1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:14,160 All set, Charlie. All right. Uh being at uh three 302, 2 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:19,039 I'll call the meeting to order. Uh does any member wish to make an addition to 3 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:22,039 the agenda? >> Nope. 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:32,000 » Peter, you're muted if you are speaking. Um 5 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:35,800 hearing or seeing none I'll ask uh 6 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:48,040 wrong moving bill seconding any discussion on the agenda 7 00:00:48,559 --> 00:00:54,200 seeing none uh I'll call for a vote all in favor 8 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,800 that's carried 9 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:12,680 Does any member have the declaration of interest uh related to the agenda 10 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:20,799 hearing? We're seeing none. Uh pre previous minutes uh that the 11 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:26,720 minutes of the council renumeration committee meeting held July 10th, 2025 12 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,880 be approved. Uh looking for a mover and a seconder. 13 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:38,759 Uh Peter moving Ron seconding. Uh any discussion on uh the previous minutes 14 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:47,439 hearing or seeing none. Uh call for vote. All in favor approve those 15 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:52,479 minutes. That's carried. 16 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:56,640 We're down to staff reports. I'll just read the recommendation of the staff 17 00:01:54,159 --> 00:02:01,759 report for now and then ask for a moving mover and a seconder and then I'll turn 18 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:06,240 it over to staff to briefly comment and then we can have any discussion 19 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:12,759 thereafter. Um so the the recommendation at this point is that report COR 20 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,759 20225-029 21 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:18,959 summary of historical council council renumeration be received for 22 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:27,360 information. I ask for a mover and a seconder. 23 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:33,200 I got Bill and then Ron um there'll turn it over to staff to uh 24 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:39,040 provide any discussion. Is that you Samantha? It is. Yes. Thank you. And 25 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:44,560 through your chair, we provide >> I don't think 26 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,720 » anyone else here you can. 27 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,599 » Yep. >> Okay. Let me just see if I've got 28 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,720 something screwed up here. >> Okay. I'll just pause for a moment. 29 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:07,959 else in disco. 30 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:19,159 » Try again. >> Can you hear me now? 31 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:25,239 » Testing. >> I can hear you fine. 32 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:31,519 » I'm coming through the >> I can hear you fine, Smith. 33 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Oh, >> okay. Can you hear us hear me now Brad? 34 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:41,120 » Now I can now now I can hear you. >> Okay. So thank you through you. I'll 35 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:46,239 just quickly summarize this report. So what we have prepared for the committee 36 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:53,120 today is historical information related to council renumeration. So we do have 37 00:03:49,519 --> 00:03:58,640 their renumeration rates using 2021 as our base rate. Uh the latest council 38 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:05,040 renumeration policy did cover the 2022 to 2025 rates. Included in that was the 39 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:09,920 recommendation that council renumeration be increased at the same rate as the 40 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:14,480 non-union township staff. So those historical rates are provided in that 41 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:20,160 graph for you. I also included the mileage per kilometer reimbursement rate 42 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:26,080 as we've been following the CRA mileage rates for those. 43 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:31,360 In addition to council meetings, we've also summarized the meetings for which 44 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:35,600 predems may be paid that are not township of Georgia and Bluffs meetings. 45 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:40,560 So we do have our elected officials appointed to various boards that they do 46 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:46,160 also receive PDM and mileage reimbursement for their attendance at 47 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:51,120 these. Part of this committee is also going to be inadvertently setting the 48 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:56,800 PDUM rate for any citizen members that we may have on our boards. That can 49 00:04:54,400 --> 00:05:00,800 include a committee such as this. It can include a property standards committee, 50 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,800 inner township fire department or committee of adjustment. So, we just 51 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,800 wanted to highlight some of those other committees. 52 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,120 By virtue of their elected title, the mayor and deputy mayor are also on 53 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:19,360 county council. However, they are renumerated through the county and there 54 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:25,120 is no impact to the township on that. Some non-reneumerationbased 55 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:29,680 benefits that they do receive is they do have directors of officers insurance 56 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:35,039 that they are covered under. They are members of the township's OMR's program. 57 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:39,360 They do receive reimbursement for any out-ofpocket meals and professional 58 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:45,280 development. Each member does have a $4,000 professional development 59 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,800 allotment how they can use as they see fit. This may be a combination of 60 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:55,520 seminars. It could be attendance at conference meetings and could be small 61 00:05:52,639 --> 00:06:01,919 other sessions that they find beneficial for their capacity as elected official. 62 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:07,600 The township also provides them and pays for a phone and a tablet. And for our 63 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:13,840 counselors, they do also receive a internet allowance to re uh compensate 64 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:18,639 their home internet costs. The mayor and deputy mayor historically 65 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:24,160 have not received this. Um each year under the mistell act, the 66 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:30,000 treasurer is required to summarize the amounts paid to or on behalf of uh 67 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:36,800 members of council. So, we have included the 2024, 23, and 2022 amounts, and 68 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:42,360 there are links to those direct reports. I'm happy to answer any questions if 69 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,360 there are any about this. 70 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,600 » Any questions from committee members? 71 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,800 » Nope. 72 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:57,800 Okay. Thanks, Samantha. 73 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:14,080 So, I guess at this point I'll call for a vote on the staff report. 74 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:20,560 Uh, all in favor to receive it. Uh, that's carried. 75 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:25,039 Next reports uh CO2 uh 202530 76 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:28,800 uh municipal comparators for council remuneration. 77 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Again, I'll read the recommendation, ask for remover, 78 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,479 turn it over to staff, and then we can have any discussion should there need to 79 00:07:33,599 --> 00:07:41,360 be. um that the committee direct staff to seek further information relation to 80 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:47,440 council benefits and remuneration from the same 10 competitors used for 2025 81 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:52,440 non-UN staff pay equity and compensation review. I'll ask for a mover. 82 00:07:52,800 --> 00:08:03,280 Uh Ron and a seconder, Bill and uh uh turn it over to who's speaking 83 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:07,280 to this one? Is this you again, Samantha? 84 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:14,080 » It is. Yes. So, thank you through your chair. Throughout 2025, uh we are 85 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:19,520 undertaking a non-union staff pay equity and compensation review. So council has 86 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:26,400 been involved with that process. So they were involved in selecting our matrix 87 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:31,199 that we took into account different um considerations such as population size, 88 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:36,080 annual budgets, staff complement, average home assessment and the living 89 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:42,640 wage catchment. And so we compared that to 21 90 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:48,160 municipalities that were similar we felt and then it did result in a top 91 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:53,680 10 which was also endorsed and approved by council. We also have included here 92 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:59,200 the municipalities that were used for the 2022 and 2025 93 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:03,680 uh council renumeration committee. Many of these municipalities I believe there 94 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:08,640 might have been one was not included in the matrix that we had used when 95 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:14,959 presenting it for the non-union staff component. Um the top 10 comparators 96 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:19,120 that we are suggesting this committee move forwards with is the municipality 97 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:24,000 of Aaron Eldersley, municipality of Meford, town of South Bruce Peninsula, 98 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:28,720 Municipality of West Gray, Municipality of Brockton, town of Sagin Shores, 99 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Township of Hiron Kimlo, Township of Southgate, Municipality of Grey 100 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:38,320 Highlands, and the town of Mento. As the committee, you are welcome to 101 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:43,519 adjust, change these comparators as you see fit. staff are recommending we can 102 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:47,560 maintain consistency with that that is used as non-union staff. 103 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:56,040 » Great. Uh thank you Samantha. Any questions from committee members? 104 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:06,320 See I have a a couple uh about three questions. Samantha, 105 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:10,720 um, does it make sense for us to use county 106 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:16,880 to grade or can we maybe just use them as a reference point just to kind of 107 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,880 base it to is one question. Maybe I'll give you all three my questions. You can 108 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,640 answer them collectively if you want. Um, geographically, I'm wondering 109 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:29,120 whether we should include sogging shores. uh just to provide uh since 110 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:33,760 we're going all the way out to town of Blue Mountains, I thought maybe so 111 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:40,240 shores is relatively close and I think their council size is similar. 112 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:44,560 And then the next question was when we actually do gather the data, can we make 113 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:49,279 sure we gather um the number of council members for 114 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:53,519 each of those communities? Because I think a point I'd made 115 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:57,839 previous the previous meeting was that there might be that potential for you 116 00:10:56,079 --> 00:11:01,040 know the workload to be distributed differently depending upon how many 117 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:06,800 counselors are. So a council of five might have more work than a council of 118 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:11,680 seven and say vice versa. >> Brad did you say we should include the 119 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:14,399 town of Sagen shores? >> Yeah I don't think it was in the list I 120 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:22,880 saw. >> I think it is number six in the list. 121 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:31,079 Oh, okay. >> Well, unless we have a different um 122 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,079 different agendas, I don't think so. 123 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:38,320 » So, through your chair, um town of Sing Shores is one that st of the 10 that 124 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:44,079 staff are recommending. Um Blue Mountains was used during the 2022 to 125 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,079 25. So, there is kind of two lists in the report. 126 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,680 » Yeah. Um, I was mixing up the list. That's the 127 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:51,519 thing. >> No worries. 128 00:11:50,079 --> 00:11:52,800 » That's what I was doing. Mixing those up. 129 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,880 » No worries. >> Then then I would suggest my my my other 130 00:11:55,519 --> 00:12:01,440 comment would be then, does it appropriate for us to be using Town of 131 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:05,279 Mento? It's pretty far and I think Town of Mento will get a little bit of that 132 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:12,240 influence uh from from larger urban centers. So 133 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:15,720 maybe that's the question. I'll flip it around a little bit. 134 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:28,639 So through you town of Mento received 87 points when we applied the 135 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:33,839 metrics to them. They are number 10. So if the committee wishes to reduce or 136 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:38,720 swap out any of the 10 comparators, you're welcome to. Um you had asked 137 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,440 about the county, you're welcome to use the county. Um the 138 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:47,920 services provided at a county level can differ and workloads can and may differ 139 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:51,360 from a county perspective opposed to a lower tier, but we can definitely 140 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:57,040 request the information if that is what the committee would like. 141 00:12:53,360 --> 00:13:04,639 » Samantha, what was the 11th um you said the Mento was 10 with 87. What 142 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:08,320 what's the the one after that >> through your chair? Just bear with me. I 143 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:13,480 don't remember if own sound was next or Chhatzsworth was next, but they were the 144 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,480 next two. 145 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:21,079 » Samantha, is there any way that you can pull up the um comparator matrix? 146 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:29,959 » Bear with me. It is large and multiple pages. So, I will try. 147 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,959 » Thank you. 148 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,880 Is everyone able to see? >> Yeah, 149 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:04,320 » we do see your screen. >> Y 150 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:09,120 » Oh, I'm just going to try to zoom out bit. It is six pages. So, when the 151 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,480 committee would like a page change, please let me know. 152 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,720 You can move pages as far as I can. 153 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:41,320 Okay. Yep. 154 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,560 Okay. >> Okay. 155 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,560 » So, 156 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:13,040 » so Samantha, there there would be the question. The township of Chadzsworth 157 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:18,240 was 86 and the town of Mento is 87, but we're going to recommend Mento over 158 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:22,560 Chadzsworth, which is our neighbor. Uh, I I'm a little bit like you, Brad. I 159 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:28,120 would probably say I would take Chadzsworth as a competitor over Mento 160 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,120 when they're so close. 161 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:35,639 » Can we just add Chazworth to the list to keep Mento in there just for numbers 162 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:35,639 sake? 163 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Okay. Can you can you continue on Samantha? 164 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:07,079 » Okay. Okay. You can continue. 165 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:23,880 Or is that That's it. >> That's page six. 166 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,880 » Yeah. 167 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:41,959 thoughts by the committee in terms of uh either removing Mento or adding 168 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:41,959 Chadzsworth. 169 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:53,360 » I I think it would make sense to swap out Mento for Chadzsworth. 170 00:16:48,880 --> 00:17:00,079 um given its proximity to us and the fact that there's only one point 171 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:07,839 difference in the scoring I think it um you know maybe Brad to your point it may 172 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:14,280 be more um similar to to our our area than than Mento 173 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:14,280 that would be my thought. 174 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:22,319 Any other comments or discussion? >> Yeah, my only 175 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:25,360 » I >> Sorry, Ron. 176 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:29,200 » Go ahead. Go ahead, Peter. I'll talk after you. 177 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:34,000 » I I was just going to say uh adding Chadzsworth makes sense, but um 178 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:39,039 we might as well leave Mento in there since it's a valid comparison as well. 179 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:44,919 It's little stressed geographically, but um more information is sometimes better 180 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,919 than less. So, 181 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:51,600 » yeah, my only about adding Chadzsworth is the comp 182 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:54,880 council composition size is different um when they only have five members 183 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:58,640 versus the council composition in Georgia Bluffs is significantly 184 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:03,760 different from a workload perspective. So we may get different comparators from 185 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:10,919 a workload um on a PDM basis at Chadzsworth versus here. That would be 186 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,919 my only hesitation about adding them in. 187 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,440 » Sorry, how many 188 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,960 Sorry, the only 189 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,320 » go ahead. >> Are we done with the screen so I can see 190 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,360 everybody's picture again? Because it's just hard to see everybody in a smaller 191 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:34,320 screen. >> There we go. Super. Sorry. 192 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:37,760 Uh, who was trying to speak? I couldn't quite catch it. 193 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:43,919 » Um, it was me. And I I was just going to say I I should know this, but how many 194 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:48,440 counselors do we have? I thought we had five as well, but I'm probably wrong. 195 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:58,080 » Through your chair, we have a mayor, deputy mayor, and five counselors. So, 196 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:02,400 it is a group of seven. >> Chadzsworth is a mayor, deputy mayor, 197 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:06,919 and three counselors. So, a total composition of five. 198 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:06,919 » Okay. 199 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,280 on your the information being provided for the different municipalities. Are 200 00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:22,679 you including the the populations in there as well? 201 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:34,400 » Directed to Samantha, sorry through you. Population size is something that was 202 00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:40,400 looked at when determining their score. I don't believe the Oh, it does have the 203 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:43,799 actual population size included on the matrix summary. 204 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:16,000 If you're looking for a recommendation, Mr. Chair, I would just recommend that 205 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,480 we move forward with the 10 that are on the staff report 206 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:32,600 » or did we want to adjust on? Did we Did we lose Brad? 207 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,159 » We might have lost him. 208 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:52,480 » Could be rural internet issues. >> Is there any um downside to having 11 or 209 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:58,799 is there any requirement that you must have 10? 210 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:03,520 My my only concern, Bill, is that the um pay equity staff ratings that they the 211 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:08,000 township used, these are the 10 comparators that they use. And for 212 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:14,320 consistency sake, if we use the same 10 comparators, then we're comparing apples 213 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:17,919 to apples versus trying to change that. >> That's fair. 214 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:21,760 » Yeah. Although Jazworth was only one point difference on the scoring, right? 215 00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:24,880 » Yeah. And my only hesitation, Peter, about them is it's a different size 216 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,799 council. >> Yeah, we can take that into account 217 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:32,679 though. >> Yeah, the workload is significantly 218 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,679 different for five versus seven. 219 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,799 [Music] 220 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:53,679 » And Brad's gone deaf. >> Yeah. Carly, are you there, too? You're 221 00:21:51,120 --> 00:22:00,000 on mute. >> Yes, I am here. Apologies. 222 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:04,679 » Brad, are you back? >> No, he just says he can't hear anyone in 223 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:04,679 chat. 224 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:17,760 We uh we could have a brief recess to see if our chair can regain his audio 225 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:20,159 capability if that's okay with the the committee. 226 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,360 » Yes, that'd be fine. >> Yeah, 227 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:27,240 » you can hear me. >> We can hear you. Yeah, 228 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,550 [Music] 229 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:40,400 » yeah, I can't hear you. for whatever reason. So, Bill, maybe you should take 230 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:43,520 over the chair, if you don't mind. Or who was it? No, Peter, who was the who 231 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,280 was the vice chair? >> Wrong. 232 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,280 » Yeah, >> you take over because I can't hear you 233 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:54,799 guys and I'll figure out why my sound's not working. 234 00:22:51,039 --> 00:23:00,200 » Um maybe we'll just pause and and Brad can um disconnect and reconnect. 235 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,080 » Sure. >> If that's okay with committee members. 236 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:15,760 Okay, that sounds great. So, we'll take a brief recess to allow um Chair 237 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:20,640 McRoberts to leave the meeting and um pop back on and then in the meantime um 238 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:23,679 Mr. Vice Chair, I will send you the meeting script if we cannot resolve 239 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,679 those issues. >> Okay. 240 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:05,799 Brad, you're back. Can you hear us? 241 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:28,640 » Can you hear me? You can hear me, right? >> Yeah. I can't hear you. 242 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:34,640 All right, carry on. You stay take over Ron for 243 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:38,640 chair. I'll try to keep figuring this out. 244 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,840 » So, Carly, can you send me the script? 245 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:48,600 » It should be on its way over to you. >> Okay, thanks. 246 00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:02,679 Okay. 247 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:12,159 So, we are at 52 about the municipal comparators for council renumeration 248 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:17,919 and we do have a mover and a seconder for the committee direct seat staff on 249 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:22,640 the 10 comparators that we just listed. Um, 250 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,840 is there any recommendations that we want to change the 10 comparators? 251 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:38,200 » I I'd still like to see Chadsworth in there if we can do that. If we can go to 252 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,200 11. 253 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:44,919 » So Samantha or Carly, is there an issue of us going to 11 254 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:51,840 » through your chair? There is no issue with us requesting the information from 255 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:56,960 an additional municipality. >> Okay. So, uh, Bill, are you okay with 256 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,200 that? >> Uh, yes. 257 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:06,080 » Okay. So, then we'll modify the recommendation to have the renumeration 258 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:11,360 from the 10 comparators used in the 2025 non-UN payroll Canadian compensation 259 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:15,039 review and include the township of Chadford. 260 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:19,919 Is that all right to do it that way, Carly? with regards to the motion 261 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:23,679 » uh through you, Mr. Chair. It can be done formally as an amendment, but I'm 262 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:28,480 also happy for it to be informal if if the committee consents to that. 263 00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:33,279 » Okay, let's do it informally. We'll do it that way. Uh all those in favor of 264 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:38,440 the the motion put forward with regards to the staff report of the 10 265 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,440 comparators plus chassis 266 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:46,000 motions carried. Uh item number 5.3, the council 267 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:52,000 renumeration committee council interview questions. 268 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:56,320 Um the recommendation is that the 2026 2030 council renumeration committee 269 00:26:53,919 --> 00:27:00,480 council interview questions as appended to this report be approved 72 amendments 270 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,159 by the committee and that staff be directed to proceed with arranging 271 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:09,799 interviews with members of council to inform the committee work. I'll ask for 272 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:09,799 a mover and a seconder. 273 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:17,679 Moved by Bill, second by Peter. 274 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:23,200 I'll turn this over to staff for their brief comment. 275 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:28,400 » Thank you, Mr. Chair. Through you. So, I have put together some questions just 276 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:33,600 based on what's been asked of council members in in these interviews in the 277 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:39,520 past. Um, so what I've included is just a jumping off point for the committee 278 00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:44,000 and, um, with any additions or deletions that the committee would like to see, 279 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,120 uh, I'm more than happy to make those. Um, and just for your information as 280 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:53,520 well, I am currently working with members of council and I have interviews 281 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:57,919 lined up between August 8th and 20th. So um once these questions are finalized I 282 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:04,399 will formalize those um meetings in everybody's calendar and um we can go 283 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:08,640 from there but uh completely up to the committee in terms of what they would 284 00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:12,720 like to see with this questionnaire. So happy to take any any feedback or 285 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,840 suggested revisions. >> Okay. Discussion from the committee 286 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,760 members on the questionnaire. >> Um 287 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:29,039 just one question. These are the same questions that were used um uh in the 20 288 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:36,559 I think it was 20 whatever um the the previous um committee or has there been 289 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:41,360 additions or changes >> through you Mr. Chair? They are the 290 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:48,720 essentially the same questions that were asked in 2022. I've made some uh some 291 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:52,799 brief language adjustments as well as um added an opportunity for any general 292 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:57,039 comments about remuneration that weren't captured in the the beginning of the 293 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:01,600 questionnaire. So I have made slight changes but no really substantial 294 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:08,360 changes to the questionnaire. So it is very consistent with what has been asked 295 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:08,360 in previous years in those interviews. 296 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,880 » Peter would uh 297 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:23,120 under under the special events. Uh could we add in an additional question there? 298 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,640 Um basically would they have attended the event if they weren't on council? So 299 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,760 if this is something they would have gone to anyways. And then a final 300 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,799 question on the questionnaire I'd like is uh if they feel the level of 301 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:43,679 compensation they're currently receiving is fair, high, low. um just ask the 302 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,200 people who are getting paid what they think of what they're getting paid. 303 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:51,440 » Okay, great. And is the committee okay with that being added sort of under the 304 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:56,000 other topic just kind of as general feedback? 305 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:01,039 » Yes, I am. I actually had that same question. So that's uh I think that's a 306 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:08,039 that's a good question to get their thoughts on on uh their their uh their 307 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,039 compensation. 308 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:13,640 and and uh Okay. 309 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:27,520 So, Carly, I'd also like to leave it open for if Brad has any additional 310 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:33,039 comments on the questionnaire that we can add them into it. 311 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:37,760 Um he may have some other uh opportunity observations in the questionnaire. I I 312 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:41,520 think the questionnaire is is uh comprehensive and we'll certainly get 313 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:48,440 the feedback from council members as we go through it. Um any other discussion 314 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,440 on the questionnaire? 315 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,440 Seeing none, all those in favor including the two additions. 316 00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:02,000 Uh that's carried. Uh item number six, unfinished business. 317 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:06,080 We don't have any. Item number seven, there's no new business. Item number 318 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:10,159 eight, the date of the next regular meeting to determine the committee um 319 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,399 and allow the board to discuss possible dates for the next meeting. And you said 320 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:20,159 Carly that we've got a series of meetings between the 8th and the 20th. 321 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:24,720 So I would >> go ahead you Mr. Chair. I was just 322 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:29,919 confirming that yes um the individual interviews will be scheduled um between 323 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:34,159 those dates and of course the we're welcoming the the committee to schedule 324 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:39,519 their next meeting at at a time that works best for them. So um just keeping 325 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:44,080 in mind that there may also um need to be some time for data collection for our 326 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:50,559 treasurer and I to work through and collect that comparator data. 327 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:55,120 » So I was going to ask you um on a timing standpoint. So our next committee we'd 328 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:59,120 be looking at the 10 comparators information would we also have an 329 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,960 opportunity to see the summary of comments um from the council 330 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,960 questionnaire 331 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:11,039 » for you Mr. chair, depending on when the meeting occurs, there is a possibility 332 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,880 that we could have all that feedback on the agenda. 333 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:20,720 » Uh considering we have to have this done all by and in October, 334 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,080 I'm suggesting that the next meeting probably has to be sometime early 335 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,640 September. Um but would that give you guys enough 336 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,480 time to put all that information together for us? 337 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,320 » Sure. You Mr. Chair, I'll allow the treasurer to also chime in. But from the 338 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,159 interview questionnaire response perspective, um I do believe that that 339 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,919 would be sufficient time for us to have those um responses summarized for the 340 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,919 committee's information. >> Um 341 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:59,919 so I'm looking at, you know, is Tuesday a good good day for committee members? 342 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:04,399 uh either the 2nd of September or the 9th of September. Which would be better 343 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,600 for staff? >> Second. The holiday, isn't it? Don't 344 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,720 know what that first is. >> First, 345 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,640 » first is second would work. Second would work best for me because I'm away uh the 346 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,960 rest of September. So, >> okay. 347 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,080 » If we could do the second, that would be perfect. 348 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:25,679 » Can you hear us again, Brad? >> I can hear you now. Yes. 349 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:32,240 » Okay, good. Um, uh, does the 2nd of September work 350 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:37,519 for everyone, including staff? >> So, why don't we plan the 2nd of 351 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:42,440 September at 3 p.m. the next committee meeting? 352 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:54,000 » I have a mover as second moved by Peter and seconded by Bill. 353 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:57,000 There's no discussion. All those in favor? 354 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:05,760 And um and now I'll call for a vote to move for 355 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:11,520 an adjournment. Moved by Peter, seconded by Bill. 356 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,520 All those in favor.