1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,640 Good evening, I'd like to call to order 2 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:04,000 this public hearing for the council for 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,840 the Borough of Gettysburg. 4 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,400 Monday, February 2nd, 2026, 6:30 p.m. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,120 Um we do need to record a roll call of 6 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:15,520 everybody in the room. Uh so we will 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,680 start over here with Sergeant Evans. 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,200 We'll go around 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,920 the table this way. And then we need to 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,400 work our way back and forth through the 11 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,240 gallery. Everybody needs to say their 12 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,320 name out loud, please. 13 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Um Sergeant Evans, please. 14 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,600 >> Sergeant Christopher Evans. 15 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,920 >> Thank you. 16 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,910 >> Mayor Chad Alencar. 17 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,560 » Kimberly Myers. 18 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,160 >> William Mooney. 19 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:40,480 >> Chris Berger. 20 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:41,920 >> Alicia Sanders. 21 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,710 >> Matthew Moon. 22 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,560 » Peter Bales. 23 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,320 >> Jeff Rio. 24 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,480 >> Sarah Stoll, Borough Secretary. 25 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:52,880 >> Charles Gable, Borough Manager. 26 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,200 >> John Whitmore, Planning Director. 27 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,800 >> Chad Clebowicz, Engineer. 28 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,400 >> All right. Uh Ella, would you mind 29 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,080 stating your name for the records in the 30 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,840 hearing, please? 31 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,240 >> Yeah. 32 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Elizabeth Prieto. 33 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,640 >> Thank you. 34 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,440 >> Stacey Steffan. 35 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,760 >> All right, over here, please. 36 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,280 >> Harlan Lawson. 37 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,880 >> Alaina Murray. 38 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,520 >> Thank you. 39 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,080 And then in the back. 40 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:15,680 Thank you. 41 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,640 >> Jennifer Daniels. 42 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,000 >> Thank you. 43 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,160 >> Cindy Small. 44 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,360 >> Carolyn Waggaman. 45 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,920 >> Mary Grace Kaufman. 46 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,400 >> Troy Dean. 47 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,480 >> Kelly O'Connor. 48 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,320 >> All right. Did we miss anybody? Did 49 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:27,560 everybody state their name and is 50 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,080 everybody signed in? 51 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,510 All right, thank you all. 52 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,000 Um 53 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,480 Mr. Lawson, would you like to take the 54 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,520 podium? 55 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,136 >> Thank you. 56 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:48,230 » [snorts] 57 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:49,360 » Are you ready for me to start my 58 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,080 presentation? 59 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:50,560 >> Certainly. 60 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,960 >> Great. 61 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,960 So my name is Harlan Lawson. I work with 62 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,080 GMS Funding Solutions. I'm assisting the 63 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Adams County Children's Advocacy Center 64 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,360 with their brighter tomorrow center 65 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,200 renovations project. 66 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Um I'd like to first start out by 67 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,760 thanking the borough staff for their 68 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,280 collaboration and coordination getting 69 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,119 this meeting scheduled and then 70 00:02:09,119 --> 00:02:11,760 rescheduled with the weather event we we 71 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,760 received about a week ago. I appreciate 72 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,480 you all your efforts on that front. 73 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Each year approximately 12% of the um 74 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,040 state's CDBG allocation is set aside for 75 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,680 the discretionary CDBG program. 76 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Any eligible Act 179 entitlement borough 77 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,920 like Gettysburg is able to apply to that 78 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,000 program if 75% or more of their most 79 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,360 recent entitlement allocation is 80 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,800 approved for a project. 81 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Um as we were we were fortunate enough 82 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,760 to be selected for the borough's FY 2025 83 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,880 entitlement allocation 84 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,720 and that unlocks our ability to apply. 85 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,320 So as a follow-up to that we would like 86 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,120 to um submit a $1.2 million request to 87 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,400 the discretionary CDBG program, 88 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,160 sometimes referred to as the competitive 89 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,880 CDBG program, for the brighter tomorrow 90 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,000 center renovation project. 91 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,440 The CAC is currently um located at 450 92 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,880 West Middle Street where they provide a 93 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,840 limited number of services. Those 94 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,560 services are limited to what they could 95 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 provide due to layout and security 96 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,400 constraints. The renovations at 224 97 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,200 Baltimore Street will provide ample room 98 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,600 to accommodate the CAC's wide array of 99 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,760 programs and services including child 100 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,840 abuse investigations, forensic 101 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,200 interviews, medical exams and clinical 102 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,120 care, and mental health services. 103 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,640 The project itself is eligible under the 104 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,760 areas benefiting low and moderate income 105 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,120 persons national objective 106 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,840 via the limited clientele category 107 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,640 as abused children are considered a 108 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,280 presumed benefit population. 109 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,040 Any renovations or improvements 110 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,920 constructed at the facility will 111 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,800 directly expand the CA's the CAC's 112 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,880 ability to provide services to that 113 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 presumed benefit population. 114 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Since our last presentation, we were 115 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,320 fortunate to receive $500,000 from the 116 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,000 local share account grant towards the 117 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,600 project. This was a grant program that 118 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,240 we applied for 119 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,480 in 2024 and we were awarded funds 120 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,560 towards the end of 2025. 121 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,560 We also toured the DCED Deputy Secretary 122 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,040 Rick Valello 123 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,280 at the facility in January and received 124 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:23,240 very encouraging feedback from the 125 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,919 Deputy Secretary on the project's 126 00:04:24,919 --> 00:04:27,120 competitiveness for the discretionary 127 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,600 CDBG program. 128 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,160 So with that, on behalf of the 129 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,880 Children's Advocacy Center, I'd like to 130 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,480 respectfully request that the Borough 131 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Council entertain a resolution to apply 132 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,160 to the competitive CDBG program for $1.2 133 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,040 million 134 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,200 for the Brighter Tomorrows Center 135 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,320 Renovations project and I'm happy to 136 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,520 answer any questions that the the 137 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,320 Council may have 138 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,600 on that request. Thank you. 139 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,680 >> All right. Um, 140 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,120 do we ask questions in a hearing? I 141 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,080 don't think we do, do we? 142 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,520 >> No. 143 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,800 Um, so alas, we are not able to ask you 144 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,880 any questions this evening, but for the 145 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,480 folks who came in, do please record your 146 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,200 names for us. Thank you. 147 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,870 Um 148 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,560 Is there any other information we need 149 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,800 to discuss at this moment? 150 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,800 >> Just a procedural matter. If you do have 151 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,560 questions, 152 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,400 you would be able to ask those at the 153 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,320 formal business meeting, which will be 154 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,120 after this. 155 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,440 >> Right. 156 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,320 All right. So at this point, we are here 157 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,440 to accept public comment on this 158 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:25,919 application. 159 00:05:25,919 --> 00:05:27,919 Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lawson. So is there 160 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:29,600 anybody here who would like to speak for 161 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:37,750 or against this intended use? 162 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,120 » Can I We weren't 163 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,000 expecting to say anything, but we're all 164 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,840 here 165 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,160 in support. 166 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,400 >> Okay. Did anybody You to make a 167 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,120 statement? 168 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,360 This is a public hearing, so we're here 169 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:54,830 to hear your your statements. 170 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,800 » This is a prior board member, but 171 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,200 >> I know. [laughter] I know, Irene. I 172 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,480 know. 173 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,040 We need you to state your name and your 174 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,120 address, please. 175 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,760 >> My name is Irene Powell. 176 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,320 And I live at 212 Springs Avenue. 177 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,720 Uh 178 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,120 a few houses down from Matt and around 179 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,640 the corner from Chris. 180 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Um I'm a not a current board member, but 181 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,120 I have been for 6 years and I'll come 182 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,960 back again in June. 183 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,160 We've been working on this quest 184 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,400 for many years because the Children's 185 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,720 Advocacy Center has long outgrown the 186 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,040 capacity of their current location 187 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,000 on Middle Street. 188 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,240 So, this is 189 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,360 a greatly needed thing for all of the 190 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,800 children in this county 191 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,960 and their caregivers. 192 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,080 And it's it's really really important. 193 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,200 But, I do want to add 194 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,280 this is a really neat old building 195 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:50,200 right on Baltimore Street 196 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,960 and we're going to comply and fully 197 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,440 intend to have it 198 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,840 face the community the way it has for 199 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:00,640 I don't know how many years. And it's 200 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,520 one of the only properties that has a 201 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,480 front lawn. 202 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,280 So, we're going to take good care to 203 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,800 preserve everything as best as possible 204 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,720 and be an integral part of the whole 205 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,120 downtown community, participate in 206 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,040 celebrations, 207 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,720 be present. We will be there for 208 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,440 everybody. I just wanted to add that 209 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,960 little bit. Thank you. 210 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,680 >> Thank you, Irene. 211 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:33,990 Is there any other statements? 212 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,520 » Hello. Thank you for the opportunity to 213 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,320 speak. I'm Cindy Small. I'm the vice 214 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,840 president of the board of the Children's 215 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,960 Advocacy Center. And I think it might be 216 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,720 important to point out what might happen 217 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,280 if we are not able to move into this 218 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,080 expanded space. Currently, we're really 219 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,720 able to to 220 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,080 with utmost privacy 221 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,840 serve one child at a time in the old 222 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,920 overstuffed house 223 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,920 uh we are grateful for this house and 224 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,120 for the members of the community that 225 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,000 started the CAC over 20 years ago. But 226 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 what we have done as an organization 227 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,160 is we've grown from a service that 228 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,360 provides the very basic most required 229 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,960 services for these children in the 230 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,600 immediate time where they may need to uh 231 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,960 be seen or have to make an appearance in 232 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,760 court 233 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,080 to working with these children as they 234 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,640 grow into teenagers and into adults. We 235 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,360 are with them for life, we tell them. We 236 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,560 do not discharge 237 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,880 these children at the end of a forensic 238 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,080 interview or at the end of mental health 239 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,520 services. We tell them and their 240 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,880 families, which is another extension of 241 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,360 what we do, that we uh will provide 242 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,160 these services. Therefore, this house 243 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,839 that we would be 244 00:09:06,839 --> 00:09:09,200 uh rehabilitating 245 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,480 will also provide support services for 246 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,880 the families. We have um 247 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,200 support groups for teenagers 248 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,120 that goes, let's say if it extends for 6 249 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,400 weeks, we've had the teenagers in the 250 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,520 support groups ask us if they could stay 251 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,080 for another 6 weeks because of the 252 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,680 difference that it provides for them in 253 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:34,600 their lives. So I guess it is really an 254 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,680 example of the fact that we've expanded 255 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:41,080 our services to encompass these young 256 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,480 children and their families as they grow 257 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,560 so that they can be healthy adults in 258 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,400 our community 259 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,440 and can appreciate a good life because 260 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,560 of us being able to have the room to 261 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:57,160 provide the extra services that are 262 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,480 really important for them to move 263 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,800 forward. Thank you for the opportunity. 264 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,160 >> All right, thank you. 265 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,480 Uh for everybody who just entered the 266 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,240 room, we are in the middle of a hearing. 267 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,640 If you intend to stay in the room, we do 268 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,600 need you to sign in at the podium. 269 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,400 Is there any further public comment? 270 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,670 Thank you. 271 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,240 » Hi, I'm Alida Murray, the executive 272 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,120 director of the Adams County Children's 273 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,640 Advocacy Center and uh the hopeful executive director of the 274 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,800 Future Bright Tomorrow's Center. So, I 275 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,320 thought um you know, I've got our board 276 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,040 members here doing a wonderful job of 277 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,360 explaining what the what the value is 278 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,720 long-term to the community, but I 279 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,600 thought it would be helpful 280 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,720 in the here and now to give you a sense 281 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,960 of the numbers that we are talking about 282 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,800 in terms of what's happening within our 283 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,400 Adams County community. So, in 2025, the 284 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Adams County Children's Advocacy Center 285 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,800 conducted received referrals for 538 286 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,720 referrals across Adams County. 287 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,600 We served at our little one child at a 288 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,440 time center at 450 West Middle Street 289 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,560 244 children accompanied by their family 290 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,360 members, meaning their non-offending 291 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,200 caregivers and their siblings or other 292 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,360 family members. So, think about in the 293 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,080 scope of a year one at a time 244 294 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,240 children walk through our doors. 295 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,360 Um and what an amazing difference it 296 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,920 would make to have be able to be able to 297 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,839 provide an additional level of support 298 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:24,520 for who however many of those other 299 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,440 remaining of the 538 kids who we weren't 300 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,160 able to serve. 301 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,480 Um 302 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,120 to put a number on it in terms of 303 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,720 Gettysburg and Gettysburg um 304 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,000 the Gettysburg area, the areas um that 305 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,680 is served by Gettysburg area school 306 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,680 district, 24% of our kids come from 307 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:44,360 Gettysburg area school district 308 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,640 residences. So, the um in terms of what 309 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,160 the borough and the and the kind of 310 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,880 surrounding areas, that's 24% of the 311 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,720 service continuum here in Adams County 312 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,040 to put a reference on that. So, um yes, 313 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,720 the decision, if you were to make the 314 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,200 decision and I hope you do to um 315 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,040 to approve this resolution, it's not 316 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,560 just a today decision, but it's a 317 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,200 forever decision for kids in Adams 318 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,760 County. So, thank you for your 319 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,880 consideration. 320 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,630 >> Thank you. Any further public comment? 321 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,240 All right, seeing none, we will adjourn 322 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:33,510 to our next special meeting. 323 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,960 business meeting for the Borough Council 324 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,280 for the Borough of Gettysburg for 325 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,720 Monday, February 2nd, 2026 6:50 p.m. 326 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:48,230 that we are commencing at 6:44 p.m. 327 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 All right. Uh so, we only have one 328 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,200 matter of business before us here, and 329 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,040 that is a potential resolution to 330 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,560 support uh this this application for 331 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:59,720 grant funding. Uh Mr. Whitmer, could you 332 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,750 please give us the pertinent facts? 333 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,600 » This is a complement to the prior FY2025 334 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,160 CDBG project. It's basically the you 335 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,240 you've uh 336 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,960 they've been able to attain a certain 337 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,520 level of funding through the um 338 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,920 uh the guaranteed funds associated with 339 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,080 being a state entitlement community. 340 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,320 Uh this will allow them to then stretch 341 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,520 the dollars to the 1.2 million as 342 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,560 presented earlier at the public hearing. 343 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,160 Um specific project um 344 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,240 details and such I would recommend 345 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,640 asking the applicant specific questions. 346 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,640 >> Okay. 347 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,040 So, a little background for council 348 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,000 members. Uh last year we did vote to 349 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,680 allocate our CDBG funds for the year uh 350 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:46,400 to this project. 351 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Um I'm going to sort of loosely 352 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,640 paraphrase the story, but essentially 353 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,640 what we are providing them is seed money 354 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,160 to begin their actual fundraising 355 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,560 campaign. They needed to establish that 356 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,320 they had the support and the financial 357 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,360 support of the municipality to open up 358 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,440 this other funding stream for them. 359 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,600 So, if we were to adopt this resolution 360 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,560 this evening, what we would be doing is 361 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,400 continuing um 362 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,280 to help them find the funding they need. 363 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,320 Um I don't believe we're actually voting 364 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,760 to contribute any additional funds 365 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,360 ourselves at this point. Is that 366 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,000 correct? All right. 367 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,200 Does anybody have any questions for Mr. 368 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:25,030 Lawson? 369 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Okay. Would anybody care to make the 370 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,400 motion? 371 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,040 >> I will. 372 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,520 >> Um Matt, do we have to do It says public 373 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,400 comment before. 374 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,920 >> Oh, you're right. I'm so sorry. 375 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,400 Uh is there any public comment before we 376 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,440 do that? 377 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,920 >> I'm so sorry. Thank you. 378 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:39,920 >> Okay. 379 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Would anybody care to make that 380 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:41,520 resolution? 381 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:42,760 >> Sure. 382 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,480 Going to read from the board. 383 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,600 Um a motion to adopt resolution number 384 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,070 0122626 385 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,640 authorizing the submission of an 386 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,960 application to the Pennsylvania 387 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,560 Department of Community and Economic 388 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Development by the Borough of Gettysburg 389 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,320 for grant funding through the 390 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,200 competitive Community Development Block 391 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,560 Grant CB CDBG-C 392 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,000 program to support the Adams County 393 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Children's Advocacy Center Writer 394 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,600 Tomorrow's Center renovation project at 395 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,080 224 Baltimore Street within the Borough 396 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,839 of Gettysburg. Charles R. Gable, MPA, 397 00:15:16,839 --> 00:15:18,600 Borough Manager and Sarah L. Stoll, 398 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Borough Secretary are are authorized to 399 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,760 sign, attest, execute, and deliver any 400 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,440 necessary application forms and 401 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,080 documents required for the submission of 402 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,480 the CDBG-C Grant Program application. 403 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,040 >> Is there a second? 404 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:33,920 >> Second. 405 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,320 >> We have a motion and a second. Is there 406 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,990 any discussion? 407 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,160 All those in favor, please say I. 408 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,000 >> I. 409 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Any opposed? 410 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,840 All right, that motion carries. Is there 411 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,240 any additional public comment on this 412 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,830 matter? 413 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,680 All right, thank you all. We are 414 00:15:51,680 --> 00:16:00,950 adjourned. 415 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,960 Good evening, everybody. I'd like to 416 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,520 call to order 417 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,960 this workshop for the Borough of 418 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,280 Gettysburg Borough Council 419 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,480 for February 2nd, 2026. 420 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,520 We do have a very full room tonight, so 421 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,040 I just like to remind everybody, please 422 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,480 make sure you've signed in at the door, 423 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,040 particularly if you intend to speak this 424 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,160 evening. 425 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,520 And what a lovely moment this would be 426 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,280 for everybody to silence their phones. 427 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Okay. 428 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,120 Uh couple announcements. 429 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,760 An executive session was conducted by 430 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,520 the Borough Council of the Borough of 431 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:30,880 Gettysburg immediately following the 432 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,720 adjournment of its monthly general 433 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,600 business meeting held on January 12th, 434 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000 2026, consistent with Section of the 435 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,950 Sunshine Act. 436 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,120 An executive session of the Borough 437 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,720 Council will be conducted immediately 438 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,120 following the adjournment of this 439 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,080 evening's monthly work session meeting, 440 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,640 consistent with Section 708 A1, Section 441 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,080 708 A5 of the Sunshine Act, for the 442 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,400 following purposes. One, to provide 443 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,160 updated information and to discuss 444 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,480 matters involving the employment or 445 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,000 appointment of current or prospective 446 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Borough employees, and two, to review 447 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,720 and discuss matters of Borough business, 448 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,600 which if conducted in public could lead 449 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,360 to the disclosure of information or 450 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,600 confidentiality protected by law. 451 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,600 Uh we do not have any special 452 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,880 presentations this evening, so we'll 453 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,640 move directly into our first public 454 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,520 comment section of the evening. This 455 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,520 section is reserved for items appearing 456 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,600 on tonight's agenda. 457 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,319 Uh we ask that you use the podium, speak 458 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:24,600 directly into the microphone, please 459 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,319 state your name and your address of 460 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:27,760 residence, 461 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,000 and please limit yourself to 5 minutes. 462 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,840 If you do approach the 5-minute mark, I 463 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,600 will ask you to conclude your thoughts 464 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,200 as it seems there might be multiple 465 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,400 people who would like to speak this 466 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,440 evening. 467 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,412 Uh is there any public comment? 468 00:17:42,422 --> 00:17:47,270 » [snorts] 469 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,680 » Since everyone's storming, I'll go 470 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,320 first. 471 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,282 >> Thank you. 472 00:17:50,282 --> 00:17:50,520 >> [clears throat] 473 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,520 >> My name is Miranda Weiser. My home 474 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,720 address is 30 Musket Drive, Gettysburg. 475 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,400 My work address is 140 Baltimore Street, 476 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,240 where I am the executive director of the 477 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,640 Adams County Library System. 478 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,040 First, I want to recognize and thank the 479 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,840 many library supporters that are in the 480 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,160 audience this evening. So, thank you for 481 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,880 coming out and supporting us. 482 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Community members with I'm speaking to 483 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,400 uh number of 300 new business PB 222-4, 484 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,560 the expansion of the historic district. 485 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Community members with close connection 486 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,280 to HARB have approached us at the 487 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,680 library to tell us that this is a move 488 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,080 to control the library's future 489 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,720 development plans on the south side of 490 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,800 the seminary campus, and in doing so, 491 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,960 perhaps usurp the Borough Council's 492 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,520 authority. 493 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,160 While I don't want to speculate to the 494 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,880 validity of these rumors or why anyone 495 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,920 would want to injure the economic 496 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,120 liberty of an institution 497 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,520 dedicated to to the public good, the 498 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,400 functional outcome of this expansion 499 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,840 will be exactly what the rumors assert. 500 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,480 This change will make future development 501 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,240 for the library system 502 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,080 and any other property owner in the area 503 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,320 significantly more challenging and 504 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,480 expensive. 505 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,280 The properties and landmarks of genuine 506 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,240 historic significance within this area 507 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,960 are already preserved through the 508 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,680 Seminary Ridge Historic Preservation 509 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,600 Foundation. 510 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,200 And view shed protections from the 511 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,040 National Park Service. 512 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,880 These those structures in the area that 513 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,280 merit historic Civil War era oversight 514 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,920 currently fall within the existing 515 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,960 harbor responsibilities. 516 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,520 Expanding the district further would 517 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,440 therefore create overlapping layers of 518 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,240 regulation without providing meaningful 519 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,120 additional preservation benefits. 520 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,040 Instead, such an expansion would have 521 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,400 negative consequences. 522 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,520 It will significantly restrict 523 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,480 development, rehabilitation, and 524 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,080 adaptive reuse, particularly for 525 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,280 buildings constructed in the 1960s and 526 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,840 1970s 527 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,840 that do not possess the same historic 528 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,520 character or significance of other 529 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,880 protected buildings. 530 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,000 These structures require flexibility for 531 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,400 modernization in order to remain 532 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,280 functional, economically viable, and 533 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,080 align with the contemporary building 534 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,880 standards of today. 535 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,120 Imposing historic regulations on these 536 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:23,840 later era buildings would discourage 537 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,760 investment, slow redevelopment, and 538 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,720 hinder the area's ability to evolve 539 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,680 responsibly. 540 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Preservation and progress are not 541 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,640 mutually exclusive. 542 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,880 And the current framework 543 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,400 existing already strikes a reasonable 544 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,880 balance between protecting truly 545 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,760 historic assets while allowing 546 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,600 appropriate growth elsewhere. 547 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,600 For these reasons, I urge the council to 548 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,960 deny the proposed expansion exploration 549 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,960 and to maintain the existing historic 550 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,280 district boundaries. Doing so will 551 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,800 preserve our community's heritage 552 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,920 without unnecessarily constraining 553 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,560 development, modernization, 554 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200 or economic vitality. Thank you. 555 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,320 >> Thank you. 556 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,910 Public comment. 557 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,840 » Good evening. My name is Judy Morley. My 558 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,120 home address is 1210 White Church Road, 559 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,480 Gettysburg. My work address is 61 560 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,160 Seminary Ridge, 561 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,640 Gettysburg. I am the president of the 562 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,200 Seminary Ridge Historic Preservation 563 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,160 Foundation. I am also the author of um 564 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,280 several books and articles on historic 565 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,560 preservation policy, and it is what I 566 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,200 got my doctoral dissertation what I did 567 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,240 my doctoral dissertation on. My books 568 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,600 are still required reading in city 569 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,840 planning 570 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,480 uh curricula throughout the United 571 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,440 States. I don't say that to brag. I say 572 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,760 that to say that I stand before you 573 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,480 today as someone who understands the 574 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,760 balance between historic preservation 575 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,960 and development. And there must always, 576 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,840 for a community to stay vital, there 577 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,560 must always be a balance between 578 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,840 historic preservation and development. 579 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600 When you lose that balance, you get 580 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,320 Disneyland or you get Colonial 581 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,760 Williamsburg. 582 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,480 And we are a community where people live 583 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,120 and work as well as come to visit. 584 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,800 So, the Seminary Ridge area already has 585 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,920 multiple layers of protection, as 586 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 Miranda referenced. Not only are we the 587 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Seminary Ridge Historic Preservation 588 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,560 Foundation, but our Civil War era 589 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,240 buildings are part of the Harb 590 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,520 Ordinance. So, Schmucker Hall, Schmucker 591 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,840 House, and Crap House are already 592 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,720 protected by Harb. Um 593 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,840 we have National Park Service view shed 594 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,080 uh 595 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,080 requirements. We have an American 596 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,680 Battlefield Trust easement on our 597 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,960 property. And of course, the 598 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,960 constrictions of any zoning within the 599 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,200 Borough of Gettysburg. And so, that 600 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,360 property is already well protected. I 601 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,280 believe that if the expansion of the 602 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,640 historic district goes through, that it 603 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,960 will tip the balance from a healthy 604 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240 balance between preservation and 605 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,560 community development to one that is 606 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,160 overly bureaucratically weighted toward 607 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,520 preservation when not really necessary. 608 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,480 So, I too urge that the borough council 609 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,760 do not uh consider the expansion of the 610 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,720 historic district into Seminary Ridge. 611 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,160 Thank you. 612 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:30,876 >> Thank you. Public comment. 613 00:23:30,886 --> 00:23:31,520 » [clears throat] 614 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,520 >> My name is Janelle Woodsberger. 615 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Um my home address is 3359 East Lincoln 616 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Avenue in Gettysburg. My work address is 617 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,440 300 North Washington Street. 618 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,760 I'm speaking this evening against HARB's 619 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,920 recommendation to create a new Seminary 620 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Ridge Historic District. Imposing new uh 621 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,800 {quote} guiding principles, as HARB 622 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,240 claims, is just not necessary at this 623 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,040 gateway. More importantly, new 624 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,760 restrictions are likely to negatively 625 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,400 impact the construction of the new 626 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,640 Gettysburg Public Library in that area 627 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,080 of town. The benefits of having a 628 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,320 purpose-built modern library available 629 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,440 to our citizens far outweigh the 630 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,720 architectural value of dormitories built 631 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,800 in the mid-20th century, which are 632 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,480 riddled with environmental problems that 633 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,600 will be very expensive to remediate. 634 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Furthermore, the Seminary has expressed 635 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,320 no interest in remediating them as their 636 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,040 institution undergoes changes in student 637 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200 population after the merger. HARB's 638 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,120 recommendation is simply unnecessary at 639 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,120 the structure. Thank you. 640 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:30,560 >> Thank you. 641 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:41,910 Public comment. 642 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,680 When we have these pauses, don't be shy. 643 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:49,030 We can line folks up. That's not a problem. So. 644 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040 » Uh good evening. Um my name is Todd 645 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,040 Maritz. I live on 61 East Broadway in 646 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Gettysburg. 647 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Um I've lived in the borough for more 648 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,000 than 30 years and then the county for 649 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 more than 50 years. 650 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,160 I'm a library member. 651 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,760 Uh I've been a library member for most 652 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,800 of that time and a board member for more 653 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,080 than 10 years. 654 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,680 All the other branches of the library 655 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,360 system have dedicated buildings that I 656 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,800 believe except for New Oxford, but that 657 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,200 includes Biglerville and East Berlin. 658 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280 Gettysburg does not. When I first came 659 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,960 here, the library was in this building, 660 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,120 the old prison. Um 661 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,280 it's been beautifully repurposed, 662 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,960 but um 663 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,840 and then the library moved to the post 664 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,280 office, which is also not a library 665 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,600 building. 666 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,960 So, um 667 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,640 after many years of thought and 668 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,640 discussion about what the library should do, whether it 669 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,960 should stay where it is or move, um it's 670 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,040 the the decision has been to 671 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,200 uh to move to the area by the seminary, 672 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,760 uh which though I believe the library 673 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,920 has purchased. I don't know the 674 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,280 financial 675 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,080 uh 676 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,880 what the uh 677 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,360 how what the outcome would be if if this 678 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,080 were prevented, because I think 679 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080 if the historic district were expanded 680 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,520 as proposed, it would prevent the 681 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,950 construction of the new library. 682 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960 I strongly oppose that and uh it makes 683 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,040 no sense. It would result in a 684 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,840 tremendous financial and social cost to 685 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,520 the community. 686 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,040 The library is one of the most important 687 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,920 institutions in this in this community. 688 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Um it serves the central library in 689 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,080 Gettysburg serves not only the borough, 690 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,200 but I believe Straban and Cumberland 691 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Townships, which do not have their own 692 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,840 library. 693 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,080 So, more than 75,000 people walk into 694 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,320 the library every year. 695 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,440 Um 696 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,680 and as you know uh uh 697 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,120 parking is a a huge problem. The new 698 00:26:58,120 --> 00:26:59,600 library would 699 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,400 um 700 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320 alleviate that problem. 701 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,680 Um please don't prevent um the the move 702 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,400 of the library to 703 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,040 the proposed location. Thanks very much. 704 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,400 >> Thank you, Don. 705 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:20,870 Public comment. 706 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:28,070 Please don't be shy. 707 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,560 » Good evening, members of council. My 708 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,880 name is Brandon Stone. I live at 358 709 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,520 Park Street and I'm the chairman of 710 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,120 HARB. 711 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,240 Thank you. 712 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,360 I just wanted to briefly note that at 713 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,440 our December meeting, the Historic 714 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,080 Architectural Review Board voted 715 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,480 unanimously to recommend the creation of 716 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,120 the Seminary Ridge Historic District. 717 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,000 This proposal includes the Lutheran 718 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,160 Seminary and the surrounding properties 719 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,400 along 116 in West Confederate Avenue, 720 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,400 which together form one of the borough's 721 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,920 primary historic entry corridors. 722 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,640 This recommendation follows the same 723 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,640 rationale used by this council in 1999 724 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,000 when the historic district was extended 725 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,040 to protect the key with gateways into 726 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,280 the borough. 727 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,680 The Seminary Ridge represents the last 728 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480 remaining unprotected entry of that 729 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,080 kind. 730 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,040 Tonight, no action is required. 731 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,600 The intent was simply to make the 732 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,680 council and the public aware that the 733 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,840 recommendation is complete 734 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,040 and available should we wish to continue 735 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,400 it as this year's priorities for 736 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,880 council, 737 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,520 including the upcoming chapter 11 738 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760 ordinance updates and recommendations to 739 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,360 update the design guides. Together, 740 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,600 working with the public, we can identify 741 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,400 this as It's priority. 742 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Thank you. 743 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880 >> Thank you, sir. 744 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,724 Public comment. 745 00:28:57,734 --> 00:28:59,790 » [clears throat] 746 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,840 » Good evening. My name is Angela Soma. I 747 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840 live at 44 Winding Drive in Gettysburg. 748 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,480 And I am speaking in opposition to the 749 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,360 expansion of the historic district. As 750 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,560 has been mentioned, the important 751 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,760 historic buildings in that area are 752 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,960 already preserved. And as also has been 753 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,560 mentioned, the library is a critical 754 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,000 institution to this area and to this 755 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,680 town. But it is in woeful need of 756 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,000 modernization. And they do need a new 757 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,520 building. As was mentioned, parking is a really is really terrible at the 758 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,800 library. And I think it's important that 759 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,560 there not be more impediments put into 760 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,200 place to creating a a more modern, 761 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,920 bigger library that can serve the 762 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680 community better. Thank you. 763 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,000 >> Thank you. 764 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:58,870 Public comment. 765 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,040 » Good evening to you all. 766 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,040 My name is Teresa Smallwood. I am the 767 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,320 Dean and Vice President for Academic 768 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Affairs at United Lutheran Seminary. 769 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,120 I had absolutely no intention of 770 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,800 speaking tonight, but once I heard the 771 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520 gentleman say there was no need to take 772 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,480 action, it just warmed my heart. 773 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,080 I live in Craft House. I've been there 774 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240 for almost 5 years. 775 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,960 There is no more preserved institution 776 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,400 than what lies on Seminary Ridge. 777 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,160 And my concern is as a resident and 778 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520 someone who lives there, 779 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,560 I want to see this library come about. 780 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,360 Because it is the young people. It 781 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,440 is the folk who come to our institution 782 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,760 who will benefit the most. 783 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,760 More particularly, we need to be 784 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,400 concerned about the intergenerational 785 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,160 interest we have in developing our young 786 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,240 people to grow up and appreciate reading 787 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120 again. Thank you. 788 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:06,670 >> Thank you, ma'am. 789 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,840 » Good evening. My name is Rob Williams. 790 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Um I'm an employee of Seminary Ridge 791 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,760 Museum and Education Center um located 792 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,560 at 61 Seminary Ridge, Gettysburg. I'm 793 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,160 also a member of the Board of Trustees 794 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,280 of the Adams County Library System. Um I 795 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,320 would like just like to mention um and 796 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,240 um remind that after a survey from the 797 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,560 Adams County Historical Society, um they 798 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,520 did note that the location of the 799 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,120 proposed location of the new library 800 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,760 is of no historical significance. Uh so, 801 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,120 there is no um reason for the Historical 802 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,680 Society to believe that that library 803 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,920 should not be built there. And uh to my 804 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,200 knowledge, the the um library project 805 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,320 does currently enjoy the full support of 806 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,160 the Historical Society. I would also 807 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440 like to note, to my knowledge, um none 808 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,840 of the organizations in question, 809 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000 whether it's the seminary, the library, 810 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,960 or our museum, were approached by any 811 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,080 members of HARB for our consideration on 812 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,040 this on this proposal. 813 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,040 Thank you. 814 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,880 >> Thank you, sir. 815 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,470 Any more public comment? 816 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,680 Last chance? 817 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,430 All right, we'll move on. Thank you. 818 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,990 Um 819 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,560 It is correct, we will not be taking any 820 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,560 action tonight. Um 821 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,800 one of the legislative priorities that 822 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,640 the council has set for this year is to 823 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080 uh take a deep dive on potentially 824 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,520 repealing and replacing the HARB 825 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000 ordinance with something a little bit uh 826 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,280 more contemporary and um easy to 827 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,030 navigate. Um 828 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,320 Every time we change an ordinance, there 829 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640 is a significant cost to the borough. 830 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240 So, it is unlikely that we would 831 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,320 consider making a change to an ordinance 832 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,480 that we are about to scrap. So, if 833 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,160 that's the way council decides to go 834 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360 with it. So, while the um 835 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,720 discussion will be had by council at 836 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,120 some point this year, we're not going to 837 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120 be acting on this anytime soon. In fact, 838 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,000 tonight's meeting is a workshop where we 839 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,400 simply discuss ideas. Um we will not be 840 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,000 taking any votes this evening. 841 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,640 Uh I'd like to hand this over now to Mr. 842 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,240 Whitmore, who will make his presentation 843 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,280 on uh the harb issues before us. 844 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,000 >> So, good evening. Um 845 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 we do have materials that were provided 846 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,480 electronically. 847 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,720 Overall, the uh policy briefing summary 848 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840 provides the gist. There's two separate 849 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,440 themes that have been, I guess, running 850 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,160 with this that aren't necessarily 851 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,040 related. A, the need to update chapter 852 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,200 11 historic districts, the actual 853 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,680 ordinance text, and the associated 854 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,080 Gettysburg design guide, which was last 855 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560 published in 1997. 856 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,120 Um we've reached a point where these 857 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000 documents are becoming obsolete. In 858 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,840 particular, as the solicitor, Mr. 859 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,720 Eastman, has indicated, there are some 860 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,000 were issues with the um previous draft 861 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,400 of the ordinance. There have been 862 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,960 modifications made by council to that 863 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480 document. But, there are still some 864 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,159 issues associated with the design guide. 865 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,840 Um generally, an update of this 866 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,080 magnitude would involve services of um 867 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,320 a, I guess, a professional associated 868 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,040 with an architectural firm that has 869 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,679 experience in documenting in historic 870 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,919 properties. In particular, um 871 00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:28,600 we want to make sure that the design 872 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,760 guide that we're establishing for the 873 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,399 borough is something that's not only 874 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,159 defensible for the bureau, but is also 875 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,520 in keeping with Pennsylvania State 876 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040 Historic Preservation Office guidelines 877 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040 and the Department of Interior 878 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,960 guidelines as they relate to historic 879 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,600 properties. 880 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,159 Overall, 881 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,399 the 882 00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:49,200 there's that aspect and then the second 883 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,480 aspect being the expansion of the 884 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,360 district. At this time, that's not 885 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600 something that staff is encouraging. The 886 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,360 district itself is used as a kind of 887 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,320 form-based code to a certain extent, 888 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,320 which were from a I guess the zoning 889 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440 perspective of it, that may be better 890 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,760 handled 891 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,400 with the subdivision land development 892 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,480 ordinance for some aspects as it relates 893 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,680 to physical block development, the 894 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,760 rhythm and scale of how buildings are 895 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,680 arranged, not necessarily for the 896 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,560 historic district, but it could be 897 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,520 something identified and reviewed. 898 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,800 Overall, though, what we're what staff 899 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,480 is really concerned with is more about 900 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,880 the design guide ordinance itself. Um 901 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,240 Yes, at this time, we've presented we 902 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,120 provide you all with the information 903 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,360 provided by HARB at their December 904 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,040 meeting recommending study be produced 905 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,000 for the expansion or creation of a new 906 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,720 district. Um overall, when we're talking 907 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,320 about districts, it's also important to 908 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,520 remember the entirety of the bureau is 909 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,280 in a federal historic district as it 910 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280 this is that relates to the 911 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,680 military park. Um 912 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,000 being able to 913 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,720 um 914 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,600 facilitate the development of buildings 915 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,120 within the bureau is something that the 916 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,600 comp plan encourages. It's something 917 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,800 that the 918 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,560 I guess there's there's a want to be 919 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,800 able to establish affordable housing in 920 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,560 the bureau that's also 921 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,400 potentially constrained with expansion. 922 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,320 So, there's a lot of things to consider 923 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,840 on that aspect. It would be something I 924 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,800 don't think um 925 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,560 staff it prepared to do for at this 926 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,560 time, but it is something we can do but 927 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,640 we're not recommending. 928 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,280 A lot a lot of words just came out of 929 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200 myself, a lot of rambling to a certain 930 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,960 extent, but overall 931 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,400 the 932 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,520 what we were proposing is a process 933 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,480 whereby over a period of about the end 934 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,760 of this year, we'd probably be able to 935 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,480 have 936 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,760 the ordinance updated relatively quickly 937 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,840 and on a pathway for the design guide, 938 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,680 engaging with HARB in this process, and 939 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,480 then be allowing for public comment 940 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,560 during those meetings. 941 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520 Overall, this shouldn't be a very taxing 942 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,200 process, but like I said, once if it 943 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,400 becomes necessary to engage the 944 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,600 a professional architect in these their 945 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,360 services, then we'll be able to evaluate 946 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,920 any potential grant funding through uh 947 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,200 SHPO. 948 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,080 So. 949 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:22,790 >> All right. Questions for Mr. Wilmer. 950 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,960 All right. 951 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,120 Uh so, we had previously been counseled 952 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,320 by our solicitor that um perhaps we can 953 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,200 look to some sort of uh model ordinance, 954 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,440 uh something that is derived directly 955 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160 from the empowering state legislation. 956 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,040 Um we 957 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,200 our uh ordinance goes back about 958 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,520 60 years-ish 959 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,160 and has had 960 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,360 um 961 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,040 multiple revisions and iterations that 962 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120 sometimes conflict, which is is causing 963 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,760 issues. So, uh we think there's probably 964 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,880 a path for a much um 965 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,960 simpler approach to this, so that is 966 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,440 something uh Mr. Whitmore, I believe, 967 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,040 will be digging into with the solicitor 968 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,520 in the coming months. 969 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,680 Um 970 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,560 in the uh interim, I would ask that 971 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,880 members continue to identif- um 972 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,680 familiarize yourselves with um 973 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,840 documentation as it's provided to you. 974 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,400 Um 975 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,840 it would be beneficial that we all 976 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,400 understand the full 977 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,160 uh history of HARB within the borough. 978 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,030 Um any questions for Mr. Whitmore? 979 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,360 Anything else from you? 980 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,920 >> Uh, that's all on this topic. Thank you. 981 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:36,470 >> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Claybaugh. 982 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:46,830 » Oh, man, he's going to the podium. 983 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,320 So, I'm going to talk to you about 984 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,360 street work. And before I get started, 985 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,040 I'm guessing that majority of the people 986 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,320 in this room are not here to listen to 987 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,640 me talk about street work. So, I won't 988 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,480 be offended at all if you get up in the 989 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,880 middle of my presentation. 990 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,800 No, I I love street work, and I hope you 991 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,040 do, too, but I won't be upset. 992 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,581 >> Okay, stand up. 993 00:39:05,581 --> 00:39:08,830 >> [laughter] 994 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,440 » I didn't want this to be this awkward 995 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,132 where somebody gets upset. 996 00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:17,430 >> [laughter] 997 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,840 » But, you need streets to get to the 998 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,600 library. 999 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,680 >> Yeah, you do need streets to get to the 1000 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,840 library, 1001 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,670 and to all of our historic districts. 1002 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,640 So, so, um, 1003 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,960 the the main reason for my presentation 1004 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160 today is because on your agenda next 1005 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,600 week, I'm going to be asking for an 1006 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560 authorization to advertise the 2026 1007 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920 street work. So, I wanted to go over a 1008 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,960 little bit what uh the scope of that 1009 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,360 project, talk to you about a few changes 1010 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,600 I'd like to make to the scope um from 1011 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,720 what was in your 2026 budget, and um 1012 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,920 kind of go over the schedule of the 1013 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,520 project for you. So, just kind of tee 1014 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,040 you up for the decision that you need to 1015 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,630 make next week. 1016 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080 So, first we'll talk about the budget. 1017 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,200 Um, 1018 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,240 what you had in your budget is this 1019 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,800 number right here, the 363,000. 1020 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,400 And that incorporated two different 1021 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,680 things. It was It was $284,000 1022 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,520 worth of street preservation, base 1023 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,520 repair, that those kind of things, and 1024 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,000 also the $79,000 1025 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,800 um for the Steinwehr crosswalks. Uh two 1026 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,600 different 1027 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,920 budget items in your budget, but we put 1028 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,080 them all together and we bid them all 1029 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,560 together. Now, here's the complicated 1030 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,680 part is that we actually bid the 1031 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,040 crosswalks with the base repairs that go 1032 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,080 with the street because it's like type 1033 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,680 of work for contractors separate from 1034 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,320 the preservation. The preservation that 1035 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,840 we propose is this is there's there's 1036 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,240 crack sealing and then we put down a 1037 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,040 high-performance chip seal, which is 1038 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,760 a glorified chip seal with with 1039 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,160 high-performance chips that lock 1040 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,440 together a little bit better. They don't 1041 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,280 whip off so much. They're used in 1042 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,040 downtown settings and not like state 1043 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,840 roads out in farmland. Um and then we 1044 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,200 cover those high high-performance chips 1045 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,400 with this fog seal. And that's really 1046 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,520 the secret behind this this preservation 1047 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,560 treatment is this uh we call it a a 1048 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,960 griptight is is the 1049 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,160 formal name. Generic name is fog seal. 1050 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,560 Um but we cover that with this 1051 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,920 griptight. We've done this in a lot of 1052 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,560 streets in the past. 1053 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,480 Um Ridge, Howard, Washington High. Those 1054 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,440 are a few streets that we've done. And this is kind of a tried-and-true 1055 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440 practice and we're we're really happy 1056 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,160 with it. Um so that's what we'd like to 1057 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,120 do again. There's only a certain amount 1058 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,840 of contractors that do this. There's 1059 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,400 only three that I know of. We had Martin 1060 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,160 that did it 5 years ago. AMS does it. 1061 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,680 Russell Standard. Um so we kind of bid 1062 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,680 that separately because we know what 1063 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,320 kind of contractors that come in and do 1064 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,800 the preservation. We bid that separate 1065 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,720 from all the rest of the street work. Um 1066 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,160 so that's kind of how this presentation 1067 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,160 is going to go. I'm going to talk to you 1068 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,240 a little bit about this $120,000 another 1069 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,240 line item and then I'll talk to you 1070 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,040 about the the Steinwehr crosswalks and 1071 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,600 then I'll go back to the preservation. 1072 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,840 Now, the streets that are in this 1073 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,240 $120,000 line item and the streets that 1074 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,640 are in the preservation are the exact 1075 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,920 same streets. 1076 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040 So before we put the preservation down, 1077 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,000 we first fix all the potholes, all of 1078 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,640 the base repairs, and then we come 1079 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,840 through and make the whole thing black. 1080 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,840 So again, you what what you have 1081 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,680 budgeted is 600 or or 363,000. 1082 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,400 If you add up all of these numbers, you 1083 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,569 get to 348,000. 1084 00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:13,840 >> [clears throat] 1085 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,040 >> So, we're a little bit under the budget, 1086 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,880 and one of the questions I'm going to 1087 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,440 have for you at the end of this is 1088 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,080 whether you want me to bid it this way, 1089 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,200 or do you want me to add one of the 1090 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,640 streets that I cut from this to be able 1091 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,720 to get below the budget, and that's 1092 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,640 Constitution. I'll get to that later in 1093 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,324 the conversation. 1094 00:42:27,324 --> 00:42:27,800 >> [clears throat] 1095 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,240 >> Okay, so here's the streets. Um this top 1096 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,680 list of streets here is in your 2026 1097 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,840 budget. 1098 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,280 The bottom list of streets is what I'd 1099 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,190 like to change it to. 1100 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,160 This top list First, let me go back and 1101 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,080 say that this list of streets is 1102 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,080 something that Robbie and I developed 1103 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,040 over 5 years ago. When we developed the capital improvement plan, our CIP, 5 1104 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040 years ago, that's where a large amount 1105 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,400 of these streets came from, and we just 1106 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,880 basically cut and pasted that into your 1107 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,440 2026 budget. Um 1108 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,960 A lot of things have changed since 5 1109 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640 years ago. There's utility work, you 1110 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,000 know, Columbia Gas does some stuff, we 1111 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,880 do some curb ramps, so there's some 1112 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,800 reasons why we wanted to change a couple 1113 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,240 of things. Plus, some of those streets 1114 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,960 have degraded to a point where it just 1115 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,360 doesn't make sense to do them with a 1116 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,040 preservation anymore. 1117 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,360 Um and then there was one Locust here 1118 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,760 that were that we're adding. So, the the 1119 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,160 things that are in red are the streets 1120 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,400 I'd like to cut from the list. The 1121 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,680 things that are in green are the the 1122 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,040 street that I would like to add to the 1123 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,400 list. So, Fourth Street, the reason I 1124 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,680 want to cut that from the list is 1125 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920 because it's an $83,000 1126 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,160 line item just for the base repair, and 1127 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,720 then the preser- preservation is another 1128 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,280 17,000. It's close to $100,000 1129 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,320 to preserve that street. For $100,000, 1130 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,040 you could basically mill and overlay 1131 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,160 that street. Brand new hot mix asphalt, 1132 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,880 not a preservation treatment. Um 1133 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,560 and the reason why it's so expensive is 1134 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,920 because the base has in the past 5 years 1135 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,800 failed to a point where it's about 50% 1136 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,600 of it that needs to be replaced. There's 1137 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,960 some details over here that just show 1138 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,920 you the different methods of base repair 1139 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,520 that we do. We basically mill out that 1140 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,680 the bad areas, there's potholes, and 1141 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,200 replace them with hot mix asphalt before 1142 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,360 we make the whole thing black. 1143 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,960 Whenever you get to close to 50% of the 1144 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,680 street, it doesn't make sense 1145 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,080 financially 1146 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,720 to do that anymore. Then it's better 1147 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,240 just to bring in a big milling machine 1148 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,840 and just do the entire street. So, I 1149 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,240 like to cut that one for that reason. 1150 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:16,960 And the And by the way, the the cost 1151 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,560 estimate that I gave you on the previous 1152 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,800 slide already excluded these these red 1153 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000 line items. 1154 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,400 Constitution, I would I'm going to come 1155 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,200 back to that one. We We cut that one out 1156 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,360 of there to get below the budget, but 1157 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,040 I'm not so sure that I want to remove 1158 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,080 that one. That might one I might be 1159 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,720 want to stick back in, but I I'll talk 1160 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:35,760 to you about the budget for that one 1161 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,680 later. And then the last one is Queen 1162 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,880 Street. The reason why we want to cut 1163 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,840 that one is because Columbia Gas has 1164 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,880 come to us and they want to do a 1165 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880 significant significant amount of work 1166 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,400 in Cool Park. Um and they're going to be 1167 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,600 chopping up that street. So, it doesn't 1168 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,800 make sense for us to put any money into 1169 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,120 it now. 1170 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,040 And then lastly, um down here is Locust 1171 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,720 Avenue. So, this is the the street that 1172 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,240 right at the bottom of Hillcrest. 1173 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,520 Everybody knows where Hillcrest is and 1174 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,040 Locust. Locust comes right off of of uh 1175 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,720 Baltimore Street and intersects at the 1176 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,640 bottom of the hill at Hillcrest. 1177 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,120 Whenever we did the preservation on 1178 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,600 Hill- Hillcrest 5 years ago, um we 1179 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,200 included Locust. I'm not sure why that 1180 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,560 wasn't included in the list this time, 1181 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,920 but it makes sense for those two to stay 1182 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,600 together. And it's not extreme uh uh 1183 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:16,920 a lot a lot of money to do that one. 1184 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,560 $85,000 to add that one. 1185 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,800 So, those are the change- changes I 1186 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,600 would like to make in the scope. 1187 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,230 Um 1188 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,120 Whenever we do preservation, there is a 1189 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,800 couple of things that we keep in mind, 1190 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,120 too. We don't necessarily have to do 1191 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,640 curb ramps with preservations. Um that 1192 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,600 is not a a a federal requirement, but 1193 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,520 there are some places where it makes 1194 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,920 sense. Um 1195 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,560 In that list was Washington Street and 1196 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,520 Stratton Street. So, this is the 1197 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,520 intersection. This is Stratton here, and 1198 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,680 this is Washington Street here. And if 1199 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,880 you ever come to this intersection, this 1200 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,480 inlet right here is real low. This 1201 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,120 curb ramp sits um 1202 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,360 sits full of water. There's a puddle of 1203 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,360 water right here at this intersection. 1204 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,080 And then And then just down from this 1205 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,400 intersection is this curb ramp and this 1206 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,680 one sits full of water. Uh 1207 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,280 we didn't have a whole lot of control 1208 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,320 whenever this project when it came in, 1209 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,440 this is a Columbia Gas related project. 1210 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,520 If you ever go down West 1211 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,920 Middle Street, the south side of the 1212 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,800 sidewalks are brand new. 1213 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,080 The north side aren't. And that's 1214 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,400 because Columbia Gas came in and put a 1215 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,920 brand new gas line down the south side. 1216 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,200 So we got a free gift. We got a brand 1217 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,120 new sidewalks from Columbia Gas down 1218 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,440 that side, but we didn't have a whole 1219 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,760 lot of control over these. And this is a 1220 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,520 typical thing whenever the curb ramps, 1221 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,200 they have to come in flush. The new law 1222 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,600 says that they have to be flush. You 1223 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,720 know, they don't have them raised at 1224 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,960 all. So it's a common thing where they 1225 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,360 get them in too low and then they sit 1226 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,560 full of water. We would like to make 1227 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,360 those adjustments. Anytime you do a 1228 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,720 preservation, you're making a street 1229 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,160 good again, 1230 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,480 drainage is a very important thing. In my paving courses in college 1231 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,600 actually, 1232 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,440 um the first three three lessons that my 1233 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,080 professor gave us was drainage, drainage. It's always fix the 1234 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,720 drainage first and then you fix the rest 1235 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,160 of the street. So these things are 1236 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,520 related to drainage. So we would like to do those couple of things. Get this 1237 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,640 just the just the dome area of those 1238 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,480 curb ramps, just the dome area of this, 1239 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,760 and this inlet changed a little bit. And 1240 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,880 I think there's a couple more. So this 1241 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,080 is Stratton Street here as well. The 1242 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,600 water comes down the street here and it 1243 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,400 misses it. There's a it's like raised up 1244 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,920 right here a little bit too high. And 1245 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,160 then that's one of my pet peeves is 1246 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,360 whenever we spend all this money to put 1247 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,520 these inlets in and the water doesn't 1248 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,080 even get in the inlets, just goes right 1249 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,960 around. And then that intersection sits 1250 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000 full of water and it gets icy. Um it's 1251 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,600 not a major issue, but while we're doing 1252 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,080 this, now's the time to fix it. 1253 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,840 The the solution to this is really easy. 1254 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,280 Just mill the pavement down a little bit 1255 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,160 on the side before we put the 1256 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,960 preservation down. 1257 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,800 Um and this is also a Middle Street. If 1258 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,200 you go down West Middle Street, you 1259 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,000 might have hit this with your tires. Um 1260 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,800 I know Robbie hits it often with his 1261 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,840 snow plows. It's only 5 years old and 1262 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,520 it's already showing signs of distress 1263 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,240 from the snow plow hit get hitting it. 1264 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,000 So before we again before we do Middle 1265 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,480 Street, we'd like to just lower that 1266 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,208 inlet a couple of inches. 1267 00:47:52,208 --> 00:47:53,680 >> [clears throat] 1268 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,520 >> Um now as like I said, it goes with all 1269 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,600 of those the street work that's the uh 1270 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,160 the Mill and Fill areas is these 1271 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,080 crosswalks. And just a council just as a 1272 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,480 refresher to the council that was here 1273 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,240 last year and 1274 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,200 an update to the new council members, we 1275 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,480 did bid this project last year. 1276 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,400 We bid the replacement of the two 1277 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,880 crosswalks. It's It's this one here in 1278 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,040 front of This is the Dobbin House. 1279 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,200 is sitting on this side. 1280 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,480 So, this is the crosswalk in the Dobbin 1281 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,080 House and this is the one right in front 1282 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,320 of Tommy's Pizza. So, that's the two 1283 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,080 crosswalks I'm going to talk about. We 1284 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,280 bid them last year. We only got one 1285 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,280 bidder and our bids were really high. We 1286 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,840 kind of bid it late in the season. I'm 1287 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,280 thinking that's why we 1288 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,360 our 1289 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,440 We got high prices, but for whatever 1290 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,800 reason it didn't fit our budget. So, we 1291 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,400 excluded that from the work we did. It 1292 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,600 was actually 2 years It wasn't last 1293 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,560 year. It was 2 years ago. We excluded 1294 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,040 that from the work and now we're back to 1295 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,280 back around a new cycle street work and 1296 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,040 we'd like to add it back in. We still 1297 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,800 have a highway occupancy permit from the 1298 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,200 state. We've been extending our permit. 1299 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,000 We are extended through this year. So, 1300 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,080 as long as we do the work this year, 1301 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,480 we're still within that same permit. Um 1302 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,720 but we would like to go ahead and try to 1303 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,920 replace place these two. Um One of the 1304 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,680 issues with this crosswalk is there used 1305 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,280 to be these in-road lights that flashed 1306 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,360 whenever you pushed a button there was 1307 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,120 in-road lights that flashed, but they 1308 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,720 were problematic. Um every time a 1309 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,320 snowplow hit them, they would knock the 1310 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,760 lights out and they were very expensive 1311 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,520 to replace. Um so, those have been 1312 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,040 removed and whenever they got removed, 1313 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,360 they weren't done great and now the 1314 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,000 whole thing's starting to fail. 1315 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,320 So, we would like to replace that 1316 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,800 crosswalk and then the other one is this 1317 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,440 one and pretty obvious um 1318 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,000 distress here in the street um on that 1319 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000 western lane mostly 1320 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,960 um that needs to be cut out. So, the 1321 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,640 base the base repair is this line right 1322 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,200 here. So, you'd cut out all that base 1323 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,880 the bed area before we do the crosswalk. 1324 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,000 Uh whenever we did those crosswalks, 1325 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,560 they were done with an imprint material. 1326 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,360 Now, we would like to use an a material 1327 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,360 that's called um StreetPrint XD. The 1328 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,520 Tawney Town Road, which is this 1329 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,760 intersection way up here, and then also 1330 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,520 this other Steinwehr leg has a 1331 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,960 StreetPrint XD. It looks very similar to 1332 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,240 this one, but they're holding up way 1333 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:55,720 better. It's just a better procedure in 1334 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,520 my in my opinion. So, that's how we 1335 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,560 intend to do these. So, that's the same 1336 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,760 thing that we bid 2 years ago. It's 1337 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,880 exactly the same thing now, exact same 1338 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,400 price. That's That's not changing in 1339 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,880 your budget at all. I'm just letting you 1340 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,640 know that that's included in here. The 1341 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,680 only other thing I wanted to say about 1342 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,080 that is that's what's driving the 1343 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,720 schedule here. We would like to and the 1344 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,520 reason I'm coming to so so soon in the 1345 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,720 season to get this out in the street is 1346 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:17,600 because we hoping to get this thing bid 1347 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,960 sooner to get better bid results and to 1348 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,200 beat a lot of the 250th anniversary 1349 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,200 events that are happening this summer. 1350 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,240 So, we're hoping if we 1351 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,360 if if you authorize me to advertise this 1352 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,800 next week, I'll have bids ready for you 1353 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,880 to consider at your March meeting and 1354 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,560 then hopefully go to construction as 1355 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,760 soon as April, maybe May at the latest 1356 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,880 and beat a lot of the 250th anniversary 1357 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,030 things. 1358 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,360 So, we're back to the list of streets. 1359 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,120 This is exactly the same street list 1360 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,560 that I showed you earlier. Now, we're 1361 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,480 just talking about the preservation. 1362 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,720 That's the crack sealing, this chip 1363 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,240 seal, this high performance chip seal, 1364 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:54,960 and the and the grip tight salt fog 1365 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,360 seal. Um this is a a map just showing 1366 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,760 you the streets that we were talking 1367 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,080 about before. Um 1368 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,560 I was showing you that we wanted to 1369 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,600 eliminate This is Queen Street that we 1370 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,000 wanted to eliminate. I want to talk to 1371 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,000 you a little bit more about 1372 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,160 Constitution. As you can see, 1373 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600 Constitution is a pretty long street. Um 1374 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,480 so, keep that in mind as we get to the 1375 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,320 next slide. And then, 1376 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,560 uh 4th Street right here, I'd like to 1377 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880 eliminate that one. And then, 1378 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520 like I said earlier, Locust. This is 1379 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,160 next to Hillcrest. 1380 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,760 But, that's just to show you on a map of 1381 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:27,560 all the streets that we're coming 1382 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,630 working on. 1383 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,480 Okay, so this is a very similar slide to 1384 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,160 the first slide. It's exactly that what 1385 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,760 you have in your budget, $263,000. 1386 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,440 I showed you all of the streets that I'd 1387 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,040 like to do is $348,000. 1388 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,400 Um so, we got a little bit of a balance, 1389 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,240 uh $14,000. So, you kind of have three 1390 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,680 options here. It's either say yes Chad, 1391 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,040 I'd like you to go ahead and 1392 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,000 advertise it excluding Constitution. 1393 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,320 We'll keep the $14,000 in our budget for 1394 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,840 something else. If you have a lot of 1395 00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,960 other expenses that you're you're 1396 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,560 getting hit with, maybe you tell me that 1397 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,240 that's what you wanted me to do. 1398 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:04,840 You might tell me, "No Chad, I want you 1399 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,720 to add Constitution 1400 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,280 um and we're we're going to bite the 1401 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,360 bullet and we're going to increase the 1402 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,520 budget to to to pay for that as well." 1403 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,960 Or you might say, "Well, we're not sure 1404 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960 yet. Can we bid it as an alternate?" 1405 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,680 That's also an option. We can bid 1406 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,960 Constitution as an alternate. I would 1407 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,520 say only 1408 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,800 that 1409 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,320 it'll add a little bit of effort from my 1410 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,320 end to bid it as an alternate, but not a 1411 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,600 lot of money. We're talking about maybe 1412 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,640 500 to 1,000 dollars. If you absolutely 1413 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,600 are sure that you're not going to want 1414 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,600 to do it, just tell me don't do that. 1415 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,560 We'll save the 500 bucks. If you want me 1416 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,880 to bid it as an alternate, takes a 1417 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,040 little bit of time to bid it as an 1418 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,040 alternate, but it's not a huge lift. Um 1419 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,160 so, you might tell me that, "Just just 1420 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,440 go ahead and bid it as an alternate for 1421 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,080 now and then we'll decide if we want to 1422 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,440 do that once we get bid results." Again, 1423 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,920 all of these estimates I'm providing you 1424 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,920 are engineers' best guess, right? 1425 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,720 They're Once we get the bids in from the 1426 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:50,840 contractor, you'll have another 1427 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,920 opportunity to decide on exactly what 1428 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,760 streets you want to do. 1429 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,720 So, 1430 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:56,360 um 1431 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,560 Constitution again is is a it's a pretty 1432 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,160 expensive street, right? So, it's a long 1433 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,560 street. There's $9,000 worth of base 1434 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,960 repairs. Preservation's 38,000 for a 1435 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,480 total of 47,000. So, if you wanted to 1436 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,200 add the $47,000 1437 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,120 to the project, obviously the $14,000 um 1438 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,040 but balance isn't going to cover the 1439 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,430 full 47,000. 1440 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,720 So, that is 1441 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,560 it for the street preservation work 1442 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,000 unless you guys have any questions for 1443 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,550 me. 1444 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,840 » Any questions? 1445 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,240 Um 1446 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,280 Was this Was this under um 1447 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,440 what, liquid fuels that we budgeted 1448 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,710 this? 1449 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:45,000 » No. 1450 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,640 >> I I think the the street preservation 1451 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,280 work was liquid fuels, but not the 1452 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,760 Steinwehr crosswalks. 1453 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,720 >> Okay. 1454 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,470 Um 1455 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,680 I guess just could you speak a little 1456 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,840 bit about like 1457 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,440 you know, your pick like why these 1458 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,040 streets or why like this one just gets 1459 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,960 improvement while this one gets repairs? 1460 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,720 Is it just because of the conditions or 1461 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,800 like do you have a criteria you go by 1462 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,560 for that? 1463 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,040 >> Yeah, yeah, certainly. Um so so one of 1464 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,440 the things whenever we do um street 1465 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,280 maintenance plans is we like to keep the 1466 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,440 good streets good. That's kind of the the slang for it. Um if there's a 1467 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,280 street that's within 1468 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,000 7 to 10 years old before it starts to 1469 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,480 degrade to a point where you need to do 1470 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,560 a full base repair, you try to do a pre- 1471 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,840 preservation treatment. These 1472 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,760 preservations only cost about $5 a 1473 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,560 square yard. If you have to do a full 1474 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,320 replacement, it's $50 a square yard. So 1475 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,520 it's 10 times more expensive to replace 1476 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520 a street than to preserve a street. And 1477 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,800 you can preserve a street over and over. Every 10 years you can 1478 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,560 preserve it again. And you could extend 1479 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,320 the life of a street by 100 years if you 1480 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,680 kept doing it every 10 years versus 1481 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,600 having to wait till it fails. Once it 1482 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,320 gets to a point where it's 1483 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,920 showing failure like I was talking about 1484 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,440 with Fourth Street. That one's to the 1485 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,080 point where a preservation isn't going 1486 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,040 to help it anymore. The preservation 1487 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,480 There's There's all kinds of things that 1488 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,040 degrade pavement and a preservation 1489 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,120 keeps the pavement from degrading, but 1490 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,480 it doesn't fix the base below it. It's 1491 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,480 just a It's just a band-aid on the top 1492 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,840 es- essentially. Um so everything that 1493 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,360 we're doing in this 1494 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,480 preservation plan is just that, a 1495 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,440 preservation. None of this work is full 1496 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,520 replacement. Any Any street that gets to 1497 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,480 the point where it's getting to be a 1498 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,280 full replacement, we remove those. So 1499 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,080 the base repair areas that I'm showing 1500 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,080 are small areas. They're just pothole 1501 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,280 areas, you know, 5 1502 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,000 10-x-20, you know, those kind of things. 1503 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,000 And maybe just a straight-line mill right down the 1504 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,080 middle if there was a crack down the 1505 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,000 middle or those kind of things. It's not 1506 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,720 full milling the street out and 1507 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,480 completely rebuilding it because again, 1508 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,720 that would be $50 a square yard. And if 1509 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,080 anybody any any municipality that's only 1510 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,880 re- doing the older streets 1511 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,640 and taking care and and putting all of 1512 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680 their money into the older streets is 1513 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,680 usually falling behind because it's just 1514 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,320 dumb and money into those older streets. 1515 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,680 It's always better to keep those good 1516 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,560 streets good while you can. Does it Does 1517 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,040 that answer your question? 1518 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,000 >> Yeah, I think so. 1519 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,240 Um 1520 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,520 for that 14 grand 1521 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,360 would you I mean 1522 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,320 is there already a contingency line item 1523 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,760 built into the initial budget for that? 1524 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,920 >> Yeah, yeah. So So like I said, there is 1525 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,880 some engineering These are engineers' 1526 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,600 estimates. And we do have a little bit 1527 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,080 of contingency. I'm going to say about 1528 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,400 5%. We don't really know until we get 1529 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,280 our bids back. Even once we get our bids 1530 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,760 back, I usually say that you should have 1531 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,920 a little bit of contingency in your 1532 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,320 budget because 1533 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,600 you know, as we're doing these base 1534 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,440 repairs, we try to estimate them as We 1535 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,800 had our inspectors go and look at all 1536 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,200 the streets 1537 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,880 and get an estimate of how like the 1538 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,200 percentage of base repairs that we'd 1539 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,440 have to do on the street before we do 1540 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,080 the preservation. 1541 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,240 Once again, once before we actually go 1542 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,720 to construction, we're going to go out 1543 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:56,840 there with our inspectors again. We'll 1544 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,440 actually paint out squares on the on the 1545 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,120 pavement on the areas that he has to 1546 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,120 actually replace. And then we'll pay him 1547 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,120 for exactly what he did. So, that whole 1548 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,880 process it ebbs and flows a little bit. 1549 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,960 So, there is a little bit There's 1550 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,960 probably about a 5% contingency I would 1551 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,600 have to say in some of the quantities 1552 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,640 that we gave you. But I I I hate to give that away too early in the 1553 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,360 process because if we get really bad bid 1554 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,440 results, 1555 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,080 >> Yeah. 1556 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,280 >> you know, it might it might be a year 1557 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,760 where all of these There's only three of 1558 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,440 these contractors that do this and they 1559 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,760 might all 1560 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,960 just happen to have filled their 1561 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,360 schedule and they don't really need any 1562 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,720 more work. And all of a sudden, we get 1563 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,000 really high bid results. Now, one thing 1564 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,200 that is good news so far is that fuel 1565 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,440 prices have been step pretty steady to 1566 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,440 low 1567 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,520 and pavement preservation is highly 1568 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,320 dependent on fuel prices or oil prices. 1569 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,800 >> Um and then I saw there's like that 1570 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,160 little line where it says like March 1571 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,120 30th, contract one through May 29th, and 1572 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,160 contract two April through May. 1573 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,280 Would you try to have like say for the 1574 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,600 Steinwehr project where it's high 1575 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,600 volume, would you try to have that in 1576 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,880 the earlier of that schedule? 1577 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,920 >> Yep. Exactly. 1578 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,360 >> Okay. 1579 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,680 >> Yep, which we would like to try to get 1580 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,880 to that one as soon as possible. Now, 1581 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,640 you can't start any work on state roads 1582 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,920 before April 1st. So, that's part of 1583 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,840 what drives that schedule, but as close 1584 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,280 to April 1st as possible, we would like 1585 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,680 to get Steinwehr done. The rest of the 1586 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,120 streets are not going to have as big of 1587 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,280 an impact on tourist traffic. 1588 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:20,880 >> Thank you. 1589 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,990 >> Sure. 1590 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000 » I just have a quick question. 1591 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,720 Um so, um it's sort of about the 1592 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,800 contingency um 1593 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,640 built in and that was already answered, 1594 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,640 but um 1595 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,840 suppose that there's close to $14,000 1596 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,480 left when you're getting sort of nearing 1597 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,480 the end of the project, would you be 1598 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,680 able to consider or reconsider some of 1599 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,400 the curb ramps that we sort of set 1600 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,600 aside? 1601 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,240 Um or could you not sort like mix 1602 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,040 apples and oranges and and use money 1603 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,440 from this budget to take care of some of 1604 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,040 the curbs that we 1605 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,240 aren't using the CBD? 1606 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,880 >> Yeah, I I understand the question. I 1607 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,000 think the answer is that it would be 1608 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,560 difficult. 1609 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,240 I don't think the answer's no. I think 1610 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,240 you could, but there are it's I think 1611 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,760 you like you said it's a bit apples and 1612 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,040 oranges 1613 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,350 or apples and 1614 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,800 vegetables. Yeah, so it would be it 1615 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,360 would be something it would be it would 1616 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,440 be a little bit difficult to add it. 1617 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:22,840 >> Yeah. 1618 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,910 >> Okay. Thank you. 1619 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,120 » Any thoughts about 1620 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:27,760 >> I'm sorry, go ahead. 1621 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,440 >> I might have missed uh 1622 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,680 you talking about what would what would 1623 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,680 be the benefit of adding Constitution. 1624 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,320 Did you originally take that out and 1625 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,440 then 1626 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,160 you 1627 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,400 brought it back in, but 1628 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,960 you're hypothetically saying it's going 1629 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,680 to be over budget by about 50,000. What 1630 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,880 would be the benefit of then doing it 1631 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,040 this year and 1632 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,520 going over budget to do it is 1633 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:51,720 >> Good question and I don't think you 1634 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,400 missed it and so let me be I'll try to explain a little bit better. So, 1635 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,360 um 1636 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,960 Constitution is one of like just like I 1637 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,240 was explaining to Mr. Bales, 1638 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,480 if you can keep your good streets good, 1639 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,040 that's that's really important. 1640 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,360 Constitution is one of those streets 1641 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,920 where you can still keep it good. If you 1642 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,360 would get a treatment on it soon, it 1643 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,320 hasn't shown a lot of base failure. It's 1644 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,600 got a decent cross-section. It's not 1645 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,920 rutting. It's not blanketing. It's not 1646 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,640 um getting polished, uh bleeding out. 1647 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,040 It's all of the things that we look for 1648 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,840 in pavement um failure. So, it has the characteristics of a street that 1649 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,960 could use a preservation to preserve it. 1650 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,000 And if you would not preserve it now, 1651 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,960 that's a pretty long street um that's 1652 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,720 going to cost a lot of money later down 1653 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,480 the road. Um 1654 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,080 10 times as much later down the road. Um 1655 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:38,840 so, 1656 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,960 >> just to interrupt real quick, um 1657 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,480 since we 1658 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,360 uh as the bids exist now, we're looking 1659 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,640 at a $14,000 surplus on the budget line 1660 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,360 item. So, if we add in the 40 1661 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,640 $7,000 item, then we're looking at a 1662 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,040 $33,000 overage. 1663 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,480 >> Yeah, and that's and that's exactly 1664 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,320 Thank you, Matt. Is that that's exactly 1665 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,880 why I was looking for what street could 1666 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,600 I cut and get it back within the budget. 1667 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,720 And that was the only really big one. 1668 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,000 All the rest of them are, you know, five 1669 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,720 or $10,000 1670 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:08,440 line items and they weren't getting me 1671 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,680 below your budget. That was the one that 1672 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,240 I had to chop to get below your budget 1673 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,560 and get that $14,000 balance. 1674 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,840 >> But you're saying we'll get the cost 1675 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,640 savings over time 1676 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,680 >> Oh, absolutely. Yes. 1677 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,440 >> by 1678 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,600 biting the bullet now and saving money 1679 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,880 in the future. 1680 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,800 >> In in a perfect world, if if I could 1681 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,640 give you a you know, and of course my 1682 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,320 engineering judgment has to include your 1683 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,720 budget. Has to 1684 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,280 I got to be the a steward of your of 1685 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,920 your finances. 1686 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:33,840 Um 1687 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,560 but I would say it's a good use of your 1688 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,160 money to preserve Constitution now. So, 1689 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,400 in a perfect world, if you could use if 1690 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,160 you could do that, too, that would be a good idea. 1691 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,760 >> And so, Charles, would we fund the 1692 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,520 overage through liquid fuels? And do we 1693 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,240 have I I think we have a pretty 1694 01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,640 substantial liquid fuels balance there, 1695 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,160 don't we? 1696 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,480 >> we could do it through liquid fuels. We 1697 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,560 could do it through capital projects or 1698 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,320 just absorb it into the general fund, as 1699 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:55,760 well. 1700 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,400 >> We have a pretty significant liquid 1701 01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,640 fuels balance, right? 1702 01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:59,720 >> Over 900. 1703 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,720 >> Yeah. 1704 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,160 So, 1705 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,080 um you know, $33,000 out of a $900,000 1706 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,840 fund to preserve a road that's going to 1707 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,120 cost us 10 times more if it fails in 10 1708 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,800 years. I mean, 1709 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,800 what do you guys want to do with that? 1710 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,800 >> Um I have maybe a silly question. Is it 1711 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,600 possible to split up the improvements 1712 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,200 and the preservation, or does that all 1713 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,560 have to be done at the same time? 1714 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,000 >> Yeah, they kind of go together. Yeah, because the the preservation 1715 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,160 itself, um that that Grip Tight fog seal 1716 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,360 and that chip seal, doesn't fix any of 1717 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,600 the base failure. And the base failures 1718 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,160 are kind of underneath. We cut those 1719 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,720 areas out, fix them first, and then we 1720 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,320 cover the whole street black. So, they 1721 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,800 kind of go together. 1722 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,360 >> My other question is if you were to do 1723 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,560 Constitution Avenue, would that be done 1724 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,360 over the summer? 1725 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,040 >> All of these things would be done over 1726 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,720 the summer, yeah. Yeah. And and 1727 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,160 >> With the exception of Steinway. 1728 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,480 >> Except for Steinway. Steinway would be 1729 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,240 as soon as possible, April April 1st at 1730 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,120 the soonest. Um all of the rest of the 1731 01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,600 things, so because there's two different 1732 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,520 contracts that we deal with, the first 1733 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,240 contractor if if he comes in to do 1734 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,160 Steinway in in the end of April, that 1735 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,560 same contractor might go through and do 1736 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,880 all of the base repairs and get that 1737 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,800 done in April or May, and then contract 1738 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,320 two with the street preservation, that 1739 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,640 contractor might come not come in until 1740 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,680 August or September. 1741 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,480 They don't like to do those 1742 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,560 preservations into October, but those 1743 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:20,920 could be as late as September. 1744 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,000 >> Right. Yeah, I guess with Constitution I 1745 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,560 was just like I walk on Constitution 1746 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,440 every single day. Like that's super busy 1747 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,840 for the college. Um 1748 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,440 so just thinking we could do it when the 1749 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,640 college is out of session. 1750 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,080 >> Absolutely. Yeah, and that is something 1751 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,440 that we work closely with with Jim 1752 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,520 Bisecker on any street work we do and 1753 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,120 make sure that we're coordinating with 1754 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,480 his events and try to try to avoid 1755 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,960 freshmen are moving back in and that 1756 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,360 kind of thing. So yeah, absolutely. 1757 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,200 >> Great. Thank you. 1758 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,240 >> I think um sorry. 1759 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,080 I think um 1760 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,280 that $14,000 might might might not 1761 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,600 actually be there when we get quotes 1762 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,320 back. We might be well over that. We 1763 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,720 might have to pull into the budget just 1764 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,720 to get that done. So I think it would be 1765 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,720 a good idea to bid that as a um ala 1766 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,480 carte so to speak. Like you you like you 1767 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,080 mentioned um so go with the your 1768 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,800 recommendations and see where that comes 1769 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,440 back and 1770 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,960 have an extra bid 1771 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,160 for Constitution if and if it falls 1772 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,760 within if the numbers work then I think 1773 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,960 that would be good. I agree with you. Uh 1774 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,440 we want to avoid um 1775 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,000 pushing the pushing the bill down the 1776 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,040 road. 1777 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,360 But 1778 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:27,920 when these bills when these bids come 1779 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,200 back it might that 14,000 might not be 1780 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,480 there. 1781 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,200 We'll see. 1782 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,200 >> Accurate. Yeah. 1783 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,040 >> Yeah. 1784 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,240 >> Do we do these street improvements, 1785 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,360 street preservation every year? 1786 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,520 >> No, we do them in the in this last SIP 1787 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,520 which was is it five or six years ago 1788 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:45,040 that we were 1789 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,480 >> Right. That Charles five 1790 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,880 >> Five years ago. We've had two two street 1791 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,560 preservation contracts in that five 1792 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,080 years. 1793 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,800 So you we usually have 1794 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,120 every other year we'll do a street 1795 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,280 preservation contract three years at the 1796 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,680 most. We like to do a preservation 1797 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,160 contract and then the off years we'll do 1798 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,720 some some complete street repave so next 1799 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,680 year we already have a couple of streets 1800 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:07,760 that we're going to be completely 1801 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,920 rebuilding. That's going to be East 1802 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,440 Lincoln Street associated with a storm 1803 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,480 water project. Um East Railroad Street 1804 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:14,720 we're going to be completely rebuilding. 1805 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,720 So, there's some full rebuild projects 1806 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:19,760 that are different than these 1807 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,360 preservations. 1808 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,240 And that's not an exact science that we said two two times within five 1809 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,800 years. It's that's a a roundabout what 1810 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:33,070 we'd like to try to do. 1811 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,040 » Okay. 1812 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,190 Um 1813 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,830 any other thoughts? 1814 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,120 Um I kind of like Mr. Mooney's approach 1815 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,600 there of um 1816 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,120 breaking out the bids 1817 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,480 as the add-on there. I think that might 1818 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,040 be the way to go. 1819 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,440 Anybody else? 1820 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,560 >> I agree with that. 1821 01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,200 >> All right. Cool. 1822 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,840 >> I'll move forward with uh bidding 1823 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,320 Constitution as an alternate. 1824 01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,920 >> Great and perfect. 1825 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,640 Uh now I I think you're also going to 1826 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,320 talk to us about the Charters of Freedom 1827 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:03,800 Plaza. 1828 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,280 >> Yeah, and I can be pretty quick with 1829 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,040 this one and um 1830 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,560 and for the for the council members that 1831 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,920 aren't aware of this, through our 1832 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,680 subdivision land development process and 1833 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,280 our ordinance, we have a requirement for 1834 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,080 a developer's agreement. Uh there's two 1835 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,280 different forms of developer's 1836 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,240 agreement. There's a small form and a 1837 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,960 large form. The large form includes a 1838 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,240 lot of financial security items for 1839 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,920 whenever there's like new streets or 1840 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,280 things be dedicated to the bureau. Um we 1841 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,880 require the the developer post a bond to 1842 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,520 secure those things. Then there's a 1843 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,000 smaller form. In this case, we'd be 1844 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,600 using this smaller form of the 1845 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,040 developer's agreement. Um but really 1846 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,800 what I'm the reason and and and this is 1847 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,160 a very very much a formality. Um the 1848 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,880 planning commission has approval 1849 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,120 authority in Gettysburg for subdivisions 1850 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,680 land developments. And they would 1851 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,200 approve a in this case a subdivision and 1852 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,000 then the developer's agreement would 1853 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,840 come to you guys. I wouldn't usually 1854 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,280 have this presentation to you like this. 1855 01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,160 It would just come to you and say, "Hey, 1856 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,880 look, they they approved the 1857 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,840 subdivision. Now we need the developer's 1858 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,520 agreement to 1859 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,000 um be approved by you guys." Only you 1860 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,120 guys can approve agreements. The 1861 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,400 planning commission can't do that. So, 1862 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,560 that still have to come to you guys. 1863 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,080 Just like an operation and maintenance 1864 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,720 stormwater management agreement. This 1865 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,360 These would also come to you guys. 1866 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,640 Uh the reason why I'm coming to you in 1867 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,960 this case is because there is a bit of a 1868 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,200 chicken and an egg thing. So, this is 1869 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,560 the subdivision plan and John has a copy 1870 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,640 of the big packet of subdivision plans 1871 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:25,640 that are all going to go to the planning 1872 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,720 commission in 2 weeks from now. 1873 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,400 Um that's way more detailed than this 1874 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,360 one. 1875 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,000 Um but just to give you an idea of what 1876 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,040 what's being proposed here is So, the 1877 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,040 Dawbin house is right here. The Charter 1878 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,880 of of Freedom Plaza is proposed right 1879 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,920 here. Well, this house right here 1880 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,840 currently sits in that location. The 1881 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,280 HARB has approved it to be relocated to 1882 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,160 this location. Currently, there is a old 1883 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,280 block garage that sits in that location. 1884 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,880 That's also been approved for for 1885 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,440 demolition. This is the old red um barn 1886 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,360 that sits in the back. So, this house is 1887 01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,760 going to get moved to this location. And 1888 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,000 then this house is going to stay. Um and 1889 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,720 it's going to get turned just slightly 1890 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,680 so that it kind of marries up with 1891 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,680 Washington Street, but it also faces the 1892 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,520 charters. Um that's the best way it 1893 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,160 could fit in there. 1894 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,080 As you can see by its configuration, 1895 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,920 there's a lot line that exists currently 1896 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,359 down the middle. This new building will 1897 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,240 sit right on top of that lot line. So, 1898 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,279 you can't really 1899 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,200 build or move that house until that lot 1900 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,400 line's fixed. But you also can't create 1901 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,560 this line 1902 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,880 until that's this process is done 1903 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,920 because now you have create a garage on 1904 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,880 the back of that lot that lot and that's 1905 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,400 a not a 1906 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,680 it's not a primary it's not able to be a primary use a garage by 1907 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:39,799 itself. 1908 01:08:39,799 --> 01:08:41,120 So, there's this chicken and an egg 1909 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,319 dilemma 1910 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,640 um on how to get past this. And after 1911 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,359 meeting with John and talking about the 1912 01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:47,799 best way to approach this, we said, 1913 01:08:47,799 --> 01:08:48,880 "Well, we got to do this developer's 1914 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,400 agreement anyways. Why don't we just say 1915 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,560 in there that that the borough will 1916 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,880 allow this development to move forward 1917 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,960 and Jackie White, the pro project owner 1918 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,319 here, will agree to finalize the 1919 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,720 subdivision process. So, she will 1920 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,080 eliminate essentially this line. Don't 1921 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,400 let that She won't let that line there. 1922 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,040 She'll actually She's got to sell that 1923 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,960 property to herself essentially for a 1924 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,160 dollar or whatever, so that that line is 1925 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,680 eliminated, right? So, that's how this 1926 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,279 is going to have to happen. It would be 1927 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,560 awfully So, in today's world, it's 1928 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:18,759 actually kind of really cool that you 1929 01:09:18,759 --> 01:09:20,759 can move a house, but as you can 1930 01:09:20,759 --> 01:09:22,520 imagine, you wouldn't be able to just 1931 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,440 hover that house in air while you're 1932 01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:26,480 going through this month or two process 1933 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,920 of the subdivision. So, rather than 1934 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,000 hovering a house in the air while you're 1935 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,720 going through all this stuff, you would 1936 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,480 do a developer's agreement that would 1937 01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:35,359 say that both parties agree that borough 1938 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,640 would agree to approve the process of 1939 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,480 moving the house. 1940 01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:42,040 Ms. White would approve or agree to 1941 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,400 finalizing the subdivision process, and 1942 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:46,680 that would allow her to go ahead and 1943 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,359 proceed with the project. So, 1944 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,279 that is essentially why this developer's 1945 01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:52,560 going to come This development 1946 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,080 agreement's going to be on your agenda 1947 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,160 prior to the subdivision being approved 1948 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,160 by the planning commission. That's why 1949 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,320 there's this chicken and egg thing. 1950 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,880 Although they go together. Does that 1951 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,520 make sense? 1952 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,200 Clear as mud. 1953 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,640 >> No. [laughter] No. 1954 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,280 >> I apologize if I confused you cuz 1955 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,318 sometimes I confuse myself with this. 1956 01:10:14,318 --> 01:10:15,800 >> [laughter] 1957 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,990 >> All right. Any questions about that? 1958 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,160 All right. Thank you, sir. 1959 01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:28,870 >> Sure. 1960 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,710 » Cats. 1961 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,160 » Good evening. I was told to keep this 1962 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,520 very quick, and I think we can. 1963 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,680 Um overall, we've received some concern 1964 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,040 from our spay neuter partners, Forever 1965 01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,520 Love Rescue, 1966 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,920 uh regarding enforcement of our current 1967 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,960 cat regulations as they appear in 1968 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,400 chapter two, animals. 1969 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,040 In particular, 1970 01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,760 the owner of a cat is defined as someone 1971 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,520 that feeds a cat. That presents a 1972 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,320 problem as individuals who engage with 1973 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,280 the services of Forever Love Rescue are 1974 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,520 bringing them stray animals to be spayed 1975 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,840 or neutered, which 1976 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,640 research indicates does decrease the 1977 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,160 population of feral cat colonies. So, 1978 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,880 it's a positive. 1979 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,560 By ending that program, that would be a 1980 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,240 net negative for the borough. We'd have 1981 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,840 increased feral cat populations. Um 1982 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,760 staff has proposed uh that either we, 1983 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,400 the borough, 1984 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,680 just directly update the ordinance with 1985 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,880 basic language that we provided whereby 1986 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,240 instead of saying any person owning, 1987 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,000 keeping, feeding, uh harboring, or 1988 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,640 having custody of a cat, any person who 1989 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,760 allows a cat to reside or remain about 1990 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,320 his or her premises shall be considered 1991 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,600 a cat owner, 1992 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,400 uh getting rid of most of that language 1993 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,720 to just have it state any person owning, 1994 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,840 keeping, providing permanent shelter and 1995 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,680 habitat, harboring, or having custody of 1996 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,880 a cat is a cat owner. Um that should 1997 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,560 alleviate the initial concerns, but 1998 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,520 additionally, if it's council's wish, it 1999 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,360 would be probably beneficial to actually 2000 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,320 have a meeting with Forever Love Rescue 2001 01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,120 and to discuss their concerns and 2002 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,000 formulate a more proactive ordinance to 2003 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,720 facilitate their efforts and efforts to 2004 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,680 control feral cats. 2005 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,990 So, that that's what we have from staff. 2006 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,200 » Okay. 2007 01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:30,550 Um any thoughts on that? 2008 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,440 » I do, but I'm just I'm laughing about it 2009 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:33,920 only because it's 2010 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,640 um 2011 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,000 I never knew it was in there and um I 2012 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,960 just think about all the good deeds that 2013 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,120 people do and feeding cats and just 2014 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,680 making sure they're well-kept and and 2015 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,920 just out of the goodness of their heart 2016 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,480 and I don't think they should be 2017 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,200 considered the owners of the cats. I 2018 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,320 mean 2019 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,080 >> So, 2020 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,640 >> of like old, but I'm trying to 2021 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,560 understand it. 2022 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,960 >> We heard arguments to the to the exact 2023 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,040 opposite a few years ago when we started 2024 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,680 the trap, neuter, release program. Um 2025 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,920 there were, I believe, four key areas of 2026 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,520 the borough that had large colonies. Our 2027 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,440 neighborhood has several colonies. 2028 01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:11,800 And there are good-natured folks who 2029 01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,200 will do things like put out 2030 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,320 a ton of wet cat food for these feral 2031 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,880 cats. And 2032 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,280 um not only do the cats enjoy the cat 2033 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,440 food, but so do populations of skunks, 2034 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,720 so do um rabbits, so you know, all sorts 2035 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:26,720 of stuff. 2036 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,480 Um 2037 01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,640 So there there are um multiple 2038 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,480 overlapping public health issues. Uh cat 2039 01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:36,000 feces in your garden is bad for you. You 2040 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,280 shouldn't eat any plants if they've been 2041 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:38,840 um 2042 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,800 fertilized by cat. 2043 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,000 Um there's lots of reasons to control 2044 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,760 those populations. 2045 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:45,880 Um 2046 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,560 when they at the at the very least when 2047 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,400 they become overpopulated, they tend to 2048 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:51,960 starve. 2049 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,360 So um 2050 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,480 we did partner to create the trap, 2051 01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,200 neuter, release program. It is a 2052 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,680 minor expense. I think the first year we budgeted $2,500 and it's dropped 2053 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,120 every year since. 2054 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,280 But we're still having good success in 2055 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,640 controlling those populations. 2056 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,360 Um 2057 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,000 so if you are a person who is 2058 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,520 encouraging the breeding of feral cats 2059 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,720 in your neighborhood, um 2060 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,000 there is a level of responsibility that 2061 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,280 you know, you will 2062 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:23,200 um 2063 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,200 need to take on and just having a good 2064 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,800 heart and wanting to feed them is not 2065 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,116 necessarily the end of the conversation. 2066 01:14:29,116 --> 01:14:30,400 [laughter] 2067 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,520 >> I [snorts] wasn't making it the end of 2068 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,480 the conversation. I was just pointing 2069 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:35,320 out that sometimes people don't know 2070 01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,120 that their good deeds are leading to 2071 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,560 other issues and complications and 2072 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,720 totally respect what Forever Loved does. 2073 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,280 They've been 2074 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:42,920 >> Yeah. 2075 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,960 >> doing that for a long, long time and 2076 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,200 >> Yeah, and it's been a it's been a 2077 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,111 success for us. 2078 01:14:48,111 --> 01:14:48,200 >> [clears throat] 2079 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,640 >> Um 2080 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,200 All right, does anybody have opposition 2081 01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,840 to begin a conversation with them to 2082 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,960 make sure that we're crafting the 2083 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,520 language in a 2084 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,880 way that's um 2085 01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,680 as mutually beneficial as possible. 2086 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:01,600 >> All right. 2087 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,600 >> So, let's get going on that. 2088 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,040 >> But clarification, as a cat owner, do I 2089 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,960 have to keep feeding my cat until we 2090 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,726 decide on this or can I stop feeding 2091 01:15:09,726 --> 01:15:12,760 [laughter] my cat? 2092 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:13,920 >> I'm not going to tell you how to live 2093 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,440 your life, so. 2094 01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,680 Uh Mr. Gable, juror parking. 2095 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,960 >> Uh yes, juror parking. Um there is a 2096 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,400 draft 2097 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,360 uh memorandum of understanding or 2098 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,320 agreement uh between the uh the the 2099 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,960 bureau and the county 2100 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,960 uh in your packet for your review. 2101 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,000 It's uh 2102 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,080 just some minor tweaks from what we have 2103 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,400 existing uh previously for uh those uh 2104 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,120 new on council 2105 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,160 uh the bureau partners with uh the court 2106 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,120 system here in Adams County to provide 2107 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,080 for the parking of citizens called to 2108 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:53,560 jury duty. 2109 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,320 Uh whenever court is in session, 2110 01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,880 uh those potential jurors uh park in the 2111 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,680 Resource Alley garage uh at designated 2112 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,200 spaces 2113 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,400 um and then a nominal fee is charged to 2114 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,560 the county for those parking privileges. 2115 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,760 Uh so, all of that is articulated in the 2116 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,880 renewal of this MOU. Um 2117 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,560 it's it's been successful from the 2118 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,080 bureau's perspective. Uh the court 2119 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,600 communicates with uh the folks in the 2120 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,560 parking department for when court is 2121 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,000 going to be in session. We uh then uh 2122 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,640 promptly reserve those spaces uh at the 2123 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,280 top of the garage. 2124 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,120 Uh the jurors come in, 2125 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,560 uh do their civic duty, and leave. 2126 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,800 Um 2127 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,960 this happens about once a month. 2128 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,920 It's not onerous. Obviously, it's 2129 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,840 usually during the week, so it's not an 2130 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,720 issue of you know, taking up spaces, 2131 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,920 storing large events, or other things 2132 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,960 happening in town. 2133 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,080 Uh so, the MOU is terminating, so we 2134 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,520 should renew it. 2135 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,190 >> All right. Any questions on that? 2136 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,040 Any opposition to continuing our 2137 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,320 long-standing practice of helping people 2138 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,920 engage in their civic duty? 2139 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:06,400 All right. 2140 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:06,920 >> That's good. 2141 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,720 >> We'll be good to go. 2142 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,720 >> Thank you. 2143 01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,080 >> All right. That concludes our new 2144 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,560 business. We don't have any current or 2145 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,440 old business, so that takes us back to 2146 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:14,960 our second public comment section of the 2147 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,680 evening. This section is not restricted 2148 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,880 to items appearing on tonight's agenda. 2149 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,080 We do ask that you use the podium. 2150 01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,480 Please state your name and address, and 2151 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:24,000 limit yourself to 5 minutes. Is there 2152 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,430 any public comment? 2153 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,350 » Good evening, again. 2154 01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,920 Thank you for the opportunity to speak, 2155 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:39,430 Mr. Wilson. 2156 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,040 Thank you. 2157 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,080 I appreciate the comments 2158 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,200 offered earlier this evening. I want to 2159 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,600 clarify a key point for the record. 2160 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,560 The historic architectural review board 2161 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,520 recommendation to create a new district 2162 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,080 does not halt, nor does it prohibit the 2163 01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,200 development, nor does it automatically 2164 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,320 prevent the demolition of any structure 2165 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,640 within the borough. 2166 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,080 The historic district establishes a 2167 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,320 review process for the exterior, so that 2168 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,520 decisions are made deliberately and 2169 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,760 transparently. 2170 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,280 Importantly, no application related to 2171 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,360 the library project or the seminary 2172 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,320 dormitories is before HARB 2173 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,160 at this time, and any future proposal 2174 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,120 would be reviewed on its own merit 2175 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,360 without with full opportunity for public 2176 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:27,880 input, 2177 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,600 deliberation 2178 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,800 of the project's public benefit. 2179 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,640 The intent of the recommendation is to 2180 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,320 ensure one of the borough's most 2181 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,520 important, significant, historic 2182 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,840 gateways is thoughtfully managed over 2183 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,640 time consistent with the approach 2184 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,480 Council has already taken elsewhere. It 2185 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,920 is not intended to preclude civic 2186 01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,760 investment or institutional growth. 2187 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,520 If Council were to consider funding a 2188 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,440 study as part of the Chapter 11 update, 2189 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:59,080 that effort could align with the borough 2190 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,680 with other certain state and federal 2191 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,560 grant opportunities 2192 01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,120 related to planning, preservation, and 2193 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,000 community development. 2194 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,600 Ultimately, the recommendation simply 2195 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,880 provides Council with an option for 2196 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,840 future consideration. It does not impose 2197 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,640 any outcome on any specific projects. 2198 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,480 Thank you and good evening. 2199 01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,790 >> Thank you, sir. 2200 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,560 I don't see any other people from the 2201 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,400 public here, so I think I can safely say 2202 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,200 we can adjourn to executive session. 2203 01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,800 Thank you.