protectors and environmental stewards of these lands and we join
them in these responsibilities could either roll call please madam
clerk
thank you Medicare all members of council are present except
councillor decent thank you I'm community announcements I know where
we just enjoyed last week the last weekend ... the
sudden fair was great to have it back it was
well attended on a very very hot weekends are lots
of activities I know a number of members of council
attended to different events throughout the week and I know
regional council grassy was busy ... volunteering at many different
locations so just a great big thank you to to
the job fair board of the directors
the fair just doesn't happen all by itself it takes
of those directors start planning I can guarantee it are
starting to plan next year's fair already
S. all the volunteers that help out and it was
really great to to see it back you know the
past two years of the pandemic not having the fair
it just didn't seem like summer in Georgina without the
sudden agricultural fair so well done to to them ...
council civil did you wanna mention of the painted perch
thank you through you madam merited morning everyone yes that
painted purchase back this weekend on Saturday in the Jacksons
point park at I believe it is the most sold
out of all the the birch cut out so there
should be a lot of really cool ... decorated persbericht
... to look at I think they have over thirty
vendors there there's gonna be music there so hopefully they
have nice weather and ... if you have a chance
to check it out perch festival glasses point park at
on Saturday
and members of council who also put is putting their
perch and I know I've got mine the about to
go in as anybody else the got and you can't
use one from previous years
aw well there's still time you've got today so if
we finish our meeting early enough long is a pain
to drive you can finish it up accounts receivable and
then I've got councillor hurting throughout America little Birdy that
members of council have until Saturday morning to do their
perch all really all in all I was told today
so maybe you got special dispensation so okay so you're
you got till Saturday morning bright and early so anyway
council Harding you had your hand up
yes I came out of where I just wanted to
mention that ... on the long weekend was the ...
Angola
our picnic and the lions car show mom this was
the biggest event that we've had as far as for
people and ... antique cars or silver two hundred cars
I. anti cars over there are just such a whole
memorabilia self I mean to and I agree that was
a car lover that didn't get out market down for
next year ... but yeah it was a fantastic event
job what are pretty much without a hitch so ...
there's a lot of parking issues and stuff and I
think we're gonna remedy down for next year ... and
all before too long in the next couple weeks so
I just wanna thank people that were involved in
... it was a great job that was done and
... I
... for the opening ceremonies it's nice to see you
there and ... what not but I just thought I
would mention that thank you thank you in and it's
nice to see so many of the events coming back
that so we haven't been able to have the last
couple years and answer in the car show and it
was it was packed so there is cars there and
feed into the field was full of parking lots were
full so well done to the lines will then to
par for the picnic it's always a great event for
families to get out enjoy some family fun together so
well done to all the volunteers are there any other
community announcements from members of council
I don't see any other hands going up of introduction
of addendum items Madame clerk I believe we do have
an addendum
thank you Madame error and just before I mentioned you
done them I just wanted to mention that sat at
the beginning of the meeting there was a slight technical
issue and so the audio did not kick in until
the roll call
Mr the moment of meditation and so that helps me
make there okay so ... do you wanted us to
do the addendum and I will mention the two international
we have an addendum today item twelve one D. aid
we received additional correspondence from K. and Erin Raymond and
item eighteen one DD are proposed or pending acquisition or
disposition of lands by the municipality or local board for
brokerage drive and not agenda has been posted on our
website
great thank you under the moment of meditation I did
ask up from members of council to remember the family
and friends of two individuals one being Fran Wheeler ...
she was the wife of our long serving a regional
councillor Danny Wheeler and she passed away a couple weeks
ago and as I said to to know Fran was
to love Fran and she was a very special person
very warm hearted person and and she will be missed
greatly by by your family and friends the other individual
was a former town employee he's been had been retired
for a number of years I can remember going his
to his retirement probably thirty years ago any work for
the town for about thirty years a person lands in
the roads department his son Sunbury lance retired a couple
years ago and I believe his daughter in law works
for the town but again Percy worked with the town
when the
you know the roads were mostly
gravel there wasn't a hard service payments it was you
know it you went out you greater the roads on
our on a regular basis and and certainly ... ...
we appreciate the work that that Mr Linstead town during
his tenure here with the town so both of those
individuals were mentioned other under a moment of meditation ...
let's see I need to and approval of the agenda
as amended
moved by councillor Fellini seconded by
councillor Waddington nobody has a card today I just a
little hands going up of all those in favor
opposed to and that's carried of declarations of pecuniary interest
and general nature there of
regional council grassy
thank you
I will declare a conflict
with respect to item G. H. in reports
adult role bolster lexical region conservation authority ministry bachelors of
arts are provided extreme the owners Carol and Robert Rossi
however since integrity commissioner the council have ruled against our
ownership I will declare call what so as not to
correct hello
so that's item twelve one G. NH correct just just
clarifying yes okay great thank you for for that are
there any other declarations of pecuniary interest
not seen a hands going up I'll move on to
adoption of the minutes of the council meeting held on
June twenty second and the council meeting held on July
thirteenth are there any questions or comments on those accounts
receivable
thank you through an American happy to move approval of
those minutes but I did notice on page seven of
the first set of minutes which is page fourteen of
our agenda ... there's that title and it says town
old when it should say town owned okay just a
little table but it could be a big one so
I mentioned it to take care of the lands and
I'm sure they'll fix it okay wanted to mention that
great in your moving the adoption of those minutes moved
by councillor Sabo seconded by
councillor Harding all those in favor
lows and that's carried on now we're into this section
of the meeting for speakers and I believe we do
have three different speakers that have registered today to speak
on the first one is the Colin brown you'll be
speaking on items twelve one G. N. H. S. T.
in attendance at this time
if you can on mute
Madame part was good morning there is if if you
can ... state your name and address for our records
Mister brown and you do have five minutes and I
would ask you to keep to the two reports that
are the contents and and are the two reports twelve
one G. and H. thank you
very much about America Colin brown I'm from HHO law
firm seventeen three sixty young street Newmarket Ontario welcome
thank you I appreciate that are
I have clients who received a letter
last week or maybe with the week before sorry ...
from the town our
putting out that the town was interested in
and whether these
all in it with events although lake drive resident
would be interesting and purchasing from the town lands between
the lake and lake drive road should it choose to
divest itself of these plans
so I on behalf of my clients I wrote the
town and honest ... could account clearly identify the road
allowances relates to our clients property
in particular and the shoreline in general
and
once back from council for the town
can I question
that the town is not prepared to identify the road
allowance for the property
and I am suggesting that the reason the town is
not prepared to do that look at the Cao can't
do that
... there is a process by which the town could
established what the road allowance is within the boundaries action
on
and it would that process would allow
residents to
receive notice of what the town
after take appropriate steps to set out what the right
amounts it
and would allow them to object if you disagree
and it would allow hearing to be had
and if there is any disputes with the hearing they're
going to pay off
but ... and suggesting that the process that the town
is implementation ... takes away all those procedural rights from
the residents
and as such is unfair
so for instance I when this
lake drive action plan with
our first figure out
... at the time the town with our under the
...
the fight that it owns ninety percent or more of
these properties
and there's 400 residents are being asked you out
now at 5 whether they
we take a process where they which purchased our
alliance with that that the town
not even known it had been established it on
that's unfair to these resident's account should establish its right
first
more than that there's not a promised any individual Robert
Rick resident that it faded agree to a pretty standard
process plus languages Wilson
not clear at the end of the
process the data 5 by the town
the third step action plan sept 13 and 14
the town is still going
both the cards whether to are actually relinquish something which
it had been established I don't at this point
and at the same time a long history of where
people are granted permits to maintain their they're both houses
are doctor I can make small improvements and those the
night ...
because the town says you have to prove the on
it
where's the town hasn't proved any ownership interest at all
in those circumstances we say it's unfair to upset a
long established process
and all these people to a standard that the town
itself is not willing to accept
I'm
and as I said earlier it is argued that the
whole process was based on it an incorrect assumption
I would actually own all these plans
we're not more of them
and despite the fact that that assumption now like I
do not believe the town or or exploit equipped with
call to action
nonetheless are still following that same process
so it's our position that that's unfairly prejudicial to the
to the residents of the township follow the process and
... and the boundaries act
thank you
thank you very much Mr brown are there any questions
or comments to Mr brown at this time
seeing none just a motion to receive those comments
moved by
accounts receivable seconded by
councillor Leny Dennis in your hand up yes all those
in favor
yeah I would assume regional council grassy are you declared
a conflict on this or not I don't know I
will say you voted I'll say don't worry about it
that's it's all good ... so that that carries okay
... thank you Mr brown I let you go now
and next we have a
Ashley and Adam much
I let them come forward ... they're speaking on item
number thirteen one V. and actually it is the letter
and we go to pay the bills look here
eight one ninety nine it is actually a letter from
... from Ashley's in a petition so let's pull it
forward and we'll we'll do the discussion after ...
both Ashley and Adam speak so who wants to go
first Ashley are you there are you both going to
speak separately or is this sort of a combined
not sure where they are they there Madame clerk
they are able just be near me
just be Ashley
yes sorry Montemayor
I'm out I know everybody it's a process so if
you can state your name and it's full address you
do have five minutes to speak to the item thirteen
one B. and then what we'll do is we'll bring
forward to ... that letter and asked staff to go
over some of the issue they don't maybe have all
the answers to your questions right now but I believe
they do want to to mention a few things so
I'll let you go ahead you have five minutes
okay thank you so my name is Ashley much I
live at forty four river ridge drive
in Catholic L. four P. two and nine and so
basically what I'm here to bring in I have more
detailed records of all the efforts that I tried to
me but are you do you have what justify Marie
of one I reached out and one I've asked for
help on behalf of other residents on river edge so
basically it all began for timber twenty nineteen because we
had just moved in in July and Paul Gary quickly
how dangerous for Streeter is very narrow and winding you
and there's little hills and blind spot and people need
like recklessly down the street so in September twenty nineteen
I first reached out to council about changes
and asking for help with speed rushers in the town
and again in December twenty nineteen and then again in
July twenty twenty August twenty twenty September twenty twenty I
reported to the York regional police about a road watch
like issue over the meeting concerns and then by October
twenty twenty I started an online petition which has over
a hundred and seventy one people find and then again
in November twenty twenty
finally a road track was sent to the house
so after a year of offering someone actually came to
the help to do some data collection and the the
diet there will be a complete report by February twenty
twenty one and by need twenty twenty one I was
following up asking about what speed reduction measures will be
happening and we were informed that road rage with a
possible site for the flexible bollards just waiting for a
review and then by June twenty twenty one we were
told that the studies were completed in some form of
action will be taken and then by August twenty twenty
one we were told that the request will still be
kept moving show them by February twenty twenty two after
nothing had been done I was following up and letting
the note letting the town no it's still very dangerous
on the street and we were then told that we
would not be getting the flexible bollards but there would
be consideration for additional traffic calming measures and starting stage
one of the speeding precautions and then by April twenty
twenty two I emailed out being the police again for
more help and more police presence and then after nothing
happened
why are
my neighbors if they would find a letter or a
Patricia and I didn't realize that wasn't under the meniscal
act ... I guess formality however they did find out
later understanding diet we want change on the street and
they were happy and wanted to welcome any sort of
change so we are proposed
the bond lowered speed limits on the street B. cameras
any change would be welcome at that point that would
help with any sort of speed reduction measures I submitted
that to everyone in the town that I'd been speaking
to along with the mayor and other members of council
on July eleventh
and then now I'm speaking accountable what I'm asking for
change the street is one three I understand the petition
does not follow the miss black however boulder the majority
of the street are voicing along with me that we
feel unsafe in our own neighborhood we don't even like
walking down our street it is very scary there's no
sidewalk people are speeding we to recklessly and I'm asking
if anything can be done any measure would be appreciated
but I've been up in terms of time between nineteen
and nothing happened the one behind did not deter anybody
at the people I spoke to one are doing the
petition were upset but nothing more had been done so
I'm wondering along with all the recommendations in the latter
could our street potentially be considered a community safety zone
could be get rumble strips could we get P. P.
P. V. or you camera
basically I'm I'm just asking for some sort of change
to happen because it it's been about three years and
it's not giving anything ...
we do we just need help plan here okay no
I understand
I understand completely what you're what you're saying and and
without roads and when I spoke with Mr Abbas he
pointed out quite correctly that it's one of the few
street that runs from the Queensway to Woodbine that has
no ... there's no side street is no stop signs
there's no school zones there's nothing to slow people down
and and it is a bit of a wine the
assignment turns and curves and hills so I'm going to
let ... Mr Bossert come forward because they do have
some ideas of something that they could put into place
and perhaps we can do some suggestions for some other
things that they could put in solid Mr Voss speak
and ... hopefully we can get some ... some answers
that challenge you will appreciate so hang on just Amalek
Mr Bostic
thank you
excellent
good morning about a bear members of council and the
best much thanks for your for your notes there on
the phone ... I feel like it's been awhile since
two months okay so so
we have a great summer so I
yeah I guess in anticipation of having this discussion we
just call kind of all of our records as related
to beverage together to make sure that we have a
full understanding of the actions that have taken place I'm
from the town's perspective I just want to ensure residents
that we we have a bit sitting idle on this
for for close to three years ...
shortly after at some of the concerns and complaints come
forward we often do you traffic speed and volume studies
to kind of validate some of the concerns from residents
... any resting and whatever questions or speak volumes study
I would typically conduct the speaking voice studies over a
two week period to understand ... right and it's a
normalized if there's you know events on weekends or our
rainy Saturday you might not that big same expected volumes
we did over to be
um so the studies have been conducted that consistently I
guess over the past couple years I didn't as far
back as I said staff November tenth twenty twenty
9/9/2020
November fifth twenty twenty one and as late as June
second twenty twenty two so pretty consistent in terms of
... and it is and it's it's simply in a
reaction to some of the concerns raised by residents
I'm
where with those speak volumes studies are we've also deployed
the trailer at this month's had indicated ... which is
kind of the instant feedback radar signs it's a large
large trailers
space and it also conducts speak volumes studies while it
provides instant feedback to drivers of their speed so it's
meant as kind of a quick reaction School from the
town to
try to assist with some of the speeding but also
gain data at the same time
so in in in all five with five separate several
sets of data to kind of interpret in all five
sets I think we've we've discussed the eighty fifth percentile
many times it's it's kind of what we base ...
traffic calming policy on it's the it's the normalized speed
that a driver will driving I it's what's used in
designing and engineering our roads as well as traffic calming
our databases I so we know 5 instances
... ... sense how was within the decide script roads
means it wasn't within the twenty or twenty percent
of the of the posted speed limit the highest being
out forty eight Congress Grauer
in two of the studs so there is right on
the cost of what we consider requiring you know traffic
calming or something it's you to slow what work restricts
drivers speeding
over the speed limit by twenty percent and that's why
this past spring be brought forward in the traffic yeah
for spring at a traffic report to install some oversized
forty longer in our signage as well as some durable
marking so the door markings are four four height four
foot by three foot ... markings that actually are on
the road and their their ... sticks to the road
... by torch and it's just it's an eight an
additional visual measure that we thought okay it's it's set
not sort out of the property doesn't meet the threshold
for actually going to it step one condition however it's
noted that there are some very excessive speeds through the
day that we have there are some very excess excessive
speeds and understanding it is eight eight million Kirby road
... thought that says some of the very soft changes
such as oversized signage and and from the community support
it's clear that there there should be something done here
however going by the policy buyer information we have at
our fingertips it doesn't really
I guess justified to install some of the permanent fixtures
SO zero traffic calming including the bollards
just on the bowlers specifically we did look back and
in the records and ...
it seemed like there was some some email communication back
and forth what whether it was accurate or not it's
time
it didn't in indicating that was on a list or
was not a list it was on a list at
one time when we first reached out to members of
council at the initial pilot stage and asked for a
short list of locations that would be ideal candidates from
their perspective
following that but we did all the studies and kind
of validated what actually require traffic what did so there's
been quite a bit of work ... or or or
back when it is study outside of beverage that being
said it doesn't you don't meet the policy requirements for
adding any statistical changes are physical barriers ... just one
other statistic I guess is ... on the speed over
so we we look at aggregate data and analyze data
but we also want understand like what percentage of people
are you know over the speed limit over fifty year
over sixty dollars an hour
just to give you a perspective in the most recent
study other was fifty drivers out of nine thousand that
drove over sixty commerce in our speech study it cheap
so it's half of one percent of the total drivers
and just to give perspective what we we never to
sign or react to the half percent wheat we always
design and reacts to the majority or the not the
eighty six percent
so that's just just to give some perspective on
if if we if we react and I guess it
in in a sense of a half percent we'd be
putting a lot of devices everywhere ... and that's why
we use aggregate data that's why we do speak volumes
studies
all over town all all the time they're always deployed
fifty two weeks a year they're deployed to get good
data so we can make good informed decisions
I guess where that we're that we're doing is that
we we were asked to our base for
if you are speed hawk trial say it came from
city streets committee I want to council and as been
directed the staff to review that we're we're planning on
coming back on September twenty eighth I think it's the
twenty eight the last meeting in September fourteenth wanted to
... and we're coming back in it reviving a summary
... it is eight eight eight true pilot program we
were starting up three and post speeds or reinstall the
speed humps ... if it is council's direction we could
include river edge given the committees or
right right just part of that pilot program but out
but I'll leave that decision up to council we
thanks Mr austenite and I know ... you know when
we have to have policies to to put parameters around
many of our our programs and and services so I
get it that it may not reach the threshold but
as as we've all indicated it is a a narrow
winding road and there is nothing on that road that
is slowing people down like we've discussed there's no schools
own there's no side streets that commandos or other stop
signs there's nothing so
it it does become you know a bit of a
of a faster route at times for some people and
and not for everyone but but certainly ... you know
some of the speeds as you mentioned are are excessive
even if the rest are within that eighty fifth percentile
... certainly I would be ... in favor of including
the average in the US the pilot project for the
speed humps and I guess we'll get more details at
that meeting but can you just give us an idea
when that pilot project would start ... just over the
residents on river edge would know if it's included when
would they be looking to see a speed hump go
on to the road isn't this fall or is it
next spring or what
yes you Madame there I'd ideally we are installing one
this fall at least the first location to be studied
follow up by hopefully future locations in the spring provided
everything works out the speed humps does differ then speed
bumps speed tables that have been discussed in the past
where you typically get some some by ... I guess
I assume restricted feedback from emergency services whether that's ambulance
or fire and in that side on our roads especially
like river ridge where there is no there's nobody available
by pass for that road specifically it's not a kind
of a great hi subdivision ... it does speak that
tables and speed bumps might be restricted in terms of
their speed now speed humps have been proven to I'd
not slow emergency vehicles not are focusing on those at
this point they have a bit more of a gap
in the battle that allows R. one one tire track
to stay on flat ground at any one time
... and ... yeah yeah it will be coming back
it's a terrible some of the design graphics not something
that would be focusing on
and actually it also mentions like rumble strips is there
anything to within our policy that we could any other
thing if we if we're saying we can't do bollards
which you know that's up to council of we wanted
to say Riverhead should should get bollards week we can
certainly do that and and that may be what we
end up requesting certainly got program is nearing the end
of the season at all we have any after ballers
hanging around to be able to put up at this
point ... but I would not be adverse especially in
in an area that doesn't have any
other mechanism that slowing the traffic down between Woodbine and
the and the queen's way I I think we do
owe it to the residents to do something ... whether
that serve the public project for the speed hump and
and see what that brings forward or whether we see
about putting the you know sort of bollards in at
some point along the river edge just to you know
give some method of slowing down the ... the vehicles
that tend to the few that that tend to speed
along there and I get it we could put speed
bollards everywhere and you know then they become you know
... something that ... that they're not meant to I'm
not meant to be so ...
I think I saw regional council Rossi's hand up and
then maybe at the end will will let Ashley ...
make some other comments but I would certainly be supportive
of us
moving a river edge on to the the speed hump
program and to see if we can put some some
ballers out even if it's you know this late in
the summer season better late than never so regional council
rustic
thank you Stross I don't know what you could answer
this question sure what services all up with the Catholic
secondary plan identified that there will be three roads that
were thrown roads from the Queensway to what by as
part of the secondary plan one would be closer to
you second will be port
the third would be dovetailed
don't tell as everyone knows has had a spate but
it's still close and I guess it's pending eight some
sort of agreement so my first question is how quickly
can we get dovetailed open supposed to be the matrix
row road block but throat between the queen's way at
what point out to you why is there a delay
how quickly
I have worked with
it was
yes are you Madame
... advocate response across yet search you Mr lectures I
believe that there is some about language in the subdivision
agreement
after
I think all I ask right now gonna happy to
address that question is a lot more details on the
status of the development of the subdivision that's
all their
thank you through you madam mayor ... for don't deal
there are still houses to be constructed of fronting onto
dumbed down only access will be off of dovetailed so
we don't want that construction ... traffic to be mixing
up with the residential traffic so for that reason that's
the delay for opening up the
Dallek's tension as well as to still some above ground
works that have to be completed ... on that engine
so we expect that to be open by next year
so just as a follow tip Mr letters at a
stroke about we have lots of construction projects that are
current the child this is a key electrics that we
identified
probably twenty five years ago is there a way we
can have that opened at least to some degree we
have lots of areas where there's construction going on the
traffic out still aspects or wait
it seems that it will it's it's just it's gonna
be a continual delight why can't we at least get
particle
sorry I'm not American I'll ask Mr automatic to address
that I know it's it's not an existing road St
new roads so I don't know what the standard is
and I think the concern is if you bring it
to a standard for through traffic and the amount of
the structure and will damage it but again Mr all
gonna be used is there a way that we could
facilitate maybe at top gold or I mean at a
base coat of asphalt that still could be open to
the public in some fashion ... or is this something
that you strongly would recommend
I I wouldn't recommend opening it because from a safety
point of view it would be a concern the only
access to those lots is going to be awful downstairs
so when they're going to be building those houses there's
going to be constantly construction traffic going in and out
... and died all that truck traffic is going to
be there so again from I think from a safety
point of view we thought it was asked to delay
opening that's as well as as they finish the above
ground I'll works on DuckTales the other alternative is to
possibly ... open up the road and then close it
as they do the construction and then reopen it again
so I think the best thing is to complete the
construction of those homes and then open up that role
just because we don't want to have all that you
know construction traffic matching up with that residential traffic
all gonna be based on what we've seen so far
are you suggesting that that role could boast for at
least another two years or three years the timing with
respect to the developer what's seems to be pretty slow
so it is there can you give us some sort
of an idea for the residents that live there at
for the rest of each travel east of west oak
plant which was backed up major us wrote me some
sort of a time for yes we expect that to
be open by the end of next year
so that's clearly an additional sixteen seventeen months where people
drive by there knowing that there's a connection the cactus
for
so
so I would respectfully suggest that we have to do
something it puts a lot of pressure on other roads
within the council area that shouldn't occur we should do
everything in our power to make sure that the act
that collector road major collector road gets opened up and
that we do what we can to at least allow
some traffic so it will soften River rich those two
roads were never built well we just don't work on
up on river glad we didn't urbanized both ends of
that road because we want people to still issue and
user as well as a local road not as a
collector so it just seems to be sold long trying
to get this opened up because it's been
how long has it been since the discussion took place
that don't deal is going to be a major collector
it's been a long discussion
you know it and again I think part of the
reason is is that the town did not take on
the job itself and paid for itself it wanted to
ensure that the developer would pay for a pop good
share that road so if the town I decided to
try and or finance the development of eight four of
the road got it here's our local from a financial
perspective that wasn't the best option so there's a balancing
act on the timing based on the developer and that
what we see is is the completion of the road
so that that's the issue that it's developer driven more
than town Grogan
well again to Mr all gonna happy just on the
idea of having the road open
for a period of time thanks closing at while the
construction happens
yes is that and I can maybe to council is
that something you'd like us to explore
well so if you're asking me anything that would move
traffic East West I think there's a positive and when
you say open up and close it I'm sure it
was ... construction traffic because it happens on every other
road in the town of Georgian ... whether crystal structure
you can call us on it after a trip basis
yeah there's lots of different medications that you could do
you don't just stop up close the road because you're
building three houses your your make accommodations so that people
can book yes there was a construction worker I'm not
I don't understand why you would have to be closed
completely you're construction
yeah
sorry about emergency response thank you ... yeah all you're
right we can generate road as an example where it's
been close but just straight trip but it's not the
same volumes as well call traffic goes through so it's
a little bit of a different situation given the that
the traffic that would be going across there so the
lawyers will be higher but to Mr all gonna be
I I think yes if you can work with the
developer to to make a plan that allows for construction
and traffic that I think we should be looking at
that and ... and to attract to alleviate concerns are
expressed
so if we can leave that with with you Mr
lanterns Mr all gonna be ... to to try to
come back to us or to you know work with
a developer ... because I know I get asked on
a regular basis as I'm sure other members of council
do so if we can take a look at what
can be done to speed that up I think that
would be good which accounts across the final comment on
can we get back to the
so that's another question and so with respect to that
Mister Rogers how could we use that for with respect
to your suggestion Mr all gonna be working with the
developers to make that happen
three out of marriage like to sit down with Mr
all gonna meet and discuss a little further that will
bring the developer into the conversation I will attempt to
come up with a plan
and we can now keep council will once that happens
we can't let council know
I'll be sure to email I don't think we need
a record no
email and we'll figure out something
thank you very much I appreciate that at the Mr
Wallace is there any way that we can immediately sign
I think we care both the river let regret just
local traffic only
do something idle accounts reflect on the city streets I'm
not sure whether it needs to go there or whether
we can just go ahead and do it ... crystal
streets were intended for local traffic only anyways is there
anyway or do we need to pass a bylaw or
something that would identify those streets as being local traffic
only which would at least I don't sign still made
everything but least they would put something in place that
would help identify what's respectable school street can I put
local traffic only sign up now
three men Ameritas search results across yet we would have
to pass bylaw because their regulatory sites but
we can definitely come back in and up to provide
that as an option
part of this program
just to follow one last question as far as other
mitigation measures that we can do it like I know
there's been some discussed rumble strips at that speed also
affects like that up is there anything else I mean
it because of the fact that the streets were not
kept and you know what all you gotta do is
look at rivers one
what's going to happen over there what's the construction on
the east side what blind what's the proposed ...
once on the north side RiverClan
and the current conditions after about plaza I mean there's
gotta be something we can
so at least identify that something has to be done
until Doug Steele gets open to provide that extra slippages
or anything else that can be done I don't recall
traffic it puts something else that identifies those street says
being something other that's route restricts
yes we met up there at every other that additional
signage proceed to your earlier point
it's it's likely at this point given the community support
what about the data doesn't support that the policy decision
but the community support is looking to require something that
we would that we would need something
is it cold in order to change the driver's behavior
... and so what what we have in place today
is just oversight sites such kind of like the softest
step one we can do that we don't have the
support from the five studies that we've done on that
section of road ... beyond that I believe our our
our engineering tax indicated that there is a durable markings
will be in place by the end of August
he received the week of August twentieth twenty second so
those should also assess because again it's another visual deterrent
but it's different than a sign on the road it
will definitely catch more attention than a regular you know
another sign and we see it we see a lake
drive we see actually on regrets required to submit a
sign there's there's so many signs that you end up
... you know adding another one like that is not
gonna have a huge or dramatic impact drivers behavior so
that we do have to look at alternatives I think
you said these terrible markets will be the first Houston
Georgie on out on the roads if you drive on
Wharton it's like we see that the fifty kilometer per
hour markings or in
ranging yeah rates you
so to be similar markings but I'm town a town
owned roads this will be the first of its kind
so we're we're gonna try and we're going to study
it and see that hopefully see some some some better
results than what we're seeing today so at the appropriate
time better products motion the
how are works department strip strip lost stalled local traffic
over size local traffic only signs at both ends of
this road as usual mitigation factor
... we've got a smaller speakers coming up here ...
we were good will come back to that suggestion a
motion just before at the counter fleet accounts or Washington
... the request was or the mention was made by
this much that to ...
a community safety zone and I don't know if that
is something that can be looked at further I don't
know if the studies warrant from the community safety zone
because
you can make a community savings opportunity enforcement than to
you know put the the ticket to the to the
driver that's a higher rate is and is that something
that has been looked at in terms of community safety
zone for river edge
sorry Mr Boston yes sorry Medicare by my audio just
cut right
it's a difficulties but soon I guess yeah
I I heard I heard the local traffic only use
okay I was asking the for community safety zone if
that was something that was possible to put on to
read certainly knowing that a community safety zone on it's
own doesn't you know put a sign up is another
sign but it's it's the enforcement by wire P. to
give that ticket to that's increased so is that something
that's been locked out of order so does the data
not supported community safety zone so the bathroom out of
fear that the the typical day trip you steps out
it's it's you know it as we've discussed many times
... adjacent to parks community events spaces those types there
so River blood doesn't really meet the criteria a community
safety some personal personal schools for example that type of
thing ... I believe I was sad I had a
staff
I just on a response back yet whether it was
signed at six on at one point because I as
of twenty fourteen it looks like it was but I'm
not sure it's it's still scientists community safety song that's
what someone topic somebody else look at that however
from from what we would look at Florida doesn't really
meet the requirements however it's it's always council's decision to
... to pass a by law to make the community
safety zone and it it it it I don't think
it ever hurts
wouldn't meet the typical criteria you six and we need
to be foresight as you might need them horsemen are
cancer Fellini you had your hand up
good morning everybody just a couple of comments if I
could please
yesterday I had the pleasure of driving up North York
what it also
four wanna kill Street I went to ... southbound on
geo as it turned right onto rustic
I think
to my surprise there was speed humps all the way
down that road which was awesome because you could see
that people are actually slowing down
the speed limit on that road Mr clubbers sign was
up saying three six sorts struck asri sleep so it
was it was awesome this year so have you done
that but forty my date went long longer than I
had expected study get chance less than two up ask
the questions that I want to us and I will
take this offline ask questions
but again why could we not put some the speed
humps at one not on river edge I think we
should know what they're doing the the pilot projects are
written us to have average included with that and and
gather the data and and see as as if you
suggest that your experience that it can help and I
I believe it would ... we just need to get
it included in the ... the pilot project and that's
really of comments thank you so much okay I'll councillor
Washington I know you're involved on the safe streets so
I'm sure you have some comments or questions
through you ... first with a a with a comment
... this the street to come up a number of
times with the S. A. streets committee I actually think
it was myself who originally proposed that it be reviewed
for a for bollards however Mr boss ... and the
... that the members of staff that were on the
committee before him ...
you know clearly went through to the studies and the
data shows that
it's not quite as bad as what to people usually
believe it to be as Mike mentioned only in fifty
instances out of nine thousand I think is what you
it said ... was was it actually ...
really out there
Mr Voss the that
clearly shows that that that no action
should be necessary however it's it's the will of council
to implement ...
you don't speed reduction measures and make make adjustments to
the the road as or from what what what it
was originally intended to ... to be driven at them
hello this up to potentially anybody from
our legal department that's on here
does it
potentially make us liable for something if we make a
decision to change the traffic flow of a road that
clearly shows or that the data clearly shows should not
be addressed
in terms of making it on a local road or
community safety zone that type of thing put in speed
bumps put in bollards out and stop signs making physical
changes to the the traffic flow of the road when
when data demonstrates and argues that it shouldn't be done
I'm not sure who wants to answer that maybe then
and if there's nobody on here to actually answer like
I apologize not nervous about looking there is methadone
... thanks matter matter ... through you to cancer Waddington
...
but I think the the most straightforward answer I can
give to the question is
we can be liable if we're negligent
so if we
make a change to the status of a road even
though the data dozens order ...
our liability would stem from perhaps going in the opposite
direction it's we ... it took a step that
you for instance raise the speed limit or something like
that and someone got into an accident that that was
reasonable to that step that would be something to be
concerned about I think if we if we go in
the opposite direction I'm not really seeing a practical sources
liability to be honest with you ...
again just to sum up we need to do something
that is negligent not not something that
doesn't go right by the book if you if you
see the difference yeah I die ... ... like I
really appreciate you you're making clarification out of ... or
search you clarified this ...
I uh appreciate that thank you ... with regards to
answer not to to you anymore Mike ... or to
at least the other mica Mr boss
if the local traffic only science were to be installed
...
consider me a limit on this what is the intention
of those signs were those sides
about American also wanted to
would just be a visual deterrent are possible or study
important around it's actually worse so someone has to be
there to enforce the local traffic
sure enough up someone for snow ... obviously difficult but
what are what are they enforcing ... if somebody lives
two hundred meters away from this road are they considered
local if somebody's going to the marina on that road
are they considered local if somebody's just going from you
know one side of the Queensway to what point is
that considered local
I I'm I'm curious what we're trying to enforce if
we're gonna at those sites
at three three about America's a lot and I I
don't have the definition of the local traffic yes sign
and I'd be happy to provide that feedback to you
... however it would it would be another sign that
would be a visual deterrent and to your point likely
difficult to enforce spot someone turning down there could turn
around if they see the sign that says local truck
if there is no sign they would not know that
the road is intended for local traffic alright so
but that's the best answer
thank you Mr Bossert pre should that with regards to
... speed humps speed cushions pillows those kind of measures
how frequently would you say that they're implemented on roads
that have forty one or in our speed limits versus
as a councillor pleaded mentioned he witnessed the monarch on
a road that has a thirty one an hour speed
limit
about a bear council audit send out in our research
this past summer
already of the instances of speed humps have been placed
on out from our research forty and fifty Auburn our
roads and typically those that had a focus of
speed
excessive volumes speeders about
be at
in the cases that we are reading about sixty climbers
per hour so they were looking at a percentage greater
than acts of speeders over sixty commerce for our limits
so and that's where the speed humps it showed the
greatest potential for production is in the highest speeders ...
dropping that speed that naturally ... because those that are
traffic speed limit can't live to continue to travel speed
limit or close to it over the speed helps
amazing as Ross are really appreciate that that with regard
to this topic ... and as I mentioned it's it's
come up a lot on the ... the safe streets
I think it's ... I think it's ideal to try
the pilot ... or or add it to the to
the list ... for the a pilot program that we're
going to be going into I think it's got potential
and if it doesn't work well it's a pilot and
we can change your mind ... as for a community
safety zone we're sorry I was for local traffic only
signs
I'm
I'm not supportive of adding something that we either have
no ability to enforce or no real am as to
what we're trying to enforce ... so I I would
be supportive of the ...
the speed pillow cushion I can't bear with the with
the actual ... a term was ... however right I
don't know that the science we'll do what we're intended
for them to do
okay ... I cut council for any accounts receivable the
US and I I will just make one comment about
the local traffic signs I know we've had the requested
in in areas along the lake drive from residents that
don't want to cars going down the road some because
of trying to access the lake or access metro road
and we
okay because of what you just said in terms of
how do you enforce who's local ... what is a
local traffic
person I think the intent is just to try to
deter somebody maybe from out of town or not familiar
with the area and same old I shouldn't drive down
there I don't think that the a lot of the
local traffic that's going on that road is necessarily going
to stop going on that road for local traffic sign
so I'm I'm not I'm sort of on the fence
of the rest of council wants to to go with
local traffic signs ... I would prefer that we try
to do something maybe that to a little more concrete
in terms of actual having some
impact that we can measure ... and that has you
know like I said they're they're putting up some ballers
I'd rather see some ballers go up this this summer
and and get it on the the pilot project the
necessarily ... another sign that somebody may not even see
and may just choose to ignore because it's not enforced
L. 30
thank you through Medicare ... just something that I don't
believe has been mentioned as of yet is the program
that we have that we're we offer residents the opportunity
to requests ... cautioned watch out for children signs I
believe residents have an opportunity that they can they can
... pay for a portion of the cost of that
sign in and get them installed in the area near
their home where where they're concerned about speeding so I'm
just curious whether missed lunch hasn't requested a caution children
playing sign or whether Mr boss knows how many there
are on on the river as strive
Mr Abbas are there any other signs of that nature
up on river edge
I do not know at this time but would be
happy to find out okay
other questions or comments some regional council granted you want
to put your motion on the floor about the local
only signs or do you want yes sh sure I'll
just ask Mr Bosco
no I don't want to get to it what what
is site but ...
L. I. with six site says local traffic all the
would be much the same the science say or at
least identify there is a box at the road ahead
or there's a curve in the road and that you
should take whatever appropriate actions you're saying that roadway so
something that merely says ... you know local traffic only
would be a deterrent to someone would normally live in
that area no doubt role was a through road
and that road although we don't want to identify it
as a through route purpose other traffic from local traffic
it's up to them but I can't understand so could
you explain to me definition of what a site as
I guess we want to go over to that debate
does the sign mean that we're going to do the
enforcement with respect to that site or is it moral
science just to identify what's coming up on the road
or that it might be some sort of a deterrent
masking Mr boss and then I understood okay and then
I have cheap Jenkins that has put his hand up
so maybe Mr Abbas and then we can
I don't wanna forget to achieve Jenkins wants to make
sure
three about average across across the in terms of the
types of signs there's warning signs in regulatory science as
well as a separate condition side so the orange signs
for construction so
if you're asking for like the definition of a sign
it would be I guess at a visual a visual
aid to indicate the condition had
so it was a local traffic only meant to be
a deterrent to those that
dot building area or what well I try to attempt
to use that road ... other than
another major Searle for
yeah I would yes I would agree that it would
be a visual deterrent that someone would read that side
and understand that that road is meant for residential traffic
and doctor through trust great thanks so well that's All
I Want to do so okay corporate travel okay let
me get too cheap Jenkins I will come back to
... to you Cicek and
thank you thank you Madame mayor just a
Mr bosses is quite capable of looking after the interests
of farmers response but I felt I needed to mention
that ... sort of emergency services are not in favor
of some of speed bumps speed humps they do slow
us significantly want one speed hump or speed bump typically
will not slow down traffic all we've got to to
Mr foster to to speak more of if if needed
but we really and truly have to slower response vehicles
down almost to a stop to get over those those
house obviously response seconds count
a speed hump in slow us down anywhere from five
to ten seconds if you have numerous speed humps along
a roadway second slower response
and the inability to thirty seconds up to maybe possibly
a minute if there was a six or seven speed
up along that roadway so I just I don't know
Mr Bastable consider this in future discussions about fire services
need to be part of these discussions from a response
perspective I just want to make council where
thank you Jeff Jenkins ... okay so if we want
to um well let regional council grass you put forward
his motion but I think we need to separate out
because I can see there's some support for the local
only signs and some not ... Ashley did you have
any comments on on this discussion at this point I'll
give you a couple minutes just to
weigh in on young enough what I've heard
oh I'm sorry my dog in my on you did
not America yeah you run units okay we all have
dogs of ordering ranging happens
I know I'm sorry if that'll work from home but
I know what you just to follow up if I
could ... with respect to the data I love that
have been studied and I appreciate that very much but
maybe the three to jump on no matter what their
speed the interest when people go forty kilometers per hour
I no matter what the threshold is maybe it sounds
like the street is being overview so it sounds like
just from the the discussion that the street wasn't intended
to have this much traffic and with all the different
factors a truly a complete so when I say other
factors I mean the winding up of the road ...
happy reading to part B. the little hills and get
from the blind spot from all the trees if it
doesn't seem like it was intended to be a through
street art and and I know that it was said
that it's not really appropriate for our community if you
don't but it is the G. thirty two paths that
lead to parks and people are using them and it's
really hard to be coming in and out of bounds
and when people are going even if it is forty
eight corners per hour which is apparently in the threshold
that's just not street so whether it's forty eight or
thirty eight homers for our people don't feel safe they
don't drop the speech and I understand the speed humps
slow down like the flow down emergency services will have
you but I feel like I am I clear guide
me in the most respectful may wait talk book I
feel that the amount of time that people feel like
they're about you need an emergency service or get hit
by a vehicle on a road out we've coming behind
there are emergencies on the street ... and I understand
that everyone reacted out I'm hold what have you but
we do have people pleading for help with the majority
of the people on the street
saying that the concern with the speed and I know
that the forty eight quarters which is in a threshold
of whatever the street and are you in intended for
people are still asking for change so are you I'm
really happy with the work like the request of all
the people in the former or the speed hump height
would be implemented for we're branch and even if we
don't meet the data and the policy to what have
you I think we do a mixture of everything happening
on the street we would be a good contender to
be included with those programs so if we could be
that would be appreciated and really if we had additional
force but I don't know who can
sort of I'm gonna let me here of the police
or what have you because I have asked several times
for them to be more question on the street I
know word of mouth spreads and help and even though
find a local traffic only if you have an important
for a couple of the year you can have some
serious change it will change behavior we did have to
sort of implement something to have that we can get
changed thank you so much I made I appreciate everyone
so and all three someone could ask me if I
had ever on after one of those sorry for the
children but only a couple children
I bought my own because I didn't know that there
was something that you could do your for your help
with my long that I got at the dollar store
but I didn't know that there was such a thing
so thank you well we'll we'll check in not into
that because there are a bigger metal sign there a
town sign or not just the I mean we we
are program last year that you know slow down you
know the yellow signs that we did these are official
signs you know ... that the town puts up in
Mr Rossell will check into into that so I'm gonna
bring it back to council for discussion ... I know
we've missed but a lot of time on this so
we can try to condense down and get to the
point of moving for with some recommendations I think if
we can
break it down into a request to include river edge
and in the pilot project for for the speed humps
if we can request that the location be secured for
ballers to go in ... and I'm not sure if
you want to put it in the same time as
you're doing the the project for the speed humps because
you wanna try to measure the speed humps but all
I would suggest that if we have a a subtle
bollards ... available that we put those up this year
in a location that is the most effective for for
... for a
the baller program and ... certainly the other things that
are happening ... the oversight signs and the markings on
the road and markers on the road to help because
I know I'm from original point of view we've done
them on the regional couple regional roads and they they
do help it's a visual ... ... yeah it really
is slower here ... and then the separate the motion
would be regional council Grassley's request for the local only
sign so we can split them down into those three
... request and then we can vote on each of
those council Harding you had to comment
yes just a couple of comments but there
a quick
I have in the past so
few years ... what I've been a firefighter and we'd
be in the back of an ambulance dot CPR on
somebody and when you hit those bollards it's not good
for whoever you're working on special compression used you're not
hitting the bollards and speed bumps for me St box
I'm sorry yes I can Waller's you might hit the
ball I don't think you're gonna
forget your those but not all that the speed bumps
are are really something that that really are not good
for
number she services especially for ambulance ... so that's All
I Want to mention on that the other thing is
is the
our local traffic sign only by a license plate on
my vehicle says I have an Ontario plates ... so
that's not a legal sign it still means that you
can travel on that road that's my impression I don't
know if our lawyer has any other you know we
have a look at that but I don't know how
so it always is that science gonna mean anything or
not I know that road strips ... you know the
the tactile of their down on ... reason should there
by your door and it works fantastic
so if you see that you're on your break pretty
much so but that's that's all I wanted to mention
yeah and I don't know the globally signs you know
can be a deterrent for some people but I really
don't know how enforceable they would be I don't know
of a York region police officer would pull somebody over
and and check to see if they are a resident
and what's what's a local resident what's not a local
resident site I don't want to give the impression that
the local only signs would would be enforceable they're more
of a personal deterrent to somebody who says oh geez
I guess I shouldn't drive down that that street Tom
it's supposed to be for local traffic but
anyway Mr bought to do wanna make any comment on
council Harding's questions yes three Madame justice just to clarify
that so like
essentially the how we track record it is very broad
saying that ... we can attract signs that provides information
to drivers if you have a driver's license
so you have to abide by those sites separate section
of highway traffic that would indicate that any municipality or
older ... or rotis already essentially can can choose to
put those signs and asset bylaw to export to have
forced it's the practicality of forcing bad section I which
I
very very difficult but
could be a visual deterrent yeah no problem okay so
we've got some of the suggestions that we've discussed here
so if we can put on a motion together I
don't know councillor Fellini I'll let you do a couple
of them if you want to ... request that some
river edge being put into the pilot project for ...
the the speed humps and you also want to request
that if there are bowlers available or that they can
be secured in a timely manner that ... a location
be secured on river edge for the flexible bollards you
want to do those
and also ... perhaps a children at play signed ...
to go up there and she I'm not sure if
you want to check into anything about the community safety
zones because it is close to a park I'll leave
that to you but there's there's those three and if
you want at the fourth and then ... let regional
council grounds to do his about the local signs and
he brought that up on the on his discussions that
good what she wanted to
I would like to think about America would like to
do all three if I could please what I would
like to also matches that I think we have an
interest of bollards that have been removed at the ice
palace I'm not sure where but somewhere else but
we may have some bars that we are able to
use
yeah the only Mr Ross three three about America councillor
Quemby though those are moved in advance of construction work
spot on works so they're they're they're going back in
place at the end of the structure
so they're a concept that is opportunities short thank you
note while you're while you're passing out it's is that
the bollards do require a by law for not stopping
around the bowlers otherwise you could create an impossible right
so we would need a biologic yeah we have to
come back same for the local only signs we need
a a by law to come back ... so again
it's it's the start of this and maybe we could
also ask ... that further investigation on the community safety
zone B. be investigated so maybe those four things councillor
Fellini
yes thank you yeah and I don't know if you
want to include regional council Rossi's or do you want
to do your separately regional council Rossi or what you
wanted to separate like
okay okay so we got to the counter Fellini and
a motion to receive the deputation by by Ashley Muench
okay so it's moved by accounts for fully do I
have a second ... for for that
I need a second or
seconded by councillor Harding okay questions or comments on on
that so we're asking staff to ...
but up the river edge into the
pilot project for the speed humps to install a ...
this season if possible ... flexible bollard and an appropriate
location on on river edge and to install in an
appropriate location the chill in that place sign maybe close
to where the park entrance comes out and to further
investigate some a community safety zone along a river edge
okay so council wanted and you had to a question
yes ma'am to stay a a comment that ... we
we are not authorized in the installation of speed humps
or bombs or pillows at this time just looking at
it for the pilot project and we absolutely must talk
to fire services performed but it's something like that oh
yeah yeah this is just included in the the pilot
project
for real
yeah for review thank you okay councillor Sybil
thank you Madame are wonderful I just have a motion
to receive to begin with
and then move on with the motion that said being
proposed
... just a motion to receive from Ashley's stud deputation
sure we can we can do that
well we've got one on the floor already so
Madame clerk can I put that one off to the
side and put a motion on the on the floor
to receive the deputation
sorry about American I DO turn on there all right
we could just take care of the other first and
then to a motion to receive after
yeah I R. I was included in 2
but I think houses able wants to have it separated
out so let's do it after because we got one
on the floor now councillors able so let's let's do
it after okay so we got councillor Fellini's motion on
the floor to I think you're pretty clear that the
four things all those in favor
opposed Hey that serve that carries motion to receive the
the deputation moved by councillor Pollini second by councillor Sybil
all those in favor
... that's carried and Research Council Rossi want to put
a motion on about when the local signs up on
river ridge and RiverClan are just referenced just reference for
the time being we have other purchase order
deal with but she's well but before I do that
I want to make sure that so asco Mr visual
your question because issue of signage what it really says
come out
as being a turret and ... and I think in
most cases people will understand that ... assigned unless it's
specific to the
a book but whether it's a street sign or something
that specifically delineates that you can't do something or that
you shouldn't exceed something other scientists are meant as a
deterrent it's fair to say Mr trump
through through Madame murder sponsor regional councillor crossing I think
so Mike Mike Wass referred a few minutes ago to
warning signs and regulatory science so regulatory signs like a
speed limit sign
do you know where where you're directed to certain kind
of behavior and you have to do that all right
bringing sign
is
you know not not it not is clear and and
doesn't really have the same fact
so I don't know if that answers your question properly
there are the two types of sign in the I
think they will be enforced differently thank you just for
us for for regulatory site Mr bush article probably let
you know uploaded decision that was made a few years
ago with respect to a stop sign in a rural
area how the courts ruled that the stop sign was
just a suggestion it was back to be enforceable and
there was a major incident that occurred at that intersection
that individual was paralyzed for life at the court decided
that it was in this probably was at fault up
because there was a stop sign and it was at
that intersection was that was gonna properly design the stock
site didn't necessarily try to stop for member correctly at
last I was able at eight presentation everybody shocked okay
I kind of thought it was more than a suggestion
but anyway so we don't house across the can I
ask you what motion you're going to put full I'm
gonna put a motion
original still oversized local traffic all the signs of bowls
you step trucks at the west entrance regrets drive immediately
... for the purpose of identifying those streets as local
traffic
the only thing is it will have to have a
bylaws so I don't know if immediately on the
yeah well it has to come back to us but
some will be bylaw would come to us so ...
so that's the motion do I have a second or
for that
I need a second
I okay there we go we got a second
questions or comments on the on this motion
all those in favor
it's a keep your keep your cards up if you're
in favor hold your cards up
opposed
okay so that carries okay
okay thanks everyone and and actually thank you very much
I know were you this is taking a little time
but we'll we're getting there hopefully some of some changes
that so the residents along your street we'll a we'll
see in the coming weeks
thank you so much my Merion everybody else from council
for your time today thank you great thank you very
much okay members of council ...
we don't have any other speakers there's no delegations and
there's no presentations and no public meetings but we do
have a number of reports so let's go through and
upload reports that require separate discussion the first report twelve
one A. S. application for sign relief by law signed
by law relief for the wall sign it 1-74 the
Queensway south are there any questions or concerns on this
one
nope we can do not
... the next one I would pull the next one
the other catering road mandatory water and sewer connection ...
I think there were some questions that local residents has
raised so want to discuss that
... report see is a request for taxi cab terror
the meter rate adjustment are there any questions or councillor
Waddington
K.
and report D. is a request to stop up close
and sell portion of a lane south of Irving drive
north of sixth street
there was a suggestion so I think we need to
pull this one ... because there was suggestions of how
it could be divided up so we need to talk
about that he is a verbal updates
F. is the re conventus oracle lands part one of
plan sixty five R. dash three nine two three nine
are there any questions as it's in the cedar ridge
subdivision I don't think okay no issues there
and report G. N. H. we will call for separate
discussion regional council Rossi has declared a conflict on on
those so we'll have that discussion and I think that's
it for the report so by going to a motion
to adopt and approve reports one eighty and one F.
moved by council Washington seconded by councillor Sybil all those
in favor
lows and that's carried
okay which let's do the ... catering roads report and
then we'll take a short break but let's do that
one ... Mr all gonna be I know you and
I have discussed at length the this issue and accounts
receivable has been involved in the discussions ... there has
there's a very long history and I thank you for
the report because it is a very thorough report it
does discuss the ... the history of this project and
the developer ... the new developer maintaining the ...
responsibility or the the
the
connection of
water and sewer is for certain residents along a catering
road that that front and look over to this new
subdivision ... I know you've spoken to a few of
the residents along and and certainly I've had emailed us
as councillors Cibo ... it's been the
I'm quite a disruption to the residents along there at
the ... the work that's happened over the last three
years in terms of the road being closed and in
particular this this spring where
the water and sewer connections and and huge holes lots
of activity loud activity vibrations all that sort of stuff
but that's complete now and the first the asphalt is
down and the work is proceeding on the remainder of
of the road and now we're looking at the ...
the connections to these individual homes can you tell me
if you had to residents some
I know there are a couple that you're reaching out
to ... and some that had weren't able to get
this report Chantelle just the other day are there still
any concerns that you have ... in terms of moving
for with the report today
in mind that there are meetings that we're gonna have
with other residents to go over their individual concerns about
some of the the final connection from collaterals to their
into their homes
through you madam ma'am we've kind of communication with the
US residents and what we're hearing constantly is that they
wanted they wanted you want communication do wanna know what's
going on so I think you moving forward having I
did too proposed virtual workshops that we you know mentioned
in the report and if needed having additional workshops for
residents to you know ask any questions and and for
us to provide them with additional details you know I
think that will be ... you know very beneficial and
I think that's what we were hearing and and that's
what that you know residents ... which would benefit from
and at these meetings what we're going to have to
staff from engineering from building division as well as ...
from the developers so I didn't and their consultants so
that you know we can I can provide residents with
more details ... and ... answer any questions they may
have
so this report is asking for the ... the relief
of the properties fronting onto catering road to require them
to to hook up within a year this is asking
for that to be extended to to two years within
that is the ability for them to get their own
contractor to to make those connections they do have to
to pay a
plumbing fee to ... to do that connection but they
can get their own contractor to and that's the only
time that that sat there because everything else ... the
the water and sewers there's no frontage charge there is
no charge but the lateral and all their pain is
the plumbing permit fee and the cost of whoever they
hire to but that transient and to put the ...
the connection into their water and sewers bear in mind
that the similar to along lake drive they can keep
their well it just can't be connected through to inside
the house plumbing because you don't want to cross contamination
so that's what the the gist of of this report
is and then putting in place the ability for those
... meetings to be held in others what thirty five
properties as such I remember I believe twenty five point
twenty five sorry so they can have a ... you
know those are small group meetings to go over their
individual questions or concerns so you're satisfied that you've been
able to answer the majority of people's questions now we
need this to be able to assure them that they
got two years to hook up and to put in
place some the ... give direction to staff to to
do this meeting so ... I think that's that's good
councillor Sybil did you have any concerns or questions that
at this time for for this report I know you've
been involved with us thank you three Madame mayor I
I appreciate the call is that you've made thus far
and of the concerns that you indicated that residents have
certainly have been shared with both of us and that
was Satan ... I don't have an issue with moving
forward with this report ... as Satan has indicated that
the the main thing just a bit is that we've
added an additional year for residents to be able to
hook up and the meetings that have been requested by
the residents we are fully planning on accommodating and and
will add more if needed so ... I don't have
any further concerns regards to this report okay questions or
comments from other members of council
if not then councillor people do you want to move
the report report be that we received a report and
we provide the relief from the one years to the
two years and ... that you know the other items
in the report in terms of the meetings that direction
to give in to stop to move forward with the
with those as well okay so that's moved by councillor
CBOE by the second ...
I know by council Washington all those in favor
... is that scary ... we can take a break
now or councillor wanted ten is your question a quick
question for the taxi cab or you want to do
the break
the Mattamy I can't imagine it would take more five
minutes okay so let's let's do that one and then
we can
I'm back and get into the stock up close and
sell
your quick your question on the taxi cab item
three about American morning mum to regarding the ... surrounding
municipalities it was mentioned that ... which it still will
turn into market city of wanted city of Markham have
all recently either stop license in this type of business
or stops that in taxi cab terrorists
do we have any indication that we should be following
suit
are you Madame mayor to council Washington ... yes we
will be doing a thorough review a comprehensive review offered
licensing bylaw so we will take into consideration those options
at the time okay so ... just to follow up
through mid America mark does so ... for the purpose
of this report we're going to increase the rates but
... with the understanding that at some point in the
relatively near future we're gonna be looking to see if
there's actually something we're gonna continue to before yes do
you Madame mayor that's absolutely correct so we are looking
currently interviewing ... the timeline there is no set timeline
as of now but somewhere in twenty twenty three or
Q. one of twenty twenty four based on budget requirements
if any wonderful and ... just as a a second
my question in through you to month to that with
regards to the ability for taxi cabs to be able
to live for alcohol ... currently if I was to
place an order from a restaurant that serves alcohol the
delivery driver is able to deliver it
what is the rationale for not allowing taxi cabs to
do the same
through you might appear to council Waddington we have not
taken into consideration does that review will be a part
of our comprehensive review so at that time we will
take into consideration all those other a request made by
the taxi brokers
a commemorative appreciate that that ... the perfect time I
will move this report okay are there any other questions
from members of council and this report counts for filling
thank you Madame are just a quick call it I
want to just don't add a little color to council
whites itself ask way
president orders for restaurant I'll call it gets delivered by
the driver is because their license for AGCO
taxi cabs currently I'm not licensed by the uncle being
commissioned service ready cannot live problem should
that's just right now
okay thank you um so cancer one each in your
moving the ... the reclamation moving the recommendations on the
for items see which is received report and that council
approve the proposed increase in the tax cab meter terror
to three fifty for the first a hundred thirty five
meters or part thereof and twenty seven cents for each
additional hundred thirty five meters and that council approve the
proposed bylaw to amend the taxi cab terrified at inclusions
attachment for
moved by council wanted 10 seconded by
council regional council grassy all those in favor
... so not scary okay let's take I'm entertain a
motion for a fifteen minute break I've got
okay so how about 10 to 11
is that good okay so move accounts receivable seconded by
councillor hurting we take a fifteen minute break come back
at the
10 minutes to 111050 all those in favor
so that's carried okay we'll see about
and then we can let's get let's get things well
here we are so we can get things back
contract let us know when we're back recording
okay also hurting your audio still on excuse me in
case you mumble something that but you don't want
heard
we're ready
great okay we're gonna come back into our council after
our little break and we'll talk about report twelve D.
on page one await of our agenda Mr request to
stop up close and sell portion of lane located south
of Irving drive in north of sixth street ...
what counts what they're looking for is for council to
provide direction to staff with respect to the preferred option
for change of the sale the subject lands and I
think council wanted was your hand that was up as
well and I'm sure council Harding has some questions so
council Washington and then council hard and I will let
staff way into the options that are in the report
thanks man merit more comments regard in ... the report
than a ... the question ... richly when this come
to us I it the proposed actually suggested that we
reach out to the other ...
landowners to see because I I didn't think that the
the the person we're sorry the property that ... why
is offering to approach this was actually the ideal one
however the other property has actually stated that ... they
don't feel that they can offer to purchase the entire
land at this time so with the three options one
be in that one owner gets at the other option
being that the other owner gets it and the last
option being that they split it I would I would
want to just go forward with the original ... group
that came to us selling it to them I think
that's option one
okay well I'm actually leaning more to option 3
it's and actually have
I want to do that they both parties said that
because I saw what I thought was proposed by one
party yeah but I think the other party will get
both will get what they want out of this site
I I believe but let's so let's have a little
discussion on it ... councillor Harding did you want to
make any comments now and then we'll let
mom to provide some comments
yes up actually I did talk to staff about this
yesterday at that myself and ... I I still think
as well as what you just said
... options reach me seems like it's fair and ...
it's best for all ... I know they're still talking
that some people will be able to get through that
one spot
... so I think option three is the way to
go ...
the
there is something I want to talk about but I'll
wait till the discussion started
but any out there is a
let's play through and see what what happens okay mom
to did you want to make any comments or I
know we've got Mr bijani on as well ... just
bear in mind to the suggestion that the one property
owner has put forward in terms of dividing I thought
it was a little bit unusual
divisional property as the strange property line but the strange
property lines everywhere so but do we know if ...
bearing in mind what to council Washington said that some
do you know if the the ... if canton Erin
Raymond are amenable to option three that that they get
something that they want in the other present to get
something that they want are they okay with option three
of dividing the property
Madame mayor well we
the applicant to contact us and he is not in
agreement to option three he would like to purchase the
property fully as up slide by him through his application
okay but the other property owners indicated that they would
like to purchase some of the property okay
so I guess the discussion then is up to us
and I guess from a legal point of view if
the original applicant isn't in favor of of that ...
does that throw a monkey wrench into
our ability to to go with option 3 if he's
you may and may not be what he wants but
he may our wait what he prefers but is it
better than the nothing where where's our responsibility in terms
of offering option three which isn't exactly what he's looking
for
Mr Mazzone any comment on that from a legal point
of view
I'm
thank you Madame mer I think it is open to
the town
to decide how how it wishes to ... offers lands
for sale
eight the the the fact that Mr Raymond has been
the applicant doesn't prevent us from considering other options and
one of the S. that just
okay thank you ... cancer heart in that you want
to make any other comments or what was the other
thing that you were going to bring up that you
need to bring it up to you wanna bring it
up
yeah basically it's the amount of money that's going to
be graced our revenue
our
that particular amount of money
I wanna shout goes true could it be allocated to
cars parked out
it down or to replace retaining wall or not I
mean it was dark Mr Weers areas
Mr reader cannot be allocated within that general area or
does it go into the general pot of land sales
three amount of merit to ... to councillor are doing
so are are council's policy is currently but at any
land
... seeds go into our land acquisition reserves and it
is a town wide reserves so we did set that
reserve up and not policy up I believe it was
in twenty nineteen we contribute to it annually and we
have had previous sales in other words that have gone
into that reserve in that reserve will be use for
town my purchases so I mean council could change our
policy on that but it wouldn't be my recommendation what
what's the total amount of our revenue from this
I don't know if it's in the
in the report
I've got it here at the office
that's $9425 okay
now the the work that you're wanting to be done
in corner park ... maybe Mr but no he's on
the meeting
Mr first tell us looking at it was yeah Mr
Ferguson is is on vacation all there are a
comment on on the work that needs to be done
at corners Park is there anything in this year's budget
that would allow for that work or would that be
a separate budget request for the twenty twenty three budget
what you're on
thank god three letter ... to to members of council
... depending on the school ... I know that I
haven't had extensive conversations with that Mr person at this
point in time but it would depend on the scope
of what what's required in all likelihood the value that
project would be something we would have to put for
is a request
okay
here your questions are within us yeah I'll just make
sure that Mr for yourself when he's coming up with
that should be saying about monitoring that
any out okay yeah so rather not I I'm it
was option three up I don't know all
so you want to put forward a motion to
receive the report ... and we had a pride direction
you're saying the sale of the subject lands two option
three and how that is divided up is is something
that will be ... staff would be working with the
two owners it might be what the ... one resident
suggested it might be slightly different so ... if we
go to option three then then that would be up
to staff to to do that
determination of the
a lot lines and that we ... option recognition three
is passing a bylaw to authorizing the stopping up close
and sale the of the lands to the abutting the
abutting property owners at the rate of three seventy four
per square foot in accordance with the service plan policies
so that's your recommendation yes
Dr a secondary for for that
but I am just trying to get a second here
comes wanna see your as your car do I have
a second or for that motion seconded by councillor stable
questions or comments council Waddington ... option three the other
person has already said they're not interested
so help and
so it's going to go through they want the property
is we're doing is trying to
cut out a section of this and give it to
the the other people well we're also trying to spend
money before we actually get it like it there through
the people that are on what is a closely are
looking for a small section of it it's not gonna
be nine thousand dollars it's gonna be only a percentage
of of that amount as well well anyway we're we're
not going to deal with the the the the retaining
wall in the budget for that this report is recommendation
is just saying that we're saying option three and that
we're splitting that somehow between the the two property owners
that are interested the first one is saying yeah I
really want to buy it all but council has determined
potentially if this passes that we're widest split between the
two owners if he doesn't want to to buy even
a portion of it that's up to him were saying
our decision as we're going to split it between however
that is determined that our option that council Harding is
is suggesting that it be split between the two owners
I have a feeling that that the other owner the
other applicants the original one we'll take something rather than
nothing but if you choose not to purchase that then
then that's that's fine and it doesn't get so doesn't
get sold only gets part of it gets sold to
us to the one owner
so so it just just to clarify somebody has offered
to purchase the property
we're rejecting that it right offering that a portion of
it to somebody else as now the primary goal of
the town
versus actually selling it to the person who wants it
the way the stop up close and sell process goes
is that it's our option in a what Mr there's
only one child clarify game is our option as to
whether we want to sell it to anybody
don't just sell it to a one or the other
or to both councillor Harding is saying he's putting forward
a motion to sell to to both in for both
don't want to buy it then that's fine
okay okay
Mr Bijan am I correct in and what I'm saying
in terms of
it's as you said it's our options and decide whether
we want to sell it at all that's because somebody
offers to to buy something doesn't mean that we have
to run and say well sure yeah let's let's do
it
and we can decide as as has been here to
contact the other property owners to see if they're interested
in buying it and there have been instances where we
have split a piece of property between two property owners
I've been on council long enough to know and have
been involved with with those situations where and sometimes one
may have wanted to buy it all but we offer
it and then it gets split between the between the
two so are we doing anything wrong
No Way I don't think we are Madame mayor ...
...
I do think we should keep in mind is ...
once the laneways close would be offered for sale it
is the the two owners
either of them is obliged to to accept it if
it
if the applicant is interested only in purchasing the old
saying and not interested in purchasing a car only of
it of course sets up to up to him and
and did ... the ... the the other interested party
so so I think ... what one thing that perhaps
council should bear in mind it is
if the original applicant decides that that he's not interested
in purchasing a portion only of it then the town
has to be satisfied that it's okay was just selling
a portion of the of the lane right I know
that's perfectly obvious but yeah wanted to make the point
but but nothing stops us from doing it and in
that manner that's that's council's wish someone of a report
come back to us saying that the first are the
the applicant isn't interested in and purchasing only part of
it he was it was an all or nothing thing
and the town has decided now to to only to
sell part of it to the one that it that
is interested or at that time we can decide not
to sell to to to them either is that still
an option
it could be done that way madam merry you could
I suppose ... leave it to the discretion of staff
to to what the locals
anyway but if council wants it to come back to
them if if we don't have deals for the disposition
of the entire coals portion we can do that too
okay okay of further questions or comments that I see
your hand up councillor stable
thank you through memory did but my question or comment
regarding the major **** thank you okay so I've got
it moved and seconded so council hernias has moved the
the motion and option three to sell to the owners
at one fifty call really close and twelve six street
to offer but first we have to stop up close
and sell and then we would offer to the to
abutting landowners and ... depending on how that discussion goes
it may get sold to
both or may just get sold to one of the
properties
owners okay are we good with that okay
councillor civil matter merit I do have a question after
all I'm just curious whether or not there's anything that
we can do in terms of revision to recommendations free
... that would allow for a portion of the lane
to be closed and sold as opposed all of it
if only one of the two parties wants to buy
part of it
Mr is only would be the whole thing
closed and offered up for sale and and how do
we if only a portion they get sold
what happens to the other portion we stopped we've got
a motion to stop up close and sell but what
we don't have a buyer is still stays in our
our possession it is in our position it it wouldn't
have
... status of public highway anymore but it would just
be kind of a
I have to say would be an oddball orphaned little
section of land
but yeah you know we would just be just another
landowner icicles yeah okay councillor Harding
you're on mute
I thought I had made myself known from the other
okay so you're saying I'm concerned on this just as
fast leaving a small piece of parcel there that nobody's
going to maintain our minor injuries
now
well it hasn't been but I mean there's the people
are saying something about you know like that yourself trees
on there that may have to be cleared later on
so concerning so do you want staff to come back
to us if
before they do the stop up close and sell
by law to come back to us after they discussed
with the to property owners and if the one is
no longer interested we may not do the stop up
close and sell do you want them to come back
to us after that have that discussion with the the
two owners yeah because I mean it it's something that
I think staff would have to go on a look
at it see if there is any at all for
us still on a piece parcel that there's no access
to do how do you do anything with that how
do we maintain that they're gonna stay on the other
end you have access from ...
curry yeah
but I think it would be good to if it's
a five staff came back to us if they reach
out to the to property owners tell them the discussion
today if the ones as well I'm I'm not interested
then now they can come back and and tell us
that and if at that time we want to do
a different decision we can look at that but ...
maybe they need to come back to us after they
don't talk to the to property owners yeah I was
I was only informed by staff yesterday that the section
that comes up at six Street as like the Java
bought it and I guess it's no longer any sensible
entrance from that point yes we still have the entrance
from the other way
yeah yeah yeah okay right
okay so the motions on the floor moved and seconded
all those in favor
sorry I was arrested you have your hand up there
okay yes all those in favor opposed
and that carries and we'll ask for staff to come
back to us with them
an update as to the discussions with the two property
owners
okay
okay ... moving right along here are we going to
receive the additional correspondence yes yes we can receive that
yeah and again the direction to
come back to council with an update as to
if the to property owners are not interested in option
three now that we formally passed it
okay okay verbal report the merc
Mr Arjun are you giving the report or is it
Mr nasty I'm not sure who's here today there is
Mr
warning man America council members
good morning
I have a couple pictures but I'll just wait until
I'm done with my verbal updates first
okay
so the following is the eight th of the monthly
updates to council regarding the murder project
many of the following items are currently ongoing
installation of the weeping tile in the parking lot installation
of the pond soil cover over the liner footings and
foundations of the whole building
a slab on grade or for the base in the
mechanical room for the multi purpose room gymnasium areas such
as the walking track and service areas have been completed
installation of the structural steel on the gymnasium is almost
complete a lot lobby and the library is about fifty
percent on
finishing of the dry pond through installation of the topsoil
seed mainstream precast installations ongoing
and ... project is currently forecast to be delivered within
the approved budget and as it stands we're scheduled of
occupancy of Q. four twenty twenty three
and I just have a couple pictures
everyone see my screen
and I'm sure we all can already so this is
kind of a bird's eye view of the entire site
right over here we got the slap foundation and the
poor of the slab on grade for the pool right
over here is the gymnasium of the two stories of
the structural steel including bell the walking track on this
site is fifty percent of the structural steel has been
erected for the library
this is just a close up of the of the
library and the gymnasium again
another close up
this is another close up of the library
and this is a close up of the pool foundation
has been corrected so far there's a lot more progress
on site right now but ... we're getting there
we we lost some time during the strike have we
been able to make any of that up that they
they were trying to sort of tandem certain things to
try to make that up a bit as anything then
gained on not
we're trying to accelerate some activities but we're gonna see
acceleration of those activities towards the end of the project
not at this moment right now we're kind of concentrate
on the structural steel I tried to get the the
building envelope closed in or before winter hits
okay questions or comments from members of council
councillor Washington through you Mr and what we're talking occupancy
of Q. four of twenty twenty three does that mean
that the town is taking possession or does that mean
that the pool is full of water the libraries full
of books and residents are using
that means we have taken possession of the building and
... most likely the grand opening and the occupancy and
open use for the public that's yet to be determined
I'm
okay but answer my question with the determination of that
date to we have a idea is it a month
or two later is that three to six months later
what ... what what's the thought process all right now
it typically takes about two to three months for us
to uh commission and get staff trained up and in
there and like you said books equipment all those things
looked up and working appropriate okay so yeah it would
be Q. one Q. two of twenty twenty four for
people actually enjoy the event that it is exactly thank
you
other questions or comments
if not a motion to receive a verbal updates
by council Waddington seconded by accounts receivable all those in
favor
close and that's carried we've done out let me go
to
G. the lake drive shoreline jurisdiction action plan project schedule
residential indirect water front properties
and I think Anna is going to do the presentation
this is on page one thirty six of our agenda
if you get a paper one
welcome manner
thank you good morning I'm Madame mayor and members of
council ... if it's okay I'd I'd like to share
my screen sure thank you
we got everybody see that
great
so good morning everyone I'm not a mere and members
of council this morning I my presentation will provide an
overview of the choose westrac reports today's council agenda relating
to ... the like tractor stiction action plan
and Dr more specifically minor presentation today will provide an
overview on implementation of the operational and policy steps in
the action plan including a proposed projects cash schedule for
residential properties and next steps for implementation of the action
plan ... for beach associations
secondly I will also be providing an overview of a
potential in term policy that staff is recommending ... that
would apply to indirect water front property owners and would
allow certain works to take place on the sidelines prior
to completion of the action plan
and lastly ... my presentation will provide an overview of
the proposed new revision to the term lakeside lands and
the action plan
sorry about that so with respect to implementation of the
action plans staff have put together projects scheduled to implement
the operational policy
also the action plan for residential indirect water front properties
as shown on the slide and
the staff report
the project schedule includes nine key project milestones as shown
on the left hand side of
the chart on on on this slide and the associated
timelines for each milestone is shown on the right hand
side
so given the scale and complexity of the project is
anticipated to take approximately three years to complete implementation of
the action plan for residential properties N. B. target completion
date is scheduled for October
2024
so the next few slides I'll be on
providing greater detail on each of the nine ... milestones
within the project schedule so the first milestone is project
and sourcing
and work on this milestone began in April of this
year and is scheduled to be completed in September of
two thousand and twenty three so to date the town
has established a project committee for the later action plan
the committee meets on a weekly basis and consist of
internal staff as well as stock external agencies such as
the the lake Simcoe are conservation authority and the ministry
of northern development and mines natural resources and forestry a
communications consultant has also been retained by the town to
develop a communications plan for the project and to assist
with implementation of the communications one
the town currently has a dedicated staff member working on
implementation of the project and ... will be looking to
add an additional temporary staff member in the near future
it's also assist with implementation of the action plan
lastly a planning consultants will be retained ... if required
to assist with the preparation of a new official plan
amendments owning bylaw amendment and or community a planning permit
system to establish shop land use planning policies and permissions
well developed development standards for the lands to be divested
within the action plan area and ... work on this
is targeted to start in approximately one year from now
in September two thousand and twenty three
moving on to milestone number two two which is project
initiation are
sorry project re initiation as many of you know around
the project was recently re initiated after nearly a three
year hiatus which was due in part to
some legal issues and also in part due to the
pandemic since the project has been not reinitiated
there's been several courts have been presented to council and
or will be presented to council are seeking direction on
on on moving the project forward so there was that
recently reporting June ... regarding the costing and financial information
related to divested sure of the road allowance lands within
the action plan
some of the reports that are before you today with
respect to implementation of the action plan now relative to
the residential properties as well as the beach associations and
lastly there may be an additional report council September and
September pending direction from council today regarding a potential inter
policy and I will be discussing men's Interpol's in greater
detail later on in my presentation
moving on to milestone number three which is the current
state analysis ... or work on this milestone is currently
under way having started in June of this year in
the schedule to be completed by December of this year
and essentially the currency analysis ... includes a compilation of
the findings of past legal investigations and title search searches
that have completed have been completed by the town and
compiling them and in the database the town down database
and map to provide a general understanding of who owns
what are along lake drive within the action plan
and I and it's based on the information that the
Town presently has today and and I want to clarify
that it's not intended to be a comprehensive you are
picture of who owns what um within the action plan
area but it is certainly ... a good start again
based on the information the town presently has today and
it's certainly a database that the town to continue to
build on as we progress and move forward with the
implementation of the action plan and data for your information
... the the information at the present time presently has
an armed with respect to title searches and non legal
investigations those are typically completed when a property owner is
proposing now works on the sidelines and comments and or
approval is required by the town
moving on to milestone number four which is the identification
of land and easements to be retained by the town
as well as the identification of eligible property owners so
work on this milestone is expected to begin in September
of this year and ... we're targeting completion and in
January of next year
and once this milestone is complete the town will be
able to determine which lands or to be retained ...
and which plants operating surplus and can be divested the
town will also be able to determine where encroachment agreements
and easements are required ... we will identify the eligible
property owners of the owners of property owners who are
eligible to participate me action plan if they wish to
do so
and it is noted that ... eligible property owners may
include properties with property pens ... or sorry with pocket
pins and land disputes which will require route resolution as
we move forward with implementation of the actual plan
and ... I just wanted to clarify that properties with
property or with pocket can sorry have more than one
entered shown on land registry records as having an interest
in the lands
so continuing on with some milestone number four on this
type of work on this moment milestone will also includes
our reporting up to council for information and direction on
a number of matters including the lands that are to
be retained diverse is that the lands that Tom are
surplus and can be divested wasabi reporting up to council
after information and direction on possible approaches for dealing with
that different ownership scenarios such as occupants in crown lands
our reporting up to council for direction on ... information
on details and direction on whether council feels additional
those are other should be included as he kills potential
financial option options for intercity PO's and whether deposit should
be collected also be looking down at to provide council
with information and direction on that and ... lastly will
also be providing an update on the project schedule
milestone number five in the project schedule is gauging interest
from the appeals so once we bomb reported up to
council ani peels and and I received direction on that
... sampled and consult with the PO's arm you know
are providing them with information on the projects and dining
possible on next steps once the consultation has taken place
on notices will be sent out to the eligible property
owners to determine which ones are interested in participating in
the action plan ...
once there of the responses from the EPA also received
staff report out to council ... and and seek directions
for example if from the response rate is low ...
you know council may decide to end the process
or conversely if if the responses ... you know rather
healthy and and high ... of the council may decide
to our direct staff to move forward with the next
down while still and ... also as part of this
the some monster number five staff will be reporting up
to council possible approaches for dealing with ownership title and
lockdown disputes and again also providing an update on the
... schedule
milestone not number 6 remaining
and this is the anticipated take place between not July
two thousand and twenty three
in September two thousand and twenty five and again assuming
after we've reported out to to council on the previous
milestone with respect to the PO's ... S. ing council
has directed that staff move forward we will do so
by issuing an RFP for the surveying works ...
awarding ... the contract must serve being will likely be
completed in phases however the details of facing planner of
course yeah you have to be determined and ... the
serving works will identify amongst other things the town owned
road allowance lands as well as land and title or
land boundary disputes that require resolution ... as we move
forward
milestone on number seven retains to the planning process for
establishing new land use policies are permissions and development standards
for the lakeside masturbator Bastin
all rights are scheduled to take place between September two
thousand and twenty three and December two thousand and twenty
four
and on this slide here provides you know ... three
very high level actions for this milestone including ... you
know ... staff conducting background research and consultation with stakeholders
to inform potential new land use permissions and development standards
for the lakeside lands to be divested
ask for a public meeting global lime also be held
as required by the planning act and ... lastly a
recommendation report will be presented to council for approval of
the new ... our official plan amendment zoning bylaw amendment
and our community planning permit system
and as I said these are very high level actions
pertaining to this milestone there likely be additional land detailed
actions and steps that will take place in between the
such as reporting out to council first for information and
directions
milestone number 8 on
road closure by less so and this isn't the place
after the official plan amendment I'm Tony bylaw amendment and
community planning permits system and ... as approved by council
so one between December two thousand twenty for an October
two thousand twenty five
once the the planning approvals are in place staff will
bring forward the proposed bylaws for council approval but I
would I would like to point out that if there
are any appeals to the planning approvals that sound this
will allow more certainly delayed the process ... as the
road closure bylaws and transfer lots will not take place
until the appeals are fully result
and that takes me to the last milestone the project
schedule which is not a transfer of ownership of new
lakeside lots ... and ... you know ... these the
lakeside lands will be transferred or lots to be eligible
property owners and any necessary agreements will be executed at
as well as any on fees collected as as required
so with respect to our report number one D. asked
two thousand and twenty two dash sixty nine there are
two recommendations with respect to the project schedule residential properties
the first star recommendations that council received a staff report
and the second recommendation is that council endorsed the project
schedule for implementation of the operational policy stops in the
action plan for residential indirect water front properties
so moving on this next slide
thirteen sphere with the second report DS two thousand and
twenty two dash seventy which US president to implementation of
the action plan for beach associations
so policy step number twelve in the action plan is
up on on this slide here as you can see
year and at least ... requires the town to establish
a policy on how to deal with a situation where
situations were associations with numerous members want to make use
of
you know what parcel of land or situations where there's
more than one individual who has an and would like
to make use of up one lot ... and I'd
just like to point out ... in in implementing the
action plan ...
for a relative to beach associations the town is only
interested in beach associations on town owned lands
with respect to next steps for beach associations in order
for staff to be able to develop a project schedule
for implementation of the action plan more information is needed
information information such as ... the number and location of
each associations within the action plan area including any eye
contact information and whether again whether we need to know
whether there are located on town owned lands are not
because the town's only interested in in dealing with those
that are on town lands I'd also be very helpful
to know with these beach associations are legally registered Earth
Day ... you exist as legal entities so ... with
respect to the second report there it used to staff
recommendations the first one being that council received a report
and the second recommendation is that staff report back to
council with that project schedule and any budgetary needs for
implementation of the action plan ... relative to beach associations
by Q. one next year
and this will just gonna you know give staff some
time to to do the additional research that they need
to do
the next part of my presentation on X. share route
an intern policy that staff is recommending that council consider
and ... yeah staff is recommending this recommendation because presently
we'd we do receive a number of requests for approvals
and comments
those works only side lands within the action plan
on these types of works typically ... either it detects
the works that property owners typically seek to undertake ...
very but ... generally it relates to Roshen control medication
more are there either looking to where they were they're
looking to construct a new structure building ... repair to
an existing structure building ... just also cases where repairs
to existing buildings and structures are more of an emergency
in as they posed a safety hazard so there's a
number of different ...
scenarios in which ... property owners are seeking to undertake
works on their lakeside lands and and staff are recommending
that council consider a policy to allow ... certain works
to take place on lakeside lands subject to certain conditions
while ... we work on implementation of the action plan
and as I said you know it got to three
years ... before we complete implementation of the plan and
such a ... an example of a of what the
... Interpol secret Intel for example would be that no
motion control works ... and perhaps repairs to existing structures
a pool safety hazard ... perhaps they can take place
... without the need to prove ownership of the lakeside
lands and conversely ... you know if if the property
owners looking to build a new structure such as a
boat house or whatever the case may be on it
in those cases perhaps they do need to provide proof
of sole ownership clearance ownership and again these are just
examples of what the internal policy could potentially look like
and so ... the recommendation in the first report is
that some that staff report back to council in September
with staff a new term policy for council's consideration
the last part of my presentation
deals with a proposed revision to the term lakeside lands
in action plan
and so this proposed revision ... is in response to
comments on the discussion at being the June twenty second
council meeting and so the purpose of the the revised
definitions to clarify that the action plan will only deal
with the portion of the lake silence of the town
homes and the purpose proposed revision is down that's up
on the screen before you are it is as follows
so the lakeside lands means lands owned by the town
that are situated between the shoreline and the travel portion
of the road allowance
and presently the definition of that term any action plan
is as follows meetings the lands from the shoreline the
travel portion of the road allowance you can see on
you know what the difference in the two
definitions of revision was done need it ... we'll be
getting you know just to be clear that if we're
only dealing with the town ... portion of the lakeside
landscape and that there could potentially be other owners or
types of ownerships
between the shoreline and the travel portion of the road
for example are could be criminal lands or even potentially
I think the one land so ... the recommendation and
in the the first after port
related to this item this matter is that council approve
the revised ... definition of the term lakeside lands in
the action plan
and that concludes my presentation Madame Kirk and members of
council I hope you found it helpful and Sam thank
you very much
thank you and that was a given that was a
very good report laid out quite quite well ... are
there questions from members of council ... let's try to
take it one chunk at a time maybe the the
first ... questions on on the first part of the
presentation for report
G. and then if somebody has you know question on
not then we'll take questions on on report H. ...
the the beach association report and then any questions on
the N. term policy and then questions on the revision
to the definition so questions on the first report on
report G. on the the schedule that has been suggested
are there any questions on that
I don't see any hands went up for that one
are there questions on the ... beach association report and
the recommendation for about one that some
staff report back in Q. one of twenty twenty three
with the project schedule and any budgetary needs respecting the
implementation ... an operational Polish steps for the lake drive
shoreline jurisdiction action plan for beach associations are there any
questions on that councillor Waddington's
three about America to enter simply because we're talking about
both reports at the same time right now can I
just get clarification that if the definition does change in
the first report that the documentation the second work it's
up in a
thank you councillor Wellington Washington and ... your you are
correct correct we can certainly add that recommendation you're not
alone the updated action plan with the new definition added
to the second report
thank you Pritchett okay any other questions on the beach
association one
okay questions on the
our internal policy for indirect properties water front properties on
the lake drive shoreline jurisdiction to allow certain works to
proceed on lakeside land subject to certain conditions prior to
the completion of the action plan so this would come
back to us in September as an intern policy ...
for that purpose councillor wanted to note I see your
hand up
yes ma'am thank you through Medicare to a and again
do we have any indication or idea as to how
many
properties are property owners would currently be and cute to
help those affected
through you madam mayor out that's a great question councillor
Waddington ... I based on my estimation ... we received
probably I'd say between
but a handful of five different request that a week
I think I'm an and but that's based on this
time of year I am I am sure probably fluctuate
some very different time of the year but the thing
construction season we would seek receivables between three to five
request a week year round
for from property owners who wish to undertake a works
on their lakeside lands okay so ... just as a
follow up their three in America to a and a
safe to say that as soon as this is implemented
that there's likely dozens if not more people that are
gonna see relief from being able to move at
see relief from being able to move on sorry I'm
not sure and the band with the Interpol see going
through ...
it's obviously subject to certain conditions prior to completion
people who will be able to make adjustments to work
on these lands are we expect in dozens of people
to want to move forward with us
thank you Madame mum Mayor at that site difficult question
for me to understand for me do asked me now
I'm not sure I can I can answer that question
in the middle ... the what you're asking is if
if we approve such as a policy within that open
the doors and the floodgates tell these people money to
come in and and complete the works ... good question
I'm not sure how many answers to that but I
see John hurt's guys can yes Mr hardest put his
screen on so Mr harden Jack comment Madame mayor through
you to cancer Waddington ... the infirm policy that's being
developed out will be a tight end from policy that
will not to open the proverbial floodgates to applications a
person's coming in who want to help ordinary work done
will lot will be required to show ownership the end
from policy exist for rapper merging she situations and other
situations where Russia as special circumstances are required so it's
not anticipated that the flood gates will be opened
thanks Brigitte corporation okay
I think I saw councillor Fellini with his hand up
and then councillor Sybil
thank you Madame where ... I just wanna make a
quick call if we look at
it just depend providers or H. one forty in the
second paragraph it says
or maybe process to council 9/20/22
for council's consideration
I believe that we should first focus you that report
because it deals with your inclusion of corrosion control medication
measures it works obviously potential life safety hazards
I believe we should take care of that because if
not we are liable that's not appropriate
so that's where the ... direction is needed and recommendation
three so if we do give direction then and yes
there will be a report in September I agree there
needs to be ... that ability in those some cases
that
you know erosion emergency control safety concerns that there needs
to be a policy in place so that would be
part of the direction that we were given the report
would come in September ... concert Siebel thank you had
your hand
thank you through Medicare just a quick question with regard
to the in term policy ... in and listen to
the discussion and thinking about the matter I'm wondering if
there may not be instances where the town wants to
do some work on the lakeside
to do exactly the things we talk about erosion control
and ends and things to improve safety so I just
wondered if Anna could speak to that at all
any comment in a
through you madam mayor I am I am I'm not
sure can answer that question I'm I'm sure there might
be instances where the town homes ...
some lance
John and John John and and John that have put
their screens on so either one of you two gentlemen
maybe Mr asking you wanna make a comment thank you
Amerisur you to ... councillor Cibo ... that's a good
question ... we can consult on that internally and address
that in the September report she council ask for that
to come back in September
okay
further questions or comments from members of council
okay so the recommendation on the for the first report
is to receive certain route from here to receive the
report and council endorsed the project schedule and that we're
providing direction to yes Sir bring back up potential in
term policy for indirect waterfront property owners in September so
that server recommendation three and recommendation for approve the revision
to the definition of lakeside lands
do I have a mover in a second ... for
that moved by councillor Washington seconded by councillor Fellini
questions or comments councillor Waddington
that's when we're through you enter with Kurtz to recommendations
for with the ... the revision of the definition of
lakeside lance firstly thank you very much for a for
getting that done ... are we or do we have
a means to either update past documentations that show the
old ... definition or at least make notification when people
are going through ... you know years of documents where
the goal post is kind of changed since the original
definition was ... was created just so that anybody who's
going through many many years of documents understands that that
definition actually was changed from what it originally was
how do we make sure that's communicated properly it's a
good question and over an hour Shawn
when it's on our website how do we
how do we do that you can't go back in
history but how do we make sure that going forward
people understand
it is a good point that Americans are town council
wanted change we can definitely do that will review everything
that's on the website I'm sure that there is appropriate
notations and appropriate notification of thank you that doesn't sound
like very much
okay so it's moved and seconded further questions or comments
all those in favor
... send that scary please note that regional council Rossi
did not participate in the discussion or in the vote
on this as he did did declare a conflict earlier
on
R. twelve H. is a lake drive shoreline jurisdiction action
plan schedule for beach associations recommendations are to receive the
report and just for staff report back in Q. one
of twenty twenty three regarding the plan for the beach
associations and I think he wanted to include job the
recognition for from the earlier so we'll let approve a
revision to the definition of lakeside lands included so that
the recommendation to reach out what you want to council
Washington that Medicare is soon is that to a previous
report went through in the definition was changed it it's
ME London okay it's just that in the actual
documents we've got the old definition at this point yeah
just like your if you carry it forward okay so
we just do the two recommendations are fine
okay so I need to move on a second ...
for for those
moved by council Pollini second by council Waddington questions or
comments
all those in favor
opposed and that's carried and again no please note the
regional council grassy did not participate in the discussion or
a vote on now that report as he did declare
a conflict Sir earlier in the meeting okay members of
council we can continue on with
our reports we're gonna reports of item thirteen disposition proclamations
general information items and committee of adjustment thirteen one a
is the reason of your requesting confirmation from local municipalities
of their position regarding the region assuming winter maintenance of
sidewalks adjacent to regional roads given the regional tax levy
implications by September thirtieth twenty twenty two in this is
on page
one fifty eight I don't know if Mr boss wants
to make any comments now
or we just want to refer this to
sorry it's one one eighty eight we want to refer
this to staff
for comments back to us prior to the September date
has wanted to do I see your hand up for
the question
hi yes ma'am but deferred Mr bosses come in on
... he can likely feel that okay Mister Ross
there is
3 monomer to Mr Voss M. one yeah
hit the nail on the head asking if this was
gonna be referred to staff and come back which I'm
I'm fully in favor of with regards to the sidewalk
maintenance or which maintenance by the region is it their
intention to have this is an all or nothing or
is there still gonna be certain areas where it's deemed
to more efficient for the town to deal with the
situation and the region to deal with another and that
simply in my ward I take a look at rape
issue and ... that is relatively small section of sidewalk
that's on the regional road by some Kelantan it would
be far cheaper for the town to deal with that
since we've already mobilized for that area versus out in
the region send somebody out to to do a stretch
of road that topic longer long
Mr Ross that's your Medicare counseling and ... that that
so that was the discussions that are happening so there's
actually a working group right now between
all of the York region municipalities and reach out to
discuss kind of those types of details ...
the short term goal as a result of the regional
report is to define where best to reach you can
support local municipalities where the weather stations snow storage specifically
so we talk about already mentioned there's there's quite a
large ditch there that can take majority in the snow
storage but if we look at the Queensway south for
example are there there is no offer between the curb
it's also a four lane road between the curb and
yeah most used apps and those are the areas of
the reasons look to try and stop or a bit
better ... in the short term
they are looking for feedback on on long term plans
to essentially provide that way to me service on all
regional roads however there is some concern and we will
provide to see back to council in the coming meetings
... with respect to kind of what you just indicated
there it would be somewhat cost prohibitive to set up
to probe to
I guess approved that type of change given that we
have the service already within the neighborhoods adjacent to those
roads not to mention the recent standard what might be
different than town set
and in that case you would have a different standard
standard on the same
network of sidewalks
what works from a from a local neighborhood you know
on to reach road I'm not also has potential I
guess ... for more opportunity for liability as well as
outlined in the regional or from June thirtieth
Mike thank you very much with regards to the of
the first comment about to send it to a stop
to come back the the deadline was September thirtieth the
we see the possibility of having a report come back
to council with more information and allow us to make
a decision on this prior to that date
three about a bear to council and let that stuff
might be intense that's it a bit of a bit
of a short window the turnaround however we have been
part of the working group but since
I would say since the after action review January seventeenth
it's definitely been a hot topic in
... fortunate that we have a low number of kilometers
of road adjacent said that have a lack snow storage
but there are significant network of sidewalks that are just
the regional roads that have almost doubled Park historic snow
on sometimes six or eight labor so it's definitely a
hot topic and will be going back to council without
what are our record should Mr mas thank you very
much so at this point I would suggest we do
a motion to uh refer this to ... to staff
accounts receivable do you have a question or comment
thank you through Medicare certainly I'm supportive of of moving
forward in that in that fashion but I just wanted
that to mention something that I've been thinking about relationship
to this with and it deals with liability ... you
know for years I've I've had concerns or have shared
concerns of residents and businesses in the downtown centenarians later
to high street and the boulevards and sidewalks on High
Street and ... ... I'm everyone at this point is
quite aware that the reason looks after the road in
the town of sapa the sidewalks that but that's not
just in the winter time so that that was the
point I was trying to get at I think that
this the sidewalk grinding that we've done or that has
been done to try and reduce trip hazards that was
done by the town when there's issues with weeds I
believe it's the town that goes in so so my
my comment would be that I I think this this
is a good way to start the discussion but I
think that it needs to be a little bit more
fulsome and perhaps involve more than just winter maintenance and
so I would ask that perhaps Stockton sitter that when
when we send it back to them for refer review
okay okay so a motion to receive and referred to
staff by council Washington's seconded by councillor Sabo further questions
or comments all those in favor
... Hon that's carried ... we did deal off already
with ... disposition item one B. so we'll skip through
that one's that thirteen C. is excess ability advisory committee
requesting council direct the director I think I suppose be
of community services and a senior planner
is it community I was told it should be changed
but isn't development services
grants very about America right yeah that should that should
be directed to Mr part now and park staff as
opposed to develop services okay so should go to community
services
and the senior plan to attend the next meeting to
address future needs for accessibility standards and all of town
parks so it should be a senior planner who will
should be
I would defer to Mister but now I'm sure the
parts manager would be probably the right person
sorry I think I saw Mr crimes briquemont screen others
Mr but now thank you Mr but now
good morning still about American members council I think yes
the that direction should be to my department community services
with our staff yes I I believe would pertain more
to establishing
coppicing acceptable standards ... for for our parts developments ...
that's something that our staff in our department yeah but
managed and then move forward other departments will be involved
are far from there but it ultimately falls within my
jurisdiction
okay so if we can I think council Harding and
regional council grass here on the committee so I think
the intent was to to to get it to the
right spot and and what we're being told is that
the right spot is community services how are you both
okay with what the direction to go to community services
we don't accounts around councillor hardy had your hand up
where yes he did the main reason why we figured
it should go to and all the development department is
because when you're doing a subdivision not you're dealing with
the town of what the town is requesting ... you
know the subdivided to do so by getting it into
the development stage ... wonder roughing in their water sureste
can just rough a pipe bands for a splash pad
down the road or something to that nature yeah but
we're being told that to the better department to send
this to would be
Subotnick Mr but no Mr renters you guys want to
fight it out who wants it
sorry sorry sorry sorry about that Sir you Madame Marinello
I understand what that council writings thinking ... through the
development services department first and planning and pretty consultation meetings
also with development engineering wait we employment so many different
standards from the province the region that sound like the
genesis of where it job don't necessarily always come out
of our department so we take the imports from everybody
and Mr but now any staff are the ones that
should define to determine what those standards are once we
know what they are we'll put them in the development
design criteria
from the beginning of the development process so that's kind
of how it works in terms of some of these
different things okay okay sorry are you good council Harding
of we just change that that requesting ... council direct
the director of community services and senior out as a
senior staff to attend the next meeting of the accessibility
advisory committee to address future needs for accessible standards in
all towns are doing a parks make slight change so
you're you're good with that you'll you'll move that to
okay so let's move by council Harding regional council grassy
are you good with second in that or you have
other questions you're good for second I have a question
I have a question because
it would seem that it would be natural that that
would happen but unfortunately in the past so the way
that it happened at Kelso does well but we did
that with the most recent treasury bill ... development they
were gracious enough to make changes that we thought as
far as the acceptability committee work changes that would have
been a part of the accessibility act so my question
is to Mr Bucknell you know what currently do you
do as far as or if you at are you
using those accessibility standards or were they not used with
respect to the tracker built development that we just had
to redefine
Mr but now
R. two a real cut across the street the standards
that are established RPG standards for accessibility and those are
quality and referenced during those reviews are for development what
I believe in a five I don't want to speak
out of turn here but what I believe is an
elevated standard that the town of Georgian itself and the
and the committee I wish luck Clement has considerations on
a regular standard basis so out well while we have
developed everything in accordance with with provincial statutes legislative requirements
accessibility requirements globally ... elevating some of those standards to
it to a certain point is what I believe that
committees requesting us to consider and those would be things
at the end of the day those will be things
that would come to my department it would be our
park standards guidelines as well as our recreation park master
plans and that would influence the developments went out Mr
lectures and his team are looking to review applications for
developments we we would up slightly elevated standard which would
become the norm Georgina
okay ... I think it's also hard it will probably
tell you that ... what we saw worked elevated standards
in any way shape or form basically
the provincial step so that's what my questions I understand
what our standards we can ask for but it seems
to me that we have a lot of the provincial
standards in the past so you're assuring me that going
forward will be those provincial standards used properly done with
respect to future subdivision plats and if we want elevators
standards we'll have to deal with those through our committee
at three Mattamy I guess based based on my understanding
that minimal standards are met as established by the province
but in order to ensure that we're meeting what the
municipality here press you want to achieve that standard that
standard would become part process of our checklist
well thank you I appreciate it so we got the
the motion moved and I think seconded that so ...
the acceptability committee is requesting ...
the director community services and senior staff to attend one
of their meetings to have that discussion sorry counter see
where you had a question or comment
thank you through Medicare yes I am a question related
to the risks the second request that we director directorate
of planner attend the next meeting when is the next
meeting and does that give the director in planner enough
time to be appropriately prepared
when is their next meeting on not sure
do we know Rachel Mr about your your matter the
next meeting of the accessibility committee would not be scheduled
until the next term of council at this point
yeah so there's there's lots of time for them to
be prepared Mr crunch berries you have a comment I
just wanna say quickly that we don't even need council
direction to attend the meeting on this committee what's on
the committee meeting we stop at a meeting to make
the request a staff so council thank you will have
the relevant staff at the next committee meeting whatever it
may be
great so we've got it moved and seconded further questions
or comments
all those in favor
opposed carries I note other committees I've been on we
we need stop we asked staff to come and they
make a presentation so ... next item is charging accessibility
advisory committee requesting staff to conduct a feasibility study funded
by the accessibility advisory committee budget up to nine thousand
seven hundred fifty dollars for the installation of a universally
designed fully accessible family washroom with the adult change table
at DeLaSalle beach
was this part of the waterfront master plan as well
as this are we do we want to refer that
there or I'm just looking for some direction Mr but
no
... my suggestion for stop respect would be that we
would make that reference to the master plan there are
some conceptual drawings and renderings that were created as part
of phase one of the waterfront parks master plan study
those recommendations will be cut forthcoming by end of year
to council for final consideration and I will assist us
in guiding us through through the development stages of each
of those were respective Parker's I don't think accessibility advisory
committee happy user budget for the feasibility study
not to my knowledge
okay so I'm not sure maybe council Harding you can
why why why did the committee feel they needed to
make this request all
staff were sitting in on the on the
committee meeting and stuff that we were talking with regards
to at all it's the talk of opening washrooms down
you know motion to the lake or at the lake
Maria yeah I totally accessible ... you know by the
time you know there's no washer Street there are so
I mean it's hard to rather than you know one
thanks one or bodies Sir if I'm not mistaken what
do you know what rooms at the at the lake
at the beach they're not fully accessible with the family
sees cable that's what you're looking at exactly like it
should be any for seniors out I mean you know
it it's now there has to be something there with
the pilot people we got there it's the same thing
as mine I'm not gonna get into that right now
but ... you know it's like looking at for years
yeah so at this point some are you okay if
we refer this to staff I mean there's not an
accessible advisory committee coming up in the next little while
can we refer this to staff to be one of
those topics that they can discuss at the the first
accessibility advisory committee when it comes in there it tied
in with the the waterfront master plan and and
do it that way can we refer this to to
staff for further details I don't have a problem with
the ferry I just wanna make sure that staff is
just realizing what the committee is asking us for some
research on it yet be able to come back with
a report and also their first meeting yeah I think
we can do that without having to use the visor
committee's budget Mr bear with nodding his head so yeah
I don't know ... this to ... to ... Mr
but no and he will ensure that that there is
information ready for that first accessibility advisory committee ... in
twenty twenty three likely and have that as one of
the items on the agenda has at that work
that works for me okay so motion to refer this
to staff
and it's gonna get the motion moved by council hard
drive a second or second by regional council prostate cancer
wanting to expand America ... what is the budget of
this committee because
third third nonchalantly about to spend ten thousand dollars I'm
just it is very different than some of the other
committees because of the accessibility requirements so Mr Weiner
three about America councillor Boddington the budget is ten thousand
dollars at thanks ... Mr reader at rob what do
they have left
in this year do you have a no offense no
three three about America not have that currently on hand
okay ... as a as a follow up to the
... the motion that was just put on this if
look I'm just spit balling an idea here we we've
seen people in the public have to fundraise to get
an accessible swing set installed if the money is currently
in their budget for this year and since that committee
is no longer meet and for the rest of this
term can we investigate to see if that money could
be used to add an accessible swing set somewhere else
at least that way that it's been a motion for
what it's doing I know it's it's off topic for
what they're currently asking for but if we're going to
be used in the budget for what they're currently asking
for any way that money is there
councillor Harding
thank you Madame where he committee was wasn't sure if
this was get past you're not true councillor that but
can I recommend that that's our budget from last year's
that is usually ten thousand dollars we carry that over
for that project for next year they don't they don't
typically have those budgets carried over Mr reader can and
speak to that ... and I'm not sure what is
the cost of the ... extensible swing its third barely
pricey
if I can add to that if it's a swing
similar to what we've installed rock ... you're looking at
about twenty three thousand dollars yeah all right thanks for
the clarification that we're gonna yeah there are more expensive
than what you think they're not the cheapest thing I
don't like the idea of having another one it's a
great idea ... but this budget won't be able to
to be used for for ... purchasing it on its
own so
yeah
yeah all right that but I mean this was supposedly
and all allocated to go to work status all that
washer and older siblings and other issues that we've got
but accessible washers are one of the major things
it looks good on the town yeah typically ... doesn't
the committees spend some of the dollars on different accessible
items throughout the community so there was there wasn't anything
the that that the funds were used for in twenty
twenty to
and you want hoping to be able to carry the
funds over while we're all for it does it make
those funds to that project
so I don't know if we can maybe start to
that what a let Mr reader come back on Mr
reader
three three you Madame merece so I mean it council
does have a policy that we we don't roll these
funds over there is more than one committee that generally
does not spend their budget funds so that that is
the current policy that we wouldn't roll them over as
far as larger items accessibility items they they do go
through the budget process over talking about washrooms ... or
swing or anything like that it would go through the
budget process and be funded through through our capital reserves
rather than through the operating budget so that the budget
is more intended for smaller items right okay so
I'm sorry I can't remember where I am about different
speakers arriving I had the motion
at one point moved and seconded to refer this to
staff for them to follow up with at the first
accessible meeting correct Madame clerk help me here I'm I'd
spend a few minutes now that's correct not a match
I had a movie second but we hadn't voted on
because I had a question okay
we don't count across the
just just to clarify help out here
the issue with respect to major changes what a cancer
excessive build it standards ... excessive building committee has been
somewhat frustrated over the last couple years there are major
issues double style your trust they're not
you know we tried to address the accessibility committee what
a lot of the issues are our work general it
just coming through Cecilie committee at require thousands of dollars
or that what we have as part of the excess
military give you examples of both arenas what it came
to sight lines that we have built built mobility so
it's you know what was happening on the ice would
require major investments it's taken us Dave helping with three
years to be able to get anywhere near having the
proper of televisions and you're lying Street stole and if
your readers ... so we had to go to the
town for those are church although we did you some
of the money is for what at
sign Sportsplex so there are much bigger issues with respect
to the cost of
so spoke status I am going quite frankly at least
to a point where we are getting the standards Mr
but ... talked about going beyond those steps or having
a tough time just meeting all standards showing nature continue
to invest and look at other ways whether it's through
yeah ... monies that are associated to committee or eight
well much greater contribution which usually happens stroke but
Mr where refer to so I think just to clarify
what the money is that's part
just
we also have to go elsewhere just to make a
basic steps as part
your neighbors out
share comment concerning
yeah I think you hit the nail right on the
right on that yeah the head of it ... but
yeah I mean the committee
it's very accurate that does a lot of work and
we seem to be doing a lot of work and
not getting a whole lot of response back and that's
what's really well why we're having problems trying to keep
it on the executive committee but going forward I'd I'd
like us that really
try to come up with site years like this at
the end they're needed in the town I mean they're
definitely eat it now looks good on church and there's
no doubt about that but I think we're gonna have
to allocate that general budget for either items like this
or something are there but a but a dollar figure
on it each year ... you know you could spend
... half a million dollars that's still not have any
worse you can million from any company yeah
like why why don't I write one of my pet
peeves are two is
it all automatic washrooms are automatic captions oil washing out
we've done quite a few of those sets all the
regular
you're the money from the accessibility committee he's gone into
that but the other thing we need to hit on
this the stalls for people that are to have disabilities
you know the guy walked out what two canes or
somebody in a wheelchair
it all has got a button to push and you've
got a site with the door I mean you put
yourself in a wheelchair and try that I mean I've
done that I've sat in a wheelchair that's how you
get the feel for everything and you can understand exactly
what committee is after would you try that and you
know so it's it's just one of those things with
that so much that we didn't have a lot of
work to do on it that's for sure that's for
sure thank you
okay I'm pretty sure I got the motion to refer
this to staff moved and seconded all those in favor
lows and that's carried
next is the Georgian accessibility advisory committee requesting staff create
an updated communication plan for the promotion of Georgina's accessible
spaces and a game with the committee not meeting for
for some time I'm wondering if we can refer this
to probably I'm thinking maybe even Mr crowns berry's office
or ...
Mr nasties office to to discuss this so I can
refer it to do you want referred to you Mr
nasty and then the the game at the the first
new accessibility advisory committee meeting ... perhaps of this can
be on the agenda as well to discuss our communication
plans because I know I think each other committees
would like to have information out there more about ...
you know equity diversity and and water ways and different
things but but to council hurting you had to your
hand up for a comment yeah yes just a very
quickly are basically one of these things just like the
town's social media yes they could put something in for
you know under that that ... if anybody sees something
that needs to be addressed well they can address it
through the and all the social
and all media or they can get in touch with
staff for with a number beside it search for that
it's telling of that we do have a twenty exactly
yeah and I think you for at the first meeting
of and and getting closer second meeting because sometimes orientation
but I think having communication stop go and sort of
give the expectations of what what the staff can provide
as we have a fairly small communications staff but what
can they do for the committees what they they do
do in terms of promotion of those various committees and
the activities of of those committee so I think it's
important if as part of that orientation that for those
new commit that new committee in for all the committees
that so we'll get Mr nasty and his staff to
provide some information to those committing so so we can
route a motion to refer this to ... Mr asking
for discussion with the twenty twenty three accessibility advisory committees
moved by councillor Harding seconded by regional council Rossi questions
or comments all those in favor
lows and that's carried
next is the Georgian equity diversity advice committee requesting staff
to create an anti racism policy and this is on
page
two oh seven of the repaired agenda ... I'll read
out the the full part of it so you understand
that the diversity committee request that council direct staff to
create a town of Georgina anti racism policy and the
staff will take the following first steps because committee realizes
that you just don't create a and he racism policy
overnight it's it's a long process but they're looking for
the first steps ... that human resources will become an
employer partner with the Canadian center for diversity and inclusion
I will be seeking to enter into a senior three
year partnership commitment which will be embedded into in the
HR strategic plan and the staff report back to the
Georgian actor never city arrived committee and then new truck
of office with an update on this initiative and I
don't know if ... Belfort Moffett Misbah and wishes to
make any comment on this you have a question councillor
Washington
thanks my merits review and defend this month it's going
to be here that's even better
just a cursory look into becoming a employer partner with
the Canadian center for diversity inclusion ... I saw figures
looking at costs between three thousand and ninety five hundred
dollars per year ... and were looking to approve right
now up to a three year partnership with us I
I I'd I'd rather it come back to council with
actual details of of what that partnership includes how much
it's actually going to cost us and the and what
the town gains from it well maybe this market can
there was a little bit now this market
thank you through you madam Mary
D. at the center for diversity and inclusion it's a
really good place for us to start and ... I
believe that three thousand to ninety five hundred is that
three thousand per year and if we go for the
three years it which we would go up to that
in total nine thousand dollars ... but we do have
the money in our budget to add to take that
on this year to start that partnership of four twelve
month period and that the the committee wanted us to
start with creating a policy which is really one of
the last steps the first steps that we have to
take is really looking at ... our organization ... trying
to pull together some data which is a little bit
of a struggle for us because we we don't have
an H. R. I. S. system that identifies some of
the diversity that we would like to be able to
identify in our organization so next year we'll have our
H. R. I. S. for up and running we will
have the partnership with the center for diversity and inclusion
and I think it's a really good place to start
well look the
our clerk through you to to both of them
okay three thousand dollars know from within your budget what
are the overall
costs like
walk us through what becoming a partner actually ... not
only forces us to do allows us to do ...
you know benefits it gives us but also some of
the stuff that we have to do in the background
but ... you know on our end of this partnership
... because what what I'm curious is you know do
we become a partner and then immediately have to send
all staff to diversity training and it's these kind of
things I would like to get which I'm not opposed
to by any means but I'd like to get up
a full view of what ... what we're actually committed
to because as it stands right now we're we're doing
this based on a two sentence
I'm comment on on the agenda
so at three Madame mayor to council whiting ten what
the partnership will do for us is really help us
develop a strategy and go forward strategy what that strategy
I'm assuming will include yes staff need training we need
to create a policy we need to pull together some
data from from our system ... what we need to
look at our HR policies and make sure that they
are inclusive ... so really what it would be doing
is creating a strategy for us to look at all
of the different aspects and any of those that have
significant cost to them would have to come back to
council to say is this something that we should be
spending money on what are our priorities right now and
how I mean looking at the HR policies um with
somebody from the center to say to us this is
good this is good this is good this is not
so good ... is is a really good place for
us to start so it's really looking at what we
have what we need to do what is our strategy
look like going forward and what are the total includes
the cost of all of that ... so it's really
partnering with them to help take us down that road
if thanks bye bye I appreciate that ... the idea
of ...
I'll be given the partnership ... and find any of
that information sounds good ... when we officially become a
partner have we committed to doing everything that they require
no absolutely not absolutely not it's like a membership with
any organization we are going to tap into their resources
there are ... specialists ... and and help them guide
us through the creation of our strategy by the OP
partner it it's basically getting a membership with the center
to be able to tap into the resources that they
have already established
okay thank you
further questions or comments
okay do I have a mover in a second ...
on this one
need a mobile by council zero second by regional council
grassy all those in favor
opposed and that's carried
let's see next
is from the Georgian agreed oversee advisory committee providing the
final hate has no place here decal designer requesting staff
move forward the creation and distribution of said that cold
I gotta tell you that that the court may have
been created
of we had the permission to go ahead this is
the the the the decal and they are in the
process of being distributed through various town facilities I think
...
not sure Mr but no do you have the details
I think the libraries
yes about American I can offer I will take the
fall and some of this this is that we this
decision was made back in June it was to come
to council it's unfortunate getting out of council's agenda at
this point ... those tackles have been with with a
minor tweak to what you see in your your agenda
packages for design purposes the decal is round so the
the local has been placed below the heart shaped hands
and be eight has no place here is more circular
yes that's that's the that is the final approved design
that matter moving up
any at the committee members and staff were quite Seles
in moving forward we are celebrating our first inaugural ceremony
at the ... the pan African flag festival and at
that festival there were they were also being circulated ...
end up put up for display so there they'll be
available at these different locations and at the intent is
to be able to put basically post them in one
window to support via it has no place here
so for businesses from on your car on your home
so they're out there in a few members of council
want one will make sure that show you get one
in ... your next agenda package so ... so I
need a motion probably just to I just received
because we already have created them so moved by accounts
receivable seconded by councillor Fellini all those in favor
posted that scary and I got I have to tell
you that yeah great numbers committee was really happy to
build move forward with this project comments something they've been
talking about for a while ... as all of us
know sometimes committees can get really bogged down and and
don't feel they're moving forward initiatives so they were really
happy to to see this one happened there was a
cultural food flyer there was a pan African flag festival
that was raising and and ... event last week and
certainly the ... anti racism policy that that membership is
a game the first step in a in a long
journey of an anti racism policy but you have to
start somewhere so I just wanna thank members of council
for your support and ... moving us forward ... did
we vote on that I think we did I can't
remember I'm getting my brains punching okay so moving on
to the last one Georgina trails and active transportation advisory
committee requesting staff investigate the use of a trail captain
program in Georgina
and I'm not sure councillor wanted in your on this
committee any comments M. A. M. but ... this was
actually voted we're sorry brought forward by ... not only
Bob Ferguson of the town ... apart from it but
... concert Siebel so I don't still nobody thought okay
side really endorse it I forgot accounts receivables on the
committee to councillor stable you want to speak to this
thank you through Medicare ... certainly this is a an
initiative that was brought to our attention by Mr Ferguson
... having been ... employed in the township of Bucks
first which touts itself as a trail capital of Canada
and they use the trail captain program there was some
success so he was very supportive of the idea and
therefore the trails and active transportation advisory committee felt it
prudent to request a staff investigate utilizing that trail captain
program here in Virginia okay so the two of you
are moving and seconding endorsing this being investigated okay move
job accounts receivable second by council Washington all those in
favor
hose and that's scary
okay general information items on page two eleven was anything
else be removed for discussion Madame clerk
no it was not not America okay so I need
a motion to receive the general information items moved by
read accounts across the second by council Harding all those
in favor
lows and that's carried briefly knows we've got the approval
of the economic development grant applications on page two hundred
to twelve is there any questions or comments on that
one if not a motion to receive moved by councillor
Fellini seconded by councillor CBOE all those in favor opposed
and that's carried there's no committee of adjustment planning matters
there's some I don't think any motions are notices of
motions are either on Madame clerk
no there are not okay regional business anything you want
to bring forward at this time regional council grassy
okay and other business there wasn't any business I think
that was left on done on this meeting are we
have the one two three four bylaws twenty a motion
for those for bylaws moved by councillor Waddington's seconded by
read accounts across the all those in favor ... that's
carried we do have a closed session so I need
a motion to move into closed session of council um
first item is the approval closed session minutes second is
item B. as a position plan procedure criteria or instruction
to be applied to any negotiations carried on or to
be carried on
on B. R. on behalf of the municipality or local
board section two three nine two K. the municipal act
this is regards to negotiations on the Garrett style servicing
items C. is litigation or potential litigation including matters before
administrative tribunals affecting the municipality or local board section two
three nine two C. D. two E. R. the minutes
but this is an update on the path allow fire
hall and item D. as a proposal pending acquisition or
disposition of land by the municipality or local board section
two three nine to see the municipal act this is
the river ridge drive property motion going to closed session
moved by
councillor Waddington seconded by
councillor Harding all those in favor
lows and that's carried so we'll go into closed session
and we'll come back out and rise in report
in a little bit
and we were in closed session we all make sure
we're ready to get okay I need a motion to
reconvene into open session of council report on matters discussed
in closed session moved by councillor Waddington's seconded by councillor
Harding all those in favor
close that's carried Madame clerk a let you go through
the reporting out
thank you Madame
in regard to closed session item eighteen when a on
the agenda being adoption of closed session minutes regional council
rusty previously declared a pecuniary interests and will not be
taking part in the about in the vote to adopt
the reference minutes that council adopted following minutes June ninth
July fourteenth October sixth October twenty seventh twenty twenty one
and January twelfth March thirtieth and April sixth twenty twenty
two
so I need to move in a second ... for
adopting those minutes moved by council one in the second
by council for Laney all those in favor
opposed and that's Kerry please note the regional council crossing
did not vote or discuss that item next Mr you
Madame closed session item H. U. one A. on the
agenda being the adoption of closed session minutes regional council
crossing councillor Fellini previously declared trust I will not be
taking part in the vote to adopt the reference minutes
that council adopted following minutes may nineteenth twenty twenty one
I need a mover in a second ... for those
minutes moved by council wanted in second by council Harding
all those in favor
... is that's carried in please note that councillor Fellini
regional council Rossi did not interested in any discussion or
the vote
thank you Madame merit this point we will need help
or seek out to take over as chair charter accounts
receivable years
thank you through marinera will take over the chair momentarily
here ... through you madam clerk what what are we
working on at this point in regard to close session
item eighteen when a on the agenda being it optional
closed session minutes network and regional council grassy previously declared
a pecuniary interest I will not be taking part of
your folks to adopt the reference minutes council document the
following minutes may twenty fifth twenty twenty two
thank you so here are a motion and seconded about
those minutes moved by Kelso Washington seconded by councillor Harding
all those in favor
motion carried and I will turn the chair back overview
about America
perfect thank you Madame clerk
we're going to close session item eighty one and it's
optional closed session minutes that the that council adopted following
February third February twenty fourth April fourteenth April twenty eighth
may fifth June twenty third August eleventh September night September
fifteenth September twenty second September twenty ninth November third November
seventeenth December eighth and December fifteenth twenty twenty one and
February second February sixteenth March second March twenty third April
thirteenth April twenty seventh may fourth may eleventh may eighteenth
June twenty second July twenty third twenty twenty two
okay that's a lot I need a mover in a
second ... moved by
also what it in second by council Fellini all those
in favor
close and that's carried
in regard to closed session item eighteen one be on
the agenda under section two thirty nine to cap the
municipal act being a position plan procedure criteria or instruction
to be applied to any negotiations carried on or to
be carried on by or on behalf of the municipality
or local board regarding negotiations carousel servicing that council direct
staff in this list search proceed accordingly I need to
move on a second ... for that moved by
accounts receivable second by council Fellini all those in favor
... send that's carried the next one in regard to
closed session item eighteen wanna see on the agenda under
section two thirty nine to eat the municipal act being
litigation or potential litigation including matters before administrative tribunals affecting
the municipality or local boards regarding petrol acquired whole that
council received the solicitor's update
I need a mover to center on that move by
council Harding seconded by
L. 30 all those in favor
that's carried
in regard to closed session item eighteen one D. on
the agenda under section two thirty ninety CM the municipal
act being a proposed or pending acquisition or disposition of
land by the municipality or local board regarding regrets drive
that council direct staff to proceed accordingly
I need to move on a second for that moved
by councillor Laney second by councillor Sybil all those in
favor
opposed and that's carried
okay thank you and we are at the end of
the meeting and I just need a confirming by long
moved by council which accounts across the seconded by councillor
Harding all those in favor close that's carried a motion
to adjourn
nobody
cal's are hurting and regional council grassy all those in
favor opposed that's Kerry thanks very much everybody enjoy the
rest of another beautiful summer day and we'll see you