it it sets the tone for

2207
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,600
what we do here. So I ask that uh there

2208
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,639
be mention of some of these things that

2209
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:00,719
are in our township. The other thing I

2210
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:03,199
think is equally important is the the

2211
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:06,400
species corridor that the GBLT pulled

2212
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,040
together with the township's cooperation

2213
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,000
and was able to take all the road

2214
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,520
allowances over and create a huge area

2215
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,600
for species corridors and wetland

2216
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,480
protection. That's another thing that

2217
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:22,480
it's a descriptor of who and what we

2218
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:25,360
are. There's others other things. So I'm

2219
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,119
going to just continue to read through

2220
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,080
my somewhat long list. is not too long.

2221
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:33,119
But uh uh I think the other thing we

2222
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:35,920
need to acknowledge is that the the

2223
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,600
character of our area enables residents

2224
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,159
to join enjoy a semi-w wilderness

2225
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,880
experience. And I'm stressing that term

2226
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,199
semi-w wilderness experience. And

2227
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:50,000
frankly, when you look at some of the

2228
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,880
other cottage areas,

2229
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,840
it's not exactly the same thing. They're

2230
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,760
not really semi-w wilderness. are more

2231
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,119
urban in nature. Cheek by jao, one

2232
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:02,880
property after another after another.

2233
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,880
Nothing wrong with that, but it's more

2234
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,800
urban in nature. And I think we need to

2235
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,480
remember that the township of Georgian

2236
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:12,960
Bay uh in in terms of uh one of the few

2237
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,880
municipalities in central and southern

2238
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,679
Ontario that has that very clear semi-w

2239
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:21,600
wilderness experience. And I think that

2240
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,960
should be included in our official plan

2241
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,719
as a descriptor. Um there's a few other

2242
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:30,639
things here, mayor, if I could just uh

2243
01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:35,760
cover off a few other little issues. Um

2244
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,639
>> uh I I realize that uh we have um you

2245
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:43,840
know exceptions in our rulings and ru

2246
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:49,040
and rules around lot size. Um but a lot

2247
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,000
of the numericics are mischaracterized

2248
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,239
as guidelines when in fact they uh

2249
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,239
should be really numeric that are

2250
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:01,119
thresholds. The more thresholds that we

2251
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:02,960
can include

2252
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,159
uh will help us not

2253
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,960
ruin our semi-w wilderness experience.

2254
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,119
And so that's another thing that we need

2255
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:13,440
to continue continue to sort of pay

2256
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:17,199
attention to is more thresholds and not

2257
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:20,880
flexible guidelines. The word and

2258
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,800
flexible policies which was mentioned

2259
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,760
recently I think it's uh important for

2260
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,239
us to remember we have thresholds we

2261
01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:31,440
need to establish more thresholds and uh

2262
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:37,679
think about that. Um, we also uh

2263
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:39,119
we don't really want to see

2264
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,360
overdevelopment of our waterfront areas

2265
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,760
and and it's not an anexrable right.

2266
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,040
It's a choice and we have a we can make

2267
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,920
that choice. This is what we want to do

2268
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:55,040
and so uh most of our citizens at least

2269
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,440
are feel very strongly about that.

2270
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:59,679
doesn't mean that the urban areas would

2271
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:02,480
apply apply in that uh sort of under

2272
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:06,239
those considerations but but the rural

2273
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:09,840
areas do and should. So choice versus

2274
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,560
inexurable rights. The final thing I

2275
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,880
wanted to uh talk about and I guess this

2276
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,880
would be more in the bylaws as opposed

2277
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,199
to the official plan. Although some

2278
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,760
lawyers, planning lawyers say that if

2279
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,480
you put it in the official plan and in

2280
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,840
your bylaws, it's a belt and suspenders.

2281
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,600
And that's not a bad thing because it

2282
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,320
sort of forces um things to be very

2283
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:35,760
clear. So here's one of the guidelines

2284
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,840
that I'd like to see with respect to

2285
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,960
minor variances and that is that we hear

2286
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,719
that you can't put percentages on

2287
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:45,760
things. I suggest that we could. I

2288
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,080
suggest that we could have specific

2289
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,800
numeric for example

2290
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,360
um and I'm happy to send this list to

2291
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,159
you but uh from 0 to 500 feet maybe you

2292
01:40:56,159 --> 01:40:58,880
can have up to 25% increase because

2293
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,119
smaller structures could have a bigger

2294
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:04,000
percentage. I I get that but let's say

2295
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,520
at 500 to 1500 square ft you you get no

2296
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:12,159
more than a 15% increase over 1500% or

2297
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:14,639
1500 square feet you get up to 10%

2298
01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:16,400
increase. something along those lines.

2299
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:20,639
That way we could control and make sure

2300
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:24,880
that we continue with our u wilderness

2301
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,280
experience and uh protect the

2302
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,600
environment. So those are a whole lot of

2303
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,760
words and I'm happy to share this in an

2304
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:36,960
email, but uh if you did capture it and agree or disagree, I'd like to hear

2305
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,520
at least uh what your thoughts are uh

2306
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,000
Jeff and Derek on the points that I've

2307
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,159
made. Thank you.

2308
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:45,760
three crack.

2309
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,480
>> Thank you. Um, councelor Cooper, you've

2310
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,280
raised a lot of interesting points and certainly I'm not going to address

2311
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,119
all of them now because again this is

2312
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:56,880
the start. U what I will say is my

2313
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,880
comment with respect to the official

2314
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,520
plan not duplicating the zoning bylaw

2315
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,159
was not intended to suggest that there

2316
01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:08,080
should not be a policy basis

2317
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:09,840
for everything that is in the zoning

2318
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,040
bylaw. there should and I think we've

2319
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,480
also got that situation here in our in

2320
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:18,239
our municipality where sometimes we have

2321
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:20,159
things in the zoning bylaw that don't

2322
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:23,040
have a policy basis. I think my comment

2323
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,600
is and again I think Derek wisely said

2324
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,840
that sometimes in an official plan you

2325
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:29,920
do use the word shall and and sometimes

2326
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,040
thresholds are important. Um, but I

2327
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,719
think uh [clears throat] what we will

2328
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:38,719
always keep in mind as we advise council

2329
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:40,239
and deal with the public and the working

2330
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:43,119
groups through this process is what we

2331
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:47,840
can and what we cannot do given that the

2332
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,440
municipality is a creature of the

2333
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,000
province and given given that the

2334
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,920
official plan is a document under the

2335
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,119
planning act and and I look forward to

2336
01:42:57,119 --> 01:42:59,199
learning more from you as to your your

2337
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:01,119
comments with respect to percentage

2338
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:03,440
limitations. ations because as a planner

2339
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:06,080
I'm only aware of the opportunity to do

2340
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,880
so through what was called uh uh

2341
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:10,960
development permits

2342
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:15,280
and for reasons that escape me right now

2343
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,520
and there is a separate error posting

2344
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,679
regarding development permits which I

2345
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:20,960
haven't referenced in any of my

2346
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,600
materials because we do not yet have

2347
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,719
development permits in our official plan

2348
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:29,280
but for reasons beyond my comprehension

2349
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,560
there is not yet a role for development

2350
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:36,719
permits in Bill 98. That being said, we

2351
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:38,960
still don't know what the regulations

2352
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:43,360
will or will not be this fall. Um, but

2353
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,400
other than development permit systems,

2354
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,880
I'm unaware of the ability for

2355
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,679
municipalities to do those kinds of

2356
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:54,800
percentage limitations

2357
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,000
on minor variances.

2358
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,920
>> Mayor, if I could just one final

2359
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:03,280
comment. uh with respect to uh Jeff

2360
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,280
Gratzk's comments here.

2361
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,600
>> Please go ahead councelor Preco will be

2362
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:08,400
patient.

2363
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,239
>> It it'll just be a sentence and

2364
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:12,400
essentially I've had some consultation

2365
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:16,639
with a um a plan municipal lawyer also

2366
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:18,960
an environmental lawyer one and the

2367
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:23,040
same. And um apparently we have more

2368
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,400
authority than we think we do. And um I

2369
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,920
think we need to start pressing uh that

2370
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,119
point and understanding that we may have

2371
01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:36,080
more strength in our ability as a

2372
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,719
municipality than we we uh think we can.

2373
01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:40,560
And uh so that's what I've been told and

2374
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,639
I'm hoping that in the future we're

2375
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,880
going to press things a little bit more

2376
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,040
aggressively uh instead of being pushed

2377
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,880
around by

2378
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,880
the supposed upper level governments

2379
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,280
that uh tell us whether we how high

2380
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,199
we're supposed to jump. I I don't buy

2381
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:57,600
some of it. Thank you.

2382
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,280
>> Thank you,

2383
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,679
councelor Predco.

2384
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:03,360
>> Thank you. And through you uh your

2385
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,040
worship. Um I don't really have too much

2386
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,119
more to add. I think um I'm supportive

2387
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:08,800
of this whole approach and I'm really I

2388
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,600
just wanted to express um some um

2389
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,320
appreciation to our planning department

2390
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,840
and and uh Jeff and Director Whitlib um

2391
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,159
with regards to listening to the diverse

2392
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:21,600
voices that are in the room this

2393
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,360
morning. and uh I know you're going to

2394
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:25,760
be doing that going forward. So I'm I'm

2395
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,400
very confident that we have uh this in

2396
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,360
good hands. And then I only my only

2397
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,119
other comment was to make sure that as

2398
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:36,639
we go forward we are looking at um in

2399
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:40,400
our urban centers um affordable housing

2400
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,480
and how do we help streamline

2401
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,000
development and make sure that we can

2402
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,480
get our communities growing the way we

2403
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:48,639
want them to grow and make sure they're

2404
01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:51,840
sustainable. That's all. Thank you.

2405
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:55,040
councelor Hazelton.

2406
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,960
>> Thank you. Um I want to touch on a

2407
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,440
couple of things and u I'm trying not to

2408
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:02,080
be repetitive. Um I think think there's

2409
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,239
lots of good uh conversation here, but

2410
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:07,119
we heard from um one in the audience who

2411
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:12,080
talked about um uh the what I well I

2412
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,639
will phrase as the need for compliance

2413
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:16,639
with policies

2414
01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:20,000
um without the need for uh complaining

2415
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,520
about your neighbor. And one of the

2416
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,080
things that uh I observe in our township

2417
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,520
is that um uh and I've heard this over

2418
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:29,600
and over and over again. I heard it when

2419
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,480
I was campaigning in 2018. I heard it uh

2420
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:34,960
last week when I was out at a meeting um

2421
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,600
where everybody is basically saying, "We

2422
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,159
may not like the rules, but at least

2423
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:44,000
enforce the rules you have and I don't

2424
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,119
want to complain about my neighbor." So,

2425
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:53,119
how do we fix this dilemma? Because um

2426
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:55,520
we have chaos going out there going on

2427
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,840
out there in our township. We have all

2428
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,199
kinds of things going on that should

2429
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:01,440
never be done. We have clear-cutting of

2430
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:04,719
properties. Uh but you know if somebody

2431
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:08,080
doesn't complain then nothing is done.

2432
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:12,639
So we have to change this model because

2433
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:15,360
it is really irritating

2434
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,800
a large percentage of our residents who

2435
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,159
don't want to complain but are horrified

2436
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,080
at the things that are going on. So

2437
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:25,280
we've got to get out ahead of this. And

2438
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,520
I was delighted that uh the earlier

2439
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,440
speaker talked about this but I think

2440
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:32,320
that has to be very high on our agenda

2441
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,960
in the world in today's world of um you

2442
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,560
know uh commercial quality drones. uh

2443
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,119
what you can do with a uh commercial

2444
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:43,119
drone in the planning and the building

2445
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:45,280
department to find [snorts] things and

2446
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,119
inspect things and inspect things not

2447
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:50,320
only on day two but on day 200 and day

2448
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,440
2000 because uh as we all know we've had

2449
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:56,239
applications come forward uh to council

2450
01:47:56,239 --> 01:48:00,080
here and we have uh we have been told

2451
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,520
that oh I'm just going to put a wall in

2452
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,600
the middle middle of my building and

2453
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,280
claim that the other side of the wall is

2454
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,600
storage uh and it'll never be used for

2455
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,679
human habitation and uh you have to

2456
01:48:09,679 --> 01:48:12,080
believe that uh but of course we know

2457
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,520
what's going to happen next year and the

2458
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,400
year after. So we really have to get a

2459
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:17,840
handle on this. This this can't be

2460
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,800
something left to uh to to fall off the

2461
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,239
edge of of the uh the table.

2462
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:26,800
The other topic, you know, first of all,

2463
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,639
I as I say, I think there's lots of good

2464
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:31,199
comments that have been made, but um

2465
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:33,679
you've heard uh a couple of times and

2466
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:36,639
I'm going to say it differently.

2467
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:39,600
We keep hearing at council

2468
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,639
about the rights of the individual

2469
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:46,960
to develop things on their property.

2470
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,920
What we don't hear is what are the

2471
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,119
rights of the community to establish

2472
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:56,159
guidelines for what they want in their

2473
01:48:56,159 --> 01:48:58,320
community. Now, we've got lots of

2474
01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:59,760
neighborhood plans in our community, and

2475
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,760
I understand that those are going to be

2476
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,400
uh, you know, hard perhaps to pull into

2477
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,600
the new Bill 98 structure. Uh, and I'm

2478
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,920
hoping that our excellent planning staff

2479
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,560
can figure out a way to do that. But

2480
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,040
what is really important for most people

2481
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:19,679
that I talk to is when you are trying to

2482
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:22,080
uh articulate what you want in your

2483
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:23,840
community

2484
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,360
and

2485
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,840
you are frustrated by the fact that

2486
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,239
there seem to be words in other

2487
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,560
documents that somehow imply that the

2488
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:34,880
property owner has the the right to do

2489
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,080
whatever he wants in spite of all of

2490
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,239
these constraints that are uh being

2491
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:42,480
crafted for that community. There's a

2492
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,159
disconnect there. And I don't have the

2493
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:45,440
answer to it, but I think we need to

2494
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:48,480
figure out how to deal with that. Uh

2495
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:50,080
because there is no point in having a

2496
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,040
neighborhood plan if you can't enforce

2497
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,320
it and if there is language in some

2498
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:57,920
other policies that let somebody do

2499
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,280
whatever they want. And you've heard

2500
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,920
this with respect to uh percentage

2501
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,719
increases and variances and uh and all

2502
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:07,440
kinds of other things. So I I I don't I

2503
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,199
don't want to blabber it too much, but I

2504
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:12,239
think we really need to identify that as

2505
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:16,960
a key uh topic to deal with going

2506
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,199
forward. Otherwise, we're wasting our

2507
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:21,360
time with uh an official plan and zoning

2508
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,239
bylaw. Thank you.

2509
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:26,239
>> Thank you,

2510
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:28,239
counselors. Any other comments you wish

2511
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:34,950
to make at today's meeting?

2512
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:37,280
All right, then I'm going to say if

2513
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:38,639
there are no further questions or

2514
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:40,480
comments, this concludes the special

2515
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,080
mean of planning council regarding the

2516
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,560
official plan comprehensive review.

2517
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,239
Thank you to everyone who participated

2518
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:48,000
today and all comments and submissions

2519
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:49,760
received will form part of the public

2520
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,360
record and will be considered as the

2521
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,920
official plan comprehensive review moves

2522
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,639
forward. There's no decision being made

2523
01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:58,239
on a new official plan as part of

2524
01:50:58,239 --> 01:50:59,920
today's meeting. Today's meeting is an

2525
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:01,520
opportunity to provide information,

2526
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,760
receive feedback, and hear from the

2527
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,480
community as the review process moves

2528
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,880
forward. And I'm going to repeat again

2529
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,440
off script, so to speak. As far as I'm

2530
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:13,199
concerned, we've opened the door. The

2531
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:15,360
door remains open. And I'm encouraging

2532
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:18,159
anybody and everybody and those who are

2533
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:20,000
watching now and those who may watch

2534
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,920
later and those who may talk to somebody

2535
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,280
else who talked to somebody else who

2536
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,159
watched if you got input please provide

2537
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:28,159
it one way or another because that is

2538
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:31,440
our intent is that we get um input from

2539
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,560
the the uh from everyone. Um, obviously

2540
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,520
the end result will be a compromise, but

2541
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,760
let's have a compromise that is as

2542
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,599
reasonable and fair and useful as

2543
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:47,920
possible. Um, so that that is uh I again

2544
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:48,960
I'm just going to say thank you very

2545
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:50,400
much for everybody's input. I really

2546
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,639
appreciate it and I really appreciate

2547
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:55,199
the interest and I think this process is

2548
01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:57,199
we got we got a great staff to help make

2549
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:00,480
this process move forward. And um I have

2550
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:02,960
a motion to read and I am moved by

2551
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,800
councelor Bochek, seconded by councelor

2552
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,199
Cooper. Be it resolved, the council for

2553
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:09,440
the township of Georgian Bay accepts all

2554
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:12,080
information regarding the 202628

2555
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,320
Georgian Bay official plan comprehensive

2556
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:17,119
review in bill 98 new framework update

2557
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:19,119
review presented at the special meeting

2558
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,760
on August 26, 2026

2559
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,840
and two refers all set information

2560
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,679
comments to the township plan staff for

2561
01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:27,199
further discussion with the indigenous

2562
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:29,119
communities, district staff, community

2563
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,360
groups and anyone who commented and

2564
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,480
anyone else and st and township staff

2565
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:36,400
shall not schedule the mean of councel

2566
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:37,920
to further consider what was heard at

2567
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,199
the special meeting and the review

2568
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:41,599
topics until after comments are

2569
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:43,440
addressed

2570
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:46,800
council all those in favor

2571
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:52,790
and that is carried thank you very much

2572
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,800
moved by councelor Predco seconded by

2573
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,119
councelor Jarvis be it resolve the plan

2574
01:52:57,119 --> 01:53:00,080
council dots bylaw 2026-068

2575
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:01,760
to confirm the proceedings of the August

2576
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:05,520
26 26 2026 special planning council

2577
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:08,480
meeting. All those in favor?

2578
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:11,440
And that is carried. And finally, move

2579
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:12,960
by councelor Gratziano, second by

2580
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:14,960
councelor Hazelton. Be it resolved that

2581
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:16,880
the plan council is now adjourned at

2582
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,400
10:57 a.m.

2583
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:23,440
until September 15, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. or

2584
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:25,920
at the call of the chair. All those in

2585
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,960
favor. And we are now adjourned. Thank

2586
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:30,639
you. Thank you again, everyone. Thank

2587
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:34,870
you.

2588
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:38,870
All right.

2589
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:49,109
Let's

2590
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:51,920
go ahead. Okay.